WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.240 Okay, it is nine o'clock and we do have a quorum so we'll call to order the public utilities 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:12.140 board for the city of Denton for Monday October 11th, 2021. 00:00:12.140 --> 00:00:16.980 Is there anyone in the public wishing to speak? 00:00:16.980 --> 00:00:19.460 Is there anyone on the phone? 00:00:19.460 --> 00:00:23.680 Kim, do you know if anyone's on the phone? 00:00:23.680 --> 00:00:24.680 No? 00:00:24.680 --> 00:00:26.840 All right, then we'll go into our regular meeting. 00:00:26.840 --> 00:00:29.860 The first item is our consent agenda. 00:00:29.860 --> 00:00:36.360 Does any board member wish to pull one of the items of A, B, or C? 00:00:36.360 --> 00:00:40.280 I'm looking at Ben. 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:45.640 Go ahead, Ben. 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:47.000 I can't hear you. 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:52.520 Are you muted? 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:53.520 I am talking. 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:54.520 Okay. 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:55.520 I'm sorry. 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:56.520 Go ahead again, Ben. 00:00:56.520 --> 00:00:57.760 We didn't hear it. 00:00:57.760 --> 00:00:58.760 That's okay. 00:00:58.760 --> 00:01:00.240 Item B is in boy. 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:01.240 Okay. 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:03.240 Item B is in boy. 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:05.440 All right. 00:01:05.440 --> 00:01:10.920 Then do we have a motion to approve items A and C? 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:11.920 So moved. 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:12.920 Barbara, moved. 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:15.320 Do we have a second? 00:01:15.320 --> 00:01:16.320 Larry seconded. 00:01:16.320 --> 00:01:17.920 All in favor say aye. 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:18.920 Aye. 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:23.000 Okay, that includes Ben. 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:24.000 Then item B. 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:32.760 Yeah, I really just had one quick question about that. 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:39.040 It was talking about a switch between the type of steel, and it said stainless steel 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:40.440 was preferred. 00:01:40.440 --> 00:01:41.440 I was curious. 00:01:41.440 --> 00:01:42.440 Why is it preferred? 00:01:42.440 --> 00:01:43.440 What's the difference? 00:01:43.440 --> 00:01:47.040 What's the purpose of the switch, exactly? 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:54.160 Do we have someone from staff? 00:01:54.160 --> 00:02:04.080 Madam Chair, let me see if Stephen Gay or one of his staff members is on the line. 00:02:04.080 --> 00:02:06.120 Okay. 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:11.400 Yeah, this is Stephen Gay. 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:16.520 I was going to wait to see if Chris could answer the question, but essentially stainless 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:25.240 steel is more resistant to the rusting, and in the moist environment, it's preferred over 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:27.240 the galvanized. 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:31.600 Okay, that was it. 00:02:31.600 --> 00:02:32.600 Thank you. 00:02:32.600 --> 00:02:33.600 Okay. 00:02:33.600 --> 00:02:38.560 Do we have a motion to approve item B? 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:40.080 Mr. Beck, motion to approve? 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:41.080 I'll second. 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:43.120 Ben, you can be the second. 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:45.640 All in favor say aye. 00:02:45.640 --> 00:02:46.640 Aye. 00:02:46.640 --> 00:02:50.120 All right, that carries. 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.160 Next item, items for individual consideration. 00:02:53.160 --> 00:02:55.880 Consider the approval of the September 13th minutes. 00:02:55.880 --> 00:02:58.760 Does anyone have any changes or corrections? 00:02:58.760 --> 00:03:03.760 Okay, seeing none, do we have a motion to approve the minutes? 00:03:03.760 --> 00:03:05.160 So moved. 00:03:05.160 --> 00:03:07.320 Devin moved. 00:03:07.320 --> 00:03:08.320 Barbara seconded. 00:03:08.320 --> 00:03:10.320 All in favor say aye. 00:03:10.320 --> 00:03:11.320 Aye. 00:03:11.320 --> 00:03:12.320 That carries. 00:03:12.320 --> 00:03:13.320 Okay. 00:03:13.320 --> 00:03:17.560 Item B, consider recommending the adoption of an ordinance for the city of Denton to 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:28.120 declare the intent to reimburse capital expenditures for the electric utility. 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:49.840 There we go. 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:50.840 Good morning. 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:51.920 Randy Klingle, Treasury Manager. 00:03:51.920 --> 00:04:00.360 I'm here to present to you a short slide deck regarding our annual reimbursement ordinance. 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:06.480 The purpose of this ordinance is due to the fact that the IRS wants the city to declare 00:04:06.480 --> 00:04:11.260 its intent to reimburse itself with tax bonds that will be issued at a future date. 00:04:11.260 --> 00:04:15.420 Generally, we sell the bonds 12 months after this ordinance is approved. 00:04:15.420 --> 00:04:19.200 We like to do it before the end of the fiscal year for accounting purposes. 00:04:19.200 --> 00:04:23.840 And this is also allowed in our current city's debt policy for us to do this. 00:04:23.840 --> 00:04:28.200 The projects that you will see on the slides going forward, we're not gonna go through 00:04:28.200 --> 00:04:29.560 them item by item. 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:32.840 They are the budgeted items for the utility departments. 00:04:32.840 --> 00:04:36.480 So these were just approved in the September 21st overall budget for the city. 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:41.720 So there should be nothing new here for you to see, but these are the same projects. 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:48.200 The water projects are totaling a 34.4 for their budget for this current year. 00:04:48.200 --> 00:04:50.520 Wastewater projects has a longer list. 00:04:50.520 --> 00:04:54.840 There's three slides here, but also in your backup, I'll note that your AIS has a very 00:04:54.840 --> 00:04:59.240 small narrative detail on the highlights of what they're doing this fiscal year. 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:04.840 There's large projects that are going on, but there's a small narrative in your backup. 00:05:04.840 --> 00:05:10.720 Wastewater projects continue with a total of 44.2 million. 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:17.160 Solid Waste has a budget of 2.5, working on the scale house and some fleet facility. 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:22.800 Wastewater projects are totaling 52.9 this year, which brings your utilities to a grand 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:31.320 total of 134.1, and this is their budget for the fiscal year that we just started. 00:05:31.320 --> 00:05:35.800 So our next steps are for staff to go to the bond oversight committee, where we will take 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:40.000 the geo bond portion of the total project list for review. 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:43.480 Then we'll come back to PUB and to council regarding the notice of intent. 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:47.320 At this time, this project dollars most likely will reduce. 00:05:47.320 --> 00:05:51.520 We're not going until probably April for that, so they have some time to review the projects 00:05:51.520 --> 00:05:53.480 and the current funds that they have available. 00:05:53.480 --> 00:06:00.200 Then in May, we will go for a parameters ordinance for council, and then on May 22nd, we will 00:06:00.200 --> 00:06:05.400 have a project bond sale and possible proceeds in mid-summer, possibly in June. 00:06:05.400 --> 00:06:06.400 Yes, ma'am. 00:06:06.400 --> 00:06:15.160 - I just have a general question, is the bond oversight committee, is that the public or 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:16.160 is that staff? 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:17.160 - It's public. 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:18.160 Yes, ma'am. 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:20.600 - And the council selects? 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:26.280 - Yes, they go through that program in 2019 when we had the bond election, they began 00:06:26.280 --> 00:06:27.880 that committee process. 00:06:27.880 --> 00:06:31.600 They went through the summer, had the election in November of 2019, and some of those stayed 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:35.120 on, and they try to meet quarterly to review all projects. 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:39.800 - Okay, thank you. 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:44.440 - Thank you, and that was all of my slides, so any questions further than that? 00:06:44.440 --> 00:06:46.440 - Other questions? 00:06:46.440 --> 00:06:49.440 Ben, no question from you, right? 00:06:49.440 --> 00:06:50.440 Okay. 00:06:50.440 --> 00:06:51.720 All right, no further questions. 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:56.400 Do we have a motion to approve? 00:06:56.400 --> 00:06:58.000 Mary Beck is approving. 00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:59.000 Motion to approve. 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:00.000 Second? 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:01.000 Barbara Russell. 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:02.880 All in favor, say aye. 00:07:02.880 --> 00:07:03.880 - Aye. 00:07:03.880 --> 00:07:04.880 - Opposed? 00:07:04.880 --> 00:07:05.880 - Aye. 00:07:05.880 --> 00:07:08.200 - Thank you, Ben. 00:07:08.200 --> 00:07:12.320 Item C, consider recommending the adoption of an ordinance for the city of Denton, a 00:07:12.320 --> 00:07:17.160 Texas Home Rule Municipal Corporation, authorizing the city manager to execute a contract with 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:27.520 Floyd Smith Concrete in the five-year not to exceed amount of $39 million. 00:07:27.520 --> 00:07:45.520 - Good morning, Madam Chair, members of the PB. 00:07:45.520 --> 00:07:46.520 My name is Ethan Cox. 00:07:46.520 --> 00:07:49.480 I'm the general manager for public works for the city of Denton. 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:54.160 The item that you have before you this morning is for concrete repair and installation services. 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:56.080 This is not related to our capital projects. 00:07:56.080 --> 00:07:57.960 Those are typically contracted separately. 00:07:57.960 --> 00:08:04.920 This is really for spot pairs and smaller projects that are less than $400,000 in cost. 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:10.120 This is a city-wide contract, although public works uses about 70% of all the services. 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:13.760 That's our drainage streets, traffic, and parks and recreation. 00:08:13.760 --> 00:08:18.440 We do have some utilities that are involved as well with water, wastewater, solid waste, 00:08:18.440 --> 00:08:22.520 and I believe electric sometimes utilizes this contract as well. 00:08:22.520 --> 00:08:25.800 You'll see here on this slide, we've included some of the types of work that you'll typically 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.560 see us use this contract for. 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:32.560 I would say about 50% of our overall annual spend, which up to this point is about $6 00:08:32.560 --> 00:08:34.280 million a year. 00:08:34.280 --> 00:08:37.160 About 50% of that we plan going into the year. 00:08:37.160 --> 00:08:40.480 These repairs that are scheduled and anticipated. 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:44.060 About half of the rest of that expenditure is for emergency repairs as well as citizen 00:08:44.060 --> 00:08:49.640 requests and issues that staff identifies in the field in the course of our ordinary work. 00:08:49.640 --> 00:08:53.720 We have been seeing about a 7% cost escalation on an annual basis. 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:58.200 We expect that to continue as a result of some of the supply chain shortages we're seeing 00:08:58.200 --> 00:08:59.200 with the pandemic. 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:04.280 Over here on the right, you can see our breakdown on the ... This is a three-year contract with 00:09:04.280 --> 00:09:06.640 two optional one-year renewals. 00:09:06.640 --> 00:09:09.440 We also have $4 million in there for contingencies. 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:17.000 Over a five-year period, it's an estimated total contract spend of $39 million. 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:20.960 For the solicitation, we did send this out to 486 prospective vendors. 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:26.480 We had about 21 express interest or at least view the solicitation on wave. 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:29.520 We did only have one response from a vendor. 00:09:29.520 --> 00:09:35.720 This is the contractor we've worked with, Floyd Smith, for over 20 years here locally. 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:38.720 In terms of only getting one response, I know that's usually a question we look at. 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:41.840 I think from a staff perspective, there's a couple of things there. 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:46.140 I mentioned the pandemic, so we're not seeing as many bidders on some of these just because 00:09:46.140 --> 00:09:48.680 they don't know if they can fulfill the obligations. 00:09:48.680 --> 00:09:54.080 I think the other thing with a contract like this, these are small localized repairs. 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:57.200 You're mobilizing every day, two or three times a day. 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:01.200 For vendors outside of Denton, that can be a challenge. 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:04.860 We understand that's always a concern, but this wasn't necessarily unexpected for us 00:10:04.860 --> 00:10:09.640 and we feel like we have a good relationship with the contractor and Floyd Smith. 00:10:09.640 --> 00:10:15.880 From a staff perspective, we recommend that the PB recommend approval to the city council 00:10:15.880 --> 00:10:17.640 for the concrete repair services. 00:10:17.640 --> 00:10:23.520 Again, it's a two-year contract, I misspoke earlier, with the option for three one-year 00:10:23.520 --> 00:10:27.480 renewals and that total not to exceed amount of 39 million. 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:30.160 I'm happy to stand for any questions. 00:10:30.160 --> 00:10:31.160 Questions? 00:10:31.160 --> 00:10:33.680 Yes, ma'am. 00:10:33.680 --> 00:10:40.280 I don't think I have seen as many sidewalks and curbs being worked on in our city since 00:10:40.280 --> 00:10:42.320 we've lived here. 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:49.560 Are we behind and catching up because they're in neighborhoods that are older neighborhoods 00:10:49.560 --> 00:10:55.920 and it just seems like everywhere I go, there's a sidewalk or a curb being worked on. 00:10:55.920 --> 00:10:59.880 Yeah, I think there's obviously our capital projects where anytime we go into the capital 00:10:59.880 --> 00:11:04.920 project, we want to look at everything holistically, not just the street repair and reconstruction 00:11:04.920 --> 00:11:06.360 as we have in the past. 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:11.120 With those projects, you're going to see curb and gutter, sidewalks, sometimes you may be 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:14.360 looking at bike lanes and lighting being installed as well. 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:20.280 I think from a maintenance and repair standpoint, really, we're trying to be more proactive. 00:11:20.280 --> 00:11:24.720 I think in the past, we would really just wait until we saw an issue out in the field 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.160 or a citizen contacted us. 00:11:27.160 --> 00:11:31.560 Really, we've put an emphasis the last couple of years on identifying where there's gaps, 00:11:31.560 --> 00:11:35.000 where there's trip hazards, where there are things like that and really trying to program 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:36.000 that work. 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:40.480 That 50% of the contract spend is really geared toward being proactive and scheduling some 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:45.200 of those things so that we're not as reactive and not waiting for a citizen to complain. 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:49.200 So we're not fixing a straight and then tearing it up to do a water line? 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:50.200 No. 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:51.200 Ideally, that would be what we avoid. 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:52.200 Right. 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:53.200 Absolutely. 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:54.200 Good idea. 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:58.160 Oh, Mr. Beck, go ahead. 00:11:58.160 --> 00:11:59.600 Quick question for my own edification. 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.720 I'm in a new development where the developer's fixing to get out of there and already we've 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.600 got a couple of areas on the sidewalk that are broken and I anticipate they'll fix it, 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:13.880 but just out of curiosity, what's the timeframe that they're obligated to fix once they're 00:12:13.880 --> 00:12:16.240 done and out of there? 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:17.240 I'm not sure. 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:21.840 I'm not as involved with the development side of approval, but I do know that we do have 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:26.200 warranties for developers and typically what I've seen in those, I've seen two and three 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.740 year warranty periods for those. 00:12:28.740 --> 00:12:32.360 I don't know if that's a standard for the city, but if you're seeing a developer that's 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:36.240 stepping out of there and part of what they've installed is already failing, that should 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:38.120 be covered under the warranty. 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:42.400 If you have specifics, if you want to shoot me an email, we can get that over to our inspections 00:12:42.400 --> 00:12:44.000 division and make sure they're aware of it. 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:45.600 Well, I've been dealing with developers. 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:50.520 I feel certain that they'll take care of it, but good to know where I can go if they don't. 00:12:50.520 --> 00:12:51.520 Yes, sir. 00:12:51.520 --> 00:12:52.520 Thanks, sir. 00:12:52.520 --> 00:12:53.520 Other questions? 00:12:53.520 --> 00:12:58.960 Do we have a motion to approve item C? 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:00.840 So moved. 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:01.840 Barber moved. 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:04.920 Do we have a second? 00:13:04.920 --> 00:13:05.920 Devin second. 00:13:05.920 --> 00:13:06.920 All those in favor say aye. 00:13:06.920 --> 00:13:07.920 Aye. 00:13:07.920 --> 00:13:08.920 Aye. 00:13:08.920 --> 00:13:09.920 Opposed? 00:13:09.920 --> 00:13:10.920 Thank you very much. 00:13:10.920 --> 00:13:11.920 Thanks, Ben. 00:13:11.920 --> 00:13:12.920 All right. 00:13:12.920 --> 00:13:13.920 Management reports. 00:13:13.920 --> 00:13:17.280 Madam Chair, PB members, so we have a couple of reports that we've submitted to you. 00:13:17.280 --> 00:13:20.320 One was the water cost of service study. 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:26.800 I think someone had requested that, and then we have the July 2021 dashboard for the Dent 00:13:26.800 --> 00:13:27.800 Energy Center. 00:13:27.800 --> 00:13:34.040 Nick Vincent is on the line if anyone has a question regarding those two reports. 00:13:34.040 --> 00:13:38.800 And the third report is this customer service integrated utility payment solution contract. 00:13:38.800 --> 00:13:44.000 Either Ryan Adams or Krista Foster are on the line. 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:48.600 So before I go to the next item, if there's any questions on any of those reports, I'll 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:49.600 be happy to respond. 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:51.200 Mr. Beck, go ahead. 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:53.720 Yeah, just a couple of things popped out to me. 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:56.640 First, I want to congratulate whoever put the report together. 00:13:56.640 --> 00:14:00.800 I mean, for a lay person like me where it's hard to get your head wrapped around a lot 00:14:00.800 --> 00:14:05.440 of this information, I thought it was well done, and I was able to understand it reasonably 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:06.440 well. 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:12.040 But a couple of things did pop out to me, if you could allow me to ask you about it. 00:14:12.040 --> 00:14:19.480 In addition to the water operation and maintenance costs, utility, it says the utility pays a 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:26.560 5% annual franchise fee to the city and a 3.5% return on investment to the city. 00:14:26.560 --> 00:14:30.900 It says the fees are based upon rate revenue, the franchise fee is calculated within the 00:14:30.900 --> 00:14:34.800 model based upon the model's calculated revenue. 00:14:34.800 --> 00:14:42.520 My question is, is this miscellaneous revenue that helps fund, what, city capital improvements 00:14:42.520 --> 00:14:44.960 or some other thing? 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:47.720 So let me see if Nick is on the line, see if he can respond to that. 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:50.120 If not, I can give it a shot. 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:51.120 Nick? 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:52.120 Yes, I'm here. 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:53.120 Can you hear me? 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:54.120 Yes. 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:58.400 So Nick Vincent, assistant director of finance, great question. 00:14:58.400 --> 00:15:03.120 So I believe your question would be is the return on investment and the franchise fees 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.680 that go to the general fund, what do those go to funds? 00:15:05.680 --> 00:15:06.680 Is that your question? 00:15:06.680 --> 00:15:10.200 It goes to the general fund then. 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:14.240 So it does go to the general fund for a couple of different reasons, or for a couple of different 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:17.680 purposes, so I can kind of walk you through it really quick. 00:15:17.680 --> 00:15:22.520 So the franchise fees go to the general fund, those are eventually funneled over to the streets 00:15:22.520 --> 00:15:27.440 fund for street infrastructure, and two, for the street improvement fund, so used around 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:32.080 the community for different improvements within streets, and I know Ethan had presented a 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:40.200 couple items to go, that's a perfect example of what those funds go to fund, is that department. 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:44.240 And the return on investment does go to the general fund just to cover overhead costs, 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:50.360 so it's the general fund's return on investment for owning those utilities, hopefully that 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:51.360 answers your question. 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:52.360 Yeah, it does. 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:57.720 And this applies to both water and wastewater, right? 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:05.400 Yes sir, actually the franchise fees and returns on investment applies to each of the utilities, 00:16:05.400 --> 00:16:10.800 with the exception of solid waste, so water, waste water, and electric, each pay a franchise 00:16:10.800 --> 00:16:14.960 fee and return on investment, and solid waste pays a franchise fee that does not pay a return 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:15.960 on investment. 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:23.960 Okay, and what was, what is the, what's it called, auction proceeds under these? 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:24.960 Yes. 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:32.920 Yeah, great question, so auction proceeds are simply just as it sounds, that is the 00:16:32.920 --> 00:16:38.560 utilities sell at its assets, or dispose of those assets through auction, so you may remember 00:16:38.560 --> 00:16:42.640 a couple meetings ago we had Terry Cater, the fleet superintendent, give a presentation 00:16:42.640 --> 00:16:48.800 regarding vehicles, and the city purchased new vehicles, we sell from those older assets, 00:16:48.800 --> 00:16:54.920 we bring those revenues into the funds to sell of assets, or sell of vehicles, yeah. 00:16:54.920 --> 00:17:00.200 Okay, that makes sense, that's kind of what it sounds like, and then last thing, why wasn't 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:06.400 it determined by the city that no growth was assumed in the collection of water and wastewater 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:14.760 impact fees, it's just a static amount for the next five years, why was that? 00:17:14.760 --> 00:17:20.400 So a great question, so a couple years ago the city updated the impact fee study for 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:26.000 the water and wastewater utility, but that study did look at a 10-year recoverable cost 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:31.520 that each of the utilities could recover through impact fees, that amount happens to be, for 00:17:31.520 --> 00:17:39.040 example, for water around 60 million, I believe for wastewater around 45 or 49 million, what 00:17:39.040 --> 00:17:44.720 we simply did is we took that amount, divided it over 10 years, that is a 10-year amount 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:49.560 we're going to recover from the community, from growth coming in, so from the impact 00:17:49.560 --> 00:17:54.640 of those growths on those different utility systems, is it exact science, the impact fee 00:17:54.640 --> 00:18:00.000 itself does consider growth, we just simply took that amount, divided it evenly over 10 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:05.440 years, not really knowing what year we would receive more or less, and I will tell you 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:10.400 that fluctuates year to year, I mean this year for example, water has received somewhere 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:15.520 around 7 million dollars in impact fees, when we budgeted it somewhere around 6 million, 00:18:15.520 --> 00:18:18.720 so I mean that definitely does fluctuate year to year. 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:25.160 And this took into consideration the 100 coal development out on 35? 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:29.160 Great question, so the current impact fee study does not contemplate 100 coal ranch 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:34.240 development, one thing we've been talking about along with Stephen Gaye, the water waste 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:40.280 water utility director and the city management team is updating that impact fee study prior 00:18:40.280 --> 00:18:45.400 to the five-year period to include that development, so that very likely could come back to you 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:49.880 in the near future, we likely will not wait for five years to update that study, so I 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:54.680 think that study was updated in 2018 or 2019, so we're approaching the third year of that 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:55.680 study. 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:59.320 Okay, great, thank you. 00:18:59.320 --> 00:19:00.320 You're welcome. 00:19:00.320 --> 00:19:02.520 Questions for anyone else? 00:19:02.520 --> 00:19:06.920 All right, go on to new business. 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:12.800 So there's really no change to the new business items that we have, you know we have a number 00:19:12.800 --> 00:19:17.600 of follow-ups that we're planning to do, the last request that we had was this emergency 00:19:17.600 --> 00:19:22.440 preparedness for the DEC, we are working on a memo to you and anticipate having that for 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:29.400 you for the next meeting along with this legislative update as well, so if anyone has any questions 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:33.160 on those, I'd be happy to respond, but we are working on those. 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:34.160 Mr. Beck again. 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:39.200 I'm pretty talkative today, are we dealing with the list because I don't have it in front 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:42.400 of me, are we dealing with the list of issues that were raised in the past and where they 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:43.400 stand? 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:45.560 I can certainly read them out to you. 00:19:45.560 --> 00:19:50.960 No, no, no, the one I was interested in, I think a former PUB member had soft presented 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:58.160 about how much solar energy was put back in, he and I were on what was called the Denton 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:03.200 drilling awareness group which is now defunct, so that is an item that interests me too, 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:07.820 so has there been any movement on it at all or is it just? 00:20:07.820 --> 00:20:13.320 I can tell you that we are working on that, as you may be aware there's been a number 00:20:13.320 --> 00:20:18.780 of questions that have come up regarding street lights and lighting and dark skies and a number 00:20:18.780 --> 00:20:25.240 of other issues surrounding that, including questions regarding PPA that we recently did 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:31.400 with embassy suites and so the direction that we got is to work on that and we're planning 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:35.880 to have a conversation with the sustainability committee regarding all these matters, we're 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:40.720 going to just roll all this into that discussion and we'll come back to the PUB with whatever 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:45.440 recommendation that committee makes on that presentation and ultimately we'll go to council 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:51.040 to seek any direction, if there is any direction there's likely going to be a pretty broad 00:20:51.040 --> 00:20:58.680 discussion about our total solar program and lighting in the city and those related matters, 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:02.880 so at this point I don't have a date certain of when we're going to do that, I can just 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:08.640 tell you that we are working on that and hope to have that before too long. 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:11.240 Good, I appreciate your attention to it, thank you. 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:12.240 Yes sir. 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:16.120 Any other board members? 00:21:16.120 --> 00:21:20.400 Alright then on to concluding items, does a board member wish to have anything added 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:26.080 to a future agenda item or have congratulations or anything to add? 00:21:26.080 --> 00:21:33.240 Alright, hearing none it is 922, do we have a motion to adjourn, Billy's not here, somebody 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:34.240 has to do it. 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:35.240 So moved. 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:36.240 I'll move. 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:37.240 Alright, we're adjourned. 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:38.240 Bye everyone. 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:42.240 [End of transcript]