1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,309 So we'll convene our regular session starting at 1102 and 2 00:00:05,309 --> 00:00:06,320 first entertain a 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,560 motion to approve the minutes of the meeting of July 18th. 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,560 So moved. 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,559 All in favor please raise your right hand. 6 00:00:16,559 --> 00:00:21,699 Okay the minutes are approved. I'm going to go out of order 7 00:00:21,699 --> 00:00:23,519 in deference to our 8 00:00:23,519 --> 00:00:29,629 guests scheduling requirements. We have item E staff report 9 00:00:29,629 --> 00:00:31,399 number two DCTA 10 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:34,340 leadership change and someone who's intimately involved 11 00:00:34,340 --> 00:00:35,119 with that leadership 12 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:40,479 change is here to join us. Do you want to make an 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:41,600 introduction Mark? 14 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:46,920 Yes thank you Mr. Chair. It's my pleasure to introduce 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,320 Raymond Suarez. Raymond 16 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,670 Suarez has been with DCTA for a number of years and and I 17 00:00:52,670 --> 00:00:54,640 understand or we 18 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,070 understand later later this week he'll be officially 19 00:00:58,070 --> 00:00:59,320 appointed as the as the new 20 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,700 president of DCTA replacing Jim Klein. So without any 21 00:01:02,700 --> 00:01:04,560 further ado Raymond Suarez 22 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:11,760 DCTA. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you very much and I'm 23 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:12,920 actually very very pleased 24 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:18,420 to be here and excited to be representing DCTA. I became 25 00:01:18,420 --> 00:01:19,599 aware of this 26 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:22,299 this meeting just yesterday so I've tried to work some 27 00:01:22,299 --> 00:01:23,239 things around and 28 00:01:23,239 --> 00:01:25,400 make sure that I could be here because it's very important. 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:26,840 Not only to me I've 30 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:32,439 been a long citizen of this region. I grew up in Fort Worth 31 00:01:32,439 --> 00:01:33,439 . I've spent most of 32 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:37,500 my my career in Fort Worth and Dallas. Not to get too long 33 00:01:37,500 --> 00:01:39,319 in the tooth about my 34 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,219 career but since this is my first opportunity to speak to 35 00:01:42,219 --> 00:01:43,040 you I wanted to 36 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,049 give you a little bit of my background so that you 37 00:01:45,049 --> 00:01:46,640 understand that I'm while 38 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,719 I've been with DCTA for four years I've actually been in 39 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:51,159 the region for over 30 40 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:54,930 years. I've worked for Dallas area rapid transit helped 41 00:01:54,930 --> 00:01:55,799 build out the light rail 42 00:01:55,799 --> 00:02:00,939 system. Worked at General Dynamics and aerospace. I've been 43 00:02:00,939 --> 00:02:01,959 involved in physics 44 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:05,859 research. Spent about a decade in Silicon Valley working 45 00:02:05,859 --> 00:02:07,040 with some of the largest 46 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,460 companies in the world and because of that I traveled all 47 00:02:09,460 --> 00:02:10,319 over the world and 48 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:13,199 experienced a lot of different transportation systems. So I 49 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:13,680 'm not a 50 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,550 novice when it comes to transit and I'd like to consider 51 00:02:17,550 --> 00:02:19,719 myself fairly innovative 52 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:22,680 and have a lot of expertise when it comes to transit 53 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,360 options. I'm proud to 54 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,710 lead DCTA. We're quickly gaining a reputation for being one 55 00:02:28,710 --> 00:02:29,280 of the most 56 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,750 innovative transit authorities in the region. We're being 57 00:02:32,750 --> 00:02:34,080 recognized in 58 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,280 Washington DC and a lot of that has to do with it with the 59 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,360 team that we have 60 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,710 and and frankly we're embracing innovation and embracing 61 00:02:42,710 --> 00:02:43,680 technology. One 62 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,879 of the good things about serving this area both Denton and 63 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:48,280 Collin County is 64 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,520 that we don't have a lot of legacy infrastructure that we 65 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:51,159 have to deal with 66 00:02:51,159 --> 00:02:55,060 and so as we start looking at new technology next 67 00:02:55,060 --> 00:02:56,919 generations of transit 68 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:02,340 users that are demanding real-time on-demand solutions and 69 00:03:02,340 --> 00:03:03,159 so we're 70 00:03:03,159 --> 00:03:06,919 embracing that. We're looking at innovation from everything 71 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,039 from different 72 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:11,310 types of transit options to how we do procurements and I'm 73 00:03:11,310 --> 00:03:12,400 really excited to 74 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,479 work very closely with our member cities and other 75 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:17,400 stakeholders around the region 76 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:23,919 as we build a network of transportation. I don't typically 77 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,120 make promises but what 78 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,469 I will promise you is that I'm gonna be much more engaged 79 00:03:29,469 --> 00:03:31,080 and working with city 80 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:37,930 staff, the mayor, this organization and the other member 81 00:03:37,930 --> 00:03:39,360 cities to look at better 82 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,800 ways to serve you. I'm very clear not only in my direction 83 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:44,759 but the direction of our 84 00:03:44,759 --> 00:03:48,729 staff which is we're here to be a mobility partner and when 85 00:03:48,729 --> 00:03:50,159 it comes to 86 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:54,159 bringing in sales tax and delivering services we're here to 87 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:55,120 serve the cities 88 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:00,590 and that's my plan it's very simple and my plan is to 89 00:04:00,590 --> 00:04:02,479 engage with you and to 90 00:04:02,479 --> 00:04:05,000 do the very best job that we can moving forward so expect 91 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,159 to see a lot more of 92 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:09,919 me in the future. I don't have a big report today but I'm 93 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:10,759 more than willing to 94 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:15,110 take questions at this time. Thank you so much for joining 95 00:04:15,110 --> 00:04:16,519 us. Any questions for 96 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:20,870 Mr. Suarez? I look forward to seeing how you're gonna bring 97 00:04:20,870 --> 00:04:21,959 that aerospace part 98 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:25,519 of your background to Denton County Transportation. That 99 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:25,600 should be very exciting. All right 100 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:32,389 thank you so much appreciate this opportunity. Terrific so 101 00:04:32,389 --> 00:04:34,000 let's move on to 102 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,290 item B identify discuss meeting times dates and provide 103 00:04:37,290 --> 00:04:38,600 direction for future 104 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,129 mobility committee meeting dates and times. Perfect 105 00:04:41,129 --> 00:04:42,240 committee business talk 106 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:47,540 about some other time we're gonna meet. Do we like this 107 00:04:47,540 --> 00:04:49,199 time of the month? 108 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:52,199 This time? 109 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,509 Yeah Tuesday before council meetings work very well for me 110 00:04:58,509 --> 00:04:59,800 as long as we're not 111 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,680 conflicting with another committee and I think we kind of 112 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:03,720 have a layout of when 113 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,529 the other committees do meets. The only the only issue with 114 00:05:07,529 --> 00:05:09,839 that is you know if 115 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,259 from time to time you have a fairly populated council 116 00:05:14,259 --> 00:05:16,439 agenda and how things 117 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:19,540 may get shifted around that was one of the reasons why we 118 00:05:19,540 --> 00:05:20,519 moved off of the 119 00:05:20,519 --> 00:05:24,870 Tuesday day but you know this works well for staff as well 120 00:05:24,870 --> 00:05:27,199 and we can we can move 121 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:32,720 forward with this particular date excuse me this particular 122 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,959 day and just keep an 123 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:38,779 eye on the ball in terms of what those start times are with 124 00:05:38,779 --> 00:05:39,959 council so again I 125 00:05:39,959 --> 00:05:43,980 think councilmember Briggs was right to question staff 126 00:05:43,980 --> 00:05:45,519 today about the time what 127 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:47,879 time we needed to move out of here so we need to be out of 128 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:50,000 here at 1230 so they 129 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:58,399 can set up for committee of the whole. I just wanted to add 130 00:05:58,399 --> 00:06:00,240 that on that on the 131 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,230 times if council does start earlier I'm flexible in my 132 00:06:03,230 --> 00:06:05,040 ability to be here but 133 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,519 way before 11 if we need to start 9 10 just depending on 134 00:06:09,519 --> 00:06:10,959 council schedule and 135 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:14,360 mobility agenda. How about you mayor Portem? Are you 136 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:15,199 flexible to come earlier? 137 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:19,639 And I am as well. And typically with the agenda committee 138 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:20,680 meeting on Wednesday 139 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,410 the prior to we should have a good feel as to what what 140 00:06:24,410 --> 00:06:26,079 that start time is for 141 00:06:26,079 --> 00:06:28,860 council and we can kind of back that up a little bit if 142 00:06:28,860 --> 00:06:30,120 that meets everyone's 143 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:36,110 schedule at that point in time. Okay so I'm gonna close 144 00:06:36,110 --> 00:06:38,199 item B then so we'll go 145 00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:42,189 for a month basically a month from now Tuesday. Second 146 00:06:42,189 --> 00:06:43,759 Tuesday's. Second 147 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:46,759 Tuesday January 11 o'clock is the direction I'm receiving. 148 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:47,319 Yeah and earlier 149 00:06:47,319 --> 00:06:52,899 if need be to accommodate a fuller council session with an 150 00:06:52,899 --> 00:06:53,600 earlier meeting 151 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,949 time. So let's move on to item C and use our our full hour 152 00:06:57,949 --> 00:07:00,079 and a half well. Receive 153 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:02,730 a report hold a discussion and provide direction regarding 154 00:07:02,730 --> 00:07:03,600 Texas Department of 155 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,470 Transportation on system projects in the Denton area to 156 00:07:06,470 --> 00:07:07,920 include the 35 Express 157 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:13,250 project. Mr. Chair we've got John Pulser here with a walk 158 00:07:13,250 --> 00:07:14,959 us through the backup 159 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:19,050 material I think may spend a little bit more time on the OH 160 00:07:19,050 --> 00:07:20,720 L 35E project as 161 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,290 well as the 377 but try to move through those as quickly as 162 00:07:24,290 --> 00:07:24,959 possible. 163 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:27,480 Welcome. 164 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:51,569 Everybody Mark says it's right here. Okay so we'll start 165 00:07:51,569 --> 00:07:55,040 with 2181 North 166 00:07:55,040 --> 00:08:00,180 project this is a project that MCM is constructing from 167 00:08:00,180 --> 00:08:02,600 basically just east of 168 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:08,439 2499 up through to Lillian Miller. The next page is the 169 00:08:08,439 --> 00:08:10,040 text that report 170 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,800 essentially they're doing a right I apologize I'm a little 171 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,680 under the weather 172 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:21,470 so my voice. Thanks for soldiering through anyway. They're 173 00:08:21,470 --> 00:08:22,360 doing a lot of the 174 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,300 great work as you see out there they're doing a lot of the 175 00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:27,120 intersection detours 176 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:32,259 for the for the ultimate roadway improvements we're doing 177 00:08:32,259 --> 00:08:32,639 several 178 00:08:32,639 --> 00:08:37,779 signals which includes the signal at Geyer that we have 179 00:08:37,779 --> 00:08:39,340 opened about two 180 00:08:39,340 --> 00:08:43,769 weeks ago. We're working on the next phasing of the project 181 00:08:43,769 --> 00:08:44,759 because right now 182 00:08:44,759 --> 00:08:49,399 in the original plans that signal would go down to one lane 183 00:08:49,399 --> 00:08:50,639 in each direction as 184 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:53,580 opposed to having turning movements to accommodate school 185 00:08:53,580 --> 00:08:54,480 traffic so we're 186 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,350 working through that the project's currently still on track 187 00:08:58,350 --> 00:09:00,440 for February 188 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:05,570 2020 plus or minus about 32 days they were arguing about on 189 00:09:05,570 --> 00:09:07,759 the time and so 190 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:12,110 far so well on what what's going on with that project. I 191 00:09:12,110 --> 00:09:13,320 don't know if you have any 192 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,080 specific questions but we meet every as a matter of fact we 193 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,480 're meeting tomorrow 194 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:23,320 with your staff, TechStat, Dallas district staff and the 195 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,039 area office to go over 196 00:09:25,039 --> 00:09:27,240 several projects to make sure we're staying on track and 197 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:27,799 this is one of 198 00:09:27,799 --> 00:09:33,799 those projects. In Fort Worth Drive you all just passed 199 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:36,120 your local advanced 200 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:42,399 funding agreement with TechStat that project has been 201 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:45,440 awarded to I think it 202 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:50,740 was a seam of construction and we were able to the your 203 00:09:50,740 --> 00:09:52,080 cost for your 204 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,649 engineering were about three million dollars more than what 205 00:09:55,649 --> 00:09:56,120 you had 206 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,620 anticipated them to be and we were able to get the Council 207 00:09:59,620 --> 00:10:00,799 of Governments to 208 00:10:00,799 --> 00:10:03,429 agree to cover that additional three million dollars in 209 00:10:03,429 --> 00:10:04,279 costs so that the 210 00:10:04,279 --> 00:10:08,629 city would not be out of the out-of-pocket that money. Your 211 00:10:08,629 --> 00:10:09,039 agreement 212 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:11,740 has a two-step process where when you all executed the 213 00:10:11,740 --> 00:10:13,039 agreement you sent or 214 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:16,159 will be sending the amount that you thought the utilities 215 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:17,080 should cost and 216 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,799 then when COG gets you the remaining dollar amounts to you 217 00:10:21,799 --> 00:10:22,799 they'll wire it to 218 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:26,929 you then you'll turn around and transfer it to to TechStat 219 00:10:26,929 --> 00:10:28,320 to cover all of the 220 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,129 cost of their utility improvements. Excuse me just I just 221 00:10:32,129 --> 00:10:33,720 noticed now that 222 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,100 it's not sort of a set part of your very good format to 223 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:38,360 have estimated 224 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,240 completion date. Well so we do put those in. I see you have 225 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,559 the time. Yeah what we do is 226 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,279 we add that once we have the contractor on board we have a 227 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:48,120 pre-construction 228 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,669 meeting and they give us what their schedule is and what 229 00:10:51,669 --> 00:10:53,240 their contractual 230 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,809 completion date is and then we add that to it so it's once 231 00:10:57,809 --> 00:10:58,960 it's awarded then 232 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,899 there's a couple of months after that before we actually 233 00:11:00,899 --> 00:11:01,580 know what they're 234 00:11:01,580 --> 00:11:04,320 proposing to do from a schedule and TechStat's got to 235 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,720 accept that schedule and 236 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,279 so we'll actually show you two dates sometimes one is a 237 00:11:10,279 --> 00:11:11,480 contractual 238 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,750 completion date which on these reports on the previous page 239 00:11:14,750 --> 00:11:16,039 that date right 240 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:23,149 there February 17 or 2020 that's the contractual date until 241 00:11:23,149 --> 00:11:23,720 it's not and 242 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,789 then we change it to whatever it's going to be but that's 243 00:11:26,789 --> 00:11:27,919 towards the end of the 244 00:11:27,919 --> 00:11:31,879 project so yeah it just it morphs through the schedule 245 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:32,480 morphs through as 246 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:38,159 they mature in their development. So forward drive the 247 00:11:38,159 --> 00:11:39,799 process we were doing 248 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:43,379 is we've already started working with your public 249 00:11:43,379 --> 00:11:45,159 information office and 250 00:11:45,159 --> 00:11:50,840 TechStat to have a public outreach meeting on this project 251 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:51,360 because if you'll 252 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,730 note if you can see up close you'll notice this is three 253 00:11:55,730 --> 00:11:57,240 phases of a project 254 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:03,879 in order is a bridge over the railroad a driveway project 255 00:12:03,879 --> 00:12:04,679 with a little bit of 256 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,259 roadway included in the middle so we have a lot of bridge a 257 00:12:08,259 --> 00:12:08,879 roadway 258 00:12:08,879 --> 00:12:11,690 improvements that we're doing that are impacting existing 259 00:12:11,690 --> 00:12:12,639 drives that are not 260 00:12:12,639 --> 00:12:16,990 driveways they're just open space right so we're narrowing 261 00:12:16,990 --> 00:12:18,240 them down to their 262 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,750 design standards and so we want to go out to the public and 263 00:12:21,750 --> 00:12:23,039 let them know hey 264 00:12:23,039 --> 00:12:25,679 what we're doing we're fixing to start once we have that 265 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:26,519 schedule then we'll go 266 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:29,360 meet with the residents around this area to let them know 267 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,320 you know the phasing 268 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,210 the timing the construction delays and where they can get 269 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:34,320 information on this 270 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,590 project because there's not really there's not very many 271 00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:38,879 alternate routes for 272 00:12:38,879 --> 00:12:43,669 this section of what we're driving and that's just showing 273 00:12:43,669 --> 00:12:45,399 you the the utilities 274 00:12:45,399 --> 00:12:48,110 that we all had to deal with and we're essentially done 275 00:12:48,110 --> 00:12:49,279 with all the utilities 276 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:51,730 you can see where it says clear clear clear if it's active 277 00:12:51,730 --> 00:12:52,600 the schedule that 278 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,950 they have proposed to us is consistent with the schedule 279 00:12:56,950 --> 00:12:58,000 that SEMA bid the 280 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,139 project on so I 35 email project improvements this is the 281 00:13:03,139 --> 00:13:03,559 ultimate 282 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,440 improvements to Mayhill where it'll have 12 lanes going 283 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,559 under it'll have three 284 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,909 lanes in each direction two laughs in each direction north 285 00:13:13,909 --> 00:13:14,720 and south and then 286 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:21,320 two Texas U-turns and this project will pick up where the 287 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,000 OHL project leaves off 288 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,870 so OHL is building the southbound frontage road in its 289 00:13:26,870 --> 00:13:29,200 permanent location 290 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,740 from 288 all the way down to basically where flooring 291 00:13:33,740 --> 00:13:35,840 America is up there and 292 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,490 then this may hill project will pick up that southbound 293 00:13:38,490 --> 00:13:39,679 frontage road and the 294 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,860 northbound frontage road and build it in its permanent 295 00:13:41,860 --> 00:13:43,240 location plus the main 296 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,029 lanes for the distance of whatever the project limits are 297 00:13:47,029 --> 00:13:48,360 to the south I think 298 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,379 goes about 2,000 feet to the south of Mayhill so this will 299 00:13:53,379 --> 00:13:53,759 be an ultimate 300 00:13:53,759 --> 00:13:56,750 improvement it will tie in it will be once we're done with 301 00:13:56,750 --> 00:13:58,000 the Mayhill segment 302 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,990 that area will be fully constructed as its ultimate 303 00:14:00,990 --> 00:14:02,399 configuration it won't be 304 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:05,879 striped that way because it has managed lanes in the middle 305 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:07,600 so if you go over a 306 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,470 407 when you're driving south you notice that 407 bridge is 307 00:14:11,470 --> 00:14:13,000 huge well that's 308 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,679 because just the ultimate configuration for eight lanes of 309 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:16,879 traffic and four tow 310 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:19,620 lanes and right now we're just using eight lanes of traffic 311 00:14:19,620 --> 00:14:20,679 and two reversible 312 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:23,309 so the bridge structure itself will be built permanently 313 00:14:23,309 --> 00:14:24,279 the main lanes will be 314 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:27,860 permanent but they'll be striped off or cordoned off for 315 00:14:27,860 --> 00:14:29,399 existing traffic flow 316 00:14:29,399 --> 00:14:33,269 and this project is fully funded and we are looking at a 317 00:14:33,269 --> 00:14:34,919 December 2019 318 00:14:34,919 --> 00:14:37,960 construction or let date which means it probably March of 319 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,600 2020 they'll go under 320 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:46,519 construction the your Luke 288 35e mayhill project this is 321 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:47,879 the project Mark 322 00:14:47,879 --> 00:14:55,690 was referencing the OHL contract the this contractor 323 00:14:55,690 --> 00:14:58,519 started off under 324 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:02,980 performing and has not disappointed in their ability to un 325 00:15:02,980 --> 00:15:03,960 perform the whole time 326 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:09,259 they've been there and so the contract had a completion 327 00:15:09,259 --> 00:15:11,720 date of August of 2018 328 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,389 you'll note that that says July 2019 that's the degree of 329 00:15:16,389 --> 00:15:17,440 under performance 330 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:24,240 this contractor has underperformed we've had a series of 331 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:25,399 meetings with OHL 332 00:15:25,399 --> 00:15:30,120 they're out of Madrid Spain so there's not a lot we can do 333 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,120 to them and we have 334 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,240 another meeting coming up on this Friday this is a 335 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,279 construction report and 336 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:39,909 essentially the critical path was supposed to be the Br 337 00:15:39,909 --> 00:15:41,519 inker bridge right 338 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:44,940 but if you look at what's going on out there they're 339 00:15:44,940 --> 00:15:46,399 further along on the 288 340 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:49,820 bridge which is probably not a bad thing but the reality is 341 00:15:49,820 --> 00:15:51,080 both bridges for this 342 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,429 area to work have to be constructed and operational what we 343 00:15:55,429 --> 00:15:56,320 're looking at on 344 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:03,559 Friday is restructuring the sequencing of the project such 345 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:06,720 that we talked to 346 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,240 Beaver and he said that they would take possession sometime 347 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,440 in September of the 348 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,500 store by November 1st they'd have it fully staffed and they 349 00:16:14,500 --> 00:16:14,840 want it 350 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,980 operational through the Christmas season so we're shooting 351 00:16:17,980 --> 00:16:18,879 for a December 352 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:24,419 timeframe to accommodate that movement the movement that we 353 00:16:24,419 --> 00:16:26,360 need is northbound 354 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,360 frontage road crossing 35 into the Buckees development 355 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:30,720 because the 356 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,529 southbound movement into Buckees is always there because 28 357 00:16:34,529 --> 00:16:35,519 8 off ramp is 358 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:39,429 always there so what we're looking at hopefully on Friday 359 00:16:39,429 --> 00:16:41,960 is a manner that we 360 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:47,100 suggested that OHL could look at phasing the Brinker bridge 361 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:48,000 essentially 362 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,509 allowing traffic starting in December to be a part of the 363 00:16:51,509 --> 00:16:53,779 construction zone so 364 00:16:53,779 --> 00:16:58,129 we put a temporary pavement and not the permanent location 365 00:16:58,129 --> 00:16:59,159 and allow the traffic 366 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:04,900 to turn in and then go back north if they so chose under 367 00:17:04,900 --> 00:17:07,000 construction so the 368 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,500 only time that they would block the traffic east and west 369 00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:10,640 underneath 35 was 370 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,930 when they actually stop close that area to hang beams 371 00:17:13,930 --> 00:17:15,559 across the bridge structure 372 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:20,970 so we were talking about a phasing sequence that puts Br 373 00:17:20,970 --> 00:17:21,960 inker open to 374 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,339 traffic prior to the actual bridge above it being 375 00:17:25,339 --> 00:17:28,279 constructed so that's an active 376 00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:32,710 construction zone we've done this before usually on interst 377 00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:33,559 ates it's kind of the 378 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:38,240 kind of things you have to do but we have that's our goal 379 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:38,839 we'll know whether 380 00:17:38,839 --> 00:17:46,289 OHL will be a team player or not essentially what they want 381 00:17:46,289 --> 00:17:47,000 is time and 382 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:52,339 money don't we all so we just got to see what the proposal 383 00:17:52,339 --> 00:17:53,480 is and see where 384 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:58,200 they're going on the phasing. Councilmember Briggs. So on 385 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,599 the the Brinker is that 386 00:18:01,599 --> 00:18:04,539 coming up in a separate slide or is this we want to talk 387 00:18:04,539 --> 00:18:06,880 about these two? So this 388 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:12,920 the the Brinker project the Luke 288 is here the Brinker is 389 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:13,680 here and then we're 390 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,490 doing a Texas U-turn at Mayhill for this project so 391 00:18:16,490 --> 00:18:17,960 essentially the movement 392 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,980 we're trying to add is coming northbound getting off the 393 00:18:20,980 --> 00:18:22,279 frontage road onto the 394 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:24,680 frontage road being able to turn into the development and 395 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,559 then coming back out 396 00:18:26,559 --> 00:18:30,190 and going back north because the southbound movement you've 397 00:18:30,190 --> 00:18:30,680 always got 398 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,720 the exit just past Luke 288 for State School Road which 399 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:34,519 gets you to Brinker 400 00:18:34,519 --> 00:18:37,279 and then they can get back out on the road and continue on 401 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:38,279 so that's the it's 402 00:18:38,279 --> 00:18:43,000 the north end movement and out north movement that doesn't 403 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:43,759 exist right now in 404 00:18:43,759 --> 00:18:49,599 the current phasing. Right and so OHL the issues are they 405 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:51,319 doing all of those three? 406 00:18:51,319 --> 00:18:56,289 Yes ma'am. OHL's contract is the Luke 288 bridge structure 407 00:18:56,289 --> 00:18:57,039 the Brinker bridge 408 00:18:57,039 --> 00:18:59,960 structure and the U-turn that's already open at Mayhill. 409 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:02,000 Okay. So OHL has all of 410 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:07,839 these as one as one project. Because there's been a lot of 411 00:19:07,839 --> 00:19:09,480 concern in the 412 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,210 community that Buc-E's was going to open before Brinker 413 00:19:13,210 --> 00:19:14,279 bridge and they were 414 00:19:14,279 --> 00:19:17,829 supposed to kind of go hand-in-hand. Correct. So the the 415 00:19:17,829 --> 00:19:19,799 residents in the community behind 416 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:24,940 Buc-E's are you know very nervous about what's going to 417 00:19:24,940 --> 00:19:27,160 happen. Do you feel 418 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,130 confident that the traffic can be managed with this phasing 419 00:19:31,130 --> 00:19:32,039 sequence? 420 00:19:32,039 --> 00:19:38,240 Absolutely not. No? Okay. This is like my third Buc-E's and 421 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,160 we did the last one in 422 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,119 Fort Worth and we had that open before we had the frontage 423 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:43,240 road completed and 424 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:48,450 the signals up and just to put it to not to find a point on 425 00:19:48,450 --> 00:19:50,200 it the schedule that 426 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,579 Buc-E's is on is the schedule that they've always been on. 427 00:19:53,579 --> 00:19:55,000 Our goal was to 428 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,349 hit that August 2018 timeframe. We don't have any control 429 00:19:59,349 --> 00:20:00,480 over the bidders that we 430 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,180 get. If we'd have gotten a decent bidder similar to SEMA 431 00:20:04,180 --> 00:20:05,440 and the other thing on 432 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,460 the Fort Worth Drive we learned from this job this job has 433 00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:09,759 about five thousand 434 00:20:09,759 --> 00:20:13,460 dollars a day in liquidated damages. That's nothing. The 435 00:20:13,460 --> 00:20:15,160 Fort Worth Drive one we 436 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,920 put fifteen thousand dollars a day in liquidated damages. 437 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,440 So we're learning on 438 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:24,049 these contractors. So OHL was the one that pushed our 439 00:20:24,049 --> 00:20:25,920 project out a year past 440 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,299 what it is and so what we're trying to do is this phasing 441 00:20:29,299 --> 00:20:30,559 will make the traffic 442 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:35,279 in that area better than not accommodating them once they 443 00:20:35,279 --> 00:20:36,640 open because 444 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:41,009 otherwise what they would have to do is if we don't give 445 00:20:41,009 --> 00:20:42,839 them the out and north 446 00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:45,950 movement then all the traffic will come down come to the 447 00:20:45,950 --> 00:20:47,279 mayhill make the u-turn 448 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:50,859 and come back and go north so a little impact mayhill more 449 00:20:50,859 --> 00:20:52,599 than it should. 450 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:54,960 Mayhill is already a crummy interchange right now that's 451 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,720 already updating it. So 452 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,740 accommodating them across in the construction zone should 453 00:21:02,740 --> 00:21:03,680 minimize the 454 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,589 traffic problems that are there because essentially all the 455 00:21:06,589 --> 00:21:07,359 turning movements 456 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,319 are available it's just going to be you know higher volumes 457 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:12,000 than what we have 458 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,640 currently because there's that's a destination location. 459 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,190 I'm not confident in anything. So the southbound frontage 460 00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:22,680 road the way that it 461 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,819 is now is it going to be that way for a long period of time 462 00:21:27,819 --> 00:21:30,119 that goes by Buckees? 463 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,470 Is that? That is the permanent location. So what we're 464 00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:35,440 doing on with 465 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,220 the mayhill job ultimately is flooring America's like 466 00:21:38,220 --> 00:21:39,319 somewhere in here is 467 00:21:39,319 --> 00:21:42,240 where that frontage road ends and I may be off a couple 468 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,440 hundred feet but the 469 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,890 mayhill project picks up that permanent pavement here and 470 00:21:45,890 --> 00:21:46,839 continues all the way 471 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:50,470 through so that the southbound structure that's why we're 472 00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:51,480 already acquiring the 473 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,940 right-of-way off of James Wood, Shogun, Exxon Mobil we're 474 00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:56,839 already buying that 475 00:21:56,839 --> 00:22:00,109 right-of-way even as we speak the state is. So we're gonna 476 00:22:00,109 --> 00:22:00,960 put both the 477 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,589 southbound and the northbound frontage road in its 478 00:22:03,589 --> 00:22:04,960 permanent location so we'll 479 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,230 be taking we'll be buying the right-of-way that's already 480 00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:09,000 been set back 481 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,880 by the hospital because they knew that was coming to put 482 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,000 the frontage road on 483 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,279 the northbound side in its permanent location so ultimately 484 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:15,920 once we're done 485 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:21,529 in this project 35e ultimately is built out in that area. 486 00:22:21,529 --> 00:22:22,240 The only thing that has 487 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,200 to be done after that is putting the managed lanes in the 488 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,519 proper location. Is 489 00:22:28,519 --> 00:22:31,710 there anything we've learned about you know what OHL has 490 00:22:31,710 --> 00:22:33,880 done that would make 491 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,029 us put things into contracts in the future that would 492 00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:38,200 prevent the same thing 493 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,829 happening again? Liquidated damages are something that Tech 494 00:22:40,829 --> 00:22:43,480 Stat is slowly trying to 495 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,460 increase but the problem is is that the staff level TechSt 496 00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:49,039 at has to follow the 497 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:52,839 laws that the legislature establishes and the legislature 498 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:54,440 hasn't given TechStat 499 00:22:54,440 --> 00:23:00,000 a whole lot of teeth to deal with contractors because the 500 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,200 what is it AGC 501 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,470 Association of General Contractors they've got a bigger 502 00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:05,519 lobby than the 503 00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:12,269 state staff does because they can't lobby and so AGC argues 504 00:23:12,269 --> 00:23:13,759 against any 505 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,259 improvements in the way we handle contractors because they 506 00:23:18,259 --> 00:23:19,000 go talk to 507 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:24,740 legislators and the problem is is we OHL just literally we 508 00:23:24,740 --> 00:23:26,119 had a meeting right 509 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,680 before they got awarded on this one where we were trying to 510 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,319 kick them off of 511 00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:32,150 the project just north of the airport where they were doing 512 00:23:32,150 --> 00:23:33,200 121 and all those 513 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:38,710 braided ramps it was so bad that the conversations were so 514 00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:40,000 heated that during 515 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,039 one of those meetings OHL said they were never going to 516 00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:42,839 work in the Dallas 517 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:44,750 district again they were just leaving the Dallas district 518 00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:45,359 and we were saying 519 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:50,680 good good riddance and then they bid on this job. Got it. 520 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,160 Imagine our consternation. 521 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,509 So we can't even get rid of a bad contractor even if if 522 00:23:57,509 --> 00:23:58,319 they're the 523 00:23:58,319 --> 00:24:00,759 lowest bid they're the lowest bid it's not lowest and best 524 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:01,319 the state does not 525 00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:07,039 do lowest and best it's lowest. Okay I know this is going 526 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:10,920 to come up later today too. So we had a meeting on Friday 527 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,059 we'll know more about the 528 00:24:12,059 --> 00:24:16,450 schedule and what we're planning on doing Friday after 529 00:24:16,450 --> 00:24:20,640 about 330. What's the 530 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,750 extent on this project on Mayhill is it just the u-turn or? 531 00:24:24,750 --> 00:24:25,640 Yeah that was it. 532 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:31,329 The intent was to well that was we were pushing to get 533 00:24:31,329 --> 00:24:34,559 Texas U-turn in lieu of 534 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,950 doing Brinker because they could just come out maybe U-turn 535 00:24:37,950 --> 00:24:39,279 and go north but 536 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:42,869 it was part of the project we went ahead and added it but 537 00:24:42,869 --> 00:24:44,279 we ended up adding 538 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:50,119 Brinker in total to that to the project as well. In the May 539 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,240 hill project the 540 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,079 previous one on the schedule that has not been bid or 541 00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:56,380 anything to that extent. No, no. We should be bid in 542 00:24:56,380 --> 00:24:57,680 December of next year. 543 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,920 Okay. Director Nelson. 544 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,920 Got there. How do you? 545 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,920 Clarified the Mayhill project. 546 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,799 The upcoming Mayhill project versus the small component of 547 00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:10,920 the existing O.H.L. project. 548 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,240 So Mayhill just to put in perspective Mayhill will be a 549 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,440 bigger bridge structure 550 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:23,549 than Loop 288 is because Loop 288 at that area is only four 551 00:25:23,549 --> 00:25:25,680 lanes. 2499 and 552 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,349 Mayhill are ultimately six so the Mayhill interchange will 553 00:25:28,349 --> 00:25:29,000 actually be a 554 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:36,000 larger bridge structure than 288 just in your own mind. And 555 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,400 that that should say 556 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,569 we're having trouble with O.H.L. we're gonna be meeting 557 00:25:39,569 --> 00:25:40,799 with them on Friday. 558 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:44,670 Alright so you 35 North project we've got some additional 559 00:25:44,670 --> 00:25:46,240 information here to 560 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,619 talk to you about. Just south of this project 380 down to 6 561 00:25:51,619 --> 00:25:53,200 35 is the what we 562 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,920 call the I-35E project that had the managed lanes in it. 563 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:56,759 And it was 564 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:00,630 environmentally cleared to this point right here. This 565 00:26:00,630 --> 00:26:02,279 project is going to be 566 00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:07,190 environmentally cleared in March plus or minus a month. So 567 00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:08,440 that's tomorrow in 568 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:13,279 textile world. We are pitching a proposal about a 420 569 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:15,240 million dollar proposal to 570 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:20,700 Austin. It was actually this is a project that we pushed 571 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:22,680 both with Textot and the 572 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:29,240 region in the past. For the 35E 35W merge if you go out 573 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:29,680 there to raise a 574 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,619 ranch you know this part of 35 does not function. But you 575 00:26:33,619 --> 00:26:35,119 don't do anything but 576 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,849 push the problem north if you don't get past 77. So we've 577 00:26:38,849 --> 00:26:41,359 got a proposal with 578 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:46,750 Textot and Austin on the clear lanes project for basically 579 00:26:46,750 --> 00:26:48,440 this area of 35 580 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,920 part 35W. You know how you if you come up 35W it drops down 581 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,480 to one lane to get on to 35? 582 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,829 That ultimately will be to continue the two lanes. So we're 583 00:26:57,829 --> 00:26:58,960 talking about 35W 584 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,309 35E from about North Texas Boulevard around all the way up 585 00:27:03,309 --> 00:27:04,400 to 77 building it 586 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,789 in its ultimate configuration which includes braided ramps 587 00:27:07,789 --> 00:27:08,839 on both sides of 588 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:16,960 the interstate and it's about 420 million bucks. So this 589 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,000 will morph on your on 590 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,710 your chart to be a combination of three different interst 591 00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:25,279 ates WE and 35 itself 592 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:29,720 and then then from 77 to North we're looking at Textot 593 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,200 using their their cat 594 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,519 $12 in the future to widen that part of the road. But if we 595 00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:36,759 can get past 77 which 596 00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:41,630 also includes a realignment of 1173 up to Bartol Road which 597 00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:42,200 is on your 598 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,309 thoroughfare plan then we've essentially solved all the 599 00:27:45,309 --> 00:27:47,240 Denton's traffic problems 600 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,970 on 35 in theory for now. I'm sorry I just don't know what 601 00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:54,240 cat $12 means. I just 602 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,240 don't know what cat $12. I'm sorry yes sir there are 12 603 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,200 categories of funding 604 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,369 that the state has and each one of them have a different 605 00:28:02,369 --> 00:28:03,940 use. Category 12 is 606 00:28:03,940 --> 00:28:07,069 called Commission discretionary funds and a subset of 607 00:28:07,069 --> 00:28:08,519 category 12 is also 608 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:13,289 called Clear Lanes. So we're gonna use part of the Clear L 609 00:28:13,289 --> 00:28:13,799 anes money in 610 00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:16,910 category 12 for the wish wishbone I'm gonna call it I don't 611 00:28:16,910 --> 00:28:17,799 want us to call it and 612 00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:21,670 then we're pushing Textot Austin to use their discretionary 613 00:28:21,670 --> 00:28:22,640 portion of category 614 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:28,630 12 for that remaining segment up to the county line. And 615 00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:30,799 then we'll send you I 616 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:35,609 think there's a glossary of terms that I use that y'all can 617 00:28:35,609 --> 00:28:36,359 refer to 618 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:42,039 occasionally. There you go. So basically what we had to do 619 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:42,640 the reason this is 620 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,519 March of 2019 is somewhere near Sanger we ran into a 621 00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:50,400 historically significant 622 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,960 ranch and the house which is in disrepair is within the 623 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,160 footprint of the 624 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,509 southbound frontage road. So instead of knocking down a dil 625 00:29:01,509 --> 00:29:02,880 apidated barn we got 626 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,640 to move an interstate over. So we're redoing the schematic 627 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,519 and that'll push 628 00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:12,109 the push the time schedule for the environmental clearance 629 00:29:12,109 --> 00:29:13,279 but it's still 630 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:15,950 in time. So this kind of gives you a better picture what I 631 00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:16,440 was talking about 632 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,359 here's 35 Eden like North Texas Boulevard here's 35 W and 633 00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:21,559 then here's 380. This is 634 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:25,599 the project up to 77 that we're planning on chasing for 635 00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:27,119 about 420 million 636 00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:31,470 we feel very confident we'll get it. So this is the W 637 00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:33,839 segment the Wishbone down 638 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:37,720 to the county line we're currently building the frontage 639 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,200 roads from 114 to 640 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,470 Eagle Parkway both north and southbound. HNTB is 641 00:29:43,470 --> 00:29:45,000 responsible for environmentally 642 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,839 clearing the entire corridor on this project sorry but we 643 00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:53,039 also have Jacobs on 644 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:56,799 contract and what they are doing says HNTB will utilize 645 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,119 Jacobs files and 646 00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:01,930 they're gonna be working on the frontage road so from 1171 647 00:30:01,930 --> 00:30:02,839 wherever that is I 648 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:09,559 think it's right here up to the railroad track right we are 649 00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:10,559 doing a frontage road 650 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:14,609 job we'll put the frontage roads on 35 W in its permanent 651 00:30:14,609 --> 00:30:16,079 location that'll open 652 00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:20,079 up all of that area for development permanent development 653 00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:20,680 because the frontage 654 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,660 roads will be in their permanent location and we feel 655 00:30:23,660 --> 00:30:24,759 fairly confident 656 00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:31,740 that while we do not have a schedule yet they are already 657 00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:33,160 doing the PS&E which is 658 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,509 the design document for the frontage road and assuming we 659 00:30:37,509 --> 00:30:38,559 get a environmental 660 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:40,960 clearance which worse we got rid of this it used to have a 661 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,640 date of 2020 but I was 662 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,750 telling you this is one of those jobs that once the 663 00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:46,720 mobility 2045 was approved 664 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,829 the environmental clearance would move up on this one well 665 00:30:50,829 --> 00:30:52,119 we're recalculating 666 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:54,960 the sandbox schedule and we'll have a schedule for the 667 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,240 environmental clearance 668 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,559 on this project because we need this cleared too for our 669 00:30:58,559 --> 00:30:59,559 Wishbone project for 670 00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:04,039 the 420 million dollar job so it's got a priority and once 671 00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:05,299 it's cleared you can 672 00:31:05,299 --> 00:31:07,500 build pieces however you want they're already doing the 673 00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:08,400 design work for the 674 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,200 frontage roads so we're fairly confident that in the next 675 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,920 five years this will be 676 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,940 under construction the frontage road project will be under 677 00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:17,579 construction as 678 00:31:17,579 --> 00:31:19,720 well 679 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:26,700 380 Luke 288 intersection now this is temporary you know we 680 00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:27,480 extended that 681 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,829 right turn lane but that contract only allowed us to do so 682 00:31:31,829 --> 00:31:32,640 far south I'm 683 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,220 talking to you primarily we're gonna get that further south 684 00:31:36,220 --> 00:31:37,400 on the next contract 685 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,240 and it'll extend but it's still it's working better now but 686 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,279 we left this in 687 00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:49,420 so we can say completed on it now we'll take it off us 380 688 00:31:49,420 --> 00:31:50,880 East this is basically 689 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,430 Luke 288 the green section the region is green is going 690 00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:55,440 over the green belt area 691 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,359 with the lake this is being done in house by text that this 692 00:31:58,359 --> 00:31:59,680 project from 693 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,549 here over to the county line is being done by two 694 00:32:03,549 --> 00:32:05,640 engineering firms it's 695 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,509 trans systems and white oak engineering then we are 696 00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:11,200 acquiring right away in this 697 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,099 corridor even as we speak so we're anticipating a June of 698 00:32:15,099 --> 00:32:17,119 19 which is next 699 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:19,920 summer sorry about that next summer environmental clearance 700 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,960 the project is 701 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,309 fully funded a little over 130 million dollars so by May of 702 00:32:25,309 --> 00:32:26,380 2021 because once 703 00:32:26,380 --> 00:32:28,829 we acquire the right away we have to relocate the utilities 704 00:32:28,829 --> 00:32:29,240 mostly at 705 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:35,880 intersections and then then we can go to construction so 706 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,079 again just about every 707 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,710 way in and out of Denton in about three years we'll all be 708 00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:41,500 torn up and under 709 00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:51,430 construction so be encouraged Luke 288 West so this is 710 00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:54,480 north and that's south 711 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,349 again we're looking at we moved this up a little bit from 712 00:32:58,349 --> 00:32:59,680 December to September 713 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,779 I think we're still going to beat that date that'll allow 714 00:33:02,779 --> 00:33:04,000 us to begin right away 715 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,200 acquisition sooner which means we can probably get this 716 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,519 date beat which means 717 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:11,279 that we can probably get one of these dates ready to let 718 00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:12,519 sooner and remember 719 00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:16,150 we just passed a resolution saying that and I the way up 720 00:33:16,150 --> 00:33:17,319 the way I worded it 721 00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:21,670 when I sent the resolution to text that was if enough funds 722 00:33:21,670 --> 00:33:23,240 aren't found to 723 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,299 construct the entire facility we prefer the northbound 724 00:33:26,299 --> 00:33:27,480 frontage road to be built 725 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:32,410 first so we're not giving up on you know the half a billion 726 00:33:32,410 --> 00:33:33,220 dollars it takes to 727 00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:37,670 build this road in the interim and ultimate but the intent 728 00:33:37,670 --> 00:33:40,039 is by 2022 some 729 00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:45,660 portion of the loop is put out to construction for for a 730 00:33:45,660 --> 00:33:46,720 bid to construct 731 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,859 that's member breaks so on this going back to the the 732 00:33:51,859 --> 00:33:53,240 little map that you had 733 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:59,569 earlier for 35 if I look at it the the loop extension 734 00:33:59,569 --> 00:34:02,240 crosses that yes so right 735 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,320 up here this is this is 288 so 380 somewhere down here 736 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,599 somewhere in here 737 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:12,519 right here I think I'm just making sure those improvements 738 00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:14,679 will be done ahead of 739 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:20,519 ahead of the loop coming in so yes and no okay so the 35 740 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:23,639 job will build and do 741 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:29,360 the direct connects for on the east side the 288 job will 742 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,440 build and design the 743 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:37,800 direct connects on the west side and then on 35 W the 288 744 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,719 job will build the 745 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,219 direct connects on the west side and then the 35 W will go 746 00:34:44,219 --> 00:34:45,719 in and and tear up 747 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,920 vintage and remove this neighborhood and put in direct 748 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,559 connects there just 749 00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:53,349 kidding that was a joke there won't be any direct connects 750 00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:53,960 on this side of the 751 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,010 road so it'll just be a normal box normal diamond 752 00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:59,599 interchange and can you 753 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:03,110 just give me a better idea of what's coming first and since 754 00:35:03,110 --> 00:35:03,840 we're not fully 755 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,190 funded for the loop if we're only part partly funded how 756 00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:10,559 all that works okay so 757 00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:13,829 I apologize I should probably have you give you a schematic 758 00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:15,000 but you know how on 759 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,780 your interstate highways you have a frontage road that goes 760 00:35:17,780 --> 00:35:19,119 one way they 761 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,320 have the main lanes and you have another friends going the 762 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,840 other way what we 763 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,760 would build if we only have enough money is the northbound 764 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,739 the inside frontage 765 00:35:27,739 --> 00:35:31,889 road because that would set your line for development but 766 00:35:31,889 --> 00:35:33,239 it would operate as 767 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,780 a two-lane two-way road in the interim but we'd go ahead 768 00:35:36,780 --> 00:35:37,719 and buy all the 769 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,610 right-of-way needed because you only want to bother these 770 00:35:39,610 --> 00:35:40,239 property owners 771 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,949 once so you'd buy that 450 feet but you'd only build the 772 00:35:43,949 --> 00:35:45,000 northbound frontage 773 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,260 river if we don't if we don't have enough money to do it 774 00:35:47,260 --> 00:35:48,440 all of it it would 775 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,269 be the northbound frontage road and all of the subst 776 00:35:51,269 --> 00:35:52,639 ructures for the bridge 777 00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:54,530 structures that it would have to go over because you only 778 00:35:54,530 --> 00:35:55,159 want to build those 779 00:35:55,159 --> 00:36:00,320 bridges once as well so that's the that's the minimum we 780 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,400 want to do phase 781 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:08,159 one on 288 whether or not 288 beats the frontage roads that 782 00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:09,159 we're doing from the 783 00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:14,130 railroad track south to 1171 or whether the wishbone which 784 00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:14,519 is already 785 00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:19,039 environmentally cleared beats 288 or this port of 35 we don 786 00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:19,719 't know yet because 787 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,269 they're all horse race they're all out of the gate they're 788 00:36:22,269 --> 00:36:23,039 all running we don't 789 00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:26,940 know who's gonna cross okay we're gonna try to manage it 790 00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:30,239 though okay thank you 791 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:35,380 you know I realize you're half kidding when you're talking 792 00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:36,719 about before how you 793 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,019 know in a certain period of time every rate way in and out 794 00:36:39,019 --> 00:36:39,800 it's gonna be torn 795 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,030 up and under construction but is there a part of the 796 00:36:42,030 --> 00:36:44,920 process where kind of you 797 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,550 know lay these things on top of each other is a process we 798 00:36:47,550 --> 00:36:48,719 tried to that but 799 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:53,070 what happens is when the money comes you got to go 800 00:36:53,070 --> 00:36:54,320 understood I'm not trying to 801 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,150 try to talk about in you know doing or not doing or 802 00:36:57,150 --> 00:36:59,039 changing sequence or anything 803 00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:01,980 but just do we lay them on top of each other and then say 804 00:37:01,980 --> 00:37:03,239 all right what's our 805 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:08,250 what's our survival plan during this actually yes you're a 806 00:37:08,250 --> 00:37:09,199 city manager asked 807 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:11,829 us to put together kind of an overlay of all these and we 808 00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:13,159 were in the process of 809 00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:17,000 doing that because you're right I mean you got 2181 you got 810 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:17,900 Mayhill you got 811 00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:21,659 35 you got 35 a you got 35 w you know you got Bonnie Bray I 812 00:37:21,659 --> 00:37:22,599 mean you got a lot 813 00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:26,230 of projects that are overlapping and what we try to do we 814 00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:27,519 're gonna try to do 815 00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:30,699 is put the timelines down in the construction period that 816 00:37:30,699 --> 00:37:31,440 color will be 817 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,829 in red and you'll be able to see where these roads overlap 818 00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:36,500 in months on what 819 00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:39,130 those projects are overlapping each other on so that's what 820 00:37:39,130 --> 00:37:39,440 we're we're 821 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,269 working on right now I just know from knock on doors that 822 00:37:44,269 --> 00:37:44,840 the thing that 823 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,869 people find most frustrating is when we go well that's 824 00:37:47,869 --> 00:37:49,119 textile you know and 825 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,420 that's local sorry that you have absolutely no way out of 826 00:37:52,420 --> 00:37:52,760 your 827 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:58,059 neighborhood you know like except to and I'll tell you we 828 00:37:58,059 --> 00:37:59,239 were meeting with oh 829 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,210 right we were meeting with OHL last I mean that's what one 830 00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:02,719 of the things we 831 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,670 beat them over the head with is that this isn't just an 832 00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:06,840 interstate project 833 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,800 you've got five different inner changes in the city or 834 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,840 county seat that are are 835 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,190 detrimentally impacted by your apathy is the word I used 836 00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:18,800 they asked me not to 837 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,599 attend the next meeting 838 00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:26,239 next time one of the things that we are working diligently 839 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,719 with text on ITS has 840 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,769 been involved with pre Tams engaged and marks engaged is 841 00:38:31,769 --> 00:38:33,679 that there are different 842 00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:36,400 levels of communication plans that the state engages in 843 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,320 depending on what 844 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,670 project they're actually working on so like an I-35e that 845 00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:43,079 got a whole different 846 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,869 level of communication now when you get into a project like 847 00:38:46,869 --> 00:38:48,079 these more local 848 00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:51,000 projects and to text out this would be a local project even 849 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,000 though to us it's a 850 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,239 very big project it really falls more on staff city staff 851 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:56,920 to make sure that 852 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,389 communication goes out so it's a partnership between both 853 00:38:59,389 --> 00:39:00,119 entities and 854 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:03,519 this project is still so early in the planning and design 855 00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:04,599 phase that we still 856 00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:06,750 only have a good feel on when they're really gonna go 857 00:39:06,750 --> 00:39:07,719 because we hear we're 858 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,800 gonna go and which that's better than what we've heard them 859 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,119 pass which is it's 860 00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:17,260 gonna go now it's we're gonna go but it's defining when 861 00:39:17,260 --> 00:39:18,559 does that gonna start 862 00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:21,829 so we can start prepping the public for what's going on and 863 00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:23,000 merge that with our 864 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,719 capital projects 865 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,719 glad it's on everyone's radar 866 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,750 and he was not kidding about every road being torn up it's 867 00:39:34,750 --> 00:39:37,159 just not all exactly 868 00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:40,480 at the same time but every road will be torn up going in 869 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,760 and out of yes and I 870 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:50,949 live right here in this area so I'm a I call I let text 871 00:39:50,949 --> 00:39:51,920 that know that I'm one 872 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,269 of the daily inspectors on a project so I just got to where 873 00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:57,320 I was driving to the 874 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,829 OHL project not text all of them because there's a group 875 00:39:59,829 --> 00:40:00,719 message about said 876 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,719 there's nobody out here 877 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:11,639 alright 1515 is the project going into the airport LTRA has 878 00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:12,920 this project we're 879 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,300 looking at a December 2020 environmental clearance and 880 00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:18,559 essentially the city is 881 00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:23,050 the client for lack of a better word on this because in 882 00:40:23,050 --> 00:40:24,679 theory what we want to do 883 00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:28,150 is once we widen it get steak to widen it they'll ask us to 884 00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:29,360 take it off system 885 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,929 you know be a six lane divided Boulevard with you know text 886 00:40:32,929 --> 00:40:34,119 that design criteria 887 00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:36,750 that's still up for you guys to answer whether you want to 888 00:40:36,750 --> 00:40:38,280 or not but in case 889 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,659 that's a situation your staff wants to be intimately 890 00:40:41,659 --> 00:40:43,280 involved in making sure 891 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,679 that what you get is what you want so I don't overstep my 892 00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:48,719 boundaries 893 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:53,250 so this is one of those items that we're getting a lot more 894 00:40:53,250 --> 00:40:54,880 engaged in knowing 895 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,929 that the state's preference would be to turn this over from 896 00:40:57,929 --> 00:40:59,119 my perspective I 897 00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,389 would argue that since it's really the entrance to both our 898 00:41:02,389 --> 00:41:03,480 industrial park or 899 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,599 region for lack of a better term and the airport that we 900 00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,559 would eventually want to 901 00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:12,909 take this over so as a precursor to that we've got a 902 00:41:12,909 --> 00:41:14,920 project manager on staff 903 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,420 who's engaged in that project now a lot more vested than we 904 00:41:18,420 --> 00:41:19,639 had been in the past 905 00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:22,590 so they they are more engaged through the design process 906 00:41:22,590 --> 00:41:23,559 and what we're looking 907 00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:26,949 at along with having pre-tambent on those discussions that 908 00:41:26,949 --> 00:41:29,199 's what breaks so 909 00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:32,989 regarding that I see the the dollar amount up there so who 910 00:41:32,989 --> 00:41:34,199 would the state 911 00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:37,480 go ahead and pay for that and then we would then take over 912 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,559 that and then have 913 00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:41,619 the maintenance of those lanes not to speak for John 914 00:41:41,619 --> 00:41:42,800 because he does a better 915 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,119 job of explaining all that than I do but it's very similar 916 00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:47,519 to what we're doing on 917 00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:50,070 both the Locust and Elm turn backs and what happened with 918 00:41:50,070 --> 00:41:50,960 McKinney except the 919 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,050 McKinney we got it turned opposite the state's gonna do 920 00:41:54,050 --> 00:41:55,159 this construction 921 00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:57,789 they'll pay for that and then ultimately we will have to 922 00:41:57,789 --> 00:41:58,800 commit to a maintenance 923 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,190 agreement or turn over the right away long term okay but to 924 00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:04,239 put a fine point 925 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:09,670 on it the city I think this engineering group has noticed 926 00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:11,179 some shortfalls and 927 00:42:11,179 --> 00:42:14,559 some of your pavement design criteria in the past and they 928 00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:16,199 they are making that 929 00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:20,550 more robust but a textile design criteria is significantly 930 00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:21,280 more robust 931 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,739 than typical normal City Street because it has to carry at 932 00:42:25,739 --> 00:42:27,320 least 56,000 pounds 933 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,670 of weight or better and so they have they build a far more 934 00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:33,039 robust facility 935 00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:37,369 than normally what some cities do y'all are increasing y' 936 00:42:37,369 --> 00:42:39,059 all's criteria even as 937 00:42:39,059 --> 00:42:45,199 we speak. Member Tim? On this project my biggest concern is 938 00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:46,400 its interaction with 939 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,929 so many other projects going on you've got the 35 W service 940 00:42:50,929 --> 00:42:51,920 road project you've 941 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,880 got the Bonnie Bray project you've got the horseshoe 942 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,280 project and so the quicker 943 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,010 we can get designs on the ground for this that may need to 944 00:43:01,010 --> 00:43:02,159 be adjusted for 945 00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:08,000 those but so that we know because you know I travel Bonnie 946 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,239 Bray to this 947 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,679 connection quite frequently and there's a whole lot more 948 00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:15,199 traffic on Airport Road 949 00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:17,829 that now it's all gonna be Bonnie Bray and they're gonna 950 00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:18,559 get backed up on 951 00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:22,460 Airport that we've got to figure that out as quick as 952 00:43:22,460 --> 00:43:23,119 possible. 953 00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:26,510 Right and the phase three construction that will be going 954 00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:27,719 on Bonnie Bray which 955 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,250 is our segment right in front of Apigee Stadium that should 956 00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:32,280 be ahead of this 957 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,429 that project I believe is slated to bid late next year when 958 00:43:35,429 --> 00:43:36,519 this project will 959 00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:39,909 really be kicking into the next phase of design I believe 960 00:43:39,909 --> 00:43:41,159 so we should be ahead 961 00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:44,539 of their construction schedule and then we'll obviously be 962 00:43:44,539 --> 00:43:45,719 working with TechStot 963 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,260 like we do on a monthly basis or even sometimes every 964 00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:49,639 couple of weeks meet 965 00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:51,820 with them about these projects to make sure we're all on 966 00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:52,679 the same page about 967 00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:58,199 what's going on when. So ultimately once we get some heads 968 00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:00,599 up on that $420 969 00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:03,980 million dollar project that will be a regularly ongoing 970 00:44:03,980 --> 00:44:05,280 staff to staff meeting 971 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,110 that we have every two weeks with TechStot Dallas and Dent 972 00:44:08,110 --> 00:44:09,239 on office with 973 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,969 city staff and appropriate staff to make sure that Bonnie 974 00:44:12,969 --> 00:44:16,199 Bray 1515 35 W 35 E 975 00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:22,440 North Texas Boulevard 35 380 288 1173 all of these things 976 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,320 are not forgetting 977 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:31,440 the other. So you mentioned that the design was still you 978 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:31,920 were still thinking 979 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,039 about going six lanes and that was something that you 980 00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:35,920 needed to work on 981 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,269 would that decision come to this committee? Six lanes on 15 982 00:44:40,269 --> 00:44:41,400 15? Yeah. 983 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:48,119 1515 is proposed as a six lane divided. Okay so that that's 984 00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:48,920 it six 985 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,880 lane divided. Well I mean it's not environmentally cleared 986 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,199 yet but that's our intent. 987 00:44:54,199 --> 00:45:00,119 Unless that's not our intent. The intent right now based on 988 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:01,280 especially the use in 989 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,000 the area when you're going into the airport and you have 990 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:03,579 the industrial 991 00:45:03,579 --> 00:45:06,340 complex Peterbilt everything that's going in that area for 992 00:45:06,340 --> 00:45:07,340 the beef for that to be 993 00:45:07,340 --> 00:45:11,250 six lanes now as it goes over I-35 that may change because 994 00:45:11,250 --> 00:45:12,440 we're going into 995 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,070 Bonnie Bray which would be a four lane facility long term. 996 00:45:15,070 --> 00:45:16,320 So you'll see some of 997 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,780 those roadways peel off to go to different directions as 998 00:45:18,780 --> 00:45:19,480 you get closer 999 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:24,409 to the interstate. Yeah I have an issue with a large road 1000 00:45:24,409 --> 00:45:25,400 coming into a small 1001 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,750 road it seems. Well that's a sooner there but I'm glad that 1002 00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:30,519 TechStot is doing it 1003 00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:34,000 because there will be a lot of heavy trucks and so that 1004 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,039 would be very important. 1005 00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:38,010 Part of our coordination with city staff is to go do a lot 1006 00:45:38,010 --> 00:45:38,920 of outreach with these 1007 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,679 industrial because they have definite phasing of their 1008 00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,719 ships so LTRA's job 1009 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,349 once we get some general idea on the basics of what we want 1010 00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:50,960 to build part of 1011 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,469 their job will be to work with city staff and those 1012 00:45:54,469 --> 00:45:56,079 individual users out 1013 00:45:56,079 --> 00:46:01,219 there to determine what their schedules are for shift 1014 00:46:01,219 --> 00:46:03,159 changes and make sure that 1015 00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:06,239 our phasing of that project is consistent with that 1016 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,239 movement. There's an 1017 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,639 added component with 1515 that's part of the master 1018 00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:13,239 thoroughfare plan update both 1019 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:18,679 loop 288 West and where it ties back into 35W and FM 1515 1020 00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:20,079 are two kind of 1021 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:23,400 east-west connections. What we're looking to provide with 1022 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:23,760 the master 1023 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,849 thoroughfare plan is how do you achieve what you're most 1024 00:46:26,849 --> 00:46:27,920 concerned about which 1025 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,739 is taking a four lane facility that's really designed to 1026 00:46:30,739 --> 00:46:31,679 move heavy trucks 1027 00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:34,989 heavy equipment back and forth to the interstate isolating 1028 00:46:34,989 --> 00:46:35,679 them to the 1029 00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:38,610 interstate and not on to Bonnie Bray. So we do that through 1030 00:46:38,610 --> 00:46:39,599 a lot of geometric 1031 00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,389 changes in the way the roadways configured to make sure 1032 00:46:42,389 --> 00:46:43,079 that we give 1033 00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:45,489 them the best possible alternatives in their worst-case 1034 00:46:45,489 --> 00:46:46,519 scenario we'll have to 1035 00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:49,340 do some signage and things but that's where we're working 1036 00:46:49,340 --> 00:46:50,199 with LTRA to make 1037 00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:53,960 sure that we get the same process and mindset across as we 1038 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,159 don't want those 1039 00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:58,550 trucks going over to Bonnie Bray but you have to provide 1040 00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:59,159 the facilities for 1041 00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:03,510 them to get to the major interstate so that they'll stay 1042 00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:04,199 away from it. 1043 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:15,679 1830 it's a shoulder job that's done and 1173 is the 1044 00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:16,760 project we were talking 1045 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,110 about earlier we have Garver on this and they're now part 1046 00:47:21,110 --> 00:47:23,480 of our on system task 1047 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:29,320 force this is a showing you where FM 1173 currently exists 1048 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,840 but it will ride 1049 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,230 about where this 1173 sign is it'll turn north and go along 1050 00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:36,000 Bartol Road and tie 1051 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,590 in with this alignment here so the actual drawing that 1052 00:47:40,590 --> 00:47:41,719 schematic that 1053 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,099 Garver's doing doesn't stay on existing it moves up and 1054 00:47:45,099 --> 00:47:47,079 gets to Bartol Road so 1055 00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:49,780 we'll make a change on this map to show that but we think 1056 00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:51,119 the schematic will be 1057 00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:55,519 approved next month and then they'll start the 1058 00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:57,760 environmental document on it 1059 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:03,599 and that is all I have unless there's something else that I 1060 00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:05,679 don't know. 1061 00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:17,909 Okay thank you so much. Feel better. All right good we 1062 00:48:17,909 --> 00:48:21,519 still have time for a good 1063 00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:25,320 discussion on item D. Receive a report hold a discussion 1064 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,320 and provide direction 1065 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,110 of the North Central Texas Council of Government 1066 00:48:28,110 --> 00:48:29,280 Metropolitan Transportation 1067 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:34,420 Plan policy bundles and transportation development credits. 1068 00:48:34,420 --> 00:48:38,599 So as part of North 1069 00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:41,230 Central Texas Council of Governments effort to really the 1070 00:48:41,230 --> 00:48:42,159 MPO metropolitan 1071 00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:46,510 planning organizations effort to address certain air 1072 00:48:46,510 --> 00:48:47,599 quality and 1073 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:52,519 environmental issues region wide they have over the course 1074 00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:54,360 of the years put 1075 00:48:54,360 --> 00:49:03,449 forward different policies resolutions ordinances that 1076 00:49:03,449 --> 00:49:05,159 cities agencies whether 1077 00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:10,289 it's a local local government in terms of a municipality or 1078 00:49:10,289 --> 00:49:11,639 a county or school 1079 00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:15,269 district where they can adopt certain policies one of those 1080 00:49:15,269 --> 00:49:16,280 might be the clean 1081 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,630 fleet ordinance which the city of Denton has has adopted. 1082 00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:23,400 So what what the what the 1083 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,130 MPO is trying to do is address air quality in one sense as 1084 00:49:27,130 --> 00:49:28,079 well as address 1085 00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:33,500 certain other development issues region wide and so to 1086 00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:35,679 serve as a as a carrot if 1087 00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:38,800 you will they've come up with the program called a policy 1088 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,159 bundle. 1089 00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,309 There's a number of different policies you've got that in 1090 00:49:41,309 --> 00:49:42,360 your backup there's 1091 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:47,500 about 20 different policies that the city of Denton might 1092 00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:48,760 wish to or have or 1093 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,280 have in some cases already adopted or falling if not 1094 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,360 technically the letter of 1095 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,760 the law but within the spirit of the law and so or of the 1096 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,559 policy and so what 1097 00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:06,909 what the MPO has done is develop this policy bundle that if 1098 00:50:06,909 --> 00:50:08,079 an entity such as 1099 00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:13,429 the city of Denton adopts 10 of the 20 policies or has some 1100 00:50:13,429 --> 00:50:14,440 variation 1101 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:19,599 implemented almost different policies then they're eligible 1102 00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:20,679 for transportation 1103 00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:25,400 development credits. These transportation development 1104 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,880 credits are really some 1105 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,610 folks call them monopoly money but really what they hire is 1106 00:50:30,610 --> 00:50:31,400 just it's a 1107 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:36,800 it's a trading of a financial credit from one region to the 1108 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,480 other and so these 1109 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,159 development credits are then available to be applied 1110 00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:45,360 towards the local match so 1111 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:51,880 if the city say had a $100,000 sidewalk project out there 1112 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:52,360 and it was going to 1113 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,769 meet you know the federal standards then we could if if we 1114 00:50:57,769 --> 00:50:59,400 had this policy bundle 1115 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,750 in place we could apply for that particular project and 1116 00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:05,000 then apply if 1117 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,000 we're eligible apply for the transfer you know to use those 1118 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:08,639 transportation 1119 00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:12,489 development credits. Where we are right now is we have 1120 00:51:12,489 --> 00:51:13,320 approximately six of 1121 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,099 these policies in place and we have about three or four 1122 00:51:16,099 --> 00:51:17,079 other right on the 1123 00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:21,750 cusp. I'm working through with the different subject matter 1124 00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:22,960 experts at the 1125 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,639 Council of Governments to see do certain activities 1126 00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:28,760 actually 1127 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,900 meet the the spirit or the letter of their particular 1128 00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:35,480 policy or resolution. 1129 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:40,269 Case in point DME has some copper theft activities that 1130 00:51:40,269 --> 00:51:41,960 they put in place around 1131 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,460 their substations and then around some areas that they have 1132 00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:47,320 experienced copper 1133 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,610 theft they put up actual game cameras and so trying to see 1134 00:51:50,610 --> 00:51:51,559 if that one will 1135 00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:56,039 check the box. Another one you might see in this in this 1136 00:51:56,039 --> 00:52:00,119 list of policies is a 1137 00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:04,469 is the stormwater management. I've been in touch with with 1138 00:52:04,469 --> 00:52:05,000 the Council of 1139 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:10,840 Government with our environmental experts here on staff and 1140 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,119 we're an integrated 1141 00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:16,639 storm management city we're silver rated and so what that 1142 00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:18,079 what that means is we 1143 00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:23,219 do certain things to address channel maintenance, flip- 1144 00:52:23,219 --> 00:52:25,239 plane development as 1145 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:30,380 well as verify and you know the end goal is enhance or 1146 00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:32,400 improve quality of runoff 1147 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:37,800 stormwater runoff and so because we are silver rated on 1148 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:38,840 that one of the 1149 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,119 questions is does that does that meet does that meet the 1150 00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:43,159 litmus test for this 1151 00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:47,039 particular policy. So we've got a couple others that are 1152 00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:48,639 along the same lines 1153 00:52:48,639 --> 00:52:53,139 what I can tell you right now for clean fleet we do have a 1154 00:52:53,139 --> 00:52:54,280 clean fleet. 1155 00:52:54,280 --> 00:53:04,130 So we okay so we do have clean fleet ordinance in place we 1156 00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:04,639 have an idling 1157 00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:09,079 restriction we've we've got that in place railroad safety 1158 00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:09,679 we're moving 1159 00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:14,039 forward with the quiet zone so that so that meets on copper 1160 00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:15,159 theft that's a 1161 00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:18,599 that's an asterisk stormwater management that's an asterisk 1162 00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:19,760 complete streets 1163 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:24,960 because of our our comprehensive development plan does 1164 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:25,719 include complete 1165 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,110 streets we're trying to verify if if that section of that 1166 00:53:29,110 --> 00:53:30,159 of that document 1167 00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:36,769 will meet the intent of this policy bundle. That would also 1168 00:53:36,769 --> 00:53:38,159 fall in and play 1169 00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:41,699 with land use strategies on the parking management if you 1170 00:53:41,699 --> 00:53:42,800 'll notice the bottom 1171 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,150 line and I apologize the the the tables a little bit small 1172 00:53:47,150 --> 00:53:47,760 but it talks about 1173 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,340 shared parking on-street parking provisions by bicycle 1174 00:53:51,340 --> 00:53:52,400 parking parking 1175 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,210 management technologies parking districts again working 1176 00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:56,840 with the 1177 00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,670 University of North Texas that you know we've we interface 1178 00:53:59,670 --> 00:54:00,800 with them in terms of 1179 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,179 managing some of the on-street parking around around and 1180 00:54:04,179 --> 00:54:05,840 within the campus so 1181 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,949 trying to determine whether that would be eligible. Safe 1182 00:54:08,949 --> 00:54:10,440 access to school as you 1183 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,269 know we've got a couple of projects moving forward on safe 1184 00:54:13,269 --> 00:54:14,639 access to school 1185 00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:19,840 that one that one I understand meets and then on the school 1186 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,119 siting coordination 1187 00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:24,610 that's one of the things that we've been working with DISD 1188 00:54:24,610 --> 00:54:25,880 as you may know on 1189 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,039 the on the new high school proposal and Bonnie Bray we've 1190 00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:30,360 also worked with him a 1191 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:37,349 little bit before they or right after they established the 1192 00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:38,760 site for Braswell 1193 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,719 High School out on 380 and brought a number of issues to a 1194 00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:43,800 head at that point 1195 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,599 in time we've we've met two or three times with the school 1196 00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:48,199 district with the 1197 00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:52,039 Council of Government with TexDOT to see how we can work on 1198 00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:53,360 doing a little bit 1199 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,679 better with the school site and again what what the Council 1200 00:54:56,679 --> 00:54:57,360 of Government is 1201 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,300 concerned with is that they go out and they put a bunch of 1202 00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:02,440 money as Mr. 1203 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,699 Pulsar was mentioning and some of those projects put a 1204 00:55:04,699 --> 00:55:05,719 bunch of money into a 1205 00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,519 particular project and then a school comes in you just open 1206 00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:10,400 the capacity and 1207 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,519 the school comes in during peak hour peak a.m. and peak p.m 1208 00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:15,559 . periods and 1209 00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:18,829 constricts the with a school zone so those are some of the 1210 00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:19,760 things they're 1211 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,840 trying to work around and then the final one that we do 1212 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,840 have in place is the 1213 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,599 transit funding level 2 we do have a you know dedicated 1214 00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:29,960 sales tax and a member of 1215 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,139 a transit authority so that one does meet so I'm 1216 00:55:33,139 --> 00:55:34,760 anticipating over the next 1217 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:39,699 two months we'll be able to verify and and maybe be back in 1218 00:55:39,699 --> 00:55:40,800 front of this 1219 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,320 committee with a with a more finalized application to 1220 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,079 submit for for these 1221 00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:49,980 transportation development credits I think I was keeping an 1222 00:55:49,980 --> 00:55:50,519 accurate count 1223 00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:53,460 that you hit about ten as you're going through right that's 1224 00:55:53,460 --> 00:55:54,199 and how many do we 1225 00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:58,159 need to we have we have we have the six and we've got about 1226 00:55:58,159 --> 00:55:59,079 four or five that 1227 00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:05,000 are that are tentative yeah but between what we have and 1228 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,840 what we might have I 1229 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,710 think that we actually get to the number they that's 1230 00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:11,280 correct 1231 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,920 I was just gonna say browsing through these and just 1232 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,039 looking at them I could 1233 00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:20,130 relate to certain things that we had or we discussed in 1234 00:56:20,130 --> 00:56:22,199 just a couple of things 1235 00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:27,840 we do have a joint didn't ISD meeting with council and if 1236 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:28,360 this is something 1237 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,670 that we need to put on that agenda to discuss to meet this 1238 00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:32,440 criteria right 1239 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,789 because it said you know discussion should be had then 1240 00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:37,719 maybe we could go 1241 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:42,860 ahead and look into that and check that one off I do know 1242 00:56:42,860 --> 00:56:46,039 that the land use 1243 00:56:46,039 --> 00:56:48,800 there's some of these things here under the policy that we 1244 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:49,840 've talked about in 1245 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,599 our code rewrite as we're going through those discussions 1246 00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:53,679 so maybe getting with 1247 00:56:53,679 --> 00:56:59,170 Scott and planning and seeing what's upcoming and question 1248 00:56:59,170 --> 00:57:00,840 the employer trip 1249 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,980 reduction because I have seen that DCTA has certain certain 1250 00:57:05,980 --> 00:57:07,119 passes and they have 1251 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:11,090 a new program now with individual businesses like an 1252 00:57:11,090 --> 00:57:13,159 employee pass and so 1253 00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:16,300 it's trying to reduce the traffic on the streets I don't 1254 00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:17,000 know if that would 1255 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,940 qualify or we actually have and I can run that one to 1256 00:57:21,940 --> 00:57:23,199 ground we've done some 1257 00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:28,340 stuff with DCTA with a number of well it's back to the 1258 00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:29,840 volume discount 1259 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:37,909 whereby certain employees were able to receive the volume 1260 00:57:37,909 --> 00:57:39,639 discount if there was 1261 00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:43,280 X number of total employees buying monthly passes and we 1262 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,440 had that in place 1263 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,630 a couple of years ago I don't know that those employees are 1264 00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:48,559 continuing to use 1265 00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:52,530 the DCTA transit service primarily the rails what they were 1266 00:57:52,530 --> 00:57:53,480 looking for that 1267 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,829 they were employees over at the at City Hall E so I'll look 1268 00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:58,639 into that and see if 1269 00:57:58,639 --> 00:58:01,119 there's still some opportunities for that as well 1270 00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:04,969 John you had a comment so in my other life I used to do 1271 00:58:04,969 --> 00:58:06,239 employer trip reduction 1272 00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:09,409 programs for a lot of entities around California because 1273 00:58:09,409 --> 00:58:11,159 they couldn't open up 1274 00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:15,010 their stores without having met San Diego's San Francisco's 1275 00:58:15,010 --> 00:58:15,920 employer trip 1276 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,000 reduction program and some of the things they would 1277 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,639 incentivize so you'd have to 1278 00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:24,539 get 10% of your employees there some of the means besides a 1279 00:58:24,539 --> 00:58:25,800 gas-powered vehicle 1280 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,369 but they let you do offsets if you put four or five parking 1281 00:58:29,369 --> 00:58:30,360 stalls in your 1282 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,880 parking lot for electric vehicles if you'd agree to pay for 1283 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,480 some bus stops 1284 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,039 somewhere near in the low round here so there's a lot of 1285 00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:41,000 ways that you can do an 1286 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,679 employer trip reduction incentive program to meet the 1287 00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:44,440 criteria without 1288 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,789 making it draconian on them they can have a slew of 1289 00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:51,119 alternatives bike racks 1290 00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:56,500 showers for bicyclists like that there's a lot of ways to 1291 00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:57,000 do it 1292 00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,710 well I view this as sort of like a bribe to do something 1293 00:59:00,710 --> 00:59:02,360 that you mostly want to 1294 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:12,139 do anyway so it starts out as a carrot and I'll just say I 1295 00:59:12,139 --> 00:59:14,840 talked to mark 1296 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,699 about bringing this forward about a month or two ago 1297 00:59:17,699 --> 00:59:19,039 because the funds were 1298 00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:21,840 awarded and I'm like we don't have these policies in place 1299 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:22,920 what else do we need 1300 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,360 and so that was part of it and not only are these policies 1301 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:27,760 good for that but 1302 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,150 there are other funds out there that having these policies 1303 00:59:31,150 --> 00:59:32,199 in place will help 1304 00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:34,409 us get so there's there's a lot of money sitting on the 1305 00:59:34,409 --> 00:59:35,320 table that we can be 1306 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,079 bringing up here to the city of Denton if we get enough of 1307 00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:39,159 these policies put 1308 00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:41,610 in place I think a lot of them are just you know sort of 1309 00:59:41,610 --> 00:59:42,280 good ideas we're 1310 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:48,360 thinking about anyway so I appreciate that the prod any 1311 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:49,000 other questions or 1312 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,579 should we move ahead to staff reports okay then so e1 Ir 1313 00:59:53,579 --> 00:59:54,559 ving transportation 1314 00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:58,920 summit really mr. chair we just wanted to provide an 1315 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,119 opportunity to to let 1316 01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:08,719 councilmember Ryan mention any any of the breakout sessions 1317 01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:09,760 but it really it 1318 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:14,360 was just just to note that both Mary Portin Ryan and myself 1319 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:14,920 attended that 1320 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,519 particular summit it was the end of August there were some 1321 01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:19,960 good breakout 1322 01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:25,360 sessions and some were not so good but what I was more 1323 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,159 impressed with is that 1324 01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:31,800 in the past this is this particular conference has gotten a 1325 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,679 little bit 1326 01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:36,579 but it seemed like the the elected officials state of 1327 01:00:36,579 --> 01:00:37,760 statewide and federal 1328 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,570 elected officials were we're really trying to work together 1329 01:00:41,570 --> 01:00:42,400 to identify 1330 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,250 solutions they may not necessarily been on point with each 1331 01:00:46,250 --> 01:00:47,280 other but both on 1332 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:52,420 point in terms of identifying solutions yeah yeah I would 1333 01:00:52,420 --> 01:00:53,039 say I would agree 1334 01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:56,510 completely that about half the sessions were very good and 1335 01:00:56,510 --> 01:00:58,440 half of them were why 1336 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,960 did I come to this and I would even say on the political 1337 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,039 level that if there was 1338 01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:07,090 someone from the state that was involved in in the 1339 01:01:07,090 --> 01:01:08,920 discussion it probably was one 1340 01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:13,269 to avoid but if it was local officials they were more keyed 1341 01:01:13,269 --> 01:01:14,280 into you know ways 1342 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,659 to help and ways to move forward so you know county and 1343 01:01:17,659 --> 01:01:20,000 city officials it was a 1344 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,159 good experience I mean how did we all are interested in it 1345 01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:23,599 next year I 1346 01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:30,320 recommend attending it's a day and a half seminar a lot of 1347 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:30,599 good information 1348 01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:34,639 on stuff stuff not so much that would some of it wasn't 1349 01:01:34,639 --> 01:01:35,440 even just for denting 1350 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:44,530 more of the state the what is the train the tube train 1351 01:01:44,530 --> 01:01:48,960 hyperloop in that cog is 1352 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,130 actually looking instead of doing they're potentially 1353 01:01:52,130 --> 01:01:53,280 looking instead of 1354 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,940 doing a high-speed train between Dallas and Fort Worth that 1355 01:01:57,940 --> 01:01:59,239 is about 30 minutes 1356 01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:05,599 doing the hyperlink train that is six minutes from Dallas 1357 01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:12,639 to Fort Worth then 1358 01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:19,119 you take a bike from there thanks for covering that for us 1359 01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:19,719 we've addressed 1360 01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:22,199 DCTA leadership change unless there's anything else you 1361 01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:23,960 want to add no we're 1362 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:30,880 good I have none at this point okay the matrix anything 1363 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,559 Mayor Bertem or 1364 01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:37,989 that's what we're breaking like to visit or add to the 1365 01:02:37,989 --> 01:02:40,960 matrix well under 1366 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,079 concluding items so I guess if it's already on the matrix 1367 01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:45,159 and you talk about 1368 01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:49,030 it if you want to add to it it's concluding items well 1369 01:02:49,030 --> 01:02:50,039 depending on how 1370 01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:52,579 you look at that if it's on there but it's not totally on 1371 01:02:52,579 --> 01:02:53,400 there in Hickory 1372 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,159 Street is one of them because it's only listed on here once 1373 01:02:56,159 --> 01:02:57,880 for from North Texas 1374 01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:02,519 Boulevard to Avenue C so the upcoming phases of that to get 1375 01:03:02,519 --> 01:03:03,519 it from Avenue C 1376 01:03:03,519 --> 01:03:07,389 all the way out to Carroll if we can get that added in on 1377 01:03:07,389 --> 01:03:09,239 future so we have some 1378 01:03:09,239 --> 01:03:11,570 idea of dates as to what's going on on that so when 1379 01:03:11,570 --> 01:03:12,880 constituents come up to us 1380 01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:18,019 we can explain to him that it's not permanently going to be 1381 01:03:18,019 --> 01:03:18,880 like that 1382 01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:26,789 did we adequately did staff adequately answer the question 1383 01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:28,920 on the turn back 1384 01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,809 what what does term of the definition on turn back there 1385 01:03:31,809 --> 01:03:32,559 was a there was a 1386 01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:36,909 question that was raised about turn back and then what what 1387 01:03:36,909 --> 01:03:38,679 particular roadways 1388 01:03:38,679 --> 01:03:41,679 might be candidates for turn back if you look at the Mob 1389 01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:43,320 ility Committee a new 1390 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:48,460 business matrix addendum there the last item there item 11 1391 01:03:48,460 --> 01:03:50,079 we identified just 1392 01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:51,980 kind of a definition of what the turn back is we talked a 1393 01:03:51,980 --> 01:03:52,639 little bit about 1394 01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:57,610 that earlier with FM 1515 I can go into detail if if there 1395 01:03:57,610 --> 01:03:58,719 's a desire on that 1396 01:03:58,719 --> 01:04:02,239 otherwise I'll just list these call out these particular 1397 01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:04,559 roadway sections US 77 1398 01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:08,530 from I 35 e to I 35 North so that would essentially be from 1399 01:04:08,530 --> 01:04:09,880 the Callaway's here 1400 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:17,880 the south northbound exit ramp all the way north to out by 1401 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,679 the truck stop 1402 01:04:19,679 --> 01:04:24,300 north 35 and then FM 1515 Airport Road we talked about that 1403 01:04:24,300 --> 01:04:24,960 a little bit earlier 1404 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:30,349 today there's been some discussion on US 380 or University 1405 01:04:30,349 --> 01:04:32,199 Drive from roughly 288 1406 01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:38,960 in the east to 35 in the west and then FM 428 Sherman Drive 1407 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,119 we are we actually 1408 01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:41,639 already do the maintenance we've got a maintenance 1409 01:04:41,639 --> 01:04:42,960 agreement in play and so 1410 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,980 there's some discussion of taking that one off off system 1411 01:04:46,980 --> 01:04:48,159 which would basically 1412 01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:51,920 be from Carroll Boulevard there by the rodeo grounds all 1413 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,719 the way up to 288 out 1414 01:04:53,719 --> 01:04:59,760 by the water part I didn't list the I did not list the Al 1415 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,199 mond Locust because 1416 01:05:01,199 --> 01:05:04,349 it's already listed on here we've had substantial 1417 01:05:04,349 --> 01:05:06,400 discussion on the 1418 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,809 locust term that program are these items optional for us I 1419 01:05:10,809 --> 01:05:11,360 mean when we have 1420 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:16,500 discussions can we say yes or no and under what conditions 1421 01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:19,159 might we do that 1422 01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:25,460 yeah turn the turn backs we absolutely have the option to 1423 01:05:25,460 --> 01:05:27,239 say yes or no but if 1424 01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:31,039 you do say no then you are limiting anything that we may 1425 01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:32,280 want to manipulate 1426 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,710 or change on those roadways to the purview of text dot so 1427 01:05:35,710 --> 01:05:36,800 if you want to add 1428 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,239 a signal or change lane configurations at a right turn 1429 01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:41,800 right turn lane left turn 1430 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,349 lane you would all have to be permitted through text dot if 1431 01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:46,679 we own the roadways 1432 01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:49,960 especially if text out has come in and reconstruct the road 1433 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:50,880 ways if we own the 1434 01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,900 roadways then we have more say once it's conveyed to us on 1435 01:05:53,900 --> 01:05:54,960 what we can and cannot 1436 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:59,519 do with those roads I'm not I didn't mean to imply that I 1437 01:05:59,519 --> 01:06:00,639 personally had 1438 01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:03,340 inclination to say no it just occurred to me it's like a 1439 01:06:03,340 --> 01:06:04,519 significant decision 1440 01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:08,869 financially right I mean I understand the benefits you 1441 01:06:08,869 --> 01:06:09,639 described that I'm you 1442 01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:14,280 know kind of inclined to like controlling the road these 1443 01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:15,840 are all just 1444 01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,559 candidates I mean there's questions as to what what has 1445 01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:19,679 been discussed and so 1446 01:06:19,679 --> 01:06:25,070 these are only candidates as what Todd indicated is I think 1447 01:06:25,070 --> 01:06:26,199 at this point any 1448 01:06:26,199 --> 01:06:30,800 things up for discussion it's all negotiable and there's 1449 01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:31,920 different quid pro 1450 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,909 quos of things that Todd was kind of referencing as to and 1451 01:06:34,909 --> 01:06:35,880 that you may want 1452 01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,150 and how one of those things and obviously we would not go 1453 01:06:39,150 --> 01:06:39,880 back to text 1454 01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,079 out and say yeah we absolutely want that road without 1455 01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:43,519 having gone back to it at a 1456 01:06:43,519 --> 01:06:46,489 minimum this body here to make sure that we're all on the 1457 01:06:46,489 --> 01:06:47,599 same page about where 1458 01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:51,079 we're going yeah get it getting all the reconstruction done 1459 01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:52,639 possible I totally 1460 01:06:52,639 --> 01:06:57,239 hear that I guess it's just it just strikes me as you know 1461 01:06:57,239 --> 01:06:58,639 probably a not 1462 01:06:58,639 --> 01:07:03,349 inconsequential amount of maintenance dollars that were 1463 01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:05,199 committed to it would 1464 01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:08,590 have probably a good thing to do but there is a maintenance 1465 01:07:08,590 --> 01:07:09,480 hit absolutely 1466 01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:14,030 several of the roadways that Sherman for instance we 1467 01:07:14,030 --> 01:07:15,280 already do the maintenance 1468 01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,039 on that at through a maintenance cream with text on it so 1469 01:07:18,039 --> 01:07:19,039 really the only piece 1470 01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:22,849 we're missing is control of the actual configuration of the 1471 01:07:22,849 --> 01:07:24,880 roadway right there 1472 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,179 are pluses and minuses both when the state does come and 1473 01:07:27,179 --> 01:07:28,000 reconstruct the 1474 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:32,789 roadways when they do one of these turn back projects they 1475 01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:34,400 do as John alluded to 1476 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,469 earlier their pavement requirements and the requirements to 1477 01:07:37,469 --> 01:07:38,519 build the base for 1478 01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:40,989 the roadway are typically much thicker and much more 1479 01:07:40,989 --> 01:07:42,239 substantial than what we 1480 01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:45,539 would normally do that's one of the reasons why you've seen 1481 01:07:45,539 --> 01:07:46,559 element locust 1482 01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:50,960 as part of 77 hold up as well as it has for so long with 1483 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,320 just us coming back and 1484 01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,199 over topping you know with state over topping just a few 1485 01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:55,920 times there's never 1486 01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,360 been a real true reconstruct of that segment of roadway and 1487 01:07:59,360 --> 01:07:59,960 it's because 1488 01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:03,110 they've done a good job of really making sure they're 1489 01:08:03,110 --> 01:08:04,480 substantially built 1490 01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,980 there I guess I guess you know just to state the obvious at 1491 01:08:08,980 --> 01:08:10,599 minimum you you'd 1492 01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:15,300 want to quantify the maintenance obligation and build it 1493 01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:15,840 into future 1494 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:20,979 forecasts right absolutely absolutely any other comments I 1495 01:08:20,979 --> 01:08:22,079 would say most of it 1496 01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:28,010 has to do with timing as well because obviously we're able 1497 01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:29,760 to sometimes use 1498 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,239 that to get additional funds connecting state highway to 1499 01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:34,920 state highway and you 1500 01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,899 want to make sure that you don't take over that and it's no 1501 01:08:36,899 --> 01:08:37,439 longer state 1502 01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,069 highway now you don't get those funds and you know some of 1503 01:08:41,069 --> 01:08:42,279 the designs I've 1504 01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:46,979 seen like when it comes to University Drive eventually 380 1505 01:08:46,979 --> 01:08:48,359 the current plan is 1506 01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:51,329 to bring it up to tie it into the loop and once that's done 1507 01:08:51,329 --> 01:08:52,119 then we would 1508 01:08:52,119 --> 01:08:56,470 consider it as opposed to right now you know once that that 1509 01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:58,380 through traffic is no 1510 01:08:58,380 --> 01:09:02,729 longer an issue to it it's probably the best way to look at 1511 01:09:02,729 --> 01:09:03,079 whether or not we 1512 01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:13,569 want to consider that yes one point of clarification on on 1513 01:09:13,569 --> 01:09:14,359 item 8 it was 1514 01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:17,789 requested to have the the city street report included in as 1515 01:09:17,789 --> 01:09:18,680 part of this is 1516 01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,310 there a particular project or is there a particular thing 1517 01:09:21,310 --> 01:09:22,279 that you'd like staff 1518 01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:25,270 to comment on as part of this matrix well and I apologize 1519 01:09:25,270 --> 01:09:26,239 that's what I was 1520 01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:28,930 making comment on was that that matrix was about the Hick 1521 01:09:28,930 --> 01:09:30,039 ory Street project that 1522 01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:33,909 only lists completing it through Avenue C it doesn't 1523 01:09:33,909 --> 01:09:35,359 complete from C on over to 1524 01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:38,930 Carroll and in what how those would be phased out is that 1525 01:09:38,930 --> 01:09:39,560 going to be a seat 1526 01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:43,960 welch and then you know or part of that has to do with the 1527 01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,079 lighting project that 1528 01:09:45,079 --> 01:09:48,510 came to this body about three or four months ago and then 1529 01:09:48,510 --> 01:09:49,680 prior to that three 1530 01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,909 four months before that so that part that piece of the 1531 01:09:51,909 --> 01:09:52,720 project has been 1532 01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,720 broken out as a separate project entirely now so that we 1533 01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:56,640 can design that 1534 01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,640 in totality with the sidewalk the grading requirements the 1535 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:01,560 reduction of 1536 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,229 the street width and make sure that we have a complete 1537 01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:05,359 project we only do it 1538 01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:08,270 once and not do a roadway piece and then come back later 1539 01:10:08,270 --> 01:10:09,680 and do the sidewalk and 1540 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:14,029 come back and do something else it's all one project that's 1541 01:10:14,029 --> 01:10:15,640 my breaks in regards 1542 01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:19,020 to that I know that we had a the bicycle lanes there was a 1543 01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:21,119 pilot going on and so 1544 01:10:21,119 --> 01:10:25,520 just an update on that next time with the UNT the free 1545 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,359 parking and the pilot 1546 01:10:27,359 --> 01:10:32,029 and the bicycles all of that had been put on hold 1547 01:10:32,029 --> 01:10:35,479 temporarily what will the 1548 01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:40,779 bike lane that was going down on Hickory okay so we have 1549 01:10:40,779 --> 01:10:43,039 hired a consultant and 1550 01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:45,420 then we can talk more about their findings but they're in 1551 01:10:45,420 --> 01:10:46,079 the middle of 1552 01:10:46,079 --> 01:10:50,430 the collecting data yes so they have cameras set up and all 1553 01:10:50,430 --> 01:10:51,159 they're 1554 01:10:51,159 --> 01:10:57,479 collecting okay thank you anything else on the matrix yes 1555 01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:58,800 it was there something 1556 01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,760 that you wanted to say about street construction report or 1557 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:01,279 is it just here 1558 01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:05,720 to note that we have it it was it was added to the matrix 1559 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,439 as a request from 1560 01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,199 mayor Pro Tem Ryan I just wanted to make sure we hit the 1561 01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:11,159 mark on that it sounds 1562 01:11:11,159 --> 01:11:15,510 like we've got we've got direction on that we'll move 1563 01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:17,520 forward okay so I I sense 1564 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,899 without having that seeing any gestures the council member 1565 01:11:20,899 --> 01:11:21,800 breaks would like to 1566 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:27,850 say something but we have concluding remarks yeah so back 1567 01:11:27,850 --> 01:11:30,159 to the matrix I did 1568 01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:33,109 ask a while ago for a discussion on protected bike lanes 1569 01:11:33,109 --> 01:11:34,159 and that's fallen 1570 01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:36,939 off or it didn't come to us so I'd like to ask for that 1571 01:11:36,939 --> 01:11:39,640 discussion again I do 1572 01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,319 know there were certain areas in the city where they would 1573 01:11:42,319 --> 01:11:43,079 make sense and 1574 01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:48,699 that would be where the bike lanes are near the curb and 1575 01:11:48,699 --> 01:11:50,720 the cars park on the 1576 01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:54,100 opposite side one of the areas I'm thinking about is 1577 01:11:54,100 --> 01:11:54,960 especially around 1578 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,720 Strickland because the bike lanes here and so the cars just 1579 01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,439 pull into the the 1580 01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,069 bicycle lane or they pull out into the bicycle lane which 1581 01:12:03,069 --> 01:12:03,800 makes it really 1582 01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,760 dangerous and if the bicycle lane were closer to the curb 1583 01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,199 that that wouldn't 1584 01:12:08,199 --> 01:12:12,909 happen so that's just one area where in my mind that would 1585 01:12:12,909 --> 01:12:15,079 make sense and and 1586 01:12:15,079 --> 01:12:21,630 also since the lights have been installed downtown I've had 1587 01:12:21,630 --> 01:12:22,760 several 1588 01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,649 people complain that they are more dangerous now than they 1589 01:12:26,649 --> 01:12:27,479 were before 1590 01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:31,529 something with the crossing signals and so if we could 1591 01:12:31,529 --> 01:12:32,760 evaluate those 1592 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,819 intersections or just take a group and walk down there one 1593 01:12:36,819 --> 01:12:38,159 day and use the the 1594 01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:44,520 the crosswalks to see they I've heard from many different 1595 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:45,560 people that there's 1596 01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:50,159 a few been near misses something with the crosswalks and 1597 01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:52,760 maybe the traffic 1598 01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:57,319 lights along with the crosswalks like the the walk signals 1599 01:12:57,319 --> 01:12:58,479 maybe I know that 1600 01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:03,399 there are some cities who do they let the the walk signal 1601 01:13:03,399 --> 01:13:04,720 go on for a few 1602 01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:08,300 seconds before the light changes just to give people ahead 1603 01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:09,539 of time to get out in 1604 01:13:09,539 --> 01:13:12,170 the intersection because when they change at the same time 1605 01:13:12,170 --> 01:13:15,199 there's that so 1606 01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:21,199 just if we can look into that and the last thing a long 1607 01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:22,920 long long time ago 1608 01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:27,300 there was a person living in the senior community at Sycam 1609 01:13:27,300 --> 01:13:28,199 ore and Locust 1610 01:13:28,199 --> 01:13:34,340 and there was not a crosswalk there and we talked about it 1611 01:13:34,340 --> 01:13:35,800 and then I think at 1612 01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:40,939 the time Julie said well there's gonna be an intersection 1613 01:13:40,939 --> 01:13:42,119 upgrade and then it 1614 01:13:42,119 --> 01:13:44,659 got pushed to the conversation well there's going to be 1615 01:13:44,659 --> 01:13:46,359 something at Mulberry 1616 01:13:46,359 --> 01:13:51,500 and Carroll a new light or a crosswalk there or bike 1617 01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:53,800 crossing this was a really 1618 01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,779 long time ago so I'm just asking for somebody to remind me 1619 01:13:57,779 --> 01:13:58,319 of that 1620 01:13:58,319 --> 01:14:01,590 conversation because it's just kind of fallen off and it's 1621 01:14:01,590 --> 01:14:02,760 not along the matrix 1622 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,000 anymore okay 1623 01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:19,539 okay pre-tem pro-tem well since we're on crosswalks oak and 1624 01:14:19,539 --> 01:14:23,560 Jago slash C 1625 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:28,699 you're a one-way on oak so the people walking east have no 1626 01:14:28,699 --> 01:14:30,520 idea what whether 1627 01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,350 the light is red or not because there is no crosswalk 1628 01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:35,600 signal either so if we can 1629 01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,619 look at that over by getting over by campus you get a lot 1630 01:14:38,619 --> 01:14:39,760 of walkers in that 1631 01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:46,399 area that that's something we need to take a gander at okay 1632 01:14:46,399 --> 01:14:47,840 mine for the list 1633 01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:52,979 is to look at would be opportunity for crosswalk between 1634 01:14:52,979 --> 01:14:54,960 Cinemark and the I'm 1635 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,399 gonna forget the name of the senior housing that's just 1636 01:14:57,399 --> 01:14:58,279 across the street 1637 01:14:58,279 --> 01:15:05,090 from it question the residents there and then I'm looking 1638 01:15:05,090 --> 01:15:06,399 for you know a little 1639 01:15:06,399 --> 01:15:08,920 indication of whether you agree with me or not that it 1640 01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:10,159 might be helpful to have 1641 01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:14,930 staff tip the rest of the list of the you know the policy 1642 01:15:14,930 --> 01:15:17,319 bundles over time you 1643 01:15:17,319 --> 01:15:20,609 know just background us just because it seems like a good 1644 01:15:20,609 --> 01:15:21,600 good kind of working 1645 01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,869 list of good ideas for us to do that you know not in any 1646 01:15:24,869 --> 01:15:27,439 particular schedule but 1647 01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,000 we don't need to stop at 10 because that's what gets us 1648 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,039 there that we look 1649 01:15:31,039 --> 01:15:37,760 through the ideas yeah okay I see nods I think that's it 1650 01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,399 this is anything anyone 1651 01:15:39,399 --> 01:15:43,960 thinks I've missed I'm going to close the meeting of the 1652 01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:45,600 mobility committee at 1653 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:50,000 1217 thank you