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>> Donning commission meeting, the time is 5.05 on August

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10th, 2016.

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We do have a quorum present.

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The first item of business for this work session is

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clarification of agenda items for the regular session.

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So I guess we'll call it 2A?

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>> Correct.

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>> Okay, so Cindy Jackson is up to, are there any questions

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, I guess, about item 2A, about the ADP?

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>> You can present them if you don't mind.

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>> Cindy, would you like to make a presentation?

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Thank you.

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>> Definitely. >> Thank you.

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>> Okay, for the record, I am Cindy Jackson, senior planner

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with the planning department, and I'm here to present to

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you ADP 16-5.

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I placed, I gave each of you an updated landscape plan.

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This landscape plan has corrected tree canopy numbers as

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well as landscape area.

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We're here tonight to consider the approval of an alternate

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development plan, an ADP, for

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the construction of a 5,947 square foot medical clinic with

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parking located between the building and the street.

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Building orientation away from the street and an

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alternative front landscape buffer.

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The subject site is located at 4304 Mesa Drive.

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Here's Mesa right here, and it's a double frontage street

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site.

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We've got I-35 frontage road right behind it to the east.

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There are three, I'm sorry, the site is sown regional

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center commercial downtown, our CCD.

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The applicant is requesting three deviations from the Dent

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on Development Code tonight.

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The first deviation is with regards to the orientation of

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the building, section 351313 3A3.

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The primary orientation of a building shall be towards the

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street rather than the parking area.

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The applicant is requesting to orient the building to the

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south.

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The reason for this request is to ensure that it will

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relate to the adjacent property located to the north.

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This is also one of their clinics right here.

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There's two buildings, one here and one that extends right

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here.

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And this is an extension of their facility.

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They want to, what they're trying to do is create a campus

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like atmosphere.

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And these will be connected through the walkways right here

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.

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To mitigate for this, the applicant is proposing a covered

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walkway with brick columns to facilitate the access of

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staff and

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pedestrians towards the side entrance of the building.

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This is what the building would look like from Mesa Drive.

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And this is the south side of the building where the

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entrance is, and you can see right here.

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These columns, as you see when I show you some site

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pictures, also relate to the adjacent facility.

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So they're trying to tie it in a little bit architecturally

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.

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The second deviation is with regard to the location of the

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parking.

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Section 351313 3C1 requires all parking areas to be located

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behind the building or

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on one or both sides of the building.

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They are requesting to have the parking in front of the

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building along Mesa Drive.

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Again, this also relates to the existing site that's

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adjacent to the north.

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The applicant states by locating the parking between the

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building and the street that will aid in,

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again, the desired campus like environment they're trying

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to achieve.

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The last deviation is regard to the landscape buffer due to

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the alignment of the street with the site.

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What we have is a tapered landscape buffer.

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Section 351310C3 of the DDC requires that parking lot shall

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be separated from the street

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frontage by a 15 foot landscape area to reduce visual

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impacts.

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And that a landscape berm with a maximum of one to four

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sides slope on both sides shall be designed

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within that 15 foot landscape buffer to help screen the

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parking lot.

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They are unable to present the 15 foot rectangular and

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they cannot put the berm in because of the drainage of the

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site.

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The site will drain to Mesa Drive and putting a berm in

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would impede the drainage.

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As mitigation for that, they are providing a landscape

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buffer that is 19 feet at the south end and 10 feet wide at

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the north end.

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The area of that landscape buffer is larger than the area

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that you would get for

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regular 15 by whatever the frontage is, landscape buffer.

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I have the numbers here.

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I'm sorry, I don't have them, but I can get them for you.

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In addition, instead of, in lieu of the berm,

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they are installing a three foot high wrought iron fence

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with 45 shrubs along Mesa Drive.

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The open nature of the wrought iron will facilitate the

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drainage and still provided additional screening for the

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parking lot.

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They are also providing additional mitigation.

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The trees that they are planting all over the site

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will be four and a half inch caliper trees instead of the

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required two inch caliper trees.

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Initially, this will provide a larger canopy for the site.

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However, once the trees are fully grown, you will achieve

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the same canopy as if they had put in a two inch tree.

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They are providing 10% parking lot landscaping.

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7% parking lot landscaping is required, so there are 3%

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above the requirement.

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They are providing 58% parking lot tree canopy.

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Only 15% parking lot tree canopy is required, and this is

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43% above the parking lot tree canopy that is typically

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required.

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The street trees that they are planting along the I-35

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frontage road,

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according to our DDC, only three trees would be required

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along here.

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However, they're doubling the number of trees to six.

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And here's some site photos.

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This is a view of the subject site from Mesa Drive looking

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towards the northeast.

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You can see right here, this is the existing health clinic

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that the applicant owns today.

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And then this is a view of the site towards Mesa Drive from

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the northeast.

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This is the existing clinic, and you can see the columns

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that I mentioned.

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They're a little hard to see behind the cars, but they're

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there.

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And this is the adjacent site, it's a vacant office

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building.

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The application meets all the criteria for approval of ADP

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as outlined in your staff report.

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Staff recommends approval of this request subject to the

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following condition,

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which is the proposed development shall substantially

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comply with the approved site plan, landscape plan, and

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building elevations.

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And that concludes my presentation.

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>> Commissioner Beck.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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I was reading in there on the east side, which faces the

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interstate.

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They're talking about future plans to expand on that side,

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I believe, and then they'll create parking over there too.

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Was there something, and I think I read this in there,

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where that east facing wall was going to allow for another

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entryway, or was I reading that right?

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>> Well, if they are able to actually build the second

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phase,

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the front of the building will be towards I-35.

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We don't know if that will even be possible.

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This line that you see right here, this is the proposed

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text dot right of way for the widening of I-35.

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>> Okay.

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>> And it hasn't been finalized yet.

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Text dot hasn't finalized that.

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They haven't indicated what the schedule is for the

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improvement.

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So to be honest, we don't know if that phase will ever

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happen at this point.

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>> Okay, thank you.

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Any other questions for staff?

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Commissioner Taylor.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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If we could stay on this view, I had a few questions

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regarding

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just how our general landscape regulations work.

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I think this is a really good example.

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In the updated landscape plan we have, it indicates that

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this is a 50,000 square foot parcel.

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And that these 23 trees and

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shrubs will provide 26,000 square feet of canopy.

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>> That's correct.

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>> So as an example of, in our discussions about any

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changes to tree ordinance,

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this would be a 50% canopy coverage, or 51, 52% canopy

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coverage,

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by planting these 21 large trees and two great murdles.

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I was curious, the 700 square feet of existing canopy, that

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's all removed in this plan, is that correct?

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>> Pardon me?

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>> That's all going to be removed in this plan?

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>> Yeah, the existing trees are actually within the

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building footprint.

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>> Okay, and so the proposed tree code would actually

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require them to have kept some amount like 30%?

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>> Yes, they will have to comply with the existing tree

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code.

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>> Right, and so they would have had to maybe move the

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building or do something else if they use the new tree code

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.

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Because the new tree code would not have allowed complete

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removal, the future tree code, proposed tree code.

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Because they wouldn't have been able to remove every single

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tree from the lot.

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>> Well that, I'm not sure of.

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>> Correct.

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>> Yeah, and I know you're not.

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I'm just trying to, just thinking this all through because

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I'm sure in two weeks we're going to be talking about this

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again.

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So it's great to have a real example that we can say, here

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's an example.

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Now, this is showing 56% parking tree canopy or something

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like that, 50.

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>> Yes.

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>> And I've always been confused by this calculation.

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And I don't know if you can explain it or if-

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>> I'll be honest, I've tried to figure it out myself.

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I've worked here eight years and I'm not familiar with how

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to calculate the tree canopy.

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I've tried to.

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I've had no one explain it to me several times and I'm

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sorry.

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>> Yeah, and so I'm guessing in order to get to 12,000

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square feet of parking lot canopy,

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basically every tree within 15 or 20 feet of the parking

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lot just counts.

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Even if, like the ones 10 feet away that have a 30 foot

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diameter,

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they're only going to be throwing a quarter of their canopy

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onto the pavement, so to speak.

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That they're in the proximity of the parking lots that they

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count, is that correct?

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>> Mm-hm, that's correct.

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>> But then the pavement count is, like the pavement square

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footage,

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does it only include the pavement or does it also include

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all of those medians and stuff around?

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>> For a parking lot, we only include that concrete that is

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part of the parking lot.

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So it would be here and here.

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>> So those little islands that have the trees at the end,

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those would not be included in the parking lot?

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>> These islands are part of the parking lot trees.

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>> Well, the trees are, but the mulch and grass doesn't

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count in the pavement, is that correct?

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>> No, because it's not pavement, it's pervious.

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>> Right, okay.

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So like I said, it's really good to just have an example to

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look at.

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Thank you.

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>> Sure.

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>> Commissioner Beck.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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To move along with the 12,000 square feet of canopy that

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this is a high-end pavement square,

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is that when the trees are mature or is that?

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>> It's for when they're mature.

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>> Okay.

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>> I don't think they quite make it right now.

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Any other questions?

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Thank you.

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>> Sure.

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>> Next item up would be, Cindy, you may want to stay.

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>> I need to go.

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>> Next item would be 2B, consider approval for an ADP for

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the construction of another medical clinic this side on the

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other side of town.

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And again, it's Cindy Jackson.

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>> Okay, again, for the record, I'm Cindy Jackson, senior

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planner with the planning department.

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I'm presenting to you tonight.

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This is ADP number 16-009.

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There we go.

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This is a request for approval of an alternative

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development plan for the construction of a 5,200

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square foot medical office with parking located between the

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street and the building.

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The subject site is located at 3201 Med Park Drive.

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You can see this right here.

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It's zoned regional center commercial neighborhood, RCCN.

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The applicant is requesting a deviation from section 3513,

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133C1, which requires all parking areas to be located

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behind the building or on one or both sides.

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The applicant is proposing to provide this parking, which

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you can see right here,

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a lot between Med Park Drive and the front of the building

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to ensure the site layout of the proposed new medical

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office

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will mirror the adjacent site right here, which you can see

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here's the building,

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here's the parking, and here's the landscape buffer.

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This was also approved by ADP, ADP 8-16.

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And it is going to be a mirror,

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a mirror of the approved landscape plan that was approved

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in 2008.

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Will be the same, the parking locations will be the same,

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and the building orientation will be the same.

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The proposed 15 foot landscape buffer will include, as

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required,

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four large trees planted for every 40 linear feet, which

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you can see right here.

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Two foot high berm and 48 landscape shrubs that you can see

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along here.

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In addition to that requirement, they are also providing

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three ornamental trees

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in between the large trees to add further screening for the

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parking lot.

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This is exactly the same type of landscaping that was

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approved here.

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I'm going to have a picture of it later on in my

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presentation.

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The additional mitigation that the applicant is providing

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is an overall open space of 30,

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they provide 15%, I've got it backwards here, I'm sorry.

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Providing 34.63% open space and required is 15% open space.

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The open space you can see is located here and it is very

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much like the open space on the adjacent lot.

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This is all easements, they're public utility easements,

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drainage easements, and floodway easements located here.

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And in the pictures you can see here's the public utility

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easement, which is an overhead power line.

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And right here you can see the drainage way, and it curves

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up around the back of the property.

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This is the site itself right here, looking at it from Med

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Park.

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This is the approved landscape buffer for the adjacent site

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with the berm, the trees, and the ornamentals and shrubs.

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This application as presented, it meets all the

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requirements and

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the criteria for approval of an alternate development plan.

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Staff therefore recommends approval with the condition that

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the proposed development shall substantially conform to the

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approved site plan and landscape plan.

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That concludes my presentation.

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>> Any questions?

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>> Yeah. >> Commissioner Dadovitz.

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>> Just for clarification, the property's across the street

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, across Med Park.

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>> Did they get deviation approval because they have front

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parking also?

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>> Let me see here.

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Correct, did you see that?

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>> Yes, they did.

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>> Okay, so where- >> Across the street, they got an ADP

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for

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front parking and they also got a variance on the number of

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parking spaces.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Commissioner Rossell.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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For clarification, excuse me, and maybe some context, if

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someone can help me out.

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The zoning RCCN, does it have the same requirement that the

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building be facing the street as does RCCD?

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>> Yes.

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>> So there's a requirement by both of those for the

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building to face forward, but both of those have a

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requirement that parking cannot be in the front.

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So by code, you have to park on the side or behind the

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building and walk around to the front?

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>> Mm-hm.

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>> Can someone help me understand maybe from just like a

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architectural or what's the rationale behind that?

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Why not have the- >> The rationale is to prevent having

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walls of concrete facing the street at interest to the

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street character.

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Many times when you have an entrance facing the street,

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there's additional entrances around the building as well.

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To facilitate the people who are parking behind the

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building or at the sides.

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>> If I can.

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>> Okay. >> Chair.

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>> Sorry, Commissioner Taylor.

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>> Yeah, just wanted to expand on that.

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>> Please.

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>> Yeah, so this is in order to give greater character from

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the street and

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prevent either a sea of parking lots or the backs of

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buildings just being all of the street face.

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That's the idea behind street facing buildings.

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And I believe it was added in the 99 code revisions site.

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So it's been around since 1999.

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And you'll see a lot of places now in town where they've

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begun to do that.

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And they typically have rear entries, if you will.

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But they'll have a facade on the front of the building that

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makes it appealing to the street.

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And you can tell what the business is from the street.

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But then you pull around to the parking lot and there's

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walkways and entrances on the back as well.

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Things like medical offices will usually have one big

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entrance on the front that may not get used very much.

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And then five or six entrances on the back.

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A shopping center, same thing.

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I have an entrance on the hard corner front and

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then another entrance on the corner facing the parking lot

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behind it.

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Like the CVS at Avenue B and is that Oak?

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And so again, it's just to prevent, especially in town

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areas,

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to prevent having just a sea of parking as you drive down

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the street.

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>> Gotcha.

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>> Kind of bring the life to the street.

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>> It just adds to the whole character of the street and

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makes it much more walkable and

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more pleasant for pedestrians as well as just the

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appearance.

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>> Yeah, no, I appreciate the context of help.

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I'm just trying to wrap my brain around it.

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If I was building a building, you basically have to build

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two entrances per building, it sounds like.

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If you're a developer, you have to make this beautiful one

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for the street that no one's going to use.

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I'm not looking to change, I'm just trying to understand

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what we're going to look at.

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>> Yeah, and it does seem, I mean, I get it.

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There's a really fantastic book called The Geography of Now

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here that talks exactly about this,

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about you have these little islands of concrete and nothing

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's really connected.

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So I get the intention, especially in our comprehensive

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plan,

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if we want to be building more transportation modalities

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than just cars,

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then we need to make it appealing for people who do want to

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walk.

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But considering this part of town, and considering that the

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people who are going to be going to this side of town

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probably are not in the best of health, right?

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So it seemed to me to make more sense rather than asking

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every applicant to apply for

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a new ADP to maybe somehow have some sort of overlay so

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that everything is cohesive,

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where you are going to have the parking lot between the

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street and the building.

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So it seems like there's still much more to be built out

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there, and I don't know if that's something that the rezone

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committee could look at.

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But just to kind of save some staff time and save the

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applicant some money too.

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>> I believe that's something that is being looked at, isn

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't it, Manal?

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>> We are revisiting the, eventually we hope to have a

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contract signed and

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moving forward with the overall of the Denton Development

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Code.

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However, when it comes to the city initiated rezoning

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committee that we have,

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the purview related to development code would not be there

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as it would be.

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But it's something we can definitely look at and visit.

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We're already addressing and looking into the thresholds

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for an alternative development plan as well.

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And we should be presenting that eminently to the planning

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and zoning commission.

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And let's determine why variances are being requested and

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what variances actually need to come forward.

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>> Commissioner Dadovitz.

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>> I kind of agree with what you're saying.

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You're making it more business friendly.

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Parking it back, you have to move around.

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I think a good solution is what we're seeing here is adding

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the tremendous amount of landscaping,

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the buffers and the trees which are softens that hard

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parking parking only and entrance.

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But a business should be allowed to pick what's best for

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them and their clients and yet,

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but having an aesthetic view of a street view that is not

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concrete like we have some places here.

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So I think this is a good solution.

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It complements what's next door.

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We've already made changes across the road.

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>> And if you look at the previous case that I just

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described with the building oriented to the side,

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if you look, it's a medical clinic and if you look, let me

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go back to that.

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They have a drop off area for patients at the side here.

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>> I understand, yeah.

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But I think the landscaping solves a lot of problems and

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that may be something to look at in the future.

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I think that is an alternative.

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>> Did you have a question?

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>> Yeah. >> Commissioner Taylor.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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Actually, to follow up on one of your comments, we

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obviously have large areas of town that are car centric.

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They are oriented toward highways.

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They, 98% of the people that get to those buildings get

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there by driving.

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But if we just, if we make overlays or zones that allow

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this or

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require the car centric design and parking up front,

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we will be permanently writing them off to never be

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pedestrian friendly.

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And in this case, this is very car oriented.

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It's right next to the interstate, very close to loop 288.

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But it's also maybe 200 or 300 yards from the train station

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.

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And there is some residential, some apartments down there

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that try and make that area walkable.

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You could live in the apartments and walk to the train

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station, take the train to work or whatever.

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And so for us to, I'm very leery of just declaring that

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either entire zoning categories or

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entire areas of town don't have to be designed for

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pedestrians or to be pretty or things like that.

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I think there is a balance here because we'll see a lot of

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these ADPs that's nothing more than we want the parking lot

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in front.

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And in this case, it's matching the surrounding area, but

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the first one in that area did it that way.

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And of course, if the first building went in with the

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building of the street and the parking lot behind,

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probably none of this block would have had ADPs.

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Everybody would have just matched the existing built

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structure.

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>> Who approved that?

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I'm just kidding.

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That's a very good point though, yeah.

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>> So there is the case of you have to start the

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transformation to building toward the street.

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>> I have a question about landscaping.

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I'm going to jump in here.

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I had requested this a long time ago for us to look at when

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they're, so they have an ADP and

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so they have to make certain accommodations, there's a

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little give and take.

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And one of that is, well, let's see what we can do to

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improve the landscape requirements and put some more green

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there.

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I'm curious why Bermuda grass is still included in the

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landscape requirement.

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When we, though we're not in a drought now, it wasn't too

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long ago that we were.

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And I had asked about reviewing some of this, looking at

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more zero escaping requirements,

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especially in cases of ADPs, so that they're using less

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water intensive landscaping materials.

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Seems like that could be a good give and take.

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So has there been any, is that something we can talk about

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now?

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Any progress on that?

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>> Absolutely, if you recall, and I do recall your question

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that came up at one of our meetings.

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And I believe the landscape ordinance currently does have a

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zero escaping element to it.

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It does have a component in there.

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And although it's not, in terms of ADP, what are you doing?

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Can you add zero escaping to that?

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We are looking at, as we're reviewing our tree code, as it

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relates to preservation and mitigation,

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we're also going to dive subsequently after that into our

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tree landscaping screening and landscaping.

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>> I'm glad that that's in there.

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I don't feel that Bermuda grass ought to be, though it's

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pretty,

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I don't think it necessarily meets our goals and our

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comprehensive plan of being a sustainable city.

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>> Sure.

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>> Because it's so water-

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>> I'd caution you were going a little bit out of the items

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.

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>> Okay, sorry.

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I just would like for us to address that in the future now.

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>> No, definitely.

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>> All right, thank you.

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Any other questions for staff?

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Okay, thank you, Cindy.

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>> Okay, the next item would be 3A, public hearing, rez

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oning from NR4 to NRMU.

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Mike, did you want to give a presentation on this?

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Is there anything that you want to, the applicant has

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requested that we continue this until September 14th.

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>> I don't have a presentation that I'd be happy to answer

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any questions.

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>> I'm sorry, did you hear the applicant has?

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>> They requested to continue this until September 14th, so

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we won't be hearing this item tonight.

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>> Correct, I don't have a presentation prepared, but I'm

00:28:32.410 --> 00:28:33.920
happy to answer or

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look into something for you for the September 14th meeting

00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:37.680
if there's something you were curious about.

00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.359
>> Just curious, is there a reason for the postponement?

00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:44.410
>> They're looking to see if they can make it work without

00:28:44.410 --> 00:28:45.400
the rezoning.

00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:47.279
I think that's what we're looking at, so.

00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:48.559
>> I'm sorry, make it pass?

00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:49.759
>> They're trying to- >> Without the rezoning?

00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.269
>> Really don't need the rezoning to make their project

00:28:52.269 --> 00:28:52.720
work.

00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:53.640
>> Commissioner Dedowitz.

00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:56.960
>> Okay, having said that, you're recommending denial.

00:28:58.279 --> 00:28:58.799
>> Right.

00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.400
>> Okay, can you give us the reasons?

00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:04.960
>> Well, all the reasons were outlined in the backup, but

00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:05.960
specifically,

00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:08.789
it's intrusion into a single family neighborhood that if it

00:29:08.789 --> 00:29:10.279
were anywhere else in town,

00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:12.970
you probably wouldn't see any support for that type of rez

00:29:12.970 --> 00:29:13.480
oning.

00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:14.880
That's essentially what it is.

00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.960
>> The reason I bring that up is because as I look at it,

00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.119
and I would probably agree with the denial because

00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:22.609
what we've been trying to do with some of our rezoning

00:29:22.609 --> 00:29:24.559
committees looking at what's there now and

00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:27.319
all of a sudden now we're going to pop in a different zone

00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:29.839
and then we're going to go back to this hodgepodge.

00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.200
Peninsula sitting in residential areas.

00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:36.160
So, but they're going to continue it.

00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:36.680
Thank you.

00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:39.519
>> Commissioner Beck.

00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:43.039
>> I'd like to address the elephant in the room thing.

00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:45.910
This if I can, maybe this isn't the right time, but a

00:29:45.910 --> 00:29:46.960
notification.

00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:49.839
I noticed a bunch of notifications went out.

00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:51.799
And again, this is something I brought up before.

00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:55.329
And I talked about this and I hope, you know, want to get

00:29:55.329 --> 00:29:56.559
an update where we're at.

00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.789
This is a good example of a bunch of notices going out and

00:30:00.789 --> 00:30:02.480
not a single one responding to it.

00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:05.839
So just want to cite that here.

00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:09.789
>> Actually, I actually do have some responses, but because

00:30:09.789 --> 00:30:10.880
we weren't hearing it tonight,

00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:13.000
they came in after the staff report was prepared.

00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:15.369
We typically do because of the time it takes for people to

00:30:15.369 --> 00:30:18.200
get the notices and pick them up and send them back.

00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:20.329
Sometimes they're not always ready by the time the report

00:30:20.329 --> 00:30:20.839
goes out.

00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:22.799
And that's when we bring them to the actual meeting.

00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:24.390
Because we weren't hearing it tonight, I didn't bring them

00:30:24.390 --> 00:30:24.799
with me.

00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:25.960
But there are a few.

00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:26.460
>> Okay.

00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.400
>> And we will be coming back with that process as well.

00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:31.960
>> Thank you. >> We have not forgotten.

00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:32.460
>> Okay.

00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:38.720
>> So I think what will happen tonight, this is my only,

00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.819
love when you guys throw curve balls at me when I step into

00:30:42.819 --> 00:30:43.680
chairs.

00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:45.680
>> At least we didn't change the agenda.

00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:46.880
>> That was mean last time.

00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:51.049
>> So I think what we're going to do is, well, I'll open

00:30:51.049 --> 00:30:51.960
the public,

00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.079
at the start of the meeting I'd like to inform anyone in

00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:56.119
the audience that we're going to continue it.

00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:01.039
But I'll open the public hearing and then someone will make

00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.279
a motion to continue this item.

00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:05.799
>> You'll have to do it prior to opening the public hearing

00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:06.039
.

00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:08.559
Unless you're in the public hearing and you want to

00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:10.119
continue it to another day.

00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:11.079
And then you'll-

00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:12.640
>> You would just say the item is being continued.

00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.240
>> Right. >> The item is being continued.

00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:16.720
And we don't need to make a motion to continue it then.

00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:18.799
>> No, not if you're in the public hearing.

00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.599
Do you want to republish it or are they withdrawing it or?

00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:23.640
>> We'd like to open the public hearing and postpone it.

00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:24.160
>> Okay, okay.

00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:24.660
>> Yeah.

00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:27.279
>> You can move me in during the break and just tell me

00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:27.960
what I got to say.

00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:29.000
Okay.

00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:29.920
Great.

00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:30.440
Thank you.

00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:37.319
Okay, and then 3B, hold another public hearing for

00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.599
another rezone request from NR2 to NRMU.

00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:42.920
This was, is this the Ryan High School?

00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:44.240
Teasley, Teasley.

00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:45.240
Yes, Teasley.

00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:46.279
Yes, okay.

00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:50.480
And that one, who's doing the staff report?

00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:52.599
Please, join us.

00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:53.119
Thank you.

00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:55.759
There you are, Haley, I see you there.

00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.079
There's a lot of words in that one.

00:31:59.079 --> 00:31:59.880
>> Yes, there are.

00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:01.559
>> You were at the very end.

00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:02.279
Thank you, Haley.

00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:05.440
>> So for the record, Haley Zagurski, Assistant Planner.

00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.720
And this is case Z1610, Teasley Lane High School Edition.

00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.839
So the request is to consider making a recommendation to

00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:14.759
City Council regarding a rezoning of

00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.019
approximately 80.49 acres from both the neighborhood

00:32:18.019 --> 00:32:19.960
residential two zoning and

00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:23.009
a neighborhood residential mixed use zoning district to

00:32:23.009 --> 00:32:24.599
community mixed use general.

00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:27.849
As well as establishing an initial zoning of approximately

00:32:27.849 --> 00:32:29.799
1.67 acres from the rural

00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:33.579
residential RD5X designation to community mixed use general

00:32:33.579 --> 00:32:33.799
.

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The property is comprised of three parcels located on the

00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:39.920
east side of Teasley Lane.

00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:43.400
You can see parcel one is approximately 70 acres.

00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:45.720
That's where the existing Geyer High School is.

00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:48.039
Parcels two and three are located just south of that and

00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:49.119
are currently undeveloped.

00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:53.589
The surrounding area is comprised of quite a bit of rural

00:32:53.589 --> 00:32:55.359
residential land.

00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:57.279
There's some single family development in the area.

00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.849
Adjacent to the east is the Hickory Creek mobile home park

00:33:00.849 --> 00:33:01.160
and

00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.279
then there's an industrial park across the street.

00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.000
Currently it has a mix of three zonings.

00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:09.799
The largest portion being NR2.

00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:15.839
The parcel that is NRMU was rezoned from NR2 in 2008,

00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.759
but the development that was intended there never occurred.

00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:23.319
And then parcel three is split between NR2 and RD5X.

00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:27.319
Approximately 1.6 acres of it were annexed in 2013 and

00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:29.400
given the RD5X designation.

00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.599
So the Denton plan, our comp plan future land use map,

00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.440
shows this being a community mixed use area.

00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.509
So that would be encouraged predominantly commercial use

00:33:40.509 --> 00:33:43.079
with complimentary residential service and

00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.720
institutional uses such as high schools.

00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.309
The intent being to complement the existing uses that are

00:33:48.309 --> 00:33:48.920
in the area,

00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:51.460
encourage higher design standards, and accommodate

00:33:51.460 --> 00:33:52.319
connectivity.

00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.410
So the considerations for this case, the CMG district is

00:33:58.410 --> 00:34:00.720
consistent with that future land use designation.

00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.369
With the property being in close proximity to so many

00:34:04.369 --> 00:34:05.720
single family neighborhoods,

00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:10.179
those uses are supported by this high school's continuation

00:34:10.179 --> 00:34:11.000
in the area.

00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:13.920
This also promotes some walkability and bicycling in the

00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.000
area with all the single family uses surrounding it.

00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:20.429
And I wanted to note as well that private high schools are

00:34:20.429 --> 00:34:25.039
not permitted within the NR2 and RD5X zoning districts.

00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:28.900
But state law dictates that DISD can develop in any zoning

00:34:28.900 --> 00:34:29.840
district.

00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.039
So this rezoning would eliminate an existing nonconformity.

00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:40.119
The 1.67 acres that were recently annexed as RD5X do not

00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:43.199
meet the minimum five acre requirement for the RD5 zoning

00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:44.079
district.

00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:45.960
So this would eliminate that nonconformity.

00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:49.909
The school is intending to expand onto these properties and

00:34:49.909 --> 00:34:52.199
would like to replat as one lot.

00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.460
They can do that with the current three zoning designations

00:34:55.460 --> 00:34:57.760
, but it would create some complications because

00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:59.829
all of the general regulations for each of those zoning

00:34:59.829 --> 00:35:02.099
districts would still apply to those pieces of the property

00:35:02.099 --> 00:35:02.320
.

00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:06.309
And so providing a unified zoning designation would

00:35:06.309 --> 00:35:09.639
consolidate all of their development requirements and

00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:12.159
help them streamline that process moving forward.

00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.460
And in some cases it may even be necessary to allow them to

00:35:15.460 --> 00:35:18.699
comply with these regulations for them to have that unified

00:35:18.699 --> 00:35:19.159
zoning.

00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.460
Because otherwise any deviation would need to go before ZBA

00:35:21.460 --> 00:35:21.639
.

00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:25.559
So these are the general regulations for the four zoning

00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:28.480
districts under consideration here.

00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.929
You can see for RD5X they're already nonconforming with

00:35:31.929 --> 00:35:34.159
that five acre size requirement.

00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:36.650
And if you go down the list and look, you'll see that some

00:35:36.650 --> 00:35:37.760
of these requirements,

00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:42.320
such as RD5X having 15% lot coverage as a maximum, might be

00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:44.750
challenging for them to meet in the future as they seek to

00:35:44.750 --> 00:35:45.480
redevelop.

00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:48.250
So the CMG column there on the far right shows you what

00:35:48.250 --> 00:35:50.519
they would be looking to move towards.

00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:55.440
And just some views of the site.

00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:58.320
This is on the north side of the campus from Teasley Lane.

00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.829
Here's the south side of the campus where you can also see

00:36:01.829 --> 00:36:05.320
that corner parcel that is currently undeveloped.

00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:09.289
And here's a view from the south at the intersection of Te

00:36:09.289 --> 00:36:10.039
asley and

00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.539
Old Alton Road that shows the two currently undeveloped

00:36:12.539 --> 00:36:13.159
parcels.

00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.429
Notice was sent out on this and no responses have been

00:36:17.429 --> 00:36:18.559
received.

00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.630
And staff is recommending approval of this as it's

00:36:23.630 --> 00:36:25.519
supported by the future land use and

00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:28.250
the surrounding property uses support the continuation of

00:36:28.250 --> 00:36:29.159
the current use.

00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:30.199
So I'll stand for any questions.

00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.559
>> Just want to confirm and clarify.

00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:38.579
All these parcels, one, two, and three, are the property of

00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:39.159
DISD.

00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:43.360
And in usage will be what DISD dictates.

00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.199
>> Yes, they're all under common ownership.

00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:45.920
>> Okay, great, thank you.

00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:50.039
>> Okay, quick question.

00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:54.710
I can't recall if we've seen a case recently where we have,

00:36:54.710 --> 00:36:57.199
there's like three different

00:36:57.199 --> 00:36:59.690
zoning classifications that were all lumping into one

00:36:59.690 --> 00:37:00.599
public hearing.

00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.679
And I understand why we're doing it this way.

00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:05.159
Is that common that we do do that?

00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:08.840
>> Yes, you can do it separately or you can do it combined.

00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.429
The advantage of doing it in this manner is because it's a

00:37:11.429 --> 00:37:12.559
cohesive approach.

00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:13.920
It's comprehensively reviewed.

00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.199
It's a single ownership property.

00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:15.199
And it just makes more sense because we've already got

00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:20.679
existing facilities on that site,

00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.300
the majority of the site, we have three parcels that are

00:37:23.300 --> 00:37:26.239
just hanging out there with different zoning designations.

00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:28.079
So we're just bringing it all together as one.

00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:28.840
>> Just curious, thank you.

00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:30.510
>> So if it's single ownership, they can bring the law

00:37:30.510 --> 00:37:31.000
forward.

00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.869
Or you can do it, even if it was separate ownership, you

00:37:34.869 --> 00:37:37.320
could notify it in a way,

00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.199
word it in a way that would accommodate each person, each

00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:41.239
owner's request.

00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:43.150
>> Thank you. I was just kind of curious about that, so

00:37:43.150 --> 00:37:43.639
thank you.

00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:45.880
Any other questions for staff?

00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:49.760
Thank you, Haley.

00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:50.260
>> Thank you.

00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.960
Next item would be 3C.

00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:59.719
>> Julie.

00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:03.699
>> This is the PD down on Crawford Road, and that would be

00:38:03.699 --> 00:38:06.079
Julie Wyatt presenting this.

00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:06.679
Thank you, Julie.

00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:07.920
>> Sure.

00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:08.880
Lots of PDs tonight.

00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:11.480
All right.

00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.280
This request before you is a rezoning for the Ranchview

00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:17.000
Specialty Hospital.

00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:19.960
I'm Julie Wyatt.

00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:21.440
Senior Planning Department.

00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.800
>> [LAUGH]

00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:26.710
>> The request before you is to consider making a

00:38:26.710 --> 00:38:28.280
recommendation to city council regarding

00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:36.329
a rezoning from PD 138 to RCCN on approximately three acres

00:38:36.329 --> 00:38:36.880
.

00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:41.559
The subject property is located along I-35W, just north of

00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:42.559
Crawford Road.

00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:46.519
I'll go into the request a little bit.

00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.460
The applicant is requesting this rezoning in order to

00:38:49.460 --> 00:38:53.920
develop the property with a specialty hospital and

00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.280
associated medical office out parcels.

00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.340
But remember, when we look at a zoning, we look at all the

00:39:00.340 --> 00:39:02.719
uses in the zoning district, not just that use that they're

00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:03.400
proposing.

00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.409
The current zoning of the property, and here is the subject

00:39:09.409 --> 00:39:10.800
property, sorry, it's a little.

00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:16.039
Is PD 138.

00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:21.920
It is the last part of PD 138 that was approved in 1991.

00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.679
That concept plan was approved in 1991.

00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.400
A detailed plan, it was never developed.

00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:30.679
A detailed plan was never approved for that PD.

00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:37.119
And much of the, or all of the rest of the PD, and I'll

00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.119
show you the concept plan in a minute,

00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:43.960
was rezoned and taken into Hunter Ranch MPC.

00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:49.000
So the adjacent zonings are the Hunter Ranch MPC across I-

00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:50.880
35, as well as some RCR1.

00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.880
You have adjacent to it, to the east, Country Lakes West.

00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:58.579
That's another planned development, and although it's the

00:39:58.579 --> 00:40:02.639
same green as PD 138, it's actually a different PD.

00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:06.760
So this is the limit of what's left of PD 138.

00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.920
This Country Lakes West is another PD.

00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:13.309
There is a detailed plan that's approved for this Country

00:40:13.309 --> 00:40:16.780
Lakes West, and it is a single family residential plan

00:40:16.780 --> 00:40:18.519
development.

00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:22.219
This area is an open space, and it's encumbered by FEMA

00:40:22.219 --> 00:40:23.320
floodplain.

00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:28.340
To the south is RCCN, and that is the zoning district that

00:40:28.340 --> 00:40:29.960
they're requesting.

00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:32.679
This NRMU here is actually a mapping error.

00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:36.440
We checked the zoning when this was zoned for RCCN.

00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:38.840
So that NRMU is actually just a mapping error.

00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.920
Here's the original, just for your information, the

00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:47.039
original PD for Hunter Ranch.

00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:51.739
It was intended to be a business park, an industrial

00:40:51.739 --> 00:40:52.880
complex.

00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:55.000
It took up quite a bit of acreage.

00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:57.519
It went all the way up I-35W.

00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.800
The subject property is this little bit right here.

00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:05.199
I'm not sure why it was left out of the taking in most of

00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.679
the PD to the current Hunter Ranch MPC.

00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:11.010
I would imagine because it's kind of out down here by

00:41:11.010 --> 00:41:12.599
itself, so it's just a remnant of that.

00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:18.119
The future land use designation is low density residential.

00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:21.949
When we look at the comp plan and we look at analyzing a

00:41:21.949 --> 00:41:25.280
rezoning request, we first look at the future land use

00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:26.039
designation.

00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:29.460
And in this instance, it doesn't match with their

00:41:29.460 --> 00:41:30.599
requesting.

00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:37.039
The future land use map is kind of a 30,000 foot view of

00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.559
how we want the city to develop.

00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:43.360
And so when you scroll, when you go down to a parcel layer,

00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.010
it doesn't always make a lot of sense when you get real

00:41:47.010 --> 00:41:48.119
close to it.

00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:51.139
So in this instance, we wanted to move out a little further

00:41:51.139 --> 00:41:56.800
and you'll see that there is adjacent future land use of

00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:59.159
neighborhood mixed use near it.

00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:03.699
But when we looked at that, that doesn't really fit maybe

00:42:03.699 --> 00:42:07.199
the intent of what the area is going to be.

00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:10.239
This is adjacent to I-35W.

00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:11.880
It's on a primary arterial.

00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:15.480
And so we had to look a little further at it because it's

00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:19.280
not really meeting the future land use designation.

00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:21.760
So we looked at the specific site.

00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:22.760
We got a little closer in.

00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:25.320
And we see here's I-35.

00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:26.679
This is a freeway.

00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:30.610
Here's Crawford Road, the current mobility plan has that as

00:42:30.610 --> 00:42:32.679
the primary major arterial.

00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:37.320
Here's that residential neighborhood, Country Lakes West.

00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:39.239
And here is that flood area.

00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:44.139
So when we look at this access, this type of configuration

00:42:44.139 --> 00:42:46.280
for this access of this property,

00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.219
we really see that maybe low density residential is maybe

00:42:49.219 --> 00:42:51.239
not the most appropriate designation.

00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:55.000
That we really should look at other elements within the

00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.920
dent plan that speak to this zoning case

00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:02.099
and look at it from that 30,000 foot view to see what makes

00:43:02.099 --> 00:43:02.760
sense.

00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.119
So we looked at the preferred growth concept.

00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:14.230
And this map was generated during the public input portion

00:43:14.230 --> 00:43:17.079
of the comp plan update.

00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:22.269
And the residents determine where they want to see growth

00:43:22.269 --> 00:43:24.840
in the city, where they want to see the high growth.

00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:27.800
And you'll see the subject property is just right here.

00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:31.250
And this area was identified as a district that we want to

00:43:31.250 --> 00:43:33.639
see this type of development here.

00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:37.340
We want compact purposeful growth clustered around distinct

00:43:37.340 --> 00:43:38.280
locations.

00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:42.019
And this is one of those areas that was determined as one

00:43:42.019 --> 00:43:44.320
of those distinct locations.

00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:48.539
So this map is really about our metric of what we should be

00:43:48.539 --> 00:43:51.039
looking at when we're looking at this property.

00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:55.190
Particularly because it's on the corner of a freeway, which

00:43:55.190 --> 00:43:56.280
has high visibility and

00:43:56.280 --> 00:44:00.679
high access, and a major arterial, which also has the same.

00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:06.079
A public notification was sent out.

00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:08.119
We received no responses back.

00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:09.800
There weren't a lot of public notifications.

00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:12.440
There weren't a lot of letters sent out for this one.

00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:16.019
But the considerations that we looked at, we looked at

00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:17.880
first the future

00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:20.360
residential development that's coming in this area.

00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:24.840
Robeson Ranch at Build Out will have 7,500 homes.

00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:26.760
You've got the Hunter Ranch MPC.

00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.809
You have Country Lakes West and Country Lakes North that we

00:44:29.809 --> 00:44:31.320
're going to be talking about later.

00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:33.719
So there's going to be a lot of residential development in

00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:34.320
this area.

00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:38.320
RCCN is a logical extension of the current RCCN.

00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:40.239
It's already there today.

00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:46.199
And by rezoning to RCCN, it'll allow a consistent

00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:48.199
development pattern for this area.

00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.650
The proposed RCCN doesn't conform to the future land use

00:44:52.650 --> 00:44:53.320
map, but

00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:56.570
it is consistent with the comp plan and it's consistent

00:44:56.570 --> 00:44:58.840
with the preferred growth concept.

00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.219
It's also appropriate for the location, given the

00:45:01.219 --> 00:45:04.559
visibility and access of I-35W.

00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.860
And these areas at the corner of freeways and arterials are

00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:11.440
really the places we want to see commercial development.

00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:13.559
We want to see them have that kind of access.

00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:15.800
It's probably not the most appropriate place for low

00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:16.960
density residential.

00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:20.760
So those are the considerations we looked at.

00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.420
So based upon that, based upon the criteria, we recommend

00:45:25.420 --> 00:45:26.679
approval of the request.

00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.679
It's compatible with that land use pattern that we're

00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:31.079
seeking in that area.

00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:33.719
And it's also consistent with the goals of the Dent Plan

00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:34.719
2030.

00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:35.960
And I'll stand for any questions.

00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:39.320
>> Commissioner Taylor.

00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:40.840
>> Thank you, Chair.

00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:46.480
I just had a few questions on clarification.

00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:49.789
I've noticed that there seem to be two different

00:45:49.789 --> 00:45:52.719
indications of what is being rezoned.

00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:55.480
Some of them show just a very small parcel and some show a

00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:56.440
larger parcel.

00:45:56.440 --> 00:46:00.119
>> Yes, it is actually, let me go back, sorry.

00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:01.119
Back to trees.

00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:04.599
>> Yes.

00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:06.650
>> I believe one of the maps in the backup here, let's go

00:46:06.650 --> 00:46:07.119
to that.

00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:08.039
That makes more sense.

00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:11.039
I believe maybe a couple of maps in the backup actually did

00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:12.360
include this parcel.

00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.440
That is not a part of this request.

00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:18.320
It actually has the RCC zoning already in place.

00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:21.510
And just to further clarify, there is an additional little

00:46:21.510 --> 00:46:24.630
part down here that's in ETJ that they're actually going

00:46:24.630 --> 00:46:27.000
through an annexation right now.

00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.920
And that will come forward to you again, so that the entire

00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.159
development would have a consistent zoning.

00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:35.480
So I apologize for that, you're right.

00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:39.480
Those maps did have different indications.

00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:42.519
>> And earlier, before the meeting, I mentioned to you that

00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:46.059
it appears there's some grading going on and clearing going

00:46:46.059 --> 00:46:46.440
on.

00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:50.670
But I believe it is on the entire, I guess both parcels,

00:46:50.670 --> 00:46:53.199
the entire triangle of land.

00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:57.030
And I was curious if we have, if that permit is following

00:46:57.030 --> 00:47:00.719
the 1991 regulations or the current regulations.

00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.400
>> In my understanding and talking to our urban forester

00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:11.389
that it was reviewed under current regulations for the RCC

00:47:11.389 --> 00:47:13.360
and zoning district.

00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:17.750
It's not, clearing and grading permits can't be issued

00:47:17.750 --> 00:47:20.000
until a plat is approved.

00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.739
But they can do a clearing and grubbing as long as they

00:47:22.739 --> 00:47:25.239
have an approved tree preservation plan.

00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:28.340
They did go through our urban forester and submitted a tree

00:47:28.340 --> 00:47:31.280
preservation plan and he did approve it.

00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:32.440
I'm looking for it now.

00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:38.210
>> And I guess just to explain to the audience and maybe

00:47:38.210 --> 00:47:39.400
some of the newer members of the commission,

00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:42.960
it took me a long time to understand PDs.

00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:48.679
A PD, a plan development is, it's its own zoning ordinance.

00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:52.480
And they typically are about a page long.

00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:55.429
Some of them are much larger, but often they're very

00:47:55.429 --> 00:47:56.679
limited in scope.

00:47:56.679 --> 00:48:00.280
And all of the ordinances that apply are usually the ordin

00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:03.079
ances that apply when the PD was created.

00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:06.320
So in this case, this thing was created in 1991.

00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:09.840
So it follows all of our 1991 codes.

00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.769
And so that was my question on, there was no tree ordinance

00:48:13.769 --> 00:48:15.199
in 1991.

00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:16.480
>> Correct.

00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.119
>> There were no street facing building requirements in

00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:20.960
1991, so forth and so on.

00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:24.070
And a lot of times we'll have cases where we have a PD

00:48:24.070 --> 00:48:26.800
where they want to do some landscaping.

00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:32.119
But they're trying to meet the current code and they want

00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:33.440
to put in things like trees and

00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:38.250
sidewalks and the code that the PD was enacted under doesn

00:48:38.250 --> 00:48:39.320
't necessarily allow it or

00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:42.489
requires them to adhere to the site plan from 1996 or

00:48:42.489 --> 00:48:45.079
whatever when that car dealership was built.

00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:48.960
So they have to come before us and get an amendment to a PD

00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:52.039
just to be able to put in something that varies from.

00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:56.489
So like I said, that's where this question comes from, what

00:48:56.489 --> 00:48:59.000
ordinances are we following?

00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.949
>> And that's a good segue because with the rezoning they

00:49:01.949 --> 00:49:03.719
would then comply with all,

00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:08.280
any development if the zoning is approved would have to

00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:11.679
comply with all current development code requirements.

00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.639
>> Do you remember where Haywood said he saved that?

00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:17.559
I'm sorry, Manali.

00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:19.280
>> I was just looking at it.

00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:21.440
I'll publicly announce it, Julie, I apologize.

00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:27.079
The files are there with Julie's name on the right one.

00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:29.840
So is it under your folder?

00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:31.000
I don't know.

00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:31.639
>> Maybe.

00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:44.980
>> We can dig through that for the regular meeting should

00:49:44.980 --> 00:49:46.519
we need to apologize.

00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:50.000
>> I'm sorry, I am.

00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:54.199
>> It's okay, do you want to find it during the break and

00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:54.800
then-

00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:56.199
>> Yes, yes.

00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:57.159
We won't waste your time.

00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:58.519
>> It's been taken charge.

00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:00.079
>> All right, that's great.

00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.199
>> Any other questions?

00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:01.719
I'm sorry.

00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:06.250
>> You made mention that this doesn't conform with the

00:50:06.250 --> 00:50:08.280
future land use map, but

00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:11.880
it does conform with the preferred growth designation.

00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:12.480
>> It does.

00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:15.650
We often look at only the future land use map for the comp

00:50:15.650 --> 00:50:16.199
plan, but

00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:19.829
it's a rather large document that has other elements that

00:50:19.829 --> 00:50:21.000
we can look at.

00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:28.840
And in this instance, although it doesn't conform to that

00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:30.880
low density,

00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:34.239
it does conform to that preferred growth concept, which is

00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.800
calling for things like employment,

00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:43.139
retail, high density, residential here, which RCCN does

00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:44.400
conform with.

00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:48.070
So doesn't conform with that future land use element, but

00:50:48.070 --> 00:50:49.760
it does conform with other parts.

00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:53.940
And particularly with the access on 35W, it conforms with

00:50:53.940 --> 00:50:55.400
those elements.

00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:57.920
>> So I brought this up before in my short time here, but

00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.440
there's a conflict of the direction we should take.

00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:03.980
So I guess two questions would be, did the future land use

00:51:03.980 --> 00:51:04.360
map and

00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:07.199
this preferred growth concept come at the same time, or

00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:08.920
which one directed the other?

00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:10.599
>> That's a good question.

00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:14.079
This came first, and the future land use map is based upon

00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:15.880
the preferred growth concept.

00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:20.280
>> So if I understand this correctly, the preferred growth

00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:21.400
concept says that

00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:27.239
that specific area is for high density development.

00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:31.110
>> Moderate density, not as high density as maybe a DCG or

00:51:31.110 --> 00:51:32.880
a RCCD would allow, but yes.

00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.940
>> So moderate density, and based on that, maybe I should

00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:37.800
take that, but maybe it isn't we.

00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:39.949
We determined that the future land use should be low

00:51:39.949 --> 00:51:40.480
density.

00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:43.920
Can you help me how that happened?

00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.400
>> Well, but they looked at not only this,

00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:49.079
there were lots of elements they looked at to create that

00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:50.239
future land use map.

00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.199
So we'll go back here.

00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:56.280
You do have a lot of low density residential here.

00:51:56.280 --> 00:52:00.349
And this map isn't meant to look at to zoom in necessarily

00:52:00.349 --> 00:52:01.639
on the parcel.

00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:04.420
It's meant to kind of come back and say as a whole, how do

00:52:04.420 --> 00:52:06.239
we want this to need to develop?

00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:10.480
So the lines should be blurred.

00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:12.760
It shouldn't be this is this and this is that.

00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:13.960
>> Can I add, please?

00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:14.760
>> Yeah, I'm sorry.

00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:18.590
>> To your comment, if you go back to the future land use

00:52:18.590 --> 00:52:21.000
map, see how blurry it is?

00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:23.840
And that was done on purpose so that we did not have hard

00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:26.239
lines that say it's gotta be this way.

00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:30.199
It allowed us to shift and move and that was prior to you

00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:31.719
coming on board.

00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:34.000
We looked at the future land use.

00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.260
We wanted to give it some ability to reshape itself when we

00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:38.719
got issues like this.

00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:41.280
>> Sure, and I understand that I think that's a good idea.

00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:44.559
It's just, I can think of a half dozen times in which we're

00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:47.170
asking to rezone something that does not meet the future

00:52:47.170 --> 00:52:47.840
land use map.

00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.590
And so it just seems like I'm not sure how urgent we should

00:52:52.590 --> 00:52:55.519
follow the future land use map when it seems routinely

00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:57.590
that we're asking to be zoning something that's not in

00:52:57.590 --> 00:52:59.360
accordance with the future land use map.

00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:01.949
>> That's a really good question because when it doesn't

00:53:01.949 --> 00:53:04.449
follow the future land use map, we should be taking a

00:53:04.449 --> 00:53:05.480
harder look at it.

00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:09.650
There are other area, how would it develop keeping the same

00:53:09.650 --> 00:53:10.480
zoning?

00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:13.840
And so we take an even deeper look at it.

00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:16.320
It's not just a turnkey, yes, that meets it.

00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:19.570
So then development code requires that we take a deeper

00:53:19.570 --> 00:53:22.599
look at it to see if it meets additional criteria.

00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.880
In this case, because of that hard corner that it's on, it

00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:29.079
does meet that additional criteria for approval.

00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:31.670
>> Is there a zoning classification that would meet both in

00:53:31.670 --> 00:53:32.519
this instance?

00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:34.719
>> Low density and-

00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.139
>> And well, that would satisfy both the future land use

00:53:37.139 --> 00:53:39.000
map and the preferred growth concept.

00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:40.599
>> I don't believe so.

00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:41.559
>> Okay, so-

00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:48.039
>> Well, but once again, we have to go take a higher view

00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:49.440
of that future land use map.

00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:52.989
>> No, you're right, there's not one that says, okay, we

00:53:52.989 --> 00:53:57.539
want this to be a mixed use area with compact growth and

00:53:57.539 --> 00:53:58.480
low density.

00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:00.280
You're right, those two things are in conflict.

00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:02.460
>> And when we do see the conflict or the discrepancies

00:54:02.460 --> 00:54:05.039
between the future land use map, the growth projections and

00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:06.000
what's being proposed.

00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:09.250
And assuming that staff is recommending something favorably

00:54:09.250 --> 00:54:11.599
that is in conflict with these two documents,

00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:15.469
then through our comp plan amendments and revisits, it is a

00:54:15.469 --> 00:54:16.920
dynamic document.

00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:21.579
It has a lot of thought put into it, and that does warrant

00:54:21.579 --> 00:54:24.650
amendment to the comprehensive plan or the future land use

00:54:24.650 --> 00:54:25.119
map.

00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:27.900
So that is an exercise that will occur through our long

00:54:27.900 --> 00:54:29.440
range planning function.

00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:30.760
>> Gotcha, thank you.

00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.079
>> Just real quick to clarify the preferred growth concept.

00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.610
It does have land use discussions, but primarily it's to

00:54:37.610 --> 00:54:41.519
show where development is to occur, preferred growth.

00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:43.320
So those are the areas that we identified.

00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:46.409
And knowing that the master plan communities were further

00:54:46.409 --> 00:54:48.949
along, but we did identify that there would be some

00:54:48.949 --> 00:54:51.079
development in that part of the region.

00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:55.710
And as Manala already mentioned, this is a guiding document

00:54:55.710 --> 00:54:57.159
, the comprehensive plan it is.

00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.119
That is, the future land use map is also part of that.

00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:03.800
And so it's not a hard pass as we already discussed.

00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:08.460
And if and when we were developing the future land use plan

00:55:08.460 --> 00:55:08.719
,

00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:11.309
we not only looked at existing what's on the ground, but

00:55:11.309 --> 00:55:12.320
also future plans.

00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:15.570
The master plan communities also dictated what that area

00:55:15.570 --> 00:55:16.440
should be.

00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:19.530
Now we also have PDs, and we looked at PDs as well, and PDs

00:55:19.530 --> 00:55:21.639
informed what that area should be.

00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:25.000
And as I understand it, the PDs adjacent to this area were

00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:28.750
primarily single family residential, so that's why we went

00:55:28.750 --> 00:55:30.039
that direction.

00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:33.639
And maybe we missed that one particular corner.

00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:38.039
It's not a large site to be considered regional center, and

00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:38.159
so

00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:41.119
maybe that was one of the reasons our consultants proposed

00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:42.800
that future land use design.

00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:44.000
That's very helpful. Thank you.

00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:48.000
Commissioner Beck.

00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:52.000
Thank you, Chair.

00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:55.440
The Hunter Ranch NPC, that's the first I've heard of that.

00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.239
Did I understand you right? This is a business district?

00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:00.639
It was in 1991.

00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:02.960
Okay, so it's gone away then.

00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:08.750
The Hunter Ranch is, and I don't have a map to take to show

00:56:08.750 --> 00:56:09.360
you all of the Hunter Ranch NPC.

00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:11.280
Was it both sides of the highway?

00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:13.760
Yes, it's both sides of the highway, it's very large.

00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:17.590
It includes a mix of uses, some moderate density

00:56:17.590 --> 00:56:21.039
residential, some commercial uses, single family uses.

00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:24.000
So it's a really large.

00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:26.199
But it's a thing of the past, though.

00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:28.559
No, this is in place now.

00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.679
It hasn't developed yet, but it's in place now.

00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:33.679
And again, for both sides of the freeway?

00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:35.679
Both sides, all the blue.

00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:39.760
Yeah, okay. So that's encouraging for this then, because it

00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:42.829
seems like what we want to do here would fit into that, I

00:56:42.829 --> 00:56:44.159
would think.

00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.639
Okay, going somewhere else.

00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:47.119
Okay.

00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:51.449
Made a comment here on page 205 in the background, "Exist

00:56:51.449 --> 00:56:56.000
ing trees and possible ESA water related habitat on site may

00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:59.210
restrict development unless the ESA is removed after a

00:56:59.210 --> 00:57:00.320
field assessment."

00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:02.719
So, do we talk about that?

00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:04.719
There are some ESAs on the site.

00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:08.239
There are water, there's water related here.

00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:10.639
There is, and I'm sorry, I don't have a map to show that,

00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:14.250
but there are, there was also a stream buffer here, and I

00:57:14.250 --> 00:57:16.440
think they're working with our water administration

00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:19.039
department to determine if those actually are

00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:21.679
environmentally sensitive areas or if they need to be

00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:22.239
removed.

00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:24.239
So right now they're working with Deborah Vieira.

00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:28.039
If there are ESAs to be shown on the site, then they would

00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:31.980
have to, you know, that could restrict what they could do

00:57:31.980 --> 00:57:33.119
on the site.

00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:35.150
Okay, so that may change the whole character of the site,

00:57:35.150 --> 00:57:36.320
then if they determine that.

00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:36.960
It could.

00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:40.929
Okay. And remove after a field assessment, that would be

00:57:40.929 --> 00:57:41.760
Deborah.

00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:42.400
Yes, sir.

00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:44.400
That would determine it. Okay, great, thank you.

00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.679
Other questions for staff?

00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:51.039
Okay, all right.

00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:53.190
So I've got a question for the commission real quick, or I

00:57:53.190 --> 00:57:54.239
guess for you, Julie.

00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:55.119
Sure.

00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:56.320
We do have some food to get.

00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:58.000
How long is this next presentation going to be?

00:57:58.000 --> 00:57:59.920
Should we take a break and eat while you're doing this, or

00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:00.239
is it?

00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:00.880
You can do that.

00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:01.199
It's fine.

00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:03.199
What would, what do you guys want to do?

00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:04.880
Should we do that?

00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:05.760
Yeah?

00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:06.400
Okay.

00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:08.320
We're going to take a quick five minute break and grab some

00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:12.000
food, and then we'll, do I have to call the time?

00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:12.559
Yes.

00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:13.519
Okay, I'm new to this.

00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:13.920
All right.

00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:15.199
The time is 6.03.

00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:17.380
We're going to take a five minute break, and then we can be

00:58:17.380 --> 00:58:17.599
.

00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:32.480
Thank you.

00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:34.400
Thank you, and welcome back to the Planning and Planning

00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:35.280
Commission meeting.

00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:37.920
It is 6.08.

00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:39.119
Y'all were super fast.

00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:39.519
Thank you.

00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:41.920
And we're going to hear our last item.

00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:44.639
3B, I'm sorry, 3D.

00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:47.039
Again, Julie Wyatt.

00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:50.880
This is item PDA 16-0004.

00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:54.500
I also have the tree preservation plan for the previous

00:58:54.500 --> 00:58:56.539
item we can go over at some point, if you would like as

00:58:56.539 --> 00:58:56.800
well.

00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:57.300
Okay.

00:58:58.880 --> 00:58:59.380
All right.

00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:03.940
All right.

00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:09.519
All right.

00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:11.659
This request before you is to consider making a

00:59:11.659 --> 00:59:14.400
recommendation to City Council regarding a detail plan

00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:19.519
included in Plan Development 174 Country Lakes North.

00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:24.789
The subject property is, first of all, the property is

00:59:24.789 --> 00:59:26.719
situated in the southwest part of Denton,

00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:29.679
and about the same place we were on the previous item.

00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:32.400
Here's John Payne Road.

00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:35.280
This is the newer subdivision in Athens.

00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:39.119
Just a little background.

00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.099
This is a plan development, and we don't get those a lot

00:59:42.099 --> 00:59:42.639
here.

00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:43.840
It's not.

00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:46.329
We don't have plan developments in the current Denton

00:59:46.329 --> 00:59:47.280
development code,

00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.719
but we did have them in the previous code, the 1991 code.

00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:56.619
And this PD was created under the 1991 code, and the

00:59:56.619 --> 00:59:59.679
concept plan was approved in 1999.

00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:01.840
And just a little background on a PD.

01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:06.320
In the 1991 code, it was a two-part process.

01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:09.869
First was the concept plan that set forth the uses, maybe

01:00:09.869 --> 01:00:11.440
the development guidelines,

01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.440
the connectivity throughout the site, and then the second

01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:16.719
part was the detail plan.

01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:18.960
That went a little further into the details.

01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:22.949
So the concept plan would set forth the use, and then the

01:00:22.949 --> 01:00:24.960
detail plan would come back, come thereafter.

01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:29.639
The detail plan for this PD was for the residential portion

01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:31.440
was approved in the year 2000.

01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:39.420
Now to look at that detail plan, here it is, and there are

01:00:39.420 --> 01:00:41.440
residential homes.

01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:44.389
There's also, we call them detention areas, but they're

01:00:44.389 --> 01:00:45.280
actually for drainage.

01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:48.230
They're for water to drain into, and then there's also

01:00:48.230 --> 01:00:51.039
pocket parks that were spread throughout.

01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:53.550
There were two areas that were left out of this detail plan

01:00:53.550 --> 01:00:53.760
.

01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:56.179
If you look at the yellow bottle, it says that these detail

01:00:56.179 --> 01:00:58.000
plans will be submitted at a later date.

01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:03.800
These were for the private amenity center here in red, and

01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:06.079
then a school site in blue.

01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:10.949
So today, the applicant has come forth with a detail plan

01:01:10.949 --> 01:01:12.480
for the amenity center.

01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:16.349
And just to let you know, this, the concept plan as well as

01:01:16.349 --> 01:01:18.000
detail, this detail plan,

01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:22.480
set the location and the use for this amenity center.

01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:24.780
Now we're just kind of looking at how it's going to all be

01:01:24.780 --> 01:01:25.519
put together.

01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:28.000
So let's look at the site plan.

01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:29.440
Here's just the overall site plan.

01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:31.039
We'll go into the specific elements.

01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:35.210
First, they're proposing a restroom facility, a kind of cab

01:01:35.210 --> 01:01:36.079
ana area.

01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.510
It will also provide a gate that will limit the access to

01:01:39.510 --> 01:01:40.159
the pool.

01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:45.070
It is a masonry structure, and it is going to be in this

01:01:45.070 --> 01:01:45.840
location,

01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:47.599
and that's the front elevation.

01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:49.920
The rest of the elevations should be in your backup.

01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:55.760
There are also some perimeter gates that are proposed.

01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:57.039
One for the pool area.

01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:00.079
It's going to be a six foot, or it's proposed to be a six

01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:01.519
foot wrought iron fence.

01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:04.289
And then also a six foot wrought iron fence for the dog

01:02:04.289 --> 01:02:04.800
park.

01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:07.360
These will help control the access to these areas.

01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:11.119
There are also some recreation elements.

01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:14.159
The pool area is proposed for right here.

01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:19.619
You've got a putting green right here, a bocce ball, and a

01:02:19.619 --> 01:02:23.199
soccer field, and then playground.

01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:28.000
And then we have the connectivity.

01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:32.329
So the site can be accessed in several ways, one being

01:02:32.329 --> 01:02:33.119
vehicles.

01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:36.320
So the parking area in this is here.

01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:42.400
There are also some bike racks, and a drop off area here.

01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:45.840
And then there are sidewalks throughout the development.

01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:50.719
They connect not only to John Payne, and I believe this is

01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:51.280
Texelma,

01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:55.840
but they also connect behind it to the street behind it.

01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:58.639
So it provides greater access for pedestrian connection.

01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:02.000
Commissioner Beck.

01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:05.039
Texelma, would you point out the Texelma?

01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:06.159
I believe that's Texelma.

01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:07.119
It's not built yet.

01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:14.880
Here's the landscape plan.

01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:21.170
They are proposing trees, about 44,000 square feet of new

01:03:21.170 --> 01:03:22.800
canopy at maturity.

01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:24.559
Not at planting, but at maturity.

01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:28.239
We also work with them to get some landscape, some tree

01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:29.280
buffer here between

01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:33.730
the proposed use and the single family development that's

01:03:33.730 --> 01:03:34.639
adjacent.

01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:39.110
They're also proposing to screen the parking area with some

01:03:39.110 --> 01:03:40.480
shrubbery and trees,

01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:43.519
and then adding just some landscape areas around the

01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:44.639
development.

01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:47.519
Notification was sent.

01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:48.960
Quite a few notices were sent.

01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:52.469
Due to the nature of a plan development, the entire plan

01:03:52.469 --> 01:03:54.880
development needed to be notified.

01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:57.039
And so there were a lot sent.

01:03:57.039 --> 01:04:00.510
And we've received, I'm afraid that this information is

01:04:00.510 --> 01:04:01.280
inaccurate.

01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:02.239
It's a little old.

01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:06.550
I gave you all, I got quite a few notices or responses

01:04:06.550 --> 01:04:07.519
right before I left for here,

01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:09.199
so I didn't update the presentation.

01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:13.760
But we did have some opposition and some in favor.

01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:16.519
Typically the opposition, from what I gathered from the

01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:16.960
neighbors,

01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:20.610
they were concerned about security for the pool, as well as

01:04:20.610 --> 01:04:23.280
HOA dues and traffic concerns.

01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:28.050
Our level of detail and review doesn't go into maybe how

01:04:28.050 --> 01:04:30.480
the HOA functions.

01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:34.630
We just know that it's going to be a private amenity center

01:04:34.630 --> 01:04:35.840
controlled by the HOA.

01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:38.079
The applicant should be here in order to answer any

01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:39.679
questions that you may have regarding that.

01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:46.079
The considerations we use to review the project are in the

01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:47.280
1991 code,

01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:50.960
because it was approved with the 1991 code.

01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:54.099
So a detailed plan can be approved if it complies with the

01:04:54.099 --> 01:04:55.440
general concept plan.

01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:56.239
In this case it does.

01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:59.360
That it provides a compatible arrangement for the buildings

01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:00.079
and land uses.

01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:03.280
It wouldn't adversely affect the adjoining neighborhoods.

01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:06.179
That provides adequate and safe circulation for vehicular

01:05:06.179 --> 01:05:06.639
traffic.

01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:08.820
And that's in substantial compliance with the landscape

01:05:08.820 --> 01:05:09.599
sign subdivision,

01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:10.880
other regulations of the city.

01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:13.199
This detailed plan does conform.

01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:19.030
So staff does recommend approval regarding all conditions

01:05:19.030 --> 01:05:19.840
of approval

01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:23.599
and subsequent modifications of PD 174 shall remain valid

01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:26.159
unless they're specified otherwise

01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:27.599
with this request.

01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:31.750
That the detailed plan landscape plan as submitted shall

01:05:31.750 --> 01:05:33.360
guide the development of the site.

01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:36.880
And that the elevations and site details shall also guide

01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:40.159
the development of the cabana structure.

01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:42.480
So I'll stand for any questions.

01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:44.559
Questions for staff?

01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:45.119
Commissioner Beck.

01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:47.679
Thank you, Chair.

01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:53.599
One of the individuals who sent in a comment on it

01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:54.400
indicated they

01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:56.320
didn't feel like they needed another pool.

01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:59.679
Is there an existing pool in this development?

01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:00.719
And if so, can you?

01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:03.599
Well, there is.

01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:11.840
This is a little unique because here's the plan development

01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:11.840
,

01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:14.239
the limits of it within the city of Denton.

01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:17.150
The pool that they're referring to is actually outside of

01:06:17.150 --> 01:06:19.199
the city of Denton and in Argyle.

01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:21.360
It may be within that HOA.

01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:25.519
So their HOA sounds like it crosses the municipalities,

01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:28.639
but that pool is within the Argyle site.

01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:29.440
Okay.

01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:32.559
And the roads, again, traffic was concerned.

01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:34.480
John Payne, how wide is that?

01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:35.760
Is that just a two-way?

01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:41.920
It is, I believe it's a 50-foot right-of-way.

01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:44.239
So it is a neighborhood street.

01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:48.719
But this amenity center, he's holding up four lanes.

01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:49.440
Okay.

01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:50.559
It's only a four-way.

01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:53.280
This amenity center is intended for just this neighborhood.

01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:54.320
It is not a public one.

01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:55.760
It's not a city of Denton.

01:06:55.760 --> 01:07:00.320
And staff wanted to be careful to make sure that people

01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:02.079
could reach the development in

01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:03.199
a multimodal way.

01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:06.639
So not only cars, but also bicycles and pedestrians.

01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:08.719
So is there street parking allowed there?

01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:13.440
Like any other, I'm not sure if there are any prohibitions

01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:14.320
to parking on that street.

01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:16.239
I didn't see any when I went out to the site.

01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:17.119
Okay.

01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:19.440
But they do accommodate parking on site.

01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:21.809
But I would imagine like any other neighborhood street,

01:07:21.809 --> 01:07:22.880
there could be parking on the street

01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:23.360
as well.

01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:23.760
Thank you.

01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:27.679
So I've got a question.

01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:28.400
Sure.

01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:32.480
Just to be clear what our purview is with all of this.

01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:36.769
When this PD was approved back in the '90s, there was a

01:07:36.769 --> 01:07:39.840
stipulation that said eventually

01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:42.719
there's going to be an amenity center that was written into

01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:43.679
that contract.

01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:44.079
Correct.

01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:44.639
And that, okay.

01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:48.690
But it also required that when the amenity center was to be

01:07:48.690 --> 01:07:50.159
built, it would be brought

01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:50.639
to us.

01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:53.829
So it's not so much whether or not we're approving the amen

01:07:53.829 --> 01:07:54.719
ity center.

01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:57.889
Is it so much as we're looking at the flow of traffic and

01:07:57.889 --> 01:07:59.199
the landscaping?

01:07:59.199 --> 01:07:59.679
Is that something that we can look at?

01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:00.639
The details of the amenity.

01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:02.079
Yes, it's almost like a site plan.

01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:02.079
What it's going to look like.

01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:02.639
Yes.

01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:03.039
Correct.

01:08:04.159 --> 01:08:04.880
Thank you.

01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:05.380
Sure.

01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:12.159
Ma'am, this will be a public hearing.

01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:14.750
And we're going to go in there at about 630 so you will

01:08:14.750 --> 01:08:16.239
have an opportunity to speak at

01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:16.720
that time.

01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:16.960
Okay?

01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:17.439
No, that's fine.

01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:19.039
Hold that thought that we want to hear from you.

01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:19.539
Yeah.

01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:22.159
Any other questions for staff?

01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:25.539
Okay.

01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:26.399
All right.

01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:27.199
Thank you, Julie.

01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:27.699
Sure.

01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:32.319
So I believe, there we go.

01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:34.479
I believe that's it.

01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:37.439
So we're going to close our work session at 619.

01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:42.319
We will reopen our regular session at 630 at which time you

01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:43.680
'll have an opportunity to speak.

01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:46.479
And thank you for joining us.

01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:02.750
Good evening and welcome to tonight's Planning and Zoning

01:09:02.750 --> 01:09:03.359
Commission meeting.

01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:08.000
The time is 633 and it is August 10th, 2016.

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We do have a quorum present and this meeting has been duly

01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:13.039
posted.

01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.859
Our first item of business is the pledge to both the US and

01:09:15.859 --> 01:09:16.800
the Texas flag.

01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:24.289
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

01:09:24.289 --> 01:09:27.119
America and to the Republic for

01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:31.430
which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with

01:09:31.430 --> 01:09:33.680
liberty and justice for all.

01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:40.850
On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one

01:09:40.850 --> 01:09:44.159
state, under God, one, indivisible.

01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:48.579
Thank you.

01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:50.880
A quick housekeeping item.

01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:55.590
If anyone is here for public hearing 3A, that's the public

01:09:55.590 --> 01:09:57.279
hearing for the rezone request

01:09:57.279 --> 01:10:02.079
from NR4 to NRMU on Hedy Street, the applicant has

01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:04.560
requested to continue that item until

01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:08.329
September 14th, so I just wanted to give you a heads up

01:10:08.329 --> 01:10:10.640
that we'll be seeing that next month.

01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:15.609
Our next item on the agenda is an item for individual

01:10:15.609 --> 01:10:17.039
consideration, item 2A.

01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:23.659
That's number ADP 16-0005 and we'll hear from Cindy Jackson

01:10:23.659 --> 01:10:24.079
.

01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:30.550
Thank you, Madam Chair, commissioners, Cindy Jackson,

01:10:30.550 --> 01:10:33.199
senior planner, planning department.

01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:37.890
ADP 16-5 is a request for an alternate development plan for

01:10:37.890 --> 01:10:40.720
the construction of a 9,000, excuse me,

01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:45.119
5,947 square foot medical clinic. The applicant is

01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:48.399
requesting to deviate from three requirements

01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:51.479
of the Denton Development Code. Specifically, they're

01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:53.359
requesting to deviate from the requirement

01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:58.619
for front orientation of the building. They are requesting

01:10:58.619 --> 01:11:00.960
to deviate from the requirement for

01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:05.149
parking at the side or the rear of the building and they're

01:11:05.149 --> 01:11:06.479
requesting to deviate from the

01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:10.789
requirement for a 15-foot landscape buffer. The applicant

01:11:10.789 --> 01:11:13.439
is present if you have any questions.

01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:17.460
Staff recommends approval. Thank you. Are there any

01:11:17.460 --> 01:11:18.640
questions for staff right now?

01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:24.720
Thank you, Cindy. And I do have a card from the applicant,

01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:25.600
Mr. Douglas,

01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:29.439
if you'd like to approach the-- no? Oh, I'm so sorry. Is

01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:30.399
that for a different item?

01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:33.029
I'm actually just the vice chair. I'm just kind of sitting

01:11:33.029 --> 01:11:34.479
in tonight, so you'll be with me.

01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:37.869
Cool. I apologize. Is the applicant here? Yes, sir. Please.

01:11:37.869 --> 01:11:38.319
Thank you.

01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:01.310
Good evening. My name is Rob Hudson. I'm representing

01:12:01.310 --> 01:12:03.520
Health Services of North Texas.

01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:07.109
I work with Sterling Barnett Little Architects located in

01:12:07.109 --> 01:12:11.359
Arlington. We're kind of excited about

01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:15.359
this opportunity to develop property in the Denton area

01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:18.319
with this much-needed health clinic

01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:22.880
for low-income people. I stand for questions.

01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:32.640
Are there any questions for the applicant? No. And before

01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:33.760
you sit down, if you could please

01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:36.949
state your address for the record. My home address or my

01:12:36.949 --> 01:12:38.239
business address?

01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:44.420
Business address is 1000 Ballpark Way, Arlington, Texas. It

01:12:44.420 --> 01:12:48.720
's actually Suite 2076011.

01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:52.890
Thank you. And I see no questions. Thank you, sir. Thank

01:12:52.890 --> 01:12:53.199
you.

01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:59.359
And I see no cards on this item. Commissioner Taylor?

01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:04.149
Thank you, Chair. We went over this in our work session in

01:13:04.149 --> 01:13:07.279
great detail. And I have to commend,

01:13:07.279 --> 01:13:10.710
I do prefer the buildings facing the street, which is what

01:13:10.710 --> 01:13:12.479
our code requires and what this

01:13:12.479 --> 01:13:16.949
ADP is asking to change. But in changing the landscape or

01:13:16.949 --> 01:13:19.279
in changing the layout to allow

01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:22.779
parking in front of the building, you've done a tremendous

01:13:22.779 --> 01:13:24.560
job on landscape. They're adding

01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:29.220
half an acre of canopy coverage to a lot that currently has

01:13:29.220 --> 01:13:32.239
700 square feet of canopy.

01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:36.720
The landscape for the parked area is required to be 15%

01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:40.720
coverage. You're doing like 57% or 58%

01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:43.750
coverage. So it'll be a nice shaded parking lot. You're

01:13:43.750 --> 01:13:46.000
providing a walkway around the side of the

01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:49.449
building that's covered and connects through to the other

01:13:49.449 --> 01:13:52.000
buildings in the area. So I have to say,

01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:55.430
this is a great example of what an ADP can do, where we can

01:13:55.430 --> 01:13:57.840
bend our rules a little and get a

01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:01.520
much better development. So with that, I move approval.

01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:11.840
Commissioner Rossell? I second the motion.

01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:16.689
Is there any discussion on this? Well, then I'm going to

01:14:16.689 --> 01:14:20.560
say something. I think Health Services

01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:23.699
of North Texas is doing a fantastic job in the community.

01:14:23.699 --> 01:14:26.319
Affordable health care is a huge need,

01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:30.199
and I'm in full support of this. I think it's a good plan,

01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:31.119
and I'm glad that you're going to be

01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:34.029
able to serve even more patients in the future. So I'm in

01:14:34.029 --> 01:14:38.159
support. So with that, let's vote on the

01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:41.199
board.

01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:55.479
Motion passes 5 to 0. So the next item of business is item

01:14:55.479 --> 01:15:02.479
2B, an item for individual

01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:07.989
consideration. This is ADP 16-0009. And again, Ms. Jackson?

01:15:07.989 --> 01:15:11.039
Thank you, Madam Chair, commissioners.

01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:12.319
This is a request also for an alternate development plan

01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:17.039
for the construction of a 5200

01:15:17.039 --> 01:15:21.899
square foot medical office with parking located between the

01:15:21.899 --> 01:15:23.520
building and the street,

01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:29.079
located at 321 Med Park Drive. The applicant has met all

01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:31.359
the requirements with regard to

01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:35.560
criteria for approval, and staff recommends approval. And I

01:15:35.560 --> 01:15:37.760
'm not sure if the applicant is

01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:41.850
here. He is here. The applicant is here if you have any

01:15:41.850 --> 01:15:44.159
questions. Thanks. Are there questions

01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:50.159
for staff? Okay. Thank you. Would you like to speak, sir?

01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:52.479
State your name and address for the

01:15:52.479 --> 01:15:55.470
record, please. Good evening, commission. Matt Moore, Clay

01:15:55.470 --> 01:15:57.439
more Engineering, 1903 Central Drive,

01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:01.399
Bedford, Texas, 76021. Here tonight on behalf of Walker Le

01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:04.239
asing, the property owner, there was an

01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:07.590
ADP that was approved on the adjacent office that we're

01:16:07.590 --> 01:16:10.000
really trying to mimic on this next phase

01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:12.489
of the development. We've got some constraints with the

01:16:12.489 --> 01:16:14.239
adjacent floodplain that we're trying to

01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:17.359
work between. So with that, we would ask for your support

01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:19.199
and be happy to answer any questions the

01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:23.149
commission might have. Thank you. And I see no questions.

01:16:23.149 --> 01:16:27.520
So thank you. I also don't have any

01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:31.510
other cards on this item. So I guess I'll open it up for

01:16:31.510 --> 01:16:35.840
discussion or a motion. Commissioner Beck?

01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:39.930
I move that we approve this agenda item. Commissioner Dud

01:16:39.930 --> 01:16:43.359
owitz? Is there any further

01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:48.079
discussion on this? Okay. Then let's vote on the board.

01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:05.289
And again, this item passes 5-0. Thank you. The next item

01:17:05.289 --> 01:17:08.159
of business is item 3A,

01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:13.489
public hearing for Z16-0012. I'm going to open the public

01:17:13.489 --> 01:17:16.159
hearing. However, the applicant has

01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:20.079
requested to continue this item until September 14th. This

01:17:20.079 --> 01:17:21.680
is a public hearing, though. If you

01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:24.090
would like to speak on this, you may. However, that would

01:17:24.090 --> 01:17:25.840
forfeit your turn at the next meeting.

01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:31.609
Is there anyone that would like to speak on this item? Okay

01:17:31.609 --> 01:17:36.319
. Then moving on. Thank you. Item 3B,

01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:41.109
Z16-0010. Hold a public hearing and consider making a

01:17:41.109 --> 01:17:43.359
recommendation to city council regarding

01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:46.449
a rezone request for the Teasley Lane High School Edition.

01:17:46.449 --> 01:17:48.720
And that will be Ms. Haley Zagurski

01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:58.140
presenting this item. Haley? And this is a -- do I open the

01:17:58.140 --> 01:17:59.439
public hearing at this time?

01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:03.199
Correct. Legal? Yes. And I'm going to open the public

01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:04.239
hearing at this time. Thank you.

01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:12.270
Haley Zagurski with the Planning Department. This is item Z

01:18:12.270 --> 01:18:14.960
16-10. The request was to rezone

01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:19.760
80.49 acres from NR2 and NRMU district to the CMG district,

01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:21.439
as well as establish an initial zoning

01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:25.430
of 1.67 acres from the RD5X zoning that was assigned when

01:18:25.430 --> 01:18:28.000
it was annexed to CMG. The applicant

01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:31.460
and owner of all three parcels of land is Denton ISD. And

01:18:31.460 --> 01:18:34.079
staff is in approval of this. Our findings

01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:36.920
that the CMG district conforms with the future land use

01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:38.800
designation and the use is supported by

01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:40.760
the surrounding land use patterns. So I'll stand for any

01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:44.479
questions. I don't see any questions on

01:18:44.479 --> 01:18:51.890
the board. Thank you, Haley. Thank you. Is the applicant

01:18:51.890 --> 01:19:00.479
here and would they like to speak on

01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:05.520
this item? Sir, are you the applicant? Yes, I am. Please

01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:06.640
come forward and set your name and

01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:11.630
address for the record. Thank you. My name is Bill Coleman

01:19:11.630 --> 01:19:14.880
with Coleman and Associates Land Surveying.

01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:17.430
We represent the ISD in this matter and I'm here for any

01:19:17.430 --> 01:19:19.520
questions. Ask that you approve it.

01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:24.279
Thank you, sir. And I see no questions. So thank you. This

01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:28.720
is a public hearing. You are allowed

01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:30.859
three minutes to speak on this item if anyone would like to

01:19:30.859 --> 01:19:32.560
make any comments or have any questions.

01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:37.770
Please come forward, sir. State your name and address for

01:19:37.770 --> 01:19:39.760
the record. And then if you could

01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:42.649
also please fill out a blue card before you leave this

01:19:42.649 --> 01:19:44.640
evening. It would be helpful.

01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:48.109
Sorry, please into the microphone, please, sir, so people

01:19:48.109 --> 01:19:49.439
at home can hear you.

01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:54.479
Okay. My name is Don Padilla and I reside at 5353 Teesson

01:19:54.479 --> 01:19:56.319
Lane, which is right next door to Geyer

01:19:58.000 --> 01:19:59.920
High School. And I don't understand what they're trying to

01:19:59.920 --> 01:20:01.600
tell us that they want to do.

01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:06.399
Can somebody explain that to me? We went over this in our

01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:07.439
work session, but I'm sure we could

01:20:07.439 --> 01:20:11.140
get staff to give another presentation. Is it not going to

01:20:11.140 --> 01:20:13.119
be a high school anymore? Are they

01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:15.479
changing part of that property to become commercial

01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:17.680
property? What is it that they're asking?

01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:21.699
The applicant is requesting to consolidate the zoning

01:20:21.699 --> 01:20:25.119
designations on DISD property. DISD owns

01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:28.000
that entire acreage and what they're doing, they're not

01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:29.520
altering the nature of the use.

01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:32.180
The school will continue to operate there. They just want

01:20:32.180 --> 01:20:34.720
to make sure that their zoning designations

01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:37.210
are the same because right now there's several different

01:20:37.210 --> 01:20:38.720
zoning designations

01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:41.220
on the property. So it's a matter of housekeeping on their

01:20:41.220 --> 01:20:41.600
part.

01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:42.960
Okay. So they're just trying to make it all one item.

01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:45.039
Correct. Absolutely. Very good. Thank you.

01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:48.560
Good question. Yeah, you bet. Is there anyone else that

01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:50.960
would like to speak on this item or have a

01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:58.380
question? Okay. I guess with that, I will close the public

01:20:58.380 --> 01:21:01.760
hearing. Is that correct, legal? Thank

01:21:01.760 --> 01:21:05.600
you, ma'am. Commissioner Dudowitz. I move that we approve.

01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:08.479
And Commissioner Taylor. Second.

01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:13.520
Any discussion on this item? Then let's vote.

01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:22.920
That item passes five zero. Moving on to item three C,

01:21:22.920 --> 01:21:30.399
another public hearing. I'm going to open

01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:34.979
the public hearing for item Z16-0009. Hold a public hearing

01:21:34.979 --> 01:21:37.359
and consider making a recommendation

01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:37.359
to city council regarding a rezone request from PD 138 to R

01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:45.840
CCN and that will be presented by Julie Wyatt.

01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:53.199
Good evening. I'm Julie Wyatt.

01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:00.409
Oh, there it is right there. The request before you is to

01:22:00.409 --> 01:22:04.800
consider making a recommendation

01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:10.989
regarding a rezoning from PD 138 to RCCN. This tract is a

01:22:10.989 --> 01:22:14.239
leftover part of a PD that has now

01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:18.170
gone to an MPC, so it's a different vehicle. This is the

01:22:18.170 --> 01:22:21.920
last of that PD 138. The applicant is

01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:24.510
looking to rezone in order to develop the property with the

01:22:24.510 --> 01:22:27.840
hospital and to make the zoning consistent

01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:31.770
with the zoning to the south, with the property to the

01:22:31.770 --> 01:22:36.159
south. The location is on I-35W and Crawford

01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:40.029
Road. Staff looked at it and although the request does not

01:22:40.029 --> 01:22:42.479
meet the future land use map, it does meet

01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:45.279
other elements of the Denton plan and it meets the goals

01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:47.840
and objectives of the Denton plan. It's also

01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:50.430
consistent with the type of zoning and land use pattern

01:22:50.430 --> 01:22:52.000
that you would see at this type of

01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:55.899
hard corner of a freeway and an arterial, so staff does

01:22:55.899 --> 01:22:58.479
recommend approval of the request.

01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:02.800
And I have not seen the applicant, so I don't know if he's

01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:03.520
here.

01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:06.470
Sorry. Sit tight, Julie. We've got a question from

01:23:06.470 --> 01:23:07.279
Commissioner Taylor.

01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:12.640
Sure. I was curious if you had that preservation plan.

01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:18.720
I do. In work session, there were questions regarding the

01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:19.760
trees on the site.

01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:24.380
There has been some clearing going on at the site. A plat's

01:23:24.380 --> 01:23:27.520
not approved, but they did obtain a

01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:31.529
clearing and grading permit provided that they complied

01:23:31.529 --> 01:23:33.520
with the tree preservation

01:23:34.239 --> 01:23:37.340
requirements and our urban forestry reviewed this tree

01:23:37.340 --> 01:23:38.640
preservation plan.

01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:42.420
This is actually the property in question. I read it

01:23:42.420 --> 01:23:47.279
quickly. This is, let's zoom in a little so we

01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:55.460
can see better. These trees are with the empty circles are

01:23:55.460 --> 01:23:59.760
trees to be preserved and the

01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:03.300
outline is the tree protection fencing. So if we'll zoom

01:24:03.300 --> 01:24:06.479
out, we can see what's existing on the

01:24:06.479 --> 01:24:09.369
site. It looks like all of the trees within the subject

01:24:09.369 --> 01:24:11.680
property in this area are going to be

01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:17.350
are preserved. Then let's go to the next. This is the next

01:24:17.350 --> 01:24:20.399
sheet and this goes more into where the

01:24:22.720 --> 01:24:26.149
hospital development and the pad sites are going to be. And

01:24:26.149 --> 01:24:28.800
there are some trees that will have

01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:31.350
that will be removed and I'm guessing there have been some

01:24:31.350 --> 01:24:32.880
that have been removed already.

01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:38.840
The pluses and the dark circles, would those indicate remo

01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:39.199
vals?

01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:48.079
Yes. These are the asterisks, the X's and then the crosses

01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:50.479
are trees to be removed.

01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:54.770
The delineation is whether it's a protected tree, quality

01:24:54.770 --> 01:24:57.039
tree, secondary tree. Then they'll have

01:24:57.039 --> 01:25:01.359
to mitigate based upon the zoning. And in that mitigation,

01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:04.239
any payments maybe into the tree fund

01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:07.430
or planting trees on site would happen at site plan or

01:25:07.430 --> 01:25:08.800
building permit.

01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:13.189
Thank you. I drive past this parcel and so I noticed that

01:25:13.189 --> 01:25:15.039
they were already clearing it and

01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:18.060
there was some confusion as to the area that was being rez

01:25:18.060 --> 01:25:20.479
oned. So I was worried that they were

01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:24.350
clearing before the rezoning had occurred. But most of the

01:25:24.350 --> 01:25:25.600
clearing is on that southern lot,

01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:28.560
which is already the correct zoning. So thank you. Sure.

01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:35.779
Thanks Julie. And is the applicant here? Would they like to

01:25:35.779 --> 01:25:36.399
speak?

01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:47.159
Hello, I'm Daniel Franklin with Barry Hampton Brown

01:25:47.159 --> 01:25:51.680
representing the applicant. And I'm here

01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:54.500
to answer any questions, but I think Julie did a pretty

01:25:54.500 --> 01:25:55.920
good job of covering it.

01:25:57.920 --> 01:25:59.149
Commissioner Taylor, do you still have a question or that

01:25:59.149 --> 01:26:01.520
just hasn't been? Okay.

01:26:03.680 --> 01:26:05.340
Sir, can you please state your address for the record too,

01:26:05.340 --> 01:26:06.079
please?

01:26:06.079 --> 01:26:10.079
Yes, sir. 5013 Vineyard Lane, McKinney, Texas. Thank you.

01:26:13.359 --> 01:26:16.199
This is a public hearing, meaning anyone here in attendance

01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:18.479
can speak on this item. Is there anyone

01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:21.600
that would like to speak to this or have any questions?

01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:26.880
Seeing none, I will close the public

01:26:26.880 --> 01:26:30.310
hearing and open it up for discussion or a motion.

01:26:30.310 --> 01:26:36.079
Commissioner Taylor.

01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:39.149
Thank you, Madam Chair. I move that we make a

01:26:39.149 --> 01:26:42.159
recommendation to City Council to approve

01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:46.960
this rezoning. This is a beneficial housekeeping measure

01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:49.600
for the city to remove an old PD,

01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:52.229
an old plan development, which is a type of zoning that no

01:26:52.229 --> 01:26:53.760
longer exists anywhere,

01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:56.760
that is not allowed anywhere in the city and creates

01:26:56.760 --> 01:26:58.880
problems in the future as we revise our

01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:02.399
ordinances and we have these small areas that do not abide

01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:04.640
by our new ordinances. So for those

01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:08.800
reasons I move we recommend approval. Commissioner Rosal.

01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:11.199
Thank you, Chair. As I mentioned in a work

01:27:11.199 --> 01:27:13.689
session, I was initially concerned about this because of

01:27:13.689 --> 01:27:15.359
the future land use map discrepancies,

01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:17.359
but I appreciate working through that in work session to

01:27:17.359 --> 01:27:19.600
understand the greater concept and idea

01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:22.090
behind this corner as it gets built out, especially with

01:27:22.090 --> 01:27:24.000
Hunter's Ranch. So with that I second the

01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:27.640
motion. We've got a first from Commissioner Taylor and a

01:27:27.640 --> 01:27:29.760
second from Commissioner Rosal.

01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:33.539
Is there any discussion on this item? Okay, then let's vote

01:27:33.539 --> 01:27:33.840
.

01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:45.880
That item passes 5-0. Next item of business is item 3D. I'd

01:27:45.880 --> 01:27:47.680
like to open the public hearing for

01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:52.340
PDA 16-0004. Hold a public hearing and consider making a

01:27:52.340 --> 01:27:54.800
recommendation to City Council regarding

01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:59.010
approval of a detailed plan of a plan development 174 to

01:27:59.010 --> 01:28:02.560
depict an amenity center. And that will be

01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:09.920
again presented by Ms. Wyatt. Wrong thing.

01:28:20.159 --> 01:28:25.250
Here we go. All right, the request before you is to make a

01:28:25.250 --> 01:28:27.920
recommendation to City Council regarding

01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:33.039
a detailed plan approval for a private amenity center in PD

01:28:33.039 --> 01:28:36.720
174. The location and the use of

01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:39.609
this private amenity center has been set forth in the

01:28:39.609 --> 01:28:42.079
concept plan in a previously approved detailed

01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:45.619
plan. At this stage we're really looking at the details of

01:28:45.619 --> 01:28:47.680
this site and how it's going to be

01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:52.579
developed. Staff looked at it and we looked at it in terms

01:28:52.579 --> 01:28:56.560
of the criteria for approval in the 1991

01:28:57.520 --> 01:29:04.890
code, which is what we have to use to analyze the site and

01:29:04.890 --> 01:29:07.039
staff does recommend approval that it

01:29:07.039 --> 01:29:09.539
meets the criteria for approval. And I'll pull up the site

01:29:09.539 --> 01:29:11.119
plan so if anybody has any questions.

01:29:13.520 --> 01:29:17.920
The applicant is here. So I have a question just because

01:29:17.920 --> 01:29:19.840
there are many people who missed our work

01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:22.180
session. I just want to be clear on what it is we're

01:29:22.180 --> 01:29:23.920
talking about this evening, what it is we're

01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:28.319
voting on. So this PD was approved in the 90s with a stip

01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:30.960
ulation that there would be an amenity

01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:33.130
center at some point in the future. That was already pre-

01:29:33.130 --> 01:29:37.760
approved. And so but the catch was

01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:42.050
that when the amenity center was going to come to the HOA

01:29:42.050 --> 01:29:44.720
at that point it would be required for us

01:29:44.720 --> 01:29:47.500
to at least look at the site plan. Is that correct? You're

01:29:47.500 --> 01:29:49.689
exactly right. Okay, of course I am. Do you want me to go

01:29:49.689 --> 01:29:50.880
over the site plan?

01:29:50.880 --> 01:29:52.609
Would you like for me to go over the site plan? I think it

01:29:52.609 --> 01:29:54.399
would be helpful for the people here since there were many

01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:55.840
that missed out on that work session.

01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:59.949
So like you said, this was this this use and location were

01:29:59.949 --> 01:30:03.600
approved with the 1999 ordinance that

01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:07.630
provided the concept plan for this PD. There was a detailed

01:30:07.630 --> 01:30:11.359
plan for the residential portion of the PD

01:30:12.159 --> 01:30:14.939
and this is this is the exhibit that shows how it's all

01:30:14.939 --> 01:30:18.159
laid out. But as you as you said these

01:30:18.159 --> 01:30:23.840
areas, the school site that and the amenity center were

01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:25.840
were left out of that detail plan

01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:28.729
amendment to come forward at a later date. Now the

01:30:28.729 --> 01:30:31.760
applicant has come forward for the amenity center.

01:30:32.880 --> 01:30:36.680
This is the site plan that they are proposing. Within it

01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:38.960
they are they are proposing a

01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:46.949
a restroom facility. It has a brick or a masonry exterior

01:30:46.949 --> 01:30:50.159
and it does provide a gate which then

01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:53.550
works in concert with a six-foot wrought iron fence that

01:30:53.550 --> 01:30:55.920
will control access to that pool area.

01:30:56.560 --> 01:30:59.390
There's also a wrought iron fence around a dog park on the

01:30:59.390 --> 01:31:01.439
southern side of the of the property

01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:05.390
that will control access of course as well. Recreational

01:31:05.390 --> 01:31:07.680
elements include the pool,

01:31:08.479 --> 01:31:12.819
a putting green, bocce ball, a soccer field, and then

01:31:12.819 --> 01:31:16.479
playground. And then additionally they are

01:31:16.479 --> 01:31:20.220
proposing sidewalks that run through the property and also

01:31:20.220 --> 01:31:22.800
connect to the to the sidewalk system for

01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:25.800
the streets. There is parking on site that's that's

01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:28.800
provided as well as bicycle parking and a drop-off

01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:34.260
area here. The landscape plan includes tree plantings not

01:31:34.260 --> 01:31:37.279
only throughout the site but also

01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:41.550
between those those recreation facilities and the single-

01:31:41.550 --> 01:31:44.079
family homes that are adjacent.

01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:47.380
There is parking lot screening here in the front and then

01:31:47.380 --> 01:31:50.239
additional landscape islands throughout.

01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:56.079
Public notification was sent out to the to the PD per what

01:31:56.079 --> 01:32:00.000
per code Texas local government code

01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:03.079
requirements the whole PD needed to be notified so we sent

01:32:03.079 --> 01:32:05.199
out a lot of notifications for this.

01:32:06.640 --> 01:32:10.319
It does meet the criteria in the 1991 code and so staff

01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:12.159
recommends approval subject to the

01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:15.060
conditions that it complies with the landscape plan site

01:32:15.060 --> 01:32:16.239
plan and site details.

01:32:18.640 --> 01:32:23.520
Commissioner Taylor. Thank you chair. So this was evaluated

01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:26.640
based on the 1991 code. I was just

01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:29.470
noticing the landscape plan that that looks like one of our

01:32:29.470 --> 01:32:30.960
modern ones it appears that it would

01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:34.340
meet our current landscape code. I applied the current code

01:32:34.340 --> 01:32:36.479
. Okay so this would actually meet our

01:32:36.479 --> 01:32:39.550
current ordinances. Yes I particularly because it was

01:32:39.550 --> 01:32:42.000
adjacent to residential we wanted to make sure

01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:44.640
that there was a buffer to mitigate any noise you know

01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:47.760
anything and then we also wanted an applicant

01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:50.020
actually came forward with with a lot of the trees as well.

01:32:50.020 --> 01:32:51.600
We also wanted the parking lot to be

01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:54.000
screened so we we worked with them applied a lot of the

01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:56.159
elements that are in the current code today.

01:32:56.880 --> 01:33:01.489
So this well exceeds the 1991 requirements which had almost

01:33:01.489 --> 01:33:03.760
no landscape requirement sidewalk.

01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:06.640
Pedestrian there wasn't a lot of direction in the 1991 code

01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:08.880
regarding landscaping so thank you.

01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:13.520
Sure. Commissioner Dudowitz. There's been a lot of time on

01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:15.680
talking about this particular project

01:33:15.680 --> 01:33:18.939
in work session so I want the public to understand we are

01:33:18.939 --> 01:33:20.319
not voting on whether there should be a

01:33:20.319 --> 01:33:23.619
amenity center or not. What we're looking at does it comply

01:33:23.619 --> 01:33:25.680
with our site plan recommendations,

01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:29.989
landscaping, tree coverage, sidewalks, bricks, mortar and

01:33:29.989 --> 01:33:31.760
that type of stuff. So that's what

01:33:31.760 --> 01:33:35.640
we're looking at and is presented by staff. It far exceeds

01:33:35.640 --> 01:33:38.560
any any of our requirements for

01:33:38.560 --> 01:33:42.260
for that type of project. Is that I'm pretty sure that's

01:33:42.260 --> 01:33:44.560
what we're talking about. Thank you.

01:33:48.319 --> 01:33:52.159
Any other questions or comments for staff? Thanks Julie.

01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:56.670
And I understand the applicant is here. Is that now Mr.

01:33:56.670 --> 01:33:58.000
Douglas your card that I read at the

01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:00.989
beginning? Thanks for sitting tight. Thank you very much.

01:34:00.989 --> 01:34:03.119
Good evening. Jim Douglas of Douglas

01:34:03.119 --> 01:34:07.760
Properties 2309 Avenue K in Plano. Thank you very much. It

01:34:07.760 --> 01:34:09.920
's really Julie still saw a lot of my

01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:12.800
thunder as far as I was going to explain it to you. She did

01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:14.319
a better job than I would have.

01:34:14.319 --> 01:34:18.399
But did want to bring up that we are very interested in

01:34:18.399 --> 01:34:20.239
having the amenity center as

01:34:20.239 --> 01:34:23.180
nice as possible. That's why we did bring it up to current

01:34:23.180 --> 01:34:25.359
standards and hopefully even exceeded

01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:29.489
those. We tried very hard to come up with items in this

01:34:29.489 --> 01:34:32.319
area that would appeal to all the different

01:34:32.319 --> 01:34:36.239
variety of age groups, people and everything else that live

01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:38.960
in country lakes. We have the pool area,

01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:41.989
we have the bocce ball, we have the putting green, we have

01:34:41.989 --> 01:34:44.159
a soccer field, we have a dog park,

01:34:44.159 --> 01:34:48.039
we have a playground, we have extensive landscaping and

01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:51.199
again we went to the extra expense of drilling

01:34:51.199 --> 01:34:55.630
a well so to take care of all these landscaping and all the

01:34:55.630 --> 01:34:57.840
plants. That doesn't put an undue

01:34:57.840 --> 01:35:01.199
burden on the HOA either of buying for city water plus when

01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:03.600
there's a drought or restrictions we're

01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:06.229
not under that because obviously we're spending a lot of

01:35:06.229 --> 01:35:08.319
money on this and we want to stay functional

01:35:08.319 --> 01:35:13.390
and looking nice. We also have with me tonight one of the

01:35:13.390 --> 01:35:16.560
board members of the HOA so if there's any

01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:20.489
specific questions you have of the HOA this has been

01:35:20.489 --> 01:35:24.239
presented to the annual meeting at the HOA

01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:27.590
so those homeowners that attended the annual meeting were

01:35:27.590 --> 01:35:30.000
apprised of this and I'll be glad

01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:32.600
to answer any other question you might have. We also have

01:35:32.600 --> 01:35:34.479
the people that will be building the

01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:37.159
Amita Center that have designed it so if you have any

01:35:37.159 --> 01:35:39.760
particular questions on that they're here also

01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:45.039
to answer your questions. Commissioner Taylor. Thank you

01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:47.359
chair. The screen hasn't updated yet so

01:35:47.359 --> 01:35:49.140
I can't make a re-request. That's okay I'm going to keep my

01:35:49.140 --> 01:35:51.199
eyes open. Something I've been meaning to ask and I've

01:35:51.199 --> 01:35:54.569
forgotten earlier. I'm not very familiar is this a gated

01:35:54.569 --> 01:35:56.479
community or is it open to the public?

01:35:56.479 --> 01:35:59.029
This is not a gated community and the thing about it's a

01:35:59.029 --> 01:36:01.439
little different because part of it is in

01:36:01.439 --> 01:36:05.199
Denton and part of it's in Argyle but it's one HOA. It's

01:36:05.199 --> 01:36:08.720
not separate HOAs where the Argyle or Denton

01:36:08.720 --> 01:36:11.600
so the people who live in the Argyle portion can use this

01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:13.840
Amita Center just like the people in the

01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:18.149
Denton can use the Amita Center in Argyle. It's one HOA.

01:36:18.149 --> 01:36:20.880
Also it seems like you know when you go back

01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:24.779
to the original PD as proved back in 1999 if you look at

01:36:24.779 --> 01:36:27.520
site plans there's very splotches of blue

01:36:27.520 --> 01:36:30.970
on that which indicates water. Well these were drainage

01:36:30.970 --> 01:36:33.279
areas that's what was the reason Zion

01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:38.130
and planned for. But again we're trying to do what the

01:36:38.130 --> 01:36:41.600
intent of this PD was plus being fair to the

01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:44.850
people who bought homes early on in this subdivision that

01:36:44.850 --> 01:36:47.359
they were shown this fancy glossy brochure

01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:50.529
which we didn't provide. We bought the property out of

01:36:50.529 --> 01:36:52.640
bankruptcy so that we've come in and but

01:36:52.640 --> 01:36:55.369
we've abided by the PD and we've tried to fulfill

01:36:55.369 --> 01:36:58.319
everything that was on the brochures. So we've even

01:36:58.319 --> 01:37:01.970
drilled wells to ensure that these detention areas do have

01:37:01.970 --> 01:37:04.720
water in them. We've placed fountains in

01:37:04.720 --> 01:37:07.489
them to keep the water agitated which that was not what

01:37:07.489 --> 01:37:09.439
they were raising Zion for. They were

01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:12.819
Zionists be detention and dry up when it's not raining.

01:37:12.819 --> 01:37:14.960
Well again we felt like since they had

01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:17.960
those brochures printed this is what needed to be followed.

01:37:17.960 --> 01:37:20.079
So this is what we've tried to go above

01:37:20.079 --> 01:37:22.449
and beyond everything from ever since we bought the

01:37:22.449 --> 01:37:29.760
property. I have a question. So we got a lot

01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:32.670
of feedback about this and I'm really grateful to your

01:37:32.670 --> 01:37:35.119
neighborhood for bringing this up because we

01:37:35.119 --> 01:37:38.920
very rarely get this many responses. Seemed to me about

01:37:38.920 --> 01:37:42.079
half were in favor and half were opposed

01:37:42.079 --> 01:37:44.939
and those who were opposed the primary primarily the

01:37:44.939 --> 01:37:48.079
reasons I gathered were concerns about increased

01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:52.189
traffic HOA fees and vandalism. Now those are not really

01:37:52.189 --> 01:37:54.640
things that we can look at as a planning

01:37:54.640 --> 01:37:56.890
and zoning commission because we are not the HOA but I just

01:37:56.890 --> 01:37:58.479
want to make sure are you aware of these

01:37:58.479 --> 01:38:00.649
concerns and how have you been able to to reach out to the

01:38:00.649 --> 01:38:02.319
neighborhood to make sure that those

01:38:02.319 --> 01:38:04.479
concerns are being addressed? Well first of all the

01:38:04.479 --> 01:38:06.640
community center is on a four lane road which is

01:38:06.640 --> 01:38:10.989
John Payne and there are no homes that front on John Payne.

01:38:10.989 --> 01:38:13.760
So this is this is a different this is so

01:38:13.760 --> 01:38:17.119
no words even if someone parks along John Payne it's not in

01:38:17.119 --> 01:38:19.920
front of anybody's house because there's

01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:24.350
no homes front on John Payne and it is a four lane roadway.

01:38:24.350 --> 01:38:27.119
As far as HOA dues I have Tim Stewart

01:38:27.119 --> 01:38:29.640
here he can address those in a second if you'd like to but

01:38:29.640 --> 01:38:31.199
which is again like I said it's not

01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:33.750
really part of this approval process but we're willing to

01:38:33.750 --> 01:38:35.680
share in the information but as we're

01:38:35.680 --> 01:38:39.909
adding homes that it should balance balance out to where

01:38:39.909 --> 01:38:42.239
and I'm not I can't say it's not going to be

01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:45.500
an increase costs go up all the time but there's in the

01:38:45.500 --> 01:38:48.640
future it'll be 1,400 homes built in the

01:38:48.640 --> 01:38:51.890
subdivision and you need a second amenity center because

01:38:51.890 --> 01:38:54.159
one amenity center is just not enough for

01:38:54.159 --> 01:38:59.670
1,400 homes. I mean you've got about 700 or 600 so 700 now

01:38:59.670 --> 01:39:02.319
and and again this was presented at the

01:39:02.319 --> 01:39:06.199
HOA annual meeting and was discussed as far as budget items

01:39:06.199 --> 01:39:08.239
. As far as vandalism we've done a

01:39:08.239 --> 01:39:11.939
lot of these amenity centers and more years and I won't say

01:39:11.939 --> 01:39:14.560
I've been doing this but the vandalism

01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:18.029
does not appear to be any different than what you have with

01:39:18.029 --> 01:39:20.399
any other amenity center. Situation if

01:39:20.399 --> 01:39:23.289
somebody wants to get in there they're going to get in

01:39:23.289 --> 01:39:25.600
there and so many times the code is handed

01:39:25.600 --> 01:39:29.119
out and maybe to a friend or something like that and then

01:39:29.119 --> 01:39:32.000
they can come back. All the main areas do

01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:35.609
have security you know the fence and a code and if you give

01:39:35.609 --> 01:39:37.920
the code out then you're opening the

01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:41.119
door up for someone to come in there and vandalize or it

01:39:41.119 --> 01:39:43.600
can be you know whoever. So it sounds to me

01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:46.090
that you are you are aware of these concerns you've had a

01:39:46.090 --> 01:39:47.920
meeting about this and people know how to

01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:50.529
contact you with further questions and such. Yes ma'am.

01:39:50.529 --> 01:39:52.239
Okay thank you. All right thank you.

01:39:54.159 --> 01:40:00.649
I have another card on this uh Mr or Ms Lloyd Davy Lloyd.

01:40:00.649 --> 01:40:03.039
Yes ma'am oh yes you were in our work

01:40:03.039 --> 01:40:06.340
session yes yes I'm glad you remembered your thought.

01:40:06.340 --> 01:40:08.960
Please come to the microphone and state

01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:10.970
your name and address for the record and your time will

01:40:10.970 --> 01:40:13.199
begin. Well you'll already wonder why I'm here

01:40:13.199 --> 01:40:18.550
because our address is 9813 Meadow Creek Argo but I live in

01:40:18.550 --> 01:40:22.000
country lakes. We've lived there almost

01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:26.649
12 years. When we moved there there wasn't going to be a

01:40:26.649 --> 01:40:29.840
school where there's now going to be a school

01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:33.789
where there's now a Catholic church was supposed to be

01:40:33.789 --> 01:40:36.000
where there was going to be a school built

01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:39.329
and I have a little bit of concern of there being a school

01:40:39.329 --> 01:40:40.880
right across the street

01:40:41.439 --> 01:40:45.310
from a swimming pool and that's they've convinced me of

01:40:45.310 --> 01:40:47.840
everything else I had questions about

01:40:48.399 --> 01:40:52.680
but this is still a concern that I think is valid. Thank

01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:53.920
you ma'am.

01:40:57.600 --> 01:41:01.359
Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. I would like to have

01:41:01.359 --> 01:41:04.399
the representative for the HOA come up and

01:41:04.399 --> 01:41:07.079
just as a courtesy for the people again I know this is

01:41:07.079 --> 01:41:09.119
nothing that we as a commission would

01:41:09.119 --> 01:41:12.000
address but just as a courtesy a lot of people did come

01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:14.319
here could you respond to their concerns

01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:18.069
about increased fees regarding the cementity center. My

01:41:18.069 --> 01:41:20.640
name is Tim Stewart uh four for one

01:41:20.640 --> 01:41:23.720
Chapel Downs Court South Lake Texas. I'm on the board

01:41:23.720 --> 01:41:26.079
acting member president right now and I also

01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:28.729
work for Bloomfield Homes. The board consists of three

01:41:28.729 --> 01:41:30.880
developer representatives and it consists

01:41:30.880 --> 01:41:32.850
of two homeowner representatives so it's a very active

01:41:32.850 --> 01:41:34.560
board there's active communication amongst

01:41:34.560 --> 01:41:36.470
us all so when things happen on a two in the morning or

01:41:36.470 --> 01:41:37.840
three in the morning there's usually

01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:40.430
an email that gets to us relatively quick and there's the

01:41:40.430 --> 01:41:42.159
two homeowners who live on site which

01:41:42.159 --> 01:41:45.090
are very passionate about what goes on. The amenity I think

01:41:45.090 --> 01:41:46.880
I've read through the next door

01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:49.579
or the neighbor accounts there's about 45 of them. I think

01:41:49.579 --> 01:41:51.119
some of the people's concern is just

01:41:51.119 --> 01:41:54.489
sometimes lack of knowledge maybe they weren't at the

01:41:54.489 --> 01:41:57.119
annual meeting or a lot of times passed and

01:41:57.119 --> 01:41:59.970
we all forgot. As a developer we're paying for the

01:41:59.970 --> 01:42:02.560
infrastructure to put in the HOA amenity that's

01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:05.430
there I think some people were concerned maybe they're

01:42:05.430 --> 01:42:07.760
going to pay for it. From a due standpoint

01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:11.470
we've been adding about I think we added 78 homeowners last

01:42:11.470 --> 01:42:13.199
year and we've done anticipation

01:42:13.199 --> 01:42:16.250
that you're going to continue to add 70 to 100 homeowners a

01:42:16.250 --> 01:42:18.079
year it's 675 dollars a year which

01:42:18.079 --> 01:42:21.619
is about 70 thousand dollars a year of incremental revenue

01:42:21.619 --> 01:42:23.840
that's coming on before this HOA site

01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:27.489
opens up you're probably going to have well over 100 to 150

01:42:27.489 --> 01:42:29.359
new homeowners when it's operating

01:42:29.359 --> 01:42:32.390
fully so the incremental revenue associated with those new

01:42:32.390 --> 01:42:34.239
members coming into the community

01:42:34.239 --> 01:42:37.689
we believe in our estimates offsets what cost will be incur

01:42:37.689 --> 01:42:40.000
red by the association. This association

01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:43.149
I got to tell you has been very frugal with the downturn

01:42:43.149 --> 01:42:45.359
economic downturn almost to a point where

01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:48.119
it was neglected by the previous owners and it's been a

01:42:48.119 --> 01:42:50.159
catch-up every sense you know fixing the

01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:53.060
walls doing landscaping we're not done yet but they are

01:42:53.060 --> 01:42:55.520
probably the most well-funded HOA that

01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:57.760
as a developer we're involved with in most cases we're

01:42:57.760 --> 01:42:59.439
writing checks to cover it I mean they have

01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:02.859
about a half million four hundred and ten thousand dollars

01:43:02.859 --> 01:43:05.119
in the bank right now so and that's good

01:43:05.119 --> 01:43:07.029
because they're going to want to have reserves they got

01:43:07.029 --> 01:43:08.239
about a hundred earmark just for the

01:43:08.239 --> 01:43:11.600
reserves right now with the other 300 or so and the

01:43:11.600 --> 01:43:14.079
operating fund so it's well funded and you know

01:43:14.079 --> 01:43:15.989
what that needs to stay that way we don't want to get them

01:43:15.989 --> 01:43:17.439
in a position where they're going to be

01:43:17.439 --> 01:43:19.789
deficit spending current year's budget has them accum

01:43:19.789 --> 01:43:22.399
ulating about 60,000 dollars of incremental

01:43:22.399 --> 01:43:26.010
cash 40,000 in the operating fund 20,000 in the reserve so

01:43:26.010 --> 01:43:28.079
I think a lot of thoughts gone into it

01:43:28.079 --> 01:43:30.229
and that thought's been backed up by the popularity of the

01:43:30.229 --> 01:43:32.000
neighborhood new homeowners moving in and

01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:35.109
then the timing of the phases and being developed and then

01:43:35.109 --> 01:43:37.359
bringing on the humanity center so with

01:43:37.359 --> 01:43:40.590
1400 residents potential or home sites being in there and

01:43:40.590 --> 01:43:42.800
looking at where the original pd stated

01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:45.130
that there be something up there and the hoa is really

01:43:45.130 --> 01:43:47.119
working towards being able to adequately

01:43:47.119 --> 01:43:49.609
fund that and protect that for a long term so I think I

01:43:49.609 --> 01:43:51.680
think they're in a really good position

01:43:51.680 --> 01:43:54.170
to do it I mean I wish some of the other neighborhoods we

01:43:54.170 --> 01:43:55.359
were in did the same thing

01:43:55.359 --> 01:43:57.479
and it was what we're as well funded once we bought them

01:43:57.479 --> 01:43:59.760
but this one has been thought out

01:43:59.760 --> 01:44:02.579
adequately funded and you know it's got a little growing

01:44:02.579 --> 01:44:04.560
pains right now and that can be exciting

01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:06.739
for some and nervous for others and we're continuing to

01:44:06.739 --> 01:44:08.319
work with the current board members

01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:11.039
and the voting committee and it's very active and

01:44:11.039 --> 01:44:13.439
communication goes daily so and we're tuned to it

01:44:13.439 --> 01:44:16.970
we want to hear what the homeowners say great thank you so

01:44:16.970 --> 01:44:19.039
as long as you're here could you

01:44:19.039 --> 01:44:22.920
please address miss loyd's concern about the school being

01:44:22.920 --> 01:44:25.039
in proximity to the amenity center

01:44:26.479 --> 01:44:29.109
I mean basically it was there when we got here city of dent

01:44:29.109 --> 01:44:31.279
on had a school site planned for the

01:44:31.279 --> 01:44:34.710
manny center was identified and when the pd was again rat

01:44:34.710 --> 01:44:36.720
ified that's what we had so you've got

01:44:36.720 --> 01:44:38.869
a parking lot you've got a you know the bathroom centers

01:44:38.869 --> 01:44:41.119
and then you have a pool the pool is going

01:44:41.119 --> 01:44:44.199
to be fenced off and I like it that it's not right on you

01:44:44.199 --> 01:44:46.239
know where cars are parking in front of

01:44:46.239 --> 01:44:48.520
somebody's house so you know you're always going to have

01:44:48.520 --> 01:44:50.079
safety concerns with the pool you know

01:44:50.079 --> 01:44:51.859
we're going to have card accesses and we're going to you

01:44:51.859 --> 01:44:53.840
know people are going to have to be just in

01:44:53.840 --> 01:44:57.640
any pool safety is key location being near a school I think

01:44:57.640 --> 01:44:59.760
that all the all the elements of

01:44:59.760 --> 01:45:01.970
safety and fencing and the design have been put into

01:45:01.970 --> 01:45:04.880
consideration for safety the residents thank you

01:45:07.680 --> 01:45:09.409
this is a public hearing and I see there are a lot of

01:45:09.409 --> 01:45:13.600
people here who are interested in this item so

01:45:13.600 --> 01:45:16.189
if you'd like to speak on this or if you have any questions

01:45:16.189 --> 01:45:18.000
now is the chance to do that you can just

01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:20.100
approach the microphone and then just fill out a card

01:45:20.100 --> 01:45:21.199
before you leave tonight

01:45:25.359 --> 01:45:25.680
please

01:45:28.319 --> 01:45:29.409
state your name and address for the record please and then

01:45:29.409 --> 01:45:31.279
I see you have that blue card

01:45:31.279 --> 01:45:35.109
there's that's perfect yes ma'am first of all I'd like to

01:45:35.109 --> 01:45:37.680
say that I'm new to Denton I've only lived

01:45:37.680 --> 01:45:41.970
in country lakes for since March I bought a home there and

01:45:41.970 --> 01:45:45.039
since I've lived there I have some very

01:45:45.039 --> 01:45:48.750
basic concerns I'd like to express to the city of Denton

01:45:48.750 --> 01:45:51.920
first of all Crawford Road is a very narrow

01:45:51.920 --> 01:45:55.460
two-lane road that is now supporting the existing community

01:45:55.460 --> 01:45:57.520
of country lakes and as I hear your

01:45:58.319 --> 01:46:02.859
other discussions apparently a hospital development now

01:46:02.859 --> 01:46:05.840
destined at I-35W and Crawford Road

01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:11.020
and we're also talking about 1,400 new homes in country

01:46:11.020 --> 01:46:13.920
lakes yet we have Crawford Road is our

01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:18.250
primary means of ingress and egress to that whole area I'd

01:46:18.250 --> 01:46:20.319
like to know who is going to

01:46:21.199 --> 01:46:26.210
improve Crawford Road is it in Denton or is it in Argyle

01:46:26.210 --> 01:46:30.880
secondly I'm concerned about parking at

01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:34.560
the amenity center I'm hoping that since we're talking

01:46:34.560 --> 01:46:37.760
soccer fields swimming pools and all of

01:46:37.760 --> 01:46:41.590
these types of amenities that will draw families and lots

01:46:41.590 --> 01:46:43.840
of people for soccer games and all

01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:48.590
that there will be sufficient parking to support that amen

01:46:48.590 --> 01:46:51.439
ity without street parking because then

01:46:51.439 --> 01:46:55.439
again we get back to John Payne John Payne is the primary

01:46:55.439 --> 01:46:58.640
ingress and egress into country lakes

01:46:58.640 --> 01:47:03.100
and if parking is allowed even on the the roadway there you

01:47:03.100 --> 01:47:06.000
're going to inhibit traffic over time

01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:09.170
with the continued growth of that neighborhood I hope you

01:47:09.170 --> 01:47:11.119
'll consider all of these aspects

01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:15.869
as you approve this and continue development within country

01:47:15.869 --> 01:47:17.680
lakes and adjacent property on

01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:22.010
Crawford Road thank you ma'am your name and address oh I'm

01:47:22.010 --> 01:47:23.920
sorry okay my name is Beverly

01:47:23.920 --> 01:47:28.979
Brady and I live at 5-7-1-7 to Waukene Argyle which is on

01:47:28.979 --> 01:47:31.600
the Denton side of Argyle thank you

01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:34.560
and if you could please give that card over there that'd be

01:47:34.560 --> 01:47:37.840
great thank you um Commissioner Rozelle

01:47:37.840 --> 01:47:40.270
did you have a question I don't have a question I just

01:47:40.270 --> 01:47:42.159
wanted to respond to the statements to

01:47:42.159 --> 01:47:45.840
provide clarity to the Crawford issue and our master

01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:48.319
mobility plan or the mobility plan for

01:47:48.319 --> 01:47:51.050
Denton Crawford is included in that and it's considered a

01:47:51.050 --> 01:47:52.880
primary arterial so there is going

01:47:52.880 --> 01:47:56.420
to be expansion to Crawford I don't know the timeline of

01:47:56.420 --> 01:47:58.800
that but that is set to be addressed

01:47:58.800 --> 01:48:01.289
that is on the list and then I appreciate your feedback at

01:48:01.289 --> 01:48:02.800
the parking that's something that we

01:48:02.800 --> 01:48:05.489
can certainly that is part of the purview of this

01:48:05.489 --> 01:48:08.079
discussion is to look at at the site plan when

01:48:08.079 --> 01:48:11.060
parking is under that and so I just appreciate your

01:48:11.060 --> 01:48:14.000
feedback and lastly welcome to Denton and

01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:16.300
thank you for being active in these discussions that's very

01:48:16.300 --> 01:48:17.039
helpful thank you

01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:23.590
Ms Wyatt would you like to talk about the parking lot

01:48:23.590 --> 01:48:29.039
please thank you I can't talk about the parking

01:48:29.039 --> 01:48:31.739
lot we don't have a parking ratio for this type of use

01:48:31.739 --> 01:48:34.319
within the Denton development code so

01:48:34.319 --> 01:48:37.000
you know we worked with the applicant to find out what they

01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:38.479
felt was the most appropriate

01:48:39.119 --> 01:48:41.779
parking ratio we looked at that and made sure that we felt

01:48:41.779 --> 01:48:43.279
like it was appropriate

01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:47.109
they may be able if if the community's concerned about

01:48:47.109 --> 01:48:49.680
additional parking they may be able to add

01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:52.460
additional parking we also wanted to make sure that there

01:48:52.460 --> 01:48:57.680
was um that community residents could

01:48:57.680 --> 01:49:02.600
access it not just by car but by bicycle and by sidewalk as

01:49:02.600 --> 01:49:05.279
well so you know we wanted to keep

01:49:05.279 --> 01:49:08.460
parking appropriate for the site because we wanted to

01:49:08.460 --> 01:49:12.479
maintain the green space and but still provide

01:49:12.479 --> 01:49:16.890
adequate for those who want to drive there so we don't have

01:49:16.890 --> 01:49:19.680
a ratio necessarily how many I'm curious

01:49:19.680 --> 01:49:22.930
how many parking spots are in it are on it right now and

01:49:22.930 --> 01:49:25.680
that file is keeping in mind that it is in

01:49:25.680 --> 01:49:28.930
a neighborhood with there's going to be sidewalks and bike

01:49:28.930 --> 01:49:31.600
racks and such too but there are about 20

01:49:31.600 --> 01:49:37.630
parking spaces are there um are there okay I'm sorry I can

01:49:37.630 --> 01:49:43.199
't see it okay all right 21

01:49:46.399 --> 01:49:50.340
I'm sorry 21 thank you sure thank you and Earl would you

01:49:50.340 --> 01:49:52.479
like to talk about Crawford Road

01:49:55.439 --> 01:49:55.840
thank you

01:50:01.359 --> 01:50:03.270
good evening commissioners uh Crawford Roads it's an

01:50:03.270 --> 01:50:06.479
interesting uh unique situation there because

01:50:06.479 --> 01:50:10.729
it's a border between Denton and Argyle and the boundary

01:50:10.729 --> 01:50:13.359
the city's boundary line for that road

01:50:13.359 --> 01:50:16.399
is actually at the center of the street so half of it's

01:50:16.399 --> 01:50:18.560
owned and maintained by the city of Denton

01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:21.050
the north side and the south side's own and maintained by

01:50:21.050 --> 01:50:22.640
the city of Argyle we've discussed

01:50:22.640 --> 01:50:26.649
this with Argyle and they're interested in eventually

01:50:26.649 --> 01:50:29.199
ultimately taking ownership and

01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:32.649
maintenance of that roadway however the ultimate right away

01:50:32.649 --> 01:50:36.239
is not there at this time so as

01:50:36.239 --> 01:50:39.970
platting occurs and development occurs along that roadway

01:50:39.970 --> 01:50:43.039
will exact the right away along their

01:50:43.039 --> 01:50:47.579
frontage and once the right away is accumulated along that

01:50:47.579 --> 01:50:50.079
entire stretch we'll have to do

01:50:50.079 --> 01:50:54.210
eventually a boundary adjustment with the city of Argyle so

01:50:54.210 --> 01:50:56.479
that they can't take ownership

01:50:56.479 --> 01:51:00.960
is there a timeline on that it's not like a long process it

01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:02.479
's going to be a long process unless

01:51:04.000 --> 01:51:08.050
Argyle takes the initiative to acquire through condemnation

01:51:08.050 --> 01:51:09.600
or acquisition so maybe this

01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:11.729
neighborhood could go to the Argyle planning and zoning

01:51:11.729 --> 01:51:15.600
commission push this through but so there

01:51:15.600 --> 01:51:19.029
are plans for it but it's there's a plan for it right just

01:51:19.029 --> 01:51:21.119
no no timeline and as for parking on

01:51:21.119 --> 01:51:25.109
John Payne John Payne does not allow parking on that street

01:51:25.109 --> 01:51:29.279
thank you this is a public hearing is

01:51:29.279 --> 01:51:31.579
there anyone else that would like to speak or have any

01:51:31.579 --> 01:51:33.520
questions please and you could please set your

01:51:33.520 --> 01:51:36.279
name and address for the record and then fill out a blue

01:51:36.279 --> 01:51:38.399
card and hand it in before you leave thank

01:51:38.399 --> 01:51:42.079
you um i had a couple of questions one was answered uh

01:51:42.079 --> 01:51:44.720
regarding security access someone

01:51:44.720 --> 01:51:46.970
had mentioned a code the question was is it going to be a

01:51:46.970 --> 01:51:50.399
code is going to be card uh like the current

01:51:50.399 --> 01:51:53.279
amenity center is and you answer that would be a card and

01:51:53.279 --> 01:51:56.000
that's that's a secure means the other

01:51:56.000 --> 01:52:00.550
question brought up by my new neighbor um was regarding the

01:52:00.550 --> 01:52:03.840
soccer field will this soccer field

01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:09.689
be used for city leagues and things like that or is this

01:52:09.689 --> 01:52:13.359
this is primarily i assume for the residents

01:52:13.359 --> 01:52:20.149
of uh country lakes my name is Tim Maddox 5720 Balmorray my

01:52:20.149 --> 01:52:23.199
mind i was like sorry please continue

01:52:24.560 --> 01:52:27.600
that's it thank you for the opportunity and i'll fill out a

01:52:27.600 --> 01:52:27.840
card

01:52:32.720 --> 01:52:35.100
would you like to address that sir yes i think we call it a

01:52:35.100 --> 01:52:37.439
soccer field it's an hoa play field

01:52:37.439 --> 01:52:39.050
i mean they can go out you can play pick up game of

01:52:39.050 --> 01:52:40.640
football you can do whatever it's not going to

01:52:40.640 --> 01:52:43.640
be sanctioned in the denton county soccer league where it

01:52:43.640 --> 01:52:45.680
opens up every saturday to games from eight

01:52:45.680 --> 01:52:48.520
to eight so our plan is it's hoa owned and it'll be hoa

01:52:48.520 --> 01:52:50.720
played and there'll be areas where they can

01:52:50.720 --> 01:52:54.920
hang out but no schools or leagues or anything like that so

01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:57.760
a quick question is that a regulation

01:52:57.760 --> 01:53:00.050
soccer field or is it kind of a mini it's just a

01:53:00.050 --> 01:53:02.720
designation for an open field to be used for

01:53:02.720 --> 01:53:04.710
it could have been called field but yeah okay because i

01:53:04.710 --> 01:53:06.000
think people are going to get the wrong

01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:09.479
impression about regulation 100 meters by 50 meters type

01:53:09.479 --> 01:53:10.720
situation and it's huge we spent the last 11

01:53:10.720 --> 01:53:12.720
years on the soccer field so yeah it's people and chaos

01:53:12.720 --> 01:53:14.720
maybe you should call it a play field maybe

01:53:14.720 --> 01:53:17.250
or ball field play field i think is what normally is

01:53:17.250 --> 01:53:20.000
designated for this type of area open play field

01:53:22.479 --> 01:53:26.850
sir sorry the plans themselves i mean uh he's with ventric

01:53:26.850 --> 01:53:29.359
says a playing field so thank you

01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:36.029
so anyone else who would like to speak on this item or have

01:53:36.029 --> 01:53:36.720
any questions

01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:46.810
are you sure you already spoke once i'm sorry i know anyone

01:53:46.810 --> 01:53:48.159
else tell it to your neighbor and

01:53:48.159 --> 01:53:54.470
then they can come up huh there's no rules against it i'm

01:53:54.470 --> 01:53:57.600
the chair i'm gonna say it's okay

01:54:03.760 --> 01:54:05.090
all right there you go way to go neighbors set your name

01:54:05.090 --> 01:54:09.840
and address for the record please

01:54:10.640 --> 01:54:15.220
i'm tracy maddox 5720 balmerie drive in argyle but really

01:54:15.220 --> 01:54:18.720
didn't um okay so the question is what will

01:54:18.720 --> 01:54:22.239
it take to have some more discussions with the city of dent

01:54:22.239 --> 01:54:24.479
on planning and zoning with argyle

01:54:24.479 --> 01:54:28.399
about crawford or is it just like at a dead stop that's a

01:54:28.399 --> 01:54:29.680
great question

01:54:30.800 --> 01:54:36.880
our own do you have an answer to that

01:54:40.079 --> 01:54:41.920
thanks for being a team player yeah

01:54:44.560 --> 01:54:47.279
i'm assuming you're wanting to know what the timeline is to

01:54:47.279 --> 01:54:48.960
forward and widening eventually

01:54:48.960 --> 01:54:52.020
of crawford road with both cities and what argals

01:54:52.020 --> 01:54:56.000
intentions are to to uh i guess take ownership and

01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:58.939
maintenance of that roadway um that's something we can set

01:54:58.939 --> 01:55:00.880
up with the city of argal um just not sure

01:55:01.439 --> 01:55:04.050
who the proper contacts would be there to begin with but we

01:55:04.050 --> 01:55:06.319
can eventually essentially get that

01:55:07.039 --> 01:55:09.720
get that ball rolling if you'd like so so could people get

01:55:09.720 --> 01:55:11.680
in touch with you or all for and you

01:55:11.680 --> 01:55:14.880
could or yeah okay so y'all hit him up after the meeting

01:55:14.880 --> 01:55:16.399
and get his contact info

01:55:20.640 --> 01:55:23.819
all right i have one other question not related to hers so

01:55:23.819 --> 01:55:25.439
when we moved in we've been there

01:55:25.439 --> 01:55:29.819
since 2007 the amenity center was going to be a swimming

01:55:29.819 --> 01:55:33.119
area for adults only not like adult only

01:55:33.119 --> 01:55:36.329
but you know i mean it was like only like 18 and up and so

01:55:36.329 --> 01:55:38.319
i'm sure with all the other stuff it

01:55:38.319 --> 01:55:42.420
really is for kids but and since our hoa people are here

01:55:42.420 --> 01:55:45.359
the current amenity center we really

01:55:45.359 --> 01:55:48.189
out of a seven day week we really get about three days of

01:55:48.189 --> 01:55:50.640
swimming because it's always shut down for

01:55:53.119 --> 01:55:58.800
people who maintenance and so uh i was wondering if that's

01:55:58.800 --> 01:56:00.079
something that's open for discussion

01:56:00.079 --> 01:56:03.970
with our hoa about having i know that's not you guys but

01:56:03.970 --> 01:56:06.239
this is our hoa people are here

01:56:14.560 --> 01:56:18.550
i'm april woods i'm with first service residential um 1240

01:56:18.550 --> 01:56:22.319
keller parkway keller um right now we've

01:56:22.319 --> 01:56:25.560
had two fecal contaminations in the pool this year both

01:56:25.560 --> 01:56:28.479
caused by young children so not intentional

01:56:28.479 --> 01:56:31.199
and that is something to be expected in a community pool

01:56:31.199 --> 01:56:34.800
going forward in regards to the adult swim i

01:56:34.800 --> 01:56:37.390
believe i've exchanged emails with your husband that is

01:56:37.390 --> 01:56:39.359
something that we can work with the social

01:56:39.359 --> 01:56:41.880
committee to set up perhaps now that we have an additional

01:56:41.880 --> 01:56:43.359
amenity center coming on board

01:56:44.239 --> 01:56:46.500
definitely to reserve some time potentially for an adult

01:56:46.500 --> 01:56:48.560
swim we obviously wouldn't be able to shut

01:56:48.560 --> 01:56:52.260
down the pool to other residents in the community but we

01:56:52.260 --> 01:56:54.720
could certainly recommend that a certain

01:56:54.720 --> 01:56:59.390
time be designated for that going forward nice to meet you

01:56:59.390 --> 01:57:02.479
that's all i have thank you so so this

01:57:02.479 --> 01:57:05.970
is kind of my sense now um i'm really appreciative of the

01:57:05.970 --> 01:57:08.399
neighborhood for coming out a lot of the

01:57:08.399 --> 01:57:12.079
questions seem to be more hoa related than planning and

01:57:12.079 --> 01:57:14.960
zoning related so i'd like to just mention

01:57:14.960 --> 01:57:17.449
that these are fantastic questions and i love your passion

01:57:17.449 --> 01:57:18.960
and i love your involvement in your

01:57:18.960 --> 01:57:23.260
neighborhood but perhaps if it's an hoa specific question

01:57:23.260 --> 01:57:25.680
you can hit up your hoa representative

01:57:26.479 --> 01:57:28.680
and set up another meeting in regards to some of the the

01:57:28.680 --> 01:57:30.640
rules and regulations about this

01:57:31.359 --> 01:57:34.399
yeah and i also wanted to mention too that earl eskobar is

01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:36.800
with the engineering department so he

01:57:36.800 --> 01:57:40.060
would definitely be a good person for y'all to talk to as

01:57:40.060 --> 01:57:42.239
far as working on some improvements

01:57:42.239 --> 01:57:45.869
to crawford road are there any questions or comments for

01:57:45.869 --> 01:57:48.079
the planning and zoning commission

01:57:48.079 --> 01:57:53.970
since this is a public hearing yes sir i'm assuming this i

01:57:53.970 --> 01:57:57.680
'm anthony mcdougall i live at 5200

01:57:57.680 --> 01:58:02.319
brookside drive either or gallo or denton i don't know

01:58:02.319 --> 01:58:03.039
where the line is

01:58:09.439 --> 01:58:15.180
i moved in country lakes in 2003 and this was the brochure

01:58:15.180 --> 01:58:17.680
that we were given when we moved there

01:58:19.119 --> 01:58:22.449
far left-hand corner here is a future school site and right

01:58:22.449 --> 01:58:24.640
above the amenity center that

01:58:24.640 --> 01:58:27.680
they're proposing to build now is also a future school site

01:58:27.680 --> 01:58:32.479
um for the planning and zoning

01:58:32.479 --> 01:58:37.340
commission the question i have is with so many homes coming

01:58:37.340 --> 01:58:40.560
into country lakes now and the

01:58:40.560 --> 01:58:46.739
schools in denton um being overcrowded and schools in argau

01:58:46.739 --> 01:58:50.960
being separated by the line that runs

01:58:50.960 --> 01:58:57.199
through country lakes when is the school going to be built

01:58:57.199 --> 01:59:01.920
or is it going to be built and why

01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:08.479
was the initial school i guess rezoned for a church

01:59:12.960 --> 01:59:15.449
sir a staff person that can answer that yes that'd be julie

01:59:15.449 --> 01:59:18.800
yes i'm sorry commissioner

01:59:18.800 --> 01:59:22.119
tedowitz i believe that uh st mark is planning at some

01:59:22.119 --> 01:59:24.640
point in time to put a parochial school

01:59:24.640 --> 01:59:27.060
i'm sorry i can't i'm i'm sorry i'm sorry i believe this

01:59:27.060 --> 01:59:29.199
the church area that you're talking about is

01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:33.359
st mark and from what i understood being a parishioner

01:59:33.359 --> 01:59:36.079
there is plans to build a

01:59:36.079 --> 01:59:40.930
parochial school on that site catholic school okay now i

01:59:40.930 --> 01:59:44.239
can't honestly say that but that was

01:59:44.239 --> 01:59:47.319
the plan and that's still possibly what and you may know

01:59:47.319 --> 01:59:52.880
more but uh there was a plan development

01:59:52.880 --> 01:59:56.810
amendment for that that catholic church a couple of years

01:59:56.810 --> 01:59:59.199
ago and i don't i don't have all the

01:59:59.199 --> 02:00:03.840
details as to why that a school was no longer contemplated

02:00:03.840 --> 02:00:05.920
for that site and for the other

02:00:05.920 --> 02:00:08.970
school in the neighborhood we don't have an application for

02:00:08.970 --> 02:00:10.800
that at this time so i don't know

02:00:10.800 --> 02:00:13.560
what the timing would be for that so just a placeholder for

02:00:13.560 --> 02:00:15.760
now much much like the amenity

02:00:15.760 --> 02:00:18.909
center was when the detail plan came in commissioner taylor

02:00:18.909 --> 02:00:19.920
thank you chair so

02:00:21.520 --> 02:00:25.199
dentin isd would be the one that would set the time frame

02:00:25.199 --> 02:00:27.680
based on when they have the student

02:00:27.680 --> 02:00:30.060
enrollment or whatever their criteria are right is that

02:00:30.060 --> 02:00:32.960
correct my assumption would be dentin isd

02:00:32.960 --> 02:00:34.789
in conjunction with probably the developer because there's

02:00:34.789 --> 02:00:36.000
probably going to have to be some

02:00:36.000 --> 02:00:38.810
cooperation there because a detail plan amendment is going

02:00:38.810 --> 02:00:42.800
to be required for it so um so but yeah i

02:00:42.800 --> 02:00:48.270
would assume it would once dentin isd needs the school does

02:00:48.270 --> 02:00:51.680
that answer your question sir as best

02:00:51.680 --> 02:00:57.399
as we can i think what i got out of it is no one knows kind

02:00:57.399 --> 02:00:57.760
of

02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:02.119
quick up in the airplane yeah go ahead i can provide the

02:01:02.119 --> 02:01:05.199
staff report to you um that was

02:01:05.199 --> 02:01:07.619
prepared when that catholic church came in if you'd like

02:01:07.619 --> 02:01:09.199
just contact me and i can provide the

02:01:09.199 --> 02:01:12.270
information to you perfect all right all right thank you

02:01:12.270 --> 02:01:14.560
community in action i love it thank you

02:01:14.560 --> 02:01:18.960
thank you very much good question sir yes ma'am

02:01:22.000 --> 02:01:23.350
if you could please state your name and address for the

02:01:23.350 --> 02:01:24.880
record and then be sure to fill out a

02:01:24.880 --> 02:01:28.710
blue card too before you leave thank you my name is therese

02:01:28.710 --> 02:01:30.960
the penny packer and i live at five eight

02:01:30.960 --> 02:01:35.369
oh nine to walk me drive argyle texas um i think this is a

02:01:35.369 --> 02:01:38.960
question for you instead of a soccer field

02:01:39.600 --> 02:01:42.720
would there be any consideration to perhaps a tennis court

02:01:42.720 --> 02:01:45.760
which would bring in less traffic

02:01:45.760 --> 02:01:50.010
a little diversity a little more adult that would be a

02:01:50.010 --> 02:01:52.479
question for your hoa

02:01:53.840 --> 02:01:57.920
okay yes that's a good question now can i get another one

02:01:57.920 --> 02:01:59.760
sure oh yeah you still got time okay um

02:02:00.960 --> 02:02:04.340
the traffic is a concern because i go to work every day and

02:02:04.340 --> 02:02:05.840
it's hard to get in and out and

02:02:05.840 --> 02:02:08.529
when they block off the road for construction like they did

02:02:08.529 --> 02:02:10.960
this week there was no other way to get

02:02:10.960 --> 02:02:15.039
out to 377 unless you got to the railroad track and then

02:02:15.039 --> 02:02:18.479
had to go all the way back to 35 so

02:02:19.119 --> 02:02:22.039
is there ever going to be another way in and out of country

02:02:22.039 --> 02:02:24.720
lakes and i don't know if that's for you

02:02:24.720 --> 02:02:27.659
either that's a good planning and zoning question yeah and

02:02:27.659 --> 02:02:30.720
i think that's probably something that

02:02:31.119 --> 02:02:35.539
earl could address it yeah yeah was that yeah i'm good it's

02:02:35.539 --> 02:02:38.079
great yes thank you thank you

02:02:38.640 --> 02:02:40.550
and then please fill out a blue card too before you leave

02:02:40.550 --> 02:02:42.159
yeah i think they're out there yeah

02:02:48.960 --> 02:02:50.399
does that help a little bit

02:02:54.720 --> 02:02:56.140
john payne eventually will extend to the north as

02:02:56.140 --> 02:02:58.560
development occurs

02:02:58.560 --> 02:03:02.619
um all the way to i believe it's johnson street to correct

02:03:02.619 --> 02:03:06.239
me if i'm incorrect so johnson street is

02:03:06.239 --> 02:03:09.659
the southern boundary line of the entire country lakes

02:03:09.659 --> 02:03:11.920
north or country like yeah country lakes

02:03:11.920 --> 02:03:15.750
north development so eventually the developer will develop

02:03:15.750 --> 02:03:18.079
all phases and as they do so along john

02:03:18.079 --> 02:03:20.699
payne it will extend all the way to johnson to provide that

02:03:20.699 --> 02:03:22.479
point of access but that sounds like

02:03:22.479 --> 02:03:24.729
it's going to be a little ways off and the cementity center

02:03:24.729 --> 02:03:26.720
is going to be coming in sooner so

02:03:26.720 --> 02:03:29.239
addressing her concern about how to get around within the

02:03:29.239 --> 02:03:31.039
neighborhood when they're blocking

02:03:31.039 --> 02:03:36.090
off streets for construction is there a plans a backup plan

02:03:36.090 --> 02:03:38.640
for that construction of the

02:03:38.640 --> 02:03:40.880
amenity center yes ma'am as i understood that was your

02:03:40.880 --> 02:03:42.640
question is when there's probably going to be

02:03:42.640 --> 02:03:45.350
some blocking of lanes with the moving construction

02:03:45.350 --> 02:03:47.359
equipment in and out and that's what i understood

02:03:47.359 --> 02:03:51.229
your question to be yeah could you address that yeah by

02:03:51.229 --> 02:03:53.840
looking at this development uh just site

02:03:53.840 --> 02:03:57.890
plan right now there's no lots to the north of this amenity

02:03:57.890 --> 02:04:00.239
center so there shouldn't be any

02:04:00.800 --> 02:04:03.520
traffic blocked as part of the construction of the amenity

02:04:03.520 --> 02:04:04.399
center itself

02:04:05.199 --> 02:04:08.760
um all the lots proposed along with the amenity center to

02:04:08.760 --> 02:04:12.239
the east and south and so there shouldn't

02:04:12.239 --> 02:04:17.039
be any blockage of of traffic i don't believe okay thanks

02:04:21.520 --> 02:04:25.649
there's no there's no lots to the to the north of this so

02:04:25.649 --> 02:04:27.680
this is at the north end so any

02:04:27.680 --> 02:04:31.300
of the construction is going to be out away from any of the

02:04:31.300 --> 02:04:34.079
existing homeowners as well as any new

02:04:34.079 --> 02:04:37.329
homeowners it's going to be at the far end of that so the

02:04:37.329 --> 02:04:40.159
construction of the center will not affect

02:04:40.159 --> 02:04:42.979
any of the traffic and also what i'm here is the the school

02:04:42.979 --> 02:04:45.199
site up there across the center is

02:04:45.199 --> 02:04:48.920
owned by the denton school district it has been dated to

02:04:48.920 --> 02:04:51.680
them so any questions anybody has about

02:04:51.680 --> 02:04:54.569
when the school is going to be built that doesn't even

02:04:54.569 --> 02:04:56.800
directed to the isd we have met with them on

02:04:56.800 --> 02:05:00.449
numerous times to offer whatever we could to encourage them

02:05:00.449 --> 02:05:02.159
you know to build it but it's

02:05:02.159 --> 02:05:05.579
definitely it's on their radar but you'd have to ask them

02:05:05.579 --> 02:05:08.000
when thank you would it be possible to

02:05:08.000 --> 02:05:11.680
get the the 1999 concept plan up to see the entire

02:05:11.680 --> 02:05:13.039
development sorry

02:05:15.279 --> 02:05:17.279
so

02:05:23.600 --> 02:05:24.119
and so that's johnson is the east west road at the very top

02:05:24.119 --> 02:05:28.479
of the development is that correct

02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:34.670
and so at some point in the future that will become a an

02:05:34.670 --> 02:05:36.159
arterial or

02:05:36.159 --> 02:05:39.810
it would have to be improved once that development that was

02:05:39.810 --> 02:05:41.600
adjacent to it would come in

02:05:46.079 --> 02:05:50.800
and yeah please come forward and say your name and address

02:05:54.560 --> 02:05:57.550
hello my name is jeff greason i live at 5916 eagle mountain

02:05:57.550 --> 02:05:58.239
drive

02:05:58.800 --> 02:06:02.569
argyle denton isd i want to add to the question that she

02:06:02.569 --> 02:06:05.920
had was are there plans and development

02:06:05.920 --> 02:06:05.920
for john payne to extend all the way to either 377 actually

02:06:05.920 --> 02:06:14.399
leave country lakes we only have two

02:06:14.399 --> 02:06:17.939
entrances they come into crawford we talked about was very

02:06:17.939 --> 02:06:19.840
congested you've got ropes and

02:06:19.840 --> 02:06:22.210
ranch coming through you're going to have the hospital

02:06:22.210 --> 02:06:23.760
coming through i understand we don't

02:06:23.760 --> 02:06:27.039
need to talk about crawford we get that but there are only

02:06:27.039 --> 02:06:28.880
two entrances to country lakes

02:06:29.680 --> 02:06:33.869
i'm in the back so john payne comes right past where i

02:06:33.869 --> 02:06:36.880
where i live increased traffic will it

02:06:36.880 --> 02:06:41.479
ever leave country lakes to 377 or to i apologize there's a

02:06:41.479 --> 02:06:43.279
gravel road to the north

02:06:44.079 --> 02:06:46.319
beby johnson that's johnson what's the timing

02:06:50.159 --> 02:06:53.899
i'm not earl do you have no timing at all on does it kind

02:06:53.899 --> 02:06:56.640
of depend on when the neighborhood how

02:06:57.199 --> 02:07:00.819
quickly the neighborhood is built out thank you thank you

02:07:00.819 --> 02:07:02.319
sir and please remember to fill out a

02:07:02.319 --> 02:07:08.260
blue card you got it awesome oops yeah there's no immediate

02:07:08.260 --> 02:07:11.600
plans for the extension of johnson

02:07:11.600 --> 02:07:14.489
road that's the question at this time however with the you

02:07:14.489 --> 02:07:16.319
know the implementation of roadway

02:07:16.319 --> 02:07:19.000
impact fees and this development that comes in there might

02:07:19.000 --> 02:07:21.760
be an opportunity to to extend make

02:07:21.760 --> 02:07:25.489
that extension a lot sooner as a traffic start begin to

02:07:25.489 --> 02:07:28.159
increase and the need for that second

02:07:28.159 --> 02:07:33.649
point is needed thank you is there anyone else that would

02:07:33.649 --> 02:07:36.960
like to speak this is a public hearing

02:07:36.960 --> 02:07:44.760
yes please sir my name is brad quick i live at 9204 benbro

02:07:44.760 --> 02:07:47.359
ok lane in aria and uh

02:07:49.279 --> 02:07:51.289
i'm a engineer for a general contractor large general

02:07:51.289 --> 02:07:53.520
contractor so i look at a lot of this

02:07:53.520 --> 02:07:57.060
and i've actually lived in two places in country lakes

02:07:57.060 --> 02:08:00.239
lived over at 5416 now live in the backside

02:08:00.800 --> 02:08:05.140
where everybody's talking about this and i'm doing what i

02:08:05.140 --> 02:08:06.800
do i've looked at a lot of the plans i've

02:08:06.800 --> 02:08:09.689
talked with the builder quite a lot and i've seen a lot of

02:08:09.689 --> 02:08:11.760
this stuff and i've looked into what the

02:08:11.760 --> 02:08:13.710
city of dentin what city oracle has so i can actually

02:08:13.710 --> 02:08:15.199
answer some of the questions some of

02:08:15.199 --> 02:08:19.369
these people have there's actually three ways in and out of

02:08:19.369 --> 02:08:21.840
country lakes the other two paved

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sections at the front and then when you come up john pain

02:08:25.539 --> 02:08:28.560
where it makes that first hard big right

02:08:28.560 --> 02:08:31.619
hand turn there's a dirt road that connects up to johnson

02:08:31.619 --> 02:08:33.840
also connects to the johnson road connects

02:08:33.840 --> 02:08:37.189
at the bridge you can carry it across and go over towards

02:08:37.189 --> 02:08:41.840
pondor or you can go towards 377 now john

02:08:41.840 --> 02:08:46.449
pain will only go up to johnson road and meet we cannot

02:08:46.449 --> 02:08:51.199
cross from where we're at into the 377 i

02:08:51.199 --> 02:08:54.739
was some people's question because that's the railroad we

02:08:54.739 --> 02:08:56.880
can't we're at where we're at and you

02:08:56.880 --> 02:09:00.310
i know you're speaking about being blocked in well that one

02:09:00.310 --> 02:09:02.560
that has nothing to do with anybody here

02:09:03.199 --> 02:09:04.979
talked to the texas railroad commission because they were

02:09:04.979 --> 02:09:06.560
doing maintenance on the railroad tracks

02:09:06.560 --> 02:09:09.909
which nobody here can handle and i know we do need to get

02:09:09.909 --> 02:09:12.159
that and i think the easiest answer is

02:09:13.039 --> 02:09:17.329
for like crawford road sir just contact your counterpart

02:09:17.329 --> 02:09:19.680
over there it's not too hard when

02:09:19.680 --> 02:09:23.159
you find your info and find find theirs so we can get that

02:09:23.159 --> 02:09:25.520
handled and with the ammendi center

02:09:25.520 --> 02:09:27.720
uh people i know it's it's approved it's going everybody's

02:09:27.720 --> 02:09:29.039
here and there's a lot of questions

02:09:29.039 --> 02:09:32.489
with it uh that's one of the reasons we stayed in the

02:09:32.489 --> 02:09:35.039
neighborhood is to move over and we moved

02:09:35.039 --> 02:09:38.229
where we did because that amenity center going in with the

02:09:38.229 --> 02:09:40.159
school right there and the way the

02:09:40.159 --> 02:09:43.119
amenity center is being ran now compared to what it was

02:09:43.119 --> 02:09:45.359
when we first moved in eight years ago it's

02:09:45.359 --> 02:09:47.510
a lot better now with the key card access they're all

02:09:47.510 --> 02:09:49.600
having a lot less vandalism and people are

02:09:49.600 --> 02:09:51.909
concerned about the vandalism that's the kids that live in

02:09:51.909 --> 02:09:55.119
the neighborhood that's who you're

02:09:55.119 --> 02:09:58.369
doing that so it's not outside people it's not anything

02:09:58.369 --> 02:10:00.640
like that and with the traffic concerns

02:10:01.600 --> 02:10:03.609
i don't see more traffic concerns than what we have now it

02:10:03.609 --> 02:10:05.359
's going to be just like the one

02:10:06.159 --> 02:10:09.520
that's in existence now on the argon side that was now serv

02:10:09.520 --> 02:10:12.399
icing everybody i have my 16 year old son

02:10:12.399 --> 02:10:15.649
i have a 17 year old sister that lives with me they make

02:10:15.649 --> 02:10:18.079
that walk to go i want them to stay closer

02:10:19.520 --> 02:10:21.840
and so there actually gets more traffic now because people

02:10:21.840 --> 02:10:23.760
are having to drive over

02:10:23.760 --> 02:10:26.079
because you want these kids walking 105 degree temperature

02:10:26.079 --> 02:10:29.279
so any other concerns with that or

02:10:29.279 --> 02:10:32.319
with the zoning and how many parking spaces are there this

02:10:32.319 --> 02:10:34.479
is definitely bigger and it's got more

02:10:34.479 --> 02:10:37.649
than what's currently existing servicing the entire

02:10:37.649 --> 02:10:40.800
neighborhood so there shouldn't be any questions or

02:10:41.439 --> 02:10:43.880
concerns with it i think it's one of those that should be

02:10:43.880 --> 02:10:46.880
just get done right away it's being

02:10:46.880 --> 02:10:50.460
managed pretty well with what we have existing and like i

02:10:50.460 --> 02:10:53.039
said it's on john payne there's no

02:10:53.039 --> 02:10:56.960
parking on there there's no shoulder it's large sidewalks

02:10:56.960 --> 02:10:59.439
four lane road and just like it is now

02:10:59.439 --> 02:11:01.659
most people are going to walk to it they're going to go to

02:11:01.659 --> 02:11:04.319
it and go there it's going to be

02:11:05.680 --> 02:11:07.670
actually help the neighborhood and actually cut down on

02:11:07.670 --> 02:11:10.319
traffic going to the other amenity center

02:11:10.319 --> 02:11:14.239
where they've had we've had to install stop signs where

02:11:14.239 --> 02:11:16.000
there were none because of the increased

02:11:16.000 --> 02:11:19.310
traffic of more people moving in the neighborhood thank you

02:11:19.310 --> 02:11:22.560
sorry so thank you um

02:11:23.279 --> 02:11:25.869
just for the record then are you are you for or against the

02:11:25.869 --> 02:11:27.920
i afford this okay that's the whole

02:11:27.920 --> 02:11:30.800
reason we moved where we did we were leaving the house that

02:11:30.800 --> 02:11:32.640
we were renting there so we've been

02:11:32.640 --> 02:11:35.229
there in that neighborhood for eight years and we decided

02:11:35.229 --> 02:11:36.960
to buy the people we were written from

02:11:36.960 --> 02:11:39.119
didn't want to sell but we love the neighborhood so much

02:11:39.119 --> 02:11:40.880
with everything that it is especially when

02:11:40.880 --> 02:11:44.460
the new company took over the new property management

02:11:44.460 --> 02:11:46.880
company took over they improved it

02:11:46.880 --> 02:11:49.479
immensely especially with the amenity center and because

02:11:49.479 --> 02:11:51.119
that mandy center and the school was

02:11:51.119 --> 02:11:54.069
getting built in over there that's why we moved where we

02:11:54.069 --> 02:11:56.239
did we stayed inside the neighborhood

02:11:56.239 --> 02:11:59.529
because we like the one that was there we like how they've

02:11:59.529 --> 02:12:01.520
done it this one's going to be a lot

02:12:01.520 --> 02:12:04.680
better and everything is there it's just going to be just

02:12:04.680 --> 02:12:06.880
for the residents it's not it's not open

02:12:06.880 --> 02:12:09.840
to the public just like it is currently right now with

02:12:09.840 --> 02:12:12.000
everything you know we have our dogs

02:12:12.000 --> 02:12:15.149
we run them around and on the grass and everything like

02:12:15.149 --> 02:12:17.840
that so this is going to be really good it's

02:12:17.840 --> 02:12:20.720
going to be better for the people better for everybody and

02:12:20.720 --> 02:12:23.840
this is made for families so that's

02:12:23.840 --> 02:12:26.609
what it needs to be what it is so i'm all for this and i

02:12:26.609 --> 02:12:28.640
can't wait for it to open up because

02:12:28.640 --> 02:12:32.609
that's a long walk in flip-flops to get over there thank

02:12:32.609 --> 02:12:33.920
you sir thank you

02:12:36.079 --> 02:12:39.119
this is a public hearing does anyone who'd like to speak

02:12:39.119 --> 02:12:40.479
for against the side if you have any

02:12:40.479 --> 02:12:43.199
questions it's a good chance for you to do it yeah please

02:12:47.840 --> 02:12:53.989
thank you my name is angela jack i'm at 5413 balmora drive

02:12:53.989 --> 02:12:56.800
and i don't know if this is so

02:12:56.800 --> 02:12:59.569
much a planning and zoning but with all the new

02:12:59.569 --> 02:13:02.720
construction and if there was a way that the trucks

02:13:02.720 --> 02:13:06.869
could come in a different route and save crawford road i

02:13:06.869 --> 02:13:09.600
would just like to make that appeal

02:13:10.399 --> 02:13:14.180
because we have bikers on crawford we have runners we have

02:13:14.180 --> 02:13:16.640
people leaving and going to work and

02:13:16.640 --> 02:13:20.420
same time and so we just it's a very dangerous road and so

02:13:20.420 --> 02:13:22.880
the more the big trucks are on there

02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:28.890
the more dangerous it gets so thank you is that would that

02:13:28.890 --> 02:13:31.920
be a p and z question or is that an

02:13:31.920 --> 02:13:34.619
hoa question is that something that we can address is the

02:13:34.619 --> 02:13:36.720
traffic flow of the construction vehicles

02:13:37.680 --> 02:13:42.079
yes how would how would we like to address that

02:13:45.600 --> 02:13:46.560
come on girl

02:13:50.640 --> 02:13:54.810
you get no workout tonight or all see if i can go back to

02:13:54.810 --> 02:13:57.359
the presentation here

02:14:03.520 --> 02:14:14.560
oh wow

02:14:15.680 --> 02:14:16.800
am i going the right direction

02:14:19.520 --> 02:14:30.560
i'm sorry

02:14:37.680 --> 02:14:40.560
i might need the developer's assistance here mr douglas um

02:14:42.399 --> 02:14:48.949
the amenity center is part of a phase that three b three b

02:14:48.949 --> 02:14:52.239
and so if the i think in terms of

02:14:52.239 --> 02:14:55.670
construction traffic if you can limit it to just john pain

02:14:55.670 --> 02:14:57.520
and come around and not impact the

02:14:57.520 --> 02:15:00.109
local roads i think that would be the approach that you

02:15:00.109 --> 02:15:03.680
might have to take again we've instructed all

02:15:03.680 --> 02:15:08.699
our contractors and the truck drivers to use john pain and

02:15:08.699 --> 02:15:11.680
in fact even in the rush time which truck

02:15:11.680 --> 02:15:15.239
drivers did like this we actually had them going up old

02:15:15.239 --> 02:15:18.079
john pain and across johnson road so we did

02:15:18.079 --> 02:15:21.479
try to do that however you know we can't control every

02:15:21.479 --> 02:15:24.159
truck that comes in and out of there but we

02:15:24.159 --> 02:15:27.659
did our very best as we was developing this phase to bring

02:15:27.659 --> 02:15:30.159
as much traffic in across johnson road

02:15:30.159 --> 02:15:33.649
but again there's always that that road driver and again

02:15:33.649 --> 02:15:35.920
there's a lot of other traffic not just what

02:15:35.920 --> 02:15:39.079
we're doing development but there's home building there's

02:15:39.079 --> 02:15:41.199
moving vans there's all kinds of other

02:15:41.199 --> 02:15:43.869
truck and there's other trucks using cropper roads not even

02:15:43.869 --> 02:15:45.439
associated with our subdivision

02:15:45.439 --> 02:15:48.590
so again there there is a lot and i understand it's a two

02:15:48.590 --> 02:15:51.359
lane two lane road but we do everything

02:15:51.359 --> 02:15:54.689
we can to bring as much of the heavier truck traffic in

02:15:54.689 --> 02:15:57.199
from johnson road and down old john pang

02:15:59.520 --> 02:15:59.920
thank you

02:16:05.520 --> 02:16:06.890
anyone else would like to speak for or against this item or

02:16:06.890 --> 02:16:08.720
any questions

02:16:11.359 --> 02:16:14.439
you all feel it empowered with knowledge you know what's

02:16:14.439 --> 02:16:18.560
going on now love it okay so with that i'm

02:16:18.560 --> 02:16:21.920
going to close the public hearing thank you for sticking

02:16:21.920 --> 02:16:24.319
around so late tonight and i'm going to

02:16:24.319 --> 02:16:27.600
open it up for discussion or a motion from the commission

02:16:31.119 --> 02:16:32.319
commissioner beck

02:16:38.319 --> 02:16:41.350
i forget that i would like to thank everybody for coming in

02:16:41.350 --> 02:16:43.600
tonight i appreciate it and though

02:16:43.600 --> 02:16:46.760
you asked some things that we can't address this commission

02:16:46.760 --> 02:16:48.799
it's good to see people getting

02:16:48.799 --> 02:16:51.879
involved uh and and trying to make things happen so i do

02:16:51.879 --> 02:16:54.319
appreciate you all making it out tonight

02:16:54.319 --> 02:16:57.059
and again as far as crawford road is concerned remember the

02:16:57.059 --> 02:16:58.719
other half of that is our guys so

02:16:58.719 --> 02:17:01.799
take this group of people and take it to the heart of city

02:17:01.799 --> 02:17:04.559
commissioners over there and uh try and

02:17:04.559 --> 02:17:07.459
get them to help you with that aspect of that road

02:17:07.459 --> 02:17:10.479
improvement too and uh with that being said i

02:17:10.479 --> 02:17:13.200
would like to motion that we approve this agenda

02:17:16.399 --> 02:17:18.719
commissioner rooselle second

02:17:21.040 --> 02:17:23.440
any discussion about this

02:17:25.040 --> 02:17:27.139
i just like to say one once more thank you all for sticking

02:17:27.139 --> 02:17:29.920
around on a school night it's so late

02:17:29.920 --> 02:17:33.500
and uh i really i can tell that you're a very engaged uh

02:17:33.500 --> 02:17:36.159
community and a strong neighborhood

02:17:36.159 --> 02:17:38.750
it's a lot of questions unfortunately that we can't really

02:17:38.750 --> 02:17:40.399
address tonight but it sounds like we

02:17:40.399 --> 02:17:42.840
have all the right people in the right room together so i

02:17:42.840 --> 02:17:44.159
encourage you to meet with each

02:17:44.159 --> 02:17:46.649
other after the meeting so you can really work out the

02:17:46.649 --> 02:17:48.799
finer details with this with this project at

02:17:48.799 --> 02:17:52.559
your hoa so with that let's vote on the board

02:17:59.920 --> 02:18:04.559
um

02:18:04.799 --> 02:18:07.319
the motion does pass five zero thank you very much for

02:18:07.319 --> 02:18:07.920
coming out

02:18:10.719 --> 02:18:14.469
um and then item i guess that's it any are there any

02:18:14.469 --> 02:18:16.719
concluding items that we need to address

02:18:17.440 --> 02:18:20.680
yes we're good all right yeah i'm sorry commissioner

02:18:20.680 --> 02:18:23.360
commissioner beck thank you chair

02:18:23.920 --> 02:18:27.750
uh i have recently been made aware of and have been reading

02:18:27.750 --> 02:18:30.239
some material on a lot of communities

02:18:30.799 --> 02:18:33.670
that are reducing and even eliminating their parking

02:18:33.670 --> 02:18:37.280
requirements um and it's kind of a win-win

02:18:37.280 --> 02:18:41.690
situation uh developers you know it keeps their costs down

02:18:41.690 --> 02:18:44.000
it opens up more green space for the

02:18:44.000 --> 02:18:47.309
community and uh hold just hold that thought one second

02:18:47.309 --> 02:18:49.440
commissioner beck will we let the room

02:18:49.440 --> 02:18:57.040
clear okay it's kind of hard to hear you

02:19:06.399 --> 02:19:13.040
okay i didn't know it had volume control

02:19:13.040 --> 02:19:18.629
you guys came in line i appreciate it all right let's try

02:19:18.629 --> 02:19:20.000
that again let me just turn up my turn

02:19:20.000 --> 02:19:23.459
up your ears as i tell my kids turn up your ears all right

02:19:23.459 --> 02:19:25.680
let's try it again am i good to go yeah

02:19:26.799 --> 02:19:29.459
i've been lately made aware of and i've read a lot of

02:19:29.459 --> 02:19:32.479
material on a lot of communities uh that are

02:19:32.479 --> 02:19:36.239
reducing or even eliminating their parking requirements and

02:19:36.239 --> 02:19:38.079
it's kind of a win-win situation

02:19:38.079 --> 02:19:41.049
for everybody developers are spending less as a result of

02:19:41.049 --> 02:19:42.879
it and it opens up more green space

02:19:42.879 --> 02:19:45.469
for the community and and and with fewer parking space

02:19:45.469 --> 02:19:48.079
especially if it's in uh dense populated

02:19:48.079 --> 02:19:52.149
areas it encourages people to ride their bikes walk so that

02:19:52.149 --> 02:19:55.040
being said i would like uh for this

02:19:55.040 --> 02:19:58.209
commission to review parking space requirements as laid out

02:19:58.209 --> 02:20:00.399
in sub chapter 14 in the development

02:20:00.399 --> 02:20:05.549
code sections 35.14.1 through 35.14.10 for the express

02:20:05.549 --> 02:20:08.079
purpose of reducing such spaces to expand

02:20:08.079 --> 02:20:11.270
our green space and encourage fewer people to drive their

02:20:11.270 --> 02:20:13.040
autist to places within short

02:20:13.040 --> 02:20:19.899
distances of their home well stated sir okay for a future

02:20:19.899 --> 02:20:22.079
agenda item how to do

02:20:22.719 --> 02:20:24.719
larry i'm gonna ask you to email me that request the

02:20:24.719 --> 02:20:26.879
commission has heard it it's on the record

02:20:26.879 --> 02:20:28.879
but if you could email it to me and then we'll take care

02:20:28.879 --> 02:20:32.559
from there i heard you larry loud and

02:20:32.559 --> 02:20:37.799
clear anything else okay that will conclude our meeting the

02:20:37.799 --> 02:20:48.719
time is 7 45 thank you very much

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