1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,200 Commission work session. This meeting has been duly posted 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:05,000 and we have a quorum 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,449 present and I'm going to call the work session to order at 4 00:00:08,449 --> 00:00:10,519 five o'clock. Our 5 00:00:10,519 --> 00:00:14,000 first item this evening is going to be to receive 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,759 clarification of agenda items 7 00:00:15,759 --> 00:00:19,489 and I'll turn to Manal for the presentation of those. Thank 8 00:00:19,489 --> 00:00:19,719 you 9 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:21,800 Commissioner Strange. We're going to go ahead and start 10 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:22,760 with our plots. We have 11 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,519 two plots on the consent agenda and Mike Bell is going to 12 00:00:26,519 --> 00:00:27,300 present them and 13 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:30,620 explain why they're before us tonight. Yeah these might 14 00:00:30,620 --> 00:00:31,839 look familiar to you. 15 00:00:31,839 --> 00:00:36,289 We've seen this plat before. It was previously approved by 16 00:00:36,289 --> 00:00:37,920 the P&Z but it 17 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,810 turns out that the owner of this parcel here actually had 18 00:00:41,810 --> 00:00:43,439 ownership claim to a 19 00:00:43,439 --> 00:00:46,820 strip of about 30 feet in between where Alamo Place ends 20 00:00:46,820 --> 00:00:47,939 and where they want to 21 00:00:47,939 --> 00:00:51,840 extend it. So the developer had to go purchase that 30 feet 22 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:52,600 and now they've 23 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,700 included in this plat and are dedicating it as public right 24 00:00:54,700 --> 00:00:55,560 of way. So the whole 25 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,350 purpose of this was just to dedicate this little patch a 26 00:00:58,350 --> 00:00:59,399 public right of way. 27 00:00:59,399 --> 00:01:02,479 But nothing else has changed. It is in the historic 28 00:01:02,479 --> 00:01:04,319 district so they'll be coming 29 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,719 before the HLC to do any building permits. Mike would you 30 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:09,400 just go over 31 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,959 access on how these lots will be accessed? Yes sure. These 32 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,000 six plots here 33 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,000 facing Oak Street will get access directly from Oak Street 34 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:18,680 but through 35 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:23,319 shared access driveways and then these four lots in the 36 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:24,640 back will get each get 37 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,640 their own access off of the Alamo Place cul-de-sac. 38 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,680 Commissioner back. Thank you. 39 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,140 What is block A? Is that just for maybe future use to break 40 00:01:35,140 --> 00:01:35,920 down into smaller 41 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,709 lots or has that got a purpose now? No the entire subdiv 42 00:01:38,709 --> 00:01:40,519 ision is block A. So if 43 00:01:40,519 --> 00:01:45,120 they were typical symbology for plats is if there's a road 44 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,079 way dividing two pieces 45 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:50,159 of property one be block A and one be block B and each lot 46 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:50,879 within that block 47 00:01:50,879 --> 00:01:54,879 has a number. So block A lot 1 through 10, block B lot 1 48 00:01:54,879 --> 00:01:55,959 through 10. Okay so they can be 49 00:01:55,959 --> 00:02:00,319 broken down into smaller plots. Thanks. 50 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:05,760 For clarification. Commissioner Rossell. Were you speaking 51 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:06,359 specifically of the 52 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:11,860 larger lot 10 within block A? Yes. Block A yeah the big. 53 00:02:11,860 --> 00:02:13,120 You're speaking 54 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,569 specifically of lot 10. Is there a reason why lot 10 is so 55 00:02:16,569 --> 00:02:18,639 much more sizable? This is the 56 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,719 original owner and he's keeping it for himself. Gotcha. 57 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:27,750 Thank you Mike and then of course this is the preliminary 58 00:02:27,750 --> 00:02:29,400 plot and then you have 59 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:35,409 the final plot that follows. We're just hearing them. We 60 00:02:35,409 --> 00:02:38,159 also have we can move 61 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:43,090 forward with our SUP request a specific use permit for a 62 00:02:43,090 --> 00:02:44,199 multifamily development. 63 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:46,930 Mike is going to walk us through this one and address all 64 00:02:46,930 --> 00:02:47,719 the questions that 65 00:02:47,719 --> 00:02:51,610 you may have regarding this request. Thank you. This is S- 66 00:02:51,610 --> 00:02:53,719 15-9 for McKinney 67 00:02:53,719 --> 00:02:56,569 Denton Apartments. It is a request for a specific use 68 00:02:56,569 --> 00:02:58,520 permit so essentially it's a 69 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,189 request to allow this specific use in this district and the 70 00:03:02,189 --> 00:03:03,199 request is for a 71 00:03:03,199 --> 00:03:06,719 multifamily development. The developer is NRP Apartments. 72 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:07,840 They're doing this in 73 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,479 cooperation with the Denton Housing Authority. Will be 100% 74 00:03:11,479 --> 00:03:12,719 subsidized units. 75 00:03:12,719 --> 00:03:17,159 No market rate units as part of the low income housing tax 76 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:19,879 credit. The subject 77 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:22,759 property is shown here in yellow on the south side of McKin 78 00:03:22,759 --> 00:03:24,639 ney Street. This is 79 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:29,560 Woodrow here to the west. It is a 16 acre site heavily 80 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,680 forested. You know McKinney 81 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:37,110 Street is currently a two-lane undivided roadway. To the 82 00:03:37,110 --> 00:03:38,560 left we have the DME 83 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,129 substation. Some of y'all sell that SUP and then further to 84 00:03:42,129 --> 00:03:43,080 the left is the 85 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,830 recently approved SUP for the majestic at McKinney Apart 86 00:03:47,830 --> 00:03:50,759 ments. To the south down 87 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:53,000 here is property that's undeveloped but it's zoned for 88 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,360 single-family. To the west 89 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,550 there's actually a parcel in between the subject property 90 00:04:00,550 --> 00:04:02,360 and then Mack Park and 91 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,210 it's undeveloped but zoned for mixed-use. It has the same 92 00:04:05,210 --> 00:04:07,319 zoning as our site of NRMU. 93 00:04:07,319 --> 00:04:12,530 And then to the north their collection of properties Mack 94 00:04:12,530 --> 00:04:14,319 Park, the Summerwind 95 00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:18,029 single-family neighborhood. There's a law office here. F 96 00:04:18,029 --> 00:04:19,240 ountains of Denton 97 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,459 apartment complex, some single-family and then a small 98 00:04:23,459 --> 00:04:25,759 patch of mixed-use zoning 99 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:32,540 that's also undeveloped. As I stated the current zoning is 100 00:04:32,540 --> 00:04:35,079 NRMU. This whole site 101 00:04:35,079 --> 00:04:39,360 used to be with the 2002 citywide rezoning was all NRMU 12 102 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:40,240 and in the past 103 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,680 we had a developer come in who wanted to develop the site 104 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,160 in 2008 and he rezoned 105 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,850 it all to NRMU and actually had an SUP for multi-family 106 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:49,079 approved but he never 107 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:52,019 developed and so our code says if you didn't develop within 108 00:04:52,019 --> 00:04:53,079 two years it's 109 00:04:53,079 --> 00:04:56,360 expired so that SUP has expired and now that's why we need 110 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,759 a new one. Completely 111 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:01,649 new developer, completely new applicants, completely new 112 00:05:01,649 --> 00:05:02,439 project. 113 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:06,490 This is the site plan here. I'll break it down for you in 114 00:05:06,490 --> 00:05:07,839 just a minute but 115 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,120 there are 11 apartment buildings that consist of 322 units. 116 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,160 They have two 117 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,160 community centers and some amenities, business center, 118 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,319 fitness center, pool, 119 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:20,579 after-school program. The applicants for Denton Housing 120 00:05:20,579 --> 00:05:22,040 Authority or the 121 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,889 representatives for Denton Housing Authority and the 122 00:05:24,889 --> 00:05:26,360 developer will go into a little bit more 123 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,259 about the programming. They should be here for the regular 124 00:05:28,259 --> 00:05:28,920 session so if you 125 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,879 have questions about how their operations are going to run 126 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:31,399 I would like 127 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:34,120 to leave that for them and I'll answer the specific site 128 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,120 plan related questions. 129 00:05:37,199 --> 00:05:39,959 There are several building types. There are three type A 130 00:05:39,959 --> 00:05:40,959 which are three story 131 00:05:40,959 --> 00:05:45,389 buildings with 30 units each. Two type B buildings also 132 00:05:45,389 --> 00:05:46,839 with three stories with 30 133 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:53,740 units each. One type C three stories with 12 units. Two 134 00:05:53,740 --> 00:05:55,279 type D buildings two 135 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,519 stories with 10 units. There are two type E buildings these 136 00:05:59,519 --> 00:06:00,879 were very similar at 137 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:03,069 first. We worked with the applicant to change up their elev 138 00:06:03,069 --> 00:06:03,759 ations so they were 139 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:06,930 they'll look different from the street and those are also 140 00:06:06,930 --> 00:06:08,120 two stories with 12 141 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:13,389 units and then lastly they had to go vertical four stories 142 00:06:13,389 --> 00:06:15,160 116 units in this 143 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,930 one and this was probably their biggest change from their 144 00:06:16,930 --> 00:06:17,800 original application 145 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,160 because there are a large number of trees which are going 146 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:20,920 to in a minute but 147 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,029 they had to go vertical so they could preserve the amount 148 00:06:23,029 --> 00:06:23,879 of trees they needed 149 00:06:23,879 --> 00:06:28,930 to meet our tree code. And lastly there's two amenity 150 00:06:28,930 --> 00:06:31,360 centers shown here and here 151 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,240 as well as they did provide 35 bike racks one for each 152 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,160 building and then 153 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,329 they also provided some enhanced sidewalk along the street 154 00:06:42,329 --> 00:06:43,279 which I'll go 155 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:48,129 to in here in a minute as well. I'm not going to show you 156 00:06:48,129 --> 00:06:49,160 all the elevations but 157 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,689 these are generally what all the buildings are going to 158 00:06:50,689 --> 00:06:51,759 look like. This 159 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:56,560 kind of design style with stucco and the stone and wood s 160 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,040 iding or hardy board 161 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,620 siding. Generally they'll all follow this design scheme. I 162 00:07:02,620 --> 00:07:03,519 did provide the actual 163 00:07:03,519 --> 00:07:08,009 elevations in your backup in case you have questions on 164 00:07:08,009 --> 00:07:10,160 that. In terms of 165 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,490 access it is located off McKinney Street which is a two- 166 00:07:12,490 --> 00:07:13,480 lane undivided roadway 167 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,980 owned and maintained by TexDOT. It's currently planned to 168 00:07:16,980 --> 00:07:17,839 be widened to a 169 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:21,649 four-lane divided road. Current date is anticipated 2018 170 00:07:21,649 --> 00:07:22,639 that could get pushed 171 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:30,199 back further. Because it is a, I should go back and say 172 00:07:30,199 --> 00:07:32,240 that currently the 173 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,319 capacity of McKinney Street is about 9,000 trips per day 174 00:07:35,319 --> 00:07:37,480 and recent counts by 175 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,569 the city estimated we're about 14,000 trips per day so it 176 00:07:40,569 --> 00:07:41,160 already is kind of 177 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,149 over capacity as it stands but we do anticipate that once 178 00:07:45,149 --> 00:07:45,959 it's widened it'll 179 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:49,920 hold about 24,000 which is enough to hold this development 180 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:50,279 as well as 181 00:07:50,279 --> 00:07:53,829 Majestic and the other developments along McKinney. But in 182 00:07:53,829 --> 00:07:55,000 the meantime to 183 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,779 kind of mitigate some of those impacts the applicant will 184 00:07:57,779 --> 00:07:58,560 be required to 185 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:03,160 construct a left turn lane in this location to turn into 186 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,480 the site as well 187 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,189 as a right turn lane in McKinney and this aligns with the 188 00:08:07,189 --> 00:08:07,959 future median 189 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:10,959 opening once it's widened. The purpose of this is that we 190 00:08:10,959 --> 00:08:12,120 can keep the through 191 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,850 traffic flowing, people aren't stacked waiting to turn left 192 00:08:14,850 --> 00:08:15,480 and people are 193 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,370 waiting behind them who intend to go straight. And the 194 00:08:19,370 --> 00:08:20,879 secondary access is on 195 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:25,399 the west side this will be emergency access only. The 196 00:08:25,399 --> 00:08:26,759 reason for that is in 197 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:29,519 the current state is just two yellow stripes on the road 198 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:30,360 and we want to force 199 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,070 people to use these turn lanes as well as they didn't align 200 00:08:34,070 --> 00:08:35,440 with the drive 201 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,799 across the street. When the road is widened there'll be a 202 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:40,759 median here with 203 00:08:40,759 --> 00:08:44,820 no median opening and so at that time it can be changed 204 00:08:44,820 --> 00:08:45,879 into a full right in right 205 00:08:45,879 --> 00:08:49,440 out for the residents to use. Like we said 2018 so it may 206 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,000 be just a temporary 207 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:58,000 situation. Here's the landscape plan a little. Can I just 208 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,759 ask you a question for 209 00:08:59,759 --> 00:09:03,120 clarification purposes? You said that there was going to be 210 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,039 a right turn lane 211 00:09:06,039 --> 00:09:08,690 and that was a condition that you're placing but I don't 212 00:09:08,690 --> 00:09:09,320 see it in your 213 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,320 conditions here is it just the first one where it has to 214 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:13,240 substantially comply 215 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,440 with the site plan? No I believe in the recommendations at 216 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,279 the bag it states 217 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:26,200 there are four criteria. Are you seeing in recommendation 218 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:33,850 section? Yes. Number? Number three is the emergency access 219 00:09:33,850 --> 00:09:36,080 but we do need to include this element as well. 220 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,809 Well turn lanes are required if I'm plotting. It wasn't 221 00:09:38,809 --> 00:09:39,639 really something that 222 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:42,919 we they're gonna build now. The reason we put the western 223 00:09:42,919 --> 00:09:43,679 access in there 224 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,970 for a condition is so that when people pull the ordinance 225 00:09:46,970 --> 00:09:47,960 they know it's there 226 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,539 it's not hidden it's not a surprise if say this train 227 00:09:50,539 --> 00:09:51,600 changes hands and another 228 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,960 developer wants to build it and they say we didn't know it 229 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:54,480 's had to be 230 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,090 emergency only. Well it's clearly written in the ordinance 231 00:09:57,090 --> 00:09:57,720 everybody will know. 232 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,269 But you're saying that the right lane needs to be added to 233 00:10:00,269 --> 00:10:01,320 the conditions? No. I 234 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,220 just want to make sure for a vote time. Because of the 235 00:10:04,220 --> 00:10:05,240 requirements that they're 236 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,389 going to have to follow again this site plan is tied to the 237 00:10:08,389 --> 00:10:09,279 SSUP so that is 238 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:11,220 reflected there and with the plotting and with the 239 00:10:11,220 --> 00:10:12,200 engineering requirements they 240 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,090 have to meet that. What we're conditioning is the emergency 241 00:10:16,090 --> 00:10:16,919 access that 242 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:19,480 it will be it's a temporary access and so should the 243 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:20,600 conditions once the 244 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,169 conditions change from McKinney Street there will be a 245 00:10:23,169 --> 00:10:24,080 change and so when 246 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,580 people do research for recordation purposes they know what 247 00:10:26,580 --> 00:10:27,360 happened with that. 248 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,200 Yeah it's important to clarify this is a requirement anyway 249 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:31,000 so we're asking you 250 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,070 to make it a condition but really we're asking for that 251 00:10:33,070 --> 00:10:34,039 reason just so it's 252 00:10:34,039 --> 00:10:36,649 stated in the ordinance everybody knows it's there but if 253 00:10:36,649 --> 00:10:37,240 you don't approve the 254 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,120 condition it's a requirement anyway so it's really just to 255 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:41,080 benefit everybody in 256 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,830 the long run. Going back here's the landscape plan I'll 257 00:10:45,830 --> 00:10:46,600 zoom in on this a 258 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,399 little bit. As I said this is a heavily forested site they 259 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:50,919 completely 260 00:10:50,919 --> 00:10:54,559 redesigned their site a number of times to work with the 261 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,039 trees. Here in this 262 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:00,269 kind of light green are all the trees that are existing on 263 00:11:00,269 --> 00:11:00,879 site that they're 264 00:11:00,879 --> 00:11:05,429 preserving and they've clumped a large number of trees here 265 00:11:05,429 --> 00:11:06,519 in the open space 266 00:11:06,519 --> 00:11:10,799 around building F, around the playground and the pool, 267 00:11:10,799 --> 00:11:13,279 along the open space this 268 00:11:13,279 --> 00:11:16,200 area and along McKinney Street as well as they've 269 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,639 incorporated where they 270 00:11:17,639 --> 00:11:21,889 can into the buffers that are required. You can see it as a 271 00:11:21,889 --> 00:11:22,679 large amount 272 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,409 trees. Our tree code requirements are not in canopy acreage 273 00:11:26,409 --> 00:11:27,519 it's by cal per inch 274 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:31,039 so this may seem like it's you know based on the entire 275 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:32,320 site being an aerial 276 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,049 looks like it's a lot of trees when they're clustered close 277 00:11:35,049 --> 00:11:36,559 together there 278 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,340 may be a lot of inches right next to each other and so they 279 00:11:38,340 --> 00:11:38,919 're meeting the 280 00:11:38,919 --> 00:11:41,559 inch requirement even though when you look at it in an 281 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:42,559 aerial the canopy may 282 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,840 not seem like it's 20% or whatever does that does that make 283 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,159 sense to you? Yeah so 284 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:51,129 one of the questions I had... Commissioner Bruegel. Thank 285 00:11:51,129 --> 00:11:53,120 you thank you Mr. Chair. So I had I 286 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,409 had emailed earlier today to ask specifically about the 287 00:11:57,409 --> 00:11:59,200 trees and I think 288 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,769 I saw somewhere in the narrative that they were going to 289 00:12:01,769 --> 00:12:02,840 exceed the tree 290 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,840 requirements for this development. Can you can you get into 291 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,360 that a little bit more? 292 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:13,399 Yes they are required to preserve a certain amount of trees 293 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:14,759 in cal per 294 00:12:14,759 --> 00:12:17,840 inches based on the number of existing trees on site. They 295 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,639 can also choose to 296 00:12:19,639 --> 00:12:22,610 to remove half of those if they pay into the tree fund but 297 00:12:22,610 --> 00:12:23,679 they're not even going 298 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,620 to use that option they're going to preserve above the 299 00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:26,840 minimum amount that 300 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,690 is required by our tree code and they design their site 301 00:12:29,690 --> 00:12:30,639 specifically around 302 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:32,629 those trees because it would have been very expensive to 303 00:12:32,629 --> 00:12:33,600 cut them down. They 304 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,259 could have took they could have cut down more honestly and 305 00:12:35,259 --> 00:12:36,360 paid for them but it 306 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,090 was going to be very expensive. So the trees that they are 307 00:12:39,090 --> 00:12:40,120 cutting down are 308 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:45,799 smaller and they don't have to pay for those or they don't 309 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:45,919 have to 310 00:12:45,919 --> 00:12:48,840 mitigate? They do they do anything under six inches they 311 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:49,200 don't have to 312 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,279 mitigate but there are some between six and 18 that are 313 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:53,519 certain species that are 314 00:12:53,519 --> 00:12:57,230 less expensive to mitigate than others. It's kind of a 315 00:12:57,230 --> 00:13:00,480 complicated formula. I 316 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,240 can say that they work diligently to save as many trees as 317 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,240 possible. If we if 318 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,169 we want to I can probably delve a little deeper into the 319 00:13:08,169 --> 00:13:09,120 tree preservation plan 320 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,649 that's actually the kind of next stage in the process we 321 00:13:11,649 --> 00:13:12,559 didn't we didn't count 322 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,759 every single tree for this site today we just did inventory 323 00:13:15,759 --> 00:13:16,799 and they just showed us 324 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:20,559 where they were saving. That really comes with the final 325 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:21,559 plat when we actually 326 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,480 dig down deeper in the numbers and give you an actual 327 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,240 percentage. Okay so you're 328 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,090 saying that they they're preserving more trees than they're 329 00:13:28,090 --> 00:13:29,200 necessarily required 330 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,429 to with this and then with this the smaller trees they are 331 00:13:33,429 --> 00:13:33,960 and whatever 332 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,200 trees they are cutting down they are paying into the tree 333 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,000 fund in addition? 334 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,850 Correct there's just preservation requirement and a 335 00:13:39,850 --> 00:13:41,039 mitigation requirement. 336 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:43,529 They are required to preserve so many amount of trees for 337 00:13:43,529 --> 00:13:44,480 certain species. They 338 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,659 are meeting that preservation and actually going to exceed 339 00:13:46,659 --> 00:13:47,519 it. There are 340 00:13:47,519 --> 00:13:49,539 other species where if you cut them down you have to pay 341 00:13:49,539 --> 00:13:50,639 for them. It's not you 342 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:52,470 don't have to preserve a certain amount of them. If you cut 343 00:13:52,470 --> 00:13:54,000 them down you pay for them and 344 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,529 all the ones that they are moving in that category they are 345 00:13:56,529 --> 00:13:57,679 paying for. 346 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,389 Or planning back on site. And then the very small ones that 347 00:14:00,389 --> 00:14:01,120 are less than six 348 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:07,200 inches those don't have to be paid? Correct. Okay thank you 349 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,320 . Commissioner Beck. 350 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,080 Thank you Chair. Let me get back on hers. Once they're in 351 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:12,919 there are they 352 00:14:12,919 --> 00:14:15,539 responsible for maintaining the trees, making sure they're 353 00:14:15,539 --> 00:14:16,919 trimmed properly, watching for 354 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:19,230 disease and stuff like that? Yes they are and they are 355 00:14:19,230 --> 00:14:21,120 required to irrigate them for three years and 356 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,970 we can go out and do inspections on that anytime. Okay 357 00:14:23,970 --> 00:14:26,840 thanks. Then maybe let me 358 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,669 show you the next slide here before if we have more 359 00:14:28,669 --> 00:14:30,200 questions. So the light green 360 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,929 trees on here are what they're preserving from the existing 361 00:14:32,929 --> 00:14:33,399 trees on 362 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:36,370 site and in addition to that they're also planning a 363 00:14:36,370 --> 00:14:37,440 substantial number of 364 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,379 trees along the streets. They do have a 15 foot buffer to 365 00:14:41,379 --> 00:14:42,840 the substation on the 366 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,289 east and a 10 foot buffer to the residential zoning on the 367 00:14:46,289 --> 00:14:47,960 south. So 368 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,789 they're actually exceeding the tree canopy coverage 369 00:14:49,789 --> 00:14:50,480 requirements for the 370 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,639 zoning district as well and the reason for all these trees 371 00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:54,679 is our code requires 372 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:57,789 private street system with street trees for multi-family 373 00:14:57,789 --> 00:14:59,519 development and so you 374 00:14:59,519 --> 00:15:02,370 can see all the trees around the street that they in 375 00:15:02,370 --> 00:15:03,600 combination with the 376 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,600 existing trees that they've provided. So it's very heavily 377 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,440 treed. They also saved a 378 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,299 bunch of trees along McKinney Street and kind of routed 379 00:15:11,299 --> 00:15:12,799 their sidewalk through 380 00:15:12,799 --> 00:15:15,110 them to make it more scenic and pretty and it's a little 381 00:15:15,110 --> 00:15:16,519 bit wider sidewalk. 382 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:19,250 That was something that we kind of when we met with them 383 00:15:19,250 --> 00:15:20,279 initially we said you 384 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:22,649 know there's been problems on McKinney with sidewalks maybe 385 00:15:22,649 --> 00:15:22,960 a little bit 386 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,490 further east but you know it's addressed the problem here 387 00:15:25,490 --> 00:15:27,440 as well. And Mike are 388 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,440 there? Commissioner Bruegel. Thank you chair. Oh I'm sorry 389 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:32,360 did I jump in Andrew? 390 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,519 You got the floor. Thank you. Are there are there many 391 00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:37,600 trees on the west side of 392 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:42,440 the west side of that property? I don't recall seeing many 393 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:43,480 on the area. I was 394 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,940 just kind of curious. I'll go back to the area we can show 395 00:15:45,940 --> 00:15:46,519 you. There's like it's 396 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:49,250 patchy right through here. Okay. So they're really 397 00:15:49,250 --> 00:15:50,519 preserving the bulk amount 398 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:53,669 right here and what's great is a lot of times we see people 399 00:15:53,669 --> 00:15:54,399 shoving to the 400 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:56,440 corner and they're not really usable. These guys actually 401 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:57,120 designed them into 402 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,559 their open spaces so the residents can use them. So we 403 00:15:59,559 --> 00:16:01,039 thought that was great. Thank you. 404 00:16:01,039 --> 00:16:04,490 I'm sorry Commissioner Bruegel. Commissioner Bruegel. Thank 405 00:16:04,490 --> 00:16:05,639 you. I have a question about 406 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:09,090 new tree planting. It might be ignorant. What is the 407 00:16:09,090 --> 00:16:10,399 requirement for a new tree? Is 408 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:13,789 this a certain inch that has to be planted or it could it 409 00:16:13,789 --> 00:16:14,679 be a seed or how 410 00:16:14,679 --> 00:16:16,919 does that work for new trees? I want to say it's a two inch 411 00:16:16,919 --> 00:16:17,879 tree. I can confirm 412 00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:19,980 that for you. You're required to plant a young tree that 413 00:16:19,980 --> 00:16:20,919 way it grows into a more 414 00:16:20,919 --> 00:16:28,480 mature size. Okay. Thank you. All right if there's no more 415 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:28,960 questions on the 416 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,450 landscape plan. Just the comprehensive plan does call this 417 00:16:33,450 --> 00:16:34,320 area shown here in 418 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,769 black as moderate residential. That's a change from what it 419 00:16:36,769 --> 00:16:38,279 previously was. It 420 00:16:38,279 --> 00:16:41,230 was more neighborhood mixed-use and now with the compound 421 00:16:41,230 --> 00:16:42,399 we wanted to add more 422 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:46,559 density downtown and within the loop and so this was one of 423 00:16:46,559 --> 00:16:47,559 the few large 424 00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:50,169 undeveloped areas in town that we could squeeze in some 425 00:16:50,169 --> 00:16:51,480 moderate residential. So 426 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,029 that's why it changed. Also we have a center at McKinney 427 00:16:54,029 --> 00:16:54,879 and Woodrow and a 428 00:16:54,879 --> 00:16:56,929 center at McKinney and Loop and so just having a 429 00:16:56,929 --> 00:16:58,200 neighborhood strip we could 430 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,090 kind of lead towards strip development. So that was kind of 431 00:17:00,090 --> 00:17:00,600 the purpose of 432 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,200 changing this. Now moderate residential is typically single 433 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,279 -family six to twelve 434 00:17:05,279 --> 00:17:08,680 units per acre but the DIN plan does say that apartments 435 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:09,799 could be allowed as long 436 00:17:09,799 --> 00:17:14,900 as they're high quality design and maintained well. So it's 437 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:15,880 this one is a 438 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,190 little bit higher I think it's about 20 units per acre if 439 00:17:18,190 --> 00:17:19,480 you you count it but 440 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,309 it's well below the 30 that's permitted in the current 441 00:17:21,309 --> 00:17:22,599 zoning district that 442 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:25,039 they're entitled to now until the zoning is changed. So I 443 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:26,359 think it's a it's a fair 444 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,319 compromise between the two. 445 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,609 Just some considerations we did review the site plan 446 00:17:32,609 --> 00:17:34,319 landscape and elevations 447 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:37,410 they are compliant with all requirements the DDC and no nu 448 00:17:37,410 --> 00:17:38,119 isances are 449 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,059 anticipated. We did preliminary review of public 450 00:17:41,059 --> 00:17:43,079 infrastructure and determine the 451 00:17:43,079 --> 00:17:46,789 site will be served adequately with transportation, water, 452 00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:48,079 sewer, drainage. 453 00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:51,079 We talked on this a little bit but we did they did design 454 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:52,240 the site to reserve 455 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,319 existing trees. The minimum tree code requirements will be 456 00:17:55,319 --> 00:17:56,240 met or exceeded and 457 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:01,470 again we'll determine exact numbers upon platting. That's 458 00:18:01,470 --> 00:18:04,440 to be determined. They 459 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,289 did provide bicycle and pedestrian facilities. They 460 00:18:07,289 --> 00:18:08,799 provided a wider six foot 461 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:12,079 side of Oklahoma Kini as well as 35 bike racks. It is 462 00:18:12,079 --> 00:18:14,000 moderate residential but like 463 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,000 as I said it is a fair balance between the current zoning 464 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,359 and the future land use 465 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:24,089 plan. We'll be required to construct turn lanes to mitigate 466 00:18:24,089 --> 00:18:25,079 any access or 467 00:18:25,079 --> 00:18:27,700 mitigate any transportation issues until McKinney is widen 468 00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:28,440 ed and we're going to 469 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,799 have that access point on the west to be emergency only. 470 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:34,480 Lastly the Dinton Plan 30 471 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,390 has a lot of providing your backup a lot of information 472 00:18:37,390 --> 00:18:38,599 about the shortage of 473 00:18:38,599 --> 00:18:42,259 affordable housing in Dinton. I'll let Dinton Housing 474 00:18:42,259 --> 00:18:44,160 Authority can really 475 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,210 elaborate that a lot more so we have a big shortfall and 476 00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:49,680 this site was was 477 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,890 chosen by Dinton Housing Authority for several specific 478 00:18:51,890 --> 00:18:53,559 reasons. Again I'm gonna 479 00:18:53,559 --> 00:18:57,920 let them elaborate on them on that more than I can but the 480 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,079 site was specifically 481 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:04,750 chosen for several reasons. Lastly we did like are they 482 00:19:04,750 --> 00:19:05,240 going to do that 483 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,750 presentation here in work session or in it was our intent 484 00:19:08,750 --> 00:19:09,759 that they be here for 485 00:19:09,759 --> 00:19:11,680 work session perhaps they got caught in traffic or 486 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,839 something and are late but if 487 00:19:13,839 --> 00:19:19,519 they come in maybe we can squeeze it in. Okay thank you. We 488 00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:21,119 did send out notices 489 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,569 to property owners been 200 feet and the physical address 490 00:19:23,569 --> 00:19:25,440 has been 500 feet. I did 491 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,559 provide you with the one response that we got today but 492 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:28,440 they didn't list the 493 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,339 address that was within 200 feet. I got that today so I'll 494 00:19:32,339 --> 00:19:33,079 do a little research 495 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:35,039 and I could probably find out who it is but I don't have it 496 00:19:35,039 --> 00:19:36,599 on the map because 497 00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:41,759 the form was incomplete. We'll do a little digging on that. 498 00:19:42,519 --> 00:19:45,369 Based on the consideration. Another question Mike. Was 499 00:19:45,369 --> 00:19:46,799 there any feedback from 500 00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:50,200 Majestic since they have been recently approved? I know 501 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:50,980 they're in the 502 00:19:50,980 --> 00:19:54,230 500 feet but not the 200. I know they can't. I'm not aware 503 00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:55,680 of any. Okay so no feedback from them 504 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,839 whatsoever. Okay thank you. And lastly just based on 505 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:01,759 everything I've covered and 506 00:20:01,759 --> 00:20:05,109 the considerations listed in your staff report we do 507 00:20:05,109 --> 00:20:06,440 recommend approval 508 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,990 subject to the following conditions. One that the site plan 509 00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:10,359 shall 510 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,680 substantially comply with or that the development shall 511 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,559 comply with the site 512 00:20:13,559 --> 00:20:17,039 plan landscape plan provided. The maximum number of units 513 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:17,279 shall be 514 00:20:17,279 --> 00:20:21,200 capped at 322 units. In restating the western access is for 515 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,000 emergency access 516 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,890 only until the street is widened and the median is 517 00:20:23,890 --> 00:20:25,799 installed. And lastly we would 518 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:28,190 like to add a condition that the building facades facing 519 00:20:28,190 --> 00:20:29,000 McKinney Street 520 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,960 shall have a minimum of 60% masonry building materials and 521 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:33,579 that gables 522 00:20:33,579 --> 00:20:36,309 windows doors and related trim may be excluded from this 523 00:20:36,309 --> 00:20:37,160 percentage. That's 524 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,619 that's standard code language. Our minimum requirement in 525 00:20:39,619 --> 00:20:41,039 the code is 40. We'd 526 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:44,930 like to dress that up a little bit on McKinney and do 60%. 527 00:20:44,930 --> 00:20:46,160 And Mike we've 528 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:51,720 spoken to the applicant about this. That's correct. And 529 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:51,759 they're amenable to this commission. 530 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,640 I'll ask one other question on that. Is that similar to 531 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:56,799 what we did with 532 00:20:56,799 --> 00:21:00,079 majestic or this above and beyond what we required of them? 533 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:01,839 I have to look into 534 00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:04,789 that I'm not sure we did from majestic. I think they 535 00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:06,599 exceeded on certain they 536 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:10,599 were higher. If I'm not mistaken. Yes. Okay follow-up 537 00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:13,720 question. Why if our code is 40% are we 538 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,680 requesting that they do 60? To enhance the I'll show you 539 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:18,839 the sides facing 540 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:24,390 McKinney. So this is an example of a side facing McKinney. 541 00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:26,000 What the comp plan 542 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,380 stresses is high quality materials for buildings and 543 00:21:29,380 --> 00:21:30,599 moderate for apartments 544 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:33,089 and moderate residential. We initially met with them we 545 00:21:33,089 --> 00:21:34,200 wanted to enhance the 546 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,839 entire side up to 60% and they said you know well they had 547 00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:37,920 cost concerns with 548 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,450 the knob trees they have to save as well. And so we said 549 00:21:40,450 --> 00:21:41,680 okay well I think the most 550 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,880 important side is that we get it on McKinney Street enhance 551 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:44,400 that visual 552 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,130 corridor along McKinney. Provide a little bit more stone a 553 00:21:47,130 --> 00:21:48,200 little less stucco 554 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,599 and siding. So that was really the request. Well I guess 555 00:21:52,599 --> 00:21:53,640 thank you for the 556 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,279 answer. I'll follow up my question again. If our code says 557 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:01,839 40 why are we requiring 60? 558 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,079 Mike if you'd allow me to answer that question. We have had 559 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:07,559 several meetings 560 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,880 with the applicant to discuss their elevations and we have 561 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,880 worked through 562 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,769 many iterations of elevations because the facade the front 563 00:22:16,769 --> 00:22:18,119 facades there were 564 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,259 concerns where they weren't complying with the ordinance in 565 00:22:20,259 --> 00:22:20,880 terms of relief 566 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,200 and providing that relief to those elevations. Secondly 567 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,839 when you look at the 568 00:22:26,839 --> 00:22:30,049 congregation and the conglomeration of the buildings we 569 00:22:30,049 --> 00:22:31,599 needed to provide the 570 00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:35,759 additional relief and to reflect this as a prize project as 571 00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:37,519 well. And we sat and 572 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:40,710 we discussed with the applicant and in order to provide the 573 00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:42,240 relief especially 574 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,640 along McKinney Street we suggested we said could you 575 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:47,960 consider increasing the 576 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,200 masonry requirement and they looked at it and they thought 577 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:50,920 about it and they 578 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,079 were amenable to that. And that's why it wasn't staff's 579 00:22:55,079 --> 00:22:56,000 recommendation saying you 580 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,559 must comply with this we actually had discussion on what do 581 00:22:58,559 --> 00:22:59,200 we do with the 582 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,049 elevations how do we break the elevations up how do we 583 00:23:02,049 --> 00:23:02,799 decrease the 584 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:05,650 monotony of the building elevations. So the code does 585 00:23:05,650 --> 00:23:06,839 require that you have 586 00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:09,259 relief in these elevations and it was just through 587 00:23:09,259 --> 00:23:10,640 conversation that we came 588 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,269 up with the 60% so it was in constant communication with 589 00:23:13,269 --> 00:23:14,400 the applicant. 590 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:21,200 If I can kind of just summarize I guess what I heard the 591 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,279 compromise to go from 40 to 60 592 00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:26,640 has more to do with the elevation that they presented based 593 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,279 upon more of an 594 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:34,170 aesthetic how it overall looks and staff's opinion was that 595 00:23:34,170 --> 00:23:35,000 there wasn't 596 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,359 enough relief and how the elevations were and so rather 597 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,200 than them redesigning 598 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:45,460 the project to provide that to meet staff's interpretation 599 00:23:45,460 --> 00:23:46,279 or opinion of 600 00:23:46,279 --> 00:23:49,980 that they elected to trade off to upgrade from 40 to 60 601 00:23:49,980 --> 00:23:50,960 percent the 602 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:56,119 building materials and accomplish the look by upgrading the 603 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:56,720 materials rather 604 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,440 than redesigning the architectural part of the building. We 605 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,119 didn't want them to 606 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,970 have to go back and do numerous iterations just to try to 607 00:24:03,970 --> 00:24:05,680 meet the intent of the ordinance so we 608 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,500 worked together to come up with a solution. I think that's 609 00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:09,599 a good solution 610 00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:13,400 and that answers my question as to why we required 611 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,480 obviously an entity that's 612 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,910 trying to provide services at a cost-effective manner to go 613 00:24:20,910 --> 00:24:23,039 from 40 to 614 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:27,829 60. It makes us not in my opinion sound good to require 615 00:24:27,829 --> 00:24:29,200 them to go from 40 to 60 616 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:34,460 when our code requires 40 but the explanation makes that 617 00:24:34,460 --> 00:24:35,279 more to me 618 00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:38,359 reasonable as to why that's taking place so thank you for 619 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,480 the explanation. 620 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:47,849 Commissioner Hertzmith. Thank you. First I am I'm excited 621 00:24:47,849 --> 00:24:48,880 about this project just 622 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,500 because one it's in my neck of woods and two for someone to 623 00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:53,839 put something next to 624 00:24:53,839 --> 00:25:01,480 a substation you know is promising. My question is the and 625 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,440 just as an aside 626 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,250 because I think this maybe jump-starts that area what is 627 00:25:06,250 --> 00:25:09,039 the access to that the 628 00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:15,880 large area behind it but how does that become developed 629 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:16,200 what's the 630 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,009 access to it I see kind of a path on the other side so what 631 00:25:20,009 --> 00:25:21,200 is that never eat 632 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,579 so the east side of the substation but I'm not sure how 633 00:25:24,579 --> 00:25:26,480 that works. Sure and I'm 634 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,779 gonna pull up our mobility plan here for you because I don 635 00:25:29,779 --> 00:25:30,759 't have a map big 636 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:36,380 enough far enough out but the short answer is that Dutchess 637 00:25:36,380 --> 00:25:37,200 Drive to the 638 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,200 south is going to extend between lip 288 and Woodrow and 639 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,519 now provide the primary 640 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:46,079 access to those properties so I'll turn on the zoning so 641 00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:47,200 you can see what we're 642 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,319 referencing so the NRMU here is our subject property it's 643 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:54,759 our site and if I 644 00:25:54,759 --> 00:26:01,160 turn don't do that sorry if I turn on the mobility plan 645 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,440 here you'll see 646 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,519 Dutchess Drive extending to the south off from Woodrow to 647 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:10,119 look 288 and that 648 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:17,400 would be their primary access. And then another question so 649 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,839 they're putting in 650 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:23,240 the sidewalk does that get lost when they widen McKinney 651 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,960 and then replaced 652 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,849 what is the the plan for sort of putting in the sidewalk 653 00:26:29,849 --> 00:26:30,680 McKinney's obviously 654 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,759 gonna go you know double its size I'm assuming that gobbles 655 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:34,960 up the sidewalk 656 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,849 is text art committed to not that we haven't say so I'm 657 00:26:38,849 --> 00:26:40,680 just curious what's the the 658 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,339 plan after it's widened for the sidewalk correct me if I'm 659 00:26:44,339 --> 00:26:45,400 wrong but I believe 660 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,359 the plans have a sidewalk in them that text out was gonna 661 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,519 build since there's 662 00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:52,089 already be a sidewalk here they'll either move it or try to 663 00:26:52,089 --> 00:26:52,759 design where 664 00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:55,319 they can keep it is that correct girl so the plans are to 665 00:26:55,319 --> 00:26:56,359 have a sidewalk either 666 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,109 way text on if they if this development come in text out 667 00:27:00,109 --> 00:27:01,160 was gonna build it 668 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,710 well but I guess my question is will the sidewalk they're 669 00:27:05,710 --> 00:27:07,359 putting in survive the 670 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,069 street widening that's that's a question I honestly don't 671 00:27:11,069 --> 00:27:12,240 have the answer to it 672 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,839 may be impacted by the widening we can what's probably 673 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:17,039 gonna be more in fact 674 00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:19,769 not the writing of the widening of the road but the 675 00:27:19,769 --> 00:27:21,039 movement of utilities 676 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:25,980 further outside of the road when they have to remove some 677 00:27:25,980 --> 00:27:27,359 trees to to do those 678 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,049 utilities but that's standard with any easement along all 679 00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:33,359 our text off right away 680 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,000 Commissioner Rozelle thank you a couple questions about the 681 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,000 mobility plan in 682 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,160 terms of traffic it says in the information no date has 683 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:43,759 been set for the 684 00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:47,289 widening of this project regarding McKinney I thought I 685 00:27:47,289 --> 00:27:50,200 heard a 2018 was 686 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,519 this confirmed that text lots plans are always three years 687 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:54,440 out so the current 688 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,160 date is 2018 but they can typically push back and push back 689 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,279 and push back so no 690 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:02,119 firm date like no the design plans haven't been bated out 691 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:02,960 to contractors to 692 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,839 start building in 2018 that's just the tentative date and 693 00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:07,759 then can you speak to 694 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:12,359 4,000 strips per day on a road over the capacity of 9,000 695 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,960 that sounds like a 696 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,109 significant amount to me is that deemed a significant 697 00:28:17,109 --> 00:28:18,440 amount of extra traffic or 698 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,759 is that is that feasible I have a question because there's 699 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:23,559 a fire station 700 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:26,910 not a half a mile to the east of this property and if so if 701 00:28:26,910 --> 00:28:27,960 there's a lot of 702 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,849 traffic build up on this road specifically that is the main 703 00:28:31,849 --> 00:28:32,799 thoroughfare 704 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:37,750 for station two and so I have some concerns about how that 705 00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:38,680 looks our 706 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,849 engineering manager is over here so he probably better to 707 00:28:40,849 --> 00:28:41,599 answer that than I 708 00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:43,720 would 709 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:53,750 the 4,000 excess amount of traffic it's not really a major 710 00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:55,000 concern there is some 711 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,450 fluff when we say a street has a capacity of a certain 712 00:28:58,450 --> 00:28:59,480 amount and the 713 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,049 actual traffic is a little bit above that the key issues 714 00:29:03,049 --> 00:29:04,160 really is the 715 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,440 auxiliary lanes to keep that traffic away from the through 716 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,319 lanes and so when 717 00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:14,710 we when we look at a development we look into that in terms 718 00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:15,619 of possible 719 00:29:15,619 --> 00:29:20,970 mitigation items to to compensate for the impact that they 720 00:29:20,970 --> 00:29:21,599 're going to have on 721 00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:25,369 those travel lanes and also on we also evaluate 722 00:29:25,369 --> 00:29:28,799 intersections as well because 723 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:32,039 those are the major bottleneck areas whether it be that 724 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:33,319 turn lane movements 725 00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:37,569 or the intersections so it's not a really a concern in 726 00:29:37,569 --> 00:29:39,519 terms of the through lane 727 00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:43,299 traffic in terms of capacity okay and I'm not sure this is 728 00:29:43,299 --> 00:29:44,200 a question for you 729 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,480 or mr. Bell is the apartments required to have both a right 730 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,960 and left turn lane 731 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,660 on exiting because it seems like a left turn across McKin 732 00:29:53,660 --> 00:29:56,279 ney could be created 733 00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:58,839 back up so is there a way that someone could turn right 734 00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:00,000 directly from the 735 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,970 property I didn't I don't know on the site map if it exists 736 00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:05,079 in the property or 737 00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:07,380 entering the property exiting so if someone's come out and 738 00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:07,960 there's a car 739 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,599 needing to turn left across traffic with the car behind 740 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:12,920 them be able to turn 741 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,609 right instead of waiting or is there gonna be a backup into 742 00:30:15,609 --> 00:30:16,359 the apartment 743 00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:20,519 complex there will most likely be a backup I don't know if 744 00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:20,799 you have a copy 745 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:23,900 of a site plan but there is there are two lanes exiting the 746 00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:25,319 site one for right 747 00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:30,400 turn movements and one for left okay perfect thank you 748 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,450 Commissioner back thank you chair first let me commend the 749 00:30:34,450 --> 00:30:36,200 staff on the way they 750 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,400 put this together I had questions as I started going 751 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,359 through it and before I 752 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:43,259 got done they were all answered so excellent job and I 753 00:30:43,259 --> 00:30:44,240 assume y'all always 754 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,039 do that but I just I need to highlight some kudos thank you 755 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:49,720 the only thing I 756 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,269 didn't find and I thought you're gonna hit on it when you 757 00:30:52,269 --> 00:30:53,119 talked about the 758 00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:55,970 widening of the wall and now I see the trees are gonna be 759 00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:56,960 there too at night 760 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,079 that darkens that area are they required to do any extra 761 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:01,799 lighting along that walkway 762 00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:06,910 for nighttime or is there ample lighting there now yes and 763 00:31:06,910 --> 00:31:08,240 what we'll do at the 764 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,089 building permit stage it's a little bit too detailed for 765 00:31:11,089 --> 00:31:12,039 this stage but we do 766 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:14,940 have requirements for lighting for pedestrian areas a 767 00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:16,279 minimum of I believe 768 00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:18,480 it's one of states of foot and a half one and a half foot 769 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,240 candles of all 770 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,000 pedestrian areas and so the street lights will be provided 771 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:23,519 either by them 772 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:30,119 or potentially by textile at some point okay good thank you 773 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:36,160 Commissioner Hatchbeth thank you chair and I think just to 774 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,559 touch on your 775 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:41,180 concern I I think well I know I know read that they're 776 00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:42,480 putting a park in on 777 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,380 the property so I'm assuming that too they'll illuminate 778 00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:47,440 the area for that 779 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,930 purpose as well just so their safety of their residents get 780 00:31:50,930 --> 00:31:52,000 into the park so I 781 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,170 think a lot of that will be captured there as well if you 782 00:31:56,170 --> 00:31:56,880 all just 783 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,619 information we have in our code a requirement for minimum 784 00:32:00,619 --> 00:32:01,799 requirement for 785 00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:05,079 where you have pedestrian areas sidewalks parking areas and 786 00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:05,640 then we have 787 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,089 a maximum lighting at the property lines that there's not 788 00:32:08,089 --> 00:32:09,039 too bright to impact 789 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:15,019 adjacent neighbors so that's the balance of the two all 790 00:32:15,019 --> 00:32:18,640 right any other questions 791 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,039 for staff 792 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:33,019 that takes care of those I guess we have one other item it 793 00:32:33,019 --> 00:32:35,720 looks like it's to be 794 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:41,359 continued yes the amendment to the razor ranch overlay 795 00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:42,740 district that item will be 796 00:32:42,740 --> 00:32:45,109 continued to the November 18th planning and zoning 797 00:32:45,109 --> 00:32:47,119 Commission meeting do we need 798 00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:51,009 to have a motion for that no course I'd already been taking 799 00:32:51,009 --> 00:32:53,680 care of continued to 800 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,119 the next meeting we don't need to do anything on that 801 00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:04,049 we're going to cover the project matrix or we're going to 802 00:33:04,049 --> 00:33:06,160 come back up here to 803 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,579 the work session report if I can go back to the work 804 00:33:09,579 --> 00:33:11,359 session report the 805 00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:14,680 Commission would choose I just wanted to note that there's 806 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,799 an item to discuss 807 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:18,319 regarding the planning and zoning Commission city initiated 808 00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:18,759 rezoning 809 00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:22,279 committee we provide some informational information for the 810 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:22,599 PNC 811 00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:26,049 specifically indicating or iterating what the roles and 812 00:33:26,049 --> 00:33:27,440 responsibilities would 813 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,289 be Ron if you wouldn't mind just a brief two minute update 814 00:33:32,289 --> 00:33:33,720 on what we're 815 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,880 anticipating and can be when we'll be convening and all the 816 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,039 sure thank you for 817 00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:43,960 the opportunity really sounds like or looks like 818 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,480 Commissioner Rizal since 819 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,400 you're the only member that's up committee you can make all 820 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,680 the decisions 821 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:55,599 the opportunity tonight is related to let the Commission 822 00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:56,440 know that we're going 823 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,000 to be meeting soon at that meeting we'll go over the roles 824 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:00,119 and 825 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:04,759 responsibilities we'll also select the chair and vice chair 826 00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:06,160 and also start 827 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,130 beginning work on identifying some locations which staff 828 00:34:09,130 --> 00:34:09,800 has already 829 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,760 developed some ideas and some locations that we would like 830 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:13,719 to target with the 831 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,079 help of the subcommittee we can hopefully move forward when 832 00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:18,840 we meet at 833 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,119 that meeting the subcommittee will be making 834 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:22,519 recommendations to the planning 835 00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:26,780 zoning Commission so that we come back with a rezoning 836 00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:28,079 effort that the 837 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,809 Commission can then recommend to City Council for their 838 00:34:30,809 --> 00:34:32,000 ultimate decision and 839 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,690 approval of that ordinance really don't have any more than 840 00:34:37,690 --> 00:34:40,320 that maybe a question 841 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,409 to the Commission I may have to reach out to the individual 842 00:34:43,409 --> 00:34:44,280 subcommittee 843 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,469 members to find out what time and date they would prefer to 844 00:34:48,469 --> 00:34:49,880 meet I know some of 845 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,989 them specifically commutes from Fort Worth I believe so we 846 00:34:54,989 --> 00:34:55,440 may have to 847 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,929 identify a date maybe coinciding with the planning zoning 848 00:34:58,929 --> 00:35:00,199 Commission meeting 849 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:05,519 or maybe some other date that that we can all meet and can 850 00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:06,760 meet on a regular 851 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,010 basis it may not be every or twice a month maybe once a 852 00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:11,719 month however we can 853 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,690 decide on on those dates so okay really since they're not 854 00:35:15,690 --> 00:35:16,840 here and except for 855 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,769 you I'll probably reach out to you all individually and 856 00:35:19,769 --> 00:35:21,079 then we'll schedule a 857 00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:26,630 time for the subcommittee to convene thank you okay 858 00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:27,599 Commissioner Griggle 859 00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:30,679 thank you chair are these are these meetings of the sub 860 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:31,360 committee going to be 861 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,960 posted in accordance with the Open Meetings Act and all 862 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,119 that yes okay yeah 863 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:39,760 that was it I just was just curious because it was only 864 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,880 three people but I 865 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:47,360 guess still has to be posted okay thank you 866 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,440 do we have anything else we're gonna close our work session 867 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:53,119 we can close it 868 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:56,199 unless the Commission would leave it open because the 869 00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:57,480 housing authority shows 870 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:03,219 up to make a presentation okay we have food okay at this 871 00:36:03,219 --> 00:36:06,679 time it's 5 35 and the 872 00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:11,969 work session this time is going to be a pause for recess 873 00:36:11,969 --> 00:36:14,039 and for food and we will 874 00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:19,639 be back shortly thank you 875 00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:32,099 it's 6 13 and we're going to be back in session following 876 00:36:32,099 --> 00:36:33,440 our recess and I think 877 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,280 we have a presentation from the housing authority 878 00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:46,920 thank you don't mind when you get started if you'll give us 879 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:47,559 your name and 880 00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:49,780 address and anybody else that would like to speak after you 881 00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:50,719 the same thing sure 882 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,320 sure thank you again mr. chairman members of the Commission 883 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,400 for this time to before 884 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,820 you tonight my name is Lance Vanzant address 512 West Hick 885 00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:00,639 ory Street in in 886 00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:03,840 Denton Texas I'm the representative of the applicant the N 887 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,920 RP group in 888 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,650 partnership with the Denton Housing Authority for this 889 00:37:07,650 --> 00:37:08,800 project that mr. Bell 890 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,659 is summarized in his staff report and summarized for you 891 00:37:11,659 --> 00:37:13,079 tonight as you may 892 00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:16,360 know we kind of began our pre-application process in late 893 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:16,760 spring 894 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,679 early summer and filed our formal application in July for a 895 00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:22,400 specific 896 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,630 use permit for our project on on McKinney Street in McKin 897 00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:27,199 ney Denton 898 00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:32,010 Denton apartments and we've been through several iterations 899 00:37:32,010 --> 00:37:32,920 of our of our initial 900 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,809 plan one of the primary challenges that we'll have some 901 00:37:36,809 --> 00:37:37,840 some folks here that can 902 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,880 answer specific questions if you have any one of our 903 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:40,920 primary challenges for 904 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,769 that side is if you've seen it at all you see it's a it's a 905 00:37:43,769 --> 00:37:44,760 really a beautiful 906 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,679 forested area the entire 16 acre site so we've and we 907 00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:51,400 wanted to utilize that to 908 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,119 our advantage to have a really a unique looking multifamily 909 00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:56,280 project there and 910 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,010 protect as much of the forest canopy as we could that 911 00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:00,679 presented some challenges 912 00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:03,679 for our engineers and architects but after you know several 913 00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:04,519 revisions we were 914 00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:07,889 able I believe to really come up with a product that the 915 00:38:07,889 --> 00:38:08,920 city and and the 916 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,090 clientele who will be served by the project will be really 917 00:38:12,090 --> 00:38:13,599 proud of I think 918 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,480 that that was that was summarized well and in mr. Bell 919 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,719 staff report and that 920 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,809 was the one of the primary issues that we had to deal with 921 00:38:20,809 --> 00:38:21,840 but once we once we 922 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,090 got through some of those issues it's been a it's been a 923 00:38:24,090 --> 00:38:25,039 really good process 924 00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:28,579 to go through I did want to thank Mike Bell and his staff 925 00:38:28,579 --> 00:38:29,599 and a lot of the 926 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,070 departments who came to many of the review meetings it's 927 00:38:32,070 --> 00:38:32,679 you know any 928 00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:37,949 project of this size is fairly complex and we had a lot of 929 00:38:37,949 --> 00:38:39,260 code compliance that 930 00:38:39,260 --> 00:38:42,599 we had to get through and and and mr. Bell and his staff 931 00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:43,639 and everyone involved 932 00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:46,750 was just really went out of the way to if we needed a 933 00:38:46,750 --> 00:38:48,360 meeting on short notice 934 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,980 we were able to get that and meet all our deadlines and we 935 00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:51,800 just appreciate 936 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,590 them in working with us it was really a it was really a 937 00:38:54,590 --> 00:38:56,639 good process and I know 938 00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:59,079 that you're probably an important element of the staff 939 00:38:59,079 --> 00:38:59,840 report that you 940 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,079 have before you you have a recommendation for approval with 941 00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:03,420 four 942 00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:05,719 conditions and just wanted to let the Commission know that 943 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:06,480 we're we're happy 944 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,929 to comply with those conditions so we're not we're not 945 00:39:08,929 --> 00:39:09,920 asking for anything 946 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,079 inconsistent with what his staff is recommending I guess 947 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:14,920 and we have a 948 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,880 PowerPoint presentation here that I'm going to introduce N 949 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,119 RP's representative 950 00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:23,360 Deborah Guerrero and and Sherry McDade with the Denton 951 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:23,480 Housing 952 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,170 Authority if either one or both of them want want to speak 953 00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:28,199 to this and take you 954 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:29,809 through the project they can kind of describe the 955 00:39:29,809 --> 00:39:31,400 partnership between Denton 956 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,289 Housing Authority and the NRP group so thank you again for 957 00:39:35,289 --> 00:39:35,920 your time. 958 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,980 Good evening my name is Sherry McDade I'm the CEO for Dent 959 00:39:42,980 --> 00:39:45,800 on Housing Authority 960 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,690 our address is 1225 Wilson Street I just wanted to tell you 961 00:39:49,690 --> 00:39:50,760 a little bit about 962 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,980 the Housing Authority and what we've experienced with 963 00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:55,400 affordable housing the 964 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,559 Housing Authority currently administers 1,526 rental vouch 965 00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:00,400 ers and those 966 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,420 vouchers allow our families to search for housing within 967 00:40:04,420 --> 00:40:05,920 the community we're 968 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,579 currently the families use those vouchers to pay about 30% 969 00:40:09,579 --> 00:40:10,119 of their 970 00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:13,829 income towards their renting utilities and we're about 95 971 00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:15,519 to 98 percent leased 972 00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:19,960 up on that program excuse me the Housing Authority also 973 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,320 owns and operates two 974 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,090 senior housing properties which is about 138 units total we 975 00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:28,400 have a newly built 976 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,880 Renaissance Court which is a low-income housing tax credit 977 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,400 property that's 150 978 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,130 units that's on Roodale Street and if some of you may 979 00:40:36,130 --> 00:40:37,599 remember that property 980 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,880 replaced the old Phoenix apartments that was there and 981 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,760 again that property is at 982 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,159 about a hundred percent leased up we've been continuing to 983 00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:48,280 serve the community 984 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,610 for the last 45 years by providing housing and housing 985 00:40:51,610 --> 00:40:54,119 assistance and this 986 00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:57,510 summer we opened up our waiting list for one week and we 987 00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:59,280 received over 3,500 988 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:05,250 applications for assistance over 1,700 of those applicants 989 00:41:05,250 --> 00:41:06,199 or families had a 990 00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:08,929 preference which is they were elderly handicapped or 991 00:41:08,929 --> 00:41:10,480 disabled they were a 992 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,210 veteran they were homeless or they were a victim of 993 00:41:13,210 --> 00:41:15,719 domestic violence and so as 994 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,480 you can see there is a big need for housing here in Denton 995 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,199 we continue to 996 00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:25,409 look for ways to expand our housing stock and our programs 997 00:41:25,409 --> 00:41:26,559 and one way for 998 00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:29,800 us to do that is to build or develop affordable housing 999 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,239 along with partners 1000 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,519 like NRP group they are a professional development company 1001 00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:37,239 that assist housing 1002 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,809 authorities and building and developing affordable housing 1003 00:41:40,809 --> 00:41:42,119 and the main thing is 1004 00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:45,260 to building it's building quality affordable housing and 1005 00:41:45,260 --> 00:41:45,760 making it 1006 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,260 affordable for low-income families and the community one 1007 00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:50,880 problem that we're 1008 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,340 having with our section 8 program is when families are 1009 00:41:54,340 --> 00:41:55,599 looking for rental 1010 00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:58,889 housing it's hard to find a landlord that will accept the 1011 00:41:58,889 --> 00:41:59,920 voucher and then 1012 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,349 once they find that it's hard for them to come up with 1013 00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:04,880 security deposits and 1014 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,760 also for the rents to be within the fair market rent that 1015 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:08,880 the voucher program 1016 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,639 that will cover so this development will assist us in 1017 00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:14,960 helping those families but 1018 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,670 also the many families that are on our waiting list and so 1019 00:42:18,670 --> 00:42:19,880 we just ask for your 1020 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,730 support and your approval of our permit to do the 1021 00:42:22,730 --> 00:42:24,360 development and I'll answer 1022 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,829 any questions that you may have. Commissioner Beck. Thank 1023 00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:30,539 you chair I just 1024 00:42:30,539 --> 00:42:35,889 like to make one comment I the Dent housing authorities 1025 00:42:35,889 --> 00:42:37,719 come a long way. Yes sir. 1026 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,659 In fact I was one of the first section 8 inspectors back in 1027 00:42:41,659 --> 00:42:43,280 the early 80s. Norm 1028 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,449 Schroeder was the director and we officed out of what's the 1029 00:42:46,449 --> 00:42:47,400 Cracker Barrel 1030 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,090 store over on Bell and Coronado. I've heard that story. So 1031 00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:52,000 you guys have grown 1032 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,889 and you've done an outstanding job. Thank you very much. 1033 00:42:55,889 --> 00:42:56,760 Thank you. Commissioner 1034 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,039 Bruegel. Thank you chair. This is a really exciting project 1035 00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:01,920 it really is. Thank you. 1036 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:07,889 Can you elaborate a bit on why these particular 16 acres 1037 00:43:07,889 --> 00:43:09,239 were chosen for the 1038 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,960 site given that there are the challenges with the future 1039 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,280 widening of McKinney the 1040 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,280 fact that it's next to a substation that's a heavily treed 1041 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,000 why this 1042 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,619 particular site? For a housing authority to even be able to 1043 00:43:21,619 --> 00:43:23,159 find a piece of land 1044 00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:26,250 in the city of Denton that meets all the qualifications for 1045 00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:26,840 the low-income 1046 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,559 housing tax credits that's one of the big things for us so 1047 00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:32,719 NRP came to us with 1048 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,809 the site already in hand. The housing authority has for the 1049 00:43:35,809 --> 00:43:36,519 last five years 1050 00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:39,980 tried to develop other sites that we currently own here in 1051 00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:41,119 town and we've not 1052 00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:43,849 been able to meet the criteria for the low-income housing 1053 00:43:43,849 --> 00:43:44,800 tax credit to even 1054 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,960 qualify for and so when they came to us and already had the 1055 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,039 site that worked 1056 00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:54,099 much better for us. Another question too about the 1057 00:43:54,099 --> 00:43:55,920 attendance at Lee 1058 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,780 Elementary and I see that Dr. Wilson you could have a great 1059 00:43:58,780 --> 00:43:59,800 lineup here of 1060 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,960 letters of support great job. But I was kind of curious how 1061 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:04,719 that might impact 1062 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,800 the attendance at Lee Elementary usually when we see cases 1063 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:08,519 of large-scale 1064 00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:11,039 projects like this there's something in the backup that 1065 00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:12,119 will say you know there's 1066 00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:14,219 going to be projected these many students at these 1067 00:44:14,219 --> 00:44:15,480 particular schools and 1068 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,090 I didn't see anything that like that in the backups I just 1069 00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:19,039 wanted you to talk 1070 00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:21,710 about I'm sure you've been in conversation with the 1071 00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:22,639 principal there at 1072 00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,079 Lee Elementary how's this going to affect attendance there? 1073 00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:26,159 If I'm not mistaken 1074 00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:30,050 Lee Elementary is not the elementary school it would be it 1075 00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:31,119 would be Rivera 1076 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:35,119 Tomas Rivera and and my developers do have some information 1077 00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:35,880 for you regarding 1078 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,730 the school school district so I'm sorry. That's all right 1079 00:44:38,730 --> 00:44:40,119 and I'm sorry I got 1080 00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:49,659 that school wrong. Any other questions? Thank you. Thank 1081 00:44:49,659 --> 00:44:49,679 you. 1082 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,630 Good evening my name is Deborah Guerrero I work with the N 1083 00:44:58,630 --> 00:45:01,280 RP group and we are 1084 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,130 very proud to be in partnership with the Denton Housing 1085 00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:05,039 Authority on this 1086 00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:11,349 particular development and do I just press oh good and just 1087 00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:12,440 to let you know 1088 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,349 a little bit about ourselves. Yes ma'am. My name is Deborah 1089 00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:16,679 Guerrero San Antonio 1090 00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:23,039 Texas 200 Concord Plaza Suite 900 San Antonio sorry. Again 1091 00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:24,239 I'm with the NRP 1092 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,789 group my colleague Jason Arrechiga is here as well as our 1093 00:45:27,789 --> 00:45:28,920 entire team that 1094 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,590 have been working on this development very proud of our 1095 00:45:31,590 --> 00:45:32,639 partnership with the 1096 00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:36,340 Denton Housing Authority. The NRP group we've been here in 1097 00:45:36,340 --> 00:45:37,599 Texas for over 11 1098 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:41,769 years we've built over 10,000 units in Texas our company 1099 00:45:41,769 --> 00:45:43,480 itself was created 1100 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,639 back in 1995 that's when it was founded but we got smart 1101 00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:48,800 and came down here I 1102 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,110 was already here so they came to me but this is where all 1103 00:45:52,110 --> 00:45:53,159 the growth is in 1104 00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:57,219 southwest of the United States and we really felt like this 1105 00:45:57,219 --> 00:45:58,000 was a great 1106 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,750 opportunity to bring in a quality company into Texas. Since 1107 00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:03,519 2004 NRP group 1108 00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:07,679 has developed over 2100 units of affordable housing in 1109 00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:08,679 partnership with 1110 00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:12,199 Texas Housing Authorities and we're very proud of that 1111 00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:13,880 because we provide not 1112 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,880 only development services quality construction and quality 1113 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:18,679 management and 1114 00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:21,880 as you know management is really the key to a lot of this 1115 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,159 not only do you create 1116 00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:26,619 a sustainable development construction wise but then you 1117 00:46:26,619 --> 00:46:27,679 need to make sure that 1118 00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:30,960 it's managed properly. The good thing is that all three of 1119 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,360 those entities are 1120 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,519 under one umbrella. Again as Sherry just mentioned with 1121 00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:37,960 over 3,000 families on 1122 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,320 the waiting list we felt that it was a great opportunity to 1123 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,239 partner with Denton 1124 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,550 Housing Authority why we chose this particular site it was 1125 00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:47,559 zoned with 1126 00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:52,360 the exception of course going through this 1127 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,150 process for the specific use permit. It is its proximity to 1128 00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:57,159 amenities is 1129 00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:00,340 absolutely fantastic especially for the families living 1130 00:47:00,340 --> 00:47:02,440 there. When we did visit 1131 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,199 with the school districts and in fact one of the commission 1132 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:07,559 ers Miss 1133 00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:11,309 English here was was very instrumental in that. They were 1134 00:47:11,309 --> 00:47:12,559 very supportive I 1135 00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:14,679 mean they were supportive of it as long as we met the 1136 00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:16,019 characteristics that they 1137 00:47:16,019 --> 00:47:19,909 outlined and ordinarily just to answer your question on the 1138 00:47:19,909 --> 00:47:20,440 number of 1139 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,349 school-aged children that usually live in our residence we 1140 00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:27,599 average about one per 1141 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:31,190 unit school-aged children because we do see that a lot of 1142 00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:32,440 our families are young 1143 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,599 families with kids that that haven't yet gone to school and 1144 00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:37,599 we have a lot of 1145 00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,670 seniors too so so that's why it averages about one per unit 1146 00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:43,239 . What we are proposing 1147 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:50,679 over here on 2105 East McKinney are 322 units at a cost of 1148 00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:51,880 about 45 million 1149 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,880 dollars in investment 44.6 but I'll round up. It'll include 1150 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,019 one to four 1151 00:47:58,019 --> 00:48:05,539 bedroom units with rents ranging from 569 to 1,035 a month. 1152 00:48:05,539 --> 00:48:07,400 We do another reason 1153 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,250 that this particular site was located is because of the 1154 00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:11,880 financing. It lies within 1155 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,769 a qualified census tract which allows us to boost up the 1156 00:48:15,769 --> 00:48:17,159 amount of equity that 1157 00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:21,809 can we can receive to actually finance a community like 1158 00:48:21,809 --> 00:48:23,119 this. So that's another 1159 00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:26,380 reason that this particular site was selected. We as Lance 1160 00:48:26,380 --> 00:48:27,800 mentioned we've 1161 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,820 been working very closely with your city staff to be 1162 00:48:31,820 --> 00:48:33,719 consistent with the city 1163 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,659 code. We've taught we we worked really hard to make sure 1164 00:48:37,659 --> 00:48:38,039 that we were 1165 00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:41,360 consistent with the letter and spirit of your plan and your 1166 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,639 guidelines and one of 1167 00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:46,599 our highest priorities was preserving so many of the 1168 00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:48,480 existing trees and we did 1169 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,530 that in by where we located and sited buildings the way 1170 00:48:52,530 --> 00:48:53,639 that we had our 1171 00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:58,159 parking lots and driveways meander through the site and and 1172 00:48:58,159 --> 00:48:59,480 just I'm sure a 1173 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,010 lot of other a lot of other ways that that Mike will go 1174 00:49:03,010 --> 00:49:04,400 into in more detail 1175 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,610 later but we're very proud that we were able to to keep so 1176 00:49:08,610 --> 00:49:09,800 many trees and 1177 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,420 honestly not only because we wanted to exceed the tree 1178 00:49:13,420 --> 00:49:15,159 ordinance but because it 1179 00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:19,559 makes for a nice property it makes for a nice place for 1180 00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:23,760 families to live. Sorry 1181 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,650 we're also more than just housing as Sherry mentioned there 1182 00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:28,360 are so many 1183 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,480 families that are really just looking for a great place to 1184 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:32,599 live for their kids 1185 00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:36,070 so we provide more than just a roof over their heads. We 1186 00:49:36,070 --> 00:49:37,000 have a number of 1187 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,630 amenities or it is a gated community we have a swimming 1188 00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:41,840 pool a health and 1189 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,519 fitness center again the on-site property management we 1190 00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:46,880 also because the 1191 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,070 Housing Authority and it was a priority of theirs added an 1192 00:49:50,070 --> 00:49:51,679 additional community 1193 00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:55,429 conference space an additional space for families to gather 1194 00:49:55,429 --> 00:49:56,800 together. We have a 1195 00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,349 children's playground, multiple laundry areas and again 1196 00:50:00,349 --> 00:50:02,079 that natural green open 1197 00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:05,969 space that's all complemented by the trees the the mature 1198 00:50:05,969 --> 00:50:07,079 trees that exist 1199 00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:10,659 there. We have a business center that is available to and 1200 00:50:10,659 --> 00:50:11,840 equipped with Wi-Fi 1201 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,840 computers and printers that are available to our residents 1202 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:15,559 free of charge 1203 00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:19,570 and we also have a resident service program because again 1204 00:50:19,570 --> 00:50:20,639 it's more than 1205 00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:23,559 just housing it's about sometimes being able to help 1206 00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:25,760 families when they just 1207 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,000 want to step up whether it's through financial literacy 1208 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,079 whether it's through 1209 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:34,389 computer training and one of our most important programs is 1210 00:50:34,389 --> 00:50:35,599 our homework first 1211 00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:40,900 program where we actually have somebody that's available to 1212 00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:42,400 tutor after school 1213 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,559 every day and then even during the summer somebody that's 1214 00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:47,320 there so that 1215 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,769 children are not left as latchkey children just at home 1216 00:50:50,769 --> 00:50:51,679 that they have 1217 00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:55,159 somewhere safe and that their parents know that they are 1218 00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:58,400 somewhere safe and so 1219 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,480 we're very proud of our resident service program especially 1220 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:02,400 the homework first 1221 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,150 program and our community housing resource partners which 1222 00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:07,079 provides these 1223 00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:09,769 resident services all over the United States I'm sorry all 1224 00:51:09,769 --> 00:51:10,400 over the state of 1225 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,550 Texas they actually connect with local entities and serve 1226 00:51:15,550 --> 00:51:17,039 as that clearinghouse 1227 00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:19,429 that referral service because nobody wants to replicate 1228 00:51:19,429 --> 00:51:20,519 what you already have 1229 00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:24,000 here we just want to connect families and people to all the 1230 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,199 great programs you 1231 00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:28,960 have here this is a site plan that again I'm sure Mike will 1232 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,320 go into more detail 1233 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:35,070 about as we mentioned it's 16 acres 322 units the density 1234 00:51:35,070 --> 00:51:37,159 is at 20 units per 1235 00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:41,360 acre our parking ratio at 1.94 with a total number of 1236 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,280 parking spaces 626 and a 1237 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:49,300 total bike parking of 35 again community support because 1238 00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:50,800 that's absolutely 1239 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,500 essential in in any development that's coming into 1240 00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:57,559 neighborhoods we we just we 1241 00:51:57,559 --> 00:52:01,010 just built upon the goal of DHA which was to meet the need 1242 00:52:01,010 --> 00:52:01,719 of working 1243 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,610 families in the city of Denton and to provide quality 1244 00:52:05,610 --> 00:52:07,119 affordable housing 1245 00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:10,309 through their board meetings through meetings with elected 1246 00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:11,119 and community 1247 00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:14,849 leaders and a formal public meeting we provided information 1248 00:52:14,849 --> 00:52:15,480 about the 1249 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,639 development and we've received letters of support from the 1250 00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:21,000 United Way friends 1251 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,750 of the family Denton County MHMR and Denton ISD as was 1252 00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:26,440 mentioned previously 1253 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:32,130 and and and as we mentioned the students the the children 1254 00:52:32,130 --> 00:52:33,679 of the residents the 1255 00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:37,000 students will be attending Tomas Rivera elementary school 1256 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,219 Betty Myers middle 1257 00:52:38,219 --> 00:52:43,059 school and Ryan High School again we want to thank staff 1258 00:52:43,059 --> 00:52:45,320 for working with us so 1259 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,530 closely and we are proud to be here as a member of a 1260 00:52:49,530 --> 00:52:50,920 partnership with the Denton 1261 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,420 Housing Authority and we're asking the city of Denton now 1262 00:52:54,420 --> 00:52:55,239 to join us in 1263 00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,659 supporting excellent housing opportunities and we're asking 1264 00:52:59,659 --> 00:53:00,119 you to 1265 00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:03,199 approve our specific use permit and we actually have our 1266 00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:04,000 engineers and 1267 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,719 architects here to answer any questions you might have as 1268 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,119 well as anybody else 1269 00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:13,320 from the Denton Housing Authority and from the NRP group 1270 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,039 thank you thank you 1271 00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:19,099 any questions Commissioner Beck thank you chair that those 1272 00:53:19,099 --> 00:53:20,280 rent figures you gave 1273 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,329 this does that include any utilities at all or is that just 1274 00:53:24,329 --> 00:53:25,199 strictly rent that's 1275 00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:27,880 strictly rent okay but all the other amenities you were 1276 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:28,360 talking about the 1277 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,699 services and everything that's free I mean that's part of 1278 00:53:32,699 --> 00:53:33,760 what you provide 1279 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,760 absolutely okay absolutely very good thank you not nothing 1280 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:38,079 is at an 1281 00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:47,119 additional cost no parking no anything else Commissioner H 1282 00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:48,280 ussbaston thank you 1283 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,070 chair I just have a general question I'm not sure if it's 1284 00:53:51,070 --> 00:53:53,079 but with respect how 1285 00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:58,579 will the once it's built how the is there a selection 1286 00:53:58,579 --> 00:54:00,280 process is it that 1287 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:05,030 current residents will get an option to transition how's 1288 00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:06,000 that going to be managed 1289 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,360 I'm going to let Sherry address that but just in general 1290 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,519 though what happens is 1291 00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:16,719 because of fair housing everybody anybody that wants to 1292 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:17,880 live there can 1293 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,940 come and apply there's an application process and everybody 1294 00:54:22,940 --> 00:54:23,920 has to go through 1295 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,280 anybody that's over 18 in any unit even if they're not the 1296 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,159 name on the lease 1297 00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:31,079 they they have to go through a criminal background check 1298 00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:32,000 they have to go through 1299 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,449 a credit check and they have to make at least two and a 1300 00:54:35,449 --> 00:54:37,079 half times the amount of 1301 00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:40,309 rent I mean that because these are for this is for working 1302 00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:41,599 families this is not 1303 00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:44,449 any public housing free housing I mean this is working 1304 00:54:44,449 --> 00:54:45,639 working families and 1305 00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:49,690 people and so so they'll they'll go through that screening 1306 00:54:49,690 --> 00:54:51,559 process now Sherry 1307 00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:54,639 can speak more specifically to how the vouchers work but 1308 00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:55,679 those vouchers are 1309 00:54:55,679 --> 00:54:59,050 counted towards the income towards that two and a half 1310 00:54:59,050 --> 00:55:00,960 times two and a half time 1311 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:06,019 need a requirement for the rent a family who's a current 1312 00:55:06,019 --> 00:55:07,599 voucher holder they will 1313 00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:10,039 be able to move into this development but they would still 1314 00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:10,840 have to meet those 1315 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,320 same guidelines and qualifications in order to move in so 1316 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,199 it's the same 1317 00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:19,500 background check on everyone and we're not going to take 1318 00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:21,679 the first 322 people 1319 00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,469 from the top of the waiting list again it's whoever it's 1320 00:55:24,469 --> 00:55:25,559 open for anyone in the 1321 00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:29,199 community to apply for but Commissioner Hotspeth will be 1322 00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:30,599 able to go to them 1323 00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:34,360 though and market and we can specifically market along with 1324 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:34,800 Denton 1325 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,500 Housing Authority to those very families so that they know 1326 00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:39,559 the minute everything 1327 00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:43,019 opens up that they can come and apply how the opportunity 1328 00:55:43,019 --> 00:55:44,000 to apply probably 1329 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:50,119 before other folks know about it sure sure okay thank you 1330 00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:51,119 sure yes 1331 00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:54,039 Commissioner back for sure thank you chair I meant to ask 1332 00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:55,599 you all ago will 1333 00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:00,039 y'all have an on-site manager 24/7 and what about security 1334 00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:01,199 yes there will be 1335 00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:04,949 on-site management at the property there won't be on-site 1336 00:56:04,949 --> 00:56:06,079 security but there'll 1337 00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:10,820 be there it's a gated community and so one proper one at 1338 00:56:10,820 --> 00:56:12,079 our property and 1339 00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,960 Renaissance courts we have a police officer who actually 1340 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:15,960 lives in a unit so 1341 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,989 that's something that we'll probably look into also yes we 1342 00:56:19,989 --> 00:56:20,679 have courtesy 1343 00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:23,760 officer programs and and some of our other residential 1344 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:24,880 communities and that's 1345 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,070 something we definitely would want to work with housing 1346 00:56:28,070 --> 00:56:28,920 authority to create 1347 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:36,639 that opportunity great thank you very much thank you thank 1348 00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:39,119 you it is 633 and 1349 00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:42,059 that's our final presentation in our work session so we're 1350 00:56:42,059 --> 00:56:42,960 gonna close the 1351 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,530 work session again at 633 and we'll reconvene in council 1352 00:56:46,530 --> 00:56:49,920 chambers thank you 1353 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,980 good evening and welcome to the city of Denton planning and 1354 00:56:57,980 --> 00:57:00,679 zoning Commission 1355 00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:07,449 for November 4th 2015 it is 643 this meeting has been duly 1356 00:57:07,449 --> 00:57:08,519 posted in a 1357 00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:11,050 quorum and is present and I'm gonna call the meeting to 1358 00:57:11,050 --> 00:57:12,280 order and our first item 1359 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,730 of business is going to be to give the pledge of allegiance 1360 00:57:14,730 --> 00:57:15,519 to the US flag and 1361 00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:18,119 the Texas flag 1362 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,900 to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God 1363 00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:31,559 indivisible 1364 00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:35,519 liberty and justice for all 1365 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,880 first order of business is going to be the consent agenda 1366 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:08,920 and chair would 1367 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,719 entertain a motion 1368 00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:22,599 the first from mr. Brubel would you like to make your 1369 00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:23,800 motion thank you chair I 1370 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,969 move approval of the consent agenda items Commissioner H 1371 00:58:27,969 --> 00:58:29,239 odge but thank you 1372 00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:35,230 second okay I have a first and a second any discussion 1373 00:58:35,230 --> 00:58:37,280 saying none I'll call for 1374 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,800 a vote on the board 1375 00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:56,070 motion passes six to zero that moves us to our public 1376 00:58:56,070 --> 00:58:59,239 hearings I'm going to make 1377 00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:02,719 a change in the order of our public hearings we have one 1378 00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:04,400 item item B that we 1379 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:12,199 will hear first this particular item has been continued and 1380 00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:14,639 it will be heard on 1381 00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:22,679 our November 18th meeting okay with that note we will then 1382 00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:24,199 so anybody that was 1383 00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:27,380 here for that particular item just for your information 1384 00:59:27,380 --> 00:59:28,480 that will not be heard 1385 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,530 tonight so if you're here for that item they will not be 1386 00:59:32,530 --> 00:59:34,800 heard tonight that will 1387 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:41,119 move us back to our item a s-15 - 0 0 9 and I'm going to 1388 00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:42,679 open the public hearing 1389 00:59:42,679 --> 00:59:47,659 for that item and a column and all for presentation thank 1390 00:59:47,659 --> 00:59:48,960 you mr. chair I'm 1391 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,119 going to ask Mike Bell our senior planner to make this 1392 00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:56,480 presentation thank 1393 00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,559 you been all mr. chairman members of the commission this 1394 00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:02,480 project is s-15 9 for 1395 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:07,030 the McKinney Denton apartments the request before you 1396 01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:08,280 tonight tonight is to 1397 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,440 consider making a recommendation to City Council regarding 1398 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:13,760 a specific use permit 1399 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,469 for a multifamily development on 16 acres on the south side 1400 01:00:17,469 --> 01:00:18,199 of McKinney 1401 01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:22,949 Street this is a multifamily project the African is NRP 1402 01:00:22,949 --> 01:00:24,719 group and partnership 1403 01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:27,940 with the Denton Housing Authority this will be a low-income 1404 01:00:27,940 --> 01:00:28,960 housing tax credit 1405 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:34,199 development the site here is outlined in yellow you can see 1406 01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:35,159 it's undeveloped but 1407 01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:38,369 heavily forested it's a located along the south side of McK 1408 01:00:38,369 --> 01:00:40,260 inney Street Woodrow 1409 01:00:40,260 --> 01:00:45,679 Lane is to the west loop 288 is further on down to the east 1410 01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:47,400 it's located along 1411 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,500 McKinney Street which is currently a two-lane undivided 1412 01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:51,559 roadway owned and 1413 01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:55,010 maintained by text dot we'll get into that a bit more in a 1414 01:00:55,010 --> 01:00:57,000 bit to the east is 1415 01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,550 the recently constructed DME substation and the recently 1416 01:01:00,550 --> 01:01:02,079 approved majestic at 1417 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:06,239 McKinney Apartments that received its SUP approval a couple 1418 01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:08,079 months ago to the 1419 01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:11,969 south is some undeveloped properties owned for single- 1420 01:01:11,969 --> 01:01:14,000 family to the west is 1421 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,599 Mac Park City Park in between the park and the subject 1422 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:18,360 property is actually 1423 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:23,719 another parcel it's undeveloped and zoned for mixed use and 1424 01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:25,000 to the north we 1425 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:29,380 have Mac Park we have the summer wind neighborhood of my 1426 01:01:29,380 --> 01:01:30,940 law office the 1427 01:01:30,940 --> 01:01:33,489 fountains of Denton Apartments some additional single- 1428 01:01:33,489 --> 01:01:34,519 family and may believe 1429 01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:39,230 homes and some undeveloped mixed-use zoning property 1430 01:01:39,230 --> 01:01:41,039 currently the property 1431 01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:43,949 is owned neighborhood residential mixed use that's the 1432 01:01:43,949 --> 01:01:45,920 color here in red this 1433 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,539 site as well as some additional parcels along with it were 1434 01:01:49,539 --> 01:01:51,159 originally zoned in 1435 01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:54,869 our mutual which is the orange you see here but in 2008 a 1436 01:01:54,869 --> 01:01:56,079 developer came in 1437 01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:59,170 with a multifamily project rezone the site to NRM you and 1438 01:01:59,170 --> 01:02:00,039 had an SUP approved 1439 01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:03,639 they never ended up developing and so that SUP has expired 1440 01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:04,679 this project is a 1441 01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:07,480 new applicant a new developer and now they're coming in for 1442 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:08,280 the SUP under the 1443 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:14,059 current NRM you zone this is the proposed site plan and I 1444 01:02:14,059 --> 01:02:15,159 'll go into a bit 1445 01:02:15,159 --> 01:02:19,059 more detail but it does include 11 apartment buildings 322 1446 01:02:19,059 --> 01:02:20,440 units two 1447 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,909 community centers some amenities including a business 1448 01:02:22,909 --> 01:02:23,559 center fitness 1449 01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:28,440 center swimming pool after-school program as well some 1450 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:29,400 additional amenities will 1451 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,210 get into there are a number of building types the first is 1452 01:02:33,210 --> 01:02:34,360 the a type which is 1453 01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,670 three stories and 30 units will also be to type B which are 1454 01:02:38,670 --> 01:02:39,719 also three stories 1455 01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:44,880 and 30 units one type C building which is three stories and 1456 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,119 12 units to type 1457 01:02:48,119 --> 01:02:52,170 D buildings which are two stories with ten units and then 1458 01:02:52,170 --> 01:02:54,000 to type E buildings 1459 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,099 which were two stories and 12 units there was some 1460 01:02:57,099 --> 01:02:58,480 discussion in the work 1461 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,920 session about the 60% recommendation that we'll be talking 1462 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,280 about for the 1463 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,480 purpose of that really was these two buildings up front 1464 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:05,320 were very similar 1465 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,260 when we started and we've kind of worked with the applicant 1466 01:03:08,260 --> 01:03:09,079 to differentiate with 1467 01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:12,079 them to meet the intent of the code and part of the 60% was 1468 01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:12,960 to help us meet that 1469 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:18,070 intent and then lastly we have a type F building which was 1470 01:03:18,070 --> 01:03:18,960 a which is a four 1471 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,670 story building with 116 units this was probably the biggest 1472 01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:22,280 change from their 1473 01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,760 original plans they they went vertical so that they could 1474 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:26,440 save a large number 1475 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,369 of trees in this area we'll get into that with a landscape 1476 01:03:29,369 --> 01:03:30,400 plan but that's 1477 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,849 the reason for four stories there also as I said there are 1478 01:03:33,849 --> 01:03:34,960 two amenity centers 1479 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,849 one here and this is a laundry slash community room they'll 1480 01:03:38,849 --> 01:03:39,719 also be providing 1481 01:03:39,719 --> 01:03:47,280 35 bike racks and enhanced sidewalk along McKinney Street 1482 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:51,079 this is what a 1483 01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:53,320 typical elevation would look like each building type has a 1484 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:54,239 different elevations 1485 01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:56,949 but they'll all be generally consistent with this kind of 1486 01:03:56,949 --> 01:03:58,840 design scheme which is 1487 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:05,460 the masonry masonry here siding and stucco wall again they 1488 01:04:05,460 --> 01:04:06,280 vary in height 1489 01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:12,269 and in dimensions but they're all generally this design 1490 01:04:12,269 --> 01:04:14,199 scheme access to 1491 01:04:14,199 --> 01:04:17,139 the property will be from McKinney Street it's currently a 1492 01:04:17,139 --> 01:04:17,599 two lane 1493 01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:20,679 undivided roadway owned and maintained by text dot it is 1494 01:04:20,679 --> 01:04:21,880 planned for widening 1495 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,460 in the future the current date is estimated at 2018 but 1496 01:04:25,460 --> 01:04:26,960 that may change 1497 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:31,150 it's estimated that the capacity of the road and current 1498 01:04:31,150 --> 01:04:32,719 condition is around 1499 01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:36,880 somewhere around 9,000 trips per day city counts estimated 1500 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,119 around 14,000 but 1501 01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:42,039 once it's wide we will have capacity for up to 24,000 so 1502 01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:42,840 maybe in a few years 1503 01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,500 we'll have that needed capacity but in the meantime we're 1504 01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:46,199 proposing some 1505 01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:49,360 mitigation measures here and that's at their primary access 1506 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,119 on the east east 1507 01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:55,010 side of the property we will require a left turn lane into 1508 01:04:55,010 --> 01:04:56,280 the site and a right 1509 01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,619 turn lane into the site and this lines up with the future 1510 01:04:59,619 --> 01:05:00,599 median opening once 1511 01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:04,119 the road is widened the purpose for these turn lanes is so 1512 01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:04,519 that people 1513 01:05:04,519 --> 01:05:08,059 entering the development can can sit and stack without 1514 01:05:08,059 --> 01:05:09,320 blocking the through 1515 01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,480 traffic as they move east and west across McKinney Street 1516 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:13,960 the secondary 1517 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,670 access is on the west side and it will be an emergency 1518 01:05:16,670 --> 01:05:18,360 access only the reason 1519 01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,900 for this is we really there's without a median just the 1520 01:05:21,900 --> 01:05:22,800 center strap people 1521 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,179 could cross illegally to the left or cross illegally coming 1522 01:05:26,179 --> 01:05:27,000 into the side 1523 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,250 crossing those stripes so to prevent that and to force 1524 01:05:30,250 --> 01:05:31,159 people down to the 1525 01:05:31,159 --> 01:05:34,800 turn lanes and help help the traffic situation this will be 1526 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:35,440 emergency only 1527 01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:41,110 once Teasley or excuse me once McKinney is widened then 1528 01:05:41,110 --> 01:05:41,960 then there's a median 1529 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,409 placed here they can change that from emergency access to a 1530 01:05:44,409 --> 01:05:45,159 fully operating 1531 01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:50,340 right in right out for use by the residents this is the 1532 01:05:50,340 --> 01:05:52,559 landscape plan I'm 1533 01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:56,010 going to a bit more detail we the most challenging part of 1534 01:05:56,010 --> 01:05:57,440 this side was it was 1535 01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,409 without doubt the the tree code requirements that is heavy 1536 01:06:00,409 --> 01:06:00,920 very heavily 1537 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,409 forested side the trees shown here in green are the 1538 01:06:04,409 --> 01:06:05,880 existing trees that 1539 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:10,179 they're planning to preserve and these tree these trees do 1540 01:06:10,179 --> 01:06:11,440 exceed the tree code 1541 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,639 requirement for preservation and mitigation you can see 1542 01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:15,199 that they 1543 01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:18,099 clustered preserved a lot of trees clustered inside the 1544 01:06:18,099 --> 01:06:18,840 type F building 1545 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,130 inside the open spaces and along McKinney Street so that 1546 01:06:22,130 --> 01:06:23,079 they're not just 1547 01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:25,039 preserving the trees but there's preserving them in areas 1548 01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:25,519 that are useful 1549 01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:28,369 to the residents in these open spaces and create a unique 1550 01:06:28,369 --> 01:06:29,239 field unique tree 1551 01:06:29,239 --> 01:06:32,360 site in addition to the trees are preserving they're also 1552 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:33,119 adding quite a 1553 01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:37,280 bit a few new trees the one shown in the darker green and 1554 01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,039 those trees include a 1555 01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:43,380 15 foot planted buffer adjacent to the substation and a 10 1556 01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:44,440 foot landscaping 1557 01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,010 strip adjacent to the single-family zoning to the south as 1558 01:06:47,010 --> 01:06:48,079 well as a large 1559 01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:51,329 number of what are being named street trees along the 1560 01:06:51,329 --> 01:06:52,480 interior streets of the 1561 01:06:52,480 --> 01:07:00,280 development future land use plan for this area the site 1562 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:01,000 here is kind of 1563 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,610 outlined in black is for moderate residential moderate 1564 01:07:03,610 --> 01:07:04,320 residential's plan 1565 01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,940 for primarily residential uses primarily single-family from 1566 01:07:07,940 --> 01:07:08,760 6 to 12 1567 01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,739 units per acre but it does the comp plan does say that 1568 01:07:11,739 --> 01:07:12,519 apartments should be 1569 01:07:12,519 --> 01:07:17,090 allowed if they're of high quality and maintained just to 1570 01:07:17,090 --> 01:07:18,639 summarize some of the 1571 01:07:18,639 --> 01:07:21,739 considerations we talked about here staff did review the 1572 01:07:21,739 --> 01:07:22,320 site plan 1573 01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,059 landscaping elevations and all are compliant with the 1574 01:07:24,059 --> 01:07:24,800 requirements of the 1575 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,300 DDC we don't anticipate any impacts on adjacent uses we did 1576 01:07:28,300 --> 01:07:29,119 review preliminary 1577 01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:32,199 infrastructure and deemed that they will be adequate under 1578 01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:34,199 future conditions we 1579 01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:38,690 also found that the the athlete design the site to preserve 1580 01:07:38,690 --> 01:07:40,039 the existing trees 1581 01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:42,920 and our minimum tree code requirements will be met and we 1582 01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:43,719 wanted to stress the 1583 01:07:43,719 --> 01:07:46,079 design aspect of how they designed around those trees 1584 01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:47,119 really made it a solid 1585 01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:51,110 effort they also are providing some bicycle pedestrian 1586 01:07:51,110 --> 01:07:51,679 facilities by 1587 01:07:51,679 --> 01:07:54,659 providing enhanced sidewalk along McKinney as well as 35 1588 01:07:54,659 --> 01:07:55,480 back bike racks 1589 01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:59,400 within the site although the side is moderate residential 1590 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:00,760 under the current 1591 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,119 zoning they can add up to 30 units per acre so this is kind 1592 01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:03,559 of a good 1593 01:08:03,559 --> 01:08:06,030 compromise between what is currently zoned and what the 1594 01:08:06,030 --> 01:08:09,800 future might hold to 1595 01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,400 mitigate some of those impacts with McKinney in the interim 1596 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:12,599 they're 1597 01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:14,489 required to construct those turn lanes at the primary 1598 01:08:14,489 --> 01:08:15,280 entrance and make the 1599 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,640 secondary access emergency only again once it's widened 1600 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:19,640 that can become a 1601 01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:24,520 full fully servicing right in right out access and lastly 1602 01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,399 didn't plan 2030 has a 1603 01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:30,300 lot of good good things to say about a lot of good 1604 01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:31,800 information about the 1605 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,550 shortage of affordable housing and in it's one of the goals 1606 01:08:35,550 --> 01:08:36,359 of our comp plan 1607 01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:39,350 to help increase the the amount of affordable housing that 1608 01:08:39,350 --> 01:08:40,159 we can provide 1609 01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:44,050 in the city and to go in more information about this 1610 01:08:44,050 --> 01:08:44,960 project in housing 1611 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,279 authority and how their program in the side I will I will 1612 01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:48,600 recommend you reserve 1613 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,340 those questions for didn't housing authority I think they 1614 01:08:51,340 --> 01:08:51,960 're very well 1615 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,529 equipped to answer those questions we did send out notices 1616 01:08:55,529 --> 01:08:56,479 to property owners 1617 01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,699 than 200 feet and physical addresses within 500 feet as of 1618 01:08:59,699 --> 01:09:00,600 creating this 1619 01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,720 presentation I did receive one notice in opposition you'll 1620 01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:04,359 receive that in your 1621 01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:08,079 backup they did not provide an address so we have to do 1622 01:09:08,079 --> 01:09:08,760 some further research 1623 01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,340 to see exactly where they were we did receive that notice 1624 01:09:11,340 --> 01:09:12,000 and it's been 1625 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,760 provided to you lastly based on everything we've talked 1626 01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:16,600 about and the 1627 01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,750 requirements of our didn't development code staff does 1628 01:09:18,750 --> 01:09:19,680 recommend approval of 1629 01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,840 this SUP subject to the following conditions first is that 1630 01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:24,359 it shall 1631 01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:27,029 substantially comply with the site plan and landscape plan 1632 01:09:27,029 --> 01:09:28,600 attached second the 1633 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,649 maximum number of units shall be 322 units third has 1634 01:09:32,649 --> 01:09:33,920 discussed the Western 1635 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,699 access shall be emergency access only until McKinney Street 1636 01:09:36,699 --> 01:09:37,439 is widened in the 1637 01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,659 median is installed and lastly that building facades facing 1638 01:09:40,659 --> 01:09:41,520 McKinney Street 1639 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,189 shall have a minimum of 60% Mason you building building 1640 01:09:44,189 --> 01:09:45,520 materials gables 1641 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,909 windows doors and related trims may be excluded from this 1642 01:09:47,909 --> 01:09:48,439 percentage 1643 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,600 calculation with that I've concluded my presentation and I 1644 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:52,039 'll stand for any 1645 01:09:52,039 --> 01:09:54,319 questions the applicant is also here to answer any 1646 01:09:54,319 --> 01:09:56,720 questions 1647 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:05,210 any questions for staff thank you Mike this is a public 1648 01:10:05,210 --> 01:10:08,279 hearing if there's 1649 01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:10,960 anyone that would like to speak we'll need you to fill out 1650 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:11,800 a yellow card I 1651 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,439 would invite you if you would like to come up and speak 1652 01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:15,359 please fill out a 1653 01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:18,300 yellow card especially if you're going to speak in 1654 01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:19,920 opposition we would like to 1655 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,800 get that card in as well 1656 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:33,109 I'm gonna go ahead and call first card that we have hope 1657 01:10:33,109 --> 01:10:35,680 you got that back in 1658 01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:41,789 the back this is a public hearing I'm gonna call the first 1659 01:10:41,789 --> 01:10:42,359 card we have to 1660 01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:45,699 speak which is going to be I believe it is Rob or Bob Rain 1661 01:10:45,699 --> 01:10:50,159 er at South Locust 1662 01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:00,159 thank you mr. chair commissioners I represent the owner 1663 01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:01,880 that owns the land 1664 01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:06,819 immediately to the west of the desired property runs the 1665 01:11:06,819 --> 01:11:07,920 full length of the 1666 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:12,420 west side and also the full length of the south side of the 1667 01:11:12,420 --> 01:11:14,199 property concerns 1668 01:11:14,199 --> 01:11:20,170 that they have are as they were looking at and I had very 1669 01:11:20,170 --> 01:11:23,000 nice meeting with mr. 1670 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,800 Van Zandt concerning this and I presented the information 1671 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:26,720 to them they 1672 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,960 were a little apprehensive with the number of units being 3 1673 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,279 22 with 1674 01:11:32,279 --> 01:11:36,439 approximately roughly give or take maybe as many as 1200 1675 01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:37,720 people could be out on 1676 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,199 16 acres and they're going to be using one curb cut 1677 01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:42,800 possibly two after the 1678 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,689 development or the widening of McKinney Street this 1679 01:11:46,689 --> 01:11:48,600 concerns our client my 1680 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,329 client in that his property merely to the west might be 1681 01:11:52,329 --> 01:11:53,680 affected as far as 1682 01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,680 being able to get a curb cut on his property because of the 1683 01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:57,560 curb cut on Mac 1684 01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,550 Park and then this curb cut looking at the distances and 1685 01:12:01,550 --> 01:12:02,159 all we would be 1686 01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:06,949 violating the curb cut distances and we we can't allow that 1687 01:12:06,949 --> 01:12:07,880 the development that 1688 01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:13,850 we have is approximately 400 acres and that is south of 1689 01:12:13,850 --> 01:12:16,680 that of that about 135 1690 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,760 of it is residential which is north of the creek and we're 1691 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,119 looking at having 1692 01:12:21,119 --> 01:12:24,350 development being done and we've always looked at that 1693 01:12:24,350 --> 01:12:25,680 particular track as a 1694 01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:31,449 major arterial leaving of that property going on to McKin 1695 01:12:31,449 --> 01:12:34,319 ney Street we also are 1696 01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:38,210 concerned about the two back buildings that are four 1697 01:12:38,210 --> 01:12:39,960 stories if this is 1698 01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,619 approved we would like to see that those story four stories 1699 01:12:42,619 --> 01:12:44,039 be moved over to the 1700 01:12:44,039 --> 01:12:47,970 substation side since nobody's going to see that when they 1701 01:12:47,970 --> 01:12:49,439 have their yard built 1702 01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,739 and they're grilling and they look back and they see the 1703 01:12:51,739 --> 01:12:52,760 four story apartments 1704 01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:56,800 by having them moved I think it helps us with marketing 1705 01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,319 that we will be doing 1706 01:12:58,319 --> 01:13:03,000 with our residential developments as they come along that 1707 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:04,560 primarily takes 1708 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,789 care of what our concerns are at this time and I'd be glad 1709 01:13:07,789 --> 01:13:08,680 to answer any 1710 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,630 questions that you may have just for clarification could we 1711 01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:13,239 get the map 1712 01:13:13,239 --> 01:13:15,529 pulled up and you would you mind pointing out which pieces 1713 01:13:15,529 --> 01:13:16,079 of property 1714 01:13:16,079 --> 01:13:19,800 you're representing happy to thank you 1715 01:13:29,039 --> 01:13:36,279 can you point it out that track and then would you also 1716 01:13:36,279 --> 01:13:38,880 just push that it's this 1717 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:45,079 track also so does that help you all seen what we're 1718 01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:46,520 talking about now so 1719 01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:50,289 it's not only this one but it's also the track and that 1720 01:13:50,289 --> 01:13:51,920 runs the entire south 1721 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,920 side of the property okay just for our clarification is 1722 01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:56,840 there one owner that 1723 01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:02,810 owns that or yes there is one owner okay yes yes ma'am 1724 01:14:02,810 --> 01:14:04,119 question commissioner 1725 01:14:04,119 --> 01:14:09,289 Dudowitz yes sir you mentioned the four-story building yes 1726 01:14:09,289 --> 01:14:09,560 I'm not 1727 01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,720 mistaken I think that's if I read the maps correctly it's 1728 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:14,800 on the far east side 1729 01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:19,640 of this property but enough against the electric station I 1730 01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:20,560 hope that's the case 1731 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,710 I thought I saw it on the south side when they were talking 1732 01:14:22,710 --> 01:14:23,800 could you clarify 1733 01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,760 please yes the only four-story building is right here 1734 01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:28,880 correct all right that was 1735 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:33,079 my understanding thank you once again it there is it is a 1736 01:14:33,079 --> 01:14:33,960 budding on that south 1737 01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:37,039 side we'd like to see it moved a little further on the east 1738 01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:37,720 side so that it 1739 01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:42,149 isn't so that it is not as visible on the south side of the 1740 01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:43,600 property that we 1741 01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,920 have and I think I heard staff recommend that position 1742 01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:48,119 because it saves more of 1743 01:14:48,119 --> 01:14:54,720 the current trees on the property remember your comes your 1744 01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:55,720 presentation 1745 01:14:55,720 --> 01:15:00,479 right correct the applicant and originally had several 1746 01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:01,119 buildings here but 1747 01:15:01,119 --> 01:15:04,119 needed to go needed to combine them into one to save the 1748 01:15:04,119 --> 01:15:05,560 trees so this design was 1749 01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,130 you've been with landscape plan there's a large cluster of 1750 01:15:08,130 --> 01:15:09,319 trees here so it's 1751 01:15:09,319 --> 01:15:13,899 designed around those trees I also might add the benefit of 1752 01:15:13,899 --> 01:15:15,359 everybody's knowledge 1753 01:15:15,359 --> 01:15:18,329 we do have in our code of residential proximity slope 1754 01:15:18,329 --> 01:15:19,920 requirement for when 1755 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,710 multifamily is next to excuse me single-family and this 1756 01:15:23,710 --> 01:15:24,520 does meet the 1757 01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:29,420 meeting exceeds the requirement for the minimum slope Mr. 1758 01:15:29,420 --> 01:15:31,079 Reiner and follow up 1759 01:15:31,079 --> 01:15:37,060 the plan development and to that west side is single-family 1760 01:15:37,060 --> 01:15:39,039 multiple family are 1761 01:15:39,039 --> 01:15:41,760 you talking about our track on the west side sir it's a NRM 1762 01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,399 you I believe zoning 1763 01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:51,970 as well correct thank you can I just ask for clarification 1764 01:15:51,970 --> 01:15:55,000 purposes are you 1765 01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:01,720 making an objection we are today or are you just seeking 1766 01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:02,920 clarification of some 1767 01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:07,760 of the items that you mentioned my instructions are to 1768 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,840 object to the SUP 1769 01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:14,050 today I'm working with mr. van Zandt on some other 1770 01:16:14,050 --> 01:16:16,000 information and I'm sure that 1771 01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,670 I'll have that as soon this is is approved and I don't know 1772 01:16:18,670 --> 01:16:19,359 if it will be 1773 01:16:19,359 --> 01:16:24,420 or not but right now my instructions are we are not we're 1774 01:16:24,420 --> 01:16:25,840 asking for not 1775 01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,289 approval of this because of issues that adversely we feel 1776 01:16:29,289 --> 01:16:30,640 like adversely affect 1777 01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:34,529 our land which is around it and do you have something from 1778 01:16:34,529 --> 01:16:35,560 the owner just 1779 01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,600 showing your representation or authority to speak or their 1780 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,000 their actual objection 1781 01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:46,159 I believe I furnished when we received the public hearing I 1782 01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:47,199 had the owner's 1783 01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:53,170 sign okay so mr. McCormick is the owner yes okay okay we'll 1784 01:16:53,170 --> 01:16:54,159 have that put into 1785 01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:59,039 the record thank you my pleasure 1786 01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,720 I think there's some more questions on certainly come on 1787 01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,359 Commissioner Rizzo I'm 1788 01:17:05,359 --> 01:17:08,000 not sure who the best person to address this question is 1789 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,079 but you you brought up 1790 01:17:09,079 --> 01:17:13,050 the issue of curb cutting yes and that there might be a 1791 01:17:13,050 --> 01:17:14,479 fear that a curb cut 1792 01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:18,159 would not be permissible based on the the applicants 1793 01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:19,239 construction is that 1794 01:17:19,239 --> 01:17:22,729 correct and this is concerning our land that we have to the 1795 01:17:22,729 --> 01:17:24,359 west of this track 1796 01:17:24,359 --> 01:17:28,050 understood can someone speak to the requirements would that 1797 01:17:28,050 --> 01:17:28,960 be precluded 1798 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,609 given the current curb cutting I'm not sure who could best 1799 01:17:32,609 --> 01:17:34,239 answer that I think 1800 01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:38,119 Earl Escobar can address that question 1801 01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:46,489 the city cannot deny access to a property to a public right 1802 01:17:46,489 --> 01:17:47,119 away so 1803 01:17:47,119 --> 01:17:51,119 whenever this property to the west does develop they will 1804 01:17:51,119 --> 01:17:53,000 be permitted access to 1805 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,890 McKinney Street there is actually a proposed future median 1806 01:17:56,890 --> 01:17:59,039 opening on at the 1807 01:17:59,039 --> 01:18:01,890 intersection of Mack Drive and McKinney Street anyway so 1808 01:18:01,890 --> 01:18:03,279 that the ideal location 1809 01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:05,850 for this curb cut for this property to the west would be at 1810 01:18:05,850 --> 01:18:06,920 that median opening 1811 01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:12,500 lined up with Mack Drive to the north thank you our concern 1812 01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:14,039 on that simply was 1813 01:18:14,039 --> 01:18:19,239 there's more than one access for this land also Woodrow is 1814 01:18:19,239 --> 01:18:20,800 another one and 1815 01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:24,859 that was the concern that we've had with not obviously you 1816 01:18:24,859 --> 01:18:26,159 all but previous 1817 01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:30,640 commissioners and City Council we've had some issues with 1818 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,159 curb cuts on tracks of 1819 01:18:33,159 --> 01:18:37,050 land because there is access elsewhere so the view at least 1820 01:18:37,050 --> 01:18:38,119 at that time I'm 1821 01:18:38,119 --> 01:18:43,140 glad to hear it different that it's quite possible that a 1822 01:18:43,140 --> 01:18:45,560 curb cut could not be 1823 01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,750 allowed on that track because we do have access to move 1824 01:18:48,750 --> 01:18:50,600 traffic elsewhere so I'm 1825 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,560 glad to at least get this on record so that we can be 1826 01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,000 assured to have a curb 1827 01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,750 cut on this track okay well that fit attorneys without fit 1828 01:18:59,750 --> 01:19:01,039 legal counsel's 1829 01:19:01,039 --> 01:19:07,010 view you can put what you like on the record but you're 1830 01:19:07,010 --> 01:19:07,560 still objecting 1831 01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,880 correct even with that information that you just received 1832 01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,760 yes ma'am but that 1833 01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,880 didn't answer my question I'm sorry what was your question 1834 01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,000 does that with the 1835 01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,239 city staff making that comment do you feel that within the 1836 01:19:21,239 --> 01:19:22,239 city's third the 1837 01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:29,649 attorney legal side that a curb cut would not be denied our 1838 01:19:29,649 --> 01:19:31,279 track to the 1839 01:19:31,279 --> 01:19:34,460 West well I don't think that I can make that determination 1840 01:19:34,460 --> 01:19:35,239 here I didn't think 1841 01:19:35,239 --> 01:19:39,399 so either that's why we still object to it okay 1842 01:19:39,399 --> 01:19:42,399 commissioner back yes - thank you 1843 01:19:42,399 --> 01:19:46,600 chair follow-up on Commissioner Donahue which is question 1844 01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,800 the two areas you own 1845 01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,039 to the West and to the South it is your intention to build 1846 01:19:53,039 --> 01:19:54,479 single-family homes 1847 01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:59,659 was that my I find that whenever I make a statement like 1848 01:19:59,659 --> 01:20:00,880 that I've been in real 1849 01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,500 estate for 30 years I usually have to crawfish eat cold 1850 01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:06,079 crow something of that 1851 01:20:06,079 --> 01:20:09,770 magnitude will follow the zoning's that we have and right 1852 01:20:09,770 --> 01:20:11,199 now we're looking at 1853 01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:15,869 doing a residential use to the south primarily and then to 1854 01:20:15,869 --> 01:20:17,800 the west side 1855 01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:21,489 whatever the zoning and the market will let us do okay but 1856 01:20:21,489 --> 01:20:23,279 in residential use 1857 01:20:23,279 --> 01:20:27,439 multi-family single-family we'd love to get whatever we can 1858 01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:28,680 some of the 1859 01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:32,039 developers that we are currently talking to some are doing 1860 01:20:32,039 --> 01:20:33,399 single-family some 1861 01:20:33,399 --> 01:20:37,449 duplex multi-use like that just for the maximum use of the 1862 01:20:37,449 --> 01:20:39,439 land that we have okay 1863 01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:44,989 thank you my pleasure commissioner husband thank you chair 1864 01:20:44,989 --> 01:20:46,119 thank you for 1865 01:20:46,119 --> 01:20:51,829 your input I guess my question kind of is in line there's 1866 01:20:51,829 --> 01:20:53,640 no plans concrete 1867 01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:58,600 plans in place am I hearing that right and there's nothing 1868 01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,199 that you're working 1869 01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:04,199 towards so obviously this projects been in the works for a 1870 01:21:04,199 --> 01:21:06,159 while been up to 1871 01:21:06,159 --> 01:21:10,210 speed at some point early on but there's no plans for your 1872 01:21:10,210 --> 01:21:11,119 the party you 1873 01:21:11,119 --> 01:21:14,699 represent to build anything there's no concrete plans in 1874 01:21:14,699 --> 01:21:15,640 place we have no 1875 01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:25,859 contracts okay and what is your clients thought on there's 1876 01:21:25,859 --> 01:21:28,239 a substation right at 1877 01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:31,939 the back of your property as well and so I find that to be 1878 01:21:31,939 --> 01:21:33,119 harder on the eyes 1879 01:21:33,119 --> 01:21:38,369 than a four-story building that's that's well maintained if 1880 01:21:38,369 --> 01:21:39,699 you will would you 1881 01:21:39,699 --> 01:21:44,100 agree the substations on the extreme east side of the 1882 01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:46,060 property where this is 1883 01:21:46,060 --> 01:21:53,439 more this property is centered closer center to the bulk of 1884 01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:55,119 the land that we 1885 01:21:55,119 --> 01:22:03,819 have to the south of you so I'm sorry do you agree that the 1886 01:22:03,819 --> 01:22:04,720 substation I'm just 1887 01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,399 curious if what your clients position on a substation do 1888 01:22:07,399 --> 01:22:08,560 they agree that that is 1889 01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:12,930 more that's harder on eyes than a maintained building or do 1890 01:22:12,930 --> 01:22:13,720 you disagree I 1891 01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:18,199 can't answer that I don't know I would I would I would like 1892 01:22:18,199 --> 01:22:19,359 to interject 1893 01:22:19,359 --> 01:22:22,520 something about fracking at this point but I won't do that 1894 01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:23,399 either but the 1895 01:22:23,399 --> 01:22:25,800 substation obviously is something different from 1896 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,760 residential's but I can't 1897 01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:32,810 address that fair enough thank you Commissioner Brigham 1898 01:22:32,810 --> 01:22:34,399 thank you chair I 1899 01:22:34,399 --> 01:22:36,789 have quick question for you I don't think I heard you state 1900 01:22:36,789 --> 01:22:37,520 your address for 1901 01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:41,560 the record oh I'm sorry it was 607 South Locust and Denton 1902 01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:43,640 76201 thank you and a 1903 01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:48,739 question for staff and for legal I guess we're tasked with 1904 01:22:48,739 --> 01:22:49,439 making a 1905 01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,630 recommendation on this particular project and I know that 1906 01:22:52,630 --> 01:22:53,199 one of the 1907 01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:57,939 things that we look at in in our final vote is how it will 1908 01:22:57,939 --> 01:22:58,920 affect the 1909 01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:06,319 neighborhood how do how does a future proposal go into it 1910 01:23:06,319 --> 01:23:06,920 because there you 1911 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:10,039 just admitted there were there were no final contracts 1912 01:23:10,039 --> 01:23:11,279 there was nothing you 1913 01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:15,470 are not moving dirt yet to develop anything so I understand 1914 01:23:15,470 --> 01:23:15,920 your your 1915 01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:20,760 clients opposition and concern to a large development like 1916 01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:21,279 this but how 1917 01:23:21,279 --> 01:23:24,130 might that play into our final decision since this isn't an 1918 01:23:24,130 --> 01:23:24,760 established 1919 01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:29,880 neighborhood that were that this project would be affecting 1920 01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:31,760 this is a this is 1921 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,609 somewhere down the line how does that affect you have to 1922 01:23:34,609 --> 01:23:35,520 work with the 1923 01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,149 property adjacent properties as they exist at the time of 1924 01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:39,439 the hearing so it 1925 01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:44,689 can't be a speculative thing that happens later on in the 1926 01:23:44,689 --> 01:23:46,600 future that's my 1927 01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:50,760 understanding as well yes and just to add on to that 1928 01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:52,159 Commissioner Brigham when we 1929 01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:56,050 receive a zoning change request a request for a specific 1930 01:23:56,050 --> 01:23:57,159 use permit we look 1931 01:23:57,159 --> 01:24:00,920 at the surrounding zoning we look at the built-out pattern 1932 01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:01,800 we understand the 1933 01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,689 compatibility of the uses and our analysis as you've seen 1934 01:24:05,689 --> 01:24:06,680 in your report 1935 01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:09,550 addresses the surrounding zoning and land uses it addresses 1936 01:24:09,550 --> 01:24:10,439 the compatibility 1937 01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,890 with surrounding zoning and those land uses but the report 1938 01:24:13,890 --> 01:24:14,760 goes further to 1939 01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:18,979 explain to yourselves and of course the community that the 1940 01:24:18,979 --> 01:24:20,479 analysis also 1941 01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,649 requires assessment of the current development code and in 1942 01:24:23,649 --> 01:24:24,479 this instance 1943 01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,880 Mike Bell also iterated that we have specific multifamily 1944 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:28,680 development 1945 01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,310 requirements and standards such as if you know adjacency to 1946 01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:33,840 residential your 1947 01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,029 sloping requirements of that multifamily unit so that you 1948 01:24:37,029 --> 01:24:37,479 're not 1949 01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:41,029 literally leaning into the backyard of potentially of 1950 01:24:41,029 --> 01:24:42,560 existing residential 1951 01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:46,159 homes or if there is a single-family zoning designation 1952 01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:47,119 what if that builds 1953 01:24:47,119 --> 01:24:50,600 out in that manner so those interests are looked at in the 1954 01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:51,520 term in terms of 1955 01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,840 access and infrastructure those elements are also addressed 1956 01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:55,640 and we address them 1957 01:24:55,640 --> 01:25:01,090 with this site and obviously our DRC manager engineering 1958 01:25:01,090 --> 01:25:01,720 manager has also 1959 01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,960 indicated that we do not deny access to two properties and 1960 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:06,319 there is existing a 1961 01:25:06,319 --> 01:25:10,479 median opening or curb cut excuse me so we look at all 1962 01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:11,520 those parameters and we 1963 01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,010 don't single out the site and just look at the site in a 1964 01:25:14,010 --> 01:25:15,239 vacuum of what's in and 1965 01:25:15,239 --> 01:25:18,090 around the area right that's very helpful thank you very 1966 01:25:18,090 --> 01:25:21,560 much I don't see 1967 01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:27,829 any other questions thank you for your time this is a this 1968 01:25:27,829 --> 01:25:29,000 is a public hearing 1969 01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:38,359 so I'll go ahead and call on Dick Kelsey 1970 01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,819 just a point of order just a second for the record do we 1971 01:25:46,819 --> 01:25:47,720 need to get something 1972 01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:52,550 else from this gentleman about yes actually sir could you 1973 01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:53,199 get with our 1974 01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:56,579 planning staff mr. Mike Bell I don't know if you've met and 1975 01:25:56,579 --> 01:25:58,119 let him know mr. 1976 01:25:58,119 --> 01:26:01,279 McCormick's company name or the name in which he holds his 1977 01:26:01,279 --> 01:26:03,159 property please thank 1978 01:26:03,159 --> 01:26:07,079 you thank you sir please state your name and address thank 1979 01:26:07,079 --> 01:26:07,920 you my name is Dick or 1980 01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:11,369 Richard H. Kelsey I live at 206 Richcrest Circle Denton 1981 01:26:11,369 --> 01:26:13,960 Texas now for last 48 years 1982 01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:17,739 we own the property which is immediately to the north law 1983 01:26:17,739 --> 01:26:18,520 office there's 1984 01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:23,600 approximately four acres in there about 80 percent 85 1985 01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,399 percent we believe of the 1986 01:26:25,399 --> 01:26:29,100 traffic that comes to see us comes from Denton downtown to 1987 01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:30,479 our property and turns 1988 01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:36,510 left into our parking lot if we cannot get some relief on 1989 01:26:36,510 --> 01:26:39,119 the proposed raised 1990 01:26:39,119 --> 01:26:43,479 median problem then people who are trying to come to our 1991 01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:44,880 property will have 1992 01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,750 to go almost an entire mile before there's a place to turn 1993 01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:48,720 around that's on 1994 01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:53,260 other than private property what what I'm addressed is I'm 1995 01:26:53,260 --> 01:26:54,460 in favor of the 1996 01:26:54,460 --> 01:26:57,409 project I think it's a great project something the city 1997 01:26:57,409 --> 01:26:59,159 needs it's been well 1998 01:26:59,159 --> 01:27:01,520 planned we did go to the neighborhood meeting and I was 1999 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:02,899 pleased with what we 2000 01:27:02,899 --> 01:27:07,739 heard but they're going to turn loose somewhere around 300 2001 01:27:07,739 --> 01:27:09,600 or to 600 cars and 2002 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,649 there is no way out of this to turn left into town there is 2003 01:27:13,649 --> 01:27:15,680 no light there is no 2004 01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,810 double lane there's no center lane to turn left you cannot 2005 01:27:18,810 --> 01:27:19,720 get out of this 2006 01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:23,039 property at 8 o'clock in the morning the traffic is already 2007 01:27:23,039 --> 01:27:24,079 backed up past the 2008 01:27:24,079 --> 01:27:27,430 fountain apartments on our East and you can't the people 2009 01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:28,640 cannot get out of Mack 2010 01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:34,649 Drive I can't get into our office property it's a mess and 2011 01:27:34,649 --> 01:27:36,319 what we would 2012 01:27:36,319 --> 01:27:38,680 like to ask you to do and I know this may not be 2013 01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:40,279 appropriate I don't know if 2014 01:27:40,279 --> 01:27:43,659 it is or not but if you could make some kind of notation we 2015 01:27:43,659 --> 01:27:45,039 would love to have 2016 01:27:45,039 --> 01:27:49,529 the two lanes put in east and west I mean would be fine and 2017 01:27:49,529 --> 01:27:50,800 we would like to 2018 01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:56,449 have a non raised median because if you could have the 2019 01:27:56,449 --> 01:27:59,079 yellow marked median like 2020 01:27:59,079 --> 01:28:02,800 we have on Dallas Drive seems to work well all of these 2021 01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,199 properties front on 2022 01:28:04,199 --> 01:28:07,289 McKinney and there are no backstreets there is no way to 2023 01:28:07,289 --> 01:28:08,279 get to any of these 2024 01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:13,029 properties without coming off of Mack Drive so if you look 2025 01:28:13,029 --> 01:28:15,439 at the actual if 2026 01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,899 we could pull up and I don't know how to do this sorry I'm 2027 01:28:17,899 --> 01:28:18,880 not very technical 2028 01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:23,159 staff will help you thank you want to see the over yes 2029 01:28:23,159 --> 01:28:24,840 there you can see where 2030 01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:29,239 the law office is the open area which is on the oh is our 2031 01:28:29,239 --> 01:28:31,760 parking lot if you can 2032 01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,989 see to the northeast corner of this property that and it's 2033 01:28:34,989 --> 01:28:35,960 across from the 2034 01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:39,069 fountain apartments that is the only access to this piece 2035 01:28:39,069 --> 01:28:40,159 of property and 2036 01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:44,159 there is not planned to be a light there how are these 2037 01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:46,159 colors going to get out of 2038 01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:50,810 there going to them and there will be a lot of them and if 2039 01:28:50,810 --> 01:28:52,560 you go right which 2040 01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,800 you can do if you think about you know that area you can't 2041 01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:56,960 get back to Denton 2042 01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,069 without going extremely up to north which would be Audre 2043 01:29:00,069 --> 01:29:01,159 line wandering your 2044 01:29:01,159 --> 01:29:04,760 way back that way or extremely south down to Spencer Road 2045 01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:05,640 and then that area 2046 01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:10,079 is an extremely difficult problem and what we would like to 2047 01:29:10,079 --> 01:29:11,159 have you do is 2048 01:29:11,159 --> 01:29:14,109 make the notation on this that that is a problem and do 2049 01:29:14,109 --> 01:29:16,039 what you can I know that 2050 01:29:16,039 --> 01:29:19,119 this is a state highway I know that there's a limited 2051 01:29:19,119 --> 01:29:20,000 amount of input the 2052 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,890 city can have on a state highway however it's been my 2053 01:29:23,890 --> 01:29:27,199 experience before that when 2054 01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:31,640 you have something like this that you can get fairly good 2055 01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:33,680 cooperation because 2056 01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:38,239 we've got raised mediums all over town they create problems 2057 01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:39,319 number one the 2058 01:29:39,319 --> 01:29:42,840 maintenance issues the cost issue they plant them and they 2059 01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:44,039 die they plant them 2060 01:29:44,039 --> 01:29:47,289 and they die if you go down on Teasley you can look at the 2061 01:29:47,289 --> 01:29:48,840 stumps where they've 2062 01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,289 all been planted and now cut off it's a very big expense to 2063 01:29:52,289 --> 01:29:53,359 the city to build 2064 01:29:53,359 --> 01:29:58,649 and to maintain those raised those raised mediums so rather 2065 01:29:58,649 --> 01:30:00,319 than I understand you 2066 01:30:00,319 --> 01:30:02,840 can't just put a curb cut because we want a curb cut I 2067 01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:04,239 understand that but if 2068 01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:07,569 we had the center lane which was like doubt designed like 2069 01:30:07,569 --> 01:30:08,800 Dallas Drive where 2070 01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:13,529 you could mark your left turn areas that would solve almost 2071 01:30:13,529 --> 01:30:14,760 all of the problems 2072 01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:17,840 of all of the properties that are fronting on McKinney so 2073 01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:19,000 this is a major 2074 01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:22,090 problem I would ask you to address it if you can't address 2075 01:30:22,090 --> 01:30:23,279 it here if nothing 2076 01:30:23,279 --> 01:30:26,930 else at least make some kind of notation I have talked to 2077 01:30:26,930 --> 01:30:28,399 traffic for the city 2078 01:30:28,399 --> 01:30:31,850 we get a kind of attitude well there's nothing we can do 2079 01:30:31,850 --> 01:30:33,159 well that's what I was 2080 01:30:33,159 --> 01:30:35,300 going to point to you I think we have a gentleman here if 2081 01:30:35,300 --> 01:30:36,239 he'll raise his hand 2082 01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:40,199 mr. Earl Escobar yes and I believe Earl can get with you if 2083 01:30:40,199 --> 01:30:40,760 you'd like to get 2084 01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,119 with him obviously you've presented that he's here with the 2085 01:30:43,119 --> 01:30:43,920 city to hopefully 2086 01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,859 address your concern on the curb cut or the yellow striping 2087 01:30:46,859 --> 01:30:47,800 and that would be a 2088 01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,890 great point of contact for you on that item thank you very 2089 01:30:50,890 --> 01:30:51,680 much he was courteous 2090 01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,500 enough to call me back we have had a discussion great but 2091 01:30:54,500 --> 01:30:55,560 his basic attitude 2092 01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,380 is there's nothing I can do it's a text-up road I think it 2093 01:30:58,380 --> 01:30:59,119 's a text-up road 2094 01:30:59,119 --> 01:31:02,380 well I know from other experiences in town that there can 2095 01:31:02,380 --> 01:31:03,279 be input from the 2096 01:31:03,279 --> 01:31:07,229 city so you can't I'd ask the city not just ignore this 2097 01:31:07,229 --> 01:31:08,520 problem because if you 2098 01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,369 put those raised medians in that's going to be a continuous 2099 01:31:11,369 --> 01:31:12,560 problem whereas if 2100 01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,880 you put the painted medians in problem goes away and the 2101 01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:18,359 cost factor would be 2102 01:31:18,359 --> 01:31:23,319 much less thank you for your patience thank you sir 2103 01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:41,350 thank you chair I have a question of Earl please yes yes it 2104 01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:42,640 was stated that 2105 01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,569 you mentioned that there's nothing the city can do in what 2106 01:31:45,569 --> 01:31:46,800 reference was that 2107 01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:52,770 made and why I don't believe I said that there's nothing we 2108 01:31:52,770 --> 01:31:53,359 can do I just 2109 01:31:53,359 --> 01:31:57,250 informed him that is a text out right away okay the text 2110 01:31:57,250 --> 01:31:58,319 dot already has a 2111 01:31:58,319 --> 01:32:03,460 design for that road and it does show a median design and 2112 01:32:03,460 --> 01:32:04,680 so it's also my 2113 01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:08,649 understanding that you have conversations with text dot and 2114 01:32:08,649 --> 01:32:09,319 that you 2115 01:32:09,319 --> 01:32:12,770 with all people within the department are most noted to 2116 01:32:12,770 --> 01:32:14,039 have more discussions 2117 01:32:14,039 --> 01:32:19,810 and with text and other city staff members the city has a I 2118 01:32:19,810 --> 01:32:20,560 guess you can 2119 01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:25,039 call him a liaison and represents his gentleman's name is 2120 01:32:25,039 --> 01:32:28,279 John Polster okay and 2121 01:32:28,279 --> 01:32:33,239 so have you directed any anybody to him at all on this 2122 01:32:33,239 --> 01:32:36,560 issue I wasn't aware that 2123 01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:40,880 the citizen wanted to pursue a stripe I guess a continuous 2124 01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:42,239 left turn light is 2125 01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:46,130 what he's referring to versus a medium design not to put 2126 01:32:46,130 --> 01:32:47,399 you on the spot but 2127 01:32:47,399 --> 01:32:50,189 sure is this Commission has been been sitting through a 2128 01:32:50,189 --> 01:32:51,000 number of these 2129 01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:54,479 situations if we get thrown up against text odd issues 2130 01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:57,960 Teece Lee and Geyer High School and a number of other major 2131 01:32:57,960 --> 01:32:59,760 arterials and it's 2132 01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,369 become a constant problem and I've been very vocal about 2133 01:33:02,369 --> 01:33:03,439 trying to get someone 2134 01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:08,229 from the city to address us on the issues of the liaison 2135 01:33:08,229 --> 01:33:10,000 situation and what 2136 01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:13,399 we can do in certain circumstances and how we can escalate 2137 01:33:13,399 --> 01:33:14,319 issues that our 2138 01:33:14,319 --> 01:33:17,770 citizens bring to us where it goes it's a text on it's a 2139 01:33:17,770 --> 01:33:19,039 county's County Road 2140 01:33:19,039 --> 01:33:22,119 and these these issues are going to come up more and more 2141 01:33:22,119 --> 01:33:24,119 as we expand and there 2142 01:33:24,119 --> 01:33:26,739 are some other other things going on that have always come 2143 01:33:26,739 --> 01:33:27,760 up against this so 2144 01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,880 that's why I'm asking him put it on the record and there's 2145 01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:31,840 there's also talks 2146 01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:37,069 about the city possibly taking ownership and responsibility 2147 01:33:37,069 --> 01:33:38,720 for for McKinney 2148 01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:43,460 Street anyway from Woodrow to the east side of town or just 2149 01:33:43,460 --> 01:33:44,159 east of Ryan Road 2150 01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:47,279 Ryan High School and what's the I don't know what the 2151 01:33:47,279 --> 01:33:50,520 status is on that I think 2152 01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:54,970 it's could you find out and report back to us please thank 2153 01:33:54,970 --> 01:33:56,000 you 2154 01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:02,220 information to mr. Kelsey so they'll have another point of 2155 01:34:02,220 --> 01:34:03,600 contact right if 2156 01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:07,920 you'll take a look going east where we would have to where 2157 01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:09,319 people would have to 2158 01:34:09,319 --> 01:34:12,399 come all the way past this law office you can see there is 2159 01:34:12,399 --> 01:34:13,279 no place to turn 2160 01:34:13,279 --> 01:34:16,680 around it's not on private property unless you get into the 2161 01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:17,560 back streets and 2162 01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,869 then you'd have to get in front of us driveway or do a 2163 01:34:20,869 --> 01:34:22,199 circular turn at an 2164 01:34:22,199 --> 01:34:25,390 intersection none of which is a good idea thank you very 2165 01:34:25,390 --> 01:34:26,520 much thank you for 2166 01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:32,920 your input I'm sorry mr. Commissioner Hudson apologize 2167 01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:34,720 thank you mr. Kelsey so 2168 01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:41,119 I have a question I think and then but you first what are 2169 01:34:41,119 --> 01:34:42,479 your thoughts just as 2170 01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:47,079 a as a stopgap Matt Park is there to the right so assuming 2171 01:34:47,079 --> 01:34:48,199 I'm coming from Luke 2172 01:34:48,199 --> 01:34:52,000 288 trying to find your law firm and I see it I miss it 2173 01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,079 that is a perfect you 2174 01:34:54,079 --> 01:34:57,369 turn if you will because it's a straight shot I turn in 2175 01:34:57,369 --> 01:34:58,600 turn left and I can turn 2176 01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:02,130 out of there get back on the road and then make a left turn 2177 01:35:02,130 --> 01:35:03,359 into your law firm 2178 01:35:03,359 --> 01:35:09,340 and if I miss it going the other way then there's an 2179 01:35:09,340 --> 01:35:10,840 opportunity at the signal 2180 01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:14,539 light which is a few blocks down as a as a stopgap but my 2181 01:35:14,539 --> 01:35:16,920 question to I guess for 2182 01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:21,880 Earl or staff is when we say text on are we talking about 2183 01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:24,359 the future road that's 2184 01:35:24,359 --> 01:35:30,350 2018 ish and if so what is the what's what bridges the gap 2185 01:35:30,350 --> 01:35:32,279 between now and 2186 01:35:32,279 --> 01:35:36,630 then what's going to be there or is the city going to put a 2187 01:35:36,630 --> 01:35:38,880 fixture in until 2188 01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:42,279 Texan expands the highway may I respond to that 2189 01:35:42,279 --> 01:35:44,720 Commissioner husband yes sir if 2190 01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:48,229 you'll look it's actually double yellow all the way from 2191 01:35:48,229 --> 01:35:49,600 the light double yellow 2192 01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:53,500 line that is don't cross over it all the way from the light 2193 01:35:53,500 --> 01:35:55,039 all the way down past 2194 01:35:55,039 --> 01:35:59,449 us passed before Mack Park and so all these businesses that 2195 01:35:59,449 --> 01:36:00,359 you see on the 2196 01:36:00,359 --> 01:36:04,539 corner there where the light is on Audra and Woodrow yes 2197 01:36:04,539 --> 01:36:05,800 sir if you go east that 2198 01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:09,850 is all a double yellow line and people pull into those 2199 01:36:09,850 --> 01:36:11,439 businesses over the 2200 01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:14,659 double yellow lines right now okay just but people are 2201 01:36:14,659 --> 01:36:16,239 patient they just drive 2202 01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:18,489 around them on the right I mean people are very nice and 2203 01:36:18,489 --> 01:36:19,720 very courteous but 2204 01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:22,800 right now if you're trying to get out of Mack Park to go to 2205 01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:24,039 work either right or 2206 01:36:24,039 --> 01:36:28,000 left if the if the courteous drivers don't give you a gap 2207 01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:29,079 you cannot get out 2208 01:36:29,079 --> 01:36:36,720 of there thank you very much thank you okay this is a 2209 01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:39,000 public hearing well do 2210 01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:43,239 you follow up yes well no I didn't get a I was curious if 2211 01:36:43,239 --> 01:36:46,680 the tech stop curb 2212 01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:51,310 we're discussing is at a later date who's responsible for 2213 01:36:51,310 --> 01:36:52,520 the cut the turns 2214 01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:58,020 that will be affecting this property is my question I think 2215 01:36:58,020 --> 01:36:59,479 to answer your 2216 01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:02,329 question I think at this particular time there's there's 2217 01:37:02,329 --> 01:37:03,600 nothing for text I 2218 01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:07,189 believe in our presentation part of the improvements are is 2219 01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:08,199 for there to be a 2220 01:37:08,199 --> 01:37:11,359 left turn in line and then also a right turn in line that 2221 01:37:11,359 --> 01:37:12,319 are part of the 2222 01:37:12,319 --> 01:37:14,739 improvements for this particular project that were 2223 01:37:14,739 --> 01:37:15,560 presented in the 2224 01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:20,180 presentation if I'm if I'm incorrect please correct me on 2225 01:37:20,180 --> 01:37:21,960 that that's correct 2226 01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:23,920 the left turn lane and right turn lane will be built by the 2227 01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:25,479 applicant at this 2228 01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:29,520 time whenever they construct the apartment built being curb 2229 01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:31,079 or painted I 2230 01:37:31,079 --> 01:37:34,479 mean because that's the issue right if are they gonna put 2231 01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:36,359 in a curb no I think 2232 01:37:36,359 --> 01:37:41,359 at this point it'll be a temporary guy that's what I thank 2233 01:37:41,359 --> 01:37:43,880 you sure 2234 01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:51,239 Commissioner back yes Mike when you say the applicants 2235 01:37:51,239 --> 01:37:52,960 gonna create this left 2236 01:37:52,960 --> 01:38:00,119 turn they actually doing are they paying the city to do 2237 01:38:00,119 --> 01:38:04,359 that that development 2238 01:38:04,359 --> 01:38:07,630 loop will be responsible for the financial for the 2239 01:38:07,630 --> 01:38:09,079 financial but the city 2240 01:38:09,079 --> 01:38:11,930 will actually be doing the work no no they'll hire a 2241 01:38:11,930 --> 01:38:13,279 contractor okay work 2242 01:38:13,279 --> 01:38:16,449 okay so they'll be financially responsible to put in both 2243 01:38:16,449 --> 01:38:17,199 the left turn 2244 01:38:17,199 --> 01:38:19,810 and the right turn lines to serve their development okay 2245 01:38:19,810 --> 01:38:20,479 that kind of negates 2246 01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:27,279 my second part so thanks I don't see any other requests for 2247 01:38:27,279 --> 01:38:28,319 this particular 2248 01:38:28,319 --> 01:38:33,050 yellow card so we will move forward again this is a public 2249 01:38:33,050 --> 01:38:34,000 hearing if 2250 01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,350 there's anyone that would like to speak please fill out a 2251 01:38:36,350 --> 01:38:37,279 yellow card and come 2252 01:38:37,279 --> 01:38:44,560 down we have next Yolanda Vela at 2201 Geneva Circle and 2253 01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:48,359 she is in support yes 2254 01:38:48,359 --> 01:38:56,520 please come down and as you approach the mic if you'll give 2255 01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:57,199 us your name and 2256 01:38:57,199 --> 01:39:00,119 address and your comments and you'll have three minutes 2257 01:39:00,119 --> 01:39:01,399 thank you thank you 2258 01:39:01,399 --> 01:39:05,319 my name is Yolanda Vela Voral I reside at 2201 Geneva 2259 01:39:05,319 --> 01:39:06,680 Circle in Denton Texas 2260 01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:13,640 Mr. Chairman Commissioners I'm here representing the Vela 2261 01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:14,520 family we're very 2262 01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:19,550 excited about this project and you've heard the 2263 01:39:19,550 --> 01:39:23,159 presentation from NRP I'd like 2264 01:39:23,159 --> 01:39:25,460 to add a couple of things we've heard a lot about traffic 2265 01:39:25,460 --> 01:39:26,319 tonight I was kind of 2266 01:39:26,319 --> 01:39:29,260 curious myself and so I contacted the director of 2267 01:39:29,260 --> 01:39:30,600 transportation had a 2268 01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:36,569 little conversation with him he did say that TechStop has 2269 01:39:36,569 --> 01:39:37,760 this on schedule 2270 01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:42,399 McKinney widening for 2019 but he also stated that the city 2271 01:39:42,399 --> 01:39:43,399 was in fact in 2272 01:39:43,399 --> 01:39:47,130 negotiations and exploring the possibility of taking this 2273 01:39:47,130 --> 01:39:47,960 widening on 2274 01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:51,850 themselves for several reasons I can assume that's the need 2275 01:39:51,850 --> 01:39:52,699 of her sidewalk 2276 01:39:52,699 --> 01:39:55,609 and because we have schools and down that road I do 2277 01:39:55,609 --> 01:39:57,319 understand that the city 2278 01:39:57,319 --> 01:39:59,390 will have to take on the maintenance at that time but I 2279 01:39:59,390 --> 01:40:00,520 think it's much needed in 2280 01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:08,399 this area I do understand the issues that mr. Kelso has it 2281 01:40:08,399 --> 01:40:09,199 is a dangerous road 2282 01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:12,560 to drive I drive it frequently but I'm hoping that the city 2283 01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:13,600 will take this on 2284 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:17,050 and I hope that you guys will support them in that decision 2285 01:40:17,050 --> 01:40:19,920 I also have a lot 2286 01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:23,560 of experience in presenting projects to the city and this 2287 01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:24,760 is an infill lot and 2288 01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,850 there's good reason why we develop infill lots and that's 2289 01:40:27,850 --> 01:40:30,199 for revenue I have 2290 01:40:30,199 --> 01:40:33,840 not kept up with any of the tax incentives that may benefit 2291 01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:34,760 this project 2292 01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:38,720 but I need to know for a fact that the ad valerian taxes 2293 01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:40,279 will be more than they 2294 01:40:40,279 --> 01:40:43,829 are now for a vacant piece of property I also know that the 2295 01:40:43,829 --> 01:40:45,039 city will benefit 2296 01:40:45,039 --> 01:40:49,039 from the revenues of this project DME water and wastewater 2297 01:40:49,039 --> 01:40:50,359 solid waste and 2298 01:40:50,359 --> 01:40:55,119 parks parks will gain some development funds for parks and 2299 01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:57,319 parks amenities that 2300 01:40:57,319 --> 01:41:02,590 are much needed in that area these are just a few of the 2301 01:41:02,590 --> 01:41:04,119 things on the list 2302 01:41:04,119 --> 01:41:07,069 that I've heard over the presentation tonight and I wanted 2303 01:41:07,069 --> 01:41:08,239 to add to that we 2304 01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:11,960 would as a family like to join NRP and asking you to 2305 01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:15,640 support this SUP we do feel 2306 01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:19,970 that it meets the spirit and the codes the DDC and we would 2307 01:41:19,970 --> 01:41:21,479 ask for your support 2308 01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:26,229 and lastly I would really like to thank all of you for your 2309 01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:28,039 time and effort in 2310 01:41:28,039 --> 01:41:36,840 our community thank you thank you for your comments we have 2311 01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:38,880 another card Lance 2312 01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:46,930 and Vans and 512 West Hickory in support thank you mr. 2313 01:41:46,930 --> 01:41:48,239 chairman just if I could 2314 01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:50,310 just briefly speak to a couple of points that were brought 2315 01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:51,319 up in the opposition 2316 01:41:51,319 --> 01:41:55,479 the first the first item that the adjacent owner had an 2317 01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:56,680 issue with were 2318 01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:58,739 the number of units and I'll just point out in that and I 2319 01:41:58,739 --> 01:41:59,560 'll try not to be too 2320 01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:01,420 repetitive I think some of these questions have been 2321 01:42:01,420 --> 01:42:02,840 answered but within 2322 01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:05,310 the within your staff report you'll see that this was that 2323 01:42:05,310 --> 01:42:06,199 the number of units 2324 01:42:06,199 --> 01:42:09,449 we have was well within range of the moderate residential 2325 01:42:09,449 --> 01:42:10,399 as indicated on 2326 01:42:10,399 --> 01:42:14,739 your future land use map regarding the curb cut we 2327 01:42:14,739 --> 01:42:16,640 obviously positioned our 2328 01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:19,579 curb cuts in a way as you saw from the site development 2329 01:42:19,579 --> 01:42:21,000 that would maximize the 2330 01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,850 number of trees we could save and just simply to be in 2331 01:42:23,850 --> 01:42:24,960 compliance with with 2332 01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:28,449 curb cuts there on to onto state highways this doesn't prec 2333 01:42:28,449 --> 01:42:29,439 lude any the 2334 01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:31,770 adjacent owner or any other adjacent owner from accessing 2335 01:42:31,770 --> 01:42:32,560 their property in 2336 01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:35,760 the future but I think as Commissioner Hudson and 2337 01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,159 Commissioner Brighill pointed 2338 01:42:37,159 --> 01:42:40,350 out any development that might occur on that property is 2339 01:42:40,350 --> 01:42:41,720 purely speculative and 2340 01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,689 we have before you tonight and an application that is in 2341 01:42:44,689 --> 01:42:45,239 full compliance 2342 01:42:45,239 --> 01:42:48,710 with the spirit and intent of your of your of the Denton 2343 01:42:48,710 --> 01:42:49,960 code and of your of 2344 01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:52,880 your development code we haven't asked for any variances 2345 01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:54,279 and we are not asking 2346 01:42:54,279 --> 01:42:57,029 for anything inconsistent with staff recommendations we're 2347 01:42:57,029 --> 01:42:57,880 willing to comply 2348 01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:00,729 with all the conditions requested by staff in their report 2349 01:43:00,729 --> 01:43:01,479 thank you very 2350 01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:08,439 much thank you again this is a public hearing there's 2351 01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:09,319 anyone else that would 2352 01:43:09,319 --> 01:43:13,520 like to speak please come down at this time 2353 01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:17,420 while we're waiting if anyone else would like to speak we 2354 01:43:17,420 --> 01:43:18,960 have some other letters 2355 01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:21,039 of support I want to just acknowledge those and read those 2356 01:43:21,039 --> 01:43:21,600 as part of the 2357 01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,829 record we have one letter of support from the Denton 2358 01:43:24,829 --> 01:43:25,399 Independent School 2359 01:43:25,399 --> 01:43:30,630 District from dr. Jamie Wilson a day in October excuse me 2360 01:43:30,630 --> 01:43:31,800 August the 12th in 2361 01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:39,140 support we have also from Denton County MHMR Center Pam Gut 2362 01:43:39,140 --> 01:43:41,199 ierrez letter stated 2363 01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:46,310 June 16th in support we have a third letter from friends of 2364 01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:47,720 the family dated 2365 01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:52,800 June the 3rd from Tony Johnson Simpson that is a letter of 2366 01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:54,640 support and we have 2367 01:43:54,640 --> 01:44:04,100 another letter from in support this is from Gary Henderson 2368 01:44:04,100 --> 01:44:05,640 of the United Way 2369 01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:11,239 dated May the 29th again this is a public hearing if there 2370 01:44:11,239 --> 01:44:11,840 's anyone else 2371 01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:16,310 that would like to speak please come down at this time with 2372 01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:17,439 a yellow card 2373 01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:21,909 I'm not seeing any additional requests to speak at this 2374 01:44:21,909 --> 01:44:23,199 time we're going to 2375 01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:29,399 close I'm sorry we have one other Commissioner Briegel no 2376 01:44:29,399 --> 01:44:30,520 please go ahead 2377 01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:35,409 and continue I'll wait for you to finish okay this is a 2378 01:44:35,409 --> 01:44:36,680 point of order I want to 2379 01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:39,789 confirm we're going to close the public hearing at this 2380 01:44:39,789 --> 01:44:42,039 time yep we're going to 2381 01:44:42,039 --> 01:44:46,399 close the public hearing at this time and due to some of 2382 01:44:46,399 --> 01:44:47,960 the letters that have 2383 01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:52,250 come in since this was originally before our meeting we're 2384 01:44:52,250 --> 01:44:53,159 going to need to take 2385 01:44:53,159 --> 01:45:00,000 a short recess 10 minutes 15 10 to 15 minutes max to do 2386 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,520 some recalculations to 2387 01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:05,409 see how much opposition we have on this project so at 730 2388 01:45:05,409 --> 01:45:07,359 we are going to take a 2389 01:45:07,359 --> 01:45:11,079 short 10 to 15 me that minute recess and then we will recon 2390 01:45:11,079 --> 01:45:12,359 vene in these chambers 2391 01:45:12,359 --> 01:45:14,880 thank you 2392 01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:37,710 good evening we're back from our recess it is 745 and I'm 2393 01:45:37,710 --> 01:45:39,640 going to call on staff 2394 01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:43,310 to to give us their new calculations on opposition I'm 2395 01:45:43,310 --> 01:45:44,439 going to ask all 2396 01:45:44,439 --> 01:45:49,779 commissioners to make sure your mics are back on thank you 2397 01:45:49,779 --> 01:45:52,000 chair since we have 2398 01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:55,920 determined on break that mr. McCormick does own the 2399 01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:57,560 property to the west and 2400 01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:02,180 the south the amount of area that falls within the 200 foot 2401 01:46:02,180 --> 01:46:03,279 buffer for the 2402 01:46:03,279 --> 01:46:06,829 purposes of chapter 211 of the Texas Local Government Code 2403 01:46:06,829 --> 01:46:07,960 has exceeded 20 2404 01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:11,289 percent in its objection which means that that does call 2405 01:46:11,289 --> 01:46:11,939 for a super 2406 01:46:11,939 --> 01:46:15,020 majority vote and since we are missing a member tonight 2407 01:46:15,020 --> 01:46:16,199 that means all of the 2408 01:46:16,199 --> 01:46:21,159 people present would have to vote in favor for this SUP to 2409 01:46:21,159 --> 01:46:22,840 pass 2410 01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:32,420 Commissioner Bruegel thank you chair I am very excited 2411 01:46:32,420 --> 01:46:36,680 about this project for a 2412 01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:40,210 number of reasons first I would like to talk about the the 2413 01:46:40,210 --> 01:46:41,720 traffic concerns that 2414 01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:44,369 were brought up they're valid concerns but I would like to 2415 01:46:44,369 --> 01:46:45,000 remind this 2416 01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:50,500 Commission that we often approve developments along Teasley 2417 01:46:50,500 --> 01:46:51,840 even though we 2418 01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:51,840 have many traffic concerns along that road it also is a 2419 01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:56,319 text dot road where 2420 01:46:56,319 --> 01:46:58,710 uncertain when construction is going to begin and so I 2421 01:46:58,710 --> 01:47:00,079 would hope that we would 2422 01:47:00,079 --> 01:47:05,180 not single out affordable housing because of a traffic 2423 01:47:05,180 --> 01:47:06,359 concern whereas we 2424 01:47:06,359 --> 01:47:14,430 we regularly approve large housing projects along in a more 2425 01:47:14,430 --> 01:47:15,760 affluent part 2426 01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:18,180 of town so I just would like to put that out to the 2427 01:47:18,180 --> 01:47:20,000 Commission I think this 2428 01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:22,670 development does meet the requirements of the Denton 2429 01:47:22,670 --> 01:47:24,119 development code fact it 2430 01:47:24,119 --> 01:47:28,579 exceeds them in many ways though I am I will say I'm heart 2431 01:47:28,579 --> 01:47:30,199 broken to see the loss 2432 01:47:30,199 --> 01:47:33,680 of so many trees I am encouraged by the number of trees 2433 01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:36,119 that were saved in this 2434 01:47:36,119 --> 01:47:40,020 project you saved more than than we require you to in 2435 01:47:40,020 --> 01:47:42,199 addition planting many 2436 01:47:42,199 --> 01:47:46,090 trees along the perimeter of the property and in the 2437 01:47:46,090 --> 01:47:48,880 parking lots and it's it's 2438 01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:53,890 very promising so I'm very excited about that it is a it's 2439 01:47:53,890 --> 01:47:55,439 a good project 2440 01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:58,760 Commissioner Hudspeth and I served together on the 2441 01:47:58,760 --> 01:47:59,880 Community Development 2442 01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:01,869 Advisory Board for a couple of years in fact I think 2443 01:48:01,869 --> 01:48:03,039 Commissioner Hudspeth you 2444 01:48:03,039 --> 01:48:08,050 chaired it for a while I'm not correct yeah and and when we 2445 01:48:08,050 --> 01:48:08,800 go to these public 2446 01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:13,359 hearings prior to when we meet to determine how to allocate 2447 01:48:13,359 --> 01:48:13,800 these these 2448 01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:18,170 federal block grant dollars the number one concern we 2449 01:48:18,170 --> 01:48:20,399 always hear always is 2450 01:48:20,399 --> 01:48:24,199 affordable housing affordable housing and we there's 2451 01:48:24,199 --> 01:48:25,760 clearly a need in this 2452 01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:29,689 community this addresses this need it's just a drop in the 2453 01:48:29,689 --> 01:48:30,479 bucket I understand 2454 01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:33,560 that there are thousands more that are in need but it is a 2455 01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:34,600 step in the right 2456 01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:40,229 direction I'm in favor of this project and I would like to 2457 01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:41,279 make a motion to 2458 01:48:41,279 --> 01:48:46,039 approve it with the staff recommendations as listed in our 2459 01:48:46,039 --> 01:48:48,439 backup 2460 01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:54,880 Commissioner Dunwoody's I too would like to support this 2461 01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:57,680 this motion and and that 2462 01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:01,739 since we have to have a super majority that I find the 2463 01:49:01,739 --> 01:49:03,399 opposition has very 2464 01:49:03,399 --> 01:49:07,130 little little merit in with regard to what what we're 2465 01:49:07,130 --> 01:49:08,760 looking at here so I 2466 01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:14,800 second the motion I have a first and a second Commissioner 2467 01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:16,279 Rozelle thank you 2468 01:49:16,279 --> 01:49:20,760 chair I too echo the the excitement for this project I'm in 2469 01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:21,920 favor of it and and 2470 01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:25,409 sure hope that it passes tonight what I wanted to just go 2471 01:49:25,409 --> 01:49:27,199 on record stating as 2472 01:49:27,199 --> 01:49:32,380 the council looks to approve this as well is whether or not 2473 01:49:32,380 --> 01:49:33,899 it's it's noted 2474 01:49:33,899 --> 01:49:36,460 or acknowledged there's a measurable homeless community 2475 01:49:36,460 --> 01:49:38,359 that currently resides 2476 01:49:38,359 --> 01:49:41,189 in that property even if on Google Maps you can kind of see 2477 01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:42,239 the trails that the 2478 01:49:42,239 --> 01:49:45,319 homeless community has built in those woods and their makes 2479 01:49:45,319 --> 01:49:46,560 hift houses and so 2480 01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:50,720 as we look to displace those individuals I just urge the 2481 01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:51,920 city to take note of 2482 01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:55,170 that that there is a plan in place for the taking care of 2483 01:49:55,170 --> 01:49:56,640 those individuals as 2484 01:49:56,640 --> 01:50:00,020 as they're not already displaced enough they're going to be 2485 01:50:00,020 --> 01:50:01,239 further displaced 2486 01:50:01,239 --> 01:50:04,930 with this and so I just hope that there is plans in place 2487 01:50:04,930 --> 01:50:06,079 to address that 2488 01:50:06,079 --> 01:50:08,920 concern going forward 2489 01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:15,090 okay we have a first and a second we have any other 2490 01:50:15,090 --> 01:50:20,359 discussion just for a 2491 01:50:20,359 --> 01:50:22,970 point of order and clarification do you have all four of 2492 01:50:22,970 --> 01:50:24,680 the conditions yes what 2493 01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:28,920 you would like we have a first and second no more 2494 01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:30,000 discussion I'll call for 2495 01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:32,680 a vote on the board 2496 01:50:36,079 --> 01:50:55,760 the motion carries six zero that will move us to our item 2497 01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:57,600 number four we have 2498 01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:01,720 our planning and zoning Commission project matrix or future 2499 01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:01,760 that it's 2500 01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:07,729 purely for reference and if the Commission wishes to add 2501 01:51:07,729 --> 01:51:08,760 complement or 2502 01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:13,779 delete any items we can do that with the future agenda 2503 01:51:13,779 --> 01:51:16,079 items that's fine with 2504 01:51:16,079 --> 01:51:22,279 chair we will then move on to item number five concluding 2505 01:51:22,279 --> 01:51:26,140 items Commissioner 2506 01:51:26,140 --> 01:51:28,500 Bruegel thank you chair I was just wondering if we could 2507 01:51:28,500 --> 01:51:29,279 get an update from 2508 01:51:29,279 --> 01:51:33,439 staff about our upcoming meeting for the mobility the 2509 01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:36,000 mobility plan thank you 2510 01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:40,199 Commissioner Bruegel we anticipate the agenda and 2511 01:51:40,199 --> 01:51:44,560 associated reports with the 2512 01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:47,930 mobility plan discussion that we had from last week we 2513 01:51:47,930 --> 01:51:49,159 anticipate to have 2514 01:51:49,159 --> 01:51:52,439 the meeting on November the 11th tentative start date time 2515 01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:53,640 at 530 p.m. 2516 01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:57,899 and as soon as we have the packet ready we will make sure 2517 01:51:57,899 --> 01:51:59,760 that everybody gets it 2518 01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:06,760 I'm sorry what was that date November 11th tentatively for 2519 01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:09,199 530 p.m. 2520 01:52:16,199 --> 01:52:27,640 anyone else if not at 852 excuse me 752 excuse me 752 I 2521 01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:29,399 close the planning and 2522 01:52:29,399 --> 01:52:32,720 zoning Commission meeting thank you