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meeting our work session for April the 13th 2016. It is 5.

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05. Our meeting has

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been duly posted and we have a quorum present and our first

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order of business

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in our work session is going to be to receive clarification

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of agenda items

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and I will turn that over to Manal for presentation. Thank

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you Chairperson Strange.

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We have a few plots on the agenda if you'd be interested in

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going through

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those we can do that. If you have any questions on a

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specific plot we can

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address those. Commissioner Beck. I do have a couple of

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questions probably

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nothing we can deal with but yeah a couple of them. Okay.

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Something popped up.

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Okay should we address them one by one which plot? Okay.

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Okay on PP15-0024 the Meadow Oaks Division. It mentioned

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that the proposed

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residential lots exceed the maximum permitted density of

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four dwellings units

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per acre however based upon a continuous level permitting

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and planning. In other words

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we can do this anyway because of something that was done in

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1970. So can

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I get that clarified? I'll invite Julie Wyatt to go ahead

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and go over this plot and explain the

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technicalities associated with it. I mean I looked at the

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lots on the houses that

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are already there and got a little measure in there and it

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didn't look like they're that much bigger so how are we

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getting more?

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Well the current zoning, let me make sure I have my, is NR4

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and so the

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existing the 43 lots exceeds the permitted density for NR4,

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four

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dwelling units per acre. This Meadow Oaks edition was

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originally plotted in 1970

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since that preliminary or the preliminary plot was approved

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in 1970.

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Since that time there have been a series of final plots

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done and permits that

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have been pulled developing those residential lots ever

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since then. So last

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summer the property owner approached us and requested a

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vested rights

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determination and at that time we looked at the request and

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legal looked at it as

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well as the city manager and determined that because those

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permits had continued

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to be pulled and those plots had continued to be approved

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that it was

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vested to what was approved in 1970. So it's a little more

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dense than what is

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typically permitted in NR4 but because of the vested rights

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that's why it's

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why it's got that little those additional lots.

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Nothing real noticeable so let's see, let's see, the other

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one, CB 16-02, that's, is it, Beverly's and Bitt Mike's.

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Oh okay, do we know exactly what DME is going to use that

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lot for? Because you got three houses that I think people

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are living in now. Just curious.

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Mike Bell will address them.

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I think I can find it up here.

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Doesn't seem to be up here but I think it's this lot right

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here. Yeah that's kind of the side of, part of that is the

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existing substation right now.

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And when the new substation comes in that's going to be dec

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ommissioned but they don't have any plans for it at this

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time.

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Okay, it could stay vacant then. Okay, okay. Thank you.

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And then lastly FP 16-02, Bill, Judge Carmel.

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There is that one area that is called the upland habitat

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and environmental sensitive area so we're not building on

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that, that's correct, right?

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That's correct. Actually this entire lot is under contract

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with the Parks Department to be purchased for a park.

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We've got right away there for the future post oak road.

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That's correct.

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Okay, very good. Thank you. That's it.

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Seeing no other plaque questions I'm actually going to, yes

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, sorry.

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Sorry, I should flip the page.

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FP 15-035, Teesley trails.

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There is an existing pond there, very big one.

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I'm just curious, it looks like according to the plans we

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're going to build over that so is that going to be plowed

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over?

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I have a picture of it right here.

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Let's see if I can rotate it so we...

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Was it on the print, the plat?

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Let's see, let me see where you're...

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So here's the existing houses right here to the north.

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I guess Teesley kind of does this thing.

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I'm not sure where exactly you're looking at, but this is

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in conformance with the preliminary plot that was approved.

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If there are any ponds on site or any drainage areas on

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site, they would have to accommodate for that.

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the storm sewer.

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Maybe I was just, I got on Google, got the Google map and

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got down in the general area and I thought it looked like

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right there.

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Because again, where are the houses that are already in

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existence there to this development?

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This is that road that's cutting in now right off of Tees

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Are you saying houses north of there?

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point Teesley is going north and south.

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Let me get to...now it's going to be slow.

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Let's see if we can figure out.

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Get on the same page here.

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Maybe.

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So are you talking about this pond?

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This is south of there.

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So it's kind of hard to see because on these maps the parc

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els aren't reflecting what you're seeing.

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So this little section right here lines up with,

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approximately with this section.

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So that pond is north of this development.

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So yes sir, this area, the platted area is going to be more

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in this general direction.

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That's it.

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For sure.

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Any other questions on plats?

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We'll move on to our next presentation.

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The next presentation is for the ADP 160003B.

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I'm going to ask Mike Belt to make this presentation.

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Thank you, and all members of the commission.

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All right.

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So this is ADP 160003.

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This is an alternative development plan.

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So for those in the audience, this is a request to deviate

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from site design standards only,

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and those are located in subchapter 13 of the development

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code.

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This is not a zoning issue.

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It's not a platting issue.

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It's strictly site design regulations.

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The subject property is roughly shown here in yellow.

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It's located on the south side of Fannin Street.

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The University of North Texas is up here to the north.

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35 East is located down here.

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It's kind of in an eclectic area with a mix of housing

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types.

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It's in a downtown residential two zoning district, which

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allows multifamily,

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which is what they're trying to build here.

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And it's in a future language area, neighborhood university

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compatibility area.

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So the comp plan has called this out as an area that's

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going to see a mix of housing types

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and a bit of a transition as it goes from what was a single

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family neighborhood

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to more mix of housing types.

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What you can see here is a proposed site plan.

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It contains two buildings that are proposed for immediate

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development

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and then one kind of reserved.

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They'll build one here in the future.

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It's got the parking spaces and the sidewalk directly from

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the street to serve the property.

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How this deviates from the site design standards.

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First of all, there's a requirement that for multifamily

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buildings

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that at least 50% of the frontage have buildings within 20

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feet of the curb.

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So what that means is if you take 20 feet back from the

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curb, you draw this line across it,

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50% of that needs to be touched by building at some point.

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This standard is really kind of more for large scale

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developments,

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not meant for this kind of small lot type of one or two

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unit buildings.

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iate from is that buildings

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shall be directly accessed from the street and sidewalk,

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and that one ground floor entrance be oriented towards the

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street and include a porch.

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The African originally intended to do a, or proposed to do

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kind of a false door here

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with a landing and no connectivity to the sidewalk to kind

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of meet that provision.

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We all thought it was best just not to have a fake door and

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enhance the elevations a little bit.

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So that's what they proposed to do.

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And that's where it would be required by code.

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That right arrow is there instead going to do it right here

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on this walkway.

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And to kind of mitigate those requirements, provide a

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little enhanced aesthetics.

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They're going to do 100% masonry and stone on the buildings

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The north side is what you'll see from the street right

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here.

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I will note that the applicant did take, we did work with

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the applicant to screen the stairwell.

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So they went above and beyond to make this screening here

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so you won't see it from the street.

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And then all four sides are masonry or brick.

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To give you an idea of what the landscaping will be, so it

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's not just building front.

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There will be landscaping along the front and in front of

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the parking spaces as well.

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Just kind of put that site plan reference of what's around

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it to give you an idea of scale.

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It's completely in scale with what's around there in height

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and size and density.

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And planning feels that it's an appropriate request.

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So staff does recommend approval of the ADP.

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We're going to recommend a few conditions.

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One, that it comply with the site plan, landscape plan and

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elevations.

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One, that the building facades be 100% masonry or brick as

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they're proposing.

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And third, this is just clarification for the future to let

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everybody know that one additional building is going to

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come in.

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long as they comply with all our requirements.

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Just to make that clear.

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So with that I'll take any questions you might have.

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Commissioner Detowich.

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>> In essence, it's going to be further from the road than

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originally, which is kind of nice.

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And they're turning the building sideways instead of having

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the front sidewalk coming up to a door or patio.

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So it's really kind of enhancing, I think, what they're

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building here compared to what it would have to be to meet

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code originally.

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>> Considering the neighborhood and the narrow width of the

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lot, I think it's appropriate as well.

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>> Commissioner Weigel.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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Mike, can you show me where there might be a sidewalk on F

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Is the sidewalk that's built on the property, does that

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connect with another sidewalk that's already?

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>> It does not.

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>> Is the applicant proposing to build a sidewalk on Fannin

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There's a high pedestrian area really close to UNT.

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There's a lot of students that live there.

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Are they going to be walking in the street or are they

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going to be making like a path in the grass as they try and

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stay?

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>> What they'll be doing is connecting, they will be

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connecting from the driveway here, but not connecting the

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entire width.

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They're going to do payment in lieu of construction as

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there aren't any other sidewalks.

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>> Are there other sidewalks in the neighborhood?

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>> There are not.

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>> But doesn't it require, don't we require new

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developments to build a sidewalk so that when other new

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developments come in, eventually we'll have sidewalks

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everywhere?

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>> We do, typically.

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Engineering allowed payment in lieu of, in this case, and

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we'll come back and put the sidewalk in at a future date.

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>> So someone will put a sidewalk in later?

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>> They're paying the cost to put a sidewalk in to the city

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so that we can come back in later and do it.

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I don't know if there are any imminent plans at this point,

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but that's the purpose of the payment.

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>> I see. Okay, so the applicant is not building a sidewalk

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now.

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They're giving money to the city so that whenever that,

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whenever Fannin gets redone, a sidewalk will be built at

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least on that stretch,

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or will a sidewalk eventually be built along the whole

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length of that block?

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Explain that to me a little bit more.

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When are we getting a sidewalk?

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>> That I don't know.

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The payment is paid so that if they do ever come in and do

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a project on Fannin, that money can go towards putting a

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sidewalk in on the entire stretch of Fannin.

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>> How often do other developers do that?

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I mean, wouldn't it make more sense to have the developer

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just, if there's no immediate plans to rebuild Fannin,

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why wouldn't we just require the applicant to build the

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sidewalk like we would require any developer to build a

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sidewalk?

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>> And then when the city does eventually go back in and

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repair the street, then we would repair or stay off of the

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sidewalk or repair the sidewalk at the same time.

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I mean, it just, it seems a little backwards to me to have

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them pay that and then maybe we do a sidewalk 15 years from

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now, but we kind of need one now.

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>> I wish I had a better answer for you for that.

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Unfortunately, that's kind of, our engineering department

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makes that decision.

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And it is, it's uncommon that they do that in areas where

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there aren't a lot of sidewalks.

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I'm sure that's something we could get engineering in here

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to explain maybe.

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>> It sounds like a bigger problem we might need to talk

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about as a team.

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>> Sure. >> Okay, all right, thank you.

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>> Commissioner Rossell.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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Before we question, listening to your comments, recall

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Commissioner Dudowitz talking about how that was a

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requirement for one of your businesses and you have a

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sidewalk to nowhere, or you have a road to nowhere.

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>> I'm the only one that has a sidewalk and within half a

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mile of the side of me.

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>> So I understand what you're saying, but I also am

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conflicted on a sidewalk to nowhere.

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Someone's going to be walking on grass and get a great

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sidewalk just to be back on grass.

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So, and who knows if when fanning gets redone, if it ever

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gets redone, if that would have to tear up a sidewalk and

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then you're duplicating efforts.

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So I think I'm okay with the sidewalk issue.

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But the question I have is, does the ADP not have to put

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out notice?

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>> No, it does not.

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>> But the ADP we had for the S that does require notice.

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>> Alternative ESA, it's given an ADP name because we don't

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have another acronym for it.

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But that is part of our zoning map and so it does require

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notice.

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>> Got you. Thank you.

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>> Commissioner Beck.

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>> There's no tree mitigation with this change.

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I notice they're removing three secondary trees and one

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large secondary tree.

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>> Yes, it's been reviewed by our forester and they will be

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required to mitigate those trees.

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>> Okay.

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>> Thank you, Mike.

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>> The next item on our agenda would be a zoning case and

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an SUP to be heard at the same time.

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For 160002 and SUP150014, Julie White will be presenting

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this.

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Thanks, Julie.

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>> Good evening.

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All right.

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This request is to consider a rezoning from NR3 to NR6 and

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also a specific use permit for elderly housing.

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Just to orient you to the site, here is North Carroll.

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The property is right here. You're probably familiar with

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the Denton Rehab.

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And there is residential development to the north and also

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to the east.

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To the south, there's some religious institutions.

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Also the fairgrounds are here.

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And then farther south is the Denton Center.

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To the west, you then have some additional elderly housing

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and some undeveloped property.

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So to take you back in time, just give you a little

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background on what's happened on this site.

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So in 1964, it was an open piece of property.

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You can see there is some residential development to the

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north.

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There is some development, residential development in this

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area.

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Fairgrounds are there and then the Denton Center is there.

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Skip ahead to 1972.

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The previous codes did allow this use in the zoning

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district in which it was located.

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And so here you have the subject property.

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The first section of the facility had been built.

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It was built in 1969.

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There was more residential development to the north, a

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little more in this area.

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In 1997, they had come back for an SUP to add on this

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section in the back.

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The neighborhood just to the north, the adjacent

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neighborhood had begun and so houses were being built there

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.

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And then it looks to be that this area here was pretty much

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built out.

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And then in 2001, the neighborhood just to the north was

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pretty much complete.

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And it had built adjacent to the property.

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And then all other elements seemed to have remained the

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same.

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So last fall, maybe late last summer, the applicant

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submitted for a building permit in order to update the

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facility to meet more industry standards today.

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So update the facility, get some new elements to it.

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In that building permit, they requested to remove one of

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these wings and then one of these wings and add this new

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wing here.

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The net result, the net square footage that would be

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proposed is about 5,300 square feet in addition to what's

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on the ground now.

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So they're taking some, they're adding some, so it would be

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a net of about an additional 5,300 square feet.

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Here zooms in a little bit to what they're proposing.

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They are proposing to meet that 15 foot buffer that is

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required adjacent to the single family residential.

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But this is really all that they're asking to change on the

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property.

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Here's the landscape plan that goes with that.

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Here are the plantings that are required per that type C 15

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foot landscape buffer.

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Within this modification and renovation, they're also

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proposing a landscape courtyard in the center.

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And here it is pulled out, some additional landscaping.

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Also within the building permit, they had an updated

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elevation currently, and you can see how the building

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currently looks now.

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It's a masonry building.

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It's one story.

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It's somewhat residential in nature.

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With this request and with this renovation, they would add

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some additional decorative elements to the building.

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Also add a steeper pitch to the roof, some rock elements to

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the front.

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Here's the rendering of what they're proposing.

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So when we got that building permit, we looked at it.

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We realized that the use was not permitted in the zoning

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district in which it sits.

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In 2002, the city was rezoned citywide, and some new zoning

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districts were applied.

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In this case, it was NR3.

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NR3 does not permit elderly housing.

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So we discussed this with the applicant, and we talked

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about how they should move forward.

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And so they came back to us proposing a neighborhood

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residential 6 zoning district with an SUP for the elderly

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housing use.

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So here's the future land use map.

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As you can see, north of -- here's the site right here.

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North of the site, there is a low density residential

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future land use designation.

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The site is in the middle of a moderate density residential

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future land use designation.

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And then down here near university, as you get closer to

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the Denton Center and the development on university, you

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have community mixed use.

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So when we look at the criteria for approval for both

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zoning and SUP, really the first place we start is the

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future land use.

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This future land use designation of moderate density

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residential, the intent is to have more residential

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development with a density of about 4 to 12 dwelling units

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per acre.

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This should complement the existing established

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neighborhoods.

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This is often in infill areas.

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But it should also provide a transition area.

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So between -- let's go back to the map.

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So between the low density residential and then the

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commercial, you can see that this is a great example of

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where moderate density residential should be.

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Because it really provides a transition zone between the

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more suburban low density development and the commercial

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development.

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It also provides a buffer between those two designations.

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Other considerations we looked at.

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Well, first of all, so the proposed NR6 does meet the

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intent of the moderate density future land use designation.

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The maximum density is six dwelling units per acre.

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It has primarily residential uses, so it would complement

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the character and what's existing out there.

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So if the property ever did redevelop, it would be

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compatible with what it's adjacent to.

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It's also the -- it also provides the transition between

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the low density residential, that NR3 and NR4 to the north.

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And then the NRMU, the more commercial districts to the

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south.

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When we look at the SUP, this facility has been there since

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1969.

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The residential has developed adjacent to it.

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So when staff looks at that and when we look at what an

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elderly housing use is, we really think in terms of what

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the use is, that is appropriate for residential areas.

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Where we can run into difficulty sometimes with elderly

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housing is maybe on the scale and the design.

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And so that's why the SUP is important.

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Because you can look at the scale, the design of what they

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're proposing, and make sure that it fits within the

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character and

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it is appropriate within the surrounding area.

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In this case, staff does feel it's appropriate.

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We feel like what they're proposing is really a

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continuation of what's been existing out there for quite a

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while.

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Additionally, due to the scope of what they're proposing,

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there's no substantial increase in traffic.

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They're not increasing the beds.

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They're really kind of reconfiguring how the beds and how

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the space is laid out.

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Permitting the existing elderly housing to expand wouldn't

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prevent the adjacent properties from developing with the

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residential land use pattern.

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And we feel that the use is compatible with residential

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development.

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Public notification was sent out.

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We've received two in favor, one of them being the

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applicant and two neutral.

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Based upon the considerations that I've discussed and the

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criteria for approval in the Denton Development Code,

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staff does recommend approval of the zoning case and also

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approval of the specific use permit for the elderly housing

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.

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With the following conditions, it must substantially comply

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with the site plan and the landscape plan.

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And that includes a maximum building square footage of 60,7

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30 square feet.

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They must maintain that type C buffer adjacent to the

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neighborhood.

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We want to make sure that those uses are, that they mesh

518
00:25:21,910 --> 00:25:22,920
together well.

519
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,920
And we believe that that buffer would help in that.

520
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,920
And that no additional parking spaces would be permitted.

521
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,920
So I'll stand for any questions.

522
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,920
Commissioner Hussbett.

523
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,920
Can you give me, how did we arrive at 60,730?

524
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,920
That's what they're proposing.

525
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,920
That's the size of the building that they're proposing.

526
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,920
So we wanted to make sure that that was maximum.

527
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,920
If they did intend to come back and do a larger building

528
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,920
that they would need to come back and get a new SUP.

529
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,329
Because staff would need to look at that and make sure that

530
00:26:02,329 --> 00:26:06,920
it remained compatible with the adjacent residential.

531
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:06,920
Continue.

532
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,920
Thank you.

533
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,230
Have they given an indication that that is, I mean,

534
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:13,920
obviously it's, I mean, it's a need.

535
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,920
And it's a growing industry.

536
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:17,920
Sure.

537
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,920
And so I understand the methodology to have them come back.

538
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,359
But have they expressed, I mean, because I think that is

539
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,470
going to, ultimately I think it will come up, especially

540
00:26:29,470 --> 00:26:30,920
with all the land in the back.

541
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,920
You know, so it's kind of.

542
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,920
They have a phase two that they are proposing.

543
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,019
But this is not a part of this request because they're just

544
00:26:38,019 --> 00:26:40,920
, they're not ready to move forward with that yet.

545
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,839
Also within NR6, there is a maximum lot coverage that they

546
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:45,920
have to meet.

547
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,940
And that was really important to staff because we wanted to

548
00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:51,920
make sure the scale stayed compatible with the area.

549
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,240
So we'll just have to look at what they propose when they

550
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,920
come forward with that.

551
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,740
And we just wanted to limit the size at this point and we

552
00:26:59,740 --> 00:27:01,920
can review it further when it comes in.

553
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:02,920
Does that answer your question?

554
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:03,920
Yes.

555
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:04,920
Kind of.

556
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,920
Thank you.

557
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,920
Commissioner Rosell.

558
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,950
I'm not sure if this is possible, but this response that we

559
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:15,920
have here, I'm kind of confused.

560
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,920
If there's clarity to be had, I'd love it.

561
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,920
If not, I'll live with my confusion.

562
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,359
If I'm reading this correctly, it says I'm assuming the

563
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,299
nursing home is expanding its size so that some building

564
00:27:25,299 --> 00:27:26,920
would be directly behind my property.

565
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:27,920
Explanation point.

566
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,920
But it's listed as a neutral.

567
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,920
Yes.

568
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,220
And so I'm confused about, so I spoke to this person, he

569
00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:37,660
was just telling us what's happening and he's neutral to it

570
00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:37,920
or if.

571
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,920
I have not spoken with the person, but I saw that as well.

572
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:41,920
Okay.

573
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,920
He hasn't contacted me further on it.

574
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,920
Okay.

575
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,920
Thanks.

576
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:48,920
Commissioner Dedowitz.

577
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:49,920
Two questions.

578
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,920
Can you bring up the site location map, please?

579
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:55,920
Correct.

580
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,920
What's the building directly to the south?

581
00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:59,920
It's a church, it's a religious institution.

582
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:01,920
Religious, and then what's to the south of that?

583
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,920
Religious institution.

584
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,920
I'm sorry?

585
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:04,920
Religious institution.

586
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:10,920
All right, can you now bring up the zoning map, please?

587
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:11,920
Okay.

588
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,920
So that's the site, which is outlined in black.

589
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,920
We are recommending, or you're recommending, an NR6.

590
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,210
And what the subcommittee has been wrestling with is, okay,

591
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:27,410
we make that an NR6, and now within that whole square block

592
00:28:27,410 --> 00:28:31,920
area, we have a NR, what is it, an NR3.

593
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,069
So my point is, you know, here we are at cookie cutting

594
00:28:36,069 --> 00:28:40,420
again, and should we not look at this as, and do the whole

595
00:28:40,420 --> 00:28:45,009
thing as a, and make it compatible, make it all NR6 or NRMU

596
00:28:45,009 --> 00:28:50,920
12 or whatever, so that area there is compatible.

597
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,920
I had some of the same, because if you'll look at the,

598
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,769
really, this is kind of the first zoning case to match what

599
00:28:58,769 --> 00:29:00,920
the future land use is.

600
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,920
And we struggle with that as staff.

601
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,490
We address the cases that come before us, and I know that

602
00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:11,269
our long-range planning arm is working toward identifying

603
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:14,829
those areas where we need to get moving and make sure that

604
00:29:14,829 --> 00:29:17,920
our zoning matches our future land use map.

605
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,490
For the purpose of communicating with the whole commission,

606
00:29:21,490 --> 00:29:24,789
the last meeting, subcommittee meeting, we looked at one

607
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:26,920
little piece, and it made sense.

608
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,049
And it took us all about three seconds to say that was a

609
00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:33,400
good idea, and then we asked staff to say, well, don't

610
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,289
bring us one at a time, bring us a number of these things

611
00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:38,920
so that we can get them done quickly, because some of them

612
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,440
are no brainers, and this might be one of those situations

613
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,549
where that whole thing should be rezoned because of what's

614
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:47,319
there now and what's going to be anticipated as well as

615
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:48,920
what, you know, we know.

616
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,099
So if that's the case, is we just able to, not able to, do

617
00:29:53,099 --> 00:29:59,730
this now but come back and rezone that already? Okay. Thank

618
00:29:59,730 --> 00:30:01,920
you.

619
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,920
Anybody else? I have a question.

620
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,920
Will you go to the staff recommendations, please?

621
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,920
With the conditions.

622
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,829
Is there a reason why we don't have, why we're limiting

623
00:30:14,829 --> 00:30:16,920
their additional parking spaces?

624
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,079
They're actually over-parked at this point, per our elderly

625
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:22,920
housing requirements.

626
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,490
We're not asking that they remove those and chunk those up

627
00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:26,920
now.

628
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:42,359
So at this point, we don't foresee or need additional

629
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:48,089
parking spaces. If they did come back for another SUP, that

630
00:30:48,089 --> 00:30:48,359
might be something that staff would then, you know, either

631
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:48,599
not recommend as a condition or we would just have to look

632
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:48,920
and see what they're proposing.

633
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,039
So they didn't ask for any additional? No. So they feel

634
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:53,920
like it's sufficient then?

635
00:30:53,920 --> 00:31:00,950
Okay. I just was concerned with them expanding that we'll

636
00:31:00,950 --> 00:31:04,299
be back and the reason that that comment got put in there,

637
00:31:04,299 --> 00:31:06,920
if there was a pushback or why it was there.

638
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,089
We want to make sure that it stays, you know, a low

639
00:31:11,089 --> 00:31:13,920
intensity and compatible use.

640
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:19,420
So. Well, I understand that, but I guess where I'm going

641
00:31:19,420 --> 00:31:22,210
with this, they've been there since the 60s before all

642
00:31:22,210 --> 00:31:23,920
these other people are there.

643
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,019
And so now we need to worry about what everybody else has

644
00:31:27,019 --> 00:31:31,329
done that's coming around them and put limitations on this

645
00:31:31,329 --> 00:31:35,049
particular business versus these guys were there when

646
00:31:35,049 --> 00:31:37,430
nobody else was there and now we're concerned that they're

647
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:38,920
impacting other people.

648
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:46,920
That seems a little backwards to me. Just an observation.

649
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:59,849
Commissioner Hussbett. And to your point, there is, there

650
00:31:59,849 --> 00:32:00,670
are two parking lots on the backside there that are pretty

651
00:32:00,670 --> 00:32:00,920
good size.

652
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,920
I had to go there and serve somebody.

653
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,920
So I was there recently.

654
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,750
There's not much that's what I'm saying. There's there's

655
00:32:10,750 --> 00:32:15,369
not much in the back. There's limited usage up front, but

656
00:32:15,369 --> 00:32:17,920
in the back it's it's pretty.

657
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:26,920
Thanks for scoping it out for us.

658
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:34,920
What he's got to do with any other questions.

659
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,920
Thank you, Julie.

660
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:57,920
Ron just showed up in time.

661
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,920
That whole area should be re looked at.

662
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,519
Yes, well, just just north of there too. I mean, we have

663
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:09,700
one yellow block is shown is all in our three but we got

664
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:12,920
two churches in this and baking property there.

665
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,819
And it's it's a good it's like a piece of a of a of an R3

666
00:33:17,819 --> 00:33:24,920
is being taken out of.

667
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,920
Okay.

668
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:33,079
We don't talk about the bill another item this matrix to me

669
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:34,920
about that.

670
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,630
I believe Commissioner Beck would like to add during the

671
00:33:37,630 --> 00:33:40,339
regular meeting towards the end for future agenda items so

672
00:33:40,339 --> 00:33:42,809
we can bring that up then and add it to the matrix but if

673
00:33:42,809 --> 00:33:46,160
there any questions with what's in your packet as it

674
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,750
relates to the matrix, I'd be happy to address those or

675
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:52,920
discuss those.

676
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,920
I don't see any.

677
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:02,140
Early and having no other items of business on our work

678
00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:06,799
session we've covered them all. It is 540 and we'll close

679
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:11,670
the work session and we're going to reconvene for our

680
00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:16,920
regular meeting and council chambers at six.

681
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,840
Good evening and welcome to the city of Denton planning and

682
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,920
zoning meeting. It is 630 on April the 13th.

683
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,539
And our meeting has been duly posted and we have a quorum

684
00:34:27,539 --> 00:34:30,340
present, and I'm going to call our meeting to order at this

685
00:34:30,340 --> 00:34:30,920
time.

686
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:37,880
Our first order of business is to sand for the US and Texas

687
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:38,920
flag.

688
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:44,219
I believe you can apply to the United States of America,

689
00:34:44,219 --> 00:34:49,639
and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under

690
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:54,920
God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

691
00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:13,849
I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state under God, one

692
00:35:13,849 --> 00:35:15,920
indivisible.

693
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,449
Just as a point of order on our agenda tonight, we do not

694
00:35:21,449 --> 00:35:25,360
have a set of minutes to review. I assume those will come

695
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:25,920
before our next meeting.

696
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:36,920
With that said, I will move on to our consent agenda.

697
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,920
Commissioner Beck.

698
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,920
I move we approve the consent agenda.

699
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,920
Commissioner Bruegel.

700
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,920
I second.

701
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,030
The first and the second, any discussion on the consent

702
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:49,920
agenda?

703
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:58,920
Seeing none, I call for a vote on the board.

704
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:05,920
Motion passes six to zero with one absent.

705
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,920
That moves us to agenda item number three.

706
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:15,920
Items for individual consideration.

707
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,920
Item A, ADP 16-0003.

708
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,920
I believe that will be presented by Mike Bell.

709
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,920
Thank you, Chair, members of the commission.

710
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,920
This project is ADP 16-3.

711
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,630
It's an alternative development plan that would allow a

712
00:36:31,630 --> 00:36:34,920
multifamily development to deviate from some of the design

713
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,090
standards in subchapter 13 regarding building location and

714
00:36:38,090 --> 00:36:38,920
orientation.

715
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,920
We presented more detail in the work session.

716
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,750
But generally the small acreage and narrow width of this

717
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:46,920
lot are factors that limit strict compliance with the DDC.

718
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,349
The proposed site plan is consistent with what's around in

719
00:36:50,349 --> 00:36:52,920
the area and meets the intent of the code.

720
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,519
Staff does have a recommendation of approval with

721
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:57,920
conditions that are listed in your backup.

722
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,920
I'd be happy to go through anything more in detail.

723
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:05,920
I do know the applicant is also here to speak.

724
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,920
Any questions for staff?

725
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:19,920
Thank you, Mike.

726
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,920
Since this is not public hearing, Commissioner Rosell.

727
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,710
I motion to approve the agenda item with the staff's

728
00:37:29,710 --> 00:37:31,920
conditions listed.

729
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:32,920
Commissioner Hesbeth.

730
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,920
Second.

731
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,920
The first and the second.

732
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,949
And now we will recognize Commissioner Bruegel for

733
00:37:40,949 --> 00:37:41,920
discussion.

734
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:42,920
Thank you, Chair.

735
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,159
I just want to say once again, I love when we get these inf

736
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:46,920
ill developments coming our way.

737
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,739
It's a small, funky little piece of property in a high

738
00:37:49,739 --> 00:37:50,920
pedestrian area.

739
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,920
And I think it seems to fit well.

740
00:37:52,920 --> 00:38:02,920
And I just I'm always a fan of infills. So way to go.

741
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,869
Seeing no further discussion. Any other questions or

742
00:38:06,869 --> 00:38:08,920
discussion?

743
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:20,920
Seeing none, we will call for a vote on the board.

744
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,920
Motion carries six zero.

745
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:31,219
We'll move us to item four on our agenda tonight, our

746
00:38:31,219 --> 00:38:32,920
public hearings.

747
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,860
At this time, I'm going to open the public hearing for item

748
00:38:36,860 --> 00:38:44,199
A Z 16 dash zero zero zero two and S 15 dash zero zero one

749
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:45,920
four.

750
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,920
I don't know. Do we have the applicant here?

751
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,619
And if the applicant is here, we'd like to hear from you

752
00:38:55,619 --> 00:38:58,920
first, please present your project.

753
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,739
Since this is a public hearing, anybody is going to wish to

754
00:39:01,739 --> 00:39:02,920
speak on this item.

755
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,440
If you will either go ahead and fill out a card for us

756
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,219
before you speak or at the time that you do come up and

757
00:39:08,219 --> 00:39:12,920
speak, please fill out a card for us before you leave.

758
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,599
Thank you. If you'll give your name and address and present

759
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:17,920
your project.

760
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:23,469
My name is Chad Benson. I live at 1600 Pecan Point, McKin

761
00:39:23,469 --> 00:39:24,920
ney Drive.

762
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,920
Or Pecan Point in McKinney.

763
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,920
Thank you.

764
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,719
I am one of the owners of the project and we have been in

765
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,920
business since 1969 caring for the elderly.

766
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,719
The site has been there for a long time. It was originally

767
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:48,119
built in 69, modified and added to in mid 80s, added again

768
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:49,920
in the 90s.

769
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,019
And so it is time again to do a little refresh to the

770
00:39:53,019 --> 00:39:53,920
building.

771
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,369
So we would like to do that for just to keep up with the

772
00:39:57,369 --> 00:40:01,480
Joneses to to update the facility, to give provide better

773
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,880
care to the patients and make it more accessible for the

774
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,920
staff,

775
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:12,369
making it more modern and more applicable to modern medical

776
00:40:12,369 --> 00:40:12,920
care.

777
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,920
We're a five star rated facility. We have quality care.

778
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,050
So we would just now like to update our facility as well to

779
00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:19,920
match that.

780
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,920
Any questions?

781
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,019
I do have one question if you're done with your

782
00:40:24,019 --> 00:40:24,920
presentation.

783
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:25,920
Yeah.

784
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,920
Commissioner Beck.

785
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,920
Thank you, Chair.

786
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,789
As briefly as you can or whatever it takes, I'd be

787
00:40:32,789 --> 00:40:36,429
interested in hearing this, what you're doing the expansion

788
00:40:36,429 --> 00:40:36,920
for.

789
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,920
I found it interesting in the background material.

790
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,920
But could you just for purposes of letting the public know,

791
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,809
could you just give us a little bit of information on what

792
00:40:44,809 --> 00:40:45,920
you're going to be doing here, please?

793
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:46,920
You bet.

794
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,920
So in elderly care, we have two primary units.

795
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,920
We have what would be a short term unit.

796
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,239
So someone coming right out of the hospital, a knee or a

797
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,920
hip replacement, and they need 20 days of rehab.

798
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,920
Get them better. Get them home.

799
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,920
Then we have what would be a long term unit.

800
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,260
That would be more your traditional nursing home where

801
00:41:05,260 --> 00:41:07,920
people live there for five, ten years.

802
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,920
They can't care for themselves at home.

803
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,139
This would be an update, a refresh of making those short

804
00:41:14,139 --> 00:41:18,429
term care focused unit for those coming right out of the

805
00:41:18,429 --> 00:41:18,920
hospital,

806
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,000
private rooms, private showers, nice amenities, higher

807
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,000
medical standard of living for those patients coming out of

808
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:32,079
the hospital and giving them a nice place to be before they

809
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:32,920
go home.

810
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,920
So it would be a short term focused unit.

811
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:41,920
Great. Thank you.

812
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,239
The only question I would have is, I know there are several

813
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,269
conditions that we're going to place if this is move

814
00:41:46,269 --> 00:41:46,920
forward.

815
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,920
Do you have any objection to those conditions for approval?

816
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:50,920
Not at this time. No.

817
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:51,920
Okay. Great.

818
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,920
I see no further questions.

819
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,920
So thank you for your presentation.

820
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:06,599
This time I'll call on staff, which would be Julie Wyatt to

821
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:10,920
provide the staff report.

822
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,920
Good evening. Just as a summary for Z15-2 and S15-2.

823
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:15,920
Julie, if I could interrupt?

824
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,869
I want to make sure on my comments, anyone that will wish

825
00:42:18,869 --> 00:42:21,489
to speak as soon as the staff report is given, feel free to

826
00:42:21,489 --> 00:42:22,920
come forward at that time.

827
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,920
I'm sorry I didn't make that clear earlier.

828
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,349
So we'll certainly call on you as soon as Julie gives the

829
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:27,920
report.

830
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,920
Thank you.

831
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,489
Just as a summary of the request before you, it is a

832
00:42:32,489 --> 00:42:37,820
proposed rezoning from NR3 to NR6 and an SUP for elderly

833
00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:38,920
housing.

834
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,219
Staff has analyzed the proposal and finds that the request

835
00:42:43,219 --> 00:42:47,519
is consistent with the Denton Plan 2030 and that the use is

836
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:51,119
compatible with the adjacent surrounding residential and

837
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:52,920
institutional development.

838
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,949
Staff does recommend approval with conditions that the

839
00:42:57,949 --> 00:43:03,400
development conform to the attached site plan and landscape

840
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,920
plan, and that includes a maximum building square footage,

841
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,190
the maintenance of the type C buffer on the north property

842
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:14,920
line, and then no additional parking spaces.

843
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,920
I'll stand for any questions.

844
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,920
Any questions for staff? I see none.

845
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,920
Thank you, Julie.

846
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,949
At this time, this is a public hearing, so if there's

847
00:43:25,949 --> 00:43:28,380
anyone else who would like to speak on this item, please

848
00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:31,920
come forward at this time and give your name and address

849
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,920
and please fill out a card for us.

850
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,920
Where's the cards?

851
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,920
There should be cards after you give your comment.

852
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,309
There should be some either here or there's some outside on

853
00:43:41,309 --> 00:43:41,920
the table.

854
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:42,920
All right.

855
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,760
My name is Paul Bowers and I live in 505 Strata, and so

856
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,920
that's about 30 feet from my back door.

857
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,920
This is the first time I've -- this has come up.

858
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,280
I'm the first time a house owner, so this is all kind of

859
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:54,920
new to me.

860
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,920
But I just had a couple of brief questions.

861
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,920
One is you said that there would be a type C barrier.

862
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:01,920
I don't know what that means.

863
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,170
My concern is it's a chain link fence right now, and if

864
00:44:04,170 --> 00:44:06,769
they're going to start construction or something like that,

865
00:44:06,769 --> 00:44:07,920
would that be improved?

866
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,219
And then the second question is what kind of impact would

867
00:44:13,219 --> 00:44:17,920
that happen on the property values in the area?

868
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,920
I will call on staff.

869
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,920
Those are my two questions.

870
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,329
I think they can certainly speak to your first question

871
00:44:24,329 --> 00:44:26,980
about the -- I think what you're asking about is the type C

872
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:29,840
buffer is what that might be composed of and make into that

873
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,920
here from the dias.

874
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:31,920
Yes.

875
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,869
We'll put up the site plan and go over that with you, the

876
00:44:33,869 --> 00:44:35,920
landscape plan, to show you what's being proposed.

877
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:44,920
Okay.

878
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:45,920
All right.

879
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,920
A type C buffer is a 15-foot landscape buffer.

880
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,920
It includes, I believe, six deciduous and evergreen trees.

881
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,920
And let me verify the number of shrubs.

882
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,920
Is there a way to blow that up, Penny?

883
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:17,920
I can certainly try.

884
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,920
25 shrubs per linear feet.

885
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:26,920
Let's see if I can do this.

886
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:33,920
That didn't work.

887
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,269
So as you can see -- and also just to let you know, there

888
00:45:37,269 --> 00:45:40,920
is a small elevation change between the subject property

889
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,920
and the adjacent residential.

890
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,230
So the subject property is a little lower than the adjacent

891
00:45:47,230 --> 00:45:48,920
residential uses.

892
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,920
There is an existing tree line there.

893
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,489
And -- but many of those trees aren't on their property, so

894
00:45:56,489 --> 00:45:59,599
we wanted to make sure that that buffer was, you know, met

895
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:01,920
the code and was sufficient.

896
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,489
So there are trees here and there's a cluster here, cluster

897
00:46:05,489 --> 00:46:05,920
here.

898
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,920
There's also a row of shrubs.

899
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,280
There will be a sidewalk as well and there's a small

900
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,920
retaining wall there as well.

901
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,920
There's additional shrubs here, shrubs here, more trees.

902
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,519
So all the way down, it sort of repeats that pattern of

903
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:19,920
trees and shrubs.

904
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,199
Julie, just a clarification, would you give what the shrub

905
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:25,920
count, I think it's per 100 linear feet?

906
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,920
Yes, sir.

907
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,920
25 -- I've lost it.

908
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,920
25 shrubs per 100 linear feet.

909
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:31,920
100 linear feet.

910
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:32,920
Okay.

911
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:33,920
Thank you.

912
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,920
Sure.

913
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,920
I've got two ahead of you if you'd like to ring.

914
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:38,920
Commissioner Hussbett.

915
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:39,920
Thank you, Chair.

916
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:45,650
Julie, could you pull up that initial map you had up,

917
00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:46,920
please?

918
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:53,920
Because I think it's -- no, no, the -- that shows the area.

919
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,920
This -- or let me go.

920
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:56,920
There you go.

921
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:57,920
That --

922
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:58,920
Yes.

923
00:46:58,920 --> 00:46:59,920
Okay.

924
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:03,489
And so I think it would be -- and I'm sorry, I did not

925
00:47:03,489 --> 00:47:04,920
catch your name.

926
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:05,920
Paul.

927
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:06,920
Paul Babich.

928
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:07,920
Yes, sir.

929
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,550
I think -- do you -- your home is to the left of the yellow

930
00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:16,920
squared area, I do believe?

931
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,719
It's just to the left of the -- it's where the corner of

932
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,920
the yellow -- that's my house.

933
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:24,920
Okay.

934
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:25,920
Got it.

935
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,559
And so, Julie, could you -- my understanding is the

936
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:31,920
construction is more towards --

937
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:32,920
Right.

938
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,920
That is -- let me go back.

939
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,730
Okay, so I guess the citizen's home would be in about this

940
00:47:39,730 --> 00:47:40,920
location.

941
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:41,920
Right.

942
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:42,920
The impact area really is here.

943
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:43,920
Right.

944
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,150
There's no additional improvements proposed at this time in

945
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:47,920
this area.

946
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,920
So really it's up toward the front, closer to Carroll.

947
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:52,920
Perfect.

948
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:53,920
That was my understanding.

949
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:54,920
Okay.

950
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:55,920
Senator.

951
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:56,920
Great.

952
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,920
Did that address your question?

953
00:47:58,920 --> 00:47:59,920
That did, thank you.

954
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:00,920
Great.

955
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:01,920
Thank you, Julie.

956
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,920
I'm sorry, we have a couple other -- my apologies.

957
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:07,920
Commissioner Begg.

958
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:08,920
Thank you, Chair.

959
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,199
And just for Paul's sake, confirm that that chain link

960
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:14,920
fence that's there now will remain

961
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,920
there, is that right?

962
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,500
It's my understanding that that's not being removed at this

963
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:19,920
time.

964
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:20,920
Okay.

965
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:21,920
Nope.

966
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:22,920
There is no chain link fence.

967
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,920
I think he may be referring to his fairgrounds.

968
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:26,920
Okay.

969
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,920
Yeah, I'm back to the -- I'm back to fairgrounds.

970
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:30,920
Okay.

971
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,630
I was looking at the original background, it would go down

972
00:48:33,630 --> 00:48:34,920
pretty close to my house,

973
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,280
and that's the reason why I was asking about the chain link

974
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:38,920
fence.

975
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:39,920
Okay.

976
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:40,920
All right.

977
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:41,920
There's no chain link fence that's going to remain.

978
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:42,920
The applicant has made --

979
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,539
If we're going to start crosstalk kind of out here in the

980
00:48:45,539 --> 00:48:46,920
audience, we need to come to

981
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,739
the front so everybody that's watching online and are

982
00:48:49,739 --> 00:48:50,920
recording can hear.

983
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,949
So if we need to address the chain link fence, we certainly

984
00:48:53,949 --> 00:48:55,920
can if that's an issue or concern.

985
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,489
The applicant has stated that the chain link fence is not

986
00:48:59,489 --> 00:49:00,920
on their property.

987
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,869
It is on the fairgrounds' own property that they have a

988
00:49:05,869 --> 00:49:08,920
wood fence on their property line.

989
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:09,920
Right.

990
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,920
One final question.

991
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:12,920
Commissioner Dudowitz.

992
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,920
Just another point of clarification for the citizens.

993
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,739
The spoke on the current housing at 2 o'clock is going to

994
00:49:20,739 --> 00:49:22,920
be taken down to allow for this

995
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:23,920
new expansion.

996
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,920
So, you know, just to let you know.

997
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,739
And the improvements and the aesthetics is going to be, we

998
00:49:29,739 --> 00:49:30,920
've seen pretty good and pretty

999
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,920
much up to date and really enhance the area.

1000
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:34,920
That's correct.

1001
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:35,920
That's a good way to say it.

1002
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:41,920
12 o'clock and 2 o'clock are being removed.

1003
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,920
I see no other questions for Julie at this time.

1004
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,920
Thank you, Julie.

1005
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,920
Again, this is a public hearing.

1006
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,409
So anyone that would like to speak on this item at this

1007
00:49:51,409 --> 00:49:52,920
time, please come forward, state

1008
00:49:52,920 --> 00:50:05,920
your name and address.

1009
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,360
My name is William Nielsen and my residence address is 12

1010
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,920
Funny Oak Tree Street.

1011
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:17,289
I own the property at 439 Stratter, which sits right in

1012
00:50:17,289 --> 00:50:19,920
back of the property that we're

1013
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,920
talking about.

1014
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,039
My interest in being here at this time is that if you look

1015
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:28,920
out the backside of the house,

1016
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:34,920
you look at a series of roofs on the subject property here.

1017
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,650
And I'm wondering if there's any kind of mitigation

1018
00:50:38,650 --> 00:50:41,920
possible in the event that the site type

1019
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:48,369
mitigation, if the story, if the structures that are going

1020
00:50:48,369 --> 00:50:50,920
to be put in are higher rising

1021
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,920
than the current ones.

1022
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:53,920
Okay.

1023
00:50:53,920 --> 00:51:02,920
Julie, would you like to address that question for us?

1024
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:08,920
That actually was a question that staff had.

1025
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,639
We wanted to make sure that it met all residential setbacks

1026
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:12,920
.

1027
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,920
And then if I could get to here.

1028
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:19,750
So they are increasing the pitch of the roof and so that is

1029
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:21,920
going to be adjacent.

1030
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,289
But we felt like the pitch of this roof and what they're

1031
00:51:24,289 --> 00:51:25,920
proposing really is residential

1032
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,920
and something you would see in any neighborhood.

1033
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,250
That's the type of roof that you would look at your

1034
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:31,920
neighbor.

1035
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,099
So it will be higher than what it is now because right now

1036
00:51:36,099 --> 00:51:37,920
it's a much lower roof pitch.

1037
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,920
But it would meet all buffers and residential setbacks.

1038
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,920
And it stays single story so it's not multi-story.

1039
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:46,920
Correct.

1040
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,539
So it's still single story and the roof pitch is slightly

1041
00:51:48,539 --> 00:51:48,920
taller.

1042
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:49,920
Correct.

1043
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:50,920
Okay.

1044
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:51,920
Julie.

1045
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:52,920
Commissioner Roselk, another question.

1046
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:53,920
Thank you, Chair.

1047
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:54,920
Just for clarification.

1048
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:55,920
Sure.

1049
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,630
The roof is a composite or what is the material of the roof

1050
00:51:59,630 --> 00:51:59,920
?

1051
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:10,289
I'm going to have the applicant come up and answer that

1052
00:52:10,289 --> 00:52:12,920
question.

1053
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:13,920
Good evening.

1054
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:14,920
I'm Zellma Loeb, Loeb Architects.

1055
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,920
I'm the registered architect on the project.

1056
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,230
For Denton Rehab and Nursing, my personal residential

1057
00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:23,920
address is 1705 Brookview Drive,

1058
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,920
Carrollton, Texas, 75007.

1059
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,199
The front elevation you're looking at right now on the far

1060
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:33,920
right end, the pitch of that roof is put in.

1061
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,920
So give us some more residential look.

1062
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,500
Now that ridge line only carries back a little ways and

1063
00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:44,920
then it will drop down lower because that's expensive to do

1064
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:45,920
all the way back on that wing.

1065
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,920
So we did drop back down lower.

1066
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,920
One thing I know, Julie started to talk about it.

1067
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,719
I don't think she finished, but we are actually further

1068
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,389
away with the new construction from the homes and the side

1069
00:53:00,389 --> 00:53:03,550
yard and the setback and property line than we are right

1070
00:53:03,550 --> 00:53:03,920
now.

1071
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,659
The building is going to be further back when we do the

1072
00:53:07,659 --> 00:53:08,920
type C buffer.

1073
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,420
That's going to be further back than what the existing

1074
00:53:11,420 --> 00:53:12,920
construction is right now.

1075
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:13,920
And the material?

1076
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,920
It is a composite roof.

1077
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,920
You said it drops back.

1078
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:18,920
It's not going back to flat.

1079
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,920
It's just being the... It's going to lower the pitch.

1080
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,369
It'll go across and then once it gets to the front nurse's

1081
00:53:24,369 --> 00:53:26,909
station, which is up towards the front of the building,

1082
00:53:26,909 --> 00:53:28,920
about 20 feet in, then it'll dip down.

1083
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:29,920
Perfect.

1084
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:30,920
Thanks for clarifying that.

1085
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,920
Oh, you're welcome.

1086
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,960
Sir, did you have any other comments or any other questions

1087
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,920
we could address for you?

1088
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:40,920
Thank you, sir.

1089
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,920
Appreciate your comments and feedback.

1090
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,920
Again, it's a public hearing.

1091
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,920
Is there anyone else that would like to speak on this item?

1092
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:53,920
At this time, please come forward.

1093
00:53:53,920 --> 00:54:03,469
Seeing no one else, I will close the public hearing on this

1094
00:54:03,469 --> 00:54:04,920
item.

1095
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:05,920
Commissioner Dudowitz.

1096
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,070
If there's no further discussion, I would make a

1097
00:54:08,070 --> 00:54:13,150
recommendation that we approve and approve this with

1098
00:54:13,150 --> 00:54:15,920
subjects to the conditions that the staff put in.

1099
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,920
All three?

1100
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:17,920
All three.

1101
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:18,920
Okay.

1102
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,920
Commissioner Beck.

1103
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:21,920
Second, sir.

1104
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:22,920
Okay.

1105
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,070
We have a first and a second to approve with the three

1106
00:54:27,070 --> 00:54:28,920
staff conditions.

1107
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:37,920
Any further discussion or comments?

1108
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,920
Commissioner Hesmuth.

1109
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:46,219
I did want to point out for the residents that this is set

1110
00:54:46,219 --> 00:54:53,440
up such that if there's future adjustments, they would come

1111
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:54,920
back and request those.

1112
00:54:54,920 --> 00:55:01,409
So please continue to stay active and continue to give the

1113
00:55:01,409 --> 00:55:06,920
feedback because it's greatly appreciated.

1114
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,920
Any other comments or questions?

1115
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:28,920
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board.

1116
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,920
Motion carries six to zero.

1117
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:40,110
That will move us to our final items on our agenda tonight,

1118
00:55:40,110 --> 00:55:46,920
our project matrix and our concluding items.

1119
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,920
Commissioner Bruegel.

1120
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,920
Thank you, Chair.

1121
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,739
So as I'm looking at the matrix, there were three things

1122
00:55:54,739 --> 00:55:57,619
that I had requested a while back that aren't in there, so

1123
00:55:57,619 --> 00:56:00,559
I'm wondering, it might just be happening in the overall D

1124
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:04,059
DC rewrite that I know staff is working on, but I had

1125
00:56:04,059 --> 00:56:08,400
requested a report a while back on the growing movement of

1126
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,130
tiny houses that we're seeing across the country, and I

1127
00:56:12,130 --> 00:56:17,309
know we have like a minimum lot requirement for structures,

1128
00:56:17,309 --> 00:56:20,920
and tiny houses don't always fit with that.

1129
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,320
And so I was wondering, and I know Commissioner Connor, way

1130
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,000
back in like June of 2015, had asked about a report on lot

1131
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,320
coverage, and we're still kind of working on that, so that

1132
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,920
might fit with there.

1133
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,579
Another request I had made a while back was alternatives to

1134
00:56:37,579 --> 00:56:41,880
some of these landscape requirements, trying to encourage

1135
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,719
more zero escaping whenever possible, and I didn't see that

1136
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,920
in there in the matrix, and also I know we're working on

1137
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,920
like kind of clustering

1138
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,300
developments to preserve more green space so homes are

1139
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:56,659
closer together and we're having more open space and so

1140
00:56:56,659 --> 00:57:00,300
maybe all of that is kind of coming in these general over

1141
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:04,380
right rewrites of the DDC but if we can maybe include that

1142
00:57:04,380 --> 00:57:06,400
somewhere just kind of know where y'all are at in the

1143
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,920
process, I think that would be helpful.

1144
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,360
That's my first point did you want to address that first

1145
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:10,920
before I'm okay.

1146
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:11,920
No, okay.

1147
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:12,920
I'll forget otherwise.

1148
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,920
Okay.

1149
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,760
So, and then my other comment was, I know last at our last

1150
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,639
meeting we briefly looked at the tree ordinance, and the

1151
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:26,260
developers all came out and had requested more time to

1152
00:57:26,260 --> 00:57:30,039
review it and I know staff had said that they were going to

1153
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:31,920
organize a meeting with the

1154
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,820
developers and I think that's fantastic. I'd also like to

1155
00:57:34,820 --> 00:57:37,619
encourage staff to facilitate a meeting with the general

1156
00:57:37,619 --> 00:57:40,239
public, because this is a partnership, the what the

1157
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:43,090
developers build is what we're living with, and we want to

1158
00:57:43,090 --> 00:57:46,460
make sure that this is fitting with the community and so I

1159
00:57:46,460 --> 00:57:46,920
would

1160
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,949
like to encourage staff, I don't know if you partner with K

1161
00:57:51,949 --> 00:57:56,550
DB or if you want me to just rent a room at the North Lakes

1162
00:57:56,550 --> 00:58:00,960
rec center or something but I just I want I want to see

1163
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,920
that happen too.

1164
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,619
Anything needs to be addressed with that monologue just yes

1165
00:58:05,619 --> 00:58:08,920
if I can just give her a couple of updates.

1166
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,199
The greenhouse movement that you've mentioned that's

1167
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:15,690
something that is on our radar, it's not referenced on this

1168
00:58:15,690 --> 00:58:18,679
matrix just yet. The other elements that you also raise

1169
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:21,170
with the zero escaping although we have that provision in

1170
00:58:21,170 --> 00:58:22,920
our landscape, you know, landscaping

1171
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,610
requirements, those will be revisited as well. We're

1172
00:58:26,610 --> 00:58:31,829
looking at a comprehensive analysis and potential rewrite

1173
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:35,219
of the Denton Development Code. So we're working on that

1174
00:58:35,219 --> 00:58:37,920
the reason why we haven't given you any succinct data just

1175
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:37,920
yet is because we're

1176
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,199
creating our project timelines associated with that. It is

1177
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:42,920
definitely on our radar.

1178
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,570
As it relates to the tree code amendment, the tree

1179
00:58:46,570 --> 00:58:49,920
preservation component of the tree code.

1180
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,039
Yes, we're absolutely in process we've started meeting with

1181
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:59,119
our development community. We have also discussed a game

1182
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:03,329
plan to involve the community at large, so that everybody

1183
00:59:03,329 --> 00:59:06,920
is apprised and we can secure their feedback as well.

1184
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,369
I will get back with you hopefully tomorrow towards the

1185
00:59:10,369 --> 00:59:13,880
close of the week to give you some status on that and we do

1186
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,309
want to meet with everybody and actually vet the program

1187
00:59:17,309 --> 00:59:20,920
with all individuals within Denton the development

1188
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:25,920
community, our residents, and of course the staff and those

1189
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:26,920
that are involved in it.

1190
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,650
So, I think we're going to anticipate much longer meetings

1191
00:59:31,650 --> 00:59:36,099
in the very near future where we will be addressing these

1192
00:59:36,099 --> 00:59:39,090
items. Thank you. Can I ask for clarification on that, your

1193
00:59:39,090 --> 00:59:46,920
tree comments. If I understand the tree update came from a

1194
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,510
solicitation of public input to come into that already,

1195
00:59:50,510 --> 00:59:50,920
didn't it?

1196
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:55,460
It is my understanding that if you recall the City Council

1197
00:59:55,460 --> 01:00:00,090
last year started looking at the tree fund that was created

1198
01:00:00,090 --> 01:00:04,710
and the monies within that tree fund and how to responsibly

1199
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:09,340
expend those monies to create programs that would benefit

1200
01:00:09,340 --> 01:00:10,920
the community.

1201
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:15,000
We have five pilot programs that we initiated in the parks.

1202
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,519
In addition to that, we also created some incentive

1203
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:22,920
programs in collaboration with KDB, Keep Denton Beautiful.

1204
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,309
And from there, there was discussion from the City Council

1205
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:29,559
and our leadership team to start revisiting our tree code

1206
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:33,449
to determine if it is indeed viable, is it consistent with

1207
01:00:33,449 --> 01:00:37,130
our benchmarking communities, what are we doing, what do we

1208
01:00:37,130 --> 01:00:38,920
need to improve, what works,

1209
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,489
and to basically streamline it where it's more readily

1210
01:00:42,489 --> 01:00:43,920
understandable.

1211
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,920
We did a survey.

1212
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,429
We did. We benchmarked several communities. We did a

1213
01:00:48,429 --> 01:00:53,170
community survey. We met with stakeholders such as KDB. We

1214
01:00:53,170 --> 01:00:57,789
met with DCDA. We posted the agenda. We are always welcome

1215
01:00:57,789 --> 01:01:00,320
if there are any comments from the community as well. We do

1216
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,639
want to hopefully have some meetings with the community as

1217
01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:05,920
well to start moving forward with that.

1218
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,219
That is just a component of the entire tree code, which has

1219
01:01:10,219 --> 01:01:14,389
landscaping elements in it too. So there will be more work

1220
01:01:14,389 --> 01:01:15,920
associated with that.

1221
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,019
But we thought it would be more appropriate to start

1222
01:01:19,019 --> 01:01:22,519
tackling this ordinance so that we could all understand it

1223
01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:25,909
very well and move slowly into progressing into a viable

1224
01:01:25,909 --> 01:01:26,920
ordinance.

1225
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,489
That's great. Yeah, I guess I just remembered when we had

1226
01:01:30,489 --> 01:01:33,880
our bike plan. We would have several events at the Civic

1227
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,719
Center and there would be different stations. I was like,

1228
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:41,920
let's do something fun like that and get some public input.

1229
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,920
But it sounds like you guys are addressing that already.

1230
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,719
And I really appreciate the comments and we will strive to

1231
01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:49,920
make sure it's all inclusive.

1232
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,920
Great. Thank you.

1233
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:52,920
Commissioner Beck.

1234
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,280
Thank you, Chair. I'd just simply like to add a work

1235
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,880
session item at our next PNZ meeting to discuss and better

1236
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:09,920
understand the public hearing notification issue process.

1237
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,920
I think you brought that up and yes, I agree with you.

1238
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,920
I did. I can't. I didn't hear.

1239
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:24,519
Do you want to restate your comment? Yeah, I just wanted to

1240
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:26,030
add a work session item at our next PNZ meeting where we

1241
01:02:26,030 --> 01:02:27,550
can discuss and better understand the public notification

1242
01:02:27,550 --> 01:02:33,920
process when we're building or zone changing.

1243
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,829
We can have a work session item at the next PNZ meeting to

1244
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:41,769
elaborate on the process and explain what it is we do and

1245
01:02:41,769 --> 01:02:45,969
how we do it in accordance with Texas Local Government Code

1246
01:02:45,969 --> 01:02:49,829
and shed some light on that for the Planning and Zoning

1247
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:50,920
Commission.

1248
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:51,920
Commissioner Dadovitz.

1249
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,719
And that's a good point because we all need to be aware of

1250
01:02:55,719 --> 01:02:59,739
how the notices go up, but also to understand the problems

1251
01:02:59,739 --> 01:03:03,920
we're having with it and if there is any solutions to it.

1252
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:03,920
And there may not be.

1253
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,340
But I agree because a lot of people come to front of us and

1254
01:03:06,340 --> 01:03:07,920
say, hey, I wasn't notified.

1255
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,820
And we find out that they're not the original owner or

1256
01:03:10,820 --> 01:03:14,059
there's some lag in communication with the who's got title

1257
01:03:14,059 --> 01:03:15,920
of what property, what not.

1258
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,489
So there might be. I agree. It's been raised several times

1259
01:03:19,489 --> 01:03:22,909
by several commissioners questions. I think it's a good use

1260
01:03:22,909 --> 01:03:25,409
of time if possible in our next work session to address

1261
01:03:25,409 --> 01:03:25,920
that.

1262
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:34,139
So any other items to be added to our matrix or future

1263
01:03:34,139 --> 01:03:35,920
agenda?

1264
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,090
Seeing none, I will close the meeting, our PNZ meeting at 6

1265
01:03:40,090 --> 01:03:40,920
58.

1266
01:03:40,920 --> 01:04:02,920
Thank you very much.