WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.200 Commission work session. This meeting has been duly posted 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:05.000 and we have a quorum 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:08.449 present and I'm going to call the work session to order at 00:00:08.449 --> 00:00:10.519 five o'clock. Our 00:00:10.519 --> 00:00:14.000 first item this evening is going to be to receive 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:15.759 clarification of agenda items 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:19.489 and I'll turn to Manal for the presentation of those. Thank 00:00:19.489 --> 00:00:19.719 you 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:21.800 Commissioner Strange. We're going to go ahead and start 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:22.760 with our plots. We have 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:26.519 two plots on the consent agenda and Mike Bell is going to 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:27.300 present them and 00:00:27.300 --> 00:00:30.620 explain why they're before us tonight. Yeah these might 00:00:30.620 --> 00:00:31.839 look familiar to you. 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:36.289 We've seen this plat before. It was previously approved by 00:00:36.289 --> 00:00:37.920 the P&Z but it 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:41.810 turns out that the owner of this parcel here actually had 00:00:41.810 --> 00:00:43.439 ownership claim to a 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:46.820 strip of about 30 feet in between where Alamo Place ends 00:00:46.820 --> 00:00:47.939 and where they want to 00:00:47.939 --> 00:00:51.840 extend it. So the developer had to go purchase that 30 feet 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:52.600 and now they've 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:54.700 included in this plat and are dedicating it as public right 00:00:54.700 --> 00:00:55.560 of way. So the whole 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:58.350 purpose of this was just to dedicate this little patch a 00:00:58.350 --> 00:00:59.399 public right of way. 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:02.479 But nothing else has changed. It is in the historic 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:04.319 district so they'll be coming 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:08.719 before the HLC to do any building permits. Mike would you 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:09.400 just go over 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:13.959 access on how these lots will be accessed? Yes sure. These 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:15.000 six plots here 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:18.000 facing Oak Street will get access directly from Oak Street 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:18.680 but through 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:23.319 shared access driveways and then these four lots in the 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:24.640 back will get each get 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:28.640 their own access off of the Alamo Place cul-de-sac. 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:30.680 Commissioner back. Thank you. 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:35.140 What is block A? Is that just for maybe future use to break 00:01:35.140 --> 00:01:35.920 down into smaller 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:38.709 lots or has that got a purpose now? No the entire subdiv 00:01:38.709 --> 00:01:40.519 ision is block A. So if 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:45.120 they were typical symbology for plats is if there's a road 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:47.079 way dividing two pieces 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:50.159 of property one be block A and one be block B and each lot 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:50.879 within that block 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:54.879 has a number. So block A lot 1 through 10, block B lot 1 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:55.959 through 10. Okay so they can be 00:01:55.959 --> 00:02:00.319 broken down into smaller plots. Thanks. 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:05.760 For clarification. Commissioner Rossell. Were you speaking 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:06.359 specifically of the 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:11.860 larger lot 10 within block A? Yes. Block A yeah the big. 00:02:11.860 --> 00:02:13.120 You're speaking 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:16.569 specifically of lot 10. Is there a reason why lot 10 is so 00:02:16.569 --> 00:02:18.639 much more sizable? This is the 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:22.719 original owner and he's keeping it for himself. Gotcha. 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:27.750 Thank you Mike and then of course this is the preliminary 00:02:27.750 --> 00:02:29.400 plot and then you have 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:35.409 the final plot that follows. We're just hearing them. We 00:02:35.409 --> 00:02:38.159 also have we can move 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:43.090 forward with our SUP request a specific use permit for a 00:02:43.090 --> 00:02:44.199 multifamily development. 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:46.930 Mike is going to walk us through this one and address all 00:02:46.930 --> 00:02:47.719 the questions that 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:51.610 you may have regarding this request. Thank you. This is S- 00:02:51.610 --> 00:02:53.719 15-9 for McKinney 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:56.569 Denton Apartments. It is a request for a specific use 00:02:56.569 --> 00:02:58.520 permit so essentially it's a 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:02.189 request to allow this specific use in this district and the 00:03:02.189 --> 00:03:03.199 request is for a 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:06.719 multifamily development. The developer is NRP Apartments. 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:07.840 They're doing this in 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:11.479 cooperation with the Denton Housing Authority. Will be 100% 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:12.719 subsidized units. 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:17.159 No market rate units as part of the low income housing tax 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:19.879 credit. The subject 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:22.759 property is shown here in yellow on the south side of McKin 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:24.639 ney Street. This is 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:29.560 Woodrow here to the west. It is a 16 acre site heavily 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:31.680 forested. You know McKinney 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:37.110 Street is currently a two-lane undivided roadway. To the 00:03:37.110 --> 00:03:38.560 left we have the DME 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:42.129 substation. Some of y'all sell that SUP and then further to 00:03:42.129 --> 00:03:43.080 the left is the 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:47.830 recently approved SUP for the majestic at McKinney Apart 00:03:47.830 --> 00:03:50.759 ments. To the south down 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.000 here is property that's undeveloped but it's zoned for 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:57.360 single-family. To the west 00:03:57.360 --> 00:04:00.550 there's actually a parcel in between the subject property 00:04:00.550 --> 00:04:02.360 and then Mack Park and 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:05.210 it's undeveloped but zoned for mixed-use. It has the same 00:04:05.210 --> 00:04:07.319 zoning as our site of NRMU. 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:12.530 And then to the north their collection of properties Mack 00:04:12.530 --> 00:04:14.319 Park, the Summerwind 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:18.029 single-family neighborhood. There's a law office here. F 00:04:18.029 --> 00:04:19.240 ountains of Denton 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:23.459 apartment complex, some single-family and then a small 00:04:23.459 --> 00:04:25.759 patch of mixed-use zoning 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:32.540 that's also undeveloped. As I stated the current zoning is 00:04:32.540 --> 00:04:35.079 NRMU. This whole site 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:39.360 used to be with the 2002 citywide rezoning was all NRMU 12 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:40.240 and in the past 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:42.680 we had a developer come in who wanted to develop the site 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:44.160 in 2008 and he rezoned 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:47.850 it all to NRMU and actually had an SUP for multi-family 00:04:47.850 --> 00:04:49.079 approved but he never 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:52.019 developed and so our code says if you didn't develop within 00:04:52.019 --> 00:04:53.079 two years it's 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:56.360 expired so that SUP has expired and now that's why we need 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:57.759 a new one. Completely 00:04:57.759 --> 00:05:01.649 new developer, completely new applicants, completely new 00:05:01.649 --> 00:05:02.439 project. 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:06.490 This is the site plan here. I'll break it down for you in 00:05:06.490 --> 00:05:07.839 just a minute but 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:11.120 there are 11 apartment buildings that consist of 322 units. 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:12.160 They have two 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:15.160 community centers and some amenities, business center, 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:16.319 fitness center, pool, 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:20.579 after-school program. The applicants for Denton Housing 00:05:20.579 --> 00:05:22.040 Authority or the 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.889 representatives for Denton Housing Authority and the 00:05:24.889 --> 00:05:26.360 developer will go into a little bit more 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:28.259 about the programming. They should be here for the regular 00:05:28.259 --> 00:05:28.920 session so if you 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:30.879 have questions about how their operations are going to run 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:31.399 I would like 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:34.120 to leave that for them and I'll answer the specific site 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:37.120 plan related questions. 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:39.959 There are several building types. There are three type A 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:40.959 which are three story 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:45.389 buildings with 30 units each. Two type B buildings also 00:05:45.389 --> 00:05:46.839 with three stories with 30 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:53.740 units each. One type C three stories with 12 units. Two 00:05:53.740 --> 00:05:55.279 type D buildings two 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:59.519 stories with 10 units. There are two type E buildings these 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:00.879 were very similar at 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.069 first. We worked with the applicant to change up their elev 00:06:03.069 --> 00:06:03.759 ations so they were 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:06.930 they'll look different from the street and those are also 00:06:06.930 --> 00:06:08.120 two stories with 12 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:13.389 units and then lastly they had to go vertical four stories 00:06:13.389 --> 00:06:15.160 116 units in this 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:16.930 one and this was probably their biggest change from their 00:06:16.930 --> 00:06:17.800 original application 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:20.160 because there are a large number of trees which are going 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:20.920 to in a minute but 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:23.029 they had to go vertical so they could preserve the amount 00:06:23.029 --> 00:06:23.879 of trees they needed 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:28.930 to meet our tree code. And lastly there's two amenity 00:06:28.930 --> 00:06:31.360 centers shown here and here 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:36.240 as well as they did provide 35 bike racks one for each 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:38.160 building and then 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:42.329 they also provided some enhanced sidewalk along the street 00:06:42.329 --> 00:06:43.279 which I'll go 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:48.129 to in here in a minute as well. I'm not going to show you 00:06:48.129 --> 00:06:49.160 all the elevations but 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:50.689 these are generally what all the buildings are going to 00:06:50.689 --> 00:06:51.759 look like. This 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:56.560 kind of design style with stucco and the stone and wood s 00:06:56.560 --> 00:06:58.040 iding or hardy board 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:02.620 siding. Generally they'll all follow this design scheme. I 00:07:02.620 --> 00:07:03.519 did provide the actual 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:08.009 elevations in your backup in case you have questions on 00:07:08.009 --> 00:07:10.160 that. In terms of 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.490 access it is located off McKinney Street which is a two- 00:07:12.490 --> 00:07:13.480 lane undivided roadway 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.980 owned and maintained by TexDOT. It's currently planned to 00:07:16.980 --> 00:07:17.839 be widened to a 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:21.649 four-lane divided road. Current date is anticipated 2018 00:07:21.649 --> 00:07:22.639 that could get pushed 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:30.199 back further. Because it is a, I should go back and say 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:32.240 that currently the 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:35.319 capacity of McKinney Street is about 9,000 trips per day 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:37.480 and recent counts by 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.569 the city estimated we're about 14,000 trips per day so it 00:07:40.569 --> 00:07:41.160 already is kind of 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:45.149 over capacity as it stands but we do anticipate that once 00:07:45.149 --> 00:07:45.959 it's widened it'll 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:49.920 hold about 24,000 which is enough to hold this development 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:50.279 as well as 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:53.829 Majestic and the other developments along McKinney. But in 00:07:53.829 --> 00:07:55.000 the meantime to 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:57.779 kind of mitigate some of those impacts the applicant will 00:07:57.779 --> 00:07:58.560 be required to 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:03.160 construct a left turn lane in this location to turn into 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:04.480 the site as well 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:07.189 as a right turn lane in McKinney and this aligns with the 00:08:07.189 --> 00:08:07.959 future median 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:10.959 opening once it's widened. The purpose of this is that we 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:12.120 can keep the through 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:14.850 traffic flowing, people aren't stacked waiting to turn left 00:08:14.850 --> 00:08:15.480 and people are 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:19.370 waiting behind them who intend to go straight. And the 00:08:19.370 --> 00:08:20.879 secondary access is on 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:25.399 the west side this will be emergency access only. The 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:26.759 reason for that is in 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:29.519 the current state is just two yellow stripes on the road 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:30.360 and we want to force 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:34.070 people to use these turn lanes as well as they didn't align 00:08:34.070 --> 00:08:35.440 with the drive 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:38.799 across the street. When the road is widened there'll be a 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:40.759 median here with 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:44.820 no median opening and so at that time it can be changed 00:08:44.820 --> 00:08:45.879 into a full right in right 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:49.440 out for the residents to use. Like we said 2018 so it may 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:51.000 be just a temporary 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:58.000 situation. Here's the landscape plan a little. Can I just 00:08:58.000 --> 00:08:59.759 ask you a question for 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:03.120 clarification purposes? You said that there was going to be 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:06.039 a right turn lane 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:08.690 and that was a condition that you're placing but I don't 00:09:08.690 --> 00:09:09.320 see it in your 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:12.320 conditions here is it just the first one where it has to 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:13.240 substantially comply 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:17.440 with the site plan? No I believe in the recommendations at 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:19.279 the bag it states 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:26.200 there are four criteria. Are you seeing in recommendation 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:33.850 section? Yes. Number? Number three is the emergency access 00:09:33.850 --> 00:09:36.080 but we do need to include this element as well. 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:38.809 Well turn lanes are required if I'm plotting. It wasn't 00:09:38.809 --> 00:09:39.639 really something that 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:42.919 we they're gonna build now. The reason we put the western 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:43.679 access in there 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:46.970 for a condition is so that when people pull the ordinance 00:09:46.970 --> 00:09:47.960 they know it's there 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.539 it's not hidden it's not a surprise if say this train 00:09:50.539 --> 00:09:51.600 changes hands and another 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:53.960 developer wants to build it and they say we didn't know it 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:54.480 's had to be 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:57.090 emergency only. Well it's clearly written in the ordinance 00:09:57.090 --> 00:09:57.720 everybody will know. 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:00.269 But you're saying that the right lane needs to be added to 00:10:00.269 --> 00:10:01.320 the conditions? No. I 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.220 just want to make sure for a vote time. Because of the 00:10:04.220 --> 00:10:05.240 requirements that they're 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:08.389 going to have to follow again this site plan is tied to the 00:10:08.389 --> 00:10:09.279 SSUP so that is 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.220 reflected there and with the plotting and with the 00:10:11.220 --> 00:10:12.200 engineering requirements they 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:16.090 have to meet that. What we're conditioning is the emergency 00:10:16.090 --> 00:10:16.919 access that 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:19.480 it will be it's a temporary access and so should the 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:20.600 conditions once the 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:23.169 conditions change from McKinney Street there will be a 00:10:23.169 --> 00:10:24.080 change and so when 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:26.580 people do research for recordation purposes they know what 00:10:26.580 --> 00:10:27.360 happened with that. 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:30.200 Yeah it's important to clarify this is a requirement anyway 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:31.000 so we're asking you 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:33.070 to make it a condition but really we're asking for that 00:10:33.070 --> 00:10:34.039 reason just so it's 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:36.649 stated in the ordinance everybody knows it's there but if 00:10:36.649 --> 00:10:37.240 you don't approve the 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:40.120 condition it's a requirement anyway so it's really just to 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:41.080 benefit everybody in 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:45.830 the long run. Going back here's the landscape plan I'll 00:10:45.830 --> 00:10:46.600 zoom in on this a 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.399 little bit. As I said this is a heavily forested site they 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:50.919 completely 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:54.559 redesigned their site a number of times to work with the 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:58.039 trees. Here in this 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:00.269 kind of light green are all the trees that are existing on 00:11:00.269 --> 00:11:00.879 site that they're 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:05.429 preserving and they've clumped a large number of trees here 00:11:05.429 --> 00:11:06.519 in the open space 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:10.799 around building F, around the playground and the pool, 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:13.279 along the open space this 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:16.200 area and along McKinney Street as well as they've 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:17.639 incorporated where they 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:21.889 can into the buffers that are required. You can see it as a 00:11:21.889 --> 00:11:22.679 large amount 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.409 trees. Our tree code requirements are not in canopy acreage 00:11:26.409 --> 00:11:27.519 it's by cal per inch 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:31.039 so this may seem like it's you know based on the entire 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:32.320 site being an aerial 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:35.049 looks like it's a lot of trees when they're clustered close 00:11:35.049 --> 00:11:36.559 together there 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:38.340 may be a lot of inches right next to each other and so they 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:38.919 're meeting the 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:41.559 inch requirement even though when you look at it in an 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:42.559 aerial the canopy may 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:45.840 not seem like it's 20% or whatever does that does that make 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.159 sense to you? Yeah so 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:51.129 one of the questions I had... Commissioner Bruegel. Thank 00:11:51.129 --> 00:11:53.120 you thank you Mr. Chair. So I had I 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:57.409 had emailed earlier today to ask specifically about the 00:11:57.409 --> 00:11:59.200 trees and I think 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.769 I saw somewhere in the narrative that they were going to 00:12:01.769 --> 00:12:02.840 exceed the tree 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:05.840 requirements for this development. Can you can you get into 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:07.360 that a little bit more? 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:13.399 Yes they are required to preserve a certain amount of trees 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:14.759 in cal per 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:17.840 inches based on the number of existing trees on site. They 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:19.639 can also choose to 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:22.610 to remove half of those if they pay into the tree fund but 00:12:22.610 --> 00:12:23.679 they're not even going 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:25.620 to use that option they're going to preserve above the 00:12:25.620 --> 00:12:26.840 minimum amount that 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:29.690 is required by our tree code and they design their site 00:12:29.690 --> 00:12:30.639 specifically around 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:32.629 those trees because it would have been very expensive to 00:12:32.629 --> 00:12:33.600 cut them down. They 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:35.259 could have took they could have cut down more honestly and 00:12:35.259 --> 00:12:36.360 paid for them but it 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:39.090 was going to be very expensive. So the trees that they are 00:12:39.090 --> 00:12:40.120 cutting down are 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:45.799 smaller and they don't have to pay for those or they don't 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:45.919 have to 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:48.840 mitigate? They do they do anything under six inches they 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:49.200 don't have to 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:52.279 mitigate but there are some between six and 18 that are 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:53.519 certain species that are 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:57.230 less expensive to mitigate than others. It's kind of a 00:12:57.230 --> 00:13:00.480 complicated formula. I 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:04.240 can say that they work diligently to save as many trees as 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:06.240 possible. If we if 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:08.169 we want to I can probably delve a little deeper into the 00:13:08.169 --> 00:13:09.120 tree preservation plan 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:11.649 that's actually the kind of next stage in the process we 00:13:11.649 --> 00:13:12.559 didn't we didn't count 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:15.759 every single tree for this site today we just did inventory 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:16.799 and they just showed us 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:20.559 where they were saving. That really comes with the final 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:21.559 plat when we actually 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:23.480 dig down deeper in the numbers and give you an actual 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:25.240 percentage. Okay so you're 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:28.090 saying that they they're preserving more trees than they're 00:13:28.090 --> 00:13:29.200 necessarily required 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:33.429 to with this and then with this the smaller trees they are 00:13:33.429 --> 00:13:33.960 and whatever 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:36.200 trees they are cutting down they are paying into the tree 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:37.000 fund in addition? 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:39.850 Correct there's just preservation requirement and a 00:13:39.850 --> 00:13:41.039 mitigation requirement. 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.529 They are required to preserve so many amount of trees for 00:13:43.529 --> 00:13:44.480 certain species. They 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:46.659 are meeting that preservation and actually going to exceed 00:13:46.659 --> 00:13:47.519 it. There are 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:49.539 other species where if you cut them down you have to pay 00:13:49.539 --> 00:13:50.639 for them. It's not you 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:52.470 don't have to preserve a certain amount of them. If you cut 00:13:52.470 --> 00:13:54.000 them down you pay for them and 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.529 all the ones that they are moving in that category they are 00:13:56.529 --> 00:13:57.679 paying for. 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:00.389 Or planning back on site. And then the very small ones that 00:14:00.389 --> 00:14:01.120 are less than six 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:07.200 inches those don't have to be paid? Correct. Okay thank you 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:08.320 . Commissioner Beck. 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:12.080 Thank you Chair. Let me get back on hers. Once they're in 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:12.919 there are they 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:15.539 responsible for maintaining the trees, making sure they're 00:14:15.539 --> 00:14:16.919 trimmed properly, watching for 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.230 disease and stuff like that? Yes they are and they are 00:14:19.230 --> 00:14:21.120 required to irrigate them for three years and 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:23.970 we can go out and do inspections on that anytime. Okay 00:14:23.970 --> 00:14:26.840 thanks. Then maybe let me 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:28.669 show you the next slide here before if we have more 00:14:28.669 --> 00:14:30.200 questions. So the light green 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:32.929 trees on here are what they're preserving from the existing 00:14:32.929 --> 00:14:33.399 trees on 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:36.370 site and in addition to that they're also planning a 00:14:36.370 --> 00:14:37.440 substantial number of 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.379 trees along the streets. They do have a 15 foot buffer to 00:14:41.379 --> 00:14:42.840 the substation on the 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:46.289 east and a 10 foot buffer to the residential zoning on the 00:14:46.289 --> 00:14:47.960 south. So 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:49.789 they're actually exceeding the tree canopy coverage 00:14:49.789 --> 00:14:50.480 requirements for the 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:53.639 zoning district as well and the reason for all these trees 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:54.679 is our code requires 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:57.789 private street system with street trees for multi-family 00:14:57.789 --> 00:14:59.519 development and so you 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:02.370 can see all the trees around the street that they in 00:15:02.370 --> 00:15:03.600 combination with the 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.600 existing trees that they've provided. So it's very heavily 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:08.440 treed. They also saved a 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:11.299 bunch of trees along McKinney Street and kind of routed 00:15:11.299 --> 00:15:12.799 their sidewalk through 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:15.110 them to make it more scenic and pretty and it's a little 00:15:15.110 --> 00:15:16.519 bit wider sidewalk. 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:19.250 That was something that we kind of when we met with them 00:15:19.250 --> 00:15:20.279 initially we said you 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.649 know there's been problems on McKinney with sidewalks maybe 00:15:22.649 --> 00:15:22.960 a little bit 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:25.490 further east but you know it's addressed the problem here 00:15:25.490 --> 00:15:27.440 as well. And Mike are 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:31.440 there? Commissioner Bruegel. Thank you chair. Oh I'm sorry 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:32.360 did I jump in Andrew? 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:36.519 You got the floor. Thank you. Are there are there many 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:37.600 trees on the west side of 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:42.440 the west side of that property? I don't recall seeing many 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:43.480 on the area. I was 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:45.940 just kind of curious. I'll go back to the area we can show 00:15:45.940 --> 00:15:46.519 you. There's like it's 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.250 patchy right through here. Okay. So they're really 00:15:49.250 --> 00:15:50.519 preserving the bulk amount 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.669 right here and what's great is a lot of times we see people 00:15:53.669 --> 00:15:54.399 shoving to the 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:56.440 corner and they're not really usable. These guys actually 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:57.120 designed them into 00:15:57.120 --> 00:15:59.559 their open spaces so the residents can use them. So we 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:01.039 thought that was great. Thank you. 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:04.490 I'm sorry Commissioner Bruegel. Commissioner Bruegel. Thank 00:16:04.490 --> 00:16:05.639 you. I have a question about 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:09.090 new tree planting. It might be ignorant. What is the 00:16:09.090 --> 00:16:10.399 requirement for a new tree? Is 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:13.789 this a certain inch that has to be planted or it could it 00:16:13.789 --> 00:16:14.679 be a seed or how 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:16.919 does that work for new trees? I want to say it's a two inch 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:17.879 tree. I can confirm 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:19.980 that for you. You're required to plant a young tree that 00:16:19.980 --> 00:16:20.919 way it grows into a more 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:28.480 mature size. Okay. Thank you. All right if there's no more 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:28.960 questions on the 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:33.450 landscape plan. Just the comprehensive plan does call this 00:16:33.450 --> 00:16:34.320 area shown here in 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:36.769 black as moderate residential. That's a change from what it 00:16:36.769 --> 00:16:38.279 previously was. It 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:41.230 was more neighborhood mixed-use and now with the compound 00:16:41.230 --> 00:16:42.399 we wanted to add more 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:46.559 density downtown and within the loop and so this was one of 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:47.559 the few large 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:50.169 undeveloped areas in town that we could squeeze in some 00:16:50.169 --> 00:16:51.480 moderate residential. So 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:54.029 that's why it changed. Also we have a center at McKinney 00:16:54.029 --> 00:16:54.879 and Woodrow and a 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:56.929 center at McKinney and Loop and so just having a 00:16:56.929 --> 00:16:58.200 neighborhood strip we could 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:00.090 kind of lead towards strip development. So that was kind of 00:17:00.090 --> 00:17:00.600 the purpose of 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.200 changing this. Now moderate residential is typically single 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:05.279 -family six to twelve 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:08.680 units per acre but the DIN plan does say that apartments 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:09.799 could be allowed as long 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:14.900 as they're high quality design and maintained well. So it's 00:17:14.900 --> 00:17:15.880 this one is a 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.190 little bit higher I think it's about 20 units per acre if 00:17:18.190 --> 00:17:19.480 you you count it but 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:21.309 it's well below the 30 that's permitted in the current 00:17:21.309 --> 00:17:22.599 zoning district that 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:25.039 they're entitled to now until the zoning is changed. So I 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:26.359 think it's a it's a fair 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:29.319 compromise between the two. 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:32.609 Just some considerations we did review the site plan 00:17:32.609 --> 00:17:34.319 landscape and elevations 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.410 they are compliant with all requirements the DDC and no nu 00:17:37.410 --> 00:17:38.119 isances are 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:41.059 anticipated. We did preliminary review of public 00:17:41.059 --> 00:17:43.079 infrastructure and determine the 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:46.789 site will be served adequately with transportation, water, 00:17:46.789 --> 00:17:48.079 sewer, drainage. 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:51.079 We talked on this a little bit but we did they did design 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:52.240 the site to reserve 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.319 existing trees. The minimum tree code requirements will be 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:56.240 met or exceeded and 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:01.470 again we'll determine exact numbers upon platting. That's 00:18:01.470 --> 00:18:04.440 to be determined. They 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:07.289 did provide bicycle and pedestrian facilities. They 00:18:07.289 --> 00:18:08.799 provided a wider six foot 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:12.079 side of Oklahoma Kini as well as 35 bike racks. It is 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:14.000 moderate residential but like 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.000 as I said it is a fair balance between the current zoning 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:18.359 and the future land use 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:24.089 plan. We'll be required to construct turn lanes to mitigate 00:18:24.089 --> 00:18:25.079 any access or 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:27.700 mitigate any transportation issues until McKinney is widen 00:18:27.700 --> 00:18:28.440 ed and we're going to 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:32.799 have that access point on the west to be emergency only. 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:34.480 Lastly the Dinton Plan 30 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:37.390 has a lot of providing your backup a lot of information 00:18:37.390 --> 00:18:38.599 about the shortage of 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:42.259 affordable housing in Dinton. I'll let Dinton Housing 00:18:42.259 --> 00:18:44.160 Authority can really 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:48.210 elaborate that a lot more so we have a big shortfall and 00:18:48.210 --> 00:18:49.680 this site was was 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:51.890 chosen by Dinton Housing Authority for several specific 00:18:51.890 --> 00:18:53.559 reasons. Again I'm gonna 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:57.920 let them elaborate on them on that more than I can but the 00:18:57.920 --> 00:18:59.079 site was specifically 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:04.750 chosen for several reasons. Lastly we did like are they 00:19:04.750 --> 00:19:05.240 going to do that 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:08.750 presentation here in work session or in it was our intent 00:19:08.750 --> 00:19:09.759 that they be here for 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:11.680 work session perhaps they got caught in traffic or 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:13.839 something and are late but if 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:19.519 they come in maybe we can squeeze it in. Okay thank you. We 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:21.119 did send out notices 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:23.569 to property owners been 200 feet and the physical address 00:19:23.569 --> 00:19:25.440 has been 500 feet. I did 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:27.559 provide you with the one response that we got today but 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:28.440 they didn't list the 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:32.339 address that was within 200 feet. I got that today so I'll 00:19:32.339 --> 00:19:33.079 do a little research 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:35.039 and I could probably find out who it is but I don't have it 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:36.599 on the map because 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:41.759 the form was incomplete. We'll do a little digging on that. 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:45.369 Based on the consideration. Another question Mike. Was 00:19:45.369 --> 00:19:46.799 there any feedback from 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:50.200 Majestic since they have been recently approved? I know 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:50.980 they're in the 00:19:50.980 --> 00:19:54.230 500 feet but not the 200. I know they can't. I'm not aware 00:19:54.230 --> 00:19:55.680 of any. Okay so no feedback from them 00:19:55.680 --> 00:20:00.839 whatsoever. Okay thank you. And lastly just based on 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:01.759 everything I've covered and 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:05.109 the considerations listed in your staff report we do 00:20:05.109 --> 00:20:06.440 recommend approval 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:09.990 subject to the following conditions. One that the site plan 00:20:09.990 --> 00:20:10.359 shall 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:12.680 substantially comply with or that the development shall 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:13.559 comply with the site 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:17.039 plan landscape plan provided. The maximum number of units 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:17.279 shall be 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:21.200 capped at 322 units. In restating the western access is for 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:22.000 emergency access 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:23.890 only until the street is widened and the median is 00:20:23.890 --> 00:20:25.799 installed. And lastly we would 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:28.190 like to add a condition that the building facades facing 00:20:28.190 --> 00:20:29.000 McKinney Street 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:32.960 shall have a minimum of 60% masonry building materials and 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:33.579 that gables 00:20:33.579 --> 00:20:36.309 windows doors and related trim may be excluded from this 00:20:36.309 --> 00:20:37.160 percentage. That's 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:39.619 that's standard code language. Our minimum requirement in 00:20:39.619 --> 00:20:41.039 the code is 40. We'd 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:44.930 like to dress that up a little bit on McKinney and do 60%. 00:20:44.930 --> 00:20:46.160 And Mike we've 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:51.720 spoken to the applicant about this. That's correct. And 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:51.759 they're amenable to this commission. 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:55.640 I'll ask one other question on that. Is that similar to 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:56.799 what we did with 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.079 majestic or this above and beyond what we required of them? 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:01.839 I have to look into 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:04.789 that I'm not sure we did from majestic. I think they 00:21:04.789 --> 00:21:06.599 exceeded on certain they 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:10.599 were higher. If I'm not mistaken. Yes. Okay follow-up 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:13.720 question. Why if our code is 40% are we 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:17.680 requesting that they do 60? To enhance the I'll show you 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:18.839 the sides facing 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:24.390 McKinney. So this is an example of a side facing McKinney. 00:21:24.390 --> 00:21:26.000 What the comp plan 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:29.380 stresses is high quality materials for buildings and 00:21:29.380 --> 00:21:30.599 moderate for apartments 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:33.089 and moderate residential. We initially met with them we 00:21:33.089 --> 00:21:34.200 wanted to enhance the 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:36.839 entire side up to 60% and they said you know well they had 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:37.920 cost concerns with 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:40.450 the knob trees they have to save as well. And so we said 00:21:40.450 --> 00:21:41.680 okay well I think the most 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:43.880 important side is that we get it on McKinney Street enhance 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:44.400 that visual 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:47.130 corridor along McKinney. Provide a little bit more stone a 00:21:47.130 --> 00:21:48.200 little less stucco 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:52.599 and siding. So that was really the request. Well I guess 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:53.640 thank you for the 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:57.279 answer. I'll follow up my question again. If our code says 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:01.839 40 why are we requiring 60? 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:06.079 Mike if you'd allow me to answer that question. We have had 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:07.559 several meetings 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:10.880 with the applicant to discuss their elevations and we have 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:11.880 worked through 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:16.769 many iterations of elevations because the facade the front 00:22:16.769 --> 00:22:18.119 facades there were 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:20.259 concerns where they weren't complying with the ordinance in 00:22:20.259 --> 00:22:20.880 terms of relief 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:24.200 and providing that relief to those elevations. Secondly 00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:26.839 when you look at the 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.049 congregation and the conglomeration of the buildings we 00:22:30.049 --> 00:22:31.599 needed to provide the 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:35.759 additional relief and to reflect this as a prize project as 00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:37.519 well. And we sat and 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:40.710 we discussed with the applicant and in order to provide the 00:22:40.710 --> 00:22:42.240 relief especially 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:46.640 along McKinney Street we suggested we said could you 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:47.960 consider increasing the 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:50.200 masonry requirement and they looked at it and they thought 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:50.920 about it and they 00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:55.079 were amenable to that. And that's why it wasn't staff's 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:56.000 recommendation saying you 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:58.559 must comply with this we actually had discussion on what do 00:22:58.559 --> 00:22:59.200 we do with the 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:02.049 elevations how do we break the elevations up how do we 00:23:02.049 --> 00:23:02.799 decrease the 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:05.650 monotony of the building elevations. So the code does 00:23:05.650 --> 00:23:06.839 require that you have 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:09.259 relief in these elevations and it was just through 00:23:09.259 --> 00:23:10.640 conversation that we came 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:13.269 up with the 60% so it was in constant communication with 00:23:13.269 --> 00:23:14.400 the applicant. 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:21.200 If I can kind of just summarize I guess what I heard the 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:23.279 compromise to go from 40 to 60 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:26.640 has more to do with the elevation that they presented based 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:30.279 upon more of an 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:34.170 aesthetic how it overall looks and staff's opinion was that 00:23:34.170 --> 00:23:35.000 there wasn't 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:38.359 enough relief and how the elevations were and so rather 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:40.200 than them redesigning 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:45.460 the project to provide that to meet staff's interpretation 00:23:45.460 --> 00:23:46.279 or opinion of 00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:49.980 that they elected to trade off to upgrade from 40 to 60 00:23:49.980 --> 00:23:50.960 percent the 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:56.119 building materials and accomplish the look by upgrading the 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:56.720 materials rather 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:00.440 than redesigning the architectural part of the building. We 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:01.119 didn't want them to 00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:03.970 have to go back and do numerous iterations just to try to 00:24:03.970 --> 00:24:05.680 meet the intent of the ordinance so we 00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:08.500 worked together to come up with a solution. I think that's 00:24:08.500 --> 00:24:09.599 a good solution 00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:13.400 and that answers my question as to why we required 00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:15.480 obviously an entity that's 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:20.910 trying to provide services at a cost-effective manner to go 00:24:20.910 --> 00:24:23.039 from 40 to 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:27.829 60. It makes us not in my opinion sound good to require 00:24:27.829 --> 00:24:29.200 them to go from 40 to 60 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:34.460 when our code requires 40 but the explanation makes that 00:24:34.460 --> 00:24:35.279 more to me 00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:38.359 reasonable as to why that's taking place so thank you for 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:41.480 the explanation. 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:47.849 Commissioner Hertzmith. Thank you. First I am I'm excited 00:24:47.849 --> 00:24:48.880 about this project just 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:52.500 because one it's in my neck of woods and two for someone to 00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:53.839 put something next to 00:24:53.839 --> 00:25:01.480 a substation you know is promising. My question is the and 00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:02.440 just as an aside 00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:06.250 because I think this maybe jump-starts that area what is 00:25:06.250 --> 00:25:09.039 the access to that the 00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:15.880 large area behind it but how does that become developed 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:16.200 what's the 00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:20.009 access to it I see kind of a path on the other side so what 00:25:20.009 --> 00:25:21.200 is that never eat 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:24.579 so the east side of the substation but I'm not sure how 00:25:24.579 --> 00:25:26.480 that works. Sure and I'm 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:29.779 gonna pull up our mobility plan here for you because I don 00:25:29.779 --> 00:25:30.759 't have a map big 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:36.380 enough far enough out but the short answer is that Dutchess 00:25:36.380 --> 00:25:37.200 Drive to the 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:41.200 south is going to extend between lip 288 and Woodrow and 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:42.519 now provide the primary 00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:46.079 access to those properties so I'll turn on the zoning so 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:47.200 you can see what we're 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:52.319 referencing so the NRMU here is our subject property it's 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:54.759 our site and if I 00:25:54.759 --> 00:26:01.160 turn don't do that sorry if I turn on the mobility plan 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:05.440 here you'll see 00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:08.519 Dutchess Drive extending to the south off from Woodrow to 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:10.119 look 288 and that 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:17.400 would be their primary access. And then another question so 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:18.839 they're putting in 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:23.240 the sidewalk does that get lost when they widen McKinney 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:25.960 and then replaced 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:29.849 what is the the plan for sort of putting in the sidewalk 00:26:29.849 --> 00:26:30.680 McKinney's obviously 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:33.759 gonna go you know double its size I'm assuming that gobbles 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:34.960 up the sidewalk 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:38.849 is text art committed to not that we haven't say so I'm 00:26:38.849 --> 00:26:40.680 just curious what's the the 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.339 plan after it's widened for the sidewalk correct me if I'm 00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:45.400 wrong but I believe 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.359 the plans have a sidewalk in them that text out was gonna 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:49.519 build since there's 00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:52.089 already be a sidewalk here they'll either move it or try to 00:26:52.089 --> 00:26:52.759 design where 00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:55.319 they can keep it is that correct girl so the plans are to 00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:56.359 have a sidewalk either 00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:00.109 way text on if they if this development come in text out 00:27:00.109 --> 00:27:01.160 was gonna build it 00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:05.710 well but I guess my question is will the sidewalk they're 00:27:05.710 --> 00:27:07.359 putting in survive the 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:11.069 street widening that's that's a question I honestly don't 00:27:11.069 --> 00:27:12.240 have the answer to it 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.839 may be impacted by the widening we can what's probably 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:17.039 gonna be more in fact 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:19.769 not the writing of the widening of the road but the 00:27:19.769 --> 00:27:21.039 movement of utilities 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:25.980 further outside of the road when they have to remove some 00:27:25.980 --> 00:27:27.359 trees to to do those 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.049 utilities but that's standard with any easement along all 00:27:30.049 --> 00:27:33.359 our text off right away 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:38.000 Commissioner Rozelle thank you a couple questions about the 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:39.000 mobility plan in 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:43.160 terms of traffic it says in the information no date has 00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:43.759 been set for the 00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:47.289 widening of this project regarding McKinney I thought I 00:27:47.289 --> 00:27:50.200 heard a 2018 was 00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:53.519 this confirmed that text lots plans are always three years 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:54.440 out so the current 00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:58.160 date is 2018 but they can typically push back and push back 00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:59.279 and push back so no 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.119 firm date like no the design plans haven't been bated out 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:02.960 to contractors to 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:05.839 start building in 2018 that's just the tentative date and 00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:07.759 then can you speak to 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:12.359 4,000 strips per day on a road over the capacity of 9,000 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:13.960 that sounds like a 00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:17.109 significant amount to me is that deemed a significant 00:28:17.109 --> 00:28:18.440 amount of extra traffic or 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.759 is that is that feasible I have a question because there's 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:23.559 a fire station 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:26.910 not a half a mile to the east of this property and if so if 00:28:26.910 --> 00:28:27.960 there's a lot of 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:31.849 traffic build up on this road specifically that is the main 00:28:31.849 --> 00:28:32.799 thoroughfare 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:37.750 for station two and so I have some concerns about how that 00:28:37.750 --> 00:28:38.680 looks our 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:40.849 engineering manager is over here so he probably better to 00:28:40.849 --> 00:28:41.599 answer that than I 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:43.720 would 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:53.750 the 4,000 excess amount of traffic it's not really a major 00:28:53.750 --> 00:28:55.000 concern there is some 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:58.450 fluff when we say a street has a capacity of a certain 00:28:58.450 --> 00:28:59.480 amount and the 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:03.049 actual traffic is a little bit above that the key issues 00:29:03.049 --> 00:29:04.160 really is the 00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:08.440 auxiliary lanes to keep that traffic away from the through 00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:10.319 lanes and so when 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:14.710 we when we look at a development we look into that in terms 00:29:14.710 --> 00:29:15.619 of possible 00:29:15.619 --> 00:29:20.970 mitigation items to to compensate for the impact that they 00:29:20.970 --> 00:29:21.599 're going to have on 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:25.369 those travel lanes and also on we also evaluate 00:29:25.369 --> 00:29:28.799 intersections as well because 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.039 those are the major bottleneck areas whether it be that 00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:33.319 turn lane movements 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.569 or the intersections so it's not a really a concern in 00:29:37.569 --> 00:29:39.519 terms of the through lane 00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:43.299 traffic in terms of capacity okay and I'm not sure this is 00:29:43.299 --> 00:29:44.200 a question for you 00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:49.480 or mr. Bell is the apartments required to have both a right 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:50.960 and left turn lane 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.660 on exiting because it seems like a left turn across McKin 00:29:53.660 --> 00:29:56.279 ney could be created 00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.839 back up so is there a way that someone could turn right 00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:00.000 directly from the 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.970 property I didn't I don't know on the site map if it exists 00:30:03.970 --> 00:30:05.079 in the property or 00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.380 entering the property exiting so if someone's come out and 00:30:07.380 --> 00:30:07.960 there's a car 00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:11.599 needing to turn left across traffic with the car behind 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:12.920 them be able to turn 00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:15.609 right instead of waiting or is there gonna be a backup into 00:30:15.609 --> 00:30:16.359 the apartment 00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:20.519 complex there will most likely be a backup I don't know if 00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:20.799 you have a copy 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.900 of a site plan but there is there are two lanes exiting the 00:30:23.900 --> 00:30:25.319 site one for right 00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:30.400 turn movements and one for left okay perfect thank you 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:34.450 Commissioner back thank you chair first let me commend the 00:30:34.450 --> 00:30:36.200 staff on the way they 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:39.400 put this together I had questions as I started going 00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:40.359 through it and before I 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:43.259 got done they were all answered so excellent job and I 00:30:43.259 --> 00:30:44.240 assume y'all always 00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:48.039 do that but I just I need to highlight some kudos thank you 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:49.720 the only thing I 00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:52.269 didn't find and I thought you're gonna hit on it when you 00:30:52.269 --> 00:30:53.119 talked about the 00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:55.970 widening of the wall and now I see the trees are gonna be 00:30:55.970 --> 00:30:56.960 there too at night 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.079 that darkens that area are they required to do any extra 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:01.799 lighting along that walkway 00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:06.910 for nighttime or is there ample lighting there now yes and 00:31:06.910 --> 00:31:08.240 what we'll do at the 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.089 building permit stage it's a little bit too detailed for 00:31:11.089 --> 00:31:12.039 this stage but we do 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:14.940 have requirements for lighting for pedestrian areas a 00:31:14.940 --> 00:31:16.279 minimum of I believe 00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:18.480 it's one of states of foot and a half one and a half foot 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:19.240 candles of all 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:23.000 pedestrian areas and so the street lights will be provided 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:23.519 either by them 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:30.119 or potentially by textile at some point okay good thank you 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:36.160 Commissioner Hatchbeth thank you chair and I think just to 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:37.559 touch on your 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.180 concern I I think well I know I know read that they're 00:31:41.180 --> 00:31:42.480 putting a park in on 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:46.380 the property so I'm assuming that too they'll illuminate 00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:47.440 the area for that 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.930 purpose as well just so their safety of their residents get 00:31:50.930 --> 00:31:52.000 into the park so I 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.170 think a lot of that will be captured there as well if you 00:31:56.170 --> 00:31:56.880 all just 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.619 information we have in our code a requirement for minimum 00:32:00.619 --> 00:32:01.799 requirement for 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.079 where you have pedestrian areas sidewalks parking areas and 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:05.640 then we have 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.089 a maximum lighting at the property lines that there's not 00:32:08.089 --> 00:32:09.039 too bright to impact 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:15.019 adjacent neighbors so that's the balance of the two all 00:32:15.019 --> 00:32:18.640 right any other questions 00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:21.039 for staff 00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:33.019 that takes care of those I guess we have one other item it 00:32:33.019 --> 00:32:35.720 looks like it's to be 00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:41.359 continued yes the amendment to the razor ranch overlay 00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:42.740 district that item will be 00:32:42.740 --> 00:32:45.109 continued to the November 18th planning and zoning 00:32:45.109 --> 00:32:47.119 Commission meeting do we need 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:51.009 to have a motion for that no course I'd already been taking 00:32:51.009 --> 00:32:53.680 care of continued to 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:58.119 the next meeting we don't need to do anything on that 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:04.049 we're going to cover the project matrix or we're going to 00:33:04.049 --> 00:33:06.160 come back up here to 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.579 the work session report if I can go back to the work 00:33:09.579 --> 00:33:11.359 session report the 00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:14.680 Commission would choose I just wanted to note that there's 00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:15.799 an item to discuss 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:18.319 regarding the planning and zoning Commission city initiated 00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:18.759 rezoning 00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:22.279 committee we provide some informational information for the 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:22.599 PNC 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:26.049 specifically indicating or iterating what the roles and 00:33:26.049 --> 00:33:27.440 responsibilities would 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:32.289 be Ron if you wouldn't mind just a brief two minute update 00:33:32.289 --> 00:33:33.720 on what we're 00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:37.880 anticipating and can be when we'll be convening and all the 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.039 sure thank you for 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:43.960 the opportunity really sounds like or looks like 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:45.480 Commissioner Rizal since 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:47.400 you're the only member that's up committee you can make all 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:48.680 the decisions 00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:55.599 the opportunity tonight is related to let the Commission 00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:56.440 know that we're going 00:33:56.440 --> 00:34:00.000 to be meeting soon at that meeting we'll go over the roles 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:00.119 and 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:04.759 responsibilities we'll also select the chair and vice chair 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:06.160 and also start 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:09.130 beginning work on identifying some locations which staff 00:34:09.130 --> 00:34:09.800 has already 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:12.760 developed some ideas and some locations that we would like 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:13.719 to target with the 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:18.079 help of the subcommittee we can hopefully move forward when 00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:18.840 we meet at 00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:21.119 that meeting the subcommittee will be making 00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:22.519 recommendations to the planning 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:26.780 zoning Commission so that we come back with a rezoning 00:34:26.780 --> 00:34:28.079 effort that the 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.809 Commission can then recommend to City Council for their 00:34:30.809 --> 00:34:32.000 ultimate decision and 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:37.690 approval of that ordinance really don't have any more than 00:34:37.690 --> 00:34:40.320 that maybe a question 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:43.409 to the Commission I may have to reach out to the individual 00:34:43.409 --> 00:34:44.280 subcommittee 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:48.469 members to find out what time and date they would prefer to 00:34:48.469 --> 00:34:49.880 meet I know some of 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:54.989 them specifically commutes from Fort Worth I believe so we 00:34:54.989 --> 00:34:55.440 may have to 00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.929 identify a date maybe coinciding with the planning zoning 00:34:58.929 --> 00:35:00.199 Commission meeting 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:05.519 or maybe some other date that that we can all meet and can 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:06.760 meet on a regular 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.010 basis it may not be every or twice a month maybe once a 00:35:10.010 --> 00:35:11.719 month however we can 00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:15.690 decide on on those dates so okay really since they're not 00:35:15.690 --> 00:35:16.840 here and except for 00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:19.769 you I'll probably reach out to you all individually and 00:35:19.769 --> 00:35:21.079 then we'll schedule a 00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:26.630 time for the subcommittee to convene thank you okay 00:35:26.630 --> 00:35:27.599 Commissioner Griggle 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.679 thank you chair are these are these meetings of the sub 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:31.360 committee going to be 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:35.960 posted in accordance with the Open Meetings Act and all 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:37.119 that yes okay yeah 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.760 that was it I just was just curious because it was only 00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:40.880 three people but I 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:47.360 guess still has to be posted okay thank you 00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:52.440 do we have anything else we're gonna close our work session 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:53.119 we can close it 00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:56.199 unless the Commission would leave it open because the 00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:57.480 housing authority shows 00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:03.219 up to make a presentation okay we have food okay at this 00:36:03.219 --> 00:36:06.679 time it's 5 35 and the 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:11.969 work session this time is going to be a pause for recess 00:36:11.969 --> 00:36:14.039 and for food and we will 00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:19.639 be back shortly thank you 00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:32.099 it's 6 13 and we're going to be back in session following 00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:33.440 our recess and I think 00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:38.280 we have a presentation from the housing authority 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.920 thank you don't mind when you get started if you'll give us 00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:47.559 your name and 00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:49.780 address and anybody else that would like to speak after you 00:36:49.780 --> 00:36:50.719 the same thing sure 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:54.320 sure thank you again mr. chairman members of the Commission 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:55.400 for this time to before 00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:59.820 you tonight my name is Lance Vanzant address 512 West Hick 00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:00.639 ory Street in in 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:03.840 Denton Texas I'm the representative of the applicant the N 00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:04.920 RP group in 00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.650 partnership with the Denton Housing Authority for this 00:37:07.650 --> 00:37:08.800 project that mr. Bell 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.659 is summarized in his staff report and summarized for you 00:37:11.659 --> 00:37:13.079 tonight as you may 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.360 know we kind of began our pre-application process in late 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:16.760 spring 00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:21.679 early summer and filed our formal application in July for a 00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:22.400 specific 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:26.630 use permit for our project on on McKinney Street in McKin 00:37:26.630 --> 00:37:27.199 ney Denton 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:32.010 Denton apartments and we've been through several iterations 00:37:32.010 --> 00:37:32.920 of our of our initial 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:36.809 plan one of the primary challenges that we'll have some 00:37:36.809 --> 00:37:37.840 some folks here that can 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.880 answer specific questions if you have any one of our 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:40.920 primary challenges for 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.769 that side is if you've seen it at all you see it's a it's a 00:37:43.769 --> 00:37:44.760 really a beautiful 00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:49.679 forested area the entire 16 acre site so we've and we 00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:51.400 wanted to utilize that to 00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:55.119 our advantage to have a really a unique looking multifamily 00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:56.280 project there and 00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:59.010 protect as much of the forest canopy as we could that 00:37:59.010 --> 00:38:00.679 presented some challenges 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.679 for our engineers and architects but after you know several 00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:04.519 revisions we were 00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:07.889 able I believe to really come up with a product that the 00:38:07.889 --> 00:38:08.920 city and and the 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:12.090 clientele who will be served by the project will be really 00:38:12.090 --> 00:38:13.599 proud of I think 00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.480 that that was that was summarized well and in mr. Bell 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:17.719 staff report and that 00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:20.809 was the one of the primary issues that we had to deal with 00:38:20.809 --> 00:38:21.840 but once we once we 00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.090 got through some of those issues it's been a it's been a 00:38:24.090 --> 00:38:25.039 really good process 00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:28.579 to go through I did want to thank Mike Bell and his staff 00:38:28.579 --> 00:38:29.599 and a lot of the 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:32.070 departments who came to many of the review meetings it's 00:38:32.070 --> 00:38:32.679 you know any 00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:37.949 project of this size is fairly complex and we had a lot of 00:38:37.949 --> 00:38:39.260 code compliance that 00:38:39.260 --> 00:38:42.599 we had to get through and and and mr. Bell and his staff 00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:43.639 and everyone involved 00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.750 was just really went out of the way to if we needed a 00:38:46.750 --> 00:38:48.360 meeting on short notice 00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.980 we were able to get that and meet all our deadlines and we 00:38:50.980 --> 00:38:51.800 just appreciate 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:54.590 them in working with us it was really a it was really a 00:38:54.590 --> 00:38:56.639 good process and I know 00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.079 that you're probably an important element of the staff 00:38:59.079 --> 00:38:59.840 report that you 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:03.079 have before you you have a recommendation for approval with 00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:03.420 four 00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:05.719 conditions and just wanted to let the Commission know that 00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:06.480 we're we're happy 00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:08.929 to comply with those conditions so we're not we're not 00:39:08.929 --> 00:39:09.920 asking for anything 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:14.079 inconsistent with what his staff is recommending I guess 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:14.920 and we have a 00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:17.880 PowerPoint presentation here that I'm going to introduce N 00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:19.119 RP's representative 00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:23.360 Deborah Guerrero and and Sherry McDade with the Denton 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:23.480 Housing 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:27.170 Authority if either one or both of them want want to speak 00:39:27.170 --> 00:39:28.199 to this and take you 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:29.809 through the project they can kind of describe the 00:39:29.809 --> 00:39:31.400 partnership between Denton 00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:35.289 Housing Authority and the NRP group so thank you again for 00:39:35.289 --> 00:39:35.920 your time. 00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:42.980 Good evening my name is Sherry McDade I'm the CEO for Dent 00:39:42.980 --> 00:39:45.800 on Housing Authority 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.690 our address is 1225 Wilson Street I just wanted to tell you 00:39:49.690 --> 00:39:50.760 a little bit about 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.980 the Housing Authority and what we've experienced with 00:39:53.980 --> 00:39:55.400 affordable housing the 00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:59.559 Housing Authority currently administers 1,526 rental vouch 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:00.400 ers and those 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.420 vouchers allow our families to search for housing within 00:40:04.420 --> 00:40:05.920 the community we're 00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.579 currently the families use those vouchers to pay about 30% 00:40:09.579 --> 00:40:10.119 of their 00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:13.829 income towards their renting utilities and we're about 95 00:40:13.829 --> 00:40:15.519 to 98 percent leased 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.960 up on that program excuse me the Housing Authority also 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:21.320 owns and operates two 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:26.090 senior housing properties which is about 138 units total we 00:40:26.090 --> 00:40:28.400 have a newly built 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:31.880 Renaissance Court which is a low-income housing tax credit 00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:33.400 property that's 150 00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:36.130 units that's on Roodale Street and if some of you may 00:40:36.130 --> 00:40:37.599 remember that property 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.880 replaced the old Phoenix apartments that was there and 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:42.760 again that property is at 00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:47.159 about a hundred percent leased up we've been continuing to 00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:48.280 serve the community 00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:51.610 for the last 45 years by providing housing and housing 00:40:51.610 --> 00:40:54.119 assistance and this 00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.510 summer we opened up our waiting list for one week and we 00:40:57.510 --> 00:40:59.280 received over 3,500 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:05.250 applications for assistance over 1,700 of those applicants 00:41:05.250 --> 00:41:06.199 or families had a 00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:08.929 preference which is they were elderly handicapped or 00:41:08.929 --> 00:41:10.480 disabled they were a 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:13.210 veteran they were homeless or they were a victim of 00:41:13.210 --> 00:41:15.719 domestic violence and so as 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:19.480 you can see there is a big need for housing here in Denton 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:21.199 we continue to 00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:25.409 look for ways to expand our housing stock and our programs 00:41:25.409 --> 00:41:26.559 and one way for 00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:29.800 us to do that is to build or develop affordable housing 00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:31.239 along with partners 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:35.519 like NRP group they are a professional development company 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:37.239 that assist housing 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.809 authorities and building and developing affordable housing 00:41:40.809 --> 00:41:42.119 and the main thing is 00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:45.260 to building it's building quality affordable housing and 00:41:45.260 --> 00:41:45.760 making it 00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:49.260 affordable for low-income families and the community one 00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:50.880 problem that we're 00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:54.340 having with our section 8 program is when families are 00:41:54.340 --> 00:41:55.599 looking for rental 00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.889 housing it's hard to find a landlord that will accept the 00:41:58.889 --> 00:41:59.920 voucher and then 00:41:59.920 --> 00:42:03.349 once they find that it's hard for them to come up with 00:42:03.349 --> 00:42:04.880 security deposits and 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.760 also for the rents to be within the fair market rent that 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:08.880 the voucher program 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:13.639 that will cover so this development will assist us in 00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:14.960 helping those families but 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:18.670 also the many families that are on our waiting list and so 00:42:18.670 --> 00:42:19.880 we just ask for your 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:22.730 support and your approval of our permit to do the 00:42:22.730 --> 00:42:24.360 development and I'll answer 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:29.829 any questions that you may have. Commissioner Beck. Thank 00:42:29.829 --> 00:42:30.539 you chair I just 00:42:30.539 --> 00:42:35.889 like to make one comment I the Dent housing authorities 00:42:35.889 --> 00:42:37.719 come a long way. Yes sir. 00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:41.659 In fact I was one of the first section 8 inspectors back in 00:42:41.659 --> 00:42:43.280 the early 80s. Norm 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.449 Schroeder was the director and we officed out of what's the 00:42:46.449 --> 00:42:47.400 Cracker Barrel 00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:51.090 store over on Bell and Coronado. I've heard that story. So 00:42:51.090 --> 00:42:52.000 you guys have grown 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:55.889 and you've done an outstanding job. Thank you very much. 00:42:55.889 --> 00:42:56.760 Thank you. Commissioner 00:42:56.760 --> 00:43:01.039 Bruegel. Thank you chair. This is a really exciting project 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:01.920 it really is. Thank you. 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:07.889 Can you elaborate a bit on why these particular 16 acres 00:43:07.889 --> 00:43:09.239 were chosen for the 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:11.960 site given that there are the challenges with the future 00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:13.280 widening of McKinney the 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:16.280 fact that it's next to a substation that's a heavily treed 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:17.000 why this 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:21.619 particular site? For a housing authority to even be able to 00:43:21.619 --> 00:43:23.159 find a piece of land 00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:26.250 in the city of Denton that meets all the qualifications for 00:43:26.250 --> 00:43:26.840 the low-income 00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:30.559 housing tax credits that's one of the big things for us so 00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:32.719 NRP came to us with 00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:35.809 the site already in hand. The housing authority has for the 00:43:35.809 --> 00:43:36.519 last five years 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:39.980 tried to develop other sites that we currently own here in 00:43:39.980 --> 00:43:41.119 town and we've not 00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.849 been able to meet the criteria for the low-income housing 00:43:43.849 --> 00:43:44.800 tax credit to even 00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:47.960 qualify for and so when they came to us and already had the 00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:49.039 site that worked 00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:54.099 much better for us. Another question too about the 00:43:54.099 --> 00:43:55.920 attendance at Lee 00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:58.780 Elementary and I see that Dr. Wilson you could have a great 00:43:58.780 --> 00:43:59.800 lineup here of 00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:03.960 letters of support great job. But I was kind of curious how 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:04.719 that might impact 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.800 the attendance at Lee Elementary usually when we see cases 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:08.519 of large-scale 00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:11.039 projects like this there's something in the backup that 00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:12.119 will say you know there's 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.219 going to be projected these many students at these 00:44:14.219 --> 00:44:15.480 particular schools and 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:18.090 I didn't see anything that like that in the backups I just 00:44:18.090 --> 00:44:19.039 wanted you to talk 00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:21.710 about I'm sure you've been in conversation with the 00:44:21.710 --> 00:44:22.639 principal there at 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.079 Lee Elementary how's this going to affect attendance there? 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:26.159 If I'm not mistaken 00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:30.050 Lee Elementary is not the elementary school it would be it 00:44:30.050 --> 00:44:31.119 would be Rivera 00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:35.119 Tomas Rivera and and my developers do have some information 00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:35.880 for you regarding 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.730 the school school district so I'm sorry. That's all right 00:44:38.730 --> 00:44:40.119 and I'm sorry I got 00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:49.659 that school wrong. Any other questions? Thank you. Thank 00:44:49.659 --> 00:44:49.679 you. 00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.630 Good evening my name is Deborah Guerrero I work with the N 00:44:58.630 --> 00:45:01.280 RP group and we are 00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.130 very proud to be in partnership with the Denton Housing 00:45:04.130 --> 00:45:05.039 Authority on this 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:11.349 particular development and do I just press oh good and just 00:45:11.349 --> 00:45:12.440 to let you know 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.349 a little bit about ourselves. Yes ma'am. My name is Deborah 00:45:15.349 --> 00:45:16.679 Guerrero San Antonio 00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:23.039 Texas 200 Concord Plaza Suite 900 San Antonio sorry. Again 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:24.239 I'm with the NRP 00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:27.789 group my colleague Jason Arrechiga is here as well as our 00:45:27.789 --> 00:45:28.920 entire team that 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.590 have been working on this development very proud of our 00:45:31.590 --> 00:45:32.639 partnership with the 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:36.340 Denton Housing Authority. The NRP group we've been here in 00:45:36.340 --> 00:45:37.599 Texas for over 11 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:41.769 years we've built over 10,000 units in Texas our company 00:45:41.769 --> 00:45:43.480 itself was created 00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:47.639 back in 1995 that's when it was founded but we got smart 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:48.800 and came down here I 00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:52.110 was already here so they came to me but this is where all 00:45:52.110 --> 00:45:53.159 the growth is in 00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:57.219 southwest of the United States and we really felt like this 00:45:57.219 --> 00:45:58.000 was a great 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.750 opportunity to bring in a quality company into Texas. Since 00:46:01.750 --> 00:46:03.519 2004 NRP group 00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:07.679 has developed over 2100 units of affordable housing in 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:08.679 partnership with 00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:12.199 Texas Housing Authorities and we're very proud of that 00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:13.880 because we provide not 00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:17.880 only development services quality construction and quality 00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:18.679 management and 00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:21.880 as you know management is really the key to a lot of this 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:23.159 not only do you create 00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:26.619 a sustainable development construction wise but then you 00:46:26.619 --> 00:46:27.679 need to make sure that 00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:30.960 it's managed properly. The good thing is that all three of 00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:32.360 those entities are 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:36.519 under one umbrella. Again as Sherry just mentioned with 00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:37.960 over 3,000 families on 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:41.320 the waiting list we felt that it was a great opportunity to 00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:42.239 partner with Denton 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:46.550 Housing Authority why we chose this particular site it was 00:46:46.550 --> 00:46:47.559 zoned with 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:52.360 the exception of course going through this 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:56.150 process for the specific use permit. It is its proximity to 00:46:56.150 --> 00:46:57.159 amenities is 00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.340 absolutely fantastic especially for the families living 00:47:00.340 --> 00:47:02.440 there. When we did visit 00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:07.199 with the school districts and in fact one of the commission 00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:07.559 ers Miss 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:11.309 English here was was very instrumental in that. They were 00:47:11.309 --> 00:47:12.559 very supportive I 00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:14.679 mean they were supportive of it as long as we met the 00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:16.019 characteristics that they 00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:19.909 outlined and ordinarily just to answer your question on the 00:47:19.909 --> 00:47:20.440 number of 00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:25.349 school-aged children that usually live in our residence we 00:47:25.349 --> 00:47:27.599 average about one per 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:31.190 unit school-aged children because we do see that a lot of 00:47:31.190 --> 00:47:32.440 our families are young 00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:36.599 families with kids that that haven't yet gone to school and 00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:37.599 we have a lot of 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:41.670 seniors too so so that's why it averages about one per unit 00:47:41.670 --> 00:47:43.239 . What we are proposing 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:50.679 over here on 2105 East McKinney are 322 units at a cost of 00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:51.880 about 45 million 00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:56.880 dollars in investment 44.6 but I'll round up. It'll include 00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:58.019 one to four 00:47:58.019 --> 00:48:05.539 bedroom units with rents ranging from 569 to 1,035 a month. 00:48:05.539 --> 00:48:07.400 We do another reason 00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:10.250 that this particular site was located is because of the 00:48:10.250 --> 00:48:11.880 financing. It lies within 00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:15.769 a qualified census tract which allows us to boost up the 00:48:15.769 --> 00:48:17.159 amount of equity that 00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:21.809 can we can receive to actually finance a community like 00:48:21.809 --> 00:48:23.119 this. So that's another 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:26.380 reason that this particular site was selected. We as Lance 00:48:26.380 --> 00:48:27.800 mentioned we've 00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:31.820 been working very closely with your city staff to be 00:48:31.820 --> 00:48:33.719 consistent with the city 00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:37.659 code. We've taught we we worked really hard to make sure 00:48:37.659 --> 00:48:38.039 that we were 00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:41.360 consistent with the letter and spirit of your plan and your 00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:42.639 guidelines and one of 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:46.599 our highest priorities was preserving so many of the 00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:48.480 existing trees and we did 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:52.530 that in by where we located and sited buildings the way 00:48:52.530 --> 00:48:53.639 that we had our 00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:58.159 parking lots and driveways meander through the site and and 00:48:58.159 --> 00:48:59.480 just I'm sure a 00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:03.010 lot of other a lot of other ways that that Mike will go 00:49:03.010 --> 00:49:04.400 into in more detail 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:08.610 later but we're very proud that we were able to to keep so 00:49:08.610 --> 00:49:09.800 many trees and 00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:13.420 honestly not only because we wanted to exceed the tree 00:49:13.420 --> 00:49:15.159 ordinance but because it 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:19.559 makes for a nice property it makes for a nice place for 00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:23.760 families to live. Sorry 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:27.650 we're also more than just housing as Sherry mentioned there 00:49:27.650 --> 00:49:28.360 are so many 00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:31.480 families that are really just looking for a great place to 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:32.599 live for their kids 00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:36.070 so we provide more than just a roof over their heads. We 00:49:36.070 --> 00:49:37.000 have a number of 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:40.630 amenities or it is a gated community we have a swimming 00:49:40.630 --> 00:49:41.840 pool a health and 00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:45.519 fitness center again the on-site property management we 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:46.880 also because the 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:50.070 Housing Authority and it was a priority of theirs added an 00:49:50.070 --> 00:49:51.679 additional community 00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:55.429 conference space an additional space for families to gather 00:49:55.429 --> 00:49:56.800 together. We have a 00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:00.349 children's playground, multiple laundry areas and again 00:50:00.349 --> 00:50:02.079 that natural green open 00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:05.969 space that's all complemented by the trees the the mature 00:50:05.969 --> 00:50:07.079 trees that exist 00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:10.659 there. We have a business center that is available to and 00:50:10.659 --> 00:50:11.840 equipped with Wi-Fi 00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:14.840 computers and printers that are available to our residents 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:15.559 free of charge 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:19.570 and we also have a resident service program because again 00:50:19.570 --> 00:50:20.639 it's more than 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:23.559 just housing it's about sometimes being able to help 00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:25.760 families when they just 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.000 want to step up whether it's through financial literacy 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:30.079 whether it's through 00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:34.389 computer training and one of our most important programs is 00:50:34.389 --> 00:50:35.599 our homework first 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:40.900 program where we actually have somebody that's available to 00:50:40.900 --> 00:50:42.400 tutor after school 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:46.559 every day and then even during the summer somebody that's 00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:47.320 there so that 00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:50.769 children are not left as latchkey children just at home 00:50:50.769 --> 00:50:51.679 that they have 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.159 somewhere safe and that their parents know that they are 00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:58.400 somewhere safe and so 00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.480 we're very proud of our resident service program especially 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:02.400 the homework first 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:06.150 program and our community housing resource partners which 00:51:06.150 --> 00:51:07.079 provides these 00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.769 resident services all over the United States I'm sorry all 00:51:09.769 --> 00:51:10.400 over the state of 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:15.550 Texas they actually connect with local entities and serve 00:51:15.550 --> 00:51:17.039 as that clearinghouse 00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.429 that referral service because nobody wants to replicate 00:51:19.429 --> 00:51:20.519 what you already have 00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:24.000 here we just want to connect families and people to all the 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:25.199 great programs you 00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:28.960 have here this is a site plan that again I'm sure Mike will 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:30.320 go into more detail 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:35.070 about as we mentioned it's 16 acres 322 units the density 00:51:35.070 --> 00:51:37.159 is at 20 units per 00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:41.360 acre our parking ratio at 1.94 with a total number of 00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:44.280 parking spaces 626 and a 00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:49.300 total bike parking of 35 again community support because 00:51:49.300 --> 00:51:50.800 that's absolutely 00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:54.500 essential in in any development that's coming into 00:51:54.500 --> 00:51:57.559 neighborhoods we we just we 00:51:57.559 --> 00:52:01.010 just built upon the goal of DHA which was to meet the need 00:52:01.010 --> 00:52:01.719 of working 00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:05.610 families in the city of Denton and to provide quality 00:52:05.610 --> 00:52:07.119 affordable housing 00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:10.309 through their board meetings through meetings with elected 00:52:10.309 --> 00:52:11.119 and community 00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:14.849 leaders and a formal public meeting we provided information 00:52:14.849 --> 00:52:15.480 about the 00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:19.639 development and we've received letters of support from the 00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:21.000 United Way friends 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:25.750 of the family Denton County MHMR and Denton ISD as was 00:52:25.750 --> 00:52:26.440 mentioned previously 00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:32.130 and and and as we mentioned the students the the children 00:52:32.130 --> 00:52:33.679 of the residents the 00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:37.000 students will be attending Tomas Rivera elementary school 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:38.219 Betty Myers middle 00:52:38.219 --> 00:52:43.059 school and Ryan High School again we want to thank staff 00:52:43.059 --> 00:52:45.320 for working with us so 00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:49.530 closely and we are proud to be here as a member of a 00:52:49.530 --> 00:52:50.920 partnership with the Denton 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:54.420 Housing Authority and we're asking the city of Denton now 00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:55.239 to join us in 00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:59.659 supporting excellent housing opportunities and we're asking 00:52:59.659 --> 00:53:00.119 you to 00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:03.199 approve our specific use permit and we actually have our 00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:04.000 engineers and 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.719 architects here to answer any questions you might have as 00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:09.119 well as anybody else 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:13.320 from the Denton Housing Authority and from the NRP group 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:14.039 thank you thank you 00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:19.099 any questions Commissioner Beck thank you chair that those 00:53:19.099 --> 00:53:20.280 rent figures you gave 00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:24.329 this does that include any utilities at all or is that just 00:53:24.329 --> 00:53:25.199 strictly rent that's 00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:27.880 strictly rent okay but all the other amenities you were 00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:28.360 talking about the 00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:32.699 services and everything that's free I mean that's part of 00:53:32.699 --> 00:53:33.760 what you provide 00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:37.760 absolutely okay absolutely very good thank you not nothing 00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:38.079 is at an 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:47.119 additional cost no parking no anything else Commissioner H 00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:48.280 ussbaston thank you 00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:51.070 chair I just have a general question I'm not sure if it's 00:53:51.070 --> 00:53:53.079 but with respect how 00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:58.579 will the once it's built how the is there a selection 00:53:58.579 --> 00:54:00.280 process is it that 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:05.030 current residents will get an option to transition how's 00:54:05.030 --> 00:54:06.000 that going to be managed 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:11.360 I'm going to let Sherry address that but just in general 00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:13.519 though what happens is 00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:16.719 because of fair housing everybody anybody that wants to 00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:17.880 live there can 00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:22.940 come and apply there's an application process and everybody 00:54:22.940 --> 00:54:23.920 has to go through 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:27.280 anybody that's over 18 in any unit even if they're not the 00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:28.159 name on the lease 00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:31.079 they they have to go through a criminal background check 00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:32.000 they have to go through 00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:35.449 a credit check and they have to make at least two and a 00:54:35.449 --> 00:54:37.079 half times the amount of 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:40.309 rent I mean that because these are for this is for working 00:54:40.309 --> 00:54:41.599 families this is not 00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:44.449 any public housing free housing I mean this is working 00:54:44.449 --> 00:54:45.639 working families and 00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:49.690 people and so so they'll they'll go through that screening 00:54:49.690 --> 00:54:51.559 process now Sherry 00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:54.639 can speak more specifically to how the vouchers work but 00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:55.679 those vouchers are 00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:59.050 counted towards the income towards that two and a half 00:54:59.050 --> 00:55:00.960 times two and a half time 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:06.019 need a requirement for the rent a family who's a current 00:55:06.019 --> 00:55:07.599 voucher holder they will 00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.039 be able to move into this development but they would still 00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:10.840 have to meet those 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:14.320 same guidelines and qualifications in order to move in so 00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:15.199 it's the same 00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:19.500 background check on everyone and we're not going to take 00:55:19.500 --> 00:55:21.679 the first 322 people 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:24.469 from the top of the waiting list again it's whoever it's 00:55:24.469 --> 00:55:25.559 open for anyone in the 00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:29.199 community to apply for but Commissioner Hotspeth will be 00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:30.599 able to go to them 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:34.360 though and market and we can specifically market along with 00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:34.800 Denton 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:38.500 Housing Authority to those very families so that they know 00:55:38.500 --> 00:55:39.559 the minute everything 00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:43.019 opens up that they can come and apply how the opportunity 00:55:43.019 --> 00:55:44.000 to apply probably 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:50.119 before other folks know about it sure sure okay thank you 00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:51.119 sure yes 00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:54.039 Commissioner back for sure thank you chair I meant to ask 00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:55.599 you all ago will 00:55:55.599 --> 00:56:00.039 y'all have an on-site manager 24/7 and what about security 00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:01.199 yes there will be 00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:04.949 on-site management at the property there won't be on-site 00:56:04.949 --> 00:56:06.079 security but there'll 00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:10.820 be there it's a gated community and so one proper one at 00:56:10.820 --> 00:56:12.079 our property and 00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:14.960 Renaissance courts we have a police officer who actually 00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:15.960 lives in a unit so 00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:19.989 that's something that we'll probably look into also yes we 00:56:19.989 --> 00:56:20.679 have courtesy 00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:23.760 officer programs and and some of our other residential 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:24.880 communities and that's 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:28.070 something we definitely would want to work with housing 00:56:28.070 --> 00:56:28.920 authority to create 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:36.639 that opportunity great thank you very much thank you thank 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:39.119 you it is 633 and 00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:42.059 that's our final presentation in our work session so we're 00:56:42.059 --> 00:56:42.960 gonna close the 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:46.530 work session again at 633 and we'll reconvene in council 00:56:46.530 --> 00:56:49.920 chambers thank you 00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:57.980 good evening and welcome to the city of Denton planning and 00:56:57.980 --> 00:57:00.679 zoning Commission 00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:07.449 for November 4th 2015 it is 643 this meeting has been duly 00:57:07.449 --> 00:57:08.519 posted in a 00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:11.050 quorum and is present and I'm gonna call the meeting to 00:57:11.050 --> 00:57:12.280 order and our first item 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:14.730 of business is going to be to give the pledge of allegiance 00:57:14.730 --> 00:57:15.519 to the US flag and 00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:18.119 the Texas flag 00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:28.900 to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God 00:57:28.900 --> 00:57:31.559 indivisible 00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:35.519 liberty and justice for all 00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:59.880 first order of business is going to be the consent agenda 00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:08.920 and chair would 00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:11.719 entertain a motion 00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:22.599 the first from mr. Brubel would you like to make your 00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:23.800 motion thank you chair I 00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:27.969 move approval of the consent agenda items Commissioner H 00:58:27.969 --> 00:58:29.239 odge but thank you 00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:35.230 second okay I have a first and a second any discussion 00:58:35.230 --> 00:58:37.280 saying none I'll call for 00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:39.800 a vote on the board 00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:56.070 motion passes six to zero that moves us to our public 00:58:56.070 --> 00:58:59.239 hearings I'm going to make 00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.719 a change in the order of our public hearings we have one 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:04.400 item item B that we 00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:12.199 will hear first this particular item has been continued and 00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:14.639 it will be heard on 00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:22.679 our November 18th meeting okay with that note we will then 00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:24.199 so anybody that was 00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:27.380 here for that particular item just for your information 00:59:27.380 --> 00:59:28.480 that will not be heard 00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:32.530 tonight so if you're here for that item they will not be 00:59:32.530 --> 00:59:34.800 heard tonight that will 00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:41.119 move us back to our item a s-15 - 0 0 9 and I'm going to 00:59:41.119 --> 00:59:42.679 open the public hearing 00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:47.659 for that item and a column and all for presentation thank 00:59:47.659 --> 00:59:48.960 you mr. chair I'm 00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:53.119 going to ask Mike Bell our senior planner to make this 00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:56.480 presentation thank 00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:59.559 you been all mr. chairman members of the commission this 00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:02.480 project is s-15 9 for 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:07.030 the McKinney Denton apartments the request before you 01:00:07.030 --> 01:00:08.280 tonight tonight is to 01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:12.440 consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding 01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:13.760 a specific use permit 01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:17.469 for a multifamily development on 16 acres on the south side 01:00:17.469 --> 01:00:18.199 of McKinney 01:00:18.199 --> 01:00:22.949 Street this is a multifamily project the African is NRP 01:00:22.949 --> 01:00:24.719 group and partnership 01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:27.940 with the Denton Housing Authority this will be a low-income 01:00:27.940 --> 01:00:28.960 housing tax credit 01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:34.199 development the site here is outlined in yellow you can see 01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:35.159 it's undeveloped but 01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:38.369 heavily forested it's a located along the south side of McK 01:00:38.369 --> 01:00:40.260 inney Street Woodrow 01:00:40.260 --> 01:00:45.679 Lane is to the west loop 288 is further on down to the east 01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:47.400 it's located along 01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:50.500 McKinney Street which is currently a two-lane undivided 01:00:50.500 --> 01:00:51.559 roadway owned and 01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:55.010 maintained by text dot we'll get into that a bit more in a 01:00:55.010 --> 01:00:57.000 bit to the east is 01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:00.550 the recently constructed DME substation and the recently 01:01:00.550 --> 01:01:02.079 approved majestic at 01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:06.239 McKinney Apartments that received its SUP approval a couple 01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:08.079 months ago to the 01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:11.969 south is some undeveloped properties owned for single- 01:01:11.969 --> 01:01:14.000 family to the west is 01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:17.599 Mac Park City Park in between the park and the subject 01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:18.360 property is actually 01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:23.719 another parcel it's undeveloped and zoned for mixed use and 01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:25.000 to the north we 01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:29.380 have Mac Park we have the summer wind neighborhood of my 01:01:29.380 --> 01:01:30.940 law office the 01:01:30.940 --> 01:01:33.489 fountains of Denton Apartments some additional single- 01:01:33.489 --> 01:01:34.519 family and may believe 01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:39.230 homes and some undeveloped mixed-use zoning property 01:01:39.230 --> 01:01:41.039 currently the property 01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:43.949 is owned neighborhood residential mixed use that's the 01:01:43.949 --> 01:01:45.920 color here in red this 01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:49.539 site as well as some additional parcels along with it were 01:01:49.539 --> 01:01:51.159 originally zoned in 01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:54.869 our mutual which is the orange you see here but in 2008 a 01:01:54.869 --> 01:01:56.079 developer came in 01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:59.170 with a multifamily project rezone the site to NRM you and 01:01:59.170 --> 01:02:00.039 had an SUP approved 01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:03.639 they never ended up developing and so that SUP has expired 01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:04.679 this project is a 01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.480 new applicant a new developer and now they're coming in for 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:08.280 the SUP under the 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:14.059 current NRM you zone this is the proposed site plan and I 01:02:14.059 --> 01:02:15.159 'll go into a bit 01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:19.059 more detail but it does include 11 apartment buildings 322 01:02:19.059 --> 01:02:20.440 units two 01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:22.909 community centers some amenities including a business 01:02:22.909 --> 01:02:23.559 center fitness 01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:28.440 center swimming pool after-school program as well some 01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:29.400 additional amenities will 01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:33.210 get into there are a number of building types the first is 01:02:33.210 --> 01:02:34.360 the a type which is 01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:38.670 three stories and 30 units will also be to type B which are 01:02:38.670 --> 01:02:39.719 also three stories 01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:44.880 and 30 units one type C building which is three stories and 01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:48.119 12 units to type 01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:52.170 D buildings which are two stories with ten units and then 01:02:52.170 --> 01:02:54.000 to type E buildings 01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:57.099 which were two stories and 12 units there was some 01:02:57.099 --> 01:02:58.480 discussion in the work 01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:00.920 session about the 60% recommendation that we'll be talking 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:02.280 about for the 01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:04.480 purpose of that really was these two buildings up front 01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:05.320 were very similar 01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:08.260 when we started and we've kind of worked with the applicant 01:03:08.260 --> 01:03:09.079 to differentiate with 01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:12.079 them to meet the intent of the code and part of the 60% was 01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:12.960 to help us meet that 01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:18.070 intent and then lastly we have a type F building which was 01:03:18.070 --> 01:03:18.960 a which is a four 01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:21.670 story building with 116 units this was probably the biggest 01:03:21.670 --> 01:03:22.280 change from their 01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:25.760 original plans they they went vertical so that they could 01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:26.440 save a large number 01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:29.369 of trees in this area we'll get into that with a landscape 01:03:29.369 --> 01:03:30.400 plan but that's 01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:33.849 the reason for four stories there also as I said there are 01:03:33.849 --> 01:03:34.960 two amenity centers 01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:38.849 one here and this is a laundry slash community room they'll 01:03:38.849 --> 01:03:39.719 also be providing 01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:47.280 35 bike racks and enhanced sidewalk along McKinney Street 01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:51.079 this is what a 01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:53.320 typical elevation would look like each building type has a 01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:54.239 different elevations 01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:56.949 but they'll all be generally consistent with this kind of 01:03:56.949 --> 01:03:58.840 design scheme which is 01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:05.460 the masonry masonry here siding and stucco wall again they 01:04:05.460 --> 01:04:06.280 vary in height 01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:12.269 and in dimensions but they're all generally this design 01:04:12.269 --> 01:04:14.199 scheme access to 01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:17.139 the property will be from McKinney Street it's currently a 01:04:17.139 --> 01:04:17.599 two lane 01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:20.679 undivided roadway owned and maintained by text dot it is 01:04:20.679 --> 01:04:21.880 planned for widening 01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:25.460 in the future the current date is estimated at 2018 but 01:04:25.460 --> 01:04:26.960 that may change 01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:31.150 it's estimated that the capacity of the road and current 01:04:31.150 --> 01:04:32.719 condition is around 01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:36.880 somewhere around 9,000 trips per day city counts estimated 01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:38.119 around 14,000 but 01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:42.039 once it's wide we will have capacity for up to 24,000 so 01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:42.840 maybe in a few years 01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:45.500 we'll have that needed capacity but in the meantime we're 01:04:45.500 --> 01:04:46.199 proposing some 01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:49.360 mitigation measures here and that's at their primary access 01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:51.119 on the east east 01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:55.010 side of the property we will require a left turn lane into 01:04:55.010 --> 01:04:56.280 the site and a right 01:04:56.280 --> 01:04:59.619 turn lane into the site and this lines up with the future 01:04:59.619 --> 01:05:00.599 median opening once 01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:04.119 the road is widened the purpose for these turn lanes is so 01:05:04.119 --> 01:05:04.519 that people 01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:08.059 entering the development can can sit and stack without 01:05:08.059 --> 01:05:09.320 blocking the through 01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:12.480 traffic as they move east and west across McKinney Street 01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:13.960 the secondary 01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:16.670 access is on the west side and it will be an emergency 01:05:16.670 --> 01:05:18.360 access only the reason 01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:21.900 for this is we really there's without a median just the 01:05:21.900 --> 01:05:22.800 center strap people 01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:26.179 could cross illegally to the left or cross illegally coming 01:05:26.179 --> 01:05:27.000 into the side 01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:30.250 crossing those stripes so to prevent that and to force 01:05:30.250 --> 01:05:31.159 people down to the 01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:34.800 turn lanes and help help the traffic situation this will be 01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:35.440 emergency only 01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:41.110 once Teasley or excuse me once McKinney is widened then 01:05:41.110 --> 01:05:41.960 then there's a median 01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:44.409 placed here they can change that from emergency access to a 01:05:44.409 --> 01:05:45.159 fully operating 01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:50.340 right in right out for use by the residents this is the 01:05:50.340 --> 01:05:52.559 landscape plan I'm 01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:56.010 going to a bit more detail we the most challenging part of 01:05:56.010 --> 01:05:57.440 this side was it was 01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:00.409 without doubt the the tree code requirements that is heavy 01:06:00.409 --> 01:06:00.920 very heavily 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:04.409 forested side the trees shown here in green are the 01:06:04.409 --> 01:06:05.880 existing trees that 01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:10.179 they're planning to preserve and these tree these trees do 01:06:10.179 --> 01:06:11.440 exceed the tree code 01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:14.639 requirement for preservation and mitigation you can see 01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:15.199 that they 01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:18.099 clustered preserved a lot of trees clustered inside the 01:06:18.099 --> 01:06:18.840 type F building 01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:22.130 inside the open spaces and along McKinney Street so that 01:06:22.130 --> 01:06:23.079 they're not just 01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:25.039 preserving the trees but there's preserving them in areas 01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:25.519 that are useful 01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:28.369 to the residents in these open spaces and create a unique 01:06:28.369 --> 01:06:29.239 field unique tree 01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:32.360 site in addition to the trees are preserving they're also 01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:33.119 adding quite a 01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:37.280 bit a few new trees the one shown in the darker green and 01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:39.039 those trees include a 01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:43.380 15 foot planted buffer adjacent to the substation and a 10 01:06:43.380 --> 01:06:44.440 foot landscaping 01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:47.010 strip adjacent to the single-family zoning to the south as 01:06:47.010 --> 01:06:48.079 well as a large 01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:51.329 number of what are being named street trees along the 01:06:51.329 --> 01:06:52.480 interior streets of the 01:06:52.480 --> 01:07:00.280 development future land use plan for this area the site 01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:01.000 here is kind of 01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:03.610 outlined in black is for moderate residential moderate 01:07:03.610 --> 01:07:04.320 residential's plan 01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:07.940 for primarily residential uses primarily single-family from 01:07:07.940 --> 01:07:08.760 6 to 12 01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:11.739 units per acre but it does the comp plan does say that 01:07:11.739 --> 01:07:12.519 apartments should be 01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:17.090 allowed if they're of high quality and maintained just to 01:07:17.090 --> 01:07:18.639 summarize some of the 01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:21.739 considerations we talked about here staff did review the 01:07:21.739 --> 01:07:22.320 site plan 01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:24.059 landscaping elevations and all are compliant with the 01:07:24.059 --> 01:07:24.800 requirements of the 01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:28.300 DDC we don't anticipate any impacts on adjacent uses we did 01:07:28.300 --> 01:07:29.119 review preliminary 01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:32.199 infrastructure and deemed that they will be adequate under 01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:34.199 future conditions we 01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:38.690 also found that the the athlete design the site to preserve 01:07:38.690 --> 01:07:40.039 the existing trees 01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:42.920 and our minimum tree code requirements will be met and we 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:43.719 wanted to stress the 01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:46.079 design aspect of how they designed around those trees 01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:47.119 really made it a solid 01:07:47.119 --> 01:07:51.110 effort they also are providing some bicycle pedestrian 01:07:51.110 --> 01:07:51.679 facilities by 01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:54.659 providing enhanced sidewalk along McKinney as well as 35 01:07:54.659 --> 01:07:55.480 back bike racks 01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:59.400 within the site although the side is moderate residential 01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:00.760 under the current 01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:03.119 zoning they can add up to 30 units per acre so this is kind 01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:03.559 of a good 01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:06.030 compromise between what is currently zoned and what the 01:08:06.030 --> 01:08:09.800 future might hold to 01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:12.400 mitigate some of those impacts with McKinney in the interim 01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:12.599 they're 01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:14.489 required to construct those turn lanes at the primary 01:08:14.489 --> 01:08:15.280 entrance and make the 01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:18.640 secondary access emergency only again once it's widened 01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:19.640 that can become a 01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:24.520 full fully servicing right in right out access and lastly 01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:27.399 didn't plan 2030 has a 01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:30.300 lot of good good things to say about a lot of good 01:08:30.300 --> 01:08:31.800 information about the 01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:35.550 shortage of affordable housing and in it's one of the goals 01:08:35.550 --> 01:08:36.359 of our comp plan 01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:39.350 to help increase the the amount of affordable housing that 01:08:39.350 --> 01:08:40.159 we can provide 01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:44.050 in the city and to go in more information about this 01:08:44.050 --> 01:08:44.960 project in housing 01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:47.279 authority and how their program in the side I will I will 01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:48.600 recommend you reserve 01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:51.340 those questions for didn't housing authority I think they 01:08:51.340 --> 01:08:51.960 're very well 01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:55.529 equipped to answer those questions we did send out notices 01:08:55.529 --> 01:08:56.479 to property owners 01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:59.699 than 200 feet and physical addresses within 500 feet as of 01:08:59.699 --> 01:09:00.600 creating this 01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:03.720 presentation I did receive one notice in opposition you'll 01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:04.359 receive that in your 01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:08.079 backup they did not provide an address so we have to do 01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:08.760 some further research 01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:11.340 to see exactly where they were we did receive that notice 01:09:11.340 --> 01:09:12.000 and it's been 01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:15.760 provided to you lastly based on everything we've talked 01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:16.600 about and the 01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:18.750 requirements of our didn't development code staff does 01:09:18.750 --> 01:09:19.680 recommend approval of 01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:23.840 this SUP subject to the following conditions first is that 01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:24.359 it shall 01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:27.029 substantially comply with the site plan and landscape plan 01:09:27.029 --> 01:09:28.600 attached second the 01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:32.649 maximum number of units shall be 322 units third has 01:09:32.649 --> 01:09:33.920 discussed the Western 01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:36.699 access shall be emergency access only until McKinney Street 01:09:36.699 --> 01:09:37.439 is widened in the 01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:40.659 median is installed and lastly that building facades facing 01:09:40.659 --> 01:09:41.520 McKinney Street 01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:44.189 shall have a minimum of 60% Mason you building building 01:09:44.189 --> 01:09:45.520 materials gables 01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:47.909 windows doors and related trims may be excluded from this 01:09:47.909 --> 01:09:48.439 percentage 01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.600 calculation with that I've concluded my presentation and I 01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:52.039 'll stand for any 01:09:52.039 --> 01:09:54.319 questions the applicant is also here to answer any 01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:56.720 questions 01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:05.210 any questions for staff thank you Mike this is a public 01:10:05.210 --> 01:10:08.279 hearing if there's 01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:10.960 anyone that would like to speak we'll need you to fill out 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:11.800 a yellow card I 01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:14.439 would invite you if you would like to come up and speak 01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:15.359 please fill out a 01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:18.300 yellow card especially if you're going to speak in 01:10:18.300 --> 01:10:19.920 opposition we would like to 01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:23.800 get that card in as well 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:33.109 I'm gonna go ahead and call first card that we have hope 01:10:33.109 --> 01:10:35.680 you got that back in 01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:41.789 the back this is a public hearing I'm gonna call the first 01:10:41.789 --> 01:10:42.359 card we have to 01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:45.699 speak which is going to be I believe it is Rob or Bob Rain 01:10:45.699 --> 01:10:50.159 er at South Locust 01:10:56.000 --> 01:11:00.159 thank you mr. chair commissioners I represent the owner 01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:01.880 that owns the land 01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:06.819 immediately to the west of the desired property runs the 01:11:06.819 --> 01:11:07.920 full length of the 01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:12.420 west side and also the full length of the south side of the 01:11:12.420 --> 01:11:14.199 property concerns 01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:20.170 that they have are as they were looking at and I had very 01:11:20.170 --> 01:11:23.000 nice meeting with mr. 01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:25.800 Van Zandt concerning this and I presented the information 01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:26.720 to them they 01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.960 were a little apprehensive with the number of units being 3 01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:32.279 22 with 01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:36.439 approximately roughly give or take maybe as many as 1200 01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:37.720 people could be out on 01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:41.199 16 acres and they're going to be using one curb cut 01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:42.800 possibly two after the 01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:46.689 development or the widening of McKinney Street this 01:11:46.689 --> 01:11:48.600 concerns our client my 01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:52.329 client in that his property merely to the west might be 01:11:52.329 --> 01:11:53.680 affected as far as 01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:56.680 being able to get a curb cut on his property because of the 01:11:56.680 --> 01:11:57.560 curb cut on Mac 01:11:57.560 --> 01:12:01.550 Park and then this curb cut looking at the distances and 01:12:01.550 --> 01:12:02.159 all we would be 01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:06.949 violating the curb cut distances and we we can't allow that 01:12:06.949 --> 01:12:07.880 the development that 01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:13.850 we have is approximately 400 acres and that is south of 01:12:13.850 --> 01:12:16.680 that of that about 135 01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:19.760 of it is residential which is north of the creek and we're 01:12:19.760 --> 01:12:21.119 looking at having 01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:24.350 development being done and we've always looked at that 01:12:24.350 --> 01:12:25.680 particular track as a 01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:31.449 major arterial leaving of that property going on to McKin 01:12:31.449 --> 01:12:34.319 ney Street we also are 01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:38.210 concerned about the two back buildings that are four 01:12:38.210 --> 01:12:39.960 stories if this is 01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:42.619 approved we would like to see that those story four stories 01:12:42.619 --> 01:12:44.039 be moved over to the 01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:47.970 substation side since nobody's going to see that when they 01:12:47.970 --> 01:12:49.439 have their yard built 01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:51.739 and they're grilling and they look back and they see the 01:12:51.739 --> 01:12:52.760 four story apartments 01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:56.800 by having them moved I think it helps us with marketing 01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:58.319 that we will be doing 01:12:58.319 --> 01:13:03.000 with our residential developments as they come along that 01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:04.560 primarily takes 01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:07.789 care of what our concerns are at this time and I'd be glad 01:13:07.789 --> 01:13:08.680 to answer any 01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:12.630 questions that you may have just for clarification could we 01:13:12.630 --> 01:13:13.239 get the map 01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:15.529 pulled up and you would you mind pointing out which pieces 01:13:15.529 --> 01:13:16.079 of property 01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:19.800 you're representing happy to thank you 01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:36.279 can you point it out that track and then would you also 01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:38.880 just push that it's this 01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:45.079 track also so does that help you all seen what we're 01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:46.520 talking about now so 01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:50.289 it's not only this one but it's also the track and that 01:13:50.289 --> 01:13:51.920 runs the entire south 01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:55.920 side of the property okay just for our clarification is 01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:56.840 there one owner that 01:13:56.840 --> 01:14:02.810 owns that or yes there is one owner okay yes yes ma'am 01:14:02.810 --> 01:14:04.119 question commissioner 01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:09.289 Dudowitz yes sir you mentioned the four-story building yes 01:14:09.289 --> 01:14:09.560 I'm not 01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:13.720 mistaken I think that's if I read the maps correctly it's 01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:14.800 on the far east side 01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:19.640 of this property but enough against the electric station I 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:20.560 hope that's the case 01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:22.710 I thought I saw it on the south side when they were talking 01:14:22.710 --> 01:14:23.800 could you clarify 01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:27.760 please yes the only four-story building is right here 01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:28.880 correct all right that was 01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:33.079 my understanding thank you once again it there is it is a 01:14:33.079 --> 01:14:33.960 budding on that south 01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:37.039 side we'd like to see it moved a little further on the east 01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:37.720 side so that it 01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:42.149 isn't so that it is not as visible on the south side of the 01:14:42.149 --> 01:14:43.600 property that we 01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:46.920 have and I think I heard staff recommend that position 01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:48.119 because it saves more of 01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:54.720 the current trees on the property remember your comes your 01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:55.720 presentation 01:14:55.720 --> 01:15:00.479 right correct the applicant and originally had several 01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:01.119 buildings here but 01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:04.119 needed to go needed to combine them into one to save the 01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:05.560 trees so this design was 01:15:05.560 --> 01:15:08.130 you've been with landscape plan there's a large cluster of 01:15:08.130 --> 01:15:09.319 trees here so it's 01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:13.899 designed around those trees I also might add the benefit of 01:15:13.899 --> 01:15:15.359 everybody's knowledge 01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:18.329 we do have in our code of residential proximity slope 01:15:18.329 --> 01:15:19.920 requirement for when 01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:23.710 multifamily is next to excuse me single-family and this 01:15:23.710 --> 01:15:24.520 does meet the 01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:29.420 meeting exceeds the requirement for the minimum slope Mr. 01:15:29.420 --> 01:15:31.079 Reiner and follow up 01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:37.060 the plan development and to that west side is single-family 01:15:37.060 --> 01:15:39.039 multiple family are 01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:41.760 you talking about our track on the west side sir it's a NRM 01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:43.399 you I believe zoning 01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:51.970 as well correct thank you can I just ask for clarification 01:15:51.970 --> 01:15:55.000 purposes are you 01:15:55.000 --> 01:16:01.720 making an objection we are today or are you just seeking 01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:02.920 clarification of some 01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:07.760 of the items that you mentioned my instructions are to 01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:09.840 object to the SUP 01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:14.050 today I'm working with mr. van Zandt on some other 01:16:14.050 --> 01:16:16.000 information and I'm sure that 01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:18.670 I'll have that as soon this is is approved and I don't know 01:16:18.670 --> 01:16:19.359 if it will be 01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:24.420 or not but right now my instructions are we are not we're 01:16:24.420 --> 01:16:25.840 asking for not 01:16:25.840 --> 01:16:29.289 approval of this because of issues that adversely we feel 01:16:29.289 --> 01:16:30.640 like adversely affect 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:34.529 our land which is around it and do you have something from 01:16:34.529 --> 01:16:35.560 the owner just 01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:39.600 showing your representation or authority to speak or their 01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:41.000 their actual objection 01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:46.159 I believe I furnished when we received the public hearing I 01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:47.199 had the owner's 01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:53.170 sign okay so mr. McCormick is the owner yes okay okay we'll 01:16:53.170 --> 01:16:54.159 have that put into 01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:59.039 the record thank you my pleasure 01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:03.720 I think there's some more questions on certainly come on 01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:05.359 Commissioner Rizzo I'm 01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:08.000 not sure who the best person to address this question is 01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:09.079 but you you brought up 01:17:09.079 --> 01:17:13.050 the issue of curb cutting yes and that there might be a 01:17:13.050 --> 01:17:14.479 fear that a curb cut 01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:18.159 would not be permissible based on the the applicants 01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:19.239 construction is that 01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:22.729 correct and this is concerning our land that we have to the 01:17:22.729 --> 01:17:24.359 west of this track 01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:28.050 understood can someone speak to the requirements would that 01:17:28.050 --> 01:17:28.960 be precluded 01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:32.609 given the current curb cutting I'm not sure who could best 01:17:32.609 --> 01:17:34.239 answer that I think 01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:38.119 Earl Escobar can address that question 01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:46.489 the city cannot deny access to a property to a public right 01:17:46.489 --> 01:17:47.119 away so 01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:51.119 whenever this property to the west does develop they will 01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:53.000 be permitted access to 01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:56.890 McKinney Street there is actually a proposed future median 01:17:56.890 --> 01:17:59.039 opening on at the 01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:01.890 intersection of Mack Drive and McKinney Street anyway so 01:18:01.890 --> 01:18:03.279 that the ideal location 01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:05.850 for this curb cut for this property to the west would be at 01:18:05.850 --> 01:18:06.920 that median opening 01:18:06.920 --> 01:18:12.500 lined up with Mack Drive to the north thank you our concern 01:18:12.500 --> 01:18:14.039 on that simply was 01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:19.239 there's more than one access for this land also Woodrow is 01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:20.800 another one and 01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:24.859 that was the concern that we've had with not obviously you 01:18:24.859 --> 01:18:26.159 all but previous 01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:30.640 commissioners and City Council we've had some issues with 01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:33.159 curb cuts on tracks of 01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:37.050 land because there is access elsewhere so the view at least 01:18:37.050 --> 01:18:38.119 at that time I'm 01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:43.140 glad to hear it different that it's quite possible that a 01:18:43.140 --> 01:18:45.560 curb cut could not be 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:48.750 allowed on that track because we do have access to move 01:18:48.750 --> 01:18:50.600 traffic elsewhere so I'm 01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:53.560 glad to at least get this on record so that we can be 01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:55.000 assured to have a curb 01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:59.750 cut on this track okay well that fit attorneys without fit 01:18:59.750 --> 01:19:01.039 legal counsel's 01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:07.010 view you can put what you like on the record but you're 01:19:07.010 --> 01:19:07.560 still objecting 01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:10.880 correct even with that information that you just received 01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:12.760 yes ma'am but that 01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:15.880 didn't answer my question I'm sorry what was your question 01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:18.000 does that with the 01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:21.239 city staff making that comment do you feel that within the 01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:22.239 city's third the 01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:29.649 attorney legal side that a curb cut would not be denied our 01:19:29.649 --> 01:19:31.279 track to the 01:19:31.279 --> 01:19:34.460 West well I don't think that I can make that determination 01:19:34.460 --> 01:19:35.239 here I didn't think 01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:39.399 so either that's why we still object to it okay 01:19:39.399 --> 01:19:42.399 commissioner back yes - thank you 01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:46.600 chair follow-up on Commissioner Donahue which is question 01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:49.800 the two areas you own 01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:53.039 to the West and to the South it is your intention to build 01:19:53.039 --> 01:19:54.479 single-family homes 01:19:54.479 --> 01:19:59.659 was that my I find that whenever I make a statement like 01:19:59.659 --> 01:20:00.880 that I've been in real 01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:04.500 estate for 30 years I usually have to crawfish eat cold 01:20:04.500 --> 01:20:06.079 crow something of that 01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:09.770 magnitude will follow the zoning's that we have and right 01:20:09.770 --> 01:20:11.199 now we're looking at 01:20:11.199 --> 01:20:15.869 doing a residential use to the south primarily and then to 01:20:15.869 --> 01:20:17.800 the west side 01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:21.489 whatever the zoning and the market will let us do okay but 01:20:21.489 --> 01:20:23.279 in residential use 01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:27.439 multi-family single-family we'd love to get whatever we can 01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:28.680 some of the 01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:32.039 developers that we are currently talking to some are doing 01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:33.399 single-family some 01:20:33.399 --> 01:20:37.449 duplex multi-use like that just for the maximum use of the 01:20:37.449 --> 01:20:39.439 land that we have okay 01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:44.989 thank you my pleasure commissioner husband thank you chair 01:20:44.989 --> 01:20:46.119 thank you for 01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:51.829 your input I guess my question kind of is in line there's 01:20:51.829 --> 01:20:53.640 no plans concrete 01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:58.600 plans in place am I hearing that right and there's nothing 01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:01.199 that you're working 01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:04.199 towards so obviously this projects been in the works for a 01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:06.159 while been up to 01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:10.210 speed at some point early on but there's no plans for your 01:21:10.210 --> 01:21:11.119 the party you 01:21:11.119 --> 01:21:14.699 represent to build anything there's no concrete plans in 01:21:14.699 --> 01:21:15.640 place we have no 01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:25.859 contracts okay and what is your clients thought on there's 01:21:25.859 --> 01:21:28.239 a substation right at 01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:31.939 the back of your property as well and so I find that to be 01:21:31.939 --> 01:21:33.119 harder on the eyes 01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:38.369 than a four-story building that's that's well maintained if 01:21:38.369 --> 01:21:39.699 you will would you 01:21:39.699 --> 01:21:44.100 agree the substations on the extreme east side of the 01:21:44.100 --> 01:21:46.060 property where this is 01:21:46.060 --> 01:21:53.439 more this property is centered closer center to the bulk of 01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:55.119 the land that we 01:21:55.119 --> 01:22:03.819 have to the south of you so I'm sorry do you agree that the 01:22:03.819 --> 01:22:04.720 substation I'm just 01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:07.399 curious if what your clients position on a substation do 01:22:07.399 --> 01:22:08.560 they agree that that is 01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:12.930 more that's harder on eyes than a maintained building or do 01:22:12.930 --> 01:22:13.720 you disagree I 01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:18.199 can't answer that I don't know I would I would I would like 01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:19.359 to interject 01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:22.520 something about fracking at this point but I won't do that 01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:23.399 either but the 01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:25.800 substation obviously is something different from 01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:27.760 residential's but I can't 01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:32.810 address that fair enough thank you Commissioner Brigham 01:22:32.810 --> 01:22:34.399 thank you chair I 01:22:34.399 --> 01:22:36.789 have quick question for you I don't think I heard you state 01:22:36.789 --> 01:22:37.520 your address for 01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:41.560 the record oh I'm sorry it was 607 South Locust and Denton 01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:43.640 76201 thank you and a 01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:48.739 question for staff and for legal I guess we're tasked with 01:22:48.739 --> 01:22:49.439 making a 01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:52.630 recommendation on this particular project and I know that 01:22:52.630 --> 01:22:53.199 one of the 01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:57.939 things that we look at in in our final vote is how it will 01:22:57.939 --> 01:22:58.920 affect the 01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:06.319 neighborhood how do how does a future proposal go into it 01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:06.920 because there you 01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:10.039 just admitted there were there were no final contracts 01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:11.279 there was nothing you 01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:15.470 are not moving dirt yet to develop anything so I understand 01:23:15.470 --> 01:23:15.920 your your 01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:20.760 clients opposition and concern to a large development like 01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:21.279 this but how 01:23:21.279 --> 01:23:24.130 might that play into our final decision since this isn't an 01:23:24.130 --> 01:23:24.760 established 01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:29.880 neighborhood that were that this project would be affecting 01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:31.760 this is a this is 01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:34.609 somewhere down the line how does that affect you have to 01:23:34.609 --> 01:23:35.520 work with the 01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:38.149 property adjacent properties as they exist at the time of 01:23:38.149 --> 01:23:39.439 the hearing so it 01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:44.689 can't be a speculative thing that happens later on in the 01:23:44.689 --> 01:23:46.600 future that's my 01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:50.760 understanding as well yes and just to add on to that 01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:52.159 Commissioner Brigham when we 01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:56.050 receive a zoning change request a request for a specific 01:23:56.050 --> 01:23:57.159 use permit we look 01:23:57.159 --> 01:24:00.920 at the surrounding zoning we look at the built-out pattern 01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:01.800 we understand the 01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:05.689 compatibility of the uses and our analysis as you've seen 01:24:05.689 --> 01:24:06.680 in your report 01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:09.550 addresses the surrounding zoning and land uses it addresses 01:24:09.550 --> 01:24:10.439 the compatibility 01:24:10.439 --> 01:24:13.890 with surrounding zoning and those land uses but the report 01:24:13.890 --> 01:24:14.760 goes further to 01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:18.979 explain to yourselves and of course the community that the 01:24:18.979 --> 01:24:20.479 analysis also 01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:23.649 requires assessment of the current development code and in 01:24:23.649 --> 01:24:24.479 this instance 01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:27.880 Mike Bell also iterated that we have specific multifamily 01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:28.680 development 01:24:28.680 --> 01:24:32.310 requirements and standards such as if you know adjacency to 01:24:32.310 --> 01:24:33.840 residential your 01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:37.029 sloping requirements of that multifamily unit so that you 01:24:37.029 --> 01:24:37.479 're not 01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:41.029 literally leaning into the backyard of potentially of 01:24:41.029 --> 01:24:42.560 existing residential 01:24:42.560 --> 01:24:46.159 homes or if there is a single-family zoning designation 01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:47.119 what if that builds 01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:50.600 out in that manner so those interests are looked at in the 01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:51.520 term in terms of 01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:54.840 access and infrastructure those elements are also addressed 01:24:54.840 --> 01:24:55.640 and we address them 01:24:55.640 --> 01:25:01.090 with this site and obviously our DRC manager engineering 01:25:01.090 --> 01:25:01.720 manager has also 01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:04.960 indicated that we do not deny access to two properties and 01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:06.319 there is existing a 01:25:06.319 --> 01:25:10.479 median opening or curb cut excuse me so we look at all 01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:11.520 those parameters and we 01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:14.010 don't single out the site and just look at the site in a 01:25:14.010 --> 01:25:15.239 vacuum of what's in and 01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:18.090 around the area right that's very helpful thank you very 01:25:18.090 --> 01:25:21.560 much I don't see 01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:27.829 any other questions thank you for your time this is a this 01:25:27.829 --> 01:25:29.000 is a public hearing 01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:38.359 so I'll go ahead and call on Dick Kelsey 01:25:43.479 --> 01:25:46.819 just a point of order just a second for the record do we 01:25:46.819 --> 01:25:47.720 need to get something 01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:52.550 else from this gentleman about yes actually sir could you 01:25:52.550 --> 01:25:53.199 get with our 01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:56.579 planning staff mr. Mike Bell I don't know if you've met and 01:25:56.579 --> 01:25:58.119 let him know mr. 01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:01.279 McCormick's company name or the name in which he holds his 01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:03.159 property please thank 01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:07.079 you thank you sir please state your name and address thank 01:26:07.079 --> 01:26:07.920 you my name is Dick or 01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:11.369 Richard H. Kelsey I live at 206 Richcrest Circle Denton 01:26:11.369 --> 01:26:13.960 Texas now for last 48 years 01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:17.739 we own the property which is immediately to the north law 01:26:17.739 --> 01:26:18.520 office there's 01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:23.600 approximately four acres in there about 80 percent 85 01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:25.399 percent we believe of the 01:26:25.399 --> 01:26:29.100 traffic that comes to see us comes from Denton downtown to 01:26:29.100 --> 01:26:30.479 our property and turns 01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:36.510 left into our parking lot if we cannot get some relief on 01:26:36.510 --> 01:26:39.119 the proposed raised 01:26:39.119 --> 01:26:43.479 median problem then people who are trying to come to our 01:26:43.479 --> 01:26:44.880 property will have 01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:47.750 to go almost an entire mile before there's a place to turn 01:26:47.750 --> 01:26:48.720 around that's on 01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:53.260 other than private property what what I'm addressed is I'm 01:26:53.260 --> 01:26:54.460 in favor of the 01:26:54.460 --> 01:26:57.409 project I think it's a great project something the city 01:26:57.409 --> 01:26:59.159 needs it's been well 01:26:59.159 --> 01:27:01.520 planned we did go to the neighborhood meeting and I was 01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:02.899 pleased with what we 01:27:02.899 --> 01:27:07.739 heard but they're going to turn loose somewhere around 300 01:27:07.739 --> 01:27:09.600 or to 600 cars and 01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:13.649 there is no way out of this to turn left into town there is 01:27:13.649 --> 01:27:15.680 no light there is no 01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:18.810 double lane there's no center lane to turn left you cannot 01:27:18.810 --> 01:27:19.720 get out of this 01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:23.039 property at 8 o'clock in the morning the traffic is already 01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:24.079 backed up past the 01:27:24.079 --> 01:27:27.430 fountain apartments on our East and you can't the people 01:27:27.430 --> 01:27:28.640 cannot get out of Mack 01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:34.649 Drive I can't get into our office property it's a mess and 01:27:34.649 --> 01:27:36.319 what we would 01:27:36.319 --> 01:27:38.680 like to ask you to do and I know this may not be 01:27:38.680 --> 01:27:40.279 appropriate I don't know if 01:27:40.279 --> 01:27:43.659 it is or not but if you could make some kind of notation we 01:27:43.659 --> 01:27:45.039 would love to have 01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:49.529 the two lanes put in east and west I mean would be fine and 01:27:49.529 --> 01:27:50.800 we would like to 01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:56.449 have a non raised median because if you could have the 01:27:56.449 --> 01:27:59.079 yellow marked median like 01:27:59.079 --> 01:28:02.800 we have on Dallas Drive seems to work well all of these 01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:04.199 properties front on 01:28:04.199 --> 01:28:07.289 McKinney and there are no backstreets there is no way to 01:28:07.289 --> 01:28:08.279 get to any of these 01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:13.029 properties without coming off of Mack Drive so if you look 01:28:13.029 --> 01:28:15.439 at the actual if 01:28:15.439 --> 01:28:17.899 we could pull up and I don't know how to do this sorry I'm 01:28:17.899 --> 01:28:18.880 not very technical 01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:23.159 staff will help you thank you want to see the over yes 01:28:23.159 --> 01:28:24.840 there you can see where 01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:29.239 the law office is the open area which is on the oh is our 01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:31.760 parking lot if you can 01:28:31.760 --> 01:28:34.989 see to the northeast corner of this property that and it's 01:28:34.989 --> 01:28:35.960 across from the 01:28:35.960 --> 01:28:39.069 fountain apartments that is the only access to this piece 01:28:39.069 --> 01:28:40.159 of property and 01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:44.159 there is not planned to be a light there how are these 01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:46.159 colors going to get out of 01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:50.810 there going to them and there will be a lot of them and if 01:28:50.810 --> 01:28:52.560 you go right which 01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:55.800 you can do if you think about you know that area you can't 01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:56.960 get back to Denton 01:28:56.960 --> 01:29:00.069 without going extremely up to north which would be Audre 01:29:00.069 --> 01:29:01.159 line wandering your 01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:04.760 way back that way or extremely south down to Spencer Road 01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:05.640 and then that area 01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:10.079 is an extremely difficult problem and what we would like to 01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:11.159 have you do is 01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:14.109 make the notation on this that that is a problem and do 01:29:14.109 --> 01:29:16.039 what you can I know that 01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:19.119 this is a state highway I know that there's a limited 01:29:19.119 --> 01:29:20.000 amount of input the 01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:23.890 city can have on a state highway however it's been my 01:29:23.890 --> 01:29:27.199 experience before that when 01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:31.640 you have something like this that you can get fairly good 01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:33.680 cooperation because 01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:38.239 we've got raised mediums all over town they create problems 01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:39.319 number one the 01:29:39.319 --> 01:29:42.840 maintenance issues the cost issue they plant them and they 01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:44.039 die they plant them 01:29:44.039 --> 01:29:47.289 and they die if you go down on Teasley you can look at the 01:29:47.289 --> 01:29:48.840 stumps where they've 01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:52.289 all been planted and now cut off it's a very big expense to 01:29:52.289 --> 01:29:53.359 the city to build 01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:58.649 and to maintain those raised those raised mediums so rather 01:29:58.649 --> 01:30:00.319 than I understand you 01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:02.840 can't just put a curb cut because we want a curb cut I 01:30:02.840 --> 01:30:04.239 understand that but if 01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:07.569 we had the center lane which was like doubt designed like 01:30:07.569 --> 01:30:08.800 Dallas Drive where 01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:13.529 you could mark your left turn areas that would solve almost 01:30:13.529 --> 01:30:14.760 all of the problems 01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:17.840 of all of the properties that are fronting on McKinney so 01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:19.000 this is a major 01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:22.090 problem I would ask you to address it if you can't address 01:30:22.090 --> 01:30:23.279 it here if nothing 01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:26.930 else at least make some kind of notation I have talked to 01:30:26.930 --> 01:30:28.399 traffic for the city 01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:31.850 we get a kind of attitude well there's nothing we can do 01:30:31.850 --> 01:30:33.159 well that's what I was 01:30:33.159 --> 01:30:35.300 going to point to you I think we have a gentleman here if 01:30:35.300 --> 01:30:36.239 he'll raise his hand 01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:40.199 mr. Earl Escobar yes and I believe Earl can get with you if 01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:40.760 you'd like to get 01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:43.119 with him obviously you've presented that he's here with the 01:30:43.119 --> 01:30:43.920 city to hopefully 01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:46.859 address your concern on the curb cut or the yellow striping 01:30:46.859 --> 01:30:47.800 and that would be a 01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:50.890 great point of contact for you on that item thank you very 01:30:50.890 --> 01:30:51.680 much he was courteous 01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:54.500 enough to call me back we have had a discussion great but 01:30:54.500 --> 01:30:55.560 his basic attitude 01:30:55.560 --> 01:30:58.380 is there's nothing I can do it's a text-up road I think it 01:30:58.380 --> 01:30:59.119 's a text-up road 01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:02.380 well I know from other experiences in town that there can 01:31:02.380 --> 01:31:03.279 be input from the 01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:07.229 city so you can't I'd ask the city not just ignore this 01:31:07.229 --> 01:31:08.520 problem because if you 01:31:08.520 --> 01:31:11.369 put those raised medians in that's going to be a continuous 01:31:11.369 --> 01:31:12.560 problem whereas if 01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:16.880 you put the painted medians in problem goes away and the 01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:18.359 cost factor would be 01:31:18.359 --> 01:31:23.319 much less thank you for your patience thank you sir 01:31:26.680 --> 01:31:41.350 thank you chair I have a question of Earl please yes yes it 01:31:41.350 --> 01:31:42.640 was stated that 01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:45.569 you mentioned that there's nothing the city can do in what 01:31:45.569 --> 01:31:46.800 reference was that 01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:52.770 made and why I don't believe I said that there's nothing we 01:31:52.770 --> 01:31:53.359 can do I just 01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:57.250 informed him that is a text out right away okay the text 01:31:57.250 --> 01:31:58.319 dot already has a 01:31:58.319 --> 01:32:03.460 design for that road and it does show a median design and 01:32:03.460 --> 01:32:04.680 so it's also my 01:32:04.680 --> 01:32:08.649 understanding that you have conversations with text dot and 01:32:08.649 --> 01:32:09.319 that you 01:32:09.319 --> 01:32:12.770 with all people within the department are most noted to 01:32:12.770 --> 01:32:14.039 have more discussions 01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:19.810 and with text and other city staff members the city has a I 01:32:19.810 --> 01:32:20.560 guess you can 01:32:20.560 --> 01:32:25.039 call him a liaison and represents his gentleman's name is 01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:28.279 John Polster okay and 01:32:28.279 --> 01:32:33.239 so have you directed any anybody to him at all on this 01:32:33.239 --> 01:32:36.560 issue I wasn't aware that 01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:40.880 the citizen wanted to pursue a stripe I guess a continuous 01:32:40.880 --> 01:32:42.239 left turn light is 01:32:42.239 --> 01:32:46.130 what he's referring to versus a medium design not to put 01:32:46.130 --> 01:32:47.399 you on the spot but 01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:50.189 sure is this Commission has been been sitting through a 01:32:50.189 --> 01:32:51.000 number of these 01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:54.479 situations if we get thrown up against text odd issues 01:32:54.479 --> 01:32:57.960 Teece Lee and Geyer High School and a number of other major 01:32:57.960 --> 01:32:59.760 arterials and it's 01:32:59.760 --> 01:33:02.369 become a constant problem and I've been very vocal about 01:33:02.369 --> 01:33:03.439 trying to get someone 01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:08.229 from the city to address us on the issues of the liaison 01:33:08.229 --> 01:33:10.000 situation and what 01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:13.399 we can do in certain circumstances and how we can escalate 01:33:13.399 --> 01:33:14.319 issues that our 01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:17.770 citizens bring to us where it goes it's a text on it's a 01:33:17.770 --> 01:33:19.039 county's County Road 01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:22.119 and these these issues are going to come up more and more 01:33:22.119 --> 01:33:24.119 as we expand and there 01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:26.739 are some other other things going on that have always come 01:33:26.739 --> 01:33:27.760 up against this so 01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:30.880 that's why I'm asking him put it on the record and there's 01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:31.840 there's also talks 01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:37.069 about the city possibly taking ownership and responsibility 01:33:37.069 --> 01:33:38.720 for for McKinney 01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:43.460 Street anyway from Woodrow to the east side of town or just 01:33:43.460 --> 01:33:44.159 east of Ryan Road 01:33:44.159 --> 01:33:47.279 Ryan High School and what's the I don't know what the 01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:50.520 status is on that I think 01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:54.970 it's could you find out and report back to us please thank 01:33:54.970 --> 01:33:56.000 you 01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:02.220 information to mr. Kelsey so they'll have another point of 01:34:02.220 --> 01:34:03.600 contact right if 01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:07.920 you'll take a look going east where we would have to where 01:34:07.920 --> 01:34:09.319 people would have to 01:34:09.319 --> 01:34:12.399 come all the way past this law office you can see there is 01:34:12.399 --> 01:34:13.279 no place to turn 01:34:13.279 --> 01:34:16.680 around it's not on private property unless you get into the 01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:17.560 back streets and 01:34:17.560 --> 01:34:20.869 then you'd have to get in front of us driveway or do a 01:34:20.869 --> 01:34:22.199 circular turn at an 01:34:22.199 --> 01:34:25.390 intersection none of which is a good idea thank you very 01:34:25.390 --> 01:34:26.520 much thank you for 01:34:26.520 --> 01:34:32.920 your input I'm sorry mr. Commissioner Hudson apologize 01:34:32.920 --> 01:34:34.720 thank you mr. Kelsey so 01:34:34.720 --> 01:34:41.119 I have a question I think and then but you first what are 01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:42.479 your thoughts just as 01:34:42.479 --> 01:34:47.079 a as a stopgap Matt Park is there to the right so assuming 01:34:47.079 --> 01:34:48.199 I'm coming from Luke 01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:52.000 288 trying to find your law firm and I see it I miss it 01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:54.079 that is a perfect you 01:34:54.079 --> 01:34:57.369 turn if you will because it's a straight shot I turn in 01:34:57.369 --> 01:34:58.600 turn left and I can turn 01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:02.130 out of there get back on the road and then make a left turn 01:35:02.130 --> 01:35:03.359 into your law firm 01:35:03.359 --> 01:35:09.340 and if I miss it going the other way then there's an 01:35:09.340 --> 01:35:10.840 opportunity at the signal 01:35:10.840 --> 01:35:14.539 light which is a few blocks down as a as a stopgap but my 01:35:14.539 --> 01:35:16.920 question to I guess for 01:35:16.920 --> 01:35:21.880 Earl or staff is when we say text on are we talking about 01:35:21.880 --> 01:35:24.359 the future road that's 01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:30.350 2018 ish and if so what is the what's what bridges the gap 01:35:30.350 --> 01:35:32.279 between now and 01:35:32.279 --> 01:35:36.630 then what's going to be there or is the city going to put a 01:35:36.630 --> 01:35:38.880 fixture in until 01:35:38.880 --> 01:35:42.279 Texan expands the highway may I respond to that 01:35:42.279 --> 01:35:44.720 Commissioner husband yes sir if 01:35:44.720 --> 01:35:48.229 you'll look it's actually double yellow all the way from 01:35:48.229 --> 01:35:49.600 the light double yellow 01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:53.500 line that is don't cross over it all the way from the light 01:35:53.500 --> 01:35:55.039 all the way down past 01:35:55.039 --> 01:35:59.449 us passed before Mack Park and so all these businesses that 01:35:59.449 --> 01:36:00.359 you see on the 01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:04.539 corner there where the light is on Audra and Woodrow yes 01:36:04.539 --> 01:36:05.800 sir if you go east that 01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:09.850 is all a double yellow line and people pull into those 01:36:09.850 --> 01:36:11.439 businesses over the 01:36:11.439 --> 01:36:14.659 double yellow lines right now okay just but people are 01:36:14.659 --> 01:36:16.239 patient they just drive 01:36:16.239 --> 01:36:18.489 around them on the right I mean people are very nice and 01:36:18.489 --> 01:36:19.720 very courteous but 01:36:19.720 --> 01:36:22.800 right now if you're trying to get out of Mack Park to go to 01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:24.039 work either right or 01:36:24.039 --> 01:36:28.000 left if the if the courteous drivers don't give you a gap 01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:29.079 you cannot get out 01:36:29.079 --> 01:36:36.720 of there thank you very much thank you okay this is a 01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:39.000 public hearing well do 01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:43.239 you follow up yes well no I didn't get a I was curious if 01:36:43.239 --> 01:36:46.680 the tech stop curb 01:36:46.680 --> 01:36:51.310 we're discussing is at a later date who's responsible for 01:36:51.310 --> 01:36:52.520 the cut the turns 01:36:52.520 --> 01:36:58.020 that will be affecting this property is my question I think 01:36:58.020 --> 01:36:59.479 to answer your 01:36:59.479 --> 01:37:02.329 question I think at this particular time there's there's 01:37:02.329 --> 01:37:03.600 nothing for text I 01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:07.189 believe in our presentation part of the improvements are is 01:37:07.189 --> 01:37:08.199 for there to be a 01:37:08.199 --> 01:37:11.359 left turn in line and then also a right turn in line that 01:37:11.359 --> 01:37:12.319 are part of the 01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:14.739 improvements for this particular project that were 01:37:14.739 --> 01:37:15.560 presented in the 01:37:15.560 --> 01:37:20.180 presentation if I'm if I'm incorrect please correct me on 01:37:20.180 --> 01:37:21.960 that that's correct 01:37:21.960 --> 01:37:23.920 the left turn lane and right turn lane will be built by the 01:37:23.920 --> 01:37:25.479 applicant at this 01:37:25.479 --> 01:37:29.520 time whenever they construct the apartment built being curb 01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:31.079 or painted I 01:37:31.079 --> 01:37:34.479 mean because that's the issue right if are they gonna put 01:37:34.479 --> 01:37:36.359 in a curb no I think 01:37:36.359 --> 01:37:41.359 at this point it'll be a temporary guy that's what I thank 01:37:41.359 --> 01:37:43.880 you sure 01:37:43.880 --> 01:37:51.239 Commissioner back yes Mike when you say the applicants 01:37:51.239 --> 01:37:52.960 gonna create this left 01:37:52.960 --> 01:38:00.119 turn they actually doing are they paying the city to do 01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:04.359 that that development 01:38:04.359 --> 01:38:07.630 loop will be responsible for the financial for the 01:38:07.630 --> 01:38:09.079 financial but the city 01:38:09.079 --> 01:38:11.930 will actually be doing the work no no they'll hire a 01:38:11.930 --> 01:38:13.279 contractor okay work 01:38:13.279 --> 01:38:16.449 okay so they'll be financially responsible to put in both 01:38:16.449 --> 01:38:17.199 the left turn 01:38:17.199 --> 01:38:19.810 and the right turn lines to serve their development okay 01:38:19.810 --> 01:38:20.479 that kind of negates 01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:27.279 my second part so thanks I don't see any other requests for 01:38:27.279 --> 01:38:28.319 this particular 01:38:28.319 --> 01:38:33.050 yellow card so we will move forward again this is a public 01:38:33.050 --> 01:38:34.000 hearing if 01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:36.350 there's anyone that would like to speak please fill out a 01:38:36.350 --> 01:38:37.279 yellow card and come 01:38:37.279 --> 01:38:44.560 down we have next Yolanda Vela at 2201 Geneva Circle and 01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:48.359 she is in support yes 01:38:48.359 --> 01:38:56.520 please come down and as you approach the mic if you'll give 01:38:56.520 --> 01:38:57.199 us your name and 01:38:57.199 --> 01:39:00.119 address and your comments and you'll have three minutes 01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:01.399 thank you thank you 01:39:01.399 --> 01:39:05.319 my name is Yolanda Vela Voral I reside at 2201 Geneva 01:39:05.319 --> 01:39:06.680 Circle in Denton Texas 01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:13.640 Mr. Chairman Commissioners I'm here representing the Vela 01:39:13.640 --> 01:39:14.520 family we're very 01:39:14.520 --> 01:39:19.550 excited about this project and you've heard the 01:39:19.550 --> 01:39:23.159 presentation from NRP I'd like 01:39:23.159 --> 01:39:25.460 to add a couple of things we've heard a lot about traffic 01:39:25.460 --> 01:39:26.319 tonight I was kind of 01:39:26.319 --> 01:39:29.260 curious myself and so I contacted the director of 01:39:29.260 --> 01:39:30.600 transportation had a 01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:36.569 little conversation with him he did say that TechStop has 01:39:36.569 --> 01:39:37.760 this on schedule 01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:42.399 McKinney widening for 2019 but he also stated that the city 01:39:42.399 --> 01:39:43.399 was in fact in 01:39:43.399 --> 01:39:47.130 negotiations and exploring the possibility of taking this 01:39:47.130 --> 01:39:47.960 widening on 01:39:47.960 --> 01:39:51.850 themselves for several reasons I can assume that's the need 01:39:51.850 --> 01:39:52.699 of her sidewalk 01:39:52.699 --> 01:39:55.609 and because we have schools and down that road I do 01:39:55.609 --> 01:39:57.319 understand that the city 01:39:57.319 --> 01:39:59.390 will have to take on the maintenance at that time but I 01:39:59.390 --> 01:40:00.520 think it's much needed in 01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:08.399 this area I do understand the issues that mr. Kelso has it 01:40:08.399 --> 01:40:09.199 is a dangerous road 01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:12.560 to drive I drive it frequently but I'm hoping that the city 01:40:12.560 --> 01:40:13.600 will take this on 01:40:13.600 --> 01:40:17.050 and I hope that you guys will support them in that decision 01:40:17.050 --> 01:40:19.920 I also have a lot 01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:23.560 of experience in presenting projects to the city and this 01:40:23.560 --> 01:40:24.760 is an infill lot and 01:40:24.760 --> 01:40:27.850 there's good reason why we develop infill lots and that's 01:40:27.850 --> 01:40:30.199 for revenue I have 01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:33.840 not kept up with any of the tax incentives that may benefit 01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:34.760 this project 01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:38.720 but I need to know for a fact that the ad valerian taxes 01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:40.279 will be more than they 01:40:40.279 --> 01:40:43.829 are now for a vacant piece of property I also know that the 01:40:43.829 --> 01:40:45.039 city will benefit 01:40:45.039 --> 01:40:49.039 from the revenues of this project DME water and wastewater 01:40:49.039 --> 01:40:50.359 solid waste and 01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:55.119 parks parks will gain some development funds for parks and 01:40:55.119 --> 01:40:57.319 parks amenities that 01:40:57.319 --> 01:41:02.590 are much needed in that area these are just a few of the 01:41:02.590 --> 01:41:04.119 things on the list 01:41:04.119 --> 01:41:07.069 that I've heard over the presentation tonight and I wanted 01:41:07.069 --> 01:41:08.239 to add to that we 01:41:08.239 --> 01:41:11.960 would as a family like to join NRP and asking you to 01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:15.640 support this SUP we do feel 01:41:15.640 --> 01:41:19.970 that it meets the spirit and the codes the DDC and we would 01:41:19.970 --> 01:41:21.479 ask for your support 01:41:21.479 --> 01:41:26.229 and lastly I would really like to thank all of you for your 01:41:26.229 --> 01:41:28.039 time and effort in 01:41:28.039 --> 01:41:36.840 our community thank you thank you for your comments we have 01:41:36.840 --> 01:41:38.880 another card Lance 01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:46.930 and Vans and 512 West Hickory in support thank you mr. 01:41:46.930 --> 01:41:48.239 chairman just if I could 01:41:48.239 --> 01:41:50.310 just briefly speak to a couple of points that were brought 01:41:50.310 --> 01:41:51.319 up in the opposition 01:41:51.319 --> 01:41:55.479 the first the first item that the adjacent owner had an 01:41:55.479 --> 01:41:56.680 issue with were 01:41:56.680 --> 01:41:58.739 the number of units and I'll just point out in that and I 01:41:58.739 --> 01:41:59.560 'll try not to be too 01:41:59.560 --> 01:42:01.420 repetitive I think some of these questions have been 01:42:01.420 --> 01:42:02.840 answered but within 01:42:02.840 --> 01:42:05.310 the within your staff report you'll see that this was that 01:42:05.310 --> 01:42:06.199 the number of units 01:42:06.199 --> 01:42:09.449 we have was well within range of the moderate residential 01:42:09.449 --> 01:42:10.399 as indicated on 01:42:10.399 --> 01:42:14.739 your future land use map regarding the curb cut we 01:42:14.739 --> 01:42:16.640 obviously positioned our 01:42:16.640 --> 01:42:19.579 curb cuts in a way as you saw from the site development 01:42:19.579 --> 01:42:21.000 that would maximize the 01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:23.850 number of trees we could save and just simply to be in 01:42:23.850 --> 01:42:24.960 compliance with with 01:42:24.960 --> 01:42:28.449 curb cuts there on to onto state highways this doesn't prec 01:42:28.449 --> 01:42:29.439 lude any the 01:42:29.439 --> 01:42:31.770 adjacent owner or any other adjacent owner from accessing 01:42:31.770 --> 01:42:32.560 their property in 01:42:32.560 --> 01:42:35.760 the future but I think as Commissioner Hudson and 01:42:35.760 --> 01:42:37.159 Commissioner Brighill pointed 01:42:37.159 --> 01:42:40.350 out any development that might occur on that property is 01:42:40.350 --> 01:42:41.720 purely speculative and 01:42:41.720 --> 01:42:44.689 we have before you tonight and an application that is in 01:42:44.689 --> 01:42:45.239 full compliance 01:42:45.239 --> 01:42:48.710 with the spirit and intent of your of your of the Denton 01:42:48.710 --> 01:42:49.960 code and of your of 01:42:49.960 --> 01:42:52.880 your development code we haven't asked for any variances 01:42:52.880 --> 01:42:54.279 and we are not asking 01:42:54.279 --> 01:42:57.029 for anything inconsistent with staff recommendations we're 01:42:57.029 --> 01:42:57.880 willing to comply 01:42:57.880 --> 01:43:00.729 with all the conditions requested by staff in their report 01:43:00.729 --> 01:43:01.479 thank you very 01:43:01.479 --> 01:43:08.439 much thank you again this is a public hearing there's 01:43:08.439 --> 01:43:09.319 anyone else that would 01:43:09.319 --> 01:43:13.520 like to speak please come down at this time 01:43:15.439 --> 01:43:17.420 while we're waiting if anyone else would like to speak we 01:43:17.420 --> 01:43:18.960 have some other letters 01:43:18.960 --> 01:43:21.039 of support I want to just acknowledge those and read those 01:43:21.039 --> 01:43:21.600 as part of the 01:43:21.600 --> 01:43:24.829 record we have one letter of support from the Denton 01:43:24.829 --> 01:43:25.399 Independent School 01:43:25.399 --> 01:43:30.630 District from dr. Jamie Wilson a day in October excuse me 01:43:30.630 --> 01:43:31.800 August the 12th in 01:43:31.800 --> 01:43:39.140 support we have also from Denton County MHMR Center Pam Gut 01:43:39.140 --> 01:43:41.199 ierrez letter stated 01:43:41.199 --> 01:43:46.310 June 16th in support we have a third letter from friends of 01:43:46.310 --> 01:43:47.720 the family dated 01:43:47.720 --> 01:43:52.800 June the 3rd from Tony Johnson Simpson that is a letter of 01:43:52.800 --> 01:43:54.640 support and we have 01:43:54.640 --> 01:44:04.100 another letter from in support this is from Gary Henderson 01:44:04.100 --> 01:44:05.640 of the United Way 01:44:05.640 --> 01:44:11.239 dated May the 29th again this is a public hearing if there 01:44:11.239 --> 01:44:11.840 's anyone else 01:44:11.840 --> 01:44:16.310 that would like to speak please come down at this time with 01:44:16.310 --> 01:44:17.439 a yellow card 01:44:17.720 --> 01:44:21.909 I'm not seeing any additional requests to speak at this 01:44:21.909 --> 01:44:23.199 time we're going to 01:44:23.199 --> 01:44:29.399 close I'm sorry we have one other Commissioner Briegel no 01:44:29.399 --> 01:44:30.520 please go ahead 01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:35.409 and continue I'll wait for you to finish okay this is a 01:44:35.409 --> 01:44:36.680 point of order I want to 01:44:36.680 --> 01:44:39.789 confirm we're going to close the public hearing at this 01:44:39.789 --> 01:44:42.039 time yep we're going to 01:44:42.039 --> 01:44:46.399 close the public hearing at this time and due to some of 01:44:46.399 --> 01:44:47.960 the letters that have 01:44:47.960 --> 01:44:52.250 come in since this was originally before our meeting we're 01:44:52.250 --> 01:44:53.159 going to need to take 01:44:53.159 --> 01:45:00.000 a short recess 10 minutes 15 10 to 15 minutes max to do 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:01.520 some recalculations to 01:45:01.520 --> 01:45:05.409 see how much opposition we have on this project so at 730 01:45:05.409 --> 01:45:07.359 we are going to take a 01:45:07.359 --> 01:45:11.079 short 10 to 15 me that minute recess and then we will recon 01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:12.359 vene in these chambers 01:45:12.359 --> 01:45:14.880 thank you 01:45:32.159 --> 01:45:37.710 good evening we're back from our recess it is 745 and I'm 01:45:37.710 --> 01:45:39.640 going to call on staff 01:45:39.640 --> 01:45:43.310 to to give us their new calculations on opposition I'm 01:45:43.310 --> 01:45:44.439 going to ask all 01:45:44.439 --> 01:45:49.779 commissioners to make sure your mics are back on thank you 01:45:49.779 --> 01:45:52.000 chair since we have 01:45:52.000 --> 01:45:55.920 determined on break that mr. McCormick does own the 01:45:55.920 --> 01:45:57.560 property to the west and 01:45:57.560 --> 01:46:02.180 the south the amount of area that falls within the 200 foot 01:46:02.180 --> 01:46:03.279 buffer for the 01:46:03.279 --> 01:46:06.829 purposes of chapter 211 of the Texas Local Government Code 01:46:06.829 --> 01:46:07.960 has exceeded 20 01:46:07.960 --> 01:46:11.289 percent in its objection which means that that does call 01:46:11.289 --> 01:46:11.939 for a super 01:46:11.939 --> 01:46:15.020 majority vote and since we are missing a member tonight 01:46:15.020 --> 01:46:16.199 that means all of the 01:46:16.199 --> 01:46:21.159 people present would have to vote in favor for this SUP to 01:46:21.159 --> 01:46:22.840 pass 01:46:27.640 --> 01:46:32.420 Commissioner Bruegel thank you chair I am very excited 01:46:32.420 --> 01:46:36.680 about this project for a 01:46:36.680 --> 01:46:40.210 number of reasons first I would like to talk about the the 01:46:40.210 --> 01:46:41.720 traffic concerns that 01:46:41.720 --> 01:46:44.369 were brought up they're valid concerns but I would like to 01:46:44.369 --> 01:46:45.000 remind this 01:46:45.000 --> 01:46:50.500 Commission that we often approve developments along Teasley 01:46:50.500 --> 01:46:51.840 even though we 01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:51.840 have many traffic concerns along that road it also is a 01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:56.319 text dot road where 01:46:56.319 --> 01:46:58.710 uncertain when construction is going to begin and so I 01:46:58.710 --> 01:47:00.079 would hope that we would 01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:05.180 not single out affordable housing because of a traffic 01:47:05.180 --> 01:47:06.359 concern whereas we 01:47:06.359 --> 01:47:14.430 we regularly approve large housing projects along in a more 01:47:14.430 --> 01:47:15.760 affluent part 01:47:15.760 --> 01:47:18.180 of town so I just would like to put that out to the 01:47:18.180 --> 01:47:20.000 Commission I think this 01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:22.670 development does meet the requirements of the Denton 01:47:22.670 --> 01:47:24.119 development code fact it 01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:28.579 exceeds them in many ways though I am I will say I'm heart 01:47:28.579 --> 01:47:30.199 broken to see the loss 01:47:30.199 --> 01:47:33.680 of so many trees I am encouraged by the number of trees 01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:36.119 that were saved in this 01:47:36.119 --> 01:47:40.020 project you saved more than than we require you to in 01:47:40.020 --> 01:47:42.199 addition planting many 01:47:42.199 --> 01:47:46.090 trees along the perimeter of the property and in the 01:47:46.090 --> 01:47:48.880 parking lots and it's it's 01:47:48.880 --> 01:47:53.890 very promising so I'm very excited about that it is a it's 01:47:53.890 --> 01:47:55.439 a good project 01:47:55.439 --> 01:47:58.760 Commissioner Hudspeth and I served together on the 01:47:58.760 --> 01:47:59.880 Community Development 01:47:59.880 --> 01:48:01.869 Advisory Board for a couple of years in fact I think 01:48:01.869 --> 01:48:03.039 Commissioner Hudspeth you 01:48:03.039 --> 01:48:08.050 chaired it for a while I'm not correct yeah and and when we 01:48:08.050 --> 01:48:08.800 go to these public 01:48:08.800 --> 01:48:13.359 hearings prior to when we meet to determine how to allocate 01:48:13.359 --> 01:48:13.800 these these 01:48:13.800 --> 01:48:18.170 federal block grant dollars the number one concern we 01:48:18.170 --> 01:48:20.399 always hear always is 01:48:20.399 --> 01:48:24.199 affordable housing affordable housing and we there's 01:48:24.199 --> 01:48:25.760 clearly a need in this 01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:29.689 community this addresses this need it's just a drop in the 01:48:29.689 --> 01:48:30.479 bucket I understand 01:48:30.479 --> 01:48:33.560 that there are thousands more that are in need but it is a 01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:34.600 step in the right 01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:40.229 direction I'm in favor of this project and I would like to 01:48:40.229 --> 01:48:41.279 make a motion to 01:48:41.279 --> 01:48:46.039 approve it with the staff recommendations as listed in our 01:48:46.039 --> 01:48:48.439 backup 01:48:51.600 --> 01:48:54.880 Commissioner Dunwoody's I too would like to support this 01:48:54.880 --> 01:48:57.680 this motion and and that 01:48:57.680 --> 01:49:01.739 since we have to have a super majority that I find the 01:49:01.739 --> 01:49:03.399 opposition has very 01:49:03.399 --> 01:49:07.130 little little merit in with regard to what what we're 01:49:07.130 --> 01:49:08.760 looking at here so I 01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:14.800 second the motion I have a first and a second Commissioner 01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:16.279 Rozelle thank you 01:49:16.279 --> 01:49:20.760 chair I too echo the the excitement for this project I'm in 01:49:20.760 --> 01:49:21.920 favor of it and and 01:49:21.920 --> 01:49:25.409 sure hope that it passes tonight what I wanted to just go 01:49:25.409 --> 01:49:27.199 on record stating as 01:49:27.199 --> 01:49:32.380 the council looks to approve this as well is whether or not 01:49:32.380 --> 01:49:33.899 it's it's noted 01:49:33.899 --> 01:49:36.460 or acknowledged there's a measurable homeless community 01:49:36.460 --> 01:49:38.359 that currently resides 01:49:38.359 --> 01:49:41.189 in that property even if on Google Maps you can kind of see 01:49:41.189 --> 01:49:42.239 the trails that the 01:49:42.239 --> 01:49:45.319 homeless community has built in those woods and their makes 01:49:45.319 --> 01:49:46.560 hift houses and so 01:49:46.560 --> 01:49:50.720 as we look to displace those individuals I just urge the 01:49:50.720 --> 01:49:51.920 city to take note of 01:49:51.920 --> 01:49:55.170 that that there is a plan in place for the taking care of 01:49:55.170 --> 01:49:56.640 those individuals as 01:49:56.640 --> 01:50:00.020 as they're not already displaced enough they're going to be 01:50:00.020 --> 01:50:01.239 further displaced 01:50:01.239 --> 01:50:04.930 with this and so I just hope that there is plans in place 01:50:04.930 --> 01:50:06.079 to address that 01:50:06.079 --> 01:50:08.920 concern going forward 01:50:11.199 --> 01:50:15.090 okay we have a first and a second we have any other 01:50:15.090 --> 01:50:20.359 discussion just for a 01:50:20.359 --> 01:50:22.970 point of order and clarification do you have all four of 01:50:22.970 --> 01:50:24.680 the conditions yes what 01:50:24.680 --> 01:50:28.920 you would like we have a first and second no more 01:50:28.920 --> 01:50:30.000 discussion I'll call for 01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:32.680 a vote on the board 01:50:36.079 --> 01:50:55.760 the motion carries six zero that will move us to our item 01:50:55.760 --> 01:50:57.600 number four we have 01:50:57.600 --> 01:51:01.720 our planning and zoning Commission project matrix or future 01:51:01.720 --> 01:51:01.760 that it's 01:51:01.760 --> 01:51:07.729 purely for reference and if the Commission wishes to add 01:51:07.729 --> 01:51:08.760 complement or 01:51:08.760 --> 01:51:13.779 delete any items we can do that with the future agenda 01:51:13.779 --> 01:51:16.079 items that's fine with 01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:22.279 chair we will then move on to item number five concluding 01:51:22.279 --> 01:51:26.140 items Commissioner 01:51:26.140 --> 01:51:28.500 Bruegel thank you chair I was just wondering if we could 01:51:28.500 --> 01:51:29.279 get an update from 01:51:29.279 --> 01:51:33.439 staff about our upcoming meeting for the mobility the 01:51:33.439 --> 01:51:36.000 mobility plan thank you 01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:40.199 Commissioner Bruegel we anticipate the agenda and 01:51:40.199 --> 01:51:44.560 associated reports with the 01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:47.930 mobility plan discussion that we had from last week we 01:51:47.930 --> 01:51:49.159 anticipate to have 01:51:49.159 --> 01:51:52.439 the meeting on November the 11th tentative start date time 01:51:52.439 --> 01:51:53.640 at 530 p.m. 01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:57.899 and as soon as we have the packet ready we will make sure 01:51:57.899 --> 01:51:59.760 that everybody gets it 01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:06.760 I'm sorry what was that date November 11th tentatively for 01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:09.199 530 p.m. 01:52:16.199 --> 01:52:27.640 anyone else if not at 852 excuse me 752 excuse me 752 I 01:52:27.640 --> 01:52:29.399 close the planning and 01:52:29.399 --> 01:52:32.720 zoning Commission meeting thank you