1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,200 24th it is 6 15 and this meeting has been duly posted and 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,000 we have a quorum 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,750 present and I call the meeting to order at this time our 4 00:00:08,750 --> 00:00:10,160 first order of business 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,169 on our work session is to receive a clarification of agenda 6 00:00:14,169 --> 00:00:15,519 items and I 7 00:00:15,519 --> 00:00:20,600 believe Julie Wyatt is going to present for us this evening 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:21,719 . Good evening I'm 9 00:00:21,719 --> 00:00:26,280 Julie Wyatt senior planner with the City of Denton. For FP 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,679 16 18 staff is 11 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:31,070 requesting that this be tabled there's a development 12 00:00:31,070 --> 00:00:32,399 agreement associated with 13 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:36,409 this plat. It was not completed yesterday at City Council 14 00:00:36,409 --> 00:00:38,640 so we're asking this be 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,079 tabled until the next P&Z meeting I believe it's September 16 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:46,320 14th. Okay and looks 17 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,429 like the other item and the other item the applicant has 18 00:00:49,429 --> 00:00:50,640 actually withdrawn 19 00:00:50,640 --> 00:01:00,189 this final replat so short meeting. All right well is there 20 00:01:00,189 --> 00:01:01,359 any other items we 21 00:01:01,359 --> 00:01:06,400 have before I close our work session tonight then? Okay 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,000 well at 6 17 we'll 23 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,379 close our work session and we may have a couple other items 24 00:01:13,379 --> 00:01:14,519 to talk about before 25 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:18,480 we come back at 6 30 thank you. 26 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:28,310 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Planning and 27 00:01:28,310 --> 00:01:31,599 Zoning Commission 28 00:01:31,599 --> 00:01:37,049 meeting for August the 24th it is 6 32 this meeting has 29 00:01:37,049 --> 00:01:38,959 been duly posted and a 30 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,079 quorum is present and I call our meeting to order at this 31 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:43,439 time our first order of 32 00:01:43,439 --> 00:01:43,439 business will be to stand and give the pledge to the US and 33 00:01:43,439 --> 00:01:48,840 the Texas flag. 34 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,849 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 35 00:01:53,849 --> 00:01:58,689 America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation 36 00:01:58,689 --> 00:02:05,040 under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 37 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:10,919 Honor the Texas flag I pledge allegiance to the Texas one 38 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,759 state under God one and 39 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:16,240 indivisible. 40 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:25,710 The next item on our agenda this evening will be to 41 00:02:25,710 --> 00:02:31,319 consider the approval of our 42 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:36,560 meeting minutes for July the 27th. 43 00:02:42,159 --> 00:02:48,090 Commissioner Bribble. I motion yes let's approve those 44 00:02:48,090 --> 00:02:50,840 minutes. Okay I have a first 45 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:56,000 motion. Commissioner Dotto is. Okay we have a first and a 46 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,479 second for approval of the 47 00:02:57,479 --> 00:03:02,879 minutes any discussion? Seeing none I'll call for a vote on 48 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:05,199 the board. 49 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,039 Motion carries 7-0. At our work session both of the items 50 00:03:18,039 --> 00:03:21,520 that we have this 51 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,409 evening we have got changes to so I'm going to announce on 52 00:03:25,409 --> 00:03:26,840 our consent agenda 53 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:26,840 our item FP 16 - 0 0 1 8 that has been continued to yeah I 54 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:41,360 'm going to it's it 55 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,650 would you need a motion for it okay so I'm going to request 56 00:03:44,650 --> 00:03:46,000 a motion for that 57 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:51,000 to be continued to date certain of September the 14th. 58 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,520 Commissioner Rizzo. I 59 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,000 motion to move that item to date certain since our 14th. 60 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:56,919 Thank you. 61 00:03:56,919 --> 00:04:00,759 Commissioner Beck. I take an emotion. Okay the first and a 62 00:04:00,759 --> 00:04:04,319 second any discussion? 63 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,199 Seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board. 64 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:19,240 Motion carries 7-0. That moves us to our public hearing 65 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,279 section. This item our 66 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,769 item FR 16 - 0 0 1 1 has been withdrawn by the applicant so 67 00:04:27,769 --> 00:04:29,079 that will move us 68 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:33,240 to our final item this evening which will be our project 69 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:34,399 matrix and any 70 00:04:34,399 --> 00:04:37,199 concluding items. 71 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:46,519 Commissioner Bruegel. Thank you chair. I know this is my 72 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:49,240 last meeting but y'all 73 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,379 know me well enough to know that I don't give up very 74 00:04:52,379 --> 00:04:54,600 easily so there are a list 75 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,740 of things that I want to make sure that y'all are still 76 00:04:57,740 --> 00:04:59,399 aware of in the coming 77 00:04:59,399 --> 00:05:02,810 weeks and months and years because I'll be watching make 78 00:05:02,810 --> 00:05:04,160 sure you're taking care 79 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,009 of this stuff the first thing was tiny houses I brought 80 00:05:07,009 --> 00:05:09,240 this up before we have 81 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,920 a affordable housing crisis and shortage in this community 82 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,120 to the point where our 83 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:19,089 nonprofits are losing funding as a result tiny houses might 84 00:05:19,089 --> 00:05:20,439 open that up a 85 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:25,459 bit more to more affordable housing they're currently there 86 00:05:25,459 --> 00:05:26,120 's no current 87 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,620 zoning regulation that will allow for tiny houses to be 88 00:05:29,620 --> 00:05:30,439 built in our 89 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:32,319 community so I would like for the planning and zoning 90 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:32,920 Commission and 91 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,629 eventually for City Council to address this issue and make 92 00:05:36,629 --> 00:05:37,839 sure that they can 93 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:42,180 be zoned appropriately to open up the housing market the 94 00:05:42,180 --> 00:05:43,439 next thing is the 95 00:05:43,439 --> 00:05:48,490 bike plan you may recall and not too long ago this chambers 96 00:05:48,490 --> 00:05:49,399 these chambers 97 00:05:49,399 --> 00:05:54,120 are packed with cyclists we have made a commitment to our 98 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,800 citizens five or six 99 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,079 years ago when we had a bike plan that was approved by City 100 00:05:59,079 --> 00:05:59,920 Council by planning 101 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:02,579 zoning and then by City Council that this was something 102 00:06:02,579 --> 00:06:03,720 that was important to 103 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,370 us it's in part of the 2030 plan in addition we are a bike 104 00:06:08,370 --> 00:06:08,800 friendly 105 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,810 community and I want to make sure that as we move forward 106 00:06:12,810 --> 00:06:15,160 with any future 107 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,170 engineering projects any developments that we keep the bike 108 00:06:19,170 --> 00:06:20,560 plan in the 109 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,120 forefront of our minds there are a lot of people just 110 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,079 because I may not ride my 111 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:31,069 bike everywhere across town that doesn't mean that other 112 00:06:31,069 --> 00:06:32,040 people don't and if we 113 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,860 build it they they will ride so I want to make sure that we 114 00:06:34,860 --> 00:06:35,720 're keeping a focus 115 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:41,439 on bike accommodations next Commissioner Dudowitz and I 116 00:06:41,439 --> 00:06:42,480 requested 117 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,089 probably a year ago to just look at the number of bars on 118 00:06:47,089 --> 00:06:48,759 the squares on the 119 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:52,939 square I'll admit some of my favorite places on the square 120 00:06:52,939 --> 00:06:54,160 are the bars so 121 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,519 this is certainly not to single them out but there has been 122 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:00,240 concern raised by 123 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,850 other citizens about the number of bars that are coming up 124 00:07:03,850 --> 00:07:05,319 downtown so I just 125 00:07:05,319 --> 00:07:08,430 want us to once again just look at that what are other 126 00:07:08,430 --> 00:07:10,439 cities doing I know we 127 00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:13,199 can say you know the market will you know even itself out 128 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:14,120 but I just want to 129 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,209 make sure like are there other cities that kind of have a 130 00:07:16,209 --> 00:07:17,240 sort of like a quota 131 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,250 for like what kinds of businesses making sure that we have 132 00:07:21,250 --> 00:07:22,279 a diversity of 133 00:07:22,279 --> 00:07:27,110 businesses on the square so it's not all bars in addition 134 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:28,160 looking at noise 135 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:34,519 ordinances especially on the square there are some again I 136 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:36,720 love I love the 137 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,959 live music scene in Denton some people are concerned about 138 00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:42,319 the noise especially 139 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:46,329 on the square in the evening so just looking at that next 140 00:07:46,329 --> 00:07:47,519 the tree ordinance 141 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:51,009 y'all the longer we wait on this the more trees we are 142 00:07:51,009 --> 00:07:53,279 losing we have to get 143 00:07:53,279 --> 00:07:55,850 this tree ordinance done people have been asking for this 144 00:07:55,850 --> 00:07:57,220 for years so I want 145 00:07:57,220 --> 00:08:01,120 to make sure that we get it done and we get it done quickly 146 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,759 possibly creating a 147 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:07,899 preservation plan is the next thing I was speaking with our 148 00:08:07,899 --> 00:08:08,959 preservation 149 00:08:08,959 --> 00:08:14,519 officer recently and and I think he's got a good idea he 150 00:08:14,519 --> 00:08:16,079 was saying that he 151 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:17,870 has some support from staff but I really would like 152 00:08:17,870 --> 00:08:18,879 planning and zoning to kind 153 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:22,959 of work push this forward we you know I've in my three 154 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:24,519 years on PNC it seems 155 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:27,089 like we're addressing things a little bit piecemeal this 156 00:08:27,089 --> 00:08:27,959 neighborhood needs 157 00:08:27,959 --> 00:08:30,569 this and this neighborhood needs this and how are we gonna 158 00:08:30,569 --> 00:08:31,439 you know preserve 159 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:34,139 our greens our green space and how are we gonna make sure 160 00:08:34,139 --> 00:08:35,159 we have a bike plan 161 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:38,340 and I think if we could have some sort of like cohesive 162 00:08:38,340 --> 00:08:39,720 document to tie it all 163 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,450 together that we'd like pull out of the 2030 plan to make 164 00:08:42,450 --> 00:08:44,240 sure that we have even 165 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,100 more guidance as we're protecting these neighborhoods I 166 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:49,159 think that would be a 167 00:08:49,159 --> 00:08:52,879 good idea so I would encourage PNC to to work with our 168 00:08:52,879 --> 00:08:54,799 preservation officer to 169 00:08:54,799 --> 00:09:00,149 create a preservation plan zero escaping I've asked for 170 00:09:00,149 --> 00:09:01,399 this before I think 171 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:05,179 Bermuda grass is probably an inappropriate thing to be 172 00:09:05,179 --> 00:09:07,399 putting in our 173 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:11,440 our landscape requirements because it is so water intensive 174 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:12,519 we may not be in a 175 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:15,159 drought now but that's not to say that next year you know 176 00:09:15,159 --> 00:09:16,480 we couldn't be so I 177 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,620 don't think Bermuda grass ought to be included in our in 178 00:09:20,620 --> 00:09:21,720 our landscape 179 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:27,070 requirements I think we ought to encourage multifamily and 180 00:09:27,070 --> 00:09:28,559 commercial 181 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:34,440 developments to use more zero escaping additionally when a 182 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:35,840 business in 183 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,000 particular has a hard time maybe meeting their landscape 184 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:39,799 requirements or their 185 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:42,639 tree canopy I'm thinking specifically about like the CVS 186 00:09:42,639 --> 00:09:43,600 that was just built 187 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,340 on oak and hickory in that area they had a hard time 188 00:09:47,340 --> 00:09:48,720 meeting their their tree 189 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,080 canopy wouldn't it have been cool if we had something to 190 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:52,840 encourage them to do 191 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,600 like a rooftop garden or solar panels right we just kind of 192 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:58,639 like let it slide 193 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:00,909 and we got what we got but I think we could have gotten 194 00:10:00,909 --> 00:10:02,480 more so I'd like to 195 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,129 encourage that let's like the really get creative with some 196 00:10:05,129 --> 00:10:07,960 of the stuff and 197 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:13,759 that's a that's about it but before I wrap it up I just I 198 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:14,600 would like to thank 199 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,809 the Commission for this opportunity to serve for the last 200 00:10:18,809 --> 00:10:20,559 three years I'll be 201 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,169 honest when I found out that this seat was open I had 202 00:10:24,169 --> 00:10:26,679 encouraged Councilman 203 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,600 Engelbrecht to nominate my husband for this position 204 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:30,879 because I thought my 205 00:10:30,879 --> 00:10:34,419 husband was much more qualified for this than I was and and 206 00:10:34,419 --> 00:10:36,240 the more that 207 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,740 Councilman Engelbrecht and Adam talked about this the less 208 00:10:39,740 --> 00:10:41,399 and less Adam was 209 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:44,110 interested in the more and more I got interested in all of 210 00:10:44,110 --> 00:10:45,960 this it took a lot 211 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,840 of discernment because I didn't think I was smart enough 212 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:49,919 and I didn't think I 213 00:10:49,919 --> 00:10:52,840 was ambitious enough and I think a lot of women in 214 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,679 particular probably have the 215 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,269 sort of like imposter syndrome which is probably why when I 216 00:10:58,269 --> 00:10:59,519 first signed up for 217 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:01,809 PNZ there was only one other woman it was Jean Schake who 218 00:11:01,809 --> 00:11:02,519 was our chair at 219 00:11:02,519 --> 00:11:07,100 that time she was term limited off a year later and for a 220 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:08,360 solid year I was the 221 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,399 only woman up here there were no other women on City 222 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:13,519 Council and now we have 223 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:16,159 three women on City Council I'm still the only woman on PNZ 224 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:17,799 next week we'll 225 00:11:17,799 --> 00:11:21,269 have another woman on PNZ but there was only be one let's 226 00:11:21,269 --> 00:11:23,519 be honest so I just I 227 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:27,029 would like to thank Councilman Engelbrecht for appointing 228 00:11:27,029 --> 00:11:27,440 me to this 229 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,450 position like to thank the Planning and Zoning Commission 230 00:11:30,450 --> 00:11:31,440 for treating me as 231 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:36,000 your equal and I think a lot of the hang-ups that I had 232 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:36,720 about this probably 233 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,610 came more from me than it came from you and I learned a lot 234 00:11:40,610 --> 00:11:42,000 about this city in 235 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,600 the last three years but I also learned a lot about myself 236 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,360 so I just I just want 237 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:51,259 to thank you and I may not be here in this seat but y'all 238 00:11:51,259 --> 00:11:52,480 know me I ain't going 239 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:57,539 away so I'll be out there keeping an eye on you and that's 240 00:11:57,539 --> 00:11:58,240 it I'm gonna drop the 241 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:11,399 mic thanks thank you anybody else no okay well thank you 242 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:13,679 both for your years of 243 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,250 service and our next meeting we'll have a celebration to 244 00:12:18,250 --> 00:12:19,759 thank you for all the 245 00:12:19,759 --> 00:12:24,759 time that you've given I know when you sit on this 246 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:27,519 Commission from out there in 247 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:30,539 the public you don't know what goes into preparing for 248 00:12:30,539 --> 00:12:32,279 meetings and the calls that 249 00:12:32,279 --> 00:12:37,440 are brought in and the questions and can we bend your ear 250 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,559 and that is behind the 251 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,830 scenes that nobody sees certainly in the public and so both 252 00:12:42,830 --> 00:12:43,960 of you all are fully 253 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,840 aware of that and I want to thank you for your time not 254 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,120 only here but all the 255 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,259 things that go on outside of sitting on the dais to go into 256 00:12:51,259 --> 00:12:52,200 serving on the 257 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,440 Planning and Zoning Commission I think both of you all have 258 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:55,519 done a fantastic 259 00:12:55,519 --> 00:12:58,980 job and you'll be sorely missed so look forward to a 260 00:12:58,980 --> 00:13:00,480 fitting celebration in a 261 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:08,480 couple weeks and thank you again with that nothing else 262 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:09,399 this evening and I'm 263 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:15,519 going to close our meeting tonight at 645 thank you