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>> Good morning.

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Welcome to the July 18th Denton City Council Mobility

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Committee.

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My name is Mark Nelson, Director of Transportation.

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I'll convene this meeting at 1133 as we do not have a chair

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due to some recent council members moving off of council.

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So at this point in time I'll take item 1A, which is

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received nominations

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and election of a chair and vice chair for the Denton City

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Council Mobility Committee.

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Yes.

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>> I would like to nominate Councilmember Meltzer for chair

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and Mayor Pro Tem Ryan for vice chair.

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>> So we have a nomination for both, for a chair as well as

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a vice chair.

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Are there, is there a second?

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>> I will second.

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>> So I have a nomination and a second.

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All in favor say aye.

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>> Aye.

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>> All opposed?

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Motion passes unanimously.

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I will turn the committee chair, the chair over to

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committee chair Meltzer.

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>> Okay.

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And I will welcome Mark and our new bike and pedestrian

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coordinator.

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And pleased for us to share our first mobility committee

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meeting at the same time.

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So let's move on to item B, MC 18-026, consider approval of

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the Mobility Committee

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of the Denton City Council meeting minutes of April 18,

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2018.

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I'll entertain a motion.

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>> I'm going to let Councilmember Briggs motion on this

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since she was the only one

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that was here to know if they're correct or not.

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>> Yes, I would like to move approval of the committee

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minutes for April 18.

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>> Is there a second?

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>> Second.

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>> All in favor?

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Okay, the minutes are approved.

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Moving on to item C then, receive a report from Denton

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County Transportation Authority,

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DCTA staff to include state of the agency, pass -- I'll

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recognize --

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>> Chair, I need to recuse myself from this item.

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>> Okay.

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>> Please come get me later.

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>> Where will we find you?

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>> I'll be in the council.

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All right.

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So again, it's a report from DCTA staff to include state of

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the agency, passenger enhancements,

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bus operations and DCTA capital projects and provide

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direction regarding strategic initiatives

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in the Denton County Transportation Authority service plan.

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>> Good morning, Mr. Chairman, members of the committee,

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Mark Nelson, Director of Transportation.

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At this point in time, I'd like to introduce Jim Klein.

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Jim Klein is the President of DCTA.

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He has a presentation for you as stated in the backup

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material to walk through recent

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activities there at the agency to include strategic

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initiatives as well as certain service

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level enhancements that they are moving forward with.

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So with that, Jim?

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Thanks, Mark.

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We've got this before the research, planning got us before

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We've distributed that before, but I wanted to make sure

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Thank you for taking the time to have us here today.

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And, oh, Rats, I need to go to the top of the -- yeah.

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So here to make a presentation, you all cover the items

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that you talked about and then take

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questions that you might have regarding DCTA in general or

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anything specific that you have.

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So I want to start with an overview, just a couple of

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slides real quick to cover down

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Our mission, we're a regional partner with DART and the

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Forward Transportation Authority.

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We provide focused and efficient mobility solutions.

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It's a less than subtle difference from when we used to say

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public transportation solutions

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because we want to start bringing forward how can we -- is

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there something different about

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how we look at things?

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becomes pretty apparent.

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Again, looking for mobility options and our values which

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have not changed.

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We're formed under the transportation code, Chapter 460 in

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2002, based on the absent sales

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tax in Denton, Lewisville, Highland Village.

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LINC service and then began

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DCTA operations.

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Finance Committee as well.

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both some demand response for the general public and then

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of transit, commuter vanpools, and also some of the new

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things, transportation network

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companies, which is the generic term for the Ubers and L

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You know, I don't want to just glaze over things that I don

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I don't know what demand response services means.

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of transit kind of service.

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we have for that and how to

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make it more responsive and more TNC-like, but using our

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vehicles, try to get the best fit and

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layer in the best set of solutions.

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I think that's a great -- that's really part of the path

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forward that we see for not only

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DCTA, but the transit world in general.

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Finance Office Association awards.

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transparency, although they changed that

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program now.

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the biggest -- I think one of

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the biggest things that we do is we serve as good stewards

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of the money that we're entrusted

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with by the citizens of the county.

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and then federal operating grants and state operating

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grants.

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I just want to make sure I'm tracking.

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Mark's got the actual spreadsheet that he can share with

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you that shows from 11 to 17

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what our history is, and it goes into a lot of statistics

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and how that fits.

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over that same time period.

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And again, we're very proud of transparency.

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ual data, our check register,

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our CAFR, all the things that go with that.

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the tax rates and other pieces that happen there and our

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complete board of directors.

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So if you have any questions about DCTA, we're always happy

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, and if you need some help

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with that, let us know because we don't keep any good

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Financial responsibility is -- you know, accountability is

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We've been successful in our annual audits.

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We continue to have a strong operating reserve, which is 90

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days, in the bank every year that

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fund to weather any short storms

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and the sales tax dip, that's our -- since that's our

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revenues, we've got to be able to

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either weather through the storm or be able to very

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deliberately and carefully ramp down

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our services if we need to.

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We actually have just a little bit over 50 cents a gallon.

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fuel prices have been down of

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diesel tracks behind that, we use

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very deliberately do that in the next budget process and

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manage that well instead of having

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to do something drastic.

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Do you mind if I -- Yeah, no, no, interrupt me any time.

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-- poke around a little bit?

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Because we saw the rising revenues and then the costs were

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rising to match, you know,

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but is what's occurred that you've had the ability to fund

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reserves or like what's the

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real sort of operating portion?

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In other words, are you now being funded well above the

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actual, you know, operating cost

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or have you been expanding service or actually operations

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have expanded?

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We've expanded -- Why have the expenses matched the

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revenues?

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I mean, fuel has been one that has not, right?

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That's been actually down a little bit.

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But the biggest part of what we pay for is salaries and

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benefits.

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Those things go up.

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You know, we're looking, you know, between 3 and 4 percent

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in healthcare and all that

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Healthcare can be 10 percent.

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city, so there's no mystery on that.

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appropriate and just the fact

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that things are more expensive.

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That's how we track with that.

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So again, I'll show you a chart in a minute that kind of

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gives you a good read on that

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and what we do.

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We have a very conservative debt policy, our internal

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coverage ratio, and good budget discipline

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in terms of this year's dollars are what we spend this year

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for current operations, current

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year operations, current year revenues.

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So that's a big deal to us to make sure that we're clearly

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want to be -- good stewardship

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is a key thing that we do.

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And so performance-wise.

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When talking about ridership, and this is a history from '

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04, we've flattened out about

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2.9 million.

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That number may drop this year.

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We've seen some numbers go down.

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The rail's taking a big hit and we're doing some things

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about that that I'll talk about.

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But in total we're staying maybe just a little bit below

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that level but about that.

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We have a lot of ridership at the University of North Texas

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and that's been a -- that's

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been a big deal with the students, location and the

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contracted service.

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That works really well in terms of ridership numbers.

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>> Are you going to break that out between bus and train?

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>> Yes.

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No, I've got that on the chart.

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Unfortunately that's the I chart because it's just a whole

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lot of numbers.

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But we can go through that.

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One thing that we wanted to look at was, you know, look at

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our cost because -- I think

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I've got a slide out of order here.

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Let me -- I'm sorry.

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I put that out of order.

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Let me go here first.

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So one of the things we want to do is do a peer comparison

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and see where we are and look

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at our peers in the agents in the transit world.

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Not necessarily our regional partners because they're very

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different in size.

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We'll want to talk about that in a minute.

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In terms of our similar size agencies, cost efficiency, we

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're doing real well.

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And reasonable and certainly better than a lot of our --

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and better than peers in some

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cases.

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Where we run into -- where some of our numbers get upside

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down is on effectiveness, meaning

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that with our ridership down, that impacts all those ratios

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So -- except for bus.

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And then -- so when we look at it, building ridership is

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key.

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And that's the step as we go forward.

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Now I'm going to go back up one because I want to make sure

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that we're -- in terms of

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comparison to other agencies within the state and in the

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region, when you look at our bus

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cost, in terms of dollars per revenue hour, dollars per

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mile, dollars per passenger, dollars

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per vehicle, we are less expensive than our -- the Dart,

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the T, and Cap Metro.

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Our demand response is less than Cap Metro and Dart in

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terms of -- and this is operating

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costs.

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So this is the management of our costs before we put riders

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in the equation.

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And the -- and actually the rail, while rail is really

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expensive to operate, our cost per

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revenue hour and revenue mile is less than the Trinity

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Metro -- Trinity Express, Cap

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Metro, and Tri-rail -- Tri-Met, which is in Portland, which

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is not regional, but they're

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a comparative agency to us.

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So to state the obvious, that per passenger is where it

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gets more challenging.

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Right.

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It's -- you can see that in bus, our passenger or per

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passenger numbers are very comparable,

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in fact, better in many cases.

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And it's when we get to -- so there's two areas we're

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working on.

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We are working on bus ridership also.

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That's another piece.

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We're not going to ignore that.

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Demand response, so our access trips, trying to schedule

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better.

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When you have the paratransit trips, getting more than one

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person in the vehicle at a time

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is hard to schedule.

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You know, we have a lot of special needs folks that we're

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-- but we're trying to schedule

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that better to get more people per hour in the vehicles.

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And then that would improve our ratios there.

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And on the rail, it's just really getting more ridership.

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So we're delivering the service at a reasonable rate.

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We are -- and then now we've got to get more people on it.

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And we'll continue to look for more ways to save money.

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That doesn't mean we won't keep looking.

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But that's where we are.

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So, you know, when -- you know, I always -- one of the

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things I tell the staff is the first

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place to look is in the mirror and make sure that we

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understand where we are.

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And so these are the ways we can -- these are the same

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things we talk to the board about.

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And so when you go to look at building ridership, one of

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the things that we're working on now,

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a couple of things that we've done this fall through

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January, right now our agreement with

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the University of North Texas and NCTC provides them access

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to the Connect service.

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And that's one of the reasons we think some of the Connect

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service is down because it

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shifted over to UNT.

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Connect went down.

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UNT service went up.

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It seems kind of logical there.

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And we want to make -- remove any barriers we can to those

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students riding, which we

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see as an untapped market, any barriers to us to riding the

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train.

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So basically what we're going to do is let them ride the A

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train, not Dart, but just

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ride the A train just with their ID, just like they ride

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the Connect bus service.

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So faculty, staff, students, our three universities, three

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colleges, universities, and we're going

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to see how that works.

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So we're going to give that a shot.

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Local fare promotion, our friends at Dart and the T, our

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Trinity Metro now felt they needed

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to increase the regional fares.

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So right now if you buy a regional pass from us or from

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Dart or from Trinity Metro, it's

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valid on any of them.

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We recognize each other.

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So we have to sell it at the same rate.

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Two of the three agencies engaged in this agreement thought

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they needed to raise the

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rates.

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Now from our perspective, we felt that was -- it was one

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important to stay part of the

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regional effort and not -- and not create something

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difficult for our customers.

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So we want a good customer experience.

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But we don't want to turn people off to the service because

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it got more expensive.

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So what we've done is, again, and the reason we say

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promotion, it has to do with the legal

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piece of our fares and how we set them.

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So six months is a reasonable thing for us to do a

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promotion on that.

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So we're doing two things with local fares.

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One is local fares on our system, which means ride the

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train.

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When you combine that with the local fare at Dart, so if

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you go to the trouble buying

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two tickets, it's actually going to be cheaper than it is

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today.

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So we're trying to keep the barriers to our riding down as

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much as we can.

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And the other thing, for the other end of our population

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that buy daily tickets or buy

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one ride tickets, which cost $1.50 right now, those will be

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$1 for the fall.

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And so we're doing a lot with that to make, again, see if

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we can get more people on the

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bus and the train and move forward with that.

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So all of the -- these costs have been incorporated into

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our budget that we talked about on

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Monday, and it keeps -- and we're still in good shape with

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that.

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So -- and then there's one other -- I would say another --

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this is really not linked as

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much to ridership and as much to community service, is that

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-- and I'll talk about it

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a little bit, but June 1st, we lowered our fares, our

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discount for nonprofits.

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We were discounting our tickets 25%, and that's now 50%.

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And so I'll show you the numbers on that.

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It's actually been quite effective in terms of getting more

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people out there, more tickets.

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So we're working a lot with station development all along

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our line, and we've seen a lot of

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good things happening.

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The Hebron station has just exploded around there with the

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development, the Huffines development.

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And we've seen a lot at the East End lofts.

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Hope to work -- that would be great if that could expand

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more.

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I believe what we see needs to happen -- I talked to the

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city's planning folks, and that

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is the same thing the city wants to see in many ways, and

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that's going to be a decision

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in zoning and all that that goes forward.

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But those things that are making it that we can deliver not

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only more ridership, better

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parking, but better value for our communities.

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And that's a theme I also want to have, is that we want to

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deliver better -- we want to

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deliver value to the community beyond our transit and our

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mobility solutions.

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Things like trails, and we'll talk about that in a minute.

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And can we get development to happen, increase the tax base

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?

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That's a positive, and so we want to make those things

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happen.

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We do want to look at our train trips.

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Do we have some low-production rides we need to do, maybe

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shift more to midday?

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The Mobility 2045 plan has an extension down the Beltline.

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We're investigating that, not sure if that's worth -- we've

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got to make sure the juice

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is worth the squeeze on that, and so see if that works for

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us.

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We already talked about dispatch improvements, and then I

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want to talk -- I'm going to show

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you a picture here, but one of the things that we've heard

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a lot about, you may have

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heard a lot about, is some service in Arlington, which is a

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demand response type service we

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talked about earlier, which picks up multiple people.

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Say you have a person going from A to C. On the way to C,

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you pick somebody up at B, and

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you go past C, drop them off, or go to C, and then drop off

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the person going to D.

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So it mixes trips together.

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It's an interesting -- the dynamics and the trip planning

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is all very complicated, but

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the software is now available for that.

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It makes the most sense when we start looking at this area,

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the airport zone, we're calling

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it, that this fall we're going to pilot that in the Denton

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Airport area.

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So very similar to the VIA service, DCTA vehicles disp

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atched, more like Uber and Lyft, and in

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an area that probably doesn't make sense to try to run a

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whole bunch of fixed drop buses.

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And so instead of saying, gee, it doesn't make sense to

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serve it, how can we take it

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another way and look at it and say, how can we provide a

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mobility solution, not a public

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transportation solution, and it turned out to be one and

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the same, a little bit nontraditional.

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So that's this fall.

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Very interesting.

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I wonder if I can just go back to the A train for a moment.

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What is your source of intelligence that tells you what the

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obstacles to ridership are and

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sort of what the desired attributes are to reach more

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people and to build ridership?

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Well, a couple things we do is we looked at there's a

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nationwide trend in drops in ridership.

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We've looked at that after the American Public

529
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Transportation Association, and we've seen

530
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,000
that around the country.

531
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,220
There's a few spots where it isn't, but almost across the

532
00:23:37,220 --> 00:23:39,000
board we're seeing drops.

533
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,779
The best information we have has to do with if you kind of

534
00:23:42,779 --> 00:23:45,000
look at a combination of things

535
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,759
or we look at less expensive gas, it's going up a little

536
00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:50,000
bit, but it's still not four bucks

537
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,000
a gallon.

538
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000
Unemployment is down.

539
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,059
That's a good thing, but that means people have more money

540
00:23:56,059 --> 00:23:58,000
and car production is up,

541
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,000
so there's a lot of used cars.

542
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,019
And so not only can you afford to buy a car, you can afford

543
00:24:03,019 --> 00:24:04,000
to drive a car.

544
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,000
35E in our particular area just got finished.

545
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,000
I mean, we're competing with convenience.

546
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,829
And so what we're looking at doing is how can we, and that

547
00:24:12,829 --> 00:24:14,000
's the feedback we get from

548
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000
our surveys, that's the intelligence piece.

549
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,200
So we look at the industry, we look at surveys that we take

550
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,000
from our customers, not only

551
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,220
those that ride, but those that a community survey for

552
00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:26,000
those that ride and those that

553
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000
don't ride and try to get answers.

554
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,000
And we also take public feedback in our meetings.

555
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,000
We do public meetings sets twice a year.

556
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,000
And so those are the things that we look at.

557
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,410
Now, there's one, we're doing a lot of things here this

558
00:24:40,410 --> 00:24:42,000
year with ridership.

559
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,759
And I think from the, I'm a civil engineer in my background

560
00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:47,000
, I used to be a public works

561
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,000
director.

562
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,490
And so when I look at things, we're putting a whole lot of

563
00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:53,000
things out there to see how

564
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,000
we can make an impact.

565
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,240
And from a scientist's perspective, we're doing a multivari

566
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,000
able equation.

567
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,000
We're not going to be sure which one worked as much.

568
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,950
But I think we need to keep, we're so focused on this, this

569
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:07,000
is where we need our emphasis

570
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,000
right now at DCTA.

571
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,319
>> I'll tell you, the reason I ask that is, just as a lay

572
00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:15,000
person, I have sort of no standing

573
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,000
on which to opine, okay?

574
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,589
But I would imagine that there's cost versus your

575
00:25:20,589 --> 00:25:24,000
alternatives, but then convenience versus

576
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,690
your alternatives, how long it takes you to get to your

577
00:25:27,690 --> 00:25:30,000
destination, and also planning

578
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,259
of your day, like how late you run, how early you run, and

579
00:25:33,259 --> 00:25:35,000
kind of predictability of the

580
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,000
service, you know, reliability.

581
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:43,210
And I would, you know, imagine that highly successful, well

582
00:25:43,210 --> 00:25:46,000
utilized commuter rails,

583
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:51,460
you know, beat traffic, because they don't compete with

584
00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:54,000
traffic, and run late.

585
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,390
And, you know, and I, so I was curious in your answer, if

586
00:25:59,390 --> 00:26:02,000
you're going to sort of tell

587
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,779
me where we, that's just my sort of guess, but where we

588
00:26:05,779 --> 00:26:08,000
stand on those kind of metrics,

589
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,759
if those really are the things that are important to riders

590
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:13,000
, or potential riders, and, you know,

591
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,980
or if there are gaps, and if we plan to optimize our

592
00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:18,000
product.

593
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,470
>> Well, the optimization occurs a couple of ways, but

594
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:22,000
primarily it's how do we address

595
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,000
the first and last mile connection.

596
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,210
One of the other things we've heard is that when you get,

597
00:26:27,210 --> 00:26:29,000
we have a pretty, it's a seamless

598
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,000
connection, pretty seamless tying into Dart.

599
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,589
We're on different schedules, so you've got to be careful

600
00:26:33,589 --> 00:26:35,000
with that, but you walk across

601
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,000
a platform and get on the Dart train.

602
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,000
It's not a huge hurdle.

603
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,000
There's a lot of stops between Trinity Mills and downtown.

604
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,339
And so we've been looking at, I mean, we've been looking at

605
00:26:46,339 --> 00:26:48,000
a full variety of things,

606
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,420
one of which is would it make more sense to take a bus from

607
00:26:51,420 --> 00:26:54,000
Hebron or Trinity Mills to

608
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,230
a specific target, so that we could eliminate a transfer at

609
00:26:57,230 --> 00:26:58,000
the other end that's outside

610
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,480
our service area, but you've got to be, I mean, how

611
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,000
creative --

612
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,000
>> You want to solve the problem.

613
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000
>> How do we want to solve the problem?

614
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,279
And could we, you know, an example is getting down to Park

615
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:11,000
land Hospital, which for our commuters,

616
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,950
Southwest Airlines, Parkland, Children's, all that, is kind

617
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:16,000
of in the realm, downtown

618
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,779
is kind of the limit of how far people will commute, our

619
00:27:19,779 --> 00:27:22,000
typical user would commute.

620
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,630
But you think about it another way, what if you could be

621
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:27,000
dropped off, you had one transfer

622
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,740
and could be dropped off at the time shoot, where you

623
00:27:29,740 --> 00:27:31,000
actually go into the, go to work

624
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,029
instead of having to transfer on one train, go through a

625
00:27:34,029 --> 00:27:36,000
bunch of stops, go to another

626
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,920
stop, and then maybe have to walk a ways to your time shoot

627
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,000
, right, where you actually

628
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,000
check in and report to work.

629
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,259
That's the kind of thing that we're hearing that we're

630
00:27:44,259 --> 00:27:46,000
trying to say, how can we eliminate

631
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,000
those barriers?

632
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,299
Because people don't want to take a bunch of transfers,

633
00:27:50,299 --> 00:27:52,000
kill ridership, and, you know,

634
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,000
I don't want to go through that, personally.

635
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,460
And I want to be able to get from one point to the other,

636
00:27:57,460 --> 00:27:59,000
and the more transfers you have,

637
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,759
the more daunting it is, and the more opportunities for

638
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:04,000
error to occur.

639
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,000
So, we can address the first and last mile.

640
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,009
We think that the transportation network companies, this

641
00:28:09,009 --> 00:28:11,000
demand responsive service, may make a

642
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,730
lot of sense, particularly in an area that's not real dense

643
00:28:14,730 --> 00:28:15,000
.

644
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,410
You know, my friends that run the Metro North in New York

645
00:28:19,410 --> 00:28:24,000
City, I mean, commuting is horrific.

646
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,000
I mean, it is, you know, it's hours to try to drive.

647
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,000
It takes so much longer than taking the train.

648
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,000
They have a somewhat of a captive market.

649
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,000
And they go straight into downtown.

650
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,910
So, as you go through that, and there's a different

651
00:28:40,910 --> 00:28:43,000
tolerance for commuting and things

652
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,900
like that in that area, right, I mean, it's just the nature

653
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:47,000
of the Northeast.

654
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,000
So, we look at things we can learn from them.

655
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,960
We look at things we learned from our area and from the

656
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,000
entire nation, and then try to apply those.

657
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,619
And so, that's where when you look at some of the things

658
00:28:57,619 --> 00:28:59,000
that we're looking at here,

659
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,119
and trying to be as innovative as we can be, and again, I'm

660
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:03,000
going to get to a little bit more of that in a bit,

661
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:08,000
but that's where we really think we are putting our focus,

662
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000
we're putting our focus on that in the budget,

663
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,000
and our focus on that in operations.

664
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,000
Yeah, thanks for letting me quiz you as you present.

665
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,940
No worries. Hey, look, this is a, no, you just tell me, you

666
00:29:17,940 --> 00:29:20,000
have to ask questions, I'm all about it.

667
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,549
So, Airport Zone, that's this fall, we're going to

668
00:29:23,549 --> 00:29:29,000
implement some service changes in, with the start of school

669
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:29,000
.

670
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,000
And then right after that, we start implementing this.

671
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,529
You'll hear the word Transloc, which is the software we use

672
00:29:34,529 --> 00:29:36,000
to make that happen.

673
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,029
Accomplishments, we talked a little bit about economic

674
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:40,000
development.

675
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,210
We had a good study done by the Ontario group that I've

676
00:29:43,210 --> 00:29:45,000
given to the council before,

677
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,509
and Mark, you have copies of that report that we have, that

678
00:29:48,509 --> 00:29:50,000
details a lot of this,

679
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,950
that we're starting to see, you know, development in the

680
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:55,000
corridor that's growing quite a bit.

681
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,000
Again, I talked about East End Lofts and Huffines.

682
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,309
There's a Tower Bay development that's going in at the High

683
00:30:01,309 --> 00:30:04,000
land Village, Louisville Lake Station.

684
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,019
I've got a lot of interest at the Med Park Station area for

685
00:30:07,019 --> 00:30:08,000
development.

686
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000
People come to me wanting that to happen.

687
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,519
And so, we'll work hand in glove with the city to make

688
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:15,000
those things happen.

689
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,269
And how can we leverage the regional investment in a

690
00:30:18,269 --> 00:30:22,109
railroad to better deliver value to the communities in

691
00:30:22,109 --> 00:30:24,000
terms of ad form taxes and ridership?

692
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,740
So, our recognition, we talked about financial and

693
00:30:28,740 --> 00:30:30,000
transparency.

694
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,109
And we're again, we're engaged in the RTC and all these

695
00:30:32,109 --> 00:30:33,000
different things.

696
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,000
I said, actually, it's been, I've been asked to, it expired

697
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:38,000
,

698
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,109
and I've been asked to participate again at the federal

699
00:30:40,109 --> 00:30:42,000
level with the Rail Safety Advisory Committee.

700
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,430
We lead a user group for our PTC, or Positive Train Control

701
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:46,000
System,

702
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,230
and we make regular conference presentations, our whole

703
00:30:49,230 --> 00:30:51,000
staff, around the country.

704
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:57,000
So, we've been fighting above our weight class.

705
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,000
We talk about cost savings and cost efficiencies.

706
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,490
That doesn't mean we don't keep looking at how to save

707
00:31:02,490 --> 00:31:03,000
money.

708
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,000
Okay?

709
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,779
One of the things we're looking at right now is we just put

710
00:31:06,779 --> 00:31:10,420
in an order for 12 smaller buses to use in lieu of some of

711
00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:11,000
our bigger buses.

712
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,089
Some of the routes in Houston, in Denton, might make sense

713
00:31:16,089 --> 00:31:18,000
to run with smaller buses.

714
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,000
That could be a good thing.

715
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,670
Less wear and tear on streets, more efficient in terms of

716
00:31:22,670 --> 00:31:25,180
fuel and costs, easier to maneuver through traffic, and

717
00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:27,000
they can go to different places.

718
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,000
Changing our schedules, incorporating TNCs.

719
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,269
We'll be doing that, and we're doing that now in Highland

720
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:38,000
Village, a very less dense area.

721
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,730
By discounting that service, providing discounts based on

722
00:31:40,730 --> 00:31:42,000
it, it's really interesting.

723
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:47,000
It's geocoded, and we've tested this, this technology works

724
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,000
, that it's geocoded and time-coded,

725
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,180
to where if you're in that area and your trip begins and

726
00:31:51,180 --> 00:31:53,779
ends in the zone, as if you were taking a bus, that it

727
00:31:53,779 --> 00:31:56,000
funds a discount.

728
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,450
The discount, you say, why are we funding discounts on Uber

729
00:31:58,450 --> 00:31:59,000
and Lyft?

730
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,940
Well, because you get like a 10 to 1 payback versus sending

731
00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:05,000
one of our vehicles out there.

732
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000
So, and it's, the math works.

733
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,000
It's really amazing how that happens.

734
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,750
And we still have the accessible service that we go with it

735
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:12,000
.

736
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,000
Demands and demand response dispatch.

737
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,609
We've been in single-car train operations for over a year

738
00:32:18,609 --> 00:32:19,000
now.

739
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,890
I hope to go back to two-car, but that's saving us about a

740
00:32:21,890 --> 00:32:24,000
half a million dollars a year there.

741
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000
Positive train control.

742
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000
We'll talk a little bit more about that in a minute.

743
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,000
We were involved in a regional project and went on our own

744
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,730
and saved between 15 and 20 million dollars on the capital

745
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:35,000
side.

746
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,500
And then, again, by going on our own with operations with

747
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:42,059
rail, while rail is really expensive, we saved about a

748
00:32:42,059 --> 00:32:46,000
million four by going on our own with First Transit.

749
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,000
We do actively pursue federal funding.

750
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,000
I am unabashedly seeking federal money wherever I can.

751
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,809
Our 20 million dollars that we did have to pay for positive

752
00:32:55,809 --> 00:32:57,000
train control.

753
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:02,000
13.6 was from federal funds, 5.5 in trails.

754
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,220
We did get a lot of transportation development credits, so

755
00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:08,000
that helps us with our cash in terms of our match.

756
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,750
And bus maintenance facility here in Denton was 8.9 million

757
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:12,000
.

758
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,569
Since then, we've gotten another 2.6 for a light duty

759
00:33:15,569 --> 00:33:18,460
facility in Louisville, so we cannot run all of our buses

760
00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:20,000
back and forth to Denton every day.

761
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,170
The service is in Louisville. We'll domicile them and do

762
00:33:23,170 --> 00:33:24,000
light repairs.

763
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,890
We'll steal all of our heavy repairs here in Denton at the

764
00:33:27,890 --> 00:33:30,000
bus operations facility.

765
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,700
We also received some funding for development around the

766
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:38,609
Old Town station, kind of like the DDTC South, at 10 and a

767
00:33:38,609 --> 00:33:41,000
half million dollars, 10.4 million from the COG.

768
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,500
So we are looking for ways to save our money as much as we

769
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:49,000
can, save your money as much as we can.

770
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,450
I don't know how familiar you all are with positive train

771
00:33:51,450 --> 00:33:55,000
control. It's based on an accident that occurred in 2008.

772
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:01,150
It is, and I left off the unfunded part of this mandate, it

773
00:34:01,150 --> 00:34:05,059
prevents train overspeed, train to train collision, misal

774
00:34:05,059 --> 00:34:08,000
igned switches, and work zone incidents.

775
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,960
So those things you read about, say up in Seattle where a

776
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,400
train ran off onto the highway because it was doing 180 and

777
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,000
a 30.

778
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,289
And, you know, there's been a few unfortunate incidents

779
00:34:18,289 --> 00:34:21,440
that it puts a positive brake on the train that overrides

780
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,000
the engineer's controls.

781
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,489
It will bring the train to a complete stop, then they have

782
00:34:26,489 --> 00:34:29,000
to get reinitialized with dispatch.

783
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,059
And so it stops those things from happening. Now, keep in

784
00:34:32,059 --> 00:34:36,110
mind, it will not help the things, trespasser incidents,

785
00:34:36,110 --> 00:34:39,000
grade crossings, and things like that.

786
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,400
Those are separate and apart from this, but this is train

787
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,369
operations. Are they going too fast? Are the two trains

788
00:34:45,369 --> 00:34:46,000
going to have an incident?

789
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,030
So that's what happens with that. We are real proud of what

790
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:52,159
we're doing with this because we're required to be in what

791
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,369
's called revenue service demonstration by December of this

792
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:56,000
year.

793
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,389
If you look at all the railroads in the country, we're in

794
00:34:58,389 --> 00:35:02,039
the top third on the FRA's chart. So we're in the right

795
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:04,000
place with that.

796
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,789
So I don't want to be that guy. That's a quote from one

797
00:35:06,789 --> 00:35:09,659
movie I've seen somewhere where you don't want to be the

798
00:35:09,659 --> 00:35:12,000
guy they choose to point out is the one not to make it.

799
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,550
So some of my friends are getting those letters. It's a bad

800
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:19,000
deal. We're not. So we're real pleased with that.

801
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,139
We've already completed static testing. We've got all of

802
00:35:21,139 --> 00:35:23,630
our installations. We're 100 percent installed, 100 percent

803
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:24,000
funded.

804
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,400
And we're beginning dynamic testing this weekend. So they

805
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,000
'll see trains out there.

806
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,079
One thing of note, because of all this extra protection, it

807
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:35,329
puts a lot of buffer in the system. It's going to make it a

808
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:37,000
little less efficient.

809
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,920
And so we're pursuing some federal funds to try to make it

810
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,000
more efficient. So just heads up on that.

811
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,260
We have got to get into revenue service demonstration. And

812
00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:49,349
so once we get there, then we'll go back and start fixing

813
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:52,000
the efficiencies as best we can.

814
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,760
So we have a real trail going from DTC to Hebron. We have

815
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,000
finally finished our last hurdle with text.

816
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,199
They released it for letting should go out to bid in August

817
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:03,000
or sooner.

818
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,199
We hope hopefully this month, if not in August, and we'll

819
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:09,300
be complete in 2019, which will mean that there is a

820
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:13,329
complete trail from the DTC all the way to the station,

821
00:36:13,329 --> 00:36:17,000
even across the lake down through the lake cities.

822
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,940
So it's a real positive deal. Again, what value we bring

823
00:36:19,940 --> 00:36:22,639
into our communities beyond just the transportation

824
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,000
services and mobility services we provide.

825
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,760
Kind of a cool statistic here. Well, we didn't know it was

826
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,380
an organic program we came up with that we've done a lot of

827
00:36:33,380 --> 00:36:37,289
talk discussion with our nonprofits and worked with United

828
00:36:37,289 --> 00:36:38,000
Way.

829
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,690
We were offering a 25 percent discount on our group tickets

830
00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:45,000
, our single ride tickets.

831
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,079
My senior king uses this United Way uses this or other

832
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:52,940
nonprofits. They buy the tickets at a deep discount. Now it

833
00:36:52,940 --> 00:36:55,000
's deeper.

834
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,079
We were able to sell four and a half times the number of

835
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:00,000
tickets between May and June.

836
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,949
It's been anecdotal because there's different times people

837
00:37:02,949 --> 00:37:05,610
buy the tickets, but we did see a big uptick and we saw new

838
00:37:05,610 --> 00:37:07,000
people buying them.

839
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,110
So from something that really doesn't cost us anything at

840
00:37:11,110 --> 00:37:15,239
the end of the day, we're running the buses anyway. I think

841
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,760
this helps the people, you know, at the other end of the

842
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,000
spectrum that maybe need a little bit more help.

843
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,550
And some of the folks that are dependent on the train maybe

844
00:37:21,550 --> 00:37:24,300
need the leg up, you know, hand up, not hand out. And we

845
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:26,000
help them. And that's something that we can do.

846
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,309
We're not real good at figuring out who those the right

847
00:37:28,309 --> 00:37:31,000
person is, but we are good at knowing who nonprofits are.

848
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,369
So we then sell it to them and then they work their program

849
00:37:34,369 --> 00:37:38,000
, work their magic on how that goes. So very positive.

850
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,119
Amazing result. He just parenthetically, since you brought

851
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,829
up my senior king, I understand there's a stop about half a

852
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:46,000
mile south of them and a half a mile north.

853
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000
Yes.

854
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,000
Don't stop right there.

855
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,980
There's there's a we've been kind of going. I talked to Roy

856
00:37:51,980 --> 00:37:55,760
last night. OK, just for the as for this because we've got

857
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,000
some particular issues this week with the high heat.

858
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,559
And we're answering the mail on that. We're doing some

859
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:06,000
humanitarian runs from the soup kitchen.

860
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,159
Our daily bread. Thank you. Back down to Monsignor King so

861
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:12,219
that we're not, you know, it's a pretty vulnerable

862
00:38:12,219 --> 00:38:13,000
population.

863
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,639
So we agreed to help with that. We're looking at a long

864
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:18,000
term solution.

865
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,539
One of it is some of that is reduce fare passes. The other

866
00:38:20,539 --> 00:38:23,000
is how do we deal with moving some folks?

867
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,710
There's other communities that take some of their buses

868
00:38:25,710 --> 00:38:28,590
coming out of service, the smaller ones that don't require

869
00:38:28,590 --> 00:38:31,000
a CDL transferring them some are nonprofits.

870
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,150
You know, when they reach out when we're done with them and

871
00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:36,000
then have a that's another option.

872
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,170
There's a bunch of options we're working with them on. My

873
00:38:39,170 --> 00:38:42,030
folks, my operations people are engaged with Roy and the

874
00:38:42,030 --> 00:38:44,000
other folks at the Monsignor King.

875
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,000
I went there one morning to go visit with them.

876
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:53,369
There's a the site is located between two routes. And our

877
00:38:53,369 --> 00:38:56,000
problem is how do we get down there to turn around?

878
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,000
And if we had the route design just it.

879
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000
I bet Roy had some ideas on how they could turn around.

880
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,869
Well, when you take our big buses and you take you start

881
00:39:05,869 --> 00:39:08,000
trying to turn around in the parking lot.

882
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,449
We do our very best not to pull into parking lots and we

883
00:39:10,449 --> 00:39:13,119
destroy parking lots if we're not careful with the weight

884
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:14,000
of the buses.

885
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,369
And so we've got to be cautious with that. We're going to

886
00:39:17,369 --> 00:39:20,000
keep working on it. I'm not giving up on that.

887
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,309
Obviously not because we're helping them this week. There

888
00:39:22,309 --> 00:39:25,320
will be people today being transported by DCTA buses to get

889
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,000
them to where they need to be.

890
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,829
And again, we don't want to put our most vulnerable

891
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:33,760
population at risk if we can help it. So that's what's up

892
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,000
with that.

893
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,940
So kind of a good news story. We just got to work out

894
00:39:36,940 --> 00:39:39,000
something that's sustainable long term.

895
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,050
That's probably not the best way to do business long term,

896
00:39:42,050 --> 00:39:45,489
but it's not to be ignored either. So stay tuned. More to

897
00:39:45,489 --> 00:39:46,000
follow.

898
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,739
All right. Specific information requests. Mark asked me to

899
00:39:48,739 --> 00:39:53,000
put together some things to talk about.

900
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,400
Innovation. We talked about Highland Village on

901
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,000
transportation network companies.

902
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,710
My good friends are here from University of North Texas in

903
00:40:01,710 --> 00:40:07,000
our new contract, which will start this actually in August.

904
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,039
We have a brand new contract that's been approved by both

905
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:13,000
boards, both the DCTA board and the Board of Regents.

906
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,840
That lift will actually be taking care of the 2 a.m. to 7 a

907
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:22,000
.m. rides. Same geocoding that we've already tested.

908
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,059
Time coding, geocoding to control cost. Basically just ride

909
00:40:26,059 --> 00:40:29,130
around the campus and make sure that our students get home,

910
00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:32,190
you know, back to their dorms, back to their car at the

911
00:40:32,190 --> 00:40:33,000
right time.

912
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,679
So very positive. We've been doing taxi cabs, both voucher

913
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:41,429
and dispatch. I told you we've we had a we're we're a

914
00:40:41,429 --> 00:40:43,000
regional partner.

915
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,059
We have the McKinney Urban Transit District actually asked

916
00:40:47,059 --> 00:40:51,000
us to help contract some service for them and we provide a

917
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000
voucher cab service.

918
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,170
So a rider in it's funded by the McKinney Urban Transit

919
00:40:56,170 --> 00:40:59,400
District and they pay us overhead in addition to direct

920
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,000
cost.

921
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,650
But they a rider will send one hundred dollars to the cab

922
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:07,360
company and they send them a four hundred dollar voucher

923
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,000
back.

924
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,409
And then that person there's no dispatch by us. They just

925
00:41:12,409 --> 00:41:14,000
get in, call the cab, swipe their card.

926
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,440
And from a personal personal pride, I guess is the right

927
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,000
word or dignity standpoint, driver doesn't matter.

928
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,329
They don't care who you are. All they know is you got a

929
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:26,000
card that's got cash on it and you get to ride.

930
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,639
Now, the thing that we do is since we're doing service also

931
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:32,989
in the Frisco area, if we have once or twice, we've had to

932
00:41:32,989 --> 00:41:35,590
send one of our bigger vehicles because someone has a

933
00:41:35,590 --> 00:41:37,000
really large mobility device.

934
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,210
You know, some of these motorized wheelchairs and things

935
00:41:40,210 --> 00:41:43,309
are just too big for the cab, even the accessible cabs to

936
00:41:43,309 --> 00:41:44,000
handle.

937
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:52,000
And so they reimburse us for that plus plus our overhead.

938
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Now we do dispatch service.

939
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,699
Frisco is getting contracted with us to do that. They pay

940
00:41:56,699 --> 00:41:59,000
us direct plus overhead.

941
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,800
And we actually dispatch cabs because they wanted us to run

942
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,000
two of our vehicles full time.

943
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,639
Those got full. This demand response service really works,

944
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:09,000
particularly in that community.

945
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,800
And it works in our community, too. But it's it's we can

946
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,000
make it more efficient.

947
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,690
But as we keep making it more efficient and get more demand

948
00:42:15,690 --> 00:42:18,000
on it, it's tough to put a half of us out there.

949
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,369
So if we fill up our bus, we'll dispatch a cab and then

950
00:42:21,369 --> 00:42:24,000
they want to also go with lift, too.

951
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,380
And so really a positive thing. We're seeing a lot of neat,

952
00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:29,000
really cool stuff with that.

953
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,730
I already talked about Denton Airport contract reports with

954
00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:34,000
approach with the University of North Texas.

955
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,940
University of North Texas really wanted to get out of the

956
00:42:35,940 --> 00:42:37,000
bus ownership business.

957
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,469
And we so we worked it out to optimize routes, be able to

958
00:42:42,469 --> 00:42:44,000
fund part of the bus fleet.

959
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,340
Very, very, you know, again, a good thing for all of us all

960
00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:48,000
around.

961
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,719
And and that's a ten year thing. So we're really proud of

962
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:51,000
that.

963
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,059
Really pleased to be a partner with University of North

964
00:42:54,059 --> 00:42:56,000
Texas cost sharing trinity metro.

965
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,900
And we provide a bus that travels from Denton to downtown

966
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:01,000
Fort Worth.

967
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,449
Well, Fort Worth provides a bus that goes from downtown

968
00:43:03,449 --> 00:43:05,000
Fort Worth all the way to Denton.

969
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,250
We didn't want to try to meet in the middle and have to do

970
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:09,000
that transfer that kills ridership.

971
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,719
So they pay for one bus, we pay for the other and we both

972
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,000
stop in Alliance and move on down the road.

973
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,000
So that's how we split it instead of making it inconvenient

974
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,000
for customers.

975
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,340
Again, really, really positive. We're trying to help on the

976
00:43:23,340 --> 00:43:27,000
technology side with Alliance, not funding,

977
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,400
but trying to help with how to make it better because we

978
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,179
want our people in Denton to be able to get to Alliance and

979
00:43:32,179 --> 00:43:33,000
get the jobs.

980
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,000
And if you get off the bus, it's a long walk to everywhere,

981
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,000
but a few places in Alliance, a whole bunch of jobs,

982
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,349
a whole bunch of people, but they are spread out. So how do

983
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:42,000
we get there?

984
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,000
Doesn't make a lot of sense to do fixed drop bus.

985
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,340
We're looking at some different technologies to try to make

986
00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:48,000
that better.

987
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,000
And then this is something we've been experimenting with.

988
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,329
And I think it's something that might have might be, you

989
00:43:55,329 --> 00:43:57,000
know, what some of these others,

990
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,719
some of the contract cities we work with also serve as labs

991
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,000
for us to test technology and to test approaches.

992
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,000
We'll talk about autonomous vehicles here in just a second.

993
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,000
But the idea of a transportation management association,

994
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,590
if there's some things that don't make sense for it to be

995
00:44:13,590 --> 00:44:17,679
totally funded by say DCT, there's a specific business need

996
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:18,000
.

997
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,309
This is something we've partnered with some businesses in

998
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:24,000
the city of Frisco.

999
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,920
Again, we're we're not contributing costs into these things

1000
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,000
other than some a little bit of our time.

1001
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:34,239
But again, to test the model of how can we do a TMA and how

1002
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,860
do we bring in people, bring in more cities, lower costs

1003
00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:39,000
for our members.

1004
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,949
A lot of positive stuff there. So public private

1005
00:44:41,949 --> 00:44:46,000
collaboration. It's a real good good thing.

1006
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,239
This is something again, we're doing a test lab. This is

1007
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,239
part of our you know, we see autonomous vehicles and that

1008
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,000
technology entering our space.

1009
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,360
And again, much like the transportation network companies,

1010
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,510
I think you can tell we're embracing it. We're not fighting

1011
00:45:02,510 --> 00:45:03,000
it.

1012
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,340
I don't know if I'm ready to embrace this yet, but we're

1013
00:45:05,340 --> 00:45:07,000
part of it. We're going to test it.

1014
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:12,230
So drive AI came to us and some business partners in the

1015
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:16,000
city, again, the city of at that point Frisco and said,

1016
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,929
we want to fund a pilot program for six months. Would you

1017
00:45:19,929 --> 00:45:21,000
help us?

1018
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,170
Not with money, but with average, you know, with the

1019
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:27,000
technical not the technical piece from the city

1020
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
institutional piece for us.

1021
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,969
We're trying to figure out what is the institutional

1022
00:45:31,969 --> 00:45:35,000
infrastructure to make things like this happen.

1023
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,360
So we've the agency's got a lot of good PR says I want

1024
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,000
channel five last night doing an interview on this.

1025
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,119
They're going to start service. Soft launches to twenty

1026
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:46,000
third.

1027
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,769
The full launches on the 30th and Hall Business Park to

1028
00:45:49,769 --> 00:45:53,000
limited white list service in terms of it's a test.

1029
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,000
And we're going to try to find out does this make sense?

1030
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,000
Is it can it do safe operations? Is it do people accept it?

1031
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,000
And then does it make financial sense?

1032
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,369
And so clearly not sustainable for their venture capital

1033
00:46:06,369 --> 00:46:08,000
ists to fund it forever.

1034
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,769
How could this ever come to play? Don't know. So we're we

1035
00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:14,000
're testing that right now.

1036
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,469
And it's pretty interesting this deal down here at the

1037
00:46:16,469 --> 00:46:17,000
bottom.

1038
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,219
The screen shows all of the sensor data coming in. It's

1039
00:46:20,219 --> 00:46:25,000
fascinating, which, by the way, if Mark, we could schedule.

1040
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,789
I know they they they hook us up. We want to bring some of

1041
00:46:27,789 --> 00:46:29,000
the council up there or something.

1042
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,800
We could get a time to ride to see that. And that's again,

1043
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,000
that's part of the value.

1044
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,610
We were asked a lot of questions. Why are you doing this in

1045
00:46:36,610 --> 00:46:38,000
Frisco? Why aren't you doing it here?

1046
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,920
Which is a good question to ask. Well, I haven't got people

1047
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,000
that want to fund it here yet.

1048
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,769
So but we can learn a lot and bring that knowledge to our

1049
00:46:46,769 --> 00:46:50,000
communities and serve more as we go forward.

1050
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,000
So pretty cool stuff. Very, very exciting.

1051
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:59,079
Just a superficial reaction was it seems like a possible

1052
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:03,000
possible application would be in the Alliance Airport.

1053
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,659
You know, solving that last bit. You know, you've got

1054
00:47:05,659 --> 00:47:07,000
people going to many different stops.

1055
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,239
We are I'm not going to profess to be an expert on Uber and

1056
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,380
Lyft. But my understanding is that their business model

1057
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:16,000
long haul requires this.

1058
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,469
So and I tell Pete, you know, I say, well, you think the

1059
00:47:19,469 --> 00:47:21,000
technology at work?

1060
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,429
OK, I was in that National Guard for 28 years, spent a

1061
00:47:24,429 --> 00:47:27,789
little bit of time in a South Asian country and Central

1062
00:47:27,789 --> 00:47:29,000
Asian country.

1063
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,550
We can put the right Hellfire missile in the right Toyota

1064
00:47:31,550 --> 00:47:34,360
Corolla to take out the right bad guy from a parking lot in

1065
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,000
Arizona.

1066
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:40,000
I think we can figure this out. So it's public acceptance.

1067
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,000
It's insurance. It's how to get it to learn. So it doesn't

1068
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,000
make a lot of mistakes.

1069
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,730
This is operating. These are these are the same vehicles

1070
00:47:48,730 --> 00:47:51,000
and New York cab system is using.

1071
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,199
They're doing they really am I just real quick. I'll tell

1072
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:54,000
you what's really interesting.

1073
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,000
One of the hardest parts. I like to ride a bike, maybe jock

1074
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,000
in city streets. Well, how do I communicate with drivers?

1075
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,730
So if you pull up, I'm going to look at you in the eye and

1076
00:48:02,730 --> 00:48:05,590
say, you know, hit me when I pull out or are you good to go

1077
00:48:05,590 --> 00:48:06,000
?

1078
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,389
But this is that says what the car is about to do. It's

1079
00:48:09,389 --> 00:48:11,000
actually a sign.

1080
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,489
You have to be by that tells me you weren't by the mic. Oh,

1081
00:48:14,489 --> 00:48:16,000
oh, sorry.

1082
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,000
I'll be better. OK, anyway, it's really interesting stuff.

1083
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,230
So we're trying to learn about it. And I think, again, it

1084
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:25,000
brings value to our communities because when this

1085
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,000
technology continues to hit

1086
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,400
and we get more and more options, if we figure out it's a

1087
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,440
good idea, then we'll be bringing it to saying, I don't

1088
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,000
want to say just alliance.

1089
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,750
Why not dentin if it's in the right place at the right time

1090
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:39,000
? Why not? If it makes sense.

1091
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,550
So let's learn, figure it out, and then we'll get smart on

1092
00:48:41,550 --> 00:48:44,000
this stuff and be really ready to bring it forward.

1093
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,650
So and I think it's going to hit that. You know, there's a

1094
00:48:47,650 --> 00:48:49,369
lot of debate over whether the Uber and Lyft system is

1095
00:48:49,369 --> 00:48:50,000
sustainable.

1096
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,329
They've not been through a recession yet. So time will tell

1097
00:48:54,329 --> 00:48:56,000
what is sustainable.

1098
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,690
We know is that the demand from the public for that kind of

1099
00:48:59,690 --> 00:49:02,000
service is not going to go away.

1100
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,000
And so somehow that level of service is going to be done.

1101
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,000
OK, Mark wants me to continue. Sorry. OK, I got it.

1102
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,059
All right. This is what Mark's got. This is all our data on

1103
00:49:11,059 --> 00:49:12,000
the right side.

1104
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,730
Don't if you can read that, I'll give you a dollar because

1105
00:49:14,730 --> 00:49:16,000
it's too small for me.

1106
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,239
But sales tax, demand response, UNT, Connect Service, A-T

1107
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,000
rain, all of us there.

1108
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,869
Mark's got the Excel spreadsheet. So I think this answers

1109
00:49:25,869 --> 00:49:28,000
the questions we've gotten.

1110
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,400
And if you got more, fine. No worries. One note, the demand

1111
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,000
response is for the whole service area.

1112
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,239
That's all three cities. The rest of it is Denton only. A-T

1113
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,000
rain is the whole service.

1114
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,000
It's all A-Train boardings and what we have there.

1115
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:46,000
So, Mark, I'll leave it to you if you want to pass that on.

1116
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,860
A lot of discussion about passenger amenities and this is a

1117
00:49:50,860 --> 00:49:55,239
map of all the things that exist and all the ones that are

1118
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,000
being built and where they're going.

1119
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,769
Just again, this is much as much a report as a presentation

1120
00:50:00,769 --> 00:50:03,000
. So I'm going to click through these pretty quick.

1121
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,260
These are all the ones that were done in March, April. OK,

1122
00:50:05,260 --> 00:50:08,000
yeah, I'm really interested in this subject.

1123
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,349
Got it. I know we have a lot to cover, but just is the

1124
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:15,000
objective to ultimately have everything have shelters or?

1125
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,820
So we don't think that we try to get it to where we look at

1126
00:50:18,820 --> 00:50:20,000
the highest.

1127
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,800
There's two criteria. I want to say there's a hard criteria

1128
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,000
. One, it has to be space.

1129
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,219
Right. It's got to be room for it. The second one is we try

1130
00:50:29,219 --> 00:50:34,000
to place these at the highest ridership locations or and we

1131
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:34,000
know.

1132
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,000
So we don't have it's generally at the twenty five fifty.

1133
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,000
We try to get a good number of people stop in there.

1134
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,690
And so if we have there's a third piece, which is there an

1135
00:50:42,690 --> 00:50:45,000
accessible route to get there.

1136
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,289
So that's coordinate with the city on sidewalks. I'm going

1137
00:50:48,289 --> 00:50:50,309
to show you some pictures of some of the work we did, which

1138
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:53,000
will explain a lot of what our effort has been.

1139
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,469
But Mark will have a copy of this. This is the status of

1140
00:50:56,469 --> 00:51:00,000
all the stops that we're working on right now.

1141
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,260
And so let me click through this and I'll go back if you

1142
00:51:03,260 --> 00:51:05,000
need to. So we've got March, April.

1143
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,219
This is what has already been done in May and June. All

1144
00:51:08,219 --> 00:51:13,000
these different locations, more that are already complete.

1145
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,739
And then these are the ones these two pages are what we're

1146
00:51:17,739 --> 00:51:20,000
what are underway for July.

1147
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,199
And then we've got some permits in review now and bring

1148
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:27,739
those up. So so the whole thing when we say these are the

1149
00:51:27,739 --> 00:51:30,000
things we're doing, this is what it looks like.

1150
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,119
So we want to have an accessible boarding area already got

1151
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:36,190
a sidewalk, one place to stand so they can the bus can drop

1152
00:51:36,190 --> 00:51:39,599
the ramp down and they could step directly on the bus

1153
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:41,000
without having to walk through the mud.

1154
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,010
So that's actually really close to her student housing area

1155
00:51:46,010 --> 00:51:48,000
, accessible ramp.

1156
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,039
How can we get there again? Getting a boarding area

1157
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:54,000
sidewalk for a path.

1158
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,940
Don't do a whole lot of those, but there's some steps we're

1159
00:51:56,940 --> 00:51:59,000
trying to figure out.

1160
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,800
That's what our bus shelters look like with a ramp, get

1161
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,000
people in there and more another accessible boarding area.

1162
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,940
So with that, I went a long ways. Sorry. What are your

1163
00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:12,000
questions?

1164
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,369
I don't mean to hug Johnny, just haven't made a signal or

1165
00:52:14,369 --> 00:52:15,000
anything.

1166
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,000
I'm good. Yeah.

1167
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,000
I had several conversations.

1168
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,000
Over the years.

1169
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,000
Yes.

1170
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,000
We'll be back. You know that.

1171
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,000
Anytime you want me to come, I'll come.

1172
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,269
Any updates for us on the labor situation with the bus

1173
00:52:30,269 --> 00:52:31,000
drivers?

1174
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,000
We're, you know, we're.

1175
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,000
Let me set the stage for that too.

1176
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,179
Our contractor first transit is they are responsible for

1177
00:52:39,179 --> 00:52:41,760
providing general management of a sub corporation which is

1178
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,000
transportation management in Denton County.

1179
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,909
They actually hold the CBA, which is a collective

1180
00:52:45,909 --> 00:52:47,000
bargaining agreement.

1181
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,260
Look, we've got great drivers. They do a great job. They're

1182
00:52:50,260 --> 00:52:52,000
safe. They could provide great customer service.

1183
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,219
We're going to work a long term game that's going to be in

1184
00:52:55,219 --> 00:52:57,000
everybody's best benefit.

1185
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,000
And I believe we'll end up with the right answer.

1186
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,000
We've the contract expired.

1187
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,000
So there's been a longer time than we'd hoped.

1188
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,519
But we've been working through that and I feel pretty

1189
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:12,000
comfortable that we're going to be in good shape.

1190
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:17,000
So that's our that's what we're working towards.

1191
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,000
And those are always sensitive things.

1192
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:24,000
So a little bit of grace will work through this.

1193
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:29,000
Thank you very much. It's really interesting.

1194
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,000
Go ahead, Mr. Chair, just for those who are viewing at home

1195
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,000
and those who may want to to take a look at this

1196
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,000
presentation that Mr. Klein has, we will get that.

1197
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,000
It was not ready for when we posted the agenda.

1198
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,769
So we'll have that posted on our website so they can go

1199
00:53:47,769 --> 00:53:50,000
back and take a look at that.

1200
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,519
And obviously, I think you had some questions about some of

1201
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:54,909
the different stops that they're enhancing and that'll

1202
00:53:54,909 --> 00:53:57,269
allow you an opportunity to go through those one by one if

1203
00:53:57,269 --> 00:53:58,000
you wish.

1204
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,000
Right. So that'll be public information.

1205
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,000
It is. No, no, no worries.

1206
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,659
And again, if you have questions about the data, it's all

1207
00:54:04,659 --> 00:54:06,000
in an Excel spreadsheet.

1208
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,389
So do the math to your and if we need if we can help, we

1209
00:54:11,389 --> 00:54:14,000
need something else. You need something else.

1210
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,000
Tell us and we'll work on it. We'll get that together.

1211
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,199
Thank you so much. Thank you so much for your time and

1212
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:21,000
always a privilege to come and visit with you.

1213
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,000
Thank you.

1214
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,000
All right. Okay. Okay.

1215
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,980
So it's a what do we what do we take five minutes since you

1216
00:54:29,980 --> 00:54:31,000
didn't go in for.

1217
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:42,099
Well, no, no, no. Okay. We'll take one minute for Council

1218
00:54:42,099 --> 00:54:46,000
member breaks to rejoin us.

1219
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:54,260
We'll take a minute for Councilmember Texas that allow them

1220
00:54:54,260 --> 00:55:01,000
to go ahead and present and move on with their day.

1221
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,000
Okay.

1222
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,659
Welcome back. We're going to skip ahead and do item E

1223
00:55:06,659 --> 00:55:10,000
because we have some folks have some time constraints.

1224
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,409
Item E MC 18 dash 0 31 receiver report hold a discussion

1225
00:55:14,409 --> 00:55:17,380
and provide direction regarding the University of North

1226
00:55:17,380 --> 00:55:20,000
Texas is bike share pilot proposal.

1227
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,769
Consider the recommendation of an ordinance amending

1228
00:55:22,769 --> 00:55:26,070
ordinance to 2018 dash nine oh three related to the inter

1229
00:55:26,070 --> 00:55:29,780
local agreement between the city of Denton and the

1230
00:55:29,780 --> 00:55:32,000
University of North Texas.

1231
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:41,230
Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Mr. Chair committee Mark

1232
00:55:41,230 --> 00:55:41,760
Nelson director of transportation. So I've got a very short

1233
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,190
part of this conversation and then I'll turn it over to Dr.

1234
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:47,000
Clark with the University of North Texas.

1235
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,760
Longer the short is, as you may recall, the city of Denton

1236
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,559
and the University of North Texas worked out an interlocal

1237
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:58,239
agreement between the two agencies to to assist with the

1238
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:03,280
provision of bike share essentially University of North

1239
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:08,219
Texas had identified a private sector vendor to manage or

1240
00:56:08,219 --> 00:56:12,179
at least do the logistical side of a bike share program on

1241
00:56:12,179 --> 00:56:13,000
campus.

1242
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:18,510
They were recently advised by that operator spin that they

1243
00:56:18,510 --> 00:56:23,780
'd no longer be providing that type of platform as part of

1244
00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:28,000
their shared alternative transportation services.

1245
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,829
And so therefore, what we're looking at doing is moving

1246
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:36,000
forward with amending our existing or amending the existing

1247
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,010
ordinance to remove the reference to spin and essentially

1248
00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:44,019
work directly with the University of North Texas and North

1249
00:56:44,019 --> 00:56:48,519
Texas would at that point in time, provide us a point of

1250
00:56:48,519 --> 00:56:51,000
contact with their logistical partner.

1251
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,440
But again, because the program is owned, funded and

1252
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,800
operated by the University of North Texas, we would

1253
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,559
continue to work through the University of North Texas but

1254
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:04,000
then have that point of contact.

1255
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:10,550
So with that, I'd like to invite Dr. Clark with the

1256
00:57:10,550 --> 00:57:18,039
university to come up and walk through his presentation and

1257
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:24,889
give a little bit more information as it relates to that

1258
00:57:24,889 --> 00:57:28,119
particular program. And, and then I can come back up and

1259
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:28,340
answer any questions that you may have in terms of how we

1260
00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:28,579
might advance or otherwise move forward with a with a

1261
00:57:28,579 --> 00:57:29,000
revision to the existing interlocal agreement.

1262
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:37,000
Dr. Clark.

1263
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:42,289
Good afternoon. My name is Alan Clark, I am an alumni from

1264
00:57:42,289 --> 00:57:47,000
the University of North Texas and Texas Women's University

1265
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:53,150
began work on my doctoral program in 1997 and just never

1266
00:57:53,150 --> 00:57:54,000
left.

1267
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,940
And, and have been having the opportunity to understand and

1268
00:57:58,940 --> 00:58:03,579
look at transportation and things are a little different

1269
00:58:03,579 --> 00:58:07,000
than than what we've known in the past.

1270
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:14,780
I've never had the instance where a company has come back

1271
00:58:14,780 --> 00:58:21,889
and said you know what we're just not going to do that

1272
00:58:21,889 --> 00:58:25,369
business anymore. That was new to me and so we felt like we

1273
00:58:25,369 --> 00:58:25,949
were we really needed to come to you and tell you where we

1274
00:58:25,949 --> 00:58:26,460
were we, we felt like we're still on track to have a

1275
00:58:26,460 --> 00:58:27,000
bicycle share program.

1276
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,929
In the four when classes begin but it kind of sets us back

1277
00:58:30,929 --> 00:58:34,800
as to phasing and us, maintaining the operations and

1278
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,409
changing the bike color so that they represent the

1279
00:58:38,409 --> 00:58:43,000
university in our Texas and have that green appeal to them.

1280
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:48,000
But with that, what what have we learned well we've learned

1281
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:53,010
that that the transportation world, everybody's getting

1282
00:58:53,010 --> 00:58:55,000
into that business.

1283
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,309
And there are a lot of venture capital companies that are

1284
00:58:59,309 --> 00:59:03,809
jumping in, and they see where there's an opportunity and

1285
00:59:03,809 --> 00:59:08,300
then when the opportunity may be different, they're just

1286
00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:12,820
transitioning away from that and going into other types of

1287
00:59:12,820 --> 00:59:16,000
venues and so the company we had talked to just basically

1288
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,000
let us know it we're going into the scooter business.

1289
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,880
We as as the University of North Texas, we're not going

1290
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:29,130
into the scooter business we've got basically 40,000 people

1291
00:59:29,130 --> 00:59:33,619
on 200 acres that are there, and we feel like we need more

1292
00:59:33,619 --> 00:59:38,000
control that comes with bikes we've had bikes on campus.

1293
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,289
The last time I addressed this committee we were talking

1294
00:59:41,289 --> 00:59:44,000
about we had 1700 bikes on campus.

1295
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:49,030
Why are we doing this well, because at the end of this year

1296
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:54,710
we collected 300 bikes that were just left and we feel like

1297
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:59,000
with that transition into the bike program.

1298
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,760
Hopefully we can convince people to leave their bikes at

1299
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,980
home and come share our bikes. And so, when we had talked a

1300
01:00:06,980 --> 01:00:11,000
bit about this and brought it to the council itself.

1301
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,809
So originally we're going to and what we're intent is to

1302
01:00:13,809 --> 01:00:17,199
start out with 100 bikes, move on to probably 250 by

1303
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:20,440
somewhere in the October, November timeframe, but we've got

1304
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,260
to learn some stuff first and we'll come back and let you

1305
01:00:23,260 --> 01:00:25,000
know what we've learned.

1306
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,599
There are some things we do want to look at and that's a DA

1307
01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:32,000
assist in the bike world.

1308
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,289
And so we're going to start out with just plain bikes that

1309
01:00:35,289 --> 01:00:38,739
everybody's accustomed to riding, but this company does

1310
01:00:38,739 --> 01:00:41,000
have an electric assist program.

1311
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,199
And in that program you're able to go and set it up for

1312
01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:47,760
somebody with heart conditions or somebody with health

1313
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,369
issues, so that you get into situations where there's an

1314
01:00:51,369 --> 01:00:55,199
incline or there's a long track, you can engage electricity

1315
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:57,000
to help you with that.

1316
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:02,280
They also have actual ADA bikes where that are hand rotated

1317
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,000
, then by feet.

1318
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,320
And so we're going to take a heavy look at that over the

1319
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,960
fall semester, but we'll come to you and let you know what

1320
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,139
our plans are and what we think is going to be best to

1321
01:01:14,139 --> 01:01:16,000
support our customers.

1322
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:20,409
Who did we choose we we felt like we needed to go with a

1323
01:01:20,409 --> 01:01:25,090
company that had been in this for a long term and had kind

1324
01:01:25,090 --> 01:01:28,000
of did it with their own money.

1325
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,289
So we went with VO ride and they're going to be our

1326
01:01:31,289 --> 01:01:35,099
sponsors and in this case that we've already spoke with

1327
01:01:35,099 --> 01:01:39,159
them on several occasions and they will be maintaining the

1328
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:43,230
logistics to make sure the bikes get out, but the bikes get

1329
01:01:43,230 --> 01:01:46,590
back at seven o'clock every morning because we have to

1330
01:01:46,590 --> 01:01:50,000
facilitate the transition from the parking

1331
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,349
to the bus mainly and and with new construction, where we

1332
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:57,349
lost 1200 spaces last year in the development of buildings

1333
01:01:57,349 --> 01:02:00,619
which is great, it means we've got more opportunity for

1334
01:02:00,619 --> 01:02:03,949
more students more growth, but that means we're parking

1335
01:02:03,949 --> 01:02:05,000
further away.

1336
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,650
And with that we need this, this, this transportation

1337
01:02:08,650 --> 01:02:12,449
opportunity to allow people to commute back in, we will be

1338
01:02:12,449 --> 01:02:16,170
using the bus services that are there we will be using lift

1339
01:02:16,170 --> 01:02:19,630
at night but we also want to have this as an option of how

1340
01:02:19,630 --> 01:02:23,000
to address the fact that we really have to get out

1341
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,340
of the transfer, the parking business and get into the

1342
01:02:26,340 --> 01:02:28,000
transportation business.

1343
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,170
We've talked about some of the things that have taken place

1344
01:02:32,170 --> 01:02:35,489
and that we know about this company. One of the things that

1345
01:02:35,489 --> 01:02:37,269
is a benefit to us. They build their own bikes and I'll

1346
01:02:37,269 --> 01:02:39,269
show you an example of what their bike is and some of the

1347
01:02:39,269 --> 01:02:42,000
things that made us decide on this bike.

1348
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,900
One of the things that comes with this is they can easily

1349
01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:51,159
switch colors. And so that's a savings of about $50,000 for

1350
01:02:51,159 --> 01:02:55,420
the university because they're just going to make the color

1351
01:02:55,420 --> 01:02:58,829
switch in the production run. And so that won't be an

1352
01:02:58,829 --> 01:03:00,000
additional expense for that.

1353
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,320
Another option was, we know for a university where we're at

1354
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,309
and what we're looking at the commuters are going to be

1355
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:10,039
about 30 minutes average commute and so that's 50 cents to

1356
01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:13,110
us we the university will be paying this for the student

1357
01:03:13,110 --> 01:03:15,000
writers, and then we'll look at this.

1358
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,000
This is a one year pilot.

1359
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,690
We will go out for RFP when we get close end into the next

1360
01:03:21,690 --> 01:03:26,940
summer, and give everybody the opportunity to look at this

1361
01:03:26,940 --> 01:03:31,210
and and Vio right understands that as well. The bike itself

1362
01:03:31,210 --> 01:03:32,000
is that we're going to have to start out with and that's

1363
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,000
not a bad thing but we are going to brand

1364
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:38,179
this UNT as well. But we found out in the construction of

1365
01:03:38,179 --> 01:03:41,000
this bike and what they have done.

1366
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,019
There's just some things that that we like in the

1367
01:03:44,019 --> 01:03:48,000
adjustable seats the difference in the speed of the gears.

1368
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,039
Anti theft devices that are socially self parking

1369
01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:56,710
capability, not self parking but we don't have to have the

1370
01:03:56,710 --> 01:04:00,710
bike racks that we have today to be able to pike to to

1371
01:04:00,710 --> 01:04:04,000
house these bikes in certain areas.

1372
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,170
And that will be good to us. This is how we will brand this

1373
01:04:08,170 --> 01:04:12,789
bike at first, it'll be 100 by sat on campus when we start

1374
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:16,980
school, and the basket itself is going to have a UNT brand

1375
01:04:16,980 --> 01:04:18,000
on it.

1376
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,909
Where do we go. We're hoping by the end of September 1 of

1377
01:04:22,909 --> 01:04:28,139
October, we actually get the UNT branded bikes green, black

1378
01:04:28,139 --> 01:04:33,349
hardware, white embossing of our UNT logo, and we're hoping

1379
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:38,000
that somewhere right around the first of October.

1380
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,320
We'll gather data throughout that time period come back to

1381
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,559
you and have a discussion with what we've learned, who's

1382
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:47,670
commuting where they're commuting where the bikes are

1383
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:51,000
ending up at night where we need to bring them back.

1384
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,429
And then the question is how many more bikes do we need to

1385
01:04:54,429 --> 01:04:57,780
serve a capacity of that group, and does it need to be a

1386
01:04:57,780 --> 01:05:00,989
different type of bike do we need E assist I, we will

1387
01:05:00,989 --> 01:05:04,559
probably go ahead and move within the first month with the

1388
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:06,000
ADA bikes.

1389
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,400
We've got to get understand what that is and what that

1390
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,000
needs to take place.

1391
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,050
Anyway, we felt like it was the right thing for us to do

1392
01:05:15,050 --> 01:05:19,190
and and and Mr Nelson and Mr pre temp they have done great

1393
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:23,329
things is as far as helping us understand and to have the

1394
01:05:23,329 --> 01:05:27,760
integration of this into the city and working to benefit

1395
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,000
the university itself.

1396
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,969
But again, we're just we as a, even in our rules and

1397
01:05:33,969 --> 01:05:39,000
regulations today, a scooter to us as a motorized vehicle.

1398
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,889
It has to be parked as a motorized vehicle, if it is just

1399
01:05:42,889 --> 01:05:46,530
parked by a tree or beside a building, it becomes an

1400
01:05:46,530 --> 01:05:49,000
abandoned motorized vehicle.

1401
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,210
So, you know, it's some things that we're going to have to

1402
01:05:52,210 --> 01:05:55,309
have that discussion but our intent right now is to stick

1403
01:05:55,309 --> 01:05:58,530
with the bicycles because of safety concerns will look at E

1404
01:05:58,530 --> 01:06:01,829
assist to help others people commute, but using those same

1405
01:06:01,829 --> 01:06:03,000
type of bikes.

1406
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,840
But I welcome any questions that you may have about what's

1407
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,000
taking place.

1408
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,110
The main thing we wanted you to know is where we need to go

1409
01:06:12,110 --> 01:06:16,420
back to that interagency agreement and take out any vendor

1410
01:06:16,420 --> 01:06:20,139
specific names and just and we the university have

1411
01:06:20,139 --> 01:06:24,150
completed our application for the permit to be able to

1412
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:29,000
operate this as we had said before that has been completed

1413
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:29,000
I believe

1414
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,590
two weeks ago we finished that up and got that turned in,

1415
01:06:32,590 --> 01:06:35,710
or it is in the process of being turned in right now

1416
01:06:35,710 --> 01:06:39,760
through our purchasing group. But anyway, I open open to

1417
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,000
any questions.

1418
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,000
Councilmember breaks.

1419
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,000
The presentation.

1420
01:06:47,000 --> 01:07:02,940
That was quick that the bikes moved moved out and on to

1421
01:07:02,940 --> 01:07:07,000
scooters. And so we have a whole nother thing to talk about

1422
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:07,000
. You said something in your presentation just then that

1423
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:07,000
kind of caught my attention that you are less 1200 parking

1424
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:07,000
spaces now.

1425
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,630
That is great from from when I walked in. And they said

1426
01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:14,420
okay transportation is yours and said well I welcome that

1427
01:07:14,420 --> 01:07:17,440
opportunity. But the first thing that was said was, oh, by

1428
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,000
the way, you're losing 1200 space.

1429
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,480
Because of buildings that are being constructed. And so you

1430
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,449
have two parking garages on campus that is correct is that

1431
01:07:25,449 --> 01:07:29,030
after those, you still are lacking the 1200 spaces that you

1432
01:07:29,030 --> 01:07:30,000
used to have.

1433
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,699
That is correct. So two years ago we took enough parking

1434
01:07:33,699 --> 01:07:38,360
spaces 1200 parking spaces and began construction. The new

1435
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,559
College of Visual Arts building was part of that. And then

1436
01:07:41,559 --> 01:07:45,349
we have a new resident hall and a new greeting center that

1437
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:48,000
took out another 450 spaces that we had there.

1438
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:52,659
And so, in your comment you said parking is getting further

1439
01:07:52,659 --> 01:07:56,610
and further away which means on to city streets and

1440
01:07:56,610 --> 01:08:01,119
probably in more to residential areas. We, we are currently

1441
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:04,010
building a new lot, it will be ready when the semester

1442
01:08:04,010 --> 01:08:07,000
begins and went and took a look at it before I came here.

1443
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:11,000
It will be 550 spaces.

1444
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:15,500
With that, we believe and we did well at the end of last

1445
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:20,000
year we were never caught at a time where we did not have

1446
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,899
spaces, but getting people to the right spaces meant that

1447
01:08:24,899 --> 01:08:29,000
we turned to our freshman and said you're new.

1448
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,239
So you get to go across the university and park over by Apo

1449
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:37,760
gee Stadium, because we had a lot of spaces there but nobody

1450
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,000
wanted to use them. Once we did that.

1451
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:49,420
We were able to have enough and Fouts Field to accommodate

1452
01:08:49,420 --> 01:08:57,270
and so we never saw a time last year where we did not have

1453
01:08:57,270 --> 01:09:03,000
spaces and that was kind of new to us.

1454
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:14,119
We have another 1200 spaces. And so, we, we feel fine about

1455
01:09:14,119 --> 01:09:16,060
what's taking place right now, but yes to answer your

1456
01:09:16,060 --> 01:09:18,159
question, but we are we are hoping not to be pushing thing

1457
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:20,199
to more city streets we want to engage make sure we've got

1458
01:09:20,199 --> 01:09:22,000
enough spaces for those who want to

1459
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,000
park on campus have that opportunity.

1460
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,310
I assume then since you mentioned that freshman parking at

1461
01:09:30,310 --> 01:09:34,420
Apogee that would be a great place for the bikes to be that

1462
01:09:34,420 --> 01:09:36,000
it's pretty far.

1463
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,310
And I just want to confirm that we have a safe path for

1464
01:09:39,310 --> 01:09:43,000
those bikes to get from Apogee across to the I know there's

1465
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,000
a new the new bridge and that's designed.

1466
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:51,229
So, and then there's the walking bridge but as well so just

1467
01:09:51,229 --> 01:09:56,140
to confirm that it is safe for the students to get across

1468
01:09:56,140 --> 01:10:01,029
from over there on a bike to the campus, and we, we, in

1469
01:10:01,029 --> 01:10:06,000
that we greatly picked up the bus routes going to DC ta.

1470
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,439
That was parking over there, but students just made the

1471
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,930
decision, I want to get to campus and they were walking at

1472
01:10:12,930 --> 01:10:16,590
the time, and they were using the actual pedestrian bridge

1473
01:10:16,590 --> 01:10:20,079
going across and that's what we're hoping will also be the

1474
01:10:20,079 --> 01:10:22,000
use of the bikes as well.

1475
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,789
They have clear path to the pedestrian bridge from that

1476
01:10:25,789 --> 01:10:27,000
parking area.

1477
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,649
We will quarantine is not the right word but I might have

1478
01:10:30,649 --> 01:10:34,239
lost of it we will bring bikes together each night to be

1479
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:38,100
corralled is a better word, so that students can start out

1480
01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:41,000
from that point and make their way over.

1481
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,180
And then, by this method what was happening before is they

1482
01:10:44,180 --> 01:10:47,289
were bringing their bike over and it's like, oh you know I

1483
01:10:47,289 --> 01:10:50,000
got to go to another building and it got left.

1484
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,069
Because the tire was flat, and it never moved. And so what

1485
01:10:53,069 --> 01:10:55,960
we're hoping is with this, they're able to come over and

1486
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,810
they stop at the library mall and you know what they make

1487
01:10:58,810 --> 01:11:02,000
their way to Wooten and then back out to the CVAD building

1488
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,000
and it's like oh here's another bike.

1489
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,210
I can make my way back. If not, then we're going to have a

1490
01:11:07,210 --> 01:11:10,800
with this company and they know it and we will also have

1491
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,680
people on nighttime crew to go pick up bikes, but they have

1492
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,079
got to get back to greet those morning commutes each

1493
01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:19,000
morning.

1494
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,069
Okay, Mr. Chair, if I may thank you answer one of the

1495
01:11:22,069 --> 01:11:25,000
questions that Councilmember Briggs raised.

1496
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,520
You may recall, actually another interlocal agreement

1497
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,970
partnership with the University of North Texas with the

1498
01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:35,439
aesthetics on North Texas Boulevard, that particular

1499
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:39,079
project widen one of the one of the sidewalks there to 15

1500
01:11:39,079 --> 01:11:43,229
feet and then was able to get the other one to seven feet

1501
01:11:43,229 --> 01:11:44,000
wide so they're, they're

1502
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:48,869
there at North Texas Boulevard it's a it's a wider, wider

1503
01:11:48,869 --> 01:11:53,390
pedestrian and bike use path at that location and part of

1504
01:11:53,390 --> 01:11:58,000
partnership with the University of North Texas and text up.

1505
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:02,000
It's also well patrolled 20 mile an hour zone.

1506
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,220
And we just we just completed a new sidewalk that runs down

1507
01:12:05,220 --> 01:12:08,300
there to the parking area by apogee victory area to make

1508
01:12:08,300 --> 01:12:11,380
its way up to North Texas Boulevard so that we don't have

1509
01:12:11,380 --> 01:12:14,680
the people in the middle of the street any longer, that has

1510
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,000
been taken care of as well.

1511
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:23,010
So we feel comfortable about what we're doing, but we know

1512
01:12:23,010 --> 01:12:28,289
we need to be in the transportation business not the

1513
01:12:28,289 --> 01:12:33,000
parking business. And we're learning. This was once one

1514
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:33,000
instance we took one step forward and two back, but we feel

1515
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:33,000
like we recover quickly.

1516
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,170
You know we'll meet the needs of our students, but it also

1517
01:12:36,170 --> 01:12:39,310
means our students are going to have to be more informed.

1518
01:12:39,310 --> 01:12:42,569
Why is there about what's taking place. This company will

1519
01:12:42,569 --> 01:12:45,539
have an app it'll be able to go in and say okay where's the

1520
01:12:45,539 --> 01:12:47,000
closest bike to me.

1521
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:59,069
And we'll have information regarding myself as a writer, my

1522
01:12:59,069 --> 01:13:07,069
usage, where I get on where I get off. And, and overall as

1523
01:13:07,069 --> 01:13:07,279
a part of that, but we as university, at least for this

1524
01:13:07,279 --> 01:13:07,489
first year will be picking up the cost of this using

1525
01:13:07,489 --> 01:13:07,699
transportation fee dollars to try to help with this, this

1526
01:13:07,699 --> 01:13:08,000
growing transportation

1527
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:12,000
need at the university.

1528
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,619
I just have, you know, a couple of questions just out of

1529
01:13:15,619 --> 01:13:19,579
curiosity, in your opinion, is it possible that spin knows

1530
01:13:19,579 --> 01:13:23,000
something that VO just hasn't figured out yet.

1531
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:28,000
I believe that VO.

1532
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:33,479
These, these groups right now there's there's, there's a,

1533
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:38,300
as they put it to me there's a loophole in the legalities

1534
01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:42,539
of what a scooter is and where it can go. I don't know if y

1535
01:13:42,539 --> 01:13:44,640
'all saw on the news five just recently, they were talking

1536
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,000
about it and this young man they

1537
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:51,079
interviewed him he said well I don't know where I'm

1538
01:13:51,079 --> 01:13:56,729
supposed to ride this I can't ride it on the sidewalks and

1539
01:13:56,729 --> 01:14:02,000
I'm not supposed to ride it in the streets and so. But

1540
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:02,000
there's a loophole of what is motorized vehicle, and there

1541
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:02,000
were running into the same behavior that we saw with

1542
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,640
motorized bikes oh just let's just go dry, drop these scoot

1543
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:09,380
ers out there and let people start getting on those. And now

1544
01:14:09,380 --> 01:14:12,979
you see different organizations different cities coming

1545
01:14:12,979 --> 01:14:16,250
back said oh by the way, you're not going to ride these

1546
01:14:16,250 --> 01:14:19,000
through the trails of Dallas you're

1547
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:23,109
not going to be riding these through the different places

1548
01:14:23,109 --> 01:14:27,500
that we have parks and recreation. Ourself you're not going

1549
01:14:27,500 --> 01:14:31,670
to ride these on the sidewalks that are associated with the

1550
01:14:31,670 --> 01:14:33,000
university. I didn't actually mean to take off into the

1551
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:33,000
scooter part I just thought like

1552
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,220
they seem to figure it out that the, that the bike part isn

1553
01:14:36,220 --> 01:14:39,430
't, you know, may not be a workable model as I recall they

1554
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:42,960
were operating on 14 campuses around the country and they

1555
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,000
're backing out of all that.

1556
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,550
They're backing out of the other organizations they just

1557
01:14:47,550 --> 01:14:50,130
were not going to start with us they said they're, they're

1558
01:14:50,130 --> 01:14:52,479
focused was going to be in that area. I mean the way you

1559
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,000
know it sort of doesn't matter in terms of our deal with

1560
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,000
that's your business.

1561
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,380
The only other piece that sort of relevant to us that have

1562
01:14:59,380 --> 01:15:02,000
been addressed this I recall last time.

1563
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,210
Part of the model included the ability for non students to

1564
01:15:06,210 --> 01:15:10,640
use the bikes. Is that still part of it, you know, is there

1565
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,930
a mechanism for that with with video, we have we have asked

1566
01:15:14,930 --> 01:15:19,640
that this this group also apply for the permitting with the

1567
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:20,000
city as well

1568
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,920
so that if there is a person who wishes to commute off

1569
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,460
campus, or if somebody individually wants to use this bike

1570
01:15:28,460 --> 01:15:32,000
they would be able to use this bike as well.

1571
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:39,000
We're ready to provide direction.

1572
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:54,039
I'm listening. Just, just to recap, Mr. Chair. Again we

1573
01:15:54,039 --> 01:15:54,439
have ordinance 18 ordinance 18 dash 903 which is an inter

1574
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:54,739
local agreement between the University of North Texas and

1575
01:15:54,739 --> 01:15:55,000
the city of Denton.

1576
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,270
What we're looking to do, or what we're requesting as a

1577
01:15:58,270 --> 01:16:01,630
staff for the committee to do is make a recommendation to

1578
01:16:01,630 --> 01:16:05,199
counsel to remove any reference to spin, and then allow the

1579
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:09,000
University of North Texas to work directly with the city of

1580
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,000
Denton staff on management of the

1581
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,800
University of North Texas bike share program and so we work

1582
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:20,000
through our both legal councils to move that forward.

1583
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:30,350
Thank you. Councilmember Briggs, make a motion to amend

1584
01:16:30,350 --> 01:16:32,010
this interlocal agreement between the city of Denton and

1585
01:16:32,010 --> 01:16:33,600
University North Texas removing spin and sending it to

1586
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:34,000
counsel for approval.

1587
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:38,409
If we need a motion to provide direction but I'll second it

1588
01:16:38,409 --> 01:16:39,000
if we do.

1589
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,000
Discussion.

1590
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,000
All in favor.

1591
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,670
There's your direction. Seems like a consent agenda item to

1592
01:16:46,670 --> 01:16:47,000
me.

1593
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,000
Very well. Thank you. Thank you.

1594
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,000
Thank you.

1595
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:58,000
Right, should we go back then to to item D.

1596
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,000
No objection.

1597
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,300
MC 18 dash 30 receiver report and hold the discussion on

1598
01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:05,850
the status of the loop 288 project and make a

1599
01:17:05,850 --> 01:17:09,029
recommendation to Denton City Council recommending project

1600
01:17:09,029 --> 01:17:12,000
sequencing of loop 288 project components.

1601
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:16,109
So, good afternoon mark Nelson, director of transportation

1602
01:17:16,109 --> 01:17:19,680
here with the city of Denton going to hit this very fairly

1603
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,609
quickly and then with with our transportation consultant,

1604
01:17:23,609 --> 01:17:27,149
john pollster can can also add to it but long and short we

1605
01:17:27,149 --> 01:17:30,000
are at a point now with the schematic design on

1606
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:37,590
with loop 288 that we're at a point where we need to

1607
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:43,520
communicate with text dot as to whether or how we sequence

1608
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:44,000
the project.

1609
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,560
In other words, this particular project. It's a $40 million

1610
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,720
project, and it's securing the right of way. In other words

1611
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:57,520
, the corridor as to where loop 288 West loop 288 will go,

1612
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:02,000
and then it will construct the, it will construct a phased

1613
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:07,640
approach, it will be a frontage roads for one, either north

1614
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,000
bound or southbound.

1615
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,390
And then once additional funding comes at a later date, the

1616
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:15,770
full width so the main lanes would be constructed, and then

1617
01:18:15,770 --> 01:18:19,090
the other frontage road would be constructed at that point

1618
01:18:19,090 --> 01:18:20,000
in time.

1619
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:24,609
And so what we're looking to do at this point in time is

1620
01:18:24,609 --> 01:18:29,850
advance a recommendation to text on for for that particular

1621
01:18:29,850 --> 01:18:34,979
frontage road and what staff is recommending is advancing

1622
01:18:34,979 --> 01:18:40,279
the northbound frontage road, as it's on the inside, and

1623
01:18:40,279 --> 01:18:44,000
provide development opportunity associated with the

1624
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,670
airport. We've got a, we've got the route up here this is a

1625
01:18:47,670 --> 01:18:50,979
little bit older because this actually came out of our

1626
01:18:50,979 --> 01:18:55,510
airport master plan, which was approved in 2015. It shows

1627
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:58,989
where the corridor actually goes along, or the alignment

1628
01:18:58,989 --> 01:19:03,000
goes along here on the south end along 2449

1629
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,810
and we've actually had to push that out a little bit here

1630
01:19:06,810 --> 01:19:10,880
to avoid some conflicts with a power line, and one of these

1631
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,979
couple of these gas wells here and here. So that actually

1632
01:19:14,979 --> 01:19:18,270
goes out a little bit further you got another document in

1633
01:19:18,270 --> 01:19:21,000
your backup that kind of that has

1634
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,170
a revised alignment, I wanted to provide this simply

1635
01:19:24,170 --> 01:19:27,649
because this is actually a document that's been approved by

1636
01:19:27,649 --> 01:19:31,010
Council showing that it is in our airport master plan it is

1637
01:19:31,010 --> 01:19:34,449
demonstrating the benefit to the airport, as well as some

1638
01:19:34,449 --> 01:19:37,000
of the other economic

1639
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,289
development opportunities on the west side of our, our

1640
01:19:40,289 --> 01:19:43,859
community to include the, the industrial area so Mr. Poul

1641
01:19:43,859 --> 01:19:47,149
ster if you've got anything else to add to that in terms of

1642
01:19:47,149 --> 01:19:50,369
timing sequencing or benefits, be happy to take those

1643
01:19:50,369 --> 01:19:52,000
comments at this point.

1644
01:19:52,000 --> 01:20:07,100
So the project is anticipated to be environmentally cleared

1645
01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:08,000
.

1646
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:20,409
The northbound frontage road cost is roughly about 40

1647
01:20:20,409 --> 01:20:23,460
million. And what that would do is the state would acquire

1648
01:20:23,460 --> 01:20:24,140
all the right away for the entire 350 400 feet width of the

1649
01:20:24,140 --> 01:20:24,720
controlled freeway, and then simply build the one frontage

1650
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,000
road and operate as a one way to lane road for a period of

1651
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,880
time, which would allow the city then to develop their

1652
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,850
infrastructure inside the loop to tie into the frontage

1653
01:20:35,850 --> 01:20:39,979
road at its permanent location we build a northbound front

1654
01:20:39,979 --> 01:20:43,000
age road and it's permanent location.

1655
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:47,409
And then, more importantly, we have great separations in

1656
01:20:47,409 --> 01:20:51,470
areas so that we have a continuous flow for the main lanes

1657
01:20:51,470 --> 01:20:55,659
at the railroad track not only will the, the main lanes go

1658
01:20:55,659 --> 01:21:01,270
over the railroad track, so will the frontage roads, so the

1659
01:21:01,270 --> 01:21:02,000
frontage and the main lanes

1660
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:06,409
will come up on a bridge structure that will over overpass

1661
01:21:06,409 --> 01:21:10,340
the railroad so at no time we have a loss of continuous

1662
01:21:10,340 --> 01:21:13,000
frontage road connectivity.

1663
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,960
One of the things we have to tweak going forward is the

1664
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:19,000
direct connect up at Luke 288 and 35.

1665
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,850
The main lanes of Luke 288 and the 35 project designed

1666
01:21:22,850 --> 01:21:26,270
across but the frontage roads, stop and make a U turn it's

1667
01:21:26,270 --> 01:21:29,359
like they come up to a river, and they just turn back

1668
01:21:29,359 --> 01:21:33,000
around so we're, we're arguing with the state that those

1669
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,000
frontage roads need to continue across to the

1670
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,000
existing loop.

1671
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,479
And we'll make that change in this schematic versus the 35

1672
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,670
project which will go over in a minute on the other project

1673
01:21:43,670 --> 01:21:44,000
.

1674
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,800
And then the other thing changes like Mark was saying with

1675
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,000
major tweaks on the south end.

1676
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:54,050
The access point to the loop and 35 W is not a jug handle

1677
01:21:54,050 --> 01:21:58,039
anymore it'll be a direct connect similar to what you see

1678
01:21:58,039 --> 01:22:01,689
on the northern segment but it'll only be the direct

1679
01:22:01,689 --> 01:22:04,000
connects on the loop side.

1680
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,819
It'll be a standard diamond box with the frontage roads and

1681
01:22:07,819 --> 01:22:11,260
vintage comes up to a stop sign signal at the frontage

1682
01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:15,020
roads, because in order to do the direct connects on that

1683
01:22:15,020 --> 01:22:19,000
side we'd have to get into that neighborhood and vintage

1684
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,000
really wasn't designed to be the loop.

1685
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:25,000
Right, so we're kind of precluding that movement.

1686
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,020
So those only major issues is we're great separating

1687
01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:31,550
completely the railroad, plus some other cross streets, we

1688
01:22:31,550 --> 01:22:34,810
're doing a direct connect on the loop side at the south and

1689
01:22:34,810 --> 01:22:38,000
a full direct connect at 288 to the north.

1690
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:42,909
Plus we're going to push for frontage roads crossing the

1691
01:22:42,909 --> 01:22:44,000
interstate.

1692
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:48,409
The vintage road that you just mentioned in this committee,

1693
01:22:48,409 --> 01:22:52,319
look at that and make a future decision and that what you

1694
01:22:52,319 --> 01:22:56,609
're talking about here we are applying that decision to that

1695
01:22:56,609 --> 01:23:00,739
schematic so we're not doing anything on the vintage side

1696
01:23:00,739 --> 01:23:04,000
for the direct connects all we're doing is on the 288

1697
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:17,000
loop side so that it doesn't impact the neighborhood. Okay,

1698
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:17,000
thank you.

1699
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:24,350
I know that the service roads on this were in the call 2020

1700
01:23:24,350 --> 01:23:29,930
or 2045 plan is, is their plan for both to try and fund

1701
01:23:29,930 --> 01:23:31,000
both sides.

1702
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:37,649
So that mobility 2045 is financially constrained 25 year

1703
01:23:37,649 --> 01:23:44,970
program, the remaining 210 or 212 million is outside the 10

1704
01:23:44,970 --> 01:23:50,380
year plan that is financially constrained that they dealt

1705
01:23:50,380 --> 01:23:52,000
with last Thursday RTC.

1706
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,000
So we got the frontage roads funded.

1707
01:23:55,000 --> 01:24:01,000
But the reality is once you acquire the right away.

1708
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,000
Once we get environmentally cleared next year.

1709
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,000
You have said this a lot at this committee.

1710
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,899
Funding is never the problem, regulatory processes the

1711
01:24:09,899 --> 01:24:13,199
problem so once we get past the environmental clearance. We

1712
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:18,149
were pushed to reignite this project a couple years ago by

1713
01:24:18,149 --> 01:24:22,000
text that so they want this, this facility.

1714
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,800
And I'll tell you that all to your motive is at some point

1715
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:29,939
they want university to be y'all's, and they take the truck

1716
01:24:29,939 --> 01:24:32,000
routes around the loop.

1717
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,170
Future plans, you can say no but that's their ulterior

1718
01:24:35,170 --> 01:24:37,000
motive for building the loop.

1719
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:41,109
Mr. Pulsar real quick, you spoke to regular regulatory, and

1720
01:24:41,109 --> 01:24:44,939
can you give a 90 second on financially constrained for

1721
01:24:44,939 --> 01:24:49,000
those that are unaware of that or maybe watching from home.

1722
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:53,779
So, the federal government requires you to develop a plan

1723
01:24:53,779 --> 01:24:59,000
for your region over 2022 year 25 year period.

1724
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:03,659
And you have to constrain it to what the projected revenue

1725
01:25:03,659 --> 01:25:05,000
streams are.

1726
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,770
And you know what the first 10 years are because there's a

1727
01:25:07,770 --> 01:25:10,590
10 year highway plan that the state puts together that's

1728
01:25:10,590 --> 01:25:12,000
actual got funding in it.

1729
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,539
And then you make certain assumptions about the last 15

1730
01:25:15,539 --> 01:25:18,850
years, and the feds have to look at your assumptions and

1731
01:25:18,850 --> 01:25:22,000
say yeah, those assumptions don't seem crazy.

1732
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:26,449
They seem reasonable and that dollar amount equals up to $

1733
01:25:26,449 --> 01:25:28,000
15 billion.

1734
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,800
And so then the region puts together through the RTC

1735
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:39,399
mobility plan for that 25 years called the 2045 mobility

1736
01:25:39,399 --> 01:25:44,270
plan they just adopted in June has a list of projects

1737
01:25:44,270 --> 01:25:47,000
transit freeway toll roads.

1738
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:51,460
And they fund it, they put out your cost to it and that

1739
01:25:51,460 --> 01:25:56,369
total plan has to meet that financial assumption that the

1740
01:25:56,369 --> 01:25:58,000
feds approved.

1741
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,930
Now, we have about another $50 billion worth of need during

1742
01:26:01,930 --> 01:26:06,000
that 25 year period that's not financially constrained.

1743
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:10,180
So in the 10 year plan, the loops got funding for the front

1744
01:26:10,180 --> 01:26:14,000
age road, but not the main lanes.

1745
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,069
But every year they add on a new year, right, and have a

1746
01:26:17,069 --> 01:26:18,000
carryover.

1747
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:23,000
And so by the time we need it, we'll get it.

1748
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,649
I'm not sure if that answered your question. I think that

1749
01:26:26,649 --> 01:26:28,000
helps.

1750
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,399
You're asking us to recommend project sequencing. So are

1751
01:26:31,399 --> 01:26:33,000
there alternatives.

1752
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,960
To put a fine point on it, the state and the county who's

1753
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:41,479
actually paying for the engineering, they're ambivalent as

1754
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,000
to what part we do first right.

1755
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,609
The state wants to do what's best for the city of Denton,

1756
01:26:47,609 --> 01:26:51,239
because the city has most of the dogs in the hunt here with

1757
01:26:51,239 --> 01:26:53,000
their development.

1758
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,880
So the state's going, we're only going to build one front

1759
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,079
age road city. What do you want to do? And my recommendation

1760
01:26:59,079 --> 01:27:02,220
, I think the staff's recommendation would be the northbound

1761
01:27:02,220 --> 01:27:05,000
furniture because it's in the interior.

1762
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,180
Right, which means that all connections you make for the

1763
01:27:08,180 --> 01:27:11,000
airport, the new power plant facility, etc.

1764
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,170
Would tie into the frontage road in its future state. So

1765
01:27:14,170 --> 01:27:17,609
there's no throw away for any of the cross streets that you

1766
01:27:17,609 --> 01:27:19,000
bring to that road.

1767
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:23,109
And that way you can go ahead and set your your thorough

1768
01:27:23,109 --> 01:27:27,329
fare plan improvements consistent with a road that will be

1769
01:27:27,329 --> 01:27:30,000
there when the projects completed.

1770
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,550
Ultimately, so to answer your question. Yes, there are

1771
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:35,930
options. The option one as outlined in the backup material

1772
01:27:35,930 --> 01:27:39,649
is the northbound frontage, which is a staff recommendation

1773
01:27:39,649 --> 01:27:40,000
.

1774
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:44,979
Southbound frontage is option two, which is obviously an

1775
01:27:44,979 --> 01:27:46,000
option.

1776
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,029
Again, with the northbound frontage, it's a little bit

1777
01:27:49,029 --> 01:27:51,000
closer in ties us to the airport.

1778
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:55,170
We feel that that's a little bit more beneficial to our

1779
01:27:55,170 --> 01:27:56,000
needs.

1780
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:59,170
And then certainly is take no action at this point in time

1781
01:27:59,170 --> 01:28:02,449
and as Mr. Bolster indicated the county and the state can

1782
01:28:02,449 --> 01:28:05,600
move, move forward and advance how they wish because is

1783
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,000
their project at this point in time.

1784
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,770
They're not a major stakeholder. They're they're seeking

1785
01:28:10,770 --> 01:28:13,390
our input at this point in time, but it's good to work with

1786
01:28:13,390 --> 01:28:16,069
our with our partners if we have the opportunity to provide

1787
01:28:16,069 --> 01:28:19,000
a recommendation and desire on our end.

1788
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,000
That's member breaks.

1789
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:25,989
I'd like to hear from our engineer, Mr. S. If that's

1790
01:28:25,989 --> 01:28:27,000
possible.

1791
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:33,000
And what you would recommend.

1792
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:38,000
I know our streets will tie in.

1793
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,000
Excuse me, I'm sorry.

1794
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,779
Yeah, I prefer from the engineering standpoint, our

1795
01:28:42,779 --> 01:28:45,609
preference would be the northbound frontage roads, it

1796
01:28:45,609 --> 01:28:48,220
physically locks in that interior boundary so when

1797
01:28:48,220 --> 01:28:51,239
development comes in, which is where we're seeing the lion

1798
01:28:51,239 --> 01:28:57,000
's share of the development west of I 35 filling in between

1799
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,000
this area right now.

1800
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,310
And as you start moving past that that is a longer term,

1801
01:29:01,310 --> 01:29:04,710
but it also starts to lock into the discussion on the main

1802
01:29:04,710 --> 01:29:08,100
lanes, where those exit ramps go for the main lanes down

1803
01:29:08,100 --> 01:29:09,000
the road.

1804
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:12,170
When we start nailing down all of those components, the

1805
01:29:12,170 --> 01:29:15,180
frontage road on the northbound side which would be the

1806
01:29:15,180 --> 01:29:18,000
intern interior side would be the best for us.

1807
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,949
It also goes into the master thoroughfare plan as we start

1808
01:29:20,949 --> 01:29:23,000
to nail down all those connections.

1809
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,859
Okay, so, so getting this taken care of now is probably the

1810
01:29:26,859 --> 01:29:29,699
best option. We feel that it would be yes ma'am. Okay,

1811
01:29:29,699 --> 01:29:31,000
thank you.

1812
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,399
Because the reason is is that once we get past

1813
01:29:33,399 --> 01:29:36,729
environmental clearance, you know, early next year, the

1814
01:29:36,729 --> 01:29:39,649
state and the county is moving right into the design of

1815
01:29:39,649 --> 01:29:42,000
that frontage road so we need to know.

1816
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,699
They need to know what it is to design and that's why now

1817
01:29:45,699 --> 01:29:48,000
is is a good time to tell them.

1818
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:54,750
Yeah, okay. Sorry if I'm a little slow absorbing all this

1819
01:29:54,750 --> 01:29:57,090
so it's, you know, only the frontage road going to be built

1820
01:29:57,090 --> 01:29:59,250
at some point you know or say, first, and then the main

1821
01:29:59,250 --> 01:30:02,000
roads come back very similar.

1822
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:06,000
Have you seen spur 170 coming up by 35 w.

1823
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:11,460
So they built the frontage roads first, so that at some

1824
01:30:11,460 --> 01:30:16,699
point in the future they could put the main lanes in in

1825
01:30:16,699 --> 01:30:18,739
between. When construction goes on you've got the frontage

1826
01:30:18,739 --> 01:30:19,630
roads are established on like 35 right now we're moving

1827
01:30:19,630 --> 01:30:22,000
everybody all over the place.

1828
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,590
They built main lanes first and the front of the road later

1829
01:30:24,590 --> 01:30:27,140
and then you got to expand all that to make it work. You

1830
01:30:27,140 --> 01:30:29,500
put the frontage roads in, but used to driving the frontage

1831
01:30:29,500 --> 01:30:32,140
roads and then when they do construction on the main lanes,

1832
01:30:32,140 --> 01:30:34,000
1015 years out from now.

1833
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,609
Then they're ready to go in with minimum of impact to the

1834
01:30:38,609 --> 01:30:40,000
actual traffic.

1835
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,229
I want to make sure I heard that right construction of the

1836
01:30:42,229 --> 01:30:45,720
main lanes 10 to 15 years out. If it's that far I mean Mr

1837
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,000
pollsters that is very true.

1838
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,000
All right, it's as you pass environmental.

1839
01:30:51,000 --> 01:31:03,140
Then as the plan moves out of the funding that's in, I am

1840
01:31:03,140 --> 01:31:08,000
listening to this.

1841
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:14,930
I'm not fearful about this and don't see the urgency for it

1842
01:31:14,930 --> 01:31:22,000
and so I kind of want to set proper expectation for them.

1843
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:22,000
So, so, for now they're just going to see, assuming we go

1844
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:22,000
forward with this recommendation.

1845
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,819
Yeah, that they're just they're going to see a frontage

1846
01:31:24,819 --> 01:31:27,720
road be built, they're going to drive on it for a while and

1847
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,829
it'll be some time before the rest. Right. And I think part

1848
01:31:30,829 --> 01:31:33,550
of what's going to happen with the neighborhood, the

1849
01:31:33,550 --> 01:31:37,000
vintage neighborhood in particular, Mr poster I alluded to

1850
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:38,000
this earlier.

1851
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,829
What you see on the connection, all the way over on this

1852
01:31:41,829 --> 01:31:45,810
other side down here. That's not what they're actually

1853
01:31:45,810 --> 01:31:49,739
going to build it's going to look very similar to what you

1854
01:31:49,739 --> 01:31:52,000
see on the north side here. And the reason for that is if

1855
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:52,000
you're coming off that highway.

1856
01:31:52,000 --> 01:32:09,000
And the only direction you get to go is back to the west.

1857
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:15,430
And I think that for the short term, for the net over the

1858
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:22,550
next five to 10 years all we're going to have is a frontage

1859
01:32:22,550 --> 01:32:25,000
road that really.

1860
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:29,310
Farm to market road 2449, and then start to curve and come

1861
01:32:29,310 --> 01:32:33,229
back up with just the frontage road. So, that's all you're

1862
01:32:33,229 --> 01:32:37,239
going to have. So, there's no real appreciable difference

1863
01:32:37,239 --> 01:32:38,000
here.

1864
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:41,880
But what will happen is, as development starts to really

1865
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:45,409
accelerate in this area to the, and I know it's on the

1866
01:32:45,409 --> 01:32:49,180
south side of the plan view, but to the west of I 35 is

1867
01:32:49,180 --> 01:32:53,210
traffic now has multiple alternatives that gets them off of

1868
01:32:53,210 --> 01:32:56,000
35 and looking for other routes that's already clogging

1869
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:00,039
this area down in, in the body break connection. Some of

1870
01:33:00,039 --> 01:33:04,000
the areas that you will see backups on the highway that are

1871
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:08,539
occurring here as razor ranch continues to develop. They'll

1872
01:33:08,539 --> 01:33:12,329
have alternative routes as people leave Peter built during

1873
01:33:12,329 --> 01:33:14,000
shift changes, some of the other industrial

1874
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,689
complexes that are over in this area, they'll have

1875
01:33:16,689 --> 01:33:19,899
alternative routes. It will also relieve some of the truck

1876
01:33:19,899 --> 01:33:22,920
traffic that you see that is currently going in and out now

1877
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:26,119
it's just going to accelerate as this development continues

1878
01:33:26,119 --> 01:33:27,000
to occur.

1879
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:30,000
And that's the message to the neighborhood.

1880
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,000
The growth is coming. It's coming to vintage road.

1881
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,949
We're, well we're doing our best to try to do to not

1882
01:33:35,949 --> 01:33:38,939
encourage their travel to vintage by getting them

1883
01:33:38,939 --> 01:33:42,479
alternative routes that are much more open and available to

1884
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:46,020
that type of traffic, get them to the interstate where they

1885
01:33:46,020 --> 01:33:48,000
really need to be.

1886
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:52,000
So, for direction.

1887
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:57,229
I have a question regarding the, because you look in the,

1888
01:33:57,229 --> 01:34:01,840
that's going to go through many many properties and

1889
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:06,670
property owners and sellers and are they aware of this

1890
01:34:06,670 --> 01:34:11,000
future plan currently that this is coming.

1891
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:15,640
We've had multiple public meetings on this alignment this

1892
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:21,000
has been tweaked and retreat for the last 10 or 12 years.

1893
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,649
We've had lots of public meetings, but as part of the

1894
01:34:23,649 --> 01:34:26,489
public hearing process, which you have to have an order

1895
01:34:26,489 --> 01:34:29,420
environmental clear all of what's called your effective

1896
01:34:29,420 --> 01:34:32,359
property owners will be notified and brought to the public

1897
01:34:32,359 --> 01:34:36,000
hearing and then provided with property owners,

1898
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:40,210
Bill of Rights, entire process they have to follow so they

1899
01:34:40,210 --> 01:34:44,420
have been brought along, but there will be far more formal

1900
01:34:44,420 --> 01:34:48,310
and more thorough as we get through the environmental

1901
01:34:48,310 --> 01:34:52,000
clearance process it because it requires it.

1902
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:53,000
Okay, thank you.

1903
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,989
Is it is it hearing in the sense that the outcome isn't

1904
01:34:56,989 --> 01:35:00,000
determined or it's really telling.

1905
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,000
So this is recorded right.

1906
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:03,000
Yeah.

1907
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:04,000
Yes, sir.

1908
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,170
The public meeting is when they're there to hear what you

1909
01:35:07,170 --> 01:35:08,000
have to say.

1910
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,819
A public hearing is for when they're here to tell you what

1911
01:35:10,819 --> 01:35:12,000
they're going to do.

1912
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,000
It's a telling not a hearing.

1913
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:14,000
Right.

1914
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:15,000
Yeah.

1915
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,000
All right.

1916
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:22,000
So, direction is northbound.

1917
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,000
I can have your direction.

1918
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:28,000
It's north.

1919
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:29,000
Right.

1920
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:36,380
Let's move on to item F then MC 1827 receiver report, hold

1921
01:35:36,380 --> 01:35:39,600
the discussion and provide direction regarding Texas

1922
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,890
Department of Transportation on system projects in the

1923
01:35:42,890 --> 01:35:46,000
detonator to include the 35 Express project.

1924
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:55,000
Mr. Chair, john Pulsar ITS will present this item.

1925
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:58,770
So Mark said I got to move quickly on this depending on how

1926
01:35:58,770 --> 01:36:02,699
much time I have we're going to go through about $180

1927
01:36:02,699 --> 01:36:06,000
million of project review in about a minute.

1928
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,000
So you got questions.

1929
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,000
I talked fast.

1930
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,000
Was $10 million a slide.

1931
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,000
Or no.

1932
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:20,000
It's just shy $2 billion was on this list.

1933
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:25,789
And I'm not very technically savvy. So you got to stop and

1934
01:36:25,789 --> 01:36:28,149
talk, ask me questions. So what you have on these reports

1935
01:36:28,149 --> 01:36:30,369
some of these is the first time you're seeing these, the

1936
01:36:30,369 --> 01:36:32,260
top part of the report shows the schedule and the

1937
01:36:32,260 --> 01:36:36,149
milestones the primary milestones Fonzie means finding a no

1938
01:36:36,149 --> 01:36:39,000
significant impact or environmental clearance.

1939
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:42,430
So you have your date, then you have the next milestones in

1940
01:36:42,430 --> 01:36:45,729
order is your right away acquisition complete date your

1941
01:36:45,729 --> 01:36:49,159
utility relocation complete date, then your let date and

1942
01:36:49,159 --> 01:36:53,000
your construction complete date, if you think you know it.

1943
01:36:53,000 --> 01:37:01,000
So for example this project 2181 was cleared in 2008.

1944
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,470
I'm sorry I'll just remember better if you tell me what Fon

1945
01:37:03,470 --> 01:37:06,000
zie stands for what finding of no significant impact.

1946
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,869
Forward on we change that to environmental clearance, so

1947
01:37:09,869 --> 01:37:13,710
you can make that more clear. So we had this thing cleared

1948
01:37:13,710 --> 01:37:18,090
in 2008. It wasn't until 2017 that we were able to let the

1949
01:37:18,090 --> 01:37:21,340
project in the whole time this project was being cleared in

1950
01:37:21,340 --> 01:37:24,000
the right away acquired this project was

1951
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:40,000
fully 100% funded. So even though you've got the money.

1952
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,600
We're still in the regulatory process, not knowing where

1953
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:47,239
the funding is coming from. Because if we wait till we have

1954
01:37:47,239 --> 01:37:50,899
the money. We still got years of regulatory legwork to get

1955
01:37:50,899 --> 01:37:54,000
through in order to get a project completed.

1956
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:58,159
So extension of the 2181 project to the south. It comes up

1957
01:37:58,159 --> 01:38:01,800
around guard, and it goes up and ties into Lillian Miller,

1958
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:05,880
and then 2181 itself veers off and becomes easily, but it

1959
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:09,159
ties directly into Lillian Miller, which ties into a

1960
01:38:09,159 --> 01:38:11,000
project we're working on 35 right now at

1961
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:15,319
28. So where's project was let by was awarded by MCM

1962
01:38:15,319 --> 01:38:19,470
contractors, and we are in the process of doing a lot of

1963
01:38:19,470 --> 01:38:23,979
the grading, a lot of the city's utilities, there was some

1964
01:38:23,979 --> 01:38:28,229
utilities that need to be relocated for the city, this

1965
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:29,000
contractor put it in their

1966
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:33,000
contract, and is part of the tech stock project. When the

1967
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:36,609
project goes under construction we provide you with a

1968
01:38:36,609 --> 01:38:40,739
project report. It gives you the project limits, who's the

1969
01:38:40,739 --> 01:38:44,380
person that's in charge of that for the tech stock, and we

1970
01:38:44,380 --> 01:38:46,000
give you his phone numbers

1971
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:50,739
and this is a public document so any Joe can call poor

1972
01:38:50,739 --> 01:38:55,460
angel and yell at him whenever y'all, he messes up a

1973
01:38:55,460 --> 01:38:59,510
sidewalk in front of your library. And then the contractors

1974
01:38:59,510 --> 01:39:00,670
phone number. When it started when it's supposed to be

1975
01:39:00,670 --> 01:39:03,000
completed, and then we give you current activity

1976
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:07,300
which is what's going on. And then we come down and we talk

1977
01:39:07,300 --> 01:39:11,710
about items that are currently controlling the project and

1978
01:39:11,710 --> 01:39:15,949
other items of significance and typically that's the two

1979
01:39:15,949 --> 01:39:17,850
places. You will look at traffic issues items controlling

1980
01:39:17,850 --> 01:39:20,000
project completion and other significant items

1981
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:24,279
because the narrative tells you that they're grading,

1982
01:39:24,279 --> 01:39:28,369
putting in culverts or whatever but the trauma or lack

1983
01:39:28,369 --> 01:39:33,189
thereof is demonstrated on those three, those three bullets

1984
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:37,000
so right now 2181 is moving reasonably.

1985
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:40,000
According to plan, question from Councilmember breaks.

1986
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:43,050
I'm sorry, remind me if this is the one where DSP was

1987
01:39:43,050 --> 01:39:46,140
working with you guys on light location, or is that

1988
01:39:46,140 --> 01:39:50,000
something different. Okay, has that all been settled and

1989
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:55,000
far as I know we had a meeting in the trailer.

1990
01:39:55,000 --> 01:40:00,000
MCM trailer didn't mean the way that sounded.

1991
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,000
I don't know y'all.

1992
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:08,640
And so they agreed on how to do with both permanent and the

1993
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:11,000
temporary signals. Okay, to my view to elaborate.

1994
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:15,000
Yeah, I think the way we worked out is, I think, is he will

1995
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:18,939
be taking temporary signals on as part of their project,

1996
01:40:18,939 --> 01:40:22,399
and then the permanent will be put in under text out

1997
01:40:22,399 --> 01:40:23,000
project.

1998
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:26,000
They're all worked out. Okay location and everything.

1999
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:29,000
Everything. Thank you.

2000
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,000
So that's 2181.

2001
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:35,800
You're Fort Worth driver this is 377 basically from 35, all

2002
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:40,369
the way down to FM 1830, this project, the county started

2003
01:40:40,369 --> 01:40:45,039
in 1999 trying to get this project environmentally cleared

2004
01:40:45,039 --> 01:40:49,000
and we've worked nine years on one spot, and that was the

2005
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:50,000
great separation

2006
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:53,000
of Union Pacific Railroad.

2007
01:40:53,000 --> 01:41:02,000
Long story short, this project, let July 10, it was

2008
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:06,880
$43 million and some change, which was a little bit over

2009
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:11,479
our estimate and contractor name is SEMA construction got

2010
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:14,550
it. And this is what's called an A plus B bid because we

2011
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:19,000
felt like it was important for the contractor to be quality

2012
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:23,850
contractor number one, and two, to have be mindful of the

2013
01:41:23,850 --> 01:41:27,000
time so when we did the bid package.

2014
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:32,449
We assume that would take 632 working days, and we assume

2015
01:41:32,449 --> 01:41:37,000
the value of $15,000 a day to each day.

2016
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:41,500
And so what you were able to do is take the bid price of

2017
01:41:41,500 --> 01:41:46,210
the what the bid contractor bid plus the number of days

2018
01:41:46,210 --> 01:41:52,000
that they were proposing which was in this case it was 575.

2019
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:58,569
575 days is what they bid so you take the 575 days times 15

2020
01:41:58,569 --> 01:42:03,539
is a value, and then the bid price and you pick it based on

2021
01:42:03,539 --> 01:42:07,220
the time that they say plus the bid. And if you had

2022
01:42:07,220 --> 01:42:09,619
somebody that was close on the bid price, but 10 days

2023
01:42:09,619 --> 01:42:14,239
longer on the timeline, well then you could pick the one

2024
01:42:14,239 --> 01:42:18,000
that has the less time, because it's better value.

2025
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:21,180
And so what we're trying to do is get a contractor that

2026
01:42:21,180 --> 01:42:24,609
that would get in, get it done and get out. And with a

2027
01:42:24,609 --> 01:42:28,989
significant penalty so if they missed that 575 by 10 days

2028
01:42:28,989 --> 01:42:34,000
that's $150,000 that they are penalized for the project.

2029
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,000
So it's real money.

2030
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:41,409
So we plan on this is a project where it was basically a

2031
01:42:41,409 --> 01:42:46,199
railroad improvement in a driveway fixing project with a

2032
01:42:46,199 --> 01:42:51,000
little bit of roadway mixed in so because this was all just

2033
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:55,710
one continuously open drive area it's like no man's land

2034
01:42:55,710 --> 01:42:58,000
out there for access.

2035
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:04,510
And so the city worked really closely with the property

2036
01:43:04,510 --> 01:43:07,000
owners out there.

2037
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:11,739
So what our contractor is, we're going to have a pre

2038
01:43:11,739 --> 01:43:17,090
construction meeting established and once we get that pre

2039
01:43:17,090 --> 01:43:22,460
construction meeting set in a schedule, then the city the

2040
01:43:22,460 --> 01:43:27,729
county and text that's going to have a public meeting with

2041
01:43:27,729 --> 01:43:32,630
the residents the property owners effective property owners

2042
01:43:32,630 --> 01:43:33,000
and go out and say hey, here's what's about to happen and

2043
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:33,000
kind of inform them and get ahead of the holy crap factor.

2044
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:41,000
I'm sorry I apologize again it's a telling not a hearing.

2045
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:46,010
So, and then this is the utilities report on forward drive

2046
01:43:46,010 --> 01:43:47,000
as well.

2047
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:55,760
Where would we be able to see the drawings for that I'm

2048
01:43:55,760 --> 01:44:05,319
kind of interested in how Rosaline railroad track is all I

2049
01:44:05,319 --> 01:44:11,000
get that question all the time.

2050
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:14,560
The next project we're going to talk about is a future

2051
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:19,029
project it's a mayhill interchange at 35. Now this is

2052
01:44:19,029 --> 01:44:24,689
currently when when a GL, which was the contractor that did

2053
01:44:24,689 --> 01:44:30,460
35 came in, they took mayhill and they added capacity to

2054
01:44:30,460 --> 01:44:34,460
the top bridge of mayhill over 35 to the inside and the

2055
01:44:34,460 --> 01:44:35,000
outside

2056
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:38,319
of the bridge is scabbing on where they just add columns

2057
01:44:38,319 --> 01:44:41,750
and bridge deck and they just widen existing bridges out

2058
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:45,239
there so they will widen the old bridge for the additional

2059
01:44:45,239 --> 01:44:48,000
lanes of traffic to travel over 35.

2060
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:53,109
And then when we had the 35 the brinker 288 project, it

2061
01:44:53,109 --> 01:44:58,000
added the, the, the north southbound northbound U turn.

2062
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:01,489
We're going to tear all that out, and we're going to build

2063
01:45:01,489 --> 01:45:05,399
the ultimate construction where you'll have basically 12

2064
01:45:05,399 --> 01:45:08,840
lanes of traffic, you'll have to do laughs to go north or

2065
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:11,000
south on the frontage roads.

2066
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,020
You'll have three through in the Texas you turn in each

2067
01:45:14,020 --> 01:45:17,000
direction so we'll have 12 lanes of traffic.

2068
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:29,449
We decided that should. That should only be about 20

2069
01:45:29,449 --> 01:45:30,239
million bucks but what Texas decided to do is to stop doing

2070
01:45:30,239 --> 01:45:31,039
interim improvements and so they want to go ahead and do an

2071
01:45:31,039 --> 01:45:32,359
ultimate building of what's permanent for the future, so it

2072
01:45:32,359 --> 01:45:34,000
'll have enough bridge

2073
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,000
capacity for the future.

2074
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:39,850
The other thing that is supposed to come north, and which

2075
01:45:39,850 --> 01:45:43,529
means we'll buy all the right all we needed which is show

2076
01:45:43,529 --> 01:45:47,380
guns the ex on part of the James would parking lot, some of

2077
01:45:47,380 --> 01:45:51,310
the stuff on the northbound side where the restaurants are

2078
01:45:51,310 --> 01:45:53,000
and do a do the permanent

2079
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:57,739
roads and the bridge so it's a significant cost, it's, it's

2080
01:45:57,739 --> 01:46:02,760
fully funded. It's already environmentally clear because it

2081
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:08,000
was cleared when the original 35 the project was cleared.

2082
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:18,899
We have LTR on contract, and they are, they provided a

2083
01:46:18,899 --> 01:46:24,000
couple of schematics.

2084
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:28,239
And we're talking about having it literally ready to let

2085
01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:30,000
December next year.

2086
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:33,229
So it's it's fun it's from the restaurant property so those

2087
01:46:33,229 --> 01:46:36,460
restaurants are going. Oh no, they're just going to get

2088
01:46:36,460 --> 01:46:38,000
closer to him. I see.

2089
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:45,039
Yeah, we have a policy never to get rid restaurants or

2090
01:46:45,039 --> 01:46:47,000
liquor stores so

2091
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:50,239
customer breaks. I have a question because I know that we

2092
01:46:50,239 --> 01:46:53,600
are redoing mayhill and so you guys are coordinating with

2093
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:57,000
the city to make sure that all of our plans, all line up.

2094
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:02,449
They are okay. Thank you. And so what we're trying to do on

2095
01:47:02,449 --> 01:47:06,819
this job is get text that to extend their limits on mayhill

2096
01:47:06,819 --> 01:47:10,250
tie into 35 to pick up that that part that's the already

2097
01:47:10,250 --> 01:47:14,000
four lanes there that's kind of bad by the hospital.

2098
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:18,920
Yeah, so they can tie into what the city and the MPOs doing

2099
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:24,670
north of there, all the way to 380. So we're trying to work

2100
01:47:24,670 --> 01:47:29,710
, make sure everybody knows what the right hand is doing to

2101
01:47:29,710 --> 01:47:31,000
the left.

2102
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:34,699
So I pretty much just went over everything that's there now

2103
01:47:34,699 --> 01:47:35,000
.

2104
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:40,640
So you 35 he looked to a brinker project. This is 288 where

2105
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:44,640
you're seeing the redoing the bridge. You got the brinker

2106
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:46,659
where they're going to be putting in a new bridge. And then

2107
01:47:46,659 --> 01:47:48,539
down here mayhill is where they did the u turn which is now

2108
01:47:48,539 --> 01:47:50,000
open to traffic.

2109
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:53,829
The milestones on this project are that we are about to

2110
01:47:53,829 --> 01:47:57,840
have a no it doesn't look like it but by mid September, we

2111
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:02,500
'll have the northbound bridge structures for brinker and 28

2112
01:48:02,500 --> 01:48:06,489
8 completed will take the traffic and move them up onto

2113
01:48:06,489 --> 01:48:09,000
those new bridge lanes and then

2114
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:12,000
reconstruct the southbound lanes.

2115
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:18,119
The intent is to have the project substantially complete by

2116
01:48:18,119 --> 01:48:21,000
December 2018.

2117
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:23,739
What is the difference between complete substantial

2118
01:48:23,739 --> 01:48:26,840
complete substantial complete means that you can generally

2119
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:29,609
get around and move around the bridges will be open the

2120
01:48:29,609 --> 01:48:32,560
underpasses will be open, but the contractor will still be

2121
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:36,000
working on embankments striping signage signals

2122
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:39,420
stuff like that stuff they got to do to meet the

2123
01:48:39,420 --> 01:48:43,739
obligations of the contract but we're shooting for these

2124
01:48:43,739 --> 01:48:48,250
projects to be completed substantially in December of this

2125
01:48:48,250 --> 01:48:49,000
year.

2126
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:53,239
Dr. Nelson, just, just for the, for the committee just as

2127
01:48:53,239 --> 01:48:56,890
an update there. We've been working with text on the

2128
01:48:56,890 --> 01:49:00,869
contractor to realign the northbound frontage by the Hoot

2129
01:49:00,869 --> 01:49:04,949
ers restaurant and the brookshire grocery store there next

2130
01:49:04,949 --> 01:49:07,000
to Teasley I was advised this morning

2131
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:11,609
that that has been completed. And so that should provide a

2132
01:49:11,609 --> 01:49:16,140
little bit of additional capacity, because the way it had

2133
01:49:16,140 --> 01:49:20,670
been configured was the two lane frontage road south of the

2134
01:49:20,670 --> 01:49:25,100
bank and the Hooters restaurant was to lane, and then it

2135
01:49:25,100 --> 01:49:27,000
neck down to a single lane going into that

2136
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,949
intersection at Teasley so now it's to lane all the way

2137
01:49:29,949 --> 01:49:31,000
through there.

2138
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:33,000
Thank you.

2139
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:38,880
So this is the segment of 35 North from 380 up to the didn

2140
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:45,569
't gone county line. It's just shy $900 million. It's a six

2141
01:49:45,569 --> 01:49:49,470
lane divided urban. The project was, we thought we were

2142
01:49:49,470 --> 01:49:53,000
going to get the schematic approved last month.

2143
01:49:53,000 --> 01:50:00,069
We had a little bit of a hiccup on on the schematic when we

2144
01:50:00,069 --> 01:50:05,810
met with the feds last week. And there is near singer about

2145
01:50:05,810 --> 01:50:09,000
a 93 acre, historically significant farm.

2146
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:22,340
And the house is adjacent to where the future furniture

2147
01:50:22,340 --> 01:50:25,449
over be. And we know that we got very little chance of

2148
01:50:25,449 --> 01:50:25,949
beating that back so we're going to have to redo the

2149
01:50:25,949 --> 01:50:26,529
schematic to push the interstate further to the east to

2150
01:50:26,529 --> 01:50:29,000
totally avoid that area so we're, we got about

2151
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:33,810
six month hiccup in our schedule. That's not reflected on

2152
01:50:33,810 --> 01:50:36,000
the schedule right now.

2153
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:42,369
So, 35 W main lines okay so there's several things going on

2154
01:50:42,369 --> 01:50:50,050
with 35 W main lines with the 2045 mobility plan adopted 35

2155
01:50:50,050 --> 01:50:53,000
W was put back in the plan.

2156
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:56,180
You know it's only about a half a billion dollars but I

2157
01:50:56,180 --> 01:50:59,399
think it'll be a billion by the time we get done. It's

2158
01:50:59,399 --> 01:51:02,960
going to be a rural freeway. So what is a rural freeway, it

2159
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:06,199
's going to have friends drugs to lane two to three lane

2160
01:51:06,199 --> 01:51:08,000
friends drugs depending on whether

2161
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:11,609
you're on ramps or not, and six lanes of main lanes three

2162
01:51:11,609 --> 01:51:15,479
in each direction, but instead of having curb and gutter,

2163
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:19,029
you'll have open ditch between the frontage in the main

2164
01:51:19,029 --> 01:51:23,000
lanes in between the main lanes in the main lanes between

2165
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:25,000
the main lanes in the front and so it'll be similar

2166
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:33,130
to what 114 used to look like when you're going out west,

2167
01:51:33,130 --> 01:51:38,500
you know, or some parts of 35. As you go south to Austin

2168
01:51:38,500 --> 01:51:39,609
whatever where they have wide medians and there's a big

2169
01:51:39,609 --> 01:51:40,000
footprint.

2170
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:43,510
And the reason we did that was not because it's going to be

2171
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:46,670
urban a rural area it's because we believe that the

2172
01:51:46,670 --> 01:51:50,279
paradigm for managed lanes will shift at some point in the

2173
01:51:50,279 --> 01:51:53,729
future, because they're going to see that they work,

2174
01:51:53,729 --> 01:51:55,000
because they're working everywhere

2175
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:58,899
else in the region of the legislature pretty much killed

2176
01:51:58,899 --> 01:52:02,699
them on that so what we're doing is a rural cross section

2177
01:52:02,699 --> 01:52:06,319
so in the future, when we want to add the toll managed

2178
01:52:06,319 --> 01:52:10,000
lanes we have the right away footprint to do it.

2179
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:11,000
That's.

2180
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:16,000
It's a goose not again.

2181
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:23,359
So that's the project, and that's that's the ultimate

2182
01:52:23,359 --> 01:52:26,359
interim. They are doing frontage roads from 114 down the

2183
01:52:26,359 --> 01:52:27,000
Eagle Parkway now.

2184
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:30,800
The next phase is we're starting to PSA in about two months

2185
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:34,680
plan specifications and estimate is there's like a design

2186
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:39,510
document that the state requires from 24 from 1171 north to

2187
01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:44,000
2449 which is where Luke 288 comes and ties in.

2188
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:50,000
We'll be doing the frontage roads in that corridor as well.

2189
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:53,260
So, we're just kind of doing the fringe roads as

2190
01:52:53,260 --> 01:52:55,000
development occurs.

2191
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:58,199
And when the development requires it in the county and the

2192
01:52:58,199 --> 01:53:00,000
state comes in is the design.

2193
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:04,789
And we're environmentally clearing the whole thing and so

2194
01:53:04,789 --> 01:53:09,560
we can build whatever parts that we deem necessary so we're

2195
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:13,000
kind of just taking one bite at a time.

2196
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:14,000
Okay.

2197
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:16,000
This is the Briggs improvement.

2198
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:22,000
This project began

2199
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:25,449
this month, and it says that there should be done in August

2200
01:53:25,449 --> 01:53:28,899
they're doing the base work right now and essentially what

2201
01:53:28,899 --> 01:53:33,050
was happening is a lot of people were coming off of 288 to

2202
01:53:33,050 --> 01:53:35,000
go east on 380.

2203
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:38,789
And the right turn lane was only about 120 feet long, and a

2204
01:53:38,789 --> 01:53:41,869
lot of cars we get stuck all the way back with that blue

2205
01:53:41,869 --> 01:53:44,000
line is waiting to turn right.

2206
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:47,119
And so what we're doing is we're making improvements that

2207
01:53:47,119 --> 01:53:49,000
that part of the frontage road.

2208
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:52,840
So that essentially that whole area is the right turn lane.

2209
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:56,000
In order to go straight or left you have to move into

2210
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:59,470
additional lanes that we're going to be building to the

2211
01:53:59,470 --> 01:54:03,210
inside, so that the right lane traffic can get to 380

2212
01:54:03,210 --> 01:54:05,000
easier, then it should be done by.

2213
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:07,000
In the summer.

2214
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:10,479
Councilmember breaks. Thank you for this is going to be a

2215
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:14,000
lot less road rage here at this intersection.

2216
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:19,000
Other people are just you. Well, we don't need to go there.

2217
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:23,430
But from from the emails I get for old north, I get just as

2218
01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:27,609
many for this and it goes back further I mean, really

2219
01:54:27,609 --> 01:54:31,770
really far and it's not just that it backs up it's that

2220
01:54:31,770 --> 01:54:36,439
people try to scoot over, and I see people scrape people's

2221
01:54:36,439 --> 01:54:38,000
cars all the time so this is

2222
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:41,000
backup all the way on to 288.

2223
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:47,000
Sometimes. Yeah, so this is really great. Thank you.

2224
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:51,109
Okay, us 380 East. This is the project from where we were

2225
01:54:51,109 --> 01:54:55,060
just talking about 288 all the way up to the column didn't

2226
01:54:55,060 --> 01:54:58,779
candy line, it's got two colors because it's got two CSJs,

2227
01:54:58,779 --> 01:55:02,439
which is a basically a social security number for a project

2228
01:55:02,439 --> 01:55:06,000
control section job number.

2229
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:11,000
So, the section in green is basically

2230
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:14,779
has no a lot of don't have a lot of connections, you know

2231
01:55:14,779 --> 01:55:18,489
tie ins to the roadway because it goes over the over the

2232
01:55:18,489 --> 01:55:22,510
lake area. And so text that is designing this in house and

2233
01:55:22,510 --> 01:55:27,000
there's about 26 parcels of property to acquire there.

2234
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:32,829
The section in blue has about 86 parcels to acquire and

2235
01:55:32,829 --> 01:55:38,409
text that's hired to engineering firms which are listed

2236
01:55:38,409 --> 01:55:39,000
here.

2237
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:46,729
And then, white oaks engineers, and we've got their contact

2238
01:55:46,729 --> 01:55:49,319
right there. And this project is supposed to be

2239
01:55:49,319 --> 01:55:52,550
environmentally cleared to end of this month, which means I

2240
01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:55,649
'll be able to begin right away acquisition and the retweet

2241
01:55:55,649 --> 01:55:58,000
utility relocation, and we're

2242
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:09,000
looking at a May 2021.

2243
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:12,880
Let date. It's a little over $130 million now and it's

2244
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:14,000
fully funded.

2245
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:27,500
We're going to go and we'll have great separations which

2246
01:56:27,500 --> 01:56:31,890
are bridges at 720 423. Navel, which is where the Brazzable

2247
01:56:31,890 --> 01:56:32,710
high school is legacy and teal Parkway so like in this blue

2248
01:56:32,710 --> 01:56:33,439
section I'll act like kind of us what we call a super

2249
01:56:33,439 --> 01:56:34,000
street.

2250
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:39,079
There will be some signals that will be what signals just

2251
01:56:39,079 --> 01:56:44,920
near here near 377, but they'll be limited. And the intent

2252
01:56:44,920 --> 01:56:48,909
is to work with the communities to give dominance to the 33

2253
01:56:48,909 --> 01:56:53,329
80 corridor on those signals, where they do exist so that it

2254
01:56:53,329 --> 01:56:54,000
will encourage

2255
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:57,760
people to move and try to get to three at those great separ

2256
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:01,000
ations as opposed to at a stopped condition.

2257
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:07,729
We're looking at May 2021, let date, and it's fully funded

2258
01:57:07,729 --> 01:57:10,000
at $130 million.

2259
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:13,000
Luke 28 West we just went over that.

2260
01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:17,000
We can go over here if you want that much.

2261
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:21,000
Not at 180 million a minute right.

2262
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:38,000
1550 and all that improvement.

2263
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:42,609
I don't know why I knew but anyway, we, the LTA has been

2264
01:57:42,609 --> 01:57:48,380
picked up for construction. It's about 18 million bucks, we

2265
01:57:48,380 --> 01:57:51,000
just got them on contract.

2266
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:55,149
A couple months ago, and they are in the process of putting

2267
01:57:55,149 --> 01:57:59,380
together some, some alternatives and using crash data for

2268
01:57:59,380 --> 01:58:03,689
the intersection improvements and the main thing that we're

2269
01:58:03,689 --> 01:58:07,270
going to do is we got to get back with the city and the

2270
01:58:07,270 --> 01:58:08,000
city's the main stakeholder

2271
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:10,000
here.

2272
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:13,680
And I think text that's intent is once they build it they

2273
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:17,520
want you to take it over. So we met with your engineering

2274
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:21,279
staff, and we're bringing your engineering staff more

2275
01:58:21,279 --> 01:58:25,039
deeply into the process, so that they know what they're

2276
01:58:25,039 --> 01:58:26,000
getting.

2277
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:29,579
When they get it, and they get what they want when they get

2278
01:58:29,579 --> 01:58:33,399
it, because you've got an airport improvements here and you

2279
01:58:33,399 --> 01:58:37,010
ties into your body break project here, both of which are

2280
01:58:37,010 --> 01:58:40,000
large capital investments for the city.

2281
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:44,000
So what's the big structure right at the. This is 35.

2282
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:47,000
Right in the middle. Right here.

2283
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:50,000
Right in the middle of that picture.

2284
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:52,850
That's beautiful. Yeah, that's where all your industrial

2285
01:58:52,850 --> 01:58:55,310
development is and so part of the key to this isn't just

2286
01:58:55,310 --> 01:58:58,000
building six lanes right that's anybody can do that.

2287
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:01,779
You got to do it when each one of these guys has a separate

2288
01:59:01,779 --> 01:59:04,000
shift change. Right.

2289
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:08,319
And those shift changes will dramatically impact how the

2290
01:59:08,319 --> 01:59:12,819
contractor deals with it, and how we survive the project so

2291
01:59:12,819 --> 01:59:19,000
we want to have phasing down to an art on this one.

2292
01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:23,010
So, in 1930. This was a shoulder improvement project that

2293
01:59:23,010 --> 01:59:26,250
early on we got some questions from people want to know why

2294
01:59:26,250 --> 01:59:29,000
they were putting shoulders on this road.

2295
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:33,010
But text that decided they were going to do it they did it

2296
01:59:33,010 --> 01:59:37,130
and it should be completed sometime next month so it will

2297
01:59:37,130 --> 01:59:41,000
be able to take this project off it's kind of a minor

2298
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:43,000
issue now.

2299
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:46,000
And that's just telling you they're almost done.

2300
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:49,000
1173.

2301
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:52,000
This comes 35 out to crumb.

2302
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:56,739
Your thoroughfare plan requires, ultimately this to be kind

2303
01:59:56,739 --> 01:59:59,000
of realigned in this area.

2304
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:02,689
And so we're working with the city on that to, as we make

2305
02:00:02,689 --> 02:00:07,310
improvements to 1173 we need to do this project consistent

2306
02:00:07,310 --> 02:00:11,329
state does we're keeping on them, consistent with what the

2307
02:00:11,329 --> 02:00:14,000
city wants from their master thoroughfare plan

2308
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:18,409
and what the city staff is working on tweaking that right

2309
02:00:18,409 --> 02:00:19,000
now.

2310
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:26,000
And that should be that.

2311
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:30,000
I don't want to ask that.

2312
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:33,390
So what sort of direction are you looking for from nothing

2313
02:00:33,390 --> 02:00:36,000
I just give you an update every so often. Okay.

2314
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:39,380
Well thank you very much. I'm sure this will help me

2315
02:00:39,380 --> 02:00:43,279
respond to citizen inquiries about what's going on. Mr.

2316
02:00:43,279 --> 02:00:44,000
Chair.

2317
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:47,000
Mr. Chair, yes, one other item.

2318
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:50,000
After this is presented to the mobility committee, we

2319
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:53,119
typically then posted on our city council or our city didn

2320
02:00:53,119 --> 02:00:56,000
't website. And so then that's.

2321
02:00:56,000 --> 02:01:00,149
There's a link to that for for the citizens or anybody else

2322
02:01:00,149 --> 02:01:03,000
who wants to tie into that terrific.

2323
02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:07,140
That brings us to item G identify and discuss meeting times

2324
02:01:07,140 --> 02:01:11,000
and dates for future mobility committee meetings.

2325
02:01:11,000 --> 02:01:18,539
Dr. Nelson, did you have a proposal for how often and when

2326
02:01:18,539 --> 02:01:22,170
I do not have a proposal other than the fact that I propose

2327
02:01:22,170 --> 02:01:27,010
there's an opportunity to change the date or whatever,

2328
02:01:27,010 --> 02:01:30,000
whatever day you wish to, to, to meet on.

2329
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:33,770
I can tell you we've in the past over the past number of

2330
02:01:33,770 --> 02:01:36,000
years we've met on a Friday.

2331
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:39,000
We've met on a Tuesday.

2332
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:41,000
And we've met on Wednesdays.

2333
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:46,590
The Tuesdays, because of the way council has backed up and

2334
02:01:46,590 --> 02:01:50,000
the time spent here at City Hall.

2335
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:53,739
There was a desire to move away from. So we don't want to

2336
02:01:53,739 --> 02:01:56,000
start at 630.

2337
02:01:56,000 --> 02:02:00,000
I'm happy to start at 630.

2338
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:03,319
Just a little bit of background on that in terms of, you

2339
02:02:03,319 --> 02:02:06,810
know, some of the different days when when the committee

2340
02:02:06,810 --> 02:02:10,210
has met so really it's it's open for your discussion with

2341
02:02:10,210 --> 02:02:13,600
your colleagues as to what dates, or what day of the week

2342
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:18,000
may work better for you.

2343
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:22,739
So Ryan may may wish to have the, the date after, or the

2344
02:02:22,739 --> 02:02:28,020
meeting, the meeting after the RTC if there's opportunities

2345
02:02:28,020 --> 02:02:32,100
to provide an update on RTC activity that may be a

2346
02:02:32,100 --> 02:02:35,000
consideration that you get.

2347
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:37,699
Other than that, I'll, I'll stand down and take any

2348
02:02:37,699 --> 02:02:39,000
direction that you have.

2349
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:44,000
And just one question first, just how often do you meet.

2350
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:49,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2351
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:51,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2352
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:53,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2353
02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:55,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2354
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:57,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2355
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:59,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2356
02:02:59,000 --> 02:03:01,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2357
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:03,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2358
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:05,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2359
02:03:05,000 --> 02:03:07,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2360
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:09,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2361
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:11,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2362
02:03:11,000 --> 02:03:14,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2363
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:16,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2364
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:18,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2365
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:20,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2366
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:22,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2367
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:24,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2368
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:26,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2369
02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:28,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2370
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:30,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2371
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:32,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2372
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2373
02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:36,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2374
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:41,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2375
02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:43,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2376
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:45,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2377
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:47,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2378
02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:49,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2379
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:51,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2380
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:53,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2381
02:03:53,000 --> 02:03:55,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2382
02:03:55,000 --> 02:03:57,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2383
02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:59,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2384
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:01,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2385
02:04:01,000 --> 02:04:03,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2386
02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:06,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2387
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:08,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2388
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:10,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2389
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:12,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2390
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2391
02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:16,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2392
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:18,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2393
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2394
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:22,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2395
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:24,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2396
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:26,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2397
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:28,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2398
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:33,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2399
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:35,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2400
02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:37,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2401
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:39,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2402
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:41,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2403
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:43,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2404
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:45,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2405
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:47,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2406
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:49,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2407
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:51,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2408
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:53,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2409
02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:55,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2410
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:58,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2411
02:04:58,000 --> 02:05:00,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2412
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2413
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:04,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2414
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:06,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2415
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:08,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2416
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:10,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2417
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:12,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2418
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:14,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2419
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:16,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2420
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:18,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2421
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:20,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2422
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:25,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2423
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:27,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2424
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:29,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2425
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:31,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2426
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:33,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2427
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:35,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2428
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:37,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2429
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:39,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2430
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:41,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2431
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:43,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2432
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:45,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2433
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:47,000
I mean, it's not a lot of time for you to meet.

2434
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:51,239
Right, we can push those items towards the tail end of the

2435
02:05:51,239 --> 02:05:53,000
agenda whenever those conflicts arise.

2436
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:55,000
What do you think?

2437
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:57,000
Nine o'clock on a Tuesday?

2438
02:05:57,000 --> 02:05:59,000
Nine o'clock on a Tuesday?

2439
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:02,000
Let's see, we are in July right now.

2440
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:08,000
I will be fine for doing the third Wednesday next month,

2441
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:11,000
but in September is when I'll start running into issues.

2442
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:13,000
So depending on what Councilmember Briggs,

2443
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:17,000
if we want to wait and just repost for next month to have

2444
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:17,000
another discussion

2445
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:19,449
once she gets an opportunity to look at what her fall

2446
02:06:19,449 --> 02:06:21,000
calendar is going to be like.

2447
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,000
Are you okay for third Wednesday next month?

2448
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:24,000
Yes.

2449
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:25,000
Do you mind starting a little earlier?

2450
02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:27,840
Because frankly, I'm blowing off something that I usually

2451
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:29,000
do that starts at one.

2452
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:33,000
You know, could we start earlier than 1130?

2453
02:06:33,000 --> 02:06:35,000
Certainly.

2454
02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:38,000
1030?

2455
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:40,000
Is that all right on Wednesday?

2456
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:42,000
And then we'll give it another look.

2457
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:46,000
So for August we want the third Wednesday at 1030.

2458
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:49,689
And then we'll repost the agenda caption as we see it today

2459
02:06:49,689 --> 02:06:50,000
.

2460
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:51,000
Very well.

2461
02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:52,000
Great.

2462
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:53,000
All right.

2463
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:56,000
Moving on to item H, staff reports.

2464
02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:58,000
One scooter share.

2465
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:05,000
So this was a rising issue as the agenda was put together.

2466
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:07,619
It's continuing to -- the issue is continuing to matric

2467
02:07:07,619 --> 02:07:08,000
ulate.

2468
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:13,229
So what we did is put some information in the form of a

2469
02:07:13,229 --> 02:07:15,000
staff report.

2470
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:18,510
We do have Mark Oliphant here and Preetem who can kind of

2471
02:07:18,510 --> 02:07:23,000
walk through some issues associated with scooter share.

2472
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:25,699
I think we're prepared to talk about it at this point in

2473
02:07:25,699 --> 02:07:26,000
time.

2474
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:28,260
And, you know, certainly because it is on the agenda, you

2475
02:07:28,260 --> 02:07:30,000
could give us direction.

2476
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:35,920
But to take a look at how we might move forward with

2477
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:41,000
scooter share as a shared transportation alternative,

2478
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:46,890
whether it's either added to a revised ordinance addressing

2479
02:07:46,890 --> 02:07:48,000
bike share,

2480
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:54,590
or whether you may choose to push it -- obviously be pushed

2481
02:07:54,590 --> 02:08:01,060
to council for action in terms of not permitting scooter

2482
02:08:01,060 --> 02:08:03,000
share at all.

2483
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:08,289
I will tell you that the existing bike share ordinance will

2484
02:08:08,289 --> 02:08:10,000
need to be amended.

2485
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:14,109
We'll bring that back regardless one way or the other

2486
02:08:14,109 --> 02:08:17,000
because it terminates in September.

2487
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:21,510
And we want to sync that up with the University of North

2488
02:08:21,510 --> 02:08:27,000
Texas bike share program that terminates on May 31, 2019.

2489
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:30,939
And we did that so that University of North Texas could

2490
02:08:30,939 --> 02:08:34,560
pull the data from the fall and spring semesters and bring

2491
02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:36,000
forward a new policy.

2492
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:39,270
So with that, I'll turn it over to Mark Oliphant for any

2493
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:43,000
discussion and questions you may have on that particular --

2494
02:08:43,000 --> 02:08:50,739
>> So considering what we heard earlier in the definition

2495
02:08:50,739 --> 02:08:57,750
of motorized vehicle loophole and all of that coming sooner

2496
02:08:57,750 --> 02:08:58,000
,

2497
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:01,420
I feel and would like to recommend that we get this item to

2498
02:09:01,420 --> 02:09:04,000
council for discussion,

2499
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:07,210
for an open discussion on if what we want to do about the

2500
02:09:07,210 --> 02:09:11,000
scooters, whether amend or --

2501
02:09:11,000 --> 02:09:14,449
>> And I can tell you that we do -- we understood that

2502
02:09:14,449 --> 02:09:16,000
might be an option.

2503
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:17,000
I failed to mention that earlier.

2504
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:20,699
We have a tentative agenda item set for the August 7th

2505
02:09:20,699 --> 02:09:24,000
council agenda, if that's soon enough.

2506
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:27,260
I don't know that we potentially could put something on the

2507
02:09:27,260 --> 02:09:32,000
24th, but I think the 7th is more likely the better date.

2508
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:36,000
Preetam, do you and Mark have any issues with that?

2509
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:41,590
>> No. I think we're set to August 7th, and it would be a

2510
02:09:41,590 --> 02:09:43,000
work session item where we discuss alternatives

2511
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:46,750
and what other cities are doing and present recommendations

2512
02:09:46,750 --> 02:09:47,000
.

2513
02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:50,000
We're going to move forward.

2514
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:53,000
>> Is that okay with you guys?

2515
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:54,000
>> It's fine with me.

2516
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:56,680
It helped me to understand just because I'm new, kind of

2517
02:09:56,680 --> 02:09:58,000
your thought process.

2518
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:01,800
Why is it better to start a council than to start a

2519
02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:03,000
committee?

2520
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:06,560
>> Well, generally it's good to be in committee, but from

2521
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:12,000
what we heard earlier, and with our ordinance not

2522
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:15,000
specifically referencing scooters,

2523
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:17,550
we could see scooters on our streets in the next couple of

2524
02:10:17,550 --> 02:10:18,000
days.

2525
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:21,390
And so I'm trying to get ahead of the issue this time

2526
02:10:21,390 --> 02:10:25,000
instead of behind as we were last time with bikes.

2527
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:27,000
And it's just timing.

2528
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:29,000
That's --

2529
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:31,000
>> Any objection?

2530
02:10:31,000 --> 02:10:34,630
>> No, I think timing-wise, because since we're only

2531
02:10:34,630 --> 02:10:39,199
meeting once a month, unless we had a special call of the

2532
02:10:39,199 --> 02:10:41,000
subcommittee going to council,

2533
02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:45,000
it's probably going to be the faster route.

2534
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:48,939
>> Mr. Chair, while we have the mobility committee

2535
02:10:48,939 --> 02:10:57,210
assembled, is there any initial concerns, issues, items

2536
02:10:57,210 --> 02:11:00,000
that you would like staff to take a look at

2537
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:02,470
as part of the recommendation or part of the work session

2538
02:11:02,470 --> 02:11:06,000
item that we'll bring forward, if there's specific items?

2539
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:10,060
Certainly if you don't have them today, if you could email

2540
02:11:10,060 --> 02:11:13,979
them to Mark and pre-TEM, that way we can present a more

2541
02:11:13,979 --> 02:11:16,000
comprehensive approach.

2542
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:22,550
>> It's difficult for me to deal with the fact that I've

2543
02:11:22,550 --> 02:11:26,000
got pre-TEM and pro-TEM.

2544
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:31,000
>> You have to change one vial.

2545
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:33,000
>> You just had to do that, didn't you?

2546
02:11:33,000 --> 02:11:35,000
>> Yeah, I did.

2547
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:38,439
>> I guess my biggest question is if something has an

2548
02:11:38,439 --> 02:11:42,119
electric motor to it, does it fall under a vehicle

2549
02:11:42,119 --> 02:11:49,000
regulation of the state that's already existing?

2550
02:11:49,000 --> 02:11:51,000
>> Yeah, I think Trey's already looking at it.

2551
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:54,000
>> Trey's got that queued up.

2552
02:11:54,000 --> 02:11:57,170
>> Unfortunately for you, Trey Lansford, Deputy City

2553
02:11:57,170 --> 02:11:58,000
Attorney.

2554
02:11:58,000 --> 02:12:00,829
There is some state preemption here that we'll have to

2555
02:12:00,829 --> 02:12:04,000
consider, specifically in the transportation code.

2556
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:07,119
And again, we're talking in generality, so I can't give you

2557
02:12:07,119 --> 02:12:09,920
a specific as to whether it would apply to what may or may

2558
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:11,000
not be dropped.

2559
02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:16,359
But the transportation code in section 551, 351 gives a

2560
02:12:16,359 --> 02:12:20,000
definition of what a motor assisted scooter is.

2561
02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:23,170
And it talks about it being either gas or electric, but

2562
02:12:23,170 --> 02:12:26,000
having an engine size of being only up to so big.

2563
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:29,920
And so if the scooters that are being dropped meets that

2564
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:33,279
definition, we have certain things that we can do under the

2565
02:12:33,279 --> 02:12:36,000
state statutes and several things that we can't do.

2566
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:39,039
So it would really just depend on getting details as to

2567
02:12:39,039 --> 02:12:41,000
what may or may not be dropped.

2568
02:12:41,000 --> 02:12:43,979
And if it does fall within the definition of a motor

2569
02:12:43,979 --> 02:12:47,189
assisted scooter, which again could either be gas or

2570
02:12:47,189 --> 02:12:48,000
electric,

2571
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:51,539
we as a municipality have a right to restrict their usage

2572
02:12:51,539 --> 02:12:55,000
on streets if we decide it's in the public interest.

2573
02:12:55,000 --> 02:12:56,000
>> Okay.

2574
02:12:56,000 --> 02:13:00,050
>> And I would just say, based on some observation on what

2575
02:13:00,050 --> 02:13:03,000
some of the municipalities are facing,

2576
02:13:03,000 --> 02:13:06,810
and you may have already seen it on TV with newscasts or

2577
02:13:06,810 --> 02:13:08,000
what have you,

2578
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:12,970
is that the scooter share operators require you to wear a

2579
02:13:12,970 --> 02:13:14,000
helmet.

2580
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:17,000
Most of those folks do not have helmets on.

2581
02:13:17,000 --> 02:13:20,000
In fact, you'll see an interview in the background.

2582
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:23,000
You'll see folks riding by on the scooters.

2583
02:13:23,000 --> 02:13:26,489
Quite frankly, the helmets aren't there for rent, so that

2584
02:13:26,489 --> 02:13:30,000
would force you to carry around your own helmet.

2585
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:33,000
And I don't know that that many folks do that.

2586
02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:36,449
And so, and then back to what Trey had indicated, we've

2587
02:13:36,449 --> 02:13:40,000
seen, and I'm going to state the name of the city of Dallas

2588
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:40,000
,

2589
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:43,770
and I think it's a very interesting issue on the KD Trail

2590
02:13:43,770 --> 02:13:47,479
where they have prohibited the use of scooters on that

2591
02:13:47,479 --> 02:13:49,000
particular pathway.

2592
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:51,949
But how, you know, how and what is the mechanism for

2593
02:13:51,949 --> 02:13:53,000
enforcement?

2594
02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:56,350
So those are some issues that we're just seeing at first

2595
02:13:56,350 --> 02:13:57,000
blush.

2596
02:13:57,000 --> 02:14:00,300
I think Mark's starting to kind of pull that issue apart a

2597
02:14:00,300 --> 02:14:03,000
little bit and look at different options.

2598
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:05,170
>> I think generally the dimensions of safety, right, or

2599
02:14:05,170 --> 02:14:08,000
what we're going to end up talking about,

2600
02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:11,000
the, you know, not just enforcement.

2601
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:14,279
>> And not only that, but the deployment, the number of

2602
02:14:14,279 --> 02:14:18,000
vehicles that get deployed and how they're deployed,

2603
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:21,649
and then how they're rebalanced and where they're placed at

2604
02:14:21,649 --> 02:14:23,000
the end of the use.

2605
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:26,439
>> Is there history, you know, of any kind of lengthy

2606
02:14:26,439 --> 02:14:29,000
deployments that we can learn from?

2607
02:14:29,000 --> 02:14:32,810
>> No, this is all just hitting within the last six to

2608
02:14:32,810 --> 02:14:34,000
eight weeks.

2609
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:36,000
Mark, do you have some input on that?

2610
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:38,539
>> Locally, the last six to eight weeks, it's been about a

2611
02:14:38,539 --> 02:14:39,000
year.

2612
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:41,359
I think Santa Monica was the first city where they were

2613
02:14:41,359 --> 02:14:42,000
deployed.

2614
02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:45,939
A number of different things have been done, some parking

2615
02:14:45,939 --> 02:14:51,949
requirements that they either be in a corral almost painted

2616
02:14:51,949 --> 02:14:53,000
on the ground.

2617
02:14:53,000 --> 02:14:55,630
This is where you can leave the scooter or not, or some

2618
02:14:55,630 --> 02:14:59,279
cities just say keep it out of the main travel lane of a

2619
02:14:59,279 --> 02:15:00,000
sidewalk

2620
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:03,170
and you put it in the furniture zone of a sidewalk, which

2621
02:15:03,170 --> 02:15:06,350
is where you'd have your benches and trash cans, things

2622
02:15:06,350 --> 02:15:07,000
like that.

2623
02:15:07,000 --> 02:15:11,460
There's a variety of different ways that cities have dealt

2624
02:15:11,460 --> 02:15:14,000
with this, but it is very new.

2625
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:16,000
>> Councilmember Briggs.

2626
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:18,119
>> I was just going to say, you know, I think part of the

2627
02:15:18,119 --> 02:15:20,989
other issue too is, you know, certainly the legality of

2628
02:15:20,989 --> 02:15:22,000
them being on our streets,

2629
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:25,250
but more importantly is do you want them on our right of

2630
02:15:25,250 --> 02:15:27,000
way, in our right of way?

2631
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:30,000
I mean, we dealt with it with v-bikes, they just showed up,

2632
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:34,649
they established a number of bikes, 50 some odd bikes, 30

2633
02:15:34,649 --> 02:15:38,000
some odd bikes in our community without permission.

2634
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:40,850
And again, it's going back to what Dr. Clark mentioned,

2635
02:15:40,850 --> 02:15:44,590
that the mentality, the paradigm now is just ask for

2636
02:15:44,590 --> 02:15:46,000
forgiveness.

2637
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:48,000
They just show up, ask for forgiveness.

2638
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:52,289
And so it's part of the framework of the original ordinance

2639
02:15:52,289 --> 02:15:56,060
that we drafted for bike share was the good neighbor

2640
02:15:56,060 --> 02:15:59,449
program, that hey, be here, go through a process, seek a

2641
02:15:59,449 --> 02:16:00,000
permit,

2642
02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:02,939
or have it reviewed by engineering, make sure you're not

2643
02:16:02,939 --> 02:16:06,000
creating any obstructions because of issues that we have in

2644
02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:07,000
the sidewalk.

2645
02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:10,039
So it's not so much, certainly it is whether they're legal

2646
02:16:10,039 --> 02:16:13,880
on our streets, but more importantly, do we really want

2647
02:16:13,880 --> 02:16:17,000
them on city right of way?

2648
02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:20,489
It creates an issue, especially as Mark mentioned, the fact

2649
02:16:20,489 --> 02:16:24,149
that people don't wear, don't carry helmets around at their

2650
02:16:24,149 --> 02:16:25,000
disposal.

2651
02:16:25,000 --> 02:16:28,000
And so do we really want them on our city?

2652
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:30,500
If they want to work with area businesses, I don't know if

2653
02:16:30,500 --> 02:16:33,590
we have any purview over that, but we know in North Texas

2654
02:16:33,590 --> 02:16:35,000
doesn't want them.

2655
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:39,000
Do we want to do that or do we not?

2656
02:16:39,000 --> 02:16:41,000
Councilmember Braeks?

2657
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:44,379
I don't have anything specific. I just wanted to share a

2658
02:16:44,379 --> 02:16:48,000
couple of situations that I witnessed when I was in D.C.

2659
02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:53,000
with these, which one, made me aware that it was coming and

2660
02:16:53,000 --> 02:16:55,680
two, caused really great concern if it came here that didn

2661
02:16:55,680 --> 02:16:56,000
't.

2662
02:16:56,000 --> 02:17:00,270
So D.C. is rather, you know, there was a hill and I saw a

2663
02:17:00,270 --> 02:17:04,639
younger child, I say younger, but like 15, and he had a

2664
02:17:04,639 --> 02:17:08,950
skateboard, and I think I may have shared this before, and

2665
02:17:08,950 --> 02:17:13,159
put the skateboard on top of the scooter and stood on it,

2666
02:17:13,159 --> 02:17:17,000
no helmet, and just went straight down the hill.

2667
02:17:17,000 --> 02:17:21,739
And as a mother, how is that possible? I mean, if I knew,

2668
02:17:21,739 --> 02:17:25,950
but they had a phone and an app, and I'm sure that, you

2669
02:17:25,950 --> 02:17:31,000
know, I don't know if there's restrictions on age or what.

2670
02:17:31,000 --> 02:17:33,989
But so that was one scenario that I saw. I nearly had a

2671
02:17:33,989 --> 02:17:37,000
heart attack and almost ran up to him.

2672
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:40,979
The second one was that the scooters have tiny little kick

2673
02:17:40,979 --> 02:17:44,870
stands, and somebody had left one on a sidewalk and they

2674
02:17:44,870 --> 02:17:49,000
have street parking, and so there was a nice car there.

2675
02:17:49,000 --> 02:17:53,450
And so this couple just kind of walked by and the scooter

2676
02:17:53,450 --> 02:17:58,010
just kind of got knocked over and fell and scraped pretty

2677
02:17:58,010 --> 02:18:01,000
bad, and dent a door on this car.

2678
02:18:01,000 --> 02:18:03,620
And so I'm thinking, okay, so there's three different

2679
02:18:03,620 --> 02:18:06,250
things there, the people walking by, whoever left the

2680
02:18:06,250 --> 02:18:09,309
scooter, who knows, and then the car who's damaged, and I

2681
02:18:09,309 --> 02:18:13,420
thought, wait a minute, this is, and they're a little bit

2682
02:18:13,420 --> 02:18:16,000
more, they're smaller, but they're heavier.

2683
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:18,739
So, you know, anyway, so that's a situation that I

2684
02:18:18,739 --> 02:18:22,809
witnessed as well. And I don't really want either of those

2685
02:18:22,809 --> 02:18:26,770
to happen here in our city because they're both pretty

2686
02:18:26,770 --> 02:18:28,000
dangerous.

2687
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:31,280
I'll just chip in an initial reaction that, you know, you

2688
02:18:31,280 --> 02:18:34,629
've got, from a safety point of view, you've got the issues

2689
02:18:34,629 --> 02:18:37,979
of, you know, the risks to the riders, but they're taking

2690
02:18:37,979 --> 02:18:39,000
that risk.

2691
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:42,829
But from a point of view of our responsibility, I'm more

2692
02:18:42,829 --> 02:18:47,000
concerned about that, you have motorized vehicles sharing

2693
02:18:47,000 --> 02:18:49,000
space with pedestrians.

2694
02:18:49,000 --> 02:18:53,000
I think that's kind of scary. And you had a comment?

2695
02:18:53,000 --> 02:18:58,280
Yeah, I think my knee-jerk reaction is to, for the time

2696
02:18:58,280 --> 02:19:01,000
being, put a ban on them.

2697
02:19:01,000 --> 02:19:03,920
One of the things on, at least in DC, it's a very bike

2698
02:19:03,920 --> 02:19:07,600
oriented, they have a lot of bike share going on. So, a lot

2699
02:19:07,600 --> 02:19:11,180
of people carry a helmet with them, even if they don't have

2700
02:19:11,180 --> 02:19:13,000
their own bike they're riding.

2701
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:16,280
We don't have that kind of mentality in Denton, either you

2702
02:19:16,280 --> 02:19:19,379
own your own bike and have your helmet that you keep with

2703
02:19:19,379 --> 02:19:22,659
the bike or since we don't have the bike share program yet,

2704
02:19:22,659 --> 02:19:26,000
we haven't been able to get people into a learning curve.

2705
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:30,149
And when it comes to the safety aspect of it with that

2706
02:19:30,149 --> 02:19:34,270
helmet, I think most everybody, I won't say everybody, most

2707
02:19:34,270 --> 02:19:37,000
everybody learned how to ride a bike as a kid.

2708
02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:43,290
But not a scooter. There was an article in the Dallas paper

2709
02:19:43,290 --> 02:19:47,770
about a lady who went down on the railroad track, ended up

2710
02:19:47,770 --> 02:19:53,000
in the emergency room, but she didn't wear her helmet.

2711
02:19:53,000 --> 02:19:56,549
So she knew she couldn't, the whole article talks about who

2712
02:19:56,549 --> 02:20:00,000
was liable and she knew she couldn't see the bike company.

2713
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:04,239
And knew that she probably should have had a helmet. Well,

2714
02:20:04,239 --> 02:20:07,940
made me think of one, and I don't get off into tangents

2715
02:20:07,940 --> 02:20:10,000
very often but here I go.

2716
02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:12,600
When I got a chance, this is my one chance. When I got my

2717
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:16,000
first 10 speed, you know, because prior to that when you're

2718
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:19,809
, you're in your preteen she's got the bike that you backped

2719
02:20:19,809 --> 02:20:21,000
al for the break.

2720
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:26,049
Well, I didn't know front brake from back brake and I hit

2721
02:20:26,049 --> 02:20:31,000
the front brake and flew over into the post office.

2722
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:34,229
And I'm afraid of that learning curve with these scooters

2723
02:20:34,229 --> 02:20:37,329
until we until people get an opportunity to try them and

2724
02:20:37,329 --> 02:20:40,659
other neighboring communities let the other neighboring

2725
02:20:40,659 --> 02:20:43,780
communities be the test pilot first, or would you have to

2726
02:20:43,780 --> 02:20:47,000
have some kind of conscious public education

2727
02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:53,129
introduction of them. The app, the app actually requires

2728
02:20:53,129 --> 02:20:54,940
that they go through training on the app before they write

2729
02:20:54,940 --> 02:20:57,020
it but nobody's reading. Nobody's paying attention to what

2730
02:20:57,020 --> 02:20:58,559
it says because that's where it says you have to wear a

2731
02:20:58,559 --> 02:21:01,700
helmet you have to agree to all this stuff so they take

2732
02:21:01,700 --> 02:21:04,000
away all their liability.

2733
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:08,129
So, is there enough in this to give you a sense of how to

2734
02:21:08,129 --> 02:21:10,000
prepare for counselor.

2735
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:19,000
I'm screwed away right.

2736
02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:22,250
Staff report number two Irving transportation summit. So

2737
02:21:22,250 --> 02:21:28,000
this is a summit that is hosted by the city of Irving.

2738
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:32,780
We've partnered with various folks over the years and it's

2739
02:21:32,780 --> 02:21:37,379
typically a pretty good, pretty good summit in terms of

2740
02:21:37,379 --> 02:21:41,000
bringing forward stated the industry.

2741
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:44,000
The engine is not posted at this point in time.

2742
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:47,170
So unfortunately I can't, I can't provide that to you.

2743
02:21:47,170 --> 02:21:50,000
There is a link to it if you're interested in it.

2744
02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:53,440
The the rate at this point in time for government per

2745
02:21:53,440 --> 02:21:57,520
person is about $195 so if there's an interest in doing

2746
02:21:57,520 --> 02:22:01,040
that, typically we send a staff member or two to that

2747
02:22:01,040 --> 02:22:04,000
particular summit.

2748
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:15,120
I understand that Mary Pro Tem Ryan will be attending

2749
02:22:15,120 --> 02:22:20,000
obviously with RTC. There's a tie in there as well. So,

2750
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:20,000
yeah, I just wanted to bring that to your attention as an

2751
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:20,000
option if there's an interest in the committee and

2752
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:20,000
participate in that particular event.

2753
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:23,000
Are you recommending it.

2754
02:22:23,000 --> 02:22:25,950
I'm recommending it but again I haven't seen I haven't seen

2755
02:22:25,950 --> 02:22:28,000
the agenda so there's a caveat with that.

2756
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:30,000
Okay, thank you.

2757
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:34,239
Staff report h3 matrix, when I saw pre term to walk through

2758
02:22:34,239 --> 02:22:38,190
that I've got to head to an appointment here at two o'clock

2759
02:22:38,190 --> 02:22:41,909
, but I think he'll be able to push through this fairly

2760
02:22:41,909 --> 02:22:43,000
shortly.

2761
02:22:43,000 --> 02:22:54,920
Yeah, so, just to give you a little bit of history on this

2762
02:22:54,920 --> 02:23:04,000
one, since this is one of the first ones.

2763
02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:08,469
Questions that Council may have about different items. So

2764
02:23:08,469 --> 02:23:12,459
what we do is we typically put them down on a matrix and go

2765
02:23:12,459 --> 02:23:16,569
through to the next meeting and give an update of where we

2766
02:23:16,569 --> 02:23:20,430
're at, what we're, what steps were taken how we're

2767
02:23:20,430 --> 02:23:21,000
addressing this.

2768
02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:24,399
So there are some lingering items that are in here. If you

2769
02:23:24,399 --> 02:23:27,930
want to discuss some of that, we can go ahead and talk

2770
02:23:27,930 --> 02:23:29,000
about them.

2771
02:23:29,000 --> 02:23:33,450
If you have any new items that we can definitely add them

2772
02:23:33,450 --> 02:23:38,120
in here and work on getting some answers or work on getting

2773
02:23:38,120 --> 02:23:41,000
some timelines on those for you.

2774
02:23:41,000 --> 02:23:45,000
But, yeah, there have been older products in there.

2775
02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:50,000
I've got a couple of new, newer items.

2776
02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:53,860
One I think I've already brought up to you pre term is

2777
02:23:53,860 --> 02:23:58,969
about the, the no turn on read at 2499 and Robinson because

2778
02:23:58,969 --> 02:24:01,000
of that retaining wall.

2779
02:24:01,000 --> 02:24:05,000
Just seeing about getting that through traffic safety.

2780
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:10,500
I've had some, some people concerned and I've looked at the

2781
02:24:10,500 --> 02:24:15,780
area on Bernard between Acme and willow wood, maybe even

2782
02:24:15,780 --> 02:24:21,659
between Acme and the service road to investigate prohib

2783
02:24:21,659 --> 02:24:27,000
iting parking on the south side of Bernard.

2784
02:24:27,000 --> 02:24:30,969
Because once you when you get a car parked on both sides,

2785
02:24:30,969 --> 02:24:35,040
traffic doesn't pass well and that Acme to willow wood is a

2786
02:24:35,040 --> 02:24:38,000
pretty heavy heavily traveled area.

2787
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:43,020
And then another item is to the Friday city streets report

2788
02:24:43,020 --> 02:24:47,940
that's in our Friday report. If we can add that into the

2789
02:24:47,940 --> 02:24:52,959
agenda in case we want to discuss anything somebody's you

2790
02:24:52,959 --> 02:24:58,000
know can be very simple that it's one of these that we just

2791
02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:00,120
look at but if we wanted to bring up something on one of

2792
02:25:00,120 --> 02:25:03,659
those roads, an actual posted item if we can just take that

2793
02:25:03,659 --> 02:25:06,000
report that's in the Friday report and put it into this

2794
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:07,000
agenda.

2795
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:10,000
Okay.

2796
02:25:10,000 --> 02:25:14,000
That's one of the breaks.

2797
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:17,629
I do want to follow up on the last on the last one about

2798
02:25:17,629 --> 02:25:21,780
the downtown street rain what Wayne right, because I have

2799
02:25:21,780 --> 02:25:25,840
been on that street, a lot and when to cart when parks cars

2800
02:25:25,840 --> 02:25:28,000
are parked on both sides.

2801
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:32,739
It's almost impossible to get down there. I'm just

2802
02:25:32,739 --> 02:25:37,000
wondering if there's an update on that because

2803
02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:39,809
I just want to make sure we're looking at the same there

2804
02:25:39,809 --> 02:25:42,590
are a couple of segments of Wayne right one is already

2805
02:25:42,590 --> 02:25:44,000
posted as no parking.

2806
02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:48,000
So I just want to make sure it's the one that's right.

2807
02:25:48,000 --> 02:25:52,520
There's houses on one side, and then the apartment. Yeah,

2808
02:25:52,520 --> 02:25:55,000
is that been no parking posted.

2809
02:25:55,000 --> 02:25:59,110
So, the one on the north side of Prairie has been already

2810
02:25:59,110 --> 02:26:01,000
posted for no parking.

2811
02:26:01,000 --> 02:26:15,370
And then the one on south of Prairie, which hopefully I can

2812
02:26:15,370 --> 02:26:20,000
get there.

2813
02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:31,000
Okay.

2814
02:26:31,000 --> 02:26:38,329
So, a couple of things I think we have looked at this

2815
02:26:38,329 --> 02:26:48,000
particular segment of Wayne right.

2816
02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:53,309
Is that the one correct. Yes. Yeah, it's just that. Yeah,

2817
02:26:53,309 --> 02:26:56,000
right there. This one, the first block.

2818
02:26:56,000 --> 02:27:00,739
So, yes, we had looked at that, and we had some discussions

2819
02:27:00,739 --> 02:27:04,000
with some of the property owners here.

2820
02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:07,700
These, these folks that live here as well as we'd sent out

2821
02:27:07,700 --> 02:27:11,750
notices, or had a discussion with this apartment, and their

2822
02:27:11,750 --> 02:27:15,639
first reaction is they don't want any parking restricted on

2823
02:27:15,639 --> 02:27:17,000
either side.

2824
02:27:17,000 --> 02:27:20,270
So there's a little bit of pushback from the community

2825
02:27:20,270 --> 02:27:21,000
itself.

2826
02:27:21,000 --> 02:27:24,969
And while we're talking to solid waste as well as fire.

2827
02:27:24,969 --> 02:27:28,879
Their main concern was at these intersections turning

2828
02:27:28,879 --> 02:27:33,030
vehicles that are getting for solid waste, getting in and

2829
02:27:33,030 --> 02:27:36,920
out of these areas and then turning vehicles is the main

2830
02:27:36,920 --> 02:27:38,000
concern.

2831
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:44,000
So they do have some space that they can use in between.

2832
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:47,200
Moving forward with no restriction typically requires an

2833
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:50,440
agreement of most of the property owners, and there is some

2834
02:27:50,440 --> 02:27:53,680
resistance from the people that actually live on the street

2835
02:27:53,680 --> 02:27:54,000
.

2836
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:57,370
The other concern also is if we restrict parking here it's

2837
02:27:57,370 --> 02:28:01,309
just going to continue moving down here. So we're kind of

2838
02:28:01,309 --> 02:28:04,000
in a tight spot at this point.

2839
02:28:04,000 --> 02:28:07,409
So they're talking to fire and they don't necessarily

2840
02:28:07,409 --> 02:28:11,120
required this segment because they have access off of this

2841
02:28:11,120 --> 02:28:14,680
tree they have access here for this apartment so they're

2842
02:28:14,680 --> 02:28:17,700
kind of okay that this particular segment is not

2843
02:28:17,700 --> 02:28:23,000
necessarily has a 20 foot area for them

2844
02:28:23,000 --> 02:28:27,309
equipment because they have the furniture in front of this

2845
02:28:27,309 --> 02:28:31,420
building they have this area, as well as one court when I

2846
02:28:31,420 --> 02:28:35,799
talked to fire department, but we can revisit this item I,

2847
02:28:35,799 --> 02:28:39,829
I mean, we did receive some kind of resistance from the

2848
02:28:39,829 --> 02:28:41,000
residents there.

2849
02:28:41,000 --> 02:28:44,790
Right, well I was thinking that the site the house, the

2850
02:28:44,790 --> 02:28:48,520
side with the homes would still get parking from street

2851
02:28:48,520 --> 02:28:52,159
parking but on one side would would not be but so I guess

2852
02:28:52,159 --> 02:28:55,719
that house in the middle there if it caught fire it was

2853
02:28:55,719 --> 02:28:57,000
just out of luck.

2854
02:28:57,000 --> 02:29:02,040
I mean, it's basically what we're saying, I think typically

2855
02:29:02,040 --> 02:29:05,000
we were okay for 150 feet.

2856
02:29:05,000 --> 02:29:08,000
This is right about there.

2857
02:29:08,000 --> 02:29:11,000
But we can.

2858
02:29:11,000 --> 02:29:14,370
We can see if only this segment can be restricted if that's

2859
02:29:14,370 --> 02:29:17,719
your main concern getting to the middle. Well it's good to

2860
02:29:17,719 --> 02:29:20,370
know the apartments are, you know, pushing back I did I had

2861
02:29:20,370 --> 02:29:22,510
no idea what was going on with it but I did try to get

2862
02:29:22,510 --> 02:29:24,000
through there the other day

2863
02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:29,000
and it was pretty difficult. But I do have some new, new

2864
02:29:29,000 --> 02:29:30,000
ones.

2865
02:29:30,000 --> 02:29:35,930
On Fry Street, frying Hickory there is a bike rack, and

2866
02:29:35,930 --> 02:29:41,000
there are several broken bikes on that rack.

2867
02:29:41,000 --> 02:29:44,600
Is that the city's responsibility what do we do, what's the

2868
02:29:44,600 --> 02:29:47,850
process about cleaning that up so that new bikes can be

2869
02:29:47,850 --> 02:29:51,170
parked there, and it's not just taking up space I think

2870
02:29:51,170 --> 02:29:54,649
there was a bike without a wheel and some other broken they

2871
02:29:54,649 --> 02:29:57,000
've been there for a little,

2872
02:29:57,000 --> 02:30:00,000
a little while.

2873
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:03,979
And I know I have to listen to UNT I mean they have the

2874
02:30:03,979 --> 02:30:06,000
same kind of issue so.

2875
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:08,000
Where along here.

2876
02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:10,000
It is.

2877
02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:13,829
I'm guessing it Avenue A and Hickory right in that little

2878
02:30:13,829 --> 02:30:17,000
triangle right there there's a bike rack.

2879
02:30:17,000 --> 02:30:20,000
I'm guessing it.

2880
02:30:20,000 --> 02:30:23,690
I think it's a city right away and we can definitely look

2881
02:30:23,690 --> 02:30:27,309
at picking them up and that you know auction them off or

2882
02:30:27,309 --> 02:30:32,649
getting rid of them. So I'm just curious about the product

2883
02:30:32,649 --> 02:30:37,000
do you like put a tag on them like a car and say,

2884
02:30:37,000 --> 02:30:54,350
Yeah, so, so those look good. There's probably are some of

2885
02:30:54,350 --> 02:30:55,000
them that are still there that don't have tires.

2886
02:30:55,000 --> 02:30:58,120
I think what happens is the police tag them with a notice

2887
02:30:58,120 --> 02:31:01,069
that says please remove and given X amount of time two

2888
02:31:01,069 --> 02:31:04,299
weeks I think is typical. If they haven't been moved and

2889
02:31:04,299 --> 02:31:07,000
they come in cut the locks and pound them.

2890
02:31:07,000 --> 02:31:10,020
And the process from there there's more to it even I think

2891
02:31:10,020 --> 02:31:13,000
we have to put out a notice that this bike was seized if it

2892
02:31:13,000 --> 02:31:16,149
's yours come get it in 30 days and then finally they can

2893
02:31:16,149 --> 02:31:19,340
auction it but yeah clearing it out would be great because

2894
02:31:19,340 --> 02:31:20,000
it can't be used.

2895
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:23,750
Yeah, and there's not very, you know, many spots down there

2896
02:31:23,750 --> 02:31:27,139
. Anyway, and so if we have some that are opened up if we

2897
02:31:27,139 --> 02:31:31,000
could get the process started and just to see on that.

2898
02:31:31,000 --> 02:31:45,790
And next, Mr. Polster mentioned that text dot wanted us to

2899
02:31:45,790 --> 02:31:54,319
maintain our to get back a road. And what I would like to

2900
02:31:54,319 --> 02:31:55,110
know is there a list that text dot can provide us of roads

2901
02:31:55,110 --> 02:31:56,000
that they have that they wish the city to have.

2902
02:31:56,000 --> 02:32:00,520
There are a lot. And what, what that means. I mean because

2903
02:32:00,520 --> 02:32:04,610
I probably some of them would be really good for us to have

2904
02:32:04,610 --> 02:32:09,940
. And, you know, some not and getting the light here I think

2905
02:32:09,940 --> 02:32:14,000
you're being too feeble in your projection.

2906
02:32:14,000 --> 02:32:16,459
Well, I don't know maybe maybe that's not it. I am getting

2907
02:32:16,459 --> 02:32:22,030
the light. My mic is on. Okay. Okay, so the list of roads

2908
02:32:22,030 --> 02:32:24,000
that text dot has.

2909
02:32:24,000 --> 02:32:28,799
That they want us to have would be great for us to review

2910
02:32:28,799 --> 02:32:32,270
here or the process of, you know, I mean the only one I've

2911
02:32:32,270 --> 02:32:36,000
been through is McKinney and that seemed pretty detail.

2912
02:32:36,000 --> 02:32:38,920
So I know that we can't really do a presentation or

2913
02:32:38,920 --> 02:32:42,200
anything on it right now but that I think it would be good

2914
02:32:42,200 --> 02:32:45,000
information for us to know going forward.

2915
02:32:45,000 --> 02:32:48,840
We can definitely bring you a list of all the roadways that

2916
02:32:48,840 --> 02:32:52,680
we're starting out the conference because they just keep

2917
02:32:52,680 --> 02:32:55,180
kind of coming. So we're in the same boat we're trying to

2918
02:32:55,180 --> 02:32:57,000
figure out exactly what it is we're dealing with and we can

2919
02:32:57,000 --> 02:33:00,000
bring that at another at a future meeting.

2920
02:33:00,000 --> 02:33:04,000
Good for us to have. Thank you.

2921
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:07,000
I've got just a couple.

2922
02:33:07,000 --> 02:33:10,000
One.

2923
02:33:10,000 --> 02:33:14,500
I think you may have addressed me by email but I'll just

2924
02:33:14,500 --> 02:33:18,610
follow up the other there's concern on the part of

2925
02:33:18,610 --> 02:33:24,000
constituents in the willfully underrepresented district for

2926
02:33:24,000 --> 02:33:27,739
concern about the off ramp from that goes into DNA near

2927
02:33:27,739 --> 02:33:31,709
near near effigy stadium, the concern that it's too fast

2928
02:33:31,709 --> 02:33:35,620
and they're too short a distance for the speed of you know

2929
02:33:35,620 --> 02:33:39,440
what I'm talking about the speed of cars that are coming

2930
02:33:39,440 --> 02:33:45,000
off and, you know, is there some kind of a timeline that's

2931
02:33:45,000 --> 02:33:48,440
now been established for more final resolution than what

2932
02:33:48,440 --> 02:33:50,000
they have now.

2933
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:55,520
Okay. I think it's a tech stop issue there are a couple

2934
02:33:55,520 --> 02:33:58,000
major hurdles there.

2935
02:33:58,000 --> 02:34:07,260
We're going to have a union grade as the ramp comes up from

2936
02:34:07,260 --> 02:34:16,709
the freeway or the main lanes up into the roadway and we'll

2937
02:34:16,709 --> 02:34:21,120
visit it with text out. It was not designed for people to

2938
02:34:21,120 --> 02:34:21,329
cut across four lanes, let's take a look at that a little

2939
02:34:21,329 --> 02:34:21,540
bit more in depth because there are multiple facets that

2940
02:34:21,540 --> 02:34:21,750
are being explored by text on and city staff and you and te

2941
02:34:21,750 --> 02:34:23,000
al at the same time, including the off

2942
02:34:23,000 --> 02:34:26,969
ramp 35 going north. And there are several folks trying to

2943
02:34:26,969 --> 02:34:29,159
immediately take a right on that. See so there's a lot of

2944
02:34:29,159 --> 02:34:32,370
moving parts as text that works through this, we can bring

2945
02:34:32,370 --> 02:34:35,340
that back with an update and give you a better idea where

2946
02:34:35,340 --> 02:34:37,000
that sets that'd be great I appreciate that.

2947
02:34:37,000 --> 02:34:42,270
And secondly just you know, having this be the first time I

2948
02:34:42,270 --> 02:34:47,549
see this new business matrix seems you know I'm oddly named

2949
02:34:47,549 --> 02:34:53,000
matrix when you have items going back to 2016.

2950
02:34:53,000 --> 02:34:56,510
The, you know, the item that says part of the small area

2951
02:34:56,510 --> 02:34:59,899
plan considered as part of this small area plan is that

2952
02:34:59,899 --> 02:35:03,440
does that mean it's been addressed and it can come off the

2953
02:35:03,440 --> 02:35:06,940
list and, you know, can we, any of these resolvable or

2954
02:35:06,940 --> 02:35:08,000
resolved.

2955
02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:11,780
I think at some point, council members wanted continuous

2956
02:35:11,780 --> 02:35:15,379
feedback as to where we're at, for example that locus to

2957
02:35:15,379 --> 02:35:18,909
know turn back is a good example, we were in the process

2958
02:35:18,909 --> 02:35:22,520
and we're still in the process of working with text out to

2959
02:35:22,520 --> 02:35:24,000
get that back.

2960
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:29,000
And every now and then, counseling does want to get up.

2961
02:35:29,000 --> 02:35:32,889
So this list was quite a bit longer, just three or four

2962
02:35:32,889 --> 02:35:34,000
months ago.

2963
02:35:34,000 --> 02:35:38,000
So, and credit, given.

2964
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:40,340
Well some of what you see here is those are ongoing

2965
02:35:40,340 --> 02:35:43,000
requests that we're still getting to the goal line.

2966
02:35:43,000 --> 02:35:45,590
Either it's because the project was initiated and we're

2967
02:35:45,590 --> 02:35:48,290
working through those phases over wrapping up and closing

2968
02:35:48,290 --> 02:35:50,879
out those when they do get close that completely yes they

2969
02:35:50,879 --> 02:35:52,000
come off the list.

2970
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:55,000
Okay, that's great.

2971
02:35:55,000 --> 02:35:58,000
Anything else.

2972
02:35:58,000 --> 02:36:03,010
That's it right pretend items so I'm going to adjourn this

2973
02:36:03,010 --> 02:36:24,000
meeting at 102 and a half.