WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.900 November the 18th. It's five o'clock and our meeting is du 00:00:04.900 --> 00:00:05.960 ly posted and we have a 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:09.599 quorum present and our first order of business is to 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:11.279 receive a report on our 00:00:11.279 --> 00:00:14.279 agenda items and I will turn that over to Manal for 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:16.199 presentation please. Thank 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:19.519 you Chairperson Strange. First item is the preliminary plan 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:20.440 for fireside perk 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:27.449 addition. I'm going to ask Julie Wyatt to present this. 00:00:27.449 --> 00:00:37.560 Good evening. Okay y'all may 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:40.420 remember this project it was a zoning case earlier in the 00:00:40.420 --> 00:00:42.159 year. For some of you 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:44.490 you may remember it was a zoning case earlier in the year. 00:00:44.490 --> 00:00:45.280 They've now come 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:49.000 back and their preliminary platting and then you'll see a 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:50.420 final plat. There are 00:00:50.420 --> 00:00:56.320 actually doing it in phases. Phase one and then phase two 00:00:56.320 --> 00:01:00.159 will be second so it's 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:03.320 101 lots and I'll stand for any questions if you have them. 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:04.439 It is a gated 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:09.319 community in case you are. Commissioner Beck. Thank you 00:01:09.319 --> 00:01:10.359 Chair. I just have one 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:14.019 question. How big are these houses? These lots look pretty 00:01:14.019 --> 00:01:18.439 small. It meets the density requirements. Subchapter 5 does 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:19.840 allow for 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:23.760 instead of minimum lot size requirements a density 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:26.359 requirement for the zoning 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:28.870 district and it does meet them. I'm not quite sure what the 00:01:28.870 --> 00:01:29.799 final product of the 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:33.420 houses will be but I think the intent is to have smaller 00:01:33.420 --> 00:01:34.799 lots with more open 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:37.950 space that's community-owned. They've got walking trails 00:01:37.950 --> 00:01:39.560 and more park 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:42.969 amenities and smaller lots. Has it been suggested that 00:01:42.969 --> 00:01:44.560 these might be starter 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:49.700 homes? It's actually going to be an age restricted 55 and 00:01:49.700 --> 00:01:51.519 older so I believe and 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:55.040 and I don't see the applicant here but I believe their 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:56.799 intent is to have an HOA 00:01:56.799 --> 00:02:00.400 that maintains all the open spaces for all the lot so they 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:01.840 're more of a smaller 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:09.800 lot footprint. Thank you. Sure. Any other questions on this 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:12.599 item? Thank you Julie. 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:18.800 All right thank you. Thank you Julie. The next item is the 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:19.479 preliminary 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:21.939 plat of the courts of Bonnie Bray. I'm going to ask Mike 00:02:21.939 --> 00:02:23.080 Bell, our senior planner, 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:32.530 to make this presentation. Thank you Manal. This is a 00:02:32.530 --> 00:02:36.360 preliminary plat for the 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:39.870 courts of Bonnie Bray. It's a residential subdivision. We 00:02:39.870 --> 00:02:42.280 are proposing I believe 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.280 106 residential lots kind of off South Bonnie Bray and 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:47.159 Island Park. Kind of 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:52.439 unique aspect of this plat is you'll see the future 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:56.710 excuse me expansion and realignment of Bonnie Bray here to 00:02:56.710 --> 00:02:58.000 the west side of the 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:01.310 property. They have provided access to other residential 00:03:01.310 --> 00:03:02.560 zone properties here 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:05.250 here as well as to the south and will connect to Highland 00:03:05.250 --> 00:03:06.199 Park to the north. 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:13.159 I'll stand for any questions. Commissioner Beck. On the are 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:14.599 there it says 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:18.759 there's three existing drilling and production sites. 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:22.120 Correct. Can you show me all 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:25.120 three on this map because I can only locate two and I'm 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:25.319 sure they're all up here. 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:30.729 For the ordinance requires that any gas well drilling site 00:03:30.729 --> 00:03:31.360 within a thousand feet 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:35.610 be marked on the plat. So we have one shown here. This is 00:03:35.610 --> 00:03:37.039 an existing gas well 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:40.039 pad site. We have one here that has three existing wells 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:41.240 and approval for one more 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:44.449 and then we have one pad site that's not yet been developed 00:03:44.449 --> 00:03:45.240 but it has been 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:48.900 approved as part of their gas well plat. Okay the fact that 00:03:48.900 --> 00:03:49.960 it's been approved 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:56.229 then does that got to follow the reverse setback? I believe 00:03:56.229 --> 00:03:57.199 it was approved prior 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:00.300 to the reverse setback being in place. Okay. So it follows 00:04:00.300 --> 00:04:00.960 the rules of when it 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:05.280 was the gas well plat was approved. So it can be within 250 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:08.280 or it can be at 250 feet? 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:10.800 Yeah but it's actually meeting this. If you read the 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:12.159 dimension here I can zoom 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:13.889 into it but all these are exceeding the setback 00:04:13.889 --> 00:04:15.360 requirements. They're getting 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:17.939 pretty close on this lot but they've they've kind of 00:04:17.939 --> 00:04:18.959 designed it so that no 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:22.550 houses can be designed can be built there. Thank you. I 00:04:22.550 --> 00:04:23.240 have a question. 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:26.829 Commissioner Roselle. Thank you. You mentioned that they 00:04:26.829 --> 00:04:27.720 have the new Bonnie 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:30.790 Bray cut in. It looks like that new Bonnie Bray is gonna 00:04:30.790 --> 00:04:32.279 hit that gas pad 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.629 site or is it set to move or what what happens in a 00:04:35.629 --> 00:04:38.279 conflict area like that? 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:41.279 That's a good question. Earl do you have anything to add on 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:44.920 that? It could be that 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:47.250 it was it could be that it was purchased and then maybe 00:04:47.250 --> 00:04:48.040 they're not they've 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:50.269 abandoned their plans to do that well but it is showing up 00:04:50.269 --> 00:04:51.040 on their gas well 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:55.079 plat and so we made them reflected on on this plat. That's 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:57.519 correct. That would have 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:00.389 been handled during the right away acquisition process and 00:05:00.389 --> 00:05:01.199 I'm sure I don't 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:04.279 know the legalities of what's involved and when they 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:05.879 purchased the right away 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:09.189 with a gas well plot being approved. There's no gas wells 00:05:09.189 --> 00:05:10.720 located on it. Okay. 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:14.029 So potentially there wouldn't be an issue with like capping 00:05:14.029 --> 00:05:15.160 out a gas well or 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:17.899 anything like that. There's no gas well facilities on this 00:05:17.899 --> 00:05:18.439 on that pad side. 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:28.269 Thank you. Any other questions on this item? Thank you Mike 00:05:28.269 --> 00:05:29.720 . Mike would you go 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:33.800 ahead and dive into the next preliminary plat for Villa Cad 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:34.680 ena edition please. 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:38.360 This is the preliminary plat Villa Cadena edition. This is 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:39.439 as part of the 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:43.660 McKinney-Dinton Apartments the SUP you saw just a bit ago. 00:05:43.660 --> 00:05:45.319 This reflects their 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:48.149 act their two access points onto McKinney and their 00:05:48.149 --> 00:05:49.720 internal drive that 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:52.120 matches their site plan that you reviewed several weeks ago 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:53.759 . Well, stand for any 00:05:53.759 --> 00:06:05.240 questions if you have any. Thank you Mike. Thank you. 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:07.399 Seeing none I just wanted to 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.899 make the Commission aware of a calendar the Planning and Z 00:06:10.899 --> 00:06:11.600 oning Commission 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:15.029 calendar for next year. It's for attach for your review and 00:06:15.029 --> 00:06:16.360 consideration at 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:19.439 regular meeting. Additionally when we look at our public 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:21.199 hearing items, items A, B, 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:28.839 C have been withdrawn by the applicant and that being said 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:29.439 we do have a 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:33.420 final replant for Calhoun edition and I'm sorry Mike you 00:06:33.420 --> 00:06:35.199 shouldn't have if Mike 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:38.959 could go ahead and present that for us too. 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:42.040 Since these have been withdrawn we're not doing any 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:42.959 continuation. 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:48.279 This will be FR 1516 it's the Calhoun edition. This is kind 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:49.519 of a mouthful but it is a 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:52.519 replant of three separate subdivisions the Mount second 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:53.879 edition, high school 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:56.569 edition, the Calhoun middle school edition and then a piece 00:06:56.569 --> 00:06:57.240 of unplatted 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:02.670 property that's shown in the deed records. Texas local 00:07:02.670 --> 00:07:03.759 government code 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:06.009 requires that any public hearing or that public hearing be 00:07:06.009 --> 00:07:06.839 held for a replant 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:09.839 that's why we're here instead of on consent agenda. Also 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:11.199 this qualifies as a 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.779 residential replant because the zoning limits the property 00:07:14.779 --> 00:07:15.839 to no more than two 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:18.990 units per lot or duplexes so that's why we sent written 00:07:18.990 --> 00:07:19.920 notice to property 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:24.920 owners within the original subdivision and within 200 feet. 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:27.360 The site is shown 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:30.800 here in yellow. It's near the Pecan neighborhood there's 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:31.639 Carol here so it's 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:35.040 further to the east. This is Calhoun middle school right 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:36.120 here. These are the 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:39.439 Calhoun middle school tennis courts. They're included 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:43.319 within the plat. Give you 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:45.600 kind of a representation of where these plats are included. 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:46.560 The red is the high 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.290 school edition. It's kind of orange is the Calhoun middle 00:07:49.290 --> 00:07:51.160 school edition. The purple 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:54.839 is Mount second and then the small 30 foot strip of unpl 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:56.639 atted land and we'll 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:58.490 see this is really the reason why this plat is happening 00:07:58.490 --> 00:07:59.199 but I'll get into that 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:04.399 here in a minute. They're kind of it's kind of threefold 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:05.480 why we're here. One is 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:08.899 to subdivide that 30 foot strip shown here between the abut 00:08:08.899 --> 00:08:09.720 ting property 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:17.990 owners. Two is to convey and subdivide a part of the Calh 00:08:17.990 --> 00:08:18.519 oun middle school 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:22.720 addition to the property owners abutting to the north and 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:24.959 south and Lashley is to 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:27.509 establish new legal boundaries for the three lots on 00:08:27.509 --> 00:08:28.839 Anderson Street that are 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:34.299 included in the plat. This is the zoomed in on a proposed 00:08:34.299 --> 00:08:35.440 plat. It's got a lot 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:37.519 stuff going on so I'll kind of walk you through it very 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:39.480 quickly. Here's that 30 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:43.059 foot strip of unplatted land. Part of this is right away 00:08:43.059 --> 00:08:44.200 dedication because it was 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:46.009 never officially dedicated. They're doing that at this 00:08:46.009 --> 00:08:47.799 point. The reason we're here 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:50.129 is this property owner came in for a building permit. His 00:08:50.129 --> 00:08:50.919 fence line is 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:53.779 actually shown here. It's been developed that way for 00:08:53.779 --> 00:08:55.200 decades. Came in for a 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:57.440 permit for a driveway. We discovered that his plat didn't 00:08:57.440 --> 00:08:58.240 match what his deed 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:01.440 showed and actually further investigation showed that Dent 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:01.759 on ISD 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:04.759 actually owned the strip of land. So we have a meeting with 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:06.840 Denton ISD and the 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:09.559 three property owners to the south. We all got together and 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:10.279 Denton ISD said 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:13.799 they didn't want it. They were willing to convey it over so 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:14.039 we had to 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:18.480 do the replat. Additionally they had a - I'm sorry let me 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:19.720 back up. So this is where 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:22.259 they agreed to divide it. Pretty much following the fence 00:09:22.259 --> 00:09:24.120 line. The north 20 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:27.649 feet goes to the property owner on Amarillo Street and be 00:09:27.649 --> 00:09:29.159 subdivided kind of 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:35.129 like this for the property owners to the south. Next the IS 00:09:35.129 --> 00:09:36.360 D had a portion within 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:39.399 the Calhoun Middle School addition and also 30 feet but 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:40.360 they didn't want any 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:43.360 more either. So we met with the property owner to the north 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:44.519 . The property owner to the 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:47.830 south said do you want it? They said yes we do. So Denton 00:09:47.830 --> 00:09:48.840 ISD has agreed to 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:51.440 divide that evenly. This reflects the alignment that 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:53.440 everybody agreed upon. And 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:58.129 then lastly the third purpose is according to the plat for 00:09:58.129 --> 00:09:59.080 the Mounts 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.860 addition approved back in the 19 teens the property lines 00:10:01.860 --> 00:10:02.840 are actually kind of 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:06.519 here where this blue is and they've been built and sold 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:08.600 over time into three lots 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:11.460 and so now we're just correcting that and we'll move the 00:10:11.460 --> 00:10:12.279 property lines to 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:16.250 where they're currently reflected in the deeds. Final 00:10:16.250 --> 00:10:18.840 product looks something like 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:21.700 this here. This will be the property lines. Reflects 00:10:21.700 --> 00:10:22.799 current development. 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:25.799 This reflects the agreement everybody had with the ISD and 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:28.399 adjacent property owners. 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:30.500 Because it meets all the requirements we will be 00:10:30.500 --> 00:10:32.080 recommending approval. I'll 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:37.600 stand for any questions. Commissioner Beck. Just one 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:40.399 question it says the ISD 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:43.399 agreed to convey the disputed property so they're just 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:44.399 giving it to them. 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:46.980 They're selling it to the price to file the deed I think is 00:10:46.980 --> 00:10:48.440 five dollars. Five 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:55.480 dollars? Okay. Thank you. Thank you Mike. Commissioner Br 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:57.120 ito hold on just a second. Thanks Chair. 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:58.990 No I really honestly it's just a comment more than a 00:10:58.990 --> 00:11:00.320 question. I was having such 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:03.080 a hard time trying to figure out what this case was about 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:03.879 so thank you for 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.559 this excellent staff presentation. It was curious. Thank 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.720 you. This is one of the more complex plans. 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:22.000 Anybody else? Thank you Mike. Thank you. Commissioners if 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.480 you recall we had a work 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:27.490 session to discuss amending the Denton Development Code to 00:11:27.490 --> 00:11:28.559 add assembly halls, 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:32.759 clubs and lodges as a list of zoning uses within our Denton 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:34.279 Development Code. If I 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:37.500 can ask Julie Wyatt to just give you a brief a briefing on 00:11:37.500 --> 00:11:38.720 that just to refresh 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:43.279 your jogging memories. All right so the request before you 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:44.120 tonight is to consider 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:47.120 making a recommendation to City Council regarding an 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:48.159 amendment to the Denton 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:51.740 Development Code for the assembly halls, clubs and lodges 00:11:51.740 --> 00:11:53.080 to add that to the list 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:57.179 of permitted of uses in subchapter 5 and then also revise 00:11:57.179 --> 00:11:58.120 the definition for 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.440 semi-public halls, clubs and lodges. Just a bit of 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:04.039 background if you recall in the 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:06.409 over the last year or so staff has been approached by 00:12:06.409 --> 00:12:07.480 several individuals 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.639 developers to develop facilities to accommodate private 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:12.960 functions in more 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:18.519 rural or non-commercial type areas. This type of use could 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:19.919 include private events 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:23.179 such as weddings, banquets, meetings. The activities 00:12:23.179 --> 00:12:24.600 associated with the use 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:29.450 typically involve catering, alcohol sales and for on-site 00:12:29.450 --> 00:12:30.440 consumption and then and 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:32.990 typically they're live or recorded entertainment of some 00:12:32.990 --> 00:12:34.240 type. The Denton 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:36.649 Development Code does not have a use that accurately 00:12:36.649 --> 00:12:37.480 describes these 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:43.379 activities. So in our previous discussion about it we've we 00:12:43.379 --> 00:12:45.320 talked about revising 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:48.320 and existing use and that use the semi-public halls, clubs 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:50.039 and lodges. This 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:53.720 use includes all of those activities that are associated 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:54.879 with the typical 00:12:54.879 --> 00:13:00.870 assembly hall but but this use limits it only to nonprofits 00:13:00.870 --> 00:13:02.440 . So staff is 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:05.919 recommending that we remove that nonprofit portion of it 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:07.639 and retain and 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.840 also and rename the use to assembly halls, clubs and lodges 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:13.200 and just keep the 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.580 structure facility owned or operated for special education, 00:13:16.580 --> 00:13:17.519 educational or 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:20.519 recreational purposes. This will encompass all of those 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:22.559 activities but it will 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.799 broaden who can take take advantage of this use not only 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:27.759 not for profits but 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:32.679 for-profit entities as well. We're also recommending that 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:34.360 the use be treated in 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:37.409 the same manner as the existing semi-public halls, clubs 00:13:37.409 --> 00:13:38.759 and lodges. So 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:42.139 for instance in our rural districts it would be not 00:13:42.139 --> 00:13:43.879 permitted in RD5 but 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:48.440 permitted in rural commercials. It would be permitted in NR 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:50.120 1 through NR6 with an 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:55.519 SUP, NRMU 12 with a limitation and then NRMU it would be 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:56.320 permitted by right. 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:01.320 Staff feels that this retaining this specific use permit 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:02.440 requirement is very 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:06.009 important in the residential areas. It allows additional 00:14:06.009 --> 00:14:07.519 scrutiny for the use so 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:11.629 if they if someone wanted to come develop an assembly hall 00:14:11.629 --> 00:14:12.639 club or lodge 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:17.620 within more of a residential area or a rural well low or 00:14:17.620 --> 00:14:19.360 high or low density 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:23.399 residential they would have to submit for a specific use 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:25.039 permit and that use 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:28.039 would staff would review it we would follow the zoning 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:29.120 procedure so it would 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:31.679 come to you for a recommendation and then it would go to 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:32.559 City Council for 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:35.720 approval and it would allow us to look at the intensity 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:36.639 that they want to use 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:40.320 the property for the scale of any buildings architecture 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:41.240 landscaping 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:44.269 lighting any of those uses or any of those activities or 00:14:44.269 --> 00:14:45.379 development of the 00:14:45.379 --> 00:14:49.840 property that could potentially create a nuisance for 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:51.480 adjacent property owners are 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:54.570 not being keeping with the with the land use pattern so it 00:14:54.570 --> 00:14:55.799 would allow us to give 00:14:55.799 --> 00:15:00.649 a little more scrutiny to that use. Downtown would be 00:15:00.649 --> 00:15:02.799 permitted by right and 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:06.000 community mixed use would be permitted by right. Regional 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:07.440 mixed use permitted and 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:10.669 employment centers and industrial would be permitted. So 00:15:10.669 --> 00:15:12.559 based upon our 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:15.210 discussions and staff analysis we do recommend approval of 00:15:15.210 --> 00:15:15.679 this code 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:19.519 amendment and I'll stand for any questions. 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:27.000 Thank you Julie. 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:37.080 The last item on our work session is to discuss the City of 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:40.559 Denton's mobility 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:46.139 plan I'm going to ask PS to come forward and update the 00:15:46.139 --> 00:15:47.879 Commission. 00:15:51.480 --> 00:16:13.039 Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:46.159 Okay we had covered a lot of items already and last week on 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:47.000 Friday, Wednesday 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:50.370 in the special call meeting I had we had gone through and 00:16:50.370 --> 00:16:51.279 looked at some other 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:56.730 items there are some questions that came up after the 00:16:56.730 --> 00:16:59.320 meeting from Mr. Bentley and 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:03.570 I had responded to them there are three items I wanted to 00:17:03.570 --> 00:17:05.160 talk about so we are 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:09.329 ready for days in the public hearing later on. The first 00:17:09.329 --> 00:17:10.480 one is the post-doc 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:15.390 option and second will be the Collins Rainier Road 00:17:15.390 --> 00:17:17.539 extension and what I have 00:17:17.539 --> 00:17:21.839 given you is a code order which I found it you know it was 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:23.240 ten years back and 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:26.240 I'll go through that in a minute and then the last one was 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:27.160 the Golden Circle 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:31.079 Cooper Creek Road extension which is in the north part 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:33.680 north of loop 288 in that 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:44.240 part of the city. So I'll go through all of them quickly. 00:17:47.539 --> 00:18:13.880 Are we able to see it properly? Okay. 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:18.799 So on post-doc road in the last week's discussion on 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:21.380 Wednesday we agreed that 00:18:21.380 --> 00:18:24.650 we were going to go and use the option A which is what I 00:18:24.650 --> 00:18:26.380 have in my write-up as 00:18:26.380 --> 00:18:29.529 part of the recommendation because this goes in a green 00:18:29.529 --> 00:18:31.119 field right now there is 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:34.430 some development here and we will not be cutting through 00:18:34.430 --> 00:18:36.420 that. We will not be 00:18:36.420 --> 00:18:41.730 using you know this option that is shown right here. So 00:18:41.730 --> 00:18:44.680 that's the post-doc. The 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:48.819 second one is the issue. 00:18:50.799 --> 00:19:05.900 And larger a little more so we I can see it a little better 00:19:05.900 --> 00:19:08.900 . Yeah. Okay. 00:19:08.900 --> 00:19:13.880 What you have in front of you is the code order that 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:15.859 basically city of Den 00:19:15.859 --> 00:19:23.500 Den County agreed on closing off this crossing on Collins. 00:19:23.500 --> 00:19:25.579 That was done so 00:19:25.579 --> 00:19:29.940 that city could get a crossing in the southern part that's 00:19:29.940 --> 00:19:31.259 how they work and 00:19:31.259 --> 00:19:34.420 there's a lot more back and forth that happened at that 00:19:34.420 --> 00:19:36.180 time. There was issues 00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:40.500 of annexation and I don't believe city agreed to not annex 00:19:40.500 --> 00:19:41.940 the property sometime 00:19:41.940 --> 00:19:46.789 in the future but it's been ten years since that was agreed 00:19:46.789 --> 00:19:47.980 on in the 00:19:47.980 --> 00:19:50.980 Commissioner's Court. It used to be in the county and it 00:19:50.980 --> 00:19:52.019 still is in the county 00:19:52.019 --> 00:19:56.009 since it is not annexed. So what we have done is we took 00:19:56.009 --> 00:19:58.099 away that extension of 00:19:58.099 --> 00:20:04.569 Lakeview going north this way and also we took away this 00:20:04.569 --> 00:20:05.940 Laney Road that was 00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:09.230 going to come back and tie in here into Collins. So Collins 00:20:09.230 --> 00:20:10.880 stays as it is no 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:17.670 change in the way it is right now. So that takes care of 00:20:17.670 --> 00:20:19.460 that comment we got 00:20:19.460 --> 00:20:23.690 from Mr. Bentley and we have actually supporting document 00:20:23.690 --> 00:20:24.779 to show that yes 00:20:24.779 --> 00:20:28.819 that is correct. During when we were doing this the team as 00:20:28.819 --> 00:20:29.480 well as it goes 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:32.660 around it went in the city hall and people looked at it 00:20:32.660 --> 00:20:34.099 sometimes you say it 00:20:34.099 --> 00:20:37.759 you still don't see it. So it kind of came you know this 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:40.019 far out but thanks for 00:20:40.019 --> 00:20:43.690 pointing it out and I did some research and we were very 00:20:43.690 --> 00:20:44.819 quickly were able to 00:20:44.819 --> 00:20:51.019 find it surprisingly. And then the last item that we had 00:20:51.019 --> 00:20:52.420 was on this golden 00:20:52.420 --> 00:20:56.650 circle and Cooper Creek Road. Yes it any extensions we do 00:20:56.650 --> 00:20:57.940 in the city anywhere we 00:20:57.940 --> 00:21:02.789 do it's going to go through a property. It can be a you 00:21:02.789 --> 00:21:04.900 know very large tract of 00:21:04.900 --> 00:21:08.829 land or it can be lots of small parcels of land but it will 00:21:08.829 --> 00:21:10.059 go through some 00:21:10.059 --> 00:21:16.410 property. This as we know you know is a very long-term 00:21:16.410 --> 00:21:18.259 connection right here it 00:21:18.259 --> 00:21:22.720 could be 20 years or 30 years before this happens. Things 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:23.779 change during that 00:21:23.779 --> 00:21:27.829 time things change in the families at that time. We have 00:21:27.829 --> 00:21:29.500 seen properties that 00:21:29.500 --> 00:21:35.390 you know we purchased for our you know wastewater use which 00:21:35.390 --> 00:21:36.539 was in the country 00:21:36.539 --> 00:21:39.759 club road that went through you for the SUP and it was all 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:40.819 in the family the 00:21:40.819 --> 00:21:44.400 families all over the country right now and we had to kind 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:45.539 of get everybody 00:21:45.539 --> 00:21:50.019 together to buy that out. Who knows what will happen here 00:21:50.019 --> 00:21:52.539 in the future. So as 00:21:52.539 --> 00:21:56.180 part of the master plan we need to kind of account for 00:21:56.180 --> 00:21:57.660 based on the land use 00:21:57.660 --> 00:22:01.420 what is projected based on the land use based on the model 00:22:01.420 --> 00:22:03.420 that we did. We do 00:22:03.420 --> 00:22:08.880 have you know only we have 6,000 trips on Cooper Creek Road 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:10.900 that we show. On this 00:22:10.900 --> 00:22:15.119 road majority of the trips are generated based on the land 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:16.140 use the development 00:22:16.140 --> 00:22:20.420 that will happen here about a thousand trips. Do we need to 00:22:20.420 --> 00:22:21.700 absolutely show it? I 00:22:21.700 --> 00:22:25.519 can take it off if that is the Commissioner's direction you 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:26.500 know to move 00:22:26.500 --> 00:22:30.559 this out we can take it out. Whenever they come in at that 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:31.859 time you know they 00:22:31.859 --> 00:22:33.720 will need a collector road at that time whenever they 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:35.660 develop the property. It's 00:22:35.660 --> 00:22:40.180 going to happen. So it's either way it's your call on that 00:22:40.180 --> 00:22:41.220 one and since only we 00:22:41.220 --> 00:22:43.950 show about a thousand trips on this right now which can be 00:22:43.950 --> 00:22:44.819 accommodated on 00:22:44.819 --> 00:22:48.420 Hartley Field Road or it can be accommodated on Cooper 00:22:48.420 --> 00:22:50.220 Creek Road. But 00:22:50.220 --> 00:22:53.220 whenever they develop they will need a collector within the 00:22:53.220 --> 00:22:54.019 property at that 00:22:54.019 --> 00:23:00.339 time. Yes I have a quick question for the benefit of the 00:23:00.339 --> 00:23:01.660 Commissioners as well as 00:23:01.660 --> 00:23:06.289 the audience. The exhibit that you're showing us isn't not 00:23:06.289 --> 00:23:07.579 reflected in the 00:23:07.579 --> 00:23:10.579 packet correct? Yes I need to clarify that. Right so that 00:23:10.579 --> 00:23:11.980 when we get to the 00:23:11.980 --> 00:23:14.579 point of recommendation the Commission is clear on what. 00:23:14.579 --> 00:23:15.380 Right what I'm going to 00:23:15.380 --> 00:23:19.430 show what you have in the packet calls this and it was my 00:23:19.430 --> 00:23:20.660 fault. I was doing 00:23:20.660 --> 00:23:23.829 this at probably 10 o'clock in the night on Thursday had to 00:23:23.829 --> 00:23:24.579 be out by Friday 00:23:24.579 --> 00:23:27.490 morning and I made it option A and B instead of calling it 00:23:27.490 --> 00:23:28.299 option two and 00:23:28.299 --> 00:23:33.009 three. So it reflects A and B matching to the AIS that you 00:23:33.009 --> 00:23:35.180 have in your packet 00:23:35.180 --> 00:23:39.529 and then it does not have this Collins connection. I mean 00:23:39.529 --> 00:23:40.940 what we have shows the 00:23:40.940 --> 00:23:44.859 Collins connection and this one doesn't because we found 00:23:44.859 --> 00:23:48.420 that just like in a 00:23:48.420 --> 00:23:51.980 matter of I think it was yesterday I was working on it 00:23:51.980 --> 00:23:54.339 finally got that actually 00:23:54.339 --> 00:23:58.900 that's when I got the information on it. So when we 00:23:58.900 --> 00:24:01.019 actually vote it will be 00:24:01.019 --> 00:24:07.700 based on this map that shows everything correctly which I 00:24:07.700 --> 00:24:08.339 'll be presenting in 00:24:08.339 --> 00:24:12.000 the public hearing later on. So if there any questions I'll 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:12.859 be happy to answer. 00:24:12.859 --> 00:24:16.000 Commissioner Bruegel. Thank you Chair. So PS just to be 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:17.700 clear then option one is 00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:21.440 not an option. When we're looking at this tonight and 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:21.779 making a 00:24:21.779 --> 00:24:27.019 motion option one is off the table. That's fantastic thank 00:24:27.019 --> 00:24:28.700 you. And so 00:24:28.700 --> 00:24:32.339 then where option A and B eventually kind of go west and 00:24:32.339 --> 00:24:33.900 then north again. Can 00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:35.859 you kind of zoom up on the north side of that I kind of 00:24:35.859 --> 00:24:36.819 want to see where that 00:24:36.819 --> 00:24:43.180 road goes. I'm curious if it will affect any future plans. 00:24:43.180 --> 00:24:44.420 Go north please. 00:24:44.420 --> 00:24:48.740 Oh north I'm sorry. More? I just want to kind of keep yeah 00:24:48.740 --> 00:24:50.099 so north I just want to 00:24:50.099 --> 00:24:52.049 see where it connects and I was just wondering if it is 00:24:52.049 --> 00:24:52.819 going to interfere 00:24:52.819 --> 00:24:55.829 with any future plans for the expansion of Clear Creek. I 00:24:55.829 --> 00:24:58.299 think don't they have 00:24:58.299 --> 00:25:00.480 plans for expanding their facility at some point in the 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:01.460 future. The plant itself? 00:25:01.460 --> 00:25:07.140 The plant sits right here. We own this property this sits 00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:07.740 right here in this 00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:11.289 area. And so the one that's further west isn't going to 00:25:11.289 --> 00:25:12.299 interfere with any future 00:25:12.299 --> 00:25:16.819 plans that they have to expand Clear Creek? No this one. 00:25:16.819 --> 00:25:17.660 Okay. This is way 00:25:17.660 --> 00:25:23.259 outside and we are and we own this property kind of in this 00:25:23.259 --> 00:25:23.980 area right here. 00:25:23.980 --> 00:25:29.579 That's about 206 acres roughly. Okay thank you. And then 00:25:29.579 --> 00:25:30.819 can you go down last 00:25:30.819 --> 00:25:34.480 week we were talking about the the name of the road escapes 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:35.380 me but it was on the 00:25:35.380 --> 00:25:37.970 south side we're looking at trying to build a bridge over 00:25:37.970 --> 00:25:38.859 and we were 00:25:38.859 --> 00:25:42.779 determining is that what it was? The Hickory Creek Road 00:25:42.779 --> 00:25:44.700 connection arterial 00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:50.299 right here. Yeah. 00:25:56.099 --> 00:26:01.420 So that is included as an option? Yes it is. This evening. 00:26:01.420 --> 00:26:03.140 Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah 00:26:03.140 --> 00:26:08.130 that's the one. Thank you. I was wondering what happened to 00:26:08.130 --> 00:26:10.099 my option. Yeah this is this is part of the 00:26:10.099 --> 00:26:16.059 recommendation. In fact if I show you the PowerPoint right 00:26:16.059 --> 00:26:18.339 here. 00:26:21.619 --> 00:26:31.410 Recommendation says that to approve the make recommendation 00:26:31.410 --> 00:26:34.420 to approve the travel 00:26:34.420 --> 00:26:38.970 demand model which was the basis of all of the update we 00:26:38.970 --> 00:26:41.220 did and update the 00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:44.049 mobility plan with option A for post-hoc road and the 00:26:44.049 --> 00:26:45.019 addition of the Hickory Creek 00:26:45.019 --> 00:26:51.380 arterial option. Thank you. 00:26:52.619 --> 00:26:59.650 Commissioner Dudowitz. Yes. Yes I read the your responses. 00:26:59.650 --> 00:27:03.339 Yes. To citizen Bentley's 00:27:03.339 --> 00:27:08.579 remarks and concerns. I see where you've laid you suggested 00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:10.500 that the consultants 00:27:10.500 --> 00:27:13.529 used an incorrect layer the map has been corrected and 00:27:13.529 --> 00:27:14.819 there were a number of 00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:18.339 other corrections made. My concern is are there any other 00:27:18.339 --> 00:27:19.779 errors that we have not 00:27:19.779 --> 00:27:26.359 been really looked at hard and how would that affect this 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:28.619 plan? Are there any 00:27:28.619 --> 00:27:31.859 other errors or have you now reviewed everything? We try to 00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:32.859 . It's still a 00:27:32.859 --> 00:27:38.279 master plan and master plans are master plans. They over 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:41.660 time as work is done we 00:27:41.660 --> 00:27:45.190 find things and then we come back and correct them. Just to 00:27:45.190 --> 00:27:46.140 give you example on 00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:50.500 the wastewater master plan we started that in 2008 and we 00:27:50.500 --> 00:27:51.779 still continue to 00:27:51.779 --> 00:27:55.450 find things that we keep going back and correcting it. So 00:27:55.450 --> 00:27:57.180 this is still a 00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:59.900 representation you know what you have is a representation. 00:27:59.900 --> 00:28:01.099 It is not a design. 00:28:01.099 --> 00:28:06.380 Whenever we get to that you get the final street on in the 00:28:06.380 --> 00:28:06.700 road at 00:28:06.700 --> 00:28:09.700 that time. I guess my concern still is that it takes a 00:28:09.700 --> 00:28:11.259 citizen to find these 00:28:11.259 --> 00:28:14.119 errors that we have professionals that and consultants that 00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:14.980 we pay good money 00:28:14.980 --> 00:28:18.640 to to do it the job right. Yeah these days there's so many 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:20.220 layers that they work with. 00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:25.230 It happens that they can miss turning on a layer or turning 00:28:25.230 --> 00:28:27.019 off a layer like on 00:28:27.019 --> 00:28:30.940 the ETJ area. They had not turned off the ETJ part so it 00:28:30.940 --> 00:28:32.019 showed as a part of the 00:28:32.019 --> 00:28:36.220 city. So that was you know in the map that I have now it 00:28:36.220 --> 00:28:38.740 shows as in an ETJ 00:28:38.740 --> 00:28:41.740 area it's not in the not in the city limits. So that was 00:28:41.740 --> 00:28:42.380 corrected. 00:28:42.380 --> 00:28:46.339 Hartley Field Road the label was moved to the existing road 00:28:46.339 --> 00:28:48.299 and not in so the 00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:51.619 proposed road is still a continuation of that. That's minor 00:28:51.619 --> 00:28:53.700 stuff. So most of this 00:28:53.700 --> 00:28:56.119 and any other corrections are minor in the sense that it 00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:57.660 should not impact us 00:28:57.660 --> 00:28:59.809 in the next five years until we look at it again? 00:28:59.809 --> 00:29:05.019 Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you. 00:29:08.140 --> 00:29:22.220 Any other questions? Thank you. Sure. Commissioner Rossell. 00:29:22.220 --> 00:29:24.059 On item four, items 00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:27.059 for individual consideration, what's the process? Do we 00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:28.180 vote on a calendar? Is 00:29:28.180 --> 00:29:31.180 that for feedback? Can you walk me through as a new 00:29:31.180 --> 00:29:32.140 individual how the 00:29:32.140 --> 00:29:36.269 calendar gets developed and what are we considering or what 00:29:36.269 --> 00:29:37.099 does the individual 00:29:37.099 --> 00:29:41.359 consideration mean to Commissioner? So this calendar 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:43.500 determines the schedule 00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:47.279 for next year's PNC meetings and it is an opportunity for 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:47.819 the PNC 00:29:47.819 --> 00:29:49.990 commissioners to review the calendar if they're comfortable 00:29:49.990 --> 00:29:50.740 with it should they 00:29:50.740 --> 00:29:52.950 have questions related to dates if they want to change any 00:29:52.950 --> 00:29:53.579 dates that are 00:29:53.579 --> 00:29:56.440 glaring at them right now you have the opportunity to do 00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:57.980 that and then the 00:29:57.980 --> 00:30:01.619 agenda gets approved so that we can post it on the website 00:30:01.619 --> 00:30:02.819 and do our dates 00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:05.299 accordingly as it relates to notification requirements and 00:30:05.299 --> 00:30:05.940 publications. 00:30:05.940 --> 00:30:11.180 Correct me if I'm wrong this 2015 we had PNC on the first 00:30:11.180 --> 00:30:12.779 Wednesday and third 00:30:12.779 --> 00:30:16.460 Wednesday generally? Generally there was some disconnects 00:30:16.460 --> 00:30:18.180 with that calendar 00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:20.690 however it is supposed to be the second and fourth. It's 00:30:20.690 --> 00:30:21.259 supposed to be the 00:30:21.259 --> 00:30:23.299 second and fourth? Yes. Okay that's I saw a discrepancy. 00:30:23.299 --> 00:30:24.859 Yes absolutely right. Okay 00:30:24.859 --> 00:30:30.269 thank you for the clarification. On that subject the only 00:30:30.269 --> 00:30:31.539 date that I saw that 00:30:31.539 --> 00:30:34.819 might be a concern I think there's a meeting on the 00:30:34.819 --> 00:30:36.099 Wednesday before 00:30:36.099 --> 00:30:43.460 Thanksgiving. I remember right. Correct and this is the 00:30:43.460 --> 00:30:44.920 opportunity to we can 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.289 cancel the meeting or we can schedule something before 00:30:48.289 --> 00:30:49.980 prior to or move it to 00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:52.980 the 30th because we're not meeting the first week of 00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:55.700 December so that yes we 00:30:55.700 --> 00:30:59.740 can do that then we miss out on we miss out on our 00:30:59.740 --> 00:31:00.900 Thanksgiving party then I 00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:06.900 guess. Right. No turkey sandwiches before. Correct. Is 00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:07.900 everybody okay with that 00:31:07.900 --> 00:31:15.539 change? Just to clarify. Instead of the November 23rd we're 00:31:15.539 --> 00:31:16.420 going to move it to 00:31:16.420 --> 00:31:21.609 November the 30th. And are we would we really be meeting on 00:31:21.609 --> 00:31:24.339 December 28th? 00:31:24.339 --> 00:31:32.630 Why not? I can count ten good reasons. Because don't I mean 00:31:32.630 --> 00:31:33.660 don't normally we 00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:37.180 take like the last half of December. It's my understanding 00:31:37.180 --> 00:31:38.019 that in the past 00:31:38.019 --> 00:31:41.299 then that's how it has been done however if you look at the 00:31:41.299 --> 00:31:42.259 calendar and you look 00:31:42.259 --> 00:31:44.480 at the dates and the fact that we have to do our 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:46.059 notifications in order and not 00:31:46.059 --> 00:31:49.660 have any disconnects with that I made the call to reflect 00:31:49.660 --> 00:31:50.740 that date there it is 00:31:50.740 --> 00:31:54.329 the choice of the Commission to either decide not to have 00:31:54.329 --> 00:31:55.539 that meeting or to 00:31:55.539 --> 00:32:00.390 change the date. It is the 28th which is quite a few days 00:32:00.390 --> 00:32:02.539 ahead of everything the 00:32:02.539 --> 00:32:11.579 festivities. Okay. You want to remove it? It's hard to see 00:32:11.579 --> 00:32:13.180 a year in advance but 00:32:13.180 --> 00:32:16.009 typically kids are out of school and it's pretty good 00:32:16.009 --> 00:32:17.220 vacation time. That's what 00:32:17.220 --> 00:32:21.380 I'm thinking. So I may not be here for that one but it's a 00:32:21.380 --> 00:32:22.859 year it's a year out. 00:32:22.859 --> 00:32:28.259 Y'all have fun. What's a vacation? So we're gonna leave it? 00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:31.259 To that point if we 00:32:31.259 --> 00:32:34.569 don't cancel it now at any point can we bring it under the 00:32:34.569 --> 00:32:35.619 agenda to reconsider 00:32:35.619 --> 00:32:39.140 or could it be like it just when we get to the 27th Jim 00:32:39.140 --> 00:32:40.099 just sends out an email 00:32:40.099 --> 00:32:43.509 saying. We're not meeting. No because we have to what if we 00:32:43.509 --> 00:32:44.500 have applicants who 00:32:44.500 --> 00:32:47.380 want to be scheduled on that meeting for public hearing so 00:32:47.380 --> 00:32:48.420 I would recommend or 00:32:48.420 --> 00:32:52.769 advise that we either I would like to meet that date either 00:32:52.769 --> 00:32:54.059 ahead or after I'm 00:32:54.059 --> 00:32:59.460 sorry Jennifer. I was just gonna suggest you take it off. 00:32:59.460 --> 00:33:03.819 Maybe Manal could explain 00:33:03.819 --> 00:33:06.819 you mentioned maybe the importance of it what was the 00:33:06.819 --> 00:33:08.619 justification? If we keep 00:33:08.619 --> 00:33:11.619 this on and you adopt this schedule you approve this 00:33:11.619 --> 00:33:13.859 schedule then applicants 00:33:13.859 --> 00:33:17.390 developers homeowners whoever is involved in a public 00:33:17.390 --> 00:33:18.180 hearing process 00:33:18.180 --> 00:33:21.279 will be tied to these dates so they will be if we have a 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:22.259 notification 00:33:22.259 --> 00:33:24.839 requirement and they see this date scheduled then we would 00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:25.539 have to have this 00:33:25.539 --> 00:33:27.480 but prior to that you said looking at the dates and for 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:28.259 consideration was 00:33:28.259 --> 00:33:31.849 there the thing sorry the thing you first said about this 00:33:31.849 --> 00:33:32.500 right so we have 00:33:32.500 --> 00:33:35.500 when we create our schedule for the PNZ and City Council 00:33:35.500 --> 00:33:36.700 meetings we also have 00:33:36.700 --> 00:33:39.700 to take into consideration our public hearing notices that 00:33:39.700 --> 00:33:40.299 have to go on 00:33:40.299 --> 00:33:43.859 because there's a process for those two for public hearing 00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:44.819 notices we have to 00:33:44.819 --> 00:33:47.930 publish within the newspaper 17 days in advance we also 00:33:47.930 --> 00:33:48.779 have to send out 00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:51.940 property owner notices 12 days in advance of the meeting 00:33:51.940 --> 00:33:52.980 published meeting 00:33:52.980 --> 00:33:57.039 so either we change the date or you eliminate the meeting 00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:58.140 tonight. Sorry 00:33:58.140 --> 00:34:01.549 Commissioner. I think we eliminated Commissioner Detilas. 00:34:01.549 --> 00:34:02.740 Two questions or 00:34:02.740 --> 00:34:06.859 two comments do we know what City Council agenda is for 00:34:06.859 --> 00:34:09.300 that week? I am I 00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:11.900 have not I've seen the calendar I don't know what okay if 00:34:11.900 --> 00:34:12.699 there and I noticed 00:34:12.699 --> 00:34:16.420 that this December we are not sitting at that time so then 00:34:16.420 --> 00:34:17.780 let's just cancel it 00:34:17.780 --> 00:34:21.659 now. Okay. Commissioner Back. Are we talking about December 00:34:21.659 --> 00:34:29.699 of next year? Yes. Well so sounds like some are 00:34:29.699 --> 00:34:33.380 considering eliminating the 28th altogether okay and just 00:34:33.380 --> 00:34:34.019 have the one 00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:37.500 PNZ meeting for the month? Which would be the 14th of 00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:39.500 December. We can do like we've done 00:34:39.500 --> 00:34:44.349 last week if we get into a situation and there's a big item 00:34:44.349 --> 00:34:45.300 that needs to be 00:34:45.300 --> 00:34:47.860 dealt with we can always schedule a meeting like we did 00:34:47.860 --> 00:34:48.739 last week it was a 00:34:48.739 --> 00:34:51.909 special call meeting and I think let's at least at this 00:34:51.909 --> 00:34:53.460 point let's take it off 00:34:53.460 --> 00:34:57.820 and we'll see what it looks like next November. Okay so for 00:34:57.820 --> 00:34:58.099 clarification 00:34:58.099 --> 00:35:02.519 November 23 is moving to November 30th December 28th is 00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:03.260 being cancelled all 00:35:03.260 --> 00:35:06.920 together. I would agree with that. Am I else okay with that 00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:11.010 ? Yes. Okay. Commissioner Rossell you have another? No, no, 00:35:11.010 --> 00:35:13.380 no, thank you. Merry Christmas 00:35:13.380 --> 00:35:20.900 Commissioner Bruegel. I guess the only other item I had 00:35:20.900 --> 00:35:24.260 made note of is on the 00:35:24.260 --> 00:35:29.269 minutes we've had a couple of different corrections and I 00:35:29.269 --> 00:35:31.280 know Commissioner 00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:33.860 Husband in here but Commissioner Bruegel were you okay with 00:35:33.860 --> 00:35:35.300 those corrections or 00:35:35.300 --> 00:35:38.300 did you get a chance to review the minutes? Yeah I was okay 00:35:38.300 --> 00:35:39.019 with the 00:35:39.019 --> 00:35:41.550 corrections I think there were I had two questions though 00:35:41.550 --> 00:35:42.380 about the minutes on 00:35:42.380 --> 00:35:45.769 the 21st is now a good time to go over them? We've got time 00:35:45.769 --> 00:35:49.539 today. Thank you. Just 00:35:49.539 --> 00:35:53.059 give me one second here to just collect my thoughts I 00:35:53.059 --> 00:35:54.179 usually look at the 00:35:54.179 --> 00:35:55.699 minutes first so it's been a couple of days since I've 00:35:55.699 --> 00:35:59.460 looked at them again. If 00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:01.829 we want to take a break and get our food and then come back 00:36:01.829 --> 00:36:02.579 to that we can do 00:36:02.579 --> 00:36:07.179 that too. No I think I got it. Thanks. Yeah okay so October 00:36:07.179 --> 00:36:13.300 21st page 4 lines 28 00:36:13.300 --> 00:36:25.579 to 31. 28 through 31. Mm-hmm. So my question was about if 00:36:25.579 --> 00:36:25.900 there's an 00:36:25.900 --> 00:36:29.750 HOA that's not a gated community what those what those HOA 00:36:29.750 --> 00:36:30.699 fees go to and I'm 00:36:30.699 --> 00:36:34.809 not quite sure that was clear in the minutes. It's a line 00:36:34.809 --> 00:36:36.820 29 says Commissioner 00:36:36.820 --> 00:36:39.820 Bruegel questioned what the homeowners Association fees are 00:36:39.820 --> 00:36:40.860 applied to if 00:36:40.860 --> 00:36:42.690 they're not applied to street maintenance. I'd just like to 00:36:42.690 --> 00:36:43.059 make that 00:36:43.059 --> 00:36:49.190 clear those HOA fees for not not gated communities yeah and 00:36:49.190 --> 00:36:50.559 then there was one 00:36:50.559 --> 00:37:00.420 more. Oh yeah on page 9 the paragraph about Nottingham 00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:02.579 Drive so between lines 00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:09.980 11 through 14 it says that since Nottingham Drive is 00:37:09.980 --> 00:37:10.579 planned to be one of 00:37:10.579 --> 00:37:13.000 the downgraded streets she questioned if there are any 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:14.219 plans to calm traffic on 00:37:14.219 --> 00:37:18.219 that street. PS stated that staff will complete a traffic 00:37:18.219 --> 00:37:18.780 study and will make 00:37:18.780 --> 00:37:22.900 any changes necessary based on the results of the study but 00:37:22.900 --> 00:37:23.820 I understood 00:37:23.820 --> 00:37:26.389 that conversation and correct me if I'm wrong that the 00:37:26.389 --> 00:37:27.659 neighborhood would 00:37:27.659 --> 00:37:32.119 actually have to request the changes to be made that the 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:33.179 city wouldn't go in and 00:37:33.179 --> 00:37:35.260 automatically make those changes but that if the 00:37:35.260 --> 00:37:36.619 neighborhood requested them 00:37:36.619 --> 00:37:39.480 then engineering would look into that. Correct. Is that 00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:40.179 what you all remember? 00:37:40.179 --> 00:37:44.130 It's initiated by the neighborhood. So we'll add that in 00:37:44.130 --> 00:37:45.860 there. Okay those are my 00:37:45.860 --> 00:37:51.820 only changes to the minutes. Thank you. 00:37:53.539 --> 00:37:56.539 Anybody else have comments or changes questions on the 00:37:56.539 --> 00:37:59.139 minutes? I just wish we 00:37:59.139 --> 00:38:04.960 get the minutes you know so we're not backed up again in a 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:06.099 sense of getting 00:38:06.099 --> 00:38:09.110 them you know four weeks six weeks later yeah unless there 00:38:09.110 --> 00:38:09.980 was corrections with 00:38:09.980 --> 00:38:15.849 other than that. It's hard to remember everything back then 00:38:15.849 --> 00:38:17.659 . Right. Okay well I 00:38:17.659 --> 00:38:21.519 think that covers all the items that we have on our work 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.059 session and then also 00:38:23.059 --> 00:38:29.300 the items for our public meeting this evening. Do we want 00:38:29.300 --> 00:38:30.019 to just go ahead and 00:38:30.019 --> 00:38:35.269 close the work session I guess at this time? Okay so at 540 00:38:35.269 --> 00:38:36.019 we are going to 00:38:36.019 --> 00:38:39.940 close our work session and then we'll reconvene in council 00:38:39.940 --> 00:38:41.380 chambers at 630. 00:38:41.380 --> 00:38:44.300 Thank you. 00:38:49.659 --> 00:38:54.230 Good evening and welcome to the November 18th City of Dent 00:38:54.230 --> 00:38:55.219 on Planning and Zoning 00:38:55.219 --> 00:38:58.900 Commission meeting. Our meeting has been duly posted and we 00:38:58.900 --> 00:38:59.579 have a quorum 00:38:59.579 --> 00:39:04.429 present and it is 631. Our first order of business is to 00:39:04.429 --> 00:39:05.380 stand for the pledge 00:39:05.380 --> 00:39:09.179 of the US and the Texas flags. 00:39:35.380 --> 00:39:53.409 Our next item on our agenda is going to be considered 00:39:53.409 --> 00:39:54.820 approval of the our 00:39:54.820 --> 00:39:59.179 minutes. The chair would entertain a motion. 00:40:03.659 --> 00:40:07.059 Commissioner Bruegel. Thank you chair. I had just a couple 00:40:07.059 --> 00:40:07.820 of corrections that we 00:40:07.820 --> 00:40:11.190 went over in the work session so with those I move approval 00:40:11.190 --> 00:40:12.940 of the minutes. 00:40:12.940 --> 00:40:20.059 Commissioner Dudowitz. I second. Okay any discussion? 00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:44.219 We have a first and a second and I will call for a vote on 00:40:44.219 --> 00:40:45.619 the board. 00:41:03.860 --> 00:41:04.000 We're having some technical difficulties so we'll resort to 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:09.340 the old-fashioned 00:41:09.340 --> 00:41:13.670 we'll do a show of hands. All those in favor raise your 00:41:13.670 --> 00:41:15.460 right hand aye. All 00:41:15.460 --> 00:41:15.460 those opposed same sign. So the motion carries six to zero. 00:41:15.460 --> 00:41:29.300 Our next item is our 00:41:29.300 --> 00:41:46.380 consent agenda. Chair would entertain a motion on the 00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:46.659 consent agenda. 00:41:47.699 --> 00:41:52.760 Commissioner Rossell. I motion to approve the consent 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:56.219 agenda. Commissioner Dudowitz. 00:41:56.219 --> 00:42:03.579 I second. Any discussion? The first and the second we'll 00:42:03.579 --> 00:42:04.579 call for a vote on the 00:42:04.579 --> 00:42:06.860 board. 00:42:11.980 --> 00:42:26.659 Motion passes six to zero. That will move us to our public 00:42:26.659 --> 00:42:27.860 that will move us to 00:42:27.860 --> 00:42:31.010 item number four our consider our planning and zoning 00:42:31.010 --> 00:42:32.139 Commission calendar 00:42:32.139 --> 00:42:35.539 for 2016. 00:42:42.980 --> 00:42:45.130 Commissioner Dudowitz. I approve with the with the 00:42:45.130 --> 00:42:49.900 adjustments that we made in 00:42:49.900 --> 00:42:57.159 work session moving to November 24th meeting scheduled to 00:42:57.159 --> 00:42:58.980 the 30th of 00:42:58.980 --> 00:42:58.980 November and the elimination of December 20 28. 00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:08.539 Commissioner Beck. Thank you I 00:43:08.539 --> 00:43:16.500 second the motion the motion. Any discussion? Seeing none 00:43:16.500 --> 00:43:17.780 we will call for 00:43:17.780 --> 00:43:20.500 a vote on the board. 00:43:30.900 --> 00:43:31.269 Technical difficulties are back so we'll go back to a hand 00:43:31.269 --> 00:43:34.460 vote all those in 00:43:34.460 --> 00:43:40.719 favor raise your right hand aye. All those opposed same 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:43.340 sign none that motion 00:43:43.340 --> 00:43:48.739 carries six zero. That moves us to our public hearings for 00:43:48.739 --> 00:43:51.860 this evening. We have 00:43:51.860 --> 00:43:56.900 first three items A B and C have all been withdrawn by the 00:43:56.900 --> 00:43:58.420 applicant. We did 00:43:58.420 --> 00:44:03.449 have one card Mr. Frank Mayhem or may who I'm sorry that 00:44:03.449 --> 00:44:04.980 those were withdrawn 00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:08.590 from the applicant so when those are rescheduled please 00:44:08.590 --> 00:44:09.340 keep an eye on our 00:44:09.340 --> 00:44:14.280 calendar and we would be happy to well we don't have 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:16.420 control over that the 00:44:16.420 --> 00:44:19.150 applicant has done that I apologize we're not in control 00:44:19.150 --> 00:44:19.820 that is this 00:44:19.820 --> 00:44:22.309 Commission but we do invite you back when those are resched 00:44:22.309 --> 00:44:25.219 uled I'm sorry sir. 00:44:25.219 --> 00:44:29.730 I'll ask staff to speak to that sir. Thank You Chairperson 00:44:29.730 --> 00:44:30.860 Strange the item S 00:44:30.860 --> 00:44:34.130 one one five zero zero one six C has been withdrawn 00:44:34.130 --> 00:44:35.820 completely at this point 00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:40.070 we are not aware of when or if it will be rescheduled or 00:44:40.070 --> 00:44:41.460 come before the 00:44:41.460 --> 00:44:46.420 Commission at this point however if we do if it is revived 00:44:46.420 --> 00:44:47.380 so to speak it has 00:44:47.380 --> 00:44:49.940 been withdrawn but if it is revived then we will send out 00:44:49.940 --> 00:44:51.980 notification again thank 00:44:51.980 --> 00:44:55.019 you and should you have any questions of us please give us 00:44:55.019 --> 00:44:56.260 a call thank you sir 00:44:56.260 --> 00:44:59.699 thank you again sorry 00:45:02.460 --> 00:45:07.550 due to the number of well I'm back up we're going to move 00:45:07.550 --> 00:45:10.139 now to item D and we 00:45:10.139 --> 00:45:14.039 will hold that as as it is shown on our agenda and at this 00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:15.179 time the chair is 00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:19.159 going to open the public hearing and ask for a presentation 00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:20.340 on item D thank you 00:45:20.340 --> 00:45:22.690 Chairperson Strange Mike Bill the planning department 00:45:22.690 --> 00:45:23.579 senior planner will 00:45:23.579 --> 00:45:31.579 make this presentation this project is fr 1516 for the Calh 00:45:31.579 --> 00:45:35.059 oun edition the 00:45:35.059 --> 00:45:37.880 request is a bit of a mouthful but it's essentially a repl 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:38.860 at for three separate 00:45:38.860 --> 00:45:42.650 subdivisions the Mount second edition the Calhoun Calhoun 00:45:42.650 --> 00:45:43.139 middle school 00:45:43.139 --> 00:45:45.869 edition the high school edition and a small strip of unpl 00:45:45.869 --> 00:45:47.500 atted property and in 00:45:47.500 --> 00:45:54.289 the deed records of Denton County section 212 of the Texas 00:45:54.289 --> 00:45:55.340 local government 00:45:55.340 --> 00:45:58.340 code requires a public hearing for any replat that is not 00:45:58.340 --> 00:45:59.139 done that is not 00:45:59.139 --> 00:46:02.539 pretty subdivision that is not first vacated it also 00:46:02.539 --> 00:46:04.139 requires a written 00:46:04.139 --> 00:46:06.949 notice of the public hearing be provided to property owners 00:46:06.949 --> 00:46:07.579 in the original 00:46:07.579 --> 00:46:11.780 subdivision and those have been 200 feet if the area being 00:46:11.780 --> 00:46:12.739 replatted is 00:46:12.739 --> 00:46:16.340 restricted or zoned for no more than two units per lot or a 00:46:16.340 --> 00:46:17.619 duplex within the 00:46:17.619 --> 00:46:20.619 previous five years this property is zoned for single- 00:46:20.619 --> 00:46:21.940 family and qualified 00:46:21.940 --> 00:46:28.099 for residential replat this is the location of the property 00:46:28.099 --> 00:46:28.820 here it's 00:46:28.820 --> 00:46:32.380 located near the pecan neighborhood Carroll Boulevard is 00:46:32.380 --> 00:46:33.940 here this is Calhoun 00:46:33.940 --> 00:46:37.400 middle school you see the Calhoun middle middle school 00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:38.539 tennis courts are included 00:46:38.539 --> 00:46:43.670 in the property and a number of single-family properties as 00:46:43.670 --> 00:46:47.179 well as I 00:46:47.179 --> 00:46:49.659 said before this is three separate subdivisions you have 00:46:49.659 --> 00:46:50.219 the high school 00:46:50.219 --> 00:46:53.380 edition in red the Calhoun middle school edition in orange 00:46:53.380 --> 00:46:54.900 Mount second edition 00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:58.599 in purple and this yellow strip here is a 30-foot unplatted 00:46:58.599 --> 00:46:59.179 land which I 00:46:59.179 --> 00:47:05.139 mentioned before and about a macro level there are three 00:47:05.139 --> 00:47:06.219 reasons why we're here 00:47:06.219 --> 00:47:10.179 tonight the first is to subdivide part of that 30-foot 00:47:10.179 --> 00:47:11.579 strip shown here between 00:47:11.579 --> 00:47:17.469 the budding property owners secondly there's additional 30 00:47:17.469 --> 00:47:18.380 feet within the 00:47:18.380 --> 00:47:22.380 Calhoun middle school addition that the DISD wish to convey 00:47:22.380 --> 00:47:23.460 to the adjacent 00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:27.179 properties in the north and south and lastly to establish 00:47:27.179 --> 00:47:28.239 new legal boundaries 00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:31.239 for three lots along Anderson and I'll go into a little 00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:33.260 more detail this is the 00:47:33.260 --> 00:47:36.079 zoom in of the proposed plat there's a lot going on so kind 00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:36.820 of walk you through 00:47:36.820 --> 00:47:40.219 it here very quickly this is that 30-foot strip that I 00:47:40.219 --> 00:47:41.579 mentioned earlier 00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:45.130 the reason we're here is the owner of this property to the 00:47:45.130 --> 00:47:46.260 north came in for a 00:47:46.260 --> 00:47:49.260 permit to redo the house and with that a driveway that 00:47:49.260 --> 00:47:50.780 driveway was located in 00:47:50.780 --> 00:47:53.780 the area in yellow the review of that permit we determined 00:47:53.780 --> 00:47:55.059 that his plat did 00:47:55.059 --> 00:47:57.519 not match and further investigation showed that it was 00:47:57.519 --> 00:47:58.380 actually owned by 00:47:58.380 --> 00:48:01.969 didn't ISD so we held a meeting with didn't ISD and the 00:48:01.969 --> 00:48:03.380 adjacent property 00:48:03.380 --> 00:48:06.659 owners to the south who are also along that strip at that 00:48:06.659 --> 00:48:08.179 meeting didn't ISD 00:48:08.179 --> 00:48:10.909 agreed to convey that property to those owners in a way 00:48:10.909 --> 00:48:11.860 that reflected the 00:48:11.860 --> 00:48:15.380 current development pattern in the area so as a result 00:48:15.380 --> 00:48:16.900 these are essentially the 00:48:16.900 --> 00:48:20.309 new property lines being created here giving them 20 feet 00:48:20.309 --> 00:48:21.219 the property owner 00:48:21.219 --> 00:48:25.550 to the north and roughly 10 feet to the property owners to 00:48:25.550 --> 00:48:27.739 the south also didn't 00:48:27.739 --> 00:48:30.739 ISD had another strip of land within the Calhoun Middle 00:48:30.739 --> 00:48:31.980 School addition that they 00:48:31.980 --> 00:48:35.679 no longer found necessary and they were we asked if these 00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:36.860 two property owners to 00:48:36.860 --> 00:48:39.139 the north and south would like to have it they said yes 00:48:39.139 --> 00:48:40.579 they would so the 00:48:40.579 --> 00:48:42.989 second part of this we're going to subdivide it roughly 00:48:42.989 --> 00:48:44.300 here equally 00:48:44.300 --> 00:48:49.320 between the two and then lastly the third part of this is 00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:50.619 according to the 00:48:50.619 --> 00:48:53.849 plat done back in the early 1900s this was actually 00:48:53.849 --> 00:48:55.900 originally four lots shown 00:48:55.900 --> 00:48:59.420 by the lines in blue over the decades those lines are kind 00:48:59.420 --> 00:49:00.460 of reconfigured 00:49:00.460 --> 00:49:02.739 through meets and bounds the plat was never adjusted 00:49:02.739 --> 00:49:06.300 accordingly so as part of 00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:08.500 this we're going to clean up those property lines to where 00:49:08.500 --> 00:49:09.019 they are now 00:49:09.019 --> 00:49:11.849 according to their deeds which is roughly here so to go 00:49:11.849 --> 00:49:12.739 from four lots to 00:49:12.739 --> 00:49:14.820 three lots there are three houses and there have been three 00:49:14.820 --> 00:49:15.420 houses for many 00:49:15.420 --> 00:49:19.719 decades in the end we'll get kind of a product like this 00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:20.940 where these will be 00:49:20.940 --> 00:49:27.579 the boundary lines within the plot as it does mean all the 00:49:27.579 --> 00:49:28.460 technical 00:49:28.460 --> 00:49:30.909 requirements of our development code staff recommends 00:49:30.909 --> 00:49:31.980 approval and I'll stand 00:49:31.980 --> 00:49:37.170 for any questions commissioner Roselle thank you chair can 00:49:37.170 --> 00:49:38.219 you go back to the 00:49:38.219 --> 00:49:41.500 location map at the very start of your presentation you've 00:49:41.500 --> 00:49:42.659 identified an 00:49:42.659 --> 00:49:46.090 unplatted strip of land that crosses over Amarillo Street 00:49:46.090 --> 00:49:47.739 to the west is there 00:49:47.739 --> 00:49:49.920 a reason that that's not being addressed at this time is 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:50.860 this going to remain 00:49:50.860 --> 00:49:54.139 on unplatted we actually held a neighborhood meeting with 00:49:54.139 --> 00:49:55.019 everybody in 00:49:55.019 --> 00:49:57.750 that block and that property owner as well requesting if 00:49:57.750 --> 00:49:58.539 they wanted to to 00:49:58.539 --> 00:50:01.360 join in on this application they chose not to at this time 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:02.139 is there any 00:50:02.139 --> 00:50:04.469 implications to them for not doing that if their deed doesn 00:50:04.469 --> 00:50:05.179 't align with the 00:50:05.179 --> 00:50:07.579 plot for that homeowner yes they may have the same 00:50:07.579 --> 00:50:09.460 situation as the property 00:50:09.460 --> 00:50:11.010 owner within this one did where they couldn't get a 00:50:11.010 --> 00:50:11.780 driveway permit until 00:50:11.780 --> 00:50:14.639 they rectify the issue we made that known they still were 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:15.059 not comfortable 00:50:15.059 --> 00:50:18.980 joining in thank you 00:50:21.539 --> 00:50:27.099 no other questions for staff okay this is a public hearing 00:50:27.099 --> 00:50:28.219 anyone that would 00:50:28.219 --> 00:50:31.449 like to speak on this item is welcome to come down at this 00:50:31.449 --> 00:50:33.300 time please fill out a 00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:36.800 yellow card if you would like we're waiting on that we did 00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:37.659 have one card 00:50:37.659 --> 00:50:43.739 from Bill Coleman in support of this and he did not wish to 00:50:43.739 --> 00:50:45.460 speak in public 00:50:45.460 --> 00:50:49.030 hearing anyone else would like to speak on this before we 00:50:49.030 --> 00:50:49.780 close the public 00:50:49.780 --> 00:50:55.699 hearing seeing none we will close the public hearing on 00:50:55.699 --> 00:50:58.260 this item 00:51:04.420 --> 00:51:10.980 Commissioner back I move we approve the final plan on this 00:51:13.099 --> 00:51:17.969 Commissioner Dudowitz I second the motion okay any 00:51:17.969 --> 00:51:20.420 discussion 00:51:23.380 --> 00:51:27.820 seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board 00:51:34.699 --> 00:51:41.449 motion carries six zero we're going to make a adjustment to 00:51:41.449 --> 00:51:45.420 our agenda we're 00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:49.559 going to be moving item F ahead of item E due to the length 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:51.099 of the presentation 00:51:51.099 --> 00:51:55.400 so we will move now to open the public hearing for item F 00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:57.300 thank you chairperson 00:51:57.300 --> 00:51:57.300 strange I will request Julie Wyatt with our planning 00:51:57.300 --> 00:52:02.179 department to make this 00:52:02.179 --> 00:52:09.300 presentation good evening Julie Wyatt associate planner 00:52:09.300 --> 00:52:12.019 with the city of Denton 00:52:15.179 --> 00:52:18.179 tonight I'm presenting to you a code amendment or proposed 00:52:18.179 --> 00:52:20.900 code amendment the 00:52:20.900 --> 00:52:23.760 request is to consider making a recommendation to City 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:25.099 Council regarding 00:52:25.099 --> 00:52:28.099 an amendment to the Denton development code to add assembly 00:52:28.099 --> 00:52:28.900 halls clubs and 00:52:28.900 --> 00:52:32.179 lodges to the list of zoning uses in subchapter 5 and also 00:52:32.179 --> 00:52:32.940 revise the 00:52:32.940 --> 00:52:37.579 definition for semi public halls clubs and lodges in subch 00:52:37.579 --> 00:52:39.940 apter 23 the reason 00:52:39.940 --> 00:52:43.250 that we're discussing this tonight is because over the last 00:52:43.250 --> 00:52:44.179 year or so staff 00:52:44.179 --> 00:52:48.039 has been approached by several entities as well as 00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:49.840 applicants wanting to 00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:54.300 develop facilities to accommodate private functions in more 00:52:54.300 --> 00:52:54.940 rural or 00:52:54.940 --> 00:53:00.900 residential or non-commercial areas the uses that would 00:53:00.900 --> 00:53:03.219 this would encompass 00:53:03.219 --> 00:53:07.179 would be private events such as weddings meetings banquets 00:53:07.179 --> 00:53:08.099 the activities 00:53:08.099 --> 00:53:11.570 associated with it would include catering alcohol sales for 00:53:11.570 --> 00:53:12.139 on-site 00:53:12.139 --> 00:53:15.699 consumption and typically live or recorded music some sort 00:53:15.699 --> 00:53:16.699 of entertainment 00:53:16.699 --> 00:53:20.619 the Denton development code does not have a definition or a 00:53:20.619 --> 00:53:21.219 use that 00:53:21.219 --> 00:53:25.179 adequately describes this these types of activities for a 00:53:25.179 --> 00:53:29.579 for-profit entity so we 00:53:29.579 --> 00:53:32.929 discussed this in a previous work session the Denton 00:53:32.929 --> 00:53:33.900 development code does 00:53:33.900 --> 00:53:37.469 have a definition for use that encompasses those activities 00:53:37.469 --> 00:53:37.659 of 00:53:37.659 --> 00:53:44.250 catering rental hall banquet facility and that's semi 00:53:44.250 --> 00:53:45.619 public halls clubs and 00:53:45.619 --> 00:53:50.079 lodges but they only limited these activities to non for 00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.699 not-for-profit entities 00:53:52.699 --> 00:53:57.760 so in order to broaden the types of applicants or people 00:53:57.760 --> 00:53:59.099 who could use this 00:53:59.099 --> 00:54:03.150 definition and this use staff is recommending that we 00:54:03.150 --> 00:54:03.980 remove the 00:54:03.980 --> 00:54:10.590 non-for-profit portion of this definition and also and also 00:54:10.590 --> 00:54:11.380 redo the 00:54:11.380 --> 00:54:15.619 term to be assembly halls clubs and lodges as a structure 00:54:15.619 --> 00:54:16.900 or facility owned 00:54:16.900 --> 00:54:19.760 or operated for special educational or recreational 00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:20.900 purposes once again this 00:54:20.900 --> 00:54:23.940 still encompasses those same activities that were in the 00:54:23.940 --> 00:54:25.780 previous definition but 00:54:25.780 --> 00:54:30.630 it just broadens who can use it we're also recommending 00:54:30.630 --> 00:54:31.980 that this use be 00:54:31.980 --> 00:54:34.989 treated in the same manner as the existing semi public 00:54:34.989 --> 00:54:35.900 halls clubs and 00:54:35.900 --> 00:54:39.789 lodges so for our rural areas it would not be permitted in 00:54:39.789 --> 00:54:41.139 RD5 but it would be 00:54:41.139 --> 00:54:46.420 permitted in rural commercial sorry for our residential 00:54:46.420 --> 00:54:47.980 zoning districts in our 00:54:47.980 --> 00:54:51.699 one through in our six we're recommending it to stay as an 00:54:51.699 --> 00:54:53.099 SUP and 00:54:53.099 --> 00:54:56.869 then in our MU 12 would be a limitation in our MU it would 00:54:56.869 --> 00:54:59.659 be a permitted use in 00:54:59.659 --> 00:55:03.429 staffs analysis of this code amendment we felt that the SUP 00:55:03.429 --> 00:55:04.579 and in retaining 00:55:04.579 --> 00:55:07.659 that within our residential zoning districts was important 00:55:07.659 --> 00:55:09.380 because a use 00:55:09.380 --> 00:55:12.519 that requires an SUP is a use that may be permitted in the 00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:13.780 zoning district but 00:55:13.780 --> 00:55:16.780 additional scrutiny would be required in order to make sure 00:55:16.780 --> 00:55:17.579 that that use does 00:55:17.579 --> 00:55:20.360 fit in with the existing character of the area as well as 00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:21.420 the land use pattern 00:55:21.420 --> 00:55:27.679 so for for the in our one through in our six subchapter six 00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:28.900 would apply to the 00:55:28.900 --> 00:55:32.269 use and that would be additional criteria for approval it 00:55:32.269 --> 00:55:33.139 would go through 00:55:33.139 --> 00:55:36.369 the public hearing process and there could be conditions 00:55:36.369 --> 00:55:37.539 placed upon the use 00:55:37.539 --> 00:55:42.150 such as limiting the scope of the use limiting the hours of 00:55:42.150 --> 00:55:43.539 operation those 00:55:43.539 --> 00:55:46.659 types of things to mitigate any nuisances and to make it 00:55:46.659 --> 00:55:47.380 compatible with 00:55:47.380 --> 00:55:52.230 the surrounding area in our downtown zoning districts a 00:55:52.230 --> 00:55:54.380 permitted use our 00:55:54.380 --> 00:55:58.510 community mixed use districts permitted regional mixed use 00:55:58.510 --> 00:56:00.500 permitted employment 00:56:00.500 --> 00:56:04.659 centers and then also industrial centers permitted as a 00:56:04.659 --> 00:56:06.179 semi public halls clubs 00:56:06.179 --> 00:56:10.420 and lodges so staff does recommend approval of this code 00:56:10.420 --> 00:56:11.659 amendment and I'll 00:56:11.659 --> 00:56:14.420 stand for any questions 00:56:18.699 --> 00:56:25.320 thank you this is a public hearing anyone who would like to 00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:25.980 speak on this 00:56:25.980 --> 00:56:30.079 item please come forward at this time I do not have any 00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:34.579 cards on this item yet 00:56:36.219 --> 00:56:38.079 yes a public hearing if anyone would like to speak on this 00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:39.179 item please come 00:56:39.179 --> 00:56:41.820 forward at this time 00:56:46.260 --> 00:56:49.510 just public hearing I'm sorry I don't know the procedure 00:56:49.510 --> 00:56:52.380 for this okay great I 00:56:52.380 --> 00:56:57.659 got here just in time you're up come on all right welcome 00:56:57.659 --> 00:56:59.699 and if you would give 00:56:59.699 --> 00:57:02.199 us your name and address for the record and then when you 00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:03.300 're finished with your 00:57:03.300 --> 00:57:05.760 comments if you'll fill out a yellow card we would 00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:06.820 appreciate it you'll have 00:57:06.820 --> 00:57:10.679 three minutes all right Commission thank you for inviting 00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:11.820 us to speak on this 00:57:11.820 --> 00:57:18.539 matter my name is Lucas Hall L-e-c-a-s-h-o-l-l my address 00:57:18.539 --> 00:57:20.099 is 815 00:57:20.099 --> 00:57:30.260 crest oak place that's Denton 76209 and I am here to urge 00:57:30.260 --> 00:57:33.539 the Commission to a 00:57:33.539 --> 00:57:38.730 either reject the proposal outright or be rejected on the 00:57:38.730 --> 00:57:40.579 condition that it is 00:57:40.579 --> 00:57:48.150 amended in order to preserve the semi public definition and 00:57:48.150 --> 00:57:49.380 apply and 00:57:49.380 --> 00:57:55.210 continue to apply the semi public definition as it applies 00:57:55.210 --> 00:57:55.860 to all 00:57:55.860 --> 00:58:01.650 neighborhood residential zoning areas one two three four 00:58:01.650 --> 00:58:03.940 and six I I believe 00:58:03.940 --> 00:58:10.139 that so here I'm generally opposed to it because the 00:58:10.139 --> 00:58:13.940 inclusion by eliminating 00:58:13.940 --> 00:58:21.380 that the language excuse me by eliminating the what I'm 00:58:21.380 --> 00:58:21.900 calling the 00:58:21.900 --> 00:58:30.070 non not-for-profit provision we are by nature including for 00:58:30.070 --> 00:58:31.019 -profit and 00:58:31.019 --> 00:58:36.150 commercial uses into the definition that's as described in 00:58:36.150 --> 00:58:37.019 the staff 00:58:37.019 --> 00:58:42.519 recommendation now that goes against a historical and this 00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:43.980 is a nationwide 00:58:43.980 --> 00:58:50.739 historical precedent of having residential zones limited to 00:58:50.739 --> 00:58:52.179 family a 00:58:52.179 --> 00:58:55.699 living multifamily single-family use with the exception of 00:58:55.699 --> 00:58:57.500 nonprofit community 00:58:57.500 --> 00:59:01.500 type uses like schools neighborhood churches other 00:59:01.500 --> 00:59:03.099 neighborhood nonprofit 00:59:03.099 --> 00:59:08.659 surface service and community type uses the introduction of 00:59:08.659 --> 00:59:09.699 for-profit or 00:59:09.699 --> 00:59:13.769 business type uses into the definition of assembly halls 00:59:13.769 --> 00:59:15.380 and then creating this 00:59:15.380 --> 00:59:20.820 mechanism by which these could be inserted into what are 00:59:20.820 --> 00:59:22.659 uniformly under 00:59:22.659 --> 00:59:26.800 the Denton the existing development code uniformly for for 00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:28.099 family living for 00:59:28.099 --> 00:59:33.360 quiet peaceful residential living that is antithetical it's 00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:35.699 it's using I'm 00:59:35.699 --> 00:59:39.380 against that generally and I think a lot of neighborhood 00:59:39.380 --> 00:59:40.780 representatives would be 00:59:40.780 --> 00:59:44.269 there maybe I don't know how many people are here to speak 00:59:44.269 --> 00:59:45.539 on it but if people 00:59:45.539 --> 00:59:51.699 hear the idea that we're expanding the possibility of uses 00:59:51.699 --> 00:59:53.760 to include for-profit 00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:57.070 or commercial uses which are not by nature bad in fact 00:59:57.070 --> 00:59:58.340 there are plenty of 00:59:58.340 --> 01:00:01.789 business owners that are going to be great neighbors but it 01:00:01.789 --> 01:00:02.619 's expanding 01:00:02.619 --> 01:00:06.980 needlessly to address a very fine technical problem and 01:00:06.980 --> 01:00:08.139 that is it's my 01:00:08.139 --> 01:00:13.329 understanding simply to incorporate this small niche of 01:00:13.329 --> 01:00:15.000 assembly type business 01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:19.650 classes into a new definition so here's my proposal if you 01:00:19.650 --> 01:00:20.619 really want to 01:00:20.619 --> 01:00:24.190 address this which is including a new definition for 01:00:24.190 --> 01:00:25.900 assembly type for-profit 01:00:25.900 --> 01:00:31.300 businesses maintain the semi public definition with the 01:00:31.300 --> 01:00:33.780 nonprofit limiting 01:00:33.780 --> 01:00:38.079 use and make sure that continues to apply to all 01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:40.860 neighborhood residentials but 01:00:40.860 --> 01:00:46.360 create the new assembly definition as staff has proposed 01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:48.280 and allow that to be 01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:53.409 included on in mixed use commercial and industrial but 01:00:53.409 --> 01:00:55.219 please leave the 01:00:55.219 --> 01:00:59.679 neighborhood residential one through six with a big N in 01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:02.139 all places if you do in 01:01:02.139 --> 01:01:06.610 fact create that new assembly definition and by the way if 01:01:06.610 --> 01:01:07.940 there's a business 01:01:07.940 --> 01:01:10.349 owner or a group of business owners out there that really 01:01:10.349 --> 01:01:11.019 really want to 01:01:11.019 --> 01:01:14.599 establish a business thank you for the extended time in an 01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:15.420 area that's 01:01:15.420 --> 01:01:19.559 classified as neighborhood residential we already have the 01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:20.420 tools at our 01:01:20.420 --> 01:01:26.820 disposal variances or rezoning and I'm gonna cut you off 01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:28.059 right here we'd let 01:01:28.059 --> 01:01:31.579 you go for you thank you before you go yes came in late and 01:01:31.579 --> 01:01:32.099 I think you may 01:01:32.099 --> 01:01:33.929 have missed some of the items in the presentation and I 01:01:33.929 --> 01:01:34.619 think there may be 01:01:34.619 --> 01:01:37.619 some questions and then we may ask staff to come up and 01:01:37.619 --> 01:01:38.699 clarify an item for you 01:01:38.699 --> 01:01:41.710 so I'm gonna recognize Commissioner Brickle please sure mr. 01:01:41.710 --> 01:01:42.539 Hall thank you 01:01:42.539 --> 01:01:44.920 for coming tonight you walked it was like it was like in 01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:45.739 the TV shows like 01:01:45.739 --> 01:01:52.300 I've arrived here so are you aware that those staff is 01:01:52.300 --> 01:01:53.780 recommending approval in 01:01:53.780 --> 01:01:57.349 and are one through and our six that there does require an 01:01:57.349 --> 01:01:58.460 SUP process which 01:01:58.460 --> 01:02:01.460 does trigger a public hearing are you aware of that and 01:02:01.460 --> 01:02:02.619 does that seem to 01:02:02.619 --> 01:02:05.940 satisfy some of your concerns that the neighborhood can 01:02:05.940 --> 01:02:08.420 come out and speak for 01:02:08.420 --> 01:02:13.269 or against a proposal like that I am aware and I maintain 01:02:13.269 --> 01:02:14.659 my position I'm 01:02:14.659 --> 01:02:19.989 aware that this but and and the I think there there should 01:02:19.989 --> 01:02:22.780 be a bifurcated 01:02:22.780 --> 01:02:26.730 assembly type definition one that is semi-public as we have 01:02:26.730 --> 01:02:27.739 it that exists 01:02:27.739 --> 01:02:32.869 right now and that applies to neighborhood uses with the SU 01:02:32.869 --> 01:02:33.539 P provision 01:02:33.539 --> 01:02:36.699 all the way across as it does right now and then creating a 01:02:36.699 --> 01:02:37.699 new definition 01:02:37.699 --> 01:02:41.619 identical to the sets that's assembly clubs lounges 01:02:41.619 --> 01:02:43.380 identical to the current 01:02:43.380 --> 01:02:47.760 definition without the nonprofit limitation and then that 01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:48.980 would also be an 01:02:48.980 --> 01:02:53.280 SUP but that would only apply but it would be a big end in 01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:54.940 every right in our 01:02:54.940 --> 01:03:01.019 zone but then an SUP under every mixed use and commercial 01:03:01.019 --> 01:03:02.539 and so yes I realize 01:03:02.539 --> 01:03:05.170 that's a pause a possible rebuttal to what I just said but 01:03:05.170 --> 01:03:06.059 I believe it should 01:03:06.059 --> 01:03:09.719 remain a big end all the way across in neighborhood and one 01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:10.539 more question for 01:03:10.539 --> 01:03:15.389 you Commissioner Hudson yes mr. so my question is this yes 01:03:15.389 --> 01:03:16.780 given given a 01:03:16.780 --> 01:03:20.699 hypothetical situation currently now if a church or a not- 01:03:20.699 --> 01:03:22.019 for-profit wanted to 01:03:22.019 --> 01:03:27.550 lease to an individual that door is somewhat open and there 01:03:27.550 --> 01:03:28.900 is no hearing 01:03:28.900 --> 01:03:33.329 have you considered that that at least with this provision 01:03:33.329 --> 01:03:34.739 you would at least 01:03:34.739 --> 01:03:41.050 it eliminates that to a degree I think there I think there 01:03:41.050 --> 01:03:42.579 is a more refined 01:03:42.579 --> 01:03:46.260 way to us to address that problem and that's what I what I 01:03:46.260 --> 01:03:47.539 just said and if 01:03:47.539 --> 01:03:58.119 you really needed to I frankly I don't think that the the 01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:00.699 rare instance of this 01:04:00.699 --> 01:04:04.550 happening the hypothetical I don't think the possibility of 01:04:04.550 --> 01:04:05.699 those hypotheticals 01:04:05.699 --> 01:04:13.630 warrants the broad brush stroke of blanket allowing for- 01:04:13.630 --> 01:04:14.860 profit applicants 01:04:14.860 --> 01:04:19.000 to encroach into neighborhood residential zones and I 01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:20.219 realize this is 01:04:20.219 --> 01:04:24.269 all conditioned on that special use permit requirement but 01:04:24.269 --> 01:04:26.260 in that instance I 01:04:26.260 --> 01:04:31.110 think we could come up with a more refined tool I haven't 01:04:31.110 --> 01:04:32.139 had time to 01:04:32.139 --> 01:04:35.000 contemplate that hypothetical but I think there's a more 01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:36.460 refined tool and a 01:04:36.460 --> 01:04:39.929 zoning tool at our disposal to address that particular 01:04:39.929 --> 01:04:41.059 situation and I'd be 01:04:41.059 --> 01:04:44.340 happy to think about it and respond in more detail if you 01:04:44.340 --> 01:04:46.900 want me to but sure 01:04:46.900 --> 01:04:50.619 yeah I don't know all that's contingent on the vote tonight 01:04:50.619 --> 01:04:51.619 but yes I'd love to 01:04:51.619 --> 01:04:55.739 because that is it that's I think that I live about a block 01:04:55.739 --> 01:04:57.139 away from the Legion 01:04:57.139 --> 01:05:01.809 Hall and they're booked every weekend pretty much and so 01:05:01.809 --> 01:05:02.860 yeah I think it is 01:05:02.860 --> 01:05:08.860 more realistic than you think and so I'd love to hear what 01:05:08.860 --> 01:05:10.179 you have to say sure 01:05:10.179 --> 01:05:13.550 yes one more question for a Commissioner Roselle thank you 01:05:13.550 --> 01:05:14.380 mr. all I appreciate 01:05:14.380 --> 01:05:16.940 you coming speak and I actually raised some of the same 01:05:16.940 --> 01:05:17.980 concerns you had in a 01:05:17.980 --> 01:05:21.190 work session several weeks ago namely I was concerned about 01:05:21.190 --> 01:05:22.420 inviting specific 01:05:22.420 --> 01:05:27.119 noise issues into residential area and I was I was educated 01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:28.260 on the fact that 01:05:28.260 --> 01:05:31.300 there's city ordinances that help prevent that existence 01:05:31.300 --> 01:05:32.139 from happening 01:05:32.139 --> 01:05:35.139 apart from the special use permit which we would have the 01:05:35.139 --> 01:05:36.179 ability to put some 01:05:36.179 --> 01:05:40.260 constricts on some of the usage and so I align with you and 01:05:40.260 --> 01:05:41.539 some of the concerns 01:05:41.539 --> 01:05:45.880 I also is as we look at this there's community centers that 01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:46.980 pop up and then 01:05:46.980 --> 01:05:50.659 planned not planned developments but in residences that 01:05:50.659 --> 01:05:52.619 with the nonprofit tag 01:05:52.619 --> 01:05:56.059 on that would be inhibited to rent out that space for 01:05:56.059 --> 01:05:57.900 weekend functions so this 01:05:57.900 --> 01:06:01.820 would would help those localized type community centers 01:06:01.820 --> 01:06:02.780 function without 01:06:02.780 --> 01:06:05.130 having to go through like a rezoning or variance process 01:06:05.130 --> 01:06:06.059 that that you brought 01:06:06.059 --> 01:06:14.809 up does that make sense yes and I frankly am I guess I don 01:06:14.809 --> 01:06:15.380 't know how the 01:06:15.380 --> 01:06:19.469 code applies to this instance of that you gentlemen have 01:06:19.469 --> 01:06:22.059 raised of an existing 01:06:22.059 --> 01:06:25.460 not-for-profit organization leasing out for a business 01:06:25.460 --> 01:06:26.900 purpose in my mind you 01:06:26.900 --> 01:06:31.570 could easily justify it as as it as the code exists and 01:06:31.570 --> 01:06:33.659 saying that financial 01:06:33.659 --> 01:06:36.519 leasing out for the financial support of the existing 01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:37.780 community or nonprofit 01:06:37.780 --> 01:06:44.079 organization is a satisfactory nonprofit use whereas a 01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:46.420 completely for-profit use 01:06:46.420 --> 01:06:51.610 what really matters is the bottom line and I think that has 01:06:51.610 --> 01:06:52.780 an inherent 01:06:52.780 --> 01:06:57.630 friction with the established long established and very 01:06:57.630 --> 01:06:58.619 delightful 01:06:58.619 --> 01:07:02.619 established norms we have in Denton residential 01:07:02.619 --> 01:07:05.420 neighborhoods and I really 01:07:05.420 --> 01:07:08.739 see no harm in creating a bifurcated definition the way I 01:07:08.739 --> 01:07:10.039 've envisioned and I 01:07:10.039 --> 01:07:12.530 realize you all probably discussed this much longer than I 01:07:12.530 --> 01:07:13.380 've had a chance to 01:07:13.380 --> 01:07:18.300 talk to you about it but yeah I I appreciate your comments 01:07:18.300 --> 01:07:18.900 and welcome 01:07:18.900 --> 01:07:21.969 taking any other questions to see no other questions thank 01:07:21.969 --> 01:07:22.659 you for your 01:07:22.659 --> 01:07:26.380 comments okay thank you so much thank you again this is a 01:07:26.380 --> 01:07:27.699 public hearing anyone 01:07:27.699 --> 01:07:30.760 else that would like to speak on this item please come 01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:32.860 forward at this time 01:07:35.420 --> 01:07:42.460 seeing none I will close the public hearing on this item 01:07:46.380 --> 01:07:50.940 Commissioner Bruegel thank you chair Julie where's Julie 01:07:50.940 --> 01:07:54.219 hey Julie thank you 01:07:54.219 --> 01:07:58.000 I'm wondering if you could address some of his concerns and 01:07:58.000 --> 01:07:59.260 maybe make your case 01:07:59.260 --> 01:08:03.179 for why the SUP process might might address some of his his 01:08:03.179 --> 01:08:04.179 concerns with 01:08:04.179 --> 01:08:07.900 that sure absolutely and I'll say that staff was really 01:08:07.900 --> 01:08:08.619 sensitive to his 01:08:08.619 --> 01:08:12.590 concerns and it was we went around quite a bit on it and 01:08:12.590 --> 01:08:14.019 and so it was it was 01:08:14.019 --> 01:08:19.729 definitely a point of discussion with staff but at the end 01:08:19.729 --> 01:08:21.140 you know we looked 01:08:21.140 --> 01:08:26.159 at what the existing the existing use what the activities 01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:27.819 were associated with 01:08:27.819 --> 01:08:30.819 it and they really are the same activities it really comes 01:08:30.819 --> 01:08:31.380 down and who's 01:08:31.380 --> 01:08:35.500 using it and so I think we're sensitive to the commercial 01:08:35.500 --> 01:08:36.300 nature and to the 01:08:36.300 --> 01:08:39.130 nature of those activities they could get quite intensive 01:08:39.130 --> 01:08:39.779 and we tried to 01:08:39.779 --> 01:08:44.340 think about worst-case scenarios in our internal meetings 01:08:44.340 --> 01:08:46.100 but when but when we 01:08:46.100 --> 01:08:50.590 looked at those and then we looked at you know any use that 01:08:50.590 --> 01:08:52.020 would come in in a 01:08:52.020 --> 01:08:56.460 residential district would also have to meet any any lot 01:08:56.460 --> 01:08:58.619 coverages any building 01:08:58.619 --> 01:09:01.619 envelope requirements within that zoning district so that 01:09:01.619 --> 01:09:02.500 would be a limiter to 01:09:02.500 --> 01:09:05.359 it there would potentially there would be buffering 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:06.340 requirements screening 01:09:06.340 --> 01:09:11.189 requirements and that's just just on the code but then when 01:09:11.189 --> 01:09:12.380 you look at the 01:09:12.380 --> 01:09:16.550 additional criteria for approval for the SUP and that there 01:09:16.550 --> 01:09:17.699 would be public 01:09:17.699 --> 01:09:22.350 notification as well as a public hearing that we felt like 01:09:22.350 --> 01:09:23.699 that extra scrutiny 01:09:23.699 --> 01:09:27.970 and that community input would serve to to make sure that 01:09:27.970 --> 01:09:29.460 it was compatible with 01:09:29.460 --> 01:09:35.539 the character of the neighborhood. Yeah and a follow-up to 01:09:35.539 --> 01:09:36.420 I believe there was 01:09:36.420 --> 01:09:39.460 we brought up you brought up an example of something 01:09:39.460 --> 01:09:42.140 currently existing was it 01:09:42.140 --> 01:09:44.869 the Wildwood or something that can you talk about? Wildwood 01:09:44.869 --> 01:09:49.340 Inn is a facility 01:09:49.340 --> 01:09:52.039 that is a bed and breakfast it's actually got a CEO for a 01:09:52.039 --> 01:09:52.779 bed and breakfast 01:09:52.779 --> 01:09:58.380 but it also holds weddings as well and that's in a 01:09:58.380 --> 01:09:59.979 residential area is 01:09:59.979 --> 01:10:02.810 that right? Yes ma'am. It is on arterial but it but it is 01:10:02.810 --> 01:10:04.180 in a residential zoning in a 01:10:04.180 --> 01:10:08.859 residential area. And it seems to fit well with where it is 01:10:08.859 --> 01:10:09.340 there haven't 01:10:09.340 --> 01:10:11.140 been many complaints from the residents in that 01:10:11.140 --> 01:10:12.340 neighborhood? I'm not aware I 01:10:12.340 --> 01:10:16.189 know that the neighborhoods have had complaints about noise 01:10:16.189 --> 01:10:17.500 but but I don't 01:10:17.500 --> 01:10:20.329 know about any specific complaints. Staff was also 01:10:20.329 --> 01:10:22.020 approached by an applicant who 01:10:22.020 --> 01:10:27.039 wanted to do a farm slash wedding venue on the west side of 01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:28.220 town in an NR2 01:10:28.220 --> 01:10:30.489 zoning district and when we looked at what they were 01:10:30.489 --> 01:10:32.220 proposing it really made 01:10:32.220 --> 01:10:35.300 sense it was a rural type use it was going to have large 01:10:35.300 --> 01:10:36.300 acreage so it would 01:10:36.300 --> 01:10:39.399 have provide a lot of buffer between them and the neighbors 01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:40.260 but it would also 01:10:40.260 --> 01:10:43.630 have been a for-profit in order you know they had to have 01:10:43.630 --> 01:10:44.899 the wedding component in 01:10:44.899 --> 01:10:48.069 order to have the sort of farm component so we tried to 01:10:48.069 --> 01:10:49.460 look at all you know the 01:10:49.460 --> 01:10:52.960 the different scales and how the intensities could affect 01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:53.220 the the 01:10:53.220 --> 01:10:55.949 character of the areas and there would be some instances 01:10:55.949 --> 01:10:56.979 where it would not be 01:10:56.979 --> 01:11:01.270 appropriate and and we would you know we would look at 01:11:01.270 --> 01:11:03.260 carefully at that and if 01:11:03.260 --> 01:11:07.220 if conditions couldn't make it appropriate for that area 01:11:07.220 --> 01:11:08.180 then that would 01:11:08.180 --> 01:11:12.789 be something staff would have difficulty recommending for 01:11:12.789 --> 01:11:16.300 approval. Thank you 01:11:16.300 --> 01:11:24.020 that's helpful. Any other questions for staff? Thank You 01:11:24.020 --> 01:11:31.300 Julie. Any other 01:11:31.300 --> 01:11:35.260 discussion on this or someone like to make a motion? 01:11:35.260 --> 01:11:36.899 Commissioner Beck. Thank 01:11:36.899 --> 01:11:41.460 you chair I would like to ask Mr. Hall one more question. 01:11:41.460 --> 01:11:46.220 What is or is there 01:11:46.220 --> 01:11:49.979 a worst-seen scenario for you? Is it just the idea that it 01:11:49.979 --> 01:11:51.659 's a for-profit 01:11:51.659 --> 01:11:55.979 entity that's coming into a neighborhood a residential area 01:11:55.979 --> 01:11:57.140 or are there some 01:11:57.140 --> 01:12:02.100 for-profit entities that you that worry the most that might 01:12:02.100 --> 01:12:02.539 come out of this? 01:12:02.539 --> 01:12:07.130 Well A, I generally don't think we need to completely 01:12:07.130 --> 01:12:09.739 rewrite the code for a 01:12:09.739 --> 01:12:13.420 very small case-by-case problem which could be established 01:12:13.420 --> 01:12:14.340 which could be 01:12:14.340 --> 01:12:18.500 addressed by existing tools namely variants or rezoning. I 01:12:18.500 --> 01:12:19.579 'm not sure how 01:12:19.579 --> 01:12:23.770 wildwood exists it's a lovely place I assume a variance or 01:12:23.770 --> 01:12:24.340 some some other 01:12:24.340 --> 01:12:28.850 provision why not other you know require other businesses 01:12:28.850 --> 01:12:29.699 to go through the same 01:12:29.699 --> 01:12:34.630 process but I suppose my my worst-case scenario I don't 01:12:34.630 --> 01:12:36.220 think it would it's 01:12:36.220 --> 01:12:43.399 it's something along the lines of gradual encroachment over 01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:45.619 time and I it's 01:12:45.619 --> 01:12:52.210 I don't feel like I should have to defend this position in 01:12:52.210 --> 01:12:53.699 an instance 01:12:53.699 --> 01:12:57.569 where we're elect where we can elect to just maintain the 01:12:57.569 --> 01:12:58.739 status quo as it 01:12:58.739 --> 01:13:03.590 applies to residential neighborhoods but then create the 01:13:03.590 --> 01:13:04.739 new as for-profit 01:13:04.739 --> 01:13:09.119 assembly hall definition and allow that to apply to mixed- 01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:10.300 use commercial and 01:13:10.300 --> 01:13:16.579 industrial. It seems like a very technical problem that we 01:13:16.579 --> 01:13:17.859 're addressing 01:13:17.859 --> 01:13:22.880 the tools for which we already have at our disposal and 01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:25.100 therefore I'm for that 01:13:25.100 --> 01:13:28.880 sort of dorky policy reason against the idea of a broad 01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:30.739 redefinition that would 01:13:30.739 --> 01:13:37.710 suddenly change and affect all neighborhood zones and yeah 01:13:37.710 --> 01:13:38.619 the the 01:13:38.619 --> 01:13:42.470 prospect of gradual encroachment one here one there one 01:13:42.470 --> 01:13:44.100 there and by the way I 01:13:44.100 --> 01:13:47.590 mean if you are comfortable with it now and you believe 01:13:47.590 --> 01:13:49.779 that you would give such 01:13:49.779 --> 01:13:53.800 as a special use application very high scrutiny and really 01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:55.020 give it a you know 01:13:55.020 --> 01:13:58.500 what's to say of the Commission five years or ten years 01:13:58.500 --> 01:13:59.739 from now or the City 01:13:59.739 --> 01:14:03.340 Council five years or ten years from now I think it's 01:14:03.340 --> 01:14:05.380 better just as least as it 01:14:05.380 --> 01:14:08.899 applies to neighborhood uses to please just continue to 01:14:08.899 --> 01:14:11.100 restrict the way it is 01:14:11.100 --> 01:14:15.420 currently and to if you want add create the new assembly 01:14:15.420 --> 01:14:16.899 for-profit definition 01:14:16.899 --> 01:14:19.760 and apply it to commercial and industrial uses. I think 01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:20.500 staff wants to 01:14:20.500 --> 01:14:24.449 add and clarify a little bit more as well. Thank you Chair 01:14:24.449 --> 01:14:26.380 person. Just to 01:14:26.380 --> 01:14:29.600 iterate and to so that we're all on the same page the 01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:31.180 definition in essence it 01:14:31.180 --> 01:14:35.560 has been broadened to an extent you're absolutely right but 01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:36.699 the definition in 01:14:36.699 --> 01:14:39.869 its the initial definition the definition how it is how it 01:14:39.869 --> 01:14:40.779 reads in the Denton 01:14:40.779 --> 01:14:45.380 Development Code is extremely restrictive. We didn't staff 01:14:45.380 --> 01:14:46.420 when they 01:14:46.420 --> 01:14:50.399 when we evaluated this land use we read the existing land 01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:51.899 use which in a way was 01:14:51.899 --> 01:14:57.140 coined to only accommodate a certain type. That being said 01:14:57.140 --> 01:14:58.340 and doing our 01:14:58.340 --> 01:15:01.340 benchmark studies and evaluating what is going on in other 01:15:01.340 --> 01:15:02.420 communities because 01:15:02.420 --> 01:15:06.640 the number of queries that staff received on these types of 01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:07.220 uses of 01:15:07.220 --> 01:15:09.949 facilities because we have to be able to fit a specific 01:15:09.949 --> 01:15:10.979 land use within the 01:15:10.979 --> 01:15:14.369 category and that's why we have the schedule of uses. So 01:15:14.369 --> 01:15:15.460 there's several 01:15:15.460 --> 01:15:18.869 scenarios that are at play. One is when you look at our NR1 01:15:18.869 --> 01:15:20.539 and NR2 zoning 01:15:20.539 --> 01:15:26.489 districts most of them are Randstyle or rural in nature and 01:15:26.489 --> 01:15:28.140 if you recall Miss 01:15:28.140 --> 01:15:31.140 Wyatt just spoke to that that you know someone wants to do 01:15:31.140 --> 01:15:32.180 some type of farming 01:15:32.180 --> 01:15:35.560 activity associated with the banquet hall or a wedding 01:15:35.560 --> 01:15:37.220 venue it it creates 01:15:37.220 --> 01:15:40.319 there is a market niche for that. The next question we 01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:41.619 asked ourselves are we 01:15:41.619 --> 01:15:45.340 just accommodating a specific user or should we reevaluate 01:15:45.340 --> 01:15:46.659 and understand what 01:15:46.659 --> 01:15:50.229 are the impacts of this use within our community because we 01:15:50.229 --> 01:15:51.300 know as Commissioner 01:15:51.300 --> 01:15:53.380 Hudspeth said that there are scenarios where you know where 01:15:53.380 --> 01:15:54.380 it specifically says 01:15:54.380 --> 01:15:58.340 for non-profit. That being said we went back to our 01:15:58.340 --> 01:15:59.619 benchmarking and when you 01:15:59.619 --> 01:16:02.619 look at larger residential zoning districts which have 01:16:02.619 --> 01:16:03.460 higher density as 01:16:03.460 --> 01:16:07.060 an example most a lot of them not most of them but quite a 01:16:07.060 --> 01:16:07.859 few of them have for 01:16:07.859 --> 01:16:11.170 instance club houses or pools or venues which enables them 01:16:11.170 --> 01:16:12.100 to utilize that 01:16:12.100 --> 01:16:14.640 facility if you look at some residential communities who 01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:15.539 perhaps have a golf 01:16:15.539 --> 01:16:18.560 course associated with them and that clubhouse associated 01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:19.899 with it you can use 01:16:19.899 --> 01:16:23.020 that facility for a venue for example so we use that 01:16:23.020 --> 01:16:24.739 benchmarking study but we 01:16:24.739 --> 01:16:28.829 went another step further and that step was let's not 01:16:28.829 --> 01:16:30.420 permit these uses by right 01:16:30.420 --> 01:16:33.789 let's establish a specific use permit for these because 01:16:33.789 --> 01:16:34.899 that enables us to 01:16:34.899 --> 01:16:39.750 evaluate that specific small use you know as you're calling 01:16:39.750 --> 01:16:41.060 it at a in 01:16:41.060 --> 01:16:44.340 comparison with what is surrounding that what is the 01:16:44.340 --> 01:16:46.020 compatibility of that use 01:16:46.020 --> 01:16:49.520 that SUP will enable us to determine whether in if it 01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:51.140 indeed is appropriate 01:16:51.140 --> 01:16:55.659 and compatible with the existing land uses surrounding it 01:16:55.659 --> 01:16:57.020 and as a future land 01:16:57.020 --> 01:17:01.609 use and that SUP would have a site plan tied to it it would 01:17:01.609 --> 01:17:02.340 have a landscape 01:17:02.340 --> 01:17:04.840 plan tied to it it would have elevations tied to it because 01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:05.819 more than likely it 01:17:05.819 --> 01:17:10.420 would grow out of that existing facility furthermore the 01:17:10.420 --> 01:17:12.100 specific use permit would 01:17:12.100 --> 01:17:15.420 address noise it would address traffic issues it would 01:17:15.420 --> 01:17:16.699 address the occupancy 01:17:16.699 --> 01:17:19.430 loads and the levels to determine would this actually work 01:17:19.430 --> 01:17:20.939 can we sustain that 01:17:20.939 --> 01:17:24.810 use within the community it's being proposed in that's 01:17:24.810 --> 01:17:26.300 where the SUP comes 01:17:26.300 --> 01:17:30.869 into play unfortunately a variance request wouldn't because 01:17:30.869 --> 01:17:31.659 you can't just 01:17:31.659 --> 01:17:35.439 rezone a tiny piece within the larger area because then it 01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:36.060 leads to 01:17:36.060 --> 01:17:39.229 incompatibility so you know and I know your your thought 01:17:39.229 --> 01:17:40.619 process and your logic 01:17:40.619 --> 01:17:45.039 as it relates to the definition is correct but we went that 01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:46.020 extra mile and 01:17:46.020 --> 01:17:49.210 we evaluated and tried to determine the compatibility of 01:17:49.210 --> 01:17:50.380 and that's why in the 01:17:50.380 --> 01:17:53.380 non-residential districts as you've pointed out it's 01:17:53.380 --> 01:17:54.539 permitted by right as 01:17:54.539 --> 01:17:57.949 well so when it comes to the residential categories of 01:17:57.949 --> 01:18:00.020 districts it gives us a 01:18:00.020 --> 01:18:05.960 keener eye on it we we have an evaluation that has to occur 01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:07.100 with that 01:18:07.100 --> 01:18:14.250 land use in the instance of an SUP consideration absolutely 01:18:14.250 --> 01:18:14.779 which would 01:18:14.779 --> 01:18:18.699 warrant the public hearing process 01:18:22.100 --> 01:18:25.579 Commissioner Daddowicz thank you staff and I think what I'd 01:18:25.579 --> 01:18:28.260 like you to do is go 01:18:28.260 --> 01:18:32.109 through the SUP approval process because not only does it 01:18:32.109 --> 01:18:33.340 is it aired here 01:18:33.340 --> 01:18:36.930 correct it also is brought to the attention of City Council 01:18:36.930 --> 01:18:37.579 so that 01:18:37.579 --> 01:18:41.560 scrutiny gets very very finite and we all look at it at two 01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:43.500 levels so if you 01:18:43.500 --> 01:18:47.159 wanted to expand upon that you for more clarification thank 01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:47.699 you Commissioner 01:18:47.699 --> 01:18:52.020 Daddowicz actually you did you handled it well you 01:18:52.020 --> 01:18:53.699 addressed it perfectly the 01:18:53.699 --> 01:18:57.140 specific use permit is a public hearing process that 01:18:57.140 --> 01:18:58.939 involves property owners 01:18:58.939 --> 01:19:02.310 within 200 feet are notified of the request the city of 01:19:02.310 --> 01:19:04.180 Denton actually does 01:19:04.180 --> 01:19:07.180 an extra notification layer and we also send our 01:19:07.180 --> 01:19:09.140 notification within 500 foot 01:19:09.140 --> 01:19:13.500 radius of the request that then is slated for a Planning 01:19:13.500 --> 01:19:14.420 and Zoning 01:19:14.420 --> 01:19:18.020 Commission meeting where the public is welcome to attend 01:19:18.020 --> 01:19:19.060 and voice their 01:19:19.060 --> 01:19:22.720 concerns if any associated with the request at that point 01:19:22.720 --> 01:19:23.899 the Planning and 01:19:23.899 --> 01:19:26.550 Zoning Commission makes a recommendation it can be in favor 01:19:26.550 --> 01:19:27.659 or it can be against 01:19:27.659 --> 01:19:30.670 the request that recommendation is then forwarded on to 01:19:30.670 --> 01:19:32.859 City Council again those 01:19:32.859 --> 01:19:37.300 note notices are published a newspaper notice goes out 01:19:37.300 --> 01:19:38.699 establishing that this 01:19:38.699 --> 01:19:41.699 zoning case is happening the City Council then makes a 01:19:41.699 --> 01:19:42.340 determination based 01:19:42.340 --> 01:19:46.659 on that now what does that land use analysis reflect in the 01:19:46.659 --> 01:19:47.539 report there are 01:19:47.539 --> 01:19:50.090 several criteria in the Denton Development Code that have 01:19:50.090 --> 01:19:50.539 to be looked 01:19:50.539 --> 01:19:55.810 at from traffic compatibility of land use noise lighting 01:19:55.810 --> 01:19:57.260 glare and illumination 01:19:57.260 --> 01:20:01.760 landscaping are they any extra mechanisms that need to be 01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:02.420 attached to 01:20:02.420 --> 01:20:06.550 this to ensure that it's compatible from an aesthetic 01:20:06.550 --> 01:20:09.060 standpoint or from a land 01:20:09.060 --> 01:20:13.149 use compatibility standpoint so there are two levels of 01:20:13.149 --> 01:20:14.539 scrutiny as Commissioner 01:20:14.539 --> 01:20:18.220 Dudowitz stated and once a special use permit is granted it 01:20:18.220 --> 01:20:20.420 is a vested right 01:20:20.420 --> 01:20:23.949 specific use permits can be unlimited or they can be tied 01:20:23.949 --> 01:20:27.220 to a certain lifespan 01:20:32.539 --> 01:20:37.739 well as a Hail Mary maybe including in the definition that 01:20:37.739 --> 01:20:38.819 the specific for 01:20:38.819 --> 01:20:42.479 this particular thing if it's a special use permit for 01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:43.619 these assembly type 01:20:43.619 --> 01:20:47.539 things in zoning residential neighborhoods attaching a 01:20:47.539 --> 01:20:48.300 provision that 01:20:48.300 --> 01:20:51.970 these need to be revisited and reviewed by staff on a 01:20:51.970 --> 01:20:53.739 regular annual or you know 01:20:53.739 --> 01:20:56.739 two-year basis or what have you because as you said 01:20:56.739 --> 01:20:58.380 conditions change maybe it 01:20:58.380 --> 01:21:00.380 gets a little bit bigger the business gets a little bit 01:21:00.380 --> 01:21:01.539 bigger than 01:21:01.539 --> 01:21:05.439 originally conceived maybe it's having a little more impact 01:21:05.439 --> 01:21:06.579 on the neighborhood 01:21:06.579 --> 01:21:10.359 than originally expected so if it does get bigger let's 01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:11.220 assume they want to 01:21:11.220 --> 01:21:13.800 expand they would have to come back in to revise that 01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:14.859 specific use permit 01:21:14.859 --> 01:21:20.260 through the public hearing process again yes and just to 01:21:20.260 --> 01:21:23.699 reiterate the SUP is 01:21:23.699 --> 01:21:28.140 specific to that particular request and it stays there and 01:21:28.140 --> 01:21:29.539 a time frame is set 01:21:29.539 --> 01:21:33.859 it and review as per the recommendation so it's very 01:21:33.859 --> 01:21:34.859 specific it can't be 01:21:34.859 --> 01:21:38.300 broadened anymore can't be used someplace else right it's 01:21:38.300 --> 01:21:38.779 just that 01:21:38.779 --> 01:21:42.199 specific get used and the public has a right to let us know 01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:43.220 what they think 01:21:43.220 --> 01:21:46.380 each and every time that comes up so can the specific use 01:21:46.380 --> 01:21:47.779 permit is it is it run 01:21:47.779 --> 01:21:51.949 with the land or is it unique to the person in other words 01:21:51.949 --> 01:21:52.899 could someone 01:21:52.899 --> 01:21:55.159 establish a business in a neighborhood and then sell it to 01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:55.859 an out-of-town 01:21:55.859 --> 01:21:58.359 business owner and they could just come in and still have 01:21:58.359 --> 01:21:59.180 that special use 01:21:59.180 --> 01:22:03.100 permit right it would depend on the application itself 01:22:03.100 --> 01:22:04.140 sometimes it runs 01:22:04.140 --> 01:22:08.539 with the applicant as well as the land itself so they could 01:22:08.539 --> 01:22:10.460 go both okay it's 01:22:10.460 --> 01:22:13.039 these technical details that I wish neighborhood residents 01:22:13.039 --> 01:22:13.699 wouldn't even 01:22:13.699 --> 01:22:18.779 have to start wouldn't even have to address but I realize 01:22:18.779 --> 01:22:20.539 that y'all feel 01:22:20.539 --> 01:22:25.819 confident in the special use permit process so I thank you 01:22:25.819 --> 01:22:26.899 for your comments 01:22:26.899 --> 01:22:32.800 thank you we did close the public hearing so we're hoping 01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:34.500 for discussion 01:22:34.500 --> 01:22:38.460 or comment or for a motion Commissioner Netherlands if 01:22:38.460 --> 01:22:39.140 there's no further 01:22:39.140 --> 01:22:43.060 discussion I move to approve is submitted with emphasis on 01:22:43.060 --> 01:22:44.100 specific use 01:22:44.100 --> 01:22:47.899 permit process 01:22:48.140 --> 01:22:54.720 Commissioner Beck I said get the motion any further 01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:58.020 discussion seeing none we 01:22:58.020 --> 01:23:02.869 have a first and a second on the board and I'll call for a 01:23:02.869 --> 01:23:09.739 vote this motion 01:23:09.739 --> 01:23:16.420 carries 6-0 we're now going to move back up to item E and I 01:23:16.420 --> 01:23:17.439 will open the public 01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:21.899 hearing for item E on the mobility plan 01:23:47.439 --> 01:24:03.739 should I begin yes sir okay good evening you know I had 01:24:03.739 --> 01:24:04.899 done a presentation in 01:24:04.899 --> 01:24:08.579 the last public hearing and I will quickly go over that for 01:24:08.579 --> 01:24:09.619 the audience's 01:24:09.619 --> 01:24:13.260 benefit as to what we covered we looked at the why we 01:24:13.260 --> 01:24:16.300 update a mobility plan we 01:24:16.300 --> 01:24:19.619 looked at the travel demand model which is a computer model 01:24:19.619 --> 01:24:20.739 that has been done 01:24:20.739 --> 01:24:26.340 for the Dunn Street Network that is a master planning model 01:24:26.340 --> 01:24:27.859 it provides all of 01:24:27.859 --> 01:24:31.260 the traffic data and it provides what streets are operating 01:24:31.260 --> 01:24:32.300 under different 01:24:32.300 --> 01:24:37.710 level of service it also was used to do the projections for 01:24:37.710 --> 01:24:38.300 the build out 01:24:38.300 --> 01:24:41.750 conditions which will be a fully built out condition based 01:24:41.750 --> 01:24:42.979 on the land use plan 01:24:42.979 --> 01:24:48.779 that we have received and we updated the mobility plan of 01:24:48.779 --> 01:24:50.659 with the new roads 01:24:50.659 --> 01:24:54.779 which were already approved master plan communities which 01:24:54.779 --> 01:24:55.739 is like hills of Dunn 01:24:55.739 --> 01:25:01.819 coal ranch hunter ranch and then the annex areas that city 01:25:01.819 --> 01:25:03.020 has annexed there's 01:25:03.020 --> 01:25:06.079 no road designation there so we added all those into the 01:25:06.079 --> 01:25:08.460 mobility plan and in the 01:25:08.460 --> 01:25:11.060 last public hearing we had some comments we have responded 01:25:11.060 --> 01:25:11.979 to the comments and 01:25:11.979 --> 01:25:15.489 then in particular I wanted to talk about three of those 01:25:15.489 --> 01:25:16.579 which is the post 01:25:16.579 --> 01:25:21.550 work option the Collins Laney Road extensions it is a court 01:25:21.550 --> 01:25:22.899 order that I 01:25:22.899 --> 01:25:26.270 had shared with you in the work session and then the Golden 01:25:26.270 --> 01:25:27.340 Circle Cooper Creek 01:25:27.340 --> 01:25:32.500 Road extension which is the north part of the city there 01:25:41.979 --> 01:25:55.739 so I'm going to share with you you have in your packet a 01:25:55.739 --> 01:25:58.699 map that is a little 01:25:58.699 --> 01:26:04.880 dated now this one is being updated to meet the comments 01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:06.619 that came to us after 01:26:06.619 --> 01:26:10.020 the last public hearing so this is what we will use as the 01:26:10.020 --> 01:26:11.300 official document and 01:26:11.300 --> 01:26:18.130 talk off of it and I lost that for you so you can see it a 01:26:18.130 --> 01:26:22.140 little better oops 01:26:29.979 --> 01:26:34.829 okay so we're going to talk about the post oak initially 01:26:34.829 --> 01:26:35.899 when we presented it 01:26:35.899 --> 01:26:40.520 we had post oak actually going along the Clear Creek nature 01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:43.420 preserve and we found 01:26:43.420 --> 01:26:46.420 that that was not the best option because of some 01:26:46.420 --> 01:26:47.739 restrictions that we 01:26:47.739 --> 01:26:52.970 have so we came back and presented to you in the work 01:26:52.970 --> 01:26:54.619 session last week and 01:26:54.619 --> 01:27:00.340 today of course to look at the option A and the option B 01:27:00.340 --> 01:27:02.300 option B does run 01:27:02.300 --> 01:27:07.189 through some existing developed property the option A is in 01:27:07.189 --> 01:27:08.899 more of a green field 01:27:08.899 --> 01:27:12.329 area and as that green field area develops the city will 01:27:12.329 --> 01:27:13.340 have a chance to 01:27:13.340 --> 01:27:16.409 then acquire the right-of-way in those areas so this is a 01:27:16.409 --> 01:27:17.899 better option that is 01:27:17.899 --> 01:27:21.329 a substantial amount of traffic that has to come on post 01:27:21.329 --> 01:27:23.460 oak road to relieve some 01:27:23.460 --> 01:27:27.640 of the traffic that's going to go on Mayhill Road this will 01:27:27.640 --> 01:27:28.699 account for over 01:27:28.699 --> 01:27:34.380 25,000 trips on this option going north in this area so my 01:27:34.380 --> 01:27:35.619 recommendation is to 01:27:35.619 --> 01:27:39.539 use the option A and as we go later on in the 01:27:39.539 --> 01:27:40.420 recommendation we will show you 01:27:40.420 --> 01:27:51.060 that the second item was the Collins Street connection 01:27:51.060 --> 01:27:56.460 which is right in this 01:27:56.460 --> 01:28:00.050 area and what we found there was a entry in the 01:28:00.050 --> 01:28:03.100 Commissioner's Court and a order 01:28:03.100 --> 01:28:10.510 was taken which actually working with the railroad railroad 01:28:10.510 --> 01:28:12.180 itself the 01:28:12.180 --> 01:28:18.539 Collins Road connection here it does not cross the railroad 01:28:18.539 --> 01:28:20.420 anymore it terminates 01:28:20.420 --> 01:28:23.939 south and then it again starts on the north side but it 01:28:23.939 --> 01:28:25.060 does not cross the 01:28:25.060 --> 01:28:28.949 railroad track city had initiated that because they wanted 01:28:28.949 --> 01:28:29.579 to have another 01:28:29.579 --> 01:28:32.630 crossing in different part of the town so they had to then 01:28:32.630 --> 01:28:33.539 do away with one 01:28:33.539 --> 01:28:36.909 crossing city chose to do away with this crossing working 01:28:36.909 --> 01:28:38.100 with the neighborhood 01:28:38.100 --> 01:28:41.449 in at that time in this area so even if you want to we 01:28:41.449 --> 01:28:42.699 cannot go and cross 01:28:42.699 --> 01:28:45.529 Collins Road because we'll have to get permission from the 01:28:45.529 --> 01:28:46.739 railroad which 01:28:46.739 --> 01:28:50.140 doesn't come that easy so we did away with that connection 01:28:50.140 --> 01:28:51.039 and the extension 01:28:51.039 --> 01:28:58.729 of Lakeview and along here and also we have shown extension 01:28:58.729 --> 01:29:00.500 of Laney coming as 01:29:00.500 --> 01:29:03.720 a collector and tying in here with Collins that part has 01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:05.180 been taken out it 01:29:05.180 --> 01:29:08.819 does extend up to the post oak road so we have connectivity 01:29:08.819 --> 01:29:09.899 and a collector 01:29:09.899 --> 01:29:14.750 straight to serve this area so that is a change it is not 01:29:14.750 --> 01:29:15.260 part of the 01:29:15.260 --> 01:29:19.500 recommendation but it is change in the in the overall map 01:29:19.500 --> 01:29:21.340 the third comment was 01:29:21.340 --> 01:29:27.500 on the Golden Circle and the Cooper Creek Road as to their 01:29:27.500 --> 01:29:28.579 existing property 01:29:28.579 --> 01:29:32.689 owners and as we mentioned that property owners gonna be 01:29:32.689 --> 01:29:34.020 there anytime you extend 01:29:34.020 --> 01:29:37.630 a road it will go through somebody's property based on the 01:29:37.630 --> 01:29:39.100 model that we 01:29:39.100 --> 01:29:42.239 have put together for the built-out conditions there is 01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:43.460 more than 6,000 01:29:43.460 --> 01:29:46.720 trips per day on Cooper Creek Road and about a thousand 01:29:46.720 --> 01:29:47.960 trips on the Golden 01:29:47.960 --> 01:29:52.090 Circle whenever they develop this property maybe 20 years 01:29:52.090 --> 01:29:52.859 down the road or 01:29:52.859 --> 01:29:55.859 30 years down the road there will be a need for this 01:29:55.859 --> 01:29:57.939 collector road so as part 01:29:57.939 --> 01:30:03.140 of the overall planning process it is our job to show you 01:30:03.140 --> 01:30:04.960 that that there's a 01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:08.470 need for this road not at this time but down the road when 01:30:08.470 --> 01:30:08.979 the when these 01:30:08.979 --> 01:30:25.930 properties develop that we are need for this road okay so 01:30:25.930 --> 01:30:27.619 with that I'm going to 01:30:27.619 --> 01:30:31.130 move forward to the recommendation part the recommendations 01:30:31.130 --> 01:30:32.460 the staff has is to 01:30:32.460 --> 01:30:36.380 for approval of the travel demand model which is the master 01:30:36.380 --> 01:30:37.439 planning computer 01:30:37.439 --> 01:30:42.340 model which was used for the updates to the mobility plan 01:30:42.340 --> 01:30:43.819 with option a for 01:30:43.819 --> 01:30:46.829 post oak road and the addition of the Hickory Creek arter 01:30:46.829 --> 01:30:47.779 ial option in the 01:30:47.779 --> 01:30:53.460 mobility plan and I'll stand for any questions commissioner 01:30:53.460 --> 01:30:55.100 Brighill thank 01:30:55.100 --> 01:31:01.039 you chair PS can you last week we talked about extending 01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:01.979 the adding the 01:31:01.979 --> 01:31:05.529 Hickory Creek option to the south and it sounded like we 01:31:05.529 --> 01:31:06.819 could kind of go either 01:31:06.819 --> 01:31:11.100 way with that option in the end at the last meeting we 01:31:11.100 --> 01:31:11.899 decided to leave it in 01:31:11.899 --> 01:31:16.229 just to have that option for tonight's session could you 01:31:16.229 --> 01:31:17.560 walk me through the 01:31:17.560 --> 01:31:22.880 arguments for or against the Hickory Creek option in the 01:31:22.880 --> 01:31:24.539 argument that was 01:31:24.539 --> 01:31:28.539 there is the connectivity of the west side of the town to 01:31:28.539 --> 01:31:29.840 the east side of the 01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:34.699 town in the southern portion of the city so that currently 01:31:34.699 --> 01:31:35.939 we do not have 01:31:35.939 --> 01:31:41.800 this option that takes off from country club road in this 01:31:41.800 --> 01:31:43.220 area right here and 01:31:43.220 --> 01:31:48.949 then extends this road crossing Hickory Creek and ties into 01:31:48.949 --> 01:31:51.659 2181 can be done 01:31:51.659 --> 01:31:54.659 because there is no development there over time if we do 01:31:54.659 --> 01:31:55.539 establish this 01:31:55.539 --> 01:31:59.760 routing then as the property is developed in that area then 01:31:59.760 --> 01:32:00.500 the city 01:32:00.500 --> 01:32:04.140 will have a chance to then acquire right away especially if 01:32:04.140 --> 01:32:05.340 we go with the 01:32:05.340 --> 01:32:09.880 road impact fees then they can be compensated for the right 01:32:09.880 --> 01:32:10.859 away as part 01:32:10.859 --> 01:32:15.710 of the development process so it establishes a routing the 01:32:15.710 --> 01:32:16.619 stock becomes 01:32:16.619 --> 01:32:19.859 aware that there will be a road that will be in this area 01:32:19.859 --> 01:32:21.140 and as the 01:32:21.140 --> 01:32:24.489 development comes in the DRC engineers they look at the 01:32:24.489 --> 01:32:26.500 mobility plan and they'll 01:32:26.500 --> 01:32:31.020 say okay this road is crossing this area so let us see does 01:32:31.020 --> 01:32:31.859 it affect your 01:32:31.859 --> 01:32:35.439 property and if it does then they will work on getting that 01:32:35.439 --> 01:32:36.699 right away exacted 01:32:36.699 --> 01:32:40.569 as part of the development process okay thank you I had 01:32:40.569 --> 01:32:42.180 asked a question to a 01:32:42.180 --> 01:32:45.760 camera if it was last week or the week before about clearly 01:32:45.760 --> 01:32:47.579 defining bike lane 01:32:47.579 --> 01:32:52.850 in the in the new in the new road requirements did you ever 01:32:52.850 --> 01:32:53.739 come up with a 01:32:53.739 --> 01:32:56.739 definition of what a bike lane is I mean are we just 01:32:56.739 --> 01:32:58.140 talking about and I know 01:32:58.140 --> 01:33:01.159 part of this was context-sensitive but I was just hoping 01:33:01.159 --> 01:33:02.340 for a firmer definition 01:33:02.340 --> 01:33:04.590 are we talking about a wide outside lane are we talking 01:33:04.590 --> 01:33:05.420 about Sharos are we 01:33:05.420 --> 01:33:11.750 talking about a painted stripe or a buffer somehow if you 01:33:11.750 --> 01:33:12.779 recall you know a 01:33:12.779 --> 01:33:18.539 few presentations back when I brought the contact sensitive 01:33:18.539 --> 01:33:20.500 solution information 01:33:20.500 --> 01:33:23.970 to you we had shared some cross-sections which are of 01:33:23.970 --> 01:33:25.659 course not part of the 01:33:25.659 --> 01:33:29.510 transportation criteria manual at this time what we have 01:33:29.510 --> 01:33:30.579 right now in the 01:33:30.579 --> 01:33:35.300 criteria manual are right away dedications for a primary 01:33:35.300 --> 01:33:35.939 arterial hundred 01:33:35.939 --> 01:33:40.649 and 135 feet for a secondary arterial 110 feet for new 01:33:40.649 --> 01:33:42.420 roads and for a 01:33:42.420 --> 01:33:47.380 collector's street 70 feet that much real estate let's call 01:33:47.380 --> 01:33:48.779 it the area within 01:33:48.779 --> 01:33:57.300 135 or 110 or 70 allows for dedicated bike bike lane if 01:33:57.300 --> 01:34:00.340 that is desired as part 01:34:00.340 --> 01:34:03.170 of the planning process and during construction so that 01:34:03.170 --> 01:34:04.180 during construction 01:34:04.180 --> 01:34:07.680 then if it is deemed that yes there's a need for a bike 01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:08.899 lane it can be 01:34:08.899 --> 01:34:12.859 constructed so it can be constructed in the sidewalk area 01:34:12.859 --> 01:34:14.100 so that sidewalk can 01:34:14.100 --> 01:34:17.779 be expanded instead of being a five foot sidewalk in our 01:34:17.779 --> 01:34:19.380 trio it can be a ten foot 01:34:19.380 --> 01:34:23.970 sidewalk that will accommodate bike traffic or if that is 01:34:23.970 --> 01:34:25.619 not the desire 01:34:25.619 --> 01:34:29.550 then there's enough room in the pavement area because the 01:34:29.550 --> 01:34:30.699 outside lane and the 01:34:30.699 --> 01:34:34.850 arterial is currently 18 feet so by striping you know a 01:34:34.850 --> 01:34:36.500 double stripe and 01:34:36.500 --> 01:34:40.529 that would allow for a actual bike bike lane in that area 01:34:40.529 --> 01:34:41.399 so so I want to be clear 01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:47.340 then so this new mobility plan update by default will any 01:34:47.340 --> 01:34:48.539 future road 01:34:48.539 --> 01:34:52.500 construction will by default be required to have by some 01:34:52.500 --> 01:34:53.619 sort of bike 01:34:53.619 --> 01:34:58.029 accommodation I've seen the sidewalks in your in your mock- 01:34:58.029 --> 01:34:59.819 ups but we didn't 01:34:59.819 --> 01:35:02.090 always I didn't again I didn't always see those bike lanes 01:35:02.090 --> 01:35:02.779 so I just want to 01:35:02.779 --> 01:35:06.520 be clear any any future road construction will include some 01:35:06.520 --> 01:35:06.939 sort of 01:35:06.939 --> 01:35:10.859 bike amenity well you know our city has a bike plan right 01:35:10.859 --> 01:35:12.220 now so wherever the 01:35:12.220 --> 01:35:15.810 bike plan is if there's a road constructed then the 01:35:15.810 --> 01:35:17.180 engineers need to 01:35:17.180 --> 01:35:20.439 accommodate the bike lane in that right but as I am pardon 01:35:20.439 --> 01:35:21.380 my inertia but as I 01:35:21.380 --> 01:35:24.529 said a couple weeks ago the bike plan currently only 01:35:24.529 --> 01:35:26.020 applies to the current 01:35:26.020 --> 01:35:29.170 streets that we have the mobility plan is looking at future 01:35:29.170 --> 01:35:30.180 streets and I just 01:35:30.180 --> 01:35:32.220 want to make sure that in 20 years we're not stuck with the 01:35:32.220 --> 01:35:32.939 same problem that we 01:35:32.939 --> 01:35:36.369 have now or we're trying to retrofit bike amenities when we 01:35:36.369 --> 01:35:37.340 could have been 01:35:37.340 --> 01:35:40.340 building for that all along yeah you know that is not 01:35:40.340 --> 01:35:41.180 currently in the 01:35:41.180 --> 01:35:44.399 criteria manual you I would suggest that if you would like 01:35:44.399 --> 01:35:45.539 to make that as part 01:35:45.539 --> 01:35:49.329 of a recommendation to the council so that it can be you 01:35:49.329 --> 01:35:50.739 know heard there in 01:35:50.739 --> 01:35:54.420 the council public hearing also I'll be happy to take it 01:35:54.420 --> 01:35:55.539 okay so that that is a 01:35:55.539 --> 01:35:57.819 motion we could make tonight is to of course you can add 01:35:57.819 --> 01:35:58.659 that to the motion 01:35:58.659 --> 01:36:17.210 okay thank you thank you and this is a public hearing got a 01:36:17.210 --> 01:36:18.260 number of cards this 01:36:18.260 --> 01:36:23.659 evening I'm gonna start with the first card that is not 01:36:23.659 --> 01:36:25.220 marked whether they 01:36:25.220 --> 01:36:29.090 are in support or not support where they wish to speak dr. 01:36:29.090 --> 01:36:31.460 Charles Browning or 01:36:31.460 --> 01:36:37.619 Browning as you come forward please state your name and 01:36:37.619 --> 01:36:39.020 address for the 01:36:39.020 --> 01:36:42.470 record and you'll have three minutes thank you my name is 01:36:42.470 --> 01:36:43.460 Charles Browning I 01:36:43.460 --> 01:36:49.170 live at 617 Emory in Denton Texas 76201 I'm in support of 01:36:49.170 --> 01:36:50.100 adding an amendment 01:36:50.100 --> 01:36:53.539 or some type of addition to the mobility plan that would 01:36:53.539 --> 01:36:54.939 require all new streets 01:36:54.939 --> 01:36:58.489 to be fitted with bike lanes and I would like to see an 01:36:58.489 --> 01:37:00.060 increase on the speed of 01:37:00.060 --> 01:37:02.920 the current bike plan we already have I haven't seen a 01:37:02.920 --> 01:37:04.539 whole lot of new bike 01:37:04.539 --> 01:37:08.439 lanes or say repairs to bike lanes that need to be made on 01:37:08.439 --> 01:37:10.939 Hickory the Hickory 01:37:10.939 --> 01:37:15.229 lane bike lane at this time is referred to many of my 01:37:15.229 --> 01:37:16.859 friends as a death trap 01:37:16.859 --> 01:37:22.260 there's often glass I've broken had tires flattened there I 01:37:22.260 --> 01:37:24.020 commute to UNT 01:37:24.020 --> 01:37:29.149 every day where I work probably commute probably 10 miles 01:37:29.149 --> 01:37:30.859 every day on average 01:37:30.859 --> 01:37:34.510 around didn't to take my daughter to school who also comm 01:37:34.510 --> 01:37:35.340 utes to Calhoun 01:37:35.340 --> 01:37:42.359 middle school I commute to get my groceries and I do this 01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:43.899 by choice it has 01:37:43.899 --> 01:37:46.760 a lot of benefits old personally and I think the city of 01:37:46.760 --> 01:37:47.699 Denton would also 01:37:47.699 --> 01:37:53.659 benefit for improving infrastructure for cyclists the cycl 01:37:53.659 --> 01:37:55.739 ists put less wear and 01:37:55.739 --> 01:37:59.779 tear on the road which causes allows you know tax mayors to 01:37:59.779 --> 01:38:01.380 have some relief from 01:38:01.380 --> 01:38:07.739 fixing those roads so the current mobility or the mobility 01:38:07.739 --> 01:38:08.300 plan y'all are 01:38:08.300 --> 01:38:11.420 considering I think if you make it more accommodating for 01:38:11.420 --> 01:38:13.100 cyclists more people 01:38:13.100 --> 01:38:20.060 who would put less impact on our environment promote clean 01:38:20.060 --> 01:38:21.060 air and a 01:38:21.060 --> 01:38:25.100 local healthy population would do that by by cycling on 01:38:25.100 --> 01:38:26.619 trips that are less 01:38:26.619 --> 01:38:29.760 than a mile or two miles there's not really any reason 01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:31.300 other than you have a 01:38:31.300 --> 01:38:33.560 small child or it's raining if you're a healthy fit 01:38:33.560 --> 01:38:34.819 individual with a bicycle 01:38:34.819 --> 01:38:39.300 and you feel it's safe I think that we should promote these 01:38:39.300 --> 01:38:41.060 activities not only 01:38:41.060 --> 01:38:43.369 for personal health but also for the health of our 01:38:43.369 --> 01:38:45.300 community and that's all I 01:38:45.300 --> 01:38:53.920 have to say but I'll be willing to take any questions thank 01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:56.539 you 01:39:11.060 --> 01:39:40.979 a little bit can you turn your mic on please sorry 01:39:40.979 --> 01:39:45.180 hope you got that 01:39:51.220 --> 01:39:59.949 the next card I have is Clay Thurmond and he does does wish 01:39:59.949 --> 01:40:06.260 to speak my name 01:40:06.260 --> 01:40:14.020 is Clay Thurmond my address is 1524 Snyder 76209 and I am a 01:40:14.020 --> 01:40:15.939 avid cyclist I 01:40:15.939 --> 01:40:22.069 cycle in the city out in the roads I love Denton because it 01:40:22.069 --> 01:40:23.100 's a very livable 01:40:23.100 --> 01:40:26.979 city and I would urge you to include that amendment that's 01:40:26.979 --> 01:40:27.819 been suggested to 01:40:27.819 --> 01:40:33.539 require cycling access on new mobility plans it has many 01:40:33.539 --> 01:40:35.180 many benefits to us 01:40:35.180 --> 01:40:44.819 sustainability green is a very powerful argument community 01:40:44.819 --> 01:40:47.140 is one of the big 01:40:47.140 --> 01:40:50.859 things that I get out of cycling having reengaged the 01:40:50.859 --> 01:40:54.619 cycling community I've 01:40:54.619 --> 01:40:59.079 expanded my own social contacts as I cycle around town I 01:40:59.079 --> 01:41:00.659 stop I talk to 01:41:00.659 --> 01:41:04.399 people at their houses their yards and I've engaged with 01:41:04.399 --> 01:41:05.939 the community so much 01:41:05.939 --> 01:41:09.220 more we can't do that when we're zipping around in cars 01:41:09.220 --> 01:41:10.939 pedestrians cyclists 01:41:10.939 --> 01:41:18.119 will do that I'd like to see the cycling infrastructure 01:41:18.119 --> 01:41:19.260 improved in this town 01:41:19.260 --> 01:41:24.699 like they've said hickory is horrible Hinkle is horrible 01:41:24.699 --> 01:41:25.899 there's many of them 01:41:25.899 --> 01:41:30.869 and many of them are disjointed not really connecting Dent 01:41:30.869 --> 01:41:32.140 on is an eminently 01:41:32.140 --> 01:41:37.670 livable place and from where I live just southeast of the 01:41:37.670 --> 01:41:40.420 TW golf course I can be 01:41:40.420 --> 01:41:43.510 almost anywhere in the city inside of 15 minutes I can be 01:41:43.510 --> 01:41:44.500 out in the country 01:41:44.500 --> 01:41:49.550 there's very few places this size that you could say that 01:41:49.550 --> 01:41:50.899 for and I think 01:41:50.899 --> 01:41:56.979 that's one of the draws for us to bring in younger workers 01:41:56.979 --> 01:41:58.659 families and that's 01:41:58.659 --> 01:42:01.659 another thing I want to see is cycling infrastructure 01:42:01.659 --> 01:42:02.899 improved so that that 01:42:02.899 --> 01:42:06.050 community can be developed I want to see children be able 01:42:06.050 --> 01:42:06.939 to ride down the 01:42:06.939 --> 01:42:09.949 streets I really like it when I go downtown and I see 01:42:09.949 --> 01:42:11.420 father with his 01:42:11.420 --> 01:42:16.710 toddler on her trike going down the street and I just like 01:42:16.710 --> 01:42:17.500 to see us become 01:42:17.500 --> 01:42:23.399 a much more livable community we can do it thank you thank 01:42:23.399 --> 01:42:24.579 you thank you sir I 01:42:24.579 --> 01:42:30.779 have a question commissioner Brickle thank you chair so I 01:42:30.779 --> 01:42:32.060 generally live kind 01:42:32.060 --> 01:42:34.260 of near your neighborhood and I can I can barely drive from 01:42:34.260 --> 01:42:35.140 one end of town in 01:42:35.140 --> 01:42:38.260 15 minutes to the other end so I'm just kind of curious as 01:42:38.260 --> 01:42:39.500 a cyclist how is 01:42:39.500 --> 01:42:45.489 traffic for you how's the congestion I pick my routes very 01:42:45.489 --> 01:42:47.699 carefully there are 01:42:47.699 --> 01:42:51.930 some streets I frequently go shopping I do a lot of grocery 01:42:51.930 --> 01:42:53.060 shopping I've 01:42:53.060 --> 01:42:58.470 probably eliminated 50% of my car travel but I go shopping 01:42:58.470 --> 01:42:59.260 down around the loop 01:42:59.260 --> 01:43:05.880 around the mall I will cycle to my ophthalmologist over off 01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:06.659 Bonnie Bray I 01:43:06.659 --> 01:43:10.829 can get almost everywhere and it's just mainly picking my 01:43:10.829 --> 01:43:12.260 routes very carefully 01:43:12.260 --> 01:43:17.140 and that for its safety are you talking my question I was 01:43:17.140 --> 01:43:18.100 trying to it was a 01:43:18.100 --> 01:43:20.250 little tongue-in-cheek there like how is how's the 01:43:20.250 --> 01:43:21.460 congestion for you out there 01:43:21.460 --> 01:43:23.189 on the roads when you're riding your bike and the rest of 01:43:23.189 --> 01:43:23.699 us are stuck in 01:43:23.699 --> 01:43:26.789 cars but it brings me to my next question is how since you 01:43:26.789 --> 01:43:27.539 do cycle 01:43:27.539 --> 01:43:31.180 everywhere do you pick your routes carefully because of 01:43:31.180 --> 01:43:32.539 traffic flows on 01:43:32.539 --> 01:43:35.319 on streets do you do you typically ride on streets that are 01:43:35.319 --> 01:43:36.180 more bike friendly 01:43:36.180 --> 01:43:38.909 than others or do you just take the straightest possible 01:43:38.909 --> 01:43:40.579 route I write on 01:43:40.579 --> 01:43:45.060 the arterials I ride on oak I ride on hickory Crescent is 01:43:45.060 --> 01:43:46.180 one of my favorite 01:43:46.180 --> 01:43:52.989 streets I ride on dust almost everything except Woodrow and 01:43:52.989 --> 01:43:56.060 Teasley which I would 01:43:56.060 --> 01:44:01.460 love to be able to get across 35 that's one of the big 01:44:01.460 --> 01:44:02.699 barriers we have in 01:44:02.699 --> 01:44:05.789 trying to promote cycling throughout the city is the 01:44:05.789 --> 01:44:07.380 southern and northern halves 01:44:07.380 --> 01:44:09.539 can't really get I agree and there is something in the bike 01:44:09.539 --> 01:44:10.260 plan to where 01:44:10.260 --> 01:44:12.800 there's supposed to be some sort of underpass to connect to 01:44:12.800 --> 01:44:13.500 the south side 01:44:13.500 --> 01:44:16.819 of the city but it's it's many years away unfortunately but 01:44:16.819 --> 01:44:17.859 I agree with you 01:44:17.859 --> 01:44:21.260 on that absolutely yeah but mostly it's picking it for 01:44:21.260 --> 01:44:24.659 traffic and safety thank 01:44:24.659 --> 01:44:27.880 you and I'd like to say that the Denton drivers I find to 01:44:27.880 --> 01:44:29.979 be fairly used to 01:44:29.979 --> 01:44:35.170 cyclists they see us a lot because the university there are 01:44:35.170 --> 01:44:35.739 a lot of people 01:44:35.739 --> 01:44:40.069 that can afford cars that are you see them bicycling every 01:44:40.069 --> 01:44:41.619 day to work so I 01:44:41.619 --> 01:44:45.710 think the awareness is there it can always be improved and 01:44:45.710 --> 01:44:46.859 the more 01:44:46.859 --> 01:44:50.779 infrastructure you build the more it's going to be used 01:44:50.779 --> 01:44:55.260 thank you thank you the 01:44:55.260 --> 01:45:05.000 next card I have is Adam Briggle following Adam will be 01:45:05.000 --> 01:45:07.300 looks like Kevin 01:45:07.300 --> 01:45:10.300 Beardshaw 01:45:13.779 --> 01:45:16.300 hi thank you for having my name is Adam Briggle 1315 01:45:16.300 --> 01:45:18.899 Dartmouth Place in Denton 01:45:18.899 --> 01:45:23.840 I'm here at the request of one of the planning and zoning 01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:25.779 commissioners to just 01:45:25.779 --> 01:45:32.250 tell a story every so we live just north of University and 01:45:32.250 --> 01:45:33.859 every morning I get up 01:45:33.859 --> 01:45:37.899 with my two children mg my son seven and Lulu who's three 01:45:37.899 --> 01:45:39.939 and we have bought a 01:45:39.939 --> 01:45:43.380 trailer for Lulu for my bicycle and she goes to school at 01:45:43.380 --> 01:45:44.779 UNT because she's that 01:45:44.779 --> 01:45:47.890 advanced and so she goes with me to UNT every day it's 01:45:47.890 --> 01:45:49.300 about a mile and a half 01:45:49.300 --> 01:45:54.000 mg will ride the first way to Newton razor on the pedal of 01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:55.180 my bicycle so I 01:45:55.180 --> 01:45:57.739 actually just be pushing the bike with mg on the pedal and 01:45:57.739 --> 01:45:58.659 Lulu in the back in 01:45:58.659 --> 01:46:04.789 the trailer in the first five blocks there's no sidewalk at 01:46:04.789 --> 01:46:05.899 all I'm sure that 01:46:05.899 --> 01:46:08.449 wasn't any of you who planned those it was back in the 60s 01:46:08.449 --> 01:46:09.380 and you're gonna do 01:46:09.380 --> 01:46:11.770 better at that now because that would be nice when you're 01:46:11.770 --> 01:46:12.979 going down Amherst and 01:46:12.979 --> 01:46:15.840 there's cars coming right at you and you're trying to 01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:17.460 shuttle two kids it 01:46:17.460 --> 01:46:19.899 gets a little bit scary so keep that in mind that there are 01:46:19.899 --> 01:46:20.939 people who want to 01:46:20.939 --> 01:46:23.800 commute this way and I've heard from a lot of folks that 01:46:23.800 --> 01:46:24.939 they sure would like 01:46:24.939 --> 01:46:27.329 to do that too but it's just sort of prohibitive given the 01:46:27.329 --> 01:46:28.100 infrastructure 01:46:28.100 --> 01:46:31.100 they have to deal with on the way to work we drop mg off at 01:46:31.100 --> 01:46:32.420 Newton razor and 01:46:32.420 --> 01:46:36.199 then I get on the bike and I ride with Lulu and we could go 01:46:36.199 --> 01:46:37.500 down Malone which I 01:46:37.500 --> 01:46:40.500 would do if I was on my own but there's really no 01:46:40.500 --> 01:46:41.859 indication that bicyclists 01:46:41.859 --> 01:46:44.689 really belong on Malone there's no charoes or bike lanes or 01:46:44.689 --> 01:46:45.420 anything it's a 01:46:45.420 --> 01:46:48.420 little bit quick to take a little one in a trailer so we 01:46:48.420 --> 01:46:50.300 take gober which is nice 01:46:50.300 --> 01:46:54.460 it's just a little bit out of the way and then we go up we 01:46:54.460 --> 01:46:55.659 hit scripture and 01:46:55.659 --> 01:46:58.970 we come up and then we go there's a nice share on as we 01:46:58.970 --> 01:47:00.539 come Jago or is that Jago 01:47:00.539 --> 01:47:04.020 there at that point and then campus is really well done I 01:47:04.020 --> 01:47:06.079 think for bicycles so 01:47:06.079 --> 01:47:09.920 I'm just want to share that story that there are folks who 01:47:09.920 --> 01:47:11.739 I think want to 01:47:11.739 --> 01:47:14.420 find options for all the reasons all the other people have 01:47:14.420 --> 01:47:15.699 been saying to bicycle 01:47:15.699 --> 01:47:18.560 and the decisions you're making about what the 01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:20.060 infrastructure looks like will 01:47:20.060 --> 01:47:22.630 determine if they can do that especially if they can do 01:47:22.630 --> 01:47:24.180 that safely and I feel 01:47:24.180 --> 01:47:27.529 like we can we can do it but it's a bit dicey especially 01:47:27.529 --> 01:47:28.939 crossing university 01:47:28.939 --> 01:47:32.680 which when it's done is going to be I think really scary 01:47:32.680 --> 01:47:33.979 and might be a point 01:47:33.979 --> 01:47:38.100 to rethink six lanes going really fast right by the school 01:47:38.100 --> 01:47:40.340 so there's that last 01:47:40.340 --> 01:47:43.869 thing I'll mention because I can't resist a little 01:47:43.869 --> 01:47:45.619 philosophy that so that's 01:47:45.619 --> 01:47:48.119 the story I want to make sure I got the story out but one 01:47:48.119 --> 01:47:48.739 of my favorite 01:47:48.739 --> 01:47:51.460 philosophers is Yvonne Illich and he talks about a concept 01:47:51.460 --> 01:47:52.100 of a radical 01:47:52.100 --> 01:47:56.060 monopoly which is not like Ford or Chevy exercising a 01:47:56.060 --> 01:47:58.020 monopoly but one particular 01:47:58.020 --> 01:48:01.609 transportation type in this case cars and I think cars too 01:48:01.609 --> 01:48:02.659 much exercise a 01:48:02.659 --> 01:48:05.060 radical monopoly on our roads and I know you're all trying 01:48:05.060 --> 01:48:06.140 to fix it but what 01:48:06.140 --> 01:48:09.579 that does is essentially put it puts the thumb on the scale 01:48:09.579 --> 01:48:10.859 for a certain kind of 01:48:10.859 --> 01:48:13.289 lifestyle which is a car centric lifestyle so this ideal 01:48:13.289 --> 01:48:14.100 that government 01:48:14.100 --> 01:48:16.340 is somehow neutral with respect to the way people want to 01:48:16.340 --> 01:48:18.100 live is not true so 01:48:18.100 --> 01:48:20.930 you're not neutral to begin with so let's take 01:48:20.930 --> 01:48:21.899 consideration of a multiple 01:48:21.899 --> 01:48:27.029 plants and multiple lifestyles so thanks got a question for 01:48:27.029 --> 01:48:27.220 you 01:48:27.220 --> 01:48:30.619 Commissioner Rossell Adam I appreciate you being here this 01:48:30.619 --> 01:48:32.380 evening we speak to 01:48:32.380 --> 01:48:36.119 the scripture part of the story because that road 01:48:36.119 --> 01:48:38.699 particularly seems hazardous 01:48:38.699 --> 01:48:42.609 and I would love your opinion on what the solution might be 01:48:42.609 --> 01:48:43.819 for scripture in 01:48:43.819 --> 01:48:47.850 terms of a sidewalk that's desperately needed there or like 01:48:47.850 --> 01:48:49.779 a share oh it seems 01:48:49.779 --> 01:48:51.760 like you need to accommodate pedestrians as well and that I 01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:52.500 'd love your opinion 01:48:52.500 --> 01:48:55.720 is since you see that daily I would love to see a sidewalk 01:48:55.720 --> 01:48:56.899 on scripture that is a 01:48:56.899 --> 01:49:00.060 tough part we only have one block on it thankfully but if 01:49:00.060 --> 01:49:01.020 if you're trying to 01:49:01.020 --> 01:49:06.300 commute down scripture I think well either one of those 01:49:06.300 --> 01:49:07.340 could work I think a 01:49:07.340 --> 01:49:09.829 sidewalk would be most effective my sense of that road when 01:49:09.829 --> 01:49:10.579 I'm on a bike is 01:49:10.579 --> 01:49:14.319 it kind of narrow and people are as it is are kind of kind 01:49:14.319 --> 01:49:15.300 of all over the place 01:49:15.300 --> 01:49:20.260 on that road so that definitely needs to be addressed I 01:49:20.260 --> 01:49:21.460 think a sidewalk would be 01:49:21.460 --> 01:49:25.010 would be great on scripture yeah thank you one more 01:49:25.010 --> 01:49:25.619 question for you 01:49:25.619 --> 01:49:30.869 Commissioner Hudson how you doing mr. Bruegel hey question 01:49:30.869 --> 01:49:33.380 so what is the as I 01:49:33.380 --> 01:49:37.300 understand it so we have two opposite ends so there's no 01:49:37.300 --> 01:49:38.859 mandatory bike lanes 01:49:38.859 --> 01:49:43.760 then there's all mandatory bike lanes what do you see in 01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:45.220 the middle I mean what 01:49:45.220 --> 01:49:52.579 is that what is a realistic vision for that in your opinion 01:49:52.579 --> 01:49:54.220 so much of this is 01:49:54.220 --> 01:49:57.699 cultural and not infrastructural you know it depends 01:49:57.699 --> 01:49:58.659 whether my commute goes 01:49:58.659 --> 01:50:01.520 well or not is how well the drivers treat me you know I can 01:50:01.520 --> 01:50:02.260 have a really 01:50:02.260 --> 01:50:04.829 grumpy morning when somebody figures that they can just 01:50:04.829 --> 01:50:05.699 pull right up to me 01:50:05.699 --> 01:50:08.529 like I'm not really there on the road so I know that's not 01:50:08.529 --> 01:50:09.500 your question but I 01:50:09.500 --> 01:50:12.680 think that's another whole dimension of this is to think 01:50:12.680 --> 01:50:13.579 about how do we 01:50:13.579 --> 01:50:17.560 accommodate that and so you're right I've seen the spectrum 01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:18.060 you're talking 01:50:18.060 --> 01:50:21.300 about I see all of it if you had to pick something in the 01:50:21.300 --> 01:50:22.260 middle I really like 01:50:22.260 --> 01:50:25.880 what had been recently redone on that strip of Jago where 01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:26.779 you have the 01:50:26.779 --> 01:50:30.500 Sharos and I think it works there really well because the 01:50:30.500 --> 01:50:31.659 road is wide enough so 01:50:31.659 --> 01:50:34.310 when I'm biking even with the trailer behind me and even if 01:50:34.310 --> 01:50:35.020 there's a car 01:50:35.020 --> 01:50:38.899 parked there it feels safe to be going down the middle of 01:50:38.899 --> 01:50:39.420 the road and if 01:50:39.420 --> 01:50:41.010 somebody wants to pass me as long as there's not a car 01:50:41.010 --> 01:50:41.779 coming the other way 01:50:41.779 --> 01:50:44.829 they can pass me and there's plenty of room there's not a 01:50:44.829 --> 01:50:46.220 sense of encroachment 01:50:46.220 --> 01:50:49.630 there so where I mean where Sharos can work I think again 01:50:49.630 --> 01:50:50.539 back to your question 01:50:50.539 --> 01:50:52.670 scripture I'm not sure because it it feels a little more cr 01:50:52.670 --> 01:50:53.300 amped but if you 01:50:53.300 --> 01:50:57.149 got a little bit more room my experiences those can work 01:50:57.149 --> 01:50:57.619 those can 01:50:57.619 --> 01:50:59.899 work well I think ideally though what's campus is so great 01:50:59.899 --> 01:51:00.619 when you go down 01:51:00.619 --> 01:51:03.619 Highland because they built dedicated bike lanes on bike 01:51:03.619 --> 01:51:04.579 lanes on both sides 01:51:04.579 --> 01:51:07.729 but I realize that's not an option in every case but that's 01:51:07.729 --> 01:51:08.739 that's the ideal 01:51:08.739 --> 01:51:14.739 does it does it help a little bit it does if I may you bet 01:51:14.739 --> 01:51:17.220 thank you so but 01:51:17.220 --> 01:51:22.729 really if I were to give direction and I say hey in a 01:51:22.729 --> 01:51:25.979 perfect world is it is it a 01:51:25.979 --> 01:51:28.800 percentage of streets how do you map that out right so that 01:51:28.800 --> 01:51:29.659 I if I can't say 01:51:29.659 --> 01:51:35.520 100% of the streets should have bike Sharos or bike lanes 01:51:35.520 --> 01:51:36.380 or some kind of 01:51:36.380 --> 01:51:41.060 dedication for bikes if I can't get there what is a good 01:51:41.060 --> 01:51:42.699 mandate to say in 01:51:42.699 --> 01:51:48.970 your opinion to say at least these main connector streets 01:51:48.970 --> 01:51:50.859 should have bike 01:51:50.859 --> 01:51:54.060 dedicated lanes or I don't know if I'm asking a good 01:51:54.060 --> 01:51:55.500 question but I know what 01:51:55.500 --> 01:51:58.729 I'm trying to say I would shoot for a hundred percent I 01:51:58.729 --> 01:51:59.859 mean keep that as a 01:51:59.859 --> 01:52:02.689 goal okay then I'm sure you all know better than me how to 01:52:02.689 --> 01:52:03.300 prioritize in 01:52:03.300 --> 01:52:06.159 terms of ridership and all that stuff which roads to go 01:52:06.159 --> 01:52:07.699 first but I think 01:52:07.699 --> 01:52:11.109 eventually if you want true parity in terms of how people 01:52:11.109 --> 01:52:12.260 choose to commute 01:52:12.260 --> 01:52:15.579 and not have the government essentially deciding for you or 01:52:15.579 --> 01:52:16.380 dictating that one 01:52:16.380 --> 01:52:18.899 way is preferable over another then you need to eventually 01:52:18.899 --> 01:52:19.500 get to a hundred 01:52:19.500 --> 01:52:21.939 percent and what you all are doing I take it as sort of 01:52:21.939 --> 01:52:22.939 paying for the sins 01:52:22.939 --> 01:52:25.939 of previous commissioners who didn't think about this stuff 01:52:25.939 --> 01:52:27.220 and so it's going 01:52:27.220 --> 01:52:31.500 to take a while but I wouldn't let go of that goal okay 01:52:31.500 --> 01:52:35.140 thank you yeah thank you 01:52:35.140 --> 01:52:39.100 to me one other question Commissioner Bruegel thank you 01:52:39.100 --> 01:52:40.060 chair actually was 01:52:40.060 --> 01:52:42.890 actually more a question for Commissioner Commissioner 01:52:42.890 --> 01:52:43.420 Hudson I know 01:52:43.420 --> 01:52:45.220 we're not quite to the point where we're going to be 01:52:45.220 --> 01:52:46.060 talking where we're 01:52:46.060 --> 01:52:49.409 discussing yet but what what what is keeping us from a 01:52:49.409 --> 01:52:50.819 hundred percent is it 01:52:50.819 --> 01:52:58.350 some cultural notion that okay you know I mean what is what 01:52:58.350 --> 01:52:58.819 is keeping us from 01:52:58.819 --> 01:53:01.220 getting to a hundred percent isn't that our role as as as 01:53:01.220 --> 01:53:02.220 planning and zoning 01:53:02.220 --> 01:53:03.989 commissioners and we're not we're not to that point yet we 01:53:03.989 --> 01:53:04.899 're having discussion 01:53:04.899 --> 01:53:07.119 yet but I just wanted to just kind of maybe plant that seed 01:53:07.119 --> 01:53:08.539 as work as we're 01:53:08.539 --> 01:53:11.399 listening to to the folks here tonight that what what is 01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:12.220 keeping us from 01:53:12.220 --> 01:53:15.590 getting to a hundred percent we'll continue that as we open 01:53:15.590 --> 01:53:16.260 for discussion 01:53:16.260 --> 01:53:21.819 let's continue with our public hearing next up again is 01:53:21.819 --> 01:53:25.420 Kevin Beecher and then 01:53:25.420 --> 01:53:33.539 after that yes Collins road yes sir and after that Michael 01:53:33.539 --> 01:53:36.020 Hinnan 01:53:39.220 --> 01:53:45.350 Kevin Bradshaw 2052 Collins Road okay now I hope I'm not 01:53:45.350 --> 01:53:48.380 shooting in the dark 01:53:48.380 --> 01:53:53.789 here I just got called that the city has a plan to run a 01:53:53.789 --> 01:53:56.539 six-lane highway through 01:53:56.539 --> 01:54:01.939 my front yard now I don't know for sure I didn't see the 01:54:01.939 --> 01:54:04.260 earlier speaker but I 01:54:04.260 --> 01:54:07.819 or else I'd have had my 40 neighbors with their pitchforks 01:54:07.819 --> 01:54:08.739 and torches up 01:54:08.739 --> 01:54:13.350 here with me but we've already made our sacrifice to the 01:54:13.350 --> 01:54:14.140 city and I don't know 01:54:14.140 --> 01:54:20.239 if there's any truth to this yet but we've already made our 01:54:20.239 --> 01:54:21.699 sacrifice by 01:54:21.699 --> 01:54:25.569 giving up our railroad crossing we don't have anywhere for 01:54:25.569 --> 01:54:26.699 a six-lane highway to 01:54:26.699 --> 01:54:31.210 go to and I certainly don't need that much more noise we 01:54:31.210 --> 01:54:33.020 are already putting 01:54:33.020 --> 01:54:37.590 up with the wider highway when they widen 380 so we have 01:54:37.590 --> 01:54:39.380 deafening noise 01:54:39.380 --> 01:54:48.779 already so I would strongly encourage or discourage any 01:54:48.779 --> 01:54:52.060 additional sacrifice on 01:54:52.060 --> 01:54:55.920 our part to the city as we aren't in the city and if the 01:54:55.920 --> 01:54:57.659 city can't afford five 01:54:57.659 --> 01:55:01.140 hundred dollars to fix the Min the Copper Creek Bridge how 01:55:01.140 --> 01:55:01.779 are they going to 01:55:01.779 --> 01:55:06.060 afford the fight they'd have with putting in a new highway 01:55:06.060 --> 01:55:07.699 I what I also 01:55:07.699 --> 01:55:13.949 heard was that this was to go through the government core 01:55:13.949 --> 01:55:15.500 land and I don't 01:55:15.500 --> 01:55:18.329 believe they'd think much of that even though the city does 01:55:18.329 --> 01:55:19.180 have control over 01:55:19.180 --> 01:55:25.359 it and what effect would this have on your new sewer plant 01:55:25.359 --> 01:55:26.420 that you plan to 01:55:26.420 --> 01:55:30.970 build out on the Hanna Ranch so that's I'll try to catch up 01:55:30.970 --> 01:55:31.260 on the 01:55:31.260 --> 01:55:34.260 information but I didn't want to miss this opportunity well 01:55:34.260 --> 01:55:34.939 thank you for your 01:55:34.939 --> 01:55:37.770 comments and I think you excuse me I think we have a 01:55:37.770 --> 01:55:38.979 question okay for you as 01:55:38.979 --> 01:55:42.329 well and before I recognize the Commissioner the gentleman 01:55:42.329 --> 01:55:43.579 sitting right 01:55:43.579 --> 01:55:47.260 there mr. Rorah can answer those questions right that yes 01:55:47.260 --> 01:55:47.899 sir I think 01:55:47.899 --> 01:55:51.560 your questions and concerns have been addressed as far as 01:55:51.560 --> 01:55:52.739 Collins road but I 01:55:52.739 --> 01:55:56.380 will recognize Commissioner Roselle for his question I 01:55:56.380 --> 01:55:57.739 thank you I probably just 01:55:57.739 --> 01:55:59.960 withdrawal this I was just going to suggest for the ed 01:55:59.960 --> 01:56:01.300 ification of the mapping to 01:56:01.300 --> 01:56:03.649 speak with staff to figure out exactly where the 01:56:03.649 --> 01:56:05.260 implications would be for your 01:56:05.260 --> 01:56:09.819 property so I agree with the chair okay 01:56:11.460 --> 01:56:16.760 and our next speaker will be Michael Hinnan followed by 01:56:16.760 --> 01:56:20.899 Katie Trice Michael 01:56:20.899 --> 01:56:25.880 Hinnan 724 Thomas Street in Denton I'm speaking in favor of 01:56:25.880 --> 01:56:27.180 the mobility plan 01:56:27.180 --> 01:56:30.260 but I want to echo some of the sentiments you've already 01:56:30.260 --> 01:56:31.020 heard about 01:56:31.020 --> 01:56:37.369 any kind of future plans that come before you that always 01:56:37.369 --> 01:56:39.819 should contain 01:56:39.819 --> 01:56:44.319 considerations for a bicycle and for pedestrian travel our 01:56:44.319 --> 01:56:46.500 cities are much 01:56:46.500 --> 01:56:50.850 more civilized and much more livable when they are on the 01:56:50.850 --> 01:56:52.380 scale of people who 01:56:52.380 --> 01:56:58.619 can walk around in our cities there's a whole movement 01:56:58.619 --> 01:57:00.579 dealing with making 01:57:00.579 --> 01:57:05.880 cities are much more pleasant places to be even when we're 01:57:05.880 --> 01:57:07.979 out walking from one 01:57:07.979 --> 01:57:11.489 place to another or bicycling from one place to another the 01:57:11.489 --> 01:57:14.100 speed of vehicle 01:57:14.100 --> 01:57:18.399 traffic in our cities should not be the main consideration 01:57:18.399 --> 01:57:20.380 and I urge you when 01:57:20.380 --> 01:57:24.949 you're looking at all proposals for highways in the future 01:57:24.949 --> 01:57:26.460 that they must as 01:57:26.460 --> 01:57:30.670 one of the previous speakers said they must contain 01:57:30.670 --> 01:57:32.819 accommodations not just 01:57:32.819 --> 01:57:40.619 possibilities but actual concrete or physical bicycle paths 01:57:40.619 --> 01:57:41.659 or and for 01:57:41.659 --> 01:57:46.600 pedestrians in sidewalks further when you have private 01:57:46.600 --> 01:57:47.899 parties coming before 01:57:47.899 --> 01:57:54.500 you seeking to alter or to develop property within the city 01:57:54.500 --> 01:57:55.340 that you always 01:57:55.340 --> 01:58:00.649 look at the accommodations that are being made for bicycle 01:58:00.649 --> 01:58:01.619 and pedestrian 01:58:01.619 --> 01:58:05.340 use around those properties including bicycle racks you 01:58:05.340 --> 01:58:06.699 know there's a lot of 01:58:06.699 --> 01:58:10.159 places in town where you end up looking for the nearest 01:58:10.159 --> 01:58:12.500 tree or the nearest sign 01:58:12.500 --> 01:58:16.420 post so whenever you have a business or some kind of a 01:58:16.420 --> 01:58:17.939 development that's 01:58:17.939 --> 01:58:23.350 proposed to you I urge you to keep in mind always how it's 01:58:23.350 --> 01:58:24.140 going to affect 01:58:24.140 --> 01:58:30.100 pedestrian and bicycle users I live over by McKenna Park on 01:58:30.100 --> 01:58:31.579 the west side of town 01:58:31.579 --> 01:58:37.420 and I try to ride my bike as often as I can to go to the 01:58:37.420 --> 01:58:39.659 core parts of the city 01:58:39.659 --> 01:58:42.880 and it's a two-fer you get where you're going and you get 01:58:42.880 --> 01:58:44.300 some exercise and at 01:58:44.300 --> 01:58:50.310 the same time I would urge you to look at the retrofitting 01:58:50.310 --> 01:58:52.140 of our streets for 01:58:52.140 --> 01:58:57.579 safe travel by pedestrians though scripture Street is one 01:58:57.579 --> 01:58:59.260 of the probably 01:58:59.260 --> 01:59:02.449 one of the highest categories I can think of because I see 01:59:02.449 --> 01:59:03.380 a lot of people 01:59:03.380 --> 01:59:10.060 walking along scripture between possibly Jago and down 01:59:10.060 --> 01:59:12.500 where body Bray runs and 01:59:12.500 --> 01:59:15.060 they're always walking in the street with the traffic and 01:59:15.060 --> 01:59:16.260 that's unacceptable 01:59:16.260 --> 01:59:22.100 thank you thank you thank you our next speaker will be 01:59:22.100 --> 01:59:22.500 Katie 01:59:22.500 --> 01:59:31.189 thrice followed by Todd Ellis hi I'm Katie tries 1401 Egan 01:59:31.189 --> 01:59:33.300 Denton Texas I I 01:59:33.300 --> 01:59:37.079 had the pleasure of serving with Commissioner Brighill on 01:59:37.079 --> 01:59:37.939 the bicycle 01:59:37.939 --> 01:59:42.800 plan task force that helped to create the bike plan and a 01:59:42.800 --> 01:59:44.340 lot of work went into 01:59:44.340 --> 01:59:47.899 those meetings and I was very proud to be able to serve 01:59:47.899 --> 01:59:50.500 with that team to 01:59:50.500 --> 01:59:54.500 represent the citizens and also the currency a community 01:59:54.500 --> 01:59:55.659 bike shop so much 01:59:55.659 --> 02:00:01.739 work has been put into that plan and we should certainly 02:00:01.739 --> 02:00:03.760 not consider taking 02:00:03.760 --> 02:00:07.829 away accommodation for bicyclists if anything we should be 02:00:07.829 --> 02:00:09.260 adding more more 02:00:09.260 --> 02:00:13.590 infrastructure for bicyclists to protect our most 02:00:13.590 --> 02:00:16.779 vulnerable users and to to 02:00:16.779 --> 02:00:20.649 omit paths that are in that plan would certainly be a diss 02:00:20.649 --> 02:00:22.060 ervice to the staff 02:00:22.060 --> 02:00:25.329 citizens volunteers and others that have contributed to 02:00:25.329 --> 02:00:27.420 date to the plan when you 02:00:27.420 --> 02:00:31.319 look at more progressive cities that are making biking a 02:00:31.319 --> 02:00:32.819 real priority you're 02:00:32.819 --> 02:00:36.340 seeing a lot of divided lanes so that you know when you 02:00:36.340 --> 02:00:37.739 think about our most 02:00:37.739 --> 02:00:40.279 vulnerable users you're thinking about the children that 02:00:40.279 --> 02:00:41.220 are biking to school 02:00:41.220 --> 02:00:44.819 and having some kind of divided lane that protects them is 02:00:44.819 --> 02:00:45.819 one of the best 02:00:45.819 --> 02:00:51.899 ways that they can feel safe as well as the older riders 02:00:51.899 --> 02:00:53.579 because we want to feel 02:00:53.579 --> 02:00:56.579 safe and we want to feel welcome and we want to feel as 02:00:56.579 --> 02:00:57.899 cyclists like we belong 02:00:57.899 --> 02:01:05.229 on the roads you know and we were in the bicycle plan task 02:01:05.229 --> 02:01:06.100 force we were 02:01:06.100 --> 02:01:10.020 restricted in some ways because of the road width and the 02:01:10.020 --> 02:01:11.619 parking requirements 02:01:11.619 --> 02:01:15.810 and so I absolutely want to encourage you to in the 02:01:15.810 --> 02:01:17.819 mobility plan with new 02:01:17.819 --> 02:01:21.479 developments where the roads haven't been created yet and 02:01:21.479 --> 02:01:22.180 the sidewalks 02:01:22.180 --> 02:01:30.699 haven't been created to really require the highest possible 02:01:30.699 --> 02:01:32.380 amenity for 02:01:32.380 --> 02:01:36.859 cyclists and that isn't definitely not a share-o and it is 02:01:36.859 --> 02:01:37.779 not a wide outside 02:01:37.779 --> 02:01:44.159 lane and it is not a side path only it is a divided bicycle 02:01:44.159 --> 02:01:50.779 lane yeah so in 02:01:50.779 --> 02:01:54.250 summary we want to feel safe as cyclists we want to feel 02:01:54.250 --> 02:01:55.460 welcome and we want to 02:01:55.460 --> 02:02:00.939 feel like we belong yeah and thank you so much thank you I 02:02:00.939 --> 02:02:01.380 don't see any 02:02:01.380 --> 02:02:04.539 questions did you have a question I just mostly had a 02:02:04.539 --> 02:02:05.420 comment Katie 02:02:05.420 --> 02:02:08.920 Commissioner Brickle thank you chair Katie I just I also 02:02:08.920 --> 02:02:09.460 had the great 02:02:09.460 --> 02:02:11.590 pleasure of serving on the bike plan task force with you it 02:02:11.590 --> 02:02:12.180 was like five or 02:02:12.180 --> 02:02:16.039 six years ago and I just wanted to for the record to thank 02:02:16.039 --> 02:02:17.300 Ms. Trice for her 02:02:17.300 --> 02:02:22.279 amazing work on that task force I remember that for a while 02:02:22.279 --> 02:02:22.899 staff was 02:02:22.899 --> 02:02:25.170 really pushing for that bike lane on Mulberry to get to 02:02:25.170 --> 02:02:26.020 campus and you're 02:02:26.020 --> 02:02:29.020 like no okay Greece the way to go and you really banged 02:02:29.020 --> 02:02:30.060 that drum and they 02:02:30.060 --> 02:02:33.060 finally listened so so that's on you so congratulations and 02:02:33.060 --> 02:02:33.899 thank you for your 02:02:33.899 --> 02:02:40.539 hard work thank you Commissioner Brickle. Todd Ellis the 02:02:40.539 --> 02:02:42.460 next card that I have be 02:02:42.460 --> 02:02:54.850 followed by Carl Gossett. Hi commissioners thanks for the 02:02:54.850 --> 02:02:55.439 chance to speak 02:02:55.439 --> 02:03:02.159 tonight my name is Todd Ellis I live at 3321 Rockhill Road 02:03:02.159 --> 02:03:03.460 in Aubrey where I 02:03:03.460 --> 02:03:08.689 only lived for two months I lived in Denton before that and 02:03:08.689 --> 02:03:10.619 I have been a 02:03:10.619 --> 02:03:16.500 bike commuter since 1983 starting in Denton and then for 02:03:16.500 --> 02:03:18.500 many years in San 02:03:18.500 --> 02:03:24.380 Antonio New Orleans Guam and Salt Lake City and all of 02:03:24.380 --> 02:03:25.579 those I've experienced 02:03:25.579 --> 02:03:28.579 the various infrastructure for biking or absence of 02:03:28.579 --> 02:03:30.140 infrastructure for biking and 02:03:30.140 --> 02:03:33.630 like every biker here one of the first things you figure 02:03:33.630 --> 02:03:34.699 out is where the 02:03:34.699 --> 02:03:38.140 death traps are so you don't ride there and so a lot of 02:03:38.140 --> 02:03:39.699 biking is about avoiding 02:03:39.699 --> 02:03:46.020 that but I'm definitely in support of obviously including 02:03:46.020 --> 02:03:47.539 accommodations in 02:03:47.539 --> 02:03:54.300 all future bike plans. It's hard to put 32 years of 02:03:54.300 --> 02:03:55.619 experience cycling in 02:03:55.619 --> 02:03:58.739 different cities into three minutes it's kind of like I 02:03:58.739 --> 02:04:00.119 could grab any number of 02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:03.119 things from my brain what I should that's convincing I 02:04:03.119 --> 02:04:06.260 really have no idea 02:04:10.180 --> 02:04:15.869 except other than what has been mentioned biking is doesn't 02:04:15.869 --> 02:04:16.659 seem like 02:04:16.659 --> 02:04:20.180 any other infrastructure decision because biking is a 02:04:20.180 --> 02:04:22.140 paradigm shift and 02:04:22.140 --> 02:04:28.079 it's a paradigm shift towards many things you know self-re 02:04:28.079 --> 02:04:28.579 liance 02:04:28.579 --> 02:04:34.659 sustainability local economy taking charge of your own 02:04:34.659 --> 02:04:36.220 health mental health 02:04:36.220 --> 02:04:40.180 I could go on and on about the benefits of cycling but it's 02:04:40.180 --> 02:04:41.500 not don't get it just 02:04:41.500 --> 02:04:44.869 as another infrastructure project but a paradigm shift that 02:04:44.869 --> 02:04:45.699 is the fastest 02:04:45.699 --> 02:04:51.340 growing mode of transportation in cities in the US. We know 02:04:51.340 --> 02:04:53.340 through studies done 02:04:53.340 --> 02:04:57.510 by the city of Oregon or city of Portland Oregon that a 02:04:57.510 --> 02:04:58.859 higher number of 02:04:58.859 --> 02:05:04.310 bicycles keeps more money circulating locally so for the 02:05:04.310 --> 02:05:05.859 money oriented among 02:05:05.859 --> 02:05:11.819 us that should be you know a carrot out there but it's a 02:05:11.819 --> 02:05:13.300 quality of life issue 02:05:13.300 --> 02:05:21.229 and I guess my struggle with city governments and 02:05:21.229 --> 02:05:25.060 governments in general 02:05:25.060 --> 02:05:31.189 is especially in the US is it seems to all be about you 02:05:31.189 --> 02:05:33.340 know what Zack de la 02:05:33.340 --> 02:05:37.119 Roca over age against machine said is all the world jails 02:05:37.119 --> 02:05:38.420 and churches so he 02:05:38.420 --> 02:05:42.390 has a song about planning and zoning actually you know and 02:05:42.390 --> 02:05:43.420 nothing's anything 02:05:43.420 --> 02:05:46.500 wrong with the jail or church per se but it's not the 02:05:46.500 --> 02:05:48.060 letter of the law but this 02:05:48.060 --> 02:05:50.470 the letter of what he's saying the spirit of what he's 02:05:50.470 --> 02:05:51.340 saying is that you 02:05:51.340 --> 02:05:54.439 know we want to create a community that's not just you know 02:05:54.439 --> 02:05:55.340 oppressive you 02:05:55.340 --> 02:05:59.210 know another another 7-eleven or another box store but a 02:05:59.210 --> 02:06:00.300 community of life and 02:06:00.300 --> 02:06:07.140 access that's 30 years of experience in three minutes 02:06:07.140 --> 02:06:10.670 do you have a question for you Commissioner Roselle thank 02:06:10.670 --> 02:06:11.220 you chair I 02:06:11.220 --> 02:06:13.649 you made a leading statement that I just want to follow up 02:06:13.649 --> 02:06:14.500 on you said the first 02:06:14.500 --> 02:06:16.949 thing bicycles do when they come to town is find out where 02:06:16.949 --> 02:06:17.859 the death traps are 02:06:17.859 --> 02:06:21.140 can you tell me where the death traps are and didn't I 02:06:21.140 --> 02:06:22.619 would personally like 02:06:22.619 --> 02:06:26.180 oh yeah oh yeah there's and I'm sure a lot of people do and 02:06:26.180 --> 02:06:26.939 I can tell the 02:06:26.939 --> 02:06:29.649 personal ones I have to avoid right now I'd like to tell 02:06:29.649 --> 02:06:30.779 the personal one I have 02:06:30.779 --> 02:06:33.819 to avoid right now and which is why I'm excited about the 02:06:33.819 --> 02:06:34.939 the postdoc option 02:06:34.939 --> 02:06:38.659 because my my commute right now goes from a middle school 02:06:38.659 --> 02:06:40.180 close to post oak 02:06:40.180 --> 02:06:45.239 and in Corinth and it goes around into town and out for 28 02:06:45.239 --> 02:06:46.939 to Aubrey about 20 02:06:46.939 --> 02:06:51.289 mile right and it could be about 12 miles but I can't do 02:06:51.289 --> 02:06:52.500 Mayhill Road Mayhill 02:06:52.500 --> 02:06:56.470 Road isn't is a no way Mayhill Road's no way and then I can 02:06:56.470 --> 02:06:58.699 't do 228 obviously 02:06:58.699 --> 02:07:02.489 because that's you know again I've seen bicyclists doing 02:07:02.489 --> 02:07:04.340 you know loop 228 at 02:07:04.340 --> 02:07:09.189 6 a.m. without lights and I I just I've a couple times I've 02:07:09.189 --> 02:07:09.939 stopped and tried to 02:07:09.939 --> 02:07:12.770 go not you really you don't want to ride this you know he's 02:07:12.770 --> 02:07:13.779 so deadly you know 02:07:13.779 --> 02:07:22.819 - so 288 is Mayhill Road definitely is the university is 02:07:22.819 --> 02:07:24.659 like like clay said 02:07:24.659 --> 02:07:28.890 Woodrow is Woodrow's challenging I actually do Woodrow 02:07:28.890 --> 02:07:30.699 because but it's 02:07:30.699 --> 02:07:34.739 challenging mostly because of the how fast the cars are 02:07:34.739 --> 02:07:35.619 going there it is it 02:07:35.619 --> 02:07:38.250 is two lanes on a sidewalk but they're going really fast 02:07:38.250 --> 02:07:40.060 right there those are 02:07:40.060 --> 02:07:48.229 the main scripture is there's plenty right now the main one 02:07:48.229 --> 02:07:50.180 for me is Mayhill 02:07:50.180 --> 02:07:53.329 and if you guys made that post oak with bike facilities 02:07:53.329 --> 02:07:54.699 that I could ride to I 02:07:54.699 --> 02:07:57.699 would memorize all of your names and bow to the four 02:07:57.699 --> 02:07:59.060 directions every day before 02:07:59.060 --> 02:08:02.060 I did that bike ride because I would just be unbelievable 02:08:02.060 --> 02:08:03.020 that'd be unbelievable 02:08:03.020 --> 02:08:08.060 it's a deal yeah I will okay we'll Commissioner Corito to 02:08:08.060 --> 02:08:09.260 memorialize you 02:08:09.260 --> 02:08:15.920 thank you thank you thank you next speaker will be Carl G 02:08:15.920 --> 02:08:17.340 ossett followed by 02:08:17.340 --> 02:08:25.270 Doug Campbell thank you my name is Carl Gossett I live at 02:08:25.270 --> 02:08:29.460 602 Woodland Street in 02:08:29.460 --> 02:08:35.850 Denton Texas and I don't really have a prepared statement 02:08:35.850 --> 02:08:40.340 and I'm not ready to 02:08:40.340 --> 02:08:43.850 address any of the specifics in the changes in the mobility 02:08:43.850 --> 02:08:44.659 plan but I'm 02:08:44.659 --> 02:08:50.489 here mostly to make a general comment about the need of the 02:08:50.489 --> 02:08:52.260 city to make sure 02:08:52.260 --> 02:08:58.649 to include infrastructure in any changes to the mobility 02:08:58.649 --> 02:09:00.619 plan regardless of what 02:09:00.619 --> 02:09:04.840 the bike plan says I moved here about three and a half 02:09:04.840 --> 02:09:06.300 years ago from Los 02:09:06.300 --> 02:09:11.369 Angeles California and when I lived in LA I commuted 12 02:09:11.369 --> 02:09:13.300 miles every day on my bike 02:09:13.300 --> 02:09:19.960 and when I moved to Denton my thought was this is great you 02:09:19.960 --> 02:09:20.659 know I did some 02:09:20.659 --> 02:09:23.970 research I looked at it online and we we had a preliminary 02:09:23.970 --> 02:09:25.220 trip to find housing 02:09:25.220 --> 02:09:29.079 and I thought this is great this is a small town it's 02:09:29.079 --> 02:09:30.500 lovely the weather is 02:09:30.500 --> 02:09:34.710 great for the most part and I could see a lot of people 02:09:34.710 --> 02:09:35.500 riding bikes and I 02:09:35.500 --> 02:09:40.060 thought this is perfect my experience was that in general I 02:09:40.060 --> 02:09:41.500 find riding in 02:09:41.500 --> 02:09:45.039 Denton scarier than riding in downtown Los Angeles and for 02:09:45.039 --> 02:09:46.539 any of you who know 02:09:46.539 --> 02:09:50.670 LA I went from mid-city to South Central every day and it 02:09:50.670 --> 02:09:52.899 was a pleasure and just 02:09:52.899 --> 02:09:59.369 going down University or McKinney from my house is it's it 02:09:59.369 --> 02:10:02.100 's a crap shoot so I 02:10:02.100 --> 02:10:06.670 would just make sure that people understand that I think 02:10:06.670 --> 02:10:07.779 there's a 02:10:07.779 --> 02:10:11.829 cultural shift that needs to happen I sensed that for a lot 02:10:11.829 --> 02:10:12.819 of people for 02:10:12.819 --> 02:10:16.380 whatever reason cyclists are still seen as some sort of 02:10:16.380 --> 02:10:20.819 marginal anti-establishment 02:10:20.819 --> 02:10:23.189 group of people who just make that decision that they're 02:10:23.189 --> 02:10:23.979 gonna ride their 02:10:23.979 --> 02:10:29.779 bike for whatever reason I'd like to propose that the view 02:10:29.779 --> 02:10:31.420 be expanded to 02:10:31.420 --> 02:10:35.489 consider that everyone should be riding bikes and there are 02:10:35.489 --> 02:10:36.899 actually quite a few 02:10:36.899 --> 02:10:42.100 people who do age doesn't matter gender doesn't matter and 02:10:42.100 --> 02:10:44.100 hopefully you know 02:10:44.100 --> 02:10:47.479 class doesn't matter either but it's important that we look 02:10:47.479 --> 02:10:48.539 at cyclists not 02:10:48.539 --> 02:10:51.859 just a small marginal group that needs to be accommodated 02:10:51.859 --> 02:10:53.859 so the consequence of 02:10:53.859 --> 02:10:57.229 that is that the tyranny of the majority should not you 02:10:57.229 --> 02:10:58.819 know has no play here so 02:10:58.819 --> 02:11:01.270 I don't think anyone should come out and say we have X 02:11:01.270 --> 02:11:02.460 number of cars that go 02:11:02.460 --> 02:11:05.319 through this street on a daily basis and only 12 cyclists 02:11:05.319 --> 02:11:06.819 therefore you know the 02:11:06.819 --> 02:11:10.579 conclusion is obvious I think we need to move away from 02:11:10.579 --> 02:11:13.300 that model more towards 02:11:13.300 --> 02:11:17.810 well if we build it there will come and the reality I'll 02:11:17.810 --> 02:11:20.500 leave you with this the 02:11:20.500 --> 02:11:23.569 cycling community is growing so the number of riders is not 02:11:23.569 --> 02:11:24.420 going to go down 02:11:24.420 --> 02:11:27.970 it's going to go up and someone's going to get hurt 02:11:27.970 --> 02:11:29.380 somebody some people have 02:11:29.380 --> 02:11:32.449 already gotten hurt but someone's got a most likely you 02:11:32.449 --> 02:11:33.699 know at some point get 02:11:33.699 --> 02:11:37.279 into a catastrophic situation and become a fatality so I 02:11:37.279 --> 02:11:38.420 would encourage the city 02:11:38.420 --> 02:11:42.369 to not be reactive to this scenario which is bound to 02:11:42.369 --> 02:11:44.020 happen if things are 02:11:44.020 --> 02:11:49.220 the way they are now and be more proactive and include bike 02:11:49.220 --> 02:11:49.979 infrastructure 02:11:49.979 --> 02:11:53.550 in any point any changes to any mobility plan that the city 02:11:53.550 --> 02:11:54.859 is considering thank 02:11:54.859 --> 02:11:57.380 you. I have a question for you Commissioner Bruegel. Thank 02:11:57.380 --> 02:11:58.979 You Chair. Carl thanks for being here tonight. 02:11:58.979 --> 02:12:05.789 What you said about about getting injured and tying into 02:12:05.789 --> 02:12:06.220 what the last 02:12:06.220 --> 02:12:09.220 speaker said about that too I'm just kind of curious from 02:12:09.220 --> 02:12:10.500 all y'all here by a 02:12:10.500 --> 02:12:13.619 show of hands have any of you ever been hit by a car while 02:12:13.619 --> 02:12:15.859 riding your bike and 02:12:15.859 --> 02:12:19.229 I know Adam has to you to raise his hand and those of you 02:12:19.229 --> 02:12:20.460 that have raised your 02:12:20.460 --> 02:12:23.460 hands do you feel if if there would have been a bike 02:12:23.460 --> 02:12:25.340 accommodation for you at that 02:12:25.340 --> 02:12:28.510 place where you were hit would that have kept you safer if 02:12:28.510 --> 02:12:29.500 with that maybe 02:12:29.500 --> 02:12:34.819 prevented so just about as many hands okay I'm just curious 02:12:34.819 --> 02:12:36.100 thank you yeah I'll 02:12:36.100 --> 02:12:40.739 just if I may I've had guns pulled on me in LA while on my 02:12:40.739 --> 02:12:41.500 bike I've had 02:12:41.500 --> 02:12:45.159 milkshakes thrown at me out of cars I've had people come at 02:12:45.159 --> 02:12:47.140 me with baseball bats 02:12:47.140 --> 02:12:52.369 that's nothing compared to riding on McKinney believe me so 02:12:52.369 --> 02:12:54.579 I'm I you know I 02:12:54.579 --> 02:12:57.319 have a car I drive to you it's not like I just have a bike 02:12:57.319 --> 02:12:58.500 and I look at drivers 02:12:58.500 --> 02:13:02.869 in some some sort of different prism I don't so I think the 02:13:02.869 --> 02:13:04.180 drivers here in 02:13:04.180 --> 02:13:07.039 Denton actually quite friendly but the infrastructure is 02:13:07.039 --> 02:13:08.899 just horrible and 02:13:08.899 --> 02:13:14.170 again I don't want to be a doomsday kind of guy but someone 02:13:14.170 --> 02:13:15.619 is going to get 02:13:15.619 --> 02:13:20.060 seriously hurt and you know please do something now and be 02:13:20.060 --> 02:13:21.220 ahead of the curb 02:13:21.220 --> 02:13:26.100 rather than reactive to whatever is going to happen next 02:13:26.100 --> 02:13:27.460 one more question 02:13:27.460 --> 02:13:30.210 for you Commissioner Roswell thank you chair I'm not sure 02:13:30.210 --> 02:13:31.140 if this is a question 02:13:31.140 --> 02:13:34.270 more than an observation and I know the population here 02:13:34.270 --> 02:13:35.380 speaking for bike 02:13:35.380 --> 02:13:39.220 mobility is price self-selected in a lot of ways in terms 02:13:39.220 --> 02:13:40.619 of following the rules 02:13:40.619 --> 02:13:44.340 just today I had an individual on a bike run a stop sign 02:13:44.340 --> 02:13:45.300 while saying left-hand 02:13:45.300 --> 02:13:48.420 turn I nearly hit him but there's no adherence to the law 02:13:48.420 --> 02:13:49.340 and so I wonder if 02:13:49.340 --> 02:13:53.329 there's a way that is as we look to develop bike mobility 02:13:53.329 --> 02:13:54.859 if education to be 02:13:54.859 --> 02:13:57.859 part of that or structure because I don't want a few bad 02:13:57.859 --> 02:13:58.659 apples to turn the 02:13:58.659 --> 02:14:02.409 whole bunch but my wife got hit by cyclists that ran a stop 02:14:02.409 --> 02:14:04.340 sign and so I 02:14:04.340 --> 02:14:07.350 definitely think safety is a priority but I also want to 02:14:07.350 --> 02:14:08.340 note that it goes 02:14:08.340 --> 02:14:12.199 both ways and and I would love for those bad apples so to 02:14:12.199 --> 02:14:14.140 speak not to ruin the 02:14:14.140 --> 02:14:18.989 testimonies here because it's certainly in my opinion robs 02:14:18.989 --> 02:14:19.779 me the wrong way 02:14:19.779 --> 02:14:22.609 when that happens because I would like the law to go both 02:14:22.609 --> 02:14:23.899 ways for drivers as 02:14:23.899 --> 02:14:30.649 cyclists as we talk about transportation parity if I may 02:14:30.649 --> 02:14:32.539 respond not directly 02:14:32.539 --> 02:14:38.819 maybe but I completely agree with you I'm a big proponent 02:14:38.819 --> 02:14:40.380 of having cyclists 02:14:40.380 --> 02:14:43.390 that we hold each other accountable and that includes 02:14:43.390 --> 02:14:44.699 following you know the 02:14:44.699 --> 02:14:49.300 rules of the road and so on my personal experience is the 02:14:49.300 --> 02:14:50.899 only way that changes 02:14:50.899 --> 02:14:54.909 in any substantial way is by having more cyclists on the 02:14:54.909 --> 02:14:58.260 road if you if you build 02:14:58.260 --> 02:15:01.449 a model where you by definition restrict the number of cycl 02:15:01.449 --> 02:15:02.420 ists you are going to 02:15:02.420 --> 02:15:05.520 have these so-called bad apples on the road all the time if 02:15:05.520 --> 02:15:06.899 you go to a city 02:15:06.899 --> 02:15:09.760 like Amsterdam and I'm not trying to compare apples to 02:15:09.760 --> 02:15:10.659 oranges but you have 02:15:10.659 --> 02:15:14.819 hundreds of cyclists everywhere people yell at each other 02:15:14.819 --> 02:15:16.060 if somebody makes a 02:15:16.060 --> 02:15:19.569 mistake another rider will call you on it and I'd like to 02:15:19.569 --> 02:15:21.100 get to a point where 02:15:21.100 --> 02:15:23.619 we are you know where we have that sort of situation here 02:15:23.619 --> 02:15:24.500 but my experience 02:15:24.500 --> 02:15:30.039 again is it's only improved through the increase of riders 02:15:30.039 --> 02:15:31.500 hip on roads sure 02:15:31.500 --> 02:15:35.560 it's good point thank you for your comments our next 02:15:35.560 --> 02:15:37.380 speaker is Doug Campbell 02:15:37.380 --> 02:15:44.739 and be followed by Naomi wood thank you Commission for 02:15:44.739 --> 02:15:46.220 listening to my comments 02:15:46.220 --> 02:15:49.220 and thank you for the bike plan that we do have the bike 02:15:49.220 --> 02:15:50.779 and pedestrian component 02:15:50.779 --> 02:15:53.779 of the mobility plan I appreciate the Sharos that have been 02:15:53.779 --> 02:15:54.579 added in the last 02:15:54.579 --> 02:15:58.779 year so but Sharos are only give us your name and address 02:15:58.779 --> 02:15:59.779 thank you sorry 02:15:59.779 --> 02:16:03.739 Doug Campbell one two two three Bell me drive seven six two 02:16:03.739 --> 02:16:04.739 zero one thank you 02:16:04.739 --> 02:16:09.869 thank you so thank you for the Sharos that have been 02:16:09.869 --> 02:16:12.300 implemented through the 02:16:12.300 --> 02:16:17.630 mobility plan they are only a beginning the protective bike 02:16:17.630 --> 02:16:19.060 lane is is the final 02:16:19.060 --> 02:16:22.539 solution I believe as far as scoff laws and education I 02:16:22.539 --> 02:16:23.979 want to address that 02:16:23.979 --> 02:16:28.310 quickly that studies have shown that cyclists and drivers 02:16:28.310 --> 02:16:29.579 break the laws that 02:16:29.579 --> 02:16:33.500 the exact same rate actually but I'm a proponent of 02:16:33.500 --> 02:16:35.299 education I just I'm a now 02:16:35.299 --> 02:16:39.379 American League leave American bicycle is certified 02:16:39.379 --> 02:16:41.739 instructor so I plan to 02:16:41.739 --> 02:16:47.280 offer education classes in Denton so to encourage cyclists 02:16:47.280 --> 02:16:49.500 to obey laws which we 02:16:49.500 --> 02:16:52.659 should do we have the same rights on the roads but we also 02:16:52.659 --> 02:16:53.219 have the same 02:16:53.219 --> 02:16:58.620 responsibilities so I want to hone in on that I am a home 02:16:58.620 --> 02:17:01.420 owner and I'm also a car 02:17:01.420 --> 02:17:05.819 owner but my primary means of transportation is my bicycle 02:17:05.819 --> 02:17:06.739 I ride to 02:17:06.739 --> 02:17:11.930 work every day I shop my bike every day I drive my car 02:17:11.930 --> 02:17:13.500 maybe once a week on 02:17:13.500 --> 02:17:17.979 average two to five miles I fill my car up which is a Honda 02:17:17.979 --> 02:17:19.979 Civic once every two 02:17:19.979 --> 02:17:25.110 months so it's by choice that I ride a bike do want to say 02:17:25.110 --> 02:17:26.659 that nationwide roads 02:17:26.659 --> 02:17:30.309 are paid for 48% by road users those are all road users not 02:17:30.309 --> 02:17:33.379 just car drivers 42% 02:17:33.379 --> 02:17:39.340 by non road users and 10% by bonds so cyclists do have a 02:17:39.340 --> 02:17:40.620 right to the road and 02:17:40.620 --> 02:17:44.079 we do pay for the roads as well in case there was any kind 02:17:44.079 --> 02:17:46.420 of idea that we don't 02:17:46.420 --> 02:17:51.610 again I shop by bike every to every dollar that I spend on 02:17:51.610 --> 02:17:52.340 my bicycle is 02:17:52.340 --> 02:17:56.129 spent in the city of Denton anytime I get in my car I'm 02:17:56.129 --> 02:17:57.219 leaving the city limits 02:17:57.219 --> 02:18:01.909 I have no reason to drive my car within the city limits so 02:18:01.909 --> 02:18:04.540 I don't but if I'm 02:18:04.540 --> 02:18:08.219 getting in my car I'm spending money outside the city 02:18:08.219 --> 02:18:09.739 limits I will say this 02:18:09.739 --> 02:18:15.649 that every study has shown that more dollars are spent by 02:18:15.649 --> 02:18:17.899 cyclists per trip 02:18:17.899 --> 02:18:22.469 to businesses to local businesses also Denton is number two 02:18:22.469 --> 02:18:23.459 in the percentage 02:18:23.459 --> 02:18:26.459 of bike commuters in the state of Texas for the cities of 02:18:26.459 --> 02:18:28.459 100,000 to 200,000 02:18:28.459 --> 02:18:33.790 people and actually it's number three statewide we have 1.1 02:18:33.790 --> 02:18:35.299 percent commuters 02:18:35.299 --> 02:18:40.020 in Denton Austin has 1.3 percent number one city in the 02:18:40.020 --> 02:18:41.059 state of Texas is 02:18:41.059 --> 02:18:45.190 College Station at 3.7 percent that's nothing to laugh at 1 02:18:45.190 --> 02:18:46.260 .1 percent it's 02:18:46.260 --> 02:18:49.850 significant most people say if they build it they will come 02:18:49.850 --> 02:18:51.100 Denton is unique 02:18:51.100 --> 02:18:54.690 in that they're already here we're already riding we just 02:18:54.690 --> 02:18:55.299 ask that you 02:18:55.299 --> 02:18:59.860 build more and more will come Detroit added 150 miles of 02:18:59.860 --> 02:19:01.819 bike lanes since 2006 02:19:01.819 --> 02:19:06.459 they increase the riders ridership by 400 percent add more 02:19:06.459 --> 02:19:08.020 lanes you add more 02:19:08.020 --> 02:19:11.180 riders thank you 02:19:11.940 --> 02:19:16.139 one question for you Commissioner Dunowitz yes I'm just 02:19:16.139 --> 02:19:17.420 curious with your 02:19:17.420 --> 02:19:21.780 experience you're a instructor also I'm sorry you're an 02:19:21.780 --> 02:19:22.940 instructor you said I 02:19:22.940 --> 02:19:29.020 certified to teach bicycle education classes thank you I've 02:19:29.020 --> 02:19:29.780 never taught one 02:19:29.780 --> 02:19:34.659 though I just got certified Sunday okay okay in my long 02:19:34.659 --> 02:19:35.819 life I've lived in a 02:19:35.819 --> 02:19:41.010 city which required licenses for bicycle owners even which 02:19:41.010 --> 02:19:42.379 city was that it was 02:19:42.379 --> 02:19:46.299 in Beloit Wisconsin okay now having said that part of that 02:19:46.299 --> 02:19:47.659 licensing came in 02:19:47.659 --> 02:19:50.659 education process similar to drivers license would you be a 02:19:50.659 --> 02:19:51.500 proponent of that 02:19:51.500 --> 02:19:55.590 in our city I would not be a proponent of licensing I would 02:19:55.590 --> 02:19:56.700 I would be shocked 02:19:56.700 --> 02:20:00.260 if you're if the city that you just named still requires 02:20:00.260 --> 02:20:01.459 licensing every 02:20:01.459 --> 02:20:05.139 city that is brought that up in the last I will say 20 to 02:20:05.139 --> 02:20:06.700 30 years has shot it 02:20:06.700 --> 02:20:11.010 down under trying to figure out how to implement something 02:20:11.010 --> 02:20:12.379 like that if your 02:20:12.379 --> 02:20:15.520 city's the city that you just named still does that I would 02:20:15.520 --> 02:20:16.739 be shocked 02:20:16.739 --> 02:20:20.780 interesting but it does bring us to a place where we could 02:20:20.780 --> 02:20:21.899 assure proper 02:20:21.899 --> 02:20:25.219 education so that people are like the state of Texas I was 02:20:25.219 --> 02:20:25.780 just thinking of 02:20:25.780 --> 02:20:28.920 both sides of this I mean they were proponents on both yes 02:20:28.920 --> 02:20:30.020 yes so we need 02:20:30.020 --> 02:20:33.250 education how do we do that and make sure that people get 02:20:33.250 --> 02:20:34.659 it correctly also 02:20:34.659 --> 02:20:37.809 the licensing process will also help identify stolen 02:20:37.809 --> 02:20:38.940 bicycles and other 02:20:38.940 --> 02:20:42.530 issues and a way to track people who were the bad actors in 02:20:42.530 --> 02:20:43.940 the city so it's 02:20:43.940 --> 02:20:47.000 something else to think about down the road don't know if 02:20:47.000 --> 02:20:47.979 it plays well but 02:20:47.979 --> 02:20:50.840 it's just a thought thank you I'd like to address that if I 02:20:50.840 --> 02:20:52.340 may sure some of 02:20:52.340 --> 02:20:56.819 your comments there are nationwide online bike registration 02:20:56.819 --> 02:20:57.780 programs already I 02:20:57.780 --> 02:21:02.280 could name you three now if you'd like and which the UNT 02:21:02.280 --> 02:21:03.739 police and the city 02:21:03.739 --> 02:21:07.170 of Denton police encourages all cyclists to register their 02:21:07.170 --> 02:21:08.139 bikes on these online 02:21:08.139 --> 02:21:10.860 databases that's the first question they're going to ask is 02:21:10.860 --> 02:21:11.379 what is your 02:21:11.379 --> 02:21:14.600 serial number and did you register your bike as far as bike 02:21:14.600 --> 02:21:15.659 education the state 02:21:15.659 --> 02:21:21.069 of Texas once required bike education but they stopped 02:21:21.069 --> 02:21:21.860 doing that in the early 02:21:21.860 --> 02:21:25.680 80s unfortunately stopped that I wish they would continue 02:21:25.680 --> 02:21:27.219 that cities like 02:21:27.219 --> 02:21:30.610 Washington DC require bike education in their elementary 02:21:30.610 --> 02:21:31.860 schools so hopefully 02:21:31.860 --> 02:21:35.860 that be something perhaps the didn't ISD might consider I 02:21:35.860 --> 02:21:37.420 believe that drivers 02:21:37.420 --> 02:21:41.760 and cyclists need bike education on what are what what are 02:21:41.760 --> 02:21:43.219 the rules of the road 02:21:43.219 --> 02:21:48.069 I think it's important thank you for your comments thank 02:21:48.069 --> 02:21:48.579 you 02:21:48.579 --> 02:21:55.299 Naomi would so our next speaker followed by Patrick O'Con 02:21:55.299 --> 02:21:59.260 nor okay we'll move her 02:21:59.260 --> 02:22:03.180 to the end in case she comes back Patrick O'Connor followed 02:22:03.180 --> 02:22:03.979 by Guy 02:22:03.979 --> 02:22:10.790 Klossner hello I'm Patrick O'Connor I live at 405 Westway 02:22:10.790 --> 02:22:11.700 Street here in 02:22:11.700 --> 02:22:17.780 Denton at 76201 let's see I moved into Denton I made the 02:22:17.780 --> 02:22:18.940 choice to move to 02:22:18.940 --> 02:22:24.780 Denton in 2014 July specifically for your bike friendliness 02:22:24.780 --> 02:22:26.219 city I'm from 02:22:26.219 --> 02:22:29.780 West Fort Worth while Fort Worth has a wonderful bike plan 02:22:29.780 --> 02:22:30.860 they have lots of 02:22:30.860 --> 02:22:34.170 infrastructure it's really only built around downtown I 02:22:34.170 --> 02:22:35.940 work in Dallas have 02:22:35.940 --> 02:22:40.979 for 15 years same job I got tired of spending five hours a 02:22:40.979 --> 02:22:41.500 day in a commute 02:22:41.500 --> 02:22:46.709 to the office I also really enjoyed the idea that maybe I 02:22:46.709 --> 02:22:47.780 could cut that down to 02:22:47.780 --> 02:22:54.670 two and then turn around and spend my cash right here I own 02:22:54.670 --> 02:22:55.819 a car it's not a 02:22:55.819 --> 02:22:59.540 new car it's an old car I don't need anything more than 02:22:59.540 --> 02:23:00.899 that I rent cars 02:23:00.899 --> 02:23:06.600 locally to drive out of the state bike infrastructure going 02:23:06.600 --> 02:23:08.739 forward on all 02:23:08.739 --> 02:23:16.670 plans for roads should be in place just the fact that you 02:23:16.670 --> 02:23:19.540 have two colleges what 02:23:19.540 --> 02:23:22.909 the kids riding around or young adults and then you have 02:23:22.909 --> 02:23:24.180 people like me and the 02:23:24.180 --> 02:23:26.260 guys are showing up here there are people who are not here 02:23:26.260 --> 02:23:26.979 tonight you don't 02:23:26.979 --> 02:23:32.389 even know this is happening I agree that it's frustrating 02:23:32.389 --> 02:23:33.120 to ride along a 02:23:33.120 --> 02:23:38.260 cyclist and blow a stop sign it frustrates me I call them 02:23:38.260 --> 02:23:39.540 out when I can 02:23:39.540 --> 02:23:43.389 what we need to do is enforce the laws we have write more 02:23:43.389 --> 02:23:44.100 tickets to your 02:23:44.100 --> 02:23:48.090 cyclist I'll pay a ticket if I get it just like those guys 02:23:48.090 --> 02:23:49.299 with the license in 02:23:49.299 --> 02:23:58.370 their cars it is a lifestyle in a way I see old ladies who 02:23:58.370 --> 02:23:59.180 smile at me who I 02:23:59.180 --> 02:24:05.979 wouldn't see otherwise if I was in my car I don't have any 02:24:05.979 --> 02:24:08.420 answer to specifics 02:24:08.420 --> 02:24:11.420 this road that road I ride wherever it's the most 02:24:11.420 --> 02:24:12.860 convenient for me and the 02:24:12.860 --> 02:24:16.440 safest I'm sure there's plenty of people you could take a 02:24:16.440 --> 02:24:17.100 poll on and get all 02:24:17.100 --> 02:24:22.500 that information but I do suggest to continue to build 02:24:22.500 --> 02:24:24.459 roads with the idea 02:24:24.459 --> 02:24:27.690 that cyclists and pedestrians are on these roads and their 02:24:27.690 --> 02:24:28.659 safety is at hand 02:24:28.659 --> 02:24:34.420 I loved it and I love the idea that I can ride everywhere I 02:24:34.420 --> 02:24:35.659 can't say that 02:24:35.659 --> 02:24:41.069 enough all year long whether cold a little bit of snow ice 02:24:41.069 --> 02:24:42.659 or not I'm on 02:24:42.659 --> 02:24:47.920 there let's make it safe for everybody thank you thank you 02:24:47.920 --> 02:24:49.780 for your comments 02:24:50.979 --> 02:24:59.489 in the next speaker be guy Klosner followed by Annalisa Var 02:24:59.489 --> 02:25:00.059 gas 02:25:02.780 --> 02:25:10.959 guy Klosner live at 4124 Celine Drive Denton 76209 and let 02:25:10.959 --> 02:25:12.059 's see where to 02:25:12.059 --> 02:25:20.680 start we'll just start with the most recent I work on the 02:25:20.680 --> 02:25:22.860 south side of 02:25:22.860 --> 02:25:30.059 Denton Airport Road also a death trap and there's a very 02:25:30.059 --> 02:25:32.500 short what do you 02:25:32.500 --> 02:25:36.709 call it place where people walk sidewalk very short 02:25:36.709 --> 02:25:38.819 sidewalk that doesn't actually 02:25:38.819 --> 02:25:44.459 go down to the Peterbilt the Tetra Pak the fast and all the 02:25:44.459 --> 02:25:45.659 target distribution 02:25:45.659 --> 02:25:48.690 center the all day distribution center which is further 02:25:48.690 --> 02:25:50.940 down there and I do 02:25:50.940 --> 02:25:55.260 see a lot of people who presumably work down there who are 02:25:55.260 --> 02:25:56.860 walking some people 02:25:56.860 --> 02:26:01.040 who are cycling and that's that's pretty brave to cycle 02:26:01.040 --> 02:26:03.100 there I do it as much as 02:26:03.100 --> 02:26:07.680 I can but of course there are so many trailers that go down 02:26:07.680 --> 02:26:08.979 there a lot and 02:26:08.979 --> 02:26:18.139 the shoulder is maybe this wide and because it hasn't been 02:26:18.139 --> 02:26:19.420 up kept as much 02:26:19.420 --> 02:26:25.659 as one would like there's overgrowth but you know ruins the 02:26:25.659 --> 02:26:28.299 shoulder in some 02:26:28.299 --> 02:26:36.600 places and so yeah that's I would like to see be at least 02:26:36.600 --> 02:26:38.620 you know widens make 02:26:38.620 --> 02:26:43.579 a wider shoulder and the other thing I really wanted to 02:26:43.579 --> 02:26:45.139 point out was that in 02:26:45.139 --> 02:26:52.920 Houston they have on at least all of the 30 mile an hour z 02:26:52.920 --> 02:26:53.899 oned roads that I've 02:26:53.899 --> 02:26:58.059 seen when I was in Houston for a short time they had when 02:26:58.059 --> 02:26:59.540 it when it's like a 02:26:59.540 --> 02:27:03.440 two-lane or more the right lane is like bicycle may use 02:27:03.440 --> 02:27:06.219 full lane which I don't 02:27:06.219 --> 02:27:10.270 see any downside to that like it would let drivers know 02:27:10.270 --> 02:27:12.059 that you know bicycles 02:27:12.059 --> 02:27:14.920 belong on the road there's another lane you can change 02:27:14.920 --> 02:27:17.420 lanes very easily and just 02:27:17.420 --> 02:27:22.000 you know pass the bike and be on your way and not force 02:27:22.000 --> 02:27:23.700 cyclists who are going 02:27:23.700 --> 02:27:30.069 you know up up and down Elm or locust or hickory and oak to 02:27:30.069 --> 02:27:32.659 use the I think they 02:27:32.659 --> 02:27:38.059 call it an urban shoulder or on hickory and oak there are 02:27:38.059 --> 02:27:40.620 bike lanes so yeah 02:27:40.620 --> 02:27:47.090 just a bicycle may use full lane on on two lane 30 mile an 02:27:47.090 --> 02:27:48.020 hour zoned roads 02:27:48.020 --> 02:27:53.340 with with like you know two lanes that would be great and 02:27:53.340 --> 02:27:54.540 you know some well 02:27:54.540 --> 02:27:59.579 wider shoulders where possible would be excellent as well 02:27:59.579 --> 02:28:01.500 what else oh yeah 02:28:01.500 --> 02:28:05.079 Hinkle Hinkle is awful like you need a mountain bike to go 02:28:05.079 --> 02:28:08.020 on Hinkle and that 02:28:08.020 --> 02:28:13.100 just seems like like it was a bike lane on both sides and 02:28:13.100 --> 02:28:14.420 it's just like been 02:28:14.420 --> 02:28:18.340 able to fall into just repair I'd like to see that change 02:28:18.340 --> 02:28:20.459 thanks 02:28:35.780 --> 02:28:39.739 my name is Anna Lisa Vargas I live at 4124 Saline Drive 02:28:39.739 --> 02:28:42.420 Denton Texas 76 209 02:28:42.420 --> 02:28:46.100 I've been commuting by bicycle in Denton since around 2009 02:28:46.100 --> 02:28:47.059 when I started going 02:28:47.059 --> 02:28:53.459 to UNT currently I ride about 50 miles a week from the very 02:28:53.459 --> 02:28:54.219 north side of Denton 02:28:54.219 --> 02:28:59.500 just south of 28 usually to the center of Denton or to kind 02:28:59.500 --> 02:29:00.420 of the south side 02:29:00.420 --> 02:29:05.879 just before you hit 35 I've toured and cycled in multiple 02:29:05.879 --> 02:29:06.459 other cities and 02:29:06.459 --> 02:29:11.649 other countries with varying amounts of infrastructure and 02:29:11.649 --> 02:29:12.940 I echo the sentiments 02:29:12.940 --> 02:29:15.940 that pretty much everyone else here has stated to you guys 02:29:15.940 --> 02:29:17.139 one model that I 02:29:17.139 --> 02:29:22.729 think would be of use is I toured in Scotland for two weeks 02:29:22.729 --> 02:29:24.340 in May this year 02:29:24.340 --> 02:29:28.079 and in the last couple years they have implemented the 02:29:28.079 --> 02:29:30.659 sustainable transit plan 02:29:30.659 --> 02:29:35.559 or they call it Sustrans and part of that was implementing 02:29:35.559 --> 02:29:36.860 bike paths and 02:29:36.860 --> 02:29:40.829 routes in all the cities big and small in Scotland and 02:29:40.829 --> 02:29:42.260 linking those cities 02:29:42.260 --> 02:29:47.110 together and much like here they had a lot of old existing 02:29:47.110 --> 02:29:48.139 infrastructure and 02:29:48.139 --> 02:29:52.100 part of that plan was to figure out how to make bicycle 02:29:52.100 --> 02:29:54.139 routes within that 02:29:54.139 --> 02:29:56.739 existing infrastructure now there was new construction on 02:29:56.739 --> 02:29:57.739 roads implementing 02:29:57.739 --> 02:30:00.290 bike lanes and things like that but one of the major things 02:30:00.290 --> 02:30:01.219 that I noticed there 02:30:01.219 --> 02:30:05.610 would they had numbered routes that had signposts 02:30:05.610 --> 02:30:07.780 throughout the city and 02:30:07.780 --> 02:30:10.370 between cities that's you know were numbered so you were on 02:30:10.370 --> 02:30:11.420 route number five 02:30:11.420 --> 02:30:15.610 and it would kind of guide you along routes that were 02:30:15.610 --> 02:30:17.299 alternative to the 02:30:17.299 --> 02:30:22.629 major routes of transport by cars so these would be kind of 02:30:22.629 --> 02:30:24.260 roundabout ways 02:30:24.260 --> 02:30:29.659 to get throughout towns using lesser known roads and with 02:30:29.659 --> 02:30:30.739 this they didn't 02:30:30.739 --> 02:30:37.059 have to implement like set build separate bike lanes or you 02:30:37.059 --> 02:30:37.940 know things 02:30:37.940 --> 02:30:40.270 that cost a lot of money and take a lot of time to 02:30:40.270 --> 02:30:41.860 implement it was simply just 02:30:41.860 --> 02:30:46.799 rerouting people through safer safer routes and I think 02:30:46.799 --> 02:30:48.180 something like that 02:30:48.180 --> 02:30:53.079 might be of use in Denton along with other proposed changes 02:30:53.079 --> 02:30:54.340 so if you think 02:30:54.340 --> 02:30:57.709 about major places in Denton that people need to get to the 02:30:57.709 --> 02:30:59.420 universities razor 02:30:59.420 --> 02:31:05.020 ranch places on 288 schools if we implemented some sort of 02:31:05.020 --> 02:31:05.620 different route 02:31:05.620 --> 02:31:11.420 system that helped guide people who are not brave enough to 02:31:11.420 --> 02:31:12.979 ride in the current 02:31:12.979 --> 02:31:18.920 map then that might help encourage people to take up 02:31:18.920 --> 02:31:21.180 cycling and meet other 02:31:21.180 --> 02:31:26.399 cyclists in a common in a common route so I think that 02:31:26.399 --> 02:31:28.659 should be something that 02:31:28.659 --> 02:31:31.809 y'all should consider and look at more closely as the Cest 02:31:31.809 --> 02:31:32.899 rans model that was 02:31:32.899 --> 02:31:39.180 implemented in Scotland thanks thank you I don't see any 02:31:39.180 --> 02:31:40.100 questions appreciate 02:31:40.100 --> 02:31:44.950 your comments I'm going to circle back around to Naomi 02:31:44.950 --> 02:31:46.620 would you don't know if 02:31:46.620 --> 02:31:53.370 she's come back or not no I'll just read her comments into 02:31:53.370 --> 02:31:54.299 the record then she 02:31:54.299 --> 02:31:58.350 did wish to speak she marked her card is in opposition I 02:31:58.350 --> 02:31:59.659 want more protected 02:31:59.659 --> 02:32:02.659 barrier lanes that make it easier for me and my child to 02:32:02.659 --> 02:32:03.620 make it to school 02:32:03.620 --> 02:32:13.180 safely every day my next card is from Brett Gabriel wishing 02:32:13.180 --> 02:32:18.780 to speak again 02:32:18.780 --> 02:32:21.110 this is going to public hearing if you'd like to speak 02:32:21.110 --> 02:32:22.180 please fill out a yellow 02:32:22.180 --> 02:32:24.700 card I have one more that does not wish to speak so this 02:32:24.700 --> 02:32:26.420 will be our last person 02:32:26.420 --> 02:32:29.110 that wishes to speak that's filled out a yellow card so if 02:32:29.110 --> 02:32:30.020 you would like to 02:32:30.020 --> 02:32:32.510 speak on this item please fill out a yellow card and bring 02:32:32.510 --> 02:32:33.180 that up front 02:32:33.180 --> 02:32:38.030 thank you sir hi there I'm Brett Gabriel I live at 1023 02:32:38.030 --> 02:32:39.540 South Welch Street here 02:32:39.540 --> 02:32:46.829 in Denton Texas zip code 76 201 I came to Denton to attend 02:32:46.829 --> 02:32:48.299 UNT about five years 02:32:48.299 --> 02:32:52.420 ago now love the city it's I came from Houston and I 02:32:52.420 --> 02:32:53.500 considered a bit of a step 02:32:53.500 --> 02:33:00.840 up but when I first came here I wasn't I didn't ride bikes 02:33:00.840 --> 02:33:01.540 at all it wasn't 02:33:01.540 --> 02:33:06.059 something I did but as I settled into my life here and 02:33:06.059 --> 02:33:07.340 where I was living at the 02:33:07.340 --> 02:33:11.750 time it and you know needing to get to school I had I would 02:33:11.750 --> 02:33:12.459 have to drive 02:33:12.459 --> 02:33:14.600 somewhere and I didn't want to pay for parking so I'd park 02:33:14.600 --> 02:33:15.780 somewhere off campus 02:33:15.780 --> 02:33:18.780 and take the bus in and it it took a lot of time getting 02:33:18.780 --> 02:33:19.739 the class I had to 02:33:19.739 --> 02:33:24.190 accommodate a lot for that and I decided to give cycling a 02:33:24.190 --> 02:33:25.420 try I saw people on 02:33:25.420 --> 02:33:28.420 bikes you know just going around town going around campus 02:33:28.420 --> 02:33:30.459 and I started doing 02:33:30.459 --> 02:33:33.459 that and I actually found that I was able to get from my 02:33:33.459 --> 02:33:34.500 apartment at the 02:33:34.500 --> 02:33:38.739 time to class or to work which was chicken express right 02:33:38.739 --> 02:33:39.940 there on Eagle I 02:33:39.940 --> 02:33:46.659 was able to get to work in less time and I found a doing so 02:33:46.659 --> 02:33:48.500 riding to work or 02:33:48.500 --> 02:33:51.229 class instead of just driving it improves my health and I 02:33:51.229 --> 02:33:52.299 feel like that's 02:33:52.299 --> 02:33:55.159 a story that'll be very common for that you'll hear from 02:33:55.159 --> 02:33:56.340 other cyclists if you 02:33:56.340 --> 02:34:00.750 ever you know get their take on it so for me cycling was 02:34:00.750 --> 02:34:02.340 very important and I 02:34:02.340 --> 02:34:06.420 would like to see it grow in the city where I started 02:34:06.420 --> 02:34:09.260 riding just kind of add 02:34:09.260 --> 02:34:13.319 to that earlier today while I was riding home I this was on 02:34:13.319 --> 02:34:14.819 Welch Street and 02:34:14.819 --> 02:34:17.850 approaching Eagle I was almost hit by a car wasn't actually 02:34:17.850 --> 02:34:18.899 hit nothing happened 02:34:18.899 --> 02:34:21.760 I was able to get their attention in time but they almost 02:34:21.760 --> 02:34:22.420 turned out of a 02:34:22.420 --> 02:34:25.420 parking lot and to me as I was riding down the road in the 02:34:25.420 --> 02:34:26.500 right lane so they 02:34:26.500 --> 02:34:29.500 pretty much across the entire road to almost hit me I feel 02:34:29.500 --> 02:34:30.860 that there is a 02:34:30.860 --> 02:34:35.010 lack of education which was brought up earlier and I feel 02:34:35.010 --> 02:34:37.219 when you want to if 02:34:37.219 --> 02:34:40.530 you want to teach people how to you know and to act 02:34:40.530 --> 02:34:42.739 appropriately around cyclists 02:34:42.739 --> 02:34:46.049 or how cyclists should behave on the road I think it'd be 02:34:46.049 --> 02:34:46.899 very important to 02:34:46.899 --> 02:34:49.899 work with the universities on that on that kind of thing 02:34:49.899 --> 02:34:50.940 they're bringing on a 02:34:50.940 --> 02:34:53.340 lot of new students such as myself and when I first started 02:34:53.340 --> 02:34:54.059 I didn't really 02:34:54.059 --> 02:34:57.100 know what I was doing I was pulled over a few times for not 02:34:57.100 --> 02:34:58.459 having lights given 02:34:58.459 --> 02:35:01.319 the warning since I was new but I feel like that's that's 02:35:01.319 --> 02:35:02.459 the right thing to do 02:35:02.459 --> 02:35:06.899 and I have I have run a stop I have run stop signs in the 02:35:06.899 --> 02:35:07.940 past I'm guilty of 02:35:07.940 --> 02:35:11.010 that and I've been ticketed for that and it was the right 02:35:11.010 --> 02:35:12.819 thing I wasn't being 02:35:12.819 --> 02:35:15.899 safe and I've learned my lessons since then and I try to 02:35:15.899 --> 02:35:18.360 follow as many of the 02:35:18.360 --> 02:35:23.379 traffic laws as I can while still keeping my safety in mind 02:35:23.379 --> 02:35:25.100 thank you thank 02:35:25.100 --> 02:35:30.139 you I don't have any questions from anybody thank you sir 02:35:30.139 --> 02:35:30.700 appreciate your 02:35:30.700 --> 02:35:37.020 comments the last card I have this evening is from Brandon 02:35:37.020 --> 02:35:39.219 Babbitt 2500 West 02:35:39.219 --> 02:35:46.010 Hickory apartment 24 in support supports addition of bike 02:35:46.010 --> 02:35:47.620 lane mandates and 02:35:47.620 --> 02:35:51.340 future road construction in the mobility plan as an active 02:35:51.340 --> 02:35:51.979 cyclist who 02:35:51.979 --> 02:35:57.639 lives on biking that's the last card I have so far this is 02:35:57.639 --> 02:35:58.500 a public hearing 02:35:58.500 --> 02:36:01.129 anyone else that would like to speak please come forward 02:36:01.129 --> 02:36:01.940 and then you can 02:36:01.940 --> 02:36:07.370 fill out a yellow card after your comments please come to 02:36:07.370 --> 02:36:09.860 the microphone if 02:36:09.860 --> 02:36:12.190 you will give us your name and address and when you're 02:36:12.190 --> 02:36:13.219 finished you can fill 02:36:13.219 --> 02:36:16.879 out a yellow card over here thank you my name is my name is 02:36:16.879 --> 02:36:18.139 my name is Francis 02:36:18.139 --> 02:36:24.780 Chen I'm at 709 Chateau Court 76209 a lot of speakers have 02:36:24.780 --> 02:36:25.420 spoken very 02:36:25.420 --> 02:36:29.430 eloquently and very in with a lot of passion as far as how 02:36:29.430 --> 02:36:30.700 they feel about 02:36:30.700 --> 02:36:34.420 the infrastructure as well as as a typical end user of so 02:36:34.420 --> 02:36:35.500 many services 02:36:35.500 --> 02:36:40.350 it's I use what I see I started out as a person with no car 02:36:40.350 --> 02:36:41.540 and only a bicycle 02:36:41.540 --> 02:36:46.190 now I drive a station wagon and I and I and I cycle for for 02:36:46.190 --> 02:36:48.340 pleasure the one 02:36:48.340 --> 02:36:52.819 thing that I haven't heard as concretely that I'd like to 02:36:52.819 --> 02:36:54.340 put on the table is is 02:36:54.340 --> 02:36:59.190 I've lived in San Marcos and in Austin which is largely a 02:36:59.190 --> 02:37:00.299 bicycle friendly 02:37:00.299 --> 02:37:04.590 communities both of them having said that the the 02:37:04.590 --> 02:37:06.139 philosophical take there is 02:37:06.139 --> 02:37:09.559 is your illegal user of the road so you obey the rules and 02:37:09.559 --> 02:37:10.579 you get the right to 02:37:10.579 --> 02:37:13.889 the road what I applaud about the city of Denton and I hope 02:37:13.889 --> 02:37:14.819 Denton doesn't sit 02:37:14.819 --> 02:37:18.319 sit on his laurels and continues to grow in this is that it 02:37:18.319 --> 02:37:19.899 actually advocates and 02:37:19.899 --> 02:37:22.229 looks out for the cyclists and that's what I've been seeing 02:37:22.229 --> 02:37:22.899 in the last few 02:37:22.899 --> 02:37:27.469 years and that's the comment that I wanted to make I have 02:37:27.469 --> 02:37:28.659 one question for 02:37:28.659 --> 02:37:32.350 you not a question Commissioner Detowitz not it's not a 02:37:32.350 --> 02:37:33.979 question I can hold my 02:37:33.979 --> 02:37:41.610 comments till after public oh sir for your comments in this 02:37:41.610 --> 02:37:42.620 public hearing 02:37:42.620 --> 02:37:48.170 anybody who would like to speak please come down state your 02:37:48.170 --> 02:37:49.420 name and address 02:37:49.420 --> 02:37:51.750 and then after your comments if you'll fill out a yellow 02:37:51.750 --> 02:37:52.659 card appreciate it 02:37:52.659 --> 02:37:56.170 where's brand new prey I live at a 1002 North Bonnie Bray 02:37:56.170 --> 02:37:58.180 Street in Texas I'm an 02:37:58.180 --> 02:38:01.229 owner of a bicycle shop called Sprockets Bicycle Shop we 02:38:01.229 --> 02:38:02.899 started five years ago I 02:38:02.899 --> 02:38:06.020 moved here about seven eight years ago for school and I 02:38:06.020 --> 02:38:07.979 mean we started at a 02:38:07.979 --> 02:38:10.690 little hole in the wall spot we're paying 900 bucks didn't 02:38:10.690 --> 02:38:11.139 have AC or 02:38:11.139 --> 02:38:16.360 anything I think we grossed probably 15,000 that year now 02:38:16.360 --> 02:38:18.180 we're about ten 02:38:18.180 --> 02:38:21.649 times that I have these stories are countless of people who 02:38:21.649 --> 02:38:22.620 have come Denton 02:38:22.620 --> 02:38:27.649 from a you know suburban wasteland and and discovered a new 02:38:27.649 --> 02:38:29.100 lease on life or a 02:38:29.100 --> 02:38:32.489 new a new way of getting around new way of just you know 02:38:32.489 --> 02:38:33.700 exploring their their 02:38:33.700 --> 02:38:37.379 surroundings and I think would be a real shame to to not 02:38:37.379 --> 02:38:38.739 kind of see and take the 02:38:38.739 --> 02:38:42.809 progressive stance as to see a society you know least 02:38:42.809 --> 02:38:44.739 locally that we can kind 02:38:44.739 --> 02:38:47.739 of see that would see kind of passive petroleum kind of 02:38:47.739 --> 02:38:49.420 base economy and I 02:38:49.420 --> 02:38:52.420 think that you know the success of my business and 02:38:52.420 --> 02:38:53.940 everything that the city 02:38:53.940 --> 02:38:56.940 of Denton has given for me just means that I want to you 02:38:56.940 --> 02:38:57.700 know be able to 02:38:57.700 --> 02:39:00.270 support that and and I think that owning a bike shop and 02:39:00.270 --> 02:39:01.340 you know supporting the 02:39:01.340 --> 02:39:04.200 the local community is the best way I could do that thank 02:39:04.200 --> 02:39:07.739 you thank you 02:39:09.260 --> 02:39:13.329 against public hearing anyone who'd like to speak please 02:39:13.329 --> 02:39:16.260 come down at this time 02:39:20.579 --> 02:39:23.680 seeing no one else I'm going to close the public hearing 02:39:23.680 --> 02:39:26.180 and I will open the 02:39:26.180 --> 02:39:33.670 floor for discussion or emotion commissioner Dudowitz thank 02:39:33.670 --> 02:39:34.459 you chair 02:39:34.459 --> 02:39:37.670 just some comments to the biking community and to the 02:39:37.670 --> 02:39:39.700 general public but 02:39:39.700 --> 02:39:45.540 first I was a biker bicycles so my daughter decided my bike 02:39:45.540 --> 02:39:46.020 was better than 02:39:46.020 --> 02:39:48.879 hers and I haven't seen my bicycle in three years now I 02:39:48.879 --> 02:39:50.979 plan to get it back 02:39:50.979 --> 02:39:55.049 number a couple of things that that we as a commission over 02:39:55.049 --> 02:39:56.299 the years and I'm 02:39:56.299 --> 02:39:59.129 sure it's been longer for some of the commissioners up here 02:39:59.129 --> 02:40:00.260 than myself we've 02:40:00.260 --> 02:40:05.489 been wrestling with this day-to-day frustration streets and 02:40:05.489 --> 02:40:06.579 congestion and 02:40:06.579 --> 02:40:10.120 one of the things that was eye-opening to me early on to 02:40:10.120 --> 02:40:11.700 come to find that most 02:40:11.700 --> 02:40:16.180 of our major streets and thoroughfares in Denton are owned 02:40:16.180 --> 02:40:17.459 by county or the 02:40:17.459 --> 02:40:21.379 state so those death traps out there that you talk about 02:40:21.379 --> 02:40:22.739 also affect us car 02:40:22.739 --> 02:40:30.000 owners to yeah McKinney Teasley University Drive state- 02:40:30.000 --> 02:40:31.219 owned and 02:40:31.219 --> 02:40:34.819 maintained and what they want to do with those is their 02:40:34.819 --> 02:40:36.260 rights and we've had 02:40:36.260 --> 02:40:40.370 frustrations with that as we looked at many times of road 02:40:40.370 --> 02:40:41.899 conditions but I must 02:40:41.899 --> 02:40:44.340 say that when we get an opportunity this commission has 02:40:44.340 --> 02:40:45.500 asked for bicycle racks 02:40:45.500 --> 02:40:50.350 thanks to miss Briegel and every development that we see 02:40:50.350 --> 02:40:51.459 having said 02:40:51.459 --> 02:40:57.379 that we're still measuring in on this issue because this is 02:40:57.379 --> 02:40:58.860 a big in all of 02:40:58.860 --> 02:41:02.170 our discussions if we in fact this mobility plan has been 02:41:02.170 --> 02:41:03.020 in front of us 02:41:03.020 --> 02:41:07.500 under how many months months and so we've addressed and 02:41:07.500 --> 02:41:08.260 readdressed and 02:41:08.260 --> 02:41:12.180 addressed it again and again I'm not sure where we are 02:41:12.180 --> 02:41:13.540 exactly but let you 02:41:13.540 --> 02:41:17.079 know that from to the public we hear you and taking a lot 02:41:17.079 --> 02:41:17.940 of that into 02:41:17.940 --> 02:41:20.940 consideration the road conditions for instance I mean I 02:41:20.940 --> 02:41:22.020 know what you have to 02:41:22.020 --> 02:41:24.420 go through because we have to drive over them also and have 02:41:24.420 --> 02:41:25.180 to walk on them and 02:41:25.180 --> 02:41:27.540 they're not great I can't imagine what they're like for 02:41:27.540 --> 02:41:28.700 bicycles it's 02:41:28.700 --> 02:41:32.760 something that we we bring up as much as we can so we're 02:41:32.760 --> 02:41:34.100 with you in that respect 02:41:34.100 --> 02:41:37.760 and any comments you bring to us we take seriously so thank 02:41:37.760 --> 02:41:38.340 you for for 02:41:38.340 --> 02:41:43.840 participating and giving us your comments Commissioner Rose 02:41:43.840 --> 02:41:44.819 lle thank you 02:41:44.819 --> 02:41:48.420 chair I first just wanted to say thank you for everyone to 02:41:48.420 --> 02:41:49.059 show up and 02:41:49.059 --> 02:41:52.370 comments it was especially helpful to me to hear the 02:41:52.370 --> 02:41:54.059 context in which you each 02:41:54.059 --> 02:41:59.469 encounter the pedestrian and bicyclist traffic to that end 02:41:59.469 --> 02:42:00.700 I want to throw out 02:42:00.700 --> 02:42:03.700 maybe to Commissioner Briegel or to someone else in the 02:42:03.700 --> 02:42:04.819 Commission two weeks 02:42:04.819 --> 02:42:07.649 ago and this came to the Commission there was no one in 02:42:07.649 --> 02:42:08.379 attendance for 02:42:08.379 --> 02:42:12.899 bicycle advocacy and it seemed as though there's some 02:42:12.899 --> 02:42:13.659 statements in the work 02:42:13.659 --> 02:42:16.729 session last week that spawned some involvement this week 02:42:16.729 --> 02:42:17.620 which I think is 02:42:17.620 --> 02:42:20.620 great but I wonder if there's a way that we can be more 02:42:20.620 --> 02:42:22.260 directly out there for 02:42:22.260 --> 02:42:25.840 y'all so that that we doesn't come to a postponement then a 02:42:25.840 --> 02:42:28.059 Facebook group to 02:42:28.059 --> 02:42:30.920 get this level of support I would have loved to seen two 02:42:30.920 --> 02:42:32.059 weeks ago and if this 02:42:32.059 --> 02:42:34.889 comes up again in the future you all be aware and someone 02:42:34.889 --> 02:42:35.899 mentioned that that you 02:42:35.899 --> 02:42:38.899 had friends that weren't aware of what was going on and I 02:42:38.899 --> 02:42:40.260 just I would suggest 02:42:40.260 --> 02:42:43.700 if there's a way that we can get to the bike community 02:42:43.700 --> 02:42:45.379 better because again this 02:42:45.379 --> 02:42:48.079 was helpful for me to hear and I'm thankful that y'all came 02:42:48.079 --> 02:42:48.780 and provided 02:42:48.780 --> 02:42:52.090 that context to me personally and so I just wanted to see 02:42:52.090 --> 02:42:52.860 if there's a 02:42:52.860 --> 02:42:56.540 disconnect that can be remedied in terms of getting y'all 02:42:56.540 --> 02:42:58.899 more vocal more often 02:42:58.899 --> 02:43:01.989 in these discussions and the second thing I wanted to talk 02:43:01.989 --> 02:43:02.620 about real 02:43:02.620 --> 02:43:06.170 briefly is there's there's counter talk earlier about a 02:43:06.170 --> 02:43:07.299 hundred percent 02:43:07.299 --> 02:43:10.299 feasibility and whether that's pie in the sky or a 02:43:10.299 --> 02:43:11.819 legitimate goal and to be 02:43:11.819 --> 02:43:14.680 honest I don't know it seems a little idealistic but 02:43:14.680 --> 02:43:15.340 nevertheless maybe 02:43:15.340 --> 02:43:18.360 something we strive for but that's it to that end miss Var 02:43:18.360 --> 02:43:19.180 gas brought up a great 02:43:19.180 --> 02:43:25.149 point of bike routes being a potential solution and I don't 02:43:25.149 --> 02:43:26.059 know about the bike 02:43:26.059 --> 02:43:29.180 plan and maybe someone who's on that committee could speak 02:43:29.180 --> 02:43:30.020 to if there was 02:43:30.020 --> 02:43:34.739 the idea of carving out popular routes as a priority in 02:43:34.739 --> 02:43:37.059 terms of the mobility 02:43:37.059 --> 02:43:40.799 plan to see if we can see the high traffic and target those 02:43:40.799 --> 02:43:41.739 and to Mr. 02:43:41.739 --> 02:43:44.739 Dudowitz point the ones that we can control if there's ways 02:43:44.739 --> 02:43:45.340 that we can 02:43:45.340 --> 02:43:50.190 intervene and prioritize based on maybe some ideal routes 02:43:50.190 --> 02:43:52.180 through the city I'm 02:43:52.180 --> 02:43:54.700 asking more questions and I'm providing solutions for I 02:43:54.700 --> 02:43:55.659 understand but I just 02:43:55.659 --> 02:43:59.860 wanted to put those two points out there I'd like to 02:43:59.860 --> 02:44:01.620 address your first 02:44:01.620 --> 02:44:05.719 point I think the reason why a lot of people didn't know is 02:44:05.719 --> 02:44:06.540 because this was 02:44:06.540 --> 02:44:11.610 not noticed for the bicycle and pedestrian component of the 02:44:11.610 --> 02:44:12.219 mobility 02:44:12.219 --> 02:44:17.540 plan this was only noticed for the addition of the roadways 02:44:17.540 --> 02:44:18.940 so I think that 02:44:18.940 --> 02:44:23.399 we would be out of line to tie a condition for the bicycle 02:44:23.399 --> 02:44:24.579 component to 02:44:24.579 --> 02:44:29.430 this particular item that we have on the agenda now if you 02:44:29.430 --> 02:44:31.100 want to see that on 02:44:31.100 --> 02:44:35.040 the project matrix to have it come up for discussion on 02:44:35.040 --> 02:44:36.379 amendment of the 02:44:36.379 --> 02:44:39.600 bicycle component then we can do that at a later time but 02:44:39.600 --> 02:44:40.780 for the item that we 02:44:40.780 --> 02:44:44.629 have on today it's only as to the updated road provisions 02:44:44.629 --> 02:44:45.700 that we have in 02:44:45.700 --> 02:44:49.500 the packet unfortunately I see a lot of people came out 02:44:49.500 --> 02:44:50.500 today and it's truly 02:44:50.500 --> 02:44:54.100 appreciated but might be used a little bit later when we 02:44:54.100 --> 02:44:55.420 can take up that issue 02:44:55.420 --> 02:44:58.420 but right now I don't think that we can take up that issue 02:44:58.420 --> 02:45:00.139 not only that but it 02:45:00.139 --> 02:45:04.989 would also require an amendment to the DDC what you're 02:45:04.989 --> 02:45:05.340 proposing 02:45:05.340 --> 02:45:09.000 Commissioner Brigham thank you chair so that segues into 02:45:09.000 --> 02:45:10.059 what my question was 02:45:10.059 --> 02:45:13.440 going to be because what I'm hearing from the public is 02:45:13.440 --> 02:45:14.780 that they don't have 02:45:14.780 --> 02:45:19.879 many or any major concerns with the where the roads are 02:45:19.879 --> 02:45:21.940 going in fact the 02:45:21.940 --> 02:45:24.959 the concerns that were brought up a few weeks ago by some 02:45:24.959 --> 02:45:26.620 citizens about how the 02:45:26.620 --> 02:45:30.469 proximity of post oak to Clear Creek has that's been remed 02:45:30.469 --> 02:45:31.739 ied that's been moved 02:45:31.739 --> 02:45:36.670 further west and there's some support for that that route 02:45:36.670 --> 02:45:37.579 as well for post oak 02:45:37.579 --> 02:45:43.079 but what I'm hearing from the public is that that they they 02:45:43.079 --> 02:45:45.020 do want going back to 02:45:45.020 --> 02:45:51.809 my questions with PS about adding requiring bike lanes to 02:45:51.809 --> 02:45:52.739 be or bike 02:45:52.739 --> 02:45:56.420 accommodations to be added to the design criteria manual 02:45:56.420 --> 02:45:58.139 can that be an 02:45:58.139 --> 02:46:04.079 amendment to our our mobility plan no it has to those 02:46:04.079 --> 02:46:05.860 actually require a certain 02:46:05.860 --> 02:46:10.799 process within our code and there is a specific process for 02:46:10.799 --> 02:46:12.299 amending criteria 02:46:12.299 --> 02:46:15.510 manual that can be done and then also the bicycle component 02:46:15.510 --> 02:46:16.500 can come in front 02:46:16.500 --> 02:46:19.500 of you for the mobility plane we just have to notice it 02:46:19.500 --> 02:46:20.899 properly that would be 02:46:20.899 --> 02:46:23.350 another public hearing that would be another that point how 02:46:23.350 --> 02:46:24.459 long would that 02:46:24.459 --> 02:46:26.729 take for something like that to come to us like if we're 02:46:26.729 --> 02:46:27.860 approving the mobility 02:46:27.860 --> 02:46:33.459 plan tonight I just I don't want us to get behind again so 02:46:33.459 --> 02:46:34.459 how long would it 02:46:34.459 --> 02:46:36.459 take to bring something like that maybe that's a question 02:46:36.459 --> 02:46:38.739 yeah maybe we can 02:46:38.739 --> 02:46:41.969 bring that up when we do our future agenda tonight and we 02:46:41.969 --> 02:46:43.219 can add that as an 02:46:43.219 --> 02:46:46.700 item to the matrix and then we can get with staff on a time 02:46:46.700 --> 02:46:47.620 frame to do that 02:46:47.620 --> 02:46:56.579 suggestion okay well I want you to know this is all this 02:46:56.579 --> 02:46:58.340 was all heard and you 02:46:58.340 --> 02:47:00.260 know we have our bicycle and pedestrian coordinators 02:47:00.260 --> 02:47:01.379 sitting in here this evening 02:47:01.379 --> 02:47:04.750 we have a council person sitting in here this evening and 02:47:04.750 --> 02:47:06.020 and when we get to the 02:47:06.020 --> 02:47:08.549 end of tonight's meeting when we can request items for a 02:47:08.549 --> 02:47:09.540 future consideration 02:47:09.540 --> 02:47:14.010 you can be assured that I will ask for this to be to be 02:47:14.010 --> 02:47:15.860 considered and if you'd 02:47:15.860 --> 02:47:18.860 like to come again that's great if not I want you to know I 02:47:18.860 --> 02:47:20.059 heard you and I will 02:47:20.059 --> 02:47:23.909 remember each and every one of your faces and the things 02:47:23.909 --> 02:47:25.899 that you said to 02:47:25.899 --> 02:47:28.909 answer your question earlier though Commissioner Rozelle 02:47:28.909 --> 02:47:30.260 about bike paths I 02:47:30.260 --> 02:47:33.739 don't recall when I served on the bike plan task force 02:47:33.739 --> 02:47:35.100 there being a discussion 02:47:35.100 --> 02:47:40.399 about bike paths through the city we note well not we have 02:47:40.399 --> 02:47:41.540 we have one just 02:47:41.540 --> 02:47:44.979 one remember the old railroad Commissioner Dudowitz oh yes 02:47:44.979 --> 02:47:45.700 thank you 02:47:45.700 --> 02:47:49.319 oh my gosh we're here to Lake Dallas I mean yeah I think is 02:47:49.319 --> 02:47:50.260 what the concept is 02:47:50.260 --> 02:47:53.260 there is a dedicated bike path yeah goes rural but you are 02:47:53.260 --> 02:47:54.780 allowed to cross off 02:47:54.780 --> 02:47:57.780 and go into you know is it a city and stuff like yeah the 02:47:57.780 --> 02:47:58.819 focus really was on 02:47:58.819 --> 02:48:02.190 how to retrofit where we have what retrofit bike 02:48:02.190 --> 02:48:04.059 accommodations on the roads 02:48:04.059 --> 02:48:07.290 that we have but you're right the rail trail is absolutely 02:48:07.290 --> 02:48:08.299 a fantastic one it 02:48:08.299 --> 02:48:12.239 goes right through the heart of Denton so that's all I have 02:48:12.239 --> 02:48:12.579 to say thank you 02:48:12.579 --> 02:48:16.059 Commissioner Beck yes thank you chair I just want to join 02:48:16.059 --> 02:48:17.739 all my fellow 02:48:17.739 --> 02:48:20.569 commissioners and thanking everyone y'all for coming out 02:48:20.569 --> 02:48:21.899 tonight this is an 02:48:21.899 --> 02:48:26.139 enthusiastic to see I'm a biker I'm not a real professional 02:48:26.139 --> 02:48:27.059 you know get on the 02:48:27.059 --> 02:48:30.149 road type stuff but I like to bike around my little town or 02:48:30.149 --> 02:48:30.479 and I enjoy it 02:48:30.479 --> 02:48:32.489 and I've always been like that so I am a little 02:48:32.489 --> 02:48:34.020 disappointed to hear that we can 02:48:34.020 --> 02:48:37.459 we can't put an amendment to this thing tonight but I will 02:48:37.459 --> 02:48:38.819 thoroughly be with 02:48:38.819 --> 02:48:42.790 Commissioner Briegel to get something on the agenda as soon 02:48:42.790 --> 02:48:43.540 as we can and back 02:48:43.540 --> 02:48:47.459 it completely so again thank you so much for coming out 02:48:47.459 --> 02:48:47.979 tonight 02:48:47.979 --> 02:48:52.379 Commissioner Dudowitz follow-up on Ms. Briegel's comment 02:48:52.379 --> 02:48:53.500 and Larry's about 02:48:53.500 --> 02:48:59.280 where we put this in the process how do I say this maybe it 02:48:59.280 --> 02:49:00.420 's more political than 02:49:00.420 --> 02:49:04.209 anything else but right now when our streets are designed 02:49:04.209 --> 02:49:05.219 and to be built 02:49:05.219 --> 02:49:08.860 there's no oversight the engineering department can build 02:49:08.860 --> 02:49:10.979 what they want when 02:49:10.979 --> 02:49:14.829 they want it and there's no oversight I am proposing I have 02:49:14.829 --> 02:49:15.180 just had 02:49:15.180 --> 02:49:18.420 discussions but it's not yet formalized it that a 02:49:18.420 --> 02:49:20.219 commission such as this or a 02:49:20.219 --> 02:49:24.370 public commission review the plan for logic and for types 02:49:24.370 --> 02:49:25.579 of things that say 02:49:25.579 --> 02:49:28.750 wait a minute where is the bicycle path why are we cutting 02:49:28.750 --> 02:49:29.819 out a entrance to a 02:49:29.819 --> 02:49:32.440 shopping center why are we blocking this and why is that 02:49:32.440 --> 02:49:33.500 media in there because I 02:49:33.500 --> 02:49:37.020 can't have access into this or that and right now there's 02:49:37.020 --> 02:49:38.459 currently no oversight 02:49:38.459 --> 02:49:41.459 for that process now they do take into consideration 02:49:41.459 --> 02:49:43.180 comments made in open 02:49:43.180 --> 02:49:47.100 house discussions or in whatever discussions neighborhood 02:49:47.100 --> 02:49:47.940 discussions 02:49:47.940 --> 02:49:50.940 to have but when they start to break ground there's no 02:49:50.940 --> 02:49:52.379 oversight so I think 02:49:52.379 --> 02:49:55.870 maybe this is a process by which we can you know think and 02:49:55.870 --> 02:49:57.180 put in place that we 02:49:57.180 --> 02:49:59.879 have people that ask where are the bicycle paths where are 02:49:59.879 --> 02:50:00.500 the bicycle 02:50:00.500 --> 02:50:03.870 routes in this particular design and sometimes it may or 02:50:03.870 --> 02:50:04.459 may not be 02:50:04.459 --> 02:50:08.030 accommodated but at least we have some oversight some view 02:50:08.030 --> 02:50:09.219 some input to that 02:50:09.219 --> 02:50:12.360 process so I'm looking forward to putting that in place 02:50:12.360 --> 02:50:13.059 within the next 02:50:13.059 --> 02:50:16.500 year and look for some port from various council people as 02:50:16.500 --> 02:50:16.879 well as 02:50:16.879 --> 02:50:23.139 commissioners thank you commissioner Hussbuss thank you so 02:50:23.139 --> 02:50:25.059 again I want to 02:50:25.059 --> 02:50:29.379 echo everyone else's sentiments that the the activity is is 02:50:29.379 --> 02:50:31.379 much appreciated the 02:50:31.379 --> 02:50:35.649 insight very much appreciated I don't know that I have 02:50:35.649 --> 02:50:37.260 three bikes in my 02:50:37.260 --> 02:50:41.200 garage and that's where I stay so it's it really helps me 02:50:41.200 --> 02:50:42.579 because I'm living 02:50:42.579 --> 02:50:46.260 vicariously through you and so the information is as well 02:50:46.260 --> 02:50:48.219 received and I am 02:50:48.219 --> 02:50:52.409 a I appreciate the difference it makes because I get a 02:50:52.409 --> 02:50:53.739 little closer to trail 02:50:53.739 --> 02:50:56.600 there and I've seen the sense of community the people 02:50:56.600 --> 02:50:57.700 passing through and 02:50:57.700 --> 02:51:02.549 I enjoy it very much to that end I really would and I don't 02:51:02.549 --> 02:51:03.860 know who kind 02:51:03.860 --> 02:51:08.340 of facilitates this city see why and then also I solicit 02:51:08.340 --> 02:51:09.819 from anyone that 02:51:09.819 --> 02:51:16.079 spoke tonight to email me the the pads through through didn 02:51:16.079 --> 02:51:17.780 't that function 02:51:17.780 --> 02:51:21.379 well because I think I'm more of a practical application my 02:51:21.379 --> 02:51:21.940 mind just 02:51:21.940 --> 02:51:25.530 thinks that way and I think scripture is very busy because 02:51:25.530 --> 02:51:27.180 there's no red lights 02:51:27.180 --> 02:51:29.899 so when I lived on Bonnie Bray and I needed to get from 02:51:29.899 --> 02:51:31.579 here to there quickly 02:51:31.579 --> 02:51:35.360 you go down scripture because you have one stops on there 02:51:35.360 --> 02:51:36.819 by mr. chopsticks and 02:51:36.819 --> 02:51:40.379 then you're good all the way to pass frosty you know so 02:51:40.379 --> 02:51:41.659 those are things that 02:51:41.659 --> 02:51:45.319 we need to I think mr. Briggle touched on it's a cultural 02:51:45.319 --> 02:51:46.299 thing so it's it's 02:51:46.299 --> 02:51:48.870 kind of traffic patterns and flows and and how do we 02:51:48.870 --> 02:51:50.180 incorporate that into a 02:51:50.180 --> 02:51:53.600 good plan that allows bike riders to get to where they're 02:51:53.600 --> 02:51:55.059 going safely so I would 02:51:55.059 --> 02:51:59.909 solicit any information via email on on pathing you know if 02:51:59.909 --> 02:52:00.780 you're riding to 02:52:00.780 --> 02:52:05.239 school this street works well because absent being able to 02:52:05.239 --> 02:52:06.739 get 100% approval 02:52:06.739 --> 02:52:10.479 I would like to be able to speak intelligently about this 02:52:10.479 --> 02:52:11.260 road is one 02:52:11.260 --> 02:52:13.719 that is absolutely key and even when you're looking at the 02:52:13.719 --> 02:52:15.139 mobility plan it 02:52:15.139 --> 02:52:20.819 focuses on new roads that are on neighborhoods that aren't 02:52:20.819 --> 02:52:21.620 here yet so I 02:52:21.620 --> 02:52:25.180 want to look at actual roads that are ongoing that we can 02:52:25.180 --> 02:52:26.540 affect sooner than 02:52:26.540 --> 02:52:30.889 later and have a tangible application to change those 02:52:30.889 --> 02:52:33.100 traffic patterns and with 02:52:33.100 --> 02:52:37.219 that I just need information because I can't the time it'll 02:52:37.219 --> 02:52:38.459 take me to gather 02:52:38.459 --> 02:52:41.530 it myself and it's just not realistic so someone that's 02:52:41.530 --> 02:52:43.659 doing it every day proves 02:52:43.659 --> 02:52:47.510 of great value for me to understand which roads we need to 02:52:47.510 --> 02:52:48.739 focus on and hone 02:52:48.739 --> 02:52:53.870 in on so and I think and yeah and I so I think that's 02:52:53.870 --> 02:52:56.299 everything that jumped out 02:52:56.299 --> 02:52:59.299 of me that I so I don't know who helps with that but I'd 02:52:59.299 --> 02:53:00.979 love to see it thank 02:53:00.979 --> 02:53:06.500 you Commissioner Bruegel thank you chair so I think if we 02:53:06.500 --> 02:53:07.780 're wrapping up the 02:53:07.780 --> 02:53:13.000 discussion I'm ready to make a motion on this but before I 02:53:13.000 --> 02:53:14.180 do I want you to know 02:53:14.180 --> 02:53:19.799 that I am very much committed to seeing that the reality of 02:53:19.799 --> 02:53:21.659 100% of our roads 02:53:21.659 --> 02:53:24.850 having some sort of bike accommodation there you are all 02:53:24.850 --> 02:53:25.979 every one of you in 02:53:25.979 --> 02:53:29.459 this room is a taxpayer you you have paid for these roads 02:53:29.459 --> 02:53:30.299 and every single 02:53:30.299 --> 02:53:33.610 one of you has spoken in favor of more bike accommodations 02:53:33.610 --> 02:53:34.500 so we ought to make 02:53:34.500 --> 02:53:36.920 that a reality we owe that to you the citizens the 02:53:36.920 --> 02:53:38.139 taxpayers to make that 02:53:38.139 --> 02:53:43.100 happen unfortunately I can't I guess legally add that to my 02:53:43.100 --> 02:53:43.700 motion tonight 02:53:43.700 --> 02:53:46.159 but I want you to know I'm gonna bring it up here in a 02:53:46.159 --> 02:53:48.620 minute so I move for 02:53:48.620 --> 02:53:53.700 approval of the mobility plan with that the option of the H 02:53:53.700 --> 02:53:55.360 ickory Creek addition 02:53:55.360 --> 02:54:02.860 to the south and option a for the post oak addition not 02:54:02.860 --> 02:54:04.540 option one but option a 02:54:04.540 --> 02:54:09.020 that takes it north and to the west yeah and that would be 02:54:09.020 --> 02:54:12.020 that's my motion 02:54:15.819 --> 02:54:18.899 just a clarification Commissioner Bruegel what about 02:54:18.899 --> 02:54:21.620 Collins oh pardon me I thank 02:54:21.620 --> 02:54:24.840 you Collins yet thank you chair so Collins was was not 02:54:24.840 --> 02:54:25.840 included in the 02:54:25.840 --> 02:54:29.010 mobility plan for this evening so I would like to also not 02:54:29.010 --> 02:54:29.979 include that in 02:54:29.979 --> 02:54:35.450 my motion thank you for the clarification Commissioner Rose 02:54:35.450 --> 02:54:35.700 lle I 02:54:35.700 --> 02:54:39.899 second the motion as Commissioner Bruegel stated so elo 02:54:39.899 --> 02:54:44.700 quently yes we have a 02:54:44.700 --> 02:54:57.829 first and a second any further discussion or comments no 02:54:57.829 --> 02:55:00.059 more okay I 02:55:00.059 --> 02:55:12.729 will call for a vote on the board the motion passes six to 02:55:12.729 --> 02:55:16.299 zero that will take 02:55:16.299 --> 02:55:26.309 us to our final item for this evening to do our concluding 02:55:26.309 --> 02:55:28.260 items Commissioner 02:55:28.260 --> 02:55:31.819 Bruegel thank you chair I would like something to be added 02:55:31.819 --> 02:55:32.700 to the matrix for 02:55:32.700 --> 02:55:37.639 us to review the design criteria manual to ensure that all 02:55:37.639 --> 02:55:38.739 future road 02:55:38.739 --> 02:55:44.440 construction in Denton requires some bike accommodation in 02:55:44.440 --> 02:55:45.780 addition to 02:55:45.780 --> 02:55:52.180 sidewalks thank you the bicycle component of the mobility 02:55:52.180 --> 02:55:52.780 yes ma'am and 02:55:52.780 --> 02:55:56.700 every review of the bicycle component thank you 02:55:56.700 --> 02:55:59.299 Commissioner Roselle thank you 02:55:59.299 --> 02:56:02.829 chair it is my understanding from Julie Anderson that the 02:56:02.829 --> 02:56:03.940 bike counts that have 02:56:03.940 --> 02:56:06.170 been done over the seven sites back in September would be 02:56:06.170 --> 02:56:07.100 available this month 02:56:07.100 --> 02:56:11.329 I would request a report from perhaps Julie Anderson if it 02:56:11.329 --> 02:56:12.260 's applicable from 02:56:12.260 --> 02:56:17.170 her to provide the the bike counts from that study back in 02:56:17.170 --> 02:56:18.180 September 02:56:23.659 --> 02:56:27.729 Commissioner Bruegel thank you chair I also have meaning to 02:56:27.729 --> 02:56:29.899 bring this up 02:56:29.899 --> 02:56:35.180 there's a tiny house movement that's really taken off in a 02:56:35.180 --> 02:56:36.780 lot of the denser 02:56:36.780 --> 02:56:41.680 urban areas and I'm not quite clear in our development code 02:56:41.680 --> 02:56:43.219 if tiny houses are 02:56:43.219 --> 02:56:43.219 allowed because there's a certain lot coverage that's 02:56:43.219 --> 02:56:49.579 required and I just to 02:56:49.579 --> 02:56:54.010 be clear that these are not necessarily out buildings such 02:56:54.010 --> 02:56:55.260 as like a garage 02:56:55.260 --> 02:56:57.989 apartment but I'm just wondering if we I don't think we 02:56:57.989 --> 02:56:59.100 have anything in our 02:56:59.100 --> 02:57:02.100 development code that clearly defines a tiny house and or 02:57:02.100 --> 02:57:05.059 if they are permissible 02:57:05.059 --> 02:57:08.059 in the city limits I was just kind of curious if we could 02:57:08.059 --> 02:57:10.100 explore that are you 02:57:10.100 --> 02:57:12.350 talking if I could just clarify that for the record are you 02:57:12.350 --> 02:57:13.260 talking about with a 02:57:13.260 --> 02:57:17.040 primary structure or standalone I'm like a grandmother pod 02:57:17.040 --> 02:57:18.379 or no no no no no like 02:57:18.379 --> 02:57:21.569 as a standalone I mean I've seen you probably seen these in 02:57:21.569 --> 02:57:22.299 dense urban 02:57:22.299 --> 02:57:24.489 areas where they have tiny houses kind of all lined up and 02:57:24.489 --> 02:57:25.299 they create little 02:57:25.299 --> 02:57:28.780 neighborhoods of tiny houses so just if we could explore 02:57:28.780 --> 02:57:29.940 that in the future 02:57:29.940 --> 02:57:38.260 thank you any other items for our future agenda 02:57:40.139 --> 02:57:45.129 sure with regard to Commissioner Bruegel and Commissioner 02:57:45.129 --> 02:57:46.299 Roselle's request on 02:57:46.299 --> 02:57:51.940 the information on the design criteria manual the bicycle 02:57:51.940 --> 02:57:53.020 component of the 02:57:53.020 --> 02:57:56.110 mobility plan and the bike counts we will get with the 02:57:56.110 --> 02:57:57.540 relevant departments 02:57:57.540 --> 02:58:00.639 and we will coordinate that activity with them and try and 02:58:00.639 --> 02:58:01.340 get you that 02:58:01.340 --> 02:58:05.260 information so as soon as we have some timelines from them 02:58:05.260 --> 02:58:08.180 coordinate that 02:58:10.860 --> 02:58:15.389 seeing no other comments I'm going to close our planning 02:58:15.389 --> 02:58:16.739 and zoning commission 02:58:16.739 --> 02:58:21.139 meeting tonight at 850 thank you all for coming out and 02:58:21.139 --> 02:58:22.819 sharing your comments