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It is 5.02 and this meeting has been duly posted and we

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have a quorum present

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and first item on our agenda is to receive a clarification

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of agenda items

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today and I'll turn it over to Manal. Thank You Chairperson

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. Would the

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Commission like presentations on the plats that are on the

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agenda today? If

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not we can dive straight into the next items. Superb. We'll

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go ahead and discuss

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the presentation for the DME ordinance and I'm going to

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call...

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Clarification please. Yes. We use the plats. Those are

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among the consent agendas? The

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consent and the public hearing plan. We have a final replat

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on the agenda as

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well. If you have any questions related to any of the plots

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we can address this

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else we can dive into the rest of the agenda. Questions?

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Thank you Mike.

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This is the DCA 15-3. This is the proposed change to for

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the electric

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substations and switch stations. We presented in great

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detail last meeting,

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the end of last meeting. Just kind of give you a refresher

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of what we're doing.

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We're adding a new use electric substations and switch

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stations. With

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that we're going to add standards to subject 24 for

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screening buffering access

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and with that we'll create a site plan process for all

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substations to follow.

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Where an SUP in the districts with SUP is currently

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required we're going to add

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this new limitation that says you have to do all this

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public notification prior

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to council selecting the site. If you've done that then you

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don't have to do an

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SUP anymore you just have to follow the site plan process

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and we'll get into

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that in a second. The revisions that have come up since

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last time you saw it last

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time we presented it to you as we move the public

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notification from the site

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acquisition phase where they're purchasing it up to the

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site selection

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phase. What that does is allows you to notice all five

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options and tell them

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come out and give your input at that meeting as opposed to

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when they're going

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to purchase it. So we think that's a little improvement to

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the process. The

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second is now a site plan approval by staff we've added the

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word substantially

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comply with the site plan. It was already there for P&Z we

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just went ahead and

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added it on to staff. The fencing for the gates we changed

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from opaque to wrought

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iron. DME has some security concerns that we get into if

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you want but they need

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the visibility into the side in case of emergencies or

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fires things like that. So

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wrought iron is what we went with and lastly we...

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I have a question for you. Is that in lieu of the masonry?

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ways it'll be a

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masonry gate. Okay so still masonry? Wrought iron gate, yes

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. Okay so still masonry

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screening just an iron gate. Right. Okay thank you. And

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that's clear in the... Commissioner

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Dudowitz. Is that clear in the revision? Yes it's changed

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to wrought iron or

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similar metal material. For the gate. Thank you. It's a

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gate, yes gate. And if it's

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to if it's across from a residence or something like that

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it's still opaque. Right.

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And then lastly there was some concern last meeting about

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the directors leeway

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and providing approving alternatives. We added some

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clarification to that note.

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I'd be happy to go over it if you want. Basically what we

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've done is... I'll

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actually go ahead and just read it. It's pretty short.

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Minor aesthetic deviations

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to screening and buffering standards may be approved by the

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director of

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developmental services or his or her designee if due to the

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unique character

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topography or orientation of the site the overall design

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aesthetic may be

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enhanced by the deviation and may serve the greatest extent

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possible of the

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regulations where applying them would prove impractical. So

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that's in summary

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kind of what we've done to add a little bit more direction

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to when that can be

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used. And we've added if director denies that alternative

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then they can appeal

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to P&Z. Commissioner Beck. Thank you. Now is this something

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that's going to be

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enhanced or diminished when he makes a change? It needs to

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enhance. Okay.

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Did I miss that word in there? Yeah. Yeah. It may be

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enhanced. Right. So those are the

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major changes. There's also some little minor word tweets

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here and there but

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nothing of substance. I'm just going to show you what that

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process would look

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like again. The yellow is what we're adding in. Public

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notification. The 200,

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500 feet, the signs and everything meeting all needs to be

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held before the PB and

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City Council meeting for the site selection. And what it'll

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look like is if

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you've done that notification per limitation and then you

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can go to the

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site directly to the site plan process. If you comply with

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all the design

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standards in 24 staff can approve it. If you need a

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deviation or cannot comply

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with it you go to planning and zoning Commission. If you

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public notification requirements for instance a private

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utility because they

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don't have City Council obviously they would still do the

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SUP as normal and

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staff would approve the site plan that complies with the SU

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P. Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you Chair. Okay. After going over this a little bit

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more I think I got a

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little bit more clarification. What we're essentially doing

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the process where SUPs aren't always required anymore.

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if they're... private utilities. Right. Now interesting to

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hear on one of three of the

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legislation taxes. Private utility companies or DME sites

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that cannot

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comply with the public hearing notification and

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neighborhood meeting

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process will still need to apply for an SUP. Will still

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need to apply for an SUP. Why is that

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written like that? Why I would assume if they don't meet

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these that would be the...

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So if they don't do this step here in yellow. Right. They

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don't send out

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notification for council to purchase a site. Right. Then

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you still have to follow

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the rules that are in place. The SUP notifications to all

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the sites. Then it says any

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proposed DME electric sub station or switch station

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facility that meets the

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public hearing notification neighborhood meeting

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requirements but does not meet

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the development standards would need to submit an

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application for review. That's

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the site plan process. So right here if you've done that

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notification. Yeah. Then

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you go into that site plan review. The sub tap for 24 and

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the site plan. Okay. And if

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you comply with all the standards we created on the face of

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them then you go

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staff can approve that. If you cannot comply with those

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standards in 24 that's

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when it comes to PMV. Okay. So what we're doing is we're am

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ending the DDC that

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allows this change so they don't have to do an SUP. I

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wouldn't say this they don't

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have to do an SUP. What we're really doing is moving that

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input and noticing that's

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required with the SUP up to the beginning of the process

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towards more

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impactful neighborhoods where they're going. We're

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requiring that notification

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to the neighbors that's not required now before the sites

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ever even picked. That's

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the whole intent of what we're doing here. Okay. So to say

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we're eliminating

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the SUP is not quite fair. We're just taking that

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notification and moving it

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up. Because by the time that if we do an SUP the sites

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council. It's already been it's already left the gate. It's

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already happening. And

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so we want to move that input up closer to when you're

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actually picking the

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site so that neighborhood feedback can be impactful. Okay.

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this out too long but I wrote part of this were these

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conditions and

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additional site considerations not codified anywhere is

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that right? Yes that's in 24

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which it's in your backup we gave you. Right. Those are all

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the site plan

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considerations the buffering, the screening, the lighting,

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the NERC and

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federal standards. Those are all spelled out in 24. Okay.

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reflection of the seven SUPs we've already approved that

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were consistent

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across the board with the conditions that were applied. And

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so if you comply

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with all those then it's just staff approval. Okay so we're

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anything. We're adding in standards that were approved as

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conditions of SUPs.

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We're adding those into the code. Okay. Thanks.

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Commissioner Hartsmith. Thank you chair. I don't know if

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now is the time. I have a

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question about the language in the limitations here in so L

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-43. Correct me

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if I'm wrong but the way it reads currently 12 days for the

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public hearing

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15 days which is section C there 15 days for the public

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hearing. So would that

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does that mean you would have the public hearing before

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potentially the notice

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goes out? Am I reading that right? No your notice needs to

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go out 12 days before

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the hearing. Okay and so it go 12 days before the public

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hearing. Right to get

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the neighborhood notice that they're gonna be talking about

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it. Okay okay I

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read that to say that they ran they didn't they they ran

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separate but I I

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was that was my question. Right so B is a public hearing

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was required and

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then one and two underneath that is you have to have the

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notice 12 days prior to

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that public hearing. Perfect okay got it thank you. All

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right and that's really

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that's really it. It's always changed so. Commissioner Beck

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. Thank you. For

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definition electric distribution lines these are the lines

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that go from the

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power plant to the homes and businesses. Transmission line

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will go from the

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power plant to the substation. The substation the trans

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distribution line

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will go from the substation to your house. Okay thanks.

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Thank you Mike. Thank you Mike. Our next item will be

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presented by Ross. Ross is

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going to discuss DCA 150007.

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Good afternoon this is DCA 1507 a didn't cut amendment for

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it amending the

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historic districts district standards for adding cement

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itious siding to the

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historic codes. Let me give a little preface real quick. I

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have a background

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in architecture and I'm was kind of approached by our

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director to help kind

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of tie loose ends on this ordinance get the ordinance more

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into a written stage

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so we can put it into our code. Identify the the areas of

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interest within our

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districts and then just kind of close up the the work that

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has been done by our

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staff. I do want to kind of give credit to Katia Boykin and

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Cindy Jackson they

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are planners senior planners in our development services

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department that

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have done the legwork of a lot of the community meetings a

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lot of working with

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the historic districts and put all the kind of the data

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together that we are

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now tying together with this code amendment. Additionally

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the city has

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brought on board a historic preservation officer who will

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be starting with our

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department next in two weeks so he will kind of take the

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charge of anything

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forward and relate to our department on any further code

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updates coming forward

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but you have a staff report that kind of indicates there

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was a need based on some

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COA certificate of appropriateness for structures that were

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needing to be

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identified as a separate type of building material and we

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'll kind of walk

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through that with this process and how that relates to our

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DENT development

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code. So the request before you is to make a recommendation

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to City Council

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regarding amending sections 35 795, 35 7105, and 35 7135 of

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the DENT

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development code to include additional facade materials

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being cementitious

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siding as architectural requirements on new construction

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only and that's

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highlighted there within the DENT development code for the

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Oak history

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Oak Hickory historic district, the Belle Avenue historic

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conservation district,

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and the West Oak area historic district. Some background

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the homeowners in the

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historic districts have inquired to the city and requested

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buildings such as

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these listed garages, workshops, storage buildings, and new

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and fill houses to be

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able to apply cementitious or hardy board siding for these

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new construction

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activities. Now new construction is separate as a building

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envelope and

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building activity than preservation items. The DENT

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development code follows

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historic interior interior the secretary historic

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guidelines for required

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materials and processes for rehabilitating historic homes

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based on

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those approved materials and the character and quality of

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the

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contributing structure. So what this code amendment is only

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to kind of codify new

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rules for new construction. Cementitious siding for your

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kind of benefit or

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hardy board or planks, hardy board planks are siding or

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cement fiber board

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products usually kind of spelled out within the parameters

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of the dimensional

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requirements there used as exterior siding to replicate

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wood and they are

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tested and fire rated for durability against fire, insect,

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wind, and water. And

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James Hardy is a leading manufacturer company of fiber

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board siding that you

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may see throughout your view throughout the DFW Metroplex

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and all throughout the

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United States. Now generally a definition for the

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application of this is kind of

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broad. You can see hardy board on new single-family homes,

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on accessory

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structures, and for infill homes within historic districts

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and that's kind of

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the application we're looking to to amend with our DDC.

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This little picture up

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here came from the James Hardy website kind of indicating

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all the different

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types of siding and trim and architectural elements that

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kind of

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meet the character of how those new materials and

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expression of those

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materials are made instead of just a wood siding product.

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And the just to kind

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of point out this was this is my house or was my house in

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Houston and it was in

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a historic district but it was on an annex side of the

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district where you

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didn't have to meet the full replication of materials and

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it was built in 1999. I

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lived in it from 2004 to 2008 and it to me represents a you

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know what we are

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looking to do with new infill development when you can get

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an architect that can

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you know design for a good product with that siding.

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Current DDC historic standards just generally do not

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differentiate between

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new construction and preservation activities. They require

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COAs to

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have brick, wood siding, wood, stone, and stucco which are

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general materials

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required for historic preservation activities and are not

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consistent. The

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language of this is not consistent within the Denton

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Development Code and

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you'll take a look at that. Now it's kind of again just

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another indication these

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are the kind of preservation activities where we are

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preserving homes in Denton

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and these are notable structures in Denton that are

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maintaining the strict

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standards of brick, wood siding, wood, stone, and stucco

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and we are not this code

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amendment doesn't affect the historic preservation of these

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activities. So if

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you take a look in the Denton Development Code these are

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how they read verbatim

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in each section and you can see that each under general one

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of each one kind

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of says the permitted the only permitted facade materials

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are brick, wood siding,

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wood, stone, and stucco and within the Bell Avenue Historic

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District there are

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opportunities for new materials to be expressed but they

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are kind of codified

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in all the other districts so we're kind of seamlessly kind

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of matching all the

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all these together. So looking at this one by one Oak

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History Historic District

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will read the white writing is the original language the

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yellow is the new

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amended language which we are including the use of smooth

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sided

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cementitious siding is permitted on new construction and

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accessory buildings

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artificial facsimiles of these materials will be considered

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on a case-by-case

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basis as material technologies progress and we did that

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language for each of the

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historic districts shown here and with that there was data

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provided for us to

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make some good qualified decisions quantified decisions of

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what to do and

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our staff as mentioned polled comparable cities and pretty

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much all

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of them allow for cementitious siding to be implemented on

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new construction and

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we found that pretty standard throughout and I want to

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point out that Fort Worth

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identified it as smooth sided versus a grained pattern and

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you can get these

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panels within with grain patterns and other things but I

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think for the content

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and the character of the buildings that we have maintaining

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it as smooth sided

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is the direction we were going and we are following their

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lead. We've got a

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question for you on that. Yes. So you you can't use a wood

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textured type siding

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then only slick. My experience with that is I don't think

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you're going to end up

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with the kind of look that you may be looking for with a

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cement board because

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you can't countersink the nails when you shoot a smooth

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finish hardy board it'll

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it'll break so what ends up happening you have to high nail

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it all the nails

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show on it and when you paint it and you drive down the

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road and you look at it

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you'll see that and I learned that probably 20 years ago

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the hard way with

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the client and I've never used smooth textured siding since

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because of that

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because you can see every single nail shot in it. I

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understand what the look

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is but from the street you can't tell the difference but

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you will definitely

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see a very different look in the way the finish is going to

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be when it's

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caulk putty and painted with a just a smooth finish and I

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would just draw that

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to your attention from many years of experience you may

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want to check with

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some other contractors but I think the clients or the

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owners will maybe not be

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as pleased with the finished product using just a smooth

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only versus a texture

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that just be a comment. Commissioner Dudowitz. Ross could

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you explain why you

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only allow smooth and not give an alternative because in

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any architectural

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design you would want to sure duplicate something that's

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surrounding it and give

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the client an option what would look best. I can go back to

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that you know

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there is precedent with you know those these multiple types

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and you can see

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there's lap board and you know I understand the single kind

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of type stuff

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but I'm just thinking that maybe the Jim's point that you

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have an alternative

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from an aesthetic or architectural design standpoint not to

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restrict it just a

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flat board but if there is great and I've seen it you get

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up close to that you

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know to a great thing you think it's grain wood painted

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over you get up to a

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flat piece it looks like siding. Well there's been

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conflicting viewpoints

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on that within our within our team so some of the it's a

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wood grain would have

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looked good looked the other way it would have looked more

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of a you know

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less quality material versus a seamless material so I'm not

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sure how to go about

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that. Can you explain artificial effect similes and what

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those are?

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That would be kind of the same thing if there's any other

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new product for brick

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for stone but those would be the artificial facsimiles of

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the main

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material and those would be looked on a case-by-case basis

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if they're appropriate

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to be implemented either as a you know skirt around a

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building or something

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like that if they're not going to do river rock stone on

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things like that I

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mean you would have to do it for preservation purposes but

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for new

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construction we would look at new materials on a case-by-

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case basis. Stone

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face cinder block you know they have cinder blocks and they

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can put a

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artificial facade on the front side of that that qualify

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for it? I don't know with

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cinder block I mean I wouldn't say. Well no I'm saying you

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have real stone and

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then you have facsimile of stone it's because it has a

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facade on the front

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that looks like stone but in fact it's not. Jim may be able

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to help explain what I'm

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thinking about. Cultured stone. Cultured stone, cement

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stone that is porous.

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That would be artificial facsimiles. So that's the term

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that can be

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approved case-by-case. Correct.

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Understand your point. Thank you. Commissioner Taylor.

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Thank you

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Chair. Along the same lines it seems to me that would be

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more appropriate

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generally to have the wood grange product because it would

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more accurately

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recreate the historic wood siding. I also have some

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questions about other shapes. I

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don't know how many kind of craftsman style homes are in

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our historic

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districts but common in craftsman style homes were shingles

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even cement shingles

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and asbestos shingles which would have you know were common

519
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in the 20s 30s 40s

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and so it seems like it would be better to get rid of the

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asbestos and go to the

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hardy shingle for example but those aren't smooth either I

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believe. I believe

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they're also yeah they have the same kind of textures that

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would that be

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allowed in this because it the way I read it it looks like

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you can only have

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the straight board. We weren't proposing any kind of

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dimensional

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requirement for any of these products. Some historical

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perspective this item

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evolved out of our historic Commission. They are HLC

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Commission and they wanted

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to they had received several and you can see that in the

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backup material for your

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report several queries as to what materials they can and

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cannot use and

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these are one of them came up. Of course obviously some

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very relevant discussion

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is coming out of this conversation in this presentation and

541
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:38,119
the Commission at

542
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,769
the PNZ is more than welcome to recommend adding or

543
00:24:41,769 --> 00:24:43,200
including the hardy

544
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:50,650
board smooth finish and wood grain. So that is an option.

545
00:24:50,650 --> 00:24:52,680
Now to talk about the

546
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,430
other materials or what you've mentioned why wouldn't we

547
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:56,319
upgrade and eliminate

548
00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:00,160
the for instance the asbestos issue related to homes that

549
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,319
were built in the

550
00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:06,230
20s. If this was a existing home and they decided to tear

551
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:07,480
it down and build it to

552
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,319
that same character then we would as a facsimile or look at

553
00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:10,960
those other

554
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,099
materials in that manner to determine the appropriateness

555
00:25:14,099 --> 00:25:15,880
of to comply with. But

556
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,109
any new development that occurred on that site let's say

557
00:25:18,109 --> 00:25:19,119
they had the existing

558
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,339
home with the existing materials and they chose and Ross

559
00:25:21,339 --> 00:25:22,039
correct me if I'm

560
00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:25,200
wrong and they chose to add a garage for example then

561
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,920
deciding on that would not

562
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,279
be the asbestos it would be asbestos free and we could see

563
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:32,599
that it matches the

564
00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:35,480
character of that neighborhood or that single-family home.

565
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,039
So I guess a follow-up

566
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:40,000
question I don't I don't really know that much about the

567
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,200
historic landmark or

568
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:47,849
the historic preservation and the kind of activities of HLC

569
00:25:47,849 --> 00:25:50,960
. So to me to my

570
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,660
unexperienced eye it seems like a good facsimile that's of

571
00:25:55,660 --> 00:25:56,640
a quality product

572
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,200
that's going to last 50 or 100 years would be good enough.

573
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:00,960
Is there a reason

574
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,109
or should we ask HLC to give us input as to whether or not

575
00:26:06,109 --> 00:26:08,000
a facsimile product is

576
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,180
is there a reason why we shouldn't allow facsimile products

577
00:26:11,180 --> 00:26:12,200
? I think the

578
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,630
opportunity that the HLC wanted was to look at everything

579
00:26:15,630 --> 00:26:16,880
case by case in a CO

580
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,849
COA for example to determine the appropriateness and the

581
00:26:20,849 --> 00:26:22,279
likeness and the

582
00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:26,599
historical perspective of that area as well. So I guess

583
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:28,680
then what we're talking

584
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,680
about would all fall into that facsimile clause that

585
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:31,640
require a case-by-case

586
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:38,359
basis. I see. Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. Following

587
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,279
up with what you said, do they lose

588
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:45,190
historical status if they do start changing certain

589
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:46,680
materials is that part

590
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:53,329
of the concern here? This is not yet. That would where

591
00:26:53,329 --> 00:26:54,759
preservation activities

592
00:26:54,759 --> 00:27:00,299
have to maintain original structure and form or indicate a

593
00:27:00,299 --> 00:27:01,880
break to the original

594
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,259
structure so that new materials could be shown but I don't

595
00:27:06,259 --> 00:27:07,839
know the logistics of

596
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:11,359
how that works. I'm not a historic preservation officer but

597
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,240
again these are

598
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,900
for new structures for garages things like that that people

599
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:17,119
with historic

600
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,859
buildings would want to include on their properties and to

601
00:27:20,859 --> 00:27:21,680
give you the

602
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:29,160
background HLC has always promoted one-for-one materials to

603
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:29,359
the

604
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,680
secondary structures so it's become cost prohibitive it's

605
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:34,480
called become kind of

606
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:40,259
difficult to maintain a garage you know with you know four

607
00:27:40,259 --> 00:27:43,920
inch slat wood and

608
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,799
kind of clad your whole building with that the durability

609
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:47,359
of that the

610
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,730
longevity of that when new materials could replicate it but

611
00:27:51,730 --> 00:27:53,960
yet be not would

612
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,539
not diminish the historical nature of that structure

613
00:27:56,539 --> 00:27:57,680
because the original

614
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,819
structure is the the item that that carries that weight.

615
00:28:01,819 --> 00:28:02,960
Well it seems to me

616
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,519
if I may just add that the older these buildings get the

617
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:09,200
availability of those

618
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,910
original products seems to diminish and you're almost

619
00:28:12,910 --> 00:28:14,079
forced to look at

620
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:20,119
substitute materials as long as it looks the same. There's

621
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,279
different levels and I'm

622
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:25,259
not versed in it but there's a level of and I may be listed

623
00:28:25,259 --> 00:28:26,359
it here there's

624
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:32,140
restoration preservation there's a couple of other levels

625
00:28:32,140 --> 00:28:33,079
where you take

626
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:36,509
the original material but we've got to kind of focus on

627
00:28:36,509 --> 00:28:37,880
just new materials and

628
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,460
not you know. So this code amendment that's before you was

629
00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:41,359
specifically for

630
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:46,400
new construction and the the issue was in terms of the

631
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,240
definition in the

632
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,579
ordinance this was a cleanup to the definition of the

633
00:28:49,579 --> 00:28:50,880
ordinance upon the

634
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,380
upon discussion with HLC as well that we needed to refine

635
00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:57,119
the language to enable

636
00:28:57,119 --> 00:29:02,970
the ability to allow cementious fiber / hardy board as

637
00:29:02,970 --> 00:29:03,920
everybody likes to call

638
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,900
it but your point as to you know should it only be a smooth

639
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:09,240
finish versus a

640
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,529
great wood grain pattern that is something worth

641
00:29:11,529 --> 00:29:12,480
considering and perhaps

642
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,059
making that part of your recommendation. We can take that

643
00:29:15,059 --> 00:29:16,680
recommendation.

644
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,000
Commissioner Rozelle. Thank you. In your question should it

645
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,839
be limited to wood grain if

646
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:27,190
that especially siding isn't wood grain at all? I would

647
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:29,880
take you out any mention

648
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,400
of that then and just say the use of cementitious siding is

649
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,759
permitted and not

650
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:40,859
kind of dictate pattern or form on that. Exactly. Make it a

651
00:29:40,859 --> 00:29:41,799
little more general.

652
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:47,220
Yeah okay. Commissioner Taylor. One more clarifying

653
00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:51,839
question. Can does it need to

654
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:55,279
match does the new building the new garage or accessory

655
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:56,039
building need to

656
00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:59,200
match the main building? It needs to match in yeah. So

657
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,359
there's that somewhere else in

658
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,319
the ordinance? Correct. So we don't have to worry about.

659
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:03,759
Yeah correct.

660
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:09,930
Okay. And the COA process would enable that distinction. It

661
00:30:09,930 --> 00:30:12,599
would be reviewed.

662
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:18,279
I have a couple slides left real quick. Just they our city

663
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:19,519
staff worked with the

664
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:27,079
HLC to and with the community to have staff to have

665
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:28,160
community input for

666
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,960
residents within the districts and we are looking at doing

667
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,960
that again for City

668
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,720
Council moving forward with your recommendation tonight but

669
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,640
there has

670
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,759
been some items done within October of last year to gain

671
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:45,400
support and get input

672
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,000
from the residents and so again kind of the background we

673
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,359
are looking we're at

674
00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:58,359
the place where HLC did vote 8-0 in support but we can

675
00:30:58,359 --> 00:30:59,279
bring back

676
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:04,420
your amendments to them or move forward with City Council

677
00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:05,319
with your

678
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:10,359
amendments. Commissioner Dottovitz. Just to question that

679
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:11,680
comment so we're going

680
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,000
to be presented with this option tonight. Correct. We can

681
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,400
amend it or suggest to be

682
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,289
amended. Does it go and then go back to CHL? No. It just

683
00:31:22,289 --> 00:31:23,480
goes to City Council.

684
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,759
HLC. HLC. Alphabet soup. The next step is to move on to

685
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:29,720
City Council with your

686
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,559
recommendation. You do have the option to postpone the item

687
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:34,279
should you need more

688
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:38,549
time. Just to keep your apprised we have scheduled a

689
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:39,359
notification for the

690
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:41,660
upcoming City Council meeting but your option is if you

691
00:31:41,660 --> 00:31:42,319
need more information

692
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:46,660
we would choose to table the item that is your prerogative.

693
00:31:46,660 --> 00:31:49,279
Okay. I think from

694
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:57,500
what I'm hearing is that this cementious siding leave it

695
00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:59,319
open-ended.

696
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:04,240
Commissioner Rosell. Thank you Chair. I'm not sure if this

697
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,200
question can be

698
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,180
answered but there's different levels of historic design

699
00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:10,279
ations from the city,

700
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:15,069
state, and federal designations of what is historic. That's

701
00:32:15,069 --> 00:32:17,599
is that on a building

702
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:21,309
by building or is that the zone? What I'm wondering is any

703
00:32:21,309 --> 00:32:22,680
new construction is are

704
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,250
we do we have to fall under any federal state historic

705
00:32:27,250 --> 00:32:29,160
designations or kind of

706
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,730
new construction has some freedom? I'm not first on that.

707
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:35,720
We can check with our

708
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,299
Chelsea advisors on that. It would seem to be that there

709
00:32:40,299 --> 00:32:42,319
are those higher tier

710
00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:46,299
districts and this is a local these are three local

711
00:32:46,299 --> 00:32:47,640
districts which I've read

712
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,759
the background on so whatever we're doing we're amending

713
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:51,759
local districts with

714
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:56,829
our standards. It's building by building. Building by

715
00:32:56,829 --> 00:32:57,839
building. But we do we have

716
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:02,619
established specific districts within the city if you

717
00:33:02,619 --> 00:33:03,839
notice we have the okay

718
00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:07,519
create historic district you have the Bell Avenue historic

719
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:08,200
conservation

720
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,339
district and we also have a West Oak area which those

721
00:33:11,339 --> 00:33:12,599
designations that

722
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:16,730
should you choose to follow that path you have the

723
00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:20,119
opportunity to. If I'm not

724
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:25,279
mistaken. There's not gonna be any jeopardy to the primary

725
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:26,480
structure if

726
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,710
they have one of those state plaques on their wall by

727
00:33:29,710 --> 00:33:31,839
adding a new structure. New

728
00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:33,849
structure that's because that's to the building not to the

729
00:33:33,849 --> 00:33:34,839
property. It's not to

730
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:38,680
the lot. It's to the building in most instances and that's

731
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,119
what the C of A

732
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:42,740
would establish you would have all that historical data

733
00:33:42,740 --> 00:33:43,779
with it to determine the

734
00:33:43,779 --> 00:33:46,779
appropriateness of even moving forward with in addition to

735
00:33:46,779 --> 00:33:47,640
that property or

736
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:53,140
that development. Perfect. Thank you. Again this was new

737
00:33:53,140 --> 00:33:54,240
information to me I tried

738
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,279
to cram and understand the concepts of what was going on to

739
00:33:58,279 --> 00:33:59,319
get it to where it

740
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:06,079
is. Thank you.

741
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,920
Just for anybody who may be waiting and listening and we

742
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,960
have our final item

743
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:39,900
that's D, DCA 16-001 in regards to tree preservation that

744
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:40,719
that item has been

745
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,590
continued to our March 23rd meeting so that will not be on

746
00:34:45,590 --> 00:34:47,880
our agenda tonight.

747
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:53,500
That's going to cover our public hearing items. We have two

748
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:54,880
other items in work

749
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,739
session. I think what we're going to do is make a small

750
00:34:59,739 --> 00:35:01,880
change and here item B

751
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,849
first which is going to be PZ 16-030 because I think they

752
00:35:06,849 --> 00:35:07,559
were here last

753
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:10,989
time and missed completely so we'll make sure that you're

754
00:35:10,989 --> 00:35:12,480
able to get up and do

755
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,239
your presentation and I think we'll take a short break to

756
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,960
get food at 538.

757
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:51,699
Okay welcome back it's 543 and we're going to call our work

758
00:35:51,699 --> 00:35:52,440
session back into

759
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,170
order and we'll hear item B receive a report on DME's

760
00:35:57,170 --> 00:35:58,519
capital improvement plan.

761
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:02,679
Thank you Chair Commission. This is an update on DME's CIP

762
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:04,039
program and processes

763
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:07,309
that we use in our CIP program. CIP's capital improvement

764
00:36:07,309 --> 00:36:09,059
program. I'd like to

765
00:36:09,059 --> 00:36:11,289
begin and give you just a couple brief facts about Denton

766
00:36:11,289 --> 00:36:12,199
Municipal Electric.

767
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:16,760
We're an MOU that's what Mike Bill had shown up in his

768
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:17,039
earlier

769
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:20,730
presentation. We are the public electric company MOU. Some

770
00:36:20,730 --> 00:36:21,719
people call it public

771
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,940
power as opposed to a private entity which would be an

772
00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:25,960
investor owned

773
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,340
utility such as Encore or a cooperative like CoServe. DME

774
00:36:30,340 --> 00:36:31,239
is the electric

775
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,969
department. We're owned and operated by the City of Denton

776
00:36:33,969 --> 00:36:34,840
so all the citizens

777
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,269
of Denton do own us. Our peak electrical load is 350 meg

778
00:36:38,269 --> 00:36:41,639
awatts. We have over 50,000

779
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:44,800
electric meters that we serve. Our overhead distribution

780
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:45,440
lines and I'll

781
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,739
show you some pictures of distribution we talked about

782
00:36:47,739 --> 00:36:50,519
earlier is 328 miles of

783
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:54,039
overhead distribution. We have 426 miles of underground

784
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:55,679
distribution. If you do

785
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:59,360
that math that says that our distribution system is 57%

786
00:36:59,360 --> 00:36:59,880
underground

787
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,920
here in the City of Denton.

788
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:08,150
This is executive summary. It's a little bit of a

789
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:10,800
presentation that we gave to the

790
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,760
City Council in a work session on December the 8th. If you

791
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:14,440
look at the

792
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,170
chart on the right hand side this shows the electrical peak

793
00:37:17,170 --> 00:37:17,940
demand that we've

794
00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:20,820
had here in the City of Denton. It starts on the far left-

795
00:37:20,820 --> 00:37:22,440
hand side over here in

796
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,880
1960 we had 26 megawatts worth of peak electrical load in

797
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:28,679
the entire City of

798
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:33,260
Denton combined. Forecast adapt to the year 2022 we're

799
00:37:33,260 --> 00:37:35,219
forecasting 436

800
00:37:35,219 --> 00:37:39,500
megawatts. Our peak load was 350 megawatts in August of

801
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:40,599
2011 when we had

802
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:43,760
the hot spell with so many consecutive days over 100

803
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,119
degrees and so it goes up

804
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:48,199
when it's hot it goes down a little bit when the summer

805
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:49,440
loads are not as much

806
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,610
but you have to have the infrastructure to handle it

807
00:37:51,610 --> 00:37:52,800
because we never know when

808
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,690
it's going to be hotter when the citizens are going to be

809
00:37:54,690 --> 00:37:55,559
flipping all the light

810
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:58,340
switches on. So we do have a problem here in the City of

811
00:37:58,340 --> 00:37:59,599
Denton. We have a growth

812
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:03,730
and agent infrastructure problem. We have a responsibility

813
00:38:03,730 --> 00:38:04,960
to respond to

814
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,780
resolve that problem with both as the electric provider

815
00:38:07,780 --> 00:38:08,719
here in the City of

816
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,699
Denton and also a regulatory responsibility. There are some

817
00:38:11,699 --> 00:38:12,199
words that

818
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:14,880
have been passed around at the federal level Department of

819
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,440
Energy. There's FERC,

820
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,750
the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. They have NERC,

821
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:20,699
the North American

822
00:38:20,699 --> 00:38:23,340
Electric Reliability Corporation that has guidelines that

823
00:38:23,340 --> 00:38:24,119
we have to follow.

824
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:27,710
There's NERC compliance requirements that we have to submit

825
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:28,679
. There's a report

826
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:33,079
called a FERC 715 report that every year we have to analyze

827
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:33,719
our entire

828
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,079
transmission system. That means you mathematically model

829
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:38,519
your entire

830
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:41,219
electrical system and then you check to see under peak

831
00:38:41,219 --> 00:38:42,519
loading conditions how

832
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:45,369
are you looking? What parts of your system or segments

833
00:38:45,369 --> 00:38:46,480
might be overloaded?

834
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,159
Are you going to have any issues with that load? Then you

835
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:50,559
start doing

836
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:53,619
contingencies. You take each segment or each piece of that

837
00:38:53,619 --> 00:38:54,760
electrical system out

838
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,269
of service such as if you had to switch it out for

839
00:38:57,269 --> 00:39:00,079
maintenance or if maybe a

840
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,909
piece of equipment failed. You look at that for every

841
00:39:02,909 --> 00:39:04,360
single piece of equipment.

842
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,630
That's one contingency. Then you start doing multiple

843
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:07,639
contingencies where you

844
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:10,500
look at that piece and another piece out. And there's a

845
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:11,719
whole host of guidelines

846
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,989
that we have to follow for the FERC 715 report. We have a

847
00:39:15,989 --> 00:39:17,079
public involvement

848
00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:20,050
process for our CFP program to resolve these issues that we

849
00:39:20,050 --> 00:39:20,800
discover in the

850
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,300
FERC 715 report. And the public involvement process

851
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:25,440
encourages citizen

852
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,679
input. Brian Dascombe is going to come up in a little bit

853
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:28,760
to talk about the public

854
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,909
involvement process. We do consider all practical

855
00:39:31,909 --> 00:39:33,400
suggestions that we receive

856
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,840
from the citizens and we desire to move forward with the

857
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,000
most sensible approach

858
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,530
that has the least impact and it has the most support. So

859
00:39:40,530 --> 00:39:41,920
our CFP program does

860
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,699
address the two key factors here in Denton, system growth

861
00:39:44,699 --> 00:39:45,239
and agent

862
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,510
infrastructure. Here is a system substation map. I noticed

863
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:50,079
in your backup

864
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:53,079
you had a copy of this. Let me kind of point this out. This

865
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:54,119
is a more recent one.

866
00:39:54,119 --> 00:40:00,920
The green loop around Denton here. This is I-35 East and 35

867
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,000
W comes here. So this

868
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,320
is the main core of Denton. This is our 69 kV transmission

869
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,039
line that's 69,000

870
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:12,469
volts. That is what is targeted during this FERC 715 study

871
00:40:12,469 --> 00:40:14,760
to be upgraded to 138 kV

872
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,519
or 138,000 volts. The reason we would want to do that is we

873
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:20,400
do need more power

874
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,519
requirements and there's a mathematical calculation that

875
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:25,880
takes the power equals

876
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,519
your voltage times your current in very simplistic terms.

877
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:29,559
So if you keep the same

878
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:31,650
current flowing through the conductors and you double your

879
00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:32,280
voltage you get

880
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,039
double the power that you can ship around the system. So

881
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:37,000
the red line is the

882
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,679
138 kV system that is owned by Texas Municipal Power

883
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:42,239
Authority. Denton is one

884
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,210
of the sister cities, a TMPA, Texas Municipal Power

885
00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:46,519
Authority and the yellow

886
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:51,099
dots are the substations across the town. This is a

887
00:40:51,099 --> 00:40:53,000
photograph on the left-hand

888
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,750
side, just a portion of our system operations center. This

889
00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:57,519
is a 24/7

890
00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:00,099
operation that we man here in the city of Denton. It's

891
00:41:00,099 --> 00:41:02,119
located at 1685 Spencer

892
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:05,059
Drive. If you have not had an opportunity to come out and

893
00:41:05,059 --> 00:41:06,320
visit that we'd love to

894
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,449
set up a time with you personally, schedule a time and

895
00:41:08,449 --> 00:41:09,440
answer any questions

896
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,159
that you may have. We're very proud of this. It has all of

897
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:15,099
our substations are

898
00:41:15,099 --> 00:41:18,659
tied back into this one site across town in this one

899
00:41:18,659 --> 00:41:21,039
central location through

900
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:24,320
over on the right-hand side. This is a picture inside of a

901
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,800
switchgear facility

902
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,809
at one of our substations. Each substation has a facility

903
00:41:28,809 --> 00:41:29,440
similar to

904
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,119
this. These are microprocessor relays or solid state relays

905
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:34,920
. This just happens to

906
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,519
be a brand called Swatz or SEL. They send me one of the

907
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:39,659
leaders in the

908
00:41:39,659 --> 00:41:43,639
industry and from these these all feed into remote terminal

909
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:44,880
unit or RTU and

910
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,599
that RTU goes through our SCADA system supervisory control

911
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:48,920
and data

912
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,900
acquisition back to the system operations center. So we can

913
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:53,400
look at

914
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,059
telemetry. We know how much current, how much voltage is at

915
00:41:56,059 --> 00:41:56,960
each substation on

916
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,710
each piece of the electrical bus in the substation. We can

917
00:42:00,710 --> 00:42:02,400
check the status of

918
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,000
breakers. Are they opened or closed? We can actually have

919
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:05,880
control where we can

920
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,969
open and close those remotely from this facility. These

921
00:42:08,969 --> 00:42:10,840
operators that are men in

922
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,559
the desk, they're NERC certified. They have to go through a

923
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:14,639
rigorous set of

924
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:17,760
testing to where they can work with the state of Texas

925
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,260
electrical grid which the

926
00:42:19,260 --> 00:42:24,190
transmission system is part of the state grid. Here's a

927
00:42:24,190 --> 00:42:26,159
picture of a substation.

928
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:29,500
These are unmanned facilities. Those are those yellow dots

929
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:30,559
that I showed you on

930
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:33,559
the schematic. The one on the left is a picture of the

931
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:34,860
Bonnie Bray substation.

932
00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:38,699
Bonnie Bray south of 380. The picture on the right is our

933
00:42:38,699 --> 00:42:40,199
Cooper Creek substation

934
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:47,449
at Audre and East Loop 288. One of the things that we do

935
00:42:47,449 --> 00:42:48,719
when we begin to try

936
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,190
to pick either new sites or how do we renovate existing

937
00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:53,440
sites to allow for

938
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,400
growth is this is at Giesling and Black Road on the

939
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,000
northeast side of Denton.

940
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,599
These are some drawings that have been put together by

941
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:01,880
power engineers, one of

942
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,590
our engineering consultants. This is the existing site that

943
00:43:05,590 --> 00:43:07,079
's here. It's kind of

944
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,630
unique that this substation actually has three transmission

945
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:11,880
lines that come into

946
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,650
it right now and will eventually have four. Encore, TXU,

947
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:17,119
they come in from the

948
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:20,840
northeast side of town. We have TMPA line that goes up

949
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,360
through here and then we

950
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,440
have a line that feeds our Cooper Creek, McKinney, and

951
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,480
industrial substations over

952
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,389
in here. So there's three lines that come into this. Most

953
00:43:30,389 --> 00:43:31,679
of our substations have

954
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:35,010
two lines, one line in one line out. So when you have a

955
00:43:35,010 --> 00:43:36,199
node or an intersection,

956
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:40,179
we have multiple lines come together, it's really hard to

957
00:43:40,179 --> 00:43:40,400
move the

958
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,559
substation to a much different location unless you move all

959
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:44,360
the lines that are

960
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,940
with it. Think of a pencil with rubber bands and you can

961
00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:48,079
move that, but all the

962
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:51,679
rubber bands have to move with that movement of the site.

963
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:53,239
This is an artist

964
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,139
rendition of what this substation will look like when it's

965
00:43:56,139 --> 00:43:57,079
complete and it's

966
00:43:57,079 --> 00:44:02,460
taken from this KOP key observation point in this direction

967
00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:06,239
. Back to the point

968
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,039
of what is a distribution line, this is the lines that

969
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:10,400
distribute the power to

970
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,090
their citizens, to their homes, and it steps down on a

971
00:44:13,090 --> 00:44:14,239
transformer to get it

972
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,480
down to 120 to 240 volts so it can go into the house and

973
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,440
supply the customer's

974
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,420
needs on the right-hand side. So they're the typically 40-

975
00:44:21,420 --> 00:44:22,760
45 foot poles that go

976
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,340
down up and down every street, those are distribution

977
00:44:25,340 --> 00:44:27,719
system. It's 13,200

978
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:33,239
volts phase to phase grounded Y or 7,620 volts phase to

979
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,079
ground on the

980
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,949
distribution system. This picture in the middle is what we

981
00:44:36,949 --> 00:44:37,719
've actually been

982
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,219
constructing with our transmission process. This is one of

983
00:44:40,219 --> 00:44:40,920
the newest ones

984
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,000
we completed over on Paisley Drive. You can see the

985
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,519
transmission system at the

986
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:49,329
top and then we have distribution system underneath it. And

987
00:44:49,329 --> 00:44:51,320
so it's a very clean

988
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,940
look as compared to some of them like down Bonnie Brave

989
00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:54,980
where we had old wood

990
00:44:54,980 --> 00:44:57,659
poles and we topped them and things like that. So we're

991
00:44:57,659 --> 00:44:58,639
trying to consider

992
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:01,679
aesthetics and all of designs and how do we have it look in

993
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:03,880
the end.

994
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,280
Well one of the things that we've come into is how do we

995
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,119
modify and upgrade our

996
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:13,869
electrical system and still keep the lights on and in. This

997
00:45:13,869 --> 00:45:14,440
is a pretty big

998
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,719
task. Well we got to keep the vehicle moving forward.

999
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,840
Sometimes you have a flat

1000
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,929
and you have to change the flat which is kind of what we're

1001
00:45:20,929 --> 00:45:22,199
doing. So you have to

1002
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:24,880
kind of get innovative. You just kind of rock that car up

1003
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,000
on two wheels and you

1004
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,059
get some guys out you change the tire and you try to keep

1005
00:45:28,059 --> 00:45:28,840
on moving down the

1006
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:34,039
road and that's what we're attempting to do. So how do we

1007
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:34,320
do this?

1008
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,559
Well we've never done this before. Quite like this with

1009
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:39,079
this large of a

1010
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:41,989
program. So we enlisted some help. Freezin Nichols is an

1011
00:45:41,989 --> 00:45:43,280
engineering consultant

1012
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,989
that we brought on board to help us manage these projects

1013
00:45:46,989 --> 00:45:48,199
and help manage the

1014
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:52,789
program. Once they came on board the end of year 2013 we

1015
00:45:52,789 --> 00:45:53,800
spent several months

1016
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,780
talking to them, talking to other folks within DME and

1017
00:45:57,780 --> 00:45:59,000
other seated apartments.

1018
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,920
How do we do these projects from start to finish and do

1019
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,239
multiple projects at a

1020
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,219
time? We're really good at building one or two substations

1021
00:46:06,219 --> 00:46:06,920
every two or three

1022
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,969
years is what we used to do. Now we're trying to build

1023
00:46:08,969 --> 00:46:10,639
three to five every year

1024
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:14,070
or two so we can meet these electrical needs that the first

1025
00:46:14,070 --> 00:46:15,480
graph showed. So we

1026
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,449
we did some flow charts and process some swim lane diagrams

1027
00:46:19,449 --> 00:46:20,519
. We came up with about

1028
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:23,739
21 different processes that we have to go through and I'll

1029
00:46:23,739 --> 00:46:24,760
show you just a few

1030
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,039
of those real quick. And they mainly worked around site and

1031
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:29,760
route selection,

1032
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,710
land acquisition, permitting, design criteria and

1033
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:34,360
construction methods as far

1034
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,340
as how do we build these projects and complete the program.

1035
00:46:38,340 --> 00:46:39,800
This is very hard

1036
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,719
to see but there's a lot of steps involved. This is one of

1037
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:43,800
those 21 steps

1038
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,480
that we go through. This is just to pick a site or route.

1039
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,679
How do we do this? We

1040
00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:52,179
have different players such as Tignall and Perkins, one of

1041
00:46:52,179 --> 00:46:53,079
our consultants we

1042
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:56,739
use, Power Engineers that does this across the country, DME

1043
00:46:56,739 --> 00:46:57,980
, Freezin Nichols

1044
00:46:57,980 --> 00:47:00,190
working with the right-of-way department, our public

1045
00:47:00,190 --> 00:47:01,280
utility board and our city

1046
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,289
council. So there's six players here and as you go from

1047
00:47:04,289 --> 00:47:05,559
left to right you kind of

1048
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:08,409
look at each task that has to happen and maybe multiple

1049
00:47:08,409 --> 00:47:09,679
players or parties are

1050
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:13,530
involved in each task. Every time you go from one swim lane

1051
00:47:13,530 --> 00:47:14,400
to another you have

1052
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,670
to hand it off to somebody and you expect a review or some

1053
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:18,679
type of comment

1054
00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:21,469
to come back to you or maybe you work hand-in-hand with

1055
00:47:21,469 --> 00:47:22,440
them to accomplish

1056
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,210
this task. So once we get around to get into an open house

1057
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:27,280
where we actually

1058
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,519
meet with the citizens, talk about things that we need to

1059
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:31,719
do, we've had a whole

1060
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,920
host of people involved all the way through city council

1061
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,000
before we even have

1062
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,869
the first open house to say this project's needed. We need

1063
00:47:38,869 --> 00:47:39,480
to get this

1064
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,639
built. How do we do this? Here's some options. Here's some

1065
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:42,480
things we came up.

1066
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,619
Let's take these in front of the community. Let's hear

1067
00:47:45,619 --> 00:47:46,780
their input. Let's

1068
00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:49,280
take the good suggestions that we hear back from them. Let

1069
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,639
's see what ones seem

1070
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:54,409
reasonable and that we can accommodate and come back forth

1071
00:47:54,409 --> 00:47:56,039
with an ultimate

1072
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:59,349
selection of where we get a site selected. And so this

1073
00:47:59,349 --> 00:48:00,440
particular one has

1074
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,710
49 separate tasks just to help pick a site. So it gets over

1075
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:05,519
on the right hand

1076
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,340
side then it comes back over to the left hand side and goes

1077
00:48:08,340 --> 00:48:09,320
over to the end. And

1078
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,079
so there's a lot of tasks involved to help even pick the

1079
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:13,760
site. Once

1080
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,760
the site's picked, an ordinance is written that that's the

1081
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:17,760
site that's picked, we

1082
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,469
then go in and try to acquire that site. We try to buy the

1083
00:48:21,469 --> 00:48:22,719
land, work with the

1084
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,860
landowners. This piece has about 30 separate tasks that are

1085
00:48:26,860 --> 00:48:27,400
involved.

1086
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,400
Sometimes you have willing landowners, sometimes you don't.

1087
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,119
In the end, if you

1088
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:36,090
can't come to agreeable terms and conditions, then you may

1089
00:48:36,090 --> 00:48:37,119
end up having to

1090
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:40,400
go through an eminent domain process. Luckily, we've only

1091
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:41,320
had to file a few

1092
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,500
eminent domain cases. We went to special commissioners here

1093
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:46,559
in one time. We got an

1094
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,320
award, but we've never had to go through the whole process

1095
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,920
at all. And so we I

1096
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,519
think when people really realize that the relocation

1097
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:54,719
packages and some of the

1098
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,719
things, they're very, very generous. It can be a good thing

1099
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,000
. They're

1100
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,599
like, "What? We didn't know that." And so that's the land

1101
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:05,320
acquisition process. After

1102
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,400
that, we end up and we have to go ahead and plait the land

1103
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,159
that we've bought.

1104
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:11,659
This is just a preliminary process to plait the land. This

1105
00:49:11,659 --> 00:49:13,360
one has 13 tasks. It

1106
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,449
does involve the planning department, DRC comments. We

1107
00:49:16,449 --> 00:49:17,519
comply with the DRC

1108
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:20,420
comments and we come back and of course that comes back to

1109
00:49:20,420 --> 00:49:21,480
P&Z for some reviews

1110
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,650
and approvals. And the SUP process, which we're talking

1111
00:49:25,650 --> 00:49:27,480
about trying to improve and

1112
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,380
maybe move some of this up earlier in the process that Mike

1113
00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:31,079
Bell mentioned

1114
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:34,320
earlier, I think this is really a good thing to consider

1115
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:34,960
because it gets

1116
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,739
to hear what the citizens have to say about the site, how's

1117
00:49:37,739 --> 00:49:38,519
it going to look,

1118
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:41,599
and they hear those questions before we ever pick the site,

1119
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:42,480
before we ever buy

1120
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,989
the site, before we ever plait the site, before we then

1121
00:49:44,989 --> 00:49:46,079
could come see you as we

1122
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:48,719
do now. So I think there's some real opportunities to

1123
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,920
improve that process.

1124
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,349
Power engineers helped us with some site evaluation

1125
00:49:54,349 --> 00:49:56,000
criteria. Some of the things

1126
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,179
we looked at were engineering considerations, aesthetics,

1127
00:49:59,179 --> 00:49:59,639
land use,

1128
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:02,599
ecology, and cultural resources and there's many items

1129
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:03,519
under each one of

1130
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:07,500
these subcategories. With that, I'd like to ask Brian Das

1131
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:08,360
combe, he's our

1132
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,489
external affairs manager, come up talk about some of our

1133
00:50:11,489 --> 00:50:12,719
site selection and

1134
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,369
public involvement process and I'll come back up and

1135
00:50:16,369 --> 00:50:18,800
conclude this. Thank you,

1136
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,559
Brent. Good afternoon, Commissioners. As Brent mentioned, I

1137
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:22,440
'm going to quickly go

1138
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,369
through our public involvement process and I'll try to do

1139
00:50:25,369 --> 00:50:26,599
that quickly. Please

1140
00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:29,760
ask any questions that you have. So here it is real simply,

1141
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,039
deceptively simply,

1142
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:34,190
these are the steps we go through. So we start with an open

1143
00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:35,159
house and then move

1144
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:37,190
on to a hearing with the Public Utilities Board and then

1145
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:37,739
with the City

1146
00:50:37,739 --> 00:50:40,369
Council. Now you're, I'm sure, very familiar with public

1147
00:50:40,369 --> 00:50:41,079
hearings and how

1148
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:44,199
those go. I know that you conduct those on a regular basis.

1149
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:45,119
That open house

1150
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:48,420
though, if you haven't been to those, those are meetings

1151
00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:49,599
that we have with the

1152
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:52,340
community. They're informal in the sense that there's no

1153
00:50:52,340 --> 00:50:53,280
central presentation.

1154
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,539
Instead we have about a dozen exhibits set up and the

1155
00:50:56,539 --> 00:50:58,039
public's invited in to

1156
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:00,860
come check those out and say what's the impact going to be

1157
00:51:00,860 --> 00:51:01,880
on my property, what's

1158
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,989
the impact going to be on my neighborhood, and try to get

1159
00:51:04,989 --> 00:51:05,159
an

1160
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:07,800
understanding of how that works. And so some of those

1161
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,119
exhibits that Brent showed

1162
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:13,389
you earlier, for instance, an artist rendering of what the

1163
00:51:13,389 --> 00:51:13,920
substation is

1164
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,360
going to look like, a map, an aerial map that shows where

1165
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,559
it is. We found that

1166
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:19,639
that allows people to come in and talk to us one-on-one.

1167
00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:20,800
They don't have to get

1168
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,929
up and stand in front of a group of people and try to

1169
00:51:22,929 --> 00:51:23,639
present their

1170
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:25,980
question or something like that. So those are helpful. So

1171
00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:27,280
we have that open house.

1172
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,579
That's followed by a hearing with the Public Utilities

1173
00:51:29,579 --> 00:51:30,719
Board. Hey then they can

1174
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,650
get up and make a statement in front of everybody if they

1175
00:51:32,650 --> 00:51:33,960
want to, right? So we've

1176
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,000
had it informally, we've had it formally at the public

1177
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,400
hearing with the PUB, and

1178
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,909
those tend to be in the morning, the Public Utilities Board

1179
00:51:39,909 --> 00:51:40,400
meets in the

1180
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,400
morning, and then an evening meeting with the council for

1181
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,239
another public hearing.

1182
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,280
So we have formal and informal, we have a couple of evening

1183
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,119
meetings and that

1184
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:53,099
one morning meeting. I said this was deceptively simple,

1185
00:51:53,099 --> 00:51:53,840
and one of the

1186
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,150
reasons is that at any point in this process we can get

1187
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:57,039
kicked back to the

1188
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:58,860
beginning of the process, and I really think that's a good

1189
00:51:58,860 --> 00:51:59,639
thing. As much as it

1190
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:01,889
can slow things down, sometimes things need to be slowed

1191
00:52:01,889 --> 00:52:03,019
down. For instance, we

1192
00:52:03,019 --> 00:52:05,530
could have the open house, we present five different

1193
00:52:05,530 --> 00:52:06,719
options, let's say, and

1194
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,619
the public says I don't like any of your options because

1195
00:52:09,619 --> 00:52:10,840
you should have picked a

1196
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,110
sixth option, you should have showed us a sixth option, and

1197
00:52:13,110 --> 00:52:13,960
a lot of times we'll

1198
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,320
look at that and say you're right, that is a good option.

1199
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:17,719
However, it includes a

1200
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,980
new group of people, so we're gonna have another open house

1201
00:52:19,980 --> 00:52:20,760
and we'll start the

1202
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,280
process over. There have been a number of instances where

1203
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,280
just that has happened,

1204
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,460
and that can happen anywhere along the way. We can get

1205
00:52:27,460 --> 00:52:28,239
kicked back to the

1206
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,619
beginning. So that's the general process. To notify people

1207
00:52:32,619 --> 00:52:33,780
for those open houses,

1208
00:52:33,780 --> 00:52:38,219
as well as the public hearings, we send out mailed letters

1209
00:52:38,219 --> 00:52:39,119
and we put a

1210
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:42,289
notification in the dinner record chronicle, we do on-site

1211
00:52:42,289 --> 00:52:43,239
signage, and we

1212
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,760
create a web page for each of the projects so that people

1213
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:46,400
can get more

1214
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,679
information. Now those mailed letters are similar to what

1215
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:50,880
the planning department

1216
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,929
does. The dissimilarity is that they send out a 200-foot

1217
00:52:53,929 --> 00:52:55,039
legal notice and those are

1218
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:58,050
certified mail. None of these are legal notices for us, it

1219
00:52:58,050 --> 00:52:58,480
's just our

1220
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,809
process, and so ours we send out to the 500-foot courtesy

1221
00:53:01,809 --> 00:53:02,840
area and those are all

1222
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,389
just standard mail. So that's currently our process. I also

1223
00:53:05,389 --> 00:53:06,000
want to say on

1224
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,039
on-site signage, I want to make sure that I communicate

1225
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:10,239
those. We try to do

1226
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,880
on-site signage, but if we don't own the property, there

1227
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,400
may be no opportunity for

1228
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,449
us to do that, and so we do our best to do on-site signage

1229
00:53:16,449 --> 00:53:17,599
and sometimes it's

1230
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:22,849
practical and sometimes it isn't. So here's what somebody

1231
00:53:22,849 --> 00:53:24,000
could get in the

1232
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,400
mail. They would have a narrative along with this. There's

1233
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,000
some typed out

1234
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,639
information, but they would have a map. This is a subst

1235
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:31,000
ation map for our Locus

1236
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,719
substation that we did, and we said, okay, here's these

1237
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,440
five different options and

1238
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,989
instead of numbering them, we use colors just because we

1239
00:53:38,989 --> 00:53:40,000
don't indicate that

1240
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,579
there's a preference. We don't know it seemed to be a rank,

1241
00:53:42,579 --> 00:53:43,559
but we are saying,

1242
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:47,090
okay, there's five different options that we're looking at.

1243
00:53:47,090 --> 00:53:47,519
You can see the

1244
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:50,800
existing site and then we're going to draw, and somebody

1245
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:51,639
knows more about

1246
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:56,639
geometry can tell me, but it's a buffer of 500 foot around

1247
00:53:56,639 --> 00:53:56,639
these, around

1248
00:53:56,639 --> 00:53:58,869
each polygon, and so those are overlapping somewhat. I don

1249
00:53:58,869 --> 00:53:59,199
't know if

1250
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:01,630
that's a radius or a, I call it a buffer. I feel safe

1251
00:54:01,630 --> 00:54:03,679
calling it a buffer. All

1252
00:54:03,679 --> 00:54:06,519
right, does anyone know, is anyone going to correct me? All

1253
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:08,360
right, it's strange how

1254
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,449
we started talking about geometry there in the middle of my

1255
00:54:10,449 --> 00:54:11,400
presentation, wasn't it?

1256
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,199
Sorry. Okay, so there they can see, here's the sites that

1257
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:15,440
are being

1258
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,769
considered, and a lot of times somebody can look at this

1259
00:54:18,769 --> 00:54:20,039
and say, do I care to

1260
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:21,739
show up for this meeting? If it's some, if they're, you

1261
00:54:21,739 --> 00:54:22,679
know, if they're thinking

1262
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:25,280
about putting a substation on the courthouse lawn, buddy, I

1263
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:25,880
'm coming to the

1264
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,480
meeting and let them know what I think. You might wonder

1265
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,719
where we got the 500

1266
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,320
foot notification. That was through two different sources.

1267
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,000
We talked to the

1268
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,039
planning department and they said the furthest we ever go

1269
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:36,480
out is 500 feet, but

1270
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,059
we also talked to Power Engineers, which is an engineering

1271
00:54:39,059 --> 00:54:40,480
consulting firm that

1272
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,280
does public involvement across the country for electric

1273
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,360
projects, and they

1274
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,320
said the furthest we've ever seen anyone go out is 500 feet

1275
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,280
. So for projects that

1276
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,900
are bigger than anything the Denton's ever going to do, 500

1277
00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:51,639
feet is the furthest

1278
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:53,860
we've ever gone out, and we said, okay, we're going to hit

1279
00:54:53,860 --> 00:54:54,800
the maximum for both our

1280
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,400
planning department and for what this consulting firm has

1281
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,960
seen. So citizens

1282
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:07,519
that are included on a project, they have the opportunity

1283
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:09,079
to influence us

1284
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:11,900
and the final decision makers through web comment forms. We

1285
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:13,199
put surveys on those

1286
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,800
web pages I mentioned. They can talk to us one-on-one in

1287
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,320
the open house and

1288
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,750
get information, but also give information there, and they

1289
00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:21,440
have a

1290
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,800
hearing both with the PB and with the City Council. So

1291
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,440
those are their opportunities for input.

1292
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,420
So that's all I have on public involvement. Are there any

1293
00:55:30,420 --> 00:55:30,920
specific

1294
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,440
questions that I can answer? All right. Oh, yes, sir.

1295
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:39,159
Commissioner Beck. Thank you. Signage. Yes, sir. You get a

1296
00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:43,519
lot of complaints on the size of the signs. How big are the

1297
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:44,440
signs?

1298
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:49,719
Are they your typical yard signs? So those are, I think

1299
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:54,440
those are 24 by 36. Okay.

1300
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:59,900
Commissioner Hatchbuth. Thank you, Chair. Following kind of

1301
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:03,269
that same thought, the green card, you sent out certified

1302
00:56:03,269 --> 00:56:05,440
mail? Is that what you said?

1303
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,099
No, sir. Just regular mail? That's right, because it's all

1304
00:56:07,099 --> 00:56:10,440
courtesy mail, so it's non-certified. Okay.

1305
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,090
Is there, so there's, but there's a spreadsheet or

1306
00:56:13,090 --> 00:56:16,440
something, some sort of distribution list of some sort?

1307
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,440
Absolutely.

1308
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,670
And we send those out to, and I appreciate the opportunity

1309
00:56:20,670 --> 00:56:23,320
to clarify, we send that out to any resident within the 500

1310
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,440
feet and also any landowner.

1311
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,289
So if you're a renter, you get it. If you're a landlord,

1312
00:56:27,289 --> 00:56:29,170
but who doesn't live there, then you're going to get it as

1313
00:56:29,170 --> 00:56:29,440
well.

1314
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,849
And then is that list subsequently posted or is that, I don

1315
00:56:33,849 --> 00:56:37,440
't know if you can. I don't know what the rules are.

1316
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,769
But here's, along with Larry, I think most often I hear

1317
00:56:40,769 --> 00:56:43,880
complaints about, well I didn't get it. I was never

1318
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:44,440
notified.

1319
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,170
Yeah. Yes. And so I think it would maybe be in my mind just

1320
00:56:49,170 --> 00:56:52,440
, hey, we sent it and here's a spreadsheet that's posted,

1321
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,440
you know, that people can check periodically.

1322
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,940
I don't know what rules kind of govern that, but I just, I

1323
00:56:58,940 --> 00:57:04,440
hear that a lot. Okay. That I didn't know.

1324
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,409
And one thing we've batted around is the idea of including

1325
00:57:07,409 --> 00:57:09,889
that in the backup to the city council and the public

1326
00:57:09,889 --> 00:57:13,980
utilities board so that it's technically a public document

1327
00:57:13,980 --> 00:57:15,440
and people can find it if they need to.

1328
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,800
But we're not, you know, we're not putting people's public,

1329
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,260
even though it is public information, we want to respect

1330
00:57:20,260 --> 00:57:21,440
their privacy as well.

1331
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,320
And so perhaps that's a good middle way to do it. I think

1332
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,440
that's a good concern.

1333
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:34,440
All right. Thank you, Ryan. Appreciate that.

1334
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,570
This is our entire CIP program. This is a Gantt chart. On

1335
00:57:38,570 --> 00:57:42,260
the left hand side, there's over 2000 separate line items

1336
00:57:42,260 --> 00:57:45,440
that we have to accomplish to do each of these projects.

1337
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,519
We've rolled those up into these individual projects, and

1338
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:53,250
it has a timeline across the top. The blue line is, it

1339
00:57:53,250 --> 00:57:56,989
shows where we at in all of the projects that we have to do

1340
00:57:56,989 --> 00:57:57,440
.

1341
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,559
I think kind of an interesting thing to note is there's

1342
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:02,179
some of the projects that we've completed, some that we're

1343
00:58:02,179 --> 00:58:03,440
in the middle of doing.

1344
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,199
And of course, there's others wrote that have rolled off

1345
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:09,000
the top that just because you can't read it, we close those

1346
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:09,440
up.

1347
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,579
Don't show them on this chart. And there's some projects

1348
00:58:12,579 --> 00:58:14,440
here that we have yet to do in the future.

1349
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,599
I think this next chart is a little bit easier to read. It

1350
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:20,659
's the same type of chart, but we broke each of those

1351
00:58:20,659 --> 00:58:23,440
horizontal lines into four different categories.

1352
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,440
We broke them into route and site selection, land and eas

1353
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,440
ement acquisition, permitting and construction.

1354
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,449
So at a glance, you can look at a project and see what

1355
00:58:32,449 --> 00:58:34,440
phase of that project is it in.

1356
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,440
So these are some that we've completed construction on.

1357
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,469
These are some that are either beginning or in the middle

1358
00:58:39,469 --> 00:58:40,440
of the construction.

1359
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:45,440
And these are some that the construction has not begun yet.

1360
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,440
We do hold project meetings for all of these projects and

1361
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,769
for the entire program every single Thursday at 1685

1362
00:58:52,769 --> 00:58:55,210
Spencer at the DME Operation Engineering and Operations

1363
00:58:55,210 --> 00:58:55,440
Center.

1364
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,570
We meet. There's about a dozen DME staff, engineering

1365
00:58:59,570 --> 00:59:03,659
consultants, some legal consultants, other city of Denton

1366
00:59:03,659 --> 00:59:07,440
departments such as legal, right away, purchasing.

1367
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,800
We all get together to talk about each and every one of the

1368
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,639
projects. And we have a sheet where are we at on this

1369
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:13,440
project?

1370
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,170
What have we done? What do we have yet to do? Is there any

1371
00:59:16,170 --> 00:59:19,659
roadblocks or any things that we need to maybe reallocate

1372
00:59:19,659 --> 00:59:24,440
resources so we can try to keep the project moving forward?

1373
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,710
And so we do that every single Thursday. It becomes rather

1374
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:32,039
lengthy. We start at 930. It seems like it rarely gets over

1375
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:33,440
before 130 or two.

1376
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:38,119
And so it's very in depth every single week on these

1377
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:39,440
projects.

1378
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,440
This is a different way of looking at some of the projects.

1379
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,579
We did the open house here, the route site selection, land

1380
00:59:45,579 --> 00:59:48,440
acquisition, permitting and completion date.

1381
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,420
The green items have already been completed. The blue items

1382
00:59:52,420 --> 00:59:56,599
are in process. So we have many different ways to help

1383
00:59:56,599 --> 01:00:01,440
manage this large CIP program and all these projects.

1384
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,969
I think that this little animated chart will kind of show

1385
01:00:04,969 --> 01:00:08,179
you how much progress that we've made in just a short

1386
01:00:08,179 --> 01:00:09,440
amount of time.

1387
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,539
This was in 2013. We'd already began some of these projects

1388
01:00:13,539 --> 01:00:15,440
before Freeze and Nichols came on.

1389
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,750
After they came on, we came up with the swim lanes, the

1390
01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:20,440
process flow diagrams.

1391
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,659
At the end of that year, I'm going to hit this next mouse

1392
01:00:23,659 --> 01:00:27,119
click and you can actually see how different projects have

1393
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:29,440
moved from category to category.

1394
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:41,440
And here we go.

1395
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,880
So that's what we did in the year 2013 to 2014 on the

1396
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,440
entire CIP program and some of these projects.

1397
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,849
This next slide will start off where the last one just left

1398
01:00:51,849 --> 01:00:54,869
off. And this is what we showed council on December the 8th

1399
01:00:54,869 --> 01:00:55,440
as well.

1400
01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:09,099
We do this past year from 2014 to 2015. And here's this

1401
01:01:09,099 --> 01:01:16,440
mouse click.

1402
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,869
If you stop and kind of reflect on all of those process

1403
01:01:19,869 --> 01:01:24,230
swim lanes, those 20 different processes, I just showed you

1404
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:26,190
four of them. You think of all the tasks that have to

1405
01:01:26,190 --> 01:01:26,440
happen.

1406
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,710
We're very, very busy. We really want to get these projects

1407
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:33,619
out in front of the public. We want to get their input. We

1408
01:01:33,619 --> 01:01:36,440
want to consider their comments.

1409
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,219
And then we want to comply with all the DRC comments that

1410
01:01:39,219 --> 01:01:41,440
we get back from them and get them built.

1411
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,150
So with that, I'd be happy, Brian, I'd be happy to answer

1412
01:01:45,150 --> 01:01:48,829
any questions that you might have about the electric side

1413
01:01:48,829 --> 01:01:51,440
of things on any of our CIP projects.

1414
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,440
Commissioner Taylor. Thank you, Chair.

1415
01:01:54,440 --> 01:02:00,880
I just have a couple of questions on that very first map,

1416
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,440
the very first system diagram.

1417
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,250
And kind of the very first slide and the very last slide

1418
01:02:07,250 --> 01:02:10,500
kind of tying together. So basically there are stations and

1419
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:11,440
there are lines.

1420
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,289
And you said everything green is being updated and

1421
01:02:14,289 --> 01:02:17,440
everything yellow, basically. Is that correct?

1422
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:22,309
All of the light colored green lines is our existing 69,000

1423
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:26,440
volt system. And that is all being converted to 138 kV.

1424
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,170
And then every basically every yellow dot that touches the

1425
01:02:30,170 --> 01:02:33,440
green line, is that those are the substations?

1426
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,440
These are the substations if they have a number on them.

1427
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,659
These are the projects that we have approved CIP budget

1428
01:02:39,659 --> 01:02:41,440
funds for to implement.

1429
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,389
And we look at a five year program when the Public Utility

1430
01:02:44,389 --> 01:02:47,440
Board and City Council reviews our budget each year.

1431
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,949
And so as you get closer into the five year program, you

1432
01:02:49,949 --> 01:02:52,579
know of some new things that you didn't really realize the

1433
01:02:52,579 --> 01:02:53,440
first part.

1434
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,440
And so that's kind of a constantly evolving process.

1435
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,400
But these are the projects that have been identified that

1436
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,440
do resolve the FERC 715 issues that we've noted.

1437
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,579
And on the last slide there appeared to be about five

1438
01:03:05,579 --> 01:03:08,869
projects. I think it was two or three stations and two or

1439
01:03:08,869 --> 01:03:13,440
three lines that were in site selection.

1440
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,440
We're kind of early in the process. I guess six.

1441
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,750
This Mayhill substation actually we have a site selection

1442
01:03:20,750 --> 01:03:23,860
public involvement hearing with the City Council next

1443
01:03:23,860 --> 01:03:24,440
Tuesday.

1444
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,329
On this on the 16th we've already gone through the Public

1445
01:03:27,329 --> 01:03:29,440
Utility Board site selection for that.

1446
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,869
The reason that that stayed there for a while is we've been

1447
01:03:31,869 --> 01:03:34,139
working with the landowners one landowner that has all

1448
01:03:34,139 --> 01:03:37,070
these possible sites we thought we were going to come to an

1449
01:03:37,070 --> 01:03:37,440
arrangement.

1450
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,369
We're picking the site that they wanted us to put where on

1451
01:03:40,369 --> 01:03:43,219
their property. We just haven't been able to arrive at the

1452
01:03:43,219 --> 01:03:44,440
actual dollar amount.

1453
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,599
So we'll be having that on Tuesday. Next week, a pockers

1454
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:51,269
dispenser. That's another segment that we're looking at

1455
01:03:51,269 --> 01:03:52,440
trying to get done.

1456
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,949
Underwood substations on the southwest side of town over by

1457
01:03:55,949 --> 01:03:57,440
the Coal Ranch property.

1458
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:02,440
We're working with the Coal Ranch people and also Hillview,

1459
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,900
I believe the Ross Perot folks have a lot of land out there

1460
01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:05,440
as well.

1461
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,889
Eagle substations, one you've probably seen on the front

1462
01:04:07,889 --> 01:04:09,440
page of the paper several times.

1463
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,559
That some sites have now been removed off of that. It's

1464
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:13,440
actually a good move to do that.

1465
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,690
There's some other opportunities that we're pursuing to see

1466
01:04:16,690 --> 01:04:18,440
how we can accommodate that.

1467
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,530
North Lakes to Denton North. That is an existing route of a

1468
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:24,440
transmission line. We're going to rebuild it in place.

1469
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,920
We'll be having an open house with the citizens just to

1470
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,440
rebuild that in place.

1471
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,170
And then the Spencer Locust line. That's going to be a very

1472
01:04:33,170 --> 01:04:34,440
complex project.

1473
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,940
And it's much needed, but it's a very dense area between

1474
01:04:37,940 --> 01:04:39,440
those two stations.

1475
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:45,440
So is whenever it went from the previous year to this year,

1476
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,440
probably 15 or 20 new items slid on.

1477
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,599
Are there additional items in a backlog that are not yet on

1478
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:52,440
this slide?

1479
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,420
All of those would be shown on some of these Gantt charts

1480
01:04:56,420 --> 01:04:57,440
right here.

1481
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,030
Like I said, there's over 2,000 line items that have been

1482
01:05:00,030 --> 01:05:01,440
rolled up into these projects.

1483
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:05,760
So there would be some of these projects that we might not

1484
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,440
have moved into those categories.

1485
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,440
But some of those, if you actually look at this diagram,

1486
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,440
some of these we don't have to do an open house or site

1487
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:14,440
selection

1488
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,869
because they're small projects within an existing station

1489
01:05:17,869 --> 01:05:20,440
where we just reconfigure it, add some new equipment.

1490
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,869
And so it's just take an existing site and there's not any

1491
01:05:23,869 --> 01:05:27,130
of these really time involved tasks that are involved in

1492
01:05:27,130 --> 01:05:27,440
that.

1493
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:28,440
Great questions.

1494
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,699
Yeah, so that's really my question. Are there any more,

1495
01:05:31,699 --> 01:05:34,440
apart from those six that you have outlined,

1496
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,940
do you expect any more kind of major public involvement,

1497
01:05:37,940 --> 01:05:41,440
like site, site, what do you call it, site?

1498
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,440
Site selection.

1499
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,869
Site selection and public involvement processes outside

1500
01:05:46,869 --> 01:05:49,440
those six? Or is that pretty much the last on the list?

1501
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,719
From the very first slide that you talked about here, there

1502
01:05:51,719 --> 01:05:54,440
's some that are way out in the future, such as this 18,

1503
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,699
which would be a new substation possibly on a Brazos

1504
01:05:57,699 --> 01:06:01,440
Electric Power Cooperative line out over in this area.

1505
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,849
We're working right now with the landowner on the hills of

1506
01:06:03,849 --> 01:06:05,440
Denton or the Long Road substation.

1507
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,280
And so, yeah, there's some that are way out there, but they

1508
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,440
're actually on the approved budget list.

1509
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,579
And I guess my final question. So you do have a coal ranch,

1510
01:06:14,579 --> 01:06:18,440
future potential development kind of west of coal.

1511
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,440
Sorry, yeah, coal ranch.

1512
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,320
Coal ranch would be right here in this area on the

1513
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:22,440
southwest side of town.

1514
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,440
And you're already building a substation for it, basically?

1515
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,539
We already have a site designated for it because of that

1516
01:06:27,539 --> 01:06:30,440
low growth. We'll have to have a substation in that area.

1517
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,639
And of course, just north of there is the Artie Wells, and

1518
01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:36,940
it's a heavy industrial area. We need these to back up each

1519
01:06:36,940 --> 01:06:38,440
other being that close.

1520
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,409
And then you have Hills of Denton North, number four,

1521
01:06:41,409 --> 01:06:44,039
future growth. And then number 18, I don't think there's a

1522
01:06:44,039 --> 01:06:46,440
specific large plan, but there's growth in that area.

1523
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,639
Those are just some areas that we have the capability

1524
01:06:48,639 --> 01:06:50,440
through the Public Utility Commission.

1525
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,079
They're either dual or triple certified that we can serve

1526
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:54,440
new customers out there.

1527
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,219
And at this point, are there any in the next five, 10 years

1528
01:06:58,219 --> 01:07:02,769
, are there any areas where not on this map that there's

1529
01:07:02,769 --> 01:07:04,440
growth that you think will be a challenge?

1530
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,079
Or have you all planned out for this is a 10 year or 20

1531
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:09,440
year kind of plan?

1532
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,610
Yeah, as I mentioned, we looked at the chart above here as

1533
01:07:13,610 --> 01:07:18,440
far as the forecast 436 megawatts in the year 2022.

1534
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,789
That's a lot of growth considering we've had 350. And if

1535
01:07:21,789 --> 01:07:25,440
you look, if this was a linear graph from 1960 to now,

1536
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,139
which it's not, because as you notice, if you go straight

1537
01:07:28,139 --> 01:07:29,440
here, it starts to slope up.

1538
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,559
If you go straight here, it starts to slope up. It

1539
01:07:31,559 --> 01:07:35,769
continues to kind of trend upward. So it's steeper. So it's

1540
01:07:35,769 --> 01:07:36,440
not linear.

1541
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,050
But if it was linear, it'd be about a six and a half megaw

1542
01:07:39,050 --> 01:07:40,440
att increase per year.

1543
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,929
And as long as it takes to build these stations, we have to

1544
01:07:43,929 --> 01:07:46,980
have several years ahead of time to go through this process

1545
01:07:46,980 --> 01:07:49,440
to solicit citizen input and get it built.

1546
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,599
It's always better as hills of Denton up north when it's

1547
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:53,440
one landowner and no one lives around it.

1548
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,550
They want to get you a site. We want to jump on that

1549
01:07:55,550 --> 01:07:58,420
opportunity. We want to select the site. We want to get it

1550
01:07:58,420 --> 01:07:59,440
built there.

1551
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,559
So once it's there, people go, well, I want this vacant

1552
01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:05,659
land around this. But if it wasn't there and people have

1553
01:08:05,659 --> 01:08:08,710
that and you try to put one there, it might be a different

1554
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:09,440
story.

1555
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,440
Commissioner Danowitz.

1556
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,969
Back to the original chart. You're talking about coal ran

1557
01:08:14,969 --> 01:08:19,670
ches. Isn't there a Hunter's Ranch sub-agency in Los Alam

1558
01:08:19,670 --> 01:08:20,439
itos?

1559
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:21,439
It's too big.

1560
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:22,439
Arizona?

1561
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:23,439
No, it's just to the south.

1562
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:24,439
To the south?

1563
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:25,439
No, it's worse.

1564
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,619
Oh, over here in this area? I believe that's down here on

1565
01:08:28,619 --> 01:08:29,439
this area.

1566
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,439
And that has adequate region to feed off of?

1567
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,439
It feed off this Underwood substation.

1568
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,989
Now down in this area, there are certain areas when you get

1569
01:08:36,989 --> 01:08:41,439
south of 2449 right here, there's only a small section that

1570
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,439
the City of Denton or DME can serve being an MOU.

1571
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:48,060
Part of the public utility commissions, they have some

1572
01:08:48,060 --> 01:08:51,909
boundaries and some of this becomes single certified for co

1573
01:08:51,909 --> 01:08:55,439
-serve to where we can't serve that far down there.

1574
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:56,439
Commissioner Rossell.

1575
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,439
Thank you, Chair.

1576
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:03,239
How much megawatts does one substation increase to the

1577
01:09:03,239 --> 01:09:04,439
capacity?

1578
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:08,409
For each of these, I'll say the typical substation, we have

1579
01:09:08,409 --> 01:09:12,020
two substation transformers in them. Each size of the

1580
01:09:12,020 --> 01:09:16,439
transformer is a 15, 20, 25 MVA transformer.

1581
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,840
And what that means, if you take the middle number, it's

1582
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,439
good for 20 megawatts, or the top number is 25.

1583
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,869
The reason there's three numbers is one is with it running

1584
01:09:24,869 --> 01:09:28,159
without any fans blowing across it, just the normal base

1585
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:30,439
rating, low rating of 15 MVA.

1586
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,199
If it becomes hot enough, the unit gets heat, then you

1587
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:36,079
might kick on the first stage of fans, it blows air across

1588
01:09:36,079 --> 01:09:38,979
the cooling radiators, because transformers are a thermal

1589
01:09:38,979 --> 01:09:40,439
device, you have to keep them cool.

1590
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,050
And that's the second rating, the 20 MVA. If it becomes a

1591
01:09:44,050 --> 01:09:46,439
very hot day and the fans run and they run even all night

1592
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,899
because it's trying to cool it off from heating up during

1593
01:09:48,899 --> 01:09:52,390
the day, then you have the capability of running 25 MVA

1594
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:53,439
through that.

1595
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,750
And that's at 55 degrees C. And there is another rating

1596
01:09:56,750 --> 01:09:59,550
that you're allowed to use under emergency loading

1597
01:09:59,550 --> 01:10:04,010
conditions, that's a 65 degrees C rating that raises that

1598
01:10:04,010 --> 01:10:06,439
25 number up to 28 MVA.

1599
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:10,439
Thank you.

1600
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:11,439
Commissioner Rosbeth.

1601
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:19,800
So from the public awareness perspective, does DME do some

1602
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:26,439
sort of outside of the meeting, some sort of educationals,

1603
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:30,840
because for me, I understand the numbers, but I have

1604
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:32,439
nothing to quantify the numbers.

1605
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:41,689
So a one megawatt might as well be a one mega giga. I have

1606
01:10:41,689 --> 01:10:44,100
nothing to associate that with, and I think that is where

1607
01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:47,569
the, if I'm reading the tea leaves right with the people I

1608
01:10:47,569 --> 01:10:50,439
speak with, that's the disconnect, right?

1609
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:54,279
Because your warning of something that, hey, we've got to

1610
01:10:54,279 --> 01:10:58,220
get in front of this, but what is this? What is, what, you

1611
01:10:58,220 --> 01:11:02,439
know, there's nothing tangible at the end of that warning.

1612
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:06,439
Obviously, I get it, that it's bad, but what does bad mean?

1613
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,439
You know, so that sort of thing.

1614
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,100
So does the, I guess the trunk-created question is, does DM

1615
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:15,479
E offer some sort of outside of, hey, we want to come see

1616
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,010
you because we want to build something, just hey, we want

1617
01:11:19,010 --> 01:11:22,630
to come see you because we want to build relationship, and

1618
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:24,439
we want to educate you, we want to give you a day in the

1619
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,770
life of our world, and here's this, touch it, feel it, you

1620
01:11:27,770 --> 01:11:31,199
know, shock yourself, you know, all that good stuff so you

1621
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:34,439
can understand this is what we're helping you with.

1622
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,880
That sounds like an external affair question, and our

1623
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,460
manager of that, Brian Dascombe, probably would have an

1624
01:11:39,460 --> 01:11:40,439
answer for that.

1625
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:44,279
No, sir. You just stand in the light right there. That's

1626
01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:46,439
good.

1627
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:48,439
Oh, yes, you do.

1628
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,229
I hope this will answer your question. So I remember a few

1629
01:11:51,229 --> 01:11:53,720
years ago, we said, you know, we do need to be out more in

1630
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,439
the public eye, we need to be accessible to the public.

1631
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,750
Let's have a town hall meeting, we'll invite all of our

1632
01:11:58,750 --> 01:12:01,119
customers, and we'll say anything that you want to talk

1633
01:12:01,119 --> 01:12:03,640
about regarding electricity, please come talk to us about

1634
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:04,439
it, right?

1635
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,939
So we got all the staff, we had plenty of engineers there,

1636
01:12:06,939 --> 01:12:09,300
we had plenty of program managers there, we really had

1637
01:12:09,300 --> 01:12:10,439
everyone we needed.

1638
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,409
And maybe there were a dozen staff members or something

1639
01:12:13,409 --> 01:12:16,439
like that, and then two members of the public came.

1640
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,159
So this is a little embarrassing, right? We threw a party,

1641
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:21,439
and it was an awkward party. People didn't really care.

1642
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,520
So we thought, okay, well, that's interesting. We did a

1643
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,899
couple of those awkward parties. And then we built a

1644
01:12:26,899 --> 01:12:28,750
transmission line that was going to impact people in their

1645
01:12:28,750 --> 01:12:29,439
homes, right?

1646
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,079
We were going to have to buy additional easement from

1647
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:33,489
people. In some cases, homes potentially were going to have

1648
01:12:33,489 --> 01:12:35,439
to be demolished for this transmission line.

1649
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,130
And we thought, well, we've had meetings before, and we

1650
01:12:37,130 --> 01:12:39,609
know that no one really shows up to them. And so we booked

1651
01:12:39,609 --> 01:12:42,180
a space. It was a church. It was plenty big, it seemed to

1652
01:12:42,180 --> 01:12:42,439
us.

1653
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,119
We had room for probably 60 people. Well, about 250 people

1654
01:12:45,119 --> 01:12:48,859
showed up. They flooded that meeting, and it was overcrow

1655
01:12:48,859 --> 01:12:49,439
ded.

1656
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,600
And we've learned since then, and we have plenty of space

1657
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,119
for our meetings. I tell that story to say, I would say

1658
01:12:55,119 --> 01:12:59,439
that a lot of people, if we say, come here tonight to learn

1659
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,439
what an MVA is and how it relates to a megawatt,

1660
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,680
they're going to say, you know, I think I'm going to stay

1661
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,039
home and maybe watch TV or something. They're not that

1662
01:13:07,039 --> 01:13:08,439
interested in the technical part.

1663
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,659
But when it starts to impact their home, it becomes

1664
01:13:10,659 --> 01:13:12,439
suddenly very interesting to them.

1665
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,869
What we found is in our open house meetings, the most

1666
01:13:14,869 --> 01:13:17,520
popular exhibits are the ones that have an image that shows

1667
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,539
, here's what we're talking about. Here's what we're talking

1668
01:13:20,539 --> 01:13:21,439
about putting up.

1669
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,399
They're not as concerned about the size of the transformers

1670
01:13:24,399 --> 01:13:27,439
in the substation as the visual impact of the substation.

1671
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,869
And so we do have that information available as far as we

1672
01:13:30,869 --> 01:13:34,180
have a, for each project, we have a multi-page description

1673
01:13:34,180 --> 01:13:37,229
of what this thing is, how it impacts the electrical system

1674
01:13:37,229 --> 01:13:37,439
.

1675
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,390
And while I don't have the exact numbers on how many people

1676
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:43,159
read that, I'm going to guess that those aren't on the

1677
01:13:43,159 --> 01:13:45,439
nightstands of a lot of our customers.

1678
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,539
Instead, they want to know from us, how's this going to

1679
01:13:47,539 --> 01:13:50,439
impact my property? Does that answer the question?

1680
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:53,439
>> It does, and I agree.

1681
01:13:53,439 --> 01:14:00,439
But I think it's more, there is no connection.

1682
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,539
So when you're talking, people don't want to know the

1683
01:14:03,539 --> 01:14:06,609
numbers, I agree, but why is it important to know the

1684
01:14:06,609 --> 01:14:07,439
numbers?

1685
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:13,939
I guess that's, I think that's the emphasis, and maybe it's

1686
01:14:13,939 --> 01:14:15,439
not the adult crowd we're shooting at.

1687
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:19,859
Maybe it's the young college kids, or maybe it's just a day

1688
01:14:19,859 --> 01:14:23,439
at the mall when people are walking around.

1689
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:27,989
And I don't know, I'll think about it and ask some

1690
01:14:27,989 --> 01:14:30,439
questions in the area.

1691
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:35,439
But I think, I just think that there is an appeal.

1692
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,020
There is a, because I had an issue at my home with the

1693
01:14:38,020 --> 01:14:40,689
transform outs, the lights were flashing, they were

1694
01:14:40,689 --> 01:14:41,439
blinking.

1695
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,439
And I just thought it was commonplace.

1696
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,439
And I call and there was something out on the pole.

1697
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,439
I mean, so that's just, I didn't know who to call.

1698
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:51,439
I didn't know what the symptoms were.

1699
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:53,439
I didn't know anything.

1700
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,439
Okay, well, it keeps flashing.

1701
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:57,810
I should probably look and see what it is, or call and see

1702
01:14:57,810 --> 01:14:58,439
what it is.

1703
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,670
So I think there's some of those kind of almost outreach

1704
01:15:01,670 --> 01:15:04,439
type things you could do kind of in advance.

1705
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,659
But I'll frame that a bit and maybe I'll get your email

1706
01:15:07,659 --> 01:15:08,439
address.

1707
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:09,439
Absolutely, and that's helpful.

1708
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:10,439
I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

1709
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:11,439
Okay, thank you.

1710
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:19,439
Thank you.

1711
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:26,779
Any other questions that we can answer for the commission

1712
01:15:26,779 --> 01:15:29,439
while we're here?

1713
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:33,439
Okay, Commissioner Hutsmith.

1714
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:35,439
One last thing that I wrote down.

1715
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:40,210
Your first slide, did it say reasonable requests from the

1716
01:15:40,210 --> 01:15:41,439
practical?

1717
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,689
Yeah, there are some things that we receive like, well, we

1718
01:15:43,689 --> 01:15:46,439
don't even want to indent and put it up in some other area.

1719
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:50,310
Well, as you noticed, the substations have to be somewhat

1720
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:53,439
close to where the electrical load need is.

1721
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,250
And so we may get all kinds of suggestions, but from an

1722
01:15:56,250 --> 01:16:00,439
engineering perspective, it's really not practical.

1723
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:01,439
Right.

1724
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,060
But they're good comments, and if we can help them

1725
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:06,579
understand why that is, we want to help the citizens

1726
01:16:06,579 --> 01:16:07,439
understand that.

1727
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:11,939
Again, outside looking in, that would be, if I were

1728
01:16:11,939 --> 01:16:16,439
sensitive, to say that my input's not practical.

1729
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,439
I mean, I don't know if there's a better word.

1730
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,439
I'm not a wordsmith at all.

1731
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,489
But if you find a good word for us that means similar to

1732
01:16:23,489 --> 01:16:25,439
that, we would be more than happy to start.

1733
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,260
Yeah, I mean, because the only option is it's not practical

1734
01:16:27,260 --> 01:16:27,439
.

1735
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,439
My idea is not practical.

1736
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,439
It's hard to change the law of physics.

1737
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,720
Electricity only behaves in certain manners, and we just

1738
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,439
tried to accommodate that.

1739
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:37,439
Sure.

1740
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:38,439
OK.

1741
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:39,439
Thank you.

1742
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,439
Any other questions?

1743
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:42,439
Thank you all so much for coming.

1744
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:43,439
Thank you.

1745
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:44,439
Thank you.

1746
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:45,439
Thank you.

1747
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:46,439
Thank you.

1748
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:47,439
Thank you.

1749
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:48,439
Thank you.

1750
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,380
We have one other item I think, unfortunately, we're going

1751
01:16:51,380 --> 01:16:53,439
to run out of time, is to finish

1752
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:57,010
up the report we started last time on our pedestrian and

1753
01:16:57,010 --> 01:16:58,439
bicycle linkage.

1754
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:04,199
I think what we're going to do is we're going to close our

1755
01:17:04,199 --> 01:17:07,439
work session and reconvene in

1756
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,439
council chambers in public.

1757
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,109
I don't know if we're going to be able to, depending on how

1758
01:17:12,109 --> 01:17:13,439
quickly that goes, we may

1759
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,439
be able to come back and finish that item.

1760
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,869
And if our meeting runs long, this evening we will have to

1761
01:17:18,869 --> 01:17:20,439
come back and have this at

1762
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,439
our next meeting.

1763
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:23,439
So if--

1764
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:24,439
How long is that presentation?

1765
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:25,439
Because I'm looking at a deck here.

1766
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:26,439
It's told 20 minutes.

1767
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,439
I think it's going to take hours to go through.

1768
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:29,439
I'm just wondering.

1769
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,439
I was told 20 minutes.

1770
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:32,439
I'm just relaying.

1771
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:33,439
Really?

1772
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:34,439
Congratulations on getting through it.

1773
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:35,439
I'm about halfway.

1774
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:36,439
I had a slow night.

1775
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:37,439
I've got a little more--

1776
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:42,439
I mean, I'm just saying, is 20 minutes going to be enough?

1777
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:46,800
Well, I think another issue, I think maybe one of our

1778
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,439
commissioners that's not here would

1779
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,439
like to have some additional time to talk about that.

1780
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,100
I think we may have somebody that needs to get out this

1781
01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:54,439
evening.

1782
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:58,050
So I think what we're going to do is for tonight, we're

1783
01:17:58,050 --> 01:17:59,439
just going to ask that that ought to

1784
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:02,439
be moved to our next work session.

1785
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:07,060
And I think the other question that's come up is if

1786
01:18:07,060 --> 01:18:10,439
commissioners would be available

1787
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,630
possibly earlier for our next work session, since we-- it's

1788
01:18:13,630 --> 01:18:14,439
our last two now.

1789
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,439
We've run over and haven't had to come back.

1790
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:18,439
If we can come in at--

1791
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:19,439
430.

1792
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:20,439
430?

1793
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,920
And I guess staff will send that out and let us know, and

1794
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,439
we'll just have to poll and see

1795
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:26,439
if that's possible.

1796
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:27,439
What's that dangerous curiosity?

1797
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:28,439
24.

1798
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:29,439
24.

1799
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:38,479
I think we'll have-- staff will get back to us about

1800
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,439
possibly our next work session starting

1801
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:45,189
at 430, and commissioners can check their schedules and see

1802
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:46,439
if that will work or if

1803
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:47,439
not.

1804
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,180
We'll have to deal with it at some point here in the future

1805
01:18:50,180 --> 01:18:50,439
.

1806
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:54,539
So at 626, I'm going to close our work session for this

1807
01:18:54,539 --> 01:18:55,439
evening.

1808
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:56,439
Thank you.

1809
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:32,960
Good evening, and welcome to the City of Denton Planning

1810
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:42,439
and Zoning Commission meeting.

1811
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,439
It is 635.

1812
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:48,439
Our meeting was duly posted, and we have a forum present.

1813
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,520
And I call our meeting to order, and our first item of

1814
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,439
business is to stand and say the pledge

1815
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,439
of allegiance to the U.S. and the Texas flag.

1816
01:19:56,439 --> 01:20:01,600
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

1817
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,439
America and to the republic for

1818
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:08,970
which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with

1819
01:20:08,970 --> 01:20:12,439
liberty and justice for all.

1820
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:16,819
I pledge allegiance to the Texas flag and to the United

1821
01:20:16,819 --> 01:20:19,439
States of America, one nation

1822
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:29,439
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

1823
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,439
This is a point of order on our agenda tonight.

1824
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:38,439
We have one item that has been continued to March 23rd.

1825
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:43,439
That is going to be our item D, DCA 16-001.

1826
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:47,550
So if anyone's here for that item, again, that item has

1827
01:20:47,550 --> 01:20:50,439
been continued to March 23rd.

1828
01:20:50,439 --> 01:21:09,439
With that said, we will move on to our consent agenda.

1829
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,439
Commissioner Dudowitz.

1830
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:12,439
Thank you, Chair.

1831
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,439
I move to approve the consent agenda.

1832
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:16,439
Commissioner Taylor.

1833
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:17,439
Second.

1834
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,439
A first and a second, any discussion?

1835
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:34,439
Seeing none, I will call for a vote on the board.

1836
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:40,439
Motion passes 6-0.

1837
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,439
Next item we have will be a public hearing.

1838
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:51,439
So I will open the public hearing for item A, FR 15-0013.

1839
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:52,439
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1840
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:57,020
I'll ask Julie Wyatt to make this presentation for this

1841
01:21:57,020 --> 01:21:58,439
final replat.

1842
01:21:58,439 --> 01:21:59,439
Good evening.

1843
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,439
I'm Julie Wyatt, associate planner with the City of Denton.

1844
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:06,439
I'm presenting to you FR 1513, Country Lakes West.

1845
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,989
The request before you is to consider a final replat of two

1846
01:22:09,989 --> 01:22:11,439
lots within the Country Lakes

1847
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:15,439
West subdivision, NPD.

1848
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,439
Here is the plat here.

1849
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,439
The lots in question are here.

1850
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:21,439
It was originally platted as two lots.

1851
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:23,439
They are removing that lot line.

1852
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:28,560
So that's why we're having the public hearing to look at

1853
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:29,439
that.

1854
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,659
It does meet the technical requirements of the Denton

1855
01:22:31,659 --> 01:22:33,439
Development Code, and therefore

1856
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:37,439
staff does recommend approval of the plat.

1857
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:44,439
The applicant is here if you have any questions.

1858
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,439
This is a public hearing.

1859
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:50,199
So anyone that would like to speak on this item, please

1860
01:22:50,199 --> 01:22:51,439
come forward.

1861
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,439
If you do come forward, we'll need you to fill out a card.

1862
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:57,289
And when you approach, if you'll give your name and address

1863
01:22:57,289 --> 01:22:58,439
, we would appreciate that

1864
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,439
for the record.

1865
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:05,439
Anyone else that would like to speak on this item?

1866
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:06,439
Okay.

1867
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:12,439
Seeing none, I will close the public hearing.

1868
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:14,439
Commissioner Taylor.

1869
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,439
I move approval of the final plat.

1870
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:18,439
Commissioner Beck.

1871
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,439
I second the motion.

1872
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,439
We have a first and a second on this item.

1873
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,439
Any discussion?

1874
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:33,439
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board.

1875
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:39,439
The motion carries 6-0.

1876
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:43,439
I'm going to now open the public hearing for our item B,

1877
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:49,439
which is DCA 15-0003.

1878
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,439
Thank you, Mike Bowman, Senior Planner.

1879
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,439
We'll make this presentation.

1880
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,439
Thank you, all members of the commission.

1881
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:58,439
We covered this in pretty good detail in the work session,

1882
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:00,439
so I'm going to skip to this slide here.

1883
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:03,439
We had a very informative presentation from DMA members.

1884
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:05,439
They saw the big, long workflow that they have.

1885
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:09,430
I hope that helped illustrate to you that all that process

1886
01:24:09,430 --> 01:24:11,439
is the SEPs, they start here and end here,

1887
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,439
and the SEP is right there at the end.

1888
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,520
It's really kind of adding that input too late in the game,

1889
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:18,439
and we think this process helps bring it forward,

1890
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,600
makes that input from the community more impactful, and

1891
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,869
creates a process where we can get quality design in our

1892
01:24:24,869 --> 01:24:25,439
substations.

1893
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:30,439
So with that, I'm just saying pretty questions.

1894
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:36,439
Thank you, Mike.

1895
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:39,439
Again, this is a public hearing, so anyone who would like

1896
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:45,439
to speak on this item, please come forward at this time.

1897
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:50,439
Seeing none, I will close the public hearing on this item.

1898
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:51,439
Commissioner Dudowitz.

1899
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:52,439
Thank you, Chair, again.

1900
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:57,439
I would recommend approval of the amendments as presented.

1901
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:58,439
Commissioner Rosell.

1902
01:24:58,439 --> 01:24:59,439
Thank you, Chair.

1903
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:04,439
I second the motion.

1904
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:14,140
Seeing no request for discussion, I'll call for a vote on

1905
01:25:14,140 --> 01:25:16,439
the board.

1906
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:20,439
Motion carries 6 to 0.

1907
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:25,090
We'll now open the public hearing for item C, which was DCA

1908
01:25:25,090 --> 01:25:28,439
15-0007.

1909
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:29,439
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1910
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:40,720
Ross Culbertson, our senior planner, will make this

1911
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:47,439
presentation for us tonight.

1912
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:49,640
Thank you, Mr. Menon and commissioners, Ross Culbertson,

1913
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:50,439
senior planner.

1914
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:54,119
Development services work with the HLC, Historic Landmark

1915
01:25:54,119 --> 01:25:56,439
Commission, of the City of Denton,

1916
01:25:56,439 --> 01:26:00,279
to come before you with a DENT code amendment for the

1917
01:26:00,279 --> 01:26:04,100
inclusion of additional façade materials for new

1918
01:26:04,100 --> 01:26:05,439
construction,

1919
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:09,439
and I can work that through with this presentation.

1920
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:14,449
A recommendation for you is to, or a consideration for a

1921
01:26:14,449 --> 01:26:18,439
recommendation to city council regarding the sections

1922
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:19,439
within our DENT development code

1923
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:23,069
that relate to our three historic districts, Oak/Hickory

1924
01:26:23,069 --> 01:26:26,800
Historic District, Belle Avenue Historic Conservation

1925
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:27,439
District,

1926
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:31,819
and the West Oak Area Historic District, which are found in

1927
01:26:31,819 --> 01:26:38,439
35795, 357105, and 357135.

1928
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:44,579
As we want to consider including cementitious siding as an

1929
01:26:44,579 --> 01:26:49,439
architectural item for new construction.

1930
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:55,130
The request is precipitated from homeowners and citizens in

1931
01:26:55,130 --> 01:26:59,920
the historic districts who want to add these items, listed

1932
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:01,439
garages, workshops,

1933
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:05,550
storage buildings, and new infill houses within the

1934
01:27:05,550 --> 01:27:10,789
historic district to incorporate new materials such as hard

1935
01:27:10,789 --> 01:27:12,439
y board siding

1936
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:17,350
that is not under the auspices of historic preservation

1937
01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:21,439
guidelines, and we're going to kind of see some of those

1938
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,439
through some of these slides.

1939
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:27,880
A definition for you, cementitious siding or hardy board pl

1940
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:32,390
anks or siding are cement fiber board products used to

1941
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:34,439
replicate wood.

1942
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:37,699
They come in a variety of widths, a variety of lengths, and

1943
01:27:37,699 --> 01:27:40,439
as you can see within the slides there,

1944
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:45,300
they're attached pneumatically or within a regimented

1945
01:27:45,300 --> 01:27:49,750
system for installing based on the manufacturer's

1946
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:51,439
instructions.

1947
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:55,420
This is a tested material that is durable against fire,

1948
01:27:55,420 --> 01:27:57,439
insects, water, and wind,

1949
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:03,729
and is kind of one of the best replications of wood as a

1950
01:28:03,729 --> 01:28:07,439
new material at this point.

1951
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:11,800
General applications of these are typically shown on new

1952
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:16,439
construction within new single-family homes.

1953
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:20,420
T&D, traditional neighborhood design, which are smaller

1954
01:28:20,420 --> 01:28:23,439
dense neighborhoods with open space and such,

1955
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:27,420
they kind of replicate hardy siding on a lot of their

1956
01:28:27,420 --> 01:28:28,439
products.

1957
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,750
Accessory structures, that's kind of the intent of where

1958
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:35,689
this request is coming from for some of those garage and

1959
01:28:35,689 --> 01:28:36,439
accessory structures

1960
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:42,229
to main dwelling units within historic districts, and then

1961
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:44,439
infill single-family homes

1962
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:47,869
in historic districts that are new construction only and

1963
01:28:47,869 --> 01:28:55,319
are not intended to be bound to historic preservation

1964
01:28:55,319 --> 01:28:56,439
guidelines.

1965
01:28:56,439 --> 01:29:01,199
So our current DDC, within the three districts that I

1966
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:04,439
mentioned, do not differentiate between new construction

1967
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,439
and preservation activities,

1968
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:11,710
and that all COAs are required for any kind of structure,

1969
01:29:11,710 --> 01:29:16,739
this would be any for those new constructed items like gar

1970
01:29:16,739 --> 01:29:18,439
ages and workshops and such,

1971
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:22,909
would have to be brick, wood siding, wood, stone, and stuc

1972
01:29:22,909 --> 01:29:23,439
co.

1973
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:26,640
And with this amendment, we are wanting to introduce cement

1974
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:33,439
itious siding as a new technology material

1975
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:37,579
that meets the intent of the ordinance but does not relate

1976
01:29:37,579 --> 01:29:41,439
one for one to historic preservation activities.

1977
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:45,619
These are just some slides of notable historic structures

1978
01:29:45,619 --> 01:29:50,439
within DIN that are complying and have been rehabilitated

1979
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:54,800
with the standard materials to replicate the pattern and

1980
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,439
the time period of those homes.

1981
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:03,189
And as listed here for you and for the public, this is how

1982
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:06,439
the current DDC standards list,

1983
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,609
and you can see that there is a mandate for only permitted

1984
01:30:09,609 --> 01:30:13,770
facade materials are brick, wood siding, wood, stone, and

1985
01:30:13,770 --> 01:30:14,439
stucco.

1986
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,359
And we want to--and for each of the three historic

1987
01:30:17,359 --> 01:30:21,380
districts, the Oak, Hickory, Belle Avenue, and West Oak

1988
01:30:21,380 --> 01:30:22,439
districts,

1989
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:26,710
a caveat there in the yellow is Belle Avenue Historic

1990
01:30:26,710 --> 01:30:29,590
District, which you'll see off just a small section of

1991
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:33,439
Belle Avenue north of 380,

1992
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:37,159
gives for the flexibility to have artificial facsimiles of

1993
01:30:37,159 --> 01:30:40,439
materials to be considered on a case-by-case basis.

1994
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:43,720
And with that, that's what the directive and the direction

1995
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:48,500
we want to do is to implement that within the other two

1996
01:30:48,500 --> 01:30:50,439
districts also.

1997
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:53,060
Here's what the language will look like within the Oak, H

1998
01:30:53,060 --> 01:30:56,439
ickory Historic District, within the yellow italicized,

1999
01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:00,409
to include smooth-sided cementitious siding is permitted on

2000
01:31:00,409 --> 01:31:03,439
new construction and accessory buildings.

2001
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:06,869
Artificial facsimiles of these materials will be considered

2002
01:31:06,869 --> 01:31:08,439
on a case-by-case basis.

2003
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:13,039
In the presentation we gave in the work session, it was a

2004
01:31:13,039 --> 01:31:18,439
good indication from the chair, Mr. Strange,

2005
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:24,699
that not limiting--and Mr. Dudwood's also--not limiting the

2006
01:31:24,699 --> 01:31:28,439
strict use of smooth siding,

2007
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:30,770
and we will make those corrections and recommendations

2008
01:31:30,770 --> 01:31:35,460
moving forward and see what the council has their purview

2009
01:31:35,460 --> 01:31:36,439
on that.

2010
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:41,439
But I can certainly bring that forward.

2011
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:45,739
Same thing for the Belle Avenue Historic District and same

2012
01:31:45,739 --> 01:31:49,439
thing for the West Oak Area Historic District.

2013
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:53,710
Public survey and input, we did have dedicated staff within

2014
01:31:53,710 --> 01:31:56,439
the Development Services Department,

2015
01:31:56,439 --> 01:32:00,939
specifically Cindy Jackson and Katia Boykin, worked with

2016
01:32:00,939 --> 01:32:02,439
the Historic Landmark Commission

2017
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:07,140
and did a lot of the fact-finding on the ground by surveys

2018
01:32:07,140 --> 01:32:12,000
within the historic districts and with a survey to adjacent

2019
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:12,439
cities

2020
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:16,859
on their specific use and their application of cementitious

2021
01:32:16,859 --> 01:32:17,439
siding,

2022
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:21,970
which gave us an indication that most cities permit that on

2023
01:32:21,970 --> 01:32:26,270
new construction that do not conflict with preservation

2024
01:32:26,270 --> 01:32:27,439
activities.

2025
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:33,739
And again, staff did some outreaches throughout 2015 to

2026
01:32:33,739 --> 01:32:40,689
solicit information and response from citizens and

2027
01:32:40,689 --> 01:32:43,439
residents within those historic districts,

2028
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:50,380
and support was in favor of introducing this, which coinc

2029
01:32:50,380 --> 01:32:54,439
ides with the information we received with some of the

2030
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:55,439
surveys.

2031
01:32:55,439 --> 01:33:01,630
So let me indicate to you that a couple of days ago on 2/8/

2032
01:33:01,630 --> 01:33:07,079
16, the Historic Landmark Commission did vote 8-0 in support

2033
01:33:07,079 --> 01:33:08,439
of the amendments.

2034
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:15,520
They are a recommending body, but yet we take both HLC and

2035
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,420
Planning Commission to City Council for the approval

2036
01:33:18,420 --> 01:33:19,439
process,

2037
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:24,640
and it is slated for a public hearing on 2/16 for the City

2038
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:26,439
Council meeting.

2039
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,359
So we are recommending approval. We will adjust the

2040
01:33:29,359 --> 01:33:32,439
recommendation based on the outcome of your input tonight.

2041
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:37,439
And again, I'm a senior planner with Development Services,

2042
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:39,439
but yet not a historic planner.

2043
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:43,229
I'm just bringing forth information based on the findings

2044
01:33:43,229 --> 01:33:46,380
of our staff at this point, and I'll look for your

2045
01:33:46,380 --> 01:33:49,439
recommendation at the end of the meeting.

2046
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:56,439
Any questions for staff?

2047
01:33:56,439 --> 01:34:01,189
Okay. This is a public hearing. Anyone who would like to

2048
01:34:01,189 --> 01:34:05,439
speak on this item, please come forward at this time.

2049
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:11,930
Seeing no one else here, I'm going to close the public

2050
01:34:11,930 --> 01:34:13,439
hearing.

2051
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:14,439
Commissioner Dudderwoods.

2052
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:18,420
Thank you, Chair. I would like to move to approve the

2053
01:34:18,420 --> 01:34:21,439
amendments as submitted to the DDC,

2054
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:29,000
with the exception of removing the word "smooth" from the

2055
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:32,439
asymptomatic siding.

2056
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:38,439
Thank you.

2057
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:42,239
I think staff, I mean, staff legal is going to give us a

2058
01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:45,159
clarification if they want just "smooth" or they may want a

2059
01:34:45,159 --> 01:34:46,439
different wording in there.

2060
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:51,750
It's written as "smooth sided." The use of "smooth sided"

2061
01:34:51,750 --> 01:34:54,439
is in the recommendation.

2062
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:58,439
So the deletion would be "smooth sided."

2063
01:34:58,439 --> 01:34:59,439
Correct.

2064
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:03,439
So it would read the use of "cementitious siding."

2065
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:04,439
Mm-hmm.

2066
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:05,439
Okay.

2067
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:06,439
It's permitted.

2068
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:07,439
Yeah.

2069
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:09,439
I think that's as we discussed in workshop.

2070
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:10,439
Legal says good.

2071
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:11,439
Thank you.

2072
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:14,439
Okay. Commissioner Hussbett.

2073
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:15,439
Second.

2074
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:21,439
Thank you.

2075
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:25,439
Any discussion on this item? Commissioner Taylor.

2076
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:30,020
Thank you, Chair. I just wanted to clarify with legal, the

2077
01:35:30,020 --> 01:35:32,439
way this is worded now, it's the permitted facade materials

2078
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:35,439
are brick, wood siding, wood, stone, and stucco.

2079
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:38,569
The use of "cementitious siding" is permitted in new

2080
01:35:38,569 --> 01:35:41,439
construction in the accessory buildings.

2081
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:45,810
Does that always mean that the primary materials are

2082
01:35:45,810 --> 01:35:50,899
allowed in new construction, or should it say is also

2083
01:35:50,899 --> 01:35:54,439
allowed in new construction?

2084
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:57,220
So basically there's a list of five items allowed in the

2085
01:35:57,220 --> 01:36:00,439
district, and then new construction is allowed one item.

2086
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:08,649
I just want to make sure that that doesn't overlap or does

2087
01:36:08,649 --> 01:36:10,439
overlap.

2088
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:18,000
Just to clarify, Jennifer, we're trying to incorporate that

2089
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:25,439
as an additional building material, exterior facility.

2090
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:28,770
So you would like to make a friendly amendment to "is also

2091
01:36:28,770 --> 01:36:30,439
permitted," correct?

2092
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:31,439
Yes.

2093
01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:32,439
I would advise that.

2094
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:33,439
Yes, if necessary.

2095
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:34,439
That's a great suggestion.

2096
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:35,439
Okay, then I will--

2097
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:40,439
I agree.

2098
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:41,119
If you're in agreement with that, then we'll have that

2099
01:36:41,119 --> 01:36:41,439
amended motion.

2100
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:46,439
Okay. So any further discussion on this item?

2101
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:50,420
I'm going to chip in and just say I appreciate the friendly

2102
01:36:50,420 --> 01:36:54,569
amendment and the ability to do both smooth, textured, and

2103
01:36:54,569 --> 01:36:57,520
then all the other items, and it gives the homeowner the

2104
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,439
choice of what they feel like will match their structure

2105
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,439
the best versus just being limited only to smooth.

2106
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:05,439
Thank you for indulging me on that one.

2107
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:10,439
With that, any other discussion?

2108
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:17,439
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board.

2109
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:22,439
That motion carries 6-0.

2110
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:27,819
Again, our item D has been moved to our March 23 meeting,

2111
01:37:27,819 --> 01:37:33,010
which moves us into our project matrix and concluding items

2112
01:37:33,010 --> 01:37:33,439
.

2113
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:54,439
Commissioner Dudowitz.

2114
01:37:54,439 --> 01:38:07,439
Forgive me, I'm trying to find my place in the matrix.

2115
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:12,609
I had a request and I see that it was stated it was

2116
01:38:12,609 --> 01:38:19,079
completed, and I would like to redefine what that meant,

2117
01:38:19,079 --> 01:38:24,630
and it was with regard to allowing P&Z to review any

2118
01:38:24,630 --> 01:38:27,439
changes to city streets, et cetera, et cetera.

2119
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:49,439
And I thought I had it, but I didn't have it.

2120
01:38:49,439 --> 01:39:00,439
I see.

2121
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:03,909
I believe it was on the last page, discussed potentially

2122
01:39:03,909 --> 01:39:07,529
allowing planning and zoning commission to review and make

2123
01:39:07,529 --> 01:39:11,439
recommendations to city council regarding street execution

2124
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:12,439
and mobility plan.

2125
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:15,439
It said completed.

2126
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:19,220
I had sent to legal staff of this commission a document, or

2127
01:39:19,220 --> 01:39:22,680
at least a draft of how that should be worded and asked a

2128
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:26,500
question of the process in which we would actually present

2129
01:39:26,500 --> 01:39:29,439
to city council a change to ordinance.

2130
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:31,989
And I haven't received that, or if I need to do that off

2131
01:39:31,989 --> 01:39:34,439
this commission, then I can do it separately.

2132
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:35,439
That's not a problem.

2133
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:38,439
I just want to note, I'd like to have direction.

2134
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:40,439
You said it to me?

2135
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:41,439
You said you sent an email to me?

2136
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:42,439
Yes, ma'am.

2137
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:43,439
You would ask for?

2138
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:46,439
I'd ask for a clarification of what?

2139
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:47,439
Correct.

2140
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:49,439
What I was implying?

2141
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:54,289
What details that you would like to review, not you, but a

2142
01:39:54,289 --> 01:39:58,850
commission would like to review for the streets and the

2143
01:39:58,850 --> 01:40:00,439
mobility plan?

2144
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:01,439
Correct?

2145
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:02,439
Correct.

2146
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:03,439
Okay.

2147
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:05,439
And then you responded with some itemization.

2148
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:06,439
Right.

2149
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:08,439
But that's as far as we got?

2150
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:09,439
Correct.

2151
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:10,439
Okay.

2152
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:14,039
So you sent an email expecting either a response to the

2153
01:40:14,039 --> 01:40:15,439
next step or what?

2154
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:17,439
Because you asked for that and I gave that to you.

2155
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:18,439
I did.

2156
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:19,439
Okay.

2157
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:20,439
So now my question is what's next?

2158
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:23,319
So we have to have an internal meeting, which we have not

2159
01:40:23,319 --> 01:40:24,439
done, and legal.

2160
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:25,439
Okay.

2161
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:27,439
And once we have that, I'll get back to you.

2162
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:28,439
Okay.

2163
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:33,149
So then I would like for staff to remove the word complete

2164
01:40:33,149 --> 01:40:36,859
and either say give me some direction of what that process

2165
01:40:36,859 --> 01:40:38,439
or where we are in that process.

2166
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:47,439
Thank you.

2167
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:49,439
Okay.

2168
01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:56,060
Anybody else for a concluding item or question on the

2169
01:40:56,060 --> 01:40:57,439
matrix?

2170
01:40:57,439 --> 01:40:58,439
Okay.

2171
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:04,439
And at 655, I'm going to close our P&Z meeting tonight.

2172
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:31,439
Thank you for coming.