WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.980 The October 7th Planning and Zoning Commission meeting work 00:00:03.980 --> 00:00:04.960 session has 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:11.179 been duly posted and we're ready to begin. We do have a qu 00:00:11.179 --> 00:00:12.820 orum. I think we 00:00:12.820 --> 00:00:16.420 have one missing that will be here shortly in about 10 00:00:16.420 --> 00:00:18.280 minutes. We're going 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:23.170 to start tonight with a review of our agenda. First item 00:00:23.170 --> 00:00:24.399 being does anybody 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:28.800 have any questions about the minutes? 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:35.090 Our next item will be our consent agenda and I'll ask Menal 00:00:35.090 --> 00:00:37.439 to see who's going to 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:40.600 present and go through these items for us. Thank you Mr. 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:42.240 Chair. The first consent 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:45.929 agenda item would be the preliminary plat for West Park 00:00:45.929 --> 00:00:47.039 Industrial. 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:51.079 Ross will go ahead and present that. 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:22.480 Good evening Commissioners. The plat is for two lots on the 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:23.519 northeast corner of 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:32.200 Airport. Let me see. 00:01:53.519 --> 00:02:05.359 We just have a plat for two lots for non-residential 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:07.959 development. This is in 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:12.699 consideration for a part of a development, economic 00:02:12.699 --> 00:02:15.240 development project for 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:23.650 Rush Enterprises. There will be completing a facility to 00:02:23.650 --> 00:02:24.199 customize 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:28.800 truck vehicles for Peterbilt on this lot and then this lot 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:30.479 will be a future phase 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:33.990 with a future development. They haven't submitted the 00:02:33.990 --> 00:02:35.240 building permit yet for 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:40.639 this yet so we're looking at the preliminary plat and a 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:40.919 final 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:45.219 plan will be issued when they when they get ready for 00:02:45.219 --> 00:02:51.000 construction. Any questions? 00:02:51.000 --> 00:03:02.280 Questions on this item? Thank you. Moving along to the next 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:03.919 plat we have 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:06.810 the plat for Cooke Children's Razor Ranch Edition and 00:03:06.810 --> 00:03:08.280 Sophie Hummer will go ahead 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:11.939 and provide the description on this property and what is 00:03:11.939 --> 00:03:13.280 being proposed for 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:21.169 development. This is the final plat for lot one block A of 00:03:21.169 --> 00:03:22.080 the Cooke Children's 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:26.319 Razor Ranch Edition. This is lot one. The preliminary plat 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:27.479 was approved earlier 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:32.580 this year in May. You also approved a site plan for this 00:03:32.580 --> 00:03:33.520 project earlier this 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:39.520 year and this is the final plat. Any questions on this item 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:41.879 ? Commissioner Backer. 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:46.719 What is Cooke Children's Razor Ranch Edition? It is a 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:49.800 medical center. It'll be a pediatric 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.879 clinic. It's going to sit in between the select 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:55.900 rehabilitation hospital and what 00:03:55.900 --> 00:04:01.900 looks like on Google Maps. Are those what condensate tanks 00:04:01.900 --> 00:04:03.960 over there near Bonnie 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:10.180 Bray? It's I guess it'd be the southeast corner of Bonnie 00:04:10.180 --> 00:04:10.699 Bray and 00:04:10.699 --> 00:04:16.649 didn't they do some drilling there? Yeah what and what's 00:04:16.649 --> 00:04:17.720 there now? Are those 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:20.759 condensate tanks? 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:26.339 Darren Groth, Gaswell Administrator. Hey, Darren Groth, Gas 00:04:26.339 --> 00:04:28.800 well Administrator. I know some of 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:30.800 you have turned over since I've been here last but thought 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:31.560 I'd introduce myself. 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:35.579 The site at Bonnie Bray in Scripture has three wells on it. 00:04:35.579 --> 00:04:36.680 They do have some 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.670 produced water tanks. They don't have any condensate tanks 00:04:39.670 --> 00:04:41.879 on that site but it's I 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:44.240 don't know the measurement but it's to the east of this 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.120 site. So water tanks 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:52.339 that's all in. Produced water tanks. Okay. This meets the 00:04:52.339 --> 00:04:53.920 fire code and the debt and development code 00:04:53.920 --> 00:05:01.199 requirements. Okay. Any other questions on this item? Thank 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:03.279 you, Sophie. Moving on to the next, we're 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:07.139 going to actually skip Brubson Ranch to await Commissioner 00:05:07.139 --> 00:05:08.600 Brighill. She had some 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:11.370 questions on that and had requested that she have the 00:05:11.370 --> 00:05:12.959 opportunity to do so. If we 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:15.670 can go ahead and skip to the preliminary plat for Perfect 00:05:15.670 --> 00:05:16.920 Finish Landscaping. 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:21.199 Julie White is going to present this on behalf of Mike Bell 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:21.199 . 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:32.480 All right. This is a preliminary plat for a to create one 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:33.720 non-residential lot. They 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:38.000 intend to develop the property with an office warehouse 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:39.680 type development. 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:48.800 Do you have any questions? Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:51.600 Commissioner Beck. I was pulling up the 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:57.819 plat myself. They're intending to develop the property with 00:05:57.819 --> 00:05:59.279 an office type and 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:02.959 warehouse type development. It's in an employment center 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:03.600 industrial zoning 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:07.579 district. That's a preliminary use. So no industry, light 00:06:07.579 --> 00:06:10.480 industry, manufacturing? They haven't given any other level 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:10.560 of 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:13.550 detail for that. Any use that would go in would have to be 00:06:13.550 --> 00:06:14.399 a permitted use within 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:18.649 the zoning district that's located in. Okay. It's close to 00:06:18.649 --> 00:06:21.180 homes on both sides. You've got the house on the west side, 00:06:21.180 --> 00:06:23.560 I believe, in the trailer park on the other side. There's 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:27.199 been no... this doesn't conflict with that. They would have 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:27.720 to meet the buffer 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:30.019 requirements within the Ditten Development Code and if it 00:06:30.019 --> 00:06:30.920 was an industrial 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:34.529 type development, I believe that's a type D buffer which is 00:06:34.529 --> 00:06:36.319 a 30-foot landscape 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:41.110 buffer between them and any residential development. It is 00:06:41.110 --> 00:06:43.720 30 feet. Yes, absolutely 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:45.959 correct. Julie is correct with that. However, they did 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:46.959 request, the applicant 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.319 did request a variance from the Zoning Board of Adjustment 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:50.000 to reduce that 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:52.970 buffer width to 20 feet which would still include tree 00:06:52.970 --> 00:06:54.199 plantings adjacent to 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:56.259 the residential district. And that's okay with the home 00:06:56.259 --> 00:06:57.879 owner there? Right. So they went 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.040 through public hearing with the Zoning Board of Adjustment. 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:00.839 It was a public 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:04.629 hearing notification was offered and to my knowledge there 00:07:04.629 --> 00:07:05.680 was no issue with the 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:10.129 surrounding property owners either. Okay. Good deal. Thank 00:07:10.129 --> 00:07:14.160 you. Commissioner Hatchbeth. I have just a general question 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:18.149 while this is here though. Regarding the preliminary plat, 00:07:18.149 --> 00:07:19.360 can you give me an 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:22.410 overview of that process? How do we get to that? What does 00:07:22.410 --> 00:07:24.720 that entail in subsequent... 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.670 obviously there's final plat and so you know so if I can 00:07:27.670 --> 00:07:30.000 get a timeline. To put it 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.660 in... to give you a synopsis, the preliminary plat is more 00:07:33.660 --> 00:07:34.720 of a macro level. It 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:38.220 could identify a large acreage, a large substantial piece 00:07:38.220 --> 00:07:39.879 of property that a 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:42.740 developer potentially has intent to develop. However, it 00:07:42.740 --> 00:07:43.600 could be a phase 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.110 development or a phase program and so through that they 00:07:46.110 --> 00:07:47.240 could carve out pieces 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:50.750 within that preliminary plat that would enable them to 00:07:50.750 --> 00:07:52.160 final plat and provide 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:54.939 full-blown engineering or civil drawings associated with 00:07:54.939 --> 00:07:55.839 that to make sure the 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:59.079 infrastructure needs are met and addressed for that 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:00.160 specific area. The 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:02.800 preliminary plat gives you a schematic and conceptual 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:03.879 layout as to engineering 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.040 your street layout and as you move forward and fine-tune 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:07.920 what exactly 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:09.939 you're going to do, how much acreage you're going to use 00:08:09.939 --> 00:08:11.019 for that. So you could have 00:08:11.019 --> 00:08:14.360 a hundred acres for example that was preliminary platted 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:15.160 and with that 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.500 perhaps in phase one only ten acres came in. That ten acres 00:08:18.500 --> 00:08:19.319 would then become 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:23.230 your final plot which would have a more thorough study, 00:08:23.230 --> 00:08:24.920 complete study on your 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:29.579 infrastructure requirements which is your water, your sewer 00:08:29.579 --> 00:08:30.720 , your street. Drainage. 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:39.240 So at what level is that scrutinized? I mean you know is it 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:41.159 ... I think I 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:44.019 understand your question. Yes. I think so. So I'm going to 00:08:44.019 --> 00:08:45.080 take the liberty to try 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:48.960 and answer it without you completing it so I apologize in 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:50.879 advance. The 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:54.389 Development Services Department has a Development Review 00:08:54.389 --> 00:08:55.159 Committee. The 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:58.379 Development Review Committee houses the planning discipline 00:08:58.379 --> 00:08:59.440 , the engineering 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:02.679 discipline, FHIR, plans examiners which is your building 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:04.519 inspection team and then 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:07.539 when I talk about the engineering team we're talking about 00:09:07.539 --> 00:09:08.159 the entire 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:11.210 engineering team which addresses utilities, which addresses 00:09:11.210 --> 00:09:11.759 your roadways, 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:15.269 which addresses what the master thoroughfare plan and 00:09:15.269 --> 00:09:16.559 infrastructure plan 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.110 requires and all those disciplines come together and they 00:09:20.110 --> 00:09:21.159 review the final 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:24.230 plot such as this. So if you notice on this final plot it 00:09:24.230 --> 00:09:25.720 identifies easements 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:28.940 as well. These easements are necessary to ensure that the 00:09:28.940 --> 00:09:30.320 site functions not just 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:33.059 from an access point but when we talk about drainage. Is 00:09:33.059 --> 00:09:34.120 there water to the 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:36.919 site? Is there sewer to the site? How do we... if it's not 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:37.919 there how do we bring it 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.600 there? What needs to happen to allow this site to function? 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:42.759 You mean preliminary 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:47.000 plot? I was talking about... well the preliminary plot is 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:48.000 more schematic and 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.720 then the final plot delves into that information more. 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:52.000 Right. It's basically to make 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:55.440 sure that the developers are on the right track before they 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:56.039 have to bring 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:59.120 forward serious engineering drawings for the final plan. 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.080 Got it. That's the function of it 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:08.149 and it's at the initial outset for the project. Okay. You 00:10:08.149 --> 00:10:10.960 have some follow-up 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:13.440 questions? Well yeah I just don't... I still don't 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:17.759 understand. For example if I 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:22.360 if I'm if I'm gonna develop this the green area out front 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:24.559 here and I... is there 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.009 any scrutiny to that? Is there no that's not feasible? Are 00:10:28.009 --> 00:10:29.000 we cutting them off at 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:31.639 the pass early saying hey that's not possible? Correct. Or 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:32.679 can someone bring us 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:36.279 a plan for anything and it passes the first preliminary 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:37.799 step and then goes in 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.889 the detail? I just don't know at what level so I understand 00:10:40.889 --> 00:10:41.720 the disciplines 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:48.279 that go into the final... but the preliminary what is... 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:48.960 and the same 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:53.529 discipline evaluates from the onset. Let's talk about use. 00:10:53.529 --> 00:10:54.039 For instance 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.120 Commissioner Beck brought that up. Can they do what they're 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:56.879 doing in ECI with 00:10:56.879 --> 00:10:59.559 this one for example? Yes they can. The use is permitted. 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:00.600 What are the zoning 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.299 requirements in terms of lot width or lot area as we speak 00:11:03.299 --> 00:11:04.840 to residential? All 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:07.379 those from a preliminary discussion standpoint are 00:11:07.379 --> 00:11:09.159 addressed. So you cannot 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:12.120 proceed into a final without addressing your preliminary 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:12.960 and you wouldn't go 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:16.559 forward from your initial conversation. We enable initial 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:17.879 conversation with our 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:21.169 external stakeholders so we can understand their project 00:11:21.169 --> 00:11:21.919 and they can 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:24.720 vet it with us prior to them even submitting their 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:26.279 preliminary plat. Got it. 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:28.840 There you go. Thank you. I'll add one more thing to that. 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:30.279 There's a there's a 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:33.750 preliminary step that you can do as a developer that even 00:11:33.750 --> 00:11:34.639 comes before a 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:36.940 preliminary plat and it's called a development review 00:11:36.940 --> 00:11:37.559 committee or a 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:42.769 pre-construction type meeting and it's a very inexpensive 00:11:42.769 --> 00:11:44.639 way to take a piece of 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:48.340 property that you're unfamiliar with and it's I think it's 00:11:48.340 --> 00:11:51.000 a $250 fee that you 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:54.259 present and to the board that... and I was talking about 00:11:54.259 --> 00:11:57.279 the the the DRC and the 00:11:57.279 --> 00:11:59.639 development review committee and all those departments will 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:00.279 come and review 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:02.509 that particular project. It's usually done within a couple 00:12:02.509 --> 00:12:03.639 weeks and it does 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:06.370 exactly what she's talking about. It does a very 00:12:06.370 --> 00:12:08.159 preliminary say we have a six 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:10.710 inch water line out in front there's a ten inch sewer line 00:12:10.710 --> 00:12:12.179 down here what are 00:12:12.179 --> 00:12:15.259 the easements what are your zoning's and kind of gives you 00:12:15.259 --> 00:12:17.000 a very quick snapshot 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:20.019 without getting into a lot of engineering drawings to kind 00:12:20.019 --> 00:12:20.440 of y'all's 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:24.080 point of what can you do this piece of property and what's 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:25.080 involved before 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:29.090 somebody starts writing big checks for engineers and civil 00:12:29.090 --> 00:12:30.120 engineers and 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:33.919 surveyors and so you really go through and in my experience 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:34.600 that's a 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:38.320 no-brainer to go through first and get some feedback and if 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:39.480 it is positive and 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:41.929 you look like you can do what you need to do then you move 00:12:41.929 --> 00:12:43.159 on to your 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:47.480 preliminary platting and then on to final plat so this is 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:48.440 just a preliminary 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:51.190 plat it's kind of would be a step to after somebody may 00:12:51.190 --> 00:12:51.840 have done a 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:57.159 preliminary development review. So this will come back 00:12:57.159 --> 00:12:58.879 again for a final plat. 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:02.960 Commissioner Dutta-Witts. I can just add that's why it's 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:03.840 part of a consent 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:07.350 agenda it's telling us it's already been through review 00:13:07.350 --> 00:13:09.259 processes and been vetted 00:13:09.259 --> 00:13:12.289 at that level for the preliminary stuff you know water 00:13:12.289 --> 00:13:13.679 lines and easements and 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:18.159 things like that so it's pretty much you know understanding 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:19.039 that that's been 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:21.509 vetted and now we can move forward and get into other 00:13:21.509 --> 00:13:22.860 details as we get to final 00:13:22.860 --> 00:13:25.159 plants and then if there's any rezoning or other things 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:26.120 that's when it really 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:30.399 gets serious with us. Sit down and see if that makes sense. 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:36.350 We've got Commissioner Brighill has joined us and I believe 00:13:36.350 --> 00:13:37.480 there was an item that we had 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:40.029 skipped that do you need a few more minutes we'll go on to 00:13:40.029 --> 00:13:43.600 another item. We're 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.409 going to move on to our next item which is going to be the 00:13:46.409 --> 00:13:51.440 sprouts edition. 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:53.840 This might look familiar this is sprouts you've seen it 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:54.600 before it was actually 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:58.980 this this plat was actually approved by this this 00:13:58.980 --> 00:14:01.679 Commission previously however 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.480 they've decided to instead of do underground detention they 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:06.200 decided to 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:09.559 detain on the site so it's changed a couple of things on 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:10.639 the plat so in 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:13.279 abundance of caution we've brought it back so you can look 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:14.379 and see at it see 00:14:14.379 --> 00:14:21.600 it again. Any questions on this particular item? 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:22.840 Commissioner Betk. I have 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:29.240 questions though. Thank you. Again being Teasley like it is 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:30.759 until this road gets 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:34.250 fixed concerned about the flow of traffic I didn't see 00:14:34.250 --> 00:14:35.200 anything on the 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:39.100 plan here and I just may not be reading it right but coming 00:14:39.100 --> 00:14:40.840 from down Teasley 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:44.919 heading south when you want to turn into sprouts are they 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:45.639 going to add a lane 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:49.759 where you can do that off of Teasley and if not why not and 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:50.720 do we have the right 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:57.080 to ask them to do that? I'm going to call Earl Escobar up. 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:00.159 Preach it to the choir. 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:06.700 Earl Escobar engineering. The construction plans for 00:15:06.700 --> 00:15:08.120 sprouts are 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:12.740 proposing two entrances off of Teasley Lane. One's located 00:15:12.740 --> 00:15:13.919 at the common 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.539 property line between their site and the site to the north 00:15:18.539 --> 00:15:19.919 and then one is 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:24.139 further north within the property to the north because that 00:15:24.139 --> 00:15:26.639 's where the median 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:29.039 opening will be upon the widening of Teasley Lane. Further 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:31.919 north? Yes. Okay. 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:38.570 But both entrances will have a dedicated right turn lane an 00:15:38.570 --> 00:15:39.840 additional lane to 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:43.100 transition into their side. Okay that's what I was asking. 00:15:43.100 --> 00:15:45.480 In other words people won't have to start backing up when 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:46.000 somebody's going to come in. 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.159 And then the entrance to the north the off-site entrance 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:51.039 will also have a 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:54.750 dedicated left turn lane as well. This entrance that's 00:15:54.750 --> 00:15:56.320 located between the two 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:59.480 properties that's only going to be a right in and a right 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:00.720 out type driveway. 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:03.789 Now is this purely an entrance or is it an entrance and 00:16:03.789 --> 00:16:05.919 exit? Both driveways are 00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:10.460 exits and entrances but the only difference between this 00:16:10.460 --> 00:16:11.360 one that's 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:13.769 between the two properties and the one further north is 00:16:13.769 --> 00:16:14.600 that the one further 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:21.039 north is a full exit. You can exit left or right as opposed 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:21.960 to this one right 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:26.919 here which is only a right out. Was there any consideration 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:28.519 to making those purely 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:32.120 entrances and letting the exit traffic go out Hickory Road 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:33.639 there at the light and 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:38.120 the reason I again unless there's a light there people are 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:38.840 you know it's a 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:43.149 challenge to get over in the other lane because you got 00:16:43.149 --> 00:16:45.120 cross traffic there. Was 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:47.669 there any consideration that this would be a problem with 00:16:47.669 --> 00:16:48.799 exiting traffic out of 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:53.019 there heading back north on Teesley? There was some concern 00:16:53.019 --> 00:16:53.679 on the first 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:58.080 entrance the southern entrance to only make that an exit 00:16:58.080 --> 00:16:58.639 right to the right 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:03.360 only as opposed to a left turn exit or a full entrance just 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:04.279 because of a 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:08.549 potential left turn movements into the site given the 00:17:08.549 --> 00:17:09.839 vicinity to the 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:12.839 intersection of Hickory Creek Road and Teesley we didn't 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:13.960 want traffic to back 00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:17.789 up into that intersection so we we require that to just be 00:17:17.789 --> 00:17:18.599 a strictly a 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:21.440 right in right out. The one further north is quite a ways 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:21.680 from that 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:24.569 intersection so we were comfortable enough with that being 00:17:24.569 --> 00:17:26.519 a full entry. 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:31.680 Okay. Thank you. Question? Commissioner Detowitz. While you 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:32.599 're up there have we 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:35.930 seen any preliminary drawings from DOT because that is a 00:17:35.930 --> 00:17:37.240 DOT right away? Yes there 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:40.710 are actual design plans for this project now they're 00:17:40.710 --> 00:17:42.160 scheduled to. I'm 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:45.759 talking about the whole Teesley project not just this area. 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:47.000 I'm not familiar with 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:50.049 the whole set of plans there are a set of plans I just 00:17:50.049 --> 00:17:51.079 focus for this project. 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:54.680 Because we've been we've been seeing additional sprouts and 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:56.720 other other types 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:00.400 of development from even further north in Teesley down from 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:01.640 the library we have a 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:07.279 senior citizen home we have I don't know how many homes are 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:08.480 going up there at 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:13.769 Ryan Road and now we have the neighborhood Walmart coming 00:18:13.769 --> 00:18:14.400 in and we 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:16.940 have sprouts and then further further further all the way 00:18:16.940 --> 00:18:17.759 down and we've had 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:21.470 some public interest about the traffic and all those and 00:18:21.470 --> 00:18:23.480 yet it's still a DOT 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:27.740 project. Yeah the scope of the project is from it's from at 00:18:27.740 --> 00:18:28.599 the intersection of 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:31.279 Teesley and Teesley or Lillian Miller that little corner 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:32.240 there all the way down 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:36.579 to 35. Right now they're working on 35 all the way to 2499 00:18:36.579 --> 00:18:37.680 I believe somewhere 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.930 in that area. But we have not seen their plans so how do we 00:18:40.930 --> 00:18:42.599 integrate our our 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:46.579 designs of ins and outs and X's? Oh we've in there we've 00:18:46.579 --> 00:18:47.599 coordinated okay 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:50.940 textile plants with this development and that's the reason 00:18:50.940 --> 00:18:52.559 why they had that that 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:56.029 driveway to the north off site is located where it is is 00:18:56.029 --> 00:18:57.000 because that's 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:00.779 where the ultimate median opening will be. Now secondary to 00:19:00.779 --> 00:19:02.039 that is is Hickory 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:06.119 Creek Road and Ryan Road and all those roads that parallel. 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:07.079 Those are city roadways. 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:09.519 Those are city roads and we've been asking about where 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:10.440 which the plans for 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:16.079 traffic lights and traffic enhancing whatever they may be 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:16.680 exits and 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:19.470 entrances those developments that are coming in. Yes as 00:19:19.470 --> 00:19:21.079 part of the sprouts 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:24.140 development they are going to be widening Hickory Creek 00:19:24.140 --> 00:19:25.680 Road I believe 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:28.359 they are constructing three additional lanes because it's a 00:19:28.359 --> 00:19:29.119 six lane roadway 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:31.180 and I believe there's already three lanes on the south side 00:19:31.180 --> 00:19:31.839 they're going to 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:35.130 build a three on the north side along with turn lines as 00:19:35.130 --> 00:19:36.519 well along their 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:40.440 frontage. And Ryan Road? Ryan Road the Walmart development 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:42.119 is building I believe 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:44.359 their frontage. What about the other end of it where the 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:45.240 other developments are 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.400 going in? The Country Club Road which is a stop sign now 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:49.359 and people can't turn 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:53.559 left or right because of the traffic on Country Club and 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:55.400 Ryan. They are cost 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:58.470 participating they're proportionate. What's the city 00:19:58.470 --> 00:19:59.839 planning to do at that? I 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:02.130 would just like to make a point of order if we could just 00:20:02.130 --> 00:20:03.160 stick to the item 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:06.880 that's specifically. I disagree I think this is this is 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:08.799 relevant to the whole 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:12.930 development of that area of traffic is incredible and if it 00:20:12.930 --> 00:20:14.039 doesn't flow down 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:17.109 easily it's it's hitting the other the other arterials in 00:20:17.109 --> 00:20:18.359 there and it's backing 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.559 up all kinds of traffic. So it's a discussion about traffic 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:23.400 which was the 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:28.359 question was raised. I guess to answer your question on 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:30.359 Country Club and Ryan. 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:33.109 There are also applies to Hickory Creek to where it bumps 00:20:33.109 --> 00:20:36.799 in. Right. Well Hickory 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:38.700 Creek and Fort Worth Drive there's a textile project for 00:20:38.700 --> 00:20:39.440 Fort Worth Drive as 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:43.549 well. I'm not exactly sure when it's slated to begin but 00:20:43.549 --> 00:20:45.000 there are going to 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.490 be improvements to that or those intersections as well in 00:20:48.490 --> 00:20:49.200 terms of 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:53.309 signalization of Country Club and Ryan Road. All we can ask 00:20:53.309 --> 00:20:54.680 them to do is cost 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:58.519 contribute their fair share for those intersections 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:00.279 whenever a development 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.029 comes in within the vicinity of that intersection and it's 00:21:03.029 --> 00:21:03.880 just really up to 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:08.190 the city to supplement it. So the city is saying that you 00:21:08.190 --> 00:21:08.960 're looking to the 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:11.910 developers to do something and you won't do anything until 00:21:11.910 --> 00:21:14.480 they participate? It's 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:17.119 a requirement for them to cost participate towards those 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:17.799 improvements. 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:21.839 Okay. But unless it's a significant development and they 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:23.440 are willing to go 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:27.990 ahead and construct it like for example Razor Ranch, went 00:21:27.990 --> 00:21:28.240 ahead and 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:30.759 constructed signals along. We have approved number of 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:31.480 developments along 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:35.119 Ryan and along Hickory Creek and we've not seen anything 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:36.440 that suggests 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:39.200 what's going to happen to the traffic of those additional 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:40.079 home sites and 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:44.160 developments on other city streets and it seems to be the 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:45.640 vacant part of all the 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:49.640 discussion. Well the city roadways, we analyzed the city 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:50.319 roadways when those 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:53.119 developments came in and they've named at the minimum level 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:54.279 of service. It's 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:58.039 the TechSot roadways that we have the problems with mainly 00:21:58.039 --> 00:21:59.839 because Teasley 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:02.259 right now is a two-lane roadway. It's slated to be a six 00:22:02.259 --> 00:22:04.039 lane but we're at the 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:08.880 mercy of TechSot schedule. I appreciate your answers. I did 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:09.960 that for some of our 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:12.640 new members because we've been having this discussion on 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:13.599 traffic in Teasley 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:17.200 and all that part of development there for at least my 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:17.799 tenure on the 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:21.779 Commission. So we still have a lot of answers that we need 00:22:21.779 --> 00:22:23.319 to get and it's 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:25.799 just I believe the traffic is going to get worse and worse 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:27.119 because of a number 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:29.640 of homes and developments that we've approved in there 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:31.000 without making any 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:34.349 adjustments to the traffic flow. I agree. I mean I think 00:22:34.349 --> 00:22:36.079 once Teasley gets widened into the six lanes 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:39.720 it'll alleviate a lot of that traffic at least from my 00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:41.279 thoroughfare standpoint. 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:44.880 I'm on the main corridor there. I think we have another 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:45.880 question. Commissioner Taylor? 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:50.160 Just a brief follow-up. What is the expected date of 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:51.519 completion of the 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:56.970 TechSot widening of Teasley lane? Completion or start? Let 00:22:56.970 --> 00:22:58.559 's start with the start. 00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:03.809 We'll start with the start. Start is I believe it's August 00:23:03.809 --> 00:23:07.240 2017. From Lillian 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:12.150 Miller to 2499 I believe is the scope of that work. Complet 00:23:12.150 --> 00:23:13.799 ion is about three to 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:20.720 five years. So sometime between 2017 and 2021-22 this will 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:21.440 be complete and 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:25.759 you'll have a median and ride in ride outs. 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:33.200 Commissioner Rossell? This might be for Miss Wyatt. Can you 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:34.640 explain the change 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:38.109 and the first plat in this plat you said is about detain 00:23:38.109 --> 00:23:39.599 ment? Can you elaborate on that? 00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:45.200 They originally were going to detain any runoff underneath 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:46.880 the site. 00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:50.099 When they got the cost estimates of that they elected to go 00:23:50.099 --> 00:23:51.200 ahead and detain on 00:23:51.200 --> 00:24:00.740 site. So that's what's changed. Thank you. Any other 00:24:00.740 --> 00:24:03.680 questions on this item? 00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:08.460 Amber are you ready to? Yeah I am and thanks for waiting. 00:24:08.460 --> 00:24:12.640 We're one car family with two kids and a lot of after- 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:14.640 school activities. 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:18.410 So sorry I was late. Thank you. We're gonna back up then 00:24:18.410 --> 00:24:19.799 and catch the Robson 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.569 Ranch item I think. Yes thank you. So I just had two 00:24:23.569 --> 00:24:25.759 questions. We haven't even 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:30.359 had any talk on that. Who's going to present that? 00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:36.430 So this is a Robson Ranch unit 10-2. You've seen the 00:24:36.430 --> 00:24:38.720 preliminary plat. 10-1 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:43.509 which is another part of this unit 10 has been approved the 00:24:43.509 --> 00:24:44.599 final plat. So this 00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:49.549 is the final plat for 10-2 for residential development and 00:24:49.549 --> 00:24:50.000 open space 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:57.359 lots as well. Commissioner Bugele? Thank you Chair. Miss 00:24:57.359 --> 00:24:58.420 Wyatt I have two 00:24:58.420 --> 00:25:02.980 questions. The first one is I see there are and I was 00:25:02.980 --> 00:25:04.920 looking for like a key or 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.519 something. There are some letters with circles around them 00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:09.119 and some of these 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:13.509 lots for example lot 63 has a letter I with a circle around 00:25:13.509 --> 00:25:16.319 it 28 has an H with 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:19.819 the circle. 51 has got an I again. I thought I saw an E on 00:25:19.819 --> 00:25:20.319 there. I've just 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:22.130 I've never seen that on these plats before and I was 00:25:22.130 --> 00:25:23.119 looking for a key. I was 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:26.559 just kind of curious what those are the blocks. Oh thank 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:28.400 you. It is somewhat 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:31.740 unclear and if you'd like I could have the applicant add 00:25:31.740 --> 00:25:33.359 block to those if it 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:36.000 wouldn't add more clarity to it. No it's fine. I was just 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:37.359 looking I didn't understand why 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:40.410 there were why that was there. I hadn't seen that. I can 00:25:40.410 --> 00:25:41.200 see how that would be 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.400 unclear. Okay thank you and the second question is I'm 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:46.759 curious I've seen on on 00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:51.329 other plats we're starting to now put in gas wells even if 00:25:51.329 --> 00:25:52.440 they're not 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:54.890 specifically to that development but if they're in the 00:25:54.890 --> 00:25:55.720 proximity of the 00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:58.400 neighborhood they're kind of grayed out and we can see them 00:25:58.400 --> 00:25:59.119 and I know that 00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:02.029 there are gas wells at Robeson Ranch. I didn't see anything 00:26:02.029 --> 00:26:02.920 like that on this 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:04.980 plat and I was curious is that because it's an MPC and 00:26:04.980 --> 00:26:05.759 therefore it's not 00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:15.559 required or clarify that. There is a gas well a gas park is 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:16.279 what they're called in 00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:19.750 Robeson Ranch. It's adjacent to the property so it's not on 00:26:19.750 --> 00:26:20.960 this exact 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:24.480 property so we didn't include it in the plat. But I've seen 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:25.720 that even when it's 00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:28.369 not included on that specific development if there's a 00:26:28.369 --> 00:26:29.079 development 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:32.799 nearby I've seen that grayed out on other plats just to 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:33.720 show that there is 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:37.759 something in the area. Am I I'm not imagining that we've 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:38.640 seen that before. No 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.259 I don't believe you are imagining that I think what we were 00:26:41.259 --> 00:26:42.720 talking of what we've 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:46.730 seen in the past where you saw a an as built or shaded in 00:26:46.730 --> 00:26:47.940 location of an 00:26:47.940 --> 00:26:51.410 existing gas well in relation to the overall site. That's 00:26:51.410 --> 00:26:52.000 exactly in this 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:54.619 instance we have a planned development district and we have 00:26:54.619 --> 00:26:55.480 a separate detail 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:59.730 plan for the gas well park so the conditions that dictate 00:26:59.730 --> 00:27:00.440 both are 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.269 different. Right so it's why you see it this way. It's not 00:27:03.269 --> 00:27:03.960 necessary it's not 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.859 required. Right we're not in error with this plot nor we 00:27:07.859 --> 00:27:08.960 are in error with the 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:14.160 other. Okay that answers my question thank you. Any other 00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:14.519 questions? 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:18.029 Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. Could you put that 00:27:18.029 --> 00:27:19.279 drawing back up there that 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:29.440 showed the gas part? Okay. Right the proximity of that part 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:31.359 to the area that's going to be 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:36.009 developed seems pretty close is that within the back sets? 00:27:36.009 --> 00:27:36.720 It meets the 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:40.779 requirements of the Robeson Ranch plan development. They 00:27:40.779 --> 00:27:42.839 have a separate set 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:46.440 of rules for their gas parks and this does meet their 00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:47.599 requirements for 00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:54.880 separation. Okay so Denton's guidelines don't fall in here? 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:56.079 I'm going to call up 00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:58.099 Darren Grove just so he can give you a little more 00:27:58.099 --> 00:27:59.319 background on it might make 00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:07.099 it a little clearer. Okay yeah the Robeson PD addresses set 00:28:07.099 --> 00:28:08.480 backs and so what we did 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:12.119 here recently in August was adopt an ordinance that 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:13.680 addresses if a master 00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:16.539 plan community or plan development were to change any of 00:28:16.539 --> 00:28:17.920 their zoning documents 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:20.910 they would actually have to come in with a unified plan and 00:28:20.910 --> 00:28:22.039 address the setbacks 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:25.109 with the gas well operator and the surface developer. Since 00:28:25.109 --> 00:28:25.859 this is still a 00:28:25.859 --> 00:28:28.109 plat and not addressing the zoning as we all pointed out in 00:28:28.109 --> 00:28:29.880 the last answer the 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:35.200 plat isn't in conflict with our new ordinance because the 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:36.279 previous PD would 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:39.789 still apply and in that PD there was only a 100 foot set 00:28:39.789 --> 00:28:42.079 back so it definitely 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:46.599 meets that. Right now we would have a different set of 00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:47.640 regulations if they 00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:51.150 were going through a zoning change and I think one of the 00:28:51.150 --> 00:28:52.720 examples was probably 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:55.210 Sophie's case previously where the zoning ordinance 00:28:55.210 --> 00:28:56.319 actually required the 00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.390 plat to show those so again the zoning change would be the 00:28:59.390 --> 00:29:00.400 key here this is a 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.559 plat that we're addressing. And the zoning change would 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:04.640 come through this 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:09.799 committee. Yes sir. Okay so my question so it's only a 00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:12.720 hundred feet then. Correct. 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:17.680 And we've got minimum on new homes I believe is 500 feet 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:18.559 when you're building 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:22.079 a new area. A new home to an existing drilling and 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:23.920 production site outside of a 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:27.609 PD except for that unifying plan would be a 250 foot 00:29:27.609 --> 00:29:29.480 distance okay except for the 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:33.519 structure to any pieces of equipment that would hold 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:35.240 explosive liquids or 00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:39.730 gases that would be 300 feet. So are we gonna have problems 00:29:39.730 --> 00:29:41.000 with this when they 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.650 start building homes then? Is this still outside the 250? 00:29:45.650 --> 00:29:48.079 It won't be a problem 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.569 because of the set of separation standards that they will 00:29:51.569 --> 00:29:52.519 be developing 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.349 under until Robeson were to come in and amend the plan 00:29:56.349 --> 00:29:59.160 development itself then we 00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:01.839 would get that unified plan that would address the setbacks 00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:03.240 either to today's 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:08.920 250 foot or even greater in some examples but the 100 foot 00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:09.480 distance is 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:11.660 what they will develop under so it won't be a conflict with 00:30:11.660 --> 00:30:12.279 the ordinance 00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.430 because they're still going to be building under the 00:30:15.430 --> 00:30:16.640 initial Robeson PD 00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:22.589 that was adopted in 1999. Maybe this is not the place or 00:30:22.589 --> 00:30:23.480 the time to ask this 00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.029 question but again one of the concerns about when you're 00:30:26.029 --> 00:30:26.559 doing new 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:31.660 developments and it has to meet this minimum requirement 00:30:31.660 --> 00:30:33.160 was there something 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:35.480 about homeowners being notified when you go in and buy a 00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:36.400 new home in their new 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:40.160 planned community that they're to be notified that hey you 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:41.920 live within 250, 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:46.319 500 feet of gas well is that something we address here? 00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:48.039 Well that's correct and 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:53.140 it's actually part of Robeson's management plan so they do 00:30:53.140 --> 00:30:53.720 notify 00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:56.779 homeowners of that again through the zoning but if that 00:30:56.779 --> 00:30:57.920 zoning were to ever 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:00.710 be amended then we would have the opportunity to get a 00:31:00.710 --> 00:31:02.359 unified plan that 00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:05.240 the surface developer which I think is Robeson development 00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:06.279 and in this case the 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:10.079 operator would would come in and set new setback distance 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:11.599 and all of the new 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.960 ordinance would kind of then be triggered. Thank you. I 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:16.720 think maybe 00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:19.539 Darren can maybe clarify this I think maybe the issue is 00:31:19.539 --> 00:31:20.440 this because this is 00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:23.490 a master plan community even though it's a small section 00:31:23.490 --> 00:31:25.279 that's being brought 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:28.960 before us it is just a small piece of something that was 00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:30.160 done many years ago 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.230 and the rules and the guidelines for that were set in place 00:31:33.230 --> 00:31:34.240 so to your point 00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.240 even though we have new gas well regulations those affect 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:38.599 new 00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:42.759 developments this is a old development that is a master 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:43.599 plan development that 00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:45.900 has already got the criteria and it's already been pre- 00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:46.960 approved and I think 00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:50.450 maybe that's the distinction where is that why are we not 00:31:50.450 --> 00:31:51.440 doing it here and 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:55.069 and there may want to even clear that even better than what 00:31:55.069 --> 00:31:56.039 I just stated. 00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.160 That's a good point Chairman and one of the things that 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:01.920 will will possibly change 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.059 is if that operator came in and it modified that large- 00:32:05.059 --> 00:32:06.359 scale development so 00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:09.779 again we're looking at one little piece that has pointed 00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:11.039 out so that's kind of 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:14.240 part of the confusion. Because of the time frame on it our 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:14.319 answers are still coming in. 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.359 Well it's an existing project and so it kind of goes to 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:19.599 unfortunately some of the 00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:21.490 new members may have missed some of the things that have to 00:32:21.490 --> 00:32:22.000 do with called 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.509 vesting and I think kind of goes to Commissioner Hussbuss 00:32:25.509 --> 00:32:26.480 questions earlier 00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:29.240 as you go through the process once you begin the process 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:30.240 these are the rules 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:34.160 that you work under and so this project was begun a long 00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:35.440 time ago and the rules 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.609 were set for it and there as long as they work under those 00:32:37.609 --> 00:32:38.319 rules and don't 00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.029 make a large change or a zoning change that would trigger 00:32:41.029 --> 00:32:42.000 them to come under 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.410 the new rules they work under the rules when their project 00:32:45.410 --> 00:32:46.160 was originally 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:50.700 approved. On new projects once those begin whatever the 00:32:50.700 --> 00:32:52.400 rules the laws that 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:56.759 we have in place follow that at that time and same thing in 00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:57.359 the future and 00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.599 it's somewhat of a grandfather investing because existing 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:02.440 properties you know if 00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:05.660 we make a new ordinance we can't go back so well you have 00:33:05.660 --> 00:33:07.039 to do an energy update 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.859 on your home because new homes now have to be done this way 00:33:09.859 --> 00:33:10.759 and it's the same 00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:13.400 type of a principle on a development standpoint if that 00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:14.799 makes sense as to why 00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:18.069 it follows some places and others and it's taken the rest 00:33:18.069 --> 00:33:19.000 of us a while to 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.680 understand why does it happen here and not at other places 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:23.680 and that's the 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.359 reason on this deal. I would just like to make a point for 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.359 the record that that was just a 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:32.809 general overview of our vesting process and may or may not 00:33:32.809 --> 00:33:33.799 apply to a particular 00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:36.799 piece of property and the chairman is not passing judgment 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:37.359 on whether or not 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:41.000 this particular applicant has vested rights. Thank you for 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:43.920 the clarification. 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:50.579 All right I think we have now addressed all of the consent 00:33:50.579 --> 00:33:55.920 agenda items. I think 00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:58.329 do we need to have any discussion about what we're doing on 00:33:58.329 --> 00:33:59.079 the individual 00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:05.119 consideration? No? Okay. I don't know how long 00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.200 presentations will be on these do we 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.639 need to do food now or do we want to go ahead and get a few 00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:10.480 of these out of way 00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:14.079 and then do food? If I could make a suggestion not a 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:15.320 recommendation but we 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:20.719 have items 5a and 5b they're very straightforward standard 00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.480 replants they 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.239 don't warrant discussion in my mind but if there are any 00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:26.440 questions that the team 00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:29.079 or the the Commission feels that they want to bring up we 00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:30.119 can do that however I 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.480 would advise that we jump into our zoning change request 00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:33.079 and go through 00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:37.650 those they're they're pretty lengthy and I'd like to knock 00:34:37.650 --> 00:34:41.039 those out. I was 00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:44.090 thinking maybe if we could be done by 6 15 we would have 15 00:34:44.090 --> 00:34:47.239 minutes of free time. 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:52.039 Okay if we can if not then we can okay we'll go ahead and 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:52.940 get whatever the 00:34:52.940 --> 00:34:55.239 pleasure of the Commission. We'll take your recommendation 00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:56.000 we'll go ahead and 00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:03.920 does anybody have questions on items public hearing a or b? 00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:05.920 No? Seeing none 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:10.219 then we're going to go ahead and move on to item C and Man 00:35:10.219 --> 00:35:10.760 al who will make that 00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:17.570 presentation. Item C is a request for a zoning change from 00:35:17.570 --> 00:35:20.119 PD 12 to RCCD I'm 00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.849 going to ask Julie Wyatt to make that presentation on 00:35:22.849 --> 00:35:23.920 behalf of Mike Bell. 00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:31.599 Thank you Julie. Good evening Julie Wyatt associate planner 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:32.119 with the city of 00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:37.039 Denton I'm presenting Z15-5 Toyota of Denton. The request 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:37.760 before you is to 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:41.909 consider rezoning the subject property out of PD 12 and 00:35:41.909 --> 00:35:43.360 into a regional center 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.869 commercial downtown zoning district the site's 00:35:46.869 --> 00:35:49.739 approximately 15 acres. Just to 00:35:49.739 --> 00:35:53.889 orient you it is located on I-35 here is State School Road 00:35:53.889 --> 00:35:55.079 so it's south of 00:35:55.079 --> 00:36:00.539 State School and Post Oak is down in this area. A little 00:36:00.539 --> 00:36:01.920 bit of background the 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:05.730 original PD 12 was created in 1980 and it originally 00:36:05.730 --> 00:36:07.719 encompassed 109 acres and 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:14.159 you can see it there in the green. In 1986 the concept plan 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:14.940 was amended for 00:36:14.940 --> 00:36:18.989 74 acres and I know y'all went over PDs a couple of 00:36:18.989 --> 00:36:20.840 sessions ago but just to 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:24.070 just to refresh your memory there's kind of a two-step 00:36:24.070 --> 00:36:26.000 process to the zoning of 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:29.159 a PD would be the concept plan which kind of lays out the 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:30.320 uses where those 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.809 would go and then the second part is the detail plan which 00:36:33.809 --> 00:36:34.860 looks at more of a 00:36:34.860 --> 00:36:37.289 site specific where the parking would go where the 00:36:37.289 --> 00:36:38.719 buildings would go the open 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:42.539 areas so the concept plan was for this PD was amended in 00:36:42.539 --> 00:36:44.519 1986 to change where 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:48.369 some of the uses would be and what those uses would be. The 00:36:48.369 --> 00:36:49.960 concept plan was then 00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:55.409 amended again in 87 for 43 of those acres and then in 2001 00:36:55.409 --> 00:36:57.239 and 2004 detail 00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.909 plans were approved for both Toyota and Honda which are the 00:37:00.909 --> 00:37:01.920 sites in question 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:07.599 tonight and the zoning map has changed since that time so 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:09.199 so here is the 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.960 original PD 12 here's what's left of it to the north 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:14.159 adjacent to State School 00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:17.630 that was rezoned out of the PD in 1999 and then the 00:37:17.630 --> 00:37:19.079 property adjacent to the 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:24.719 subject site was was zoned out of the PD in 2005. The site 00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:26.000 is located in a 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:30.119 regional mixed-use future land use designation at per the 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:31.599 Denton plan 2030 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:35.849 this area is intended to have high density residential 00:37:35.849 --> 00:37:37.400 urban form commercial 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:41.409 development that's supposed to draw in people not just from 00:37:41.409 --> 00:37:42.679 its specific area 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:47.329 but from the greater region so it's supposed to have a 00:37:47.329 --> 00:37:49.159 larger draw. The way 00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.760 the property has developed with the Honda and the D and the 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:53.800 Toyota dealerships 00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:57.679 it really does meet this future land use designation 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:02.280 require goal and intent. Back 00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:07.380 to the background in 2001 the detail plan for Toyota did 00:38:07.380 --> 00:38:08.119 also have some 00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:13.219 conditions those included conditions regarding lighting 00:38:13.219 --> 00:38:14.119 irrigation for 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.630 landscaping the public address speakers and then some 00:38:17.630 --> 00:38:18.920 additional conditions 00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:21.239 regarding the construction of the site where the temporary 00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:22.039 sales office would 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:26.469 be and then and then the trees. Honda also had some 00:38:26.469 --> 00:38:28.679 conditions also included 00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.139 lighting the public address speakers and then also 00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:32.280 addressed some future 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:36.969 development in a detention pond on the site. So when staff 00:38:36.969 --> 00:38:38.519 analyzed this request 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:41.510 we looked at some condition or some considerations. First 00:38:41.510 --> 00:38:42.119 the site is 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.880 developed consistent with the RCCD zoning designation which 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:46.440 they are 00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.909 proposing. It is also developed in accordance with the 00:38:49.909 --> 00:38:50.920 future land use 00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:56.400 designation so it meets those requirements. Second 00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:57.360 consideration was 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.389 that the approval of this would remove the conditions that 00:39:00.389 --> 00:39:01.199 were set on the 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:05.110 site with the approval of the detail plans. But when we 00:39:05.110 --> 00:39:06.360 look deeper at that we 00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:08.650 saw that four of the conditions were related to the 00:39:08.650 --> 00:39:09.920 original construction and 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:13.389 really are no longer applicable. That lighting is now 00:39:13.389 --> 00:39:14.579 regulated with the dent 00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:17.739 and development code in sub chapter 13 and it really does 00:39:17.739 --> 00:39:18.679 meet the intent it 00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:21.650 shields the the adjacent property owners as well as the 00:39:21.650 --> 00:39:22.800 night sky those are the 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:26.719 requirements of the dent development code. The noise is now 00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:28.079 addressed in the 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.590 code of ordinances and the detention pond that was 00:39:31.590 --> 00:39:33.760 addressed is heavily 00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.639 encumbered by easements and if they were to develop that 00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:38.000 that plat what you would 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:41.510 have to be replatted and that would come before this 00:39:41.510 --> 00:39:43.880 Commission. So the request 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:48.590 does meet the criteria for rezoning in the DDC and that 00:39:48.590 --> 00:39:49.619 criteria for approval 00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:53.420 is is located in sub chapter 3 and first that the proposed 00:39:53.420 --> 00:39:54.679 rezoning meets the 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:58.690 the future land use element in the dent and plan 2030 and 00:39:58.690 --> 00:39:59.880 that also the proposed 00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:02.039 rezoning facilitates the adequate provision of 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:03.599 transportation, water, sewer 00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:08.730 schools, other public requirements. Public notification was 00:40:08.730 --> 00:40:10.360 sent out. We have not 00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:14.429 received any responses in opposition or in favor. So based 00:40:14.429 --> 00:40:15.280 upon the 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:18.510 considerations presented and the criteria for approval 00:40:18.510 --> 00:40:19.199 staff does 00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:25.199 recommend approval of this rezoning. I'll stand for any 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:25.239 questions. 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:29.940 Commissioner Begg. Thank you Chair. And this is just a I 00:40:29.940 --> 00:40:31.559 guess a general question so 00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:37.510 this is land the owner is TT of Denton Incorporated? Is 00:40:37.510 --> 00:40:38.239 that that's what it's 00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:42.840 showing here? Yes sir. Okay and so Toyota and Honda are le 00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:45.440 asing from them? I'm not 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:50.539 quite sure how how their business structure is set out. We 00:40:50.539 --> 00:40:51.440 have to make 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:55.500 sure that the owner of the property is is requesting the 00:40:55.500 --> 00:40:56.920 rezoning so if the 00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:59.949 owner is requesting the zoning then the rezoning can move 00:40:59.949 --> 00:41:02.000 forward. Did he by any 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:04.739 chance give any indication I mean why would want to rezone 00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:06.000 it? Has he got some 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:09.159 ideas in mind? Well I spoke with the project manager on 00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:10.119 that because I thought 00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:13.280 that would be a question that I would get and you know 00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:14.559 these aren't a plan 00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:17.789 development and when those detailed plans were approved a 00:41:17.789 --> 00:41:18.599 site plan was 00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:22.800 tied to that as well as elevations and other specifics to 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:24.079 the site. The sites 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:26.630 have now been developed and in some cases they've they've 00:41:26.630 --> 00:41:27.480 done some tweaks 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:31.230 and some redevelopment which is required because it's a PD 00:41:31.230 --> 00:41:31.920 to go back 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:34.840 through the zoning process if they want to make changes to 00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:35.840 say elevations or 00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:40.940 change some of the parking area and so in order to simplify 00:41:40.940 --> 00:41:42.079 and provide a 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:45.679 little more flexibility for the applicant the RCCD does 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:46.559 meet the future 00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.789 land use element and it does conform to that zoning so you 00:41:50.789 --> 00:41:52.280 know we worked with 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:55.349 them and felt like that was an appropriate way for them to 00:41:55.349 --> 00:41:55.679 move 00:41:55.679 --> 00:42:00.840 forward. Does that answer your question? I think so. He 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:06.079 just indicated though that this opened up the opportunity 00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:09.119 as a regional activity center is 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:13.119 considerably larger more diverse its land use it includes 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:17.079 vertically integrated uses so we're talking about. He could 00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:22.880 it could redevelop in accordance with the with that zoning 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:23.800 designation yes sir. 00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:26.500 Okay but he hadn't given us any idea. We have not been 00:42:26.500 --> 00:42:32.800 given an indication that that's what we have. Thank you. 00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.880 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you Chair. I just wanted to add 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:36.079 a little 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:40.199 clarification on this too whenever we was it earlier this 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:41.360 year or last year we 00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:45.079 had a case before us on adjusting the site plan and they 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:46.599 wanted to change the 00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.539 shrubbery but that's a change to the site plan the way the 00:42:49.539 --> 00:42:50.559 PD was written they 00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:54.699 had to come to P&Z and I think I was among several members 00:42:54.699 --> 00:42:55.579 of the Commission 00:42:55.579 --> 00:42:58.440 who suggested it would be better to just rezone it out of a 00:42:58.440 --> 00:42:59.199 PD and into an 00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:03.900 appropriate zoning category. In my opinion a lot of times 00:43:03.900 --> 00:43:04.920 plan developments 00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:08.969 were used as a quick and easy way to get the use that a 00:43:08.969 --> 00:43:11.559 landowner needed or maybe 00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:14.239 they had a parcel of land and they wanted half of it in one 00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:15.039 use and half of 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:18.420 it in another use they would put together a PD with a site 00:43:18.420 --> 00:43:19.360 plan and get it 00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.800 sold you know get it get it through planning and zoning 00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:23.159 back 10 20 30 years 00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:27.409 ago and they would build the project but then they wrote 00:43:27.409 --> 00:43:28.280 the PD so 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:32.199 restrictively there is only one valid use it has things 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:33.079 like shrubbery on the 00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:36.940 site plan it requires you know an application to move a 00:43:36.940 --> 00:43:38.280 tree things like 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:45.119 that so often PDs were not well managed and now 30 years 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:45.960 later or 40 years later 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:49.840 you have something that's designed for 1980 and doesn't 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:51.039 meet any of our current 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.739 standards and by law they can't do anything about it they 00:43:53.739 --> 00:43:54.559 have to that's 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:56.960 the only thing they're allowed to do. So this kind of 00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:58.440 changes keeps him from being 00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:01.449 hamstrung on every little change. Yeah and I feel 00:44:01.449 --> 00:44:02.679 personally I feel like this 00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:05.940 moves it into a more appropriate and they could they're 00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:06.960 probably not going to 00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.039 change the car dealership anytime soon but if they wanted 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:10.000 to 10 years from now 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:13.679 they could do put some of their use on there but they could 00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:14.280 change their 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.570 shrubbery or move a building or you know things like that 00:44:17.570 --> 00:44:18.440 put up an entryway 00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:25.170 which would require an active. Well to add to that I think 00:44:25.170 --> 00:44:26.320 it it makes the 00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:30.969 developers project much easier to move it removes a step 00:44:30.969 --> 00:44:31.900 they still have to 00:44:31.900 --> 00:44:34.440 meet all of our ordinance from a building inspections and a 00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:35.000 construction 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.510 standpoint so they basically skip coming before us and go 00:44:38.510 --> 00:44:39.960 strictly to building 00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.940 inspections and and make whatever change they need to make 00:44:43.940 --> 00:44:45.079 as long as it is in 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:49.489 accordance with ordinances so it's just as a easier we're 00:44:49.489 --> 00:44:50.159 not having to see 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:54.949 every single change because it's a PD. Any other questions 00:44:54.949 --> 00:44:55.679 on this particular 00:44:55.679 --> 00:45:05.199 item? Okay I'll move on to item D. Judy White still gonna 00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.960 stand there and make this one as well. 00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:14.559 All right this is Z1525 loves travel stop. This request is 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:15.280 to consider making 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:18.170 a recommendation to City Council regarding a rezoning from 00:45:18.170 --> 00:45:18.719 regional 00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:22.610 center commercial neighborhood to employment center and 00:45:22.610 --> 00:45:23.599 commercial on 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:30.050 approximately 15-16 acres. The subject property is located 00:45:30.050 --> 00:45:30.960 on the north side of 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:35.639 the city it is here's I-35 and here's Bartold Road so it's 00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:37.960 on the north side. 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:41.570 Some background originally the site was a truck stop car 00:45:41.570 --> 00:45:42.800 wash convenience store 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:46.690 warehouse and truck storage as you might know it burned in 00:45:46.690 --> 00:45:48.480 2008 the convenience 00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:52.869 store did so it's so it's been in that condition you know 00:45:52.869 --> 00:45:54.400 since then ready for 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:58.559 redevelopment so in light of that staff met with the 00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:00.880 applicant in 2013 to 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:04.090 discuss the redevelopment of the site into a truck stop 00:46:04.090 --> 00:46:05.360 which the uses would 00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:08.389 include a convenience store, gasoline sales, restaurants 00:46:08.389 --> 00:46:11.440 and also truck repair. 00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:17.389 Because truck repair is not permitted in the current zoning 00:46:17.389 --> 00:46:18.920 district staff at 00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:23.239 that time in 2013 recommended that they pursue an RCCD 00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:24.639 zoning district because 00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:30.590 it was consistent with the Denton plan 1999 that area was 00:46:30.590 --> 00:46:32.360 was considered to be 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:36.789 a regional mixed-use area for that future land use map and 00:46:36.789 --> 00:46:38.039 so the RCCD fit 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:42.449 within that but also permitted the vehicle repair. Fast 00:46:42.449 --> 00:46:45.159 forward in 2014 we 00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:49.099 approved the Denton plan 2030 and we changed the future 00:46:49.099 --> 00:46:50.440 land use designation 00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:54.510 of this property to business innovation and just a little 00:46:54.510 --> 00:46:55.840 bit of history on that 00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:02.170 this area was designated as a regional center in 1998 I'm 00:47:02.170 --> 00:47:05.360 sorry 1988 and it was 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:07.420 one of two so it was there was Golden Triangle Mall and 00:47:07.420 --> 00:47:08.199 then there was this 00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:12.650 area so they were anticipating that this would grow in a 00:47:12.650 --> 00:47:14.960 regional way after that 00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:18.469 a third regional center was added at I-35 and John Payne in 00:47:18.469 --> 00:47:19.920 1999 and Razor 00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.170 Ranch was then added in 2007 and then when you include 00:47:23.170 --> 00:47:24.239 downtown of that that's 00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:29.760 four regional centers and in doing the analysis for the 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.059 comprehensive plan it 00:47:32.059 --> 00:47:35.300 was determined that Denton probably couldn't support four 00:47:35.300 --> 00:47:36.679 regional commercial 00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:40.280 centers so that's why they changed it to the business 00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:41.679 innovation and the changes 00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:44.320 or the differences are that the regional mixed-use which is 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:45.039 what it was before 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:48.940 was intended to promote high-density residential walkable 00:47:48.940 --> 00:47:50.440 urban area and a lot 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:54.039 of commercial shopping areas. Business innovation changes 00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:55.280 that to be promote 00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:58.880 more employment centers but also keep that that commercial 00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:00.039 element in order to 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:03.199 support those employment areas so it sort of takes out the 00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:04.239 the residential 00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:09.079 component. So then when we compare RCCN which is what it's 00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:10.539 owned as today to the 00:48:10.539 --> 00:48:16.309 proposed ECC both of them really permit the same commercial 00:48:16.309 --> 00:48:18.159 uses RCCN does 00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:22.710 permit the high-density multifamily whereas ECC permits 00:48:22.710 --> 00:48:23.679 light industrial but 00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:27.019 removes that multifamily so it's more consistent and in 00:48:27.019 --> 00:48:28.239 line with the future 00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:33.909 land use. So the considerations we looked at first this 00:48:33.909 --> 00:48:34.960 site has historically 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:38.760 been a truck stop this area is ideal for this type of use 00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:39.880 it's the northern 00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:44.179 gateway to the city it's got it's got good access for the 00:48:44.179 --> 00:48:45.719 end user so it's it's 00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:51.809 an appropriate use for the area until the DDC is updated to 00:48:51.809 --> 00:48:53.440 be more in line 00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:57.590 with the new comprehensive plan. The ECC zoning is is 00:48:57.590 --> 00:48:59.119 consistent with that 00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:02.380 business innovation future land use element. The 00:49:02.380 --> 00:49:04.119 surrounding uses are 00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:08.010 primarily agricultural or commercial so it's not 00:49:08.010 --> 00:49:09.639 anticipated since there's no 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:12.320 residential it's not anticipated that this use would would 00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:13.119 have an impact on 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:16.789 the adjacent properties. Once again the criteria for appro 00:49:16.789 --> 00:49:18.000 vals in subchapter 3 00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:21.159 first the rezoning must be consistent with the future land 00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:22.320 use designation of 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:24.480 the property and that it must facilitate the adequate 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:25.079 provision of 00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:27.769 transportation water sewer schools and other public 00:49:27.769 --> 00:49:30.079 requirements. It does meet 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:33.900 both of those requirements for for criteria for approval. 00:49:33.900 --> 00:49:34.380 Public 00:49:34.380 --> 00:49:39.619 notification it was sent out we have not received I take 00:49:39.619 --> 00:49:43.440 that back I looked on 00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:50.039 Mike's desk today and there were we received one letter 00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:51.539 neither in opposition 00:49:51.539 --> 00:49:54.360 or in favor there is an adjacent property owner who maybe 00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:55.760 has concerns but 00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:00.239 they have not said favorably or unfavorably to the project. 00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:01.119 So based 00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:04.130 upon the considerations and the criteria for approval staff 00:50:04.130 --> 00:50:04.920 does recommend 00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:08.360 approval of this rezoning. 00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:14.469 Commissioner Dudowitz. Can you put up this slide with 00:50:14.469 --> 00:50:15.960 regard to the current 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:19.599 zoning for that whole area up there? Okay all right and 00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:21.800 that's current? Yes sir. Okay 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:27.440 across the road is TA which is a compatible I mean the same 00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:28.199 convenience 00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:32.050 store tire shop repair shop for trucks convenience store 00:50:32.050 --> 00:50:33.199 gas station. Yes sir. 00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:38.960 And that is now a RCCD. Okay so this would be consistent 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:41.360 with that? Well RCCD 00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:44.389 was actually more in line with the previous future land use 00:50:44.389 --> 00:50:45.360 designation and 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.389 that's why we did recommend that this applicant pursue that 00:50:49.389 --> 00:50:51.239 RCCD back in 2013 00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:56.360 however with the new comprehensive plan RCCD really isn't 00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:57.039 kind of what we're 00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:59.940 getting to is again we're gonna have to address this for 00:50:59.940 --> 00:51:00.679 the other side of the 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.880 road. Yes sir. 00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:11.079 Commissioner Bruegel. Thank you chair. Miss Wyatt there's a 00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:11.920 there's a residential 00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:17.980 home near this zoning request is that correct? I am not 00:51:17.980 --> 00:51:19.960 aware. Maybe I'm confusing. 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:29.280 To the left. Yep. I'm looking at Google map. Okay thank you 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.199 . So I was curious to know what kind of 00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:35.920 buffering requirements might be between this new this new 00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:37.239 zoning request and 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:42.840 that residents? Vehicle repair is considered a commercial 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:44.719 use and so let 00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:48.119 me get my code I want to verify. Okay. 00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:58.199 I think it's a type C but let me just verify. 00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:09.739 So commercial to single-family is a type C which is a 15 00:52:09.739 --> 00:52:11.559 foot planted strip 15 00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:17.510 foot landscape buffer. Okay. How 15 foot high? No 15 feet 00:52:17.510 --> 00:52:20.079 wide. It would require a 00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.519 combination of six evergreen and deciduous trees and 25 shr 00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:24.440 ubs per 100 00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:28.800 linear feet. Okay. Thank you. 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:33.570 Commissioner Tater. Thank you chair. Just wanted to clarify 00:52:33.570 --> 00:52:34.400 that there's this 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:39.250 little finger off of the bottom of that parcel shape and 00:52:39.250 --> 00:52:41.119 looking at the map it 00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:45.010 doesn't appear that are they purchasing an easement or 00:52:45.010 --> 00:52:46.519 purchasing a strip of land? 00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:52.920 That's a part of the property. It does sort of wrap around. 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:54.800 Just so I'm clear 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:58.230 that's that wrap around part is right at the edge of Foster 00:52:58.230 --> 00:52:59.599 's Western Ware? I 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:05.639 believe so. Okay. All right. Well I think that's the little 00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:07.119 white box down there. 00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:15.239 It is. That's Foster's. Commissioner Rosale. So I have some 00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.599 concerns about traffic in the area 00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:23.550 specifically during workday mornings highway 1173 coming in 00:53:23.550 --> 00:53:28.960 from Crum. Any of 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:34.280 the maps will work. There's a railroad track anyways on 11 00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:36.280 71 heading backwards 00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:41.219 and I know for one of my employees says it's backed up on 00:53:41.219 --> 00:53:43.840 1171 for individuals 00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:49.679 trying just to get on I-35 south above the loop. Is there a 00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:50.559 change of road 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:54.559 suggested? What is that white line? Barthold Road is 00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:55.440 actually going to be 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:59.190 realigned at some point and this is conceptual but it's 00:53:59.190 --> 00:54:00.159 going to line up 00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:04.719 with Elm at some point and I believe as a part of this 00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:06.119 development they'll be 00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:09.389 dedicating the right away for that. So it's actually going 00:54:09.389 --> 00:54:10.559 to hopefully improve 00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:17.949 the connectivity in the area in order to and Earl's gonna 00:54:17.949 --> 00:54:19.000 come up. 00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:24.619 Earl Escobar engineering. As part of the development when 00:54:24.619 --> 00:54:25.280 they come in for 00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:29.880 platting the requirement is going to be for them to realign 00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:31.199 Barthold Road to 00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:35.610 line up with the intersection of I-35 and 77 or Elm Street 00:54:35.610 --> 00:54:36.480 on the other side 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:40.929 there. That's a signalized intersection there so and right 00:54:40.929 --> 00:54:41.079 now 00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:44.730 Barthold just kind of tees into the service road. And what 00:54:44.730 --> 00:54:45.679 is it doing back 00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:50.769 to the highway 1173 to the south there? You know what is it 00:54:50.769 --> 00:54:51.360 connecting back 00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:55.050 there? Eventually it's going to this road is going to 00:54:55.050 --> 00:54:58.000 become 1173 and Barthold 00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:03.099 will eventually be part of converge into 1170 the new 00:55:03.099 --> 00:55:04.760 alignment of 1173. So 00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:07.780 everyone coming in from Crum on highway 1173 would be rer 00:55:07.780 --> 00:55:08.480 outed up to that 00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:12.360 signaled light? That's correct. And not be having to wait? 00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:14.079 Not into that T intersection. So as part of the 00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:17.400 loves development they're going to realign Barthold Road up 00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:18.159 to this corner 00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:20.880 here of their property. They're going to abandon the 00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:22.599 existing Barthold Road and 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:25.619 then then they're going to connect to the existing portion 00:55:25.619 --> 00:55:27.119 here. So 00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:31.519 essentially all the traffic will now be diverted into the 00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:32.239 signalized 00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:36.130 intersection and alleviate that traffic. So that partly 00:55:36.130 --> 00:55:37.360 addresses the issue 00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.239 because one of my issues is just the backup from warning 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:41.679 traffic on 1173 00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:45.150 from individuals from Crum heading either into Denton or 00:55:45.150 --> 00:55:45.800 through Denton 00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:49.960 down to Dallas. The other concern I have is I can't really 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:51.159 tell on this map but I 00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:55.949 estimated at that T&A about 90 semi trucks which back up 00:55:55.949 --> 00:55:57.480 southbound on Elm. 00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:04.039 So when they all exit TA on Elm it backs up there and it's 00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:05.000 it's nearly 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:09.030 impossible on average one to two trucks can get through 00:56:09.030 --> 00:56:10.440 that light to get on to 00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:14.190 I-35 south. Is there any thought of or is the I-35 00:56:14.190 --> 00:56:16.119 expansion going to solve that 00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:21.960 underpass because that underpass is quite small? 00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:23.679 Unfortunately the widening 00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:28.849 project in this area is not going to happen until 2000 I 00:56:28.849 --> 00:56:31.460 say 2030. Right now 00:56:31.460 --> 00:56:36.199 the current widening project stops at 380. So part of me 00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:37.320 thinks that some of 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:40.079 those 90 some odd trucks if they're heading south would 00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:41.119 just leverage the 00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:43.570 west side truck stop if it was available to them which 00:56:43.570 --> 00:56:44.800 could alleviate some of the 00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:46.400 traffic. It could alleviate now that they have a choice 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:48.119 between. Exactly so I think there is a 00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:51.559 benefit to that but I am still concerned about individuals 00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:52.599 the thoroughfare from 00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:56.519 Crum to Denton is around that intersection and adding the 00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:57.000 potential 00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:00.280 increased traffic in restaurants I think we're gonna funnel 00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:02.159 even more traffic to 00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:05.389 that real small underpass. Well there's also an opportunity 00:57:05.389 --> 00:57:06.599 we haven't dived into 00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:10.699 the traffic studies as well as part of their plotting 00:57:10.699 --> 00:57:12.440 process but I think one 00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:15.650 of the comments was to analyze the need for a dedicated 00:57:15.650 --> 00:57:16.880 right turn lane for 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:21.050 southbound Furnage Road on to I guess it's still be Barthol 00:57:21.050 --> 00:57:22.679 road to alleviate 00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:28.900 I mean if the trucks wanted to enter or be served by the 00:57:28.900 --> 00:57:30.400 site that right turn 00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:33.269 light would free up that traffic and alleviate that through 00:57:33.269 --> 00:57:34.239 lane or possibly 00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:36.440 even the turn lane. And I don't want to go on a rabbit 00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:38.280 trails traffic but is 00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:41.139 there any plans for loop 288 to help access Crum in the 00:57:41.139 --> 00:57:41.920 future I know it's 00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:47.099 dead in there but I don't know the future of loop 288. As 00:57:47.099 --> 00:57:51.280 is. Okay thank you. 00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:57.500 Commissioner Hatchbeth. Can you help we're right at the 00:57:57.500 --> 00:57:59.960 northern edge of the 00:57:59.960 --> 00:58:04.989 city or am I off? Where are we do you know generally where 00:58:04.989 --> 00:58:05.800 we are where are 00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:16.260 the boundary for city of? It's right here here's ETJ. Okay. 00:58:16.260 --> 00:58:17.519 There is some that goes 00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:30.559 up 35 but. Okay and again not to digress on traffic but it 00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:32.280 almost seems worse in 00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:36.730 my opinion to have through traffic under the underpass 00:58:36.730 --> 00:58:39.360 because it gives more 00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:44.030 options. Right now you have to turn left and from that 00:58:44.030 --> 00:58:46.920 intersection 1173 you 00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:50.659 don't have to wait for a light so you can turn right in 00:58:50.659 --> 00:58:51.719 rapid succession 00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.579 versus having to wait at a light for what it's worth down 00:58:54.579 --> 00:58:55.679 the road when that 00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:58.440 conversation comes. I just think options do I want to go 00:58:58.440 --> 00:58:59.280 straight do I want to 00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:02.239 turn and I think what is there one lane there currently I 00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:04.039 mean that that would 00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:12.000 be cumbersome. Thank you. Any other questions on this item? 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:14.280 Okay we'll move 00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:21.989 on to this is going to be item E. Thank you I'm going to 00:59:21.989 --> 00:59:23.320 invite Ross Culbertson 00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:27.800 to make this presentation. Thank you Ross Culbertson senior 00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:30.400 planner. This is 00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:36.230 Pecan Park Z1524. This is a consideration before you for a 00:59:36.230 --> 00:59:38.280 rezoning to from 00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:41.070 neighborhood residential mixed use in our immune to 00:59:41.070 --> 00:59:42.599 neighborhood residential 00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:48.550 four on approximately 20 acres. To familiarize yourself 00:59:48.550 --> 00:59:49.639 with the site the 00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:53.519 zoning boundary under consideration is on the south side of 00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:54.519 East McKinney 00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:59.619 Street approximately 2,300 feet east of 4 Road which is 00:59:59.619 --> 01:00:01.159 here at this corner here 01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:08.039 in the north-south direction. Zoning request encompasses 20 01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:09.079 acres of an 01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:13.110 approximate 80 acre tract which is intended by the 01:00:13.110 --> 01:00:15.000 applicant for a complete 01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:18.030 single-family developed subdivision so you can see the 01:00:18.030 --> 01:00:19.239 division of where the 01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:23.269 boundary is today and what interests the property owner has 01:00:23.269 --> 01:00:24.840 . This map also is a 01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:28.829 good map to take a look at the natural and site context as 01:00:28.829 --> 01:00:30.000 you can see this is 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:37.079 in a rural area off east area of Denton where left there's 01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:39.059 very rural context 01:00:39.059 --> 01:00:43.849 with homesteads there's a existing mobile home park up this 01:00:43.849 --> 01:00:45.199 way ranchettes 01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:49.559 over to the east. I want to point out that this area has 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:50.440 some substantial 01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:55.940 trees and natural tree stands in the middle and the 01:00:55.940 --> 01:00:58.239 concrete runs to the 01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:04.480 south with some floodplain here over on the south side. 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:06.519 What we want to do to 01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:09.639 that tonight is look at the zoning which we want to the 01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:10.239 applicant wants to 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:14.659 rezone the NRMU portion as you can see in red over on this 01:01:14.659 --> 01:01:16.880 map includes a lot 01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:22.480 of leftover strip on the north side of McKinney and the 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:23.360 subject property in a 01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:27.639 little bit on the south side of McKinney with the intended 01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:29.480 in our four zoning 01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:32.460 that will effectively create one complete district one 01:01:32.460 --> 01:01:33.400 complete zoning 01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:40.110 district to NR4 which is more compatible for development. 01:01:40.110 --> 01:01:41.920 Again I kind of want to 01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:45.989 point out what the NRMU designation is this was completed 01:01:45.989 --> 01:01:47.039 and zoned this way 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:52.519 with the 2002 zoning update which has not developed to this 01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:53.559 intensity since 01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:58.440 that time and as you can see the intent was to create more 01:01:58.440 --> 01:01:59.719 of a encourage high 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:05.329 density residential with town homes and apartments create 01:02:05.329 --> 01:02:07.159 nodes of neighborhood 01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:12.599 retail office very kind of intense uses that would kind of 01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:14.000 support neighborhoods 01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:18.119 around there and this zoning district prohibits single- 01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:19.480 family units so 01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:24.019 that is a concern if someone was to redevelop single-family 01:02:24.019 --> 01:02:25.960 at this time. In 01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:28.389 our analysis we will look at the future land use plan and 01:02:28.389 --> 01:02:29.320 kind of see how that 01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:33.300 guides us. The future land use map indicates rural areas so 01:02:33.300 --> 01:02:34.119 I want to point 01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:38.650 that kind of the in-between boundary here between McKinney, 01:02:38.650 --> 01:02:40.039 McKinney Street and the 01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:46.099 Pekong Creek area is rural in nature. The current NRMU does 01:02:46.099 --> 01:02:47.400 not fit within the 01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:50.760 character of that existing low density residential and and 01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:51.960 so does we have to 01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:56.199 point out that the NR4 does not fit with respect to the low 01:02:56.199 --> 01:02:57.679 density rural context. 01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:02.619 We are going to make a case otherwise though. However NR4 01:03:02.619 --> 01:03:04.079 is more compatible 01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:09.840 with the future land use uses in the area and more suited 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:10.119 and more suited 01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:13.900 catalyst to spur future development. Essentially what we're 01:03:13.900 --> 01:03:14.679 looking at is 01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:19.539 we're not making any comprehensive plan map changes but 01:03:19.539 --> 01:03:21.840 essentially by rezoning 01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:30.789 this to NR4 we are kind of combining the the forces of 01:03:30.789 --> 01:03:31.599 residential 01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:34.570 development in this area which makes sense and staff is 01:03:34.570 --> 01:03:36.239 leaning is supporting 01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:40.760 that direction. This is the concept plan associated with 01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:42.760 the request we as a 01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:46.800 zoning we don't look at concept plans as guiding us but 01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:47.960 this is good information 01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:52.369 to show the intent of the development as a master plan 01:03:52.369 --> 01:03:54.440 community that is under a 01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.340 conservation and it shows effort towards a conservation 01:03:57.340 --> 01:03:58.639 development scheme a 01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:03.840 design idea which from the didn't plan encourages the cl 01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:05.199 ustering of lots 01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:10.710 reducing the full amount of developable area to maximize 01:04:10.710 --> 01:04:12.639 open space and since 01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:17.039 this property has beautiful pastoral areas that the 01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:19.519 applicant does find the 01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:22.599 need to maintain those areas and is designing a plan 01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:25.039 accordingly. So we 01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:31.840 create we consider that as a great great asset to the area. 01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:32.920 So under the 01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:37.440 considerations for you the NR4 zoning is more of an 01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:39.119 appropriate district to 01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:42.449 encourage low to moderate single-family units and to unify 01:04:42.449 --> 01:04:43.639 the entire property 01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:47.909 of the interest of the property developer. The land use 01:04:47.909 --> 01:04:49.000 pattern in this 01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:53.320 area has remained rural and has not necessitated the use 01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:54.760 uses permitted by 01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:59.699 NRMU zoning so logically we see that going through and then 01:04:59.699 --> 01:05:00.440 the conservation 01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:04.829 development design is a good response as a transitioning 01:05:04.829 --> 01:05:05.800 element for 01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:10.070 single-family development to be introduced in this area. We 01:05:10.070 --> 01:05:11.320 look at the 01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:17.269 didn't development plan sub chapter 3533 was list as in 01:05:17.269 --> 01:05:20.360 your backup report items 01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:25.849 A through E for criteria that do not conform to the future 01:05:25.849 --> 01:05:26.760 land use plan and 01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:31.519 and staff had assessed those items and really finds that 01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:32.719 each one of those 01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:38.480 criteria located by analyzing the land use pattern the 01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:39.960 density of the 01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:42.840 development to support the extension of city services to 01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:43.719 this area if it is 01:05:43.719 --> 01:05:47.760 rezoned and then if this rezoning does not isolate a 01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:50.019 certain district and by 01:05:50.019 --> 01:05:52.699 all means we're combining districts at this point. The 01:05:52.699 --> 01:05:54.440 other sub chapter for 01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:57.489 criteria will be the general guidelines for zoning 01:05:57.489 --> 01:05:59.719 amendments which again talk 01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:02.559 to the conformance of the land use element and facilitate 01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:03.440 the provision of 01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:09.000 city of services. Public notifications were made we 01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:11.320 received one in favor which 01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:15.619 is the major property owner on the north side and the 01:06:15.619 --> 01:06:17.760 applicant did a 01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:21.679 mail out themselves to see if they could solicit any extra 01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:23.760 information and 01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:28.860 none's been provided to me on any outcomes of that. So with 01:06:28.860 --> 01:06:30.320 that we are recommending 01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:35.150 approval as we see this as a positive for this area. 01:06:35.150 --> 01:06:38.400 Questions for staff? Commissioner Taylor. 01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:43.719 Thank You Chair. I actually have two questions. This so 01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:44.360 this rezoning is 01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:48.980 obviously anticipating development and we've in the past 01:06:48.980 --> 01:06:50.719 had discussion about 01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:56.090 post oak a mate the next major north-south arterial to the 01:06:56.090 --> 01:06:57.519 east. Will 01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:03.119 this as we're planning this are we leaving space for a 01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:04.280 major north-south 01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:06.730 arterial? I know at one point there was mention of the 01:07:06.730 --> 01:07:07.960 alignment of Trinity and 01:07:07.960 --> 01:07:11.559 this appears to basically take Trinity and tee it off and 01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:12.719 break it off into a 01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:21.559 subdivision. Consider that this alignment doesn't hit this 01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:22.159 property 01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:25.840 specifically it's closer to this area so it kind of swings 01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:27.119 I think it will go to 01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:31.019 or road in some way shape or form so it is kind of off this 01:07:31.019 --> 01:07:32.519 property but we are 01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:36.590 anticipating that this development needs to coordinate 01:07:36.590 --> 01:07:37.880 their points of access 01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:44.650 with that their affair for future development. I'll let 01:07:44.650 --> 01:07:45.920 Earl speak to that. Yes as part of the 01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:51.199 mobility plan amendment that PS Aurora has been I guess he 01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:52.119 made a couple of 01:07:52.119 --> 01:07:56.119 presentations to us already. As part of that amendment we 01:07:56.119 --> 01:07:57.199 are realigning post 01:07:57.199 --> 01:08:01.619 oak road actually to the west and it will intersect with 3 01:08:01.619 --> 01:08:03.199 80 away from the 01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:07.929 site but whenever a development in this area comes in we 01:08:07.929 --> 01:08:10.519 will ensure that the 01:08:10.519 --> 01:08:14.500 right of way is accounted for. A majority of the property 01:08:14.500 --> 01:08:15.719 where post oak will come 01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:19.750 through is a city property also as well. Okay so that that 01:08:19.750 --> 01:08:20.840 's good because the I 01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:23.579 think I know we've talked about a lot of options and the 01:08:23.579 --> 01:08:24.640 current map is from 01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:32.659 1999 then I just had another question regarding future land 01:08:32.659 --> 01:08:32.920 use 01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:38.520 so right now blue is it's listed as government but that's 01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:39.079 also an 01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:42.199 industrial area it's water treatment plant and a landfill 01:08:42.199 --> 01:08:43.600 is that correct? 01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:48.390 I believe that's where that is. Government institutional I 01:08:48.390 --> 01:08:50.640 'm not sure what the land 01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:55.060 uses were there before that they designated that. I believe 01:08:55.060 --> 01:08:55.359 I saw a 01:08:55.359 --> 01:09:03.520 treatment plant road which would be indicative. That's 01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:05.399 where the landfill is and then yeah. 01:09:05.399 --> 01:09:14.250 As an evaluation of future land use has that been evaluated 01:09:14.250 --> 01:09:15.239 to to make sure that 01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:17.939 these uses are compatible if that those are any necessary 01:09:17.939 --> 01:09:18.920 buffer will this 01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:22.789 prevent the full development of the landfill and the 01:09:22.789 --> 01:09:24.560 treatment plant or are 01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:30.510 they compatible? One of the things I think we need to asc 01:09:30.510 --> 01:09:32.359 ertain tonight is to 01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:35.520 determine it shows blue on future land use plan correct? 01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:36.439 Correct. And we know that 01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:38.840 there's a landfill out there I know that the landfill has a 01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:40.119 CIP program associated 01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:43.149 with it which there could be potential when we're talking 01:09:43.149 --> 01:09:44.439 about you know most 01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:47.470 issues are odor however related to setbacks and buffering 01:09:47.470 --> 01:09:48.079 those would have 01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:52.079 to be put into play adjacent to any residential development 01:09:52.079 --> 01:09:53.560 . And like I said 01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:55.539 I just want to make sure that at the beginning of the 01:09:55.539 --> 01:09:56.680 planning process here 01:09:56.680 --> 01:10:07.229 at the future land level. Yes. Any additional questions? 01:10:07.229 --> 01:10:07.880 Commissioner 01:10:07.880 --> 01:10:13.079 Bruegel. Thank you chair. Ross really when I when I saw 01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:14.239 this and I saw the 01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:17.239 conservation development design I got really excited 01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:18.199 because that was 01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:20.880 something that we approved like eight months ago when we 01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:21.880 approved the the 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:24.560 comprehensive plan of the future this is the first time 01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:27.239 that I've seen that. So my 01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:31.130 question is and maybe this needs to be an item for future 01:10:31.130 --> 01:10:32.880 consideration or an 01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:35.560 item for a future agenda item but I'm wondering when are we 01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:36.479 gonna start seeing 01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:39.359 more of when are we gonna be updating that part of our 01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:40.600 development code so 01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:43.199 that we are seeing more of this conservation design I think 01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:43.520 it's a 01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:46.159 fantastic I think it's fantastic when are we gonna be 01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:47.760 seeing more of that? This was 01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:51.359 initiated by them the you know we can work with applicants 01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:52.479 whenever they come 01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:55.989 in into rural areas again it's kind of subject to the 01:10:55.989 --> 01:10:57.560 layering of densities 01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:00.640 from edges to edges and and if we find that it's 01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:02.520 appropriate we suggest it in 01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:06.220 our pre-application notes and due diligence in the 01:11:06.220 --> 01:11:08.239 beginning. So was this 01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:11.600 something that staff had encouraged the applicant to try 01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:12.520 and do or did the 01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:16.420 applicant come to the city and say I want to I want to do 01:11:16.420 --> 01:11:17.359 both issues there 01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:21.159 were things stated in our development because we had 01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:22.880 previous there was a 01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:27.670 previous preliminary plats for this project three to five 01:11:27.670 --> 01:11:29.199 years ago that 01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:33.239 allotted the whole development out and we had in our 01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:35.079 research found that 01:11:35.079 --> 01:11:38.140 that was kind of an inappropriate way to handle this piece 01:11:38.140 --> 01:11:39.920 of property with that 01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:43.079 we brought that information to the developer because they 01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:44.119 were looking for 01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:48.430 their background due diligence also and understood the 01:11:48.430 --> 01:11:49.479 context of you know the 01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:53.520 previous plans on this property and so they understood you 01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:54.840 know we could work 01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:57.279 with them on densities and I think that's something with 01:11:57.279 --> 01:11:57.960 conservation 01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:02.369 development we allow in our three in our four something 01:12:02.369 --> 01:12:04.079 that gives you what you 01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:08.100 need for lot counts but can vary that based on the amount 01:12:08.100 --> 01:12:09.159 of open space you're 01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:13.710 preserving okay and when so they were not required to have 01:12:13.710 --> 01:12:14.800 this conservation 01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:16.819 development even though it's in our comprehensive plan it's 01:12:16.819 --> 01:12:17.159 not in our 01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:20.670 development code yet so it's a respect it's a respect and a 01:12:20.670 --> 01:12:21.399 response to that 01:12:21.399 --> 01:12:25.430 and when when when will that be part of the development 01:12:25.430 --> 01:12:26.239 code that's something 01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:28.649 we'd have to add to code code amendment okay you'll be 01:12:28.649 --> 01:12:29.720 hearing from me at the 01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:34.819 end of tonight's session okay maybe because of what's there 01:12:34.819 --> 01:12:35.159 already 01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:38.029 Commissioner Dudowitz I'm sorry I'm just looking at the map 01:12:38.029 --> 01:12:39.159 there's a there's a lake 01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:43.029 or a pond there and it may be had been too expensive to 01:12:43.029 --> 01:12:44.640 develop there's these 01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:49.729 minutes there's a floodplain area so combination of things 01:12:49.729 --> 01:12:49.960 could have 01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:53.029 but I agree I think this is you know terrific in that 01:12:53.029 --> 01:12:54.600 regard too yeah we had 01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:57.100 I mean we had approved this as a city and this is the first 01:12:57.100 --> 01:12:57.760 time in eight 01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:00.750 months that we're seeing something like this so I just I'd 01:13:00.750 --> 01:13:01.960 like to see more of 01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:05.119 this come our way in the interim even though we don't have 01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:06.039 any and I apologize 01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:10.319 just jumped right in we don't have the development the Dent 01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:11.079 on Development Code 01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:13.270 and the comprehensive plan again we know that they're not 01:13:13.270 --> 01:13:14.159 talking to each other 01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:17.319 clearly understand that but we also know what elements of 01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:18.319 the comp plan are 01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:23.279 critical when we do meet we do impress upon our applicants 01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:25.159 the need for 01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:28.000 conservation development or the need for as much as 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:29.600 possible but until we don't 01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:32.819 get to that point where we actually have an overhaul of the 01:13:32.819 --> 01:13:33.760 Denton Development 01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:37.260 Code and make sure that that point that's also addressed 01:13:37.260 --> 01:13:38.479 the future land use map 01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:41.640 and make sure everything is talking to each other right it 01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:42.800 's a work in progress 01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:47.119 but I would I would like to see more of this come our way 01:13:47.119 --> 01:13:49.199 good to state it on record and get it out there in the 01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:49.319 public too. 01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:53.520 yeah thank you any other questions on this item? No I've 01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:54.520 got two comments 01:13:54.520 --> 01:13:59.680 Commissioner Dunlats. Two comments before you go can you 01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:01.079 put the concept plan back up 01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:06.500 please and I want to make an observation kind of piggyback 01:14:06.500 --> 01:14:07.800 ing on you that this is 01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:10.670 obviously a developer initiated you know they're not 01:14:10.670 --> 01:14:11.960 required to do this and a lot 01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:14.560 times in our Commission we're always concerned the 01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:16.479 developers aren't green 01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:19.600 they aren't trying to do anything this individual although 01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:20.760 not required is 01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:24.489 trying to do that and it prompted my thought process about 01:14:24.489 --> 01:14:25.560 an issue that I've 01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:29.640 had about concerns about our density being lot coverage and 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:30.479 I believe I've 01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:34.399 pointed out before that as we move into this new plan we're 01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:35.279 going to have to 01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:38.750 address our lot coverage because as we have these green 01:14:38.750 --> 01:14:40.199 spaces they're going to 01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:44.279 get a density transfer a lot will be smaller and then when 01:14:44.279 --> 01:14:46.279 we put our lot 01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:49.420 coverage percentages on these you're going to end up with a 01:14:49.420 --> 01:14:50.640 limited footprint 01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:53.279 so I want to bring that to staff's attention you may 01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:54.399 already be aware of 01:14:54.399 --> 01:14:57.520 that as we go forward that is going to become a bigger 01:14:57.520 --> 01:14:59.079 issue that we're going to 01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:03.399 have to revisit and address and those are my two comments 01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:06.159 and it's 615 and 01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:09.079 we're going to close. Commissioner Dunlats. I have a 01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:11.239 question when we do have 01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:13.960 questions that are outside the agenda when can we bring 01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:15.479 them up? When you put 01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:22.760 them on a future agenda. Well it just may not be a question 01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:24.039 that requires a lot 01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:27.329 I'm just questioning things. Yeah as long as you've appr 01:15:27.329 --> 01:15:28.800 ised the public what 01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:32.550 you're going to speak about then that's fine you can take 01:15:32.550 --> 01:15:33.680 two seconds you can 01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:36.319 take an hour but we have to put it on the agenda if it's 01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:37.279 outside of the agenda 01:15:37.279 --> 01:15:41.359 we can't speak on it. Although we have concluded items and 01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:42.800 we have future items 01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:45.750 for agenda then is that when we can bring it up? I think 01:15:45.750 --> 01:15:46.560 bring it up and speak 01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:50.239 about it limitedly. Go ahead. Limitedly in order to place 01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:51.199 it on a future agenda 01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:54.199 but not discuss it. I just want to know the process for 01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:55.119 doing it. Sure. Could be a 01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:58.029 simple yes/no answer but that's the appropriate place to 01:15:58.029 --> 01:15:59.000 bring it up correct? 01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:02.029 Correct. Or if it's a specific issue you can just come to 01:16:02.029 --> 01:16:03.199 staff direct about it 01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:08.300 well another thing. I think it has applicability to all the 01:16:08.300 --> 01:16:08.680 commissioners. 01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:13.600 Okay. It's now 6 16 and I'm going to close the work session 01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:15.159 and we'll break for 01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:17.960 meal. Thank you. 01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:29.029 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton October 7th 01:16:29.029 --> 01:16:30.399 Planning and Zoning 01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:33.880 Commission meeting. This meeting has been duly posted and 01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:35.199 we have a quorum 01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:38.409 present. Our first item will be to give a Pledge of Alleg 01:16:38.409 --> 01:16:39.640 iance to the US flag 01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:43.000 followed by the Texas flag. 01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:12.399 Texas, one state, under God, one indivisible. 01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:25.420 The next item on our agenda is going to be presentation of 01:17:25.420 --> 01:17:28.279 the minutes. 01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:38.720 Commissioner Taylor. I move approval of the minutes. 01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:50.039 Commissioner Bruegel. I second the motion. The first and a 01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:52.159 second. Any questions or 01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:59.000 discussion? If not we will move for a vote on the board. 01:18:04.680 --> 01:18:16.319 The motion passes 7-0. We'll move on to the consent agenda. 01:18:26.359 --> 01:18:31.810 Commissioner Bruegel. I move approval of the consent agenda 01:18:31.810 --> 01:18:34.279 . Commissioner Dudowitz. I second. 01:18:34.279 --> 01:18:41.380 Is there any discussion or questions? Seeing none, call for 01:18:41.380 --> 01:18:44.119 a vote on the board. 01:18:50.720 --> 01:19:00.359 That motion passes 7-0. Moving on to item four, items for 01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:01.880 individual consideration. 01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:05.859 The first item we have is to consider and appoint a member 01:19:05.859 --> 01:19:07.119 of the Planning and 01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:10.420 Zoning Commission chair and vice chair positions. We took 01:19:10.420 --> 01:19:12.239 that action two weeks 01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:16.239 ago in work session. The reason it's on our agenda is 01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:17.560 because it was not posted 01:19:17.560 --> 01:19:20.949 correctly publicly. So this is the first meeting that we've 01:19:20.949 --> 01:19:22.560 had that action posted 01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:26.079 publicly correctly. And do we need to formalize that or is 01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:26.640 it just in the 01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:35.010 minutes? I would just go ahead and do a motion to ratify if 01:19:35.010 --> 01:19:35.520 anyone would like 01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:41.779 to sponsor a motion to ratify. Commissioner Taylor. Thank 01:19:41.779 --> 01:19:42.520 you chair. I 01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:46.409 move we ratify our previous election of Commissioner 01:19:46.409 --> 01:19:47.960 Strange as chair and 01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:51.560 Commissioner Bruegel as vice chair. 01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:05.039 Commissioner Rossell. I'll second the motion. Any questions 01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:07.439 or discussion? 01:20:07.439 --> 01:20:14.729 Seeing none, we will call for a vote on the board. That 01:20:14.729 --> 01:20:26.560 motion passes 7-0. It 01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:31.180 moves us to item five, our public hearings. And we have 01:20:31.180 --> 01:20:35.119 item A FR 15-0012 01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:39.090 and I will ask Menal to bring that forward. Thank you Chair 01:20:39.090 --> 01:20:39.680 person Strange. 01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:42.279 I'm going to ask Sophie Humer with the Planning Department 01:20:42.279 --> 01:20:43.000 to go ahead and 01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:47.279 present this final replant for the Razor Ranch Town Center 01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:48.880 Phase 1 edition. Thank 01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:52.199 you Sophie. One point of order. We are now opening our 01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:53.119 public hearings at the 01:20:53.119 --> 01:20:55.810 beginning of the presentation so I would like to open the 01:20:55.810 --> 01:20:56.960 public hearing at this 01:20:56.960 --> 01:21:02.789 time. Good evening Commissioners. Sophie Humer, Associate 01:21:02.789 --> 01:21:03.680 Planner with the City of 01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:06.970 Denton. I will be presenting to you FR 15-12 the Razor 01:21:06.970 --> 01:21:08.159 Ranch Town Center Phase 1 01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:12.470 replant. The request before you is to consider a final repl 01:21:12.470 --> 01:21:15.520 ant of lots 1R, 2R, 3R, 5R, 01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:20.720 6R, 8R, 9R, and 10R of block A of the Razor Ranch Town 01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:22.720 Center Phase 1. The 01:21:22.720 --> 01:21:25.890 approximately 99 acre property is generally located at the 01:21:25.890 --> 01:21:26.479 southeast 01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:33.840 corner of University Drive and Interstate Highway 35. 01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:36.800 Section 212 of the 01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:39.479 Texas Local Government Code requires a public hearing for 01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:40.319 any replant or 01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:43.050 subdivision or part of a subdivision without vacation of 01:21:43.050 --> 01:21:43.880 the preceding plot. 01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:46.649 The purpose of this plot in particular is to amend lot 01:21:46.649 --> 01:21:47.960 lines and easements within 01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:56.020 the plot. This is the face of page one of the plot. This is 01:21:56.020 --> 01:21:59.239 page two. The technical 01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:01.670 requirements of the plot have been met and the plot is in 01:22:01.670 --> 01:22:02.600 order as submitted. 01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:05.279 The proposed replant complies with the requirements of the 01:22:05.279 --> 01:22:06.039 Denton Development 01:22:06.039 --> 01:22:10.899 Code and staff is recommending approval of FR 15-12. I 01:22:10.899 --> 01:22:12.239 stand for any questions. 01:22:12.239 --> 01:22:15.720 Any questions of staff? 01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:23.409 Thank you. This is a public hearing. If there is anyone 01:22:23.409 --> 01:22:26.479 here that would like to 01:22:26.479 --> 01:22:31.000 speak on this item, please come forward now. 01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:37.510 Seeing none, we will close the public hearing on this item 01:22:37.510 --> 01:22:39.680 and the chair would 01:22:39.680 --> 01:22:42.319 entertain a motion. 01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:50.670 Commissioner Beck. I move we approve FR 15. Commissioner 01:22:50.670 --> 01:22:56.199 Dudowitz. Any discussion? 01:22:56.720 --> 01:23:01.239 Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board. 01:23:11.319 --> 01:23:18.479 That motion passes 7-0. It moves us to item 5B. I'd like to 01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:19.199 open the public 01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:27.640 hearing for FR 15-0003. Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is a 01:23:27.640 --> 01:23:28.840 request for a final 01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:32.720 replant of block A for the mid-state's realty subdivision. 01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:33.760 Ross Culbertson with 01:23:33.760 --> 01:23:37.880 the Planning Department will present this replant. Thank 01:23:37.880 --> 01:23:39.800 you, Manal, commissioners. 01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:44.039 This is FR 15-03 for mid-state's realty subdivision of Ross 01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:45.119 Culbertson, senior 01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:50.949 planner. The request before you is for a final replant of 01:23:50.949 --> 01:23:53.680 block A lots 2R, 1, 3, 01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:57.199 and 4 of the mid-state's realty subdivision. The 01:23:57.199 --> 01:23:59.159 approximate 1.5 acre 01:23:59.159 --> 01:24:02.840 property is generally generally located on the west side of 01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:04.319 loop 288, approximately 01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:08.239 800 feet north of Spencer Road within the Mary L. Austin 01:24:08.239 --> 01:24:09.560 Survey, abstract number 01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:14.659 4. Per chapter 212 of the Texas Local Government Code, 01:24:14.659 --> 01:24:15.720 requires a public 01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:18.720 hearing of any replant of a subdivision or part of a subdiv 01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:20.079 ision without 01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:24.939 vacating the preceding plat. Subject property again shown 01:24:24.939 --> 01:24:27.439 graphically above. 01:24:27.439 --> 01:24:33.279 It encompasses the tractor supply, retail location, and 01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:34.960 adjacent out partial lots 01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:40.649 which are defined by the replant. Technical requirements of 01:24:40.649 --> 01:24:41.800 the plat have been met and the 01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:44.960 plat is in order as submitted. The proposed replant compl 01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:45.600 ies with the 01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:47.890 requirements of the DIN Development Code and staff 01:24:47.890 --> 01:24:50.119 recommends approval. I can stand 01:24:50.119 --> 01:24:54.319 for any questions. Questions for staff? 01:24:56.920 --> 01:25:01.470 Seeing none. This is a public hearing. If there is anyone 01:25:01.470 --> 01:25:02.319 here that would like to 01:25:02.319 --> 01:25:07.939 speak on this item, please come forward at this time. When 01:25:07.939 --> 01:25:10.439 you get to the 01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:12.560 microphone, if you'll state your name and address for the 01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:13.479 Commission, we would 01:25:13.479 --> 01:25:18.569 appreciate that. Chairman, members of the Commission, my 01:25:18.569 --> 01:25:19.920 name is Greg Edwards. I'm 01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:24.399 with Greg Edwards Engineering Services, 1621 Amanda Coart, 01:25:24.399 --> 01:25:26.439 Ponder, Texas. We 01:25:26.439 --> 01:25:31.390 represent John Mullen who lives in California. This is the 01:25:31.390 --> 01:25:32.720 tractor supply 01:25:32.720 --> 01:25:37.369 site. He has had a long-term lease with Tractor Supply le 01:25:37.369 --> 01:25:38.840 asing the property to 01:25:38.840 --> 01:25:42.600 have them for about three and a half acres of the property 01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:43.760 for several years 01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:48.859 and he wants to create two pad sites out in front of that 01:25:48.859 --> 01:25:51.000 for sale. I'm here if 01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:57.439 you have any questions. Any questions for the applicant? 01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:04.539 Seeing none, is there anyone else who would like to speak 01:26:04.539 --> 01:26:09.199 on this item? Seeing 01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:11.880 none, I'll close the public hearing at this time and the 01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:12.840 Chair would entertain a 01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:16.720 motion. Commissioner Taylor? I move approval as 01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:22.479 submitted. Commissioner Beck? I second the motion. I have a 01:26:22.479 --> 01:26:23.560 first and a second. Is 01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:27.119 there any discussion on this item? 01:26:29.239 --> 01:26:33.840 Seeing none, we'll call for a vote on the board. 01:26:44.479 --> 01:26:54.760 This motion passes 7-0. I will move us to item 5C and I 01:26:54.760 --> 01:26:55.600 would like to open the 01:26:55.600 --> 01:27:03.189 public hearing for Z15-0015. Thank you Mr. Chair. I'm going 01:27:03.189 --> 01:27:04.039 to request Julie 01:27:04.039 --> 01:27:05.939 Wyatt with the Planning Department to make this 01:27:05.939 --> 01:27:07.239 presentation for a change in 01:27:07.239 --> 01:27:10.930 zoning from Plan Development District 12 to Regional Center 01:27:10.930 --> 01:27:11.640 Commercial 01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:16.739 Downtown. Good evening. I'm Julie Wyatt, Associate Planner 01:27:16.739 --> 01:27:18.880 and this is Z15-15 01:27:18.880 --> 01:27:23.369 Toyota-Denton. The request before you is to consider a rez 01:27:23.369 --> 01:27:24.920 oning from Plan 01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:28.760 Development 12 to Regional Center Commercial Downtown on an 01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:29.399 approximately 01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:34.350 15 acre tract. The subject property is located adjacent to 01:27:34.350 --> 01:27:36.279 I-35. It's south of 01:27:36.279 --> 01:27:41.210 State School and north of Post Oak Drive. Just a bit of 01:27:41.210 --> 01:27:43.079 background regarding the 01:27:43.079 --> 01:27:47.840 plan development. PD-12 was created in 1980 and it covered 01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:49.560 109 acres and it is 01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:57.640 the area in green. In 1986 that concept plan for the PD was 01:27:57.640 --> 01:27:59.960 amended for 74 of 01:27:59.960 --> 01:28:07.119 those original 109 acres. In 87 the concept plan was then 01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:08.000 amended again for 01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:13.949 43 of those acres. And then finally in 2001 and 2004 there 01:28:13.949 --> 01:28:14.720 were detailed plans 01:28:14.720 --> 01:28:21.609 approved for both Toyota and Honda at the site. This is how 01:28:21.609 --> 01:28:23.319 the zoning map looks 01:28:23.319 --> 01:28:29.390 today. The green part is the existing what's left of PD-12. 01:28:29.390 --> 01:28:30.760 The property to 01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:34.590 the north that is adjacent to State School Road it was z 01:28:34.590 --> 01:28:36.279 oned out of the PD 01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:42.100 in 1999 to RCCN and then in 2005 the property adjacent to 01:28:42.100 --> 01:28:43.279 it was zoned out of 01:28:43.279 --> 01:28:50.380 the PD to RCCD. The subject property is located in a mixed 01:28:50.380 --> 01:28:51.159 and a regional mixed 01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:55.659 use future land use category in accordance with with Denton 01:28:55.659 --> 01:28:57.159 Plan 2030. 01:28:57.159 --> 01:29:01.819 The proposal does meet the requirements of this future land 01:29:01.819 --> 01:29:03.520 use designation. 01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:06.710 Just a couple of other things to consider when the when the 01:29:06.710 --> 01:29:07.300 detailed 01:29:07.300 --> 01:29:10.770 plans were approved there were some conditions on those 01:29:10.770 --> 01:29:11.960 detailed plans. For 01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:15.869 Toyota the the the lighting was addressed in a condition as 01:29:15.869 --> 01:29:17.000 well as some lands and 01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:21.800 landscaped strip, public address speakers, and then some 01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:23.239 other conditions 01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:25.989 associated with the construction including the temporary 01:29:25.989 --> 01:29:26.800 sales office and 01:29:26.800 --> 01:29:31.279 and some tree protection. Honda also had some conditions on 01:29:31.279 --> 01:29:32.720 the detail plan. One 01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:36.189 being the lighting like like the Toyota and then also the 01:29:36.189 --> 01:29:37.119 public address 01:29:37.119 --> 01:29:40.670 speakers and then there is a detention pond on this site 01:29:40.670 --> 01:29:41.640 and there was a 01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:44.119 condition that future development would require an 01:29:44.119 --> 01:29:45.300 additional detail plan 01:29:45.300 --> 01:29:50.789 approval. So when we looked at the considerations regarding 01:29:50.789 --> 01:29:51.680 this rezoning 01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:54.319 request first of all we looked at that the site is 01:29:54.319 --> 01:29:56.399 consistent with the RCCD 01:29:56.399 --> 01:29:59.079 zoning designation as well as the future land use 01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:01.680 designation of the property. We 01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:05.279 also considered that the approval would remove the existing 01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:06.479 conditions that were 01:30:06.479 --> 01:30:08.989 put in place with the detail plan but when we dug a little 01:30:08.989 --> 01:30:09.920 deeper in that we 01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:12.600 looked at four of those conditions really were related to 01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:13.260 the original 01:30:13.260 --> 01:30:16.539 construction and are no longer applicable. That lighting is 01:30:16.539 --> 01:30:16.800 now 01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:20.090 addressed in sub chapter 13 and part of those requirements 01:30:20.090 --> 01:30:21.760 in sub chapter 13 do 01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:24.829 address the lighting of the adjacent properties as well as 01:30:24.829 --> 01:30:25.840 making sure that 01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:28.840 the lighting doesn't like the night sky so those are 01:30:28.840 --> 01:30:30.399 addressed. A noise is 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:33.819 regulated by our code of ordinances and then the finally 01:30:33.819 --> 01:30:35.199 the detention pond it 01:30:35.199 --> 01:30:39.479 is heavily encumbered by easements and so if that did end 01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:41.239 up coming to develop it 01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:45.560 would have to be replatted. Furthermore the requirement 01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:46.880 does meet the criteria 01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:49.890 for or the the request does meet the criteria for approval 01:30:49.890 --> 01:30:50.560 and then didn't 01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:54.880 development code. That criteria for approval is outlined in 01:30:54.880 --> 01:30:55.800 sub chapter 3 01:30:55.800 --> 01:30:58.550 first that the proposed rezoning meets the future land use 01:30:58.550 --> 01:30:59.479 element of the dent 01:30:59.479 --> 01:31:02.699 plan in this case it does and then second that the proposed 01:31:02.699 --> 01:31:03.319 rezoning 01:31:03.319 --> 01:31:06.199 facilitates the adequate provision of transportation, water 01:31:06.199 --> 01:31:07.119 , sewer, schools, 01:31:07.119 --> 01:31:10.869 parks and other public requirements and it meets that 01:31:10.869 --> 01:31:12.560 requirement. Public 01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:16.359 notification was sent out and we received no letters in 01:31:16.359 --> 01:31:17.520 opposition or in 01:31:17.520 --> 01:31:21.630 favor so based upon the considerations and the criteria for 01:31:21.630 --> 01:31:22.640 approval staff does 01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:29.569 recommend approval of this rezoning case. Questions for 01:31:29.569 --> 01:31:30.520 staff? 01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:36.470 Seeing none. This is a public hearing anyone here that 01:31:36.470 --> 01:31:37.800 would like to speak on 01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:41.279 this item please come forward now. 01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:48.199 Seeing none I'm going to close the public hearing on this 01:31:48.199 --> 01:31:49.960 item and the chair 01:31:49.960 --> 01:31:56.210 would entertain a motion. Commissioner Dudowitz. 01:31:56.210 --> 01:31:58.920 Commissioner Rozelle. I second 01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:03.590 motion. The first and the second is there any further 01:32:03.590 --> 01:32:04.520 discussion or 01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:07.039 clarification? 01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:13.600 Seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board. 01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:30.319 The motion carries 7-0. We'll move us to item 5D I would 01:32:30.319 --> 01:32:31.640 like to open the public 01:32:31.640 --> 01:32:40.010 hearing for Z15-0025. Thank you Mr. Person Strange. I will 01:32:40.010 --> 01:32:40.359 request 01:32:40.359 --> 01:32:42.960 Julie Wyatt to come forward and make this presentation for 01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:43.720 a zoning change 01:32:43.720 --> 01:32:53.880 from RCCN to ECC. Good evening this is Z15-25. I'm Julie 01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:55.279 Wyatt associate planner. 01:32:55.279 --> 01:33:00.039 The request before you is to consider a recommendation to 01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:02.829 City Council regarding a rezoning request from Regional 01:33:02.829 --> 01:33:03.800 Center Commercial 01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:07.579 Neighborhood to Employment Center Commercial on 01:33:07.579 --> 01:33:09.800 approximately 15 acres. 01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:13.640 The subject property is is located on the north side of the 01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:15.000 city. It is 01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:23.279 adjacent to I-35 and south of Bartold Road. Just a 01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:24.479 background on the site it 01:33:24.479 --> 01:33:27.439 was originally a truck stop car wash convenience store 01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:28.600 warehouse and truck 01:33:28.600 --> 01:33:35.909 storage. It what the convenience store did burn in 2008. So 01:33:35.909 --> 01:33:37.000 in order to 01:33:37.000 --> 01:33:39.840 facilitate the redevelopment of the site staff met with the 01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:42.279 applicant in 2013 to 01:33:42.279 --> 01:33:45.420 discuss how they move forward. They wanted to move forward 01:33:45.420 --> 01:33:46.279 with a convenience 01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:50.479 store, gasoline sales, restaurants and a truck repair. The 01:33:50.479 --> 01:33:51.159 current zoning 01:33:51.159 --> 01:33:57.529 of RCCN does not permit truck repair. So at that time based 01:33:57.529 --> 01:34:01.079 upon Dent Plan 1999 01:34:01.079 --> 01:34:05.920 that future land use staff recommended the applicant rezone 01:34:05.920 --> 01:34:06.680 the property or 01:34:06.680 --> 01:34:12.920 pursue a rezoning to RCCD. That was consistent with the 01:34:12.920 --> 01:34:14.039 Regional Center 01:34:14.039 --> 01:34:18.260 Commercial future land use designation of the property at 01:34:18.260 --> 01:34:20.680 the time. However fast 01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:23.470 forward and a new comprehensive or an update to the 01:34:23.470 --> 01:34:25.000 comprehensive plan has been 01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:28.789 passed and that's Dent Plan 2030 and it changed the area 01:34:28.789 --> 01:34:29.920 from that Regional 01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:34.220 Commercial Center to Business Innovation for a future land 01:34:34.220 --> 01:34:35.479 use designation. And 01:34:35.479 --> 01:34:39.829 just a little bit of history on that. So this area was 01:34:39.829 --> 01:34:41.680 designated for Regional 01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:49.800 Center Commercial in 1998, 1988 sorry. It was it was this 01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:52.560 center as well as the 01:34:52.560 --> 01:34:56.760 mall. So there were there were two of them. Then in 1999 an 01:34:56.760 --> 01:34:58.159 additional Regional 01:34:58.159 --> 01:35:03.560 Commercial Center was brought in and that was at I-35 and 01:35:03.560 --> 01:35:04.840 John Paine. 01:35:04.840 --> 01:35:10.140 A fourth Regional Center Commercial was added in 2007 and 01:35:10.140 --> 01:35:11.159 that was the Razor 01:35:11.159 --> 01:35:15.399 Ranch development. So when you include include these these 01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:16.239 areas as well as 01:35:16.239 --> 01:35:20.399 downtown we're looking at at four regional centers and and 01:35:20.399 --> 01:35:21.359 during the 01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:23.560 analysis of the comprehensive plan it was just determined 01:35:23.560 --> 01:35:24.239 that was too many 01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:28.520 for Dent to support. So the end result was they changed 01:35:28.520 --> 01:35:30.640 this area to Business 01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:34.960 Innovation and really what that did was it changed it from 01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:36.600 that that desired 01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:40.199 high-density residential commercial that sort of urban 01:35:40.199 --> 01:35:43.840 center to a an area that 01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:48.010 is intended to promote large-scale employment areas offices 01:35:48.010 --> 01:35:48.960 with also the 01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:55.640 supporting commercial uses as well. So when we look at that 01:35:55.640 --> 01:35:55.800 in look at that in 01:35:55.800 --> 01:36:04.270 context of the zoning districts RCCN it both RCCN which is 01:36:04.270 --> 01:36:05.399 the existing zoning 01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:10.350 and the desired ECC permit a lot of commercial uses. 01:36:10.350 --> 01:36:12.000 However RCCN has a 01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:16.359 high-density residential use whereas ECC doesn't have that 01:36:16.359 --> 01:36:17.640 residential use but it 01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:21.149 has some light industrial so it can go more toward 01:36:21.149 --> 01:36:23.699 employment center. So the 01:36:23.699 --> 01:36:26.289 considerations we looked at first that the site has 01:36:26.289 --> 01:36:27.680 historically been used as a 01:36:27.680 --> 01:36:31.659 truck stop. This area is ideal for this type of use it's on 01:36:31.659 --> 01:36:32.579 the north side of 01:36:32.579 --> 01:36:35.989 the city it's sort of that gateway that travel center and 01:36:35.989 --> 01:36:37.079 it provides that 01:36:37.079 --> 01:36:43.600 access for for the end user. Until the DDC is updated in 01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:44.800 response to Denton 01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:50.119 Plan 2030 the ECC zoning district is is a consistent zoning 01:36:50.119 --> 01:36:51.359 designation with that 01:36:51.359 --> 01:36:55.640 business innovation future land use designation. The 01:36:55.640 --> 01:36:56.920 surrounding uses are 01:36:56.920 --> 01:37:01.069 primary primarily agricultural and commercial and so 01:37:01.069 --> 01:37:02.560 therefore the impacts 01:37:02.560 --> 01:37:08.409 to the adjacent properties are not there or minimal. And 01:37:08.409 --> 01:37:09.760 then when we look at the 01:37:09.760 --> 01:37:13.199 criteria for approval the proposed rezoning conforms to the 01:37:13.199 --> 01:37:13.840 future land use 01:37:13.840 --> 01:37:17.439 element it does that that that ECC does meet the 01:37:17.439 --> 01:37:19.720 requirements and the intent of 01:37:19.720 --> 01:37:22.659 that business innovation future land use designation and 01:37:22.659 --> 01:37:23.600 that the proposed 01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:25.670 rezoning facilitates the adequate provision of 01:37:25.670 --> 01:37:27.039 transportation water sewer 01:37:27.039 --> 01:37:30.000 schools parks and other public requirements and convenience 01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:30.600 . It meets 01:37:30.600 --> 01:37:34.449 that requirement as well. A public notification was sent 01:37:34.449 --> 01:37:36.159 out we have not 01:37:36.159 --> 01:37:42.239 received any letters in opposition or in favor. So based 01:37:42.239 --> 01:37:43.359 upon the considerations 01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:46.960 and the criteria for approval staff recommends approval of 01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:48.079 this rezoning. 01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:52.090 And I believe the applicant is here so if you have any 01:37:52.090 --> 01:37:55.239 questions for staff. 01:37:55.439 --> 01:37:59.279 Commissioner Rossell. Thank you chair. I have some 01:37:59.279 --> 01:38:01.199 significant issues or questions 01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:04.979 rather about the traffic flow that would be generated by 01:38:04.979 --> 01:38:06.239 adding additional truck 01:38:06.239 --> 01:38:09.239 stop looking at aerial maps the truck stop on the east side 01:38:09.239 --> 01:38:10.000 of the interstate 01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:14.619 is is quite full and I know from my own experience that 01:38:14.619 --> 01:38:16.520 underpass at that 01:38:16.520 --> 01:38:20.170 intersection is is already pretty tight and so I'm 01:38:20.170 --> 01:38:22.000 wondering the impact on 01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:26.390 traffic flow by adding another stop there. Well we 01:38:26.390 --> 01:38:28.239 typically address those 01:38:28.239 --> 01:38:32.720 specific traffic impacts during the platting phase so at 01:38:32.720 --> 01:38:34.279 this stage they've 01:38:34.279 --> 01:38:38.560 not done traffic impact and a traffic impact analysis so 01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:39.239 that would be 01:38:39.239 --> 01:38:41.920 addressed at the platting stage. And during the platting 01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:42.920 stage I would 01:38:42.920 --> 01:38:46.520 imagine that the traffic would be measured at Barthold 01:38:46.520 --> 01:38:48.279 streets but I'm 01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:52.310 also curious about the impact of highway 1173 just to the 01:38:52.310 --> 01:38:53.560 south which is the main 01:38:53.560 --> 01:38:57.050 thoroughfare into Crum from the highway. Would the traffic 01:38:57.050 --> 01:38:57.960 study or is it under 01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:00.649 the purview of this Commission to have the traffic study 01:39:00.649 --> 01:39:01.520 also measure the 01:39:01.520 --> 01:39:10.000 impact of that thoroughfare highway 1173. Let me call Earl 01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:11.199 up because he'll 01:39:11.199 --> 01:39:14.800 give me more information on what the analysis is for the 01:39:14.800 --> 01:39:15.600 traffic impact. 01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:22.630 Thank you. Good evening my name is Earl Escobar with 01:39:22.630 --> 01:39:24.760 engineering. As part of the 01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:28.170 development plotting process they're going to be required 01:39:28.170 --> 01:39:28.920 to perform a 01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:32.520 traffic impact analysis and as part of that analysis we'll 01:39:32.520 --> 01:39:33.460 establish the 01:39:33.460 --> 01:39:37.750 parameters of the intersections that they need to evaluate 01:39:37.750 --> 01:39:39.000 and I believe the 01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:43.720 intersection by 35 is already one of them and if PNC is 01:39:43.720 --> 01:39:44.439 concerned is the 01:39:44.439 --> 01:39:49.090 intersection 1173 and 35 I guess it'd be southbound service 01:39:49.090 --> 01:39:50.000 road then we can 01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:54.680 include that as well. Thank you. 01:39:57.520 --> 01:40:07.960 Any other questions for staff? Thank you. This is a public 01:40:07.960 --> 01:40:08.920 hearing is there 01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:10.989 anyone here that would like to speak on this item please 01:40:10.989 --> 01:40:13.800 come down at this time. 01:40:13.800 --> 01:40:16.850 Please state your name and address for the record. Good 01:40:16.850 --> 01:40:18.079 evening names Jeremy 01:40:18.079 --> 01:40:21.329 Rees with Chippewa Engineering Group 4420 Jackson Street, 01:40:21.329 --> 01:40:22.560 Marianna Florida. 01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:25.420 Basically just here at where the site development engineers 01:40:25.420 --> 01:40:26.199 just basically 01:40:26.199 --> 01:40:28.770 here to answer any questions you guys might have from our 01:40:28.770 --> 01:40:30.479 standpoint and we 01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:33.039 just look forward to working with the city to provide you 01:40:33.039 --> 01:40:33.880 know clean up the 01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:36.300 site kind of provide a respectful development here and 01:40:36.300 --> 01:40:37.159 something we really 01:40:37.159 --> 01:40:40.520 look forward to having so thanks. Great any questions for 01:40:40.520 --> 01:40:41.159 the applicants 01:40:41.159 --> 01:40:43.720 represented? 01:40:47.720 --> 01:40:49.319 Again this is a public hearing is there anyone else that 01:40:49.319 --> 01:40:51.399 would like to speak on 01:40:51.399 --> 01:40:53.800 this item? 01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:01.140 Good evening chairman on the board my name is Michael Oshos 01:41:01.140 --> 01:41:02.760 hoya. For the 981 01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:07.859 battled I belong to the owners of the property that is just 01:41:07.859 --> 01:41:08.840 west of the 01:41:08.840 --> 01:41:14.000 proposed property. The question I have is when it gets to 01:41:14.000 --> 01:41:14.760 the platinum and 01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:20.369 development are there going to be ways to address pollution 01:41:20.369 --> 01:41:21.760 coming from that 01:41:21.760 --> 01:41:26.880 truck stop and noise especially since we bother the 01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:28.119 property to make sure 01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:31.630 whatever development goes on there this truck stop doesn't 01:41:31.630 --> 01:41:32.640 impact the future 01:41:32.640 --> 01:41:36.319 use of that. Thank you. 01:41:38.439 --> 01:41:43.869 I may be able to help with some of that. The city does have 01:41:43.869 --> 01:41:44.279 a noise 01:41:44.279 --> 01:41:49.239 ordinance that at the property line I don't believe that 01:41:49.239 --> 01:41:50.800 the noise can be 01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:55.909 greater than 65 dBA so so that is an ordinance that we have 01:41:55.909 --> 01:41:56.920 at the city and 01:41:56.920 --> 01:42:00.270 then I also believe and someone may correct me that we have 01:42:00.270 --> 01:42:01.920 an anti idling 01:42:01.920 --> 01:42:05.840 ordinance as well or an idling ordinance as well that might 01:42:05.840 --> 01:42:07.000 address some of the 01:42:07.000 --> 01:42:13.359 pollution as well. Thank you Mrs. Wyatt. 01:42:15.039 --> 01:42:19.199 I got my recognized Commissioner Hussbett you have a 01:42:19.199 --> 01:42:21.279 question for. Thank you 01:42:21.279 --> 01:42:29.000 chairperson. Yes I have a question for Mr. is it I'm sorry 01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:31.279 yes sir yes sir 01:42:31.279 --> 01:42:37.840 what I am so I've pulled up your address but how big is 01:42:37.840 --> 01:42:39.720 your property or how many 01:42:39.720 --> 01:42:45.659 acres? I believe is 12.3 I'm not too sure of the number. 01:42:45.659 --> 01:42:48.479 Okay yeah and is 01:42:48.479 --> 01:42:53.279 your understanding looking at the map that you're kind of 01:42:53.279 --> 01:42:55.199 at the back end of 01:42:55.199 --> 01:42:59.720 that yellow? Yeah the west side of that yes yes directly or 01:42:59.720 --> 01:43:00.680 is there property 01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:04.909 our property is just west of the yellow from the top there 01:43:04.909 --> 01:43:06.319 Barthold that's 01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:12.720 strip to where you have the detention pond. Okay thank you. 01:43:12.720 --> 01:43:17.479 Commissioner Tyler. Thank you chair so just to clarify you 01:43:17.479 --> 01:43:18.439 're on the north side 01:43:18.439 --> 01:43:21.359 of Barthold? No south side of Barthold that's west of the 01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:22.560 proposed property. So 01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:25.060 where there's kind of like a parking in the in the aerial 01:43:25.060 --> 01:43:25.920 there it shows that 01:43:25.920 --> 01:43:29.159 kind of parking currently a parking lot area is that 01:43:29.159 --> 01:43:31.000 correct? No it's yeah it's 01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:41.359 parking lot area I showed in the area yeah. Yes yes. Just a 01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:43.520 second. Commissioner 01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:56.949 Detovits I don't have you on the board. There's a good 01:43:56.949 --> 01:43:57.279 there's a wing stop right 01:43:57.279 --> 01:44:09.739 there. Wing stop wing foot. Yeah. I believe it's kind of 01:44:09.739 --> 01:44:12.880 auto show. 01:44:14.079 --> 01:44:16.930 No no we I just belong to the church at home to property I 01:44:16.930 --> 01:44:18.079 do I don't have 01:44:18.079 --> 01:44:28.189 anything to do with that business. Any other questions? 01:44:28.189 --> 01:44:32.439 Thank you sir. This is a 01:44:32.439 --> 01:44:36.130 public hearing is there anyone else who would like to speak 01:44:36.130 --> 01:44:37.479 on this item? Good 01:44:37.479 --> 01:44:41.289 evening my name is Samuel Akin I belongs to the church as 01:44:41.289 --> 01:44:42.720 well the only thing 01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:47.520 that I want to address is the road to Barthold because that 01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:48.680 place is very very 01:44:48.680 --> 01:44:52.880 narrow I don't know whether they have any plan to make that 01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:54.279 place a little bit 01:44:54.279 --> 01:44:58.359 wider for us. Okay we'll see if we can get an answer for 01:44:58.359 --> 01:45:00.600 you. 01:45:12.720 --> 01:45:15.720 [inaudible] 01:45:41.720 --> 01:45:46.229 As part of this development what they're going to do is 01:45:46.229 --> 01:45:48.199 they're going to realign 01:45:48.199 --> 01:45:52.600 Barthold Road to line up with the signalized intersection 01:45:52.600 --> 01:45:55.279 of I-35 and as 01:45:55.279 --> 01:45:59.819 part of that as realignment they're also going to improve 01:45:59.819 --> 01:46:02.119 it to a wider section I 01:46:02.119 --> 01:46:06.060 believe it's going to be a four-lane divided roadway along 01:46:06.060 --> 01:46:08.880 their stretch here. 01:46:10.600 --> 01:46:15.840 Thank you. Commissioner Roselle. I have a question about 01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:17.079 the traffic flow sorry to 01:46:17.079 --> 01:46:22.600 I understand that the applicant would be rerouting Barthold 01:46:22.600 --> 01:46:23.920 to align with Elm 01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:27.430 Street on the east side that timeline would work with 01:46:27.430 --> 01:46:28.560 construction of the 01:46:28.560 --> 01:46:32.029 the travel stop what about on the west side connecting 01:46:32.029 --> 01:46:34.479 highway 1173 to Barthold 01:46:34.479 --> 01:46:37.550 it looks like you're kind of s-shaping that around what's 01:46:37.550 --> 01:46:39.039 the timeline for that 01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:42.550 redirection of that road? That timeline is unknown at this 01:46:42.550 --> 01:46:45.600 point this eventually 01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:50.140 will become 1173 which is a textile roadway and it's not in 01:46:50.140 --> 01:46:51.479 their near future 01:46:51.479 --> 01:46:56.000 radar. Okay thank you. 01:46:57.880 --> 01:47:00.050 Again this is a public hearing is there anyone else who 01:47:00.050 --> 01:47:01.720 would like to speak on 01:47:01.720 --> 01:47:13.420 this item? Please come forward. I think this matter of the 01:47:13.420 --> 01:47:14.720 road is something that 01:47:14.720 --> 01:47:19.550 we need to address right away because right now if anybody 01:47:19.550 --> 01:47:20.680 is trying to go 01:47:20.680 --> 01:47:25.220 through the Barthold it's only one way something. Two 01:47:25.220 --> 01:47:28.359 vehicles cannot come across 01:47:28.359 --> 01:47:33.920 each other at all so we need to address that immediately. 01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:37.279 Okay thank you. 01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:41.060 Again this is a public hearing is there anyone else who'd 01:47:41.060 --> 01:47:42.439 like to speak on this 01:47:42.439 --> 01:47:47.880 item? Seeing none we have one response that was sent in 01:47:47.880 --> 01:47:51.840 from Mr. Joseph Agbo at 01:47:51.840 --> 01:47:57.300 3400 Marymount Drive in Denton. He did not have in favor a 01:47:57.300 --> 01:47:58.560 neutral or opposed 01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:01.100 his request we have a copy we'll have that attached for the 01:48:01.100 --> 01:48:03.000 record. I'm going 01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:07.140 to at this time close the public hearing and I'm going to 01:48:07.140 --> 01:48:08.000 recognize 01:48:08.000 --> 01:48:12.199 Commissioner Hutsboth. Before you do. Okay excuse me I will 01:48:12.199 --> 01:48:13.239 reopen the public 01:48:13.239 --> 01:48:16.710 hearing from this item. Thank you. I just the applicant 01:48:16.710 --> 01:48:19.399 representative can you 01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:23.229 staff has already given an overview but could you kind of 01:48:23.229 --> 01:48:24.439 summarize what your 01:48:24.439 --> 01:48:28.619 vision or your your clients vision for that property is 01:48:28.619 --> 01:48:30.000 just for clarity? 01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:34.159 Well basically a normal love site will have the regular 01:48:34.159 --> 01:48:35.239 travel center which 01:48:35.239 --> 01:48:38.270 will include two to three restaurants. In this case we're 01:48:38.270 --> 01:48:39.359 not really sure what 01:48:39.359 --> 01:48:42.079 the restaurants will be at this point. We're looking at 01:48:42.079 --> 01:48:43.039 probably one drive 01:48:43.039 --> 01:48:46.189 through and maybe a couple of smaller sit downs and there 01:48:46.189 --> 01:48:47.960 'll be an auto fueling 01:48:47.960 --> 01:48:50.840 area and then in the back of that completely separate from 01:48:50.840 --> 01:48:51.520 the auto area 01:48:51.520 --> 01:48:53.819 will be the truck area and then they'll have the diesel b 01:48:53.819 --> 01:48:54.800 ays back there and then 01:48:54.800 --> 01:48:57.869 toward the rear of the property will be a tire building and 01:48:57.869 --> 01:48:58.840 that was the reason 01:48:58.840 --> 01:49:01.649 for the rezoning so we could have just the tire maintenance 01:49:01.649 --> 01:49:02.600 and fluid changes 01:49:02.600 --> 01:49:05.890 that sort of thing just some some light maintenance work 01:49:05.890 --> 01:49:07.119 but loves is a family 01:49:07.119 --> 01:49:09.520 owned company they you know take pride in everything they 01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:10.039 do all their 01:49:10.039 --> 01:49:12.270 developments so you know they put their name one they're 01:49:12.270 --> 01:49:13.159 gonna make sure it's 01:49:13.159 --> 01:49:18.680 gonna be you know up to code up to standard so. Thank you. 01:49:20.840 --> 01:49:24.239 Commissioner Taylor. 01:49:29.840 --> 01:49:35.920 I was wondering if staff could address or to speak to what 01:49:35.920 --> 01:49:37.960 kind of barriers 01:49:37.960 --> 01:49:42.000 would be in place or what kind of buffering would would 01:49:42.000 --> 01:49:43.279 occur if we have a 01:49:43.279 --> 01:49:46.930 church or kind of a residential use next to a commercial 01:49:46.930 --> 01:49:49.000 use. Sure we have 01:49:49.000 --> 01:49:52.289 buffer requirements between the different uses. Let me go 01:49:52.289 --> 01:49:53.079 get my code so I 01:49:53.079 --> 01:49:55.479 make sure I. 01:50:07.960 --> 01:50:16.600 So a church would be an institutional use and then you have 01:50:16.600 --> 01:50:17.319 a commercial use 01:50:17.319 --> 01:50:24.449 adjacent. It doesn't look like the code requires buffers 01:50:24.449 --> 01:50:25.760 between institutional 01:50:25.760 --> 01:50:30.600 uses and commercial uses. If it was an industrial use then 01:50:30.600 --> 01:50:32.079 it would require a 01:50:32.079 --> 01:50:36.880 type B buffer but as it is right now there aren't any buff 01:50:36.880 --> 01:50:38.600 ers required. And so 01:50:38.600 --> 01:50:41.239 would this quote so the tire shop does not make it 01:50:41.239 --> 01:50:44.880 industrial? Is that it? 01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:50.760 Vehicle repair I believe. Let me verify. 01:50:53.319 --> 01:50:57.939 Vehicle repair is under our commercial land use categories 01:50:57.939 --> 01:50:59.439 so it's considered 01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:04.720 commercial. Thank you. Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. 01:51:04.720 --> 01:51:08.960 Got a question for the 01:51:10.319 --> 01:51:12.420 and I think I know the answer is but I'm gonna ask it 01:51:12.420 --> 01:51:14.680 anyway. Is this a 24/7 01:51:14.680 --> 01:51:18.760 operation this business? I believe it is yes. So there's 01:51:18.760 --> 01:51:19.800 something going on day 01:51:19.800 --> 01:51:24.899 and night. Right. Okay thank you. Commissioner Briggle. 01:51:24.899 --> 01:51:26.399 Miss Wyatt can you bring your code 01:51:26.399 --> 01:51:30.520 back up here please. Sorry I just didn't get to ring in 01:51:30.520 --> 01:51:31.279 fast enough after 01:51:31.279 --> 01:51:33.699 Commissioner Taylor's question because I had asked also 01:51:33.699 --> 01:51:34.399 about the buffers 01:51:34.399 --> 01:51:37.869 during the work session. So there's not currently a church 01:51:37.869 --> 01:51:39.079 on that property to 01:51:39.079 --> 01:51:45.340 the west. So what what buffer would be required for what 01:51:45.340 --> 01:51:46.520 the current property 01:51:46.520 --> 01:51:49.779 is? No buffers. There's no buffers. No ma'am. Okay and then 01:51:49.779 --> 01:51:50.960 on the south side where 01:51:50.960 --> 01:51:53.600 there's that residence just to clarify that would be. Now 01:51:53.600 --> 01:51:54.520 if it was against a 01:51:54.520 --> 01:52:01.000 residence. I don't want to misspeak. 01:52:05.279 --> 01:52:07.779 Commercial against single-family residential is a type C 01:52:07.779 --> 01:52:09.640 buffer which is 01:52:09.640 --> 01:52:12.920 a 15 foot planted strip that includes a combination of six 01:52:12.920 --> 01:52:13.760 evergreen and 01:52:13.760 --> 01:52:17.609 deciduous trees and 25 shrubs per 100 linear feet. And that 01:52:17.609 --> 01:52:18.680 's 15 feet along 01:52:18.680 --> 01:52:22.829 the whole perimeter. Yes ma'am. Okay when the church is 01:52:22.829 --> 01:52:24.960 established to the west at 01:52:24.960 --> 01:52:28.760 some point would that the if the church wanted a buffer at 01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:29.479 that point they would 01:52:29.479 --> 01:52:37.239 be responsible for that. Okay thank you. I see nothing else 01:52:37.239 --> 01:52:37.960 on the board but I'm 01:52:37.960 --> 01:52:41.920 ask again are there any other questions? 01:52:43.880 --> 01:52:47.180 Seeing none. All done we're going to close the public 01:52:47.180 --> 01:52:48.920 hearing on this particular 01:52:48.920 --> 01:52:53.920 item and the chair would entertain a motion. 01:52:55.680 --> 01:53:00.600 Commissioner Dudowitz. I approve or motion only make a 01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:01.520 motion to approve it. 01:53:01.520 --> 01:53:06.720 Thank you. Commissioner Hudspeth. I second. Okay have a 01:53:06.720 --> 01:53:08.119 first and a second. Is there 01:53:08.119 --> 01:53:13.859 any further discussion on this item? Seeing none we'll call 01:53:13.859 --> 01:53:15.119 for a vote on the 01:53:15.119 --> 01:53:17.279 board. 01:53:23.960 --> 01:53:32.199 The motion carries 7-0. Move us to item 5E. I'm going to 01:53:32.199 --> 01:53:33.079 open the public 01:53:33.079 --> 01:53:39.279 hearing for Z15-0024. Thank you. I'm going to request Ross 01:53:39.279 --> 01:53:43.119 Culbertson to come ahead and make this presentation. 01:53:52.079 --> 01:53:58.300 Commissioners this is a zoning request Z1524 for Pecan Park 01:53:58.300 --> 01:54:00.680 addition. Before I 01:54:00.680 --> 01:54:03.149 raise the consideration to make a recommendation to City 01:54:03.149 --> 01:54:03.560 Council 01:54:03.560 --> 01:54:07.380 regarding a rezoning request from a neighborhood 01:54:07.380 --> 01:54:09.079 residential mixed use 01:54:09.079 --> 01:54:13.600 district in RMU to a neighborhood residential 4 district on 01:54:13.600 --> 01:54:14.319 approximately 01:54:14.319 --> 01:54:21.010 20 acres. Property before he is generally located on the 01:54:21.010 --> 01:54:22.000 south side of 01:54:22.000 --> 01:54:26.520 East Bikini Street approximately 2,000 feet east of Orr 01:54:26.520 --> 01:54:28.399 Road which is a north 01:54:28.399 --> 01:54:35.619 south road over here to the west. This slide provides a 01:54:35.619 --> 01:54:37.840 little more context for 01:54:37.840 --> 01:54:40.600 you. The zoning request encompasses 20 acres of an 01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:42.159 approximate 80 acre tract 01:54:42.159 --> 01:54:45.329 which the applicant intends to develop as a single-family 01:54:45.329 --> 01:54:47.239 subdivision. As you 01:54:47.239 --> 01:54:50.479 can see I've tried to delineate the 20 acres and the 01:54:50.479 --> 01:54:51.800 holistic nature of the 01:54:51.800 --> 01:54:56.170 property. This slide also provides a visual of the natural 01:54:56.170 --> 01:54:57.479 context and the 01:54:57.479 --> 01:55:02.920 vicinity of uses. This is a rural part of Denton to the 01:55:02.920 --> 01:55:06.560 east off of loop 288 and 01:55:06.560 --> 01:55:12.039 south south of McKinney Street. As you can see there's some 01:55:12.039 --> 01:55:13.600 very nice natural 01:55:13.600 --> 01:55:18.689 areas to be considered with future development particularly 01:55:18.689 --> 01:55:19.920 there's a area 01:55:19.920 --> 01:55:26.340 of tree stands in the middle there's property the 80 acres 01:55:26.340 --> 01:55:28.000 bounds to the south 01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:32.239 with Concrete which has some floodplain areas just in 01:55:32.239 --> 01:55:35.000 between that area. Right 01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:38.220 now we are just looking at the zoning for this portion only 01:55:38.220 --> 01:55:40.359 at this moment. 01:55:40.359 --> 01:55:44.760 Looking at the zoning maps side by side the intended 01:55:44.760 --> 01:55:47.399 request is to remove the 01:55:47.399 --> 01:55:52.779 red area shown as NRMU which is that 20 acres and rezoned 01:55:52.779 --> 01:55:54.159 it to NR4 and you 01:55:54.159 --> 01:55:57.090 can see the comparisons that the intent is to create a 01:55:57.090 --> 01:55:59.239 holistic rezoned property 01:55:59.239 --> 01:56:05.520 to NR4 for future development. I also want to point out the 01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:07.680 compatible area to 01:56:07.680 --> 01:56:12.960 the west property that is zoned NR4 that also has adjac 01:56:12.960 --> 01:56:13.680 encies to this 01:56:13.680 --> 01:56:17.989 property. When we look at the NRMU category and you can see 01:56:17.989 --> 01:56:18.800 the delineation 01:56:18.800 --> 01:56:26.720 on the on the screen per the 20 2002 citywide rezoning this 01:56:26.720 --> 01:56:27.840 area was rezoned 01:56:27.840 --> 01:56:33.680 to encourage uses but since that time uses have not 01:56:33.680 --> 01:56:34.920 developed to that 01:56:34.920 --> 01:56:38.430 intensity and this is a very kind of high intense zoning 01:56:38.430 --> 01:56:39.880 district that 01:56:39.880 --> 01:56:43.390 encourages high-density residential creates active nodes of 01:56:43.390 --> 01:56:44.079 neighborhood 01:56:44.079 --> 01:56:48.569 retail and office uses to support those neighborhoods and 01:56:48.569 --> 01:56:49.479 allows for 01:56:49.479 --> 01:56:54.229 multifamily with 30 units per acre and it does prohibit 01:56:54.229 --> 01:56:57.359 single-family. So in 01:56:57.359 --> 01:57:00.000 your considerations we look at the future land use map the 01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:00.840 future land use 01:57:00.840 --> 01:57:05.680 map guides through the didn't plan 2030 map of the intended 01:57:05.680 --> 01:57:07.199 growth patterns the 01:57:07.199 --> 01:57:10.439 future land use map indicates this area as rural area 01:57:10.439 --> 01:57:12.560 indicated in green the 01:57:12.560 --> 01:57:17.109 current NRMU district does not fit with the character of 01:57:17.109 --> 01:57:19.000 this low intensity low 01:57:19.000 --> 01:57:24.500 density rural context and to be honest the NR4 does not fit 01:57:24.500 --> 01:57:25.760 with respect to the 01:57:25.760 --> 01:57:30.350 low density rural character rural context. Staff is making 01:57:30.350 --> 01:57:32.000 a effort to to 01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:36.279 show that we support how the transition of these densities 01:57:36.279 --> 01:57:37.760 can be applied with 01:57:37.760 --> 01:57:42.859 the NR2 NR4 zoning. However the inner four is more 01:57:42.859 --> 01:57:44.119 compatible with the future 01:57:44.119 --> 01:57:47.630 land use map and more suited as a catalyst to spur future 01:57:47.630 --> 01:57:48.680 development and 01:57:48.680 --> 01:57:54.630 we look at that in how the land use patterns and the the 01:57:54.630 --> 01:57:56.680 blobs of yellow and 01:57:56.680 --> 01:58:02.699 orange may be able to accommodate residential zoning in 01:58:02.699 --> 01:58:05.159 this area. The 01:58:05.159 --> 01:58:08.020 applicant has submitted a concept plan just as a graphic 01:58:08.020 --> 01:58:09.220 illustration this has 01:58:09.220 --> 01:58:13.159 not been vetted as if you have with any plant activity but 01:58:13.159 --> 01:58:16.119 yet it shows NR4 01:58:16.119 --> 01:58:20.439 zoning applying lots to NR4 zoning which represents a 01:58:20.439 --> 01:58:22.520 medium density. The 01:58:22.520 --> 01:58:27.229 concept plan speaks to a conservation development. 01:58:27.229 --> 01:58:28.359 Conservation development is 01:58:28.359 --> 01:58:33.760 a type of programming design within the DEN plan concept 01:58:33.760 --> 01:58:35.560 comprehensive plan to 01:58:35.560 --> 01:58:40.590 protect natural features and respond to a staged transition 01:58:40.590 --> 01:58:42.079 of growth between 01:58:42.079 --> 01:58:47.289 developed areas and rural areas. The applicant provided 01:58:47.289 --> 01:58:48.800 this as the intent of 01:58:48.800 --> 01:58:51.600 the development that they would be seeking with future 01:58:51.600 --> 01:58:52.520 plats this is not 01:58:52.520 --> 01:58:56.689 holding them to anything but they are introducing a concept 01:58:56.689 --> 01:58:57.920 of conservation 01:58:57.920 --> 01:59:02.739 development mainly to to work with natural site features 01:59:02.739 --> 01:59:04.000 and to develop 01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:08.470 according to those constraints. In the considerations 01:59:08.470 --> 01:59:10.520 within your report I want 01:59:10.520 --> 01:59:14.970 to point out the NR4 zoning is a more compared a more 01:59:14.970 --> 01:59:16.199 appropriate district to 01:59:16.199 --> 01:59:19.960 encourage low to moderate single-family units and to unify 01:59:19.960 --> 01:59:20.680 the entire 01:59:20.680 --> 01:59:25.130 property interests. The land use pattern in this area has 01:59:25.130 --> 01:59:26.760 remained rural and has 01:59:26.760 --> 01:59:32.699 not necessitated uses permitted by NRMU zoning and the 01:59:32.699 --> 01:59:35.180 conservation development design is a good response to the 01:59:35.180 --> 01:59:36.520 transitioning for 01:59:36.520 --> 01:59:42.060 introducing single-family into this rural context area. For 01:59:42.060 --> 01:59:43.439 you have in your 01:59:43.439 --> 01:59:46.949 staff report you have evaluation criteria stated in sub 01:59:46.949 --> 01:59:49.039 chapter 35 3 3 b 3 01:59:49.039 --> 01:59:53.699 of the DEN development code which lists items a through g I 01:59:53.699 --> 01:59:56.199 believe which speak 01:59:56.199 --> 01:59:59.180 to items that do not actually conform to the future land 01:59:59.180 --> 02:00:00.159 use map but may be 02:00:00.159 --> 02:00:04.090 considered under analysis and that analysis from staff 02:00:04.090 --> 02:00:05.319 shows that we've 02:00:05.319 --> 02:00:08.260 looked at the land use pattern that the density of the 02:00:08.260 --> 02:00:09.680 development to support 02:00:09.680 --> 02:00:14.020 the extension of city services would be warranted and we 02:00:14.020 --> 02:00:15.920 are not creating with 02:00:15.920 --> 02:00:20.630 this rezoning any isolated districts. Additional criteria 02:00:20.630 --> 02:00:22.840 for review is found 02:00:22.840 --> 02:00:28.859 within DEN development code 35 3 4 b 2 which again speaks 02:00:28.859 --> 02:00:30.279 to conformance to a 02:00:30.279 --> 02:00:33.979 land use element and facilitates provision of city services 02:00:33.979 --> 02:00:34.680 with future 02:00:34.680 --> 02:00:39.970 development. We did do a public notice outreach and we 02:00:39.970 --> 02:00:43.439 received one notice in 02:00:43.439 --> 02:00:47.149 favor and that's included in your packet and shown on the 02:00:47.149 --> 02:00:48.960 screen. Based on the 02:00:48.960 --> 02:00:51.600 considerations presented and the requirements within the D 02:00:51.600 --> 02:00:52.239 EN development 02:00:52.239 --> 02:00:55.510 code staff recommends approval of this item and I may stand 02:00:55.510 --> 02:00:56.319 for any questions 02:00:56.319 --> 02:01:03.760 you have. Commissioner Roselle. Thank you for the 02:01:03.760 --> 02:01:03.920 presentation. Thank you for the 02:01:03.920 --> 02:01:07.039 presentation. I have a question about the future land use. 02:01:07.039 --> 02:01:08.840 Can you help articulate 02:01:08.840 --> 02:01:12.840 what the expectation of rural future land use is? 02:01:12.840 --> 02:01:14.800 Specifically does it 02:01:14.800 --> 02:01:18.880 necessarily include in our for zoning within the future 02:01:18.880 --> 02:01:20.439 land use of rural? I 02:01:20.439 --> 02:01:25.199 have to say no to that. There is no rural is designed for 02:01:25.199 --> 02:01:27.600 large lots. We have 02:01:27.600 --> 02:01:36.789 zoning categories in our RD5, RD, rural residential zoning 02:01:36.789 --> 02:01:37.359 districts that 02:01:37.359 --> 02:01:40.609 are more appropriate within that. The presentation 02:01:40.609 --> 02:01:44.119 indicates this development 02:01:44.119 --> 02:01:48.010 is under low to medium and more on the medium side but 02:01:48.010 --> 02:01:49.479 based on how they are 02:01:49.479 --> 02:01:52.829 applying the conservation and working with constraints of 02:01:52.829 --> 02:01:54.119 the property we can 02:01:54.119 --> 02:01:58.199 consider the densities they are approving but rural context 02:01:58.199 --> 02:01:58.720 is to maintain 02:01:58.720 --> 02:02:02.270 large lots under a rural character. So the expectation of 02:02:02.270 --> 02:02:03.760 the DEN 2030 plan was 02:02:03.760 --> 02:02:09.399 to have large lots in this property in this zoning? Correct 02:02:09.399 --> 02:02:12.319 . Any additional 02:02:12.319 --> 02:02:19.909 questions for staff? Thank you. This is a public hearing. 02:02:19.909 --> 02:02:21.760 Anyone that would like to 02:02:21.760 --> 02:02:27.109 come speak on this item please come forth this time. Mr. 02:02:27.109 --> 02:02:28.439 Chairman and 02:02:28.439 --> 02:02:31.949 Commissioners my name is Rod Zilke with ZPS Consulting 02:02:31.949 --> 02:02:33.399 Engineers. I'm here 02:02:33.399 --> 02:02:37.369 representing the project tonight if you have any questions. 02:02:37.369 --> 02:02:38.439 Any questions? 02:02:38.439 --> 02:02:43.029 Commissioner Bruegel we do have a question. Mr. Zilke. 02:02:43.029 --> 02:02:49.039 Sorry. I'm not sure if you were in the 02:02:49.039 --> 02:02:53.189 in the work session or not. I'm sorry. I'm proud to be to 02:02:53.189 --> 02:02:54.079 my back. So I just 02:02:54.079 --> 02:02:55.890 wonder if you could speak a bit more about this 02:02:55.890 --> 02:02:57.119 conservation development 02:02:57.119 --> 02:02:59.710 plan. It's the first time that we've seen it as a 02:02:59.710 --> 02:03:01.079 commission in the eight 02:03:01.079 --> 02:03:04.720 months since we've adopted the 2030 plan, the comprehensive 02:03:04.720 --> 02:03:05.659 plan for the city in 02:03:05.659 --> 02:03:09.670 which the conservation development is a vision that we have 02:03:09.670 --> 02:03:10.800 for our city. Now 02:03:10.800 --> 02:03:14.270 you're the first developer to bring this to us and I didn't 02:03:14.270 --> 02:03:15.800 get to see your 02:03:15.800 --> 02:03:18.359 your mock-up in our backup so it's really the first time I 02:03:18.359 --> 02:03:19.119 'm seeing it but 02:03:19.119 --> 02:03:22.720 it does excite me as a you know this is something that we 02:03:22.720 --> 02:03:24.760 approved as a city and 02:03:24.760 --> 02:03:27.590 it's good to see this. I just kind of want to hear about 02:03:27.590 --> 02:03:28.359 what was your what 02:03:28.359 --> 02:03:31.479 you're not required to do this conservation development and 02:03:31.479 --> 02:03:31.939 yet you're 02:03:31.939 --> 02:03:33.819 bringing it forward anyway. I just wonder if you could 02:03:33.819 --> 02:03:34.600 speak to that a bit and 02:03:34.600 --> 02:03:37.130 kind of what your experience was working with staff and why 02:03:37.130 --> 02:03:37.960 does you'd like to 02:03:37.960 --> 02:03:43.939 bring that piece to us now. Sure and keep in mind we're 02:03:43.939 --> 02:03:45.680 very preliminary stages 02:03:45.680 --> 02:03:49.029 this is just the zoning of the north portion and before we 02:03:49.029 --> 02:03:50.119 get into too much 02:03:50.119 --> 02:03:52.199 detail we want to be sure we have the whole piece of 02:03:52.199 --> 02:03:53.359 property to work with of 02:03:53.359 --> 02:03:58.460 course. The property obviously from the aerial photos has 02:03:58.460 --> 02:03:59.840 some significant trees 02:03:59.840 --> 02:04:03.649 and some natural features and some floodplain so it's 02:04:03.649 --> 02:04:06.279 conducive to a 02:04:06.279 --> 02:04:10.539 conservation type project and that in combination with the 02:04:10.539 --> 02:04:11.960 tree ordinance and 02:04:11.960 --> 02:04:16.779 the clustering of lots you know you can with the way ordin 02:04:16.779 --> 02:04:18.479 ances are now the tree 02:04:18.479 --> 02:04:22.079 ordinance and the conservation plan you can cluster smaller 02:04:22.079 --> 02:04:22.920 lots and preserve 02:04:22.920 --> 02:04:27.369 larger areas and this property just it's conducive to that 02:04:27.369 --> 02:04:29.359 I mean we have a nice 02:04:29.359 --> 02:04:34.109 contiguous tree area in the center of the property that has 02:04:34.109 --> 02:04:34.600 some some you know 02:04:34.600 --> 02:04:39.739 preservation type trees and that quite honestly we're kind 02:04:39.739 --> 02:04:40.960 of doing that on a 02:04:40.960 --> 02:04:44.729 couple of projects on you know a little further south and 02:04:44.729 --> 02:04:46.800 the passive tree area 02:04:46.800 --> 02:04:51.500 park seems to be popular right now with you know with home 02:04:51.500 --> 02:04:53.199 buyers as opposed to 02:04:53.199 --> 02:04:57.479 more active parks and you know lots of activity that less 02:04:57.479 --> 02:04:58.279 less activity is 02:04:58.279 --> 02:05:01.899 appealing I guess. I don't know if that answers your 02:05:01.899 --> 02:05:02.800 question. No it's very helpful. 02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:04.939 Yeah thank you. That's kind of where we're at on it. Yeah 02:05:04.939 --> 02:05:07.800 that's good thank you. Hold on just a second. 02:05:07.800 --> 02:05:12.250 Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. I'm sorry your first 02:05:12.250 --> 02:05:15.000 name was Rod. So this is 02:05:15.000 --> 02:05:18.159 this 20 acre development is going to be for single-family 02:05:18.159 --> 02:05:21.880 homes? It's 80 acres. 02:05:21.880 --> 02:05:28.359 The 20 is part of a larger tract. Okay. So we're working on 02:05:28.359 --> 02:05:29.880 the total 80 acres 02:05:29.880 --> 02:05:33.119 but before we could get too far into that we had to 02:05:33.119 --> 02:05:35.640 determine whether the NRMU 02:05:35.640 --> 02:05:46.819 portion could be. We need to focus our attention just on 02:05:46.819 --> 02:05:48.439 these two slides here 02:05:48.439 --> 02:05:55.600 showing the red is the zoning that we were under and they 02:05:55.600 --> 02:05:56.600 haven't designed any 02:05:56.600 --> 02:06:01.880 plans for phases phase one of this yet but we they need to 02:06:01.880 --> 02:06:02.880 look at it 02:06:02.880 --> 02:06:08.539 collectively to make their plan. So but I guess my question 02:06:08.539 --> 02:06:09.880 is the plan to build 02:06:09.880 --> 02:06:16.489 single-family homes on the 88. The plan is to build single- 02:06:16.489 --> 02:06:17.920 family homes on these 02:06:17.920 --> 02:06:23.960 80 acres is that correct? Okay what percentage of these do 02:06:23.960 --> 02:06:24.560 you plan on 02:06:24.560 --> 02:06:28.210 building low-income housing for low-income families? Is 02:06:28.210 --> 02:06:29.800 there a percentage? 02:06:29.800 --> 02:06:43.119 Yes. Yes. Well right okay. 02:06:44.119 --> 02:06:47.399 Okay affordable housing is what I'm talking about for low- 02:06:47.399 --> 02:06:48.359 income families. 02:06:48.359 --> 02:06:53.260 There's a percentage or should I direct this at staff? Is 02:06:53.260 --> 02:06:54.720 this? I think maybe legal 02:06:54.720 --> 02:07:00.119 would want to weigh in on this. Yeah well we can discuss it 02:07:00.119 --> 02:07:02.359 off record as far as 02:07:02.359 --> 02:07:08.199 those requirements are concerned. I'm sorry was there an 02:07:08.199 --> 02:07:10.199 answer in there? I 02:07:10.199 --> 02:07:14.800 didn't. No. We'll have to discuss it with you off record. 02:07:14.800 --> 02:07:18.039 Okay gotcha. All right. Thank you Ron. 02:07:18.039 --> 02:07:22.319 Any other questions for the applicant? 02:07:23.079 --> 02:07:26.100 Seeing none again this is a public hearing is there anyone 02:07:26.100 --> 02:07:26.880 else that would 02:07:26.880 --> 02:07:32.960 like to come down and speak on this item? Please state your 02:07:32.960 --> 02:07:34.439 name and address and 02:07:34.439 --> 02:07:37.890 we'll need a yellow card. Good evening. I'm Jeff Hargrave 02:07:37.890 --> 02:07:38.600 vice president of 02:07:38.600 --> 02:07:42.510 pipeline operations for Atmos Energy and I just wanted to 02:07:42.510 --> 02:07:43.720 bring the applicant to 02:07:43.720 --> 02:07:46.890 the applicants attention that we do operate a high-pressure 02:07:46.890 --> 02:07:47.680 natural gas 02:07:47.680 --> 02:07:51.569 pipeline that traverses across this entire 80 acre track 02:07:51.569 --> 02:07:53.479 about 2,000 feet and 02:07:53.479 --> 02:07:58.100 that to the west of this development less than 150 feet 02:07:58.100 --> 02:08:00.439 there'll be a gas well 02:08:00.439 --> 02:08:04.930 there and a gas storage facility that's located 800 feet it 02:08:04.930 --> 02:08:06.479 's the industrial 02:08:06.479 --> 02:08:10.600 side colored there in blue we don't make opposition to the 02:08:10.600 --> 02:08:11.600 project we just wanted 02:08:11.600 --> 02:08:15.399 to be sure that staff the applicant are anxious to work we 02:08:15.399 --> 02:08:15.880 see that you 02:08:15.880 --> 02:08:18.710 preserved a green belt for that pipeline for high-pressure 02:08:18.710 --> 02:08:19.760 pipelines it was a very 02:08:19.760 --> 02:08:23.270 serious pipeline incident in Collin County today disrupted 02:08:23.270 --> 02:08:24.520 activities and we 02:08:24.520 --> 02:08:27.680 just want to be sure that staff is aware of that thank you 02:08:27.680 --> 02:08:28.640 so much 02:08:28.640 --> 02:08:31.720 excuse me sir just a second we have a question 02:08:31.720 --> 02:08:35.430 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you Chair. So you mentioned that 02:08:35.430 --> 02:08:36.600 you have a gas well 02:08:36.600 --> 02:08:38.800 on that site could you describe the nature of that gas well 02:08:38.800 --> 02:08:40.300 ? Yes it's a 02:08:40.300 --> 02:08:43.920 natural gas storage well oh thank you can you can we point 02:08:43.920 --> 02:08:44.760 here if I do this 02:08:44.760 --> 02:08:49.310 kind of okay there is our there's our gas well right there 02:08:49.310 --> 02:08:51.520 can you I'm trying 02:08:51.520 --> 02:08:56.439 to move this guys I'm not real skilled at things. Hand-eye 02:08:56.439 --> 02:08:57.960 coordination it's a 02:08:57.960 --> 02:09:00.909 natural gas storage facility we've been in operation almost 02:09:00.909 --> 02:09:02.399 50 years it serves 02:09:02.399 --> 02:09:06.000 the critical energy needs in North Texas it's a depleted 02:09:06.000 --> 02:09:07.520 reservoir there is no 02:09:07.520 --> 02:09:11.119 while there is gas drilling out there there is no fracking 02:09:11.119 --> 02:09:11.960 this reservoir 02:09:11.960 --> 02:09:15.130 does not require fracking it's very porous as it is and 02:09:15.130 --> 02:09:16.640 then if you'd like 02:09:16.640 --> 02:09:20.329 to know where the pipeline is let's see if I can pull this 02:09:20.329 --> 02:09:22.079 off one more time it 02:09:22.079 --> 02:09:24.829 originates up in this station I think you can see the right 02:09:24.829 --> 02:09:25.720 away is fairly 02:09:25.720 --> 02:09:29.670 well clear as it traverses it crosses about 2,000 feet 02:09:29.670 --> 02:09:32.119 across there and it's a 02:09:32.119 --> 02:09:36.739 high-pressure large diameter 16-inch pipeline sure. How 02:09:36.739 --> 02:09:38.159 deep is that? Commissioner 02:09:38.159 --> 02:09:44.239 Dedowitz. How deep? It's typically about 36 to 48 inches 02:09:44.239 --> 02:09:45.640 deep could be deeper in 02:09:45.640 --> 02:09:48.319 some locations there if the elevation hasn't been changed. 02:09:48.319 --> 02:09:50.079 So 2 to 4 feet? 02:09:50.079 --> 02:09:56.640 Approximately yes. Commissioner Bruegel. Thank you chair 02:09:56.640 --> 02:09:57.560 and thank you for 02:09:57.560 --> 02:10:00.079 bringing that up I just wanted to be clear though from 02:10:00.079 --> 02:10:01.399 staff and from legal 02:10:01.399 --> 02:10:04.890 what we're looking at today is the simple rezoning request 02:10:04.890 --> 02:10:05.760 and not we're 02:10:05.760 --> 02:10:09.380 we're looking to approve or deny this rezoning request and 02:10:09.380 --> 02:10:10.680 not necessarily any 02:10:10.680 --> 02:10:14.289 specific development at this point so though that that mock 02:10:14.289 --> 02:10:14.920 -up of the 02:10:14.920 --> 02:10:18.520 conservation development is beautiful and appealing we're 02:10:18.520 --> 02:10:19.640 not looking at that 02:10:19.640 --> 02:10:22.630 as a commission we're looking at at the rezoning request am 02:10:22.630 --> 02:10:23.600 I correct in that? 02:10:23.600 --> 02:10:28.319 Right. Our charter is to evaluate I'm talking about the 02:10:28.319 --> 02:10:29.880 planning department the 02:10:29.880 --> 02:10:33.390 compatibility of an NR4 zoning district with the 02:10:33.390 --> 02:10:35.159 surrounding property as it 02:10:35.159 --> 02:10:38.239 relates to those 20 acres and the compatibility with. Thank 02:10:38.239 --> 02:10:39.119 you. Not the land 02:10:39.119 --> 02:10:42.279 use not the conceptual plan but just that zoning district 02:10:42.279 --> 02:10:43.079 and the use is 02:10:43.079 --> 02:10:45.720 permitted within that category. Thank you and so and this 02:10:45.720 --> 02:10:46.439 is all very helpful 02:10:46.439 --> 02:10:49.439 information that we will take into consideration I guess at 02:10:49.439 --> 02:10:50.159 a future point. 02:10:50.159 --> 02:10:57.310 I'll be back at planning. Thank you. Other questions? Thank 02:10:57.310 --> 02:11:01.199 you. Thank you so much. Thank you sir. 02:11:01.199 --> 02:11:04.100 Again this is a public hearing is there anyone else who 02:11:04.100 --> 02:11:05.319 would like to speak on 02:11:05.319 --> 02:11:07.760 this item? 02:11:12.760 --> 02:11:16.500 Seeing none I will close the public hearing. Chair would 02:11:16.500 --> 02:11:19.239 entertain a motion. 02:11:19.239 --> 02:11:26.729 Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair I move we approve Z15-00 02:11:26.729 --> 02:11:30.159 24. Commissioner 02:11:30.159 --> 02:11:35.039 Dutton. I second the motion. First and a second. 02:11:35.039 --> 02:11:38.359 Commissioner Rossell. Thank you 02:11:38.359 --> 02:11:41.430 chair I just wanted to go on record and state that I think 02:11:41.430 --> 02:11:42.359 the rezoning is 02:11:42.359 --> 02:11:44.869 compatible with the surrounding areas however I am 02:11:44.869 --> 02:11:46.359 concerned about the future 02:11:46.359 --> 02:11:50.699 future land use if if there was a an approved plan that 02:11:50.699 --> 02:11:51.760 going forward that 02:11:51.760 --> 02:11:56.210 is to be rural then we need to take seriously what that was 02:11:56.210 --> 02:11:56.960 supposed to be 02:11:56.960 --> 02:11:59.920 for and what the expectation of that land actually is. 02:11:59.920 --> 02:12:01.399 Again the zoning issue I 02:12:01.399 --> 02:12:05.279 think to align with the other properties is an alignment 02:12:05.279 --> 02:12:07.479 however I just have some 02:12:07.479 --> 02:12:10.949 concerns about going against the specific future land use 02:12:10.949 --> 02:12:11.720 that's been 02:12:11.720 --> 02:12:17.319 approved by the city so I just want to go on record. You 02:12:17.319 --> 02:12:19.199 can have a first and a 02:12:19.199 --> 02:12:23.609 second is there any additional discussion or comment on 02:12:23.609 --> 02:12:24.039 this? 02:12:27.960 --> 02:12:34.220 Seeing none on the board I will call for a vote on the 02:12:34.220 --> 02:12:39.880 board please. The motion 02:12:39.880 --> 02:12:47.479 carries 7-0. That moves us to our final item on the agenda 02:12:47.479 --> 02:12:50.000 tonight concluding 02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:59.119 items. Commissioner Bribble. Actually I'm okay thank you. 02:12:59.119 --> 02:13:02.279 So going back to our 02:13:02.279 --> 02:13:04.899 previous conversation during the work session I'm very 02:13:04.899 --> 02:13:06.560 excited to see the 02:13:06.560 --> 02:13:11.159 potential for conservation developments coming to our 02:13:11.159 --> 02:13:14.119 community. It's not part of 02:13:14.119 --> 02:13:17.079 the Denton Development Code yet and I understand that is a 02:13:17.079 --> 02:13:18.279 huge undertaking so 02:13:18.279 --> 02:13:21.720 I'm certainly not expecting this to come to us next week 02:13:21.720 --> 02:13:22.720 but I was just wondering 02:13:22.720 --> 02:13:25.779 if I if we could even just get a preliminary kind of 02:13:25.779 --> 02:13:27.199 overview about where 02:13:27.199 --> 02:13:30.710 where we're headed with that so that we can see 02:13:30.710 --> 02:13:33.039 developments like this come to 02:13:33.039 --> 02:13:36.649 us a little more frequently. So thank you. Okay. 02:13:36.649 --> 02:13:40.000 Commissioner Taylor. Thank You Chair. 02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:45.100 I just wanted to reiterate the need for us to create a sub 02:13:45.100 --> 02:13:46.920 committee to look at 02:13:46.920 --> 02:13:50.890 the entire business innovation district and specifically 02:13:50.890 --> 02:13:52.439 the Mesa Drive area. I 02:13:52.439 --> 02:13:54.869 mentioned this last meeting and I'd like to get that on our 02:13:54.869 --> 02:13:56.159 next agenda just if 02:13:56.159 --> 02:13:58.680 we can just form the subcommittee then we can move forward 02:13:58.680 --> 02:13:59.840 at a later date but 02:13:59.840 --> 02:14:01.449 I think we really need to get the ball rolling. We have a 02:14:01.449 --> 02:14:02.279 lot of stuff happening 02:14:02.279 --> 02:14:07.970 in the northwest quadrant of the city. Okay. Commissioner 02:14:07.970 --> 02:14:11.279 Detovits. Yes going 02:14:11.279 --> 02:14:16.100 forward with my question and work session to staff and 02:14:16.100 --> 02:14:17.680 appropriate answers. 02:14:17.680 --> 02:14:24.710 In previous approvals we have made additions in the sense 02:14:24.710 --> 02:14:25.680 of we approve 02:14:25.680 --> 02:14:30.090 with conditions bike racks or certain signs of certain 02:14:30.090 --> 02:14:33.239 sizes whatever. What 02:14:33.239 --> 02:14:36.840 does city staff do to make sure that those things do get 02:14:36.840 --> 02:14:38.640 done? Because I'm in 02:14:38.640 --> 02:14:42.680 particular looking at the special sign district that we put 02:14:42.680 --> 02:14:43.800 in place for the 02:14:43.800 --> 02:14:46.920 mall and I'm seeing that certain things are happening but 02:14:46.920 --> 02:14:48.199 certain things are not 02:14:48.199 --> 02:14:51.420 happening and is that concluded or at what point in time do 02:14:51.420 --> 02:14:52.319 we say hey you 02:14:52.319 --> 02:14:57.250 have not complied with with our recommendations. There are 02:14:57.250 --> 02:14:58.039 a myriad of 02:14:58.039 --> 02:15:01.039 steps associated with let's talk about the I believe you're 02:15:01.039 --> 02:15:01.840 talking about 02:15:01.840 --> 02:15:07.039 Golden Triangle Mall the overlay district right. Once they 02:15:07.039 --> 02:15:07.640 submit for a 02:15:07.640 --> 02:15:10.760 permit that has to be cross-referenced with the conditions 02:15:10.760 --> 02:15:11.800 associated with that 02:15:11.800 --> 02:15:14.960 overlay district. Assuming everything is fine then their 02:15:14.960 --> 02:15:15.760 permits are issued to 02:15:15.760 --> 02:15:19.800 them and signs are installed and inspected so the different 02:15:19.800 --> 02:15:20.279 departments 02:15:20.279 --> 02:15:23.439 and the different teams that evaluate that. If something 02:15:23.439 --> 02:15:25.000 has been missed or you 02:15:25.000 --> 02:15:27.970 notice that there's lack of progress in some way and you've 02:15:27.970 --> 02:15:29.119 highlighted that to 02:15:29.119 --> 02:15:32.720 me I will follow up. With respect to let's take specific 02:15:32.720 --> 02:15:33.859 use permits as an 02:15:33.859 --> 02:15:37.369 example those are site plans with those site plans they our 02:15:37.369 --> 02:15:38.300 Commission has the 02:15:38.300 --> 02:15:41.810 ability to attach additional conditions to that. Those 02:15:41.810 --> 02:15:43.880 conditions become part of 02:15:43.880 --> 02:15:46.560 an ordinance as does the overlay district for signs special 02:15:46.560 --> 02:15:47.199 sign district. 02:15:47.199 --> 02:15:49.880 That ordinance is then attached to any permits that come 02:15:49.880 --> 02:15:50.840 through or that are 02:15:50.840 --> 02:15:53.319 submitted for that specific development and then they're 02:15:53.319 --> 02:15:54.399 cross-referenced from 02:15:54.399 --> 02:15:57.090 the planning team from the plans examiner building 02:15:57.090 --> 02:15:58.279 inspection team from 02:15:58.279 --> 02:16:01.399 our urban forest or in our landscape administrator as well. 02:16:01.399 --> 02:16:03.199 So everybody plays 02:16:03.199 --> 02:16:06.710 a role in evaluation of the program or the project. That 02:16:06.710 --> 02:16:08.520 timeline for that final 02:16:08.520 --> 02:16:14.739 write-off could be? Well typically we're talking about the 02:16:14.739 --> 02:16:15.319 first review is 02:16:15.319 --> 02:16:18.689 typically a 10-day time frame assuming that the application 02:16:18.689 --> 02:16:19.640 is in order as 02:16:19.640 --> 02:16:23.430 submitted and that all this all the pertinent documentation 02:16:23.430 --> 02:16:24.000 has been 02:16:24.000 --> 02:16:27.119 provided from your civil sets to your architectural site 02:16:27.119 --> 02:16:28.239 plan landscape plan 02:16:28.239 --> 02:16:32.590 all those your MEP plans for example because you're 02:16:32.590 --> 02:16:35.280 submitting for permit. 02:16:35.280 --> 02:16:38.670 More than likely I would suspect some sometimes there is a 02:16:38.670 --> 02:16:39.719 second review but 02:16:39.719 --> 02:16:43.719 we are talking every review cycle at least 10 days. We take 02:16:43.719 --> 02:16:44.959 no longer than 10 02:16:44.959 --> 02:16:51.370 days to review. Commissioner Hatchbuth. Thank you chair. I 02:16:51.370 --> 02:16:53.360 'm not sure I need help 02:16:53.360 --> 02:16:58.959 with directions. So I'd like for especially with the trees 02:16:58.959 --> 02:17:00.000 I'd like to try 02:17:00.000 --> 02:17:03.250 to quantify that in the information we get given a 02:17:03.250 --> 02:17:05.799 percentage. So let's say a 02:17:05.799 --> 02:17:09.989 heavily treed lot is going to lose X percent of its trees 02:17:09.989 --> 02:17:11.159 that sort of thing 02:17:11.159 --> 02:17:14.819 so that I can kind of get my head around what we're doing 02:17:14.819 --> 02:17:17.120 and kind of the it just 02:17:17.120 --> 02:17:20.270 helps me process so I don't know where that falls in in the 02:17:20.270 --> 02:17:21.319 process and then 02:17:21.319 --> 02:17:25.190 secondly so that's one thing. Okay. Is it okay? Now you're 02:17:25.190 --> 02:17:25.959 gonna have to remind me 02:17:25.959 --> 02:17:28.889 of the second question later. We'll do and so the other 02:17:28.889 --> 02:17:30.159 thing is I'd like to get 02:17:30.159 --> 02:17:34.190 information earlier in the process we talked in work 02:17:34.190 --> 02:17:36.239 session about things that 02:17:36.239 --> 02:17:40.770 come to planning I'd like to try to get a general list 02:17:40.770 --> 02:17:42.440 Excel anything just a 02:17:42.440 --> 02:17:46.850 simple this is what's coming in the pipeline almost like a 02:17:46.850 --> 02:17:48.280 activity report of 02:17:48.280 --> 02:17:50.790 some sort and I don't know if that's doable but that's just 02:17:50.790 --> 02:17:52.120 a wish list. Okay. 02:17:52.120 --> 02:17:56.360 I'll ask Manal to try to address your first question. The 02:17:56.360 --> 02:17:57.600 first question as it 02:17:57.600 --> 02:18:02.799 relates to a straight zoning request so a change in zoning 02:18:02.799 --> 02:18:04.239 from X district to Y 02:18:04.239 --> 02:18:08.690 district merely addresses the land use the proposed the 02:18:08.690 --> 02:18:09.840 compatibility with and 02:18:09.840 --> 02:18:12.989 that's the land use analysis. So it's difficult to quantify 02:18:12.989 --> 02:18:13.780 because a tree 02:18:13.780 --> 02:18:18.489 mitigation survey plan has not been provided a tree survey 02:18:18.489 --> 02:18:19.520 has not been 02:18:19.520 --> 02:18:22.639 provided because until the applicant is not to the point 02:18:22.639 --> 02:18:23.520 where they're ready to 02:18:23.520 --> 02:18:25.969 commit and know that they're going to get their zoning that 02:18:25.969 --> 02:18:26.760 information is not 02:18:26.760 --> 02:18:29.579 readily available sometimes it might be in the instance 02:18:29.579 --> 02:18:30.579 where it is we would 02:18:30.579 --> 02:18:35.520 provide that to you if a lot is heavily treed as we've 02:18:35.520 --> 02:18:36.879 mentioned today we work 02:18:36.879 --> 02:18:40.180 with the applicant to see what we can do but the numbers 02:18:40.180 --> 02:18:41.440 cannot be provided 02:18:41.440 --> 02:18:44.909 until let's say there's a detailed plan approval it was a 02:18:44.909 --> 02:18:46.159 specific use permit 02:18:46.159 --> 02:18:49.680 associated with that so in most instances if something goes 02:18:49.680 --> 02:18:50.079 straight to 02:18:50.079 --> 02:18:52.719 building permit that you don't even see then that you 02:18:52.719 --> 02:18:54.120 wouldn't be privy to those 02:18:54.120 --> 02:18:56.799 numbers just because of the way the process is not just in 02:18:56.799 --> 02:18:57.760 Denton but that's 02:18:57.760 --> 02:19:02.690 the typical development process. Second question what is in 02:19:02.690 --> 02:19:04.159 the pipeline and how 02:19:04.159 --> 02:19:07.899 can you be privy to it? There are some functions that go to 02:19:07.899 --> 02:19:08.520 the planning 02:19:08.520 --> 02:19:10.690 department there are some functions that go to the building 02:19:10.690 --> 02:19:11.200 inspection 02:19:11.200 --> 02:19:14.170 department and they all have a development function to it 02:19:14.170 --> 02:19:14.479 so if 02:19:14.479 --> 02:19:17.040 something is permitted by right it goes straight in for 02:19:17.040 --> 02:19:19.159 building permit. I can 02:19:19.159 --> 02:19:22.000 meet with our building official and I can meet with the 02:19:22.000 --> 02:19:23.159 planning team to see 02:19:23.159 --> 02:19:25.639 if there's something we can work out where there's a link 02:19:25.639 --> 02:19:26.479 of some sort that 02:19:26.479 --> 02:19:29.120 you can access off the website to know what is happening 02:19:29.120 --> 02:19:29.639 because my 02:19:29.639 --> 02:19:32.479 understanding is you want to know what's happening okay I 02:19:32.479 --> 02:19:33.799 'll try and get you some 02:19:33.799 --> 02:19:36.040 information pertaining to that and I you know we can give 02:19:36.040 --> 02:19:36.719 it to the whole 02:19:36.719 --> 02:19:43.850 Commission at the next meeting if I have it. Was there a 02:19:43.850 --> 02:19:44.799 third question? No? Okay. 02:19:44.799 --> 02:19:49.030 I don't see anybody else so I'm gonna step in with mine. We 02:19:49.030 --> 02:19:50.040 had a lot of 02:19:50.040 --> 02:19:54.450 discussion this evening in work session and we've had it in 02:19:54.450 --> 02:19:55.559 some prior work 02:19:55.559 --> 02:20:00.659 sessions about traffic, street improvements and I think it 02:20:00.659 --> 02:20:01.479 would be a 02:20:01.479 --> 02:20:05.450 good idea for us to get on our future agenda hopefully 02:20:05.450 --> 02:20:06.920 maybe our next work 02:20:06.920 --> 02:20:09.819 session because we are spending a lot of time on this to 02:20:09.819 --> 02:20:10.959 get an update and get 02:20:10.959 --> 02:20:15.840 some definitions from staff about perimeter street paving 02:20:15.840 --> 02:20:17.159 so that we can 02:20:17.159 --> 02:20:20.829 all understand what a developer's responsibility is how 02:20:20.829 --> 02:20:22.479 that process works 02:20:22.479 --> 02:20:25.479 whether it's the city of Denton Road or a Tech Stock Road 02:20:25.479 --> 02:20:27.120 and what things we can 02:20:27.120 --> 02:20:31.260 ask developers to do or not do and I think it would help 02:20:31.260 --> 02:20:32.159 all of us in 02:20:32.159 --> 02:20:34.709 looking at all these projects because traffic is a big 02:20:34.709 --> 02:20:36.159 concern and there are 02:20:36.159 --> 02:20:39.840 limited things that developers are responsible for and I 02:20:39.840 --> 02:20:41.000 think it'd help us 02:20:41.000 --> 02:20:44.600 all so I'd like to see that as soon as we can get that 02:20:44.600 --> 02:20:47.159 before us. 02:20:47.159 --> 02:20:53.000 Commissioner Dudowitz. Commissioner we started this 02:20:53.000 --> 02:20:54.520 discussion a year ago and 02:20:54.520 --> 02:20:58.680 we asked staff specifically do we have someone that's 02:20:58.680 --> 02:21:01.079 liaison with DOT so that 02:21:01.079 --> 02:21:05.530 we can get answers about the impact to our streets and to 02:21:05.530 --> 02:21:06.920 our area of their 02:21:06.920 --> 02:21:10.389 projects and as we have with Teasley that's a DOT and we're 02:21:10.389 --> 02:21:11.120 asked what's you 02:21:11.120 --> 02:21:14.049 know we have some sort of idea but I'm also understanding 02:21:14.049 --> 02:21:15.120 that they have more 02:21:15.120 --> 02:21:18.809 specific plans and ideas that we may be privy to a liaison 02:21:18.809 --> 02:21:20.479 from staff to DOT 02:21:20.479 --> 02:21:24.120 they could present to us and or have someone from DOT come 02:21:24.120 --> 02:21:25.159 and speak to us 02:21:25.159 --> 02:21:27.799 with regard to what their plans are and then we can hear 02:21:27.799 --> 02:21:28.959 from the horse's mouth 02:21:28.959 --> 02:21:40.649 so to speak. Thank you. Anybody else? Sure. I have a 02:21:40.649 --> 02:21:41.479 clarification question 02:21:41.479 --> 02:21:45.680 Commissioner Taylor would you like us then or is it the 02:21:45.680 --> 02:21:46.079 wish of the 02:21:46.079 --> 02:21:50.110 Commission to have an item on the next agenda to create a 02:21:50.110 --> 02:21:52.159 subcommittee to 02:21:52.159 --> 02:21:57.520 assess those? Got it. Okay thank you. 02:22:00.840 --> 02:22:03.590 Last thing I'll throw out is I want to thank staff for the 02:22:03.590 --> 02:22:06.200 update on the matrix 02:22:06.200 --> 02:22:10.399 this is something I think has come before us in the last 02:22:10.399 --> 02:22:11.799 number of months 02:22:11.799 --> 02:22:14.940 and I think it's been a great help it's been a kind of an 02:22:14.940 --> 02:22:16.200 ongoing issue as I've 02:22:16.200 --> 02:22:20.590 turned on the Commission of questions coming back of things 02:22:20.590 --> 02:22:21.479 that have been 02:22:21.479 --> 02:22:25.879 asked and maybe not been able to be gotten to yet and I 02:22:25.879 --> 02:22:27.040 think this is a great 02:22:27.040 --> 02:22:30.729 way for all of us to keep track of the items that we've 02:22:30.729 --> 02:22:32.440 asked questions about 02:22:32.440 --> 02:22:36.600 and time frames and I just appreciate staff continuing to 02:22:36.600 --> 02:22:37.120 keep this updated 02:22:37.120 --> 02:22:42.840 and bringing this to us at a very frequent basis so good 02:22:42.840 --> 02:22:45.040 job and thank you. 02:22:45.040 --> 02:22:51.680 No other speakers from the Commission and then at 7 45 I'm 02:22:51.680 --> 02:22:53.479 going to close this 02:22:53.479 --> 02:22:58.360 evening's PNZ meeting. Thank you.