1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,509 Planning and Zoning Commission work session for May the 11 2 00:00:04,509 --> 00:00:06,960 th. It is 535 and 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,410 our meeting has been duly posted and we have a quorum 4 00:00:09,410 --> 00:00:11,240 present and I'll call our 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,609 meeting to order at this time. Our first item on our agenda 6 00:00:15,609 --> 00:00:16,780 is going to be to 7 00:00:16,780 --> 00:00:19,769 receive clarification of agenda items and I will turn that 8 00:00:19,769 --> 00:00:20,800 over to Manal for 9 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,559 presentation. Thank you Chair President Strange. We have on 10 00:00:23,559 --> 00:00:24,600 the consent agenda 11 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,100 item a general development plan. It's relatively 12 00:00:27,100 --> 00:00:28,879 straightforward. We'd be happy 13 00:00:28,879 --> 00:00:31,780 to present it or answer any questions that anybody may have 14 00:00:31,780 --> 00:00:32,600 on this one else 15 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,600 we could move forward to the next item. Commissioner Beck. 16 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,079 Thank you Chair. Okay 17 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:45,219 and I'm just again new at this and everything but this 18 00:00:45,219 --> 00:00:46,200 development looks 19 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,390 like it's just pure housing development. There is nothing 20 00:00:50,390 --> 00:00:51,960 there. We were talking 21 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,579 at our last meeting about conservation development and 22 00:00:56,579 --> 00:00:58,119 there is no green space 23 00:00:58,119 --> 00:01:01,840 in this place. There's no bike riding area. It's on a busy 24 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,120 road and I don't 25 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,219 know should we be making comments? Shouldn't we be you know 26 00:01:07,219 --> 00:01:08,040 seeking somebody 27 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,200 to build something along those lines if we have to consider 28 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,599 that? Or is that 29 00:01:12,599 --> 00:01:15,549 something we should I should even be voice an opinion about 30 00:01:15,549 --> 00:01:16,640 at this point? 31 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,909 Definitely appreciate the suggestions however at this time 32 00:01:20,909 --> 00:01:22,120 zoning is already 33 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,769 in place. The parameters of the existing Denton Development 34 00:01:24,769 --> 00:01:25,480 Code in place in 35 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,810 order to create those types of elements or introduce those 36 00:01:27,810 --> 00:01:28,680 types of elements we 37 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,120 would have to actually create those districts to establish 38 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:31,760 those criteria. 39 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,709 Okay and I think we're making a movement is underway to get 40 00:01:35,709 --> 00:01:38,239 to that point. Okay so 41 00:01:38,239 --> 00:01:40,680 this is something we probably address on down the road. 42 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,319 Okay good good. Now I guess 43 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,040 and again probably not the right time to do it but I 44 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:55,400 noticed that on the oil wells there I guess it would be 45 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,370 the south east corner that look like the back and right up 46 00:01:59,370 --> 00:02:01,200 to the houses. Now again I 47 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:06,609 can't retain this information but what's the distances 48 00:02:06,609 --> 00:02:09,000 again? If I'm not mistaken 49 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,789 the setbacks to these existing wells now this is not on 50 00:02:11,789 --> 00:02:12,879 their property it's an 51 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:17,870 adjacent well. If I'm not mistaken it is 250 feet because 52 00:02:17,870 --> 00:02:19,180 it's the 53 00:02:19,180 --> 00:02:23,319 reverse. Right but that didn't look like 250 feet. It looks 54 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:24,479 like they're right up against the back. No I believe that 55 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:25,120 once we bring 56 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,500 forward the preliminary plot we'll have the true dimension 57 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:28,360 associated with that. 58 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,150 At this point the general development plan reflects the ph 59 00:02:31,150 --> 00:02:31,879 asing program 60 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:34,840 associated with this component of the development. We have 61 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:35,560 addressed and 62 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,530 discussed the gas well element associated in terms of adjac 63 00:02:39,530 --> 00:02:40,199 ency as well 64 00:02:40,199 --> 00:02:43,219 with the applicant and vetted it with our legal team as 65 00:02:43,219 --> 00:02:46,759 well. Thank you. 66 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:57,310 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you chair. Could you we don't 67 00:02:57,310 --> 00:02:58,719 see very many general 68 00:02:58,719 --> 00:03:01,009 development plans could you just outline the difference 69 00:03:01,009 --> 00:03:01,919 between this and say a 70 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,610 preliminary plot that shows phases? If I'm not mistaken and 71 00:03:05,610 --> 00:03:06,800 Chandran can we pull 72 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,439 that up on the screen please and I'm sure you can provide 73 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:11,599 some additional 74 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:16,439 guidance as well. The intent of a general development plan 75 00:03:16,439 --> 00:03:17,840 you know if you look at 76 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,780 it I'm sure when you read it you think this is very syn 77 00:03:19,780 --> 00:03:20,719 onymous to a preliminary 78 00:03:20,719 --> 00:03:23,509 plot to a great extent but in this instance we are 79 00:03:23,509 --> 00:03:25,000 identifying the phasing 80 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,360 program. We are also identifying and making sure we vetted 81 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:28,879 with our 82 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:32,090 engineering team you know are the access points for 83 00:03:32,090 --> 00:03:33,680 instance accurate does that 84 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,169 work? A component of it is you know we have all those 85 00:03:37,169 --> 00:03:38,960 phases reflective. What is 86 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,080 the connectivity to existing phase versus future phases? So 87 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,879 in concept the 88 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:47,020 development itself is being addressed. The plotting 89 00:03:47,020 --> 00:03:48,159 component obviously is a 90 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:50,879 different extension of development as you move forward but 91 00:03:50,879 --> 00:03:51,520 if I'm not mistaken 92 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:57,259 that's where the intent of the GDP comes in. Yes so the GDP 93 00:03:57,259 --> 00:03:59,159 is a conceptual land 94 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:03,759 use plan. Some really high-level engineering just to make 95 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:04,360 sure that the 96 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,000 lots can be adequately served if we do move forward to the 97 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,039 final plat. The 98 00:04:10,039 --> 00:04:14,120 reason why it's required is that well in this instance is 99 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,319 that the property was 100 00:04:16,319 --> 00:04:20,990 under one ownership it was a large tract over 20 acres and 101 00:04:20,990 --> 00:04:22,439 they were proposing to 102 00:04:22,439 --> 00:04:26,230 plat it or final plat it in phases and so there was an 103 00:04:26,230 --> 00:04:28,079 original GDP that expired 104 00:04:28,079 --> 00:04:32,199 I guess it was approved in 2011 and expired two years after 105 00:04:32,199 --> 00:04:33,439 that and so in 106 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:36,389 order for them to move forward with the prelim they need to 107 00:04:36,389 --> 00:04:37,439 come back in they 108 00:04:37,439 --> 00:04:41,920 needed to come back and restart the GDP or follow new GDP 109 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,480 so that they can go to 110 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:49,399 prelim and final. Did that answer your question? Okay. 111 00:04:49,399 --> 00:04:51,040 Another question. What size 112 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,879 are these lots? Most of these are about 80 well the minimum 113 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:57,759 required is 80 foot 114 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:01,250 of frontage on the right-of-way but when I measured most of 115 00:05:01,250 --> 00:05:02,079 them are about a 116 00:05:02,079 --> 00:05:07,509 hundred a little bit over that. At least the ones along 117 00:05:07,509 --> 00:05:10,439 fairway the ones in this 118 00:05:10,439 --> 00:05:16,519 bottom left hand corner. Correct. Well look I'm familiar 119 00:05:16,519 --> 00:05:17,680 with this development I 120 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,189 believe it's pretty much kind of a state homes it looks 121 00:05:20,189 --> 00:05:21,399 like they're all in R2 122 00:05:21,399 --> 00:05:25,050 which we don't see hardly ever in the city. It's very rare. 123 00:05:25,050 --> 00:05:26,160 It looks to me like 124 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,060 the lots there in phase four are probably at least an acre 125 00:05:30,060 --> 00:05:30,800 in size in 126 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:35,620 comparison to what is in phase one. Right. And so you know 127 00:05:35,620 --> 00:05:37,480 it's nice to see finally 128 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,939 a subdivision in my opinion that comes to us it's not an NR 129 00:05:41,939 --> 00:05:43,680 4 or NR6. It's just 130 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:48,540 stacked on top but there's actually large lots and it's a 131 00:05:48,540 --> 00:05:49,800 nice area out by 132 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,759 the Country Club and I've got great water features at the 133 00:05:52,759 --> 00:05:53,720 entrance way and 134 00:05:53,720 --> 00:06:00,439 so you know I think it's a great looking subdivision and I 135 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:01,800 think it will be well 136 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,699 received by people looking for those types of lots because 137 00:06:04,699 --> 00:06:05,600 there are hardly 138 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,060 any of them left in the city of Denton. Yes it does help us 139 00:06:09,060 --> 00:06:09,519 to have more 140 00:06:09,519 --> 00:06:14,709 diversity in terms of housing stuff. Correct. Commissioner 141 00:06:14,709 --> 00:06:16,920 Briegel. I've just got a 142 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,720 question about phase 1B. What can you just explain why that 143 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,040 I mean I don't see 144 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,920 any this section. No phase 1B at the top there. What I'm 145 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:26,720 just kind of curious why 146 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,199 it's labeled right at the top. It doesn't look like there's 147 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:32,000 gonna be any houses or 148 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,649 anything there so I was just kind of curious. I'm not quite 149 00:06:34,649 --> 00:06:35,879 sure but the applicant is 150 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:40,399 here if he wants do you want to come answer that question? 151 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,160 Good evening. Lee Allison with Allison Engineering Group. I 152 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,199 'd have to look at an 153 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:55,819 area but my understanding there is a house up there on the 154 00:06:55,819 --> 00:06:56,839 1B that's already 155 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,300 been set up and done and because of the ESAs and floodplain 156 00:07:00,300 --> 00:07:01,079 not anything that 157 00:07:01,079 --> 00:07:04,860 really additional can be done there so that's set up to go 158 00:07:04,860 --> 00:07:06,160 with and these are 159 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,620 the larger lots and right now the houses out here tending 160 00:07:09,620 --> 00:07:11,240 to go for $500,000 and 161 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,089 up. They do have water entry features at the front and in 162 00:07:15,089 --> 00:07:16,040 the back where the 163 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,350 detention pond is they've made that a staged detention pond 164 00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:20,279 with fountains and 165 00:07:20,279 --> 00:07:23,319 a continuous water feature so they've done quite a bit to 166 00:07:23,319 --> 00:07:24,519 try and enhance it 167 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:27,420 and then they got the country club golf course obviously 168 00:07:27,420 --> 00:07:29,040 next door that I 169 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,850 cannot tell you how many of them are or are not members of 170 00:07:31,850 --> 00:07:33,120 the country club but 171 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,930 but there's quite a bit in the area. I'll be glad to 172 00:07:35,930 --> 00:07:37,519 address any other questions 173 00:07:37,519 --> 00:07:40,589 you might have while I'm up here. No I was just curious 174 00:07:40,589 --> 00:07:41,399 because it just seems so 175 00:07:41,399 --> 00:07:46,740 much like so that's a seven and a half acre lot up there. 7 176 00:07:46,740 --> 00:07:49,240 .53 but it's so 177 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,759 awkward and ill-shaped I don't think anything different is 178 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:54,519 gonna happen with 179 00:07:54,519 --> 00:07:56,790 it. No I'm certainly not critiquing I was just kind of 180 00:07:56,790 --> 00:07:58,639 curious about. Oh yeah I 181 00:07:58,639 --> 00:08:03,509 don't blame you it's a hangnail on the property so to speak 182 00:08:03,509 --> 00:08:03,680 . 183 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:13,279 That's not a good way to put it. Any other questions on 184 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:14,240 this particular 185 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:29,439 item? Thank you very much. Our next item is a zoning change 186 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:30,319 request I'm gonna ask 187 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:34,759 Julie Wyatt to make that presentation for us. 188 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:49,000 Hi there Julie Wyatt. All right I'm presenting Z 16 3 to 189 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:49,840 you Bell Avenue 190 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,470 duplex. The request before you is to consider a rezoning 191 00:08:54,470 --> 00:08:56,919 from NR 3 to NR 6 on 192 00:08:56,919 --> 00:09:00,279 approximately 0.6 acres. The applicant would like to 193 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:02,080 develop the property with 194 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:07,870 two duplexes which would be four total units. The location 195 00:09:07,870 --> 00:09:08,879 of the property it's 196 00:09:08,879 --> 00:09:15,399 at Windsor and Bell on the corner here. A little bit of 197 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:17,700 history this area was 198 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:21,159 originally a planned development it was PD 72. It was a 199 00:09:21,159 --> 00:09:23,440 mixed-use development it 200 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,279 originally had the the low density single-family uses on 201 00:09:27,279 --> 00:09:28,200 the north side. 202 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,450 There was an open space running kind of bisecting the 203 00:09:32,450 --> 00:09:34,639 development. To the south 204 00:09:34,639 --> 00:09:39,059 there were garden homes which were town homes and then four 205 00:09:39,059 --> 00:09:40,519 plexes and duplexes. 206 00:09:40,519 --> 00:09:44,110 Also multifamily was proposed with that concept plan and 207 00:09:44,110 --> 00:09:45,919 neighborhood services. 208 00:09:45,919 --> 00:09:50,940 As that PD developed the single-family uses developed to 209 00:09:50,940 --> 00:09:52,679 the north as as planned 210 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,159 as well as the open space. The neighborhood services area I 211 00:09:57,159 --> 00:09:57,879 believe 212 00:09:57,879 --> 00:10:03,360 became a food line and is now the North Branch Library and 213 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:03,720 the 214 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,139 multifamily the garden style apartments were were developed 215 00:10:08,139 --> 00:10:10,399 . This area that was 216 00:10:10,399 --> 00:10:14,679 originally proposed for the duplex four plex some duplexes 217 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,000 were were developed 218 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,460 as well as there's some townhome type type development on 219 00:10:19,460 --> 00:10:20,559 East Windsor. 220 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,370 However this spine of North Bell and the streets that rad 221 00:10:25,370 --> 00:10:27,000 iate off of that was 222 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,360 actually changed to single-family uses more low density 223 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,399 single-family uses 224 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:34,860 during the development of this PD and and then they were 225 00:10:34,860 --> 00:10:36,159 originally and then 226 00:10:36,159 --> 00:10:39,299 they were eventually developed as single-family uses. The 227 00:10:39,299 --> 00:10:40,320 subject property 228 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,820 is right here on the corner. Currently the zoning it was 229 00:10:44,820 --> 00:10:46,360 rezoned out of the PD 230 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,309 well it was it was during the during the evolution of the 231 00:10:49,309 --> 00:10:50,080 PD there were 232 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,740 rezoning's that happened but but eventually the PD was gone 233 00:10:53,740 --> 00:10:54,320 as of the 234 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:59,779 2002 citywide rezoning and an NR3 zoning designation was 235 00:10:59,779 --> 00:11:00,480 was given to the 236 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:06,509 property and as you can see that NR3 does follow that 237 00:11:06,509 --> 00:11:07,559 single-family that 238 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,330 portion that was developed with that low density single- 239 00:11:10,330 --> 00:11:12,320 family. The applicant is 240 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:19,320 proposing an NR6 zoning designation for right here. Staff 241 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:20,039 looked at the future 242 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:24,750 land use it does have a low density residential future land 243 00:11:24,750 --> 00:11:25,840 use the proposed 244 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:31,039 NR6 does not meet the intent of the low density future land 245 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:32,919 use. Low density 246 00:11:32,919 --> 00:11:36,279 residential when you think about it think about the typical 247 00:11:36,279 --> 00:11:37,039 suburban type 248 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:40,230 development sometimes the curvilinear streets or that low 249 00:11:40,230 --> 00:11:41,759 density type the 250 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:45,490 one to two story houses front yard backyard with the 251 00:11:45,490 --> 00:11:46,679 driveway that that's 252 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,139 the type of development that low density residential. Also 253 00:11:50,139 --> 00:11:51,480 some cluster homes but 254 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,190 that's typically what you would think about. Dwelling units 255 00:11:55,190 --> 00:11:55,840 one to four 256 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,200 dwelling units per acre and any new development should 257 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,039 respond to the 258 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:05,000 existing development pattern in the character. NR6 is 259 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:05,879 typically associated 260 00:12:05,879 --> 00:12:10,100 with the moderate density future land use designation and 261 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:11,639 we I'm showing you a 262 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:14,129 future land use map that's somewhat zoomed out because I 263 00:12:14,129 --> 00:12:15,039 wanted you to take 264 00:12:15,039 --> 00:12:17,799 a look at where the low density residential is and then 265 00:12:17,799 --> 00:12:18,360 where the 266 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,190 moderate densities to show you what the intent of those 267 00:12:21,190 --> 00:12:22,440 types of future land use 268 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,690 designations are. Moderate density is meant for for 269 00:12:25,690 --> 00:12:27,200 dwelling units up to 12 270 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,159 dwelling units per acre and it's supposed to be kind of 271 00:12:30,159 --> 00:12:31,080 transitional the 272 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,720 additional mix of residential uses and it's it's typically 273 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,080 closer to our our 274 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,389 mixed use future land use designation so you can see it's 275 00:12:40,389 --> 00:12:42,159 here near the near the 276 00:12:42,159 --> 00:12:45,649 neighborhood mixed use future land use but adjacent to the 277 00:12:45,649 --> 00:12:46,440 low density 278 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:51,559 residential so sort of a transitional area. So when it when 279 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:52,919 a rezoning request 280 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:56,279 doesn't meet the future land use designation staff has some 281 00:12:56,279 --> 00:12:56,960 additional 282 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,860 criteria for approval that we look at that criteria for 283 00:13:00,860 --> 00:13:02,559 approval goes a deeper 284 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,019 dive into the request and looks at the character of the 285 00:13:06,019 --> 00:13:07,399 area with the land use 286 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:14,200 pattern is and and and the analysis with that so we looked 287 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,600 at the at the the 288 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,529 request not only from a high level to see you know what the 289 00:13:18,529 --> 00:13:19,480 adjacent zoning 290 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,059 districts were what the adjacent uses were but we also 291 00:13:22,059 --> 00:13:23,159 wanted to dive down at 292 00:13:23,159 --> 00:13:27,320 the block level as well. When we did that on this we we saw 293 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:28,399 that yes there are a 294 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:32,750 mix of uses and in the area you've got you've got duplexes 295 00:13:32,750 --> 00:13:33,639 you've got 296 00:13:33,639 --> 00:13:37,740 fourplexes and you have single-family homes and they're 297 00:13:37,740 --> 00:13:38,759 there they're in this 298 00:13:38,759 --> 00:13:42,740 area so here's the duplex here's the fourplexes in these 299 00:13:42,740 --> 00:13:45,519 areas but what you 300 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:49,470 do have when you have that mix of densities and those those 301 00:13:49,470 --> 00:13:50,279 different 302 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:55,070 residential uses you also have these physical mechanisms 303 00:13:55,070 --> 00:13:55,759 that create a 304 00:13:55,759 --> 00:14:00,950 separation between those uses and the single-family area so 305 00:14:00,950 --> 00:14:02,559 for instance the 306 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,139 fourplexes south of Windsor you've got an arterial here you 307 00:14:06,139 --> 00:14:08,039 've got you have an 308 00:14:08,039 --> 00:14:11,879 alley separating these duplexes from the single-family 309 00:14:11,879 --> 00:14:12,799 homes in this 310 00:14:12,799 --> 00:14:16,259 neighborhood in this instance you've got a mature line of 311 00:14:16,259 --> 00:14:17,919 trees that provide 312 00:14:17,919 --> 00:14:22,220 some physical barriers between the single-family uses and 313 00:14:22,220 --> 00:14:22,720 those those 314 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,230 fourplexes so we looked at that so there is a mix of uses 315 00:14:26,230 --> 00:14:27,440 but there was there is 316 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:34,879 that separation created by those physical barriers. We also 317 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:35,440 looked at 318 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,899 where the property is situated particularly in a single- 319 00:14:38,899 --> 00:14:39,279 family 320 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:42,580 neighborhood but it is the gateway this neighborhood has 321 00:14:42,580 --> 00:14:43,799 two entrances right 322 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:46,440 here on North Locust and then here at North you know at 323 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:47,879 North Bell and Windsor 324 00:14:47,879 --> 00:14:51,059 and this really is a gateway to this single-family 325 00:14:51,059 --> 00:14:52,720 neighborhood and this is 326 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:57,070 established as an NR3 it's got about a 3.9 dwelling units 327 00:14:57,070 --> 00:14:58,360 per acre so it meets 328 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:03,750 that that you know close to that NR3 zoning designation and 329 00:15:03,750 --> 00:15:04,960 at the block 330 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:11,440 level this continuing the NR3 zoning designation makes 331 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:12,120 sense because it's 332 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,539 consistent with with what's there by introducing NR6 in 333 00:15:16,539 --> 00:15:18,360 this area and we we 334 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,820 see that there's adjacent NR6 so we see that when you zoom 335 00:15:21,820 --> 00:15:22,840 up you know there is 336 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,330 that mix of zoning uses or zoning districts but when you 337 00:15:27,330 --> 00:15:28,980 enter when you 338 00:15:28,980 --> 00:15:33,769 introduce NR6 here at the block level what it would do is 339 00:15:33,769 --> 00:15:34,840 it could potentially 340 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:40,419 compromise the existing development pattern it could it 341 00:15:40,419 --> 00:15:43,320 could change it and 342 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,830 and create a new land use pattern that is not existing and 343 00:15:46,830 --> 00:15:47,879 we want to make sure 344 00:15:47,879 --> 00:15:51,840 that we protect those those existing neighborhoods. 345 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,279 Commissioner Beck. 346 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:57,240 Chair Julie based on what you just said that you're 347 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:58,159 concerned that it would 348 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:03,720 alter the character for the new what's that based on I mean 349 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,440 I can honestly see 350 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,440 the concern and I'm opposed to you know patch one zoning 351 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:10,299 and everything like that 352 00:16:10,299 --> 00:16:15,100 but this one this one is kind of unique here so what did 353 00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:16,240 you say to potentially 354 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,529 alter the existing land use pattern with an LL density 355 00:16:18,529 --> 00:16:19,759 single-family so what are you 356 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:22,429 basing that on? Well we're basing it on the potential dens 357 00:16:22,429 --> 00:16:23,960 ities within an NR6 358 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:29,470 and also additional residential uses so NR3 permits single- 359 00:16:29,470 --> 00:16:30,480 family homes it also 360 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,289 it doesn't permit duplexes it permits town homes within SUP 361 00:16:34,289 --> 00:16:35,360 so you can take a 362 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,600 closer look at what that use is and see if it meets within 363 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:39,679 the scale and within 364 00:16:39,679 --> 00:16:44,110 the character of the neighborhood. By bringing in NR6 at 365 00:16:44,110 --> 00:16:45,480 the block level and 366 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,240 and directly adjacent to single-family homes that are 367 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,960 developed with an NR3 in 368 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,799 an NR3 pattern that low density residential it could it 369 00:16:56,799 --> 00:16:57,480 could shrink 370 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,120 the lot size it just create a new development pattern away 371 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:01,799 from that 372 00:17:01,799 --> 00:17:05,160 large larger lot the lower density to a smaller density at 373 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,440 the block level. So 374 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,539 you're saying that it would serve as an emphasis to for 375 00:17:10,539 --> 00:17:13,359 other property owners to 376 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,640 change the status of their lot too? I don't know if it 377 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,019 would necessarily spur 378 00:17:19,019 --> 00:17:23,250 redevelopment in order to I mean it always could but I'm 379 00:17:23,250 --> 00:17:24,519 not sure if that 380 00:17:24,519 --> 00:17:29,250 was necessarily the the fear of staff and let me show you I 381 00:17:29,250 --> 00:17:30,680 was talking to 382 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,180 Commissioner Taylor at Google Earth's pictures are better 383 00:17:33,180 --> 00:17:35,119 than mine so look at 384 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,799 those are mine those are terrible this this I think 385 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:40,920 illustrates so this is this 386 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:46,650 is take this was taken by Google on Windsor facing North 387 00:17:46,650 --> 00:17:47,880 Bell and as you can 388 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,980 see this this is the property in question and it really is 389 00:17:50,980 --> 00:17:51,759 when you look 390 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:54,690 down this street you can see it is developed in a low 391 00:17:54,690 --> 00:17:56,000 density single-family 392 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,839 pattern and by introducing additional uses and and zoning 393 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:01,740 districts it could 394 00:18:01,740 --> 00:18:05,200 potentially alter that particularly at a at a critical 395 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,039 point in neighborhood 396 00:18:06,039 --> 00:18:08,269 which is you know the gateway that entrance into the 397 00:18:08,269 --> 00:18:09,559 neighborhood. But we're 398 00:18:09,559 --> 00:18:12,369 talking about such a small area there and the houses are 399 00:18:12,369 --> 00:18:13,359 designed in a way that 400 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,279 tend to blend in I mean if it was scattered, helter-skelter 401 00:18:17,279 --> 00:18:18,160 I'd see that 402 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,890 but it's right at the corner where there's a mix of those 403 00:18:21,890 --> 00:18:23,440 uses anyway so. It 404 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,170 is and that's why we looked at those physical barriers 405 00:18:26,170 --> 00:18:27,160 because we really 406 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,170 wanted to see how those uses played together and and 407 00:18:31,170 --> 00:18:32,559 because of those 408 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:35,299 physical barriers staff like felt it was most appropriate 409 00:18:35,299 --> 00:18:36,559 to keep it with the NR3 410 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:40,339 to keep that consistent development pattern through that 411 00:18:40,339 --> 00:18:41,160 block level 412 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,099 development. And if I can interject with just a second when 413 00:18:45,099 --> 00:18:46,559 Julie's talking about 414 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:49,329 changing what you're altering and what you could 415 00:18:49,329 --> 00:18:51,200 potentially impact by altering 416 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,839 the zoning classification is the integrity of that already 417 00:18:54,839 --> 00:18:55,480 established 418 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,490 single-family low density residential neighborhood so that 419 00:18:58,490 --> 00:18:59,359 played a factor 420 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:11,650 into our analysis as well. So here are my pictures. I got 421 00:19:11,650 --> 00:19:12,480 really good pictures of 422 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:17,119 the street. So here's the property across the street the 423 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,119 one next door came 424 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,309 out even worse than this one. This is actually across Winds 425 00:19:21,309 --> 00:19:22,160 or so this is one 426 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,619 of the four plexes that's across Windsor and then this is 427 00:19:24,619 --> 00:19:25,519 looking down the 428 00:19:25,519 --> 00:19:28,829 street. And once again here's Google's much better picture 429 00:19:28,829 --> 00:19:30,400 showing just how the 430 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,990 continuation of that line of development through the street 431 00:19:34,990 --> 00:19:37,279 . Staff did do a public 432 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:43,119 notification. There are two letters in response to to the 433 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,240 notification. They are 434 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,579 not within the 200 foot but I did want to provide them to 435 00:19:48,579 --> 00:19:50,440 you. We didn't receive 436 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,269 any letters back other than those. So based upon the 437 00:19:54,269 --> 00:19:56,480 considerations presented 438 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,400 in the criteria for approval in subchapter 3 of the Dent 439 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:00,160 Development 440 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,970 Code, staff recommends denial of this request and I'll 441 00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:05,880 stand for any questions. 442 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,079 Commissioner Bruegel. Thank you Chair. I'm going to work 443 00:20:10,079 --> 00:20:12,160 backwards. I've got a few questions that I 444 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,410 want to piggyback off of what Commissioner Beck was asking. 445 00:20:15,410 --> 00:20:19,359 So as I 446 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,480 understand it, town homes are allowed with an SUP but du 447 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,640 plexes are not. Correct. 448 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,319 How many units is the applicant proposing to build with 449 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:31,200 this? Oh I'm so 450 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,559 sorry it's a zoning case. Okay well then I did have a 451 00:20:35,559 --> 00:20:38,200 question about 452 00:20:39,279 --> 00:20:43,680 so attached single-family dwellings and accessory dwelling 453 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:44,279 units are 454 00:20:44,279 --> 00:20:48,279 allowed. Attached single-family dwellings to town homes. 455 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:49,240 Okay and then 456 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,099 when you have your picture of the fourplex, I guess what's 457 00:20:52,099 --> 00:20:52,960 the difference 458 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,809 between a duplex and a townhome? What's the difference 459 00:20:57,809 --> 00:20:58,279 between a fourplex and a townhome? 460 00:20:58,279 --> 00:21:01,599 A duplex would be two dwelling units that share a common 461 00:21:01,599 --> 00:21:03,859 wall. A townhome would be 462 00:21:03,859 --> 00:21:07,500 you can have up to eight dwelling units. Town homes are on 463 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:08,640 each individual 464 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,150 platted lot so each individual townhome would be owned fee 465 00:21:12,150 --> 00:21:14,200 simple on its own lot. 466 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:19,410 A duplex you can have two sides on one lot. If you put a 467 00:21:19,410 --> 00:21:21,000 townhome style 468 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,190 development on one lot and it was more than three units 469 00:21:24,190 --> 00:21:25,039 that would be 470 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:31,119 multifamily. Did I explain that? Okay. Do you want me to 471 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,759 say it one more time? Okay so 472 00:21:34,759 --> 00:21:39,480 town homes, to be considered a townhome, you can have eight 473 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:39,960 attached 474 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,160 dwelling units but each one has to be on its own platted 475 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,640 lot and so they're often 476 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,359 very narrow skinny lots. So I'm thinking of like are those 477 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:50,240 town homes then that 478 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,799 are just north of North Branch Library? So you're like out 479 00:21:53,799 --> 00:21:54,680 of town there like on 480 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,130 the left-hand side those would be town homes. They are and 481 00:21:57,130 --> 00:21:59,160 if you'll we can skip 482 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,599 back if you can see here you see the lot lines and all it 483 00:22:01,599 --> 00:22:02,440 looks like little 484 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:07,160 little teeth. Yes those are each on their own platted lot 485 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,880 so you could buy one 486 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,960 unit. Those are town homes. Okay and then going thank you 487 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:14,759 for explaining that. Sure. 488 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:18,059 What about accessory dwelling units? Could that be like 489 00:22:18,059 --> 00:22:19,200 tiny houses perhaps? 490 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,920 It well we have the limitation one, limitation one 491 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,920 addresses accessory 492 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,170 dwelling units and I believe most of the zoning districts. 493 00:22:29,170 --> 00:22:31,920 It could be it there 494 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,710 are you can't go over the lot coverage it needs to be in 495 00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:36,400 the back of the of the 496 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,269 primary structure. I believe you have to have a minimum 497 00:22:39,269 --> 00:22:41,000 square feet of 500 but it 498 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,309 can't go over half of the primary structure. So there's 499 00:22:45,309 --> 00:22:46,119 some there's some 500 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,849 parameters but yes it would be it could be. It would be a 501 00:22:50,849 --> 00:22:51,839 tiny house but it would 502 00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:55,720 be kind of on the same lot as a main. I think it's more of 503 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,200 it like a granny flat. 504 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,920 Right. You would yeah. Okay okay regarding physical 505 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,039 barriers because I see that 506 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:08,819 that Google picture was really helpful to see the tree. 507 00:23:08,819 --> 00:23:10,079 Those trees right there 508 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:13,069 that's very helpful but I also see like you know there's 509 00:23:13,069 --> 00:23:13,640 like fence there's 510 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,200 other barriers or streets and there's fences. So what other 511 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,000 what mechanisms 512 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,789 mechanisms are in place for buffering between different 513 00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:21,880 neighborhood zones? 514 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,000 What would we have in place to protect NR3 from NR6 from 515 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:26,519 encroaching on 516 00:23:26,519 --> 00:23:29,880 NR3? They would have to meet any buffering requirements and 517 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:30,279 we buffer 518 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:34,599 based upon use. Let me get my code. 519 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:56,000 Okay so single-family residential against all other 520 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,920 residential would be a type B 521 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,599 buffer which is a 10-foot planted strip which requires five 522 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:03,480 evergreen and 523 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,359 deciduous trees and 30 shrubs. So there would be a buffer 524 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,599 required in between 525 00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:10,829 between the uses. But it would take a few years for those 526 00:24:10,829 --> 00:24:11,720 trees to grow up big 527 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,660 enough to to really provide the privacy. But they're okay 528 00:24:14,660 --> 00:24:15,119 so there's a buffer. 529 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,579 Okay and then my last question is about the future land use 530 00:24:18,579 --> 00:24:19,480 map. Can you go back 531 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:24,609 to that slide please? Okay so I understand that the future 532 00:24:24,609 --> 00:24:25,279 land use map 533 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:29,170 has for most for that entire area basically low density but 534 00:24:29,170 --> 00:24:29,759 there's 535 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,750 already high density that exists in great quantities in 536 00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:34,839 this neighborhood. So 537 00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:37,069 how is the city planning on kind of balancing that as we 538 00:24:37,069 --> 00:24:37,759 move towards the 539 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:41,640 future with the 2030 comp plan when we already have dense 540 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,039 neighborhoods but the 541 00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:49,069 intention is for low density and we also encourage high 542 00:24:49,069 --> 00:24:51,920 density in our 543 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:58,240 comprehensive plan. We want more especially in the inner 544 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:58,400 part 545 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,230 of the city which I guess I would kind of consider this you 546 00:25:01,230 --> 00:25:01,640 know kind of 547 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,099 central Denton. How do we balance that? I'll take a stab at 548 00:25:05,099 --> 00:25:05,400 this and 549 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,089 Manal may want to jump in. When we look at a future land 550 00:25:09,089 --> 00:25:10,359 use designation it's 551 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:15,349 it's in even higher level than would be zoning. And so 552 00:25:15,349 --> 00:25:17,200 although there may be 553 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:23,519 uses that don't quite fit within that designation within it 554 00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:27,039 , it as a whole would 555 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:30,630 would meet in that and that is our aspiration for that area 556 00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:31,880 . So you know I 557 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,440 don't know if there would be if we would want to change the 558 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,839 future land use to 559 00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:41,839 to meet necessarily what's on the ground but it's it's it's 560 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:42,640 not on a parcel by 561 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,240 parcel but layer basis it's it's a much higher level and so 562 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,240 that's that's why 563 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,390 what's on the ground doesn't necessarily always mesh quite 564 00:25:51,390 --> 00:25:52,839 with what's what's on 565 00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:55,950 the future land use. And it does have an aspirational 566 00:25:55,950 --> 00:25:57,599 quality as well you know how 567 00:25:57,599 --> 00:26:00,339 how do we want to see it develop in the future so and I don 568 00:26:00,339 --> 00:26:01,559 't know if Manal wants 569 00:26:01,559 --> 00:26:08,799 to add to that or. It's accurate. Okay. All right thank you 570 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:12,359 . Commissioner Beck. I'm really torn here 571 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,569 between on this one I mean I understand wanting to sustain 572 00:26:16,569 --> 00:26:18,880 the single family the 573 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:24,079 NR3 again as opposed to doing this little patchwork changes 574 00:26:24,079 --> 00:26:25,480 here but in 575 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,220 this particular case because of its particular location I 576 00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:30,519 just don't see it 577 00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:36,039 being all that diabolical and offsetting anything. There 578 00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:37,640 was the letters went out 579 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,519 and again we didn't get much feedback and there's my 580 00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:41,839 concern again then that 581 00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:45,150 the people who live in the house get the letters. And the 582 00:26:45,150 --> 00:26:45,920 applicant did have a 583 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:51,930 neighborhood meeting and I believe they had one couple come 584 00:26:51,930 --> 00:26:53,400 so it was. Well my 585 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,630 next question was going to be what was the consensus on but 586 00:26:55,630 --> 00:26:56,160 if there's one 587 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:02,809 couple never mind there but yeah again it's it's tough to 588 00:27:02,809 --> 00:27:03,559 on this particular 589 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:10,009 case if it were back on in the area the neighborhood I 590 00:27:10,009 --> 00:27:14,039 would see that. My the 591 00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:17,960 thing I'm for a little bit on this one is duplexes 592 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,599 theoretically anyway are 593 00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:22,740 cheaper and more affordable would be considered more 594 00:27:22,740 --> 00:27:24,079 affordable housing again 595 00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:29,000 we need that and density would be a plus living right 596 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,119 across the street from 597 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,119 middle school so that's. I'm sorry I just want to direct a 598 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,839 point of order. Sure 599 00:27:35,839 --> 00:27:38,740 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you so we're we're in the work 600 00:27:38,740 --> 00:27:39,400 session we're just 601 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,269 getting clarification we don't really want to deliberate 602 00:27:42,269 --> 00:27:43,680 until we get to the 603 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,279 public to be able to deliberate in front of the public so I 604 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:50,000 just I feel like we 605 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,480 might be veering toward deliberation instead of 606 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,359 clarification. Thank you for 607 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,619 that. I just want to interject that. I thought you were 608 00:27:58,619 --> 00:28:01,279 going to ask a question. Well the 609 00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:05,069 question was I wanted to preface it with my feelings about 610 00:28:05,069 --> 00:28:06,799 it but then the question was what was the 611 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,809 consensus among the group and clearly there was no real 612 00:28:09,809 --> 00:28:11,279 consensus there so. And 613 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:15,390 the request before us is a change in zoning from to the du 614 00:28:15,390 --> 00:28:16,160 plexes is 615 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,970 potentially that's what might be developed but it could 616 00:28:18,970 --> 00:28:19,880 develop with the 617 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,230 other uses that are permitted in an R6 so our evaluation is 618 00:28:23,230 --> 00:28:24,079 based on that 619 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,329 zoning designation that land use and the associated land 620 00:28:27,329 --> 00:28:28,640 uses within that not 621 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,309 just the duplexes. We are aware that the applicant has 622 00:28:31,309 --> 00:28:32,640 intimated that they would 623 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,759 develop the site with that but we have to look at it 624 00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:36,759 comprehensively for the 625 00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:41,190 zoning designation. Okay thank you. Commissioner Taylor. 626 00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:42,359 Thank you Chair and I 627 00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:44,880 didn't mean to cut you off I just want to make sure that we 628 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,160 deliberate kind of 629 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,880 in front of the public. Mike I had a dimensional question. 630 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,119 There's a 631 00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:56,359 minimum lot size. This is in a larger subdivision so they 632 00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:57,119 there wouldn't be 633 00:28:57,119 --> 00:29:00,369 the area requirements just the minimum widths and depths is 634 00:29:00,369 --> 00:29:01,640 that correct? I 635 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:08,140 based it on the minimum widths and depths so yes. And if if 636 00:29:08,140 --> 00:29:09,380 somebody were to 637 00:29:09,380 --> 00:29:12,250 build townhomes they still have to meet the minimum width 638 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:13,160 so it would have to be 639 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,680 like a 50 foot wide townhome. Right it would be yes it 640 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,359 would be a rather large 641 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:22,789 lot to meet the minimum size. But at replatting it couldn't 642 00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:23,880 get narrower than 643 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,880 the minimum lot width right? Correct. Okay just making sure 644 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:29,880 . 645 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:37,589 Commissioner Roselle. Thank you Chair. The two letters we 646 00:29:37,589 --> 00:29:39,119 have one gave an address 647 00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:46,140 do we have an address for the second person? I don't. I 648 00:29:46,140 --> 00:29:49,359 have a question do we 649 00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:53,680 have any idea when these two lots were originally platted? 650 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,880 The applicant does. 651 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,839 If you could come to them and come up and that's okay. The 652 00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:09,319 audio can't capture 653 00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:12,630 you back there. You will give your name and address for us 654 00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:14,079 please as well. My 655 00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:17,930 name is Yolanda Voral and I reside at 2201 Geneva Circle. I 656 00:30:17,930 --> 00:30:19,119 did a little bit of 657 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:22,579 research on this area and the subdivision went in in the 658 00:30:22,579 --> 00:30:24,279 mid 80s. The 659 00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:26,759 houses the phase that we're looking at the houses across 660 00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:27,720 the street and to the 661 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:33,000 north of us were built in 94 and 95. This lot's been vacant 662 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:33,759 the entire time. 663 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:43,880 At least 20-25 years soon okay. Thank you very much. I want 664 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,440 to piggyback also kind 665 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,920 of what Amber brought up. If you could go to what the 666 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,759 future zoning is and then go 667 00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:56,940 back one like you had it what the current is our future 668 00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:58,079 zoning map shows 669 00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:02,099 basically the area that's already NRME 12 the NRM 6 all 670 00:31:02,099 --> 00:31:03,599 those areas to be 671 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:08,029 low density. So I understand your concern and and an 672 00:31:08,029 --> 00:31:10,200 apology for looking to the 673 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,140 2030 plan of what we would like it to be but also think we 674 00:31:13,140 --> 00:31:14,519 've got to balance it 675 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:18,799 to what's already there existing and with all these already 676 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:20,460 existing zonings 677 00:31:20,460 --> 00:31:24,490 here in an area that already as we're looking future there 678 00:31:24,490 --> 00:31:25,480 's already things 679 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,289 that aren't quote-unquote conforming or compatible or 680 00:31:28,289 --> 00:31:29,819 whatever term is the right 681 00:31:29,819 --> 00:31:33,619 planning term to put on it. So you know I think that's 682 00:31:33,619 --> 00:31:35,839 something also for us to 683 00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:40,920 consider is not only because we deal with this a lot as to 684 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,420 what the comp plan 685 00:31:42,420 --> 00:31:46,289 shows it to be but in reality there's some other things 686 00:31:46,289 --> 00:31:47,759 around it that that 687 00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:50,259 may not be conforming to what the comp plan shows and I 688 00:31:50,259 --> 00:31:51,319 think this is a prime 689 00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,289 example of one of those instances where we have a lot of 690 00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:55,640 higher density things 691 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,440 already existing there as well. So thank you for my 692 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,440 questions anybody else have 693 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,039 any questions on this particular item? 694 00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:17,079 Thank you. With that I'm going to close our work session at 695 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,160 6 o 8 and we will 696 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,839 reconvene in council chambers at 6 30. 697 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,210 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton Planning and 698 00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:32,319 Zoning Commission 699 00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:37,049 meeting for May 11th. This meeting has been duly posted and 700 00:32:37,049 --> 00:32:38,240 we have a quorum 701 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,700 present and the time is 6 35 and I'll call our meeting to 702 00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:43,160 order. Our first time 703 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,400 of business will be to stand and give the pledge the US and 704 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,559 Texas flag. 705 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,150 I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state, under God, one 706 00:33:00,150 --> 00:33:01,480 indivisible. 707 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:25,680 It's just a point of order for our meeting tonight we do 708 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,920 not have a set of 709 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,069 minutes to consider so I assume that will be on our next 710 00:33:32,069 --> 00:33:33,079 meeting to take a 711 00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:40,720 look at. Our next item then will be our consent agenda. 712 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:43,000 Commissioner Beck. I move we approve the consent agenda. 713 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:49,599 Commissioner Taylor. 714 00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:55,329 Second. Okay. We have a first and a second. Any discussion? 715 00:33:55,329 --> 00:33:56,960 Seeing none we'll call for a 716 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,640 vote on the board. 717 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:15,119 And that motion carries 6 to 0. The next item on our agenda 718 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:16,360 will be our public 719 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:23,019 hearings and our first item will be Z 16 - 0 0 0 3 and I'm 720 00:34:23,019 --> 00:34:24,599 going to open the 721 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:27,409 public hearing at this time and I will call on the 722 00:34:27,409 --> 00:34:29,079 applicant to present your 723 00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:31,679 project please. 724 00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:47,599 2201 Geneva Circle. Mr. Chairman, members of the board, 725 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:50,960 staff, I'm here to present 726 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:56,559 tonight the property at 3104 North Bell. I'm the lead 727 00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:57,400 designer at Tim Beatty 728 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,369 Builders and Mr. Beatty is the owner of this property as 729 00:35:00,369 --> 00:35:02,360 well as the builder if 730 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,650 we gain your support tonight. We're seeking the approval of 731 00:35:05,650 --> 00:35:06,440 a zoning change 732 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:11,230 for the two infill lots located at 3104 North Bell. The 733 00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:12,840 lots are in the northeast 734 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,989 corner of Windsor and Bell and described as 55 R1 and 55 R2 735 00:35:17,989 --> 00:35:19,960 . The property is 736 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,539 currently zoned in R3 which allows for the residential 737 00:35:23,539 --> 00:35:25,280 building but not for the 738 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,739 duplex that we are proposing to build. The surrounding 739 00:35:28,739 --> 00:35:30,119 property uses are a mix 740 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:34,000 of multifamily, duplex, and residential as well as a junior 741 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,239 high school and the 742 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,079 future land use for the entire area is low residential 743 00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:40,000 although the current 744 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,800 uses have a higher percent density of multifamily and du 745 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:44,760 plex than they do 746 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:50,789 residential. I brought a map if I can get the overhead 747 00:35:50,789 --> 00:35:54,320 working. Percentages of 748 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,380 multifamily are shown in purple and duplex in blue we have 749 00:35:58,380 --> 00:35:59,559 46 percent 750 00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:06,570 multifamily and duplex and 21 percent residential in this 751 00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:10,320 area. To give you a 752 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,130 little history the lot the development was platted in the 753 00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:14,400 mid 80s the homes 754 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,940 across the street and to the north were built in 94 and 95. 755 00:36:18,940 --> 00:36:20,380 Mr. Beatty's lot has 756 00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:25,940 been vacant the entire time. In the year 2000 the two lots 757 00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:27,480 were replatted with a 758 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,840 private access easement on the north end of the interior 759 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,280 lot. I wanted to show you 760 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,519 this. 761 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:47,480 The private access easement wraps from the interior lot 55 762 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,599 1R all the way 763 00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:53,760 around with a 20-foot radius and comes down into the to the 764 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,400 lot on the corner. 765 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,269 This private access easement is something that you would 766 00:36:58,269 --> 00:36:58,800 know more 767 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,480 normally see in commercial or multifamily and not 768 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,239 necessarily 769 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:10,340 residential at least in my in my working history. It's und 770 00:37:10,340 --> 00:37:14,320 etermined why this 771 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,829 property was replatted if only residential was to be built. 772 00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:18,599 Neighborhood 773 00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:21,590 compatibility would have placed the driveway shared between 774 00:37:21,590 --> 00:37:22,400 two properties 775 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,989 as it is across the street at 3101 and 3105 North Bell. One 776 00:37:26,989 --> 00:37:28,079 might assume a 777 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,920 higher density was in the works regardless the current plat 778 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:32,719 layout and 779 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,550 the size of the lots which are much larger than the other 780 00:37:35,550 --> 00:37:36,199 lots in the 781 00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:39,909 neighborhood and the combination easement off Windsor which 782 00:37:39,909 --> 00:37:40,840 is 35 feet 783 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,190 post hardship to the owner. We studied the neighborhood and 784 00:37:44,190 --> 00:37:44,920 determined the best 785 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,099 use of the infill property would be duplex and we made this 786 00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:49,039 decision based 787 00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:53,610 on the surrounding uses to the east and south being multif 788 00:37:53,610 --> 00:37:54,880 amily and we hoped 789 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,210 that this would be an acceptable buffer to the neighborhood 790 00:37:57,210 --> 00:37:59,000 . We sent mailings out 791 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,500 to 116 surrounding properties within 200 and 500 feet. We 792 00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:04,559 held a neighborhood 793 00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:08,210 meeting at the North Branch Library on April 25th and one 794 00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:09,519 family attended. We 795 00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:13,000 presented the building elevations and two site plans. One 796 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,679 with the driveway as 797 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,989 currently planted and the other with a shared driveway we 798 00:38:16,989 --> 00:38:17,960 thought would be more 799 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,860 compatible with the neighborhood although it would require 800 00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:23,199 us to amend the plat. 801 00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:26,389 The attendees were in favor of the driveway being shared 802 00:38:26,389 --> 00:38:27,159 between the 803 00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,519 duplex units. Overall they favored the appearance of the 804 00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:31,239 structures and 805 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,760 informed us they would share the information with the 806 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:34,599 neighbor who was 807 00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:39,739 unable to attend. I wanted to show you the two site plans. 808 00:38:39,739 --> 00:38:43,320 The first shows the 809 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,219 way the property is currently platted. This would be the 810 00:38:46,219 --> 00:38:47,119 neighbor directly to 811 00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,960 North and this would be the entrance to both lots and this 812 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,280 is why they were 813 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,150 opposed to that. They favored the second site plan. I did 814 00:38:57,150 --> 00:38:59,039 get a phone call from the 815 00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:06,280 second neighbor last week and she also favored the driveway 816 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,079 being between the 817 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:13,519 two structures. I answered the question. She called me on 818 00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:14,440 the phone. We talked and 819 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,840 answered all of her questions pertaining to the size and 820 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,519 finish of the units. Mr. 821 00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:23,219 Beatty received one other telephone call in favor of the 822 00:39:23,219 --> 00:39:23,960 project. 823 00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:33,460 The structures are designed to meet the DDC requirements 824 00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:36,840 for lock coverage, height, 825 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,199 architectural element, and landscape if the zoning changes 826 00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:41,440 approved tonight. The 827 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,449 duplex units will appear as single-family residences and 828 00:39:44,449 --> 00:39:45,639 are compatible with the 829 00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:49,099 existing neighborhood. The parking will be screened from 830 00:39:49,099 --> 00:39:50,239 Bell and Windsor. The 831 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,949 East property line will be fenced to help buffer from the 832 00:39:52,949 --> 00:39:54,000 multifamily to the 833 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,510 east and we will construct the missing sidewalk on Windsor 834 00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:58,719 and rebuild the ADA 835 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:04,280 ramp as required as well as add street trees. The proposed 836 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,440 project has adequate 837 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,900 utilities, neighborhood amenities, public transportation, 838 00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:10,239 schools, and the library. 839 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,199 Each infill lot will have adequate open space for its 840 00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:14,639 tenants and the target 841 00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:17,699 tenants are families with long-term leases. Although we 842 00:40:17,699 --> 00:40:18,960 worked closely with 843 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,829 staff to plead our case, we were unable to gain their 844 00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:23,840 support. We're here to 845 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,900 offer a well-designed project that we feel will buffer the 846 00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:28,800 existing homes from 847 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,539 multifamily and be compatible with the neighborhood. We 848 00:40:31,539 --> 00:40:32,880 hope to offer quality, 849 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,840 affordable housing in this neighborhood. We're willing to 850 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:36,960 continue to work with 851 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,630 staff and we would like to amend the plat to be more 852 00:40:39,630 --> 00:40:40,800 compatible with the 853 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,260 neighborhood and to meet the wishes of the adjoining two 854 00:40:44,260 --> 00:40:45,599 neighbors who took the 855 00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:49,599 time to meet with us and discuss this project prior to 856 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:51,400 tonight. If necessary, 857 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,320 we're willing to submit an alternative development plan and 858 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,400 we can create an 859 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,329 overlay that will only allow single-family or duplex 860 00:40:59,329 --> 00:41:00,239 buildings to be 861 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,750 constructed on these two infill lots. We hope to gain your 862 00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:05,219 support for this infill 863 00:41:05,219 --> 00:41:07,960 project and we're here to answer any questions that you may 864 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,360 have. I have some 865 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,559 questions. Commissioner back. Thank you Chair. Thanks, Jel 866 00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:14,760 ona, for your presentation 867 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,679 here in those houses. Those duplexes look very much like 868 00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:20,719 houses. Was there some 869 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,559 kind of buffer on the north side? If we're allowed to move 870 00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:26,840 the driveway in 871 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,650 between the two property lines, we have it designed right 872 00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:32,119 now to provide ten feet 873 00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:36,090 of buffering which would meet the requirement, but I have 874 00:41:36,090 --> 00:41:36,599 about, you know, a 875 00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:39,409 few more feet. I could probably get 15 in there if it would 876 00:41:39,409 --> 00:41:40,480 help and that's why we 877 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,980 were here to talk about or we're willing to work through an 878 00:41:42,980 --> 00:41:44,039 amended plat to offer 879 00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:49,510 more. Okay. Why not stay with the NR3? Why not build single 880 00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:51,239 -family homes? The lots, 881 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:57,119 these two lots are 12,700 and 12,400 feet, substantially 882 00:41:57,119 --> 00:41:58,159 larger, and the lots 883 00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:02,360 across the street are 8,500 and 7,600. It's just a lot of 884 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,239 property. Okay, thank 885 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:14,190 you. Any other questions for the applicant? Commissioner 886 00:42:14,190 --> 00:42:16,480 Rosell. Out of 887 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,119 curiosity, the percentages don't add up to a hundred. Is 888 00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:21,119 the other missing, is that 889 00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:23,929 roads or can you explain the missing percentages? The 890 00:42:23,929 --> 00:42:24,980 missing percentage 891 00:42:24,980 --> 00:42:28,230 would be the school and probably our property itself and we 892 00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:29,039 didn't include 893 00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:42,349 the roads, you're correct. Thank you. Commissioner Hesbeth. 894 00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:43,719 So some of the 895 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,199 concerns are traffic. Can you speak to that, to traffic 896 00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:50,719 currently? So some of 897 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,519 the concerns we receive say Windsor Bell too busy, what are 898 00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:56,039 your thoughts or what 899 00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:59,769 are, just share your thoughts on the issue being raised 900 00:42:59,769 --> 00:43:02,000 about traffic. Well 901 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,150 the two lots, if they were developed with housing, we don't 902 00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:07,320 feel like it would be 903 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,780 that much more traffic than the area already has. I think 904 00:43:10,780 --> 00:43:11,800 there are a lot of 905 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,630 concerns for the multifamily that's in the area, which is 906 00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:15,519 one of the reasons 907 00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:19,510 that we opted to go with duplex for a lower density to be a 908 00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:20,679 buffer rather than 909 00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:25,840 to add additional. I think the original, when we purchased 910 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:26,960 the property it was 911 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,750 thought, the thought pattern was to do two fourplexes which 912 00:43:30,750 --> 00:43:32,159 would have been eight 913 00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:36,219 units and 16 bedrooms and you know higher density. We're 914 00:43:36,219 --> 00:43:37,039 looking for 915 00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:40,760 families who may or may not have multiple cars. I don't 916 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:41,840 really feel the 917 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:49,329 impact would be that substantial. Commissioner Beck. Thank 918 00:43:49,329 --> 00:43:51,079 you Chair. So you 919 00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:57,909 talked to two people total? Three, two families. Two 920 00:43:57,909 --> 00:43:59,320 families. The property 921 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,260 directly to the north and then the second to the north. The 922 00:44:03,260 --> 00:44:04,320 second to nobody 923 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:10,360 across the street. Nobody across the street responded. And 924 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,119 there are 925 00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:13,880 consensus with them was that they weren't opposed to 926 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,039 provided you put the 927 00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:19,199 driveway in the middle. That's correct. The person who 928 00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:20,239 attended the meeting was 929 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,969 the second house to the north. She said they were queued as 930 00:44:23,969 --> 00:44:25,280 a button but she was 931 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,460 concerned about the location of the driveway. The second 932 00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:30,880 was the property 933 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,260 directly to the north and she was concerned about the 934 00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:34,039 location of the 935 00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:36,789 driveway because her son's bedroom window is on that 936 00:44:36,789 --> 00:44:38,880 property line. Okay. You 937 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,989 mentioned that one of them was representing somebody else 938 00:44:41,989 --> 00:44:42,559 did I hear 939 00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:46,679 that right that they were speaking? The second neighbor was 940 00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:47,519 there she was 941 00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:50,030 hoping the first neighbor could come but they couldn't make 942 00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:50,800 the meeting that 943 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,960 night. And she expressed their sentiment was what for them? 944 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:55,679 That is the same 945 00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:59,139 neighbor that contacted me by telephone. Okay and they were 946 00:44:59,139 --> 00:45:01,000 opposed to it or? They 947 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,039 were not in favor not opposed but they were in favor of the 948 00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:06,000 driveway moving to 949 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,880 the middle. Okay. If we proceeded. Thank you. 950 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:17,639 Any other questions for the applicant? Thank you very much. 951 00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:19,800 Thank you. 952 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:33,059 Collin Julie. All right I'll just provide a summary of the 953 00:45:33,059 --> 00:45:36,360 proposal. So the 954 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,929 request before you tonight is to consider making a 955 00:45:38,929 --> 00:45:40,159 recommendation to City 956 00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:44,570 Council regarding a rezoning from NR3 to NR6. The location 957 00:45:44,570 --> 00:45:46,119 of the property is at 958 00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:51,079 Windsor and Bell on the corner there. Staff's findings were 959 00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:52,400 that NR6 did not 960 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,539 meet the future land use designation of low density 961 00:45:55,539 --> 00:45:57,360 residential and that the 962 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,650 maximum density and expanded residential uses in NR6 wouldn 963 00:46:01,650 --> 00:46:02,320 't would not be 964 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,780 complementary to the existing adjacent NR3 district and 965 00:46:05,780 --> 00:46:06,840 established single 966 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,849 family neighborhood therefore staff is recommending denial 967 00:46:09,849 --> 00:46:11,639 of the proposal. I 968 00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:16,599 will stand for any questions. Commissioner Bruegel. Thank 969 00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:19,840 you chair. In 970 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,630 the presentation by the applicant she showed the potential 971 00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:25,679 should this go 972 00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:28,289 forward their their proposal for what they'd like to build 973 00:46:28,289 --> 00:46:29,599 there. I understand 974 00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:33,360 that this is a rezone request but what sort of how much say 975 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,199 does PNC have in 976 00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:38,210 something like the lot layout to sort of like minimize the 977 00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:39,599 the visual impact on 978 00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:44,480 on adjacent properties. Would we get a chance to kind of 979 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,400 approve a site plan on 980 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,389 something or if we just say no site plan unless it you know 981 00:46:49,389 --> 00:46:50,320 it didn't meet the 982 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,519 subchapter 13 requirements for site design. So once it gets 983 00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:56,320 to that point the 984 00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,099 building we would make sure that it meets all buffering 985 00:47:00,099 --> 00:47:01,079 requirements all 986 00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:05,139 access requirements all parking all screening building 987 00:47:05,139 --> 00:47:06,239 orientation and 988 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,820 building materials so that would all be reviewed at a staff 989 00:47:09,820 --> 00:47:10,920 level and unless 990 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,400 they wanted to vary from the code it wouldn't come back 991 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,719 before you. Okay thank 992 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,559 you. Sure. Commissioner Taylor. Thank you chair. Do you 993 00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:24,000 have a close-in aerial of 994 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,889 the site or is that is that the best you have? That is the 995 00:47:27,889 --> 00:47:30,300 best I have. Okay I was 996 00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:36,119 trying to measure the width of the total land area and so 997 00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,800 this is rezoning the 998 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,630 site there we don't have binding site plans we can't put 999 00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:42,320 landscape 1000 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,130 requirements we can't we can't do any any extra 1001 00:47:45,130 --> 00:47:46,960 requirements we can just 1002 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,480 basically rezone from what I could tell like it's either it 1003 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,639 's about 190 maybe 1004 00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:57,000 feet wide. 174. 174. Are you talking nor are you talking 1005 00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,519 street frontage? Yeah a lot. 1006 00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:08,099 Okay good. So yeah 180. So at NR6 that would allow three 1007 00:48:08,099 --> 00:48:09,280 lots if it was going 1008 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,780 to be replanted it could be replanted to a total of three 1009 00:48:11,780 --> 00:48:13,159 lots. For single family. 1010 00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:18,079 For single family. Would they could also be those could 1011 00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:19,099 also be duplexes right 1012 00:48:19,099 --> 00:48:22,239 three it could it would be possible to put three duplexes. 1013 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,139 If they could fit it 1014 00:48:24,139 --> 00:48:27,400 on there. And then if it went to townhomes it would be 1015 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:28,360 three 50 foot wide 1016 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,820 townhomes that would not really practical. Correct. Okay so 1017 00:48:31,820 --> 00:48:32,559 yeah I was just trying 1018 00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:37,639 to figure out you know what is what is the maximum density 1019 00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:40,079 at NR6 so are there 1020 00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,889 any other denser uses that are missing is that is that 1021 00:48:42,889 --> 00:48:43,599 pretty much the worst? 1022 00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,510 No that's that's that's basically it it would just be those 1023 00:48:46,510 --> 00:48:47,519 residential uses 1024 00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:50,829 there's not multifamily or or any commercial uses so it 1025 00:48:50,829 --> 00:48:51,599 would just be the 1026 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:58,880 residential. Thank you. Any other questions for staff? 1027 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,360 Thank You Julie. 1028 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,840 Again this is a public hearing anyone who would like to 1029 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,119 come and speak on this 1030 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:11,260 item please come forward at this time and give your name 1031 00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:14,239 and address. If you 1032 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,829 haven't filled have you filled out a card? Okay please come 1033 00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:19,480 on. Yes my name is 1034 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:24,710 Emily McClendon and I am the neighbor directly adjacent to 1035 00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:26,280 this property and my 1036 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,820 husband couldn't be here tonight but when me and my husband 1037 00:49:30,820 --> 00:49:31,559 and my young son 1038 00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:36,139 moved here three years ago we made sure to check that this 1039 00:49:36,139 --> 00:49:38,440 empty lot was zoned 1040 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:43,659 single-family resident and we were unable to attend the 1041 00:49:43,659 --> 00:49:45,760 informational meeting that 1042 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,480 they gave but I did talk to Yolanda and you know I just 1043 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,280 wanted to get some more 1044 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,329 information because I really was undecided on on it at 1045 00:49:55,329 --> 00:49:56,519 first but in the 1046 00:49:56,519 --> 00:50:00,400 time since then I've given it a lot of thought and I have 1047 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:01,519 to say that I am 1048 00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:06,780 against it because I feel like our neighborhood our subdiv 1049 00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:07,599 ision is 1050 00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:11,309 single-family homes yes we do have apartments behind us and 1051 00:50:11,309 --> 00:50:12,679 the ones across 1052 00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:15,559 from Windsor I mean she was saying it's like this is going 1053 00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:16,760 to be a buffer that's 1054 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:23,440 not even relevant for us you know across from Windsor is so 1055 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,840 far so I 1056 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,230 just feel like our subdivision is single-family homes and I 1057 00:50:29,230 --> 00:50:29,960 think to 1058 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,099 complete our our neighborhood you know we should keep it 1059 00:50:33,099 --> 00:50:34,960 single-family and 1060 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,880 we're also concerned about what it might do to our property 1061 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,199 values in the future 1062 00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:45,849 I mean they the duplexes look very nice but you know what's 1063 00:50:45,849 --> 00:50:46,760 it gonna be in 10 1064 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,070 years you know and the other the other thing is is that we 1065 00:50:51,070 --> 00:50:52,320 are us and our 1066 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,190 neighbors right next to us and they weren't able to come 1067 00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:56,239 tonight but we were 1068 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,909 real close to them and we are long-term invested in our in 1069 00:50:58,909 --> 00:50:59,760 our home and our 1070 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,219 property and I feel like if you put duplexes there you 1071 00:51:03,219 --> 00:51:04,480 automatically take 1072 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,389 that option away that these people next to us could 1073 00:51:07,389 --> 00:51:08,599 possibly be long-term 1074 00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:12,829 invested into their property so that's just basically my 1075 00:51:12,829 --> 00:51:15,440 feelings on it I guess 1076 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,960 that's it thank you questions for you excuse me 1077 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,360 Commissioner Beck thank you chair is there anybody else 1078 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,199 other than you and 1079 00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:27,260 the neighbor you mentioned that feels similar to you we're 1080 00:51:27,260 --> 00:51:28,320 trying to get more 1081 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:34,179 input here yeah I personally don't know we were very close 1082 00:51:34,179 --> 00:51:34,719 to our neighbors 1083 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,679 right next to us but I couldn't say for the people across 1084 00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:39,880 the street and you're 1085 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,960 like you would be like the third house up from these from 1086 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,639 these duplexes is that 1087 00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:49,739 correct no we're right next to them we're the ones right 1088 00:51:49,739 --> 00:51:50,880 next to it yeah so 1089 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,570 like I mean if that driveway went in like it would be right 1090 00:51:53,570 --> 00:51:54,360 up against our 1091 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,639 fence and okay that just makes me uncomfortable you know so 1092 00:51:58,639 --> 00:51:59,760 yeah okay 1093 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:06,079 thank you see other questions thank you very much thank you 1094 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:07,400 in this little 1095 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,119 public hearing if anyone else would like to speak please 1096 00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:13,280 come forward at this time 1097 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:22,570 seeing none I've got two other emails one is from Weldon 1098 00:52:22,570 --> 00:52:25,480 Church at 31 36 Lido 1099 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:32,550 Way and he is opposed to change in the zoning and then we 1100 00:52:32,550 --> 00:52:33,760 have one other 1101 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:40,079 comment from Nona McCaleb she is opposed as well but there 1102 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:41,320 is not an address on 1103 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,960 here so we do not know how close they may or if they are 1104 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:45,800 inside the 1105 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,880 notification area those are the only public comments that 1106 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,559 we have to be read 1107 00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:57,670 in the record at this time seeing no one else want to come 1108 00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:58,599 speak before us I'm 1109 00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:02,519 going to close excuse me 1110 00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:14,239 good evening commissioners I'm Tim Beatty I reside at 2459 1111 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:14,960 West Blackjack 1112 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,519 Road in Arbery most of my time is spent at 421 East Hickory 1113 00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:22,239 in Denton and I have 1114 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:29,199 owned this property for several years now over over 10 and 1115 00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:30,519 very familiar with 1116 00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:33,769 this property I was even involved with this development 1117 00:53:33,769 --> 00:53:37,039 when it went in but the 1118 00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:42,429 problem is with this property is a another developer owned 1119 00:53:42,429 --> 00:53:43,679 this before I 1120 00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:49,110 did and the way this is platted is not compatible for for a 1121 00:53:49,110 --> 00:53:50,480 single-family home 1122 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,389 it was pointed out earlier and and I understand the 1123 00:53:54,389 --> 00:53:58,079 neighbors concern and we 1124 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,849 could go build two houses right now but the driveway would 1125 00:54:00,849 --> 00:54:01,800 run right down the 1126 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:09,900 side of our fence and so as you've seen this is a a high 1127 00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:11,079 density area I 1128 00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:14,730 understand the traffic there's a public school across the 1129 00:54:14,730 --> 00:54:15,920 street in a public 1130 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,559 library this is a this is an arterial street that majority 1131 00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:21,159 of this traffic I 1132 00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:24,489 don't have any way of proving it but it's I'm sure more 1133 00:54:24,489 --> 00:54:25,920 than 50% of it don't 1134 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,480 even live in this this area we're talking about so the 1135 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,400 impact and traffic 1136 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:36,800 I think is very minimal obviously you can see we're trying 1137 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,960 to build something 1138 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,550 that's attractive something that would look good it's an 1139 00:54:42,550 --> 00:54:43,639 infield lot it's been 1140 00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:49,369 a vacant lot since the beginning and it's an opportunity to 1141 00:54:49,369 --> 00:54:50,559 get another 1142 00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:55,199 infield lot filled with something that's very compatible 1143 00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:58,559 very attractive and I 1144 00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:03,460 think it would enhance the neighborhood not not devaluate 1145 00:55:03,460 --> 00:55:04,280 the neighborhood at 1146 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:10,150 all so just before you vote I would just ask that you take 1147 00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:12,599 a serious look at the 1148 00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:21,170 area at at the densities at at these two lots they're they 1149 00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:21,880 're they're difficult 1150 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,889 to build a single-family home and I don't think any of you 1151 00:55:24,889 --> 00:55:25,719 would want to 1152 00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,510 have a driveway that wrapped around your house for the 1153 00:55:28,510 --> 00:55:29,840 neighbor next door and 1154 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:35,949 that's the way this is set up so just thought I would throw 1155 00:55:35,949 --> 00:55:37,719 my opinion in and 1156 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,610 if you got any questions for me feel free to ask you have a 1157 00:55:40,610 --> 00:55:41,000 question 1158 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,619 Commissioner Roselle thank you chair I just have two quick 1159 00:55:43,619 --> 00:55:44,519 questions hopefully 1160 00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:47,119 yes sir the first is it was there any considerations maybe 1161 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:47,639 going through a 1162 00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:51,380 replat to make it more conducive to do single-family dwell 1163 00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:53,000 ings on the property 1164 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:58,869 well we looked at it the problem is it's border I mean to 1165 00:55:58,869 --> 00:56:01,639 downsize the lot to 1166 00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:04,599 where there would be three lots there they're too small and 1167 00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:06,800 you know like you 1168 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,260 on the said you know there's a buffer there on Windsor that 1169 00:56:10,260 --> 00:56:11,239 they they took 1170 00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:16,079 away so it it really doesn't lend itself to do that and 1171 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:18,360 they you know you're 1172 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,849 gonna end up with an approach too close to intersection by 1173 00:56:20,849 --> 00:56:22,840 doing that as well so 1174 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,039 it's it's just a problem it's a problem lot sure the same 1175 00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:27,960 question I had is in 1176 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,469 work session there's a mention of a long-term lease given 1177 00:56:31,469 --> 00:56:32,440 any idea of how 1178 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,630 long-term the lease commitments would be to the citizens 1179 00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:38,639 fear or concern about a 1180 00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:45,639 rotational neighbor can you speak to that well you know I'm 1181 00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:46,519 one I'm not gonna 1182 00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:50,039 tell you you know what you want to hear you know people are 1183 00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:52,280 people we we would 1184 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:57,119 require we haven't got this far yet but our minimum is one- 1185 00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,280 year commitments but 1186 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,389 people break leases you know sure but and I will say there 1187 00:57:02,389 --> 00:57:04,039 's single-family 1188 00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:08,570 rent homes across the street and there's four lease signs 1189 00:57:08,570 --> 00:57:11,599 out right now so this 1190 00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:14,619 area I understand there's homes and there's homesteads and 1191 00:57:14,619 --> 00:57:15,539 there's families 1192 00:57:15,539 --> 00:57:23,039 but it's also made up of long-term lease buildings here 1193 00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:26,519 thank you thank you any 1194 00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:31,920 other questions for this speaker okay thank you thank you 1195 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,400 thank you in this 1196 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,630 is a public hearing if there's anyone else that would like 1197 00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:37,199 to speak on this 1198 00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:43,099 item please come forward at this time seeing none I'm going 1199 00:57:43,099 --> 00:57:44,400 to close the 1200 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,840 public hearing and open the floor for discussion 1201 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,840 Commissioner Taylor thank you 1202 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,909 chair I just had a quick question for staff this might be 1203 00:57:52,909 --> 00:57:53,599 more an engineering 1204 00:57:53,599 --> 00:58:00,170 question the site plan that was shown the possible future a 1205 00:58:00,170 --> 00:58:00,960 possible future 1206 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:07,400 site plan that was shown had a single central driveway was 1207 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,960 and those mentioned 1208 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,420 that maybe the drive would be too close to the arterial 1209 00:58:12,420 --> 00:58:14,960 would that because it's 1210 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,619 trying to think how to the question would that would they 1211 00:58:17,619 --> 00:58:18,440 be able to build 1212 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:24,539 that driveway at the lot line there because there'd be the 1213 00:58:24,539 --> 00:58:26,079 only way to access 1214 00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:29,090 that lot or it would have to meet the driveway spacing 1215 00:58:29,090 --> 00:58:29,880 requirements let me see 1216 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:39,570 if I can I wish Earl was here tonight the driveways to the 1217 00:58:39,570 --> 00:58:40,559 north they do have a 1218 00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:45,199 split driveway between so they could it could be shared you 1219 00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:46,440 know the development 1220 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,539 pattern just to the north you'll see that these these 1221 00:58:49,539 --> 00:58:50,519 houses do share a 1222 00:58:50,519 --> 00:58:56,920 driveway let me see if the transportation section will tell 1223 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:57,519 me it 1224 00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:02,170 may be in the criteria manual so I may hit a hit a road 1225 00:59:02,170 --> 00:59:03,440 block here but 1226 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:21,429 I don't know the answer to it that would have to be 1227 00:59:21,429 --> 00:59:23,840 something that Earl and 1228 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,000 engineering would have to look at but there's generally 1229 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,239 some flexibility if 1230 00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:30,860 you have a lot that you cannot build a driveway to you have 1231 00:59:30,860 --> 00:59:31,840 to provide allow 1232 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:38,480 access in some capacity so yeah all right thank you sure 1233 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:45,159 Commissioner back thank you chair as I mentioned before I 1234 00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:46,719 am really torn between 1235 00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:49,510 this decision because I know our African has always built a 1236 00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:51,239 fine product and this 1237 00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:55,110 is a unique lot it's in an area where it blends in with 1238 00:59:55,110 --> 00:59:56,679 both single-family 1239 00:59:56,679 --> 01:00:00,920 multifamily and I understand homeowners concerns too about 1240 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:01,920 how it's going to 1241 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,869 affect their property so it's a tough decision here but and 1242 01:00:05,869 --> 01:00:07,000 I think if it was 1243 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,230 anywhere else I wouldn't have any problem sustaining the nr 1244 01:00:11,230 --> 01:00:12,880 3 and so we 1245 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:17,269 don't have this patchwork zoning but after listening to all 1246 01:00:17,269 --> 01:00:18,119 sides I'm under 1247 01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:21,579 the opinion that maybe this is the exception where we do 1248 01:00:21,579 --> 01:00:22,880 change the zoning 1249 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,690 for this particular case because otherwise this lot of 1250 01:00:25,690 --> 01:00:26,679 probably just sit 1251 01:00:26,679 --> 01:00:30,039 there forever and ever and provided that you know we get 1252 01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:31,239 the quality workmanship 1253 01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:36,090 we always have from the applicant and I would probably also 1254 01:00:36,090 --> 01:00:37,440 add that they do 1255 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:41,599 seriously consider if we do vote in their favor that you do 1256 01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:42,960 build some kind 1257 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:47,369 of buffer on that north side that would be more distinctive 1258 01:00:47,369 --> 01:00:49,679 as a separation so 1259 01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:53,840 with all that in consideration I am considering voting for 1260 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,960 this approval 1261 01:00:55,960 --> 01:01:00,489 thank you Commissioner Husspeth thank you chair I'm sorry 1262 01:01:00,489 --> 01:01:02,440 Julie I was talking and 1263 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:08,469 I had a question for you while you're there so my question 1264 01:01:08,469 --> 01:01:10,280 is as it's 1265 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:18,280 currently zoned in our three there under those allowed uses 1266 01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:19,480 there's a community 1267 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:25,860 homes for disabled can you what is that what does that look 1268 01:01:25,860 --> 01:01:26,559 like I know I know a 1269 01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:29,840 little bit about and state it would be like any other house 1270 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:30,599 we do have a sub 1271 01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:33,650 chapter for it in the code it is my understanding that 1272 01:01:33,650 --> 01:01:34,719 state law requires 1273 01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:39,130 that that is permitted in all residential zoning districts 1274 01:01:39,130 --> 01:01:39,719 so so it 1275 01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:41,750 would be just just like any other home we do have 1276 01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:43,079 regulations there have to be 1277 01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:46,739 so many a maximum number of people they can't be within 1278 01:01:46,739 --> 01:01:48,360 half mile of each other 1279 01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,670 so we have some guidelines but it's something that's 1280 01:01:50,670 --> 01:01:52,039 permitted it would be 1281 01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:56,760 it'd look like any other house but to my point how many 1282 01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,519 people with that how many 1283 01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:01,159 you know that's that's what that's what I'm curious about I 1284 01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:02,079 believe it's for 1285 01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:12,320 unrelated for unrelated okay so currently just people if 1286 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:12,840 you have two 1287 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:18,400 duplexes two adults that's four people and it's allowed 1288 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,360 currently if it was a 1289 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,900 different and used in a different way you could have those 1290 01:02:23,900 --> 01:02:26,079 same four people am I 1291 01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:28,179 understand am I drawing a straight line right I mean am I 1292 01:02:28,179 --> 01:02:29,760 missing it as far as 1293 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:35,139 just I'm just saying just sheer number of people that are 1294 01:02:35,139 --> 01:02:36,480 now injecting 1295 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:46,510 themselves into this neighborhood yes okay I think okay 1296 01:02:46,510 --> 01:02:46,599 okay 1297 01:02:57,159 --> 01:03:03,059 Commissioner Roselle thank you chair I appreciate the 1298 01:03:03,059 --> 01:03:04,400 citizen coming out and 1299 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:09,269 speaking I certainly understand you being right next door 1300 01:03:09,269 --> 01:03:10,280 your feelings are 1301 01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,159 certainly valued so I appreciate you coming forward and 1302 01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:13,960 talking and it 1303 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:18,570 definitely plays into the difficultness of this decision it 1304 01:03:18,570 --> 01:03:20,239 does seem apparent 1305 01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:25,010 though that the neighborhood is a lot of multifamily and du 1306 01:03:25,010 --> 01:03:26,679 plex I mean based on 1307 01:03:26,679 --> 01:03:29,489 the residential development of those percentages I mean 1308 01:03:29,489 --> 01:03:31,159 over half of the area 1309 01:03:31,159 --> 01:03:39,010 is not homeowner homeowner lived in and so I feel like 1310 01:03:39,010 --> 01:03:40,199 conducive to the actual 1311 01:03:40,199 --> 01:03:43,769 neighborhood it seems appropriate to to go forward with 1312 01:03:43,769 --> 01:03:45,340 this but it is a 1313 01:03:45,340 --> 01:03:48,039 difficult decision 1314 01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:57,880 Commissioner Bruegel thank you chair you know I love infill 1315 01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:58,599 you know I love it 1316 01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:03,679 but I don't always approve it there was a case a year year 1317 01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:05,639 and a half ago on the 1318 01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:10,639 corner of Sherman and Kings Row you remember that 1319 01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:11,519 Commissioner Taylor and 1320 01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:14,269 Commissioner strange and they wanted to increase the 1321 01:04:14,269 --> 01:04:16,599 density and it it seemed 1322 01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:19,389 like a really good and it was a really cute project but it 1323 01:04:19,389 --> 01:04:20,400 really didn't fit 1324 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:26,440 the character of the neighborhood and though I agree with 1325 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:27,159 Commissioner Beck 1326 01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:30,409 that we do need more affordable housing in Denton and I 1327 01:04:30,409 --> 01:04:31,559 agree with Commissioner 1328 01:04:31,559 --> 01:04:34,719 Roselle that there already is a lot of multifamily in this 1329 01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:35,800 neighborhood when 1330 01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:41,159 you look at the site there are some pretty clear barriers 1331 01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:42,400 delineating where 1332 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:48,489 multifamily and single-family are located I understand that 1333 01:04:48,489 --> 01:04:49,719 the owner may 1334 01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:53,360 not be able to make as large of a profit building only two 1335 01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:54,360 single-family homes as 1336 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,679 he would if you were to build some duplexes but I think the 1337 01:04:58,679 --> 01:04:59,800 greater good 1338 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,449 here is to to honor the wishes of the neighborhood which 1339 01:05:02,449 --> 01:05:03,639 came out to speak and 1340 01:05:03,639 --> 01:05:06,889 I this is going to go to City Council so I encourage you to 1341 01:05:06,889 --> 01:05:07,679 speak to your 1342 01:05:07,679 --> 01:05:11,139 neighbors and make sure that they show up as well so this 1343 01:05:11,139 --> 01:05:12,320 is a really tough 1344 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,360 decision because I love infill and I love density but in 1345 01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:17,920 this case I'm going 1346 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:25,159 to move for denial of this request yes I am I'm moving now 1347 01:05:25,159 --> 01:05:25,840 I'm gonna move that 1348 01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,440 yeah 1349 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:41,599 Commissioner Taylor I'll second I have a first and a second 1350 01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:42,920 any further 1351 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:49,760 discussion Commissioner Hatchbeth thank you yes I mean I'm 1352 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:50,679 good I I would love 1353 01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:57,679 to get your thought mr. chair just because it is quite the 1354 01:05:57,679 --> 01:05:58,960 conundrum but 1355 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,469 we have two separate entities that have reached out to the 1356 01:06:02,469 --> 01:06:04,039 neighborhood we have 1357 01:06:04,039 --> 01:06:06,329 the city that reached out we have the builder that reached 1358 01:06:06,329 --> 01:06:08,480 out and the 1359 01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:17,139 response is minute and so it leaves us to read the tea 1360 01:06:17,139 --> 01:06:23,519 leaves and I think it's 1361 01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:29,250 unique in that the property owner is deeply vested in the 1362 01:06:29,250 --> 01:06:30,719 city and and so 1363 01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:34,519 when you're talking about someone that has to be 1364 01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:36,480 accountable I mean this is 1365 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,199 right in his wheelhouse this is his business this is his 1366 01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:40,280 reputation this is 1367 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,469 what he does day in day out so I just think it's it's a 1368 01:06:43,469 --> 01:06:44,800 little unique in that 1369 01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,610 it's not a person that may or may not be invested in the 1370 01:06:47,610 --> 01:06:49,119 community may just turn 1371 01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:52,920 it may flip it I mean his name is synonymous and tied to it 1372 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,000 and it has 1373 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,989 probably far reaching that implications than then we we 1374 01:06:57,989 --> 01:06:59,440 know so I think when 1375 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,380 you're talking about holding someone accountable to a 1376 01:07:02,380 --> 01:07:03,639 product and and making 1377 01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:07,719 sure they stand behind it and making sure they keep it just 1378 01:07:07,719 --> 01:07:10,400 so I think this 1379 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,679 project is that I mean it is that so I am curious because 1380 01:07:14,679 --> 01:07:16,480 you have an insight to 1381 01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,730 the business side of the business and just experience that 1382 01:07:19,730 --> 01:07:20,480 that I want to 1383 01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:26,639 understand better I have the floor next so I'll offer a 1384 01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:29,400 couple of comments I 1385 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:34,130 appreciate the perspective fellow commissioners and also 1386 01:07:34,130 --> 01:07:35,360 the homeowner 1387 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,150 that's come before us after looking at the renderings I 1388 01:07:39,150 --> 01:07:40,119 know those are not tied 1389 01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:44,179 to what we're going to look at as far as voting on one way 1390 01:07:44,179 --> 01:07:45,519 or the other on their 1391 01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:48,159 zoning tonight I did find it interesting in the way that 1392 01:07:48,159 --> 01:07:49,360 they were laid out that 1393 01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:53,159 they didn't have entrances on each side of the home like a 1394 01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:54,480 normal duplex was 1395 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,389 they're stacked front to back so it has more of appearance 1396 01:07:58,389 --> 01:07:59,760 of a single-family 1397 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,280 design in a single-family neighborhood versus your 1398 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,760 traditional duplex which is 1399 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,440 what's all up and down the street and townhomes and as well 1400 01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:10,360 as the apartments 1401 01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,280 and the four plexes across the street I drove over to the 1402 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:14,519 neighborhood actually 1403 01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:18,510 today before a meeting just to refresh myself it's been I 1404 01:08:18,510 --> 01:08:20,039 had to say 30 years 1405 01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:26,630 since I was at Strickland but anyway you know it's a lot of 1406 01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:28,600 stuff is still exactly 1407 01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,960 the same as when I was there in you know in those early 1408 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,880 days and I think one of 1409 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,670 the things for me and I'm not going to support the this 1410 01:08:38,670 --> 01:08:40,720 particular motion I'm in 1411 01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,479 favor of this project because the subdivision has been 1412 01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:44,479 developed for 30 1413 01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,800 years the houses have taken some time and as the last ones 1414 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:49,920 being built in the in 1415 01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,750 the mid 90s that's 20 years ago and in my opinion as a 1416 01:08:53,750 --> 01:08:56,119 developer is and builder 1417 01:08:56,119 --> 01:09:00,260 as well in this community is that if the marketplace has 1418 01:09:00,260 --> 01:09:01,760 got a need for those 1419 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,010 things then they they get absorbed very quickly and if this 1420 01:09:05,010 --> 01:09:06,399 was single-family 1421 01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:09,859 use they'd have houses on them and there's a reason why 1422 01:09:09,859 --> 01:09:10,600 they don't have 1423 01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,590 single-family houses on them now and it's probably because 1424 01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:14,520 of what's behind 1425 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:19,640 them what's across the street and I think this is probably 1426 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,760 one of those cases 1427 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:27,399 where you know you need to take a look at there's someone 1428 01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:28,720 here of good 1429 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,180 reputation and a local person that has a great history 1430 01:09:32,180 --> 01:09:34,159 behind them of building 1431 01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:36,569 some great products it wants to take the serious on the 1432 01:09:36,569 --> 01:09:37,560 launch for a long time 1433 01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:42,460 and I can assure you if they felt like they could move 1434 01:09:42,460 --> 01:09:43,760 forward with this and 1435 01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,569 doing single-family they probably already would have single 1436 01:09:45,569 --> 01:09:46,520 -family houses on them 1437 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,510 versus they've been mowing them and paying taxes on for at 1438 01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:50,399 least ten years 1439 01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:57,119 or longer so for those reasons I'm not going to support 1440 01:09:57,119 --> 01:09:59,800 this motion and and I 1441 01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,489 hope that we get a an opportunity to bring this back up in 1442 01:10:03,489 --> 01:10:04,319 a in a next motion 1443 01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:06,899 if this one doesn't pass to move this forward and see 1444 01:10:06,899 --> 01:10:08,119 something nice built 1445 01:10:08,119 --> 01:10:12,390 over there on that area and and and have them turn from 1446 01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:14,279 vacant lots to places 1447 01:10:14,279 --> 01:10:20,479 where people live and kids go to school Commissioner Taylor 1448 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,680 thank you chair I 1449 01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,439 meant to speak a minute ago and I somehow got reset off the 1450 01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:30,760 board so I'm 1451 01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:37,079 was somewhat ambivalent about this beginning of the night 1452 01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:38,079 and there there 1453 01:10:38,079 --> 01:10:40,869 is a lot of kind of moderate density around it there's a 1454 01:10:40,869 --> 01:10:41,920 lot of duplexes and 1455 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,220 fourplexes you know across the back fence and just down you 1456 01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:46,000 know across 1457 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:53,250 Windsor and I just look at this as you know those those 1458 01:10:53,250 --> 01:10:54,800 have been single-family 1459 01:10:54,800 --> 01:11:01,380 lots for since they were planted and the you know the the 1460 01:11:01,380 --> 01:11:03,760 owner the current owner 1461 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,399 has owned them for 16 years so if they haven't been 1462 01:11:07,399 --> 01:11:09,880 developed it's because the 1463 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,180 current owner has chosen not to develop them not I think 1464 01:11:13,180 --> 01:11:14,279 more more than any 1465 01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:17,739 great market force that's saying we don't need any single- 1466 01:11:17,739 --> 01:11:18,760 family in Denton 1467 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,390 and if I was and I was thinking about this I I move I'm 1468 01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:23,439 moving into a 1469 01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,689 neighborhood that's turning from primarily rental to 1470 01:11:26,689 --> 01:11:27,640 primarily single 1471 01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,779 family and if there was an empty lot across the street you 1472 01:11:30,779 --> 01:11:31,720 could fit two 1473 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,180 houses on you could fit a duplex or possibly two duplexes 1474 01:11:35,180 --> 01:11:37,359 on it I would be 1475 01:11:37,359 --> 01:11:43,399 really an upset if if that was proposed and so I think this 1476 01:11:43,399 --> 01:11:45,399 North Bell Avenue is 1477 01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:48,409 a cohesive single-family neighborhood even though it has du 1478 01:11:48,409 --> 01:11:50,199 plexes across each 1479 01:11:50,199 --> 01:11:54,659 back fence all of the houses along North Bell and Lido and 1480 01:11:54,659 --> 01:11:55,520 Foxwood and Holly 1481 01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,970 Creek you know they have the green belt on one side and you 1482 01:11:59,970 --> 01:12:01,079 know a little 1483 01:12:01,079 --> 01:12:05,100 neighborhood right there so I don't think this is going to 1484 01:12:05,100 --> 01:12:06,359 do great harm to 1485 01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:10,630 the neighborhood but I I would be really angry if this 1486 01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:11,920 appeared across the street 1487 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,520 from my house and and in an area that's currently zoned 1488 01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,060 single-family and so 1489 01:12:17,060 --> 01:12:22,819 that's that's why I feel I'm going to support the motion to 1490 01:12:22,819 --> 01:12:25,399 deny any other 1491 01:12:25,399 --> 01:12:33,020 requests to speak for a call vote on board so sure just 1492 01:12:33,020 --> 01:12:34,239 just to clarify then 1493 01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:37,699 so vote commissioner Brigham thank you chair just to 1494 01:12:37,699 --> 01:12:38,960 clarify then a vote for 1495 01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:44,720 then is about to deny this request that is your motion yeah 1496 01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,960 thanks commissioner 1497 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:57,100 Hedgesmith sorry so commissioner Taylor if help me 1498 01:12:57,100 --> 01:12:59,520 reconcile and I'm going to go 1499 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:05,840 back to my staple currently so we went we jumped a few 1500 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,800 grades for the United 1501 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:15,880 Way headquarters it's smack dab in the minute next to a 1502 01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:16,680 neighborhood I mean 1503 01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,140 it's all there's no multifamily anywhere in there and so I 1504 01:13:20,140 --> 01:13:23,319 'm trying to reconcile 1505 01:13:23,319 --> 01:13:28,449 understanding how the look I'll concede that the barriers 1506 01:13:28,449 --> 01:13:32,000 are set I agree but 1507 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:38,319 I'm just trying to reconcile one there's two neighbors that 1508 01:13:38,319 --> 01:13:40,439 reached out and so I 1509 01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,010 don't know that I'm comfortable speaking for the rest of 1510 01:13:43,010 --> 01:13:44,199 the neighbors and in two 1511 01:13:44,199 --> 01:13:50,819 as a body we've kind of made decisions that are comparable 1512 01:13:50,819 --> 01:13:52,840 to this decision in 1513 01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,979 the past so I'm just trying to reconcile that so any 1514 01:13:55,979 --> 01:13:57,319 insight I'd welcome 1515 01:13:57,319 --> 01:14:03,880 commissioner Taylor thank you chair so in regard to the 1516 01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,800 United Way project a 1517 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:12,720 couple months ago I think I was also I didn't feel I did 1518 01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:13,640 feel it had an impact 1519 01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,520 on the neighborhood and it's a really it was across the 1520 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,239 back it was a five or so 1521 01:14:19,239 --> 01:14:25,949 acre parcel across the back fence from a row of houses and 1522 01:14:25,949 --> 01:14:29,159 I think the the so the 1523 01:14:29,159 --> 01:14:32,420 future land use plan that had been in place since before 1524 01:14:32,420 --> 01:14:33,840 the 2030 plan since 1525 01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:39,350 since the 2020 plan I believe it did have that area 1526 01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:41,439 indicated as industrial 1527 01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:45,500 and so I felt like we could have handled that project 1528 01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:47,479 better I felt like if it had 1529 01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:51,199 been zoned into one of the NR categories it would have 1530 01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:52,560 provided a better buffer 1531 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:57,869 and I felt like there was risk because we zoned it in a 1532 01:14:57,869 --> 01:14:59,039 potentially light 1533 01:14:59,039 --> 01:15:01,989 industrial use that something really noxious could have 1534 01:15:01,989 --> 01:15:03,079 gone in behind that 1535 01:15:03,079 --> 01:15:06,569 back the back fences of those neighborhoods and I just have 1536 01:15:06,569 --> 01:15:07,640 to rely on 1537 01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:12,350 trusting United Way wouldn't do that and so I think if the 1538 01:15:12,350 --> 01:15:13,479 balance of the future 1539 01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:19,210 land use plan in that area and and the fact that it would 1540 01:15:19,210 --> 01:15:21,479 provide some buffer 1541 01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:28,000 was was what swayed me on that project and I do agree this 1542 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,520 you know this isn't 1543 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,979 the worst thing ever and it's not going to you know destroy 1544 01:15:32,979 --> 01:15:33,800 this neighborhood 1545 01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,899 but I do think it will have negative impact over over a 1546 01:15:36,899 --> 01:15:38,119 long period of time 1547 01:15:38,119 --> 01:15:41,109 and if there are empty rental houses across the street 1548 01:15:41,109 --> 01:15:42,479 right now you know 1549 01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:46,869 those will be less likely to become owner-occupied over 1550 01:15:46,869 --> 01:15:49,319 time if there is a 1551 01:15:49,319 --> 01:15:52,420 duplex of you know guaranteed permanent rental directly 1552 01:15:52,420 --> 01:15:53,680 across the street from 1553 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:57,829 them so you're kind of guaranteeing that there will be more 1554 01:15:57,829 --> 01:15:58,600 rentals in this 1555 01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:02,600 neighborhood it will be less owner-occupied as time goes 1556 01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,119 forward 1557 01:16:09,039 --> 01:16:13,829 seeing no more requests to speak I will restate the motion 1558 01:16:13,829 --> 01:16:15,760 the motion before us 1559 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:20,680 is to deny the rezoning request and I have a second on that 1560 01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,600 and I see no other 1561 01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:27,199 request to speak so I will call for a vote on the board 1562 01:16:37,079 --> 01:16:45,739 the motion fails four to zero I'm sorry for two apologize I 1563 01:16:45,739 --> 01:16:46,960 saw the zero on the 1564 01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,420 end so I read the last thing came out my mouth first for 1565 01:16:50,420 --> 01:16:53,159 opposed to in favor the 1566 01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:56,039 motion fails 1567 01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:04,239 Commissioner Rizzo I'd like to make a motion to go ahead 1568 01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:05,479 and approve this 1569 01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:13,880 agenda item Commissioner Beck chair I would maybe I don't 1570 01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:14,800 know if I can do this 1571 01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:19,079 at a time I would second the motion but I would like to 1572 01:17:19,079 --> 01:17:21,640 emphasize the need for a 1573 01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:25,300 north buffer is there some way I can this can be a part of 1574 01:17:25,300 --> 01:17:27,520 that approval no 1575 01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,529 we can't put that in with our zoning but I think we had in 1576 01:17:30,529 --> 01:17:31,960 our work session that 1577 01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,520 if it is with the duplex on there that it would require a 1578 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:36,960 10-foot buffer I 1579 01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,720 believe that's one of the development code requirements is 1580 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:41,000 that correct staff 1581 01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:47,789 okay okay did I second the motion okay any other requests 1582 01:17:47,789 --> 01:17:49,399 to speak on this 1583 01:17:49,399 --> 01:17:57,319 motion we have a first and a second and the motion before 1584 01:17:57,319 --> 01:17:59,319 us is to approve the 1585 01:17:59,319 --> 01:18:04,460 zoning as requested I'm in our three to in our six any 1586 01:18:04,460 --> 01:18:07,880 other requests to speak 1587 01:18:08,319 --> 01:18:12,680 seeing none I'll call for a vote on the board 1588 01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:27,819 motion carries four to two thank you everyone the next item 1589 01:18:27,819 --> 01:18:29,600 on our agenda 1590 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:34,529 this evening will be to discuss our project matrix and any 1591 01:18:34,529 --> 01:18:36,159 concluding items 1592 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:48,600 none at 720 Commissioner back she's we would like to talk 1593 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,600 with Commissioner 1594 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,600 Briggs about this if we could discuss at some future time 1595 01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,079 or maybe I just need to 1596 01:18:56,079 --> 01:19:00,310 put a balloon out there to think about the possibility of 1597 01:19:00,310 --> 01:19:01,680 some competition 1598 01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:08,859 between our Commission City Council perhaps even the the 1599 01:19:08,859 --> 01:19:10,000 other Commission 1600 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:17,880 that traffic safe yes bicycle race on the square and not 1601 01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,720 just to you know the 1602 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,239 public will have a warmer feeling with its elected 1603 01:19:23,239 --> 01:19:24,560 officials and its public 1604 01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,859 servants and to promote the use of bicycles so something 1605 01:19:27,859 --> 01:19:28,680 that maybe we 1606 01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,439 could address in the future 1607 01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:42,800 we'll add that to the matrix any other items seeing none at 1608 01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:44,560 722 I'm going to 1609 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,319 close our meeting for this evening thank you everyone