Sep 11, 2018 Mobility Committee on 2018-09-11 11:00 AM

So we'll convene our regular session starting at 1102 and first entertain a motion to approve the minutes of the meeting of July 18th. So moved. All in favor please raise your right hand. Okay the minutes are approved. I'm going to go out of order in deference to our guests scheduling requirements. We have item E staff report number two DCTA leadership change and someone who's intimately involved with that leadership change is here to join us. Do you want to make an introduction Mark? Yes thank you Mr. Chair. It's my pleasure to introduce Raymond Suarez. Raymond Suarez has been with DCTA for a number of years and and I understand or we understand later later this week he'll be officially appointed as the as the new president of DCTA replacing Jim Klein. So without any further ado Raymond Suarez DCTA. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you very much and I'm actually very very pleased to be here and excited to be representing DCTA. I became aware of this this meeting just yesterday so I've tried to work some things around and make sure that I could be here because it's very important. Not only to me I've been a long citizen of this region. I grew up in Fort Worth . I've spent most of my my career in Fort Worth and Dallas. Not to get too long in the tooth about my career but since this is my first opportunity to speak to you I wanted to give you a little bit of my background so that you understand that I'm while I've been with DCTA for four years I've actually been in the region for over 30 years. I've worked for Dallas area rapid transit helped build out the light rail system. Worked at General Dynamics and aerospace. I've been involved in physics research. Spent about a decade in Silicon Valley working with some of the largest companies in the world and because of that I traveled all over the world and experienced a lot of different transportation systems. So I 'm not a novice when it comes to transit and I'd like to consider myself fairly innovative and have a lot of expertise when it comes to transit options. I'm proud to lead DCTA. We're quickly gaining a reputation for being one of the most innovative transit authorities in the region. We're being recognized in Washington DC and a lot of that has to do with it with the team that we have and and frankly we're embracing innovation and embracing technology. One of the good things about serving this area both Denton and Collin County is that we don't have a lot of legacy infrastructure that we have to deal with and so as we start looking at new technology next generations of transit users that are demanding real-time on-demand solutions and so we're embracing that. We're looking at innovation from everything from different types of transit options to how we do procurements and I'm really excited to work very closely with our member cities and other stakeholders around the region as we build a network of transportation. I don't typically make promises but what I will promise you is that I'm gonna be much more engaged and working with city staff, the mayor, this organization and the other member cities to look at better ways to serve you. I'm very clear not only in my direction but the direction of our staff which is we're here to be a mobility partner and when it comes to bringing in sales tax and delivering services we're here to serve the cities and that's my plan it's very simple and my plan is to engage with you and to do the very best job that we can moving forward so expect to see a lot more of me in the future. I don't have a big report today but I'm more than willing to take questions at this time. Thank you so much for joining us. Any questions for Mr. Suarez? I look forward to seeing how you're gonna bring that aerospace part of your background to Denton County Transportation. That should be very exciting. All right thank you so much appreciate this opportunity. Terrific so let's move on to item B identify discuss meeting times dates and provide direction for future mobility committee meeting dates and times. Perfect committee business talk about some other time we're gonna meet. Do we like this time of the month? This time? Yeah Tuesday before council meetings work very well for me as long as we're not conflicting with another committee and I think we kind of have a layout of when the other committees do meets. The only the only issue with that is you know if from time to time you have a fairly populated council agenda and how things may get shifted around that was one of the reasons why we moved off of the Tuesday day but you know this works well for staff as well and we can we can move forward with this particular date excuse me this particular day and just keep an eye on the ball in terms of what those start times are with council so again I think councilmember Briggs was right to question staff today about the time what time we needed to move out of here so we need to be out of here at 1230 so they can set up for committee of the whole. I just wanted to add that on that on the times if council does start earlier I'm flexible in my ability to be here but way before 11 if we need to start 9 10 just depending on council schedule and mobility agenda. How about you mayor Portem? Are you flexible to come earlier? And I am as well. And typically with the agenda committee meeting on Wednesday the prior to we should have a good feel as to what what that start time is for council and we can kind of back that up a little bit if that meets everyone's schedule at that point in time. Okay so I'm gonna close item B then so we'll go for a month basically a month from now Tuesday. Second Tuesday's. Second Tuesday January 11 o'clock is the direction I'm receiving. Yeah and earlier if need be to accommodate a fuller council session with an earlier meeting time. So let's move on to item C and use our our full hour and a half well. Receive a report hold a discussion and provide direction regarding Texas Department of Transportation on system projects in the Denton area to include the 35 Express project. Mr. Chair we've got John Pulser here with a walk us through the backup material I think may spend a little bit more time on the OH L 35E project as well as the 377 but try to move through those as quickly as possible. Welcome. Everybody Mark says it's right here. Okay so we'll start with 2181 North project this is a project that MCM is constructing from basically just east of 2499 up through to Lillian Miller. The next page is the text that report essentially they're doing a right I apologize I'm a little under the weather so my voice. Thanks for soldiering through anyway. They're doing a lot of the great work as you see out there they're doing a lot of the intersection detours for the for the ultimate roadway improvements we're doing several signals which includes the signal at Geyer that we have opened about two weeks ago. We're working on the next phasing of the project because right now in the original plans that signal would go down to one lane in each direction as opposed to having turning movements to accommodate school traffic so we're working through that the project's currently still on track for February 2020 plus or minus about 32 days they were arguing about on the time and so far so well on what what's going on with that project. I don't know if you have any specific questions but we meet every as a matter of fact we 're meeting tomorrow with your staff, TechStat, Dallas district staff and the area office to go over several projects to make sure we're staying on track and this is one of those projects. In Fort Worth Drive you all just passed your local advanced funding agreement with TechStat that project has been awarded to I think it was a seam of construction and we were able to the your cost for your engineering were about three million dollars more than what you had anticipated them to be and we were able to get the Council of Governments to agree to cover that additional three million dollars in costs so that the city would not be out of the out-of-pocket that money. Your agreement has a two-step process where when you all executed the agreement you sent or will be sending the amount that you thought the utilities should cost and then when COG gets you the remaining dollar amounts to you they'll wire it to you then you'll turn around and transfer it to to TechStat to cover all of the cost of their utility improvements. Excuse me just I just noticed now that it's not sort of a set part of your very good format to have estimated completion date. Well so we do put those in. I see you have the time. Yeah what we do is we add that once we have the contractor on board we have a pre-construction meeting and they give us what their schedule is and what their contractual completion date is and then we add that to it so it's once it's awarded then there's a couple of months after that before we actually know what they're proposing to do from a schedule and TechStat's got to accept that schedule and so we'll actually show you two dates sometimes one is a contractual completion date which on these reports on the previous page that date right there February 17 or 2020 that's the contractual date until it's not and then we change it to whatever it's going to be but that's towards the end of the project so yeah it just it morphs through the schedule morphs through as they mature in their development. So forward drive the process we were doing is we've already started working with your public information office and TechStat to have a public outreach meeting on this project because if you'll note if you can see up close you'll notice this is three phases of a project in order is a bridge over the railroad a driveway project with a little bit of roadway included in the middle so we have a lot of bridge a roadway improvements that we're doing that are impacting existing drives that are not driveways they're just open space right so we're narrowing them down to their design standards and so we want to go out to the public and let them know hey what we're doing we're fixing to start once we have that schedule then we'll go meet with the residents around this area to let them know you know the phasing the timing the construction delays and where they can get information on this project because there's not really there's not very many alternate routes for this section of what we're driving and that's just showing you the the utilities that we all had to deal with and we're essentially done with all the utilities you can see where it says clear clear clear if it's active the schedule that they have proposed to us is consistent with the schedule that SEMA bid the project on so I 35 email project improvements this is the ultimate improvements to Mayhill where it'll have 12 lanes going under it'll have three lanes in each direction two laughs in each direction north and south and then two Texas U-turns and this project will pick up where the OHL project leaves off so OHL is building the southbound frontage road in its permanent location from 288 all the way down to basically where flooring America is up there and then this may hill project will pick up that southbound frontage road and the northbound frontage road and build it in its permanent location plus the main lanes for the distance of whatever the project limits are to the south I think goes about 2,000 feet to the south of Mayhill so this will be an ultimate improvement it will tie in it will be once we're done with the Mayhill segment that area will be fully constructed as its ultimate configuration it won't be striped that way because it has managed lanes in the middle so if you go over a 407 when you're driving south you notice that 407 bridge is huge well that's because just the ultimate configuration for eight lanes of traffic and four tow lanes and right now we're just using eight lanes of traffic and two reversible so the bridge structure itself will be built permanently the main lanes will be permanent but they'll be striped off or cordoned off for existing traffic flow and this project is fully funded and we are looking at a December 2019 construction or let date which means it probably March of 2020 they'll go under construction the your Luke 288 35e mayhill project this is the project Mark was referencing the OHL contract the this contractor started off under performing and has not disappointed in their ability to un perform the whole time they've been there and so the contract had a completion date of August of 2018 you'll note that that says July 2019 that's the degree of under performance this contractor has underperformed we've had a series of meetings with OHL they're out of Madrid Spain so there's not a lot we can do to them and we have another meeting coming up on this Friday this is a construction report and essentially the critical path was supposed to be the Br inker bridge right but if you look at what's going on out there they're further along on the 288 bridge which is probably not a bad thing but the reality is both bridges for this area to work have to be constructed and operational what we 're looking at on Friday is restructuring the sequencing of the project such that we talked to Beaver and he said that they would take possession sometime in September of the store by November 1st they'd have it fully staffed and they want it operational through the Christmas season so we're shooting for a December timeframe to accommodate that movement the movement that we need is northbound frontage road crossing 35 into the Buckees development because the southbound movement into Buckees is always there because 28 8 off ramp is always there so what we're looking at hopefully on Friday is a manner that we suggested that OHL could look at phasing the Brinker bridge essentially allowing traffic starting in December to be a part of the construction zone so we put a temporary pavement and not the permanent location and allow the traffic to turn in and then go back north if they so chose under construction so the only time that they would block the traffic east and west underneath 35 was when they actually stop close that area to hang beams across the bridge structure so we were talking about a phasing sequence that puts Br inker open to traffic prior to the actual bridge above it being constructed so that's an active construction zone we've done this before usually on interst ates it's kind of the kind of things you have to do but we have that's our goal we'll know whether OHL will be a team player or not essentially what they want is time and money don't we all so we just got to see what the proposal is and see where they're going on the phasing. Councilmember Briggs. So on the the Brinker is that coming up in a separate slide or is this we want to talk about these two? So this the the Brinker project the Luke 288 is here the Brinker is here and then we're doing a Texas U-turn at Mayhill for this project so essentially the movement we're trying to add is coming northbound getting off the frontage road onto the frontage road being able to turn into the development and then coming back out and going back north because the southbound movement you've always got the exit just past Luke 288 for State School Road which gets you to Brinker and then they can get back out on the road and continue on so that's the it's the north end movement and out north movement that doesn't exist right now in the current phasing. Right and so OHL the issues are they doing all of those three? Yes ma'am. OHL's contract is the Luke 288 bridge structure the Brinker bridge structure and the U-turn that's already open at Mayhill. Okay. So OHL has all of these as one as one project. Because there's been a lot of concern in the community that Buc-E's was going to open before Brinker bridge and they were supposed to kind of go hand-in-hand. Correct. So the the residents in the community behind Buc-E's are you know very nervous about what's going to happen. Do you feel confident that the traffic can be managed with this phasing sequence? Absolutely not. No? Okay. This is like my third Buc-E's and we did the last one in Fort Worth and we had that open before we had the frontage road completed and the signals up and just to put it to not to find a point on it the schedule that Buc-E's is on is the schedule that they've always been on. Our goal was to hit that August 2018 timeframe. We don't have any control over the bidders that we get. If we'd have gotten a decent bidder similar to SEMA and the other thing on the Fort Worth Drive we learned from this job this job has about five thousand dollars a day in liquidated damages. That's nothing. The Fort Worth Drive one we put fifteen thousand dollars a day in liquidated damages. So we're learning on these contractors. So OHL was the one that pushed our project out a year past what it is and so what we're trying to do is this phasing will make the traffic in that area better than not accommodating them once they open because otherwise what they would have to do is if we don't give them the out and north movement then all the traffic will come down come to the mayhill make the u-turn and come back and go north so a little impact mayhill more than it should. Mayhill is already a crummy interchange right now that's already updating it. So accommodating them across in the construction zone should minimize the traffic problems that are there because essentially all the turning movements are available it's just going to be you know higher volumes than what we have currently because there's that's a destination location. I'm not confident in anything. So the southbound frontage road the way that it is now is it going to be that way for a long period of time that goes by Buckees? Is that? That is the permanent location. So what we're doing on with the mayhill job ultimately is flooring America's like somewhere in here is where that frontage road ends and I may be off a couple hundred feet but the mayhill project picks up that permanent pavement here and continues all the way through so that the southbound structure that's why we're already acquiring the right-of-way off of James Wood, Shogun, Exxon Mobil we're already buying that right-of-way even as we speak the state is. So we're gonna put both the southbound and the northbound frontage road in its permanent location so we'll be taking we'll be buying the right-of-way that's already been set back by the hospital because they knew that was coming to put the frontage road on the northbound side in its permanent location so ultimately once we're done in this project 35e ultimately is built out in that area. The only thing that has to be done after that is putting the managed lanes in the proper location. Is there anything we've learned about you know what OHL has done that would make us put things into contracts in the future that would prevent the same thing happening again? Liquidated damages are something that Tech Stat is slowly trying to increase but the problem is is that the staff level TechSt at has to follow the laws that the legislature establishes and the legislature hasn't given TechStat a whole lot of teeth to deal with contractors because the what is it AGC Association of General Contractors they've got a bigger lobby than the state staff does because they can't lobby and so AGC argues against any improvements in the way we handle contractors because they go talk to legislators and the problem is is we OHL just literally we had a meeting right before they got awarded on this one where we were trying to kick them off of the project just north of the airport where they were doing 121 and all those braided ramps it was so bad that the conversations were so heated that during one of those meetings OHL said they were never going to work in the Dallas district again they were just leaving the Dallas district and we were saying good good riddance and then they bid on this job. Got it. Imagine our consternation. So we can't even get rid of a bad contractor even if if they're the lowest bid they're the lowest bid it's not lowest and best the state does not do lowest and best it's lowest. Okay I know this is going to come up later today too. So we had a meeting on Friday we'll know more about the schedule and what we're planning on doing Friday after about 330. What's the extent on this project on Mayhill is it just the u-turn or? Yeah that was it. The intent was to well that was we were pushing to get Texas U-turn in lieu of doing Brinker because they could just come out maybe U-turn and go north but it was part of the project we went ahead and added it but we ended up adding Brinker in total to that to the project as well. In the May hill project the previous one on the schedule that has not been bid or anything to that extent. No, no. We should be bid in December of next year. Okay. Director Nelson. Got there. How do you? Clarified the Mayhill project. The upcoming Mayhill project versus the small component of the existing O.H.L. project. So Mayhill just to put in perspective Mayhill will be a bigger bridge structure than Loop 288 is because Loop 288 at that area is only four lanes. 2499 and Mayhill are ultimately six so the Mayhill interchange will actually be a larger bridge structure than 288 just in your own mind. And that that should say we're having trouble with O.H.L. we're gonna be meeting with them on Friday. Alright so you 35 North project we've got some additional information here to talk to you about. Just south of this project 380 down to 6 35 is the what we call the I-35E project that had the managed lanes in it. And it was environmentally cleared to this point right here. This project is going to be environmentally cleared in March plus or minus a month. So that's tomorrow in textile world. We are pitching a proposal about a 420 million dollar proposal to Austin. It was actually this is a project that we pushed both with Textot and the region in the past. For the 35E 35W merge if you go out there to raise a ranch you know this part of 35 does not function. But you don't do anything but push the problem north if you don't get past 77. So we've got a proposal with Textot and Austin on the clear lanes project for basically this area of 35 part 35W. You know how you if you come up 35W it drops down to one lane to get on to 35? That ultimately will be to continue the two lanes. So we're talking about 35W 35E from about North Texas Boulevard around all the way up to 77 building it in its ultimate configuration which includes braided ramps on both sides of the interstate and it's about 420 million bucks. So this will morph on your on your chart to be a combination of three different interst ates WE and 35 itself and then then from 77 to North we're looking at Textot using their their cat $12 in the future to widen that part of the road. But if we can get past 77 which also includes a realignment of 1173 up to Bartol Road which is on your thoroughfare plan then we've essentially solved all the Denton's traffic problems on 35 in theory for now. I'm sorry I just don't know what cat $12 means. I just don't know what cat $12. I'm sorry yes sir there are 12 categories of funding that the state has and each one of them have a different use. Category 12 is called Commission discretionary funds and a subset of category 12 is also called Clear Lanes. So we're gonna use part of the Clear L anes money in category 12 for the wish wishbone I'm gonna call it I don't want us to call it and then we're pushing Textot Austin to use their discretionary portion of category 12 for that remaining segment up to the county line. And then we'll send you I think there's a glossary of terms that I use that y'all can refer to occasionally. There you go. So basically what we had to do the reason this is March of 2019 is somewhere near Sanger we ran into a historically significant ranch and the house which is in disrepair is within the footprint of the southbound frontage road. So instead of knocking down a dil apidated barn we got to move an interstate over. So we're redoing the schematic and that'll push the push the time schedule for the environmental clearance but it's still in time. So this kind of gives you a better picture what I was talking about here's 35 Eden like North Texas Boulevard here's 35 W and then here's 380. This is the project up to 77 that we're planning on chasing for about 420 million we feel very confident we'll get it. So this is the W segment the Wishbone down to the county line we're currently building the frontage roads from 114 to Eagle Parkway both north and southbound. HNTB is responsible for environmentally clearing the entire corridor on this project sorry but we also have Jacobs on contract and what they are doing says HNTB will utilize Jacobs files and they're gonna be working on the frontage road so from 1171 wherever that is I think it's right here up to the railroad track right we are doing a frontage road job we'll put the frontage roads on 35 W in its permanent location that'll open up all of that area for development permanent development because the frontage roads will be in their permanent location and we feel fairly confident that while we do not have a schedule yet they are already doing the PS&E which is the design document for the frontage road and assuming we get a environmental clearance which worse we got rid of this it used to have a date of 2020 but I was telling you this is one of those jobs that once the mobility 2045 was approved the environmental clearance would move up on this one well we're recalculating the sandbox schedule and we'll have a schedule for the environmental clearance on this project because we need this cleared too for our Wishbone project for the 420 million dollar job so it's got a priority and once it's cleared you can build pieces however you want they're already doing the design work for the frontage roads so we're fairly confident that in the next five years this will be under construction the frontage road project will be under construction as well 380 Luke 288 intersection now this is temporary you know we extended that right turn lane but that contract only allowed us to do so far south I'm talking to you primarily we're gonna get that further south on the next contract and it'll extend but it's still it's working better now but we left this in so we can say completed on it now we'll take it off us 380 East this is basically Luke 288 the green section the region is green is going over the green belt area with the lake this is being done in house by text that this project from here over to the county line is being done by two engineering firms it's trans systems and white oak engineering then we are acquiring right away in this corridor even as we speak so we're anticipating a June of 19 which is next summer sorry about that next summer environmental clearance the project is fully funded a little over 130 million dollars so by May of 2021 because once we acquire the right away we have to relocate the utilities mostly at intersections and then then we can go to construction so again just about every way in and out of Denton in about three years we'll all be torn up and under construction so be encouraged Luke 288 West so this is north and that's south again we're looking at we moved this up a little bit from December to September I think we're still going to beat that date that'll allow us to begin right away acquisition sooner which means we can probably get this date beat which means that we can probably get one of these dates ready to let sooner and remember we just passed a resolution saying that and I the way up the way I worded it when I sent the resolution to text that was if enough funds aren't found to construct the entire facility we prefer the northbound frontage road to be built first so we're not giving up on you know the half a billion dollars it takes to build this road in the interim and ultimate but the intent is by 2022 some portion of the loop is put out to construction for for a bid to construct that's member breaks so on this going back to the the little map that you had earlier for 35 if I look at it the the loop extension crosses that yes so right up here this is this is 288 so 380 somewhere down here somewhere in here right here I think I'm just making sure those improvements will be done ahead of ahead of the loop coming in so yes and no okay so the 35 job will build and do the direct connects for on the east side the 288 job will build and design the direct connects on the west side and then on 35 W the 288 job will build the direct connects on the west side and then the 35 W will go in and and tear up vintage and remove this neighborhood and put in direct connects there just kidding that was a joke there won't be any direct connects on this side of the road so it'll just be a normal box normal diamond interchange and can you just give me a better idea of what's coming first and since we're not fully funded for the loop if we're only part partly funded how all that works okay so I apologize I should probably have you give you a schematic but you know how on your interstate highways you have a frontage road that goes one way they have the main lanes and you have another friends going the other way what we would build if we only have enough money is the northbound the inside frontage road because that would set your line for development but it would operate as a two-lane two-way road in the interim but we'd go ahead and buy all the right-of-way needed because you only want to bother these property owners once so you'd buy that 450 feet but you'd only build the northbound frontage river if we don't if we don't have enough money to do it all of it it would be the northbound frontage road and all of the subst ructures for the bridge structures that it would have to go over because you only want to build those bridges once as well so that's the that's the minimum we want to do phase one on 288 whether or not 288 beats the frontage roads that we're doing from the railroad track south to 1171 or whether the wishbone which is already environmentally cleared beats 288 or this port of 35 we don 't know yet because they're all horse race they're all out of the gate they're all running we don't know who's gonna cross okay we're gonna try to manage it though okay thank you you know I realize you're half kidding when you're talking about before how you know in a certain period of time every rate way in and out it's gonna be torn up and under construction but is there a part of the process where kind of you know lay these things on top of each other is a process we tried to that but what happens is when the money comes you got to go understood I'm not trying to try to talk about in you know doing or not doing or changing sequence or anything but just do we lay them on top of each other and then say all right what's our what's our survival plan during this actually yes you're a city manager asked us to put together kind of an overlay of all these and we were in the process of doing that because you're right I mean you got 2181 you got Mayhill you got 35 you got 35 a you got 35 w you know you got Bonnie Bray I mean you got a lot of projects that are overlapping and what we try to do we 're gonna try to do is put the timelines down in the construction period that color will be in red and you'll be able to see where these roads overlap in months on what those projects are overlapping each other on so that's what we're we're working on right now I just know from knock on doors that the thing that people find most frustrating is when we go well that's textile you know and that's local sorry that you have absolutely no way out of your neighborhood you know like except to and I'll tell you we were meeting with oh right we were meeting with OHL last I mean that's what one of the things we beat them over the head with is that this isn't just an interstate project you've got five different inner changes in the city or county seat that are are detrimentally impacted by your apathy is the word I used they asked me not to attend the next meeting next time one of the things that we are working diligently with text on ITS has been involved with pre Tams engaged and marks engaged is that there are different levels of communication plans that the state engages in depending on what project they're actually working on so like an I-35e that got a whole different level of communication now when you get into a project like these more local projects and to text out this would be a local project even though to us it's a very big project it really falls more on staff city staff to make sure that communication goes out so it's a partnership between both entities and this project is still so early in the planning and design phase that we still only have a good feel on when they're really gonna go because we hear we're gonna go and which that's better than what we've heard them pass which is it's gonna go now it's we're gonna go but it's defining when does that gonna start so we can start prepping the public for what's going on and merge that with our capital projects glad it's on everyone's radar and he was not kidding about every road being torn up it's just not all exactly at the same time but every road will be torn up going in and out of yes and I live right here in this area so I'm a I call I let text that know that I'm one of the daily inspectors on a project so I just got to where I was driving to the OHL project not text all of them because there's a group message about said there's nobody out here alright 1515 is the project going into the airport LTRA has this project we're looking at a December 2020 environmental clearance and essentially the city is the client for lack of a better word on this because in theory what we want to do is once we widen it get steak to widen it they'll ask us to take it off system you know be a six lane divided Boulevard with you know text that design criteria that's still up for you guys to answer whether you want to or not but in case that's a situation your staff wants to be intimately involved in making sure that what you get is what you want so I don't overstep my boundaries so this is one of those items that we're getting a lot more engaged in knowing that the state's preference would be to turn this over from my perspective I would argue that since it's really the entrance to both our industrial park or region for lack of a better term and the airport that we would eventually want to take this over so as a precursor to that we've got a project manager on staff who's engaged in that project now a lot more vested than we had been in the past so they they are more engaged through the design process and what we're looking at along with having pre-tambent on those discussions that 's what breaks so regarding that I see the the dollar amount up there so who would the state go ahead and pay for that and then we would then take over that and then have the maintenance of those lanes not to speak for John because he does a better job of explaining all that than I do but it's very similar to what we're doing on both the Locust and Elm turn backs and what happened with McKinney except the McKinney we got it turned opposite the state's gonna do this construction they'll pay for that and then ultimately we will have to commit to a maintenance agreement or turn over the right away long term okay but to put a fine point on it the city I think this engineering group has noticed some shortfalls and some of your pavement design criteria in the past and they they are making that more robust but a textile design criteria is significantly more robust than typical normal City Street because it has to carry at least 56,000 pounds of weight or better and so they have they build a far more robust facility than normally what some cities do y'all are increasing y' all's criteria even as we speak. Member Tim? On this project my biggest concern is its interaction with so many other projects going on you've got the 35 W service road project you've got the Bonnie Bray project you've got the horseshoe project and so the quicker we can get designs on the ground for this that may need to be adjusted for those but so that we know because you know I travel Bonnie Bray to this connection quite frequently and there's a whole lot more traffic on Airport Road that now it's all gonna be Bonnie Bray and they're gonna get backed up on Airport that we've got to figure that out as quick as possible. Right and the phase three construction that will be going on Bonnie Bray which is our segment right in front of Apigee Stadium that should be ahead of this that project I believe is slated to bid late next year when this project will really be kicking into the next phase of design I believe so we should be ahead of their construction schedule and then we'll obviously be working with TechStot like we do on a monthly basis or even sometimes every couple of weeks meet with them about these projects to make sure we're all on the same page about what's going on when. So ultimately once we get some heads up on that $420 million dollar project that will be a regularly ongoing staff to staff meeting that we have every two weeks with TechStot Dallas and Dent on office with city staff and appropriate staff to make sure that Bonnie Bray 1515 35 W 35 E North Texas Boulevard 35 380 288 1173 all of these things are not forgetting the other. So you mentioned that the design was still you were still thinking about going six lanes and that was something that you needed to work on would that decision come to this committee? Six lanes on 15 15? Yeah. 1515 is proposed as a six lane divided. Okay so that that's it six lane divided. Well I mean it's not environmentally cleared yet but that's our intent. Unless that's not our intent. The intent right now based on especially the use in the area when you're going into the airport and you have the industrial complex Peterbilt everything that's going in that area for the beef for that to be six lanes now as it goes over I-35 that may change because we're going into Bonnie Bray which would be a four lane facility long term. So you'll see some of those roadways peel off to go to different directions as you get closer to the interstate. Yeah I have an issue with a large road coming into a small road it seems. Well that's a sooner there but I'm glad that TechStot is doing it because there will be a lot of heavy trucks and so that would be very important. Part of our coordination with city staff is to go do a lot of outreach with these industrial because they have definite phasing of their ships so LTRA's job once we get some general idea on the basics of what we want to build part of their job will be to work with city staff and those individual users out there to determine what their schedules are for shift changes and make sure that our phasing of that project is consistent with that movement. There's an added component with 1515 that's part of the master thoroughfare plan update both loop 288 West and where it ties back into 35W and FM 1515 are two kind of east-west connections. What we're looking to provide with the master thoroughfare plan is how do you achieve what you're most concerned about which is taking a four lane facility that's really designed to move heavy trucks heavy equipment back and forth to the interstate isolating them to the interstate and not on to Bonnie Bray. So we do that through a lot of geometric changes in the way the roadways configured to make sure that we give them the best possible alternatives in their worst-case scenario we'll have to do some signage and things but that's where we're working with LTRA to make sure that we get the same process and mindset across as we don't want those trucks going over to Bonnie Bray but you have to provide the facilities for them to get to the major interstate so that they'll stay away from it. 1830 it's a shoulder job that's done and 1173 is the project we were talking about earlier we have Garver on this and they're now part of our on system task force this is a showing you where FM 1173 currently exists but it will ride about where this 1173 sign is it'll turn north and go along Bartol Road and tie in with this alignment here so the actual drawing that schematic that Garver's doing doesn't stay on existing it moves up and gets to Bartol Road so we'll make a change on this map to show that but we think the schematic will be approved next month and then they'll start the environmental document on it and that is all I have unless there's something else that I don't know. Okay thank you so much. Feel better. All right good we still have time for a good discussion on item D. Receive a report hold a discussion and provide direction of the North Central Texas Council of Government Metropolitan Transportation Plan policy bundles and transportation development credits. So as part of North Central Texas Council of Governments effort to really the MPO metropolitan planning organizations effort to address certain air quality and environmental issues region wide they have over the course of the years put forward different policies resolutions ordinances that cities agencies whether it's a local local government in terms of a municipality or a county or school district where they can adopt certain policies one of those might be the clean fleet ordinance which the city of Denton has has adopted. So what what the what the MPO is trying to do is address air quality in one sense as well as address certain other development issues region wide and so to serve as a as a carrot if you will they've come up with the program called a policy bundle. There's a number of different policies you've got that in your backup there's about 20 different policies that the city of Denton might wish to or have or have in some cases already adopted or falling if not technically the letter of the law but within the spirit of the law and so or of the policy and so what what the MPO has done is develop this policy bundle that if an entity such as the city of Denton adopts 10 of the 20 policies or has some variation implemented almost different policies then they're eligible for transportation development credits. These transportation development credits are really some folks call them monopoly money but really what they hire is just it's a it's a trading of a financial credit from one region to the other and so these development credits are then available to be applied towards the local match so if the city say had a $100,000 sidewalk project out there and it was going to meet you know the federal standards then we could if if we had this policy bundle in place we could apply for that particular project and then apply if we're eligible apply for the transfer you know to use those transportation development credits. Where we are right now is we have approximately six of these policies in place and we have about three or four other right on the cusp. I'm working through with the different subject matter experts at the Council of Governments to see do certain activities actually meet the the spirit or the letter of their particular policy or resolution. Case in point DME has some copper theft activities that they put in place around their substations and then around some areas that they have experienced copper theft they put up actual game cameras and so trying to see if that one will check the box. Another one you might see in this in this list of policies is a is the stormwater management. I've been in touch with with the Council of Government with our environmental experts here on staff and we're an integrated storm management city we're silver rated and so what that what that means is we do certain things to address channel maintenance, flip- plane development as well as verify and you know the end goal is enhance or improve quality of runoff stormwater runoff and so because we are silver rated on that one of the questions is does that does that meet does that meet the litmus test for this particular policy. So we've got a couple others that are along the same lines what I can tell you right now for clean fleet we do have a clean fleet. So we okay so we do have clean fleet ordinance in place we have an idling restriction we've we've got that in place railroad safety we're moving forward with the quiet zone so that so that meets on copper theft that's a that's an asterisk stormwater management that's an asterisk complete streets because of our our comprehensive development plan does include complete streets we're trying to verify if if that section of that of that document will meet the intent of this policy bundle. That would also fall in and play with land use strategies on the parking management if you 'll notice the bottom line and I apologize the the the tables a little bit small but it talks about shared parking on-street parking provisions by bicycle parking parking management technologies parking districts again working with the University of North Texas that you know we've we interface with them in terms of managing some of the on-street parking around around and within the campus so trying to determine whether that would be eligible. Safe access to school as you know we've got a couple of projects moving forward on safe access to school that one that one I understand meets and then on the school siting coordination that's one of the things that we've been working with DISD as you may know on the on the new high school proposal and Bonnie Bray we've also worked with him a little bit before they or right after they established the site for Braswell High School out on 380 and brought a number of issues to a head at that point in time we've we've met two or three times with the school district with the Council of Government with TexDOT to see how we can work on doing a little bit better with the school site and again what what the Council of Government is concerned with is that they go out and they put a bunch of money as Mr. Pulsar was mentioning and some of those projects put a bunch of money into a particular project and then a school comes in you just open the capacity and the school comes in during peak hour peak a.m. and peak p.m . periods and constricts the with a school zone so those are some of the things they're trying to work around and then the final one that we do have in place is the transit funding level 2 we do have a you know dedicated sales tax and a member of a transit authority so that one does meet so I'm anticipating over the next two months we'll be able to verify and and maybe be back in front of this committee with a with a more finalized application to submit for for these transportation development credits I think I was keeping an accurate count that you hit about ten as you're going through right that's and how many do we need to we have we have we have the six and we've got about four or five that are that are tentative yeah but between what we have and what we might have I think that we actually get to the number they that's correct I was just gonna say browsing through these and just looking at them I could relate to certain things that we had or we discussed in just a couple of things we do have a joint didn't ISD meeting with council and if this is something that we need to put on that agenda to discuss to meet this criteria right because it said you know discussion should be had then maybe we could go ahead and look into that and check that one off I do know that the land use there's some of these things here under the policy that we 've talked about in our code rewrite as we're going through those discussions so maybe getting with Scott and planning and seeing what's upcoming and question the employer trip reduction because I have seen that DCTA has certain certain passes and they have a new program now with individual businesses like an employee pass and so it's trying to reduce the traffic on the streets I don't know if that would qualify or we actually have and I can run that one to ground we've done some stuff with DCTA with a number of well it's back to the volume discount whereby certain employees were able to receive the volume discount if there was X number of total employees buying monthly passes and we had that in place a couple of years ago I don't know that those employees are continuing to use the DCTA transit service primarily the rails what they were looking for that they were employees over at the at City Hall E so I'll look into that and see if there's still some opportunities for that as well John you had a comment so in my other life I used to do employer trip reduction programs for a lot of entities around California because they couldn't open up their stores without having met San Diego's San Francisco's employer trip reduction program and some of the things they would incentivize so you'd have to get 10% of your employees there some of the means besides a gas-powered vehicle but they let you do offsets if you put four or five parking stalls in your parking lot for electric vehicles if you'd agree to pay for some bus stops somewhere near in the low round here so there's a lot of ways that you can do an employer trip reduction incentive program to meet the criteria without making it draconian on them they can have a slew of alternatives bike racks showers for bicyclists like that there's a lot of ways to do it well I view this as sort of like a bribe to do something that you mostly want to do anyway so it starts out as a carrot and I'll just say I talked to mark about bringing this forward about a month or two ago because the funds were awarded and I'm like we don't have these policies in place what else do we need and so that was part of it and not only are these policies good for that but there are other funds out there that having these policies in place will help us get so there's there's a lot of money sitting on the table that we can be bringing up here to the city of Denton if we get enough of these policies put in place I think a lot of them are just you know sort of good ideas we're thinking about anyway so I appreciate that the prod any other questions or should we move ahead to staff reports okay then so e1 Ir ving transportation summit really mr. chair we just wanted to provide an opportunity to to let councilmember Ryan mention any any of the breakout sessions but it really it was just just to note that both Mary Portin Ryan and myself attended that particular summit it was the end of August there were some good breakout sessions and some were not so good but what I was more impressed with is that in the past this is this particular conference has gotten a little bit but it seemed like the the elected officials state of statewide and federal elected officials were we're really trying to work together to identify solutions they may not necessarily been on point with each other but both on point in terms of identifying solutions yeah yeah I would say I would agree completely that about half the sessions were very good and half of them were why did I come to this and I would even say on the political level that if there was someone from the state that was involved in in the discussion it probably was one to avoid but if it was local officials they were more keyed into you know ways to help and ways to move forward so you know county and city officials it was a good experience I mean how did we all are interested in it next year I recommend attending it's a day and a half seminar a lot of good information on stuff stuff not so much that would some of it wasn't even just for denting more of the state the what is the train the tube train hyperloop in that cog is actually looking instead of doing they're potentially looking instead of doing a high-speed train between Dallas and Fort Worth that is about 30 minutes doing the hyperlink train that is six minutes from Dallas to Fort Worth then you take a bike from there thanks for covering that for us we've addressed DCTA leadership change unless there's anything else you want to add no we're good I have none at this point okay the matrix anything Mayor Bertem or that's what we're breaking like to visit or add to the matrix well under concluding items so I guess if it's already on the matrix and you talk about it if you want to add to it it's concluding items well depending on how you look at that if it's on there but it's not totally on there in Hickory Street is one of them because it's only listed on here once for from North Texas Boulevard to Avenue C so the upcoming phases of that to get it from Avenue C all the way out to Carroll if we can get that added in on future so we have some idea of dates as to what's going on on that so when constituents come up to us we can explain to him that it's not permanently going to be like that did we adequately did staff adequately answer the question on the turn back what what does term of the definition on turn back there was a there was a question that was raised about turn back and then what what particular roadways might be candidates for turn back if you look at the Mob ility Committee a new business matrix addendum there the last item there item 11 we identified just kind of a definition of what the turn back is we talked a little bit about that earlier with FM 1515 I can go into detail if if there 's a desire on that otherwise I'll just list these call out these particular roadway sections US 77 from I 35 e to I 35 North so that would essentially be from the Callaway's here the south northbound exit ramp all the way north to out by the truck stop north 35 and then FM 1515 Airport Road we talked about that a little bit earlier today there's been some discussion on US 380 or University Drive from roughly 288 in the east to 35 in the west and then FM 428 Sherman Drive we are we actually already do the maintenance we've got a maintenance agreement in play and so there's some discussion of taking that one off off system which would basically be from Carroll Boulevard there by the rodeo grounds all the way up to 288 out by the water part I didn't list the I did not list the Al mond Locust because it's already listed on here we've had substantial discussion on the locust term that program are these items optional for us I mean when we have discussions can we say yes or no and under what conditions might we do that yeah turn the turn backs we absolutely have the option to say yes or no but if you do say no then you are limiting anything that we may want to manipulate or change on those roadways to the purview of text dot so if you want to add a signal or change lane configurations at a right turn right turn lane left turn lane you would all have to be permitted through text dot if we own the roadways especially if text out has come in and reconstruct the road ways if we own the roadways then we have more say once it's conveyed to us on what we can and cannot do with those roads I'm not I didn't mean to imply that I personally had inclination to say no it just occurred to me it's like a significant decision financially right I mean I understand the benefits you described that I'm you know kind of inclined to like controlling the road these are all just candidates I mean there's questions as to what what has been discussed and so these are only candidates as what Todd indicated is I think at this point any things up for discussion it's all negotiable and there's different quid pro quos of things that Todd was kind of referencing as to and that you may want and how one of those things and obviously we would not go back to text out and say yeah we absolutely want that road without having gone back to it at a minimum this body here to make sure that we're all on the same page about where we're going yeah get it getting all the reconstruction done possible I totally hear that I guess it's just it just strikes me as you know probably a not inconsequential amount of maintenance dollars that were committed to it would have probably a good thing to do but there is a maintenance hit absolutely several of the roadways that Sherman for instance we already do the maintenance on that at through a maintenance cream with text on it so really the only piece we're missing is control of the actual configuration of the roadway right there are pluses and minuses both when the state does come and reconstruct the roadways when they do one of these turn back projects they do as John alluded to earlier their pavement requirements and the requirements to build the base for the roadway are typically much thicker and much more substantial than what we would normally do that's one of the reasons why you've seen element locust as part of 77 hold up as well as it has for so long with just us coming back and over topping you know with state over topping just a few times there's never been a real true reconstruct of that segment of roadway and it's because they've done a good job of really making sure they're substantially built there I guess I guess you know just to state the obvious at minimum you you'd want to quantify the maintenance obligation and build it into future forecasts right absolutely absolutely any other comments I would say most of it has to do with timing as well because obviously we're able to sometimes use that to get additional funds connecting state highway to state highway and you want to make sure that you don't take over that and it's no longer state highway now you don't get those funds and you know some of the designs I've seen like when it comes to University Drive eventually 380 the current plan is to bring it up to tie it into the loop and once that's done then we would consider it as opposed to right now you know once that that through traffic is no longer an issue to it it's probably the best way to look at whether or not we want to consider that yes one point of clarification on on item 8 it was requested to have the the city street report included in as part of this is there a particular project or is there a particular thing that you'd like staff to comment on as part of this matrix well and I apologize that's what I was making comment on was that that matrix was about the Hick ory Street project that only lists completing it through Avenue C it doesn't complete from C on over to Carroll and in what how those would be phased out is that going to be a seat welch and then you know or part of that has to do with the lighting project that came to this body about three or four months ago and then prior to that three four months before that so that part that piece of the project has been broken out as a separate project entirely now so that we can design that in totality with the sidewalk the grading requirements the reduction of the street width and make sure that we have a complete project we only do it once and not do a roadway piece and then come back later and do the sidewalk and come back and do something else it's all one project that's my breaks in regards to that I know that we had a the bicycle lanes there was a pilot going on and so just an update on that next time with the UNT the free parking and the pilot and the bicycles all of that had been put on hold temporarily what will the bike lane that was going down on Hickory okay so we have hired a consultant and then we can talk more about their findings but they're in the middle of the collecting data yes so they have cameras set up and all they're collecting okay thank you anything else on the matrix yes it was there something that you wanted to say about street construction report or is it just here to note that we have it it was it was added to the matrix as a request from mayor Pro Tem Ryan I just wanted to make sure we hit the mark on that it sounds like we've got we've got direction on that we'll move forward okay so I I sense without having that seeing any gestures the council member breaks would like to say something but we have concluding remarks yeah so back to the matrix I did ask a while ago for a discussion on protected bike lanes and that's fallen off or it didn't come to us so I'd like to ask for that discussion again I do know there were certain areas in the city where they would make sense and that would be where the bike lanes are near the curb and the cars park on the opposite side one of the areas I'm thinking about is especially around Strickland because the bike lanes here and so the cars just pull into the the bicycle lane or they pull out into the bicycle lane which makes it really dangerous and if the bicycle lane were closer to the curb that that wouldn't happen so that's just one area where in my mind that would make sense and and also since the lights have been installed downtown I've had several people complain that they are more dangerous now than they were before something with the crossing signals and so if we could evaluate those intersections or just take a group and walk down there one day and use the the the crosswalks to see they I've heard from many different people that there's a few been near misses something with the crosswalks and maybe the traffic lights along with the crosswalks like the the walk signals maybe I know that there are some cities who do they let the the walk signal go on for a few seconds before the light changes just to give people ahead of time to get out in the intersection because when they change at the same time there's that so just if we can look into that and the last thing a long long long time ago there was a person living in the senior community at Sycam ore and Locust and there was not a crosswalk there and we talked about it and then I think at the time Julie said well there's gonna be an intersection upgrade and then it got pushed to the conversation well there's going to be something at Mulberry and Carroll a new light or a crosswalk there or bike crossing this was a really long time ago so I'm just asking for somebody to remind me of that conversation because it's just kind of fallen off and it's not along the matrix anymore okay okay pre-tem pro-tem well since we're on crosswalks oak and Jago slash C you're a one-way on oak so the people walking east have no idea what whether the light is red or not because there is no crosswalk signal either so if we can look at that over by getting over by campus you get a lot of walkers in that area that that's something we need to take a gander at okay mine for the list is to look at would be opportunity for crosswalk between Cinemark and the I'm gonna forget the name of the senior housing that's just across the street from it question the residents there and then I'm looking for you know a little indication of whether you agree with me or not that it might be helpful to have staff tip the rest of the list of the you know the policy bundles over time you know just background us just because it seems like a good good kind of working list of good ideas for us to do that you know not in any particular schedule but we don't need to stop at 10 because that's what gets us there that we look through the ideas yeah okay I see nods I think that's it this is anything anyone thinks I've missed I'm going to close the meeting of the mobility committee at 1217 thank you