WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.309 So we'll convene our regular session starting at 1102 and 00:00:05.309 --> 00:00:06.320 first entertain a 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.560 motion to approve the minutes of the meeting of July 18th. 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:12.560 So moved. 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:16.559 All in favor please raise your right hand. 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:21.699 Okay the minutes are approved. I'm going to go out of order 00:00:21.699 --> 00:00:23.519 in deference to our 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:29.629 guests scheduling requirements. We have item E staff report 00:00:29.629 --> 00:00:31.399 number two DCTA 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:34.340 leadership change and someone who's intimately involved 00:00:34.340 --> 00:00:35.119 with that leadership 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:40.479 change is here to join us. Do you want to make an 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:41.600 introduction Mark? 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:46.920 Yes thank you Mr. Chair. It's my pleasure to introduce 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:48.320 Raymond Suarez. Raymond 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:52.670 Suarez has been with DCTA for a number of years and and I 00:00:52.670 --> 00:00:54.640 understand or we 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:58.070 understand later later this week he'll be officially 00:00:58.070 --> 00:00:59.320 appointed as the as the new 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:02.700 president of DCTA replacing Jim Klein. So without any 00:01:02.700 --> 00:01:04.560 further ado Raymond Suarez 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:11.760 DCTA. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you very much and I'm 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:12.920 actually very very pleased 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:18.420 to be here and excited to be representing DCTA. I became 00:01:18.420 --> 00:01:19.599 aware of this 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:22.299 this meeting just yesterday so I've tried to work some 00:01:22.299 --> 00:01:23.239 things around and 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:25.400 make sure that I could be here because it's very important. 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:26.840 Not only to me I've 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:32.439 been a long citizen of this region. I grew up in Fort Worth 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:33.439 . I've spent most of 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:37.500 my my career in Fort Worth and Dallas. Not to get too long 00:01:37.500 --> 00:01:39.319 in the tooth about my 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:42.219 career but since this is my first opportunity to speak to 00:01:42.219 --> 00:01:43.040 you I wanted to 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:45.049 give you a little bit of my background so that you 00:01:45.049 --> 00:01:46.640 understand that I'm while 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.719 I've been with DCTA for four years I've actually been in 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:51.159 the region for over 30 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:54.930 years. I've worked for Dallas area rapid transit helped 00:01:54.930 --> 00:01:55.799 build out the light rail 00:01:55.799 --> 00:02:00.939 system. Worked at General Dynamics and aerospace. I've been 00:02:00.939 --> 00:02:01.959 involved in physics 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:05.859 research. Spent about a decade in Silicon Valley working 00:02:05.859 --> 00:02:07.040 with some of the largest 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:09.460 companies in the world and because of that I traveled all 00:02:09.460 --> 00:02:10.319 over the world and 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:13.199 experienced a lot of different transportation systems. So I 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:13.680 'm not a 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:17.550 novice when it comes to transit and I'd like to consider 00:02:17.550 --> 00:02:19.719 myself fairly innovative 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:22.680 and have a lot of expertise when it comes to transit 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:24.360 options. I'm proud to 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:28.710 lead DCTA. We're quickly gaining a reputation for being one 00:02:28.710 --> 00:02:29.280 of the most 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:32.750 innovative transit authorities in the region. We're being 00:02:32.750 --> 00:02:34.080 recognized in 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:37.280 Washington DC and a lot of that has to do with it with the 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:38.360 team that we have 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:42.710 and and frankly we're embracing innovation and embracing 00:02:42.710 --> 00:02:43.680 technology. One 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:46.879 of the good things about serving this area both Denton and 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:48.280 Collin County is 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:50.520 that we don't have a lot of legacy infrastructure that we 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:51.159 have to deal with 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:55.060 and so as we start looking at new technology next 00:02:55.060 --> 00:02:56.919 generations of transit 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:02.340 users that are demanding real-time on-demand solutions and 00:03:02.340 --> 00:03:03.159 so we're 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:06.919 embracing that. We're looking at innovation from everything 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:08.039 from different 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:11.310 types of transit options to how we do procurements and I'm 00:03:11.310 --> 00:03:12.400 really excited to 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:15.479 work very closely with our member cities and other 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:17.400 stakeholders around the region 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:23.919 as we build a network of transportation. I don't typically 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:25.120 make promises but what 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:29.469 I will promise you is that I'm gonna be much more engaged 00:03:29.469 --> 00:03:31.080 and working with city 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:37.930 staff, the mayor, this organization and the other member 00:03:37.930 --> 00:03:39.360 cities to look at better 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:43.800 ways to serve you. I'm very clear not only in my direction 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:44.759 but the direction of our 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:48.729 staff which is we're here to be a mobility partner and when 00:03:48.729 --> 00:03:50.159 it comes to 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:54.159 bringing in sales tax and delivering services we're here to 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:55.120 serve the cities 00:03:55.120 --> 00:04:00.590 and that's my plan it's very simple and my plan is to 00:04:00.590 --> 00:04:02.479 engage with you and to 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.000 do the very best job that we can moving forward so expect 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:06.159 to see a lot more of 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:09.919 me in the future. I don't have a big report today but I'm 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:10.759 more than willing to 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:15.110 take questions at this time. Thank you so much for joining 00:04:15.110 --> 00:04:16.519 us. Any questions for 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:20.870 Mr. Suarez? I look forward to seeing how you're gonna bring 00:04:20.870 --> 00:04:21.959 that aerospace part 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:25.519 of your background to Denton County Transportation. That 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:25.600 should be very exciting. All right 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:32.389 thank you so much appreciate this opportunity. Terrific so 00:04:32.389 --> 00:04:34.000 let's move on to 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:37.290 item B identify discuss meeting times dates and provide 00:04:37.290 --> 00:04:38.600 direction for future 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:41.129 mobility committee meeting dates and times. Perfect 00:04:41.129 --> 00:04:42.240 committee business talk 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:47.540 about some other time we're gonna meet. Do we like this 00:04:47.540 --> 00:04:49.199 time of the month? 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:52.199 This time? 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:58.509 Yeah Tuesday before council meetings work very well for me 00:04:58.509 --> 00:04:59.800 as long as we're not 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:02.680 conflicting with another committee and I think we kind of 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:03.720 have a layout of when 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:07.529 the other committees do meets. The only the only issue with 00:05:07.529 --> 00:05:09.839 that is you know if 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:14.259 from time to time you have a fairly populated council 00:05:14.259 --> 00:05:16.439 agenda and how things 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:19.540 may get shifted around that was one of the reasons why we 00:05:19.540 --> 00:05:20.519 moved off of the 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:24.870 Tuesday day but you know this works well for staff as well 00:05:24.870 --> 00:05:27.199 and we can we can move 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:32.720 forward with this particular date excuse me this particular 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:34.959 day and just keep an 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:38.779 eye on the ball in terms of what those start times are with 00:05:38.779 --> 00:05:39.959 council so again I 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:43.980 think councilmember Briggs was right to question staff 00:05:43.980 --> 00:05:45.519 today about the time what 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:47.879 time we needed to move out of here so we need to be out of 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:50.000 here at 1230 so they 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:58.399 can set up for committee of the whole. I just wanted to add 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:00.240 that on that on the 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:03.230 times if council does start earlier I'm flexible in my 00:06:03.230 --> 00:06:05.040 ability to be here but 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:09.519 way before 11 if we need to start 9 10 just depending on 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:10.959 council schedule and 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:14.360 mobility agenda. How about you mayor Portem? Are you 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:15.199 flexible to come earlier? 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.639 And I am as well. And typically with the agenda committee 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:20.680 meeting on Wednesday 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:24.410 the prior to we should have a good feel as to what what 00:06:24.410 --> 00:06:26.079 that start time is for 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:28.860 council and we can kind of back that up a little bit if 00:06:28.860 --> 00:06:30.120 that meets everyone's 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:36.110 schedule at that point in time. Okay so I'm gonna close 00:06:36.110 --> 00:06:38.199 item B then so we'll go 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:42.189 for a month basically a month from now Tuesday. Second 00:06:42.189 --> 00:06:43.759 Tuesday's. Second 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:46.759 Tuesday January 11 o'clock is the direction I'm receiving. 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:47.319 Yeah and earlier 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:52.899 if need be to accommodate a fuller council session with an 00:06:52.899 --> 00:06:53.600 earlier meeting 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:57.949 time. So let's move on to item C and use our our full hour 00:06:57.949 --> 00:07:00.079 and a half well. Receive 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.730 a report hold a discussion and provide direction regarding 00:07:02.730 --> 00:07:03.600 Texas Department of 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.470 Transportation on system projects in the Denton area to 00:07:06.470 --> 00:07:07.920 include the 35 Express 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:13.250 project. Mr. Chair we've got John Pulser here with a walk 00:07:13.250 --> 00:07:14.959 us through the backup 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:19.050 material I think may spend a little bit more time on the OH 00:07:19.050 --> 00:07:20.720 L 35E project as 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:24.290 well as the 377 but try to move through those as quickly as 00:07:24.290 --> 00:07:24.959 possible. 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.480 Welcome. 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:51.569 Everybody Mark says it's right here. Okay so we'll start 00:07:51.569 --> 00:07:55.040 with 2181 North 00:07:55.040 --> 00:08:00.180 project this is a project that MCM is constructing from 00:08:00.180 --> 00:08:02.600 basically just east of 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:08.439 2499 up through to Lillian Miller. The next page is the 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:10.040 text that report 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:13.800 essentially they're doing a right I apologize I'm a little 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:14.680 under the weather 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:21.470 so my voice. Thanks for soldiering through anyway. They're 00:08:21.470 --> 00:08:22.360 doing a lot of the 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:25.300 great work as you see out there they're doing a lot of the 00:08:25.300 --> 00:08:27.120 intersection detours 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:32.259 for the for the ultimate roadway improvements we're doing 00:08:32.259 --> 00:08:32.639 several 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:37.779 signals which includes the signal at Geyer that we have 00:08:37.779 --> 00:08:39.340 opened about two 00:08:39.340 --> 00:08:43.769 weeks ago. We're working on the next phasing of the project 00:08:43.769 --> 00:08:44.759 because right now 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:49.399 in the original plans that signal would go down to one lane 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:50.639 in each direction as 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.580 opposed to having turning movements to accommodate school 00:08:53.580 --> 00:08:54.480 traffic so we're 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:58.350 working through that the project's currently still on track 00:08:58.350 --> 00:09:00.440 for February 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:05.570 2020 plus or minus about 32 days they were arguing about on 00:09:05.570 --> 00:09:07.759 the time and so 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:12.110 far so well on what what's going on with that project. I 00:09:12.110 --> 00:09:13.320 don't know if you have any 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.080 specific questions but we meet every as a matter of fact we 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:17.480 're meeting tomorrow 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:23.320 with your staff, TechStat, Dallas district staff and the 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:25.039 area office to go over 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:27.240 several projects to make sure we're staying on track and 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:27.799 this is one of 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:33.799 those projects. In Fort Worth Drive you all just passed 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:36.120 your local advanced 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:42.399 funding agreement with TechStat that project has been 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:45.440 awarded to I think it 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:50.740 was a seam of construction and we were able to the your 00:09:50.740 --> 00:09:52.080 cost for your 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:55.649 engineering were about three million dollars more than what 00:09:55.649 --> 00:09:56.120 you had 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:59.620 anticipated them to be and we were able to get the Council 00:09:59.620 --> 00:10:00.799 of Governments to 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:03.429 agree to cover that additional three million dollars in 00:10:03.429 --> 00:10:04.279 costs so that the 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:08.629 city would not be out of the out-of-pocket that money. Your 00:10:08.629 --> 00:10:09.039 agreement 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:11.740 has a two-step process where when you all executed the 00:10:11.740 --> 00:10:13.039 agreement you sent or 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.159 will be sending the amount that you thought the utilities 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:17.080 should cost and 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:21.799 then when COG gets you the remaining dollar amounts to you 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:22.799 they'll wire it to 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:26.929 you then you'll turn around and transfer it to to TechStat 00:10:26.929 --> 00:10:28.320 to cover all of the 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:32.129 cost of their utility improvements. Excuse me just I just 00:10:32.129 --> 00:10:33.720 noticed now that 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:37.100 it's not sort of a set part of your very good format to 00:10:37.100 --> 00:10:38.360 have estimated 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:41.240 completion date. Well so we do put those in. I see you have 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:42.559 the time. Yeah what we do is 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:47.279 we add that once we have the contractor on board we have a 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:48.120 pre-construction 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:51.669 meeting and they give us what their schedule is and what 00:10:51.669 --> 00:10:53.240 their contractual 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:57.809 completion date is and then we add that to it so it's once 00:10:57.809 --> 00:10:58.960 it's awarded then 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:00.899 there's a couple of months after that before we actually 00:11:00.899 --> 00:11:01.580 know what they're 00:11:01.580 --> 00:11:04.320 proposing to do from a schedule and TechStat's got to 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:05.720 accept that schedule and 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:10.279 so we'll actually show you two dates sometimes one is a 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:11.480 contractual 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:14.750 completion date which on these reports on the previous page 00:11:14.750 --> 00:11:16.039 that date right 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:23.149 there February 17 or 2020 that's the contractual date until 00:11:23.149 --> 00:11:23.720 it's not and 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:26.789 then we change it to whatever it's going to be but that's 00:11:26.789 --> 00:11:27.919 towards the end of the 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:31.879 project so yeah it just it morphs through the schedule 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:32.480 morphs through as 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:38.159 they mature in their development. So forward drive the 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:39.799 process we were doing 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.379 is we've already started working with your public 00:11:43.379 --> 00:11:45.159 information office and 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:50.840 TechStat to have a public outreach meeting on this project 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:51.360 because if you'll 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:55.730 note if you can see up close you'll notice this is three 00:11:55.730 --> 00:11:57.240 phases of a project 00:11:57.240 --> 00:12:03.879 in order is a bridge over the railroad a driveway project 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:04.679 with a little bit of 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:08.259 roadway included in the middle so we have a lot of bridge a 00:12:08.259 --> 00:12:08.879 roadway 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.690 improvements that we're doing that are impacting existing 00:12:11.690 --> 00:12:12.639 drives that are not 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:16.990 driveways they're just open space right so we're narrowing 00:12:16.990 --> 00:12:18.240 them down to their 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:21.750 design standards and so we want to go out to the public and 00:12:21.750 --> 00:12:23.039 let them know hey 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:25.679 what we're doing we're fixing to start once we have that 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:26.519 schedule then we'll go 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:29.360 meet with the residents around this area to let them know 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:30.320 you know the phasing 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:33.210 the timing the construction delays and where they can get 00:12:33.210 --> 00:12:34.320 information on this 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:37.590 project because there's not really there's not very many 00:12:37.590 --> 00:12:38.879 alternate routes for 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:43.669 this section of what we're driving and that's just showing 00:12:43.669 --> 00:12:45.399 you the the utilities 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:48.110 that we all had to deal with and we're essentially done 00:12:48.110 --> 00:12:49.279 with all the utilities 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:51.730 you can see where it says clear clear clear if it's active 00:12:51.730 --> 00:12:52.600 the schedule that 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:56.950 they have proposed to us is consistent with the schedule 00:12:56.950 --> 00:12:58.000 that SEMA bid the 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:03.139 project on so I 35 email project improvements this is the 00:13:03.139 --> 00:13:03.559 ultimate 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:07.440 improvements to Mayhill where it'll have 12 lanes going 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:09.559 under it'll have three 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.909 lanes in each direction two laughs in each direction north 00:13:13.909 --> 00:13:14.720 and south and then 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:21.320 two Texas U-turns and this project will pick up where the 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:23.000 OHL project leaves off 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:26.870 so OHL is building the southbound frontage road in its 00:13:26.870 --> 00:13:29.200 permanent location 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:33.740 from 288 all the way down to basically where flooring 00:13:33.740 --> 00:13:35.840 America is up there and 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:38.490 then this may hill project will pick up that southbound 00:13:38.490 --> 00:13:39.679 frontage road and the 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:41.860 northbound frontage road and build it in its permanent 00:13:41.860 --> 00:13:43.240 location plus the main 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:47.029 lanes for the distance of whatever the project limits are 00:13:47.029 --> 00:13:48.360 to the south I think 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:53.379 goes about 2,000 feet to the south of Mayhill so this will 00:13:53.379 --> 00:13:53.759 be an ultimate 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.750 improvement it will tie in it will be once we're done with 00:13:56.750 --> 00:13:58.000 the Mayhill segment 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:00.990 that area will be fully constructed as its ultimate 00:14:00.990 --> 00:14:02.399 configuration it won't be 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:05.879 striped that way because it has managed lanes in the middle 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:07.600 so if you go over a 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.470 407 when you're driving south you notice that 407 bridge is 00:14:11.470 --> 00:14:13.000 huge well that's 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:15.679 because just the ultimate configuration for eight lanes of 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:16.879 traffic and four tow 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:19.620 lanes and right now we're just using eight lanes of traffic 00:14:19.620 --> 00:14:20.679 and two reversible 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:23.309 so the bridge structure itself will be built permanently 00:14:23.309 --> 00:14:24.279 the main lanes will be 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:27.860 permanent but they'll be striped off or cordoned off for 00:14:27.860 --> 00:14:29.399 existing traffic flow 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:33.269 and this project is fully funded and we are looking at a 00:14:33.269 --> 00:14:34.919 December 2019 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.960 construction or let date which means it probably March of 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:39.600 2020 they'll go under 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:46.519 construction the your Luke 288 35e mayhill project this is 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:47.879 the project Mark 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:55.690 was referencing the OHL contract the this contractor 00:14:55.690 --> 00:14:58.519 started off under 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:02.980 performing and has not disappointed in their ability to un 00:15:02.980 --> 00:15:03.960 perform the whole time 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:09.259 they've been there and so the contract had a completion 00:15:09.259 --> 00:15:11.720 date of August of 2018 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:16.389 you'll note that that says July 2019 that's the degree of 00:15:16.389 --> 00:15:17.440 under performance 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:24.240 this contractor has underperformed we've had a series of 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:25.399 meetings with OHL 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:30.120 they're out of Madrid Spain so there's not a lot we can do 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:32.120 to them and we have 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:35.240 another meeting coming up on this Friday this is a 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:37.279 construction report and 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:39.909 essentially the critical path was supposed to be the Br 00:15:39.909 --> 00:15:41.519 inker bridge right 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:44.940 but if you look at what's going on out there they're 00:15:44.940 --> 00:15:46.399 further along on the 288 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:49.820 bridge which is probably not a bad thing but the reality is 00:15:49.820 --> 00:15:51.080 both bridges for this 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:55.429 area to work have to be constructed and operational what we 00:15:55.429 --> 00:15:56.320 're looking at on 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:03.559 Friday is restructuring the sequencing of the project such 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:06.720 that we talked to 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:10.240 Beaver and he said that they would take possession sometime 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:11.440 in September of the 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.500 store by November 1st they'd have it fully staffed and they 00:16:14.500 --> 00:16:14.840 want it 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:17.980 operational through the Christmas season so we're shooting 00:16:17.980 --> 00:16:18.879 for a December 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:24.419 timeframe to accommodate that movement the movement that we 00:16:24.419 --> 00:16:26.360 need is northbound 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:30.360 frontage road crossing 35 into the Buckees development 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:30.720 because the 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:34.529 southbound movement into Buckees is always there because 28 00:16:34.529 --> 00:16:35.519 8 off ramp is 00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:39.429 always there so what we're looking at hopefully on Friday 00:16:39.429 --> 00:16:41.960 is a manner that we 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:47.100 suggested that OHL could look at phasing the Brinker bridge 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:48.000 essentially 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.509 allowing traffic starting in December to be a part of the 00:16:51.509 --> 00:16:53.779 construction zone so 00:16:53.779 --> 00:16:58.129 we put a temporary pavement and not the permanent location 00:16:58.129 --> 00:16:59.159 and allow the traffic 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:04.900 to turn in and then go back north if they so chose under 00:17:04.900 --> 00:17:07.000 construction so the 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:09.500 only time that they would block the traffic east and west 00:17:09.500 --> 00:17:10.640 underneath 35 was 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:13.930 when they actually stop close that area to hang beams 00:17:13.930 --> 00:17:15.559 across the bridge structure 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:20.970 so we were talking about a phasing sequence that puts Br 00:17:20.970 --> 00:17:21.960 inker open to 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:25.339 traffic prior to the actual bridge above it being 00:17:25.339 --> 00:17:28.279 constructed so that's an active 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:32.710 construction zone we've done this before usually on interst 00:17:32.710 --> 00:17:33.559 ates it's kind of the 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:38.240 kind of things you have to do but we have that's our goal 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:38.839 we'll know whether 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:46.289 OHL will be a team player or not essentially what they want 00:17:46.289 --> 00:17:47.000 is time and 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:52.339 money don't we all so we just got to see what the proposal 00:17:52.339 --> 00:17:53.480 is and see where 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:58.200 they're going on the phasing. Councilmember Briggs. So on 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:01.599 the the Brinker is that 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.539 coming up in a separate slide or is this we want to talk 00:18:04.539 --> 00:18:06.880 about these two? So this 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:12.920 the the Brinker project the Luke 288 is here the Brinker is 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:13.680 here and then we're 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:16.490 doing a Texas U-turn at Mayhill for this project so 00:18:16.490 --> 00:18:17.960 essentially the movement 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:20.980 we're trying to add is coming northbound getting off the 00:18:20.980 --> 00:18:22.279 frontage road onto the 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:24.680 frontage road being able to turn into the development and 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:26.559 then coming back out 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:30.190 and going back north because the southbound movement you've 00:18:30.190 --> 00:18:30.680 always got 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:33.720 the exit just past Luke 288 for State School Road which 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:34.519 gets you to Brinker 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:37.279 and then they can get back out on the road and continue on 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:38.279 so that's the it's 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:43.000 the north end movement and out north movement that doesn't 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:43.759 exist right now in 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:49.599 the current phasing. Right and so OHL the issues are they 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:51.319 doing all of those three? 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:56.289 Yes ma'am. OHL's contract is the Luke 288 bridge structure 00:18:56.289 --> 00:18:57.039 the Brinker bridge 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:59.960 structure and the U-turn that's already open at Mayhill. 00:18:59.960 --> 00:19:02.000 Okay. So OHL has all of 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:07.839 these as one as one project. Because there's been a lot of 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:09.480 concern in the 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:13.210 community that Buc-E's was going to open before Brinker 00:19:13.210 --> 00:19:14.279 bridge and they were 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:17.829 supposed to kind of go hand-in-hand. Correct. So the the 00:19:17.829 --> 00:19:19.799 residents in the community behind 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:24.940 Buc-E's are you know very nervous about what's going to 00:19:24.940 --> 00:19:27.160 happen. Do you feel 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:31.130 confident that the traffic can be managed with this phasing 00:19:31.130 --> 00:19:32.039 sequence? 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:38.240 Absolutely not. No? Okay. This is like my third Buc-E's and 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:39.160 we did the last one in 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:42.119 Fort Worth and we had that open before we had the frontage 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:43.240 road completed and 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:48.450 the signals up and just to put it to not to find a point on 00:19:48.450 --> 00:19:50.200 it the schedule that 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:53.579 Buc-E's is on is the schedule that they've always been on. 00:19:53.579 --> 00:19:55.000 Our goal was to 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:59.349 hit that August 2018 timeframe. We don't have any control 00:19:59.349 --> 00:20:00.480 over the bidders that we 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:04.180 get. If we'd have gotten a decent bidder similar to SEMA 00:20:04.180 --> 00:20:05.440 and the other thing on 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:08.460 the Fort Worth Drive we learned from this job this job has 00:20:08.460 --> 00:20:09.759 about five thousand 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:13.460 dollars a day in liquidated damages. That's nothing. The 00:20:13.460 --> 00:20:15.160 Fort Worth Drive one we 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:17.920 put fifteen thousand dollars a day in liquidated damages. 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:19.440 So we're learning on 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:24.049 these contractors. So OHL was the one that pushed our 00:20:24.049 --> 00:20:25.920 project out a year past 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:29.299 what it is and so what we're trying to do is this phasing 00:20:29.299 --> 00:20:30.559 will make the traffic 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:35.279 in that area better than not accommodating them once they 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:36.640 open because 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:41.009 otherwise what they would have to do is if we don't give 00:20:41.009 --> 00:20:42.839 them the out and north 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:45.950 movement then all the traffic will come down come to the 00:20:45.950 --> 00:20:47.279 mayhill make the u-turn 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:50.859 and come back and go north so a little impact mayhill more 00:20:50.859 --> 00:20:52.599 than it should. 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:54.960 Mayhill is already a crummy interchange right now that's 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:58.720 already updating it. So 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.740 accommodating them across in the construction zone should 00:21:02.740 --> 00:21:03.680 minimize the 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:06.589 traffic problems that are there because essentially all the 00:21:06.589 --> 00:21:07.359 turning movements 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:11.319 are available it's just going to be you know higher volumes 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:12.000 than what we have 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:16.640 currently because there's that's a destination location. 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:21.190 I'm not confident in anything. So the southbound frontage 00:21:21.190 --> 00:21:22.680 road the way that it 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:27.819 is now is it going to be that way for a long period of time 00:21:27.819 --> 00:21:30.119 that goes by Buckees? 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:34.470 Is that? That is the permanent location. So what we're 00:21:34.470 --> 00:21:35.440 doing on with 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:38.220 the mayhill job ultimately is flooring America's like 00:21:38.220 --> 00:21:39.319 somewhere in here is 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:42.240 where that frontage road ends and I may be off a couple 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:43.440 hundred feet but the 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:45.890 mayhill project picks up that permanent pavement here and 00:21:45.890 --> 00:21:46.839 continues all the way 00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:50.470 through so that the southbound structure that's why we're 00:21:50.470 --> 00:21:51.480 already acquiring the 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:55.940 right-of-way off of James Wood, Shogun, Exxon Mobil we're 00:21:55.940 --> 00:21:56.839 already buying that 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:00.109 right-of-way even as we speak the state is. So we're gonna 00:22:00.109 --> 00:22:00.960 put both the 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:03.589 southbound and the northbound frontage road in its 00:22:03.589 --> 00:22:04.960 permanent location so we'll 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:08.230 be taking we'll be buying the right-of-way that's already 00:22:08.230 --> 00:22:09.000 been set back 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:11.880 by the hospital because they knew that was coming to put 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:13.000 the frontage road on 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:15.279 the northbound side in its permanent location so ultimately 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:15.920 once we're done 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:21.529 in this project 35e ultimately is built out in that area. 00:22:21.529 --> 00:22:22.240 The only thing that has 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:26.200 to be done after that is putting the managed lanes in the 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:28.519 proper location. Is 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:31.710 there anything we've learned about you know what OHL has 00:22:31.710 --> 00:22:33.880 done that would make 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:37.029 us put things into contracts in the future that would 00:22:37.029 --> 00:22:38.200 prevent the same thing 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:40.829 happening again? Liquidated damages are something that Tech 00:22:40.829 --> 00:22:43.480 Stat is slowly trying to 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:47.460 increase but the problem is is that the staff level TechSt 00:22:47.460 --> 00:22:49.039 at has to follow the 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:52.839 laws that the legislature establishes and the legislature 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:54.440 hasn't given TechStat 00:22:54.440 --> 00:23:00.000 a whole lot of teeth to deal with contractors because the 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:01.200 what is it AGC 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:04.470 Association of General Contractors they've got a bigger 00:23:04.470 --> 00:23:05.519 lobby than the 00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:12.269 state staff does because they can't lobby and so AGC argues 00:23:12.269 --> 00:23:13.759 against any 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:18.259 improvements in the way we handle contractors because they 00:23:18.259 --> 00:23:19.000 go talk to 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:24.740 legislators and the problem is is we OHL just literally we 00:23:24.740 --> 00:23:26.119 had a meeting right 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:28.680 before they got awarded on this one where we were trying to 00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:29.319 kick them off of 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:32.150 the project just north of the airport where they were doing 00:23:32.150 --> 00:23:33.200 121 and all those 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:38.710 braided ramps it was so bad that the conversations were so 00:23:38.710 --> 00:23:40.000 heated that during 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:42.039 one of those meetings OHL said they were never going to 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:42.839 work in the Dallas 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:44.750 district again they were just leaving the Dallas district 00:23:44.750 --> 00:23:45.359 and we were saying 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:50.680 good good riddance and then they bid on this job. Got it. 00:23:50.680 --> 00:23:53.160 Imagine our consternation. 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:57.509 So we can't even get rid of a bad contractor even if if 00:23:57.509 --> 00:23:58.319 they're the 00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:00.759 lowest bid they're the lowest bid it's not lowest and best 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:01.319 the state does not 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:07.039 do lowest and best it's lowest. Okay I know this is going 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:10.920 to come up later today too. So we had a meeting on Friday 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:12.059 we'll know more about the 00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:16.450 schedule and what we're planning on doing Friday after 00:24:16.450 --> 00:24:20.640 about 330. What's the 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:24.750 extent on this project on Mayhill is it just the u-turn or? 00:24:24.750 --> 00:24:25.640 Yeah that was it. 00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:31.329 The intent was to well that was we were pushing to get 00:24:31.329 --> 00:24:34.559 Texas U-turn in lieu of 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:37.950 doing Brinker because they could just come out maybe U-turn 00:24:37.950 --> 00:24:39.279 and go north but 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:42.869 it was part of the project we went ahead and added it but 00:24:42.869 --> 00:24:44.279 we ended up adding 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:50.119 Brinker in total to that to the project as well. In the May 00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:51.240 hill project the 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:54.079 previous one on the schedule that has not been bid or 00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:56.380 anything to that extent. No, no. We should be bid in 00:24:56.380 --> 00:24:57.680 December of next year. 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:00.920 Okay. Director Nelson. 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:04.920 Got there. How do you? 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:06.920 Clarified the Mayhill project. 00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:09.799 The upcoming Mayhill project versus the small component of 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:10.920 the existing O.H.L. project. 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.240 So Mayhill just to put in perspective Mayhill will be a 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:16.440 bigger bridge structure 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:23.549 than Loop 288 is because Loop 288 at that area is only four 00:25:23.549 --> 00:25:25.680 lanes. 2499 and 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:28.349 Mayhill are ultimately six so the Mayhill interchange will 00:25:28.349 --> 00:25:29.000 actually be a 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:36.000 larger bridge structure than 288 just in your own mind. And 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:37.400 that that should say 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:39.569 we're having trouble with O.H.L. we're gonna be meeting 00:25:39.569 --> 00:25:40.799 with them on Friday. 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:44.670 Alright so you 35 North project we've got some additional 00:25:44.670 --> 00:25:46.240 information here to 00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:51.619 talk to you about. Just south of this project 380 down to 6 00:25:51.619 --> 00:25:53.200 35 is the what we 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:55.920 call the I-35E project that had the managed lanes in it. 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:56.759 And it was 00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:00.630 environmentally cleared to this point right here. This 00:26:00.630 --> 00:26:02.279 project is going to be 00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:07.190 environmentally cleared in March plus or minus a month. So 00:26:07.190 --> 00:26:08.440 that's tomorrow in 00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:13.279 textile world. We are pitching a proposal about a 420 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.240 million dollar proposal to 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:20.700 Austin. It was actually this is a project that we pushed 00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:22.680 both with Textot and the 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:29.240 region in the past. For the 35E 35W merge if you go out 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:29.680 there to raise a 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:33.619 ranch you know this part of 35 does not function. But you 00:26:33.619 --> 00:26:35.119 don't do anything but 00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:38.849 push the problem north if you don't get past 77. So we've 00:26:38.849 --> 00:26:41.359 got a proposal with 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:46.750 Textot and Austin on the clear lanes project for basically 00:26:46.750 --> 00:26:48.440 this area of 35 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:51.920 part 35W. You know how you if you come up 35W it drops down 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:53.480 to one lane to get on to 35? 00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:57.829 That ultimately will be to continue the two lanes. So we're 00:26:57.829 --> 00:26:58.960 talking about 35W 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:03.309 35E from about North Texas Boulevard around all the way up 00:27:03.309 --> 00:27:04.400 to 77 building it 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:07.789 in its ultimate configuration which includes braided ramps 00:27:07.789 --> 00:27:08.839 on both sides of 00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:16.960 the interstate and it's about 420 million bucks. So this 00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.000 will morph on your on 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.710 your chart to be a combination of three different interst 00:27:22.710 --> 00:27:25.279 ates WE and 35 itself 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:29.720 and then then from 77 to North we're looking at Textot 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:32.200 using their their cat 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:35.519 $12 in the future to widen that part of the road. But if we 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:36.759 can get past 77 which 00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:41.630 also includes a realignment of 1173 up to Bartol Road which 00:27:41.630 --> 00:27:42.200 is on your 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.309 thoroughfare plan then we've essentially solved all the 00:27:45.309 --> 00:27:47.240 Denton's traffic problems 00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:51.970 on 35 in theory for now. I'm sorry I just don't know what 00:27:51.970 --> 00:27:54.240 cat $12 means. I just 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:58.240 don't know what cat $12. I'm sorry yes sir there are 12 00:27:58.240 --> 00:27:59.200 categories of funding 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.369 that the state has and each one of them have a different 00:28:02.369 --> 00:28:03.940 use. Category 12 is 00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:07.069 called Commission discretionary funds and a subset of 00:28:07.069 --> 00:28:08.519 category 12 is also 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:13.289 called Clear Lanes. So we're gonna use part of the Clear L 00:28:13.289 --> 00:28:13.799 anes money in 00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:16.910 category 12 for the wish wishbone I'm gonna call it I don't 00:28:16.910 --> 00:28:17.799 want us to call it and 00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:21.670 then we're pushing Textot Austin to use their discretionary 00:28:21.670 --> 00:28:22.640 portion of category 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:28.630 12 for that remaining segment up to the county line. And 00:28:28.630 --> 00:28:30.799 then we'll send you I 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:35.609 think there's a glossary of terms that I use that y'all can 00:28:35.609 --> 00:28:36.359 refer to 00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:42.039 occasionally. There you go. So basically what we had to do 00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:42.640 the reason this is 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:46.519 March of 2019 is somewhere near Sanger we ran into a 00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:50.400 historically significant 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:55.960 ranch and the house which is in disrepair is within the 00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:57.160 footprint of the 00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:01.509 southbound frontage road. So instead of knocking down a dil 00:29:01.509 --> 00:29:02.880 apidated barn we got 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.640 to move an interstate over. So we're redoing the schematic 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:07.519 and that'll push 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:12.109 the push the time schedule for the environmental clearance 00:29:12.109 --> 00:29:13.279 but it's still 00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:15.950 in time. So this kind of gives you a better picture what I 00:29:15.950 --> 00:29:16.440 was talking about 00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:20.359 here's 35 Eden like North Texas Boulevard here's 35 W and 00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:21.559 then here's 380. This is 00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:25.599 the project up to 77 that we're planning on chasing for 00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:27.119 about 420 million 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:31.470 we feel very confident we'll get it. So this is the W 00:29:31.470 --> 00:29:33.839 segment the Wishbone down 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.720 to the county line we're currently building the frontage 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:40.200 roads from 114 to 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:43.470 Eagle Parkway both north and southbound. HNTB is 00:29:43.470 --> 00:29:45.000 responsible for environmentally 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:50.839 clearing the entire corridor on this project sorry but we 00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.039 also have Jacobs on 00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:56.799 contract and what they are doing says HNTB will utilize 00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:58.119 Jacobs files and 00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:01.930 they're gonna be working on the frontage road so from 1171 00:30:01.930 --> 00:30:02.839 wherever that is I 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:09.559 think it's right here up to the railroad track right we are 00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:10.559 doing a frontage road 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:14.609 job we'll put the frontage roads on 35 W in its permanent 00:30:14.609 --> 00:30:16.079 location that'll open 00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:20.079 up all of that area for development permanent development 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:20.680 because the frontage 00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:23.660 roads will be in their permanent location and we feel 00:30:23.660 --> 00:30:24.759 fairly confident 00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:31.740 that while we do not have a schedule yet they are already 00:30:31.740 --> 00:30:33.160 doing the PS&E which is 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.509 the design document for the frontage road and assuming we 00:30:37.509 --> 00:30:38.559 get a environmental 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:40.960 clearance which worse we got rid of this it used to have a 00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:42.640 date of 2020 but I was 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:44.750 telling you this is one of those jobs that once the 00:30:44.750 --> 00:30:46.720 mobility 2045 was approved 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:50.829 the environmental clearance would move up on this one well 00:30:50.829 --> 00:30:52.119 we're recalculating 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:54.960 the sandbox schedule and we'll have a schedule for the 00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:56.240 environmental clearance 00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:58.559 on this project because we need this cleared too for our 00:30:58.559 --> 00:30:59.559 Wishbone project for 00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:04.039 the 420 million dollar job so it's got a priority and once 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:05.299 it's cleared you can 00:31:05.299 --> 00:31:07.500 build pieces however you want they're already doing the 00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:08.400 design work for the 00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:13.200 frontage roads so we're fairly confident that in the next 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:14.920 five years this will be 00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:16.940 under construction the frontage road project will be under 00:31:16.940 --> 00:31:17.579 construction as 00:31:17.579 --> 00:31:19.720 well 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:26.700 380 Luke 288 intersection now this is temporary you know we 00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:27.480 extended that 00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:31.829 right turn lane but that contract only allowed us to do so 00:31:31.829 --> 00:31:32.640 far south I'm 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.220 talking to you primarily we're gonna get that further south 00:31:36.220 --> 00:31:37.400 on the next contract 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:42.240 and it'll extend but it's still it's working better now but 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.279 we left this in 00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:49.420 so we can say completed on it now we'll take it off us 380 00:31:49.420 --> 00:31:50.880 East this is basically 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:54.430 Luke 288 the green section the region is green is going 00:31:54.430 --> 00:31:55.440 over the green belt area 00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:58.359 with the lake this is being done in house by text that this 00:31:58.359 --> 00:31:59.680 project from 00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:03.549 here over to the county line is being done by two 00:32:03.549 --> 00:32:05.640 engineering firms it's 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:09.509 trans systems and white oak engineering then we are 00:32:09.509 --> 00:32:11.200 acquiring right away in this 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:15.099 corridor even as we speak so we're anticipating a June of 00:32:15.099 --> 00:32:17.119 19 which is next 00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.920 summer sorry about that next summer environmental clearance 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:20.960 the project is 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:25.309 fully funded a little over 130 million dollars so by May of 00:32:25.309 --> 00:32:26.380 2021 because once 00:32:26.380 --> 00:32:28.829 we acquire the right away we have to relocate the utilities 00:32:28.829 --> 00:32:29.240 mostly at 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:35.880 intersections and then then we can go to construction so 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.079 again just about every 00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.710 way in and out of Denton in about three years we'll all be 00:32:40.710 --> 00:32:41.500 torn up and under 00:32:41.500 --> 00:32:51.430 construction so be encouraged Luke 288 West so this is 00:32:51.430 --> 00:32:54.480 north and that's south 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.349 again we're looking at we moved this up a little bit from 00:32:58.349 --> 00:32:59.680 December to September 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.779 I think we're still going to beat that date that'll allow 00:33:02.779 --> 00:33:04.000 us to begin right away 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.200 acquisition sooner which means we can probably get this 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:08.519 date beat which means 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.279 that we can probably get one of these dates ready to let 00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:12.519 sooner and remember 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:16.150 we just passed a resolution saying that and I the way up 00:33:16.150 --> 00:33:17.319 the way I worded it 00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:21.670 when I sent the resolution to text that was if enough funds 00:33:21.670 --> 00:33:23.240 aren't found to 00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:26.299 construct the entire facility we prefer the northbound 00:33:26.299 --> 00:33:27.480 frontage road to be built 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:32.410 first so we're not giving up on you know the half a billion 00:33:32.410 --> 00:33:33.220 dollars it takes to 00:33:33.220 --> 00:33:37.670 build this road in the interim and ultimate but the intent 00:33:37.670 --> 00:33:40.039 is by 2022 some 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:45.660 portion of the loop is put out to construction for for a 00:33:45.660 --> 00:33:46.720 bid to construct 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:51.859 that's member breaks so on this going back to the the 00:33:51.859 --> 00:33:53.240 little map that you had 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:59.569 earlier for 35 if I look at it the the loop extension 00:33:59.569 --> 00:34:02.240 crosses that yes so right 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:08.320 up here this is this is 288 so 380 somewhere down here 00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:09.599 somewhere in here 00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.519 right here I think I'm just making sure those improvements 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:14.679 will be done ahead of 00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:20.519 ahead of the loop coming in so yes and no okay so the 35 00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.639 job will build and do 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:29.360 the direct connects for on the east side the 288 job will 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.440 build and design the 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:37.800 direct connects on the west side and then on 35 W the 288 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:39.719 job will build the 00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:44.219 direct connects on the west side and then the 35 W will go 00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:45.719 in and and tear up 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:47.920 vintage and remove this neighborhood and put in direct 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:49.559 connects there just 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:53.349 kidding that was a joke there won't be any direct connects 00:34:53.349 --> 00:34:53.960 on this side of the 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:58.010 road so it'll just be a normal box normal diamond 00:34:58.010 --> 00:34:59.599 interchange and can you 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:03.110 just give me a better idea of what's coming first and since 00:35:03.110 --> 00:35:03.840 we're not fully 00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:08.190 funded for the loop if we're only part partly funded how 00:35:08.190 --> 00:35:10.559 all that works okay so 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.829 I apologize I should probably have you give you a schematic 00:35:13.829 --> 00:35:15.000 but you know how on 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.780 your interstate highways you have a frontage road that goes 00:35:17.780 --> 00:35:19.119 one way they 00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.320 have the main lanes and you have another friends going the 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:22.840 other way what we 00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.760 would build if we only have enough money is the northbound 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:27.739 the inside frontage 00:35:27.739 --> 00:35:31.889 road because that would set your line for development but 00:35:31.889 --> 00:35:33.239 it would operate as 00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.780 a two-lane two-way road in the interim but we'd go ahead 00:35:36.780 --> 00:35:37.719 and buy all the 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:39.610 right-of-way needed because you only want to bother these 00:35:39.610 --> 00:35:40.239 property owners 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:43.949 once so you'd buy that 450 feet but you'd only build the 00:35:43.949 --> 00:35:45.000 northbound frontage 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.260 river if we don't if we don't have enough money to do it 00:35:47.260 --> 00:35:48.440 all of it it would 00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.269 be the northbound frontage road and all of the subst 00:35:51.269 --> 00:35:52.639 ructures for the bridge 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:54.530 structures that it would have to go over because you only 00:35:54.530 --> 00:35:55.159 want to build those 00:35:55.159 --> 00:36:00.320 bridges once as well so that's the that's the minimum we 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:01.400 want to do phase 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:08.159 one on 288 whether or not 288 beats the frontage roads that 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:09.159 we're doing from the 00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:14.130 railroad track south to 1171 or whether the wishbone which 00:36:14.130 --> 00:36:14.519 is already 00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:19.039 environmentally cleared beats 288 or this port of 35 we don 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:19.719 't know yet because 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.269 they're all horse race they're all out of the gate they're 00:36:22.269 --> 00:36:23.039 all running we don't 00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:26.940 know who's gonna cross okay we're gonna try to manage it 00:36:26.940 --> 00:36:30.239 though okay thank you 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:35.380 you know I realize you're half kidding when you're talking 00:36:35.380 --> 00:36:36.719 about before how you 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.019 know in a certain period of time every rate way in and out 00:36:39.019 --> 00:36:39.800 it's gonna be torn 00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:42.030 up and under construction but is there a part of the 00:36:42.030 --> 00:36:44.920 process where kind of you 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.550 know lay these things on top of each other is a process we 00:36:47.550 --> 00:36:48.719 tried to that but 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:53.070 what happens is when the money comes you got to go 00:36:53.070 --> 00:36:54.320 understood I'm not trying to 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.150 try to talk about in you know doing or not doing or 00:36:57.150 --> 00:36:59.039 changing sequence or anything 00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.980 but just do we lay them on top of each other and then say 00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:03.239 all right what's our 00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:08.250 what's our survival plan during this actually yes you're a 00:37:08.250 --> 00:37:09.199 city manager asked 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:11.829 us to put together kind of an overlay of all these and we 00:37:11.829 --> 00:37:13.159 were in the process of 00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:17.000 doing that because you're right I mean you got 2181 you got 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:17.900 Mayhill you got 00:37:17.900 --> 00:37:21.659 35 you got 35 a you got 35 w you know you got Bonnie Bray I 00:37:21.659 --> 00:37:22.599 mean you got a lot 00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:26.230 of projects that are overlapping and what we try to do we 00:37:26.230 --> 00:37:27.519 're gonna try to do 00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:30.699 is put the timelines down in the construction period that 00:37:30.699 --> 00:37:31.440 color will be 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:34.829 in red and you'll be able to see where these roads overlap 00:37:34.829 --> 00:37:36.500 in months on what 00:37:36.500 --> 00:37:39.130 those projects are overlapping each other on so that's what 00:37:39.130 --> 00:37:39.440 we're we're 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:44.269 working on right now I just know from knock on doors that 00:37:44.269 --> 00:37:44.840 the thing that 00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.869 people find most frustrating is when we go well that's 00:37:47.869 --> 00:37:49.119 textile you know and 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.420 that's local sorry that you have absolutely no way out of 00:37:52.420 --> 00:37:52.760 your 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:58.059 neighborhood you know like except to and I'll tell you we 00:37:58.059 --> 00:37:59.239 were meeting with oh 00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.210 right we were meeting with OHL last I mean that's what one 00:38:02.210 --> 00:38:02.719 of the things we 00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.670 beat them over the head with is that this isn't just an 00:38:05.670 --> 00:38:06.840 interstate project 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:10.800 you've got five different inner changes in the city or 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:12.840 county seat that are are 00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:17.190 detrimentally impacted by your apathy is the word I used 00:38:17.190 --> 00:38:18.800 they asked me not to 00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.599 attend the next meeting 00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:26.239 next time one of the things that we are working diligently 00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:27.719 with text on ITS has 00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:31.769 been involved with pre Tams engaged and marks engaged is 00:38:31.769 --> 00:38:33.679 that there are different 00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:36.400 levels of communication plans that the state engages in 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:37.320 depending on what 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:41.670 project they're actually working on so like an I-35e that 00:38:41.670 --> 00:38:43.079 got a whole different 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:46.869 level of communication now when you get into a project like 00:38:46.869 --> 00:38:48.079 these more local 00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:51.000 projects and to text out this would be a local project even 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:52.000 though to us it's a 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:56.239 very big project it really falls more on staff city staff 00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:56.920 to make sure that 00:38:56.920 --> 00:38:59.389 communication goes out so it's a partnership between both 00:38:59.389 --> 00:39:00.119 entities and 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.519 this project is still so early in the planning and design 00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:04.599 phase that we still 00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:06.750 only have a good feel on when they're really gonna go 00:39:06.750 --> 00:39:07.719 because we hear we're 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.800 gonna go and which that's better than what we've heard them 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:12.119 pass which is it's 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:17.260 gonna go now it's we're gonna go but it's defining when 00:39:17.260 --> 00:39:18.559 does that gonna start 00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.829 so we can start prepping the public for what's going on and 00:39:21.829 --> 00:39:23.000 merge that with our 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.719 capital projects 00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.719 glad it's on everyone's radar 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:34.750 and he was not kidding about every road being torn up it's 00:39:34.750 --> 00:39:37.159 just not all exactly 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:40.480 at the same time but every road will be torn up going in 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:44.760 and out of yes and I 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:50.949 live right here in this area so I'm a I call I let text 00:39:50.949 --> 00:39:51.920 that know that I'm one 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:56.269 of the daily inspectors on a project so I just got to where 00:39:56.269 --> 00:39:57.320 I was driving to the 00:39:57.320 --> 00:39:59.829 OHL project not text all of them because there's a group 00:39:59.829 --> 00:40:00.719 message about said 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:03.719 there's nobody out here 00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:11.639 alright 1515 is the project going into the airport LTRA has 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:12.920 this project we're 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:16.300 looking at a December 2020 environmental clearance and 00:40:16.300 --> 00:40:18.559 essentially the city is 00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:23.050 the client for lack of a better word on this because in 00:40:23.050 --> 00:40:24.679 theory what we want to do 00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:28.150 is once we widen it get steak to widen it they'll ask us to 00:40:28.150 --> 00:40:29.360 take it off system 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:32.929 you know be a six lane divided Boulevard with you know text 00:40:32.929 --> 00:40:34.119 that design criteria 00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:36.750 that's still up for you guys to answer whether you want to 00:40:36.750 --> 00:40:38.280 or not but in case 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:41.659 that's a situation your staff wants to be intimately 00:40:41.659 --> 00:40:43.280 involved in making sure 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:47.679 that what you get is what you want so I don't overstep my 00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:48.719 boundaries 00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:53.250 so this is one of those items that we're getting a lot more 00:40:53.250 --> 00:40:54.880 engaged in knowing 00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.929 that the state's preference would be to turn this over from 00:40:57.929 --> 00:40:59.119 my perspective I 00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:02.389 would argue that since it's really the entrance to both our 00:41:02.389 --> 00:41:03.480 industrial park or 00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.599 region for lack of a better term and the airport that we 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:08.559 would eventually want to 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.909 take this over so as a precursor to that we've got a 00:41:12.909 --> 00:41:14.920 project manager on staff 00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:18.420 who's engaged in that project now a lot more vested than we 00:41:18.420 --> 00:41:19.639 had been in the past 00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.590 so they they are more engaged through the design process 00:41:22.590 --> 00:41:23.559 and what we're looking 00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:26.949 at along with having pre-tambent on those discussions that 00:41:26.949 --> 00:41:29.199 's what breaks so 00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:32.989 regarding that I see the the dollar amount up there so who 00:41:32.989 --> 00:41:34.199 would the state 00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.480 go ahead and pay for that and then we would then take over 00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:38.559 that and then have 00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:41.619 the maintenance of those lanes not to speak for John 00:41:41.619 --> 00:41:42.800 because he does a better 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:46.119 job of explaining all that than I do but it's very similar 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:47.519 to what we're doing on 00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.070 both the Locust and Elm turn backs and what happened with 00:41:50.070 --> 00:41:50.960 McKinney except the 00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:54.050 McKinney we got it turned opposite the state's gonna do 00:41:54.050 --> 00:41:55.159 this construction 00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:57.789 they'll pay for that and then ultimately we will have to 00:41:57.789 --> 00:41:58.800 commit to a maintenance 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:03.190 agreement or turn over the right away long term okay but to 00:42:03.190 --> 00:42:04.239 put a fine point 00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:09.670 on it the city I think this engineering group has noticed 00:42:09.670 --> 00:42:11.179 some shortfalls and 00:42:11.179 --> 00:42:14.559 some of your pavement design criteria in the past and they 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:16.199 they are making that 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:20.550 more robust but a textile design criteria is significantly 00:42:20.550 --> 00:42:21.280 more robust 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:25.739 than typical normal City Street because it has to carry at 00:42:25.739 --> 00:42:27.320 least 56,000 pounds 00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:31.670 of weight or better and so they have they build a far more 00:42:31.670 --> 00:42:33.039 robust facility 00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:37.369 than normally what some cities do y'all are increasing y' 00:42:37.369 --> 00:42:39.059 all's criteria even as 00:42:39.059 --> 00:42:45.199 we speak. Member Tim? On this project my biggest concern is 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:46.400 its interaction with 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:50.929 so many other projects going on you've got the 35 W service 00:42:50.929 --> 00:42:51.920 road project you've 00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:54.880 got the Bonnie Bray project you've got the horseshoe 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.280 project and so the quicker 00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:01.010 we can get designs on the ground for this that may need to 00:43:01.010 --> 00:43:02.159 be adjusted for 00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:08.000 those but so that we know because you know I travel Bonnie 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:09.239 Bray to this 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:13.679 connection quite frequently and there's a whole lot more 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:15.199 traffic on Airport Road 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:17.829 that now it's all gonna be Bonnie Bray and they're gonna 00:43:17.829 --> 00:43:18.559 get backed up on 00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:22.460 Airport that we've got to figure that out as quick as 00:43:22.460 --> 00:43:23.119 possible. 00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:26.510 Right and the phase three construction that will be going 00:43:26.510 --> 00:43:27.719 on Bonnie Bray which 00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.250 is our segment right in front of Apigee Stadium that should 00:43:31.250 --> 00:43:32.280 be ahead of this 00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.429 that project I believe is slated to bid late next year when 00:43:35.429 --> 00:43:36.519 this project will 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:39.909 really be kicking into the next phase of design I believe 00:43:39.909 --> 00:43:41.159 so we should be ahead 00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.539 of their construction schedule and then we'll obviously be 00:43:44.539 --> 00:43:45.719 working with TechStot 00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:48.260 like we do on a monthly basis or even sometimes every 00:43:48.260 --> 00:43:49.639 couple of weeks meet 00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:51.820 with them about these projects to make sure we're all on 00:43:51.820 --> 00:43:52.679 the same page about 00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:58.199 what's going on when. So ultimately once we get some heads 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:00.599 up on that $420 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:03.980 million dollar project that will be a regularly ongoing 00:44:03.980 --> 00:44:05.280 staff to staff meeting 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.110 that we have every two weeks with TechStot Dallas and Dent 00:44:08.110 --> 00:44:09.239 on office with 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.969 city staff and appropriate staff to make sure that Bonnie 00:44:12.969 --> 00:44:16.199 Bray 1515 35 W 35 E 00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:22.440 North Texas Boulevard 35 380 288 1173 all of these things 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.320 are not forgetting 00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:31.440 the other. So you mentioned that the design was still you 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:31.920 were still thinking 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:35.039 about going six lanes and that was something that you 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:35.920 needed to work on 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:40.269 would that decision come to this committee? Six lanes on 15 00:44:40.269 --> 00:44:41.400 15? Yeah. 00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:48.119 1515 is proposed as a six lane divided. Okay so that that's 00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:48.920 it six 00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:51.880 lane divided. Well I mean it's not environmentally cleared 00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:54.199 yet but that's our intent. 00:44:54.199 --> 00:45:00.119 Unless that's not our intent. The intent right now based on 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:01.280 especially the use in 00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:03.000 the area when you're going into the airport and you have 00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:03.579 the industrial 00:45:03.579 --> 00:45:06.340 complex Peterbilt everything that's going in that area for 00:45:06.340 --> 00:45:07.340 the beef for that to be 00:45:07.340 --> 00:45:11.250 six lanes now as it goes over I-35 that may change because 00:45:11.250 --> 00:45:12.440 we're going into 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.070 Bonnie Bray which would be a four lane facility long term. 00:45:15.070 --> 00:45:16.320 So you'll see some of 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:18.780 those roadways peel off to go to different directions as 00:45:18.780 --> 00:45:19.480 you get closer 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:24.409 to the interstate. Yeah I have an issue with a large road 00:45:24.409 --> 00:45:25.400 coming into a small 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.750 road it seems. Well that's a sooner there but I'm glad that 00:45:29.750 --> 00:45:30.519 TechStot is doing it 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.000 because there will be a lot of heavy trucks and so that 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:35.039 would be very important. 00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:38.010 Part of our coordination with city staff is to go do a lot 00:45:38.010 --> 00:45:38.920 of outreach with these 00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:42.679 industrial because they have definite phasing of their 00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:45.719 ships so LTRA's job 00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.349 once we get some general idea on the basics of what we want 00:45:49.349 --> 00:45:50.960 to build part of 00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.469 their job will be to work with city staff and those 00:45:54.469 --> 00:45:56.079 individual users out 00:45:56.079 --> 00:46:01.219 there to determine what their schedules are for shift 00:46:01.219 --> 00:46:03.159 changes and make sure that 00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:06.239 our phasing of that project is consistent with that 00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:08.239 movement. There's an 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.639 added component with 1515 that's part of the master 00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:13.239 thoroughfare plan update both 00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:18.679 loop 288 West and where it ties back into 35W and FM 1515 00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:20.079 are two kind of 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:23.400 east-west connections. What we're looking to provide with 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:23.760 the master 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.849 thoroughfare plan is how do you achieve what you're most 00:46:26.849 --> 00:46:27.920 concerned about which 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.739 is taking a four lane facility that's really designed to 00:46:30.739 --> 00:46:31.679 move heavy trucks 00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:34.989 heavy equipment back and forth to the interstate isolating 00:46:34.989 --> 00:46:35.679 them to the 00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:38.610 interstate and not on to Bonnie Bray. So we do that through 00:46:38.610 --> 00:46:39.599 a lot of geometric 00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:42.389 changes in the way the roadways configured to make sure 00:46:42.389 --> 00:46:43.079 that we give 00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.489 them the best possible alternatives in their worst-case 00:46:45.489 --> 00:46:46.519 scenario we'll have to 00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:49.340 do some signage and things but that's where we're working 00:46:49.340 --> 00:46:50.199 with LTRA to make 00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.960 sure that we get the same process and mindset across as we 00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:55.159 don't want those 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.550 trucks going over to Bonnie Bray but you have to provide 00:46:58.550 --> 00:46:59.159 the facilities for 00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:03.510 them to get to the major interstate so that they'll stay 00:47:03.510 --> 00:47:04.199 away from it. 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:15.679 1830 it's a shoulder job that's done and 1173 is the 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:16.760 project we were talking 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:21.110 about earlier we have Garver on this and they're now part 00:47:21.110 --> 00:47:23.480 of our on system task 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:29.320 force this is a showing you where FM 1173 currently exists 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:30.840 but it will ride 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:34.230 about where this 1173 sign is it'll turn north and go along 00:47:34.230 --> 00:47:36.000 Bartol Road and tie 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:40.590 in with this alignment here so the actual drawing that 00:47:40.590 --> 00:47:41.719 schematic that 00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:45.099 Garver's doing doesn't stay on existing it moves up and 00:47:45.099 --> 00:47:47.079 gets to Bartol Road so 00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:49.780 we'll make a change on this map to show that but we think 00:47:49.780 --> 00:47:51.119 the schematic will be 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:55.519 approved next month and then they'll start the 00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:57.760 environmental document on it 00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:03.599 and that is all I have unless there's something else that I 00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:05.679 don't know. 00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:17.909 Okay thank you so much. Feel better. All right good we 00:48:17.909 --> 00:48:21.519 still have time for a good 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:25.320 discussion on item D. Receive a report hold a discussion 00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:26.320 and provide direction 00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:28.110 of the North Central Texas Council of Government 00:48:28.110 --> 00:48:29.280 Metropolitan Transportation 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:34.420 Plan policy bundles and transportation development credits. 00:48:34.420 --> 00:48:38.599 So as part of North 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:41.230 Central Texas Council of Governments effort to really the 00:48:41.230 --> 00:48:42.159 MPO metropolitan 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:46.510 planning organizations effort to address certain air 00:48:46.510 --> 00:48:47.599 quality and 00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:52.519 environmental issues region wide they have over the course 00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.360 of the years put 00:48:54.360 --> 00:49:03.449 forward different policies resolutions ordinances that 00:49:03.449 --> 00:49:05.159 cities agencies whether 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:10.289 it's a local local government in terms of a municipality or 00:49:10.289 --> 00:49:11.639 a county or school 00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:15.269 district where they can adopt certain policies one of those 00:49:15.269 --> 00:49:16.280 might be the clean 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:20.630 fleet ordinance which the city of Denton has has adopted. 00:49:20.630 --> 00:49:23.400 So what what the what the 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:27.130 MPO is trying to do is address air quality in one sense as 00:49:27.130 --> 00:49:28.079 well as address 00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:33.500 certain other development issues region wide and so to 00:49:33.500 --> 00:49:35.679 serve as a as a carrot if 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.800 you will they've come up with the program called a policy 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:39.159 bundle. 00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:41.309 There's a number of different policies you've got that in 00:49:41.309 --> 00:49:42.360 your backup there's 00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:47.500 about 20 different policies that the city of Denton might 00:49:47.500 --> 00:49:48.760 wish to or have or 00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:53.280 have in some cases already adopted or falling if not 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.360 technically the letter of 00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:59.760 the law but within the spirit of the law and so or of the 00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:01.559 policy and so what 00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:06.909 what the MPO has done is develop this policy bundle that if 00:50:06.909 --> 00:50:08.079 an entity such as 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:13.429 the city of Denton adopts 10 of the 20 policies or has some 00:50:13.429 --> 00:50:14.440 variation 00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:19.599 implemented almost different policies then they're eligible 00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:20.679 for transportation 00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:25.400 development credits. These transportation development 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:27.880 credits are really some 00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.610 folks call them monopoly money but really what they hire is 00:50:30.610 --> 00:50:31.400 just it's a 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:36.800 it's a trading of a financial credit from one region to the 00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:39.480 other and so these 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:43.159 development credits are then available to be applied 00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:45.360 towards the local match so 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:51.880 if the city say had a $100,000 sidewalk project out there 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:52.360 and it was going to 00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:57.769 meet you know the federal standards then we could if if we 00:50:57.769 --> 00:50:59.400 had this policy bundle 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:03.750 in place we could apply for that particular project and 00:51:03.750 --> 00:51:05.000 then apply if 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.000 we're eligible apply for the transfer you know to use those 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:08.639 transportation 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.489 development credits. Where we are right now is we have 00:51:12.489 --> 00:51:13.320 approximately six of 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:16.099 these policies in place and we have about three or four 00:51:16.099 --> 00:51:17.079 other right on the 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:21.750 cusp. I'm working through with the different subject matter 00:51:21.750 --> 00:51:22.960 experts at the 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:27.639 Council of Governments to see do certain activities 00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:28.760 actually 00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:33.900 meet the the spirit or the letter of their particular 00:51:33.900 --> 00:51:35.480 policy or resolution. 00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:40.269 Case in point DME has some copper theft activities that 00:51:40.269 --> 00:51:41.960 they put in place around 00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:45.460 their substations and then around some areas that they have 00:51:45.460 --> 00:51:47.320 experienced copper 00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:50.610 theft they put up actual game cameras and so trying to see 00:51:50.610 --> 00:51:51.559 if that one will 00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:56.039 check the box. Another one you might see in this in this 00:51:56.039 --> 00:52:00.119 list of policies is a 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:04.469 is the stormwater management. I've been in touch with with 00:52:04.469 --> 00:52:05.000 the Council of 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:10.840 Government with our environmental experts here on staff and 00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:12.119 we're an integrated 00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:16.639 storm management city we're silver rated and so what that 00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:18.079 what that means is we 00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:23.219 do certain things to address channel maintenance, flip- 00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:25.239 plane development as 00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:30.380 well as verify and you know the end goal is enhance or 00:52:30.380 --> 00:52:32.400 improve quality of runoff 00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:37.800 stormwater runoff and so because we are silver rated on 00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:38.840 that one of the 00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:42.119 questions is does that does that meet does that meet the 00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:43.159 litmus test for this 00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:47.039 particular policy. So we've got a couple others that are 00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:48.639 along the same lines 00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:53.139 what I can tell you right now for clean fleet we do have a 00:52:53.139 --> 00:52:54.280 clean fleet. 00:52:54.280 --> 00:53:04.130 So we okay so we do have clean fleet ordinance in place we 00:53:04.130 --> 00:53:04.639 have an idling 00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:09.079 restriction we've we've got that in place railroad safety 00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:09.679 we're moving 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:14.039 forward with the quiet zone so that so that meets on copper 00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:15.159 theft that's a 00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:18.599 that's an asterisk stormwater management that's an asterisk 00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:19.760 complete streets 00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:24.960 because of our our comprehensive development plan does 00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:25.719 include complete 00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:29.110 streets we're trying to verify if if that section of that 00:53:29.110 --> 00:53:30.159 of that document 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:36.769 will meet the intent of this policy bundle. That would also 00:53:36.769 --> 00:53:38.159 fall in and play 00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:41.699 with land use strategies on the parking management if you 00:53:41.699 --> 00:53:42.800 'll notice the bottom 00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:47.150 line and I apologize the the the tables a little bit small 00:53:47.150 --> 00:53:47.760 but it talks about 00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:51.340 shared parking on-street parking provisions by bicycle 00:53:51.340 --> 00:53:52.400 parking parking 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:56.210 management technologies parking districts again working 00:53:56.210 --> 00:53:56.840 with the 00:53:56.840 --> 00:53:59.670 University of North Texas that you know we've we interface 00:53:59.670 --> 00:54:00.800 with them in terms of 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.179 managing some of the on-street parking around around and 00:54:04.179 --> 00:54:05.840 within the campus so 00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:08.949 trying to determine whether that would be eligible. Safe 00:54:08.949 --> 00:54:10.440 access to school as you 00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:13.269 know we've got a couple of projects moving forward on safe 00:54:13.269 --> 00:54:14.639 access to school 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:19.840 that one that one I understand meets and then on the school 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:21.119 siting coordination 00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:24.610 that's one of the things that we've been working with DISD 00:54:24.610 --> 00:54:25.880 as you may know on 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:29.039 the on the new high school proposal and Bonnie Bray we've 00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:30.360 also worked with him a 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:37.349 little bit before they or right after they established the 00:54:37.349 --> 00:54:38.760 site for Braswell 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:42.719 High School out on 380 and brought a number of issues to a 00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:43.800 head at that point 00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:47.599 in time we've we've met two or three times with the school 00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:48.199 district with the 00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:52.039 Council of Government with TexDOT to see how we can work on 00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:53.360 doing a little bit 00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:56.679 better with the school site and again what what the Council 00:54:56.679 --> 00:54:57.360 of Government is 00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:01.300 concerned with is that they go out and they put a bunch of 00:55:01.300 --> 00:55:02.440 money as Mr. 00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:04.699 Pulsar was mentioning and some of those projects put a 00:55:04.699 --> 00:55:05.719 bunch of money into a 00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:09.519 particular project and then a school comes in you just open 00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:10.400 the capacity and 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:14.519 the school comes in during peak hour peak a.m. and peak p.m 00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:15.559 . periods and 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:18.829 constricts the with a school zone so those are some of the 00:55:18.829 --> 00:55:19.760 things they're 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.840 trying to work around and then the final one that we do 00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:24.840 have in place is the 00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:28.599 transit funding level 2 we do have a you know dedicated 00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:29.960 sales tax and a member of 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:33.139 a transit authority so that one does meet so I'm 00:55:33.139 --> 00:55:34.760 anticipating over the next 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:39.699 two months we'll be able to verify and and maybe be back in 00:55:39.699 --> 00:55:40.800 front of this 00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:45.320 committee with a with a more finalized application to 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:47.079 submit for for these 00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:49.980 transportation development credits I think I was keeping an 00:55:49.980 --> 00:55:50.519 accurate count 00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:53.460 that you hit about ten as you're going through right that's 00:55:53.460 --> 00:55:54.199 and how many do we 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:58.159 need to we have we have we have the six and we've got about 00:55:58.159 --> 00:55:59.079 four or five that 00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:05.000 are that are tentative yeah but between what we have and 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:06.840 what we might have I 00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:10.710 think that we actually get to the number they that's 00:56:10.710 --> 00:56:11.280 correct 00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:15.920 I was just gonna say browsing through these and just 00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:17.039 looking at them I could 00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:20.130 relate to certain things that we had or we discussed in 00:56:20.130 --> 00:56:22.199 just a couple of things 00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:27.840 we do have a joint didn't ISD meeting with council and if 00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:28.360 this is something 00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:31.670 that we need to put on that agenda to discuss to meet this 00:56:31.670 --> 00:56:32.440 criteria right 00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:36.789 because it said you know discussion should be had then 00:56:36.789 --> 00:56:37.719 maybe we could go 00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:42.860 ahead and look into that and check that one off I do know 00:56:42.860 --> 00:56:46.039 that the land use 00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:48.800 there's some of these things here under the policy that we 00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:49.840 've talked about in 00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:52.599 our code rewrite as we're going through those discussions 00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:53.679 so maybe getting with 00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:59.170 Scott and planning and seeing what's upcoming and question 00:56:59.170 --> 00:57:00.840 the employer trip 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:05.980 reduction because I have seen that DCTA has certain certain 00:57:05.980 --> 00:57:07.119 passes and they have 00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:11.090 a new program now with individual businesses like an 00:57:11.090 --> 00:57:13.159 employee pass and so 00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:16.300 it's trying to reduce the traffic on the streets I don't 00:57:16.300 --> 00:57:17.000 know if that would 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:21.940 qualify or we actually have and I can run that one to 00:57:21.940 --> 00:57:23.199 ground we've done some 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:28.340 stuff with DCTA with a number of well it's back to the 00:57:28.340 --> 00:57:29.840 volume discount 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:37.909 whereby certain employees were able to receive the volume 00:57:37.909 --> 00:57:39.639 discount if there was 00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:43.280 X number of total employees buying monthly passes and we 00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:44.440 had that in place 00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:47.630 a couple of years ago I don't know that those employees are 00:57:47.630 --> 00:57:48.559 continuing to use 00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:52.530 the DCTA transit service primarily the rails what they were 00:57:52.530 --> 00:57:53.480 looking for that 00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:57.829 they were employees over at the at City Hall E so I'll look 00:57:57.829 --> 00:57:58.639 into that and see if 00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:01.119 there's still some opportunities for that as well 00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:04.969 John you had a comment so in my other life I used to do 00:58:04.969 --> 00:58:06.239 employer trip reduction 00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.409 programs for a lot of entities around California because 00:58:09.409 --> 00:58:11.159 they couldn't open up 00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:15.010 their stores without having met San Diego's San Francisco's 00:58:15.010 --> 00:58:15.920 employer trip 00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:19.000 reduction program and some of the things they would 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:20.639 incentivize so you'd have to 00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:24.539 get 10% of your employees there some of the means besides a 00:58:24.539 --> 00:58:25.800 gas-powered vehicle 00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:29.369 but they let you do offsets if you put four or five parking 00:58:29.369 --> 00:58:30.360 stalls in your 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:33.880 parking lot for electric vehicles if you'd agree to pay for 00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:36.480 some bus stops 00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:39.039 somewhere near in the low round here so there's a lot of 00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:41.000 ways that you can do an 00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:43.679 employer trip reduction incentive program to meet the 00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:44.440 criteria without 00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:48.789 making it draconian on them they can have a slew of 00:58:48.789 --> 00:58:51.119 alternatives bike racks 00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:56.500 showers for bicyclists like that there's a lot of ways to 00:58:56.500 --> 00:58:57.000 do it 00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:00.710 well I view this as sort of like a bribe to do something 00:59:00.710 --> 00:59:02.360 that you mostly want to 00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:12.139 do anyway so it starts out as a carrot and I'll just say I 00:59:12.139 --> 00:59:14.840 talked to mark 00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.699 about bringing this forward about a month or two ago 00:59:17.699 --> 00:59:19.039 because the funds were 00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:21.840 awarded and I'm like we don't have these policies in place 00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:22.920 what else do we need 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:26.360 and so that was part of it and not only are these policies 00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:27.760 good for that but 00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:31.150 there are other funds out there that having these policies 00:59:31.150 --> 00:59:32.199 in place will help 00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:34.409 us get so there's there's a lot of money sitting on the 00:59:34.409 --> 00:59:35.320 table that we can be 00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:38.079 bringing up here to the city of Denton if we get enough of 00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:39.159 these policies put 00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:41.610 in place I think a lot of them are just you know sort of 00:59:41.610 --> 00:59:42.280 good ideas we're 00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:48.360 thinking about anyway so I appreciate that the prod any 00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:49.000 other questions or 00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:53.579 should we move ahead to staff reports okay then so e1 Ir 00:59:53.579 --> 00:59:54.559 ving transportation 00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:58.920 summit really mr. chair we just wanted to provide an 00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:02.119 opportunity to to let 01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:08.719 councilmember Ryan mention any any of the breakout sessions 01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:09.760 but it really it 01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:14.360 was just just to note that both Mary Portin Ryan and myself 01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:14.920 attended that 01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:19.519 particular summit it was the end of August there were some 01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:19.960 good breakout 01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:25.360 sessions and some were not so good but what I was more 01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:27.159 impressed with is that 01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:31.800 in the past this is this particular conference has gotten a 01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:32.679 little bit 01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:36.579 but it seemed like the the elected officials state of 01:00:36.579 --> 01:00:37.760 statewide and federal 01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:41.570 elected officials were we're really trying to work together 01:00:41.570 --> 01:00:42.400 to identify 01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:46.250 solutions they may not necessarily been on point with each 01:00:46.250 --> 01:00:47.280 other but both on 01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:52.420 point in terms of identifying solutions yeah yeah I would 01:00:52.420 --> 01:00:53.039 say I would agree 01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:56.510 completely that about half the sessions were very good and 01:00:56.510 --> 01:00:58.440 half of them were why 01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:01.960 did I come to this and I would even say on the political 01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:04.039 level that if there was 01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:07.090 someone from the state that was involved in in the 01:01:07.090 --> 01:01:08.920 discussion it probably was one 01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:13.269 to avoid but if it was local officials they were more keyed 01:01:13.269 --> 01:01:14.280 into you know ways 01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:17.659 to help and ways to move forward so you know county and 01:01:17.659 --> 01:01:20.000 city officials it was a 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:23.159 good experience I mean how did we all are interested in it 01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:23.599 next year I 01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:30.320 recommend attending it's a day and a half seminar a lot of 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:30.599 good information 01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:34.639 on stuff stuff not so much that would some of it wasn't 01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:35.440 even just for denting 01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:44.530 more of the state the what is the train the tube train 01:01:44.530 --> 01:01:48.960 hyperloop in that cog is 01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:52.130 actually looking instead of doing they're potentially 01:01:52.130 --> 01:01:53.280 looking instead of 01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:57.940 doing a high-speed train between Dallas and Fort Worth that 01:01:57.940 --> 01:01:59.239 is about 30 minutes 01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:05.599 doing the hyperlink train that is six minutes from Dallas 01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:12.639 to Fort Worth then 01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:19.119 you take a bike from there thanks for covering that for us 01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:19.719 we've addressed 01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:22.199 DCTA leadership change unless there's anything else you 01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:23.960 want to add no we're 01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:30.880 good I have none at this point okay the matrix anything 01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:32.559 Mayor Bertem or 01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:37.989 that's what we're breaking like to visit or add to the 01:02:37.989 --> 01:02:40.960 matrix well under 01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:44.079 concluding items so I guess if it's already on the matrix 01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:45.159 and you talk about 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:49.030 it if you want to add to it it's concluding items well 01:02:49.030 --> 01:02:50.039 depending on how 01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:52.579 you look at that if it's on there but it's not totally on 01:02:52.579 --> 01:02:53.400 there in Hickory 01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:56.159 Street is one of them because it's only listed on here once 01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:57.880 for from North Texas 01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:02.519 Boulevard to Avenue C so the upcoming phases of that to get 01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:03.519 it from Avenue C 01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:07.389 all the way out to Carroll if we can get that added in on 01:03:07.389 --> 01:03:09.239 future so we have some 01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:11.570 idea of dates as to what's going on on that so when 01:03:11.570 --> 01:03:12.880 constituents come up to us 01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:18.019 we can explain to him that it's not permanently going to be 01:03:18.019 --> 01:03:18.880 like that 01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:26.789 did we adequately did staff adequately answer the question 01:03:26.789 --> 01:03:28.920 on the turn back 01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:31.809 what what does term of the definition on turn back there 01:03:31.809 --> 01:03:32.559 was a there was a 01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:36.909 question that was raised about turn back and then what what 01:03:36.909 --> 01:03:38.679 particular roadways 01:03:38.679 --> 01:03:41.679 might be candidates for turn back if you look at the Mob 01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:43.320 ility Committee a new 01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:48.460 business matrix addendum there the last item there item 11 01:03:48.460 --> 01:03:50.079 we identified just 01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:51.980 kind of a definition of what the turn back is we talked a 01:03:51.980 --> 01:03:52.639 little bit about 01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:57.610 that earlier with FM 1515 I can go into detail if if there 01:03:57.610 --> 01:03:58.719 's a desire on that 01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:02.239 otherwise I'll just list these call out these particular 01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:04.559 roadway sections US 77 01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:08.530 from I 35 e to I 35 North so that would essentially be from 01:04:08.530 --> 01:04:09.880 the Callaway's here 01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:17.880 the south northbound exit ramp all the way north to out by 01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:19.679 the truck stop 01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:24.300 north 35 and then FM 1515 Airport Road we talked about that 01:04:24.300 --> 01:04:24.960 a little bit earlier 01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:30.349 today there's been some discussion on US 380 or University 01:04:30.349 --> 01:04:32.199 Drive from roughly 288 01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:38.960 in the east to 35 in the west and then FM 428 Sherman Drive 01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:40.119 we are we actually 01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:41.639 already do the maintenance we've got a maintenance 01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:42.960 agreement in play and so 01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:46.980 there's some discussion of taking that one off off system 01:04:46.980 --> 01:04:48.159 which would basically 01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:51.920 be from Carroll Boulevard there by the rodeo grounds all 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:53.719 the way up to 288 out 01:04:53.719 --> 01:04:59.760 by the water part I didn't list the I did not list the Al 01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:01.199 mond Locust because 01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:04.349 it's already listed on here we've had substantial 01:05:04.349 --> 01:05:06.400 discussion on the 01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:10.809 locust term that program are these items optional for us I 01:05:10.809 --> 01:05:11.360 mean when we have 01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:16.500 discussions can we say yes or no and under what conditions 01:05:16.500 --> 01:05:19.159 might we do that 01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:25.460 yeah turn the turn backs we absolutely have the option to 01:05:25.460 --> 01:05:27.239 say yes or no but if 01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:31.039 you do say no then you are limiting anything that we may 01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:32.280 want to manipulate 01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:35.710 or change on those roadways to the purview of text dot so 01:05:35.710 --> 01:05:36.800 if you want to add 01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:40.239 a signal or change lane configurations at a right turn 01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:41.800 right turn lane left turn 01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:45.349 lane you would all have to be permitted through text dot if 01:05:45.349 --> 01:05:46.679 we own the roadways 01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:49.960 especially if text out has come in and reconstruct the road 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:50.880 ways if we own the 01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:53.900 roadways then we have more say once it's conveyed to us on 01:05:53.900 --> 01:05:54.960 what we can and cannot 01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:59.519 do with those roads I'm not I didn't mean to imply that I 01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:00.639 personally had 01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.340 inclination to say no it just occurred to me it's like a 01:06:03.340 --> 01:06:04.519 significant decision 01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:08.869 financially right I mean I understand the benefits you 01:06:08.869 --> 01:06:09.639 described that I'm you 01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:14.280 know kind of inclined to like controlling the road these 01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:15.840 are all just 01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:18.559 candidates I mean there's questions as to what what has 01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:19.679 been discussed and so 01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:25.070 these are only candidates as what Todd indicated is I think 01:06:25.070 --> 01:06:26.199 at this point any 01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:30.800 things up for discussion it's all negotiable and there's 01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:31.920 different quid pro 01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:34.909 quos of things that Todd was kind of referencing as to and 01:06:34.909 --> 01:06:35.880 that you may want 01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:39.150 and how one of those things and obviously we would not go 01:06:39.150 --> 01:06:39.880 back to text 01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:42.079 out and say yeah we absolutely want that road without 01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:43.519 having gone back to it at a 01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:46.489 minimum this body here to make sure that we're all on the 01:06:46.489 --> 01:06:47.599 same page about where 01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:51.079 we're going yeah get it getting all the reconstruction done 01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:52.639 possible I totally 01:06:52.639 --> 01:06:57.239 hear that I guess it's just it just strikes me as you know 01:06:57.239 --> 01:06:58.639 probably a not 01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:03.349 inconsequential amount of maintenance dollars that were 01:07:03.349 --> 01:07:05.199 committed to it would 01:07:05.199 --> 01:07:08.590 have probably a good thing to do but there is a maintenance 01:07:08.590 --> 01:07:09.480 hit absolutely 01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:14.030 several of the roadways that Sherman for instance we 01:07:14.030 --> 01:07:15.280 already do the maintenance 01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:18.039 on that at through a maintenance cream with text on it so 01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:19.039 really the only piece 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:22.849 we're missing is control of the actual configuration of the 01:07:22.849 --> 01:07:24.880 roadway right there 01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:27.179 are pluses and minuses both when the state does come and 01:07:27.179 --> 01:07:28.000 reconstruct the 01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:32.789 roadways when they do one of these turn back projects they 01:07:32.789 --> 01:07:34.400 do as John alluded to 01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:37.469 earlier their pavement requirements and the requirements to 01:07:37.469 --> 01:07:38.519 build the base for 01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:40.989 the roadway are typically much thicker and much more 01:07:40.989 --> 01:07:42.239 substantial than what we 01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:45.539 would normally do that's one of the reasons why you've seen 01:07:45.539 --> 01:07:46.559 element locust 01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:50.960 as part of 77 hold up as well as it has for so long with 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:52.320 just us coming back and 01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:55.199 over topping you know with state over topping just a few 01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:55.920 times there's never 01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:59.360 been a real true reconstruct of that segment of roadway and 01:07:59.360 --> 01:07:59.960 it's because 01:07:59.960 --> 01:08:03.110 they've done a good job of really making sure they're 01:08:03.110 --> 01:08:04.480 substantially built 01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:08.980 there I guess I guess you know just to state the obvious at 01:08:08.980 --> 01:08:10.599 minimum you you'd 01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:15.300 want to quantify the maintenance obligation and build it 01:08:15.300 --> 01:08:15.840 into future 01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:20.979 forecasts right absolutely absolutely any other comments I 01:08:20.979 --> 01:08:22.079 would say most of it 01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:28.010 has to do with timing as well because obviously we're able 01:08:28.010 --> 01:08:29.760 to sometimes use 01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:33.239 that to get additional funds connecting state highway to 01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:34.920 state highway and you 01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:36.899 want to make sure that you don't take over that and it's no 01:08:36.899 --> 01:08:37.439 longer state 01:08:37.439 --> 01:08:41.069 highway now you don't get those funds and you know some of 01:08:41.069 --> 01:08:42.279 the designs I've 01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:46.979 seen like when it comes to University Drive eventually 380 01:08:46.979 --> 01:08:48.359 the current plan is 01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:51.329 to bring it up to tie it into the loop and once that's done 01:08:51.329 --> 01:08:52.119 then we would 01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:56.470 consider it as opposed to right now you know once that that 01:08:56.470 --> 01:08:58.380 through traffic is no 01:08:58.380 --> 01:09:02.729 longer an issue to it it's probably the best way to look at 01:09:02.729 --> 01:09:03.079 whether or not we 01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:13.569 want to consider that yes one point of clarification on on 01:09:13.569 --> 01:09:14.359 item 8 it was 01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:17.789 requested to have the the city street report included in as 01:09:17.789 --> 01:09:18.680 part of this is 01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:21.310 there a particular project or is there a particular thing 01:09:21.310 --> 01:09:22.279 that you'd like staff 01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:25.270 to comment on as part of this matrix well and I apologize 01:09:25.270 --> 01:09:26.239 that's what I was 01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:28.930 making comment on was that that matrix was about the Hick 01:09:28.930 --> 01:09:30.039 ory Street project that 01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:33.909 only lists completing it through Avenue C it doesn't 01:09:33.909 --> 01:09:35.359 complete from C on over to 01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:38.930 Carroll and in what how those would be phased out is that 01:09:38.930 --> 01:09:39.560 going to be a seat 01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:43.960 welch and then you know or part of that has to do with the 01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:45.079 lighting project that 01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:48.510 came to this body about three or four months ago and then 01:09:48.510 --> 01:09:49.680 prior to that three 01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:51.909 four months before that so that part that piece of the 01:09:51.909 --> 01:09:52.720 project has been 01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:55.720 broken out as a separate project entirely now so that we 01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:56.640 can design that 01:09:56.640 --> 01:10:00.640 in totality with the sidewalk the grading requirements the 01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:01.560 reduction of 01:10:01.560 --> 01:10:04.229 the street width and make sure that we have a complete 01:10:04.229 --> 01:10:05.359 project we only do it 01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:08.270 once and not do a roadway piece and then come back later 01:10:08.270 --> 01:10:09.680 and do the sidewalk and 01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:14.029 come back and do something else it's all one project that's 01:10:14.029 --> 01:10:15.640 my breaks in regards 01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:19.020 to that I know that we had a the bicycle lanes there was a 01:10:19.020 --> 01:10:21.119 pilot going on and so 01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:25.520 just an update on that next time with the UNT the free 01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:27.359 parking and the pilot 01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:32.029 and the bicycles all of that had been put on hold 01:10:32.029 --> 01:10:35.479 temporarily what will the 01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:40.779 bike lane that was going down on Hickory okay so we have 01:10:40.779 --> 01:10:43.039 hired a consultant and 01:10:43.039 --> 01:10:45.420 then we can talk more about their findings but they're in 01:10:45.420 --> 01:10:46.079 the middle of 01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:50.430 the collecting data yes so they have cameras set up and all 01:10:50.430 --> 01:10:51.159 they're 01:10:51.159 --> 01:10:57.479 collecting okay thank you anything else on the matrix yes 01:10:57.479 --> 01:10:58.800 it was there something 01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:00.760 that you wanted to say about street construction report or 01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:01.279 is it just here 01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:05.720 to note that we have it it was it was added to the matrix 01:11:05.720 --> 01:11:07.439 as a request from 01:11:07.439 --> 01:11:10.199 mayor Pro Tem Ryan I just wanted to make sure we hit the 01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:11.159 mark on that it sounds 01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:15.510 like we've got we've got direction on that we'll move 01:11:15.510 --> 01:11:17.520 forward okay so I I sense 01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:20.899 without having that seeing any gestures the council member 01:11:20.899 --> 01:11:21.800 breaks would like to 01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:27.850 say something but we have concluding remarks yeah so back 01:11:27.850 --> 01:11:30.159 to the matrix I did 01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:33.109 ask a while ago for a discussion on protected bike lanes 01:11:33.109 --> 01:11:34.159 and that's fallen 01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:36.939 off or it didn't come to us so I'd like to ask for that 01:11:36.939 --> 01:11:39.640 discussion again I do 01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:42.319 know there were certain areas in the city where they would 01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:43.079 make sense and 01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:48.699 that would be where the bike lanes are near the curb and 01:11:48.699 --> 01:11:50.720 the cars park on the 01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:54.100 opposite side one of the areas I'm thinking about is 01:11:54.100 --> 01:11:54.960 especially around 01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:58.720 Strickland because the bike lanes here and so the cars just 01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:00.439 pull into the the 01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:03.069 bicycle lane or they pull out into the bicycle lane which 01:12:03.069 --> 01:12:03.800 makes it really 01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:06.760 dangerous and if the bicycle lane were closer to the curb 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:08.199 that that wouldn't 01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:12.909 happen so that's just one area where in my mind that would 01:12:12.909 --> 01:12:15.079 make sense and and 01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:21.630 also since the lights have been installed downtown I've had 01:12:21.630 --> 01:12:22.760 several 01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:26.649 people complain that they are more dangerous now than they 01:12:26.649 --> 01:12:27.479 were before 01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:31.529 something with the crossing signals and so if we could 01:12:31.529 --> 01:12:32.760 evaluate those 01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:36.819 intersections or just take a group and walk down there one 01:12:36.819 --> 01:12:38.159 day and use the the 01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:44.520 the crosswalks to see they I've heard from many different 01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:45.560 people that there's 01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:50.159 a few been near misses something with the crosswalks and 01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:52.760 maybe the traffic 01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:57.319 lights along with the crosswalks like the the walk signals 01:12:57.319 --> 01:12:58.479 maybe I know that 01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:03.399 there are some cities who do they let the the walk signal 01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:04.720 go on for a few 01:13:04.720 --> 01:13:08.300 seconds before the light changes just to give people ahead 01:13:08.300 --> 01:13:09.539 of time to get out in 01:13:09.539 --> 01:13:12.170 the intersection because when they change at the same time 01:13:12.170 --> 01:13:15.199 there's that so 01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:21.199 just if we can look into that and the last thing a long 01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:22.920 long long time ago 01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:27.300 there was a person living in the senior community at Sycam 01:13:27.300 --> 01:13:28.199 ore and Locust 01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:34.340 and there was not a crosswalk there and we talked about it 01:13:34.340 --> 01:13:35.800 and then I think at 01:13:35.800 --> 01:13:40.939 the time Julie said well there's gonna be an intersection 01:13:40.939 --> 01:13:42.119 upgrade and then it 01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:44.659 got pushed to the conversation well there's going to be 01:13:44.659 --> 01:13:46.359 something at Mulberry 01:13:46.359 --> 01:13:51.500 and Carroll a new light or a crosswalk there or bike 01:13:51.500 --> 01:13:53.800 crossing this was a really 01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:57.779 long time ago so I'm just asking for somebody to remind me 01:13:57.779 --> 01:13:58.319 of that 01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:01.590 conversation because it's just kind of fallen off and it's 01:14:01.590 --> 01:14:02.760 not along the matrix 01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:06.000 anymore okay 01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:19.539 okay pre-tem pro-tem well since we're on crosswalks oak and 01:14:19.539 --> 01:14:23.560 Jago slash C 01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:28.699 you're a one-way on oak so the people walking east have no 01:14:28.699 --> 01:14:30.520 idea what whether 01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:33.350 the light is red or not because there is no crosswalk 01:14:33.350 --> 01:14:35.600 signal either so if we can 01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:38.619 look at that over by getting over by campus you get a lot 01:14:38.619 --> 01:14:39.760 of walkers in that 01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:46.399 area that that's something we need to take a gander at okay 01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:47.840 mine for the list 01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:52.979 is to look at would be opportunity for crosswalk between 01:14:52.979 --> 01:14:54.960 Cinemark and the I'm 01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:57.399 gonna forget the name of the senior housing that's just 01:14:57.399 --> 01:14:58.279 across the street 01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:05.090 from it question the residents there and then I'm looking 01:15:05.090 --> 01:15:06.399 for you know a little 01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:08.920 indication of whether you agree with me or not that it 01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:10.159 might be helpful to have 01:15:10.159 --> 01:15:14.930 staff tip the rest of the list of the you know the policy 01:15:14.930 --> 01:15:17.319 bundles over time you 01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:20.609 know just background us just because it seems like a good 01:15:20.609 --> 01:15:21.600 good kind of working 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:24.869 list of good ideas for us to do that you know not in any 01:15:24.869 --> 01:15:27.439 particular schedule but 01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:30.000 we don't need to stop at 10 because that's what gets us 01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:31.039 there that we look 01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:37.760 through the ideas yeah okay I see nods I think that's it 01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:39.399 this is anything anyone 01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:43.960 thinks I've missed I'm going to close the meeting of the 01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:45.600 mobility committee at 01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:50.000 1217 thank you