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>> Donning commission meeting, the time is 5.05 on August

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10th, 2016.

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We do have a quorum present.

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The first item of business for this work session is

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clarification of agenda items for the regular session.

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So I guess we'll call it 2A?

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>> Correct.

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>> Okay, so Cindy Jackson is up to, are there any questions

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, I guess, about item 2A, about the ADP?

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>> You can present them if you don't mind.

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>> Cindy, would you like to make a presentation?

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Thank you.

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>> Definitely. >> Thank you.

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>> Okay, for the record, I am Cindy Jackson, senior planner

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with the planning department, and I'm here to present to

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you ADP 16-5.

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I placed, I gave each of you an updated landscape plan.

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This landscape plan has corrected tree canopy numbers as

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well as landscape area.

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We're here tonight to consider the approval of an alternate

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development plan, an ADP, for

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the construction of a 5,947 square foot medical clinic with

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parking located between the building and the street.

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Building orientation away from the street and an

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alternative front landscape buffer.

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The subject site is located at 4304 Mesa Drive.

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Here's Mesa right here, and it's a double frontage street

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site.

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We've got I-35 frontage road right behind it to the east.

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There are three, I'm sorry, the site is sown regional

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center commercial downtown, our CCD.

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The applicant is requesting three deviations from the Dent

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on Development Code tonight.

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The first deviation is with regards to the orientation of

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the building, section 351313 3A3.

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The primary orientation of a building shall be towards the

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street rather than the parking area.

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The applicant is requesting to orient the building to the

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south.

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The reason for this request is to ensure that it will

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relate to the adjacent property located to the north.

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This is also one of their clinics right here.

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There's two buildings, one here and one that extends right

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here.

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And this is an extension of their facility.

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They want to, what they're trying to do is create a campus

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like atmosphere.

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And these will be connected through the walkways right here

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To mitigate for this, the applicant is proposing a covered

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walkway with brick columns to facilitate the access of

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staff and

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pedestrians towards the side entrance of the building.

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This is what the building would look like from Mesa Drive.

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And this is the south side of the building where the

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entrance is, and you can see right here.

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These columns, as you see when I show you some site

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pictures, also relate to the adjacent facility.

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So they're trying to tie it in a little bit architecturally

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The second deviation is with regard to the location of the

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parking.

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Section 351313 3C1 requires all parking areas to be located

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behind the building or

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on one or both sides of the building.

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They are requesting to have the parking in front of the

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building along Mesa Drive.

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Again, this also relates to the existing site that's

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adjacent to the north.

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The applicant states by locating the parking between the

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building and the street that will aid in,

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again, the desired campus like environment they're trying

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to achieve.

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The last deviation is regard to the landscape buffer due to

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the alignment of the street with the site.

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What we have is a tapered landscape buffer.

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Section 351310C3 of the DDC requires that parking lot shall

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be separated from the street

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frontage by a 15 foot landscape area to reduce visual

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impacts.

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And that a landscape berm with a maximum of one to four

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sides slope on both sides shall be designed

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within that 15 foot landscape buffer to help screen the

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parking lot.

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They are unable to present the 15 foot rectangular and

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they cannot put the berm in because of the drainage of the

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site.

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The site will drain to Mesa Drive and putting a berm in

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would impede the drainage.

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As mitigation for that, they are providing a landscape

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buffer that is 19 feet at the south end and 10 feet wide at

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the north end.

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The area of that landscape buffer is larger than the area

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that you would get for

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regular 15 by whatever the frontage is, landscape buffer.

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I have the numbers here.

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I'm sorry, I don't have them, but I can get them for you.

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In addition, instead of, in lieu of the berm,

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they are installing a three foot high wrought iron fence

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with 45 shrubs along Mesa Drive.

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The open nature of the wrought iron will facilitate the

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drainage and still provided additional screening for the

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parking lot.

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They are also providing additional mitigation.

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The trees that they are planting all over the site

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will be four and a half inch caliper trees instead of the

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required two inch caliper trees.

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Initially, this will provide a larger canopy for the site.

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However, once the trees are fully grown, you will achieve

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the same canopy as if they had put in a two inch tree.

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They are providing 10% parking lot landscaping.

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7% parking lot landscaping is required, so there are 3%

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above the requirement.

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They are providing 58% parking lot tree canopy.

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Only 15% parking lot tree canopy is required, and this is

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43% above the parking lot tree canopy that is typically

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required.

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The street trees that they are planting along the I-35

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frontage road,

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according to our DDC, only three trees would be required

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along here.

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However, they're doubling the number of trees to six.

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And here's some site photos.

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This is a view of the subject site from Mesa Drive looking

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towards the northeast.

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You can see right here, this is the existing health clinic

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that the applicant owns today.

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And then this is a view of the site towards Mesa Drive from

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the northeast.

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This is the existing clinic, and you can see the columns

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that I mentioned.

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They're a little hard to see behind the cars, but they're

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there.

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And this is the adjacent site, it's a vacant office

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building.

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The application meets all the criteria for approval of ADP

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as outlined in your staff report.

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Staff recommends approval of this request subject to the

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following condition,

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which is the proposed development shall substantially

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comply with the approved site plan, landscape plan, and

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building elevations.

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And that concludes my presentation.

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>> Commissioner Beck.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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I was reading in there on the east side, which faces the

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interstate.

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They're talking about future plans to expand on that side,

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I believe, and then they'll create parking over there too.

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Was there something, and I think I read this in there,

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where that east facing wall was going to allow for another

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entryway, or was I reading that right?

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>> Well, if they are able to actually build the second

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the front of the building will be towards I-35.

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We don't know if that will even be possible.

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This line that you see right here, this is the proposed

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text dot right of way for the widening of I-35.

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>> And it hasn't been finalized yet.

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Text dot hasn't finalized that.

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They haven't indicated what the schedule is for the

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improvement.

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So to be honest, we don't know if that phase will ever

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happen at this point.

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>> Okay, thank you.

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Any other questions for staff?

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Commissioner Taylor.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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If we could stay on this view, I had a few questions

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regarding

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just how our general landscape regulations work.

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I think this is a really good example.

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In the updated landscape plan we have, it indicates that

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this is a 50,000 square foot parcel.

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And that these 23 trees and

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shrubs will provide 26,000 square feet of canopy.

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>> That's correct.

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>> So as an example of, in our discussions about any

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changes to tree ordinance,

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this would be a 50% canopy coverage, or 51, 52% canopy

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coverage,

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by planting these 21 large trees and two great murdles.

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I was curious, the 700 square feet of existing canopy, that

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's all removed in this plan, is that correct?

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>> Pardon me?

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>> That's all going to be removed in this plan?

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>> Yeah, the existing trees are actually within the

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building footprint.

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>> Okay, and so the proposed tree code would actually

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require them to have kept some amount like 30%?

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>> Yes, they will have to comply with the existing tree

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code.

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>> Right, and so they would have had to maybe move the

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building or do something else if they use the new tree code

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Because the new tree code would not have allowed complete

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removal, the future tree code, proposed tree code.

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Because they wouldn't have been able to remove every single

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tree from the lot.

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>> Well that, I'm not sure of.

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>> Yeah, and I know you're not.

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I'm just trying to, just thinking this all through because

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I'm sure in two weeks we're going to be talking about this

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again.

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So it's great to have a real example that we can say, here

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's an example.

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Now, this is showing 56% parking tree canopy or something

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like that, 50.

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>> And I've always been confused by this calculation.

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And I don't know if you can explain it or if-

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>> I'll be honest, I've tried to figure it out myself.

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I've worked here eight years and I'm not familiar with how

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to calculate the tree canopy.

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I've tried to.

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I've had no one explain it to me several times and I'm

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>> Yeah, and so I'm guessing in order to get to 12,000

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square feet of parking lot canopy,

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basically every tree within 15 or 20 feet of the parking

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lot just counts.

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Even if, like the ones 10 feet away that have a 30 foot

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diameter,

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they're only going to be throwing a quarter of their canopy

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onto the pavement, so to speak.

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That they're in the proximity of the parking lots that they

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count, is that correct?

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>> Mm-hm, that's correct.

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>> But then the pavement count is, like the pavement square

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footage,

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does it only include the pavement or does it also include

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all of those medians and stuff around?

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>> For a parking lot, we only include that concrete that is

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part of the parking lot.

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So it would be here and here.

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>> So those little islands that have the trees at the end,

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those would not be included in the parking lot?

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>> These islands are part of the parking lot trees.

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>> Well, the trees are, but the mulch and grass doesn't

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count in the pavement, is that correct?

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>> No, because it's not pavement, it's pervious.

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>> Right, okay.

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So like I said, it's really good to just have an example to

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look at.

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Thank you.

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>> Sure.

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>> Commissioner Beck.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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To move along with the 12,000 square feet of canopy that

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this is a high-end pavement square,

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is that when the trees are mature or is that?

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>> It's for when they're mature.

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>> Okay.

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>> I don't think they quite make it right now.

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Any other questions?

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Thank you.

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>> Sure.

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>> Next item up would be, Cindy, you may want to stay.

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>> I need to go.

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>> Next item would be 2B, consider approval for an ADP for

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the construction of another medical clinic this side on the

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other side of town.

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And again, it's Cindy Jackson.

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>> Okay, again, for the record, I'm Cindy Jackson, senior

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planner with the planning department.

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I'm presenting to you tonight.

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This is ADP number 16-009.

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There we go.

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This is a request for approval of an alternative

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development plan for the construction of a 5,200

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square foot medical office with parking located between the

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street and the building.

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The subject site is located at 3201 Med Park Drive.

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You can see this right here.

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It's zoned regional center commercial neighborhood, RCCN.

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The applicant is requesting a deviation from section 3513,

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133C1, which requires all parking areas to be located

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behind the building or on one or both sides.

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The applicant is proposing to provide this parking, which

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you can see right here,

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a lot between Med Park Drive and the front of the building

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to ensure the site layout of the proposed new medical

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office

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will mirror the adjacent site right here, which you can see

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here's the building,

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here's the parking, and here's the landscape buffer.

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This was also approved by ADP, ADP 8-16.

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And it is going to be a mirror,

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a mirror of the approved landscape plan that was approved

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in 2008.

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Will be the same, the parking locations will be the same,

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and the building orientation will be the same.

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The proposed 15 foot landscape buffer will include, as

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required,

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four large trees planted for every 40 linear feet, which

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you can see right here.

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Two foot high berm and 48 landscape shrubs that you can see

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along here.

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In addition to that requirement, they are also providing

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three ornamental trees

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in between the large trees to add further screening for the

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parking lot.

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This is exactly the same type of landscaping that was

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approved here.

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I'm going to have a picture of it later on in my

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presentation.

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The additional mitigation that the applicant is providing

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is an overall open space of 30,

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they provide 15%, I've got it backwards here, I'm sorry.

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Providing 34.63% open space and required is 15% open space.

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The open space you can see is located here and it is very

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much like the open space on the adjacent lot.

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This is all easements, they're public utility easements,

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drainage easements, and floodway easements located here.

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And in the pictures you can see here's the public utility

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easement, which is an overhead power line.

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And right here you can see the drainage way, and it curves

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up around the back of the property.

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This is the site itself right here, looking at it from Med

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Park.

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This is the approved landscape buffer for the adjacent site

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with the berm, the trees, and the ornamentals and shrubs.

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This application as presented, it meets all the

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requirements and

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the criteria for approval of an alternate development plan.

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Staff therefore recommends approval with the condition that

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the proposed development shall substantially conform to the

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approved site plan and landscape plan.

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That concludes my presentation.

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>> Any questions?

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>> Yeah. >> Commissioner Dadovitz.

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>> Just for clarification, the property's across the street

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, across Med Park.

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>> Did they get deviation approval because they have front

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parking also?

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>> Let me see here.

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Correct, did you see that?

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>> Yes, they did.

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>> Okay, so where- >> Across the street, they got an ADP

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for

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front parking and they also got a variance on the number of

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parking spaces.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Commissioner Rossell.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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For clarification, excuse me, and maybe some context, if

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someone can help me out.

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The zoning RCCN, does it have the same requirement that the

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building be facing the street as does RCCD?

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>> Yes.

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>> So there's a requirement by both of those for the

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building to face forward, but both of those have a

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requirement that parking cannot be in the front.

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So by code, you have to park on the side or behind the

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building and walk around to the front?

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>> Mm-hm.

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>> Can someone help me understand maybe from just like a

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architectural or what's the rationale behind that?

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Why not have the- >> The rationale is to prevent having

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walls of concrete facing the street at interest to the

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street character.

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Many times when you have an entrance facing the street,

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there's additional entrances around the building as well.

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To facilitate the people who are parking behind the

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building or at the sides.

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>> If I can.

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>> Okay. >> Chair.

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>> Sorry, Commissioner Taylor.

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>> Yeah, just wanted to expand on that.

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>> Please.

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>> Yeah, so this is in order to give greater character from

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the street and

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prevent either a sea of parking lots or the backs of

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buildings just being all of the street face.

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That's the idea behind street facing buildings.

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And I believe it was added in the 99 code revisions site.

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So it's been around since 1999.

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And you'll see a lot of places now in town where they've

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begun to do that.

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And they typically have rear entries, if you will.

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But they'll have a facade on the front of the building that

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makes it appealing to the street.

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And you can tell what the business is from the street.

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But then you pull around to the parking lot and there's

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walkways and entrances on the back as well.

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Things like medical offices will usually have one big

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entrance on the front that may not get used very much.

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And then five or six entrances on the back.

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A shopping center, same thing.

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I have an entrance on the hard corner front and

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then another entrance on the corner facing the parking lot

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behind it.

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Like the CVS at Avenue B and is that Oak?

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And so again, it's just to prevent, especially in town

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areas,

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to prevent having just a sea of parking as you drive down

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the street.

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>> Gotcha.

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>> Kind of bring the life to the street.

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>> It just adds to the whole character of the street and

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makes it much more walkable and

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more pleasant for pedestrians as well as just the

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appearance.

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>> Yeah, no, I appreciate the context of help.

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I'm just trying to wrap my brain around it.

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If I was building a building, you basically have to build

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two entrances per building, it sounds like.

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If you're a developer, you have to make this beautiful one

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for the street that no one's going to use.

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I'm not looking to change, I'm just trying to understand

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what we're going to look at.

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>> Yeah, and it does seem, I mean, I get it.

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There's a really fantastic book called The Geography of Now

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here that talks exactly about this,

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about you have these little islands of concrete and nothing

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's really connected.

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So I get the intention, especially in our comprehensive

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plan,

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if we want to be building more transportation modalities

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than just cars,

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then we need to make it appealing for people who do want to

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walk.

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But considering this part of town, and considering that the

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people who are going to be going to this side of town

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probably are not in the best of health, right?

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So it seemed to me to make more sense rather than asking

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every applicant to apply for

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a new ADP to maybe somehow have some sort of overlay so

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that everything is cohesive,

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where you are going to have the parking lot between the

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street and the building.

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So it seems like there's still much more to be built out

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there, and I don't know if that's something that the rezone

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committee could look at.

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But just to kind of save some staff time and save the

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applicant some money too.

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>> I believe that's something that is being looked at, isn

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't it, Manal?

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>> We are revisiting the, eventually we hope to have a

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contract signed and

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moving forward with the overall of the Denton Development

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Code.

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However, when it comes to the city initiated rezoning

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committee that we have,

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the purview related to development code would not be there

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as it would be.

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But it's something we can definitely look at and visit.

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We're already addressing and looking into the thresholds

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for an alternative development plan as well.

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And we should be presenting that eminently to the planning

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and zoning commission.

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And let's determine why variances are being requested and

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what variances actually need to come forward.

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>> Commissioner Dadovitz.

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>> I kind of agree with what you're saying.

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You're making it more business friendly.

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Parking it back, you have to move around.

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I think a good solution is what we're seeing here is adding

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the tremendous amount of landscaping,

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the buffers and the trees which are softens that hard

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parking parking only and entrance.

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But a business should be allowed to pick what's best for

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them and their clients and yet,

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but having an aesthetic view of a street view that is not

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concrete like we have some places here.

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So I think this is a good solution.

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It complements what's next door.

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We've already made changes across the road.

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>> And if you look at the previous case that I just

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described with the building oriented to the side,

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if you look, it's a medical clinic and if you look, let me

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go back to that.

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They have a drop off area for patients at the side here.

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>> I understand, yeah.

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But I think the landscaping solves a lot of problems and

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that may be something to look at in the future.

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I think that is an alternative.

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>> Did you have a question?

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>> Yeah. >> Commissioner Taylor.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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Actually, to follow up on one of your comments, we

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obviously have large areas of town that are car centric.

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They are oriented toward highways.

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They, 98% of the people that get to those buildings get

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there by driving.

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But if we just, if we make overlays or zones that allow

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this or

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require the car centric design and parking up front,

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we will be permanently writing them off to never be

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pedestrian friendly.

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And in this case, this is very car oriented.

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It's right next to the interstate, very close to loop 288.

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But it's also maybe 200 or 300 yards from the train station

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.

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And there is some residential, some apartments down there

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that try and make that area walkable.

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You could live in the apartments and walk to the train

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station, take the train to work or whatever.

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And so for us to, I'm very leery of just declaring that

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either entire zoning categories or

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entire areas of town don't have to be designed for

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pedestrians or to be pretty or things like that.

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I think there is a balance here because we'll see a lot of

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these ADPs that's nothing more than we want the parking lot

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in front.

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And in this case, it's matching the surrounding area, but

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the first one in that area did it that way.

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And of course, if the first building went in with the

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building of the street and the parking lot behind,

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probably none of this block would have had ADPs.

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Everybody would have just matched the existing built

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structure.

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>> Who approved that?

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I'm just kidding.

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That's a very good point though, yeah.

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>> So there is the case of you have to start the

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transformation to building toward the street.

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>> I have a question about landscaping.

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I'm going to jump in here.

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I had requested this a long time ago for us to look at when

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they're, so they have an ADP and

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so they have to make certain accommodations, there's a

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little give and take.

526
00:26:21,319 --> 00:26:23,910
And one of that is, well, let's see what we can do to

527
00:26:23,910 --> 00:26:26,900
improve the landscape requirements and put some more green

528
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:27,440
there.

529
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,490
I'm curious why Bermuda grass is still included in the

530
00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:33,599
landscape requirement.

531
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:37,059
When we, though we're not in a drought now, it wasn't too

532
00:26:37,059 --> 00:26:38,640
long ago that we were.

533
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,009
And I had asked about reviewing some of this, looking at

534
00:26:42,009 --> 00:26:45,079
more zero escaping requirements,

535
00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:50,799
especially in cases of ADPs, so that they're using less

536
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:53,680
water intensive landscaping materials.

537
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,279
Seems like that could be a good give and take.

538
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:58,380
So has there been any, is that something we can talk about

539
00:26:58,380 --> 00:26:58,839
now?

540
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:00,200
Any progress on that?

541
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,740
>> Absolutely, if you recall, and I do recall your question

542
00:27:03,740 --> 00:27:05,839
that came up at one of our meetings.

543
00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:08,490
And I believe the landscape ordinance currently does have a

544
00:27:08,490 --> 00:27:09,960
zero escaping element to it.

545
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,759
It does have a component in there.

546
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:16,200
And although it's not, in terms of ADP, what are you doing?

547
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,319
Can you add zero escaping to that?

548
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:22,750
We are looking at, as we're reviewing our tree code, as it

549
00:27:22,750 --> 00:27:24,359
relates to preservation and mitigation,

550
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,569
we're also going to dive subsequently after that into our

551
00:27:27,569 --> 00:27:30,039
tree landscaping screening and landscaping.

552
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:33,119
>> I'm glad that that's in there.

553
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:38,049
I don't feel that Bermuda grass ought to be, though it's

554
00:27:38,049 --> 00:27:38,720
pretty,

555
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,309
I don't think it necessarily meets our goals and our

556
00:27:41,309 --> 00:27:44,039
comprehensive plan of being a sustainable city.

557
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:44,680
>> Sure.

558
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,720
>> Because it's so water-

559
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,890
>> I'd caution you were going a little bit out of the items

560
00:27:47,890 --> 00:27:48,119
.

561
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:48,839
>> Okay, sorry.

562
00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:51,799
I just would like for us to address that in the future now.

563
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:52,519
>> No, definitely.

564
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:54,200
>> All right, thank you.

565
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,359
Any other questions for staff?

566
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,359
Okay, thank you, Cindy.

567
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:06,680
>> Okay, the next item would be 3A, public hearing, rez

568
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,160
oning from NR4 to NRMU.

569
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,079
Mike, did you want to give a presentation on this?

570
00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:14,849
Is there anything that you want to, the applicant has

571
00:28:14,849 --> 00:28:18,160
requested that we continue this until September 14th.

572
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,650
>> I don't have a presentation that I'd be happy to answer

573
00:28:20,650 --> 00:28:21,519
any questions.

574
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:24,440
>> I'm sorry, did you hear the applicant has?

575
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,740
>> They requested to continue this until September 14th, so

576
00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:29,799
we won't be hearing this item tonight.

577
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:32,410
>> Correct, I don't have a presentation prepared, but I'm

578
00:28:32,410 --> 00:28:33,920
happy to answer or

579
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,039
look into something for you for the September 14th meeting

580
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:37,680
if there's something you were curious about.

581
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,359
>> Just curious, is there a reason for the postponement?

582
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,410
>> They're looking to see if they can make it work without

583
00:28:44,410 --> 00:28:45,400
the rezoning.

584
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,279
I think that's what we're looking at, so.

585
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:48,559
>> I'm sorry, make it pass?

586
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:49,759
>> They're trying to- >> Without the rezoning?

587
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:52,269
>> Really don't need the rezoning to make their project

588
00:28:52,269 --> 00:28:52,720
work.

589
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,640
>> Commissioner Dedowitz.

590
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,960
>> Okay, having said that, you're recommending denial.

591
00:28:58,279 --> 00:28:58,799
>> Right.

592
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:01,400
>> Okay, can you give us the reasons?

593
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:04,960
>> Well, all the reasons were outlined in the backup, but

594
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:05,960
specifically,

595
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,789
it's intrusion into a single family neighborhood that if it

596
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:10,279
were anywhere else in town,

597
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,970
you probably wouldn't see any support for that type of rez

598
00:29:12,970 --> 00:29:13,480
oning.

599
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,880
That's essentially what it is.

600
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,960
>> The reason I bring that up is because as I look at it,

601
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,119
and I would probably agree with the denial because

602
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:22,609
what we've been trying to do with some of our rezoning

603
00:29:22,609 --> 00:29:24,559
committees looking at what's there now and

604
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:27,319
all of a sudden now we're going to pop in a different zone

605
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:29,839
and then we're going to go back to this hodgepodge.

606
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:33,200
Peninsula sitting in residential areas.

607
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,160
So, but they're going to continue it.

608
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:36,680
Thank you.

609
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,519
>> Commissioner Beck.

610
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:43,039
>> I'd like to address the elephant in the room thing.

611
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,910
This if I can, maybe this isn't the right time, but a

612
00:29:45,910 --> 00:29:46,960
notification.

613
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,839
I noticed a bunch of notifications went out.

614
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:51,799
And again, this is something I brought up before.

615
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:55,329
And I talked about this and I hope, you know, want to get

616
00:29:55,329 --> 00:29:56,559
an update where we're at.

617
00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:00,789
This is a good example of a bunch of notices going out and

618
00:30:00,789 --> 00:30:02,480
not a single one responding to it.

619
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,839
So just want to cite that here.

620
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,789
>> Actually, I actually do have some responses, but because

621
00:30:09,789 --> 00:30:10,880
we weren't hearing it tonight,

622
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,000
they came in after the staff report was prepared.

623
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,369
We typically do because of the time it takes for people to

624
00:30:15,369 --> 00:30:18,200
get the notices and pick them up and send them back.

625
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,329
Sometimes they're not always ready by the time the report

626
00:30:20,329 --> 00:30:20,839
goes out.

627
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:22,799
And that's when we bring them to the actual meeting.

628
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,390
Because we weren't hearing it tonight, I didn't bring them

629
00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:24,799
with me.

630
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:25,960
But there are a few.

631
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:26,460
>> Okay.

632
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:30,400
>> And we will be coming back with that process as well.

633
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,960
>> Thank you. >> We have not forgotten.

634
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:32,460
>> Okay.

635
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:38,720
>> So I think what will happen tonight, this is my only,

636
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,819
love when you guys throw curve balls at me when I step into

637
00:30:42,819 --> 00:30:43,680
chairs.

638
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,680
>> At least we didn't change the agenda.

639
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,880
>> That was mean last time.

640
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,049
>> So I think what we're going to do is, well, I'll open

641
00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:51,960
the public,

642
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,079
at the start of the meeting I'd like to inform anyone in

643
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:56,119
the audience that we're going to continue it.

644
00:30:56,119 --> 00:31:01,039
But I'll open the public hearing and then someone will make

645
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:03,279
a motion to continue this item.

646
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:05,799
>> You'll have to do it prior to opening the public hearing

647
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:06,039
.

648
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:08,559
Unless you're in the public hearing and you want to

649
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:10,119
continue it to another day.

650
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:11,079
And then you'll-

651
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:12,640
>> You would just say the item is being continued.

652
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,240
>> Right. >> The item is being continued.

653
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,720
And we don't need to make a motion to continue it then.

654
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,799
>> No, not if you're in the public hearing.

655
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,599
Do you want to republish it or are they withdrawing it or?

656
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:23,640
>> We'd like to open the public hearing and postpone it.

657
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:24,160
>> Okay, okay.

658
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:24,660
>> Yeah.

659
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:27,279
>> You can move me in during the break and just tell me

660
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:27,960
what I got to say.

661
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,000
Okay.

662
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:29,920
Great.

663
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,440
Thank you.

664
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:37,319
Okay, and then 3B, hold another public hearing for

665
00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:40,599
another rezone request from NR2 to NRMU.

666
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:42,920
This was, is this the Ryan High School?

667
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,240
Teasley, Teasley.

668
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,240
Yes, Teasley.

669
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,279
Yes, okay.

670
00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:50,480
And that one, who's doing the staff report?

671
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:52,599
Please, join us.

672
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:53,119
Thank you.

673
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:55,759
There you are, Haley, I see you there.

674
00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:59,079
There's a lot of words in that one.

675
00:31:59,079 --> 00:31:59,880
>> Yes, there are.

676
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,559
>> You were at the very end.

677
00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:02,279
Thank you, Haley.

678
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:05,440
>> So for the record, Haley Zagurski, Assistant Planner.

679
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,720
And this is case Z1610, Teasley Lane High School Edition.

680
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:12,839
So the request is to consider making a recommendation to

681
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:14,759
City Council regarding a rezoning of

682
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:18,019
approximately 80.49 acres from both the neighborhood

683
00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:19,960
residential two zoning and

684
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,009
a neighborhood residential mixed use zoning district to

685
00:32:23,009 --> 00:32:24,599
community mixed use general.

686
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:27,849
As well as establishing an initial zoning of approximately

687
00:32:27,849 --> 00:32:29,799
1.67 acres from the rural

688
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:33,579
residential RD5X designation to community mixed use general

689
00:32:33,579 --> 00:32:33,799
.

690
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,839
The property is comprised of three parcels located on the

691
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:39,920
east side of Teasley Lane.

692
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,400
You can see parcel one is approximately 70 acres.

693
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,720
That's where the existing Geyer High School is.

694
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,039
Parcels two and three are located just south of that and

695
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:49,119
are currently undeveloped.

696
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,589
The surrounding area is comprised of quite a bit of rural

697
00:32:53,589 --> 00:32:55,359
residential land.

698
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:57,279
There's some single family development in the area.

699
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,849
Adjacent to the east is the Hickory Creek mobile home park

700
00:33:00,849 --> 00:33:01,160
and

701
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,279
then there's an industrial park across the street.

702
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,000
Currently it has a mix of three zonings.

703
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,799
The largest portion being NR2.

704
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,839
The parcel that is NRMU was rezoned from NR2 in 2008,

705
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:18,759
but the development that was intended there never occurred.

706
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:23,319
And then parcel three is split between NR2 and RD5X.

707
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:27,319
Approximately 1.6 acres of it were annexed in 2013 and

708
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:29,400
given the RD5X designation.

709
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:34,599
So the Denton plan, our comp plan future land use map,

710
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:37,440
shows this being a community mixed use area.

711
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,509
So that would be encouraged predominantly commercial use

712
00:33:40,509 --> 00:33:43,079
with complimentary residential service and

713
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:45,720
institutional uses such as high schools.

714
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,309
The intent being to complement the existing uses that are

715
00:33:48,309 --> 00:33:48,920
in the area,

716
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,460
encourage higher design standards, and accommodate

717
00:33:51,460 --> 00:33:52,319
connectivity.

718
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:58,410
So the considerations for this case, the CMG district is

719
00:33:58,410 --> 00:34:00,720
consistent with that future land use designation.

720
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:04,369
With the property being in close proximity to so many

721
00:34:04,369 --> 00:34:05,720
single family neighborhoods,

722
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,179
those uses are supported by this high school's continuation

723
00:34:10,179 --> 00:34:11,000
in the area.

724
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,920
This also promotes some walkability and bicycling in the

725
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,000
area with all the single family uses surrounding it.

726
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,429
And I wanted to note as well that private high schools are

727
00:34:20,429 --> 00:34:25,039
not permitted within the NR2 and RD5X zoning districts.

728
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:28,900
But state law dictates that DISD can develop in any zoning

729
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:29,840
district.

730
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,039
So this rezoning would eliminate an existing nonconformity.

731
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:40,119
The 1.67 acres that were recently annexed as RD5X do not

732
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:43,199
meet the minimum five acre requirement for the RD5 zoning

733
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:44,079
district.

734
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:45,960
So this would eliminate that nonconformity.

735
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,909
The school is intending to expand onto these properties and

736
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:52,199
would like to replat as one lot.

737
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,460
They can do that with the current three zoning designations

738
00:34:55,460 --> 00:34:57,760
, but it would create some complications because

739
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,829
all of the general regulations for each of those zoning

740
00:34:59,829 --> 00:35:02,099
districts would still apply to those pieces of the property

741
00:35:02,099 --> 00:35:02,320
.

742
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,309
And so providing a unified zoning designation would

743
00:35:06,309 --> 00:35:09,639
consolidate all of their development requirements and

744
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:12,159
help them streamline that process moving forward.

745
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:15,460
And in some cases it may even be necessary to allow them to

746
00:35:15,460 --> 00:35:18,699
comply with these regulations for them to have that unified

747
00:35:18,699 --> 00:35:19,159
zoning.

748
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:21,460
Because otherwise any deviation would need to go before ZBA

749
00:35:21,460 --> 00:35:21,639
.

750
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,559
So these are the general regulations for the four zoning

751
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:28,480
districts under consideration here.

752
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,929
You can see for RD5X they're already nonconforming with

753
00:35:31,929 --> 00:35:34,159
that five acre size requirement.

754
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:36,650
And if you go down the list and look, you'll see that some

755
00:35:36,650 --> 00:35:37,760
of these requirements,

756
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,320
such as RD5X having 15% lot coverage as a maximum, might be

757
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,750
challenging for them to meet in the future as they seek to

758
00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:45,480
redevelop.

759
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,250
So the CMG column there on the far right shows you what

760
00:35:48,250 --> 00:35:50,519
they would be looking to move towards.

761
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:55,440
And just some views of the site.

762
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,320
This is on the north side of the campus from Teasley Lane.

763
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,829
Here's the south side of the campus where you can also see

764
00:36:01,829 --> 00:36:05,320
that corner parcel that is currently undeveloped.

765
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,289
And here's a view from the south at the intersection of Te

766
00:36:09,289 --> 00:36:10,039
asley and

767
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:12,539
Old Alton Road that shows the two currently undeveloped

768
00:36:12,539 --> 00:36:13,159
parcels.

769
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,429
Notice was sent out on this and no responses have been

770
00:36:17,429 --> 00:36:18,559
received.

771
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:23,630
And staff is recommending approval of this as it's

772
00:36:23,630 --> 00:36:25,519
supported by the future land use and

773
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:28,250
the surrounding property uses support the continuation of

774
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:29,159
the current use.

775
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:30,199
So I'll stand for any questions.

776
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,559
>> Just want to confirm and clarify.

777
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:38,579
All these parcels, one, two, and three, are the property of

778
00:36:38,579 --> 00:36:39,159
DISD.

779
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:43,360
And in usage will be what DISD dictates.

780
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,199
>> Yes, they're all under common ownership.

781
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:45,920
>> Okay, great, thank you.

782
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:50,039
>> Okay, quick question.

783
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,710
I can't recall if we've seen a case recently where we have,

784
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:57,199
there's like three different

785
00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:59,690
zoning classifications that were all lumping into one

786
00:36:59,690 --> 00:37:00,599
public hearing.

787
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:02,679
And I understand why we're doing it this way.

788
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:05,159
Is that common that we do do that?

789
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:08,840
>> Yes, you can do it separately or you can do it combined.

790
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,429
The advantage of doing it in this manner is because it's a

791
00:37:11,429 --> 00:37:12,559
cohesive approach.

792
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:13,920
It's comprehensively reviewed.

793
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,199
It's a single ownership property.

794
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:15,199
And it just makes more sense because we've already got

795
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:20,679
existing facilities on that site,

796
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:23,300
the majority of the site, we have three parcels that are

797
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:26,239
just hanging out there with different zoning designations.

798
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,079
So we're just bringing it all together as one.

799
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:28,840
>> Just curious, thank you.

800
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,510
>> So if it's single ownership, they can bring the law

801
00:37:30,510 --> 00:37:31,000
forward.

802
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,869
Or you can do it, even if it was separate ownership, you

803
00:37:34,869 --> 00:37:37,320
could notify it in a way,

804
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,199
word it in a way that would accommodate each person, each

805
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:41,239
owner's request.

806
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,150
>> Thank you. I was just kind of curious about that, so

807
00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:43,639
thank you.

808
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:45,880
Any other questions for staff?

809
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:49,760
Thank you, Haley.

810
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,260
>> Thank you.

811
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:54,960
Next item would be 3C.

812
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,719
>> Julie.

813
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,699
>> This is the PD down on Crawford Road, and that would be

814
00:38:03,699 --> 00:38:06,079
Julie Wyatt presenting this.

815
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:06,679
Thank you, Julie.

816
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:07,920
>> Sure.

817
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,880
Lots of PDs tonight.

818
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:11,480
All right.

819
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,280
This request before you is a rezoning for the Ranchview

820
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,000
Specialty Hospital.

821
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,960
I'm Julie Wyatt.

822
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,440
Senior Planning Department.

823
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,800
>> [LAUGH]

824
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,710
>> The request before you is to consider making a

825
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:28,280
recommendation to city council regarding

826
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:36,329
a rezoning from PD 138 to RCCN on approximately three acres

827
00:38:36,329 --> 00:38:36,880
.

828
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,559
The subject property is located along I-35W, just north of

829
00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:42,559
Crawford Road.

830
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:46,519
I'll go into the request a little bit.

831
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:49,460
The applicant is requesting this rezoning in order to

832
00:38:49,460 --> 00:38:53,920
develop the property with a specialty hospital and

833
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,280
associated medical office out parcels.

834
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,340
But remember, when we look at a zoning, we look at all the

835
00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:02,719
uses in the zoning district, not just that use that they're

836
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:03,400
proposing.

837
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,409
The current zoning of the property, and here is the subject

838
00:39:09,409 --> 00:39:10,800
property, sorry, it's a little.

839
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,039
Is PD 138.

840
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:21,920
It is the last part of PD 138 that was approved in 1991.

841
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,679
That concept plan was approved in 1991.

842
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:26,400
A detailed plan, it was never developed.

843
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,679
A detailed plan was never approved for that PD.

844
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:37,119
And much of the, or all of the rest of the PD, and I'll

845
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:39,119
show you the concept plan in a minute,

846
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:43,960
was rezoned and taken into Hunter Ranch MPC.

847
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:49,000
So the adjacent zonings are the Hunter Ranch MPC across I-

848
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,880
35, as well as some RCR1.

849
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,880
You have adjacent to it, to the east, Country Lakes West.

850
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,579
That's another planned development, and although it's the

851
00:39:58,579 --> 00:40:02,639
same green as PD 138, it's actually a different PD.

852
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:06,760
So this is the limit of what's left of PD 138.

853
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,920
This Country Lakes West is another PD.

854
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,309
There is a detailed plan that's approved for this Country

855
00:40:13,309 --> 00:40:16,780
Lakes West, and it is a single family residential plan

856
00:40:16,780 --> 00:40:18,519
development.

857
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:22,219
This area is an open space, and it's encumbered by FEMA

858
00:40:22,219 --> 00:40:23,320
floodplain.

859
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:28,340
To the south is RCCN, and that is the zoning district that

860
00:40:28,340 --> 00:40:29,960
they're requesting.

861
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,679
This NRMU here is actually a mapping error.

862
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:36,440
We checked the zoning when this was zoned for RCCN.

863
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,840
So that NRMU is actually just a mapping error.

864
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,920
Here's the original, just for your information, the

865
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,039
original PD for Hunter Ranch.

866
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:51,739
It was intended to be a business park, an industrial

867
00:40:51,739 --> 00:40:52,880
complex.

868
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,000
It took up quite a bit of acreage.

869
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,519
It went all the way up I-35W.

870
00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:00,800
The subject property is this little bit right here.

871
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,199
I'm not sure why it was left out of the taking in most of

872
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:08,679
the PD to the current Hunter Ranch MPC.

873
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:11,010
I would imagine because it's kind of out down here by

874
00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:12,599
itself, so it's just a remnant of that.

875
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,119
The future land use designation is low density residential.

876
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,949
When we look at the comp plan and we look at analyzing a

877
00:41:21,949 --> 00:41:25,280
rezoning request, we first look at the future land use

878
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,039
designation.

879
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:29,460
And in this instance, it doesn't match with their

880
00:41:29,460 --> 00:41:30,599
requesting.

881
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:37,039
The future land use map is kind of a 30,000 foot view of

882
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,559
how we want the city to develop.

883
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:43,360
And so when you scroll, when you go down to a parcel layer,

884
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,010
it doesn't always make a lot of sense when you get real

885
00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:48,119
close to it.

886
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:51,139
So in this instance, we wanted to move out a little further

887
00:41:51,139 --> 00:41:56,800
and you'll see that there is adjacent future land use of

888
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,159
neighborhood mixed use near it.

889
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:03,699
But when we looked at that, that doesn't really fit maybe

890
00:42:03,699 --> 00:42:07,199
the intent of what the area is going to be.

891
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:10,239
This is adjacent to I-35W.

892
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:11,880
It's on a primary arterial.

893
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,480
And so we had to look a little further at it because it's

894
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,280
not really meeting the future land use designation.

895
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,760
So we looked at the specific site.

896
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,760
We got a little closer in.

897
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,320
And we see here's I-35.

898
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,679
This is a freeway.

899
00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:30,610
Here's Crawford Road, the current mobility plan has that as

900
00:42:30,610 --> 00:42:32,679
the primary major arterial.

901
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:37,320
Here's that residential neighborhood, Country Lakes West.

902
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,239
And here is that flood area.

903
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:44,139
So when we look at this access, this type of configuration

904
00:42:44,139 --> 00:42:46,280
for this access of this property,

905
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,219
we really see that maybe low density residential is maybe

906
00:42:49,219 --> 00:42:51,239
not the most appropriate designation.

907
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,000
That we really should look at other elements within the

908
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,920
dent plan that speak to this zoning case

909
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,099
and look at it from that 30,000 foot view to see what makes

910
00:43:02,099 --> 00:43:02,760
sense.

911
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,119
So we looked at the preferred growth concept.

912
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:14,230
And this map was generated during the public input portion

913
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:17,079
of the comp plan update.

914
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:22,269
And the residents determine where they want to see growth

915
00:43:22,269 --> 00:43:24,840
in the city, where they want to see the high growth.

916
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,800
And you'll see the subject property is just right here.

917
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,250
And this area was identified as a district that we want to

918
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:33,639
see this type of development here.

919
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:37,340
We want compact purposeful growth clustered around distinct

920
00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:38,280
locations.

921
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,019
And this is one of those areas that was determined as one

922
00:43:42,019 --> 00:43:44,320
of those distinct locations.

923
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,539
So this map is really about our metric of what we should be

924
00:43:48,539 --> 00:43:51,039
looking at when we're looking at this property.

925
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:55,190
Particularly because it's on the corner of a freeway, which

926
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:56,280
has high visibility and

927
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,679
high access, and a major arterial, which also has the same.

928
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,079
A public notification was sent out.

929
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,119
We received no responses back.

930
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:09,800
There weren't a lot of public notifications.

931
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,440
There weren't a lot of letters sent out for this one.

932
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,019
But the considerations that we looked at, we looked at

933
00:44:16,019 --> 00:44:17,880
first the future

934
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,360
residential development that's coming in this area.

935
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,840
Robeson Ranch at Build Out will have 7,500 homes.

936
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,760
You've got the Hunter Ranch MPC.

937
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,809
You have Country Lakes West and Country Lakes North that we

938
00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:31,320
're going to be talking about later.

939
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,719
So there's going to be a lot of residential development in

940
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:34,320
this area.

941
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,320
RCCN is a logical extension of the current RCCN.

942
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,239
It's already there today.

943
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:46,199
And by rezoning to RCCN, it'll allow a consistent

944
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:48,199
development pattern for this area.

945
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,650
The proposed RCCN doesn't conform to the future land use

946
00:44:52,650 --> 00:44:53,320
map, but

947
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,570
it is consistent with the comp plan and it's consistent

948
00:44:56,570 --> 00:44:58,840
with the preferred growth concept.

949
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,219
It's also appropriate for the location, given the

950
00:45:01,219 --> 00:45:04,559
visibility and access of I-35W.

951
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:07,860
And these areas at the corner of freeways and arterials are

952
00:45:07,860 --> 00:45:11,440
really the places we want to see commercial development.

953
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,559
We want to see them have that kind of access.

954
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:15,800
It's probably not the most appropriate place for low

955
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:16,960
density residential.

956
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:20,760
So those are the considerations we looked at.

957
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,420
So based upon that, based upon the criteria, we recommend

958
00:45:25,420 --> 00:45:26,679
approval of the request.

959
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:29,679
It's compatible with that land use pattern that we're

960
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:31,079
seeking in that area.

961
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:33,719
And it's also consistent with the goals of the Dent Plan

962
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:34,719
2030.

963
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:35,960
And I'll stand for any questions.

964
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:39,320
>> Commissioner Taylor.

965
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:40,840
>> Thank you, Chair.

966
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,480
I just had a few questions on clarification.

967
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:49,789
I've noticed that there seem to be two different

968
00:45:49,789 --> 00:45:52,719
indications of what is being rezoned.

969
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,480
Some of them show just a very small parcel and some show a

970
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:56,440
larger parcel.

971
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,119
>> Yes, it is actually, let me go back, sorry.

972
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:01,119
Back to trees.

973
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:04,599
>> Yes.

974
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:06,650
>> I believe one of the maps in the backup here, let's go

975
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:07,119
to that.

976
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:08,039
That makes more sense.

977
00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:11,039
I believe maybe a couple of maps in the backup actually did

978
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:12,360
include this parcel.

979
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,440
That is not a part of this request.

980
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,320
It actually has the RCC zoning already in place.

981
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,510
And just to further clarify, there is an additional little

982
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:24,630
part down here that's in ETJ that they're actually going

983
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:27,000
through an annexation right now.

984
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,920
And that will come forward to you again, so that the entire

985
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,159
development would have a consistent zoning.

986
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:35,480
So I apologize for that, you're right.

987
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,480
Those maps did have different indications.

988
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,519
>> And earlier, before the meeting, I mentioned to you that

989
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:46,059
it appears there's some grading going on and clearing going

990
00:46:46,059 --> 00:46:46,440
on.

991
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,670
But I believe it is on the entire, I guess both parcels,

992
00:46:50,670 --> 00:46:53,199
the entire triangle of land.

993
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:57,030
And I was curious if we have, if that permit is following

994
00:46:57,030 --> 00:47:00,719
the 1991 regulations or the current regulations.

995
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,400
>> In my understanding and talking to our urban forester

996
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,389
that it was reviewed under current regulations for the RCC

997
00:47:11,389 --> 00:47:13,360
and zoning district.

998
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,750
It's not, clearing and grading permits can't be issued

999
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:20,000
until a plat is approved.

1000
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,739
But they can do a clearing and grubbing as long as they

1001
00:47:22,739 --> 00:47:25,239
have an approved tree preservation plan.

1002
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,340
They did go through our urban forester and submitted a tree

1003
00:47:28,340 --> 00:47:31,280
preservation plan and he did approve it.

1004
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,440
I'm looking for it now.

1005
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:38,210
>> And I guess just to explain to the audience and maybe

1006
00:47:38,210 --> 00:47:39,400
some of the newer members of the commission,

1007
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,960
it took me a long time to understand PDs.

1008
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:48,679
A PD, a plan development is, it's its own zoning ordinance.

1009
00:47:48,679 --> 00:47:52,480
And they typically are about a page long.

1010
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,429
Some of them are much larger, but often they're very

1011
00:47:55,429 --> 00:47:56,679
limited in scope.

1012
00:47:56,679 --> 00:48:00,280
And all of the ordinances that apply are usually the ordin

1013
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,079
ances that apply when the PD was created.

1014
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:06,320
So in this case, this thing was created in 1991.

1015
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,840
So it follows all of our 1991 codes.

1016
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,769
And so that was my question on, there was no tree ordinance

1017
00:48:13,769 --> 00:48:15,199
in 1991.

1018
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:16,480
>> Correct.

1019
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,119
>> There were no street facing building requirements in

1020
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:20,960
1991, so forth and so on.

1021
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,070
And a lot of times we'll have cases where we have a PD

1022
00:48:24,070 --> 00:48:26,800
where they want to do some landscaping.

1023
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:32,119
But they're trying to meet the current code and they want

1024
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:33,440
to put in things like trees and

1025
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,250
sidewalks and the code that the PD was enacted under doesn

1026
00:48:38,250 --> 00:48:39,320
't necessarily allow it or

1027
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,489
requires them to adhere to the site plan from 1996 or

1028
00:48:42,489 --> 00:48:45,079
whatever when that car dealership was built.

1029
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:48,960
So they have to come before us and get an amendment to a PD

1030
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,039
just to be able to put in something that varies from.

1031
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,489
So like I said, that's where this question comes from, what

1032
00:48:56,489 --> 00:48:59,000
ordinances are we following?

1033
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,949
>> And that's a good segue because with the rezoning they

1034
00:49:01,949 --> 00:49:03,719
would then comply with all,

1035
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,280
any development if the zoning is approved would have to

1036
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,679
comply with all current development code requirements.

1037
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:16,639
>> Do you remember where Haywood said he saved that?

1038
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:17,559
I'm sorry, Manali.

1039
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:19,280
>> I was just looking at it.

1040
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,440
I'll publicly announce it, Julie, I apologize.

1041
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:27,079
The files are there with Julie's name on the right one.

1042
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:29,840
So is it under your folder?

1043
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,000
I don't know.

1044
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:31,639
>> Maybe.

1045
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:44,980
>> We can dig through that for the regular meeting should

1046
00:49:44,980 --> 00:49:46,519
we need to apologize.

1047
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:50,000
>> I'm sorry, I am.

1048
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,199
>> It's okay, do you want to find it during the break and

1049
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:54,800
then-

1050
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,199
>> Yes, yes.

1051
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:57,159
We won't waste your time.

1052
00:49:57,159 --> 00:49:58,519
>> It's been taken charge.

1053
00:49:58,519 --> 00:50:00,079
>> All right, that's great.

1054
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:01,199
>> Any other questions?

1055
00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:01,719
I'm sorry.

1056
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:06,250
>> You made mention that this doesn't conform with the

1057
00:50:06,250 --> 00:50:08,280
future land use map, but

1058
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,880
it does conform with the preferred growth designation.

1059
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:12,480
>> It does.

1060
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,650
We often look at only the future land use map for the comp

1061
00:50:15,650 --> 00:50:16,199
plan, but

1062
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:19,829
it's a rather large document that has other elements that

1063
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:21,000
we can look at.

1064
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:28,840
And in this instance, although it doesn't conform to that

1065
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,880
low density,

1066
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,239
it does conform to that preferred growth concept, which is

1067
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,800
calling for things like employment,

1068
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:43,139
retail, high density, residential here, which RCCN does

1069
00:50:43,139 --> 00:50:44,400
conform with.

1070
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,070
So doesn't conform with that future land use element, but

1071
00:50:48,070 --> 00:50:49,760
it does conform with other parts.

1072
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,940
And particularly with the access on 35W, it conforms with

1073
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:55,400
those elements.

1074
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,920
>> So I brought this up before in my short time here, but

1075
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,440
there's a conflict of the direction we should take.

1076
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,980
So I guess two questions would be, did the future land use

1077
00:51:03,980 --> 00:51:04,360
map and

1078
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,199
this preferred growth concept come at the same time, or

1079
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:08,920
which one directed the other?

1080
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,599
>> That's a good question.

1081
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:14,079
This came first, and the future land use map is based upon

1082
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:15,880
the preferred growth concept.

1083
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,280
>> So if I understand this correctly, the preferred growth

1084
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,400
concept says that

1085
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:27,239
that specific area is for high density development.

1086
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,110
>> Moderate density, not as high density as maybe a DCG or

1087
00:51:31,110 --> 00:51:32,880
a RCCD would allow, but yes.

1088
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,940
>> So moderate density, and based on that, maybe I should

1089
00:51:35,940 --> 00:51:37,800
take that, but maybe it isn't we.

1090
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,949
We determined that the future land use should be low

1091
00:51:39,949 --> 00:51:40,480
density.

1092
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:43,920
Can you help me how that happened?

1093
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,400
>> Well, but they looked at not only this,

1094
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,079
there were lots of elements they looked at to create that

1095
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:50,239
future land use map.

1096
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,199
So we'll go back here.

1097
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:56,280
You do have a lot of low density residential here.

1098
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,349
And this map isn't meant to look at to zoom in necessarily

1099
00:52:00,349 --> 00:52:01,639
on the parcel.

1100
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:04,420
It's meant to kind of come back and say as a whole, how do

1101
00:52:04,420 --> 00:52:06,239
we want this to need to develop?

1102
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:10,480
So the lines should be blurred.

1103
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,760
It shouldn't be this is this and this is that.

1104
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:13,960
>> Can I add, please?

1105
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:14,760
>> Yeah, I'm sorry.

1106
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,590
>> To your comment, if you go back to the future land use

1107
00:52:18,590 --> 00:52:21,000
map, see how blurry it is?

1108
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,840
And that was done on purpose so that we did not have hard

1109
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,239
lines that say it's gotta be this way.

1110
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,199
It allowed us to shift and move and that was prior to you

1111
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:31,719
coming on board.

1112
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,000
We looked at the future land use.

1113
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,260
We wanted to give it some ability to reshape itself when we

1114
00:52:37,260 --> 00:52:38,719
got issues like this.

1115
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,280
>> Sure, and I understand that I think that's a good idea.

1116
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,559
It's just, I can think of a half dozen times in which we're

1117
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,170
asking to rezone something that does not meet the future

1118
00:52:47,170 --> 00:52:47,840
land use map.

1119
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:52,590
And so it just seems like I'm not sure how urgent we should

1120
00:52:52,590 --> 00:52:55,519
follow the future land use map when it seems routinely

1121
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:57,590
that we're asking to be zoning something that's not in

1122
00:52:57,590 --> 00:52:59,360
accordance with the future land use map.

1123
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,949
>> That's a really good question because when it doesn't

1124
00:53:01,949 --> 00:53:04,449
follow the future land use map, we should be taking a

1125
00:53:04,449 --> 00:53:05,480
harder look at it.

1126
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,650
There are other area, how would it develop keeping the same

1127
00:53:09,650 --> 00:53:10,480
zoning?

1128
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,840
And so we take an even deeper look at it.

1129
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,320
It's not just a turnkey, yes, that meets it.

1130
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,570
So then development code requires that we take a deeper

1131
00:53:19,570 --> 00:53:22,599
look at it to see if it meets additional criteria.

1132
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,880
In this case, because of that hard corner that it's on, it

1133
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,079
does meet that additional criteria for approval.

1134
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:31,670
>> Is there a zoning classification that would meet both in

1135
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:32,519
this instance?

1136
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:34,719
>> Low density and-

1137
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,139
>> And well, that would satisfy both the future land use

1138
00:53:37,139 --> 00:53:39,000
map and the preferred growth concept.

1139
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,599
>> I don't believe so.

1140
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:41,559
>> Okay, so-

1141
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:48,039
>> Well, but once again, we have to go take a higher view

1142
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:49,440
of that future land use map.

1143
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,989
>> No, you're right, there's not one that says, okay, we

1144
00:53:52,989 --> 00:53:57,539
want this to be a mixed use area with compact growth and

1145
00:53:57,539 --> 00:53:58,480
low density.

1146
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,280
You're right, those two things are in conflict.

1147
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,460
>> And when we do see the conflict or the discrepancies

1148
00:54:02,460 --> 00:54:05,039
between the future land use map, the growth projections and

1149
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:06,000
what's being proposed.

1150
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,250
And assuming that staff is recommending something favorably

1151
00:54:09,250 --> 00:54:11,599
that is in conflict with these two documents,

1152
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:15,469
then through our comp plan amendments and revisits, it is a

1153
00:54:15,469 --> 00:54:16,920
dynamic document.

1154
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,579
It has a lot of thought put into it, and that does warrant

1155
00:54:21,579 --> 00:54:24,650
amendment to the comprehensive plan or the future land use

1156
00:54:24,650 --> 00:54:25,119
map.

1157
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:27,900
So that is an exercise that will occur through our long

1158
00:54:27,900 --> 00:54:29,440
range planning function.

1159
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,760
>> Gotcha, thank you.

1160
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,079
>> Just real quick to clarify the preferred growth concept.

1161
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:37,610
It does have land use discussions, but primarily it's to

1162
00:54:37,610 --> 00:54:41,519
show where development is to occur, preferred growth.

1163
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:43,320
So those are the areas that we identified.

1164
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,409
And knowing that the master plan communities were further

1165
00:54:46,409 --> 00:54:48,949
along, but we did identify that there would be some

1166
00:54:48,949 --> 00:54:51,079
development in that part of the region.

1167
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:55,710
And as Manala already mentioned, this is a guiding document

1168
00:54:55,710 --> 00:54:57,159
, the comprehensive plan it is.

1169
00:54:57,159 --> 00:55:00,119
That is, the future land use map is also part of that.

1170
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:03,800
And so it's not a hard pass as we already discussed.

1171
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,460
And if and when we were developing the future land use plan

1172
00:55:08,460 --> 00:55:08,719
,

1173
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,309
we not only looked at existing what's on the ground, but

1174
00:55:11,309 --> 00:55:12,320
also future plans.

1175
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,570
The master plan communities also dictated what that area

1176
00:55:15,570 --> 00:55:16,440
should be.

1177
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,530
Now we also have PDs, and we looked at PDs as well, and PDs

1178
00:55:19,530 --> 00:55:21,639
informed what that area should be.

1179
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:25,000
And as I understand it, the PDs adjacent to this area were

1180
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,750
primarily single family residential, so that's why we went

1181
00:55:28,750 --> 00:55:30,039
that direction.

1182
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:33,639
And maybe we missed that one particular corner.

1183
00:55:33,639 --> 00:55:38,039
It's not a large site to be considered regional center, and

1184
00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:38,159
so

1185
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:41,119
maybe that was one of the reasons our consultants proposed

1186
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:42,800
that future land use design.

1187
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,000
That's very helpful. Thank you.

1188
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,000
Commissioner Beck.

1189
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:52,000
Thank you, Chair.

1190
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,440
The Hunter Ranch NPC, that's the first I've heard of that.

1191
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,239
Did I understand you right? This is a business district?

1192
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,639
It was in 1991.

1193
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:02,960
Okay, so it's gone away then.

1194
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:08,750
The Hunter Ranch is, and I don't have a map to take to show

1195
00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:09,360
you all of the Hunter Ranch NPC.

1196
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,280
Was it both sides of the highway?

1197
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,760
Yes, it's both sides of the highway, it's very large.

1198
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,590
It includes a mix of uses, some moderate density

1199
00:56:17,590 --> 00:56:21,039
residential, some commercial uses, single family uses.

1200
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:24,000
So it's a really large.

1201
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,199
But it's a thing of the past, though.

1202
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:28,559
No, this is in place now.

1203
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:31,679
It hasn't developed yet, but it's in place now.

1204
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:33,679
And again, for both sides of the freeway?

1205
00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:35,679
Both sides, all the blue.

1206
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:39,760
Yeah, okay. So that's encouraging for this then, because it

1207
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,829
seems like what we want to do here would fit into that, I

1208
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:44,159
would think.

1209
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:46,639
Okay, going somewhere else.

1210
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:47,119
Okay.

1211
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,449
Made a comment here on page 205 in the background, "Exist

1212
00:56:51,449 --> 00:56:56,000
ing trees and possible ESA water related habitat on site may

1213
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,210
restrict development unless the ESA is removed after a

1214
00:56:59,210 --> 00:57:00,320
field assessment."

1215
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,719
So, do we talk about that?

1216
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,719
There are some ESAs on the site.

1217
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,239
There are water, there's water related here.

1218
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,639
There is, and I'm sorry, I don't have a map to show that,

1219
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:14,250
but there are, there was also a stream buffer here, and I

1220
00:57:14,250 --> 00:57:16,440
think they're working with our water administration

1221
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,039
department to determine if those actually are

1222
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:21,679
environmentally sensitive areas or if they need to be

1223
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:22,239
removed.

1224
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:24,239
So right now they're working with Deborah Vieira.

1225
00:57:24,239 --> 00:57:28,039
If there are ESAs to be shown on the site, then they would

1226
00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:31,980
have to, you know, that could restrict what they could do

1227
00:57:31,980 --> 00:57:33,119
on the site.

1228
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:35,150
Okay, so that may change the whole character of the site,

1229
00:57:35,150 --> 00:57:36,320
then if they determine that.

1230
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:36,960
It could.

1231
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,929
Okay. And remove after a field assessment, that would be

1232
00:57:40,929 --> 00:57:41,760
Deborah.

1233
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:42,400
Yes, sir.

1234
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,400
That would determine it. Okay, great, thank you.

1235
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,679
Other questions for staff?

1236
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:51,039
Okay, all right.

1237
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,190
So I've got a question for the commission real quick, or I

1238
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:54,239
guess for you, Julie.

1239
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:55,119
Sure.

1240
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:56,320
We do have some food to get.

1241
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,000
How long is this next presentation going to be?

1242
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,920
Should we take a break and eat while you're doing this, or

1243
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:00,239
is it?

1244
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:00,880
You can do that.

1245
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:01,199
It's fine.

1246
00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:03,199
What would, what do you guys want to do?

1247
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:04,880
Should we do that?

1248
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:05,760
Yeah?

1249
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:06,400
Okay.

1250
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,320
We're going to take a quick five minute break and grab some

1251
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,000
food, and then we'll, do I have to call the time?

1252
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:12,559
Yes.

1253
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:13,519
Okay, I'm new to this.

1254
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:13,920
All right.

1255
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,199
The time is 6.03.

1256
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:17,380
We're going to take a five minute break, and then we can be

1257
00:58:17,380 --> 00:58:17,599
.

1258
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:32,480
Thank you.

1259
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,400
Thank you, and welcome back to the Planning and Planning

1260
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:35,280
Commission meeting.

1261
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,920
It is 6.08.

1262
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,119
Y'all were super fast.

1263
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:39,519
Thank you.

1264
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:41,920
And we're going to hear our last item.

1265
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:44,639
3B, I'm sorry, 3D.

1266
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:47,039
Again, Julie Wyatt.

1267
00:58:47,039 --> 00:58:50,880
This is item PDA 16-0004.

1268
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,500
I also have the tree preservation plan for the previous

1269
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:56,539
item we can go over at some point, if you would like as

1270
00:58:56,539 --> 00:58:56,800
well.

1271
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:57,300
Okay.

1272
00:58:58,880 --> 00:58:59,380
All right.

1273
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:03,940
All right.

1274
00:59:09,199 --> 00:59:09,519
All right.

1275
00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:11,659
This request before you is to consider making a

1276
00:59:11,659 --> 00:59:14,400
recommendation to City Council regarding a detail plan

1277
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:19,519
included in Plan Development 174 Country Lakes North.

1278
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:24,789
The subject property is, first of all, the property is

1279
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:26,719
situated in the southwest part of Denton,

1280
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:29,679
and about the same place we were on the previous item.

1281
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,400
Here's John Payne Road.

1282
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,280
This is the newer subdivision in Athens.

1283
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,119
Just a little background.

1284
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:42,099
This is a plan development, and we don't get those a lot

1285
00:59:42,099 --> 00:59:42,639
here.

1286
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:43,840
It's not.

1287
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,329
We don't have plan developments in the current Denton

1288
00:59:46,329 --> 00:59:47,280
development code,

1289
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,719
but we did have them in the previous code, the 1991 code.

1290
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:56,619
And this PD was created under the 1991 code, and the

1291
00:59:56,619 --> 00:59:59,679
concept plan was approved in 1999.

1292
00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:01,840
And just a little background on a PD.

1293
01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:06,320
In the 1991 code, it was a two-part process.

1294
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,869
First was the concept plan that set forth the uses, maybe

1295
01:00:09,869 --> 01:00:11,440
the development guidelines,

1296
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,440
the connectivity throughout the site, and then the second

1297
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:16,719
part was the detail plan.

1298
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:18,960
That went a little further into the details.

1299
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:22,949
So the concept plan would set forth the use, and then the

1300
01:00:22,949 --> 01:00:24,960
detail plan would come back, come thereafter.

1301
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,639
The detail plan for this PD was for the residential portion

1302
01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:31,440
was approved in the year 2000.

1303
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:39,420
Now to look at that detail plan, here it is, and there are

1304
01:00:39,420 --> 01:00:41,440
residential homes.

1305
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,389
There's also, we call them detention areas, but they're

1306
01:00:44,389 --> 01:00:45,280
actually for drainage.

1307
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,230
They're for water to drain into, and then there's also

1308
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:51,039
pocket parks that were spread throughout.

1309
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:53,550
There were two areas that were left out of this detail plan

1310
01:00:53,550 --> 01:00:53,760
.

1311
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,179
If you look at the yellow bottle, it says that these detail

1312
01:00:56,179 --> 01:00:58,000
plans will be submitted at a later date.

1313
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:03,800
These were for the private amenity center here in red, and

1314
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,079
then a school site in blue.

1315
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:10,949
So today, the applicant has come forth with a detail plan

1316
01:01:10,949 --> 01:01:12,480
for the amenity center.

1317
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,349
And just to let you know, this, the concept plan as well as

1318
01:01:16,349 --> 01:01:18,000
detail, this detail plan,

1319
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,480
set the location and the use for this amenity center.

1320
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,780
Now we're just kind of looking at how it's going to all be

1321
01:01:24,780 --> 01:01:25,519
put together.

1322
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:28,000
So let's look at the site plan.

1323
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,440
Here's just the overall site plan.

1324
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,039
We'll go into the specific elements.

1325
01:01:31,679 --> 01:01:35,210
First, they're proposing a restroom facility, a kind of cab

1326
01:01:35,210 --> 01:01:36,079
ana area.

1327
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,510
It will also provide a gate that will limit the access to

1328
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:40,159
the pool.

1329
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:45,070
It is a masonry structure, and it is going to be in this

1330
01:01:45,070 --> 01:01:45,840
location,

1331
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,599
and that's the front elevation.

1332
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:49,920
The rest of the elevations should be in your backup.

1333
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,760
There are also some perimeter gates that are proposed.

1334
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,039
One for the pool area.

1335
01:01:57,679 --> 01:02:00,079
It's going to be a six foot, or it's proposed to be a six

1336
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:01,519
foot wrought iron fence.

1337
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:04,289
And then also a six foot wrought iron fence for the dog

1338
01:02:04,289 --> 01:02:04,800
park.

1339
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,360
These will help control the access to these areas.

1340
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,119
There are also some recreation elements.

1341
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,159
The pool area is proposed for right here.

1342
01:02:14,719 --> 01:02:19,619
You've got a putting green right here, a bocce ball, and a

1343
01:02:19,619 --> 01:02:23,199
soccer field, and then playground.

1344
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:28,000
And then we have the connectivity.

1345
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,329
So the site can be accessed in several ways, one being

1346
01:02:32,329 --> 01:02:33,119
vehicles.

1347
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:36,320
So the parking area in this is here.

1348
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:42,400
There are also some bike racks, and a drop off area here.

1349
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:45,840
And then there are sidewalks throughout the development.

1350
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:50,719
They connect not only to John Payne, and I believe this is

1351
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:51,280
Texelma,

1352
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,840
but they also connect behind it to the street behind it.

1353
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,639
So it provides greater access for pedestrian connection.

1354
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,000
Commissioner Beck.

1355
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:05,039
Texelma, would you point out the Texelma?

1356
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:06,159
I believe that's Texelma.

1357
01:03:06,159 --> 01:03:07,119
It's not built yet.

1358
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:14,880
Here's the landscape plan.

1359
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:21,170
They are proposing trees, about 44,000 square feet of new

1360
01:03:21,170 --> 01:03:22,800
canopy at maturity.

1361
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,559
Not at planting, but at maturity.

1362
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:28,239
We also work with them to get some landscape, some tree

1363
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:29,280
buffer here between

1364
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,730
the proposed use and the single family development that's

1365
01:03:33,730 --> 01:03:34,639
adjacent.

1366
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,110
They're also proposing to screen the parking area with some

1367
01:03:39,110 --> 01:03:40,480
shrubbery and trees,

1368
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,519
and then adding just some landscape areas around the

1369
01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:44,639
development.

1370
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:47,519
Notification was sent.

1371
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:48,960
Quite a few notices were sent.

1372
01:03:49,519 --> 01:03:52,469
Due to the nature of a plan development, the entire plan

1373
01:03:52,469 --> 01:03:54,880
development needed to be notified.

1374
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,039
And so there were a lot sent.

1375
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:00,510
And we've received, I'm afraid that this information is

1376
01:04:00,510 --> 01:04:01,280
inaccurate.

1377
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:02,239
It's a little old.

1378
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,550
I gave you all, I got quite a few notices or responses

1379
01:04:06,550 --> 01:04:07,519
right before I left for here,

1380
01:04:07,519 --> 01:04:09,199
so I didn't update the presentation.

1381
01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:13,760
But we did have some opposition and some in favor.

1382
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,519
Typically the opposition, from what I gathered from the

1383
01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:16,960
neighbors,

1384
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,610
they were concerned about security for the pool, as well as

1385
01:04:20,610 --> 01:04:23,280
HOA dues and traffic concerns.

1386
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,050
Our level of detail and review doesn't go into maybe how

1387
01:04:28,050 --> 01:04:30,480
the HOA functions.

1388
01:04:31,199 --> 01:04:34,630
We just know that it's going to be a private amenity center

1389
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:35,840
controlled by the HOA.

1390
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,079
The applicant should be here in order to answer any

1391
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:39,679
questions that you may have regarding that.

1392
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,079
The considerations we use to review the project are in the

1393
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:47,280
1991 code,

1394
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,960
because it was approved with the 1991 code.

1395
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,099
So a detailed plan can be approved if it complies with the

1396
01:04:54,099 --> 01:04:55,440
general concept plan.

1397
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:56,239
In this case it does.

1398
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,360
That it provides a compatible arrangement for the buildings

1399
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:00,079
and land uses.

1400
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:03,280
It wouldn't adversely affect the adjoining neighborhoods.

1401
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,179
That provides adequate and safe circulation for vehicular

1402
01:05:06,179 --> 01:05:06,639
traffic.

1403
01:05:06,639 --> 01:05:08,820
And that's in substantial compliance with the landscape

1404
01:05:08,820 --> 01:05:09,599
sign subdivision,

1405
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:10,880
other regulations of the city.

1406
01:05:11,679 --> 01:05:13,199
This detailed plan does conform.

1407
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,030
So staff does recommend approval regarding all conditions

1408
01:05:19,030 --> 01:05:19,840
of approval

1409
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,599
and subsequent modifications of PD 174 shall remain valid

1410
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:26,159
unless they're specified otherwise

1411
01:05:26,159 --> 01:05:27,599
with this request.

1412
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:31,750
That the detailed plan landscape plan as submitted shall

1413
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:33,360
guide the development of the site.

1414
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,880
And that the elevations and site details shall also guide

1415
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,159
the development of the cabana structure.

1416
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:42,480
So I'll stand for any questions.

1417
01:05:43,519 --> 01:05:44,559
Questions for staff?

1418
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:45,119
Commissioner Beck.

1419
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:47,679
Thank you, Chair.

1420
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:53,599
One of the individuals who sent in a comment on it

1421
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:54,400
indicated they

1422
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,320
didn't feel like they needed another pool.

1423
01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:59,679
Is there an existing pool in this development?

1424
01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:00,719
And if so, can you?

1425
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,599
Well, there is.

1426
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:11,840
This is a little unique because here's the plan development

1427
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:11,840
,

1428
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,239
the limits of it within the city of Denton.

1429
01:06:14,239 --> 01:06:17,150
The pool that they're referring to is actually outside of

1430
01:06:17,150 --> 01:06:19,199
the city of Denton and in Argyle.

1431
01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:21,360
It may be within that HOA.

1432
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,519
So their HOA sounds like it crosses the municipalities,

1433
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:28,639
but that pool is within the Argyle site.

1434
01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:29,440
Okay.

1435
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,559
And the roads, again, traffic was concerned.

1436
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:34,480
John Payne, how wide is that?

1437
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:35,760
Is that just a two-way?

1438
01:06:38,719 --> 01:06:41,920
It is, I believe it's a 50-foot right-of-way.

1439
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,239
So it is a neighborhood street.

1440
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,719
But this amenity center, he's holding up four lanes.

1441
01:06:48,719 --> 01:06:49,440
Okay.

1442
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,559
It's only a four-way.

1443
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:53,280
This amenity center is intended for just this neighborhood.

1444
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,320
It is not a public one.

1445
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:55,760
It's not a city of Denton.

1446
01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:00,320
And staff wanted to be careful to make sure that people

1447
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,079
could reach the development in

1448
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:03,199
a multimodal way.

1449
01:07:03,199 --> 01:07:06,639
So not only cars, but also bicycles and pedestrians.

1450
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:08,719
So is there street parking allowed there?

1451
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,440
Like any other, I'm not sure if there are any prohibitions

1452
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:14,320
to parking on that street.

1453
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,239
I didn't see any when I went out to the site.

1454
01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:17,119
Okay.

1455
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:19,440
But they do accommodate parking on site.

1456
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,809
But I would imagine like any other neighborhood street,

1457
01:07:21,809 --> 01:07:22,880
there could be parking on the street

1458
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:23,360
as well.

1459
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:23,760
Thank you.

1460
01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:27,679
So I've got a question.

1461
01:07:27,679 --> 01:07:28,400
Sure.

1462
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:32,480
Just to be clear what our purview is with all of this.

1463
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,769
When this PD was approved back in the '90s, there was a

1464
01:07:36,769 --> 01:07:39,840
stipulation that said eventually

1465
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,719
there's going to be an amenity center that was written into

1466
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:43,679
that contract.

1467
01:07:43,679 --> 01:07:44,079
Correct.

1468
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:44,639
And that, okay.

1469
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:48,690
But it also required that when the amenity center was to be

1470
01:07:48,690 --> 01:07:50,159
built, it would be brought

1471
01:07:50,159 --> 01:07:50,639
to us.

1472
01:07:51,519 --> 01:07:53,829
So it's not so much whether or not we're approving the amen

1473
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:54,719
ity center.

1474
01:07:54,719 --> 01:07:57,889
Is it so much as we're looking at the flow of traffic and

1475
01:07:57,889 --> 01:07:59,199
the landscaping?

1476
01:07:59,199 --> 01:07:59,679
Is that something that we can look at?

1477
01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:00,639
The details of the amenity.

1478
01:08:00,639 --> 01:08:02,079
Yes, it's almost like a site plan.

1479
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:02,079
What it's going to look like.

1480
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:02,639
Yes.

1481
01:08:02,639 --> 01:08:03,039
Correct.

1482
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:04,880
Thank you.

1483
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:05,380
Sure.

1484
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,159
Ma'am, this will be a public hearing.

1485
01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:14,750
And we're going to go in there at about 630 so you will

1486
01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:16,239
have an opportunity to speak at

1487
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:16,720
that time.

1488
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:16,960
Okay?

1489
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:17,439
No, that's fine.

1490
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,039
Hold that thought that we want to hear from you.

1491
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:19,539
Yeah.

1492
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,159
Any other questions for staff?

1493
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:25,539
Okay.

1494
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:26,399
All right.

1495
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:27,199
Thank you, Julie.

1496
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:27,699
Sure.

1497
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:32,319
So I believe, there we go.

1498
01:08:33,119 --> 01:08:34,479
I believe that's it.

1499
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,439
So we're going to close our work session at 619.

1500
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:42,319
We will reopen our regular session at 630 at which time you

1501
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:43,680
'll have an opportunity to speak.

1502
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,479
And thank you for joining us.

1503
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,750
Good evening and welcome to tonight's Planning and Zoning

1504
01:09:02,750 --> 01:09:03,359
Commission meeting.

1505
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:08,000
The time is 633 and it is August 10th, 2016.

1506
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:12,159
We do have a quorum present and this meeting has been duly

1507
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:13,039
posted.

1508
01:09:13,039 --> 01:09:15,859
Our first item of business is the pledge to both the US and

1509
01:09:15,859 --> 01:09:16,800
the Texas flag.

1510
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,289
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

1511
01:09:24,289 --> 01:09:27,119
America and to the Republic for

1512
01:09:27,119 --> 01:09:31,430
which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with

1513
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:33,680
liberty and justice for all.

1514
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:40,850
On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one

1515
01:09:40,850 --> 01:09:44,159
state, under God, one, indivisible.

1516
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:48,579
Thank you.

1517
01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:50,880
A quick housekeeping item.

1518
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,590
If anyone is here for public hearing 3A, that's the public

1519
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:57,279
hearing for the rezone request

1520
01:09:57,279 --> 01:10:02,079
from NR4 to NRMU on Hedy Street, the applicant has

1521
01:10:02,079 --> 01:10:04,560
requested to continue that item until

1522
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,329
September 14th, so I just wanted to give you a heads up

1523
01:10:08,329 --> 01:10:10,640
that we'll be seeing that next month.

1524
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,609
Our next item on the agenda is an item for individual

1525
01:10:15,609 --> 01:10:17,039
consideration, item 2A.

1526
01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:23,659
That's number ADP 16-0005 and we'll hear from Cindy Jackson

1527
01:10:23,659 --> 01:10:24,079
.

1528
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,550
Thank you, Madam Chair, commissioners, Cindy Jackson,

1529
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:33,199
senior planner, planning department.

1530
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:37,890
ADP 16-5 is a request for an alternate development plan for

1531
01:10:37,890 --> 01:10:40,720
the construction of a 9,000, excuse me,

1532
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,119
5,947 square foot medical clinic. The applicant is

1533
01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:48,399
requesting to deviate from three requirements

1534
01:10:48,399 --> 01:10:51,479
of the Denton Development Code. Specifically, they're

1535
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,359
requesting to deviate from the requirement

1536
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:58,619
for front orientation of the building. They are requesting

1537
01:10:58,619 --> 01:11:00,960
to deviate from the requirement for

1538
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:05,149
parking at the side or the rear of the building and they're

1539
01:11:05,149 --> 01:11:06,479
requesting to deviate from the

1540
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:10,789
requirement for a 15-foot landscape buffer. The applicant

1541
01:11:10,789 --> 01:11:13,439
is present if you have any questions.

1542
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,460
Staff recommends approval. Thank you. Are there any

1543
01:11:17,460 --> 01:11:18,640
questions for staff right now?

1544
01:11:21,359 --> 01:11:24,720
Thank you, Cindy. And I do have a card from the applicant,

1545
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:25,600
Mr. Douglas,

1546
01:11:26,319 --> 01:11:29,439
if you'd like to approach the-- no? Oh, I'm so sorry. Is

1547
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:30,399
that for a different item?

1548
01:11:31,119 --> 01:11:33,029
I'm actually just the vice chair. I'm just kind of sitting

1549
01:11:33,029 --> 01:11:34,479
in tonight, so you'll be with me.

1550
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,869
Cool. I apologize. Is the applicant here? Yes, sir. Please.

1551
01:11:37,869 --> 01:11:38,319
Thank you.

1552
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,310
Good evening. My name is Rob Hudson. I'm representing

1553
01:12:01,310 --> 01:12:03,520
Health Services of North Texas.

1554
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:07,109
I work with Sterling Barnett Little Architects located in

1555
01:12:07,109 --> 01:12:11,359
Arlington. We're kind of excited about

1556
01:12:11,359 --> 01:12:15,359
this opportunity to develop property in the Denton area

1557
01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:18,319
with this much-needed health clinic

1558
01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:22,880
for low-income people. I stand for questions.

1559
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:32,640
Are there any questions for the applicant? No. And before

1560
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:33,760
you sit down, if you could please

1561
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,949
state your address for the record. My home address or my

1562
01:12:36,949 --> 01:12:38,239
business address?

1563
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:44,420
Business address is 1000 Ballpark Way, Arlington, Texas. It

1564
01:12:44,420 --> 01:12:48,720
's actually Suite 2076011.

1565
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,890
Thank you. And I see no questions. Thank you, sir. Thank

1566
01:12:52,890 --> 01:12:53,199
you.

1567
01:12:55,039 --> 01:12:59,359
And I see no cards on this item. Commissioner Taylor?

1568
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,149
Thank you, Chair. We went over this in our work session in

1569
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:07,279
great detail. And I have to commend,

1570
01:13:07,279 --> 01:13:10,710
I do prefer the buildings facing the street, which is what

1571
01:13:10,710 --> 01:13:12,479
our code requires and what this

1572
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:16,949
ADP is asking to change. But in changing the landscape or

1573
01:13:16,949 --> 01:13:19,279
in changing the layout to allow

1574
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,779
parking in front of the building, you've done a tremendous

1575
01:13:22,779 --> 01:13:24,560
job on landscape. They're adding

1576
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,220
half an acre of canopy coverage to a lot that currently has

1577
01:13:29,220 --> 01:13:32,239
700 square feet of canopy.

1578
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,720
The landscape for the parked area is required to be 15%

1579
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,720
coverage. You're doing like 57% or 58%

1580
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,750
coverage. So it'll be a nice shaded parking lot. You're

1581
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:46,000
providing a walkway around the side of the

1582
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,449
building that's covered and connects through to the other

1583
01:13:49,449 --> 01:13:52,000
buildings in the area. So I have to say,

1584
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,430
this is a great example of what an ADP can do, where we can

1585
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:57,840
bend our rules a little and get a

1586
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,520
much better development. So with that, I move approval.

1587
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,840
Commissioner Rossell? I second the motion.

1588
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,689
Is there any discussion on this? Well, then I'm going to

1589
01:14:16,689 --> 01:14:20,560
say something. I think Health Services

1590
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,699
of North Texas is doing a fantastic job in the community.

1591
01:14:23,699 --> 01:14:26,319
Affordable health care is a huge need,

1592
01:14:26,319 --> 01:14:30,199
and I'm in full support of this. I think it's a good plan,

1593
01:14:30,199 --> 01:14:31,119
and I'm glad that you're going to be

1594
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:34,029
able to serve even more patients in the future. So I'm in

1595
01:14:34,029 --> 01:14:38,159
support. So with that, let's vote on the

1596
01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:41,199
board.

1597
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:55,479
Motion passes 5 to 0. So the next item of business is item

1598
01:14:55,479 --> 01:15:02,479
2B, an item for individual

1599
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:07,989
consideration. This is ADP 16-0009. And again, Ms. Jackson?

1600
01:15:07,989 --> 01:15:11,039
Thank you, Madam Chair, commissioners.

1601
01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:12,319
This is a request also for an alternate development plan

1602
01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:17,039
for the construction of a 5200

1603
01:15:17,039 --> 01:15:21,899
square foot medical office with parking located between the

1604
01:15:21,899 --> 01:15:23,520
building and the street,

1605
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:29,079
located at 321 Med Park Drive. The applicant has met all

1606
01:15:29,079 --> 01:15:31,359
the requirements with regard to

1607
01:15:32,079 --> 01:15:35,560
criteria for approval, and staff recommends approval. And I

1608
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,760
'm not sure if the applicant is

1609
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,850
here. He is here. The applicant is here if you have any

1610
01:15:41,850 --> 01:15:44,159
questions. Thanks. Are there questions

1611
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:50,159
for staff? Okay. Thank you. Would you like to speak, sir?

1612
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:52,479
State your name and address for the

1613
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,470
record, please. Good evening, commission. Matt Moore, Clay

1614
01:15:55,470 --> 01:15:57,439
more Engineering, 1903 Central Drive,

1615
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,399
Bedford, Texas, 76021. Here tonight on behalf of Walker Le

1616
01:16:01,399 --> 01:16:04,239
asing, the property owner, there was an

1617
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:07,590
ADP that was approved on the adjacent office that we're

1618
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:10,000
really trying to mimic on this next phase

1619
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,489
of the development. We've got some constraints with the

1620
01:16:12,489 --> 01:16:14,239
adjacent floodplain that we're trying to

1621
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:17,359
work between. So with that, we would ask for your support

1622
01:16:17,359 --> 01:16:19,199
and be happy to answer any questions the

1623
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:23,149
commission might have. Thank you. And I see no questions.

1624
01:16:23,149 --> 01:16:27,520
So thank you. I also don't have any

1625
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:31,510
other cards on this item. So I guess I'll open it up for

1626
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:35,840
discussion or a motion. Commissioner Beck?

1627
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,930
I move that we approve this agenda item. Commissioner Dud

1628
01:16:39,930 --> 01:16:43,359
owitz? Is there any further

1629
01:16:43,359 --> 01:16:48,079
discussion on this? Okay. Then let's vote on the board.

1630
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:05,289
And again, this item passes 5-0. Thank you. The next item

1631
01:17:05,289 --> 01:17:08,159
of business is item 3A,

1632
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:13,489
public hearing for Z16-0012. I'm going to open the public

1633
01:17:13,489 --> 01:17:16,159
hearing. However, the applicant has

1634
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:20,079
requested to continue this item until September 14th. This

1635
01:17:20,079 --> 01:17:21,680
is a public hearing, though. If you

1636
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,090
would like to speak on this, you may. However, that would

1637
01:17:24,090 --> 01:17:25,840
forfeit your turn at the next meeting.

1638
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:31,609
Is there anyone that would like to speak on this item? Okay

1639
01:17:31,609 --> 01:17:36,319
. Then moving on. Thank you. Item 3B,

1640
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:41,109
Z16-0010. Hold a public hearing and consider making a

1641
01:17:41,109 --> 01:17:43,359
recommendation to city council regarding

1642
01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:46,449
a rezone request for the Teasley Lane High School Edition.

1643
01:17:46,449 --> 01:17:48,720
And that will be Ms. Haley Zagurski

1644
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:58,140
presenting this item. Haley? And this is a -- do I open the

1645
01:17:58,140 --> 01:17:59,439
public hearing at this time?

1646
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,199
Correct. Legal? Yes. And I'm going to open the public

1647
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:04,239
hearing at this time. Thank you.

1648
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,270
Haley Zagurski with the Planning Department. This is item Z

1649
01:18:12,270 --> 01:18:14,960
16-10. The request was to rezone

1650
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:19,760
80.49 acres from NR2 and NRMU district to the CMG district,

1651
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,439
as well as establish an initial zoning

1652
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:25,430
of 1.67 acres from the RD5X zoning that was assigned when

1653
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:28,000
it was annexed to CMG. The applicant

1654
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,460
and owner of all three parcels of land is Denton ISD. And

1655
01:18:31,460 --> 01:18:34,079
staff is in approval of this. Our findings

1656
01:18:34,079 --> 01:18:36,920
that the CMG district conforms with the future land use

1657
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:38,800
designation and the use is supported by

1658
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,760
the surrounding land use patterns. So I'll stand for any

1659
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:44,479
questions. I don't see any questions on

1660
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:51,890
the board. Thank you, Haley. Thank you. Is the applicant

1661
01:18:51,890 --> 01:19:00,479
here and would they like to speak on

1662
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:05,520
this item? Sir, are you the applicant? Yes, I am. Please

1663
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:06,640
come forward and set your name and

1664
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:11,630
address for the record. Thank you. My name is Bill Coleman

1665
01:19:11,630 --> 01:19:14,880
with Coleman and Associates Land Surveying.

1666
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,430
We represent the ISD in this matter and I'm here for any

1667
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:19,520
questions. Ask that you approve it.

1668
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,279
Thank you, sir. And I see no questions. So thank you. This

1669
01:19:24,279 --> 01:19:28,720
is a public hearing. You are allowed

1670
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,859
three minutes to speak on this item if anyone would like to

1671
01:19:30,859 --> 01:19:32,560
make any comments or have any questions.

1672
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,770
Please come forward, sir. State your name and address for

1673
01:19:37,770 --> 01:19:39,760
the record. And then if you could

1674
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,649
also please fill out a blue card before you leave this

1675
01:19:42,649 --> 01:19:44,640
evening. It would be helpful.

1676
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:48,109
Sorry, please into the microphone, please, sir, so people

1677
01:19:48,109 --> 01:19:49,439
at home can hear you.

1678
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:54,479
Okay. My name is Don Padilla and I reside at 5353 Teesson

1679
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,319
Lane, which is right next door to Geyer

1680
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,920
High School. And I don't understand what they're trying to

1681
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:01,600
tell us that they want to do.

1682
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:06,399
Can somebody explain that to me? We went over this in our

1683
01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:07,439
work session, but I'm sure we could

1684
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:11,140
get staff to give another presentation. Is it not going to

1685
01:20:11,140 --> 01:20:13,119
be a high school anymore? Are they

1686
01:20:13,119 --> 01:20:15,479
changing part of that property to become commercial

1687
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,680
property? What is it that they're asking?

1688
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,699
The applicant is requesting to consolidate the zoning

1689
01:20:21,699 --> 01:20:25,119
designations on DISD property. DISD owns

1690
01:20:25,119 --> 01:20:28,000
that entire acreage and what they're doing, they're not

1691
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:29,520
altering the nature of the use.

1692
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,180
The school will continue to operate there. They just want

1693
01:20:32,180 --> 01:20:34,720
to make sure that their zoning designations

1694
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,210
are the same because right now there's several different

1695
01:20:37,210 --> 01:20:38,720
zoning designations

1696
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,220
on the property. So it's a matter of housekeeping on their

1697
01:20:41,220 --> 01:20:41,600
part.

1698
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:42,960
Okay. So they're just trying to make it all one item.

1699
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,039
Correct. Absolutely. Very good. Thank you.

1700
01:20:45,039 --> 01:20:48,560
Good question. Yeah, you bet. Is there anyone else that

1701
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,960
would like to speak on this item or have a

1702
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:58,380
question? Okay. I guess with that, I will close the public

1703
01:20:58,380 --> 01:21:01,760
hearing. Is that correct, legal? Thank

1704
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:05,600
you, ma'am. Commissioner Dudowitz. I move that we approve.

1705
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:08,479
And Commissioner Taylor. Second.

1706
01:21:09,279 --> 01:21:13,520
Any discussion on this item? Then let's vote.

1707
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:22,920
That item passes five zero. Moving on to item three C,

1708
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:30,399
another public hearing. I'm going to open

1709
01:21:30,399 --> 01:21:34,979
the public hearing for item Z16-0009. Hold a public hearing

1710
01:21:34,979 --> 01:21:37,359
and consider making a recommendation

1711
01:21:37,359 --> 01:21:37,359
to city council regarding a rezone request from PD 138 to R

1712
01:21:37,359 --> 01:21:45,840
CCN and that will be presented by Julie Wyatt.

1713
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:53,199
Good evening. I'm Julie Wyatt.

1714
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:00,409
Oh, there it is right there. The request before you is to

1715
01:22:00,409 --> 01:22:04,800
consider making a recommendation

1716
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:10,989
regarding a rezoning from PD 138 to RCCN. This tract is a

1717
01:22:10,989 --> 01:22:14,239
leftover part of a PD that has now

1718
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:18,170
gone to an MPC, so it's a different vehicle. This is the

1719
01:22:18,170 --> 01:22:21,920
last of that PD 138. The applicant is

1720
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,510
looking to rezone in order to develop the property with the

1721
01:22:24,510 --> 01:22:27,840
hospital and to make the zoning consistent

1722
01:22:29,039 --> 01:22:31,770
with the zoning to the south, with the property to the

1723
01:22:31,770 --> 01:22:36,159
south. The location is on I-35W and Crawford

1724
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:40,029
Road. Staff looked at it and although the request does not

1725
01:22:40,029 --> 01:22:42,479
meet the future land use map, it does meet

1726
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,279
other elements of the Denton plan and it meets the goals

1727
01:22:45,279 --> 01:22:47,840
and objectives of the Denton plan. It's also

1728
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,430
consistent with the type of zoning and land use pattern

1729
01:22:50,430 --> 01:22:52,000
that you would see at this type of

1730
01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:55,899
hard corner of a freeway and an arterial, so staff does

1731
01:22:55,899 --> 01:22:58,479
recommend approval of the request.

1732
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,800
And I have not seen the applicant, so I don't know if he's

1733
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:03,520
here.

1734
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,470
Sorry. Sit tight, Julie. We've got a question from

1735
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:07,279
Commissioner Taylor.

1736
01:23:07,279 --> 01:23:12,640
Sure. I was curious if you had that preservation plan.

1737
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:18,720
I do. In work session, there were questions regarding the

1738
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:19,760
trees on the site.

1739
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:24,380
There has been some clearing going on at the site. A plat's

1740
01:23:24,380 --> 01:23:27,520
not approved, but they did obtain a

1741
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:31,529
clearing and grading permit provided that they complied

1742
01:23:31,529 --> 01:23:33,520
with the tree preservation

1743
01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:37,340
requirements and our urban forestry reviewed this tree

1744
01:23:37,340 --> 01:23:38,640
preservation plan.

1745
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,420
This is actually the property in question. I read it

1746
01:23:42,420 --> 01:23:47,279
quickly. This is, let's zoom in a little so we

1747
01:23:47,279 --> 01:23:55,460
can see better. These trees are with the empty circles are

1748
01:23:55,460 --> 01:23:59,760
trees to be preserved and the

1749
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,300
outline is the tree protection fencing. So if we'll zoom

1750
01:24:03,300 --> 01:24:06,479
out, we can see what's existing on the

1751
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:09,369
site. It looks like all of the trees within the subject

1752
01:24:09,369 --> 01:24:11,680
property in this area are going to be

1753
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:17,350
are preserved. Then let's go to the next. This is the next

1754
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:20,399
sheet and this goes more into where the

1755
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:26,149
hospital development and the pad sites are going to be. And

1756
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:28,800
there are some trees that will have

1757
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,350
that will be removed and I'm guessing there have been some

1758
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:32,880
that have been removed already.

1759
01:24:34,319 --> 01:24:38,840
The pluses and the dark circles, would those indicate remo

1760
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:39,199
vals?

1761
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:48,079
Yes. These are the asterisks, the X's and then the crosses

1762
01:24:48,079 --> 01:24:50,479
are trees to be removed.

1763
01:24:52,159 --> 01:24:54,770
The delineation is whether it's a protected tree, quality

1764
01:24:54,770 --> 01:24:57,039
tree, secondary tree. Then they'll have

1765
01:24:57,039 --> 01:25:01,359
to mitigate based upon the zoning. And in that mitigation,

1766
01:25:01,359 --> 01:25:04,239
any payments maybe into the tree fund

1767
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:07,430
or planting trees on site would happen at site plan or

1768
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:08,800
building permit.

1769
01:25:10,319 --> 01:25:13,189
Thank you. I drive past this parcel and so I noticed that

1770
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:15,039
they were already clearing it and

1771
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,060
there was some confusion as to the area that was being rez

1772
01:25:18,060 --> 01:25:20,479
oned. So I was worried that they were

1773
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,350
clearing before the rezoning had occurred. But most of the

1774
01:25:24,350 --> 01:25:25,600
clearing is on that southern lot,

1775
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,560
which is already the correct zoning. So thank you. Sure.

1776
01:25:32,399 --> 01:25:35,779
Thanks Julie. And is the applicant here? Would they like to

1777
01:25:35,779 --> 01:25:36,399
speak?

1778
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:47,159
Hello, I'm Daniel Franklin with Barry Hampton Brown

1779
01:25:47,159 --> 01:25:51,680
representing the applicant. And I'm here

1780
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,500
to answer any questions, but I think Julie did a pretty

1781
01:25:54,500 --> 01:25:55,920
good job of covering it.

1782
01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:59,149
Commissioner Taylor, do you still have a question or that

1783
01:25:59,149 --> 01:26:01,520
just hasn't been? Okay.

1784
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,340
Sir, can you please state your address for the record too,

1785
01:26:05,340 --> 01:26:06,079
please?

1786
01:26:06,079 --> 01:26:10,079
Yes, sir. 5013 Vineyard Lane, McKinney, Texas. Thank you.

1787
01:26:13,359 --> 01:26:16,199
This is a public hearing, meaning anyone here in attendance

1788
01:26:16,199 --> 01:26:18,479
can speak on this item. Is there anyone

1789
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,600
that would like to speak to this or have any questions?

1790
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:26,880
Seeing none, I will close the public

1791
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:30,310
hearing and open it up for discussion or a motion.

1792
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:36,079
Commissioner Taylor.

1793
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,149
Thank you, Madam Chair. I move that we make a

1794
01:26:39,149 --> 01:26:42,159
recommendation to City Council to approve

1795
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:46,960
this rezoning. This is a beneficial housekeeping measure

1796
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,600
for the city to remove an old PD,

1797
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,229
an old plan development, which is a type of zoning that no

1798
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:53,760
longer exists anywhere,

1799
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,760
that is not allowed anywhere in the city and creates

1800
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:58,880
problems in the future as we revise our

1801
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:02,399
ordinances and we have these small areas that do not abide

1802
01:27:02,399 --> 01:27:04,640
by our new ordinances. So for those

1803
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:08,800
reasons I move we recommend approval. Commissioner Rosal.

1804
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,199
Thank you, Chair. As I mentioned in a work

1805
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:13,689
session, I was initially concerned about this because of

1806
01:27:13,689 --> 01:27:15,359
the future land use map discrepancies,

1807
01:27:15,359 --> 01:27:17,359
but I appreciate working through that in work session to

1808
01:27:17,359 --> 01:27:19,600
understand the greater concept and idea

1809
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,090
behind this corner as it gets built out, especially with

1810
01:27:22,090 --> 01:27:24,000
Hunter's Ranch. So with that I second the

1811
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,640
motion. We've got a first from Commissioner Taylor and a

1812
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,760
second from Commissioner Rosal.

1813
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,539
Is there any discussion on this item? Okay, then let's vote

1814
01:27:33,539 --> 01:27:33,840
.

1815
01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:45,880
That item passes 5-0. Next item of business is item 3D. I'd

1816
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:47,680
like to open the public hearing for

1817
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:52,340
PDA 16-0004. Hold a public hearing and consider making a

1818
01:27:52,340 --> 01:27:54,800
recommendation to City Council regarding

1819
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:59,010
approval of a detailed plan of a plan development 174 to

1820
01:27:59,010 --> 01:28:02,560
depict an amenity center. And that will be

1821
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:09,920
again presented by Ms. Wyatt. Wrong thing.

1822
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:25,250
Here we go. All right, the request before you is to make a

1823
01:28:25,250 --> 01:28:27,920
recommendation to City Council regarding

1824
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:33,039
a detailed plan approval for a private amenity center in PD

1825
01:28:33,039 --> 01:28:36,720
174. The location and the use of

1826
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:39,609
this private amenity center has been set forth in the

1827
01:28:39,609 --> 01:28:42,079
concept plan in a previously approved detailed

1828
01:28:42,079 --> 01:28:45,619
plan. At this stage we're really looking at the details of

1829
01:28:45,619 --> 01:28:47,680
this site and how it's going to be

1830
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:52,579
developed. Staff looked at it and we looked at it in terms

1831
01:28:52,579 --> 01:28:56,560
of the criteria for approval in the 1991

1832
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:04,890
code, which is what we have to use to analyze the site and

1833
01:29:04,890 --> 01:29:07,039
staff does recommend approval that it

1834
01:29:07,039 --> 01:29:09,539
meets the criteria for approval. And I'll pull up the site

1835
01:29:09,539 --> 01:29:11,119
plan so if anybody has any questions.

1836
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:17,920
The applicant is here. So I have a question just because

1837
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:19,840
there are many people who missed our work

1838
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,180
session. I just want to be clear on what it is we're

1839
01:29:22,180 --> 01:29:23,920
talking about this evening, what it is we're

1840
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:28,319
voting on. So this PD was approved in the 90s with a stip

1841
01:29:28,319 --> 01:29:30,960
ulation that there would be an amenity

1842
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,130
center at some point in the future. That was already pre-

1843
01:29:33,130 --> 01:29:37,760
approved. And so but the catch was

1844
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:42,050
that when the amenity center was going to come to the HOA

1845
01:29:42,050 --> 01:29:44,720
at that point it would be required for us

1846
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,500
to at least look at the site plan. Is that correct? You're

1847
01:29:47,500 --> 01:29:49,689
exactly right. Okay, of course I am. Do you want me to go

1848
01:29:49,689 --> 01:29:50,880
over the site plan?

1849
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,609
Would you like for me to go over the site plan? I think it

1850
01:29:52,609 --> 01:29:54,399
would be helpful for the people here since there were many

1851
01:29:54,399 --> 01:29:55,840
that missed out on that work session.

1852
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,949
So like you said, this was this this use and location were

1853
01:29:59,949 --> 01:30:03,600
approved with the 1999 ordinance that

1854
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,630
provided the concept plan for this PD. There was a detailed

1855
01:30:07,630 --> 01:30:11,359
plan for the residential portion of the PD

1856
01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:14,939
and this is this is the exhibit that shows how it's all

1857
01:30:14,939 --> 01:30:18,159
laid out. But as you as you said these

1858
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:23,840
areas, the school site that and the amenity center were

1859
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,840
were left out of that detail plan

1860
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,729
amendment to come forward at a later date. Now the

1861
01:30:28,729 --> 01:30:31,760
applicant has come forward for the amenity center.

1862
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:36,680
This is the site plan that they are proposing. Within it

1863
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:38,960
they are they are proposing a

1864
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:46,949
a restroom facility. It has a brick or a masonry exterior

1865
01:30:46,949 --> 01:30:50,159
and it does provide a gate which then

1866
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:53,550
works in concert with a six-foot wrought iron fence that

1867
01:30:53,550 --> 01:30:55,920
will control access to that pool area.

1868
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,390
There's also a wrought iron fence around a dog park on the

1869
01:30:59,390 --> 01:31:01,439
southern side of the of the property

1870
01:31:02,079 --> 01:31:05,390
that will control access of course as well. Recreational

1871
01:31:05,390 --> 01:31:07,680
elements include the pool,

1872
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:12,819
a putting green, bocce ball, a soccer field, and then

1873
01:31:12,819 --> 01:31:16,479
playground. And then additionally they are

1874
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:20,220
proposing sidewalks that run through the property and also

1875
01:31:20,220 --> 01:31:22,800
connect to the to the sidewalk system for

1876
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,800
the streets. There is parking on site that's that's

1877
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,800
provided as well as bicycle parking and a drop-off

1878
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:34,260
area here. The landscape plan includes tree plantings not

1879
01:31:34,260 --> 01:31:37,279
only throughout the site but also

1880
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:41,550
between those those recreation facilities and the single-

1881
01:31:41,550 --> 01:31:44,079
family homes that are adjacent.

1882
01:31:45,119 --> 01:31:47,380
There is parking lot screening here in the front and then

1883
01:31:47,380 --> 01:31:50,239
additional landscape islands throughout.

1884
01:31:52,079 --> 01:31:56,079
Public notification was sent out to the to the PD per what

1885
01:31:56,079 --> 01:32:00,000
per code Texas local government code

1886
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:03,079
requirements the whole PD needed to be notified so we sent

1887
01:32:03,079 --> 01:32:05,199
out a lot of notifications for this.

1888
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:10,319
It does meet the criteria in the 1991 code and so staff

1889
01:32:10,319 --> 01:32:12,159
recommends approval subject to the

1890
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:15,060
conditions that it complies with the landscape plan site

1891
01:32:15,060 --> 01:32:16,239
plan and site details.

1892
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:23,520
Commissioner Taylor. Thank you chair. So this was evaluated

1893
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,640
based on the 1991 code. I was just

1894
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,470
noticing the landscape plan that that looks like one of our

1895
01:32:29,470 --> 01:32:30,960
modern ones it appears that it would

1896
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,340
meet our current landscape code. I applied the current code

1897
01:32:34,340 --> 01:32:36,479
. Okay so this would actually meet our

1898
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:39,550
current ordinances. Yes I particularly because it was

1899
01:32:39,550 --> 01:32:42,000
adjacent to residential we wanted to make sure

1900
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,640
that there was a buffer to mitigate any noise you know

1901
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,760
anything and then we also wanted an applicant

1902
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,020
actually came forward with with a lot of the trees as well.

1903
01:32:50,020 --> 01:32:51,600
We also wanted the parking lot to be

1904
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,000
screened so we we worked with them applied a lot of the

1905
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,159
elements that are in the current code today.

1906
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:01,489
So this well exceeds the 1991 requirements which had almost

1907
01:33:01,489 --> 01:33:03,760
no landscape requirement sidewalk.

1908
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,640
Pedestrian there wasn't a lot of direction in the 1991 code

1909
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:08,880
regarding landscaping so thank you.

1910
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:13,520
Sure. Commissioner Dudowitz. There's been a lot of time on

1911
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,680
talking about this particular project

1912
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:18,939
in work session so I want the public to understand we are

1913
01:33:18,939 --> 01:33:20,319
not voting on whether there should be a

1914
01:33:20,319 --> 01:33:23,619
amenity center or not. What we're looking at does it comply

1915
01:33:23,619 --> 01:33:25,680
with our site plan recommendations,

1916
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:29,989
landscaping, tree coverage, sidewalks, bricks, mortar and

1917
01:33:29,989 --> 01:33:31,760
that type of stuff. So that's what

1918
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:35,640
we're looking at and is presented by staff. It far exceeds

1919
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:38,560
any any of our requirements for

1920
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:42,260
for that type of project. Is that I'm pretty sure that's

1921
01:33:42,260 --> 01:33:44,560
what we're talking about. Thank you.

1922
01:33:48,319 --> 01:33:52,159
Any other questions or comments for staff? Thanks Julie.

1923
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,670
And I understand the applicant is here. Is that now Mr.

1924
01:33:56,670 --> 01:33:58,000
Douglas your card that I read at the

1925
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,989
beginning? Thanks for sitting tight. Thank you very much.

1926
01:34:00,989 --> 01:34:03,119
Good evening. Jim Douglas of Douglas

1927
01:34:03,119 --> 01:34:07,760
Properties 2309 Avenue K in Plano. Thank you very much. It

1928
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:09,920
's really Julie still saw a lot of my

1929
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:12,800
thunder as far as I was going to explain it to you. She did

1930
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:14,319
a better job than I would have.

1931
01:34:14,319 --> 01:34:18,399
But did want to bring up that we are very interested in

1932
01:34:18,399 --> 01:34:20,239
having the amenity center as

1933
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:23,180
nice as possible. That's why we did bring it up to current

1934
01:34:23,180 --> 01:34:25,359
standards and hopefully even exceeded

1935
01:34:25,359 --> 01:34:29,489
those. We tried very hard to come up with items in this

1936
01:34:29,489 --> 01:34:32,319
area that would appeal to all the different

1937
01:34:32,319 --> 01:34:36,239
variety of age groups, people and everything else that live

1938
01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:38,960
in country lakes. We have the pool area,

1939
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,989
we have the bocce ball, we have the putting green, we have

1940
01:34:41,989 --> 01:34:44,159
a soccer field, we have a dog park,

1941
01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:48,039
we have a playground, we have extensive landscaping and

1942
01:34:48,039 --> 01:34:51,199
again we went to the extra expense of drilling

1943
01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:55,630
a well so to take care of all these landscaping and all the

1944
01:34:55,630 --> 01:34:57,840
plants. That doesn't put an undue

1945
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,199
burden on the HOA either of buying for city water plus when

1946
01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:03,600
there's a drought or restrictions we're

1947
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,229
not under that because obviously we're spending a lot of

1948
01:35:06,229 --> 01:35:08,319
money on this and we want to stay functional

1949
01:35:08,319 --> 01:35:13,390
and looking nice. We also have with me tonight one of the

1950
01:35:13,390 --> 01:35:16,560
board members of the HOA so if there's any

1951
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:20,489
specific questions you have of the HOA this has been

1952
01:35:20,489 --> 01:35:24,239
presented to the annual meeting at the HOA

1953
01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:27,590
so those homeowners that attended the annual meeting were

1954
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:30,000
apprised of this and I'll be glad

1955
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,600
to answer any other question you might have. We also have

1956
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:34,479
the people that will be building the

1957
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:37,159
Amita Center that have designed it so if you have any

1958
01:35:37,159 --> 01:35:39,760
particular questions on that they're here also

1959
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:45,039
to answer your questions. Commissioner Taylor. Thank you

1960
01:35:45,039 --> 01:35:47,359
chair. The screen hasn't updated yet so

1961
01:35:47,359 --> 01:35:49,140
I can't make a re-request. That's okay I'm going to keep my

1962
01:35:49,140 --> 01:35:51,199
eyes open. Something I've been meaning to ask and I've

1963
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:54,569
forgotten earlier. I'm not very familiar is this a gated

1964
01:35:54,569 --> 01:35:56,479
community or is it open to the public?

1965
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:59,029
This is not a gated community and the thing about it's a

1966
01:35:59,029 --> 01:36:01,439
little different because part of it is in

1967
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:05,199
Denton and part of it's in Argyle but it's one HOA. It's

1968
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:08,720
not separate HOAs where the Argyle or Denton

1969
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:11,600
so the people who live in the Argyle portion can use this

1970
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:13,840
Amita Center just like the people in the

1971
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:18,149
Denton can use the Amita Center in Argyle. It's one HOA.

1972
01:36:18,149 --> 01:36:20,880
Also it seems like you know when you go back

1973
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:24,779
to the original PD as proved back in 1999 if you look at

1974
01:36:24,779 --> 01:36:27,520
site plans there's very splotches of blue

1975
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,970
on that which indicates water. Well these were drainage

1976
01:36:30,970 --> 01:36:33,279
areas that's what was the reason Zion

1977
01:36:33,279 --> 01:36:38,130
and planned for. But again we're trying to do what the

1978
01:36:38,130 --> 01:36:41,600
intent of this PD was plus being fair to the

1979
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:44,850
people who bought homes early on in this subdivision that

1980
01:36:44,850 --> 01:36:47,359
they were shown this fancy glossy brochure

1981
01:36:47,359 --> 01:36:50,529
which we didn't provide. We bought the property out of

1982
01:36:50,529 --> 01:36:52,640
bankruptcy so that we've come in and but

1983
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:55,369
we've abided by the PD and we've tried to fulfill

1984
01:36:55,369 --> 01:36:58,319
everything that was on the brochures. So we've even

1985
01:36:58,319 --> 01:37:01,970
drilled wells to ensure that these detention areas do have

1986
01:37:01,970 --> 01:37:04,720
water in them. We've placed fountains in

1987
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:07,489
them to keep the water agitated which that was not what

1988
01:37:07,489 --> 01:37:09,439
they were raising Zion for. They were

1989
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:12,819
Zionists be detention and dry up when it's not raining.

1990
01:37:12,819 --> 01:37:14,960
Well again we felt like since they had

1991
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,960
those brochures printed this is what needed to be followed.

1992
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,079
So this is what we've tried to go above

1993
01:37:20,079 --> 01:37:22,449
and beyond everything from ever since we bought the

1994
01:37:22,449 --> 01:37:29,760
property. I have a question. So we got a lot

1995
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,670
of feedback about this and I'm really grateful to your

1996
01:37:32,670 --> 01:37:35,119
neighborhood for bringing this up because we

1997
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:38,920
very rarely get this many responses. Seemed to me about

1998
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:42,079
half were in favor and half were opposed

1999
01:37:42,079 --> 01:37:44,939
and those who were opposed the primary primarily the

2000
01:37:44,939 --> 01:37:48,079
reasons I gathered were concerns about increased

2001
01:37:48,079 --> 01:37:52,189
traffic HOA fees and vandalism. Now those are not really

2002
01:37:52,189 --> 01:37:54,640
things that we can look at as a planning

2003
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:56,890
and zoning commission because we are not the HOA but I just

2004
01:37:56,890 --> 01:37:58,479
want to make sure are you aware of these

2005
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:00,649
concerns and how have you been able to to reach out to the

2006
01:38:00,649 --> 01:38:02,319
neighborhood to make sure that those

2007
01:38:02,319 --> 01:38:04,479
concerns are being addressed? Well first of all the

2008
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:06,640
community center is on a four lane road which is

2009
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:10,989
John Payne and there are no homes that front on John Payne.

2010
01:38:10,989 --> 01:38:13,760
So this is this is a different this is so

2011
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:17,119
no words even if someone parks along John Payne it's not in

2012
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:19,920
front of anybody's house because there's

2013
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:24,350
no homes front on John Payne and it is a four lane roadway.

2014
01:38:24,350 --> 01:38:27,119
As far as HOA dues I have Tim Stewart

2015
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:29,640
here he can address those in a second if you'd like to but

2016
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:31,199
which is again like I said it's not

2017
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:33,750
really part of this approval process but we're willing to

2018
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:35,680
share in the information but as we're

2019
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:39,909
adding homes that it should balance balance out to where

2020
01:38:39,909 --> 01:38:42,239
and I'm not I can't say it's not going to be

2021
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:45,500
an increase costs go up all the time but there's in the

2022
01:38:45,500 --> 01:38:48,640
future it'll be 1,400 homes built in the

2023
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:51,890
subdivision and you need a second amenity center because

2024
01:38:51,890 --> 01:38:54,159
one amenity center is just not enough for

2025
01:38:54,159 --> 01:38:59,670
1,400 homes. I mean you've got about 700 or 600 so 700 now

2026
01:38:59,670 --> 01:39:02,319
and and again this was presented at the

2027
01:39:02,319 --> 01:39:06,199
HOA annual meeting and was discussed as far as budget items

2028
01:39:06,199 --> 01:39:08,239
. As far as vandalism we've done a

2029
01:39:08,239 --> 01:39:11,939
lot of these amenity centers and more years and I won't say

2030
01:39:11,939 --> 01:39:14,560
I've been doing this but the vandalism

2031
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:18,029
does not appear to be any different than what you have with

2032
01:39:18,029 --> 01:39:20,399
any other amenity center. Situation if

2033
01:39:20,399 --> 01:39:23,289
somebody wants to get in there they're going to get in

2034
01:39:23,289 --> 01:39:25,600
there and so many times the code is handed

2035
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:29,119
out and maybe to a friend or something like that and then

2036
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:32,000
they can come back. All the main areas do

2037
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,609
have security you know the fence and a code and if you give

2038
01:39:35,609 --> 01:39:37,920
the code out then you're opening the

2039
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:41,119
door up for someone to come in there and vandalize or it

2040
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:43,600
can be you know whoever. So it sounds to me

2041
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,090
that you are you are aware of these concerns you've had a

2042
01:39:46,090 --> 01:39:47,920
meeting about this and people know how to

2043
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,529
contact you with further questions and such. Yes ma'am.

2044
01:39:50,529 --> 01:39:52,239
Okay thank you. All right thank you.

2045
01:39:54,159 --> 01:40:00,649
I have another card on this uh Mr or Ms Lloyd Davy Lloyd.

2046
01:40:00,649 --> 01:40:03,039
Yes ma'am oh yes you were in our work

2047
01:40:03,039 --> 01:40:06,340
session yes yes I'm glad you remembered your thought.

2048
01:40:06,340 --> 01:40:08,960
Please come to the microphone and state

2049
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:10,970
your name and address for the record and your time will

2050
01:40:10,970 --> 01:40:13,199
begin. Well you'll already wonder why I'm here

2051
01:40:13,199 --> 01:40:18,550
because our address is 9813 Meadow Creek Argo but I live in

2052
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:22,000
country lakes. We've lived there almost

2053
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:26,649
12 years. When we moved there there wasn't going to be a

2054
01:40:26,649 --> 01:40:29,840
school where there's now going to be a school

2055
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:33,789
where there's now a Catholic church was supposed to be

2056
01:40:33,789 --> 01:40:36,000
where there was going to be a school built

2057
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:39,329
and I have a little bit of concern of there being a school

2058
01:40:39,329 --> 01:40:40,880
right across the street

2059
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:45,310
from a swimming pool and that's they've convinced me of

2060
01:40:45,310 --> 01:40:47,840
everything else I had questions about

2061
01:40:48,399 --> 01:40:52,680
but this is still a concern that I think is valid. Thank

2062
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:53,920
you ma'am.

2063
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:01,359
Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. I would like to have

2064
01:41:01,359 --> 01:41:04,399
the representative for the HOA come up and

2065
01:41:04,399 --> 01:41:07,079
just as a courtesy for the people again I know this is

2066
01:41:07,079 --> 01:41:09,119
nothing that we as a commission would

2067
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:12,000
address but just as a courtesy a lot of people did come

2068
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,319
here could you respond to their concerns

2069
01:41:14,319 --> 01:41:18,069
about increased fees regarding the cementity center. My

2070
01:41:18,069 --> 01:41:20,640
name is Tim Stewart uh four for one

2071
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,720
Chapel Downs Court South Lake Texas. I'm on the board

2072
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,079
acting member president right now and I also

2073
01:41:26,079 --> 01:41:28,729
work for Bloomfield Homes. The board consists of three

2074
01:41:28,729 --> 01:41:30,880
developer representatives and it consists

2075
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:32,850
of two homeowner representatives so it's a very active

2076
01:41:32,850 --> 01:41:34,560
board there's active communication amongst

2077
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:36,470
us all so when things happen on a two in the morning or

2078
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:37,840
three in the morning there's usually

2079
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,430
an email that gets to us relatively quick and there's the

2080
01:41:40,430 --> 01:41:42,159
two homeowners who live on site which

2081
01:41:42,159 --> 01:41:45,090
are very passionate about what goes on. The amenity I think

2082
01:41:45,090 --> 01:41:46,880
I've read through the next door

2083
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,579
or the neighbor accounts there's about 45 of them. I think

2084
01:41:49,579 --> 01:41:51,119
some of the people's concern is just

2085
01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:54,489
sometimes lack of knowledge maybe they weren't at the

2086
01:41:54,489 --> 01:41:57,119
annual meeting or a lot of times passed and

2087
01:41:57,119 --> 01:41:59,970
we all forgot. As a developer we're paying for the

2088
01:41:59,970 --> 01:42:02,560
infrastructure to put in the HOA amenity that's

2089
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:05,430
there I think some people were concerned maybe they're

2090
01:42:05,430 --> 01:42:07,760
going to pay for it. From a due standpoint

2091
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:11,470
we've been adding about I think we added 78 homeowners last

2092
01:42:11,470 --> 01:42:13,199
year and we've done anticipation

2093
01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:16,250
that you're going to continue to add 70 to 100 homeowners a

2094
01:42:16,250 --> 01:42:18,079
year it's 675 dollars a year which

2095
01:42:18,079 --> 01:42:21,619
is about 70 thousand dollars a year of incremental revenue

2096
01:42:21,619 --> 01:42:23,840
that's coming on before this HOA site

2097
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:27,489
opens up you're probably going to have well over 100 to 150

2098
01:42:27,489 --> 01:42:29,359
new homeowners when it's operating

2099
01:42:29,359 --> 01:42:32,390
fully so the incremental revenue associated with those new

2100
01:42:32,390 --> 01:42:34,239
members coming into the community

2101
01:42:34,239 --> 01:42:37,689
we believe in our estimates offsets what cost will be incur

2102
01:42:37,689 --> 01:42:40,000
red by the association. This association

2103
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:43,149
I got to tell you has been very frugal with the downturn

2104
01:42:43,149 --> 01:42:45,359
economic downturn almost to a point where

2105
01:42:45,359 --> 01:42:48,119
it was neglected by the previous owners and it's been a

2106
01:42:48,119 --> 01:42:50,159
catch-up every sense you know fixing the

2107
01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:53,060
walls doing landscaping we're not done yet but they are

2108
01:42:53,060 --> 01:42:55,520
probably the most well-funded HOA that

2109
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:57,760
as a developer we're involved with in most cases we're

2110
01:42:57,760 --> 01:42:59,439
writing checks to cover it I mean they have

2111
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:02,859
about a half million four hundred and ten thousand dollars

2112
01:43:02,859 --> 01:43:05,119
in the bank right now so and that's good

2113
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:07,029
because they're going to want to have reserves they got

2114
01:43:07,029 --> 01:43:08,239
about a hundred earmark just for the

2115
01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:11,600
reserves right now with the other 300 or so and the

2116
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:14,079
operating fund so it's well funded and you know

2117
01:43:14,079 --> 01:43:15,989
what that needs to stay that way we don't want to get them

2118
01:43:15,989 --> 01:43:17,439
in a position where they're going to be

2119
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:19,789
deficit spending current year's budget has them accum

2120
01:43:19,789 --> 01:43:22,399
ulating about 60,000 dollars of incremental

2121
01:43:22,399 --> 01:43:26,010
cash 40,000 in the operating fund 20,000 in the reserve so

2122
01:43:26,010 --> 01:43:28,079
I think a lot of thoughts gone into it

2123
01:43:28,079 --> 01:43:30,229
and that thought's been backed up by the popularity of the

2124
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:32,000
neighborhood new homeowners moving in and

2125
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:35,109
then the timing of the phases and being developed and then

2126
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:37,359
bringing on the humanity center so with

2127
01:43:37,359 --> 01:43:40,590
1400 residents potential or home sites being in there and

2128
01:43:40,590 --> 01:43:42,800
looking at where the original pd stated

2129
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:45,130
that there be something up there and the hoa is really

2130
01:43:45,130 --> 01:43:47,119
working towards being able to adequately

2131
01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:49,609
fund that and protect that for a long term so I think I

2132
01:43:49,609 --> 01:43:51,680
think they're in a really good position

2133
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:54,170
to do it I mean I wish some of the other neighborhoods we

2134
01:43:54,170 --> 01:43:55,359
were in did the same thing

2135
01:43:55,359 --> 01:43:57,479
and it was what we're as well funded once we bought them

2136
01:43:57,479 --> 01:43:59,760
but this one has been thought out

2137
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,579
adequately funded and you know it's got a little growing

2138
01:44:02,579 --> 01:44:04,560
pains right now and that can be exciting

2139
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:06,739
for some and nervous for others and we're continuing to

2140
01:44:06,739 --> 01:44:08,319
work with the current board members

2141
01:44:08,319 --> 01:44:11,039
and the voting committee and it's very active and

2142
01:44:11,039 --> 01:44:13,439
communication goes daily so and we're tuned to it

2143
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:16,970
we want to hear what the homeowners say great thank you so

2144
01:44:16,970 --> 01:44:19,039
as long as you're here could you

2145
01:44:19,039 --> 01:44:22,920
please address miss loyd's concern about the school being

2146
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:25,039
in proximity to the amenity center

2147
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:29,109
I mean basically it was there when we got here city of dent

2148
01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:31,279
on had a school site planned for the

2149
01:44:31,279 --> 01:44:34,710
manny center was identified and when the pd was again rat

2150
01:44:34,710 --> 01:44:36,720
ified that's what we had so you've got

2151
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:38,869
a parking lot you've got a you know the bathroom centers

2152
01:44:38,869 --> 01:44:41,119
and then you have a pool the pool is going

2153
01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:44,199
to be fenced off and I like it that it's not right on you

2154
01:44:44,199 --> 01:44:46,239
know where cars are parking in front of

2155
01:44:46,239 --> 01:44:48,520
somebody's house so you know you're always going to have

2156
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:50,079
safety concerns with the pool you know

2157
01:44:50,079 --> 01:44:51,859
we're going to have card accesses and we're going to you

2158
01:44:51,859 --> 01:44:53,840
know people are going to have to be just in

2159
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:57,640
any pool safety is key location being near a school I think

2160
01:44:57,640 --> 01:44:59,760
that all the all the elements of

2161
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:01,970
safety and fencing and the design have been put into

2162
01:45:01,970 --> 01:45:04,880
consideration for safety the residents thank you

2163
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:09,409
this is a public hearing and I see there are a lot of

2164
01:45:09,409 --> 01:45:13,600
people here who are interested in this item so

2165
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:16,189
if you'd like to speak on this or if you have any questions

2166
01:45:16,189 --> 01:45:18,000
now is the chance to do that you can just

2167
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:20,100
approach the microphone and then just fill out a card

2168
01:45:20,100 --> 01:45:21,199
before you leave tonight

2169
01:45:25,359 --> 01:45:25,680
please

2170
01:45:28,319 --> 01:45:29,409
state your name and address for the record please and then

2171
01:45:29,409 --> 01:45:31,279
I see you have that blue card

2172
01:45:31,279 --> 01:45:35,109
there's that's perfect yes ma'am first of all I'd like to

2173
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:37,680
say that I'm new to Denton I've only lived

2174
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:41,970
in country lakes for since March I bought a home there and

2175
01:45:41,970 --> 01:45:45,039
since I've lived there I have some very

2176
01:45:45,039 --> 01:45:48,750
basic concerns I'd like to express to the city of Denton

2177
01:45:48,750 --> 01:45:51,920
first of all Crawford Road is a very narrow

2178
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:55,460
two-lane road that is now supporting the existing community

2179
01:45:55,460 --> 01:45:57,520
of country lakes and as I hear your

2180
01:45:58,319 --> 01:46:02,859
other discussions apparently a hospital development now

2181
01:46:02,859 --> 01:46:05,840
destined at I-35W and Crawford Road

2182
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:11,020
and we're also talking about 1,400 new homes in country

2183
01:46:11,020 --> 01:46:13,920
lakes yet we have Crawford Road is our

2184
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:18,250
primary means of ingress and egress to that whole area I'd

2185
01:46:18,250 --> 01:46:20,319
like to know who is going to

2186
01:46:21,199 --> 01:46:26,210
improve Crawford Road is it in Denton or is it in Argyle

2187
01:46:26,210 --> 01:46:30,880
secondly I'm concerned about parking at

2188
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:34,560
the amenity center I'm hoping that since we're talking

2189
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:37,760
soccer fields swimming pools and all of

2190
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:41,590
these types of amenities that will draw families and lots

2191
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:43,840
of people for soccer games and all

2192
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:48,590
that there will be sufficient parking to support that amen

2193
01:46:48,590 --> 01:46:51,439
ity without street parking because then

2194
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:55,439
again we get back to John Payne John Payne is the primary

2195
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:58,640
ingress and egress into country lakes

2196
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:03,100
and if parking is allowed even on the the roadway there you

2197
01:47:03,100 --> 01:47:06,000
're going to inhibit traffic over time

2198
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:09,170
with the continued growth of that neighborhood I hope you

2199
01:47:09,170 --> 01:47:11,119
'll consider all of these aspects

2200
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:15,869
as you approve this and continue development within country

2201
01:47:15,869 --> 01:47:17,680
lakes and adjacent property on

2202
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:22,010
Crawford Road thank you ma'am your name and address oh I'm

2203
01:47:22,010 --> 01:47:23,920
sorry okay my name is Beverly

2204
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:28,979
Brady and I live at 5-7-1-7 to Waukene Argyle which is on

2205
01:47:28,979 --> 01:47:31,600
the Denton side of Argyle thank you

2206
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:34,560
and if you could please give that card over there that'd be

2207
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:37,840
great thank you um Commissioner Rozelle

2208
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:40,270
did you have a question I don't have a question I just

2209
01:47:40,270 --> 01:47:42,159
wanted to respond to the statements to

2210
01:47:42,159 --> 01:47:45,840
provide clarity to the Crawford issue and our master

2211
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,319
mobility plan or the mobility plan for

2212
01:47:48,319 --> 01:47:51,050
Denton Crawford is included in that and it's considered a

2213
01:47:51,050 --> 01:47:52,880
primary arterial so there is going

2214
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:56,420
to be expansion to Crawford I don't know the timeline of

2215
01:47:56,420 --> 01:47:58,800
that but that is set to be addressed

2216
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:01,289
that is on the list and then I appreciate your feedback at

2217
01:48:01,289 --> 01:48:02,800
the parking that's something that we

2218
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:05,489
can certainly that is part of the purview of this

2219
01:48:05,489 --> 01:48:08,079
discussion is to look at at the site plan when

2220
01:48:08,079 --> 01:48:11,060
parking is under that and so I just appreciate your

2221
01:48:11,060 --> 01:48:14,000
feedback and lastly welcome to Denton and

2222
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,300
thank you for being active in these discussions that's very

2223
01:48:16,300 --> 01:48:17,039
helpful thank you

2224
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:23,590
Ms Wyatt would you like to talk about the parking lot

2225
01:48:23,590 --> 01:48:29,039
please thank you I can't talk about the parking

2226
01:48:29,039 --> 01:48:31,739
lot we don't have a parking ratio for this type of use

2227
01:48:31,739 --> 01:48:34,319
within the Denton development code so

2228
01:48:34,319 --> 01:48:37,000
you know we worked with the applicant to find out what they

2229
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:38,479
felt was the most appropriate

2230
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:41,779
parking ratio we looked at that and made sure that we felt

2231
01:48:41,779 --> 01:48:43,279
like it was appropriate

2232
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:47,109
they may be able if if the community's concerned about

2233
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:49,680
additional parking they may be able to add

2234
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:52,460
additional parking we also wanted to make sure that there

2235
01:48:52,460 --> 01:48:57,680
was um that community residents could

2236
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:02,600
access it not just by car but by bicycle and by sidewalk as

2237
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:05,279
well so you know we wanted to keep

2238
01:49:05,279 --> 01:49:08,460
parking appropriate for the site because we wanted to

2239
01:49:08,460 --> 01:49:12,479
maintain the green space and but still provide

2240
01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:16,890
adequate for those who want to drive there so we don't have

2241
01:49:16,890 --> 01:49:19,680
a ratio necessarily how many I'm curious

2242
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:22,930
how many parking spots are in it are on it right now and

2243
01:49:22,930 --> 01:49:25,680
that file is keeping in mind that it is in

2244
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:28,930
a neighborhood with there's going to be sidewalks and bike

2245
01:49:28,930 --> 01:49:31,600
racks and such too but there are about 20

2246
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:37,630
parking spaces are there um are there okay I'm sorry I can

2247
01:49:37,630 --> 01:49:43,199
't see it okay all right 21

2248
01:49:46,399 --> 01:49:50,340
I'm sorry 21 thank you sure thank you and Earl would you

2249
01:49:50,340 --> 01:49:52,479
like to talk about Crawford Road

2250
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:55,840
thank you

2251
01:50:01,359 --> 01:50:03,270
good evening commissioners uh Crawford Roads it's an

2252
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:06,479
interesting uh unique situation there because

2253
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:10,729
it's a border between Denton and Argyle and the boundary

2254
01:50:10,729 --> 01:50:13,359
the city's boundary line for that road

2255
01:50:13,359 --> 01:50:16,399
is actually at the center of the street so half of it's

2256
01:50:16,399 --> 01:50:18,560
owned and maintained by the city of Denton

2257
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:21,050
the north side and the south side's own and maintained by

2258
01:50:21,050 --> 01:50:22,640
the city of Argyle we've discussed

2259
01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:26,649
this with Argyle and they're interested in eventually

2260
01:50:26,649 --> 01:50:29,199
ultimately taking ownership and

2261
01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:32,649
maintenance of that roadway however the ultimate right away

2262
01:50:32,649 --> 01:50:36,239
is not there at this time so as

2263
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:39,970
platting occurs and development occurs along that roadway

2264
01:50:39,970 --> 01:50:43,039
will exact the right away along their

2265
01:50:43,039 --> 01:50:47,579
frontage and once the right away is accumulated along that

2266
01:50:47,579 --> 01:50:50,079
entire stretch we'll have to do

2267
01:50:50,079 --> 01:50:54,210
eventually a boundary adjustment with the city of Argyle so

2268
01:50:54,210 --> 01:50:56,479
that they can't take ownership

2269
01:50:56,479 --> 01:51:00,960
is there a timeline on that it's not like a long process it

2270
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:02,479
's going to be a long process unless

2271
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:08,050
Argyle takes the initiative to acquire through condemnation

2272
01:51:08,050 --> 01:51:09,600
or acquisition so maybe this

2273
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:11,729
neighborhood could go to the Argyle planning and zoning

2274
01:51:11,729 --> 01:51:15,600
commission push this through but so there

2275
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:19,029
are plans for it but it's there's a plan for it right just

2276
01:51:19,029 --> 01:51:21,119
no no timeline and as for parking on

2277
01:51:21,119 --> 01:51:25,109
John Payne John Payne does not allow parking on that street

2278
01:51:25,109 --> 01:51:29,279
thank you this is a public hearing is

2279
01:51:29,279 --> 01:51:31,579
there anyone else that would like to speak or have any

2280
01:51:31,579 --> 01:51:33,520
questions please and you could please set your

2281
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:36,279
name and address for the record and then fill out a blue

2282
01:51:36,279 --> 01:51:38,399
card and hand it in before you leave thank

2283
01:51:38,399 --> 01:51:42,079
you um i had a couple of questions one was answered uh

2284
01:51:42,079 --> 01:51:44,720
regarding security access someone

2285
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:46,970
had mentioned a code the question was is it going to be a

2286
01:51:46,970 --> 01:51:50,399
code is going to be card uh like the current

2287
01:51:50,399 --> 01:51:53,279
amenity center is and you answer that would be a card and

2288
01:51:53,279 --> 01:51:56,000
that's that's a secure means the other

2289
01:51:56,000 --> 01:52:00,550
question brought up by my new neighbor um was regarding the

2290
01:52:00,550 --> 01:52:03,840
soccer field will this soccer field

2291
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:09,689
be used for city leagues and things like that or is this

2292
01:52:09,689 --> 01:52:13,359
this is primarily i assume for the residents

2293
01:52:13,359 --> 01:52:20,149
of uh country lakes my name is Tim Maddox 5720 Balmorray my

2294
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:23,199
mind i was like sorry please continue

2295
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,600
that's it thank you for the opportunity and i'll fill out a

2296
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:27,840
card

2297
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:35,100
would you like to address that sir yes i think we call it a

2298
01:52:35,100 --> 01:52:37,439
soccer field it's an hoa play field

2299
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:39,050
i mean they can go out you can play pick up game of

2300
01:52:39,050 --> 01:52:40,640
football you can do whatever it's not going to

2301
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:43,640
be sanctioned in the denton county soccer league where it

2302
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:45,680
opens up every saturday to games from eight

2303
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:48,520
to eight so our plan is it's hoa owned and it'll be hoa

2304
01:52:48,520 --> 01:52:50,720
played and there'll be areas where they can

2305
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:54,920
hang out but no schools or leagues or anything like that so

2306
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:57,760
a quick question is that a regulation

2307
01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:00,050
soccer field or is it kind of a mini it's just a

2308
01:53:00,050 --> 01:53:02,720
designation for an open field to be used for

2309
01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:04,710
it could have been called field but yeah okay because i

2310
01:53:04,710 --> 01:53:06,000
think people are going to get the wrong

2311
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:09,479
impression about regulation 100 meters by 50 meters type

2312
01:53:09,479 --> 01:53:10,720
situation and it's huge we spent the last 11

2313
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:12,720
years on the soccer field so yeah it's people and chaos

2314
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:14,720
maybe you should call it a play field maybe

2315
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:17,250
or ball field play field i think is what normally is

2316
01:53:17,250 --> 01:53:20,000
designated for this type of area open play field

2317
01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:26,850
sir sorry the plans themselves i mean uh he's with ventric

2318
01:53:26,850 --> 01:53:29,359
says a playing field so thank you

2319
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:36,029
so anyone else who would like to speak on this item or have

2320
01:53:36,029 --> 01:53:36,720
any questions

2321
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:46,810
are you sure you already spoke once i'm sorry i know anyone

2322
01:53:46,810 --> 01:53:48,159
else tell it to your neighbor and

2323
01:53:48,159 --> 01:53:54,470
then they can come up huh there's no rules against it i'm

2324
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:57,600
the chair i'm gonna say it's okay

2325
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:05,090
all right there you go way to go neighbors set your name

2326
01:54:05,090 --> 01:54:09,840
and address for the record please

2327
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:15,220
i'm tracy maddox 5720 balmerie drive in argyle but really

2328
01:54:15,220 --> 01:54:18,720
didn't um okay so the question is what will

2329
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:22,239
it take to have some more discussions with the city of dent

2330
01:54:22,239 --> 01:54:24,479
on planning and zoning with argyle

2331
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:28,399
about crawford or is it just like at a dead stop that's a

2332
01:54:28,399 --> 01:54:29,680
great question

2333
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:36,880
our own do you have an answer to that

2334
01:54:40,079 --> 01:54:41,920
thanks for being a team player yeah

2335
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:47,279
i'm assuming you're wanting to know what the timeline is to

2336
01:54:47,279 --> 01:54:48,960
forward and widening eventually

2337
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:52,020
of crawford road with both cities and what argals

2338
01:54:52,020 --> 01:54:56,000
intentions are to to uh i guess take ownership and

2339
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:58,939
maintenance of that roadway um that's something we can set

2340
01:54:58,939 --> 01:55:00,880
up with the city of argal um just not sure

2341
01:55:01,439 --> 01:55:04,050
who the proper contacts would be there to begin with but we

2342
01:55:04,050 --> 01:55:06,319
can eventually essentially get that

2343
01:55:07,039 --> 01:55:09,720
get that ball rolling if you'd like so so could people get

2344
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:11,680
in touch with you or all for and you

2345
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:14,880
could or yeah okay so y'all hit him up after the meeting

2346
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:16,399
and get his contact info

2347
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:23,819
all right i have one other question not related to hers so

2348
01:55:23,819 --> 01:55:25,439
when we moved in we've been there

2349
01:55:25,439 --> 01:55:29,819
since 2007 the amenity center was going to be a swimming

2350
01:55:29,819 --> 01:55:33,119
area for adults only not like adult only

2351
01:55:33,119 --> 01:55:36,329
but you know i mean it was like only like 18 and up and so

2352
01:55:36,329 --> 01:55:38,319
i'm sure with all the other stuff it

2353
01:55:38,319 --> 01:55:42,420
really is for kids but and since our hoa people are here

2354
01:55:42,420 --> 01:55:45,359
the current amenity center we really

2355
01:55:45,359 --> 01:55:48,189
out of a seven day week we really get about three days of

2356
01:55:48,189 --> 01:55:50,640
swimming because it's always shut down for

2357
01:55:53,119 --> 01:55:58,800
people who maintenance and so uh i was wondering if that's

2358
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:00,079
something that's open for discussion

2359
01:56:00,079 --> 01:56:03,970
with our hoa about having i know that's not you guys but

2360
01:56:03,970 --> 01:56:06,239
this is our hoa people are here

2361
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:18,550
i'm april woods i'm with first service residential um 1240

2362
01:56:18,550 --> 01:56:22,319
keller parkway keller um right now we've

2363
01:56:22,319 --> 01:56:25,560
had two fecal contaminations in the pool this year both

2364
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:28,479
caused by young children so not intentional

2365
01:56:28,479 --> 01:56:31,199
and that is something to be expected in a community pool

2366
01:56:31,199 --> 01:56:34,800
going forward in regards to the adult swim i

2367
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,390
believe i've exchanged emails with your husband that is

2368
01:56:37,390 --> 01:56:39,359
something that we can work with the social

2369
01:56:39,359 --> 01:56:41,880
committee to set up perhaps now that we have an additional

2370
01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:43,359
amenity center coming on board

2371
01:56:44,239 --> 01:56:46,500
definitely to reserve some time potentially for an adult

2372
01:56:46,500 --> 01:56:48,560
swim we obviously wouldn't be able to shut

2373
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:52,260
down the pool to other residents in the community but we

2374
01:56:52,260 --> 01:56:54,720
could certainly recommend that a certain

2375
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:59,390
time be designated for that going forward nice to meet you

2376
01:56:59,390 --> 01:57:02,479
that's all i have thank you so so this

2377
01:57:02,479 --> 01:57:05,970
is kind of my sense now um i'm really appreciative of the

2378
01:57:05,970 --> 01:57:08,399
neighborhood for coming out a lot of the

2379
01:57:08,399 --> 01:57:12,079
questions seem to be more hoa related than planning and

2380
01:57:12,079 --> 01:57:14,960
zoning related so i'd like to just mention

2381
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:17,449
that these are fantastic questions and i love your passion

2382
01:57:17,449 --> 01:57:18,960
and i love your involvement in your

2383
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:23,260
neighborhood but perhaps if it's an hoa specific question

2384
01:57:23,260 --> 01:57:25,680
you can hit up your hoa representative

2385
01:57:26,479 --> 01:57:28,680
and set up another meeting in regards to some of the the

2386
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:30,640
rules and regulations about this

2387
01:57:31,359 --> 01:57:34,399
yeah and i also wanted to mention too that earl eskobar is

2388
01:57:34,399 --> 01:57:36,800
with the engineering department so he

2389
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:40,060
would definitely be a good person for y'all to talk to as

2390
01:57:40,060 --> 01:57:42,239
far as working on some improvements

2391
01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:45,869
to crawford road are there any questions or comments for

2392
01:57:45,869 --> 01:57:48,079
the planning and zoning commission

2393
01:57:48,079 --> 01:57:53,970
since this is a public hearing yes sir i'm assuming this i

2394
01:57:53,970 --> 01:57:57,680
'm anthony mcdougall i live at 5200

2395
01:57:57,680 --> 01:58:02,319
brookside drive either or gallo or denton i don't know

2396
01:58:02,319 --> 01:58:03,039
where the line is

2397
01:58:09,439 --> 01:58:15,180
i moved in country lakes in 2003 and this was the brochure

2398
01:58:15,180 --> 01:58:17,680
that we were given when we moved there

2399
01:58:19,119 --> 01:58:22,449
far left-hand corner here is a future school site and right

2400
01:58:22,449 --> 01:58:24,640
above the amenity center that

2401
01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:27,680
they're proposing to build now is also a future school site

2402
01:58:27,680 --> 01:58:32,479
um for the planning and zoning

2403
01:58:32,479 --> 01:58:37,340
commission the question i have is with so many homes coming

2404
01:58:37,340 --> 01:58:40,560
into country lakes now and the

2405
01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:46,739
schools in denton um being overcrowded and schools in argau

2406
01:58:46,739 --> 01:58:50,960
being separated by the line that runs

2407
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:57,199
through country lakes when is the school going to be built

2408
01:58:57,199 --> 01:59:01,920
or is it going to be built and why

2409
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:08,479
was the initial school i guess rezoned for a church

2410
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:15,449
sir a staff person that can answer that yes that'd be julie

2411
01:59:15,449 --> 01:59:18,800
yes i'm sorry commissioner

2412
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:22,119
tedowitz i believe that uh st mark is planning at some

2413
01:59:22,119 --> 01:59:24,640
point in time to put a parochial school

2414
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:27,060
i'm sorry i can't i'm i'm sorry i'm sorry i believe this

2415
01:59:27,060 --> 01:59:29,199
the church area that you're talking about is

2416
01:59:29,199 --> 01:59:33,359
st mark and from what i understood being a parishioner

2417
01:59:33,359 --> 01:59:36,079
there is plans to build a

2418
01:59:36,079 --> 01:59:40,930
parochial school on that site catholic school okay now i

2419
01:59:40,930 --> 01:59:44,239
can't honestly say that but that was

2420
01:59:44,239 --> 01:59:47,319
the plan and that's still possibly what and you may know

2421
01:59:47,319 --> 01:59:52,880
more but uh there was a plan development

2422
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:56,810
amendment for that that catholic church a couple of years

2423
01:59:56,810 --> 01:59:59,199
ago and i don't i don't have all the

2424
01:59:59,199 --> 02:00:03,840
details as to why that a school was no longer contemplated

2425
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:05,920
for that site and for the other

2426
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:08,970
school in the neighborhood we don't have an application for

2427
02:00:08,970 --> 02:00:10,800
that at this time so i don't know

2428
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:13,560
what the timing would be for that so just a placeholder for

2429
02:00:13,560 --> 02:00:15,760
now much much like the amenity

2430
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:18,909
center was when the detail plan came in commissioner taylor

2431
02:00:18,909 --> 02:00:19,920
thank you chair so

2432
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:25,199
dentin isd would be the one that would set the time frame

2433
02:00:25,199 --> 02:00:27,680
based on when they have the student

2434
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:30,060
enrollment or whatever their criteria are right is that

2435
02:00:30,060 --> 02:00:32,960
correct my assumption would be dentin isd

2436
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:34,789
in conjunction with probably the developer because there's

2437
02:00:34,789 --> 02:00:36,000
probably going to have to be some

2438
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:38,810
cooperation there because a detail plan amendment is going

2439
02:00:38,810 --> 02:00:42,800
to be required for it so um so but yeah i

2440
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:48,270
would assume it would once dentin isd needs the school does

2441
02:00:48,270 --> 02:00:51,680
that answer your question sir as best

2442
02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:57,399
as we can i think what i got out of it is no one knows kind

2443
02:00:57,399 --> 02:00:57,760
of

2444
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:02,119
quick up in the airplane yeah go ahead i can provide the

2445
02:01:02,119 --> 02:01:05,199
staff report to you um that was

2446
02:01:05,199 --> 02:01:07,619
prepared when that catholic church came in if you'd like

2447
02:01:07,619 --> 02:01:09,199
just contact me and i can provide the

2448
02:01:09,199 --> 02:01:12,270
information to you perfect all right all right thank you

2449
02:01:12,270 --> 02:01:14,560
community in action i love it thank you

2450
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:18,960
thank you very much good question sir yes ma'am

2451
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:23,350
if you could please state your name and address for the

2452
02:01:23,350 --> 02:01:24,880
record and then be sure to fill out a

2453
02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:28,710
blue card too before you leave thank you my name is therese

2454
02:01:28,710 --> 02:01:30,960
the penny packer and i live at five eight

2455
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:35,369
oh nine to walk me drive argyle texas um i think this is a

2456
02:01:35,369 --> 02:01:38,960
question for you instead of a soccer field

2457
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:42,720
would there be any consideration to perhaps a tennis court

2458
02:01:42,720 --> 02:01:45,760
which would bring in less traffic

2459
02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:50,010
a little diversity a little more adult that would be a

2460
02:01:50,010 --> 02:01:52,479
question for your hoa

2461
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:57,920
okay yes that's a good question now can i get another one

2462
02:01:57,920 --> 02:01:59,760
sure oh yeah you still got time okay um

2463
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:04,340
the traffic is a concern because i go to work every day and

2464
02:02:04,340 --> 02:02:05,840
it's hard to get in and out and

2465
02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:08,529
when they block off the road for construction like they did

2466
02:02:08,529 --> 02:02:10,960
this week there was no other way to get

2467
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:15,039
out to 377 unless you got to the railroad track and then

2468
02:02:15,039 --> 02:02:18,479
had to go all the way back to 35 so

2469
02:02:19,119 --> 02:02:22,039
is there ever going to be another way in and out of country

2470
02:02:22,039 --> 02:02:24,720
lakes and i don't know if that's for you

2471
02:02:24,720 --> 02:02:27,659
either that's a good planning and zoning question yeah and

2472
02:02:27,659 --> 02:02:30,720
i think that's probably something that

2473
02:02:31,119 --> 02:02:35,539
earl could address it yeah yeah was that yeah i'm good it's

2474
02:02:35,539 --> 02:02:38,079
great yes thank you thank you

2475
02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:40,550
and then please fill out a blue card too before you leave

2476
02:02:40,550 --> 02:02:42,159
yeah i think they're out there yeah

2477
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:50,399
does that help a little bit

2478
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:56,140
john payne eventually will extend to the north as

2479
02:02:56,140 --> 02:02:58,560
development occurs

2480
02:02:58,560 --> 02:03:02,619
um all the way to i believe it's johnson street to correct

2481
02:03:02,619 --> 02:03:06,239
me if i'm incorrect so johnson street is

2482
02:03:06,239 --> 02:03:09,659
the southern boundary line of the entire country lakes

2483
02:03:09,659 --> 02:03:11,920
north or country like yeah country lakes

2484
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:15,750
north development so eventually the developer will develop

2485
02:03:15,750 --> 02:03:18,079
all phases and as they do so along john

2486
02:03:18,079 --> 02:03:20,699
payne it will extend all the way to johnson to provide that

2487
02:03:20,699 --> 02:03:22,479
point of access but that sounds like

2488
02:03:22,479 --> 02:03:24,729
it's going to be a little ways off and the cementity center

2489
02:03:24,729 --> 02:03:26,720
is going to be coming in sooner so

2490
02:03:26,720 --> 02:03:29,239
addressing her concern about how to get around within the

2491
02:03:29,239 --> 02:03:31,039
neighborhood when they're blocking

2492
02:03:31,039 --> 02:03:36,090
off streets for construction is there a plans a backup plan

2493
02:03:36,090 --> 02:03:38,640
for that construction of the

2494
02:03:38,640 --> 02:03:40,880
amenity center yes ma'am as i understood that was your

2495
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:42,640
question is when there's probably going to be

2496
02:03:42,640 --> 02:03:45,350
some blocking of lanes with the moving construction

2497
02:03:45,350 --> 02:03:47,359
equipment in and out and that's what i understood

2498
02:03:47,359 --> 02:03:51,229
your question to be yeah could you address that yeah by

2499
02:03:51,229 --> 02:03:53,840
looking at this development uh just site

2500
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:57,890
plan right now there's no lots to the north of this amenity

2501
02:03:57,890 --> 02:04:00,239
center so there shouldn't be any

2502
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:03,520
traffic blocked as part of the construction of the amenity

2503
02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:04,399
center itself

2504
02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:08,760
um all the lots proposed along with the amenity center to

2505
02:04:08,760 --> 02:04:12,239
the east and south and so there shouldn't

2506
02:04:12,239 --> 02:04:17,039
be any blockage of of traffic i don't believe okay thanks

2507
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:25,649
there's no there's no lots to the to the north of this so

2508
02:04:25,649 --> 02:04:27,680
this is at the north end so any

2509
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:31,300
of the construction is going to be out away from any of the

2510
02:04:31,300 --> 02:04:34,079
existing homeowners as well as any new

2511
02:04:34,079 --> 02:04:37,329
homeowners it's going to be at the far end of that so the

2512
02:04:37,329 --> 02:04:40,159
construction of the center will not affect

2513
02:04:40,159 --> 02:04:42,979
any of the traffic and also what i'm here is the the school

2514
02:04:42,979 --> 02:04:45,199
site up there across the center is

2515
02:04:45,199 --> 02:04:48,920
owned by the denton school district it has been dated to

2516
02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:51,680
them so any questions anybody has about

2517
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:54,569
when the school is going to be built that doesn't even

2518
02:04:54,569 --> 02:04:56,800
directed to the isd we have met with them on

2519
02:04:56,800 --> 02:05:00,449
numerous times to offer whatever we could to encourage them

2520
02:05:00,449 --> 02:05:02,159
you know to build it but it's

2521
02:05:02,159 --> 02:05:05,579
definitely it's on their radar but you'd have to ask them

2522
02:05:05,579 --> 02:05:08,000
when thank you would it be possible to

2523
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:11,680
get the the 1999 concept plan up to see the entire

2524
02:05:11,680 --> 02:05:13,039
development sorry

2525
02:05:15,279 --> 02:05:17,279
so

2526
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:24,119
and so that's johnson is the east west road at the very top

2527
02:05:24,119 --> 02:05:28,479
of the development is that correct

2528
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,670
and so at some point in the future that will become a an

2529
02:05:34,670 --> 02:05:36,159
arterial or

2530
02:05:36,159 --> 02:05:39,810
it would have to be improved once that development that was

2531
02:05:39,810 --> 02:05:41,600
adjacent to it would come in

2532
02:05:46,079 --> 02:05:50,800
and yeah please come forward and say your name and address

2533
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:57,550
hello my name is jeff greason i live at 5916 eagle mountain

2534
02:05:57,550 --> 02:05:58,239
drive

2535
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:02,569
argyle denton isd i want to add to the question that she

2536
02:06:02,569 --> 02:06:05,920
had was are there plans and development

2537
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:05,920
for john payne to extend all the way to either 377 actually

2538
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:14,399
leave country lakes we only have two

2539
02:06:14,399 --> 02:06:17,939
entrances they come into crawford we talked about was very

2540
02:06:17,939 --> 02:06:19,840
congested you've got ropes and

2541
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:22,210
ranch coming through you're going to have the hospital

2542
02:06:22,210 --> 02:06:23,760
coming through i understand we don't

2543
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:27,039
need to talk about crawford we get that but there are only

2544
02:06:27,039 --> 02:06:28,880
two entrances to country lakes

2545
02:06:29,680 --> 02:06:33,869
i'm in the back so john payne comes right past where i

2546
02:06:33,869 --> 02:06:36,880
where i live increased traffic will it

2547
02:06:36,880 --> 02:06:41,479
ever leave country lakes to 377 or to i apologize there's a

2548
02:06:41,479 --> 02:06:43,279
gravel road to the north

2549
02:06:44,079 --> 02:06:46,319
beby johnson that's johnson what's the timing

2550
02:06:50,159 --> 02:06:53,899
i'm not earl do you have no timing at all on does it kind

2551
02:06:53,899 --> 02:06:56,640
of depend on when the neighborhood how

2552
02:06:57,199 --> 02:07:00,819
quickly the neighborhood is built out thank you thank you

2553
02:07:00,819 --> 02:07:02,319
sir and please remember to fill out a

2554
02:07:02,319 --> 02:07:08,260
blue card you got it awesome oops yeah there's no immediate

2555
02:07:08,260 --> 02:07:11,600
plans for the extension of johnson

2556
02:07:11,600 --> 02:07:14,489
road that's the question at this time however with the you

2557
02:07:14,489 --> 02:07:16,319
know the implementation of roadway

2558
02:07:16,319 --> 02:07:19,000
impact fees and this development that comes in there might

2559
02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:21,760
be an opportunity to to extend make

2560
02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:25,489
that extension a lot sooner as a traffic start begin to

2561
02:07:25,489 --> 02:07:28,159
increase and the need for that second

2562
02:07:28,159 --> 02:07:33,649
point is needed thank you is there anyone else that would

2563
02:07:33,649 --> 02:07:36,960
like to speak this is a public hearing

2564
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:44,760
yes please sir my name is brad quick i live at 9204 benbro

2565
02:07:44,760 --> 02:07:47,359
ok lane in aria and uh

2566
02:07:49,279 --> 02:07:51,289
i'm a engineer for a general contractor large general

2567
02:07:51,289 --> 02:07:53,520
contractor so i look at a lot of this

2568
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:57,060
and i've actually lived in two places in country lakes

2569
02:07:57,060 --> 02:08:00,239
lived over at 5416 now live in the backside

2570
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:05,140
where everybody's talking about this and i'm doing what i

2571
02:08:05,140 --> 02:08:06,800
do i've looked at a lot of the plans i've

2572
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:09,689
talked with the builder quite a lot and i've seen a lot of

2573
02:08:09,689 --> 02:08:11,760
this stuff and i've looked into what the

2574
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:13,710
city of dentin what city oracle has so i can actually

2575
02:08:13,710 --> 02:08:15,199
answer some of the questions some of

2576
02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:19,369
these people have there's actually three ways in and out of

2577
02:08:19,369 --> 02:08:21,840
country lakes the other two paved

2578
02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:25,539
sections at the front and then when you come up john pain

2579
02:08:25,539 --> 02:08:28,560
where it makes that first hard big right

2580
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:31,619
hand turn there's a dirt road that connects up to johnson

2581
02:08:31,619 --> 02:08:33,840
also connects to the johnson road connects

2582
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:37,189
at the bridge you can carry it across and go over towards

2583
02:08:37,189 --> 02:08:41,840
pondor or you can go towards 377 now john

2584
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:46,449
pain will only go up to johnson road and meet we cannot

2585
02:08:46,449 --> 02:08:51,199
cross from where we're at into the 377 i

2586
02:08:51,199 --> 02:08:54,739
was some people's question because that's the railroad we

2587
02:08:54,739 --> 02:08:56,880
can't we're at where we're at and you

2588
02:08:56,880 --> 02:09:00,310
i know you're speaking about being blocked in well that one

2589
02:09:00,310 --> 02:09:02,560
that has nothing to do with anybody here

2590
02:09:03,199 --> 02:09:04,979
talked to the texas railroad commission because they were

2591
02:09:04,979 --> 02:09:06,560
doing maintenance on the railroad tracks

2592
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:09,909
which nobody here can handle and i know we do need to get

2593
02:09:09,909 --> 02:09:12,159
that and i think the easiest answer is

2594
02:09:13,039 --> 02:09:17,329
for like crawford road sir just contact your counterpart

2595
02:09:17,329 --> 02:09:19,680
over there it's not too hard when

2596
02:09:19,680 --> 02:09:23,159
you find your info and find find theirs so we can get that

2597
02:09:23,159 --> 02:09:25,520
handled and with the ammendi center

2598
02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:27,720
uh people i know it's it's approved it's going everybody's

2599
02:09:27,720 --> 02:09:29,039
here and there's a lot of questions

2600
02:09:29,039 --> 02:09:32,489
with it uh that's one of the reasons we stayed in the

2601
02:09:32,489 --> 02:09:35,039
neighborhood is to move over and we moved

2602
02:09:35,039 --> 02:09:38,229
where we did because that amenity center going in with the

2603
02:09:38,229 --> 02:09:40,159
school right there and the way the

2604
02:09:40,159 --> 02:09:43,119
amenity center is being ran now compared to what it was

2605
02:09:43,119 --> 02:09:45,359
when we first moved in eight years ago it's

2606
02:09:45,359 --> 02:09:47,510
a lot better now with the key card access they're all

2607
02:09:47,510 --> 02:09:49,600
having a lot less vandalism and people are

2608
02:09:49,600 --> 02:09:51,909
concerned about the vandalism that's the kids that live in

2609
02:09:51,909 --> 02:09:55,119
the neighborhood that's who you're

2610
02:09:55,119 --> 02:09:58,369
doing that so it's not outside people it's not anything

2611
02:09:58,369 --> 02:10:00,640
like that and with the traffic concerns

2612
02:10:01,600 --> 02:10:03,609
i don't see more traffic concerns than what we have now it

2613
02:10:03,609 --> 02:10:05,359
's going to be just like the one

2614
02:10:06,159 --> 02:10:09,520
that's in existence now on the argon side that was now serv

2615
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:12,399
icing everybody i have my 16 year old son

2616
02:10:12,399 --> 02:10:15,649
i have a 17 year old sister that lives with me they make

2617
02:10:15,649 --> 02:10:18,079
that walk to go i want them to stay closer

2618
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:21,840
and so there actually gets more traffic now because people

2619
02:10:21,840 --> 02:10:23,760
are having to drive over

2620
02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:26,079
because you want these kids walking 105 degree temperature

2621
02:10:26,079 --> 02:10:29,279
so any other concerns with that or

2622
02:10:29,279 --> 02:10:32,319
with the zoning and how many parking spaces are there this

2623
02:10:32,319 --> 02:10:34,479
is definitely bigger and it's got more

2624
02:10:34,479 --> 02:10:37,649
than what's currently existing servicing the entire

2625
02:10:37,649 --> 02:10:40,800
neighborhood so there shouldn't be any questions or

2626
02:10:41,439 --> 02:10:43,880
concerns with it i think it's one of those that should be

2627
02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:46,880
just get done right away it's being

2628
02:10:46,880 --> 02:10:50,460
managed pretty well with what we have existing and like i

2629
02:10:50,460 --> 02:10:53,039
said it's on john payne there's no

2630
02:10:53,039 --> 02:10:56,960
parking on there there's no shoulder it's large sidewalks

2631
02:10:56,960 --> 02:10:59,439
four lane road and just like it is now

2632
02:10:59,439 --> 02:11:01,659
most people are going to walk to it they're going to go to

2633
02:11:01,659 --> 02:11:04,319
it and go there it's going to be

2634
02:11:05,680 --> 02:11:07,670
actually help the neighborhood and actually cut down on

2635
02:11:07,670 --> 02:11:10,319
traffic going to the other amenity center

2636
02:11:10,319 --> 02:11:14,239
where they've had we've had to install stop signs where

2637
02:11:14,239 --> 02:11:16,000
there were none because of the increased

2638
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:19,310
traffic of more people moving in the neighborhood thank you

2639
02:11:19,310 --> 02:11:22,560
sorry so thank you um

2640
02:11:23,279 --> 02:11:25,869
just for the record then are you are you for or against the

2641
02:11:25,869 --> 02:11:27,920
i afford this okay that's the whole

2642
02:11:27,920 --> 02:11:30,800
reason we moved where we did we were leaving the house that

2643
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:32,640
we were renting there so we've been

2644
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:35,229
there in that neighborhood for eight years and we decided

2645
02:11:35,229 --> 02:11:36,960
to buy the people we were written from

2646
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:39,119
didn't want to sell but we love the neighborhood so much

2647
02:11:39,119 --> 02:11:40,880
with everything that it is especially when

2648
02:11:40,880 --> 02:11:44,460
the new company took over the new property management

2649
02:11:44,460 --> 02:11:46,880
company took over they improved it

2650
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:49,479
immensely especially with the amenity center and because

2651
02:11:49,479 --> 02:11:51,119
that mandy center and the school was

2652
02:11:51,119 --> 02:11:54,069
getting built in over there that's why we moved where we

2653
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:56,239
did we stayed inside the neighborhood

2654
02:11:56,239 --> 02:11:59,529
because we like the one that was there we like how they've

2655
02:11:59,529 --> 02:12:01,520
done it this one's going to be a lot

2656
02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:04,680
better and everything is there it's just going to be just

2657
02:12:04,680 --> 02:12:06,880
for the residents it's not it's not open

2658
02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:09,840
to the public just like it is currently right now with

2659
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:12,000
everything you know we have our dogs

2660
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:15,149
we run them around and on the grass and everything like

2661
02:12:15,149 --> 02:12:17,840
that so this is going to be really good it's

2662
02:12:17,840 --> 02:12:20,720
going to be better for the people better for everybody and

2663
02:12:20,720 --> 02:12:23,840
this is made for families so that's

2664
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:26,609
what it needs to be what it is so i'm all for this and i

2665
02:12:26,609 --> 02:12:28,640
can't wait for it to open up because

2666
02:12:28,640 --> 02:12:32,609
that's a long walk in flip-flops to get over there thank

2667
02:12:32,609 --> 02:12:33,920
you sir thank you

2668
02:12:36,079 --> 02:12:39,119
this is a public hearing does anyone who'd like to speak

2669
02:12:39,119 --> 02:12:40,479
for against the side if you have any

2670
02:12:40,479 --> 02:12:43,199
questions it's a good chance for you to do it yeah please

2671
02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:53,989
thank you my name is angela jack i'm at 5413 balmora drive

2672
02:12:53,989 --> 02:12:56,800
and i don't know if this is so

2673
02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:59,569
much a planning and zoning but with all the new

2674
02:12:59,569 --> 02:13:02,720
construction and if there was a way that the trucks

2675
02:13:02,720 --> 02:13:06,869
could come in a different route and save crawford road i

2676
02:13:06,869 --> 02:13:09,600
would just like to make that appeal

2677
02:13:10,399 --> 02:13:14,180
because we have bikers on crawford we have runners we have

2678
02:13:14,180 --> 02:13:16,640
people leaving and going to work and

2679
02:13:16,640 --> 02:13:20,420
same time and so we just it's a very dangerous road and so

2680
02:13:20,420 --> 02:13:22,880
the more the big trucks are on there

2681
02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:28,890
the more dangerous it gets so thank you is that would that

2682
02:13:28,890 --> 02:13:31,920
be a p and z question or is that an

2683
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:34,619
hoa question is that something that we can address is the

2684
02:13:34,619 --> 02:13:36,720
traffic flow of the construction vehicles

2685
02:13:37,680 --> 02:13:42,079
yes how would how would we like to address that

2686
02:13:45,600 --> 02:13:46,560
come on girl

2687
02:13:50,640 --> 02:13:54,810
you get no workout tonight or all see if i can go back to

2688
02:13:54,810 --> 02:13:57,359
the presentation here

2689
02:14:03,520 --> 02:14:14,560
oh wow

2690
02:14:15,680 --> 02:14:16,800
am i going the right direction

2691
02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:30,560
i'm sorry

2692
02:14:37,680 --> 02:14:40,560
i might need the developer's assistance here mr douglas um

2693
02:14:42,399 --> 02:14:48,949
the amenity center is part of a phase that three b three b

2694
02:14:48,949 --> 02:14:52,239
and so if the i think in terms of

2695
02:14:52,239 --> 02:14:55,670
construction traffic if you can limit it to just john pain

2696
02:14:55,670 --> 02:14:57,520
and come around and not impact the

2697
02:14:57,520 --> 02:15:00,109
local roads i think that would be the approach that you

2698
02:15:00,109 --> 02:15:03,680
might have to take again we've instructed all

2699
02:15:03,680 --> 02:15:08,699
our contractors and the truck drivers to use john pain and

2700
02:15:08,699 --> 02:15:11,680
in fact even in the rush time which truck

2701
02:15:11,680 --> 02:15:15,239
drivers did like this we actually had them going up old

2702
02:15:15,239 --> 02:15:18,079
john pain and across johnson road so we did

2703
02:15:18,079 --> 02:15:21,479
try to do that however you know we can't control every

2704
02:15:21,479 --> 02:15:24,159
truck that comes in and out of there but we

2705
02:15:24,159 --> 02:15:27,659
did our very best as we was developing this phase to bring

2706
02:15:27,659 --> 02:15:30,159
as much traffic in across johnson road

2707
02:15:30,159 --> 02:15:33,649
but again there's always that that road driver and again

2708
02:15:33,649 --> 02:15:35,920
there's a lot of other traffic not just what

2709
02:15:35,920 --> 02:15:39,079
we're doing development but there's home building there's

2710
02:15:39,079 --> 02:15:41,199
moving vans there's all kinds of other

2711
02:15:41,199 --> 02:15:43,869
truck and there's other trucks using cropper roads not even

2712
02:15:43,869 --> 02:15:45,439
associated with our subdivision

2713
02:15:45,439 --> 02:15:48,590
so again there there is a lot and i understand it's a two

2714
02:15:48,590 --> 02:15:51,359
lane two lane road but we do everything

2715
02:15:51,359 --> 02:15:54,689
we can to bring as much of the heavier truck traffic in

2716
02:15:54,689 --> 02:15:57,199
from johnson road and down old john pang

2717
02:15:59,520 --> 02:15:59,920
thank you

2718
02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:06,890
anyone else would like to speak for or against this item or

2719
02:16:06,890 --> 02:16:08,720
any questions

2720
02:16:11,359 --> 02:16:14,439
you all feel it empowered with knowledge you know what's

2721
02:16:14,439 --> 02:16:18,560
going on now love it okay so with that i'm

2722
02:16:18,560 --> 02:16:21,920
going to close the public hearing thank you for sticking

2723
02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:24,319
around so late tonight and i'm going to

2724
02:16:24,319 --> 02:16:27,600
open it up for discussion or a motion from the commission

2725
02:16:31,119 --> 02:16:32,319
commissioner beck

2726
02:16:38,319 --> 02:16:41,350
i forget that i would like to thank everybody for coming in

2727
02:16:41,350 --> 02:16:43,600
tonight i appreciate it and though

2728
02:16:43,600 --> 02:16:46,760
you asked some things that we can't address this commission

2729
02:16:46,760 --> 02:16:48,799
it's good to see people getting

2730
02:16:48,799 --> 02:16:51,879
involved uh and and trying to make things happen so i do

2731
02:16:51,879 --> 02:16:54,319
appreciate you all making it out tonight

2732
02:16:54,319 --> 02:16:57,059
and again as far as crawford road is concerned remember the

2733
02:16:57,059 --> 02:16:58,719
other half of that is our guys so

2734
02:16:58,719 --> 02:17:01,799
take this group of people and take it to the heart of city

2735
02:17:01,799 --> 02:17:04,559
commissioners over there and uh try and

2736
02:17:04,559 --> 02:17:07,459
get them to help you with that aspect of that road

2737
02:17:07,459 --> 02:17:10,479
improvement too and uh with that being said i

2738
02:17:10,479 --> 02:17:13,200
would like to motion that we approve this agenda

2739
02:17:16,399 --> 02:17:18,719
commissioner rooselle second

2740
02:17:21,040 --> 02:17:23,440
any discussion about this

2741
02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:27,139
i just like to say one once more thank you all for sticking

2742
02:17:27,139 --> 02:17:29,920
around on a school night it's so late

2743
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:33,500
and uh i really i can tell that you're a very engaged uh

2744
02:17:33,500 --> 02:17:36,159
community and a strong neighborhood

2745
02:17:36,159 --> 02:17:38,750
it's a lot of questions unfortunately that we can't really

2746
02:17:38,750 --> 02:17:40,399
address tonight but it sounds like we

2747
02:17:40,399 --> 02:17:42,840
have all the right people in the right room together so i

2748
02:17:42,840 --> 02:17:44,159
encourage you to meet with each

2749
02:17:44,159 --> 02:17:46,649
other after the meeting so you can really work out the

2750
02:17:46,649 --> 02:17:48,799
finer details with this with this project at

2751
02:17:48,799 --> 02:17:52,559
your hoa so with that let's vote on the board

2752
02:17:59,920 --> 02:18:04,559
um

2753
02:18:04,799 --> 02:18:07,319
the motion does pass five zero thank you very much for

2754
02:18:07,319 --> 02:18:07,920
coming out

2755
02:18:10,719 --> 02:18:14,469
um and then item i guess that's it any are there any

2756
02:18:14,469 --> 02:18:16,719
concluding items that we need to address

2757
02:18:17,440 --> 02:18:20,680
yes we're good all right yeah i'm sorry commissioner

2758
02:18:20,680 --> 02:18:23,360
commissioner beck thank you chair

2759
02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:27,750
uh i have recently been made aware of and have been reading

2760
02:18:27,750 --> 02:18:30,239
some material on a lot of communities

2761
02:18:30,799 --> 02:18:33,670
that are reducing and even eliminating their parking

2762
02:18:33,670 --> 02:18:37,280
requirements um and it's kind of a win-win

2763
02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:41,690
situation uh developers you know it keeps their costs down

2764
02:18:41,690 --> 02:18:44,000
it opens up more green space for the

2765
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:47,309
community and uh hold just hold that thought one second

2766
02:18:47,309 --> 02:18:49,440
commissioner beck will we let the room

2767
02:18:49,440 --> 02:18:57,040
clear okay it's kind of hard to hear you

2768
02:19:06,399 --> 02:19:13,040
okay i didn't know it had volume control

2769
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:18,629
you guys came in line i appreciate it all right let's try

2770
02:19:18,629 --> 02:19:20,000
that again let me just turn up my turn

2771
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:23,459
up your ears as i tell my kids turn up your ears all right

2772
02:19:23,459 --> 02:19:25,680
let's try it again am i good to go yeah

2773
02:19:26,799 --> 02:19:29,459
i've been lately made aware of and i've read a lot of

2774
02:19:29,459 --> 02:19:32,479
material on a lot of communities uh that are

2775
02:19:32,479 --> 02:19:36,239
reducing or even eliminating their parking requirements and

2776
02:19:36,239 --> 02:19:38,079
it's kind of a win-win situation

2777
02:19:38,079 --> 02:19:41,049
for everybody developers are spending less as a result of

2778
02:19:41,049 --> 02:19:42,879
it and it opens up more green space

2779
02:19:42,879 --> 02:19:45,469
for the community and and and with fewer parking space

2780
02:19:45,469 --> 02:19:48,079
especially if it's in uh dense populated

2781
02:19:48,079 --> 02:19:52,149
areas it encourages people to ride their bikes walk so that

2782
02:19:52,149 --> 02:19:55,040
being said i would like uh for this

2783
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:58,209
commission to review parking space requirements as laid out

2784
02:19:58,209 --> 02:20:00,399
in sub chapter 14 in the development

2785
02:20:00,399 --> 02:20:05,549
code sections 35.14.1 through 35.14.10 for the express

2786
02:20:05,549 --> 02:20:08,079
purpose of reducing such spaces to expand

2787
02:20:08,079 --> 02:20:11,270
our green space and encourage fewer people to drive their

2788
02:20:11,270 --> 02:20:13,040
autist to places within short

2789
02:20:13,040 --> 02:20:19,899
distances of their home well stated sir okay for a future

2790
02:20:19,899 --> 02:20:22,079
agenda item how to do

2791
02:20:22,719 --> 02:20:24,719
larry i'm gonna ask you to email me that request the

2792
02:20:24,719 --> 02:20:26,879
commission has heard it it's on the record

2793
02:20:26,879 --> 02:20:28,879
but if you could email it to me and then we'll take care

2794
02:20:28,879 --> 02:20:32,559
from there i heard you larry loud and

2795
02:20:32,559 --> 02:20:37,799
clear anything else okay that will conclude our meeting the

2796
02:20:37,799 --> 02:20:48,719
time is 7 45 thank you very much

2797
02:21:02,559 --> 02:21:32,559
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