1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,900 November the 18th. It's five o'clock and our meeting is du 2 00:00:04,900 --> 00:00:05,960 ly posted and we have a 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,599 quorum present and our first order of business is to 4 00:00:09,599 --> 00:00:11,279 receive a report on our 5 00:00:11,279 --> 00:00:14,279 agenda items and I will turn that over to Manal for 6 00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:16,199 presentation please. Thank 7 00:00:16,199 --> 00:00:19,519 you Chairperson Strange. First item is the preliminary plan 8 00:00:19,519 --> 00:00:20,440 for fireside perk 9 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:27,449 addition. I'm going to ask Julie Wyatt to present this. 10 00:00:27,449 --> 00:00:37,560 Good evening. Okay y'all may 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,420 remember this project it was a zoning case earlier in the 12 00:00:40,420 --> 00:00:42,159 year. For some of you 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,490 you may remember it was a zoning case earlier in the year. 14 00:00:44,490 --> 00:00:45,280 They've now come 15 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,000 back and their preliminary platting and then you'll see a 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,420 final plat. There are 17 00:00:50,420 --> 00:00:56,320 actually doing it in phases. Phase one and then phase two 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,159 will be second so it's 19 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:03,320 101 lots and I'll stand for any questions if you have them. 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,439 It is a gated 21 00:01:04,439 --> 00:01:09,319 community in case you are. Commissioner Beck. Thank you 22 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:10,359 Chair. I just have one 23 00:01:10,359 --> 00:01:14,019 question. How big are these houses? These lots look pretty 24 00:01:14,019 --> 00:01:18,439 small. It meets the density requirements. Subchapter 5 does 25 00:01:18,439 --> 00:01:19,840 allow for 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,760 instead of minimum lot size requirements a density 27 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,359 requirement for the zoning 28 00:01:26,359 --> 00:01:28,870 district and it does meet them. I'm not quite sure what the 29 00:01:28,870 --> 00:01:29,799 final product of the 30 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:33,420 houses will be but I think the intent is to have smaller 31 00:01:33,420 --> 00:01:34,799 lots with more open 32 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:37,950 space that's community-owned. They've got walking trails 33 00:01:37,950 --> 00:01:39,560 and more park 34 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,969 amenities and smaller lots. Has it been suggested that 35 00:01:42,969 --> 00:01:44,560 these might be starter 36 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,700 homes? It's actually going to be an age restricted 55 and 37 00:01:49,700 --> 00:01:51,519 older so I believe and 38 00:01:51,519 --> 00:01:55,040 and I don't see the applicant here but I believe their 39 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,799 intent is to have an HOA 40 00:01:56,799 --> 00:02:00,400 that maintains all the open spaces for all the lot so they 41 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,840 're more of a smaller 42 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:09,800 lot footprint. Thank you. Sure. Any other questions on this 43 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,599 item? Thank you Julie. 44 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:18,800 All right thank you. Thank you Julie. The next item is the 45 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:19,479 preliminary 46 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:21,939 plat of the courts of Bonnie Bray. I'm going to ask Mike 47 00:02:21,939 --> 00:02:23,080 Bell, our senior planner, 48 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:32,530 to make this presentation. Thank you Manal. This is a 49 00:02:32,530 --> 00:02:36,360 preliminary plat for the 50 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,870 courts of Bonnie Bray. It's a residential subdivision. We 51 00:02:39,870 --> 00:02:42,280 are proposing I believe 52 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,280 106 residential lots kind of off South Bonnie Bray and 53 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,159 Island Park. Kind of 54 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:52,439 unique aspect of this plat is you'll see the future 55 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,710 excuse me expansion and realignment of Bonnie Bray here to 56 00:02:56,710 --> 00:02:58,000 the west side of the 57 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,310 property. They have provided access to other residential 58 00:03:01,310 --> 00:03:02,560 zone properties here 59 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,250 here as well as to the south and will connect to Highland 60 00:03:05,250 --> 00:03:06,199 Park to the north. 61 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:13,159 I'll stand for any questions. Commissioner Beck. On the are 62 00:03:13,159 --> 00:03:14,599 there it says 63 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:18,759 there's three existing drilling and production sites. 64 00:03:18,759 --> 00:03:22,120 Correct. Can you show me all 65 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,120 three on this map because I can only locate two and I'm 66 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:25,319 sure they're all up here. 67 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:30,729 For the ordinance requires that any gas well drilling site 68 00:03:30,729 --> 00:03:31,360 within a thousand feet 69 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,610 be marked on the plat. So we have one shown here. This is 70 00:03:35,610 --> 00:03:37,039 an existing gas well 71 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:40,039 pad site. We have one here that has three existing wells 72 00:03:40,039 --> 00:03:41,240 and approval for one more 73 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,449 and then we have one pad site that's not yet been developed 74 00:03:44,449 --> 00:03:45,240 but it has been 75 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,900 approved as part of their gas well plat. Okay the fact that 76 00:03:48,900 --> 00:03:49,960 it's been approved 77 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:56,229 then does that got to follow the reverse setback? I believe 78 00:03:56,229 --> 00:03:57,199 it was approved prior 79 00:03:57,199 --> 00:04:00,300 to the reverse setback being in place. Okay. So it follows 80 00:04:00,300 --> 00:04:00,960 the rules of when it 81 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,280 was the gas well plat was approved. So it can be within 250 82 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,280 or it can be at 250 feet? 83 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,800 Yeah but it's actually meeting this. If you read the 84 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,159 dimension here I can zoom 85 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:13,889 into it but all these are exceeding the setback 86 00:04:13,889 --> 00:04:15,360 requirements. They're getting 87 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,939 pretty close on this lot but they've they've kind of 88 00:04:17,939 --> 00:04:18,959 designed it so that no 89 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:22,550 houses can be designed can be built there. Thank you. I 90 00:04:22,550 --> 00:04:23,240 have a question. 91 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,829 Commissioner Roselle. Thank you. You mentioned that they 92 00:04:26,829 --> 00:04:27,720 have the new Bonnie 93 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,790 Bray cut in. It looks like that new Bonnie Bray is gonna 94 00:04:30,790 --> 00:04:32,279 hit that gas pad 95 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,629 site or is it set to move or what what happens in a 96 00:04:35,629 --> 00:04:38,279 conflict area like that? 97 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,279 That's a good question. Earl do you have anything to add on 98 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,920 that? It could be that 99 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,250 it was it could be that it was purchased and then maybe 100 00:04:47,250 --> 00:04:48,040 they're not they've 101 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,269 abandoned their plans to do that well but it is showing up 102 00:04:50,269 --> 00:04:51,040 on their gas well 103 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,079 plat and so we made them reflected on on this plat. That's 104 00:04:55,079 --> 00:04:57,519 correct. That would have 105 00:04:57,519 --> 00:05:00,389 been handled during the right away acquisition process and 106 00:05:00,389 --> 00:05:01,199 I'm sure I don't 107 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:04,279 know the legalities of what's involved and when they 108 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:05,879 purchased the right away 109 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:09,189 with a gas well plot being approved. There's no gas wells 110 00:05:09,189 --> 00:05:10,720 located on it. Okay. 111 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,029 So potentially there wouldn't be an issue with like capping 112 00:05:14,029 --> 00:05:15,160 out a gas well or 113 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,899 anything like that. There's no gas well facilities on this 114 00:05:17,899 --> 00:05:18,439 on that pad side. 115 00:05:18,439 --> 00:05:28,269 Thank you. Any other questions on this item? Thank you Mike 116 00:05:28,269 --> 00:05:29,720 . Mike would you go 117 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,800 ahead and dive into the next preliminary plat for Villa Cad 118 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:34,680 ena edition please. 119 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,360 This is the preliminary plat Villa Cadena edition. This is 120 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:39,439 as part of the 121 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:43,660 McKinney-Dinton Apartments the SUP you saw just a bit ago. 122 00:05:43,660 --> 00:05:45,319 This reflects their 123 00:05:45,319 --> 00:05:48,149 act their two access points onto McKinney and their 124 00:05:48,149 --> 00:05:49,720 internal drive that 125 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,120 matches their site plan that you reviewed several weeks ago 126 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:53,759 . Well, stand for any 127 00:05:53,759 --> 00:06:05,240 questions if you have any. Thank you Mike. Thank you. 128 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,399 Seeing none I just wanted to 129 00:06:07,399 --> 00:06:10,899 make the Commission aware of a calendar the Planning and Z 130 00:06:10,899 --> 00:06:11,600 oning Commission 131 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,029 calendar for next year. It's for attach for your review and 132 00:06:15,029 --> 00:06:16,360 consideration at 133 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,439 regular meeting. Additionally when we look at our public 134 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:21,199 hearing items, items A, B, 135 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:28,839 C have been withdrawn by the applicant and that being said 136 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:29,439 we do have a 137 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:33,420 final replant for Calhoun edition and I'm sorry Mike you 138 00:06:33,420 --> 00:06:35,199 shouldn't have if Mike 139 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:38,959 could go ahead and present that for us too. 140 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:42,040 Since these have been withdrawn we're not doing any 141 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:42,959 continuation. 142 00:06:42,959 --> 00:06:48,279 This will be FR 1516 it's the Calhoun edition. This is kind 143 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,519 of a mouthful but it is a 144 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:52,519 replant of three separate subdivisions the Mount second 145 00:06:52,519 --> 00:06:53,879 edition, high school 146 00:06:53,879 --> 00:06:56,569 edition, the Calhoun middle school edition and then a piece 147 00:06:56,569 --> 00:06:57,240 of unplatted 148 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,670 property that's shown in the deed records. Texas local 149 00:07:02,670 --> 00:07:03,759 government code 150 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:06,009 requires that any public hearing or that public hearing be 151 00:07:06,009 --> 00:07:06,839 held for a replant 152 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,839 that's why we're here instead of on consent agenda. Also 153 00:07:09,839 --> 00:07:11,199 this qualifies as a 154 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:14,779 residential replant because the zoning limits the property 155 00:07:14,779 --> 00:07:15,839 to no more than two 156 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:18,990 units per lot or duplexes so that's why we sent written 157 00:07:18,990 --> 00:07:19,920 notice to property 158 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,920 owners within the original subdivision and within 200 feet. 159 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,360 The site is shown 160 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,800 here in yellow. It's near the Pecan neighborhood there's 161 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:31,639 Carol here so it's 162 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:35,040 further to the east. This is Calhoun middle school right 163 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,120 here. These are the 164 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,439 Calhoun middle school tennis courts. They're included 165 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:43,319 within the plat. Give you 166 00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:45,600 kind of a representation of where these plats are included. 167 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:46,560 The red is the high 168 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,290 school edition. It's kind of orange is the Calhoun middle 169 00:07:49,290 --> 00:07:51,160 school edition. The purple 170 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,839 is Mount second and then the small 30 foot strip of unpl 171 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:56,639 atted land and we'll 172 00:07:56,639 --> 00:07:58,490 see this is really the reason why this plat is happening 173 00:07:58,490 --> 00:07:59,199 but I'll get into that 174 00:07:59,199 --> 00:08:04,399 here in a minute. They're kind of it's kind of threefold 175 00:08:04,399 --> 00:08:05,480 why we're here. One is 176 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,899 to subdivide that 30 foot strip shown here between the abut 177 00:08:08,899 --> 00:08:09,720 ting property 178 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:17,990 owners. Two is to convey and subdivide a part of the Calh 179 00:08:17,990 --> 00:08:18,519 oun middle school 180 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:22,720 addition to the property owners abutting to the north and 181 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,959 south and Lashley is to 182 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:27,509 establish new legal boundaries for the three lots on 183 00:08:27,509 --> 00:08:28,839 Anderson Street that are 184 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:34,299 included in the plat. This is the zoomed in on a proposed 185 00:08:34,299 --> 00:08:35,440 plat. It's got a lot 186 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,519 stuff going on so I'll kind of walk you through it very 187 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:39,480 quickly. Here's that 30 188 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,059 foot strip of unplatted land. Part of this is right away 189 00:08:43,059 --> 00:08:44,200 dedication because it was 190 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,009 never officially dedicated. They're doing that at this 191 00:08:46,009 --> 00:08:47,799 point. The reason we're here 192 00:08:47,799 --> 00:08:50,129 is this property owner came in for a building permit. His 193 00:08:50,129 --> 00:08:50,919 fence line is 194 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:53,779 actually shown here. It's been developed that way for 195 00:08:53,779 --> 00:08:55,200 decades. Came in for a 196 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,440 permit for a driveway. We discovered that his plat didn't 197 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,240 match what his deed 198 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,440 showed and actually further investigation showed that Dent 199 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:01,759 on ISD 200 00:09:01,759 --> 00:09:04,759 actually owned the strip of land. So we have a meeting with 201 00:09:04,759 --> 00:09:06,840 Denton ISD and the 202 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,559 three property owners to the south. We all got together and 203 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:10,279 Denton ISD said 204 00:09:10,279 --> 00:09:13,799 they didn't want it. They were willing to convey it over so 205 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:14,039 we had to 206 00:09:14,039 --> 00:09:18,480 do the replat. Additionally they had a - I'm sorry let me 207 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:19,720 back up. So this is where 208 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,259 they agreed to divide it. Pretty much following the fence 209 00:09:22,259 --> 00:09:24,120 line. The north 20 210 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,649 feet goes to the property owner on Amarillo Street and be 211 00:09:27,649 --> 00:09:29,159 subdivided kind of 212 00:09:29,159 --> 00:09:35,129 like this for the property owners to the south. Next the IS 213 00:09:35,129 --> 00:09:36,360 D had a portion within 214 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,399 the Calhoun Middle School addition and also 30 feet but 215 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:40,360 they didn't want any 216 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,360 more either. So we met with the property owner to the north 217 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:44,519 . The property owner to the 218 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:47,830 south said do you want it? They said yes we do. So Denton 219 00:09:47,830 --> 00:09:48,840 ISD has agreed to 220 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,440 divide that evenly. This reflects the alignment that 221 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,440 everybody agreed upon. And 222 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:58,129 then lastly the third purpose is according to the plat for 223 00:09:58,129 --> 00:09:59,080 the Mounts 224 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,860 addition approved back in the 19 teens the property lines 225 00:10:01,860 --> 00:10:02,840 are actually kind of 226 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,519 here where this blue is and they've been built and sold 227 00:10:06,519 --> 00:10:08,600 over time into three lots 228 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,460 and so now we're just correcting that and we'll move the 229 00:10:11,460 --> 00:10:12,279 property lines to 230 00:10:12,279 --> 00:10:16,250 where they're currently reflected in the deeds. Final 231 00:10:16,250 --> 00:10:18,840 product looks something like 232 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,700 this here. This will be the property lines. Reflects 233 00:10:21,700 --> 00:10:22,799 current development. 234 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:25,799 This reflects the agreement everybody had with the ISD and 235 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:28,399 adjacent property owners. 236 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:30,500 Because it meets all the requirements we will be 237 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:32,080 recommending approval. I'll 238 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:37,600 stand for any questions. Commissioner Beck. Just one 239 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,399 question it says the ISD 240 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:43,399 agreed to convey the disputed property so they're just 241 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:44,399 giving it to them. 242 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:46,980 They're selling it to the price to file the deed I think is 243 00:10:46,980 --> 00:10:48,440 five dollars. Five 244 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:55,480 dollars? Okay. Thank you. Thank you Mike. Commissioner Br 245 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,120 ito hold on just a second. Thanks Chair. 246 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,990 No I really honestly it's just a comment more than a 247 00:10:58,990 --> 00:11:00,320 question. I was having such 248 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,080 a hard time trying to figure out what this case was about 249 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:03,879 so thank you for 250 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:07,559 this excellent staff presentation. It was curious. Thank 251 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,720 you. This is one of the more complex plans. 252 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:22,000 Anybody else? Thank you Mike. Thank you. Commissioners if 253 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,480 you recall we had a work 254 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,490 session to discuss amending the Denton Development Code to 255 00:11:27,490 --> 00:11:28,559 add assembly halls, 256 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,759 clubs and lodges as a list of zoning uses within our Denton 257 00:11:32,759 --> 00:11:34,279 Development Code. If I 258 00:11:34,279 --> 00:11:37,500 can ask Julie Wyatt to just give you a brief a briefing on 259 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:38,720 that just to refresh 260 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,279 your jogging memories. All right so the request before you 261 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:44,120 tonight is to consider 262 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,120 making a recommendation to City Council regarding an 263 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,159 amendment to the Denton 264 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:51,740 Development Code for the assembly halls, clubs and lodges 265 00:11:51,740 --> 00:11:53,080 to add that to the list 266 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,179 of permitted of uses in subchapter 5 and then also revise 267 00:11:57,179 --> 00:11:58,120 the definition for 268 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,440 semi-public halls, clubs and lodges. Just a bit of 269 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,039 background if you recall in the 270 00:12:04,039 --> 00:12:06,409 over the last year or so staff has been approached by 271 00:12:06,409 --> 00:12:07,480 several individuals 272 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,639 developers to develop facilities to accommodate private 273 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:12,960 functions in more 274 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:18,519 rural or non-commercial type areas. This type of use could 275 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:19,919 include private events 276 00:12:19,919 --> 00:12:23,179 such as weddings, banquets, meetings. The activities 277 00:12:23,179 --> 00:12:24,600 associated with the use 278 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:29,450 typically involve catering, alcohol sales and for on-site 279 00:12:29,450 --> 00:12:30,440 consumption and then and 280 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,990 typically they're live or recorded entertainment of some 281 00:12:32,990 --> 00:12:34,240 type. The Denton 282 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,649 Development Code does not have a use that accurately 283 00:12:36,649 --> 00:12:37,480 describes these 284 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:43,379 activities. So in our previous discussion about it we've we 285 00:12:43,379 --> 00:12:45,320 talked about revising 286 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,320 and existing use and that use the semi-public halls, clubs 287 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,039 and lodges. This 288 00:12:50,039 --> 00:12:53,720 use includes all of those activities that are associated 289 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:54,879 with the typical 290 00:12:54,879 --> 00:13:00,870 assembly hall but but this use limits it only to nonprofits 291 00:13:00,870 --> 00:13:02,440 . So staff is 292 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,919 recommending that we remove that nonprofit portion of it 293 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:07,639 and retain and 294 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:11,840 also and rename the use to assembly halls, clubs and lodges 295 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,200 and just keep the 296 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,580 structure facility owned or operated for special education, 297 00:13:16,580 --> 00:13:17,519 educational or 298 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:20,519 recreational purposes. This will encompass all of those 299 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:22,559 activities but it will 300 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,799 broaden who can take take advantage of this use not only 301 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:27,759 not for profits but 302 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:32,679 for-profit entities as well. We're also recommending that 303 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,360 the use be treated in 304 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,409 the same manner as the existing semi-public halls, clubs 305 00:13:37,409 --> 00:13:38,759 and lodges. So 306 00:13:38,759 --> 00:13:42,139 for instance in our rural districts it would be not 307 00:13:42,139 --> 00:13:43,879 permitted in RD5 but 308 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:48,440 permitted in rural commercials. It would be permitted in NR 309 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,120 1 through NR6 with an 310 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:55,519 SUP, NRMU 12 with a limitation and then NRMU it would be 311 00:13:55,519 --> 00:13:56,320 permitted by right. 312 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:01,320 Staff feels that this retaining this specific use permit 313 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:02,440 requirement is very 314 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,009 important in the residential areas. It allows additional 315 00:14:06,009 --> 00:14:07,519 scrutiny for the use so 316 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:11,629 if they if someone wanted to come develop an assembly hall 317 00:14:11,629 --> 00:14:12,639 club or lodge 318 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:17,620 within more of a residential area or a rural well low or 319 00:14:17,620 --> 00:14:19,360 high or low density 320 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,399 residential they would have to submit for a specific use 321 00:14:23,399 --> 00:14:25,039 permit and that use 322 00:14:25,039 --> 00:14:28,039 would staff would review it we would follow the zoning 323 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:29,120 procedure so it would 324 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,679 come to you for a recommendation and then it would go to 325 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:32,559 City Council for 326 00:14:32,559 --> 00:14:35,720 approval and it would allow us to look at the intensity 327 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:36,639 that they want to use 328 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:40,320 the property for the scale of any buildings architecture 329 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:41,240 landscaping 330 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,269 lighting any of those uses or any of those activities or 331 00:14:44,269 --> 00:14:45,379 development of the 332 00:14:45,379 --> 00:14:49,840 property that could potentially create a nuisance for 333 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,480 adjacent property owners are 334 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,570 not being keeping with the with the land use pattern so it 335 00:14:54,570 --> 00:14:55,799 would allow us to give 336 00:14:55,799 --> 00:15:00,649 a little more scrutiny to that use. Downtown would be 337 00:15:00,649 --> 00:15:02,799 permitted by right and 338 00:15:02,799 --> 00:15:06,000 community mixed use would be permitted by right. Regional 339 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,440 mixed use permitted and 340 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,669 employment centers and industrial would be permitted. So 341 00:15:10,669 --> 00:15:12,559 based upon our 342 00:15:12,559 --> 00:15:15,210 discussions and staff analysis we do recommend approval of 343 00:15:15,210 --> 00:15:15,679 this code 344 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:19,519 amendment and I'll stand for any questions. 345 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,000 Thank you Julie. 346 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:37,080 The last item on our work session is to discuss the City of 347 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,559 Denton's mobility 348 00:15:40,559 --> 00:15:46,139 plan I'm going to ask PS to come forward and update the 349 00:15:46,139 --> 00:15:47,879 Commission. 350 00:15:51,480 --> 00:16:13,039 Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. 351 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:46,159 Okay we had covered a lot of items already and last week on 352 00:16:46,159 --> 00:16:47,000 Friday, Wednesday 353 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,370 in the special call meeting I had we had gone through and 354 00:16:50,370 --> 00:16:51,279 looked at some other 355 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:56,730 items there are some questions that came up after the 356 00:16:56,730 --> 00:16:59,320 meeting from Mr. Bentley and 357 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,570 I had responded to them there are three items I wanted to 358 00:17:03,570 --> 00:17:05,160 talk about so we are 359 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,329 ready for days in the public hearing later on. The first 360 00:17:09,329 --> 00:17:10,480 one is the post-doc 361 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,390 option and second will be the Collins Rainier Road 362 00:17:15,390 --> 00:17:17,539 extension and what I have 363 00:17:17,539 --> 00:17:21,839 given you is a code order which I found it you know it was 364 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:23,240 ten years back and 365 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,240 I'll go through that in a minute and then the last one was 366 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,160 the Golden Circle 367 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,079 Cooper Creek Road extension which is in the north part 368 00:17:31,079 --> 00:17:33,680 north of loop 288 in that 369 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:44,240 part of the city. So I'll go through all of them quickly. 370 00:17:47,539 --> 00:18:13,880 Are we able to see it properly? Okay. 371 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,799 So on post-doc road in the last week's discussion on 372 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:21,380 Wednesday we agreed that 373 00:18:21,380 --> 00:18:24,650 we were going to go and use the option A which is what I 374 00:18:24,650 --> 00:18:26,380 have in my write-up as 375 00:18:26,380 --> 00:18:29,529 part of the recommendation because this goes in a green 376 00:18:29,529 --> 00:18:31,119 field right now there is 377 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,430 some development here and we will not be cutting through 378 00:18:34,430 --> 00:18:36,420 that. We will not be 379 00:18:36,420 --> 00:18:41,730 using you know this option that is shown right here. So 380 00:18:41,730 --> 00:18:44,680 that's the post-doc. The 381 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,819 second one is the issue. 382 00:18:50,799 --> 00:19:05,900 And larger a little more so we I can see it a little better 383 00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:08,900 . Yeah. Okay. 384 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:13,880 What you have in front of you is the code order that 385 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,859 basically city of Den 386 00:19:15,859 --> 00:19:23,500 Den County agreed on closing off this crossing on Collins. 387 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:25,579 That was done so 388 00:19:25,579 --> 00:19:29,940 that city could get a crossing in the southern part that's 389 00:19:29,940 --> 00:19:31,259 how they work and 390 00:19:31,259 --> 00:19:34,420 there's a lot more back and forth that happened at that 391 00:19:34,420 --> 00:19:36,180 time. There was issues 392 00:19:36,180 --> 00:19:40,500 of annexation and I don't believe city agreed to not annex 393 00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:41,940 the property sometime 394 00:19:41,940 --> 00:19:46,789 in the future but it's been ten years since that was agreed 395 00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:47,980 on in the 396 00:19:47,980 --> 00:19:50,980 Commissioner's Court. It used to be in the county and it 397 00:19:50,980 --> 00:19:52,019 still is in the county 398 00:19:52,019 --> 00:19:56,009 since it is not annexed. So what we have done is we took 399 00:19:56,009 --> 00:19:58,099 away that extension of 400 00:19:58,099 --> 00:20:04,569 Lakeview going north this way and also we took away this 401 00:20:04,569 --> 00:20:05,940 Laney Road that was 402 00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:09,230 going to come back and tie in here into Collins. So Collins 403 00:20:09,230 --> 00:20:10,880 stays as it is no 404 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:17,670 change in the way it is right now. So that takes care of 405 00:20:17,670 --> 00:20:19,460 that comment we got 406 00:20:19,460 --> 00:20:23,690 from Mr. Bentley and we have actually supporting document 407 00:20:23,690 --> 00:20:24,779 to show that yes 408 00:20:24,779 --> 00:20:28,819 that is correct. During when we were doing this the team as 409 00:20:28,819 --> 00:20:29,480 well as it goes 410 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,660 around it went in the city hall and people looked at it 411 00:20:32,660 --> 00:20:34,099 sometimes you say it 412 00:20:34,099 --> 00:20:37,759 you still don't see it. So it kind of came you know this 413 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:40,019 far out but thanks for 414 00:20:40,019 --> 00:20:43,690 pointing it out and I did some research and we were very 415 00:20:43,690 --> 00:20:44,819 quickly were able to 416 00:20:44,819 --> 00:20:51,019 find it surprisingly. And then the last item that we had 417 00:20:51,019 --> 00:20:52,420 was on this golden 418 00:20:52,420 --> 00:20:56,650 circle and Cooper Creek Road. Yes it any extensions we do 419 00:20:56,650 --> 00:20:57,940 in the city anywhere we 420 00:20:57,940 --> 00:21:02,789 do it's going to go through a property. It can be a you 421 00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:04,900 know very large tract of 422 00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:08,829 land or it can be lots of small parcels of land but it will 423 00:21:08,829 --> 00:21:10,059 go through some 424 00:21:10,059 --> 00:21:16,410 property. This as we know you know is a very long-term 425 00:21:16,410 --> 00:21:18,259 connection right here it 426 00:21:18,259 --> 00:21:22,720 could be 20 years or 30 years before this happens. Things 427 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:23,779 change during that 428 00:21:23,779 --> 00:21:27,829 time things change in the families at that time. We have 429 00:21:27,829 --> 00:21:29,500 seen properties that 430 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:35,390 you know we purchased for our you know wastewater use which 431 00:21:35,390 --> 00:21:36,539 was in the country 432 00:21:36,539 --> 00:21:39,759 club road that went through you for the SUP and it was all 433 00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:40,819 in the family the 434 00:21:40,819 --> 00:21:44,400 families all over the country right now and we had to kind 435 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,539 of get everybody 436 00:21:45,539 --> 00:21:50,019 together to buy that out. Who knows what will happen here 437 00:21:50,019 --> 00:21:52,539 in the future. So as 438 00:21:52,539 --> 00:21:56,180 part of the master plan we need to kind of account for 439 00:21:56,180 --> 00:21:57,660 based on the land use 440 00:21:57,660 --> 00:22:01,420 what is projected based on the land use based on the model 441 00:22:01,420 --> 00:22:03,420 that we did. We do 442 00:22:03,420 --> 00:22:08,880 have you know only we have 6,000 trips on Cooper Creek Road 443 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,900 that we show. On this 444 00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:15,119 road majority of the trips are generated based on the land 445 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,140 use the development 446 00:22:16,140 --> 00:22:20,420 that will happen here about a thousand trips. Do we need to 447 00:22:20,420 --> 00:22:21,700 absolutely show it? I 448 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:25,519 can take it off if that is the Commissioner's direction you 449 00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:26,500 know to move 450 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:30,559 this out we can take it out. Whenever they come in at that 451 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:31,859 time you know they 452 00:22:31,859 --> 00:22:33,720 will need a collector road at that time whenever they 453 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,660 develop the property. It's 454 00:22:35,660 --> 00:22:40,180 going to happen. So it's either way it's your call on that 455 00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:41,220 one and since only we 456 00:22:41,220 --> 00:22:43,950 show about a thousand trips on this right now which can be 457 00:22:43,950 --> 00:22:44,819 accommodated on 458 00:22:44,819 --> 00:22:48,420 Hartley Field Road or it can be accommodated on Cooper 459 00:22:48,420 --> 00:22:50,220 Creek Road. But 460 00:22:50,220 --> 00:22:53,220 whenever they develop they will need a collector within the 461 00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:54,019 property at that 462 00:22:54,019 --> 00:23:00,339 time. Yes I have a quick question for the benefit of the 463 00:23:00,339 --> 00:23:01,660 Commissioners as well as 464 00:23:01,660 --> 00:23:06,289 the audience. The exhibit that you're showing us isn't not 465 00:23:06,289 --> 00:23:07,579 reflected in the 466 00:23:07,579 --> 00:23:10,579 packet correct? Yes I need to clarify that. Right so that 467 00:23:10,579 --> 00:23:11,980 when we get to the 468 00:23:11,980 --> 00:23:14,579 point of recommendation the Commission is clear on what. 469 00:23:14,579 --> 00:23:15,380 Right what I'm going to 470 00:23:15,380 --> 00:23:19,430 show what you have in the packet calls this and it was my 471 00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:20,660 fault. I was doing 472 00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:23,829 this at probably 10 o'clock in the night on Thursday had to 473 00:23:23,829 --> 00:23:24,579 be out by Friday 474 00:23:24,579 --> 00:23:27,490 morning and I made it option A and B instead of calling it 475 00:23:27,490 --> 00:23:28,299 option two and 476 00:23:28,299 --> 00:23:33,009 three. So it reflects A and B matching to the AIS that you 477 00:23:33,009 --> 00:23:35,180 have in your packet 478 00:23:35,180 --> 00:23:39,529 and then it does not have this Collins connection. I mean 479 00:23:39,529 --> 00:23:40,940 what we have shows the 480 00:23:40,940 --> 00:23:44,859 Collins connection and this one doesn't because we found 481 00:23:44,859 --> 00:23:48,420 that just like in a 482 00:23:48,420 --> 00:23:51,980 matter of I think it was yesterday I was working on it 483 00:23:51,980 --> 00:23:54,339 finally got that actually 484 00:23:54,339 --> 00:23:58,900 that's when I got the information on it. So when we 485 00:23:58,900 --> 00:24:01,019 actually vote it will be 486 00:24:01,019 --> 00:24:07,700 based on this map that shows everything correctly which I 487 00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:08,339 'll be presenting in 488 00:24:08,339 --> 00:24:12,000 the public hearing later on. So if there any questions I'll 489 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,859 be happy to answer. 490 00:24:12,859 --> 00:24:16,000 Commissioner Bruegel. Thank you Chair. So PS just to be 491 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,700 clear then option one is 492 00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:21,440 not an option. When we're looking at this tonight and 493 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:21,779 making a 494 00:24:21,779 --> 00:24:27,019 motion option one is off the table. That's fantastic thank 495 00:24:27,019 --> 00:24:28,700 you. And so 496 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:32,339 then where option A and B eventually kind of go west and 497 00:24:32,339 --> 00:24:33,900 then north again. Can 498 00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:35,859 you kind of zoom up on the north side of that I kind of 499 00:24:35,859 --> 00:24:36,819 want to see where that 500 00:24:36,819 --> 00:24:43,180 road goes. I'm curious if it will affect any future plans. 501 00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:44,420 Go north please. 502 00:24:44,420 --> 00:24:48,740 Oh north I'm sorry. More? I just want to kind of keep yeah 503 00:24:48,740 --> 00:24:50,099 so north I just want to 504 00:24:50,099 --> 00:24:52,049 see where it connects and I was just wondering if it is 505 00:24:52,049 --> 00:24:52,819 going to interfere 506 00:24:52,819 --> 00:24:55,829 with any future plans for the expansion of Clear Creek. I 507 00:24:55,829 --> 00:24:58,299 think don't they have 508 00:24:58,299 --> 00:25:00,480 plans for expanding their facility at some point in the 509 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,460 future. The plant itself? 510 00:25:01,460 --> 00:25:07,140 The plant sits right here. We own this property this sits 511 00:25:07,140 --> 00:25:07,740 right here in this 512 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:11,289 area. And so the one that's further west isn't going to 513 00:25:11,289 --> 00:25:12,299 interfere with any future 514 00:25:12,299 --> 00:25:16,819 plans that they have to expand Clear Creek? No this one. 515 00:25:16,819 --> 00:25:17,660 Okay. This is way 516 00:25:17,660 --> 00:25:23,259 outside and we are and we own this property kind of in this 517 00:25:23,259 --> 00:25:23,980 area right here. 518 00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:29,579 That's about 206 acres roughly. Okay thank you. And then 519 00:25:29,579 --> 00:25:30,819 can you go down last 520 00:25:30,819 --> 00:25:34,480 week we were talking about the the name of the road escapes 521 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:35,380 me but it was on the 522 00:25:35,380 --> 00:25:37,970 south side we're looking at trying to build a bridge over 523 00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:38,859 and we were 524 00:25:38,859 --> 00:25:42,779 determining is that what it was? The Hickory Creek Road 525 00:25:42,779 --> 00:25:44,700 connection arterial 526 00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:50,299 right here. Yeah. 527 00:25:56,099 --> 00:26:01,420 So that is included as an option? Yes it is. This evening. 528 00:26:01,420 --> 00:26:03,140 Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah 529 00:26:03,140 --> 00:26:08,130 that's the one. Thank you. I was wondering what happened to 530 00:26:08,130 --> 00:26:10,099 my option. Yeah this is this is part of the 531 00:26:10,099 --> 00:26:16,059 recommendation. In fact if I show you the PowerPoint right 532 00:26:16,059 --> 00:26:18,339 here. 533 00:26:21,619 --> 00:26:31,410 Recommendation says that to approve the make recommendation 534 00:26:31,410 --> 00:26:34,420 to approve the travel 535 00:26:34,420 --> 00:26:38,970 demand model which was the basis of all of the update we 536 00:26:38,970 --> 00:26:41,220 did and update the 537 00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:44,049 mobility plan with option A for post-hoc road and the 538 00:26:44,049 --> 00:26:45,019 addition of the Hickory Creek 539 00:26:45,019 --> 00:26:51,380 arterial option. Thank you. 540 00:26:52,619 --> 00:26:59,650 Commissioner Dudowitz. Yes. Yes I read the your responses. 541 00:26:59,650 --> 00:27:03,339 Yes. To citizen Bentley's 542 00:27:03,339 --> 00:27:08,579 remarks and concerns. I see where you've laid you suggested 543 00:27:08,579 --> 00:27:10,500 that the consultants 544 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:13,529 used an incorrect layer the map has been corrected and 545 00:27:13,529 --> 00:27:14,819 there were a number of 546 00:27:14,819 --> 00:27:18,339 other corrections made. My concern is are there any other 547 00:27:18,339 --> 00:27:19,779 errors that we have not 548 00:27:19,779 --> 00:27:26,359 been really looked at hard and how would that affect this 549 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,619 plan? Are there any 550 00:27:28,619 --> 00:27:31,859 other errors or have you now reviewed everything? We try to 551 00:27:31,859 --> 00:27:32,859 . It's still a 552 00:27:32,859 --> 00:27:38,279 master plan and master plans are master plans. They over 553 00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:41,660 time as work is done we 554 00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:45,190 find things and then we come back and correct them. Just to 555 00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:46,140 give you example on 556 00:27:46,140 --> 00:27:50,500 the wastewater master plan we started that in 2008 and we 557 00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:51,779 still continue to 558 00:27:51,779 --> 00:27:55,450 find things that we keep going back and correcting it. So 559 00:27:55,450 --> 00:27:57,180 this is still a 560 00:27:57,180 --> 00:27:59,900 representation you know what you have is a representation. 561 00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:01,099 It is not a design. 562 00:28:01,099 --> 00:28:06,380 Whenever we get to that you get the final street on in the 563 00:28:06,380 --> 00:28:06,700 road at 564 00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:09,700 that time. I guess my concern still is that it takes a 565 00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:11,259 citizen to find these 566 00:28:11,259 --> 00:28:14,119 errors that we have professionals that and consultants that 567 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:14,980 we pay good money 568 00:28:14,980 --> 00:28:18,640 to to do it the job right. Yeah these days there's so many 569 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,220 layers that they work with. 570 00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:25,230 It happens that they can miss turning on a layer or turning 571 00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:27,019 off a layer like on 572 00:28:27,019 --> 00:28:30,940 the ETJ area. They had not turned off the ETJ part so it 573 00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:32,019 showed as a part of the 574 00:28:32,019 --> 00:28:36,220 city. So that was you know in the map that I have now it 575 00:28:36,220 --> 00:28:38,740 shows as in an ETJ 576 00:28:38,740 --> 00:28:41,740 area it's not in the not in the city limits. So that was 577 00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:42,380 corrected. 578 00:28:42,380 --> 00:28:46,339 Hartley Field Road the label was moved to the existing road 579 00:28:46,339 --> 00:28:48,299 and not in so the 580 00:28:48,299 --> 00:28:51,619 proposed road is still a continuation of that. That's minor 581 00:28:51,619 --> 00:28:53,700 stuff. So most of this 582 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:56,119 and any other corrections are minor in the sense that it 583 00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:57,660 should not impact us 584 00:28:57,660 --> 00:28:59,809 in the next five years until we look at it again? 585 00:28:59,809 --> 00:29:05,019 Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you. 586 00:29:08,140 --> 00:29:22,220 Any other questions? Thank you. Sure. Commissioner Rossell. 587 00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:24,059 On item four, items 588 00:29:24,059 --> 00:29:27,059 for individual consideration, what's the process? Do we 589 00:29:27,059 --> 00:29:28,180 vote on a calendar? Is 590 00:29:28,180 --> 00:29:31,180 that for feedback? Can you walk me through as a new 591 00:29:31,180 --> 00:29:32,140 individual how the 592 00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:36,269 calendar gets developed and what are we considering or what 593 00:29:36,269 --> 00:29:37,099 does the individual 594 00:29:37,099 --> 00:29:41,359 consideration mean to Commissioner? So this calendar 595 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:43,500 determines the schedule 596 00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:47,279 for next year's PNC meetings and it is an opportunity for 597 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:47,819 the PNC 598 00:29:47,819 --> 00:29:49,990 commissioners to review the calendar if they're comfortable 599 00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:50,740 with it should they 600 00:29:50,740 --> 00:29:52,950 have questions related to dates if they want to change any 601 00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:53,579 dates that are 602 00:29:53,579 --> 00:29:56,440 glaring at them right now you have the opportunity to do 603 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,980 that and then the 604 00:29:57,980 --> 00:30:01,619 agenda gets approved so that we can post it on the website 605 00:30:01,619 --> 00:30:02,819 and do our dates 606 00:30:02,819 --> 00:30:05,299 accordingly as it relates to notification requirements and 607 00:30:05,299 --> 00:30:05,940 publications. 608 00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:11,180 Correct me if I'm wrong this 2015 we had PNC on the first 609 00:30:11,180 --> 00:30:12,779 Wednesday and third 610 00:30:12,779 --> 00:30:16,460 Wednesday generally? Generally there was some disconnects 611 00:30:16,460 --> 00:30:18,180 with that calendar 612 00:30:18,180 --> 00:30:20,690 however it is supposed to be the second and fourth. It's 613 00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:21,259 supposed to be the 614 00:30:21,259 --> 00:30:23,299 second and fourth? Yes. Okay that's I saw a discrepancy. 615 00:30:23,299 --> 00:30:24,859 Yes absolutely right. Okay 616 00:30:24,859 --> 00:30:30,269 thank you for the clarification. On that subject the only 617 00:30:30,269 --> 00:30:31,539 date that I saw that 618 00:30:31,539 --> 00:30:34,819 might be a concern I think there's a meeting on the 619 00:30:34,819 --> 00:30:36,099 Wednesday before 620 00:30:36,099 --> 00:30:43,460 Thanksgiving. I remember right. Correct and this is the 621 00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:44,920 opportunity to we can 622 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,289 cancel the meeting or we can schedule something before 623 00:30:48,289 --> 00:30:49,980 prior to or move it to 624 00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:52,980 the 30th because we're not meeting the first week of 625 00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:55,700 December so that yes we 626 00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:59,740 can do that then we miss out on we miss out on our 627 00:30:59,740 --> 00:31:00,900 Thanksgiving party then I 628 00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:06,900 guess. Right. No turkey sandwiches before. Correct. Is 629 00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:07,900 everybody okay with that 630 00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:15,539 change? Just to clarify. Instead of the November 23rd we're 631 00:31:15,539 --> 00:31:16,420 going to move it to 632 00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:21,609 November the 30th. And are we would we really be meeting on 633 00:31:21,609 --> 00:31:24,339 December 28th? 634 00:31:24,339 --> 00:31:32,630 Why not? I can count ten good reasons. Because don't I mean 635 00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:33,660 don't normally we 636 00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:37,180 take like the last half of December. It's my understanding 637 00:31:37,180 --> 00:31:38,019 that in the past 638 00:31:38,019 --> 00:31:41,299 then that's how it has been done however if you look at the 639 00:31:41,299 --> 00:31:42,259 calendar and you look 640 00:31:42,259 --> 00:31:44,480 at the dates and the fact that we have to do our 641 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,059 notifications in order and not 642 00:31:46,059 --> 00:31:49,660 have any disconnects with that I made the call to reflect 643 00:31:49,660 --> 00:31:50,740 that date there it is 644 00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:54,329 the choice of the Commission to either decide not to have 645 00:31:54,329 --> 00:31:55,539 that meeting or to 646 00:31:55,539 --> 00:32:00,390 change the date. It is the 28th which is quite a few days 647 00:32:00,390 --> 00:32:02,539 ahead of everything the 648 00:32:02,539 --> 00:32:11,579 festivities. Okay. You want to remove it? It's hard to see 649 00:32:11,579 --> 00:32:13,180 a year in advance but 650 00:32:13,180 --> 00:32:16,009 typically kids are out of school and it's pretty good 651 00:32:16,009 --> 00:32:17,220 vacation time. That's what 652 00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:21,380 I'm thinking. So I may not be here for that one but it's a 653 00:32:21,380 --> 00:32:22,859 year it's a year out. 654 00:32:22,859 --> 00:32:28,259 Y'all have fun. What's a vacation? So we're gonna leave it? 655 00:32:28,259 --> 00:32:31,259 To that point if we 656 00:32:31,259 --> 00:32:34,569 don't cancel it now at any point can we bring it under the 657 00:32:34,569 --> 00:32:35,619 agenda to reconsider 658 00:32:35,619 --> 00:32:39,140 or could it be like it just when we get to the 27th Jim 659 00:32:39,140 --> 00:32:40,099 just sends out an email 660 00:32:40,099 --> 00:32:43,509 saying. We're not meeting. No because we have to what if we 661 00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:44,500 have applicants who 662 00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:47,380 want to be scheduled on that meeting for public hearing so 663 00:32:47,380 --> 00:32:48,420 I would recommend or 664 00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:52,769 advise that we either I would like to meet that date either 665 00:32:52,769 --> 00:32:54,059 ahead or after I'm 666 00:32:54,059 --> 00:32:59,460 sorry Jennifer. I was just gonna suggest you take it off. 667 00:32:59,460 --> 00:33:03,819 Maybe Manal could explain 668 00:33:03,819 --> 00:33:06,819 you mentioned maybe the importance of it what was the 669 00:33:06,819 --> 00:33:08,619 justification? If we keep 670 00:33:08,619 --> 00:33:11,619 this on and you adopt this schedule you approve this 671 00:33:11,619 --> 00:33:13,859 schedule then applicants 672 00:33:13,859 --> 00:33:17,390 developers homeowners whoever is involved in a public 673 00:33:17,390 --> 00:33:18,180 hearing process 674 00:33:18,180 --> 00:33:21,279 will be tied to these dates so they will be if we have a 675 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:22,259 notification 676 00:33:22,259 --> 00:33:24,839 requirement and they see this date scheduled then we would 677 00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:25,539 have to have this 678 00:33:25,539 --> 00:33:27,480 but prior to that you said looking at the dates and for 679 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,259 consideration was 680 00:33:28,259 --> 00:33:31,849 there the thing sorry the thing you first said about this 681 00:33:31,849 --> 00:33:32,500 right so we have 682 00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:35,500 when we create our schedule for the PNZ and City Council 683 00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:36,700 meetings we also have 684 00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:39,700 to take into consideration our public hearing notices that 685 00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:40,299 have to go on 686 00:33:40,299 --> 00:33:43,859 because there's a process for those two for public hearing 687 00:33:43,859 --> 00:33:44,819 notices we have to 688 00:33:44,819 --> 00:33:47,930 publish within the newspaper 17 days in advance we also 689 00:33:47,930 --> 00:33:48,779 have to send out 690 00:33:48,779 --> 00:33:51,940 property owner notices 12 days in advance of the meeting 691 00:33:51,940 --> 00:33:52,980 published meeting 692 00:33:52,980 --> 00:33:57,039 so either we change the date or you eliminate the meeting 693 00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:58,140 tonight. Sorry 694 00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:01,549 Commissioner. I think we eliminated Commissioner Detilas. 695 00:34:01,549 --> 00:34:02,740 Two questions or 696 00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:06,859 two comments do we know what City Council agenda is for 697 00:34:06,859 --> 00:34:09,300 that week? I am I 698 00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:11,900 have not I've seen the calendar I don't know what okay if 699 00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:12,699 there and I noticed 700 00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:16,420 that this December we are not sitting at that time so then 701 00:34:16,420 --> 00:34:17,780 let's just cancel it 702 00:34:17,780 --> 00:34:21,659 now. Okay. Commissioner Back. Are we talking about December 703 00:34:21,659 --> 00:34:29,699 of next year? Yes. Well so sounds like some are 704 00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:33,380 considering eliminating the 28th altogether okay and just 705 00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:34,019 have the one 706 00:34:34,019 --> 00:34:37,500 PNZ meeting for the month? Which would be the 14th of 707 00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:39,500 December. We can do like we've done 708 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:44,349 last week if we get into a situation and there's a big item 709 00:34:44,349 --> 00:34:45,300 that needs to be 710 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:47,860 dealt with we can always schedule a meeting like we did 711 00:34:47,860 --> 00:34:48,739 last week it was a 712 00:34:48,739 --> 00:34:51,909 special call meeting and I think let's at least at this 713 00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:53,460 point let's take it off 714 00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:57,820 and we'll see what it looks like next November. Okay so for 715 00:34:57,820 --> 00:34:58,099 clarification 716 00:34:58,099 --> 00:35:02,519 November 23 is moving to November 30th December 28th is 717 00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:03,260 being cancelled all 718 00:35:03,260 --> 00:35:06,920 together. I would agree with that. Am I else okay with that 719 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,010 ? Yes. Okay. Commissioner Rossell you have another? No, no, 720 00:35:11,010 --> 00:35:13,380 no, thank you. Merry Christmas 721 00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:20,900 Commissioner Bruegel. I guess the only other item I had 722 00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:24,260 made note of is on the 723 00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:29,269 minutes we've had a couple of different corrections and I 724 00:35:29,269 --> 00:35:31,280 know Commissioner 725 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,860 Husband in here but Commissioner Bruegel were you okay with 726 00:35:33,860 --> 00:35:35,300 those corrections or 727 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:38,300 did you get a chance to review the minutes? Yeah I was okay 728 00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:39,019 with the 729 00:35:39,019 --> 00:35:41,550 corrections I think there were I had two questions though 730 00:35:41,550 --> 00:35:42,380 about the minutes on 731 00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:45,769 the 21st is now a good time to go over them? We've got time 732 00:35:45,769 --> 00:35:49,539 today. Thank you. Just 733 00:35:49,539 --> 00:35:53,059 give me one second here to just collect my thoughts I 734 00:35:53,059 --> 00:35:54,179 usually look at the 735 00:35:54,179 --> 00:35:55,699 minutes first so it's been a couple of days since I've 736 00:35:55,699 --> 00:35:59,460 looked at them again. If 737 00:35:59,460 --> 00:36:01,829 we want to take a break and get our food and then come back 738 00:36:01,829 --> 00:36:02,579 to that we can do 739 00:36:02,579 --> 00:36:07,179 that too. No I think I got it. Thanks. Yeah okay so October 740 00:36:07,179 --> 00:36:13,300 21st page 4 lines 28 741 00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:25,579 to 31. 28 through 31. Mm-hmm. So my question was about if 742 00:36:25,579 --> 00:36:25,900 there's an 743 00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:29,750 HOA that's not a gated community what those what those HOA 744 00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:30,699 fees go to and I'm 745 00:36:30,699 --> 00:36:34,809 not quite sure that was clear in the minutes. It's a line 746 00:36:34,809 --> 00:36:36,820 29 says Commissioner 747 00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:39,820 Bruegel questioned what the homeowners Association fees are 748 00:36:39,820 --> 00:36:40,860 applied to if 749 00:36:40,860 --> 00:36:42,690 they're not applied to street maintenance. I'd just like to 750 00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:43,059 make that 751 00:36:43,059 --> 00:36:49,190 clear those HOA fees for not not gated communities yeah and 752 00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:50,559 then there was one 753 00:36:50,559 --> 00:37:00,420 more. Oh yeah on page 9 the paragraph about Nottingham 754 00:37:00,420 --> 00:37:02,579 Drive so between lines 755 00:37:02,579 --> 00:37:09,980 11 through 14 it says that since Nottingham Drive is 756 00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:10,579 planned to be one of 757 00:37:10,579 --> 00:37:13,000 the downgraded streets she questioned if there are any 758 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,219 plans to calm traffic on 759 00:37:14,219 --> 00:37:18,219 that street. PS stated that staff will complete a traffic 760 00:37:18,219 --> 00:37:18,780 study and will make 761 00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:22,900 any changes necessary based on the results of the study but 762 00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:23,820 I understood 763 00:37:23,820 --> 00:37:26,389 that conversation and correct me if I'm wrong that the 764 00:37:26,389 --> 00:37:27,659 neighborhood would 765 00:37:27,659 --> 00:37:32,119 actually have to request the changes to be made that the 766 00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:33,179 city wouldn't go in and 767 00:37:33,179 --> 00:37:35,260 automatically make those changes but that if the 768 00:37:35,260 --> 00:37:36,619 neighborhood requested them 769 00:37:36,619 --> 00:37:39,480 then engineering would look into that. Correct. Is that 770 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,179 what you all remember? 771 00:37:40,179 --> 00:37:44,130 It's initiated by the neighborhood. So we'll add that in 772 00:37:44,130 --> 00:37:45,860 there. Okay those are my 773 00:37:45,860 --> 00:37:51,820 only changes to the minutes. Thank you. 774 00:37:53,539 --> 00:37:56,539 Anybody else have comments or changes questions on the 775 00:37:56,539 --> 00:37:59,139 minutes? I just wish we 776 00:37:59,139 --> 00:38:04,960 get the minutes you know so we're not backed up again in a 777 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,099 sense of getting 778 00:38:06,099 --> 00:38:09,110 them you know four weeks six weeks later yeah unless there 779 00:38:09,110 --> 00:38:09,980 was corrections with 780 00:38:09,980 --> 00:38:15,849 other than that. It's hard to remember everything back then 781 00:38:15,849 --> 00:38:17,659 . Right. Okay well I 782 00:38:17,659 --> 00:38:21,519 think that covers all the items that we have on our work 783 00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:23,059 session and then also 784 00:38:23,059 --> 00:38:29,300 the items for our public meeting this evening. Do we want 785 00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:30,019 to just go ahead and 786 00:38:30,019 --> 00:38:35,269 close the work session I guess at this time? Okay so at 540 787 00:38:35,269 --> 00:38:36,019 we are going to 788 00:38:36,019 --> 00:38:39,940 close our work session and then we'll reconvene in council 789 00:38:39,940 --> 00:38:41,380 chambers at 630. 790 00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:44,300 Thank you. 791 00:38:49,659 --> 00:38:54,230 Good evening and welcome to the November 18th City of Dent 792 00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:55,219 on Planning and Zoning 793 00:38:55,219 --> 00:38:58,900 Commission meeting. Our meeting has been duly posted and we 794 00:38:58,900 --> 00:38:59,579 have a quorum 795 00:38:59,579 --> 00:39:04,429 present and it is 631. Our first order of business is to 796 00:39:04,429 --> 00:39:05,380 stand for the pledge 797 00:39:05,380 --> 00:39:09,179 of the US and the Texas flags. 798 00:39:35,380 --> 00:39:53,409 Our next item on our agenda is going to be considered 799 00:39:53,409 --> 00:39:54,820 approval of the our 800 00:39:54,820 --> 00:39:59,179 minutes. The chair would entertain a motion. 801 00:40:03,659 --> 00:40:07,059 Commissioner Bruegel. Thank you chair. I had just a couple 802 00:40:07,059 --> 00:40:07,820 of corrections that we 803 00:40:07,820 --> 00:40:11,190 went over in the work session so with those I move approval 804 00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:12,940 of the minutes. 805 00:40:12,940 --> 00:40:20,059 Commissioner Dudowitz. I second. Okay any discussion? 806 00:40:33,659 --> 00:40:44,219 We have a first and a second and I will call for a vote on 807 00:40:44,219 --> 00:40:45,619 the board. 808 00:41:03,860 --> 00:41:04,000 We're having some technical difficulties so we'll resort to 809 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:09,340 the old-fashioned 810 00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:13,670 we'll do a show of hands. All those in favor raise your 811 00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:15,460 right hand aye. All 812 00:41:15,460 --> 00:41:15,460 those opposed same sign. So the motion carries six to zero. 813 00:41:15,460 --> 00:41:29,300 Our next item is our 814 00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:46,380 consent agenda. Chair would entertain a motion on the 815 00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:46,659 consent agenda. 816 00:41:47,699 --> 00:41:52,760 Commissioner Rossell. I motion to approve the consent 817 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,219 agenda. Commissioner Dudowitz. 818 00:41:56,219 --> 00:42:03,579 I second. Any discussion? The first and the second we'll 819 00:42:03,579 --> 00:42:04,579 call for a vote on the 820 00:42:04,579 --> 00:42:06,860 board. 821 00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:26,659 Motion passes six to zero. That will move us to our public 822 00:42:26,659 --> 00:42:27,860 that will move us to 823 00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:31,010 item number four our consider our planning and zoning 824 00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:32,139 Commission calendar 825 00:42:32,139 --> 00:42:35,539 for 2016. 826 00:42:42,980 --> 00:42:45,130 Commissioner Dudowitz. I approve with the with the 827 00:42:45,130 --> 00:42:49,900 adjustments that we made in 828 00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:57,159 work session moving to November 24th meeting scheduled to 829 00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:58,980 the 30th of 830 00:42:58,980 --> 00:42:58,980 November and the elimination of December 20 28. 831 00:42:58,980 --> 00:43:08,539 Commissioner Beck. Thank you I 832 00:43:08,539 --> 00:43:16,500 second the motion the motion. Any discussion? Seeing none 833 00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:17,780 we will call for 834 00:43:17,780 --> 00:43:20,500 a vote on the board. 835 00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:31,269 Technical difficulties are back so we'll go back to a hand 836 00:43:31,269 --> 00:43:34,460 vote all those in 837 00:43:34,460 --> 00:43:40,719 favor raise your right hand aye. All those opposed same 838 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,340 sign none that motion 839 00:43:43,340 --> 00:43:48,739 carries six zero. That moves us to our public hearings for 840 00:43:48,739 --> 00:43:51,860 this evening. We have 841 00:43:51,860 --> 00:43:56,900 first three items A B and C have all been withdrawn by the 842 00:43:56,900 --> 00:43:58,420 applicant. We did 843 00:43:58,420 --> 00:44:03,449 have one card Mr. Frank Mayhem or may who I'm sorry that 844 00:44:03,449 --> 00:44:04,980 those were withdrawn 845 00:44:04,980 --> 00:44:08,590 from the applicant so when those are rescheduled please 846 00:44:08,590 --> 00:44:09,340 keep an eye on our 847 00:44:09,340 --> 00:44:14,280 calendar and we would be happy to well we don't have 848 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,420 control over that the 849 00:44:16,420 --> 00:44:19,150 applicant has done that I apologize we're not in control 850 00:44:19,150 --> 00:44:19,820 that is this 851 00:44:19,820 --> 00:44:22,309 Commission but we do invite you back when those are resched 852 00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:25,219 uled I'm sorry sir. 853 00:44:25,219 --> 00:44:29,730 I'll ask staff to speak to that sir. Thank You Chairperson 854 00:44:29,730 --> 00:44:30,860 Strange the item S 855 00:44:30,860 --> 00:44:34,130 one one five zero zero one six C has been withdrawn 856 00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:35,820 completely at this point 857 00:44:35,820 --> 00:44:40,070 we are not aware of when or if it will be rescheduled or 858 00:44:40,070 --> 00:44:41,460 come before the 859 00:44:41,460 --> 00:44:46,420 Commission at this point however if we do if it is revived 860 00:44:46,420 --> 00:44:47,380 so to speak it has 861 00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:49,940 been withdrawn but if it is revived then we will send out 862 00:44:49,940 --> 00:44:51,980 notification again thank 863 00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:55,019 you and should you have any questions of us please give us 864 00:44:55,019 --> 00:44:56,260 a call thank you sir 865 00:44:56,260 --> 00:44:59,699 thank you again sorry 866 00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:07,550 due to the number of well I'm back up we're going to move 867 00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:10,139 now to item D and we 868 00:45:10,139 --> 00:45:14,039 will hold that as as it is shown on our agenda and at this 869 00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:15,179 time the chair is 870 00:45:15,179 --> 00:45:19,159 going to open the public hearing and ask for a presentation 871 00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:20,340 on item D thank you 872 00:45:20,340 --> 00:45:22,690 Chairperson Strange Mike Bill the planning department 873 00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:23,579 senior planner will 874 00:45:23,579 --> 00:45:31,579 make this presentation this project is fr 1516 for the Calh 875 00:45:31,579 --> 00:45:35,059 oun edition the 876 00:45:35,059 --> 00:45:37,880 request is a bit of a mouthful but it's essentially a repl 877 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:38,860 at for three separate 878 00:45:38,860 --> 00:45:42,650 subdivisions the Mount second edition the Calhoun Calhoun 879 00:45:42,650 --> 00:45:43,139 middle school 880 00:45:43,139 --> 00:45:45,869 edition the high school edition and a small strip of unpl 881 00:45:45,869 --> 00:45:47,500 atted property and in 882 00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:54,289 the deed records of Denton County section 212 of the Texas 883 00:45:54,289 --> 00:45:55,340 local government 884 00:45:55,340 --> 00:45:58,340 code requires a public hearing for any replat that is not 885 00:45:58,340 --> 00:45:59,139 done that is not 886 00:45:59,139 --> 00:46:02,539 pretty subdivision that is not first vacated it also 887 00:46:02,539 --> 00:46:04,139 requires a written 888 00:46:04,139 --> 00:46:06,949 notice of the public hearing be provided to property owners 889 00:46:06,949 --> 00:46:07,579 in the original 890 00:46:07,579 --> 00:46:11,780 subdivision and those have been 200 feet if the area being 891 00:46:11,780 --> 00:46:12,739 replatted is 892 00:46:12,739 --> 00:46:16,340 restricted or zoned for no more than two units per lot or a 893 00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:17,619 duplex within the 894 00:46:17,619 --> 00:46:20,619 previous five years this property is zoned for single- 895 00:46:20,619 --> 00:46:21,940 family and qualified 896 00:46:21,940 --> 00:46:28,099 for residential replat this is the location of the property 897 00:46:28,099 --> 00:46:28,820 here it's 898 00:46:28,820 --> 00:46:32,380 located near the pecan neighborhood Carroll Boulevard is 899 00:46:32,380 --> 00:46:33,940 here this is Calhoun 900 00:46:33,940 --> 00:46:37,400 middle school you see the Calhoun middle middle school 901 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,539 tennis courts are included 902 00:46:38,539 --> 00:46:43,670 in the property and a number of single-family properties as 903 00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:47,179 well as I 904 00:46:47,179 --> 00:46:49,659 said before this is three separate subdivisions you have 905 00:46:49,659 --> 00:46:50,219 the high school 906 00:46:50,219 --> 00:46:53,380 edition in red the Calhoun middle school edition in orange 907 00:46:53,380 --> 00:46:54,900 Mount second edition 908 00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:58,599 in purple and this yellow strip here is a 30-foot unplatted 909 00:46:58,599 --> 00:46:59,179 land which I 910 00:46:59,179 --> 00:47:05,139 mentioned before and about a macro level there are three 911 00:47:05,139 --> 00:47:06,219 reasons why we're here 912 00:47:06,219 --> 00:47:10,179 tonight the first is to subdivide part of that 30-foot 913 00:47:10,179 --> 00:47:11,579 strip shown here between 914 00:47:11,579 --> 00:47:17,469 the budding property owners secondly there's additional 30 915 00:47:17,469 --> 00:47:18,380 feet within the 916 00:47:18,380 --> 00:47:22,380 Calhoun middle school addition that the DISD wish to convey 917 00:47:22,380 --> 00:47:23,460 to the adjacent 918 00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:27,179 properties in the north and south and lastly to establish 919 00:47:27,179 --> 00:47:28,239 new legal boundaries 920 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,239 for three lots along Anderson and I'll go into a little 921 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,260 more detail this is the 922 00:47:33,260 --> 00:47:36,079 zoom in of the proposed plat there's a lot going on so kind 923 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:36,820 of walk you through 924 00:47:36,820 --> 00:47:40,219 it here very quickly this is that 30-foot strip that I 925 00:47:40,219 --> 00:47:41,579 mentioned earlier 926 00:47:41,579 --> 00:47:45,130 the reason we're here is the owner of this property to the 927 00:47:45,130 --> 00:47:46,260 north came in for a 928 00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:49,260 permit to redo the house and with that a driveway that 929 00:47:49,260 --> 00:47:50,780 driveway was located in 930 00:47:50,780 --> 00:47:53,780 the area in yellow the review of that permit we determined 931 00:47:53,780 --> 00:47:55,059 that his plat did 932 00:47:55,059 --> 00:47:57,519 not match and further investigation showed that it was 933 00:47:57,519 --> 00:47:58,380 actually owned by 934 00:47:58,380 --> 00:48:01,969 didn't ISD so we held a meeting with didn't ISD and the 935 00:48:01,969 --> 00:48:03,380 adjacent property 936 00:48:03,380 --> 00:48:06,659 owners to the south who are also along that strip at that 937 00:48:06,659 --> 00:48:08,179 meeting didn't ISD 938 00:48:08,179 --> 00:48:10,909 agreed to convey that property to those owners in a way 939 00:48:10,909 --> 00:48:11,860 that reflected the 940 00:48:11,860 --> 00:48:15,380 current development pattern in the area so as a result 941 00:48:15,380 --> 00:48:16,900 these are essentially the 942 00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:20,309 new property lines being created here giving them 20 feet 943 00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:21,219 the property owner 944 00:48:21,219 --> 00:48:25,550 to the north and roughly 10 feet to the property owners to 945 00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:27,739 the south also didn't 946 00:48:27,739 --> 00:48:30,739 ISD had another strip of land within the Calhoun Middle 947 00:48:30,739 --> 00:48:31,980 School addition that they 948 00:48:31,980 --> 00:48:35,679 no longer found necessary and they were we asked if these 949 00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:36,860 two property owners to 950 00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:39,139 the north and south would like to have it they said yes 951 00:48:39,139 --> 00:48:40,579 they would so the 952 00:48:40,579 --> 00:48:42,989 second part of this we're going to subdivide it roughly 953 00:48:42,989 --> 00:48:44,300 here equally 954 00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:49,320 between the two and then lastly the third part of this is 955 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,619 according to the 956 00:48:50,619 --> 00:48:53,849 plat done back in the early 1900s this was actually 957 00:48:53,849 --> 00:48:55,900 originally four lots shown 958 00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:59,420 by the lines in blue over the decades those lines are kind 959 00:48:59,420 --> 00:49:00,460 of reconfigured 960 00:49:00,460 --> 00:49:02,739 through meets and bounds the plat was never adjusted 961 00:49:02,739 --> 00:49:06,300 accordingly so as part of 962 00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:08,500 this we're going to clean up those property lines to where 963 00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:09,019 they are now 964 00:49:09,019 --> 00:49:11,849 according to their deeds which is roughly here so to go 965 00:49:11,849 --> 00:49:12,739 from four lots to 966 00:49:12,739 --> 00:49:14,820 three lots there are three houses and there have been three 967 00:49:14,820 --> 00:49:15,420 houses for many 968 00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:19,719 decades in the end we'll get kind of a product like this 969 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:20,940 where these will be 970 00:49:20,940 --> 00:49:27,579 the boundary lines within the plot as it does mean all the 971 00:49:27,579 --> 00:49:28,460 technical 972 00:49:28,460 --> 00:49:30,909 requirements of our development code staff recommends 973 00:49:30,909 --> 00:49:31,980 approval and I'll stand 974 00:49:31,980 --> 00:49:37,170 for any questions commissioner Roselle thank you chair can 975 00:49:37,170 --> 00:49:38,219 you go back to the 976 00:49:38,219 --> 00:49:41,500 location map at the very start of your presentation you've 977 00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:42,659 identified an 978 00:49:42,659 --> 00:49:46,090 unplatted strip of land that crosses over Amarillo Street 979 00:49:46,090 --> 00:49:47,739 to the west is there 980 00:49:47,739 --> 00:49:49,920 a reason that that's not being addressed at this time is 981 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:50,860 this going to remain 982 00:49:50,860 --> 00:49:54,139 on unplatted we actually held a neighborhood meeting with 983 00:49:54,139 --> 00:49:55,019 everybody in 984 00:49:55,019 --> 00:49:57,750 that block and that property owner as well requesting if 985 00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:58,539 they wanted to to 986 00:49:58,539 --> 00:50:01,360 join in on this application they chose not to at this time 987 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,139 is there any 988 00:50:02,139 --> 00:50:04,469 implications to them for not doing that if their deed doesn 989 00:50:04,469 --> 00:50:05,179 't align with the 990 00:50:05,179 --> 00:50:07,579 plot for that homeowner yes they may have the same 991 00:50:07,579 --> 00:50:09,460 situation as the property 992 00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:11,010 owner within this one did where they couldn't get a 993 00:50:11,010 --> 00:50:11,780 driveway permit until 994 00:50:11,780 --> 00:50:14,639 they rectify the issue we made that known they still were 995 00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:15,059 not comfortable 996 00:50:15,059 --> 00:50:18,980 joining in thank you 997 00:50:21,539 --> 00:50:27,099 no other questions for staff okay this is a public hearing 998 00:50:27,099 --> 00:50:28,219 anyone that would 999 00:50:28,219 --> 00:50:31,449 like to speak on this item is welcome to come down at this 1000 00:50:31,449 --> 00:50:33,300 time please fill out a 1001 00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:36,800 yellow card if you would like we're waiting on that we did 1002 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:37,659 have one card 1003 00:50:37,659 --> 00:50:43,739 from Bill Coleman in support of this and he did not wish to 1004 00:50:43,739 --> 00:50:45,460 speak in public 1005 00:50:45,460 --> 00:50:49,030 hearing anyone else would like to speak on this before we 1006 00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:49,780 close the public 1007 00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:55,699 hearing seeing none we will close the public hearing on 1008 00:50:55,699 --> 00:50:58,260 this item 1009 00:51:04,420 --> 00:51:10,980 Commissioner back I move we approve the final plan on this 1010 00:51:13,099 --> 00:51:17,969 Commissioner Dudowitz I second the motion okay any 1011 00:51:17,969 --> 00:51:20,420 discussion 1012 00:51:23,380 --> 00:51:27,820 seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board 1013 00:51:34,699 --> 00:51:41,449 motion carries six zero we're going to make a adjustment to 1014 00:51:41,449 --> 00:51:45,420 our agenda we're 1015 00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:49,559 going to be moving item F ahead of item E due to the length 1016 00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:51,099 of the presentation 1017 00:51:51,099 --> 00:51:55,400 so we will move now to open the public hearing for item F 1018 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,300 thank you chairperson 1019 00:51:57,300 --> 00:51:57,300 strange I will request Julie Wyatt with our planning 1020 00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:02,179 department to make this 1021 00:52:02,179 --> 00:52:09,300 presentation good evening Julie Wyatt associate planner 1022 00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:12,019 with the city of Denton 1023 00:52:15,179 --> 00:52:18,179 tonight I'm presenting to you a code amendment or proposed 1024 00:52:18,179 --> 00:52:20,900 code amendment the 1025 00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:23,760 request is to consider making a recommendation to City 1026 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,099 Council regarding 1027 00:52:25,099 --> 00:52:28,099 an amendment to the Denton development code to add assembly 1028 00:52:28,099 --> 00:52:28,900 halls clubs and 1029 00:52:28,900 --> 00:52:32,179 lodges to the list of zoning uses in subchapter 5 and also 1030 00:52:32,179 --> 00:52:32,940 revise the 1031 00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:37,579 definition for semi public halls clubs and lodges in subch 1032 00:52:37,579 --> 00:52:39,940 apter 23 the reason 1033 00:52:39,940 --> 00:52:43,250 that we're discussing this tonight is because over the last 1034 00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:44,179 year or so staff 1035 00:52:44,179 --> 00:52:48,039 has been approached by several entities as well as 1036 00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:49,840 applicants wanting to 1037 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,300 develop facilities to accommodate private functions in more 1038 00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:54,940 rural or 1039 00:52:54,940 --> 00:53:00,900 residential or non-commercial areas the uses that would 1040 00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:03,219 this would encompass 1041 00:53:03,219 --> 00:53:07,179 would be private events such as weddings meetings banquets 1042 00:53:07,179 --> 00:53:08,099 the activities 1043 00:53:08,099 --> 00:53:11,570 associated with it would include catering alcohol sales for 1044 00:53:11,570 --> 00:53:12,139 on-site 1045 00:53:12,139 --> 00:53:15,699 consumption and typically live or recorded music some sort 1046 00:53:15,699 --> 00:53:16,699 of entertainment 1047 00:53:16,699 --> 00:53:20,619 the Denton development code does not have a definition or a 1048 00:53:20,619 --> 00:53:21,219 use that 1049 00:53:21,219 --> 00:53:25,179 adequately describes this these types of activities for a 1050 00:53:25,179 --> 00:53:29,579 for-profit entity so we 1051 00:53:29,579 --> 00:53:32,929 discussed this in a previous work session the Denton 1052 00:53:32,929 --> 00:53:33,900 development code does 1053 00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:37,469 have a definition for use that encompasses those activities 1054 00:53:37,469 --> 00:53:37,659 of 1055 00:53:37,659 --> 00:53:44,250 catering rental hall banquet facility and that's semi 1056 00:53:44,250 --> 00:53:45,619 public halls clubs and 1057 00:53:45,619 --> 00:53:50,079 lodges but they only limited these activities to non for 1058 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,699 not-for-profit entities 1059 00:53:52,699 --> 00:53:57,760 so in order to broaden the types of applicants or people 1060 00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,099 who could use this 1061 00:53:59,099 --> 00:54:03,150 definition and this use staff is recommending that we 1062 00:54:03,150 --> 00:54:03,980 remove the 1063 00:54:03,980 --> 00:54:10,590 non-for-profit portion of this definition and also and also 1064 00:54:10,590 --> 00:54:11,380 redo the 1065 00:54:11,380 --> 00:54:15,619 term to be assembly halls clubs and lodges as a structure 1066 00:54:15,619 --> 00:54:16,900 or facility owned 1067 00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:19,760 or operated for special educational or recreational 1068 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:20,900 purposes once again this 1069 00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:23,940 still encompasses those same activities that were in the 1070 00:54:23,940 --> 00:54:25,780 previous definition but 1071 00:54:25,780 --> 00:54:30,630 it just broadens who can use it we're also recommending 1072 00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:31,980 that this use be 1073 00:54:31,980 --> 00:54:34,989 treated in the same manner as the existing semi public 1074 00:54:34,989 --> 00:54:35,900 halls clubs and 1075 00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:39,789 lodges so for our rural areas it would not be permitted in 1076 00:54:39,789 --> 00:54:41,139 RD5 but it would be 1077 00:54:41,139 --> 00:54:46,420 permitted in rural commercial sorry for our residential 1078 00:54:46,420 --> 00:54:47,980 zoning districts in our 1079 00:54:47,980 --> 00:54:51,699 one through in our six we're recommending it to stay as an 1080 00:54:51,699 --> 00:54:53,099 SUP and 1081 00:54:53,099 --> 00:54:56,869 then in our MU 12 would be a limitation in our MU it would 1082 00:54:56,869 --> 00:54:59,659 be a permitted use in 1083 00:54:59,659 --> 00:55:03,429 staffs analysis of this code amendment we felt that the SUP 1084 00:55:03,429 --> 00:55:04,579 and in retaining 1085 00:55:04,579 --> 00:55:07,659 that within our residential zoning districts was important 1086 00:55:07,659 --> 00:55:09,380 because a use 1087 00:55:09,380 --> 00:55:12,519 that requires an SUP is a use that may be permitted in the 1088 00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:13,780 zoning district but 1089 00:55:13,780 --> 00:55:16,780 additional scrutiny would be required in order to make sure 1090 00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:17,579 that that use does 1091 00:55:17,579 --> 00:55:20,360 fit in with the existing character of the area as well as 1092 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,420 the land use pattern 1093 00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:27,679 so for for the in our one through in our six subchapter six 1094 00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:28,900 would apply to the 1095 00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:32,269 use and that would be additional criteria for approval it 1096 00:55:32,269 --> 00:55:33,139 would go through 1097 00:55:33,139 --> 00:55:36,369 the public hearing process and there could be conditions 1098 00:55:36,369 --> 00:55:37,539 placed upon the use 1099 00:55:37,539 --> 00:55:42,150 such as limiting the scope of the use limiting the hours of 1100 00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:43,539 operation those 1101 00:55:43,539 --> 00:55:46,659 types of things to mitigate any nuisances and to make it 1102 00:55:46,659 --> 00:55:47,380 compatible with 1103 00:55:47,380 --> 00:55:52,230 the surrounding area in our downtown zoning districts a 1104 00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:54,380 permitted use our 1105 00:55:54,380 --> 00:55:58,510 community mixed use districts permitted regional mixed use 1106 00:55:58,510 --> 00:56:00,500 permitted employment 1107 00:56:00,500 --> 00:56:04,659 centers and then also industrial centers permitted as a 1108 00:56:04,659 --> 00:56:06,179 semi public halls clubs 1109 00:56:06,179 --> 00:56:10,420 and lodges so staff does recommend approval of this code 1110 00:56:10,420 --> 00:56:11,659 amendment and I'll 1111 00:56:11,659 --> 00:56:14,420 stand for any questions 1112 00:56:18,699 --> 00:56:25,320 thank you this is a public hearing anyone who would like to 1113 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:25,980 speak on this 1114 00:56:25,980 --> 00:56:30,079 item please come forward at this time I do not have any 1115 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:34,579 cards on this item yet 1116 00:56:36,219 --> 00:56:38,079 yes a public hearing if anyone would like to speak on this 1117 00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:39,179 item please come 1118 00:56:39,179 --> 00:56:41,820 forward at this time 1119 00:56:46,260 --> 00:56:49,510 just public hearing I'm sorry I don't know the procedure 1120 00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:52,380 for this okay great I 1121 00:56:52,380 --> 00:56:57,659 got here just in time you're up come on all right welcome 1122 00:56:57,659 --> 00:56:59,699 and if you would give 1123 00:56:59,699 --> 00:57:02,199 us your name and address for the record and then when you 1124 00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:03,300 're finished with your 1125 00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:05,760 comments if you'll fill out a yellow card we would 1126 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:06,820 appreciate it you'll have 1127 00:57:06,820 --> 00:57:10,679 three minutes all right Commission thank you for inviting 1128 00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:11,820 us to speak on this 1129 00:57:11,820 --> 00:57:18,539 matter my name is Lucas Hall L-e-c-a-s-h-o-l-l my address 1130 00:57:18,539 --> 00:57:20,099 is 815 1131 00:57:20,099 --> 00:57:30,260 crest oak place that's Denton 76209 and I am here to urge 1132 00:57:30,260 --> 00:57:33,539 the Commission to a 1133 00:57:33,539 --> 00:57:38,730 either reject the proposal outright or be rejected on the 1134 00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:40,579 condition that it is 1135 00:57:40,579 --> 00:57:48,150 amended in order to preserve the semi public definition and 1136 00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:49,380 apply and 1137 00:57:49,380 --> 00:57:55,210 continue to apply the semi public definition as it applies 1138 00:57:55,210 --> 00:57:55,860 to all 1139 00:57:55,860 --> 00:58:01,650 neighborhood residential zoning areas one two three four 1140 00:58:01,650 --> 00:58:03,940 and six I I believe 1141 00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:10,139 that so here I'm generally opposed to it because the 1142 00:58:10,139 --> 00:58:13,940 inclusion by eliminating 1143 00:58:13,940 --> 00:58:21,380 that the language excuse me by eliminating the what I'm 1144 00:58:21,380 --> 00:58:21,900 calling the 1145 00:58:21,900 --> 00:58:30,070 non not-for-profit provision we are by nature including for 1146 00:58:30,070 --> 00:58:31,019 -profit and 1147 00:58:31,019 --> 00:58:36,150 commercial uses into the definition that's as described in 1148 00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:37,019 the staff 1149 00:58:37,019 --> 00:58:42,519 recommendation now that goes against a historical and this 1150 00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:43,980 is a nationwide 1151 00:58:43,980 --> 00:58:50,739 historical precedent of having residential zones limited to 1152 00:58:50,739 --> 00:58:52,179 family a 1153 00:58:52,179 --> 00:58:55,699 living multifamily single-family use with the exception of 1154 00:58:55,699 --> 00:58:57,500 nonprofit community 1155 00:58:57,500 --> 00:59:01,500 type uses like schools neighborhood churches other 1156 00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:03,099 neighborhood nonprofit 1157 00:59:03,099 --> 00:59:08,659 surface service and community type uses the introduction of 1158 00:59:08,659 --> 00:59:09,699 for-profit or 1159 00:59:09,699 --> 00:59:13,769 business type uses into the definition of assembly halls 1160 00:59:13,769 --> 00:59:15,380 and then creating this 1161 00:59:15,380 --> 00:59:20,820 mechanism by which these could be inserted into what are 1162 00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:22,659 uniformly under 1163 00:59:22,659 --> 00:59:26,800 the Denton the existing development code uniformly for for 1164 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,099 family living for 1165 00:59:28,099 --> 00:59:33,360 quiet peaceful residential living that is antithetical it's 1166 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,699 it's using I'm 1167 00:59:35,699 --> 00:59:39,380 against that generally and I think a lot of neighborhood 1168 00:59:39,380 --> 00:59:40,780 representatives would be 1169 00:59:40,780 --> 00:59:44,269 there maybe I don't know how many people are here to speak 1170 00:59:44,269 --> 00:59:45,539 on it but if people 1171 00:59:45,539 --> 00:59:51,699 hear the idea that we're expanding the possibility of uses 1172 00:59:51,699 --> 00:59:53,760 to include for-profit 1173 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,070 or commercial uses which are not by nature bad in fact 1174 00:59:57,070 --> 00:59:58,340 there are plenty of 1175 00:59:58,340 --> 01:00:01,789 business owners that are going to be great neighbors but it 1176 01:00:01,789 --> 01:00:02,619 's expanding 1177 01:00:02,619 --> 01:00:06,980 needlessly to address a very fine technical problem and 1178 01:00:06,980 --> 01:00:08,139 that is it's my 1179 01:00:08,139 --> 01:00:13,329 understanding simply to incorporate this small niche of 1180 01:00:13,329 --> 01:00:15,000 assembly type business 1181 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,650 classes into a new definition so here's my proposal if you 1182 01:00:19,650 --> 01:00:20,619 really want to 1183 01:00:20,619 --> 01:00:24,190 address this which is including a new definition for 1184 01:00:24,190 --> 01:00:25,900 assembly type for-profit 1185 01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:31,300 businesses maintain the semi public definition with the 1186 01:00:31,300 --> 01:00:33,780 nonprofit limiting 1187 01:00:33,780 --> 01:00:38,079 use and make sure that continues to apply to all 1188 01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:40,860 neighborhood residentials but 1189 01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:46,360 create the new assembly definition as staff has proposed 1190 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,280 and allow that to be 1191 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:53,409 included on in mixed use commercial and industrial but 1192 01:00:53,409 --> 01:00:55,219 please leave the 1193 01:00:55,219 --> 01:00:59,679 neighborhood residential one through six with a big N in 1194 01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:02,139 all places if you do in 1195 01:01:02,139 --> 01:01:06,610 fact create that new assembly definition and by the way if 1196 01:01:06,610 --> 01:01:07,940 there's a business 1197 01:01:07,940 --> 01:01:10,349 owner or a group of business owners out there that really 1198 01:01:10,349 --> 01:01:11,019 really want to 1199 01:01:11,019 --> 01:01:14,599 establish a business thank you for the extended time in an 1200 01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:15,420 area that's 1201 01:01:15,420 --> 01:01:19,559 classified as neighborhood residential we already have the 1202 01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:20,420 tools at our 1203 01:01:20,420 --> 01:01:26,820 disposal variances or rezoning and I'm gonna cut you off 1204 01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:28,059 right here we'd let 1205 01:01:28,059 --> 01:01:31,579 you go for you thank you before you go yes came in late and 1206 01:01:31,579 --> 01:01:32,099 I think you may 1207 01:01:32,099 --> 01:01:33,929 have missed some of the items in the presentation and I 1208 01:01:33,929 --> 01:01:34,619 think there may be 1209 01:01:34,619 --> 01:01:37,619 some questions and then we may ask staff to come up and 1210 01:01:37,619 --> 01:01:38,699 clarify an item for you 1211 01:01:38,699 --> 01:01:41,710 so I'm gonna recognize Commissioner Brickle please sure mr. 1212 01:01:41,710 --> 01:01:42,539 Hall thank you 1213 01:01:42,539 --> 01:01:44,920 for coming tonight you walked it was like it was like in 1214 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:45,739 the TV shows like 1215 01:01:45,739 --> 01:01:52,300 I've arrived here so are you aware that those staff is 1216 01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:53,780 recommending approval in 1217 01:01:53,780 --> 01:01:57,349 and are one through and our six that there does require an 1218 01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:58,460 SUP process which 1219 01:01:58,460 --> 01:02:01,460 does trigger a public hearing are you aware of that and 1220 01:02:01,460 --> 01:02:02,619 does that seem to 1221 01:02:02,619 --> 01:02:05,940 satisfy some of your concerns that the neighborhood can 1222 01:02:05,940 --> 01:02:08,420 come out and speak for 1223 01:02:08,420 --> 01:02:13,269 or against a proposal like that I am aware and I maintain 1224 01:02:13,269 --> 01:02:14,659 my position I'm 1225 01:02:14,659 --> 01:02:19,989 aware that this but and and the I think there there should 1226 01:02:19,989 --> 01:02:22,780 be a bifurcated 1227 01:02:22,780 --> 01:02:26,730 assembly type definition one that is semi-public as we have 1228 01:02:26,730 --> 01:02:27,739 it that exists 1229 01:02:27,739 --> 01:02:32,869 right now and that applies to neighborhood uses with the SU 1230 01:02:32,869 --> 01:02:33,539 P provision 1231 01:02:33,539 --> 01:02:36,699 all the way across as it does right now and then creating a 1232 01:02:36,699 --> 01:02:37,699 new definition 1233 01:02:37,699 --> 01:02:41,619 identical to the sets that's assembly clubs lounges 1234 01:02:41,619 --> 01:02:43,380 identical to the current 1235 01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:47,760 definition without the nonprofit limitation and then that 1236 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:48,980 would also be an 1237 01:02:48,980 --> 01:02:53,280 SUP but that would only apply but it would be a big end in 1238 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:54,940 every right in our 1239 01:02:54,940 --> 01:03:01,019 zone but then an SUP under every mixed use and commercial 1240 01:03:01,019 --> 01:03:02,539 and so yes I realize 1241 01:03:02,539 --> 01:03:05,170 that's a pause a possible rebuttal to what I just said but 1242 01:03:05,170 --> 01:03:06,059 I believe it should 1243 01:03:06,059 --> 01:03:09,719 remain a big end all the way across in neighborhood and one 1244 01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:10,539 more question for 1245 01:03:10,539 --> 01:03:15,389 you Commissioner Hudson yes mr. so my question is this yes 1246 01:03:15,389 --> 01:03:16,780 given given a 1247 01:03:16,780 --> 01:03:20,699 hypothetical situation currently now if a church or a not- 1248 01:03:20,699 --> 01:03:22,019 for-profit wanted to 1249 01:03:22,019 --> 01:03:27,550 lease to an individual that door is somewhat open and there 1250 01:03:27,550 --> 01:03:28,900 is no hearing 1251 01:03:28,900 --> 01:03:33,329 have you considered that that at least with this provision 1252 01:03:33,329 --> 01:03:34,739 you would at least 1253 01:03:34,739 --> 01:03:41,050 it eliminates that to a degree I think there I think there 1254 01:03:41,050 --> 01:03:42,579 is a more refined 1255 01:03:42,579 --> 01:03:46,260 way to us to address that problem and that's what I what I 1256 01:03:46,260 --> 01:03:47,539 just said and if 1257 01:03:47,539 --> 01:03:58,119 you really needed to I frankly I don't think that the the 1258 01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:00,699 rare instance of this 1259 01:04:00,699 --> 01:04:04,550 happening the hypothetical I don't think the possibility of 1260 01:04:04,550 --> 01:04:05,699 those hypotheticals 1261 01:04:05,699 --> 01:04:13,630 warrants the broad brush stroke of blanket allowing for- 1262 01:04:13,630 --> 01:04:14,860 profit applicants 1263 01:04:14,860 --> 01:04:19,000 to encroach into neighborhood residential zones and I 1264 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,219 realize this is 1265 01:04:20,219 --> 01:04:24,269 all conditioned on that special use permit requirement but 1266 01:04:24,269 --> 01:04:26,260 in that instance I 1267 01:04:26,260 --> 01:04:31,110 think we could come up with a more refined tool I haven't 1268 01:04:31,110 --> 01:04:32,139 had time to 1269 01:04:32,139 --> 01:04:35,000 contemplate that hypothetical but I think there's a more 1270 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,460 refined tool and a 1271 01:04:36,460 --> 01:04:39,929 zoning tool at our disposal to address that particular 1272 01:04:39,929 --> 01:04:41,059 situation and I'd be 1273 01:04:41,059 --> 01:04:44,340 happy to think about it and respond in more detail if you 1274 01:04:44,340 --> 01:04:46,900 want me to but sure 1275 01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:50,619 yeah I don't know all that's contingent on the vote tonight 1276 01:04:50,619 --> 01:04:51,619 but yes I'd love to 1277 01:04:51,619 --> 01:04:55,739 because that is it that's I think that I live about a block 1278 01:04:55,739 --> 01:04:57,139 away from the Legion 1279 01:04:57,139 --> 01:05:01,809 Hall and they're booked every weekend pretty much and so 1280 01:05:01,809 --> 01:05:02,860 yeah I think it is 1281 01:05:02,860 --> 01:05:08,860 more realistic than you think and so I'd love to hear what 1282 01:05:08,860 --> 01:05:10,179 you have to say sure 1283 01:05:10,179 --> 01:05:13,550 yes one more question for a Commissioner Roselle thank you 1284 01:05:13,550 --> 01:05:14,380 mr. all I appreciate 1285 01:05:14,380 --> 01:05:16,940 you coming speak and I actually raised some of the same 1286 01:05:16,940 --> 01:05:17,980 concerns you had in a 1287 01:05:17,980 --> 01:05:21,190 work session several weeks ago namely I was concerned about 1288 01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:22,420 inviting specific 1289 01:05:22,420 --> 01:05:27,119 noise issues into residential area and I was I was educated 1290 01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:28,260 on the fact that 1291 01:05:28,260 --> 01:05:31,300 there's city ordinances that help prevent that existence 1292 01:05:31,300 --> 01:05:32,139 from happening 1293 01:05:32,139 --> 01:05:35,139 apart from the special use permit which we would have the 1294 01:05:35,139 --> 01:05:36,179 ability to put some 1295 01:05:36,179 --> 01:05:40,260 constricts on some of the usage and so I align with you and 1296 01:05:40,260 --> 01:05:41,539 some of the concerns 1297 01:05:41,539 --> 01:05:45,880 I also is as we look at this there's community centers that 1298 01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:46,980 pop up and then 1299 01:05:46,980 --> 01:05:50,659 planned not planned developments but in residences that 1300 01:05:50,659 --> 01:05:52,619 with the nonprofit tag 1301 01:05:52,619 --> 01:05:56,059 on that would be inhibited to rent out that space for 1302 01:05:56,059 --> 01:05:57,900 weekend functions so this 1303 01:05:57,900 --> 01:06:01,820 would would help those localized type community centers 1304 01:06:01,820 --> 01:06:02,780 function without 1305 01:06:02,780 --> 01:06:05,130 having to go through like a rezoning or variance process 1306 01:06:05,130 --> 01:06:06,059 that that you brought 1307 01:06:06,059 --> 01:06:14,809 up does that make sense yes and I frankly am I guess I don 1308 01:06:14,809 --> 01:06:15,380 't know how the 1309 01:06:15,380 --> 01:06:19,469 code applies to this instance of that you gentlemen have 1310 01:06:19,469 --> 01:06:22,059 raised of an existing 1311 01:06:22,059 --> 01:06:25,460 not-for-profit organization leasing out for a business 1312 01:06:25,460 --> 01:06:26,900 purpose in my mind you 1313 01:06:26,900 --> 01:06:31,570 could easily justify it as as it as the code exists and 1314 01:06:31,570 --> 01:06:33,659 saying that financial 1315 01:06:33,659 --> 01:06:36,519 leasing out for the financial support of the existing 1316 01:06:36,519 --> 01:06:37,780 community or nonprofit 1317 01:06:37,780 --> 01:06:44,079 organization is a satisfactory nonprofit use whereas a 1318 01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:46,420 completely for-profit use 1319 01:06:46,420 --> 01:06:51,610 what really matters is the bottom line and I think that has 1320 01:06:51,610 --> 01:06:52,780 an inherent 1321 01:06:52,780 --> 01:06:57,630 friction with the established long established and very 1322 01:06:57,630 --> 01:06:58,619 delightful 1323 01:06:58,619 --> 01:07:02,619 established norms we have in Denton residential 1324 01:07:02,619 --> 01:07:05,420 neighborhoods and I really 1325 01:07:05,420 --> 01:07:08,739 see no harm in creating a bifurcated definition the way I 1326 01:07:08,739 --> 01:07:10,039 've envisioned and I 1327 01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:12,530 realize you all probably discussed this much longer than I 1328 01:07:12,530 --> 01:07:13,380 've had a chance to 1329 01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:18,300 talk to you about it but yeah I I appreciate your comments 1330 01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:18,900 and welcome 1331 01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:21,969 taking any other questions to see no other questions thank 1332 01:07:21,969 --> 01:07:22,659 you for your 1333 01:07:22,659 --> 01:07:26,380 comments okay thank you so much thank you again this is a 1334 01:07:26,380 --> 01:07:27,699 public hearing anyone 1335 01:07:27,699 --> 01:07:30,760 else that would like to speak on this item please come 1336 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,860 forward at this time 1337 01:07:35,420 --> 01:07:42,460 seeing none I will close the public hearing on this item 1338 01:07:46,380 --> 01:07:50,940 Commissioner Bruegel thank you chair Julie where's Julie 1339 01:07:50,940 --> 01:07:54,219 hey Julie thank you 1340 01:07:54,219 --> 01:07:58,000 I'm wondering if you could address some of his concerns and 1341 01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,260 maybe make your case 1342 01:07:59,260 --> 01:08:03,179 for why the SUP process might might address some of his his 1343 01:08:03,179 --> 01:08:04,179 concerns with 1344 01:08:04,179 --> 01:08:07,900 that sure absolutely and I'll say that staff was really 1345 01:08:07,900 --> 01:08:08,619 sensitive to his 1346 01:08:08,619 --> 01:08:12,590 concerns and it was we went around quite a bit on it and 1347 01:08:12,590 --> 01:08:14,019 and so it was it was 1348 01:08:14,019 --> 01:08:19,729 definitely a point of discussion with staff but at the end 1349 01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:21,140 you know we looked 1350 01:08:21,140 --> 01:08:26,159 at what the existing the existing use what the activities 1351 01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:27,819 were associated with 1352 01:08:27,819 --> 01:08:30,819 it and they really are the same activities it really comes 1353 01:08:30,819 --> 01:08:31,380 down and who's 1354 01:08:31,380 --> 01:08:35,500 using it and so I think we're sensitive to the commercial 1355 01:08:35,500 --> 01:08:36,300 nature and to the 1356 01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:39,130 nature of those activities they could get quite intensive 1357 01:08:39,130 --> 01:08:39,779 and we tried to 1358 01:08:39,779 --> 01:08:44,340 think about worst-case scenarios in our internal meetings 1359 01:08:44,340 --> 01:08:46,100 but when but when we 1360 01:08:46,100 --> 01:08:50,590 looked at those and then we looked at you know any use that 1361 01:08:50,590 --> 01:08:52,020 would come in in a 1362 01:08:52,020 --> 01:08:56,460 residential district would also have to meet any any lot 1363 01:08:56,460 --> 01:08:58,619 coverages any building 1364 01:08:58,619 --> 01:09:01,619 envelope requirements within that zoning district so that 1365 01:09:01,619 --> 01:09:02,500 would be a limiter to 1366 01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:05,359 it there would potentially there would be buffering 1367 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:06,340 requirements screening 1368 01:09:06,340 --> 01:09:11,189 requirements and that's just just on the code but then when 1369 01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:12,380 you look at the 1370 01:09:12,380 --> 01:09:16,550 additional criteria for approval for the SUP and that there 1371 01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:17,699 would be public 1372 01:09:17,699 --> 01:09:22,350 notification as well as a public hearing that we felt like 1373 01:09:22,350 --> 01:09:23,699 that extra scrutiny 1374 01:09:23,699 --> 01:09:27,970 and that community input would serve to to make sure that 1375 01:09:27,970 --> 01:09:29,460 it was compatible with 1376 01:09:29,460 --> 01:09:35,539 the character of the neighborhood. Yeah and a follow-up to 1377 01:09:35,539 --> 01:09:36,420 I believe there was 1378 01:09:36,420 --> 01:09:39,460 we brought up you brought up an example of something 1379 01:09:39,460 --> 01:09:42,140 currently existing was it 1380 01:09:42,140 --> 01:09:44,869 the Wildwood or something that can you talk about? Wildwood 1381 01:09:44,869 --> 01:09:49,340 Inn is a facility 1382 01:09:49,340 --> 01:09:52,039 that is a bed and breakfast it's actually got a CEO for a 1383 01:09:52,039 --> 01:09:52,779 bed and breakfast 1384 01:09:52,779 --> 01:09:58,380 but it also holds weddings as well and that's in a 1385 01:09:58,380 --> 01:09:59,979 residential area is 1386 01:09:59,979 --> 01:10:02,810 that right? Yes ma'am. It is on arterial but it but it is 1387 01:10:02,810 --> 01:10:04,180 in a residential zoning in a 1388 01:10:04,180 --> 01:10:08,859 residential area. And it seems to fit well with where it is 1389 01:10:08,859 --> 01:10:09,340 there haven't 1390 01:10:09,340 --> 01:10:11,140 been many complaints from the residents in that 1391 01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:12,340 neighborhood? I'm not aware I 1392 01:10:12,340 --> 01:10:16,189 know that the neighborhoods have had complaints about noise 1393 01:10:16,189 --> 01:10:17,500 but but I don't 1394 01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:20,329 know about any specific complaints. Staff was also 1395 01:10:20,329 --> 01:10:22,020 approached by an applicant who 1396 01:10:22,020 --> 01:10:27,039 wanted to do a farm slash wedding venue on the west side of 1397 01:10:27,039 --> 01:10:28,220 town in an NR2 1398 01:10:28,220 --> 01:10:30,489 zoning district and when we looked at what they were 1399 01:10:30,489 --> 01:10:32,220 proposing it really made 1400 01:10:32,220 --> 01:10:35,300 sense it was a rural type use it was going to have large 1401 01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:36,300 acreage so it would 1402 01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:39,399 have provide a lot of buffer between them and the neighbors 1403 01:10:39,399 --> 01:10:40,260 but it would also 1404 01:10:40,260 --> 01:10:43,630 have been a for-profit in order you know they had to have 1405 01:10:43,630 --> 01:10:44,899 the wedding component in 1406 01:10:44,899 --> 01:10:48,069 order to have the sort of farm component so we tried to 1407 01:10:48,069 --> 01:10:49,460 look at all you know the 1408 01:10:49,460 --> 01:10:52,960 the different scales and how the intensities could affect 1409 01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:53,220 the the 1410 01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:55,949 character of the areas and there would be some instances 1411 01:10:55,949 --> 01:10:56,979 where it would not be 1412 01:10:56,979 --> 01:11:01,270 appropriate and and we would you know we would look at 1413 01:11:01,270 --> 01:11:03,260 carefully at that and if 1414 01:11:03,260 --> 01:11:07,220 if conditions couldn't make it appropriate for that area 1415 01:11:07,220 --> 01:11:08,180 then that would 1416 01:11:08,180 --> 01:11:12,789 be something staff would have difficulty recommending for 1417 01:11:12,789 --> 01:11:16,300 approval. Thank you 1418 01:11:16,300 --> 01:11:24,020 that's helpful. Any other questions for staff? Thank You 1419 01:11:24,020 --> 01:11:31,300 Julie. Any other 1420 01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:35,260 discussion on this or someone like to make a motion? 1421 01:11:35,260 --> 01:11:36,899 Commissioner Beck. Thank 1422 01:11:36,899 --> 01:11:41,460 you chair I would like to ask Mr. Hall one more question. 1423 01:11:41,460 --> 01:11:46,220 What is or is there 1424 01:11:46,220 --> 01:11:49,979 a worst-seen scenario for you? Is it just the idea that it 1425 01:11:49,979 --> 01:11:51,659 's a for-profit 1426 01:11:51,659 --> 01:11:55,979 entity that's coming into a neighborhood a residential area 1427 01:11:55,979 --> 01:11:57,140 or are there some 1428 01:11:57,140 --> 01:12:02,100 for-profit entities that you that worry the most that might 1429 01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:02,539 come out of this? 1430 01:12:02,539 --> 01:12:07,130 Well A, I generally don't think we need to completely 1431 01:12:07,130 --> 01:12:09,739 rewrite the code for a 1432 01:12:09,739 --> 01:12:13,420 very small case-by-case problem which could be established 1433 01:12:13,420 --> 01:12:14,340 which could be 1434 01:12:14,340 --> 01:12:18,500 addressed by existing tools namely variants or rezoning. I 1435 01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:19,579 'm not sure how 1436 01:12:19,579 --> 01:12:23,770 wildwood exists it's a lovely place I assume a variance or 1437 01:12:23,770 --> 01:12:24,340 some some other 1438 01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:28,850 provision why not other you know require other businesses 1439 01:12:28,850 --> 01:12:29,699 to go through the same 1440 01:12:29,699 --> 01:12:34,630 process but I suppose my my worst-case scenario I don't 1441 01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:36,220 think it would it's 1442 01:12:36,220 --> 01:12:43,399 it's something along the lines of gradual encroachment over 1443 01:12:43,399 --> 01:12:45,619 time and I it's 1444 01:12:45,619 --> 01:12:52,210 I don't feel like I should have to defend this position in 1445 01:12:52,210 --> 01:12:53,699 an instance 1446 01:12:53,699 --> 01:12:57,569 where we're elect where we can elect to just maintain the 1447 01:12:57,569 --> 01:12:58,739 status quo as it 1448 01:12:58,739 --> 01:13:03,590 applies to residential neighborhoods but then create the 1449 01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:04,739 new as for-profit 1450 01:13:04,739 --> 01:13:09,119 assembly hall definition and allow that to apply to mixed- 1451 01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:10,300 use commercial and 1452 01:13:10,300 --> 01:13:16,579 industrial. It seems like a very technical problem that we 1453 01:13:16,579 --> 01:13:17,859 're addressing 1454 01:13:17,859 --> 01:13:22,880 the tools for which we already have at our disposal and 1455 01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,100 therefore I'm for that 1456 01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:28,880 sort of dorky policy reason against the idea of a broad 1457 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,739 redefinition that would 1458 01:13:30,739 --> 01:13:37,710 suddenly change and affect all neighborhood zones and yeah 1459 01:13:37,710 --> 01:13:38,619 the the 1460 01:13:38,619 --> 01:13:42,470 prospect of gradual encroachment one here one there one 1461 01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:44,100 there and by the way I 1462 01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:47,590 mean if you are comfortable with it now and you believe 1463 01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:49,779 that you would give such 1464 01:13:49,779 --> 01:13:53,800 as a special use application very high scrutiny and really 1465 01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,020 give it a you know 1466 01:13:55,020 --> 01:13:58,500 what's to say of the Commission five years or ten years 1467 01:13:58,500 --> 01:13:59,739 from now or the City 1468 01:13:59,739 --> 01:14:03,340 Council five years or ten years from now I think it's 1469 01:14:03,340 --> 01:14:05,380 better just as least as it 1470 01:14:05,380 --> 01:14:08,899 applies to neighborhood uses to please just continue to 1471 01:14:08,899 --> 01:14:11,100 restrict the way it is 1472 01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:15,420 currently and to if you want add create the new assembly 1473 01:14:15,420 --> 01:14:16,899 for-profit definition 1474 01:14:16,899 --> 01:14:19,760 and apply it to commercial and industrial uses. I think 1475 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:20,500 staff wants to 1476 01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:24,449 add and clarify a little bit more as well. Thank you Chair 1477 01:14:24,449 --> 01:14:26,380 person. Just to 1478 01:14:26,380 --> 01:14:29,600 iterate and to so that we're all on the same page the 1479 01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,180 definition in essence it 1480 01:14:31,180 --> 01:14:35,560 has been broadened to an extent you're absolutely right but 1481 01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:36,699 the definition in 1482 01:14:36,699 --> 01:14:39,869 its the initial definition the definition how it is how it 1483 01:14:39,869 --> 01:14:40,779 reads in the Denton 1484 01:14:40,779 --> 01:14:45,380 Development Code is extremely restrictive. We didn't staff 1485 01:14:45,380 --> 01:14:46,420 when they 1486 01:14:46,420 --> 01:14:50,399 when we evaluated this land use we read the existing land 1487 01:14:50,399 --> 01:14:51,899 use which in a way was 1488 01:14:51,899 --> 01:14:57,140 coined to only accommodate a certain type. That being said 1489 01:14:57,140 --> 01:14:58,340 and doing our 1490 01:14:58,340 --> 01:15:01,340 benchmark studies and evaluating what is going on in other 1491 01:15:01,340 --> 01:15:02,420 communities because 1492 01:15:02,420 --> 01:15:06,640 the number of queries that staff received on these types of 1493 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:07,220 uses of 1494 01:15:07,220 --> 01:15:09,949 facilities because we have to be able to fit a specific 1495 01:15:09,949 --> 01:15:10,979 land use within the 1496 01:15:10,979 --> 01:15:14,369 category and that's why we have the schedule of uses. So 1497 01:15:14,369 --> 01:15:15,460 there's several 1498 01:15:15,460 --> 01:15:18,869 scenarios that are at play. One is when you look at our NR1 1499 01:15:18,869 --> 01:15:20,539 and NR2 zoning 1500 01:15:20,539 --> 01:15:26,489 districts most of them are Randstyle or rural in nature and 1501 01:15:26,489 --> 01:15:28,140 if you recall Miss 1502 01:15:28,140 --> 01:15:31,140 Wyatt just spoke to that that you know someone wants to do 1503 01:15:31,140 --> 01:15:32,180 some type of farming 1504 01:15:32,180 --> 01:15:35,560 activity associated with the banquet hall or a wedding 1505 01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,220 venue it it creates 1506 01:15:37,220 --> 01:15:40,319 there is a market niche for that. The next question we 1507 01:15:40,319 --> 01:15:41,619 asked ourselves are we 1508 01:15:41,619 --> 01:15:45,340 just accommodating a specific user or should we reevaluate 1509 01:15:45,340 --> 01:15:46,659 and understand what 1510 01:15:46,659 --> 01:15:50,229 are the impacts of this use within our community because we 1511 01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:51,300 know as Commissioner 1512 01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:53,380 Hudspeth said that there are scenarios where you know where 1513 01:15:53,380 --> 01:15:54,380 it specifically says 1514 01:15:54,380 --> 01:15:58,340 for non-profit. That being said we went back to our 1515 01:15:58,340 --> 01:15:59,619 benchmarking and when you 1516 01:15:59,619 --> 01:16:02,619 look at larger residential zoning districts which have 1517 01:16:02,619 --> 01:16:03,460 higher density as 1518 01:16:03,460 --> 01:16:07,060 an example most a lot of them not most of them but quite a 1519 01:16:07,060 --> 01:16:07,859 few of them have for 1520 01:16:07,859 --> 01:16:11,170 instance club houses or pools or venues which enables them 1521 01:16:11,170 --> 01:16:12,100 to utilize that 1522 01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:14,640 facility if you look at some residential communities who 1523 01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:15,539 perhaps have a golf 1524 01:16:15,539 --> 01:16:18,560 course associated with them and that clubhouse associated 1525 01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:19,899 with it you can use 1526 01:16:19,899 --> 01:16:23,020 that facility for a venue for example so we use that 1527 01:16:23,020 --> 01:16:24,739 benchmarking study but we 1528 01:16:24,739 --> 01:16:28,829 went another step further and that step was let's not 1529 01:16:28,829 --> 01:16:30,420 permit these uses by right 1530 01:16:30,420 --> 01:16:33,789 let's establish a specific use permit for these because 1531 01:16:33,789 --> 01:16:34,899 that enables us to 1532 01:16:34,899 --> 01:16:39,750 evaluate that specific small use you know as you're calling 1533 01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:41,060 it at a in 1534 01:16:41,060 --> 01:16:44,340 comparison with what is surrounding that what is the 1535 01:16:44,340 --> 01:16:46,020 compatibility of that use 1536 01:16:46,020 --> 01:16:49,520 that SUP will enable us to determine whether in if it 1537 01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,140 indeed is appropriate 1538 01:16:51,140 --> 01:16:55,659 and compatible with the existing land uses surrounding it 1539 01:16:55,659 --> 01:16:57,020 and as a future land 1540 01:16:57,020 --> 01:17:01,609 use and that SUP would have a site plan tied to it it would 1541 01:17:01,609 --> 01:17:02,340 have a landscape 1542 01:17:02,340 --> 01:17:04,840 plan tied to it it would have elevations tied to it because 1543 01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:05,819 more than likely it 1544 01:17:05,819 --> 01:17:10,420 would grow out of that existing facility furthermore the 1545 01:17:10,420 --> 01:17:12,100 specific use permit would 1546 01:17:12,100 --> 01:17:15,420 address noise it would address traffic issues it would 1547 01:17:15,420 --> 01:17:16,699 address the occupancy 1548 01:17:16,699 --> 01:17:19,430 loads and the levels to determine would this actually work 1549 01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:20,939 can we sustain that 1550 01:17:20,939 --> 01:17:24,810 use within the community it's being proposed in that's 1551 01:17:24,810 --> 01:17:26,300 where the SUP comes 1552 01:17:26,300 --> 01:17:30,869 into play unfortunately a variance request wouldn't because 1553 01:17:30,869 --> 01:17:31,659 you can't just 1554 01:17:31,659 --> 01:17:35,439 rezone a tiny piece within the larger area because then it 1555 01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:36,060 leads to 1556 01:17:36,060 --> 01:17:39,229 incompatibility so you know and I know your your thought 1557 01:17:39,229 --> 01:17:40,619 process and your logic 1558 01:17:40,619 --> 01:17:45,039 as it relates to the definition is correct but we went that 1559 01:17:45,039 --> 01:17:46,020 extra mile and 1560 01:17:46,020 --> 01:17:49,210 we evaluated and tried to determine the compatibility of 1561 01:17:49,210 --> 01:17:50,380 and that's why in the 1562 01:17:50,380 --> 01:17:53,380 non-residential districts as you've pointed out it's 1563 01:17:53,380 --> 01:17:54,539 permitted by right as 1564 01:17:54,539 --> 01:17:57,949 well so when it comes to the residential categories of 1565 01:17:57,949 --> 01:18:00,020 districts it gives us a 1566 01:18:00,020 --> 01:18:05,960 keener eye on it we we have an evaluation that has to occur 1567 01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,100 with that 1568 01:18:07,100 --> 01:18:14,250 land use in the instance of an SUP consideration absolutely 1569 01:18:14,250 --> 01:18:14,779 which would 1570 01:18:14,779 --> 01:18:18,699 warrant the public hearing process 1571 01:18:22,100 --> 01:18:25,579 Commissioner Daddowicz thank you staff and I think what I'd 1572 01:18:25,579 --> 01:18:28,260 like you to do is go 1573 01:18:28,260 --> 01:18:32,109 through the SUP approval process because not only does it 1574 01:18:32,109 --> 01:18:33,340 is it aired here 1575 01:18:33,340 --> 01:18:36,930 correct it also is brought to the attention of City Council 1576 01:18:36,930 --> 01:18:37,579 so that 1577 01:18:37,579 --> 01:18:41,560 scrutiny gets very very finite and we all look at it at two 1578 01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,500 levels so if you 1579 01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:47,159 wanted to expand upon that you for more clarification thank 1580 01:18:47,159 --> 01:18:47,699 you Commissioner 1581 01:18:47,699 --> 01:18:52,020 Daddowicz actually you did you handled it well you 1582 01:18:52,020 --> 01:18:53,699 addressed it perfectly the 1583 01:18:53,699 --> 01:18:57,140 specific use permit is a public hearing process that 1584 01:18:57,140 --> 01:18:58,939 involves property owners 1585 01:18:58,939 --> 01:19:02,310 within 200 feet are notified of the request the city of 1586 01:19:02,310 --> 01:19:04,180 Denton actually does 1587 01:19:04,180 --> 01:19:07,180 an extra notification layer and we also send our 1588 01:19:07,180 --> 01:19:09,140 notification within 500 foot 1589 01:19:09,140 --> 01:19:13,500 radius of the request that then is slated for a Planning 1590 01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:14,420 and Zoning 1591 01:19:14,420 --> 01:19:18,020 Commission meeting where the public is welcome to attend 1592 01:19:18,020 --> 01:19:19,060 and voice their 1593 01:19:19,060 --> 01:19:22,720 concerns if any associated with the request at that point 1594 01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:23,899 the Planning and 1595 01:19:23,899 --> 01:19:26,550 Zoning Commission makes a recommendation it can be in favor 1596 01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:27,659 or it can be against 1597 01:19:27,659 --> 01:19:30,670 the request that recommendation is then forwarded on to 1598 01:19:30,670 --> 01:19:32,859 City Council again those 1599 01:19:32,859 --> 01:19:37,300 note notices are published a newspaper notice goes out 1600 01:19:37,300 --> 01:19:38,699 establishing that this 1601 01:19:38,699 --> 01:19:41,699 zoning case is happening the City Council then makes a 1602 01:19:41,699 --> 01:19:42,340 determination based 1603 01:19:42,340 --> 01:19:46,659 on that now what does that land use analysis reflect in the 1604 01:19:46,659 --> 01:19:47,539 report there are 1605 01:19:47,539 --> 01:19:50,090 several criteria in the Denton Development Code that have 1606 01:19:50,090 --> 01:19:50,539 to be looked 1607 01:19:50,539 --> 01:19:55,810 at from traffic compatibility of land use noise lighting 1608 01:19:55,810 --> 01:19:57,260 glare and illumination 1609 01:19:57,260 --> 01:20:01,760 landscaping are they any extra mechanisms that need to be 1610 01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:02,420 attached to 1611 01:20:02,420 --> 01:20:06,550 this to ensure that it's compatible from an aesthetic 1612 01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:09,060 standpoint or from a land 1613 01:20:09,060 --> 01:20:13,149 use compatibility standpoint so there are two levels of 1614 01:20:13,149 --> 01:20:14,539 scrutiny as Commissioner 1615 01:20:14,539 --> 01:20:18,220 Dudowitz stated and once a special use permit is granted it 1616 01:20:18,220 --> 01:20:20,420 is a vested right 1617 01:20:20,420 --> 01:20:23,949 specific use permits can be unlimited or they can be tied 1618 01:20:23,949 --> 01:20:27,220 to a certain lifespan 1619 01:20:32,539 --> 01:20:37,739 well as a Hail Mary maybe including in the definition that 1620 01:20:37,739 --> 01:20:38,819 the specific for 1621 01:20:38,819 --> 01:20:42,479 this particular thing if it's a special use permit for 1622 01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:43,619 these assembly type 1623 01:20:43,619 --> 01:20:47,539 things in zoning residential neighborhoods attaching a 1624 01:20:47,539 --> 01:20:48,300 provision that 1625 01:20:48,300 --> 01:20:51,970 these need to be revisited and reviewed by staff on a 1626 01:20:51,970 --> 01:20:53,739 regular annual or you know 1627 01:20:53,739 --> 01:20:56,739 two-year basis or what have you because as you said 1628 01:20:56,739 --> 01:20:58,380 conditions change maybe it 1629 01:20:58,380 --> 01:21:00,380 gets a little bit bigger the business gets a little bit 1630 01:21:00,380 --> 01:21:01,539 bigger than 1631 01:21:01,539 --> 01:21:05,439 originally conceived maybe it's having a little more impact 1632 01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:06,579 on the neighborhood 1633 01:21:06,579 --> 01:21:10,359 than originally expected so if it does get bigger let's 1634 01:21:10,359 --> 01:21:11,220 assume they want to 1635 01:21:11,220 --> 01:21:13,800 expand they would have to come back in to revise that 1636 01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:14,859 specific use permit 1637 01:21:14,859 --> 01:21:20,260 through the public hearing process again yes and just to 1638 01:21:20,260 --> 01:21:23,699 reiterate the SUP is 1639 01:21:23,699 --> 01:21:28,140 specific to that particular request and it stays there and 1640 01:21:28,140 --> 01:21:29,539 a time frame is set 1641 01:21:29,539 --> 01:21:33,859 it and review as per the recommendation so it's very 1642 01:21:33,859 --> 01:21:34,859 specific it can't be 1643 01:21:34,859 --> 01:21:38,300 broadened anymore can't be used someplace else right it's 1644 01:21:38,300 --> 01:21:38,779 just that 1645 01:21:38,779 --> 01:21:42,199 specific get used and the public has a right to let us know 1646 01:21:42,199 --> 01:21:43,220 what they think 1647 01:21:43,220 --> 01:21:46,380 each and every time that comes up so can the specific use 1648 01:21:46,380 --> 01:21:47,779 permit is it is it run 1649 01:21:47,779 --> 01:21:51,949 with the land or is it unique to the person in other words 1650 01:21:51,949 --> 01:21:52,899 could someone 1651 01:21:52,899 --> 01:21:55,159 establish a business in a neighborhood and then sell it to 1652 01:21:55,159 --> 01:21:55,859 an out-of-town 1653 01:21:55,859 --> 01:21:58,359 business owner and they could just come in and still have 1654 01:21:58,359 --> 01:21:59,180 that special use 1655 01:21:59,180 --> 01:22:03,100 permit right it would depend on the application itself 1656 01:22:03,100 --> 01:22:04,140 sometimes it runs 1657 01:22:04,140 --> 01:22:08,539 with the applicant as well as the land itself so they could 1658 01:22:08,539 --> 01:22:10,460 go both okay it's 1659 01:22:10,460 --> 01:22:13,039 these technical details that I wish neighborhood residents 1660 01:22:13,039 --> 01:22:13,699 wouldn't even 1661 01:22:13,699 --> 01:22:18,779 have to start wouldn't even have to address but I realize 1662 01:22:18,779 --> 01:22:20,539 that y'all feel 1663 01:22:20,539 --> 01:22:25,819 confident in the special use permit process so I thank you 1664 01:22:25,819 --> 01:22:26,899 for your comments 1665 01:22:26,899 --> 01:22:32,800 thank you we did close the public hearing so we're hoping 1666 01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,500 for discussion 1667 01:22:34,500 --> 01:22:38,460 or comment or for a motion Commissioner Netherlands if 1668 01:22:38,460 --> 01:22:39,140 there's no further 1669 01:22:39,140 --> 01:22:43,060 discussion I move to approve is submitted with emphasis on 1670 01:22:43,060 --> 01:22:44,100 specific use 1671 01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:47,899 permit process 1672 01:22:48,140 --> 01:22:54,720 Commissioner Beck I said get the motion any further 1673 01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:58,020 discussion seeing none we 1674 01:22:58,020 --> 01:23:02,869 have a first and a second on the board and I'll call for a 1675 01:23:02,869 --> 01:23:09,739 vote this motion 1676 01:23:09,739 --> 01:23:16,420 carries 6-0 we're now going to move back up to item E and I 1677 01:23:16,420 --> 01:23:17,439 will open the public 1678 01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:21,899 hearing for item E on the mobility plan 1679 01:23:47,439 --> 01:24:03,739 should I begin yes sir okay good evening you know I had 1680 01:24:03,739 --> 01:24:04,899 done a presentation in 1681 01:24:04,899 --> 01:24:08,579 the last public hearing and I will quickly go over that for 1682 01:24:08,579 --> 01:24:09,619 the audience's 1683 01:24:09,619 --> 01:24:13,260 benefit as to what we covered we looked at the why we 1684 01:24:13,260 --> 01:24:16,300 update a mobility plan we 1685 01:24:16,300 --> 01:24:19,619 looked at the travel demand model which is a computer model 1686 01:24:19,619 --> 01:24:20,739 that has been done 1687 01:24:20,739 --> 01:24:26,340 for the Dunn Street Network that is a master planning model 1688 01:24:26,340 --> 01:24:27,859 it provides all of 1689 01:24:27,859 --> 01:24:31,260 the traffic data and it provides what streets are operating 1690 01:24:31,260 --> 01:24:32,300 under different 1691 01:24:32,300 --> 01:24:37,710 level of service it also was used to do the projections for 1692 01:24:37,710 --> 01:24:38,300 the build out 1693 01:24:38,300 --> 01:24:41,750 conditions which will be a fully built out condition based 1694 01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:42,979 on the land use plan 1695 01:24:42,979 --> 01:24:48,779 that we have received and we updated the mobility plan of 1696 01:24:48,779 --> 01:24:50,659 with the new roads 1697 01:24:50,659 --> 01:24:54,779 which were already approved master plan communities which 1698 01:24:54,779 --> 01:24:55,739 is like hills of Dunn 1699 01:24:55,739 --> 01:25:01,819 coal ranch hunter ranch and then the annex areas that city 1700 01:25:01,819 --> 01:25:03,020 has annexed there's 1701 01:25:03,020 --> 01:25:06,079 no road designation there so we added all those into the 1702 01:25:06,079 --> 01:25:08,460 mobility plan and in the 1703 01:25:08,460 --> 01:25:11,060 last public hearing we had some comments we have responded 1704 01:25:11,060 --> 01:25:11,979 to the comments and 1705 01:25:11,979 --> 01:25:15,489 then in particular I wanted to talk about three of those 1706 01:25:15,489 --> 01:25:16,579 which is the post 1707 01:25:16,579 --> 01:25:21,550 work option the Collins Laney Road extensions it is a court 1708 01:25:21,550 --> 01:25:22,899 order that I 1709 01:25:22,899 --> 01:25:26,270 had shared with you in the work session and then the Golden 1710 01:25:26,270 --> 01:25:27,340 Circle Cooper Creek 1711 01:25:27,340 --> 01:25:32,500 Road extension which is the north part of the city there 1712 01:25:41,979 --> 01:25:55,739 so I'm going to share with you you have in your packet a 1713 01:25:55,739 --> 01:25:58,699 map that is a little 1714 01:25:58,699 --> 01:26:04,880 dated now this one is being updated to meet the comments 1715 01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,619 that came to us after 1716 01:26:06,619 --> 01:26:10,020 the last public hearing so this is what we will use as the 1717 01:26:10,020 --> 01:26:11,300 official document and 1718 01:26:11,300 --> 01:26:18,130 talk off of it and I lost that for you so you can see it a 1719 01:26:18,130 --> 01:26:22,140 little better oops 1720 01:26:29,979 --> 01:26:34,829 okay so we're going to talk about the post oak initially 1721 01:26:34,829 --> 01:26:35,899 when we presented it 1722 01:26:35,899 --> 01:26:40,520 we had post oak actually going along the Clear Creek nature 1723 01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,420 preserve and we found 1724 01:26:43,420 --> 01:26:46,420 that that was not the best option because of some 1725 01:26:46,420 --> 01:26:47,739 restrictions that we 1726 01:26:47,739 --> 01:26:52,970 have so we came back and presented to you in the work 1727 01:26:52,970 --> 01:26:54,619 session last week and 1728 01:26:54,619 --> 01:27:00,340 today of course to look at the option A and the option B 1729 01:27:00,340 --> 01:27:02,300 option B does run 1730 01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:07,189 through some existing developed property the option A is in 1731 01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:08,899 more of a green field 1732 01:27:08,899 --> 01:27:12,329 area and as that green field area develops the city will 1733 01:27:12,329 --> 01:27:13,340 have a chance to 1734 01:27:13,340 --> 01:27:16,409 then acquire the right-of-way in those areas so this is a 1735 01:27:16,409 --> 01:27:17,899 better option that is 1736 01:27:17,899 --> 01:27:21,329 a substantial amount of traffic that has to come on post 1737 01:27:21,329 --> 01:27:23,460 oak road to relieve some 1738 01:27:23,460 --> 01:27:27,640 of the traffic that's going to go on Mayhill Road this will 1739 01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:28,699 account for over 1740 01:27:28,699 --> 01:27:34,380 25,000 trips on this option going north in this area so my 1741 01:27:34,380 --> 01:27:35,619 recommendation is to 1742 01:27:35,619 --> 01:27:39,539 use the option A and as we go later on in the 1743 01:27:39,539 --> 01:27:40,420 recommendation we will show you 1744 01:27:40,420 --> 01:27:51,060 that the second item was the Collins Street connection 1745 01:27:51,060 --> 01:27:56,460 which is right in this 1746 01:27:56,460 --> 01:28:00,050 area and what we found there was a entry in the 1747 01:28:00,050 --> 01:28:03,100 Commissioner's Court and a order 1748 01:28:03,100 --> 01:28:10,510 was taken which actually working with the railroad railroad 1749 01:28:10,510 --> 01:28:12,180 itself the 1750 01:28:12,180 --> 01:28:18,539 Collins Road connection here it does not cross the railroad 1751 01:28:18,539 --> 01:28:20,420 anymore it terminates 1752 01:28:20,420 --> 01:28:23,939 south and then it again starts on the north side but it 1753 01:28:23,939 --> 01:28:25,060 does not cross the 1754 01:28:25,060 --> 01:28:28,949 railroad track city had initiated that because they wanted 1755 01:28:28,949 --> 01:28:29,579 to have another 1756 01:28:29,579 --> 01:28:32,630 crossing in different part of the town so they had to then 1757 01:28:32,630 --> 01:28:33,539 do away with one 1758 01:28:33,539 --> 01:28:36,909 crossing city chose to do away with this crossing working 1759 01:28:36,909 --> 01:28:38,100 with the neighborhood 1760 01:28:38,100 --> 01:28:41,449 in at that time in this area so even if you want to we 1761 01:28:41,449 --> 01:28:42,699 cannot go and cross 1762 01:28:42,699 --> 01:28:45,529 Collins Road because we'll have to get permission from the 1763 01:28:45,529 --> 01:28:46,739 railroad which 1764 01:28:46,739 --> 01:28:50,140 doesn't come that easy so we did away with that connection 1765 01:28:50,140 --> 01:28:51,039 and the extension 1766 01:28:51,039 --> 01:28:58,729 of Lakeview and along here and also we have shown extension 1767 01:28:58,729 --> 01:29:00,500 of Laney coming as 1768 01:29:00,500 --> 01:29:03,720 a collector and tying in here with Collins that part has 1769 01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:05,180 been taken out it 1770 01:29:05,180 --> 01:29:08,819 does extend up to the post oak road so we have connectivity 1771 01:29:08,819 --> 01:29:09,899 and a collector 1772 01:29:09,899 --> 01:29:14,750 straight to serve this area so that is a change it is not 1773 01:29:14,750 --> 01:29:15,260 part of the 1774 01:29:15,260 --> 01:29:19,500 recommendation but it is change in the in the overall map 1775 01:29:19,500 --> 01:29:21,340 the third comment was 1776 01:29:21,340 --> 01:29:27,500 on the Golden Circle and the Cooper Creek Road as to their 1777 01:29:27,500 --> 01:29:28,579 existing property 1778 01:29:28,579 --> 01:29:32,689 owners and as we mentioned that property owners gonna be 1779 01:29:32,689 --> 01:29:34,020 there anytime you extend 1780 01:29:34,020 --> 01:29:37,630 a road it will go through somebody's property based on the 1781 01:29:37,630 --> 01:29:39,100 model that we 1782 01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:42,239 have put together for the built-out conditions there is 1783 01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:43,460 more than 6,000 1784 01:29:43,460 --> 01:29:46,720 trips per day on Cooper Creek Road and about a thousand 1785 01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:47,960 trips on the Golden 1786 01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:52,090 Circle whenever they develop this property maybe 20 years 1787 01:29:52,090 --> 01:29:52,859 down the road or 1788 01:29:52,859 --> 01:29:55,859 30 years down the road there will be a need for this 1789 01:29:55,859 --> 01:29:57,939 collector road so as part 1790 01:29:57,939 --> 01:30:03,140 of the overall planning process it is our job to show you 1791 01:30:03,140 --> 01:30:04,960 that that there's a 1792 01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:08,470 need for this road not at this time but down the road when 1793 01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:08,979 the when these 1794 01:30:08,979 --> 01:30:25,930 properties develop that we are need for this road okay so 1795 01:30:25,930 --> 01:30:27,619 with that I'm going to 1796 01:30:27,619 --> 01:30:31,130 move forward to the recommendation part the recommendations 1797 01:30:31,130 --> 01:30:32,460 the staff has is to 1798 01:30:32,460 --> 01:30:36,380 for approval of the travel demand model which is the master 1799 01:30:36,380 --> 01:30:37,439 planning computer 1800 01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:42,340 model which was used for the updates to the mobility plan 1801 01:30:42,340 --> 01:30:43,819 with option a for 1802 01:30:43,819 --> 01:30:46,829 post oak road and the addition of the Hickory Creek arter 1803 01:30:46,829 --> 01:30:47,779 ial option in the 1804 01:30:47,779 --> 01:30:53,460 mobility plan and I'll stand for any questions commissioner 1805 01:30:53,460 --> 01:30:55,100 Brighill thank 1806 01:30:55,100 --> 01:31:01,039 you chair PS can you last week we talked about extending 1807 01:31:01,039 --> 01:31:01,979 the adding the 1808 01:31:01,979 --> 01:31:05,529 Hickory Creek option to the south and it sounded like we 1809 01:31:05,529 --> 01:31:06,819 could kind of go either 1810 01:31:06,819 --> 01:31:11,100 way with that option in the end at the last meeting we 1811 01:31:11,100 --> 01:31:11,899 decided to leave it in 1812 01:31:11,899 --> 01:31:16,229 just to have that option for tonight's session could you 1813 01:31:16,229 --> 01:31:17,560 walk me through the 1814 01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:22,880 arguments for or against the Hickory Creek option in the 1815 01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,539 argument that was 1816 01:31:24,539 --> 01:31:28,539 there is the connectivity of the west side of the town to 1817 01:31:28,539 --> 01:31:29,840 the east side of the 1818 01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:34,699 town in the southern portion of the city so that currently 1819 01:31:34,699 --> 01:31:35,939 we do not have 1820 01:31:35,939 --> 01:31:41,800 this option that takes off from country club road in this 1821 01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:43,220 area right here and 1822 01:31:43,220 --> 01:31:48,949 then extends this road crossing Hickory Creek and ties into 1823 01:31:48,949 --> 01:31:51,659 2181 can be done 1824 01:31:51,659 --> 01:31:54,659 because there is no development there over time if we do 1825 01:31:54,659 --> 01:31:55,539 establish this 1826 01:31:55,539 --> 01:31:59,760 routing then as the property is developed in that area then 1827 01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:00,500 the city 1828 01:32:00,500 --> 01:32:04,140 will have a chance to then acquire right away especially if 1829 01:32:04,140 --> 01:32:05,340 we go with the 1830 01:32:05,340 --> 01:32:09,880 road impact fees then they can be compensated for the right 1831 01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:10,859 away as part 1832 01:32:10,859 --> 01:32:15,710 of the development process so it establishes a routing the 1833 01:32:15,710 --> 01:32:16,619 stock becomes 1834 01:32:16,619 --> 01:32:19,859 aware that there will be a road that will be in this area 1835 01:32:19,859 --> 01:32:21,140 and as the 1836 01:32:21,140 --> 01:32:24,489 development comes in the DRC engineers they look at the 1837 01:32:24,489 --> 01:32:26,500 mobility plan and they'll 1838 01:32:26,500 --> 01:32:31,020 say okay this road is crossing this area so let us see does 1839 01:32:31,020 --> 01:32:31,859 it affect your 1840 01:32:31,859 --> 01:32:35,439 property and if it does then they will work on getting that 1841 01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:36,699 right away exacted 1842 01:32:36,699 --> 01:32:40,569 as part of the development process okay thank you I had 1843 01:32:40,569 --> 01:32:42,180 asked a question to a 1844 01:32:42,180 --> 01:32:45,760 camera if it was last week or the week before about clearly 1845 01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,579 defining bike lane 1846 01:32:47,579 --> 01:32:52,850 in the in the new in the new road requirements did you ever 1847 01:32:52,850 --> 01:32:53,739 come up with a 1848 01:32:53,739 --> 01:32:56,739 definition of what a bike lane is I mean are we just 1849 01:32:56,739 --> 01:32:58,140 talking about and I know 1850 01:32:58,140 --> 01:33:01,159 part of this was context-sensitive but I was just hoping 1851 01:33:01,159 --> 01:33:02,340 for a firmer definition 1852 01:33:02,340 --> 01:33:04,590 are we talking about a wide outside lane are we talking 1853 01:33:04,590 --> 01:33:05,420 about Sharos are we 1854 01:33:05,420 --> 01:33:11,750 talking about a painted stripe or a buffer somehow if you 1855 01:33:11,750 --> 01:33:12,779 recall you know a 1856 01:33:12,779 --> 01:33:18,539 few presentations back when I brought the contact sensitive 1857 01:33:18,539 --> 01:33:20,500 solution information 1858 01:33:20,500 --> 01:33:23,970 to you we had shared some cross-sections which are of 1859 01:33:23,970 --> 01:33:25,659 course not part of the 1860 01:33:25,659 --> 01:33:29,510 transportation criteria manual at this time what we have 1861 01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:30,579 right now in the 1862 01:33:30,579 --> 01:33:35,300 criteria manual are right away dedications for a primary 1863 01:33:35,300 --> 01:33:35,939 arterial hundred 1864 01:33:35,939 --> 01:33:40,649 and 135 feet for a secondary arterial 110 feet for new 1865 01:33:40,649 --> 01:33:42,420 roads and for a 1866 01:33:42,420 --> 01:33:47,380 collector's street 70 feet that much real estate let's call 1867 01:33:47,380 --> 01:33:48,779 it the area within 1868 01:33:48,779 --> 01:33:57,300 135 or 110 or 70 allows for dedicated bike bike lane if 1869 01:33:57,300 --> 01:34:00,340 that is desired as part 1870 01:34:00,340 --> 01:34:03,170 of the planning process and during construction so that 1871 01:34:03,170 --> 01:34:04,180 during construction 1872 01:34:04,180 --> 01:34:07,680 then if it is deemed that yes there's a need for a bike 1873 01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:08,899 lane it can be 1874 01:34:08,899 --> 01:34:12,859 constructed so it can be constructed in the sidewalk area 1875 01:34:12,859 --> 01:34:14,100 so that sidewalk can 1876 01:34:14,100 --> 01:34:17,779 be expanded instead of being a five foot sidewalk in our 1877 01:34:17,779 --> 01:34:19,380 trio it can be a ten foot 1878 01:34:19,380 --> 01:34:23,970 sidewalk that will accommodate bike traffic or if that is 1879 01:34:23,970 --> 01:34:25,619 not the desire 1880 01:34:25,619 --> 01:34:29,550 then there's enough room in the pavement area because the 1881 01:34:29,550 --> 01:34:30,699 outside lane and the 1882 01:34:30,699 --> 01:34:34,850 arterial is currently 18 feet so by striping you know a 1883 01:34:34,850 --> 01:34:36,500 double stripe and 1884 01:34:36,500 --> 01:34:40,529 that would allow for a actual bike bike lane in that area 1885 01:34:40,529 --> 01:34:41,399 so so I want to be clear 1886 01:34:41,399 --> 01:34:47,340 then so this new mobility plan update by default will any 1887 01:34:47,340 --> 01:34:48,539 future road 1888 01:34:48,539 --> 01:34:52,500 construction will by default be required to have by some 1889 01:34:52,500 --> 01:34:53,619 sort of bike 1890 01:34:53,619 --> 01:34:58,029 accommodation I've seen the sidewalks in your in your mock- 1891 01:34:58,029 --> 01:34:59,819 ups but we didn't 1892 01:34:59,819 --> 01:35:02,090 always I didn't again I didn't always see those bike lanes 1893 01:35:02,090 --> 01:35:02,779 so I just want to 1894 01:35:02,779 --> 01:35:06,520 be clear any any future road construction will include some 1895 01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:06,939 sort of 1896 01:35:06,939 --> 01:35:10,859 bike amenity well you know our city has a bike plan right 1897 01:35:10,859 --> 01:35:12,220 now so wherever the 1898 01:35:12,220 --> 01:35:15,810 bike plan is if there's a road constructed then the 1899 01:35:15,810 --> 01:35:17,180 engineers need to 1900 01:35:17,180 --> 01:35:20,439 accommodate the bike lane in that right but as I am pardon 1901 01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:21,380 my inertia but as I 1902 01:35:21,380 --> 01:35:24,529 said a couple weeks ago the bike plan currently only 1903 01:35:24,529 --> 01:35:26,020 applies to the current 1904 01:35:26,020 --> 01:35:29,170 streets that we have the mobility plan is looking at future 1905 01:35:29,170 --> 01:35:30,180 streets and I just 1906 01:35:30,180 --> 01:35:32,220 want to make sure that in 20 years we're not stuck with the 1907 01:35:32,220 --> 01:35:32,939 same problem that we 1908 01:35:32,939 --> 01:35:36,369 have now or we're trying to retrofit bike amenities when we 1909 01:35:36,369 --> 01:35:37,340 could have been 1910 01:35:37,340 --> 01:35:40,340 building for that all along yeah you know that is not 1911 01:35:40,340 --> 01:35:41,180 currently in the 1912 01:35:41,180 --> 01:35:44,399 criteria manual you I would suggest that if you would like 1913 01:35:44,399 --> 01:35:45,539 to make that as part 1914 01:35:45,539 --> 01:35:49,329 of a recommendation to the council so that it can be you 1915 01:35:49,329 --> 01:35:50,739 know heard there in 1916 01:35:50,739 --> 01:35:54,420 the council public hearing also I'll be happy to take it 1917 01:35:54,420 --> 01:35:55,539 okay so that that is a 1918 01:35:55,539 --> 01:35:57,819 motion we could make tonight is to of course you can add 1919 01:35:57,819 --> 01:35:58,659 that to the motion 1920 01:35:58,659 --> 01:36:17,210 okay thank you thank you and this is a public hearing got a 1921 01:36:17,210 --> 01:36:18,260 number of cards this 1922 01:36:18,260 --> 01:36:23,659 evening I'm gonna start with the first card that is not 1923 01:36:23,659 --> 01:36:25,220 marked whether they 1924 01:36:25,220 --> 01:36:29,090 are in support or not support where they wish to speak dr. 1925 01:36:29,090 --> 01:36:31,460 Charles Browning or 1926 01:36:31,460 --> 01:36:37,619 Browning as you come forward please state your name and 1927 01:36:37,619 --> 01:36:39,020 address for the 1928 01:36:39,020 --> 01:36:42,470 record and you'll have three minutes thank you my name is 1929 01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:43,460 Charles Browning I 1930 01:36:43,460 --> 01:36:49,170 live at 617 Emory in Denton Texas 76201 I'm in support of 1931 01:36:49,170 --> 01:36:50,100 adding an amendment 1932 01:36:50,100 --> 01:36:53,539 or some type of addition to the mobility plan that would 1933 01:36:53,539 --> 01:36:54,939 require all new streets 1934 01:36:54,939 --> 01:36:58,489 to be fitted with bike lanes and I would like to see an 1935 01:36:58,489 --> 01:37:00,060 increase on the speed of 1936 01:37:00,060 --> 01:37:02,920 the current bike plan we already have I haven't seen a 1937 01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:04,539 whole lot of new bike 1938 01:37:04,539 --> 01:37:08,439 lanes or say repairs to bike lanes that need to be made on 1939 01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:10,939 Hickory the Hickory 1940 01:37:10,939 --> 01:37:15,229 lane bike lane at this time is referred to many of my 1941 01:37:15,229 --> 01:37:16,859 friends as a death trap 1942 01:37:16,859 --> 01:37:22,260 there's often glass I've broken had tires flattened there I 1943 01:37:22,260 --> 01:37:24,020 commute to UNT 1944 01:37:24,020 --> 01:37:29,149 every day where I work probably commute probably 10 miles 1945 01:37:29,149 --> 01:37:30,859 every day on average 1946 01:37:30,859 --> 01:37:34,510 around didn't to take my daughter to school who also comm 1947 01:37:34,510 --> 01:37:35,340 utes to Calhoun 1948 01:37:35,340 --> 01:37:42,359 middle school I commute to get my groceries and I do this 1949 01:37:42,359 --> 01:37:43,899 by choice it has 1950 01:37:43,899 --> 01:37:46,760 a lot of benefits old personally and I think the city of 1951 01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:47,699 Denton would also 1952 01:37:47,699 --> 01:37:53,659 benefit for improving infrastructure for cyclists the cycl 1953 01:37:53,659 --> 01:37:55,739 ists put less wear and 1954 01:37:55,739 --> 01:37:59,779 tear on the road which causes allows you know tax mayors to 1955 01:37:59,779 --> 01:38:01,380 have some relief from 1956 01:38:01,380 --> 01:38:07,739 fixing those roads so the current mobility or the mobility 1957 01:38:07,739 --> 01:38:08,300 plan y'all are 1958 01:38:08,300 --> 01:38:11,420 considering I think if you make it more accommodating for 1959 01:38:11,420 --> 01:38:13,100 cyclists more people 1960 01:38:13,100 --> 01:38:20,060 who would put less impact on our environment promote clean 1961 01:38:20,060 --> 01:38:21,060 air and a 1962 01:38:21,060 --> 01:38:25,100 local healthy population would do that by by cycling on 1963 01:38:25,100 --> 01:38:26,619 trips that are less 1964 01:38:26,619 --> 01:38:29,760 than a mile or two miles there's not really any reason 1965 01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:31,300 other than you have a 1966 01:38:31,300 --> 01:38:33,560 small child or it's raining if you're a healthy fit 1967 01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:34,819 individual with a bicycle 1968 01:38:34,819 --> 01:38:39,300 and you feel it's safe I think that we should promote these 1969 01:38:39,300 --> 01:38:41,060 activities not only 1970 01:38:41,060 --> 01:38:43,369 for personal health but also for the health of our 1971 01:38:43,369 --> 01:38:45,300 community and that's all I 1972 01:38:45,300 --> 01:38:53,920 have to say but I'll be willing to take any questions thank 1973 01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,539 you 1974 01:39:11,060 --> 01:39:40,979 a little bit can you turn your mic on please sorry 1975 01:39:40,979 --> 01:39:45,180 hope you got that 1976 01:39:51,220 --> 01:39:59,949 the next card I have is Clay Thurmond and he does does wish 1977 01:39:59,949 --> 01:40:06,260 to speak my name 1978 01:40:06,260 --> 01:40:14,020 is Clay Thurmond my address is 1524 Snyder 76209 and I am a 1979 01:40:14,020 --> 01:40:15,939 avid cyclist I 1980 01:40:15,939 --> 01:40:22,069 cycle in the city out in the roads I love Denton because it 1981 01:40:22,069 --> 01:40:23,100 's a very livable 1982 01:40:23,100 --> 01:40:26,979 city and I would urge you to include that amendment that's 1983 01:40:26,979 --> 01:40:27,819 been suggested to 1984 01:40:27,819 --> 01:40:33,539 require cycling access on new mobility plans it has many 1985 01:40:33,539 --> 01:40:35,180 many benefits to us 1986 01:40:35,180 --> 01:40:44,819 sustainability green is a very powerful argument community 1987 01:40:44,819 --> 01:40:47,140 is one of the big 1988 01:40:47,140 --> 01:40:50,859 things that I get out of cycling having reengaged the 1989 01:40:50,859 --> 01:40:54,619 cycling community I've 1990 01:40:54,619 --> 01:40:59,079 expanded my own social contacts as I cycle around town I 1991 01:40:59,079 --> 01:41:00,659 stop I talk to 1992 01:41:00,659 --> 01:41:04,399 people at their houses their yards and I've engaged with 1993 01:41:04,399 --> 01:41:05,939 the community so much 1994 01:41:05,939 --> 01:41:09,220 more we can't do that when we're zipping around in cars 1995 01:41:09,220 --> 01:41:10,939 pedestrians cyclists 1996 01:41:10,939 --> 01:41:18,119 will do that I'd like to see the cycling infrastructure 1997 01:41:18,119 --> 01:41:19,260 improved in this town 1998 01:41:19,260 --> 01:41:24,699 like they've said hickory is horrible Hinkle is horrible 1999 01:41:24,699 --> 01:41:25,899 there's many of them 2000 01:41:25,899 --> 01:41:30,869 and many of them are disjointed not really connecting Dent 2001 01:41:30,869 --> 01:41:32,140 on is an eminently 2002 01:41:32,140 --> 01:41:37,670 livable place and from where I live just southeast of the 2003 01:41:37,670 --> 01:41:40,420 TW golf course I can be 2004 01:41:40,420 --> 01:41:43,510 almost anywhere in the city inside of 15 minutes I can be 2005 01:41:43,510 --> 01:41:44,500 out in the country 2006 01:41:44,500 --> 01:41:49,550 there's very few places this size that you could say that 2007 01:41:49,550 --> 01:41:50,899 for and I think 2008 01:41:50,899 --> 01:41:56,979 that's one of the draws for us to bring in younger workers 2009 01:41:56,979 --> 01:41:58,659 families and that's 2010 01:41:58,659 --> 01:42:01,659 another thing I want to see is cycling infrastructure 2011 01:42:01,659 --> 01:42:02,899 improved so that that 2012 01:42:02,899 --> 01:42:06,050 community can be developed I want to see children be able 2013 01:42:06,050 --> 01:42:06,939 to ride down the 2014 01:42:06,939 --> 01:42:09,949 streets I really like it when I go downtown and I see 2015 01:42:09,949 --> 01:42:11,420 father with his 2016 01:42:11,420 --> 01:42:16,710 toddler on her trike going down the street and I just like 2017 01:42:16,710 --> 01:42:17,500 to see us become 2018 01:42:17,500 --> 01:42:23,399 a much more livable community we can do it thank you thank 2019 01:42:23,399 --> 01:42:24,579 you thank you sir I 2020 01:42:24,579 --> 01:42:30,779 have a question commissioner Brickle thank you chair so I 2021 01:42:30,779 --> 01:42:32,060 generally live kind 2022 01:42:32,060 --> 01:42:34,260 of near your neighborhood and I can I can barely drive from 2023 01:42:34,260 --> 01:42:35,140 one end of town in 2024 01:42:35,140 --> 01:42:38,260 15 minutes to the other end so I'm just kind of curious as 2025 01:42:38,260 --> 01:42:39,500 a cyclist how is 2026 01:42:39,500 --> 01:42:45,489 traffic for you how's the congestion I pick my routes very 2027 01:42:45,489 --> 01:42:47,699 carefully there are 2028 01:42:47,699 --> 01:42:51,930 some streets I frequently go shopping I do a lot of grocery 2029 01:42:51,930 --> 01:42:53,060 shopping I've 2030 01:42:53,060 --> 01:42:58,470 probably eliminated 50% of my car travel but I go shopping 2031 01:42:58,470 --> 01:42:59,260 down around the loop 2032 01:42:59,260 --> 01:43:05,880 around the mall I will cycle to my ophthalmologist over off 2033 01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:06,659 Bonnie Bray I 2034 01:43:06,659 --> 01:43:10,829 can get almost everywhere and it's just mainly picking my 2035 01:43:10,829 --> 01:43:12,260 routes very carefully 2036 01:43:12,260 --> 01:43:17,140 and that for its safety are you talking my question I was 2037 01:43:17,140 --> 01:43:18,100 trying to it was a 2038 01:43:18,100 --> 01:43:20,250 little tongue-in-cheek there like how is how's the 2039 01:43:20,250 --> 01:43:21,460 congestion for you out there 2040 01:43:21,460 --> 01:43:23,189 on the roads when you're riding your bike and the rest of 2041 01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:23,699 us are stuck in 2042 01:43:23,699 --> 01:43:26,789 cars but it brings me to my next question is how since you 2043 01:43:26,789 --> 01:43:27,539 do cycle 2044 01:43:27,539 --> 01:43:31,180 everywhere do you pick your routes carefully because of 2045 01:43:31,180 --> 01:43:32,539 traffic flows on 2046 01:43:32,539 --> 01:43:35,319 on streets do you do you typically ride on streets that are 2047 01:43:35,319 --> 01:43:36,180 more bike friendly 2048 01:43:36,180 --> 01:43:38,909 than others or do you just take the straightest possible 2049 01:43:38,909 --> 01:43:40,579 route I write on 2050 01:43:40,579 --> 01:43:45,060 the arterials I ride on oak I ride on hickory Crescent is 2051 01:43:45,060 --> 01:43:46,180 one of my favorite 2052 01:43:46,180 --> 01:43:52,989 streets I ride on dust almost everything except Woodrow and 2053 01:43:52,989 --> 01:43:56,060 Teasley which I would 2054 01:43:56,060 --> 01:44:01,460 love to be able to get across 35 that's one of the big 2055 01:44:01,460 --> 01:44:02,699 barriers we have in 2056 01:44:02,699 --> 01:44:05,789 trying to promote cycling throughout the city is the 2057 01:44:05,789 --> 01:44:07,380 southern and northern halves 2058 01:44:07,380 --> 01:44:09,539 can't really get I agree and there is something in the bike 2059 01:44:09,539 --> 01:44:10,260 plan to where 2060 01:44:10,260 --> 01:44:12,800 there's supposed to be some sort of underpass to connect to 2061 01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:13,500 the south side 2062 01:44:13,500 --> 01:44:16,819 of the city but it's it's many years away unfortunately but 2063 01:44:16,819 --> 01:44:17,859 I agree with you 2064 01:44:17,859 --> 01:44:21,260 on that absolutely yeah but mostly it's picking it for 2065 01:44:21,260 --> 01:44:24,659 traffic and safety thank 2066 01:44:24,659 --> 01:44:27,880 you and I'd like to say that the Denton drivers I find to 2067 01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:29,979 be fairly used to 2068 01:44:29,979 --> 01:44:35,170 cyclists they see us a lot because the university there are 2069 01:44:35,170 --> 01:44:35,739 a lot of people 2070 01:44:35,739 --> 01:44:40,069 that can afford cars that are you see them bicycling every 2071 01:44:40,069 --> 01:44:41,619 day to work so I 2072 01:44:41,619 --> 01:44:45,710 think the awareness is there it can always be improved and 2073 01:44:45,710 --> 01:44:46,859 the more 2074 01:44:46,859 --> 01:44:50,779 infrastructure you build the more it's going to be used 2075 01:44:50,779 --> 01:44:55,260 thank you thank you the 2076 01:44:55,260 --> 01:45:05,000 next card I have is Adam Briggle following Adam will be 2077 01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,300 looks like Kevin 2078 01:45:07,300 --> 01:45:10,300 Beardshaw 2079 01:45:13,779 --> 01:45:16,300 hi thank you for having my name is Adam Briggle 1315 2080 01:45:16,300 --> 01:45:18,899 Dartmouth Place in Denton 2081 01:45:18,899 --> 01:45:23,840 I'm here at the request of one of the planning and zoning 2082 01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:25,779 commissioners to just 2083 01:45:25,779 --> 01:45:32,250 tell a story every so we live just north of University and 2084 01:45:32,250 --> 01:45:33,859 every morning I get up 2085 01:45:33,859 --> 01:45:37,899 with my two children mg my son seven and Lulu who's three 2086 01:45:37,899 --> 01:45:39,939 and we have bought a 2087 01:45:39,939 --> 01:45:43,380 trailer for Lulu for my bicycle and she goes to school at 2088 01:45:43,380 --> 01:45:44,779 UNT because she's that 2089 01:45:44,779 --> 01:45:47,890 advanced and so she goes with me to UNT every day it's 2090 01:45:47,890 --> 01:45:49,300 about a mile and a half 2091 01:45:49,300 --> 01:45:54,000 mg will ride the first way to Newton razor on the pedal of 2092 01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:55,180 my bicycle so I 2093 01:45:55,180 --> 01:45:57,739 actually just be pushing the bike with mg on the pedal and 2094 01:45:57,739 --> 01:45:58,659 Lulu in the back in 2095 01:45:58,659 --> 01:46:04,789 the trailer in the first five blocks there's no sidewalk at 2096 01:46:04,789 --> 01:46:05,899 all I'm sure that 2097 01:46:05,899 --> 01:46:08,449 wasn't any of you who planned those it was back in the 60s 2098 01:46:08,449 --> 01:46:09,380 and you're gonna do 2099 01:46:09,380 --> 01:46:11,770 better at that now because that would be nice when you're 2100 01:46:11,770 --> 01:46:12,979 going down Amherst and 2101 01:46:12,979 --> 01:46:15,840 there's cars coming right at you and you're trying to 2102 01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:17,460 shuttle two kids it 2103 01:46:17,460 --> 01:46:19,899 gets a little bit scary so keep that in mind that there are 2104 01:46:19,899 --> 01:46:20,939 people who want to 2105 01:46:20,939 --> 01:46:23,800 commute this way and I've heard from a lot of folks that 2106 01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:24,939 they sure would like 2107 01:46:24,939 --> 01:46:27,329 to do that too but it's just sort of prohibitive given the 2108 01:46:27,329 --> 01:46:28,100 infrastructure 2109 01:46:28,100 --> 01:46:31,100 they have to deal with on the way to work we drop mg off at 2110 01:46:31,100 --> 01:46:32,420 Newton razor and 2111 01:46:32,420 --> 01:46:36,199 then I get on the bike and I ride with Lulu and we could go 2112 01:46:36,199 --> 01:46:37,500 down Malone which I 2113 01:46:37,500 --> 01:46:40,500 would do if I was on my own but there's really no 2114 01:46:40,500 --> 01:46:41,859 indication that bicyclists 2115 01:46:41,859 --> 01:46:44,689 really belong on Malone there's no charoes or bike lanes or 2116 01:46:44,689 --> 01:46:45,420 anything it's a 2117 01:46:45,420 --> 01:46:48,420 little bit quick to take a little one in a trailer so we 2118 01:46:48,420 --> 01:46:50,300 take gober which is nice 2119 01:46:50,300 --> 01:46:54,460 it's just a little bit out of the way and then we go up we 2120 01:46:54,460 --> 01:46:55,659 hit scripture and 2121 01:46:55,659 --> 01:46:58,970 we come up and then we go there's a nice share on as we 2122 01:46:58,970 --> 01:47:00,539 come Jago or is that Jago 2123 01:47:00,539 --> 01:47:04,020 there at that point and then campus is really well done I 2124 01:47:04,020 --> 01:47:06,079 think for bicycles so 2125 01:47:06,079 --> 01:47:09,920 I'm just want to share that story that there are folks who 2126 01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:11,739 I think want to 2127 01:47:11,739 --> 01:47:14,420 find options for all the reasons all the other people have 2128 01:47:14,420 --> 01:47:15,699 been saying to bicycle 2129 01:47:15,699 --> 01:47:18,560 and the decisions you're making about what the 2130 01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:20,060 infrastructure looks like will 2131 01:47:20,060 --> 01:47:22,630 determine if they can do that especially if they can do 2132 01:47:22,630 --> 01:47:24,180 that safely and I feel 2133 01:47:24,180 --> 01:47:27,529 like we can we can do it but it's a bit dicey especially 2134 01:47:27,529 --> 01:47:28,939 crossing university 2135 01:47:28,939 --> 01:47:32,680 which when it's done is going to be I think really scary 2136 01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:33,979 and might be a point 2137 01:47:33,979 --> 01:47:38,100 to rethink six lanes going really fast right by the school 2138 01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:40,340 so there's that last 2139 01:47:40,340 --> 01:47:43,869 thing I'll mention because I can't resist a little 2140 01:47:43,869 --> 01:47:45,619 philosophy that so that's 2141 01:47:45,619 --> 01:47:48,119 the story I want to make sure I got the story out but one 2142 01:47:48,119 --> 01:47:48,739 of my favorite 2143 01:47:48,739 --> 01:47:51,460 philosophers is Yvonne Illich and he talks about a concept 2144 01:47:51,460 --> 01:47:52,100 of a radical 2145 01:47:52,100 --> 01:47:56,060 monopoly which is not like Ford or Chevy exercising a 2146 01:47:56,060 --> 01:47:58,020 monopoly but one particular 2147 01:47:58,020 --> 01:48:01,609 transportation type in this case cars and I think cars too 2148 01:48:01,609 --> 01:48:02,659 much exercise a 2149 01:48:02,659 --> 01:48:05,060 radical monopoly on our roads and I know you're all trying 2150 01:48:05,060 --> 01:48:06,140 to fix it but what 2151 01:48:06,140 --> 01:48:09,579 that does is essentially put it puts the thumb on the scale 2152 01:48:09,579 --> 01:48:10,859 for a certain kind of 2153 01:48:10,859 --> 01:48:13,289 lifestyle which is a car centric lifestyle so this ideal 2154 01:48:13,289 --> 01:48:14,100 that government 2155 01:48:14,100 --> 01:48:16,340 is somehow neutral with respect to the way people want to 2156 01:48:16,340 --> 01:48:18,100 live is not true so 2157 01:48:18,100 --> 01:48:20,930 you're not neutral to begin with so let's take 2158 01:48:20,930 --> 01:48:21,899 consideration of a multiple 2159 01:48:21,899 --> 01:48:27,029 plants and multiple lifestyles so thanks got a question for 2160 01:48:27,029 --> 01:48:27,220 you 2161 01:48:27,220 --> 01:48:30,619 Commissioner Rossell Adam I appreciate you being here this 2162 01:48:30,619 --> 01:48:32,380 evening we speak to 2163 01:48:32,380 --> 01:48:36,119 the scripture part of the story because that road 2164 01:48:36,119 --> 01:48:38,699 particularly seems hazardous 2165 01:48:38,699 --> 01:48:42,609 and I would love your opinion on what the solution might be 2166 01:48:42,609 --> 01:48:43,819 for scripture in 2167 01:48:43,819 --> 01:48:47,850 terms of a sidewalk that's desperately needed there or like 2168 01:48:47,850 --> 01:48:49,779 a share oh it seems 2169 01:48:49,779 --> 01:48:51,760 like you need to accommodate pedestrians as well and that I 2170 01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:52,500 'd love your opinion 2171 01:48:52,500 --> 01:48:55,720 is since you see that daily I would love to see a sidewalk 2172 01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:56,899 on scripture that is a 2173 01:48:56,899 --> 01:49:00,060 tough part we only have one block on it thankfully but if 2174 01:49:00,060 --> 01:49:01,020 if you're trying to 2175 01:49:01,020 --> 01:49:06,300 commute down scripture I think well either one of those 2176 01:49:06,300 --> 01:49:07,340 could work I think a 2177 01:49:07,340 --> 01:49:09,829 sidewalk would be most effective my sense of that road when 2178 01:49:09,829 --> 01:49:10,579 I'm on a bike is 2179 01:49:10,579 --> 01:49:14,319 it kind of narrow and people are as it is are kind of kind 2180 01:49:14,319 --> 01:49:15,300 of all over the place 2181 01:49:15,300 --> 01:49:20,260 on that road so that definitely needs to be addressed I 2182 01:49:20,260 --> 01:49:21,460 think a sidewalk would be 2183 01:49:21,460 --> 01:49:25,010 would be great on scripture yeah thank you one more 2184 01:49:25,010 --> 01:49:25,619 question for you 2185 01:49:25,619 --> 01:49:30,869 Commissioner Hudson how you doing mr. Bruegel hey question 2186 01:49:30,869 --> 01:49:33,380 so what is the as I 2187 01:49:33,380 --> 01:49:37,300 understand it so we have two opposite ends so there's no 2188 01:49:37,300 --> 01:49:38,859 mandatory bike lanes 2189 01:49:38,859 --> 01:49:43,760 then there's all mandatory bike lanes what do you see in 2190 01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:45,220 the middle I mean what 2191 01:49:45,220 --> 01:49:52,579 is that what is a realistic vision for that in your opinion 2192 01:49:52,579 --> 01:49:54,220 so much of this is 2193 01:49:54,220 --> 01:49:57,699 cultural and not infrastructural you know it depends 2194 01:49:57,699 --> 01:49:58,659 whether my commute goes 2195 01:49:58,659 --> 01:50:01,520 well or not is how well the drivers treat me you know I can 2196 01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:02,260 have a really 2197 01:50:02,260 --> 01:50:04,829 grumpy morning when somebody figures that they can just 2198 01:50:04,829 --> 01:50:05,699 pull right up to me 2199 01:50:05,699 --> 01:50:08,529 like I'm not really there on the road so I know that's not 2200 01:50:08,529 --> 01:50:09,500 your question but I 2201 01:50:09,500 --> 01:50:12,680 think that's another whole dimension of this is to think 2202 01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:13,579 about how do we 2203 01:50:13,579 --> 01:50:17,560 accommodate that and so you're right I've seen the spectrum 2204 01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:18,060 you're talking 2205 01:50:18,060 --> 01:50:21,300 about I see all of it if you had to pick something in the 2206 01:50:21,300 --> 01:50:22,260 middle I really like 2207 01:50:22,260 --> 01:50:25,880 what had been recently redone on that strip of Jago where 2208 01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:26,779 you have the 2209 01:50:26,779 --> 01:50:30,500 Sharos and I think it works there really well because the 2210 01:50:30,500 --> 01:50:31,659 road is wide enough so 2211 01:50:31,659 --> 01:50:34,310 when I'm biking even with the trailer behind me and even if 2212 01:50:34,310 --> 01:50:35,020 there's a car 2213 01:50:35,020 --> 01:50:38,899 parked there it feels safe to be going down the middle of 2214 01:50:38,899 --> 01:50:39,420 the road and if 2215 01:50:39,420 --> 01:50:41,010 somebody wants to pass me as long as there's not a car 2216 01:50:41,010 --> 01:50:41,779 coming the other way 2217 01:50:41,779 --> 01:50:44,829 they can pass me and there's plenty of room there's not a 2218 01:50:44,829 --> 01:50:46,220 sense of encroachment 2219 01:50:46,220 --> 01:50:49,630 there so where I mean where Sharos can work I think again 2220 01:50:49,630 --> 01:50:50,539 back to your question 2221 01:50:50,539 --> 01:50:52,670 scripture I'm not sure because it it feels a little more cr 2222 01:50:52,670 --> 01:50:53,300 amped but if you 2223 01:50:53,300 --> 01:50:57,149 got a little bit more room my experiences those can work 2224 01:50:57,149 --> 01:50:57,619 those can 2225 01:50:57,619 --> 01:50:59,899 work well I think ideally though what's campus is so great 2226 01:50:59,899 --> 01:51:00,619 when you go down 2227 01:51:00,619 --> 01:51:03,619 Highland because they built dedicated bike lanes on bike 2228 01:51:03,619 --> 01:51:04,579 lanes on both sides 2229 01:51:04,579 --> 01:51:07,729 but I realize that's not an option in every case but that's 2230 01:51:07,729 --> 01:51:08,739 that's the ideal 2231 01:51:08,739 --> 01:51:14,739 does it does it help a little bit it does if I may you bet 2232 01:51:14,739 --> 01:51:17,220 thank you so but 2233 01:51:17,220 --> 01:51:22,729 really if I were to give direction and I say hey in a 2234 01:51:22,729 --> 01:51:25,979 perfect world is it is it a 2235 01:51:25,979 --> 01:51:28,800 percentage of streets how do you map that out right so that 2236 01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:29,659 I if I can't say 2237 01:51:29,659 --> 01:51:35,520 100% of the streets should have bike Sharos or bike lanes 2238 01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:36,380 or some kind of 2239 01:51:36,380 --> 01:51:41,060 dedication for bikes if I can't get there what is a good 2240 01:51:41,060 --> 01:51:42,699 mandate to say in 2241 01:51:42,699 --> 01:51:48,970 your opinion to say at least these main connector streets 2242 01:51:48,970 --> 01:51:50,859 should have bike 2243 01:51:50,859 --> 01:51:54,060 dedicated lanes or I don't know if I'm asking a good 2244 01:51:54,060 --> 01:51:55,500 question but I know what 2245 01:51:55,500 --> 01:51:58,729 I'm trying to say I would shoot for a hundred percent I 2246 01:51:58,729 --> 01:51:59,859 mean keep that as a 2247 01:51:59,859 --> 01:52:02,689 goal okay then I'm sure you all know better than me how to 2248 01:52:02,689 --> 01:52:03,300 prioritize in 2249 01:52:03,300 --> 01:52:06,159 terms of ridership and all that stuff which roads to go 2250 01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:07,699 first but I think 2251 01:52:07,699 --> 01:52:11,109 eventually if you want true parity in terms of how people 2252 01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:12,260 choose to commute 2253 01:52:12,260 --> 01:52:15,579 and not have the government essentially deciding for you or 2254 01:52:15,579 --> 01:52:16,380 dictating that one 2255 01:52:16,380 --> 01:52:18,899 way is preferable over another then you need to eventually 2256 01:52:18,899 --> 01:52:19,500 get to a hundred 2257 01:52:19,500 --> 01:52:21,939 percent and what you all are doing I take it as sort of 2258 01:52:21,939 --> 01:52:22,939 paying for the sins 2259 01:52:22,939 --> 01:52:25,939 of previous commissioners who didn't think about this stuff 2260 01:52:25,939 --> 01:52:27,220 and so it's going 2261 01:52:27,220 --> 01:52:31,500 to take a while but I wouldn't let go of that goal okay 2262 01:52:31,500 --> 01:52:35,140 thank you yeah thank you 2263 01:52:35,140 --> 01:52:39,100 to me one other question Commissioner Bruegel thank you 2264 01:52:39,100 --> 01:52:40,060 chair actually was 2265 01:52:40,060 --> 01:52:42,890 actually more a question for Commissioner Commissioner 2266 01:52:42,890 --> 01:52:43,420 Hudson I know 2267 01:52:43,420 --> 01:52:45,220 we're not quite to the point where we're going to be 2268 01:52:45,220 --> 01:52:46,060 talking where we're 2269 01:52:46,060 --> 01:52:49,409 discussing yet but what what what is keeping us from a 2270 01:52:49,409 --> 01:52:50,819 hundred percent is it 2271 01:52:50,819 --> 01:52:58,350 some cultural notion that okay you know I mean what is what 2272 01:52:58,350 --> 01:52:58,819 is keeping us from 2273 01:52:58,819 --> 01:53:01,220 getting to a hundred percent isn't that our role as as as 2274 01:53:01,220 --> 01:53:02,220 planning and zoning 2275 01:53:02,220 --> 01:53:03,989 commissioners and we're not we're not to that point yet we 2276 01:53:03,989 --> 01:53:04,899 're having discussion 2277 01:53:04,899 --> 01:53:07,119 yet but I just wanted to just kind of maybe plant that seed 2278 01:53:07,119 --> 01:53:08,539 as work as we're 2279 01:53:08,539 --> 01:53:11,399 listening to to the folks here tonight that what what is 2280 01:53:11,399 --> 01:53:12,220 keeping us from 2281 01:53:12,220 --> 01:53:15,590 getting to a hundred percent we'll continue that as we open 2282 01:53:15,590 --> 01:53:16,260 for discussion 2283 01:53:16,260 --> 01:53:21,819 let's continue with our public hearing next up again is 2284 01:53:21,819 --> 01:53:25,420 Kevin Beecher and then 2285 01:53:25,420 --> 01:53:33,539 after that yes Collins road yes sir and after that Michael 2286 01:53:33,539 --> 01:53:36,020 Hinnan 2287 01:53:39,220 --> 01:53:45,350 Kevin Bradshaw 2052 Collins Road okay now I hope I'm not 2288 01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:48,380 shooting in the dark 2289 01:53:48,380 --> 01:53:53,789 here I just got called that the city has a plan to run a 2290 01:53:53,789 --> 01:53:56,539 six-lane highway through 2291 01:53:56,539 --> 01:54:01,939 my front yard now I don't know for sure I didn't see the 2292 01:54:01,939 --> 01:54:04,260 earlier speaker but I 2293 01:54:04,260 --> 01:54:07,819 or else I'd have had my 40 neighbors with their pitchforks 2294 01:54:07,819 --> 01:54:08,739 and torches up 2295 01:54:08,739 --> 01:54:13,350 here with me but we've already made our sacrifice to the 2296 01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:14,140 city and I don't know 2297 01:54:14,140 --> 01:54:20,239 if there's any truth to this yet but we've already made our 2298 01:54:20,239 --> 01:54:21,699 sacrifice by 2299 01:54:21,699 --> 01:54:25,569 giving up our railroad crossing we don't have anywhere for 2300 01:54:25,569 --> 01:54:26,699 a six-lane highway to 2301 01:54:26,699 --> 01:54:31,210 go to and I certainly don't need that much more noise we 2302 01:54:31,210 --> 01:54:33,020 are already putting 2303 01:54:33,020 --> 01:54:37,590 up with the wider highway when they widen 380 so we have 2304 01:54:37,590 --> 01:54:39,380 deafening noise 2305 01:54:39,380 --> 01:54:48,779 already so I would strongly encourage or discourage any 2306 01:54:48,779 --> 01:54:52,060 additional sacrifice on 2307 01:54:52,060 --> 01:54:55,920 our part to the city as we aren't in the city and if the 2308 01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:57,659 city can't afford five 2309 01:54:57,659 --> 01:55:01,140 hundred dollars to fix the Min the Copper Creek Bridge how 2310 01:55:01,140 --> 01:55:01,779 are they going to 2311 01:55:01,779 --> 01:55:06,060 afford the fight they'd have with putting in a new highway 2312 01:55:06,060 --> 01:55:07,699 I what I also 2313 01:55:07,699 --> 01:55:13,949 heard was that this was to go through the government core 2314 01:55:13,949 --> 01:55:15,500 land and I don't 2315 01:55:15,500 --> 01:55:18,329 believe they'd think much of that even though the city does 2316 01:55:18,329 --> 01:55:19,180 have control over 2317 01:55:19,180 --> 01:55:25,359 it and what effect would this have on your new sewer plant 2318 01:55:25,359 --> 01:55:26,420 that you plan to 2319 01:55:26,420 --> 01:55:30,970 build out on the Hanna Ranch so that's I'll try to catch up 2320 01:55:30,970 --> 01:55:31,260 on the 2321 01:55:31,260 --> 01:55:34,260 information but I didn't want to miss this opportunity well 2322 01:55:34,260 --> 01:55:34,939 thank you for your 2323 01:55:34,939 --> 01:55:37,770 comments and I think you excuse me I think we have a 2324 01:55:37,770 --> 01:55:38,979 question okay for you as 2325 01:55:38,979 --> 01:55:42,329 well and before I recognize the Commissioner the gentleman 2326 01:55:42,329 --> 01:55:43,579 sitting right 2327 01:55:43,579 --> 01:55:47,260 there mr. Rorah can answer those questions right that yes 2328 01:55:47,260 --> 01:55:47,899 sir I think 2329 01:55:47,899 --> 01:55:51,560 your questions and concerns have been addressed as far as 2330 01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:52,739 Collins road but I 2331 01:55:52,739 --> 01:55:56,380 will recognize Commissioner Roselle for his question I 2332 01:55:56,380 --> 01:55:57,739 thank you I probably just 2333 01:55:57,739 --> 01:55:59,960 withdrawal this I was just going to suggest for the ed 2334 01:55:59,960 --> 01:56:01,300 ification of the mapping to 2335 01:56:01,300 --> 01:56:03,649 speak with staff to figure out exactly where the 2336 01:56:03,649 --> 01:56:05,260 implications would be for your 2337 01:56:05,260 --> 01:56:09,819 property so I agree with the chair okay 2338 01:56:11,460 --> 01:56:16,760 and our next speaker will be Michael Hinnan followed by 2339 01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:20,899 Katie Trice Michael 2340 01:56:20,899 --> 01:56:25,880 Hinnan 724 Thomas Street in Denton I'm speaking in favor of 2341 01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:27,180 the mobility plan 2342 01:56:27,180 --> 01:56:30,260 but I want to echo some of the sentiments you've already 2343 01:56:30,260 --> 01:56:31,020 heard about 2344 01:56:31,020 --> 01:56:37,369 any kind of future plans that come before you that always 2345 01:56:37,369 --> 01:56:39,819 should contain 2346 01:56:39,819 --> 01:56:44,319 considerations for a bicycle and for pedestrian travel our 2347 01:56:44,319 --> 01:56:46,500 cities are much 2348 01:56:46,500 --> 01:56:50,850 more civilized and much more livable when they are on the 2349 01:56:50,850 --> 01:56:52,380 scale of people who 2350 01:56:52,380 --> 01:56:58,619 can walk around in our cities there's a whole movement 2351 01:56:58,619 --> 01:57:00,579 dealing with making 2352 01:57:00,579 --> 01:57:05,880 cities are much more pleasant places to be even when we're 2353 01:57:05,880 --> 01:57:07,979 out walking from one 2354 01:57:07,979 --> 01:57:11,489 place to another or bicycling from one place to another the 2355 01:57:11,489 --> 01:57:14,100 speed of vehicle 2356 01:57:14,100 --> 01:57:18,399 traffic in our cities should not be the main consideration 2357 01:57:18,399 --> 01:57:20,380 and I urge you when 2358 01:57:20,380 --> 01:57:24,949 you're looking at all proposals for highways in the future 2359 01:57:24,949 --> 01:57:26,460 that they must as 2360 01:57:26,460 --> 01:57:30,670 one of the previous speakers said they must contain 2361 01:57:30,670 --> 01:57:32,819 accommodations not just 2362 01:57:32,819 --> 01:57:40,619 possibilities but actual concrete or physical bicycle paths 2363 01:57:40,619 --> 01:57:41,659 or and for 2364 01:57:41,659 --> 01:57:46,600 pedestrians in sidewalks further when you have private 2365 01:57:46,600 --> 01:57:47,899 parties coming before 2366 01:57:47,899 --> 01:57:54,500 you seeking to alter or to develop property within the city 2367 01:57:54,500 --> 01:57:55,340 that you always 2368 01:57:55,340 --> 01:58:00,649 look at the accommodations that are being made for bicycle 2369 01:58:00,649 --> 01:58:01,619 and pedestrian 2370 01:58:01,619 --> 01:58:05,340 use around those properties including bicycle racks you 2371 01:58:05,340 --> 01:58:06,699 know there's a lot of 2372 01:58:06,699 --> 01:58:10,159 places in town where you end up looking for the nearest 2373 01:58:10,159 --> 01:58:12,500 tree or the nearest sign 2374 01:58:12,500 --> 01:58:16,420 post so whenever you have a business or some kind of a 2375 01:58:16,420 --> 01:58:17,939 development that's 2376 01:58:17,939 --> 01:58:23,350 proposed to you I urge you to keep in mind always how it's 2377 01:58:23,350 --> 01:58:24,140 going to affect 2378 01:58:24,140 --> 01:58:30,100 pedestrian and bicycle users I live over by McKenna Park on 2379 01:58:30,100 --> 01:58:31,579 the west side of town 2380 01:58:31,579 --> 01:58:37,420 and I try to ride my bike as often as I can to go to the 2381 01:58:37,420 --> 01:58:39,659 core parts of the city 2382 01:58:39,659 --> 01:58:42,880 and it's a two-fer you get where you're going and you get 2383 01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:44,300 some exercise and at 2384 01:58:44,300 --> 01:58:50,310 the same time I would urge you to look at the retrofitting 2385 01:58:50,310 --> 01:58:52,140 of our streets for 2386 01:58:52,140 --> 01:58:57,579 safe travel by pedestrians though scripture Street is one 2387 01:58:57,579 --> 01:58:59,260 of the probably 2388 01:58:59,260 --> 01:59:02,449 one of the highest categories I can think of because I see 2389 01:59:02,449 --> 01:59:03,380 a lot of people 2390 01:59:03,380 --> 01:59:10,060 walking along scripture between possibly Jago and down 2391 01:59:10,060 --> 01:59:12,500 where body Bray runs and 2392 01:59:12,500 --> 01:59:15,060 they're always walking in the street with the traffic and 2393 01:59:15,060 --> 01:59:16,260 that's unacceptable 2394 01:59:16,260 --> 01:59:22,100 thank you thank you thank you our next speaker will be 2395 01:59:22,100 --> 01:59:22,500 Katie 2396 01:59:22,500 --> 01:59:31,189 thrice followed by Todd Ellis hi I'm Katie tries 1401 Egan 2397 01:59:31,189 --> 01:59:33,300 Denton Texas I I 2398 01:59:33,300 --> 01:59:37,079 had the pleasure of serving with Commissioner Brighill on 2399 01:59:37,079 --> 01:59:37,939 the bicycle 2400 01:59:37,939 --> 01:59:42,800 plan task force that helped to create the bike plan and a 2401 01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:44,340 lot of work went into 2402 01:59:44,340 --> 01:59:47,899 those meetings and I was very proud to be able to serve 2403 01:59:47,899 --> 01:59:50,500 with that team to 2404 01:59:50,500 --> 01:59:54,500 represent the citizens and also the currency a community 2405 01:59:54,500 --> 01:59:55,659 bike shop so much 2406 01:59:55,659 --> 02:00:01,739 work has been put into that plan and we should certainly 2407 02:00:01,739 --> 02:00:03,760 not consider taking 2408 02:00:03,760 --> 02:00:07,829 away accommodation for bicyclists if anything we should be 2409 02:00:07,829 --> 02:00:09,260 adding more more 2410 02:00:09,260 --> 02:00:13,590 infrastructure for bicyclists to protect our most 2411 02:00:13,590 --> 02:00:16,779 vulnerable users and to to 2412 02:00:16,779 --> 02:00:20,649 omit paths that are in that plan would certainly be a diss 2413 02:00:20,649 --> 02:00:22,060 ervice to the staff 2414 02:00:22,060 --> 02:00:25,329 citizens volunteers and others that have contributed to 2415 02:00:25,329 --> 02:00:27,420 date to the plan when you 2416 02:00:27,420 --> 02:00:31,319 look at more progressive cities that are making biking a 2417 02:00:31,319 --> 02:00:32,819 real priority you're 2418 02:00:32,819 --> 02:00:36,340 seeing a lot of divided lanes so that you know when you 2419 02:00:36,340 --> 02:00:37,739 think about our most 2420 02:00:37,739 --> 02:00:40,279 vulnerable users you're thinking about the children that 2421 02:00:40,279 --> 02:00:41,220 are biking to school 2422 02:00:41,220 --> 02:00:44,819 and having some kind of divided lane that protects them is 2423 02:00:44,819 --> 02:00:45,819 one of the best 2424 02:00:45,819 --> 02:00:51,899 ways that they can feel safe as well as the older riders 2425 02:00:51,899 --> 02:00:53,579 because we want to feel 2426 02:00:53,579 --> 02:00:56,579 safe and we want to feel welcome and we want to feel as 2427 02:00:56,579 --> 02:00:57,899 cyclists like we belong 2428 02:00:57,899 --> 02:01:05,229 on the roads you know and we were in the bicycle plan task 2429 02:01:05,229 --> 02:01:06,100 force we were 2430 02:01:06,100 --> 02:01:10,020 restricted in some ways because of the road width and the 2431 02:01:10,020 --> 02:01:11,619 parking requirements 2432 02:01:11,619 --> 02:01:15,810 and so I absolutely want to encourage you to in the 2433 02:01:15,810 --> 02:01:17,819 mobility plan with new 2434 02:01:17,819 --> 02:01:21,479 developments where the roads haven't been created yet and 2435 02:01:21,479 --> 02:01:22,180 the sidewalks 2436 02:01:22,180 --> 02:01:30,699 haven't been created to really require the highest possible 2437 02:01:30,699 --> 02:01:32,380 amenity for 2438 02:01:32,380 --> 02:01:36,859 cyclists and that isn't definitely not a share-o and it is 2439 02:01:36,859 --> 02:01:37,779 not a wide outside 2440 02:01:37,779 --> 02:01:44,159 lane and it is not a side path only it is a divided bicycle 2441 02:01:44,159 --> 02:01:50,779 lane yeah so in 2442 02:01:50,779 --> 02:01:54,250 summary we want to feel safe as cyclists we want to feel 2443 02:01:54,250 --> 02:01:55,460 welcome and we want to 2444 02:01:55,460 --> 02:02:00,939 feel like we belong yeah and thank you so much thank you I 2445 02:02:00,939 --> 02:02:01,380 don't see any 2446 02:02:01,380 --> 02:02:04,539 questions did you have a question I just mostly had a 2447 02:02:04,539 --> 02:02:05,420 comment Katie 2448 02:02:05,420 --> 02:02:08,920 Commissioner Brickle thank you chair Katie I just I also 2449 02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:09,460 had the great 2450 02:02:09,460 --> 02:02:11,590 pleasure of serving on the bike plan task force with you it 2451 02:02:11,590 --> 02:02:12,180 was like five or 2452 02:02:12,180 --> 02:02:16,039 six years ago and I just wanted to for the record to thank 2453 02:02:16,039 --> 02:02:17,300 Ms. Trice for her 2454 02:02:17,300 --> 02:02:22,279 amazing work on that task force I remember that for a while 2455 02:02:22,279 --> 02:02:22,899 staff was 2456 02:02:22,899 --> 02:02:25,170 really pushing for that bike lane on Mulberry to get to 2457 02:02:25,170 --> 02:02:26,020 campus and you're 2458 02:02:26,020 --> 02:02:29,020 like no okay Greece the way to go and you really banged 2459 02:02:29,020 --> 02:02:30,060 that drum and they 2460 02:02:30,060 --> 02:02:33,060 finally listened so so that's on you so congratulations and 2461 02:02:33,060 --> 02:02:33,899 thank you for your 2462 02:02:33,899 --> 02:02:40,539 hard work thank you Commissioner Brickle. Todd Ellis the 2463 02:02:40,539 --> 02:02:42,460 next card that I have be 2464 02:02:42,460 --> 02:02:54,850 followed by Carl Gossett. Hi commissioners thanks for the 2465 02:02:54,850 --> 02:02:55,439 chance to speak 2466 02:02:55,439 --> 02:03:02,159 tonight my name is Todd Ellis I live at 3321 Rockhill Road 2467 02:03:02,159 --> 02:03:03,460 in Aubrey where I 2468 02:03:03,460 --> 02:03:08,689 only lived for two months I lived in Denton before that and 2469 02:03:08,689 --> 02:03:10,619 I have been a 2470 02:03:10,619 --> 02:03:16,500 bike commuter since 1983 starting in Denton and then for 2471 02:03:16,500 --> 02:03:18,500 many years in San 2472 02:03:18,500 --> 02:03:24,380 Antonio New Orleans Guam and Salt Lake City and all of 2473 02:03:24,380 --> 02:03:25,579 those I've experienced 2474 02:03:25,579 --> 02:03:28,579 the various infrastructure for biking or absence of 2475 02:03:28,579 --> 02:03:30,140 infrastructure for biking and 2476 02:03:30,140 --> 02:03:33,630 like every biker here one of the first things you figure 2477 02:03:33,630 --> 02:03:34,699 out is where the 2478 02:03:34,699 --> 02:03:38,140 death traps are so you don't ride there and so a lot of 2479 02:03:38,140 --> 02:03:39,699 biking is about avoiding 2480 02:03:39,699 --> 02:03:46,020 that but I'm definitely in support of obviously including 2481 02:03:46,020 --> 02:03:47,539 accommodations in 2482 02:03:47,539 --> 02:03:54,300 all future bike plans. It's hard to put 32 years of 2483 02:03:54,300 --> 02:03:55,619 experience cycling in 2484 02:03:55,619 --> 02:03:58,739 different cities into three minutes it's kind of like I 2485 02:03:58,739 --> 02:04:00,119 could grab any number of 2486 02:04:00,119 --> 02:04:03,119 things from my brain what I should that's convincing I 2487 02:04:03,119 --> 02:04:06,260 really have no idea 2488 02:04:10,180 --> 02:04:15,869 except other than what has been mentioned biking is doesn't 2489 02:04:15,869 --> 02:04:16,659 seem like 2490 02:04:16,659 --> 02:04:20,180 any other infrastructure decision because biking is a 2491 02:04:20,180 --> 02:04:22,140 paradigm shift and 2492 02:04:22,140 --> 02:04:28,079 it's a paradigm shift towards many things you know self-re 2493 02:04:28,079 --> 02:04:28,579 liance 2494 02:04:28,579 --> 02:04:34,659 sustainability local economy taking charge of your own 2495 02:04:34,659 --> 02:04:36,220 health mental health 2496 02:04:36,220 --> 02:04:40,180 I could go on and on about the benefits of cycling but it's 2497 02:04:40,180 --> 02:04:41,500 not don't get it just 2498 02:04:41,500 --> 02:04:44,869 as another infrastructure project but a paradigm shift that 2499 02:04:44,869 --> 02:04:45,699 is the fastest 2500 02:04:45,699 --> 02:04:51,340 growing mode of transportation in cities in the US. We know 2501 02:04:51,340 --> 02:04:53,340 through studies done 2502 02:04:53,340 --> 02:04:57,510 by the city of Oregon or city of Portland Oregon that a 2503 02:04:57,510 --> 02:04:58,859 higher number of 2504 02:04:58,859 --> 02:05:04,310 bicycles keeps more money circulating locally so for the 2505 02:05:04,310 --> 02:05:05,859 money oriented among 2506 02:05:05,859 --> 02:05:11,819 us that should be you know a carrot out there but it's a 2507 02:05:11,819 --> 02:05:13,300 quality of life issue 2508 02:05:13,300 --> 02:05:21,229 and I guess my struggle with city governments and 2509 02:05:21,229 --> 02:05:25,060 governments in general 2510 02:05:25,060 --> 02:05:31,189 is especially in the US is it seems to all be about you 2511 02:05:31,189 --> 02:05:33,340 know what Zack de la 2512 02:05:33,340 --> 02:05:37,119 Roca over age against machine said is all the world jails 2513 02:05:37,119 --> 02:05:38,420 and churches so he 2514 02:05:38,420 --> 02:05:42,390 has a song about planning and zoning actually you know and 2515 02:05:42,390 --> 02:05:43,420 nothing's anything 2516 02:05:43,420 --> 02:05:46,500 wrong with the jail or church per se but it's not the 2517 02:05:46,500 --> 02:05:48,060 letter of the law but this 2518 02:05:48,060 --> 02:05:50,470 the letter of what he's saying the spirit of what he's 2519 02:05:50,470 --> 02:05:51,340 saying is that you 2520 02:05:51,340 --> 02:05:54,439 know we want to create a community that's not just you know 2521 02:05:54,439 --> 02:05:55,340 oppressive you 2522 02:05:55,340 --> 02:05:59,210 know another another 7-eleven or another box store but a 2523 02:05:59,210 --> 02:06:00,300 community of life and 2524 02:06:00,300 --> 02:06:07,140 access that's 30 years of experience in three minutes 2525 02:06:07,140 --> 02:06:10,670 do you have a question for you Commissioner Roselle thank 2526 02:06:10,670 --> 02:06:11,220 you chair I 2527 02:06:11,220 --> 02:06:13,649 you made a leading statement that I just want to follow up 2528 02:06:13,649 --> 02:06:14,500 on you said the first 2529 02:06:14,500 --> 02:06:16,949 thing bicycles do when they come to town is find out where 2530 02:06:16,949 --> 02:06:17,859 the death traps are 2531 02:06:17,859 --> 02:06:21,140 can you tell me where the death traps are and didn't I 2532 02:06:21,140 --> 02:06:22,619 would personally like 2533 02:06:22,619 --> 02:06:26,180 oh yeah oh yeah there's and I'm sure a lot of people do and 2534 02:06:26,180 --> 02:06:26,939 I can tell the 2535 02:06:26,939 --> 02:06:29,649 personal ones I have to avoid right now I'd like to tell 2536 02:06:29,649 --> 02:06:30,779 the personal one I have 2537 02:06:30,779 --> 02:06:33,819 to avoid right now and which is why I'm excited about the 2538 02:06:33,819 --> 02:06:34,939 the postdoc option 2539 02:06:34,939 --> 02:06:38,659 because my my commute right now goes from a middle school 2540 02:06:38,659 --> 02:06:40,180 close to post oak 2541 02:06:40,180 --> 02:06:45,239 and in Corinth and it goes around into town and out for 28 2542 02:06:45,239 --> 02:06:46,939 to Aubrey about 20 2543 02:06:46,939 --> 02:06:51,289 mile right and it could be about 12 miles but I can't do 2544 02:06:51,289 --> 02:06:52,500 Mayhill Road Mayhill 2545 02:06:52,500 --> 02:06:56,470 Road isn't is a no way Mayhill Road's no way and then I can 2546 02:06:56,470 --> 02:06:58,699 't do 228 obviously 2547 02:06:58,699 --> 02:07:02,489 because that's you know again I've seen bicyclists doing 2548 02:07:02,489 --> 02:07:04,340 you know loop 228 at 2549 02:07:04,340 --> 02:07:09,189 6 a.m. without lights and I I just I've a couple times I've 2550 02:07:09,189 --> 02:07:09,939 stopped and tried to 2551 02:07:09,939 --> 02:07:12,770 go not you really you don't want to ride this you know he's 2552 02:07:12,770 --> 02:07:13,779 so deadly you know 2553 02:07:13,779 --> 02:07:22,819 - so 288 is Mayhill Road definitely is the university is 2554 02:07:22,819 --> 02:07:24,659 like like clay said 2555 02:07:24,659 --> 02:07:28,890 Woodrow is Woodrow's challenging I actually do Woodrow 2556 02:07:28,890 --> 02:07:30,699 because but it's 2557 02:07:30,699 --> 02:07:34,739 challenging mostly because of the how fast the cars are 2558 02:07:34,739 --> 02:07:35,619 going there it is it 2559 02:07:35,619 --> 02:07:38,250 is two lanes on a sidewalk but they're going really fast 2560 02:07:38,250 --> 02:07:40,060 right there those are 2561 02:07:40,060 --> 02:07:48,229 the main scripture is there's plenty right now the main one 2562 02:07:48,229 --> 02:07:50,180 for me is Mayhill 2563 02:07:50,180 --> 02:07:53,329 and if you guys made that post oak with bike facilities 2564 02:07:53,329 --> 02:07:54,699 that I could ride to I 2565 02:07:54,699 --> 02:07:57,699 would memorize all of your names and bow to the four 2566 02:07:57,699 --> 02:07:59,060 directions every day before 2567 02:07:59,060 --> 02:08:02,060 I did that bike ride because I would just be unbelievable 2568 02:08:02,060 --> 02:08:03,020 that'd be unbelievable 2569 02:08:03,020 --> 02:08:08,060 it's a deal yeah I will okay we'll Commissioner Corito to 2570 02:08:08,060 --> 02:08:09,260 memorialize you 2571 02:08:09,260 --> 02:08:15,920 thank you thank you thank you next speaker will be Carl G 2572 02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:17,340 ossett followed by 2573 02:08:17,340 --> 02:08:25,270 Doug Campbell thank you my name is Carl Gossett I live at 2574 02:08:25,270 --> 02:08:29,460 602 Woodland Street in 2575 02:08:29,460 --> 02:08:35,850 Denton Texas and I don't really have a prepared statement 2576 02:08:35,850 --> 02:08:40,340 and I'm not ready to 2577 02:08:40,340 --> 02:08:43,850 address any of the specifics in the changes in the mobility 2578 02:08:43,850 --> 02:08:44,659 plan but I'm 2579 02:08:44,659 --> 02:08:50,489 here mostly to make a general comment about the need of the 2580 02:08:50,489 --> 02:08:52,260 city to make sure 2581 02:08:52,260 --> 02:08:58,649 to include infrastructure in any changes to the mobility 2582 02:08:58,649 --> 02:09:00,619 plan regardless of what 2583 02:09:00,619 --> 02:09:04,840 the bike plan says I moved here about three and a half 2584 02:09:04,840 --> 02:09:06,300 years ago from Los 2585 02:09:06,300 --> 02:09:11,369 Angeles California and when I lived in LA I commuted 12 2586 02:09:11,369 --> 02:09:13,300 miles every day on my bike 2587 02:09:13,300 --> 02:09:19,960 and when I moved to Denton my thought was this is great you 2588 02:09:19,960 --> 02:09:20,659 know I did some 2589 02:09:20,659 --> 02:09:23,970 research I looked at it online and we we had a preliminary 2590 02:09:23,970 --> 02:09:25,220 trip to find housing 2591 02:09:25,220 --> 02:09:29,079 and I thought this is great this is a small town it's 2592 02:09:29,079 --> 02:09:30,500 lovely the weather is 2593 02:09:30,500 --> 02:09:34,710 great for the most part and I could see a lot of people 2594 02:09:34,710 --> 02:09:35,500 riding bikes and I 2595 02:09:35,500 --> 02:09:40,060 thought this is perfect my experience was that in general I 2596 02:09:40,060 --> 02:09:41,500 find riding in 2597 02:09:41,500 --> 02:09:45,039 Denton scarier than riding in downtown Los Angeles and for 2598 02:09:45,039 --> 02:09:46,539 any of you who know 2599 02:09:46,539 --> 02:09:50,670 LA I went from mid-city to South Central every day and it 2600 02:09:50,670 --> 02:09:52,899 was a pleasure and just 2601 02:09:52,899 --> 02:09:59,369 going down University or McKinney from my house is it's it 2602 02:09:59,369 --> 02:10:02,100 's a crap shoot so I 2603 02:10:02,100 --> 02:10:06,670 would just make sure that people understand that I think 2604 02:10:06,670 --> 02:10:07,779 there's a 2605 02:10:07,779 --> 02:10:11,829 cultural shift that needs to happen I sensed that for a lot 2606 02:10:11,829 --> 02:10:12,819 of people for 2607 02:10:12,819 --> 02:10:16,380 whatever reason cyclists are still seen as some sort of 2608 02:10:16,380 --> 02:10:20,819 marginal anti-establishment 2609 02:10:20,819 --> 02:10:23,189 group of people who just make that decision that they're 2610 02:10:23,189 --> 02:10:23,979 gonna ride their 2611 02:10:23,979 --> 02:10:29,779 bike for whatever reason I'd like to propose that the view 2612 02:10:29,779 --> 02:10:31,420 be expanded to 2613 02:10:31,420 --> 02:10:35,489 consider that everyone should be riding bikes and there are 2614 02:10:35,489 --> 02:10:36,899 actually quite a few 2615 02:10:36,899 --> 02:10:42,100 people who do age doesn't matter gender doesn't matter and 2616 02:10:42,100 --> 02:10:44,100 hopefully you know 2617 02:10:44,100 --> 02:10:47,479 class doesn't matter either but it's important that we look 2618 02:10:47,479 --> 02:10:48,539 at cyclists not 2619 02:10:48,539 --> 02:10:51,859 just a small marginal group that needs to be accommodated 2620 02:10:51,859 --> 02:10:53,859 so the consequence of 2621 02:10:53,859 --> 02:10:57,229 that is that the tyranny of the majority should not you 2622 02:10:57,229 --> 02:10:58,819 know has no play here so 2623 02:10:58,819 --> 02:11:01,270 I don't think anyone should come out and say we have X 2624 02:11:01,270 --> 02:11:02,460 number of cars that go 2625 02:11:02,460 --> 02:11:05,319 through this street on a daily basis and only 12 cyclists 2626 02:11:05,319 --> 02:11:06,819 therefore you know the 2627 02:11:06,819 --> 02:11:10,579 conclusion is obvious I think we need to move away from 2628 02:11:10,579 --> 02:11:13,300 that model more towards 2629 02:11:13,300 --> 02:11:17,810 well if we build it there will come and the reality I'll 2630 02:11:17,810 --> 02:11:20,500 leave you with this the 2631 02:11:20,500 --> 02:11:23,569 cycling community is growing so the number of riders is not 2632 02:11:23,569 --> 02:11:24,420 going to go down 2633 02:11:24,420 --> 02:11:27,970 it's going to go up and someone's going to get hurt 2634 02:11:27,970 --> 02:11:29,380 somebody some people have 2635 02:11:29,380 --> 02:11:32,449 already gotten hurt but someone's got a most likely you 2636 02:11:32,449 --> 02:11:33,699 know at some point get 2637 02:11:33,699 --> 02:11:37,279 into a catastrophic situation and become a fatality so I 2638 02:11:37,279 --> 02:11:38,420 would encourage the city 2639 02:11:38,420 --> 02:11:42,369 to not be reactive to this scenario which is bound to 2640 02:11:42,369 --> 02:11:44,020 happen if things are 2641 02:11:44,020 --> 02:11:49,220 the way they are now and be more proactive and include bike 2642 02:11:49,220 --> 02:11:49,979 infrastructure 2643 02:11:49,979 --> 02:11:53,550 in any point any changes to any mobility plan that the city 2644 02:11:53,550 --> 02:11:54,859 is considering thank 2645 02:11:54,859 --> 02:11:57,380 you. I have a question for you Commissioner Bruegel. Thank 2646 02:11:57,380 --> 02:11:58,979 You Chair. Carl thanks for being here tonight. 2647 02:11:58,979 --> 02:12:05,789 What you said about about getting injured and tying into 2648 02:12:05,789 --> 02:12:06,220 what the last 2649 02:12:06,220 --> 02:12:09,220 speaker said about that too I'm just kind of curious from 2650 02:12:09,220 --> 02:12:10,500 all y'all here by a 2651 02:12:10,500 --> 02:12:13,619 show of hands have any of you ever been hit by a car while 2652 02:12:13,619 --> 02:12:15,859 riding your bike and 2653 02:12:15,859 --> 02:12:19,229 I know Adam has to you to raise his hand and those of you 2654 02:12:19,229 --> 02:12:20,460 that have raised your 2655 02:12:20,460 --> 02:12:23,460 hands do you feel if if there would have been a bike 2656 02:12:23,460 --> 02:12:25,340 accommodation for you at that 2657 02:12:25,340 --> 02:12:28,510 place where you were hit would that have kept you safer if 2658 02:12:28,510 --> 02:12:29,500 with that maybe 2659 02:12:29,500 --> 02:12:34,819 prevented so just about as many hands okay I'm just curious 2660 02:12:34,819 --> 02:12:36,100 thank you yeah I'll 2661 02:12:36,100 --> 02:12:40,739 just if I may I've had guns pulled on me in LA while on my 2662 02:12:40,739 --> 02:12:41,500 bike I've had 2663 02:12:41,500 --> 02:12:45,159 milkshakes thrown at me out of cars I've had people come at 2664 02:12:45,159 --> 02:12:47,140 me with baseball bats 2665 02:12:47,140 --> 02:12:52,369 that's nothing compared to riding on McKinney believe me so 2666 02:12:52,369 --> 02:12:54,579 I'm I you know I 2667 02:12:54,579 --> 02:12:57,319 have a car I drive to you it's not like I just have a bike 2668 02:12:57,319 --> 02:12:58,500 and I look at drivers 2669 02:12:58,500 --> 02:13:02,869 in some some sort of different prism I don't so I think the 2670 02:13:02,869 --> 02:13:04,180 drivers here in 2671 02:13:04,180 --> 02:13:07,039 Denton actually quite friendly but the infrastructure is 2672 02:13:07,039 --> 02:13:08,899 just horrible and 2673 02:13:08,899 --> 02:13:14,170 again I don't want to be a doomsday kind of guy but someone 2674 02:13:14,170 --> 02:13:15,619 is going to get 2675 02:13:15,619 --> 02:13:20,060 seriously hurt and you know please do something now and be 2676 02:13:20,060 --> 02:13:21,220 ahead of the curb 2677 02:13:21,220 --> 02:13:26,100 rather than reactive to whatever is going to happen next 2678 02:13:26,100 --> 02:13:27,460 one more question 2679 02:13:27,460 --> 02:13:30,210 for you Commissioner Roswell thank you chair I'm not sure 2680 02:13:30,210 --> 02:13:31,140 if this is a question 2681 02:13:31,140 --> 02:13:34,270 more than an observation and I know the population here 2682 02:13:34,270 --> 02:13:35,380 speaking for bike 2683 02:13:35,380 --> 02:13:39,220 mobility is price self-selected in a lot of ways in terms 2684 02:13:39,220 --> 02:13:40,619 of following the rules 2685 02:13:40,619 --> 02:13:44,340 just today I had an individual on a bike run a stop sign 2686 02:13:44,340 --> 02:13:45,300 while saying left-hand 2687 02:13:45,300 --> 02:13:48,420 turn I nearly hit him but there's no adherence to the law 2688 02:13:48,420 --> 02:13:49,340 and so I wonder if 2689 02:13:49,340 --> 02:13:53,329 there's a way that is as we look to develop bike mobility 2690 02:13:53,329 --> 02:13:54,859 if education to be 2691 02:13:54,859 --> 02:13:57,859 part of that or structure because I don't want a few bad 2692 02:13:57,859 --> 02:13:58,659 apples to turn the 2693 02:13:58,659 --> 02:14:02,409 whole bunch but my wife got hit by cyclists that ran a stop 2694 02:14:02,409 --> 02:14:04,340 sign and so I 2695 02:14:04,340 --> 02:14:07,350 definitely think safety is a priority but I also want to 2696 02:14:07,350 --> 02:14:08,340 note that it goes 2697 02:14:08,340 --> 02:14:12,199 both ways and and I would love for those bad apples so to 2698 02:14:12,199 --> 02:14:14,140 speak not to ruin the 2699 02:14:14,140 --> 02:14:18,989 testimonies here because it's certainly in my opinion robs 2700 02:14:18,989 --> 02:14:19,779 me the wrong way 2701 02:14:19,779 --> 02:14:22,609 when that happens because I would like the law to go both 2702 02:14:22,609 --> 02:14:23,899 ways for drivers as 2703 02:14:23,899 --> 02:14:30,649 cyclists as we talk about transportation parity if I may 2704 02:14:30,649 --> 02:14:32,539 respond not directly 2705 02:14:32,539 --> 02:14:38,819 maybe but I completely agree with you I'm a big proponent 2706 02:14:38,819 --> 02:14:40,380 of having cyclists 2707 02:14:40,380 --> 02:14:43,390 that we hold each other accountable and that includes 2708 02:14:43,390 --> 02:14:44,699 following you know the 2709 02:14:44,699 --> 02:14:49,300 rules of the road and so on my personal experience is the 2710 02:14:49,300 --> 02:14:50,899 only way that changes 2711 02:14:50,899 --> 02:14:54,909 in any substantial way is by having more cyclists on the 2712 02:14:54,909 --> 02:14:58,260 road if you if you build 2713 02:14:58,260 --> 02:15:01,449 a model where you by definition restrict the number of cycl 2714 02:15:01,449 --> 02:15:02,420 ists you are going to 2715 02:15:02,420 --> 02:15:05,520 have these so-called bad apples on the road all the time if 2716 02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:06,899 you go to a city 2717 02:15:06,899 --> 02:15:09,760 like Amsterdam and I'm not trying to compare apples to 2718 02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:10,659 oranges but you have 2719 02:15:10,659 --> 02:15:14,819 hundreds of cyclists everywhere people yell at each other 2720 02:15:14,819 --> 02:15:16,060 if somebody makes a 2721 02:15:16,060 --> 02:15:19,569 mistake another rider will call you on it and I'd like to 2722 02:15:19,569 --> 02:15:21,100 get to a point where 2723 02:15:21,100 --> 02:15:23,619 we are you know where we have that sort of situation here 2724 02:15:23,619 --> 02:15:24,500 but my experience 2725 02:15:24,500 --> 02:15:30,039 again is it's only improved through the increase of riders 2726 02:15:30,039 --> 02:15:31,500 hip on roads sure 2727 02:15:31,500 --> 02:15:35,560 it's good point thank you for your comments our next 2728 02:15:35,560 --> 02:15:37,380 speaker is Doug Campbell 2729 02:15:37,380 --> 02:15:44,739 and be followed by Naomi wood thank you Commission for 2730 02:15:44,739 --> 02:15:46,220 listening to my comments 2731 02:15:46,220 --> 02:15:49,220 and thank you for the bike plan that we do have the bike 2732 02:15:49,220 --> 02:15:50,779 and pedestrian component 2733 02:15:50,779 --> 02:15:53,779 of the mobility plan I appreciate the Sharos that have been 2734 02:15:53,779 --> 02:15:54,579 added in the last 2735 02:15:54,579 --> 02:15:58,779 year so but Sharos are only give us your name and address 2736 02:15:58,779 --> 02:15:59,779 thank you sorry 2737 02:15:59,779 --> 02:16:03,739 Doug Campbell one two two three Bell me drive seven six two 2738 02:16:03,739 --> 02:16:04,739 zero one thank you 2739 02:16:04,739 --> 02:16:09,869 thank you so thank you for the Sharos that have been 2740 02:16:09,869 --> 02:16:12,300 implemented through the 2741 02:16:12,300 --> 02:16:17,630 mobility plan they are only a beginning the protective bike 2742 02:16:17,630 --> 02:16:19,060 lane is is the final 2743 02:16:19,060 --> 02:16:22,539 solution I believe as far as scoff laws and education I 2744 02:16:22,539 --> 02:16:23,979 want to address that 2745 02:16:23,979 --> 02:16:28,310 quickly that studies have shown that cyclists and drivers 2746 02:16:28,310 --> 02:16:29,579 break the laws that 2747 02:16:29,579 --> 02:16:33,500 the exact same rate actually but I'm a proponent of 2748 02:16:33,500 --> 02:16:35,299 education I just I'm a now 2749 02:16:35,299 --> 02:16:39,379 American League leave American bicycle is certified 2750 02:16:39,379 --> 02:16:41,739 instructor so I plan to 2751 02:16:41,739 --> 02:16:47,280 offer education classes in Denton so to encourage cyclists 2752 02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:49,500 to obey laws which we 2753 02:16:49,500 --> 02:16:52,659 should do we have the same rights on the roads but we also 2754 02:16:52,659 --> 02:16:53,219 have the same 2755 02:16:53,219 --> 02:16:58,620 responsibilities so I want to hone in on that I am a home 2756 02:16:58,620 --> 02:17:01,420 owner and I'm also a car 2757 02:17:01,420 --> 02:17:05,819 owner but my primary means of transportation is my bicycle 2758 02:17:05,819 --> 02:17:06,739 I ride to 2759 02:17:06,739 --> 02:17:11,930 work every day I shop my bike every day I drive my car 2760 02:17:11,930 --> 02:17:13,500 maybe once a week on 2761 02:17:13,500 --> 02:17:17,979 average two to five miles I fill my car up which is a Honda 2762 02:17:17,979 --> 02:17:19,979 Civic once every two 2763 02:17:19,979 --> 02:17:25,110 months so it's by choice that I ride a bike do want to say 2764 02:17:25,110 --> 02:17:26,659 that nationwide roads 2765 02:17:26,659 --> 02:17:30,309 are paid for 48% by road users those are all road users not 2766 02:17:30,309 --> 02:17:33,379 just car drivers 42% 2767 02:17:33,379 --> 02:17:39,340 by non road users and 10% by bonds so cyclists do have a 2768 02:17:39,340 --> 02:17:40,620 right to the road and 2769 02:17:40,620 --> 02:17:44,079 we do pay for the roads as well in case there was any kind 2770 02:17:44,079 --> 02:17:46,420 of idea that we don't 2771 02:17:46,420 --> 02:17:51,610 again I shop by bike every to every dollar that I spend on 2772 02:17:51,610 --> 02:17:52,340 my bicycle is 2773 02:17:52,340 --> 02:17:56,129 spent in the city of Denton anytime I get in my car I'm 2774 02:17:56,129 --> 02:17:57,219 leaving the city limits 2775 02:17:57,219 --> 02:18:01,909 I have no reason to drive my car within the city limits so 2776 02:18:01,909 --> 02:18:04,540 I don't but if I'm 2777 02:18:04,540 --> 02:18:08,219 getting in my car I'm spending money outside the city 2778 02:18:08,219 --> 02:18:09,739 limits I will say this 2779 02:18:09,739 --> 02:18:15,649 that every study has shown that more dollars are spent by 2780 02:18:15,649 --> 02:18:17,899 cyclists per trip 2781 02:18:17,899 --> 02:18:22,469 to businesses to local businesses also Denton is number two 2782 02:18:22,469 --> 02:18:23,459 in the percentage 2783 02:18:23,459 --> 02:18:26,459 of bike commuters in the state of Texas for the cities of 2784 02:18:26,459 --> 02:18:28,459 100,000 to 200,000 2785 02:18:28,459 --> 02:18:33,790 people and actually it's number three statewide we have 1.1 2786 02:18:33,790 --> 02:18:35,299 percent commuters 2787 02:18:35,299 --> 02:18:40,020 in Denton Austin has 1.3 percent number one city in the 2788 02:18:40,020 --> 02:18:41,059 state of Texas is 2789 02:18:41,059 --> 02:18:45,190 College Station at 3.7 percent that's nothing to laugh at 1 2790 02:18:45,190 --> 02:18:46,260 .1 percent it's 2791 02:18:46,260 --> 02:18:49,850 significant most people say if they build it they will come 2792 02:18:49,850 --> 02:18:51,100 Denton is unique 2793 02:18:51,100 --> 02:18:54,690 in that they're already here we're already riding we just 2794 02:18:54,690 --> 02:18:55,299 ask that you 2795 02:18:55,299 --> 02:18:59,860 build more and more will come Detroit added 150 miles of 2796 02:18:59,860 --> 02:19:01,819 bike lanes since 2006 2797 02:19:01,819 --> 02:19:06,459 they increase the riders ridership by 400 percent add more 2798 02:19:06,459 --> 02:19:08,020 lanes you add more 2799 02:19:08,020 --> 02:19:11,180 riders thank you 2800 02:19:11,940 --> 02:19:16,139 one question for you Commissioner Dunowitz yes I'm just 2801 02:19:16,139 --> 02:19:17,420 curious with your 2802 02:19:17,420 --> 02:19:21,780 experience you're a instructor also I'm sorry you're an 2803 02:19:21,780 --> 02:19:22,940 instructor you said I 2804 02:19:22,940 --> 02:19:29,020 certified to teach bicycle education classes thank you I've 2805 02:19:29,020 --> 02:19:29,780 never taught one 2806 02:19:29,780 --> 02:19:34,659 though I just got certified Sunday okay okay in my long 2807 02:19:34,659 --> 02:19:35,819 life I've lived in a 2808 02:19:35,819 --> 02:19:41,010 city which required licenses for bicycle owners even which 2809 02:19:41,010 --> 02:19:42,379 city was that it was 2810 02:19:42,379 --> 02:19:46,299 in Beloit Wisconsin okay now having said that part of that 2811 02:19:46,299 --> 02:19:47,659 licensing came in 2812 02:19:47,659 --> 02:19:50,659 education process similar to drivers license would you be a 2813 02:19:50,659 --> 02:19:51,500 proponent of that 2814 02:19:51,500 --> 02:19:55,590 in our city I would not be a proponent of licensing I would 2815 02:19:55,590 --> 02:19:56,700 I would be shocked 2816 02:19:56,700 --> 02:20:00,260 if you're if the city that you just named still requires 2817 02:20:00,260 --> 02:20:01,459 licensing every 2818 02:20:01,459 --> 02:20:05,139 city that is brought that up in the last I will say 20 to 2819 02:20:05,139 --> 02:20:06,700 30 years has shot it 2820 02:20:06,700 --> 02:20:11,010 down under trying to figure out how to implement something 2821 02:20:11,010 --> 02:20:12,379 like that if your 2822 02:20:12,379 --> 02:20:15,520 city's the city that you just named still does that I would 2823 02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:16,739 be shocked 2824 02:20:16,739 --> 02:20:20,780 interesting but it does bring us to a place where we could 2825 02:20:20,780 --> 02:20:21,899 assure proper 2826 02:20:21,899 --> 02:20:25,219 education so that people are like the state of Texas I was 2827 02:20:25,219 --> 02:20:25,780 just thinking of 2828 02:20:25,780 --> 02:20:28,920 both sides of this I mean they were proponents on both yes 2829 02:20:28,920 --> 02:20:30,020 yes so we need 2830 02:20:30,020 --> 02:20:33,250 education how do we do that and make sure that people get 2831 02:20:33,250 --> 02:20:34,659 it correctly also 2832 02:20:34,659 --> 02:20:37,809 the licensing process will also help identify stolen 2833 02:20:37,809 --> 02:20:38,940 bicycles and other 2834 02:20:38,940 --> 02:20:42,530 issues and a way to track people who were the bad actors in 2835 02:20:42,530 --> 02:20:43,940 the city so it's 2836 02:20:43,940 --> 02:20:47,000 something else to think about down the road don't know if 2837 02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:47,979 it plays well but 2838 02:20:47,979 --> 02:20:50,840 it's just a thought thank you I'd like to address that if I 2839 02:20:50,840 --> 02:20:52,340 may sure some of 2840 02:20:52,340 --> 02:20:56,819 your comments there are nationwide online bike registration 2841 02:20:56,819 --> 02:20:57,780 programs already I 2842 02:20:57,780 --> 02:21:02,280 could name you three now if you'd like and which the UNT 2843 02:21:02,280 --> 02:21:03,739 police and the city 2844 02:21:03,739 --> 02:21:07,170 of Denton police encourages all cyclists to register their 2845 02:21:07,170 --> 02:21:08,139 bikes on these online 2846 02:21:08,139 --> 02:21:10,860 databases that's the first question they're going to ask is 2847 02:21:10,860 --> 02:21:11,379 what is your 2848 02:21:11,379 --> 02:21:14,600 serial number and did you register your bike as far as bike 2849 02:21:14,600 --> 02:21:15,659 education the state 2850 02:21:15,659 --> 02:21:21,069 of Texas once required bike education but they stopped 2851 02:21:21,069 --> 02:21:21,860 doing that in the early 2852 02:21:21,860 --> 02:21:25,680 80s unfortunately stopped that I wish they would continue 2853 02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:27,219 that cities like 2854 02:21:27,219 --> 02:21:30,610 Washington DC require bike education in their elementary 2855 02:21:30,610 --> 02:21:31,860 schools so hopefully 2856 02:21:31,860 --> 02:21:35,860 that be something perhaps the didn't ISD might consider I 2857 02:21:35,860 --> 02:21:37,420 believe that drivers 2858 02:21:37,420 --> 02:21:41,760 and cyclists need bike education on what are what what are 2859 02:21:41,760 --> 02:21:43,219 the rules of the road 2860 02:21:43,219 --> 02:21:48,069 I think it's important thank you for your comments thank 2861 02:21:48,069 --> 02:21:48,579 you 2862 02:21:48,579 --> 02:21:55,299 Naomi would so our next speaker followed by Patrick O'Con 2863 02:21:55,299 --> 02:21:59,260 nor okay we'll move her 2864 02:21:59,260 --> 02:22:03,180 to the end in case she comes back Patrick O'Connor followed 2865 02:22:03,180 --> 02:22:03,979 by Guy 2866 02:22:03,979 --> 02:22:10,790 Klossner hello I'm Patrick O'Connor I live at 405 Westway 2867 02:22:10,790 --> 02:22:11,700 Street here in 2868 02:22:11,700 --> 02:22:17,780 Denton at 76201 let's see I moved into Denton I made the 2869 02:22:17,780 --> 02:22:18,940 choice to move to 2870 02:22:18,940 --> 02:22:24,780 Denton in 2014 July specifically for your bike friendliness 2871 02:22:24,780 --> 02:22:26,219 city I'm from 2872 02:22:26,219 --> 02:22:29,780 West Fort Worth while Fort Worth has a wonderful bike plan 2873 02:22:29,780 --> 02:22:30,860 they have lots of 2874 02:22:30,860 --> 02:22:34,170 infrastructure it's really only built around downtown I 2875 02:22:34,170 --> 02:22:35,940 work in Dallas have 2876 02:22:35,940 --> 02:22:40,979 for 15 years same job I got tired of spending five hours a 2877 02:22:40,979 --> 02:22:41,500 day in a commute 2878 02:22:41,500 --> 02:22:46,709 to the office I also really enjoyed the idea that maybe I 2879 02:22:46,709 --> 02:22:47,780 could cut that down to 2880 02:22:47,780 --> 02:22:54,670 two and then turn around and spend my cash right here I own 2881 02:22:54,670 --> 02:22:55,819 a car it's not a 2882 02:22:55,819 --> 02:22:59,540 new car it's an old car I don't need anything more than 2883 02:22:59,540 --> 02:23:00,899 that I rent cars 2884 02:23:00,899 --> 02:23:06,600 locally to drive out of the state bike infrastructure going 2885 02:23:06,600 --> 02:23:08,739 forward on all 2886 02:23:08,739 --> 02:23:16,670 plans for roads should be in place just the fact that you 2887 02:23:16,670 --> 02:23:19,540 have two colleges what 2888 02:23:19,540 --> 02:23:22,909 the kids riding around or young adults and then you have 2889 02:23:22,909 --> 02:23:24,180 people like me and the 2890 02:23:24,180 --> 02:23:26,260 guys are showing up here there are people who are not here 2891 02:23:26,260 --> 02:23:26,979 tonight you don't 2892 02:23:26,979 --> 02:23:32,389 even know this is happening I agree that it's frustrating 2893 02:23:32,389 --> 02:23:33,120 to ride along a 2894 02:23:33,120 --> 02:23:38,260 cyclist and blow a stop sign it frustrates me I call them 2895 02:23:38,260 --> 02:23:39,540 out when I can 2896 02:23:39,540 --> 02:23:43,389 what we need to do is enforce the laws we have write more 2897 02:23:43,389 --> 02:23:44,100 tickets to your 2898 02:23:44,100 --> 02:23:48,090 cyclist I'll pay a ticket if I get it just like those guys 2899 02:23:48,090 --> 02:23:49,299 with the license in 2900 02:23:49,299 --> 02:23:58,370 their cars it is a lifestyle in a way I see old ladies who 2901 02:23:58,370 --> 02:23:59,180 smile at me who I 2902 02:23:59,180 --> 02:24:05,979 wouldn't see otherwise if I was in my car I don't have any 2903 02:24:05,979 --> 02:24:08,420 answer to specifics 2904 02:24:08,420 --> 02:24:11,420 this road that road I ride wherever it's the most 2905 02:24:11,420 --> 02:24:12,860 convenient for me and the 2906 02:24:12,860 --> 02:24:16,440 safest I'm sure there's plenty of people you could take a 2907 02:24:16,440 --> 02:24:17,100 poll on and get all 2908 02:24:17,100 --> 02:24:22,500 that information but I do suggest to continue to build 2909 02:24:22,500 --> 02:24:24,459 roads with the idea 2910 02:24:24,459 --> 02:24:27,690 that cyclists and pedestrians are on these roads and their 2911 02:24:27,690 --> 02:24:28,659 safety is at hand 2912 02:24:28,659 --> 02:24:34,420 I loved it and I love the idea that I can ride everywhere I 2913 02:24:34,420 --> 02:24:35,659 can't say that 2914 02:24:35,659 --> 02:24:41,069 enough all year long whether cold a little bit of snow ice 2915 02:24:41,069 --> 02:24:42,659 or not I'm on 2916 02:24:42,659 --> 02:24:47,920 there let's make it safe for everybody thank you thank you 2917 02:24:47,920 --> 02:24:49,780 for your comments 2918 02:24:50,979 --> 02:24:59,489 in the next speaker be guy Klosner followed by Annalisa Var 2919 02:24:59,489 --> 02:25:00,059 gas 2920 02:25:02,780 --> 02:25:10,959 guy Klosner live at 4124 Celine Drive Denton 76209 and let 2921 02:25:10,959 --> 02:25:12,059 's see where to 2922 02:25:12,059 --> 02:25:20,680 start we'll just start with the most recent I work on the 2923 02:25:20,680 --> 02:25:22,860 south side of 2924 02:25:22,860 --> 02:25:30,059 Denton Airport Road also a death trap and there's a very 2925 02:25:30,059 --> 02:25:32,500 short what do you 2926 02:25:32,500 --> 02:25:36,709 call it place where people walk sidewalk very short 2927 02:25:36,709 --> 02:25:38,819 sidewalk that doesn't actually 2928 02:25:38,819 --> 02:25:44,459 go down to the Peterbilt the Tetra Pak the fast and all the 2929 02:25:44,459 --> 02:25:45,659 target distribution 2930 02:25:45,659 --> 02:25:48,690 center the all day distribution center which is further 2931 02:25:48,690 --> 02:25:50,940 down there and I do 2932 02:25:50,940 --> 02:25:55,260 see a lot of people who presumably work down there who are 2933 02:25:55,260 --> 02:25:56,860 walking some people 2934 02:25:56,860 --> 02:26:01,040 who are cycling and that's that's pretty brave to cycle 2935 02:26:01,040 --> 02:26:03,100 there I do it as much as 2936 02:26:03,100 --> 02:26:07,680 I can but of course there are so many trailers that go down 2937 02:26:07,680 --> 02:26:08,979 there a lot and 2938 02:26:08,979 --> 02:26:18,139 the shoulder is maybe this wide and because it hasn't been 2939 02:26:18,139 --> 02:26:19,420 up kept as much 2940 02:26:19,420 --> 02:26:25,659 as one would like there's overgrowth but you know ruins the 2941 02:26:25,659 --> 02:26:28,299 shoulder in some 2942 02:26:28,299 --> 02:26:36,600 places and so yeah that's I would like to see be at least 2943 02:26:36,600 --> 02:26:38,620 you know widens make 2944 02:26:38,620 --> 02:26:43,579 a wider shoulder and the other thing I really wanted to 2945 02:26:43,579 --> 02:26:45,139 point out was that in 2946 02:26:45,139 --> 02:26:52,920 Houston they have on at least all of the 30 mile an hour z 2947 02:26:52,920 --> 02:26:53,899 oned roads that I've 2948 02:26:53,899 --> 02:26:58,059 seen when I was in Houston for a short time they had when 2949 02:26:58,059 --> 02:26:59,540 it when it's like a 2950 02:26:59,540 --> 02:27:03,440 two-lane or more the right lane is like bicycle may use 2951 02:27:03,440 --> 02:27:06,219 full lane which I don't 2952 02:27:06,219 --> 02:27:10,270 see any downside to that like it would let drivers know 2953 02:27:10,270 --> 02:27:12,059 that you know bicycles 2954 02:27:12,059 --> 02:27:14,920 belong on the road there's another lane you can change 2955 02:27:14,920 --> 02:27:17,420 lanes very easily and just 2956 02:27:17,420 --> 02:27:22,000 you know pass the bike and be on your way and not force 2957 02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:23,700 cyclists who are going 2958 02:27:23,700 --> 02:27:30,069 you know up up and down Elm or locust or hickory and oak to 2959 02:27:30,069 --> 02:27:32,659 use the I think they 2960 02:27:32,659 --> 02:27:38,059 call it an urban shoulder or on hickory and oak there are 2961 02:27:38,059 --> 02:27:40,620 bike lanes so yeah 2962 02:27:40,620 --> 02:27:47,090 just a bicycle may use full lane on on two lane 30 mile an 2963 02:27:47,090 --> 02:27:48,020 hour zoned roads 2964 02:27:48,020 --> 02:27:53,340 with with like you know two lanes that would be great and 2965 02:27:53,340 --> 02:27:54,540 you know some well 2966 02:27:54,540 --> 02:27:59,579 wider shoulders where possible would be excellent as well 2967 02:27:59,579 --> 02:28:01,500 what else oh yeah 2968 02:28:01,500 --> 02:28:05,079 Hinkle Hinkle is awful like you need a mountain bike to go 2969 02:28:05,079 --> 02:28:08,020 on Hinkle and that 2970 02:28:08,020 --> 02:28:13,100 just seems like like it was a bike lane on both sides and 2971 02:28:13,100 --> 02:28:14,420 it's just like been 2972 02:28:14,420 --> 02:28:18,340 able to fall into just repair I'd like to see that change 2973 02:28:18,340 --> 02:28:20,459 thanks 2974 02:28:35,780 --> 02:28:39,739 my name is Anna Lisa Vargas I live at 4124 Saline Drive 2975 02:28:39,739 --> 02:28:42,420 Denton Texas 76 209 2976 02:28:42,420 --> 02:28:46,100 I've been commuting by bicycle in Denton since around 2009 2977 02:28:46,100 --> 02:28:47,059 when I started going 2978 02:28:47,059 --> 02:28:53,459 to UNT currently I ride about 50 miles a week from the very 2979 02:28:53,459 --> 02:28:54,219 north side of Denton 2980 02:28:54,219 --> 02:28:59,500 just south of 28 usually to the center of Denton or to kind 2981 02:28:59,500 --> 02:29:00,420 of the south side 2982 02:29:00,420 --> 02:29:05,879 just before you hit 35 I've toured and cycled in multiple 2983 02:29:05,879 --> 02:29:06,459 other cities and 2984 02:29:06,459 --> 02:29:11,649 other countries with varying amounts of infrastructure and 2985 02:29:11,649 --> 02:29:12,940 I echo the sentiments 2986 02:29:12,940 --> 02:29:15,940 that pretty much everyone else here has stated to you guys 2987 02:29:15,940 --> 02:29:17,139 one model that I 2988 02:29:17,139 --> 02:29:22,729 think would be of use is I toured in Scotland for two weeks 2989 02:29:22,729 --> 02:29:24,340 in May this year 2990 02:29:24,340 --> 02:29:28,079 and in the last couple years they have implemented the 2991 02:29:28,079 --> 02:29:30,659 sustainable transit plan 2992 02:29:30,659 --> 02:29:35,559 or they call it Sustrans and part of that was implementing 2993 02:29:35,559 --> 02:29:36,860 bike paths and 2994 02:29:36,860 --> 02:29:40,829 routes in all the cities big and small in Scotland and 2995 02:29:40,829 --> 02:29:42,260 linking those cities 2996 02:29:42,260 --> 02:29:47,110 together and much like here they had a lot of old existing 2997 02:29:47,110 --> 02:29:48,139 infrastructure and 2998 02:29:48,139 --> 02:29:52,100 part of that plan was to figure out how to make bicycle 2999 02:29:52,100 --> 02:29:54,139 routes within that 3000 02:29:54,139 --> 02:29:56,739 existing infrastructure now there was new construction on 3001 02:29:56,739 --> 02:29:57,739 roads implementing 3002 02:29:57,739 --> 02:30:00,290 bike lanes and things like that but one of the major things 3003 02:30:00,290 --> 02:30:01,219 that I noticed there 3004 02:30:01,219 --> 02:30:05,610 would they had numbered routes that had signposts 3005 02:30:05,610 --> 02:30:07,780 throughout the city and 3006 02:30:07,780 --> 02:30:10,370 between cities that's you know were numbered so you were on 3007 02:30:10,370 --> 02:30:11,420 route number five 3008 02:30:11,420 --> 02:30:15,610 and it would kind of guide you along routes that were 3009 02:30:15,610 --> 02:30:17,299 alternative to the 3010 02:30:17,299 --> 02:30:22,629 major routes of transport by cars so these would be kind of 3011 02:30:22,629 --> 02:30:24,260 roundabout ways 3012 02:30:24,260 --> 02:30:29,659 to get throughout towns using lesser known roads and with 3013 02:30:29,659 --> 02:30:30,739 this they didn't 3014 02:30:30,739 --> 02:30:37,059 have to implement like set build separate bike lanes or you 3015 02:30:37,059 --> 02:30:37,940 know things 3016 02:30:37,940 --> 02:30:40,270 that cost a lot of money and take a lot of time to 3017 02:30:40,270 --> 02:30:41,860 implement it was simply just 3018 02:30:41,860 --> 02:30:46,799 rerouting people through safer safer routes and I think 3019 02:30:46,799 --> 02:30:48,180 something like that 3020 02:30:48,180 --> 02:30:53,079 might be of use in Denton along with other proposed changes 3021 02:30:53,079 --> 02:30:54,340 so if you think 3022 02:30:54,340 --> 02:30:57,709 about major places in Denton that people need to get to the 3023 02:30:57,709 --> 02:30:59,420 universities razor 3024 02:30:59,420 --> 02:31:05,020 ranch places on 288 schools if we implemented some sort of 3025 02:31:05,020 --> 02:31:05,620 different route 3026 02:31:05,620 --> 02:31:11,420 system that helped guide people who are not brave enough to 3027 02:31:11,420 --> 02:31:12,979 ride in the current 3028 02:31:12,979 --> 02:31:18,920 map then that might help encourage people to take up 3029 02:31:18,920 --> 02:31:21,180 cycling and meet other 3030 02:31:21,180 --> 02:31:26,399 cyclists in a common in a common route so I think that 3031 02:31:26,399 --> 02:31:28,659 should be something that 3032 02:31:28,659 --> 02:31:31,809 y'all should consider and look at more closely as the Cest 3033 02:31:31,809 --> 02:31:32,899 rans model that was 3034 02:31:32,899 --> 02:31:39,180 implemented in Scotland thanks thank you I don't see any 3035 02:31:39,180 --> 02:31:40,100 questions appreciate 3036 02:31:40,100 --> 02:31:44,950 your comments I'm going to circle back around to Naomi 3037 02:31:44,950 --> 02:31:46,620 would you don't know if 3038 02:31:46,620 --> 02:31:53,370 she's come back or not no I'll just read her comments into 3039 02:31:53,370 --> 02:31:54,299 the record then she 3040 02:31:54,299 --> 02:31:58,350 did wish to speak she marked her card is in opposition I 3041 02:31:58,350 --> 02:31:59,659 want more protected 3042 02:31:59,659 --> 02:32:02,659 barrier lanes that make it easier for me and my child to 3043 02:32:02,659 --> 02:32:03,620 make it to school 3044 02:32:03,620 --> 02:32:13,180 safely every day my next card is from Brett Gabriel wishing 3045 02:32:13,180 --> 02:32:18,780 to speak again 3046 02:32:18,780 --> 02:32:21,110 this is going to public hearing if you'd like to speak 3047 02:32:21,110 --> 02:32:22,180 please fill out a yellow 3048 02:32:22,180 --> 02:32:24,700 card I have one more that does not wish to speak so this 3049 02:32:24,700 --> 02:32:26,420 will be our last person 3050 02:32:26,420 --> 02:32:29,110 that wishes to speak that's filled out a yellow card so if 3051 02:32:29,110 --> 02:32:30,020 you would like to 3052 02:32:30,020 --> 02:32:32,510 speak on this item please fill out a yellow card and bring 3053 02:32:32,510 --> 02:32:33,180 that up front 3054 02:32:33,180 --> 02:32:38,030 thank you sir hi there I'm Brett Gabriel I live at 1023 3055 02:32:38,030 --> 02:32:39,540 South Welch Street here 3056 02:32:39,540 --> 02:32:46,829 in Denton Texas zip code 76 201 I came to Denton to attend 3057 02:32:46,829 --> 02:32:48,299 UNT about five years 3058 02:32:48,299 --> 02:32:52,420 ago now love the city it's I came from Houston and I 3059 02:32:52,420 --> 02:32:53,500 considered a bit of a step 3060 02:32:53,500 --> 02:33:00,840 up but when I first came here I wasn't I didn't ride bikes 3061 02:33:00,840 --> 02:33:01,540 at all it wasn't 3062 02:33:01,540 --> 02:33:06,059 something I did but as I settled into my life here and 3063 02:33:06,059 --> 02:33:07,340 where I was living at the 3064 02:33:07,340 --> 02:33:11,750 time it and you know needing to get to school I had I would 3065 02:33:11,750 --> 02:33:12,459 have to drive 3066 02:33:12,459 --> 02:33:14,600 somewhere and I didn't want to pay for parking so I'd park 3067 02:33:14,600 --> 02:33:15,780 somewhere off campus 3068 02:33:15,780 --> 02:33:18,780 and take the bus in and it it took a lot of time getting 3069 02:33:18,780 --> 02:33:19,739 the class I had to 3070 02:33:19,739 --> 02:33:24,190 accommodate a lot for that and I decided to give cycling a 3071 02:33:24,190 --> 02:33:25,420 try I saw people on 3072 02:33:25,420 --> 02:33:28,420 bikes you know just going around town going around campus 3073 02:33:28,420 --> 02:33:30,459 and I started doing 3074 02:33:30,459 --> 02:33:33,459 that and I actually found that I was able to get from my 3075 02:33:33,459 --> 02:33:34,500 apartment at the 3076 02:33:34,500 --> 02:33:38,739 time to class or to work which was chicken express right 3077 02:33:38,739 --> 02:33:39,940 there on Eagle I 3078 02:33:39,940 --> 02:33:46,659 was able to get to work in less time and I found a doing so 3079 02:33:46,659 --> 02:33:48,500 riding to work or 3080 02:33:48,500 --> 02:33:51,229 class instead of just driving it improves my health and I 3081 02:33:51,229 --> 02:33:52,299 feel like that's 3082 02:33:52,299 --> 02:33:55,159 a story that'll be very common for that you'll hear from 3083 02:33:55,159 --> 02:33:56,340 other cyclists if you 3084 02:33:56,340 --> 02:34:00,750 ever you know get their take on it so for me cycling was 3085 02:34:00,750 --> 02:34:02,340 very important and I 3086 02:34:02,340 --> 02:34:06,420 would like to see it grow in the city where I started 3087 02:34:06,420 --> 02:34:09,260 riding just kind of add 3088 02:34:09,260 --> 02:34:13,319 to that earlier today while I was riding home I this was on 3089 02:34:13,319 --> 02:34:14,819 Welch Street and 3090 02:34:14,819 --> 02:34:17,850 approaching Eagle I was almost hit by a car wasn't actually 3091 02:34:17,850 --> 02:34:18,899 hit nothing happened 3092 02:34:18,899 --> 02:34:21,760 I was able to get their attention in time but they almost 3093 02:34:21,760 --> 02:34:22,420 turned out of a 3094 02:34:22,420 --> 02:34:25,420 parking lot and to me as I was riding down the road in the 3095 02:34:25,420 --> 02:34:26,500 right lane so they 3096 02:34:26,500 --> 02:34:29,500 pretty much across the entire road to almost hit me I feel 3097 02:34:29,500 --> 02:34:30,860 that there is a 3098 02:34:30,860 --> 02:34:35,010 lack of education which was brought up earlier and I feel 3099 02:34:35,010 --> 02:34:37,219 when you want to if 3100 02:34:37,219 --> 02:34:40,530 you want to teach people how to you know and to act 3101 02:34:40,530 --> 02:34:42,739 appropriately around cyclists 3102 02:34:42,739 --> 02:34:46,049 or how cyclists should behave on the road I think it'd be 3103 02:34:46,049 --> 02:34:46,899 very important to 3104 02:34:46,899 --> 02:34:49,899 work with the universities on that on that kind of thing 3105 02:34:49,899 --> 02:34:50,940 they're bringing on a 3106 02:34:50,940 --> 02:34:53,340 lot of new students such as myself and when I first started 3107 02:34:53,340 --> 02:34:54,059 I didn't really 3108 02:34:54,059 --> 02:34:57,100 know what I was doing I was pulled over a few times for not 3109 02:34:57,100 --> 02:34:58,459 having lights given 3110 02:34:58,459 --> 02:35:01,319 the warning since I was new but I feel like that's that's 3111 02:35:01,319 --> 02:35:02,459 the right thing to do 3112 02:35:02,459 --> 02:35:06,899 and I have I have run a stop I have run stop signs in the 3113 02:35:06,899 --> 02:35:07,940 past I'm guilty of 3114 02:35:07,940 --> 02:35:11,010 that and I've been ticketed for that and it was the right 3115 02:35:11,010 --> 02:35:12,819 thing I wasn't being 3116 02:35:12,819 --> 02:35:15,899 safe and I've learned my lessons since then and I try to 3117 02:35:15,899 --> 02:35:18,360 follow as many of the 3118 02:35:18,360 --> 02:35:23,379 traffic laws as I can while still keeping my safety in mind 3119 02:35:23,379 --> 02:35:25,100 thank you thank 3120 02:35:25,100 --> 02:35:30,139 you I don't have any questions from anybody thank you sir 3121 02:35:30,139 --> 02:35:30,700 appreciate your 3122 02:35:30,700 --> 02:35:37,020 comments the last card I have this evening is from Brandon 3123 02:35:37,020 --> 02:35:39,219 Babbitt 2500 West 3124 02:35:39,219 --> 02:35:46,010 Hickory apartment 24 in support supports addition of bike 3125 02:35:46,010 --> 02:35:47,620 lane mandates and 3126 02:35:47,620 --> 02:35:51,340 future road construction in the mobility plan as an active 3127 02:35:51,340 --> 02:35:51,979 cyclist who 3128 02:35:51,979 --> 02:35:57,639 lives on biking that's the last card I have so far this is 3129 02:35:57,639 --> 02:35:58,500 a public hearing 3130 02:35:58,500 --> 02:36:01,129 anyone else that would like to speak please come forward 3131 02:36:01,129 --> 02:36:01,940 and then you can 3132 02:36:01,940 --> 02:36:07,370 fill out a yellow card after your comments please come to 3133 02:36:07,370 --> 02:36:09,860 the microphone if 3134 02:36:09,860 --> 02:36:12,190 you will give us your name and address and when you're 3135 02:36:12,190 --> 02:36:13,219 finished you can fill 3136 02:36:13,219 --> 02:36:16,879 out a yellow card over here thank you my name is my name is 3137 02:36:16,879 --> 02:36:18,139 my name is Francis 3138 02:36:18,139 --> 02:36:24,780 Chen I'm at 709 Chateau Court 76209 a lot of speakers have 3139 02:36:24,780 --> 02:36:25,420 spoken very 3140 02:36:25,420 --> 02:36:29,430 eloquently and very in with a lot of passion as far as how 3141 02:36:29,430 --> 02:36:30,700 they feel about 3142 02:36:30,700 --> 02:36:34,420 the infrastructure as well as as a typical end user of so 3143 02:36:34,420 --> 02:36:35,500 many services 3144 02:36:35,500 --> 02:36:40,350 it's I use what I see I started out as a person with no car 3145 02:36:40,350 --> 02:36:41,540 and only a bicycle 3146 02:36:41,540 --> 02:36:46,190 now I drive a station wagon and I and I and I cycle for for 3147 02:36:46,190 --> 02:36:48,340 pleasure the one 3148 02:36:48,340 --> 02:36:52,819 thing that I haven't heard as concretely that I'd like to 3149 02:36:52,819 --> 02:36:54,340 put on the table is is 3150 02:36:54,340 --> 02:36:59,190 I've lived in San Marcos and in Austin which is largely a 3151 02:36:59,190 --> 02:37:00,299 bicycle friendly 3152 02:37:00,299 --> 02:37:04,590 communities both of them having said that the the 3153 02:37:04,590 --> 02:37:06,139 philosophical take there is 3154 02:37:06,139 --> 02:37:09,559 is your illegal user of the road so you obey the rules and 3155 02:37:09,559 --> 02:37:10,579 you get the right to 3156 02:37:10,579 --> 02:37:13,889 the road what I applaud about the city of Denton and I hope 3157 02:37:13,889 --> 02:37:14,819 Denton doesn't sit 3158 02:37:14,819 --> 02:37:18,319 sit on his laurels and continues to grow in this is that it 3159 02:37:18,319 --> 02:37:19,899 actually advocates and 3160 02:37:19,899 --> 02:37:22,229 looks out for the cyclists and that's what I've been seeing 3161 02:37:22,229 --> 02:37:22,899 in the last few 3162 02:37:22,899 --> 02:37:27,469 years and that's the comment that I wanted to make I have 3163 02:37:27,469 --> 02:37:28,659 one question for 3164 02:37:28,659 --> 02:37:32,350 you not a question Commissioner Detowitz not it's not a 3165 02:37:32,350 --> 02:37:33,979 question I can hold my 3166 02:37:33,979 --> 02:37:41,610 comments till after public oh sir for your comments in this 3167 02:37:41,610 --> 02:37:42,620 public hearing 3168 02:37:42,620 --> 02:37:48,170 anybody who would like to speak please come down state your 3169 02:37:48,170 --> 02:37:49,420 name and address 3170 02:37:49,420 --> 02:37:51,750 and then after your comments if you'll fill out a yellow 3171 02:37:51,750 --> 02:37:52,659 card appreciate it 3172 02:37:52,659 --> 02:37:56,170 where's brand new prey I live at a 1002 North Bonnie Bray 3173 02:37:56,170 --> 02:37:58,180 Street in Texas I'm an 3174 02:37:58,180 --> 02:38:01,229 owner of a bicycle shop called Sprockets Bicycle Shop we 3175 02:38:01,229 --> 02:38:02,899 started five years ago I 3176 02:38:02,899 --> 02:38:06,020 moved here about seven eight years ago for school and I 3177 02:38:06,020 --> 02:38:07,979 mean we started at a 3178 02:38:07,979 --> 02:38:10,690 little hole in the wall spot we're paying 900 bucks didn't 3179 02:38:10,690 --> 02:38:11,139 have AC or 3180 02:38:11,139 --> 02:38:16,360 anything I think we grossed probably 15,000 that year now 3181 02:38:16,360 --> 02:38:18,180 we're about ten 3182 02:38:18,180 --> 02:38:21,649 times that I have these stories are countless of people who 3183 02:38:21,649 --> 02:38:22,620 have come Denton 3184 02:38:22,620 --> 02:38:27,649 from a you know suburban wasteland and and discovered a new 3185 02:38:27,649 --> 02:38:29,100 lease on life or a 3186 02:38:29,100 --> 02:38:32,489 new a new way of getting around new way of just you know 3187 02:38:32,489 --> 02:38:33,700 exploring their their 3188 02:38:33,700 --> 02:38:37,379 surroundings and I think would be a real shame to to not 3189 02:38:37,379 --> 02:38:38,739 kind of see and take the 3190 02:38:38,739 --> 02:38:42,809 progressive stance as to see a society you know least 3191 02:38:42,809 --> 02:38:44,739 locally that we can kind 3192 02:38:44,739 --> 02:38:47,739 of see that would see kind of passive petroleum kind of 3193 02:38:47,739 --> 02:38:49,420 base economy and I 3194 02:38:49,420 --> 02:38:52,420 think that you know the success of my business and 3195 02:38:52,420 --> 02:38:53,940 everything that the city 3196 02:38:53,940 --> 02:38:56,940 of Denton has given for me just means that I want to you 3197 02:38:56,940 --> 02:38:57,700 know be able to 3198 02:38:57,700 --> 02:39:00,270 support that and and I think that owning a bike shop and 3199 02:39:00,270 --> 02:39:01,340 you know supporting the 3200 02:39:01,340 --> 02:39:04,200 the local community is the best way I could do that thank 3201 02:39:04,200 --> 02:39:07,739 you thank you 3202 02:39:09,260 --> 02:39:13,329 against public hearing anyone who'd like to speak please 3203 02:39:13,329 --> 02:39:16,260 come down at this time 3204 02:39:20,579 --> 02:39:23,680 seeing no one else I'm going to close the public hearing 3205 02:39:23,680 --> 02:39:26,180 and I will open the 3206 02:39:26,180 --> 02:39:33,670 floor for discussion or emotion commissioner Dudowitz thank 3207 02:39:33,670 --> 02:39:34,459 you chair 3208 02:39:34,459 --> 02:39:37,670 just some comments to the biking community and to the 3209 02:39:37,670 --> 02:39:39,700 general public but 3210 02:39:39,700 --> 02:39:45,540 first I was a biker bicycles so my daughter decided my bike 3211 02:39:45,540 --> 02:39:46,020 was better than 3212 02:39:46,020 --> 02:39:48,879 hers and I haven't seen my bicycle in three years now I 3213 02:39:48,879 --> 02:39:50,979 plan to get it back 3214 02:39:50,979 --> 02:39:55,049 number a couple of things that that we as a commission over 3215 02:39:55,049 --> 02:39:56,299 the years and I'm 3216 02:39:56,299 --> 02:39:59,129 sure it's been longer for some of the commissioners up here 3217 02:39:59,129 --> 02:40:00,260 than myself we've 3218 02:40:00,260 --> 02:40:05,489 been wrestling with this day-to-day frustration streets and 3219 02:40:05,489 --> 02:40:06,579 congestion and 3220 02:40:06,579 --> 02:40:10,120 one of the things that was eye-opening to me early on to 3221 02:40:10,120 --> 02:40:11,700 come to find that most 3222 02:40:11,700 --> 02:40:16,180 of our major streets and thoroughfares in Denton are owned 3223 02:40:16,180 --> 02:40:17,459 by county or the 3224 02:40:17,459 --> 02:40:21,379 state so those death traps out there that you talk about 3225 02:40:21,379 --> 02:40:22,739 also affect us car 3226 02:40:22,739 --> 02:40:30,000 owners to yeah McKinney Teasley University Drive state- 3227 02:40:30,000 --> 02:40:31,219 owned and 3228 02:40:31,219 --> 02:40:34,819 maintained and what they want to do with those is their 3229 02:40:34,819 --> 02:40:36,260 rights and we've had 3230 02:40:36,260 --> 02:40:40,370 frustrations with that as we looked at many times of road 3231 02:40:40,370 --> 02:40:41,899 conditions but I must 3232 02:40:41,899 --> 02:40:44,340 say that when we get an opportunity this commission has 3233 02:40:44,340 --> 02:40:45,500 asked for bicycle racks 3234 02:40:45,500 --> 02:40:50,350 thanks to miss Briegel and every development that we see 3235 02:40:50,350 --> 02:40:51,459 having said 3236 02:40:51,459 --> 02:40:57,379 that we're still measuring in on this issue because this is 3237 02:40:57,379 --> 02:40:58,860 a big in all of 3238 02:40:58,860 --> 02:41:02,170 our discussions if we in fact this mobility plan has been 3239 02:41:02,170 --> 02:41:03,020 in front of us 3240 02:41:03,020 --> 02:41:07,500 under how many months months and so we've addressed and 3241 02:41:07,500 --> 02:41:08,260 readdressed and 3242 02:41:08,260 --> 02:41:12,180 addressed it again and again I'm not sure where we are 3243 02:41:12,180 --> 02:41:13,540 exactly but let you 3244 02:41:13,540 --> 02:41:17,079 know that from to the public we hear you and taking a lot 3245 02:41:17,079 --> 02:41:17,940 of that into 3246 02:41:17,940 --> 02:41:20,940 consideration the road conditions for instance I mean I 3247 02:41:20,940 --> 02:41:22,020 know what you have to 3248 02:41:22,020 --> 02:41:24,420 go through because we have to drive over them also and have 3249 02:41:24,420 --> 02:41:25,180 to walk on them and 3250 02:41:25,180 --> 02:41:27,540 they're not great I can't imagine what they're like for 3251 02:41:27,540 --> 02:41:28,700 bicycles it's 3252 02:41:28,700 --> 02:41:32,760 something that we we bring up as much as we can so we're 3253 02:41:32,760 --> 02:41:34,100 with you in that respect 3254 02:41:34,100 --> 02:41:37,760 and any comments you bring to us we take seriously so thank 3255 02:41:37,760 --> 02:41:38,340 you for for 3256 02:41:38,340 --> 02:41:43,840 participating and giving us your comments Commissioner Rose 3257 02:41:43,840 --> 02:41:44,819 lle thank you 3258 02:41:44,819 --> 02:41:48,420 chair I first just wanted to say thank you for everyone to 3259 02:41:48,420 --> 02:41:49,059 show up and 3260 02:41:49,059 --> 02:41:52,370 comments it was especially helpful to me to hear the 3261 02:41:52,370 --> 02:41:54,059 context in which you each 3262 02:41:54,059 --> 02:41:59,469 encounter the pedestrian and bicyclist traffic to that end 3263 02:41:59,469 --> 02:42:00,700 I want to throw out 3264 02:42:00,700 --> 02:42:03,700 maybe to Commissioner Briegel or to someone else in the 3265 02:42:03,700 --> 02:42:04,819 Commission two weeks 3266 02:42:04,819 --> 02:42:07,649 ago and this came to the Commission there was no one in 3267 02:42:07,649 --> 02:42:08,379 attendance for 3268 02:42:08,379 --> 02:42:12,899 bicycle advocacy and it seemed as though there's some 3269 02:42:12,899 --> 02:42:13,659 statements in the work 3270 02:42:13,659 --> 02:42:16,729 session last week that spawned some involvement this week 3271 02:42:16,729 --> 02:42:17,620 which I think is 3272 02:42:17,620 --> 02:42:20,620 great but I wonder if there's a way that we can be more 3273 02:42:20,620 --> 02:42:22,260 directly out there for 3274 02:42:22,260 --> 02:42:25,840 y'all so that that we doesn't come to a postponement then a 3275 02:42:25,840 --> 02:42:28,059 Facebook group to 3276 02:42:28,059 --> 02:42:30,920 get this level of support I would have loved to seen two 3277 02:42:30,920 --> 02:42:32,059 weeks ago and if this 3278 02:42:32,059 --> 02:42:34,889 comes up again in the future you all be aware and someone 3279 02:42:34,889 --> 02:42:35,899 mentioned that that you 3280 02:42:35,899 --> 02:42:38,899 had friends that weren't aware of what was going on and I 3281 02:42:38,899 --> 02:42:40,260 just I would suggest 3282 02:42:40,260 --> 02:42:43,700 if there's a way that we can get to the bike community 3283 02:42:43,700 --> 02:42:45,379 better because again this 3284 02:42:45,379 --> 02:42:48,079 was helpful for me to hear and I'm thankful that y'all came 3285 02:42:48,079 --> 02:42:48,780 and provided 3286 02:42:48,780 --> 02:42:52,090 that context to me personally and so I just wanted to see 3287 02:42:52,090 --> 02:42:52,860 if there's a 3288 02:42:52,860 --> 02:42:56,540 disconnect that can be remedied in terms of getting y'all 3289 02:42:56,540 --> 02:42:58,899 more vocal more often 3290 02:42:58,899 --> 02:43:01,989 in these discussions and the second thing I wanted to talk 3291 02:43:01,989 --> 02:43:02,620 about real 3292 02:43:02,620 --> 02:43:06,170 briefly is there's there's counter talk earlier about a 3293 02:43:06,170 --> 02:43:07,299 hundred percent 3294 02:43:07,299 --> 02:43:10,299 feasibility and whether that's pie in the sky or a 3295 02:43:10,299 --> 02:43:11,819 legitimate goal and to be 3296 02:43:11,819 --> 02:43:14,680 honest I don't know it seems a little idealistic but 3297 02:43:14,680 --> 02:43:15,340 nevertheless maybe 3298 02:43:15,340 --> 02:43:18,360 something we strive for but that's it to that end miss Var 3299 02:43:18,360 --> 02:43:19,180 gas brought up a great 3300 02:43:19,180 --> 02:43:25,149 point of bike routes being a potential solution and I don't 3301 02:43:25,149 --> 02:43:26,059 know about the bike 3302 02:43:26,059 --> 02:43:29,180 plan and maybe someone who's on that committee could speak 3303 02:43:29,180 --> 02:43:30,020 to if there was 3304 02:43:30,020 --> 02:43:34,739 the idea of carving out popular routes as a priority in 3305 02:43:34,739 --> 02:43:37,059 terms of the mobility 3306 02:43:37,059 --> 02:43:40,799 plan to see if we can see the high traffic and target those 3307 02:43:40,799 --> 02:43:41,739 and to Mr. 3308 02:43:41,739 --> 02:43:44,739 Dudowitz point the ones that we can control if there's ways 3309 02:43:44,739 --> 02:43:45,340 that we can 3310 02:43:45,340 --> 02:43:50,190 intervene and prioritize based on maybe some ideal routes 3311 02:43:50,190 --> 02:43:52,180 through the city I'm 3312 02:43:52,180 --> 02:43:54,700 asking more questions and I'm providing solutions for I 3313 02:43:54,700 --> 02:43:55,659 understand but I just 3314 02:43:55,659 --> 02:43:59,860 wanted to put those two points out there I'd like to 3315 02:43:59,860 --> 02:44:01,620 address your first 3316 02:44:01,620 --> 02:44:05,719 point I think the reason why a lot of people didn't know is 3317 02:44:05,719 --> 02:44:06,540 because this was 3318 02:44:06,540 --> 02:44:11,610 not noticed for the bicycle and pedestrian component of the 3319 02:44:11,610 --> 02:44:12,219 mobility 3320 02:44:12,219 --> 02:44:17,540 plan this was only noticed for the addition of the roadways 3321 02:44:17,540 --> 02:44:18,940 so I think that 3322 02:44:18,940 --> 02:44:23,399 we would be out of line to tie a condition for the bicycle 3323 02:44:23,399 --> 02:44:24,579 component to 3324 02:44:24,579 --> 02:44:29,430 this particular item that we have on the agenda now if you 3325 02:44:29,430 --> 02:44:31,100 want to see that on 3326 02:44:31,100 --> 02:44:35,040 the project matrix to have it come up for discussion on 3327 02:44:35,040 --> 02:44:36,379 amendment of the 3328 02:44:36,379 --> 02:44:39,600 bicycle component then we can do that at a later time but 3329 02:44:39,600 --> 02:44:40,780 for the item that we 3330 02:44:40,780 --> 02:44:44,629 have on today it's only as to the updated road provisions 3331 02:44:44,629 --> 02:44:45,700 that we have in 3332 02:44:45,700 --> 02:44:49,500 the packet unfortunately I see a lot of people came out 3333 02:44:49,500 --> 02:44:50,500 today and it's truly 3334 02:44:50,500 --> 02:44:54,100 appreciated but might be used a little bit later when we 3335 02:44:54,100 --> 02:44:55,420 can take up that issue 3336 02:44:55,420 --> 02:44:58,420 but right now I don't think that we can take up that issue 3337 02:44:58,420 --> 02:45:00,139 not only that but it 3338 02:45:00,139 --> 02:45:04,989 would also require an amendment to the DDC what you're 3339 02:45:04,989 --> 02:45:05,340 proposing 3340 02:45:05,340 --> 02:45:09,000 Commissioner Brigham thank you chair so that segues into 3341 02:45:09,000 --> 02:45:10,059 what my question was 3342 02:45:10,059 --> 02:45:13,440 going to be because what I'm hearing from the public is 3343 02:45:13,440 --> 02:45:14,780 that they don't have 3344 02:45:14,780 --> 02:45:19,879 many or any major concerns with the where the roads are 3345 02:45:19,879 --> 02:45:21,940 going in fact the 3346 02:45:21,940 --> 02:45:24,959 the concerns that were brought up a few weeks ago by some 3347 02:45:24,959 --> 02:45:26,620 citizens about how the 3348 02:45:26,620 --> 02:45:30,469 proximity of post oak to Clear Creek has that's been remed 3349 02:45:30,469 --> 02:45:31,739 ied that's been moved 3350 02:45:31,739 --> 02:45:36,670 further west and there's some support for that that route 3351 02:45:36,670 --> 02:45:37,579 as well for post oak 3352 02:45:37,579 --> 02:45:43,079 but what I'm hearing from the public is that that they they 3353 02:45:43,079 --> 02:45:45,020 do want going back to 3354 02:45:45,020 --> 02:45:51,809 my questions with PS about adding requiring bike lanes to 3355 02:45:51,809 --> 02:45:52,739 be or bike 3356 02:45:52,739 --> 02:45:56,420 accommodations to be added to the design criteria manual 3357 02:45:56,420 --> 02:45:58,139 can that be an 3358 02:45:58,139 --> 02:46:04,079 amendment to our our mobility plan no it has to those 3359 02:46:04,079 --> 02:46:05,860 actually require a certain 3360 02:46:05,860 --> 02:46:10,799 process within our code and there is a specific process for 3361 02:46:10,799 --> 02:46:12,299 amending criteria 3362 02:46:12,299 --> 02:46:15,510 manual that can be done and then also the bicycle component 3363 02:46:15,510 --> 02:46:16,500 can come in front 3364 02:46:16,500 --> 02:46:19,500 of you for the mobility plane we just have to notice it 3365 02:46:19,500 --> 02:46:20,899 properly that would be 3366 02:46:20,899 --> 02:46:23,350 another public hearing that would be another that point how 3367 02:46:23,350 --> 02:46:24,459 long would that 3368 02:46:24,459 --> 02:46:26,729 take for something like that to come to us like if we're 3369 02:46:26,729 --> 02:46:27,860 approving the mobility 3370 02:46:27,860 --> 02:46:33,459 plan tonight I just I don't want us to get behind again so 3371 02:46:33,459 --> 02:46:34,459 how long would it 3372 02:46:34,459 --> 02:46:36,459 take to bring something like that maybe that's a question 3373 02:46:36,459 --> 02:46:38,739 yeah maybe we can 3374 02:46:38,739 --> 02:46:41,969 bring that up when we do our future agenda tonight and we 3375 02:46:41,969 --> 02:46:43,219 can add that as an 3376 02:46:43,219 --> 02:46:46,700 item to the matrix and then we can get with staff on a time 3377 02:46:46,700 --> 02:46:47,620 frame to do that 3378 02:46:47,620 --> 02:46:56,579 suggestion okay well I want you to know this is all this 3379 02:46:56,579 --> 02:46:58,340 was all heard and you 3380 02:46:58,340 --> 02:47:00,260 know we have our bicycle and pedestrian coordinators 3381 02:47:00,260 --> 02:47:01,379 sitting in here this evening 3382 02:47:01,379 --> 02:47:04,750 we have a council person sitting in here this evening and 3383 02:47:04,750 --> 02:47:06,020 and when we get to the 3384 02:47:06,020 --> 02:47:08,549 end of tonight's meeting when we can request items for a 3385 02:47:08,549 --> 02:47:09,540 future consideration 3386 02:47:09,540 --> 02:47:14,010 you can be assured that I will ask for this to be to be 3387 02:47:14,010 --> 02:47:15,860 considered and if you'd 3388 02:47:15,860 --> 02:47:18,860 like to come again that's great if not I want you to know I 3389 02:47:18,860 --> 02:47:20,059 heard you and I will 3390 02:47:20,059 --> 02:47:23,909 remember each and every one of your faces and the things 3391 02:47:23,909 --> 02:47:25,899 that you said to 3392 02:47:25,899 --> 02:47:28,909 answer your question earlier though Commissioner Rozelle 3393 02:47:28,909 --> 02:47:30,260 about bike paths I 3394 02:47:30,260 --> 02:47:33,739 don't recall when I served on the bike plan task force 3395 02:47:33,739 --> 02:47:35,100 there being a discussion 3396 02:47:35,100 --> 02:47:40,399 about bike paths through the city we note well not we have 3397 02:47:40,399 --> 02:47:41,540 we have one just 3398 02:47:41,540 --> 02:47:44,979 one remember the old railroad Commissioner Dudowitz oh yes 3399 02:47:44,979 --> 02:47:45,700 thank you 3400 02:47:45,700 --> 02:47:49,319 oh my gosh we're here to Lake Dallas I mean yeah I think is 3401 02:47:49,319 --> 02:47:50,260 what the concept is 3402 02:47:50,260 --> 02:47:53,260 there is a dedicated bike path yeah goes rural but you are 3403 02:47:53,260 --> 02:47:54,780 allowed to cross off 3404 02:47:54,780 --> 02:47:57,780 and go into you know is it a city and stuff like yeah the 3405 02:47:57,780 --> 02:47:58,819 focus really was on 3406 02:47:58,819 --> 02:48:02,190 how to retrofit where we have what retrofit bike 3407 02:48:02,190 --> 02:48:04,059 accommodations on the roads 3408 02:48:04,059 --> 02:48:07,290 that we have but you're right the rail trail is absolutely 3409 02:48:07,290 --> 02:48:08,299 a fantastic one it 3410 02:48:08,299 --> 02:48:12,239 goes right through the heart of Denton so that's all I have 3411 02:48:12,239 --> 02:48:12,579 to say thank you 3412 02:48:12,579 --> 02:48:16,059 Commissioner Beck yes thank you chair I just want to join 3413 02:48:16,059 --> 02:48:17,739 all my fellow 3414 02:48:17,739 --> 02:48:20,569 commissioners and thanking everyone y'all for coming out 3415 02:48:20,569 --> 02:48:21,899 tonight this is an 3416 02:48:21,899 --> 02:48:26,139 enthusiastic to see I'm a biker I'm not a real professional 3417 02:48:26,139 --> 02:48:27,059 you know get on the 3418 02:48:27,059 --> 02:48:30,149 road type stuff but I like to bike around my little town or 3419 02:48:30,149 --> 02:48:30,479 and I enjoy it 3420 02:48:30,479 --> 02:48:32,489 and I've always been like that so I am a little 3421 02:48:32,489 --> 02:48:34,020 disappointed to hear that we can 3422 02:48:34,020 --> 02:48:37,459 we can't put an amendment to this thing tonight but I will 3423 02:48:37,459 --> 02:48:38,819 thoroughly be with 3424 02:48:38,819 --> 02:48:42,790 Commissioner Briegel to get something on the agenda as soon 3425 02:48:42,790 --> 02:48:43,540 as we can and back 3426 02:48:43,540 --> 02:48:47,459 it completely so again thank you so much for coming out 3427 02:48:47,459 --> 02:48:47,979 tonight 3428 02:48:47,979 --> 02:48:52,379 Commissioner Dudowitz follow-up on Ms. Briegel's comment 3429 02:48:52,379 --> 02:48:53,500 and Larry's about 3430 02:48:53,500 --> 02:48:59,280 where we put this in the process how do I say this maybe it 3431 02:48:59,280 --> 02:49:00,420 's more political than 3432 02:49:00,420 --> 02:49:04,209 anything else but right now when our streets are designed 3433 02:49:04,209 --> 02:49:05,219 and to be built 3434 02:49:05,219 --> 02:49:08,860 there's no oversight the engineering department can build 3435 02:49:08,860 --> 02:49:10,979 what they want when 3436 02:49:10,979 --> 02:49:14,829 they want it and there's no oversight I am proposing I have 3437 02:49:14,829 --> 02:49:15,180 just had 3438 02:49:15,180 --> 02:49:18,420 discussions but it's not yet formalized it that a 3439 02:49:18,420 --> 02:49:20,219 commission such as this or a 3440 02:49:20,219 --> 02:49:24,370 public commission review the plan for logic and for types 3441 02:49:24,370 --> 02:49:25,579 of things that say 3442 02:49:25,579 --> 02:49:28,750 wait a minute where is the bicycle path why are we cutting 3443 02:49:28,750 --> 02:49:29,819 out a entrance to a 3444 02:49:29,819 --> 02:49:32,440 shopping center why are we blocking this and why is that 3445 02:49:32,440 --> 02:49:33,500 media in there because I 3446 02:49:33,500 --> 02:49:37,020 can't have access into this or that and right now there's 3447 02:49:37,020 --> 02:49:38,459 currently no oversight 3448 02:49:38,459 --> 02:49:41,459 for that process now they do take into consideration 3449 02:49:41,459 --> 02:49:43,180 comments made in open 3450 02:49:43,180 --> 02:49:47,100 house discussions or in whatever discussions neighborhood 3451 02:49:47,100 --> 02:49:47,940 discussions 3452 02:49:47,940 --> 02:49:50,940 to have but when they start to break ground there's no 3453 02:49:50,940 --> 02:49:52,379 oversight so I think 3454 02:49:52,379 --> 02:49:55,870 maybe this is a process by which we can you know think and 3455 02:49:55,870 --> 02:49:57,180 put in place that we 3456 02:49:57,180 --> 02:49:59,879 have people that ask where are the bicycle paths where are 3457 02:49:59,879 --> 02:50:00,500 the bicycle 3458 02:50:00,500 --> 02:50:03,870 routes in this particular design and sometimes it may or 3459 02:50:03,870 --> 02:50:04,459 may not be 3460 02:50:04,459 --> 02:50:08,030 accommodated but at least we have some oversight some view 3461 02:50:08,030 --> 02:50:09,219 some input to that 3462 02:50:09,219 --> 02:50:12,360 process so I'm looking forward to putting that in place 3463 02:50:12,360 --> 02:50:13,059 within the next 3464 02:50:13,059 --> 02:50:16,500 year and look for some port from various council people as 3465 02:50:16,500 --> 02:50:16,879 well as 3466 02:50:16,879 --> 02:50:23,139 commissioners thank you commissioner Hussbuss thank you so 3467 02:50:23,139 --> 02:50:25,059 again I want to 3468 02:50:25,059 --> 02:50:29,379 echo everyone else's sentiments that the the activity is is 3469 02:50:29,379 --> 02:50:31,379 much appreciated the 3470 02:50:31,379 --> 02:50:35,649 insight very much appreciated I don't know that I have 3471 02:50:35,649 --> 02:50:37,260 three bikes in my 3472 02:50:37,260 --> 02:50:41,200 garage and that's where I stay so it's it really helps me 3473 02:50:41,200 --> 02:50:42,579 because I'm living 3474 02:50:42,579 --> 02:50:46,260 vicariously through you and so the information is as well 3475 02:50:46,260 --> 02:50:48,219 received and I am 3476 02:50:48,219 --> 02:50:52,409 a I appreciate the difference it makes because I get a 3477 02:50:52,409 --> 02:50:53,739 little closer to trail 3478 02:50:53,739 --> 02:50:56,600 there and I've seen the sense of community the people 3479 02:50:56,600 --> 02:50:57,700 passing through and 3480 02:50:57,700 --> 02:51:02,549 I enjoy it very much to that end I really would and I don't 3481 02:51:02,549 --> 02:51:03,860 know who kind 3482 02:51:03,860 --> 02:51:08,340 of facilitates this city see why and then also I solicit 3483 02:51:08,340 --> 02:51:09,819 from anyone that 3484 02:51:09,819 --> 02:51:16,079 spoke tonight to email me the the pads through through didn 3485 02:51:16,079 --> 02:51:17,780 't that function 3486 02:51:17,780 --> 02:51:21,379 well because I think I'm more of a practical application my 3487 02:51:21,379 --> 02:51:21,940 mind just 3488 02:51:21,940 --> 02:51:25,530 thinks that way and I think scripture is very busy because 3489 02:51:25,530 --> 02:51:27,180 there's no red lights 3490 02:51:27,180 --> 02:51:29,899 so when I lived on Bonnie Bray and I needed to get from 3491 02:51:29,899 --> 02:51:31,579 here to there quickly 3492 02:51:31,579 --> 02:51:35,360 you go down scripture because you have one stops on there 3493 02:51:35,360 --> 02:51:36,819 by mr. chopsticks and 3494 02:51:36,819 --> 02:51:40,379 then you're good all the way to pass frosty you know so 3495 02:51:40,379 --> 02:51:41,659 those are things that 3496 02:51:41,659 --> 02:51:45,319 we need to I think mr. Briggle touched on it's a cultural 3497 02:51:45,319 --> 02:51:46,299 thing so it's it's 3498 02:51:46,299 --> 02:51:48,870 kind of traffic patterns and flows and and how do we 3499 02:51:48,870 --> 02:51:50,180 incorporate that into a 3500 02:51:50,180 --> 02:51:53,600 good plan that allows bike riders to get to where they're 3501 02:51:53,600 --> 02:51:55,059 going safely so I would 3502 02:51:55,059 --> 02:51:59,909 solicit any information via email on on pathing you know if 3503 02:51:59,909 --> 02:52:00,780 you're riding to 3504 02:52:00,780 --> 02:52:05,239 school this street works well because absent being able to 3505 02:52:05,239 --> 02:52:06,739 get 100% approval 3506 02:52:06,739 --> 02:52:10,479 I would like to be able to speak intelligently about this 3507 02:52:10,479 --> 02:52:11,260 road is one 3508 02:52:11,260 --> 02:52:13,719 that is absolutely key and even when you're looking at the 3509 02:52:13,719 --> 02:52:15,139 mobility plan it 3510 02:52:15,139 --> 02:52:20,819 focuses on new roads that are on neighborhoods that aren't 3511 02:52:20,819 --> 02:52:21,620 here yet so I 3512 02:52:21,620 --> 02:52:25,180 want to look at actual roads that are ongoing that we can 3513 02:52:25,180 --> 02:52:26,540 affect sooner than 3514 02:52:26,540 --> 02:52:30,889 later and have a tangible application to change those 3515 02:52:30,889 --> 02:52:33,100 traffic patterns and with 3516 02:52:33,100 --> 02:52:37,219 that I just need information because I can't the time it'll 3517 02:52:37,219 --> 02:52:38,459 take me to gather 3518 02:52:38,459 --> 02:52:41,530 it myself and it's just not realistic so someone that's 3519 02:52:41,530 --> 02:52:43,659 doing it every day proves 3520 02:52:43,659 --> 02:52:47,510 of great value for me to understand which roads we need to 3521 02:52:47,510 --> 02:52:48,739 focus on and hone 3522 02:52:48,739 --> 02:52:53,870 in on so and I think and yeah and I so I think that's 3523 02:52:53,870 --> 02:52:56,299 everything that jumped out 3524 02:52:56,299 --> 02:52:59,299 of me that I so I don't know who helps with that but I'd 3525 02:52:59,299 --> 02:53:00,979 love to see it thank 3526 02:53:00,979 --> 02:53:06,500 you Commissioner Bruegel thank you chair so I think if we 3527 02:53:06,500 --> 02:53:07,780 're wrapping up the 3528 02:53:07,780 --> 02:53:13,000 discussion I'm ready to make a motion on this but before I 3529 02:53:13,000 --> 02:53:14,180 do I want you to know 3530 02:53:14,180 --> 02:53:19,799 that I am very much committed to seeing that the reality of 3531 02:53:19,799 --> 02:53:21,659 100% of our roads 3532 02:53:21,659 --> 02:53:24,850 having some sort of bike accommodation there you are all 3533 02:53:24,850 --> 02:53:25,979 every one of you in 3534 02:53:25,979 --> 02:53:29,459 this room is a taxpayer you you have paid for these roads 3535 02:53:29,459 --> 02:53:30,299 and every single 3536 02:53:30,299 --> 02:53:33,610 one of you has spoken in favor of more bike accommodations 3537 02:53:33,610 --> 02:53:34,500 so we ought to make 3538 02:53:34,500 --> 02:53:36,920 that a reality we owe that to you the citizens the 3539 02:53:36,920 --> 02:53:38,139 taxpayers to make that 3540 02:53:38,139 --> 02:53:43,100 happen unfortunately I can't I guess legally add that to my 3541 02:53:43,100 --> 02:53:43,700 motion tonight 3542 02:53:43,700 --> 02:53:46,159 but I want you to know I'm gonna bring it up here in a 3543 02:53:46,159 --> 02:53:48,620 minute so I move for 3544 02:53:48,620 --> 02:53:53,700 approval of the mobility plan with that the option of the H 3545 02:53:53,700 --> 02:53:55,360 ickory Creek addition 3546 02:53:55,360 --> 02:54:02,860 to the south and option a for the post oak addition not 3547 02:54:02,860 --> 02:54:04,540 option one but option a 3548 02:54:04,540 --> 02:54:09,020 that takes it north and to the west yeah and that would be 3549 02:54:09,020 --> 02:54:12,020 that's my motion 3550 02:54:15,819 --> 02:54:18,899 just a clarification Commissioner Bruegel what about 3551 02:54:18,899 --> 02:54:21,620 Collins oh pardon me I thank 3552 02:54:21,620 --> 02:54:24,840 you Collins yet thank you chair so Collins was was not 3553 02:54:24,840 --> 02:54:25,840 included in the 3554 02:54:25,840 --> 02:54:29,010 mobility plan for this evening so I would like to also not 3555 02:54:29,010 --> 02:54:29,979 include that in 3556 02:54:29,979 --> 02:54:35,450 my motion thank you for the clarification Commissioner Rose 3557 02:54:35,450 --> 02:54:35,700 lle I 3558 02:54:35,700 --> 02:54:39,899 second the motion as Commissioner Bruegel stated so elo 3559 02:54:39,899 --> 02:54:44,700 quently yes we have a 3560 02:54:44,700 --> 02:54:57,829 first and a second any further discussion or comments no 3561 02:54:57,829 --> 02:55:00,059 more okay I 3562 02:55:00,059 --> 02:55:12,729 will call for a vote on the board the motion passes six to 3563 02:55:12,729 --> 02:55:16,299 zero that will take 3564 02:55:16,299 --> 02:55:26,309 us to our final item for this evening to do our concluding 3565 02:55:26,309 --> 02:55:28,260 items Commissioner 3566 02:55:28,260 --> 02:55:31,819 Bruegel thank you chair I would like something to be added 3567 02:55:31,819 --> 02:55:32,700 to the matrix for 3568 02:55:32,700 --> 02:55:37,639 us to review the design criteria manual to ensure that all 3569 02:55:37,639 --> 02:55:38,739 future road 3570 02:55:38,739 --> 02:55:44,440 construction in Denton requires some bike accommodation in 3571 02:55:44,440 --> 02:55:45,780 addition to 3572 02:55:45,780 --> 02:55:52,180 sidewalks thank you the bicycle component of the mobility 3573 02:55:52,180 --> 02:55:52,780 yes ma'am and 3574 02:55:52,780 --> 02:55:56,700 every review of the bicycle component thank you 3575 02:55:56,700 --> 02:55:59,299 Commissioner Roselle thank you 3576 02:55:59,299 --> 02:56:02,829 chair it is my understanding from Julie Anderson that the 3577 02:56:02,829 --> 02:56:03,940 bike counts that have 3578 02:56:03,940 --> 02:56:06,170 been done over the seven sites back in September would be 3579 02:56:06,170 --> 02:56:07,100 available this month 3580 02:56:07,100 --> 02:56:11,329 I would request a report from perhaps Julie Anderson if it 3581 02:56:11,329 --> 02:56:12,260 's applicable from 3582 02:56:12,260 --> 02:56:17,170 her to provide the the bike counts from that study back in 3583 02:56:17,170 --> 02:56:18,180 September 3584 02:56:23,659 --> 02:56:27,729 Commissioner Bruegel thank you chair I also have meaning to 3585 02:56:27,729 --> 02:56:29,899 bring this up 3586 02:56:29,899 --> 02:56:35,180 there's a tiny house movement that's really taken off in a 3587 02:56:35,180 --> 02:56:36,780 lot of the denser 3588 02:56:36,780 --> 02:56:41,680 urban areas and I'm not quite clear in our development code 3589 02:56:41,680 --> 02:56:43,219 if tiny houses are 3590 02:56:43,219 --> 02:56:43,219 allowed because there's a certain lot coverage that's 3591 02:56:43,219 --> 02:56:49,579 required and I just to 3592 02:56:49,579 --> 02:56:54,010 be clear that these are not necessarily out buildings such 3593 02:56:54,010 --> 02:56:55,260 as like a garage 3594 02:56:55,260 --> 02:56:57,989 apartment but I'm just wondering if we I don't think we 3595 02:56:57,989 --> 02:56:59,100 have anything in our 3596 02:56:59,100 --> 02:57:02,100 development code that clearly defines a tiny house and or 3597 02:57:02,100 --> 02:57:05,059 if they are permissible 3598 02:57:05,059 --> 02:57:08,059 in the city limits I was just kind of curious if we could 3599 02:57:08,059 --> 02:57:10,100 explore that are you 3600 02:57:10,100 --> 02:57:12,350 talking if I could just clarify that for the record are you 3601 02:57:12,350 --> 02:57:13,260 talking about with a 3602 02:57:13,260 --> 02:57:17,040 primary structure or standalone I'm like a grandmother pod 3603 02:57:17,040 --> 02:57:18,379 or no no no no no like 3604 02:57:18,379 --> 02:57:21,569 as a standalone I mean I've seen you probably seen these in 3605 02:57:21,569 --> 02:57:22,299 dense urban 3606 02:57:22,299 --> 02:57:24,489 areas where they have tiny houses kind of all lined up and 3607 02:57:24,489 --> 02:57:25,299 they create little 3608 02:57:25,299 --> 02:57:28,780 neighborhoods of tiny houses so just if we could explore 3609 02:57:28,780 --> 02:57:29,940 that in the future 3610 02:57:29,940 --> 02:57:38,260 thank you any other items for our future agenda 3611 02:57:40,139 --> 02:57:45,129 sure with regard to Commissioner Bruegel and Commissioner 3612 02:57:45,129 --> 02:57:46,299 Roselle's request on 3613 02:57:46,299 --> 02:57:51,940 the information on the design criteria manual the bicycle 3614 02:57:51,940 --> 02:57:53,020 component of the 3615 02:57:53,020 --> 02:57:56,110 mobility plan and the bike counts we will get with the 3616 02:57:56,110 --> 02:57:57,540 relevant departments 3617 02:57:57,540 --> 02:58:00,639 and we will coordinate that activity with them and try and 3618 02:58:00,639 --> 02:58:01,340 get you that 3619 02:58:01,340 --> 02:58:05,260 information so as soon as we have some timelines from them 3620 02:58:05,260 --> 02:58:08,180 coordinate that 3621 02:58:10,860 --> 02:58:15,389 seeing no other comments I'm going to close our planning 3622 02:58:15,389 --> 02:58:16,739 and zoning commission 3623 02:58:16,739 --> 02:58:21,139 meeting tonight at 850 thank you all for coming out and 3624 02:58:21,139 --> 02:58:22,819 sharing your comments