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>> Good morning.

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Welcome to the July 18th Denton City Council Mobility

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Committee.

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My name is Mark Nelson, Director of Transportation.

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I'll convene this meeting at 1133 as we do not have a chair

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due to some recent council members moving off of council.

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So at this point in time I'll take item 1A, which is

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received nominations

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and election of a chair and vice chair for the Denton City

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Council Mobility Committee.

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Yes.

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>> I would like to nominate Councilmember Meltzer for chair

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and Mayor Pro Tem Ryan for vice chair.

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>> So we have a nomination for both, for a chair as well as

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a vice chair.

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Are there, is there a second?

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>> I will second.

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>> So I have a nomination and a second.

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All in favor say aye.

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>> Aye.

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>> All opposed?

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Motion passes unanimously.

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I will turn the committee chair, the chair over to

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committee chair Meltzer.

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>> Okay.

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And I will welcome Mark and our new bike and pedestrian

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coordinator.

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And pleased for us to share our first mobility committee

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meeting at the same time.

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So let's move on to item B, MC 18-026, consider approval of

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the Mobility Committee

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of the Denton City Council meeting minutes of April 18,

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2018.

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I'll entertain a motion.

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>> I'm going to let Councilmember Briggs motion on this

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since she was the only one

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that was here to know if they're correct or not.

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>> Yes, I would like to move approval of the committee

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minutes for April 18.

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>> Is there a second?

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>> Second.

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>> All in favor?

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>> Aye.

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>> Aye.

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Okay, the minutes are approved.

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Moving on to item C then, receive a report from Denton

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County Transportation Authority,

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DCTA staff to include state of the agency, pass -- I'll

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recognize --

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>> Chair, I need to recuse myself from this item.

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>> Okay.

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>> Please come get me later.

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>> Where will we find you?

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>> I'll be in the council.

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>> Okay.

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All right.

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So again, it's a report from DCTA staff to include state of

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the agency, passenger enhancements,

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bus operations and DCTA capital projects and provide

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direction regarding strategic initiatives

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in the Denton County Transportation Authority service plan.

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>> Good morning, Mr. Chairman, members of the committee,

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Mark Nelson, Director of Transportation.

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At this point in time, I'd like to introduce Jim Klein.

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Jim Klein is the President of DCTA.

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He has a presentation for you as stated in the backup

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material to walk through recent

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activities there at the agency to include strategic

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initiatives as well as certain service

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level enhancements that they are moving forward with.

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So with that, Jim?

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>> Okay.

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Thanks, Mark.

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We've got this before the research, planning got us before

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the topic.

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We've distributed that before, but I wanted to make sure

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you had that.

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Thank you for taking the time to have us here today.

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And, oh, Rats, I need to go to the top of the -- yeah.

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So here to make a presentation, you all cover the items

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that you talked about and then take

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questions that you might have regarding DCTA in general or

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anything specific that you have.

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So I want to start with an overview, just a couple of

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slides real quick to cover down

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on this.

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Our mission, we're a regional partner with DART and the

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Forward Transportation Authority.

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We provide focused and efficient mobility solutions.

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It's a less than subtle difference from when we used to say

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public transportation solutions

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because we want to start bringing forward how can we -- is

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there something different about

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how we look at things?

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And you'll see some of the innovations later how that

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becomes pretty apparent.

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Again, looking for mobility options and our values which

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have not changed.

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We're formed under the transportation code, Chapter 460 in

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2002, based on the absent sales

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tax in Denton, Lewisville, Highland Village.

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We began bus service in October 2005 where we took over the

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LINC service and then began

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DCTA operations.

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And the A-train began revenue service in June of 2011.

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And we have an appointed Board of Directors, Richard Huckab

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ee is your representative on

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the board.

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He's also the Vice Chair of the Board and the Chair of the

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Finance Committee as well.

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And we had a Finance Committee meeting Monday.

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And then in services, we cover the full gamut, buses, rail,

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demand response, which includes

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both some demand response for the general public and then

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demand response for a pair

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of transit, commuter vanpools, and also some of the new

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things, transportation network

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companies, which is the generic term for the Ubers and L

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ifts of the world.

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You know, I don't want to just glaze over things that I don

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't fully get.

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I don't know what demand response services means.

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When example is in that you call in or you get on an app

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and you say, "Could you please

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come pick me up?"

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So it sounded like a taxi.

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It's like taxi.

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Most of what we do in the demand response world is elderly

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and disabled, access, a pair

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of transit kind of service.

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We're looking at changing that around a little bit.

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And I'll talk to you about the airport area and some ideas

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we have for that and how to

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make it more responsive and more TNC-like, but using our

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vehicles.

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So we're trying to combine both private sector, our

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vehicles, try to get the best fit and

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layer in the best set of solutions.

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So we'll talk about that.

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I think that's a great -- that's really part of the path

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forward that we see for not only

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DCTA, but the transit world in general.

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We've had some ridership challenges.

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We did cap 2.9 million boardings last year.

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We talked about innovation, which I'll cover more.

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And then we're -- we every year receive the Government

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Finance Office Association awards.

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We've been recognized for the platinum levels of

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transparency, although they changed that

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program now.

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And again, I'll go into some details on that.

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Mr. Ryan, you know Charles from the RTC, and we have staff

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that sits on the STAC, the Surface

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Transportation Technical Committee at COG, with Mark.

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So just a few factoids on us.

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One of the things that I focus on every time is, you know,

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the biggest -- I think one of

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the biggest things that we do is we serve as good stewards

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of the money that we're entrusted

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with by the citizens of the county.

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And so when you look at our sources and uses of funds,

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clearly the sales tax is our biggest

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bundle that we have.

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We do get contract revenue from the University of North

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Texas, North Central Texas College,

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and there's some cities, the McKinney Urban Transit

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District as well as Frisco, Fairs,

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and then federal operating grants and state operating

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grants.

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I just want to make sure I'm tracking.

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So the growth is in the growth in sales tax revenue.

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That's what's driving -- It is primarily in that.

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The federal operating grants have grown some.

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The contract revenue has been fairly constant, along with

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other revenues in the fare box.

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Okay?

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I've got a chart in a minute that is going to be a real eye

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chart.

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Mark's got the actual spreadsheet that he can share with

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you that shows from 11 to 17

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what our history is, and it goes into a lot of statistics

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about DCTA service in general

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and how that fits.

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And so we break it up between bus, rail, and rail out --

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and bus, rail, and general administrative

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over that same time period.

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And again, we're very proud of transparency.

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If you go onto our website, you can see our budget, fine-us

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ual data, our check register,

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our CAFR, all the things that go with that.

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We get a lot of debt information, words and certifications,

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and then certainly links to

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the tax rates and other pieces that happen there and our

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complete board of directors.

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So if you have any questions about DCTA, we're always happy

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to answer them, but they're probably

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sitting on the website for you to look at any time you wish

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, and if you need some help

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with that, let us know because we don't keep any good

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secrets.

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Financial responsibility is -- you know, accountability is

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key.

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We've been successful in our annual audits.

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We continue to have a strong operating reserve, which is 90

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days, in the bank every year that

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we hold to make sure that we can weather storms.

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Sales tax -- we keep 3% of our sales tax in the reserve

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fund to weather any short storms

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and the sales tax dip, that's our -- since that's our

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biggest part of our revenue stream.

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It can be volatile at times. 2008 was a rough year for

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everybody.

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And without -- with that being our primary source of

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revenues, we've got to be able to

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either weather through the storm or be able to very

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deliberately and carefully ramp down

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our services if we need to.

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We actually have just a little bit over 50 cents a gallon.

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We used over 800 gallons -- I can't speak.

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We used over 800,000 gallons of fuel a year.

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And so this is a particularly volatile area for us if the

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fuel prices have been down of

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recent, but if regular goes up to $4 a gallon and then

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diesel tracks behind that, we use

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both on-road and off-road diesel.

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We're assuming right now $3.275 a gallon.

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So we can cover quite a bit of cost increase with that.

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And just to make sure we can preserve service and we don't

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take a huge hit, then we can

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very deliberately do that in the next budget process and

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manage that well instead of having

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to do something drastic.

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Do you mind if I -- Yeah, no, no, interrupt me any time.

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-- poke around a little bit?

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Yeah.

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Because we saw the rising revenues and then the costs were

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rising to match, you know,

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but is what's occurred that you've had the ability to fund

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reserves or like what's the

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real sort of operating portion?

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In other words, are you now being funded well above the

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actual, you know, operating cost

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or have you been expanding service or actually operations

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have expanded?

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We've expanded -- Why have the expenses matched the

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revenues?

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Well, we've been expanding some services, but our costs go

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up, too.

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I mean, fuel has been one that has not, right?

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That's been actually down a little bit.

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But the biggest part of what we pay for is salaries and

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benefits.

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Those things go up.

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They track.

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You know, we're looking, you know, between 3 and 4 percent

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in healthcare and all that

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that go up every year.

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Healthcare can be 10 percent.

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It kind of depends on the year and your history and you

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guys get briefings on that for the

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city, so there's no mystery on that.

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So typically it's a combination of increased services where

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appropriate and just the fact

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that things are more expensive.

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That's how we track with that.

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So again, I'll show you a chart in a minute that kind of

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gives you a good read on that

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and what we do.

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We have a very conservative debt policy, our internal

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coverage ratio, and good budget discipline

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in terms of this year's dollars are what we spend this year

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for current operations, current

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year operations, current year revenues.

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So that's a big deal to us to make sure that we're clearly

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want to be -- good stewardship

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is a key thing that we do.

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And so performance-wise.

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When talking about ridership, and this is a history from '

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04, we've flattened out about

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2.9 million.

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That number may drop this year.

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We've seen some numbers go down.

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The rail's taking a big hit and we're doing some things

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about that that I'll talk about.

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But in total we're staying maybe just a little bit below

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that level but about that.

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We have a lot of ridership at the University of North Texas

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and that's been a -- that's

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been a big deal with the students, location and the

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contracted service.

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That works really well in terms of ridership numbers.

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So -- oops.

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>> Are you going to break that out between bus and train?

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>> Yes.

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No, I've got that on the chart.

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Unfortunately that's the I chart because it's just a whole

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lot of numbers.

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But we can go through that.

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One thing that we wanted to look at was, you know, look at

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our cost because -- I think

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I've got a slide out of order here.

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Let me -- I'm sorry.

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I put that out of order.

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Let me go here first.

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So one of the things we want to do is do a peer comparison

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and see where we are and look

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at our peers in the agents in the transit world.

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Not necessarily our regional partners because they're very

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different in size.

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We'll want to talk about that in a minute.

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In terms of our similar size agencies, cost efficiency, we

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're doing real well.

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And reasonable and certainly better than a lot of our --

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and better than peers in some

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cases.

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Where we run into -- where some of our numbers get upside

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down is on effectiveness, meaning

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that with our ridership down, that impacts all those ratios

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.

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So -- except for bus.

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And then -- so when we look at it, building ridership is

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key.

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And that's the step as we go forward.

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Now I'm going to go back up one because I want to make sure

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that we're -- in terms of

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comparison to other agencies within the state and in the

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region, when you look at our bus

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cost, in terms of dollars per revenue hour, dollars per

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mile, dollars per passenger, dollars

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per vehicle, we are less expensive than our -- the Dart,

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the T, and Cap Metro.

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Our demand response is less than Cap Metro and Dart in

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terms of -- and this is operating

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costs.

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So this is the management of our costs before we put riders

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in the equation.

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And the -- and actually the rail, while rail is really

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expensive to operate, our cost per

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revenue hour and revenue mile is less than the Trinity

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Metro -- Trinity Express, Cap

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Metro, and Tri-rail -- Tri-Met, which is in Portland, which

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is not regional, but they're

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a comparative agency to us.

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So to state the obvious, that per passenger is where it

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gets more challenging.

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Right.

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It's -- you can see that in bus, our passenger or per

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passenger numbers are very comparable,

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in fact, better in many cases.

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And it's when we get to -- so there's two areas we're

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working on.

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We are working on bus ridership also.

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That's another piece.

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We're not going to ignore that.

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Demand response, so our access trips, trying to schedule

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better.

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When you have the paratransit trips, getting more than one

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person in the vehicle at a time

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is hard to schedule.

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You know, we have a lot of special needs folks that we're

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-- but we're trying to schedule

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that better to get more people per hour in the vehicles.

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And then that would improve our ratios there.

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And on the rail, it's just really getting more ridership.

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So we're delivering the service at a reasonable rate.

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We are -- and then now we've got to get more people on it.

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And we'll continue to look for more ways to save money.

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That doesn't mean we won't keep looking.

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But that's where we are.

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So, you know, when -- you know, I always -- one of the

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things I tell the staff is the first

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place to look is in the mirror and make sure that we

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understand where we are.

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And so these are the ways we can -- these are the same

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things we talk to the board about.

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And so when you go to look at building ridership, one of

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the things that we're working on now,

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a couple of things that we've done this fall through

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January, right now our agreement with

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the University of North Texas and NCTC provides them access

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to the Connect service.

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And that's one of the reasons we think some of the Connect

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service is down because it

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shifted over to UNT.

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Connect went down.

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UNT service went up.

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It seems kind of logical there.

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And we want to make -- remove any barriers we can to those

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students riding, which we

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see as an untapped market, any barriers to us to riding the

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train.

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So basically what we're going to do is let them ride the A

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train, not Dart, but just

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ride the A train just with their ID, just like they ride

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the Connect bus service.

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So faculty, staff, students, our three universities, three

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colleges, universities, and we're going

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to see how that works.

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So we're going to give that a shot.

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Local fare promotion, our friends at Dart and the T, our

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Trinity Metro now felt they needed

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to increase the regional fares.

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So right now if you buy a regional pass from us or from

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Dart or from Trinity Metro, it's

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valid on any of them.

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We recognize each other.

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So we have to sell it at the same rate.

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Two of the three agencies engaged in this agreement thought

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they needed to raise the

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rates.

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Now from our perspective, we felt that was -- it was one

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important to stay part of the

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regional effort and not -- and not create something

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difficult for our customers.

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So we want a good customer experience.

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But we don't want to turn people off to the service because

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it got more expensive.

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So what we've done is, again, and the reason we say

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promotion, it has to do with the legal

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piece of our fares and how we set them.

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So six months is a reasonable thing for us to do a

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promotion on that.

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So we're doing two things with local fares.

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One is local fares on our system, which means ride the

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train.

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When you combine that with the local fare at Dart, so if

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you go to the trouble buying

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two tickets, it's actually going to be cheaper than it is

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today.

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So we're trying to keep the barriers to our riding down as

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much as we can.

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And the other thing, for the other end of our population

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that buy daily tickets or buy

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one ride tickets, which cost $1.50 right now, those will be

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$1 for the fall.

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And so we're doing a lot with that to make, again, see if

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we can get more people on the

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bus and the train and move forward with that.

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So all of the -- these costs have been incorporated into

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our budget that we talked about on

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Monday, and it keeps -- and we're still in good shape with

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that.

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So -- and then there's one other -- I would say another --

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this is really not linked as

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much to ridership and as much to community service, is that

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-- and I'll talk about it

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a little bit, but June 1st, we lowered our fares, our

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discount for nonprofits.

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We were discounting our tickets 25%, and that's now 50%.

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And so I'll show you the numbers on that.

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It's actually been quite effective in terms of getting more

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people out there, more tickets.

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So we're working a lot with station development all along

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our line, and we've seen a lot of

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good things happening.

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The Hebron station has just exploded around there with the

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development, the Huffines development.

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And we've seen a lot at the East End lofts.

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Hope to work -- that would be great if that could expand

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more.

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I believe what we see needs to happen -- I talked to the

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city's planning folks, and that

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is the same thing the city wants to see in many ways, and

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that's going to be a decision

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in zoning and all that that goes forward.

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But those things that are making it that we can deliver not

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only more ridership, better

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parking, but better value for our communities.

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And that's a theme I also want to have, is that we want to

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deliver better -- we want to

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deliver value to the community beyond our transit and our

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mobility solutions.

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Things like trails, and we'll talk about that in a minute.

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And can we get development to happen, increase the tax base

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?

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That's a positive, and so we want to make those things

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happen.

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We do want to look at our train trips.

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Do we have some low-production rides we need to do, maybe

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shift more to midday?

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The Mobility 2045 plan has an extension down the Beltline.

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We're investigating that, not sure if that's worth -- we've

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got to make sure the juice

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is worth the squeeze on that, and so see if that works for

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us.

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We already talked about dispatch improvements, and then I

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want to talk -- I'm going to show

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you a picture here, but one of the things that we've heard

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a lot about, you may have

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heard a lot about, is some service in Arlington, which is a

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demand response type service we

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talked about earlier, which picks up multiple people.

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Say you have a person going from A to C. On the way to C,

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you pick somebody up at B, and

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you go past C, drop them off, or go to C, and then drop off

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the person going to D.

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So it mixes trips together.

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It's an interesting -- the dynamics and the trip planning

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is all very complicated, but

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the software is now available for that.

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It makes the most sense when we start looking at this area,

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the airport zone, we're calling

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it, that this fall we're going to pilot that in the Denton

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Airport area.

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So very similar to the VIA service, DCTA vehicles disp

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atched, more like Uber and Lyft, and in

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an area that probably doesn't make sense to try to run a

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whole bunch of fixed drop buses.

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And so instead of saying, gee, it doesn't make sense to

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serve it, how can we take it

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another way and look at it and say, how can we provide a

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mobility solution, not a public

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transportation solution, and it turned out to be one and

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the same, a little bit nontraditional.

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So that's this fall.

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Very interesting.

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I wonder if I can just go back to the A train for a moment.

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What is your source of intelligence that tells you what the

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obstacles to ridership are and

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sort of what the desired attributes are to reach more

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people and to build ridership?

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Well, a couple things we do is we looked at there's a

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nationwide trend in drops in ridership.

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We've looked at that after the American Public

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Transportation Association, and we've seen

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that around the country.

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There's a few spots where it isn't, but almost across the

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board we're seeing drops.

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The best information we have has to do with if you kind of

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look at a combination of things

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or we look at less expensive gas, it's going up a little

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bit, but it's still not four bucks

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a gallon.

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Unemployment is down.

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That's a good thing, but that means people have more money

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and car production is up,

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so there's a lot of used cars.

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And so not only can you afford to buy a car, you can afford

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to drive a car.

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35E in our particular area just got finished.

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I mean, we're competing with convenience.

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And so what we're looking at doing is how can we, and that

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's the feedback we get from

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our surveys, that's the intelligence piece.

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So we look at the industry, we look at surveys that we take

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from our customers, not only

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those that ride, but those that a community survey for

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those that ride and those that

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don't ride and try to get answers.

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And we also take public feedback in our meetings.

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We do public meetings sets twice a year.

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And so those are the things that we look at.

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Now, there's one, we're doing a lot of things here this

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year with ridership.

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And I think from the, I'm a civil engineer in my background

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, I used to be a public works

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director.

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And so when I look at things, we're putting a whole lot of

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things out there to see how

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we can make an impact.

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And from a scientist's perspective, we're doing a multivari

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able equation.

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We're not going to be sure which one worked as much.

00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:04.950
But I think we need to keep, we're so focused on this, this

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is where we need our emphasis

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right now at DCTA.

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>> I'll tell you, the reason I ask that is, just as a lay

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person, I have sort of no standing

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on which to opine, okay?

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But I would imagine that there's cost versus your

00:25:20.589 --> 00:25:24.000
alternatives, but then convenience versus

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your alternatives, how long it takes you to get to your

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destination, and also planning

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of your day, like how late you run, how early you run, and

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kind of predictability of the

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service, you know, reliability.

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And I would, you know, imagine that highly successful, well

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utilized commuter rails,

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you know, beat traffic, because they don't compete with

00:25:51.460 --> 00:25:54.000
traffic, and run late.

00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:59.390
And, you know, and I, so I was curious in your answer, if

00:25:59.390 --> 00:26:02.000
you're going to sort of tell

00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:05.779
me where we, that's just my sort of guess, but where we

00:26:05.779 --> 00:26:08.000
stand on those kind of metrics,

00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:10.759
if those really are the things that are important to riders

00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:13.000
, or potential riders, and, you know,

00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:16.980
or if there are gaps, and if we plan to optimize our

00:26:16.980 --> 00:26:18.000
product.

00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:20.470
>> Well, the optimization occurs a couple of ways, but

00:26:20.470 --> 00:26:22.000
primarily it's how do we address

00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:25.000
the first and last mile connection.

00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.210
One of the other things we've heard is that when you get,

00:26:27.210 --> 00:26:29.000
we have a pretty, it's a seamless

00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:32.000
connection, pretty seamless tying into Dart.

00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:33.589
We're on different schedules, so you've got to be careful

00:26:33.589 --> 00:26:35.000
with that, but you walk across

00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.000
a platform and get on the Dart train.

00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.000
It's not a huge hurdle.

00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:43.000
There's a lot of stops between Trinity Mills and downtown.

00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:46.339
And so we've been looking at, I mean, we've been looking at

00:26:46.339 --> 00:26:48.000
a full variety of things,

00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:51.420
one of which is would it make more sense to take a bus from

00:26:51.420 --> 00:26:54.000
Hebron or Trinity Mills to

00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.230
a specific target, so that we could eliminate a transfer at

00:26:57.230 --> 00:26:58.000
the other end that's outside

00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:00.480
our service area, but you've got to be, I mean, how

00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:01.000
creative --

00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:02.000
>> You want to solve the problem.

00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.000
>> How do we want to solve the problem?

00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:06.279
And could we, you know, an example is getting down to Park

00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:11.000
land Hospital, which for our commuters,

00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.950
Southwest Airlines, Parkland, Children's, all that, is kind

00:27:14.950 --> 00:27:16.000
of in the realm, downtown

00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.779
is kind of the limit of how far people will commute, our

00:27:19.779 --> 00:27:22.000
typical user would commute.

00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.630
But you think about it another way, what if you could be

00:27:24.630 --> 00:27:27.000
dropped off, you had one transfer

00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.740
and could be dropped off at the time shoot, where you

00:27:29.740 --> 00:27:31.000
actually go into the, go to work

00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:34.029
instead of having to transfer on one train, go through a

00:27:34.029 --> 00:27:36.000
bunch of stops, go to another

00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:37.920
stop, and then maybe have to walk a ways to your time shoot

00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:39.000
, right, where you actually

00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:42.000
check in and report to work.

00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.259
That's the kind of thing that we're hearing that we're

00:27:44.259 --> 00:27:46.000
trying to say, how can we eliminate

00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:47.000
those barriers?

00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:50.299
Because people don't want to take a bunch of transfers,

00:27:50.299 --> 00:27:52.000
kill ridership, and, you know,

00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.000
I don't want to go through that, personally.

00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.460
And I want to be able to get from one point to the other,

00:27:57.460 --> 00:27:59.000
and the more transfers you have,

00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:02.759
the more daunting it is, and the more opportunities for

00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.000
error to occur.

00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:07.000
So, we can address the first and last mile.

00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:09.009
We think that the transportation network companies, this

00:28:09.009 --> 00:28:11.000
demand responsive service, may make a

00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:14.730
lot of sense, particularly in an area that's not real dense

00:28:14.730 --> 00:28:15.000
.

00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:19.410
You know, my friends that run the Metro North in New York

00:28:19.410 --> 00:28:24.000
City, I mean, commuting is horrific.

00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:28.000
I mean, it is, you know, it's hours to try to drive.

00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:31.000
It takes so much longer than taking the train.

00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:36.000
They have a somewhat of a captive market.

00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:38.000
And they go straight into downtown.

00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:40.910
So, as you go through that, and there's a different

00:28:40.910 --> 00:28:43.000
tolerance for commuting and things

00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:45.900
like that in that area, right, I mean, it's just the nature

00:28:45.900 --> 00:28:47.000
of the Northeast.

00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:50.000
So, we look at things we can learn from them.

00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:52.960
We look at things we learned from our area and from the

00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:55.000
entire nation, and then try to apply those.

00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.619
And so, that's where when you look at some of the things

00:28:57.619 --> 00:28:59.000
that we're looking at here,

00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:02.119
and trying to be as innovative as we can be, and again, I'm

00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:03.000
going to get to a little bit more of that in a bit,

00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:08.000
but that's where we really think we are putting our focus,

00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:10.000
we're putting our focus on that in the budget,

00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.000
and our focus on that in operations.

00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:15.000
Yeah, thanks for letting me quiz you as you present.

00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.940
No worries. Hey, look, this is a, no, you just tell me, you

00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:20.000
have to ask questions, I'm all about it.

00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:23.549
So, Airport Zone, that's this fall, we're going to

00:29:23.549 --> 00:29:29.000
implement some service changes in, with the start of school

00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:29.000
.

00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:31.000
And then right after that, we start implementing this.

00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:34.529
You'll hear the word Transloc, which is the software we use

00:29:34.529 --> 00:29:36.000
to make that happen.

00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:39.029
Accomplishments, we talked a little bit about economic

00:29:39.029 --> 00:29:40.000
development.

00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:43.210
We had a good study done by the Ontario group that I've

00:29:43.210 --> 00:29:45.000
given to the council before,

00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.509
and Mark, you have copies of that report that we have, that

00:29:48.509 --> 00:29:50.000
details a lot of this,

00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.950
that we're starting to see, you know, development in the

00:29:52.950 --> 00:29:55.000
corridor that's growing quite a bit.

00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:58.000
Again, I talked about East End Lofts and Huffines.

00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.309
There's a Tower Bay development that's going in at the High

00:30:01.309 --> 00:30:04.000
land Village, Louisville Lake Station.

00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.019
I've got a lot of interest at the Med Park Station area for

00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:08.000
development.

00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:10.000
People come to me wanting that to happen.

00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:13.519
And so, we'll work hand in glove with the city to make

00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:15.000
those things happen.

00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.269
And how can we leverage the regional investment in a

00:30:18.269 --> 00:30:22.109
railroad to better deliver value to the communities in

00:30:22.109 --> 00:30:24.000
terms of ad form taxes and ridership?

00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:28.740
So, our recognition, we talked about financial and

00:30:28.740 --> 00:30:30.000
transparency.

00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.109
And we're again, we're engaged in the RTC and all these

00:30:32.109 --> 00:30:33.000
different things.

00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:38.000
I said, actually, it's been, I've been asked to, it expired

00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:38.000
,

00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:40.109
and I've been asked to participate again at the federal

00:30:40.109 --> 00:30:42.000
level with the Rail Safety Advisory Committee.

00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.430
We lead a user group for our PTC, or Positive Train Control

00:30:45.430 --> 00:30:46.000
System,

00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:49.230
and we make regular conference presentations, our whole

00:30:49.230 --> 00:30:51.000
staff, around the country.

00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:57.000
So, we've been fighting above our weight class.

00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:00.000
We talk about cost savings and cost efficiencies.

00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:02.490
That doesn't mean we don't keep looking at how to save

00:31:02.490 --> 00:31:03.000
money.

00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:04.000
Okay?

00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.779
One of the things we're looking at right now is we just put

00:31:06.779 --> 00:31:10.420
in an order for 12 smaller buses to use in lieu of some of

00:31:10.420 --> 00:31:11.000
our bigger buses.

00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:16.089
Some of the routes in Houston, in Denton, might make sense

00:31:16.089 --> 00:31:18.000
to run with smaller buses.

00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:19.000
That could be a good thing.

00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:22.670
Less wear and tear on streets, more efficient in terms of

00:31:22.670 --> 00:31:25.180
fuel and costs, easier to maneuver through traffic, and

00:31:25.180 --> 00:31:27.000
they can go to different places.

00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:31.000
Changing our schedules, incorporating TNCs.

00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:35.269
We'll be doing that, and we're doing that now in Highland

00:31:35.269 --> 00:31:38.000
Village, a very less dense area.

00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:40.730
By discounting that service, providing discounts based on

00:31:40.730 --> 00:31:42.000
it, it's really interesting.

00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:47.000
It's geocoded, and we've tested this, this technology works

00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.000
, that it's geocoded and time-coded,

00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:51.180
to where if you're in that area and your trip begins and

00:31:51.180 --> 00:31:53.779
ends in the zone, as if you were taking a bus, that it

00:31:53.779 --> 00:31:56.000
funds a discount.

00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.450
The discount, you say, why are we funding discounts on Uber

00:31:58.450 --> 00:31:59.000
and Lyft?

00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.940
Well, because you get like a 10 to 1 payback versus sending

00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:05.000
one of our vehicles out there.

00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:07.000
So, and it's, the math works.

00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.000
It's really amazing how that happens.

00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.750
And we still have the accessible service that we go with it

00:32:11.750 --> 00:32:12.000
.

00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:16.000
Demands and demand response dispatch.

00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.609
We've been in single-car train operations for over a year

00:32:18.609 --> 00:32:19.000
now.

00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.890
I hope to go back to two-car, but that's saving us about a

00:32:21.890 --> 00:32:24.000
half a million dollars a year there.

00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.000
Positive train control.

00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.000
We'll talk a little bit more about that in a minute.

00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:32.000
We were involved in a regional project and went on our own

00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.730
and saved between 15 and 20 million dollars on the capital

00:32:34.730 --> 00:32:35.000
side.

00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:38.500
And then, again, by going on our own with operations with

00:32:38.500 --> 00:32:42.059
rail, while rail is really expensive, we saved about a

00:32:42.059 --> 00:32:46.000
million four by going on our own with First Transit.

00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:49.000
We do actively pursue federal funding.

00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.000
I am unabashedly seeking federal money wherever I can.

00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:55.809
Our 20 million dollars that we did have to pay for positive

00:32:55.809 --> 00:32:57.000
train control.

00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:02.000
13.6 was from federal funds, 5.5 in trails.

00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.220
We did get a lot of transportation development credits, so

00:33:05.220 --> 00:33:08.000
that helps us with our cash in terms of our match.

00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:11.750
And bus maintenance facility here in Denton was 8.9 million

00:33:11.750 --> 00:33:12.000
.

00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.569
Since then, we've gotten another 2.6 for a light duty

00:33:15.569 --> 00:33:18.460
facility in Louisville, so we cannot run all of our buses

00:33:18.460 --> 00:33:20.000
back and forth to Denton every day.

00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:23.170
The service is in Louisville. We'll domicile them and do

00:33:23.170 --> 00:33:24.000
light repairs.

00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.890
We'll steal all of our heavy repairs here in Denton at the

00:33:27.890 --> 00:33:30.000
bus operations facility.

00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:33.700
We also received some funding for development around the

00:33:33.700 --> 00:33:38.609
Old Town station, kind of like the DDTC South, at 10 and a

00:33:38.609 --> 00:33:41.000
half million dollars, 10.4 million from the COG.

00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:45.500
So we are looking for ways to save our money as much as we

00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:49.000
can, save your money as much as we can.

00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.450
I don't know how familiar you all are with positive train

00:33:51.450 --> 00:33:55.000
control. It's based on an accident that occurred in 2008.

00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:01.150
It is, and I left off the unfunded part of this mandate, it

00:34:01.150 --> 00:34:05.059
prevents train overspeed, train to train collision, misal

00:34:05.059 --> 00:34:08.000
igned switches, and work zone incidents.

00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:10.960
So those things you read about, say up in Seattle where a

00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.400
train ran off onto the highway because it was doing 180 and

00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:15.000
a 30.

00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:18.289
And, you know, there's been a few unfortunate incidents

00:34:18.289 --> 00:34:21.440
that it puts a positive brake on the train that overrides

00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:23.000
the engineer's controls.

00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:26.489
It will bring the train to a complete stop, then they have

00:34:26.489 --> 00:34:29.000
to get reinitialized with dispatch.

00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:32.059
And so it stops those things from happening. Now, keep in

00:34:32.059 --> 00:34:36.110
mind, it will not help the things, trespasser incidents,

00:34:36.110 --> 00:34:39.000
grade crossings, and things like that.

00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.400
Those are separate and apart from this, but this is train

00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.369
operations. Are they going too fast? Are the two trains

00:34:45.369 --> 00:34:46.000
going to have an incident?

00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:49.030
So that's what happens with that. We are real proud of what

00:34:49.030 --> 00:34:52.159
we're doing with this because we're required to be in what

00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.369
's called revenue service demonstration by December of this

00:34:55.369 --> 00:34:56.000
year.

00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:58.389
If you look at all the railroads in the country, we're in

00:34:58.389 --> 00:35:02.039
the top third on the FRA's chart. So we're in the right

00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.000
place with that.

00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.789
So I don't want to be that guy. That's a quote from one

00:35:06.789 --> 00:35:09.659
movie I've seen somewhere where you don't want to be the

00:35:09.659 --> 00:35:12.000
guy they choose to point out is the one not to make it.

00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:14.550
So some of my friends are getting those letters. It's a bad

00:35:14.550 --> 00:35:19.000
deal. We're not. So we're real pleased with that.

00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:21.139
We've already completed static testing. We've got all of

00:35:21.139 --> 00:35:23.630
our installations. We're 100 percent installed, 100 percent

00:35:23.630 --> 00:35:24.000
funded.

00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.400
And we're beginning dynamic testing this weekend. So they

00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:29.000
'll see trains out there.

00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:32.079
One thing of note, because of all this extra protection, it

00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:35.329
puts a lot of buffer in the system. It's going to make it a

00:35:35.329 --> 00:35:37.000
little less efficient.

00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.920
And so we're pursuing some federal funds to try to make it

00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.000
more efficient. So just heads up on that.

00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.260
We have got to get into revenue service demonstration. And

00:35:45.260 --> 00:35:49.349
so once we get there, then we'll go back and start fixing

00:35:49.349 --> 00:35:52.000
the efficiencies as best we can.

00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:55.760
So we have a real trail going from DTC to Hebron. We have

00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.000
finally finished our last hurdle with text.

00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.199
They released it for letting should go out to bid in August

00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:03.000
or sooner.

00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:06.199
We hope hopefully this month, if not in August, and we'll

00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.300
be complete in 2019, which will mean that there is a

00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:13.329
complete trail from the DTC all the way to the station,

00:36:13.329 --> 00:36:17.000
even across the lake down through the lake cities.

00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.940
So it's a real positive deal. Again, what value we bring

00:36:19.940 --> 00:36:22.639
into our communities beyond just the transportation

00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.000
services and mobility services we provide.

00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:29.760
Kind of a cool statistic here. Well, we didn't know it was

00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:33.380
an organic program we came up with that we've done a lot of

00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:37.289
talk discussion with our nonprofits and worked with United

00:36:37.289 --> 00:36:38.000
Way.

00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:42.690
We were offering a 25 percent discount on our group tickets

00:36:42.690 --> 00:36:45.000
, our single ride tickets.

00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:48.079
My senior king uses this United Way uses this or other

00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:52.940
nonprofits. They buy the tickets at a deep discount. Now it

00:36:52.940 --> 00:36:55.000
's deeper.

00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:58.079
We were able to sell four and a half times the number of

00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.000
tickets between May and June.

00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.949
It's been anecdotal because there's different times people

00:37:02.949 --> 00:37:05.610
buy the tickets, but we did see a big uptick and we saw new

00:37:05.610 --> 00:37:07.000
people buying them.

00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:11.110
So from something that really doesn't cost us anything at

00:37:11.110 --> 00:37:15.239
the end of the day, we're running the buses anyway. I think

00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:16.760
this helps the people, you know, at the other end of the

00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:19.000
spectrum that maybe need a little bit more help.

00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.550
And some of the folks that are dependent on the train maybe

00:37:21.550 --> 00:37:24.300
need the leg up, you know, hand up, not hand out. And we

00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:26.000
help them. And that's something that we can do.

00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.309
We're not real good at figuring out who those the right

00:37:28.309 --> 00:37:31.000
person is, but we are good at knowing who nonprofits are.

00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.369
So we then sell it to them and then they work their program

00:37:34.369 --> 00:37:38.000
, work their magic on how that goes. So very positive.

00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:41.119
Amazing result. He just parenthetically, since you brought

00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:43.829
up my senior king, I understand there's a stop about half a

00:37:43.829 --> 00:37:46.000
mile south of them and a half a mile north.

00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:48.000
Yes.

00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:49.000
Don't stop right there.

00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.980
There's there's a we've been kind of going. I talked to Roy

00:37:51.980 --> 00:37:55.760
last night. OK, just for the as for this because we've got

00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:58.000
some particular issues this week with the high heat.

00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:02.559
And we're answering the mail on that. We're doing some

00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:06.000
humanitarian runs from the soup kitchen.

00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:10.159
Our daily bread. Thank you. Back down to Monsignor King so

00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:12.219
that we're not, you know, it's a pretty vulnerable

00:38:12.219 --> 00:38:13.000
population.

00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:16.639
So we agreed to help with that. We're looking at a long

00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.000
term solution.

00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.539
One of it is some of that is reduce fare passes. The other

00:38:20.539 --> 00:38:23.000
is how do we deal with moving some folks?

00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.710
There's other communities that take some of their buses

00:38:25.710 --> 00:38:28.590
coming out of service, the smaller ones that don't require

00:38:28.590 --> 00:38:31.000
a CDL transferring them some are nonprofits.

00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.150
You know, when they reach out when we're done with them and

00:38:35.150 --> 00:38:36.000
then have a that's another option.

00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:39.170
There's a bunch of options we're working with them on. My

00:38:39.170 --> 00:38:42.030
folks, my operations people are engaged with Roy and the

00:38:42.030 --> 00:38:44.000
other folks at the Monsignor King.

00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.000
I went there one morning to go visit with them.

00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:53.369
There's a the site is located between two routes. And our

00:38:53.369 --> 00:38:56.000
problem is how do we get down there to turn around?

00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:01.000
And if we had the route design just it.

00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.000
I bet Roy had some ideas on how they could turn around.

00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:05.869
Well, when you take our big buses and you take you start

00:39:05.869 --> 00:39:08.000
trying to turn around in the parking lot.

00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.449
We do our very best not to pull into parking lots and we

00:39:10.449 --> 00:39:13.119
destroy parking lots if we're not careful with the weight

00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:14.000
of the buses.

00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.369
And so we've got to be cautious with that. We're going to

00:39:17.369 --> 00:39:20.000
keep working on it. I'm not giving up on that.

00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.309
Obviously not because we're helping them this week. There

00:39:22.309 --> 00:39:25.320
will be people today being transported by DCTA buses to get

00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:27.000
them to where they need to be.

00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.829
And again, we don't want to put our most vulnerable

00:39:29.829 --> 00:39:33.760
population at risk if we can help it. So that's what's up

00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:35.000
with that.

00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:36.940
So kind of a good news story. We just got to work out

00:39:36.940 --> 00:39:39.000
something that's sustainable long term.

00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:42.050
That's probably not the best way to do business long term,

00:39:42.050 --> 00:39:45.489
but it's not to be ignored either. So stay tuned. More to

00:39:45.489 --> 00:39:46.000
follow.

00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:48.739
All right. Specific information requests. Mark asked me to

00:39:48.739 --> 00:39:53.000
put together some things to talk about.

00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:56.400
Innovation. We talked about Highland Village on

00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:58.000
transportation network companies.

00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.710
My good friends are here from University of North Texas in

00:40:01.710 --> 00:40:07.000
our new contract, which will start this actually in August.

00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.039
We have a brand new contract that's been approved by both

00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:13.000
boards, both the DCTA board and the Board of Regents.

00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.840
That lift will actually be taking care of the 2 a.m. to 7 a

00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:22.000
.m. rides. Same geocoding that we've already tested.

00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:26.059
Time coding, geocoding to control cost. Basically just ride

00:40:26.059 --> 00:40:29.130
around the campus and make sure that our students get home,

00:40:29.130 --> 00:40:32.190
you know, back to their dorms, back to their car at the

00:40:32.190 --> 00:40:33.000
right time.

00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:37.679
So very positive. We've been doing taxi cabs, both voucher

00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:41.429
and dispatch. I told you we've we had a we're we're a

00:40:41.429 --> 00:40:43.000
regional partner.

00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:47.059
We have the McKinney Urban Transit District actually asked

00:40:47.059 --> 00:40:51.000
us to help contract some service for them and we provide a

00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.000
voucher cab service.

00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.170
So a rider in it's funded by the McKinney Urban Transit

00:40:56.170 --> 00:40:59.400
District and they pay us overhead in addition to direct

00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:00.000
cost.

00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:03.650
But they a rider will send one hundred dollars to the cab

00:41:03.650 --> 00:41:07.360
company and they send them a four hundred dollar voucher

00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:08.000
back.

00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:12.409
And then that person there's no dispatch by us. They just

00:41:12.409 --> 00:41:14.000
get in, call the cab, swipe their card.

00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.440
And from a personal personal pride, I guess is the right

00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:21.000
word or dignity standpoint, driver doesn't matter.

00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.329
They don't care who you are. All they know is you got a

00:41:23.329 --> 00:41:26.000
card that's got cash on it and you get to ride.

00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:29.639
Now, the thing that we do is since we're doing service also

00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:32.989
in the Frisco area, if we have once or twice, we've had to

00:41:32.989 --> 00:41:35.590
send one of our bigger vehicles because someone has a

00:41:35.590 --> 00:41:37.000
really large mobility device.

00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:40.210
You know, some of these motorized wheelchairs and things

00:41:40.210 --> 00:41:43.309
are just too big for the cab, even the accessible cabs to

00:41:43.309 --> 00:41:44.000
handle.

00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:52.000
And so they reimburse us for that plus plus our overhead.

00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.000
Now we do dispatch service.

00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:56.699
Frisco is getting contracted with us to do that. They pay

00:41:56.699 --> 00:41:59.000
us direct plus overhead.

00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:02.800
And we actually dispatch cabs because they wanted us to run

00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:05.000
two of our vehicles full time.

00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.639
Those got full. This demand response service really works,

00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:09.000
particularly in that community.

00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:11.800
And it works in our community, too. But it's it's we can

00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:13.000
make it more efficient.

00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.690
But as we keep making it more efficient and get more demand

00:42:15.690 --> 00:42:18.000
on it, it's tough to put a half of us out there.

00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:21.369
So if we fill up our bus, we'll dispatch a cab and then

00:42:21.369 --> 00:42:24.000
they want to also go with lift, too.

00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.380
And so really a positive thing. We're seeing a lot of neat,

00:42:27.380 --> 00:42:29.000
really cool stuff with that.

00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.730
I already talked about Denton Airport contract reports with

00:42:31.730 --> 00:42:34.000
approach with the University of North Texas.

00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:35.940
University of North Texas really wanted to get out of the

00:42:35.940 --> 00:42:37.000
bus ownership business.

00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:42.469
And we so we worked it out to optimize routes, be able to

00:42:42.469 --> 00:42:44.000
fund part of the bus fleet.

00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:47.340
Very, very, you know, again, a good thing for all of us all

00:42:47.340 --> 00:42:48.000
around.

00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.719
And and that's a ten year thing. So we're really proud of

00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:51.000
that.

00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:54.059
Really pleased to be a partner with University of North

00:42:54.059 --> 00:42:56.000
Texas cost sharing trinity metro.

00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:59.900
And we provide a bus that travels from Denton to downtown

00:42:59.900 --> 00:43:01.000
Fort Worth.

00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:03.449
Well, Fort Worth provides a bus that goes from downtown

00:43:03.449 --> 00:43:05.000
Fort Worth all the way to Denton.

00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.250
We didn't want to try to meet in the middle and have to do

00:43:07.250 --> 00:43:09.000
that transfer that kills ridership.

00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:12.719
So they pay for one bus, we pay for the other and we both

00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:16.000
stop in Alliance and move on down the road.

00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.000
So that's how we split it instead of making it inconvenient

00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:20.000
for customers.

00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.340
Again, really, really positive. We're trying to help on the

00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:27.000
technology side with Alliance, not funding,

00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.400
but trying to help with how to make it better because we

00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.179
want our people in Denton to be able to get to Alliance and

00:43:32.179 --> 00:43:33.000
get the jobs.

00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.000
And if you get off the bus, it's a long walk to everywhere,

00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:38.000
but a few places in Alliance, a whole bunch of jobs,

00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:41.349
a whole bunch of people, but they are spread out. So how do

00:43:41.349 --> 00:43:42.000
we get there?

00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.000
Doesn't make a lot of sense to do fixed drop bus.

00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.340
We're looking at some different technologies to try to make

00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:48.000
that better.

00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:53.000
And then this is something we've been experimenting with.

00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.329
And I think it's something that might have might be, you

00:43:55.329 --> 00:43:57.000
know, what some of these others,

00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.719
some of the contract cities we work with also serve as labs

00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:04.000
for us to test technology and to test approaches.

00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:08.000
We'll talk about autonomous vehicles here in just a second.

00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:11.000
But the idea of a transportation management association,

00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.590
if there's some things that don't make sense for it to be

00:44:13.590 --> 00:44:17.679
totally funded by say DCT, there's a specific business need

00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:18.000
.

00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:22.309
This is something we've partnered with some businesses in

00:44:22.309 --> 00:44:24.000
the city of Frisco.

00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.920
Again, we're we're not contributing costs into these things

00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:29.000
other than some a little bit of our time.

00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:34.239
But again, to test the model of how can we do a TMA and how

00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:37.860
do we bring in people, bring in more cities, lower costs

00:44:37.860 --> 00:44:39.000
for our members.

00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.949
A lot of positive stuff there. So public private

00:44:41.949 --> 00:44:46.000
collaboration. It's a real good good thing.

00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:49.239
This is something again, we're doing a test lab. This is

00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:53.239
part of our you know, we see autonomous vehicles and that

00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:57.000
technology entering our space.

00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:59.360
And again, much like the transportation network companies,

00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.510
I think you can tell we're embracing it. We're not fighting

00:45:02.510 --> 00:45:03.000
it.

00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:05.340
I don't know if I'm ready to embrace this yet, but we're

00:45:05.340 --> 00:45:07.000
part of it. We're going to test it.

00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:12.230
So drive AI came to us and some business partners in the

00:45:12.230 --> 00:45:16.000
city, again, the city of at that point Frisco and said,

00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:19.929
we want to fund a pilot program for six months. Would you

00:45:19.929 --> 00:45:21.000
help us?

00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:24.170
Not with money, but with average, you know, with the

00:45:24.170 --> 00:45:27.000
technical not the technical piece from the city

00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:29.000
institutional piece for us.

00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.969
We're trying to figure out what is the institutional

00:45:31.969 --> 00:45:35.000
infrastructure to make things like this happen.

00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:38.360
So we've the agency's got a lot of good PR says I want

00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:42.000
channel five last night doing an interview on this.

00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.119
They're going to start service. Soft launches to twenty

00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:46.000
third.

00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:49.769
The full launches on the 30th and Hall Business Park to

00:45:49.769 --> 00:45:53.000
limited white list service in terms of it's a test.

00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:56.000
And we're going to try to find out does this make sense?

00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:00.000
Is it can it do safe operations? Is it do people accept it?

00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:03.000
And then does it make financial sense?

00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:06.369
And so clearly not sustainable for their venture capital

00:46:06.369 --> 00:46:08.000
ists to fund it forever.

00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:11.769
How could this ever come to play? Don't know. So we're we

00:46:11.769 --> 00:46:14.000
're testing that right now.

00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.469
And it's pretty interesting this deal down here at the

00:46:16.469 --> 00:46:17.000
bottom.

00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.219
The screen shows all of the sensor data coming in. It's

00:46:20.219 --> 00:46:25.000
fascinating, which, by the way, if Mark, we could schedule.

00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.789
I know they they they hook us up. We want to bring some of

00:46:27.789 --> 00:46:29.000
the council up there or something.

00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:33.800
We could get a time to ride to see that. And that's again,

00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:35.000
that's part of the value.

00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:36.610
We were asked a lot of questions. Why are you doing this in

00:46:36.610 --> 00:46:38.000
Frisco? Why aren't you doing it here?

00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.920
Which is a good question to ask. Well, I haven't got people

00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:42.000
that want to fund it here yet.

00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:46.769
So but we can learn a lot and bring that knowledge to our

00:46:46.769 --> 00:46:50.000
communities and serve more as we go forward.

00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:54.000
So pretty cool stuff. Very, very exciting.

00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:59.079
Just a superficial reaction was it seems like a possible

00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:03.000
possible application would be in the Alliance Airport.

00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.659
You know, solving that last bit. You know, you've got

00:47:05.659 --> 00:47:07.000
people going to many different stops.

00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:11.239
We are I'm not going to profess to be an expert on Uber and

00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:13.380
Lyft. But my understanding is that their business model

00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:16.000
long haul requires this.

00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.469
So and I tell Pete, you know, I say, well, you think the

00:47:19.469 --> 00:47:21.000
technology at work?

00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:24.429
OK, I was in that National Guard for 28 years, spent a

00:47:24.429 --> 00:47:27.789
little bit of time in a South Asian country and Central

00:47:27.789 --> 00:47:29.000
Asian country.

00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:31.550
We can put the right Hellfire missile in the right Toyota

00:47:31.550 --> 00:47:34.360
Corolla to take out the right bad guy from a parking lot in

00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:35.000
Arizona.

00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:40.000
I think we can figure this out. So it's public acceptance.

00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:43.000
It's insurance. It's how to get it to learn. So it doesn't

00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.000
make a lot of mistakes.

00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:48.730
This is operating. These are these are the same vehicles

00:47:48.730 --> 00:47:51.000
and New York cab system is using.

00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.199
They're doing they really am I just real quick. I'll tell

00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:54.000
you what's really interesting.

00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.000
One of the hardest parts. I like to ride a bike, maybe jock

00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:00.000
in city streets. Well, how do I communicate with drivers?

00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:02.730
So if you pull up, I'm going to look at you in the eye and

00:48:02.730 --> 00:48:05.590
say, you know, hit me when I pull out or are you good to go

00:48:05.590 --> 00:48:06.000
?

00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:09.389
But this is that says what the car is about to do. It's

00:48:09.389 --> 00:48:11.000
actually a sign.

00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:14.489
You have to be by that tells me you weren't by the mic. Oh,

00:48:14.489 --> 00:48:16.000
oh, sorry.

00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.000
I'll be better. OK, anyway, it's really interesting stuff.

00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.230
So we're trying to learn about it. And I think, again, it

00:48:22.230 --> 00:48:25.000
brings value to our communities because when this

00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:27.000
technology continues to hit

00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.400
and we get more and more options, if we figure out it's a

00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:32.440
good idea, then we'll be bringing it to saying, I don't

00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:33.000
want to say just alliance.

00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:35.750
Why not dentin if it's in the right place at the right time

00:48:35.750 --> 00:48:39.000
? Why not? If it makes sense.

00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:41.550
So let's learn, figure it out, and then we'll get smart on

00:48:41.550 --> 00:48:44.000
this stuff and be really ready to bring it forward.

00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:47.650
So and I think it's going to hit that. You know, there's a

00:48:47.650 --> 00:48:49.369
lot of debate over whether the Uber and Lyft system is

00:48:49.369 --> 00:48:50.000
sustainable.

00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:54.329
They've not been through a recession yet. So time will tell

00:48:54.329 --> 00:48:56.000
what is sustainable.

00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:59.690
We know is that the demand from the public for that kind of

00:48:59.690 --> 00:49:02.000
service is not going to go away.

00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:04.000
And so somehow that level of service is going to be done.

00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:08.000
OK, Mark wants me to continue. Sorry. OK, I got it.

00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:11.059
All right. This is what Mark's got. This is all our data on

00:49:11.059 --> 00:49:12.000
the right side.

00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.730
Don't if you can read that, I'll give you a dollar because

00:49:14.730 --> 00:49:16.000
it's too small for me.

00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:20.239
But sales tax, demand response, UNT, Connect Service, A-T

00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:22.000
rain, all of us there.

00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.869
Mark's got the Excel spreadsheet. So I think this answers

00:49:25.869 --> 00:49:28.000
the questions we've gotten.

00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:31.400
And if you got more, fine. No worries. One note, the demand

00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:33.000
response is for the whole service area.

00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:35.239
That's all three cities. The rest of it is Denton only. A-T

00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:37.000
rain is the whole service.

00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:41.000
It's all A-Train boardings and what we have there.

00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:46.000
So, Mark, I'll leave it to you if you want to pass that on.

00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:50.860
A lot of discussion about passenger amenities and this is a

00:49:50.860 --> 00:49:55.239
map of all the things that exist and all the ones that are

00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:58.000
being built and where they're going.

00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.769
Just again, this is much as much a report as a presentation

00:50:00.769 --> 00:50:03.000
. So I'm going to click through these pretty quick.

00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.260
These are all the ones that were done in March, April. OK,

00:50:05.260 --> 00:50:08.000
yeah, I'm really interested in this subject.

00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:11.349
Got it. I know we have a lot to cover, but just is the

00:50:11.349 --> 00:50:15.000
objective to ultimately have everything have shelters or?

00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.820
So we don't think that we try to get it to where we look at

00:50:18.820 --> 00:50:20.000
the highest.

00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:23.800
There's two criteria. I want to say there's a hard criteria

00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:26.000
. One, it has to be space.

00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:29.219
Right. It's got to be room for it. The second one is we try

00:50:29.219 --> 00:50:34.000
to place these at the highest ridership locations or and we

00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:34.000
know.

00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:37.000
So we don't have it's generally at the twenty five fifty.

00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:39.000
We try to get a good number of people stop in there.

00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:42.690
And so if we have there's a third piece, which is there an

00:50:42.690 --> 00:50:45.000
accessible route to get there.

00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:48.289
So that's coordinate with the city on sidewalks. I'm going

00:50:48.289 --> 00:50:50.309
to show you some pictures of some of the work we did, which

00:50:50.309 --> 00:50:53.000
will explain a lot of what our effort has been.

00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:56.469
But Mark will have a copy of this. This is the status of

00:50:56.469 --> 00:51:00.000
all the stops that we're working on right now.

00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:03.260
And so let me click through this and I'll go back if you

00:51:03.260 --> 00:51:05.000
need to. So we've got March, April.

00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.219
This is what has already been done in May and June. All

00:51:08.219 --> 00:51:13.000
these different locations, more that are already complete.

00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:17.739
And then these are the ones these two pages are what we're

00:51:17.739 --> 00:51:20.000
what are underway for July.

00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:23.199
And then we've got some permits in review now and bring

00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:27.739
those up. So so the whole thing when we say these are the

00:51:27.739 --> 00:51:30.000
things we're doing, this is what it looks like.

00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:33.119
So we want to have an accessible boarding area already got

00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:36.190
a sidewalk, one place to stand so they can the bus can drop

00:51:36.190 --> 00:51:39.599
the ramp down and they could step directly on the bus

00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:41.000
without having to walk through the mud.

00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:46.010
So that's actually really close to her student housing area

00:51:46.010 --> 00:51:48.000
, accessible ramp.

00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:52.039
How can we get there again? Getting a boarding area

00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:54.000
sidewalk for a path.

00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:56.940
Don't do a whole lot of those, but there's some steps we're

00:51:56.940 --> 00:51:59.000
trying to figure out.

00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:02.800
That's what our bus shelters look like with a ramp, get

00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:06.000
people in there and more another accessible boarding area.

00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:10.940
So with that, I went a long ways. Sorry. What are your

00:52:10.940 --> 00:52:12.000
questions?

00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.369
I don't mean to hug Johnny, just haven't made a signal or

00:52:14.369 --> 00:52:15.000
anything.

00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:16.000
I'm good. Yeah.

00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.000
I had several conversations.

00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.000
Over the years.

00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.000
Yes.

00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.000
We'll be back. You know that.

00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.000
Anytime you want me to come, I'll come.

00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:30.269
Any updates for us on the labor situation with the bus

00:52:30.269 --> 00:52:31.000
drivers?

00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:34.000
We're, you know, we're.

00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:36.000
Let me set the stage for that too.

00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.179
Our contractor first transit is they are responsible for

00:52:39.179 --> 00:52:41.760
providing general management of a sub corporation which is

00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:44.000
transportation management in Denton County.

00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:45.909
They actually hold the CBA, which is a collective

00:52:45.909 --> 00:52:47.000
bargaining agreement.

00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:50.260
Look, we've got great drivers. They do a great job. They're

00:52:50.260 --> 00:52:52.000
safe. They could provide great customer service.

00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.219
We're going to work a long term game that's going to be in

00:52:55.219 --> 00:52:57.000
everybody's best benefit.

00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:00.000
And I believe we'll end up with the right answer.

00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.000
We've the contract expired.

00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:05.000
So there's been a longer time than we'd hoped.

00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:08.519
But we've been working through that and I feel pretty

00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:12.000
comfortable that we're going to be in good shape.

00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:17.000
So that's our that's what we're working towards.

00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.000
And those are always sensitive things.

00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:24.000
So a little bit of grace will work through this.

00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:29.000
Thank you very much. It's really interesting.

00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:32.000
Go ahead, Mr. Chair, just for those who are viewing at home

00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:36.000
and those who may want to to take a look at this

00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:40.000
presentation that Mr. Klein has, we will get that.

00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:44.000
It was not ready for when we posted the agenda.

00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.769
So we'll have that posted on our website so they can go

00:53:47.769 --> 00:53:50.000
back and take a look at that.

00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.519
And obviously, I think you had some questions about some of

00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:54.909
the different stops that they're enhancing and that'll

00:53:54.909 --> 00:53:57.269
allow you an opportunity to go through those one by one if

00:53:57.269 --> 00:53:58.000
you wish.

00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.000
Right. So that'll be public information.

00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.000
It is. No, no, no worries.

00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:04.659
And again, if you have questions about the data, it's all

00:54:04.659 --> 00:54:06.000
in an Excel spreadsheet.

00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:11.389
So do the math to your and if we need if we can help, we

00:54:11.389 --> 00:54:14.000
need something else. You need something else.

00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:17.000
Tell us and we'll work on it. We'll get that together.

00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:19.199
Thank you so much. Thank you so much for your time and

00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:21.000
always a privilege to come and visit with you.

00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:23.000
Thank you.

00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:25.000
All right. Okay. Okay.

00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:29.980
So it's a what do we what do we take five minutes since you

00:54:29.980 --> 00:54:31.000
didn't go in for.

00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:42.099
Well, no, no, no. Okay. We'll take one minute for Council

00:54:42.099 --> 00:54:46.000
member breaks to rejoin us.

00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:54.260
We'll take a minute for Councilmember Texas that allow them

00:54:54.260 --> 00:55:01.000
to go ahead and present and move on with their day.

00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:02.000
Okay.

00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:06.659
Welcome back. We're going to skip ahead and do item E

00:55:06.659 --> 00:55:10.000
because we have some folks have some time constraints.

00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:14.409
Item E MC 18 dash 0 31 receiver report hold a discussion

00:55:14.409 --> 00:55:17.380
and provide direction regarding the University of North

00:55:17.380 --> 00:55:20.000
Texas is bike share pilot proposal.

00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.769
Consider the recommendation of an ordinance amending

00:55:22.769 --> 00:55:26.070
ordinance to 2018 dash nine oh three related to the inter

00:55:26.070 --> 00:55:29.780
local agreement between the city of Denton and the

00:55:29.780 --> 00:55:32.000
University of North Texas.

00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:41.230
Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Mr. Chair committee Mark

00:55:41.230 --> 00:55:41.760
Nelson director of transportation. So I've got a very short

00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:45.190
part of this conversation and then I'll turn it over to Dr.

00:55:45.190 --> 00:55:47.000
Clark with the University of North Texas.

00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:50.760
Longer the short is, as you may recall, the city of Denton

00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:54.559
and the University of North Texas worked out an interlocal

00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:58.239
agreement between the two agencies to to assist with the

00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:03.280
provision of bike share essentially University of North

00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:08.219
Texas had identified a private sector vendor to manage or

00:56:08.219 --> 00:56:12.179
at least do the logistical side of a bike share program on

00:56:12.179 --> 00:56:13.000
campus.

00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:18.510
They were recently advised by that operator spin that they

00:56:18.510 --> 00:56:23.780
'd no longer be providing that type of platform as part of

00:56:23.780 --> 00:56:28.000
their shared alternative transportation services.

00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.829
And so therefore, what we're looking at doing is moving

00:56:31.829 --> 00:56:36.000
forward with amending our existing or amending the existing

00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:40.010
ordinance to remove the reference to spin and essentially

00:56:40.010 --> 00:56:44.019
work directly with the University of North Texas and North

00:56:44.019 --> 00:56:48.519
Texas would at that point in time, provide us a point of

00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:51.000
contact with their logistical partner.

00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:54.440
But again, because the program is owned, funded and

00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.800
operated by the University of North Texas, we would

00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:01.559
continue to work through the University of North Texas but

00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:04.000
then have that point of contact.

00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:10.550
So with that, I'd like to invite Dr. Clark with the

00:57:10.550 --> 00:57:18.039
university to come up and walk through his presentation and

00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:24.889
give a little bit more information as it relates to that

00:57:24.889 --> 00:57:28.119
particular program. And, and then I can come back up and

00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:28.340
answer any questions that you may have in terms of how we

00:57:28.340 --> 00:57:28.579
might advance or otherwise move forward with a with a

00:57:28.579 --> 00:57:29.000
revision to the existing interlocal agreement.

00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:37.000
Dr. Clark.

00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:42.289
Good afternoon. My name is Alan Clark, I am an alumni from

00:57:42.289 --> 00:57:47.000
the University of North Texas and Texas Women's University

00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:53.150
began work on my doctoral program in 1997 and just never

00:57:53.150 --> 00:57:54.000
left.

00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:58.940
And, and have been having the opportunity to understand and

00:57:58.940 --> 00:58:03.579
look at transportation and things are a little different

00:58:03.579 --> 00:58:07.000
than than what we've known in the past.

00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:14.780
I've never had the instance where a company has come back

00:58:14.780 --> 00:58:21.889
and said you know what we're just not going to do that

00:58:21.889 --> 00:58:25.369
business anymore. That was new to me and so we felt like we

00:58:25.369 --> 00:58:25.949
were we really needed to come to you and tell you where we

00:58:25.949 --> 00:58:26.460
were we, we felt like we're still on track to have a

00:58:26.460 --> 00:58:27.000
bicycle share program.

00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.929
In the four when classes begin but it kind of sets us back

00:58:30.929 --> 00:58:34.800
as to phasing and us, maintaining the operations and

00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:38.409
changing the bike color so that they represent the

00:58:38.409 --> 00:58:43.000
university in our Texas and have that green appeal to them.

00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:48.000
But with that, what what have we learned well we've learned

00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:53.010
that that the transportation world, everybody's getting

00:58:53.010 --> 00:58:55.000
into that business.

00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:59.309
And there are a lot of venture capital companies that are

00:58:59.309 --> 00:59:03.809
jumping in, and they see where there's an opportunity and

00:59:03.809 --> 00:59:08.300
then when the opportunity may be different, they're just

00:59:08.300 --> 00:59:12.820
transitioning away from that and going into other types of

00:59:12.820 --> 00:59:16.000
venues and so the company we had talked to just basically

00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:20.000
let us know it we're going into the scooter business.

00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:23.880
We as as the University of North Texas, we're not going

00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:29.130
into the scooter business we've got basically 40,000 people

00:59:29.130 --> 00:59:33.619
on 200 acres that are there, and we feel like we need more

00:59:33.619 --> 00:59:38.000
control that comes with bikes we've had bikes on campus.

00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:41.289
The last time I addressed this committee we were talking

00:59:41.289 --> 00:59:44.000
about we had 1700 bikes on campus.

00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:49.030
Why are we doing this well, because at the end of this year

00:59:49.030 --> 00:59:54.710
we collected 300 bikes that were just left and we feel like

00:59:54.710 --> 00:59:59.000
with that transition into the bike program.

00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:02.760
Hopefully we can convince people to leave their bikes at

01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:06.980
home and come share our bikes. And so, when we had talked a

01:00:06.980 --> 01:00:11.000
bit about this and brought it to the council itself.

01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:13.809
So originally we're going to and what we're intent is to

01:00:13.809 --> 01:00:17.199
start out with 100 bikes, move on to probably 250 by

01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:20.440
somewhere in the October, November timeframe, but we've got

01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:23.260
to learn some stuff first and we'll come back and let you

01:00:23.260 --> 01:00:25.000
know what we've learned.

01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:29.599
There are some things we do want to look at and that's a DA

01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:32.000
assist in the bike world.

01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:35.289
And so we're going to start out with just plain bikes that

01:00:35.289 --> 01:00:38.739
everybody's accustomed to riding, but this company does

01:00:38.739 --> 01:00:41.000
have an electric assist program.

01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:44.199
And in that program you're able to go and set it up for

01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:47.760
somebody with heart conditions or somebody with health

01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:51.369
issues, so that you get into situations where there's an

01:00:51.369 --> 01:00:55.199
incline or there's a long track, you can engage electricity

01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:57.000
to help you with that.

01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:02.280
They also have actual ADA bikes where that are hand rotated

01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:04.000
, then by feet.

01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:07.320
And so we're going to take a heavy look at that over the

01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:10.960
fall semester, but we'll come to you and let you know what

01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:14.139
our plans are and what we think is going to be best to

01:01:14.139 --> 01:01:16.000
support our customers.

01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:20.409
Who did we choose we we felt like we needed to go with a

01:01:20.409 --> 01:01:25.090
company that had been in this for a long term and had kind

01:01:25.090 --> 01:01:28.000
of did it with their own money.

01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:31.289
So we went with VO ride and they're going to be our

01:01:31.289 --> 01:01:35.099
sponsors and in this case that we've already spoke with

01:01:35.099 --> 01:01:39.159
them on several occasions and they will be maintaining the

01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:43.230
logistics to make sure the bikes get out, but the bikes get

01:01:43.230 --> 01:01:46.590
back at seven o'clock every morning because we have to

01:01:46.590 --> 01:01:50.000
facilitate the transition from the parking

01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.349
to the bus mainly and and with new construction, where we

01:01:53.349 --> 01:01:57.349
lost 1200 spaces last year in the development of buildings

01:01:57.349 --> 01:02:00.619
which is great, it means we've got more opportunity for

01:02:00.619 --> 01:02:03.949
more students more growth, but that means we're parking

01:02:03.949 --> 01:02:05.000
further away.

01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:08.650
And with that we need this, this, this transportation

01:02:08.650 --> 01:02:12.449
opportunity to allow people to commute back in, we will be

01:02:12.449 --> 01:02:16.170
using the bus services that are there we will be using lift

01:02:16.170 --> 01:02:19.630
at night but we also want to have this as an option of how

01:02:19.630 --> 01:02:23.000
to address the fact that we really have to get out

01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:26.340
of the transfer, the parking business and get into the

01:02:26.340 --> 01:02:28.000
transportation business.

01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:32.170
We've talked about some of the things that have taken place

01:02:32.170 --> 01:02:35.489
and that we know about this company. One of the things that

01:02:35.489 --> 01:02:37.269
is a benefit to us. They build their own bikes and I'll

01:02:37.269 --> 01:02:39.269
show you an example of what their bike is and some of the

01:02:39.269 --> 01:02:42.000
things that made us decide on this bike.

01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:45.900
One of the things that comes with this is they can easily

01:02:45.900 --> 01:02:51.159
switch colors. And so that's a savings of about $50,000 for

01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:55.420
the university because they're just going to make the color

01:02:55.420 --> 01:02:58.829
switch in the production run. And so that won't be an

01:02:58.829 --> 01:03:00.000
additional expense for that.

01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:03.320
Another option was, we know for a university where we're at

01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:06.309
and what we're looking at the commuters are going to be

01:03:06.309 --> 01:03:10.039
about 30 minutes average commute and so that's 50 cents to

01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:13.110
us we the university will be paying this for the student

01:03:13.110 --> 01:03:15.000
writers, and then we'll look at this.

01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:17.000
This is a one year pilot.

01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:21.690
We will go out for RFP when we get close end into the next

01:03:21.690 --> 01:03:26.940
summer, and give everybody the opportunity to look at this

01:03:26.940 --> 01:03:31.210
and and Vio right understands that as well. The bike itself

01:03:31.210 --> 01:03:32.000
is that we're going to have to start out with and that's

01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:34.000
not a bad thing but we are going to brand

01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:38.179
this UNT as well. But we found out in the construction of

01:03:38.179 --> 01:03:41.000
this bike and what they have done.

01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:44.019
There's just some things that that we like in the

01:03:44.019 --> 01:03:48.000
adjustable seats the difference in the speed of the gears.

01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:52.039
Anti theft devices that are socially self parking

01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:56.710
capability, not self parking but we don't have to have the

01:03:56.710 --> 01:04:00.710
bike racks that we have today to be able to pike to to

01:04:00.710 --> 01:04:04.000
house these bikes in certain areas.

01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:08.170
And that will be good to us. This is how we will brand this

01:04:08.170 --> 01:04:12.789
bike at first, it'll be 100 by sat on campus when we start

01:04:12.789 --> 01:04:16.980
school, and the basket itself is going to have a UNT brand

01:04:16.980 --> 01:04:18.000
on it.

01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:22.909
Where do we go. We're hoping by the end of September 1 of

01:04:22.909 --> 01:04:28.139
October, we actually get the UNT branded bikes green, black

01:04:28.139 --> 01:04:33.349
hardware, white embossing of our UNT logo, and we're hoping

01:04:33.349 --> 01:04:38.000
that somewhere right around the first of October.

01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:41.320
We'll gather data throughout that time period come back to

01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:44.559
you and have a discussion with what we've learned, who's

01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:47.670
commuting where they're commuting where the bikes are

01:04:47.670 --> 01:04:51.000
ending up at night where we need to bring them back.

01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:54.429
And then the question is how many more bikes do we need to

01:04:54.429 --> 01:04:57.780
serve a capacity of that group, and does it need to be a

01:04:57.780 --> 01:05:00.989
different type of bike do we need E assist I, we will

01:05:00.989 --> 01:05:04.559
probably go ahead and move within the first month with the

01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:06.000
ADA bikes.

01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:09.400
We've got to get understand what that is and what that

01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:11.000
needs to take place.

01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:15.050
Anyway, we felt like it was the right thing for us to do

01:05:15.050 --> 01:05:19.190
and and and Mr Nelson and Mr pre temp they have done great

01:05:19.190 --> 01:05:23.329
things is as far as helping us understand and to have the

01:05:23.329 --> 01:05:27.760
integration of this into the city and working to benefit

01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.000
the university itself.

01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.969
But again, we're just we as a, even in our rules and

01:05:33.969 --> 01:05:39.000
regulations today, a scooter to us as a motorized vehicle.

01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:42.889
It has to be parked as a motorized vehicle, if it is just

01:05:42.889 --> 01:05:46.530
parked by a tree or beside a building, it becomes an

01:05:46.530 --> 01:05:49.000
abandoned motorized vehicle.

01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:52.210
So, you know, it's some things that we're going to have to

01:05:52.210 --> 01:05:55.309
have that discussion but our intent right now is to stick

01:05:55.309 --> 01:05:58.530
with the bicycles because of safety concerns will look at E

01:05:58.530 --> 01:06:01.829
assist to help others people commute, but using those same

01:06:01.829 --> 01:06:03.000
type of bikes.

01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:06.840
But I welcome any questions that you may have about what's

01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:08.000
taking place.

01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:12.110
The main thing we wanted you to know is where we need to go

01:06:12.110 --> 01:06:16.420
back to that interagency agreement and take out any vendor

01:06:16.420 --> 01:06:20.139
specific names and just and we the university have

01:06:20.139 --> 01:06:24.150
completed our application for the permit to be able to

01:06:24.150 --> 01:06:29.000
operate this as we had said before that has been completed

01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:29.000
I believe

01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.590
two weeks ago we finished that up and got that turned in,

01:06:32.590 --> 01:06:35.710
or it is in the process of being turned in right now

01:06:35.710 --> 01:06:39.760
through our purchasing group. But anyway, I open open to

01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:41.000
any questions.

01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:44.000
Councilmember breaks.

01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:47.000
The presentation.

01:06:47.000 --> 01:07:02.940
That was quick that the bikes moved moved out and on to

01:07:02.940 --> 01:07:07.000
scooters. And so we have a whole nother thing to talk about

01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:07.000
. You said something in your presentation just then that

01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:07.000
kind of caught my attention that you are less 1200 parking

01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:07.000
spaces now.

01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:11.630
That is great from from when I walked in. And they said

01:07:11.630 --> 01:07:14.420
okay transportation is yours and said well I welcome that

01:07:14.420 --> 01:07:17.440
opportunity. But the first thing that was said was, oh, by

01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:20.000
the way, you're losing 1200 space.

01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:22.480
Because of buildings that are being constructed. And so you

01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:25.449
have two parking garages on campus that is correct is that

01:07:25.449 --> 01:07:29.030
after those, you still are lacking the 1200 spaces that you

01:07:29.030 --> 01:07:30.000
used to have.

01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:33.699
That is correct. So two years ago we took enough parking

01:07:33.699 --> 01:07:38.360
spaces 1200 parking spaces and began construction. The new

01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:41.559
College of Visual Arts building was part of that. And then

01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:45.349
we have a new resident hall and a new greeting center that

01:07:45.349 --> 01:07:48.000
took out another 450 spaces that we had there.

01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:52.659
And so, in your comment you said parking is getting further

01:07:52.659 --> 01:07:56.610
and further away which means on to city streets and

01:07:56.610 --> 01:08:01.119
probably in more to residential areas. We, we are currently

01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:04.010
building a new lot, it will be ready when the semester

01:08:04.010 --> 01:08:07.000
begins and went and took a look at it before I came here.

01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:11.000
It will be 550 spaces.

01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:15.500
With that, we believe and we did well at the end of last

01:08:15.500 --> 01:08:20.000
year we were never caught at a time where we did not have

01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:24.899
spaces, but getting people to the right spaces meant that

01:08:24.899 --> 01:08:29.000
we turned to our freshman and said you're new.

01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:33.239
So you get to go across the university and park over by Apo

01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:37.760
gee Stadium, because we had a lot of spaces there but nobody

01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:41.000
wanted to use them. Once we did that.

01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:49.420
We were able to have enough and Fouts Field to accommodate

01:08:49.420 --> 01:08:57.270
and so we never saw a time last year where we did not have

01:08:57.270 --> 01:09:03.000
spaces and that was kind of new to us.

01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:14.119
We have another 1200 spaces. And so, we, we feel fine about

01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:16.060
what's taking place right now, but yes to answer your

01:09:16.060 --> 01:09:18.159
question, but we are we are hoping not to be pushing thing

01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:20.199
to more city streets we want to engage make sure we've got

01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:22.000
enough spaces for those who want to

01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:26.000
park on campus have that opportunity.

01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:30.310
I assume then since you mentioned that freshman parking at

01:09:30.310 --> 01:09:34.420
Apogee that would be a great place for the bikes to be that

01:09:34.420 --> 01:09:36.000
it's pretty far.

01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:39.310
And I just want to confirm that we have a safe path for

01:09:39.310 --> 01:09:43.000
those bikes to get from Apogee across to the I know there's

01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:46.000
a new the new bridge and that's designed.

01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:51.229
So, and then there's the walking bridge but as well so just

01:09:51.229 --> 01:09:56.140
to confirm that it is safe for the students to get across

01:09:56.140 --> 01:10:01.029
from over there on a bike to the campus, and we, we, in

01:10:01.029 --> 01:10:06.000
that we greatly picked up the bus routes going to DC ta.

01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:09.439
That was parking over there, but students just made the

01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:12.930
decision, I want to get to campus and they were walking at

01:10:12.930 --> 01:10:16.590
the time, and they were using the actual pedestrian bridge

01:10:16.590 --> 01:10:20.079
going across and that's what we're hoping will also be the

01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:22.000
use of the bikes as well.

01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:25.789
They have clear path to the pedestrian bridge from that

01:10:25.789 --> 01:10:27.000
parking area.

01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:30.649
We will quarantine is not the right word but I might have

01:10:30.649 --> 01:10:34.239
lost of it we will bring bikes together each night to be

01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:38.100
corralled is a better word, so that students can start out

01:10:38.100 --> 01:10:41.000
from that point and make their way over.

01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:44.180
And then, by this method what was happening before is they

01:10:44.180 --> 01:10:47.289
were bringing their bike over and it's like, oh you know I

01:10:47.289 --> 01:10:50.000
got to go to another building and it got left.

01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:53.069
Because the tire was flat, and it never moved. And so what

01:10:53.069 --> 01:10:55.960
we're hoping is with this, they're able to come over and

01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:58.810
they stop at the library mall and you know what they make

01:10:58.810 --> 01:11:02.000
their way to Wooten and then back out to the CVAD building

01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:04.000
and it's like oh here's another bike.

01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:07.210
I can make my way back. If not, then we're going to have a

01:11:07.210 --> 01:11:10.800
with this company and they know it and we will also have

01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:14.680
people on nighttime crew to go pick up bikes, but they have

01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:18.079
got to get back to greet those morning commutes each

01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:19.000
morning.

01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:22.069
Okay, Mr. Chair, if I may thank you answer one of the

01:11:22.069 --> 01:11:25.000
questions that Councilmember Briggs raised.

01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:28.520
You may recall, actually another interlocal agreement

01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:31.970
partnership with the University of North Texas with the

01:11:31.970 --> 01:11:35.439
aesthetics on North Texas Boulevard, that particular

01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:39.079
project widen one of the one of the sidewalks there to 15

01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:43.229
feet and then was able to get the other one to seven feet

01:11:43.229 --> 01:11:44.000
wide so they're, they're

01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:48.869
there at North Texas Boulevard it's a it's a wider, wider

01:11:48.869 --> 01:11:53.390
pedestrian and bike use path at that location and part of

01:11:53.390 --> 01:11:58.000
partnership with the University of North Texas and text up.

01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:02.000
It's also well patrolled 20 mile an hour zone.

01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:05.220
And we just we just completed a new sidewalk that runs down

01:12:05.220 --> 01:12:08.300
there to the parking area by apogee victory area to make

01:12:08.300 --> 01:12:11.380
its way up to North Texas Boulevard so that we don't have

01:12:11.380 --> 01:12:14.680
the people in the middle of the street any longer, that has

01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:17.000
been taken care of as well.

01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:23.010
So we feel comfortable about what we're doing, but we know

01:12:23.010 --> 01:12:28.289
we need to be in the transportation business not the

01:12:28.289 --> 01:12:33.000
parking business. And we're learning. This was once one

01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:33.000
instance we took one step forward and two back, but we feel

01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:33.000
like we recover quickly.

01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:36.170
You know we'll meet the needs of our students, but it also

01:12:36.170 --> 01:12:39.310
means our students are going to have to be more informed.

01:12:39.310 --> 01:12:42.569
Why is there about what's taking place. This company will

01:12:42.569 --> 01:12:45.539
have an app it'll be able to go in and say okay where's the

01:12:45.539 --> 01:12:47.000
closest bike to me.

01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:59.069
And we'll have information regarding myself as a writer, my

01:12:59.069 --> 01:13:07.069
usage, where I get on where I get off. And, and overall as

01:13:07.069 --> 01:13:07.279
a part of that, but we as university, at least for this

01:13:07.279 --> 01:13:07.489
first year will be picking up the cost of this using

01:13:07.489 --> 01:13:07.699
transportation fee dollars to try to help with this, this

01:13:07.699 --> 01:13:08.000
growing transportation

01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:12.000
need at the university.

01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:15.619
I just have, you know, a couple of questions just out of

01:13:15.619 --> 01:13:19.579
curiosity, in your opinion, is it possible that spin knows

01:13:19.579 --> 01:13:23.000
something that VO just hasn't figured out yet.

01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:28.000
I believe that VO.

01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:33.479
These, these groups right now there's there's, there's a,

01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:38.300
as they put it to me there's a loophole in the legalities

01:13:38.300 --> 01:13:42.539
of what a scooter is and where it can go. I don't know if y

01:13:42.539 --> 01:13:44.640
'all saw on the news five just recently, they were talking

01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:46.000
about it and this young man they

01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:51.079
interviewed him he said well I don't know where I'm

01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:56.729
supposed to ride this I can't ride it on the sidewalks and

01:13:56.729 --> 01:14:02.000
I'm not supposed to ride it in the streets and so. But

01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:02.000
there's a loophole of what is motorized vehicle, and there

01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:02.000
were running into the same behavior that we saw with

01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:05.640
motorized bikes oh just let's just go dry, drop these scoot

01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:09.380
ers out there and let people start getting on those. And now

01:14:09.380 --> 01:14:12.979
you see different organizations different cities coming

01:14:12.979 --> 01:14:16.250
back said oh by the way, you're not going to ride these

01:14:16.250 --> 01:14:19.000
through the trails of Dallas you're

01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:23.109
not going to be riding these through the different places

01:14:23.109 --> 01:14:27.500
that we have parks and recreation. Ourself you're not going

01:14:27.500 --> 01:14:31.670
to ride these on the sidewalks that are associated with the

01:14:31.670 --> 01:14:33.000
university. I didn't actually mean to take off into the

01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:33.000
scooter part I just thought like

01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:36.220
they seem to figure it out that the, that the bike part isn

01:14:36.220 --> 01:14:39.430
't, you know, may not be a workable model as I recall they

01:14:39.430 --> 01:14:42.960
were operating on 14 campuses around the country and they

01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:45.000
're backing out of all that.

01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:47.550
They're backing out of the other organizations they just

01:14:47.550 --> 01:14:50.130
were not going to start with us they said they're, they're

01:14:50.130 --> 01:14:52.479
focused was going to be in that area. I mean the way you

01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:54.000
know it sort of doesn't matter in terms of our deal with

01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:56.000
that's your business.

01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:59.380
The only other piece that sort of relevant to us that have

01:14:59.380 --> 01:15:02.000
been addressed this I recall last time.

01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:06.210
Part of the model included the ability for non students to

01:15:06.210 --> 01:15:10.640
use the bikes. Is that still part of it, you know, is there

01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:14.930
a mechanism for that with with video, we have we have asked

01:15:14.930 --> 01:15:19.640
that this this group also apply for the permitting with the

01:15:19.640 --> 01:15:20.000
city as well

01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:23.920
so that if there is a person who wishes to commute off

01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:28.460
campus, or if somebody individually wants to use this bike

01:15:28.460 --> 01:15:32.000
they would be able to use this bike as well.

01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:39.000
We're ready to provide direction.

01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:54.039
I'm listening. Just, just to recap, Mr. Chair. Again we

01:15:54.039 --> 01:15:54.439
have ordinance 18 ordinance 18 dash 903 which is an inter

01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:54.739
local agreement between the University of North Texas and

01:15:54.739 --> 01:15:55.000
the city of Denton.

01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:58.270
What we're looking to do, or what we're requesting as a

01:15:58.270 --> 01:16:01.630
staff for the committee to do is make a recommendation to

01:16:01.630 --> 01:16:05.199
counsel to remove any reference to spin, and then allow the

01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:09.000
University of North Texas to work directly with the city of

01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:12.000
Denton staff on management of the

01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:15.800
University of North Texas bike share program and so we work

01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:20.000
through our both legal councils to move that forward.

01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:30.350
Thank you. Councilmember Briggs, make a motion to amend

01:16:30.350 --> 01:16:32.010
this interlocal agreement between the city of Denton and

01:16:32.010 --> 01:16:33.600
University North Texas removing spin and sending it to

01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:34.000
counsel for approval.

01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:38.409
If we need a motion to provide direction but I'll second it

01:16:38.409 --> 01:16:39.000
if we do.

01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:41.000
Discussion.

01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:43.000
All in favor.

01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:46.670
There's your direction. Seems like a consent agenda item to

01:16:46.670 --> 01:16:47.000
me.

01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:50.000
Very well. Thank you. Thank you.

01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:51.000
Thank you.

01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:58.000
Right, should we go back then to to item D.

01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:00.000
No objection.

01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:03.300
MC 18 dash 30 receiver report and hold the discussion on

01:17:03.300 --> 01:17:05.850
the status of the loop 288 project and make a

01:17:05.850 --> 01:17:09.029
recommendation to Denton City Council recommending project

01:17:09.029 --> 01:17:12.000
sequencing of loop 288 project components.

01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:16.109
So, good afternoon mark Nelson, director of transportation

01:17:16.109 --> 01:17:19.680
here with the city of Denton going to hit this very fairly

01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:23.609
quickly and then with with our transportation consultant,

01:17:23.609 --> 01:17:27.149
john pollster can can also add to it but long and short we

01:17:27.149 --> 01:17:30.000
are at a point now with the schematic design on

01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:37.590
with loop 288 that we're at a point where we need to

01:17:37.590 --> 01:17:43.520
communicate with text dot as to whether or how we sequence

01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:44.000
the project.

01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:48.560
In other words, this particular project. It's a $40 million

01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:52.720
project, and it's securing the right of way. In other words

01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:57.520
, the corridor as to where loop 288 West loop 288 will go,

01:17:57.520 --> 01:18:02.000
and then it will construct the, it will construct a phased

01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:07.640
approach, it will be a frontage roads for one, either north

01:18:07.640 --> 01:18:09.000
bound or southbound.

01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.390
And then once additional funding comes at a later date, the

01:18:12.390 --> 01:18:15.770
full width so the main lanes would be constructed, and then

01:18:15.770 --> 01:18:19.090
the other frontage road would be constructed at that point

01:18:19.090 --> 01:18:20.000
in time.

01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:24.609
And so what we're looking to do at this point in time is

01:18:24.609 --> 01:18:29.850
advance a recommendation to text on for for that particular

01:18:29.850 --> 01:18:34.979
frontage road and what staff is recommending is advancing

01:18:34.979 --> 01:18:40.279
the northbound frontage road, as it's on the inside, and

01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:44.000
provide development opportunity associated with the

01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:47.670
airport. We've got a, we've got the route up here this is a

01:18:47.670 --> 01:18:50.979
little bit older because this actually came out of our

01:18:50.979 --> 01:18:55.510
airport master plan, which was approved in 2015. It shows

01:18:55.510 --> 01:18:58.989
where the corridor actually goes along, or the alignment

01:18:58.989 --> 01:19:03.000
goes along here on the south end along 2449

01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:06.810
and we've actually had to push that out a little bit here

01:19:06.810 --> 01:19:10.880
to avoid some conflicts with a power line, and one of these

01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:14.979
couple of these gas wells here and here. So that actually

01:19:14.979 --> 01:19:18.270
goes out a little bit further you got another document in

01:19:18.270 --> 01:19:21.000
your backup that kind of that has

01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:24.170
a revised alignment, I wanted to provide this simply

01:19:24.170 --> 01:19:27.649
because this is actually a document that's been approved by

01:19:27.649 --> 01:19:31.010
Council showing that it is in our airport master plan it is

01:19:31.010 --> 01:19:34.449
demonstrating the benefit to the airport, as well as some

01:19:34.449 --> 01:19:37.000
of the other economic

01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:40.289
development opportunities on the west side of our, our

01:19:40.289 --> 01:19:43.859
community to include the, the industrial area so Mr. Poul

01:19:43.859 --> 01:19:47.149
ster if you've got anything else to add to that in terms of

01:19:47.149 --> 01:19:50.369
timing sequencing or benefits, be happy to take those

01:19:50.369 --> 01:19:52.000
comments at this point.

01:19:52.000 --> 01:20:07.100
So the project is anticipated to be environmentally cleared

01:20:07.100 --> 01:20:08.000
.

01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:20.409
The northbound frontage road cost is roughly about 40

01:20:20.409 --> 01:20:23.460
million. And what that would do is the state would acquire

01:20:23.460 --> 01:20:24.140
all the right away for the entire 350 400 feet width of the

01:20:24.140 --> 01:20:24.720
controlled freeway, and then simply build the one frontage

01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:28.000
road and operate as a one way to lane road for a period of

01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:31.880
time, which would allow the city then to develop their

01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:35.850
infrastructure inside the loop to tie into the frontage

01:20:35.850 --> 01:20:39.979
road at its permanent location we build a northbound front

01:20:39.979 --> 01:20:43.000
age road and it's permanent location.

01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:47.409
And then, more importantly, we have great separations in

01:20:47.409 --> 01:20:51.470
areas so that we have a continuous flow for the main lanes

01:20:51.470 --> 01:20:55.659
at the railroad track not only will the, the main lanes go

01:20:55.659 --> 01:21:01.270
over the railroad track, so will the frontage roads, so the

01:21:01.270 --> 01:21:02.000
frontage and the main lanes

01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:06.409
will come up on a bridge structure that will over overpass

01:21:06.409 --> 01:21:10.340
the railroad so at no time we have a loss of continuous

01:21:10.340 --> 01:21:13.000
frontage road connectivity.

01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:15.960
One of the things we have to tweak going forward is the

01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:19.000
direct connect up at Luke 288 and 35.

01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:22.850
The main lanes of Luke 288 and the 35 project designed

01:21:22.850 --> 01:21:26.270
across but the frontage roads, stop and make a U turn it's

01:21:26.270 --> 01:21:29.359
like they come up to a river, and they just turn back

01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:33.000
around so we're, we're arguing with the state that those

01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:36.000
frontage roads need to continue across to the

01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:37.000
existing loop.

01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:40.479
And we'll make that change in this schematic versus the 35

01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:43.670
project which will go over in a minute on the other project

01:21:43.670 --> 01:21:44.000
.

01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:47.800
And then the other thing changes like Mark was saying with

01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:50.000
major tweaks on the south end.

01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:54.050
The access point to the loop and 35 W is not a jug handle

01:21:54.050 --> 01:21:58.039
anymore it'll be a direct connect similar to what you see

01:21:58.039 --> 01:22:01.689
on the northern segment but it'll only be the direct

01:22:01.689 --> 01:22:04.000
connects on the loop side.

01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:07.819
It'll be a standard diamond box with the frontage roads and

01:22:07.819 --> 01:22:11.260
vintage comes up to a stop sign signal at the frontage

01:22:11.260 --> 01:22:15.020
roads, because in order to do the direct connects on that

01:22:15.020 --> 01:22:19.000
side we'd have to get into that neighborhood and vintage

01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:21.000
really wasn't designed to be the loop.

01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:25.000
Right, so we're kind of precluding that movement.

01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:28.020
So those only major issues is we're great separating

01:22:28.020 --> 01:22:31.550
completely the railroad, plus some other cross streets, we

01:22:31.550 --> 01:22:34.810
're doing a direct connect on the loop side at the south and

01:22:34.810 --> 01:22:38.000
a full direct connect at 288 to the north.

01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:42.909
Plus we're going to push for frontage roads crossing the

01:22:42.909 --> 01:22:44.000
interstate.

01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:48.409
The vintage road that you just mentioned in this committee,

01:22:48.409 --> 01:22:52.319
look at that and make a future decision and that what you

01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:56.609
're talking about here we are applying that decision to that

01:22:56.609 --> 01:23:00.739
schematic so we're not doing anything on the vintage side

01:23:00.739 --> 01:23:04.000
for the direct connects all we're doing is on the 288

01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:17.000
loop side so that it doesn't impact the neighborhood. Okay,

01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:17.000
thank you.

01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:24.350
I know that the service roads on this were in the call 2020

01:23:24.350 --> 01:23:29.930
or 2045 plan is, is their plan for both to try and fund

01:23:29.930 --> 01:23:31.000
both sides.

01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:37.649
So that mobility 2045 is financially constrained 25 year

01:23:37.649 --> 01:23:44.970
program, the remaining 210 or 212 million is outside the 10

01:23:44.970 --> 01:23:50.380
year plan that is financially constrained that they dealt

01:23:50.380 --> 01:23:52.000
with last Thursday RTC.

01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:55.000
So we got the frontage roads funded.

01:23:55.000 --> 01:24:01.000
But the reality is once you acquire the right away.

01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:04.000
Once we get environmentally cleared next year.

01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:07.000
You have said this a lot at this committee.

01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:09.899
Funding is never the problem, regulatory processes the

01:24:09.899 --> 01:24:13.199
problem so once we get past the environmental clearance. We

01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:18.149
were pushed to reignite this project a couple years ago by

01:24:18.149 --> 01:24:22.000
text that so they want this, this facility.

01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:25.800
And I'll tell you that all to your motive is at some point

01:24:25.800 --> 01:24:29.939
they want university to be y'all's, and they take the truck

01:24:29.939 --> 01:24:32.000
routes around the loop.

01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:35.170
Future plans, you can say no but that's their ulterior

01:24:35.170 --> 01:24:37.000
motive for building the loop.

01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:41.109
Mr. Pulsar real quick, you spoke to regular regulatory, and

01:24:41.109 --> 01:24:44.939
can you give a 90 second on financially constrained for

01:24:44.939 --> 01:24:49.000
those that are unaware of that or maybe watching from home.

01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:53.779
So, the federal government requires you to develop a plan

01:24:53.779 --> 01:24:59.000
for your region over 2022 year 25 year period.

01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:03.659
And you have to constrain it to what the projected revenue

01:25:03.659 --> 01:25:05.000
streams are.

01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:07.770
And you know what the first 10 years are because there's a

01:25:07.770 --> 01:25:10.590
10 year highway plan that the state puts together that's

01:25:10.590 --> 01:25:12.000
actual got funding in it.

01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:15.539
And then you make certain assumptions about the last 15

01:25:15.539 --> 01:25:18.850
years, and the feds have to look at your assumptions and

01:25:18.850 --> 01:25:22.000
say yeah, those assumptions don't seem crazy.

01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:26.449
They seem reasonable and that dollar amount equals up to $

01:25:26.449 --> 01:25:28.000
15 billion.

01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:32.800
And so then the region puts together through the RTC

01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:39.399
mobility plan for that 25 years called the 2045 mobility

01:25:39.399 --> 01:25:44.270
plan they just adopted in June has a list of projects

01:25:44.270 --> 01:25:47.000
transit freeway toll roads.

01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:51.460
And they fund it, they put out your cost to it and that

01:25:51.460 --> 01:25:56.369
total plan has to meet that financial assumption that the

01:25:56.369 --> 01:25:58.000
feds approved.

01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:01.930
Now, we have about another $50 billion worth of need during

01:26:01.930 --> 01:26:06.000
that 25 year period that's not financially constrained.

01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:10.180
So in the 10 year plan, the loops got funding for the front

01:26:10.180 --> 01:26:14.000
age road, but not the main lanes.

01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:17.069
But every year they add on a new year, right, and have a

01:26:17.069 --> 01:26:18.000
carryover.

01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:23.000
And so by the time we need it, we'll get it.

01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:26.649
I'm not sure if that answered your question. I think that

01:26:26.649 --> 01:26:28.000
helps.

01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:31.399
You're asking us to recommend project sequencing. So are

01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:33.000
there alternatives.

01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:36.960
To put a fine point on it, the state and the county who's

01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:41.479
actually paying for the engineering, they're ambivalent as

01:26:41.479 --> 01:26:44.000
to what part we do first right.

01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:47.609
The state wants to do what's best for the city of Denton,

01:26:47.609 --> 01:26:51.239
because the city has most of the dogs in the hunt here with

01:26:51.239 --> 01:26:53.000
their development.

01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:55.880
So the state's going, we're only going to build one front

01:26:55.880 --> 01:26:59.079
age road city. What do you want to do? And my recommendation

01:26:59.079 --> 01:27:02.220
, I think the staff's recommendation would be the northbound

01:27:02.220 --> 01:27:05.000
furniture because it's in the interior.

01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:08.180
Right, which means that all connections you make for the

01:27:08.180 --> 01:27:11.000
airport, the new power plant facility, etc.

01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:14.170
Would tie into the frontage road in its future state. So

01:27:14.170 --> 01:27:17.609
there's no throw away for any of the cross streets that you

01:27:17.609 --> 01:27:19.000
bring to that road.

01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:23.109
And that way you can go ahead and set your your thorough

01:27:23.109 --> 01:27:27.329
fare plan improvements consistent with a road that will be

01:27:27.329 --> 01:27:30.000
there when the projects completed.

01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:32.550
Ultimately, so to answer your question. Yes, there are

01:27:32.550 --> 01:27:35.930
options. The option one as outlined in the backup material

01:27:35.930 --> 01:27:39.649
is the northbound frontage, which is a staff recommendation

01:27:39.649 --> 01:27:40.000
.

01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:44.979
Southbound frontage is option two, which is obviously an

01:27:44.979 --> 01:27:46.000
option.

01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:49.029
Again, with the northbound frontage, it's a little bit

01:27:49.029 --> 01:27:51.000
closer in ties us to the airport.

01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:55.170
We feel that that's a little bit more beneficial to our

01:27:55.170 --> 01:27:56.000
needs.

01:27:56.000 --> 01:27:59.170
And then certainly is take no action at this point in time

01:27:59.170 --> 01:28:02.449
and as Mr. Bolster indicated the county and the state can

01:28:02.449 --> 01:28:05.600
move, move forward and advance how they wish because is

01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:08.000
their project at this point in time.

01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:10.770
They're not a major stakeholder. They're they're seeking

01:28:10.770 --> 01:28:13.390
our input at this point in time, but it's good to work with

01:28:13.390 --> 01:28:16.069
our with our partners if we have the opportunity to provide

01:28:16.069 --> 01:28:19.000
a recommendation and desire on our end.

01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:21.000
That's member breaks.

01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:25.989
I'd like to hear from our engineer, Mr. S. If that's

01:28:25.989 --> 01:28:27.000
possible.

01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:33.000
And what you would recommend.

01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:38.000
I know our streets will tie in.

01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:40.000
Excuse me, I'm sorry.

01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:42.779
Yeah, I prefer from the engineering standpoint, our

01:28:42.779 --> 01:28:45.609
preference would be the northbound frontage roads, it

01:28:45.609 --> 01:28:48.220
physically locks in that interior boundary so when

01:28:48.220 --> 01:28:51.239
development comes in, which is where we're seeing the lion

01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:57.000
's share of the development west of I 35 filling in between

01:28:57.000 --> 01:28:58.000
this area right now.

01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:01.310
And as you start moving past that that is a longer term,

01:29:01.310 --> 01:29:04.710
but it also starts to lock into the discussion on the main

01:29:04.710 --> 01:29:08.100
lanes, where those exit ramps go for the main lanes down

01:29:08.100 --> 01:29:09.000
the road.

01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:12.170
When we start nailing down all of those components, the

01:29:12.170 --> 01:29:15.180
frontage road on the northbound side which would be the

01:29:15.180 --> 01:29:18.000
intern interior side would be the best for us.

01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:20.949
It also goes into the master thoroughfare plan as we start

01:29:20.949 --> 01:29:23.000
to nail down all those connections.

01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:26.859
Okay, so, so getting this taken care of now is probably the

01:29:26.859 --> 01:29:29.699
best option. We feel that it would be yes ma'am. Okay,

01:29:29.699 --> 01:29:31.000
thank you.

01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:33.399
Because the reason is is that once we get past

01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:36.729
environmental clearance, you know, early next year, the

01:29:36.729 --> 01:29:39.649
state and the county is moving right into the design of

01:29:39.649 --> 01:29:42.000
that frontage road so we need to know.

01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:45.699
They need to know what it is to design and that's why now

01:29:45.699 --> 01:29:48.000
is is a good time to tell them.

01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:54.750
Yeah, okay. Sorry if I'm a little slow absorbing all this

01:29:54.750 --> 01:29:57.090
so it's, you know, only the frontage road going to be built

01:29:57.090 --> 01:29:59.250
at some point you know or say, first, and then the main

01:29:59.250 --> 01:30:02.000
roads come back very similar.

01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:06.000
Have you seen spur 170 coming up by 35 w.

01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:11.460
So they built the frontage roads first, so that at some

01:30:11.460 --> 01:30:16.699
point in the future they could put the main lanes in in

01:30:16.699 --> 01:30:18.739
between. When construction goes on you've got the frontage

01:30:18.739 --> 01:30:19.630
roads are established on like 35 right now we're moving

01:30:19.630 --> 01:30:22.000
everybody all over the place.

01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:24.590
They built main lanes first and the front of the road later

01:30:24.590 --> 01:30:27.140
and then you got to expand all that to make it work. You

01:30:27.140 --> 01:30:29.500
put the frontage roads in, but used to driving the frontage

01:30:29.500 --> 01:30:32.140
roads and then when they do construction on the main lanes,

01:30:32.140 --> 01:30:34.000
1015 years out from now.

01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:38.609
Then they're ready to go in with minimum of impact to the

01:30:38.609 --> 01:30:40.000
actual traffic.

01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:42.229
I want to make sure I heard that right construction of the

01:30:42.229 --> 01:30:45.720
main lanes 10 to 15 years out. If it's that far I mean Mr

01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:48.000
pollsters that is very true.

01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:51.000
All right, it's as you pass environmental.

01:30:51.000 --> 01:31:03.140
Then as the plan moves out of the funding that's in, I am

01:31:03.140 --> 01:31:08.000
listening to this.

01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:14.930
I'm not fearful about this and don't see the urgency for it

01:31:14.930 --> 01:31:22.000
and so I kind of want to set proper expectation for them.

01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:22.000
So, so, for now they're just going to see, assuming we go

01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:22.000
forward with this recommendation.

01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:24.819
Yeah, that they're just they're going to see a frontage

01:31:24.819 --> 01:31:27.720
road be built, they're going to drive on it for a while and

01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:30.829
it'll be some time before the rest. Right. And I think part

01:31:30.829 --> 01:31:33.550
of what's going to happen with the neighborhood, the

01:31:33.550 --> 01:31:37.000
vintage neighborhood in particular, Mr poster I alluded to

01:31:37.000 --> 01:31:38.000
this earlier.

01:31:38.000 --> 01:31:41.829
What you see on the connection, all the way over on this

01:31:41.829 --> 01:31:45.810
other side down here. That's not what they're actually

01:31:45.810 --> 01:31:49.739
going to build it's going to look very similar to what you

01:31:49.739 --> 01:31:52.000
see on the north side here. And the reason for that is if

01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:52.000
you're coming off that highway.

01:31:52.000 --> 01:32:09.000
And the only direction you get to go is back to the west.

01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:15.430
And I think that for the short term, for the net over the

01:32:15.430 --> 01:32:22.550
next five to 10 years all we're going to have is a frontage

01:32:22.550 --> 01:32:25.000
road that really.

01:32:25.000 --> 01:32:29.310
Farm to market road 2449, and then start to curve and come

01:32:29.310 --> 01:32:33.229
back up with just the frontage road. So, that's all you're

01:32:33.229 --> 01:32:37.239
going to have. So, there's no real appreciable difference

01:32:37.239 --> 01:32:38.000
here.

01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:41.880
But what will happen is, as development starts to really

01:32:41.880 --> 01:32:45.409
accelerate in this area to the, and I know it's on the

01:32:45.409 --> 01:32:49.180
south side of the plan view, but to the west of I 35 is

01:32:49.180 --> 01:32:53.210
traffic now has multiple alternatives that gets them off of

01:32:53.210 --> 01:32:56.000
35 and looking for other routes that's already clogging

01:32:56.000 --> 01:33:00.039
this area down in, in the body break connection. Some of

01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:04.000
the areas that you will see backups on the highway that are

01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:08.539
occurring here as razor ranch continues to develop. They'll

01:33:08.539 --> 01:33:12.329
have alternative routes as people leave Peter built during

01:33:12.329 --> 01:33:14.000
shift changes, some of the other industrial

01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:16.689
complexes that are over in this area, they'll have

01:33:16.689 --> 01:33:19.899
alternative routes. It will also relieve some of the truck

01:33:19.899 --> 01:33:22.920
traffic that you see that is currently going in and out now

01:33:22.920 --> 01:33:26.119
it's just going to accelerate as this development continues

01:33:26.119 --> 01:33:27.000
to occur.

01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:30.000
And that's the message to the neighborhood.

01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:33.000
The growth is coming. It's coming to vintage road.

01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:35.949
We're, well we're doing our best to try to do to not

01:33:35.949 --> 01:33:38.939
encourage their travel to vintage by getting them

01:33:38.939 --> 01:33:42.479
alternative routes that are much more open and available to

01:33:42.479 --> 01:33:46.020
that type of traffic, get them to the interstate where they

01:33:46.020 --> 01:33:48.000
really need to be.

01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:52.000
So, for direction.

01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:57.229
I have a question regarding the, because you look in the,

01:33:57.229 --> 01:34:01.840
that's going to go through many many properties and

01:34:01.840 --> 01:34:06.670
property owners and sellers and are they aware of this

01:34:06.670 --> 01:34:11.000
future plan currently that this is coming.

01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:15.640
We've had multiple public meetings on this alignment this

01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:21.000
has been tweaked and retreat for the last 10 or 12 years.

01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:23.649
We've had lots of public meetings, but as part of the

01:34:23.649 --> 01:34:26.489
public hearing process, which you have to have an order

01:34:26.489 --> 01:34:29.420
environmental clear all of what's called your effective

01:34:29.420 --> 01:34:32.359
property owners will be notified and brought to the public

01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:36.000
hearing and then provided with property owners,

01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:40.210
Bill of Rights, entire process they have to follow so they

01:34:40.210 --> 01:34:44.420
have been brought along, but there will be far more formal

01:34:44.420 --> 01:34:48.310
and more thorough as we get through the environmental

01:34:48.310 --> 01:34:52.000
clearance process it because it requires it.

01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:53.000
Okay, thank you.

01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:56.989
Is it is it hearing in the sense that the outcome isn't

01:34:56.989 --> 01:35:00.000
determined or it's really telling.

01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:02.000
So this is recorded right.

01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:03.000
Yeah.

01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:04.000
Yes, sir.

01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:07.170
The public meeting is when they're there to hear what you

01:35:07.170 --> 01:35:08.000
have to say.

01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:10.819
A public hearing is for when they're here to tell you what

01:35:10.819 --> 01:35:12.000
they're going to do.

01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:13.000
It's a telling not a hearing.

01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:14.000
Right.

01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:15.000
Yeah.

01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:17.000
All right.

01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:22.000
So, direction is northbound.

01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:24.000
I can have your direction.

01:35:24.000 --> 01:35:28.000
It's north.

01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:29.000
Right.

01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:36.380
Let's move on to item F then MC 1827 receiver report, hold

01:35:36.380 --> 01:35:39.600
the discussion and provide direction regarding Texas

01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:42.890
Department of Transportation on system projects in the

01:35:42.890 --> 01:35:46.000
detonator to include the 35 Express project.

01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:55.000
Mr. Chair, john Pulsar ITS will present this item.

01:35:55.000 --> 01:35:58.770
So Mark said I got to move quickly on this depending on how

01:35:58.770 --> 01:36:02.699
much time I have we're going to go through about $180

01:36:02.699 --> 01:36:06.000
million of project review in about a minute.

01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:08.000
So you got questions.

01:36:08.000 --> 01:36:11.000
I talked fast.

01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:13.000
Was $10 million a slide.

01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:16.000
Or no.

01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:20.000
It's just shy $2 billion was on this list.

01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:25.789
And I'm not very technically savvy. So you got to stop and

01:36:25.789 --> 01:36:28.149
talk, ask me questions. So what you have on these reports

01:36:28.149 --> 01:36:30.369
some of these is the first time you're seeing these, the

01:36:30.369 --> 01:36:32.260
top part of the report shows the schedule and the

01:36:32.260 --> 01:36:36.149
milestones the primary milestones Fonzie means finding a no

01:36:36.149 --> 01:36:39.000
significant impact or environmental clearance.

01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:42.430
So you have your date, then you have the next milestones in

01:36:42.430 --> 01:36:45.729
order is your right away acquisition complete date your

01:36:45.729 --> 01:36:49.159
utility relocation complete date, then your let date and

01:36:49.159 --> 01:36:53.000
your construction complete date, if you think you know it.

01:36:53.000 --> 01:37:01.000
So for example this project 2181 was cleared in 2008.

01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:03.470
I'm sorry I'll just remember better if you tell me what Fon

01:37:03.470 --> 01:37:06.000
zie stands for what finding of no significant impact.

01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:09.869
Forward on we change that to environmental clearance, so

01:37:09.869 --> 01:37:13.710
you can make that more clear. So we had this thing cleared

01:37:13.710 --> 01:37:18.090
in 2008. It wasn't until 2017 that we were able to let the

01:37:18.090 --> 01:37:21.340
project in the whole time this project was being cleared in

01:37:21.340 --> 01:37:24.000
the right away acquired this project was

01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:40.000
fully 100% funded. So even though you've got the money.

01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:43.600
We're still in the regulatory process, not knowing where

01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:47.239
the funding is coming from. Because if we wait till we have

01:37:47.239 --> 01:37:50.899
the money. We still got years of regulatory legwork to get

01:37:50.899 --> 01:37:54.000
through in order to get a project completed.

01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:58.159
So extension of the 2181 project to the south. It comes up

01:37:58.159 --> 01:38:01.800
around guard, and it goes up and ties into Lillian Miller,

01:38:01.800 --> 01:38:05.880
and then 2181 itself veers off and becomes easily, but it

01:38:05.880 --> 01:38:09.159
ties directly into Lillian Miller, which ties into a

01:38:09.159 --> 01:38:11.000
project we're working on 35 right now at

01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:15.319
28. So where's project was let by was awarded by MCM

01:38:15.319 --> 01:38:19.470
contractors, and we are in the process of doing a lot of

01:38:19.470 --> 01:38:23.979
the grading, a lot of the city's utilities, there was some

01:38:23.979 --> 01:38:28.229
utilities that need to be relocated for the city, this

01:38:28.229 --> 01:38:29.000
contractor put it in their

01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:33.000
contract, and is part of the tech stock project. When the

01:38:33.000 --> 01:38:36.609
project goes under construction we provide you with a

01:38:36.609 --> 01:38:40.739
project report. It gives you the project limits, who's the

01:38:40.739 --> 01:38:44.380
person that's in charge of that for the tech stock, and we

01:38:44.380 --> 01:38:46.000
give you his phone numbers

01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:50.739
and this is a public document so any Joe can call poor

01:38:50.739 --> 01:38:55.460
angel and yell at him whenever y'all, he messes up a

01:38:55.460 --> 01:38:59.510
sidewalk in front of your library. And then the contractors

01:38:59.510 --> 01:39:00.670
phone number. When it started when it's supposed to be

01:39:00.670 --> 01:39:03.000
completed, and then we give you current activity

01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:07.300
which is what's going on. And then we come down and we talk

01:39:07.300 --> 01:39:11.710
about items that are currently controlling the project and

01:39:11.710 --> 01:39:15.949
other items of significance and typically that's the two

01:39:15.949 --> 01:39:17.850
places. You will look at traffic issues items controlling

01:39:17.850 --> 01:39:20.000
project completion and other significant items

01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:24.279
because the narrative tells you that they're grading,

01:39:24.279 --> 01:39:28.369
putting in culverts or whatever but the trauma or lack

01:39:28.369 --> 01:39:33.189
thereof is demonstrated on those three, those three bullets

01:39:33.189 --> 01:39:37.000
so right now 2181 is moving reasonably.

01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:40.000
According to plan, question from Councilmember breaks.

01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:43.050
I'm sorry, remind me if this is the one where DSP was

01:39:43.050 --> 01:39:46.140
working with you guys on light location, or is that

01:39:46.140 --> 01:39:50.000
something different. Okay, has that all been settled and

01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:55.000
far as I know we had a meeting in the trailer.

01:39:55.000 --> 01:40:00.000
MCM trailer didn't mean the way that sounded.

01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:03.000
I don't know y'all.

01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:08.640
And so they agreed on how to do with both permanent and the

01:40:08.640 --> 01:40:11.000
temporary signals. Okay, to my view to elaborate.

01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:15.000
Yeah, I think the way we worked out is, I think, is he will

01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:18.939
be taking temporary signals on as part of their project,

01:40:18.939 --> 01:40:22.399
and then the permanent will be put in under text out

01:40:22.399 --> 01:40:23.000
project.

01:40:23.000 --> 01:40:26.000
They're all worked out. Okay location and everything.

01:40:26.000 --> 01:40:29.000
Everything. Thank you.

01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:31.000
So that's 2181.

01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:35.800
You're Fort Worth driver this is 377 basically from 35, all

01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:40.369
the way down to FM 1830, this project, the county started

01:40:40.369 --> 01:40:45.039
in 1999 trying to get this project environmentally cleared

01:40:45.039 --> 01:40:49.000
and we've worked nine years on one spot, and that was the

01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:50.000
great separation

01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:53.000
of Union Pacific Railroad.

01:40:53.000 --> 01:41:02.000
Long story short, this project, let July 10, it was

01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:06.880
$43 million and some change, which was a little bit over

01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:11.479
our estimate and contractor name is SEMA construction got

01:41:11.479 --> 01:41:14.550
it. And this is what's called an A plus B bid because we

01:41:14.550 --> 01:41:19.000
felt like it was important for the contractor to be quality

01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:23.850
contractor number one, and two, to have be mindful of the

01:41:23.850 --> 01:41:27.000
time so when we did the bid package.

01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:32.449
We assume that would take 632 working days, and we assume

01:41:32.449 --> 01:41:37.000
the value of $15,000 a day to each day.

01:41:37.000 --> 01:41:41.500
And so what you were able to do is take the bid price of

01:41:41.500 --> 01:41:46.210
the what the bid contractor bid plus the number of days

01:41:46.210 --> 01:41:52.000
that they were proposing which was in this case it was 575.

01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:58.569
575 days is what they bid so you take the 575 days times 15

01:41:58.569 --> 01:42:03.539
is a value, and then the bid price and you pick it based on

01:42:03.539 --> 01:42:07.220
the time that they say plus the bid. And if you had

01:42:07.220 --> 01:42:09.619
somebody that was close on the bid price, but 10 days

01:42:09.619 --> 01:42:14.239
longer on the timeline, well then you could pick the one

01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:18.000
that has the less time, because it's better value.

01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:21.180
And so what we're trying to do is get a contractor that

01:42:21.180 --> 01:42:24.609
that would get in, get it done and get out. And with a

01:42:24.609 --> 01:42:28.989
significant penalty so if they missed that 575 by 10 days

01:42:28.989 --> 01:42:34.000
that's $150,000 that they are penalized for the project.

01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:37.000
So it's real money.

01:42:37.000 --> 01:42:41.409
So we plan on this is a project where it was basically a

01:42:41.409 --> 01:42:46.199
railroad improvement in a driveway fixing project with a

01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:51.000
little bit of roadway mixed in so because this was all just

01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:55.710
one continuously open drive area it's like no man's land

01:42:55.710 --> 01:42:58.000
out there for access.

01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:04.510
And so the city worked really closely with the property

01:43:04.510 --> 01:43:07.000
owners out there.

01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:11.739
So what our contractor is, we're going to have a pre

01:43:11.739 --> 01:43:17.090
construction meeting established and once we get that pre

01:43:17.090 --> 01:43:22.460
construction meeting set in a schedule, then the city the

01:43:22.460 --> 01:43:27.729
county and text that's going to have a public meeting with

01:43:27.729 --> 01:43:32.630
the residents the property owners effective property owners

01:43:32.630 --> 01:43:33.000
and go out and say hey, here's what's about to happen and

01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:33.000
kind of inform them and get ahead of the holy crap factor.

01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:41.000
I'm sorry I apologize again it's a telling not a hearing.

01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:46.010
So, and then this is the utilities report on forward drive

01:43:46.010 --> 01:43:47.000
as well.

01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:55.760
Where would we be able to see the drawings for that I'm

01:43:55.760 --> 01:44:05.319
kind of interested in how Rosaline railroad track is all I

01:44:05.319 --> 01:44:11.000
get that question all the time.

01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:14.560
The next project we're going to talk about is a future

01:44:14.560 --> 01:44:19.029
project it's a mayhill interchange at 35. Now this is

01:44:19.029 --> 01:44:24.689
currently when when a GL, which was the contractor that did

01:44:24.689 --> 01:44:30.460
35 came in, they took mayhill and they added capacity to

01:44:30.460 --> 01:44:34.460
the top bridge of mayhill over 35 to the inside and the

01:44:34.460 --> 01:44:35.000
outside

01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:38.319
of the bridge is scabbing on where they just add columns

01:44:38.319 --> 01:44:41.750
and bridge deck and they just widen existing bridges out

01:44:41.750 --> 01:44:45.239
there so they will widen the old bridge for the additional

01:44:45.239 --> 01:44:48.000
lanes of traffic to travel over 35.

01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:53.109
And then when we had the 35 the brinker 288 project, it

01:44:53.109 --> 01:44:58.000
added the, the, the north southbound northbound U turn.

01:44:58.000 --> 01:45:01.489
We're going to tear all that out, and we're going to build

01:45:01.489 --> 01:45:05.399
the ultimate construction where you'll have basically 12

01:45:05.399 --> 01:45:08.840
lanes of traffic, you'll have to do laughs to go north or

01:45:08.840 --> 01:45:11.000
south on the frontage roads.

01:45:11.000 --> 01:45:14.020
You'll have three through in the Texas you turn in each

01:45:14.020 --> 01:45:17.000
direction so we'll have 12 lanes of traffic.

01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:29.449
We decided that should. That should only be about 20

01:45:29.449 --> 01:45:30.239
million bucks but what Texas decided to do is to stop doing

01:45:30.239 --> 01:45:31.039
interim improvements and so they want to go ahead and do an

01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:32.359
ultimate building of what's permanent for the future, so it

01:45:32.359 --> 01:45:34.000
'll have enough bridge

01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:36.000
capacity for the future.

01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:39.850
The other thing that is supposed to come north, and which

01:45:39.850 --> 01:45:43.529
means we'll buy all the right all we needed which is show

01:45:43.529 --> 01:45:47.380
guns the ex on part of the James would parking lot, some of

01:45:47.380 --> 01:45:51.310
the stuff on the northbound side where the restaurants are

01:45:51.310 --> 01:45:53.000
and do a do the permanent

01:45:53.000 --> 01:45:57.739
roads and the bridge so it's a significant cost, it's, it's

01:45:57.739 --> 01:46:02.760
fully funded. It's already environmentally clear because it

01:46:02.760 --> 01:46:08.000
was cleared when the original 35 the project was cleared.

01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:18.899
We have LTR on contract, and they are, they provided a

01:46:18.899 --> 01:46:24.000
couple of schematics.

01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:28.239
And we're talking about having it literally ready to let

01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:30.000
December next year.

01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:33.229
So it's it's fun it's from the restaurant property so those

01:46:33.229 --> 01:46:36.460
restaurants are going. Oh no, they're just going to get

01:46:36.460 --> 01:46:38.000
closer to him. I see.

01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:45.039
Yeah, we have a policy never to get rid restaurants or

01:46:45.039 --> 01:46:47.000
liquor stores so

01:46:47.000 --> 01:46:50.239
customer breaks. I have a question because I know that we

01:46:50.239 --> 01:46:53.600
are redoing mayhill and so you guys are coordinating with

01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:57.000
the city to make sure that all of our plans, all line up.

01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:02.449
They are okay. Thank you. And so what we're trying to do on

01:47:02.449 --> 01:47:06.819
this job is get text that to extend their limits on mayhill

01:47:06.819 --> 01:47:10.250
tie into 35 to pick up that that part that's the already

01:47:10.250 --> 01:47:14.000
four lanes there that's kind of bad by the hospital.

01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:18.920
Yeah, so they can tie into what the city and the MPOs doing

01:47:18.920 --> 01:47:24.670
north of there, all the way to 380. So we're trying to work

01:47:24.670 --> 01:47:29.710
, make sure everybody knows what the right hand is doing to

01:47:29.710 --> 01:47:31.000
the left.

01:47:31.000 --> 01:47:34.699
So I pretty much just went over everything that's there now

01:47:34.699 --> 01:47:35.000
.

01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:40.640
So you 35 he looked to a brinker project. This is 288 where

01:47:40.640 --> 01:47:44.640
you're seeing the redoing the bridge. You got the brinker

01:47:44.640 --> 01:47:46.659
where they're going to be putting in a new bridge. And then

01:47:46.659 --> 01:47:48.539
down here mayhill is where they did the u turn which is now

01:47:48.539 --> 01:47:50.000
open to traffic.

01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:53.829
The milestones on this project are that we are about to

01:47:53.829 --> 01:47:57.840
have a no it doesn't look like it but by mid September, we

01:47:57.840 --> 01:48:02.500
'll have the northbound bridge structures for brinker and 28

01:48:02.500 --> 01:48:06.489
8 completed will take the traffic and move them up onto

01:48:06.489 --> 01:48:09.000
those new bridge lanes and then

01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:12.000
reconstruct the southbound lanes.

01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:18.119
The intent is to have the project substantially complete by

01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:21.000
December 2018.

01:48:21.000 --> 01:48:23.739
What is the difference between complete substantial

01:48:23.739 --> 01:48:26.840
complete substantial complete means that you can generally

01:48:26.840 --> 01:48:29.609
get around and move around the bridges will be open the

01:48:29.609 --> 01:48:32.560
underpasses will be open, but the contractor will still be

01:48:32.560 --> 01:48:36.000
working on embankments striping signage signals

01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:39.420
stuff like that stuff they got to do to meet the

01:48:39.420 --> 01:48:43.739
obligations of the contract but we're shooting for these

01:48:43.739 --> 01:48:48.250
projects to be completed substantially in December of this

01:48:48.250 --> 01:48:49.000
year.

01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:53.239
Dr. Nelson, just, just for the, for the committee just as

01:48:53.239 --> 01:48:56.890
an update there. We've been working with text on the

01:48:56.890 --> 01:49:00.869
contractor to realign the northbound frontage by the Hoot

01:49:00.869 --> 01:49:04.949
ers restaurant and the brookshire grocery store there next

01:49:04.949 --> 01:49:07.000
to Teasley I was advised this morning

01:49:07.000 --> 01:49:11.609
that that has been completed. And so that should provide a

01:49:11.609 --> 01:49:16.140
little bit of additional capacity, because the way it had

01:49:16.140 --> 01:49:20.670
been configured was the two lane frontage road south of the

01:49:20.670 --> 01:49:25.100
bank and the Hooters restaurant was to lane, and then it

01:49:25.100 --> 01:49:27.000
neck down to a single lane going into that

01:49:27.000 --> 01:49:29.949
intersection at Teasley so now it's to lane all the way

01:49:29.949 --> 01:49:31.000
through there.

01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:33.000
Thank you.

01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:38.880
So this is the segment of 35 North from 380 up to the didn

01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:45.569
't gone county line. It's just shy $900 million. It's a six

01:49:45.569 --> 01:49:49.470
lane divided urban. The project was, we thought we were

01:49:49.470 --> 01:49:53.000
going to get the schematic approved last month.

01:49:53.000 --> 01:50:00.069
We had a little bit of a hiccup on on the schematic when we

01:50:00.069 --> 01:50:05.810
met with the feds last week. And there is near singer about

01:50:05.810 --> 01:50:09.000
a 93 acre, historically significant farm.

01:50:09.000 --> 01:50:22.340
And the house is adjacent to where the future furniture

01:50:22.340 --> 01:50:25.449
over be. And we know that we got very little chance of

01:50:25.449 --> 01:50:25.949
beating that back so we're going to have to redo the

01:50:25.949 --> 01:50:26.529
schematic to push the interstate further to the east to

01:50:26.529 --> 01:50:29.000
totally avoid that area so we're, we got about

01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:33.810
six month hiccup in our schedule. That's not reflected on

01:50:33.810 --> 01:50:36.000
the schedule right now.

01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:42.369
So, 35 W main lines okay so there's several things going on

01:50:42.369 --> 01:50:50.050
with 35 W main lines with the 2045 mobility plan adopted 35

01:50:50.050 --> 01:50:53.000
W was put back in the plan.

01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:56.180
You know it's only about a half a billion dollars but I

01:50:56.180 --> 01:50:59.399
think it'll be a billion by the time we get done. It's

01:50:59.399 --> 01:51:02.960
going to be a rural freeway. So what is a rural freeway, it

01:51:02.960 --> 01:51:06.199
's going to have friends drugs to lane two to three lane

01:51:06.199 --> 01:51:08.000
friends drugs depending on whether

01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:11.609
you're on ramps or not, and six lanes of main lanes three

01:51:11.609 --> 01:51:15.479
in each direction, but instead of having curb and gutter,

01:51:15.479 --> 01:51:19.029
you'll have open ditch between the frontage in the main

01:51:19.029 --> 01:51:23.000
lanes in between the main lanes in the main lanes between

01:51:23.000 --> 01:51:25.000
the main lanes in the front and so it'll be similar

01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:33.130
to what 114 used to look like when you're going out west,

01:51:33.130 --> 01:51:38.500
you know, or some parts of 35. As you go south to Austin

01:51:38.500 --> 01:51:39.609
whatever where they have wide medians and there's a big

01:51:39.609 --> 01:51:40.000
footprint.

01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:43.510
And the reason we did that was not because it's going to be

01:51:43.510 --> 01:51:46.670
urban a rural area it's because we believe that the

01:51:46.670 --> 01:51:50.279
paradigm for managed lanes will shift at some point in the

01:51:50.279 --> 01:51:53.729
future, because they're going to see that they work,

01:51:53.729 --> 01:51:55.000
because they're working everywhere

01:51:55.000 --> 01:51:58.899
else in the region of the legislature pretty much killed

01:51:58.899 --> 01:52:02.699
them on that so what we're doing is a rural cross section

01:52:02.699 --> 01:52:06.319
so in the future, when we want to add the toll managed

01:52:06.319 --> 01:52:10.000
lanes we have the right away footprint to do it.

01:52:10.000 --> 01:52:11.000
That's.

01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:16.000
It's a goose not again.

01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:23.359
So that's the project, and that's that's the ultimate

01:52:23.359 --> 01:52:26.359
interim. They are doing frontage roads from 114 down the

01:52:26.359 --> 01:52:27.000
Eagle Parkway now.

01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:30.800
The next phase is we're starting to PSA in about two months

01:52:30.800 --> 01:52:34.680
plan specifications and estimate is there's like a design

01:52:34.680 --> 01:52:39.510
document that the state requires from 24 from 1171 north to

01:52:39.510 --> 01:52:44.000
2449 which is where Luke 288 comes and ties in.

01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:50.000
We'll be doing the frontage roads in that corridor as well.

01:52:50.000 --> 01:52:53.260
So, we're just kind of doing the fringe roads as

01:52:53.260 --> 01:52:55.000
development occurs.

01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:58.199
And when the development requires it in the county and the

01:52:58.199 --> 01:53:00.000
state comes in is the design.

01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:04.789
And we're environmentally clearing the whole thing and so

01:53:04.789 --> 01:53:09.560
we can build whatever parts that we deem necessary so we're

01:53:09.560 --> 01:53:13.000
kind of just taking one bite at a time.

01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:14.000
Okay.

01:53:14.000 --> 01:53:16.000
This is the Briggs improvement.

01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:22.000
This project began

01:53:22.000 --> 01:53:25.449
this month, and it says that there should be done in August

01:53:25.449 --> 01:53:28.899
they're doing the base work right now and essentially what

01:53:28.899 --> 01:53:33.050
was happening is a lot of people were coming off of 288 to

01:53:33.050 --> 01:53:35.000
go east on 380.

01:53:35.000 --> 01:53:38.789
And the right turn lane was only about 120 feet long, and a

01:53:38.789 --> 01:53:41.869
lot of cars we get stuck all the way back with that blue

01:53:41.869 --> 01:53:44.000
line is waiting to turn right.

01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:47.119
And so what we're doing is we're making improvements that

01:53:47.119 --> 01:53:49.000
that part of the frontage road.

01:53:49.000 --> 01:53:52.840
So that essentially that whole area is the right turn lane.

01:53:52.840 --> 01:53:56.000
In order to go straight or left you have to move into

01:53:56.000 --> 01:53:59.470
additional lanes that we're going to be building to the

01:53:59.470 --> 01:54:03.210
inside, so that the right lane traffic can get to 380

01:54:03.210 --> 01:54:05.000
easier, then it should be done by.

01:54:05.000 --> 01:54:07.000
In the summer.

01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:10.479
Councilmember breaks. Thank you for this is going to be a

01:54:10.479 --> 01:54:14.000
lot less road rage here at this intersection.

01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:19.000
Other people are just you. Well, we don't need to go there.

01:54:19.000 --> 01:54:23.430
But from from the emails I get for old north, I get just as

01:54:23.430 --> 01:54:27.609
many for this and it goes back further I mean, really

01:54:27.609 --> 01:54:31.770
really far and it's not just that it backs up it's that

01:54:31.770 --> 01:54:36.439
people try to scoot over, and I see people scrape people's

01:54:36.439 --> 01:54:38.000
cars all the time so this is

01:54:38.000 --> 01:54:41.000
backup all the way on to 288.

01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:47.000
Sometimes. Yeah, so this is really great. Thank you.

01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:51.109
Okay, us 380 East. This is the project from where we were

01:54:51.109 --> 01:54:55.060
just talking about 288 all the way up to the column didn't

01:54:55.060 --> 01:54:58.779
candy line, it's got two colors because it's got two CSJs,

01:54:58.779 --> 01:55:02.439
which is a basically a social security number for a project

01:55:02.439 --> 01:55:06.000
control section job number.

01:55:06.000 --> 01:55:11.000
So, the section in green is basically

01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:14.779
has no a lot of don't have a lot of connections, you know

01:55:14.779 --> 01:55:18.489
tie ins to the roadway because it goes over the over the

01:55:18.489 --> 01:55:22.510
lake area. And so text that is designing this in house and

01:55:22.510 --> 01:55:27.000
there's about 26 parcels of property to acquire there.

01:55:27.000 --> 01:55:32.829
The section in blue has about 86 parcels to acquire and

01:55:32.829 --> 01:55:38.409
text that's hired to engineering firms which are listed

01:55:38.409 --> 01:55:39.000
here.

01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:46.729
And then, white oaks engineers, and we've got their contact

01:55:46.729 --> 01:55:49.319
right there. And this project is supposed to be

01:55:49.319 --> 01:55:52.550
environmentally cleared to end of this month, which means I

01:55:52.550 --> 01:55:55.649
'll be able to begin right away acquisition and the retweet

01:55:55.649 --> 01:55:58.000
utility relocation, and we're

01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:09.000
looking at a May 2021.

01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:12.880
Let date. It's a little over $130 million now and it's

01:56:12.880 --> 01:56:14.000
fully funded.

01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:27.500
We're going to go and we'll have great separations which

01:56:27.500 --> 01:56:31.890
are bridges at 720 423. Navel, which is where the Brazzable

01:56:31.890 --> 01:56:32.710
high school is legacy and teal Parkway so like in this blue

01:56:32.710 --> 01:56:33.439
section I'll act like kind of us what we call a super

01:56:33.439 --> 01:56:34.000
street.

01:56:34.000 --> 01:56:39.079
There will be some signals that will be what signals just

01:56:39.079 --> 01:56:44.920
near here near 377, but they'll be limited. And the intent

01:56:44.920 --> 01:56:48.909
is to work with the communities to give dominance to the 33

01:56:48.909 --> 01:56:53.329
80 corridor on those signals, where they do exist so that it

01:56:53.329 --> 01:56:54.000
will encourage

01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:57.760
people to move and try to get to three at those great separ

01:56:57.760 --> 01:57:01.000
ations as opposed to at a stopped condition.

01:57:01.000 --> 01:57:07.729
We're looking at May 2021, let date, and it's fully funded

01:57:07.729 --> 01:57:10.000
at $130 million.

01:57:10.000 --> 01:57:13.000
Luke 28 West we just went over that.

01:57:13.000 --> 01:57:17.000
We can go over here if you want that much.

01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:21.000
Not at 180 million a minute right.

01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:38.000
1550 and all that improvement.

01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:42.609
I don't know why I knew but anyway, we, the LTA has been

01:57:42.609 --> 01:57:48.380
picked up for construction. It's about 18 million bucks, we

01:57:48.380 --> 01:57:51.000
just got them on contract.

01:57:51.000 --> 01:57:55.149
A couple months ago, and they are in the process of putting

01:57:55.149 --> 01:57:59.380
together some, some alternatives and using crash data for

01:57:59.380 --> 01:58:03.689
the intersection improvements and the main thing that we're

01:58:03.689 --> 01:58:07.270
going to do is we got to get back with the city and the

01:58:07.270 --> 01:58:08.000
city's the main stakeholder

01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:10.000
here.

01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:13.680
And I think text that's intent is once they build it they

01:58:13.680 --> 01:58:17.520
want you to take it over. So we met with your engineering

01:58:17.520 --> 01:58:21.279
staff, and we're bringing your engineering staff more

01:58:21.279 --> 01:58:25.039
deeply into the process, so that they know what they're

01:58:25.039 --> 01:58:26.000
getting.

01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:29.579
When they get it, and they get what they want when they get

01:58:29.579 --> 01:58:33.399
it, because you've got an airport improvements here and you

01:58:33.399 --> 01:58:37.010
ties into your body break project here, both of which are

01:58:37.010 --> 01:58:40.000
large capital investments for the city.

01:58:40.000 --> 01:58:44.000
So what's the big structure right at the. This is 35.

01:58:44.000 --> 01:58:47.000
Right in the middle. Right here.

01:58:47.000 --> 01:58:50.000
Right in the middle of that picture.

01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:52.850
That's beautiful. Yeah, that's where all your industrial

01:58:52.850 --> 01:58:55.310
development is and so part of the key to this isn't just

01:58:55.310 --> 01:58:58.000
building six lanes right that's anybody can do that.

01:58:58.000 --> 01:59:01.779
You got to do it when each one of these guys has a separate

01:59:01.779 --> 01:59:04.000
shift change. Right.

01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:08.319
And those shift changes will dramatically impact how the

01:59:08.319 --> 01:59:12.819
contractor deals with it, and how we survive the project so

01:59:12.819 --> 01:59:19.000
we want to have phasing down to an art on this one.

01:59:19.000 --> 01:59:23.010
So, in 1930. This was a shoulder improvement project that

01:59:23.010 --> 01:59:26.250
early on we got some questions from people want to know why

01:59:26.250 --> 01:59:29.000
they were putting shoulders on this road.

01:59:29.000 --> 01:59:33.010
But text that decided they were going to do it they did it

01:59:33.010 --> 01:59:37.130
and it should be completed sometime next month so it will

01:59:37.130 --> 01:59:41.000
be able to take this project off it's kind of a minor

01:59:41.000 --> 01:59:43.000
issue now.

01:59:43.000 --> 01:59:46.000
And that's just telling you they're almost done.

01:59:46.000 --> 01:59:49.000
1173.

01:59:49.000 --> 01:59:52.000
This comes 35 out to crumb.

01:59:52.000 --> 01:59:56.739
Your thoroughfare plan requires, ultimately this to be kind

01:59:56.739 --> 01:59:59.000
of realigned in this area.

01:59:59.000 --> 02:00:02.689
And so we're working with the city on that to, as we make

02:00:02.689 --> 02:00:07.310
improvements to 1173 we need to do this project consistent

02:00:07.310 --> 02:00:11.329
state does we're keeping on them, consistent with what the

02:00:11.329 --> 02:00:14.000
city wants from their master thoroughfare plan

02:00:14.000 --> 02:00:18.409
and what the city staff is working on tweaking that right

02:00:18.409 --> 02:00:19.000
now.

02:00:19.000 --> 02:00:26.000
And that should be that.

02:00:26.000 --> 02:00:30.000
I don't want to ask that.

02:00:30.000 --> 02:00:33.390
So what sort of direction are you looking for from nothing

02:00:33.390 --> 02:00:36.000
I just give you an update every so often. Okay.

02:00:36.000 --> 02:00:39.380
Well thank you very much. I'm sure this will help me

02:00:39.380 --> 02:00:43.279
respond to citizen inquiries about what's going on. Mr.

02:00:43.279 --> 02:00:44.000
Chair.

02:00:44.000 --> 02:00:47.000
Mr. Chair, yes, one other item.

02:00:47.000 --> 02:00:50.000
After this is presented to the mobility committee, we

02:00:50.000 --> 02:00:53.119
typically then posted on our city council or our city didn

02:00:53.119 --> 02:00:56.000
't website. And so then that's.

02:00:56.000 --> 02:01:00.149
There's a link to that for for the citizens or anybody else

02:01:00.149 --> 02:01:03.000
who wants to tie into that terrific.

02:01:03.000 --> 02:01:07.140
That brings us to item G identify and discuss meeting times

02:01:07.140 --> 02:01:11.000
and dates for future mobility committee meetings.

02:01:11.000 --> 02:01:18.539
Dr. Nelson, did you have a proposal for how often and when

02:01:18.539 --> 02:01:22.170
I do not have a proposal other than the fact that I propose

02:01:22.170 --> 02:01:27.010
there's an opportunity to change the date or whatever,

02:01:27.010 --> 02:01:30.000
whatever day you wish to, to, to meet on.

02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:33.770
I can tell you we've in the past over the past number of

02:01:33.770 --> 02:01:36.000
years we've met on a Friday.

02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:39.000
We've met on a Tuesday.

02:01:39.000 --> 02:01:41.000
And we've met on Wednesdays.

02:01:41.000 --> 02:01:46.590
The Tuesdays, because of the way council has backed up and

02:01:46.590 --> 02:01:50.000
the time spent here at City Hall.

02:01:50.000 --> 02:01:53.739
There was a desire to move away from. So we don't want to

02:01:53.739 --> 02:01:56.000
start at 630.

02:01:56.000 --> 02:02:00.000
I'm happy to start at 630.

02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:03.319
Just a little bit of background on that in terms of, you

02:02:03.319 --> 02:02:06.810
know, some of the different days when when the committee

02:02:06.810 --> 02:02:10.210
has met so really it's it's open for your discussion with

02:02:10.210 --> 02:02:13.600
your colleagues as to what dates, or what day of the week

02:02:13.600 --> 02:02:18.000
may work better for you.

02:02:18.000 --> 02:02:22.739
So Ryan may may wish to have the, the date after, or the

02:02:22.739 --> 02:02:28.020
meeting, the meeting after the RTC if there's opportunities

02:02:28.020 --> 02:02:32.100
to provide an update on RTC activity that may be a

02:02:32.100 --> 02:02:35.000
consideration that you get.

02:02:35.000 --> 02:02:37.699
Other than that, I'll, I'll stand down and take any

02:02:37.699 --> 02:02:39.000
direction that you have.

02:02:39.000 --> 02:02:44.000
And just one question first, just how often do you meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

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Right, we can push those items towards the tail end of the

02:05:51.239 --> 02:05:53.000
agenda whenever those conflicts arise.

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What do you think?

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Nine o'clock on a Tuesday?

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Nine o'clock on a Tuesday?

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Let's see, we are in July right now.

02:06:02.000 --> 02:06:08.000
I will be fine for doing the third Wednesday next month,

02:06:08.000 --> 02:06:11.000
but in September is when I'll start running into issues.

02:06:11.000 --> 02:06:13.000
So depending on what Councilmember Briggs,

02:06:13.000 --> 02:06:17.000
if we want to wait and just repost for next month to have

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another discussion

02:06:17.000 --> 02:06:19.449
once she gets an opportunity to look at what her fall

02:06:19.449 --> 02:06:21.000
calendar is going to be like.

02:06:21.000 --> 02:06:23.000
Are you okay for third Wednesday next month?

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Yes.

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Do you mind starting a little earlier?

02:06:25.000 --> 02:06:27.840
Because frankly, I'm blowing off something that I usually

02:06:27.840 --> 02:06:29.000
do that starts at one.

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You know, could we start earlier than 1130?

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Certainly.

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1030?

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Is that all right on Wednesday?

02:06:40.000 --> 02:06:42.000
And then we'll give it another look.

02:06:42.000 --> 02:06:46.000
So for August we want the third Wednesday at 1030.

02:06:46.000 --> 02:06:49.689
And then we'll repost the agenda caption as we see it today

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.

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Very well.

02:06:51.000 --> 02:06:52.000
Great.

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All right.

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Moving on to item H, staff reports.

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One scooter share.

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So this was a rising issue as the agenda was put together.

02:07:05.000 --> 02:07:07.619
It's continuing to -- the issue is continuing to matric

02:07:07.619 --> 02:07:08.000
ulate.

02:07:08.000 --> 02:07:13.229
So what we did is put some information in the form of a

02:07:13.229 --> 02:07:15.000
staff report.

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We do have Mark Oliphant here and Preetem who can kind of

02:07:18.510 --> 02:07:23.000
walk through some issues associated with scooter share.

02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:25.699
I think we're prepared to talk about it at this point in

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time.

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And, you know, certainly because it is on the agenda, you

02:07:28.260 --> 02:07:30.000
could give us direction.

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But to take a look at how we might move forward with

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scooter share as a shared transportation alternative,

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whether it's either added to a revised ordinance addressing

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bike share,

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or whether you may choose to push it -- obviously be pushed

02:07:54.590 --> 02:08:01.060
to council for action in terms of not permitting scooter

02:08:01.060 --> 02:08:03.000
share at all.

02:08:03.000 --> 02:08:08.289
I will tell you that the existing bike share ordinance will

02:08:08.289 --> 02:08:10.000
need to be amended.

02:08:10.000 --> 02:08:14.109
We'll bring that back regardless one way or the other

02:08:14.109 --> 02:08:17.000
because it terminates in September.

02:08:17.000 --> 02:08:21.510
And we want to sync that up with the University of North

02:08:21.510 --> 02:08:27.000
Texas bike share program that terminates on May 31, 2019.

02:08:27.000 --> 02:08:30.939
And we did that so that University of North Texas could

02:08:30.939 --> 02:08:34.560
pull the data from the fall and spring semesters and bring

02:08:34.560 --> 02:08:36.000
forward a new policy.

02:08:36.000 --> 02:08:39.270
So with that, I'll turn it over to Mark Oliphant for any

02:08:39.270 --> 02:08:43.000
discussion and questions you may have on that particular --

02:08:43.000 --> 02:08:50.739
>> So considering what we heard earlier in the definition

02:08:50.739 --> 02:08:57.750
of motorized vehicle loophole and all of that coming sooner

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,

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I feel and would like to recommend that we get this item to

02:09:01.420 --> 02:09:04.000
council for discussion,

02:09:04.000 --> 02:09:07.210
for an open discussion on if what we want to do about the

02:09:07.210 --> 02:09:11.000
scooters, whether amend or --

02:09:11.000 --> 02:09:14.449
>> And I can tell you that we do -- we understood that

02:09:14.449 --> 02:09:16.000
might be an option.

02:09:16.000 --> 02:09:17.000
I failed to mention that earlier.

02:09:17.000 --> 02:09:20.699
We have a tentative agenda item set for the August 7th

02:09:20.699 --> 02:09:24.000
council agenda, if that's soon enough.

02:09:24.000 --> 02:09:27.260
I don't know that we potentially could put something on the

02:09:27.260 --> 02:09:32.000
24th, but I think the 7th is more likely the better date.

02:09:32.000 --> 02:09:36.000
Preetam, do you and Mark have any issues with that?

02:09:36.000 --> 02:09:41.590
>> No. I think we're set to August 7th, and it would be a

02:09:41.590 --> 02:09:43.000
work session item where we discuss alternatives

02:09:43.000 --> 02:09:46.750
and what other cities are doing and present recommendations

02:09:46.750 --> 02:09:47.000
.

02:09:47.000 --> 02:09:50.000
We're going to move forward.

02:09:50.000 --> 02:09:53.000
>> Is that okay with you guys?

02:09:53.000 --> 02:09:54.000
>> It's fine with me.

02:09:54.000 --> 02:09:56.680
It helped me to understand just because I'm new, kind of

02:09:56.680 --> 02:09:58.000
your thought process.

02:09:58.000 --> 02:10:01.800
Why is it better to start a council than to start a

02:10:01.800 --> 02:10:03.000
committee?

02:10:03.000 --> 02:10:06.560
>> Well, generally it's good to be in committee, but from

02:10:06.560 --> 02:10:12.000
what we heard earlier, and with our ordinance not

02:10:12.000 --> 02:10:15.000
specifically referencing scooters,

02:10:15.000 --> 02:10:17.550
we could see scooters on our streets in the next couple of

02:10:17.550 --> 02:10:18.000
days.

02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:21.390
And so I'm trying to get ahead of the issue this time

02:10:21.390 --> 02:10:25.000
instead of behind as we were last time with bikes.

02:10:25.000 --> 02:10:27.000
And it's just timing.

02:10:27.000 --> 02:10:29.000
That's --

02:10:29.000 --> 02:10:31.000
>> Any objection?

02:10:31.000 --> 02:10:34.630
>> No, I think timing-wise, because since we're only

02:10:34.630 --> 02:10:39.199
meeting once a month, unless we had a special call of the

02:10:39.199 --> 02:10:41.000
subcommittee going to council,

02:10:41.000 --> 02:10:45.000
it's probably going to be the faster route.

02:10:45.000 --> 02:10:48.939
>> Mr. Chair, while we have the mobility committee

02:10:48.939 --> 02:10:57.210
assembled, is there any initial concerns, issues, items

02:10:57.210 --> 02:11:00.000
that you would like staff to take a look at

02:11:00.000 --> 02:11:02.470
as part of the recommendation or part of the work session

02:11:02.470 --> 02:11:06.000
item that we'll bring forward, if there's specific items?

02:11:06.000 --> 02:11:10.060
Certainly if you don't have them today, if you could email

02:11:10.060 --> 02:11:13.979
them to Mark and pre-TEM, that way we can present a more

02:11:13.979 --> 02:11:16.000
comprehensive approach.

02:11:16.000 --> 02:11:22.550
>> It's difficult for me to deal with the fact that I've

02:11:22.550 --> 02:11:26.000
got pre-TEM and pro-TEM.

02:11:26.000 --> 02:11:31.000
>> You have to change one vial.

02:11:31.000 --> 02:11:33.000
>> You just had to do that, didn't you?

02:11:33.000 --> 02:11:35.000
>> Yeah, I did.

02:11:35.000 --> 02:11:38.439
>> I guess my biggest question is if something has an

02:11:38.439 --> 02:11:42.119
electric motor to it, does it fall under a vehicle

02:11:42.119 --> 02:11:49.000
regulation of the state that's already existing?

02:11:49.000 --> 02:11:51.000
>> Yeah, I think Trey's already looking at it.

02:11:51.000 --> 02:11:54.000
>> Trey's got that queued up.

02:11:54.000 --> 02:11:57.170
>> Unfortunately for you, Trey Lansford, Deputy City

02:11:57.170 --> 02:11:58.000
Attorney.

02:11:58.000 --> 02:12:00.829
There is some state preemption here that we'll have to

02:12:00.829 --> 02:12:04.000
consider, specifically in the transportation code.

02:12:04.000 --> 02:12:07.119
And again, we're talking in generality, so I can't give you

02:12:07.119 --> 02:12:09.920
a specific as to whether it would apply to what may or may

02:12:09.920 --> 02:12:11.000
not be dropped.

02:12:11.000 --> 02:12:16.359
But the transportation code in section 551, 351 gives a

02:12:16.359 --> 02:12:20.000
definition of what a motor assisted scooter is.

02:12:20.000 --> 02:12:23.170
And it talks about it being either gas or electric, but

02:12:23.170 --> 02:12:26.000
having an engine size of being only up to so big.

02:12:26.000 --> 02:12:29.920
And so if the scooters that are being dropped meets that

02:12:29.920 --> 02:12:33.279
definition, we have certain things that we can do under the

02:12:33.279 --> 02:12:36.000
state statutes and several things that we can't do.

02:12:36.000 --> 02:12:39.039
So it would really just depend on getting details as to

02:12:39.039 --> 02:12:41.000
what may or may not be dropped.

02:12:41.000 --> 02:12:43.979
And if it does fall within the definition of a motor

02:12:43.979 --> 02:12:47.189
assisted scooter, which again could either be gas or

02:12:47.189 --> 02:12:48.000
electric,

02:12:48.000 --> 02:12:51.539
we as a municipality have a right to restrict their usage

02:12:51.539 --> 02:12:55.000
on streets if we decide it's in the public interest.

02:12:55.000 --> 02:12:56.000
>> Okay.

02:12:56.000 --> 02:13:00.050
>> And I would just say, based on some observation on what

02:13:00.050 --> 02:13:03.000
some of the municipalities are facing,

02:13:03.000 --> 02:13:06.810
and you may have already seen it on TV with newscasts or

02:13:06.810 --> 02:13:08.000
what have you,

02:13:08.000 --> 02:13:12.970
is that the scooter share operators require you to wear a

02:13:12.970 --> 02:13:14.000
helmet.

02:13:14.000 --> 02:13:17.000
Most of those folks do not have helmets on.

02:13:17.000 --> 02:13:20.000
In fact, you'll see an interview in the background.

02:13:20.000 --> 02:13:23.000
You'll see folks riding by on the scooters.

02:13:23.000 --> 02:13:26.489
Quite frankly, the helmets aren't there for rent, so that

02:13:26.489 --> 02:13:30.000
would force you to carry around your own helmet.

02:13:30.000 --> 02:13:33.000
And I don't know that that many folks do that.

02:13:33.000 --> 02:13:36.449
And so, and then back to what Trey had indicated, we've

02:13:36.449 --> 02:13:40.000
seen, and I'm going to state the name of the city of Dallas

02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:40.000
,

02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:43.770
and I think it's a very interesting issue on the KD Trail

02:13:43.770 --> 02:13:47.479
where they have prohibited the use of scooters on that

02:13:47.479 --> 02:13:49.000
particular pathway.

02:13:49.000 --> 02:13:51.949
But how, you know, how and what is the mechanism for

02:13:51.949 --> 02:13:53.000
enforcement?

02:13:53.000 --> 02:13:56.350
So those are some issues that we're just seeing at first

02:13:56.350 --> 02:13:57.000
blush.

02:13:57.000 --> 02:14:00.300
I think Mark's starting to kind of pull that issue apart a

02:14:00.300 --> 02:14:03.000
little bit and look at different options.

02:14:03.000 --> 02:14:05.170
>> I think generally the dimensions of safety, right, or

02:14:05.170 --> 02:14:08.000
what we're going to end up talking about,

02:14:08.000 --> 02:14:11.000
the, you know, not just enforcement.

02:14:11.000 --> 02:14:14.279
>> And not only that, but the deployment, the number of

02:14:14.279 --> 02:14:18.000
vehicles that get deployed and how they're deployed,

02:14:18.000 --> 02:14:21.649
and then how they're rebalanced and where they're placed at

02:14:21.649 --> 02:14:23.000
the end of the use.

02:14:23.000 --> 02:14:26.439
>> Is there history, you know, of any kind of lengthy

02:14:26.439 --> 02:14:29.000
deployments that we can learn from?

02:14:29.000 --> 02:14:32.810
>> No, this is all just hitting within the last six to

02:14:32.810 --> 02:14:34.000
eight weeks.

02:14:34.000 --> 02:14:36.000
Mark, do you have some input on that?

02:14:36.000 --> 02:14:38.539
>> Locally, the last six to eight weeks, it's been about a

02:14:38.539 --> 02:14:39.000
year.

02:14:39.000 --> 02:14:41.359
I think Santa Monica was the first city where they were

02:14:41.359 --> 02:14:42.000
deployed.

02:14:42.000 --> 02:14:45.939
A number of different things have been done, some parking

02:14:45.939 --> 02:14:51.949
requirements that they either be in a corral almost painted

02:14:51.949 --> 02:14:53.000
on the ground.

02:14:53.000 --> 02:14:55.630
This is where you can leave the scooter or not, or some

02:14:55.630 --> 02:14:59.279
cities just say keep it out of the main travel lane of a

02:14:59.279 --> 02:15:00.000
sidewalk

02:15:00.000 --> 02:15:03.170
and you put it in the furniture zone of a sidewalk, which

02:15:03.170 --> 02:15:06.350
is where you'd have your benches and trash cans, things

02:15:06.350 --> 02:15:07.000
like that.

02:15:07.000 --> 02:15:11.460
There's a variety of different ways that cities have dealt

02:15:11.460 --> 02:15:14.000
with this, but it is very new.

02:15:14.000 --> 02:15:16.000
>> Councilmember Briggs.

02:15:16.000 --> 02:15:18.119
>> I was just going to say, you know, I think part of the

02:15:18.119 --> 02:15:20.989
other issue too is, you know, certainly the legality of

02:15:20.989 --> 02:15:22.000
them being on our streets,

02:15:22.000 --> 02:15:25.250
but more importantly is do you want them on our right of

02:15:25.250 --> 02:15:27.000
way, in our right of way?

02:15:27.000 --> 02:15:30.000
I mean, we dealt with it with v-bikes, they just showed up,

02:15:30.000 --> 02:15:34.649
they established a number of bikes, 50 some odd bikes, 30

02:15:34.649 --> 02:15:38.000
some odd bikes in our community without permission.

02:15:38.000 --> 02:15:40.850
And again, it's going back to what Dr. Clark mentioned,

02:15:40.850 --> 02:15:44.590
that the mentality, the paradigm now is just ask for

02:15:44.590 --> 02:15:46.000
forgiveness.

02:15:46.000 --> 02:15:48.000
They just show up, ask for forgiveness.

02:15:48.000 --> 02:15:52.289
And so it's part of the framework of the original ordinance

02:15:52.289 --> 02:15:56.060
that we drafted for bike share was the good neighbor

02:15:56.060 --> 02:15:59.449
program, that hey, be here, go through a process, seek a

02:15:59.449 --> 02:16:00.000
permit,

02:16:00.000 --> 02:16:02.939
or have it reviewed by engineering, make sure you're not

02:16:02.939 --> 02:16:06.000
creating any obstructions because of issues that we have in

02:16:06.000 --> 02:16:07.000
the sidewalk.

02:16:07.000 --> 02:16:10.039
So it's not so much, certainly it is whether they're legal

02:16:10.039 --> 02:16:13.880
on our streets, but more importantly, do we really want

02:16:13.880 --> 02:16:17.000
them on city right of way?

02:16:17.000 --> 02:16:20.489
It creates an issue, especially as Mark mentioned, the fact

02:16:20.489 --> 02:16:24.149
that people don't wear, don't carry helmets around at their

02:16:24.149 --> 02:16:25.000
disposal.

02:16:25.000 --> 02:16:28.000
And so do we really want them on our city?

02:16:28.000 --> 02:16:30.500
If they want to work with area businesses, I don't know if

02:16:30.500 --> 02:16:33.590
we have any purview over that, but we know in North Texas

02:16:33.590 --> 02:16:35.000
doesn't want them.

02:16:35.000 --> 02:16:39.000
Do we want to do that or do we not?

02:16:39.000 --> 02:16:41.000
Councilmember Braeks?

02:16:41.000 --> 02:16:44.379
I don't have anything specific. I just wanted to share a

02:16:44.379 --> 02:16:48.000
couple of situations that I witnessed when I was in D.C.

02:16:48.000 --> 02:16:53.000
with these, which one, made me aware that it was coming and

02:16:53.000 --> 02:16:55.680
two, caused really great concern if it came here that didn

02:16:55.680 --> 02:16:56.000
't.

02:16:56.000 --> 02:17:00.270
So D.C. is rather, you know, there was a hill and I saw a

02:17:00.270 --> 02:17:04.639
younger child, I say younger, but like 15, and he had a

02:17:04.639 --> 02:17:08.950
skateboard, and I think I may have shared this before, and

02:17:08.950 --> 02:17:13.159
put the skateboard on top of the scooter and stood on it,

02:17:13.159 --> 02:17:17.000
no helmet, and just went straight down the hill.

02:17:17.000 --> 02:17:21.739
And as a mother, how is that possible? I mean, if I knew,

02:17:21.739 --> 02:17:25.950
but they had a phone and an app, and I'm sure that, you

02:17:25.950 --> 02:17:31.000
know, I don't know if there's restrictions on age or what.

02:17:31.000 --> 02:17:33.989
But so that was one scenario that I saw. I nearly had a

02:17:33.989 --> 02:17:37.000
heart attack and almost ran up to him.

02:17:37.000 --> 02:17:40.979
The second one was that the scooters have tiny little kick

02:17:40.979 --> 02:17:44.870
stands, and somebody had left one on a sidewalk and they

02:17:44.870 --> 02:17:49.000
have street parking, and so there was a nice car there.

02:17:49.000 --> 02:17:53.450
And so this couple just kind of walked by and the scooter

02:17:53.450 --> 02:17:58.010
just kind of got knocked over and fell and scraped pretty

02:17:58.010 --> 02:18:01.000
bad, and dent a door on this car.

02:18:01.000 --> 02:18:03.620
And so I'm thinking, okay, so there's three different

02:18:03.620 --> 02:18:06.250
things there, the people walking by, whoever left the

02:18:06.250 --> 02:18:09.309
scooter, who knows, and then the car who's damaged, and I

02:18:09.309 --> 02:18:13.420
thought, wait a minute, this is, and they're a little bit

02:18:13.420 --> 02:18:16.000
more, they're smaller, but they're heavier.

02:18:16.000 --> 02:18:18.739
So, you know, anyway, so that's a situation that I

02:18:18.739 --> 02:18:22.809
witnessed as well. And I don't really want either of those

02:18:22.809 --> 02:18:26.770
to happen here in our city because they're both pretty

02:18:26.770 --> 02:18:28.000
dangerous.

02:18:28.000 --> 02:18:31.280
I'll just chip in an initial reaction that, you know, you

02:18:31.280 --> 02:18:34.629
've got, from a safety point of view, you've got the issues

02:18:34.629 --> 02:18:37.979
of, you know, the risks to the riders, but they're taking

02:18:37.979 --> 02:18:39.000
that risk.

02:18:39.000 --> 02:18:42.829
But from a point of view of our responsibility, I'm more

02:18:42.829 --> 02:18:47.000
concerned about that, you have motorized vehicles sharing

02:18:47.000 --> 02:18:49.000
space with pedestrians.

02:18:49.000 --> 02:18:53.000
I think that's kind of scary. And you had a comment?

02:18:53.000 --> 02:18:58.280
Yeah, I think my knee-jerk reaction is to, for the time

02:18:58.280 --> 02:19:01.000
being, put a ban on them.

02:19:01.000 --> 02:19:03.920
One of the things on, at least in DC, it's a very bike

02:19:03.920 --> 02:19:07.600
oriented, they have a lot of bike share going on. So, a lot

02:19:07.600 --> 02:19:11.180
of people carry a helmet with them, even if they don't have

02:19:11.180 --> 02:19:13.000
their own bike they're riding.

02:19:13.000 --> 02:19:16.280
We don't have that kind of mentality in Denton, either you

02:19:16.280 --> 02:19:19.379
own your own bike and have your helmet that you keep with

02:19:19.379 --> 02:19:22.659
the bike or since we don't have the bike share program yet,

02:19:22.659 --> 02:19:26.000
we haven't been able to get people into a learning curve.

02:19:26.000 --> 02:19:30.149
And when it comes to the safety aspect of it with that

02:19:30.149 --> 02:19:34.270
helmet, I think most everybody, I won't say everybody, most

02:19:34.270 --> 02:19:37.000
everybody learned how to ride a bike as a kid.

02:19:37.000 --> 02:19:43.290
But not a scooter. There was an article in the Dallas paper

02:19:43.290 --> 02:19:47.770
about a lady who went down on the railroad track, ended up

02:19:47.770 --> 02:19:53.000
in the emergency room, but she didn't wear her helmet.

02:19:53.000 --> 02:19:56.549
So she knew she couldn't, the whole article talks about who

02:19:56.549 --> 02:20:00.000
was liable and she knew she couldn't see the bike company.

02:20:00.000 --> 02:20:04.239
And knew that she probably should have had a helmet. Well,

02:20:04.239 --> 02:20:07.940
made me think of one, and I don't get off into tangents

02:20:07.940 --> 02:20:10.000
very often but here I go.

02:20:10.000 --> 02:20:12.600
When I got a chance, this is my one chance. When I got my

02:20:12.600 --> 02:20:16.000
first 10 speed, you know, because prior to that when you're

02:20:16.000 --> 02:20:19.809
, you're in your preteen she's got the bike that you backped

02:20:19.809 --> 02:20:21.000
al for the break.

02:20:21.000 --> 02:20:26.049
Well, I didn't know front brake from back brake and I hit

02:20:26.049 --> 02:20:31.000
the front brake and flew over into the post office.

02:20:31.000 --> 02:20:34.229
And I'm afraid of that learning curve with these scooters

02:20:34.229 --> 02:20:37.329
until we until people get an opportunity to try them and

02:20:37.329 --> 02:20:40.659
other neighboring communities let the other neighboring

02:20:40.659 --> 02:20:43.780
communities be the test pilot first, or would you have to

02:20:43.780 --> 02:20:47.000
have some kind of conscious public education

02:20:47.000 --> 02:20:53.129
introduction of them. The app, the app actually requires

02:20:53.129 --> 02:20:54.940
that they go through training on the app before they write

02:20:54.940 --> 02:20:57.020
it but nobody's reading. Nobody's paying attention to what

02:20:57.020 --> 02:20:58.559
it says because that's where it says you have to wear a

02:20:58.559 --> 02:21:01.700
helmet you have to agree to all this stuff so they take

02:21:01.700 --> 02:21:04.000
away all their liability.

02:21:04.000 --> 02:21:08.129
So, is there enough in this to give you a sense of how to

02:21:08.129 --> 02:21:10.000
prepare for counselor.

02:21:10.000 --> 02:21:19.000
I'm screwed away right.

02:21:19.000 --> 02:21:22.250
Staff report number two Irving transportation summit. So

02:21:22.250 --> 02:21:28.000
this is a summit that is hosted by the city of Irving.

02:21:28.000 --> 02:21:32.780
We've partnered with various folks over the years and it's

02:21:32.780 --> 02:21:37.379
typically a pretty good, pretty good summit in terms of

02:21:37.379 --> 02:21:41.000
bringing forward stated the industry.

02:21:41.000 --> 02:21:44.000
The engine is not posted at this point in time.

02:21:44.000 --> 02:21:47.170
So unfortunately I can't, I can't provide that to you.

02:21:47.170 --> 02:21:50.000
There is a link to it if you're interested in it.

02:21:50.000 --> 02:21:53.440
The the rate at this point in time for government per

02:21:53.440 --> 02:21:57.520
person is about $195 so if there's an interest in doing

02:21:57.520 --> 02:22:01.040
that, typically we send a staff member or two to that

02:22:01.040 --> 02:22:04.000
particular summit.

02:22:04.000 --> 02:22:15.120
I understand that Mary Pro Tem Ryan will be attending

02:22:15.120 --> 02:22:20.000
obviously with RTC. There's a tie in there as well. So,

02:22:20.000 --> 02:22:20.000
yeah, I just wanted to bring that to your attention as an

02:22:20.000 --> 02:22:20.000
option if there's an interest in the committee and

02:22:20.000 --> 02:22:20.000
participate in that particular event.

02:22:20.000 --> 02:22:23.000
Are you recommending it.

02:22:23.000 --> 02:22:25.950
I'm recommending it but again I haven't seen I haven't seen

02:22:25.950 --> 02:22:28.000
the agenda so there's a caveat with that.

02:22:28.000 --> 02:22:30.000
Okay, thank you.

02:22:30.000 --> 02:22:34.239
Staff report h3 matrix, when I saw pre term to walk through

02:22:34.239 --> 02:22:38.190
that I've got to head to an appointment here at two o'clock

02:22:38.190 --> 02:22:41.909
, but I think he'll be able to push through this fairly

02:22:41.909 --> 02:22:43.000
shortly.

02:22:43.000 --> 02:22:54.920
Yeah, so, just to give you a little bit of history on this

02:22:54.920 --> 02:23:04.000
one, since this is one of the first ones.

02:23:04.000 --> 02:23:08.469
Questions that Council may have about different items. So

02:23:08.469 --> 02:23:12.459
what we do is we typically put them down on a matrix and go

02:23:12.459 --> 02:23:16.569
through to the next meeting and give an update of where we

02:23:16.569 --> 02:23:20.430
're at, what we're, what steps were taken how we're

02:23:20.430 --> 02:23:21.000
addressing this.

02:23:21.000 --> 02:23:24.399
So there are some lingering items that are in here. If you

02:23:24.399 --> 02:23:27.930
want to discuss some of that, we can go ahead and talk

02:23:27.930 --> 02:23:29.000
about them.

02:23:29.000 --> 02:23:33.450
If you have any new items that we can definitely add them

02:23:33.450 --> 02:23:38.120
in here and work on getting some answers or work on getting

02:23:38.120 --> 02:23:41.000
some timelines on those for you.

02:23:41.000 --> 02:23:45.000
But, yeah, there have been older products in there.

02:23:45.000 --> 02:23:50.000
I've got a couple of new, newer items.

02:23:50.000 --> 02:23:53.860
One I think I've already brought up to you pre term is

02:23:53.860 --> 02:23:58.969
about the, the no turn on read at 2499 and Robinson because

02:23:58.969 --> 02:24:01.000
of that retaining wall.

02:24:01.000 --> 02:24:05.000
Just seeing about getting that through traffic safety.

02:24:05.000 --> 02:24:10.500
I've had some, some people concerned and I've looked at the

02:24:10.500 --> 02:24:15.780
area on Bernard between Acme and willow wood, maybe even

02:24:15.780 --> 02:24:21.659
between Acme and the service road to investigate prohib

02:24:21.659 --> 02:24:27.000
iting parking on the south side of Bernard.

02:24:27.000 --> 02:24:30.969
Because once you when you get a car parked on both sides,

02:24:30.969 --> 02:24:35.040
traffic doesn't pass well and that Acme to willow wood is a

02:24:35.040 --> 02:24:38.000
pretty heavy heavily traveled area.

02:24:38.000 --> 02:24:43.020
And then another item is to the Friday city streets report

02:24:43.020 --> 02:24:47.940
that's in our Friday report. If we can add that into the

02:24:47.940 --> 02:24:52.959
agenda in case we want to discuss anything somebody's you

02:24:52.959 --> 02:24:58.000
know can be very simple that it's one of these that we just

02:24:58.000 --> 02:25:00.120
look at but if we wanted to bring up something on one of

02:25:00.120 --> 02:25:03.659
those roads, an actual posted item if we can just take that

02:25:03.659 --> 02:25:06.000
report that's in the Friday report and put it into this

02:25:06.000 --> 02:25:07.000
agenda.

02:25:07.000 --> 02:25:10.000
Okay.

02:25:10.000 --> 02:25:14.000
That's one of the breaks.

02:25:14.000 --> 02:25:17.629
I do want to follow up on the last on the last one about

02:25:17.629 --> 02:25:21.780
the downtown street rain what Wayne right, because I have

02:25:21.780 --> 02:25:25.840
been on that street, a lot and when to cart when parks cars

02:25:25.840 --> 02:25:28.000
are parked on both sides.

02:25:28.000 --> 02:25:32.739
It's almost impossible to get down there. I'm just

02:25:32.739 --> 02:25:37.000
wondering if there's an update on that because

02:25:37.000 --> 02:25:39.809
I just want to make sure we're looking at the same there

02:25:39.809 --> 02:25:42.590
are a couple of segments of Wayne right one is already

02:25:42.590 --> 02:25:44.000
posted as no parking.

02:25:44.000 --> 02:25:48.000
So I just want to make sure it's the one that's right.

02:25:48.000 --> 02:25:52.520
There's houses on one side, and then the apartment. Yeah,

02:25:52.520 --> 02:25:55.000
is that been no parking posted.

02:25:55.000 --> 02:25:59.110
So, the one on the north side of Prairie has been already

02:25:59.110 --> 02:26:01.000
posted for no parking.

02:26:01.000 --> 02:26:15.370
And then the one on south of Prairie, which hopefully I can

02:26:15.370 --> 02:26:20.000
get there.

02:26:20.000 --> 02:26:31.000
Okay.

02:26:31.000 --> 02:26:38.329
So, a couple of things I think we have looked at this

02:26:38.329 --> 02:26:48.000
particular segment of Wayne right.

02:26:48.000 --> 02:26:53.309
Is that the one correct. Yes. Yeah, it's just that. Yeah,

02:26:53.309 --> 02:26:56.000
right there. This one, the first block.

02:26:56.000 --> 02:27:00.739
So, yes, we had looked at that, and we had some discussions

02:27:00.739 --> 02:27:04.000
with some of the property owners here.

02:27:04.000 --> 02:27:07.700
These, these folks that live here as well as we'd sent out

02:27:07.700 --> 02:27:11.750
notices, or had a discussion with this apartment, and their

02:27:11.750 --> 02:27:15.639
first reaction is they don't want any parking restricted on

02:27:15.639 --> 02:27:17.000
either side.

02:27:17.000 --> 02:27:20.270
So there's a little bit of pushback from the community

02:27:20.270 --> 02:27:21.000
itself.

02:27:21.000 --> 02:27:24.969
And while we're talking to solid waste as well as fire.

02:27:24.969 --> 02:27:28.879
Their main concern was at these intersections turning

02:27:28.879 --> 02:27:33.030
vehicles that are getting for solid waste, getting in and

02:27:33.030 --> 02:27:36.920
out of these areas and then turning vehicles is the main

02:27:36.920 --> 02:27:38.000
concern.

02:27:38.000 --> 02:27:44.000
So they do have some space that they can use in between.

02:27:44.000 --> 02:27:47.200
Moving forward with no restriction typically requires an

02:27:47.200 --> 02:27:50.440
agreement of most of the property owners, and there is some

02:27:50.440 --> 02:27:53.680
resistance from the people that actually live on the street

02:27:53.680 --> 02:27:54.000
.

02:27:54.000 --> 02:27:57.370
The other concern also is if we restrict parking here it's

02:27:57.370 --> 02:28:01.309
just going to continue moving down here. So we're kind of

02:28:01.309 --> 02:28:04.000
in a tight spot at this point.

02:28:04.000 --> 02:28:07.409
So they're talking to fire and they don't necessarily

02:28:07.409 --> 02:28:11.120
required this segment because they have access off of this

02:28:11.120 --> 02:28:14.680
tree they have access here for this apartment so they're

02:28:14.680 --> 02:28:17.700
kind of okay that this particular segment is not

02:28:17.700 --> 02:28:23.000
necessarily has a 20 foot area for them

02:28:23.000 --> 02:28:27.309
equipment because they have the furniture in front of this

02:28:27.309 --> 02:28:31.420
building they have this area, as well as one court when I

02:28:31.420 --> 02:28:35.799
talked to fire department, but we can revisit this item I,

02:28:35.799 --> 02:28:39.829
I mean, we did receive some kind of resistance from the

02:28:39.829 --> 02:28:41.000
residents there.

02:28:41.000 --> 02:28:44.790
Right, well I was thinking that the site the house, the

02:28:44.790 --> 02:28:48.520
side with the homes would still get parking from street

02:28:48.520 --> 02:28:52.159
parking but on one side would would not be but so I guess

02:28:52.159 --> 02:28:55.719
that house in the middle there if it caught fire it was

02:28:55.719 --> 02:28:57.000
just out of luck.

02:28:57.000 --> 02:29:02.040
I mean, it's basically what we're saying, I think typically

02:29:02.040 --> 02:29:05.000
we were okay for 150 feet.

02:29:05.000 --> 02:29:08.000
This is right about there.

02:29:08.000 --> 02:29:11.000
But we can.

02:29:11.000 --> 02:29:14.370
We can see if only this segment can be restricted if that's

02:29:14.370 --> 02:29:17.719
your main concern getting to the middle. Well it's good to

02:29:17.719 --> 02:29:20.370
know the apartments are, you know, pushing back I did I had

02:29:20.370 --> 02:29:22.510
no idea what was going on with it but I did try to get

02:29:22.510 --> 02:29:24.000
through there the other day

02:29:24.000 --> 02:29:29.000
and it was pretty difficult. But I do have some new, new

02:29:29.000 --> 02:29:30.000
ones.

02:29:30.000 --> 02:29:35.930
On Fry Street, frying Hickory there is a bike rack, and

02:29:35.930 --> 02:29:41.000
there are several broken bikes on that rack.

02:29:41.000 --> 02:29:44.600
Is that the city's responsibility what do we do, what's the

02:29:44.600 --> 02:29:47.850
process about cleaning that up so that new bikes can be

02:29:47.850 --> 02:29:51.170
parked there, and it's not just taking up space I think

02:29:51.170 --> 02:29:54.649
there was a bike without a wheel and some other broken they

02:29:54.649 --> 02:29:57.000
've been there for a little,

02:29:57.000 --> 02:30:00.000
a little while.

02:30:00.000 --> 02:30:03.979
And I know I have to listen to UNT I mean they have the

02:30:03.979 --> 02:30:06.000
same kind of issue so.

02:30:06.000 --> 02:30:08.000
Where along here.

02:30:08.000 --> 02:30:10.000
It is.

02:30:10.000 --> 02:30:13.829
I'm guessing it Avenue A and Hickory right in that little

02:30:13.829 --> 02:30:17.000
triangle right there there's a bike rack.

02:30:17.000 --> 02:30:20.000
I'm guessing it.

02:30:20.000 --> 02:30:23.690
I think it's a city right away and we can definitely look

02:30:23.690 --> 02:30:27.309
at picking them up and that you know auction them off or

02:30:27.309 --> 02:30:32.649
getting rid of them. So I'm just curious about the product

02:30:32.649 --> 02:30:37.000
do you like put a tag on them like a car and say,

02:30:37.000 --> 02:30:54.350
Yeah, so, so those look good. There's probably are some of

02:30:54.350 --> 02:30:55.000
them that are still there that don't have tires.

02:30:55.000 --> 02:30:58.120
I think what happens is the police tag them with a notice

02:30:58.120 --> 02:31:01.069
that says please remove and given X amount of time two

02:31:01.069 --> 02:31:04.299
weeks I think is typical. If they haven't been moved and

02:31:04.299 --> 02:31:07.000
they come in cut the locks and pound them.

02:31:07.000 --> 02:31:10.020
And the process from there there's more to it even I think

02:31:10.020 --> 02:31:13.000
we have to put out a notice that this bike was seized if it

02:31:13.000 --> 02:31:16.149
's yours come get it in 30 days and then finally they can

02:31:16.149 --> 02:31:19.340
auction it but yeah clearing it out would be great because

02:31:19.340 --> 02:31:20.000
it can't be used.

02:31:20.000 --> 02:31:23.750
Yeah, and there's not very, you know, many spots down there

02:31:23.750 --> 02:31:27.139
. Anyway, and so if we have some that are opened up if we

02:31:27.139 --> 02:31:31.000
could get the process started and just to see on that.

02:31:31.000 --> 02:31:45.790
And next, Mr. Polster mentioned that text dot wanted us to

02:31:45.790 --> 02:31:54.319
maintain our to get back a road. And what I would like to

02:31:54.319 --> 02:31:55.110
know is there a list that text dot can provide us of roads

02:31:55.110 --> 02:31:56.000
that they have that they wish the city to have.

02:31:56.000 --> 02:32:00.520
There are a lot. And what, what that means. I mean because

02:32:00.520 --> 02:32:04.610
I probably some of them would be really good for us to have

02:32:04.610 --> 02:32:09.940
. And, you know, some not and getting the light here I think

02:32:09.940 --> 02:32:14.000
you're being too feeble in your projection.

02:32:14.000 --> 02:32:16.459
Well, I don't know maybe maybe that's not it. I am getting

02:32:16.459 --> 02:32:22.030
the light. My mic is on. Okay. Okay, so the list of roads

02:32:22.030 --> 02:32:24.000
that text dot has.

02:32:24.000 --> 02:32:28.799
That they want us to have would be great for us to review

02:32:28.799 --> 02:32:32.270
here or the process of, you know, I mean the only one I've

02:32:32.270 --> 02:32:36.000
been through is McKinney and that seemed pretty detail.

02:32:36.000 --> 02:32:38.920
So I know that we can't really do a presentation or

02:32:38.920 --> 02:32:42.200
anything on it right now but that I think it would be good

02:32:42.200 --> 02:32:45.000
information for us to know going forward.

02:32:45.000 --> 02:32:48.840
We can definitely bring you a list of all the roadways that

02:32:48.840 --> 02:32:52.680
we're starting out the conference because they just keep

02:32:52.680 --> 02:32:55.180
kind of coming. So we're in the same boat we're trying to

02:32:55.180 --> 02:32:57.000
figure out exactly what it is we're dealing with and we can

02:32:57.000 --> 02:33:00.000
bring that at another at a future meeting.

02:33:00.000 --> 02:33:04.000
Good for us to have. Thank you.

02:33:04.000 --> 02:33:07.000
I've got just a couple.

02:33:07.000 --> 02:33:10.000
One.

02:33:10.000 --> 02:33:14.500
I think you may have addressed me by email but I'll just

02:33:14.500 --> 02:33:18.610
follow up the other there's concern on the part of

02:33:18.610 --> 02:33:24.000
constituents in the willfully underrepresented district for

02:33:24.000 --> 02:33:27.739
concern about the off ramp from that goes into DNA near

02:33:27.739 --> 02:33:31.709
near near effigy stadium, the concern that it's too fast

02:33:31.709 --> 02:33:35.620
and they're too short a distance for the speed of you know

02:33:35.620 --> 02:33:39.440
what I'm talking about the speed of cars that are coming

02:33:39.440 --> 02:33:45.000
off and, you know, is there some kind of a timeline that's

02:33:45.000 --> 02:33:48.440
now been established for more final resolution than what

02:33:48.440 --> 02:33:50.000
they have now.

02:33:50.000 --> 02:33:55.520
Okay. I think it's a tech stop issue there are a couple

02:33:55.520 --> 02:33:58.000
major hurdles there.

02:33:58.000 --> 02:34:07.260
We're going to have a union grade as the ramp comes up from

02:34:07.260 --> 02:34:16.709
the freeway or the main lanes up into the roadway and we'll

02:34:16.709 --> 02:34:21.120
visit it with text out. It was not designed for people to

02:34:21.120 --> 02:34:21.329
cut across four lanes, let's take a look at that a little

02:34:21.329 --> 02:34:21.540
bit more in depth because there are multiple facets that

02:34:21.540 --> 02:34:21.750
are being explored by text on and city staff and you and te

02:34:21.750 --> 02:34:23.000
al at the same time, including the off

02:34:23.000 --> 02:34:26.969
ramp 35 going north. And there are several folks trying to

02:34:26.969 --> 02:34:29.159
immediately take a right on that. See so there's a lot of

02:34:29.159 --> 02:34:32.370
moving parts as text that works through this, we can bring

02:34:32.370 --> 02:34:35.340
that back with an update and give you a better idea where

02:34:35.340 --> 02:34:37.000
that sets that'd be great I appreciate that.

02:34:37.000 --> 02:34:42.270
And secondly just you know, having this be the first time I

02:34:42.270 --> 02:34:47.549
see this new business matrix seems you know I'm oddly named

02:34:47.549 --> 02:34:53.000
matrix when you have items going back to 2016.

02:34:53.000 --> 02:34:56.510
The, you know, the item that says part of the small area

02:34:56.510 --> 02:34:59.899
plan considered as part of this small area plan is that

02:34:59.899 --> 02:35:03.440
does that mean it's been addressed and it can come off the

02:35:03.440 --> 02:35:06.940
list and, you know, can we, any of these resolvable or

02:35:06.940 --> 02:35:08.000
resolved.

02:35:08.000 --> 02:35:11.780
I think at some point, council members wanted continuous

02:35:11.780 --> 02:35:15.379
feedback as to where we're at, for example that locus to

02:35:15.379 --> 02:35:18.909
know turn back is a good example, we were in the process

02:35:18.909 --> 02:35:22.520
and we're still in the process of working with text out to

02:35:22.520 --> 02:35:24.000
get that back.

02:35:24.000 --> 02:35:29.000
And every now and then, counseling does want to get up.

02:35:29.000 --> 02:35:32.889
So this list was quite a bit longer, just three or four

02:35:32.889 --> 02:35:34.000
months ago.

02:35:34.000 --> 02:35:38.000
So, and credit, given.

02:35:38.000 --> 02:35:40.340
Well some of what you see here is those are ongoing

02:35:40.340 --> 02:35:43.000
requests that we're still getting to the goal line.

02:35:43.000 --> 02:35:45.590
Either it's because the project was initiated and we're

02:35:45.590 --> 02:35:48.290
working through those phases over wrapping up and closing

02:35:48.290 --> 02:35:50.879
out those when they do get close that completely yes they

02:35:50.879 --> 02:35:52.000
come off the list.

02:35:52.000 --> 02:35:55.000
Okay, that's great.

02:35:55.000 --> 02:35:58.000
Anything else.

02:35:58.000 --> 02:36:03.010
That's it right pretend items so I'm going to adjourn this

02:36:03.010 --> 02:36:24.000
meeting at 102 and a half.