1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,240 This will be for September the 14th. This meeting was duly 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,919 posted and we do have a quorum present and 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,619 It is two minutes after four and I'm going to call our 4 00:00:08,619 --> 00:00:10,259 meeting to order at this time 5 00:00:11,359 --> 00:00:14,130 It's not on our agenda, but I want to introduce we have two 6 00:00:14,130 --> 00:00:15,039 new members 7 00:00:15,919 --> 00:00:18,039 Margie Ellis and Steve Solomon and 8 00:00:18,679 --> 00:00:21,500 Give you guys just a second to introduce yourselves to the 9 00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:23,879 rest of the commission members and tell us something about 10 00:00:23,879 --> 00:00:25,359 it about yourself Steve 11 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:27,359 How about you first? 12 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:31,679 My wife and I went to North Texas graduated in 72 came back 13 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:34,020 about nine years ago and 14 00:00:35,439 --> 00:00:37,079 Here we are 15 00:00:37,079 --> 00:00:39,079 Great welcome aboard 16 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,560 Margie 17 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,600 Here in Denton since 18 00:00:43,719 --> 00:00:47,039 1997 when I married a Texan grew up in Michigan prior to 19 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:49,520 that. I'm a realtor with Keller Williams Realty 20 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,200 And my husband and I are raising two 21 00:00:52,679 --> 00:00:54,679 daughters 17 and 15 22 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,560 Happy to be here. Great. Thank you. Okay 23 00:01:01,079 --> 00:01:05,109 Since our vice chair is no longer on our commission our 24 00:01:05,109 --> 00:01:08,280 next meeting we will be looking to do 25 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,719 nominations for a vice chair election at that time 26 00:01:13,599 --> 00:01:15,599 You know back to our regular agenda 27 00:01:16,239 --> 00:01:19,510 I'm going to turn that over to Manal for a clarification of 28 00:01:19,510 --> 00:01:20,480 agenda items 29 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,400 Thank You chairperson strange 30 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:26,269 Any concerns or questions regarding the minutes from last 31 00:01:26,269 --> 00:01:29,280 meeting we can address this at this forum 32 00:01:31,079 --> 00:01:34,170 The only point of order I'll have on that is I was absent 33 00:01:34,170 --> 00:01:35,200 for the August 10th 34 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,959 So I'm gonna do two separate or ask for two separate 35 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,260 motions since I'm going to be abstaining from one of those 36 00:01:41,260 --> 00:01:41,799 votes 37 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,319 Let me have to remove that and put it on and another agenda 38 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,900 since Andrew's not here and we have to didn't have to rec 39 00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:50,280 use themselves 40 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:53,920 From the vote because they weren't here that only leaves us 41 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,920 three requires a four majority vote. So 42 00:01:57,359 --> 00:02:00,450 24th since I was here, we'll take that separately and on 43 00:02:00,450 --> 00:02:00,840 the 10th 44 00:02:02,079 --> 00:02:04,079 We'll continue this one in 45 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,639 Okay 46 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,080 Great 47 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:18,930 In the interest of our new members, we'll actually go ahead 48 00:02:18,930 --> 00:02:20,919 and make presentations on our plots tonight 49 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,020 We'll start with the Julie Wyatt's plant for a preliminary 50 00:02:24,020 --> 00:02:27,199 plot of the rancher vista edition Julie if you would please 51 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,419 Good evening, I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the city 52 00:02:36,419 --> 00:02:37,960 of Denton 53 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:39,639 this 54 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,150 Preliminary plot is for a commercial development that 55 00:02:42,150 --> 00:02:43,039 includes six lots 56 00:02:43,759 --> 00:02:47,550 That have private access easements in order to gain access 57 00:02:47,550 --> 00:02:48,919 to all of the lots 58 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,150 It's on Emory Drive and I'll answer any questions you have 59 00:02:53,150 --> 00:02:54,039 regarding the plot 60 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,449 Commissioner bet. Thank you chair. Do we know is this gonna 61 00:03:03,449 --> 00:03:05,000 be commercial property? 62 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,800 You do it is okay in the CMG zoning just right right, but 63 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,300 it's right across the street from single family 64 00:03:18,300 --> 00:03:21,219 Commissioner Taylor since this is gonna be kind of a 65 00:03:21,219 --> 00:03:21,840 learning meeting 66 00:03:22,259 --> 00:03:25,629 Could you explain why we are seeing this plat on our 67 00:03:25,629 --> 00:03:29,979 consent agenda and another plat on our public hearing or is 68 00:03:29,979 --> 00:03:30,360 that gonna be? 69 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,120 We were going to touch on it, but we can do it now 70 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,830 I think this would be a good learning experience. 71 00:03:35,830 --> 00:03:37,889 Absolutely right. Commissioner Taylor. This is a 72 00:03:37,889 --> 00:03:38,919 preliminary plot 73 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:42,469 So typically preliminary plots and final plots. Those would 74 00:03:42,469 --> 00:03:45,590 be consent agenda items. You do have another plot on your 75 00:03:45,590 --> 00:03:46,560 agenda tonight 76 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,599 I believe it's for a replat my correct on that replats do 77 00:03:50,599 --> 00:03:54,159 require per the Texas local government code public hearing 78 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:54,479 so 79 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,680 Sometimes you'll see plots in in consent agenda. That's 80 00:03:58,680 --> 00:03:59,400 typically where they are 81 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,830 but if it's a replat which is taking previously plotted 82 00:04:02,830 --> 00:04:03,740 property and 83 00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:08,000 reconfiguring the boundaries or the number of lots within 84 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:08,199 it 85 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:10,879 That would go as a public hearing 86 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,319 Continue what under what conditions can we deny a plat? 87 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,670 If they meet the technical requirements of the debt and 88 00:04:21,670 --> 00:04:25,949 development code, it's a plat would need to be approved. It 89 00:04:25,949 --> 00:04:26,240 's not 90 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,600 Discretionary or it's considered ministerial for the 91 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:30,959 government body 92 00:04:30,959 --> 00:04:34,329 So whenever it meets the technical requirements, we have no 93 00:04:34,329 --> 00:04:35,480 discretion to deny it 94 00:04:35,519 --> 00:04:37,980 So that's why we typically put it on the consent agenda so 95 00:04:37,980 --> 00:04:40,079 long as it meets the requirements 96 00:04:40,879 --> 00:04:43,720 So the plan actually goes through a thorough evaluation and 97 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,379 analysis from a development review committee comprised of 98 00:04:47,379 --> 00:04:47,839 subject 99 00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:52,319 Matter experts subject discipline experts. You have your 100 00:04:52,319 --> 00:04:53,120 engineering team 101 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,689 You have utilities team you have planning and you have to 102 00:04:55,689 --> 00:04:58,089 make sure all the relevant code requirements actually 103 00:04:58,089 --> 00:04:59,360 address the 104 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,040 subdivision of or parceling out of 105 00:05:02,079 --> 00:05:05,240 Property if those requirements are addressed it becomes an 106 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,889 administrative function for the planning and zoning 107 00:05:06,889 --> 00:05:08,120 Commission to approve those 108 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,110 Typically, you will not see a plan if it doesn't meet those 109 00:05:11,110 --> 00:05:11,639 requirements 110 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:18,360 Super thank you. Thank you, Julie 111 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,160 Julie you may want to stay back you're next 112 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:24,439 We have a final plot for the meta oak subdivision and Judy 113 00:05:24,439 --> 00:05:26,740 Why don't you walk through what's changed in terms of what 114 00:05:26,740 --> 00:05:29,279 's provided to the Commission certainly and this is the old 115 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:30,279 version up here 116 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,100 So it'll it'll give you a clue as to what changed and there 117 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:37,120 was actually a note that that it has changed 118 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,740 It was note number six on from what was in your backup all 119 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:44,040 of this language has now turned into what you see in front 120 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:44,279 of you 121 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,410 And it has to do with a development agreement that was 122 00:05:47,410 --> 00:05:50,769 approved by City Council last night regarding detention 123 00:05:50,769 --> 00:05:51,600 facilities 124 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,569 It's the actual plat is for 43 residential lots and then 125 00:05:56,569 --> 00:06:00,000 one lot to be dedicated to the city of Denton 126 00:06:07,319 --> 00:06:09,319 I 127 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:21,959 Looking for the note 128 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,560 Julie I think there's some 129 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:29,720 Conversation we walk through what wording was changed. It 130 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:29,720 was note number six. Okay, what was it before and what is 131 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:36,680 it now? 132 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,279 Here it is the before 133 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:47,069 So that's gone and now that's gone we now have something to 134 00:06:47,069 --> 00:06:48,800 understand 135 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,600 okay, and this it has to do with the detention of 136 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,800 Water runoff on the site versus now 137 00:06:55,319 --> 00:06:57,240 The detention is going to be addressed to do the 138 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,379 development agreement that was approved by City Council 139 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,069 Okay, so that's not actually shown on the planet says it's 140 00:07:05,069 --> 00:07:06,600 now in an off-site 141 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,600 Temporary area correct. It's it's in this area right here 142 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,980 That off-site detention will be in this area right here now 143 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:26,680 Okay, so it's not gonna be an HOA kind of a deal no, sir 144 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:34,079 Any questions on this final plan 145 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,949 Do you want to help walk through what the difference 146 00:07:38,949 --> 00:07:43,290 between maybe a preliminary plot is and a final plot at 147 00:07:43,290 --> 00:07:43,680 this time 148 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,310 Are we gonna do that later and we're just kind of getting a 149 00:07:46,310 --> 00:07:49,839 Shandrian's gonna be doing we're getting 101 great 150 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:54,790 We'll ask for some patience and new membership we're gonna 151 00:07:54,790 --> 00:07:57,120 get to all that here in a minute, okay 152 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:01,970 Thank you chair, we also have a final plot for Country Club 153 00:08:01,970 --> 00:08:05,560 Village Mike Bell will present this item 154 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:11,759 Thank you, all Mike Bell senior planner 155 00:08:12,839 --> 00:08:15,300 This is a fairly simple plaid. It's just for five single- 156 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:15,800 family 157 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,449 Lots on an existing street in the Country Club Village kind 158 00:08:19,449 --> 00:08:21,839 of a south part of town off of 377 159 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:25,639 And so they're preparing the site for development with 160 00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:29,279 single-family homes, and that's why you have the plan 161 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:31,560 before you tonight so that they 162 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,330 Record the meets and bounds of each specific lot on that 163 00:08:35,330 --> 00:08:35,639 plan 164 00:08:36,639 --> 00:08:37,879 on that property 165 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:40,509 Correct there was a preliminary plot that had about 20 lots 166 00:08:40,509 --> 00:08:43,480 and then only coming into plot about five at this time 167 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,929 So you probably see some later for the same property for 168 00:08:45,929 --> 00:08:46,639 the extra lots 169 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,600 Thank you Mike 170 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,519 Our next item is for an alternative development plan 171 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:00,889 This is an item for individual consideration on your 172 00:09:00,889 --> 00:09:03,990 regular meeting and Mike Bell is going to present this to 173 00:09:03,990 --> 00:09:04,159 us 174 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:06,159 And he'll walk us through the request 175 00:09:06,799 --> 00:09:08,799 Thank you, Mike 176 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,600 Again so the purpose of this item will be for y'all to 177 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,730 consider an approval of an alternative development plan 178 00:09:14,730 --> 00:09:16,759 with the construction of an office 179 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:18,759 development on Dutchess Drive 180 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:21,639 Since we have some new folks here an ADP 181 00:09:21,879 --> 00:09:24,690 It's basically a request to deviate from the site design 182 00:09:24,690 --> 00:09:26,639 standards in the development code 183 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,889 The use is already permitted the zoning allows it the 184 00:09:28,889 --> 00:09:31,370 property has already been platted the infrastructure is 185 00:09:31,370 --> 00:09:32,440 there. It's simply 186 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,600 design issues so the layout materials parking lot location 187 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:39,460 Landscaping and screening materials and you'll see in this 188 00:09:39,460 --> 00:09:42,100 presentation which items we're talking about for this 189 00:09:42,100 --> 00:09:43,000 particular case 190 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,799 The subject property is located on Dutchess Drive 191 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,320 It's property shown here in yellow 192 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,419 It's an undeveloped property loop 288 here to the east and 193 00:09:55,419 --> 00:09:57,759 McKinney Street is the street here to the north and 194 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:01,000 It's zone CMG which does permit office developments 195 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,080 This is the site the proposed site plan of the property you 196 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,840 see there are two buildings one located here one here 197 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,440 There's a focus on a central circular parking lot here 198 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:18,600 an additional parking space in the back 199 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,679 access from Dutchess behind the building 200 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,750 The applicant is requesting two deviations from the 201 00:10:24,750 --> 00:10:25,440 development code 202 00:10:25,919 --> 00:10:28,269 The first is that our code requires that parking be located 203 00:10:28,269 --> 00:10:30,399 to the sides or to the rear of the building 204 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:33,120 They're proposing this parking lot to be 205 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,840 in front of the buildings 206 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,480 purpose of this tonight to mitigate 207 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,610 The purpose of this really is that they've got a curvil in 208 00:10:41,610 --> 00:10:42,200 your side 209 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,200 It's kind of difficult to meet that requirement anyway 210 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,649 So they are meeting the intent of the development code and 211 00:10:46,649 --> 00:10:49,000 they're going to provide screening to make sure that 212 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,879 landscape screening to make sure those parking 213 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,559 Lots are those parking spaces are invisible from the street 214 00:10:55,799 --> 00:10:57,799 the second request is that 215 00:10:59,159 --> 00:11:02,080 The code requires that any we have a parking requirement 216 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,330 and if you meet that requirement any spaces over that 217 00:11:04,330 --> 00:11:06,639 requirement have to be permeable paving 218 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:09,940 In other words, they can't be concrete or asphalt. They've 219 00:11:09,940 --> 00:11:12,110 got to be a special material that allows water to percolate 220 00:11:12,110 --> 00:11:12,519 through 221 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,399 They can do if they if they chose to do permeable paving 222 00:11:17,399 --> 00:11:19,320 they wouldn't need to be here tonight that can be approved 223 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:19,720 by staff 224 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,120 However, they want to construct those of concrete 225 00:11:23,039 --> 00:11:26,399 Per the code they required for office one space for 450 226 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:29,240 square feet which would require the 57 spaces 227 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,519 They're proposing to do 101 spaces 228 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,840 Commissioner back. Thank you chair. Yeah, can you elaborate 229 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:37,159 on why? 230 00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:42,009 101 spaces or is that something I should probably ask at 231 00:11:42,009 --> 00:11:43,440 the public hearing I 232 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,679 Think they be question directed toward the applicant why 233 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,279 they came up with one-on-one. Okay, but it was I think 234 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:53,799 But to mitigate that request they're going to provide some 235 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:57,730 storm water management and the parking lot islands in this 236 00:11:57,730 --> 00:11:58,960 location here and 237 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,200 Here what that'll do is treat some of that additional run 238 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,240 off from those extra parking spaces 239 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,980 And it'll filter that water naturally before it goes into 240 00:12:06,980 --> 00:12:07,440 our pipe 241 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,830 System and we do have Deborah Vera with environmental 242 00:12:09,830 --> 00:12:12,169 services who can expand upon that if you need any more 243 00:12:12,169 --> 00:12:12,919 information 244 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,720 This is not just a question 245 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,559 If you go back a slide I send them 246 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,039 Basically the parking spaces and parking area in blue are 247 00:12:25,039 --> 00:12:28,759 the additional spaces and that's why the 248 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,899 Drainage areas or treatment areas are in yellow around 249 00:12:31,899 --> 00:12:35,360 those not exactly those are these are the okay 250 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,240 Yes, these spaces here are the ones draining towards the 251 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:39,720 parking lot island. Okay 252 00:12:40,759 --> 00:12:43,159 Yeah, forgive me. I'm colorblind so I can't see it exactly 253 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:43,659 very well 254 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,720 But the intent being that these spaces would be going into 255 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,679 this one and these spaces into this and those are the extra 256 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:50,080 spaces 257 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:53,690 I'm not entirely but the math comes out that roughly the 258 00:12:53,690 --> 00:12:55,559 square footage would okay 259 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,440 Would be accounted for in that drink. Thank you 260 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,230 These are not part of the requests I just want to show you 261 00:13:04,230 --> 00:13:06,080 for information they do have a building permit in 262 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,009 This is the elevations of the building being all brick 263 00:13:09,009 --> 00:13:09,600 building 264 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,149 They're only proposing to do the one on the north side 265 00:13:12,149 --> 00:13:14,200 first just helps put in context what's going on 266 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,200 But this is not at all part of your request 267 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,470 Little difficult to see but this is the proposed landscape 268 00:13:22,470 --> 00:13:23,039 plan 269 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,480 They will have a type C buffer 270 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,240 Which is 15 foot landscape strip with six trees and 25 shr 271 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,559 ubs every hundred feet 272 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,049 That will be to buffer to the apartment complex to the 273 00:13:35,049 --> 00:13:35,299 north 274 00:13:36,279 --> 00:13:39,399 Additionally, they'll provide street trees along Dutchess 275 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:41,899 as well as screening of the parking spaces in these 276 00:13:41,899 --> 00:13:42,480 locations 277 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,200 And they do plan to develop the side in two phases 278 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:52,799 So the leave yellow is the first phase of the permanent is 279 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:54,200 that we have the permit in now 280 00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:57,389 Under review and they'll come back later and do the front 281 00:13:57,389 --> 00:14:00,529 parking area as well as the second building and these 282 00:14:00,529 --> 00:14:02,259 spaces behind the second building 283 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:07,820 And the didn't development code does outlined our tier for 284 00:14:07,820 --> 00:14:12,120 approval of an alternative development plan 285 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,990 There are five to preserve existing neighborhoods to assure 286 00:14:14,990 --> 00:14:17,779 quality development that fits in with the character of Dent 287 00:14:17,779 --> 00:14:18,000 on 288 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,850 To focus new development towards activity centers to curb 289 00:14:20,850 --> 00:14:22,679 strip development and urban sprawl 290 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,139 To ensure that adequate infrastructure is capable of 291 00:14:25,139 --> 00:14:27,750 accommodating the development prior to the development 292 00:14:27,750 --> 00:14:30,370 occurring and to ensure that the developers alternative 293 00:14:30,370 --> 00:14:30,879 proposal 294 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:33,470 Results in an overall high quality development meeting the 295 00:14:33,470 --> 00:14:34,799 intent of our design standards 296 00:14:34,799 --> 00:14:37,429 I did outline these in more detail in your backup 297 00:14:37,429 --> 00:14:40,379 explaining how staff came up to its recommendation 298 00:14:40,759 --> 00:14:42,759 I'd be happy to go into more detail Matt if you'd like 299 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,590 Based on the criteria for approval and the discussions we 300 00:14:47,590 --> 00:14:49,799 talked about today staff will be recommending approval 301 00:14:49,799 --> 00:14:51,639 subject to three conditions 302 00:14:52,279 --> 00:14:54,590 One that the proposed development comply with the site plan 303 00:14:54,590 --> 00:14:56,799 landscape and phasing plan that they proposed 304 00:14:57,759 --> 00:15:00,389 to that the primary building material for all all facades 305 00:15:00,389 --> 00:15:03,320 shall be brick or masonry so what they're proposing and 306 00:15:04,039 --> 00:15:06,590 Third that the proposed building shall be constructed with 307 00:15:06,590 --> 00:15:09,179 the same or similar architectural design and materials to 308 00:15:09,179 --> 00:15:09,960 promote an office 309 00:15:10,559 --> 00:15:13,019 Campus aesthetic and character the reason for this is they 310 00:15:13,019 --> 00:15:14,620 come back with a second phase in the future 311 00:15:14,620 --> 00:15:16,830 We want to make sure that they're meeting their aesthetic 312 00:15:16,830 --> 00:15:19,000 character that they talked about in their narrative 313 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:23,139 And with that I concludes my presentations I'd be happy to 314 00:15:23,139 --> 00:15:24,879 answer any questions but 315 00:15:25,759 --> 00:15:27,759 Commissioner Espin 316 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:30,159 Do we know the 317 00:15:30,919 --> 00:15:32,919 Maybe misspeaking but the 318 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:36,299 Development next to it did they 319 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,480 Do they have a permanent permeable? 320 00:15:40,279 --> 00:15:42,279 pavement or do they have 321 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,840 Which development are you speaking of so to the? 322 00:15:47,399 --> 00:15:49,399 Never east right 323 00:15:51,799 --> 00:15:55,080 All right here apartment complex, I'm not sure whether they 324 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,679 met their requirement or not 325 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:58,820 I'm sure that if they didn't they would have had to come 326 00:15:58,820 --> 00:15:59,419 through PNC 327 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:07,080 Know that before we because that that's relevant to me. I 328 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,360 mean it's if 329 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,600 Their neighbors aren't at the same standard then you know 330 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,679 Right with me versus if the neighbors had to put in perme 331 00:16:21,679 --> 00:16:21,879 able 332 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:26,659 So one it would depend on when this property was 333 00:16:26,659 --> 00:16:29,139 constructed and we can research that but we have to look at 334 00:16:29,139 --> 00:16:30,120 our building permits to 335 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,480 ascertain when it was 336 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,110 Constructed and whether or not an alternative development 337 00:16:34,110 --> 00:16:36,809 plan as it relates to parking was issued or not. This is 338 00:16:36,809 --> 00:16:38,240 something we'd have to research 339 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,809 Ideally if you want the answer to that then part it would 340 00:16:44,809 --> 00:16:46,610 wouldn't be able to provide that tonight prior to the 341 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:46,960 meeting 342 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,860 And it's also in army 12. So my guess is it had to have a 343 00:16:50,860 --> 00:16:52,519 specific use permit, right? 344 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:55,080 I went through planning and zoning and City Council anyway 345 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,320 So that was probably looked at as part of their SUP 346 00:16:59,559 --> 00:17:01,559 We have to do that research 347 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:08,710 Follow-up question if you go back a couple slides to where 348 00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:12,660 you're showing the parking lot in two phases or that's good 349 00:17:12,660 --> 00:17:13,599 enough there 350 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,029 In the backup it talks about this office part being part of 351 00:17:18,029 --> 00:17:20,960 a larger office park of like 34 acres 352 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,190 Can you show us where the office park is relative to this 353 00:17:24,190 --> 00:17:25,400 site? Sure 354 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:28,470 So we've met with the applicant for this property and they 355 00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:30,799 also own the property to the south down here 356 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,200 Okay, and their vision is to do an office 357 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,200 kind of campus 358 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,440 Down here that they want to do they talked about doing it 359 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,160 Don't have an ADP for that as well. Sure, but we want to do 360 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,839 kind of enhanced office aesthetic 361 00:17:46,839 --> 00:17:49,140 They weren't quite ready to do that with this phase. They 362 00:17:49,140 --> 00:17:50,319 're ready to move on this building 363 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:52,700 That's why we're here tonight, but I'm sure the outcome 364 00:17:52,700 --> 00:17:54,359 will be happy to explain to you more about that vision 365 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,920 Well, it's probably gonna self explainer 366 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,009 My question was where relative to this site that was 367 00:18:01,009 --> 00:18:03,400 because on the site itself, there's no 368 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:07,849 really access points to the property to the east and so I 369 00:18:07,849 --> 00:18:08,960 didn't know if 370 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,039 The office park was to the east and long loop 288 or where 371 00:18:14,039 --> 00:18:16,849 it was for connectivity between this side and any future 372 00:18:16,849 --> 00:18:17,839 sites, right? 373 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,869 So it all made it the south and touches and I believe the 374 00:18:20,869 --> 00:18:23,039 property of the east is not owned by the same owner 375 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:25,480 Is that correct? That's correct. This is a different owner 376 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,539 with the one on the 288. Okay, right. Those are my quick 377 00:18:29,539 --> 00:18:30,279 commissioner aspect 378 00:18:43,519 --> 00:18:45,759 Sure, so we typically bring 379 00:18:46,519 --> 00:18:48,829 Most ADPs that come through planning is only commissioner 380 00:18:48,829 --> 00:18:51,799 either for front parking or for being over parked 381 00:18:51,799 --> 00:18:54,369 And typically what we asked if you want to do that the 382 00:18:54,369 --> 00:18:57,259 purpose of the purviewable paving is that you don't exceed 383 00:18:57,259 --> 00:18:57,480 the 384 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,000 the drainage requirements 385 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:01,920 that you don't 386 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,789 Have extra runoff filtering into our drainage system that 387 00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:05,980 isn't treated or isn't accounted for 388 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,069 That you can filter that water naturally through the ground 389 00:19:09,069 --> 00:19:11,599 and it be treated before it goes into our system 390 00:19:12,279 --> 00:19:16,380 With the permeable paving that that's the intent this dri 391 00:19:16,380 --> 00:19:16,880 bbles down 392 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,549 So you're allowed to do that by right if you want to do the 393 00:19:19,549 --> 00:19:22,279 concrete paving we typically require you to design some 394 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:22,640 type of 395 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,430 It's called intelligent stormwater system management. Is 396 00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:26,200 that correct? I swim 397 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,000 manual that you can 398 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,680 engineer your site to collect those areas in a certain 399 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,680 spots and treat it the same way it would if they just 400 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:34,880 naturally percolated through the 401 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,640 Paint the permeable paving spaces. So they've done that in 402 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:38,059 this case 403 00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:40,829 They've designed the site to run the water to a certain 404 00:19:40,829 --> 00:19:43,480 location filter it naturally through the ground before it 405 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:44,359 goes into our pipe system 406 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:47,519 Again, I'm not the subject of I think we have to ever who 407 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:50,549 could probably answer that if that didn't satisfy your 408 00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:51,279 question 409 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,740 She would be the subject expert on that type of question 410 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,660 Okay. No, that's I just wanted to understand that 411 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,049 So that they're treating the additional route that's 412 00:20:02,049 --> 00:20:04,789 created from those excess parking spaces through the design 413 00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:07,160 by draining them towards these landscape islands 414 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:10,480 Well, they would typically just get pulled into some type 415 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:10,759 of a 416 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,839 Drainage inlet pipe straight into our stormwater system 417 00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:17,140 It would never be naturally treated by the way they design 418 00:20:17,140 --> 00:20:18,400 it they are accounting for that 419 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,119 through drainage to the islands 420 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,160 Thank you 421 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,119 Any other questions on this particular item 422 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,720 Thanks Mike 423 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,390 Well, you're flipping paper so I want to be respectful if 424 00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:47,319 you had a question 425 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,799 Thank You Mike 426 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:53,720 we do have a final replant public hearing and 427 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,450 Haley will come forward and present that to us, which is 428 00:20:57,450 --> 00:21:00,119 another type of plot that Julie had touched upon earlier 429 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:14,640 Some Haley's a Gursky assistant planner and this is a repl 430 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,980 ant of the Ryan companies edition 431 00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:22,660 It's located on the west side of town on Dakota Lane 432 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,680 Currently, there's a manufacturing facility 433 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:28,970 It's over here on this portion that has all the access eas 434 00:21:28,970 --> 00:21:29,740 ements on it 435 00:21:29,740 --> 00:21:32,619 And the purpose of the replant is to separate this into two 436 00:21:32,619 --> 00:21:34,839 lots to expand the commercial development 437 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:36,160 And the reason why you see this as a public hearing item 438 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:41,720 because when you replant 439 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,750 Residentially zoned property you are required to have a 440 00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:48,369 public hearing and post a notice according to the Texas 441 00:21:48,369 --> 00:21:49,319 local government code 442 00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:51,970 And that's why it doesn't fit into a consent agenda at this 443 00:21:51,970 --> 00:21:52,259 time 444 00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:56,309 Relatively straightforward plot. They're just subdividing 445 00:21:56,309 --> 00:21:59,799 an existing plan a lot of record into two specific lots 446 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,359 Thank you 447 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,960 Any questions on the reply 448 00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:11,279 Super thank you 449 00:22:11,519 --> 00:22:15,160 We have a zoning change request and Haley is going to dive 450 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:15,839 into that 451 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:24,700 All right, so this is case z 1617 for st. John Paul the 452 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:29,720 second University pastoral Center 453 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:34,849 So their request is to consider making a recommendation to 454 00:22:34,849 --> 00:22:37,480 City Council regarding a rezoning from a downtown 455 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,900 residential one district 456 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:42,490 To a downtown residential to district on approximately zero 457 00:22:42,490 --> 00:22:44,160 point eight seven acres of land 458 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,920 It's generally located on the east side of McCormick Street 459 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,180 just south of Eagle Drive 460 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:52,569 So you can see here the location just across Eagle from the 461 00:22:52,569 --> 00:22:53,480 UNT campus 462 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,789 It's comprised of three lots that are all under the 463 00:22:55,789 --> 00:22:58,539 ownership of the Catholic Diocese of Fort Worth 464 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,230 And just a little bit better view of the area the three 465 00:23:03,230 --> 00:23:05,390 lots have recently been cleared there were three single- 466 00:23:05,390 --> 00:23:06,160 family homes on them 467 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,160 Those were torn down and the area 468 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,960 In general is comprised of a mix of single-family homes 469 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,660 multiple apartment complexes that are called out here 470 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:18,559 That primarily serve the UNT campus and then UNT itself 471 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:21,359 starts just across Eagle Drive from this property 472 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,089 So you can see currently the three lots are zoned dr. One 473 00:23:27,089 --> 00:23:29,059 their proposal is to go to dr. Two 474 00:23:29,059 --> 00:23:31,059 Which on this map is the light green color? 475 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,750 So you can see they do have dr. Two surrounding them to the 476 00:23:34,750 --> 00:23:37,559 north which was a case you all recently saw for the 477 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,880 apartments on McCormick Street 478 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,640 And there's other zoning districts close by in the area DCG 479 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,720 and DCN. So the area is kind of a mix 480 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:49,559 mix of uses and mix of zonings 481 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,279 So another factor we look at with zoning cases is the 482 00:23:54,279 --> 00:23:57,980 compatibility with the Denton plan and the future land use 483 00:23:57,980 --> 00:23:59,319 designation for this property is 484 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,880 neighborhood university compatibility area and 485 00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:05,009 This designation is assigned to areas of residential and 486 00:24:05,009 --> 00:24:05,720 commercial 487 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,279 development that are adjacent to and affected by the two 488 00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:12,890 major university campuses we have here in town so UNT and 489 00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:13,519 TWU and 490 00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:17,720 the intent of this designation is to help create compatible 491 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,960 form and land uses for areas that serve both the existing 492 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,039 neighborhoods and 493 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,910 And the universities and we recognize that both of these 494 00:24:24,910 --> 00:24:26,839 campuses are growing and expanding 495 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,559 And as they expect that student population to go up 496 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,109 You know, we look to see more of these cases of the areas 497 00:24:33,109 --> 00:24:34,859 around them kind of transitioning 498 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,339 So the considerations we looked at for this case 499 00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:42,779 The dr. Two proposed zoning district is a logical extension 500 00:24:42,779 --> 00:24:44,839 of that surrounding zoning pattern 501 00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:47,500 We saw that it had other dr. Two properties adjoining it 502 00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:49,319 the one to the north which I mentioned 503 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,529 Just in the past two months was rezoned from dr. One to dr. 504 00:24:52,529 --> 00:24:52,599 Two 505 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,579 The dr. Two designation is can or district is consistent 506 00:24:56,579 --> 00:24:58,440 with its future land use designation 507 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,140 The downtown residential zoning district is compatible with 508 00:25:01,140 --> 00:25:03,750 that mix of student and neighborhood development that we 509 00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:05,079 expect to see in those areas 510 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,480 And another consideration is that these lots are located 511 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,839 less than 150 feet from the edge of UNT's campus 512 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:13,359 So it's a highly walkable 513 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,119 Vicable area for students and the proposed use is for a 514 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,440 pastoral center for the students on campus 515 00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:21,630 So it's just kind of a logical extension of that growth 516 00:25:21,630 --> 00:25:23,039 there that's in the area 517 00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:25,920 and would also be easily accessible by neighbors in the 518 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,730 existing neighbor in the surrounding single-family 519 00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:29,759 neighborhood and 520 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,930 the applicant stated that their intent with this room rez 521 00:25:33,930 --> 00:25:34,839 oning was to 522 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,640 Increase the maximum lot coverage that they're allowed to 523 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,400 the amount of development that they're allowed to have on 524 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:40,920 the site 525 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,329 So I've called that out here with this zoning change. The 526 00:25:44,329 --> 00:25:47,880 maximum lot coverage would increase to 75% from 60% 527 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,799 Hand-in-hand with that the landscaping area that we require 528 00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,000 would then decrease from 40% to 25% 529 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,440 So that was their primary intent 530 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,109 I went ahead and provided the other regulations that apply 531 00:25:59,109 --> 00:26:00,720 to these districts those that you can see 532 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,390 The scale of the development that would be allowed there is 533 00:26:03,390 --> 00:26:05,910 still very comparable in terms of the height of the 534 00:26:05,910 --> 00:26:06,880 building and things like that 535 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,089 The size of the development that's allowed wouldn't really 536 00:26:09,089 --> 00:26:11,079 change. It would just be the amount of lot coverage 537 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,000 and 538 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,200 Other uses that are allowed in this district 539 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,200 Would still be fairly comparable with the area 540 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:20,359 So 541 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,450 Here's some photos of the property. This is the north side 542 00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:25,640 of it. You can see through the photos. They had 543 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,150 Three separate entrances there that were for those three 544 00:26:28,150 --> 00:26:29,579 homes which have been cleared 545 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,680 And it is 546 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,700 Currently surrounded by a single-family home to the north 547 00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:36,769 and south the one to the north is intended to be torn down 548 00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:37,599 for apartments 549 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:39,599 in the near future 550 00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:43,329 So per the local government code notification was sent out 551 00:26:43,329 --> 00:26:46,630 regarding this 17 notices were sent to properties within 552 00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:47,440 200 feet 553 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:51,880 77 courtesy notices were sent to properties within 500 feet 554 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,970 and I received two responses to those both of which were in 555 00:26:54,970 --> 00:26:55,279 favor 556 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,779 One was included in your backup and the other I put a copy 557 00:26:57,779 --> 00:26:59,160 of at your desk for you to see 558 00:27:01,799 --> 00:27:04,539 And so based on all those considerations staff recommends 559 00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:05,599 approval of this request 560 00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:08,500 Because of its compatibility with the surrounding mix of 561 00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:10,920 uses and zoning as well as its consistency with 562 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,029 The future land use designation for the property. So I'll 563 00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:15,279 answer any questions 564 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,559 Commissioner Taylor, thank you chair 565 00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:22,150 Is this the same owner that owns the property at the corner 566 00:27:22,150 --> 00:27:23,519 of Avenue a and Eagle? 567 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,309 These are all owned by the Catholic Diocese of Fort Worth 568 00:27:29,309 --> 00:27:32,599 right that's the the Catholic Center is Oh corner of Avenue 569 00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:33,200 a and Eagle 570 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,529 Yes, I believe that is theirs as well and it appears so the 571 00:27:36,529 --> 00:27:37,799 zoning is kind of funny 572 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:40,430 But there you can see the lots how there are two lots that 573 00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:42,480 are long facing Eagle 574 00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:46,130 But the zoning is only right now DCN on the front half of 575 00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:48,700 that Eagle property get back to one of the zoning maps 576 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,519 Yes, and so I'm just trying to understand is 577 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,230 And I I guess we'll ask this of the applicant in the public 578 00:27:55,230 --> 00:27:55,839 hearing 579 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,359 Do they have any plans to connect these five lots? 580 00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:02,069 Are they gonna because right now I think there's kind of a 581 00:28:02,069 --> 00:28:04,420 parking lot and then there's kind of some unused space 582 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,900 backside of their other property are they going to put 583 00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:08,519 drives through 584 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,259 I'm not sure what their intent is there. I do believe they 585 00:28:11,259 --> 00:28:13,480 'll have a representative at the meeting though to answer 586 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:13,960 that question 587 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:16,559 Okay. Thank you 588 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,500 Mr. Sullivan if I don't understand this is really not for 589 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,519 living but for like a student 590 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,049 Campus type thing. Yes. Yeah, it'd be like a campus church. 591 00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:27,319 Mm-hmm 592 00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:29,819 They intend to replat these as one lot I should have stated 593 00:28:29,819 --> 00:28:32,309 that earlier and then put one large building on there for 594 00:28:32,309 --> 00:28:32,720 use by 595 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,720 the students 596 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,559 Christian back. Thank you chair and then just to follow up 597 00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:42,160 on Commissioner Sullivan's question then 598 00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:44,759 This is a church. This is not like 599 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,329 Something along the lines of a student union on the college 600 00:28:48,329 --> 00:28:49,759 campus. It's actually a church 601 00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:53,180 I'm not sure if they sent that it actually is a church 602 00:28:53,180 --> 00:28:55,490 It's meant to be kind of a group gathering place for the 603 00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:56,799 Catholic students on campus 604 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,670 Okay, just the Catholic students in that other denomin 605 00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:00,880 ations aren't welcome 606 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:09,920 Yeah, it's just a common gathering place for the hang out 607 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,680 Commissioner Ellis 608 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:21,279 The lot that is a single-family home, is it just to the 609 00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:22,759 north of this is being 610 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,269 Yes, the lot immediately adjoining to the north that case 611 00:29:26,269 --> 00:29:29,009 was heard. Would you show it? Would you cursor please where 612 00:29:29,009 --> 00:29:29,359 that is? 613 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,400 Yeah, so this lot just directly north of them 614 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,400 Believe it was a couple of months ago rezoned from dr. 1 to 615 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,599 dr. 2. Do we know what's happening there? 616 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,000 They're tearing that down for apartments 617 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,769 Right, I would like to iterate a couple of points since we 618 00:29:50,769 --> 00:29:51,279 are talking about 619 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:55,509 Zoning what you see before you tonight with this request is 620 00:29:55,509 --> 00:29:58,730 a request to rezone from an existing zoning district to a 621 00:29:58,730 --> 00:30:00,519 different zoning district 622 00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:04,430 In this instance when you review such requests you look at 623 00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:07,559 all the uses that are permitted from a comprehensive level 624 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,640 So in terms of whatever is permitted in the dr. 2 district 625 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,980 is what could potentially be developed on this site 626 00:30:13,980 --> 00:30:16,700 Should the zoning change request be approved the reason why 627 00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:19,450 we provide you with some information as in the applicant 628 00:30:19,450 --> 00:30:20,079 has informed us 629 00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:23,170 It is their intent to develop this site with what they've 630 00:30:23,170 --> 00:30:23,779 mentioned 631 00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:26,359 It doesn't necessarily mean that that's what it would be 632 00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:28,420 developed within the future. For example 633 00:30:28,420 --> 00:30:30,869 This is a straight zoning change request and the use is 634 00:30:30,869 --> 00:30:33,380 permitted in the schedule of uses that I believe Haley 635 00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:34,420 provided in your backup 636 00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:37,470 And the uses that would be permitted on the site and then 637 00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:39,519 again back to the property to the north 638 00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:42,519 There is intention to develop it with multifamily. But 639 00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,069 again, the zoning district is much broader in terms of the 640 00:30:45,069 --> 00:30:46,119 uses that are permitted 641 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,160 Continue thank you 642 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:55,210 With that being said do they have a period of time that 643 00:30:55,210 --> 00:30:56,039 they have to 644 00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:59,680 Tell us what's being developed or the as long as the zoning 645 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,039 district that they are in 646 00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:03,869 Permits the use that they want to develop the site with 647 00:31:03,869 --> 00:31:07,490 they will be able to do so and meet the parameters of would 648 00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:08,359 you throw up that? 649 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,630 General regulation. Yes as long as they comply with the 650 00:31:11,630 --> 00:31:14,319 general regulations of that zoning district 651 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:17,940 So in this instance, let's assume that they do get approval 652 00:31:17,940 --> 00:31:19,960 of their zoning change request 653 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,220 They would have to comply with the minimum lot size and the 654 00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:25,680 lot widths as well as the setbacks as well as the lot 655 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,720 coverages and the landscaping requirements 656 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,839 In order to develop their site they would have to do that, 657 00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:32,880 but they would be permitted 658 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,789 Any of those number of uses that are listed in the 659 00:31:35,789 --> 00:31:37,240 permitted use schedule? 660 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,049 Okay, then I guess my the purpose for my question is if 661 00:31:42,049 --> 00:31:45,039 they did if they don't develop this pastoral center 662 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:47,420 Are we setting it up to be something that perhaps we don't 663 00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:49,880 want it to be and that's a fantastic question 664 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,799 And that's why when we do our land use analyses and when we 665 00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:55,160 provide the report to you 666 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,599 It doesn't necessarily hone in on that specific use 667 00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,890 It looks it conducts a comprehensive study provides a 668 00:32:01,890 --> 00:32:05,509 comprehensive evaluation of if the zoning change were to 669 00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:06,039 happen 670 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,799 Would it bet is it one? 671 00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:13,079 Compatible with the surrounding land use pattern with what 672 00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:15,220 's out there and is it compatible with? 673 00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:18,970 The comprehensive plan and in this instance, it's not 674 00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:20,930 compromising either one of those as they're fairly 675 00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:22,119 comparable districts 676 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:24,680 And we've also seen a trend in the land use pattern 677 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,650 changing there and that's why the recommendation from staff 678 00:32:27,650 --> 00:32:28,319 is favorable 679 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,380 Commissioner Sullivan, yes is anything dealing with parking 680 00:32:35,380 --> 00:32:36,000 considered 681 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,299 I mean if you've got a student union for lack of a better 682 00:32:39,299 --> 00:32:42,039 term and apartments and across the streets 683 00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:44,039 You've got looks like single-family housing 684 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,140 How many kids are going to be using this facility and how 685 00:32:47,140 --> 00:32:50,390 many people are going to be in the apartments and where 686 00:32:50,390 --> 00:32:51,839 they're going to be parking? 687 00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:54,890 With the site plan for each one of those developments. We 688 00:32:54,890 --> 00:32:56,400 would do a parking analysis 689 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,960 All those ratios are expounded upon in the development code 690 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,640 And so depending on you know for the apartments 691 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,670 We would look at the number of bedrooms and units in the 692 00:33:04,670 --> 00:33:06,880 complex and then determine what number of spaces they have 693 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,400 to provide 694 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,819 And the same thing will happen with this when they get to 695 00:33:09,819 --> 00:33:10,339 that stage 696 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,319 Is there 697 00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:19,700 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you chair. Just to expand on 698 00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:20,519 that parking thing 699 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:23,650 That's why we're seeing the ADP for additional parking 700 00:33:23,650 --> 00:33:26,759 spaces is because that office park over on Dutchess 701 00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:29,079 needs some more parking spaces and 702 00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:32,980 You know they they have to meet the code requirements and 703 00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:35,440 so every development any apartment a new house 704 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,660 You know offices retail etc. They're very detailed 705 00:33:39,660 --> 00:33:40,759 requirements by 706 00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:43,910 Specific use number of seats if it's a restaurant number 707 00:33:43,910 --> 00:33:45,299 square footage if it's an office 708 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,599 You know square footage retail, you know 709 00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:50,450 all this all these formulas that determine things like 710 00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:51,119 parking and 711 00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:55,299 These landscape requirements and then if you're next to a 712 00:33:55,299 --> 00:33:58,579 different use you might have landscape buffer requirements 713 00:33:58,579 --> 00:34:01,079 And all of that is in Chapter 17 714 00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:04,880 in the development code 13 13 sorry 715 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,380 Yeah, and it's and it's the it's probably the most the 716 00:34:10,380 --> 00:34:12,360 thing that we look at the most 717 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:15,679 influences our decisions the most 718 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,139 But they do have all those requirements like laid out 719 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,840 So I just wanted to 720 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,159 Commissioner Ellis 721 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,369 My concern over it is definitely with parking. I drove it 722 00:34:27,369 --> 00:34:30,000 yesterday. It's a nightmare over there right now 723 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,539 I'll tell you that I mean I had to back up my car just for 724 00:34:32,539 --> 00:34:34,639 somebody to come down the street the other way 725 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,800 So that was my reason for the question because I don't know 726 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,480 if we're setting up for a future problem with regard to 727 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:40,719 that 728 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,719 And I understand it has to fit into 729 00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:48,159 You know to parameters, but the area is dangerous right now 730 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:54,039 Any other questions on this side 731 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,360 Thank you 732 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,019 Well, we need to open this for public 733 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,510 Withdrawn completely okay, we have one other item in our 734 00:35:12,510 --> 00:35:16,000 work session item see but that the applicant has withdrawn 735 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,280 this 736 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,239 application so I'll just make an announcement in our 737 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,210 Public meeting in council chambers and that's going to 738 00:35:24,210 --> 00:35:25,400 conclude I 739 00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:28,829 Think all of the items that we have on here for 740 00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:30,599 clarification items 741 00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:37,960 But this time we're going to move on in our work session to 742 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,199 our item a it's going to be ID 16 - 743 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,199 1215 and 744 00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:45,829 Chandria and Jarvis is going to make that presentation for 745 00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:45,960 us 746 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,699 Okay, good evening, I'm Chandria Jarvis with development 747 00:35:59,699 --> 00:36:03,380 services and this next work session planning 101 is 748 00:36:03,380 --> 00:36:04,039 intended to be 749 00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:06,519 primary for urban planning 750 00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:09,150 We do want to follow up with some additional sessions to 751 00:36:09,150 --> 00:36:11,719 delve deeper into the issues that you guys were just 752 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:12,519 discussing 753 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,139 But tonight, I'm just going to keep it really basic 754 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:16,880 in the 755 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,139 To facilitate our new commissioners and then refresh the 756 00:36:20,139 --> 00:36:21,880 rest of us if possible 757 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:31,119 So I'll start by telling you a little bit about myself I 758 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,239 Have a bachelor of arts and geography 759 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,400 With the focus on spatial analysis and demographics 760 00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:42,380 Which was a primer or precursor to GIS if you guys are 761 00:36:42,380 --> 00:36:43,960 familiar with that 762 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,119 And a master of science and community and regional planning 763 00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:48,960 with the focus on transportation 764 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,559 both degrees from the University of Texas at Austin 765 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,119 I've been a member of the American Planning Association and 766 00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,739 a certified planner with the American Institute of 767 00:36:59,739 --> 00:37:01,119 certified planners since 768 00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:02,960 2003 769 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,360 I have over 16 years of urban planning experience. I began 770 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,320 my career with the city of Austin 771 00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:13,480 Helping out with the long-range transportation plan update 772 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,239 and from there I went to work for a private consultant firm 773 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,369 Helping with the feasibility analysis for the statewide the 774 00:37:21,369 --> 00:37:24,199 Texas statewide toll road initiatives 775 00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:27,320 I spent a brief period of time 776 00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:30,730 working with the Indiana Department of the Federal Highway 777 00:37:30,730 --> 00:37:34,960 Administration learning to do NPO certifications or 778 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,900 to certify metropolitan planning organizations before 779 00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:42,119 deciding that Indiana was too cold and then coming back to 780 00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:42,519 Texas 781 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,000 Where I started got involved 782 00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:48,750 Well picked up where I left off with the toll roads and 783 00:37:48,750 --> 00:37:52,039 started preparing NEPA analysis for highway projects around 784 00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:52,639 the state 785 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,840 From there I guess about 2007 786 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,719 Right around the time that the economy turned downturned 787 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,090 Transportation planning working at least in the consultant 788 00:38:06,090 --> 00:38:07,000 field dried up 789 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,929 And I figured there was a good good chance or a good 790 00:38:09,929 --> 00:38:13,250 opportunity to go back into public sector work where I 791 00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:13,760 started 792 00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:16,800 Getting involved in development review and permitting 793 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,480 And I currently serve as the development review committee 794 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,880 administrator for the city of Denton 795 00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:30,239 So my interest in planning and I hope this graphic works 796 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:36,079 out stems from my background I grew up in the 797 00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:40,039 Inner ring server suburb of Dallas Pleasant Grove if any of 798 00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:42,159 you guys have heard about that 799 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,429 When I was a child this was a nice area. We had good 800 00:38:45,429 --> 00:38:48,760 schools good parks good streets transportation 801 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,570 Places to shop go to the movies. It was a decent place to 802 00:38:53,570 --> 00:38:54,280 grow up 803 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,429 Somewhere at the beginning of my freshman year in high 804 00:38:59,429 --> 00:39:03,360 school the community took a rapid decline for the worst 805 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,559 Businesses started to close down 806 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,079 Yeah 807 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,880 Crime increased and we saw what was really a mixed 808 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:14,400 community 809 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,400 working-class community change from 810 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,400 From that to just primarily black and Hispanic and low- 811 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:21,800 income 812 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,960 Crime increase and then we started making the news for just 813 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,199 all the wrong reasons 814 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,469 I love that we have a t-shirt that shows somebody getting 815 00:39:29,469 --> 00:39:30,599 put in the back of a car 816 00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:37,159 So I 817 00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:41,280 Didn't when I started out my studies at UT 818 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,400 I didn't realize I'd never heard of urban planning the term 819 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:44,920 at least 820 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:49,019 But I knew I was interested in what made a city tick what 821 00:39:49,019 --> 00:39:51,880 made it grow and developed and then what elements 822 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,760 made it what was 823 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,760 Involved when it did decline 824 00:39:57,159 --> 00:39:59,000 so I was 825 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,840 Probably without a major for about a year and then I had a 826 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:02,480 breakdown 827 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,289 In one of my advisors office like I want something that's 828 00:40:07,289 --> 00:40:10,199 right in the middle of a lot of math and science and in 829 00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:10,800 liberal arts 830 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,940 And then she's like well. Why don't you try geography, and 831 00:40:13,940 --> 00:40:15,119 I'm like can I get a job in that? 832 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,280 so 833 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,280 She's like go 834 00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:22,980 Go take this morning class it deals with urban geography 835 00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:26,449 And I was like okay took the class started getting AIDS was 836 00:40:26,449 --> 00:40:28,119 happy with school 837 00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:31,230 And then from there I still was concerned about making 838 00:40:31,230 --> 00:40:34,079 money when I got out and so my 839 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,940 Professor my undergraduate advisor was really good friends 840 00:40:37,940 --> 00:40:41,280 with the graduate advisor at the planning school 841 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,369 And he's like well once you go talk to this guy and see 842 00:40:44,369 --> 00:40:47,760 what he says so I had that conversation and decided to 843 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,059 Apply for the graduate school so that I can actually get a 844 00:40:52,059 --> 00:40:53,659 job when I finish my studies 845 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,440 so with that 846 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,460 What is urban planning when you do a Google search you have 847 00:41:00,460 --> 00:41:02,139 all these different terms pop up 848 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,780 Defining one particular aspect of planning or another, but 849 00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:09,440 they're really technical and confusing 850 00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:15,159 So simply to me urban planning is 851 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,010 Just simply the process that cities use to get from where 852 00:41:20,010 --> 00:41:22,179 they are to where they want to be 853 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:26,079 And it encompasses the design of the built environment as 854 00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:27,719 well as the decision-making 855 00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:30,559 process for public policy 856 00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:38,570 Urban planning is important because for one it's an 857 00:41:38,570 --> 00:41:41,559 extension of the police power of the city 858 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,349 To protect public health safety and welfare which is 859 00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:47,159 granted by the US and Texas 860 00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:49,960 Constitutions as well as the city charters 861 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,849 It also helps us to provide adequate infrastructure for 862 00:41:54,849 --> 00:41:56,760 water for transportation 863 00:41:57,679 --> 00:41:59,559 parks in open space 864 00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:02,840 public service your fire police EMS 865 00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:07,179 As well as affordable housing it helps to preserve elements 866 00:42:07,179 --> 00:42:10,980 that are important to the community like clean water and 867 00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:11,119 air 868 00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:14,800 the natural and environmentally sensitive areas 869 00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:19,260 Historic places and then ensure social equity and 870 00:42:19,260 --> 00:42:22,800 environmental justice for our residents 871 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,000 And how is it done 872 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,230 What you see on the screen are the three most common types 873 00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:32,519 of 874 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,039 Planning when when people refer to urban planning 875 00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:41,699 At the top what how I like to think of it of it is at the 876 00:42:41,699 --> 00:42:43,500 top you have comprehensive planning 877 00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:45,800 which is the overall vision and 878 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,440 pretty much the guide for the city and then you have 879 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:52,519 that 880 00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:55,610 comprehensive plan of that process informs strategic 881 00:42:55,610 --> 00:42:58,769 planning and it informs the capital improvement planning 882 00:42:58,769 --> 00:42:59,400 and 883 00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:01,679 Then you know on the screen. I have 884 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,880 small area 885 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,880 corridor and neighborhood planning as 886 00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:09,059 Underneath comprehensive planning because I see that as a 887 00:43:09,059 --> 00:43:11,159 subset of comprehensive planning 888 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,719 So I'm going to discuss 889 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,809 Strategic planning and CIPs and then I'll come back to the 890 00:43:16,809 --> 00:43:18,000 comprehensive plan 891 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:26,789 So strategic planning is a focused short-term planning that 892 00:43:26,789 --> 00:43:33,119 identifies the mission of an organization 893 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,500 internal strengths and weaknesses external opportunities 894 00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:38,199 and threats 895 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,920 It also has future scenarios for a period of maybe three to 896 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:43,400 five years 897 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,130 And it identifies specific goals and objectives to achieve 898 00:43:47,130 --> 00:43:47,760 a mission 899 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000 On the other hand 900 00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,829 CIP planning is a plan for the investment of public funds 901 00:43:56,829 --> 00:43:58,119 in public infrastructure 902 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,329 It identifies construction projects like streets drainage 903 00:44:03,329 --> 00:44:04,360 improvements 904 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,389 Watering wastewater facilities parks you name it and it's 905 00:44:08,389 --> 00:44:09,239 typically 906 00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:13,219 Arranged in increments of one five and ten years and it 907 00:44:13,219 --> 00:44:16,760 also serves as a guide for the budgeting the funds 908 00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:22,039 So getting back to the comprehensive plan 909 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:23,719 the 910 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,920 chapter two 911 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,409 13 of the Texas local government code enables comprehensive 912 00:44:28,409 --> 00:44:30,079 planning in the state of Texas 913 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,489 And again, the comprehensive plan is an overall vision for 914 00:44:33,489 --> 00:44:33,880 the city 915 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,880 It's long-range typically 916 00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,000 Painting a picture of what the city intends to look like 917 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,800 maybe 10 or maybe 20 years out 918 00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:48,559 In its name is comprehensive looking at the full 919 00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:49,480 geographical 920 00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:52,880 physical economic and social aspects of a city 921 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,400 It's collaborative or it should be 922 00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:59,170 Involving every potential stakeholder and then it's 923 00:44:59,170 --> 00:45:03,159 continuous or ongoing to respond to changing conditions 924 00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:10,480 So what you see here is a diagram of the rational planning 925 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,719 method a 926 00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,519 Lot of people don't really realize we actually go through a 927 00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:18,059 process when we do our jobs, but we do 928 00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:22,159 Typically we start with an existing condition survey 929 00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:23,840 that 930 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,760 we use to go into a visioning process to determine what the 931 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,789 Ultimate outcome is going to be or at least where we want 932 00:45:30,789 --> 00:45:31,320 to end up 933 00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:35,800 From there we identify goals and objectives 934 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,519 Objectives that we want to meet and then conduct the needs 935 00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:40,679 analysis or gaps 936 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,039 To see what you know what areas we need to strengthen or 937 00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:45,440 pay more attention to 938 00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:50,130 From there typically we have several alternatives or 939 00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:51,400 scenarios that 940 00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,449 Are obvious and then we kind of sift through those to see 941 00:45:55,449 --> 00:45:59,780 which new policies or programs we need to implement and and 942 00:45:59,780 --> 00:46:00,559 then how 943 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,670 What strategies or actions we need to take and so this 944 00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:05,119 process continues? 945 00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:08,440 for however long we deem it necessary and 946 00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:13,519 And that also I wanted to point out as you can see public 947 00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:18,159 involvement is integral to that so it's usually 948 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,289 We try to get public input or stakeholder involvement at 949 00:46:22,289 --> 00:46:25,280 each level and so speaking of that 950 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,039 Who is who is the public we hear that term a lot 951 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,119 And it's really it's somewhat 952 00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:38,099 Defined but for the most part in planning at least it's the 953 00:46:38,099 --> 00:46:40,659 usual response the usual suspects 954 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,159 elected and appointed officials city staff 955 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,920 property owners and residents 956 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,880 business owners 957 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,880 neighborhood associations 958 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,760 special interest groups 959 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,980 Even visitors and tourists to your community so in a 960 00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:57,320 nutshell everybody 961 00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:04,489 And many of you are familiar with this being that we just 962 00:47:04,489 --> 00:47:05,500 went through the 963 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,760 Denin 2030 up the update, but these are the comp the 964 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,440 components of a land use of a comprehensive plan 965 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,079 The first one is what we're most familiar with because we 966 00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:18,880 deal with it as we review 967 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,579 Zoning and rezoning applications and that is the future 968 00:47:22,579 --> 00:47:23,400 land use map 969 00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:28,480 it's basically a an exhibit that shows each of the 970 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,199 land use districts or the future districts identified on a 971 00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:33,519 map 972 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,440 It corresponds with sections of the city 973 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,590 You'll typically have a transportation plan or a mobility 974 00:47:41,590 --> 00:47:42,760 plan that lists 975 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,690 roadway improvements or transit improvements that would be 976 00:47:46,690 --> 00:47:49,969 needed to support the vision of the comp the overall vision 977 00:47:49,969 --> 00:47:50,920 of the comp plan and 978 00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:53,639 Then on down the list utility infrastructure 979 00:47:54,639 --> 00:47:57,869 Sometimes you'll see a CIP plan it folded into the comp 980 00:47:57,869 --> 00:47:58,159 plan 981 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,840 public improvements 982 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,980 Like new facilities new police buildings new city halls 983 00:48:04,980 --> 00:48:06,480 things like that 984 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,239 economic development strategies 985 00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:11,559 a parks and open space plan 986 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,000 Affordable housing and then historic preservation 987 00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:22,199 So now we now that we know what urban planning is and then 988 00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:26,139 what the components of the plan are how do you implement it 989 00:48:26,139 --> 00:48:26,139 ? 990 00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:33,519 This is a diagram of the typical land development process 991 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,480 And what we found is that 992 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,239 Most of the goals and objectives that are identified in the 993 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,480 comp plan are realized in the way we 994 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,699 Develop and regulate land use so pretty much everything we 995 00:48:48,699 --> 00:48:50,599 identify in the comp plan 996 00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:54,309 This is sort of like the gatekeeper and in this process 997 00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:57,039 helps to make sure that we achieve those goals 998 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,880 Just a second 999 00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:10,840 So the the various boxes that you see on the screen are 1000 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,079 tools that we use for the comp for implementation 1001 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,159 Starting with annexation and going all the way down to the 1002 00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:20,340 building plan review stage ending with the certificate of 1003 00:49:20,340 --> 00:49:21,039 occupancy 1004 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,119 So let's start with annexation a 1005 00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:27,530 Lot of people forget about that as a step in development, 1006 00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:28,599 so we'll cover it 1007 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,309 So annexation is the process by which a municipality 1008 00:49:33,309 --> 00:49:35,039 expands its boundaries 1009 00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:38,039 for cities over 1010 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,739 100,000 in population like Denton we have a five mile ETJ 1011 00:49:42,739 --> 00:49:44,159 area so that 1012 00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:48,380 And that the ETJ is the extra territorial jurisdiction, 1013 00:49:48,380 --> 00:49:52,880 which is the the land that the city can legally annex 1014 00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:58,110 Annexation is general generally required to extend city 1015 00:49:58,110 --> 00:50:01,019 services again the people least fired 1016 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,480 EMS services 1017 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,400 voting privileges and then the tax and authority of an area 1018 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:07,679 and 1019 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,539 The rules for annexation are found in the in chapter 43 of 1020 00:50:12,539 --> 00:50:14,639 the Texas Local Government Code 1021 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,369 So once we determine that a piece of property is is under 1022 00:50:21,369 --> 00:50:22,360 the city's jurisdiction 1023 00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:26,150 We need to assess whether it has the proper zoning which 1024 00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:28,880 this is a consideration that you guys have before you 1025 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,440 tonight actually 1026 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,920 So zoning is a tool by which cities regulate land use 1027 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,929 And the authority and rules for zoning are found in chapter 1028 00:50:38,929 --> 00:50:42,360 211 of the Texas Local Government Code go ahead 1029 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,880 Commissioner back. Thank you chair 1030 00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:47,039 in an 1031 00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:48,400 annexation 1032 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,079 You want me to go back? 1033 00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:52,400 if you want to sure there's 1034 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,880 The city has the authority to annex this but then there 1035 00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,489 There's the issue of property ownership and they have to 1036 00:51:00,489 --> 00:51:02,400 contend with that, right? Yes 1037 00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:07,250 There's two ways that you can legally annex in the state of 1038 00:51:07,250 --> 00:51:10,679 Texas there's the voluntary annexations for when the 1039 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,280 area 1040 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,500 The subject area requests to be become a part of the city 1041 00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:18,780 and then there's the involuntary where the city can 1042 00:51:18,780 --> 00:51:19,920 exercise its 1043 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,670 Authority to go ahead and bring those parcels into the the 1044 00:51:24,670 --> 00:51:25,119 area 1045 00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:28,679 Those those places that I described in the ETJ 1046 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,710 Those are places that the city can bring into the in the 1047 00:51:31,710 --> 00:51:33,199 full-purpose limits 1048 00:51:33,199 --> 00:51:35,869 But the property owner if they object in there are we 1049 00:51:35,869 --> 00:51:38,659 dealing with some legal issues here before the process is 1050 00:51:38,659 --> 00:51:39,159 complete? 1051 00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:41,159 Go ahead 1052 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,599 There's really no mechanism by which an objection would 1053 00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:46,599 necessarily stop an 1054 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,699 Involuntary annexation and there's several ways to do it. 1055 00:51:50,699 --> 00:51:52,119 We're a homeworld city. So we have 1056 00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:55,659 Broad authority in the annexation usually generalized 1057 00:51:55,659 --> 00:51:59,619 cities, which are anything under 5,000 in population. They 1058 00:51:59,619 --> 00:52:00,900 have less authority. So 1059 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,840 it's so that we can protect our outer periphery and 1060 00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:07,989 Typically a parcel in order to be annexed has to be 1061 00:52:07,989 --> 00:52:10,199 actually adjacent to the city limits 1062 00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:13,570 So it's not just any place out in the ETJ. It's going to be 1063 00:52:13,570 --> 00:52:16,150 something that's directly affecting our city limits and our 1064 00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:16,940 citizens. So 1065 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,909 The legislature there's been bills introduced that have 1066 00:52:21,909 --> 00:52:24,519 looked to limit that authority with 1067 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,210 Property owner participation, but they have not passed. So 1068 00:52:28,210 --> 00:52:32,079 at this time, there's really no function for objection 1069 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,360 Thank you 1070 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,510 Were there any more questions on this or do we are we ready 1071 00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:39,559 to go? Okay 1072 00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:45,190 So zoning again is the tool by which cities use to regulate 1073 00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:45,840 land use 1074 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,050 The authority for that is found in chapter 2 11 of the 1075 00:52:49,050 --> 00:52:50,519 Texas Local Government Code 1076 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,110 Zoning is carried out in accordance with the comprehensive 1077 00:52:54,110 --> 00:52:55,280 plan or it should be 1078 00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:59,329 And it only applies to the area within the full purpose 1079 00:52:59,329 --> 00:53:01,840 limits of the city and not the ETJ 1080 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,119 So the zoning requirements the for land use the lot 1081 00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:07,559 dimensions density 1082 00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,880 Those things don't extend do not extend to the ETJ 1083 00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:16,239 Zoning is approved by City Council with the red zoning and 1084 00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,440 rezoning are approved by City Council with the 1085 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,280 recommendation from the PNZ 1086 00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:27,829 The purpose of zoning is to provide beneficial and 1087 00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:31,960 appropriate development to protect the character of an area 1088 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,880 and to minimize land use 1089 00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,039 incompatibility 1090 00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:39,960 It's also used to allow for the highest and best use of a 1091 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:40,679 property 1092 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,400 A zoning ordinance typically include 1093 00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:47,940 Consists of two components you'd have the text which are 1094 00:53:47,940 --> 00:53:51,519 the regulations with the list of allowable uses 1095 00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:56,420 The chart that Haley showed earlier all of the density the 1096 00:53:56,420 --> 00:53:57,679 lot with the dimensions 1097 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,710 Those those types of things would be spelled out and then 1098 00:54:00,710 --> 00:54:04,039 you have a zoning map that's arranged by districts 1099 00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:07,590 So it'll be a diagram depicting which which zoning 1100 00:54:07,590 --> 00:54:11,079 districts are located in which areas of the city 1101 00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:16,929 So a zoning designation that permits the intended use is 1102 00:54:16,929 --> 00:54:21,000 required before a project can proceed 1103 00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:25,880 A rezoning may be needed if the proposed use does not fit 1104 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,059 into the existing zoning district 1105 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,280 so if you have a 1106 00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:34,920 Say you have a residential zoning district the applicant 1107 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,719 wants to do something like a 1108 00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:42,000 Convenience store they may need to to request rezoning to 1109 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,079 do that particular use and then depending on 1110 00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:47,199 How it fits in the land you in? 1111 00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:50,119 in the land use plan 1112 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,550 Compatibility with the Jason uses it could be approved and 1113 00:54:53,550 --> 00:54:56,199 one thing I didn't put in my notes is that 1114 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,760 And I think we spoke to it a little bit earlier 1115 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,800 Zoning is a discretionary activity by the city. So we have 1116 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,599 we can say no to the request 1117 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,960 Whereas subdivisions are pretty much 1118 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,570 Ministerial which if they meet the and I'll get into that 1119 00:55:12,570 --> 00:55:16,079 if they meet the requirements we have to approve it. Oh 1120 00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:21,519 Speaking of 1121 00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:24,199 Funny how it happens 1122 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,159 So the subdivision requirements are found in chapter 1123 00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:31,960 211 of I'm sorry 212 of the Texas local government code and 1124 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,880 subdivision not a lot of people equate to 1125 00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:39,880 subdivisions with the residential subdivisions that they 1126 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,780 live in but it's actually when we talk about subdivisions 1127 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,789 It refers to the division of land into one or more parts 1128 00:55:45,789 --> 00:55:48,559 for the purpose of sale transfer or development 1129 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,360 And like zoning is used to regulate land use 1130 00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:57,219 Subdivision is used to regulate lots and street patterns 1131 00:55:57,219 --> 00:55:59,460 right away easement right of way 1132 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:03,179 Easements and public improvement dedications as well as 1133 00:56:03,179 --> 00:56:03,880 parkland 1134 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,860 I'm subdivision approval grants legal lot or I guess and 1135 00:56:10,860 --> 00:56:14,820 then we say lot of record status 1136 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,000 Which is required before any improvement can be made on a 1137 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:18,280 lot 1138 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,199 And like I said PNC must approve a subdivision if it meets 1139 00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:24,599 our local and state requirements 1140 00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:29,230 So this is a diagram of what a plant looks like you guys 1141 00:56:29,230 --> 00:56:33,659 have seen that probably a million times right now 1142 00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:39,000 the subdivision plat the plat is actually a product of the 1143 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,719 subdivision process and 1144 00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:45,000 Well, I guess I should say the product of the subdivision 1145 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,320 plant process is the final plat and 1146 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,969 Things to remember about a final plat is that one is a 1147 00:56:50,969 --> 00:56:51,980 legal document 1148 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,380 It gets recorded with the county clerk's office so that it 1149 00:56:55,380 --> 00:56:59,280 can be researched and that you know, it's public record for 1150 00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:03,300 Everybody to see and it never expires once it once it's 1151 00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:06,969 recorded, although it can be vacated and amended upon 1152 00:57:06,969 --> 00:57:07,840 request 1153 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:13,519 And 1154 00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:16,260 Earlier you had you received a handout that has is 1155 00:57:16,260 --> 00:57:19,420 basically our cheat sheet for the various types of plat 1156 00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:20,280 applications 1157 00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:23,880 We can go through all of those if you want 1158 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,159 Or we can just let you read through the handout 1159 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,199 Want to review those? 1160 00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:33,199 Okay 1161 00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:36,650 Well, I'll just point out really quickly the ones that are 1162 00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:38,320 in the white bold 1163 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,769 Text actually get recorded with the county and the other 1164 00:57:41,769 --> 00:57:44,889 two are they get approved by PNC, but they don't get 1165 00:57:44,889 --> 00:57:45,619 recorded 1166 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,320 So just FYI 1167 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,929 And this is what I like to know about what are the 1168 00:57:52,929 --> 00:57:56,760 exceptions before you go in there we may also want to 1169 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,679 Mention that in the ETJ we do have platting authority, but 1170 00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:04,360 we have an interlocal government 1171 00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:08,690 Agreement with the county that we will only plat in what's 1172 00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:11,440 called area one and there's a specific designated area for 1173 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:11,719 that 1174 00:58:11,719 --> 00:58:16,150 And we do not preliminary plat in the ETJ. We only final 1175 00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:18,480 plat. So you'll only see final plats for those areas 1176 00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:20,599 That's a good point. Thank you 1177 00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:23,880 I 1178 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,880 Always like to know the exceptions 1179 00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:29,860 No plat is required if the tract existed in its current 1180 00:58:29,860 --> 00:58:32,280 configuration before the lot came into the city 1181 00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:35,840 Or it existed in the current configuration prior to the 1182 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,800 subdivision ordinance which in the city of didn't I think 1183 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,000 that's 1960 1184 00:58:41,159 --> 00:58:43,710 Or it meets any of the exception criteria found in chapter 1185 00:58:43,710 --> 00:58:46,360 212 of the local government code 1186 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,280 The most common exception that we're presented with is the 1187 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:50,980 five acre 1188 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,880 the five acre 1189 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,179 Provision so in the local government code attract this over 1190 00:58:57,179 --> 00:59:00,239 five acres and does not need utility improvements is 1191 00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:02,559 exempted from the planning process 1192 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:09,750 In the city though the the code is 40 acre minute minimum, 1193 00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:11,360 so there's a little bit of a different 1194 00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:20,010 All right, so the properties annexed it has the proper 1195 00:59:20,010 --> 00:59:22,360 zoning it's been planted or subdivided 1196 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,170 The next step is site planning or and that's the next tool 1197 00:59:26,170 --> 00:59:29,190 that we have to implement the the goals and objectives of 1198 00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:29,960 the comp plan 1199 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,760 So a site plan is a set of engineering and architectural 1200 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,679 drawings that shows the layout of a proposed site 1201 00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:41,960 It's required for all multifamily and non-residential 1202 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,360 developments 1203 00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:47,320 With the site plan you can regulate building placement 1204 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,440 appearance architectural standards 1205 00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:53,239 landscaping and buffering 1206 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:54,599 circulation 1207 00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:57,989 Parking location signage driveway those elements of a site 1208 00:59:57,989 --> 00:59:59,719 that make it make it function 1209 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,280 It's important because it ensures it helps to ensure that 1210 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,030 the project complies with the development code and code and 1211 01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:09,599 standards 1212 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,090 It also allows for a detailed site review and better 1213 01:00:13,090 --> 01:00:16,030 coordination between disciplines which helps to identify 1214 01:00:16,030 --> 01:00:17,239 issues and 1215 01:00:17,559 --> 01:00:20,099 resolve conflicts that could result in delays 1216 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,869 it also provides for predictability and helps to streamline 1217 01:00:24,869 --> 01:00:28,360 the building plan review process and it allows the site to 1218 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,440 Proceed with the lateral improvements before it can go 1219 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,320 vertical with the building plan 1220 01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,360 Review which I'll get to in my next slide 1221 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,679 So to me even though I'm in current planning 1222 01:00:42,679 --> 01:00:45,079 I think this is the most critical part of development 1223 01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:48,280 review because this is where it all becomes reality 1224 01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,920 So I'm not too versed in this but I'm gonna do my best 1225 01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:58,360 So the building plan review is for the design elements and 1226 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,719 is where the design elements and code compliance for all 1227 01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:03,280 architectural 1228 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,280 structural mechanical 1229 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,679 Electrical plumbing and life safety aspects of the project 1230 01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:10,920 building 1231 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,920 Permits are required for new construction 1232 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,960 alterations to existing buildings 1233 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:17,440 additions 1234 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,440 repairs accessory structures 1235 01:01:20,199 --> 01:01:23,280 Fences a lot of cities don't do fence permits, but we do 1236 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,960 this FYI 1237 01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:28,199 signs and then monuments 1238 01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:34,980 Of the building permit process this is the most crucial 1239 01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:35,280 step 1240 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,409 So which is the certificate of occupancy and the CEO is not 1241 01:01:39,409 --> 01:01:43,119 separate from the building permit, but it is the product of 1242 01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:43,380 that 1243 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,920 review process 1244 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,179 It's an actual document that allows a business to occupy 1245 01:01:50,179 --> 01:01:52,519 and operate at a specific location 1246 01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:56,079 And it's required for a new use or a new structure 1247 01:01:57,199 --> 01:01:59,579 Changing a tenant or changing a use 1248 01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:05,679 So putting it all together 1249 01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:07,679 That was a lot quicker than I thought it would be 1250 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,389 So with this presentation, I hope that you now understand a 1251 01:02:12,389 --> 01:02:14,639 little bit more about what urban planning is 1252 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:19,800 that you know the importance of a comprehensive plan and 1253 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,239 That you can identify tools for the comprehensive plans 1254 01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:27,199 implementation and my goal is that you see the city now the 1255 01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:27,960 way we see it 1256 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,659 Now you I know I find myself doing that you'll be out at a 1257 01:02:33,659 --> 01:02:36,400 bar counting the number of parking spaces 1258 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,730 Are you being a restaurant checking to see if the CEO is up 1259 01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:40,800 to date? 1260 01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:44,199 It could just be me 1261 01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,670 Or you know find yourself wondering if that hey would if 1262 01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:50,920 the construction site is has gone through all the proper 1263 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:51,400 channels 1264 01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:54,119 but this is a little bit of how we work and 1265 01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,280 You'll find yourself doing that too 1266 01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:00,280 But with that that's the end 1267 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,280 And I appreciate your attention 1268 01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:05,199 You're welcome 1269 01:03:05,199 --> 01:03:07,199 any questions 1270 01:03:08,159 --> 01:03:10,559 Commissioner Sullivan is there any way we can get a copy of 1271 01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:13,199 your presentation sure I can be emailed it to you 1272 01:03:14,719 --> 01:03:16,719 All right 1273 01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:21,150 Thank You Shandrin, just thank you very much you're sharing 1274 01:03:21,150 --> 01:03:25,679 your passion and your knowledge. Thank you. Thank you 1275 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,320 All right, I think we're going to take a recess 1276 01:03:41,719 --> 01:03:45,360 Okay, we have a scheduling question, so we're going to 1277 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,519 pause for just a minute while that gets clarified 1278 01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:04,079 We anticipate going just a little longer 1279 01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:07,119 Yes, the bottom would be in a little later, so we're just 1280 01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:08,920 going to call her quickly and see if she can 1281 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,070 Consider this but we'd be more than happy to if we want to 1282 01:04:12,070 --> 01:04:14,599 just talk about it once we close the work session 1283 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,039 There any questions we'd be happy to discuss them 1284 01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,550 Well I'm gonna open the floor to Commissioner Sullivan or 1285 01:04:25,550 --> 01:04:28,019 Ellis to see if you have any follow-up questions 1286 01:04:28,679 --> 01:04:32,519 Procedure questions we typically if you have a question 1287 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,000 When we go into council chambers, there'll be a button that 1288 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,559 you can press and be a request to speak that lets me know 1289 01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:38,840 that 1290 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,670 You want to ask a question? We're in here informally just 1291 01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:42,239 wave your hand 1292 01:04:42,239 --> 01:04:44,050 I'll call on you recognize kind of like what we've been 1293 01:04:44,050 --> 01:04:47,719 doing and have the floor to speak occasionally we may have 1294 01:04:49,079 --> 01:04:51,539 Subject that comes before us that's gonna have a lot of 1295 01:04:51,539 --> 01:04:53,800 questions and we may in those instances 1296 01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:57,880 Have a request to suspend the rules and that allows us to 1297 01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:59,119 have a much more 1298 01:04:59,679 --> 01:05:01,989 free-flowing discussion without having to be formally 1299 01:05:01,989 --> 01:05:05,440 recognized and so as commissioners back and forth we may 1300 01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:09,800 Allow us to talk more freely versus Commissioner Sullivan 1301 01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,599 chair straight. Mr. Ellis and so that helps sometimes 1302 01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:16,550 So if we get into a situation where there's a lot of 1303 01:05:16,550 --> 01:05:19,519 questions and a lot of points of view may ask for 1304 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,000 suspension of the rules 1305 01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:25,800 Typically the only people 1306 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,539 Allowed to either be at the dice here or in there or 1307 01:05:28,539 --> 01:05:31,239 commission members only we do have occasion 1308 01:05:31,239 --> 01:05:33,400 we'll have an exception where may have a 1309 01:05:34,679 --> 01:05:36,119 child 1310 01:05:36,119 --> 01:05:38,119 possibly from 1311 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,360 Babysitting circumstance or something very unique. So it's 1312 01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,989 typically there's only people that are going to be on the 1313 01:05:44,989 --> 01:05:47,000 Commission that will be allowed at 1314 01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:50,119 Dias just for your information going forward 1315 01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:55,079 Those will be some things those are kind of 1316 01:05:56,719 --> 01:05:58,199 Sure 1317 01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:00,199 we will 1318 01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:02,340 As we go into council chambers 1319 01:06:03,159 --> 01:06:04,880 usually they'll be 1320 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,699 Sometimes they'll be passed along to each Commissioner 1321 01:06:07,699 --> 01:06:10,909 member or they'll just come directly to me for requests to 1322 01:06:10,909 --> 01:06:12,039 speak. There'll be a 1323 01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:16,320 cards and they're color-coded some of the cards will 1324 01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,280 actually just have a 1325 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,239 Member of the public that wants to record some comments or 1326 01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,030 Recognize their name the their address and then what their 1327 01:06:28,030 --> 01:06:30,599 comment is and have those read into the record and 1328 01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:32,320 sometimes they'll request to speak 1329 01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,940 When they come to speak they'll give again their name and 1330 01:06:34,940 --> 01:06:38,119 address and then they'll typically have four minutes 1331 01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:42,000 to share their thoughts about whatever either item that we 1332 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,119 're currently discussing and sometimes they may share their 1333 01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:45,880 thoughts on a 1334 01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:48,320 broad range of 1335 01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,559 topics that may or may not 1336 01:06:52,119 --> 01:06:54,679 Have you know direct influence on what we're 1337 01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,489 The item that we're discussing. So if you'll see the cards 1338 01:06:58,489 --> 01:07:01,400 are handy-rangle, what are those that they're about a 1339 01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,590 Probably about a six by eight card and there's gonna be 1340 01:07:04,590 --> 01:07:07,679 some different colors and there's white blue. Is it? 1341 01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,239 white yellow and blue 1342 01:07:10,239 --> 01:07:12,539 So there'll be three different. So if you see those those 1343 01:07:12,539 --> 01:07:16,110 are what are being handed around and what may come directly 1344 01:07:16,110 --> 01:07:16,639 to me 1345 01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:22,559 Great point another procedure issue is 1346 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,039 as we get 1347 01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:27,079 into our council chambers 1348 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,440 There'll be some things that will be consent agenda items. 1349 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,639 And so we'll look for a motion 1350 01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:36,119 You're free to make a motion 1351 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,440 State your motion whether to approve or or not approve 1352 01:07:40,719 --> 01:07:43,260 There's an item you want to discuss one of the second 1353 01:07:43,260 --> 01:07:45,679 hopefully on that and we'll open it for 1354 01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:49,159 I'll open the floor then for discussion or additional 1355 01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:50,679 comments or questions 1356 01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:53,530 And if there is none then we will call for what's called a 1357 01:07:53,530 --> 01:07:54,280 vote on the board 1358 01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,619 Your screen will will pop up again and it will have a spot 1359 01:07:57,619 --> 01:07:58,119 for yes 1360 01:07:58,519 --> 01:08:02,780 Or no and you can can take our vote that way and then it'll 1361 01:08:02,780 --> 01:08:04,900 be projected up on the screen as to how that 1362 01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:07,679 Goes forward as we move on through some of these 1363 01:08:10,639 --> 01:08:11,760 The 1364 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,849 The items on the consent agenda can actually be approved 1365 01:08:14,849 --> 01:08:15,280 all together 1366 01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:18,279 So you don't have to do separate missions for those just so 1367 01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:18,840 that you know 1368 01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,470 And I'm gonna get together with them and go over a lot of 1369 01:08:21,470 --> 01:08:21,960 the rules 1370 01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:24,399 Later time before the next meeting 1371 01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,560 And just so you know, okay 1372 01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:31,880 So then after we'll do our consent agenda then we'll go 1373 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,829 To our items for individual consideration. Those are one at 1374 01:08:36,829 --> 01:08:37,439 a time 1375 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,970 Those items don't require a public hearing so we don't open 1376 01:08:41,970 --> 01:08:44,239 the floor then to ask people to come out and speak 1377 01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:46,579 Those are items that are just presented here before 1378 01:08:46,579 --> 01:08:47,159 Commission 1379 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,859 One of the nice things that we've done I would say if in my 1380 01:08:50,859 --> 01:08:53,949 experience and probably Commissioner Taylor's as well over 1381 01:08:53,949 --> 01:08:54,359 the years 1382 01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:58,279 Is I I really enjoy the way that our work sessions are now 1383 01:08:58,279 --> 01:08:59,159 structured 1384 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,399 We now have a presentation pretty much on each individual 1385 01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:03,899 item here in work session 1386 01:09:04,119 --> 01:09:06,949 Which gives us I think a whole lot more opportunity to ask 1387 01:09:06,949 --> 01:09:07,439 questions 1388 01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:12,619 To vet out anything that that may not be clear so that when 1389 01:09:12,619 --> 01:09:15,180 we do go in to our public meeting 1390 01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:18,000 I think all the commissioners in have a much better 1391 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,510 understanding if there were some questions about all the 1392 01:09:20,510 --> 01:09:22,000 things that are in our meeting 1393 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,560 versus in our 1394 01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:27,180 Public session that there may be some things that we just 1395 01:09:27,180 --> 01:09:29,720 are housekeeping items and questions that can be handled 1396 01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:30,439 pretty quickly here 1397 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,529 And then don't take a lot of time in our public hearing 1398 01:09:33,529 --> 01:09:36,939 where we have people that are coming in and sometimes 1399 01:09:36,939 --> 01:09:38,680 waiting hours 1400 01:09:40,119 --> 01:09:43,210 Sometimes so be prepared for that some meetings will go 1401 01:09:43,210 --> 01:09:43,720 fairly quickly 1402 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,409 And then there's sometimes that we might be into the next 1403 01:09:46,409 --> 01:09:46,659 day 1404 01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,760 We've had that happen 1405 01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,920 Yeah, we take a few breaks and you know zero times two yes 1406 01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,149 Because we've had that history in the past with a number of 1407 01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:07,279 issues. I think it was it was a good 1408 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,380 Recognition on staff's part that a lot of times. It's it's 1409 01:10:13,380 --> 01:10:17,560 easier and and more time efficient for not only 1410 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:19,960 Commission but primarily for public 1411 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,260 To have a lot of this discussion like what we've had this 1412 01:10:23,260 --> 01:10:25,939 evening that we can can ask questions and hopefully get all 1413 01:10:25,939 --> 01:10:26,239 those 1414 01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:28,199 Answered and if if not 1415 01:10:28,199 --> 01:10:30,750 Hopefully staff between the time that a question may be 1416 01:10:30,750 --> 01:10:32,100 asked here at work session 1417 01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:35,779 Has an opportunity to go do some research and then can come 1418 01:10:35,779 --> 01:10:39,840 back when we actually meet in council chambers and provide 1419 01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:42,859 That information I think we had a question a little earlier 1420 01:10:42,859 --> 01:10:43,920 this evening about 1421 01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:47,500 Maybe a property to the north and that may be something we 1422 01:10:47,500 --> 01:10:50,800 don't know we'll need to do some research and staff can 1423 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:51,920 sometimes come 1424 01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,229 Back either work session or in our public meeting and add 1425 01:10:55,229 --> 01:10:58,000 that information that was requested earlier 1426 01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:00,239 So again, I think that helps 1427 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,979 The process move forward versus well I asked a question 1428 01:11:03,979 --> 01:11:06,680 I wasn't able to get an answer either in work session or 1429 01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,199 public and so now we want to do a 1430 01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,199 continuation of the item because I don't have enough 1431 01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:13,960 information as a commissioner to feel comfortable to make a 1432 01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:17,279 recommendation for or against this item and then 1433 01:11:18,399 --> 01:11:21,489 That affects the applicant and delays possibly their 1434 01:11:21,489 --> 01:11:23,720 project. So again, I think it is a 1435 01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,590 Hats off to staff. I think this is a much better way for us 1436 01:11:28,590 --> 01:11:28,800 to 1437 01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,359 process our agenda 1438 01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:34,270 In these work sessions and and have individual 1439 01:11:34,270 --> 01:11:36,199 presentations going forward 1440 01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,470 and then once we move through the items for individual 1441 01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:43,079 consideration of our public hearing items and 1442 01:11:43,399 --> 01:11:46,960 the way that those will work is that I will open the floor 1443 01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:47,279 and 1444 01:11:48,039 --> 01:11:51,789 Introduce to open the floor that is a public hearing. I 1445 01:11:51,789 --> 01:11:53,000 will introduce the item 1446 01:11:53,119 --> 01:11:55,789 We'll take all of our public comment, which will be the 1447 01:11:55,789 --> 01:11:58,239 cards and then we will also at the very end 1448 01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:02,359 If there are no cards will ask for anybody else that wishes 1449 01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:05,180 to speak to come forward at this time before I'm going to 1450 01:12:05,180 --> 01:12:06,079 close the public 1451 01:12:06,079 --> 01:12:08,939 hearing and hopefully that gives everybody who has an 1452 01:12:08,939 --> 01:12:11,760 interest in this particular agenda item the 1453 01:12:11,899 --> 01:12:14,989 Opportunity to either have submitted an item by card or 1454 01:12:14,989 --> 01:12:16,359 come forward 1455 01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,199 publicly and state their issue 1456 01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,470 With a card or if they haven't done a card they still can 1457 01:12:23,470 --> 01:12:24,000 come forward 1458 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,789 But when the after they've given their input we do ask them 1459 01:12:26,789 --> 01:12:29,819 for the record to fill out a card before they leave 1460 01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:33,520 We'll then close the public hearing. We'll go back then to 1461 01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:36,840 Discussion 1462 01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:40,279 Or to a motion first and second and there are all of our 1463 01:12:40,279 --> 01:12:43,199 meetings are run under Robert's rules 1464 01:12:44,279 --> 01:12:46,119 so if there 1465 01:12:46,119 --> 01:12:48,119 can get to be 1466 01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,439 motions amended motions 1467 01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,760 friendly or not friendly 1468 01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,770 And withdrawn and those will be things if that's of 1469 01:12:56,770 --> 01:12:58,079 interest to you 1470 01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:02,560 To read up on that you may we do have 1471 01:13:03,039 --> 01:13:05,319 staff here that is very knowledgeable to give 1472 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,199 the Commission direction of proper procedure of an 1473 01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,880 application of Robert's rules if there is a 1474 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,739 Technicality of how that is to be applied so we aren't on 1475 01:13:15,739 --> 01:13:18,039 our own just to we hope we got out 1476 01:13:18,039 --> 01:13:21,800 We do have staff that can can help with that and then again 1477 01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:23,939 once we get to a place that we do have a second 1478 01:13:24,399 --> 01:13:27,539 For a motion then we will call for a vote on the board and 1479 01:13:27,539 --> 01:13:29,520 if it passes we move the next item 1480 01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,350 If the motion may fail for whatever the case we may look 1481 01:13:34,350 --> 01:13:35,159 for another 1482 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,890 Motion on that particular item depending on how the case 1483 01:13:38,890 --> 01:13:39,319 may be 1484 01:13:40,039 --> 01:13:43,130 Before we move on to our next agenda item and then the 1485 01:13:43,130 --> 01:13:45,800 final thing that we will have here on 1486 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,840 Our agenda this evening will be our 1487 01:13:52,319 --> 01:13:55,520 Project matrix and concluding items and that's the 1488 01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,119 That's time to it's kind of our 1489 01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:04,819 That is our opportunities commissioners if we have 1490 01:14:06,079 --> 01:14:08,390 Items that we have an interest in hearing more information 1491 01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:09,279 about 1492 01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:13,880 items that we have concerns about if we've had a 1493 01:14:14,279 --> 01:14:17,149 member of the public come to us and say I'd like to hear an 1494 01:14:17,149 --> 01:14:19,680 update and that's something that you feel like is 1495 01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:24,039 An item that needs to be brought before the P&Z Commission. 1496 01:14:24,039 --> 01:14:26,359 This is the time in our meeting where 1497 01:14:27,039 --> 01:14:30,789 You will be recognized given your opportunity to present 1498 01:14:30,789 --> 01:14:34,020 those items and then they come on to our 1499 01:14:35,039 --> 01:14:37,680 project matrix that at whatever 1500 01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:41,920 Time depending on what the item is staff will do all that 1501 01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,039 they can in a timely manner to get those into our agenda 1502 01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:49,050 We may have a presentation or report just like we had this 1503 01:14:49,050 --> 01:14:50,579 evening come urban planning 1504 01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,930 About whatever item it is that either you or other 1505 01:14:53,930 --> 01:14:55,880 commission members have have brought forward 1506 01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,319 The one thing I will tell you that we've had a 1507 01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,560 Little bit of issue and had staff 1508 01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:06,170 Correct us a little bit under their under those concluding 1509 01:15:06,170 --> 01:15:06,600 items 1510 01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:10,060 We're not to get into a discussion about it at that time 1511 01:15:10,060 --> 01:15:13,399 because it hasn't been publicly noticed 1512 01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,829 So we're not to really have take the opportunity then to 1513 01:15:16,829 --> 01:15:19,399 start discussing back and forth and have enough 1514 01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,729 Public meeting about an item that wasn't on the agenda. So 1515 01:15:22,729 --> 01:15:25,880 it's it's it's primarily appropriate. I mean if there is a 1516 01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:27,539 quick question great 1517 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,130 But we do want to avoid a lot of discussion about it's 1518 01:15:31,130 --> 01:15:32,500 mostly just there's an item 1519 01:15:32,500 --> 01:15:34,390 It's important to me and I'd like to see it placed on the 1520 01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:35,859 agenda and that's really what 1521 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,829 That time is allotted for that that each of us has an 1522 01:15:39,829 --> 01:15:43,180 opportunity and after that will obviously conclude our 1523 01:15:43,180 --> 01:15:44,319 meeting at that point 1524 01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:48,920 I skipped over really kind of a more of a housekeeping item 1525 01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,189 We always open our meeting with pledge the US and Texas 1526 01:15:52,189 --> 01:15:56,119 flag and if we have minutes like we do this evening will 1527 01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,439 approve of our minutes 1528 01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:02,359 I would say going forward I think it helps 1529 01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,949 if you if you as you are on the Commission as you review 1530 01:16:05,949 --> 01:16:08,840 the minutes if you see something in the minutes that is 1531 01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:12,399 Not correct or there was 1532 01:16:13,239 --> 01:16:16,489 It wasn't interpreted the way that you intended your 1533 01:16:16,489 --> 01:16:18,119 comment. I would ask 1534 01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:23,420 As chair bring that to us in work session. It helps a whole 1535 01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:26,159 staff and us 1536 01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:29,310 To work through what the change needs to be in here versus 1537 01:16:29,310 --> 01:16:30,680 we're doing it in 1538 01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:34,119 council chambers and 1539 01:16:34,319 --> 01:16:37,000 Trying to get the words correct. So I think it helps a lot 1540 01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:37,159 to 1541 01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,159 Craft that and find it in here work session again 1542 01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:43,439 We just take it very straightforward in our council meeting 1543 01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:47,359 to make those corrections to the minutes of our meeting. So 1544 01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,439 Great 1545 01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,960 Question I've got a note on here for myself. So that is a 1546 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,000 Procedure rule that we have if you miss a meeting then we 1547 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:02,359 ask 1548 01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,699 Or or not part of a meeting whether you have just come on 1549 01:17:05,699 --> 01:17:09,199 the Commission or in the future you miss a meeting just 1550 01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,880 abstain from those minutes since obviously you weren't a 1551 01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,119 part of the meeting and so 1552 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,850 I'm gonna be abstaining from one of them this evening 1553 01:17:16,850 --> 01:17:19,529 because I was not in attendance at one of the minute 1554 01:17:19,529 --> 01:17:20,239 meetings 1555 01:17:21,359 --> 01:17:24,060 And I'd say just a housekeeping thing. I've made a note and 1556 01:17:24,060 --> 01:17:26,560 may have mentioned earlier if we have more than one set of 1557 01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:30,939 Minutes if there is a question about them, we'll take them 1558 01:17:30,939 --> 01:17:32,199 in in two separate 1559 01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,920 Motions that way if there is a change on one we can make it 1560 01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,720 Vote on it and then come to the second set of minutes 1561 01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,130 We are gonna have to continue on on August 10th, that's 1562 01:17:46,130 --> 01:17:46,920 correct 1563 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,130 So I've got that a note to our next meeting do we want to 1564 01:17:53,130 --> 01:17:55,520 have a date certain and let me know on that or 1565 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,439 I'll just put it as next meeting means fine. Okay 1566 01:18:00,399 --> 01:18:04,140 In a nutshell, that's I hope the the fire hose 1567 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,090 Downloads for you. I know there's a lot of information to 1568 01:18:09,090 --> 01:18:12,119 to gather and absorb not only just in procedurally 1569 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,399 how we do things but also 1570 01:18:14,399 --> 01:18:17,239 And all the things that will come before us as Commissioner 1571 01:18:17,239 --> 01:18:17,520 . So 1572 01:18:19,239 --> 01:18:23,159 Any questions anything else that we can answer or help or 1573 01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:24,960 provide at this time 1574 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,920 We'll hear that tomorrow 1575 01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:38,920 Sure 1576 01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,640 I 1577 01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,890 Think I can answer that but I'm gonna let staff because I 1578 01:18:49,890 --> 01:18:53,119 know that note they'll just ace that one 1579 01:18:53,119 --> 01:18:55,520 Yeah, there won't be any misspeaks on my part 1580 01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,439 Generally consent items are ones that are routine in nature 1581 01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:04,319 . They're something that's like a day-to-day 1582 01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,720 Like contracts or something like that that doesn't require 1583 01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,680 a lot of consideration or discretion 1584 01:19:13,279 --> 01:19:14,880 And 1585 01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,000 For example here. It's mostly for our plats because they're 1586 01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,560 ministerial. So there's not a lot of discretion 1587 01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,630 You won't see anything else here at PNC that will be on the 1588 01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:25,359 consent 1589 01:19:32,359 --> 01:19:32,359 Well, the statutes require certain items to have public 1590 01:19:32,359 --> 01:19:37,010 hearings and the ones that don't would be an individual 1591 01:19:37,010 --> 01:19:38,739 consideration 1592 01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:44,039 It should be 1593 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,560 Are you talking about the ADP? 1594 01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:50,340 The ADP is a creature of ordinance not statute and it does 1595 01:19:50,340 --> 01:19:52,079 not require a public hearing 1596 01:19:52,079 --> 01:19:54,159 So it's an individual consideration item 1597 01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,649 So it either falls in one or the other if it's not consent 1598 01:19:57,649 --> 01:20:00,439 and here at PNC only plats really are consent 1599 01:20:01,079 --> 01:20:03,710 So if it's not a public hearing by statute, then it's an 1600 01:20:03,710 --> 01:20:05,960 individual consideration. Okay 1601 01:20:07,060 --> 01:20:09,399 Answers your question. I got one thing I need to step in we 1602 01:20:09,399 --> 01:20:11,199 were going to call for recess 1603 01:20:12,039 --> 01:20:14,340 Before we got into all this discussion, I think there was 1604 01:20:14,340 --> 01:20:17,390 kind of came back. So I'm going to officially close our 1605 01:20:17,390 --> 01:20:18,319 work session at 1606 01:20:20,159 --> 01:20:22,000 523 and 1607 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,000 Then we can continue our 1608 01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,800 Discussion off the record here on after our meeting is is 1609 01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:29,720 work session wise is closed 1610 01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,569 Good evening and welcome to the city of Denton planning and 1611 01:20:37,569 --> 01:20:41,399 zoning Commission meeting for September the 14th 2016 1612 01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,270 This meeting has been duly posted and we do have a quorum 1613 01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:49,260 present and I will call our meeting to order at 637 1614 01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,279 Make sure everybody has their mics turned on 1615 01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,760 Our first order of business is to stand for the US and the 1616 01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:57,720 Texas flag 1617 01:21:12,039 --> 01:21:14,039 Justice 1618 01:21:36,399 --> 01:21:39,239 We have one housekeeping item here before 1619 01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,520 We get into our agenda. We have two new commission members 1620 01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:44,659 that are joining us tonight 1621 01:21:45,079 --> 01:21:47,710 That's part of the reason we're a little bit late getting 1622 01:21:47,710 --> 01:21:49,819 started not we had a commission member 1623 01:21:49,819 --> 01:21:52,369 That's two commission members that have rolled off and we 1624 01:21:52,369 --> 01:21:53,439 have we'd like to thank 1625 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,779 Both of them miss amber Bruegel and mr. Frank Dudowitz for 1626 01:21:57,779 --> 01:22:01,579 their service and we now have two new commissioners that 1627 01:22:01,579 --> 01:22:01,800 have 1628 01:22:02,199 --> 01:22:05,590 Joined us. Mr. Sullivan and this Ellis that are gonna be 1629 01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:08,529 new commissioners with us going forward welcome and thank 1630 01:22:08,529 --> 01:22:09,520 you for your service 1631 01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:12,520 You 1632 01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:16,079 Move to our second item that is back on our agenda, which 1633 01:22:16,079 --> 01:22:17,239 is going to be our 1634 01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,760 Minutes for our last meetings. I'll have an announcement on 1635 01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:25,960 the first one, which is the August the 10th minutes 1636 01:22:26,319 --> 01:22:29,189 That's going to be continued to our next meeting and so the 1637 01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:32,350 only item that we'll be looking for a motion on is going to 1638 01:22:32,350 --> 01:22:32,920 be our 1639 01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,300 August the 24th minutes this evening 1640 01:22:36,319 --> 01:22:37,960 Commissioner Taylor, I 1641 01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,319 Move approval of our August 24th minutes 1642 01:22:41,399 --> 01:22:43,399 Commissioner back. I second that I 1643 01:22:44,359 --> 01:22:47,600 Have a first and a second any discussion or questions 1644 01:22:49,399 --> 01:22:51,399 Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board 1645 01:23:07,399 --> 01:23:11,319 Motion carries four to zero 1646 01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,789 That moves us to our third item this evening which is going 1647 01:23:15,789 --> 01:23:17,760 to be our consent agenda 1648 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,920 Commissioner back I move we approve the consent agenda 1649 01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,319 Second 1650 01:23:31,319 --> 01:23:34,649 Commissioner Taylor second. Okay move approval for our 1651 01:23:34,649 --> 01:23:38,739 motion for approval of the consent agenda any discussion or 1652 01:23:38,739 --> 01:23:40,000 questions on them 1653 01:23:43,159 --> 01:23:45,159 Seeing none a call for a vote on the board 1654 01:24:01,319 --> 01:24:03,319 Motion carries six to zero 1655 01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:12,239 Motion carries six to zero 1656 01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,510 Move us to our item for our items for individual 1657 01:24:16,510 --> 01:24:17,960 consideration 1658 01:24:21,279 --> 01:24:27,689 Our first item will be item a ADP 16 - 0 0 7 I'll call on 1659 01:24:27,689 --> 01:24:29,600 Mike Bell for presentation 1660 01:24:32,319 --> 01:24:34,319 Thank you chair 1661 01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,920 This presentation is for ADP 16 7 1662 01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,470 For the project name is the pecan Creek Business Park. I 1663 01:24:43,470 --> 01:24:46,359 went through the details and the work session 1664 01:24:46,359 --> 01:24:48,470 So I'll give you kind of summary the high points here in 1665 01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:49,319 this presentation 1666 01:24:49,319 --> 01:24:51,140 And then I'll let the applicant come up and speak to the 1667 01:24:51,140 --> 01:24:51,939 application as well 1668 01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,500 So this is a request for an alternative development plan to 1669 01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:59,020 allow construction of an office development on Dutchess 1670 01:24:59,020 --> 01:24:59,520 Drive 1671 01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:03,600 And the ADP request is just for site design standards the 1672 01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,750 use is permitted the zoning allows that the property has 1673 01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:06,359 been platted 1674 01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,560 It's a purely a site design request 1675 01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,239 Subject property is located on the north side of Dutchess 1676 01:25:13,239 --> 01:25:15,199 Drive see here in yellow 1677 01:25:15,359 --> 01:25:18,449 This is loop 288 to the east and McKinney Drive up further 1678 01:25:18,449 --> 01:25:19,000 to the north 1679 01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,489 And the property is own community makes use general which 1680 01:25:22,489 --> 01:25:24,359 again does allow an office use 1681 01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,050 This is the proposed site plan for the development as part 1682 01:25:30,050 --> 01:25:32,810 of this request there are two requested deviations from the 1683 01:25:32,810 --> 01:25:34,680 site design criterion subject to 13 1684 01:25:35,279 --> 01:25:37,359 The first is that per code? 1685 01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:40,199 Parking lots must be located to the side or rear of the 1686 01:25:40,199 --> 01:25:42,880 building the applicants requesting to put it in the front 1687 01:25:43,159 --> 01:25:46,689 As you can see the site does have a weird unique shape to 1688 01:25:46,689 --> 01:25:46,920 it 1689 01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:51,140 That makes meaning that criteria kind of difficult so what 1690 01:25:51,140 --> 01:25:54,939 they've done instead is provided a front central parking 1691 01:25:54,939 --> 01:25:55,760 that's circular and 1692 01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,840 Fronted both buildings on that parking drive 1693 01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,560 The second request is that per the code they're required to 1694 01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:04,840 have 57 spaces 1695 01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,170 They're proposing 101 by code they could have that they did 1696 01:26:08,170 --> 01:26:09,560 them in permeable paving 1697 01:26:10,039 --> 01:26:12,670 What they're requesting to do instead is to direct that 1698 01:26:12,670 --> 01:26:15,760 water from those additional spaces into the parking lot 1699 01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:16,319 islands 1700 01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,720 Both here and here 1701 01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,170 And I did confirm with Deborah beer that the square footage 1702 01:26:22,170 --> 01:26:23,039 that we're treating 1703 01:26:23,279 --> 01:26:25,649 With this proposal is actually more than they would have 1704 01:26:25,649 --> 01:26:28,199 done if those spaces were permeable parking spaces 1705 01:26:28,199 --> 01:26:30,189 So we're in the net we're getting an improvement with this 1706 01:26:30,189 --> 01:26:32,579 plan, then we would if they had met code and done permeable 1707 01:26:32,579 --> 01:26:32,960 paving 1708 01:26:35,319 --> 01:26:37,319 Again this is just purely 1709 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,720 Not part of the request just for back of information. This 1710 01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,439 is the building they're proposing to build 1711 01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:44,239 on the north side 1712 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,720 Attached as a landscape plan there will be a type C buffer 1713 01:26:49,079 --> 01:26:52,390 15 feet 6 trees and 25 shrubs every hundred feet on the 1714 01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:54,960 north side to buffer from the apartment complex 1715 01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,819 Street trees and there will have the appropriate screening 1716 01:26:58,819 --> 01:27:00,520 along the parking lot 1717 01:27:02,279 --> 01:27:04,279 They are planning to build the site in two phases 1718 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,409 This color being the first phase and the second phase will 1719 01:27:07,409 --> 01:27:11,590 be the additional building in the circular drive at a later 1720 01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:12,319 date 1721 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,149 Here are stated the five or two criteria for approval of an 1722 01:27:17,149 --> 01:27:19,439 alternative development plan. I've outlined those in your 1723 01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:19,840 backup 1724 01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:21,880 I'd be happy to go through them if you wish 1725 01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:25,750 With that staff is going to recommend approval with three 1726 01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:26,319 conditions 1727 01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,220 One that the site plan or that the proposed element shall 1728 01:27:29,220 --> 01:27:32,199 comply with the site plan landscape pan landscape plan and 1729 01:27:32,199 --> 01:27:33,420 phasing plan as presented 1730 01:27:34,359 --> 01:27:36,659 That the primary building material for office odd shall be 1731 01:27:36,659 --> 01:27:39,600 brick or masonry and third that the proposed building shall 1732 01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:40,579 be constructed with the same 1733 01:27:40,579 --> 01:27:43,670 Or similar architectural design to promote the office 1734 01:27:43,670 --> 01:27:45,439 campus aesthetic and character 1735 01:27:46,399 --> 01:27:48,159 With that I would like to turn it over to the afghan. He'll 1736 01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:49,520 make a quick presentation 1737 01:27:55,359 --> 01:27:58,449 Thank you Mike good evening, I'm Lee Allison with Allison 1738 01:27:58,449 --> 01:27:59,279 engineering group 1739 01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:03,979 4401 North Interstate 35 Denton with me this evening is 1740 01:28:03,979 --> 01:28:06,399 Kent Key the owner developer and 1741 01:28:07,239 --> 01:28:11,079 Lance Holder project engineer from Allison engineering. I 1742 01:28:11,079 --> 01:28:13,399 appreciate everything that Mike said 1743 01:28:13,399 --> 01:28:16,250 I think he gave a great overview. There were some things 1744 01:28:16,250 --> 01:28:18,039 brought up earlier. I'd like to address 1745 01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,970 Someone had asked about the parking to the property to the 1746 01:28:21,970 --> 01:28:24,439 north and the use of pervious pavers 1747 01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,899 I don't know about that site in specific other than it is 1748 01:28:27,899 --> 01:28:29,960 an apartment complex and 1749 01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,119 Subject to the same rules if they had needed 1750 01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,470 Additional parking spaces. I assume they would have asked 1751 01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:38,399 for them and come through a similar process 1752 01:28:39,399 --> 01:28:42,079 One of the concerns or issues that we have with parking 1753 01:28:42,079 --> 01:28:46,399 spaces is the code seems to be short on providing 1754 01:28:46,399 --> 01:28:47,199 sufficient 1755 01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:49,439 parking spaces for offices 1756 01:28:50,039 --> 01:28:52,350 Apartments tend to actually be a little long usually they 1757 01:28:52,350 --> 01:28:54,380 're asking for less not for more spaces 1758 01:28:55,359 --> 01:28:57,359 Shopping spinners you can't give them enough 1759 01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,880 You know how to doesn't matter what the code says 1760 01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:03,340 But doctors offices and other places seem to be right 1761 01:29:03,340 --> 01:29:06,199 online. I know for example our office 1762 01:29:06,199 --> 01:29:09,949 that's that's under permitting right now, we've got a 4000 1763 01:29:09,949 --> 01:29:11,159 square foot office and 1764 01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,850 Allowed something like 12 10 or 12 parking spaces. We're 1765 01:29:15,850 --> 01:29:17,880 gonna have 17 employees there 1766 01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:21,699 You know plus we need guests so and I understand staff is 1767 01:29:21,699 --> 01:29:24,359 looking at the code and the parking regulations 1768 01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,239 And I appreciate that and that's one of the things that's 1769 01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:28,000 driving this 1770 01:29:28,119 --> 01:29:31,220 So being an apartment complex my guess is they probably 1771 01:29:31,220 --> 01:29:33,880 were looking for less spaces to begin with not more not 1772 01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:35,000 needing the purveyors 1773 01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:38,510 There are three items on here that we're trying to address 1774 01:29:38,510 --> 01:29:39,399 with this ADP 1775 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,409 One is front door orientation. I think staff may have 1776 01:29:43,409 --> 01:29:45,619 agreed that this meets the code 1777 01:29:45,619 --> 01:29:48,250 But that's one thing that comes up very very often and we 1778 01:29:48,250 --> 01:29:51,640 want to make sure that this ADP addresses that and it's 1779 01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:52,000 clear 1780 01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,720 And we don't have any issues 1781 01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:57,010 With that in this regards the other has to do with parking 1782 01:29:57,010 --> 01:30:00,039 spaces and we're trying to address that in two ways 1783 01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:04,060 One and I don't have the numbers immediately in front of me 1784 01:30:04,060 --> 01:30:07,260 is our landscape area on this site is 1785 01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,640 significantly more than the minimum required 1786 01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:12,880 So therefore our pervious coverage 1787 01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:16,989 Even without pervious pavers is significantly less than the 1788 01:30:16,989 --> 01:30:21,159 maximum allowed. So we're really addressing drainage by not 1789 01:30:22,039 --> 01:30:24,600 covering any more of the territory than we could otherwise 1790 01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:25,159 and 1791 01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:29,640 secondly as Mike mentioned the areas in yellow on this site 1792 01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:29,880 are 1793 01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,560 Landscape areas and they've been built as a depression 1794 01:30:35,239 --> 01:30:37,270 And you can kind of see on here a couple of dark lines 1795 01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:38,720 going to each one of those 1796 01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:42,119 Those are storm drains and that is designed so that we can 1797 01:30:42,119 --> 01:30:45,640 take the water quality runoff from the blue areas 1798 01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,239 Hold it in those yellow areas for 24 hours to allow for 1799 01:30:49,239 --> 01:30:52,199 treatment and settling and to prevent any kind of 1800 01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,510 Contamination coming from those so that's another way. We 1801 01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:58,439 're addressing it one thing we could have done 1802 01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:02,840 Pardon me, but we chose not to for many reasons is 1803 01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,159 Particularly those spaces alongside the building 1804 01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:09,409 We could have tried to cover those or something then those 1805 01:31:09,409 --> 01:31:11,279 wouldn't accounted towards our parking spaces 1806 01:31:11,279 --> 01:31:14,369 So and attach them to the building but this seems to make 1807 01:31:14,369 --> 01:31:16,000 more sense and is more obvious 1808 01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:18,949 Another thing we've done that I don't know that it helps 1809 01:31:18,949 --> 01:31:22,069 alleviate the parking spaces is we've provided two very 1810 01:31:22,069 --> 01:31:23,199 significant 1811 01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:28,039 Bicycle racks in the area of the circular drive to the back 1812 01:31:28,039 --> 01:31:29,159 not the one in the front 1813 01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:33,760 With the idea that in the future if if bicycle traffic 1814 01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:34,779 should pick up 1815 01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,970 165 days out of the year. There's the ability to convert 1816 01:31:39,970 --> 01:31:43,840 parking spaces into bicycle racks if needed and 1817 01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,600 I'm drawing a blank for a second 1818 01:31:51,119 --> 01:31:54,199 Purvious pavers and the 1819 01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:57,800 Front door facing 1820 01:31:59,119 --> 01:32:01,239 And I'm trying to remember the other item we're trying to 1821 01:32:01,239 --> 01:32:02,720 care I'm sorry I should park 1822 01:32:03,239 --> 01:32:06,340 Parking in front. Yeah, obviously the most obvious one of 1823 01:32:06,340 --> 01:32:06,800 all and 1824 01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:11,050 This is another one that we hope staff is looking into in 1825 01:32:11,050 --> 01:32:14,300 particularly instances in this we think it accentuates the 1826 01:32:14,300 --> 01:32:14,579 site 1827 01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,159 It's a great way to bring visitors in it makes it more 1828 01:32:17,159 --> 01:32:19,960 attractive. It helps work with the 1829 01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:24,619 Theme that we're trying to develop out here. I hope you got 1830 01:32:24,619 --> 01:32:27,000 in your packet a backup copy of the 1831 01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:31,140 Conceptual site plan we're trying to do for the entire park 1832 01:32:31,140 --> 01:32:32,039 in this area 1833 01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,600 I don't know that it's big enough to make a legacy park 1834 01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,279 But a legacy park template may be places to bring this 1835 01:32:38,279 --> 01:32:41,000 building is going to be the Denton record Chronicle 1836 01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:44,159 There's another building in town Sally Beauty supply 1837 01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:46,880 We want a place in Denton to try and bring those kind of 1838 01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:50,000 entities and the rest of the park will will help accept 1839 01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:50,439 that 1840 01:32:51,159 --> 01:32:53,319 With that that's all I have at this time 1841 01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,300 Be glad to respond any questions and if need be Kent or 1842 01:32:57,300 --> 01:33:00,779 Lance can help address some as well. Yes, sir 1843 01:33:01,279 --> 01:33:03,279 Commissioner Tyler 1844 01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,520 Thank You chair 1845 01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:08,319 Excuse me 1846 01:33:08,319 --> 01:33:10,630 I'm impressed by this. This is a this is a pretty cool 1847 01:33:10,630 --> 01:33:12,079 project. It's interesting to see 1848 01:33:13,079 --> 01:33:15,079 round parking lots, I think 1849 01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:17,000 Denton 1850 01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,699 one characteristic of Denton especially in the older 1851 01:33:19,699 --> 01:33:22,739 neighborhoods is there is a there's a mix of architectures 1852 01:33:22,739 --> 01:33:23,760 and styles and and 1853 01:33:24,279 --> 01:33:26,279 Whether it's extremely straight 1854 01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:30,939 rectangular, you know mid-century modern or you know a more 1855 01:33:30,939 --> 01:33:31,840 eclectic mix 1856 01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:35,060 So it's I think it's pretty pretty unusual to see the the 1857 01:33:35,060 --> 01:33:37,199 curved and circular parking 1858 01:33:38,039 --> 01:33:40,399 That that makes it a little bit different than the straight 1859 01:33:40,399 --> 01:33:43,380 grids that you that we see in most projects. I 1860 01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:45,520 have a 1861 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:49,439 Just an academic question first. What is the term for this 1862 01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:51,840 type of runoff through? 1863 01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:53,920 the 1864 01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:57,119 Median area area. I know that there's got to be some way of 1865 01:33:57,119 --> 01:33:59,119 just like just naming it 1866 01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:05,050 Anybody we have just typically called it water quality run 1867 01:34:05,050 --> 01:34:05,479 off 1868 01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,960 There's no it's storm water runoff. It's just going through 1869 01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:13,699 a water quality treatment pretreatment type system. That'll 1870 01:34:13,699 --> 01:34:14,800 catch it. There is a 1871 01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:18,159 box culvert that runs along 1872 01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:21,590 The east side of the property north to south underneath 1873 01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:24,550 that row of parking and everything these pipes will connect 1874 01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:25,239 into it 1875 01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:27,640 right and I 1876 01:34:28,279 --> 01:34:30,600 Just had a few questions. I'm sure there's probably a 1877 01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:31,239 technical answer 1878 01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:35,640 Why don't all of the parking spaces drain into the the 1879 01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:36,920 water quality? 1880 01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:39,560 median areas 1881 01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,439 Because of the topography of the land and the ability to 1882 01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:45,189 put great inlets in the parking lot and captured in a way 1883 01:34:45,189 --> 01:34:45,760 without flooding 1884 01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:48,939 The parking lot so I guess the blue areas grade to the 1885 01:34:48,939 --> 01:34:51,479 yellow and then the white or gray areas 1886 01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:55,619 Grade away from the if I can point it out to the north this 1887 01:34:55,619 --> 01:34:55,880 which 1888 01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,840 I'm not that good right. There's a great inlet 1889 01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:02,949 So this area will go into that great inlet follow this 1890 01:35:02,949 --> 01:35:04,399 storm drain along here 1891 01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:08,039 Another great area inlet here to pick up all of this area 1892 01:35:08,199 --> 01:35:11,050 Then we have great inlets here and here that will pick up 1893 01:35:11,050 --> 01:35:12,119 this area in this area 1894 01:35:12,399 --> 01:35:15,500 And all of these will tie into this box culvert that runs 1895 01:35:15,500 --> 01:35:16,159 back here 1896 01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:19,449 there's actually a concrete drainage channel back here that 1897 01:35:19,449 --> 01:35:22,409 goes into an underground box culvert and goes out this 1898 01:35:22,409 --> 01:35:23,119 location and 1899 01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,600 Grades it's it's 1900 01:35:27,279 --> 01:35:29,279 Gotta make it slope one way 1901 01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:33,640 Right gotta make the water flow and at the same time these 1902 01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:35,199 areas really 1903 01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:40,199 The water quality is only treat the inch and a half storm 1904 01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,689 If we have a hundred year storm these will fill up and they 1905 01:35:43,689 --> 01:35:46,079 'll overflow and go into those great inlets 1906 01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,020 And one more thing so normally we don't really care too 1907 01:35:51,020 --> 01:35:52,880 much about the details of the site plan but in this case 1908 01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:56,189 We're as a condition of the ADP. We would make the site 1909 01:35:56,189 --> 01:35:56,880 plan binding is 1910 01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,920 Is two dumpsters enough? 1911 01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:04,119 Service for both buildings seems like it's a pretty large 1912 01:36:04,119 --> 01:36:08,100 square footage for one recycling one trash dumpster 1913 01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:12,100 Right now based on the uses we believe it is we are going 1914 01:36:12,100 --> 01:36:13,319 with the largest dumpsters 1915 01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:17,010 combination the city has including recycling and well as 1916 01:36:17,010 --> 01:36:18,479 standard garbage I 1917 01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:21,600 wouldn't be surprised in these facilities if 1918 01:36:22,399 --> 01:36:25,909 We might shouldn't go for a very large recycling and a very 1919 01:36:25,909 --> 01:36:27,640 small garbage dumpster, but 1920 01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:31,329 That does we have here to serve the sizes on that. Yes. 1921 01:36:31,329 --> 01:36:31,720 Okay. Thank you 1922 01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:37,689 Commissioner back. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Allison for 1923 01:36:37,689 --> 01:36:37,920 your presentation 1924 01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:40,760 I've got a couple of things 1925 01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:45,319 One is the idea that you're going from 1926 01:36:46,079 --> 01:36:49,119 the required 57 parking spaces that this 1927 01:36:50,199 --> 01:36:52,840 Development allows to 101 and I was able to talk with you 1928 01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,640 briefly in the work session and you indicated that 1929 01:36:56,079 --> 01:36:58,180 There's going to be that many employees there. This is 1930 01:36:58,180 --> 01:36:59,880 going to be the record Chronicle building 1931 01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:03,329 That's going to require 101 parking places. Is that correct 1932 01:37:03,329 --> 01:37:03,439 ? 1933 01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:05,039 Close 1934 01:37:05,039 --> 01:37:08,130 Okay, the first building is going to be the didn't record 1935 01:37:08,130 --> 01:37:11,149 chronicling and based on the didn't record Chronicles 1936 01:37:11,149 --> 01:37:12,479 employee requirements 1937 01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:16,079 Plus a duplicate building on site of a similar use. We've 1938 01:37:16,079 --> 01:37:19,319 projected this total number of employees required 1939 01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:23,079 Okay, they're not all 101 for one building because then 1940 01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,479 we couldn't build the other because I was curious to 1941 01:37:27,159 --> 01:37:29,470 often it's you know the other way around where the 1942 01:37:29,470 --> 01:37:30,920 developer doesn't necessarily want to 1943 01:37:31,159 --> 01:37:34,609 Build that many parking places because the cost itself 1944 01:37:34,609 --> 01:37:35,640 exactly factor 1945 01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:38,729 So I thought that was interesting. Okay that explains it 1946 01:37:38,729 --> 01:37:41,510 now. I'd like to give you a little praise if I may this has 1947 01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:41,800 been 1948 01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:45,010 Appreciate that in there we need more of as much as we can 1949 01:37:45,010 --> 01:37:47,739 get this is one been one of the most delightful narratives 1950 01:37:47,739 --> 01:37:49,739 I think I've read basically 1951 01:37:50,079 --> 01:37:53,359 Because you seem to be very friendly towards cycling and 1952 01:37:53,359 --> 01:37:55,460 pedestrian and accommodating 1953 01:37:57,319 --> 01:37:59,880 Hopefully will be a future mixed-use 1954 01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:04,460 Trail coming down the road if I could just you know real 1955 01:38:04,460 --> 01:38:06,840 briefly quote some of your comments that 1956 01:38:08,279 --> 01:38:10,270 Pedestrian friendliness is incorporated into the planning 1957 01:38:10,270 --> 01:38:13,529 to provide for employment business interaction with local 1958 01:38:13,529 --> 01:38:13,960 community 1959 01:38:16,359 --> 01:38:18,670 To further promote alternative means of transportation 1960 01:38:18,670 --> 01:38:21,039 particularly bicycles we are providing spaces for 1961 01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:24,649 18 bicycles which you mentioned if bicycle traffic 1962 01:38:24,649 --> 01:38:26,850 increases you're willing to convert some of your parking 1963 01:38:26,850 --> 01:38:28,819 cases for bicycle parking 1964 01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,239 But the one that really caught my eye here 1965 01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:35,619 And this is probably goes to the developer is their desire 1966 01:38:35,619 --> 01:38:37,359 to work with the city parks and recreation 1967 01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:40,960 And the planning to develop a localized activity trail 1968 01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:44,949 system that it really ties into the citywide system. That's 1969 01:38:44,949 --> 01:38:45,100 good 1970 01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:49,439 It was briefly mentioned that the city has conceptually 1971 01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:52,319 anyway thought of a trail along there. It's 1972 01:38:53,039 --> 01:38:55,039 Not gone any further than that 1973 01:38:55,079 --> 01:38:57,529 But this would be a great area for it and the fact that y' 1974 01:38:57,529 --> 01:39:00,239 all are coming in and developing this area may encourage 1975 01:39:00,239 --> 01:39:00,800 that to move 1976 01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:04,630 A lot quicker so I high praise for you on that. Thank you. 1977 01:39:04,630 --> 01:39:06,840 I'd like to pass most of that on to Kent Key who's been a 1978 01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:10,739 High school graduate here and longtime developer, and this 1979 01:39:10,739 --> 01:39:12,060 is his vision and dreams 1980 01:39:12,060 --> 01:39:14,369 My only contribution to the whole thing was a circular 1981 01:39:14,369 --> 01:39:15,159 parking like this 1982 01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:19,640 I'll take credit for that but other than that it's all my 1983 01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:20,720 thanks to Mr. Key 1984 01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:23,720 Thanks, sir 1985 01:39:26,079 --> 01:39:28,880 I've seen no other questions. Thank you. Thank you 1986 01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:40,199 Well, I was going to make a couple of comments if nobody 1987 01:39:40,199 --> 01:39:43,520 else says anything 1988 01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,319 You have something else wait, I'm sorry I do 1989 01:39:53,079 --> 01:39:55,359 May need some help getting to the phasing 1990 01:39:56,319 --> 01:40:00,350 In that one thing that has come up is we would really like 1991 01:40:00,350 --> 01:40:03,359 to be able to build the circular parking lot in the first 1992 01:40:03,359 --> 01:40:03,640 phase 1993 01:40:04,279 --> 01:40:07,170 We've got building permits in the yellow part the first 1994 01:40:07,170 --> 01:40:07,840 phase now 1995 01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:11,109 But in order to enhance the site and to bring guests into 1996 01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:12,399 the record Chronicle 1997 01:40:12,399 --> 01:40:15,489 They've and to make the site more attractive to attract 1998 01:40:15,489 --> 01:40:18,239 another building there. They'd like to go ahead with that 1999 01:40:18,239 --> 01:40:19,199 circular parking lot 2000 01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:21,909 during the first phase we still got to get the design 2001 01:40:21,909 --> 01:40:24,079 turned in and get building permits, but that would be a 2002 01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:27,510 Difference in what is the phasing you might say three 2003 01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:28,039 phases? 2004 01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,039 phase one phase 1a and 2005 01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:33,609 Then the phase to be in the other building and the 2006 01:40:33,609 --> 01:40:35,239 remainder of parking places 2007 01:40:36,359 --> 01:40:40,289 Me as for clarification from staff and our ability is to do 2008 01:40:40,289 --> 01:40:41,279 that at this time 2009 01:40:41,279 --> 01:40:44,640 Or we've got to do something different to be able to modify 2010 01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:45,760 that as presented 2011 01:40:48,199 --> 01:40:50,119 Well the ADP 2012 01:40:50,119 --> 01:40:52,359 the ADP reflects that 2013 01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,439 If you look at there even the recommendation that this 2014 01:40:56,279 --> 01:40:58,909 Development whether it's phased or not will comply with 2015 01:40:58,909 --> 01:41:02,119 these elements of it. I believe you submitted permit for 2016 01:41:02,119 --> 01:41:02,859 which phase 2017 01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:06,520 The yellow phase phase and you want to go ahead and include 2018 01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:08,680 part of the blue into the yellow 2019 01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:11,439 So to speak as part of your building permits that it 2020 01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:14,819 shouldn't be an issue. However, what is the status of the 2021 01:41:14,819 --> 01:41:15,880 other building? 2022 01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:19,130 The second building phase to write because you're overall 2023 01:41:19,130 --> 01:41:21,619 you're comprehensive. Are you trying to do all your parking 2024 01:41:21,619 --> 01:41:22,600 in one time? 2025 01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:24,319 Not all of it 2026 01:41:24,319 --> 01:41:27,409 There's some other parking in blue along the drive to the 2027 01:41:27,409 --> 01:41:29,979 back that would definitely wait for the second place 2028 01:41:30,319 --> 01:41:31,920 We're only talking about regardless here 2029 01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,399 You're requesting an ADP as it relates to the configuration 2030 01:41:34,399 --> 01:41:37,760 of the of the parking in front of the building as well as 2031 01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:38,279 the other 2032 01:41:38,319 --> 01:41:40,880 Elements that you're requesting so it should not impact we 2033 01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:42,880 can address that at time of building permit 2034 01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:45,560 Yeah, it's just strictly phasing. It's not 2035 01:41:46,079 --> 01:41:48,079 It's not configuration 2036 01:41:48,359 --> 01:41:50,760 So we can deal with that here and move the 2037 01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:54,720 Application for it as it's presented tonight 2038 01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:57,029 I would got a clarification. I wouldn't make one 2039 01:41:57,029 --> 01:41:57,600 clarification 2040 01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,229 I didn't make that as part of my condition and condition 2041 01:42:00,229 --> 01:42:02,760 number one that would be complied with the phasing plan 2042 01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,880 So I recommend striking phasing plan from that recommended 2043 01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:07,199 condition. Okay 2044 01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:12,520 All right, well that was going to be my comment before 2045 01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:15,920 Hopefully we get a motion. I wanted to make sure the 2046 01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,649 applicant was okay with the three conditions that are put 2047 01:42:18,649 --> 01:42:19,720 on here for approval 2048 01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:24,920 So we will be amending the phasing plan out on city's 2049 01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:26,000 recommendation 2050 01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,420 I had one small clarification if you want to pull back up 2051 01:42:29,420 --> 01:42:30,920 the phasing plan 2052 01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:34,319 and it may become 2053 01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:37,279 Depending on how this is going to be done 2054 01:42:37,279 --> 01:42:41,750 I noticed that there's a ADA space that's shown in phase 2055 01:42:41,750 --> 01:42:43,920 one against the proposed 2056 01:42:44,359 --> 01:42:46,359 second building 2057 01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:50,000 And if the second building is not built for whatever reason 2058 01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:53,779 There's not a way to use that ADA space to get over to 2059 01:42:53,779 --> 01:42:55,000 building number one 2060 01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:58,510 That may be taken care of if we're going to split this up 2061 01:42:58,510 --> 01:43:00,800 and include the circle drive that there would be 2062 01:43:01,159 --> 01:43:04,279 sidewalk or something to utilize that second ADA 2063 01:43:05,039 --> 01:43:07,859 Space because then they just have one ADA space that's 2064 01:43:07,859 --> 01:43:09,500 accessible to that building number one 2065 01:43:09,500 --> 01:43:12,590 But that's more of a housekeeping item. I think probably 2066 01:43:12,590 --> 01:43:13,119 for you all 2067 01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,270 Sure, yeah, that's that's why our condition we say 2068 01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:18,119 substantially complies 2069 01:43:18,119 --> 01:43:20,329 We can make those minor tweaks to the site plan as we need 2070 01:43:20,329 --> 01:43:22,239 to have building permit. Okay, perfect 2071 01:43:24,239 --> 01:43:27,470 Well with that I'm going to make a motion for approval of 2072 01:43:27,470 --> 01:43:28,239 this item 2073 01:43:29,039 --> 01:43:31,960 Subject to the three criteria that are listed in our backup 2074 01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:36,600 With the correction of removing the phasing plan in the 2075 01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:40,800 attached exhibits on on the condition number one 2076 01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:51,079 Second Commissioner Ellis second. I have a first and a 2077 01:43:51,079 --> 01:43:53,000 second any discussion 2078 01:44:00,399 --> 01:44:02,399 Seeing none will call for a vote on the board 2079 01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:04,680 I 2080 01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:18,600 Motion carries six to zero 2081 01:44:23,239 --> 01:44:25,600 Thank you, good luck on your project 2082 01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:29,039 Moves us to 2083 01:44:29,039 --> 01:44:31,460 Our agenda items number five, which is going to be our 2084 01:44:31,460 --> 01:44:33,000 public hearing section tonight 2085 01:44:35,039 --> 01:44:38,960 I'm going to open the public hearing for item a fr 16 - 2086 01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:41,600 zero zero one eight at this time and 2087 01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:44,760 I'm going to ask 2088 01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:48,159 Haley to present that out of course, please 2089 01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:01,479 Okay 2090 01:45:02,399 --> 01:45:04,000 Yes, so this is 2091 01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:07,289 agenda item fr 16 zero zero one eight. It's a replant of 2092 01:45:07,289 --> 01:45:08,880 the Ryan companies edition 2093 01:45:09,279 --> 01:45:11,590 The property is located on the west side of town off of 2094 01:45:11,590 --> 01:45:14,750 Dakota Lane. It is currently developed with an industrial 2095 01:45:14,750 --> 01:45:15,119 use on 2096 01:45:16,199 --> 01:45:16,199 This northern portion of the property here and their 2097 01:45:16,199 --> 01:45:16,350 proposal is to split what was one lot of record into two 2098 01:45:16,350 --> 01:45:23,159 lots to divide 2099 01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:27,170 This other piece here along Dakota Lane for further 2100 01:45:27,170 --> 01:45:29,680 commercial use and I'll answer any questions 2101 01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:36,680 Don't see me. Thank you 2102 01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:41,000 This is a public hearing anyone who would like to come 2103 01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:43,119 speak on this item, please come forward at this time 2104 01:45:43,119 --> 01:45:45,119 I do not have any cards 2105 01:45:46,039 --> 01:45:48,039 Before me on this item 2106 01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:56,439 I 2107 01:46:09,119 --> 01:46:09,119 There's anybody that would like to speak on this item, 2108 01:46:09,119 --> 01:46:13,000 please come forward at this time 2109 01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:21,960 Seeing none I will close the public hearing and I will open 2110 01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,359 This item up for discussion or emotion 2111 01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:28,479 commissioner back 2112 01:46:32,359 --> 01:46:34,920 I move that we approve this item. Okay, I 2113 01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:40,539 Think we've got a clarification on a housekeeping item 2114 01:46:40,539 --> 01:46:40,800 record 2115 01:46:44,119 --> 01:46:46,119 Okay, all right 2116 01:46:47,239 --> 01:46:50,340 The item won't affect our ability to vote on this right now 2117 01:46:50,340 --> 01:46:53,340 . So we have a first the chair would entertain a second 2118 01:46:53,340 --> 01:46:54,039 commissioner Taylor 2119 01:46:54,039 --> 01:46:56,039 second the first and a second 2120 01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:02,359 For approval is there any discussion on this item? 2121 01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:07,420 Seeing none we have a first and a second for approval and I 2122 01:47:07,420 --> 01:47:10,239 will call for a vote on the board 2123 01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:19,920 Got you 2124 01:47:22,279 --> 01:47:24,560 Motion carries six to zero I 2125 01:47:26,239 --> 01:47:30,060 Will move us to our public hearing item B. I will open that 2126 01:47:30,060 --> 01:47:33,420 item for public hearing it will be Z 2127 01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:35,119 16 - 2128 01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:38,960 0 0 1 7 and we've Haley will present that as well 2129 01:47:47,239 --> 01:47:49,239 Yes 2130 01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:55,760 So this is a zoning case for the st. John Paul II 2131 01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:59,760 University pastoral Center 2132 01:48:01,159 --> 01:48:03,229 Presented the full case earlier in the work session. So I 2133 01:48:03,229 --> 01:48:05,359 'll just do a summary now unless there are any questions 2134 01:48:05,359 --> 01:48:07,359 I'd be glad to go through the rest of the presentation 2135 01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:10,319 So the property is located on the east side of McCormick 2136 01:48:10,319 --> 01:48:11,840 Street just south of Eagle Drive 2137 01:48:12,079 --> 01:48:14,630 Just just south of the University of North Texas campus 2138 01:48:14,630 --> 01:48:16,960 currently it is zoned dr. 1 2139 01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:20,390 That's downtown residential 1 and the proposal is to rezone 2140 01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:23,039 it to a downtown residential 2 zoning district 2141 01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:25,510 It's comprised of three lots that are all owned by the 2142 01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:27,000 Catholic Diocese of Fort Worth 2143 01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:30,470 Their plan is to replant these as one lot and develop it as 2144 01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:33,960 a pastoral Center for primary use by students on campus 2145 01:48:35,039 --> 01:48:39,100 and after considering this staff found that the dr2 2146 01:48:39,100 --> 01:48:41,659 district conforms with the future land use designation for 2147 01:48:41,659 --> 01:48:43,380 this area which is neighborhood university 2148 01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:46,289 Compatibility area and it's also consistent with the 2149 01:48:46,289 --> 01:48:49,319 surrounding mix of uses of the property and the surrounding 2150 01:48:49,319 --> 01:48:50,840 mix of zoning districts 2151 01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:53,680 Which are all in the downtown residential grouping of zon 2152 01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:57,760 ings. So with that in mind, we recommend approval of z 16 0 2153 01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:58,500 0 1 7 2154 01:49:00,359 --> 01:49:02,359 Any questions for Haley? 2155 01:49:05,039 --> 01:49:07,039 Soon on thank you 2156 01:49:14,319 --> 01:49:16,319 So we have one card 2157 01:49:18,159 --> 01:49:20,470 Wishing to speak on this particular item. It may be a 2158 01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:21,399 missed mark 2159 01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:25,520 We'll go ahead and call for Lee Allison if he would like to 2160 01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:26,960 speak on this item 2161 01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:29,960 Otherwise, I will hold his card 2162 01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:33,029 Again, this is a public hearing. Is there anyone else that 2163 01:49:33,029 --> 01:49:35,479 would like to speak on this item at this time? 2164 01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:35,840 If so, please come forward and state your name and address 2165 01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:41,039 and you'll have four minutes 2166 01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:47,000 Seeing none I'll close the public hearing and 2167 01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:50,520 The chair will entertain a motion or open for discussion 2168 01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:53,520 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you chair. I had a 2169 01:49:54,159 --> 01:49:56,470 Couple of questions in work session. I was wondering if the 2170 01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:59,600 applicant might be present they could address our 2171 01:50:00,319 --> 01:50:05,039 if you could if you don't mind coming down to the mic and I 2172 01:50:05,359 --> 01:50:10,039 Was curious if this project will also use the property on 2173 01:50:10,039 --> 01:50:10,800 Avenue a 2174 01:50:11,399 --> 01:50:13,640 Which I believe is also owned by the diocese 2175 01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:16,520 If you will, please state your name and address 2176 01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:19,760 Craig Bond with the KJE. We're the civil engineer on the 2177 01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:22,869 project and we're looking at 500 Mosley Road and Crossroads 2178 01:50:22,869 --> 01:50:24,520 . Great. Thank you, sir, but 2179 01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:27,960 To my knowledge 2180 01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:31,050 Those two properties. I understand that it's a small chapel 2181 01:50:31,050 --> 01:50:31,880 and some offices 2182 01:50:32,439 --> 01:50:36,399 But could we get the map up is somebody listening that can 2183 01:50:36,399 --> 01:50:37,720 turn on the map on the screen? 2184 01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:42,750 Which have the two existing lots are like nine and ten that 2185 01:50:42,750 --> 01:50:46,649 are to the northeast and that's where the small chapel is 2186 01:50:46,649 --> 01:50:46,960 the small offices 2187 01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:50,090 But you know, we don't have anything to do with that at 2188 01:50:50,090 --> 01:50:51,359 least from the civil standpoint 2189 01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:55,050 Okay, so our task was to take those three residential lots 2190 01:50:55,050 --> 01:50:58,119 get them replatted and then you know, lay out the parish 2191 01:50:58,119 --> 01:50:58,279 center 2192 01:50:58,279 --> 01:51:01,640 So at this time there's not any plan to connect back 2193 01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:04,119 through the back of the lot into that other property 2194 01:51:04,119 --> 01:51:06,750 Not that I'm aware of at one time we were trying to replat 2195 01:51:06,750 --> 01:51:07,800 all five lots, but 2196 01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:11,000 There was some issue with the we weren't going to be 2197 01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:14,039 allowed the number of drives that we needed 2198 01:51:14,359 --> 01:51:18,279 So they abandoned that and just replatted the three lots. 2199 01:51:18,279 --> 01:51:19,000 Thank you 2200 01:51:26,359 --> 01:51:28,670 Again we've closed the public hearing so if there's other 2201 01:51:28,670 --> 01:51:31,560 discussion of Commissioner Taylor 2202 01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:33,800 Thank you chair 2203 01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:38,609 I would like to make a couple comments and make a motion so 2204 01:51:38,609 --> 01:51:40,119 this area if you look at the zoning map is 2205 01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:44,500 Really checkerboarded this this block and the blocks 2206 01:51:44,500 --> 01:51:47,560 immediately to the south and to the to the west 2207 01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:52,319 Every block has one parcel that doesn't match any other 2208 01:51:52,319 --> 01:51:54,359 parcel that touches it in zoning the 2209 01:51:55,159 --> 01:51:57,479 There you know a roughly one-third 2210 01:51:58,039 --> 01:52:01,159 DCN and DCG one third ddr1 and dr2 2211 01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:05,159 and this area is probably 2212 01:52:06,119 --> 01:52:09,020 All appropriate as dr2 and some of it would be appropriate 2213 01:52:09,020 --> 01:52:09,880 as DCN or DCG 2214 01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:13,000 And so I think this is something that 2215 01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:16,159 We need to clean up as a city to have more consistent 2216 01:52:16,159 --> 01:52:16,680 zoning 2217 01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:20,220 There's one lot at the end of this little street. That's DC 2218 01:52:20,220 --> 01:52:21,800 G which would allow 2219 01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:27,000 a 20 story apartment building on a 50 foot wide lot and 2220 01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:30,430 Then it's surrounded by dr1 which would be single family 2221 01:52:30,430 --> 01:52:32,939 homes or maybe a garage apartment behind a single family 2222 01:52:32,939 --> 01:52:33,239 home 2223 01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:37,460 And so this this rezone helps make this area more 2224 01:52:37,460 --> 01:52:38,439 consistent 2225 01:52:39,239 --> 01:52:41,239 and you know this 2226 01:52:41,399 --> 01:52:42,359 there 2227 01:52:42,359 --> 01:52:45,689 Is very little that you could do in dr2 here that would be 2228 01:52:45,689 --> 01:52:48,439 inappropriate for the campus affected area 2229 01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:50,840 So I I move approval 2230 01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:54,649 To in order to and I would love to see some more rezones 2231 01:52:54,649 --> 01:52:55,960 come up in this area 2232 01:52:56,520 --> 01:53:00,039 so that we can make this a consistent zoning and allow 2233 01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:04,850 planning not lot by lot but area, you know in the entire 2234 01:53:04,850 --> 01:53:06,840 region in the entire zone of the city 2235 01:53:11,399 --> 01:53:13,399 Commissioner back 2236 01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:15,800 Go ahead and bring in 2237 01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:18,600 I'm seconding the motion. Okay 2238 01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:21,960 If I first and second I'm open the floor for discussion 2239 01:53:23,239 --> 01:53:24,520 Yes, so I'm 2240 01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:26,520 Mr. Hedgepest. Thank you chair 2241 01:53:27,399 --> 01:53:28,119 I 2242 01:53:28,119 --> 01:53:31,579 I wanted to echo something that came up in work session as 2243 01:53:31,579 --> 01:53:31,880 well 2244 01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:34,279 I think Commissioner Ellis makes a good point 2245 01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:37,930 As and I guess it's a conversation for us and for staff as 2246 01:53:37,930 --> 01:53:38,920 we move forward 2247 01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:41,479 Assuming it passes 2248 01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:45,000 I want to have special attention paid to traffic and 2249 01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:49,560 How we're going to manage that the extra cars or or 2250 01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:52,199 whatever falls underneath our control 2251 01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:56,579 Because I think that's going to be I have a sense. That's a 2252 01:53:56,579 --> 01:53:56,840 concern 2253 01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:00,130 And so I want to make sure we we're sensitive to that in 2254 01:54:00,130 --> 01:54:01,880 the in the planning phases 2255 01:54:02,199 --> 01:54:04,199 Assuming it moves forward 2256 01:54:05,399 --> 01:54:07,789 Just for clarification, I think we talked about that in 2257 01:54:07,789 --> 01:54:09,479 work session that with this rezoning 2258 01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:12,970 The criteria for parking they will have to stay within that 2259 01:54:12,970 --> 01:54:14,600 and if for some reason they need more parking 2260 01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:18,340 They'll have to come back here to to get additional parking 2261 01:54:18,340 --> 01:54:19,399 through an adp. So 2262 01:54:20,039 --> 01:54:23,670 I think that concern is addressed with this rezoning. So 2263 01:54:23,670 --> 01:54:25,000 thank you for bringing that back up 2264 01:54:25,319 --> 01:54:27,560 Would you like to follow up? Well, yes 2265 01:54:28,359 --> 01:54:30,359 Yes, and I may be 2266 01:54:30,600 --> 01:54:34,359 On thin ice so I'll talk slow so y'all tell me stop but 2267 01:54:34,359 --> 01:54:36,439 even even if it's a street sign 2268 01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:40,039 Or something like that, you know, I think if we have to 2269 01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:44,680 Manage ins and outs. Let's let's do that. Okay. Thank you 2270 01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:47,560 Commissioner Beck 2271 01:54:49,159 --> 01:54:52,520 Thank you chair and I don't want to downplay the concern 2272 01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:54,279 for parking it is a legitimate concern 2273 01:54:54,279 --> 01:54:57,760 I just wanted to I get a sense though that a lot of the 2274 01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:00,920 traffic here is probably going to be pedestrian and cycling 2275 01:55:01,239 --> 01:55:02,760 This is for students 2276 01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:05,659 And I think the majority of people that are going to come 2277 01:55:05,659 --> 01:55:08,220 to this place are going to be walking from the camps to do 2278 01:55:08,220 --> 01:55:08,439 that 2279 01:55:08,439 --> 01:55:11,250 So but again not downplay the need for parking. Obviously 2280 01:55:11,250 --> 01:55:12,760 there's going to be staff and 2281 01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:15,800 We needed for that. So that's all I have 2282 01:55:16,439 --> 01:55:18,439 great 2283 01:55:20,119 --> 01:55:22,449 Seeing no other discussion. I have a first and a second for 2284 01:55:22,449 --> 01:55:25,180 approval and call for a vote on the board 2285 01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:49,460 The motion carries six to zero we'll move us to our final 2286 01:55:49,460 --> 01:55:51,880 item on our agenda this evening the 2287 01:55:52,439 --> 01:55:54,699 project matrix and concluding items 2288 01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:10,520 No items this evening 2289 01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:15,720 The list isn't going to get longer, okay 2290 01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:20,069 Well with no additional concluding items or things to be 2291 01:56:20,069 --> 01:56:21,800 put on our project matrix 2292 01:56:22,039 --> 01:56:25,640 I will close our meeting at 7 12 this evening. Thank you 2293 01:56:25,640 --> 01:56:26,300 very much