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March 9th meeting. It is 5/12 and our meeting has been duly

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posted and a

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quorum is present and I will call our meeting to order and

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our first item of

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business is going to receive a clarification of agenda

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items and I will

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turn it over to Manal for that presentation. Thank You

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Chairperson

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Strange. If I can just make a quick announcement please

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prior to

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commencing with the work session item. I would like to let

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the Planning and

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Zoning Commission know that sadly we are losing our senior

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planner Ross

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Colbettson. He's moving on to bigger and bigger adventures

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and tonight will be

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his last meeting with us. His last day with us is this

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Friday and I just wanted

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to personally thank Ross for being a valuable contributor

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to the community,

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the department and you will be sadly missed.

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Another quick item that I wanted to bring up was as we move

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into our regular

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meeting we're changing the process just a little bit but I

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promise it's not

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confusing. What we're going to do is during our regular

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meeting public

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hearing items or any items that warrant a presentation from

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an applicant they

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will the chair will open the public hearing the applicant

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will make their

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presentation and staff will follow that and provide a

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summary and a

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recommendation so that that is on record but this gives a

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good opportunity for

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the applicant to provide their presentation too. Some

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applicants may not

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have a presentation and would just stand for question but

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this is the process we

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intend to attempt to follow starting tonight. Is there a

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time limit for the

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applicant to present? I believe there is and I'm looking at

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the...isn't it 10

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minutes? It's 10 minutes for the actual applicant and 10

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minutes for any

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representative up for a total of 20 minutes. Okay that's

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the same as what it's

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been. I have one other item that I will add to discussion

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right now for our work

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session. The item that's going to be presented in our

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regular meeting

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tonight which is Buc-E's or item D which is ADP 16-002 that

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item is going to be

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continued tonight so we will just be opening the public

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hearing and it will be

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continued to March 23rd so if any of you are watching or

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listening in regards to

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our work session and plan to come for that I want to let

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you know that that

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will be continued to the March 23rd meeting and we will

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then now proceed to

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our presentations this evening in work session. Thank You

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Commissioner Strange.

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If the Commission does not have any questions regarding the

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plots that are

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on the agenda we can move straight into our public hearing

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items. Seeing no

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questions regarding the plots we'll move to the first item

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that Z16-0001B.

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Mike Bell is our case planner on that however Mike Bell is

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not present tonight

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and Julie will be representing Mike Bell and making the

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presentation. Thanks Julie.

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Good evening Julie Wyatt associate planner with the City of

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Denton and

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tonight I'm presenting to you Z16-1 Windsor Gardens. The

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request is to

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consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding

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a rezoning request

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from NR2 to NRMU. The subject property is located on the

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northwest corner of

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Bonnie Bray and Windsor. The current zoning for the

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property is NR2. The

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request is the proposed zoning district is NRMU

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neighborhood residential

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mixed-use. The future land use designation of the property

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is community

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mixed-use. The zoning designations that most closely meet

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the intent of the

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neighborhood mixed-use future land use designation are NRMU

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12 and NRMU.

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The considerations that staff looked at regarding this

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request would be that

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consistent with the Denton plan 2030 and NRMU is consistent

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with the intent of

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the future land use designation. Additionally the

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properties location on

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at the intersection of two secondary arterial streets makes

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this an ideal

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location for the NRMU designation because uses like

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neighborhood retail

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service and employment uses also moderate density housing

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are appropriate

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for the area particularly as a transition to the single-

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family

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neighborhoods that are to the west. An additional

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consideration that staff

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looked at would be site constraints. The property is right

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here. As you can see

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adjacent to the property on the lots to the west there is a

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gas well site. This

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yellow portion is the 250 foot reverse setback that any

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protected use would

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need to meet so that is very near the subject property.

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Additionally this blue

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is FEMA floodplain so development could not occur within

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this blue area. So as

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you can see the develop the developable property is quite

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small. Staff doesn't

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foresee an NR2 development to to go in this area. One for

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the for the roadways

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that are adjacent and then also because what what could be

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developed is quite

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small. Public notification was sent out we have received

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one letter in

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favor it is the green area. So based upon the

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considerations and the

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require the criteria for approval in the Denton Development

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recommends approval of this request and I'll stand for any

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questions.

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Commissioner Taylor. Thank you chair. So I have several

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questions just about not

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so much this exact project. General use of NRMU versus CMG.

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these are two arterial it's an intersection of two arter

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there's this area that's probably about 20 acres indicated

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in the future land

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use map for neighborhood mixed use. Yes sir. Could you

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describe under what

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scenarios would like a CMG versus an NRMU be the correct

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use at an arterial

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intersection and what's a typical size how big does a CMG

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need to be how big

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does an NRMU need to be? Well NRMU has a lot of limitations

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size of the use so the intensity of the use. NRMU by its

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nature would would

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require a smaller building footprint of the use and less

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intense. I would say one

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of the primary factors we would look at would be access.

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Bonnie Bray and Windsor

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are streets that are heavily traveled but they are

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secondary arterials whereas

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something like University is a primary arterial it's a much

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more heavily

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traveled streets. These are streets that are accessed by

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lots of neighborhoods

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near there but they are a little more cloistered than a

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university or maybe a

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Teasley would be. So we really don't foresee a CMG in this

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area because the

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access is mainly for the the adjacent neighborhoods and

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less for citywide. Our

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comp plan, let me make sure I'm speaking correctly.

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Den Plan 2030 doesn't necessarily call for a specific

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specific size of parcel

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but it is a smaller footprint than the CMG would be so it

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is intended to be

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more of a neighborhood scale than a CMG would be more of a

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community-wide scale.

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Does that answer your question? Did I get there? Yeah I was

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just trying to get and I

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understand every every location is different every project

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is different but

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I was just trying to say like an NRMU might be appropriate

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from 5 to 20 acres

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or a CMG we wouldn't want a CMG less than you know 20 or 15

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are some kind of categories of size where it would be it

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feasible for an NRMU to be bigger than this or well she

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needs at least this

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much. That's a good point but when we look at both the NRMU

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want to see a mix of uses. There really was the intent of

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those zoning districts

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and I think it's the intent of the future land use

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designation so although

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a parcel may be smaller or may be larger what we want to

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see is a mix of uses in

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that area so we don't in our staff's analysis of the site

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we don't necessarily

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look at the size we look at the mix of uses and we look at

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the access.

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And one one final question since this is already designated

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NRMU in the future

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land use map would this have been appropriate for a staff

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initiated

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rezone? Yes and I believe it's in Mike's staff report that

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we'll be looking at

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this area particularly the properties to the north and see

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if it's it would be

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appropriate to move forward with with a staff initiated rez

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oning. There is

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already NRMU to the south the church property is NRMU so

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this really is a

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logical extension of that NRMU and it may it may be

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necessary to move that

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even further and go go north for that. Thank you. Sure.

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Commissioner Beck I think

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was first. Thank you chair. Kind of following along this

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line of thought here in your

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literature you say staff would caution however that multif

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amily development as

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a single use may be too intense for this area if developed

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at the maximum density

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of 30 units per acre and I believe the intent here of the

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person who wants this

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change is looking at townhomes which is 12 units or

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something? Correct. NRMU does

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allow the use but it limits the density to 12 units per

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acre.

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Why did we consider and I would like us to probably

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consider NRMU 12

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then why not do that then that meet the needs of everybody

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here and and keep

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this high density situation and kind of under wraps. I've

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noticed on the future

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land map area that the area was the moderate residential

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use across the

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street and going up there the neighborhood mixed use the NR

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MU that's

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across the street that's that's just a church that's you

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know so that's. And I

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think because it's on the hard corner we wanted a little

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higher intensity than

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the NRMU 12 plus there is the adjacency it is developed as

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a church but it does

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have that zoning designation so it makes sense to continue

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that zoning district.

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What is moderate residential considered to be? Does that

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include multi-family? Well it is

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dwelling units 4 to 12 dwelling units per acre. I believe I

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've quoted that right.

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Ron might correct me. Moderate density 12 4 to 12 dwelling

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units per acre? Yes. Okay.

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So I mean that would kind of coincide with an NRMU 12 more

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than it would an

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NRMU I would think. Well. With the potential of a multi-

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family. And you

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could see the moderate densities is more across the street.

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be intended to be a neighborhood mixed use or more as a

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center because this

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right here has more access because it's on the corner of

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the two arterial roads.

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Okay. It might although the applicant is proposing town

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homes. Staff when we look

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at a rezoning we look at all the permitted uses in a zoning

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district and

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if for some reason this didn't develop the way it's

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intended we would want to

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look at also the commercial uses because this is it could

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be appropriate to have

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commercial uses in this area as well. Okay. Neighborhood

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scale. Switching to a

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different topic. The ESA nearby. Yeah. That's not going to

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be impacted by any. Well and

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that was actually part of our analysis because there is a

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floodway and the ESA

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is embedded. Is that part of the blue area or the green

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area? This blue. Okay.

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What's that green area? This is are you talking about this

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right here? Well it's

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greenish. It's my. I could say okay yes it's the yellow

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buffer going over the

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blue. Okay. So this really takes all of this blue can't be

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impacted by the

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development and so per our code so really the developable

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area is outside

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of the blue which is part of the analysis that made that NR

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2 really isn't

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an appropriate zoning district because the I believe there

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's about 2.7 acres

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that are developable and it's it's you know probably wouldn

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't get two dwelling

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single-family dwelling units two to an acre in just this

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this small area. Okay

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since that's the ESA is kind of hands-off in that kind of

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answer. Right.

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I'm concerned about the trees that are extending into that

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site then they we'd

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be able to keep those. I believe the trees on this side on

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this side yeah

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look like those are actually within the area it looks like

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it's close in the

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floodways or the floodplain so they do development we'll

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take a close look at

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see how much they're gonna take away from it. They would

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have to meet any tree

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preservation requirement. Okay. Sure. I think I have a

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comment from Manal please.

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Thank you for the valuable questions it's very exciting to

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see these types of conversations evolving. One of the

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things that we also

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need to look at these is the existing zoning map and Julie

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if you can go to

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that please for a second. So the request before us today is

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for a request of

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change in zoning. We comprehensively evaluate the proposed

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request and the

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permitted uses within that zoning district or that category

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and then we

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also look at the surrounding zoning pattern not just the

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existing land uses

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but the surrounding zoning pattern. Would it be logical

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then to extend the NRMU

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as proposed because what we have to the south even though

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it's bifurcated by a

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right-of-way? Yes. What is the intent of the NRMU? To allow

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for mixed uses but to

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have more intense component non-residential component

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evolve in

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that arena. Is there an opportunity now to revisit and look

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at that and I'm

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going to call it the yellow component around the subject

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site north and to the

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west of it. Absolutely because we also know that there are

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physical constraints

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on that site that would limit the developability for

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potentially residential

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neighborhoods that is for a developer perhaps financially

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feasible or not.

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Who knows? But the point is what can we do with that

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quadrant? What now we start

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talking about the comprehensive plan and what value it

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offers in us ascertaining

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what is the best development pattern associated with the

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zoning category that

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is being requested now and what would happen in the future.

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Any specific use

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that chooses to develop under that zoning classification or

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that zoning

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category would have to comply with those zoning parameters

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as it relates to

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density for example or as it relates to lot coverage as it

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relates to your setbacks.

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Your tree mitigation and preservation requirements would

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also come into play

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at the time of submittal for building permit because the

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use would be

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permitted. What we've provided to you is to try and give

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you as detailed

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information as we possibly can but there's no guarantee

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that the site would

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be developed with townhomes. So we know that that is the

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potential or that's

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what's been proposed however if that doesn't happen then we

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need to make sure

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we safeguard the zoning district that's that's being

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proposed and we evaluate

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that in terms of if the proposed use doesn't happen because

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that's not the

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factor hits the zoning change request then what development

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pattern would we

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see and that was what we based our argument on or

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discussion on.

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Commissioner Detowitz. I'm just and I agree with that by

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the way and just to

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the south where we say there's a church but that red area

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is already and NRMU

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and it's posted right now for sale for retail purposes so

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that just now is

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going to facilitate that whole area to be developed in a

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mixed use scenario and

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so yeah this is a you know a good use of that property as I

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drive by it all the

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time and look at it and see the weeds growing up and

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wondering whenever that

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particular area is going to be developed. Commissioner Brue

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gel. Thank You Chair.

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This is a really it's a it's a good piece of land you know

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is right next to

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church it's next to the park it's on a hard corner it's

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easy access to I-35.

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My concern is about the potential for developing townhomes

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there in that it's

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so close to a gas well and I know that we have the city has

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some standards for

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property owners that they must be notified before they

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purchase the

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property that there's a gas well there but my hunch is that

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the people who are

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living in the town homes probably don't own the town homes

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they're probably

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renters so I was wondering if staff could give me some sort

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of like that has

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a comment I'm sorry I cut you off but I have the answer to

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your question. Oh good.

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I talked too much anyway. No no not at all and I apologize

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as we proceed with

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the plotting procedure there are some parameters in our gas

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well ordinance

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that require to the greatest extent possible from our

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perspective or our

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discipline on what needs to be notified on the plat so the

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plat would reflect

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the proximity of for instance the gas well or the gas well

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if there's any

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number of gas wells in the distance from there. Right and I

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recognize that that

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that's a separate issue from the zoning thing that we're

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looking at tonight I

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get that but it is it is related and so when we get there I

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mean let's be honest

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a renter is not going to look at a plat so I would like for

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the city to be

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thinking about this when we're when we're seeing cases like

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this how are we

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going to protect people who are living in those

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neighborhoods who may not be

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aware that that is even I mean there's so many young

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families that would be

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that would be a perfect location it's close to a park it's

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right across the

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street from a fire department you know like it's it's it's

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wonderful for young

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families and I just want to make sure that people are fully

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aware and I

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understand again issue but this is something that I want

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the city to be

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addressing. You're absolutely right and when we and when we

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look at this site

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specifically if you look at the access points for the gas

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well plot as someone

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starts looking at potentially utilizing the town homes that

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are or you know

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renting the town homes if they become rental properties or

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what have you if

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they become for sale that's a different scenario because

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the postings are there

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but for rental I need to double check the gas well

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ordinance to see what the

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parameters are in there but in this instance if we thought

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about this too if

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you look at the access points to the gas well they're very

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clear and visible at

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this point so hopefully windshield inspection would

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highlight that to the

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potential renter for example but I will revisit the gas

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well ordinance and

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provide you I might be able to add one more detail. It may

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not help renters but

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I discussed it with our gas well administrator today

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because I thought

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this question may come up there is also there are also

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requirements that the

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homeowners Association if there's a homeowners Association

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would also have

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some notification requirements so it would be there would

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be notes on the

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plat because it's within a thousand feet of a gas well and

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the HOA once again it

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may not it may not help renters but it's another layer but

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we can check we can

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check for additional and I and again I recognize that is

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that's that's further

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down the road like right now we're just looking at the rez

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oning requests but

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this is this could this could be a conflict and so I just

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want us all to be

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aware sure sure. Commissioner Beck.

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As development does occur around a gas well, are the

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requirements to increase barriers?

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There is a reverse setback I'm not I'm not aware of any

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barriers that would be

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required unless the gas well administrator came in with a

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new site

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plan then there may be some additional site considerations

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that staff would be

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looking at but there is the reverse setback of 250 feet for

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protected uses

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so so at that point that's what they would need to meet.

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I just was clarifying with staff that at this time all we

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're doing is zoning the

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property and at any point in the future when this comes

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back for a preliminary

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plat or even the final plat this Commission will then have

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an opportunity

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to review this site again any concerns about gas wells or

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anything else is

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appropriate to be addressed at that time but as far as a

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straight zoning case as

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long as it's in in in compliance with what the future

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zoning is on 2030 that's

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really our only item to be concerned with and to be

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considering on this item

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at this time so I appreciate the comments and the concerns

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but they're

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kind of outside of what our purview is and in lieu of time

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I'd like to keep our

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discussions on the facts the matter of whether this zoning

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is appropriate for

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this side or not. I have any other questions on this item

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before we move on

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the next one. I just wanted to address the Commission and

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discuss the comment

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Commissioner Taylor brought up regarding the the

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neighborhood mixed-use community

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mixed-use and regional mixed-use. Julie is absolutely

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correct it's based on the

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draw of you know the area how she this is more intended for

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neighborhood serving

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type services and also want to point out that there is a

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table in our plan 2030

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that identifies mixed-use development as you know what we

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would like to see in

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these areas if we're wanting them to be developed as mixed-

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use there's a

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percentage of what the minimum acreage is and what the uses

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should be as far

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as each of the different mixed uses that are considered so

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just to help explain

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a little bit further in regards to the rezoning of the

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property to the north we

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did discuss this with the applicant at the time

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unfortunately I don't think

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they purchased the property or they're not the owner of the

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property if they

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were I'm sure we would have been looking at a rezoning of

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that area as part of

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this proposal. Any other questions for staff on this item?

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Seeing none we'll

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move on to our next item. Thank you Chairperson Strange.

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The next item is 4B

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Z15-0034 I'm going to ask Ross Colbetton to make this

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presentation for a zoning

540
00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:34,779
change request from NR4 to ECI. Thanks Ross. Thank you, Met

541
00:23:34,779 --> 00:23:36,200
all. Thank you

542
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,549
Commission for your statement of appreciation. Dilly noted

543
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:41,440
and thank you.

544
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,190
It was a great serving with you serving this department

545
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:46,359
serving the citizens of

546
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,279
Denton with this position. Tonight I'm bringing before you

547
00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:54,880
Z15-0034 for United

548
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,740
Way of Denton County. The request is to make a

549
00:23:59,740 --> 00:24:02,119
consideration for City

550
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,670
Council regarding a neighborhood four neighborhood

551
00:24:05,670 --> 00:24:07,920
residential four district to

552
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,160
be rezoned to Employment Center Industrial on approximately

553
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,039
five acres.

554
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:19,049
The site is located on Moore Street 250 feet 295 feet west

555
00:24:19,049 --> 00:24:20,319
of Woodrow Lane

556
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:24,670
outlined by the property line there. The property is

557
00:24:24,670 --> 00:24:27,740
currently zoned NR4. As you

558
00:24:27,740 --> 00:24:33,759
can see the NR4 reacts and reflects the neighborhood

559
00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:35,400
context to the west of the

560
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,700
site. It was zoned in 2002 with the citywide rezoning

561
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:42,680
efforts to again kind

562
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,079
of reflect the low to moderate single-family residential in

563
00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:46,680
the area.

564
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:52,420
It anticipated the continuation of single-family uses up to

565
00:24:52,420 --> 00:24:53,839
where there is

566
00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:59,369
currently the industrial zoning fronting Woodrow Street and

567
00:24:59,369 --> 00:25:00,920
the property in

568
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,599
question is actually a property owned by the Denton Housing

569
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:06,000
Authority and just to

570
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,079
give you a little history we had a neighborhood meeting

571
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:12,880
between with with

572
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,170
the United Way of Denton County and how they presented a

573
00:25:17,170 --> 00:25:18,240
really good

574
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,990
relationship with the Denton Housing Authority and as this

575
00:25:20,990 --> 00:25:21,920
property was under

576
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,960
their ownership they were looking to find a compatible use

577
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,839
to use that to

578
00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:32,950
utilize this property for the best benefit of the community

579
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:33,319
and that

580
00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:37,789
relationship stands with the presentation of this zoning

581
00:25:37,789 --> 00:25:43,720
case. ECI is a

582
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,799
compatible zoning that's surrounding the subject property

583
00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:48,160
from the

584
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:54,609
north the east and the south that ECI zoning was in place

585
00:25:54,609 --> 00:25:58,880
in 1999 and it

586
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,819
allows for the professional office and community service

587
00:26:02,819 --> 00:26:04,400
uses anticipated with

588
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,230
the zoning of the property adjacent properties or ECI and a

589
00:26:09,230 --> 00:26:10,759
rezoning if you

590
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:16,940
look over to the other map just recently with Z1404 rez

591
00:26:16,940 --> 00:26:18,119
oning occurred for

592
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:24,119
2.3 acres to again adjust the zoning from neighborhood

593
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,359
residential forward to

594
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,769
ECI. The future land use map indicates this area to be

595
00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:31,920
business innovation

596
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,039
uses it encourages business parks and office employment

597
00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:37,880
centers within that

598
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,710
district business innovation is a compatible land use

599
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:43,559
adjacent single

600
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:47,509
family neighborhoods and rezoning to ECI is consistent with

601
00:26:47,509 --> 00:26:48,440
the business

602
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,789
innovation for the future land use map. Our considerations

603
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:54,279
and staff analysis

604
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:58,519
the property shape and a in proximity to commercial uses

605
00:26:58,519 --> 00:26:59,759
limits for future

606
00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:03,839
development for residential. ECI permits the intended

607
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:04,960
office and community

608
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,529
service uses and will be located close to other nonprofit

609
00:27:08,529 --> 00:27:09,799
and community uses

610
00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:13,779
your staff report indicates that there are adjacent

611
00:27:13,779 --> 00:27:15,680
churches and Martin Luther

612
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,359
King Jr. Community Center rec center that serve the greater

613
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,920
need of didn't

614
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,539
residents in this in this in this area of town. Surrounding

615
00:27:25,539 --> 00:27:26,440
land uses to the

616
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,190
north east and south are commercial industrial in nature

617
00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:32,200
and the

618
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,500
anticipated uses will conform to all chapter 13 standards

619
00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:39,119
for mitigating use

620
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,859
impacts to the adjacent neighborhood. Criteria for approval

621
00:27:43,859 --> 00:27:44,480
the didn't

622
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,720
develop the code lists criteria for as we were stating

623
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,319
before that the

624
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,230
rezoning would conform to the land use element of the didn

625
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:54,480
't plan 2030 and that

626
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,700
the proposed rezoning would facilitate the adequate

627
00:27:57,700 --> 00:27:59,160
provision of transportation

628
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,220
water sewers parks and other public requirements and conven

629
00:28:03,220 --> 00:28:04,799
iences and staff

630
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:08,380
we get to the recommendation a second a public notice

631
00:28:08,380 --> 00:28:11,279
notification was sent on

632
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:16,480
February 21st with 40 mail outs to residents within 200

633
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,799
feet and courtesy

634
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:23,259
notices 78 sent to individuals within 500 feet of the

635
00:28:23,259 --> 00:28:24,359
subject property and no

636
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,849
responses have been returned as as today. So based on the

637
00:28:28,849 --> 00:28:31,000
considerations and the

638
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,930
requirements within chapter sub chapter 35 3 staff

639
00:28:34,930 --> 00:28:37,279
recommends approval of this

640
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:41,359
request and I will stand for any questions.

641
00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:50,119
Commissioner Hesbeth. Thank you chair. So do we know where

642
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:51,160
they're planning to

643
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:57,529
place the building because it's it's five minutes from my

644
00:28:57,529 --> 00:28:58,839
house so it's near

645
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:02,319
and dear to my heart and I walked the neighborhood today

646
00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:03,839
and I talked to one

647
00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:08,559
of the residents that's just across the street that did not

648
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:09,359
said he didn't

649
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:12,299
receive the notice whatever that means and then there's one

650
00:29:12,299 --> 00:29:13,200
of the residents

651
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,940
that will be here this evening for the hearing. My question

652
00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:16,920
is do do we know

653
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,039
where on that property they're going to place? No we don't.

654
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,920
And so help me

655
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,240
understand what we're voting on. Well this is going to be

656
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,799
the same issue that

657
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:32,109
we just talked about we're just looking at zoning only on

658
00:29:32,109 --> 00:29:33,200
this particular item I

659
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,440
believe until it comes back to preliminary plat then we'll

660
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:36,720
discuss

661
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,380
where buildings will be placed and whether you want to

662
00:29:39,380 --> 00:29:40,200
approve or put a

663
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,819
condition on a on a preliminary plat or final plat we'll

664
00:29:44,819 --> 00:29:46,640
get to that point. Okay

665
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:54,720
so my question functionally what is the process for the

666
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,839
fire in and out with it

667
00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:59,650
only having access on Morris? There'd either have to be a

668
00:29:59,650 --> 00:30:01,000
looped fire lane

669
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,710
around the building to have an entry and exit on Morris I

670
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:08,279
don't know if there will

671
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:13,109
be a second point of access yes two points of access will

672
00:30:13,109 --> 00:30:14,359
be needed for the

673
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:20,099
property so they would have to have two driveway cuts on

674
00:30:20,099 --> 00:30:23,640
more street. May I

675
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,380
interject? Sure. The details associated with the site

676
00:30:27,380 --> 00:30:28,759
engineering with the

677
00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:32,390
building permit package which is how the building would lay

678
00:30:32,390 --> 00:30:35,039
the footprint the

679
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:38,410
safety elements associated with that all that would be

680
00:30:38,410 --> 00:30:40,079
addressed at the time of

681
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:43,700
submittal of building permit. Prior to that the property

682
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:44,720
would have to be

683
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,579
preliminary and final plotted. At the preliminary at the

684
00:30:48,579 --> 00:30:49,279
final planning stage

685
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:53,289
full civils would be reviewed and approved prior to the

686
00:30:53,289 --> 00:30:54,519
final plot coming

687
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:59,519
before yourselves. In terms of the building footprint right

688
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:00,759
now we cannot

689
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:05,009
address that because the request before us is to for the

690
00:31:05,009 --> 00:31:06,960
Commission to review

691
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,619
the merits of changing the existing zoning on the property

692
00:31:10,619 --> 00:31:12,200
to ECI. So what

693
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,920
we've provided you is an analysis that shows that it's a

694
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:17,720
logical transition

695
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,029
transitional zoning. Ross would you put up the zoning map

696
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:23,480
please? And if you look

697
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,829
around the area fully understand that there's residential

698
00:31:27,829 --> 00:31:29,359
development west of

699
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:31,980
the site the west boundary line and a little bit to the

700
00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:34,039
north. When development

701
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:38,230
does occur a sufficient landscape buffer would have to be

702
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:39,359
provided or a buffer

703
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:42,680
strip as we call it would have to be provided to provide

704
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,880
one the separation

705
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,380
between the two uses and then beyond that there are

706
00:31:47,380 --> 00:31:49,240
specific building setbacks

707
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,349
so the building would have to be set back from the right of

708
00:31:51,349 --> 00:31:52,000
way and then the

709
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,759
adjacent other property lines specific distance too. So at

710
00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:56,440
this point we're

711
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,869
really only evaluating the zoning change request because

712
00:31:59,869 --> 00:32:01,680
under the ECI and in your

713
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,619
report and I think Ross touched on this a little bit too we

714
00:32:04,619 --> 00:32:05,880
're discussing what

715
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,880
uses are permitted. So the study before us or the analysis

716
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,880
before us is is it

717
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,079
feasible to change the zoning of the property that is

718
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:16,599
highlighted there to ECI

719
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:19,960
and if it is those are the following uses that would be

720
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,079
permitted. Okay thank

721
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:38,440
you. Can we go back to yes future land uses map? Okay and

722
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,920
anyone I don't know

723
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,809
who answers this question but can you give me the practical

724
00:32:43,809 --> 00:32:44,880
application of

725
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:51,839
this map seen as how the purple which is the light purple

726
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:53,519
so that's business

727
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:58,420
innovation bleeds past the neighborhood. So is it I just

728
00:32:58,420 --> 00:32:59,279
want to kind of

729
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:03,519
understand what if I'm looking at this evaluating to see if

730
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,200
it it fits maybe

731
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,269
you can help me understand how that transitions from so we

732
00:33:10,269 --> 00:33:11,359
're going from

733
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:16,420
business innovation to low residential. The comprehensive

734
00:33:16,420 --> 00:33:17,839
plan was designed and

735
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:24,539
it is depicted as non parcel based so there are kind of a

736
00:33:24,539 --> 00:33:26,279
bleed buffer or

737
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:31,109
bleed use line of where in anticipation of new uses but it

738
00:33:31,109 --> 00:33:32,960
stands to reason that

739
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,529
there is a strict line where these are lots that abut these

740
00:33:37,529 --> 00:33:38,599
these are existing

741
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:42,480
single-family lots so thus any kind of new use that comes

742
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,579
in would be parcel

743
00:33:44,579 --> 00:33:48,819
based based on the parameters of the the boundary of that

744
00:33:48,819 --> 00:33:51,039
of that property so

745
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:55,410
there would not be any discussion of bleeding any

746
00:33:55,410 --> 00:33:57,420
additional business

747
00:33:57,420 --> 00:34:02,690
innovation uses into the into the property we could set

748
00:34:02,690 --> 00:34:04,200
this as a hard

749
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:11,079
line based on this rezoning effort. Okay and one last

750
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:14,559
technical question I don't

751
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:18,449
know is that enough space in that entrance for it to

752
00:34:18,449 --> 00:34:19,800
function as a so

753
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,360
currently as a residential it doesn't need as much space

754
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,119
for fire so

755
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:28,610
physically is there enough space for fire to even consider

756
00:34:28,610 --> 00:34:31,440
transitioning to

757
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,449
EC1? The applicant will be here tonight and they have an

758
00:34:36,449 --> 00:34:38,400
architect consultant

759
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,389
with them they just have not flushed out any design efforts

760
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:43,360
and brought into our

761
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,360
attention yet of what the layout is going to be. Feel free

762
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,480
to ask them when

763
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,630
they come up and make their presentation we just we don't

764
00:34:51,630 --> 00:34:52,519
have anything here.

765
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:58,440
Anything else? Commissioner Rosell. Thank you chair this

766
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,480
question kind of is

767
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,980
similar to the one previous and that we're approving a rez

768
00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:05,119
oning this evening

769
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:08,429
so we don't know if United Way will actually build that's

770
00:35:08,429 --> 00:35:08,559
not that's not

771
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:11,360
what we're approving it's not a guarantee and so what I

772
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,320
understand from

773
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,670
business innovation is these office parks not like high

774
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:18,679
density type things

775
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:22,579
but ECI you can have a drive-through facility a private

776
00:35:22,579 --> 00:35:24,360
club quick vehicle

777
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,300
servicing there's a lot of things that could be put there I

778
00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:28,320
'm wondering if

779
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,559
business innovation there's a better way to define that

780
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:34,199
zone so we get like an

781
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:36,670
office part if United Way doesn't go in there I'm just

782
00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:37,880
concerned if United Way

783
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,280
that backs out we're gonna get a club in the back of

784
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,519
someone's backyard.

785
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:45,469
I don't know if there's an answer for that but it seems

786
00:35:45,469 --> 00:35:46,920
like there's might be

787
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,090
a better way of getting business innovation type buildings

788
00:35:51,090 --> 00:35:53,320
than ECI.

789
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,650
I think in our backup it says that the home the owner is

790
00:35:56,650 --> 00:35:57,880
the housing authority

791
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,289
is who currently owns the property. So they wouldn't be

792
00:36:00,289 --> 00:36:01,280
wanting to sell to

793
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,880
private interests. If they would chose to do that.

794
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:17,880
Commissioner Taylor. Thank you Chair. So I look at this

795
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:18,320
this color

796
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,559
transition and I think it's interesting the the way I think

797
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:24,119
these transitions

798
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,690
were applied is any of the NR districts were the base layer

799
00:36:27,690 --> 00:36:28,760
and then all of the

800
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,920
other colors bleed across into NR which is just kind of

801
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,440
interesting the last

802
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,380
one did that too where the area across the street bled into

803
00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:40,519
the NRMU but I do

804
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:43,510
feel this is an important transition zone because we have

805
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:44,599
you know industrial

806
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:47,909
uses existing industrial industrial uses that have been

807
00:36:47,909 --> 00:36:49,199
there since at least the

808
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:54,739
80s along Woodrow but we also have an established

809
00:36:54,739 --> 00:36:56,320
neighborhood you know that's

810
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,190
been growing over over the last several decades and this to

811
00:37:01,190 --> 00:37:03,199
me feels like like

812
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:06,949
this lot coming to the houses would be an appropriate

813
00:37:06,949 --> 00:37:07,719
location for the

814
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,570
transition and to just take it to ECI which is a very

815
00:37:11,570 --> 00:37:13,039
intense one of the most

816
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:18,250
intense zoning categories we have to an existing houses

817
00:37:18,250 --> 00:37:20,840
back fence does feel

818
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,429
like it it goes against some of the comprehensive plan so I

819
00:37:24,429 --> 00:37:26,039
and I know that

820
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:27,940
we have a lot of other zoning categories that are

821
00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:29,519
appropriate for offices and

822
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:34,260
might even be more appropriate for office buildings while

823
00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:36,280
removing heavy

824
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,820
vehicle servicing and these cut very industrial uses that

825
00:37:39,820 --> 00:37:40,960
would probably be

826
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,780
the most noxious to have across somebody's back fence so

827
00:37:43,780 --> 00:37:45,239
did we look at

828
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:52,769
ECC or I almost think more categories outside of the EC

829
00:37:52,769 --> 00:37:53,840
category would be more

830
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,570
appropriate but I know that there isn't any around here is

831
00:37:56,570 --> 00:37:57,719
there any other

832
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,719
zoning category that we looked at we did analyze the

833
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,119
proximity to the

834
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:06,769
residential neighborhood we took that into consideration we

835
00:38:06,769 --> 00:38:07,719
also tried to

836
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,230
analyze the schedule of permitted uses we did we looked at

837
00:38:11,230 --> 00:38:12,119
other zoning

838
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:17,389
categories with the schedule of uses this was the least was

839
00:38:17,389 --> 00:38:18,239
the most

840
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,429
restrictive of those districts the ECI secondly if we just

841
00:38:22,429 --> 00:38:23,880
took this parcel out

842
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:30,760
and and rezone this then would we be compromising our

843
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,559
charge of looking to

844
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:35,869
consolidate zoning classifications and zoning categories

845
00:38:35,869 --> 00:38:38,159
thirdly we also know

846
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:41,469
that we have the ability to provide the adequate landscape

847
00:38:41,469 --> 00:38:42,480
buffer requirements

848
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,139
and Ross please correct me is it a D type C buffer which is

849
00:38:47,139 --> 00:38:48,679
what 30 feet 30

850
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:52,639
feet with 20 feet it's I believe it's a 30 foot buffer if

851
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:53,440
we could clarify that

852
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,360
so from a from a zoning perspective is the zoning the

853
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,519
zoning change

854
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,320
appropriate we felt yes given the surrounding zoning

855
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,639
pattern however we

856
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:07,239
also looked at the applicant and the ownership and the

857
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,599
intent for fully

858
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:12,650
knowing that there is a possibility that it may not develop

859
00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:14,079
with what we've heard

860
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:17,940
that it could potentially develop with but we know who the

861
00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:19,920
owner is too you

862
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,719
know and so we did take those those elements into

863
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,679
consideration so to

864
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:31,590
looking at just a ECI to ECC ECC is tends toward more

865
00:39:31,590 --> 00:39:33,360
office uses and less

866
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,219
industrial uses it does allow slightly higher density but

867
00:39:37,219 --> 00:39:38,000
it also has higher

868
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,230
landscape requirements so basically lives before story

869
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:41,199
building instead of a two

870
00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:44,989
story building basically was there and we have a lot of

871
00:39:44,989 --> 00:39:46,360
business innovation is

872
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,260
falling into the ECC and we have just across the street ECC

873
00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:51,599
and ECI kind of

874
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:58,639
checkerboarded together would it seems to me that that it's

875
00:39:58,639 --> 00:39:59,280
slightly less

876
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,489
intense so it's provide some buffer was that was that

877
00:40:02,489 --> 00:40:03,880
evaluated was there what

878
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:09,579
was the reason we didn't go with ECC I believe the primary

879
00:40:09,579 --> 00:40:11,000
reason why we didn't

880
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:17,289
go with ECC is to ensure that we had a comprehensive ECI

881
00:40:17,289 --> 00:40:18,880
structure there if you

882
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,880
look at if we were to just go ahead we just recently added

883
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:23,920
an ECI zoning

884
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,780
designation right next to it so in terms of develop ability

885
00:40:27,780 --> 00:40:28,800
of the overall area

886
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,000
that is ECI and the proposed ECI it would develop

887
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,239
comprehensively or redevelop

888
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,920
comprehensively now this doesn't you know and Jennifer

889
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,320
correct me if I'm wrong

890
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,530
but should the Commission see fit that ECI is not the

891
00:40:41,530 --> 00:40:42,599
appropriate zoning

892
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:46,469
designation could they then recommend an alternative zoning

893
00:40:46,469 --> 00:40:47,360
designation we would

894
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:57,000
have to repost it the applicants the applicant understood

895
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:57,440
that there were

896
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:03,400
different EC categories they felt good with staffs

897
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,039
recommendation of ECI they

898
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:11,119
didn't challenge that we did look at ECC and again when all

899
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:14,320
point is basis of our

900
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:20,079
analysis where since in 2014 a recent zone rezoning

901
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:23,340
happened adjacent and it

902
00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:26,650
was for you never know what that use was for but it was

903
00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:28,039
anticipated for the

904
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:34,280
growth and expansion of the warehouse uses on Woodrow so

905
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,159
our logic took that

906
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:42,000
as a starting point and just to add to that we are dentin

907
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,239
development code only

908
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,480
caters to straight zoning categories so we don't have the

909
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,800
opportunity to create

910
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,280
specific districts to accommodate specific uses either so

911
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,239
that's where the

912
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,699
second challenge arises as to how do we ensure the proper

913
00:41:58,699 --> 00:42:00,039
progression or

914
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:07,429
transition of zoning that other Avenue does not exist at

915
00:42:07,429 --> 00:42:09,800
this time that it

916
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,750
David good Commissioner Bruegel thank you so kind of take

917
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:15,760
tagging off of what

918
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,820
y'all are asking because it's my question too is you know

919
00:42:19,820 --> 00:42:20,920
we see rezone

920
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,510
cases for other developers other projects and you know and

921
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:26,800
what happens if we

922
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,159
rezone it with the the thought that the intent is going to

923
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:31,400
be for this and then

924
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,230
they flip the property right in this case you know we know

925
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:34,960
it's you know

926
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,539
Denton housing Denton Housing Authority and United Way and

927
00:42:38,539 --> 00:42:39,719
I sat down with Gary

928
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,539
Henderson and I asked him this what you know what happens

929
00:42:42,539 --> 00:42:43,480
if y'all flip this

930
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,829
hypothetically speaking and he he wasn't she was gonna sit

931
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:48,840
down with staff and

932
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,449
kind of talk about this but is this is this something that

933
00:42:51,449 --> 00:42:52,519
could we create some

934
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:56,000
sort of like overlay or something that just to protect the

935
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,320
neighborhood so that

936
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:05,460
if if if yeah we're in a nation yeah yeah we have the

937
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:07,760
parameters to create a

938
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,380
specific overlay just again it would go back to the posting

939
00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:12,760
issue correct

940
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,300
Jennifer yes you'd have to post it and we'd have to bring

941
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:17,159
it back but I'm not

942
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:21,059
sure I'm just trying to think yeah we I mean we do overlays

943
00:43:21,059 --> 00:43:21,679
before I'm just

944
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:24,369
trying to think is there a way that you've done overlays to

945
00:43:24,369 --> 00:43:25,320
protect where

946
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,539
they weren't noticed yes so what's happened in the past is

947
00:43:29,539 --> 00:43:30,320
that if the

948
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,489
Commission sees a different Avenue or to provide specific

949
00:43:34,489 --> 00:43:36,000
site design related

950
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,489
restrictions or use restrictions especially in the

951
00:43:39,489 --> 00:43:41,000
residential design

952
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,900
nations overlays have been recommended and then adopted I'm

953
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:46,719
just trying to think

954
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,210
of some some additional way to further protect the

955
00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:51,079
neighborhood so just just to

956
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,349
keep things consistent right like I mean because we shouldn

957
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:54,360
't be playing favorites

958
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,090
between well it's United Way or it's you know and you're

959
00:43:58,090 --> 00:43:58,119
talking about the

960
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:01,550
residential mixed-use overlay and I think that's the

961
00:44:01,550 --> 00:44:03,280
commercial only I'm not sure

962
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,619
that's industrialism we don't have a non-residential over a

963
00:44:07,619 --> 00:44:09,159
district yeah so

964
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:13,989
I don't think that's possible or another idea perhaps to

965
00:44:13,989 --> 00:44:15,519
tie the you know the

966
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:19,610
motion into something like we will approve this as long as

967
00:44:19,610 --> 00:44:21,559
it stays with

968
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:24,869
which goes back to well that's that that's conditional

969
00:44:24,869 --> 00:44:25,599
zoning and for all

970
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:31,400
right we can't do that illegal okay so never mind I'm just

971
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,039
trying to think you

972
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:34,760
know like let's think of different ways that we could

973
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,000
protect the residential

974
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,679
neighborhood to the to the West just to kind of keep things

975
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:43,559
consistent you know

976
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:46,880
I guess I'd have a question the neighborhood already backs

977
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:47,480
to the South

978
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:53,519
ICI so I understand the concern if this was the only place

979
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:54,000
that that

980
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,320
neighborhood bordered this category but it borders it in

981
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,679
all other places and

982
00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:01,480
there are a number of existing businesses that are already

983
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,000
there and

984
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,309
operating it's not just vacant land so I understand the

985
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:07,920
concern and if it was a

986
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,320
hey this is the first piece now that's bordering

987
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,000
neighborhood I agree I think

988
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,429
would be more of a concern for me but with it the

989
00:45:15,429 --> 00:45:16,159
neighborhood already

990
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:20,260
bordering those areas and already having businesses

991
00:45:20,260 --> 00:45:22,199
operating I don't I don't have

992
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:27,139
the same concern but other commissioners may Commissioner H

993
00:45:27,139 --> 00:45:28,119
utsworth yeah so

994
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:33,480
that's a good point but the difference is the the lay of

995
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,480
the land buffers the

996
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:42,929
neighborhood naturally from those other businesses so you

997
00:45:42,929 --> 00:45:43,920
'll access all those

998
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,670
other businesses on Woodrow or to the I think that's to the

999
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:49,679
south towards yeah

1000
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:54,050
you you exit all that through those major streets but

1001
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:56,559
Morris Street is

1002
00:45:56,559 --> 00:46:00,599
absolutely residential there's not a there's not a sign

1003
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:01,880
there's not there's

1004
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,469
nothing that indicates business until you get to the stop

1005
00:46:06,469 --> 00:46:07,960
sign at Woodrow and

1006
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,519
so that's where it's kind of unique because you're gonna

1007
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:12,679
have this I'm

1008
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:15,989
assuming some sort of sign that says turn here you're gonna

1009
00:46:15,989 --> 00:46:16,840
I mean it's going

1010
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:21,559
to stick out whereas the other businesses are naturally

1011
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:23,000
facing Woodrow

1012
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,360
facing shady shores so it doesn't really interact with the

1013
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:27,159
neighborhood although

1014
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:31,289
it butts up against it even if you look at UPS there that

1015
00:46:31,289 --> 00:46:32,800
center you got to come

1016
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,840
all the way down to the signal light and then you get to it

1017
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:35,679
but other than that

1018
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:39,119
you don't see any signage there's no it's all kind of

1019
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:40,400
uniform so that's

1020
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,539
really I get hung up on and I just someone can give me a

1021
00:46:44,539 --> 00:46:45,639
yes or no I'm not

1022
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:52,860
not probing but in order to consider ECI if you've that you

1023
00:46:52,860 --> 00:46:53,880
had a conversation

1024
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,039
with them I go back to my question you have to consider if

1025
00:46:58,039 --> 00:46:59,280
the fire trucks can

1026
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,079
get in there and so either someone did or did not in

1027
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:03,760
advance of bringing it to

1028
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,929
us but I'm just curious did someone entertain that thought

1029
00:47:07,929 --> 00:47:09,519
or no they have a

1030
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:13,150
team that is designing the site for them and they are very

1031
00:47:13,150 --> 00:47:14,639
familiar with what the

1032
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:18,559
fire requirements are what the number of entrances or exits

1033
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:20,300
required are placement

1034
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:26,300
of building gross floor area coverage building setback when

1035
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:27,960
we speak to the

1036
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,320
and Ross I'm going to lean on you just because to jog my

1037
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,400
memory what is the

1038
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,840
right-of-way classification of more more Street

1039
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:48,039
now we cannot the other this property would have mostly

1040
00:47:48,039 --> 00:47:49,559
have access off of

1041
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:52,760
more straight also so the property to the north that Ross

1042
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:53,840
was pointing out to

1043
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,050
would have several access points if it were subdivided we

1044
00:47:57,050 --> 00:47:58,480
cannot landlock a

1045
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,420
property they have to have genuine access off of a right-of

1046
00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:05,880
-way as well but

1047
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,820
when it comes time to submitting for their building permit

1048
00:48:08,820 --> 00:48:09,639
plans all these

1049
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,110
elements will be vetted and if they don't comply with any

1050
00:48:12,110 --> 00:48:12,559
of those

1051
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:18,110
requirements they won't secure the building permit and and

1052
00:48:18,110 --> 00:48:19,639
I think to mr.

1053
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:27,690
see drainage I believe drainage goes this way because there

1054
00:48:27,690 --> 00:48:28,199
is a channel

1055
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:32,349
this way so in all intents and purposes a lot of this area

1056
00:48:32,349 --> 00:48:34,079
may be considered for

1057
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:39,059
detention facilities so that's one protection and there's a

1058
00:48:39,059 --> 00:48:39,880
tree stand

1059
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,280
right there we don't know what the intent is for

1060
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,119
development of that but

1061
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:50,119
there are natural features that preclude building and fire

1062
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:52,239
lane and nuisance of

1063
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,480
on-site circulation right up against their residents there

1064
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,960
sure yeah no for

1065
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:03,679
the sake of time I'll take it up out there but I I'm not I

1066
00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:04,699
'm not okay I mean

1067
00:49:04,699 --> 00:49:07,449
that the more Street was just done with CDBG funds I do

1068
00:49:07,449 --> 00:49:08,719
believe the sewer was

1069
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,030
done from beginning to end so it's a two-year-old piece of

1070
00:49:12,030 --> 00:49:12,639
pavement that we're

1071
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:15,139
going to now dig up again potentially for drainage for this

1072
00:49:15,139 --> 00:49:16,280
that and the other I

1073
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,750
just it gives me a lot of heartache and I do like what

1074
00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:23,679
Taylor Briggle and and

1075
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:26,989
Andrew touched on and that I think there's a different

1076
00:49:26,989 --> 00:49:28,199
classification that

1077
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:31,269
gets us the same place and so if we have to hopefully rep

1078
00:49:31,269 --> 00:49:32,599
ost or whatever to get

1079
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:38,269
it more in line that would be great but I'll say that thank

1080
00:49:38,269 --> 00:49:38,920
you commissioner

1081
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:44,119
Dudowitz chairman add on to the conversation the newly

1082
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:47,800
cited or re-sown

1083
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,639
piece right yeah what right there what was the intent for

1084
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:54,480
that and that property

1085
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,070
you know it was my understanding it was for the benefit of

1086
00:49:59,070 --> 00:49:59,960
any expansion of

1087
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:03,909
these extension of the it was a zoning change to

1088
00:50:03,909 --> 00:50:05,920
accommodate spec development

1089
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,280
in the future okay and they would have entrance how well it

1090
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,159
depends if they

1091
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:13,699
utilize that sliver that's just been incorporated as part

1092
00:50:13,699 --> 00:50:14,840
of expansion then

1093
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,230
they could create some avenue to have access to their

1094
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:19,760
eastern component of the

1095
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,099
property or off of Morse as well would be permitted that's

1096
00:50:23,099 --> 00:50:24,119
what we wouldn't be

1097
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:32,840
we wouldn't landlock the property exactly Commissioner Beck

1098
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:33,639
just want to

1099
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:36,570
touch briefly on the fact that we had all these notices go

1100
00:50:36,570 --> 00:50:37,559
out and absolutely

1101
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:41,909
nobody on Baldwin or Amy court responded I noticed in the

1102
00:50:41,909 --> 00:50:43,679
paperwork that they did

1103
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:46,510
have a town hall meeting and the community did get involved

1104
00:50:46,510 --> 00:50:47,119
and that's

1105
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:49,750
good I'm really excited about this project I'd like to see

1106
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:50,199
it go forward

1107
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:53,519
but I'm concerned and this isn't the first time we've seen

1108
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:54,320
this that the

1109
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,559
lack of response from the residents are going to be

1110
00:50:57,559 --> 00:50:59,679
impacted the most concerns

1111
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:02,570
me that would like come up later and create a barrier for

1112
00:51:02,570 --> 00:51:03,480
this thing to go

1113
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:10,019
forward so how is it just me or should we be concerned that

1114
00:51:10,019 --> 00:51:11,079
nobody in the area

1115
00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:13,530
that's the residential area it's going to be impacted most

1116
00:51:13,530 --> 00:51:14,400
responded do we just

1117
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,429
take that that way okay that's fine go ahead or shouldn't

1118
00:51:18,429 --> 00:51:19,360
we be concerned that

1119
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,239
they got proper notification well I think they got proper

1120
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,280
notification

1121
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,960
certified notices let's had a neighborhood meeting also in

1122
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:29,800
our backup

1123
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,650
it's right but I noticed on that list that the closest

1124
00:51:33,650 --> 00:51:36,159
person that to this

1125
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:39,789
development is like four blocks away on the 1300 block of

1126
00:51:39,789 --> 00:51:41,280
more street we did get I did

1127
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,389
get I did receive calls from individuals I believe in one

1128
00:51:45,389 --> 00:51:46,599
of these two houses

1129
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:50,190
asking questions about buffering I took the calls but they

1130
00:51:50,190 --> 00:51:50,800
did not you know

1131
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:56,280
request a vote against their opinion and we take phone

1132
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,199
calls we take note emails

1133
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:03,389
and faxes that are received based on our mail out don't you

1134
00:52:03,389 --> 00:52:03,920
have a

1135
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,849
notification map you can put up and if you put that up

1136
00:52:06,849 --> 00:52:08,679
please if I speak to my

1137
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:12,360
experience Commissioner Beck when I've been a part of a

1138
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:13,000
notification of a

1139
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,090
Brazil thank you and see my neighbors it's more a matter of

1140
00:52:16,090 --> 00:52:17,199
indifference that

1141
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:20,519
there's not been a response so in my experience that there

1142
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:21,199
's notifications

1143
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:24,079
beginning there just a matter of indifference and I

1144
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:24,320
understand I hope

1145
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,949
that's all it is I'm just concerned because I really you

1146
00:52:26,949 --> 00:52:27,280
know I'm excited

1147
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,599
about this project and I didn't see some pop-up later you

1148
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:31,519
know being accused of

1149
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:36,530
nobody sure thought if I may well I guess for the for the

1150
00:52:36,530 --> 00:52:37,300
record that's the

1151
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:40,510
notification map of everybody that got a notice and I

1152
00:52:40,510 --> 00:52:41,639
understand that I don't

1153
00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:45,119
want to pick on anybody here but you know did it actually

1154
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:46,320
have or not I'm I

1155
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,650
have no reason to think it didn't but talking with the

1156
00:52:49,650 --> 00:52:51,320
Commissioner Hutz with

1157
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:56,059
earlier he actually walked that ball in the street and what

1158
00:52:56,059 --> 00:52:57,519
was your sense that they got a notification?

1159
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:00,960
Yeah so the gentleman Commissioner Hutzbeth. Thank you. So

1160
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,000
the gentleman Ross is

1161
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,750
speaking of will be here tonight that he's the very front

1162
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:07,079
of that kind of that

1163
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:10,510
L shape he got the notice I don't know why I didn't respond

1164
00:53:10,510 --> 00:53:11,199
but he'll be here

1165
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:15,059
and then if you jump the creek there's those three houses

1166
00:53:15,059 --> 00:53:16,360
right next to each

1167
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,760
other Daniel is a gentleman that owned a tow truck company

1168
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:20,920
right there on the on

1169
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,519
the corner he said he did not receive the notice he he is

1170
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:27,119
okay with the

1171
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:31,340
project concerned about traffic as is everyone I talked to

1172
00:53:31,340 --> 00:53:32,239
in the neighborhood

1173
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,559
that's the biggest concern and but he said he did not

1174
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:37,000
receive the notice I

1175
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,360
mean and I don't know that doesn't mean it wasn't sent that

1176
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,079
didn't I mean I had

1177
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:43,840
a that happens I don't know I'm not gonna go you know argue

1178
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:44,800
either way I'm

1179
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,659
saying I asked staff to give an explanation of what notice

1180
00:53:48,659 --> 00:53:49,159
you get in a

1181
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:52,730
200 foot buffer and 500 so we all get the facts of what

1182
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:54,119
hasn't hasn't been done.

1183
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:58,789
Sure. Just a second please go ahead if you'll give that for

1184
00:53:58,789 --> 00:54:02,920
us. Thank you

1185
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,719
Commissioner Strange I'm just thinking about that note and

1186
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:06,440
I want succinctly

1187
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:11,849
put this language together the 200 foot notification is a

1188
00:54:11,849 --> 00:54:12,880
required is a

1189
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,409
state-manded notification process we are required to send

1190
00:54:16,409 --> 00:54:17,599
out with any zoning

1191
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:21,269
change a property owner notice informing them of the

1192
00:54:21,269 --> 00:54:23,239
request and of the date of

1193
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,920
the meeting that is the 200 foot buffer those are certified

1194
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,159
mailouts that go to

1195
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:32,400
those property owners the property owner list is extracted

1196
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,400
from the county DCAT

1197
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,000
and so if there are any changes to that because we update

1198
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,000
those every year

1199
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,179
minimum sometimes every six months if I'm not mistaken so

1200
00:54:44,179 --> 00:54:45,280
if there is a change

1201
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,039
in ownership sometimes you lose that they don't get that

1202
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:50,119
notice for example

1203
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:55,079
or its return the 500 foot notification is purely courtesy

1204
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:56,519
and that enables

1205
00:54:56,519 --> 00:54:59,760
individuals if they are interested in the case just as you

1206
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:00,440
mentioned the the

1207
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,969
properties across the creek when you jump the creek we

1208
00:55:02,969 --> 00:55:04,280
would like to hear

1209
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,880
what they have to say but when it comes to the ultimate

1210
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,440
count of how many

1211
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,619
notices or property owners were for or against the request

1212
00:55:13,619 --> 00:55:14,960
we would use the 200

1213
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,800
foot notification

1214
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:32,400
Commissioner Dadowitz I just wanted to clarify to mr. Hussp

1215
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,480
ett that notices go

1216
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,840
to the property owner I'm a property owner but it's a

1217
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,079
corporation I have a

1218
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:43,519
corporate address and those notices go to a corporate

1219
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:44,840
address and I obviously

1220
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:49,429
get them but if it's a renter if it's a leasy those those

1221
00:55:49,429 --> 00:55:50,599
become issues that

1222
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:54,460
we've always addressed when we had even the oil fracking

1223
00:55:54,460 --> 00:55:56,079
issue - how do we notice

1224
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:59,320
people when the surrounding area so that's part of the

1225
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:00,719
process and problem is

1226
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:05,159
it that owner doesn't pass it on or whatever then we're in

1227
00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:05,760
the hard place

1228
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,239
yes exactly and I think that's that that ball on street is

1229
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:10,360
is right for that it's

1230
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:15,050
college kids it's probably 60 rent 40 own percentage you

1231
00:56:15,050 --> 00:56:15,960
know so that makes

1232
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,599
sense but then it's again as a property owner who's renting

1233
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:19,840
you just may not

1234
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,039
care that it comes to that fruition and he may move on and

1235
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:24,039
meet do something

1236
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:27,119
else with that property so it's it's a balancing act that

1237
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:27,920
we have to you know

1238
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:36,320
walk through with this notice situation I agree any other

1239
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,239
further questions for

1240
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:45,639
staff on this item thank you Ross that will move us to I

1241
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:49,239
don't see well Ross

1242
00:56:49,239 --> 00:57:04,639
item 4c item 4c is SUP 1518 Elm courts the request is

1243
00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:06,079
regarding a specific use

1244
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:10,429
permit to allow multifamily dwelling units on approximately

1245
00:57:10,429 --> 00:57:11,840
0.8 acres

1246
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:16,519
within a neighborhood residential 12 zoning district

1247
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:17,639
location of the

1248
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:22,659
properties on the southeast corner of Talaferro Street and

1249
00:57:22,659 --> 00:57:24,119
North Elm Street

1250
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:28,780
zoning map indicates that the property is owned in our

1251
00:57:28,780 --> 00:57:31,280
immune 12 and within

1252
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,949
that zoning district multifamily units require an SUP that

1253
00:57:34,949 --> 00:57:37,400
zoning district was

1254
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:43,030
indicated and established by an ordinance in 2002 which

1255
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:44,400
anticipated the

1256
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:49,280
eventual placement of multifamily units on the property the

1257
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,039
feature land use map

1258
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:55,280
shows the area as low residential and adjacent properties

1259
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,679
are residential in

1260
00:57:56,679 --> 00:58:02,309
nature I want to point out kind of a condition of the site

1261
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:03,480
that kind of

1262
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,829
inhibits support for multifamily and that would be that

1263
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:09,400
North Elm Street and

1264
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:14,110
North Locust Street are couplet streets which are act which

1265
00:58:14,110 --> 00:58:15,440
are regional

1266
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,190
thoroughfares throughout the city northwest thoroughfares

1267
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:20,039
they are highly

1268
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:23,960
trafficked in multifamily units for this property will be

1269
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,000
accessed off in

1270
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,650
Talaferro within their site plan and no direct access off

1271
00:58:29,650 --> 00:58:30,800
of Elm Street Elm

1272
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:37,440
Street is a southbound one-way street more intensity and

1273
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,159
vehicle trips are on

1274
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:43,760
the south side of University but this also these are

1275
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,400
streets that are used as

1276
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,750
thoroughfares north and south the site plan indicates that

1277
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:52,239
there are two two

1278
00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:58,119
story units having four units total per each building and

1279
00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:00,039
one one story unit

1280
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:04,110
having a four-bedroom multifamily unit these are the

1281
00:59:04,110 --> 00:59:05,920
submitted elevations

1282
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,570
indicated from the applicants we've worked with the

1283
00:59:09,570 --> 00:59:11,199
applicants to upgrade

1284
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:15,050
and make sure that these are high quality presidential

1285
00:59:15,050 --> 00:59:16,119
character in style

1286
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:20,570
and care and and in composition they are walk-up units to

1287
00:59:20,570 --> 00:59:22,320
towards the rear the

1288
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:28,150
face the front facing the Elm Street will be the front

1289
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:32,760
facade here we did

1290
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,900
review a landscape plan an alternative buffer plan for the

1291
00:59:37,900 --> 00:59:39,840
use of a two-sided

1292
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:46,070
wood fence and that was approved by staff instead of a 20-

1293
00:59:46,070 --> 00:59:47,039
foot landscape

1294
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:52,929
buffer required against the adjacent single-family area to

1295
00:59:52,929 --> 00:59:53,800
the east

1296
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,880
considerations the NRBU 12 zoning was established in 2002

1297
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:58,840
and anticipated

1298
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,449
multifamily development proposed multifamily units are

1299
01:00:02,449 --> 01:00:03,440
consistent and

1300
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:08,179
scale and density of surrounding properties North Elm and

1301
01:00:08,179 --> 01:00:09,079
Locust are

1302
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:12,639
material thoroughfares that inhibit low residential

1303
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:15,559
patterns the approach the

1304
01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:19,909
proposed multifamily complies with screening methods are

1305
01:00:19,909 --> 01:00:20,559
required by

1306
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:25,969
chapter 13 of the DDC and the proposal complies with the

1307
01:00:25,969 --> 01:00:28,039
criteria listed for

1308
01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:32,110
approval of SUPs as outlined in your staff report so with

1309
01:00:32,110 --> 01:00:33,440
that again public

1310
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:38,739
notifications were made with 21 92 and again zero

1311
01:00:38,739 --> 01:00:40,800
respondents we did hold a

1312
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,480
neighborhood meeting and there were questions from a

1313
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,000
handful of staff that

1314
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:51,739
the applicant fielded and provided information to to

1315
01:00:51,739 --> 01:00:54,159
residents with that

1316
01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:58,019
staff is recommending approval subject to some conditions

1317
01:00:58,019 --> 01:01:00,079
that the SUP

1318
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:03,539
substantially complies with the submitted site plan

1319
01:01:03,539 --> 01:01:04,719
building elevations

1320
01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:10,000
and landscape plan any questions please commissioner Ros

1321
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,559
sell I think this be a

1322
01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:17,599
quick question what is low residential patterns is second

1323
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:18,599
last side he said it

1324
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:28,719
inhibits low residential patterns it's not really with that

1325
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:31,840
vernacular really

1326
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:36,250
the intent was to show that this is a unique condition in

1327
01:01:36,250 --> 01:01:37,679
the city where we

1328
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:42,619
have single-family lots backing up to one side of either of

1329
01:01:42,619 --> 01:01:44,000
a thoroughfare

1330
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:50,300
there are residential low residential patterns that follow

1331
01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:52,199
the future land use

1332
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:55,699
map being that they are neighborhood context they have

1333
01:01:55,699 --> 01:01:56,880
residential streets

1334
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,849
they have entry and exit from the thoroughfares and then

1335
01:02:00,849 --> 01:02:01,880
kind of circulate

1336
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:07,760
through to other thoroughfares it's difficult to apply in

1337
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:08,559
cutting in

1338
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:14,190
context this condition of in between the streets as low

1339
01:02:14,190 --> 01:02:17,800
residential thank you

1340
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,400
Commissioner Briegel thank you chair okay y'all know how

1341
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:22,239
much I super love

1342
01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:25,550
infill like this is this is great because it's so quirky

1343
01:02:25,550 --> 01:02:26,639
piece of land and

1344
01:02:26,639 --> 01:02:30,079
I'm trying to think I mean I drive past it all the time

1345
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:31,179
Ross do you have any

1346
01:02:31,179 --> 01:02:33,980
pictures of what's there currently I'm I'm like racking my

1347
01:02:33,980 --> 01:02:34,840
brain trying to

1348
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:40,679
think of what there is a a wood structured single-family

1349
01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:41,760
home that's

1350
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,690
right here I went knocked on the door to make sure that you

1351
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:45,760
know they knew I was

1352
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:50,360
going to place a sign on the property outside that it is

1353
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,679
you know a there are

1354
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:57,280
multiple kind of rental structures small multi-family small

1355
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,760
single-family units

1356
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:03,510
surrounding this corner of the street but the property

1357
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:05,440
itself is just that one

1358
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,039
unit just that one and well that unit that will disappear

1359
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:13,239
yes what where's I'm

1360
01:03:13,239 --> 01:03:15,840
just carry where's Dan's meat market is that to the north I

1361
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:16,320
'm just trying to

1362
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:23,119
like yeah yeah okay that's great thanks Commissioner Taylor

1363
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:24,719
a quick question

1364
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:29,739
that might be more of an engineering question why doesn't

1365
01:03:29,739 --> 01:03:31,000
tell if tell you

1366
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:36,119
Pharaoh connect to locust it's we own the land city owns

1367
01:03:36,119 --> 01:03:37,280
the land it's even

1368
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,219
got pavement there but there's like a little barrier right

1369
01:03:40,219 --> 01:03:41,699
there it's been

1370
01:03:41,699 --> 01:03:45,949
there for a long time what I was told by our streets

1371
01:03:45,949 --> 01:03:46,800
department is that

1372
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,909
telepharo dead ends I believe somewhere out in this area

1373
01:03:50,909 --> 01:03:53,039
right here reason being

1374
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:57,219
I mean it's been closed for over what I was told over 30

1375
01:03:57,219 --> 01:03:59,760
years and I think the

1376
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,360
reason I was told was that residents back then complained

1377
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:05,679
about the amount of

1378
01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:09,110
cut-through traffic along that narrow street and so to sit

1379
01:04:09,110 --> 01:04:10,039
and decided to

1380
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:16,840
close that to prevent that cut-through traffic it is very

1381
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:17,280
narrow

1382
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:24,039
sorry Commissioner Bruegel thank you chair is it open on

1383
01:04:24,039 --> 01:04:25,880
Bolivar there yes

1384
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:32,170
and that's a two-way street so okay that's that's the

1385
01:04:32,170 --> 01:04:34,199
answer I can give you

1386
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:42,179
probably more of an alley yeah yeah the pavement did go

1387
01:04:42,179 --> 01:04:42,920
through but there's

1388
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,780
there are posts with a little metal you know guardrail

1389
01:04:46,780 --> 01:04:48,039
barrier across there like

1390
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:53,269
some at some point we closed the street so just I just have

1391
01:04:53,269 --> 01:04:55,599
a comment I like the

1392
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:58,489
project along with Commissioner Bruegel to see the infill

1393
01:04:58,489 --> 01:04:59,599
it's something I've

1394
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:02,340
championed on this Commission over and over again so it's

1395
01:05:02,340 --> 01:05:03,159
nice to see that

1396
01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:06,909
redevelopment and it's nice to see the buildings and that

1397
01:05:06,909 --> 01:05:07,880
may be a design

1398
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,199
criteria up against the street versus the parking lot like

1399
01:05:11,199 --> 01:05:12,000
the unit that's

1400
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,059
further to the south there so I think it's going to be a

1401
01:05:15,059 --> 01:05:16,199
much nicer look and

1402
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:19,800
more of a residential feel and the final comment and I may

1403
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,079
have misunderstood in

1404
01:05:21,079 --> 01:05:23,829
your presentation I thought you said it the only access was

1405
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:24,840
going to be on Tyler

1406
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:29,079
Farrow but it looks like there's also an approach that

1407
01:05:29,079 --> 01:05:33,599
comes back out fire and

1408
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:40,250
emergency and trash truck exit so is it going to be one of

1409
01:05:40,250 --> 01:05:41,719
those that's gated or

1410
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:46,719
or it's just it's probably it's an exit only we have signs

1411
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:47,639
on it may have signs

1412
01:05:47,639 --> 01:05:52,920
and hooded okay curves okay so the only entrance is off to

1413
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,130
Farrell but it has an exit out right to Elm okay I

1414
01:05:56,130 --> 01:05:57,400
misunderstood your in your

1415
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:03,239
presentation on the delineation there any other questions

1416
01:06:03,239 --> 01:06:06,239
for staff thank you

1417
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:14,550
Ross again just to reiterate our item D which is Buckeyes

1418
01:06:14,550 --> 01:06:16,639
which is ADP 16 - 0 0

1419
01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:20,719
0 2 that is going to be continued tonight so we will not

1420
01:06:20,719 --> 01:06:21,000
have a

1421
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:25,829
presentation here at work session and we will only open

1422
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:28,199
that item in our public

1423
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:31,179
session in council chambers and then we will continue that

1424
01:06:31,179 --> 01:06:32,079
item for anybody

1425
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:35,449
who's going to be here to see that item it will not be

1426
01:06:35,449 --> 01:06:39,280
heard tonight so seeing

1427
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,230
nothing else on our work session agenda I'm going to close

1428
01:06:43,230 --> 01:06:44,800
our work session at

1429
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:49,199
620 and we'll try to reconvene at 630 in council chambers

1430
01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:51,800
thank you

1431
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:12,119
[Music]

1432
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,219
now we're good good evening and welcome to our planning and

1433
01:07:22,219 --> 01:07:22,920
zoning Commission

1434
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:28,440
meeting for March the 9th it is 634 and this meeting has

1435
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:29,920
been duly posted and we

1436
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,010
have a quorum present and I'm gonna call our meeting to

1437
01:07:32,010 --> 01:07:34,239
order and our first item

1438
01:07:34,239 --> 01:07:38,429
of business is going to be to stand for the US and the

1439
01:07:38,429 --> 01:07:39,400
Texas flag

1440
01:07:56,679 --> 01:08:07,119
Texas flag to be Texas one state under God one individual

1441
01:08:14,119 --> 01:08:16,880
our next item of business is going to be to consider our

1442
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,680
minutes and I'd like

1443
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,920
that and then two separate motions one for the tenth and a

1444
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:24,880
separate motion and

1445
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,920
we'll take that one first

1446
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,310
Commissioner Taylor I move approval of the February 10th

1447
01:08:36,310 --> 01:08:36,880
planning zoning

1448
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,399
Commission minutes

1449
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,640
Commissioner Beck I take the motion okay we have a first

1450
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:48,479
and a second any

1451
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:54,159
discussion seeing none I'll call for a vote on the board

1452
01:08:54,159 --> 01:09:08,560
motion carries six zero

1453
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:15,520
with one recuse Commissioner Dudowitz yes chair thank you I

1454
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:16,920
approve the minutes

1455
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:21,720
February 24th okay I have a second

1456
01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:27,319
Commissioner Bribble I'll second okay the first and second

1457
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:28,000
any discussion on

1458
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:33,600
minutes seeing none call for a vote on the board

1459
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:51,649
that Adam passes six zero with one recuse that moves us to

1460
01:09:51,649 --> 01:09:52,800
our consent

1461
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,199
agenda

1462
01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:03,449
Commissioner Beck motion we approve the consent agenda okay

1463
01:10:03,449 --> 01:10:04,479
Commissioner

1464
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:08,949
Dudowitz I second we have a first and a second any

1465
01:10:08,949 --> 01:10:12,840
discussion seeing none call

1466
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,640
for a vote on the board

1467
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:27,050
the motion carries seven zero that will move us to our

1468
01:10:27,050 --> 01:10:30,880
public hearing section

1469
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:35,880
for this evening as a point of order on tonight's agenda

1470
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:40,079
item D which is ADP 16

1471
01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:45,399
- 0 0 0 2 I'm going to change the order and I'm going to

1472
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:47,520
open that item for

1473
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,710
public hearing at this time and we are going to continue

1474
01:10:51,710 --> 01:10:53,359
that public hearing

1475
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:59,039
until a date certain of March the 23rd

1476
01:11:03,359 --> 01:11:07,210
that will move us to our next item back on the order of our

1477
01:11:07,210 --> 01:11:09,640
agenda which is

1478
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:14,819
going to be item a and I'm going to open the public hearing

1479
01:11:14,819 --> 01:11:19,399
for z 16 - 0 0 1 B

1480
01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:23,479
I'm going to turn that over to Manal for a presentation

1481
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,079
thank you chair person

1482
01:11:25,079 --> 01:11:27,539
strange at this point if you would like to call the

1483
01:11:27,539 --> 01:11:28,760
applicant to make their

1484
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:35,199
presentation the applicant here to speak please say your

1485
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:36,119
name and address for the

1486
01:11:36,119 --> 01:11:39,600
record please and chairman members of the Commission my

1487
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:40,840
name is Greg Edwards I'm

1488
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:45,079
with Greg Edwards in engineering services we're at 1621

1489
01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:45,840
Amanda Court

1490
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:53,319
pondered Texas basically our clients are interested in

1491
01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:54,880
developing a townhome

1492
01:11:54,880 --> 01:12:00,319
project at this location fortunately for us and in meeting

1493
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:01,119
with the staff it

1494
01:12:01,119 --> 01:12:07,560
appears to be in it appears to be consistent with the city

1495
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,119
's master plans

1496
01:12:09,119 --> 01:12:13,619
and we appreciate your consideration and recommendation on

1497
01:12:13,619 --> 01:12:16,119
to City Council and

1498
01:12:16,119 --> 01:12:22,140
Javier Rodriguez with the owner is here also if you have

1499
01:12:22,140 --> 01:12:24,880
any questions any

1500
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:34,149
questions for the applicant thank you thank you sir at this

1501
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:37,119
time we'll call

1502
01:12:37,119 --> 01:12:42,199
ask Julie Wyatt to make the staff presentation please

1503
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:56,119
all right just a summary of the the request before you the

1504
01:12:56,119 --> 01:12:57,079
request is to

1505
01:12:57,079 --> 01:13:01,939
rezone the subject property outlined in yellow from NR 2 to

1506
01:13:01,939 --> 01:13:04,720
NR MU the location is

1507
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:09,550
at the corner of Bonnie Bray and Windsor staff analyzed the

1508
01:13:09,550 --> 01:13:11,600
request and due to

1509
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,210
site site constraints regarding a gas well as well as flood

1510
01:13:15,210 --> 01:13:16,600
plain in addition

1511
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,470
to conformance with the Denton development plan I'm sorry

1512
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:22,319
the didn't plan 2030 and

1513
01:13:22,319 --> 01:13:25,390
the criteria for approval in the Denton development code

1514
01:13:25,390 --> 01:13:26,279
staff recommends

1515
01:13:26,279 --> 01:13:38,199
approval of this request any questions for staff thank you

1516
01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:39,920
Julie this is a

1517
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,789
public hearing anyone that would like to speak on this item

1518
01:13:42,789 --> 01:13:43,680
is welcome to come

1519
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:47,920
forward for this item or feature items that will hear

1520
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:48,960
tonight please fill out a

1521
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,270
card and when you approach you'll have four minutes and

1522
01:13:52,270 --> 01:13:53,319
please have your name

1523
01:13:53,319 --> 01:13:55,800
and address again public this is a public hearing and

1524
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:56,439
anyone who would like

1525
01:13:56,439 --> 01:14:00,439
to speak on this item is welcome to approach

1526
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,600
approach and please give us your name and address and when

1527
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,399
you're finished if

1528
01:14:07,399 --> 01:14:10,710
you will get with they have cards I think right outside the

1529
01:14:10,710 --> 01:14:10,840
door

1530
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,479
mr. chairman I thought represent my name is Jose Montoya I

1531
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,479
live at 3008 Beverly

1532
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:21,970
Drive I work at Immaculate Conception Church and school and

1533
01:14:21,970 --> 01:14:23,119
I have several

1534
01:14:23,119 --> 01:14:28,920
questions regarding the application in the report that mr.

1535
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:29,680
it would just

1536
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:34,359
presented site history they quoted that there had been no

1537
01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:36,159
proposed plans for

1538
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:41,569
that site there was a proposal for another church there so

1539
01:14:41,569 --> 01:14:44,079
that is a not in

1540
01:14:44,079 --> 01:14:50,149
consideration there the proposed site also mentions the gas

1541
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:51,760
well not too long

1542
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:57,060
ago we had a burst in that gas line close to 35 we are

1543
01:14:57,060 --> 01:14:58,520
right across the

1544
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:03,119
street from that gas well the major building there is the

1545
01:15:03,119 --> 01:15:04,439
elementary school

1546
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:10,119
building okay less than 500 feet the additional

1547
01:15:10,119 --> 01:15:12,600
construction which goes from

1548
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:20,760
the two to four homes per acre now is 30 to 40 townhomes

1549
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:22,439
the additional not only

1550
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:27,560
traffic but the people traffic in that area would increase

1551
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,880
multiple times that

1552
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,189
in conjunction with the activities that North Lakes has on

1553
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:34,039
Saturdays and Sundays

1554
01:15:34,039 --> 01:15:38,390
and weekends would additionally increase the traffic flow

1555
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:39,640
we have four major

1556
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,949
events that are taking place during the school year I mean

1557
01:15:42,949 --> 01:15:44,800
during the year that

1558
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:49,659
being December 8th December 12th where we have over 1,000

1559
01:15:49,659 --> 01:15:51,199
people coming to

1560
01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:55,449
church and the traffic flow we occupy every parking space

1561
01:15:55,449 --> 01:15:56,800
every handicapped

1562
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:02,430
space across the street in the city property of the park

1563
01:16:02,430 --> 01:16:04,239
and by the well and

1564
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:11,829
at North Lakes we are a community of over 4,800 families

1565
01:16:11,829 --> 01:16:14,520
the additional homes

1566
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:21,220
would also increase the I would like to call it family use

1567
01:16:21,220 --> 01:16:22,760
of our facilities

1568
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,649
which we currently have with our neighbors to the west of

1569
01:16:26,649 --> 01:16:27,479
us who have

1570
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:31,340
jumped the fence that we put up who to play basketball on

1571
01:16:31,340 --> 01:16:32,840
our courts to play on

1572
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:36,279
the children's playground and have broken that on several

1573
01:16:36,279 --> 01:16:37,319
instances and we

1574
01:16:37,319 --> 01:16:40,640
have no recourse but to say homeowners Association can you

1575
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:41,760
help us out that's

1576
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,909
not our problem we also have the water flow that's coming

1577
01:16:45,909 --> 01:16:46,560
off of that

1578
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:50,590
development the water flow is of concern we are in a flood

1579
01:16:50,590 --> 01:16:51,720
plain we are

1580
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,649
taking water as we speak with even this rain the increased

1581
01:16:55,649 --> 01:16:56,920
water flow that is

1582
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:01,779
mentioned in the report of going to the sewer okay is a

1583
01:17:01,779 --> 01:17:03,479
concern of the water

1584
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:08,340
flow I know that it's easy to tap into the Windsor sewer

1585
01:17:08,340 --> 01:17:09,960
and water line but

1586
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,819
you're not looking at the downflow of that sewer would end

1587
01:17:13,819 --> 01:17:15,000
up plugging up our

1588
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:19,350
sewer which runs uphill halfway to the school and then down

1589
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:20,920
to suit to Windsor

1590
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:27,289
I would ask the following questions will there be a street

1591
01:17:27,289 --> 01:17:30,079
placed on the property

1592
01:17:30,079 --> 01:17:37,800
and if so where is the egress sites on that will there be a

1593
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,920
sewer line placed

1594
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:45,800
along Bonnie Bray that would help that development as well

1595
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:47,039
as us we already

1596
01:17:47,039 --> 01:17:51,899
have the flow from the West coming on to Windsor and the

1597
01:17:51,899 --> 01:17:53,520
new buildings that are

1598
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:58,600
currently there this would again put a strain on our sewer

1599
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,159
lines which are now

1600
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:03,479
going to Windsor we have no other way to get rid of our

1601
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,359
switch will there be a

1602
01:18:05,359 --> 01:18:09,520
traffic light due to the increased traffic at the corner of

1603
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:10,000
that

1604
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:14,600
intersection Windsor Bonnie Bray we have a fire department

1605
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,380
who oftentimes has to

1606
01:18:16,380 --> 01:18:20,710
run through there and traffic does not allow it to go

1607
01:18:20,710 --> 01:18:22,760
through will there be a

1608
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:27,659
light place at the intersection let me conclude by saying

1609
01:18:27,659 --> 01:18:29,039
that the gas pumps

1610
01:18:29,039 --> 01:18:34,260
across the property are of concern to us if there's going

1611
01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:36,039
to be commercial pipes

1612
01:18:36,039 --> 01:18:41,149
or store thank you for your time a question for you yes are

1613
01:18:41,149 --> 01:18:41,699
you

1614
01:18:41,699 --> 01:18:46,159
representing the school this evening both okay I'm looking

1615
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:47,520
at our notification

1616
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:52,010
map at this time we didn't have a comment from you either

1617
01:18:52,010 --> 01:18:52,800
for against are

1618
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,029
you indicating that you're against the project or do you

1619
01:18:55,029 --> 01:18:55,880
have just concerns

1620
01:18:55,880 --> 01:19:06,239
against okay any other questions

1621
01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:14,960
I had it on there sorry Commissioner back thank you chair

1622
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,359
your concern about

1623
01:19:16,359 --> 01:19:19,600
the sewage that it's a legitimate concern how is it

1624
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:20,920
functioning now is it

1625
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,210
doing properly what it's supposed to be doing are you

1626
01:19:23,210 --> 01:19:24,359
having problems with it

1627
01:19:24,359 --> 01:19:28,109
now we have to shut down one of our facility bathrooms in

1628
01:19:28,109 --> 01:19:29,359
the chapel because

1629
01:19:29,359 --> 01:19:34,739
we couldn't get the sewage to go uphill it has to go uphill

1630
01:19:34,739 --> 01:19:36,439
to a level area go

1631
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:41,100
across about 200 feet and then slow back down we are in the

1632
01:19:41,100 --> 01:19:42,439
flood there was this

1633
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,260
just one incident or does this tend to occur when it rains

1634
01:19:45,260 --> 01:19:46,680
on it's been going

1635
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,539
on many many years we finally had to shut it down three

1636
01:19:50,539 --> 01:19:52,960
years ago okay thank

1637
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:57,909
you the only the only sewer line that comes up if I'm

1638
01:19:57,909 --> 01:19:59,359
mistaken would be to as

1639
01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:04,890
far as the Academy store and it stops there I have one

1640
01:20:04,890 --> 01:20:06,359
other question for you

1641
01:20:06,359 --> 01:20:11,340
Commissioner Roselle thank you chair previously this I don

1642
01:20:11,340 --> 01:20:11,800
't know if staff

1643
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,369
can speak to this we had a capacity looked into capacity

1644
01:20:14,369 --> 01:20:15,119
when we're looking

1645
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:18,000
at the fry Street Apartments has capacity been looked into

1646
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:18,600
in the road

1647
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:22,520
impact for traffic light and or the sewage sewage capacity

1648
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:23,840
of construction I

1649
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,590
know we're in the zoning process so it probably hasn't been

1650
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:34,439
done yet that type

1651
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:38,090
of detail would come at building permit okay thank you all

1652
01:20:38,090 --> 01:20:38,760
right actually at

1653
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:45,439
platting when it comes to that points already done and then

1654
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:46,920
we we end up having

1655
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:52,550
to absorb the additional sewage well we'll have an

1656
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:54,600
opportunity to review it

1657
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,380
at preliminary plat to approve whether the project will

1658
01:20:57,380 --> 01:20:58,439
proceed forward or not

1659
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,649
this is be just strictly for the zoning only at this time

1660
01:21:01,649 --> 01:21:03,079
thank you thank you

1661
01:21:03,079 --> 01:21:05,279
sir

1662
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:09,199
again this a public hearing is there anyone else that would

1663
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:10,279
like to speak on

1664
01:21:10,279 --> 01:21:17,039
this item tonight seeing none I'll close the public hearing

1665
01:21:17,039 --> 01:21:18,359
and the chair would

1666
01:21:18,359 --> 01:21:21,000
entertain a motion

1667
01:21:30,079 --> 01:21:34,000
Commissioner Tyler thank you chair just a few questions

1668
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:34,479
kind of follow up

1669
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:39,250
questions for staff first this might be a question to legal

1670
01:21:39,250 --> 01:21:42,640
do we or or Julie do

1671
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:47,689
we know if we are going to reach a super majority threshold

1672
01:21:47,689 --> 01:21:48,880
with the property to

1673
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,960
the south being in opposition we'll have to take a look at

1674
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,720
that calculation in

1675
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:59,310
time for the City Council and then my next two questions

1676
01:21:59,310 --> 01:22:00,520
are regarding

1677
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,829
infrastructure and as you said the fine details of

1678
01:22:03,829 --> 01:22:05,159
infrastructure will be done

1679
01:22:05,159 --> 01:22:08,689
at platting right but I think we can we can generally

1680
01:22:08,689 --> 01:22:10,079
answer some kind of

1681
01:22:10,079 --> 01:22:14,600
broader questions here so there's a concern of traffic is

1682
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,119
there any do you

1683
01:22:16,119 --> 01:22:19,520
have any estimation or perhaps Earl has some estimation of

1684
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:20,760
the traffic count now

1685
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:24,069
like well how much traffic goes on Windsor and Bonnie Bray

1686
01:22:24,069 --> 01:22:24,720
today and how

1687
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:29,010
many roughly units would be allowed on the property I can

1688
01:22:29,010 --> 01:22:30,880
answer to the units

1689
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:38,140
the density for it's it's five to six acres if we just look

1690
01:22:38,140 --> 01:22:39,800
at five acres it's

1691
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:43,109
it would be 12 dwelling units per acre so it could be up to

1692
01:22:43,109 --> 01:22:44,039
60 units I don't

1693
01:22:44,039 --> 01:22:46,359
know if they could actually do that due to so much of the

1694
01:22:46,359 --> 01:22:47,279
property actually

1695
01:22:47,279 --> 01:22:52,050
being in the flood zone but but if NRME would allow the 12

1696
01:22:52,050 --> 01:22:55,039
units per acre

1697
01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:02,859
with regards to traffic you know a single-family lot

1698
01:23:02,859 --> 01:23:06,760
generates 10 trips per

1699
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:11,279
day so I mean the maximum number of trips were talking

1700
01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:12,399
probably about 400

1701
01:23:12,399 --> 01:23:15,640
ships per day 40 based on 40 lots if they can physically

1702
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:16,760
fit 40 lots within

1703
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:21,000
this the confinements of this property with the floodplain

1704
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,760
and all Windsor and

1705
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:27,000
Bonnie Bray are secondary materials four lane roadways and

1706
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,319
they have a capacity

1707
01:23:28,319 --> 01:23:32,560
of about I'd say about 25,000 ships per day for each road

1708
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,840
way I don't have the

1709
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,439
current traffic counts on me but we're nowhere near that so

1710
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:39,760
right now we'd be

1711
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:44,300
looking at as its zone now this could this property could

1712
01:23:44,300 --> 01:23:45,600
generate up to maybe

1713
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:51,960
200 trips a day and based on 20 lines yeah and then with

1714
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:52,880
the new zoning you

1715
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:57,600
might be looking at apartments are slightly lower trips per

1716
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:58,279
day I believe

1717
01:23:58,279 --> 01:24:00,350
than in houses so you'd be looking at maybe five or six

1718
01:24:00,350 --> 01:24:01,319
hundred trips per day

1719
01:24:01,319 --> 01:24:05,479
but you have a total capacity of 25,000 on basically both

1720
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:06,880
roads so total capacity

1721
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:12,239
of 50,000 cars today so at what point would this this doesn

1722
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:12,720
't sound like it

1723
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,880
would be enough to push us to the point of getting a

1724
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,119
traffic light seems like

1725
01:24:16,119 --> 01:24:19,189
they will cost participate we foresee this being a signal

1726
01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:20,039
ized intersection

1727
01:24:20,039 --> 01:24:22,560
just because it's an intersection of two secondary arter

1728
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:23,880
ials so they will cost

1729
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,640
participate their proportionate share towards the signal

1730
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:27,720
there okay but then

1731
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,449
this this isn't the project that puts it over there this is

1732
01:24:30,449 --> 01:24:31,600
this development will

1733
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,920
not warrant a signal at this at this intersection however

1734
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:36,399
and then another my

1735
01:24:36,399 --> 01:24:40,489
other questions are regarding sewer we've had a neighbor

1736
01:24:40,489 --> 01:24:41,840
basically saying

1737
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,600
that they're having trouble with their sewer line having to

1738
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:44,159
run uphill and then

1739
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:47,920
downhill to get to the street where what part of the sewer

1740
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:48,720
line is the city

1741
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:52,050
responsible for and what part would just be private

1742
01:24:52,050 --> 01:24:54,279
ownership there is an

1743
01:24:54,279 --> 01:24:56,840
existing 10 inch sewer line along Windsor which this

1744
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:57,720
development will

1745
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,710
connect to I'm not familiar with the sewer situation of the

1746
01:25:01,710 --> 01:25:02,680
church but if

1747
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,920
it's going uphill sounds like it's some sort of pump

1748
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:06,239
pumping it uphill to get to

1749
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:10,670
this gravity line this development drain towards Windsor so

1750
01:25:10,670 --> 01:25:11,760
they should be able

1751
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,840
to gravity and towards that the city only owns basically

1752
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:17,279
the sewer line at the

1753
01:25:17,279 --> 01:25:21,239
road we own those sewer line on Windsor and depending on

1754
01:25:21,239 --> 01:25:22,640
how this development is

1755
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,750
laid out if there's a public street system to serve the

1756
01:25:26,750 --> 01:25:28,119
interior of this

1757
01:25:28,119 --> 01:25:30,899
development to serve each lot then the sewer line and water

1758
01:25:30,899 --> 01:25:31,760
line within that

1759
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,640
public street system will also be publicly owned so only

1760
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:35,720
with the roadway

1761
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:40,000
only if there's a public street though thank you

1762
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,909
I think one other question Commissioner Dudowitz yeah my

1763
01:25:42,909 --> 01:25:44,079
question is Julie could

1764
01:25:44,079 --> 01:25:47,819
put up the slate zone and zoning map that we saw in work

1765
01:25:47,819 --> 01:25:50,039
session so that we're

1766
01:25:50,039 --> 01:25:54,380
all clear thank you the property that's outlined in red

1767
01:25:54,380 --> 01:25:56,520
south of the what we're

1768
01:25:56,520 --> 01:26:01,760
talking about yes that is owned the it currently is MRMU

1769
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:02,720
which is what we're

1770
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,369
asking for that property to be sold correct correct you

1771
01:26:05,369 --> 01:26:06,819
know the Catholic

1772
01:26:06,819 --> 01:26:14,470
Church is in that orange area correct so the property that

1773
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:15,560
that is owned

1774
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:19,800
currently they were asking me rezoned has the same impact

1775
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:21,399
on those streets and

1776
01:26:21,399 --> 01:26:24,199
street sign and sewer if it was to be developed and I

1777
01:26:24,199 --> 01:26:24,680
understand there's

1778
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,560
sale there's a for sale signs on that property now as it

1779
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,439
furnishes both Windsor

1780
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:32,810
and Bonnie Bray so we're going to have that you know both

1781
01:26:32,810 --> 01:26:33,439
properties are going

1782
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:36,399
to have the same issues and they have to be addressed at

1783
01:26:36,399 --> 01:26:37,359
Platting yes all right

1784
01:26:37,359 --> 01:26:39,640
thank you

1785
01:26:51,039 --> 01:27:00,630
Commissioner Oselle I motion to approve Z 16000 1b

1786
01:27:00,630 --> 01:27:04,239
Commissioner Tyler second

1787
01:27:07,039 --> 01:27:10,680
first and second a discussion Commissioner Bruegel thank

1788
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,640
you chair Mr.

1789
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,850
Montoya thank you for being here this evening I hear a lot

1790
01:27:16,850 --> 01:27:18,560
of your concerns I

1791
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:22,000
really do is specifically the the concern about the gas

1792
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,239
well so close to

1793
01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:26,550
your property and so close to what could be a residential

1794
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:28,119
neighborhood the

1795
01:27:28,119 --> 01:27:31,430
families with children and and I brought that up during our

1796
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:32,600
work session and I

1797
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,399
encouraged city staff to to get on top of this sooner

1798
01:27:35,399 --> 01:27:37,119
rather than later at this

1799
01:27:37,119 --> 01:27:40,319
time we're looking specifically at the zoning requests and

1800
01:27:40,319 --> 01:27:41,119
all these other

1801
01:27:41,119 --> 01:27:44,060
concerns that you have which I share with you we will have

1802
01:27:44,060 --> 01:27:45,439
an opportunity when

1803
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:49,460
we see a proposed plat for this to go over all of those

1804
01:27:49,460 --> 01:27:51,039
issues so I want you

1805
01:27:51,039 --> 01:27:54,899
to know I heard you tonight that's going to be at a later

1806
01:27:54,899 --> 01:27:56,760
step though so just so

1807
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:03,079
we're clear any other requests to speak

1808
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:09,000
seeing none have a first and a second and I'll call for our

1809
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:10,880
vote on the board

1810
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:23,439
motion carries 7-0 at this time I'm going to open our next

1811
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:25,039
item for public

1812
01:28:25,039 --> 01:28:38,739
hearing Z 15 - 0 0 3 4 and I will call on the applicant Mr.

1813
01:28:38,739 --> 01:28:39,600
Chairman and members

1814
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:49,840
of the Commission my name is Lyle Drescher thank you my

1815
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:50,319
name is Lyle

1816
01:28:50,319 --> 01:28:54,250
Drescher I am the chairman of the facilities construction

1817
01:28:54,250 --> 01:28:55,560
committee for the

1818
01:28:55,560 --> 01:29:00,100
United Way of Denton County we are under contract subject

1819
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:01,279
to zoning to purchase

1820
01:29:01,279 --> 01:29:05,520
about five acres of property the sophomore Street and just

1821
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:06,640
to the west of

1822
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:10,779
Woodrow Lane that five acres is currently owned by the Dent

1823
01:29:10,779 --> 01:29:11,119
on Housing

1824
01:29:11,119 --> 01:29:13,529
Authority but I've already mentioned that it is under

1825
01:29:13,529 --> 01:29:14,640
contract to us subject

1826
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:18,890
to zoning our desire is in order to continue to expand the

1827
01:29:18,890 --> 01:29:19,920
services of

1828
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,550
United Way of Denton County and to better serve the

1829
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:23,800
community we just

1830
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:27,119
simply need to expand into a larger facility and our plans

1831
01:29:27,119 --> 01:29:27,840
are to build

1832
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:32,189
approximately 11,000 square feet of office space and

1833
01:29:32,189 --> 01:29:33,640
auditorium space for

1834
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:40,399
different community United Way agency activities we have a

1835
01:29:40,399 --> 01:29:41,439
staff here our

1836
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,899
architect is here so we're here to open to answer any

1837
01:29:43,899 --> 01:29:45,119
questions that you might

1838
01:29:45,119 --> 01:29:48,970
have during the hearing and would also like to offer my

1839
01:29:48,970 --> 01:29:50,520
appreciation to the

1840
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:54,189
planning staff who's been very helpful to us because we don

1841
01:29:54,189 --> 01:29:54,760
't do this very

1842
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:58,170
often and they've been very helpful in cutting guidance

1843
01:29:58,170 --> 01:30:00,079
through the process

1844
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:10,439
there's a Commissioner Hussbuth you have a question for the

1845
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:14,680
applicant yes mr. sir

1846
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:23,520
is it Dresdner Dresher all right let me get it back in

1847
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:27,560
front me bear with me so

1848
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:33,770
Ross could you help me with the site location the aerial

1849
01:30:33,770 --> 01:30:37,119
photo please sir

1850
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:44,670
can you so my question is the entrance or the access to the

1851
01:30:44,670 --> 01:30:47,199
property on Moore

1852
01:30:47,199 --> 01:30:52,119
Street what studies have been done or what's the proposed

1853
01:30:52,119 --> 01:30:54,840
better question has

1854
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:59,000
the access been vetted for fire for fire entrance to the

1855
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:00,319
property exit with

1856
01:31:00,319 --> 01:31:04,239
whatever those specifications are in order for it to be

1857
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:05,239
changed from

1858
01:31:05,239 --> 01:31:14,720
residential to EC1 it would need to be able to be accessed

1859
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:16,560
by a fire and so I'm

1860
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:22,189
just curious if that's been vetted or researched no it hasn

1861
01:31:22,189 --> 01:31:23,279
't been that's

1862
01:31:23,279 --> 01:31:25,909
we're looking at that as being part of the elements of the

1863
01:31:25,909 --> 01:31:26,840
site plan process

1864
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:30,149
and so as soon as if the zoning is approved then we will

1865
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:31,199
start addressing

1866
01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:35,060
those issues with our engineer and architect and the city

1867
01:31:35,060 --> 01:31:36,000
of Denton to be

1868
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:39,319
sure we meet all the fire fire code requirements ingress

1869
01:31:39,319 --> 01:31:39,880
and egress

1870
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:44,130
requirements traffic requirements drainage requirements and

1871
01:31:44,130 --> 01:31:46,760
so forth so to

1872
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:53,630
follow up if I may do you have some level of assurance that

1873
01:31:53,630 --> 01:31:54,840
that is able to

1874
01:31:54,840 --> 01:32:01,350
be achieved if it's zoned if it's rezoned have you have you

1875
01:32:01,350 --> 01:32:01,840
vetted it at

1876
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:05,699
all to see if that's even an option the way it's currently

1877
01:32:05,699 --> 01:32:07,840
laid out for it to be

1878
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,909
structured such that it fits those requirements or meets

1879
01:32:11,909 --> 01:32:12,359
those

1880
01:32:12,359 --> 01:32:15,899
requirements yes we've had some initial conversations with

1881
01:32:15,899 --> 01:32:16,720
our consultants

1882
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:20,229
and their conversations with the city of Denton we feel

1883
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:21,760
pretty comfortable that we

1884
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:26,760
can fill a usable facility on that on that property and and

1885
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:27,319
be a good

1886
01:32:27,319 --> 01:32:32,520
neighborhood neighbor to the to the neighborhood around us

1887
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:36,680
thank you please

1888
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:45,000
approach the Kelly Morgan Nelson Morgan architects thank

1889
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:46,560
you at this

1890
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:50,420
stage we've just kind of going through some preliminary

1891
01:32:50,420 --> 01:32:51,800
studies of that with

1892
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,600
this just being zoning we haven't gone into a detailed

1893
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:55,680
study those will be

1894
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:59,539
addressed during the building permit phase but there's no

1895
01:32:59,539 --> 01:33:00,359
problem with

1896
01:33:00,359 --> 01:33:04,340
meeting all the requirements of the fire we look at that on

1897
01:33:04,340 --> 01:33:05,560
a daily basis and

1898
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:09,239
this site being accessed from or should have no problem

1899
01:33:09,239 --> 01:33:10,800
meeting those right and

1900
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:16,430
if I may and so thank you chair so you just so you

1901
01:33:16,430 --> 01:33:20,560
understand my concern it's

1902
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:23,670
it's almost before we put the cart before the horse I want

1903
01:33:23,670 --> 01:33:24,960
to make sure you

1904
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:28,470
know there's been some that it not saying detail vetting

1905
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:29,479
but vetting all

1906
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,470
the same that that we don't get to a point to where we're

1907
01:33:32,470 --> 01:33:33,720
we're backed into a

1908
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:38,869
corner if you will so that's I was thank you yes that's

1909
01:33:38,869 --> 01:33:40,760
correct any other

1910
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:47,239
questions for the applicant thank you sir

1911
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:50,439
in our rules of procedure you can have one other speaker

1912
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:51,600
for the applicant

1913
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,439
representative if there's someone else that would like to

1914
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:55,520
present on behalf of

1915
01:33:55,520 --> 01:34:03,100
the applicant good evening I'm Sherry McDade at 1225 Wilson

1916
01:34:03,100 --> 01:34:04,319
Street here in

1917
01:34:04,319 --> 01:34:07,720
Denton I am the CEO for the Housing Authority and we own

1918
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:08,960
the land I just

1919
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:12,609
want to let the Commission know that the Housing Authority

1920
01:34:12,609 --> 01:34:13,800
is really excited

1921
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:17,380
about this partnership with United Way we have a office

1922
01:34:17,380 --> 01:34:18,720
building but it's a

1923
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:22,029
little bit too small and we would like to better serve the

1924
01:34:22,029 --> 01:34:23,119
clients that we have

1925
01:34:23,119 --> 01:34:25,659
now and we just don't have enough space and so we're

1926
01:34:25,659 --> 01:34:27,159
partnering with United Way

1927
01:34:27,159 --> 01:34:30,899
to have some space in that building to be able to have

1928
01:34:30,899 --> 01:34:32,479
meetings to provide

1929
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:36,399
services for our clients I think that the building and

1930
01:34:36,399 --> 01:34:37,560
United Way themselves

1931
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:39,699
will be a great addition to the community in the

1932
01:34:39,699 --> 01:34:40,600
neighborhood and

1933
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:43,810
bringing in the services that they offer for the community

1934
01:34:43,810 --> 01:34:46,079
thank you thank you if

1935
01:34:46,079 --> 01:34:50,539
you will please fill out a card for us as well appreciate

1936
01:34:50,539 --> 01:34:52,720
that at this time I

1937
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:57,270
will call on excuse me I'm sorry I apologize commissioner D

1938
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:57,840
utta was just

1939
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,409
for clarification will we have the opportunity to readdress

1940
01:35:00,409 --> 01:35:01,079
or ask questions

1941
01:35:01,079 --> 01:35:07,199
of the applicant after this point I believe we can ask them

1942
01:35:07,199 --> 01:35:07,279
to approach

1943
01:35:07,279 --> 01:35:15,039
again yes thank you thank you for the clarification at this

1944
01:35:15,039 --> 01:35:15,520
time I'm going to

1945
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:19,119
call on Ross Culberson to come and make the staff

1946
01:35:19,119 --> 01:35:21,279
presentation for us please

1947
01:35:23,359 --> 01:35:28,989
thank you chair the slide before you indicates the details

1948
01:35:28,989 --> 01:35:30,439
and staffs

1949
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:34,000
analysis and presentation of this project to you the

1950
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:35,359
request is for an NR

1951
01:35:35,359 --> 01:35:41,729
from rezoning from an NR4 to ECI in employment commercial

1952
01:35:41,729 --> 01:35:43,439
industrial the

1953
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:46,680
applicant owner as indicated with the United Way of Denton

1954
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:47,739
and Denton Housing

1955
01:35:47,739 --> 01:35:53,970
Authority as current owner location as you have seen is off

1956
01:35:53,970 --> 01:35:55,359
of Moore streets

1957
01:35:55,359 --> 01:36:01,430
within the two two vacant properties they're shown staffs

1958
01:36:01,430 --> 01:36:02,359
finding indicates

1959
01:36:02,359 --> 01:36:05,880
that ECI would allow for the applicants use of office

1960
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:07,760
community services it's

1961
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:13,289
is in proximity to other community service uses around in

1962
01:36:13,289 --> 01:36:15,479
the neighborhood

1963
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:20,729
particularly the Denton Housing Authority facility and the

1964
01:36:20,729 --> 01:36:22,020
Martin Luther King

1965
01:36:22,020 --> 01:36:26,369
jr. recreational facility that's in the area to service

1966
01:36:26,369 --> 01:36:27,680
didn't community in this

1967
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:34,119
area staff finds that the request for the rezoning is

1968
01:36:34,119 --> 01:36:34,960
consistent with the

1969
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:40,140
future land use map and any subject site design is

1970
01:36:40,140 --> 01:36:41,960
indicated by the staff the

1971
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:45,270
applicant and the architect will be scrutinized at the

1972
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:46,319
building permit

1973
01:36:46,319 --> 01:36:50,199
level for screening and appropriateness next to single-

1974
01:36:50,199 --> 01:36:51,399
family so with that staff

1975
01:36:51,399 --> 01:36:57,159
is recommending approval of this request to you any

1976
01:36:57,159 --> 01:36:59,960
questions for staff I see none

1977
01:36:59,960 --> 01:37:05,979
this time on board thank you Ross again this is a public

1978
01:37:05,979 --> 01:37:07,199
hearing anyone who would

1979
01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:10,100
like to speak on this item please come forward state your

1980
01:37:10,100 --> 01:37:11,239
name and address and

1981
01:37:11,239 --> 01:37:14,260
fill out a card at this time yes a public hearing anyone

1982
01:37:14,260 --> 01:37:15,079
who'd like to

1983
01:37:15,079 --> 01:37:18,479
speak on this item please come forward

1984
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:31,340
my name is Ronnie Hanson live at 1700 Morris Street we have

1985
01:37:31,340 --> 01:37:32,800
two pieces of

1986
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:37,800
residential property that are facing Morris that our houses

1987
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:39,039
will be back up

1988
01:37:39,039 --> 01:37:43,500
to this this project I bought the property approximately

1989
01:37:43,500 --> 01:37:44,439
six seven years

1990
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:49,579
ago knowing that it was residential property behind me now

1991
01:37:49,579 --> 01:37:50,720
it looks like

1992
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:54,479
they want to change it up and build a office building back

1993
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:55,520
here and let me

1994
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:59,680
explain I have no problem against progress and a United Way

1995
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:00,340
having a

1996
01:38:00,340 --> 01:38:09,199
building to me I have a lot of unknowns there's a lot of

1997
01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:10,319
unknown variables I

1998
01:38:10,319 --> 01:38:13,869
don't know exactly what this property is going to be used

1999
01:38:13,869 --> 01:38:15,760
for and I'm hard of

2000
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:19,069
hearing so if somebody has said something that that I'm

2001
01:38:19,069 --> 01:38:19,840
asking and they've

2002
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:23,699
already answered question I apologize but I don't like the

2003
01:38:23,699 --> 01:38:25,000
fact that they have

2004
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,060
the entrance on on Morris Street and it's going to slow

2005
01:38:28,060 --> 01:38:29,439
down traffic we have

2006
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,520
an elementary school we have a recreation center down the

2007
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:33,119
street from

2008
01:38:33,119 --> 01:38:36,449
there whenever school starts up at the first year I have

2009
01:38:36,449 --> 01:38:37,800
cars lined up and down

2010
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:43,319
my street and and with access on to more Street I don't

2011
01:38:43,319 --> 01:38:44,960
know how much employees

2012
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:47,779
are going to be there I don't know what benefits there as

2013
01:38:47,779 --> 01:38:50,000
far as their auditorium

2014
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,289
and that they're going to have people there what the

2015
01:38:52,289 --> 01:38:53,600
traffic's gonna bring I

2016
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:57,789
don't know if they're changing the zoning for this now what

2017
01:38:57,789 --> 01:38:58,520
happens in the

2018
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:01,880
future they want to change the zoning and have homeless

2019
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:03,119
people living back

2020
01:39:03,119 --> 01:39:06,430
there or they want to have a soup kitchen these are my

2021
01:39:06,430 --> 01:39:07,960
concerns currently

2022
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:13,699
right now far as about six months ago I lost two trees in

2023
01:39:13,699 --> 01:39:14,840
my backyard due to the

2024
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:18,319
runoff coming back there it softened up the dirt my trees

2025
01:39:18,319 --> 01:39:18,880
fell over in the

2026
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:22,189
backyard they're going to have a parking lot is it going to

2027
01:39:22,189 --> 01:39:22,640
make it's going to

2028
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,359
make matters worse when my backyard soaking wet all the

2029
01:39:25,359 --> 01:39:26,399
time are they going

2030
01:39:26,399 --> 01:39:28,539
to build a parking lot whether it's going to be parking

2031
01:39:28,539 --> 01:39:29,760
lots shining in my

2032
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:34,489
backyard and and in my backyard there's just these all-

2033
01:39:34,489 --> 01:39:36,640
known variables the last

2034
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:39,350
meeting I went to they said well you don't if they don't

2035
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:40,199
sell to us they're

2036
01:39:40,199 --> 01:39:42,350
going to sell to somebody else and you don't know what you

2037
01:39:42,350 --> 01:39:43,079
're going to have

2038
01:39:43,079 --> 01:39:45,439
behind you I really don't know what I'm going to have

2039
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:47,520
behind me now because

2040
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,720
they've already changed they're changing this from

2041
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:51,800
residential to industrial they

2042
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:54,880
can change it to something else and quite frankly if

2043
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:56,079
somebody else would buy

2044
01:39:56,079 --> 01:40:00,180
the property they'd most likely want to have my property to

2045
01:40:00,180 --> 01:40:01,600
have access to Moore

2046
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:06,199
Street and so I just have a lot of unknown variables and

2047
01:40:06,199 --> 01:40:08,079
until I get these

2048
01:40:08,079 --> 01:40:11,829
answer these questions I'm not happy with it there's just

2049
01:40:11,829 --> 01:40:12,640
there's too many

2050
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:17,909
blanks that I'm not familiar with thank you sir do you

2051
01:40:17,909 --> 01:40:19,399
speak against this

2052
01:40:19,399 --> 01:40:23,359
assignment I repose this we didn't get any response when

2053
01:40:23,359 --> 01:40:24,279
the notices were sent

2054
01:40:24,279 --> 01:40:26,920
there was no reply so just for our records so I'll make

2055
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:28,079
sure you're against

2056
01:40:28,079 --> 01:40:31,430
and I need to find out which pieces of property you own if

2057
01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:32,600
we can get staff to

2058
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:36,500
pull up our notification map and if you'll show us where

2059
01:40:36,500 --> 01:40:37,600
your one or two

2060
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,670
properties are located specifically so we can take those

2061
01:40:40,670 --> 01:40:43,079
into account

2062
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:55,760
yes on this one right there yeah just one property this one

2063
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:56,840
property yeah both

2064
01:40:56,840 --> 01:41:00,850
those were they can you clarify were they two properties or

2065
01:41:00,850 --> 01:41:02,760
one I own the one

2066
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:07,430
property and somebody else owns a property next door to me

2067
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:12,239
yes okay thank

2068
01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:15,069
you for speaking and will you fill out a card for us please

2069
01:41:15,069 --> 01:41:16,000
I think they have

2070
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:18,180
some on the table outside and then may have one over here

2071
01:41:18,180 --> 01:41:18,920
at the end of the

2072
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:23,239
dice for us okay thank you thank you sir

2073
01:41:30,039 --> 01:41:31,569
against a public hearing so is there anyone else that would

2074
01:41:31,569 --> 01:41:33,840
like to speak on

2075
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:41,850
this item at this time seeing none I will close the public

2076
01:41:41,850 --> 01:41:43,119
hearing

2077
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:52,279
Commissioner Taylor thank you chair so I think it's a I've

2078
01:41:52,279 --> 01:41:53,800
heard a little bit

2079
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:56,220
about what the United Way of Denton County is planning on

2080
01:41:56,220 --> 01:41:57,079
doing at this site

2081
01:41:57,079 --> 01:42:00,390
and I think it's a really good location and I want to just

2082
01:42:00,390 --> 01:42:01,680
thank you for all the

2083
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:05,260
service you provide to the county and I also appreciate

2084
01:42:05,260 --> 01:42:06,359
that it's a partnership

2085
01:42:06,359 --> 01:42:11,899
with the Denton affordable housing coalition I do have some

2086
01:42:11,899 --> 01:42:14,279
some concerns

2087
01:42:14,279 --> 01:42:17,760
and questions regarding the potential intensity of this use

2088
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:19,279
this is

2089
01:42:19,279 --> 01:42:22,960
employment center industrial it's a light industrial office

2090
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:23,560
and light

2091
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:28,670
industrial type use and it is what is along Woodrow but

2092
01:42:28,670 --> 01:42:30,119
this makes a very

2093
01:42:30,119 --> 01:42:33,430
stark transition across the back fence even with the veget

2094
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:34,479
ative barrier even

2095
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:37,420
with the row of trees and shrubs you're going to have you

2096
01:42:37,420 --> 01:42:39,119
know a backyard of

2097
01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:42,680
swimming pool playset that kind of thing and then across

2098
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:44,279
the way and allowed use

2099
01:42:44,279 --> 01:42:48,390
will be heavy vehicle servicing light manufacturing even

2100
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:49,880
though those aren't

2101
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:54,539
your proposed uses this rezone would allow those uses and

2102
01:42:54,539 --> 01:42:55,520
if anything were to

2103
01:42:55,520 --> 01:43:00,880
happen in the future you know the if with you know whether

2104
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:01,680
it's 10 years or

2105
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:05,539
50 years from now do we'd have this collision of potential

2106
01:43:05,539 --> 01:43:06,239
collision of uses

2107
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:11,300
and so I would like to find a way to allow the office space

2108
01:43:11,300 --> 01:43:12,720
and community

2109
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:17,649
services that you're proposing without putting potentially

2110
01:43:17,649 --> 01:43:18,560
light industrial

2111
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:23,159
across the back fence from a neighborhood and and I'm

2112
01:43:23,159 --> 01:43:24,159
looking through

2113
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:28,569
the allowed uses and I see even in it so in order to

2114
01:43:28,569 --> 01:43:30,640
prevent what might be

2115
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:34,779
referred to as spot zoning we don't want to introduce a new

2116
01:43:34,779 --> 01:43:36,239
zoning category in

2117
01:43:36,239 --> 01:43:39,890
the area so we have neighborhood residential and then kind

2118
01:43:39,890 --> 01:43:40,159
of this

2119
01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:43,920
employment center but those those both are families of

2120
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:46,319
zoning and just looking

2121
01:43:46,319 --> 01:43:51,210
at the just looking at the allowed uses it appears that

2122
01:43:51,210 --> 01:43:52,680
office space and

2123
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:56,350
community service are both allowed in like an NRM you which

2124
01:43:56,350 --> 01:43:56,960
is a neighborhood

2125
01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:01,729
residential mixed use while very few of the potentially nox

2126
01:44:01,729 --> 01:44:02,720
ious industrial

2127
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:06,800
printing manufacturing so forth uses are allowed in like an

2128
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:10,359
NRM you category so

2129
01:44:10,359 --> 01:44:13,859
either if and I think this will take a little research but

2130
01:44:13,859 --> 01:44:14,960
I would propose that

2131
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:21,859
we look at either NRM you or perhaps if that doesn't work

2132
01:44:21,859 --> 01:44:24,359
ecc or another kind of

2133
01:44:24,359 --> 01:44:28,039
intermediate use that isn't as industrial as the uses along

2134
01:44:28,039 --> 01:44:29,840
Woodrow and

2135
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:35,720
I I believe this would require us to table this and do that

2136
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:37,159
research and

2137
01:44:37,159 --> 01:44:40,180
hopefully within maybe two or four weeks come back I don't

2138
01:44:40,180 --> 01:44:40,920
know what the

2139
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:45,850
timeframe the fastest timeframe that could this could be

2140
01:44:45,850 --> 01:44:48,880
done I have to give

2141
01:44:48,880 --> 01:45:00,960
an opinion on that if the applicant is comfortable with the

2142
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:01,640
discussion that the

2143
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:03,319
planning and zoning commissioner commissioner teller that

2144
01:45:03,319 --> 01:45:03,880
you're having

2145
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:06,359
with them then they would have to come back with a revised

2146
01:45:06,359 --> 01:45:07,359
application or a new

2147
01:45:07,359 --> 01:45:12,220
application requesting an alternative zoning district to

2148
01:45:12,220 --> 01:45:14,479
accommodate their

2149
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:19,880
use or uses but that in this case that could be as simple

2150
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:21,039
as you know

2151
01:45:21,039 --> 01:45:24,899
verifying that NRM you is appropriate or ecc or one of

2152
01:45:24,899 --> 01:45:26,359
those other uses is

2153
01:45:26,359 --> 01:45:30,000
appropriate correct that's correct we would we did evaluate

2154
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:31,239
the just to

2155
01:45:31,239 --> 01:45:35,960
iterate we did evaluate the ecc component however the

2156
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:37,000
recommendation

2157
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:40,239
that staff has that is favorable to recommend favorably for

2158
01:45:40,239 --> 01:45:40,760
changing zoning

2159
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:44,710
to ECI was primarily because of the existing land existing

2160
01:45:44,710 --> 01:45:45,479
zoning pattern

2161
01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:48,100
that is to the north to the east and to the south of the

2162
01:45:48,100 --> 01:45:49,199
property so it was a

2163
01:45:49,199 --> 01:45:52,079
comprehensive zoning designation that we intended to do we

2164
01:45:52,079 --> 01:45:53,119
also looked at the

2165
01:45:53,119 --> 01:45:55,850
parameters set before us in the Denton Development Code as

2166
01:45:55,850 --> 01:45:56,520
it relates to

2167
01:45:56,520 --> 01:46:00,270
setbacks landscape buffer requirements and existing top

2168
01:46:00,270 --> 01:46:01,520
ography on the site and

2169
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:04,729
that is why we thought we thought that this would indeed be

2170
01:46:04,729 --> 01:46:05,800
a favorable zoning

2171
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:11,329
case a favorable zoning category excuse me because through

2172
01:46:11,329 --> 01:46:12,439
revitalization or

2173
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:15,750
redevelopment because such a large area is already zoned EC

2174
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:16,800
I that this would be

2175
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:21,039
a logical one extension of the existing ECI and secondly it

2176
01:46:21,039 --> 01:46:22,159
would be more

2177
01:46:22,159 --> 01:46:25,909
comprehensively developed should redevelopment occur that

2178
01:46:25,909 --> 01:46:27,119
was the intent

2179
01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:30,270
of that was the staff analysis associated with this however

2180
01:46:30,270 --> 01:46:30,920
we would be

2181
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:36,449
more than happy to review other zoning categories to see

2182
01:46:36,449 --> 01:46:38,479
the or to analyze the

2183
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:44,439
appropriateness of other districts and associated land uses

2184
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:46,239
excuse me I didn't

2185
01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:49,989
have my microphone on if the question is looking to do that

2186
01:46:49,989 --> 01:46:52,000
as a whole then the

2187
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,350
next available time for it to come forward to you would be

2188
01:46:54,350 --> 01:46:55,039
April 13th

2189
01:46:55,039 --> 01:46:58,359
because we have some gaps in our schedule and we have to

2190
01:46:58,359 --> 01:46:59,239
have time for

2191
01:46:59,239 --> 01:47:04,579
the publishing of a new notice to incorporate the new

2192
01:47:04,579 --> 01:47:06,359
zoning category

2193
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:13,050
Commissioner brutal thank you chair a couple of things

2194
01:47:13,050 --> 01:47:15,359
piggybacking off of

2195
01:47:15,359 --> 01:47:18,789
Commissioner Taylor's is it possible for us to rezone this

2196
01:47:18,789 --> 01:47:19,960
as ECI but also have a

2197
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:26,510
condition or an overlay such that whatever is built on this

2198
01:47:26,510 --> 01:47:27,880
property is

2199
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:32,800
more of an office park and less industrial or have an

2200
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:34,319
overlay so that

2201
01:47:34,319 --> 01:47:39,060
if ownership should change hands at a later date from

2202
01:47:39,060 --> 01:47:41,079
United Way to someone

2203
01:47:41,079 --> 01:47:43,159
else you all move locations because you're doing so many

2204
01:47:43,159 --> 01:47:43,840
great things you

2205
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:47,659
have to expand even more right that there's some sort of

2206
01:47:47,659 --> 01:47:48,760
overlay that then

2207
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:51,770
this zoning would maybe revert back or something is there

2208
01:47:51,770 --> 01:47:53,159
is another was how how

2209
01:47:53,159 --> 01:47:56,470
can we meet the needs of the United Way and also protect

2210
01:47:56,470 --> 01:47:57,840
the neighborhood from

2211
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:01,800
any few decades down the road any sort of conflict between

2212
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:03,640
what is an NR for an

2213
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:08,609
ECI so I'll call on staff to get an opinion on that yeah

2214
01:48:08,609 --> 01:48:10,079
you may be able to

2215
01:48:10,079 --> 01:48:13,390
use a residential protection overlay which is consistent

2216
01:48:13,390 --> 01:48:14,199
with what you're

2217
01:48:14,199 --> 01:48:16,699
looking to do which is protected decent property uses that

2218
01:48:16,699 --> 01:48:18,199
are residential when

2219
01:48:18,199 --> 01:48:22,060
you have a commercial property or parcel come in you would

2220
01:48:22,060 --> 01:48:23,000
have to notice that

2221
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:25,449
individually you can do it in conjunction with the change

2222
01:48:25,449 --> 01:48:25,760
in the

2223
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,779
underlying zoning but it would still have to be tabled for

2224
01:48:28,779 --> 01:48:29,680
a future time so

2225
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:33,300
that we can notice it properly would we be able to get that

2226
01:48:33,300 --> 01:48:34,479
to come back to us

2227
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:38,090
so quickly I mean with the staff hours can we can we turn

2228
01:48:38,090 --> 01:48:39,239
it over that quickly

2229
01:48:39,239 --> 01:48:44,319
and see it again in just another month I don't want to

2230
01:48:44,319 --> 01:48:45,920
delay this forever no we

2231
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:48,479
absolutely understand this sensitivity sensitivity

2232
01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:49,760
associated with the project

2233
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:52,039
that United Way is pushing through they have their own

2234
01:48:52,039 --> 01:48:53,239
milestones that they have

2235
01:48:53,239 --> 01:48:55,220
to meet as well in terms of their timelines on their

2236
01:48:55,220 --> 01:48:56,000
project plan so we

2237
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:59,550
complete we're very cognizant of that however we do have

2238
01:48:59,550 --> 01:49:00,319
statutory

2239
01:49:00,319 --> 01:49:02,770
requirements as it relates to notification processes and

2240
01:49:02,770 --> 01:49:03,520
procedures so

2241
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:07,140
we have to meet certain timelines at this point we also

2242
01:49:07,140 --> 01:49:08,520
have to address are

2243
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,939
we looking at a different zoning category so we would have

2244
01:49:10,939 --> 01:49:11,600
to understand

2245
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:14,159
what the wish of the Commission is based on that we would

2246
01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:15,520
then reanalyze

2247
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:22,380
other zoning districts to assess the applicability or cohes

2248
01:49:22,380 --> 01:49:23,359
iveness

2249
01:49:23,359 --> 01:49:26,670
associated so it's it is a difficult one when you talk

2250
01:49:26,670 --> 01:49:28,279
about changing the zoning

2251
01:49:28,279 --> 01:49:30,560
so then I guess I would be more and pardon me for

2252
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:31,960
interrupting but I guess I

2253
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:36,050
would be more in favor of whatever could get us to that end

2254
01:49:36,050 --> 01:49:37,119
goal more quickly

2255
01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:40,430
what if it's if it's considering a different zoning

2256
01:49:40,430 --> 01:49:41,840
classification that can

2257
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:45,199
get us back in mid-April then let's do that if it's a

2258
01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:46,640
simple re-noticing within

2259
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:49,189
the possibility of an overlay a residential overlay as you

2260
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:50,199
stated then I

2261
01:49:50,199 --> 01:49:52,649
would be more in favor of that because I want this to

2262
01:49:52,649 --> 01:49:53,920
happen but I also want to

2263
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:58,130
protect the neighborhood so and then I have another

2264
01:49:58,130 --> 01:49:59,399
question after you guys

2265
01:49:59,399 --> 01:50:02,920
kind of hash that out so we will we will revisit the dates

2266
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:03,800
as it relates to

2267
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:07,039
notification and we will also have to have a very quick

2268
01:50:07,039 --> 01:50:08,000
meeting with United

2269
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:11,319
Way to get their feedback as well because I'm sure they

2270
01:50:11,319 --> 01:50:13,199
have specific or

2271
01:50:13,199 --> 01:50:16,119
intended future uses of the property expansion programs but

2272
01:50:16,119 --> 01:50:16,680
it would be

2273
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:20,720
specific to their auditorium and their office uses and

2274
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:22,680
their needs regardless

2275
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:25,460
whether we look at a separate category of an overlay or an

2276
01:50:25,460 --> 01:50:26,399
overlay district we

2277
01:50:26,399 --> 01:50:28,659
would still have to meet those notification requirements so

2278
01:50:28,659 --> 01:50:28,920
we are

2279
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:34,710
minimum talking I would say a 30-day setback at the least

2280
01:50:34,710 --> 01:50:36,039
at this point

2281
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:41,000
another question then I guess for the applicant there there

2282
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:43,039
were no official

2283
01:50:43,039 --> 01:50:45,869
notifications that came back to us either for or against

2284
01:50:45,869 --> 01:50:46,920
this this proposed

2285
01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:49,199
rezone but I understand that you all had a community

2286
01:50:49,199 --> 01:50:50,439
meeting and I was wondering

2287
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:52,920
if someone could maybe kind of give me a synopsis on that I

2288
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:54,039
know we had some

2289
01:50:54,039 --> 01:50:55,939
backup materials about that as well but if you could just

2290
01:50:55,939 --> 01:50:56,439
kind of walk me

2291
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:59,060
through like well how you know how did that go what do the

2292
01:50:59,060 --> 01:50:59,880
people think where

2293
01:50:59,880 --> 01:51:03,189
you know what's the neighborhood think of this yes I think

2294
01:51:03,189 --> 01:51:04,439
in your your packet

2295
01:51:04,439 --> 01:51:07,640
there were I think a couple of signed up sheets and one

2296
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:08,840
notification we held two

2297
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:11,800
public meetings in the month of January one we held at the

2298
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:12,920
Martin Luther King

2299
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:17,270
Recreation Center and the invite list was basically we used

2300
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:18,920
the the the buffer

2301
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:22,449
the buffer description where you had the the the 200 and

2302
01:51:22,449 --> 01:51:24,319
500 foot buffer zone and

2303
01:51:24,319 --> 01:51:27,529
we use that kind of it as an invitational list to be sure

2304
01:51:27,529 --> 01:51:28,159
we we tried

2305
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:30,609
to invite as many people in that particular area that could

2306
01:51:30,609 --> 01:51:31,159
be affected

2307
01:51:31,159 --> 01:51:34,140
one way or the other by by what we were proposing to do and

2308
01:51:34,140 --> 01:51:35,000
we just at both

2309
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:37,760
meetings we just outlined what we were going to do and what

2310
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:38,760
we're planning to

2311
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:42,079
do and what we were how we were working with the Denton

2312
01:51:42,079 --> 01:51:43,520
Housing Authority to

2313
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:47,520
make that work and then we also went to the Sedna

2314
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:49,039
neighborhood meeting for the

2315
01:51:49,039 --> 01:51:53,199
month of January and made the same presentation and just

2316
01:51:53,199 --> 01:51:53,800
addressed any

2317
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:57,319
questions questions from that group that night and I was at

2318
01:51:57,319 --> 01:51:58,880
both meetings and

2319
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:03,319
they went well I think they were we had plenty of good

2320
01:52:03,319 --> 01:52:06,000
questions that were that

2321
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:08,350
were I think addressed and addressed everyone's

2322
01:52:08,350 --> 01:52:09,840
satisfaction the best we

2323
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:13,149
possibly could knowing what we knew at that that particular

2324
01:52:13,149 --> 01:52:14,560
time subject to

2325
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:16,880
going through the process of zoning and things like that

2326
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:17,640
and you feel it was a

2327
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:19,609
pretty good turnout I mean the weather was decent and it

2328
01:52:19,609 --> 01:52:20,279
was you know whether

2329
01:52:20,279 --> 01:52:24,680
was extremely good and and I would say yeah in the

2330
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:25,600
neighborhood meetings that

2331
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:28,090
I've been in I've attended I think that it was a good it

2332
01:52:28,090 --> 01:52:29,079
was they were well

2333
01:52:29,079 --> 01:52:31,840
attended okay we always wish there were more people

2334
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:33,279
attending always as you all

2335
01:52:33,279 --> 01:52:38,909
do too but but we get what we we have coming out to to make

2336
01:52:38,909 --> 01:52:40,560
those and since

2337
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:42,619
those community meetings have you had anyone you know

2338
01:52:42,619 --> 01:52:43,199
neighbors talk to

2339
01:52:43,199 --> 01:52:45,100
neighbors and oh did you know United Waste doing this has

2340
01:52:45,100 --> 01:52:45,880
anyone contacted you

2341
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:49,399
with further questions or concerns about this to my

2342
01:52:49,399 --> 01:52:51,520
knowledge we haven't okay

2343
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:55,899
because I'm pretty sure that the CEO would have you know

2344
01:52:55,899 --> 01:52:57,840
contacted us and try

2345
01:52:57,840 --> 01:53:01,760
to address them thank you

2346
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:05,840
yeah I have excuse me mr. chair may I have one I have one

2347
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:07,119
question about the

2348
01:53:07,119 --> 01:53:10,770
proposed change in a zoning district the the proposed

2349
01:53:10,770 --> 01:53:12,479
zoning district the ECI

2350
01:53:12,479 --> 01:53:16,229
proposed zoning district is consistent with the land use

2351
01:53:16,229 --> 01:53:18,479
plan if we go to a

2352
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:22,159
different zoning district that is not consistent with the

2353
01:53:22,159 --> 01:53:23,319
land use plan what

2354
01:53:23,319 --> 01:53:27,199
happens to us we're not planning to do this but what

2355
01:53:27,199 --> 01:53:28,640
happens to us if we would

2356
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:33,060
if that property would sell or or the uses would change and

2357
01:53:33,060 --> 01:53:34,479
we would know all

2358
01:53:34,479 --> 01:53:38,369
of a sudden be not consistent with your land use plan how

2359
01:53:38,369 --> 01:53:40,479
do we we would be we

2360
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:44,729
would have an issue then as the owner if you choose if if

2361
01:53:44,729 --> 01:53:46,119
indeed we did follow

2362
01:53:46,119 --> 01:53:48,609
the path of changing the zoning district to another

2363
01:53:48,609 --> 01:53:49,840
category other than the

2364
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:54,880
proposed ACI and if an alternative zoning district was

2365
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:55,520
approved on the

2366
01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:59,520
site then the land use is permitted permitted uses within

2367
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:00,600
that category

2368
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:03,300
would be applicable to that specific site or to this

2369
01:54:03,300 --> 01:54:04,920
subject property it

2370
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:10,100
would not create a nonconformity in terms of uses it would

2371
01:54:10,100 --> 01:54:12,880
create and I want

2372
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:15,579
to use this term loosely now the nonconformity as it

2373
01:54:15,579 --> 01:54:16,239
relates to

2374
01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:23,930
compliance with the comprehensive plan. Commissioner Hatchb

2375
01:54:23,930 --> 01:54:26,000
eth. Thank You Chair

2376
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:36,199
yeah so all great points I would like to see where we fall

2377
01:54:36,199 --> 01:54:38,079
where those I looked

2378
01:54:38,079 --> 01:54:43,489
at the the categories I think it's a fit again but I I'm

2379
01:54:43,489 --> 01:54:45,720
curious that the one that

2380
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:49,520
Devon proposed I think it's a good fit I have some other

2381
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:53,039
questions but I can

2382
01:54:53,039 --> 01:54:58,470
email email those directly to the applicant applicant to

2383
01:54:58,470 --> 01:54:59,439
try to get some

2384
01:54:59,439 --> 01:55:01,739
of those stuff because it's down the road some of those

2385
01:55:01,739 --> 01:55:03,399
things but also I

2386
01:55:03,399 --> 01:55:16,159
was curious about mr. is it Hanson is that right yes sure

2387
01:55:16,159 --> 01:55:16,760
is he okay

2388
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:18,930
Matt asked you another question if you could would you mind

2389
01:55:18,930 --> 01:55:19,760
please coming back

2390
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:22,880
to the podium please

2391
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:33,529
yes sir so understanding your overall position you are amen

2392
01:55:33,529 --> 01:55:38,159
able to better said

2393
01:55:38,159 --> 01:55:42,840
your concerns if those are those are satisfied you're okay

2394
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:44,560
with the property

2395
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:51,329
I mean the the proposing what's proposed oh overall it's

2396
01:55:51,329 --> 01:55:52,560
just there's you have a

2397
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:56,640
couple of concerns is that am I framing that right yes and

2398
01:55:56,640 --> 01:55:58,199
no I mean I think

2399
01:55:58,199 --> 01:56:02,250
everyone of you guys had a five acres behind your house and

2400
01:56:02,250 --> 01:56:03,680
all of a sudden that

2401
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:06,260
was on for residential and they're going to change it to

2402
01:56:06,260 --> 01:56:07,039
what they're going to

2403
01:56:07,039 --> 01:56:09,869
wind up changing into I don't think you guys would be too

2404
01:56:09,869 --> 01:56:11,640
happy either I don't

2405
01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:15,989
see why just this small part of property is sticking into

2406
01:56:15,989 --> 01:56:17,640
to commercial or

2407
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:21,560
industrial and I mean as you can tell it's it's encroaching

2408
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:22,880
is crouching right

2409
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:26,470
now currently in the side street next to there probably

2410
01:56:26,470 --> 01:56:28,159
half the houses are rental

2411
01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:31,050
properties and now once this goes up the people that are

2412
01:56:31,050 --> 01:56:32,159
trying to sell their

2413
01:56:32,159 --> 01:56:34,819
house and they've got this warehouse in the back they may

2414
01:56:34,819 --> 01:56:35,920
not get the money that

2415
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:38,489
they want to and they have to turn it in rental property

2416
01:56:38,489 --> 01:56:39,560
and that's what I may

2417
01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:43,319
have to wind up doing because I'm not quite sure if I'll be

2418
01:56:43,319 --> 01:56:44,319
able to sell my

2419
01:56:44,319 --> 01:56:49,430
house when there's got a big office complex behind me so I

2420
01:56:49,430 --> 01:56:51,039
like I say I know

2421
01:56:51,039 --> 01:56:54,800
United Way I know it's a good deal it's great that if you

2422
01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:55,359
can get a lot of

2423
01:56:55,359 --> 01:56:58,560
nonprofit organizations together it would streamline things

2424
01:56:58,560 --> 01:56:59,159
and make things

2425
01:56:59,159 --> 01:57:02,579
better it's just I don't like it that is it's into an

2426
01:57:02,579 --> 01:57:03,680
industrial thing it was

2427
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:08,250
facing Woodrow I would be entirely okay with it but with it

2428
01:57:08,250 --> 01:57:09,119
coming out onto

2429
01:57:09,119 --> 01:57:12,060
Moore Street right there from me with the school school and

2430
01:57:12,060 --> 01:57:12,920
the recreation

2431
01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:17,689
center and the traffic and all the unknown variables like I

2432
01:57:17,689 --> 01:57:19,479
say they're

2433
01:57:19,479 --> 01:57:22,159
changing it from residential to industrial what did they

2434
01:57:22,159 --> 01:57:22,880
change it from

2435
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:26,229
something else after that and and now me and my next-door

2436
01:57:26,229 --> 01:57:27,600
neighbor have a small

2437
01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:30,909
piece of property it goes industrial goes commercial nobody

2438
01:57:30,909 --> 01:57:31,560
wants to buy a

2439
01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:35,010
tiny little piece of commercial property and I'm stuck you

2440
01:57:35,010 --> 01:57:36,119
know I'm stuck with the

2441
01:57:36,119 --> 01:57:38,479
house that I can't sell and then I have to turn in rental

2442
01:57:38,479 --> 01:57:39,560
property and then all

2443
01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:42,170
the other houses turn in right rental property and then the

2444
01:57:42,170 --> 01:57:42,760
value of the

2445
01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:47,420
property goes down so okay all right thank you thank you

2446
01:57:47,420 --> 01:57:48,560
thank you

2447
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:55,520
Commissioner Rizzo thank you chair excuse me I'm for this

2448
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:56,439
project I would

2449
01:57:56,439 --> 01:57:59,760
like to see it happen and talking about the protection of

2450
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:00,920
the neighborhood to

2451
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:05,359
the West I think is important and valuable from what was

2452
01:58:05,359 --> 01:58:06,760
brought up so far

2453
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:11,109
that I have some questions and looking at the the uses for

2454
01:58:11,109 --> 01:58:12,399
an MR in our MU an

2455
01:58:12,399 --> 01:58:15,149
office building under 25,000 square feet seems to be

2456
01:58:15,149 --> 01:58:17,239
aligned with that but as

2457
01:58:17,239 --> 01:58:19,449
Commissioner Taylor pointed out I think we get into spot

2458
01:58:19,449 --> 01:58:20,680
zoning to that point in

2459
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:25,819
it and in what a mustard colored and blue map here we're

2460
01:58:25,819 --> 01:58:26,680
gonna put in red

2461
01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:31,510
right in the middle so I'm not necessarily in favor of that

2462
01:58:31,510 --> 01:58:32,159
but legal

2463
01:58:32,159 --> 01:58:34,750
said something about a resident protection overlay for

2464
01:58:34,750 --> 01:58:36,199
commercial use is

2465
01:58:36,199 --> 01:58:38,529
that for when you say commercial or you just for

2466
01:58:38,529 --> 01:58:40,000
clarification are you referring

2467
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:43,600
to the use or the zoning for a resident protection overlay

2468
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:45,079
well that that would

2469
01:58:45,079 --> 01:58:48,399
be the the provision that we would have to research further

2470
01:58:48,399 --> 01:58:49,279
to make sure that

2471
01:58:49,279 --> 01:58:52,659
this could apply to this property so we don't know if a

2472
01:58:52,659 --> 01:58:54,159
resident protection

2473
01:58:54,159 --> 01:58:58,239
overlay would even work if we approved an ECI zoning

2474
01:58:58,239 --> 01:59:00,479
correct well what we would

2475
01:59:00,479 --> 01:59:04,130
do would we would table this or continue it until a date

2476
01:59:04,130 --> 01:59:05,159
certain which would be

2477
01:59:05,159 --> 01:59:09,350
April the 13th and at the same time on that same agenda we

2478
01:59:09,350 --> 01:59:10,279
would have the

2479
01:59:10,279 --> 01:59:16,000
overlay considered as well without we can actually put that

2480
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:17,600
that could be an

2481
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:21,199
option the overlay well that's what we need to research

2482
01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:23,119
further generally the

2483
01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:25,729
residential protection overlay is for the purpose of

2484
01:59:25,729 --> 01:59:27,140
protecting those adjacent

2485
01:59:27,140 --> 01:59:31,130
properties that are residential and I just am not sure if

2486
01:59:31,130 --> 01:59:32,479
it applies at this

2487
01:59:32,479 --> 01:59:35,789
time to ECI as the underlying zoning so we do need to do

2488
01:59:35,789 --> 01:59:36,800
further research on

2489
01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:41,579
that so that brings me to a thought that we could table

2490
01:59:41,579 --> 01:59:42,600
this for a month and

2491
01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:45,489
what I would be a proponent of potentially might not even

2492
01:59:45,489 --> 01:59:46,159
be an option

2493
01:59:46,159 --> 01:59:49,470
and now we're back to an NRMU which doesn't seem to be al

2494
01:59:49,470 --> 01:59:50,319
igning with the

2495
01:59:50,319 --> 01:59:54,989
land use or an ECI again or maybe an ECC but again an ECC

2496
01:59:54,989 --> 01:59:56,439
would I don't know if

2497
01:59:56,439 --> 01:59:59,960
it aligns with with our our future land use if we overlay

2498
01:59:59,960 --> 02:00:01,199
that it clearly is

2499
02:00:01,199 --> 02:00:07,640
employment center so I'm not I'm not sure about tabling

2500
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:08,239
this for another

2501
02:00:08,239 --> 02:00:12,609
month if it's going to bring us back to this same the same

2502
02:00:12,609 --> 02:00:14,479
position that that's

2503
02:00:14,479 --> 02:00:16,979
more questions than answers I understand but that's some of

2504
02:00:16,979 --> 02:00:17,920
my thoughts that I

2505
02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:23,550
have right now Commissioner Taylor thank you chair I just

2506
02:00:23,550 --> 02:00:24,359
wanted to address some

2507
02:00:24,359 --> 02:00:30,260
of Commissioner Roselle's comments so since there's already

2508
02:00:30,260 --> 02:00:30,960
a large area of

2509
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:34,800
existing EC category zoning and a large area of NR

2510
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:36,359
neighborhood residential

2511
02:00:36,359 --> 02:00:40,850
category zoning those are the two families that we could we

2512
02:00:40,850 --> 02:00:41,920
could use if

2513
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:48,000
we went to like a CMG or regional type zoning then you'd

2514
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:49,100
have you'd be

2515
02:00:49,100 --> 02:00:52,579
introducing a whole new family of zoning but NRMU is is

2516
02:00:52,579 --> 02:00:54,039
considered compatible

2517
02:00:54,039 --> 02:00:57,250
part of the neighborhood residential zoning so to go to

2518
02:00:57,250 --> 02:00:58,920
have this NRMU it

2519
02:00:58,920 --> 02:01:02,500
wouldn't be like introducing a new zoning category it would

2520
02:01:02,500 --> 02:01:03,359
be a slightly

2521
02:01:03,359 --> 02:01:07,960
more intense subcategory of NR and a more perhaps I feel a

2522
02:01:07,960 --> 02:01:08,680
more appropriate

2523
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:13,270
buffer between single-family homes and the more industrial

2524
02:01:13,270 --> 02:01:17,479
use and so I the

2525
02:01:17,479 --> 02:01:19,880
more I'm the more I'm looking at I just actually thought of

2526
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:21,199
this while well the

2527
02:01:21,199 --> 02:01:23,699
public hearing was going on and the more I look at it I do

2528
02:01:23,699 --> 02:01:26,680
feel like NRMU would

2529
02:01:26,680 --> 02:01:29,579
be the most appropriate category because it would allow the

2530
02:01:29,579 --> 02:01:30,439
office use up to

2531
02:01:30,439 --> 02:01:33,199
25,000 square feet which is approximately twice as large as

2532
02:01:33,199 --> 02:01:33,439
the

2533
02:01:33,439 --> 02:01:37,369
current plan and community service you know and any ancill

2534
02:01:37,369 --> 02:01:38,720
ary use to those two

2535
02:01:38,720 --> 02:01:45,640
primary uses and in regarding the future land use map we

2536
02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:46,800
intentionally have those

2537
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:50,659
gradient areas at borders because we know the borders are a

2538
02:01:50,659 --> 02:01:51,880
little fuzzy and

2539
02:01:51,880 --> 02:01:55,840
we need transitions especially when you go industrial or

2540
02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:57,039
you know kind of an

2541
02:01:57,039 --> 02:01:59,329
industrial use to residential use you want a little buffer

2542
02:01:59,329 --> 02:02:00,279
in there somewhere

2543
02:02:00,279 --> 02:02:04,869
so we might want to revisit the future land use map you

2544
02:02:04,869 --> 02:02:06,680
know in the future to

2545
02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:11,390
to move this over a hundred yards but I think it isn't like

2546
02:02:11,390 --> 02:02:13,000
we're going into the

2547
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:16,310
middle of a future land use zone and sticking something

2548
02:02:16,310 --> 02:02:17,239
completely different

2549
02:02:17,239 --> 02:02:25,600
in it. I'm gonna make some comments as well I understand

2550
02:02:25,600 --> 02:02:26,479
there's a lot of

2551
02:02:26,479 --> 02:02:30,020
different opinions on this property and I think some of the

2552
02:02:30,020 --> 02:02:31,319
questions that came

2553
02:02:31,319 --> 02:02:34,560
up when a work session about accessibility off of Moore

2554
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:35,119
Street if it

2555
02:02:35,119 --> 02:02:38,720
will work for fire and and utilities have been addressed in

2556
02:02:38,720 --> 02:02:39,720
a very informal

2557
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:43,060
manner but knowing the individuals involved I feel very

2558
02:02:43,060 --> 02:02:43,779
confident that those

2559
02:02:43,779 --> 02:02:47,640
criteria can be met with this. I also feel like since there

2560
02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:49,000
is already existing

2561
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:52,310
ECI and it already backs up to this neighborhood to the

2562
02:02:52,310 --> 02:02:53,279
south and to the

2563
02:02:53,279 --> 02:02:58,239
east that this is a very appropriate zoning I don't see

2564
02:02:58,239 --> 02:02:59,520
some of their

2565
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:04,109
concerns the criteria with a an 11,000 square foot building

2566
02:03:04,109 --> 02:03:05,960
on a five acre site

2567
02:03:05,960 --> 02:03:11,279
that's going to be roughly 215,000 square feet where we're

2568
02:03:11,279 --> 02:03:11,640
down at

2569
02:03:11,640 --> 02:03:17,680
essentially 5% or certainly less than 10% of a building

2570
02:03:17,680 --> 02:03:18,800
going on that large of a

2571
02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:21,449
piece of property and I do know that we'll also have at

2572
02:03:21,449 --> 02:03:22,359
least I believe a

2573
02:03:22,359 --> 02:03:27,289
requirement of a 30-foot buffer against that neighborhood

2574
02:03:27,289 --> 02:03:29,039
and so while I do

2575
02:03:29,039 --> 02:03:33,079
appreciate all the other commissioners concerns I feel this

2576
02:03:33,079 --> 02:03:34,319
is an appropriate

2577
02:03:34,319 --> 02:03:36,970
zoning and I know that there's probably some time

2578
02:03:36,970 --> 02:03:39,199
constraints that this

2579
02:03:39,199 --> 02:03:43,420
organization is working under and I personally would like

2580
02:03:43,420 --> 02:03:45,520
to see this this

2581
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:52,180
case move forward so those are gonna be my comments and I'm

2582
02:03:52,180 --> 02:03:56,000
gonna call on staff.

2583
02:03:56,000 --> 02:04:00,180
One avenue that perhaps might be available in order to

2584
02:04:00,180 --> 02:04:01,880
ensure consistency

2585
02:04:01,880 --> 02:04:04,949
with the comprehensive plan to show cohesiveness with the

2586
02:04:04,949 --> 02:04:05,720
zoning districts

2587
02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:09,970
is in fact to introduce an ADP which shows advanced

2588
02:04:09,970 --> 02:04:12,199
screening mechanisms or

2589
02:04:12,199 --> 02:04:18,149
advanced landscaping to protect physically protect the

2590
02:04:18,149 --> 02:04:19,199
adjacent

2591
02:04:19,199 --> 02:04:23,060
neighborhood so when I say that I speak to and I'm not

2592
02:04:23,060 --> 02:04:24,199
tying any the applicant

2593
02:04:24,199 --> 02:04:27,140
town to this but I'm speaking of potentially a masonry

2594
02:04:27,140 --> 02:04:28,159
screen wall with

2595
02:04:28,159 --> 02:04:32,840
specific tree plantings offset a few feet on center having

2596
02:04:32,840 --> 02:04:33,840
that distance or

2597
02:04:33,840 --> 02:04:37,149
that separation of the buildings enhancing the landscaping

2598
02:04:37,149 --> 02:04:37,680
where the

2599
02:04:37,680 --> 02:04:40,989
visibility corridor is a little stark these are just

2600
02:04:40,989 --> 02:04:42,640
examples of using site

2601
02:04:42,640 --> 02:04:47,090
design and tying that site design to an alternative

2602
02:04:47,090 --> 02:04:49,359
development plan as it comes

2603
02:04:49,359 --> 02:04:55,069
forward because staffs only concern we don't we don't whole

2604
02:04:55,069 --> 02:04:56,319
heartedly disagree

2605
02:04:56,319 --> 02:04:59,560
with with the Commission and we completely understand the

2606
02:04:59,560 --> 02:05:00,000
concerns of

2607
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,199
the Commission as well as the surrounding property owners

2608
02:05:03,199 --> 02:05:03,840
but if we can

2609
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:07,390
use an avenue that enables the longevity and expansion

2610
02:05:07,390 --> 02:05:08,800
program for United Way

2611
02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:11,420
because that is a huge possibility that's in front of us

2612
02:05:11,420 --> 02:05:12,600
right now what we

2613
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:15,810
have is a built-out plan but there is an opportunity or

2614
02:05:15,810 --> 02:05:16,720
potential for that to

2615
02:05:16,720 --> 02:05:20,590
increase however if we can use the site design mechanism

2616
02:05:20,590 --> 02:05:21,800
which is an enhanced

2617
02:05:21,800 --> 02:05:25,720
mechanism to introduce these protective measures would the

2618
02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:26,640
Commission be

2619
02:05:26,640 --> 02:05:30,020
amenable to that this is just a thought or a suggestion

2620
02:05:30,020 --> 02:05:32,119
from staff at what point

2621
02:05:32,119 --> 02:05:37,140
would we add that to our recommendation I'm gonna lean

2622
02:05:37,140 --> 02:05:38,520
towards Jennifer de

2623
02:05:38,520 --> 02:05:40,579
Curtis on this but I think we could come back for an

2624
02:05:40,579 --> 02:05:41,840
individual consideration

2625
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:45,039
item fairly expeditiously once we sit down with the

2626
02:05:45,039 --> 02:05:46,680
applicant and bring that

2627
02:05:46,680 --> 02:05:53,880
forward so the Commissioner Roselle thank you and I'm not

2628
02:05:53,880 --> 02:05:54,439
trying to jump in

2629
02:05:54,439 --> 02:05:56,630
front of Commissioner Burgl I apologize but is the ADP done

2630
02:05:56,630 --> 02:05:57,680
at the zoning or the

2631
02:05:57,680 --> 02:06:01,039
site plan can you clarify when we can yes the ADP is a site

2632
02:06:01,039 --> 02:06:02,000
planning function

2633
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:05,239
the intent of an ADP is to have enhanced site design

2634
02:06:05,239 --> 02:06:07,000
criteria it is not a variance

2635
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:11,050
procedure but in a it enables an applicant or a developer

2636
02:06:11,050 --> 02:06:12,199
to use specific

2637
02:06:12,199 --> 02:06:15,670
design criteria if they can't comply completely with the

2638
02:06:15,670 --> 02:06:16,520
Denton Development

2639
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:20,270
Code in this instance we would use it to enhance this site

2640
02:06:20,270 --> 02:06:21,399
as in as a screening

2641
02:06:21,399 --> 02:06:25,079
anesthetic mechanism to protect the adjacent neighborhoods

2642
02:06:25,079 --> 02:06:26,640
should everybody

2643
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:30,720
be amenable to it Commissioner Burgl and as that's fine

2644
02:06:30,720 --> 02:06:31,319
question there was all

2645
02:06:31,319 --> 02:06:35,279
not a big deal so but I hear that and my concern is not

2646
02:06:35,279 --> 02:06:37,439
with United Way backing

2647
02:06:37,439 --> 02:06:40,319
up to the neighborhood it's 50 years down the road when

2648
02:06:40,319 --> 02:06:41,319
they expand and sell

2649
02:06:41,319 --> 02:06:44,630
this property could then that who I mean we have if we had

2650
02:06:44,630 --> 02:06:46,520
the ADP in place then

2651
02:06:46,520 --> 02:06:50,149
couldn't the next property owner just kind of bulldoze over

2652
02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:51,439
the the you know the

2653
02:06:51,439 --> 02:06:54,319
the buffer zone and all the trees that we had because they

2654
02:06:54,319 --> 02:06:55,199
wanted to build

2655
02:06:55,199 --> 02:06:59,149
their the ADP to the applicant and I don't want to put any

2656
02:06:59,149 --> 02:06:59,960
more burdens on

2657
02:06:59,960 --> 02:07:02,859
the applicant you know it's this it's the next it's the

2658
02:07:02,859 --> 02:07:03,880
next property owner

2659
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:06,560
that I want to make sure is still compatible with the

2660
02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:07,680
neighborhood I think

2661
02:07:07,680 --> 02:07:12,369
what might be an option if I could is the NRMU designation

2662
02:07:12,369 --> 02:07:13,239
which you talked

2663
02:07:13,239 --> 02:07:15,930
about the transition from residential to commercial that's

2664
02:07:15,930 --> 02:07:16,960
what it's for and then

2665
02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:20,979
having the ADP act almost as an overlay to restrict it

2666
02:07:20,979 --> 02:07:22,560
further with conditions

2667
02:07:22,560 --> 02:07:28,319
for the applicant is it are we allowed to if we can't do

2668
02:07:28,319 --> 02:07:29,119
the over the

2669
02:07:29,119 --> 02:07:33,159
traditional overlay once I researched that topic okay so

2670
02:07:33,159 --> 02:07:37,560
can we is NRMU

2671
02:07:37,560 --> 02:07:43,359
considered a less restrictive zoning category than ECI and

2672
02:07:43,359 --> 02:07:44,600
can we can we

2673
02:07:44,600 --> 02:07:48,090
recommend NRMU tonight because it's less restrictive and

2674
02:07:48,090 --> 02:07:49,279
just move forward with

2675
02:07:49,279 --> 02:07:51,479
that

2676
02:07:55,039 --> 02:07:59,369
do you want to answer that question because traditionally I

2677
02:07:59,369 --> 02:08:01,520
do not I am not

2678
02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:06,789
a proponent of doing that without certain things falling

2679
02:08:06,789 --> 02:08:08,640
into place because

2680
02:08:08,640 --> 02:08:12,739
I don't want to get into the practice of just down zoning I

2681
02:08:12,739 --> 02:08:13,840
guess at the

2682
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:17,149
Commission without proper notice so generally I would make

2683
02:08:17,149 --> 02:08:17,840
them come back

2684
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:21,590
and put it on the agenda probably legally could we do that

2685
02:08:21,590 --> 02:08:22,680
that's my

2686
02:08:22,680 --> 02:08:26,079
question I am I understand and I and I feel I think

2687
02:08:26,079 --> 02:08:27,640
traditionally you've done

2688
02:08:27,640 --> 02:08:32,100
that okay so I certainly don't want to disenfranchise

2689
02:08:32,100 --> 02:08:33,119
anyone I think it is a

2690
02:08:33,119 --> 02:08:37,359
gray area legally and that you have traditionally done that

2691
02:08:37,359 --> 02:08:38,399
I don't know if

2692
02:08:38,399 --> 02:08:41,640
it's appropriate in this case but I will leave that to your

2693
02:08:41,640 --> 02:08:43,239
determination okay and

2694
02:08:43,239 --> 02:08:46,920
before I ask the applicant if they would maybe be okay with

2695
02:08:46,920 --> 02:08:50,600
that what this is

2696
02:08:50,600 --> 02:08:56,229
eventually gonna have to go to City Council what fail-safes

2697
02:08:56,229 --> 02:08:57,560
could be put in

2698
02:08:57,560 --> 02:09:01,159
place between now and when they go to City Council that

2699
02:09:01,159 --> 02:09:02,079
staff and the

2700
02:09:02,079 --> 02:09:05,720
applicant could work together with so that our concerns

2701
02:09:05,720 --> 02:09:07,039
when it gets to City

2702
02:09:07,039 --> 02:09:10,350
Council have already been addressed to protect the

2703
02:09:10,350 --> 02:09:12,079
neighborhood 50 years down

2704
02:09:12,079 --> 02:09:16,189
the road like what what could what can staff do you could

2705
02:09:16,189 --> 02:09:18,119
not recommend an ADP

2706
02:09:18,119 --> 02:09:23,520
tonight in order to go to council you would have to have

2707
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:24,520
that as a separate

2708
02:09:24,520 --> 02:09:28,039
item and the ADP though it's a good suggestion doesn't

2709
02:09:28,039 --> 02:09:30,000
address my concern of

2710
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:33,880
decades down the road it's putting more a bigger burden on

2711
02:09:33,880 --> 02:09:35,119
the United Way which

2712
02:09:35,119 --> 02:09:38,430
I don't want to do I want to protect the neighborhood when

2713
02:09:38,430 --> 02:09:39,640
when and if this

2714
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:42,949
property sells many many years later and the ADP I don't

2715
02:09:42,949 --> 02:09:43,840
think meets that

2716
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:47,250
addresses that in the way I would like for it to so so

2717
02:09:47,250 --> 02:09:48,640
things like so if we

2718
02:09:48,640 --> 02:09:51,270
approved the ECI rezoned tonight what sorts of

2719
02:09:51,270 --> 02:09:52,840
recommendations could we make

2720
02:09:52,840 --> 02:09:56,720
to City Council that they could implement when they when

2721
02:09:56,720 --> 02:09:57,720
United Way goes

2722
02:09:57,720 --> 02:10:02,069
to them is there is there anything now it's just considered

2723
02:10:02,069 --> 02:10:03,399
a straight underlying

2724
02:10:03,399 --> 02:10:07,319
zoning whether or not we can add the overlay or whether or

2725
02:10:07,319 --> 02:10:07,760
not you want to

2726
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:11,069
add an ADP those are the only options really to you can't

2727
02:10:11,069 --> 02:10:12,119
put conditions on

2728
02:10:12,119 --> 02:10:16,270
your underlying zoning you just can't so you have to use

2729
02:10:16,270 --> 02:10:17,680
one of those other

2730
02:10:17,680 --> 02:10:20,529
avenues or a different tool to do that and we just don't

2731
02:10:20,529 --> 02:10:21,600
have that notice

2732
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:24,909
tonight it's the problem okay and then I guess I have a

2733
02:10:24,909 --> 02:10:25,640
question of the applicant

2734
02:10:25,640 --> 02:10:30,500
then so you're hearing these concerns what would you be

2735
02:10:30,500 --> 02:10:32,319
amenable to an NRM you

2736
02:10:32,319 --> 02:10:35,310
rezone since it is in the same as Commissioner Taylor said

2737
02:10:35,310 --> 02:10:36,319
the same family

2738
02:10:36,319 --> 02:10:43,520
of zoning for residential approach I don't know because I

2739
02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:45,960
don't know what's in

2740
02:10:45,960 --> 02:10:52,699
it your your project is in it you could build your project

2741
02:10:52,699 --> 02:10:54,760
in NRM you I think so

2742
02:10:54,760 --> 02:11:00,699
pretty sure I can tell you our discussions with the cat

2743
02:11:00,699 --> 02:11:01,140
with our

2744
02:11:01,140 --> 02:11:05,060
consultant is that we talked a lot about drainage we talked

2745
02:11:05,060 --> 02:11:06,079
a lot about the

2746
02:11:06,079 --> 02:11:10,119
protection of the neighborhood we can you show that pull up

2747
02:11:10,119 --> 02:11:11,239
that aerial and

2748
02:11:11,239 --> 02:11:13,329
because I can talk a little bit you can see what I'm

2749
02:11:13,329 --> 02:11:14,399
talking about there is

2750
02:11:14,399 --> 02:11:17,760
there's a significant amount of tree canopy right in the

2751
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:18,680
middle of that

2752
02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:22,039
tract of land you see it right there and then with the

2753
02:11:22,039 --> 02:11:23,760
required setbacks of our

2754
02:11:23,760 --> 02:11:28,810
building that building is going to be tucked in behind

2755
02:11:28,810 --> 02:11:30,920
those trees with the

2756
02:11:30,920 --> 02:11:33,789
idea that we are our intent is to save every tree that we

2757
02:11:33,789 --> 02:11:35,119
possibly can subject

2758
02:11:35,119 --> 02:11:39,470
to having to do something to to handle the drainage and the

2759
02:11:39,470 --> 02:11:40,039
detention

2760
02:11:40,039 --> 02:11:43,399
requirements it may that may be required when we get to

2761
02:11:43,399 --> 02:11:44,680
that point but

2762
02:11:44,680 --> 02:11:46,840
that building is going to be pretty much in the in the

2763
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:47,880
middle of that tract of

2764
02:11:47,880 --> 02:11:52,020
land in the skinny part there to the east of those trees

2765
02:11:52,020 --> 02:11:53,479
with the idea that

2766
02:11:53,479 --> 02:11:56,699
we're going to protect that that tree buffer plus the the

2767
02:11:56,699 --> 02:11:57,640
setback and the

2768
02:11:57,640 --> 02:12:00,880
landscape buffer that we're also already required to do so

2769
02:12:00,880 --> 02:12:02,239
we fully intend to

2770
02:12:02,239 --> 02:12:05,569
meet or exceed the site plan requirements from drainage

2771
02:12:05,569 --> 02:12:06,439
landscaping

2772
02:12:06,439 --> 02:12:10,439
lighting whatever and I and I fully believe you I really

2773
02:12:10,439 --> 02:12:11,399
truly do this is a

2774
02:12:11,399 --> 02:12:14,010
fantastic project and I really do want to see it go forward

2775
02:12:14,010 --> 02:12:14,880
and I believe that

2776
02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:18,739
that your project is not going to have a detrimental impact

2777
02:12:18,739 --> 02:12:19,520
on the neighborhood

2778
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:25,189
my concern is 30 40 50 years down the road when United Way

2779
02:12:25,189 --> 02:12:26,239
were to sell this

2780
02:12:26,239 --> 02:12:29,550
property and and to someone else and build a bigger

2781
02:12:29,550 --> 02:12:31,119
location elsewhere then

2782
02:12:31,119 --> 02:12:34,359
what happens then it's it's zoned for this heavy this

2783
02:12:34,359 --> 02:12:35,720
heavier use that I'm not

2784
02:12:35,720 --> 02:12:37,439
sure is compatible with the neighborhood so I just want you

2785
02:12:37,439 --> 02:12:38,119
to be clear like I'm

2786
02:12:38,119 --> 02:12:41,430
in favor of your project I'm just thinking generations

2787
02:12:41,430 --> 02:12:42,239
ahead what would

2788
02:12:42,239 --> 02:12:47,449
happen to that that buffer zone we narrow we knit by this

2789
02:12:47,449 --> 02:12:48,760
zone we do narrow

2790
02:12:48,760 --> 02:12:51,869
the buffer zone but that buffer zone is there now wider but

2791
02:12:51,869 --> 02:12:52,960
it will be narrower

2792
02:12:52,960 --> 02:12:57,140
there's still going to be the the ECI next to it next to

2793
02:12:57,140 --> 02:12:58,680
whatever might

2794
02:12:58,680 --> 02:13:01,439
encroach upon that that property right and that's what

2795
02:13:01,439 --> 02:13:02,600
Chairman Strange said

2796
02:13:02,600 --> 02:13:05,840
too and I I see that I recognize that but you become the

2797
02:13:05,840 --> 02:13:06,520
buffer for the

2798
02:13:06,520 --> 02:13:09,829
neighborhood as opposed to commissioner Taylor is you

2799
02:13:09,829 --> 02:13:10,960
become the buffer which

2800
02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:13,689
makes you a benefit to the neighborhood as opposed to a

2801
02:13:13,689 --> 02:13:14,840
potential risk in the

2802
02:13:14,840 --> 02:13:19,090
future so it sounds like you're you need to do more

2803
02:13:19,090 --> 02:13:21,560
research as far as NRM you

2804
02:13:21,560 --> 02:13:25,140
being appropriate for your any plans you might have yeah

2805
02:13:25,140 --> 02:13:26,560
because I don't thought

2806
02:13:26,560 --> 02:13:29,529
sure we know exactly what that what what we're being sad

2807
02:13:29,529 --> 02:13:31,359
dled with cost-wise what

2808
02:13:31,359 --> 02:13:34,050
it does with with the layout of our of our building

2809
02:13:34,050 --> 02:13:35,479
footprint our parking and

2810
02:13:35,479 --> 02:13:38,789
those things that were again those were sensitive to those

2811
02:13:38,789 --> 02:13:39,520
issues because those

2812
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:44,350
will impact the surrounding properties so would it would

2813
02:13:44,350 --> 02:13:46,600
you have time to

2814
02:13:46,600 --> 02:13:53,359
ascertain if NRM you will work for you by April 13th April

2815
02:13:53,359 --> 02:13:55,119
13th in approximately

2816
02:13:55,119 --> 02:13:58,550
four weeks four and a half words the timing has been

2817
02:13:58,550 --> 02:14:00,359
perfect up to right now

2818
02:14:00,359 --> 02:14:05,989
we are we are scheduled to close is at the 14th of April so

2819
02:14:05,989 --> 02:14:06,880
please approach

2820
02:14:06,880 --> 02:14:15,949
you that way thank you all for indulging us today we're

2821
02:14:15,949 --> 02:14:17,000
really pretty consistent

2822
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:20,750
on our idea and our plan we can't plan for 50 years down

2823
02:14:20,750 --> 02:14:21,960
the road as much as

2824
02:14:21,960 --> 02:14:26,100
the city would like that we can't tell you what somebody

2825
02:14:26,100 --> 02:14:27,479
else may build or do

2826
02:14:27,479 --> 02:14:31,340
with the property if 40 or 50 or 20 or 30 years we we

2827
02:14:31,340 --> 02:14:32,640
change it we do know the

2828
02:14:32,640 --> 02:14:36,189
zoning classification that we requested is the zoning

2829
02:14:36,189 --> 02:14:37,800
classification that's

2830
02:14:37,800 --> 02:14:42,130
consistent with our use it's also consistent with the

2831
02:14:42,130 --> 02:14:44,239
future land plan for

2832
02:14:44,239 --> 02:14:49,069
the city and as such that's why we're very you know we

2833
02:14:49,069 --> 02:14:50,640
really need to jump

2834
02:14:50,640 --> 02:14:54,979
start the process and not put it on hold we also are very

2835
02:14:54,979 --> 02:14:56,439
sensitive to our

2836
02:14:56,439 --> 02:14:59,140
neighbors and in the reason why I can tell you we're

2837
02:14:59,140 --> 02:15:00,159
sensitive to our

2838
02:15:00,159 --> 02:15:03,489
neighbors is we went out ahead of time to go talk to our

2839
02:15:03,489 --> 02:15:05,039
neighbors we are going

2840
02:15:05,039 --> 02:15:08,649
to do what we can to make a project that beautifully

2841
02:15:08,649 --> 02:15:10,319
enhances that neighborhood

2842
02:15:10,319 --> 02:15:14,420
but we need y'all's help in doing that we don't really have

2843
02:15:14,420 --> 02:15:15,479
the luxury of

2844
02:15:15,479 --> 02:15:20,779
waiting another 60 or 90 or 30 days of doing that our

2845
02:15:20,779 --> 02:15:22,439
position is it fits

2846
02:15:22,439 --> 02:15:26,619
within the current classification and so with all due

2847
02:15:26,619 --> 02:15:29,039
respect and indulgence we

2848
02:15:29,039 --> 02:15:33,739
hope that you will agree now this is just zoning so there's

2849
02:15:33,739 --> 02:15:34,720
a lot more we're

2850
02:15:34,720 --> 02:15:37,930
going to come before you on like what does it look like

2851
02:15:37,930 --> 02:15:39,239
right what are we how

2852
02:15:39,239 --> 02:15:42,640
are we buffering it what things are we doing for traffic

2853
02:15:42,640 --> 02:15:44,640
for fire protection

2854
02:15:44,640 --> 02:15:48,720
those are all other opportunities for us to refine our plan

2855
02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:49,800
but we have to get to

2856
02:15:49,800 --> 02:15:55,800
that first step so again with all due respect I would

2857
02:15:55,800 --> 02:15:56,720
respectfully request

2858
02:15:56,720 --> 02:16:00,960
that y'all approve the zoning and allow us to continue on

2859
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:02,760
the path of providing

2860
02:16:02,760 --> 02:16:07,439
a beautiful structure it's not really in the neighborhood

2861
02:16:07,439 --> 02:16:09,439
it's it's really on the

2862
02:16:09,439 --> 02:16:13,289
fringe of the neighborhood but will greatly benefit our

2863
02:16:13,289 --> 02:16:14,760
neighbors the other

2864
02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:17,000
thing I would just throw this I was looking at and I wasn't

2865
02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:18,079
really prepared

2866
02:16:18,079 --> 02:16:21,689
today to talk but I was looking at the map and I was

2867
02:16:21,689 --> 02:16:23,680
looking at the future use

2868
02:16:23,680 --> 02:16:28,510
map and if you look at where this property is it's in our

2869
02:16:28,510 --> 02:16:30,039
form right which

2870
02:16:30,039 --> 02:16:35,719
is neighborhood residential four units per acre is correct

2871
02:16:35,719 --> 02:16:36,760
so you have a lot of

2872
02:16:36,760 --> 02:16:40,120
content permit you have a lot of potential density in that

2873
02:16:40,120 --> 02:16:41,000
neighborhood

2874
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:46,840
just with houses now let's look to I guess I want to say

2875
02:16:46,840 --> 02:16:48,520
okay so if you look

2876
02:16:48,520 --> 02:16:53,399
right over here we can't see because I can't point right

2877
02:16:53,399 --> 02:16:55,520
over here well this is

2878
02:16:55,520 --> 02:16:59,870
all it if we take the logic and we continue to move forward

2879
02:16:59,870 --> 02:17:01,040
with this well

2880
02:17:01,040 --> 02:17:04,780
this residential neighborhoods also next to light

2881
02:17:04,780 --> 02:17:06,639
industrial so at what point

2882
02:17:06,639 --> 02:17:10,120
do you stop right what point do you say no but we do have a

2883
02:17:10,120 --> 02:17:10,719
beautiful project

2884
02:17:10,719 --> 02:17:14,030
and and we hope you'll support us but you got to follow the

2885
02:17:14,030 --> 02:17:14,920
logic I think a

2886
02:17:14,920 --> 02:17:18,239
little bit that our goal I think is consistent with the

2887
02:17:18,239 --> 02:17:19,479
city and consistent

2888
02:17:19,479 --> 02:17:22,500
with the use so again thank you so much for indulging me

2889
02:17:22,500 --> 02:17:23,040
and give me the

2890
02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:25,760
opportunity may have one more question for you Commissioner

2891
02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:26,239
Hudgemith do you

2892
02:17:26,239 --> 02:17:29,680
have a question for the applicant yes sir thank you and so

2893
02:17:29,680 --> 02:17:31,639
I agree with

2894
02:17:31,639 --> 02:17:35,979
everything that's said here my the one thing I've not that

2895
02:17:35,979 --> 02:17:37,280
I think we get back

2896
02:17:37,280 --> 02:17:41,270
to and and just as succinct as possible is we all trust

2897
02:17:41,270 --> 02:17:42,840
United Way it's great

2898
02:17:42,840 --> 02:17:47,040
but ignoring the fact that there is a field directly across

2899
02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:48,440
Woodrow that's not

2900
02:17:48,440 --> 02:17:52,000
developed there's a field across the street that's not

2901
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:53,600
developed Denton is

2902
02:17:53,600 --> 02:17:57,459
going to continue to grow Denton and that part of Denton is

2903
02:17:57,459 --> 02:17:58,799
a hotbed for

2904
02:17:58,799 --> 02:18:03,069
growth to ignore the fact that United Way is going to keep

2905
02:18:03,069 --> 02:18:03,760
doing great things

2906
02:18:03,760 --> 02:18:07,079
and grow and grow and grow and at some point potentially

2907
02:18:07,079 --> 02:18:08,239
outgrow that house

2908
02:18:08,239 --> 02:18:15,200
that new facility would be short-sighted so looking long-

2909
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:18,239
term what that I get we

2910
02:18:18,239 --> 02:18:23,290
get back to long-term what what skin in the game what assur

2911
02:18:23,290 --> 02:18:24,760
ances that when this

2912
02:18:24,760 --> 02:18:28,270
sells it's not going to go to something else can you give

2913
02:18:28,270 --> 02:18:29,719
and that's where that

2914
02:18:29,719 --> 02:18:34,549
zoning comes in because it protects the residents from the

2915
02:18:34,549 --> 02:18:36,000
other side of the

2916
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:39,360
property gets developed and it's United Way is outgrown

2917
02:18:39,360 --> 02:18:40,920
that space and it can

2918
02:18:40,920 --> 02:18:46,090
sell it at a premium and it does the neighborhood is kind

2919
02:18:46,090 --> 02:18:48,719
of doesn't have an

2920
02:18:48,719 --> 02:18:51,920
opportunity to address that issue and that's that's kind of

2921
02:18:51,920 --> 02:18:52,719
that long-term

2922
02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:56,520
plan is really what we get hung up

2923
02:19:00,120 --> 02:19:03,329
well there's a couple things one and again one prepared to

2924
02:19:03,329 --> 02:19:04,840
talk today but I'll

2925
02:19:04,840 --> 02:19:07,840
be happy to address it to the extent I can you're

2926
02:19:07,840 --> 02:19:09,440
outstanding so if you look at

2927
02:19:09,440 --> 02:19:12,260
the property in this shape it's a very unique shape piece

2928
02:19:12,260 --> 02:19:13,079
of property it's

2929
02:19:13,079 --> 02:19:17,430
five point something acres of land well one of the things

2930
02:19:17,430 --> 02:19:19,040
is once we we get past

2931
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:21,680
this process you're gonna have to look at where we're

2932
02:19:21,680 --> 02:19:22,799
putting our building

2933
02:19:22,799 --> 02:19:33,829
right not at all relative to drainage and see my thought is

2934
02:19:33,829 --> 02:19:35,879
I mean there's I

2935
02:19:35,879 --> 02:19:40,469
can't talk about what a future owner may do as you know I

2936
02:19:40,469 --> 02:19:41,719
mean you just can't

2937
02:19:41,719 --> 02:19:47,250
bind a future owner well we could by restricting the zoning

2938
02:19:47,250 --> 02:19:48,719
okay but future

2939
02:19:48,719 --> 02:19:52,860
land use map again says what it says sure so looking at the

2940
02:19:52,860 --> 02:19:54,079
property itself

2941
02:19:54,079 --> 02:19:57,040
and the unique characteristic of the property if we put a

2942
02:19:57,040 --> 02:19:57,799
ten or eleven

2943
02:19:57,799 --> 02:20:01,110
thousand square foot building in it naturally it's got to

2944
02:20:01,110 --> 02:20:01,840
go in a place

2945
02:20:01,840 --> 02:20:05,239
because you have to parking too it's got to go in an area

2946
02:20:05,239 --> 02:20:06,440
that is going to be

2947
02:20:06,440 --> 02:20:10,399
consistent with where all the rest of the contour of the

2948
02:20:10,399 --> 02:20:11,760
property is where

2949
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:15,000
drainage has to go and I think if you know that I think the

2950
02:20:15,000 --> 02:20:16,879
drainage flows I'm

2951
02:20:16,879 --> 02:20:20,120
looking east-west I think it flows west yes that yeah that

2952
02:20:20,120 --> 02:20:21,000
ditches to the yeah

2953
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:25,860
so yeah northwest so we're gonna have to provide some

2954
02:20:25,860 --> 02:20:28,879
drainage right so the

2955
02:20:28,879 --> 02:20:33,030
building's really going to be stuck more in the back middle

2956
02:20:33,030 --> 02:20:34,360
of the property to

2957
02:20:34,360 --> 02:20:36,950
the east is what I would think so I think that kind of

2958
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:38,159
protects because what

2959
02:20:38,159 --> 02:20:39,940
do you do with the rest of the property Charlie can be

2960
02:20:39,940 --> 02:20:42,000
parking lot and sure no

2961
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:44,559
no I think so so yeah I don't know how to answer a question

2962
02:20:44,559 --> 02:20:45,520
about the future

2963
02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:49,870
because our goal is really not to leave the property sure

2964
02:20:49,870 --> 02:20:51,319
okay and if you look

2965
02:20:51,319 --> 02:20:55,559
at history United Way has been in rental space what's when

2966
02:20:55,559 --> 02:20:58,180
did we start since the

2967
02:20:58,180 --> 02:21:01,110
1950s in about you know two to three thousand square foot

2968
02:21:01,110 --> 02:21:02,680
of rental space the

2969
02:21:02,680 --> 02:21:06,530
idea behind why we want this property so bad is we have a

2970
02:21:06,530 --> 02:21:09,200
great relationship with

2971
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:12,659
the Housing Authority and it's a mutual benefit

2972
02:21:12,659 --> 02:21:14,559
relationship so if we're able to

2973
02:21:14,559 --> 02:21:17,399
build our project they're gonna benefit we're gonna benefit

2974
02:21:17,399 --> 02:21:17,959
in the neighborhood

2975
02:21:17,959 --> 02:21:20,879
well so I didn't answer your question but that's kind of

2976
02:21:20,879 --> 02:21:21,639
what we do sometimes

2977
02:21:21,639 --> 02:21:24,639
yeah

2978
02:21:24,840 --> 02:21:36,319
I think it's great I think I guess my really I get to if if

2979
02:21:36,319 --> 02:21:37,000
we could build a

2980
02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:40,649
project and protect ourselves both why why would we not do

2981
02:21:40,649 --> 02:21:41,920
that and that's

2982
02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:45,280
that's kind of my thought but yeah neither here nor there I

2983
02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:46,639
think in some

2984
02:21:46,639 --> 02:21:57,799
respects you have to have some faith absolutely thank you I

2985
02:21:57,799 --> 02:21:59,440
have the floor

2986
02:21:59,440 --> 02:22:03,680
next I've heard a lot of different points and discussion

2987
02:22:03,680 --> 02:22:04,399
tonight on this

2988
02:22:04,399 --> 02:22:07,969
and I know everybody's passionate about their opinion and I

2989
02:22:07,969 --> 02:22:09,159
'm going to just come

2990
02:22:09,159 --> 02:22:15,090
back for simplicity sake from my zoning experiences that

2991
02:22:15,090 --> 02:22:17,239
the proposed zoning is

2992
02:22:17,239 --> 02:22:23,889
in compliance with what the Denton plan is and there is

2993
02:22:23,889 --> 02:22:25,559
already this same exact

2994
02:22:25,559 --> 02:22:31,760
zoning to the south of the property and I have good faith

2995
02:22:31,760 --> 02:22:33,959
that the applicant is

2996
02:22:33,959 --> 02:22:37,280
going to be cognizant of the neighborhood that's their

2997
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:38,040
charge they're

2998
02:22:38,040 --> 02:22:41,790
there to serve the neighbors and their community and I have

2999
02:22:41,790 --> 02:22:42,799
full faith that

3000
02:22:42,799 --> 02:22:46,209
they will continue to do that and with that said I'm gonna

3001
02:22:46,209 --> 02:22:47,520
go ahead and make a

3002
02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:54,319
motion to approve this as proposed and see where we go with

3003
02:22:54,319 --> 02:22:54,680
it

3004
02:22:55,479 --> 02:22:59,479
Commissioner Dudowitz I haven't said too much yet but

3005
02:22:59,479 --> 02:23:01,040
because I'm listening and

3006
02:23:01,040 --> 02:23:04,500
we have listened to a lot of discussion even in the work

3007
02:23:04,500 --> 02:23:06,399
session I believe it's

3008
02:23:06,399 --> 02:23:10,479
the proposed is consistent with the future use plan I think

3009
02:23:10,479 --> 02:23:11,079
it works very

3010
02:23:11,079 --> 02:23:15,479
nicely within the confines of what we're looking at here I

3011
02:23:15,479 --> 02:23:17,040
do believe that the

3012
02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:20,899
applicant will protect this property as best it can and

3013
02:23:20,899 --> 02:23:22,440
then something you can

3014
02:23:22,440 --> 02:23:25,209
think about if ever whenever 50 years from now who knows

3015
02:23:25,209 --> 02:23:26,000
what's going to

3016
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:28,479
happen I mean we don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow

3017
02:23:28,479 --> 02:23:31,319
but they could in the

3018
02:23:31,319 --> 02:23:34,920
benefit of the community suggest in their selling process

3019
02:23:34,920 --> 02:23:35,680
if ever they do

3020
02:23:35,680 --> 02:23:38,629
they put restrictions on it at that point in time and it

3021
02:23:38,629 --> 02:23:39,920
can be done it's

3022
02:23:39,920 --> 02:23:43,780
been done it happens all the time so I second the motion

3023
02:23:43,780 --> 02:23:45,520
thank you okay thanks

3024
02:23:45,520 --> 02:23:48,420
for the second we have a first and second and we'll now

3025
02:23:48,420 --> 02:23:49,920
open for discussion

3026
02:23:49,920 --> 02:23:56,840
Commissioner Brighill thank you chair I am in support of

3027
02:23:56,840 --> 02:23:58,479
this of this project I

3028
02:23:58,479 --> 02:24:01,959
truly am and my concerns about the neighborhood I do not

3029
02:24:01,959 --> 02:24:03,479
want to slow down

3030
02:24:03,479 --> 02:24:07,159
this process so I am going to vote in favor of this because

3031
02:24:07,159 --> 02:24:08,079
I know that you're

3032
02:24:08,079 --> 02:24:11,280
going to bring a lot of good to the neighborhood and I'm

3033
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:12,760
hopeful that as we

3034
02:24:12,760 --> 02:24:16,809
work on redoing our debt and development code in the future

3035
02:24:16,809 --> 02:24:17,719
that we will have

3036
02:24:17,719 --> 02:24:21,629
more options rather than this or that which neither one

3037
02:24:21,629 --> 02:24:22,959
really kind of fit

3038
02:24:22,959 --> 02:24:25,600
what we're trying to do so I'm sure that staff has been

3039
02:24:25,600 --> 02:24:26,680
taking a lot of notes

3040
02:24:26,680 --> 02:24:30,000
tonight thinking about how we can maybe better address

3041
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:32,079
future conflicts like

3042
02:24:32,079 --> 02:24:34,920
this but I am going to support this project because I do

3043
02:24:34,920 --> 02:24:35,760
think it's good I

3044
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:38,120
think you guys are doing a great job for the neighborhood

3045
02:24:38,120 --> 02:24:38,920
and and as you said

3046
02:24:38,920 --> 02:24:43,920
Commissioner Strange that it is bordered by bordered by ECI

3047
02:24:43,920 --> 02:24:46,120
throughout and

3048
02:24:46,120 --> 02:24:48,229
United Way is supposed to be taking care of the

3049
02:24:48,229 --> 02:24:49,520
neighborhoods so I will be

3050
02:24:49,520 --> 02:24:53,600
voting in support of this Commissioner Beck thank you chair

3051
02:24:53,600 --> 02:24:54,559
and I'll be brief as

3052
02:24:54,559 --> 02:24:58,260
I can and I do approve of this project too I'd like to see

3053
02:24:58,260 --> 02:24:59,120
it going forward so

3054
02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:01,600
I'm gonna just throw a crazy thing out there and this may

3055
02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:02,280
be more legal

3056
02:25:02,280 --> 02:25:08,680
anything is there any way to commit future PNZ's to

3057
02:25:08,680 --> 02:25:11,799
consider the issues we've

3058
02:25:11,799 --> 02:25:15,479
been addressing here and you're shaking your head no okay

3059
02:25:15,479 --> 02:25:16,399
you can't find a

3060
02:25:16,399 --> 02:25:21,299
future commission can we make any attachments to this well

3061
02:25:21,299 --> 02:25:22,200
we'll have the

3062
02:25:22,200 --> 02:25:25,569
minutes yeah the discussion and any time that Commissioner

3063
02:25:25,569 --> 02:25:26,479
can always go back and

3064
02:25:26,479 --> 02:25:29,549
listen to the hearing and see it on video and just hope we

3065
02:25:29,549 --> 02:25:30,600
have as dedicated

3066
02:25:30,600 --> 02:25:35,950
a PNZ then as we do now that are concerned about okay thank

3067
02:25:35,950 --> 02:25:38,159
you okay we

3068
02:25:38,159 --> 02:25:40,899
have a first and a second and any further discussion on

3069
02:25:40,899 --> 02:25:41,719
this item for

3070
02:25:41,719 --> 02:26:01,299
calling a vote seeing none I will call for a vote on the

3071
02:26:01,299 --> 02:26:03,600
board

3072
02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:13,420
motion carries seven zero thank you congratulations at this

3073
02:26:13,420 --> 02:26:15,079
time I will go

3074
02:26:15,079 --> 02:26:20,709
ahead and open the public hearing for s 15 - zero zero one

3075
02:26:20,709 --> 02:26:23,799
eight and I'll call

3076
02:26:25,920 --> 02:26:33,250
thank you good luck with your project let the room clear

3077
02:26:33,250 --> 02:26:35,239
just a minute and

3078
02:26:35,239 --> 02:26:40,239
I'll come back to it and ask for a public hearing we hit

3079
02:26:40,239 --> 02:26:41,000
our Donnie

3080
02:26:51,239 --> 02:26:56,350
we have opened the public hearing for s 15 - zero zero one

3081
02:26:56,350 --> 02:26:58,600
eight and as our part

3082
02:26:58,600 --> 02:27:01,809
of our procedure we will call on the applicant first and

3083
02:27:01,809 --> 02:27:02,719
then a representative

3084
02:27:02,719 --> 02:27:05,549
the absolute speak second if you'd like each one of you

3085
02:27:05,549 --> 02:27:06,799
will have ten minutes

3086
02:27:06,799 --> 02:27:11,149
and as you approach if you will give your name and address

3087
02:27:11,149 --> 02:27:12,600
for the record and

3088
02:27:12,600 --> 02:27:17,760
then we'll need a card filled out as well thank you chair

3089
02:27:17,760 --> 02:27:19,159
commissioners city

3090
02:27:19,159 --> 02:27:24,020
staff my name is Yolanda Voral I reside at 2201 Geneva

3091
02:27:24,020 --> 02:27:24,920
Circle here in Denton

3092
02:27:24,920 --> 02:27:28,959
Texas I'm the lead designer for Tim Beatty builders in Dent

3093
02:27:28,959 --> 02:27:29,760
on and mr. Beatty

3094
02:27:29,760 --> 02:27:33,069
is also the owner of this proposed development I'm here

3095
02:27:33,069 --> 02:27:34,200
tonight seeking

3096
02:27:34,200 --> 02:27:38,290
approval for a special use permit for an infill development

3097
02:27:38,290 --> 02:27:41,639
of 2216 North Elm the

3098
02:27:41,639 --> 02:27:45,110
property currently consists of two lots one that's vacant

3099
02:27:45,110 --> 02:27:46,239
and the other has a

3100
02:27:46,239 --> 02:27:49,559
single-family residence of 881 square feet that was

3101
02:27:49,559 --> 02:27:52,360
constructed in 1946 it's

3102
02:27:52,360 --> 02:27:57,010
seen better days the property zoning is neighborhood

3103
02:27:57,010 --> 02:27:58,639
residential mixed-use 12

3104
02:27:58,639 --> 02:28:02,440
which allows us to develop the property with nine units

3105
02:28:02,440 --> 02:28:03,600
currently the

3106
02:28:03,600 --> 02:28:07,239
surrounding zonings are a mix of residential duplex multi-

3107
02:28:07,239 --> 02:28:08,000
family and

3108
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:12,239
commercial and we feel the project will be compatible with

3109
02:28:12,239 --> 02:28:14,680
these zonings we sent

3110
02:28:14,680 --> 02:28:18,229
mailings to residents within 200 and 500 feet of the

3111
02:28:18,229 --> 02:28:20,360
proposed development mr.

3112
02:28:20,360 --> 02:28:26,020
Beatty received phone calls and positive support I received

3113
02:28:26,020 --> 02:28:27,520
one asking if he

3114
02:28:27,520 --> 02:28:31,649
needed a leasing agent we hosted a neighborhood meeting

3115
02:28:31,649 --> 02:28:32,520
here in the

3116
02:28:32,520 --> 02:28:35,829
chamber and we received input from one resident who showed

3117
02:28:35,829 --> 02:28:36,479
concern for tree

3118
02:28:36,479 --> 02:28:40,000
protection during the construction phase we took action by

3119
02:28:40,000 --> 02:28:40,959
revisiting the

3120
02:28:40,959 --> 02:28:44,469
landscape plan with our landscape architect he clarified

3121
02:28:44,469 --> 02:28:45,159
his design

3122
02:28:45,159 --> 02:28:48,909
calculations and we touched base with her and sent her a

3123
02:28:48,909 --> 02:28:49,959
site plan so she

3124
02:28:49,959 --> 02:28:54,079
could review it it's our intent and to our advantage to

3125
02:28:54,079 --> 02:28:55,600
save as many trees on

3126
02:28:55,600 --> 02:28:59,950
the side as possible even if we don't get credit for them

3127
02:28:59,950 --> 02:29:01,440
mr. Beatty is a

3128
02:29:01,440 --> 02:29:05,559
longtime Denton County residents he's owned properties and

3129
02:29:05,559 --> 02:29:06,600
a business in the

3130
02:29:06,600 --> 02:29:09,440
city of Denton for more than 30 years he's a quality

3131
02:29:09,440 --> 02:29:10,840
builder in our community

3132
02:29:10,840 --> 02:29:14,590
and this project will be built to his high standards we've

3133
02:29:14,590 --> 02:29:15,920
worked closely with

3134
02:29:15,920 --> 02:29:19,670
the city staff to reach to this point and we feel the

3135
02:29:19,670 --> 02:29:20,799
project will complement

3136
02:29:20,799 --> 02:29:23,680
the neighborhood our tenants will be provided with a

3137
02:29:23,680 --> 02:29:24,959
quality build on a well

3138
02:29:24,959 --> 02:29:28,639
landscaped lot with open area for their enjoyment we're

3139
02:29:28,639 --> 02:29:30,280
here asking for your

3140
02:29:30,280 --> 02:29:33,209
approval for this SUP tonight so that we can move forward

3141
02:29:33,209 --> 02:29:34,360
with the permitting

3142
02:29:34,360 --> 02:29:38,100
process and mr. Beatty and I are here to answer any

3143
02:29:38,100 --> 02:29:39,920
questions you may have

3144
02:29:39,920 --> 02:29:46,719
any questions for that thank you very much

3145
02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:51,360
would you like to speak as well another applicant

3146
02:29:51,360 --> 02:29:56,159
representative no okay no we

3147
02:29:56,159 --> 02:30:00,090
might call on you in a minute thank you at this time I will

3148
02:30:00,090 --> 02:30:01,200
call on Ross

3149
02:30:01,200 --> 02:30:12,139
Culverson to give our staff report thank you chair this is

3150
02:30:12,139 --> 02:30:14,120
s-15 18 specific use

3151
02:30:14,120 --> 02:30:17,129
permit for multifamily dwellings on point eight acres zoned

3152
02:30:17,129 --> 02:30:18,120
in our mu 12 as

3153
02:30:18,120 --> 02:30:21,430
mentioned the applicant is Tim Beatty builders site is

3154
02:30:21,430 --> 02:30:22,079
located on the

3155
02:30:22,079 --> 02:30:26,270
southeast corner Telaferro Street in North Elm Street and

3156
02:30:26,270 --> 02:30:26,920
within our staff

3157
02:30:26,920 --> 02:30:31,329
findings in your staff report we point out that similar to

3158
02:30:31,329 --> 02:30:32,239
what was available

3159
02:30:32,239 --> 02:30:38,549
said there are multifamily units and single family units

3160
02:30:38,549 --> 02:30:40,520
throughout the the

3161
02:30:40,520 --> 02:30:44,079
street pattern there we find that the units that are

3162
02:30:44,079 --> 02:30:45,479
proposed are in scale and

3163
02:30:45,479 --> 02:30:51,920
are compatible to adjacent uses I do want to point out the

3164
02:30:51,920 --> 02:30:54,399
site plan that shows

3165
02:30:54,399 --> 02:30:58,610
the indication of where the frontage is of two-story to two

3166
02:30:58,610 --> 02:31:00,280
-story buildings and

3167
02:31:00,280 --> 02:31:04,430
then a one-story building towards the rear with a parking

3168
02:31:04,430 --> 02:31:05,680
court off of

3169
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:13,719
Telaferro and a exit only emergency access and excess for

3170
02:31:13,719 --> 02:31:15,200
trash trucks

3171
02:31:15,200 --> 02:31:19,799
exiting the property on to the one way North Elm Street

3172
02:31:19,799 --> 02:31:21,360
there to the south

3173
02:31:21,360 --> 02:31:24,670
these are the elevations as presented from the applicant

3174
02:31:24,670 --> 02:31:25,680
and working with the

3175
02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:31,010
architect staff gave some input and the applicant was amen

3176
02:31:31,010 --> 02:31:32,399
able and worked to

3177
02:31:32,399 --> 02:31:35,030
provide a good product and I believe that this provides a

3178
02:31:35,030 --> 02:31:35,840
good street face

3179
02:31:35,840 --> 02:31:41,159
to Elm Street as for new infill development in this area so

3180
02:31:41,159 --> 02:31:41,600
staff is

3181
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:48,239
recommending approval subject to the conditions and we get

3182
02:31:48,239 --> 02:31:48,479
to the

3183
02:31:48,479 --> 02:31:53,629
recommendations section here just a condition that the

3184
02:31:53,629 --> 02:31:54,760
proposed development

3185
02:31:54,760 --> 02:31:57,629
shall substantially comply with the attached site plan

3186
02:31:57,629 --> 02:31:59,000
building elevations in

3187
02:31:59,000 --> 02:32:02,239
landscape land submitted with the project I can answer any

3188
02:32:02,239 --> 02:32:02,879
questions you

3189
02:32:02,879 --> 02:32:11,600
may have any questions for staff see none thank you Ross

3190
02:32:11,600 --> 02:32:14,600
with that I will

3191
02:32:14,600 --> 02:32:18,100
close the public hearing on this item and I will open it up

3192
02:32:18,100 --> 02:32:19,280
for discussion or

3193
02:32:19,280 --> 02:32:27,760
emotion Commissioner Hudge with I move approval

3194
02:32:27,760 --> 02:32:31,840
Commissioner Bribble I love infill development so I will

3195
02:32:31,840 --> 02:32:33,159
second the motion

3196
02:32:33,159 --> 02:32:39,159
a first and a second any further discussion or comments

3197
02:32:39,159 --> 02:32:41,879
seeing none I'm

3198
02:32:41,879 --> 02:32:44,270
looking forward to voting for this as well I like seeing

3199
02:32:44,270 --> 02:32:45,200
infill development

3200
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:49,479
and I will call for a vote on the board

3201
02:32:54,360 --> 02:32:58,100
motion carries 7-0 congratulations and good luck on your

3202
02:32:58,100 --> 02:33:02,719
project that moves us

3203
02:33:02,719 --> 02:33:11,329
to our project matrix or any concluding items Commissioner

3204
02:33:11,329 --> 02:33:13,120
Rizzo I'll start this

3205
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:18,940
by not knowing where this is gonna end I find it really

3206
02:33:18,940 --> 02:33:20,639
confusing when the

3207
02:33:20,639 --> 02:33:24,180
applicant for a build is also submitting a rezone because I

3208
02:33:24,180 --> 02:33:25,200
think it just blurs

3209
02:33:25,200 --> 02:33:27,899
though like we're talking forever about what United Way is

3210
02:33:27,899 --> 02:33:28,799
doing and it seems

3211
02:33:28,799 --> 02:33:32,229
like the zoning aspects shouldn't even matter what United

3212
02:33:32,229 --> 02:33:33,200
Way is doing I don't

3213
02:33:33,200 --> 02:33:36,280
know there's a way to bifurcate those legally or anything

3214
02:33:36,280 --> 02:33:38,000
like that maybe just

3215
02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:40,590
me but it happened a couple of weeks ago and thankfully

3216
02:33:40,590 --> 02:33:41,600
Commissioner Taylor kind

3217
02:33:41,600 --> 02:33:46,059
of sidebar me and made me think about them separately but

3218
02:33:46,059 --> 02:33:48,200
so often we have the

3219
02:33:48,200 --> 02:33:52,100
applicant for a project doing the zoning when we get so

3220
02:33:52,100 --> 02:33:53,719
focused on what's their

3221
02:33:53,719 --> 02:33:56,430
building gonna be like what's the permits gonna be like and

3222
02:33:56,430 --> 02:33:57,120
it changes the

3223
02:33:57,120 --> 02:34:00,870
focus from the actual just let's look at zoning alignment

3224
02:34:00,870 --> 02:34:01,799
and I saw it firsthand

3225
02:34:01,799 --> 02:34:05,799
tonight United Way was speaking more to what United Way is

3226
02:34:05,799 --> 02:34:06,719
gonna do rather than

3227
02:34:06,719 --> 02:34:10,590
what the lands gonna be used for and so maybe I'm just

3228
02:34:10,590 --> 02:34:12,559
vocalizing my confusion

3229
02:34:12,559 --> 02:34:15,389
during those times there's a way that can just maybe

3230
02:34:15,389 --> 02:34:16,840
personally be clarified

3231
02:34:16,840 --> 02:34:19,399
for me or way that that can stay on point I'm not sure

3232
02:34:19,399 --> 02:34:20,239
again I don't know

3233
02:34:20,239 --> 02:34:23,479
where this ends but it just seems to come up a couple of

3234
02:34:23,479 --> 02:34:24,559
times in my short time

3235
02:34:24,559 --> 02:34:28,520
here it's just like we need to clarify those are discussion

3236
02:34:28,520 --> 02:34:29,479
tag along with that

3237
02:34:29,479 --> 02:34:32,350
too real quick because I because I agree because remember

3238
02:34:32,350 --> 02:34:33,799
when we saw the the

3239
02:34:33,799 --> 02:34:36,870
reason on the corner of actor and University yeah and and

3240
02:34:36,870 --> 02:34:37,520
the neighborhood

3241
02:34:37,520 --> 02:34:39,719
was really upset because they were drive-through

3242
02:34:39,719 --> 02:34:40,719
restaurants and I had

3243
02:34:40,719 --> 02:34:43,200
wondered if if the applicant hadn't come forward with that

3244
02:34:43,200 --> 02:34:44,040
proposal if it was

3245
02:34:44,040 --> 02:34:47,500
just looking at the rezone if there would have been as much

3246
02:34:47,500 --> 02:34:48,440
of a of an outcry

3247
02:34:48,440 --> 02:34:52,600
about that so so I think sometimes it can confuse both the

3248
02:34:52,600 --> 02:34:53,559
neighborhoods and

3249
02:34:53,559 --> 02:34:56,760
the Commission when we were should be looking strictly at a

3250
02:34:56,760 --> 02:34:57,600
rezone and then

3251
02:34:57,600 --> 02:35:00,680
looking at the project down the road so I I agree with you

3252
02:35:00,680 --> 02:35:01,319
and I don't know how

3253
02:35:01,319 --> 02:35:04,799
you separate those but it just seems to be a recurring

3254
02:35:04,799 --> 02:35:06,479
confusion can I speak to

3255
02:35:06,479 --> 02:35:10,229
that sure how do you separate them when we look at plats

3256
02:35:10,229 --> 02:35:11,399
you know first plat

3257
02:35:11,399 --> 02:35:14,379
second plot we're just see lines we don't see what's going

3258
02:35:14,379 --> 02:35:15,000
there or whatever

3259
02:35:15,000 --> 02:35:18,459
we don't know so that's a little bit simpler but I agree it

3260
02:35:18,459 --> 02:35:19,079
does kind of

3261
02:35:19,079 --> 02:35:23,760
cloud and we got into it so I don't know what the answer is

3262
02:35:23,760 --> 02:35:24,799
there are some staff

3263
02:35:24,799 --> 02:35:27,459
to give some clarification on this there are some

3264
02:35:27,459 --> 02:35:29,000
suggestions that we can make

3265
02:35:29,000 --> 02:35:34,399
and we can put that on a future work session perfect

3266
02:35:34,399 --> 02:35:39,079
Commissioner Hussbuss I just wanted to update everyone that

3267
02:35:39,079 --> 02:35:40,000
I have been in

3268
02:35:40,000 --> 02:35:45,299
communication with mr. Mays in the parks department over

3269
02:35:45,299 --> 02:35:47,479
the bike paths that was

3270
02:35:47,479 --> 02:35:50,379
kind of redirected to him so he's out of town but when he

3271
02:35:50,379 --> 02:35:51,600
gets back we're going

3272
02:35:51,600 --> 02:35:54,809
to meet and we're going to talk bike paths and he's

3273
02:35:54,809 --> 02:35:56,000
identified some property

3274
02:35:56,000 --> 02:36:01,159
that the city owns that he thinks may be a good fit and so

3275
02:36:01,159 --> 02:36:03,319
I'll probably allow

3276
02:36:03,319 --> 02:36:07,840
him to update at some point but I what I'm pursuing with

3277
02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:09,079
him and discussing

3278
02:36:09,079 --> 02:36:15,309
with him is a way to have those paths funded by private

3279
02:36:15,309 --> 02:36:17,239
dollars but businesses

3280
02:36:17,239 --> 02:36:20,120
so target has partnered with the city on different projects

3281
02:36:20,120 --> 02:36:21,200
so target buys a

3282
02:36:21,200 --> 02:36:26,520
segment of the path and market its markets are tags it or

3283
02:36:26,520 --> 02:36:27,600
advertises on it

3284
02:36:27,600 --> 02:36:31,750
how they wish and so instead of spending advertising

3285
02:36:31,750 --> 02:36:33,719
dollars on TV and ads where

3286
02:36:33,719 --> 02:36:37,190
it gets fast forwarded past you have a permanent brand on a

3287
02:36:37,190 --> 02:36:38,680
path here in town

3288
02:36:38,680 --> 02:36:41,459
and so kind of partnering with different restaurants so if

3289
02:36:41,459 --> 02:36:42,479
you're Carl juniors

3290
02:36:42,479 --> 02:36:47,149
and you want to sell a greasy burger and you know advertise

3291
02:36:47,149 --> 02:36:48,600
our support fitness

3292
02:36:48,600 --> 02:36:52,840
then you can have it both ways so I'm sure at some point

3293
02:36:52,840 --> 02:36:53,879
once we get it

3294
02:36:53,879 --> 02:36:56,200
finalized we'll come back and present that but that's just

3295
02:36:56,200 --> 02:36:57,200
something I wanted

3296
02:36:57,200 --> 02:37:00,049
the other commissioners to know I'm working on trying to

3297
02:37:00,049 --> 02:37:01,639
get rolling thank

3298
02:37:01,639 --> 02:37:06,879
you for the update Commissioner Dudowitz but all this a

3299
02:37:06,879 --> 02:37:07,920
question for you we

3300
02:37:07,920 --> 02:37:11,350
changed the procedure by allowing the applicant to talk

3301
02:37:11,350 --> 02:37:12,600
first I was curious

3302
02:37:12,600 --> 02:37:21,319
what's the reason for the change this change will actually

3303
02:37:21,319 --> 02:37:21,920
flow into how

3304
02:37:21,920 --> 02:37:25,520
council will be doing that running their meetings as it

3305
02:37:25,520 --> 02:37:26,840
relates to presentations

3306
02:37:26,840 --> 02:37:31,219
as well so this initiative in the rationale I'm sorry it's

3307
02:37:31,219 --> 02:37:31,920
legally the

3308
02:37:31,920 --> 02:37:35,780
applicant has the burden to to put on their own case when

3309
02:37:35,780 --> 02:37:36,760
it they're the

3310
02:37:36,760 --> 02:37:40,069
applicant so we've been doing it backwards most cities do

3311
02:37:40,069 --> 02:37:40,479
it the other

3312
02:37:40,479 --> 02:37:43,180
way okay okay I was just curious just want to be in line

3313
02:37:43,180 --> 02:37:44,559
with what's normal

3314
02:37:44,559 --> 02:37:49,889
okay well here tonight the last applicant was almost given

3315
02:37:49,889 --> 02:37:50,440
the staff

3316
02:37:50,440 --> 02:37:53,520
presentation so then like this thing so that's what they

3317
02:37:53,520 --> 02:37:56,159
can adjust a little bit

3318
02:37:56,159 --> 02:38:00,850
and save time and whatever I don't know her first time she

3319
02:38:00,850 --> 02:38:00,959
was a little nervous

3320
02:38:00,959 --> 02:38:05,579
too so no I understand that but yeah understand but it's

3321
02:38:05,579 --> 02:38:07,200
the way it should be

3322
02:38:07,520 --> 02:38:13,059
thank you seeing no other comments I will close the meeting

3323
02:38:13,059 --> 02:38:16,639
at 8 o 5 thank you

3324
02:38:20,920 --> 02:38:23,479
way