WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.219 Subcommittee meeting it's 11 33 and we have a quorum 00:00:05.219 --> 00:00:07.280 council member Briggs won't be here today 00:00:07.660 --> 00:00:09.660 So we'll start with item 1 00:00:10.339 --> 00:00:13.539 items for individual consideration item a consider approval 00:00:13.539 --> 00:00:16.250 of the mobility committee of the Denton City Council 00:00:16.250 --> 00:00:18.219 meeting minutes of March 21 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:20.000 2018 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:23.460 Madam chair move approval and I'll second all in favor. I 00:00:24.660 --> 00:00:26.579 Passes unanimously item B 00:00:26.579 --> 00:00:29.030 Receive a report and hold a discussion with dockless bike 00:00:29.030 --> 00:00:31.679 share operators concerning the recent bike share ordinance 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:33.079 adopted by the city of Denton and 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:35.320 provide staff direction I 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:39.200 Believe mr. Nelson will be presenting 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:48.799 Good morning, madam chair members of the committee 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:53.520 Earlier this year we passed the city of Denton passed a 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:56.799 ordinance established in a bike a dockless bike share 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:01.000 policy actually, it's a pilot program six month pilot 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:01.600 program and 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:05.480 We had some we had some concerns 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:09.010 That were registered with staff and with a couple of the 00:01:09.010 --> 00:01:12.319 council members in terms, you know from from the bike share 00:01:12.319 --> 00:01:13.379 operators and so 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:17.719 Councilmember Gregory had asked us asked staff to invite 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:20.840 some of the operators or representatives from the 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:23.359 bike dockless bike share 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:26.799 Operations to come and visit with the committee to outline 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:28.239 some of those concerns 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:33.500 We do have representatives from spin Luke petty John and 00:01:33.500 --> 00:01:34.799 then from lime bikes 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:38.319 Miss Katie O'Brien. We had also invited 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:41.120 representatives from 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:45.819 From v bikes. We got no response from a number of different 00:01:45.819 --> 00:01:49.299 emails and as well as phone calls and then 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:51.280 OFO 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:52.519 Servando 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:55.719 Had indicated that he would come and present service around 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:56.439 the Esparza 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:01.420 However on Monday late Monday afternoon, he submitted a 00:02:01.420 --> 00:02:04.200 written statement I put that at each of your places 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:07.379 I'll quickly outline some of the comments there before I 00:02:07.379 --> 00:02:08.280 turn it over to 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:12.319 To miss O'Brien and then 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:16.280 Mr. Petty John can follow in terms of any comments they 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:18.520 have so long the short is is you know 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:22.520 OFO and they had indicated this in the original 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:26.740 Prior to as we were moving through the policy development 00:02:26.740 --> 00:02:29.599 They had concerns with the cap on the number of bikes. One 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:32.280 of the concerns they would have they had was just 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:35.159 having 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:38.889 Having a number having the number of bikes that the market 00:02:38.889 --> 00:02:39.580 demanded 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:41.479 so 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:42.800 Having enough 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:46.219 Enough of their assets in the marketplace so that those who 00:02:46.219 --> 00:02:49.039 wish to use it could find a bike in short order and 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.800 Move along and utilize their service in addition to that 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:55.479 having a larger number of bikes 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:58.340 Then would provide them an opportunity to have a more 00:02:58.340 --> 00:02:58.840 robust 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:04.210 Rebalancing team here on station here in our community to 00:03:04.210 --> 00:03:06.039 be more responsive 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:10.479 They also expressed a limited service area. In fact, that 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:12.599 was one of the responses that we also got from 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:15.759 From vbikes in terms of limited 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:19.530 Service area their concern was is that there was another 00:03:19.530 --> 00:03:22.080 bike sure operator who had already had an agreement 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.580 with both of the universities and so their their thought 00:03:25.580 --> 00:03:27.400 process was is that that's a 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:31.310 Market rich opportunity and not being able to operate on 00:03:31.310 --> 00:03:32.639 those particular 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:36.240 on those campuses would create a 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:39.370 Strain in terms of their ability to compete and then the 00:03:39.370 --> 00:03:42.840 data sharing there were some concerns. Yes, ma'am. I 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:45.650 was a little bit confused about the comment about not 00:03:45.650 --> 00:03:48.840 operating on campuses because I don't believe our ordinance 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:51.520 prohibits anybody from operating on campus our 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:55.419 Ordinance does not necessarily prohibit operating on any of 00:03:55.419 --> 00:03:58.039 the campuses. The concern was is that 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:03.270 The universities had entered into memorandum of 00:04:03.270 --> 00:04:07.280 understanding with a single bike share operator on their I 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:08.800 don't want to call it private 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:12.439 Private property but on their campus state state property 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:14.560 Okay, so I'm still not following 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:17.920 So how would that how does our ordinance plan with these mo 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:21.319 use between the bike share operators and I don't know that 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:22.160 it's necessarily a 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:24.680 slide against specifically our 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:28.199 particular ordinance, it's just the market in general here 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:30.279 in Denton in terms of not being able to 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:33.959 Have access and have their bikes on those particular 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:34.959 campuses 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:38.370 Was a was a concern that they had they felt like that 00:04:38.370 --> 00:04:41.480 limited their their market share. Okay 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:45.709 Thank you. So the other one was data sharing and in fact 00:04:45.709 --> 00:04:46.319 staff has 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:49.319 has participated in a 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:53.870 Roundtable if you owes conference call and we plan to do 00:04:53.870 --> 00:04:55.000 that for the next 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:58.199 for the next year, but the 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:00.879 roundtable conference call with a number of different 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:01.560 municipalities 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:05.199 with North Central Texas Council of Government 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:08.680 Working to identify how we might be able to 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:12.439 establish a data sharing program that 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:15.639 That assists the the local 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:18.790 communities objective in terms of what we want to do with 00:05:18.790 --> 00:05:20.839 that data how we utilize the data and 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:24.089 Essentially the interest in gathering that data is to 00:05:24.089 --> 00:05:27.279 create heat maps, right? So those heat maps then 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:31.589 Provide a planning document for our engineers and our bike 00:05:31.589 --> 00:05:34.000 bike and ped coordinated coordination 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:38.269 Efforts where we might implement new infrastructure where 00:05:38.269 --> 00:05:39.180 we need 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:42.730 Where we're deficient in certain infrastructure how we 00:05:42.730 --> 00:05:43.839 might be able to improve 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:47.360 other components in terms of that bike and ped 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:48.399 infrastructure and so 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:52.480 The concern that that is outlined here and the email from 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:54.879 from OFO is you know, certainly 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:56.639 I 00:05:56.639 --> 00:06:01.360 Guess it's it's market data or private data that they not 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:04.199 wish to to communicate or if it becomes 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:06.560 public data then 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:10.730 Another competitor may request that information. So one of 00:06:10.730 --> 00:06:12.639 the theories was is well 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.509 Maybe if we have it on a trailing basis because this data 00:06:16.509 --> 00:06:18.300 is really I want to say it's 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:22.720 Important 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:26.060 For a limited period but certainly within four to six 00:06:26.060 --> 00:06:27.439 months trailing 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:31.680 It may not be as valuable in terms of the competitive side 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.610 however, it would still be valuable on them on the 00:06:34.610 --> 00:06:36.759 municipal planning side in terms of 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:40.040 again where to put those enhancements in terms of 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:44.600 Bike and ped infrastructure. So I don't necessarily have it 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:46.790 That's a quick some summation of the email and the 00:06:46.790 --> 00:06:48.879 information that was provided to us from OFO 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:52.029 If you have any additional questions, I'm willing to answer 00:06:52.029 --> 00:06:54.759 those now or can do that at the end of the prison 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:58.060 After we hear from the the two other bike share operators 00:06:58.060 --> 00:06:59.699 that are here today with us 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:07.480 So if Katie O'Brien she again represents 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:12.600 I 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:18.339 Think what would be beneficial if you just had a five 00:07:18.339 --> 00:07:20.480 minute short rundown in terms of 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:23.600 What we had discussed to kind of via email what what some 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:25.759 of the concerns are and then maybe towards the end the two 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:25.879 of 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:28.389 You could come up and answer collectively those questions 00:07:28.389 --> 00:07:30.399 if that suits the chair. Okay 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:40.560 Good afternoon 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:42.639 And 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:45.569 My name is Katie O'Brien. I'm here on behalf of line bike 00:07:45.569 --> 00:07:45.959 today 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:49.269 we appreciate the city of Denton for including us in this 00:07:49.269 --> 00:07:50.240 process and the 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:54.069 planning and in conversations about the ordinance 00:07:54.069 --> 00:07:55.360 implementation and 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:58.839 We hope to partner with this city in the future 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:02.519 However, line bike is not intending to complete a permit 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:04.240 application at this time 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:08.959 So I'm just here to provide feedback a number of the 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:09.959 company's 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:14.560 Concerns are similar although not exact to what you heard 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:15.639 from OFO 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:21.699 And it's important to our company to be good partners with 00:08:21.699 --> 00:08:22.800 all the municipalities 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:27.959 Where they operate and for that to be true 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:32.350 we we really would like to see some changes to the 00:08:32.350 --> 00:08:33.480 ordinance for 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:37.960 the ability to have the right size fleet to meet the 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:41.360 the needs of this community and a 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:45.919 different fee structure and also a 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:50.149 larger fleet would allow for us to dedicate more resources 00:08:50.149 --> 00:08:53.480 to serve a community like Denton and make sure that the 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:54.039 bikes are 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:57.080 adequately rebalanced and maintained throughout this 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:00.379 community and it is not our intention to have bikes here 00:09:00.379 --> 00:09:01.080 and to not 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:04.950 Serve the fleet or the community appropriately and so at 00:09:04.950 --> 00:09:08.200 this time we will not be submitting a permit application 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:12.000 But hope hope to partner at some point in the future 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:16.899 I'm glad to answer any questions that anyone has or I'll 00:09:16.899 --> 00:09:18.919 wait until after spin 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:24.759 Thank you chairperson 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:31.519 So, what does a right-sized fleet look like for the 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:37.000 demographics in the city the size of them 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:40.799 And 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:42.360 line bike 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:44.360 would prefer to 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:47.529 Operate here for a period of time and see how how many 00:09:47.529 --> 00:09:51.279 bikes are necessary. We understand there is not a need to 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:54.759 Flood this community with too many bikes 00:09:55.240 --> 00:10:00.019 But for a city the size of Denton with two large college 00:10:00.019 --> 00:10:01.399 populations 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:04.600 100 bikes will be dispersed so 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:10.480 Widely throughout the community that it will be difficult 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:12.039 for an individual to 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:17.059 Regularly find and maintain expectation of the ability to 00:10:17.059 --> 00:10:19.519 find a bike as when they need it 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:25.000 So I don't have a a perfect number. I apologize and 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:29.409 From our previous conversations we would prefer to bring in 00:10:29.409 --> 00:10:32.440 the ballpark of 500 bikes to this community 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:34.440 Which would allow us to dedicate staff 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.399 full-time staff to the city of Denton and to the area and 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.769 And it would also help to create an expectation of the 00:10:43.769 --> 00:10:47.240 availability of bike share as a true mobility 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:49.679 tool or option for your residents 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:56.580 So you're saying start with maybe 500 and you might adjust 00:10:56.580 --> 00:10:58.639 up or down based on what your 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:01.080 experiences 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:03.759 Sure, we would we would prefer to be able to have a 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.120 conversation with the city and to come to that an agreement 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:07.759 about that 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:09.440 number without 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:11.919 Always having a cap in the ordinance 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:14.519 But if there was a cap in the ordinance 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:17.889 We would just prefer to be able to come back to the city 00:11:17.889 --> 00:11:20.549 with our recommendations and your Department of 00:11:20.549 --> 00:11:21.039 Transportation 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:24.860 or engineering departments recommendations for what would 00:11:24.860 --> 00:11:29.580 be the best fit for Denton and most were many cities across 00:11:29.580 --> 00:11:30.000 the country 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:33.580 municipalities do not have a cap and it's a conversation 00:11:33.580 --> 00:11:34.039 that's 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:39.440 Ongoing between the vendor companies the municipality and 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:41.799 the perceived need of the community 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:46.690 Thank you and there were some back and forth in in our 00:11:46.690 --> 00:11:49.070 discussions about the ordinance about whether it would be 00:11:49.070 --> 00:11:49.720 good to have an 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:51.720 ordinance that just allowed for 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:56.679 as many bike share groups has wanted to come in with the 00:11:56.679 --> 00:11:57.840 caps that we had or 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.720 that it might be better to have a a 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:06.940 Memorandum of understanding with a single company put out 00:12:06.940 --> 00:12:09.279 an RFP or something like that 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:13.289 have you had as your company had experience with both of 00:12:13.289 --> 00:12:15.639 those different scenarios and 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:20.940 How do how does each one of them work for you? Yes, sir 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:26.240 Line bike and I probably speak for all of the companies 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.080 operate in in about any 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.200 regulatory environment that you can imagine and 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:35.259 But while we always prefer to have the option to compete 00:12:35.259 --> 00:12:38.919 and participate in a market and at a 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:41.759 single MOU agreement 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:46.200 Works well in some instances in order to provide 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:51.720 Enough service and accountability for the municipality and 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:52.440 the vendor 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:56.289 But for example regionally in Plano Plano's recent 00:12:56.289 --> 00:12:58.159 ordinance that they adopted 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:00.759 they are will have an a 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.960 open-ended permit so for a 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:08.950 Permit fee a company can bring as many bikes in partnership 00:13:08.950 --> 00:13:10.000 with the city 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:14.049 You have to have approved docking stations and service 00:13:14.049 --> 00:13:17.720 agreements to maintain adequate operations 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:21.059 So they're calling for some you're saying docking stations. 00:13:21.059 --> 00:13:24.279 I'm guessing we'd call them corrals. They called them home 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:24.720 zones 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:26.360 Okay 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:28.440 but places where the bikes are supposed to 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:33.159 Rebalance be rebalanced to that's right 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:36.879 the ordinance was drafted a little differently than the 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:40.200 city of Denton's in that every bike does not have to be in 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:41.240 a home zone but 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:44.370 That you're asked to I don't want to misspeak on behalf of 00:13:44.370 --> 00:13:46.679 the city of Plano, but you're asked to 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:50.120 identify several particularly in their 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:55.950 Central business districts that would be places to locate 00:13:55.950 --> 00:13:58.960 the bikes initially in in deployment 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.610 Unfortunately, I think part of our ordinance was simply a 00:14:03.610 --> 00:14:05.759 reaction to 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:10.399 Trying to catch up with with what's going on 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:16.080 and respond trying to balance the the desire to 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:21.720 Have a bike share program or more in town and yet be 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:26.720 Sensitive to property owners and to people who are using 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:28.000 sidewalks and 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:31.500 It appeared that the vendor that was here and I don't know 00:14:31.500 --> 00:14:33.919 if we could even call them a vendor the 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:36.600 Company that was here 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:40.879 Whatever their technology was to locate bicycles was 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.850 Maybe not what we expected it was going to be because even 00:14:46.850 --> 00:14:49.879 when they left they you know 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:52.330 Send a note saying well if you all find any bikes, let us 00:14:52.330 --> 00:14:53.039 know where they are 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:56.039 And I'm thinking I thought your technology allowed you to 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:59.059 find those bikes because I could drive down the road and 00:14:59.059 --> 00:14:59.840 find them but 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:05.120 So can you talk about the technology that you have to find 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:06.080 bikes and how 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:12.080 Precise it is. I can't speak to other companies technology, 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:15.720 but line bike has active GPS on all of the bikes. So 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:19.690 Just like the user is able to identify the location of the 00:15:19.690 --> 00:15:20.179 bikes 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:22.840 it's 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:27.799 It's accurate within several feet. It's not I 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:30.399 can't I 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:34.809 Don't know the exact accuracy in terms of five versus seven 00:15:34.809 --> 00:15:35.200 feet 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:41.009 But it it's the GPS technology is is remarkable from my lay 00:15:41.009 --> 00:15:43.240 experience and that same 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:47.870 technology the company has and it maintains and monitors 00:15:47.870 --> 00:15:49.080 all of its bikes and 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:52.820 Monitors how long the bike has been idle for example where 00:15:52.820 --> 00:15:56.279 the last ride was who which user? 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:01.299 Completed the last ride and we're able to locate any of 00:16:01.299 --> 00:16:02.480 those bikes are 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:05.600 Our software system also has 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:09.600 In app reporting features. So if a user ever has trouble 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:10.600 with a single bike 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:14.460 They can report that in app or obviously through the 1-800 00:16:14.460 --> 00:16:16.519 customer service phone number as well 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:20.490 So we have able we are we do know where our bikes are at 00:16:20.490 --> 00:16:21.080 all times 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:27.870 Thank you answered my question about the number of bikes so 00:16:27.870 --> 00:16:31.090 I don't have any other questions thank you for your time. 00:16:31.090 --> 00:16:31.559 Thank you 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:34.879 And I think we have somebody else coming up next 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:44.110 Hello welcome, hey, my name is Luke petty John I'm from 00:16:44.110 --> 00:16:44.960 spin 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:50.159 I'll just kind of go through a few of the a few of the 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:53.080 questions and spins answers to them as well and how 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:53.919 everything relates 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:59.120 regarding the bike numbers and the caps that were placed I 00:16:59.919 --> 00:17:02.039 Don't think 100 is outrageous 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:05.670 But I think it was contemplated there would be four or more 00:17:05.670 --> 00:17:08.359 companies coming in with that many bikes 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:12.210 Which would indicate that perhaps the 500 number of total 00:17:12.210 --> 00:17:14.279 bikes for the Denton area makes sense 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:15.920 I 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.200 Don't know that that makes sense per operator 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:20.839 however 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:24.019 Seeing as there's only probably one left standing at the 00:17:24.019 --> 00:17:26.880 end of this. Maybe that number does make sense 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:32.119 when spin entered into the agreements with UNT and TW you 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:37.869 It was almost prior to any permitting being contemplated in 00:17:37.869 --> 00:17:38.799 Denton because 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:41.319 V-bikes was on the ground 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:42.599 and 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:46.339 I had several conversations with the schools beforehand and 00:17:46.339 --> 00:17:47.960 with the city as well saying that 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:52.819 It didn't really make sense to bring more bikes to Denton 00:17:52.819 --> 00:17:55.039 without the schools buy-in 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:57.619 Which is why I pursued the school first because that's 00:17:57.619 --> 00:17:59.950 where most of the ridership is going to come from and there 00:17:59.950 --> 00:18:00.839 were already v 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:03.720 Bikes all over the square and elsewhere around town 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:07.930 Not all of which appeared to be written all the time unless 00:18:07.930 --> 00:18:10.279 they were just doing an amazing job restocking them on the 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:11.380 square every day 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:13.480 so I 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:16.480 Didn't I didn't want to overcrowd the square or other 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.829 popular areas around town with more bikes just because of 00:18:19.829 --> 00:18:20.400 that option 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:23.069 I wanted to focus on the universities at that time and that 00:18:23.069 --> 00:18:25.339 's how we kind of arrived at the numbers that we did with 00:18:25.339 --> 00:18:26.079 the universities 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:28.980 beforehand a smaller amount for TW you 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.720 25 to 30 bikes and and a much larger one for UNT because 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:36.240 the campus is much larger and the student body is much 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:36.720 larger as 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:38.720 well and that number was 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:41.619 250 that we arrived at at the time and we were customizing 00:18:41.619 --> 00:18:45.279 the bikes to have school colors school branding all of that 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:45.980 . So 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:48.440 the 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:51.529 the the fleet numbers that we arrived at on campuses was 00:18:51.529 --> 00:18:54.559 not a way to try and get around any any number that was 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:55.519 proposed here and 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:59.259 At the time it seemed like it would tie into the direction 00:18:59.259 --> 00:19:01.400 that the the ordinance was heading 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:05.359 And then we had a few changes even in session with reducing 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:06.720 that number further 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:11.619 We also advocated for the single vendor RFP kind of from 00:19:11.619 --> 00:19:13.839 the beginning because 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:18.390 Again, I think that would probably serve this community 00:19:18.390 --> 00:19:22.099 best to have the schools and the city under the same thing 00:19:22.099 --> 00:19:23.099 and and even possibly 00:19:23.099 --> 00:19:24.559 under the same 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:27.319 same guidelines across the board the 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:31.359 Data sharing aspect of everything. I 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:35.759 agree with with both OFO and line bike we really prefer to 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.799 have a third party that can aggregate and 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:41.359 Anonymize all the data that we submit 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:45.519 so that city is able to just look at bikes not this company 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:49.200 's bikes in this company's bikes and and and 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:50.960 determine 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:54.029 Who has the the most ridership or anything in that way 00:19:54.029 --> 00:19:55.720 because at the end of the day 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:58.069 We're all working to provide the same service and that is 00:19:58.069 --> 00:20:01.880 an alternative mobility option for the people. So 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:05.079 We have no issue sharing all the data that we collect which 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:08.700 does not include any personally identifiable information. 00:20:08.700 --> 00:20:09.700 It's just trip data 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:15.109 Start and locations routes duration of the time that took 00:20:15.109 --> 00:20:16.420 to ride that length 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:20.299 So all of it is something that that we're happy to work 00:20:20.299 --> 00:20:23.359 with and we do provide this to schools 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:26.680 Openly and freely we have a dashboard that we share and it 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:28.799 shows these heat maps that you're talking about 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:32.079 For planning purposes and really helps with determining 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:34.819 where that next parking lot or garage should go 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:37.559 Striping for bike lanes those kind of things 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:42.299 And the only other the only other comment I really have is 00:20:42.299 --> 00:20:45.440 that for the the requirements in the ordinance on 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:47.599 virtual bike corrals 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:50.460 I'm not sure that everyone was even on the same page as to 00:20:50.460 --> 00:20:51.400 as to what that is 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:54.359 When it was being discussed in the in the council meeting 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:58.119 and and how that would look I I understand how the 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:01.339 performance requirements of picking up the bikes and rebal 00:21:01.339 --> 00:21:03.599 ancing them to those locations works and 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:06.930 Showing the users in app where those locations are so that 00:21:06.930 --> 00:21:09.119 they return the bikes to those spots 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:14.539 But I don't know if that was a notion that was presented by 00:21:14.539 --> 00:21:16.000 one of the companies 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:19.000 in the draft phase of everything and 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:22.690 sort of shook out differently in that that company did not 00:21:22.690 --> 00:21:24.440 choose to apply or what but 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:30.440 It it is something that that spin is capable of doing and 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:32.880 and we showed how in our 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:34.559 application 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:37.650 But there there may be some some confusion on that going 00:21:37.650 --> 00:21:40.160 forward until everyone's on the same page 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:46.000 So happy to answer any questions as well. Thank you 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:51.880 So you have a 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:55.420 Memorandum of understanding with both universities. Yes, 00:21:55.420 --> 00:21:58.579 sir, and your plan right now is for how many bikes at each 00:21:58.579 --> 00:21:59.119 campus 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:00.920 right now 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.359 25 bikes at TWU and 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:08.170 Still ongoing communications with UNT plan to start with 00:22:08.170 --> 00:22:09.119 100 00:22:10.519 --> 00:22:14.450 And ensure that no more than 100 bikes ever leave the 00:22:14.450 --> 00:22:17.359 campuses and are on any city right-of-way 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:21.559 So you you're hoping to keep them on campus and not 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.259 So what if a university student wants to ride downtown, 00:22:26.259 --> 00:22:26.839 right? 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:29.309 There are some predetermined locations that we put out in 00:22:29.309 --> 00:22:32.799 the application for at the DCTA stop and the square 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:35.609 So there are some virtual bike corrals that we've proposed 00:22:35.609 --> 00:22:37.319 where students can ride into town 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:40.549 I'm just saying that our operations will work to make sure 00:22:40.549 --> 00:22:44.000 that we don't have any anything more than the cap on 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.000 city right of way 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:51.599 Is it your understanding that that they can't ride 00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:54.480 throughout the rest of the city 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:00.539 No, they're they're more than free to ride throughout the 00:23:00.539 --> 00:23:02.759 city. Oh, they are free. Yes, sir. I 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:07.000 Didn't hear the question. I was just I was wondering if 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:07.720 there was some 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.789 Notion that they weren't allowed to go anywhere in the city 00:23:11.789 --> 00:23:13.680 . No, they'll be they'll be for service for 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:16.559 community members and students alike, okay 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:23.799 So we do have a presentation following this and it's with a 00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:24.759 University of North Texas 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:28.200 Proposal that kind of outlined some of these operating 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:28.799 issues 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:32.809 We can go into detail at that point in time if you wish or 00:23:32.809 --> 00:23:35.160 we can handle that at this point in time 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:38.990 but the theory would be as Mr. Petty John indicated is that 00:23:38.990 --> 00:23:40.880 there's a set number to 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:44.170 Service or provide the level of service has requested by 00:23:44.170 --> 00:23:46.119 the University of North, Texas 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:50.069 We would expect that some of those migrate off campus. 00:23:50.069 --> 00:23:53.890 However, as Mr. Petty John said their their tracking and 00:23:53.890 --> 00:23:54.160 GPS 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:56.119 capability 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.410 would keep that number below the 100 within the city of 00:23:59.410 --> 00:24:01.079 city of Denton right of way and 00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:05.720 Meet both the spirit and letter of the law of the ordinance 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:10.559 And you're you're 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:12.720 locating 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:17.150 Technology is it how accurate is it? It's as accurate as 00:24:17.150 --> 00:24:18.440 any GPS out there 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:20.599 It's and it's a GPS module as well 00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:23.970 So, you know sometimes when you're driving your car in one 00:24:23.970 --> 00:24:24.839 light of the road 00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:28.079 It thinks you're on that next lane over but it's it's as 00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:29.920 close as GPS can get. Okay 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:35.750 Well, I was kind of just crunching some numbers because the 00:24:35.750 --> 00:24:39.359 cap discussion is interesting to me 00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:44.200 I tend to agree with you that if we have you know, let's 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:47.200 say there are four vendors in town and they all want 500 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:47.559 bikes 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:51.509 To me that seems like some over saturation and it actually 00:24:51.509 --> 00:24:54.400 could serve to prevent other vendors from entering the 00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:54.759 market 00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:57.900 So I don't really view it as kind of a let the market 00:24:57.900 --> 00:25:01.940 decide situation if you have the ability to just completely 00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:05.390 Put as many bikes as you want. I mean the biggest operator 00:25:05.390 --> 00:25:07.039 will win in that situation 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:10.779 So I was looking at the student populations at Texas Women 00:25:10.779 --> 00:25:14.119 's University, which is 15,000 now 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:17.049 I thought it was still 11,000 which just shows you how 00:25:17.049 --> 00:25:18.440 behind the times I am and then 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.250 UNT's that I think it was 37,000 plus probably grad 00:25:22.250 --> 00:25:23.359 students as well 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:25.960 so 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:28.640 Thought it was interesting that you know UNT is getting 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:31.240 25 and then 00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:34.960 I'm sorry TWU is getting 25 and then UNT which is just 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:35.200 slightly 00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:38.069 More than twice the population is getting four times as 00:25:38.069 --> 00:25:40.650 many bikes, but I'm assuming that has to do with the size 00:25:40.650 --> 00:25:41.680 of the campus 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:46.839 How spread out it is and things of that nature. Yeah, not 00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:48.680 trying to question your business judgment 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:50.680 I'm just trying to kind of figure out the math here 00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:54.200 So then we know when I kind of transpose it to the city of 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:56.680 Denton where population of 140,000 people 00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:00.519 But our kind of adult and mobile population is 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.500 significantly less than that. So I 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:06.630 Mean, I'm really interested in a conversation about how 00:26:06.630 --> 00:26:10.960 many bikes can be supported in the city. I just I don't see 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:11.440 that 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:13.039 you know if 00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:15.680 If UNT is getting a hundred bikes for instance 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:20.730 Tlb is getting 25 bikes. I can't see that the city of Dent 00:26:20.730 --> 00:26:23.400 on with a total population of 140,000 would ever need 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:27.279 You know a thousand bikes, right? But that's that's my 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.299 perspective and I think it's shared by some people on 00:26:30.299 --> 00:26:30.859 council 00:26:30.859 --> 00:26:33.740 I'm totally I'm really open to the idea of having this 00:26:33.740 --> 00:26:36.640 discussion though, because I think the data will help a lot 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:39.609 And that was kind of our goal with the ordinance was to 00:26:39.609 --> 00:26:41.039 have a way to figure out 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:45.440 You know where where the heat maps are I'm okay with the N 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:45.680 DA's 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:48.569 As well as far as I'm concerned. It's your proprietary 00:26:48.569 --> 00:26:49.200 information 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:54.960 So that's kind of where I stand at the present moment 00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:58.339 I certainly I'm kind of surprised to hear that our 00:26:58.339 --> 00:27:01.519 ordinance would really have a huge effect on UNT or TWU 00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:02.599 because their state 00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:04.200 organizations, I 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:07.269 Mean, I guess to the extent that there's outflow of the 00:27:07.269 --> 00:27:10.230 bikes, but ultimately we don't regulate anything that 00:27:10.230 --> 00:27:11.000 happens at UNT 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:13.599 so the issue is 00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:18.160 That we have city didn't ride away within the campuses 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.250 And so that's where that's where the regulatory component 00:27:21.250 --> 00:27:25.299 from our ordinance would play in and that's how whether it 00:27:25.299 --> 00:27:25.539 be 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.500 TWU or UNT could have something more than the 100 bikes 00:27:30.500 --> 00:27:33.039 that our ordinance if if those bikes are generally 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:35.279 stationed 00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:39.549 on their campus at you know particular locations, let's say 00:27:39.549 --> 00:27:40.680 the library or 00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:45.559 Education or business building and then maybe out near some 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:49.680 of the different larger parking lots that the commuters use 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:55.440 So you'd said that 00:27:55.680 --> 00:28:00.619 Heald had advocated for a single vendor on RFP program. 00:28:00.619 --> 00:28:02.200 Tell me about your experience 00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:05.980 Are you operating in both environments and why were you 00:28:05.980 --> 00:28:08.599 advocating for the single vendor? 00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:14.160 I was advocating for it here because I think one vendor 00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:16.259 serving all the all three 00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:18.640 Entities makes makes the most sense 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:23.339 It prevents the the spillage from too many bikes going on 00:28:23.339 --> 00:28:25.319 to campus off of campus 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:29.039 It's a lot easier to control just one company and then the 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:33.000 back and forth on what goes in is a much easier process 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:35.160 You're not having to hear from several different 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:39.059 Competing interests at the same time. We've done 00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:43.920 Like he said, we've done every possible regulatory thing 00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.599 imaginable across the country whether it's a single vendor 00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:47.079 RFP 00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:51.759 Linebike and spin have jointly won RFPs in in a few 00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:52.400 locations 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:55.819 Other places there is no regulation 00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:59.710 Or they're working on it like Dallas and it just becomes a 00:28:59.710 --> 00:29:03.160 free-for-all. So I thought that a 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.980 Single vendor where we can work closely 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.680 together and you select the one that 00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:12.650 presents the best solution for the Denton area made the 00:29:12.650 --> 00:29:15.640 most sense at the time and and if you 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.440 Would guess at a number of total bikes 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:23.299 Getting at what is we Gary was saying total bikes given the 00:29:23.299 --> 00:29:25.920 universities and in the general city population 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:29.890 What do you think would be the right number for them at 00:29:29.890 --> 00:29:31.720 least to start off with? 00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:34.599 I think it would be less than 500 less than 500 00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:39.920 Well, I don't think we have any other questions, but thank 00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:43.559 you for the presentation appreciate it 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.220 Did you have any other presentations for this item mark, 00:29:49.220 --> 00:29:50.000 okay, so 00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:54.079 You're wanting direction or what? Did you want to go ahead 00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:55.829 and have the discussion with you and T and then give 00:29:55.829 --> 00:29:56.559 direction on both 00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:58.759 You know that might be more beneficial 00:29:59.960 --> 00:30:02.759 Then I'll go ahead and call let's see. It's item 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:05.700 See receive a report hold a discussion and provide 00:30:05.700 --> 00:30:09.680 direction regarding University of North, Texas's bike share 00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:10.539 pilot proposal 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:20.339 Now it's a now it's afternoon good afternoon 00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:23.359 madam chair members of the committee 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:25.559 mark Nelson director of transportation 00:30:26.460 --> 00:30:30.109 We have included in your backup we a proposal from the 00:30:30.109 --> 00:30:31.339 University of North, Texas 00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:34.329 As stated in the backup material, we've been working with 00:30:34.329 --> 00:30:37.460 the University of North, Texas on trying to identify an op 00:30:38.220 --> 00:30:41.839 different options on on how we might roll out bike share up 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:43.980 opportunities 00:30:43.980 --> 00:30:47.000 Both here in the community as well as on campus to serve 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:50.660 the the different needs of our different of our agencies 00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:52.799 We met last week 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:54.720 Again with the University of North, Texas 00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:58.839 They have refined a proposal and that proposal essentially 00:30:58.839 --> 00:30:59.079 is 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:02.599 At the heart of it 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.039 At the heart of it they are trying to address an issue 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:12.970 Which is essentially abandoned bikes and bike clutter on on 00:31:12.970 --> 00:31:13.960 their campus 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.599 And I'm remiss before I go much further. I did want to 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:20.380 introduce the folks from the University of North, Texas. We 00:31:20.380 --> 00:31:20.640 do have 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.400 Dr. Clark 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:26.160 VP in the administration and then 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.359 Chris Phelps director of transportation and then 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.670 Grant hell with with the transportation department as well 00:31:33.670 --> 00:31:34.119 and 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.119 Back back to the proposal 00:31:38.420 --> 00:31:41.359 We met with University of North, Texas. They they 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:45.079 You've got the proposal in the backup. But again what they 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.519 're looking at trying to do is provide 00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:54.160 Really two issues here is provide additional transportation 00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:58.539 Options on their campus as well as reduce the overall 00:31:58.539 --> 00:31:59.839 clutter on campus 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.240 typically what happens 00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:07.059 And I might have contributed to it to my alma mater and 00:32:07.059 --> 00:32:09.759 that is a student will bring a bike and 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:12.880 they'll use that bike and 00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:17.539 maybe forget about it after two or three or four months and 00:32:17.539 --> 00:32:17.960 then 00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:21.410 Maybe never get back to it and there it stays locked up to 00:32:21.410 --> 00:32:22.160 a particular 00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:27.880 bike rack or in some cases a lamp post or a 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.680 Park bench, whatever the case may be 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:34.450 University of North, Texas has and they're what their 00:32:34.450 --> 00:32:36.839 experience has been is at the end of 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.720 The spring semester each year. They have to go through and 00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:41.240 figure out 00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:45.470 How how how to address that issue to clean up their campus 00:32:45.470 --> 00:32:47.960 make it presentable make it safe 00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:49.960 I mean, they're tripping hazards 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:52.240 it's just it's just not a good scene or 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:56.720 Situation that they would like to to continue and so their 00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:58.960 interest is is you know, quite frankly 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.079 entering into an agreement with spin 00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:06.970 Who would serve as the logistics arm of their program UNT 00:33:06.970 --> 00:33:09.000 would own the program essentially and 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.250 It would provide initially they roll out with about a 00:33:12.250 --> 00:33:12.799 hundred bikes 00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:17.599 But may push up to 250 bikes and those bikes would be pre 00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:19.599 positioned or or located at 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:21.519 designated 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.039 areas 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.599 Where you might see higher 00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:27.720 traffic 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:31.140 Obviously the parking lots for those students that are comm 00:33:31.140 --> 00:33:32.440 uting from off campus 00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:35.509 There may be locations around the student union the 00:33:35.509 --> 00:33:38.789 education building business business build their parking 00:33:38.789 --> 00:33:40.680 lot of internal parking lots as well 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.480 but they would have those identified and 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:47.299 There would not necessarily be restricted to be utilized at 00:33:47.299 --> 00:33:48.440 those locations 00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.619 But based on their experience they know that they've got a 00:33:51.619 --> 00:33:55.099 certain number or volume of students moving from one 00:33:55.099 --> 00:33:56.160 location to the other 00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:59.019 So in the morning as part of the rebalancing program 00:33:59.019 --> 00:34:02.369 They'd have those those bikes and assets stationed where 00:34:02.369 --> 00:34:05.039 they needed to be and their proposal that talks about 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:06.359 having those bikes 00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:08.960 rebalanced at 7 a.m. Every morning so 00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:13.440 For 8 o'clock classes students rolling in it into those 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:17.000 parking lots at 715 730 or maybe 759 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:21.019 They have a transportation mode to get to the next to their 00:34:21.019 --> 00:34:23.099 class wherever they may be going 00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:28.489 They understand that that those bikes are going to migrate 00:34:28.489 --> 00:34:32.400 off campus as well and so spin has then 00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:35.039 agreed to as part of their 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:38.030 Preliminary agreement or contract would be again to re 00:34:38.030 --> 00:34:41.690 balance those back to those locations again as mr. Petty 00:34:41.690 --> 00:34:42.760 John indicated 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.150 They've got the they've got the technology. They got the 00:34:45.150 --> 00:34:48.360 capability to get those bikes back to 00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.360 central mass locations if you will 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.579 Sure, are there going to be a handful of them onesies twos 00:34:54.579 --> 00:34:56.300 ies that may not make it back 00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:59.690 Out of the city of Denton right away or from different 00:34:59.690 --> 00:35:03.380 retail areas that may be outlying areas initially 00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:06.639 We'd expect that but generally speaking 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:11.239 The overall program would be to get get those bikes back on 00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:13.960 to campus at usable locations 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.570 Where they'd be a benefit to to the students and to the 00:35:17.570 --> 00:35:21.119 university and again one of the other aspects of it is is 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.280 it being a customized 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:26.239 program in terms of the color of the bike and so that 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.000 they they know 00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:32.059 That that particular bike belongs to that particular 00:35:32.059 --> 00:35:35.179 operator which is associated with the University of North, 00:35:35.179 --> 00:35:35.719 Texas now 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:39.760 Texas Women's University has a similar branding aspect. I 00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.719 don't think they're planning to go with green. I think they 00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:43.260 like a much 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:46.719 Different color maroon a 00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:48.920 Couple of us in the room like the maroon color 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:53.559 Anyhow point is is they've got they've got a branding 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:57.769 You know a market brand for each of the programs and you 00:35:57.769 --> 00:36:00.199 know at the University of North, Texas 00:36:00.820 --> 00:36:02.679 Madame chairs you state is going to be a little bit more 00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:04.800 robust a little bit larger campus in terms of 00:36:05.860 --> 00:36:08.280 physical area how it stretched across 00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:11.880 You know universe, you know across 00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.500 35 and then certainly just told number of students 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.599 I'd like to invite dr. Clark up here to maybe finish or 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:23.480 clean up anything that I left on unsaid or or 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:26.360 misstated 00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.659 But then the two of us could answer questions that you may 00:36:29.659 --> 00:36:32.000 have if that's okay with the committee 00:36:40.980 --> 00:36:43.440 Good afternoon, my name is Alan Clark 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:48.510 I'm a graduate from TWU and I'm a graduate from UNT. I've 00:36:48.510 --> 00:36:49.320 been here 22 years 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:54.800 and this is exciting times for the city and to see the 00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.079 growth in the management of that taking place just 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.139 Want to add some statistics to mr. Nelson statements? 00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:07.500 The University itself we're just right over 38,000 students 00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:09.280 . Where do we want to get to? 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.710 In the next five years around 45,000 students. We've got 00:37:13.710 --> 00:37:15.199 about 7,000 employees 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:20.760 We have 6,600 students living on campus right now in in our 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:21.239 dorms 00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:25.039 If you go walking across campus and and I had mr 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:29.210 Hale go do this and just count every bike for that day we 00:37:29.210 --> 00:37:29.920 came up with 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:34.340 1,091 bikes and they were chained to everything if it was 00:37:34.340 --> 00:37:36.320 standing they were chained to it 00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.949 What I'd really appreciate the opportunity to do is when 00:37:40.949 --> 00:37:43.670 the parents come for orientation this year to be able to 00:37:43.670 --> 00:37:44.920 say don't bring your bike 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:48.969 Just leave your bike there and the difficulty for a student 00:37:48.969 --> 00:37:51.440 is they go one place 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.519 And they got to go get that back to go someplace else 00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.599 I want to provide the opportunity 00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:59.239 You know what just grab another bike and go where you want. 00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.909 You never have to worry about getting that bike back to 00:38:01.909 --> 00:38:02.960 your home base 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:06.639 Some other things that have affected us this past year 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.699 We lost over 1,100 parking spaces and that's due to 00:38:09.699 --> 00:38:11.360 construction and it's good 00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:15.440 I we have some wonderful things new CVAD building going in 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:15.760 new 00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:18.849 Resident hall going in new dining facility going in and 00:38:18.849 --> 00:38:20.880 interest to the campus being built 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:24.719 But with that we lost 1,100 spaces. And so how do you 00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:27.639 overcome that? Well, you go build right now 00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:33.440 550 spaces on the other side of 35 at the very back of the 00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:35.920 Apogee Stadium 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.269 That means the students are going to need to commute and 00:38:38.269 --> 00:38:40.960 and what we've discussed with spin is the ability 00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:45.000 for to have our bikes out there in 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.920 Actual cages at that point. So ours is kind of what we want 00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:50.559 to represent as a hybrid 00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:53.679 Out in the parking lots. There is a station where those 00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.400 bikes are at students can take them into campus 00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:58.969 They use them they move about wherever they want to migrate 00:38:58.969 --> 00:38:59.880 throughout the day 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:03.130 but a large portion of those bikes go back out to those 00:39:03.130 --> 00:39:04.239 places where our 00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:06.840 individuals can come in and 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:10.059 remotely park and you know our buses 00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:12.239 I 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:14.239 took over parking and transportation 00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.280 three years ago and 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:19.469 One of my first things that I asked to be done is that our 00:39:19.469 --> 00:39:22.179 buses no longer go down Highland Street where all the 00:39:22.179 --> 00:39:22.559 students 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.710 Are crossing and so that means we're going back on Eagle 00:39:25.710 --> 00:39:29.429 and just circling the campus and with that we need this 00:39:29.429 --> 00:39:30.599 ability for just this 00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:34.670 Mobility to where the bus stops are but also a good partner 00:39:34.670 --> 00:39:37.739 to come in and be able to grab the bikes each night 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.989 Get them back out to the locations and what we've talked 00:39:40.989 --> 00:39:42.880 about and is the opportunity to 00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:46.820 Reward the students in some way if you'll help us take the 00:39:46.820 --> 00:39:47.880 bikes back out there 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.809 When you when you go ride a bike back out to the parking 00:39:50.809 --> 00:39:52.460 lot and help us get it there 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:54.679 We need a reward system 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:58.050 The proposal right now is that that these bikes would they 00:39:58.050 --> 00:40:01.320 would be green and then be black and they'd be branded with 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:01.840 UNT 00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:05.670 Logos and UNT phone numbers if somebody's concerned about a 00:40:05.670 --> 00:40:06.960 bike being someplace 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:11.369 UNT will actually be paying for all of the any costs 00:40:11.369 --> 00:40:13.639 associated with the ridership 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.400 and so I 00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:20.239 Personally, I'd like to get down to where you go count 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:23.460 Maybe there's 200 bikes on campus that belong to 00:40:23.460 --> 00:40:25.920 individuals, but I think in doing so 00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:29.559 We're gonna approach the number of 250 bikes that we're 00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:31.820 gonna be looking at at midfall 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:35.239 What we have talked about is working through this process 00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:36.679 with the city of Denton 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:40.360 Would and and I think it would be helpful 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:44.000 But us as UNT even going through the permitting process 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:44.599 with the city 00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.739 Make sure all the bikes are permitted through that and we 00:40:47.739 --> 00:40:50.679 've had the opportunity to work with the city there 00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:54.909 And for us to be able to gather the data on a daily basis 00:40:54.909 --> 00:40:57.480 and know where our bikes are being used what the heat maps 00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:01.260 are showing for usage but us as a 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:04.789 Smaller part of the city of Denton to be able to 00:41:04.789 --> 00:41:08.199 communicate that and work with the mobility council 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:10.920 and how we can 00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:14.679 Ensure our bikes are serving our clientele and not cl 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:16.199 uttering your streets 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:18.079 but 00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:21.420 With that I have a bike clutter problem today that we're 00:41:21.420 --> 00:41:22.440 trying to solve 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:26.190 So the opportunity would be hopefully in this summertime a 00:41:26.190 --> 00:41:29.480 hundred bikes out to see how they're used how they're going 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:30.760 where they're being placed at 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.409 Having a major communication campaign for to influence 00:41:35.409 --> 00:41:36.880 students faculty and staff 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:41.880 But my goal would be to move into the 200 250 range by 00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.920 October November as we're getting more students on campus 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:49.199 And they're recognizing the need for mobility and 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:50.320 transportation 00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.510 So that that's kind of some numbers of statistics where we 00:41:53.510 --> 00:41:56.510 're at and I'll be glad to answer any questions that you 00:41:56.510 --> 00:41:56.880 have 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.489 Thanks for joining us dr. Clark my pleasure. I was looking 00:42:01.489 --> 00:42:04.639 through the UNT report or the proposal 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.360 I guess in the backup and one thing that 00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.389 Intrigues me is how many how many bikes are left over that 00:42:10.389 --> 00:42:12.920 you have to impound at the end of the semester? 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:14.840 we 00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:18.469 It's in the hundreds that we impound each semester and you 00:42:18.469 --> 00:42:21.480 have to go through an announcement process and 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.119 then you have to go through a 00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:28.389 Auction and they're auctioned off in lots because most of 00:42:28.389 --> 00:42:29.559 them their value 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.159 probably by the time they've been 00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:36.730 Abandoned they're in the ten to five dollar ranges as far 00:42:36.730 --> 00:42:39.559 as that some of the things we would like to do though 00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:41.639 is 00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:43.639 I'd like to put out an RFP to 00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:46.199 the bike 00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:49.239 community in the bike stores here and see if they can help 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:51.519 us with the possibility at least the ones that are 00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:52.280 abandoned if 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:56.280 we can go in and refurbish them make them available to 00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:01.260 Maybe folks who are a little less fortunate at schools or 00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:04.199 any of the places where children arrive at 00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:07.920 So we use those to recycle back into the community. But yes 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:08.440 today 00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:12.289 It's it's in the hundreds that we end up getting each year 00:43:12.289 --> 00:43:14.320 and having to go auction off 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:18.199 So let's say that you know, there's 250 line bikes on 00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:18.659 campus 00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:23.360 I'm assuming come May spin. I'm sorry spin bikes apologies 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:26.039 I'm assuming in May 00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:30.239 There are there's not gonna be a need for 250 bikes at that 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.719 point. So what is the plan for? 00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:35.599 Come summertime with those bikes 00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:40.750 The plan would be to back off that service. We as the city 00:43:40.750 --> 00:43:43.659 are concerned with bikes just sitting right? 00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.769 One thing that would be helpful in our instance even with 00:43:47.769 --> 00:43:49.360 the 250 they're in 00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:53.030 Corraled stations in our parking lot. So they're not just 00:43:53.030 --> 00:43:54.280 being we abandoned 00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:57.469 You know a hundred bikes because there's no ridership at 00:43:57.469 --> 00:44:00.420 this time and and we'll certainly work with spin to bring 00:44:00.420 --> 00:44:01.320 back and 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:05.110 Rebalance that and have the ridership numbers. I would like 00:44:05.110 --> 00:44:06.400 to make an offer on 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.800 On behalf of UNT. We'll be looking at our data as well 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:13.550 if there's a point where we want to do joint data 00:44:13.550 --> 00:44:14.639 collection and 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.539 Research on that information using statistical packages 00:44:17.539 --> 00:44:19.079 would be glad to help with that 00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.619 I'm gonna reminisce for a little bit excellent nine 00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.599 I'm about to go off council after nine years and when I ran 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:30.280 nine years ago 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:33.949 was approached during the campaign season by some bike 00:44:33.949 --> 00:44:36.800 advocates mainly associated with UNT and 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:40.840 They did a lot to educate me 00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:44.929 Because I was concerned about quality of life in the city 00:44:44.929 --> 00:44:48.219 an active lifestyle healthy lifestyle 00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:52.039 More bicycling 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.599 opportunities and people feeling safe doing so seemed to be 00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:55.599 a 00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:58.719 worthwhile cause to champion 00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:02.929 So I became the bike guy excellent excellent lately. I've 00:45:02.929 --> 00:45:04.659 become the cemetery guy 00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:07.719 different story, but I 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.519 Had anticipated either one of those when I first ran 00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:17.380 One of the the problems about being the bike guy on City 00:45:17.380 --> 00:45:18.679 Council is that when 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:22.480 Some bike riders do stupid things 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:26.639 People call me as if I'm responsible 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.280 And I did a lot to educate myself and apparently some of 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:33.880 the most stupid things done by bike riders are males 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.159 aged 18 to 25 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:39.920 Who think that they're invincible? 00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:44.400 and I was actually at a national park and found out that 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:48.719 That same demographic presents problems for them 00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.260 That's who they have to rescue most often 00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:56.610 So I have tried to advocate for a long time that when you 00:45:56.610 --> 00:46:00.760 do your orientations your freshman orientations 00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.559 that possibly you would work with the city of Denton and 00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:07.559 us providing some 00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:09.880 bike safety education 00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:13.820 So that that some of those folks would think about because 00:46:13.820 --> 00:46:15.360 it's it's unsettling 00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:18.440 when when I'm driving a vehicle a 00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:22.639 Motorized vehicle and I am suddenly startled by a person in 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:26.179 black on the black bike without any reflectors or any 00:46:26.179 --> 00:46:26.800 lights 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:30.949 Because it would really be bad if I was the one that ran 00:46:30.949 --> 00:46:32.360 over a bicyclist 00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:36.159 It'd be bad if anybody did but I would I would feel 00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:38.639 particularly embarrassed by the whole thing 00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:42.639 So if if we could work with you guys on a bike education 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:43.400 program 00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:49.949 I would be very grateful for that because I think it would 00:46:49.949 --> 00:46:50.400 be better 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:55.679 For the the safety of the students that are riding bikes 00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:58.880 and it would be better for us as a community 00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:02.840 to be able to encourage bike riding without getting some 00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:04.199 pushback by people who 00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:08.789 Actually are somewhat antagonistic towards sharing the road 00:47:08.789 --> 00:47:10.119 with bicyclists 00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:15.059 The other thing is you said and this may be for mark that y 00:47:15.059 --> 00:47:18.719 'all would probably need to ramp up to 250 bikes 00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.920 mark how does that mean that we might need to 00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:29.510 The council might need to come back and do some revisions 00:47:29.510 --> 00:47:32.440 to the ordinance to to facilitate that 00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:34.760 you know council member that's that's 00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.360 that's certainly in play, but our 00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.800 our interpretation of that would be that 00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:43.480 it could 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:46.210 Because it's it because it's going to be on the University 00:47:46.210 --> 00:47:48.760 of North Texas campus and it's not going to be 00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:51.480 impacting or at least it should not be 00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:55.219 impacting the city right of ways, which is where the 00:47:55.219 --> 00:47:57.159 ordinance was really crafted for 00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:59.840 We had anticipated 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.960 Something like that from the universities. How would we how 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:07.119 could we enforce a an ordinance on state property? And so 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.360 that's why I was drafted for to address the 00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.079 The right of way which we do have oversight 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:16.550 So, you know certainly we could bring that forward in terms 00:48:16.550 --> 00:48:19.159 of an informal staff report find out what the pleasure of 00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:19.800 the council is 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:23.170 If it's something that this particular committee wants to 00:48:23.170 --> 00:48:26.489 push up to the council as a recommendation certainly we can 00:48:26.489 --> 00:48:27.079 go that route 00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.199 But you know at present what we look at 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:33.420 quite frankly would be moving forward with an interlocal 00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:36.000 agreement that kind of outlines that and 00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.760 As dr. Clark indicated, you know, they're they're wanting 00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:40.880 to get moving fairly quickly 00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:42.730 So that'd be something that would be coming through within 00:48:42.730 --> 00:48:46.050 the next three to six weeks so they they could be in the 00:48:46.050 --> 00:48:46.800 middle of June 00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:48.920 deploying bikes 00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:50.920 Well the notion of having 00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:56.789 Some share a bike share that was would be available to get 00:48:56.789 --> 00:48:59.639 people from the the downtown Transit Center 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:02.760 either to the square or 00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:07.480 To the campus because I happen to know folks 00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:10.610 They're actually faculty members that that ride the train 00:49:10.610 --> 00:49:11.940 to Denton but 00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:15.179 Are not always interested in riding the bus from the 00:49:15.179 --> 00:49:17.559 Transit Center over to campus 00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:21.570 They walk or they'd like to ride a bike and if they if we 00:49:21.570 --> 00:49:22.519 had bikes there 00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:27.039 That would be available, but I'm not sure if if the plan as 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.460 I'm understanding it would position 00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.289 You know ten bikes at the Transit Center and ten bikes on 00:49:34.289 --> 00:49:35.119 the square 00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.389 well, I would tell you that I've seen some communications 00:49:38.389 --> 00:49:40.519 going back and forth between our 00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:43.679 bike and ped office 00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:46.119 spin and with 00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:49.400 Christina Holcomb VP of planning over at you know 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:54.480 DCTA they are looking into that in terms of where they'd be 00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:56.480 able to station a number of those bikes 00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.679 But yes, I think they're certainly DCTA is open to that 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:05.530 And dr. Clark is there anything that you need from the city 00:50:05.530 --> 00:50:06.559 in order to 00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:13.739 Facilitate or to to support your your efforts for the bike 00:50:13.739 --> 00:50:15.340 share program on campus 00:50:15.340 --> 00:50:18.039 I think that the main thing is that we are 00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:21.000 good citizens to the city and 00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:26.579 And and as stated we need to outline the interlocal 00:50:26.579 --> 00:50:27.099 agreement 00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:29.960 Get that prepared 00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:32.730 And I think that we need to come to an agreement does you 00:50:32.730 --> 00:50:35.119 know does UNT and having these bikes? 00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:39.099 Branded as UNT bikes and also for us to look for the 00:50:39.099 --> 00:50:42.920 opportunity to actually go higher than the 100 00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.320 Do we go through the permitting process? 00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:48.559 I think that needs to be clarified and that's been the 00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:51.630 recommendation up to this point and have no process or no 00:50:51.630 --> 00:50:52.480 problems with doing 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:56.139 that but just need clarity on and we will begin on the work 00:50:56.139 --> 00:50:58.239 on the interlocal agreement from 00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:02.150 Existing so that we have had and start drawing that 00:51:02.150 --> 00:51:02.679 together 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.190 but I think the clarity on the permitting process of how we 00:51:06.190 --> 00:51:07.079 go do this and 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:12.639 We we have agreed to come together with a strategic bicycle 00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:16.039 plan that is laid into the work of the city and 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:18.719 Quite honestly as you're stating 00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:21.329 We don't want our citizens to know that they've gone from 00:51:21.329 --> 00:51:23.730 UNT property to the city and you have to do something 00:51:23.730 --> 00:51:24.400 different 00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:29.920 But at night we need spin to go make sure that work 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:33.199 reconfigured each day to support the campus 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:36.159 now we do have 00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:41.030 178 parking spaces that we've come into agreement out at 00:51:41.030 --> 00:51:41.920 Medical City 00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:43.960 and 00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.960 Certainly will work with DCTA as a part of this for 00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:52.179 Stationing bicycles at the locations for that work with DC 00:51:52.179 --> 00:51:52.360 TA 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:57.400 And so we are working to get further and further away from 00:51:57.400 --> 00:51:57.880 campus 00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:01.570 But we're going to count on spin to make sure they're in 00:52:01.570 --> 00:52:04.159 locations each day as the day begins 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:14.320 450 parking spaces out at the Medical City Hospital that 00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.599 that would be used by 00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.719 Students or faculty. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I misspoke Med 00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.239 Park. Yes. I'm sorry. I 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.780 Misspoke thank you, sir. Okay. Thank you 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:39.159 At this point, thank you so much 00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:45.440 Well, we were supposed to give staff direction 00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:48.639 Sure, sure 00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:53.300 You know, it's very comfortable here we can we can talk 00:52:53.300 --> 00:52:54.519 about many different things 00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:57.820 I do want to tell you the first thing at orientation. We 00:52:57.820 --> 00:52:59.500 asked the kids, please 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.809 Don't walk with your cell phone and take your earbuds out 00:53:02.809 --> 00:53:06.199 and quit stepping in front of bicycles and cars 00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:10.260 And so it is something that we work towards their safety to 00:53:10.260 --> 00:53:12.820 understand you you had to be aware of what's going on 00:53:12.820 --> 00:53:15.840 So I would welcome the opportunity to ensure 00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:18.719 the discussion of 00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:22.610 How we have a safe communication of transportation for 00:53:22.610 --> 00:53:26.119 bicycles is important and we will work towards that 00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:29.019 Well, the city actually has a bunch of bike safety broch 00:53:29.019 --> 00:53:34.320 ures and a whole box a large box full of giveaway 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:38.719 lights that can be attached to bicycles that blink and and 00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:42.489 Help help people see them at night. We will have 00:53:42.489 --> 00:53:43.079 approximately 00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:47.960 10,000 new students coming on campus and we welcome any 00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:53.030 Anything's that that we can to promote safety with bicycle. 00:53:53.030 --> 00:53:55.360 We'll have our people talk to your okay. Thank you. 00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:56.039 Appreciate it 00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.159 I'm just curious if that 00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:05.550 Notice is working better with the 18 to 22 year old 00:54:05.550 --> 00:54:08.159 demographic because it doesn't work with my 14 years 00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:11.239 What if what's working better the earbuds and look? 00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:15.539 Well, you know, I'm kind of it's hard to not consider your 00:54:15.539 --> 00:54:17.599 own personal experiences when you're up here 00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:20.239 I was a bike commuter in college. I mean I 00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:24.559 Loved my bike like that was I took care of it and I can't 00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:28.079 imagine abandoning a bike, but I don't know 00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.769 I guess different strokes different folks did your bike 00:54:30.769 --> 00:54:32.119 have a name? No 00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:34.360 I'm not weird 00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:39.530 Actually, my new bike has a name the white cloud so yeah, I 00:54:39.530 --> 00:54:40.360 am weird 00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:44.260 Well, I guess the question then becomes 00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:48.320 If I think what I'm getting from the interlocal discussion 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:48.880 is that 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.800 We don't necessarily have the ability to regulate something 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:54.679 that happens on state property 00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:57.559 But it would be beneficial to have a path forward even 00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:01.079 though you know, we're two separate entities and right 00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:02.760 It's you know, it's more 00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:05.360 As much as anything to outline the program 00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:09.679 What's expected of the University of North Texas and their? 00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:14.019 Logistics partner spin and then for you and T on our end to 00:55:14.019 --> 00:55:16.869 know what's expected of us in terms of what would be 00:55:16.869 --> 00:55:17.440 required 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.920 Obviously a permit would be required, but it but maybe the 00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:23.000 interlocal agreement would 00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:26.710 Wouldn't make that permit not necessary because you now 00:55:26.710 --> 00:55:29.480 have a separate agreement that outlines 00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:33.190 You know how we would how we would interface with the 00:55:33.190 --> 00:55:34.639 University of North Texas 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.929 So I guess the concern then it sounds like is well what 00:55:37.929 --> 00:55:40.360 happens if there's more than a hundred bikes at the city 00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:43.079 somewhere spread around the city 00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:47.019 From for when you roll out the 250 number 00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:51.500 I don't even know how we would well 00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.119 Madam chair, I think what we would do is maintain them 100 00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:58.800 in terms of being within the city of Denton right away 00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:01.789 And so that's ease that that's feasible. They can still 00:56:01.789 --> 00:56:03.139 station their their bikes 00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:07.320 whether there it's a regular spin bike or or a 00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:09.880 UNT branded by at 00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:13.170 DCTA or other points of interest just as long as that 00:56:13.170 --> 00:56:15.539 number doesn't go over a hundred now 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:18.199 Might that number go over a hundred between say? 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:21.840 530 to 8 p.m. At night 00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.159 Potentially, but what's that? What's that overall number? 00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.579 Maybe in the 10 to 20 percent over that number? 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.679 But certainly by 0 700 the next morning 00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:35.889 Sure, that's gonna be back down to an acceptable number of 00:56:35.889 --> 00:56:38.679 something a well less than 100 bikes 00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:41.500 Well, I'm okay with proceeding with interlocal or at least 00:56:41.500 --> 00:56:43.840 taking it up to council to have that discussion 00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:46.719 I think that that would be great direction because I think 00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:49.659 that that the interlocal agreement means that the city and 00:56:49.659 --> 00:56:50.900 that the City Council is 00:56:50.900 --> 00:56:53.719 Aware that they're gonna be actually more than a hundred 00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:54.039 bikes 00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:56.239 from that vendor 00:56:56.239 --> 00:56:58.760 potentially potentially but that that 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.639 There's an effort to to control that 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:06.190 And and then they're aware of it and and then if they're it 00:57:06.190 --> 00:57:10.679 appears that there's a need to make an adjustment in the 00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:12.400 ordinance itself 00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:15.159 That could be done 00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:16.760 either either 00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:20.070 When that interlocal agreement comes up or at a later time, 00:57:20.070 --> 00:57:23.039 right? I would expect that that the council would 00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:26.079 would be interested in bringing a a 00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:31.090 Quick work session item right as part of that as part of 00:57:31.090 --> 00:57:32.960 that discussion sometime in the May 00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:38.360 And they'll be even slower without two of the sharpest 00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:39.820 members going off council 00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:44.739 The we'll miss your leadership, I'm sure 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.119 You'll miss the the stupid stories 00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:52.820 One thing I would suggest is so so often. Here's one of the 00:57:52.820 --> 00:57:53.239 few things 00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:56.230 I've learned in nine years is that when council simply 00:57:56.230 --> 00:57:56.719 reacts 00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:01.920 To a situation or is doing it by reacting 00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:05.190 We tend to not maybe do as well and that we need to think 00:58:05.190 --> 00:58:07.039 in terms of what our goals are 00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:11.000 Every time that we make an action and for me when we're 00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:12.559 talking about about 00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:16.039 Bike share I 00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:19.880 Think that our goal is to allow for bike share as a 00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:21.880 transportation option 00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:25.239 for students and residents of the city of Denton 00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:31.300 But to allow it in a way that is respectful of private 00:58:31.300 --> 00:58:32.159 property and 00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.960 Does not interfere with other mobility options 00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:39.960 Particularly 00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:42.429 Interfering with pedestrian facilities in other words 00:58:42.429 --> 00:58:42.920 blocking 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:47.010 Sidewalks and things like that. So if we can if we can find 00:58:47.010 --> 00:58:47.880 a path forward 00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:50.980 That that that allows even more people to have the 00:58:50.980 --> 00:58:54.280 opportunity to participate in bike share program 00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:59.349 But do it in a way that's respectful private property 00:58:59.349 --> 00:58:59.920 respectful of 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:02.480 the right of ways I 00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:04.480 Think that everybody ends up winning 00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:09.920 and so if we can maybe keep those goals in mind and 00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:14.400 reference back to them and and and check and see if if if 00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:16.920 if those goals are 00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:21.369 The goals that the entire council or the consensus of 00:59:21.369 --> 00:59:24.920 council wants to work towards because it's easier for you 00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:25.320 guys to 00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:28.360 craft 00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:32.360 Policies if you know what what are the end goal is 00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:36.039 So if I'm understanding correctly 00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:39.469 We have direction on item C which is that we'd like to go 00:59:39.469 --> 00:59:42.219 ahead and have the interlocal agreement 00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:44.960 reviewed by City Council 00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:47.480 on item B I 00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:51.469 Hear you know a kind of broad like 30,000 foot view of the 00:59:51.469 --> 00:59:51.840 goals 00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:54.840 Are there any specific items? 00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:57.480 regarding the ordinance that 00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:02.510 I would recommend that that that we come back maybe that 01:00:02.510 --> 01:00:02.719 the 01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:08.219 this time next year that that it become a part of an agenda 01:00:08.219 --> 01:00:12.260 item for mobility or council to come back and review a 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.239 year's worth of experience on the campus and 01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:19.000 a 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:23.280 Review of the ordinance itself and if if the ordinance as 01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:26.599 it stands is appropriate if it needs to be adjusted 01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:31.679 if it needs to be changed from an ordinance that allows 01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:34.480 just any number of vendors to come to a 01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:40.739 Single a single source through a RFP 01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.969 You know, I think that that that this time next year there 01:00:45.969 --> 01:00:48.480 will be a lot more experience a lot more knowledge and 01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:51.639 Some decisions could be made 01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:55.440 Are you suggesting them that the existing pilot program 01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:56.760 which is a six month? 01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:02.230 Program that sunsets in the September 2018 time frame may 01:01:02.230 --> 01:01:03.300 be extended 01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:06.889 To the spring of 2019. You know, I don't I don't think we 01:01:06.889 --> 01:01:08.280 're gonna know anything 01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:12.400 but all we know by September of 2018 is that 01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:15.679 that the bikes bailed I 01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:18.739 Don't know that we're gonna get much more information 01:01:18.739 --> 01:01:20.320 between understood. Okay 01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:27.559 So definitely coming back with 01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:30.400 you know a follow-up on the interlocal in 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:35.400 A year's time as far as the actual ordinance itself. I mean 01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:37.760 , I'm trying to figure out exactly what 01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:41.320 Changes might need to be made and 01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:44.280 What I heard I think was data 01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:47.960 The bike corralling issue perhaps 01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:51.679 And bike caps 01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:55.829 I'm okay with sending that back up to council. It'll be a 01:01:55.829 --> 01:02:00.480 new council. I won't be there. It's the best of luck 01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:07.829 Can I ask a question of the committee so as far as the 01:02:07.829 --> 01:02:10.179 making potential amendments to the ordinance to 01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:13.480 Extended additional say till next spring 01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:17.889 We would need to bring this probably back to mobility just 01:02:17.889 --> 01:02:20.159 with those amendments and those suggested changes 01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:23.360 And then take it before the council, correct 01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:26.119 Just just making sure yeah 01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:30.099 I'm probably you know with I think the thing that I 01:02:30.099 --> 01:02:31.079 remember the 01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:34.369 most from our discussion was the intense interest in the 01:02:34.369 --> 01:02:35.599 bike corralling and 01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:38.400 Keeping the right-of-ways clear because it's not just for 01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:41.349 pedestrians. It's for people who have limited mobility to 01:02:41.349 --> 01:02:42.059 disabilities 01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:45.380 Or you know, they might trip on a bike 01:02:45.380 --> 01:02:48.429 I think somebody in Dallas actually did injure their ACL or 01:02:48.429 --> 01:02:51.349 something really horrible and it was somebody who was 01:02:51.349 --> 01:02:52.300 vision impaired 01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.369 So, I mean, I think we have obligation to keep those 01:02:55.369 --> 01:02:58.599 pathways clear. So with the understanding that you know 01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:03.099 The overarching direction is I think maintain is the same 01:03:03.099 --> 01:03:05.840 we have to keep right-of-ways clear and I think 01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:08.159 correct 01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:11.639 Holy wholeheartedly concur. I think one of the things we 01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:14.760 can do is staff is we can incorporate a informal staff 01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:16.039 report and when an upcoming 01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:18.969 Friday packet with this information knowing that North 01:03:18.969 --> 01:03:22.809 Texas is pursuing down this path with with the with that M 01:03:22.809 --> 01:03:23.840 OU and certainly 01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:26.639 Texas women's as well with with spin 01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.909 Incorporate those those points and an ISR and also lay out 01:03:30.909 --> 01:03:32.400 that in an upcoming 01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:35.079 mobility committee meeting will be bringing forward some 01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:37.440 recommended amendments to the ordinance because 01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:40.320 By the time September comes around the semester will have 01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:41.039 just started 01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:44.070 You're not gonna have a whole lot if you really much data 01:03:44.070 --> 01:03:46.079 to really get back to the city. So 01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:49.760 The path forward is to make the extension and then just see 01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:51.519 how that how that plays out 01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:54.699 And I think we we had a discussion about doing an RFP 01:03:54.699 --> 01:03:55.280 process 01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:58.039 I thought that that was a part of our 01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:01.800 Ordinance that there would be we would be looking into an 01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:04.960 RFP process at the end of the six at the end of the 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:07.280 Yeah 01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:08.519 Okay 01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:11.039 Yes, the one other thing is that when when there's a 01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:14.119 revisit at the mobility committee if we could have 01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:17.130 Representatives from UNT and TWA you here to kind of share 01:04:17.130 --> 01:04:20.639 with us their experience. I think that would that would be 01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:21.440 beneficial 01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:26.380 Thank you have your direction any other questions for us 01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:31.059 Not on this particular item. Okay, great. Well in that case 01:04:31.059 --> 01:04:32.679 , we'll move on to item D, which is 01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:36.119 Yes, may I suggest a take a couple of yeah, we'll take a 01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:39.079 little break so people can you don't want to hear all of 01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:39.199 our 01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:40.639 other business 01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:42.639 We'll take a five minute break 01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:50.710 Okay, we're back from our break we're gonna take these 01:04:50.710 --> 01:04:54.010 items a little bit out of order to accommodate mr. Pulsar 01:04:54.010 --> 01:04:54.639 schedule and 01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:58.760 Just because we're interested item F receive a report hold 01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:00.679 a discussion and make recommendation 01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:04.130 Make a recommendation regarding past and pending actions of 01:05:04.130 --> 01:05:04.559 the RTC 01:05:07.880 --> 01:05:09.880 So this is a follow-up from a 01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:13.159 well 01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:16.340 This is a follow-up from an item that was considered last 01:05:16.340 --> 01:05:16.719 month 01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:20.039 it's been an item in front of and that item is 01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:25.880 635 how to advance the 635 East project, which is a 01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:28.039 capacity project from 01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:34.079 US 75 East to I 30 and Mesquite so 01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:36.920 75 in Dallas to 01:05:37.760 --> 01:05:41.980 I30 and Mesquite and it's essentially adding additional 01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:47.889 Additional main lanes as well as the local or the regional 01:05:47.889 --> 01:05:50.320 plan is to add these 01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:54.719 Managed toll lanes which also help fund that so with that 01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:55.480 madam chair 01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:58.730 I can go up and walk through a presentation very quickly 01:05:58.730 --> 01:06:00.199 that was given at RTC and 01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:03.929 Then have mr. Pulsar kind of walk through some additional 01:06:03.929 --> 01:06:06.260 information that was just presented 01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:10.079 Within the last 24 to 48 hours that was not included in the 01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:12.039 backup material and as you know 01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:14.139 There is a special call meeting tomorrow 01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:16.440 Thursday 01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:21.710 The 19th a special call meeting of the RTC to consider this 01:06:21.710 --> 01:06:23.079 particular item 01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:27.840 So 01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:42.000 Again 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:45.650 Mark Nelson director of transportation. This is a 01:06:45.650 --> 01:06:48.860 presentation that was provided to the RTC last week at 01:06:48.860 --> 01:06:49.840 their normal 01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:52.480 regularly scheduled 01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:54.599 RTC meeting for April and 01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:57.989 Essentially what this presentation will show and I'm going 01:06:57.989 --> 01:06:59.719 to go through it very quickly 01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:03.960 It shows a handful of different options that were 01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:07.039 identified by RTC staff in terms of 01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:11.400 What what 01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:14.039 What are the different 01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:17.760 How might they be able to advance the project from a no- 01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:19.920 build scenario to a scenario? 01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:22.159 which 01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:26.860 RTC staff has has advocated from very very early on there's 01:07:26.860 --> 01:07:28.440 essentially 12 different options 01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:30.610 So with that I'm going to move through that very quickly. 01:07:30.610 --> 01:07:34.019 This information is in your backup. It's also then been put 01:07:34.019 --> 01:07:34.800 online 01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:39.989 So this again is a no-build again quickly just taking a 01:07:39.989 --> 01:07:42.559 look at it. It is from 75 here 01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:46.199 generally on the north easterly side of Dallas to 01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:48.960 Mesquite at 01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:53.000 I-30 and this is the existing conditions now. There's HOV 01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:54.599 lanes in there now 01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:58.119 They're told if you don't have X number of folks in your 01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:00.039 vehicle. So if you're not an HOV you get 01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:03.320 You get you get a toll. That's a critical point 01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:07.800 This corridor already has a toll-managed lane in it while 01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:11.159 we're asking to do is that a secondary toll-managed lane? 01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:13.519 the officials that we've met with 01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:18.229 To negotiate this issue. We're not even aware that there 01:08:18.229 --> 01:08:21.279 was currently a toll-managed lane in this corridor 01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:29.239 So this is option two it really just starts bringing 01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:29.859 forward 01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:34.180 how you might be able to do the overall project and 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:37.159 These are non toll in the middle not you go ahead and add 01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:39.279 the additional capacity additional 01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:44.520 general purpose lane in each direction and then adding the 01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:47.159 express toll lane down the middle two lanes in each 01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:50.039 direction just this express lane and 01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:53.770 This is those lanes will be free to travel on and they 01:08:53.770 --> 01:08:55.079 would have fewer 01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:57.840 entrances and exits and it's called an express lane and 01:08:57.840 --> 01:08:58.720 there's only one 01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:01.750 Express lane that exists in the entire state of Texas and 01:09:01.750 --> 01:09:05.319 that's the elevated section of 35 through Austin 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:09.140 So when you envision how this would work and you put a 01:09:09.140 --> 01:09:11.300 grade to whether it works well or not 01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:13.760 Imagine the elevated section of 35 in Austin 01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:20.340 Moving on to option three this essentially provides the 01:09:20.340 --> 01:09:21.439 additional 01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:24.600 Capacity in terms of a general purpose lane in each 01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:26.239 direction. However 01:09:27.159 --> 01:09:31.159 Here in the median it is not it's not developed 01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:34.539 So it essentially is a leaveout for a future decision to be 01:09:34.539 --> 01:09:35.520 made or funding 01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:39.510 to advance a project that may or may not come at some point 01:09:39.510 --> 01:09:40.520 down the road 01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:44.880 Fairly similar situation 01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:48.239 In option four 01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:51.970 And I guess the reason there's different options that all 01:09:51.970 --> 01:09:55.829 look alike from a cross-section is those are different ways 01:09:55.829 --> 01:09:56.560 of funding 01:09:57.359 --> 01:09:59.359 the 10 and 01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:02.199 2 frontage so the these cross sections be 01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:06.180 Concurrent to the options, but the options were different 01:10:06.180 --> 01:10:10.399 ways of funding a family of projects. There's like six 01:10:10.399 --> 01:10:11.399 families of projects 01:10:13.239 --> 01:10:14.689 Here's where it starts changing a little bit in this 01:10:14.689 --> 01:10:18.720 particular family where you're only doing a certain section 01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:21.520 basically from 01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:25.750 75 down to the Royal Miller intersection here and then you 01:10:25.750 --> 01:10:27.760 have a different you have a different 01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:32.880 option east of there to six to thirty so this 01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:36.359 Basically says in the original environmental assessment it 01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:39.560 called for toll manage lanes down to Royal Miller and 01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:43.380 Express lanes all the way down to 30 in this particular 01:10:43.380 --> 01:10:44.159 alternative 01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:47.250 You would build the toll manage lanes to Royal Miller and 01:10:47.250 --> 01:10:51.600 you leave blank leave it open in the green section 01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:54.789 So there would be no express lanes there to further 01:10:54.789 --> 01:10:55.319 decision 01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:03.439 So does the does this option option six the blue section 01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:08.239 Does that blue section pretty much resemble what we see to 01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:10.359 the west on 635? 01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:10.960 Yes, sir 01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:14.109 so what happens on 635 to the west of there is as you come 01:11:14.109 --> 01:11:14.680 into the 01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:18.770 LBJ Express corridor, it's got six lanes of toll manage 01:11:18.770 --> 01:11:21.039 lane three in each direction 01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:25.270 And so as you get closer to 75 it drops down to two four in 01:11:25.270 --> 01:11:26.520 each direction 01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:30.199 And then as you come around an existing 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:34.609 After you cross 75 it drops down to one. So it goes three 01:11:34.609 --> 01:11:37.680 two one what the blue segment in this would add 01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:41.060 additional two for a total of four 01:11:41.060 --> 01:11:45.779 So we'd continue that cross section from D&T over to 75 01:11:45.779 --> 01:11:47.680 which is the four toll management 01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:51.079 And those are toll managed lanes in the current 01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:54.199 north part of 635 that are 01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:58.300 Both directions all day long all day 24 hours and there's 01:11:58.300 --> 01:11:59.479 are going to be a point we talk about 01:11:59.960 --> 01:12:03.680 24 hours a day seven days a week for a reason and we'll get 01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:04.600 into that okay 01:12:07.319 --> 01:12:09.319 Option six John 01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:12.819 It's just an alternate way of being able to do the same 01:12:12.819 --> 01:12:15.640 thing because you'll see it says open median for future 01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:16.239 development 01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:18.880 So we would do the same thing as option six. It would just 01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:20.000 be funded differently 01:12:22.960 --> 01:12:26.260 Option eight same thing. It's a different alternative 01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:29.159 And here is where we get to it a different 01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:33.100 Scenario where we would build to Royal Miller the toll 01:12:33.100 --> 01:12:36.600 managed lanes and then from Royal Miller down 01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:39.199 We'd open them up and build them as an express lanes 01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:44.279 Okay in text that I mean cog would pay for the 01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:46.600 express lanes 01:12:46.600 --> 01:12:49.119 Text that would pay for I mean the toll managed lanes and 01:12:49.119 --> 01:12:50.439 text that would pay for the 01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:53.239 non-tolled express lanes 01:12:54.640 --> 01:12:58.399 This is the actual alternative that the 01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:01.479 RTC passed our 01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:05.239 Resolution last year is called 1701 01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:08.770 That says that we're going to told all four lanes all the 01:13:08.770 --> 01:13:13.039 way in 30 from 75 to 30 01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:16.720 and in doing that is 01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:22.720 Part of actually a funding scheme to pay for yes, sir 01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:25.789 We'll split those hairs in a minute in 711 is just simply 01:13:25.789 --> 01:13:28.840 another way of doing the same thing from a different to 01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:29.000 lling 01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:31.000 A different financing mechanism 01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:33.279 same insane 01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:37.319 And that's all we have on the okay on the documentation 01:13:37.319 --> 01:13:37.880 other than the 01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:41.000 so the the conversations that are 01:13:41.720 --> 01:13:44.880 Being had is is that there's about anywhere between 01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:49.210 355 million in a tiffy alone is needed to be able to do 01:13:49.210 --> 01:13:50.439 this alternative 01:13:52.359 --> 01:13:55.640 In order to do the tiffy alone the feds require you to toll 01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:56.960 the facility 01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:01.670 24 hours a day seven days a week they want the maximum 01:14:01.670 --> 01:14:03.199 amount of revenue 01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:06.680 underlying their loan 01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:11.470 If the state was willing to go ahead and pay the on top of 01:14:11.470 --> 01:14:14.039 the 300 million that we're asking for them go ahead and 01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:15.239 Pay the additional 01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:17.119 355 million 01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:21.289 The RTC could then turn around and only operate the toll 01:14:21.289 --> 01:14:24.720 managed lanes as a congestion management tool 01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:27.569 Which means it would be in the a.m. In the p.m. Peak 01:14:27.569 --> 01:14:31.319 periods the rest of those alternate times would be free 01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:35.390 Weekends would be free because you only want to use the 01:14:35.390 --> 01:14:38.920 toll component as a congestion management tool 01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:41.520 That's why even if they were willing to pay for it. The 01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:44.079 region doesn't want to give up and turn those into 01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:46.880 general purpose lanes because imagine 01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:49.920 you've got seven lanes of traffic because 01:14:50.159 --> 01:14:52.890 We'll get this with the conversation. We have a lieutenant 01:14:52.890 --> 01:14:54.880 governor. The question was why don't we 01:14:55.479 --> 01:14:58.409 Go ahead and just build all seven free lanes and let 01:14:58.409 --> 01:14:59.819 everybody drive where they want 01:14:59.880 --> 01:15:02.590 And the answer is is that everybody when you have seven 01:15:02.590 --> 01:15:04.520 lanes, they're gonna spread out into seven lanes 01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:07.329 You've got eight lanes will spread out into eight lanes and 01:15:07.329 --> 01:15:08.239 you don't have any 01:15:09.279 --> 01:15:12.020 differential movements through the corridor what these 01:15:12.020 --> 01:15:16.239 managed lanes do during congestion periods is act as a as a 01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:20.069 Pressure release valve and so what happens is you have a 01:15:20.069 --> 01:15:22.979 corridor that has a higher level of speed that can make it 01:15:22.979 --> 01:15:23.539 to that 01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:27.239 location quicker and faster and more predictable and 01:15:28.039 --> 01:15:30.800 Even when you don't drive on the managed lanes by having 01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:33.760 them there the general purpose lanes end up 01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:38.039 Increasing their travel time speed. So the information we 01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:39.000 have on 35 01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:43.819 North Terrain Express and LBJ is that the p.m. Peak and a.m 01:15:43.819 --> 01:15:44.439 . Peak period 01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:48.399 Lowest level of traffic speed average drops to 50 miles an 01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:51.340 hour from the posted 60 before they were introduced in 01:15:51.340 --> 01:15:52.079 those corridors 01:15:52.079 --> 01:15:55.510 They were into the 25 30 miles an hour. So even if you 01:15:55.510 --> 01:15:57.119 never take the toll lanes 01:15:57.680 --> 01:15:59.359 You're benefiting 01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:02.689 Second reason why we couldn't do this just turn them to 01:16:02.689 --> 01:16:05.600 seven GPS is because as a non-attainment area 01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:07.920 North Texas is required to 01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:10.739 Before they add any single occupant vehicle 01:16:11.399 --> 01:16:14.239 Capacity improvement they have to demonstrate that 01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:15.560 congestion management 01:16:16.279 --> 01:16:19.109 Alternatives don't exist. They clearly exist in this 01:16:19.109 --> 01:16:21.560 corridor by using the toll managed lanes 01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:24.399 And so we we would have to buck the feds on that 01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:29.420 So the last week there was a resolution that was going to 01:16:29.420 --> 01:16:31.640 be passed that basically says we're standing by our 01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:34.159 1701 policy for this alternative 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:37.850 because of air quality issues because of conformity because 01:16:37.850 --> 01:16:39.199 of federal law and 01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:42.250 Because it's with the will of the people in this corridor 01:16:42.250 --> 01:16:45.399 and then they come back and they describe exactly 01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:49.220 What it is by putting into words what that? 01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:50.960 exhibit 01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:52.960 Shows somewhere along the way 01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:56.369 The chairman of the RTC Rob Frankie had some conversations 01:16:56.369 --> 01:16:58.539 with the chairman of the Commission 01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:03.699 Chairman bug and he says hold off on the resolution for a 01:17:03.699 --> 01:17:04.039 week 01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:05.680 We need a little bit more time to work something out with 01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:06.159 the governor 01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:09.149 Wasn't really clear on what it was, but we found that 01:17:09.149 --> 01:17:11.859 afterwards that somewhere along the way bug and the 01:17:11.859 --> 01:17:12.720 governor realized 01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:15.109 There's already a toll managed lane operating in the 01:17:15.109 --> 01:17:15.600 corridor 01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:18.390 Right and so the compromise was going to be hey, we're 01:17:18.390 --> 01:17:20.840 going to let you go back with one 01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:23.359 and 01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:26.350 the reason the one toll managed lane doesn't work is 01:17:26.350 --> 01:17:26.880 because 01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:30.260 There are people that get into that toll managed lane and 01:17:30.260 --> 01:17:31.600 actually drive 01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:35.000 the speed limit on the general purpose side 01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:38.229 And the toll managed lane has a higher speed and if you get 01:17:38.229 --> 01:17:39.319 in and you're paying a toll 01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:42.449 And you're stuck behind somebody who's driving the same 01:17:42.449 --> 01:17:43.399 speed as the GP's 01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:46.600 You can't get around them and you can't get out for a while 01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:49.880 So it depresses the use of that corridor and so if you have 01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:50.239 two lanes 01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:52.859 We've seen that where you have alternate additional 01:17:52.859 --> 01:17:56.579 capacity those managed lanes get used more so 01:17:57.479 --> 01:17:59.729 Essentially they were going to try to get us to agree to 01:17:59.729 --> 01:18:03.199 just go back with what we had and there obviously that's 01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:03.760 not going to work 01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:05.760 for the region and so 01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:11.800 Chairman Frankie has made several calls to chairman bug 01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:16.050 Over the last Friday through today and they've not been 01:18:16.050 --> 01:18:19.560 returned a councilman climbing from city of Dallas. Who's 01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:20.239 you know 01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:23.909 Significantly impacted by this corridor has made multiple 01:18:23.909 --> 01:18:26.640 calls to the chairman. They have not been returned 01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:32.649 Commissioner each met with lieutenant governor Dan Patrick. 01:18:32.649 --> 01:18:35.279 I call lieutenant Dan and 01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:39.960 Patrick compared the managed lanes 01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:43.739 I mean the the managed lanes in North Texas to the lanes on 01:18:43.739 --> 01:18:47.079 the Katy freeway. He said the Katy freeway 01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:49.119 lanes 01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:51.119 Don't have anybody in them 01:18:51.319 --> 01:18:55.130 Well, Commissioner reads is a very astute human being but 01:18:55.130 --> 01:18:57.800 he's not an expert on transportation 01:18:57.800 --> 01:19:01.130 So he wasn't aware of the fact that what's on the Katy free 01:19:01.130 --> 01:19:04.720 way is an HOV lane is where the region was 20 years ago 01:19:05.079 --> 01:19:09.479 Right. Nobody uses an HOV lane. So he's comparing the Katy 01:19:09.479 --> 01:19:10.159 freeway 01:19:11.319 --> 01:19:14.239 Experience to what we have up here. So he's clueless on 01:19:14.239 --> 01:19:16.079 what told manage lanes are 01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:19.800 He doesn't he's not aware of the fact that can air quality 01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:20.939 conformity issues 01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:24.199 require the regions to do certain things and 01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:27.579 To do what the lieutenant governor wants will require us to 01:19:27.579 --> 01:19:30.119 violate federal law. And so 01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:32.680 We're gonna be drafting a letter for him 01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:36.300 And basically give back all the stuff that we put out in 01:19:36.300 --> 01:19:38.399 these presentations before 01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:43.279 The blue-collar worker as he calls them benefits if he 01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:44.020 never touches it 01:19:44.119 --> 01:19:47.140 There's air quality issues that we have to consider and the 01:19:47.140 --> 01:19:49.479 HOV lane truly doesn't work 01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:51.800 He's right and that's why we're building told manage length 01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:52.640 . And so we're gonna try to 01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:54.760 basically 01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:57.470 Put it in writing that he doesn't know what he's talking 01:19:57.470 --> 01:19:58.600 about and then move on 01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:01.680 And so tomorrow 01:20:02.119 --> 01:20:04.680 You're putting it in writing to educate him. I 01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:08.199 Thought that's what I said 01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:12.069 Well, see the answer the reason I didn't say it that way 01:20:12.069 --> 01:20:14.680 because I do not believe he's gonna be able to be educated 01:20:14.680 --> 01:20:18.920 Oh, and the reason is and this the reason is this is my 01:20:18.920 --> 01:20:19.979 opinion not yours 01:20:22.119 --> 01:20:25.770 Abbott and Patrick are looking at their political careers 01:20:25.770 --> 01:20:27.699 and Abbott's worried that Patrick's trying to get to the 01:20:27.699 --> 01:20:29.239 right of them and Patrick's trying 01:20:29.239 --> 01:20:31.720 To reward to make sure that he stays to the right for the 01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:32.479 next cycle 01:20:32.479 --> 01:20:34.800 And so in the conversation each the conversation we've had 01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:36.479 with the governor lieutenant governor 01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:39.039 They both asked what's what's the other guy doing? 01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:42.890 Right, and so they're they're vying against each other and 01:20:42.890 --> 01:20:46.399 has nothing to do with the policy. So 01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:50.520 We're gonna respond to check the box, but we don't think he 01:20:50.520 --> 01:20:52.340 's gonna learn anything from it 01:20:52.340 --> 01:20:55.479 So we just have to move forward and where I think the RTC 01:20:55.479 --> 01:20:56.600 is going tomorrow 01:20:57.000 --> 01:20:59.300 Is they're gonna affirm the resolution is originally 01:20:59.300 --> 01:21:02.659 written and I think that you're gonna hear a city of Dallas 01:21:02.659 --> 01:21:03.579 suggests that 01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:08.840 The state of Texas is usurping some of the federal 01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:12.359 authority that the RTC has and the only way to 01:21:14.279 --> 01:21:16.279 Resolve that is through 01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:18.840 litigation 01:21:19.239 --> 01:21:21.680 In federal court, yes, sir 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:28.680 So that's where I was last month could occur 01:21:30.640 --> 01:21:33.800 I'm really worried about the five million dollars a month 01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:38.380 project cost that's going up on the 635 project because 01:21:38.380 --> 01:21:40.039 litigation doesn't take a 01:21:40.520 --> 01:21:45.010 Month that takes 17 25 months may take so long to resolve 01:21:45.010 --> 01:21:47.199 they'll dig their heels in I 01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:51.159 Think we will win will prevail because they don't even have 01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:54.279 legislative authority to act the way that they're acting 01:21:54.960 --> 01:21:57.000 But it's a political move for them 01:21:57.560 --> 01:21:59.800 To behave this way as you mentioned 01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:03.359 So what happens to the 635 project in terms of the funding? 01:22:03.479 --> 01:22:06.189 because all of this goes I mean the reason the region the 01:22:06.189 --> 01:22:07.840 region is interested because 01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:12.689 All of our projects are tied to a large pot of money and it 01:22:12.689 --> 01:22:16.239 affects us indirectly or directly in the case of Dallas 01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:20.699 What happens when that money is being squandered while we 01:22:20.699 --> 01:22:21.319 're? 01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:24.079 You know trying to assert our authority 01:22:24.640 --> 01:22:26.279 so 01:22:26.279 --> 01:22:29.439 The fact that the project escalates in cost 01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:32.800 over time I 01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:34.800 Was arguing that that was a false 01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:38.140 argument to begin with because 01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:40.880 all projects 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:43.079 35w is a 1 billion dollar project 01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:46.880 By the time we get around actually doing what we're gonna 01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:47.520 do there 01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:51.239 It's gonna cost significantly more in the future than it is 01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:53.760 today every projects that way so I think 01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:57.159 That whoever proffered that argument up front 01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:01.159 Didn't think it through because nothing cost you 01:23:02.119 --> 01:23:03.840 less in the future 01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:08.000 So that's gonna occur on all projects the more danger we 01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.840 have is if we allow the state to come in and dictate 01:23:13.159 --> 01:23:16.890 What we know doesn't work for political reasons it'll start 01:23:16.890 --> 01:23:17.779 to impact 01:23:20.119 --> 01:23:23.369 Property taxes all those other issues and you'll end up 01:23:23.369 --> 01:23:24.420 being a war to the state 01:23:25.079 --> 01:23:28.970 And so the answer is the best the safest the safest path 01:23:28.970 --> 01:23:32.800 forward if we can't get them to do alternative 11 or 12 01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:36.090 Is the no build and leave it as it is until they come 01:23:36.090 --> 01:23:36.640 around? 01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:42.489 John I have appreciated you for my entire nine years in 01:23:42.489 --> 01:23:46.600 your frankness and I like your humor, too 01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:52.319 In this particular case I would say 01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:57.239 It may be helpful to dial back a little bit of the strong 01:23:57.239 --> 01:23:59.520 feelings that you have for this reason 01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:02.800 Whereas a lawsuit 01:24:03.279 --> 01:24:05.760 May eventually get us where we want to be 01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:11.920 Remember that when you talk about the political realities 01:24:13.640 --> 01:24:16.289 Both of the the the leaders and the governor and the 01:24:16.289 --> 01:24:18.239 lieutenant governor 01:24:19.239 --> 01:24:21.239 would probably embrace 01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:23.840 being sued by a 01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:26.800 Liberal big city 01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:30.039 In the in the federal government 01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:34.909 That that actually is part of their political narrative and 01:24:34.909 --> 01:24:38.319 I don't think that that serves as a I 01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:41.939 Mean it might finally get us where we want to be but I 01:24:41.939 --> 01:24:45.949 think in the process it plays it plays right into what they 01:24:45.949 --> 01:24:46.279 want 01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:49.359 So so I don't know I'm calling it back 01:24:52.840 --> 01:24:56.250 Be I'm gonna work on that I want you to be but well I like 01:24:56.250 --> 01:24:59.119 being I like hearing the unvarnished truth from you here 01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:03.800 But the person on the phone with the lieutenant governor 01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:07.949 wasn't the county judge of Dallas County, which is purple 01:25:07.949 --> 01:25:09.359 or blue 01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:11.760 It was the county commissioner 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:16.399 Reddish County on the in the region, right? 01:25:16.399 --> 01:25:20.279 And he's backed up by Colin and Rockwell County and coffee 01:25:20.279 --> 01:25:21.920 can switch all very red 01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:24.640 the 01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:27.659 Senator that was opposing this that actually has the 01:25:27.659 --> 01:25:29.960 project the Republican Party 01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:32.760 editorial convention passed a resolution 01:25:33.640 --> 01:25:36.729 Demanding toll-managed lanes, so we're not allowing City of 01:25:36.729 --> 01:25:37.800 Dallas or 01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:41.279 Any of the blue 01:25:41.960 --> 01:25:44.310 Colored folks have a conversation because they're that 01:25:44.310 --> 01:25:46.159 would play into their hands, right? 01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:49.880 My point to you is is that no build 01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:55.119 Puts the ball back on their court. Yeah as far as not 01:25:56.079 --> 01:25:57.159 performing 01:25:57.159 --> 01:25:59.699 So I don't know what I'm just saying that City of Dallas 01:25:59.699 --> 01:26:02.239 threw that out there. That's the next step 01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:04.760 I don't know if the RTC as a whole is gonna pick that up 01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:08.310 But the reality is there isn't gonna be any education of 01:26:08.310 --> 01:26:10.520 the governor lieutenant governor 01:26:10.640 --> 01:26:12.899 And the chairman of the commission is not even returning 01:26:12.899 --> 01:26:15.319 the call because it's not about the facts 01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:19.270 It's a political play sure and so I'm willing to just wait 01:26:19.270 --> 01:26:19.920 them out 01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:24.680 Because when I started this two things one Michael Morris 01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:28.479 was still the director of transportation back in 1991 01:26:29.479 --> 01:26:30.880 and 01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:33.880 Ann Richards, I think was governor then 01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:36.680 Governors and lieutenant governors come and go 01:26:37.520 --> 01:26:39.520 State reps state senators come and go 01:26:39.960 --> 01:26:44.659 The RTC is about as stable organization as you get and will 01:26:44.659 --> 01:26:46.960 outlast them too. So I'm not worried about 01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:51.409 These two guys or whoever their friends are I'm worried 01:26:51.409 --> 01:26:51.859 about RTC 01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:57.340 Selling their principles that will damage you drastically 01:26:57.340 --> 01:26:59.840 dip more to 635 in the future 01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:02.279 and so yeah, I'm 01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:05.380 I'll talk I'll tone it down and when I need to 01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:08.399 But I never know when that is 01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:16.680 Yes, sir 01:27:18.600 --> 01:27:23.359 Any other questions on the update on our TSA 01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:27.750 We can bring that I'm looking at the caption it says make 01:27:27.750 --> 01:27:32.100 recommendation regarding past and pending actions 01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:34.720 Of the RTC obviously we don't have time 01:27:35.439 --> 01:27:37.890 To get any type of direction from counsel, but we have the 01:27:37.890 --> 01:27:40.890 prior resolution that was passed which is in support of 01:27:40.890 --> 01:27:41.779 local control 01:27:42.319 --> 01:27:44.800 So I'm guessing I have to use my judgment if there's a vote 01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:53.640 First basically says support 1701. Yeah 01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:07.399 Are you not on 01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:12.119 If they can get the TIFI alone covered then 01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:15.729 There the region would then go back to because the policy 01:28:15.729 --> 01:28:17.920 says it's a congestion management tool 01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:21.390 The revenue helps but the congestion management is the key 01:28:21.390 --> 01:28:24.229 to what we're trying to get to if we can get them to pay 01:28:24.229 --> 01:28:24.479 because 01:28:24.479 --> 01:28:27.000 The lieutenant governor goes well, why don't we just paid 01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:29.079 you to build all that is toll as a free 01:28:29.260 --> 01:28:31.550 We would still need the ability to do the congestion 01:28:31.550 --> 01:28:34.699 management and if we can get somebody cover the TIFI alone 01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:38.180 Then we operate at four hours in the morning 01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:42.600 Four hours in the evening. So that's eight out of 24 and 01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:42.800 then 01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:46.229 Two days on the weekend are free. And so the majority of 01:28:46.229 --> 01:28:48.920 the time those manage lanes are operating 01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:51.399 They're free 01:28:52.279 --> 01:28:54.279 That's the compromise 01:28:56.279 --> 01:29:00.479 Okay, well I'll never understand why I 01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:04.279 Mean, it's it's complicated, but it's not rocket surgery 01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:06.279 so 01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:08.720 Yeah, I just don't understand 01:29:08.880 --> 01:29:10.880 People don't understand 01:29:11.359 --> 01:29:16.079 How tolls actually work, you know, it's a progressive form 01:29:16.079 --> 01:29:16.760 of taxation 01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:20.729 It's congestion management. It affects behavior. It affects 01:29:20.729 --> 01:29:21.239 air quality 01:29:22.439 --> 01:29:26.220 anyway, that's my one final point to just point reason why 01:29:26.220 --> 01:29:28.970 these people aren't really wanting to be educated is 01:29:28.970 --> 01:29:29.479 because 01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:33.520 when the conversation with lieutenant pat lieutenant 01:29:34.399 --> 01:29:36.399 governor Patrick 01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:39.489 Lieutenant governor Patrick would not allow Commissioner E 01:29:39.489 --> 01:29:42.060 ads to have anybody else on the phone staff wise 01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:45.689 But he had three other people on the phone with him to give 01:29:45.689 --> 01:29:49.039 him information. So he's not looking for 01:29:52.039 --> 01:29:55.300 The answer he's looking for the his answer 01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:58.380 and so it was it was very it was enlightening because I 01:29:58.380 --> 01:30:00.119 think Commissioner Eads was 01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:02.800 still thinking that there was a 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:06.119 Statesman involved in this scenario. He's no longer 01:30:07.000 --> 01:30:09.000 suffering from that illusion 01:30:10.439 --> 01:30:14.079 On our next item for today we have item G 01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:16.920 Receive a report hold a discussion and provide direction 01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:20.340 Regarding text dots on system projects in the done area to 01:30:20.340 --> 01:30:23.579 include 35e and you can go fast on this one 01:30:24.600 --> 01:30:28.319 Three items real quick. Okay, I was gonna say rather than 01:30:28.319 --> 01:30:29.960 bring those up as we've done in the past 01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:32.479 He's gonna just yeah, just do the highlights because the 01:30:32.479 --> 01:30:34.300 information is in the backup as well as online 01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:38.840 So the major issues that we're dealing with right now is we 01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:41.600 are meeting I think next week again 01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:45.859 But we meet regularly every two weeks or so on 2181 and 01:30:45.859 --> 01:30:47.039 some of these other projects 01:30:47.039 --> 01:30:50.760 But 2181 we have some utility conflicts that we're working 01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:51.039 through 01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:54.739 Everybody's got the shoulder to the wheel and we're trying 01:30:54.739 --> 01:30:57.600 to resolve those utility conflicts 01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:00.449 But those utility conflicts have a potential to impact the 01:31:00.449 --> 01:31:03.539 schedule and so that's why it's critical that we stay on 01:31:03.539 --> 01:31:04.260 top of that 01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:08.550 Second good news Union Pacific Railroad. It only took us 01:31:08.550 --> 01:31:10.960 ten years. They have signed the agreement 01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:13.520 Oh, so we are done and done the 01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:18.050 Project will let in July. It's fully funded and we're ready 01:31:18.050 --> 01:31:20.960 to go on that and again on that topic before 01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:25.220 We let the contractor go to work and after it's awarded and 01:31:25.220 --> 01:31:27.199 we know who the contractor is the number of hours 01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:31.449 In the number of days we will set up a public outreach with 01:31:31.449 --> 01:31:32.880 the communities along 01:31:33.359 --> 01:31:35.439 277 to make sure they understand what's about to happen 01:31:36.880 --> 01:31:42.859 And then 2499 section 5 it is essentially open at Robinson 01:31:42.859 --> 01:31:44.000 now one lane in each direction 01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:46.899 We did it as a stop condition again, the signal is driving 01:31:46.899 --> 01:31:47.399 the schedule 01:31:47.520 --> 01:31:50.529 but I think open it up to one lane in each direction has 01:31:50.529 --> 01:31:52.640 pulled some of the pressure off of 01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:55.640 the folks and I think we're 01:31:56.439 --> 01:31:59.180 We're good there your 35 Mayhill 01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:02.369 Prinker project you notice that we've been changing lanes 01:32:02.369 --> 01:32:03.319 out on the main lanes 01:32:04.119 --> 01:32:07.520 In the last week or so the bridge demo, I think went fairly 01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:07.760 well 01:32:07.760 --> 01:32:11.310 I was out and around Saturday and I didn't see a whole lot 01:32:11.310 --> 01:32:12.920 of trauma, but that's done 01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:16.659 And so we're got to work on the schedule because they're 01:32:16.659 --> 01:32:20.520 still saying December and we're still saying 01:32:21.479 --> 01:32:23.479 October and that's when 01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:28.079 Buckeyes is telling us they'll be open in October in 01:32:28.079 --> 01:32:28.520 October 01:32:29.960 --> 01:32:33.760 So that's that's why we need to stay on top of that one 01:32:36.479 --> 01:32:37.720 Yes 01:32:37.720 --> 01:32:40.720 Madame chair, I would just also let you know that we've we 01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:42.520 've been in in conversation with 01:32:43.159 --> 01:32:44.479 Texta 01:32:44.479 --> 01:32:46.560 Denton area office to see if there's some other 01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:50.659 Traffic mitigation options in terms of some additional sign 01:32:50.659 --> 01:32:54.659 age along the frontage roads and some right-hand turn lanes 01:32:54.659 --> 01:32:56.560 along Dallas Drive to help 01:32:57.199 --> 01:32:59.960 the local traffic while the on ramp 01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:05.539 specifically the northbound on ramp just north of 288 since 01:33:05.539 --> 01:33:08.479 that's going to be down for a minimum of five months 01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:11.859 so I think that's going to continue to create some 01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:15.680 traffic congestion and anything that we can do whether it's 01:33:16.760 --> 01:33:19.520 enhancements to signalization some advanced warning signs 01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:20.760 turn lanes 01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:24.310 So and so forth. That's what we're trying to work with the 01:33:24.310 --> 01:33:25.520 text local office 01:33:26.640 --> 01:33:30.640 And I appreciate you. I requested some additional signs for 01:33:31.479 --> 01:33:34.529 The reduced lanes over by Mayhill and they were really 01:33:34.529 --> 01:33:36.199 quick. I think they went up this morning 01:33:36.199 --> 01:33:39.270 So I requested it yesterday day before so not to put too 01:33:39.270 --> 01:33:40.640 fine a point on it, but 01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:43.520 it's incumbent upon me to 01:33:43.600 --> 01:33:47.680 to give you one warner caution on this is that 01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:52.239 To the extent that we toy a lot with the traffic control 01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:54.880 that that OHL has we give them an excuse 01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:58.229 Right to miss their deadline. So we I know we got to 01:33:58.229 --> 01:33:58.899 address it 01:33:58.899 --> 01:34:02.260 But as we do it, we just need to do it in a manner that 01:34:02.260 --> 01:34:04.359 doesn't give them a chance to well 01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:07.039 I hope a sign doesn't you'd be surprised really? 01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:10.239 Okay, Wow 01:34:10.239 --> 01:34:12.340 Learn something watching that I just wanted you to know 01:34:12.340 --> 01:34:13.500 that okay that 01:34:14.039 --> 01:34:16.260 If it doesn't happen as quickly as you wanted to sometimes 01:34:16.260 --> 01:34:19.399 because we have to negotiate the impacts. I see okay 01:34:19.479 --> 01:34:21.359 Well, that's good to know 01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:23.810 Spread the word. Okay. Well, you're free to go John. Thank 01:34:23.810 --> 01:34:24.760 you. Appreciate it 01:34:26.279 --> 01:34:31.060 Yeah, thanks John try to keep that blood pressure low 01:34:34.479 --> 01:34:36.989 We're gonna jump back to item D which is consider a 01:34:36.989 --> 01:34:37.560 resolution 01:34:38.199 --> 01:34:40.199 of the City Council of the city of Denton 01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:42.930 appointing a primary and alternate member as official 01:34:42.930 --> 01:34:43.840 voting reps to the 01:34:44.199 --> 01:34:48.039 North Texas cog RTC and providing an effective date and 01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:49.880 this is to replace my seat 01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:52.079 Since I'll be rolling off 01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:55.399 Correct so 01:34:55.399 --> 01:34:58.079 It's my part to mention with her 01:34:59.159 --> 01:35:03.430 Vacating the position and we've been requested to go ahead 01:35:03.430 --> 01:35:06.659 and advance or staff has been requested to go ahead and 01:35:06.659 --> 01:35:07.239 advance 01:35:09.119 --> 01:35:12.720 Councilmember Ryan as who is the current alternate 01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:16.560 Move him forward as or at least 01:35:17.760 --> 01:35:19.760 prepare a resolution that would 01:35:20.840 --> 01:35:23.140 nominate him or appoint him as the 01:35:23.760 --> 01:35:26.829 As the primary representative there's some other options as 01:35:26.829 --> 01:35:29.760 to how you address the alternate position here 01:35:29.960 --> 01:35:31.960 So I did I kind of jump in for just a second 01:35:32.319 --> 01:35:34.649 Councilwoman Briggs did express to me that she'd like to be 01:35:34.649 --> 01:35:36.760 the alternate. So I wanted to advance that 01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:41.899 Well, if what we need is do we need a vote today to move 01:35:41.899 --> 01:35:44.300 this to council? Yes 01:35:44.840 --> 01:35:48.220 That's correct. We've got it. I would move to 01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:52.899 The resolution as it is to go to council and then council 01:35:52.899 --> 01:35:57.399 can add the alternate. Okay, so that's my motion 01:35:57.600 --> 01:36:00.119 All right. I'll second that and all in favor 01:36:01.439 --> 01:36:03.300 Pass unanimously 01:36:03.300 --> 01:36:05.369 Sorry to interrupt you. Do you want to go ahead and explain 01:36:05.369 --> 01:36:07.319 the alternates that we have or do you want to explain it to 01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:07.600 ? 01:36:07.600 --> 01:36:09.159 the full council I 01:36:09.159 --> 01:36:13.050 Can do that real quick here. Yeah, so in terms of the 01:36:13.050 --> 01:36:15.319 alternate options in the past 01:36:16.239 --> 01:36:20.479 We've had both city of Denton elected officials 01:36:20.479 --> 01:36:23.909 So that's one of the other items is because we've appointed 01:36:23.909 --> 01:36:25.140 an elected official 01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:28.710 The alternate must be an elected official now. The question 01:36:28.710 --> 01:36:30.840 is whether that's an elected official from 01:36:32.439 --> 01:36:35.229 City of Denton or could it be from one of the cluster 01:36:35.229 --> 01:36:37.949 cities which we represent and again just as a reminder and 01:36:37.949 --> 01:36:38.840 it's in the backup 01:36:39.039 --> 01:36:42.960 The city of Denton represents the city of Denton RTC seat 01:36:43.840 --> 01:36:47.119 represents a cluster of cities to meet population levels 01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:50.439 as set forth in the bylaws and those cities are 01:36:51.319 --> 01:36:53.319 Moving from the south would be Lake Dallas 01:36:53.640 --> 01:36:57.420 Corinth and then Sanger to the north a community needs to 01:36:57.420 --> 01:37:01.180 be at least 5,000 population to be represented on RTC 01:37:01.180 --> 01:37:03.180 So there's a number of different 01:37:03.180 --> 01:37:07.350 Seats on the RTC that are cluster cities or whereby there's 01:37:07.350 --> 01:37:08.199 more than one 01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:11.520 municipality represented by a single seat now 01:37:13.239 --> 01:37:15.920 The RTC has has encouraged 01:37:17.239 --> 01:37:20.220 Sharing the seats among those different cities 01:37:20.960 --> 01:37:24.579 an important point with the city of Denton RTC seat is that 01:37:25.159 --> 01:37:27.760 because the 1990 census when 01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:32.720 The city was over 50,000 population. We were awarded 01:37:34.039 --> 01:37:37.680 We were established as an urbanized area and therefore 01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:41.710 Eligible or required them to create an MPO metropolitan 01:37:41.710 --> 01:37:43.000 planning organization 01:37:43.000 --> 01:37:46.189 Rather than having all the additional overhead big of 01:37:46.189 --> 01:37:48.039 creating said MPO 01:37:49.720 --> 01:37:53.840 We elected to join the North Central Texas Council of 01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:55.079 Governments and so 01:37:55.720 --> 01:37:58.159 As such we have a seat 01:37:59.319 --> 01:38:02.640 That is really owned more or less by the city of Denton 01:38:02.920 --> 01:38:06.119 McKinney is in the same scenario as is the city of Louis 01:38:06.119 --> 01:38:08.840 ville and so each of those cities also 01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:11.680 represent cluster cities, but they typically 01:38:13.039 --> 01:38:15.039 Hold the seat for their 01:38:16.239 --> 01:38:19.500 For their RTC representative from their respective councils 01:38:19.500 --> 01:38:21.399 and then from time to time 01:38:22.119 --> 01:38:26.000 They will appoint an alternate that that might serve in 01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:26.460 fact 01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:31.750 Back in the early believe 2012 to 2013 timeframe former 01:38:31.750 --> 01:38:35.770 mayor of Highland Village when we represented Highland 01:38:35.770 --> 01:38:36.479 Village 01:38:37.159 --> 01:38:40.810 Was the alternate for the city of Denton so that that is 01:38:40.810 --> 01:38:41.840 also an option 01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:44.329 I just wanted to make sure that that was clear and also the 01:38:44.329 --> 01:38:44.920 reason why 01:38:46.279 --> 01:38:48.729 In the past the city of Denton has really pretty much held 01:38:48.729 --> 01:38:49.539 the primary 01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:53.060 RTC position just to reiterate that so it 01:38:54.159 --> 01:38:56.159 transfer of information if you will 01:38:56.560 --> 01:38:58.560 Okay, thank you 01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:01.000 So next item is 01:39:01.640 --> 01:39:03.399 Out of order here 01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:06.020 It's item E receive a report hold a discussion and make a 01:39:06.020 --> 01:39:08.279 recommendation to the Dunn City Council requesting 01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:11.920 DCTA to dedicate annual funding and the amount of two 01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:14.560 hundred fifty thousand to enhance passenger amenities 01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:16.880 I thought we already did this at the council level 01:39:18.319 --> 01:39:20.770 Do we need to do it here too? I mean we can that's fine. I 01:39:20.770 --> 01:39:23.399 just thought it was already done. I 01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:29.479 Think then tent was excuse me. It was when was brought up 01:39:29.479 --> 01:39:30.199 by 01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:33.279 Mr. When mr. Klein came and visited with council 01:39:33.279 --> 01:39:35.729 I know there was a directive by council to incorporate that 01:39:35.729 --> 01:39:37.000 those additional amenities 01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:39.989 I thought that what we were thinking of staff is to bring 01:39:39.989 --> 01:39:42.800 forward the item to mobility 01:39:43.079 --> 01:39:46.149 To then take formal action so a resolution could be 01:39:46.149 --> 01:39:49.079 considered by the full council to basically 01:39:49.680 --> 01:39:53.399 Just formalize the request. I think madam chair one of the 01:39:53.399 --> 01:39:55.640 other items was is the number of two hundred and 01:39:57.439 --> 01:40:00.569 Number of two hundred and fifty thousand was was given but 01:40:00.569 --> 01:40:02.399 at the same time the I 01:40:03.399 --> 01:40:06.069 Guess staff's understanding was this would provide an 01:40:06.069 --> 01:40:09.750 opportunity to discuss if 250 is the correct number if you 01:40:09.750 --> 01:40:11.159 wanted to consider another number 01:40:11.279 --> 01:40:13.720 if not, we'll still we've got it set for 01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:18.460 We've got a teed up for council action on the 24th. So 01:40:18.460 --> 01:40:19.680 whatever your pleasure is 01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:21.750 We've we've got it listed right now at two hundred and 01:40:21.750 --> 01:40:22.520 fifty thousand 01:40:25.039 --> 01:40:29.960 Well, I'm okay, I don't know what the right number is 01:40:32.159 --> 01:40:34.159 What I would 01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:37.800 I'd like I'd like to to a little more 01:40:39.479 --> 01:40:41.659 Certainty that that number really reflects what it would 01:40:41.659 --> 01:40:45.119 take on a year-to-year basis to 01:40:46.199 --> 01:40:50.210 To address the needs, you know is do we need more is is 01:40:50.210 --> 01:40:52.279 that really too much? 01:40:55.119 --> 01:40:58.039 And I don't know where to get the answer on that 01:40:59.479 --> 01:41:01.789 That's part of what I requested when we had our DCT a 01:41:01.789 --> 01:41:04.289 meeting was kind of to figure out the process that they 01:41:04.289 --> 01:41:04.640 have 01:41:04.640 --> 01:41:08.189 of how they put in passenger amenities how it's determined 01:41:08.189 --> 01:41:08.920 what's put in and 01:41:09.439 --> 01:41:13.159 You know without that process in place on their part, which 01:41:13.159 --> 01:41:14.920 they don't have that process in place 01:41:14.920 --> 01:41:17.760 I feel like we're not going to be able to reach a number 01:41:17.760 --> 01:41:19.680 you just kind of have to pick a number that 01:41:19.800 --> 01:41:22.920 Seems reasonable and then dial it back if it's too much 01:41:23.439 --> 01:41:26.460 Ramp it up, but they need a chance to develop their process 01:41:26.460 --> 01:41:28.239 and without some direction from us 01:41:28.239 --> 01:41:31.329 I don't think that they will with with that understanding 01:41:31.329 --> 01:41:32.619 if I may I hope I'm not 01:41:33.279 --> 01:41:36.189 Coloring outside the lines, but I think moving forward with 01:41:36.189 --> 01:41:38.020 the two hundred and fifty thousand number 01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:42.050 Would be appropriate whether they embrace that full two 01:41:42.050 --> 01:41:43.279 hundred and fifty thousand 01:41:43.279 --> 01:41:46.369 I think what you'll find out is that the request will go to 01:41:46.369 --> 01:41:48.560 DCTA. They're starting their budget process 01:41:49.359 --> 01:41:52.560 much like the city of Denton is and as they as that moves 01:41:52.560 --> 01:41:53.920 forward through their 01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:57.279 their budget process and decision 01:41:58.239 --> 01:42:01.100 You know matrices they will identify 01:42:01.819 --> 01:42:04.720 What number is is correct feasible? 01:42:05.359 --> 01:42:07.640 It may not be the two hundred and fifty thousand 01:42:07.640 --> 01:42:10.090 It may be two fit two hundred and fifty thousand for for 01:42:10.090 --> 01:42:12.760 year one and two and then it may back off to something 01:42:12.760 --> 01:42:13.779 substantially left 01:42:14.159 --> 01:42:17.060 But that's really probably something that would be a 01:42:17.060 --> 01:42:20.239 request made by this council and a contributing member city 01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:22.409 And that they would formulate a policy based on that 01:42:22.409 --> 01:42:25.640 request given that information. I move that we 01:42:26.600 --> 01:42:28.600 Forward this resolution on the council 01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:37.479 Item H staff reports I didn't miss anything today 01:42:40.439 --> 01:42:41.920 So 01:42:41.920 --> 01:42:44.199 Very quickly. There's some backup material 01:42:45.000 --> 01:42:47.840 Outlining what we've listed as public meetings. We've misst 01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:49.880 ated that those are actually public hearings 01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:53.119 And so we've got public hearing for 35w 01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:57.699 Tomorrow evening there's public meetings later this week 01:42:57.699 --> 01:43:01.000 for next week for 380 and then a public meeting is taken 01:43:01.319 --> 01:43:05.550 Public hearing is taking place today for DCTA. Actually, I 01:43:05.550 --> 01:43:07.239 will be heading over there later this afternoon 01:43:07.239 --> 01:43:09.539 That's from three to seven over at the Transit Center if 01:43:09.539 --> 01:43:10.960 you want to weigh in on any of their 01:43:12.399 --> 01:43:15.000 Any other proposed service changes, so 01:43:16.279 --> 01:43:18.279 That's what you have there 01:43:18.520 --> 01:43:20.850 Councilmember Briggs had requested some information on the 01:43:20.850 --> 01:43:23.319 federal budget. I've included some in for backup 01:43:23.319 --> 01:43:23.439 information 01:43:24.960 --> 01:43:27.399 That was provided to us from our consultants from 01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:30.239 Washington DC Capitol Edge 01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:33.510 So if there's some specific questions on that we'd be happy 01:43:33.510 --> 01:43:36.319 to come back on and address those or we could set up a 01:43:36.319 --> 01:43:37.119 conference 01:43:37.119 --> 01:43:40.779 Call and handle those specific questions with the with the 01:43:40.779 --> 01:43:42.800 consultant what I will tell you is that 01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:46.220 That particular proposal from the administration is not 01:43:46.220 --> 01:43:48.079 really gaining much traction 01:43:48.720 --> 01:43:52.229 Which was the request that I understood from Councilmember 01:43:52.229 --> 01:43:56.079 Briggs on the the switch from 80/20 federal local to the 01:43:56.199 --> 01:43:58.779 20/80 in terms of the federal government trying to stretch 01:43:58.779 --> 01:43:59.720 their dollar further 01:44:01.920 --> 01:44:03.920 Moving on to 01:44:04.760 --> 01:44:07.520 To the new business matrix we can walk through that 01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:14.750 Let me see if there are any questions do you have any 01:44:14.750 --> 01:44:17.119 particular questions about the new business matrix I 01:44:17.920 --> 01:44:20.850 Don't either and it seems like several of these are council 01:44:20.850 --> 01:44:22.640 member Briggs. Well one of them 01:44:23.760 --> 01:44:27.119 That you haven't addressed so the rest are all yours 01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:32.409 So I think if we don't have any questions, you just want to 01:44:32.409 --> 01:44:35.600 touch the highlights that's fine 01:44:36.319 --> 01:44:39.359 Correct. Okay, so hitting hitting on number 01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:42.880 Five, I think we've covered that clear that 01:44:43.960 --> 01:44:45.399 DCTA passenger amenities 01:44:45.399 --> 01:44:47.680 I think we can clear that now in terms of once we move 01:44:47.680 --> 01:44:49.800 forward with the resolution 01:44:51.640 --> 01:44:54.270 This one item seven or regarding protected bike lanes and 01:44:54.270 --> 01:44:56.399 changes since the plan was 01:44:57.359 --> 01:45:01.010 Implemented as stated here bike and ped operations or 01:45:01.010 --> 01:45:03.359 traffic engineer will cover that at the May meeting 01:45:04.479 --> 01:45:07.840 Covered the item eight in terms of the funding 80/20 split 01:45:07.840 --> 01:45:09.880 the Arlington Transit report 01:45:11.800 --> 01:45:14.310 We've got some information on that we just weren't in 01:45:14.310 --> 01:45:15.720 position to to present that 01:45:16.359 --> 01:45:19.250 In a hole at this particular meeting and plus there's a 01:45:19.250 --> 01:45:20.399 handful of items on this agenda 01:45:20.399 --> 01:45:23.239 So we'll bring that forward and so maybe that's something 01:45:23.239 --> 01:45:26.319 that councilmember Gregory can watch from home next time 01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:33.560 Update on the downtown narrow streets item 10 that's been 01:45:33.560 --> 01:45:35.159 assigned to traffic engineering 01:45:35.159 --> 01:45:38.460 I don't quite have a date yet on that likewise with the 01:45:38.460 --> 01:45:40.239 musical roadways, I think 01:45:41.800 --> 01:45:44.220 City engineer was going to touch base with you on that 01:45:44.220 --> 01:45:45.039 particular item 01:45:46.520 --> 01:45:49.399 So with that I'll take any questions or on that particular 01:45:49.399 --> 01:45:54.579 item if that takes any staff time or funding just drop it 01:46:02.079 --> 01:46:05.829 If the committee would mind just for a few moments on item 01:46:05.829 --> 01:46:08.699 number four on the Hickory Street improvements 01:46:08.699 --> 01:46:10.930 We'd like to give you a quick update on where we are on 01:46:10.930 --> 01:46:12.119 that won't take very long 01:46:14.239 --> 01:46:17.720 Is that the are those the streetscape enhancements that 01:46:17.720 --> 01:46:20.060 were paid for out of the TIF no 01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:24.090 These are the the potential adding the sidewalks or moving 01:46:24.090 --> 01:46:27.039 the sidewalks and the distresses the west side of Hickory 01:46:27.359 --> 01:46:31.520 Moving the sidewalks along with the lighting to match West 01:46:31.520 --> 01:46:31.880 Oak 01:46:35.760 --> 01:46:38.720 So just to give you a broad overview of the project 01:46:38.720 --> 01:46:41.479 This is the one where we have water wastewater and streets 01:46:41.479 --> 01:46:44.050 crews working on Hickory from Bonnie Bray back over to 01:46:44.050 --> 01:46:44.479 Carol 01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:47.380 Currently you've got water and waste while water is 01:46:47.380 --> 01:46:50.380 complete wastewater is nearly complete streets. If you look 01:46:50.380 --> 01:46:51.479 at where it's kind of shaded green 01:46:51.479 --> 01:46:53.479 That's about where we're wrapping up right now 01:46:54.159 --> 01:46:58.000 Around North Texas Boulevard moving on to the next segment 01:46:58.000 --> 01:46:59.680 that will take us Avenue C 01:47:00.399 --> 01:47:02.000 following this 01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:06.220 So part of the discussion for the lights is actually taking 01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:10.680 Lights on the north side of Hickory they exist on the south 01:47:10.680 --> 01:47:11.399 side today 01:47:11.840 --> 01:47:14.390 pedestrian level lights not full street lights pedestrian 01:47:14.390 --> 01:47:15.039 level lights 01:47:15.800 --> 01:47:18.250 putting street light are putting special level lights on 01:47:18.250 --> 01:47:20.399 the north side of Hickory from Welch all the way over to 01:47:20.520 --> 01:47:23.489 Carol so that you get a similar look on both sides and just 01:47:23.489 --> 01:47:25.680 you've seen this before oak 01:47:25.760 --> 01:47:28.649 You've got the lights that look like this a pedestrian 01:47:28.649 --> 01:47:31.380 level lights on both sides and Hickory 01:47:31.380 --> 01:47:33.359 You only have it on one side 01:47:33.359 --> 01:47:37.079 So part of what we've looked at here is what would the 01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:39.779 overall project cost additions be? 01:47:40.399 --> 01:47:42.399 potentially there is some 01:47:42.640 --> 01:47:45.199 Marriage of the two projects because we would be narrowing 01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:47.159 a little bit of the roadway 01:47:47.159 --> 01:47:49.750 We'd still retain the bike lanes still retain parking still 01:47:49.750 --> 01:47:52.439 have to travel lanes through there, but the road was a 01:47:52.439 --> 01:47:53.439 little bit wider 01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:57.640 So we would alleviate some of the cost that we put for 01:47:58.079 --> 01:48:00.800 Asphalt and we would just offset it with cost for moving 01:48:00.800 --> 01:48:02.399 the sidewalk some other issues 01:48:03.159 --> 01:48:06.039 What we're looking for right now to really get any idea of 01:48:06.039 --> 01:48:09.619 what we're dealing with long term as far as what what are 01:48:09.619 --> 01:48:10.520 the details? 01:48:10.520 --> 01:48:13.359 What are the impacts to individual property owners to 01:48:13.359 --> 01:48:14.600 actually put this in the ground? 01:48:14.600 --> 01:48:17.210 We really need to engage a consultant and we need to get 01:48:17.210 --> 01:48:20.260 that person on board to really get into the fine details of 01:48:20.319 --> 01:48:23.369 How much grading do we have to do? What are the ADA impacts 01:48:23.369 --> 01:48:24.840 when we move this sidewalk? 01:48:24.840 --> 01:48:27.789 Do we have retaining walls that need to be shifted or moved 01:48:27.789 --> 01:48:29.539 or do they go away altogether? 01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:31.720 All those things need to be looked at in greater detail 01:48:32.479 --> 01:48:35.119 To the best of what we can figure at this point you can 01:48:35.119 --> 01:48:38.180 anticipate about 75 to 80 thousand dollars going into 01:48:38.180 --> 01:48:38.979 design fees 01:48:39.319 --> 01:48:42.369 We do have some options to look at for where we could fund 01:48:42.369 --> 01:48:44.880 that but that would be the first step if it's something you 01:48:44.880 --> 01:48:47.770 Still want to go forward with looking at is putting those 01:48:47.770 --> 01:48:50.279 pedestrian lights on the north side of Hickory 01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:56.529 Well, we're gonna I mean you want direction now because it 01:48:56.529 --> 01:48:59.020 's under new business, I'm not sure we're just trying to 01:48:59.020 --> 01:49:00.319 give you some ideas to 01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:04.279 Consider we do have a pathway forward. We have an active 01:49:04.279 --> 01:49:06.199 Merchant's Association out there 01:49:06.199 --> 01:49:08.680 That's continuing to push us for this direction 01:49:09.159 --> 01:49:11.899 And we just need to get some idea of where you'd like us to 01:49:11.899 --> 01:49:12.079 go 01:49:12.079 --> 01:49:15.909 We could come back with an item that goes with the design 01:49:15.909 --> 01:49:18.960 of it or we could go something a code different direction 01:49:18.960 --> 01:49:20.960 If that's where you chose 01:49:21.000 --> 01:49:23.220 Thank you. I would recommend that you 01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:28.020 T this up for a work session to get direction from Council 01:49:30.079 --> 01:49:32.079 As you do it you might also 01:49:32.399 --> 01:49:35.810 If you if you have the possibility, I may not be able to do 01:49:35.810 --> 01:49:36.960 it without design 01:49:38.039 --> 01:49:40.039 Talk a little bit to them about 01:49:41.279 --> 01:49:43.729 How wide the sidewalk would be and how close the sidewalk 01:49:43.729 --> 01:49:45.060 would be to the curb? 01:49:45.359 --> 01:49:48.000 Because I know that those are issues for pedestrians. 01:49:48.000 --> 01:49:51.380 Absolutely. Okay, but I think I think move it on to 01:49:52.319 --> 01:49:55.000 Work session so that we could move forward with that on 01:49:55.000 --> 01:49:59.239 that that amount does not seem out of line. I 01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:02.399 Agree with that. Thank you 01:50:04.039 --> 01:50:05.239 That it 01:50:05.239 --> 01:50:08.210 Okay, that takes us to number two concluding items any 01:50:08.210 --> 01:50:09.260 concluding items 01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:13.000 None for my me either. So with that we will adjourn