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It is 5.02 and this meeting has been duly posted and we

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have a quorum present

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and first item on our agenda is to receive a clarification

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of agenda items

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today and I'll turn it over to Manal. Thank You Chairperson

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. Would the

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Commission like presentations on the plats that are on the

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agenda today? If

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not we can dive straight into the next items. Superb. We'll

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go ahead and discuss

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the presentation for the DME ordinance and I'm going to

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call...

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Clarification please. Yes. We use the plats. Those are

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among the consent agendas? The

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consent and the public hearing plan. We have a final replat

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on the agenda as

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well. If you have any questions related to any of the plots

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we can address this

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else we can dive into the rest of the agenda. Questions?

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Thank you Mike.

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This is the DCA 15-3. This is the proposed change to for

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the electric

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substations and switch stations. We presented in great

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detail last meeting,

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the end of last meeting. Just kind of give you a refresher

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of what we're doing.

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We're adding a new use electric substations and switch

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stations. With

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that we're going to add standards to subject 24 for

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screening buffering access

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and with that we'll create a site plan process for all

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substations to follow.

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Where an SUP in the districts with SUP is currently

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required we're going to add

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this new limitation that says you have to do all this

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public notification prior

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to council selecting the site. If you've done that then you

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don't have to do an

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SUP anymore you just have to follow the site plan process

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and we'll get into

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that in a second. The revisions that have come up since

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last time you saw it last

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time we presented it to you as we move the public

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notification from the site

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acquisition phase where they're purchasing it up to the

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site selection

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phase. What that does is allows you to notice all five

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options and tell them

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come out and give your input at that meeting as opposed to

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when they're going

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to purchase it. So we think that's a little improvement to

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the process. The

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second is now a site plan approval by staff we've added the

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word substantially

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comply with the site plan. It was already there for P&Z we

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just went ahead and

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added it on to staff. The fencing for the gates we changed

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from opaque to wrought

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iron. DME has some security concerns that we get into if

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you want but they need

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the visibility into the side in case of emergencies or

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fires things like that. So

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wrought iron is what we went with and lastly we...

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I have a question for you. Is that in lieu of the masonry?

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It's only for the gates so there's an opening for the drive

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ways it'll be a

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masonry gate. Okay so still masonry? Wrought iron gate, yes

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. Okay so still masonry

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screening just an iron gate. Right. Okay thank you. And

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that's clear in the... Commissioner

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Dudowitz. Is that clear in the revision? Yes it's changed

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to wrought iron or

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similar metal material. For the gate. Thank you. It's a

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gate, yes gate. And if it's

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to if it's across from a residence or something like that

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it's still opaque. Right.

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And then lastly there was some concern last meeting about

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the directors leeway

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and providing approving alternatives. We added some

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clarification to that note.

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I'd be happy to go over it if you want. Basically what we

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've done is... I'll

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actually go ahead and just read it. It's pretty short.

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Minor aesthetic deviations

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to screening and buffering standards may be approved by the

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director of

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developmental services or his or her designee if due to the

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unique character

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topography or orientation of the site the overall design

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aesthetic may be

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enhanced by the deviation and may serve the greatest extent

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possible of the

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regulations where applying them would prove impractical. So

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that's in summary

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kind of what we've done to add a little bit more direction

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to when that can be

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used. And we've added if director denies that alternative

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then they can appeal

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to P&Z. Commissioner Beck. Thank you. Now is this something

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that's going to be

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enhanced or diminished when he makes a change? It needs to

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enhance. Okay.

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Did I miss that word in there? Yeah. Yeah. It may be

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enhanced. Right. So those are the

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major changes. There's also some little minor word tweets

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here and there but

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nothing of substance. I'm just going to show you what that

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process would look

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like again. The yellow is what we're adding in. Public

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notification. The 200,

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500 feet, the signs and everything meeting all needs to be

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held before the PB and

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City Council meeting for the site selection. And what it'll

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look like is if

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you've done that notification per limitation and then you

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can go to the

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site directly to the site plan process. If you comply with

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all the design

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standards in 24 staff can approve it. If you need a

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deviation or cannot comply

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with it you go to planning and zoning Commission. If you

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cannot meet the

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public notification requirements for instance a private

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utility because they

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don't have City Council obviously they would still do the

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SUP as normal and

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staff would approve the site plan that complies with the SU

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P. Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you Chair. Okay. After going over this a little bit

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more I think I got a

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little bit more clarification. What we're essentially doing

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here is changing

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the process where SUPs aren't always required anymore.

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Correct? Correct. Except

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if they're... private utilities. Right. Now interesting to

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hear on one of three of the

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legislation taxes. Private utility companies or DME sites

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that cannot

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comply with the public hearing notification and

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neighborhood meeting

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process will still need to apply for an SUP. Will still

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need to apply for an SUP. Why is that

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written like that? Why I would assume if they don't meet

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these that would be the...

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So if they don't do this step here in yellow. Right. They

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don't send out

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notification for council to purchase a site. Right. Then

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you still have to follow

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the rules that are in place. The SUP notifications to all

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the sites. Then it says any

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proposed DME electric sub station or switch station

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facility that meets the

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public hearing notification neighborhood meeting

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requirements but does not meet

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the development standards would need to submit an

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application for review. That's

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the site plan process. So right here if you've done that

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notification. Yeah. Then

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you go into that site plan review. The sub tap for 24 and

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the site plan. Okay. And if

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you comply with all the standards we created on the face of

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them then you go

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staff can approve that. If you cannot comply with those

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standards in 24 that's

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when it comes to PMV. Okay. So what we're doing is we're am

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ending the DDC that

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allows this change so they don't have to do an SUP. I

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wouldn't say this they don't

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have to do an SUP. What we're really doing is moving that

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input and noticing that's

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required with the SUP up to the beginning of the process

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towards more

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impactful neighborhoods where they're going. We're

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requiring that notification

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to the neighbors that's not required now before the sites

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ever even picked. That's

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the whole intent of what we're doing here. Okay. So to say

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we're eliminating

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the SUP is not quite fair. We're just taking that

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notification and moving it

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up. Because by the time that if we do an SUP the sites

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already been purchased by

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council. It's already been it's already left the gate. It's

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already happening. And

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so we want to move that input up closer to when you're

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actually picking the

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site so that neighborhood feedback can be impactful. Okay.

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I don't mean to drag

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this out too long but I wrote part of this were these

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conditions and

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additional site considerations not codified anywhere is

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that right? Yes that's in 24

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which it's in your backup we gave you. Right. Those are all

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the site plan

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considerations the buffering, the screening, the lighting,

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the NERC and

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federal standards. Those are all spelled out in 24. Okay.

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And those are a

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reflection of the seven SUPs we've already approved that

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were consistent

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across the board with the conditions that were applied. And

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so if you comply

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with all those then it's just staff approval. Okay so we're

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not recodifying

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anything. We're adding in standards that were approved as

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conditions of SUPs.

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We're adding those into the code. Okay. Thanks.

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Commissioner Hartsmith. Thank you chair. I don't know if

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now is the time. I have a

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question about the language in the limitations here in so L

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-43. Correct me

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if I'm wrong but the way it reads currently 12 days for the

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public hearing

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15 days which is section C there 15 days for the public

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hearing. So would that

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does that mean you would have the public hearing before

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potentially the notice

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goes out? Am I reading that right? No your notice needs to

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go out 12 days before

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the hearing. Okay and so it go 12 days before the public

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hearing. Right to get

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the neighborhood notice that they're gonna be talking about

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it. Okay okay I

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read that to say that they ran they didn't they they ran

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separate but I I

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was that was my question. Right so B is a public hearing

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was required and

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then one and two underneath that is you have to have the

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notice 12 days prior to

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that public hearing. Perfect okay got it thank you. All

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right and that's really

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that's really it. It's always changed so. Commissioner Beck

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. Thank you. For

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definition electric distribution lines these are the lines

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that go from the

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power plant to the homes and businesses. Transmission line

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will go from the

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power plant to the substation. The substation the trans

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distribution line

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will go from the substation to your house. Okay thanks.

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Thank you Mike. Thank you Mike. Our next item will be

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presented by Ross. Ross is

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going to discuss DCA 150007.

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Good afternoon this is DCA 1507 a didn't cut amendment for

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it amending the

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historic districts district standards for adding cement

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itious siding to the

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historic codes. Let me give a little preface real quick. I

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have a background

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in architecture and I'm was kind of approached by our

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director to help kind

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of tie loose ends on this ordinance get the ordinance more

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into a written stage

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so we can put it into our code. Identify the the areas of

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interest within our

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districts and then just kind of close up the the work that

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has been done by our

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staff. I do want to kind of give credit to Katia Boykin and

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Cindy Jackson they

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are planners senior planners in our development services

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department that

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have done the legwork of a lot of the community meetings a

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lot of working with

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the historic districts and put all the kind of the data

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together that we are

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now tying together with this code amendment. Additionally

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the city has

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brought on board a historic preservation officer who will

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be starting with our

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department next in two weeks so he will kind of take the

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charge of anything

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forward and relate to our department on any further code

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updates coming forward

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but you have a staff report that kind of indicates there

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was a need based on some

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COA certificate of appropriateness for structures that were

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needing to be

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identified as a separate type of building material and we

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'll kind of walk

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through that with this process and how that relates to our

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DENT development

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code. So the request before you is to make a recommendation

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to City Council

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regarding amending sections 35 795, 35 7105, and 35 7135 of

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the DENT

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development code to include additional facade materials

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being cementitious

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siding as architectural requirements on new construction

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only and that's

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highlighted there within the DENT development code for the

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Oak history

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Oak Hickory historic district, the Belle Avenue historic

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conservation district,

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and the West Oak area historic district. Some background

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the homeowners in the

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historic districts have inquired to the city and requested

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buildings such as

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these listed garages, workshops, storage buildings, and new

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and fill houses to be

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able to apply cementitious or hardy board siding for these

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new construction

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activities. Now new construction is separate as a building

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envelope and

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building activity than preservation items. The DENT

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development code follows

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historic interior interior the secretary historic

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guidelines for required

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materials and processes for rehabilitating historic homes

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based on

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those approved materials and the character and quality of

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the

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contributing structure. So what this code amendment is only

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to kind of codify new

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rules for new construction. Cementitious siding for your

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kind of benefit or

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hardy board or planks, hardy board planks are siding or

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cement fiber board

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products usually kind of spelled out within the parameters

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of the dimensional

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requirements there used as exterior siding to replicate

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wood and they are

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tested and fire rated for durability against fire, insect,

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wind, and water. And

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James Hardy is a leading manufacturer company of fiber

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board siding that you

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may see throughout your view throughout the DFW Metroplex

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and all throughout the

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United States. Now generally a definition for the

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application of this is kind of

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broad. You can see hardy board on new single-family homes,

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on accessory

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structures, and for infill homes within historic districts

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and that's kind of

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the application we're looking to to amend with our DDC.

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This little picture up

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here came from the James Hardy website kind of indicating

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all the different

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types of siding and trim and architectural elements that

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kind of

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meet the character of how those new materials and

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expression of those

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materials are made instead of just a wood siding product.

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And the just to kind

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of point out this was this is my house or was my house in

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Houston and it was in

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a historic district but it was on an annex side of the

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district where you

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didn't have to meet the full replication of materials and

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it was built in 1999. I

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lived in it from 2004 to 2008 and it to me represents a you

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know what we are

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looking to do with new infill development when you can get

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an architect that can

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you know design for a good product with that siding.

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Current DDC historic standards just generally do not

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differentiate between

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new construction and preservation activities. They require

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COAs to

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have brick, wood siding, wood, stone, and stucco which are

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general materials

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required for historic preservation activities and are not

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consistent. The

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language of this is not consistent within the Denton

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Development Code and

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you'll take a look at that. Now it's kind of again just

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another indication these

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are the kind of preservation activities where we are

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preserving homes in Denton

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and these are notable structures in Denton that are

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maintaining the strict

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standards of brick, wood siding, wood, stone, and stucco

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and we are not this code

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amendment doesn't affect the historic preservation of these

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activities. So if

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you take a look in the Denton Development Code these are

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how they read verbatim

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in each section and you can see that each under general one

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of each one kind

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of says the permitted the only permitted facade materials

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are brick, wood siding,

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wood, stone, and stucco and within the Bell Avenue Historic

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District there are

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opportunities for new materials to be expressed but they

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are kind of codified

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in all the other districts so we're kind of seamlessly kind

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of matching all the

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all these together. So looking at this one by one Oak

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History Historic District

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will read the white writing is the original language the

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yellow is the new

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amended language which we are including the use of smooth

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sided

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cementitious siding is permitted on new construction and

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accessory buildings

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artificial facsimiles of these materials will be considered

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on a case-by-case

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basis as material technologies progress and we did that

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language for each of the

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historic districts shown here and with that there was data

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provided for us to

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make some good qualified decisions quantified decisions of

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what to do and

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our staff as mentioned polled comparable cities and pretty

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much all

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of them allow for cementitious siding to be implemented on

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new construction and

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we found that pretty standard throughout and I want to

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point out that Fort Worth

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identified it as smooth sided versus a grained pattern and

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you can get these

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panels within with grain patterns and other things but I

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think for the content

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and the character of the buildings that we have maintaining

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it as smooth sided

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is the direction we were going and we are following their

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lead. We've got a

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question for you on that. Yes. So you you can't use a wood

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textured type siding

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then only slick. My experience with that is I don't think

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you're going to end up

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with the kind of look that you may be looking for with a

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cement board because

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you can't countersink the nails when you shoot a smooth

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finish hardy board it'll

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it'll break so what ends up happening you have to high nail

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it all the nails

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show on it and when you paint it and you drive down the

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road and you look at it

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you'll see that and I learned that probably 20 years ago

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the hard way with

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the client and I've never used smooth textured siding since

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because of that

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because you can see every single nail shot in it. I

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understand what the look

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is but from the street you can't tell the difference but

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you will definitely

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see a very different look in the way the finish is going to

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be when it's

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caulk putty and painted with a just a smooth finish and I

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would just draw that

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to your attention from many years of experience you may

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want to check with

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some other contractors but I think the clients or the

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owners will maybe not be

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as pleased with the finished product using just a smooth

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only versus a texture

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that just be a comment. Commissioner Dudowitz. Ross could

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you explain why you

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only allow smooth and not give an alternative because in

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any architectural

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design you would want to sure duplicate something that's

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surrounding it and give

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the client an option what would look best. I can go back to

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that you know

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there is precedent with you know those these multiple types

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and you can see

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there's lap board and you know I understand the single kind

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of type stuff

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but I'm just thinking that maybe the Jim's point that you

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have an alternative

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from an aesthetic or architectural design standpoint not to

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restrict it just a

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flat board but if there is great and I've seen it you get

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up close to that you

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know to a great thing you think it's grain wood painted

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over you get up to a

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flat piece it looks like siding. Well there's been

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conflicting viewpoints

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on that within our within our team so some of the it's a

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wood grain would have

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looked good looked the other way it would have looked more

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of a you know

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less quality material versus a seamless material so I'm not

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sure how to go about

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that. Can you explain artificial effect similes and what

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those are?

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That would be kind of the same thing if there's any other

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new product for brick

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for stone but those would be the artificial facsimiles of

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the main

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material and those would be looked on a case-by-case basis

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if they're appropriate

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to be implemented either as a you know skirt around a

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building or something

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like that if they're not going to do river rock stone on

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things like that I

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mean you would have to do it for preservation purposes but

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for new

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construction we would look at new materials on a case-by-

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case basis. Stone

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face cinder block you know they have cinder blocks and they

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can put a

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artificial facade on the front side of that that qualify

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for it? I don't know with

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cinder block I mean I wouldn't say. Well no I'm saying you

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have real stone and

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then you have facsimile of stone it's because it has a

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facade on the front

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that looks like stone but in fact it's not. Jim may be able

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to help explain what I'm

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thinking about. Cultured stone. Cultured stone, cement

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stone that is porous.

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That would be artificial facsimiles. So that's the term

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that can be

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approved case-by-case. Correct.

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Understand your point. Thank you. Commissioner Taylor.

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Thank you

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Chair. Along the same lines it seems to me that would be

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more appropriate

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generally to have the wood grange product because it would

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more accurately

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recreate the historic wood siding. I also have some

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questions about other shapes. I

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don't know how many kind of craftsman style homes are in

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our historic

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districts but common in craftsman style homes were shingles

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even cement shingles

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and asbestos shingles which would have you know were common

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in the 20s 30s 40s

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and so it seems like it would be better to get rid of the

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asbestos and go to the

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hardy shingle for example but those aren't smooth either I

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believe. I believe

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they're also yeah they have the same kind of textures that

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would that be

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allowed in this because it the way I read it it looks like

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you can only have

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the straight board. We weren't proposing any kind of

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dimensional

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requirement for any of these products. Some historical

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perspective this item

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evolved out of our historic Commission. They are HLC

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Commission and they wanted

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to they had received several and you can see that in the

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backup material for your

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report several queries as to what materials they can and

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cannot use and

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these are one of them came up. Of course obviously some

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very relevant discussion

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is coming out of this conversation in this presentation and

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the Commission at

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the PNZ is more than welcome to recommend adding or

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including the hardy

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board smooth finish and wood grain. So that is an option.

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Now to talk about the

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other materials or what you've mentioned why wouldn't we

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upgrade and eliminate

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the for instance the asbestos issue related to homes that

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were built in the

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20s. If this was a existing home and they decided to tear

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it down and build it to

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that same character then we would as a facsimile or look at

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those other

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materials in that manner to determine the appropriateness

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of to comply with. But

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any new development that occurred on that site let's say

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they had the existing

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home with the existing materials and they chose and Ross

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correct me if I'm

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wrong and they chose to add a garage for example then

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deciding on that would not

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be the asbestos it would be asbestos free and we could see

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that it matches the

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character of that neighborhood or that single-family home.

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So I guess a follow-up

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question I don't I don't really know that much about the

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historic landmark or

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the historic preservation and the kind of activities of HLC

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. So to me to my

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unexperienced eye it seems like a good facsimile that's of

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a quality product

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that's going to last 50 or 100 years would be good enough.

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Is there a reason

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or should we ask HLC to give us input as to whether or not

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a facsimile product is

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is there a reason why we shouldn't allow facsimile products

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? I think the

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opportunity that the HLC wanted was to look at everything

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case by case in a CO

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COA for example to determine the appropriateness and the

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likeness and the

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historical perspective of that area as well. So I guess

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then what we're talking

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about would all fall into that facsimile clause that

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require a case-by-case

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basis. I see. Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. Following

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up with what you said, do they lose

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historical status if they do start changing certain

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materials is that part

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of the concern here? This is not yet. That would where

00:26:53.329 --> 00:26:54.759
preservation activities

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have to maintain original structure and form or indicate a

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break to the original

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structure so that new materials could be shown but I don't

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know the logistics of

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how that works. I'm not a historic preservation officer but

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again these are

00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.900
for new structures for garages things like that that people

00:27:15.900 --> 00:27:17.119
with historic

00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:20.859
buildings would want to include on their properties and to

00:27:20.859 --> 00:27:21.680
give you the

00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:29.160
background HLC has always promoted one-for-one materials to

00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:29.359
the

00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:33.680
secondary structures so it's become cost prohibitive it's

00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:34.480
called become kind of

00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:40.259
difficult to maintain a garage you know with you know four

00:27:40.259 --> 00:27:43.920
inch slat wood and

00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.799
kind of clad your whole building with that the durability

00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:47.359
of that the

00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:51.730
longevity of that when new materials could replicate it but

00:27:51.730 --> 00:27:53.960
yet be not would

00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:56.539
not diminish the historical nature of that structure

00:27:56.539 --> 00:27:57.680
because the original

00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:01.819
structure is the the item that that carries that weight.

00:28:01.819 --> 00:28:02.960
Well it seems to me

00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:07.519
if I may just add that the older these buildings get the

00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:09.200
availability of those

00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:12.910
original products seems to diminish and you're almost

00:28:12.910 --> 00:28:14.079
forced to look at

00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:20.119
substitute materials as long as it looks the same. There's

00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:21.279
different levels and I'm

00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:25.259
not versed in it but there's a level of and I may be listed

00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:26.359
it here there's

00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:32.140
restoration preservation there's a couple of other levels

00:28:32.140 --> 00:28:33.079
where you take

00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.509
the original material but we've got to kind of focus on

00:28:36.509 --> 00:28:37.880
just new materials and

00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:40.460
not you know. So this code amendment that's before you was

00:28:40.460 --> 00:28:41.359
specifically for

00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:46.400
new construction and the the issue was in terms of the

00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:47.240
definition in the

00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:49.579
ordinance this was a cleanup to the definition of the

00:28:49.579 --> 00:28:50.880
ordinance upon the

00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:55.380
upon discussion with HLC as well that we needed to refine

00:28:55.380 --> 00:28:57.119
the language to enable

00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:02.970
the ability to allow cementious fiber / hardy board as

00:29:02.970 --> 00:29:03.920
everybody likes to call

00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:07.900
it but your point as to you know should it only be a smooth

00:29:07.900 --> 00:29:09.240
finish versus a

00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.529
great wood grain pattern that is something worth

00:29:11.529 --> 00:29:12.480
considering and perhaps

00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.059
making that part of your recommendation. We can take that

00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:16.680
recommendation.

00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:21.000
Commissioner Rozelle. Thank you. In your question should it

00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:22.839
be limited to wood grain if

00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:27.190
that especially siding isn't wood grain at all? I would

00:29:27.190 --> 00:29:29.880
take you out any mention

00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:34.400
of that then and just say the use of cementitious siding is

00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:35.759
permitted and not

00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:40.859
kind of dictate pattern or form on that. Exactly. Make it a

00:29:40.859 --> 00:29:41.799
little more general.

00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:47.220
Yeah okay. Commissioner Taylor. One more clarifying

00:29:47.220 --> 00:29:51.839
question. Can does it need to

00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:55.279
match does the new building the new garage or accessory

00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:56.039
building need to

00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:59.200
match the main building? It needs to match in yeah. So

00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:00.359
there's that somewhere else in

00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.319
the ordinance? Correct. So we don't have to worry about.

00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:03.759
Yeah correct.

00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:09.930
Okay. And the COA process would enable that distinction. It

00:30:09.930 --> 00:30:12.599
would be reviewed.

00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:18.279
I have a couple slides left real quick. Just they our city

00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:19.519
staff worked with the

00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:27.079
HLC to and with the community to have staff to have

00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:28.160
community input for

00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:32.960
residents within the districts and we are looking at doing

00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:34.960
that again for City

00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.720
Council moving forward with your recommendation tonight but

00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:39.640
there has

00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:43.759
been some items done within October of last year to gain

00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:45.400
support and get input

00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:49.000
from the residents and so again kind of the background we

00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:50.359
are looking we're at

00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:58.359
the place where HLC did vote 8-0 in support but we can

00:30:58.359 --> 00:30:59.279
bring back

00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:04.420
your amendments to them or move forward with City Council

00:31:04.420 --> 00:31:05.319
with your

00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:10.359
amendments. Commissioner Dottovitz. Just to question that

00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:11.680
comment so we're going

00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:16.000
to be presented with this option tonight. Correct. We can

00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:17.400
amend it or suggest to be

00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:22.289
amended. Does it go and then go back to CHL? No. It just

00:31:22.289 --> 00:31:23.480
goes to City Council.

00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:28.759
HLC. HLC. Alphabet soup. The next step is to move on to

00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:29.720
City Council with your

00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:33.559
recommendation. You do have the option to postpone the item

00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:34.279
should you need more

00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:38.549
time. Just to keep your apprised we have scheduled a

00:31:38.549 --> 00:31:39.359
notification for the

00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:41.660
upcoming City Council meeting but your option is if you

00:31:41.660 --> 00:31:42.319
need more information

00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:46.660
we would choose to table the item that is your prerogative.

00:31:46.660 --> 00:31:49.279
Okay. I think from

00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:57.500
what I'm hearing is that this cementious siding leave it

00:31:57.500 --> 00:31:59.319
open-ended.

00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:04.240
Commissioner Rosell. Thank you Chair. I'm not sure if this

00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:05.200
question can be

00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:09.180
answered but there's different levels of historic design

00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:10.279
ations from the city,

00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:15.069
state, and federal designations of what is historic. That's

00:32:15.069 --> 00:32:17.599
is that on a building

00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:21.309
by building or is that the zone? What I'm wondering is any

00:32:21.309 --> 00:32:22.680
new construction is are

00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:27.250
we do we have to fall under any federal state historic

00:32:27.250 --> 00:32:29.160
designations or kind of

00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:34.730
new construction has some freedom? I'm not first on that.

00:32:34.730 --> 00:32:35.720
We can check with our

00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:40.299
Chelsea advisors on that. It would seem to be that there

00:32:40.299 --> 00:32:42.319
are those higher tier

00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:46.299
districts and this is a local these are three local

00:32:46.299 --> 00:32:47.640
districts which I've read

00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.759
the background on so whatever we're doing we're amending

00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:51.759
local districts with

00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:56.829
our standards. It's building by building. Building by

00:32:56.829 --> 00:32:57.839
building. But we do we have

00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:02.619
established specific districts within the city if you

00:33:02.619 --> 00:33:03.839
notice we have the okay

00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:07.519
create historic district you have the Bell Avenue historic

00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:08.200
conservation

00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:11.339
district and we also have a West Oak area which those

00:33:11.339 --> 00:33:12.599
designations that

00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:16.730
should you choose to follow that path you have the

00:33:16.730 --> 00:33:20.119
opportunity to. If I'm not

00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:25.279
mistaken. There's not gonna be any jeopardy to the primary

00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:26.480
structure if

00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:29.710
they have one of those state plaques on their wall by

00:33:29.710 --> 00:33:31.839
adding a new structure. New

00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:33.849
structure that's because that's to the building not to the

00:33:33.849 --> 00:33:34.839
property. It's not to

00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:38.680
the lot. It's to the building in most instances and that's

00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:40.119
what the C of A

00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:42.740
would establish you would have all that historical data

00:33:42.740 --> 00:33:43.779
with it to determine the

00:33:43.779 --> 00:33:46.779
appropriateness of even moving forward with in addition to

00:33:46.779 --> 00:33:47.640
that property or

00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:53.140
that development. Perfect. Thank you. Again this was new

00:33:53.140 --> 00:33:54.240
information to me I tried

00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:58.279
to cram and understand the concepts of what was going on to

00:33:58.279 --> 00:33:59.319
get it to where it

00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:06.079
is. Thank you.

00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:31.920
Just for anybody who may be waiting and listening and we

00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:32.960
have our final item

00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:39.900
that's D, DCA 16-001 in regards to tree preservation that

00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:40.719
that item has been

00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:45.590
continued to our March 23rd meeting so that will not be on

00:34:45.590 --> 00:34:47.880
our agenda tonight.

00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:53.500
That's going to cover our public hearing items. We have two

00:34:53.500 --> 00:34:54.880
other items in work

00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:59.739
session. I think what we're going to do is make a small

00:34:59.739 --> 00:35:01.880
change and here item B

00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:06.849
first which is going to be PZ 16-030 because I think they

00:35:06.849 --> 00:35:07.559
were here last

00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.989
time and missed completely so we'll make sure that you're

00:35:10.989 --> 00:35:12.480
able to get up and do

00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:17.239
your presentation and I think we'll take a short break to

00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:21.960
get food at 538.

00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:51.699
Okay welcome back it's 543 and we're going to call our work

00:35:51.699 --> 00:35:52.440
session back into

00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:57.170
order and we'll hear item B receive a report on DME's

00:35:57.170 --> 00:35:58.519
capital improvement plan.

00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:02.679
Thank you Chair Commission. This is an update on DME's CIP

00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:04.039
program and processes

00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.309
that we use in our CIP program. CIP's capital improvement

00:36:07.309 --> 00:36:09.059
program. I'd like to

00:36:09.059 --> 00:36:11.289
begin and give you just a couple brief facts about Denton

00:36:11.289 --> 00:36:12.199
Municipal Electric.

00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:16.760
We're an MOU that's what Mike Bill had shown up in his

00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:17.039
earlier

00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:20.730
presentation. We are the public electric company MOU. Some

00:36:20.730 --> 00:36:21.719
people call it public

00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:24.940
power as opposed to a private entity which would be an

00:36:24.940 --> 00:36:25.960
investor owned

00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:30.340
utility such as Encore or a cooperative like CoServe. DME

00:36:30.340 --> 00:36:31.239
is the electric

00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:33.969
department. We're owned and operated by the City of Denton

00:36:33.969 --> 00:36:34.840
so all the citizens

00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:38.269
of Denton do own us. Our peak electrical load is 350 meg

00:36:38.269 --> 00:36:41.639
awatts. We have over 50,000

00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:44.800
electric meters that we serve. Our overhead distribution

00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:45.440
lines and I'll

00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.739
show you some pictures of distribution we talked about

00:36:47.739 --> 00:36:50.519
earlier is 328 miles of

00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:54.039
overhead distribution. We have 426 miles of underground

00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:55.679
distribution. If you do

00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.360
that math that says that our distribution system is 57%

00:36:59.360 --> 00:36:59.880
underground

00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:02.920
here in the City of Denton.

00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:08.150
This is executive summary. It's a little bit of a

00:37:08.150 --> 00:37:10.800
presentation that we gave to the

00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:13.760
City Council in a work session on December the 8th. If you

00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:14.440
look at the

00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.170
chart on the right hand side this shows the electrical peak

00:37:17.170 --> 00:37:17.940
demand that we've

00:37:17.940 --> 00:37:20.820
had here in the City of Denton. It starts on the far left-

00:37:20.820 --> 00:37:22.440
hand side over here in

00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:27.880
1960 we had 26 megawatts worth of peak electrical load in

00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:28.679
the entire City of

00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:33.260
Denton combined. Forecast adapt to the year 2022 we're

00:37:33.260 --> 00:37:35.219
forecasting 436

00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:39.500
megawatts. Our peak load was 350 megawatts in August of

00:37:39.500 --> 00:37:40.599
2011 when we had

00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:43.760
the hot spell with so many consecutive days over 100

00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:45.119
degrees and so it goes up

00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.199
when it's hot it goes down a little bit when the summer

00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:49.440
loads are not as much

00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:51.610
but you have to have the infrastructure to handle it

00:37:51.610 --> 00:37:52.800
because we never know when

00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.690
it's going to be hotter when the citizens are going to be

00:37:54.690 --> 00:37:55.559
flipping all the light

00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.340
switches on. So we do have a problem here in the City of

00:37:58.340 --> 00:37:59.599
Denton. We have a growth

00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:03.730
and agent infrastructure problem. We have a responsibility

00:38:03.730 --> 00:38:04.960
to respond to

00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.780
resolve that problem with both as the electric provider

00:38:07.780 --> 00:38:08.719
here in the City of

00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:11.699
Denton and also a regulatory responsibility. There are some

00:38:11.699 --> 00:38:12.199
words that

00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.880
have been passed around at the federal level Department of

00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.440
Energy. There's FERC,

00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.750
the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. They have NERC,

00:38:19.750 --> 00:38:20.699
the North American

00:38:20.699 --> 00:38:23.340
Electric Reliability Corporation that has guidelines that

00:38:23.340 --> 00:38:24.119
we have to follow.

00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:27.710
There's NERC compliance requirements that we have to submit

00:38:27.710 --> 00:38:28.679
. There's a report

00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:33.079
called a FERC 715 report that every year we have to analyze

00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:33.719
our entire

00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:38.079
transmission system. That means you mathematically model

00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:38.519
your entire

00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:41.219
electrical system and then you check to see under peak

00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:42.519
loading conditions how

00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.369
are you looking? What parts of your system or segments

00:38:45.369 --> 00:38:46.480
might be overloaded?

00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:50.159
Are you going to have any issues with that load? Then you

00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:50.559
start doing

00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.619
contingencies. You take each segment or each piece of that

00:38:53.619 --> 00:38:54.760
electrical system out

00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:57.269
of service such as if you had to switch it out for

00:38:57.269 --> 00:39:00.079
maintenance or if maybe a

00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.909
piece of equipment failed. You look at that for every

00:39:02.909 --> 00:39:04.360
single piece of equipment.

00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:06.630
That's one contingency. Then you start doing multiple

00:39:06.630 --> 00:39:07.639
contingencies where you

00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.500
look at that piece and another piece out. And there's a

00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:11.719
whole host of guidelines

00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:15.989
that we have to follow for the FERC 715 report. We have a

00:39:15.989 --> 00:39:17.079
public involvement

00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:20.050
process for our CFP program to resolve these issues that we

00:39:20.050 --> 00:39:20.800
discover in the

00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:24.300
FERC 715 report. And the public involvement process

00:39:24.300 --> 00:39:25.440
encourages citizen

00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:27.679
input. Brian Dascombe is going to come up in a little bit

00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:28.760
to talk about the public

00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.909
involvement process. We do consider all practical

00:39:31.909 --> 00:39:33.400
suggestions that we receive

00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:35.840
from the citizens and we desire to move forward with the

00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:37.000
most sensible approach

00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:40.530
that has the least impact and it has the most support. So

00:39:40.530 --> 00:39:41.920
our CFP program does

00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:44.699
address the two key factors here in Denton, system growth

00:39:44.699 --> 00:39:45.239
and agent

00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:49.510
infrastructure. Here is a system substation map. I noticed

00:39:49.510 --> 00:39:50.079
in your backup

00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:53.079
you had a copy of this. Let me kind of point this out. This

00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:54.119
is a more recent one.

00:39:54.119 --> 00:40:00.920
The green loop around Denton here. This is I-35 East and 35

00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:02.000
W comes here. So this

00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:06.320
is the main core of Denton. This is our 69 kV transmission

00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:08.039
line that's 69,000

00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:12.469
volts. That is what is targeted during this FERC 715 study

00:40:12.469 --> 00:40:14.760
to be upgraded to 138 kV

00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:19.519
or 138,000 volts. The reason we would want to do that is we

00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:20.400
do need more power

00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:24.519
requirements and there's a mathematical calculation that

00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:25.880
takes the power equals

00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:28.519
your voltage times your current in very simplistic terms.

00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:29.559
So if you keep the same

00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:31.650
current flowing through the conductors and you double your

00:40:31.650 --> 00:40:32.280
voltage you get

00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:35.039
double the power that you can ship around the system. So

00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:37.000
the red line is the

00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:40.679
138 kV system that is owned by Texas Municipal Power

00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:42.239
Authority. Denton is one

00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:45.210
of the sister cities, a TMPA, Texas Municipal Power

00:40:45.210 --> 00:40:46.519
Authority and the yellow

00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:51.099
dots are the substations across the town. This is a

00:40:51.099 --> 00:40:53.000
photograph on the left-hand

00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.750
side, just a portion of our system operations center. This

00:40:56.750 --> 00:40:57.519
is a 24/7

00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.099
operation that we man here in the city of Denton. It's

00:41:00.099 --> 00:41:02.119
located at 1685 Spencer

00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:05.059
Drive. If you have not had an opportunity to come out and

00:41:05.059 --> 00:41:06.320
visit that we'd love to

00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:08.449
set up a time with you personally, schedule a time and

00:41:08.449 --> 00:41:09.440
answer any questions

00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:14.159
that you may have. We're very proud of this. It has all of

00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:15.099
our substations are

00:41:15.099 --> 00:41:18.659
tied back into this one site across town in this one

00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:21.039
central location through

00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:24.320
over on the right-hand side. This is a picture inside of a

00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:25.800
switchgear facility

00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:28.809
at one of our substations. Each substation has a facility

00:41:28.809 --> 00:41:29.440
similar to

00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:33.119
this. These are microprocessor relays or solid state relays

00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.920
. This just happens to

00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.519
be a brand called Swatz or SEL. They send me one of the

00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:39.659
leaders in the

00:41:39.659 --> 00:41:43.639
industry and from these these all feed into remote terminal

00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:44.880
unit or RTU and

00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.599
that RTU goes through our SCADA system supervisory control

00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:48.920
and data

00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:52.900
acquisition back to the system operations center. So we can

00:41:52.900 --> 00:41:53.400
look at

00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.059
telemetry. We know how much current, how much voltage is at

00:41:56.059 --> 00:41:56.960
each substation on

00:41:56.960 --> 00:42:00.710
each piece of the electrical bus in the substation. We can

00:42:00.710 --> 00:42:02.400
check the status of

00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:05.000
breakers. Are they opened or closed? We can actually have

00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:05.880
control where we can

00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.969
open and close those remotely from this facility. These

00:42:08.969 --> 00:42:10.840
operators that are men in

00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:13.559
the desk, they're NERC certified. They have to go through a

00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:14.639
rigorous set of

00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.760
testing to where they can work with the state of Texas

00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:19.260
electrical grid which the

00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:24.190
transmission system is part of the state grid. Here's a

00:42:24.190 --> 00:42:26.159
picture of a substation.

00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:29.500
These are unmanned facilities. Those are those yellow dots

00:42:29.500 --> 00:42:30.559
that I showed you on

00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:33.559
the schematic. The one on the left is a picture of the

00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:34.860
Bonnie Bray substation.

00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:38.699
Bonnie Bray south of 380. The picture on the right is our

00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:40.199
Cooper Creek substation

00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:47.449
at Audre and East Loop 288. One of the things that we do

00:42:47.449 --> 00:42:48.719
when we begin to try

00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:52.190
to pick either new sites or how do we renovate existing

00:42:52.190 --> 00:42:53.440
sites to allow for

00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.400
growth is this is at Giesling and Black Road on the

00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:58.000
northeast side of Denton.

00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.599
These are some drawings that have been put together by

00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:01.880
power engineers, one of

00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:05.590
our engineering consultants. This is the existing site that

00:43:05.590 --> 00:43:07.079
's here. It's kind of

00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.630
unique that this substation actually has three transmission

00:43:10.630 --> 00:43:11.880
lines that come into

00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:15.650
it right now and will eventually have four. Encore, TXU,

00:43:15.650 --> 00:43:17.119
they come in from the

00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:20.840
northeast side of town. We have TMPA line that goes up

00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:22.360
through here and then we

00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.440
have a line that feeds our Cooper Creek, McKinney, and

00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:27.480
industrial substations over

00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:30.389
in here. So there's three lines that come into this. Most

00:43:30.389 --> 00:43:31.679
of our substations have

00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:35.010
two lines, one line in one line out. So when you have a

00:43:35.010 --> 00:43:36.199
node or an intersection,

00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:40.179
we have multiple lines come together, it's really hard to

00:43:40.179 --> 00:43:40.400
move the

00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:43.559
substation to a much different location unless you move all

00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:44.360
the lines that are

00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:46.940
with it. Think of a pencil with rubber bands and you can

00:43:46.940 --> 00:43:48.079
move that, but all the

00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:51.679
rubber bands have to move with that movement of the site.

00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:53.239
This is an artist

00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:56.139
rendition of what this substation will look like when it's

00:43:56.139 --> 00:43:57.079
complete and it's

00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:02.460
taken from this KOP key observation point in this direction

00:44:02.460 --> 00:44:06.239
. Back to the point

00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:09.039
of what is a distribution line, this is the lines that

00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:10.400
distribute the power to

00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:13.090
their citizens, to their homes, and it steps down on a

00:44:13.090 --> 00:44:14.239
transformer to get it

00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.480
down to 120 to 240 volts so it can go into the house and

00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:18.440
supply the customer's

00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:21.420
needs on the right-hand side. So they're the typically 40-

00:44:21.420 --> 00:44:22.760
45 foot poles that go

00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.340
down up and down every street, those are distribution

00:44:25.340 --> 00:44:27.719
system. It's 13,200

00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:33.239
volts phase to phase grounded Y or 7,620 volts phase to

00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:34.079
ground on the

00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.949
distribution system. This picture in the middle is what we

00:44:36.949 --> 00:44:37.719
've actually been

00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.219
constructing with our transmission process. This is one of

00:44:40.219 --> 00:44:40.920
the newest ones

00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:44.000
we completed over on Paisley Drive. You can see the

00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:45.519
transmission system at the

00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.329
top and then we have distribution system underneath it. And

00:44:49.329 --> 00:44:51.320
so it's a very clean

00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.940
look as compared to some of them like down Bonnie Brave

00:44:53.940 --> 00:44:54.980
where we had old wood

00:44:54.980 --> 00:44:57.659
poles and we topped them and things like that. So we're

00:44:57.659 --> 00:44:58.639
trying to consider

00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.679
aesthetics and all of designs and how do we have it look in

00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:03.880
the end.

00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:08.280
Well one of the things that we've come into is how do we

00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:10.119
modify and upgrade our

00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:13.869
electrical system and still keep the lights on and in. This

00:45:13.869 --> 00:45:14.440
is a pretty big

00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:17.719
task. Well we got to keep the vehicle moving forward.

00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:18.840
Sometimes you have a flat

00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:20.929
and you have to change the flat which is kind of what we're

00:45:20.929 --> 00:45:22.199
doing. So you have to

00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.880
kind of get innovative. You just kind of rock that car up

00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:26.000
on two wheels and you

00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.059
get some guys out you change the tire and you try to keep

00:45:28.059 --> 00:45:28.840
on moving down the

00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:34.039
road and that's what we're attempting to do. So how do we

00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:34.320
do this?

00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.559
Well we've never done this before. Quite like this with

00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:39.079
this large of a

00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:41.989
program. So we enlisted some help. Freezin Nichols is an

00:45:41.989 --> 00:45:43.280
engineering consultant

00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.989
that we brought on board to help us manage these projects

00:45:46.989 --> 00:45:48.199
and help manage the

00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:52.789
program. Once they came on board the end of year 2013 we

00:45:52.789 --> 00:45:53.800
spent several months

00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.780
talking to them, talking to other folks within DME and

00:45:57.780 --> 00:45:59.000
other seated apartments.

00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.920
How do we do these projects from start to finish and do

00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:03.239
multiple projects at a

00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:06.219
time? We're really good at building one or two substations

00:46:06.219 --> 00:46:06.920
every two or three

00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:08.969
years is what we used to do. Now we're trying to build

00:46:08.969 --> 00:46:10.639
three to five every year

00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:14.070
or two so we can meet these electrical needs that the first

00:46:14.070 --> 00:46:15.480
graph showed. So we

00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.449
we did some flow charts and process some swim lane diagrams

00:46:19.449 --> 00:46:20.519
. We came up with about

00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.739
21 different processes that we have to go through and I'll

00:46:23.739 --> 00:46:24.760
show you just a few

00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:29.039
of those real quick. And they mainly worked around site and

00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:29.760
route selection,

00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.710
land acquisition, permitting, design criteria and

00:46:32.710 --> 00:46:34.360
construction methods as far

00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:38.340
as how do we build these projects and complete the program.

00:46:38.340 --> 00:46:39.800
This is very hard

00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.719
to see but there's a lot of steps involved. This is one of

00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:43.800
those 21 steps

00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:47.480
that we go through. This is just to pick a site or route.

00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:48.679
How do we do this? We

00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:52.179
have different players such as Tignall and Perkins, one of

00:46:52.179 --> 00:46:53.079
our consultants we

00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:56.739
use, Power Engineers that does this across the country, DME

00:46:56.739 --> 00:46:57.980
, Freezin Nichols

00:46:57.980 --> 00:47:00.190
working with the right-of-way department, our public

00:47:00.190 --> 00:47:01.280
utility board and our city

00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:04.289
council. So there's six players here and as you go from

00:47:04.289 --> 00:47:05.559
left to right you kind of

00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:08.409
look at each task that has to happen and maybe multiple

00:47:08.409 --> 00:47:09.679
players or parties are

00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:13.530
involved in each task. Every time you go from one swim lane

00:47:13.530 --> 00:47:14.400
to another you have

00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.670
to hand it off to somebody and you expect a review or some

00:47:17.670 --> 00:47:18.679
type of comment

00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:21.469
to come back to you or maybe you work hand-in-hand with

00:47:21.469 --> 00:47:22.440
them to accomplish

00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:26.210
this task. So once we get around to get into an open house

00:47:26.210 --> 00:47:27.280
where we actually

00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.519
meet with the citizens, talk about things that we need to

00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:31.719
do, we've had a whole

00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.920
host of people involved all the way through city council

00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:36.000
before we even have

00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.869
the first open house to say this project's needed. We need

00:47:38.869 --> 00:47:39.480
to get this

00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:41.639
built. How do we do this? Here's some options. Here's some

00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:42.480
things we came up.

00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.619
Let's take these in front of the community. Let's hear

00:47:45.619 --> 00:47:46.780
their input. Let's

00:47:46.780 --> 00:47:49.280
take the good suggestions that we hear back from them. Let

00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:50.639
's see what ones seem

00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:54.409
reasonable and that we can accommodate and come back forth

00:47:54.409 --> 00:47:56.039
with an ultimate

00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:59.349
selection of where we get a site selected. And so this

00:47:59.349 --> 00:48:00.440
particular one has

00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:04.710
49 separate tasks just to help pick a site. So it gets over

00:48:04.710 --> 00:48:05.519
on the right hand

00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:08.340
side then it comes back over to the left hand side and goes

00:48:08.340 --> 00:48:09.320
over to the end. And

00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:13.079
so there's a lot of tasks involved to help even pick the

00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:13.760
site. Once

00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:16.760
the site's picked, an ordinance is written that that's the

00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:17.760
site that's picked, we

00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:21.469
then go in and try to acquire that site. We try to buy the

00:48:21.469 --> 00:48:22.719
land, work with the

00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:26.860
landowners. This piece has about 30 separate tasks that are

00:48:26.860 --> 00:48:27.400
involved.

00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:30.400
Sometimes you have willing landowners, sometimes you don't.

00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:32.119
In the end, if you

00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:36.090
can't come to agreeable terms and conditions, then you may

00:48:36.090 --> 00:48:37.119
end up having to

00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:40.400
go through an eminent domain process. Luckily, we've only

00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:41.320
had to file a few

00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:44.500
eminent domain cases. We went to special commissioners here

00:48:44.500 --> 00:48:46.559
in one time. We got an

00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:49.320
award, but we've never had to go through the whole process

00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:50.920
at all. And so we I

00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:53.519
think when people really realize that the relocation

00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:54.719
packages and some of the

00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:59.719
things, they're very, very generous. It can be a good thing

00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:01.000
. They're

00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.599
like, "What? We didn't know that." And so that's the land

00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:05.320
acquisition process. After

00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:08.400
that, we end up and we have to go ahead and plait the land

00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:09.159
that we've bought.

00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.659
This is just a preliminary process to plait the land. This

00:49:11.659 --> 00:49:13.360
one has 13 tasks. It

00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:16.449
does involve the planning department, DRC comments. We

00:49:16.449 --> 00:49:17.519
comply with the DRC

00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:20.420
comments and we come back and of course that comes back to

00:49:20.420 --> 00:49:21.480
P&Z for some reviews

00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:25.650
and approvals. And the SUP process, which we're talking

00:49:25.650 --> 00:49:27.480
about trying to improve and

00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:30.380
maybe move some of this up earlier in the process that Mike

00:49:30.380 --> 00:49:31.079
Bell mentioned

00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:34.320
earlier, I think this is really a good thing to consider

00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:34.960
because it gets

00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:37.739
to hear what the citizens have to say about the site, how's

00:49:37.739 --> 00:49:38.519
it going to look,

00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:41.599
and they hear those questions before we ever pick the site,

00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:42.480
before we ever buy

00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:44.989
the site, before we ever plait the site, before we then

00:49:44.989 --> 00:49:46.079
could come see you as we

00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:48.719
do now. So I think there's some real opportunities to

00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:50.920
improve that process.

00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:54.349
Power engineers helped us with some site evaluation

00:49:54.349 --> 00:49:56.000
criteria. Some of the things

00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:59.179
we looked at were engineering considerations, aesthetics,

00:49:59.179 --> 00:49:59.639
land use,

00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.599
ecology, and cultural resources and there's many items

00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:03.519
under each one of

00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:07.500
these subcategories. With that, I'd like to ask Brian Das

00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:08.360
combe, he's our

00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.489
external affairs manager, come up talk about some of our

00:50:11.489 --> 00:50:12.719
site selection and

00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:16.369
public involvement process and I'll come back up and

00:50:16.369 --> 00:50:18.800
conclude this. Thank you,

00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:21.559
Brent. Good afternoon, Commissioners. As Brent mentioned, I

00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:22.440
'm going to quickly go

00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:25.369
through our public involvement process and I'll try to do

00:50:25.369 --> 00:50:26.599
that quickly. Please

00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:29.760
ask any questions that you have. So here it is real simply,

00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:31.039
deceptively simply,

00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:34.190
these are the steps we go through. So we start with an open

00:50:34.190 --> 00:50:35.159
house and then move

00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:37.190
on to a hearing with the Public Utilities Board and then

00:50:37.190 --> 00:50:37.739
with the City

00:50:37.739 --> 00:50:40.369
Council. Now you're, I'm sure, very familiar with public

00:50:40.369 --> 00:50:41.079
hearings and how

00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:44.199
those go. I know that you conduct those on a regular basis.

00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:45.119
That open house

00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:48.420
though, if you haven't been to those, those are meetings

00:50:48.420 --> 00:50:49.599
that we have with the

00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:52.340
community. They're informal in the sense that there's no

00:50:52.340 --> 00:50:53.280
central presentation.

00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:56.539
Instead we have about a dozen exhibits set up and the

00:50:56.539 --> 00:50:58.039
public's invited in to

00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:00.860
come check those out and say what's the impact going to be

00:51:00.860 --> 00:51:01.880
on my property, what's

00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:04.989
the impact going to be on my neighborhood, and try to get

00:51:04.989 --> 00:51:05.159
an

00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:07.800
understanding of how that works. And so some of those

00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:09.119
exhibits that Brent showed

00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:13.389
you earlier, for instance, an artist rendering of what the

00:51:13.389 --> 00:51:13.920
substation is

00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:16.360
going to look like, a map, an aerial map that shows where

00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:17.559
it is. We found that

00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:19.639
that allows people to come in and talk to us one-on-one.

00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:20.800
They don't have to get

00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:22.929
up and stand in front of a group of people and try to

00:51:22.929 --> 00:51:23.639
present their

00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:25.980
question or something like that. So those are helpful. So

00:51:25.980 --> 00:51:27.280
we have that open house.

00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:29.579
That's followed by a hearing with the Public Utilities

00:51:29.579 --> 00:51:30.719
Board. Hey then they can

00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:32.650
get up and make a statement in front of everybody if they

00:51:32.650 --> 00:51:33.960
want to, right? So we've

00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:36.000
had it informally, we've had it formally at the public

00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:37.400
hearing with the PUB, and

00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.909
those tend to be in the morning, the Public Utilities Board

00:51:39.909 --> 00:51:40.400
meets in the

00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:42.400
morning, and then an evening meeting with the council for

00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:43.239
another public hearing.

00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:47.280
So we have formal and informal, we have a couple of evening

00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:49.119
meetings and that

00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:53.099
one morning meeting. I said this was deceptively simple,

00:51:53.099 --> 00:51:53.840
and one of the

00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:56.150
reasons is that at any point in this process we can get

00:51:56.150 --> 00:51:57.039
kicked back to the

00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:58.860
beginning of the process, and I really think that's a good

00:51:58.860 --> 00:51:59.639
thing. As much as it

00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:01.889
can slow things down, sometimes things need to be slowed

00:52:01.889 --> 00:52:03.019
down. For instance, we

00:52:03.019 --> 00:52:05.530
could have the open house, we present five different

00:52:05.530 --> 00:52:06.719
options, let's say, and

00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.619
the public says I don't like any of your options because

00:52:09.619 --> 00:52:10.840
you should have picked a

00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:13.110
sixth option, you should have showed us a sixth option, and

00:52:13.110 --> 00:52:13.960
a lot of times we'll

00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.320
look at that and say you're right, that is a good option.

00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:17.719
However, it includes a

00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:19.980
new group of people, so we're gonna have another open house

00:52:19.980 --> 00:52:20.760
and we'll start the

00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:24.280
process over. There have been a number of instances where

00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:25.280
just that has happened,

00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:27.460
and that can happen anywhere along the way. We can get

00:52:27.460 --> 00:52:28.239
kicked back to the

00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:32.619
beginning. So that's the general process. To notify people

00:52:32.619 --> 00:52:33.780
for those open houses,

00:52:33.780 --> 00:52:38.219
as well as the public hearings, we send out mailed letters

00:52:38.219 --> 00:52:39.119
and we put a

00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:42.289
notification in the dinner record chronicle, we do on-site

00:52:42.289 --> 00:52:43.239
signage, and we

00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.760
create a web page for each of the projects so that people

00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:46.400
can get more

00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:49.679
information. Now those mailed letters are similar to what

00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:50.880
the planning department

00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:53.929
does. The dissimilarity is that they send out a 200-foot

00:52:53.929 --> 00:52:55.039
legal notice and those are

00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:58.050
certified mail. None of these are legal notices for us, it

00:52:58.050 --> 00:52:58.480
's just our

00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:01.809
process, and so ours we send out to the 500-foot courtesy

00:53:01.809 --> 00:53:02.840
area and those are all

00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:05.389
just standard mail. So that's currently our process. I also

00:53:05.389 --> 00:53:06.000
want to say on

00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:09.039
on-site signage, I want to make sure that I communicate

00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:10.239
those. We try to do

00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.880
on-site signage, but if we don't own the property, there

00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:14.400
may be no opportunity for

00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.449
us to do that, and so we do our best to do on-site signage

00:53:16.449 --> 00:53:17.599
and sometimes it's

00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:22.849
practical and sometimes it isn't. So here's what somebody

00:53:22.849 --> 00:53:24.000
could get in the

00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:26.400
mail. They would have a narrative along with this. There's

00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:27.000
some typed out

00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.639
information, but they would have a map. This is a subst

00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:31.000
ation map for our Locus

00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:33.719
substation that we did, and we said, okay, here's these

00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:36.440
five different options and

00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:38.989
instead of numbering them, we use colors just because we

00:53:38.989 --> 00:53:40.000
don't indicate that

00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:42.579
there's a preference. We don't know it seemed to be a rank,

00:53:42.579 --> 00:53:43.559
but we are saying,

00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:47.090
okay, there's five different options that we're looking at.

00:53:47.090 --> 00:53:47.519
You can see the

00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:50.800
existing site and then we're going to draw, and somebody

00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:51.639
knows more about

00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:56.639
geometry can tell me, but it's a buffer of 500 foot around

00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:56.639
these, around

00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:58.869
each polygon, and so those are overlapping somewhat. I don

00:53:58.869 --> 00:53:59.199
't know if

00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.630
that's a radius or a, I call it a buffer. I feel safe

00:54:01.630 --> 00:54:03.679
calling it a buffer. All

00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:06.519
right, does anyone know, is anyone going to correct me? All

00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:08.360
right, it's strange how

00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:10.449
we started talking about geometry there in the middle of my

00:54:10.449 --> 00:54:11.400
presentation, wasn't it?

00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:15.199
Sorry. Okay, so there they can see, here's the sites that

00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:15.440
are being

00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:18.769
considered, and a lot of times somebody can look at this

00:54:18.769 --> 00:54:20.039
and say, do I care to

00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:21.739
show up for this meeting? If it's some, if they're, you

00:54:21.739 --> 00:54:22.679
know, if they're thinking

00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.280
about putting a substation on the courthouse lawn, buddy, I

00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:25.880
'm coming to the

00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:28.480
meeting and let them know what I think. You might wonder

00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:29.719
where we got the 500

00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.320
foot notification. That was through two different sources.

00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:33.000
We talked to the

00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:35.039
planning department and they said the furthest we ever go

00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:36.480
out is 500 feet, but

00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.059
we also talked to Power Engineers, which is an engineering

00:54:39.059 --> 00:54:40.480
consulting firm that

00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:43.280
does public involvement across the country for electric

00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:44.360
projects, and they

00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:47.320
said the furthest we've ever seen anyone go out is 500 feet

00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:48.280
. So for projects that

00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:50.900
are bigger than anything the Denton's ever going to do, 500

00:54:50.900 --> 00:54:51.639
feet is the furthest

00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:53.860
we've ever gone out, and we said, okay, we're going to hit

00:54:53.860 --> 00:54:54.800
the maximum for both our

00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:58.400
planning department and for what this consulting firm has

00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:01.960
seen. So citizens

00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:07.519
that are included on a project, they have the opportunity

00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:09.079
to influence us

00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:11.900
and the final decision makers through web comment forms. We

00:55:11.900 --> 00:55:13.199
put surveys on those

00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:15.800
web pages I mentioned. They can talk to us one-on-one in

00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:17.320
the open house and

00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:20.750
get information, but also give information there, and they

00:55:20.750 --> 00:55:21.440
have a

00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:23.800
hearing both with the PB and with the City Council. So

00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:26.440
those are their opportunities for input.

00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:30.420
So that's all I have on public involvement. Are there any

00:55:30.420 --> 00:55:30.920
specific

00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:34.440
questions that I can answer? All right. Oh, yes, sir.

00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:39.159
Commissioner Beck. Thank you. Signage. Yes, sir. You get a

00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:43.519
lot of complaints on the size of the signs. How big are the

00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:44.440
signs?

00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:49.719
Are they your typical yard signs? So those are, I think

00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:54.440
those are 24 by 36. Okay.

00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:59.900
Commissioner Hatchbuth. Thank you, Chair. Following kind of

00:55:59.900 --> 00:56:03.269
that same thought, the green card, you sent out certified

00:56:03.269 --> 00:56:05.440
mail? Is that what you said?

00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.099
No, sir. Just regular mail? That's right, because it's all

00:56:07.099 --> 00:56:10.440
courtesy mail, so it's non-certified. Okay.

00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:13.090
Is there, so there's, but there's a spreadsheet or

00:56:13.090 --> 00:56:16.440
something, some sort of distribution list of some sort?

00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:17.440
Absolutely.

00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:20.670
And we send those out to, and I appreciate the opportunity

00:56:20.670 --> 00:56:23.320
to clarify, we send that out to any resident within the 500

00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:24.440
feet and also any landowner.

00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:27.289
So if you're a renter, you get it. If you're a landlord,

00:56:27.289 --> 00:56:29.170
but who doesn't live there, then you're going to get it as

00:56:29.170 --> 00:56:29.440
well.

00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:33.849
And then is that list subsequently posted or is that, I don

00:56:33.849 --> 00:56:37.440
't know if you can. I don't know what the rules are.

00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.769
But here's, along with Larry, I think most often I hear

00:56:40.769 --> 00:56:43.880
complaints about, well I didn't get it. I was never

00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:44.440
notified.

00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:49.170
Yeah. Yes. And so I think it would maybe be in my mind just

00:56:49.170 --> 00:56:52.440
, hey, we sent it and here's a spreadsheet that's posted,

00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:54.440
you know, that people can check periodically.

00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:58.940
I don't know what rules kind of govern that, but I just, I

00:56:58.940 --> 00:57:04.440
hear that a lot. Okay. That I didn't know.

00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:07.409
And one thing we've batted around is the idea of including

00:57:07.409 --> 00:57:09.889
that in the backup to the city council and the public

00:57:09.889 --> 00:57:13.980
utilities board so that it's technically a public document

00:57:13.980 --> 00:57:15.440
and people can find it if they need to.

00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:17.800
But we're not, you know, we're not putting people's public,

00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:20.260
even though it is public information, we want to respect

00:57:20.260 --> 00:57:21.440
their privacy as well.

00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:24.320
And so perhaps that's a good middle way to do it. I think

00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:27.440
that's a good concern.

00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:34.440
All right. Thank you, Ryan. Appreciate that.

00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:38.570
This is our entire CIP program. This is a Gantt chart. On

00:57:38.570 --> 00:57:42.260
the left hand side, there's over 2000 separate line items

00:57:42.260 --> 00:57:45.440
that we have to accomplish to do each of these projects.

00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:49.519
We've rolled those up into these individual projects, and

00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:53.250
it has a timeline across the top. The blue line is, it

00:57:53.250 --> 00:57:56.989
shows where we at in all of the projects that we have to do

00:57:56.989 --> 00:57:57.440
.

00:57:57.440 --> 00:57:59.559
I think kind of an interesting thing to note is there's

00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:02.179
some of the projects that we've completed, some that we're

00:58:02.179 --> 00:58:03.440
in the middle of doing.

00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.199
And of course, there's others wrote that have rolled off

00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:09.000
the top that just because you can't read it, we close those

00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:09.440
up.

00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:12.579
Don't show them on this chart. And there's some projects

00:58:12.579 --> 00:58:14.440
here that we have yet to do in the future.

00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:17.599
I think this next chart is a little bit easier to read. It

00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:20.659
's the same type of chart, but we broke each of those

00:58:20.659 --> 00:58:23.440
horizontal lines into four different categories.

00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:26.440
We broke them into route and site selection, land and eas

00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:29.440
ement acquisition, permitting and construction.

00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:32.449
So at a glance, you can look at a project and see what

00:58:32.449 --> 00:58:34.440
phase of that project is it in.

00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:37.440
So these are some that we've completed construction on.

00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.469
These are some that are either beginning or in the middle

00:58:39.469 --> 00:58:40.440
of the construction.

00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:45.440
And these are some that the construction has not begun yet.

00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:48.440
We do hold project meetings for all of these projects and

00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:52.769
for the entire program every single Thursday at 1685

00:58:52.769 --> 00:58:55.210
Spencer at the DME Operation Engineering and Operations

00:58:55.210 --> 00:58:55.440
Center.

00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:59.570
We meet. There's about a dozen DME staff, engineering

00:58:59.570 --> 00:59:03.659
consultants, some legal consultants, other city of Denton

00:59:03.659 --> 00:59:07.440
departments such as legal, right away, purchasing.

00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:09.800
We all get together to talk about each and every one of the

00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:12.639
projects. And we have a sheet where are we at on this

00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:13.440
project?

00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:16.170
What have we done? What do we have yet to do? Is there any

00:59:16.170 --> 00:59:19.659
roadblocks or any things that we need to maybe reallocate

00:59:19.659 --> 00:59:24.440
resources so we can try to keep the project moving forward?

00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:28.710
And so we do that every single Thursday. It becomes rather

00:59:28.710 --> 00:59:32.039
lengthy. We start at 930. It seems like it rarely gets over

00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:33.440
before 130 or two.

00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:38.119
And so it's very in depth every single week on these

00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:39.440
projects.

00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:42.440
This is a different way of looking at some of the projects.

00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:45.579
We did the open house here, the route site selection, land

00:59:45.579 --> 00:59:48.440
acquisition, permitting and completion date.

00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:52.420
The green items have already been completed. The blue items

00:59:52.420 --> 00:59:56.599
are in process. So we have many different ways to help

00:59:56.599 --> 01:00:01.440
manage this large CIP program and all these projects.

01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:04.969
I think that this little animated chart will kind of show

01:00:04.969 --> 01:00:08.179
you how much progress that we've made in just a short

01:00:08.179 --> 01:00:09.440
amount of time.

01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:13.539
This was in 2013. We'd already began some of these projects

01:00:13.539 --> 01:00:15.440
before Freeze and Nichols came on.

01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:18.750
After they came on, we came up with the swim lanes, the

01:00:18.750 --> 01:00:20.440
process flow diagrams.

01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:23.659
At the end of that year, I'm going to hit this next mouse

01:00:23.659 --> 01:00:27.119
click and you can actually see how different projects have

01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:29.440
moved from category to category.

01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:41.440
And here we go.

01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:44.880
So that's what we did in the year 2013 to 2014 on the

01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:47.440
entire CIP program and some of these projects.

01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:51.849
This next slide will start off where the last one just left

01:00:51.849 --> 01:00:54.869
off. And this is what we showed council on December the 8th

01:00:54.869 --> 01:00:55.440
as well.

01:00:55.440 --> 01:01:09.099
We do this past year from 2014 to 2015. And here's this

01:01:09.099 --> 01:01:16.440
mouse click.

01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.869
If you stop and kind of reflect on all of those process

01:01:19.869 --> 01:01:24.230
swim lanes, those 20 different processes, I just showed you

01:01:24.230 --> 01:01:26.190
four of them. You think of all the tasks that have to

01:01:26.190 --> 01:01:26.440
happen.

01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:30.710
We're very, very busy. We really want to get these projects

01:01:30.710 --> 01:01:33.619
out in front of the public. We want to get their input. We

01:01:33.619 --> 01:01:36.440
want to consider their comments.

01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:39.219
And then we want to comply with all the DRC comments that

01:01:39.219 --> 01:01:41.440
we get back from them and get them built.

01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:45.150
So with that, I'd be happy, Brian, I'd be happy to answer

01:01:45.150 --> 01:01:48.829
any questions that you might have about the electric side

01:01:48.829 --> 01:01:51.440
of things on any of our CIP projects.

01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:54.440
Commissioner Taylor. Thank you, Chair.

01:01:54.440 --> 01:02:00.880
I just have a couple of questions on that very first map,

01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:04.440
the very first system diagram.

01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:07.250
And kind of the very first slide and the very last slide

01:02:07.250 --> 01:02:10.500
kind of tying together. So basically there are stations and

01:02:10.500 --> 01:02:11.440
there are lines.

01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:14.289
And you said everything green is being updated and

01:02:14.289 --> 01:02:17.440
everything yellow, basically. Is that correct?

01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:22.309
All of the light colored green lines is our existing 69,000

01:02:22.309 --> 01:02:26.440
volt system. And that is all being converted to 138 kV.

01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:30.170
And then every basically every yellow dot that touches the

01:02:30.170 --> 01:02:33.440
green line, is that those are the substations?

01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:35.440
These are the substations if they have a number on them.

01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:39.659
These are the projects that we have approved CIP budget

01:02:39.659 --> 01:02:41.440
funds for to implement.

01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:44.389
And we look at a five year program when the Public Utility

01:02:44.389 --> 01:02:47.440
Board and City Council reviews our budget each year.

01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:49.949
And so as you get closer into the five year program, you

01:02:49.949 --> 01:02:52.579
know of some new things that you didn't really realize the

01:02:52.579 --> 01:02:53.440
first part.

01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:56.440
And so that's kind of a constantly evolving process.

01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.400
But these are the projects that have been identified that

01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:02.440
do resolve the FERC 715 issues that we've noted.

01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:05.579
And on the last slide there appeared to be about five

01:03:05.579 --> 01:03:08.869
projects. I think it was two or three stations and two or

01:03:08.869 --> 01:03:13.440
three lines that were in site selection.

01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:17.440
We're kind of early in the process. I guess six.

01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:20.750
This Mayhill substation actually we have a site selection

01:03:20.750 --> 01:03:23.860
public involvement hearing with the City Council next

01:03:23.860 --> 01:03:24.440
Tuesday.

01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:27.329
On this on the 16th we've already gone through the Public

01:03:27.329 --> 01:03:29.440
Utility Board site selection for that.

01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:31.869
The reason that that stayed there for a while is we've been

01:03:31.869 --> 01:03:34.139
working with the landowners one landowner that has all

01:03:34.139 --> 01:03:37.070
these possible sites we thought we were going to come to an

01:03:37.070 --> 01:03:37.440
arrangement.

01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:40.369
We're picking the site that they wanted us to put where on

01:03:40.369 --> 01:03:43.219
their property. We just haven't been able to arrive at the

01:03:43.219 --> 01:03:44.440
actual dollar amount.

01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:47.599
So we'll be having that on Tuesday. Next week, a pockers

01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:51.269
dispenser. That's another segment that we're looking at

01:03:51.269 --> 01:03:52.440
trying to get done.

01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:55.949
Underwood substations on the southwest side of town over by

01:03:55.949 --> 01:03:57.440
the Coal Ranch property.

01:03:57.440 --> 01:04:02.440
We're working with the Coal Ranch people and also Hillview,

01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:04.900
I believe the Ross Perot folks have a lot of land out there

01:04:04.900 --> 01:04:05.440
as well.

01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:07.889
Eagle substations, one you've probably seen on the front

01:04:07.889 --> 01:04:09.440
page of the paper several times.

01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:12.559
That some sites have now been removed off of that. It's

01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:13.440
actually a good move to do that.

01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:16.690
There's some other opportunities that we're pursuing to see

01:04:16.690 --> 01:04:18.440
how we can accommodate that.

01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:21.530
North Lakes to Denton North. That is an existing route of a

01:04:21.530 --> 01:04:24.440
transmission line. We're going to rebuild it in place.

01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:27.920
We'll be having an open house with the citizens just to

01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:29.440
rebuild that in place.

01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:33.170
And then the Spencer Locust line. That's going to be a very

01:04:33.170 --> 01:04:34.440
complex project.

01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:37.940
And it's much needed, but it's a very dense area between

01:04:37.940 --> 01:04:39.440
those two stations.

01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:45.440
So is whenever it went from the previous year to this year,

01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:48.440
probably 15 or 20 new items slid on.

01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:51.599
Are there additional items in a backlog that are not yet on

01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:52.440
this slide?

01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:56.420
All of those would be shown on some of these Gantt charts

01:04:56.420 --> 01:04:57.440
right here.

01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:00.030
Like I said, there's over 2,000 line items that have been

01:05:00.030 --> 01:05:01.440
rolled up into these projects.

01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:05.760
So there would be some of these projects that we might not

01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:08.440
have moved into those categories.

01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:12.440
But some of those, if you actually look at this diagram,

01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:14.440
some of these we don't have to do an open house or site

01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:14.440
selection

01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:17.869
because they're small projects within an existing station

01:05:17.869 --> 01:05:20.440
where we just reconfigure it, add some new equipment.

01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:23.869
And so it's just take an existing site and there's not any

01:05:23.869 --> 01:05:27.130
of these really time involved tasks that are involved in

01:05:27.130 --> 01:05:27.440
that.

01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:28.440
Great questions.

01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:31.699
Yeah, so that's really my question. Are there any more,

01:05:31.699 --> 01:05:34.440
apart from those six that you have outlined,

01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:37.940
do you expect any more kind of major public involvement,

01:05:37.940 --> 01:05:41.440
like site, site, what do you call it, site?

01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:43.440
Site selection.

01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:46.869
Site selection and public involvement processes outside

01:05:46.869 --> 01:05:49.440
those six? Or is that pretty much the last on the list?

01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:51.719
From the very first slide that you talked about here, there

01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:54.440
's some that are way out in the future, such as this 18,

01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:57.699
which would be a new substation possibly on a Brazos

01:05:57.699 --> 01:06:01.440
Electric Power Cooperative line out over in this area.

01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:03.849
We're working right now with the landowner on the hills of

01:06:03.849 --> 01:06:05.440
Denton or the Long Road substation.

01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:08.280
And so, yeah, there's some that are way out there, but they

01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:10.440
're actually on the approved budget list.

01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:14.579
And I guess my final question. So you do have a coal ranch,

01:06:14.579 --> 01:06:18.440
future potential development kind of west of coal.

01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:19.440
Sorry, yeah, coal ranch.

01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:21.320
Coal ranch would be right here in this area on the

01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:22.440
southwest side of town.

01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:24.440
And you're already building a substation for it, basically?

01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:27.539
We already have a site designated for it because of that

01:06:27.539 --> 01:06:30.440
low growth. We'll have to have a substation in that area.

01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:33.639
And of course, just north of there is the Artie Wells, and

01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:36.940
it's a heavy industrial area. We need these to back up each

01:06:36.940 --> 01:06:38.440
other being that close.

01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:41.409
And then you have Hills of Denton North, number four,

01:06:41.409 --> 01:06:44.039
future growth. And then number 18, I don't think there's a

01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:46.440
specific large plan, but there's growth in that area.

01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:48.639
Those are just some areas that we have the capability

01:06:48.639 --> 01:06:50.440
through the Public Utility Commission.

01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:53.079
They're either dual or triple certified that we can serve

01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:54.440
new customers out there.

01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:58.219
And at this point, are there any in the next five, 10 years

01:06:58.219 --> 01:07:02.769
, are there any areas where not on this map that there's

01:07:02.769 --> 01:07:04.440
growth that you think will be a challenge?

01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:08.079
Or have you all planned out for this is a 10 year or 20

01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:09.440
year kind of plan?

01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:13.610
Yeah, as I mentioned, we looked at the chart above here as

01:07:13.610 --> 01:07:18.440
far as the forecast 436 megawatts in the year 2022.

01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:21.789
That's a lot of growth considering we've had 350. And if

01:07:21.789 --> 01:07:25.440
you look, if this was a linear graph from 1960 to now,

01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:28.139
which it's not, because as you notice, if you go straight

01:07:28.139 --> 01:07:29.440
here, it starts to slope up.

01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:31.559
If you go straight here, it starts to slope up. It

01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:35.769
continues to kind of trend upward. So it's steeper. So it's

01:07:35.769 --> 01:07:36.440
not linear.

01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:39.050
But if it was linear, it'd be about a six and a half megaw

01:07:39.050 --> 01:07:40.440
att increase per year.

01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:43.929
And as long as it takes to build these stations, we have to

01:07:43.929 --> 01:07:46.980
have several years ahead of time to go through this process

01:07:46.980 --> 01:07:49.440
to solicit citizen input and get it built.

01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:51.599
It's always better as hills of Denton up north when it's

01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:53.440
one landowner and no one lives around it.

01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:55.550
They want to get you a site. We want to jump on that

01:07:55.550 --> 01:07:58.420
opportunity. We want to select the site. We want to get it

01:07:58.420 --> 01:07:59.440
built there.

01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:02.559
So once it's there, people go, well, I want this vacant

01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:05.659
land around this. But if it wasn't there and people have

01:08:05.659 --> 01:08:08.710
that and you try to put one there, it might be a different

01:08:08.710 --> 01:08:09.440
story.

01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:11.440
Commissioner Danowitz.

01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:14.969
Back to the original chart. You're talking about coal ran

01:08:14.969 --> 01:08:19.670
ches. Isn't there a Hunter's Ranch sub-agency in Los Alam

01:08:19.670 --> 01:08:20.439
itos?

01:08:20.439 --> 01:08:21.439
It's too big.

01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:22.439
Arizona?

01:08:22.439 --> 01:08:23.439
No, it's just to the south.

01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:24.439
To the south?

01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:25.439
No, it's worse.

01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:28.619
Oh, over here in this area? I believe that's down here on

01:08:28.619 --> 01:08:29.439
this area.

01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:31.439
And that has adequate region to feed off of?

01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:33.439
It feed off this Underwood substation.

01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:36.989
Now down in this area, there are certain areas when you get

01:08:36.989 --> 01:08:41.439
south of 2449 right here, there's only a small section that

01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:44.439
the City of Denton or DME can serve being an MOU.

01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:48.060
Part of the public utility commissions, they have some

01:08:48.060 --> 01:08:51.909
boundaries and some of this becomes single certified for co

01:08:51.909 --> 01:08:55.439
-serve to where we can't serve that far down there.

01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:56.439
Commissioner Rossell.

01:08:56.439 --> 01:08:58.439
Thank you, Chair.

01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:03.239
How much megawatts does one substation increase to the

01:09:03.239 --> 01:09:04.439
capacity?

01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:08.409
For each of these, I'll say the typical substation, we have

01:09:08.409 --> 01:09:12.020
two substation transformers in them. Each size of the

01:09:12.020 --> 01:09:16.439
transformer is a 15, 20, 25 MVA transformer.

01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:18.840
And what that means, if you take the middle number, it's

01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:21.439
good for 20 megawatts, or the top number is 25.

01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:24.869
The reason there's three numbers is one is with it running

01:09:24.869 --> 01:09:28.159
without any fans blowing across it, just the normal base

01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:30.439
rating, low rating of 15 MVA.

01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.199
If it becomes hot enough, the unit gets heat, then you

01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:36.079
might kick on the first stage of fans, it blows air across

01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:38.979
the cooling radiators, because transformers are a thermal

01:09:38.979 --> 01:09:40.439
device, you have to keep them cool.

01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:44.050
And that's the second rating, the 20 MVA. If it becomes a

01:09:44.050 --> 01:09:46.439
very hot day and the fans run and they run even all night

01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:48.899
because it's trying to cool it off from heating up during

01:09:48.899 --> 01:09:52.390
the day, then you have the capability of running 25 MVA

01:09:52.390 --> 01:09:53.439
through that.

01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:56.750
And that's at 55 degrees C. And there is another rating

01:09:56.750 --> 01:09:59.550
that you're allowed to use under emergency loading

01:09:59.550 --> 01:10:04.010
conditions, that's a 65 degrees C rating that raises that

01:10:04.010 --> 01:10:06.439
25 number up to 28 MVA.

01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:10.439
Thank you.

01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:11.439
Commissioner Rosbeth.

01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:19.800
So from the public awareness perspective, does DME do some

01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:26.439
sort of outside of the meeting, some sort of educationals,

01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:30.840
because for me, I understand the numbers, but I have

01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:32.439
nothing to quantify the numbers.

01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:41.689
So a one megawatt might as well be a one mega giga. I have

01:10:41.689 --> 01:10:44.100
nothing to associate that with, and I think that is where

01:10:44.100 --> 01:10:47.569
the, if I'm reading the tea leaves right with the people I

01:10:47.569 --> 01:10:50.439
speak with, that's the disconnect, right?

01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:54.279
Because your warning of something that, hey, we've got to

01:10:54.279 --> 01:10:58.220
get in front of this, but what is this? What is, what, you

01:10:58.220 --> 01:11:02.439
know, there's nothing tangible at the end of that warning.

01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:06.439
Obviously, I get it, that it's bad, but what does bad mean?

01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:08.439
You know, so that sort of thing.

01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:12.100
So does the, I guess the trunk-created question is, does DM

01:11:12.100 --> 01:11:15.479
E offer some sort of outside of, hey, we want to come see

01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:19.010
you because we want to build something, just hey, we want

01:11:19.010 --> 01:11:22.630
to come see you because we want to build relationship, and

01:11:22.630 --> 01:11:24.439
we want to educate you, we want to give you a day in the

01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:27.770
life of our world, and here's this, touch it, feel it, you

01:11:27.770 --> 01:11:31.199
know, shock yourself, you know, all that good stuff so you

01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:34.439
can understand this is what we're helping you with.

01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:36.880
That sounds like an external affair question, and our

01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:39.460
manager of that, Brian Dascombe, probably would have an

01:11:39.460 --> 01:11:40.439
answer for that.

01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:44.279
No, sir. You just stand in the light right there. That's

01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:46.439
good.

01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:48.439
Oh, yes, you do.

01:11:48.439 --> 01:11:51.229
I hope this will answer your question. So I remember a few

01:11:51.229 --> 01:11:53.720
years ago, we said, you know, we do need to be out more in

01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:56.439
the public eye, we need to be accessible to the public.

01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:58.750
Let's have a town hall meeting, we'll invite all of our

01:11:58.750 --> 01:12:01.119
customers, and we'll say anything that you want to talk

01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:03.640
about regarding electricity, please come talk to us about

01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:04.439
it, right?

01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:06.939
So we got all the staff, we had plenty of engineers there,

01:12:06.939 --> 01:12:09.300
we had plenty of program managers there, we really had

01:12:09.300 --> 01:12:10.439
everyone we needed.

01:12:10.439 --> 01:12:13.409
And maybe there were a dozen staff members or something

01:12:13.409 --> 01:12:16.439
like that, and then two members of the public came.

01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:18.159
So this is a little embarrassing, right? We threw a party,

01:12:18.159 --> 01:12:21.439
and it was an awkward party. People didn't really care.

01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:24.520
So we thought, okay, well, that's interesting. We did a

01:12:24.520 --> 01:12:26.899
couple of those awkward parties. And then we built a

01:12:26.899 --> 01:12:28.750
transmission line that was going to impact people in their

01:12:28.750 --> 01:12:29.439
homes, right?

01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:31.079
We were going to have to buy additional easement from

01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:33.489
people. In some cases, homes potentially were going to have

01:12:33.489 --> 01:12:35.439
to be demolished for this transmission line.

01:12:35.439 --> 01:12:37.130
And we thought, well, we've had meetings before, and we

01:12:37.130 --> 01:12:39.609
know that no one really shows up to them. And so we booked

01:12:39.609 --> 01:12:42.180
a space. It was a church. It was plenty big, it seemed to

01:12:42.180 --> 01:12:42.439
us.

01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:45.119
We had room for probably 60 people. Well, about 250 people

01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:48.859
showed up. They flooded that meeting, and it was overcrow

01:12:48.859 --> 01:12:49.439
ded.

01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:51.600
And we've learned since then, and we have plenty of space

01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:55.119
for our meetings. I tell that story to say, I would say

01:12:55.119 --> 01:12:59.439
that a lot of people, if we say, come here tonight to learn

01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:02.439
what an MVA is and how it relates to a megawatt,

01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:04.680
they're going to say, you know, I think I'm going to stay

01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:07.039
home and maybe watch TV or something. They're not that

01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:08.439
interested in the technical part.

01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:10.659
But when it starts to impact their home, it becomes

01:13:10.659 --> 01:13:12.439
suddenly very interesting to them.

01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:14.869
What we found is in our open house meetings, the most

01:13:14.869 --> 01:13:17.520
popular exhibits are the ones that have an image that shows

01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:20.539
, here's what we're talking about. Here's what we're talking

01:13:20.539 --> 01:13:21.439
about putting up.

01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:24.399
They're not as concerned about the size of the transformers

01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:27.439
in the substation as the visual impact of the substation.

01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:30.869
And so we do have that information available as far as we

01:13:30.869 --> 01:13:34.180
have a, for each project, we have a multi-page description

01:13:34.180 --> 01:13:37.229
of what this thing is, how it impacts the electrical system

01:13:37.229 --> 01:13:37.439
.

01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:40.390
And while I don't have the exact numbers on how many people

01:13:40.390 --> 01:13:43.159
read that, I'm going to guess that those aren't on the

01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:45.439
nightstands of a lot of our customers.

01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:47.539
Instead, they want to know from us, how's this going to

01:13:47.539 --> 01:13:50.439
impact my property? Does that answer the question?

01:13:50.439 --> 01:13:53.439
>> It does, and I agree.

01:13:53.439 --> 01:14:00.439
But I think it's more, there is no connection.

01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:03.539
So when you're talking, people don't want to know the

01:14:03.539 --> 01:14:06.609
numbers, I agree, but why is it important to know the

01:14:06.609 --> 01:14:07.439
numbers?

01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:13.939
I guess that's, I think that's the emphasis, and maybe it's

01:14:13.939 --> 01:14:15.439
not the adult crowd we're shooting at.

01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:19.859
Maybe it's the young college kids, or maybe it's just a day

01:14:19.859 --> 01:14:23.439
at the mall when people are walking around.

01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:27.989
And I don't know, I'll think about it and ask some

01:14:27.989 --> 01:14:30.439
questions in the area.

01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:35.439
But I think, I just think that there is an appeal.

01:14:35.439 --> 01:14:38.020
There is a, because I had an issue at my home with the

01:14:38.020 --> 01:14:40.689
transform outs, the lights were flashing, they were

01:14:40.689 --> 01:14:41.439
blinking.

01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:43.439
And I just thought it was commonplace.

01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:46.439
And I call and there was something out on the pole.

01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:49.439
I mean, so that's just, I didn't know who to call.

01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:51.439
I didn't know what the symptoms were.

01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:53.439
I didn't know anything.

01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:55.439
Okay, well, it keeps flashing.

01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:57.810
I should probably look and see what it is, or call and see

01:14:57.810 --> 01:14:58.439
what it is.

01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:01.670
So I think there's some of those kind of almost outreach

01:15:01.670 --> 01:15:04.439
type things you could do kind of in advance.

01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:07.659
But I'll frame that a bit and maybe I'll get your email

01:15:07.659 --> 01:15:08.439
address.

01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:09.439
Absolutely, and that's helpful.

01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:10.439
I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:11.439
Okay, thank you.

01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:19.439
Thank you.

01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:26.779
Any other questions that we can answer for the commission

01:15:26.779 --> 01:15:29.439
while we're here?

01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:33.439
Okay, Commissioner Hutsmith.

01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:35.439
One last thing that I wrote down.

01:15:35.439 --> 01:15:40.210
Your first slide, did it say reasonable requests from the

01:15:40.210 --> 01:15:41.439
practical?

01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:43.689
Yeah, there are some things that we receive like, well, we

01:15:43.689 --> 01:15:46.439
don't even want to indent and put it up in some other area.

01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:50.310
Well, as you noticed, the substations have to be somewhat

01:15:50.310 --> 01:15:53.439
close to where the electrical load need is.

01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:56.250
And so we may get all kinds of suggestions, but from an

01:15:56.250 --> 01:16:00.439
engineering perspective, it's really not practical.

01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:01.439
Right.

01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:04.060
But they're good comments, and if we can help them

01:16:04.060 --> 01:16:06.579
understand why that is, we want to help the citizens

01:16:06.579 --> 01:16:07.439
understand that.

01:16:07.439 --> 01:16:11.939
Again, outside looking in, that would be, if I were

01:16:11.939 --> 01:16:16.439
sensitive, to say that my input's not practical.

01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:18.439
I mean, I don't know if there's a better word.

01:16:18.439 --> 01:16:20.439
I'm not a wordsmith at all.

01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:23.489
But if you find a good word for us that means similar to

01:16:23.489 --> 01:16:25.439
that, we would be more than happy to start.

01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:27.260
Yeah, I mean, because the only option is it's not practical

01:16:27.260 --> 01:16:27.439
.

01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:29.439
My idea is not practical.

01:16:29.439 --> 01:16:31.439
It's hard to change the law of physics.

01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:34.720
Electricity only behaves in certain manners, and we just

01:16:34.720 --> 01:16:36.439
tried to accommodate that.

01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:37.439
Sure.

01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:38.439
OK.

01:16:38.439 --> 01:16:39.439
Thank you.

01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:41.439
Any other questions?

01:16:41.439 --> 01:16:42.439
Thank you all so much for coming.

01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:43.439
Thank you.

01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:44.439
Thank you.

01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:45.439
Thank you.

01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:46.439
Thank you.

01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:47.439
Thank you.

01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:48.439
Thank you.

01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:51.380
We have one other item I think, unfortunately, we're going

01:16:51.380 --> 01:16:53.439
to run out of time, is to finish

01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:57.010
up the report we started last time on our pedestrian and

01:16:57.010 --> 01:16:58.439
bicycle linkage.

01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:04.199
I think what we're going to do is we're going to close our

01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:07.439
work session and reconvene in

01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:09.439
council chambers in public.

01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:12.109
I don't know if we're going to be able to, depending on how

01:17:12.109 --> 01:17:13.439
quickly that goes, we may

01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:15.439
be able to come back and finish that item.

01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:18.869
And if our meeting runs long, this evening we will have to

01:17:18.869 --> 01:17:20.439
come back and have this at

01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:22.439
our next meeting.

01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:23.439
So if--

01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:24.439
How long is that presentation?

01:17:24.439 --> 01:17:25.439
Because I'm looking at a deck here.

01:17:25.439 --> 01:17:26.439
It's told 20 minutes.

01:17:26.439 --> 01:17:28.439
I think it's going to take hours to go through.

01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:29.439
I'm just wondering.

01:17:29.439 --> 01:17:31.439
I was told 20 minutes.

01:17:31.439 --> 01:17:32.439
I'm just relaying.

01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:33.439
Really?

01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:34.439
Congratulations on getting through it.

01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:35.439
I'm about halfway.

01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:36.439
I had a slow night.

01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:37.439
I've got a little more--

01:17:37.439 --> 01:17:42.439
I mean, I'm just saying, is 20 minutes going to be enough?

01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:46.800
Well, I think another issue, I think maybe one of our

01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:49.439
commissioners that's not here would

01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:52.439
like to have some additional time to talk about that.

01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:54.100
I think we may have somebody that needs to get out this

01:17:54.100 --> 01:17:54.439
evening.

01:17:54.439 --> 01:17:58.050
So I think what we're going to do is for tonight, we're

01:17:58.050 --> 01:17:59.439
just going to ask that that ought to

01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:02.439
be moved to our next work session.

01:18:02.439 --> 01:18:07.060
And I think the other question that's come up is if

01:18:07.060 --> 01:18:10.439
commissioners would be available

01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:13.630
possibly earlier for our next work session, since we-- it's

01:18:13.630 --> 01:18:14.439
our last two now.

01:18:14.439 --> 01:18:16.439
We've run over and haven't had to come back.

01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:18.439
If we can come in at--

01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:19.439
430.

01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:20.439
430?

01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:23.920
And I guess staff will send that out and let us know, and

01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:25.439
we'll just have to poll and see

01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:26.439
if that's possible.

01:18:26.439 --> 01:18:27.439
What's that dangerous curiosity?

01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:28.439
24.

01:18:28.439 --> 01:18:29.439
24.

01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:38.479
I think we'll have-- staff will get back to us about

01:18:38.479 --> 01:18:41.439
possibly our next work session starting

01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:45.189
at 430, and commissioners can check their schedules and see

01:18:45.189 --> 01:18:46.439
if that will work or if

01:18:46.439 --> 01:18:47.439
not.

01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:50.180
We'll have to deal with it at some point here in the future

01:18:50.180 --> 01:18:50.439
.

01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:54.539
So at 626, I'm going to close our work session for this

01:18:54.539 --> 01:18:55.439
evening.

01:18:55.439 --> 01:18:56.439
Thank you.

01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:32.960
Good evening, and welcome to the City of Denton Planning

01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:42.439
and Zoning Commission meeting.

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It is 635.

01:19:44.439 --> 01:19:48.439
Our meeting was duly posted, and we have a forum present.

01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:51.520
And I call our meeting to order, and our first item of

01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:53.439
business is to stand and say the pledge

01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:56.439
of allegiance to the U.S. and the Texas flag.

01:19:56.439 --> 01:20:01.600
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:03.439
America and to the republic for

01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:08.970
which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with

01:20:08.970 --> 01:20:12.439
liberty and justice for all.

01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:16.819
I pledge allegiance to the Texas flag and to the United

01:20:16.819 --> 01:20:19.439
States of America, one nation

01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:29.439
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

01:20:29.439 --> 01:20:32.439
This is a point of order on our agenda tonight.

01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:38.439
We have one item that has been continued to March 23rd.

01:20:38.439 --> 01:20:43.439
That is going to be our item D, DCA 16-001.

01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:47.550
So if anyone's here for that item, again, that item has

01:20:47.550 --> 01:20:50.439
been continued to March 23rd.

01:20:50.439 --> 01:21:09.439
With that said, we will move on to our consent agenda.

01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:11.439
Commissioner Dudowitz.

01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:12.439
Thank you, Chair.

01:21:12.439 --> 01:21:15.439
I move to approve the consent agenda.

01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:16.439
Commissioner Taylor.

01:21:16.439 --> 01:21:17.439
Second.

01:21:17.439 --> 01:21:20.439
A first and a second, any discussion?

01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:34.439
Seeing none, I will call for a vote on the board.

01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:40.439
Motion passes 6-0.

01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:43.439
Next item we have will be a public hearing.

01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:51.439
So I will open the public hearing for item A, FR 15-0013.

01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:52.439
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:57.020
I'll ask Julie Wyatt to make this presentation for this

01:21:57.020 --> 01:21:58.439
final replat.

01:21:58.439 --> 01:21:59.439
Good evening.

01:21:59.439 --> 01:22:01.439
I'm Julie Wyatt, associate planner with the City of Denton.

01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:06.439
I'm presenting to you FR 1513, Country Lakes West.

01:22:06.439 --> 01:22:09.989
The request before you is to consider a final replat of two

01:22:09.989 --> 01:22:11.439
lots within the Country Lakes

01:22:11.439 --> 01:22:15.439
West subdivision, NPD.

01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:17.439
Here is the plat here.

01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:19.439
The lots in question are here.

01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:21.439
It was originally platted as two lots.

01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:23.439
They are removing that lot line.

01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:28.560
So that's why we're having the public hearing to look at

01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:29.439
that.

01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:31.659
It does meet the technical requirements of the Denton

01:22:31.659 --> 01:22:33.439
Development Code, and therefore

01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:37.439
staff does recommend approval of the plat.

01:22:37.439 --> 01:22:44.439
The applicant is here if you have any questions.

01:22:44.439 --> 01:22:46.439
This is a public hearing.

01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:50.199
So anyone that would like to speak on this item, please

01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:51.439
come forward.

01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:54.439
If you do come forward, we'll need you to fill out a card.

01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:57.289
And when you approach, if you'll give your name and address

01:22:57.289 --> 01:22:58.439
, we would appreciate that

01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:01.439
for the record.

01:23:01.439 --> 01:23:05.439
Anyone else that would like to speak on this item?

01:23:05.439 --> 01:23:06.439
Okay.

01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:12.439
Seeing none, I will close the public hearing.

01:23:12.439 --> 01:23:14.439
Commissioner Taylor.

01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:17.439
I move approval of the final plat.

01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:18.439
Commissioner Beck.

01:23:18.439 --> 01:23:20.439
I second the motion.

01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:22.439
We have a first and a second on this item.

01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:25.439
Any discussion?

01:23:25.439 --> 01:23:33.439
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board.

01:23:33.439 --> 01:23:39.439
The motion carries 6-0.

01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:43.439
I'm going to now open the public hearing for our item B,

01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:49.439
which is DCA 15-0003.

01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:51.439
Thank you, Mike Bowman, Senior Planner.

01:23:51.439 --> 01:23:53.439
We'll make this presentation.

01:23:53.439 --> 01:23:55.439
Thank you, all members of the commission.

01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:58.439
We covered this in pretty good detail in the work session,

01:23:58.439 --> 01:24:00.439
so I'm going to skip to this slide here.

01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:03.439
We had a very informative presentation from DMA members.

01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:05.439
They saw the big, long workflow that they have.

01:24:05.439 --> 01:24:09.430
I hope that helped illustrate to you that all that process

01:24:09.430 --> 01:24:11.439
is the SEPs, they start here and end here,

01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:13.439
and the SEP is right there at the end.

01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:16.520
It's really kind of adding that input too late in the game,

01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:18.439
and we think this process helps bring it forward,

01:24:18.439 --> 01:24:21.600
makes that input from the community more impactful, and

01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:24.869
creates a process where we can get quality design in our

01:24:24.869 --> 01:24:25.439
substations.

01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:30.439
So with that, I'm just saying pretty questions.

01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:36.439
Thank you, Mike.

01:24:36.439 --> 01:24:39.439
Again, this is a public hearing, so anyone who would like

01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:45.439
to speak on this item, please come forward at this time.

01:24:45.439 --> 01:24:50.439
Seeing none, I will close the public hearing on this item.

01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:51.439
Commissioner Dudowitz.

01:24:51.439 --> 01:24:52.439
Thank you, Chair, again.

01:24:52.439 --> 01:24:57.439
I would recommend approval of the amendments as presented.

01:24:57.439 --> 01:24:58.439
Commissioner Rosell.

01:24:58.439 --> 01:24:59.439
Thank you, Chair.

01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:04.439
I second the motion.

01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:14.140
Seeing no request for discussion, I'll call for a vote on

01:25:14.140 --> 01:25:16.439
the board.

01:25:16.439 --> 01:25:20.439
Motion carries 6 to 0.

01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:25.090
We'll now open the public hearing for item C, which was DCA

01:25:25.090 --> 01:25:28.439
15-0007.

01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:29.439
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

01:25:29.439 --> 01:25:40.720
Ross Culbertson, our senior planner, will make this

01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:47.439
presentation for us tonight.

01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:49.640
Thank you, Mr. Menon and commissioners, Ross Culbertson,

01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:50.439
senior planner.

01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:54.119
Development services work with the HLC, Historic Landmark

01:25:54.119 --> 01:25:56.439
Commission, of the City of Denton,

01:25:56.439 --> 01:26:00.279
to come before you with a DENT code amendment for the

01:26:00.279 --> 01:26:04.100
inclusion of additional façade materials for new

01:26:04.100 --> 01:26:05.439
construction,

01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:09.439
and I can work that through with this presentation.

01:26:09.439 --> 01:26:14.449
A recommendation for you is to, or a consideration for a

01:26:14.449 --> 01:26:18.439
recommendation to city council regarding the sections

01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:19.439
within our DENT development code

01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:23.069
that relate to our three historic districts, Oak/Hickory

01:26:23.069 --> 01:26:26.800
Historic District, Belle Avenue Historic Conservation

01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:27.439
District,

01:26:27.439 --> 01:26:31.819
and the West Oak Area Historic District, which are found in

01:26:31.819 --> 01:26:38.439
35795, 357105, and 357135.

01:26:38.439 --> 01:26:44.579
As we want to consider including cementitious siding as an

01:26:44.579 --> 01:26:49.439
architectural item for new construction.

01:26:49.439 --> 01:26:55.130
The request is precipitated from homeowners and citizens in

01:26:55.130 --> 01:26:59.920
the historic districts who want to add these items, listed

01:26:59.920 --> 01:27:01.439
garages, workshops,

01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:05.550
storage buildings, and new infill houses within the

01:27:05.550 --> 01:27:10.789
historic district to incorporate new materials such as hard

01:27:10.789 --> 01:27:12.439
y board siding

01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:17.350
that is not under the auspices of historic preservation

01:27:17.350 --> 01:27:21.439
guidelines, and we're going to kind of see some of those

01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:23.439
through some of these slides.

01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:27.880
A definition for you, cementitious siding or hardy board pl

01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:32.390
anks or siding are cement fiber board products used to

01:27:32.390 --> 01:27:34.439
replicate wood.

01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:37.699
They come in a variety of widths, a variety of lengths, and

01:27:37.699 --> 01:27:40.439
as you can see within the slides there,

01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:45.300
they're attached pneumatically or within a regimented

01:27:45.300 --> 01:27:49.750
system for installing based on the manufacturer's

01:27:49.750 --> 01:27:51.439
instructions.

01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:55.420
This is a tested material that is durable against fire,

01:27:55.420 --> 01:27:57.439
insects, water, and wind,

01:27:57.439 --> 01:28:03.729
and is kind of one of the best replications of wood as a

01:28:03.729 --> 01:28:07.439
new material at this point.

01:28:07.439 --> 01:28:11.800
General applications of these are typically shown on new

01:28:11.800 --> 01:28:16.439
construction within new single-family homes.

01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:20.420
T&D, traditional neighborhood design, which are smaller

01:28:20.420 --> 01:28:23.439
dense neighborhoods with open space and such,

01:28:23.439 --> 01:28:27.420
they kind of replicate hardy siding on a lot of their

01:28:27.420 --> 01:28:28.439
products.

01:28:28.439 --> 01:28:31.750
Accessory structures, that's kind of the intent of where

01:28:31.750 --> 01:28:35.689
this request is coming from for some of those garage and

01:28:35.689 --> 01:28:36.439
accessory structures

01:28:36.439 --> 01:28:42.229
to main dwelling units within historic districts, and then

01:28:42.229 --> 01:28:44.439
infill single-family homes

01:28:44.439 --> 01:28:47.869
in historic districts that are new construction only and

01:28:47.869 --> 01:28:55.319
are not intended to be bound to historic preservation

01:28:55.319 --> 01:28:56.439
guidelines.

01:28:56.439 --> 01:29:01.199
So our current DDC, within the three districts that I

01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:04.439
mentioned, do not differentiate between new construction

01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:07.439
and preservation activities,

01:29:07.439 --> 01:29:11.710
and that all COAs are required for any kind of structure,

01:29:11.710 --> 01:29:16.739
this would be any for those new constructed items like gar

01:29:16.739 --> 01:29:18.439
ages and workshops and such,

01:29:18.439 --> 01:29:22.909
would have to be brick, wood siding, wood, stone, and stuc

01:29:22.909 --> 01:29:23.439
co.

01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:26.640
And with this amendment, we are wanting to introduce cement

01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:33.439
itious siding as a new technology material

01:29:33.439 --> 01:29:37.579
that meets the intent of the ordinance but does not relate

01:29:37.579 --> 01:29:41.439
one for one to historic preservation activities.

01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:45.619
These are just some slides of notable historic structures

01:29:45.619 --> 01:29:50.439
within DIN that are complying and have been rehabilitated

01:29:50.439 --> 01:29:54.800
with the standard materials to replicate the pattern and

01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:57.439
the time period of those homes.

01:29:57.439 --> 01:30:03.189
And as listed here for you and for the public, this is how

01:30:03.189 --> 01:30:06.439
the current DDC standards list,

01:30:06.439 --> 01:30:09.609
and you can see that there is a mandate for only permitted

01:30:09.609 --> 01:30:13.770
facade materials are brick, wood siding, wood, stone, and

01:30:13.770 --> 01:30:14.439
stucco.

01:30:14.439 --> 01:30:17.359
And we want to--and for each of the three historic

01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:21.380
districts, the Oak, Hickory, Belle Avenue, and West Oak

01:30:21.380 --> 01:30:22.439
districts,

01:30:22.439 --> 01:30:26.710
a caveat there in the yellow is Belle Avenue Historic

01:30:26.710 --> 01:30:29.590
District, which you'll see off just a small section of

01:30:29.590 --> 01:30:33.439
Belle Avenue north of 380,

01:30:33.439 --> 01:30:37.159
gives for the flexibility to have artificial facsimiles of

01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:40.439
materials to be considered on a case-by-case basis.

01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:43.720
And with that, that's what the directive and the direction

01:30:43.720 --> 01:30:48.500
we want to do is to implement that within the other two

01:30:48.500 --> 01:30:50.439
districts also.

01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:53.060
Here's what the language will look like within the Oak, H

01:30:53.060 --> 01:30:56.439
ickory Historic District, within the yellow italicized,

01:30:56.439 --> 01:31:00.409
to include smooth-sided cementitious siding is permitted on

01:31:00.409 --> 01:31:03.439
new construction and accessory buildings.

01:31:03.439 --> 01:31:06.869
Artificial facsimiles of these materials will be considered

01:31:06.869 --> 01:31:08.439
on a case-by-case basis.

01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:13.039
In the presentation we gave in the work session, it was a

01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:18.439
good indication from the chair, Mr. Strange,

01:31:18.439 --> 01:31:24.699
that not limiting--and Mr. Dudwood's also--not limiting the

01:31:24.699 --> 01:31:28.439
strict use of smooth siding,

01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:30.770
and we will make those corrections and recommendations

01:31:30.770 --> 01:31:35.460
moving forward and see what the council has their purview

01:31:35.460 --> 01:31:36.439
on that.

01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:41.439
But I can certainly bring that forward.

01:31:41.439 --> 01:31:45.739
Same thing for the Belle Avenue Historic District and same

01:31:45.739 --> 01:31:49.439
thing for the West Oak Area Historic District.

01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:53.710
Public survey and input, we did have dedicated staff within

01:31:53.710 --> 01:31:56.439
the Development Services Department,

01:31:56.439 --> 01:32:00.939
specifically Cindy Jackson and Katia Boykin, worked with

01:32:00.939 --> 01:32:02.439
the Historic Landmark Commission

01:32:02.439 --> 01:32:07.140
and did a lot of the fact-finding on the ground by surveys

01:32:07.140 --> 01:32:12.000
within the historic districts and with a survey to adjacent

01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:12.439
cities

01:32:12.439 --> 01:32:16.859
on their specific use and their application of cementitious

01:32:16.859 --> 01:32:17.439
siding,

01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:21.970
which gave us an indication that most cities permit that on

01:32:21.970 --> 01:32:26.270
new construction that do not conflict with preservation

01:32:26.270 --> 01:32:27.439
activities.

01:32:27.439 --> 01:32:33.739
And again, staff did some outreaches throughout 2015 to

01:32:33.739 --> 01:32:40.689
solicit information and response from citizens and

01:32:40.689 --> 01:32:43.439
residents within those historic districts,

01:32:43.439 --> 01:32:50.380
and support was in favor of introducing this, which coinc

01:32:50.380 --> 01:32:54.439
ides with the information we received with some of the

01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:55.439
surveys.

01:32:55.439 --> 01:33:01.630
So let me indicate to you that a couple of days ago on 2/8/

01:33:01.630 --> 01:33:07.079
16, the Historic Landmark Commission did vote 8-0 in support

01:33:07.079 --> 01:33:08.439
of the amendments.

01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:15.520
They are a recommending body, but yet we take both HLC and

01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:18.420
Planning Commission to City Council for the approval

01:33:18.420 --> 01:33:19.439
process,

01:33:19.439 --> 01:33:24.640
and it is slated for a public hearing on 2/16 for the City

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Council meeting.

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So we are recommending approval. We will adjust the

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recommendation based on the outcome of your input tonight.

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And again, I'm a senior planner with Development Services,

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but yet not a historic planner.

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I'm just bringing forth information based on the findings

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of our staff at this point, and I'll look for your

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recommendation at the end of the meeting.

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Any questions for staff?

01:33:56.439 --> 01:34:01.189
Okay. This is a public hearing. Anyone who would like to

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speak on this item, please come forward at this time.

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Seeing no one else here, I'm going to close the public

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hearing.

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Commissioner Dudderwoods.

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Thank you, Chair. I would like to move to approve the

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amendments as submitted to the DDC,

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with the exception of removing the word "smooth" from the

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asymptomatic siding.

01:34:32.439 --> 01:34:38.439
Thank you.

01:34:38.439 --> 01:34:42.239
I think staff, I mean, staff legal is going to give us a

01:34:42.239 --> 01:34:45.159
clarification if they want just "smooth" or they may want a

01:34:45.159 --> 01:34:46.439
different wording in there.

01:34:46.439 --> 01:34:51.750
It's written as "smooth sided." The use of "smooth sided"

01:34:51.750 --> 01:34:54.439
is in the recommendation.

01:34:54.439 --> 01:34:58.439
So the deletion would be "smooth sided."

01:34:58.439 --> 01:34:59.439
Correct.

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So it would read the use of "cementitious siding."

01:35:03.439 --> 01:35:04.439
Mm-hmm.

01:35:04.439 --> 01:35:05.439
Okay.

01:35:05.439 --> 01:35:06.439
It's permitted.

01:35:06.439 --> 01:35:07.439
Yeah.

01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:09.439
I think that's as we discussed in workshop.

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Legal says good.

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Thank you.

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Okay. Commissioner Hussbett.

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Second.

01:35:15.439 --> 01:35:21.439
Thank you.

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Any discussion on this item? Commissioner Taylor.

01:35:25.439 --> 01:35:30.020
Thank you, Chair. I just wanted to clarify with legal, the

01:35:30.020 --> 01:35:32.439
way this is worded now, it's the permitted facade materials

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are brick, wood siding, wood, stone, and stucco.

01:35:35.439 --> 01:35:38.569
The use of "cementitious siding" is permitted in new

01:35:38.569 --> 01:35:41.439
construction in the accessory buildings.

01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:45.810
Does that always mean that the primary materials are

01:35:45.810 --> 01:35:50.899
allowed in new construction, or should it say is also

01:35:50.899 --> 01:35:54.439
allowed in new construction?

01:35:54.439 --> 01:35:57.220
So basically there's a list of five items allowed in the

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district, and then new construction is allowed one item.

01:36:00.439 --> 01:36:08.649
I just want to make sure that that doesn't overlap or does

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overlap.

01:36:10.439 --> 01:36:18.000
Just to clarify, Jennifer, we're trying to incorporate that

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as an additional building material, exterior facility.

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So you would like to make a friendly amendment to "is also

01:36:28.770 --> 01:36:30.439
permitted," correct?

01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:31.439
Yes.

01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:32.439
I would advise that.

01:36:32.439 --> 01:36:33.439
Yes, if necessary.

01:36:33.439 --> 01:36:34.439
That's a great suggestion.

01:36:34.439 --> 01:36:35.439
Okay, then I will--

01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:40.439
I agree.

01:36:40.439 --> 01:36:41.119
If you're in agreement with that, then we'll have that

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amended motion.

01:36:41.439 --> 01:36:46.439
Okay. So any further discussion on this item?

01:36:46.439 --> 01:36:50.420
I'm going to chip in and just say I appreciate the friendly

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amendment and the ability to do both smooth, textured, and

01:36:54.569 --> 01:36:57.520
then all the other items, and it gives the homeowner the

01:36:57.520 --> 01:36:59.439
choice of what they feel like will match their structure

01:36:59.439 --> 01:37:02.439
the best versus just being limited only to smooth.

01:37:02.439 --> 01:37:05.439
Thank you for indulging me on that one.

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With that, any other discussion?

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Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board.

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That motion carries 6-0.

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Again, our item D has been moved to our March 23 meeting,

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which moves us into our project matrix and concluding items

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.

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Commissioner Dudowitz.

01:37:54.439 --> 01:38:07.439
Forgive me, I'm trying to find my place in the matrix.

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I had a request and I see that it was stated it was

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completed, and I would like to redefine what that meant,

01:38:19.079 --> 01:38:24.630
and it was with regard to allowing P&Z to review any

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changes to city streets, et cetera, et cetera.

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And I thought I had it, but I didn't have it.

01:38:49.439 --> 01:39:00.439
I see.

01:39:00.439 --> 01:39:03.909
I believe it was on the last page, discussed potentially

01:39:03.909 --> 01:39:07.529
allowing planning and zoning commission to review and make

01:39:07.529 --> 01:39:11.439
recommendations to city council regarding street execution

01:39:11.439 --> 01:39:12.439
and mobility plan.

01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:15.439
It said completed.

01:39:15.439 --> 01:39:19.220
I had sent to legal staff of this commission a document, or

01:39:19.220 --> 01:39:22.680
at least a draft of how that should be worded and asked a

01:39:22.680 --> 01:39:26.500
question of the process in which we would actually present

01:39:26.500 --> 01:39:29.439
to city council a change to ordinance.

01:39:29.439 --> 01:39:31.989
And I haven't received that, or if I need to do that off

01:39:31.989 --> 01:39:34.439
this commission, then I can do it separately.

01:39:34.439 --> 01:39:35.439
That's not a problem.

01:39:35.439 --> 01:39:38.439
I just want to note, I'd like to have direction.

01:39:38.439 --> 01:39:40.439
You said it to me?

01:39:40.439 --> 01:39:41.439
You said you sent an email to me?

01:39:41.439 --> 01:39:42.439
Yes, ma'am.

01:39:42.439 --> 01:39:43.439
You would ask for?

01:39:43.439 --> 01:39:46.439
I'd ask for a clarification of what?

01:39:46.439 --> 01:39:47.439
Correct.

01:39:47.439 --> 01:39:49.439
What I was implying?

01:39:49.439 --> 01:39:54.289
What details that you would like to review, not you, but a

01:39:54.289 --> 01:39:58.850
commission would like to review for the streets and the

01:39:58.850 --> 01:40:00.439
mobility plan?

01:40:00.439 --> 01:40:01.439
Correct?

01:40:01.439 --> 01:40:02.439
Correct.

01:40:02.439 --> 01:40:03.439
Okay.

01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:05.439
And then you responded with some itemization.

01:40:05.439 --> 01:40:06.439
Right.

01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:08.439
But that's as far as we got?

01:40:08.439 --> 01:40:09.439
Correct.

01:40:09.439 --> 01:40:10.439
Okay.

01:40:10.439 --> 01:40:14.039
So you sent an email expecting either a response to the

01:40:14.039 --> 01:40:15.439
next step or what?

01:40:15.439 --> 01:40:17.439
Because you asked for that and I gave that to you.

01:40:17.439 --> 01:40:18.439
I did.

01:40:18.439 --> 01:40:19.439
Okay.

01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:20.439
So now my question is what's next?

01:40:20.439 --> 01:40:23.319
So we have to have an internal meeting, which we have not

01:40:23.319 --> 01:40:24.439
done, and legal.

01:40:24.439 --> 01:40:25.439
Okay.

01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:27.439
And once we have that, I'll get back to you.

01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:28.439
Okay.

01:40:28.439 --> 01:40:33.149
So then I would like for staff to remove the word complete

01:40:33.149 --> 01:40:36.859
and either say give me some direction of what that process

01:40:36.859 --> 01:40:38.439
or where we are in that process.

01:40:38.439 --> 01:40:47.439
Thank you.

01:40:47.439 --> 01:40:49.439
Okay.

01:40:49.439 --> 01:40:56.060
Anybody else for a concluding item or question on the

01:40:56.060 --> 01:40:57.439
matrix?

01:40:57.439 --> 01:40:58.439
Okay.

01:40:58.439 --> 01:41:04.439
And at 655, I'm going to close our P&Z meeting tonight.

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Thank you for coming.