1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,980 The October 7th Planning and Zoning Commission meeting work 2 00:00:03,980 --> 00:00:04,960 session has 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:11,179 been duly posted and we're ready to begin. We do have a qu 4 00:00:11,179 --> 00:00:12,820 orum. I think we 5 00:00:12,820 --> 00:00:16,420 have one missing that will be here shortly in about 10 6 00:00:16,420 --> 00:00:18,280 minutes. We're going 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:23,170 to start tonight with a review of our agenda. First item 8 00:00:23,170 --> 00:00:24,399 being does anybody 9 00:00:24,399 --> 00:00:28,800 have any questions about the minutes? 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,090 Our next item will be our consent agenda and I'll ask Menal 11 00:00:35,090 --> 00:00:37,439 to see who's going to 12 00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:40,600 present and go through these items for us. Thank you Mr. 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,240 Chair. The first consent 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,929 agenda item would be the preliminary plat for West Park 15 00:00:45,929 --> 00:00:47,039 Industrial. 16 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:51,079 Ross will go ahead and present that. 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:22,480 Good evening Commissioners. The plat is for two lots on the 18 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:23,519 northeast corner of 19 00:01:23,519 --> 00:01:32,200 Airport. Let me see. 20 00:01:53,519 --> 00:02:05,359 We just have a plat for two lots for non-residential 21 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:07,959 development. This is in 22 00:02:07,959 --> 00:02:12,699 consideration for a part of a development, economic 23 00:02:12,699 --> 00:02:15,240 development project for 24 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:23,650 Rush Enterprises. There will be completing a facility to 25 00:02:23,650 --> 00:02:24,199 customize 26 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:28,800 truck vehicles for Peterbilt on this lot and then this lot 27 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,479 will be a future phase 28 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:33,990 with a future development. They haven't submitted the 29 00:02:33,990 --> 00:02:35,240 building permit yet for 30 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:40,639 this yet so we're looking at the preliminary plat and a 31 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:40,919 final 32 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,219 plan will be issued when they when they get ready for 33 00:02:45,219 --> 00:02:51,000 construction. Any questions? 34 00:02:51,000 --> 00:03:02,280 Questions on this item? Thank you. Moving along to the next 35 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,919 plat we have 36 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,810 the plat for Cooke Children's Razor Ranch Edition and 37 00:03:06,810 --> 00:03:08,280 Sophie Hummer will go ahead 38 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,939 and provide the description on this property and what is 39 00:03:11,939 --> 00:03:13,280 being proposed for 40 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:21,169 development. This is the final plat for lot one block A of 41 00:03:21,169 --> 00:03:22,080 the Cooke Children's 42 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,319 Razor Ranch Edition. This is lot one. The preliminary plat 43 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:27,479 was approved earlier 44 00:03:27,479 --> 00:03:32,580 this year in May. You also approved a site plan for this 45 00:03:32,580 --> 00:03:33,520 project earlier this 46 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:39,520 year and this is the final plat. Any questions on this item 47 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,879 ? Commissioner Backer. 48 00:03:41,879 --> 00:03:46,719 What is Cooke Children's Razor Ranch Edition? It is a 49 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:49,800 medical center. It'll be a pediatric 50 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,879 clinic. It's going to sit in between the select 51 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:55,900 rehabilitation hospital and what 52 00:03:55,900 --> 00:04:01,900 looks like on Google Maps. Are those what condensate tanks 53 00:04:01,900 --> 00:04:03,960 over there near Bonnie 54 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:10,180 Bray? It's I guess it'd be the southeast corner of Bonnie 55 00:04:10,180 --> 00:04:10,699 Bray and 56 00:04:10,699 --> 00:04:16,649 didn't they do some drilling there? Yeah what and what's 57 00:04:16,649 --> 00:04:17,720 there now? Are those 58 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,759 condensate tanks? 59 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:26,339 Darren Groth, Gaswell Administrator. Hey, Darren Groth, Gas 60 00:04:26,339 --> 00:04:28,800 well Administrator. I know some of 61 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,800 you have turned over since I've been here last but thought 62 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,560 I'd introduce myself. 63 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,579 The site at Bonnie Bray in Scripture has three wells on it. 64 00:04:35,579 --> 00:04:36,680 They do have some 65 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,670 produced water tanks. They don't have any condensate tanks 66 00:04:39,670 --> 00:04:41,879 on that site but it's I 67 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:44,240 don't know the measurement but it's to the east of this 68 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,120 site. So water tanks 69 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:52,339 that's all in. Produced water tanks. Okay. This meets the 70 00:04:52,339 --> 00:04:53,920 fire code and the debt and development code 71 00:04:53,920 --> 00:05:01,199 requirements. Okay. Any other questions on this item? Thank 72 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:03,279 you, Sophie. Moving on to the next, we're 73 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,139 going to actually skip Brubson Ranch to await Commissioner 74 00:05:07,139 --> 00:05:08,600 Brighill. She had some 75 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,370 questions on that and had requested that she have the 76 00:05:11,370 --> 00:05:12,959 opportunity to do so. If we 77 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:15,670 can go ahead and skip to the preliminary plat for Perfect 78 00:05:15,670 --> 00:05:16,920 Finish Landscaping. 79 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,199 Julie White is going to present this on behalf of Mike Bell 80 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:21,199 . 81 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:32,480 All right. This is a preliminary plat for a to create one 82 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:33,720 non-residential lot. They 83 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,000 intend to develop the property with an office warehouse 84 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,680 type development. 85 00:05:42,959 --> 00:05:48,800 Do you have any questions? Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 86 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,600 Commissioner Beck. I was pulling up the 87 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:57,819 plat myself. They're intending to develop the property with 88 00:05:57,819 --> 00:05:59,279 an office type and 89 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,959 warehouse type development. It's in an employment center 90 00:06:02,959 --> 00:06:03,600 industrial zoning 91 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,579 district. That's a preliminary use. So no industry, light 92 00:06:07,579 --> 00:06:10,480 industry, manufacturing? They haven't given any other level 93 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:10,560 of 94 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,550 detail for that. Any use that would go in would have to be 95 00:06:13,550 --> 00:06:14,399 a permitted use within 96 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:18,649 the zoning district that's located in. Okay. It's close to 97 00:06:18,649 --> 00:06:21,180 homes on both sides. You've got the house on the west side, 98 00:06:21,180 --> 00:06:23,560 I believe, in the trailer park on the other side. There's 99 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,199 been no... this doesn't conflict with that. They would have 100 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:27,720 to meet the buffer 101 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,019 requirements within the Ditten Development Code and if it 102 00:06:30,019 --> 00:06:30,920 was an industrial 103 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,529 type development, I believe that's a type D buffer which is 104 00:06:34,529 --> 00:06:36,319 a 30-foot landscape 105 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:41,110 buffer between them and any residential development. It is 106 00:06:41,110 --> 00:06:43,720 30 feet. Yes, absolutely 107 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,959 correct. Julie is correct with that. However, they did 108 00:06:45,959 --> 00:06:46,959 request, the applicant 109 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:49,319 did request a variance from the Zoning Board of Adjustment 110 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:50,000 to reduce that 111 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,970 buffer width to 20 feet which would still include tree 112 00:06:52,970 --> 00:06:54,199 plantings adjacent to 113 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:56,259 the residential district. And that's okay with the home 114 00:06:56,259 --> 00:06:57,879 owner there? Right. So they went 115 00:06:57,879 --> 00:07:00,040 through public hearing with the Zoning Board of Adjustment. 116 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:00,839 It was a public 117 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,629 hearing notification was offered and to my knowledge there 118 00:07:04,629 --> 00:07:05,680 was no issue with the 119 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,129 surrounding property owners either. Okay. Good deal. Thank 120 00:07:10,129 --> 00:07:14,160 you. Commissioner Hatchbeth. I have just a general question 121 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,149 while this is here though. Regarding the preliminary plat, 122 00:07:18,149 --> 00:07:19,360 can you give me an 123 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,410 overview of that process? How do we get to that? What does 124 00:07:22,410 --> 00:07:24,720 that entail in subsequent... 125 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,670 obviously there's final plat and so you know so if I can 126 00:07:27,670 --> 00:07:30,000 get a timeline. To put it 127 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,660 in... to give you a synopsis, the preliminary plat is more 128 00:07:33,660 --> 00:07:34,720 of a macro level. It 129 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,220 could identify a large acreage, a large substantial piece 130 00:07:38,220 --> 00:07:39,879 of property that a 131 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:42,740 developer potentially has intent to develop. However, it 132 00:07:42,740 --> 00:07:43,600 could be a phase 133 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,110 development or a phase program and so through that they 134 00:07:46,110 --> 00:07:47,240 could carve out pieces 135 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,750 within that preliminary plat that would enable them to 136 00:07:50,750 --> 00:07:52,160 final plat and provide 137 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,939 full-blown engineering or civil drawings associated with 138 00:07:54,939 --> 00:07:55,839 that to make sure the 139 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:59,079 infrastructure needs are met and addressed for that 140 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:00,160 specific area. The 141 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,800 preliminary plat gives you a schematic and conceptual 142 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:03,879 layout as to engineering 143 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:07,040 your street layout and as you move forward and fine-tune 144 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:07,920 what exactly 145 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,939 you're going to do, how much acreage you're going to use 146 00:08:09,939 --> 00:08:11,019 for that. So you could have 147 00:08:11,019 --> 00:08:14,360 a hundred acres for example that was preliminary platted 148 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,160 and with that 149 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,500 perhaps in phase one only ten acres came in. That ten acres 150 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:19,319 would then become 151 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:23,230 your final plot which would have a more thorough study, 152 00:08:23,230 --> 00:08:24,920 complete study on your 153 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,579 infrastructure requirements which is your water, your sewer 154 00:08:29,579 --> 00:08:30,720 , your street. Drainage. 155 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:39,240 So at what level is that scrutinized? I mean you know is it 156 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,159 ... I think I 157 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:44,019 understand your question. Yes. I think so. So I'm going to 158 00:08:44,019 --> 00:08:45,080 take the liberty to try 159 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,960 and answer it without you completing it so I apologize in 160 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,879 advance. The 161 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:54,389 Development Services Department has a Development Review 162 00:08:54,389 --> 00:08:55,159 Committee. The 163 00:08:55,159 --> 00:08:58,379 Development Review Committee houses the planning discipline 164 00:08:58,379 --> 00:08:59,440 , the engineering 165 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,679 discipline, FHIR, plans examiners which is your building 166 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,519 inspection team and then 167 00:09:04,519 --> 00:09:07,539 when I talk about the engineering team we're talking about 168 00:09:07,539 --> 00:09:08,159 the entire 169 00:09:08,159 --> 00:09:11,210 engineering team which addresses utilities, which addresses 170 00:09:11,210 --> 00:09:11,759 your roadways, 171 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:15,269 which addresses what the master thoroughfare plan and 172 00:09:15,269 --> 00:09:16,559 infrastructure plan 173 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,110 requires and all those disciplines come together and they 174 00:09:20,110 --> 00:09:21,159 review the final 175 00:09:21,159 --> 00:09:24,230 plot such as this. So if you notice on this final plot it 176 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:25,720 identifies easements 177 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,940 as well. These easements are necessary to ensure that the 178 00:09:28,940 --> 00:09:30,320 site functions not just 179 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,059 from an access point but when we talk about drainage. Is 180 00:09:33,059 --> 00:09:34,120 there water to the 181 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,919 site? Is there sewer to the site? How do we... if it's not 182 00:09:36,919 --> 00:09:37,919 there how do we bring it 183 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:41,600 there? What needs to happen to allow this site to function? 184 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:42,759 You mean preliminary 185 00:09:42,759 --> 00:09:47,000 plot? I was talking about... well the preliminary plot is 186 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,000 more schematic and 187 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,720 then the final plot delves into that information more. 188 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,000 Right. It's basically to make 189 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,440 sure that the developers are on the right track before they 190 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:56,039 have to bring 191 00:09:56,039 --> 00:09:59,120 forward serious engineering drawings for the final plan. 192 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,080 Got it. That's the function of it 193 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:08,149 and it's at the initial outset for the project. Okay. You 194 00:10:08,149 --> 00:10:10,960 have some follow-up 195 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,440 questions? Well yeah I just don't... I still don't 196 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,759 understand. For example if I 197 00:10:17,759 --> 00:10:22,360 if I'm if I'm gonna develop this the green area out front 198 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,559 here and I... is there 199 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,009 any scrutiny to that? Is there no that's not feasible? Are 200 00:10:28,009 --> 00:10:29,000 we cutting them off at 201 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,639 the pass early saying hey that's not possible? Correct. Or 202 00:10:31,639 --> 00:10:32,679 can someone bring us 203 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,279 a plan for anything and it passes the first preliminary 204 00:10:36,279 --> 00:10:37,799 step and then goes in 205 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:40,889 the detail? I just don't know at what level so I understand 206 00:10:40,889 --> 00:10:41,720 the disciplines 207 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:48,279 that go into the final... but the preliminary what is... 208 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:48,960 and the same 209 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,529 discipline evaluates from the onset. Let's talk about use. 210 00:10:53,529 --> 00:10:54,039 For instance 211 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:56,120 Commissioner Beck brought that up. Can they do what they're 212 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:56,879 doing in ECI with 213 00:10:56,879 --> 00:10:59,559 this one for example? Yes they can. The use is permitted. 214 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:00,600 What are the zoning 215 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,299 requirements in terms of lot width or lot area as we speak 216 00:11:03,299 --> 00:11:04,840 to residential? All 217 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,379 those from a preliminary discussion standpoint are 218 00:11:07,379 --> 00:11:09,159 addressed. So you cannot 219 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:12,120 proceed into a final without addressing your preliminary 220 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:12,960 and you wouldn't go 221 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,559 forward from your initial conversation. We enable initial 222 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:17,879 conversation with our 223 00:11:17,879 --> 00:11:21,169 external stakeholders so we can understand their project 224 00:11:21,169 --> 00:11:21,919 and they can 225 00:11:21,919 --> 00:11:24,720 vet it with us prior to them even submitting their 226 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,279 preliminary plat. Got it. 227 00:11:26,279 --> 00:11:28,840 There you go. Thank you. I'll add one more thing to that. 228 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,279 There's a there's a 229 00:11:30,279 --> 00:11:33,750 preliminary step that you can do as a developer that even 230 00:11:33,750 --> 00:11:34,639 comes before a 231 00:11:34,639 --> 00:11:36,940 preliminary plat and it's called a development review 232 00:11:36,940 --> 00:11:37,559 committee or a 233 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:42,769 pre-construction type meeting and it's a very inexpensive 234 00:11:42,769 --> 00:11:44,639 way to take a piece of 235 00:11:44,639 --> 00:11:48,340 property that you're unfamiliar with and it's I think it's 236 00:11:48,340 --> 00:11:51,000 a $250 fee that you 237 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,259 present and to the board that... and I was talking about 238 00:11:54,259 --> 00:11:57,279 the the the DRC and the 239 00:11:57,279 --> 00:11:59,639 development review committee and all those departments will 240 00:11:59,639 --> 00:12:00,279 come and review 241 00:12:00,279 --> 00:12:02,509 that particular project. It's usually done within a couple 242 00:12:02,509 --> 00:12:03,639 weeks and it does 243 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:06,370 exactly what she's talking about. It does a very 244 00:12:06,370 --> 00:12:08,159 preliminary say we have a six 245 00:12:08,159 --> 00:12:10,710 inch water line out in front there's a ten inch sewer line 246 00:12:10,710 --> 00:12:12,179 down here what are 247 00:12:12,179 --> 00:12:15,259 the easements what are your zoning's and kind of gives you 248 00:12:15,259 --> 00:12:17,000 a very quick snapshot 249 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,019 without getting into a lot of engineering drawings to kind 250 00:12:20,019 --> 00:12:20,440 of y'all's 251 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,080 point of what can you do this piece of property and what's 252 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,080 involved before 253 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,090 somebody starts writing big checks for engineers and civil 254 00:12:29,090 --> 00:12:30,120 engineers and 255 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,919 surveyors and so you really go through and in my experience 256 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:34,600 that's a 257 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,320 no-brainer to go through first and get some feedback and if 258 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,480 it is positive and 259 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,929 you look like you can do what you need to do then you move 260 00:12:41,929 --> 00:12:43,159 on to your 261 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:47,480 preliminary platting and then on to final plat so this is 262 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:48,440 just a preliminary 263 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,190 plat it's kind of would be a step to after somebody may 264 00:12:51,190 --> 00:12:51,840 have done a 265 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:57,159 preliminary development review. So this will come back 266 00:12:57,159 --> 00:12:58,879 again for a final plat. 267 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:02,960 Commissioner Dutta-Witts. I can just add that's why it's 268 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:03,840 part of a consent 269 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,350 agenda it's telling us it's already been through review 270 00:13:07,350 --> 00:13:09,259 processes and been vetted 271 00:13:09,259 --> 00:13:12,289 at that level for the preliminary stuff you know water 272 00:13:12,289 --> 00:13:13,679 lines and easements and 273 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,159 things like that so it's pretty much you know understanding 274 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:19,039 that that's been 275 00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:21,509 vetted and now we can move forward and get into other 276 00:13:21,509 --> 00:13:22,860 details as we get to final 277 00:13:22,860 --> 00:13:25,159 plants and then if there's any rezoning or other things 278 00:13:25,159 --> 00:13:26,120 that's when it really 279 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,399 gets serious with us. Sit down and see if that makes sense. 280 00:13:30,399 --> 00:13:36,350 We've got Commissioner Brighill has joined us and I believe 281 00:13:36,350 --> 00:13:37,480 there was an item that we had 282 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,029 skipped that do you need a few more minutes we'll go on to 283 00:13:40,029 --> 00:13:43,600 another item. We're 284 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,409 going to move on to our next item which is going to be the 285 00:13:46,409 --> 00:13:51,440 sprouts edition. 286 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,840 This might look familiar this is sprouts you've seen it 287 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:54,600 before it was actually 288 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,980 this this plat was actually approved by this this 289 00:13:58,980 --> 00:14:01,679 Commission previously however 290 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,480 they've decided to instead of do underground detention they 291 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:06,200 decided to 292 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,559 detain on the site so it's changed a couple of things on 293 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:10,639 the plat so in 294 00:14:10,639 --> 00:14:13,279 abundance of caution we've brought it back so you can look 295 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:14,379 and see at it see 296 00:14:14,379 --> 00:14:21,600 it again. Any questions on this particular item? 297 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:22,840 Commissioner Betk. I have 298 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:29,240 questions though. Thank you. Again being Teasley like it is 299 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:30,759 until this road gets 300 00:14:30,759 --> 00:14:34,250 fixed concerned about the flow of traffic I didn't see 301 00:14:34,250 --> 00:14:35,200 anything on the 302 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,100 plan here and I just may not be reading it right but coming 303 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:40,840 from down Teasley 304 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,919 heading south when you want to turn into sprouts are they 305 00:14:44,919 --> 00:14:45,639 going to add a lane 306 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:49,759 where you can do that off of Teasley and if not why not and 307 00:14:49,759 --> 00:14:50,720 do we have the right 308 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:57,080 to ask them to do that? I'm going to call Earl Escobar up. 309 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,159 Preach it to the choir. 310 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,700 Earl Escobar engineering. The construction plans for 311 00:15:06,700 --> 00:15:08,120 sprouts are 312 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:12,740 proposing two entrances off of Teasley Lane. One's located 313 00:15:12,740 --> 00:15:13,919 at the common 314 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:18,539 property line between their site and the site to the north 315 00:15:18,539 --> 00:15:19,919 and then one is 316 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:24,139 further north within the property to the north because that 317 00:15:24,139 --> 00:15:26,639 's where the median 318 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:29,039 opening will be upon the widening of Teasley Lane. Further 319 00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:31,919 north? Yes. Okay. 320 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:38,570 But both entrances will have a dedicated right turn lane an 321 00:15:38,570 --> 00:15:39,840 additional lane to 322 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,100 transition into their side. Okay that's what I was asking. 323 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:45,480 In other words people won't have to start backing up when 324 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,000 somebody's going to come in. 325 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,159 And then the entrance to the north the off-site entrance 326 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:51,039 will also have a 327 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:54,750 dedicated left turn lane as well. This entrance that's 328 00:15:54,750 --> 00:15:56,320 located between the two 329 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,480 properties that's only going to be a right in and a right 330 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:00,720 out type driveway. 331 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,789 Now is this purely an entrance or is it an entrance and 332 00:16:03,789 --> 00:16:05,919 exit? Both driveways are 333 00:16:05,919 --> 00:16:10,460 exits and entrances but the only difference between this 334 00:16:10,460 --> 00:16:11,360 one that's 335 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,769 between the two properties and the one further north is 336 00:16:13,769 --> 00:16:14,600 that the one further 337 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:21,039 north is a full exit. You can exit left or right as opposed 338 00:16:21,039 --> 00:16:21,960 to this one right 339 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,919 here which is only a right out. Was there any consideration 340 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:28,519 to making those purely 341 00:16:28,519 --> 00:16:32,120 entrances and letting the exit traffic go out Hickory Road 342 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,639 there at the light and 343 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:38,120 the reason I again unless there's a light there people are 344 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:38,840 you know it's a 345 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,149 challenge to get over in the other lane because you got 346 00:16:43,149 --> 00:16:45,120 cross traffic there. Was 347 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,669 there any consideration that this would be a problem with 348 00:16:47,669 --> 00:16:48,799 exiting traffic out of 349 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:53,019 there heading back north on Teesley? There was some concern 350 00:16:53,019 --> 00:16:53,679 on the first 351 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:58,080 entrance the southern entrance to only make that an exit 352 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:58,639 right to the right 353 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:03,360 only as opposed to a left turn exit or a full entrance just 354 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,279 because of a 355 00:17:04,279 --> 00:17:08,549 potential left turn movements into the site given the 356 00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:09,839 vicinity to the 357 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:12,839 intersection of Hickory Creek Road and Teesley we didn't 358 00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:13,960 want traffic to back 359 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,789 up into that intersection so we we require that to just be 360 00:17:17,789 --> 00:17:18,599 a strictly a 361 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:21,440 right in right out. The one further north is quite a ways 362 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:21,680 from that 363 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,569 intersection so we were comfortable enough with that being 364 00:17:24,569 --> 00:17:26,519 a full entry. 365 00:17:26,519 --> 00:17:31,680 Okay. Thank you. Question? Commissioner Detowitz. While you 366 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:32,599 're up there have we 367 00:17:32,599 --> 00:17:35,930 seen any preliminary drawings from DOT because that is a 368 00:17:35,930 --> 00:17:37,240 DOT right away? Yes there 369 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,710 are actual design plans for this project now they're 370 00:17:40,710 --> 00:17:42,160 scheduled to. I'm 371 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,759 talking about the whole Teesley project not just this area. 372 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:47,000 I'm not familiar with 373 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,049 the whole set of plans there are a set of plans I just 374 00:17:50,049 --> 00:17:51,079 focus for this project. 375 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:54,680 Because we've been we've been seeing additional sprouts and 376 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,720 other other types 377 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,400 of development from even further north in Teesley down from 378 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,640 the library we have a 379 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:07,279 senior citizen home we have I don't know how many homes are 380 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:08,480 going up there at 381 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,769 Ryan Road and now we have the neighborhood Walmart coming 382 00:18:13,769 --> 00:18:14,400 in and we 383 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,940 have sprouts and then further further further all the way 384 00:18:16,940 --> 00:18:17,759 down and we've had 385 00:18:17,759 --> 00:18:21,470 some public interest about the traffic and all those and 386 00:18:21,470 --> 00:18:23,480 yet it's still a DOT 387 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,740 project. Yeah the scope of the project is from it's from at 388 00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:28,599 the intersection of 389 00:18:28,599 --> 00:18:31,279 Teesley and Teesley or Lillian Miller that little corner 390 00:18:31,279 --> 00:18:32,240 there all the way down 391 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,579 to 35. Right now they're working on 35 all the way to 2499 392 00:18:36,579 --> 00:18:37,680 I believe somewhere 393 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,930 in that area. But we have not seen their plans so how do we 394 00:18:40,930 --> 00:18:42,599 integrate our our 395 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:46,579 designs of ins and outs and X's? Oh we've in there we've 396 00:18:46,579 --> 00:18:47,599 coordinated okay 397 00:18:47,599 --> 00:18:50,940 textile plants with this development and that's the reason 398 00:18:50,940 --> 00:18:52,559 why they had that that 399 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:56,029 driveway to the north off site is located where it is is 400 00:18:56,029 --> 00:18:57,000 because that's 401 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,779 where the ultimate median opening will be. Now secondary to 402 00:19:00,779 --> 00:19:02,039 that is is Hickory 403 00:19:02,039 --> 00:19:06,119 Creek Road and Ryan Road and all those roads that parallel. 404 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,079 Those are city roadways. 405 00:19:07,079 --> 00:19:09,519 Those are city roads and we've been asking about where 406 00:19:09,519 --> 00:19:10,440 which the plans for 407 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:16,079 traffic lights and traffic enhancing whatever they may be 408 00:19:16,079 --> 00:19:16,680 exits and 409 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,470 entrances those developments that are coming in. Yes as 410 00:19:19,470 --> 00:19:21,079 part of the sprouts 411 00:19:21,079 --> 00:19:24,140 development they are going to be widening Hickory Creek 412 00:19:24,140 --> 00:19:25,680 Road I believe 413 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,359 they are constructing three additional lanes because it's a 414 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:29,119 six lane roadway 415 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,180 and I believe there's already three lanes on the south side 416 00:19:31,180 --> 00:19:31,839 they're going to 417 00:19:31,839 --> 00:19:35,130 build a three on the north side along with turn lines as 418 00:19:35,130 --> 00:19:36,519 well along their 419 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:40,440 frontage. And Ryan Road? Ryan Road the Walmart development 420 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,119 is building I believe 421 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,359 their frontage. What about the other end of it where the 422 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:45,240 other developments are 423 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,400 going in? The Country Club Road which is a stop sign now 424 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,359 and people can't turn 425 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,559 left or right because of the traffic on Country Club and 426 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:55,400 Ryan. They are cost 427 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,470 participating they're proportionate. What's the city 428 00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:59,839 planning to do at that? I 429 00:19:59,839 --> 00:20:02,130 would just like to make a point of order if we could just 430 00:20:02,130 --> 00:20:03,160 stick to the item 431 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,880 that's specifically. I disagree I think this is this is 432 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,799 relevant to the whole 433 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:12,930 development of that area of traffic is incredible and if it 434 00:20:12,930 --> 00:20:14,039 doesn't flow down 435 00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:17,109 easily it's it's hitting the other the other arterials in 436 00:20:17,109 --> 00:20:18,359 there and it's backing 437 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,559 up all kinds of traffic. So it's a discussion about traffic 438 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:23,400 which was the 439 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,359 question was raised. I guess to answer your question on 440 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,359 Country Club and Ryan. 441 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,109 There are also applies to Hickory Creek to where it bumps 442 00:20:33,109 --> 00:20:36,799 in. Right. Well Hickory 443 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:38,700 Creek and Fort Worth Drive there's a textile project for 444 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:39,440 Fort Worth Drive as 445 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,549 well. I'm not exactly sure when it's slated to begin but 446 00:20:43,549 --> 00:20:45,000 there are going to 447 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,490 be improvements to that or those intersections as well in 448 00:20:48,490 --> 00:20:49,200 terms of 449 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,309 signalization of Country Club and Ryan Road. All we can ask 450 00:20:53,309 --> 00:20:54,680 them to do is cost 451 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,519 contribute their fair share for those intersections 452 00:20:58,519 --> 00:21:00,279 whenever a development 453 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:03,029 comes in within the vicinity of that intersection and it's 454 00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:03,880 just really up to 455 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,190 the city to supplement it. So the city is saying that you 456 00:21:08,190 --> 00:21:08,960 're looking to the 457 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,910 developers to do something and you won't do anything until 458 00:21:11,910 --> 00:21:14,480 they participate? It's 459 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,119 a requirement for them to cost participate towards those 460 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:17,799 improvements. 461 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:21,839 Okay. But unless it's a significant development and they 462 00:21:21,839 --> 00:21:23,440 are willing to go 463 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,990 ahead and construct it like for example Razor Ranch, went 464 00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:28,240 ahead and 465 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,759 constructed signals along. We have approved number of 466 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:31,480 developments along 467 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,119 Ryan and along Hickory Creek and we've not seen anything 468 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,440 that suggests 469 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,200 what's going to happen to the traffic of those additional 470 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,079 home sites and 471 00:21:40,079 --> 00:21:44,160 developments on other city streets and it seems to be the 472 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,640 vacant part of all the 473 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,640 discussion. Well the city roadways, we analyzed the city 474 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:50,319 roadways when those 475 00:21:50,319 --> 00:21:53,119 developments came in and they've named at the minimum level 476 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:54,279 of service. It's 477 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:58,039 the TechSot roadways that we have the problems with mainly 478 00:21:58,039 --> 00:21:59,839 because Teasley 479 00:21:59,839 --> 00:22:02,259 right now is a two-lane roadway. It's slated to be a six 480 00:22:02,259 --> 00:22:04,039 lane but we're at the 481 00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:08,880 mercy of TechSot schedule. I appreciate your answers. I did 482 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:09,960 that for some of our 483 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,640 new members because we've been having this discussion on 484 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:13,599 traffic in Teasley 485 00:22:13,599 --> 00:22:17,200 and all that part of development there for at least my 486 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:17,799 tenure on the 487 00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:21,779 Commission. So we still have a lot of answers that we need 488 00:22:21,779 --> 00:22:23,319 to get and it's 489 00:22:23,319 --> 00:22:25,799 just I believe the traffic is going to get worse and worse 490 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:27,119 because of a number 491 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,640 of homes and developments that we've approved in there 492 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,000 without making any 493 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,349 adjustments to the traffic flow. I agree. I mean I think 494 00:22:34,349 --> 00:22:36,079 once Teasley gets widened into the six lanes 495 00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:39,720 it'll alleviate a lot of that traffic at least from my 496 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,279 thoroughfare standpoint. 497 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:44,880 I'm on the main corridor there. I think we have another 498 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:45,880 question. Commissioner Taylor? 499 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,160 Just a brief follow-up. What is the expected date of 500 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,519 completion of the 501 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:56,970 TechSot widening of Teasley lane? Completion or start? Let 502 00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:58,559 's start with the start. 503 00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:03,809 We'll start with the start. Start is I believe it's August 504 00:23:03,809 --> 00:23:07,240 2017. From Lillian 505 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,150 Miller to 2499 I believe is the scope of that work. Complet 506 00:23:12,150 --> 00:23:13,799 ion is about three to 507 00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:20,720 five years. So sometime between 2017 and 2021-22 this will 508 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:21,440 be complete and 509 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,759 you'll have a median and ride in ride outs. 510 00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:33,200 Commissioner Rossell? This might be for Miss Wyatt. Can you 511 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,640 explain the change 512 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,109 and the first plat in this plat you said is about detain 513 00:23:38,109 --> 00:23:39,599 ment? Can you elaborate on that? 514 00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:45,200 They originally were going to detain any runoff underneath 515 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,880 the site. 516 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,099 When they got the cost estimates of that they elected to go 517 00:23:50,099 --> 00:23:51,200 ahead and detain on 518 00:23:51,200 --> 00:24:00,740 site. So that's what's changed. Thank you. Any other 519 00:24:00,740 --> 00:24:03,680 questions on this item? 520 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,460 Amber are you ready to? Yeah I am and thanks for waiting. 521 00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:12,640 We're one car family with two kids and a lot of after- 522 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,640 school activities. 523 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,410 So sorry I was late. Thank you. We're gonna back up then 524 00:24:18,410 --> 00:24:19,799 and catch the Robson 525 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:23,569 Ranch item I think. Yes thank you. So I just had two 526 00:24:23,569 --> 00:24:25,759 questions. We haven't even 527 00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:30,359 had any talk on that. Who's going to present that? 528 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,430 So this is a Robson Ranch unit 10-2. You've seen the 529 00:24:36,430 --> 00:24:38,720 preliminary plat. 10-1 530 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,509 which is another part of this unit 10 has been approved the 531 00:24:43,509 --> 00:24:44,599 final plat. So this 532 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:49,549 is the final plat for 10-2 for residential development and 533 00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:50,000 open space 534 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:57,359 lots as well. Commissioner Bugele? Thank you Chair. Miss 535 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,420 Wyatt I have two 536 00:24:58,420 --> 00:25:02,980 questions. The first one is I see there are and I was 537 00:25:02,980 --> 00:25:04,920 looking for like a key or 538 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,519 something. There are some letters with circles around them 539 00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:09,119 and some of these 540 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,509 lots for example lot 63 has a letter I with a circle around 541 00:25:13,509 --> 00:25:16,319 it 28 has an H with 542 00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:19,819 the circle. 51 has got an I again. I thought I saw an E on 543 00:25:19,819 --> 00:25:20,319 there. I've just 544 00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:22,130 I've never seen that on these plats before and I was 545 00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:23,119 looking for a key. I was 546 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,559 just kind of curious what those are the blocks. Oh thank 547 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:28,400 you. It is somewhat 548 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,740 unclear and if you'd like I could have the applicant add 549 00:25:31,740 --> 00:25:33,359 block to those if it 550 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,000 wouldn't add more clarity to it. No it's fine. I was just 551 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,359 looking I didn't understand why 552 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,410 there were why that was there. I hadn't seen that. I can 553 00:25:40,410 --> 00:25:41,200 see how that would be 554 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,400 unclear. Okay thank you and the second question is I'm 555 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,759 curious I've seen on on 556 00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:51,329 other plats we're starting to now put in gas wells even if 557 00:25:51,329 --> 00:25:52,440 they're not 558 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,890 specifically to that development but if they're in the 559 00:25:54,890 --> 00:25:55,720 proximity of the 560 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,400 neighborhood they're kind of grayed out and we can see them 561 00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,119 and I know that 562 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,029 there are gas wells at Robeson Ranch. I didn't see anything 563 00:26:02,029 --> 00:26:02,920 like that on this 564 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,980 plat and I was curious is that because it's an MPC and 565 00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:05,759 therefore it's not 566 00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:15,559 required or clarify that. There is a gas well a gas park is 567 00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:16,279 what they're called in 568 00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:19,750 Robeson Ranch. It's adjacent to the property so it's not on 569 00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:20,960 this exact 570 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,480 property so we didn't include it in the plat. But I've seen 571 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,720 that even when it's 572 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,369 not included on that specific development if there's a 573 00:26:28,369 --> 00:26:29,079 development 574 00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:32,799 nearby I've seen that grayed out on other plats just to 575 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:33,720 show that there is 576 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,759 something in the area. Am I I'm not imagining that we've 577 00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:38,640 seen that before. No 578 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,259 I don't believe you are imagining that I think what we were 579 00:26:41,259 --> 00:26:42,720 talking of what we've 580 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,730 seen in the past where you saw a an as built or shaded in 581 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:47,940 location of an 582 00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:51,410 existing gas well in relation to the overall site. That's 583 00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:52,000 exactly in this 584 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,619 instance we have a planned development district and we have 585 00:26:54,619 --> 00:26:55,480 a separate detail 586 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,730 plan for the gas well park so the conditions that dictate 587 00:26:59,730 --> 00:27:00,440 both are 588 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,269 different. Right so it's why you see it this way. It's not 589 00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:03,960 necessary it's not 590 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,859 required. Right we're not in error with this plot nor we 591 00:27:07,859 --> 00:27:08,960 are in error with the 592 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,160 other. Okay that answers my question thank you. Any other 593 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:14,519 questions? 594 00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:18,029 Commissioner Beck. Thank you Chair. Could you put that 595 00:27:18,029 --> 00:27:19,279 drawing back up there that 596 00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:29,440 showed the gas part? Okay. Right the proximity of that part 597 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,359 to the area that's going to be 598 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:36,009 developed seems pretty close is that within the back sets? 599 00:27:36,009 --> 00:27:36,720 It meets the 600 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,779 requirements of the Robeson Ranch plan development. They 601 00:27:40,779 --> 00:27:42,839 have a separate set 602 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:46,440 of rules for their gas parks and this does meet their 603 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,599 requirements for 604 00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:54,880 separation. Okay so Denton's guidelines don't fall in here? 605 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,079 I'm going to call up 606 00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:58,099 Darren Grove just so he can give you a little more 607 00:27:58,099 --> 00:27:59,319 background on it might make 608 00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:07,099 it a little clearer. Okay yeah the Robeson PD addresses set 609 00:28:07,099 --> 00:28:08,480 backs and so what we did 610 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,119 here recently in August was adopt an ordinance that 611 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,680 addresses if a master 612 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,539 plan community or plan development were to change any of 613 00:28:16,539 --> 00:28:17,920 their zoning documents 614 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,910 they would actually have to come in with a unified plan and 615 00:28:20,910 --> 00:28:22,039 address the setbacks 616 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:25,109 with the gas well operator and the surface developer. Since 617 00:28:25,109 --> 00:28:25,859 this is still a 618 00:28:25,859 --> 00:28:28,109 plat and not addressing the zoning as we all pointed out in 619 00:28:28,109 --> 00:28:29,880 the last answer the 620 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:35,200 plat isn't in conflict with our new ordinance because the 621 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,279 previous PD would 622 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:39,789 still apply and in that PD there was only a 100 foot set 623 00:28:39,789 --> 00:28:42,079 back so it definitely 624 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:46,599 meets that. Right now we would have a different set of 625 00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:47,640 regulations if they 626 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,150 were going through a zoning change and I think one of the 627 00:28:51,150 --> 00:28:52,720 examples was probably 628 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,210 Sophie's case previously where the zoning ordinance 629 00:28:55,210 --> 00:28:56,319 actually required the 630 00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:59,390 plat to show those so again the zoning change would be the 631 00:28:59,390 --> 00:29:00,400 key here this is a 632 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,559 plat that we're addressing. And the zoning change would 633 00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:04,640 come through this 634 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,799 committee. Yes sir. Okay so my question so it's only a 635 00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:12,720 hundred feet then. Correct. 636 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,680 And we've got minimum on new homes I believe is 500 feet 637 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,559 when you're building 638 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,079 a new area. A new home to an existing drilling and 639 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:23,920 production site outside of a 640 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,609 PD except for that unifying plan would be a 250 foot 641 00:29:27,609 --> 00:29:29,480 distance okay except for the 642 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,519 structure to any pieces of equipment that would hold 643 00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:35,240 explosive liquids or 644 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,730 gases that would be 300 feet. So are we gonna have problems 645 00:29:39,730 --> 00:29:41,000 with this when they 646 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,650 start building homes then? Is this still outside the 250? 647 00:29:45,650 --> 00:29:48,079 It won't be a problem 648 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:51,569 because of the set of separation standards that they will 649 00:29:51,569 --> 00:29:52,519 be developing 650 00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:56,349 under until Robeson were to come in and amend the plan 651 00:29:56,349 --> 00:29:59,160 development itself then we 652 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,839 would get that unified plan that would address the setbacks 653 00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:03,240 either to today's 654 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,920 250 foot or even greater in some examples but the 100 foot 655 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:09,480 distance is 656 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,660 what they will develop under so it won't be a conflict with 657 00:30:11,660 --> 00:30:12,279 the ordinance 658 00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:15,430 because they're still going to be building under the 659 00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:16,640 initial Robeson PD 660 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:22,589 that was adopted in 1999. Maybe this is not the place or 661 00:30:22,589 --> 00:30:23,480 the time to ask this 662 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,029 question but again one of the concerns about when you're 663 00:30:26,029 --> 00:30:26,559 doing new 664 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:31,660 developments and it has to meet this minimum requirement 665 00:30:31,660 --> 00:30:33,160 was there something 666 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,480 about homeowners being notified when you go in and buy a 667 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,400 new home in their new 668 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,160 planned community that they're to be notified that hey you 669 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,920 live within 250, 670 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,319 500 feet of gas well is that something we address here? 671 00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:48,039 Well that's correct and 672 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:53,140 it's actually part of Robeson's management plan so they do 673 00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:53,720 notify 674 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,779 homeowners of that again through the zoning but if that 675 00:30:56,779 --> 00:30:57,920 zoning were to ever 676 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,710 be amended then we would have the opportunity to get a 677 00:31:00,710 --> 00:31:02,359 unified plan that 678 00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:05,240 the surface developer which I think is Robeson development 679 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,279 and in this case the 680 00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:10,079 operator would would come in and set new setback distance 681 00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:11,599 and all of the new 682 00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:15,960 ordinance would kind of then be triggered. Thank you. I 683 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,720 think maybe 684 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,539 Darren can maybe clarify this I think maybe the issue is 685 00:31:19,539 --> 00:31:20,440 this because this is 686 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,490 a master plan community even though it's a small section 687 00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:25,279 that's being brought 688 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:28,960 before us it is just a small piece of something that was 689 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,160 done many years ago 690 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,230 and the rules and the guidelines for that were set in place 691 00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:34,240 so to your point 692 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,240 even though we have new gas well regulations those affect 693 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:38,599 new 694 00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:42,759 developments this is a old development that is a master 695 00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:43,599 plan development that 696 00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:45,900 has already got the criteria and it's already been pre- 697 00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:46,960 approved and I think 698 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,450 maybe that's the distinction where is that why are we not 699 00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:51,440 doing it here and 700 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,069 and there may want to even clear that even better than what 701 00:31:55,069 --> 00:31:56,039 I just stated. 702 00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:00,160 That's a good point Chairman and one of the things that 703 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,920 will will possibly change 704 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,059 is if that operator came in and it modified that large- 705 00:32:05,059 --> 00:32:06,359 scale development so 706 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:09,779 again we're looking at one little piece that has pointed 707 00:32:09,779 --> 00:32:11,039 out so that's kind of 708 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,240 part of the confusion. Because of the time frame on it our 709 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:14,319 answers are still coming in. 710 00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:17,359 Well it's an existing project and so it kind of goes to 711 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:19,599 unfortunately some of the 712 00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:21,490 new members may have missed some of the things that have to 713 00:32:21,490 --> 00:32:22,000 do with called 714 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,509 vesting and I think kind of goes to Commissioner Hussbuss 715 00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:26,480 questions earlier 716 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,240 as you go through the process once you begin the process 717 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,240 these are the rules 718 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,160 that you work under and so this project was begun a long 719 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,440 time ago and the rules 720 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,609 were set for it and there as long as they work under those 721 00:32:37,609 --> 00:32:38,319 rules and don't 722 00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:41,029 make a large change or a zoning change that would trigger 723 00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:42,000 them to come under 724 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,410 the new rules they work under the rules when their project 725 00:32:45,410 --> 00:32:46,160 was originally 726 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,700 approved. On new projects once those begin whatever the 727 00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:52,400 rules the laws that 728 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,759 we have in place follow that at that time and same thing in 729 00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:57,359 the future and 730 00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,599 it's somewhat of a grandfather investing because existing 731 00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:02,440 properties you know if 732 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,660 we make a new ordinance we can't go back so well you have 733 00:33:05,660 --> 00:33:07,039 to do an energy update 734 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,859 on your home because new homes now have to be done this way 735 00:33:09,859 --> 00:33:10,759 and it's the same 736 00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,400 type of a principle on a development standpoint if that 737 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,799 makes sense as to why 738 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:18,069 it follows some places and others and it's taken the rest 739 00:33:18,069 --> 00:33:19,000 of us a while to 740 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,680 understand why does it happen here and not at other places 741 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,680 and that's the 742 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,359 reason on this deal. I would just like to make a point for 743 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:29,359 the record that that was just a 744 00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:32,809 general overview of our vesting process and may or may not 745 00:33:32,809 --> 00:33:33,799 apply to a particular 746 00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:36,799 piece of property and the chairman is not passing judgment 747 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:37,359 on whether or not 748 00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:41,000 this particular applicant has vested rights. Thank you for 749 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,920 the clarification. 750 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:50,579 All right I think we have now addressed all of the consent 751 00:33:50,579 --> 00:33:55,920 agenda items. I think 752 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,329 do we need to have any discussion about what we're doing on 753 00:33:58,329 --> 00:33:59,079 the individual 754 00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:05,119 consideration? No? Okay. I don't know how long 755 00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:07,200 presentations will be on these do we 756 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,639 need to do food now or do we want to go ahead and get a few 757 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:10,480 of these out of way 758 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,079 and then do food? If I could make a suggestion not a 759 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:15,320 recommendation but we 760 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,719 have items 5a and 5b they're very straightforward standard 761 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,480 replants they 762 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,239 don't warrant discussion in my mind but if there are any 763 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,440 questions that the team 764 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,079 or the the Commission feels that they want to bring up we 765 00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:30,119 can do that however I 766 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,480 would advise that we jump into our zoning change request 767 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,079 and go through 768 00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:37,650 those they're they're pretty lengthy and I'd like to knock 769 00:34:37,650 --> 00:34:41,039 those out. I was 770 00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:44,090 thinking maybe if we could be done by 6 15 we would have 15 771 00:34:44,090 --> 00:34:47,239 minutes of free time. 772 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,039 Okay if we can if not then we can okay we'll go ahead and 773 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:52,940 get whatever the 774 00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:55,239 pleasure of the Commission. We'll take your recommendation 775 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,000 we'll go ahead and 776 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:03,920 does anybody have questions on items public hearing a or b? 777 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,920 No? Seeing none 778 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,219 then we're going to go ahead and move on to item C and Man 779 00:35:10,219 --> 00:35:10,760 al who will make that 780 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:17,570 presentation. Item C is a request for a zoning change from 781 00:35:17,570 --> 00:35:20,119 PD 12 to RCCD I'm 782 00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:22,849 going to ask Julie Wyatt to make that presentation on 783 00:35:22,849 --> 00:35:23,920 behalf of Mike Bell. 784 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:31,599 Thank you Julie. Good evening Julie Wyatt associate planner 785 00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:32,119 with the city of 786 00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:37,039 Denton I'm presenting Z15-5 Toyota of Denton. The request 787 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:37,760 before you is to 788 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,909 consider rezoning the subject property out of PD 12 and 789 00:35:41,909 --> 00:35:43,360 into a regional center 790 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,869 commercial downtown zoning district the site's 791 00:35:46,869 --> 00:35:49,739 approximately 15 acres. Just to 792 00:35:49,739 --> 00:35:53,889 orient you it is located on I-35 here is State School Road 793 00:35:53,889 --> 00:35:55,079 so it's south of 794 00:35:55,079 --> 00:36:00,539 State School and Post Oak is down in this area. A little 795 00:36:00,539 --> 00:36:01,920 bit of background the 796 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,730 original PD 12 was created in 1980 and it originally 797 00:36:05,730 --> 00:36:07,719 encompassed 109 acres and 798 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:14,159 you can see it there in the green. In 1986 the concept plan 799 00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:14,940 was amended for 800 00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:18,989 74 acres and I know y'all went over PDs a couple of 801 00:36:18,989 --> 00:36:20,840 sessions ago but just to 802 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,070 just to refresh your memory there's kind of a two-step 803 00:36:24,070 --> 00:36:26,000 process to the zoning of 804 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,159 a PD would be the concept plan which kind of lays out the 805 00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:30,320 uses where those 806 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,809 would go and then the second part is the detail plan which 807 00:36:33,809 --> 00:36:34,860 looks at more of a 808 00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:37,289 site specific where the parking would go where the 809 00:36:37,289 --> 00:36:38,719 buildings would go the open 810 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,539 areas so the concept plan was for this PD was amended in 811 00:36:42,539 --> 00:36:44,519 1986 to change where 812 00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:48,369 some of the uses would be and what those uses would be. The 813 00:36:48,369 --> 00:36:49,960 concept plan was then 814 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:55,409 amended again in 87 for 43 of those acres and then in 2001 815 00:36:55,409 --> 00:36:57,239 and 2004 detail 816 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,909 plans were approved for both Toyota and Honda which are the 817 00:37:00,909 --> 00:37:01,920 sites in question 818 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:07,599 tonight and the zoning map has changed since that time so 819 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:09,199 so here is the 820 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:12,960 original PD 12 here's what's left of it to the north 821 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,159 adjacent to State School 822 00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:17,630 that was rezoned out of the PD in 1999 and then the 823 00:37:17,630 --> 00:37:19,079 property adjacent to the 824 00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:24,719 subject site was was zoned out of the PD in 2005. The site 825 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,000 is located in a 826 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,119 regional mixed-use future land use designation at per the 827 00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:31,599 Denton plan 2030 828 00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:35,849 this area is intended to have high density residential 829 00:37:35,849 --> 00:37:37,400 urban form commercial 830 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,409 development that's supposed to draw in people not just from 831 00:37:41,409 --> 00:37:42,679 its specific area 832 00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:47,329 but from the greater region so it's supposed to have a 833 00:37:47,329 --> 00:37:49,159 larger draw. The way 834 00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:52,760 the property has developed with the Honda and the D and the 835 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:53,800 Toyota dealerships 836 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,679 it really does meet this future land use designation 837 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:02,280 require goal and intent. Back 838 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,380 to the background in 2001 the detail plan for Toyota did 839 00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:08,119 also have some 840 00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:13,219 conditions those included conditions regarding lighting 841 00:38:13,219 --> 00:38:14,119 irrigation for 842 00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:17,630 landscaping the public address speakers and then some 843 00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:18,920 additional conditions 844 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,239 regarding the construction of the site where the temporary 845 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,039 sales office would 846 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:26,469 be and then and then the trees. Honda also had some 847 00:38:26,469 --> 00:38:28,679 conditions also included 848 00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:31,139 lighting the public address speakers and then also 849 00:38:31,139 --> 00:38:32,280 addressed some future 850 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,969 development in a detention pond on the site. So when staff 851 00:38:36,969 --> 00:38:38,519 analyzed this request 852 00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:41,510 we looked at some condition or some considerations. First 853 00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:42,119 the site is 854 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,880 developed consistent with the RCCD zoning designation which 855 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:46,440 they are 856 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,909 proposing. It is also developed in accordance with the 857 00:38:49,909 --> 00:38:50,920 future land use 858 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:56,400 designation so it meets those requirements. Second 859 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,360 consideration was 860 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,389 that the approval of this would remove the conditions that 861 00:39:00,389 --> 00:39:01,199 were set on the 862 00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:05,110 site with the approval of the detail plans. But when we 863 00:39:05,110 --> 00:39:06,360 look deeper at that we 864 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,650 saw that four of the conditions were related to the 865 00:39:08,650 --> 00:39:09,920 original construction and 866 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,389 really are no longer applicable. That lighting is now 867 00:39:13,389 --> 00:39:14,579 regulated with the dent 868 00:39:14,579 --> 00:39:17,739 and development code in sub chapter 13 and it really does 869 00:39:17,739 --> 00:39:18,679 meet the intent it 870 00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:21,650 shields the the adjacent property owners as well as the 871 00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:22,800 night sky those are the 872 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,719 requirements of the dent development code. The noise is now 873 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,079 addressed in the 874 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:31,590 code of ordinances and the detention pond that was 875 00:39:31,590 --> 00:39:33,760 addressed is heavily 876 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,639 encumbered by easements and if they were to develop that 877 00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:38,000 that plat what you would 878 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,510 have to be replatted and that would come before this 879 00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:43,880 Commission. So the request 880 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,590 does meet the criteria for rezoning in the DDC and that 881 00:39:48,590 --> 00:39:49,619 criteria for approval 882 00:39:49,619 --> 00:39:53,420 is is located in sub chapter 3 and first that the proposed 883 00:39:53,420 --> 00:39:54,679 rezoning meets the 884 00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:58,690 the future land use element in the dent and plan 2030 and 885 00:39:58,690 --> 00:39:59,880 that also the proposed 886 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,039 rezoning facilitates the adequate provision of 887 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:03,599 transportation, water, sewer 888 00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:08,730 schools, other public requirements. Public notification was 889 00:40:08,730 --> 00:40:10,360 sent out. We have not 890 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,429 received any responses in opposition or in favor. So based 891 00:40:14,429 --> 00:40:15,280 upon the 892 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,510 considerations presented and the criteria for approval 893 00:40:18,510 --> 00:40:19,199 staff does 894 00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:25,199 recommend approval of this rezoning. I'll stand for any 895 00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:25,239 questions. 896 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,940 Commissioner Begg. Thank you Chair. And this is just a I 897 00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:31,559 guess a general question so 898 00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:37,510 this is land the owner is TT of Denton Incorporated? Is 899 00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:38,239 that that's what it's 900 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,840 showing here? Yes sir. Okay and so Toyota and Honda are le 901 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,440 asing from them? I'm not 902 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,539 quite sure how how their business structure is set out. We 903 00:40:50,539 --> 00:40:51,440 have to make 904 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,500 sure that the owner of the property is is requesting the 905 00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:56,920 rezoning so if the 906 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,949 owner is requesting the zoning then the rezoning can move 907 00:40:59,949 --> 00:41:02,000 forward. Did he by any 908 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,739 chance give any indication I mean why would want to rezone 909 00:41:04,739 --> 00:41:06,000 it? Has he got some 910 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,159 ideas in mind? Well I spoke with the project manager on 911 00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:10,119 that because I thought 912 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:13,280 that would be a question that I would get and you know 913 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,559 these aren't a plan 914 00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:17,789 development and when those detailed plans were approved a 915 00:41:17,789 --> 00:41:18,599 site plan was 916 00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:22,800 tied to that as well as elevations and other specifics to 917 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,079 the site. The sites 918 00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:26,630 have now been developed and in some cases they've they've 919 00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:27,480 done some tweaks 920 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,230 and some redevelopment which is required because it's a PD 921 00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:31,920 to go back 922 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,840 through the zoning process if they want to make changes to 923 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,840 say elevations or 924 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,940 change some of the parking area and so in order to simplify 925 00:41:40,940 --> 00:41:42,079 and provide a 926 00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:45,679 little more flexibility for the applicant the RCCD does 927 00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:46,559 meet the future 928 00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:50,789 land use element and it does conform to that zoning so you 929 00:41:50,789 --> 00:41:52,280 know we worked with 930 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,349 them and felt like that was an appropriate way for them to 931 00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:55,679 move 932 00:41:55,679 --> 00:42:00,840 forward. Does that answer your question? I think so. He 933 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:06,079 just indicated though that this opened up the opportunity 934 00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:09,119 as a regional activity center is 935 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:13,119 considerably larger more diverse its land use it includes 936 00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:17,079 vertically integrated uses so we're talking about. He could 937 00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:22,880 it could redevelop in accordance with the with that zoning 938 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:23,800 designation yes sir. 939 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,500 Okay but he hadn't given us any idea. We have not been 940 00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:32,800 given an indication that that's what we have. Thank you. 941 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,880 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you Chair. I just wanted to add 942 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:36,079 a little 943 00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:40,199 clarification on this too whenever we was it earlier this 944 00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:41,360 year or last year we 945 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,079 had a case before us on adjusting the site plan and they 946 00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:46,599 wanted to change the 947 00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:49,539 shrubbery but that's a change to the site plan the way the 948 00:42:49,539 --> 00:42:50,559 PD was written they 949 00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:54,699 had to come to P&Z and I think I was among several members 950 00:42:54,699 --> 00:42:55,579 of the Commission 951 00:42:55,579 --> 00:42:58,440 who suggested it would be better to just rezone it out of a 952 00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,199 PD and into an 953 00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:03,900 appropriate zoning category. In my opinion a lot of times 954 00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:04,920 plan developments 955 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,969 were used as a quick and easy way to get the use that a 956 00:43:08,969 --> 00:43:11,559 landowner needed or maybe 957 00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:14,239 they had a parcel of land and they wanted half of it in one 958 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,039 use and half of 959 00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:18,420 it in another use they would put together a PD with a site 960 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:19,360 plan and get it 961 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,800 sold you know get it get it through planning and zoning 962 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,159 back 10 20 30 years 963 00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:27,409 ago and they would build the project but then they wrote 964 00:43:27,409 --> 00:43:28,280 the PD so 965 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,199 restrictively there is only one valid use it has things 966 00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:33,079 like shrubbery on the 967 00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:36,940 site plan it requires you know an application to move a 968 00:43:36,940 --> 00:43:38,280 tree things like 969 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:45,119 that so often PDs were not well managed and now 30 years 970 00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:45,960 later or 40 years later 971 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,840 you have something that's designed for 1980 and doesn't 972 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,039 meet any of our current 973 00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:53,739 standards and by law they can't do anything about it they 974 00:43:53,739 --> 00:43:54,559 have to that's 975 00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:56,960 the only thing they're allowed to do. So this kind of 976 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,440 changes keeps him from being 977 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,449 hamstrung on every little change. Yeah and I feel 978 00:44:01,449 --> 00:44:02,679 personally I feel like this 979 00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:05,940 moves it into a more appropriate and they could they're 980 00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:06,960 probably not going to 981 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,039 change the car dealership anytime soon but if they wanted 982 00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:10,000 to 10 years from now 983 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,679 they could do put some of their use on there but they could 984 00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:14,280 change their 985 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,570 shrubbery or move a building or you know things like that 986 00:44:17,570 --> 00:44:18,440 put up an entryway 987 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:25,170 which would require an active. Well to add to that I think 988 00:44:25,170 --> 00:44:26,320 it it makes the 989 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,969 developers project much easier to move it removes a step 990 00:44:30,969 --> 00:44:31,900 they still have to 991 00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:34,440 meet all of our ordinance from a building inspections and a 992 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,000 construction 993 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,510 standpoint so they basically skip coming before us and go 994 00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:39,960 strictly to building 995 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,940 inspections and and make whatever change they need to make 996 00:44:43,940 --> 00:44:45,079 as long as it is in 997 00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:49,489 accordance with ordinances so it's just as a easier we're 998 00:44:49,489 --> 00:44:50,159 not having to see 999 00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:54,949 every single change because it's a PD. Any other questions 1000 00:44:54,949 --> 00:44:55,679 on this particular 1001 00:44:55,679 --> 00:45:05,199 item? Okay I'll move on to item D. Judy White still gonna 1002 00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:07,960 stand there and make this one as well. 1003 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:14,559 All right this is Z1525 loves travel stop. This request is 1004 00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:15,280 to consider making 1005 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,170 a recommendation to City Council regarding a rezoning from 1006 00:45:18,170 --> 00:45:18,719 regional 1007 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,610 center commercial neighborhood to employment center and 1008 00:45:22,610 --> 00:45:23,599 commercial on 1009 00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:30,050 approximately 15-16 acres. The subject property is located 1010 00:45:30,050 --> 00:45:30,960 on the north side of 1011 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,639 the city it is here's I-35 and here's Bartold Road so it's 1012 00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:37,960 on the north side. 1013 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,570 Some background originally the site was a truck stop car 1014 00:45:41,570 --> 00:45:42,800 wash convenience store 1015 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,690 warehouse and truck storage as you might know it burned in 1016 00:45:46,690 --> 00:45:48,480 2008 the convenience 1017 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,869 store did so it's so it's been in that condition you know 1018 00:45:52,869 --> 00:45:54,400 since then ready for 1019 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,559 redevelopment so in light of that staff met with the 1020 00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:00,880 applicant in 2013 to 1021 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,090 discuss the redevelopment of the site into a truck stop 1022 00:46:04,090 --> 00:46:05,360 which the uses would 1023 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,389 include a convenience store, gasoline sales, restaurants 1024 00:46:08,389 --> 00:46:11,440 and also truck repair. 1025 00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:17,389 Because truck repair is not permitted in the current zoning 1026 00:46:17,389 --> 00:46:18,920 district staff at 1027 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,239 that time in 2013 recommended that they pursue an RCCD 1028 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,639 zoning district because 1029 00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:30,590 it was consistent with the Denton plan 1999 that area was 1030 00:46:30,590 --> 00:46:32,360 was considered to be 1031 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,789 a regional mixed-use area for that future land use map and 1032 00:46:36,789 --> 00:46:38,039 so the RCCD fit 1033 00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:42,449 within that but also permitted the vehicle repair. Fast 1034 00:46:42,449 --> 00:46:45,159 forward in 2014 we 1035 00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:49,099 approved the Denton plan 2030 and we changed the future 1036 00:46:49,099 --> 00:46:50,440 land use designation 1037 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,510 of this property to business innovation and just a little 1038 00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:55,840 bit of history on that 1039 00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:02,170 this area was designated as a regional center in 1998 I'm 1040 00:47:02,170 --> 00:47:05,360 sorry 1988 and it was 1041 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,420 one of two so it was there was Golden Triangle Mall and 1042 00:47:07,420 --> 00:47:08,199 then there was this 1043 00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:12,650 area so they were anticipating that this would grow in a 1044 00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:14,960 regional way after that 1045 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,469 a third regional center was added at I-35 and John Payne in 1046 00:47:18,469 --> 00:47:19,920 1999 and Razor 1047 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,170 Ranch was then added in 2007 and then when you include 1048 00:47:23,170 --> 00:47:24,239 downtown of that that's 1049 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:29,760 four regional centers and in doing the analysis for the 1050 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,059 comprehensive plan it 1051 00:47:32,059 --> 00:47:35,300 was determined that Denton probably couldn't support four 1052 00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:36,679 regional commercial 1053 00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:40,280 centers so that's why they changed it to the business 1054 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,679 innovation and the changes 1055 00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:44,320 or the differences are that the regional mixed-use which is 1056 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,039 what it was before 1057 00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:48,940 was intended to promote high-density residential walkable 1058 00:47:48,940 --> 00:47:50,440 urban area and a lot 1059 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,039 of commercial shopping areas. Business innovation changes 1060 00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:55,280 that to be promote 1061 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,880 more employment centers but also keep that that commercial 1062 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,039 element in order to 1063 00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:03,199 support those employment areas so it sort of takes out the 1064 00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:04,239 the residential 1065 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:09,079 component. So then when we compare RCCN which is what it's 1066 00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:10,539 owned as today to the 1067 00:48:10,539 --> 00:48:16,309 proposed ECC both of them really permit the same commercial 1068 00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:18,159 uses RCCN does 1069 00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:22,710 permit the high-density multifamily whereas ECC permits 1070 00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:23,679 light industrial but 1071 00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:27,019 removes that multifamily so it's more consistent and in 1072 00:48:27,019 --> 00:48:28,239 line with the future 1073 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:33,909 land use. So the considerations we looked at first this 1074 00:48:33,909 --> 00:48:34,960 site has historically 1075 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,760 been a truck stop this area is ideal for this type of use 1076 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,880 it's the northern 1077 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,179 gateway to the city it's got it's got good access for the 1078 00:48:44,179 --> 00:48:45,719 end user so it's it's 1079 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:51,809 an appropriate use for the area until the DDC is updated to 1080 00:48:51,809 --> 00:48:53,440 be more in line 1081 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,590 with the new comprehensive plan. The ECC zoning is is 1082 00:48:57,590 --> 00:48:59,119 consistent with that 1083 00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:02,380 business innovation future land use element. The 1084 00:49:02,380 --> 00:49:04,119 surrounding uses are 1085 00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:08,010 primarily agricultural or commercial so it's not 1086 00:49:08,010 --> 00:49:09,639 anticipated since there's no 1087 00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:12,320 residential it's not anticipated that this use would would 1088 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:13,119 have an impact on 1089 00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:16,789 the adjacent properties. Once again the criteria for appro 1090 00:49:16,789 --> 00:49:18,000 vals in subchapter 3 1091 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,159 first the rezoning must be consistent with the future land 1092 00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:22,320 use designation of 1093 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,480 the property and that it must facilitate the adequate 1094 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:25,079 provision of 1095 00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:27,769 transportation water sewer schools and other public 1096 00:49:27,769 --> 00:49:30,079 requirements. It does meet 1097 00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,900 both of those requirements for for criteria for approval. 1098 00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:34,380 Public 1099 00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:39,619 notification it was sent out we have not received I take 1100 00:49:39,619 --> 00:49:43,440 that back I looked on 1101 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:50,039 Mike's desk today and there were we received one letter 1102 00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:51,539 neither in opposition 1103 00:49:51,539 --> 00:49:54,360 or in favor there is an adjacent property owner who maybe 1104 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,760 has concerns but 1105 00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:00,239 they have not said favorably or unfavorably to the project. 1106 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,119 So based 1107 00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:04,130 upon the considerations and the criteria for approval staff 1108 00:50:04,130 --> 00:50:04,920 does recommend 1109 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,360 approval of this rezoning. 1110 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,469 Commissioner Dudowitz. Can you put up this slide with 1111 00:50:14,469 --> 00:50:15,960 regard to the current 1112 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,599 zoning for that whole area up there? Okay all right and 1113 00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:21,800 that's current? Yes sir. Okay 1114 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:27,440 across the road is TA which is a compatible I mean the same 1115 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,199 convenience 1116 00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:32,050 store tire shop repair shop for trucks convenience store 1117 00:50:32,050 --> 00:50:33,199 gas station. Yes sir. 1118 00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:38,960 And that is now a RCCD. Okay so this would be consistent 1119 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,360 with that? Well RCCD 1120 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,389 was actually more in line with the previous future land use 1121 00:50:44,389 --> 00:50:45,360 designation and 1122 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,389 that's why we did recommend that this applicant pursue that 1123 00:50:49,389 --> 00:50:51,239 RCCD back in 2013 1124 00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:56,360 however with the new comprehensive plan RCCD really isn't 1125 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:57,039 kind of what we're 1126 00:50:57,039 --> 00:50:59,940 getting to is again we're gonna have to address this for 1127 00:50:59,940 --> 00:51:00,679 the other side of the 1128 00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:04,880 road. Yes sir. 1129 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,079 Commissioner Bruegel. Thank you chair. Miss Wyatt there's a 1130 00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:11,920 there's a residential 1131 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:17,980 home near this zoning request is that correct? I am not 1132 00:51:17,980 --> 00:51:19,960 aware. Maybe I'm confusing. 1133 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:29,280 To the left. Yep. I'm looking at Google map. Okay thank you 1134 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,199 . So I was curious to know what kind of 1135 00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:35,920 buffering requirements might be between this new this new 1136 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,239 zoning request and 1137 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:42,840 that residents? Vehicle repair is considered a commercial 1138 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,719 use and so let 1139 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,119 me get my code I want to verify. Okay. 1140 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,199 I think it's a type C but let me just verify. 1141 00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:09,739 So commercial to single-family is a type C which is a 15 1142 00:52:09,739 --> 00:52:11,559 foot planted strip 15 1143 00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:17,510 foot landscape buffer. Okay. How 15 foot high? No 15 feet 1144 00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:20,079 wide. It would require a 1145 00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:23,519 combination of six evergreen and deciduous trees and 25 shr 1146 00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:24,440 ubs per 100 1147 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,800 linear feet. Okay. Thank you. 1148 00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:33,570 Commissioner Tater. Thank you chair. Just wanted to clarify 1149 00:52:33,570 --> 00:52:34,400 that there's this 1150 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:39,250 little finger off of the bottom of that parcel shape and 1151 00:52:39,250 --> 00:52:41,119 looking at the map it 1152 00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:45,010 doesn't appear that are they purchasing an easement or 1153 00:52:45,010 --> 00:52:46,519 purchasing a strip of land? 1154 00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:52,920 That's a part of the property. It does sort of wrap around. 1155 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,800 Just so I'm clear 1156 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,230 that's that wrap around part is right at the edge of Foster 1157 00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:59,599 's Western Ware? I 1158 00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:05,639 believe so. Okay. All right. Well I think that's the little 1159 00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:07,119 white box down there. 1160 00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:15,239 It is. That's Foster's. Commissioner Rosale. So I have some 1161 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,599 concerns about traffic in the area 1162 00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:23,550 specifically during workday mornings highway 1173 coming in 1163 00:53:23,550 --> 00:53:28,960 from Crum. Any of 1164 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:34,280 the maps will work. There's a railroad track anyways on 11 1165 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,280 71 heading backwards 1166 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:41,219 and I know for one of my employees says it's backed up on 1167 00:53:41,219 --> 00:53:43,840 1171 for individuals 1168 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:49,679 trying just to get on I-35 south above the loop. Is there a 1169 00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:50,559 change of road 1170 00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:54,559 suggested? What is that white line? Barthold Road is 1171 00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:55,440 actually going to be 1172 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,190 realigned at some point and this is conceptual but it's 1173 00:53:59,190 --> 00:54:00,159 going to line up 1174 00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:04,719 with Elm at some point and I believe as a part of this 1175 00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,119 development they'll be 1176 00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:09,389 dedicating the right away for that. So it's actually going 1177 00:54:09,389 --> 00:54:10,559 to hopefully improve 1178 00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:17,949 the connectivity in the area in order to and Earl's gonna 1179 00:54:17,949 --> 00:54:19,000 come up. 1180 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,619 Earl Escobar engineering. As part of the development when 1181 00:54:24,619 --> 00:54:25,280 they come in for 1182 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,880 platting the requirement is going to be for them to realign 1183 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,199 Barthold Road to 1184 00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:35,610 line up with the intersection of I-35 and 77 or Elm Street 1185 00:54:35,610 --> 00:54:36,480 on the other side 1186 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,929 there. That's a signalized intersection there so and right 1187 00:54:40,929 --> 00:54:41,079 now 1188 00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:44,730 Barthold just kind of tees into the service road. And what 1189 00:54:44,730 --> 00:54:45,679 is it doing back 1190 00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:50,769 to the highway 1173 to the south there? You know what is it 1191 00:54:50,769 --> 00:54:51,360 connecting back 1192 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,050 there? Eventually it's going to this road is going to 1193 00:54:55,050 --> 00:54:58,000 become 1173 and Barthold 1194 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:03,099 will eventually be part of converge into 1170 the new 1195 00:55:03,099 --> 00:55:04,760 alignment of 1173. So 1196 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,780 everyone coming in from Crum on highway 1173 would be rer 1197 00:55:07,780 --> 00:55:08,480 outed up to that 1198 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,360 signaled light? That's correct. And not be having to wait? 1199 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,079 Not into that T intersection. So as part of the 1200 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:17,400 loves development they're going to realign Barthold Road up 1201 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:18,159 to this corner 1202 00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:20,880 here of their property. They're going to abandon the 1203 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,599 existing Barthold Road and 1204 00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:25,619 then then they're going to connect to the existing portion 1205 00:55:25,619 --> 00:55:27,119 here. So 1206 00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:31,519 essentially all the traffic will now be diverted into the 1207 00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:32,239 signalized 1208 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,130 intersection and alleviate that traffic. So that partly 1209 00:55:36,130 --> 00:55:37,360 addresses the issue 1210 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,239 because one of my issues is just the backup from warning 1211 00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:41,679 traffic on 1173 1212 00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:45,150 from individuals from Crum heading either into Denton or 1213 00:55:45,150 --> 00:55:45,800 through Denton 1214 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,960 down to Dallas. The other concern I have is I can't really 1215 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,159 tell on this map but I 1216 00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:55,949 estimated at that T&A about 90 semi trucks which back up 1217 00:55:55,949 --> 00:55:57,480 southbound on Elm. 1218 00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:04,039 So when they all exit TA on Elm it backs up there and it's 1219 00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:05,000 it's nearly 1220 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:09,030 impossible on average one to two trucks can get through 1221 00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:10,440 that light to get on to 1222 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,190 I-35 south. Is there any thought of or is the I-35 1223 00:56:14,190 --> 00:56:16,119 expansion going to solve that 1224 00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:21,960 underpass because that underpass is quite small? 1225 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,679 Unfortunately the widening 1226 00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:28,849 project in this area is not going to happen until 2000 I 1227 00:56:28,849 --> 00:56:31,460 say 2030. Right now 1228 00:56:31,460 --> 00:56:36,199 the current widening project stops at 380. So part of me 1229 00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:37,320 thinks that some of 1230 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,079 those 90 some odd trucks if they're heading south would 1231 00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:41,119 just leverage the 1232 00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:43,570 west side truck stop if it was available to them which 1233 00:56:43,570 --> 00:56:44,800 could alleviate some of the 1234 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,400 traffic. It could alleviate now that they have a choice 1235 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,119 between. Exactly so I think there is a 1236 00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:51,559 benefit to that but I am still concerned about individuals 1237 00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:52,599 the thoroughfare from 1238 00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:56,519 Crum to Denton is around that intersection and adding the 1239 00:56:56,519 --> 00:56:57,000 potential 1240 00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,280 increased traffic in restaurants I think we're gonna funnel 1241 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,159 even more traffic to 1242 00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:05,389 that real small underpass. Well there's also an opportunity 1243 00:57:05,389 --> 00:57:06,599 we haven't dived into 1244 00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:10,699 the traffic studies as well as part of their plotting 1245 00:57:10,699 --> 00:57:12,440 process but I think one 1246 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,650 of the comments was to analyze the need for a dedicated 1247 00:57:15,650 --> 00:57:16,880 right turn lane for 1248 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,050 southbound Furnage Road on to I guess it's still be Barthol 1249 00:57:21,050 --> 00:57:22,679 road to alleviate 1250 00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:28,900 I mean if the trucks wanted to enter or be served by the 1251 00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:30,400 site that right turn 1252 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,269 light would free up that traffic and alleviate that through 1253 00:57:33,269 --> 00:57:34,239 lane or possibly 1254 00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:36,440 even the turn lane. And I don't want to go on a rabbit 1255 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,280 trails traffic but is 1256 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,139 there any plans for loop 288 to help access Crum in the 1257 00:57:41,139 --> 00:57:41,920 future I know it's 1258 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:47,099 dead in there but I don't know the future of loop 288. As 1259 00:57:47,099 --> 00:57:51,280 is. Okay thank you. 1260 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:57,500 Commissioner Hatchbeth. Can you help we're right at the 1261 00:57:57,500 --> 00:57:59,960 northern edge of the 1262 00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:04,989 city or am I off? Where are we do you know generally where 1263 00:58:04,989 --> 00:58:05,800 we are where are 1264 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:16,260 the boundary for city of? It's right here here's ETJ. Okay. 1265 00:58:16,260 --> 00:58:17,519 There is some that goes 1266 00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:30,559 up 35 but. Okay and again not to digress on traffic but it 1267 00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:32,280 almost seems worse in 1268 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,730 my opinion to have through traffic under the underpass 1269 00:58:36,730 --> 00:58:39,360 because it gives more 1270 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:44,030 options. Right now you have to turn left and from that 1271 00:58:44,030 --> 00:58:46,920 intersection 1173 you 1272 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,659 don't have to wait for a light so you can turn right in 1273 00:58:50,659 --> 00:58:51,719 rapid succession 1274 00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:54,579 versus having to wait at a light for what it's worth down 1275 00:58:54,579 --> 00:58:55,679 the road when that 1276 00:58:55,679 --> 00:58:58,440 conversation comes. I just think options do I want to go 1277 00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,280 straight do I want to 1278 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,239 turn and I think what is there one lane there currently I 1279 00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:04,039 mean that that would 1280 00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:12,000 be cumbersome. Thank you. Any other questions on this item? 1281 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,280 Okay we'll move 1282 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:21,989 on to this is going to be item E. Thank you I'm going to 1283 00:59:21,989 --> 00:59:23,320 invite Ross Culbertson 1284 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,800 to make this presentation. Thank you Ross Culbertson senior 1285 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,400 planner. This is 1286 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:36,230 Pecan Park Z1524. This is a consideration before you for a 1287 00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:38,280 rezoning to from 1288 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,070 neighborhood residential mixed use in our immune to 1289 00:59:41,070 --> 00:59:42,599 neighborhood residential 1290 00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:48,550 four on approximately 20 acres. To familiarize yourself 1291 00:59:48,550 --> 00:59:49,639 with the site the 1292 00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:53,519 zoning boundary under consideration is on the south side of 1293 00:59:53,519 --> 00:59:54,519 East McKinney 1294 00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:59,619 Street approximately 2,300 feet east of 4 Road which is 1295 00:59:59,619 --> 01:00:01,159 here at this corner here 1296 01:00:01,159 --> 01:00:08,039 in the north-south direction. Zoning request encompasses 20 1297 01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:09,079 acres of an 1298 01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:13,110 approximate 80 acre tract which is intended by the 1299 01:00:13,110 --> 01:00:15,000 applicant for a complete 1300 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,030 single-family developed subdivision so you can see the 1301 01:00:18,030 --> 01:00:19,239 division of where the 1302 01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:23,269 boundary is today and what interests the property owner has 1303 01:00:23,269 --> 01:00:24,840 . This map also is a 1304 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,829 good map to take a look at the natural and site context as 1305 01:00:28,829 --> 01:00:30,000 you can see this is 1306 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:37,079 in a rural area off east area of Denton where left there's 1307 01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:39,059 very rural context 1308 01:00:39,059 --> 01:00:43,849 with homesteads there's a existing mobile home park up this 1309 01:00:43,849 --> 01:00:45,199 way ranchettes 1310 01:00:45,199 --> 01:00:49,559 over to the east. I want to point out that this area has 1311 01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:50,440 some substantial 1312 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:55,940 trees and natural tree stands in the middle and the 1313 01:00:55,940 --> 01:00:58,239 concrete runs to the 1314 01:00:58,239 --> 01:01:04,480 south with some floodplain here over on the south side. 1315 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,519 What we want to do to 1316 01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:09,639 that tonight is look at the zoning which we want to the 1317 01:01:09,639 --> 01:01:10,239 applicant wants to 1318 01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:14,659 rezone the NRMU portion as you can see in red over on this 1319 01:01:14,659 --> 01:01:16,880 map includes a lot 1320 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:22,480 of leftover strip on the north side of McKinney and the 1321 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:23,360 subject property in a 1322 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,639 little bit on the south side of McKinney with the intended 1323 01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:29,480 in our four zoning 1324 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,460 that will effectively create one complete district one 1325 01:01:32,460 --> 01:01:33,400 complete zoning 1326 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:40,110 district to NR4 which is more compatible for development. 1327 01:01:40,110 --> 01:01:41,920 Again I kind of want to 1328 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,989 point out what the NRMU designation is this was completed 1329 01:01:45,989 --> 01:01:47,039 and zoned this way 1330 01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:52,519 with the 2002 zoning update which has not developed to this 1331 01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:53,559 intensity since 1332 01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:58,440 that time and as you can see the intent was to create more 1333 01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:59,719 of a encourage high 1334 01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:05,329 density residential with town homes and apartments create 1335 01:02:05,329 --> 01:02:07,159 nodes of neighborhood 1336 01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:12,599 retail office very kind of intense uses that would kind of 1337 01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:14,000 support neighborhoods 1338 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,119 around there and this zoning district prohibits single- 1339 01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:19,480 family units so 1340 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:24,019 that is a concern if someone was to redevelop single-family 1341 01:02:24,019 --> 01:02:25,960 at this time. In 1342 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,389 our analysis we will look at the future land use plan and 1343 01:02:28,389 --> 01:02:29,320 kind of see how that 1344 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:33,300 guides us. The future land use map indicates rural areas so 1345 01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:34,119 I want to point 1346 01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:38,650 that kind of the in-between boundary here between McKinney, 1347 01:02:38,650 --> 01:02:40,039 McKinney Street and the 1348 01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:46,099 Pekong Creek area is rural in nature. The current NRMU does 1349 01:02:46,099 --> 01:02:47,400 not fit within the 1350 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,760 character of that existing low density residential and and 1351 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:51,960 so does we have to 1352 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,199 point out that the NR4 does not fit with respect to the low 1353 01:02:56,199 --> 01:02:57,679 density rural context. 1354 01:02:57,679 --> 01:03:02,619 We are going to make a case otherwise though. However NR4 1355 01:03:02,619 --> 01:03:04,079 is more compatible 1356 01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:09,840 with the future land use uses in the area and more suited 1357 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:10,119 and more suited 1358 01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:13,900 catalyst to spur future development. Essentially what we're 1359 01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:14,679 looking at is 1360 01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:19,539 we're not making any comprehensive plan map changes but 1361 01:03:19,539 --> 01:03:21,840 essentially by rezoning 1362 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:30,789 this to NR4 we are kind of combining the the forces of 1363 01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:31,599 residential 1364 01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:34,570 development in this area which makes sense and staff is 1365 01:03:34,570 --> 01:03:36,239 leaning is supporting 1366 01:03:36,239 --> 01:03:40,760 that direction. This is the concept plan associated with 1367 01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,760 the request we as a 1368 01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,800 zoning we don't look at concept plans as guiding us but 1369 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:47,960 this is good information 1370 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:52,369 to show the intent of the development as a master plan 1371 01:03:52,369 --> 01:03:54,440 community that is under a 1372 01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,340 conservation and it shows effort towards a conservation 1373 01:03:57,340 --> 01:03:58,639 development scheme a 1374 01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:03,840 design idea which from the didn't plan encourages the cl 1375 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,199 ustering of lots 1376 01:04:05,199 --> 01:04:10,710 reducing the full amount of developable area to maximize 1377 01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:12,639 open space and since 1378 01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:17,039 this property has beautiful pastoral areas that the 1379 01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:19,519 applicant does find the 1380 01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:22,599 need to maintain those areas and is designing a plan 1381 01:04:22,599 --> 01:04:25,039 accordingly. So we 1382 01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:31,840 create we consider that as a great great asset to the area. 1383 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:32,920 So under the 1384 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:37,440 considerations for you the NR4 zoning is more of an 1385 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,119 appropriate district to 1386 01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:42,449 encourage low to moderate single-family units and to unify 1387 01:04:42,449 --> 01:04:43,639 the entire property 1388 01:04:43,639 --> 01:04:47,909 of the interest of the property developer. The land use 1389 01:04:47,909 --> 01:04:49,000 pattern in this 1390 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:53,320 area has remained rural and has not necessitated the use 1391 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:54,760 uses permitted by 1392 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:59,699 NRMU zoning so logically we see that going through and then 1393 01:04:59,699 --> 01:05:00,440 the conservation 1394 01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,829 development design is a good response as a transitioning 1395 01:05:04,829 --> 01:05:05,800 element for 1396 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:10,070 single-family development to be introduced in this area. We 1397 01:05:10,070 --> 01:05:11,320 look at the 1398 01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:17,269 didn't development plan sub chapter 3533 was list as in 1399 01:05:17,269 --> 01:05:20,360 your backup report items 1400 01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:25,849 A through E for criteria that do not conform to the future 1401 01:05:25,849 --> 01:05:26,760 land use plan and 1402 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:31,519 and staff had assessed those items and really finds that 1403 01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:32,719 each one of those 1404 01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:38,480 criteria located by analyzing the land use pattern the 1405 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:39,960 density of the 1406 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,840 development to support the extension of city services to 1407 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:43,719 this area if it is 1408 01:05:43,719 --> 01:05:47,760 rezoned and then if this rezoning does not isolate a 1409 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,019 certain district and by 1410 01:05:50,019 --> 01:05:52,699 all means we're combining districts at this point. The 1411 01:05:52,699 --> 01:05:54,440 other sub chapter for 1412 01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,489 criteria will be the general guidelines for zoning 1413 01:05:57,489 --> 01:05:59,719 amendments which again talk 1414 01:05:59,719 --> 01:06:02,559 to the conformance of the land use element and facilitate 1415 01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:03,440 the provision of 1416 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:09,000 city of services. Public notifications were made we 1417 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,320 received one in favor which 1418 01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,619 is the major property owner on the north side and the 1419 01:06:15,619 --> 01:06:17,760 applicant did a 1420 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:21,679 mail out themselves to see if they could solicit any extra 1421 01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:23,760 information and 1422 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,860 none's been provided to me on any outcomes of that. So with 1423 01:06:28,860 --> 01:06:30,320 that we are recommending 1424 01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:35,150 approval as we see this as a positive for this area. 1425 01:06:35,150 --> 01:06:38,400 Questions for staff? Commissioner Taylor. 1426 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:43,719 Thank You Chair. I actually have two questions. This so 1427 01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:44,360 this rezoning is 1428 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,980 obviously anticipating development and we've in the past 1429 01:06:48,980 --> 01:06:50,719 had discussion about 1430 01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:56,090 post oak a mate the next major north-south arterial to the 1431 01:06:56,090 --> 01:06:57,519 east. Will 1432 01:06:57,519 --> 01:07:03,119 this as we're planning this are we leaving space for a 1433 01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:04,280 major north-south 1434 01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,730 arterial? I know at one point there was mention of the 1435 01:07:06,730 --> 01:07:07,960 alignment of Trinity and 1436 01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,559 this appears to basically take Trinity and tee it off and 1437 01:07:11,559 --> 01:07:12,719 break it off into a 1438 01:07:12,719 --> 01:07:21,559 subdivision. Consider that this alignment doesn't hit this 1439 01:07:21,559 --> 01:07:22,159 property 1440 01:07:22,159 --> 01:07:25,840 specifically it's closer to this area so it kind of swings 1441 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,119 I think it will go to 1442 01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:31,019 or road in some way shape or form so it is kind of off this 1443 01:07:31,019 --> 01:07:32,519 property but we are 1444 01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:36,590 anticipating that this development needs to coordinate 1445 01:07:36,590 --> 01:07:37,880 their points of access 1446 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:44,650 with that their affair for future development. I'll let 1447 01:07:44,650 --> 01:07:45,920 Earl speak to that. Yes as part of the 1448 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:51,199 mobility plan amendment that PS Aurora has been I guess he 1449 01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:52,119 made a couple of 1450 01:07:52,119 --> 01:07:56,119 presentations to us already. As part of that amendment we 1451 01:07:56,119 --> 01:07:57,199 are realigning post 1452 01:07:57,199 --> 01:08:01,619 oak road actually to the west and it will intersect with 3 1453 01:08:01,619 --> 01:08:03,199 80 away from the 1454 01:08:03,199 --> 01:08:07,929 site but whenever a development in this area comes in we 1455 01:08:07,929 --> 01:08:10,519 will ensure that the 1456 01:08:10,519 --> 01:08:14,500 right of way is accounted for. A majority of the property 1457 01:08:14,500 --> 01:08:15,719 where post oak will come 1458 01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:19,750 through is a city property also as well. Okay so that that 1459 01:08:19,750 --> 01:08:20,840 's good because the I 1460 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,579 think I know we've talked about a lot of options and the 1461 01:08:23,579 --> 01:08:24,640 current map is from 1462 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:32,659 1999 then I just had another question regarding future land 1463 01:08:32,659 --> 01:08:32,920 use 1464 01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:38,520 so right now blue is it's listed as government but that's 1465 01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:39,079 also an 1466 01:08:39,079 --> 01:08:42,199 industrial area it's water treatment plant and a landfill 1467 01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:43,600 is that correct? 1468 01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:48,390 I believe that's where that is. Government institutional I 1469 01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:50,640 'm not sure what the land 1470 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:55,060 uses were there before that they designated that. I believe 1471 01:08:55,060 --> 01:08:55,359 I saw a 1472 01:08:55,359 --> 01:09:03,520 treatment plant road which would be indicative. That's 1473 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,399 where the landfill is and then yeah. 1474 01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:14,250 As an evaluation of future land use has that been evaluated 1475 01:09:14,250 --> 01:09:15,239 to to make sure that 1476 01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:17,939 these uses are compatible if that those are any necessary 1477 01:09:17,939 --> 01:09:18,920 buffer will this 1478 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,789 prevent the full development of the landfill and the 1479 01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:24,560 treatment plant or are 1480 01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:30,510 they compatible? One of the things I think we need to asc 1481 01:09:30,510 --> 01:09:32,359 ertain tonight is to 1482 01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:35,520 determine it shows blue on future land use plan correct? 1483 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:36,439 Correct. And we know that 1484 01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,840 there's a landfill out there I know that the landfill has a 1485 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,119 CIP program associated 1486 01:09:40,119 --> 01:09:43,149 with it which there could be potential when we're talking 1487 01:09:43,149 --> 01:09:44,439 about you know most 1488 01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,470 issues are odor however related to setbacks and buffering 1489 01:09:47,470 --> 01:09:48,079 those would have 1490 01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:52,079 to be put into play adjacent to any residential development 1491 01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:53,560 . And like I said 1492 01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,539 I just want to make sure that at the beginning of the 1493 01:09:55,539 --> 01:09:56,680 planning process here 1494 01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:07,229 at the future land level. Yes. Any additional questions? 1495 01:10:07,229 --> 01:10:07,880 Commissioner 1496 01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:13,079 Bruegel. Thank you chair. Ross really when I when I saw 1497 01:10:13,079 --> 01:10:14,239 this and I saw the 1498 01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:17,239 conservation development design I got really excited 1499 01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:18,199 because that was 1500 01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:20,880 something that we approved like eight months ago when we 1501 01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:21,880 approved the the 1502 01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,560 comprehensive plan of the future this is the first time 1503 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,239 that I've seen that. So my 1504 01:10:27,239 --> 01:10:31,130 question is and maybe this needs to be an item for future 1505 01:10:31,130 --> 01:10:32,880 consideration or an 1506 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,560 item for a future agenda item but I'm wondering when are we 1507 01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:36,479 gonna start seeing 1508 01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,359 more of when are we gonna be updating that part of our 1509 01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:40,600 development code so 1510 01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,199 that we are seeing more of this conservation design I think 1511 01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:43,520 it's a 1512 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,159 fantastic I think it's fantastic when are we gonna be 1513 01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:47,760 seeing more of that? This was 1514 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,359 initiated by them the you know we can work with applicants 1515 01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:52,479 whenever they come 1516 01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,989 in into rural areas again it's kind of subject to the 1517 01:10:55,989 --> 01:10:57,560 layering of densities 1518 01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,640 from edges to edges and and if we find that it's 1519 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,520 appropriate we suggest it in 1520 01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,220 our pre-application notes and due diligence in the 1521 01:11:06,220 --> 01:11:08,239 beginning. So was this 1522 01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:11,600 something that staff had encouraged the applicant to try 1523 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:12,520 and do or did the 1524 01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,420 applicant come to the city and say I want to I want to do 1525 01:11:16,420 --> 01:11:17,359 both issues there 1526 01:11:17,359 --> 01:11:21,159 were things stated in our development because we had 1527 01:11:21,159 --> 01:11:22,880 previous there was a 1528 01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:27,670 previous preliminary plats for this project three to five 1529 01:11:27,670 --> 01:11:29,199 years ago that 1530 01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:33,239 allotted the whole development out and we had in our 1531 01:11:33,239 --> 01:11:35,079 research found that 1532 01:11:35,079 --> 01:11:38,140 that was kind of an inappropriate way to handle this piece 1533 01:11:38,140 --> 01:11:39,920 of property with that 1534 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,079 we brought that information to the developer because they 1535 01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:44,119 were looking for 1536 01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:48,430 their background due diligence also and understood the 1537 01:11:48,430 --> 01:11:49,479 context of you know the 1538 01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:53,520 previous plans on this property and so they understood you 1539 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:54,840 know we could work 1540 01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,279 with them on densities and I think that's something with 1541 01:11:57,279 --> 01:11:57,960 conservation 1542 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:02,369 development we allow in our three in our four something 1543 01:12:02,369 --> 01:12:04,079 that gives you what you 1544 01:12:04,079 --> 01:12:08,100 need for lot counts but can vary that based on the amount 1545 01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:09,159 of open space you're 1546 01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:13,710 preserving okay and when so they were not required to have 1547 01:12:13,710 --> 01:12:14,800 this conservation 1548 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,819 development even though it's in our comprehensive plan it's 1549 01:12:16,819 --> 01:12:17,159 not in our 1550 01:12:17,159 --> 01:12:20,670 development code yet so it's a respect it's a respect and a 1551 01:12:20,670 --> 01:12:21,399 response to that 1552 01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:25,430 and when when when will that be part of the development 1553 01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:26,239 code that's something 1554 01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:28,649 we'd have to add to code code amendment okay you'll be 1555 01:12:28,649 --> 01:12:29,720 hearing from me at the 1556 01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:34,819 end of tonight's session okay maybe because of what's there 1557 01:12:34,819 --> 01:12:35,159 already 1558 01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:38,029 Commissioner Dudowitz I'm sorry I'm just looking at the map 1559 01:12:38,029 --> 01:12:39,159 there's a there's a lake 1560 01:12:39,159 --> 01:12:43,029 or a pond there and it may be had been too expensive to 1561 01:12:43,029 --> 01:12:44,640 develop there's these 1562 01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:49,729 minutes there's a floodplain area so combination of things 1563 01:12:49,729 --> 01:12:49,960 could have 1564 01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:53,029 but I agree I think this is you know terrific in that 1565 01:12:53,029 --> 01:12:54,600 regard too yeah we had 1566 01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,100 I mean we had approved this as a city and this is the first 1567 01:12:57,100 --> 01:12:57,760 time in eight 1568 01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,750 months that we're seeing something like this so I just I'd 1569 01:13:00,750 --> 01:13:01,960 like to see more of 1570 01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,119 this come our way in the interim even though we don't have 1571 01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:06,039 any and I apologize 1572 01:13:06,039 --> 01:13:10,319 just jumped right in we don't have the development the Dent 1573 01:13:10,319 --> 01:13:11,079 on Development Code 1574 01:13:11,079 --> 01:13:13,270 and the comprehensive plan again we know that they're not 1575 01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:14,159 talking to each other 1576 01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:17,319 clearly understand that but we also know what elements of 1577 01:13:17,319 --> 01:13:18,319 the comp plan are 1578 01:13:18,319 --> 01:13:23,279 critical when we do meet we do impress upon our applicants 1579 01:13:23,279 --> 01:13:25,159 the need for 1580 01:13:25,159 --> 01:13:28,000 conservation development or the need for as much as 1581 01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,600 possible but until we don't 1582 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,819 get to that point where we actually have an overhaul of the 1583 01:13:32,819 --> 01:13:33,760 Denton Development 1584 01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,260 Code and make sure that that point that's also addressed 1585 01:13:37,260 --> 01:13:38,479 the future land use map 1586 01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,640 and make sure everything is talking to each other right it 1587 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:42,800 's a work in progress 1588 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:47,119 but I would I would like to see more of this come our way 1589 01:13:47,119 --> 01:13:49,199 good to state it on record and get it out there in the 1590 01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:49,319 public too. 1591 01:13:49,319 --> 01:13:53,520 yeah thank you any other questions on this item? No I've 1592 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:54,520 got two comments 1593 01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:59,680 Commissioner Dunlats. Two comments before you go can you 1594 01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,079 put the concept plan back up 1595 01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:06,500 please and I want to make an observation kind of piggyback 1596 01:14:06,500 --> 01:14:07,800 ing on you that this is 1597 01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,670 obviously a developer initiated you know they're not 1598 01:14:10,670 --> 01:14:11,960 required to do this and a lot 1599 01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,560 times in our Commission we're always concerned the 1600 01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,479 developers aren't green 1601 01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,600 they aren't trying to do anything this individual although 1602 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:20,760 not required is 1603 01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,489 trying to do that and it prompted my thought process about 1604 01:14:24,489 --> 01:14:25,560 an issue that I've 1605 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,640 had about concerns about our density being lot coverage and 1606 01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:30,479 I believe I've 1607 01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,399 pointed out before that as we move into this new plan we're 1608 01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:35,279 going to have to 1609 01:14:35,279 --> 01:14:38,750 address our lot coverage because as we have these green 1610 01:14:38,750 --> 01:14:40,199 spaces they're going to 1611 01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:44,279 get a density transfer a lot will be smaller and then when 1612 01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:46,279 we put our lot 1613 01:14:46,279 --> 01:14:49,420 coverage percentages on these you're going to end up with a 1614 01:14:49,420 --> 01:14:50,640 limited footprint 1615 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,279 so I want to bring that to staff's attention you may 1616 01:14:53,279 --> 01:14:54,399 already be aware of 1617 01:14:54,399 --> 01:14:57,520 that as we go forward that is going to become a bigger 1618 01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,079 issue that we're going to 1619 01:14:59,079 --> 01:15:03,399 have to revisit and address and those are my two comments 1620 01:15:03,399 --> 01:15:06,159 and it's 615 and 1621 01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:09,079 we're going to close. Commissioner Dunlats. I have a 1622 01:15:09,079 --> 01:15:11,239 question when we do have 1623 01:15:11,239 --> 01:15:13,960 questions that are outside the agenda when can we bring 1624 01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,479 them up? When you put 1625 01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:22,760 them on a future agenda. Well it just may not be a question 1626 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,039 that requires a lot 1627 01:15:24,039 --> 01:15:27,329 I'm just questioning things. Yeah as long as you've appr 1628 01:15:27,329 --> 01:15:28,800 ised the public what 1629 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,550 you're going to speak about then that's fine you can take 1630 01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:33,680 two seconds you can 1631 01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,319 take an hour but we have to put it on the agenda if it's 1632 01:15:36,319 --> 01:15:37,279 outside of the agenda 1633 01:15:37,279 --> 01:15:41,359 we can't speak on it. Although we have concluded items and 1634 01:15:41,359 --> 01:15:42,800 we have future items 1635 01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,750 for agenda then is that when we can bring it up? I think 1636 01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:46,560 bring it up and speak 1637 01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:50,239 about it limitedly. Go ahead. Limitedly in order to place 1638 01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:51,199 it on a future agenda 1639 01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:54,199 but not discuss it. I just want to know the process for 1640 01:15:54,199 --> 01:15:55,119 doing it. Sure. Could be a 1641 01:15:55,119 --> 01:15:58,029 simple yes/no answer but that's the appropriate place to 1642 01:15:58,029 --> 01:15:59,000 bring it up correct? 1643 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,029 Correct. Or if it's a specific issue you can just come to 1644 01:16:02,029 --> 01:16:03,199 staff direct about it 1645 01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:08,300 well another thing. I think it has applicability to all the 1646 01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:08,680 commissioners. 1647 01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:13,600 Okay. It's now 6 16 and I'm going to close the work session 1648 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,159 and we'll break for 1649 01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:17,960 meal. Thank you. 1650 01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:29,029 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton October 7th 1651 01:16:29,029 --> 01:16:30,399 Planning and Zoning 1652 01:16:30,399 --> 01:16:33,880 Commission meeting. This meeting has been duly posted and 1653 01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:35,199 we have a quorum 1654 01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:38,409 present. Our first item will be to give a Pledge of Alleg 1655 01:16:38,409 --> 01:16:39,640 iance to the US flag 1656 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,000 followed by the Texas flag. 1657 01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:12,399 Texas, one state, under God, one indivisible. 1658 01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:25,420 The next item on our agenda is going to be presentation of 1659 01:17:25,420 --> 01:17:28,279 the minutes. 1660 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:38,720 Commissioner Taylor. I move approval of the minutes. 1661 01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:50,039 Commissioner Bruegel. I second the motion. The first and a 1662 01:17:50,039 --> 01:17:52,159 second. Any questions or 1663 01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:59,000 discussion? If not we will move for a vote on the board. 1664 01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:16,319 The motion passes 7-0. We'll move on to the consent agenda. 1665 01:18:26,359 --> 01:18:31,810 Commissioner Bruegel. I move approval of the consent agenda 1666 01:18:31,810 --> 01:18:34,279 . Commissioner Dudowitz. I second. 1667 01:18:34,279 --> 01:18:41,380 Is there any discussion or questions? Seeing none, call for 1668 01:18:41,380 --> 01:18:44,119 a vote on the board. 1669 01:18:50,720 --> 01:19:00,359 That motion passes 7-0. Moving on to item four, items for 1670 01:19:00,359 --> 01:19:01,880 individual consideration. 1671 01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,859 The first item we have is to consider and appoint a member 1672 01:19:05,859 --> 01:19:07,119 of the Planning and 1673 01:19:07,119 --> 01:19:10,420 Zoning Commission chair and vice chair positions. We took 1674 01:19:10,420 --> 01:19:12,239 that action two weeks 1675 01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:16,239 ago in work session. The reason it's on our agenda is 1676 01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:17,560 because it was not posted 1677 01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,949 correctly publicly. So this is the first meeting that we've 1678 01:19:20,949 --> 01:19:22,560 had that action posted 1679 01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:26,079 publicly correctly. And do we need to formalize that or is 1680 01:19:26,079 --> 01:19:26,640 it just in the 1681 01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:35,010 minutes? I would just go ahead and do a motion to ratify if 1682 01:19:35,010 --> 01:19:35,520 anyone would like 1683 01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:41,779 to sponsor a motion to ratify. Commissioner Taylor. Thank 1684 01:19:41,779 --> 01:19:42,520 you chair. I 1685 01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,409 move we ratify our previous election of Commissioner 1686 01:19:46,409 --> 01:19:47,960 Strange as chair and 1687 01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,560 Commissioner Bruegel as vice chair. 1688 01:19:59,399 --> 01:20:05,039 Commissioner Rossell. I'll second the motion. Any questions 1689 01:20:05,039 --> 01:20:07,439 or discussion? 1690 01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:14,729 Seeing none, we will call for a vote on the board. That 1691 01:20:14,729 --> 01:20:26,560 motion passes 7-0. It 1692 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:31,180 moves us to item five, our public hearings. And we have 1693 01:20:31,180 --> 01:20:35,119 item A FR 15-0012 1694 01:20:35,119 --> 01:20:39,090 and I will ask Menal to bring that forward. Thank you Chair 1695 01:20:39,090 --> 01:20:39,680 person Strange. 1696 01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,279 I'm going to ask Sophie Humer with the Planning Department 1697 01:20:42,279 --> 01:20:43,000 to go ahead and 1698 01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:47,279 present this final replant for the Razor Ranch Town Center 1699 01:20:47,279 --> 01:20:48,880 Phase 1 edition. Thank 1700 01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,199 you Sophie. One point of order. We are now opening our 1701 01:20:52,199 --> 01:20:53,119 public hearings at the 1702 01:20:53,119 --> 01:20:55,810 beginning of the presentation so I would like to open the 1703 01:20:55,810 --> 01:20:56,960 public hearing at this 1704 01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:02,789 time. Good evening Commissioners. Sophie Humer, Associate 1705 01:21:02,789 --> 01:21:03,680 Planner with the City of 1706 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,970 Denton. I will be presenting to you FR 15-12 the Razor 1707 01:21:06,970 --> 01:21:08,159 Ranch Town Center Phase 1 1708 01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:12,470 replant. The request before you is to consider a final repl 1709 01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:15,520 ant of lots 1R, 2R, 3R, 5R, 1710 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:20,720 6R, 8R, 9R, and 10R of block A of the Razor Ranch Town 1711 01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:22,720 Center Phase 1. The 1712 01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,890 approximately 99 acre property is generally located at the 1713 01:21:25,890 --> 01:21:26,479 southeast 1714 01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:33,840 corner of University Drive and Interstate Highway 35. 1715 01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,800 Section 212 of the 1716 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,479 Texas Local Government Code requires a public hearing for 1717 01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:40,319 any replant or 1718 01:21:40,319 --> 01:21:43,050 subdivision or part of a subdivision without vacation of 1719 01:21:43,050 --> 01:21:43,880 the preceding plot. 1720 01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,649 The purpose of this plot in particular is to amend lot 1721 01:21:46,649 --> 01:21:47,960 lines and easements within 1722 01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:56,020 the plot. This is the face of page one of the plot. This is 1723 01:21:56,020 --> 01:21:59,239 page two. The technical 1724 01:21:59,239 --> 01:22:01,670 requirements of the plot have been met and the plot is in 1725 01:22:01,670 --> 01:22:02,600 order as submitted. 1726 01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,279 The proposed replant complies with the requirements of the 1727 01:22:05,279 --> 01:22:06,039 Denton Development 1728 01:22:06,039 --> 01:22:10,899 Code and staff is recommending approval of FR 15-12. I 1729 01:22:10,899 --> 01:22:12,239 stand for any questions. 1730 01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:15,720 Any questions of staff? 1731 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:23,409 Thank you. This is a public hearing. If there is anyone 1732 01:22:23,409 --> 01:22:26,479 here that would like to 1733 01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:31,000 speak on this item, please come forward now. 1734 01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,510 Seeing none, we will close the public hearing on this item 1735 01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:39,680 and the chair would 1736 01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,319 entertain a motion. 1737 01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:50,670 Commissioner Beck. I move we approve FR 15. Commissioner 1738 01:22:50,670 --> 01:22:56,199 Dudowitz. Any discussion? 1739 01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:01,239 Seeing none, I'll call for a vote on the board. 1740 01:23:11,319 --> 01:23:18,479 That motion passes 7-0. It moves us to item 5B. I'd like to 1741 01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:19,199 open the public 1742 01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:27,640 hearing for FR 15-0003. Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is a 1743 01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:28,840 request for a final 1744 01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,720 replant of block A for the mid-state's realty subdivision. 1745 01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:33,760 Ross Culbertson with 1746 01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:37,880 the Planning Department will present this replant. Thank 1747 01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:39,800 you, Manal, commissioners. 1748 01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:44,039 This is FR 15-03 for mid-state's realty subdivision of Ross 1749 01:23:44,039 --> 01:23:45,119 Culbertson, senior 1750 01:23:45,119 --> 01:23:50,949 planner. The request before you is for a final replant of 1751 01:23:50,949 --> 01:23:53,680 block A lots 2R, 1, 3, 1752 01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:57,199 and 4 of the mid-state's realty subdivision. The 1753 01:23:57,199 --> 01:23:59,159 approximate 1.5 acre 1754 01:23:59,159 --> 01:24:02,840 property is generally generally located on the west side of 1755 01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,319 loop 288, approximately 1756 01:24:04,319 --> 01:24:08,239 800 feet north of Spencer Road within the Mary L. Austin 1757 01:24:08,239 --> 01:24:09,560 Survey, abstract number 1758 01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:14,659 4. Per chapter 212 of the Texas Local Government Code, 1759 01:24:14,659 --> 01:24:15,720 requires a public 1760 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,720 hearing of any replant of a subdivision or part of a subdiv 1761 01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,079 ision without 1762 01:24:20,079 --> 01:24:24,939 vacating the preceding plat. Subject property again shown 1763 01:24:24,939 --> 01:24:27,439 graphically above. 1764 01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:33,279 It encompasses the tractor supply, retail location, and 1765 01:24:33,279 --> 01:24:34,960 adjacent out partial lots 1766 01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:40,649 which are defined by the replant. Technical requirements of 1767 01:24:40,649 --> 01:24:41,800 the plat have been met and the 1768 01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,960 plat is in order as submitted. The proposed replant compl 1769 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:45,600 ies with the 1770 01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,890 requirements of the DIN Development Code and staff 1771 01:24:47,890 --> 01:24:50,119 recommends approval. I can stand 1772 01:24:50,119 --> 01:24:54,319 for any questions. Questions for staff? 1773 01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:01,470 Seeing none. This is a public hearing. If there is anyone 1774 01:25:01,470 --> 01:25:02,319 here that would like to 1775 01:25:02,319 --> 01:25:07,939 speak on this item, please come forward at this time. When 1776 01:25:07,939 --> 01:25:10,439 you get to the 1777 01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:12,560 microphone, if you'll state your name and address for the 1778 01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:13,479 Commission, we would 1779 01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:18,569 appreciate that. Chairman, members of the Commission, my 1780 01:25:18,569 --> 01:25:19,920 name is Greg Edwards. I'm 1781 01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:24,399 with Greg Edwards Engineering Services, 1621 Amanda Coart, 1782 01:25:24,399 --> 01:25:26,439 Ponder, Texas. We 1783 01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:31,390 represent John Mullen who lives in California. This is the 1784 01:25:31,390 --> 01:25:32,720 tractor supply 1785 01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:37,369 site. He has had a long-term lease with Tractor Supply le 1786 01:25:37,369 --> 01:25:38,840 asing the property to 1787 01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:42,600 have them for about three and a half acres of the property 1788 01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:43,760 for several years 1789 01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:48,859 and he wants to create two pad sites out in front of that 1790 01:25:48,859 --> 01:25:51,000 for sale. I'm here if 1791 01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:57,439 you have any questions. Any questions for the applicant? 1792 01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,539 Seeing none, is there anyone else who would like to speak 1793 01:26:04,539 --> 01:26:09,199 on this item? Seeing 1794 01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:11,880 none, I'll close the public hearing at this time and the 1795 01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:12,840 Chair would entertain a 1796 01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:16,720 motion. Commissioner Taylor? I move approval as 1797 01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:22,479 submitted. Commissioner Beck? I second the motion. I have a 1798 01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:23,560 first and a second. Is 1799 01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:27,119 there any discussion on this item? 1800 01:26:29,239 --> 01:26:33,840 Seeing none, we'll call for a vote on the board. 1801 01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:54,760 This motion passes 7-0. I will move us to item 5C and I 1802 01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:55,600 would like to open the 1803 01:26:55,600 --> 01:27:03,189 public hearing for Z15-0015. Thank you Mr. Chair. I'm going 1804 01:27:03,189 --> 01:27:04,039 to request Julie 1805 01:27:04,039 --> 01:27:05,939 Wyatt with the Planning Department to make this 1806 01:27:05,939 --> 01:27:07,239 presentation for a change in 1807 01:27:07,239 --> 01:27:10,930 zoning from Plan Development District 12 to Regional Center 1808 01:27:10,930 --> 01:27:11,640 Commercial 1809 01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:16,739 Downtown. Good evening. I'm Julie Wyatt, Associate Planner 1810 01:27:16,739 --> 01:27:18,880 and this is Z15-15 1811 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:23,369 Toyota-Denton. The request before you is to consider a rez 1812 01:27:23,369 --> 01:27:24,920 oning from Plan 1813 01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,760 Development 12 to Regional Center Commercial Downtown on an 1814 01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:29,399 approximately 1815 01:27:29,399 --> 01:27:34,350 15 acre tract. The subject property is located adjacent to 1816 01:27:34,350 --> 01:27:36,279 I-35. It's south of 1817 01:27:36,279 --> 01:27:41,210 State School and north of Post Oak Drive. Just a bit of 1818 01:27:41,210 --> 01:27:43,079 background regarding the 1819 01:27:43,079 --> 01:27:47,840 plan development. PD-12 was created in 1980 and it covered 1820 01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,560 109 acres and it is 1821 01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:57,640 the area in green. In 1986 that concept plan for the PD was 1822 01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:59,960 amended for 74 of 1823 01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:07,119 those original 109 acres. In 87 the concept plan was then 1824 01:28:07,119 --> 01:28:08,000 amended again for 1825 01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:13,949 43 of those acres. And then finally in 2001 and 2004 there 1826 01:28:13,949 --> 01:28:14,720 were detailed plans 1827 01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:21,609 approved for both Toyota and Honda at the site. This is how 1828 01:28:21,609 --> 01:28:23,319 the zoning map looks 1829 01:28:23,319 --> 01:28:29,390 today. The green part is the existing what's left of PD-12. 1830 01:28:29,390 --> 01:28:30,760 The property to 1831 01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:34,590 the north that is adjacent to State School Road it was z 1832 01:28:34,590 --> 01:28:36,279 oned out of the PD 1833 01:28:36,279 --> 01:28:42,100 in 1999 to RCCN and then in 2005 the property adjacent to 1834 01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:43,279 it was zoned out of 1835 01:28:43,279 --> 01:28:50,380 the PD to RCCD. The subject property is located in a mixed 1836 01:28:50,380 --> 01:28:51,159 and a regional mixed 1837 01:28:51,159 --> 01:28:55,659 use future land use category in accordance with with Denton 1838 01:28:55,659 --> 01:28:57,159 Plan 2030. 1839 01:28:57,159 --> 01:29:01,819 The proposal does meet the requirements of this future land 1840 01:29:01,819 --> 01:29:03,520 use designation. 1841 01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,710 Just a couple of other things to consider when the when the 1842 01:29:06,710 --> 01:29:07,300 detailed 1843 01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:10,770 plans were approved there were some conditions on those 1844 01:29:10,770 --> 01:29:11,960 detailed plans. For 1845 01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:15,869 Toyota the the the lighting was addressed in a condition as 1846 01:29:15,869 --> 01:29:17,000 well as some lands and 1847 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:21,800 landscaped strip, public address speakers, and then some 1848 01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,239 other conditions 1849 01:29:23,239 --> 01:29:25,989 associated with the construction including the temporary 1850 01:29:25,989 --> 01:29:26,800 sales office and 1851 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:31,279 and some tree protection. Honda also had some conditions on 1852 01:29:31,279 --> 01:29:32,720 the detail plan. One 1853 01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:36,189 being the lighting like like the Toyota and then also the 1854 01:29:36,189 --> 01:29:37,119 public address 1855 01:29:37,119 --> 01:29:40,670 speakers and then there is a detention pond on this site 1856 01:29:40,670 --> 01:29:41,640 and there was a 1857 01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,119 condition that future development would require an 1858 01:29:44,119 --> 01:29:45,300 additional detail plan 1859 01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:50,789 approval. So when we looked at the considerations regarding 1860 01:29:50,789 --> 01:29:51,680 this rezoning 1861 01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,319 request first of all we looked at that the site is 1862 01:29:54,319 --> 01:29:56,399 consistent with the RCCD 1863 01:29:56,399 --> 01:29:59,079 zoning designation as well as the future land use 1864 01:29:59,079 --> 01:30:01,680 designation of the property. We 1865 01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:05,279 also considered that the approval would remove the existing 1866 01:30:05,279 --> 01:30:06,479 conditions that were 1867 01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:08,989 put in place with the detail plan but when we dug a little 1868 01:30:08,989 --> 01:30:09,920 deeper in that we 1869 01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,600 looked at four of those conditions really were related to 1870 01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:13,260 the original 1871 01:30:13,260 --> 01:30:16,539 construction and are no longer applicable. That lighting is 1872 01:30:16,539 --> 01:30:16,800 now 1873 01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,090 addressed in sub chapter 13 and part of those requirements 1874 01:30:20,090 --> 01:30:21,760 in sub chapter 13 do 1875 01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,829 address the lighting of the adjacent properties as well as 1876 01:30:24,829 --> 01:30:25,840 making sure that 1877 01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,840 the lighting doesn't like the night sky so those are 1878 01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:30,399 addressed. A noise is 1879 01:30:30,399 --> 01:30:33,819 regulated by our code of ordinances and then the finally 1880 01:30:33,819 --> 01:30:35,199 the detention pond it 1881 01:30:35,199 --> 01:30:39,479 is heavily encumbered by easements and so if that did end 1882 01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,239 up coming to develop it 1883 01:30:41,239 --> 01:30:45,560 would have to be replatted. Furthermore the requirement 1884 01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:46,880 does meet the criteria 1885 01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,890 for or the the request does meet the criteria for approval 1886 01:30:49,890 --> 01:30:50,560 and then didn't 1887 01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:54,880 development code. That criteria for approval is outlined in 1888 01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:55,800 sub chapter 3 1889 01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,550 first that the proposed rezoning meets the future land use 1890 01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:59,479 element of the dent 1891 01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,699 plan in this case it does and then second that the proposed 1892 01:31:02,699 --> 01:31:03,319 rezoning 1893 01:31:03,319 --> 01:31:06,199 facilitates the adequate provision of transportation, water 1894 01:31:06,199 --> 01:31:07,119 , sewer, schools, 1895 01:31:07,119 --> 01:31:10,869 parks and other public requirements and it meets that 1896 01:31:10,869 --> 01:31:12,560 requirement. Public 1897 01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,359 notification was sent out and we received no letters in 1898 01:31:16,359 --> 01:31:17,520 opposition or in 1899 01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:21,630 favor so based upon the considerations and the criteria for 1900 01:31:21,630 --> 01:31:22,640 approval staff does 1901 01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:29,569 recommend approval of this rezoning case. Questions for 1902 01:31:29,569 --> 01:31:30,520 staff? 1903 01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:36,470 Seeing none. This is a public hearing anyone here that 1904 01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:37,800 would like to speak on 1905 01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,279 this item please come forward now. 1906 01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:48,199 Seeing none I'm going to close the public hearing on this 1907 01:31:48,199 --> 01:31:49,960 item and the chair 1908 01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:56,210 would entertain a motion. Commissioner Dudowitz. 1909 01:31:56,210 --> 01:31:58,920 Commissioner Rozelle. I second 1910 01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:03,590 motion. The first and the second is there any further 1911 01:32:03,590 --> 01:32:04,520 discussion or 1912 01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:07,039 clarification? 1913 01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:13,600 Seeing none we'll call for a vote on the board. 1914 01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:30,319 The motion carries 7-0. We'll move us to item 5D I would 1915 01:32:30,319 --> 01:32:31,640 like to open the public 1916 01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:40,010 hearing for Z15-0025. Thank you Mr. Person Strange. I will 1917 01:32:40,010 --> 01:32:40,359 request 1918 01:32:40,359 --> 01:32:42,960 Julie Wyatt to come forward and make this presentation for 1919 01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:43,720 a zoning change 1920 01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:53,880 from RCCN to ECC. Good evening this is Z15-25. I'm Julie 1921 01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:55,279 Wyatt associate planner. 1922 01:32:55,279 --> 01:33:00,039 The request before you is to consider a recommendation to 1923 01:33:00,039 --> 01:33:02,829 City Council regarding a rezoning request from Regional 1924 01:33:02,829 --> 01:33:03,800 Center Commercial 1925 01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:07,579 Neighborhood to Employment Center Commercial on 1926 01:33:07,579 --> 01:33:09,800 approximately 15 acres. 1927 01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,640 The subject property is is located on the north side of the 1928 01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:15,000 city. It is 1929 01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:23,279 adjacent to I-35 and south of Bartold Road. Just a 1930 01:33:23,279 --> 01:33:24,479 background on the site it 1931 01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,439 was originally a truck stop car wash convenience store 1932 01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:28,600 warehouse and truck 1933 01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:35,909 storage. It what the convenience store did burn in 2008. So 1934 01:33:35,909 --> 01:33:37,000 in order to 1935 01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,840 facilitate the redevelopment of the site staff met with the 1936 01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,279 applicant in 2013 to 1937 01:33:42,279 --> 01:33:45,420 discuss how they move forward. They wanted to move forward 1938 01:33:45,420 --> 01:33:46,279 with a convenience 1939 01:33:46,279 --> 01:33:50,479 store, gasoline sales, restaurants and a truck repair. The 1940 01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:51,159 current zoning 1941 01:33:51,159 --> 01:33:57,529 of RCCN does not permit truck repair. So at that time based 1942 01:33:57,529 --> 01:34:01,079 upon Dent Plan 1999 1943 01:34:01,079 --> 01:34:05,920 that future land use staff recommended the applicant rezone 1944 01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:06,680 the property or 1945 01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:12,920 pursue a rezoning to RCCD. That was consistent with the 1946 01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:14,039 Regional Center 1947 01:34:14,039 --> 01:34:18,260 Commercial future land use designation of the property at 1948 01:34:18,260 --> 01:34:20,680 the time. However fast 1949 01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:23,470 forward and a new comprehensive or an update to the 1950 01:34:23,470 --> 01:34:25,000 comprehensive plan has been 1951 01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:28,789 passed and that's Dent Plan 2030 and it changed the area 1952 01:34:28,789 --> 01:34:29,920 from that Regional 1953 01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:34,220 Commercial Center to Business Innovation for a future land 1954 01:34:34,220 --> 01:34:35,479 use designation. And 1955 01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:39,829 just a little bit of history on that. So this area was 1956 01:34:39,829 --> 01:34:41,680 designated for Regional 1957 01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:49,800 Center Commercial in 1998, 1988 sorry. It was it was this 1958 01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:52,560 center as well as the 1959 01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:56,760 mall. So there were there were two of them. Then in 1999 an 1960 01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:58,159 additional Regional 1961 01:34:58,159 --> 01:35:03,560 Commercial Center was brought in and that was at I-35 and 1962 01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:04,840 John Paine. 1963 01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:10,140 A fourth Regional Center Commercial was added in 2007 and 1964 01:35:10,140 --> 01:35:11,159 that was the Razor 1965 01:35:11,159 --> 01:35:15,399 Ranch development. So when you include include these these 1966 01:35:15,399 --> 01:35:16,239 areas as well as 1967 01:35:16,239 --> 01:35:20,399 downtown we're looking at at four regional centers and and 1968 01:35:20,399 --> 01:35:21,359 during the 1969 01:35:21,359 --> 01:35:23,560 analysis of the comprehensive plan it was just determined 1970 01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:24,239 that was too many 1971 01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:28,520 for Dent to support. So the end result was they changed 1972 01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,640 this area to Business 1973 01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:34,960 Innovation and really what that did was it changed it from 1974 01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:36,600 that that desired 1975 01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:40,199 high-density residential commercial that sort of urban 1976 01:35:40,199 --> 01:35:43,840 center to a an area that 1977 01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:48,010 is intended to promote large-scale employment areas offices 1978 01:35:48,010 --> 01:35:48,960 with also the 1979 01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:55,640 supporting commercial uses as well. So when we look at that 1980 01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:55,800 in look at that in 1981 01:35:55,800 --> 01:36:04,270 context of the zoning districts RCCN it both RCCN which is 1982 01:36:04,270 --> 01:36:05,399 the existing zoning 1983 01:36:05,399 --> 01:36:10,350 and the desired ECC permit a lot of commercial uses. 1984 01:36:10,350 --> 01:36:12,000 However RCCN has a 1985 01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:16,359 high-density residential use whereas ECC doesn't have that 1986 01:36:16,359 --> 01:36:17,640 residential use but it 1987 01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:21,149 has some light industrial so it can go more toward 1988 01:36:21,149 --> 01:36:23,699 employment center. So the 1989 01:36:23,699 --> 01:36:26,289 considerations we looked at first that the site has 1990 01:36:26,289 --> 01:36:27,680 historically been used as a 1991 01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:31,659 truck stop. This area is ideal for this type of use it's on 1992 01:36:31,659 --> 01:36:32,579 the north side of 1993 01:36:32,579 --> 01:36:35,989 the city it's sort of that gateway that travel center and 1994 01:36:35,989 --> 01:36:37,079 it provides that 1995 01:36:37,079 --> 01:36:43,600 access for for the end user. Until the DDC is updated in 1996 01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:44,800 response to Denton 1997 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:50,119 Plan 2030 the ECC zoning district is is a consistent zoning 1998 01:36:50,119 --> 01:36:51,359 designation with that 1999 01:36:51,359 --> 01:36:55,640 business innovation future land use designation. The 2000 01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:56,920 surrounding uses are 2001 01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:01,069 primary primarily agricultural and commercial and so 2002 01:37:01,069 --> 01:37:02,560 therefore the impacts 2003 01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:08,409 to the adjacent properties are not there or minimal. And 2004 01:37:08,409 --> 01:37:09,760 then when we look at the 2005 01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:13,199 criteria for approval the proposed rezoning conforms to the 2006 01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:13,840 future land use 2007 01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:17,439 element it does that that that ECC does meet the 2008 01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:19,720 requirements and the intent of 2009 01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:22,659 that business innovation future land use designation and 2010 01:37:22,659 --> 01:37:23,600 that the proposed 2011 01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,670 rezoning facilitates the adequate provision of 2012 01:37:25,670 --> 01:37:27,039 transportation water sewer 2013 01:37:27,039 --> 01:37:30,000 schools parks and other public requirements and convenience 2014 01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:30,600 . It meets 2015 01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:34,449 that requirement as well. A public notification was sent 2016 01:37:34,449 --> 01:37:36,159 out we have not 2017 01:37:36,159 --> 01:37:42,239 received any letters in opposition or in favor. So based 2018 01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:43,359 upon the considerations 2019 01:37:43,359 --> 01:37:46,960 and the criteria for approval staff recommends approval of 2020 01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:48,079 this rezoning. 2021 01:37:48,079 --> 01:37:52,090 And I believe the applicant is here so if you have any 2022 01:37:52,090 --> 01:37:55,239 questions for staff. 2023 01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:59,279 Commissioner Rossell. Thank you chair. I have some 2024 01:37:59,279 --> 01:38:01,199 significant issues or questions 2025 01:38:01,199 --> 01:38:04,979 rather about the traffic flow that would be generated by 2026 01:38:04,979 --> 01:38:06,239 adding additional truck 2027 01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:09,239 stop looking at aerial maps the truck stop on the east side 2028 01:38:09,239 --> 01:38:10,000 of the interstate 2029 01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:14,619 is is quite full and I know from my own experience that 2030 01:38:14,619 --> 01:38:16,520 underpass at that 2031 01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:20,170 intersection is is already pretty tight and so I'm 2032 01:38:20,170 --> 01:38:22,000 wondering the impact on 2033 01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:26,390 traffic flow by adding another stop there. Well we 2034 01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:28,239 typically address those 2035 01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:32,720 specific traffic impacts during the platting phase so at 2036 01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:34,279 this stage they've 2037 01:38:34,279 --> 01:38:38,560 not done traffic impact and a traffic impact analysis so 2038 01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:39,239 that would be 2039 01:38:39,239 --> 01:38:41,920 addressed at the platting stage. And during the platting 2040 01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:42,920 stage I would 2041 01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:46,520 imagine that the traffic would be measured at Barthold 2042 01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:48,279 streets but I'm 2043 01:38:48,279 --> 01:38:52,310 also curious about the impact of highway 1173 just to the 2044 01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:53,560 south which is the main 2045 01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:57,050 thoroughfare into Crum from the highway. Would the traffic 2046 01:38:57,050 --> 01:38:57,960 study or is it under 2047 01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:00,649 the purview of this Commission to have the traffic study 2048 01:39:00,649 --> 01:39:01,520 also measure the 2049 01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:10,000 impact of that thoroughfare highway 1173. Let me call Earl 2050 01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:11,199 up because he'll 2051 01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:14,800 give me more information on what the analysis is for the 2052 01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:15,600 traffic impact. 2053 01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:22,630 Thank you. Good evening my name is Earl Escobar with 2054 01:39:22,630 --> 01:39:24,760 engineering. As part of the 2055 01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:28,170 development plotting process they're going to be required 2056 01:39:28,170 --> 01:39:28,920 to perform a 2057 01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:32,520 traffic impact analysis and as part of that analysis we'll 2058 01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:33,460 establish the 2059 01:39:33,460 --> 01:39:37,750 parameters of the intersections that they need to evaluate 2060 01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:39,000 and I believe the 2061 01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:43,720 intersection by 35 is already one of them and if PNC is 2062 01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:44,439 concerned is the 2063 01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:49,090 intersection 1173 and 35 I guess it'd be southbound service 2064 01:39:49,090 --> 01:39:50,000 road then we can 2065 01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:54,680 include that as well. Thank you. 2066 01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:07,960 Any other questions for staff? Thank you. This is a public 2067 01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:08,920 hearing is there 2068 01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:10,989 anyone here that would like to speak on this item please 2069 01:40:10,989 --> 01:40:13,800 come down at this time. 2070 01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,850 Please state your name and address for the record. Good 2071 01:40:16,850 --> 01:40:18,079 evening names Jeremy 2072 01:40:18,079 --> 01:40:21,329 Rees with Chippewa Engineering Group 4420 Jackson Street, 2073 01:40:21,329 --> 01:40:22,560 Marianna Florida. 2074 01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,420 Basically just here at where the site development engineers 2075 01:40:25,420 --> 01:40:26,199 just basically 2076 01:40:26,199 --> 01:40:28,770 here to answer any questions you guys might have from our 2077 01:40:28,770 --> 01:40:30,479 standpoint and we 2078 01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:33,039 just look forward to working with the city to provide you 2079 01:40:33,039 --> 01:40:33,880 know clean up the 2080 01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:36,300 site kind of provide a respectful development here and 2081 01:40:36,300 --> 01:40:37,159 something we really 2082 01:40:37,159 --> 01:40:40,520 look forward to having so thanks. Great any questions for 2083 01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:41,159 the applicants 2084 01:40:41,159 --> 01:40:43,720 represented? 2085 01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:49,319 Again this is a public hearing is there anyone else that 2086 01:40:49,319 --> 01:40:51,399 would like to speak on 2087 01:40:51,399 --> 01:40:53,800 this item? 2088 01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:01,140 Good evening chairman on the board my name is Michael Oshos 2089 01:41:01,140 --> 01:41:02,760 hoya. For the 981 2090 01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:07,859 battled I belong to the owners of the property that is just 2091 01:41:07,859 --> 01:41:08,840 west of the 2092 01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:14,000 proposed property. The question I have is when it gets to 2093 01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:14,760 the platinum and 2094 01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:20,369 development are there going to be ways to address pollution 2095 01:41:20,369 --> 01:41:21,760 coming from that 2096 01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:26,880 truck stop and noise especially since we bother the 2097 01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:28,119 property to make sure 2098 01:41:28,119 --> 01:41:31,630 whatever development goes on there this truck stop doesn't 2099 01:41:31,630 --> 01:41:32,640 impact the future 2100 01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:36,319 use of that. Thank you. 2101 01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:43,869 I may be able to help with some of that. The city does have 2102 01:41:43,869 --> 01:41:44,279 a noise 2103 01:41:44,279 --> 01:41:49,239 ordinance that at the property line I don't believe that 2104 01:41:49,239 --> 01:41:50,800 the noise can be 2105 01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:55,909 greater than 65 dBA so so that is an ordinance that we have 2106 01:41:55,909 --> 01:41:56,920 at the city and 2107 01:41:56,920 --> 01:42:00,270 then I also believe and someone may correct me that we have 2108 01:42:00,270 --> 01:42:01,920 an anti idling 2109 01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:05,840 ordinance as well or an idling ordinance as well that might 2110 01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:07,000 address some of the 2111 01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:13,359 pollution as well. Thank you Mrs. Wyatt. 2112 01:42:15,039 --> 01:42:19,199 I got my recognized Commissioner Hussbett you have a 2113 01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:21,279 question for. Thank you 2114 01:42:21,279 --> 01:42:29,000 chairperson. Yes I have a question for Mr. is it I'm sorry 2115 01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:31,279 yes sir yes sir 2116 01:42:31,279 --> 01:42:37,840 what I am so I've pulled up your address but how big is 2117 01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:39,720 your property or how many 2118 01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:45,659 acres? I believe is 12.3 I'm not too sure of the number. 2119 01:42:45,659 --> 01:42:48,479 Okay yeah and is 2120 01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:53,279 your understanding looking at the map that you're kind of 2121 01:42:53,279 --> 01:42:55,199 at the back end of 2122 01:42:55,199 --> 01:42:59,720 that yellow? Yeah the west side of that yes yes directly or 2123 01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:00,680 is there property 2124 01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:04,909 our property is just west of the yellow from the top there 2125 01:43:04,909 --> 01:43:06,319 Barthold that's 2126 01:43:06,319 --> 01:43:12,720 strip to where you have the detention pond. Okay thank you. 2127 01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:17,479 Commissioner Tyler. Thank you chair so just to clarify you 2128 01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:18,439 're on the north side 2129 01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:21,359 of Barthold? No south side of Barthold that's west of the 2130 01:43:21,359 --> 01:43:22,560 proposed property. So 2131 01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,060 where there's kind of like a parking in the in the aerial 2132 01:43:25,060 --> 01:43:25,920 there it shows that 2133 01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:29,159 kind of parking currently a parking lot area is that 2134 01:43:29,159 --> 01:43:31,000 correct? No it's yeah it's 2135 01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:41,359 parking lot area I showed in the area yeah. Yes yes. Just a 2136 01:43:41,359 --> 01:43:43,520 second. Commissioner 2137 01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:56,949 Detovits I don't have you on the board. There's a good 2138 01:43:56,949 --> 01:43:57,279 there's a wing stop right 2139 01:43:57,279 --> 01:44:09,739 there. Wing stop wing foot. Yeah. I believe it's kind of 2140 01:44:09,739 --> 01:44:12,880 auto show. 2141 01:44:14,079 --> 01:44:16,930 No no we I just belong to the church at home to property I 2142 01:44:16,930 --> 01:44:18,079 do I don't have 2143 01:44:18,079 --> 01:44:28,189 anything to do with that business. Any other questions? 2144 01:44:28,189 --> 01:44:32,439 Thank you sir. This is a 2145 01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:36,130 public hearing is there anyone else who would like to speak 2146 01:44:36,130 --> 01:44:37,479 on this item? Good 2147 01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:41,289 evening my name is Samuel Akin I belongs to the church as 2148 01:44:41,289 --> 01:44:42,720 well the only thing 2149 01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:47,520 that I want to address is the road to Barthold because that 2150 01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:48,680 place is very very 2151 01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:52,880 narrow I don't know whether they have any plan to make that 2152 01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:54,279 place a little bit 2153 01:44:54,279 --> 01:44:58,359 wider for us. Okay we'll see if we can get an answer for 2154 01:44:58,359 --> 01:45:00,600 you. 2155 01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:15,720 [inaudible] 2156 01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:46,229 As part of this development what they're going to do is 2157 01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:48,199 they're going to realign 2158 01:45:48,199 --> 01:45:52,600 Barthold Road to line up with the signalized intersection 2159 01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:55,279 of I-35 and as 2160 01:45:55,279 --> 01:45:59,819 part of that as realignment they're also going to improve 2161 01:45:59,819 --> 01:46:02,119 it to a wider section I 2162 01:46:02,119 --> 01:46:06,060 believe it's going to be a four-lane divided roadway along 2163 01:46:06,060 --> 01:46:08,880 their stretch here. 2164 01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:15,840 Thank you. Commissioner Roselle. I have a question about 2165 01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:17,079 the traffic flow sorry to 2166 01:46:17,079 --> 01:46:22,600 I understand that the applicant would be rerouting Barthold 2167 01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:23,920 to align with Elm 2168 01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:27,430 Street on the east side that timeline would work with 2169 01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:28,560 construction of the 2170 01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:32,029 the travel stop what about on the west side connecting 2171 01:46:32,029 --> 01:46:34,479 highway 1173 to Barthold 2172 01:46:34,479 --> 01:46:37,550 it looks like you're kind of s-shaping that around what's 2173 01:46:37,550 --> 01:46:39,039 the timeline for that 2174 01:46:39,039 --> 01:46:42,550 redirection of that road? That timeline is unknown at this 2175 01:46:42,550 --> 01:46:45,600 point this eventually 2176 01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:50,140 will become 1173 which is a textile roadway and it's not in 2177 01:46:50,140 --> 01:46:51,479 their near future 2178 01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:56,000 radar. Okay thank you. 2179 01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:00,050 Again this is a public hearing is there anyone else who 2180 01:47:00,050 --> 01:47:01,720 would like to speak on 2181 01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:13,420 this item? Please come forward. I think this matter of the 2182 01:47:13,420 --> 01:47:14,720 road is something that 2183 01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:19,550 we need to address right away because right now if anybody 2184 01:47:19,550 --> 01:47:20,680 is trying to go 2185 01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:25,220 through the Barthold it's only one way something. Two 2186 01:47:25,220 --> 01:47:28,359 vehicles cannot come across 2187 01:47:28,359 --> 01:47:33,920 each other at all so we need to address that immediately. 2188 01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:37,279 Okay thank you. 2189 01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:41,060 Again this is a public hearing is there anyone else who'd 2190 01:47:41,060 --> 01:47:42,439 like to speak on this 2191 01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:47,880 item? Seeing none we have one response that was sent in 2192 01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:51,840 from Mr. Joseph Agbo at 2193 01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:57,300 3400 Marymount Drive in Denton. He did not have in favor a 2194 01:47:57,300 --> 01:47:58,560 neutral or opposed 2195 01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:01,100 his request we have a copy we'll have that attached for the 2196 01:48:01,100 --> 01:48:03,000 record. I'm going 2197 01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:07,140 to at this time close the public hearing and I'm going to 2198 01:48:07,140 --> 01:48:08,000 recognize 2199 01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:12,199 Commissioner Hutsboth. Before you do. Okay excuse me I will 2200 01:48:12,199 --> 01:48:13,239 reopen the public 2201 01:48:13,239 --> 01:48:16,710 hearing from this item. Thank you. I just the applicant 2202 01:48:16,710 --> 01:48:19,399 representative can you 2203 01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:23,229 staff has already given an overview but could you kind of 2204 01:48:23,229 --> 01:48:24,439 summarize what your 2205 01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:28,619 vision or your your clients vision for that property is 2206 01:48:28,619 --> 01:48:30,000 just for clarity? 2207 01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:34,159 Well basically a normal love site will have the regular 2208 01:48:34,159 --> 01:48:35,239 travel center which 2209 01:48:35,239 --> 01:48:38,270 will include two to three restaurants. In this case we're 2210 01:48:38,270 --> 01:48:39,359 not really sure what 2211 01:48:39,359 --> 01:48:42,079 the restaurants will be at this point. We're looking at 2212 01:48:42,079 --> 01:48:43,039 probably one drive 2213 01:48:43,039 --> 01:48:46,189 through and maybe a couple of smaller sit downs and there 2214 01:48:46,189 --> 01:48:47,960 'll be an auto fueling 2215 01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:50,840 area and then in the back of that completely separate from 2216 01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:51,520 the auto area 2217 01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:53,819 will be the truck area and then they'll have the diesel b 2218 01:48:53,819 --> 01:48:54,800 ays back there and then 2219 01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:57,869 toward the rear of the property will be a tire building and 2220 01:48:57,869 --> 01:48:58,840 that was the reason 2221 01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:01,649 for the rezoning so we could have just the tire maintenance 2222 01:49:01,649 --> 01:49:02,600 and fluid changes 2223 01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:05,890 that sort of thing just some some light maintenance work 2224 01:49:05,890 --> 01:49:07,119 but loves is a family 2225 01:49:07,119 --> 01:49:09,520 owned company they you know take pride in everything they 2226 01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:10,039 do all their 2227 01:49:10,039 --> 01:49:12,270 developments so you know they put their name one they're 2228 01:49:12,270 --> 01:49:13,159 gonna make sure it's 2229 01:49:13,159 --> 01:49:18,680 gonna be you know up to code up to standard so. Thank you. 2230 01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:24,239 Commissioner Taylor. 2231 01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:35,920 I was wondering if staff could address or to speak to what 2232 01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:37,960 kind of barriers 2233 01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:42,000 would be in place or what kind of buffering would would 2234 01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:43,279 occur if we have a 2235 01:49:43,279 --> 01:49:46,930 church or kind of a residential use next to a commercial 2236 01:49:46,930 --> 01:49:49,000 use. Sure we have 2237 01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:52,289 buffer requirements between the different uses. Let me go 2238 01:49:52,289 --> 01:49:53,079 get my code so I 2239 01:49:53,079 --> 01:49:55,479 make sure I. 2240 01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:16,600 So a church would be an institutional use and then you have 2241 01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:17,319 a commercial use 2242 01:50:17,319 --> 01:50:24,449 adjacent. It doesn't look like the code requires buffers 2243 01:50:24,449 --> 01:50:25,760 between institutional 2244 01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:30,600 uses and commercial uses. If it was an industrial use then 2245 01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:32,079 it would require a 2246 01:50:32,079 --> 01:50:36,880 type B buffer but as it is right now there aren't any buff 2247 01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:38,600 ers required. And so 2248 01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:41,239 would this quote so the tire shop does not make it 2249 01:50:41,239 --> 01:50:44,880 industrial? Is that it? 2250 01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:50,760 Vehicle repair I believe. Let me verify. 2251 01:50:53,319 --> 01:50:57,939 Vehicle repair is under our commercial land use categories 2252 01:50:57,939 --> 01:50:59,439 so it's considered 2253 01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:04,720 commercial. Thank you. Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. 2254 01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:08,960 Got a question for the 2255 01:51:10,319 --> 01:51:12,420 and I think I know the answer is but I'm gonna ask it 2256 01:51:12,420 --> 01:51:14,680 anyway. Is this a 24/7 2257 01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:18,760 operation this business? I believe it is yes. So there's 2258 01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:19,800 something going on day 2259 01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:24,899 and night. Right. Okay thank you. Commissioner Briggle. 2260 01:51:24,899 --> 01:51:26,399 Miss Wyatt can you bring your code 2261 01:51:26,399 --> 01:51:30,520 back up here please. Sorry I just didn't get to ring in 2262 01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:31,279 fast enough after 2263 01:51:31,279 --> 01:51:33,699 Commissioner Taylor's question because I had asked also 2264 01:51:33,699 --> 01:51:34,399 about the buffers 2265 01:51:34,399 --> 01:51:37,869 during the work session. So there's not currently a church 2266 01:51:37,869 --> 01:51:39,079 on that property to 2267 01:51:39,079 --> 01:51:45,340 the west. So what what buffer would be required for what 2268 01:51:45,340 --> 01:51:46,520 the current property 2269 01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:49,779 is? No buffers. There's no buffers. No ma'am. Okay and then 2270 01:51:49,779 --> 01:51:50,960 on the south side where 2271 01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:53,600 there's that residence just to clarify that would be. Now 2272 01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:54,520 if it was against a 2273 01:51:54,520 --> 01:52:01,000 residence. I don't want to misspeak. 2274 01:52:05,279 --> 01:52:07,779 Commercial against single-family residential is a type C 2275 01:52:07,779 --> 01:52:09,640 buffer which is 2276 01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:12,920 a 15 foot planted strip that includes a combination of six 2277 01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:13,760 evergreen and 2278 01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:17,609 deciduous trees and 25 shrubs per 100 linear feet. And that 2279 01:52:17,609 --> 01:52:18,680 's 15 feet along 2280 01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:22,829 the whole perimeter. Yes ma'am. Okay when the church is 2281 01:52:22,829 --> 01:52:24,960 established to the west at 2282 01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:28,760 some point would that the if the church wanted a buffer at 2283 01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:29,479 that point they would 2284 01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:37,239 be responsible for that. Okay thank you. I see nothing else 2285 01:52:37,239 --> 01:52:37,960 on the board but I'm 2286 01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:41,920 ask again are there any other questions? 2287 01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:47,180 Seeing none. All done we're going to close the public 2288 01:52:47,180 --> 01:52:48,920 hearing on this particular 2289 01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:53,920 item and the chair would entertain a motion. 2290 01:52:55,680 --> 01:53:00,600 Commissioner Dudowitz. I approve or motion only make a 2291 01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:01,520 motion to approve it. 2292 01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:06,720 Thank you. Commissioner Hudspeth. I second. Okay have a 2293 01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:08,119 first and a second. Is there 2294 01:53:08,119 --> 01:53:13,859 any further discussion on this item? Seeing none we'll call 2295 01:53:13,859 --> 01:53:15,119 for a vote on the 2296 01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:17,279 board. 2297 01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:32,199 The motion carries 7-0. Move us to item 5E. I'm going to 2298 01:53:32,199 --> 01:53:33,079 open the public 2299 01:53:33,079 --> 01:53:39,279 hearing for Z15-0024. Thank you. I'm going to request Ross 2300 01:53:39,279 --> 01:53:43,119 Culbertson to come ahead and make this presentation. 2301 01:53:52,079 --> 01:53:58,300 Commissioners this is a zoning request Z1524 for Pecan Park 2302 01:53:58,300 --> 01:54:00,680 addition. Before I 2303 01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:03,149 raise the consideration to make a recommendation to City 2304 01:54:03,149 --> 01:54:03,560 Council 2305 01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:07,380 regarding a rezoning request from a neighborhood 2306 01:54:07,380 --> 01:54:09,079 residential mixed use 2307 01:54:09,079 --> 01:54:13,600 district in RMU to a neighborhood residential 4 district on 2308 01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:14,319 approximately 2309 01:54:14,319 --> 01:54:21,010 20 acres. Property before he is generally located on the 2310 01:54:21,010 --> 01:54:22,000 south side of 2311 01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:26,520 East Bikini Street approximately 2,000 feet east of Orr 2312 01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:28,399 Road which is a north 2313 01:54:28,399 --> 01:54:35,619 south road over here to the west. This slide provides a 2314 01:54:35,619 --> 01:54:37,840 little more context for 2315 01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:40,600 you. The zoning request encompasses 20 acres of an 2316 01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:42,159 approximate 80 acre tract 2317 01:54:42,159 --> 01:54:45,329 which the applicant intends to develop as a single-family 2318 01:54:45,329 --> 01:54:47,239 subdivision. As you 2319 01:54:47,239 --> 01:54:50,479 can see I've tried to delineate the 20 acres and the 2320 01:54:50,479 --> 01:54:51,800 holistic nature of the 2321 01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:56,170 property. This slide also provides a visual of the natural 2322 01:54:56,170 --> 01:54:57,479 context and the 2323 01:54:57,479 --> 01:55:02,920 vicinity of uses. This is a rural part of Denton to the 2324 01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:06,560 east off of loop 288 and 2325 01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:12,039 south south of McKinney Street. As you can see there's some 2326 01:55:12,039 --> 01:55:13,600 very nice natural 2327 01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:18,689 areas to be considered with future development particularly 2328 01:55:18,689 --> 01:55:19,920 there's a area 2329 01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:26,340 of tree stands in the middle there's property the 80 acres 2330 01:55:26,340 --> 01:55:28,000 bounds to the south 2331 01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:32,239 with Concrete which has some floodplain areas just in 2332 01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:35,000 between that area. Right 2333 01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:38,220 now we are just looking at the zoning for this portion only 2334 01:55:38,220 --> 01:55:40,359 at this moment. 2335 01:55:40,359 --> 01:55:44,760 Looking at the zoning maps side by side the intended 2336 01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:47,399 request is to remove the 2337 01:55:47,399 --> 01:55:52,779 red area shown as NRMU which is that 20 acres and rezoned 2338 01:55:52,779 --> 01:55:54,159 it to NR4 and you 2339 01:55:54,159 --> 01:55:57,090 can see the comparisons that the intent is to create a 2340 01:55:57,090 --> 01:55:59,239 holistic rezoned property 2341 01:55:59,239 --> 01:56:05,520 to NR4 for future development. I also want to point out the 2342 01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:07,680 compatible area to 2343 01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:12,960 the west property that is zoned NR4 that also has adjac 2344 01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:13,680 encies to this 2345 01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:17,989 property. When we look at the NRMU category and you can see 2346 01:56:17,989 --> 01:56:18,800 the delineation 2347 01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:26,720 on the on the screen per the 20 2002 citywide rezoning this 2348 01:56:26,720 --> 01:56:27,840 area was rezoned 2349 01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:33,680 to encourage uses but since that time uses have not 2350 01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:34,920 developed to that 2351 01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:38,430 intensity and this is a very kind of high intense zoning 2352 01:56:38,430 --> 01:56:39,880 district that 2353 01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:43,390 encourages high-density residential creates active nodes of 2354 01:56:43,390 --> 01:56:44,079 neighborhood 2355 01:56:44,079 --> 01:56:48,569 retail and office uses to support those neighborhoods and 2356 01:56:48,569 --> 01:56:49,479 allows for 2357 01:56:49,479 --> 01:56:54,229 multifamily with 30 units per acre and it does prohibit 2358 01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:57,359 single-family. So in 2359 01:56:57,359 --> 01:57:00,000 your considerations we look at the future land use map the 2360 01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:00,840 future land use 2361 01:57:00,840 --> 01:57:05,680 map guides through the didn't plan 2030 map of the intended 2362 01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:07,199 growth patterns the 2363 01:57:07,199 --> 01:57:10,439 future land use map indicates this area as rural area 2364 01:57:10,439 --> 01:57:12,560 indicated in green the 2365 01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:17,109 current NRMU district does not fit with the character of 2366 01:57:17,109 --> 01:57:19,000 this low intensity low 2367 01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:24,500 density rural context and to be honest the NR4 does not fit 2368 01:57:24,500 --> 01:57:25,760 with respect to the 2369 01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:30,350 low density rural character rural context. Staff is making 2370 01:57:30,350 --> 01:57:32,000 a effort to to 2371 01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:36,279 show that we support how the transition of these densities 2372 01:57:36,279 --> 01:57:37,760 can be applied with 2373 01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:42,859 the NR2 NR4 zoning. However the inner four is more 2374 01:57:42,859 --> 01:57:44,119 compatible with the future 2375 01:57:44,119 --> 01:57:47,630 land use map and more suited as a catalyst to spur future 2376 01:57:47,630 --> 01:57:48,680 development and 2377 01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:54,630 we look at that in how the land use patterns and the the 2378 01:57:54,630 --> 01:57:56,680 blobs of yellow and 2379 01:57:56,680 --> 01:58:02,699 orange may be able to accommodate residential zoning in 2380 01:58:02,699 --> 01:58:05,159 this area. The 2381 01:58:05,159 --> 01:58:08,020 applicant has submitted a concept plan just as a graphic 2382 01:58:08,020 --> 01:58:09,220 illustration this has 2383 01:58:09,220 --> 01:58:13,159 not been vetted as if you have with any plant activity but 2384 01:58:13,159 --> 01:58:16,119 yet it shows NR4 2385 01:58:16,119 --> 01:58:20,439 zoning applying lots to NR4 zoning which represents a 2386 01:58:20,439 --> 01:58:22,520 medium density. The 2387 01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:27,229 concept plan speaks to a conservation development. 2388 01:58:27,229 --> 01:58:28,359 Conservation development is 2389 01:58:28,359 --> 01:58:33,760 a type of programming design within the DEN plan concept 2390 01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:35,560 comprehensive plan to 2391 01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:40,590 protect natural features and respond to a staged transition 2392 01:58:40,590 --> 01:58:42,079 of growth between 2393 01:58:42,079 --> 01:58:47,289 developed areas and rural areas. The applicant provided 2394 01:58:47,289 --> 01:58:48,800 this as the intent of 2395 01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,600 the development that they would be seeking with future 2396 01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:52,520 plats this is not 2397 01:58:52,520 --> 01:58:56,689 holding them to anything but they are introducing a concept 2398 01:58:56,689 --> 01:58:57,920 of conservation 2399 01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:02,739 development mainly to to work with natural site features 2400 01:59:02,739 --> 01:59:04,000 and to develop 2401 01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:08,470 according to those constraints. In the considerations 2402 01:59:08,470 --> 01:59:10,520 within your report I want 2403 01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:14,970 to point out the NR4 zoning is a more compared a more 2404 01:59:14,970 --> 01:59:16,199 appropriate district to 2405 01:59:16,199 --> 01:59:19,960 encourage low to moderate single-family units and to unify 2406 01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:20,680 the entire 2407 01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:25,130 property interests. The land use pattern in this area has 2408 01:59:25,130 --> 01:59:26,760 remained rural and has 2409 01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:32,699 not necessitated uses permitted by NRMU zoning and the 2410 01:59:32,699 --> 01:59:35,180 conservation development design is a good response to the 2411 01:59:35,180 --> 01:59:36,520 transitioning for 2412 01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:42,060 introducing single-family into this rural context area. For 2413 01:59:42,060 --> 01:59:43,439 you have in your 2414 01:59:43,439 --> 01:59:46,949 staff report you have evaluation criteria stated in sub 2415 01:59:46,949 --> 01:59:49,039 chapter 35 3 3 b 3 2416 01:59:49,039 --> 01:59:53,699 of the DEN development code which lists items a through g I 2417 01:59:53,699 --> 01:59:56,199 believe which speak 2418 01:59:56,199 --> 01:59:59,180 to items that do not actually conform to the future land 2419 01:59:59,180 --> 02:00:00,159 use map but may be 2420 02:00:00,159 --> 02:00:04,090 considered under analysis and that analysis from staff 2421 02:00:04,090 --> 02:00:05,319 shows that we've 2422 02:00:05,319 --> 02:00:08,260 looked at the land use pattern that the density of the 2423 02:00:08,260 --> 02:00:09,680 development to support 2424 02:00:09,680 --> 02:00:14,020 the extension of city services would be warranted and we 2425 02:00:14,020 --> 02:00:15,920 are not creating with 2426 02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:20,630 this rezoning any isolated districts. Additional criteria 2427 02:00:20,630 --> 02:00:22,840 for review is found 2428 02:00:22,840 --> 02:00:28,859 within DEN development code 35 3 4 b 2 which again speaks 2429 02:00:28,859 --> 02:00:30,279 to conformance to a 2430 02:00:30,279 --> 02:00:33,979 land use element and facilitates provision of city services 2431 02:00:33,979 --> 02:00:34,680 with future 2432 02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:39,970 development. We did do a public notice outreach and we 2433 02:00:39,970 --> 02:00:43,439 received one notice in 2434 02:00:43,439 --> 02:00:47,149 favor and that's included in your packet and shown on the 2435 02:00:47,149 --> 02:00:48,960 screen. Based on the 2436 02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:51,600 considerations presented and the requirements within the D 2437 02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:52,239 EN development 2438 02:00:52,239 --> 02:00:55,510 code staff recommends approval of this item and I may stand 2439 02:00:55,510 --> 02:00:56,319 for any questions 2440 02:00:56,319 --> 02:01:03,760 you have. Commissioner Roselle. Thank you for the 2441 02:01:03,760 --> 02:01:03,920 presentation. Thank you for the 2442 02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:07,039 presentation. I have a question about the future land use. 2443 02:01:07,039 --> 02:01:08,840 Can you help articulate 2444 02:01:08,840 --> 02:01:12,840 what the expectation of rural future land use is? 2445 02:01:12,840 --> 02:01:14,800 Specifically does it 2446 02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:18,880 necessarily include in our for zoning within the future 2447 02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:20,439 land use of rural? I 2448 02:01:20,439 --> 02:01:25,199 have to say no to that. There is no rural is designed for 2449 02:01:25,199 --> 02:01:27,600 large lots. We have 2450 02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:36,789 zoning categories in our RD5, RD, rural residential zoning 2451 02:01:36,789 --> 02:01:37,359 districts that 2452 02:01:37,359 --> 02:01:40,609 are more appropriate within that. The presentation 2453 02:01:40,609 --> 02:01:44,119 indicates this development 2454 02:01:44,119 --> 02:01:48,010 is under low to medium and more on the medium side but 2455 02:01:48,010 --> 02:01:49,479 based on how they are 2456 02:01:49,479 --> 02:01:52,829 applying the conservation and working with constraints of 2457 02:01:52,829 --> 02:01:54,119 the property we can 2458 02:01:54,119 --> 02:01:58,199 consider the densities they are approving but rural context 2459 02:01:58,199 --> 02:01:58,720 is to maintain 2460 02:01:58,720 --> 02:02:02,270 large lots under a rural character. So the expectation of 2461 02:02:02,270 --> 02:02:03,760 the DEN 2030 plan was 2462 02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:09,399 to have large lots in this property in this zoning? Correct 2463 02:02:09,399 --> 02:02:12,319 . Any additional 2464 02:02:12,319 --> 02:02:19,909 questions for staff? Thank you. This is a public hearing. 2465 02:02:19,909 --> 02:02:21,760 Anyone that would like to 2466 02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:27,109 come speak on this item please come forth this time. Mr. 2467 02:02:27,109 --> 02:02:28,439 Chairman and 2468 02:02:28,439 --> 02:02:31,949 Commissioners my name is Rod Zilke with ZPS Consulting 2469 02:02:31,949 --> 02:02:33,399 Engineers. I'm here 2470 02:02:33,399 --> 02:02:37,369 representing the project tonight if you have any questions. 2471 02:02:37,369 --> 02:02:38,439 Any questions? 2472 02:02:38,439 --> 02:02:43,029 Commissioner Bruegel we do have a question. Mr. Zilke. 2473 02:02:43,029 --> 02:02:49,039 Sorry. I'm not sure if you were in the 2474 02:02:49,039 --> 02:02:53,189 in the work session or not. I'm sorry. I'm proud to be to 2475 02:02:53,189 --> 02:02:54,079 my back. So I just 2476 02:02:54,079 --> 02:02:55,890 wonder if you could speak a bit more about this 2477 02:02:55,890 --> 02:02:57,119 conservation development 2478 02:02:57,119 --> 02:02:59,710 plan. It's the first time that we've seen it as a 2479 02:02:59,710 --> 02:03:01,079 commission in the eight 2480 02:03:01,079 --> 02:03:04,720 months since we've adopted the 2030 plan, the comprehensive 2481 02:03:04,720 --> 02:03:05,659 plan for the city in 2482 02:03:05,659 --> 02:03:09,670 which the conservation development is a vision that we have 2483 02:03:09,670 --> 02:03:10,800 for our city. Now 2484 02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:14,270 you're the first developer to bring this to us and I didn't 2485 02:03:14,270 --> 02:03:15,800 get to see your 2486 02:03:15,800 --> 02:03:18,359 your mock-up in our backup so it's really the first time I 2487 02:03:18,359 --> 02:03:19,119 'm seeing it but 2488 02:03:19,119 --> 02:03:22,720 it does excite me as a you know this is something that we 2489 02:03:22,720 --> 02:03:24,760 approved as a city and 2490 02:03:24,760 --> 02:03:27,590 it's good to see this. I just kind of want to hear about 2491 02:03:27,590 --> 02:03:28,359 what was your what 2492 02:03:28,359 --> 02:03:31,479 you're not required to do this conservation development and 2493 02:03:31,479 --> 02:03:31,939 yet you're 2494 02:03:31,939 --> 02:03:33,819 bringing it forward anyway. I just wonder if you could 2495 02:03:33,819 --> 02:03:34,600 speak to that a bit and 2496 02:03:34,600 --> 02:03:37,130 kind of what your experience was working with staff and why 2497 02:03:37,130 --> 02:03:37,960 does you'd like to 2498 02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:43,939 bring that piece to us now. Sure and keep in mind we're 2499 02:03:43,939 --> 02:03:45,680 very preliminary stages 2500 02:03:45,680 --> 02:03:49,029 this is just the zoning of the north portion and before we 2501 02:03:49,029 --> 02:03:50,119 get into too much 2502 02:03:50,119 --> 02:03:52,199 detail we want to be sure we have the whole piece of 2503 02:03:52,199 --> 02:03:53,359 property to work with of 2504 02:03:53,359 --> 02:03:58,460 course. The property obviously from the aerial photos has 2505 02:03:58,460 --> 02:03:59,840 some significant trees 2506 02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:03,649 and some natural features and some floodplain so it's 2507 02:04:03,649 --> 02:04:06,279 conducive to a 2508 02:04:06,279 --> 02:04:10,539 conservation type project and that in combination with the 2509 02:04:10,539 --> 02:04:11,960 tree ordinance and 2510 02:04:11,960 --> 02:04:16,779 the clustering of lots you know you can with the way ordin 2511 02:04:16,779 --> 02:04:18,479 ances are now the tree 2512 02:04:18,479 --> 02:04:22,079 ordinance and the conservation plan you can cluster smaller 2513 02:04:22,079 --> 02:04:22,920 lots and preserve 2514 02:04:22,920 --> 02:04:27,369 larger areas and this property just it's conducive to that 2515 02:04:27,369 --> 02:04:29,359 I mean we have a nice 2516 02:04:29,359 --> 02:04:34,109 contiguous tree area in the center of the property that has 2517 02:04:34,109 --> 02:04:34,600 some some you know 2518 02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:39,739 preservation type trees and that quite honestly we're kind 2519 02:04:39,739 --> 02:04:40,960 of doing that on a 2520 02:04:40,960 --> 02:04:44,729 couple of projects on you know a little further south and 2521 02:04:44,729 --> 02:04:46,800 the passive tree area 2522 02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:51,500 park seems to be popular right now with you know with home 2523 02:04:51,500 --> 02:04:53,199 buyers as opposed to 2524 02:04:53,199 --> 02:04:57,479 more active parks and you know lots of activity that less 2525 02:04:57,479 --> 02:04:58,279 less activity is 2526 02:04:58,279 --> 02:05:01,899 appealing I guess. I don't know if that answers your 2527 02:05:01,899 --> 02:05:02,800 question. No it's very helpful. 2528 02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:04,939 Yeah thank you. That's kind of where we're at on it. Yeah 2529 02:05:04,939 --> 02:05:07,800 that's good thank you. Hold on just a second. 2530 02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:12,250 Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair. I'm sorry your first 2531 02:05:12,250 --> 02:05:15,000 name was Rod. So this is 2532 02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:18,159 this 20 acre development is going to be for single-family 2533 02:05:18,159 --> 02:05:21,880 homes? It's 80 acres. 2534 02:05:21,880 --> 02:05:28,359 The 20 is part of a larger tract. Okay. So we're working on 2535 02:05:28,359 --> 02:05:29,880 the total 80 acres 2536 02:05:29,880 --> 02:05:33,119 but before we could get too far into that we had to 2537 02:05:33,119 --> 02:05:35,640 determine whether the NRMU 2538 02:05:35,640 --> 02:05:46,819 portion could be. We need to focus our attention just on 2539 02:05:46,819 --> 02:05:48,439 these two slides here 2540 02:05:48,439 --> 02:05:55,600 showing the red is the zoning that we were under and they 2541 02:05:55,600 --> 02:05:56,600 haven't designed any 2542 02:05:56,600 --> 02:06:01,880 plans for phases phase one of this yet but we they need to 2543 02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:02,880 look at it 2544 02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:08,539 collectively to make their plan. So but I guess my question 2545 02:06:08,539 --> 02:06:09,880 is the plan to build 2546 02:06:09,880 --> 02:06:16,489 single-family homes on the 88. The plan is to build single- 2547 02:06:16,489 --> 02:06:17,920 family homes on these 2548 02:06:17,920 --> 02:06:23,960 80 acres is that correct? Okay what percentage of these do 2549 02:06:23,960 --> 02:06:24,560 you plan on 2550 02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:28,210 building low-income housing for low-income families? Is 2551 02:06:28,210 --> 02:06:29,800 there a percentage? 2552 02:06:29,800 --> 02:06:43,119 Yes. Yes. Well right okay. 2553 02:06:44,119 --> 02:06:47,399 Okay affordable housing is what I'm talking about for low- 2554 02:06:47,399 --> 02:06:48,359 income families. 2555 02:06:48,359 --> 02:06:53,260 There's a percentage or should I direct this at staff? Is 2556 02:06:53,260 --> 02:06:54,720 this? I think maybe legal 2557 02:06:54,720 --> 02:07:00,119 would want to weigh in on this. Yeah well we can discuss it 2558 02:07:00,119 --> 02:07:02,359 off record as far as 2559 02:07:02,359 --> 02:07:08,199 those requirements are concerned. I'm sorry was there an 2560 02:07:08,199 --> 02:07:10,199 answer in there? I 2561 02:07:10,199 --> 02:07:14,800 didn't. No. We'll have to discuss it with you off record. 2562 02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:18,039 Okay gotcha. All right. Thank you Ron. 2563 02:07:18,039 --> 02:07:22,319 Any other questions for the applicant? 2564 02:07:23,079 --> 02:07:26,100 Seeing none again this is a public hearing is there anyone 2565 02:07:26,100 --> 02:07:26,880 else that would 2566 02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:32,960 like to come down and speak on this item? Please state your 2567 02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:34,439 name and address and 2568 02:07:34,439 --> 02:07:37,890 we'll need a yellow card. Good evening. I'm Jeff Hargrave 2569 02:07:37,890 --> 02:07:38,600 vice president of 2570 02:07:38,600 --> 02:07:42,510 pipeline operations for Atmos Energy and I just wanted to 2571 02:07:42,510 --> 02:07:43,720 bring the applicant to 2572 02:07:43,720 --> 02:07:46,890 the applicants attention that we do operate a high-pressure 2573 02:07:46,890 --> 02:07:47,680 natural gas 2574 02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:51,569 pipeline that traverses across this entire 80 acre track 2575 02:07:51,569 --> 02:07:53,479 about 2,000 feet and 2576 02:07:53,479 --> 02:07:58,100 that to the west of this development less than 150 feet 2577 02:07:58,100 --> 02:08:00,439 there'll be a gas well 2578 02:08:00,439 --> 02:08:04,930 there and a gas storage facility that's located 800 feet it 2579 02:08:04,930 --> 02:08:06,479 's the industrial 2580 02:08:06,479 --> 02:08:10,600 side colored there in blue we don't make opposition to the 2581 02:08:10,600 --> 02:08:11,600 project we just wanted 2582 02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:15,399 to be sure that staff the applicant are anxious to work we 2583 02:08:15,399 --> 02:08:15,880 see that you 2584 02:08:15,880 --> 02:08:18,710 preserved a green belt for that pipeline for high-pressure 2585 02:08:18,710 --> 02:08:19,760 pipelines it was a very 2586 02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:23,270 serious pipeline incident in Collin County today disrupted 2587 02:08:23,270 --> 02:08:24,520 activities and we 2588 02:08:24,520 --> 02:08:27,680 just want to be sure that staff is aware of that thank you 2589 02:08:27,680 --> 02:08:28,640 so much 2590 02:08:28,640 --> 02:08:31,720 excuse me sir just a second we have a question 2591 02:08:31,720 --> 02:08:35,430 Commissioner Taylor. Thank you Chair. So you mentioned that 2592 02:08:35,430 --> 02:08:36,600 you have a gas well 2593 02:08:36,600 --> 02:08:38,800 on that site could you describe the nature of that gas well 2594 02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:40,300 ? Yes it's a 2595 02:08:40,300 --> 02:08:43,920 natural gas storage well oh thank you can you can we point 2596 02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:44,760 here if I do this 2597 02:08:44,760 --> 02:08:49,310 kind of okay there is our there's our gas well right there 2598 02:08:49,310 --> 02:08:51,520 can you I'm trying 2599 02:08:51,520 --> 02:08:56,439 to move this guys I'm not real skilled at things. Hand-eye 2600 02:08:56,439 --> 02:08:57,960 coordination it's a 2601 02:08:57,960 --> 02:09:00,909 natural gas storage facility we've been in operation almost 2602 02:09:00,909 --> 02:09:02,399 50 years it serves 2603 02:09:02,399 --> 02:09:06,000 the critical energy needs in North Texas it's a depleted 2604 02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:07,520 reservoir there is no 2605 02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:11,119 while there is gas drilling out there there is no fracking 2606 02:09:11,119 --> 02:09:11,960 this reservoir 2607 02:09:11,960 --> 02:09:15,130 does not require fracking it's very porous as it is and 2608 02:09:15,130 --> 02:09:16,640 then if you'd like 2609 02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:20,329 to know where the pipeline is let's see if I can pull this 2610 02:09:20,329 --> 02:09:22,079 off one more time it 2611 02:09:22,079 --> 02:09:24,829 originates up in this station I think you can see the right 2612 02:09:24,829 --> 02:09:25,720 away is fairly 2613 02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:29,670 well clear as it traverses it crosses about 2,000 feet 2614 02:09:29,670 --> 02:09:32,119 across there and it's a 2615 02:09:32,119 --> 02:09:36,739 high-pressure large diameter 16-inch pipeline sure. How 2616 02:09:36,739 --> 02:09:38,159 deep is that? Commissioner 2617 02:09:38,159 --> 02:09:44,239 Dedowitz. How deep? It's typically about 36 to 48 inches 2618 02:09:44,239 --> 02:09:45,640 deep could be deeper in 2619 02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:48,319 some locations there if the elevation hasn't been changed. 2620 02:09:48,319 --> 02:09:50,079 So 2 to 4 feet? 2621 02:09:50,079 --> 02:09:56,640 Approximately yes. Commissioner Bruegel. Thank you chair 2622 02:09:56,640 --> 02:09:57,560 and thank you for 2623 02:09:57,560 --> 02:10:00,079 bringing that up I just wanted to be clear though from 2624 02:10:00,079 --> 02:10:01,399 staff and from legal 2625 02:10:01,399 --> 02:10:04,890 what we're looking at today is the simple rezoning request 2626 02:10:04,890 --> 02:10:05,760 and not we're 2627 02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:09,380 we're looking to approve or deny this rezoning request and 2628 02:10:09,380 --> 02:10:10,680 not necessarily any 2629 02:10:10,680 --> 02:10:14,289 specific development at this point so though that that mock 2630 02:10:14,289 --> 02:10:14,920 -up of the 2631 02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:18,520 conservation development is beautiful and appealing we're 2632 02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:19,640 not looking at that 2633 02:10:19,640 --> 02:10:22,630 as a commission we're looking at at the rezoning request am 2634 02:10:22,630 --> 02:10:23,600 I correct in that? 2635 02:10:23,600 --> 02:10:28,319 Right. Our charter is to evaluate I'm talking about the 2636 02:10:28,319 --> 02:10:29,880 planning department the 2637 02:10:29,880 --> 02:10:33,390 compatibility of an NR4 zoning district with the 2638 02:10:33,390 --> 02:10:35,159 surrounding property as it 2639 02:10:35,159 --> 02:10:38,239 relates to those 20 acres and the compatibility with. Thank 2640 02:10:38,239 --> 02:10:39,119 you. Not the land 2641 02:10:39,119 --> 02:10:42,279 use not the conceptual plan but just that zoning district 2642 02:10:42,279 --> 02:10:43,079 and the use is 2643 02:10:43,079 --> 02:10:45,720 permitted within that category. Thank you and so and this 2644 02:10:45,720 --> 02:10:46,439 is all very helpful 2645 02:10:46,439 --> 02:10:49,439 information that we will take into consideration I guess at 2646 02:10:49,439 --> 02:10:50,159 a future point. 2647 02:10:50,159 --> 02:10:57,310 I'll be back at planning. Thank you. Other questions? Thank 2648 02:10:57,310 --> 02:11:01,199 you. Thank you so much. Thank you sir. 2649 02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:04,100 Again this is a public hearing is there anyone else who 2650 02:11:04,100 --> 02:11:05,319 would like to speak on 2651 02:11:05,319 --> 02:11:07,760 this item? 2652 02:11:12,760 --> 02:11:16,500 Seeing none I will close the public hearing. Chair would 2653 02:11:16,500 --> 02:11:19,239 entertain a motion. 2654 02:11:19,239 --> 02:11:26,729 Commissioner Beck. Thank you chair I move we approve Z15-00 2655 02:11:26,729 --> 02:11:30,159 24. Commissioner 2656 02:11:30,159 --> 02:11:35,039 Dutton. I second the motion. First and a second. 2657 02:11:35,039 --> 02:11:38,359 Commissioner Rossell. Thank you 2658 02:11:38,359 --> 02:11:41,430 chair I just wanted to go on record and state that I think 2659 02:11:41,430 --> 02:11:42,359 the rezoning is 2660 02:11:42,359 --> 02:11:44,869 compatible with the surrounding areas however I am 2661 02:11:44,869 --> 02:11:46,359 concerned about the future 2662 02:11:46,359 --> 02:11:50,699 future land use if if there was a an approved plan that 2663 02:11:50,699 --> 02:11:51,760 going forward that 2664 02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:56,210 is to be rural then we need to take seriously what that was 2665 02:11:56,210 --> 02:11:56,960 supposed to be 2666 02:11:56,960 --> 02:11:59,920 for and what the expectation of that land actually is. 2667 02:11:59,920 --> 02:12:01,399 Again the zoning issue I 2668 02:12:01,399 --> 02:12:05,279 think to align with the other properties is an alignment 2669 02:12:05,279 --> 02:12:07,479 however I just have some 2670 02:12:07,479 --> 02:12:10,949 concerns about going against the specific future land use 2671 02:12:10,949 --> 02:12:11,720 that's been 2672 02:12:11,720 --> 02:12:17,319 approved by the city so I just want to go on record. You 2673 02:12:17,319 --> 02:12:19,199 can have a first and a 2674 02:12:19,199 --> 02:12:23,609 second is there any additional discussion or comment on 2675 02:12:23,609 --> 02:12:24,039 this? 2676 02:12:27,960 --> 02:12:34,220 Seeing none on the board I will call for a vote on the 2677 02:12:34,220 --> 02:12:39,880 board please. The motion 2678 02:12:39,880 --> 02:12:47,479 carries 7-0. That moves us to our final item on the agenda 2679 02:12:47,479 --> 02:12:50,000 tonight concluding 2680 02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:59,119 items. Commissioner Bribble. Actually I'm okay thank you. 2681 02:12:59,119 --> 02:13:02,279 So going back to our 2682 02:13:02,279 --> 02:13:04,899 previous conversation during the work session I'm very 2683 02:13:04,899 --> 02:13:06,560 excited to see the 2684 02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:11,159 potential for conservation developments coming to our 2685 02:13:11,159 --> 02:13:14,119 community. It's not part of 2686 02:13:14,119 --> 02:13:17,079 the Denton Development Code yet and I understand that is a 2687 02:13:17,079 --> 02:13:18,279 huge undertaking so 2688 02:13:18,279 --> 02:13:21,720 I'm certainly not expecting this to come to us next week 2689 02:13:21,720 --> 02:13:22,720 but I was just wondering 2690 02:13:22,720 --> 02:13:25,779 if I if we could even just get a preliminary kind of 2691 02:13:25,779 --> 02:13:27,199 overview about where 2692 02:13:27,199 --> 02:13:30,710 where we're headed with that so that we can see 2693 02:13:30,710 --> 02:13:33,039 developments like this come to 2694 02:13:33,039 --> 02:13:36,649 us a little more frequently. So thank you. Okay. 2695 02:13:36,649 --> 02:13:40,000 Commissioner Taylor. Thank You Chair. 2696 02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:45,100 I just wanted to reiterate the need for us to create a sub 2697 02:13:45,100 --> 02:13:46,920 committee to look at 2698 02:13:46,920 --> 02:13:50,890 the entire business innovation district and specifically 2699 02:13:50,890 --> 02:13:52,439 the Mesa Drive area. I 2700 02:13:52,439 --> 02:13:54,869 mentioned this last meeting and I'd like to get that on our 2701 02:13:54,869 --> 02:13:56,159 next agenda just if 2702 02:13:56,159 --> 02:13:58,680 we can just form the subcommittee then we can move forward 2703 02:13:58,680 --> 02:13:59,840 at a later date but 2704 02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:01,449 I think we really need to get the ball rolling. We have a 2705 02:14:01,449 --> 02:14:02,279 lot of stuff happening 2706 02:14:02,279 --> 02:14:07,970 in the northwest quadrant of the city. Okay. Commissioner 2707 02:14:07,970 --> 02:14:11,279 Detovits. Yes going 2708 02:14:11,279 --> 02:14:16,100 forward with my question and work session to staff and 2709 02:14:16,100 --> 02:14:17,680 appropriate answers. 2710 02:14:17,680 --> 02:14:24,710 In previous approvals we have made additions in the sense 2711 02:14:24,710 --> 02:14:25,680 of we approve 2712 02:14:25,680 --> 02:14:30,090 with conditions bike racks or certain signs of certain 2713 02:14:30,090 --> 02:14:33,239 sizes whatever. What 2714 02:14:33,239 --> 02:14:36,840 does city staff do to make sure that those things do get 2715 02:14:36,840 --> 02:14:38,640 done? Because I'm in 2716 02:14:38,640 --> 02:14:42,680 particular looking at the special sign district that we put 2717 02:14:42,680 --> 02:14:43,800 in place for the 2718 02:14:43,800 --> 02:14:46,920 mall and I'm seeing that certain things are happening but 2719 02:14:46,920 --> 02:14:48,199 certain things are not 2720 02:14:48,199 --> 02:14:51,420 happening and is that concluded or at what point in time do 2721 02:14:51,420 --> 02:14:52,319 we say hey you 2722 02:14:52,319 --> 02:14:57,250 have not complied with with our recommendations. There are 2723 02:14:57,250 --> 02:14:58,039 a myriad of 2724 02:14:58,039 --> 02:15:01,039 steps associated with let's talk about the I believe you're 2725 02:15:01,039 --> 02:15:01,840 talking about 2726 02:15:01,840 --> 02:15:07,039 Golden Triangle Mall the overlay district right. Once they 2727 02:15:07,039 --> 02:15:07,640 submit for a 2728 02:15:07,640 --> 02:15:10,760 permit that has to be cross-referenced with the conditions 2729 02:15:10,760 --> 02:15:11,800 associated with that 2730 02:15:11,800 --> 02:15:14,960 overlay district. Assuming everything is fine then their 2731 02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:15,760 permits are issued to 2732 02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:19,800 them and signs are installed and inspected so the different 2733 02:15:19,800 --> 02:15:20,279 departments 2734 02:15:20,279 --> 02:15:23,439 and the different teams that evaluate that. If something 2735 02:15:23,439 --> 02:15:25,000 has been missed or you 2736 02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:27,970 notice that there's lack of progress in some way and you've 2737 02:15:27,970 --> 02:15:29,119 highlighted that to 2738 02:15:29,119 --> 02:15:32,720 me I will follow up. With respect to let's take specific 2739 02:15:32,720 --> 02:15:33,859 use permits as an 2740 02:15:33,859 --> 02:15:37,369 example those are site plans with those site plans they our 2741 02:15:37,369 --> 02:15:38,300 Commission has the 2742 02:15:38,300 --> 02:15:41,810 ability to attach additional conditions to that. Those 2743 02:15:41,810 --> 02:15:43,880 conditions become part of 2744 02:15:43,880 --> 02:15:46,560 an ordinance as does the overlay district for signs special 2745 02:15:46,560 --> 02:15:47,199 sign district. 2746 02:15:47,199 --> 02:15:49,880 That ordinance is then attached to any permits that come 2747 02:15:49,880 --> 02:15:50,840 through or that are 2748 02:15:50,840 --> 02:15:53,319 submitted for that specific development and then they're 2749 02:15:53,319 --> 02:15:54,399 cross-referenced from 2750 02:15:54,399 --> 02:15:57,090 the planning team from the plans examiner building 2751 02:15:57,090 --> 02:15:58,279 inspection team from 2752 02:15:58,279 --> 02:16:01,399 our urban forest or in our landscape administrator as well. 2753 02:16:01,399 --> 02:16:03,199 So everybody plays 2754 02:16:03,199 --> 02:16:06,710 a role in evaluation of the program or the project. That 2755 02:16:06,710 --> 02:16:08,520 timeline for that final 2756 02:16:08,520 --> 02:16:14,739 write-off could be? Well typically we're talking about the 2757 02:16:14,739 --> 02:16:15,319 first review is 2758 02:16:15,319 --> 02:16:18,689 typically a 10-day time frame assuming that the application 2759 02:16:18,689 --> 02:16:19,640 is in order as 2760 02:16:19,640 --> 02:16:23,430 submitted and that all this all the pertinent documentation 2761 02:16:23,430 --> 02:16:24,000 has been 2762 02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:27,119 provided from your civil sets to your architectural site 2763 02:16:27,119 --> 02:16:28,239 plan landscape plan 2764 02:16:28,239 --> 02:16:32,590 all those your MEP plans for example because you're 2765 02:16:32,590 --> 02:16:35,280 submitting for permit. 2766 02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:38,670 More than likely I would suspect some sometimes there is a 2767 02:16:38,670 --> 02:16:39,719 second review but 2768 02:16:39,719 --> 02:16:43,719 we are talking every review cycle at least 10 days. We take 2769 02:16:43,719 --> 02:16:44,959 no longer than 10 2770 02:16:44,959 --> 02:16:51,370 days to review. Commissioner Hatchbuth. Thank you chair. I 2771 02:16:51,370 --> 02:16:53,360 'm not sure I need help 2772 02:16:53,360 --> 02:16:58,959 with directions. So I'd like for especially with the trees 2773 02:16:58,959 --> 02:17:00,000 I'd like to try 2774 02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:03,250 to quantify that in the information we get given a 2775 02:17:03,250 --> 02:17:05,799 percentage. So let's say a 2776 02:17:05,799 --> 02:17:09,989 heavily treed lot is going to lose X percent of its trees 2777 02:17:09,989 --> 02:17:11,159 that sort of thing 2778 02:17:11,159 --> 02:17:14,819 so that I can kind of get my head around what we're doing 2779 02:17:14,819 --> 02:17:17,120 and kind of the it just 2780 02:17:17,120 --> 02:17:20,270 helps me process so I don't know where that falls in in the 2781 02:17:20,270 --> 02:17:21,319 process and then 2782 02:17:21,319 --> 02:17:25,190 secondly so that's one thing. Okay. Is it okay? Now you're 2783 02:17:25,190 --> 02:17:25,959 gonna have to remind me 2784 02:17:25,959 --> 02:17:28,889 of the second question later. We'll do and so the other 2785 02:17:28,889 --> 02:17:30,159 thing is I'd like to get 2786 02:17:30,159 --> 02:17:34,190 information earlier in the process we talked in work 2787 02:17:34,190 --> 02:17:36,239 session about things that 2788 02:17:36,239 --> 02:17:40,770 come to planning I'd like to try to get a general list 2789 02:17:40,770 --> 02:17:42,440 Excel anything just a 2790 02:17:42,440 --> 02:17:46,850 simple this is what's coming in the pipeline almost like a 2791 02:17:46,850 --> 02:17:48,280 activity report of 2792 02:17:48,280 --> 02:17:50,790 some sort and I don't know if that's doable but that's just 2793 02:17:50,790 --> 02:17:52,120 a wish list. Okay. 2794 02:17:52,120 --> 02:17:56,360 I'll ask Manal to try to address your first question. The 2795 02:17:56,360 --> 02:17:57,600 first question as it 2796 02:17:57,600 --> 02:18:02,799 relates to a straight zoning request so a change in zoning 2797 02:18:02,799 --> 02:18:04,239 from X district to Y 2798 02:18:04,239 --> 02:18:08,690 district merely addresses the land use the proposed the 2799 02:18:08,690 --> 02:18:09,840 compatibility with and 2800 02:18:09,840 --> 02:18:12,989 that's the land use analysis. So it's difficult to quantify 2801 02:18:12,989 --> 02:18:13,780 because a tree 2802 02:18:13,780 --> 02:18:18,489 mitigation survey plan has not been provided a tree survey 2803 02:18:18,489 --> 02:18:19,520 has not been 2804 02:18:19,520 --> 02:18:22,639 provided because until the applicant is not to the point 2805 02:18:22,639 --> 02:18:23,520 where they're ready to 2806 02:18:23,520 --> 02:18:25,969 commit and know that they're going to get their zoning that 2807 02:18:25,969 --> 02:18:26,760 information is not 2808 02:18:26,760 --> 02:18:29,579 readily available sometimes it might be in the instance 2809 02:18:29,579 --> 02:18:30,579 where it is we would 2810 02:18:30,579 --> 02:18:35,520 provide that to you if a lot is heavily treed as we've 2811 02:18:35,520 --> 02:18:36,879 mentioned today we work 2812 02:18:36,879 --> 02:18:40,180 with the applicant to see what we can do but the numbers 2813 02:18:40,180 --> 02:18:41,440 cannot be provided 2814 02:18:41,440 --> 02:18:44,909 until let's say there's a detailed plan approval it was a 2815 02:18:44,909 --> 02:18:46,159 specific use permit 2816 02:18:46,159 --> 02:18:49,680 associated with that so in most instances if something goes 2817 02:18:49,680 --> 02:18:50,079 straight to 2818 02:18:50,079 --> 02:18:52,719 building permit that you don't even see then that you 2819 02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:54,120 wouldn't be privy to those 2820 02:18:54,120 --> 02:18:56,799 numbers just because of the way the process is not just in 2821 02:18:56,799 --> 02:18:57,760 Denton but that's 2822 02:18:57,760 --> 02:19:02,690 the typical development process. Second question what is in 2823 02:19:02,690 --> 02:19:04,159 the pipeline and how 2824 02:19:04,159 --> 02:19:07,899 can you be privy to it? There are some functions that go to 2825 02:19:07,899 --> 02:19:08,520 the planning 2826 02:19:08,520 --> 02:19:10,690 department there are some functions that go to the building 2827 02:19:10,690 --> 02:19:11,200 inspection 2828 02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:14,170 department and they all have a development function to it 2829 02:19:14,170 --> 02:19:14,479 so if 2830 02:19:14,479 --> 02:19:17,040 something is permitted by right it goes straight in for 2831 02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:19,159 building permit. I can 2832 02:19:19,159 --> 02:19:22,000 meet with our building official and I can meet with the 2833 02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:23,159 planning team to see 2834 02:19:23,159 --> 02:19:25,639 if there's something we can work out where there's a link 2835 02:19:25,639 --> 02:19:26,479 of some sort that 2836 02:19:26,479 --> 02:19:29,120 you can access off the website to know what is happening 2837 02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:29,639 because my 2838 02:19:29,639 --> 02:19:32,479 understanding is you want to know what's happening okay I 2839 02:19:32,479 --> 02:19:33,799 'll try and get you some 2840 02:19:33,799 --> 02:19:36,040 information pertaining to that and I you know we can give 2841 02:19:36,040 --> 02:19:36,719 it to the whole 2842 02:19:36,719 --> 02:19:43,850 Commission at the next meeting if I have it. Was there a 2843 02:19:43,850 --> 02:19:44,799 third question? No? Okay. 2844 02:19:44,799 --> 02:19:49,030 I don't see anybody else so I'm gonna step in with mine. We 2845 02:19:49,030 --> 02:19:50,040 had a lot of 2846 02:19:50,040 --> 02:19:54,450 discussion this evening in work session and we've had it in 2847 02:19:54,450 --> 02:19:55,559 some prior work 2848 02:19:55,559 --> 02:20:00,659 sessions about traffic, street improvements and I think it 2849 02:20:00,659 --> 02:20:01,479 would be a 2850 02:20:01,479 --> 02:20:05,450 good idea for us to get on our future agenda hopefully 2851 02:20:05,450 --> 02:20:06,920 maybe our next work 2852 02:20:06,920 --> 02:20:09,819 session because we are spending a lot of time on this to 2853 02:20:09,819 --> 02:20:10,959 get an update and get 2854 02:20:10,959 --> 02:20:15,840 some definitions from staff about perimeter street paving 2855 02:20:15,840 --> 02:20:17,159 so that we can 2856 02:20:17,159 --> 02:20:20,829 all understand what a developer's responsibility is how 2857 02:20:20,829 --> 02:20:22,479 that process works 2858 02:20:22,479 --> 02:20:25,479 whether it's the city of Denton Road or a Tech Stock Road 2859 02:20:25,479 --> 02:20:27,120 and what things we can 2860 02:20:27,120 --> 02:20:31,260 ask developers to do or not do and I think it would help 2861 02:20:31,260 --> 02:20:32,159 all of us in 2862 02:20:32,159 --> 02:20:34,709 looking at all these projects because traffic is a big 2863 02:20:34,709 --> 02:20:36,159 concern and there are 2864 02:20:36,159 --> 02:20:39,840 limited things that developers are responsible for and I 2865 02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:41,000 think it'd help us 2866 02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:44,600 all so I'd like to see that as soon as we can get that 2867 02:20:44,600 --> 02:20:47,159 before us. 2868 02:20:47,159 --> 02:20:53,000 Commissioner Dudowitz. Commissioner we started this 2869 02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:54,520 discussion a year ago and 2870 02:20:54,520 --> 02:20:58,680 we asked staff specifically do we have someone that's 2871 02:20:58,680 --> 02:21:01,079 liaison with DOT so that 2872 02:21:01,079 --> 02:21:05,530 we can get answers about the impact to our streets and to 2873 02:21:05,530 --> 02:21:06,920 our area of their 2874 02:21:06,920 --> 02:21:10,389 projects and as we have with Teasley that's a DOT and we're 2875 02:21:10,389 --> 02:21:11,120 asked what's you 2876 02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:14,049 know we have some sort of idea but I'm also understanding 2877 02:21:14,049 --> 02:21:15,120 that they have more 2878 02:21:15,120 --> 02:21:18,809 specific plans and ideas that we may be privy to a liaison 2879 02:21:18,809 --> 02:21:20,479 from staff to DOT 2880 02:21:20,479 --> 02:21:24,120 they could present to us and or have someone from DOT come 2881 02:21:24,120 --> 02:21:25,159 and speak to us 2882 02:21:25,159 --> 02:21:27,799 with regard to what their plans are and then we can hear 2883 02:21:27,799 --> 02:21:28,959 from the horse's mouth 2884 02:21:28,959 --> 02:21:40,649 so to speak. Thank you. Anybody else? Sure. I have a 2885 02:21:40,649 --> 02:21:41,479 clarification question 2886 02:21:41,479 --> 02:21:45,680 Commissioner Taylor would you like us then or is it the 2887 02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:46,079 wish of the 2888 02:21:46,079 --> 02:21:50,110 Commission to have an item on the next agenda to create a 2889 02:21:50,110 --> 02:21:52,159 subcommittee to 2890 02:21:52,159 --> 02:21:57,520 assess those? Got it. Okay thank you. 2891 02:22:00,840 --> 02:22:03,590 Last thing I'll throw out is I want to thank staff for the 2892 02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:06,200 update on the matrix 2893 02:22:06,200 --> 02:22:10,399 this is something I think has come before us in the last 2894 02:22:10,399 --> 02:22:11,799 number of months 2895 02:22:11,799 --> 02:22:14,940 and I think it's been a great help it's been a kind of an 2896 02:22:14,940 --> 02:22:16,200 ongoing issue as I've 2897 02:22:16,200 --> 02:22:20,590 turned on the Commission of questions coming back of things 2898 02:22:20,590 --> 02:22:21,479 that have been 2899 02:22:21,479 --> 02:22:25,879 asked and maybe not been able to be gotten to yet and I 2900 02:22:25,879 --> 02:22:27,040 think this is a great 2901 02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:30,729 way for all of us to keep track of the items that we've 2902 02:22:30,729 --> 02:22:32,440 asked questions about 2903 02:22:32,440 --> 02:22:36,600 and time frames and I just appreciate staff continuing to 2904 02:22:36,600 --> 02:22:37,120 keep this updated 2905 02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:42,840 and bringing this to us at a very frequent basis so good 2906 02:22:42,840 --> 02:22:45,040 job and thank you. 2907 02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:51,680 No other speakers from the Commission and then at 7 45 I'm 2908 02:22:51,680 --> 02:22:53,479 going to close this 2909 02:22:53,479 --> 02:22:58,360 evening's PNZ meeting. Thank you.