WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.509 Planning and Zoning Commission work session for May the 11 00:00:04.509 --> 00:00:06.960 th. It is 535 and 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:09.410 our meeting has been duly posted and we have a quorum 00:00:09.410 --> 00:00:11.240 present and I'll call our 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:15.609 meeting to order at this time. Our first item on our agenda 00:00:15.609 --> 00:00:16.780 is going to be to 00:00:16.780 --> 00:00:19.769 receive clarification of agenda items and I will turn that 00:00:19.769 --> 00:00:20.800 over to Manal for 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:23.559 presentation. Thank you Chair President Strange. We have on 00:00:23.559 --> 00:00:24.600 the consent agenda 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:27.100 item a general development plan. It's relatively 00:00:27.100 --> 00:00:28.879 straightforward. We'd be happy 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:31.780 to present it or answer any questions that anybody may have 00:00:31.780 --> 00:00:32.600 on this one else 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:36.600 we could move forward to the next item. Commissioner Beck. 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:40.079 Thank you Chair. Okay 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:45.219 and I'm just again new at this and everything but this 00:00:45.219 --> 00:00:46.200 development looks 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:50.390 like it's just pure housing development. There is nothing 00:00:50.390 --> 00:00:51.960 there. We were talking 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:56.579 at our last meeting about conservation development and 00:00:56.579 --> 00:00:58.119 there is no green space 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:01.840 in this place. There's no bike riding area. It's on a busy 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:04.120 road and I don't 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:07.219 know should we be making comments? Shouldn't we be you know 00:01:07.219 --> 00:01:08.040 seeking somebody 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:11.200 to build something along those lines if we have to consider 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:12.599 that? Or is that 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:15.549 something we should I should even be voice an opinion about 00:01:15.549 --> 00:01:16.640 at this point? 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:20.909 Definitely appreciate the suggestions however at this time 00:01:20.909 --> 00:01:22.120 zoning is already 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:24.769 in place. The parameters of the existing Denton Development 00:01:24.769 --> 00:01:25.480 Code in place in 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:27.810 order to create those types of elements or introduce those 00:01:27.810 --> 00:01:28.680 types of elements we 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:31.120 would have to actually create those districts to establish 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:31.760 those criteria. 00:01:31.760 --> 00:01:35.709 Okay and I think we're making a movement is underway to get 00:01:35.709 --> 00:01:38.239 to that point. Okay so 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:40.680 this is something we probably address on down the road. 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:43.319 Okay good good. Now I guess 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:47.040 and again probably not the right time to do it but I 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:55.400 noticed that on the oil wells there I guess it would be 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:59.370 the south east corner that look like the back and right up 00:01:59.370 --> 00:02:01.200 to the houses. Now again I 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:06.609 can't retain this information but what's the distances 00:02:06.609 --> 00:02:09.000 again? If I'm not mistaken 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:11.789 the setbacks to these existing wells now this is not on 00:02:11.789 --> 00:02:12.879 their property it's an 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:17.870 adjacent well. If I'm not mistaken it is 250 feet because 00:02:17.870 --> 00:02:19.180 it's the 00:02:19.180 --> 00:02:23.319 reverse. Right but that didn't look like 250 feet. It looks 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:24.479 like they're right up against the back. No I believe that 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:25.120 once we bring 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:27.500 forward the preliminary plot we'll have the true dimension 00:02:27.500 --> 00:02:28.360 associated with that. 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.150 At this point the general development plan reflects the ph 00:02:31.150 --> 00:02:31.879 asing program 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:34.840 associated with this component of the development. We have 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:35.560 addressed and 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:39.530 discussed the gas well element associated in terms of adjac 00:02:39.530 --> 00:02:40.199 ency as well 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:43.219 with the applicant and vetted it with our legal team as 00:02:43.219 --> 00:02:46.759 well. Thank you. 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:57.310 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you chair. Could you we don't 00:02:57.310 --> 00:02:58.719 see very many general 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:01.009 development plans could you just outline the difference 00:03:01.009 --> 00:03:01.919 between this and say a 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:05.610 preliminary plot that shows phases? If I'm not mistaken and 00:03:05.610 --> 00:03:06.800 Chandran can we pull 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:10.439 that up on the screen please and I'm sure you can provide 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:11.599 some additional 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:16.439 guidance as well. The intent of a general development plan 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:17.840 you know if you look at 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:19.780 it I'm sure when you read it you think this is very syn 00:03:19.780 --> 00:03:20.719 onymous to a preliminary 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:23.509 plot to a great extent but in this instance we are 00:03:23.509 --> 00:03:25.000 identifying the phasing 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:28.360 program. We are also identifying and making sure we vetted 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:28.879 with our 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:32.090 engineering team you know are the access points for 00:03:32.090 --> 00:03:33.680 instance accurate does that 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:37.169 work? A component of it is you know we have all those 00:03:37.169 --> 00:03:38.960 phases reflective. What is 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:42.080 the connectivity to existing phase versus future phases? So 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:43.879 in concept the 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:47.020 development itself is being addressed. The plotting 00:03:47.020 --> 00:03:48.159 component obviously is a 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:50.879 different extension of development as you move forward but 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:51.520 if I'm not mistaken 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:57.259 that's where the intent of the GDP comes in. Yes so the GDP 00:03:57.259 --> 00:03:59.159 is a conceptual land 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:03.759 use plan. Some really high-level engineering just to make 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:04.360 sure that the 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:08.000 lots can be adequately served if we do move forward to the 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.039 final plat. The 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:14.120 reason why it's required is that well in this instance is 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:16.319 that the property was 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:20.990 under one ownership it was a large tract over 20 acres and 00:04:20.990 --> 00:04:22.439 they were proposing to 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:26.230 plat it or final plat it in phases and so there was an 00:04:26.230 --> 00:04:28.079 original GDP that expired 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:32.199 I guess it was approved in 2011 and expired two years after 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:33.439 that and so in 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:36.389 order for them to move forward with the prelim they need to 00:04:36.389 --> 00:04:37.439 come back in they 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:41.920 needed to come back and restart the GDP or follow new GDP 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:43.480 so that they can go to 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:49.399 prelim and final. Did that answer your question? Okay. 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:51.040 Another question. What size 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:55.879 are these lots? Most of these are about 80 well the minimum 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:57.759 required is 80 foot 00:04:57.759 --> 00:05:01.250 of frontage on the right-of-way but when I measured most of 00:05:01.250 --> 00:05:02.079 them are about a 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:07.509 hundred a little bit over that. At least the ones along 00:05:07.509 --> 00:05:10.439 fairway the ones in this 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:16.519 bottom left hand corner. Correct. Well look I'm familiar 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:17.680 with this development I 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:20.189 believe it's pretty much kind of a state homes it looks 00:05:20.189 --> 00:05:21.399 like they're all in R2 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:25.050 which we don't see hardly ever in the city. It's very rare. 00:05:25.050 --> 00:05:26.160 It looks to me like 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:30.060 the lots there in phase four are probably at least an acre 00:05:30.060 --> 00:05:30.800 in size in 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:35.620 comparison to what is in phase one. Right. And so you know 00:05:35.620 --> 00:05:37.480 it's nice to see finally 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:41.939 a subdivision in my opinion that comes to us it's not an NR 00:05:41.939 --> 00:05:43.680 4 or NR6. It's just 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:48.540 stacked on top but there's actually large lots and it's a 00:05:48.540 --> 00:05:49.800 nice area out by 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.759 the Country Club and I've got great water features at the 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:53.720 entrance way and 00:05:53.720 --> 00:06:00.439 so you know I think it's a great looking subdivision and I 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:01.800 think it will be well 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:04.699 received by people looking for those types of lots because 00:06:04.699 --> 00:06:05.600 there are hardly 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:09.060 any of them left in the city of Denton. Yes it does help us 00:06:09.060 --> 00:06:09.519 to have more 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:14.709 diversity in terms of housing stuff. Correct. Commissioner 00:06:14.709 --> 00:06:16.920 Briegel. I've just got a 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:20.720 question about phase 1B. What can you just explain why that 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:22.040 I mean I don't see 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:25.920 any this section. No phase 1B at the top there. What I'm 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:26.720 just kind of curious why 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:31.199 it's labeled right at the top. It doesn't look like there's 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:32.000 gonna be any houses or 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.649 anything there so I was just kind of curious. I'm not quite 00:06:34.649 --> 00:06:35.879 sure but the applicant is 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:40.399 here if he wants do you want to come answer that question? 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:52.160 Good evening. Lee Allison with Allison Engineering Group. I 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:53.199 'd have to look at an 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:55.819 area but my understanding there is a house up there on the 00:06:55.819 --> 00:06:56.839 1B that's already 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.300 been set up and done and because of the ESAs and floodplain 00:07:00.300 --> 00:07:01.079 not anything that 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:04.860 really additional can be done there so that's set up to go 00:07:04.860 --> 00:07:06.160 with and these are 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:09.620 the larger lots and right now the houses out here tending 00:07:09.620 --> 00:07:11.240 to go for $500,000 and 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:15.089 up. They do have water entry features at the front and in 00:07:15.089 --> 00:07:16.040 the back where the 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:19.350 detention pond is they've made that a staged detention pond 00:07:19.350 --> 00:07:20.279 with fountains and 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.319 a continuous water feature so they've done quite a bit to 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:24.519 try and enhance it 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:27.420 and then they got the country club golf course obviously 00:07:27.420 --> 00:07:29.040 next door that I 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.850 cannot tell you how many of them are or are not members of 00:07:31.850 --> 00:07:33.120 the country club but 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:35.930 but there's quite a bit in the area. I'll be glad to 00:07:35.930 --> 00:07:37.519 address any other questions 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:40.589 you might have while I'm up here. No I was just curious 00:07:40.589 --> 00:07:41.399 because it just seems so 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:46.740 much like so that's a seven and a half acre lot up there. 7 00:07:46.740 --> 00:07:49.240 .53 but it's so 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:53.759 awkward and ill-shaped I don't think anything different is 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:54.519 gonna happen with 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:56.790 it. No I'm certainly not critiquing I was just kind of 00:07:56.790 --> 00:07:58.639 curious about. Oh yeah I 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:03.509 don't blame you it's a hangnail on the property so to speak 00:08:03.509 --> 00:08:03.680 . 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:13.279 That's not a good way to put it. Any other questions on 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:14.240 this particular 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:29.439 item? Thank you very much. Our next item is a zoning change 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:30.319 request I'm gonna ask 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:34.759 Julie Wyatt to make that presentation for us. 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:49.000 Hi there Julie Wyatt. All right I'm presenting Z 16 3 to 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:49.840 you Bell Avenue 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:54.470 duplex. The request before you is to consider a rezoning 00:08:54.470 --> 00:08:56.919 from NR 3 to NR 6 on 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:00.279 approximately 0.6 acres. The applicant would like to 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:02.080 develop the property with 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:07.870 two duplexes which would be four total units. The location 00:09:07.870 --> 00:09:08.879 of the property it's 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:15.399 at Windsor and Bell on the corner here. A little bit of 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:17.700 history this area was 00:09:17.700 --> 00:09:21.159 originally a planned development it was PD 72. It was a 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:23.440 mixed-use development it 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:27.279 originally had the the low density single-family uses on 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:28.200 the north side. 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:32.450 There was an open space running kind of bisecting the 00:09:32.450 --> 00:09:34.639 development. To the south 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:39.059 there were garden homes which were town homes and then four 00:09:39.059 --> 00:09:40.519 plexes and duplexes. 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:44.110 Also multifamily was proposed with that concept plan and 00:09:44.110 --> 00:09:45.919 neighborhood services. 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:50.940 As that PD developed the single-family uses developed to 00:09:50.940 --> 00:09:52.679 the north as as planned 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:57.159 as well as the open space. The neighborhood services area I 00:09:57.159 --> 00:09:57.879 believe 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:03.360 became a food line and is now the North Branch Library and 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:03.720 the 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:08.139 multifamily the garden style apartments were were developed 00:10:08.139 --> 00:10:10.399 . This area that was 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:14.679 originally proposed for the duplex four plex some duplexes 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:16.000 were were developed 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:19.460 as well as there's some townhome type type development on 00:10:19.460 --> 00:10:20.559 East Windsor. 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:25.370 However this spine of North Bell and the streets that rad 00:10:25.370 --> 00:10:27.000 iate off of that was 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:30.360 actually changed to single-family uses more low density 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:31.399 single-family uses 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:34.860 during the development of this PD and and then they were 00:10:34.860 --> 00:10:36.159 originally and then 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:39.299 they were eventually developed as single-family uses. The 00:10:39.299 --> 00:10:40.320 subject property 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:44.820 is right here on the corner. Currently the zoning it was 00:10:44.820 --> 00:10:46.360 rezoned out of the PD 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.309 well it was it was during the during the evolution of the 00:10:49.309 --> 00:10:50.080 PD there were 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:53.740 rezoning's that happened but but eventually the PD was gone 00:10:53.740 --> 00:10:54.320 as of the 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:59.779 2002 citywide rezoning and an NR3 zoning designation was 00:10:59.779 --> 00:11:00.480 was given to the 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:06.509 property and as you can see that NR3 does follow that 00:11:06.509 --> 00:11:07.559 single-family that 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:10.330 portion that was developed with that low density single- 00:11:10.330 --> 00:11:12.320 family. The applicant is 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:19.320 proposing an NR6 zoning designation for right here. Staff 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:20.039 looked at the future 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:24.750 land use it does have a low density residential future land 00:11:24.750 --> 00:11:25.840 use the proposed 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:31.039 NR6 does not meet the intent of the low density future land 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:32.919 use. Low density 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:36.279 residential when you think about it think about the typical 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:37.039 suburban type 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:40.230 development sometimes the curvilinear streets or that low 00:11:40.230 --> 00:11:41.759 density type the 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.490 one to two story houses front yard backyard with the 00:11:45.490 --> 00:11:46.679 driveway that that's 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:50.139 the type of development that low density residential. Also 00:11:50.139 --> 00:11:51.480 some cluster homes but 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:55.190 that's typically what you would think about. Dwelling units 00:11:55.190 --> 00:11:55.840 one to four 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:59.200 dwelling units per acre and any new development should 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:00.039 respond to the 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:05.000 existing development pattern in the character. NR6 is 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:05.879 typically associated 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:10.100 with the moderate density future land use designation and 00:12:10.100 --> 00:12:11.639 we I'm showing you a 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:14.129 future land use map that's somewhat zoomed out because I 00:12:14.129 --> 00:12:15.039 wanted you to take 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:17.799 a look at where the low density residential is and then 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:18.360 where the 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.190 moderate densities to show you what the intent of those 00:12:21.190 --> 00:12:22.440 types of future land use 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:25.690 designations are. Moderate density is meant for for 00:12:25.690 --> 00:12:27.200 dwelling units up to 12 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.159 dwelling units per acre and it's supposed to be kind of 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:31.080 transitional the 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:35.720 additional mix of residential uses and it's it's typically 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:37.080 closer to our our 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:40.389 mixed use future land use designation so you can see it's 00:12:40.389 --> 00:12:42.159 here near the near the 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:45.649 neighborhood mixed use future land use but adjacent to the 00:12:45.649 --> 00:12:46.440 low density 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:51.559 residential so sort of a transitional area. So when it when 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:52.919 a rezoning request 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:56.279 doesn't meet the future land use designation staff has some 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:56.960 additional 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:00.860 criteria for approval that we look at that criteria for 00:13:00.860 --> 00:13:02.559 approval goes a deeper 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:06.019 dive into the request and looks at the character of the 00:13:06.019 --> 00:13:07.399 area with the land use 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:14.200 pattern is and and and the analysis with that so we looked 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:15.600 at the at the the 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:18.529 request not only from a high level to see you know what the 00:13:18.529 --> 00:13:19.480 adjacent zoning 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:22.059 districts were what the adjacent uses were but we also 00:13:22.059 --> 00:13:23.159 wanted to dive down at 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:27.320 the block level as well. When we did that on this we we saw 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:28.399 that yes there are a 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:32.750 mix of uses and in the area you've got you've got duplexes 00:13:32.750 --> 00:13:33.639 you've got 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.740 fourplexes and you have single-family homes and they're 00:13:37.740 --> 00:13:38.759 there they're in this 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:42.740 area so here's the duplex here's the fourplexes in these 00:13:42.740 --> 00:13:45.519 areas but what you 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:49.470 do have when you have that mix of densities and those those 00:13:49.470 --> 00:13:50.279 different 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:55.070 residential uses you also have these physical mechanisms 00:13:55.070 --> 00:13:55.759 that create a 00:13:55.759 --> 00:14:00.950 separation between those uses and the single-family area so 00:14:00.950 --> 00:14:02.559 for instance the 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:06.139 fourplexes south of Windsor you've got an arterial here you 00:14:06.139 --> 00:14:08.039 've got you have an 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:11.879 alley separating these duplexes from the single-family 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:12.799 homes in this 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:16.259 neighborhood in this instance you've got a mature line of 00:14:16.259 --> 00:14:17.919 trees that provide 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:22.220 some physical barriers between the single-family uses and 00:14:22.220 --> 00:14:22.720 those those 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:26.230 fourplexes so we looked at that so there is a mix of uses 00:14:26.230 --> 00:14:27.440 but there was there is 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:34.879 that separation created by those physical barriers. We also 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:35.440 looked at 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:38.899 where the property is situated particularly in a single- 00:14:38.899 --> 00:14:39.279 family 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:42.580 neighborhood but it is the gateway this neighborhood has 00:14:42.580 --> 00:14:43.799 two entrances right 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.440 here on North Locust and then here at North you know at 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:47.879 North Bell and Windsor 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:51.059 and this really is a gateway to this single-family 00:14:51.059 --> 00:14:52.720 neighborhood and this is 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:57.070 established as an NR3 it's got about a 3.9 dwelling units 00:14:57.070 --> 00:14:58.360 per acre so it meets 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:03.750 that that you know close to that NR3 zoning designation and 00:15:03.750 --> 00:15:04.960 at the block 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:11.440 level this continuing the NR3 zoning designation makes 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:12.120 sense because it's 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:16.539 consistent with with what's there by introducing NR6 in 00:15:16.539 --> 00:15:18.360 this area and we we 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.820 see that there's adjacent NR6 so we see that when you zoom 00:15:21.820 --> 00:15:22.840 up you know there is 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:27.330 that mix of zoning uses or zoning districts but when you 00:15:27.330 --> 00:15:28.980 enter when you 00:15:28.980 --> 00:15:33.769 introduce NR6 here at the block level what it would do is 00:15:33.769 --> 00:15:34.840 it could potentially 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:40.419 compromise the existing development pattern it could it 00:15:40.419 --> 00:15:43.320 could change it and 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.830 and create a new land use pattern that is not existing and 00:15:46.830 --> 00:15:47.879 we want to make sure 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:51.840 that we protect those those existing neighborhoods. 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:53.279 Commissioner Beck. 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:57.240 Chair Julie based on what you just said that you're 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:58.159 concerned that it would 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:03.720 alter the character for the new what's that based on I mean 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:05.440 I can honestly see 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:09.440 the concern and I'm opposed to you know patch one zoning 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:10.299 and everything like that 00:16:10.299 --> 00:16:15.100 but this one this one is kind of unique here so what did 00:16:15.100 --> 00:16:16.240 you say to potentially 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:18.529 alter the existing land use pattern with an LL density 00:16:18.529 --> 00:16:19.759 single-family so what are you 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:22.429 basing that on? Well we're basing it on the potential dens 00:16:22.429 --> 00:16:23.960 ities within an NR6 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:29.470 and also additional residential uses so NR3 permits single- 00:16:29.470 --> 00:16:30.480 family homes it also 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:34.289 it doesn't permit duplexes it permits town homes within SUP 00:16:34.289 --> 00:16:35.360 so you can take a 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:38.600 closer look at what that use is and see if it meets within 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:39.679 the scale and within 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:44.110 the character of the neighborhood. By bringing in NR6 at 00:16:44.110 --> 00:16:45.480 the block level and 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:49.240 and directly adjacent to single-family homes that are 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:51.960 developed with an NR3 in 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:56.799 an NR3 pattern that low density residential it could it 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:57.480 could shrink 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:01.120 the lot size it just create a new development pattern away 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:01.799 from that 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:05.160 large larger lot the lower density to a smaller density at 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:06.440 the block level. So 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:10.539 you're saying that it would serve as an emphasis to for 00:17:10.539 --> 00:17:13.359 other property owners to 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:17.640 change the status of their lot too? I don't know if it 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:19.019 would necessarily spur 00:17:19.019 --> 00:17:23.250 redevelopment in order to I mean it always could but I'm 00:17:23.250 --> 00:17:24.519 not sure if that 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:29.250 was necessarily the the fear of staff and let me show you I 00:17:29.250 --> 00:17:30.680 was talking to 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:33.180 Commissioner Taylor at Google Earth's pictures are better 00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:35.119 than mine so look at 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:38.799 those are mine those are terrible this this I think 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:40.920 illustrates so this is this 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:46.650 is take this was taken by Google on Windsor facing North 00:17:46.650 --> 00:17:47.880 Bell and as you can 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.980 see this this is the property in question and it really is 00:17:50.980 --> 00:17:51.759 when you look 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:54.690 down this street you can see it is developed in a low 00:17:54.690 --> 00:17:56.000 density single-family 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:00.839 pattern and by introducing additional uses and and zoning 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:01.740 districts it could 00:18:01.740 --> 00:18:05.200 potentially alter that particularly at a at a critical 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:06.039 point in neighborhood 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:08.269 which is you know the gateway that entrance into the 00:18:08.269 --> 00:18:09.559 neighborhood. But we're 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.369 talking about such a small area there and the houses are 00:18:12.369 --> 00:18:13.359 designed in a way that 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:17.279 tend to blend in I mean if it was scattered, helter-skelter 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:18.160 I'd see that 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:21.890 but it's right at the corner where there's a mix of those 00:18:21.890 --> 00:18:23.440 uses anyway so. It 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:26.170 is and that's why we looked at those physical barriers 00:18:26.170 --> 00:18:27.160 because we really 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:31.170 wanted to see how those uses played together and and 00:18:31.170 --> 00:18:32.559 because of those 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:35.299 physical barriers staff like felt it was most appropriate 00:18:35.299 --> 00:18:36.559 to keep it with the NR3 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:40.339 to keep that consistent development pattern through that 00:18:40.339 --> 00:18:41.160 block level 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:45.099 development. And if I can interject with just a second when 00:18:45.099 --> 00:18:46.559 Julie's talking about 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:49.329 changing what you're altering and what you could 00:18:49.329 --> 00:18:51.200 potentially impact by altering 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.839 the zoning classification is the integrity of that already 00:18:54.839 --> 00:18:55.480 established 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:58.490 single-family low density residential neighborhood so that 00:18:58.490 --> 00:18:59.359 played a factor 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:11.650 into our analysis as well. So here are my pictures. I got 00:19:11.650 --> 00:19:12.480 really good pictures of 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:17.119 the street. So here's the property across the street the 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:18.119 one next door came 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:21.309 out even worse than this one. This is actually across Winds 00:19:21.309 --> 00:19:22.160 or so this is one 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:24.619 of the four plexes that's across Windsor and then this is 00:19:24.619 --> 00:19:25.519 looking down the 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:28.829 street. And once again here's Google's much better picture 00:19:28.829 --> 00:19:30.400 showing just how the 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:34.990 continuation of that line of development through the street 00:19:34.990 --> 00:19:37.279 . Staff did do a public 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:43.119 notification. There are two letters in response to to the 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:45.240 notification. They are 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.579 not within the 200 foot but I did want to provide them to 00:19:48.579 --> 00:19:50.440 you. We didn't receive 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:54.269 any letters back other than those. So based upon the 00:19:54.269 --> 00:19:56.480 considerations presented 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:59.400 in the criteria for approval in subchapter 3 of the Dent 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:00.160 Development 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:02.970 Code, staff recommends denial of this request and I'll 00:20:02.970 --> 00:20:05.880 stand for any questions. 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:10.079 Commissioner Bruegel. Thank you Chair. I'm going to work 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:12.160 backwards. I've got a few questions that I 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:15.410 want to piggyback off of what Commissioner Beck was asking. 00:20:15.410 --> 00:20:19.359 So as I 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:23.480 understand it, town homes are allowed with an SUP but du 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:25.640 plexes are not. Correct. 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:29.319 How many units is the applicant proposing to build with 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:31.200 this? Oh I'm so 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:35.559 sorry it's a zoning case. Okay well then I did have a 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:38.200 question about 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:43.680 so attached single-family dwellings and accessory dwelling 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:44.279 units are 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:48.279 allowed. Attached single-family dwellings to town homes. 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:49.240 Okay and then 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:52.099 when you have your picture of the fourplex, I guess what's 00:20:52.099 --> 00:20:52.960 the difference 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:57.809 between a duplex and a townhome? What's the difference 00:20:57.809 --> 00:20:58.279 between a fourplex and a townhome? 00:20:58.279 --> 00:21:01.599 A duplex would be two dwelling units that share a common 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:03.859 wall. A townhome would be 00:21:03.859 --> 00:21:07.500 you can have up to eight dwelling units. Town homes are on 00:21:07.500 --> 00:21:08.640 each individual 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:12.150 platted lot so each individual townhome would be owned fee 00:21:12.150 --> 00:21:14.200 simple on its own lot. 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:19.410 A duplex you can have two sides on one lot. If you put a 00:21:19.410 --> 00:21:21.000 townhome style 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:24.190 development on one lot and it was more than three units 00:21:24.190 --> 00:21:25.039 that would be 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:31.119 multifamily. Did I explain that? Okay. Do you want me to 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:34.759 say it one more time? Okay so 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:39.480 town homes, to be considered a townhome, you can have eight 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:39.960 attached 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:43.160 dwelling units but each one has to be on its own platted 00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:44.640 lot and so they're often 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:49.359 very narrow skinny lots. So I'm thinking of like are those 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:50.240 town homes then that 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:53.799 are just north of North Branch Library? So you're like out 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:54.680 of town there like on 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:57.130 the left-hand side those would be town homes. They are and 00:21:57.130 --> 00:21:59.160 if you'll we can skip 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:01.599 back if you can see here you see the lot lines and all it 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:02.440 looks like little 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:07.160 little teeth. Yes those are each on their own platted lot 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:08.880 so you could buy one 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:13.960 unit. Those are town homes. Okay and then going thank you 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:14.759 for explaining that. Sure. 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:18.059 What about accessory dwelling units? Could that be like 00:22:18.059 --> 00:22:19.200 tiny houses perhaps? 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:23.920 It well we have the limitation one, limitation one 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:25.920 addresses accessory 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:29.170 dwelling units and I believe most of the zoning districts. 00:22:29.170 --> 00:22:31.920 It could be it there 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:34.710 are you can't go over the lot coverage it needs to be in 00:22:34.710 --> 00:22:36.400 the back of the of the 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:39.269 primary structure. I believe you have to have a minimum 00:22:39.269 --> 00:22:41.000 square feet of 500 but it 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:45.309 can't go over half of the primary structure. So there's 00:22:45.309 --> 00:22:46.119 some there's some 00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:50.849 parameters but yes it would be it could be. It would be a 00:22:50.849 --> 00:22:51.839 tiny house but it would 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:55.720 be kind of on the same lot as a main. I think it's more of 00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:57.200 it like a granny flat. 00:22:57.200 --> 00:23:00.920 Right. You would yeah. Okay okay regarding physical 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.039 barriers because I see that 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:08.819 that Google picture was really helpful to see the tree. 00:23:08.819 --> 00:23:10.079 Those trees right there 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:13.069 that's very helpful but I also see like you know there's 00:23:13.069 --> 00:23:13.640 like fence there's 00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:17.200 other barriers or streets and there's fences. So what other 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:18.000 what mechanisms 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.789 mechanisms are in place for buffering between different 00:23:20.789 --> 00:23:21.880 neighborhood zones? 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:26.000 What would we have in place to protect NR3 from NR6 from 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:26.519 encroaching on 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:29.880 NR3? They would have to meet any buffering requirements and 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:30.279 we buffer 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:34.599 based upon use. Let me get my code. 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:56.000 Okay so single-family residential against all other 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:58.920 residential would be a type B 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:02.599 buffer which is a 10-foot planted strip which requires five 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:03.480 evergreen and 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:07.359 deciduous trees and 30 shrubs. So there would be a buffer 00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:08.599 required in between 00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:10.829 between the uses. But it would take a few years for those 00:24:10.829 --> 00:24:11.720 trees to grow up big 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:14.660 enough to to really provide the privacy. But they're okay 00:24:14.660 --> 00:24:15.119 so there's a buffer. 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:18.579 Okay and then my last question is about the future land use 00:24:18.579 --> 00:24:19.480 map. Can you go back 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:24.609 to that slide please? Okay so I understand that the future 00:24:24.609 --> 00:24:25.279 land use map 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:29.170 has for most for that entire area basically low density but 00:24:29.170 --> 00:24:29.759 there's 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.750 already high density that exists in great quantities in 00:24:32.750 --> 00:24:34.839 this neighborhood. So 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:37.069 how is the city planning on kind of balancing that as we 00:24:37.069 --> 00:24:37.759 move towards the 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.640 future with the 2030 comp plan when we already have dense 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:43.039 neighborhoods but the 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:49.069 intention is for low density and we also encourage high 00:24:49.069 --> 00:24:51.920 density in our 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:58.240 comprehensive plan. We want more especially in the inner 00:24:58.240 --> 00:24:58.400 part 00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:01.230 of the city which I guess I would kind of consider this you 00:25:01.230 --> 00:25:01.640 know kind of 00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:05.099 central Denton. How do we balance that? I'll take a stab at 00:25:05.099 --> 00:25:05.400 this and 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:09.089 Manal may want to jump in. When we look at a future land 00:25:09.089 --> 00:25:10.359 use designation it's 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:15.349 it's in even higher level than would be zoning. And so 00:25:15.349 --> 00:25:17.200 although there may be 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:23.519 uses that don't quite fit within that designation within it 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:27.039 , it as a whole would 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:30.630 would meet in that and that is our aspiration for that area 00:25:30.630 --> 00:25:31.880 . So you know I 00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:35.440 don't know if there would be if we would want to change the 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:36.839 future land use to 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:41.839 to meet necessarily what's on the ground but it's it's it's 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:42.640 not on a parcel by 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:47.240 parcel but layer basis it's it's a much higher level and so 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:48.240 that's that's why 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:51.390 what's on the ground doesn't necessarily always mesh quite 00:25:51.390 --> 00:25:52.839 with what's what's on 00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:55.950 the future land use. And it does have an aspirational 00:25:55.950 --> 00:25:57.599 quality as well you know how 00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:00.339 how do we want to see it develop in the future so and I don 00:26:00.339 --> 00:26:01.559 't know if Manal wants 00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:08.799 to add to that or. It's accurate. Okay. All right thank you 00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:12.359 . Commissioner Beck. I'm really torn here 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:16.569 between on this one I mean I understand wanting to sustain 00:26:16.569 --> 00:26:18.880 the single family the 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:24.079 NR3 again as opposed to doing this little patchwork changes 00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:25.480 here but in 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:29.220 this particular case because of its particular location I 00:26:29.220 --> 00:26:30.519 just don't see it 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:36.039 being all that diabolical and offsetting anything. There 00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:37.640 was the letters went out 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:40.519 and again we didn't get much feedback and there's my 00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:41.839 concern again then that 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.150 the people who live in the house get the letters. And the 00:26:45.150 --> 00:26:45.920 applicant did have a 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:51.930 neighborhood meeting and I believe they had one couple come 00:26:51.930 --> 00:26:53.400 so it was. Well my 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:55.630 next question was going to be what was the consensus on but 00:26:55.630 --> 00:26:56.160 if there's one 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:02.809 couple never mind there but yeah again it's it's tough to 00:27:02.809 --> 00:27:03.559 on this particular 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:10.009 case if it were back on in the area the neighborhood I 00:27:10.009 --> 00:27:14.039 would see that. My the 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:17.960 thing I'm for a little bit on this one is duplexes 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:19.599 theoretically anyway are 00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:22.740 cheaper and more affordable would be considered more 00:27:22.740 --> 00:27:24.079 affordable housing again 00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:29.000 we need that and density would be a plus living right 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:30.119 across the street from 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:34.119 middle school so that's. I'm sorry I just want to direct a 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:35.839 point of order. Sure 00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:38.740 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you so we're we're in the work 00:27:38.740 --> 00:27:39.400 session we're just 00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:42.269 getting clarification we don't really want to deliberate 00:27:42.269 --> 00:27:43.680 until we get to the 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:48.279 public to be able to deliberate in front of the public so I 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:50.000 just I feel like we 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.480 might be veering toward deliberation instead of 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:54.359 clarification. Thank you for 00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:58.619 that. I just want to interject that. I thought you were 00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:01.279 going to ask a question. Well the 00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:05.069 question was I wanted to preface it with my feelings about 00:28:05.069 --> 00:28:06.799 it but then the question was what was the 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.809 consensus among the group and clearly there was no real 00:28:09.809 --> 00:28:11.279 consensus there so. And 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:15.390 the request before us is a change in zoning from to the du 00:28:15.390 --> 00:28:16.160 plexes is 00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:18.970 potentially that's what might be developed but it could 00:28:18.970 --> 00:28:19.880 develop with the 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:23.230 other uses that are permitted in an R6 so our evaluation is 00:28:23.230 --> 00:28:24.079 based on that 00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:27.329 zoning designation that land use and the associated land 00:28:27.329 --> 00:28:28.640 uses within that not 00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:31.309 just the duplexes. We are aware that the applicant has 00:28:31.309 --> 00:28:32.640 intimated that they would 00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.759 develop the site with that but we have to look at it 00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:36.759 comprehensively for the 00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:41.190 zoning designation. Okay thank you. Commissioner Taylor. 00:28:41.190 --> 00:28:42.359 Thank you Chair and I 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:44.880 didn't mean to cut you off I just want to make sure that we 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:46.160 deliberate kind of 00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:50.880 in front of the public. Mike I had a dimensional question. 00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:52.119 There's a 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:56.359 minimum lot size. This is in a larger subdivision so they 00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:57.119 there wouldn't be 00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.369 the area requirements just the minimum widths and depths is 00:29:00.369 --> 00:29:01.640 that correct? I 00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:08.140 based it on the minimum widths and depths so yes. And if if 00:29:08.140 --> 00:29:09.380 somebody were to 00:29:09.380 --> 00:29:12.250 build townhomes they still have to meet the minimum width 00:29:12.250 --> 00:29:13.160 so it would have to be 00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:16.680 like a 50 foot wide townhome. Right it would be yes it 00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:18.359 would be a rather large 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:22.789 lot to meet the minimum size. But at replatting it couldn't 00:29:22.789 --> 00:29:23.880 get narrower than 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:29.880 the minimum lot width right? Correct. Okay just making sure 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:29.880 . 00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:37.589 Commissioner Roselle. Thank you Chair. The two letters we 00:29:37.589 --> 00:29:39.119 have one gave an address 00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:46.140 do we have an address for the second person? I don't. I 00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:49.359 have a question do we 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:53.680 have any idea when these two lots were originally platted? 00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.880 The applicant does. 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.839 If you could come to them and come up and that's okay. The 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:09.319 audio can't capture 00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:12.630 you back there. You will give your name and address for us 00:30:12.630 --> 00:30:14.079 please as well. My 00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:17.930 name is Yolanda Voral and I reside at 2201 Geneva Circle. I 00:30:17.930 --> 00:30:19.119 did a little bit of 00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:22.579 research on this area and the subdivision went in in the 00:30:22.579 --> 00:30:24.279 mid 80s. The 00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:26.759 houses the phase that we're looking at the houses across 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:27.720 the street and to the 00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:33.000 north of us were built in 94 and 95. This lot's been vacant 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:33.759 the entire time. 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:43.880 At least 20-25 years soon okay. Thank you very much. I want 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:45.440 to piggyback also kind 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:50.920 of what Amber brought up. If you could go to what the 00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.759 future zoning is and then go 00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:56.940 back one like you had it what the current is our future 00:30:56.940 --> 00:30:58.079 zoning map shows 00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:02.099 basically the area that's already NRME 12 the NRM 6 all 00:31:02.099 --> 00:31:03.599 those areas to be 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:08.029 low density. So I understand your concern and and an 00:31:08.029 --> 00:31:10.200 apology for looking to the 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:13.140 2030 plan of what we would like it to be but also think we 00:31:13.140 --> 00:31:14.519 've got to balance it 00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.799 to what's already there existing and with all these already 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:20.460 existing zonings 00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:24.490 here in an area that already as we're looking future there 00:31:24.490 --> 00:31:25.480 's already things 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.289 that aren't quote-unquote conforming or compatible or 00:31:28.289 --> 00:31:29.819 whatever term is the right 00:31:29.819 --> 00:31:33.619 planning term to put on it. So you know I think that's 00:31:33.619 --> 00:31:35.839 something also for us to 00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:40.920 consider is not only because we deal with this a lot as to 00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.420 what the comp plan 00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:46.289 shows it to be but in reality there's some other things 00:31:46.289 --> 00:31:47.759 around it that that 00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:50.259 may not be conforming to what the comp plan shows and I 00:31:50.259 --> 00:31:51.319 think this is a prime 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.289 example of one of those instances where we have a lot of 00:31:54.289 --> 00:31:55.640 higher density things 00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:59.440 already existing there as well. So thank you for my 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:01.440 questions anybody else have 00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:05.039 any questions on this particular item? 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:17.079 Thank you. With that I'm going to close our work session at 00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:19.160 6 o 8 and we will 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:23.839 reconvene in council chambers at 6 30. 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:30.210 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Planning and 00:32:30.210 --> 00:32:32.319 Zoning Commission 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:37.049 meeting for May 11th. This meeting has been duly posted and 00:32:37.049 --> 00:32:38.240 we have a quorum 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.700 present and the time is 6 35 and I'll call our meeting to 00:32:41.700 --> 00:32:43.160 order. Our first time 00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:47.400 of business will be to stand and give the pledge the US and 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:48.559 Texas flag. 00:32:55.640 --> 00:33:00.150 I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state, under God, one 00:33:00.150 --> 00:33:01.480 indivisible. 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:25.680 It's just a point of order for our meeting tonight we do 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:28.920 not have a set of 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.069 minutes to consider so I assume that will be on our next 00:33:32.069 --> 00:33:33.079 meeting to take a 00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:40.720 look at. Our next item then will be our consent agenda. 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:43.000 Commissioner Beck. I move we approve the consent agenda. 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:49.599 Commissioner Taylor. 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:55.329 Second. Okay. We have a first and a second. Any discussion? 00:33:55.329 --> 00:33:56.960 Seeing none we'll call for a 00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:59.640 vote on the board. 00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:15.119 And that motion carries 6 to 0. The next item on our agenda 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:16.360 will be our public 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:23.019 hearings and our first item will be Z 16 - 0 0 0 3 and I'm 00:34:23.019 --> 00:34:24.599 going to open the 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.409 public hearing at this time and I will call on the 00:34:27.409 --> 00:34:29.079 applicant to present your 00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:31.679 project please. 00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:47.599 2201 Geneva Circle. Mr. Chairman, members of the board, 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.960 staff, I'm here to present 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:56.559 tonight the property at 3104 North Bell. I'm the lead 00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:57.400 designer at Tim Beatty 00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:00.369 Builders and Mr. Beatty is the owner of this property as 00:35:00.369 --> 00:35:02.360 well as the builder if 00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:05.650 we gain your support tonight. We're seeking the approval of 00:35:05.650 --> 00:35:06.440 a zoning change 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:11.230 for the two infill lots located at 3104 North Bell. The 00:35:11.230 --> 00:35:12.840 lots are in the northeast 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:17.989 corner of Windsor and Bell and described as 55 R1 and 55 R2 00:35:17.989 --> 00:35:19.960 . The property is 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:23.539 currently zoned in R3 which allows for the residential 00:35:23.539 --> 00:35:25.280 building but not for the 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:28.739 duplex that we are proposing to build. The surrounding 00:35:28.739 --> 00:35:30.119 property uses are a mix 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:34.000 of multifamily, duplex, and residential as well as a junior 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:35.239 high school and the 00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:39.079 future land use for the entire area is low residential 00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:40.000 although the current 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.800 uses have a higher percent density of multifamily and du 00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:44.760 plex than they do 00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:50.789 residential. I brought a map if I can get the overhead 00:35:50.789 --> 00:35:54.320 working. Percentages of 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:58.380 multifamily are shown in purple and duplex in blue we have 00:35:58.380 --> 00:35:59.559 46 percent 00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:06.570 multifamily and duplex and 21 percent residential in this 00:36:06.570 --> 00:36:10.320 area. To give you a 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:13.130 little history the lot the development was platted in the 00:36:13.130 --> 00:36:14.400 mid 80s the homes 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:18.940 across the street and to the north were built in 94 and 95. 00:36:18.940 --> 00:36:20.380 Mr. Beatty's lot has 00:36:20.380 --> 00:36:25.940 been vacant the entire time. In the year 2000 the two lots 00:36:25.940 --> 00:36:27.480 were replatted with a 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.840 private access easement on the north end of the interior 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:32.280 lot. I wanted to show you 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:34.519 this. 00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:47.480 The private access easement wraps from the interior lot 55 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:49.599 1R all the way 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:53.760 around with a 20-foot radius and comes down into the to the 00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.400 lot on the corner. 00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.269 This private access easement is something that you would 00:36:58.269 --> 00:36:58.800 know more 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.480 normally see in commercial or multifamily and not 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:02.239 necessarily 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:10.340 residential at least in my in my working history. It's und 00:37:10.340 --> 00:37:14.320 etermined why this 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.829 property was replatted if only residential was to be built. 00:37:17.829 --> 00:37:18.599 Neighborhood 00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:21.590 compatibility would have placed the driveway shared between 00:37:21.590 --> 00:37:22.400 two properties 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:26.989 as it is across the street at 3101 and 3105 North Bell. One 00:37:26.989 --> 00:37:28.079 might assume a 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:31.920 higher density was in the works regardless the current plat 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:32.719 layout and 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:35.550 the size of the lots which are much larger than the other 00:37:35.550 --> 00:37:36.199 lots in the 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:39.909 neighborhood and the combination easement off Windsor which 00:37:39.909 --> 00:37:40.840 is 35 feet 00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:44.190 post hardship to the owner. We studied the neighborhood and 00:37:44.190 --> 00:37:44.920 determined the best 00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:48.099 use of the infill property would be duplex and we made this 00:37:48.099 --> 00:37:49.039 decision based 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:53.610 on the surrounding uses to the east and south being multif 00:37:53.610 --> 00:37:54.880 amily and we hoped 00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:57.210 that this would be an acceptable buffer to the neighborhood 00:37:57.210 --> 00:37:59.000 . We sent mailings out 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:03.500 to 116 surrounding properties within 200 and 500 feet. We 00:38:03.500 --> 00:38:04.559 held a neighborhood 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:08.210 meeting at the North Branch Library on April 25th and one 00:38:08.210 --> 00:38:09.519 family attended. We 00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:13.000 presented the building elevations and two site plans. One 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:14.679 with the driveway as 00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:16.989 currently planted and the other with a shared driveway we 00:38:16.989 --> 00:38:17.960 thought would be more 00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:21.860 compatible with the neighborhood although it would require 00:38:21.860 --> 00:38:23.199 us to amend the plat. 00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:26.389 The attendees were in favor of the driveway being shared 00:38:26.389 --> 00:38:27.159 between the 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.519 duplex units. Overall they favored the appearance of the 00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:31.239 structures and 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:33.760 informed us they would share the information with the 00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:34.599 neighbor who was 00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:39.739 unable to attend. I wanted to show you the two site plans. 00:38:39.739 --> 00:38:43.320 The first shows the 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:46.219 way the property is currently platted. This would be the 00:38:46.219 --> 00:38:47.119 neighbor directly to 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:50.960 North and this would be the entrance to both lots and this 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:52.280 is why they were 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:57.150 opposed to that. They favored the second site plan. I did 00:38:57.150 --> 00:38:59.039 get a phone call from the 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:06.280 second neighbor last week and she also favored the driveway 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:07.079 being between the 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:13.519 two structures. I answered the question. She called me on 00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:14.440 the phone. We talked and 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:16.840 answered all of her questions pertaining to the size and 00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:18.519 finish of the units. Mr. 00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:23.219 Beatty received one other telephone call in favor of the 00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:23.960 project. 00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:33.460 The structures are designed to meet the DDC requirements 00:39:33.460 --> 00:39:36.840 for lock coverage, height, 00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:40.199 architectural element, and landscape if the zoning changes 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:41.440 approved tonight. The 00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:44.449 duplex units will appear as single-family residences and 00:39:44.449 --> 00:39:45.639 are compatible with the 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.099 existing neighborhood. The parking will be screened from 00:39:49.099 --> 00:39:50.239 Bell and Windsor. The 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.949 East property line will be fenced to help buffer from the 00:39:52.949 --> 00:39:54.000 multifamily to the 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.510 east and we will construct the missing sidewalk on Windsor 00:39:57.510 --> 00:39:58.719 and rebuild the ADA 00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:04.280 ramp as required as well as add street trees. The proposed 00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:05.440 project has adequate 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:08.900 utilities, neighborhood amenities, public transportation, 00:40:08.900 --> 00:40:10.239 schools, and the library. 00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:13.199 Each infill lot will have adequate open space for its 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:14.639 tenants and the target 00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.699 tenants are families with long-term leases. Although we 00:40:17.699 --> 00:40:18.960 worked closely with 00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:21.829 staff to plead our case, we were unable to gain their 00:40:21.829 --> 00:40:23.840 support. We're here to 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:26.900 offer a well-designed project that we feel will buffer the 00:40:26.900 --> 00:40:28.800 existing homes from 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.539 multifamily and be compatible with the neighborhood. We 00:40:31.539 --> 00:40:32.880 hope to offer quality, 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.840 affordable housing in this neighborhood. We're willing to 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:36.960 continue to work with 00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.630 staff and we would like to amend the plat to be more 00:40:39.630 --> 00:40:40.800 compatible with the 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:44.260 neighborhood and to meet the wishes of the adjoining two 00:40:44.260 --> 00:40:45.599 neighbors who took the 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.599 time to meet with us and discuss this project prior to 00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:51.400 tonight. If necessary, 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:55.320 we're willing to submit an alternative development plan and 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:56.400 we can create an 00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.329 overlay that will only allow single-family or duplex 00:40:59.329 --> 00:41:00.239 buildings to be 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:03.750 constructed on these two infill lots. We hope to gain your 00:41:03.750 --> 00:41:05.219 support for this infill 00:41:05.219 --> 00:41:07.960 project and we're here to answer any questions that you may 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:09.360 have. I have some 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:12.559 questions. Commissioner back. Thank you Chair. Thanks, Jel 00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:14.760 ona, for your presentation 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:18.679 here in those houses. Those duplexes look very much like 00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:20.719 houses. Was there some 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:25.559 kind of buffer on the north side? If we're allowed to move 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:26.840 the driveway in 00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:30.650 between the two property lines, we have it designed right 00:41:30.650 --> 00:41:32.119 now to provide ten feet 00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:36.090 of buffering which would meet the requirement, but I have 00:41:36.090 --> 00:41:36.599 about, you know, a 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.409 few more feet. I could probably get 15 in there if it would 00:41:39.409 --> 00:41:40.480 help and that's why we 00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:42.980 were here to talk about or we're willing to work through an 00:41:42.980 --> 00:41:44.039 amended plat to offer 00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:49.510 more. Okay. Why not stay with the NR3? Why not build single 00:41:49.510 --> 00:41:51.239 -family homes? The lots, 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:57.119 these two lots are 12,700 and 12,400 feet, substantially 00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:58.159 larger, and the lots 00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:02.360 across the street are 8,500 and 7,600. It's just a lot of 00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:07.239 property. Okay, thank 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:14.190 you. Any other questions for the applicant? Commissioner 00:42:14.190 --> 00:42:16.480 Rosell. Out of 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:19.119 curiosity, the percentages don't add up to a hundred. Is 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:21.119 the other missing, is that 00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.929 roads or can you explain the missing percentages? The 00:42:23.929 --> 00:42:24.980 missing percentage 00:42:24.980 --> 00:42:28.230 would be the school and probably our property itself and we 00:42:28.230 --> 00:42:29.039 didn't include 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:42.349 the roads, you're correct. Thank you. Commissioner Hesbeth. 00:42:42.349 --> 00:42:43.719 So some of the 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:48.199 concerns are traffic. Can you speak to that, to traffic 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:50.719 currently? So some of 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.519 the concerns we receive say Windsor Bell too busy, what are 00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:56.039 your thoughts or what 00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:59.769 are, just share your thoughts on the issue being raised 00:42:59.769 --> 00:43:02.000 about traffic. Well 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:06.150 the two lots, if they were developed with housing, we don't 00:43:06.150 --> 00:43:07.320 feel like it would be 00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:10.780 that much more traffic than the area already has. I think 00:43:10.780 --> 00:43:11.800 there are a lot of 00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:14.630 concerns for the multifamily that's in the area, which is 00:43:14.630 --> 00:43:15.519 one of the reasons 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:19.510 that we opted to go with duplex for a lower density to be a 00:43:19.510 --> 00:43:20.679 buffer rather than 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:25.840 to add additional. I think the original, when we purchased 00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:26.960 the property it was 00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:30.750 thought, the thought pattern was to do two fourplexes which 00:43:30.750 --> 00:43:32.159 would have been eight 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:36.219 units and 16 bedrooms and you know higher density. We're 00:43:36.219 --> 00:43:37.039 looking for 00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.760 families who may or may not have multiple cars. I don't 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:41.840 really feel the 00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:49.329 impact would be that substantial. Commissioner Beck. Thank 00:43:49.329 --> 00:43:51.079 you Chair. So you 00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:57.909 talked to two people total? Three, two families. Two 00:43:57.909 --> 00:43:59.320 families. The property 00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:03.260 directly to the north and then the second to the north. The 00:44:03.260 --> 00:44:04.320 second to nobody 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:10.360 across the street. Nobody across the street responded. And 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:11.119 there are 00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:13.880 consensus with them was that they weren't opposed to 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.039 provided you put the 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:19.199 driveway in the middle. That's correct. The person who 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:20.239 attended the meeting was 00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:23.969 the second house to the north. She said they were queued as 00:44:23.969 --> 00:44:25.280 a button but she was 00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.460 concerned about the location of the driveway. The second 00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:30.880 was the property 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:33.260 directly to the north and she was concerned about the 00:44:33.260 --> 00:44:34.039 location of the 00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.789 driveway because her son's bedroom window is on that 00:44:36.789 --> 00:44:38.880 property line. Okay. You 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:41.989 mentioned that one of them was representing somebody else 00:44:41.989 --> 00:44:42.559 did I hear 00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:46.679 that right that they were speaking? The second neighbor was 00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:47.519 there she was 00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:50.030 hoping the first neighbor could come but they couldn't make 00:44:50.030 --> 00:44:50.800 the meeting that 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:54.960 night. And she expressed their sentiment was what for them? 00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:55.679 That is the same 00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:59.139 neighbor that contacted me by telephone. Okay and they were 00:44:59.139 --> 00:45:01.000 opposed to it or? They 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:05.039 were not in favor not opposed but they were in favor of the 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:06.000 driveway moving to 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:10.880 the middle. Okay. If we proceeded. Thank you. 00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:17.639 Any other questions for the applicant? Thank you very much. 00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:19.800 Thank you. 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:33.059 Collin Julie. All right I'll just provide a summary of the 00:45:33.059 --> 00:45:36.360 proposal. So the 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.929 request before you tonight is to consider making a 00:45:38.929 --> 00:45:40.159 recommendation to City 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:44.570 Council regarding a rezoning from NR3 to NR6. The location 00:45:44.570 --> 00:45:46.119 of the property is at 00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:51.079 Windsor and Bell on the corner there. Staff's findings were 00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:52.400 that NR6 did not 00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.539 meet the future land use designation of low density 00:45:55.539 --> 00:45:57.360 residential and that the 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:01.650 maximum density and expanded residential uses in NR6 wouldn 00:46:01.650 --> 00:46:02.320 't would not be 00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.780 complementary to the existing adjacent NR3 district and 00:46:05.780 --> 00:46:06.840 established single 00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:09.849 family neighborhood therefore staff is recommending denial 00:46:09.849 --> 00:46:11.639 of the proposal. I 00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:16.599 will stand for any questions. Commissioner Bruegel. Thank 00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:19.840 you chair. In 00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:24.630 the presentation by the applicant she showed the potential 00:46:24.630 --> 00:46:25.679 should this go 00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:28.289 forward their their proposal for what they'd like to build 00:46:28.289 --> 00:46:29.599 there. I understand 00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:33.360 that this is a rezone request but what sort of how much say 00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:35.199 does PNC have in 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.210 something like the lot layout to sort of like minimize the 00:46:38.210 --> 00:46:39.599 the visual impact on 00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:44.480 on adjacent properties. Would we get a chance to kind of 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:45.400 approve a site plan on 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:49.389 something or if we just say no site plan unless it you know 00:46:49.389 --> 00:46:50.320 it didn't meet the 00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:54.519 subchapter 13 requirements for site design. So once it gets 00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:56.320 to that point the 00:46:56.320 --> 00:47:00.099 building we would make sure that it meets all buffering 00:47:00.099 --> 00:47:01.079 requirements all 00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:05.139 access requirements all parking all screening building 00:47:05.139 --> 00:47:06.239 orientation and 00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.820 building materials so that would all be reviewed at a staff 00:47:09.820 --> 00:47:10.920 level and unless 00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:14.400 they wanted to vary from the code it wouldn't come back 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:16.719 before you. Okay thank 00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:21.559 you. Sure. Commissioner Taylor. Thank you chair. Do you 00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:24.000 have a close-in aerial of 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:27.889 the site or is that is that the best you have? That is the 00:47:27.889 --> 00:47:30.300 best I have. Okay I was 00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:36.119 trying to measure the width of the total land area and so 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.800 this is rezoning the 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.630 site there we don't have binding site plans we can't put 00:47:41.630 --> 00:47:42.320 landscape 00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:45.130 requirements we can't we can't do any any extra 00:47:45.130 --> 00:47:46.960 requirements we can just 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.480 basically rezone from what I could tell like it's either it 00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:52.639 's about 190 maybe 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:57.000 feet wide. 174. 174. Are you talking nor are you talking 00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.519 street frontage? Yeah a lot. 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:08.099 Okay good. So yeah 180. So at NR6 that would allow three 00:48:08.099 --> 00:48:09.280 lots if it was going 00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:11.780 to be replanted it could be replanted to a total of three 00:48:11.780 --> 00:48:13.159 lots. For single family. 00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:18.079 For single family. Would they could also be those could 00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:19.099 also be duplexes right 00:48:19.099 --> 00:48:22.239 three it could it would be possible to put three duplexes. 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.139 If they could fit it 00:48:24.139 --> 00:48:27.400 on there. And then if it went to townhomes it would be 00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:28.360 three 50 foot wide 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:31.820 townhomes that would not really practical. Correct. Okay so 00:48:31.820 --> 00:48:32.559 yeah I was just trying 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:37.639 to figure out you know what is what is the maximum density 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.079 at NR6 so are there 00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:42.889 any other denser uses that are missing is that is that 00:48:42.889 --> 00:48:43.599 pretty much the worst? 00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:46.510 No that's that's that's basically it it would just be those 00:48:46.510 --> 00:48:47.519 residential uses 00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:50.829 there's not multifamily or or any commercial uses so it 00:48:50.829 --> 00:48:51.599 would just be the 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:58.880 residential. Thank you. Any other questions for staff? 00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:02.360 Thank You Julie. 00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:05.840 Again this is a public hearing anyone who would like to 00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:07.119 come and speak on this 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:11.260 item please come forward at this time and give your name 00:49:11.260 --> 00:49:14.239 and address. If you 00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:17.829 haven't filled have you filled out a card? Okay please come 00:49:17.829 --> 00:49:19.480 on. Yes my name is 00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:24.710 Emily McClendon and I am the neighbor directly adjacent to 00:49:24.710 --> 00:49:26.280 this property and my 00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:30.820 husband couldn't be here tonight but when me and my husband 00:49:30.820 --> 00:49:31.559 and my young son 00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:36.139 moved here three years ago we made sure to check that this 00:49:36.139 --> 00:49:38.440 empty lot was zoned 00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:43.659 single-family resident and we were unable to attend the 00:49:43.659 --> 00:49:45.760 informational meeting that 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:49.480 they gave but I did talk to Yolanda and you know I just 00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:51.280 wanted to get some more 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:55.329 information because I really was undecided on on it at 00:49:55.329 --> 00:49:56.519 first but in the 00:49:56.519 --> 00:50:00.400 time since then I've given it a lot of thought and I have 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:01.519 to say that I am 00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:06.780 against it because I feel like our neighborhood our subdiv 00:50:06.780 --> 00:50:07.599 ision is 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:11.309 single-family homes yes we do have apartments behind us and 00:50:11.309 --> 00:50:12.679 the ones across 00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:15.559 from Windsor I mean she was saying it's like this is going 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:16.760 to be a buffer that's 00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:23.440 not even relevant for us you know across from Windsor is so 00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:24.840 far so I 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:29.230 just feel like our subdivision is single-family homes and I 00:50:29.230 --> 00:50:29.960 think to 00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:33.099 complete our our neighborhood you know we should keep it 00:50:33.099 --> 00:50:34.960 single-family and 00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:38.880 we're also concerned about what it might do to our property 00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:40.199 values in the future 00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:45.849 I mean they the duplexes look very nice but you know what's 00:50:45.849 --> 00:50:46.760 it gonna be in 10 00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:51.070 years you know and the other the other thing is is that we 00:50:51.070 --> 00:50:52.320 are us and our 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.190 neighbors right next to us and they weren't able to come 00:50:55.190 --> 00:50:56.239 tonight but we were 00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:58.909 real close to them and we are long-term invested in our in 00:50:58.909 --> 00:50:59.760 our home and our 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.219 property and I feel like if you put duplexes there you 00:51:03.219 --> 00:51:04.480 automatically take 00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:07.389 that option away that these people next to us could 00:51:07.389 --> 00:51:08.599 possibly be long-term 00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:12.829 invested into their property so that's just basically my 00:51:12.829 --> 00:51:15.440 feelings on it I guess 00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:18.960 that's it thank you questions for you excuse me 00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:23.360 Commissioner Beck thank you chair is there anybody else 00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:24.199 other than you and 00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:27.260 the neighbor you mentioned that feels similar to you we're 00:51:27.260 --> 00:51:28.320 trying to get more 00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:34.179 input here yeah I personally don't know we were very close 00:51:34.179 --> 00:51:34.719 to our neighbors 00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:38.679 right next to us but I couldn't say for the people across 00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:39.880 the street and you're 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:44.960 like you would be like the third house up from these from 00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:46.639 these duplexes is that 00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:49.739 correct no we're right next to them we're the ones right 00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:50.880 next to it yeah so 00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:53.570 like I mean if that driveway went in like it would be right 00:51:53.570 --> 00:51:54.360 up against our 00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:58.639 fence and okay that just makes me uncomfortable you know so 00:51:58.639 --> 00:51:59.760 yeah okay 00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:06.079 thank you see other questions thank you very much thank you 00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:07.400 in this little 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.119 public hearing if anyone else would like to speak please 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:13.280 come forward at this time 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:22.570 seeing none I've got two other emails one is from Weldon 00:52:22.570 --> 00:52:25.480 Church at 31 36 Lido 00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:32.550 Way and he is opposed to change in the zoning and then we 00:52:32.550 --> 00:52:33.760 have one other 00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:40.079 comment from Nona McCaleb she is opposed as well but there 00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:41.320 is not an address on 00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:44.960 here so we do not know how close they may or if they are 00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:45.800 inside the 00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:50.880 notification area those are the only public comments that 00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:53.559 we have to be read 00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:57.670 in the record at this time seeing no one else want to come 00:52:57.670 --> 00:52:58.599 speak before us I'm 00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:02.519 going to close excuse me 00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:14.239 good evening commissioners I'm Tim Beatty I reside at 2459 00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:14.960 West Blackjack 00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:19.519 Road in Arbery most of my time is spent at 421 East Hickory 00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:22.239 in Denton and I have 00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:29.199 owned this property for several years now over over 10 and 00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:30.519 very familiar with 00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:33.769 this property I was even involved with this development 00:53:33.769 --> 00:53:37.039 when it went in but the 00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:42.429 problem is with this property is a another developer owned 00:53:42.429 --> 00:53:43.679 this before I 00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:49.110 did and the way this is platted is not compatible for for a 00:53:49.110 --> 00:53:50.480 single-family home 00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:54.389 it was pointed out earlier and and I understand the 00:53:54.389 --> 00:53:58.079 neighbors concern and we 00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.849 could go build two houses right now but the driveway would 00:54:00.849 --> 00:54:01.800 run right down the 00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:09.900 side of our fence and so as you've seen this is a a high 00:54:09.900 --> 00:54:11.079 density area I 00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:14.730 understand the traffic there's a public school across the 00:54:14.730 --> 00:54:15.920 street in a public 00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:19.559 library this is a this is an arterial street that majority 00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:21.159 of this traffic I 00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.489 don't have any way of proving it but it's I'm sure more 00:54:24.489 --> 00:54:25.920 than 50% of it don't 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:29.480 even live in this this area we're talking about so the 00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:31.400 impact and traffic 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:36.800 I think is very minimal obviously you can see we're trying 00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:38.960 to build something 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:42.550 that's attractive something that would look good it's an 00:54:42.550 --> 00:54:43.639 infield lot it's been 00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:49.369 a vacant lot since the beginning and it's an opportunity to 00:54:49.369 --> 00:54:50.559 get another 00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:55.199 infield lot filled with something that's very compatible 00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:58.559 very attractive and I 00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:03.460 think it would enhance the neighborhood not not devaluate 00:55:03.460 --> 00:55:04.280 the neighborhood at 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:10.150 all so just before you vote I would just ask that you take 00:55:10.150 --> 00:55:12.599 a serious look at the 00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:21.170 area at at the densities at at these two lots they're they 00:55:21.170 --> 00:55:21.880 're they're difficult 00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:24.889 to build a single-family home and I don't think any of you 00:55:24.889 --> 00:55:25.719 would want to 00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:28.510 have a driveway that wrapped around your house for the 00:55:28.510 --> 00:55:29.840 neighbor next door and 00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:35.949 that's the way this is set up so just thought I would throw 00:55:35.949 --> 00:55:37.719 my opinion in and 00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:40.610 if you got any questions for me feel free to ask you have a 00:55:40.610 --> 00:55:41.000 question 00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:43.619 Commissioner Roselle thank you chair I just have two quick 00:55:43.619 --> 00:55:44.519 questions hopefully 00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:47.119 yes sir the first is it was there any considerations maybe 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:47.639 going through a 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:51.380 replat to make it more conducive to do single-family dwell 00:55:51.380 --> 00:55:53.000 ings on the property 00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:58.869 well we looked at it the problem is it's border I mean to 00:55:58.869 --> 00:56:01.639 downsize the lot to 00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:04.599 where there would be three lots there they're too small and 00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:06.800 you know like you 00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:10.260 on the said you know there's a buffer there on Windsor that 00:56:10.260 --> 00:56:11.239 they they took 00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:16.079 away so it it really doesn't lend itself to do that and 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:18.360 they you know you're 00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:20.849 gonna end up with an approach too close to intersection by 00:56:20.849 --> 00:56:22.840 doing that as well so 00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:27.039 it's it's just a problem it's a problem lot sure the same 00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:27.960 question I had is in 00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:31.469 work session there's a mention of a long-term lease given 00:56:31.469 --> 00:56:32.440 any idea of how 00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:36.630 long-term the lease commitments would be to the citizens 00:56:36.630 --> 00:56:38.639 fear or concern about a 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:45.639 rotational neighbor can you speak to that well you know I'm 00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:46.519 one I'm not gonna 00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:50.039 tell you you know what you want to hear you know people are 00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.280 people we we would 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:57.119 require we haven't got this far yet but our minimum is one- 00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:59.280 year commitments but 00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.389 people break leases you know sure but and I will say there 00:57:02.389 --> 00:57:04.039 's single-family 00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:08.570 rent homes across the street and there's four lease signs 00:57:08.570 --> 00:57:11.599 out right now so this 00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:14.619 area I understand there's homes and there's homesteads and 00:57:14.619 --> 00:57:15.539 there's families 00:57:15.539 --> 00:57:23.039 but it's also made up of long-term lease buildings here 00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:26.519 thank you thank you any 00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:31.920 other questions for this speaker okay thank you thank you 00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:34.400 thank you in this 00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.630 is a public hearing if there's anyone else that would like 00:57:36.630 --> 00:57:37.199 to speak on this 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:43.099 item please come forward at this time seeing none I'm going 00:57:43.099 --> 00:57:44.400 to close the 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.840 public hearing and open the floor for discussion 00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:48.840 Commissioner Taylor thank you 00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:52.909 chair I just had a quick question for staff this might be 00:57:52.909 --> 00:57:53.599 more an engineering 00:57:53.599 --> 00:58:00.170 question the site plan that was shown the possible future a 00:58:00.170 --> 00:58:00.960 possible future 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:07.400 site plan that was shown had a single central driveway was 00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:08.960 and those mentioned 00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:12.420 that maybe the drive would be too close to the arterial 00:58:12.420 --> 00:58:14.960 would that because it's 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:17.619 trying to think how to the question would that would they 00:58:17.619 --> 00:58:18.440 be able to build 00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:24.539 that driveway at the lot line there because there'd be the 00:58:24.539 --> 00:58:26.079 only way to access 00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:29.090 that lot or it would have to meet the driveway spacing 00:58:29.090 --> 00:58:29.880 requirements let me see 00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:39.570 if I can I wish Earl was here tonight the driveways to the 00:58:39.570 --> 00:58:40.559 north they do have a 00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:45.199 split driveway between so they could it could be shared you 00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:46.440 know the development 00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:49.539 pattern just to the north you'll see that these these 00:58:49.539 --> 00:58:50.519 houses do share a 00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:56.920 driveway let me see if the transportation section will tell 00:58:56.920 --> 00:58:57.519 me it 00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:02.170 may be in the criteria manual so I may hit a hit a road 00:59:02.170 --> 00:59:03.440 block here but 00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:21.429 I don't know the answer to it that would have to be 00:59:21.429 --> 00:59:23.840 something that Earl and 00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:27.000 engineering would have to look at but there's generally 00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:28.239 some flexibility if 00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:30.860 you have a lot that you cannot build a driveway to you have 00:59:30.860 --> 00:59:31.840 to provide allow 00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:38.480 access in some capacity so yeah all right thank you sure 00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:45.159 Commissioner back thank you chair as I mentioned before I 00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:46.719 am really torn between 00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:49.510 this decision because I know our African has always built a 00:59:49.510 --> 00:59:51.239 fine product and this 00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:55.110 is a unique lot it's in an area where it blends in with 00:59:55.110 --> 00:59:56.679 both single-family 00:59:56.679 --> 01:00:00.920 multifamily and I understand homeowners concerns too about 01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:01.920 how it's going to 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:05.869 affect their property so it's a tough decision here but and 01:00:05.869 --> 01:00:07.000 I think if it was 01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:11.230 anywhere else I wouldn't have any problem sustaining the nr 01:00:11.230 --> 01:00:12.880 3 and so we 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:17.269 don't have this patchwork zoning but after listening to all 01:00:17.269 --> 01:00:18.119 sides I'm under 01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:21.579 the opinion that maybe this is the exception where we do 01:00:21.579 --> 01:00:22.880 change the zoning 01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:25.690 for this particular case because otherwise this lot of 01:00:25.690 --> 01:00:26.679 probably just sit 01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:30.039 there forever and ever and provided that you know we get 01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:31.239 the quality workmanship 01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:36.090 we always have from the applicant and I would probably also 01:00:36.090 --> 01:00:37.440 add that they do 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:41.599 seriously consider if we do vote in their favor that you do 01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:42.960 build some kind 01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:47.369 of buffer on that north side that would be more distinctive 01:00:47.369 --> 01:00:49.679 as a separation so 01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:53.840 with all that in consideration I am considering voting for 01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:55.960 this approval 01:00:55.960 --> 01:01:00.489 thank you Commissioner Husspeth thank you chair I'm sorry 01:01:00.489 --> 01:01:02.440 Julie I was talking and 01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:08.469 I had a question for you while you're there so my question 01:01:08.469 --> 01:01:10.280 is as it's 01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:18.280 currently zoned in our three there under those allowed uses 01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:19.480 there's a community 01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:25.860 homes for disabled can you what is that what does that look 01:01:25.860 --> 01:01:26.559 like I know I know a 01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:29.840 little bit about and state it would be like any other house 01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:30.599 we do have a sub 01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:33.650 chapter for it in the code it is my understanding that 01:01:33.650 --> 01:01:34.719 state law requires 01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:39.130 that that is permitted in all residential zoning districts 01:01:39.130 --> 01:01:39.719 so so it 01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:41.750 would be just just like any other home we do have 01:01:41.750 --> 01:01:43.079 regulations there have to be 01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:46.739 so many a maximum number of people they can't be within 01:01:46.739 --> 01:01:48.360 half mile of each other 01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:50.670 so we have some guidelines but it's something that's 01:01:50.670 --> 01:01:52.039 permitted it would be 01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:56.760 it'd look like any other house but to my point how many 01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:58.519 people with that how many 01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:01.159 you know that's that's what that's what I'm curious about I 01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:02.079 believe it's for 01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:12.320 unrelated for unrelated okay so currently just people if 01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:12.840 you have two 01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:18.400 duplexes two adults that's four people and it's allowed 01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:20.360 currently if it was a 01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:23.900 different and used in a different way you could have those 01:02:23.900 --> 01:02:26.079 same four people am I 01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:28.179 understand am I drawing a straight line right I mean am I 01:02:28.179 --> 01:02:29.760 missing it as far as 01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:35.139 just I'm just saying just sheer number of people that are 01:02:35.139 --> 01:02:36.480 now injecting 01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:46.510 themselves into this neighborhood yes okay I think okay 01:02:46.510 --> 01:02:46.599 okay 01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:03.059 Commissioner Roselle thank you chair I appreciate the 01:03:03.059 --> 01:03:04.400 citizen coming out and 01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:09.269 speaking I certainly understand you being right next door 01:03:09.269 --> 01:03:10.280 your feelings are 01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:13.159 certainly valued so I appreciate you coming forward and 01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:13.960 talking and it 01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:18.570 definitely plays into the difficultness of this decision it 01:03:18.570 --> 01:03:20.239 does seem apparent 01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:25.010 though that the neighborhood is a lot of multifamily and du 01:03:25.010 --> 01:03:26.679 plex I mean based on 01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:29.489 the residential development of those percentages I mean 01:03:29.489 --> 01:03:31.159 over half of the area 01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:39.010 is not homeowner homeowner lived in and so I feel like 01:03:39.010 --> 01:03:40.199 conducive to the actual 01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:43.769 neighborhood it seems appropriate to to go forward with 01:03:43.769 --> 01:03:45.340 this but it is a 01:03:45.340 --> 01:03:48.039 difficult decision 01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:57.880 Commissioner Bruegel thank you chair you know I love infill 01:03:57.880 --> 01:03:58.599 you know I love it 01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:03.679 but I don't always approve it there was a case a year year 01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:05.639 and a half ago on the 01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:10.639 corner of Sherman and Kings Row you remember that 01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:11.519 Commissioner Taylor and 01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:14.269 Commissioner strange and they wanted to increase the 01:04:14.269 --> 01:04:16.599 density and it it seemed 01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.389 like a really good and it was a really cute project but it 01:04:19.389 --> 01:04:20.400 really didn't fit 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:26.440 the character of the neighborhood and though I agree with 01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:27.159 Commissioner Beck 01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:30.409 that we do need more affordable housing in Denton and I 01:04:30.409 --> 01:04:31.559 agree with Commissioner 01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:34.719 Roselle that there already is a lot of multifamily in this 01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:35.800 neighborhood when 01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:41.159 you look at the site there are some pretty clear barriers 01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:42.400 delineating where 01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:48.489 multifamily and single-family are located I understand that 01:04:48.489 --> 01:04:49.719 the owner may 01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:53.360 not be able to make as large of a profit building only two 01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:54.360 single-family homes as 01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:58.679 he would if you were to build some duplexes but I think the 01:04:58.679 --> 01:04:59.800 greater good 01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:02.449 here is to to honor the wishes of the neighborhood which 01:05:02.449 --> 01:05:03.639 came out to speak and 01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:06.889 I this is going to go to City Council so I encourage you to 01:05:06.889 --> 01:05:07.679 speak to your 01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:11.139 neighbors and make sure that they show up as well so this 01:05:11.139 --> 01:05:12.320 is a really tough 01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:16.360 decision because I love infill and I love density but in 01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:17.920 this case I'm going 01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:25.159 to move for denial of this request yes I am I'm moving now 01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:25.840 I'm gonna move that 01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:28.440 yeah 01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:41.599 Commissioner Taylor I'll second I have a first and a second 01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:42.920 any further 01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:49.760 discussion Commissioner Hatchbeth thank you yes I mean I'm 01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:50.679 good I I would love 01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:57.679 to get your thought mr. chair just because it is quite the 01:05:57.679 --> 01:05:58.960 conundrum but 01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:02.469 we have two separate entities that have reached out to the 01:06:02.469 --> 01:06:04.039 neighborhood we have 01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:06.329 the city that reached out we have the builder that reached 01:06:06.329 --> 01:06:08.480 out and the 01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:17.139 response is minute and so it leaves us to read the tea 01:06:17.139 --> 01:06:23.519 leaves and I think it's 01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:29.250 unique in that the property owner is deeply vested in the 01:06:29.250 --> 01:06:30.719 city and and so 01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:34.519 when you're talking about someone that has to be 01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:36.480 accountable I mean this is 01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:39.199 right in his wheelhouse this is his business this is his 01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:40.280 reputation this is 01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:43.469 what he does day in day out so I just think it's it's a 01:06:43.469 --> 01:06:44.800 little unique in that 01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.610 it's not a person that may or may not be invested in the 01:06:47.610 --> 01:06:49.119 community may just turn 01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:52.920 it may flip it I mean his name is synonymous and tied to it 01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:54.000 and it has 01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:57.989 probably far reaching that implications than then we we 01:06:57.989 --> 01:06:59.440 know so I think when 01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:02.380 you're talking about holding someone accountable to a 01:07:02.380 --> 01:07:03.639 product and and making 01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:07.719 sure they stand behind it and making sure they keep it just 01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:10.400 so I think this 01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:14.679 project is that I mean it is that so I am curious because 01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:16.480 you have an insight to 01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:19.730 the business side of the business and just experience that 01:07:19.730 --> 01:07:20.480 that I want to 01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:26.639 understand better I have the floor next so I'll offer a 01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:29.400 couple of comments I 01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:34.130 appreciate the perspective fellow commissioners and also 01:07:34.130 --> 01:07:35.360 the homeowner 01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:39.150 that's come before us after looking at the renderings I 01:07:39.150 --> 01:07:40.119 know those are not tied 01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:44.179 to what we're going to look at as far as voting on one way 01:07:44.179 --> 01:07:45.519 or the other on their 01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:48.159 zoning tonight I did find it interesting in the way that 01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:49.360 they were laid out that 01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:53.159 they didn't have entrances on each side of the home like a 01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:54.480 normal duplex was 01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:58.389 they're stacked front to back so it has more of appearance 01:07:58.389 --> 01:07:59.760 of a single-family 01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:03.280 design in a single-family neighborhood versus your 01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:05.760 traditional duplex which is 01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:09.440 what's all up and down the street and townhomes and as well 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:10.360 as the apartments 01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:13.280 and the four plexes across the street I drove over to the 01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:14.519 neighborhood actually 01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:18.510 today before a meeting just to refresh myself it's been I 01:08:18.510 --> 01:08:20.039 had to say 30 years 01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:26.630 since I was at Strickland but anyway you know it's a lot of 01:08:26.630 --> 01:08:28.600 stuff is still exactly 01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:32.960 the same as when I was there in you know in those early 01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:34.880 days and I think one of 01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:38.670 the things for me and I'm not going to support the this 01:08:38.670 --> 01:08:40.720 particular motion I'm in 01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:43.479 favor of this project because the subdivision has been 01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:44.479 developed for 30 01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:48.800 years the houses have taken some time and as the last ones 01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:49.920 being built in the in 01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:53.750 the mid 90s that's 20 years ago and in my opinion as a 01:08:53.750 --> 01:08:56.119 developer is and builder 01:08:56.119 --> 01:09:00.260 as well in this community is that if the marketplace has 01:09:00.260 --> 01:09:01.760 got a need for those 01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:05.010 things then they they get absorbed very quickly and if this 01:09:05.010 --> 01:09:06.399 was single-family 01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:09.859 use they'd have houses on them and there's a reason why 01:09:09.859 --> 01:09:10.600 they don't have 01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:13.590 single-family houses on them now and it's probably because 01:09:13.590 --> 01:09:14.520 of what's behind 01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:19.640 them what's across the street and I think this is probably 01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:21.760 one of those cases 01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:27.399 where you know you need to take a look at there's someone 01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:28.720 here of good 01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:32.180 reputation and a local person that has a great history 01:09:32.180 --> 01:09:34.159 behind them of building 01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:36.569 some great products it wants to take the serious on the 01:09:36.569 --> 01:09:37.560 launch for a long time 01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:42.460 and I can assure you if they felt like they could move 01:09:42.460 --> 01:09:43.760 forward with this and 01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:45.569 doing single-family they probably already would have single 01:09:45.569 --> 01:09:46.520 -family houses on them 01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:49.510 versus they've been mowing them and paying taxes on for at 01:09:49.510 --> 01:09:50.399 least ten years 01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:57.119 or longer so for those reasons I'm not going to support 01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:59.800 this motion and and I 01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:03.489 hope that we get a an opportunity to bring this back up in 01:10:03.489 --> 01:10:04.319 a in a next motion 01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:06.899 if this one doesn't pass to move this forward and see 01:10:06.899 --> 01:10:08.119 something nice built 01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:12.390 over there on that area and and and have them turn from 01:10:12.390 --> 01:10:14.279 vacant lots to places 01:10:14.279 --> 01:10:20.479 where people live and kids go to school Commissioner Taylor 01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:22.680 thank you chair I 01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:26.439 meant to speak a minute ago and I somehow got reset off the 01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:30.760 board so I'm 01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:37.079 was somewhat ambivalent about this beginning of the night 01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:38.079 and there there 01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:40.869 is a lot of kind of moderate density around it there's a 01:10:40.869 --> 01:10:41.920 lot of duplexes and 01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:45.220 fourplexes you know across the back fence and just down you 01:10:45.220 --> 01:10:46.000 know across 01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:53.250 Windsor and I just look at this as you know those those 01:10:53.250 --> 01:10:54.800 have been single-family 01:10:54.800 --> 01:11:01.380 lots for since they were planted and the you know the the 01:11:01.380 --> 01:11:03.760 owner the current owner 01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:07.399 has owned them for 16 years so if they haven't been 01:11:07.399 --> 01:11:09.880 developed it's because the 01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:13.180 current owner has chosen not to develop them not I think 01:11:13.180 --> 01:11:14.279 more more than any 01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:17.739 great market force that's saying we don't need any single- 01:11:17.739 --> 01:11:18.760 family in Denton 01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:22.390 and if I was and I was thinking about this I I move I'm 01:11:22.390 --> 01:11:23.439 moving into a 01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:26.689 neighborhood that's turning from primarily rental to 01:11:26.689 --> 01:11:27.640 primarily single 01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:30.779 family and if there was an empty lot across the street you 01:11:30.779 --> 01:11:31.720 could fit two 01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:35.180 houses on you could fit a duplex or possibly two duplexes 01:11:35.180 --> 01:11:37.359 on it I would be 01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:43.399 really an upset if if that was proposed and so I think this 01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:45.399 North Bell Avenue is 01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:48.409 a cohesive single-family neighborhood even though it has du 01:11:48.409 --> 01:11:50.199 plexes across each 01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:54.659 back fence all of the houses along North Bell and Lido and 01:11:54.659 --> 01:11:55.520 Foxwood and Holly 01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:59.970 Creek you know they have the green belt on one side and you 01:11:59.970 --> 01:12:01.079 know a little 01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:05.100 neighborhood right there so I don't think this is going to 01:12:05.100 --> 01:12:06.359 do great harm to 01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:10.630 the neighborhood but I I would be really angry if this 01:12:10.630 --> 01:12:11.920 appeared across the street 01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:15.520 from my house and and in an area that's currently zoned 01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:17.060 single-family and so 01:12:17.060 --> 01:12:22.819 that's that's why I feel I'm going to support the motion to 01:12:22.819 --> 01:12:25.399 deny any other 01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:33.020 requests to speak for a call vote on board so sure just 01:12:33.020 --> 01:12:34.239 just to clarify then 01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:37.699 so vote commissioner Brigham thank you chair just to 01:12:37.699 --> 01:12:38.960 clarify then a vote for 01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:44.720 then is about to deny this request that is your motion yeah 01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:46.960 thanks commissioner 01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:57.100 Hedgesmith sorry so commissioner Taylor if help me 01:12:57.100 --> 01:12:59.520 reconcile and I'm going to go 01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:05.840 back to my staple currently so we went we jumped a few 01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:08.800 grades for the United 01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:15.880 Way headquarters it's smack dab in the minute next to a 01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:16.680 neighborhood I mean 01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:20.140 it's all there's no multifamily anywhere in there and so I 01:13:20.140 --> 01:13:23.319 'm trying to reconcile 01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:28.449 understanding how the look I'll concede that the barriers 01:13:28.449 --> 01:13:32.000 are set I agree but 01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:38.319 I'm just trying to reconcile one there's two neighbors that 01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:40.439 reached out and so I 01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:43.010 don't know that I'm comfortable speaking for the rest of 01:13:43.010 --> 01:13:44.199 the neighbors and in two 01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:50.819 as a body we've kind of made decisions that are comparable 01:13:50.819 --> 01:13:52.840 to this decision in 01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:55.979 the past so I'm just trying to reconcile that so any 01:13:55.979 --> 01:13:57.319 insight I'd welcome 01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:03.880 commissioner Taylor thank you chair so in regard to the 01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:05.800 United Way project a 01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:12.720 couple months ago I think I was also I didn't feel I did 01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:13.640 feel it had an impact 01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:17.520 on the neighborhood and it's a really it was across the 01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:19.239 back it was a five or so 01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:25.949 acre parcel across the back fence from a row of houses and 01:14:25.949 --> 01:14:29.159 I think the the so the 01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:32.420 future land use plan that had been in place since before 01:14:32.420 --> 01:14:33.840 the 2030 plan since 01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:39.350 since the 2020 plan I believe it did have that area 01:14:39.350 --> 01:14:41.439 indicated as industrial 01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:45.500 and so I felt like we could have handled that project 01:14:45.500 --> 01:14:47.479 better I felt like if it had 01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:51.199 been zoned into one of the NR categories it would have 01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:52.560 provided a better buffer 01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:57.869 and I felt like there was risk because we zoned it in a 01:14:57.869 --> 01:14:59.039 potentially light 01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:01.989 industrial use that something really noxious could have 01:15:01.989 --> 01:15:03.079 gone in behind that 01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:06.569 back the back fences of those neighborhoods and I just have 01:15:06.569 --> 01:15:07.640 to rely on 01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:12.350 trusting United Way wouldn't do that and so I think if the 01:15:12.350 --> 01:15:13.479 balance of the future 01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:19.210 land use plan in that area and and the fact that it would 01:15:19.210 --> 01:15:21.479 provide some buffer 01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:28.000 was was what swayed me on that project and I do agree this 01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:29.520 you know this isn't 01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:32.979 the worst thing ever and it's not going to you know destroy 01:15:32.979 --> 01:15:33.800 this neighborhood 01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:36.899 but I do think it will have negative impact over over a 01:15:36.899 --> 01:15:38.119 long period of time 01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:41.109 and if there are empty rental houses across the street 01:15:41.109 --> 01:15:42.479 right now you know 01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:46.869 those will be less likely to become owner-occupied over 01:15:46.869 --> 01:15:49.319 time if there is a 01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:52.420 duplex of you know guaranteed permanent rental directly 01:15:52.420 --> 01:15:53.680 across the street from 01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:57.829 them so you're kind of guaranteeing that there will be more 01:15:57.829 --> 01:15:58.600 rentals in this 01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:02.600 neighborhood it will be less owner-occupied as time goes 01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:04.119 forward 01:16:09.039 --> 01:16:13.829 seeing no more requests to speak I will restate the motion 01:16:13.829 --> 01:16:15.760 the motion before us 01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:20.680 is to deny the rezoning request and I have a second on that 01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:22.600 and I see no other 01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:27.199 request to speak so I will call for a vote on the board 01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:45.739 the motion fails four to zero I'm sorry for two apologize I 01:16:45.739 --> 01:16:46.960 saw the zero on the 01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:50.420 end so I read the last thing came out my mouth first for 01:16:50.420 --> 01:16:53.159 opposed to in favor the 01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:56.039 motion fails 01:16:59.880 --> 01:17:04.239 Commissioner Rizzo I'd like to make a motion to go ahead 01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:05.479 and approve this 01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:13.880 agenda item Commissioner Beck chair I would maybe I don't 01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:14.800 know if I can do this 01:17:14.800 --> 01:17:19.079 at a time I would second the motion but I would like to 01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:21.640 emphasize the need for a 01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:25.300 north buffer is there some way I can this can be a part of 01:17:25.300 --> 01:17:27.520 that approval no 01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:30.529 we can't put that in with our zoning but I think we had in 01:17:30.529 --> 01:17:31.960 our work session that 01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:35.520 if it is with the duplex on there that it would require a 01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:36.960 10-foot buffer I 01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:39.720 believe that's one of the development code requirements is 01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:41.000 that correct staff 01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:47.789 okay okay did I second the motion okay any other requests 01:17:47.789 --> 01:17:49.399 to speak on this 01:17:49.399 --> 01:17:57.319 motion we have a first and a second and the motion before 01:17:57.319 --> 01:17:59.319 us is to approve the 01:17:59.319 --> 01:18:04.460 zoning as requested I'm in our three to in our six any 01:18:04.460 --> 01:18:07.880 other requests to speak 01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:12.680 seeing none I'll call for a vote on the board 01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:27.819 motion carries four to two thank you everyone the next item 01:18:27.819 --> 01:18:29.600 on our agenda 01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:34.529 this evening will be to discuss our project matrix and any 01:18:34.529 --> 01:18:36.159 concluding items 01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:48.600 none at 720 Commissioner back she's we would like to talk 01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:50.600 with Commissioner 01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:54.600 Briggs about this if we could discuss at some future time 01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:56.079 or maybe I just need to 01:18:56.079 --> 01:19:00.310 put a balloon out there to think about the possibility of 01:19:00.310 --> 01:19:01.680 some competition 01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:08.859 between our Commission City Council perhaps even the the 01:19:08.859 --> 01:19:10.000 other Commission 01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:17.880 that traffic safe yes bicycle race on the square and not 01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:20.720 just to you know the 01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:23.239 public will have a warmer feeling with its elected 01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:24.560 officials and its public 01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:27.859 servants and to promote the use of bicycles so something 01:19:27.859 --> 01:19:28.680 that maybe we 01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:31.439 could address in the future 01:19:31.439 --> 01:19:42.800 we'll add that to the matrix any other items seeing none at 01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:44.560 722 I'm going to 01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:48.319 close our meeting for this evening thank you everyone