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and this meeting has been duly posted in accordance to the

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Texas Open Meetings Act.

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I'd like to turn the mic over to Manal Molledad who can

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talk a little bit more about how things are going to play

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out tonight.

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>> Thank you, Vice Chair.

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I wanted to advise the commission that we will be taking

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our regular meeting out of order

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in order to be able to succinctly address the items that

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are listed on the agenda.

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If you'd bear with me, with our work session item, we're

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first going to go into a closed session.

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After which, we will dive into our work session items.

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Just to advise you on our regular meeting items, we will

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first address public hearing

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after we've addressed the consent items for the plat with

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the exception of 3A.

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We can look at those at the regular meeting and as a

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consent and you can make your decision on those.

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However, as it relates to the items associated with the

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razor ranch development,

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we will first address the amendment which is the public

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hearing request which would be item 5A.

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We will then go into the public hearing replant which is

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item 5B.

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We will then shuffle the agenda and go to the consent

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agenda item 3A for the conveyance plant.

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After which, we will consider or you will consider the

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individual items 4A and 4B.

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These items will be discussed last on the agenda.

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The public hearing item 5C will be the first public hearing

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item that will be considered.

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The public hearing item 5D, the zoning change request, will

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be addressed.

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After which, we will then shuffle back to the individual

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consideration item which is item 4C, the ADP.

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So relatively straightforward.

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>> Do I have a roster?

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>> And Jennifer and I will guide you through this if there

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are any hiccups along the way.

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This order is basically being changed just to the nature of

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the cases that you have in your agenda

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and to enable a better solid understanding of the cases

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that are in the packet today.

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>> Thank you.

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>> And with that, we'll blow into the next session.

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>> Okay. So with that, we will go into our closed session

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and when we're done with that, we'll go back to our talk

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session.

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Yes? I'm sorry.

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And it is 507. Thank you.

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Thank you and welcome back to our open work session.

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The time now is 528 and we are going to receive a

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clarification of our agenda items.

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>> Thank you, Vice Chair.

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If the commission has any questions, save item 3A.

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Any questions regarding the plots for 3B, 3C, and 3D, I'd

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be more than happy to discuss them.

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Otherwise, we can move on into the other items.

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>> I just had-- I'm sorry.

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>> That's fine. We can present.

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>> Okay. Well, I just had a question about the fireside

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park addition.

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>> Julie, if you would please.

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>> It's just a simple question, Julie.

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>> Oh, sure.

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>> I was just-- could you review for me what we had decided

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as far as fencing goes-- since a lot of these houses are

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backing up along the back of the houses on Hinkle and Winds

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or, what was the fencing that we decided on?

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>> It's going to be wrought iron per the overlay, the

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ordinance.

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>> Okay.

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>> All right, because I remember there was some

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conversation about having a full privacy fence or a masonry

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or something.

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>> There was conversation about that.

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And I'm not sure-- I believe the applicant also intends to

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do wrought iron for the individual homeowners because they

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want maximum visibility.

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>> Okay. Of course.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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That was my question.

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Any other questions for the plots?

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>> That being said, if I can ask Sophie Humer to come up

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and go ahead and discuss the conveyance plot for the Razor

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Ranch Town Center.

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But I'm also going to actually turn this around a little

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bit and we'll start with all the items so that it makes

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sense when we talk about the plots.

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We have a final replot as well so we can talk about the

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final replot, conveyance plot is, and that was the order I

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was discussing with you earlier.

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And I'll also have her dive into the other items related to

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Razor Ranch so that you have it fresh in your mind as we're

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going through it.

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>> I'm going to start with the zoning.

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Start with the plots.

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>> Let's do that.

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Let's start with the zoning.

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>> Okay.

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All right, so this is SI 1516, the Razor Ranch Zoning

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Amendment.

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The request before you is to consider making a

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recommendation to city council regarding the procedural and

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development standards for the Razor Ranch Overlay District

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by superseding the previously approved Razor Ranch Overlay

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District classification and amending Chapter 35, subchapter

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715 of the Denton Development Code.

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Just to give you an idea, I think we all know what Razor is

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, but it's about 410 acres located on both sides of US

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Highway 380, commonly known as University Drive, and also

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between I-35, Bonnie Bray, and to the south scripture.

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So the purpose of this amendment is to eliminate ambigu

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ities between your concept plan sub areas and uses as well

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as amend any exhibits that may conflict with past site

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plans.

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The amendment will allow us to align the goals of the Razor

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Ranch Town Center vision, which was presented to city

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council on January 6, 2015, with a concept and master plan.

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And city council then blessed that vision and allowed us to

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move forward with the development on the south side.

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I'm just going to go through a brief summary of all of the

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amendments as well as the exhibits.

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So the first amendment is to amend the concept plan to

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reflect current and future development as proposed by RED

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Development in that vision presentation.

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Here on the left side you have the original concept plan

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and on the left you have the proposed plan.

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If you follow my mouse, this south RR2 is now the WNCO.

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RR1 has also been extended to include any parking lots that

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may come in with any town center development.

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The Hotel RR0 and MF has been aligned with lot 9R.

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And also the RR1 has been extended to the boundary of the

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convention center.

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This is the underlying zoning district exhibit.

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Again, the lines on that underlying haven't changed.

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It's just the concept plan lines, so they've been reflected

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.

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This is the bubble plan exhibit B2 in the existing

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ordinance.

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It will be removed as it's not a regulatory document.

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The concept plan is the document that sets the boundaries

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for those sub areas.

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The density zone plan exhibit B3 in the existing ordinance

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has also been modified to reflect contemplated development.

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The number of allowable units, density, any of those

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trigger requirements based on non-residential development

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have been left unchanged.

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There's no change to those regulations.

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On the left is the original and on the right is the

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proposed.

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Again, it was just extended to reflect current lot lines.

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This is exhibit B5.

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This is a site plan exhibit and it has just been modified

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to reflect current built conditions at the marketplace as

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well as eliminate this Cooke Children's Site Plan.

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Their vision has changed for the overall development of

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that site, but none of the development regulations have

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changed.

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The next amendment is to clarify the criteria of approval

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for site plans.

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Site plans are reviewed in accordance with all DDC

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regulations and then modified by the razor range overlay

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district.

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Again, permitted uses are governed by the sub area.

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So this is just to sum up, the city of Denton is amending

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the razor range overlay district to eliminate any incons

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istencies and ambiguities of the concept plan and outdated

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exhibits as well as procedural regulations.

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This is the public notification map.

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We have received no responses.

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Staff is recommending approval of the request as it's

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compatible with the Denton Development Code section 3573.

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And I will stand for any questions.

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you, Vice Chair.

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The Children's Cooke Hospital, it's gone away?

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It has not gone away.

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This is a old, I've actually seen this configuration on

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concept plans as far back as 2007.

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Earlier this year, they came in for a children's pediatric

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clinic here and they got an approved site plan.

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They're still contemplating development of that site.

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So none of that has changed.

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They'll come in for site plans just as they did before.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions on this item?

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Okay, thank you.

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All right, now we'll move to the plat.

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So we'll do the replat first, Sophie.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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All right, so this is the final replat, FR1526.

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And for the record, this is listed as item 5B.

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Correct.

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The agenda.

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Are there requests to consider a final replat of the razor

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range town center phase one plots 10R1, 11 and 12 block A,

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being a replat of razor ranch town center phase one, lot 10

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R and lot one, block one of the razor ranch south conveyance

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plat.

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It's an approximately 74 acre property, generally located

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at the southeast corner of University Drive and Interstate

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Highway 35.

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Section 212 of the Texas Local Government Code requires a

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public hearing for any replat of a subdivision or part of a

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subdivision without vacation of the proceeding plat.

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This is page one of the plat, page two.

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And don't worry, I'm going to take you through the kind of

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the separate lots that we're bringing into this replat.

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This is a schematic of the existing conditions.

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You have lot 10R here and an existing conveyance plat.

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This is the southernmost boundary of the 99 acres of south,

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a future panhandle street is here.

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This is Interstate Highway 35 and this is the future

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heritage trail.

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So this is the plat as they exist today.

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To convey the convention center portions, there's a portion

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of acreage that has been brought into the plat.

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It's lot 11.

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Lot 12 was taken out of the existing conveyance plat.

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And to take lot 12 out of that conveyance plat, we have to

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convey the remainder of that existing conveyance plat.

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So that will come before you at CB15-4 tonight.

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So this is just a schematic of what you'll be approving

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tonight, which is lot 10R1, lot 11, and lot 12.

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The plat meets all the technical requirements of the DDC

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and staff is recommending approval.

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>> Any questions on this item?

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Okay, moving on.

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So I'll move right into the conveyance plat, which is item

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3A on your agenda.

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It's CB15-4.

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And just to reiterate, the request is to consider a convey

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ance plat of lot 13, block 1 of the Razor Ranch Town Center

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phase 1.

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It's approximately 22 acres, generally located at the

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southeast corner of University Drive and Interstate Highway

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35.

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This is the part of the replat.

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This is 10R.

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This is what will be future lot 12, and this is the

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remainder.

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So the plat boundary is around here.

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The plat meets all the technical requirements of the DDC,

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and staff is recommending approval.

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Any questions?

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Yep.

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Commissioner Taylor.

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>> Thank you, Chair.

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Just to clarify, I guess for my own edification here, there

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was a stripe between, in the former plat, but it's also

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this northernmost line of this plat.

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There appears to be like a 20 foot wide strip, but that's

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not proposed to be a public street.

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Is that just to keep, so where this curvy line is right

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there?

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Sure.

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If you go a little bit further over, you'll notice there's

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a 20 foot wide section maybe right there.

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And in the other plat, the previous plat that was being

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replaced by the replat, yeah, here, that gap also exists,

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right?

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Yes.

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Yeah, and so I was just curious to the purpose of that, is

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that like just to keep the main thoroughfare through the

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parking lot?

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Yeah, that'll be a future drive aisle.

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It's not contemplated to be a public street at this time.

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The wits would meet that requirement if it were to be

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turned over to the city.

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For right now, it's considered an internal drive.

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Okay, just kind of unusual. It seemed to be that it was

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excluded from both.

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Yeah, it's because of the existing boundaries of the plat

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and the way that it has to be plotted.

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you.

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Where's the new panhandle in this picture here?

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It would be further south.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Commissioner Dedowitz.

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Where those private drives are, is that residential then

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proposed?

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Is that why there are private drives there?

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Nothing has been submitted to the City of Denton.

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It is being contemplated and it is a permitted use.

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I mean, from the concept?

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Sure.

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Yes, sir.

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I guess that's what we're seeing.

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Yeah, MF is a permitted use.

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That's the multifamily.

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Right.

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Correct.

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As presented today and proposed in terms of the new exhibit

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.

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Correct.

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Anything else on this item?

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Okay.

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Is there individual consideration?

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So, I'm sorry, so 4A and 4B are the next things to talk

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about. Is that still Sophie?

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Yes.

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Hey, Sophie.

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Hey.

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You're still up there.

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Yes.

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So now we're talking 4A and 4B?

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Sure.

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Okay.

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All right, so we'll dive into the site plans or items for

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individual consideration.

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First is SP15 for In-N-Out Burger Razor Ranch.

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The request is for approval of a site plan within the Razor

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Ranch South Campus for a 3,870 square foot drive-through

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restaurant on lot 1, block A of the Razor Ranch Town Center

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, phase 1.

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The subject property is outlined in red here.

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It's on the south side of University Drive.

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The subject property is located within the Razor Ranch Over

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lay District.

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It's further located in an RR2 sub-district. Drive-throughs

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and restaurants are permitted in that sub-district.

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Just to go through a list of the approved projects already,

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we have Chili's, a multi-tenant retail site, Raisin Canes,

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a WinCo, and another multi-tenant retail in this RR2 area.

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For site plan approval for the Razor Ranch Town Center,

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staff requires a site plan, landscape plan, and building

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elevations that demonstrate compliance with the overlay's

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architectural standards.

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This is the site plan for In-N-Out Burger. University Drive

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is up here onto the north.

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This is an internal drive aisle. The TxDOT permit has been

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approved by TxDOT.

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There's also an internal opening here, and the site shares

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cross-access with the Chili's.

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They have approximately 74% lot coverage and 25% landscaped

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area.

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This is their landscape plan. They have 29% parking lot

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landscaping and 37% parking lot tree canopy cover.

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They also have a hardscape and plaza area, and most of the

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three required elements are integrated together.

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They're an outdoor dining and pedestrian sitting area. That

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's in the front here as well.

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And this area outlined in red is also a shaded area. It's

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an outdoor dining area that is integrated into the actual

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footprint of the building.

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Commissioner Beck.

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Thank you, Vice Chair. This is where I had a question. It's

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probably small, but it says here that the site plan meets

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these standards by providing an outdoor seating area,

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pedestrian seating, and integrated awnings and shade

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structures that cover healthy travel pedestrian paths and

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gathering places.

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Where are the awnings at?

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Awnings aren't necessarily shown on a site plan. Those are

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not structural. They will be, however.

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Here's an awning. Here's an awning.

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But the three elements that they also have to meet that

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requirement include one, outdoor dining, which they have,

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two, pedestrian seating. I believe there are benches out

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front as well as in the shade area, and then the integrated

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shade area in their plaza area, which is this space.

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Okay, but the awnings don't necessarily take care of

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heavily traveled pedestrian paths.

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No, there's some space out here. It is proportional to what

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we also see with other drive-through restaurants along this

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commercial area.

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Okay. Just want to make sure they work.

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Sure.

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Thank you.

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These are the elevations. This is the south elevation as

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you would be looking north actually from the town center.

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You also have the east elevation, which is what you'd be

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looking at from Chili's. This is also what they consider

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their main entrance, and here you can actually see the

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structure pop out.

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This is the north elevation. Again, all of these site plans

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for the Razor Ranch Town Center are required to provide

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architectural elements such as masonry requirements, and

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they also have a reduced trade dress standard.

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In-N-Out has particularly high trade dress requirements,

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and so they actually, we met with them, we met with Red and

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kind of got them to this elevation.

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You also have this west elevation with the drive-through.

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So there's plenty of masonry requirements, almost no trade

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dress, and the color palette is also the same as it would

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be on the rest of the strip.

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So I'm just going to go through the criteria for approval.

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The site plan does comply with the concept and schematic

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plan. The restaurant and drive-through is a permitted use.

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The site plan also provides for compatible arrangement of

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buildings and land uses. Again, it's bordered by University

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Drive to the north and surrounded by other commercial uses.

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The site plan shares access to the internal drive aisles

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and allows for the safe movement of pedestrians and veh

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icular traffic.

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And the site plan also complies with all other development

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regulations of the ordinance. Staff is recommending

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approval as it's consistent with the Razor Ranch Overlay

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District.

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I stand for any questions.

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Yes, go ahead. Question to Taylor.

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Thank you, Chair. So, this is kind of peripheral to this. I

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'm noticing the street entrance, you said the text dot

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permit had been received?

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Yes, and approved.

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And it's barely visible in this site diagram, but it

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appears that what is now the turn lane from the access road

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to 380 becomes a turn in only. Is that accurate? I'm just

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trying to read that.

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Yes, it is a right turn in only. This is pork chopped here

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as well, so it'll be right out to discourage left turns.

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That's what's been approved with the text dot permit.

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Is there an additional right turn?

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Okay.

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And then it stops at the end.

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And the text dot permit is approved through text dot

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through our city engineers.

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No, I was just trying to understand that. So that existing

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turn lane is built right now and just kind of eventually

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dead ends at the intersection.

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Main entrance.

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Main entrance. And so it will.

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This is an additional right turn.

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So it will be two right turn lines. Okay. Thank you.

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I have a few questions.

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As long as we're talking about traffic flow, because I take

00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:54.220
my kids often to the restaurants on the north campus. It's

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close to my house and there's a lot of good places to eat

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there.

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But when I'm walking through that parking lot with my kids,

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there's a lot of things I like to change about that.

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So a question about traffic flow and pedestrian

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accessibility.

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Sure.

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Can you show me with this drive through kind of what is the

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traffic flow for that? Because sometimes like when I'm at

00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:13.329
the Chick-fil-A, for example, on the north side, I get

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stuck. I'm trying to exit the parking lot and I get stuck

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in the drive through.

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So drive. And then I have another question too after that.

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Sure. The stacking for the drive through.

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The menu board is here.

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The way that this building is oriented actually believe it

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allows for a longer than what is required for the stacking.

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What you would do is this is one of the is probably going

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to be the most heavily used entrance for that site.

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What you'll do is you'll come in and either park in the

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parking lot or begin the stack here.

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Sorry. So how would you get up to the stack there? You

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wouldn't turn into the parking lot.

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You turn in here and you can actually just go straight.

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This is continuous.

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So the stacking is happening kind of outside the parking

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lot.

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Yes.

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That's great. I wish they did that at the Chick-fil-A.

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Okay. Thank you.

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The other another question too is how are pedestrians going

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to get safely from their cars to the inside and out?

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Knowing that the stacking is actually happening outside the

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parking lot makes me feel a lot better about that.

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But are there any sort of designated pedestrian walkways

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anywhere inside that parking lot?

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There aren't any dedicated to that.

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The building footprint itself has a pretty large plaza area

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in front, which is what we don't typically see that with

00:24:33.289 --> 00:24:36.000
some of these drive through restaurants.

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There are no greater than three rows of parking at any time

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.

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And so that is usually an allowable safe distance you don't

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have.

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Also the unique configuration of the site.

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I know a lot of people just like to kind of go straight

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through parking drive aisles at 25 miles an hour.

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The way the site is designed, it actually kind of keeps

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vehicles rotating either through.

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You'll decide you don't want to get in line and you'll just

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come in and park.

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There aren't any straight drive aisles that somebody could

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get up to speed in.

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Okay. That's great. Yeah.

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And then, like I said, knowing that the cars are stacking

00:25:16.630 --> 00:25:19.279
outside the parking lot, I think is going to add an element

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of safety.

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And these are also pretty heavily landscaped.

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Go to the landscape plan. These are actually fairly large

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trees around the outside here as well as in the parking lot

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.

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So it exceeds all of the parking lot landscape requirements

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, which will also help with some of the slowing down of the

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vehicles.

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Thank you. And that segues to my next question. And I see

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there's some questions over here.

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What are the parking lot requirements for trees as far as

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breaking that up like those, was it 10 parking spaces and

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then a tree?

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I've seen that in other developments. What are the-

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Yes, it's 10 parking spaces. Every 10 parking spaces, you

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need a landscaped island and a landscaped tree.

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And that's what's happening here?

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It's sufficient.

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Thank you.

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Commissioner Rossell, you had a question?

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Yes, thank you, Vice Chair. It kind of piggybacks on

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Commissioner's earlier question.

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On the east side of the parking, it's all open. There's no

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curb there.

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So there's not, you could pull through those parking spots

00:26:23.049 --> 00:26:27.099
right into the main thoroughfare that you mentioned. Am I

00:26:27.099 --> 00:26:28.000
reading that correctly?

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You could. I'm trying to find this-

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I'm looking specifically right in the center, like just due

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east of the actual building.

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Right here.

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Right, but those parking spots that are doubled up down

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right there.

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This is, you can barely see it on the site plan. This is

00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:42.000
actually the Chili's building.

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Okay.

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And there's parking that ends here. So this is a very

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contained vehicular movement throughout the site.

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Is that thoroughfare wider to allow for two cars going

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through?

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Or is the distance between the parking spots on In-N-Out's

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property and Chili's the same distance as like the south

00:27:06.299 --> 00:27:08.000
side of this property? Does that make sense?

00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:10.519
It's the same distance. It's actually a pretty narrow,

00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:13.269
calling it thoroughfare is being pretty generous. It's a

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drive aisle. It's part of the parking lot.

00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:19.500
Okay, but like you said, that is going to be the most

00:27:19.500 --> 00:27:22.299
heavily trafficked area to get into the stack of the drive-

00:27:22.299 --> 00:27:23.000
through.

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Sure.

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Okay, thank you.

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Yes, it is.

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Chair?

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Mr. Dadowitz.

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Can I piggyback? Because I'm looking at a schematic that

00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:35.000
shows those parking spots on the In-N-Out flat.

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It's not here, but he's right. There is no barrier there.

00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:41.000
Cars can come from the north and pull. There you go.

00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.960
There's no barrier there to those parking spots on that

00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.440
east side. I mean, they can pull in this way. They can pull

00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:49.000
throughout.

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Yeah, they aren't required. It's a parking lot.

00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:56.309
There are the number of landscape islands as well as the

00:27:56.309 --> 00:28:00.769
other parking and the adjacent buildings actually make for

00:28:00.769 --> 00:28:03.000
a pretty contained site.

00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.099
The site plan has been evaluated by engineering for

00:28:06.099 --> 00:28:09.279
internal stacking requirements and it meets all of the

00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:11.000
requirements of the DDC.

00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:13.700
But it's, yeah, I've got some ideas too, but go ahead,

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Commissioner Rossell.

00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:20.690
Thank you. Is there a requirement for parking curbs in

00:28:20.690 --> 00:28:24.000
between those, that aisle of spots?

00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:28.759
No, there aren't. These aren't contained lots. They're

00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:33.309
meant to function as cross, they're meant to wrap. They're

00:28:33.309 --> 00:28:35.480
meant to have cars and pedestrians circulating throughout

00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:36.000
the site.

00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:40.609
Mostly cars. This side is auto-oriented. University is a

00:28:40.609 --> 00:28:46.000
heavily traveled automobile. It's a primary arterial.

00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.960
This is a site plan that meets all the requirements of the

00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.049
DDC and it actually exceeds some of the requirements of the

00:28:52.049 --> 00:28:54.000
Razor Ranch overlay district.

00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:58.000
But it does seem to me that to further increase safety,

00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:00.339
because it is car oriented, but the fact is there are

00:29:00.339 --> 00:29:04.589
people that will be walking in there from, if they've got

00:29:04.589 --> 00:29:07.000
to park on the far end of the parking lot, up wherever.

00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.609
How hard would it be to put between, we're looking at the

00:29:10.609 --> 00:29:14.420
east side of the parking lot there, just those little curb

00:29:14.420 --> 00:29:17.609
stops between the two parking spaces so that as you're

00:29:17.609 --> 00:29:21.150
coming in you can't just zip in and grab a parking spot and

00:29:21.150 --> 00:29:23.529
maybe you didn't see out of the corner of your eye someone

00:29:23.529 --> 00:29:25.000
trying to walk through there.

00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:28.730
It doesn't seem like it would be that difficult. Is there a

00:29:28.730 --> 00:29:31.000
, why are we not doing that?

00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:33.000
If I can introduce, I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.000
Commissioner Taylor.

00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:40.700
Thank you Chair. So, just to, I think I'd like to bring us

00:29:40.700 --> 00:29:44.009
back to the nature of this type of use. You know, if you

00:29:44.009 --> 00:29:47.349
just go across university to a very nice looking, well

00:29:47.349 --> 00:29:54.369
designed development, you have, you know, 10 or 12 sets of

00:29:54.369 --> 00:29:58.000
double road parking with no curb barriers at all.

00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.250
Then you have these, then you have medians, you know, from

00:30:01.250 --> 00:30:04.230
the SAMs all the way across the SAMs, then you have a set

00:30:04.230 --> 00:30:07.289
of medians and you have all the way across the Walmart, and

00:30:07.289 --> 00:30:11.000
a set of medians and you have the next set of box stores,

00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.660
you know, 10 or 12 sets of rows and then another set of med

00:30:14.660 --> 00:30:15.000
ians.

00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.210
Here you have, you know, one row of parking between a

00:30:18.210 --> 00:30:21.279
building and another building. You've got a solid

00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:24.869
continuous barrier on the north side, that's not driveways

00:30:24.869 --> 00:30:28.000
out on the 380, that's just landscape.

00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:31.920
You have one 24 foot wide entryway on the south, and then

00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:35.690
on the other side of the chiles is one more 24 foot wide

00:30:35.690 --> 00:30:39.710
entryway. This isn't like, you know, if you look at most of

00:30:39.710 --> 00:30:43.500
our parking lots in town, you can get a, you know, four or

00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:48.000
500 yard straight shot diagonally across a parking lot.

00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:51.730
And even on really high quality developments, like just

00:30:51.730 --> 00:30:55.680
north of here, you can get, you know, two or 300 yards

00:30:55.680 --> 00:31:00.000
easily of straight shots diagonally through parking stalls.

00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.519
So I don't think that this warrants like a safety hazard

00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:09.000
that needs to be addressed specifically for this site.

00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.000
Just to,

00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.279
And just to interject, if we look at this site plan, if you

00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:17.529
look at the remit or the meets and bounds of this site, you

00:31:17.529 --> 00:31:21.019
can tell that this is a shared access, if I'm not mistaken,

00:31:21.019 --> 00:31:22.000
is that correct?

00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:27.319
That helps with the vehicular circulation of traffic. If we

00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:31.079
were to install curb stops or a raised median or some kind

00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:34.670
of barrier, you're impeding the flow eventually of the

00:31:34.670 --> 00:31:37.630
entire development, because your circulation pattern is

00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:40.000
being looked at comprehensively

00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:42.769
and taking into consideration the entire built up, eventual

00:31:42.769 --> 00:31:44.000
built out environment.

00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.680
So it behooves us and that's why our team sat down and

00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.500
looked at this and said, let's have some shared access eas

00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:50.000
ements.

00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.890
Let's ensure that when we have back to back parking, those

00:31:52.890 --> 00:31:55.680
are my words just to try and illustrate to the audience as

00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:56.000
well,

00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.509
that we are actually not compromising one, the flow of

00:32:00.509 --> 00:32:04.059
traffic and the mutual access easements or the common

00:32:04.059 --> 00:32:08.440
access easements or shared driveways enables more efficient

00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:09.000
flow of traffic.

00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:15.000
And this is also a fire lane. Yes.

00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:18.339
I found that helpful. Thank you, Commissioner Beck. Thank

00:32:18.339 --> 00:32:21.849
you Vice Chair. Just real quickly, could you demonstrate

00:32:21.849 --> 00:32:26.049
how cars are expected to exit from that lane that they're

00:32:26.049 --> 00:32:27.000
picking up food?

00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:32.349
Sure, they'll, oh from picking up food out here. Yes. Yeah,

00:32:32.349 --> 00:32:34.000
the menu board is here.

00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.099
Before you even get to the menu board, you also have an

00:32:37.099 --> 00:32:40.000
exit lane, which is required by engineering.

00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.930
They'll come through the minute I the pickup window is

00:32:42.930 --> 00:32:46.009
approximately here, and then they'll exit out into the

00:32:46.009 --> 00:32:49.000
parking lot. Okay.

00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:53.619
And there'll be wide enough slots. It's apparent where this

00:32:53.619 --> 00:32:56.000
is. Yes. Okay exit.

00:32:56.000 --> 00:33:00.000
West at the end of the building.

00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:03.380
No, this is a fully contained you can actually see it

00:33:03.380 --> 00:33:05.000
better on the landscape.

00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.000
Oh, I see. Thank you. Yeah, this is all landscaped area.

00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.700
This is a sidewalk that comes in off of university to get

00:33:12.700 --> 00:33:16.000
you further south on the site.

00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:19.829
So again, staying with this concern as they're coming out,

00:33:19.829 --> 00:33:23.279
are they kind of blind until they get around that corner

00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:24.000
there?

00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:29.029
No, they'll exit here. They can get to there are no curbs

00:33:29.029 --> 00:33:32.000
in here. This is all cross access.

00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.230
You'll be able to exit here and come straight out back to

00:33:35.230 --> 00:33:43.000
this drive aisle and exit. Okay. Thank you.

00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:47.000
Further questions on this?

00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:56.000
Okay. And then was it 4B would be next? Yes.

00:33:56.000 --> 00:34:00.519
4B is SB 15-8, the Razor Ranch Embassy Suites and

00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:02.000
Convention Center.

00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.880
The request before you is to consider approval of the site

00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:09.409
plan within the Razor Ranch South Campus for 115,860 square

00:34:09.409 --> 00:34:13.000
foot hotel and convention center on lots 11 and 12 block A

00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:16.000
of the Razor Ranch Town Center phase one.

00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.909
It's an approximately 12 acre tract outlined in red or

00:34:19.909 --> 00:34:25.000
orange here. It's on the south side of US Highway 380.

00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:30.030
The subject property is located in the RR1 sub district.

00:34:30.030 --> 00:34:33.989
Hotels and convention centers are permitted in that sub

00:34:33.989 --> 00:34:35.000
district.

00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:39.510
Just to show you in relationship to the overall town center

00:34:39.510 --> 00:34:44.070
as well as the proposed projects, this site is contemplated

00:34:44.070 --> 00:34:47.369
to be the town center, the heart of the town center area as

00:34:47.369 --> 00:34:49.000
presented by reading their vision.

00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:57.000
The convention center would be situated south of it here.

00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.210
Again, Razor Ranch site plans, they're required to submit a

00:35:00.210 --> 00:35:03.019
site plan, landscape plan, building elevations that

00:35:03.019 --> 00:35:06.090
demonstrate compliance with the overlay's architectural

00:35:06.090 --> 00:35:07.000
standards.

00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.099
This is the site plan for the hotel and convention center.

00:35:10.099 --> 00:35:14.409
They're at 82% lot coverage and provided 18% landscaped

00:35:14.409 --> 00:35:15.000
area.

00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:18.000
This is oriented north.

00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.409
This way is north and the town center is right here. It

00:35:21.409 --> 00:35:25.099
also provides for a nice visual corridor coming through the

00:35:25.099 --> 00:35:27.000
middle of the town center.

00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.000
This is the front of the hotel.

00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:34.630
Outlined in yellow here is the hotel building, the tower

00:35:34.630 --> 00:35:39.679
that actually kind of rises from the convention center. And

00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:44.309
the one outlined in blue is the convention center. It's

00:35:44.309 --> 00:35:48.000
kind of the one story convention center.

00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:49.000
>> Question on this?

00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:50.000
>> Commissioner Battschalk.

00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.579
>> Thank you. That's all under one roof, the hotel and the

00:35:53.579 --> 00:35:55.000
convention center?

00:35:55.000 --> 00:36:00.250
>> The hotel is a tower, I believe it's 10 stories. And

00:36:00.250 --> 00:36:04.000
then the convention center is a part of that, yes.

00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:05.000
>> Okay.

00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.000
>> We can see that on the elevations as well.

00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:11.869
>> Okay. The space between, what looks like a space between

00:36:11.869 --> 00:36:15.489
the tower and the convention center, what is that? Is that

00:36:15.489 --> 00:36:17.000
outside or inside?

00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:20.369
>> This is the roof of the convention center. That would be

00:36:20.369 --> 00:36:23.809
outside. There is no, this is all, anything contained in

00:36:23.809 --> 00:36:26.000
blue or yellow here is building.

00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:27.000
>> Okay.

00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:28.000
>> That's the building footprint.

00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.000
>> Gotcha. Thank you.

00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.559
>> This is their landscape plan. They're at 11% parking lot

00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:39.000
landscaping and 41% parking lot tree canopy.

00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:43.170
>> For their hardscape and plaza area, they provided a my

00:36:43.170 --> 00:36:47.909
riad of the different architectural elements. They provide

00:36:47.909 --> 00:36:52.800
seating area, additional plaza trees, shade with open space

00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:54.000
, they have biker acts.

00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:59.510
>> They also have integrated planters and they have a large

00:36:59.510 --> 00:37:04.000
event lawn at the front of the building here.

00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:08.519
>> These are the elevations. This is the north side of the

00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:12.519
hotel and convention center. So it would be as you were

00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:17.050
looking south from the town center. This is the entrance

00:37:17.050 --> 00:37:20.000
with the kind of a portico.

00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:26.219
>> The Hooligans restaurant is located here. The elevation

00:37:26.219 --> 00:37:30.780
on the bottom of the page here is the south elevation as

00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:33.000
you're looking north.

00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:37.519
>> This is a wall that is longer than 100 foot. We worked

00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:39.840
with the applicant to make sure they broke that up,

00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:43.769
provided different building materials. And so you can see

00:37:43.769 --> 00:37:48.000
here, this is the tower of the hotel.

00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:51.949
>> These are the east and west elevations. The top is the

00:37:51.949 --> 00:37:55.900
east as you would be looking from say heritage trail or any

00:37:55.900 --> 00:38:00.019
other contemplated development. And then the west as you

00:38:00.019 --> 00:38:03.000
would be looking from the interstate.

00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.360
>> So I'm just going to go through again the criteria for

00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.730
approval. The site plan complies with the concept and

00:38:08.730 --> 00:38:12.730
schematic plan. Hotels and convention centers are permitted

00:38:12.730 --> 00:38:13.000
.

00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.900
>> Site plan provides for compatible arrangement of

00:38:15.900 --> 00:38:19.309
buildings and land uses. It's interior again to the overall

00:38:19.309 --> 00:38:22.679
development and will be surrounded by other commercial uses

00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:23.000
.

00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:26.500
>> Site plan shares access to internal drive aisles and

00:38:26.500 --> 00:38:30.150
allows for the safe movement of pedestrian and vehicular

00:38:30.150 --> 00:38:31.000
traffic.

00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.449
>> And the site plan fully complies with all other

00:38:33.449 --> 00:38:36.199
development regulations and the razor range overlay

00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:37.000
district.

00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.539
>> So with that, staff is recommending approval as it's

00:38:40.539 --> 00:38:44.809
consistent with the razor range overlay district. I don't

00:38:44.809 --> 00:38:48.000
stand for any questions.

00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:54.000
>> Okay. Thank you, Sophie. Is that it for the razor range?

00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.000
>> Yes.

00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:57.599
>> I'm wondering would it be a good time now for us to take

00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.159
a quick break and grab some food before we move on to the

00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.000
next few items or is this the next --

00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:03.000
>> We can do that.

00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:06.849
>> Yeah? Okay. Then we're going to take a quick like five

00:39:06.849 --> 00:39:11.000
minute or less recess and we'll reconvene in a few minutes.

00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:38.289
>> At 6.09, you all did it in five minutes or less. I'm

00:39:38.289 --> 00:39:40.000
very proud of you.

00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:46.750
The next item we're going to talk about is 5D. And then

00:39:46.750 --> 00:39:52.000
related to that, I guess would be item 4C. So Julie Wyatt.

00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:56.000
>> Thank you.

00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:09.000
>> Good evening. Let me find my presentation.

00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:13.670
Okay. The request before you right now is Z1527. It's for

00:40:13.670 --> 00:40:16.000
Popeyes and a Burger King.

00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:19.980
It's to consider making a recommendation to city council

00:40:19.980 --> 00:40:23.690
regarding a rezoning from NRMU to community mixed use

00:40:23.690 --> 00:40:26.000
general on 2.1 acres.

00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:31.449
The property is located at the corner of University and Eck

00:40:31.449 --> 00:40:33.000
ford Street.

00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.840
The existing zoning for the site is NRMU. In fact, here's

00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:41.000
our site right here. It's at the corner.

00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:45.309
The applicant is requesting a rezoning because they would

00:40:45.309 --> 00:40:48.650
like to build a Popeyes and a Burger King, each with a

00:40:48.650 --> 00:40:50.000
drive through use.

00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:55.659
NRMU does permit restaurants. However, it has a limitation

00:40:55.659 --> 00:41:00.380
that limits the restaurant use to sit down only, no drive

00:41:00.380 --> 00:41:03.000
up service, drive through services permitted.

00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:06.000
It also limits the number of seats to 100.

00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:12.000
So they have -- so they're proposing a rezoning to CMG,

00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:17.090
which would permit restaurants and drive through uses by

00:41:17.090 --> 00:41:18.000
right.

00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:22.829
The future land use designation per the Denton Plan 2030 is

00:41:22.829 --> 00:41:24.000
commercial.

00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:27.559
We're going to jump right into considerations. So first, in

00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.869
looking at CMG, the purpose of CMG is to provide shopping,

00:41:30.869 --> 00:41:34.300
services, recreation, and employment and is supported by

00:41:34.300 --> 00:41:36.000
the entire community.

00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:39.280
And when you look at where CMG is often located in the city

00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:44.210
of Denton, it's on primary arterials because of that access

00:41:44.210 --> 00:41:49.000
needed in order to serve the entire community.

00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:53.610
When you look at the West University corridor, you can see

00:41:53.610 --> 00:41:57.849
that CMG district prevails along this area, and we're going

00:41:57.849 --> 00:42:01.000
to look at a map in just a minute that will make it clear.

00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:05.510
The proposed CMG district is a logical extension of the

00:42:05.510 --> 00:42:09.610
adjacent CMG district, and that the commercial use is

00:42:09.610 --> 00:42:13.420
permitted in CMG are consistent with the existing

00:42:13.420 --> 00:42:16.469
development pattern that's located along West University

00:42:16.469 --> 00:42:18.000
Drive, also consistent with the character.

00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:21.599
When you look at the uses, the existing NRMU does have

00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:26.519
commercial uses. However, CMG sort of scales that up a

00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:31.570
little bit to encompass the entire community, whereas NRMU

00:42:31.570 --> 00:42:33.000
is more neighborhood based.

00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:38.099
CMG also allows for some more auto-oriented uses like drive

00:42:38.099 --> 00:42:43.000
-throughs that NRMU would ordinarily have an SUP for.

00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:47.219
So here's a map of the West University corridor from I-35

00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:51.030
to about North Locust, and you can see that CMG is along

00:42:51.030 --> 00:42:54.000
this corridor pretty consistently.

00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.869
There are some pockets that differ from that, and then of

00:42:57.869 --> 00:43:01.570
course in the Razor Ranch you do have the RCCD, but that

00:43:01.570 --> 00:43:05.000
has the additional access of being on 35.

00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:09.789
So you can see that CMG is a consistent zoning district

00:43:09.789 --> 00:43:12.000
along this corridor.

00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:16.750
When you dive down in toward the property, you can also see

00:43:16.750 --> 00:43:21.000
that the property is adjacent to an existing CMG.

00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:25.820
There is some NRMU and NRMU 12 to the south and to the east

00:43:25.820 --> 00:43:31.000
, but CMG is quite prevalent around the subject property.

00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:36.000
So in that case, CMG is appropriate for this area.

00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:40.519
And then when we look at the development pattern on West

00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:43.300
University Drive, you see that over the decades it's

00:43:43.300 --> 00:43:46.000
developed as a pretty substantial commercial corridor

00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:48.000
within the city of Denton.

00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:52.610
You have restaurants, you have drive-throughs, you also

00:43:52.610 --> 00:43:56.000
have offices and other services and goods.

00:43:56.000 --> 00:44:00.699
And so a CMG district as well as the proposed Popeyes and

00:44:00.699 --> 00:44:05.519
Burger King are consistent with what's existing on West

00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:07.000
University.

00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:09.849
Some additional considerations, the subject property's

00:44:09.849 --> 00:44:12.219
location on a primary major arterial adjacent to a

00:44:12.219 --> 00:44:15.389
neighborhood is the land use pattern that is repeated along

00:44:15.389 --> 00:44:17.000
West University Drive.

00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:20.000
I'm going to show you a map of that in just a minute.

00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:24.610
But also NRMU and CMG have similar dimensional requirements

00:44:24.610 --> 00:44:28.920
, which even though CMG has some additional uses that NRMU

00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:30.000
doesn't have,

00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:34.929
because they have the same maximum lot coverage and same

00:44:34.929 --> 00:44:39.000
height and same maximum or minimum lot area,

00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:43.000
the development pattern would be similar for that lot,

00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.000
whether it would be CMG or NRMU.

00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:52.489
There are some variations, but the lot coverage is the same

00:44:52.489 --> 00:44:53.000
.

00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:57.519
So in looking at how the area has developed, West

00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.000
University is a primary major arterial.

00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:03.289
And just to let you know, a primary major arterial is one

00:45:03.289 --> 00:45:06.719
of the highest street classifications that we have within

00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.000
the city of Denton.

00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:12.159
Its purpose is a route from outside the city to in the city

00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:16.280
or to move people out of the city and then also across the

00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:17.000
city.

00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.000
So these are substantial roads.

00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:28.000
And that is in part why CMG is located on West University.

00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:31.769
Ector, which is another street that is adjacent to the

00:45:31.769 --> 00:45:35.000
subject property, is a collector as well.

00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:40.030
So we have this pattern of the CMG on West University

00:45:40.030 --> 00:45:41.000
within residential behind it.

00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:44.420
And you can see it in North University Place that's across

00:45:44.420 --> 00:45:48.000
the street and a little east from the subject property.

00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:51.000
You can also see it in North Lake Park addition.

00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:55.000
It's similar to Westchester Park and also Carroll Park.

00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:59.309
So this is a land use pattern that is not uncommon in this

00:45:59.309 --> 00:46:00.000
area.

00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:03.210
And then our final consideration for the zoning case was

00:46:03.210 --> 00:46:05.000
Denton Plan 2030.

00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:09.000
The future land use designation is commercial for the area.

00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:13.639
The intent of commercial is to encourage concentrations of

00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:18.489
commercial uses, typically more auto oriented than maybe

00:46:18.489 --> 00:46:21.000
some of our more mixed use development areas.

00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.360
And then they could be standalone in some of the outlying

00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:25.000
areas.

00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.639
The Denton Plan also says that the character of the area

00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:29.000
should be maintained.

00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:33.889
Staff believes that CMG meets the character of West

00:46:33.889 --> 00:46:36.000
University Drive.

00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:39.269
We are going to discuss the neighborhood adjacent and that

00:46:39.269 --> 00:46:41.000
character in just a minute.

00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:42.000
So we'll get to that.

00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.780
And then NRMU district really isn't consistent with this

00:46:45.780 --> 00:46:48.000
future land use designation.

00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:51.880
It's a little more fine grain commercial, a little more for

00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.000
just the neighborhoods surrounding it,

00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:59.000
and a little more walkable than maybe West University is.

00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:03.940
So CMG or the commercial, the future land use designation

00:47:03.940 --> 00:47:07.800
of commercial, the intent is to eventually have an actual

00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.000
commercial zoning district.

00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:13.869
We don't have that yet, but CMG is probably the most

00:47:13.869 --> 00:47:18.000
appropriate for that future land use designation.

00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:22.039
So when we look at the future land use map of the West

00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.000
University corridor, you can see that it really does

00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:30.679
concentrate the commercial uses between I-35 and then also

00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:32.000
the north locust area.

00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.940
So you can see you've got the regional mixed use near the

00:47:34.940 --> 00:47:38.000
highway because there's even better access there.

00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:41.159
You've got the commercial corridor here and then it flows

00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:43.000
into the community mixed use.

00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:48.030
So the CMG does meet this future land use designation,

00:47:48.030 --> 00:47:52.230
particularly in terms of the concentrating of the

00:47:52.230 --> 00:47:54.000
commercial uses.

00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.659
So the criteria for approval for zoning cases is in subch

00:47:56.659 --> 00:47:59.000
apter three of the Denton Development Code.

00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.099
First, the proposal must conform to the future land use

00:48:02.099 --> 00:48:03.000
designation.

00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:08.000
CMG does conform to commercial future land use.

00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:11.119
We also, as staff, looked at the development pattern in the

00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:14.400
land uses surrounding the request and due to the

00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.679
development pattern on West University, we felt like this

00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:19.000
was an appropriate zoning district.

00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.309
And that the proposed rezoning facilitates adequate

00:48:22.309 --> 00:48:25.989
provision of transportation and other public convenience

00:48:25.989 --> 00:48:28.000
and public infrastructure.

00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:31.769
Due to the location on West University, we felt like the

00:48:31.769 --> 00:48:35.059
access to the site would be appropriate for a more

00:48:35.059 --> 00:48:38.000
community based commercial development.

00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.559
And then any additional infrastructure or public

00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:45.000
convenience would be addressed at Platting.

00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.269
So we looked at the zoning and we felt like the zoning was

00:48:47.269 --> 00:48:48.000
appropriate.

00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:51.659
However, during the process, staff asked the applicant to

00:48:51.659 --> 00:48:54.000
hold some neighborhood meetings.

00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.000
The applicant did hold two.

00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.949
We also communicated with the neighborhood and through that

00:49:00.949 --> 00:49:04.869
communication, we were alerted to the concerns that the

00:49:04.869 --> 00:49:06.000
neighborhood had.

00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:12.070
They had concerns about lighting and noise, traffic, visual

00:49:12.070 --> 00:49:15.000
impacts of a drive through.

00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.510
And so in order to address those, we worked with the

00:49:19.510 --> 00:49:23.000
applicant to put forth an alternative development plan.

00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:26.130
And we're using this as a mechanism to address those

00:49:26.130 --> 00:49:27.000
concerns.

00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:34.000
So it's allowing us to work on the site plan to elevate the

00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:38.440
development and to get a high quality development that

00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:42.000
would address screening, landscaping, lighting,

00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:46.000
transportation, the building elevations and signage.

00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:49.920
So we're going to look at the landscape plan, the site plan

00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:54.010
and some architectural renderings to talk about some of the

00:49:54.010 --> 00:49:57.000
things that are proposed with that ADP.

00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:01.000
So we'll first look at the site plan.

00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:05.000
It reflects two six foot monument signs.

00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.000
This is above what the code requires.

00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:11.219
The sign code for the city of Denton actually permits pole

00:50:11.219 --> 00:50:14.000
signs on University that can be 20 feet high.

00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:17.730
Because of this lot's location on Ector, they could also

00:50:17.730 --> 00:50:20.909
have an additional sign on Ector because Ector is a

00:50:20.909 --> 00:50:22.000
collector.

00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:27.820
So in our discussions, it was limited to two six foot

00:50:27.820 --> 00:50:30.000
monument signs.

00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:33.079
There's also a proposed six foot masonry screening wall at

00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:35.920
the southern edge of the property that is above what the

00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:37.000
code requires.

00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.000
Bicycle parking at each restaurant.

00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:42.869
Trash cans at the end of the drive through to address some

00:50:42.869 --> 00:50:45.000
of those concerns regarding litter.

00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:49.610
A photometric study that exceeds the Denton Development

00:50:49.610 --> 00:50:53.000
Code's requirements was also submitted.

00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:58.000
Crosswalks for pedestrian crossing.

00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:01.880
There is a bus stop here and so we told them that just in

00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:06.219
case somebody's walking to provide a safe place for them to

00:51:06.219 --> 00:51:07.000
walk.

00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:10.000
And then I want to talk about access for just a minute.

00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:13.429
The Denton Development Code requires that if access can be

00:51:13.429 --> 00:51:17.000
taken from a lesser street, then access should not be

00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.489
provided on an arterial, but rather be provided on a lesser

00:51:19.489 --> 00:51:20.000
street.

00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:24.000
In this case, Ector Street.

00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.610
In talking with engineering and with the planning and then

00:51:28.610 --> 00:51:32.989
also the developer, having the additional access on West

00:51:32.989 --> 00:51:38.000
University helps the circulation within the site and also

00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:42.460
takes pressure off of the entering and exiting the site

00:51:42.460 --> 00:51:44.000
just from Ector Street.

00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:47.730
As we all know, West University Drive is a text dot road

00:51:47.730 --> 00:51:51.000
and so text dot does require approval of that.

00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:54.670
In response to that, the applicant has submitted a TIA that

00:51:54.670 --> 00:51:58.889
engineering is reviewing right now and they have some

00:51:58.889 --> 00:52:04.710
confidence that text dot would approve this additional ride

00:52:04.710 --> 00:52:07.000
in, ride out access here.

00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.789
If that did not come about, if access could not be provided

00:52:10.789 --> 00:52:14.550
here, this ADP, if the zoning was approved and the ADP was

00:52:14.550 --> 00:52:18.349
approved, they could not build until they amended the ADP

00:52:18.349 --> 00:52:21.949
and staff would have some concerns about recommending

00:52:21.949 --> 00:52:27.000
approval for that because of the access issue.

00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:34.409
The landscape plan, both NRMU and CMG. NRMU requires 40%

00:52:34.409 --> 00:52:40.630
tree canopy, CMG requires 30%. The applicant is proposing

00:52:40.630 --> 00:52:42.000
59% on the site.

00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:46.389
They're proposing 29% landscaping, which exceeds the 20%

00:52:46.389 --> 00:52:47.000
required.

00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:51.519
They're proposing a 15 foot landscape area in the front,

00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:55.019
which is not a code requirement unless you have front

00:52:55.019 --> 00:52:56.000
parking.

00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:59.210
They're proposing foundational plantings on the Popeyes

00:52:59.210 --> 00:53:00.000
building.

00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:03.530
The menu boards are going to be located in about these

00:53:03.530 --> 00:53:07.400
areas and we felt pretty strongly as staff and then the

00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:11.400
neighborhood felt that menu boards can create noise and

00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:13.000
have visual impacts.

00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:16.920
So the applicant has created, you know, planted a tree here

00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.820
and added some plantings in order to screen that diagonally

00:53:20.820 --> 00:53:24.539
from the adjacent neighborhood to try to help soften that

00:53:24.539 --> 00:53:26.000
menu board area.

00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:30.719
And then some additional shrubs were planned for the

00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:34.000
southern portion, if approved.

00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.000
Here are some architectural renderings.

00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:39.000
We worked with the applicant.

00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:42.360
The city of Denton or the Denton Development Code does not

00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.369
have a masonry, a minimum masonry requirement for

00:53:45.369 --> 00:53:47.000
commercial buildings.

00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:51.510
They have submitted elevations that have a masonry

00:53:51.510 --> 00:53:56.000
percentage from 7 to 63%, depending on the view of the

00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:57.000
building.

00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:59.800
If it's more visible, then it's a higher masonry percentage

00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:00.000
.

00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:03.250
We also talked to them that we wanted some more muted

00:54:03.250 --> 00:54:04.000
colors.

00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:09.139
Just a color palette that is more compatible with a

00:54:09.139 --> 00:54:15.000
residential area because of neighborhood concerns.

00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:19.000
So that is the ADP portion of it.

00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:21.000
We'll go back to the zoning.

00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:23.480
Because the zoning requires a public notification, ADP

00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:29.000
doesn't, we did notify the public of the zoning request.

00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:33.519
We have received two opposition letters and then four in

00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:37.000
favor within the 200-foot boundary.

00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:40.679
We have received other letters, and I gave you copies of

00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:44.130
all of them that are from the adjacent neighborhood that

00:54:44.130 --> 00:54:45.000
are outside of the boundary.

00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:49.610
But within that 200-foot boundary, which is what triggers

00:54:49.610 --> 00:54:53.980
the supermajority requirement, we have received two letters

00:54:53.980 --> 00:54:58.000
of opposition, which does exceed the 20%.

00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:02.000
So a supermajority vote will be required to approve it.

00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:04.000
By council.

00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:05.000
By council.

00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.000
Here, no.

00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:10.510
So based upon the criteria for approval for the zoning case

00:55:10.510 --> 00:55:14.340
and the considerations presented here to you tonight, staff

00:55:14.340 --> 00:55:17.000
does recommend approval of the zoning case.

00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:21.230
We also recommend approval of the ADP with the condition

00:55:21.230 --> 00:55:25.190
that it is only valid if the zoning case is approved by

00:55:25.190 --> 00:55:29.000
city council, and I'll answer any questions.

00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:32.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:38.590
So if I understand you right, excuse me, the ADP won't be

00:55:38.590 --> 00:55:44.000
approved if we don't get that university entrance.

00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:48.840
The ADP before you tonight includes that West University

00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:50.000
entrance.

00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:53.539
If they do not get approval of that, then a building permit

00:55:53.539 --> 00:55:57.000
couldn't be issued because they have an ADP in place.

00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.000
A new ADP would have to come in front of you.

00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:03.429
Staff would have to look at what they propose, and we would

00:56:03.429 --> 00:56:06.000
make a recommendation based upon that.

00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:07.000
Okay.

00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:08.000
Does that answer your question?

00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:09.000
Sure. Thank you.

00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:11.000
One other thing, I'm sorry.

00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:15.719
On the east side, can you show the illustration where there

00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:18.000
's parking places there?

00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:19.000
Yes.

00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:20.000
Is that correct?

00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:23.289
And then, what is there, some land between the parking

00:56:23.289 --> 00:56:25.000
places and Hector Street?

00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:27.000
You brought something up I failed to mention.

00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:30.099
There is a three foot screening wall here that is a code

00:56:30.099 --> 00:56:31.000
requirement.

00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:33.000
This is kind of a landscape area.

00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:34.000
It has an easement.

00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:37.000
So, you know, not much landscaping can go in there.

00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:39.760
This would be Hector Street, and then this is where the

00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:41.000
parking would start.

00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:44.329
One other thing, those parking spaces are angled so that

00:56:44.329 --> 00:56:47.400
headlights, when they park in the evening, would go face

00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:51.000
toward University and not toward the neighborhood.

00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:54.000
But there's not room to put trees in there?

00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:56.000
There aren't trees.

00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:58.000
There isn't room in that.

00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:01.260
Easement trees aren't usually allowed within easements

00:57:01.260 --> 00:57:03.000
within the City of Denton.

00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:06.800
So, in those cases, our landscape administrator works with

00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:10.280
the applicant to meet the street tree requirement, but to

00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:12.429
group them together, and that's what they've done in this

00:57:12.429 --> 00:57:13.000
instance.

00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:15.000
Okay. Thank you.

00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:16.000
Commissioner Rosl.

00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:17.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:19.440
I have a lot of questions probably, but I'll narrow it down

00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:20.000
to three.

00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:24.280
Just to be clear, that is two separate votes tonight, one

00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:27.000
for rezoning and one for the ADP.

00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:28.000
Yes, sir.

00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.000
So, those are independent.

00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:33.630
The next question I had is, has there been any traffic

00:57:33.630 --> 00:57:36.000
impact study on Hector Street?

00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:39.320
If all exiting traffic, well, not I guess all, but a lot of

00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:42.400
exiting traffic and left, I guess westbound University

00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.000
traffic would have to enter through Hector as well.

00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:47.000
Has there been a traffic study on that?

00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:49.699
That has been submitted to the City, and engineering is

00:57:49.699 --> 00:57:51.000
reviewing it right now.

00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:53.000
Okay.

00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:58.500
And then lastly, you made a statement that if TextDOT did

00:57:58.500 --> 00:58:03.949
not approve the primary arterial entrance, staff would have

00:58:03.949 --> 00:58:06.000
concerns with approving the ADP.

00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:11.159
I'm just curious, that's a make or break in terms of the

00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:14.000
staff's recommendation?

00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:17.920
We would have to see what the applicant came back with to

00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:21.789
see how they would mitigate for that and how they would

00:58:21.789 --> 00:58:25.000
address those concerns that prompted that.

00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:29.380
Because that additional access really, when you're talking

00:58:29.380 --> 00:58:33.000
about circulation at the previous In-N-Out Burger,

00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:37.239
when we discuss the circulation pattern, that really helps

00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:41.320
to create a safe circulation pattern within the site, but

00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:45.000
it also takes the pressure off of Hector Street.

00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:50.000
So, staff recommends approval for this with that driveway.

00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:53.210
If they don't get approval for it, they would have to come

00:58:53.210 --> 00:58:56.139
back and we would just have to see what they propose at

00:58:56.139 --> 00:58:57.000
that time.

00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:59.769
I'm not sure if staff would give a recommendation of

00:58:59.769 --> 00:59:01.000
approval for that.

00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:03.960
And I guess going along with that, just so I understand

00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:07.230
this correctly, if someone's heading westbound on

00:59:07.230 --> 00:59:09.469
University, and they wanted to eat at one of these

00:59:09.469 --> 00:59:10.000
restaurants,

00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:13.510
and then they wanted to continue that journey still west

00:59:13.510 --> 00:59:16.000
ward, they would turn onto Hector, enter through the Hector,

00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.460
go through a drive-through, circle all the way back out to

00:59:19.460 --> 00:59:22.469
Hector, go to University, and then there's an unprotected

00:59:22.469 --> 00:59:24.000
left turn back on University?

00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:27.269
They could, or they could turn on Hector, turn on Emory,

00:59:27.269 --> 00:59:30.000
and then go to Bonnie Bray and up to the light.

00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.000
So, we kind of talked about all those scenarios.

00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:34.190
So, a potential reroute would be actually through the

00:59:34.190 --> 00:59:35.000
neighborhood?

00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:40.000
It would be on that edge of the neighborhood.

00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:41.000
Thank you.

00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:42.000
Sure.

00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:43.000
Commissioner Dudowitz.

00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:44.000
Yes, thank you, Chair.

00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:52.000
Can you show us a site plan that depicts this view, please?

00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:53.000
That?

00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:54.000
Neighborhood view.

00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:56.000
I want to understand what the surrounding area is.

00:59:56.000 --> 01:00:00.000
Don't help?

01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.000
Okay.

01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:04.000
So, we're talking about a neighborhood.

01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.659
Can you tell me where that neighborhood is, and how far it

01:00:07.659 --> 01:00:09.000
is away?

01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:10.000
That's Emory, right?

01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:14.000
This is, here's the subject property.

01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.099
There is a piece of property between this one and the

01:00:17.099 --> 01:00:20.400
neighborhood, and then you have Emory, which is sort of the

01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:23.070
northern boundary of these, of the Hector Street

01:00:23.070 --> 01:00:25.000
neighborhood, as well as the adjacent neighborhood.

01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:26.000
Okay.

01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:30.070
So, the property to the south is an empty field currently

01:00:30.070 --> 01:00:31.000
in a barn?

01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:35.000
I believe there's a single family, it's a house, yeah.

01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:37.000
I believe it's a single family residence.

01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:38.000
That's a house?

01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:39.000
Mm-hmm.

01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:40.000
In NRMU 12.

01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:42.000
It looks like a barn to me.

01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:44.000
Yeah, I'm not.

01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:46.000
If I may, sorry.

01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:48.539
And that property to the south, when they submitted their

01:00:48.539 --> 01:00:51.099
letter, correct me if I'm wrong, Julie, but they were in

01:00:51.099 --> 01:00:52.000
support of this.

01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:53.000
Yes.

01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:54.000
Okay.

01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:55.000
The property?

01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:56.000
The one to the south.

01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:57.000
The one that you-

01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:58.000
This property to the south and then this property.

01:00:58.000 --> 01:00:59.000
No.

01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:00.000
Both of them actually were in support.

01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:03.150
Yeah, though I believe, also correct me if I'm wrong, the

01:01:03.150 --> 01:01:06.139
person who wrote to approval for the south is also the one

01:01:06.139 --> 01:01:09.000
who's trying to sell the piece of property to the north?

01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:10.000
That it-

01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:11.000
Is that correct?

01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:12.000
I'm sorry.

01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:13.000
It's the same person?

01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:14.000
Is that-

01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:15.000
So the person-

01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:16.000
Okay, so back up.

01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:21.829
So the property to the south is in approval, is in support

01:01:21.829 --> 01:01:24.000
of this proposal.

01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:28.519
However, I believe that that person who submitted that

01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:33.079
letter is also the same party that is proposing this zoning

01:01:33.079 --> 01:01:34.000
change.

01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:37.869
I believe we- you do have a supportive letter in there from

01:01:37.869 --> 01:01:40.000
the current property owner.

01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:41.000
Right.

01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:45.510
This, my understanding, is these two are different property

01:01:45.510 --> 01:01:46.000
owners.

01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:47.000
Okay.

01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:48.000
Thank you.

01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:49.000
Now what's to the- continue my question.

01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:50.000
Sure.

01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.000
Is that the very funeral home there to the east?

01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:54.000
Yes, sir.

01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:55.000
Okay.

01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:56.000
And now what's to the east?

01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:59.000
Those two vacant- no, you're going east across Hector?

01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:00.000
Oh, I'm sorry.

01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:01.000
Is that a vacant-

01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:02.000
There's nothing here.

01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:03.000
Okay.

01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:04.000
Nothing there.

01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:05.000
And this is vacant and this is vacant.

01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:06.739
This is a single family home and this is a single family

01:02:06.739 --> 01:02:07.000
home.

01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:11.000
This one is actually has an NRMU 12 zoning designation.

01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:12.000
Okay.

01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:16.000
And then this one has an NR3 zoning designation.

01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:17.000
Okay.

01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:19.650
Because during your presentation you talked about parking

01:02:19.650 --> 01:02:22.679
being slanted so as not to put lights into it and I don't

01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:24.000
see hoses there.

01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:27.400
Well, just so if it were slanted the other way, it could

01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:29.000
shine into the homes.

01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:30.000
Okay.

01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:31.000
Okay.

01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:32.000
Okay.

01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:35.000
I have a question, a zoning question.

01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:42.000
Because I can see how CMG would fit along University.

01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:46.000
I'm not sure how I see how CMG could fit along Hector.

01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:52.360
So why is, and I understand this is a- NRMU is also- well,

01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:54.000
could you help me understand?

01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:59.300
Why is NRMU and NRMU 12 maybe not considered commercial

01:02:59.300 --> 01:03:01.000
whereas CMG is?

01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:03.000
You know, we discussed that.

01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:06.000
Sure, it does have a commercial component.

01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:11.500
But when you look at what the future land use designation

01:03:11.500 --> 01:03:15.000
is, CMG is a better fit for that future land use

01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:16.000
designation.

01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:19.349
Because actually the commercial future land use designation

01:03:19.349 --> 01:03:22.440
wants to take any residential component out of it and have

01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:24.000
it strictly commercial.

01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:28.159
CMG does actually have a residential component, but it does

01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:32.179
have more, a higher scale of commercial uses and also some

01:03:32.179 --> 01:03:34.000
more auto-oriented uses.

01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:36.360
So it fits within that commercial future land use

01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:38.000
designation a little better.

01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:43.099
NRMU is, it is a commercial zoning district, but the intent

01:03:43.099 --> 01:03:46.909
is to be a little smaller scale than maybe on a primary

01:03:46.909 --> 01:03:48.000
arterial.

01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:50.000
Could you give me some examples?

01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:52.300
Like, are we talking dry cleaners, bank, or- I'm sorry, go

01:03:52.300 --> 01:03:53.000
ahead Commissioner Taylor.

01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:55.539
I wonder if we're straying from clarification and moving

01:03:55.539 --> 01:03:58.030
into discussing the item if we shouldn't continue in the

01:03:58.030 --> 01:03:59.000
public hearing.

01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:01.000
Yeah, that's a good point.

01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:04.000
I'm going to hit you with that so be prepared.

01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:06.000
Okay, I'll be ready.

01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:07.000
One quick question.

01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:08.000
Commissioner Dunham.

01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.710
Yeah, just to make it very clear, under the current

01:04:10.710 --> 01:04:14.000
ordinance, zoning, they could put these restaurants in?

01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:15.000
Not with a drive-through.

01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:17.000
Okay, but they could put these restaurants in?

01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:18.000
Yes, sir.

01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:19.000
The only element is a drive-through issue.

01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:20.000
Yes, sir.

01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:21.000
Thank you.

01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:26.000
Anything else?

01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:27.000
Thank you, Julie.

01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:28.000
Thank you.

01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:29.000
Oh, sorry.

01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:30.000
Mr. Vash?

01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:32.000
Thank you, Chair.

01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:36.829
University doesn't have an island, so people heading west,

01:04:36.829 --> 01:04:41.570
I think Commissioner Lozell mentioned, can turn left off of

01:04:41.570 --> 01:04:44.000
University into Popeyes?

01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.000
It will only be a ride-in, ride-out.

01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:48.000
There wouldn't be a meeting opening.

01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.010
I believe there's a median opening at Ector, so there

01:04:50.010 --> 01:04:52.000
wouldn't be an additional meeting opening yet.

01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:54.489
So you were saying they'd have to turn left on Ector to

01:04:54.489 --> 01:04:56.000
come in and then go back out?

01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:57.000
Yeah.

01:04:57.000 --> 01:04:58.000
Okay, thank you.

01:04:58.000 --> 01:04:59.000
Sure.

01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.000
Thank you, Julie.

01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:05.000
And then our final item, we're throwing everything around.

01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:07.000
Is it 5C is next?

01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:09.000
Okay, thank you.

01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:14.000
Thank you, Chair.

01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.000
Hopefully this will be very brief.

01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:23.000
Is that the certain order it is in the order here?

01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:28.619
Mike, pardon the interruption, but since we're running a

01:05:28.619 --> 01:05:33.030
bit late for the regular session, I'm curious, did anyone

01:05:33.030 --> 01:05:35.000
need any clarification on this item right now?

01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:37.429
Are you willing to hold your questions until the regular

01:05:37.429 --> 01:05:38.000
session?

01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:40.000
Is that okay?

01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:41.000
Okay.

01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:42.000
Thanks, Mike.

01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:45.289
Okay, I guess with that, we will close our work session at

01:05:45.289 --> 01:05:48.230
635, and we will reconvene in the council chambers in just

01:05:48.230 --> 01:05:50.000
a few minutes for our regular session.

01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:59.280
Good evening, and welcome to tonight's regular session of

01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:06.000
the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting.

01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:08.000
It is January 13, 2016.

01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:10.000
The time is 646.

01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:13.300
Thank you all very much for your patience with us while we

01:06:13.300 --> 01:06:15.000
got up here this evening.

01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:18.139
We had a very long work session, so thank you for your

01:06:18.139 --> 01:06:19.000
patience.

01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:22.050
The first item on our agenda for this evening is the Pledge

01:06:22.050 --> 01:06:25.000
of Allegiance to both the U.S. and the Texas flag.

01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:26.000
Please rise.

01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.869
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

01:06:32.869 --> 01:06:37.320
America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one

01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:42.079
nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice

01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:43.000
for all.

01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:49.139
I pledge allegiance to the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance

01:06:49.139 --> 01:06:53.619
to the Texas, one state, under God, one nation, indivisible

01:06:53.619 --> 01:06:54.000
.

01:06:58.000 --> 01:06:59.000
Thank you.

01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:02.420
A couple procedural items we want to cover is you can see

01:07:02.420 --> 01:07:05.619
those of you who are holding an agenda, there are some

01:07:05.619 --> 01:07:08.239
items that are listed as public hearings, some items that

01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:11.000
are listed in the consent agenda, some that are items for

01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:13.349
individual consideration, and many of those items are

01:07:13.349 --> 01:07:14.000
related.

01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:17.000
So we're going to go a bit out of order this evening.

01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:22.000
Should we go through that now, Manal?

01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:23.000
Yeah?

01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:24.000
Would you like to walk us through that?

01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:25.000
Sure.

01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:26.000
Okay.

01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:27.000
Thank you, Vice Chair Husson.

01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:30.079
As you've mentioned, we are going to take the items that

01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:32.920
are listed on the agenda out of order in order to ensure

01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:36.340
continuity between certain zoning, certain cases or certain

01:07:36.340 --> 01:07:37.000
items.

01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:41.519
Taking that into consideration, in terms of the consent

01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:47.309
agenda items, we have item 3A, which is CV150004, which

01:07:47.309 --> 01:07:50.260
will not be addressed at this time due to its connectivity

01:07:50.260 --> 01:07:52.000
to another item on the agenda.

01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:55.969
However, the P&Z can choose to make a recommendation on

01:07:55.969 --> 01:07:59.000
items B, C, and D of the consent item.

01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:04.489
The individual items for individual consideration, those

01:08:04.489 --> 01:08:07.000
will be moved around too.

01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:10.860
We will first, in terms of if we discuss our scheduling,

01:08:10.860 --> 01:08:14.639
the public hearing items will start first with the first

01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:20.260
item being 5C, which is a zoning change request, which is

01:08:20.260 --> 01:08:25.000
item Z150032.

01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:28.359
The razor ranch related items that are referenced on the

01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:31.989
agenda, which is the conveyance plan, the final replant,

01:08:31.989 --> 01:08:35.000
the amendment to the overlay, and the two individual

01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:38.399
consideration items associated with site plan, will be

01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:40.000
heard last on the agenda.

01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:43.000
They will be heard last at the meeting.

01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:46.800
The second item after public hearing item 5C, the zoning

01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:50.409
change request, will be the zoning change request for a

01:08:50.409 --> 01:08:54.239
Burger King and Popeyes, the property on Ector Street in 3

01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:57.779
80, after which we will go immediately into an individual

01:08:57.779 --> 01:09:05.000
consideration item, which is item 4C for the requested ADP.

01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:08.079
And I'd be happy to assist along the way should there be

01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:09.000
any hiccups.

01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:12.000
Great. It's clear as mud. Thank you very much.

01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:15.750
Okay. So with that, the next item on our agenda is consider

01:09:15.750 --> 01:09:19.210
approval of the planning and zoning commission minutes. Is

01:09:19.210 --> 01:09:23.000
there any discussion about any of this?

01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:25.000
Commissioner Dudowitz?

01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:28.000
Yes, reference to the minutes, please.

01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:32.000
Let's see, the minutes, I have it noted here.

01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:35.000
December 9th.

01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:37.000
Page two.

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Page four.

01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:43.000
Starting with line 10 through 1112.

01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:47.739
I would like to add to that my request to add the townships

01:09:47.739 --> 01:09:51.189
of Louisville and Flower Mound as I requested as part of

01:09:51.189 --> 01:09:52.000
that study.

01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.000
It was not mentioned in the minutes.

01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:57.000
Thank you.

01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.000
I had a couple of quick edits too, please.

01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.000
It's from the November 18th meeting.

01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:05.000
Page three, line 30.

01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:08.430
We were talking about the proposed -- we were talking about

01:10:08.430 --> 01:10:10.000
our upcoming calendar.

01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:13.289
That wording is interesting where it says I seconded the

01:10:13.289 --> 01:10:16.000
proposed December 28th meeting date.

01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:17.000
I had questioned that.

01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:20.000
We were discussing that.

01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:24.000
That's line 30, page three.

01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:27.000
Also a quick typo, line 39.

01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:30.210
You have the word meetings, but it should be meeting

01:10:30.210 --> 01:10:31.000
minutes.

01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:35.170
And then at the bottom, I wasn't sure if it mattered or not

01:10:35.170 --> 01:10:40.000
, but on page 10, line 36, there was where we held the

01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:44.000
public hearing regarding the assembly halls, clubs, and lod

01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:44.000
ges.

01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:46.970
I believe we heard that prior to the mobility plan update,

01:10:46.970 --> 01:10:49.689
and I wasn't sure if it needed to be reflected as such in

01:10:49.689 --> 01:10:53.090
the meeting minutes, but those two items have been changed

01:10:53.090 --> 01:10:54.000
in the order.

01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:59.000
Those are my only edits.

01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:04.000
Anything else?

01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:06.000
Commissioner Taylor?

01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:10.680
With those corrections, I move approval of the minutes from

01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:15.000
the November 18th and December 9th meetings.

01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:16.000
Commissioner Beck?

01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:17.000
Second.

01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:19.000
We have a first and a second.

01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:22.000
Any further discussion?

01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:36.000
Please vote on the board.

01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:38.000
That motion passes.

01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:40.000
Five, zero.

01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:41.000
Thank you.

01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.100
And moving on then, we are going to be looking at the

01:11:44.100 --> 01:11:46.000
consent agenda, all but 3A.

01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:47.000
Am I correct in that?

01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:49.000
So we're looking at items 3B, C, and D?

01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:53.000
Correct.

01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:54.000
Commissioner Taylor?

01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:55.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

01:11:55.000 --> 01:12:01.229
I move we approve consent agenda items B through D and hold

01:12:01.229 --> 01:12:08.000
agenda item 3A until after we talk about agenda item 5A.

01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:09.000
Thank you.

01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:10.000
Commissioner Dudowitz?

01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:11.000
And I second the motion.

01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:12.000
Thank you.

01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:15.000
Any discussion on this?

01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:26.000
Please vote.

01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:29.000
That motion passes unanimously.

01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:30.000
Thank you.

01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:31.619
And now, Munal, you'll have to walk me through the next

01:12:31.619 --> 01:12:32.000
thing.

01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:33.000
What are we doing next?

01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:34.000
Absolutely.

01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:36.000
Now we're going to jump into our public hearings.

01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:40.619
And the first item that we're going to present before you,

01:12:40.619 --> 01:12:45.000
the PNZ Commission and our audience, is item 5C.

01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:51.000
And Mike Bell will present that to us tonight.

01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:53.000
Thank you, Chair, Munal, members of the Commission.

01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:56.000
This item is Z1532.

01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:59.000
It is for the Windsor Oaks Phase 1.

01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:03.000
Hopefully, as you'll see, this is a fairly minor amendment.

01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:05.880
This is a very wordy caption, but essentially they're

01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:09.000
trying to rezone three very small tracks to neighborhood

01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:14.590
residential 4 so that all of Phase 1 is under the same

01:13:14.590 --> 01:13:16.000
zoning.

01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:19.100
Just to weigh it back around, the area highlighted here in

01:13:19.100 --> 01:13:21.640
yellow is generally the area of the Windsor Oaks

01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:24.000
development, 200-plus acres.

01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:30.000
And then Phase 1 is the area outlined here in black.

01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:34.229
And then within Phase 1, which is the dotted area, you can

01:13:34.229 --> 01:13:38.140
see there are these three tracks that don't have the same

01:13:38.140 --> 01:13:39.000
zoning.

01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:41.000
So Track 1 is CMG.

01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:43.000
Track 2 is NRME 12.

01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:46.000
And Track 3 is NR3.

01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:50.390
And the remainder of Phase 1, as you can see in this color

01:13:50.390 --> 01:13:54.000
that's outside of the floodplain, is NR4.

01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:59.000
Again, Track 1, 2, and 3.

01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:03.619
The proposal, as you can see, is to change all these to NR4

01:14:03.619 --> 01:14:04.000
.

01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:06.949
You can see it not very clear on the overhead, but there

01:14:06.949 --> 01:14:10.000
are single-family lots that cross this zoning line.

01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:11.819
The intent is so that we can avoid some split zoning on

01:14:11.819 --> 01:14:14.000
these properties that they'll all be under the same zoning

01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:18.159
and avoid some potential complications for those future

01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:19.000
owners.

01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:22.000
In the end, it looks something like this.

01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:29.000
So all of Phase 1 that's developable will be in NR4.

01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:31.010
The considerations of this request is that it's not a

01:14:31.010 --> 01:14:32.000
significant change.

01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:34.300
It's very minor from the original plan for Windsor Oaks

01:14:34.300 --> 01:14:36.000
that was approved in 2002.

01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:40.140
It would bring all of the single-family lots under NR4 and

01:14:40.140 --> 01:14:44.000
avoid split zoning of several single-family lots.

01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:47.239
We did send notice to property owners who went 200 feet and

01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:49.000
addresses been 500 feet.

01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:55.000
We received one response in favor from the property owner.

01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:57.189
Based on the considerations and the requirements of the

01:14:57.189 --> 01:15:00.199
development code, staff recommends approval, and I'll stand

01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:02.000
for any questions.

01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:06.000
Any questions for staff?

01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:09.000
Thank you, Mike.

01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:11.430
This is a public hearing, so even if you have not filled

01:15:11.430 --> 01:15:17.119
out a card, you are welcome to approach the podium and let

01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:18.000
us know your thoughts.

01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:23.000
Okay.

01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:26.000
So do I close the public hearing at this point?

01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:27.000
Thank you.

01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:28.000
I'm kind of new at this job.

01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:33.680
So we're closing the public hearing and opening it up for

01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:35.000
discussion.

01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:36.000
Or a motion.

01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:38.000
Commissioner Dudowich.

01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:42.000
I recommend approval as presented and submitted.

01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:43.000
Thank you.

01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:44.000
Thank you.

01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:45.000
And Commissioner Beck?

01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:46.000
Second.

01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:48.000
Okay, so we have a first and a second.

01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:51.000
Any further conversation on this item?

01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:52.000
Okay.

01:15:52.000 --> 01:16:01.000
Then please vote.

01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:03.000
That motion passes 5-0.

01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:04.000
Thank you.

01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:06.000
And moving on.

01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:08.000
And now are we looking at item 5D?

01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:09.000
Correct.

01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:10.000
Thank you.

01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:12.880
Item 5D is to hold a public hearing and consider making a

01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:16.000
recommendation to city council regarding rezoning requests

01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:18.270
from neighborhood residential mixed use to community mixed

01:16:18.270 --> 01:16:19.000
use general.

01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:25.909
The subject property is approximately 2.1 acres generally

01:16:25.909 --> 01:16:31.810
located at the southwest corner of West University Drive

01:16:31.810 --> 01:16:34.000
and Ector Street.

01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:38.000
And I'm opening the public hearing now at 655.

01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:45.000
Thank you.

01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:51.000
See if I can find my presentation.

01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:53.960
If I could just make a comment for the record while staff

01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:56.000
is looking for the presentation.

01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:00.000
Who all is here to speak on this item?

01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:03.000
Raise your hand.

01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:05.659
Okay, since we have several speakers, I want to go ahead

01:17:05.659 --> 01:17:08.029
and just mention what the rules are regarding or the

01:17:08.029 --> 01:17:11.010
council rules that were recently passed regarding speaking

01:17:11.010 --> 01:17:14.000
and the time limits.

01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:17.510
Since we have several speakers, we're going to go ahead and

01:17:17.510 --> 01:17:20.000
limit your time to three minutes each.

01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:23.510
Any applicant and their agent on the public hearing item

01:17:23.510 --> 01:17:27.260
will be allowed to speak no longer than 10 minutes with a

01:17:27.260 --> 01:17:30.930
total of 20 minutes for all speakers representing the

01:17:30.930 --> 01:17:32.000
applicant.

01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:35.770
If there is a group of you that equals four or more persons

01:17:35.770 --> 01:17:40.010
, then you can designate a representative and you will have

01:17:40.010 --> 01:17:42.000
10 minutes to speak.

01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:45.000
Is everyone clear on that?

01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:46.000
Thank you.

01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:47.000
Thank you for that.

01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:50.300
And I'd like to make one more clarification too is that we

01:17:50.300 --> 01:17:54.729
're going to be hearing item 5D, which is specific to the

01:17:54.729 --> 01:17:58.000
rezoned requests from NRMU 12 to CMG.

01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:00.909
The alternative development plan, which is listed as an

01:18:00.909 --> 01:18:04.000
item for individual consideration, that's item 4C.

01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:05.000
We will be hearing that item.

01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:08.000
It is related, but we'll be hearing that item separately.

01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:11.000
So I see many of you have filled out cards for item 4C.

01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:13.000
I assume you might also want to speak on this.

01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:15.859
So I'll go through the stack and ask if you'd like to speak

01:18:15.859 --> 01:18:17.000
now and/or later.

01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:19.000
Clear as mud?

01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:20.000
Great.

01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:20.000
Thank you.

01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:24.000
Go ahead, Julie.

01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:25.000
All right.

01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:26.000
My name is Julie Wyatt.

01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:28.899
I'm an associate planner with the City of Denton and I'm

01:18:28.899 --> 01:18:31.000
presenting Z1527 to you.

01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:35.050
And just to reiterate, I'll just be going over the zoning

01:18:35.050 --> 01:18:36.000
case now.

01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:39.100
We'll talk a little bit about the alternative development

01:18:39.100 --> 01:18:41.000
plan and then we'll do that next.

01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:45.000
So a little different than we did in the work session.

01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:46.000
All right.

01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:49.210
So the request is to consider making a recommendation to

01:18:49.210 --> 01:18:53.489
City Council to rezone the subject property, which is 2.1

01:18:53.489 --> 01:18:55.000
acres from NRMU,

01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:59.390
Neighborhood Residential Mixed Use, to Community Mixed Use

01:18:59.390 --> 01:19:01.000
General, which is CMG.

01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:05.000
The subject property is located on the corner of West

01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:08.000
University Drive and Ector Street.

01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:10.000
And the existing zoning is NRMU.

01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:17.000
Here is the subject property right here.

01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:19.000
The request is before you today.

01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:21.630
The applicant would like to develop the property with a

01:19:21.630 --> 01:19:23.000
Popeyes and a Burger King,

01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:27.000
each of which need a drive-through.

01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:31.000
The current zoning of NRMU does permit the restaurant use.

01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:35.520
However, there is a limitation to that use that no drive-up

01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:39.569
service is permitted, that only sit down is -- it's only

01:19:39.569 --> 01:19:41.000
limited to sit down.

01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:44.100
So the applicant is pursuing a rezoning to CMG because

01:19:44.100 --> 01:19:47.770
restaurants are permitted by right as well as drive-through

01:19:47.770 --> 01:19:50.000
uses are permitted by right.

01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:53.779
The future land use designation of the property is

01:19:53.779 --> 01:19:55.000
commercial.

01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:59.520
The consideration staff looked at when we analyzed the

01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:01.000
proposal is first,

01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:03.770
the purpose of the CMG zoning district is to provide

01:20:03.770 --> 01:20:06.939
shopping services, employment, and recreation that is

01:20:06.939 --> 01:20:09.000
supported by the entire community.

01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:11.000
That is the intent of CMG.

01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:17.000
And CMG is typically found on primary arterials.

01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:20.779
Additional considerations, CMG district prevails along the

01:20:20.779 --> 01:20:23.000
West University Drive corridor.

01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:26.359
It is a commercial corridor, and we're going to look at a

01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:29.000
map in a second that demonstrates that.

01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:32.819
Additionally, the proposed CMG is a logical extension of

01:20:32.819 --> 01:20:37.060
the existing CMG to just adjacent to the property as well

01:20:37.060 --> 01:20:39.000
as across the street.

01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:42.949
And that the commercial use is permitted and CMG are

01:20:42.949 --> 01:20:47.329
consistent with the existing development pattern that

01:20:47.329 --> 01:20:51.000
exists on West University Drive as a commercial corridor.

01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:53.000
So let's look at a couple of maps.

01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:57.000
First, here's the West University corridor.

01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:00.729
You have I-35 as a boundary here and then about Locust here

01:21:00.729 --> 01:21:01.000
.

01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:04.770
And as you can see, much of this area has a zoning

01:21:04.770 --> 01:21:09.000
designation of CMG, save for a couple of parcels.

01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:15.000
But the predominant zoning on West University Drive is CMG.

01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:18.079
When you zoom into the subject property, you can see that

01:21:18.079 --> 01:21:21.090
the property adjacent to it does have a CMG zoning

01:21:21.090 --> 01:21:24.750
designation as well as across the street and then on down

01:21:24.750 --> 01:21:27.000
the street as well.

01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:29.880
And then when we look at the development pattern on West

01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:35.210
University Drive, over the years it has developed into a

01:21:35.210 --> 01:21:39.000
commercial corridor that has primarily auto oriented uses.

01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:42.869
You do have drive throughs, fast food, you have some banks,

01:21:42.869 --> 01:21:46.000
some employment areas, and then also retail.

01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:51.000
And this serves the entire community.

01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:54.729
The subject property's location on this primary major arter

01:21:54.729 --> 01:21:58.079
ial and adjacent to a neighborhood is a land use pattern

01:21:58.079 --> 01:22:01.000
that is repeated along West University Drive.

01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:03.000
And we'll look at that in just a minute.

01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:06.949
Additionally, NRMU and CMG have similar dimensional

01:22:06.949 --> 01:22:11.779
requirements so that even though the uses are different in

01:22:11.779 --> 01:22:15.000
CMG and have additional commercial uses,

01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:19.829
the way the property will develop will mimic in some ways

01:22:19.829 --> 01:22:24.359
the way that the current zoning does because the maximum

01:22:24.359 --> 01:22:29.000
lot coverage is the same for both CMG and NRMU.

01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:32.539
The maximum building height for both zoning districts is 65

01:22:32.539 --> 01:22:36.000
feet and the minimum lot area is 2500 square feet.

01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:42.590
So the dimensions of that development would be very similar

01:22:42.590 --> 01:22:43.000
.

01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:48.100
So when we look at the adjacency of neighborhoods to the

01:22:48.100 --> 01:22:53.470
commercial development on West University Drive, we first

01:22:53.470 --> 01:22:56.000
looked at what the corridor looked like.

01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:59.000
As I said, it's a primary major arterial.

01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:02.210
The definition of a primary major arterial per the DDC is a

01:23:02.210 --> 01:23:05.149
route that takes people in and out of the city as well as

01:23:05.149 --> 01:23:07.000
takes them across the city.

01:23:07.000 --> 01:23:09.000
So it's a major road within the city.

01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:12.079
In fact, the only higher road classification we have in the

01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:15.460
city is a freeway, so something like I-35 or parts of the

01:23:15.460 --> 01:23:16.000
loop.

01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:18.000
So it is a major road within the city.

01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:24.119
Additionally, Ector Street is a collector per our mobility

01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:25.000
plan.

01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.699
So then when you look at the development that's just beyond

01:23:27.699 --> 01:23:30.970
the commercial corridor, you see North University Place is

01:23:30.970 --> 01:23:34.130
also adjacent, so that's a residential adjacent to the

01:23:34.130 --> 01:23:35.000
commercial.

01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:39.520
North Lake Park addition, Westchester Park, and Carroll

01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:40.000
Park.

01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:44.609
So these are just some examples of how this land use

01:23:44.609 --> 01:23:49.000
pattern has been replicated down University.

01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:52.569
Our final consideration for the zoning case was the Denton

01:23:52.569 --> 01:23:54.000
Plan 2030.

01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:58.000
The future land use designation is commercial.

01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:01.880
The intent of the commercial land use designation is to

01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:05.869
have concentrations of commercial uses, often auto-oriented

01:24:05.869 --> 01:24:09.289
, maybe a little less mixed use than some of our other areas

01:24:09.289 --> 01:24:12.000
, or standalone commercial uses in outlying areas.

01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:17.029
In this instance, it would be commercial uses in more of an

01:24:17.029 --> 01:24:19.000
auto-oriented way.

01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:22.310
The character of the area should be maintained per the Dent

01:24:22.310 --> 01:24:23.000
on Plan.

01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:27.510
Staff believes that the character of University is

01:24:27.510 --> 01:24:31.000
consistent with the CMG zoning designation.

01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:33.649
However, we're going to talk about the character of the

01:24:33.649 --> 01:24:36.640
adjacent neighborhoods in the next case, because we do want

01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:38.000
to consider that as well.

01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:41.100
And that the existing NRMU designation isn't quite

01:24:41.100 --> 01:24:44.229
consistent with the future land use designation of

01:24:44.229 --> 01:24:47.000
commercial, because it is a little more fine grain.

01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:50.500
It's supposed to be a little more walkable, a little closer

01:24:50.500 --> 01:24:54.000
, a little more embedded with the neighborhoods to provide

01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:57.000
services for just the adjacent neighborhoods.

01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:00.760
NRMU isn't maybe necessarily the most appropriate zoning

01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:02.000
district here.

01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:06.699
NRMU is supposed to have, or is intended to have, daycares,

01:25:06.699 --> 01:25:11.909
dry cleaners, some of those types of uses that you would

01:25:11.909 --> 01:25:15.000
just want to run to in your neighborhood.

01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:18.000
Not serving necessarily the whole community.

01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:22.510
Then when we look at the future land use designation of all

01:25:22.510 --> 01:25:27.720
of this corridor, or the area, here is, kind of hard to see

01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:30.000
, here's 35 here, here is University.

01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:32.770
And then about Locust here, and here's our subject property

01:25:32.770 --> 01:25:33.000
.

01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:37.609
You can see that how the future land use designations in

01:25:37.609 --> 01:25:42.680
this area work is concentrating the commercial development

01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:44.000
in this area.

01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:50.880
And it is in an auto-oriented way because of the street it

01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:52.000
's on.

01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:54.880
The criteria for approval for zoning cases is in subchapter

01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:57.000
three of the Denton Development Code.

01:25:57.000 --> 01:25:59.630
The first criteria for approval being conformance with the

01:25:59.630 --> 01:26:01.000
Denton Plan 2030.

01:26:01.000 --> 01:26:07.000
CMG is consistent with the commercial zoning designation.

01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:11.510
Furthermore, the existing land use pattern of the

01:26:11.510 --> 01:26:16.779
development on West University, as well as the zoning along

01:26:16.779 --> 01:26:20.000
West University being CMG.

01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:23.000
The proposed zoning is consistent with that.

01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:26.340
The second criteria for approval is that it facilitates

01:26:26.340 --> 01:26:29.260
adequate provision of transportation and other

01:26:29.260 --> 01:26:32.000
infrastructure and public convenience.

01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:35.000
Due to the location on West University Drive.

01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:38.239
The CMG zoning district is appropriate because it does

01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:40.000
provide adequate access.

01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:44.609
Additional infrastructure considerations would be taken

01:26:44.609 --> 01:26:48.000
into account during the planning process.

01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:51.130
In order to address some of the neighborhood concerns, we

01:26:51.130 --> 01:26:54.420
will be discussing alternative development plan that ties

01:26:54.420 --> 01:26:57.000
the site plan to the proposed development.

01:26:57.000 --> 01:27:02.000
We'll go over that next.

01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:05.449
But the public notification was required for the zoning

01:27:05.449 --> 01:27:06.000
case.

01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:09.000
So a public notification was sent out.

01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:14.000
We have received some public response.

01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:16.590
This map is only looking at those responses that are within

01:27:16.590 --> 01:27:18.000
the 200 foot buffer.

01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:22.520
The Texas Local Government Code requires that if more than

01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:26.430
20% of the property owners within a 200 foot buffer from

01:27:26.430 --> 01:27:29.000
the subject property have an opposition to the project,

01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:33.000
then a super majority vote is required by city council.

01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:37.850
Due to the opposition that staff has received, that 20%

01:27:37.850 --> 01:27:40.000
threshold has been exceeded.

01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:43.000
So a super majority would be required by city council.

01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:48.909
We did also receive some notices in favor, one being the

01:27:48.909 --> 01:27:52.810
property owner and then the two properties to the south as

01:27:52.810 --> 01:27:55.000
well as one across the street.

01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:58.439
So based upon the considerations presented as well as the

01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:01.649
criteria for approval in subchapter three of the DENT

01:28:01.649 --> 01:28:04.760
development code, staff recommends approval of the zoning

01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:06.000
case and I'll stand for any questions.

01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:09.000
Questions for staff?

01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:13.000
I have a question, Julie.

01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:14.000
Sure.

01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:17.729
Can you again walk me through what would be some permitted

01:28:17.729 --> 01:28:21.000
uses in NRMU that are considered commercial?

01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:25.250
Well, for instance, restaurants are permitted, but they do

01:28:25.250 --> 01:28:29.029
have a limitation to size and also that drive up retail

01:28:29.029 --> 01:28:32.000
sales and service that are permitted.

01:28:32.000 --> 01:28:35.859
I'd have to get my code to run down the entire list, but it

01:28:35.859 --> 01:28:39.000
does have substantial commercial uses.

01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:43.000
However, they tend to be limited in their size.

01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:47.609
So that sort of then lends itself to a more neighborhood

01:28:47.609 --> 01:28:50.000
scale type development.

01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:55.220
But there are commercial uses that are currently allowed in

01:28:55.220 --> 01:28:56.000
NRMU.

01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:57.000
Yes.

01:28:57.000 --> 01:28:59.000
Okay. Thank you.

01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:00.000
Commissioner Roselle.

01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:01.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

01:29:01.000 --> 01:29:06.029
Can you go back to the slide that showed the kind of...

01:29:06.029 --> 01:29:07.000
that slide exactly.

01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:08.000
Yeah, correct.

01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:09.000
Good guess.

01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:10.000
I guessed.

01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:13.210
Just east of the proposed area, it kind of thins out there

01:29:13.210 --> 01:29:15.000
and then it widens back out.

01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:18.500
Is that current use because there's a school and floodplain

01:29:18.500 --> 01:29:21.000
there, but it's listed as commercial.

01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:24.100
You know, the future land use designation isn't exact

01:29:24.100 --> 01:29:25.000
parcel base.

01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:28.550
They really wanted to have it where, you know, kind of a

01:29:28.550 --> 01:29:30.000
little more fluid.

01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:33.680
So yes, I believe there is a school there and there's a

01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:37.319
substantial flood area there, but it's not intended to be

01:29:37.319 --> 01:29:40.500
absolutely what the parcel is, but just kind of the general

01:29:40.500 --> 01:29:41.000
area.

01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:42.000
Okay. Thank you.

01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:43.000
Sure.

01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:45.000
Commissioner Dudowitz.

01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:48.000
Just a follow up on your comment.

01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:51.680
The current size of the proposed buildings, would that be

01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:53.000
the current code?

01:29:53.000 --> 01:29:54.000
Yes, sir.

01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:56.000
And the only difference is the drive.

01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:57.000
Yes, sir.

01:29:57.000 --> 01:30:00.119
So the developer could build Popeyes and Burger King

01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:03.000
without the drive to meet the required code?

01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:05.000
Yes, sir.

01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:07.000
Commissioner Taylor.

01:30:07.000 --> 01:30:09.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

01:30:09.000 --> 01:30:11.569
A few questions, I'm going to start with zoning questions

01:30:11.569 --> 01:30:14.010
and then I'm going to overlap into some ADP questions

01:30:14.010 --> 01:30:16.000
because I do feel like we're...

01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:17.000
Sure.

01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:19.000
These are very intertwined.

01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:21.579
So NRMU does allow restaurants and there is a limit and it

01:30:21.579 --> 01:30:23.000
's a 100 seat limit.

01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:26.000
So it's a fairly large restaurant.

01:30:26.000 --> 01:30:28.000
Is that 100 seats?

01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:29.000
100 seats, yeah.

01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:31.000
Probably bigger than both of these restaurants.

01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:35.000
I believe their seats are much less than 100 seats.

01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:36.000
Yes, sir.

01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:39.340
And NRMU does allow drive through facilities with a

01:30:39.340 --> 01:30:41.000
specific use permit?

01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:44.000
It does, just not for restaurants.

01:30:44.000 --> 01:30:47.960
So if a bank had a drive through, then they would have to

01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:49.000
get an SUP.

01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:53.100
But because the restaurant has the limitation that that

01:30:53.100 --> 01:30:59.000
supersedes the drive through use and the use table, so yes,

01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:01.000
drive throughs are permitted, not with...

01:31:01.000 --> 01:31:03.000
Or permitted with an SUP, not with restaurants.

01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:04.000
Okay.

01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:06.000
So you mean like a pharmacy, bank, things like that?

01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:07.000
Dry cleaners, yes.

01:31:07.000 --> 01:31:08.000
Okay.

01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:10.000
And can you go...

01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:12.000
You had a map of the neighborhoods?

01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:13.000
Yes.

01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:18.170
And so in this view, you're demonstrating the CMG basically

01:31:18.170 --> 01:31:20.000
down university?

01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:22.000
Yes, sir.

01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:26.520
Looking at these very close districts that are potentially

01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:30.850
very conflicting, you have low density residential and CMG

01:31:30.850 --> 01:31:33.000
allows mid-rise offices,

01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:37.520
like lots of retail uses, large shopping centers, big box

01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:40.000
stores, a lot of times we'll use CMG to put in.

01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:43.210
That's where the Kroger and the strip center are on the Kro

01:31:43.210 --> 01:31:46.000
ger, on the south side of town, for example.

01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:49.359
But I notice, and we normally would buffer, we would have

01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:53.000
like an NRMU or something between a CMG and a neighborhood.

01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:57.189
But there are no buffers really along here except for just

01:31:57.189 --> 01:32:00.000
a few spots of NRMU and NRMU 12.

01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:05.029
Something I think is really significant though is I don't

01:32:05.029 --> 01:32:10.029
think of any place where the CMG directly fronts the front

01:32:10.029 --> 01:32:11.000
of a house.

01:32:11.000 --> 01:32:15.420
Like over in Carroll Park, I believe it's called, there is

01:32:15.420 --> 01:32:19.000
a strip center facing sunset, very long strip center.

01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:22.409
And it has an alley and a back fence and that hits the back

01:32:22.409 --> 01:32:24.000
fence of a neighborhood.

01:32:24.000 --> 01:32:26.239
So you can't even really get from that strip center to that

01:32:26.239 --> 01:32:27.000
neighborhood.

01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:31.310
It's a lot of work to get through and you have to cut over

01:32:31.310 --> 01:32:34.000
down Alice and get back around.

01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:39.000
Same thing in Westchester Park, you have, is it Primrose?

01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:41.319
I believe this is the name of the street that comes out on

01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:44.000
University, but it's a block long.

01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:45.000
It's really kind of funny.

01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:49.609
There's no commercial drive really putting traffic on Prim

01:32:49.609 --> 01:32:51.000
rose.

01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:54.449
And there's no commercial across from residential on Prim

01:32:54.449 --> 01:32:55.000
rose.

01:32:55.000 --> 01:33:00.029
And then when you get to Emory, while that is zoned CMG,

01:33:00.029 --> 01:33:03.000
there are no primary driveways coming out on Emory.

01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:05.000
And there are no houses that face Emory.

01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:09.000
All the houses there face Thomas, Bellmead, et cetera.

01:33:09.000 --> 01:33:11.000
Is that accurate?

01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:13.350
I believe there are a couple of streets because I did look

01:33:13.350 --> 01:33:16.789
at that as well because that was something that I looked at

01:33:16.789 --> 01:33:19.000
, that access.

01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:22.520
I believe to the north side there is one neighborhood that

01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:24.000
the houses do front.

01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:28.630
Don't quote me on that, but I believe because I did look at

01:33:28.630 --> 01:33:31.000
that as a consideration.

01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:35.619
And again, on the north side there might be one, well there

01:33:35.619 --> 01:33:38.000
is actually I guess off Hinkle perhaps.

01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:40.000
There's houses along Hinkle.

01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:44.000
But again, in the, your neighborhood, the name escapes me,

01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:46.000
back fences face back fences.

01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:49.359
You have behind your back fence you have a very low traffic

01:33:49.359 --> 01:33:50.000
alley.

01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:54.000
It probably gets less traffic than a residential street.

01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:57.000
So those form natural buffers.

01:33:57.000 --> 01:33:58.000
Right.

01:33:58.000 --> 01:33:59.000
Okay.

01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:01.000
Now I guess moving on to the ADP.

01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:05.000
So this is kind of presented intertwined with an ADP.

01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:08.100
And the purpose of the ADP is to place limitations to

01:34:08.100 --> 01:34:11.000
protect kind of the neighborhood from nuisance,

01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:18.000
from any kind of pain from commercial development.

01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:24.000
However, an ADP is, does an ADP run with the land?

01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:29.000
It would be specific to this development.

01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:33.380
So another development would not have to follow the ADP

01:34:33.380 --> 01:34:34.000
rules.

01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:37.399
So if we had an ADP here, so normally an ADP for the

01:34:37.399 --> 01:34:40.000
audience and people watching at home,

01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:43.989
an ADP will be used because this zoning category requires

01:34:43.989 --> 01:34:46.000
60% landscape.

01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:50.149
And they need 57% landscape and they'll modify their

01:34:50.149 --> 01:34:53.000
parking lot to be more amenable for some other use.

01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:54.000
So it's kind of a trade.

01:34:54.000 --> 01:35:00.300
In order to get your extra 3% of paved area, you give

01:35:00.300 --> 01:35:01.000
something else.

01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:05.789
But in this case, the ADP isn't, the development isn't

01:35:05.789 --> 01:35:08.000
losing anything to gain.

01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:12.000
It's just, we're trying to put some requirements on them.

01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:16.149
But if we passed, if we found an ADP that was amenable and

01:35:16.149 --> 01:35:19.000
we passed the rezone and the ADP,

01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:22.529
tomorrow the developer could scrap this site plan, sell the

01:35:22.529 --> 01:35:23.000
land,

01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:26.989
a new developer could come in and build any allowable use

01:35:26.989 --> 01:35:28.000
by zoning.

01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:32.770
And so that could be CMG, an office, strip center, you know

01:35:32.770 --> 01:35:33.000
, any kind of,

01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:40.029
a lot of fairly intensive office uses or medium to intense

01:35:40.029 --> 01:35:42.000
retail uses.

01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:46.000
I think that's all my questions.

01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:47.000
Thank you.

01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:51.000
Other questions for staff?

01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:52.000
Okay.

01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:53.000
Thank you, Julie.

01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:54.000
All right.

01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:58.619
The applicant is here if you have questions for the

01:35:58.619 --> 01:36:00.000
applicant.

01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:03.000
Would the applicant like to speak on this item?

01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:07.710
Please come forward, sir, and state your name and address

01:36:07.710 --> 01:36:14.000
for the record, please.

01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:16.000
Hi, good evening, everybody.

01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:19.100
My name is Armando Palacios and I'm director of development

01:36:19.100 --> 01:36:21.000
for Sun Holdings.

01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:26.029
And we're the ones that kind of get these two restaurants

01:36:26.029 --> 01:36:27.000
in here.

01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:31.000
What I wanted to say here that we understand everything

01:36:31.000 --> 01:36:32.000
what's going on around

01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:35.399
the restaurants with the drive-through and our intention to

01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:39.000
get an approval for an ADP.

01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:42.000
And I want to say also because we understand all these,

01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:46.520
we have been doing these meetings with the neighborhood and

01:36:46.520 --> 01:36:48.000
trying to understand

01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:54.399
their concerns and what to do to do a better building and a

01:36:54.399 --> 01:36:55.000
better,

01:36:55.000 --> 01:36:58.550
to have a better view for the city as well and not to

01:36:58.550 --> 01:37:00.000
bother anybody.

01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:02.420
So what we're trying to do and we are already doing

01:37:02.420 --> 01:37:05.000
according to this project is

01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:10.640
going above and beyond the landscape requirements, like any

01:37:10.640 --> 01:37:12.000
screening requirement.

01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:15.079
And in masonry requirements, we're going above and beyond

01:37:15.079 --> 01:37:19.000
those requirements as well.

01:37:19.000 --> 01:37:23.000
We also went ahead and did a traffic study for it.

01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:28.000
That way we also are into the requirements for that.

01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:31.000
And actually we have all these technicians in here today.

01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:35.609
So I'm going to hope we can, they can have some minutes to

01:37:35.609 --> 01:37:37.000
talk about it.

01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:42.460
And I want to say also we want to go to an ADP because

01:37:42.460 --> 01:37:44.000
normally our sales go in a good

01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:48.000
percentage on the drive-through as well.

01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:51.319
Our stores are 60 seaters because I heard the question

01:37:51.319 --> 01:37:52.000
before.

01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:55.000
Our stores are 60 seaters, each one of them.

01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:58.810
And we're just trying to, the main thing here is we're just

01:37:58.810 --> 01:38:00.000
trying to work with

01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:04.000
the neighborhood and have the best building possible and

01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:05.000
anything that can bother

01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:09.819
to address before, if everything goes fine, before going

01:38:09.819 --> 01:38:12.000
forward with the construction.

01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:14.000
So that is our point.

01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:15.000
That is what we want to do.

01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:17.770
We want to work with the neighborhood and have the best

01:38:17.770 --> 01:38:19.000
solution possible.

01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:21.489
So if any other questions, I would like to have the civil

01:38:21.489 --> 01:38:24.000
engineer to go ahead and

01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:26.000
explain some other things on it.

01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:28.000
And thank you for your time.

01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:29.000
Thank you, sir.

01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:31.000
Thank you.

01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:32.000
Can I ask a question?

01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:33.000
Oh, please.

01:38:33.000 --> 01:38:35.000
Sir, can you please return?

01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:36.000
I'm sorry.

01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:37.000
Commissioner Beck.

01:38:37.000 --> 01:38:39.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:43.430
Did I hear you correctly saying you would be in support of

01:38:43.430 --> 01:38:46.000
a traffic study for this area?

01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:49.000
Yes, we did a traffic study for it.

01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:51.000
For Ector Street?

01:38:51.000 --> 01:38:54.000
Yeah, for the whole side of it.

01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:57.449
And we got the technician here, the traffic study gentleman

01:38:57.449 --> 01:38:58.000
here.

01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:00.000
Okay, and he's going to give us those results?

01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:01.000
Okay, great.

01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:04.000
Thank you.

01:39:04.000 --> 01:39:05.000
Good evening.

01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:06.000
My name is Mickey Thomas.

01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:07.000
I'm with MJ Thomas Engineering.

01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:10.000
We're the civil engineer on the project.

01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:15.100
If you don't mind, I'd like to see if I can get back to the

01:39:15.100 --> 01:39:17.000
-- how do you get that to

01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:19.000
go back, Julie?

01:39:19.000 --> 01:39:23.000
There we go.

01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:24.000
Okay.

01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:26.829
I did want to let you know that we have worked diligently

01:39:26.829 --> 01:39:28.000
with staff on this.

01:39:28.000 --> 01:39:31.369
We've heard the city's comments and questions on this, and

01:39:31.369 --> 01:39:33.000
we've tried to appease the city

01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:38.000
as best we could on all of the site development issues.

01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:42.000
The city has also requested that we meet with the citizens,

01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:45.000
residents, adjacent to the property.

01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:48.649
We had a meeting with them in December, I believe, was the

01:39:48.649 --> 01:39:50.000
initial meeting.

01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:54.000
They came forth with some comments and concerns.

01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:56.699
We went back to the drawing board and offered up some

01:39:56.699 --> 01:39:58.000
possible solutions.

01:39:58.000 --> 01:40:00.439
There was a heavy rain that night, and there were a lot of

01:40:00.439 --> 01:40:02.000
storms the night of the meeting,

01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:06.000
so some of the residents were not able to attend.

01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:08.550
So we went ahead and voluntarily opted to have a secondary

01:40:08.550 --> 01:40:10.000
meeting so that way we could

01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:12.710
have additional comments and try and present some of the

01:40:12.710 --> 01:40:14.000
stuff that we've done.

01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:18.880
So in some of the things that we've heard, there were some

01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:21.000
concerns about the screening.

01:40:21.000 --> 01:40:24.270
So along the south side of the property line, our

01:40:24.270 --> 01:40:27.000
developers offered up to build a six-foot

01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:31.000
screening wall along there to help buffer and remove that.

01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:33.000
You can see the blue line.

01:40:33.000 --> 01:40:35.000
If I can get the cursor to move here.

01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:37.350
The blue line there, there will be a six-foot screening

01:40:37.350 --> 01:40:38.000
wall there.

01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:42.390
Also along Ector Street, the developers also agreed to put

01:40:42.390 --> 01:40:45.000
in a three-foot tall screening wall

01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:47.329
along there as well to kind of buffer some of the lights

01:40:47.329 --> 01:40:49.000
and some of the traffic and stuff.

01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:53.510
And other items that they were concerned about were the

01:40:53.510 --> 01:40:55.000
lighting on the site.

01:40:55.000 --> 01:40:58.500
With that, we've had a photometrics plan done to try and

01:40:58.500 --> 01:41:00.000
ensure that the spillage of light

01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:02.000
leaving the property line.

01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:07.029
So at the property line, it's a negligible light, 0 to 0.1-

01:41:07.029 --> 01:41:08.000
foot candles.

01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:11.260
Also the landscaping, and we do have the landscape

01:41:11.260 --> 01:41:13.000
architect here to discuss that,

01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:15.699
but we have gone above and beyond the landscaping on this

01:41:15.699 --> 01:41:18.000
site to try and buffer

01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:20.760
and make it also look a little more palatable to the city

01:41:20.760 --> 01:41:22.000
and the residences.

01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:28.000
And the lighting buffer.

01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:30.840
The funeral home also, we've also provided additional

01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:34.000
buffer back to the west of us to the funeral home.

01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:37.229
And then on the traffic, there was a lot of concerns about

01:41:37.229 --> 01:41:40.000
the traffic that it was just going to be a total nightmare.

01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:43.140
So the developer agreed to go ahead and do a voluntary

01:41:43.140 --> 01:41:45.000
traffic study for the site.

01:41:45.000 --> 01:41:48.970
So we've gone in and had that reviewed and everything

01:41:48.970 --> 01:41:52.000
appears to be fine on the traffic study.

01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:55.000
And he's here to talk about that more.

01:41:55.000 --> 01:42:00.000
The other item that came up with the residences was trash.

01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:02.000
You know, people throwing trash out and stuff like that.

01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:04.729
So the developers agreed to place some additional trash

01:42:04.729 --> 01:42:06.000
receptacles on the site.

01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:09.789
And then also if it was a major problem, then they would

01:42:09.789 --> 01:42:12.000
also try and go pick up the trash as well.

01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:15.229
So with that being said, I'd be happy to answer any

01:42:15.229 --> 01:42:16.000
questions,

01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:19.100
or we can also bring down the traffic or landscape

01:42:19.100 --> 01:42:22.000
architect as well to answer any questions.

01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:23.000
Commissioner Beck.

01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:25.000
Thanks, Vice Chair.

01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:28.250
You said you would be putting a buffer up on the west side

01:42:28.250 --> 01:42:30.000
between you and DeBerry.

01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:32.000
What exactly are you putting up?

01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:35.100
On the west side of the property, along the property line,

01:42:35.100 --> 01:42:37.000
right here along these parking stalls,

01:42:37.000 --> 01:42:40.569
we're going to be putting in a three-foot, I believe it's m

01:42:40.569 --> 01:42:41.000
asonry.

01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:43.000
That's east side.

01:42:43.000 --> 01:42:44.000
I'm sorry, east side.

01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:46.000
There's a masonry fence.

01:42:46.000 --> 01:42:49.449
On the west side, it's going to be a substantial landscape

01:42:49.449 --> 01:42:52.000
buffer between us and the funeral home.

01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:54.000
Okay, what do you mean substantial?

01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:57.000
That is, we're the landscape architect.

01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:00.000
He'll fill me in on that.

01:43:00.000 --> 01:43:02.000
We've got Terry Shroud's class.

01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:04.000
Sir, could you, this is a public hearing for the record.

01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:06.000
Could you please speak into the microphone?

01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:08.000
Thank you.

01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:11.810
There's people watching at home that would like to hear

01:43:11.810 --> 01:43:13.000
your answer.

01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:14.000
My name is Donald Bounds.

01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:16.909
I'm with Birkenbeil Landscape Architects, and we're the

01:43:16.909 --> 01:43:20.000
landscape architects working on this project.

01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:24.199
And on the west side of the property, we're maintaining the

01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:26.000
trees that are existing,

01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:28.829
and then we're supplementing that with Nellie R. Stevenholy

01:43:28.829 --> 01:43:35.000
, which is an evergreen holly that gets very large.

01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:36.000
Thank you.

01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:38.000
How high are the hollies?

01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:40.000
Well, like six, it can get six feet.

01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:41.000
Up to six feet.

01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:42.000
Yeah.

01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:43.000
Okay.

01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:44.000
Okay, thank you.

01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:45.319
And so before you sit down, can you please state your

01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:46.000
address for the record?

01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:51.460
Yes, it's 2001 North Lamar Street, Suite 401 Dallas, Texas,

01:43:51.460 --> 01:43:53.000
75206.

01:43:53.000 --> 01:43:57.000
Thank you.

01:43:57.000 --> 01:44:02.000
Are there other questions for the applicant?

01:44:02.000 --> 01:44:07.000
Okay.

01:44:07.000 --> 01:44:10.100
And are there any other representatives here for the

01:44:10.100 --> 01:44:11.000
applicant?

01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:14.000
Yes, okay, thank you.

01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:20.640
And again, state your name and address for the record,

01:44:20.640 --> 01:44:22.000
please.

01:44:22.000 --> 01:44:25.729
I'm Larry Servanko with Minckley Barfield, and I'm with the

01:44:25.729 --> 01:44:27.000
Traffic and General Job.

01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:31.670
And our address is 8201 Gateway in Richardson, so I'm here

01:44:31.670 --> 01:44:34.000
to answer any questions you have.

01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:37.000
We did do a traffic count in November of '19.

01:44:37.000 --> 01:44:40.239
Before Thanksgiving, typically traffic is pretty busy at

01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:41.000
that time.

01:44:41.000 --> 01:44:45.000
We did a level of service analysis of what's out there now,

01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:48.000
and then we added traffic from both of these sites.

01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:52.000
And we also looked at traffic five years in the future.

01:44:52.000 --> 01:44:56.000
And all this analysis means that the level of service,

01:44:56.000 --> 01:45:00.779
which is how we judge our traffic operations, is acceptable

01:45:00.779 --> 01:45:04.000
in all cases, even five years in the future.

01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:08.000
And we recommended the two drives.

01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:11.789
The amount of trips that will be generated will be about 60

01:45:11.789 --> 01:45:15.409
in the morning and about 80 in the afternoon, and that's

01:45:15.409 --> 01:45:16.000
for both sites.

01:45:16.000 --> 01:45:19.229
In the mornings, Popeyes doesn't have any breakfast, so

01:45:19.229 --> 01:45:22.000
there won't be as much traffic in the morning.

01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:24.000
In the afternoon, it goes up a little bit.

01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:27.100
And then with the two drives, what's going to happen is

01:45:27.100 --> 01:45:30.050
most of the traffic that's going to be going to the site

01:45:30.050 --> 01:45:32.000
will be driving along 380.

01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:34.310
And a lot of these people will be going to work, whatever,

01:45:34.310 --> 01:45:36.520
and will come in, get something to eat, and then go back

01:45:36.520 --> 01:45:37.000
out.

01:45:37.000 --> 01:45:40.149
That's why we want the driveway onto University Park, or

01:45:40.149 --> 01:45:44.000
University, because we didn't deduct any traffic for that,

01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:46.000
but that's called pass-through traffic.

01:45:46.000 --> 01:45:49.489
It's traffic that would normally be on the road, but they

01:45:49.489 --> 01:45:52.899
alter their route to get something to eat and then get back

01:45:52.899 --> 01:45:54.000
on the street.

01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:57.100
So we could have reduced the trips a little bit more for

01:45:57.100 --> 01:46:00.380
that, but we decided to see what it looks like in the worst

01:46:00.380 --> 01:46:01.000
case.

01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:05.000
So the analysis shows that it's a good level of service.

01:46:05.000 --> 01:46:07.000
Do you have any questions?

01:46:07.000 --> 01:46:10.560
And before I get to you all, did you look at traffic counts

01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:14.060
only on University, or did you also look at Hector and Em

01:46:14.060 --> 01:46:15.000
ory as well?

01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:18.000
We didn't do Emory, but we did Hector.

01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:22.310
And on Hector, we just had about 10 to 13 cars that were

01:46:22.310 --> 01:46:25.000
going up and down in both directions.

01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:26.000
Thank you.

01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:29.000
Commissioner Taylor.

01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:31.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

01:46:31.000 --> 01:46:34.100
Just to understand those numbers, when you say 60 in the

01:46:34.100 --> 01:46:38.000
morning, 80 in the afternoon, that's like trips per hour?

01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:39.000
Per hour, yes.

01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:43.510
And did you have a -- did you model like the breakdown of

01:46:43.510 --> 01:46:47.659
traffic that would be in and out only on University versus

01:46:47.659 --> 01:46:50.000
-- and could you say what was the --

01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:53.760
like the -- that's the 60, 80, it's essentially the same

01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:57.409
amount that's entering will be leaving, so it's about 60 in

01:46:57.409 --> 01:47:01.010
the morning coming in and leaving, and afternoon will be 80

01:47:01.010 --> 01:47:02.000
coming in.

01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:05.850
Well, did you model whether they leave or enter on

01:47:05.850 --> 01:47:10.000
University versus leaving or entering on Hector?

01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:12.000
It's about 50/50 split.

01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:16.000
Probably because of the medians, it's hard to turn left.

01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:19.289
That's right, and the University does not have a median in

01:47:19.289 --> 01:47:22.529
that particular driveway, so anybody wanting to turn left

01:47:22.529 --> 01:47:25.359
is going to be doing it at Hector and turning right into

01:47:25.359 --> 01:47:28.630
the site and left out and making a right to go back to

01:47:28.630 --> 01:47:30.000
where they came from.

01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:33.789
And is there -- so you do the -- looks at morning and

01:47:33.789 --> 01:47:35.000
afternoon.

01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:38.000
Did you do nighttime?

01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:40.350
Like what -- so basically a drive-through restaurant is

01:47:40.350 --> 01:47:43.000
typically open until 11 p.m. or midnight?

01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:47.789
No, typically we use ITE trip generation rates to determine

01:47:47.789 --> 01:47:52.260
how many trips are going to be coming with that size, and

01:47:52.260 --> 01:47:56.340
they suggest that the -- you know, four to five, five to

01:47:56.340 --> 01:47:59.649
six is the peak hour for those trips, because people are

01:47:59.649 --> 01:48:02.449
going home and they want to get something to eat, take it

01:48:02.449 --> 01:48:03.000
home with them.

01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:07.000
That's why we key on that particular time period.

01:48:07.000 --> 01:48:08.000
Right.

01:48:08.000 --> 01:48:10.750
So if the other Burger Kings in Denton close at midnight,

01:48:10.750 --> 01:48:13.460
would there -- I'm trying to understand what the traffic

01:48:13.460 --> 01:48:16.319
difference would be from say 9 p.m. to midnight on the

01:48:16.319 --> 01:48:18.000
residential street versus --

01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:19.000
It could be less.

01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:20.000
Yeah.

01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:23.210
There could be some people in the neighborhood who want to

01:48:23.210 --> 01:48:26.260
get a bite to eat at midnight, but probably a very small

01:48:26.260 --> 01:48:27.000
amount.

01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:28.000
All right.

01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:29.000
Thank you.

01:48:29.000 --> 01:48:31.000
Let's get real hungry.

01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:32.000
Commissioner Rossell.

01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:34.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:36.880
If I understand, first of all, these questions seem to be

01:48:36.880 --> 01:48:38.000
regarding the ADP.

01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:40.579
I don't want -- is it okay for me to ask more questions

01:48:40.579 --> 01:48:43.659
about traffic studies since we have the individual here, or

01:48:43.659 --> 01:48:46.000
should I wait until we go to the other item?

01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:47.189
I don't want to blur the lines any more than they might

01:48:47.189 --> 01:48:48.000
have already been blurred.

01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:52.510
Well, we've been allowing a line of questioning for general

01:48:52.510 --> 01:48:56.050
purposes as it relates to the zoning, but if it's very in-

01:48:56.050 --> 01:48:58.000
depth, I would hold it.

01:48:58.000 --> 01:49:00.000
It's -- I don't think it's too in-depth.

01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:01.000
Okay.

01:49:01.000 --> 01:49:04.420
Just to clarify, though, yeah, the traffic also affects rez

01:49:04.420 --> 01:49:05.000
oning.

01:49:05.000 --> 01:49:06.000
Right.

01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:07.000
So --

01:49:07.000 --> 01:49:10.079
Well, hopefully it wouldn't considering if we're rezoning

01:49:10.079 --> 01:49:12.000
this regardless of what's going in.

01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:14.050
So the rezoning is independent, I would believe, of any

01:49:14.050 --> 01:49:15.000
potential building.

01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:19.050
So if it's a bank or a drive-through, that's, I don't think

01:49:19.050 --> 01:49:21.000
pertinent to rezoning.

01:49:21.000 --> 01:49:24.000
So I don't know if traffic studies pertinent to rezoning.

01:49:24.000 --> 01:49:26.609
But while I have you here, I wanted to talk to you about if

01:49:26.609 --> 01:49:29.000
I understand the traffic flow of the property,

01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:31.300
if I'm hitting westbound on University, in order to enter

01:49:31.300 --> 01:49:33.000
the property, I must turn onto Ector.

01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:36.000
You can turn left onto Ector and then right into the drive.

01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:37.000
Okay.

01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:39.569
And then if I want to exit going back westway, I have to go

01:49:39.569 --> 01:49:42.000
back out Ector and then take an unprotected left --

01:49:42.000 --> 01:49:44.479
If we have this other driveway, you can come out and just

01:49:44.479 --> 01:49:47.510
make a right turn on University and don't get on Ector at

01:49:47.510 --> 01:49:48.000
all.

01:49:48.000 --> 01:49:49.989
But if I need to take a left on University, I would have to

01:49:49.989 --> 01:49:51.000
hit Ector, correct?

01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:52.000
That's correct.

01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:53.000
Okay.

01:49:53.000 --> 01:49:54.340
So if I was going westway, wanted to get somebody to

01:49:54.340 --> 01:49:55.000
continue westward --

01:49:55.000 --> 01:49:56.000
You'd have to --

01:49:56.000 --> 01:49:57.000
-- you'd have to --

01:49:57.000 --> 01:49:58.000
-- Ector.

01:49:58.000 --> 01:49:59.000
-- and then turn left.

01:49:59.000 --> 01:50:01.770
Knowing the area, I'm much more inclined, instead of trying

01:50:01.770 --> 01:50:04.430
to make an unprotected left on University, to swing around

01:50:04.430 --> 01:50:05.000
to Emory.

01:50:05.000 --> 01:50:08.100
And so I'm curious why that wasn't included in the study,

01:50:08.100 --> 01:50:11.000
because I think naturally a lot of drivers would see that

01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:13.000
an open road to Bonnie Bray and take it.

01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:15.000
And that's part of my concern about the traffic.

01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:17.000
And it goes to maybe the number you mentioned.

01:50:17.000 --> 01:50:20.729
You said that there's 80 cars an hour, but you said there's

01:50:20.729 --> 01:50:23.000
a 50/50 split onto Ector.

01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:25.579
But you also said the impact on Ector would be 10 to 13

01:50:25.579 --> 01:50:26.000
cars.

01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:28.000
Maybe I'm asking a little fuzzy.

01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:30.000
Can you help me out on that?

01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:31.000
Okay.

01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:40.000
Well, do you have the -- the total number of trips is 170.

01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:41.000
Okay.

01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:43.000
So we have half of that's entering, half is exiting.

01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:46.439
And then half of that would be on University, and the other

01:50:46.439 --> 01:50:48.000
half would be on Ector.

01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:51.000
That's still substantially more than 10 to 13 cars.

01:50:51.000 --> 01:50:52.000
Oh, yes, yes, yes.

01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:53.000
Okay.

01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:54.789
But it's still -- the level of service is still pretty good

01:50:54.789 --> 01:50:55.000
.

01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:56.000
Okay.

01:50:56.000 --> 01:50:59.000
Then can you clarify where I heard the 10 to 13 cars?

01:50:59.000 --> 01:51:00.000
Maybe I misunderstood.

01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:01.000
No, that's our actual count.

01:51:01.000 --> 01:51:03.000
That's the actual count on Ector.

01:51:03.000 --> 01:51:04.000
Okay.

01:51:04.000 --> 01:51:06.000
Thank you for that clarification.

01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:11.000
Thank you, sir.

01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:15.710
Seeing no other questions for the applicant, I'm going to

01:51:15.710 --> 01:51:18.000
start reading some of these cards.

01:51:18.000 --> 01:51:21.109
And as I said, some of you filled out that you want to

01:51:21.109 --> 01:51:23.000
speak in regards to the ADP.

01:51:23.000 --> 01:51:26.420
And some of you wrote that you wanted to speak in regards

01:51:26.420 --> 01:51:28.000
to the zoning change.

01:51:28.000 --> 01:51:29.000
So I'm just going to go through these.

01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:32.039
And if you'd like to hold your comments later for the ADP,

01:51:32.039 --> 01:51:33.000
we can do that.

01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:34.000
But we'll just start.

01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:36.970
So Michael Hennen, would you like to speak on this item or

01:51:36.970 --> 01:51:38.000
the ADP or both?

01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:39.000
Okay.

01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:40.000
Come on forward.

01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:42.520
And you'll have three minutes if you could set your name

01:51:42.520 --> 01:51:44.000
and address for the record.

01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:46.000
But I know you've done this before, so thanks.

01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:54.000
I'm Michael Hennen.

01:51:54.000 --> 01:51:56.000
I live at 724 Thomas Street.

01:51:56.000 --> 01:52:00.659
And I'm speaking in opposition to both of these requests

01:52:00.659 --> 01:52:03.000
tonight for two reasons.

01:52:03.000 --> 01:52:07.390
One is, well, we heard staff say that these requests were

01:52:07.390 --> 01:52:11.000
consistent with the Denton 2030 plan.

01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:14.000
And I disagree with that on a general basis.

01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:19.510
The Denton 2030 plan calls for the city to promote balanced

01:52:19.510 --> 01:52:22.000
managed growth in the city.

01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:27.029
And I contend that the growth along University Avenue now

01:52:27.029 --> 01:52:32.000
is unbalanced in favor of fast food restaurants.

01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:34.199
I did a survey this morning, so I'd have the latest

01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:35.000
information.

01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:40.659
Here's what we've got now between I-35 and North Elm Street

01:52:40.659 --> 01:52:41.000
.

01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:46.029
Two McDonald's, two Whataburger's, a Brahms, a Panera that

01:52:46.029 --> 01:52:53.000
also has a drive-thru, a Taco Casa, Taco Bell, Taco Bueno,

01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:55.000
Taco Cabana,

01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:59.829
Sonic, a Starbucks with a drive-thru, Chick-fil-A, Wendy's,

01:52:59.829 --> 01:53:06.000
Pollo Regio, Mi Casita, Grandys, Arby's, Jack in the Box,

01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:09.000
Schlatzky's, and a KFC.

01:53:09.000 --> 01:53:11.000
That's what we have now.

01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:15.039
University Avenue, rather than being a balanced use of

01:53:15.039 --> 01:53:19.779
commercial properties, is turning into a strip of fast food

01:53:19.779 --> 01:53:21.000
restaurants.

01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:24.270
And I contend that that's not balanced growth and it's

01:53:24.270 --> 01:53:26.000
unhealthy for the city.

01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:32.000
The second thing is these businesses are trash generators.

01:53:32.000 --> 01:53:35.210
Now, I don't live within 200 feet or 500 feet from these

01:53:35.210 --> 01:53:36.000
properties.

01:53:36.000 --> 01:53:39.000
I live across the street from McKenna Park.

01:53:39.000 --> 01:53:44.659
But every day I go across the street and I find bags from

01:53:44.659 --> 01:53:50.189
Burger King or from, excuse me, not Burger King, from Sonic

01:53:50.189 --> 01:53:54.000
or from Whataburger or from McDonald's

01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:57.760
that people have thrown into McKenna Park or have thrown

01:53:57.760 --> 01:54:01.439
out of their car windows after they eat it and just throw

01:54:01.439 --> 01:54:03.000
it there by the park.

01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:07.000
So these businesses generate trash.

01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:10.500
We have enough of them already on University Avenue and we

01:54:10.500 --> 01:54:12.000
don't need any more.

01:54:12.000 --> 01:54:18.020
This body is supposed to promote balanced growth in our

01:54:18.020 --> 01:54:19.000
city.

01:54:19.000 --> 01:54:24.729
We don't need more fast food restaurants on that portion of

01:54:24.729 --> 01:54:27.000
University Avenue.

01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:31.520
The only way to promote more of them would be to promote un

01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:34.000
balanced growth in our city.

01:54:34.000 --> 01:54:36.000
We're matched out right now.

01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:42.140
The proposed use, especially the proposed change in the

01:54:42.140 --> 01:54:46.770
zoning, would allow for other kinds of development to go in

01:54:46.770 --> 01:54:50.100
there potentially that are inconsistent with the kind of

01:54:50.100 --> 01:54:53.000
neighborhood we want to keep in that part of Denton.

01:54:53.000 --> 01:54:57.000
Thank you.

01:54:57.000 --> 01:55:03.000
Our next speaker is Jesse Davis.

01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:05.000
You can state your name and address for the record, please.

01:55:05.000 --> 01:55:06.000
Thank you.

01:55:06.000 --> 01:55:07.000
My name is Jesse Davis.

01:55:07.000 --> 01:55:09.000
I live at 1228 Hector.

01:55:09.000 --> 01:55:12.000
That's within 500 feet of the proposed development.

01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:14.000
That's within 500 feet of the subject property.

01:55:14.000 --> 01:55:16.000
First, thank you very much for bearing with us tonight.

01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:19.100
By the time you hear from the last of us, you might be

01:55:19.100 --> 01:55:21.000
ready to go home, go to sleep.

01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:22.000
But thank you for bearing with us.

01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:25.000
We're here tonight because this looks like a simple issue.

01:55:25.000 --> 01:55:28.470
This looks like coloring then the right colors on the map,

01:55:28.470 --> 01:55:30.000
making things match.

01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:31.000
It's not that simple.

01:55:31.000 --> 01:55:33.000
There's a deeper history to where we live.

01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:35.000
There's a deeper history to this issue.

01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:37.659
And that's why we included the Neighborhood in Opposition

01:55:37.659 --> 01:55:39.000
one pager in your packet.

01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:41.770
One thing that didn't make it into your packet due to an

01:55:41.770 --> 01:55:45.000
email issue is the petition with 79 signatures on it.

01:55:45.000 --> 01:55:47.550
We purposely shielded this petition from people who live

01:55:47.550 --> 01:55:49.000
outside our neighborhood.

01:55:49.000 --> 01:55:52.000
This is 79 people who live inside of our neighborhood.

01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:54.000
Majority of us owner occupied homes.

01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:58.390
Majority of us there in the NR1 designation on higher value

01:55:58.390 --> 01:55:59.000
homes.

01:55:59.000 --> 01:56:01.000
This other thing that will be in the City Council's packet

01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:03.909
is a resolution from the Church of St. David of Wales up at

01:56:03.909 --> 01:56:05.000
the top of the hill.

01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:08.100
They voted last night against this resolution, excuse me,

01:56:08.100 --> 01:56:10.000
against this rezoning because it affects them too.

01:56:10.000 --> 01:56:12.029
You're also going to hear tonight from commercial property

01:56:12.029 --> 01:56:13.000
owners who are opposed.

01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:16.279
You're going to hear from people who live up and down our

01:56:16.279 --> 01:56:17.000
street.

01:56:17.000 --> 01:56:20.229
And the reason you're going to hear from them is because it

01:56:20.229 --> 01:56:24.000
's deeper than just matching things along University Drive.

01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:27.270
If you look at what's on University Drive now, the

01:56:27.270 --> 01:56:30.529
proposition that's been made to you is that let's match

01:56:30.529 --> 01:56:33.680
what we already have because it's consistent with our Dent

01:56:33.680 --> 01:56:35.000
on Plan 2030.

01:56:35.000 --> 01:56:38.000
NRMU already allows appropriate commercial use.

01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:40.560
We are in favor of, we spent a lot of time talking about

01:56:40.560 --> 01:56:44.020
this in our neighborhood, we support appropriate commercial

01:56:44.020 --> 01:56:45.000
development.

01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:47.279
If a dentist wants to build an office, if a direct leader

01:56:47.279 --> 01:56:50.460
wants to go in, like our other existing neighbors, we don't

01:56:50.460 --> 01:56:52.000
have a problem with that.

01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:55.000
What we have a problem with is changing the status quo.

01:56:55.000 --> 01:56:57.489
The developer has the burden of proof to show you all why

01:56:57.489 --> 01:56:59.000
the status quo has to change.

01:56:59.000 --> 01:57:00.000
They can't do it.

01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:02.369
They can't do it with their engineers or their landscape

01:57:02.369 --> 01:57:04.000
studies or their traffic studies.

01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:07.000
They can't show you why they're appropriate for this spot.

01:57:07.000 --> 01:57:09.130
And you're going to hear from a lot of folks tonight who

01:57:09.130 --> 01:57:11.470
can tell you exactly why that impact on our neighborhood is

01:57:11.470 --> 01:57:14.000
not appropriate, why it's not appropriate for Denton.

01:57:14.000 --> 01:57:16.239
I want to really quickly address up front, because you're

01:57:16.239 --> 01:57:19.369
going to hear from a lot of people tonight, kind of the 800

01:57:19.369 --> 01:57:22.430
pound gorilla in the room that I hear from people around

01:57:22.430 --> 01:57:23.000
town sometimes.

01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:26.000
Well, why did you purchase a home so close to university?

01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:28.350
Why did you purchase a home so close to some place where

01:57:28.350 --> 01:57:30.000
somebody can build a Burger King?

01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:33.659
No one in this room purchased a home within 500 feet or 200

01:57:33.659 --> 01:57:37.000
feet or 100 feet, in Mr. DeBerry's case with his business,

01:57:37.000 --> 01:57:39.000
of a place where you can build a Burger King.

01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:42.260
We purchased homes or we built homes over 50 years ago in a

01:57:42.260 --> 01:57:44.000
place where we can't do that.

01:57:44.000 --> 01:57:46.000
They want to change the status quo.

01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:48.210
And you're going to hear from a lot of folks tonight who

01:57:48.210 --> 01:57:50.000
can tell you why that shouldn't happen.

01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:51.000
Sir?

01:57:51.000 --> 01:57:52.000
Thank you.

01:57:52.000 --> 01:57:53.000
We have a question for you.

01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:54.000
Yes, absolutely.

01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:55.000
Commissioner Rossell.

01:57:55.000 --> 01:57:56.000
Thank you, Mr. Javis, for being here.

01:57:56.000 --> 01:57:59.000
I have one question, because we don't have that petition.

01:57:59.000 --> 01:58:00.819
The petition with the signatures, is that against the rez

01:58:00.819 --> 01:58:02.000
oning or is that against the ADP?

01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:04.000
It's against the rezoning.

01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:07.130
Real quickly on the ADP, I think you're going to hear from

01:58:07.130 --> 01:58:09.000
some other folks on that also.

01:58:09.000 --> 01:58:11.569
And we're going to scan this in and make it available to

01:58:11.569 --> 01:58:14.000
you all, because it's an ongoing petition.

01:58:14.000 --> 01:58:17.479
We don't dispute that these folks with their studies and

01:58:17.479 --> 01:58:20.670
their engineers and their site plans, that they can build a

01:58:20.670 --> 01:58:22.000
pretty nice Burger King and Popeyes.

01:58:22.000 --> 01:58:23.000
We don't dispute that.

01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:25.149
And they have been responsive to some of the things that we

01:58:25.149 --> 01:58:26.000
're talking about.

01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:28.670
But what we're talking about is why a drive-through doesn't

01:58:28.670 --> 01:58:31.000
belong in our neighborhood in the first place.

01:58:31.000 --> 01:58:34.729
There are many, many other places in Denton available to

01:58:34.729 --> 01:58:38.569
them in this area, in this development zone, just down the

01:58:38.569 --> 01:58:41.000
street, for them to build this.

01:58:41.000 --> 01:58:43.319
I think it's clear that somebody drove down the street, saw

01:58:43.319 --> 01:58:45.390
a green field, and thought, well, let's buy that up and put

01:58:45.390 --> 01:58:47.760
a Burger King on it, without thinking about the deeper

01:58:47.760 --> 01:58:49.000
history that's there.

01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:50.000
And I appreciate your question.

01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:51.000
Please do ask us questions.

01:58:51.000 --> 01:58:53.829
I have some photos of the area available, if you all need

01:58:53.829 --> 01:58:55.000
that kind of thing.

01:58:55.000 --> 01:58:57.659
We have a lot of history here to share with you, and we don

01:58:57.659 --> 01:59:00.000
't know what to give you unless you ask for it.

01:59:00.000 --> 01:59:01.000
So we're happy to do that.

01:59:01.000 --> 01:59:02.000
Thank you.

01:59:02.000 --> 01:59:03.000
Commissioner Beck.

01:59:03.000 --> 01:59:04.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:06.000
I do have a question for you, Mr. Davison.

01:59:06.000 --> 01:59:06.000
Yes, sir.

01:59:06.000 --> 01:59:09.500
If for anybody else that's opposed to this, this would kind

01:59:09.500 --> 01:59:11.000
of go out to all of you.

01:59:11.000 --> 01:59:13.930
What we've -- part of what we've been seeing or hearing is

01:59:13.930 --> 01:59:17.000
the objection to the fact that it's a drive-through.

01:59:17.000 --> 01:59:19.000
Don't have any objection to a restaurant, correct?

01:59:19.000 --> 01:59:20.000
Yes, sir.

01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:21.000
A walk-in.

01:59:21.000 --> 01:59:23.000
You don't have any objection to a walk-in, sit-down

01:59:23.000 --> 01:59:24.000
restaurant, right?

01:59:24.000 --> 01:59:25.000
I personally don't.

01:59:25.000 --> 01:59:28.000
Most of the neighbors that I've spoken to don't.

01:59:28.000 --> 01:59:29.970
There was a time that this property was deed restricted,

01:59:29.970 --> 01:59:32.520
that that was not allowed, that there was nothing besides

01:59:32.520 --> 01:59:33.000
residential.

01:59:33.000 --> 01:59:36.000
That time has passed, and we recognize that.

01:59:36.000 --> 01:59:38.300
We have a -- Luigi's right across the street is a walk-in

01:59:38.300 --> 01:59:39.000
restaurant.

01:59:39.000 --> 01:59:41.000
Many of us dine there.

01:59:41.000 --> 01:59:44.000
There are other walk-in places in the area.

01:59:44.000 --> 01:59:45.560
If there was a walk-in restaurant, I'd probably go there

01:59:45.560 --> 01:59:46.000
pretty often.

01:59:46.000 --> 01:59:47.000
Okay.

01:59:47.000 --> 01:59:50.600
So it's the drive-through aspect that bothers you to a

01:59:50.600 --> 01:59:52.000
large degree, or --?

01:59:52.000 --> 01:59:54.600
I would say for me personally, I don't want to speak for

01:59:54.600 --> 01:59:57.000
too many of my neighbors, but I know for me personally,

01:59:57.000 --> 01:59:57.000
that's the deal breaker.

01:59:57.000 --> 01:59:58.000
Okay.

01:59:58.000 --> 02:00:01.000
The drive-through is the traffic generator.

02:00:01.000 --> 02:00:03.000
It's the trash generator.

02:00:03.000 --> 02:00:05.569
People who dine in the place don't take their trash with

02:00:05.569 --> 02:00:08.000
them, except for maybe a foam cup or something.

02:00:08.000 --> 02:00:10.000
It's the odor generator.

02:00:10.000 --> 02:00:12.840
When you talk about a fried chicken place and a burger

02:00:12.840 --> 02:00:16.180
place right next to the funeral home, it's the one -- the

02:00:16.180 --> 02:00:19.000
drive-through is what generates the problems.

02:00:19.000 --> 02:00:20.000
Okay.

02:00:20.000 --> 02:00:23.569
Now, if we had another business there, though, that would

02:00:23.569 --> 02:00:27.279
utilize a drive-through, would you be opposed to that, too,

02:00:27.279 --> 02:00:29.000
like a pharmacy or a bank?

02:00:29.000 --> 02:00:31.010
Well, first of all, I think all of those would be allowed

02:00:31.010 --> 02:00:32.000
under current zoning.

02:00:32.000 --> 02:00:33.899
So I wouldn't have this opportunity to have this

02:00:33.899 --> 02:00:36.000
conversation with you if they wanted to build.

02:00:36.000 --> 02:00:39.279
But, no, I wouldn't, because I recognize as a property

02:00:39.279 --> 02:00:42.680
owner in this area that that's what this designation is for

02:00:42.680 --> 02:00:43.000
.

02:00:43.000 --> 02:00:45.630
And when I bought my home, I did look at what was available

02:00:45.630 --> 02:00:48.310
for a developer in this area and knew full well what could

02:00:48.310 --> 02:00:49.000
go in there.

02:00:49.000 --> 02:00:51.489
I believe staff told us, though, if there was a drive-

02:00:51.489 --> 02:00:54.000
through on a bank, that that would require an SUP.

02:00:54.000 --> 02:00:55.000
Did I hear that right?

02:00:55.000 --> 02:00:56.000
That's correct.

02:00:56.000 --> 02:00:57.000
Okay.

02:00:57.000 --> 02:01:00.000
So it's not automatically a part of the existing zoning.

02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:03.000
It has to meet certain criteria in the form of an SUP.

02:01:03.000 --> 02:01:04.000
Correct.

02:01:04.000 --> 02:01:05.000
Correct.

02:01:05.000 --> 02:01:06.449
And I should probably tell you at this point that there

02:01:06.449 --> 02:01:08.850
have been other -- we've heard directly from investors and

02:01:08.850 --> 02:01:12.189
business owners in town that there's been other interest in

02:01:12.189 --> 02:01:14.000
this lot at various points along the years.

02:01:14.000 --> 02:01:17.140
When the deed restrictions expired in the '90s, there's

02:01:17.140 --> 02:01:19.000
been other interest in this lot.

02:01:19.000 --> 02:01:21.609
Mr. DeBerry may tell you about how he tried to build on

02:01:21.609 --> 02:01:23.000
this lot some years ago.

02:01:23.000 --> 02:01:25.670
The problem since the deed restrictions have expired with

02:01:25.670 --> 02:01:28.000
the current ownership has not been the zoning.

02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:31.000
Zoning has not been an impediment to development.

02:01:31.000 --> 02:01:32.000
It's been the ownership.

02:01:32.000 --> 02:01:33.000
Okay.

02:01:33.000 --> 02:01:34.000
All right.

02:01:34.000 --> 02:01:35.000
Thank you.

02:01:35.000 --> 02:01:36.000
Yes, sir.

02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:37.000
Thank you, sir.

02:01:37.000 --> 02:01:38.000
Thank you.

02:01:38.000 --> 02:01:55.220
Our next speaker is Bill DeBerry, followed by Lindsay Ke

02:01:55.220 --> 02:01:59.000
ifer.

02:01:59.000 --> 02:02:01.000
My name is Bill DeBerry.

02:02:01.000 --> 02:02:04.920
I own DeBerry Funeral Home, which is next door to this

02:02:04.920 --> 02:02:06.000
property.

02:02:06.000 --> 02:02:11.000
And first of all, the traffic out there is a nightmare.

02:02:11.000 --> 02:02:15.000
I don't think this gentleman did a very good study.

02:02:15.000 --> 02:02:20.000
I did a study on it when I first went out there.

02:02:20.000 --> 02:02:26.460
And also, as Mr. Davis stated, I had signed contracts on

02:02:26.460 --> 02:02:32.409
this property to build the funeral home, and due to the

02:02:32.409 --> 02:02:37.100
fact of the deed restrictions, which I only think could be

02:02:37.100 --> 02:02:40.000
built on that corner at that period of time, was a

02:02:40.000 --> 02:02:44.000
residence.

02:02:44.000 --> 02:02:50.000
And my other concern is this.

02:02:50.000 --> 02:02:57.409
There's quite a few trees between my property and what is

02:02:57.409 --> 02:02:59.000
next door.

02:02:59.000 --> 02:03:02.000
And they're quite large trees.

02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:06.000
And I don't want them removed.

02:03:06.000 --> 02:03:12.439
I don't want to smell hamburgers and fried chicken in my

02:03:12.439 --> 02:03:15.000
place of business.

02:03:15.000 --> 02:03:18.329
And so this is one reason why I'm opposed of it against all

02:03:18.329 --> 02:03:22.000
these. There's several other things.

02:03:22.000 --> 02:03:28.000
And I know it's going to cause traffic out there.

02:03:28.000 --> 02:03:33.000
I sit there at my front desk.

02:03:33.000 --> 02:03:36.000
I have a nightmare watching.

02:03:36.000 --> 02:03:41.010
In fact, Emory Street catches quite a bit of traffic,

02:03:41.010 --> 02:03:45.039
because the people will cut through my property, their own

02:03:45.039 --> 02:03:50.000
university, and I have an exit on to Emory.

02:03:50.000 --> 02:03:54.659
They'll just zip right through my property just like it's

02:03:54.659 --> 02:03:56.000
public land.

02:03:56.000 --> 02:04:00.260
That's one thing that concerns me, and it is a nightmare

02:04:00.260 --> 02:04:03.000
out there, I'll guarantee you.

02:04:03.000 --> 02:04:10.939
And also, there is quite a bit of green on that property

02:04:10.939 --> 02:04:15.000
that's probably going to have to be removed.

02:04:15.000 --> 02:04:22.529
And I have quite a bit between me and that property, and I

02:04:22.529 --> 02:04:26.000
don't want it removed.

02:04:26.000 --> 02:04:31.140
And so I'm sure that there's I have spoken briefly with the

02:04:31.140 --> 02:04:36.000
forestry person for the city of Denton about that.

02:04:36.000 --> 02:04:41.550
And I know that there's certain limitations on the size

02:04:41.550 --> 02:04:44.000
that can be cut down.

02:04:44.000 --> 02:04:49.960
So I am against this, because it will not be good for the

02:04:49.960 --> 02:04:55.819
neighborhood, as they stated in a letter that I received

02:04:55.819 --> 02:05:01.859
from them, that this these two places are going to improve

02:05:01.859 --> 02:05:03.000
the neighborhood.

02:05:03.000 --> 02:05:07.880
I don't think they're going to, because I have a nice

02:05:07.880 --> 02:05:09.000
facility.

02:05:09.000 --> 02:05:14.000
And I don't think that these places will be of any.

02:05:14.000 --> 02:05:19.000
I am not against other businesses, office business.

02:05:19.000 --> 02:05:23.510
I'm not against that. If somebody wants to put an office

02:05:23.510 --> 02:05:24.000
there.

02:05:24.000 --> 02:05:27.210
Okay. Thank you. Thank you, sir. And we've got a question

02:05:27.210 --> 02:05:30.000
for you from Commissioner Beck. Thank you, Vice Chair.

02:05:30.000 --> 02:05:33.000
Thank you, Mr. Barrett, for coming down and speaking.

02:05:33.000 --> 02:05:35.880
Just to lay one of your concerns, the trees on your

02:05:35.880 --> 02:05:39.060
property that separate the two of you, they're not going

02:05:39.060 --> 02:05:40.000
anywhere.

02:05:40.000 --> 02:05:43.100
They're going to stay there. There's going to be an

02:05:43.100 --> 02:05:47.409
addition to think the applicant said they were going to be

02:05:47.409 --> 02:05:50.000
adding some hollies, yopon hollies or something like that.

02:05:50.000 --> 02:05:53.039
So you'll be keeping those trees. So just want to know. I

02:05:53.039 --> 02:05:54.000
don't want those trees removed.

02:05:54.000 --> 02:05:59.000
Pardon me? I don't want those trees removed. They're not.

02:05:59.000 --> 02:05:59.000
They're right on the fence.

02:05:59.000 --> 02:06:02.390
Right. And most of us on the PNZ here are very much pro

02:06:02.390 --> 02:06:06.000
tree. So we'd be opposed to that too.

02:06:06.000 --> 02:06:09.430
Your concern about traffic that it's a nightmare. Is that

02:06:09.430 --> 02:06:12.460
has that always been or does that seem to be more of a

02:06:12.460 --> 02:06:15.000
factor now that they're doing all the construction?

02:06:15.000 --> 02:06:21.000
It was previously before. The traffic has always been

02:06:21.000 --> 02:06:22.000
terrible.

02:06:22.000 --> 02:06:27.000
I've been out there, what, 26 years now and it is terrible.

02:06:27.000 --> 02:06:30.779
What are the improvements they're doing there on 380 or

02:06:30.779 --> 02:06:32.000
alleviate that?

02:06:32.000 --> 02:06:37.029
It's just like when I have a funeral procession going out,

02:06:37.029 --> 02:06:41.409
we go out and go down Emory because the policemen that

02:06:41.409 --> 02:06:45.939
escort the funeral service, funeral escorts, they don't

02:06:45.939 --> 02:06:50.000
want to go on to university.

02:06:50.000 --> 02:06:54.619
They say it's a lot safer for us to go out your rear

02:06:54.619 --> 02:07:00.069
entrance and get on Emory Street and go down to Bonnebrae

02:07:00.069 --> 02:07:03.000
and then turn to the south.

02:07:03.000 --> 02:07:06.750
You think they'll remain that way once they've improved 380

02:07:06.750 --> 02:07:10.000
? You've got three lanes out there going both ways.

02:07:10.000 --> 02:07:13.000
I have no idea what the police department will do.

02:07:13.000 --> 02:07:14.000
Okay. Okay.

02:07:14.000 --> 02:07:16.000
But they like going out the back way.

02:07:16.000 --> 02:07:18.000
I don't blame them right now.

02:07:18.000 --> 02:07:19.000
Thank you, sir.

02:07:19.000 --> 02:07:21.000
Thank you.

02:07:21.000 --> 02:07:26.250
Our next speaker is Lindsay Kiefer. Lindsay Kiefer. I

02:07:26.250 --> 02:07:29.000
apologize if I mispronounced your name.

02:07:29.000 --> 02:07:42.000
Is Lindsay here?

02:07:42.000 --> 02:07:47.659
Thank you, sir. And that will be followed by Bridget Corb

02:07:47.659 --> 02:07:48.000
ett.

02:07:48.000 --> 02:07:52.000
I am Lindsay Kiefer and I live at 815 Ector.

02:07:52.000 --> 02:07:59.060
My concern with this proposition is a change in the

02:07:59.060 --> 02:08:05.000
designation of the property.

02:08:05.000 --> 02:08:11.119
We that live on Ector enjoy a quiet neighborhood and this

02:08:11.119 --> 02:08:18.000
will bring extra traffic because the university is located,

02:08:18.000 --> 02:08:23.000
University of North Texas is located, such that these

02:08:23.000 --> 02:08:29.300
businesses would attract collegians and all hours, all

02:08:29.300 --> 02:08:34.000
hours, up and down Ector.

02:08:34.000 --> 02:08:43.340
But I want to just stress that the proposition as it exists

02:08:43.340 --> 02:08:51.510
makes no provision for people who live on Ector if they

02:08:51.510 --> 02:08:56.000
think that a three-foot wall is going to accomplish that.

02:08:56.000 --> 02:08:59.000
That's not going to accomplish anything.

02:08:59.000 --> 02:09:04.000
It's just the aspect of the businesses.

02:09:04.000 --> 02:09:11.279
The property is available for other businesses, but not

02:09:11.279 --> 02:09:19.630
commercial endeavors such as Popeyes, Chicken, and Whatab

02:09:19.630 --> 02:09:21.000
urger.

02:09:21.000 --> 02:09:27.029
I just don't think that is appropriate for the neighborhood

02:09:27.029 --> 02:09:31.600
and for the others that live on Ector and in the

02:09:31.600 --> 02:09:36.000
surrounding streets, not just Ector.

02:09:36.000 --> 02:09:41.000
They feel the same way, or at least they should.

02:09:41.000 --> 02:09:43.000
Thank you.

02:09:43.000 --> 02:09:44.000
Sir, I have a question.

02:09:44.000 --> 02:09:45.000
Yes.

02:09:45.000 --> 02:09:47.000
How long have you lived at this address?

02:09:47.000 --> 02:09:51.000
How long have I lived on Ector?

02:09:51.000 --> 02:09:54.000
Since 1970.

02:09:54.000 --> 02:09:55.000
Okay.

02:09:55.000 --> 02:09:58.210
And how many cars do you see drive up and down Ector on any

02:09:58.210 --> 02:09:59.000
given day?

02:09:59.000 --> 02:10:02.000
Would you?

02:10:02.000 --> 02:10:09.529
With the increase of, or the aspect of development of the

02:10:09.529 --> 02:10:17.550
Razor Ranch, we've seen a remarkable number of auto traffic

02:10:17.550 --> 02:10:22.000
, but not anywhere near that these would.

02:10:22.000 --> 02:10:23.000
Right.

02:10:23.000 --> 02:10:26.869
I think your definition of remarkable might be different

02:10:26.869 --> 02:10:30.869
today than it, I mean, since you've lived in this house for

02:10:30.869 --> 02:10:33.239
the last 40 or so years, because I don't live in that

02:10:33.239 --> 02:10:33.789
neighborhood, but I live near your neighborhood, and I own

02:10:33.789 --> 02:10:35.000
a business in your neighborhood.

02:10:35.000 --> 02:10:37.630
And so I'm often traveling up and down at Ector, and I tell

02:10:37.630 --> 02:10:40.199
you, it doesn't matter what time of day I'm driving, it

02:10:40.199 --> 02:10:42.659
could be high noon, and I might only see one or two cars

02:10:42.659 --> 02:10:44.000
that entire stretch.

02:10:44.000 --> 02:10:46.390
So your definition of remarkable might, I mean, I'm

02:10:46.390 --> 02:10:49.000
wondering if it was like no one was ever there before.

02:10:49.000 --> 02:10:52.680
It seems like a very not a very highly traveled road given

02:10:52.680 --> 02:10:55.000
the location and the size of it.

02:10:55.000 --> 02:10:57.000
Would you agree with that?

02:10:57.000 --> 02:11:00.000
Yes.

02:11:00.000 --> 02:11:05.100
With these businesses, which are primarily of interest to

02:11:05.100 --> 02:11:11.939
collegians, not exclusively, but collegians, that would

02:11:11.939 --> 02:11:16.000
just increase the traffic just remarkably.

02:11:16.000 --> 02:11:19.729
I think that's a very valid point. I'm just thinking of

02:11:19.729 --> 02:11:21.439
where it is, where the location of UNT is, and the location

02:11:21.439 --> 02:11:23.000
of Ector is just a straight shot, isn't it?

02:11:23.000 --> 02:11:24.000
Yes.

02:11:24.000 --> 02:11:27.000
So, yeah, thank you.

02:11:27.000 --> 02:11:30.000
I see no other questions. Thank you for your time.

02:11:30.000 --> 02:11:38.000
And Bridget Corbett, followed by Charlotte Davis.

02:11:38.000 --> 02:11:42.640
Hi there. My name is Bridget Corbett, and I live at 1220 E

02:11:42.640 --> 02:11:47.000
ctor. I'm in one block up from the proposed restaurants.

02:11:47.000 --> 02:11:50.000
Many of the concerns I have have already been addressed.

02:11:50.000 --> 02:11:52.579
Mr. Taylor, I'm really glad that you mentioned about buffer

02:11:52.579 --> 02:11:59.000
zones, and these fast food restaurants are not comparable

02:11:59.000 --> 02:12:03.000
to even the fast food restaurants that are in this stretch

02:12:03.000 --> 02:12:05.000
along University,

02:12:05.000 --> 02:12:09.510
in that, as you said, it opens out towards right into the

02:12:09.510 --> 02:12:12.000
driveway of a house across the way.

02:12:12.000 --> 02:12:15.439
But also the other fast food restaurants, I lived for a

02:12:15.439 --> 02:12:18.949
time on Malone Street in the second block up from the What

02:12:18.949 --> 02:12:20.000
aburger there,

02:12:20.000 --> 02:12:23.729
and the Whataburger is across from a little business trip

02:12:23.729 --> 02:12:26.000
there with the Dollar General.

02:12:26.000 --> 02:12:29.909
Most of those other fast food restaurants, well, all of

02:12:29.909 --> 02:12:33.340
them that I'm aware of, none of them are in as close

02:12:33.340 --> 02:12:35.680
proximity to houses, or maybe there's some more buffer zone

02:12:35.680 --> 02:12:38.000
along the creek that runs alongside there.

02:12:38.000 --> 02:12:41.000
There's floodplain areas, so things are not built there.

02:12:41.000 --> 02:12:44.079
But many of us who live in the Ector Street neighborhood,

02:12:44.079 --> 02:12:48.079
our neighborhood is unique in that the lots, including the

02:12:48.079 --> 02:12:51.000
easement, the lots are about an acre.

02:12:51.000 --> 02:12:53.850
And many people don't opt to buy houses on such large lots

02:12:53.850 --> 02:12:57.000
because it involves a lot of maintenance of the property.

02:12:57.000 --> 02:13:00.449
But I think that many of us who bought these lots, we

02:13:00.449 --> 02:13:04.319
bought them because we enjoy being out on our property and

02:13:04.319 --> 02:13:06.000
using it in that way.

02:13:06.000 --> 02:13:09.189
And I do know that there will be a lot more trash in our

02:13:09.189 --> 02:13:11.000
neighborhood from this.

02:13:11.000 --> 02:13:13.529
When I lived on Malone Street, there was always Burger King

02:13:13.529 --> 02:13:14.000
trash.

02:13:14.000 --> 02:13:18.390
I still get trash now at my Ector Street house from Subway,

02:13:18.390 --> 02:13:22.020
apparently lost a box of napkins last week and they blew up

02:13:22.020 --> 02:13:23.000
for days.

02:13:23.000 --> 02:13:27.000
But one way that for me, the valuation of my property would

02:13:27.000 --> 02:13:30.729
be greatly lessened is by the odor from those fast food

02:13:30.729 --> 02:13:32.000
restaurants.

02:13:32.000 --> 02:13:35.000
I'm outside a lot and I don't want to smell that.

02:13:35.000 --> 02:13:38.270
Also, the hours that would go along with, I know I'm

02:13:38.270 --> 02:13:42.149
touching on the drive-through aspect, but that certainly is

02:13:42.149 --> 02:13:44.000
a very important aspect.

02:13:44.000 --> 02:13:48.840
The restaurants could become 24-hour restaurants and the

02:13:48.840 --> 02:13:51.000
noise from that traffic.

02:13:51.000 --> 02:13:54.350
Also, there's a lot of foot traffic, parents walking, kids

02:13:54.350 --> 02:13:57.000
with strollers, people walking their dogs.

02:13:57.000 --> 02:14:01.640
And just the increase of traffic from that construction on

02:14:01.640 --> 02:14:05.500
University has been very significant. In broad daylight, in

02:14:05.500 --> 02:14:06.000
the space of one week,

02:14:06.000 --> 02:14:09.850
at that intersection of Ector and Emory, there were car wre

02:14:09.850 --> 02:14:12.000
cks within just a few days apart.

02:14:12.000 --> 02:14:16.520
And I do not look forward to that increase in traffic that

02:14:16.520 --> 02:14:20.000
would accompany these kinds of businesses.

02:14:20.000 --> 02:14:23.729
I'm not opposed to business being on those lots or zoned

02:14:23.729 --> 02:14:27.199
that way, but not for the drive-through aspect and the

02:14:27.199 --> 02:14:29.000
other unpleasant aspects that come along with fast food.

02:14:29.000 --> 02:14:32.300
Also, I very much agree with the person who said that it

02:14:32.300 --> 02:14:36.000
doesn't represent balanced growth along that corridor.

02:14:36.000 --> 02:14:38.000
Absolutely, it does not. Thank you.

02:14:38.000 --> 02:14:41.000
Thank you.

02:14:41.000 --> 02:14:59.000
Charlotte Davis, followed by Gloria Howell.

02:14:59.000 --> 02:15:03.390
I'm Charlotte Davis. We live at 728 Ector at the top of the

02:15:03.390 --> 02:15:04.000
hill.

02:15:04.000 --> 02:15:09.550
And I guess my concern is I agree with the traffic and the

02:15:09.550 --> 02:15:14.409
problem about the trash, because on Panhandle, which Pan

02:15:14.409 --> 02:15:17.000
handle is the side of our lot,

02:15:17.000 --> 02:15:20.930
we are constantly picking up trash from people because of

02:15:20.930 --> 02:15:24.000
all the shading that this road presents.

02:15:24.000 --> 02:15:27.729
We are all the time picking up the trash because it's right

02:15:27.729 --> 02:15:31.000
there in our yard and it comes in, blows across.

02:15:31.000 --> 02:15:37.600
And when we talk about the traffic, I think that when they

02:15:37.600 --> 02:15:41.659
redid the road at the top of our hill, there would be a dip

02:15:41.659 --> 02:15:42.000
.

02:15:42.000 --> 02:15:46.229
Now the dip is not there because at all hours you would

02:15:46.229 --> 02:15:50.430
hear this breaking, you know, because, oh my gosh, the dip

02:15:50.430 --> 02:15:52.449
is there, you know, because the back of your car will be

02:15:52.449 --> 02:15:54.000
torn out if you hit it.

02:15:54.000 --> 02:15:57.560
It doesn't exist anymore now. So, but the speed on this

02:15:57.560 --> 02:16:02.060
road is anywhere from 40 or 50 miles an hour, no matter

02:16:02.060 --> 02:16:03.000
what.

02:16:03.000 --> 02:16:07.119
And as you say, we have, you know, people with children and

02:16:07.119 --> 02:16:10.960
I just I really think the drive through is not what we need

02:16:10.960 --> 02:16:14.000
and the smell and the trash.

02:16:14.000 --> 02:16:21.199
And we knew Marion and Hector Roberts next to us. And when

02:16:21.199 --> 02:16:27.000
they created this property, this land, all of it was theirs

02:16:27.000 --> 02:16:27.000
.

02:16:27.000 --> 02:16:30.920
And the White House, which is diagonal from us, was their

02:16:30.920 --> 02:16:32.000
homestead.

02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:35.219
And when they built the house next to us, which is about

02:16:35.219 --> 02:16:41.559
three acres that it sits on, in the 40s, as Mr. Davis has

02:16:41.559 --> 02:16:42.000
said, you know,

02:16:42.000 --> 02:16:47.149
the deed has changed, we had formed the association so we

02:16:47.149 --> 02:16:52.000
could preserve what we have in this neighborhood.

02:16:52.000 --> 02:16:56.170
I don't think there is a neighborhood like this in the city

02:16:56.170 --> 02:17:00.459
of Denton because there is not one where every in front of

02:17:00.459 --> 02:17:02.989
every house there is a driveway that runs all the way

02:17:02.989 --> 02:17:04.000
through.

02:17:04.000 --> 02:17:07.879
Everybody has, you know, that wonderful thing to where if

02:17:07.879 --> 02:17:12.000
you have company, you have lots of room for people to park.

02:17:12.000 --> 02:17:20.000
And so I really think that this area is very special.

02:17:20.000 --> 02:17:24.729
And I've been told by a realtor that within 10 or 15 years

02:17:24.729 --> 02:17:28.010
that they're going to come in and start knocking these

02:17:28.010 --> 02:17:29.000
houses down

02:17:29.000 --> 02:17:33.000
and building two and three and five million dollar houses

02:17:33.000 --> 02:17:36.680
like they did over in Dallas simply because there are no

02:17:36.680 --> 02:17:39.000
lots like this anywhere in Denton.

02:17:39.000 --> 02:17:43.229
And so we are trying to, we would really like to preserve

02:17:43.229 --> 02:17:44.000
this area.

02:17:44.000 --> 02:17:47.379
And I really think a nice restaurant or another doctor

02:17:47.379 --> 02:17:51.059
office or anything like that would be very appropriate for

02:17:51.059 --> 02:17:52.000
that area.

02:17:52.000 --> 02:17:55.790
So thank you so much. Thank you. And Ms. Davis, I actually

02:17:55.790 --> 02:17:57.000
have a question for you.

02:17:57.000 --> 02:17:59.079
You seem to know a lot about the history of this

02:17:59.079 --> 02:18:00.000
neighborhood.

02:18:00.000 --> 02:18:03.940
Okay. Yeah. And you had mentioned there was a neighborhood

02:18:03.940 --> 02:18:05.000
association that you all form.

02:18:05.000 --> 02:18:08.159
Okay. So my question is, well, could you give me maybe an

02:18:08.159 --> 02:18:09.000
update on that?

02:18:09.000 --> 02:18:12.979
I remember reading several years ago that there was a

02:18:12.979 --> 02:18:16.000
proposal for to create a small area plan.

02:18:16.000 --> 02:18:18.079
And I'm not sure if that encompassed this particular

02:18:18.079 --> 02:18:20.399
neighborhood, if it was the neighborhood just to the west

02:18:20.399 --> 02:18:21.000
of that.

02:18:21.000 --> 02:18:23.000
Are you familiar with any of that?

02:18:23.000 --> 02:18:26.500
Well, I think we created the association simply because

02:18:26.500 --> 02:18:29.000
they were trying to take the White House,

02:18:29.000 --> 02:18:33.510
which I said was the homestead house, and turn it into more

02:18:33.510 --> 02:18:37.010
or less like a place where they were going to have

02:18:37.010 --> 02:18:38.000
apartments

02:18:38.000 --> 02:18:43.200
and have lots of driveways and stuff and lots of cars and

02:18:43.200 --> 02:18:46.280
other where they could rent out to a lot of people, a lot

02:18:46.280 --> 02:18:47.000
of students.

02:18:47.000 --> 02:18:48.000
That's what they were wanting to do.

02:18:48.000 --> 02:18:52.659
And so instead of that happening, we were able to stop that

02:18:52.659 --> 02:18:55.360
. And then they just took the house and redid the house and

02:18:55.360 --> 02:18:57.000
created that.

02:18:57.000 --> 02:19:00.000
Now, I'm not sure exactly. I know Ms. Kiefer might know.

02:19:00.000 --> 02:19:03.000
Marsha, would you know what she's talking about?

02:19:03.000 --> 02:19:04.000
I do.

02:19:04.000 --> 02:19:05.000
You do. Okay.

02:19:05.000 --> 02:19:07.000
Well, sorry. I'm sorry. Well, can we --

02:19:07.000 --> 02:19:09.000
In just a second. She knows what you're talking about.

02:19:09.000 --> 02:19:12.000
I'm not sure what protocol is for some of that.

02:19:12.000 --> 02:19:14.000
But the small area that you were talking about.

02:19:14.000 --> 02:19:21.139
But we just knew Marion next door when we moved in in '88,

02:19:21.139 --> 02:19:26.000
because we had a house on Thomas that we lived in from '71.

02:19:26.000 --> 02:19:30.520
And then we just moved the two blocks over. And Marion was

02:19:30.520 --> 02:19:35.000
there, and she was there about two years.

02:19:35.000 --> 02:19:38.000
And then Ms. Brody was across the street.

02:19:38.000 --> 02:19:41.100
And then the house on the corner, which is next to Ms.

02:19:41.100 --> 02:19:44.000
Robert's house, that was an original house.

02:19:44.000 --> 02:19:47.000
I think Heidi and her husband are the second owners.

02:19:47.000 --> 02:19:50.729
So the houses have not changed that much. We've been in

02:19:50.729 --> 02:19:52.000
ours 26 years.

02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:58.000
So as far as the neighborhoods staying, I really think --

02:19:58.000 --> 02:20:00.750
The point of my question is that I very much agree with you

02:20:00.750 --> 02:20:05.000
. It's a very unique neighborhood in Denton.

02:20:05.000 --> 02:20:08.360
It's got houses of all sizes and lot sizes, really kind of

02:20:08.360 --> 02:20:12.520
quirky, kind of renovated old barns that have been turned

02:20:12.520 --> 02:20:13.000
into --

02:20:13.000 --> 02:20:15.000
It's a really unique neighborhood.

02:20:15.000 --> 02:20:17.389
And I agree with you. I'd like to see that preserved

02:20:17.389 --> 02:20:18.000
somehow.

02:20:18.000 --> 02:20:21.079
And I was wondering if you had had an update, perhaps, on

02:20:21.079 --> 02:20:23.290
any efforts to -- that working along with the city to

02:20:23.290 --> 02:20:24.000
preserve that.

02:20:24.000 --> 02:20:26.879
And maybe if you all are planning on coming down to speak,

02:20:26.879 --> 02:20:29.000
I can continue to ask those questions.

02:20:29.000 --> 02:20:31.799
But I would encourage maybe the neighborhood to pursue that

02:20:31.799 --> 02:20:32.000
.

02:20:32.000 --> 02:20:34.000
Anyway, that was my question.

02:20:34.000 --> 02:20:36.000
I do not know about that. I'm sorry.

02:20:36.000 --> 02:20:38.739
Sorry to put you in the hot seat like that. I appreciate

02:20:38.739 --> 02:20:40.000
for playing along. Thank you.

02:20:40.000 --> 02:20:42.000
All right. Thank you. Thank you.

02:20:42.000 --> 02:20:50.600
Our next speaker is Gloria Howell, followed by Alex

02:20:50.600 --> 02:20:53.000
Alexander.

02:20:53.000 --> 02:20:57.870
Thank you. My name is Gloria Howell, and I live at 1216 ECH

02:20:57.870 --> 02:21:01.000
RA, which is within the 500 feet.

02:21:01.000 --> 02:21:04.979
I will say that recently my husband and I are moving back

02:21:04.979 --> 02:21:08.000
into his childhood home, the home he grew up in.

02:21:08.000 --> 02:21:14.530
He and his family moved to that house in 1965, just around

02:21:14.530 --> 02:21:16.000
the corner.

02:21:16.000 --> 02:21:19.209
Three years before that, they lived on Westchester, so he

02:21:19.209 --> 02:21:21.000
grew up in that neighborhood.

02:21:21.000 --> 02:21:28.000
We moved back into the home after his mother passed.

02:21:28.000 --> 02:21:32.610
We specifically want to live in that area because of the

02:21:32.610 --> 02:21:35.000
type of neighborhood it is.

02:21:35.000 --> 02:21:38.000
It's a nice, quiet, calm neighborhood.

02:21:38.000 --> 02:21:42.139
And if we put businesses like fast food restaurants, not

02:21:42.139 --> 02:21:44.000
only are we going to get the college traffic,

02:21:44.000 --> 02:21:48.000
we're also going to get Dittenheim traffic.

02:21:48.000 --> 02:21:53.000
So that's even more traffic during the day.

02:21:53.000 --> 02:21:58.010
And yes, they say they're going to close at 10 o'clock now,

02:21:58.010 --> 02:21:59.000
but once they get it built,

02:21:59.000 --> 02:22:02.870
there's no laws that are going to restrict them from

02:22:02.870 --> 02:22:06.000
changing it to a 24-hour service.

02:22:06.000 --> 02:22:11.549
And it's clear to me that if the other Burger King in town

02:22:11.549 --> 02:22:14.000
stays open until 11,

02:22:14.000 --> 02:22:18.000
that you really don't think it's going to take very long

02:22:18.000 --> 02:22:20.000
for this one to decide.

02:22:20.000 --> 02:22:23.000
And they're going to stay open until 11 also.

02:22:23.000 --> 02:22:27.520
Specifically, the things that I object to are the drive-

02:22:27.520 --> 02:22:28.000
through,

02:22:28.000 --> 02:22:33.280
and there's a big, huge, clear difference between a bank

02:22:33.280 --> 02:22:35.000
drive-through,

02:22:35.000 --> 02:22:39.120
a dry cleaning drive-through, and a fast food restaurant

02:22:39.120 --> 02:22:40.000
drive-through.

02:22:40.000 --> 02:22:44.000
Huge difference.

02:22:44.000 --> 02:22:48.120
As people have already said, there's just so much traffic,

02:22:48.120 --> 02:22:50.000
maybe not up and down Ector,

02:22:50.000 --> 02:22:53.000
but right there at Ector and University.

02:22:53.000 --> 02:22:55.000
Huge traffic problems.

02:22:55.000 --> 02:22:58.000
It's hard to get out on University.

02:22:58.000 --> 02:23:02.750
Right now, I know a lot of it is because of the development

02:23:02.750 --> 02:23:03.000
,

02:23:03.000 --> 02:23:09.530
but we really don't need more of that type of traffic

02:23:09.530 --> 02:23:15.000
coming onto Ector and onto Emory Street.

02:23:15.000 --> 02:23:18.000
I'm concerned again about all of the trash.

02:23:18.000 --> 02:23:19.000
They stay.

02:23:19.000 --> 02:23:23.610
They're going to put trash cans at the end of their

02:23:23.610 --> 02:23:27.000
properties, but you know what?

02:23:27.000 --> 02:23:29.729
That's maybe a nice effort, but who's going to be the

02:23:29.729 --> 02:23:31.000
police to make sure

02:23:31.000 --> 02:23:34.000
that the people actually use those trash cans?

02:23:34.000 --> 02:23:36.000
The smell.

02:23:36.000 --> 02:23:39.139
I don't want to go outside my front door and smell BO and

02:23:39.139 --> 02:23:40.000
think, is that me?

02:23:40.000 --> 02:23:42.000
Do I need to go back in and take a shower?

02:23:42.000 --> 02:23:46.000
Oh, no, it's Popeyes.

02:23:46.000 --> 02:23:51.799
Like it's been said, there's plenty of places very close to

02:23:51.799 --> 02:23:55.000
the current location they want.

02:23:55.000 --> 02:23:59.000
They wouldn't have the opposition they have.

02:23:59.000 --> 02:24:01.000
Anyway, thank you for your time.

02:24:01.000 --> 02:24:04.000
Thank you.

02:24:04.000 --> 02:24:12.000
Our next speaker is Alex Alexander followed by Mary Marino.

02:24:12.000 --> 02:24:14.000
Hi, my name is Alex Alexander.

02:24:14.000 --> 02:24:19.030
I'm a resident of 1220 Ector, which is in the 500-foot zone

02:24:19.030 --> 02:24:21.000
from the proposed change.

02:24:21.000 --> 02:24:24.989
I won't take my whole time because I just want to reiterate

02:24:24.989 --> 02:24:27.000
support for many of the excellent points

02:24:27.000 --> 02:24:30.000
that have been made tonight, and so I won't take that time.

02:24:30.000 --> 02:24:33.000
I just did want to point out a couple of things.

02:24:33.000 --> 02:24:37.110
The gentleman who presented the traffic study mentioned, I

02:24:37.110 --> 02:24:41.000
think, the number 10 to 13 cars.

02:24:41.000 --> 02:24:44.729
First of all, it's actually higher, I think, just on inter

02:24:44.729 --> 02:24:46.000
ocular analysis,

02:24:46.000 --> 02:24:49.989
but it's also typically much higher than that already

02:24:49.989 --> 02:24:53.000
because a lot of cars are avoiding that intersection area

02:24:53.000 --> 02:24:56.000
because of the construction on University Drive.

02:24:56.000 --> 02:25:00.610
I don't think that was a representative number having lived

02:25:00.610 --> 02:25:03.000
there almost 10 years.

02:25:03.000 --> 02:25:04.479
Also, just to touch on the trash can, trash is a

02:25:04.479 --> 02:25:08.000
significant issue in the area for the drive-through.

02:25:08.000 --> 02:25:10.000
It's a quality of life issue.

02:25:10.000 --> 02:25:14.520
Hardly a day goes by there's not trash on the curb or

02:25:14.520 --> 02:25:17.000
having blown into our yard.

02:25:17.000 --> 02:25:24.629
Frankly, the idea to put trash cans doesn't address the

02:25:24.629 --> 02:25:28.000
concerns of the residents

02:25:28.000 --> 02:25:31.079
because people will go through the drive-through, again,

02:25:31.079 --> 02:25:34.000
the drive-through, which is what we don't want,

02:25:34.000 --> 02:25:37.079
eat the food on their way home or wherever they're going,

02:25:37.079 --> 02:25:39.000
and then throw it out the window when they finish it.

02:25:39.000 --> 02:25:43.709
The neighborhood is full of that kind of trash because of

02:25:43.709 --> 02:25:48.780
the proximity of so many fast food establishments in the

02:25:48.780 --> 02:25:51.000
area already.

02:25:51.000 --> 02:25:53.700
I just wanted to maybe make the point that there's really

02:25:53.700 --> 02:25:56.000
no benefit to the neighborhood residents.

02:25:56.000 --> 02:26:00.000
There may be a punitive benefit to the citizens at large,

02:26:00.000 --> 02:26:04.000
but I would even challenge that because as we know,

02:26:04.000 --> 02:26:07.860
we know by now that fast foods are the lowest paying, low

02:26:07.860 --> 02:26:09.000
paying jobs.

02:26:09.000 --> 02:26:12.000
They're dead-end jobs.

02:26:12.000 --> 02:26:14.000
The food is unhealthy.

02:26:14.000 --> 02:26:17.450
Even to the community at large, I challenge someone to say

02:26:17.450 --> 02:26:20.000
this is a real benefit to the community.

02:26:20.000 --> 02:26:21.000
I don't feel it is.

02:26:21.000 --> 02:26:26.370
I don't feel it shouldn't be or become a city of fast food

02:26:26.370 --> 02:26:32.000
restaurants, even if it is on a major arterial.

02:26:32.000 --> 02:26:35.309
I also just wanted to comment on the spirit and an

02:26:35.309 --> 02:26:40.000
enthusiastic presentation by Ms. Wyatt tonight,

02:26:40.000 --> 02:26:44.149
and strong support, it sounded like to me, of the proposed

02:26:44.149 --> 02:26:45.000
change.

02:26:45.000 --> 02:26:48.809
A little baffled by that when so much of the community

02:26:48.809 --> 02:26:52.979
input or neighborhood input has been that we don't want the

02:26:52.979 --> 02:26:54.000
drive-through.

02:26:54.000 --> 02:26:56.000
I just want to point out that she did not appear.

02:26:56.000 --> 02:26:58.000
I didn't hear her address the drive-through aspect.

02:26:58.000 --> 02:27:02.090
She addressed the ADP, but I didn't hear her address really

02:27:02.090 --> 02:27:05.409
the significant concerns which surrounded around the drive-

02:27:05.409 --> 02:27:07.000
through aspect of this.

02:27:07.000 --> 02:27:09.000
So anyway, thank you so much.

02:27:09.000 --> 02:27:14.000
Thank you, sir.

02:27:14.000 --> 02:27:17.000
Our next speaker is Mary Marino.

02:27:17.000 --> 02:27:18.000
Oh, pardon me.

02:27:18.000 --> 02:27:19.000
Thank you.

02:27:19.000 --> 02:27:20.000
Thank you.

02:27:20.000 --> 02:27:21.000
I'm sorry.

02:27:21.000 --> 02:27:22.000
It's in the wrong pile.

02:27:22.000 --> 02:27:26.030
I wrote that you oppose commercial development on or near E

02:27:26.030 --> 02:27:29.000
ctor Street, so that's in opposition.

02:27:29.000 --> 02:27:32.850
And I have two because you thank you 5D and 4C, both in

02:27:32.850 --> 02:27:34.000
opposition.

02:27:34.000 --> 02:27:39.000
The next speaker is Nikki Barnes.

02:27:39.000 --> 02:27:40.000
I'm sorry.

02:27:40.000 --> 02:27:41.000
Did I grab the wrong pile?

02:27:41.000 --> 02:27:43.000
Maybe I have moved on to the next pile.

02:27:43.000 --> 02:27:44.000
Okay.

02:27:44.000 --> 02:27:45.000
I'm sorry.

02:27:45.000 --> 02:27:46.000
I'm new to this job.

02:27:46.000 --> 02:27:48.000
I'm the vice chair, so I got the hot seat today.

02:27:48.000 --> 02:27:49.000
Thank you.

02:27:49.000 --> 02:27:50.000
Okay.

02:27:50.000 --> 02:27:51.000
So Nikki says that she's in opposition.

02:27:51.000 --> 02:27:53.469
This is a residential neighborhood with lots of pedestrian

02:27:53.469 --> 02:27:54.000
traffic.

02:27:54.000 --> 02:27:55.979
A drive-through is not conducive to this environment with

02:27:55.979 --> 02:27:57.000
direct contact to homes.

02:27:57.000 --> 02:28:00.280
This type of property will bring down property values, the

02:28:00.280 --> 02:28:02.000
lighting in the parking lot, and

02:28:02.000 --> 02:28:05.729
headlights from cars driving through will affect the nearby

02:28:05.729 --> 02:28:07.000
property owners.

02:28:07.000 --> 02:28:11.000
Paul Barnes also not wishing to speak, but in opposition.

02:28:11.000 --> 02:28:13.000
The proposed site has a lot of pedestrian traffic.

02:28:13.000 --> 02:28:15.129
The proposed business will increase traffic in a

02:28:15.129 --> 02:28:17.000
predominantly residential area of Ector

02:28:17.000 --> 02:28:21.729
Street, which I feel will have a negative impact on

02:28:21.729 --> 02:28:24.000
pedestrian traffic.

02:28:24.000 --> 02:28:27.440
Karen McCormick not wishing to speak, but also in

02:28:27.440 --> 02:28:30.000
opposition of both 5D and 4C.

02:28:30.000 --> 02:28:32.000
I am in opposition of the request.

02:28:32.000 --> 02:28:34.540
Ector neighborhood is an NR1, and this type of business

02:28:34.540 --> 02:28:36.000
would not be conducive, and it

02:28:36.000 --> 02:28:40.000
would increase traffic.

02:28:40.000 --> 02:28:44.600
Mary McCormick in opposition of both 5D and 4C, I am in

02:28:44.600 --> 02:28:47.000
opposition of the request for

02:28:47.000 --> 02:28:51.000
having Popeyes/Burger King on Ector and University.

02:28:51.000 --> 02:28:53.000
R Street Ector is NR1.

02:28:53.000 --> 02:28:55.000
The requested businesses do not fit.

02:28:55.000 --> 02:29:02.489
The businesses would be noisy at night and increase traffic

02:29:02.489 --> 02:29:03.000
.

02:29:03.000 --> 02:29:06.850
Marilyn Manning not wishing to speak, but in opposition of

02:29:06.850 --> 02:29:08.000
5D and 4C.

02:29:08.000 --> 02:29:10.190
I am opposed to having drive-through restaurant on the

02:29:10.190 --> 02:29:15.000
corner of Ector and University.

02:29:15.000 --> 02:29:20.000
Scott Sellers in opposition of both 4C and 5D.

02:29:20.000 --> 02:29:22.000
Poor choice for a unique neighborhood.

02:29:22.000 --> 02:29:24.000
Do not want 24-hour drive-throughs.

02:29:24.000 --> 02:29:28.520
Keep to original plan of low traffic development that

02:29:28.520 --> 02:29:31.000
closes at reasonable hour.

02:29:31.000 --> 02:29:38.000
Marcia Kiefer in opposition of both 4C and 5D.

02:29:38.000 --> 02:29:44.000
No entry/exit on Ector.

02:29:44.000 --> 02:29:48.000
Katherine M. Dawson in opposition of 5D and 4C.

02:29:48.000 --> 02:29:51.000
Don't trash our quiet tranquil neighborhood.

02:29:51.000 --> 02:29:54.000
Our street has well-kept nice homes, nice yards.

02:29:54.000 --> 02:29:59.000
We do not need traffic, smells, lights, trash, et cetera.

02:29:59.000 --> 02:30:05.000
Heidi Robinson in opposition of 4C and 5D.

02:30:05.000 --> 02:30:07.000
I strongly disapprove.

02:30:07.000 --> 02:30:09.579
And then I have a stack of cards here, and I'm not sure if

02:30:09.579 --> 02:30:10.000
these people would like to speak,

02:30:10.000 --> 02:30:12.000
so I'm just going to read.

02:30:12.000 --> 02:30:13.000
Donald Bounds.

02:30:13.000 --> 02:30:15.000
I believe you already spoke, didn't you, sir?

02:30:15.000 --> 02:30:16.000
Where's Donald?

02:30:16.000 --> 02:30:19.000
Yes, you already spoke.

02:30:19.000 --> 02:30:22.000
And he was in support.

02:30:22.000 --> 02:30:28.000
Miguel Villarreal in support.

02:30:28.000 --> 02:30:31.000
Lauren Glespie.

02:30:31.000 --> 02:30:32.000
She does wish to speak.

02:30:32.000 --> 02:30:34.000
Is Lauren here?

02:30:34.000 --> 02:30:35.000
Thank you.

02:30:35.000 --> 02:30:39.000
Would you like to approach?

02:30:39.000 --> 02:30:40.000
Okay.

02:30:40.000 --> 02:30:42.000
You are in support, though.

02:30:42.000 --> 02:30:43.000
Duly noted.

02:30:43.000 --> 02:30:46.000
Thank you, ma'am.

02:30:46.000 --> 02:30:49.000
Armando Picachios.

02:30:49.000 --> 02:30:50.000
That would be you.

02:30:50.000 --> 02:30:51.000
Hello, sir.

02:30:51.000 --> 02:30:52.000
Hello again.

02:30:52.000 --> 02:30:56.000
You did speak in support.

02:30:56.000 --> 02:31:00.000
Lisa Van Horn does not wish to speak.

02:31:00.000 --> 02:31:02.000
She is in opposition of both 4C and 5D.

02:31:02.000 --> 02:31:06.000
The high traffic nature of the proposed businesses would be

02:31:06.000 --> 02:31:09.000
detrimental to the neighborhood.

02:31:09.000 --> 02:31:11.920
And Kathy McMullen does not wish to speak but is in

02:31:11.920 --> 02:31:15.000
opposition of -- you do wish to speak.

02:31:15.000 --> 02:31:16.000
I'm sorry.

02:31:16.000 --> 02:31:17.000
Please, go ahead.

02:31:17.000 --> 02:31:19.000
Thank you.

02:31:19.000 --> 02:31:29.000
Hello.

02:31:29.000 --> 02:31:30.000
My name is Kathy McMullen.

02:31:30.000 --> 02:31:32.000
I live at 815 Ector Street.

02:31:32.000 --> 02:31:34.579
I've been asked by many people when you moved into this

02:31:34.579 --> 02:31:37.100
area, there was an expectation that there would be

02:31:37.100 --> 02:31:39.000
commercial development, which there was.

02:31:39.000 --> 02:31:40.000
There is an expectation.

02:31:40.000 --> 02:31:42.000
We looked at that before we moved here.

02:31:42.000 --> 02:31:45.520
But there was also an expectation that the city would also

02:31:45.520 --> 02:31:49.209
protect the character of our neighborhood and our property

02:31:49.209 --> 02:31:50.000
values.

02:31:50.000 --> 02:31:54.520
Ector Street has become pretty unwalkable now due to the

02:31:54.520 --> 02:31:57.000
construction on 380.

02:31:57.000 --> 02:31:59.000
And I'm hoping that that will die down.

02:31:59.000 --> 02:32:01.799
I mean, really, at night I don't walk -- you're looking at

02:32:01.799 --> 02:32:05.000
people going 40 or 50 miles an hour up Ector Street.

02:32:05.000 --> 02:32:07.219
So I was hoping that once the construction was over, our

02:32:07.219 --> 02:32:09.510
neighborhood would die back down into a walkable

02:32:09.510 --> 02:32:10.000
neighborhood.

02:32:10.000 --> 02:32:12.959
I don't see that happening with the drive-through dumping

02:32:12.959 --> 02:32:14.000
onto our street.

02:32:14.000 --> 02:32:16.270
The noise -- I've talked to some people who live back

02:32:16.270 --> 02:32:19.149
behind Malone on the water burger, two and three blocks

02:32:19.149 --> 02:32:20.000
from the water burger,

02:32:20.000 --> 02:32:22.309
and they can tell you at 10 o'clock at night what people

02:32:22.309 --> 02:32:24.000
are ordering over that microphone.

02:32:24.000 --> 02:32:26.000
So it is noisy.

02:32:26.000 --> 02:32:27.000
You can hear that.

02:32:27.000 --> 02:32:29.000
And there's really no way to mitigate that.

02:32:29.000 --> 02:32:32.219
As far as the odors go, when my husband and I first moved

02:32:32.219 --> 02:32:35.000
here about seven years ago, we were looking at homes,

02:32:35.000 --> 02:32:38.479
and we saw a home in Southridge that was about $100,000

02:32:38.479 --> 02:32:40.000
less than the other homes.

02:32:40.000 --> 02:32:42.000
So we were like, wow, we can't believe that.

02:32:42.000 --> 02:32:43.579
We're going to go over and we're going to look at that

02:32:43.579 --> 02:32:44.000
house.

02:32:44.000 --> 02:32:46.000
We walked all the way through it.

02:32:46.000 --> 02:32:47.000
We thought it was a great value.

02:32:47.000 --> 02:32:49.879
We walked down into the backyard, and we were hit with the

02:32:49.879 --> 02:32:53.000
odor of Jack in the Box and the speaker sounds,

02:32:53.000 --> 02:32:57.250
and we said there's no way that we would pay for this home

02:32:57.250 --> 02:33:01.000
to live right behind a fast food restaurant.

02:33:01.000 --> 02:33:04.229
The last point is that this has been referred to a lot as a

02:33:04.229 --> 02:33:06.739
corridor, but you have to understand that this is our

02:33:06.739 --> 02:33:08.000
neighborhood.

02:33:08.000 --> 02:33:09.000
This is not a corridor.

02:33:09.000 --> 02:33:11.389
This is where we walk our dogs, where people walk their

02:33:11.389 --> 02:33:13.000
children, where they play in the yard,

02:33:13.000 --> 02:33:15.000
where we sit in our yard and where we barbecue.

02:33:15.000 --> 02:33:18.209
And to put a fast food restaurant with a drive-through on N

02:33:18.209 --> 02:33:20.000
ectar Street in that close proximity,

02:33:20.000 --> 02:33:23.000
I believe, would turn our neighborhood into a corridor.

02:33:23.000 --> 02:33:25.000
So I'm opposing both of these.

02:33:25.000 --> 02:33:27.000
Thank you.

02:33:27.000 --> 02:33:29.000
Thank you.

02:33:29.000 --> 02:33:32.000
I'm out of cards, but this is a public hearing.

02:33:32.000 --> 02:33:34.329
So if there's anyone else who hasn't gotten an opportunity

02:33:34.329 --> 02:33:40.159
to speak yet, now is your chance if you'd like to approach

02:33:40.159 --> 02:33:42.000
the podium.

02:33:42.000 --> 02:33:43.979
And if you could please state your name and address for the

02:33:43.979 --> 02:33:45.000
record, please, sir.

02:33:45.000 --> 02:33:48.000
My name is Jay Howell.

02:33:48.000 --> 02:33:52.000
I live at 1216 Nectar.

02:33:52.000 --> 02:33:57.959
I would just pretty much like to reinforce what I've heard

02:33:57.959 --> 02:34:02.000
so far, which are my concerns also.

02:34:02.000 --> 02:34:06.000
I understand that eventually something will be built there.

02:34:06.000 --> 02:34:10.790
And if it was me personally, I could see no problem with

02:34:10.790 --> 02:34:16.030
what we have at the other end of Emory or Emory and Bonnie

02:34:16.030 --> 02:34:18.000
Bray are there.

02:34:18.000 --> 02:34:21.000
There's some office buildings, some kind down there.

02:34:21.000 --> 02:34:23.000
It's not obnoxious.

02:34:23.000 --> 02:34:24.000
It's not objectionable.

02:34:24.000 --> 02:34:27.399
And if that kind of thing were to be proposed there, it

02:34:27.399 --> 02:34:30.000
would not be the same kind of problem.

02:34:30.000 --> 02:34:34.510
But a fast food restaurant will bring with it all of these

02:34:34.510 --> 02:34:39.000
problems we've heard mentioned, the smell, if you've ever

02:34:39.000 --> 02:34:40.000
noticed it,

02:34:40.000 --> 02:34:42.729
just certain areas around where you have a high

02:34:42.729 --> 02:34:46.000
concentration of these kind of things, it smells.

02:34:46.000 --> 02:34:50.610
The trash, we already have trash from other fast food

02:34:50.610 --> 02:34:55.000
restaurants that we get in our yard all the time.

02:34:55.000 --> 02:34:59.000
And this would only make it that much worse.

02:34:59.000 --> 02:35:04.100
The noise, like one lady just said, being able to hear them

02:35:04.100 --> 02:35:07.000
order their food from, I mean,

02:35:07.000 --> 02:35:12.100
we're at the fifth house up from where this would be, and

02:35:12.100 --> 02:35:16.000
we're within the 500 foot range.

02:35:16.000 --> 02:35:21.690
The light pollution, like when I first moved in here in '65

02:35:21.690 --> 02:35:25.180
, there was nothing down at the end of Vector Street but

02:35:25.180 --> 02:35:27.000
three foot high Johnson grass.

02:35:27.000 --> 02:35:30.000
And there was no development out there.

02:35:30.000 --> 02:35:34.610
We didn't buy the thing with any anticipation that it would

02:35:34.610 --> 02:35:38.000
ever be developed into something like this.

02:35:38.000 --> 02:35:42.899
And as far as the traffic study, one of my main concerns is

02:35:42.899 --> 02:35:49.000
the traffic because you speak of a primary arterial,

02:35:49.000 --> 02:35:53.000
which is University Drive and Vector Street as a collector.

02:35:53.000 --> 02:35:57.940
I'm not really sure what that term means, but the traffic

02:35:57.940 --> 02:36:02.569
study right now is like taking a study of something that's

02:36:02.569 --> 02:36:05.000
not the way it's going to be.

02:36:05.000 --> 02:36:10.030
And in other words, what it is right now is going to be a

02:36:10.030 --> 02:36:12.000
lot worse if those two restaurants were there.

02:36:12.000 --> 02:36:14.799
If you did a traffic study, you'd find out it's an undes

02:36:14.799 --> 02:36:16.000
irable condition.

02:36:16.000 --> 02:36:20.610
And as far as the -- it's almost like you expect nobody to

02:36:20.610 --> 02:36:25.000
come from the south of University to these restaurants.

02:36:25.000 --> 02:36:32.200
And like others have said, the North Texas crowd, the high

02:36:32.200 --> 02:36:36.829
school kids, anybody to the south of University from Bonnie

02:36:36.829 --> 02:36:40.000
Gray over to, you know,

02:36:40.000 --> 02:36:42.500
as far as you want to go, anybody from the south is going

02:36:42.500 --> 02:36:45.000
to come -- a lot of them are going to come right down V

02:36:45.000 --> 02:36:45.000
ector.

02:36:45.000 --> 02:36:48.969
At some point to get to that if you put an access point

02:36:48.969 --> 02:36:50.000
that way.

02:36:50.000 --> 02:36:52.590
So I really -- I don't think any of us in the area that

02:36:52.590 --> 02:36:56.530
live there want a drive-through restaurant right there at

02:36:56.530 --> 02:37:01.000
that location for all of the previously stated reasons.

02:37:01.000 --> 02:37:05.729
And I would just want to ask you all if this was to be on

02:37:05.729 --> 02:37:10.340
the end of your street, would you be in favor of it under

02:37:10.340 --> 02:37:12.000
those conditions?

02:37:12.000 --> 02:37:13.000
Thank you.

02:37:13.000 --> 02:37:17.000
>> Thank you, sir.

02:37:17.000 --> 02:37:18.000
This is a public hearing.

02:37:18.000 --> 02:37:27.309
If you'd like to speak on this item, you're welcome to do

02:37:27.309 --> 02:37:29.000
so now.

02:37:29.000 --> 02:37:30.000
>> Hi, my name is Calvin Ballinger.

02:37:30.000 --> 02:37:33.000
I live at 1228 Hillcrest.

02:37:33.000 --> 02:37:36.729
This -- I think it's right outside the 200-foot zone, but

02:37:36.729 --> 02:37:39.000
it's very, very close to my property.

02:37:39.000 --> 02:37:42.000
I'm definitely opposed to this.

02:37:42.000 --> 02:37:45.979
I'm just by virtue of the fact that a drive-through will

02:37:45.979 --> 02:37:48.000
generate a lot of noise.

02:37:48.000 --> 02:37:49.000
I work odd hours.

02:37:49.000 --> 02:37:52.000
I have enough trouble sleeping from having PTSD.

02:37:52.000 --> 02:37:55.329
And I don't need a bunch of drunken assholes ordering

02:37:55.329 --> 02:37:58.000
chicken at 3 o'clock in the morning.

02:37:58.000 --> 02:38:02.870
And so I appreciate all the effort that these guys have put

02:38:02.870 --> 02:38:05.000
into proposing this.

02:38:05.000 --> 02:38:09.520
But the only thing that I've heard is trying to make this

02:38:09.520 --> 02:38:13.520
proposal less worse for the people that live in this

02:38:13.520 --> 02:38:15.000
neighborhood.

02:38:15.000 --> 02:38:17.000
And I just think it's a terrible idea.

02:38:17.000 --> 02:38:18.000
So thank you.

02:38:18.000 --> 02:38:22.000
>> Thank you, sir.

02:38:22.000 --> 02:38:23.000
Anyone else who would like to speak?

02:38:23.000 --> 02:38:24.000
This is a public hearing.

02:38:24.000 --> 02:38:29.500
You're welcome to approach the microphone and let us know

02:38:29.500 --> 02:38:32.000
your thoughts on this.

02:38:32.000 --> 02:38:36.000
Going once, going twice.

02:38:36.000 --> 02:38:37.000
Okay.

02:38:37.000 --> 02:38:40.079
Thank you very much for hanging out tonight and letting us

02:38:40.079 --> 02:38:45.000
know how you feel and standing up for your neighborhood.

02:38:45.000 --> 02:38:48.000
I guess we open it up now for discussions.

02:38:48.000 --> 02:38:51.000
We close the public hearing.

02:38:51.000 --> 02:38:54.489
Close the public hearing at 819, and we will now open it up

02:38:54.489 --> 02:38:57.000
for discussion among the commissioners.

02:38:57.000 --> 02:38:58.000
Commissioner Beck.

02:38:58.000 --> 02:38:59.000
Sorry.

02:38:59.000 --> 02:39:01.479
If I could just make a point of order, just to educate the

02:39:01.479 --> 02:39:04.370
audience in case you do not know regarding the voting

02:39:04.370 --> 02:39:06.000
requirement on this matter,

02:39:06.000 --> 02:39:10.690
the Roberts rules of order usually require a majority vote

02:39:10.690 --> 02:39:14.000
of votes cast, which would be the members present.

02:39:14.000 --> 02:39:16.000
We do have two members that are absent today.

02:39:16.000 --> 02:39:19.500
However, our council has different rules that you have to

02:39:19.500 --> 02:39:23.079
have, at least four votes in order for something to pass as

02:39:23.079 --> 02:39:24.000
a majority.

02:39:24.000 --> 02:39:27.389
And we only have five members on the panel, so we are going

02:39:27.389 --> 02:39:31.000
to still require the four votes in order for this to pass.

02:39:31.000 --> 02:39:34.000
And I just wanted everybody to be aware of that.

02:39:34.000 --> 02:39:35.000
Quick clarification.

02:39:35.000 --> 02:39:39.079
If something fails to get four votes, do we then consider

02:39:39.079 --> 02:39:42.000
another motion or what's the procedural?

02:39:42.000 --> 02:39:45.079
We could consider another motion provided in the scope of

02:39:45.079 --> 02:39:47.000
the item that's been published.

02:39:47.000 --> 02:39:50.000
Okay. Thank you.

02:39:50.000 --> 02:39:51.000
Thank you.

02:39:51.000 --> 02:39:52.000
Commissioner Beck.

02:39:52.000 --> 02:39:54.000
Thank you, Chair.

02:39:54.000 --> 02:39:58.040
I must confess that coming in here and listening to staff's

02:39:58.040 --> 02:40:01.989
arguments, I was persuaded that this is something we

02:40:01.989 --> 02:40:03.000
probably should do.

02:40:03.000 --> 02:40:06.500
I understand feelings of people in the neighborhood, and I

02:40:06.500 --> 02:40:09.000
would probably feel the same way, too.

02:40:09.000 --> 02:40:14.260
As far as traffic goes and trash and stuff like that, there

02:40:14.260 --> 02:40:17.000
's going to be some of that.

02:40:17.000 --> 02:40:18.000
Will it increase?

02:40:18.000 --> 02:40:20.000
Possibly, yes.

02:40:20.000 --> 02:40:23.950
But I guess my biggest concern here is the opposition I've

02:40:23.950 --> 02:40:26.000
heard to it is quite vocal.

02:40:26.000 --> 02:40:29.100
I understand the argument behind wanting to protect the

02:40:29.100 --> 02:40:31.000
sanctity of your neighborhood.

02:40:31.000 --> 02:40:34.600
And one of the things I heard that I hadn't heard before

02:40:34.600 --> 02:40:39.010
that made sense to me, Mr. Hinnan made that comment, was

02:40:39.010 --> 02:40:45.000
that this does kind of violate the effort of the Denton

02:40:45.000 --> 02:40:46.000
Plan 2030

02:40:46.000 --> 02:40:50.000
by being not diverse enough.

02:40:50.000 --> 02:40:53.680
And I wasn't quite aware of it, but there are quite a few

02:40:53.680 --> 02:40:57.760
of these type of establishments along University there that

02:40:57.760 --> 02:41:00.000
kind of throw it out of kilter.

02:41:00.000 --> 02:41:02.000
So that kind of weighed in on me.

02:41:02.000 --> 02:41:05.600
But we are a body here that are supposed to be concerned

02:41:05.600 --> 02:41:08.000
about people's neighborhoods.

02:41:08.000 --> 02:41:11.399
I would have that feeling, too, and I would like to think

02:41:11.399 --> 02:41:14.000
that the PNC would be there to back us up.

02:41:14.000 --> 02:41:19.280
Based on what I've heard for their concerns, I would

02:41:19.280 --> 02:41:25.610
probably vote against the part, not the ADP, but the item

02:41:25.610 --> 02:41:29.000
that wants to rezone it.

02:41:29.000 --> 02:41:30.000
Thank you.

02:41:30.000 --> 02:41:31.000
Commissioner Rossell?

02:41:31.000 --> 02:41:32.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

02:41:32.000 --> 02:41:34.469
Thank you for everyone taking time out of your night to

02:41:34.469 --> 02:41:37.100
come and speak and be vocal about the opinions about your

02:41:37.100 --> 02:41:38.000
own homestead.

02:41:38.000 --> 02:41:41.569
I appreciate the developer for the work they put forth and

02:41:41.569 --> 02:41:43.000
being here as well.

02:41:43.000 --> 02:41:46.229
As I think about everything that was said tonight, the

02:41:46.229 --> 02:41:50.409
overarching things that were mentioned, at least in this

02:41:50.409 --> 02:41:53.889
item, was traffic, balanced growth, trash, and other kind

02:41:53.889 --> 02:41:57.000
of pollutions, which I think is specific to an ADP.

02:41:57.000 --> 02:41:59.770
So when I look at the rezone, I don't know if it's as

02:41:59.770 --> 02:42:02.819
simple as this painting colored by numbers in terms of

02:42:02.819 --> 02:42:06.000
casting a brush across the university corridor.

02:42:06.000 --> 02:42:09.860
But I haven't received overwhelming evidence to think that

02:42:09.860 --> 02:42:13.250
aligning the commercial zone across the corridor of

02:42:13.250 --> 02:42:16.000
university would be a negative thing.

02:42:16.000 --> 02:42:18.000
Now, the ADP is completely different.

02:42:18.000 --> 02:42:20.430
I do have some significant concerns about what would be

02:42:20.430 --> 02:42:22.000
used on the commercial zoning.

02:42:22.000 --> 02:42:25.000
But you mentioned being opposed to the zoning.

02:42:25.000 --> 02:42:28.500
I'd be more inclined to be for rezoning as it aligns with

02:42:28.500 --> 02:42:33.000
future land use map, the 2030 plan outlined by the city.

02:42:33.000 --> 02:42:39.000
And then obviously we'd have to address the ADP separately.

02:42:39.000 --> 02:42:42.000
Thank you. Commissioner Taylor.

02:42:42.000 --> 02:42:44.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

02:42:44.000 --> 02:42:47.000
So we are hearing the zoning aspect of this case.

02:42:47.000 --> 02:42:50.000
And zoning is typically the more critical.

02:42:50.000 --> 02:42:55.219
Zoning sets all future uses going forward, the next 40, 50

02:42:55.219 --> 02:42:57.000
years potentially.

02:42:57.000 --> 02:43:01.000
And this is where the large uses come in.

02:43:01.000 --> 02:43:05.860
Often this body sees contentious specific use permits or AD

02:43:05.860 --> 02:43:08.000
Ps or things like that.

02:43:08.000 --> 02:43:12.069
But those are only usually arguing a single sentence, a

02:43:12.069 --> 02:43:16.430
single change in landscape, a change in buffer, a drive

02:43:16.430 --> 02:43:20.000
through, an extra thousand square feet of building use.

02:43:20.000 --> 02:43:23.500
In a rezone, when you go from an NR category, neighborhood

02:43:23.500 --> 02:43:28.000
residential category, to like a commercial category, CMG,

02:43:28.000 --> 02:43:34.000
we introduce probably 30 or 40 new potential uses here.

02:43:34.000 --> 02:43:36.829
Well, obviously all of the conversation tonight has been

02:43:36.829 --> 02:43:39.000
about the proposal for the restaurants.

02:43:39.000 --> 02:43:42.000
This could be an office building.

02:43:42.000 --> 02:43:45.000
It could be a shopping, a strip center.

02:43:45.000 --> 02:43:47.000
It could be any number of things.

02:43:47.000 --> 02:43:51.520
And so for me, actually, rezoning should be held to a

02:43:51.520 --> 02:43:55.000
higher standard than a single change in use,

02:43:55.000 --> 02:43:58.000
because this changes about 30 or 40 uses.

02:43:58.000 --> 02:44:04.850
And what I've heard here is a lot of concern about encro

02:44:04.850 --> 02:44:11.649
achment and nuisance, nuisances in traffic, litter, odor, so

02:44:11.649 --> 02:44:13.000
forth.

02:44:13.000 --> 02:44:17.209
A lot of this is not even necessarily traffic counts, but

02:44:17.209 --> 02:44:20.250
auto cycling and the change in hours of the day that

02:44:20.250 --> 02:44:21.000
traffic comes,

02:44:21.000 --> 02:44:24.930
moving to a more commercial type traffic pattern instead of

02:44:24.930 --> 02:44:29.469
a residential traffic pattern that's probably very, very

02:44:29.469 --> 02:44:32.000
calm by 8 or 9 p.m.

02:44:32.000 --> 02:44:38.309
And I see these concerns, they might be mitigatable by an

02:44:38.309 --> 02:44:43.860
overlay district or something like that, but even an ADP is

02:44:43.860 --> 02:44:45.000
not restrictive.

02:44:45.000 --> 02:44:47.000
An ADP restricts a single site plan.

02:44:47.000 --> 02:44:49.000
All they have to do is change the site plan.

02:44:49.000 --> 02:44:51.000
Get a new site plan.

02:44:51.000 --> 02:44:54.100
Typically, that would be a new developer comes in with a

02:44:54.100 --> 02:44:56.000
completely different concept.

02:44:56.000 --> 02:44:58.000
The ADP is just gone.

02:44:58.000 --> 02:45:01.000
It isn't binding in any way.

02:45:01.000 --> 02:45:05.510
So even whenever we have an ADP, and I'm sure that the

02:45:05.510 --> 02:45:10.000
developer fully intends to build an 8-foot masonry wall and

02:45:10.000 --> 02:45:12.000
angle parking away from the neighborhood

02:45:12.000 --> 02:45:20.129
and all of those mitigating factors, if property changes

02:45:20.129 --> 02:45:24.000
hands or the development falls through or 10 years from now

02:45:24.000 --> 02:45:27.000
a different restaurant or different business comes in,

02:45:27.000 --> 02:45:29.000
nothing in that is binding.

02:45:29.000 --> 02:45:32.000
And so they could change the circulation pattern.

02:45:32.000 --> 02:45:35.110
They could completely tear out everything and build an

02:45:35.110 --> 02:45:38.000
office building or retail center or whatever.

02:45:38.000 --> 02:45:43.690
And so for these reasons, I think it's more important to us

02:45:43.690 --> 02:45:49.170
to address concerns of encroachment and nuisance on the

02:45:49.170 --> 02:45:52.000
existing neighborhood.

02:45:52.000 --> 02:45:53.000
Thank you.

02:45:53.000 --> 02:45:54.000
Commissioner Dudowitz?

02:45:54.000 --> 02:45:57.409
As we're all speaking to what's in front of us, as I

02:45:57.409 --> 02:46:00.799
brought up earlier, these restaurants could be built there

02:46:00.799 --> 02:46:02.000
now without any discussion.

02:46:02.000 --> 02:46:03.000
That's approved.

02:46:03.000 --> 02:46:04.000
It can be done.

02:46:04.000 --> 02:46:08.040
What is that issue is the drive-through, which encroaches

02:46:08.040 --> 02:46:10.000
and approaches on Ector.

02:46:10.000 --> 02:46:12.129
The developer could turn around tomorrow and come back with

02:46:12.129 --> 02:46:14.329
a plan that says we're going to do a drive-through, but it

02:46:14.329 --> 02:46:17.000
's all going to be done through university.

02:46:17.000 --> 02:46:19.000
And they're fine.

02:46:19.000 --> 02:46:21.000
They can do that.

02:46:21.000 --> 02:46:24.219
Somebody's shaking their head, but I understand that

02:46:24.219 --> 02:46:27.000
because of -- you're right, with the drive-through.

02:46:27.000 --> 02:46:28.000
The drive-through is the issue.

02:46:28.000 --> 02:46:32.000
So that's -- thank you for making sure of that.

02:46:32.000 --> 02:46:35.790
The ADP addresses one particular issue, and it's this time

02:46:35.790 --> 02:46:39.659
in this property, next person coming in starts from scratch

02:46:39.659 --> 02:46:40.000
.

02:46:40.000 --> 02:46:43.100
And if it's building the current restaurants, they don't

02:46:43.100 --> 02:46:45.909
have to put up any buffers or any other landscaping other

02:46:45.909 --> 02:46:48.000
than what the ordinance requires.

02:46:48.000 --> 02:46:52.209
So this is a difficult decision to be made here, and it all

02:46:52.209 --> 02:46:55.000
rests around the drive-through.

02:46:55.000 --> 02:46:56.000
Okay?

02:46:56.000 --> 02:46:57.000
Thank you.

02:46:57.000 --> 02:46:59.010
Commissioner Rossell, before I call on you, I want to turn

02:46:59.010 --> 02:47:00.000
to speak to you, please.

02:47:00.000 --> 02:47:01.000
Thank you.

02:47:01.000 --> 02:47:05.389
So I have a couple of questions for staff before I make a

02:47:05.389 --> 02:47:07.000
couple of comments.

02:47:07.000 --> 02:47:11.000
Is there a small area plan for this neighborhood?

02:47:11.000 --> 02:47:13.000
Is there anything in the works?

02:47:13.000 --> 02:47:16.000
I know I read something in the DRC a few years ago.

02:47:16.000 --> 02:47:20.370
I believe at one point there was a small area plan that was

02:47:20.370 --> 02:47:24.000
in the infancy stages of getting together.

02:47:24.000 --> 02:47:28.520
I don't believe that it has gone or has passed or has gone

02:47:28.520 --> 02:47:31.000
farther than the infancy stage.

02:47:31.000 --> 02:47:35.309
What would the neighborhood need to do in order to preserve

02:47:35.309 --> 02:47:37.000
their neighborhood?

02:47:37.000 --> 02:47:38.000
As far as the small area plan?

02:47:38.000 --> 02:47:39.000
Yeah.

02:47:39.000 --> 02:47:41.000
How would they get that ball rolling again?

02:47:41.000 --> 02:47:46.000
I'm going to let Manal answer that.

02:47:46.000 --> 02:47:54.209
Thank you for pointing that out. As part of our initiative

02:47:54.209 --> 02:47:54.719
with the comp plan and the implementation of the comp plan

02:47:54.719 --> 02:47:55.000
and the associated small area plans,

02:47:55.000 --> 02:47:59.709
should the neighborhood decide to want to initiate or be

02:47:59.709 --> 02:48:03.000
involved or create a small area plan,

02:48:03.000 --> 02:48:05.319
all they have to do is contact our long-range planning

02:48:05.319 --> 02:48:09.000
department, which Ron Minghita, he's in the audience.

02:48:09.000 --> 02:48:11.000
I'll have him raise his hand.

02:48:11.000 --> 02:48:12.000
He's in the audience.

02:48:12.000 --> 02:48:14.000
You can contact him and he can --

02:48:14.000 --> 02:48:16.000
Go.

02:48:16.000 --> 02:48:23.000
And through that we can start the process of creating that

02:48:23.000 --> 02:48:25.680
and understanding the needs of the community and

02:48:25.680 --> 02:48:30.000
understanding the comp plan and trying to marry the two.

02:48:30.000 --> 02:48:32.000
Thank you.

02:48:32.000 --> 02:48:34.000
Set you up there, Ron.

02:48:34.000 --> 02:48:36.000
I think there might be some people calling you tomorrow.

02:48:36.000 --> 02:48:37.000
All right. Thank you.

02:48:37.000 --> 02:48:40.760
My next question is about nuisances, regulating things like

02:48:40.760 --> 02:48:43.000
odors, noise, lighting.

02:48:43.000 --> 02:48:46.389
I know some of the lighting concerns could be addressed in

02:48:46.389 --> 02:48:50.430
the ADP, but our -- is not sure if the question is for

02:48:50.430 --> 02:48:52.000
legal or for staff,

02:48:52.000 --> 02:48:55.969
but what is our role as planning and zoning to regulate od

02:48:55.969 --> 02:48:58.000
ors, specifically from --

02:48:58.000 --> 02:49:02.510
I'll take a stab at it and then legal may further expand on

02:49:02.510 --> 02:49:03.000
it.

02:49:03.000 --> 02:49:06.979
The ADP was -- is being used in this instance as a

02:49:06.979 --> 02:49:11.989
mechanism to address some of those nuisance and impacts to

02:49:11.989 --> 02:49:14.000
the neighborhood.

02:49:14.000 --> 02:49:18.520
However, the ADP addresses only subchapter 13 of the Denton

02:49:18.520 --> 02:49:21.000
Development Code requirements.

02:49:21.000 --> 02:49:24.920
So those are mainly site design requirements, odor, hours

02:49:24.920 --> 02:49:29.780
of operation, any of those types of issues aren't addressed

02:49:29.780 --> 02:49:31.000
with the ADP.

02:49:31.000 --> 02:49:33.430
I don't know if there are any other considerations that

02:49:33.430 --> 02:49:35.000
legal would want to add to that.

02:49:35.000 --> 02:49:39.000
How are odors contained in the ADP?

02:49:39.000 --> 02:49:41.000
I mean, they're not.

02:49:41.000 --> 02:49:44.510
There's no regulation of odor per se, unless it's a noxious

02:49:44.510 --> 02:49:49.000
fume, and then it can be regulated through code.

02:49:49.000 --> 02:49:52.389
But if it's just an unpleasant odor that's an annoyance,

02:49:52.389 --> 02:49:54.000
that's a civil matter.

02:49:54.000 --> 02:49:56.000
Okay. Thank you.

02:49:56.000 --> 02:49:59.000
If I may.

02:49:59.000 --> 02:50:00.000
Yeah, sure.

02:50:00.000 --> 02:50:01.000
Commissioner Taylor.

02:50:01.000 --> 02:50:02.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

02:50:02.000 --> 02:50:06.000
We often see in our zoning ordinances things like bakeries

02:50:06.000 --> 02:50:09.219
buffered from residential because they have the chance to

02:50:09.219 --> 02:50:13.000
produce odors that normally baking is not a noxious odor,

02:50:13.000 --> 02:50:16.000
but if it's 24/7 it becomes an annoyance.

02:50:16.000 --> 02:50:20.610
So we use our zoning laws to prevent nuisance from

02:50:20.610 --> 02:50:24.000
competitive or different uses.

02:50:24.000 --> 02:50:25.000
Okay. Thank you.

02:50:25.000 --> 02:50:26.000
Thanks for that clarification.

02:50:26.000 --> 02:50:27.000
Okay.

02:50:27.000 --> 02:50:28.879
I have a couple of comments that I wanted to make too, and

02:50:28.879 --> 02:50:31.000
then Commissioner Roswell, thank you for your patience.

02:50:31.000 --> 02:50:35.520
I understand, you know, staff has made a presentation here

02:50:35.520 --> 02:50:39.629
about talking about how there's a commercial property CMG

02:50:39.629 --> 02:50:43.000
all up and down university, and that is true.

02:50:43.000 --> 02:50:45.000
And Julie, I'm going to quote you here.

02:50:45.000 --> 02:50:48.500
When you say you spoke about the properties that, quote, "

02:50:48.500 --> 02:50:51.719
the street it's on" and, quote, "the location on West

02:50:51.719 --> 02:50:54.739
University Drive," I'd like to point out that this location

02:50:54.739 --> 02:50:56.000
is also on Ector Street.

02:50:56.000 --> 02:50:59.430
And I see how CMG can fit on University, but I do not see

02:50:59.430 --> 02:51:03.000
how CMG fits on a residential street such as Ector.

02:51:03.000 --> 02:51:08.000
So that was the first point I want to make.

02:51:08.000 --> 02:51:11.729
And the properties that are east and west of this directly

02:51:11.729 --> 02:51:15.299
are also zoned CMG, but they're not on a hard corner that

02:51:15.299 --> 02:51:18.000
enters or exits into a neighborhood.

02:51:18.000 --> 02:51:22.510
The only way you can get to those businesses is on

02:51:22.510 --> 02:51:24.000
University Drive.

02:51:24.000 --> 02:51:29.030
So, and I think that because this piece of property does

02:51:29.030 --> 02:51:34.760
allow for some commercial uses, I'm really not leaning much

02:51:34.760 --> 02:51:40.000
in favor of approving this rezone request because

02:51:40.000 --> 02:51:45.940
commercial uses are currently allowed and would create a

02:51:45.940 --> 02:51:50.600
sort of a buffer between the neighborhood and the rest of

02:51:50.600 --> 02:51:52.000
the commercial uses.

02:51:52.000 --> 02:51:55.000
So those are my comments. Commissioner Rozelle.

02:51:55.000 --> 02:51:58.000
Thank you very much, Commissioner Taylor.

02:51:58.000 --> 02:52:01.000
Thank you for reiterating the gravity of rezoning.

02:52:01.000 --> 02:52:05.930
I certainly appreciate that this sets in motion a lot of

02:52:05.930 --> 02:52:07.000
things.

02:52:07.000 --> 02:52:12.229
So to that end, and this goes to Commissioner Briegel as

02:52:12.229 --> 02:52:16.709
well, the Zoning Commission has the authority to limit this

02:52:16.709 --> 02:52:20.000
to a University commercial zoning, right?

02:52:20.000 --> 02:52:23.559
It's not inherently on Ector. We can limit access from E

02:52:23.559 --> 02:52:27.000
ctor for all properties through the site planning?

02:52:27.000 --> 02:52:32.000
Not through the zoning, but through the ADP potentially.

02:52:32.000 --> 02:52:35.729
There's mechanisms to always protect an entrance from Ector

02:52:35.729 --> 02:52:38.799
. Is there not? There's situations in which, just for

02:52:38.799 --> 02:52:41.719
clarification, there's situations in which there are ways

02:52:41.719 --> 02:52:44.540
in which an applicant can get access from Ector no matter

02:52:44.540 --> 02:52:45.000
what?

02:52:45.000 --> 02:52:48.079
I'm going to muddy your statement a little bit, and through

02:52:48.079 --> 02:52:51.000
that, through discussion, I may be able to elaborate.

02:52:51.000 --> 02:52:53.000
And Julie, correct me if I'm wrong, too.

02:52:53.000 --> 02:52:58.350
Our Denton Development Code typically prevents or discour

02:52:58.350 --> 02:53:03.340
ages access off of a primary arterial or primary roadway

02:53:03.340 --> 02:53:06.000
such as University Drive.

02:53:06.000 --> 02:53:09.739
In the instance where there is a secondary arterial such as

02:53:09.739 --> 02:53:13.520
Ector, that becomes your main point of ingress and egress

02:53:13.520 --> 02:53:15.000
per the ordinance.

02:53:15.000 --> 02:53:19.690
However, let's now, we're talking about zoning, I

02:53:19.690 --> 02:53:23.059
understand, but now we've mentioned the ADP a little bit,

02:53:23.059 --> 02:53:25.500
and you've asked about site design and how can we limit

02:53:25.500 --> 02:53:30.000
accessibility to a site if these issues come to light.

02:53:30.000 --> 02:53:36.590
The reason why the University corridor right in, right out

02:53:36.590 --> 02:53:41.430
access was suggested and then incorporated in the site

02:53:41.430 --> 02:53:47.799
design was to attempt to limit the number of vehicles that

02:53:47.799 --> 02:53:52.360
ingress off of Ector and to have the majority of the bulk

02:53:52.360 --> 02:53:54.000
of the vehicles off of University Drive,

02:53:54.000 --> 02:53:57.760
despite the ordinance stating that your primary access has

02:53:57.760 --> 02:54:00.000
to come off of a secondary arterial,

02:54:00.000 --> 02:54:04.510
because we understood that University Drive, in essence, is

02:54:04.510 --> 02:54:08.430
designed and should be designed to accommodate these types

02:54:08.430 --> 02:54:12.489
of uses, given the nature of that corridor, given the

02:54:12.489 --> 02:54:16.110
existing land use pattern, and given the existing zoning

02:54:16.110 --> 02:54:17.000
pattern.

02:54:17.000 --> 02:54:21.000
And that's why we encourage that that be looked at.

02:54:21.000 --> 02:54:24.459
However, the only thing you can limit in this instance, if

02:54:24.459 --> 02:54:28.000
you review the ADP, you could make that recommendation.

02:54:28.000 --> 02:54:30.889
But in terms of zoning, you could not place conditional

02:54:30.889 --> 02:54:34.000
zoning or site design implications on the zoning case.

02:54:34.000 --> 02:54:38.610
But then, if this use did not become a reality, then any

02:54:38.610 --> 02:54:42.059
type of modifications or conditions on the ADP would not be

02:54:42.059 --> 02:54:45.049
applicable, should the applicant not pursue this

02:54:45.049 --> 02:54:46.000
application.

02:54:46.000 --> 02:54:49.870
Only slightly muddied. I appreciate that. I understand that

02:54:49.870 --> 02:54:53.329
through zoning, there's not a mechanism for entrance and

02:54:53.329 --> 02:54:54.000
exits.

02:54:54.000 --> 02:54:56.270
I was more curious about the protection of Ector that we,

02:54:56.270 --> 02:54:58.610
the authority we had to protect Ector, because when I

02:54:58.610 --> 02:55:01.620
initially saw this proposition, I kept thinking about the

02:55:01.620 --> 02:55:04.000
Wendy's and Taco Bueno just east.

02:55:04.000 --> 02:55:06.270
There's a single entrance, and then they split the property

02:55:06.270 --> 02:55:09.159
, it looks like, and there's Cordell right to the west, but

02:55:09.159 --> 02:55:11.000
neither one dump out on Cordell.

02:55:11.000 --> 02:55:14.969
So I was just thinking if there's a way to mimic that, I'd

02:55:14.969 --> 02:55:18.020
be curious, but that would be through the ADP and rezoning

02:55:18.020 --> 02:55:22.000
would shut that down if there wasn't the rezone issue.

02:55:22.000 --> 02:55:25.100
So we wouldn't have the opportunity to even have that

02:55:25.100 --> 02:55:27.989
discussion. So I appreciate the clarification in allowing

02:55:27.989 --> 02:55:29.000
me to think out loud.

02:55:29.000 --> 02:55:33.270
I do have one question. Can someone explain to me a little

02:55:33.270 --> 02:55:37.129
bit more about the small area plan and what power that

02:55:37.129 --> 02:55:42.000
would provide the neighborhood in terms of preventing this?

02:55:42.000 --> 02:55:45.600
I think this is a good opportunity for Ron to initiate his

02:55:45.600 --> 02:55:49.000
long range planning.

02:55:49.000 --> 02:55:52.000
This is Ron. You might want to talk to him.

02:55:52.000 --> 02:55:57.329
Hi, Ron Mingida, planning department, long range planning

02:55:57.329 --> 02:56:00.579
administrator. There was an attempt to do a small area plan

02:56:00.579 --> 02:56:02.000
for the Ector-Body and Brea area.

02:56:02.000 --> 02:56:06.610
My understanding is that the boundary of that small area

02:56:06.610 --> 02:56:08.000
plan goes only up to Emory.

02:56:08.000 --> 02:56:11.729
So all the properties south of Emory would be the area that

02:56:11.729 --> 02:56:16.010
we would be looking at protecting, again, character,

02:56:16.010 --> 02:56:19.000
special purpose for that specific area.

02:56:19.000 --> 02:56:22.799
We would built in goals, objectives and guidelines in order

02:56:22.799 --> 02:56:25.000
to protect that neighborhood.

02:56:25.000 --> 02:56:28.079
The small area plan is just that it's a guiding document.

02:56:28.079 --> 02:56:33.469
If we were to further try to protect it, we can also embark

02:56:33.469 --> 02:56:36.799
in an overlay district that would even protect it even more

02:56:36.799 --> 02:56:37.000
.

02:56:37.000 --> 02:56:40.770
But the small area plan is just a study to identify what we

02:56:40.770 --> 02:56:44.450
want that area to be, what it should be and what it could

02:56:44.450 --> 02:56:45.000
be.

02:56:45.000 --> 02:56:50.000
So we set boundaries, we set parameters in that regard.

02:56:50.000 --> 02:56:51.000
Thank you.

02:56:51.000 --> 02:56:52.000
Okay.

02:56:52.000 --> 02:56:54.000
Question, Chair?

02:56:54.000 --> 02:56:55.000
Commissioner Dudowitz.

02:56:55.000 --> 02:56:57.000
You said that the boundary would end at Emory?

02:56:57.000 --> 02:57:01.520
That's the current as it was proposed earlier. It never was

02:57:01.520 --> 02:57:04.000
approved or adopted.

02:57:04.000 --> 02:57:07.409
I understand. If it would be thought of as a small area

02:57:07.409 --> 02:57:11.000
plan, would they have the opportunity to go beyond?

02:57:11.000 --> 02:57:12.000
They could.

02:57:12.000 --> 02:57:13.000
Ector up to?

02:57:13.000 --> 02:57:15.000
Up to this property.

02:57:15.000 --> 02:57:16.000
Up to what?

02:57:16.000 --> 02:57:17.000
Up to university.

02:57:17.000 --> 02:57:18.000
Up to university.

02:57:18.000 --> 02:57:24.000
If the community chooses to include that area.

02:57:24.000 --> 02:57:25.000
Thank you.

02:57:25.000 --> 02:57:28.000
Okay.

02:57:28.000 --> 02:57:31.729
So we've heard from all the commissioners. Commissioner

02:57:31.729 --> 02:57:33.000
Taylor?

02:57:33.000 --> 02:57:37.780
So I think we're moving a little bit more slowly on this

02:57:37.780 --> 02:57:42.680
for a few reasons, but one of them is that we are short up

02:57:42.680 --> 02:57:46.100
here on the DS, so it's not going to necessarily be a

02:57:46.100 --> 02:57:47.000
simple vote.

02:57:47.000 --> 02:57:51.069
So I want to make sure that we're reaching something that

02:57:51.069 --> 02:57:55.219
we're basically in consensus for so we don't have to have a

02:57:55.219 --> 02:57:57.000
bunch of hung votes.

02:57:57.000 --> 02:58:02.149
And I do agree with Commissioner Rozelle that if this was

02:58:02.149 --> 02:58:07.159
an SUP or a handful of other maybe like MPCs that require

02:58:07.159 --> 02:58:11.180
site plan approval where we could limit access to Ector

02:58:11.180 --> 02:58:15.770
altogether, create a buffer along Ector, you know, I think

02:58:15.770 --> 02:58:19.000
this could potentially be compatible.

02:58:19.000 --> 02:58:24.670
But this isn't an MPC. There isn't a way to get this to SUP

02:58:24.670 --> 02:58:25.000
.

02:58:25.000 --> 02:58:28.780
With an NRMU, it does not allow drive through restaurants

02:58:28.780 --> 02:58:31.000
period, not even with an SUP.

02:58:31.000 --> 02:58:33.520
When you go to categories that allow drive through

02:58:33.520 --> 02:58:36.000
restaurants, they just allow them by right.

02:58:36.000 --> 02:58:41.000
And so that means there isn't any kind of board review.

02:58:41.000 --> 02:58:44.100
It's just you go file your building permit and you get a

02:58:44.100 --> 02:58:46.000
building permit and go forth.

02:58:46.000 --> 02:58:49.569
So for these reasons, I'm going to move that we recommend

02:58:49.569 --> 02:58:53.139
denial of the rezoning due to the incompatible use that's

02:58:53.139 --> 02:58:57.379
encroaching on an existing neighborhood, potential undue nu

02:58:57.379 --> 02:59:01.000
isances created by this incompatible use of noise litter

02:59:01.000 --> 02:59:04.000
traffic and so forth.

02:59:04.000 --> 02:59:12.000
Cycling hours of operation and odor.

02:59:12.000 --> 02:59:15.000
Thank you. So we have a first Commissioner Beck.

02:59:15.000 --> 02:59:18.000
I don't know.

02:59:18.000 --> 02:59:20.000
That wasn't. Yeah, he did make a motion.

02:59:20.000 --> 02:59:22.000
Yeah, it's not on the board, but he did make a motion.

02:59:22.000 --> 02:59:25.000
So we have a first by Commissioner Taylor.

02:59:25.000 --> 02:59:30.000
And you move to deny this recommend denial.

02:59:30.000 --> 02:59:33.000
We've got a second by Commissioner Beck.

02:59:33.000 --> 02:59:38.000
Is there any further discussion on this before we vote?

02:59:38.000 --> 02:59:42.000
So vote for is to recommend denial.

02:59:42.000 --> 02:59:46.000
We clear on that. Okay. Thank you.

02:59:46.000 --> 03:00:00.000
Okay.

03:00:00.000 --> 03:00:04.000
Okay. So the.

03:00:04.000 --> 03:00:09.139
So the motion passed the motion. How do I say this the

03:00:09.139 --> 03:00:14.399
motion to deny has passed. So the rezone will not go into

03:00:14.399 --> 03:00:18.000
effect or the next step is City Council.

03:00:18.000 --> 03:00:22.000
Next up is City Council, but we recommend a denial.

03:00:22.000 --> 03:00:27.000
Do we hear.

03:00:27.000 --> 03:00:34.000
Do we do we now hear the ADP as well?

03:00:34.000 --> 03:00:36.000
Quickly.

03:00:36.000 --> 03:00:40.000
Oh, yes. Can we? Yes. So I guess we have the option of

03:00:40.000 --> 03:00:44.000
postponing this until after we hear back from City Council.

03:00:44.000 --> 03:00:49.000
What they choose to do about this case.

03:00:49.000 --> 03:00:54.170
So I think we need a motion to as I understand though, the

03:00:54.170 --> 03:00:58.000
passage or the denial makes this ADP moot.

03:00:58.000 --> 03:01:00.000
It must be overridden.

03:01:00.000 --> 03:01:04.000
Overridden.

03:01:04.000 --> 03:01:06.760
Because it's an item and we might take it up later after

03:01:06.760 --> 03:01:08.000
council decides it.

03:01:08.000 --> 03:01:20.000
Council could by super majority vote overturn. And if they

03:01:20.000 --> 03:01:20.000
approve it, then they're going to want to see an ADP

03:01:20.000 --> 03:01:20.000
associated with that. The PNC will have to consider that

03:01:20.000 --> 03:01:20.000
time.

03:01:20.000 --> 03:01:23.260
So do we, we need to make a motion to postpone. I would

03:01:23.260 --> 03:01:25.219
make a motion to postpone in this case because it's not a

03:01:25.219 --> 03:01:27.000
city initiated. Okay.

03:01:27.000 --> 03:01:32.239
So first commissioner Roselle, I motion to postpone item

03:01:32.239 --> 03:01:37.379
for C to until when until hearing back from City Council on

03:01:37.379 --> 03:01:40.000
the previously voted five D.

03:01:40.000 --> 03:01:44.000
Thank you. We have a motion. Do we have a second.

03:01:44.000 --> 03:01:49.139
Commissioner Dudowitz. I second the motion. Thank you. Okay

03:01:49.139 --> 03:01:53.450
. First and a second to postpone the item for C, which is

03:01:53.450 --> 03:01:57.600
the ADP until after we hear back from City Council on the

03:01:57.600 --> 03:01:59.000
reason request.

03:01:59.000 --> 03:02:02.000
But any conversation on this.

03:02:02.000 --> 03:02:05.000
Okay, go ahead and I'm sorry. Commissioner Taylor.

03:02:05.000 --> 03:02:09.610
Thank you. I'm just going to insert just use my pulpit up

03:02:09.610 --> 03:02:14.149
here. So we have recommended denial to City Council. This

03:02:14.149 --> 03:02:16.000
will go will most likely go to City Council for a vote.

03:02:16.000 --> 03:02:20.520
So anybody who's interested in the outcome of this case

03:02:20.520 --> 03:02:24.899
should pay attention and probably go to City Council in

03:02:24.899 --> 03:02:29.000
three to four weeks, somewhere around there.

03:02:29.000 --> 03:02:33.000
Thank you, Commissioner Taylor.

03:02:33.000 --> 03:02:44.399
Seeing no other comments. I'm you already devote to postp

03:02:44.399 --> 03:02:48.000
one

03:02:48.000 --> 03:02:51.000
down there in the peanut gallery. All right.

03:02:51.000 --> 03:02:57.000
All right. Motion passes five zero to postpone the ADP.

03:02:57.000 --> 03:03:03.100
I'm wondering if we can take a five minute break or so. No,

03:03:03.100 --> 03:03:04.590
10 minute break. We're going to take a quick 10 minute

03:03:04.590 --> 03:03:06.450
break before we hear the rest of the agenda items. Thank

03:03:06.450 --> 03:03:07.000
you.

03:03:07.000 --> 03:03:25.000
It's the time is eight forty three or so.

03:03:25.000 --> 03:03:26.889
Thank you and welcome back to the regular session of

03:03:26.889 --> 03:03:30.329
tonight's planning and zoning commission meeting. The time

03:03:30.329 --> 03:03:34.000
now is eight fifty five.

03:03:34.000 --> 03:03:37.680
Up next, we are going to hear item. I just went through

03:03:37.680 --> 03:03:38.000
this.

03:03:38.000 --> 03:03:41.790
Is it five a that we're doing five a hold a public hearing

03:03:41.790 --> 03:03:45.520
and consider making a recommendation to City Council

03:03:45.520 --> 03:03:49.950
regarding amending the procedural and development standards

03:03:49.950 --> 03:03:53.860
for the razor ranch overlay district by superseding the

03:03:53.860 --> 03:03:56.229
previously approved razor ranch overlay district

03:03:56.229 --> 03:03:56.840
classification and amending Chapter 35 subchapter seven

03:03:56.840 --> 03:03:59.000
fifteen of the city of Denton development code.

03:03:59.000 --> 03:04:02.219
The approximately four hundred ten acre site is generally

03:04:02.219 --> 03:04:05.250
located on the north and south sides of US Highway three

03:04:05.250 --> 03:04:08.540
eighty between I thirty five and Bonnie Bray. Do I open the

03:04:08.540 --> 03:04:10.000
public hearing at this time? Thank you.

03:04:10.000 --> 03:04:13.350
And that would be at eight fifty. Yes. But if I if you

03:04:13.350 --> 03:04:17.030
could just allow me to make a correction to that item just

03:04:17.030 --> 03:04:20.000
for the record, it is not super seizure.

03:04:20.000 --> 03:04:23.969
It is an amendment and the backup materials you'll see that

03:04:23.969 --> 03:04:28.200
it is actually amending the overlay not superseding. Yes,

03:04:28.200 --> 03:04:29.000
ma'am. Thank you.

03:04:29.000 --> 03:04:33.090
Sophie, I open the public hearing. I'm sorry at eight fifty

03:04:33.090 --> 03:04:37.000
five and we're going to hear from Sophie.

03:04:37.000 --> 03:04:40.780
All right. This is S.I. fifteen sixteen the razor ranch

03:04:40.780 --> 03:04:42.000
zoning amendment.

03:04:42.000 --> 03:04:44.510
The request before you is to consider making a

03:04:44.510 --> 03:04:47.639
recommendation to City Council regarding amending the

03:04:47.639 --> 03:04:50.879
procedural and development standards for the razor ranch

03:04:50.879 --> 03:04:53.989
overlay district, which should supersede the previously

03:04:53.989 --> 03:04:57.370
approved razor ranch overlay district classification and

03:04:57.370 --> 03:05:00.649
amend Chapter thirty five subchapter seven fifteen of the

03:05:00.649 --> 03:05:04.000
Denton development code.

03:05:04.000 --> 03:05:07.729
Razor Ranch is approximately four hundred ten acres located

03:05:07.729 --> 03:05:11.090
located on the north and south sides of US Highway three

03:05:11.090 --> 03:05:14.440
eighty between I thirty five and Bonnie Bray Street and

03:05:14.440 --> 03:05:16.000
scripture on the south.

03:05:16.000 --> 03:05:19.579
Purpose of this amendment is to eliminate ambiguities

03:05:19.579 --> 03:05:23.069
between your concept plan sub areas and uses as well as

03:05:23.069 --> 03:05:27.000
amend any exhibits that conflict with past site plans.

03:05:27.000 --> 03:05:30.440
The amendment also aligns the goals of the Razor Ranch Town

03:05:30.440 --> 03:05:33.700
Center vision, which was presented to City Council on

03:05:33.700 --> 03:05:37.000
January six twenty fifteen with the concept plan.

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I'm just going to run through a summary of the amendments.

03:05:40.000 --> 03:05:43.129
The first one is to amend the concept plan to reflect

03:05:43.129 --> 03:05:46.229
current and future development as proposed by red

03:05:46.229 --> 03:05:50.000
development in the vision presentation to City Council.

03:05:50.000 --> 03:05:54.670
Here we have the exhibit bees be one. The original is on

03:05:54.670 --> 03:05:59.000
the left on the proposed changes are on the right.

03:05:59.000 --> 03:06:02.100
If you follow my mouse, you'll be able to see that we've

03:06:02.100 --> 03:06:05.290
extended the town center up to include some of the parking

03:06:05.290 --> 03:06:10.139
fields, modified South RR two to include the approved Winko

03:06:10.139 --> 03:06:16.989
building and the hotel RROMF district now aligns with lot

03:06:16.989 --> 03:06:19.000
nine are of the razor ranch town center,

03:06:19.000 --> 03:06:23.510
which has been previously approved by the planning and

03:06:23.510 --> 03:06:25.000
zoning commission.

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This is an exhibit showing the underlying zoning district.

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Again, the underlying zoning district has not changed.

03:06:32.000 --> 03:06:37.290
The only thing that has changed are the concept plan lines,

03:06:37.290 --> 03:06:41.000
which are reflected in exhibit be one.

03:06:41.000 --> 03:06:44.360
This is exhibit be to the bubble plan as part of the

03:06:44.360 --> 03:06:46.000
current ordinance.

03:06:46.000 --> 03:06:49.219
It is it will be removed as part of this amendment as it is

03:06:49.219 --> 03:06:51.000
not a regulatory document.

03:06:51.000 --> 03:06:55.750
That concept plan is the document that sets the boundaries

03:06:55.750 --> 03:06:59.000
for the sub areas and the permitted uses.

03:06:59.000 --> 03:07:01.000
The density zone plan.

03:07:01.000 --> 03:07:04.219
It's exhibit be three has also been modified to reflect

03:07:04.219 --> 03:07:07.000
contemplated development of multifamily.

03:07:07.000 --> 03:07:10.750
The number of allowable units, density and trigger

03:07:10.750 --> 03:07:15.090
requirements that are based on non residential development

03:07:15.090 --> 03:07:17.000
have been left unchanged.

03:07:17.000 --> 03:07:20.930
This is the proposed change again extends into lot nine are

03:07:20.930 --> 03:07:25.000
where there's contemplated multifamily development.

03:07:25.000 --> 03:07:30.329
And again, just to reiterate, there's no change of density

03:07:30.329 --> 03:07:35.000
or overall number of units allowed in those zones.

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This is exhibit be five.

03:07:37.000 --> 03:07:42.030
It has been modified to reflect current built conditions

03:07:42.030 --> 03:07:47.690
specifically to the marketplace and to the cook children's

03:07:47.690 --> 03:07:49.000
property.

03:07:49.000 --> 03:07:52.000
The next amendment is to clarify criteria for site plans.

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Site plans are reviewed in accordance with the development

03:07:55.559 --> 03:07:59.000
code as modified by the razor range overlay district.

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And again, to reiterate, the permitted uses are governed by

03:08:02.500 --> 03:08:07.000
sub areas such as the RR ones and the RR twos.

03:08:07.000 --> 03:08:09.760
To summarize, the city of Denton is amending the razor

03:08:09.760 --> 03:08:13.219
ranch overlay district to eliminate inconsistencies and

03:08:13.219 --> 03:08:17.159
ambiguities of the concept plan and outdated exhibits as

03:08:17.159 --> 03:08:20.000
well as procedural regulations.

03:08:20.000 --> 03:08:22.889
Notification were sent out to properties within 200 feet

03:08:22.889 --> 03:08:24.000
and 500 feet.

03:08:24.000 --> 03:08:29.000
We have received none to this date.

03:08:29.000 --> 03:08:32.100
Staff is recommending approval of the request as is

03:08:32.100 --> 03:08:35.000
compatible with the DDC section 3573.

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I'll stand for any questions.

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>> Commissioner Taylor.

03:08:42.000 --> 03:08:44.000
>> Thank you, Vice Chair.

03:08:44.000 --> 03:08:46.000
I just have a few questions, Sophie.

03:08:46.000 --> 03:08:47.000
>> Sure.

03:08:47.000 --> 03:08:49.299
>> I think I know the answers to these, but I'll go ahead

03:08:49.299 --> 03:08:50.000
and ask them.

03:08:50.000 --> 03:08:56.530
Does this change permitted uses within the razor ranch

03:08:56.530 --> 03:08:59.000
shopping center?

03:08:59.000 --> 03:09:00.000
>> No.

03:09:00.000 --> 03:09:04.000
>> Does it change landscaping requirements?

03:09:04.000 --> 03:09:09.260
>> No, as far as they relate to what's within RR one or RR

03:09:09.260 --> 03:09:10.000
two.

03:09:10.000 --> 03:09:14.139
None of the bulk of that, you'll know the magazine, C and D

03:09:14.139 --> 03:09:17.549
of the razor ranch overlay district, none of that has

03:09:17.549 --> 03:09:18.000
changed.

03:09:18.000 --> 03:09:21.790
If a boundary has changed, it would now have to comply with

03:09:21.790 --> 03:09:23.000
that sub area.

03:09:23.000 --> 03:09:26.680
So any area that's within RR one now must comply with the R

03:09:26.680 --> 03:09:28.000
R one standards.

03:09:28.000 --> 03:09:32.729
>> And so as an example, masonry coverage on a building,

03:09:32.729 --> 03:09:38.000
patio space, pedestrian orientation, amount of --

03:09:38.000 --> 03:09:40.000
>> Correct.

03:09:40.000 --> 03:09:41.000
>> The plaza.

03:09:41.000 --> 03:09:42.000
>> Yeah, plaza.

03:09:42.000 --> 03:09:45.000
So have any of those requirements changed?

03:09:45.000 --> 03:09:46.000
>> Nope, they remain.

03:09:46.000 --> 03:09:52.000
>> Okay, thank you.

03:09:52.000 --> 03:09:56.000
>> Any other questions for staff?

03:09:56.000 --> 03:10:00.000
Thank you, Sophie.

03:10:00.000 --> 03:10:02.479
If the applicant is here, would you care to speak on this

03:10:02.479 --> 03:10:03.000
issue?

03:10:03.000 --> 03:10:09.000
>> No.

03:10:09.000 --> 03:10:12.000
>> This is a public hearing.

03:10:12.000 --> 03:10:17.000
I have one card from Suzanne Smith.

03:10:17.000 --> 03:10:21.000
I'm not sure if Suzanne would like to speak on this or not.

03:10:21.000 --> 03:10:23.000
She marked 5A.

03:10:23.000 --> 03:10:26.100
She just wrote, I am unclear as to the benefit or reason

03:10:26.100 --> 03:10:29.000
for this amendment to the overlay ordinance.

03:10:29.000 --> 03:10:32.209
I also have one card, it's not marked, but it looks like it

03:10:32.209 --> 03:10:35.000
's in regards to razor ranch from Frank Mayhew.

03:10:35.000 --> 03:10:39.000
Would you care to speak on this item, sir?

03:10:39.000 --> 03:10:40.000
Fantastic.

03:10:40.000 --> 03:10:42.000
Okay.

03:10:42.000 --> 03:10:43.000
Well done, Sophie.

03:10:43.000 --> 03:10:44.000
Great job.

03:10:44.000 --> 03:10:45.000
>> On this section.

03:10:45.000 --> 03:10:46.000
>> On this section, yes, sir.

03:10:46.000 --> 03:10:47.000
Okay.

03:10:47.000 --> 03:10:48.000
Thank you.

03:10:48.000 --> 03:10:49.000
So this is a public hearing.

03:10:49.000 --> 03:10:52.079
If anyone would like to speak for or against this item, you

03:10:52.079 --> 03:10:57.000
're certainly welcome to approach the podium now.

03:10:57.000 --> 03:11:00.000
For or against anyone?

03:11:00.000 --> 03:11:02.000
Okay.

03:11:02.000 --> 03:11:06.000
With that, I will close public hearing at 903 and open it

03:11:06.000 --> 03:11:09.000
up to discussion among the commissioners.

03:11:09.000 --> 03:11:13.000
Is there any discussion on this item?

03:11:13.000 --> 03:11:17.000
The vice chair would entertain a motion.

03:11:17.000 --> 03:11:19.000
Commissioner Detowitz?

03:11:19.000 --> 03:11:21.000
I recommend approval as submitted.

03:11:21.000 --> 03:11:22.000
Commissioner Rossell?

03:11:22.000 --> 03:11:25.000
I second that.

03:11:25.000 --> 03:11:27.000
I second that.

03:11:27.000 --> 03:11:29.500
We have a first from Commissioner Detowitz and a second

03:11:29.500 --> 03:11:31.000
from Commissioner Rossell.

03:11:31.000 --> 03:11:35.510
Is there any conversation that we'd like to have before we

03:11:35.510 --> 03:11:36.000
vote?

03:11:36.000 --> 03:11:39.000
Okay.

03:11:39.000 --> 03:11:49.000
Then please vote on the board.

03:11:49.000 --> 03:11:52.000
That motion passes, 5-0.

03:11:52.000 --> 03:11:56.000
Next up is public hearing 5B.

03:11:56.000 --> 03:11:58.639
Hold a public hearing and consider a final replat of the

03:11:58.639 --> 03:12:03.559
Razor Ranch Town Center, Phase 1, Lots 10, R1, 11 and 12,

03:12:03.559 --> 03:12:04.000
Block A,

03:12:04.000 --> 03:12:08.020
being a replat of Razor Ranch Town Center, Phase 1, Lot 10,

03:12:08.020 --> 03:12:11.000
R and Lot 1, Block 1, Razor Ranch South, Conveyance Platte,

03:12:11.000 --> 03:12:14.000
Cabinet Y, Slide 470.

03:12:14.000 --> 03:12:18.620
The approximately 73.921 acre property is generally located

03:12:18.620 --> 03:12:22.000
at the southwest corner of University and I-35.

03:12:22.000 --> 03:12:27.350
With that, I will open the public hearing at 905 and we'll

03:12:27.350 --> 03:12:29.000
hear from staff.

03:12:29.000 --> 03:12:31.000
Thank you, Chair.

03:12:31.000 --> 03:12:36.100
This is FR 1526, the final replat of the Razor Ranch Town

03:12:36.100 --> 03:12:37.000
Center.

03:12:37.000 --> 03:12:41.510
It's for three lots, being a replat of Razor Ranch Town

03:12:41.510 --> 03:12:44.579
Center, Phase 1, Lot 10, R and Lot 1, Block 1 of the Razor

03:12:44.579 --> 03:12:46.000
Ranch South, Conveyance Platte.

03:12:46.000 --> 03:12:52.879
Section 212-14 of the Texas Local Government Code requires

03:12:52.879 --> 03:12:56.399
a public hearing for any replat of a subdivision or part of

03:12:56.399 --> 03:12:59.000
a subdivision without vacation of the preceding platte.

03:12:59.000 --> 03:13:04.100
This is the first page of the platte and it contains Lot 10

03:13:04.100 --> 03:13:05.000
, R1.

03:13:05.000 --> 03:13:09.180
This is the second page of the platte, containing lots 10,

03:13:09.180 --> 03:13:14.000
R, a continuation of lot 10, R1, lot 11 and lot 12.

03:13:14.000 --> 03:13:18.239
The schematic before you are the existing conditions of the

03:13:18.239 --> 03:13:22.520
platte, lot 10, R, and to the north and then to the south

03:13:22.520 --> 03:13:25.000
there's an existing conveyance platte.

03:13:25.000 --> 03:13:32.000
So to facilitate the platte of the convention center, you

03:13:32.000 --> 03:13:37.000
have lot 11, which was taken out of lot 10, R.

03:13:37.000 --> 03:13:41.000
Lot 10, R now becomes lot 10, R1.

03:13:41.000 --> 03:13:44.729
Lot 12 was pulled out of the existing conveyance platte and

03:13:44.729 --> 03:13:46.000
became lot 12.

03:13:46.000 --> 03:13:49.870
And then the remainder will be conveyed as part of a convey

03:13:49.870 --> 03:13:51.000
ance platte.

03:13:51.000 --> 03:13:54.659
Project number is CV15-4 and is before you for

03:13:54.659 --> 03:13:57.000
consideration this evening.

03:13:57.000 --> 03:14:00.250
All of the technical requirements of the platte have been

03:14:00.250 --> 03:14:03.000
met and the platte is in order as submitted.

03:14:03.000 --> 03:14:05.700
The replat complies with all debt and development code

03:14:05.700 --> 03:14:08.000
requirements and staff recommends approval.

03:14:08.000 --> 03:14:10.000
I'll stand for any questions.

03:14:10.000 --> 03:14:16.000
>> Are there questions for staff?

03:14:16.000 --> 03:14:18.000
Okay.

03:14:18.000 --> 03:14:21.000
Thank you, Sophie.

03:14:21.000 --> 03:14:24.000
Would the applicant care to speak?

03:14:24.000 --> 03:14:25.000
This is a public hearing.

03:14:25.000 --> 03:14:28.469
If anyone would like to speak for or against this item, you

03:14:28.469 --> 03:14:31.000
're certainly welcome to at this time.

03:14:31.000 --> 03:14:34.000
Is there anyone that would like to speak?

03:14:34.000 --> 03:14:35.000
Okay.

03:14:35.000 --> 03:14:38.680
With that, I will close the public hearing at 9.07 and open

03:14:38.680 --> 03:14:40.000
it up to discussion.

03:14:40.000 --> 03:14:42.000
Commissioner Taylor.

03:14:42.000 --> 03:14:44.000
>> I move approval of this platte.

03:14:44.000 --> 03:14:45.000
>> Commissioner Beck.

03:14:45.000 --> 03:14:46.000
>> Second.

03:14:46.000 --> 03:14:49.000
>> Is there any further discussion on this?

03:14:49.000 --> 03:14:52.280
We've got a first from Commissioner Taylor and a second

03:14:52.280 --> 03:14:54.000
from Commissioner Beck.

03:14:54.000 --> 03:14:55.000
Okay.

03:14:55.000 --> 03:15:04.000
Then please vote on the board.

03:15:04.000 --> 03:15:07.000
That motion passes, 5-0.

03:15:07.000 --> 03:15:09.000
Up next is 3A.

03:15:09.000 --> 03:15:10.000
Am I correct in that?

03:15:10.000 --> 03:15:11.000
3A.

03:15:11.000 --> 03:15:13.000
We're going to go back to the consent agenda.

03:15:13.000 --> 03:15:16.000
We did pull item 3A at the beginning of this meeting.

03:15:16.000 --> 03:15:19.049
We'll hear it now, which is to consider conveyance platte

03:15:19.049 --> 03:15:28.000
of lot 13, block 1 of the Razor Ranch Town Center, phase 1.

03:15:28.000 --> 03:15:31.770
Do we just move right into--we don't need a staff

03:15:31.770 --> 03:15:34.000
presentation on this?

03:15:34.000 --> 03:15:35.000
Okay.

03:15:35.000 --> 03:15:36.000
All right.

03:15:36.000 --> 03:15:37.000
Commissioner Taylor.

03:15:37.000 --> 03:15:41.000
>> I move acceptance of platte of 3-1A.

03:15:41.000 --> 03:15:44.000
3A, excuse me.

03:15:44.000 --> 03:15:47.219
>> We have a motion for approval of item 3A from

03:15:47.219 --> 03:15:49.000
Commissioner Taylor.

03:15:49.000 --> 03:15:50.000
Commissioner Rossell.

03:15:50.000 --> 03:15:52.000
>> I second that motion.

03:15:52.000 --> 03:15:54.000
>> Got a first and a second.

03:15:54.000 --> 03:16:05.000
If there's no discussion, then we can vote on the board.

03:16:05.000 --> 03:16:09.000
Item 3A passes unanimously, 5-0.

03:16:09.000 --> 03:16:12.000
Now we move on to items for individual consideration.

03:16:12.000 --> 03:16:15.729
Item 4A, consider approval of a site plan within the Razor

03:16:15.729 --> 03:16:20.559
Ranch South Campus for a drive-through restaurant on lot 1,

03:16:20.559 --> 03:16:26.000
block A of the Razor Ranch Town Center, phase 1.

03:16:26.000 --> 03:16:28.870
This is not a public hearing, so I don't have to note the

03:16:28.870 --> 03:16:30.000
time, correct?

03:16:30.000 --> 03:16:31.000
>> Correct.

03:16:31.000 --> 03:16:32.000
>> Okay.

03:16:32.000 --> 03:16:33.000
I'm new to this.

03:16:33.000 --> 03:16:34.000
Thank you.

03:16:34.000 --> 03:16:35.000
>> Well, we took it a little out of order.

03:16:35.000 --> 03:16:36.000
>> We did.

03:16:36.000 --> 03:16:37.000
I know.

03:16:37.000 --> 03:16:38.000
It's very confusing.

03:16:38.000 --> 03:16:39.000
>> Thank you.

03:16:39.000 --> 03:16:40.000
Okay.

03:16:40.000 --> 03:16:41.000
So from that, we'll hear from staff.

03:16:41.000 --> 03:16:42.000
>> All right.

03:16:42.000 --> 03:16:43.000
Thank you.

03:16:43.000 --> 03:16:48.000
This is SP15-4, the In-N-Out Burger Razor Ranch Site Plan.

03:16:48.000 --> 03:16:50.340
Request before you to consider approval of a site plan

03:16:50.340 --> 03:16:54.120
within the Razor Ranch South Campus for a 3,870-square-foot

03:16:54.120 --> 03:16:58.260
drive-through restaurant on lot 1, block A of the Razor

03:16:58.260 --> 03:17:01.000
Ranch Town Center, phase 1.

03:17:01.000 --> 03:17:03.000
Subject property is outlined in red on the screen.

03:17:03.000 --> 03:17:07.799
It's on the south side of US Highway 380 and 300 feet east

03:17:07.799 --> 03:17:09.000
of I-35.

03:17:09.000 --> 03:17:12.219
Subject property is located within the Razor Ranch Overlay

03:17:12.219 --> 03:17:13.000
District.

03:17:13.000 --> 03:17:16.000
It's further located in the South RR2 sub-district.

03:17:16.000 --> 03:17:19.979
Drive-throughs and restaurants are permitted in that

03:17:19.979 --> 03:17:21.000
district.

03:17:21.000 --> 03:17:24.000
So we go over some previously approved projects.

03:17:24.000 --> 03:17:27.500
The In-N-Out Burger, if approved tonight, will be next to

03:17:27.500 --> 03:17:29.000
the Chili's on lot 2.

03:17:29.000 --> 03:17:33.010
This was previously approved as well as Multitenant Retail

03:17:33.010 --> 03:17:34.000
on lot 4.

03:17:34.000 --> 03:17:37.000
Raising Cane's Drive-Through Restaurant on lot 5.

03:17:37.000 --> 03:17:40.000
Wynco on lot 9.

03:17:40.000 --> 03:17:44.729
And then Multitenant Retail was also recently approved next

03:17:44.729 --> 03:17:46.000
to the Wynco.

03:17:46.000 --> 03:17:49.799
Razor Ranch site plans are required to submit a site plan,

03:17:49.799 --> 03:17:53.000
landscape plan, and building elevations.

03:17:53.000 --> 03:17:56.000
This is the site plan for the In-N-Out Burger.

03:17:56.000 --> 03:17:58.000
It is located again on lot 1.

03:17:58.000 --> 03:18:01.829
There is an approved TxDOT permit for this opening onto

03:18:01.829 --> 03:18:03.000
University.

03:18:03.000 --> 03:18:06.000
The lot coverage is 74%.

03:18:06.000 --> 03:18:08.000
Landscape area is 25%.

03:18:08.000 --> 03:18:11.000
And it complies with that section of the Overlay District.

03:18:11.000 --> 03:18:14.000
This is the landscape plan.

03:18:14.000 --> 03:18:19.260
They provide 29% parking lot landscaping, 37% parking lot

03:18:19.260 --> 03:18:21.000
tree canopy.

03:18:21.000 --> 03:18:26.989
As for the Hartscape and Plaza area, they've combined three

03:18:26.989 --> 03:18:29.000
elements into that Plaza area,

03:18:29.000 --> 03:18:33.170
including outdoor dining, additional pedestrian seating, as

03:18:33.170 --> 03:18:37.000
well as integrated shade to that Plaza area.

03:18:37.000 --> 03:18:41.000
These are the elevations.

03:18:41.000 --> 03:18:44.270
The top one is the south elevation, as you would be looking

03:18:44.270 --> 03:18:46.000
north from the town center.

03:18:46.000 --> 03:18:50.649
The east elevation is, as you would be looking, from the

03:18:50.649 --> 03:18:53.000
adjacent lot to the Chili's.

03:18:53.000 --> 03:18:58.000
And this is also considered their main entrance.

03:18:58.000 --> 03:19:02.000
The north elevation is what you'd be looking at from 380.

03:19:02.000 --> 03:19:05.510
And the west elevation is what you would be looking at from

03:19:05.510 --> 03:19:07.000
the internal drive.

03:19:07.000 --> 03:19:11.040
The elevations substantially comply with the architectural

03:19:11.040 --> 03:19:14.000
requirements for the Razor Ranch Overlay District.

03:19:14.000 --> 03:19:18.760
This includes elements as to the color scheme, as well as

03:19:18.760 --> 03:19:21.000
the building material.

03:19:21.000 --> 03:19:24.209
So the site plan, just to go through the criteria for

03:19:24.209 --> 03:19:25.000
approval,

03:19:25.000 --> 03:19:27.610
the site plan does comply with the concept and schematic

03:19:27.610 --> 03:19:31.000
plan, as the use is permitted.

03:19:31.000 --> 03:19:33.659
The site plan also provides for a compatible arrangement of

03:19:33.659 --> 03:19:35.000
buildings and land uses.

03:19:35.000 --> 03:19:38.879
It's bordered by University Drive to the north and is

03:19:38.879 --> 03:19:42.000
surrounded by other commercial uses.

03:19:42.000 --> 03:19:46.469
The site plan shares internal drive aisles and allows for

03:19:46.469 --> 03:19:49.000
the safe movement of pedestrians and vehicular traffic.

03:19:49.000 --> 03:19:53.000
So it meets this criteria for approval.

03:19:53.000 --> 03:19:56.569
And it also fully complies with all other sections of the

03:19:56.569 --> 03:19:58.000
Overlay District.

03:19:58.000 --> 03:20:01.069
Staff is recommending approval of the proposed site plan,

03:20:01.069 --> 03:20:03.000
as it is consistent with the Razor Ranch Overlay District.

03:20:03.000 --> 03:20:06.000
And I'll stand for any questions.

03:20:06.000 --> 03:20:08.000
Commissioner Rozelle.

03:20:08.000 --> 03:20:09.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

03:20:09.000 --> 03:20:14.000
I have maybe more point of clarification.

03:20:14.000 --> 03:20:20.180
One of the entrances to that property is on the far west,

03:20:20.180 --> 03:20:24.000
and it's a right in, right out, I believe.

03:20:24.000 --> 03:20:27.729
Correct. On the west side of that landscape, there's going

03:20:27.729 --> 03:20:29.000
to be a road, right?

03:20:29.000 --> 03:20:31.000
Correct. This is an internal drive aisle.

03:20:31.000 --> 03:20:32.000
Okay.

03:20:32.000 --> 03:20:34.000
And it will connect this road down here.

03:20:34.000 --> 03:20:37.000
I can actually take you back to this.

03:20:37.000 --> 03:20:40.000
This is Lot 1. This is where the Manow Burger is.

03:20:40.000 --> 03:20:42.000
There's an entrance here.

03:20:42.000 --> 03:20:45.319
And this internal drive aisle acts as kind of a spine

03:20:45.319 --> 03:20:48.940
between the auto-oriented kind of pad buildings on this

03:20:48.940 --> 03:20:50.000
north side.

03:20:50.000 --> 03:20:53.110
And this road here will eventually be your entrance to the

03:20:53.110 --> 03:20:54.000
town center.

03:20:54.000 --> 03:20:57.680
Okay. So on University, right there on the west side, there

03:20:57.680 --> 03:21:01.000
is a curb cut for a north turn.

03:21:01.000 --> 03:21:03.649
So you're heading east. You can turn into that racetrack or

03:21:03.649 --> 03:21:05.000
quick trip right there.

03:21:05.000 --> 03:21:10.549
Is it an obligation of TxDOT to have a turn lane going left

03:21:10.549 --> 03:21:11.000
?

03:21:11.000 --> 03:21:14.000
Or is it just assuming that they would turn on that street?

03:21:14.000 --> 03:21:17.209
If there's a curb cut there but not a turn lane, I wonder

03:21:17.209 --> 03:21:20.129
if that causes any confusion, if people can turn left into

03:21:20.129 --> 03:21:21.000
and out?

03:21:21.000 --> 03:21:24.000
I know that the analysis was done with this TxDOT permit.

03:21:24.000 --> 03:21:26.450
Earl Escobar is here, and he can probably answer any

03:21:26.450 --> 03:21:29.100
questions to that TxDOT permit and the requirements that

03:21:29.100 --> 03:21:30.000
were there for that.

03:21:30.000 --> 03:21:33.819
I was wondering about that left turn being open but not

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designated.

03:21:35.000 --> 03:21:38.000
Thank you.

03:21:38.000 --> 03:21:40.000
Easier to explain with an aerial.

03:21:40.000 --> 03:21:43.000
Yeah.

03:21:43.000 --> 03:21:47.000
I can explain it.

03:21:47.000 --> 03:21:49.319
Good evening, Commissioner Earl Escobar, Engineering

03:21:49.319 --> 03:21:50.000
Department.

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There is a median opening at the driveway location.

03:21:55.000 --> 03:21:59.909
However, there is not a left turn lane to head south onto

03:21:59.909 --> 03:22:01.000
the site.

03:22:01.000 --> 03:22:03.969
So that is why this driveway was only approved as a right

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in, right out.

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And that's why you have that pork chop and island to

03:22:08.100 --> 03:22:10.000
prevent those left turns from --

03:22:10.000 --> 03:22:12.000
Perfect. I didn't know there was that island there.

03:22:12.000 --> 03:22:15.469
So there would be kind of a block from that left turn

03:22:15.469 --> 03:22:17.000
getting in there.

03:22:17.000 --> 03:22:20.729
And that would also prevent any left turn movements out of

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the site onto 380 as well.

03:22:23.000 --> 03:22:28.000
Perfect. Thanks for that clarification.

03:22:28.000 --> 03:22:33.000
Are there other questions for staff?

03:22:33.000 --> 03:22:38.000
Okay. The applicant is here. Would you like to speak?

03:22:38.000 --> 03:22:41.000
No.

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Are there questions for the applicant?

03:22:44.000 --> 03:22:47.000
Okay.

03:22:47.000 --> 03:22:50.950
And I did not see any cards submitted for anyone that would

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like to speak to this item.

03:22:53.000 --> 03:22:56.500
So I guess we're moving on to discussion from the

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commissioners.

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I just wanted to point out to both staff and to the

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applicant,

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I really appreciate you all pointing out where the bike

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racks were.

03:23:05.000 --> 03:23:07.469
I know I've been up here for a couple of years, Yammering,

03:23:07.469 --> 03:23:08.000
about that.

03:23:08.000 --> 03:23:11.950
And I've noticed that has come to us in other Razor Ranch

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applications

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and other applications from other applicants in the city.

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And you all are starting to like not only put in the bike

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racks proactively,

03:23:20.000 --> 03:23:23.729
but point them out. And I just wanted to thank you for that

03:23:23.729 --> 03:23:24.000
.

03:23:24.000 --> 03:23:27.649
I think it furthers our goal as a bike and pedestrian

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friendly city.

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So thank you.

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Any conversation on this?

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You're going to let me have the last word?

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Commissioner Taylor?

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I move approval of the site plan.

03:23:44.000 --> 03:23:45.000
Commissioner Dudowitz?

03:23:45.000 --> 03:23:47.000
I second the motion.

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Got a first and a second to approve this.

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Any further discussion?

03:23:53.000 --> 03:24:02.000
Okay. Then let's vote.

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That motion passes unanimously 5-0.

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Thank you. And then our next item is item 4B.

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Consider approval for a site plan within the Razor Ranch

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South Campus

03:24:15.000 --> 03:24:19.000
for a convention center and hotel on lots 11 and 12,

03:24:19.000 --> 03:24:25.000
block A of the Razor Ranch Town Center, phase one.

03:24:25.000 --> 03:24:27.000
Go ahead, Sophie. Take it away.

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This is SP158, the Razor Ranch Embassy Suites and

03:24:30.389 --> 03:24:32.000
Convention Center.

03:24:32.000 --> 03:24:34.000
The request is to consider approval of a site plan

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in the Razor Ranch South Campus for 115,860 square foot

03:24:40.000 --> 03:24:40.000
hotel

03:24:40.000 --> 03:24:43.000
and convention center on lots 11 and 12,

03:24:43.000 --> 03:24:47.000
block A of the Razor Ranch Town Center, phase one.

03:24:47.000 --> 03:24:50.000
Site is approximately 12 acre tract.

03:24:50.000 --> 03:24:54.620
It's located on the south side of US Highway 380 and 500

03:24:54.620 --> 03:24:56.000
feet east of I-35.

03:24:56.000 --> 03:25:03.000
It's located in this red outline here.

03:25:03.000 --> 03:25:05.389
Subject property is located within the Razor Ranch Overlay

03:25:05.389 --> 03:25:06.000
District.

03:25:06.000 --> 03:25:09.000
It's further located in the South RR1 Sub-District.

03:25:09.000 --> 03:25:12.739
Hotels and convention centers are both permitted in this

03:25:12.739 --> 03:25:14.000
sub-district.

03:25:14.000 --> 03:25:16.000
Again, Razor Ranch site plans.

03:25:16.000 --> 03:25:20.389
They submit a site plan, landscape plan, and building elev

03:25:20.389 --> 03:25:21.000
ations.

03:25:21.000 --> 03:25:24.000
This is the site plan for the convention center.

03:25:24.000 --> 03:25:29.350
This is oriented so that north and US 380 are towards the

03:25:29.350 --> 03:25:32.000
left side of your screen.

03:25:32.000 --> 03:25:38.000
They are at 82% lot coverage and 18% landscaped area.

03:25:38.000 --> 03:25:40.000
Just to show the footprint of the building,

03:25:40.000 --> 03:25:44.159
everything that is inside the blue, the dark blue outline,

03:25:44.159 --> 03:25:46.000
is building footprint.

03:25:46.000 --> 03:25:51.180
Anything in the yellow outline, that is the tower for the

03:25:51.180 --> 03:25:52.000
hotel.

03:25:52.000 --> 03:25:56.000
Just to show the disparity kind of between those two

03:25:56.000 --> 03:26:01.000
and how it's located and how it's sited.

03:26:01.000 --> 03:26:03.000
This is the landscape plan.

03:26:03.000 --> 03:26:07.000
11% parking lot landscaping is provided as well as 41% tree

03:26:07.000 --> 03:26:08.000
canopy.

03:26:08.000 --> 03:26:11.440
Again, there's a balanced landscape consistent with

03:26:11.440 --> 03:26:13.000
convention centers.

03:26:13.000 --> 03:26:18.000
You also have the town center located off to the left side

03:26:18.000 --> 03:26:23.659
that provides that visual corridor to the convention center

03:26:23.659 --> 03:26:24.000
.

03:26:24.000 --> 03:26:27.680
They also provided hardscape and plaza area that complies

03:26:27.680 --> 03:26:29.000
with the overlay district.

03:26:29.000 --> 03:26:33.000
They included seating area, additional plaza trees, shade

03:26:33.000 --> 03:26:36.000
with open space, bike racks, and planters.

03:26:36.000 --> 03:26:43.000
They also have an event lawn on the front of the building.

03:26:43.000 --> 03:26:46.000
These are the elevations that were provided.

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They were also provided to you during work session.

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The wrong copy was in your backup, so I just wanted to

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clarify that.

03:26:53.000 --> 03:26:56.110
This elevation is the north as you would be looking from

03:26:56.110 --> 03:26:58.000
the town center to the south.

03:26:58.000 --> 03:27:01.280
This is the entrance to the hotel and to the convention

03:27:01.280 --> 03:27:02.000
center.

03:27:02.000 --> 03:27:05.000
The tower is then on the top.

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The Hoolahands restaurant is located where my mouse is over

03:27:09.770 --> 03:27:11.000
on the left.

03:27:11.000 --> 03:27:14.000
This bottom elevation here, the south elevation,

03:27:14.000 --> 03:27:17.079
that's as you would be looking north from the other side of

03:27:17.079 --> 03:27:18.000
the property.

03:27:18.000 --> 03:27:21.000
This is a wall that's longer than 100 feet,

03:27:21.000 --> 03:27:24.100
but it's been broken up by different building materials,

03:27:24.100 --> 03:27:25.000
colors,

03:27:25.000 --> 03:27:28.229
to give a better sense of the four-sided architecture we

03:27:28.229 --> 03:27:32.000
really like to see throughout the Razor Ranch town center.

03:27:32.000 --> 03:27:37.000
And then, of course, you have the tower from the hotel.

03:27:37.000 --> 03:27:39.000
This is the east elevation.

03:27:39.000 --> 03:27:43.520
The top elevation here is as you would be looking from

03:27:43.520 --> 03:27:45.000
Heritage Trail.

03:27:45.000 --> 03:27:48.329
Again, you have changes in building materials and colors to

03:27:48.329 --> 03:27:52.000
give a more pedestrian feel along the side of the building,

03:27:52.000 --> 03:27:55.920
as well as on the west side there's windows, additional

03:27:55.920 --> 03:27:58.000
entrances to the building,

03:27:58.000 --> 03:28:04.280
and this west elevation is as you would be looking from the

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highway, I-35.

03:28:07.000 --> 03:28:11.000
Site plan does comply with the concept and schematic plan.

03:28:11.000 --> 03:28:17.120
Hotels and convention centers are permitted by this concept

03:28:17.120 --> 03:28:18.000
plan.

03:28:18.000 --> 03:28:20.719
Site plan also provides a compatible arrangement of

03:28:20.719 --> 03:28:24.110
buildings and land uses and satisfies this criteria for

03:28:24.110 --> 03:28:25.000
approval.

03:28:25.000 --> 03:28:29.909
It's interior to the overall development and is surrounded

03:28:29.909 --> 03:28:33.000
by other commercial uses.

03:28:33.000 --> 03:28:36.000
Site plan also meets the third criteria for approval.

03:28:36.000 --> 03:28:41.280
It allows for the access of pedestrians and safe vehicular

03:28:41.280 --> 03:28:44.000
traffic throughout the site.

03:28:44.000 --> 03:28:47.329
And the site plan also fully complies with all other

03:28:47.329 --> 03:28:51.000
development regulations of the overlay ordinance.

03:28:51.000 --> 03:28:54.360
Staff recommends approval of the proposed site plan as it's

03:28:54.360 --> 03:28:57.000
consistent with the Razor Ranch overlay district.

03:28:57.000 --> 03:29:00.000
And I'll stand for any questions.

03:29:00.000 --> 03:29:03.000
Any questions for staff?

03:29:03.000 --> 03:29:05.000
Okay. Thank you, Sophie.

03:29:05.000 --> 03:29:08.819
And I think I know your answer, but would the applicant

03:29:08.819 --> 03:29:11.000
like to speak to this issue?

03:29:11.000 --> 03:29:14.000
And are there any questions for the applicant?

03:29:14.000 --> 03:29:17.000
Okay. I think you're good. Thanks.

03:29:17.000 --> 03:29:21.780
Okay. So is there any conversation that we'd like to have

03:29:21.780 --> 03:29:23.000
on this item?

03:29:23.000 --> 03:29:27.000
Is there a motion to approve?

03:29:27.000 --> 03:29:29.000
Commissioner Rozelle?

03:29:29.000 --> 03:29:31.000
I motion to approve this item.

03:29:31.000 --> 03:29:32.000
And Commissioner Dudowitz?

03:29:32.000 --> 03:29:34.000
I second the motion.

03:29:34.000 --> 03:29:36.920
All right. We've got a first and a second. Is there any

03:29:36.920 --> 03:29:39.000
further conversation?

03:29:39.000 --> 03:29:50.000
Seeing none, we can vote on the board.

03:29:50.000 --> 03:29:54.000
That motion passes 5-0.

03:29:54.000 --> 03:29:58.000
So I'm looking over our agenda and we skipped around a bit,

03:29:58.000 --> 03:30:00.000
but I think we covered everything.

03:30:00.000 --> 03:30:01.000
Is that correct? Okay.

03:30:01.000 --> 03:30:05.770
So then our next item then would be 6-A, discussion of the

03:30:05.770 --> 03:30:10.000
Planning and Zoning Commission Project Matrix.

03:30:10.000 --> 03:30:12.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

03:30:12.000 --> 03:30:15.579
That item, the report in there is basically identifying

03:30:15.579 --> 03:30:19.000
items that the commission collectively wanted to be

03:30:19.000 --> 03:30:23.000
discussed with projected timelines and tentative dates.

03:30:23.000 --> 03:30:27.379
If you have any questions regarding that, we can address

03:30:27.379 --> 03:30:28.000
those.

03:30:28.000 --> 03:30:33.239
We're working diligently to try and address most of the

03:30:33.239 --> 03:30:35.000
requests made.

03:30:35.000 --> 03:30:37.000
Commissioner Taylor?

03:30:37.000 --> 03:30:39.000
Thank you, Vice Chair.

03:30:39.000 --> 03:30:42.100
I notice the third item on the list is a presentation

03:30:42.100 --> 03:30:45.610
regarding bicycle linkage component of the Denton Mobility

03:30:45.610 --> 03:30:46.000
Plan.

03:30:46.000 --> 03:30:50.000
And that's scheduled for just a few weeks from now.

03:30:50.000 --> 03:30:56.139
If it wouldn't be too much work, I would love to see a

03:30:56.139 --> 03:31:01.000
rough timeline of coming soon projects.

03:31:01.000 --> 03:31:05.520
If there's stuff that's planned in the next year or two or

03:31:05.520 --> 03:31:09.180
whatever timeline it might be, if it's one year within

03:31:09.180 --> 03:31:13.809
three years, within five years of projects related to

03:31:13.809 --> 03:31:17.000
bicycle and pedestrian facilities.

03:31:17.000 --> 03:31:20.100
We can definitely discuss that with Julie Anderson and

03:31:20.100 --> 03:31:22.000
provide you an update on that.

03:31:22.000 --> 03:31:24.479
Yeah, and I don't want to create a huge amount of work

03:31:24.479 --> 03:31:27.000
creating some kind of in-depth list and timeframe.

03:31:27.000 --> 03:31:30.139
But if there's a known that these projects are in the

03:31:30.139 --> 03:31:34.840
progress now and these are planned in the next two years or

03:31:34.840 --> 03:31:37.000
something like that.

03:31:37.000 --> 03:31:38.000
Commissioner Rossell?

03:31:38.000 --> 03:31:39.000
Thank you.

03:31:39.000 --> 03:31:41.899
I'm not sure if it should be on the matrix, but two

03:31:41.899 --> 03:31:45.409
meetings ago, three meetings ago, there was discussion

03:31:45.409 --> 03:31:49.280
about there was actually a bicycle count completed by Julie

03:31:49.280 --> 03:31:51.000
Anderson and her team.

03:31:51.000 --> 03:31:54.209
We got an update on the outcome of there's like seven

03:31:54.209 --> 03:31:57.000
locations that they did the bike count on.

03:31:57.000 --> 03:31:59.000
If we could get an update on that research.

03:31:59.000 --> 03:32:03.000
And that might be coming at this January 27th meeting.

03:32:03.000 --> 03:32:06.000
I'm not sure if that's included in the presentation.

03:32:06.000 --> 03:32:09.000
But I know there was that study done. I would just like to

03:32:09.000 --> 03:32:09.000
see the results of that.

03:32:09.000 --> 03:32:14.000
Sure.

03:32:14.000 --> 03:32:20.000
Anything else on item 6A?

03:32:20.000 --> 03:32:23.000
And with that, we went through everything.

03:32:23.000 --> 03:32:27.000
So we're about ready to go home at 925.

03:32:27.000 --> 03:32:29.000
I will close the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting.

03:32:29.000 --> 03:32:30.000
Thank you, everyone.

03:32:30.000 --> 03:32:31.000
I'm sorry.

03:32:31.000 --> 03:32:33.000
I'm sorry, Commissioner.

03:32:33.000 --> 03:32:34.000
Pardon me.

03:32:34.000 --> 03:32:35.000
I didn't see you ring in here.

03:32:35.000 --> 03:32:36.000
That's right.

03:32:36.000 --> 03:32:37.000
I didn't hit the bar.

03:32:37.000 --> 03:32:39.430
I think I saw the answer to my question about the duties

03:32:39.430 --> 03:32:42.930
and responsibility to Planning and Zoning with blighted

03:32:42.930 --> 03:32:45.000
areas is to be forthcoming.

03:32:45.000 --> 03:32:47.000
Correct.

03:32:47.000 --> 03:32:50.870
We will provide some insight and some will provide the

03:32:50.870 --> 03:32:55.100
Commission with the roles and responsibilities of the P&Z

03:32:55.100 --> 03:32:56.000
as well.

03:32:56.000 --> 03:32:57.000
Okay.

03:32:57.000 --> 03:32:58.000
Thank you.

03:32:58.000 --> 03:33:00.000
Is there anyone else that I missed?

03:33:00.000 --> 03:33:01.000
We're good.

03:33:01.000 --> 03:33:02.000
Okay. Thank you.

03:33:02.000 --> 03:33:04.000
And with that, I will close the meeting at 925.

03:33:04.000 --> 03:33:07.000
Thank you very much for staying so late.

03:33:07.000 --> 03:33:08.000
Good work, team.