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Subcommittee meeting it's 11 33 and we have a quorum

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council member Briggs won't be here today

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So we'll start with item 1

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items for individual consideration item a consider approval

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of the mobility committee of the Denton City Council

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meeting minutes of March 21

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2018

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Madam chair move approval and I'll second all in favor. I

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Passes unanimously item B

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Receive a report and hold a discussion with dockless bike

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share operators concerning the recent bike share ordinance

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adopted by the city of Denton and

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provide staff direction I

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Believe mr. Nelson will be presenting

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Good morning, madam chair members of the committee

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Earlier this year we passed the city of Denton passed a

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ordinance established in a bike a dockless bike share

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policy actually, it's a pilot program six month pilot

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program and

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We had some we had some concerns

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That were registered with staff and with a couple of the

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council members in terms, you know from from the bike share

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operators and so

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Councilmember Gregory had asked us asked staff to invite

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some of the operators or representatives from the

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bike dockless bike share

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Operations to come and visit with the committee to outline

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some of those concerns

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We do have representatives from spin Luke petty John and

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then from lime bikes

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Miss Katie O'Brien. We had also invited

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representatives from

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From v bikes. We got no response from a number of different

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emails and as well as phone calls and then

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Had indicated that he would come and present service around

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the Esparza

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However on Monday late Monday afternoon, he submitted a

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written statement I put that at each of your places

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I'll quickly outline some of the comments there before I

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turn it over to

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To miss O'Brien and then

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Mr. Petty John can follow in terms of any comments they

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have so long the short is is you know

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OFO and they had indicated this in the original

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Prior to as we were moving through the policy development

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They had concerns with the cap on the number of bikes. One

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of the concerns they would have they had was just

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Having a number having the number of bikes that the market

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demanded

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Having enough

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Enough of their assets in the marketplace so that those who

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wish to use it could find a bike in short order and

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Move along and utilize their service in addition to that

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having a larger number of bikes

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Then would provide them an opportunity to have a more

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robust

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Rebalancing team here on station here in our community to

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be more responsive

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They also expressed a limited service area. In fact, that

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was one of the responses that we also got from

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From vbikes in terms of limited

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Service area their concern was is that there was another

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bike sure operator who had already had an agreement

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with both of the universities and so their their thought

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process was is that that's a

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Market rich opportunity and not being able to operate on

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those particular

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on those campuses would create a

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Strain in terms of their ability to compete and then the

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data sharing there were some concerns. Yes, ma'am. I

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was a little bit confused about the comment about not

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operating on campuses because I don't believe our ordinance

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prohibits anybody from operating on campus our

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Ordinance does not necessarily prohibit operating on any of

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the campuses. The concern was is that

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The universities had entered into memorandum of

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understanding with a single bike share operator on their I

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don't want to call it private

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Private property but on their campus state state property

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Okay, so I'm still not following

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So how would that how does our ordinance plan with these mo

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use between the bike share operators and I don't know that

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it's necessarily a

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slide against specifically our

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particular ordinance, it's just the market in general here

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in Denton in terms of not being able to

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Have access and have their bikes on those particular

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campuses

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Was a was a concern that they had they felt like that

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limited their their market share. Okay

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Thank you. So the other one was data sharing and in fact

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staff has

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has participated in a

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Roundtable if you owes conference call and we plan to do

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that for the next

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for the next year, but the

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roundtable conference call with a number of different

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municipalities

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with North Central Texas Council of Government

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Working to identify how we might be able to

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establish a data sharing program that

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That assists the the local

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communities objective in terms of what we want to do with

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that data how we utilize the data and

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Essentially the interest in gathering that data is to

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create heat maps, right? So those heat maps then

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Provide a planning document for our engineers and our bike

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bike and ped coordinated coordination

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Efforts where we might implement new infrastructure where

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Where we're deficient in certain infrastructure how we

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might be able to improve

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other components in terms of that bike and ped

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infrastructure and so

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The concern that that is outlined here and the email from

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from OFO is you know, certainly

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wish to to communicate or if it becomes

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public data then

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Another competitor may request that information. So one of

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the theories was is well

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For a limited period but certainly within four to six

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months trailing

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It may not be as valuable in terms of the competitive side

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however, it would still be valuable on them on the

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municipal planning side in terms of

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again where to put those enhancements in terms of

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Bike and ped infrastructure. So I don't necessarily have it

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That's a quick some summation of the email and the

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information that was provided to us from OFO

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If you have any additional questions, I'm willing to answer

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those now or can do that at the end of the prison

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After we hear from the the two other bike share operators

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that are here today with us

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So if Katie O'Brien she again represents

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Think what would be beneficial if you just had a five

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minute short rundown in terms of

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What we had discussed to kind of via email what what some

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of the concerns are and then maybe towards the end the two

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You could come up and answer collectively those questions

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if that suits the chair. Okay

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Good afternoon

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My name is Katie O'Brien. I'm here on behalf of line bike

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today

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we appreciate the city of Denton for including us in this

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process and the

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planning and in conversations about the ordinance

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implementation and

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We hope to partner with this city in the future

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However, line bike is not intending to complete a permit

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application at this time

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So I'm just here to provide feedback a number of the

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company's

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Concerns are similar although not exact to what you heard

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And it's important to our company to be good partners with

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all the municipalities

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Where they operate and for that to be true

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we we really would like to see some changes to the

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ordinance for

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the ability to have the right size fleet to meet the

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the needs of this community and a

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different fee structure and also a

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larger fleet would allow for us to dedicate more resources

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to serve a community like Denton and make sure that the

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bikes are

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adequately rebalanced and maintained throughout this

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community and it is not our intention to have bikes here

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and to not

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Serve the fleet or the community appropriately and so at

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this time we will not be submitting a permit application

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But hope hope to partner at some point in the future

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I'm glad to answer any questions that anyone has or I'll

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wait until after spin

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Thank you chairperson

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So, what does a right-sized fleet look like for the

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demographics in the city the size of them

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line bike

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would prefer to

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Operate here for a period of time and see how how many

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bikes are necessary. We understand there is not a need to

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Flood this community with too many bikes

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But for a city the size of Denton with two large college

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100 bikes will be dispersed so

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Widely throughout the community that it will be difficult

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for an individual to

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Regularly find and maintain expectation of the ability to

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find a bike as when they need it

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So I don't have a a perfect number. I apologize and

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From our previous conversations we would prefer to bring in

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the ballpark of 500 bikes to this community

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Which would allow us to dedicate staff

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full-time staff to the city of Denton and to the area and

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And it would also help to create an expectation of the

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availability of bike share as a true mobility

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tool or option for your residents

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So you're saying start with maybe 500 and you might adjust

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up or down based on what your

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experiences

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Sure, we would we would prefer to be able to have a

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conversation with the city and to come to that an agreement

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about that

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number without

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Always having a cap in the ordinance

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But if there was a cap in the ordinance

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We would just prefer to be able to come back to the city

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with our recommendations and your Department of

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or engineering departments recommendations for what would

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be the best fit for Denton and most were many cities across

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the country

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municipalities do not have a cap and it's a conversation

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Ongoing between the vendor companies the municipality and

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the perceived need of the community

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Thank you and there were some back and forth in in our

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discussions about the ordinance about whether it would be

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good to have an

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ordinance that just allowed for

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as many bike share groups has wanted to come in with the

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caps that we had or

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that it might be better to have a a

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Memorandum of understanding with a single company put out

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an RFP or something like that

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have you had as your company had experience with both of

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those different scenarios and

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How do how does each one of them work for you? Yes, sir

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Line bike and I probably speak for all of the companies

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operate in in about any

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regulatory environment that you can imagine and

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But while we always prefer to have the option to compete

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and participate in a market and at a

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single MOU agreement

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Works well in some instances in order to provide

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Enough service and accountability for the municipality and

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the vendor

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ordinance that they adopted

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they are will have an a

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open-ended permit so for a

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Permit fee a company can bring as many bikes in partnership

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You have to have approved docking stations and service

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agreements to maintain adequate operations

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So they're calling for some you're saying docking stations.

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I'm guessing we'd call them corrals. They called them home

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but places where the bikes are supposed to

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Rebalance be rebalanced to that's right

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the ordinance was drafted a little differently than the

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city of Denton's in that every bike does not have to be in

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a home zone but

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That you're asked to I don't want to misspeak on behalf of

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the city of Plano, but you're asked to

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identify several particularly in their

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Central business districts that would be places to locate

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the bikes initially in in deployment

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Unfortunately, I think part of our ordinance was simply a

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reaction to

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Trying to catch up with with what's going on

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and respond trying to balance the the desire to

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Have a bike share program or more in town and yet be

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Sensitive to property owners and to people who are using

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sidewalks and

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It appeared that the vendor that was here and I don't know

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if we could even call them a vendor the

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Company that was here

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Whatever their technology was to locate bicycles was

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Maybe not what we expected it was going to be because even

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when they left they you know

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Send a note saying well if you all find any bikes, let us

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know where they are

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And I'm thinking I thought your technology allowed you to

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find those bikes because I could drive down the road and

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find them but

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So can you talk about the technology that you have to find

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bikes and how

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Precise it is. I can't speak to other companies technology,

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but line bike has active GPS on all of the bikes. So

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Just like the user is able to identify the location of the

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bikes

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it's

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It's accurate within several feet. It's not I

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can't I

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Don't know the exact accuracy in terms of five versus seven

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feet

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But it it's the GPS technology is is remarkable from my lay

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experience and that same

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technology the company has and it maintains and monitors

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all of its bikes and

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Monitors how long the bike has been idle for example where

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the last ride was who which user?

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Completed the last ride and we're able to locate any of

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those bikes are

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Our software system also has

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In app reporting features. So if a user ever has trouble

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with a single bike

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They can report that in app or obviously through the 1-800

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customer service phone number as well

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So we have able we are we do know where our bikes are at

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all times

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Thank you answered my question about the number of bikes so

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I don't have any other questions thank you for your time.

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Thank you

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And I think we have somebody else coming up next

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Hello welcome, hey, my name is Luke petty John I'm from

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spin

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I'll just kind of go through a few of the a few of the

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questions and spins answers to them as well and how

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everything relates

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regarding the bike numbers and the caps that were placed I

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Don't think 100 is outrageous

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But I think it was contemplated there would be four or more

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companies coming in with that many bikes

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Which would indicate that perhaps the 500 number of total

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bikes for the Denton area makes sense

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I

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Don't know that that makes sense per operator

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however

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Seeing as there's only probably one left standing at the

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end of this. Maybe that number does make sense

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when spin entered into the agreements with UNT and TW you

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It was almost prior to any permitting being contemplated in

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Denton because

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V-bikes was on the ground

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and

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I had several conversations with the schools beforehand and

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with the city as well saying that

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It didn't really make sense to bring more bikes to Denton

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without the schools buy-in

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Which is why I pursued the school first because that's

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where most of the ridership is going to come from and there

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were already v

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Bikes all over the square and elsewhere around town

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Not all of which appeared to be written all the time unless

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they were just doing an amazing job restocking them on the

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square every day

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so I

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Didn't I didn't want to overcrowd the square or other

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popular areas around town with more bikes just because of

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that option

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I wanted to focus on the universities at that time and that

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's how we kind of arrived at the numbers that we did with

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the universities

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beforehand a smaller amount for TW you

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25 to 30 bikes and and a much larger one for UNT because

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the campus is much larger and the student body is much

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larger as

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well and that number was

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250 that we arrived at at the time and we were customizing

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the bikes to have school colors school branding all of that

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. So

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the

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the the fleet numbers that we arrived at on campuses was

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not a way to try and get around any any number that was

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proposed here and

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At the time it seemed like it would tie into the direction

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that the the ordinance was heading

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And then we had a few changes even in session with reducing

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that number further

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We also advocated for the single vendor RFP kind of from

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the beginning because

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Again, I think that would probably serve this community

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best to have the schools and the city under the same thing

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and and even possibly

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under the same

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same guidelines across the board the

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Data sharing aspect of everything. I

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agree with with both OFO and line bike we really prefer to

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have a third party that can aggregate and

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Anonymize all the data that we submit

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so that city is able to just look at bikes not this company

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's bikes in this company's bikes and and and

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determine

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Who has the the most ridership or anything in that way

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because at the end of the day

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We're all working to provide the same service and that is

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an alternative mobility option for the people. So

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We have no issue sharing all the data that we collect which

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does not include any personally identifiable information.

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It's just trip data

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Start and locations routes duration of the time that took

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to ride that length

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So all of it is something that that we're happy to work

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with and we do provide this to schools

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Openly and freely we have a dashboard that we share and it

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shows these heat maps that you're talking about

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For planning purposes and really helps with determining

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where that next parking lot or garage should go

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Striping for bike lanes those kind of things

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And the only other the only other comment I really have is

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that for the the requirements in the ordinance on

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virtual bike corrals

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I'm not sure that everyone was even on the same page as to

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as to what that is

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When it was being discussed in the in the council meeting

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and and how that would look I I understand how the

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performance requirements of picking up the bikes and rebal

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ancing them to those locations works and

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Showing the users in app where those locations are so that

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they return the bikes to those spots

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But I don't know if that was a notion that was presented by

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one of the companies

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in the draft phase of everything and

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sort of shook out differently in that that company did not

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choose to apply or what but

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It it is something that that spin is capable of doing and

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and we showed how in our

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application

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But there there may be some some confusion on that going

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forward until everyone's on the same page

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So happy to answer any questions as well. Thank you

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So you have a

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Memorandum of understanding with both universities. Yes,

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sir, and your plan right now is for how many bikes at each

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campus

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right now

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25 bikes at TWU and

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Still ongoing communications with UNT plan to start with

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100

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And ensure that no more than 100 bikes ever leave the

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campuses and are on any city right-of-way

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So you you're hoping to keep them on campus and not

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So what if a university student wants to ride downtown,

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right?

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There are some predetermined locations that we put out in

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the application for at the DCTA stop and the square

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So there are some virtual bike corrals that we've proposed

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where students can ride into town

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I'm just saying that our operations will work to make sure

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that we don't have any anything more than the cap on

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city right of way

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Is it your understanding that that they can't ride

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throughout the rest of the city

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No, they're they're more than free to ride throughout the

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city. Oh, they are free. Yes, sir. I

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Didn't hear the question. I was just I was wondering if

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there was some

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Notion that they weren't allowed to go anywhere in the city

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. No, they'll be they'll be for service for

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community members and students alike, okay

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So we do have a presentation following this and it's with a

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University of North Texas

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Proposal that kind of outlined some of these operating

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issues

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We can go into detail at that point in time if you wish or

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we can handle that at this point in time

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but the theory would be as Mr. Petty John indicated is that

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there's a set number to

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Service or provide the level of service has requested by

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the University of North, Texas

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We would expect that some of those migrate off campus.

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However, as Mr. Petty John said their their tracking and

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GPS

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capability

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would keep that number below the 100 within the city of

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city of Denton right of way and

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Meet both the spirit and letter of the law of the ordinance

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And you're you're

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locating

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Technology is it how accurate is it? It's as accurate as

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any GPS out there

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It's and it's a GPS module as well

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So, you know sometimes when you're driving your car in one

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light of the road

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It thinks you're on that next lane over but it's it's as

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close as GPS can get. Okay

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Well, I was kind of just crunching some numbers because the

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cap discussion is interesting to me

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I tend to agree with you that if we have you know, let's

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say there are four vendors in town and they all want 500

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bikes

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To me that seems like some over saturation and it actually

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could serve to prevent other vendors from entering the

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market

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So I don't really view it as kind of a let the market

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decide situation if you have the ability to just completely

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Put as many bikes as you want. I mean the biggest operator

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will win in that situation

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So I was looking at the student populations at Texas Women

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's University, which is 15,000 now

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I thought it was still 11,000 which just shows you how

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behind the times I am and then

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UNT's that I think it was 37,000 plus probably grad

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students as well

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so

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Thought it was interesting that you know UNT is getting

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25 and then

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I'm sorry TWU is getting 25 and then UNT which is just

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slightly

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More than twice the population is getting four times as

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many bikes, but I'm assuming that has to do with the size

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of the campus

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How spread out it is and things of that nature. Yeah, not

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trying to question your business judgment

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I'm just trying to kind of figure out the math here

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So then we know when I kind of transpose it to the city of

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Denton where population of 140,000 people

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But our kind of adult and mobile population is

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significantly less than that. So I

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Mean, I'm really interested in a conversation about how

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many bikes can be supported in the city. I just I don't see

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that

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you know if

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If UNT is getting a hundred bikes for instance

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Tlb is getting 25 bikes. I can't see that the city of Dent

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on with a total population of 140,000 would ever need

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You know a thousand bikes, right? But that's that's my

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perspective and I think it's shared by some people on

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council

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I'm totally I'm really open to the idea of having this

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discussion though, because I think the data will help a lot

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And that was kind of our goal with the ordinance was to

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have a way to figure out

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You know where where the heat maps are I'm okay with the N

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DA's

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As well as far as I'm concerned. It's your proprietary

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information

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So that's kind of where I stand at the present moment

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I certainly I'm kind of surprised to hear that our

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ordinance would really have a huge effect on UNT or TWU

536
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:02,599
because their state

537
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:04,200
organizations, I

538
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,269
Mean, I guess to the extent that there's outflow of the

539
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:10,230
bikes, but ultimately we don't regulate anything that

540
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:11,000
happens at UNT

541
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:13,599
so the issue is

542
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,160
That we have city didn't ride away within the campuses

543
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,250
And so that's where that's where the regulatory component

544
00:27:21,250 --> 00:27:25,299
from our ordinance would play in and that's how whether it

545
00:27:25,299 --> 00:27:25,539
be

546
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,500
TWU or UNT could have something more than the 100 bikes

547
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:33,039
that our ordinance if if those bikes are generally

548
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,279
stationed

549
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:39,549
on their campus at you know particular locations, let's say

550
00:27:39,549 --> 00:27:40,680
the library or

551
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,559
Education or business building and then maybe out near some

552
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:49,680
of the different larger parking lots that the commuters use

553
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,440
So you'd said that

554
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,619
Heald had advocated for a single vendor on RFP program.

555
00:28:00,619 --> 00:28:02,200
Tell me about your experience

556
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,980
Are you operating in both environments and why were you

557
00:28:05,980 --> 00:28:08,599
advocating for the single vendor?

558
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:14,160
I was advocating for it here because I think one vendor

559
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,259
serving all the all three

560
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,640
Entities makes makes the most sense

561
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:23,339
It prevents the the spillage from too many bikes going on

562
00:28:23,339 --> 00:28:25,319
to campus off of campus

563
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:29,039
It's a lot easier to control just one company and then the

564
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:33,000
back and forth on what goes in is a much easier process

565
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,160
You're not having to hear from several different

566
00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:39,059
Competing interests at the same time. We've done

567
00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:43,920
Like he said, we've done every possible regulatory thing

568
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,599
imaginable across the country whether it's a single vendor

569
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:47,079
RFP

570
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:51,759
Linebike and spin have jointly won RFPs in in a few

571
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:52,400
locations

572
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,819
Other places there is no regulation

573
00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:59,710
Or they're working on it like Dallas and it just becomes a

574
00:28:59,710 --> 00:29:03,160
free-for-all. So I thought that a

575
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,980
Single vendor where we can work closely

576
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,680
together and you select the one that

577
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,650
presents the best solution for the Denton area made the

578
00:29:12,650 --> 00:29:15,640
most sense at the time and and if you

579
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,440
Would guess at a number of total bikes

580
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,299
Getting at what is we Gary was saying total bikes given the

581
00:29:23,299 --> 00:29:25,920
universities and in the general city population

582
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:29,890
What do you think would be the right number for them at

583
00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:31,720
least to start off with?

584
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,599
I think it would be less than 500 less than 500

585
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:39,920
Well, I don't think we have any other questions, but thank

586
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,559
you for the presentation appreciate it

587
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:49,220
Did you have any other presentations for this item mark,

588
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:50,000
okay, so

589
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:54,079
You're wanting direction or what? Did you want to go ahead

590
00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:55,829
and have the discussion with you and T and then give

591
00:29:55,829 --> 00:29:56,559
direction on both

592
00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:58,759
You know that might be more beneficial

593
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:02,759
Then I'll go ahead and call let's see. It's item

594
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:05,700
See receive a report hold a discussion and provide

595
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:09,680
direction regarding University of North, Texas's bike share

596
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:10,539
pilot proposal

597
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,339
Now it's a now it's afternoon good afternoon

598
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,359
madam chair members of the committee

599
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:25,559
mark Nelson director of transportation

600
00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:30,109
We have included in your backup we a proposal from the

601
00:30:30,109 --> 00:30:31,339
University of North, Texas

602
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,329
As stated in the backup material, we've been working with

603
00:30:34,329 --> 00:30:37,460
the University of North, Texas on trying to identify an op

604
00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:41,839
different options on on how we might roll out bike share up

605
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:43,980
opportunities

606
00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:47,000
Both here in the community as well as on campus to serve

607
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,660
the the different needs of our different of our agencies

608
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,799
We met last week

609
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,720
Again with the University of North, Texas

610
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,839
They have refined a proposal and that proposal essentially

611
00:30:58,839 --> 00:30:59,079
is

612
00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:02,599
At the heart of it

613
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,039
At the heart of it they are trying to address an issue

614
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,970
Which is essentially abandoned bikes and bike clutter on on

615
00:31:12,970 --> 00:31:13,960
their campus

616
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,599
And I'm remiss before I go much further. I did want to

617
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:20,380
introduce the folks from the University of North, Texas. We

618
00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:20,640
do have

619
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,400
Dr. Clark

620
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,160
VP in the administration and then

621
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,359
Chris Phelps director of transportation and then

622
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,670
Grant hell with with the transportation department as well

623
00:31:33,670 --> 00:31:34,119
and

624
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:38,119
Back back to the proposal

625
00:31:38,420 --> 00:31:41,359
We met with University of North, Texas. They they

626
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,079
You've got the proposal in the backup. But again what they

627
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,519
're looking at trying to do is provide

628
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:54,160
Really two issues here is provide additional transportation

629
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,539
Options on their campus as well as reduce the overall

630
00:31:58,539 --> 00:31:59,839
clutter on campus

631
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,240
typically what happens

632
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:07,059
And I might have contributed to it to my alma mater and

633
00:32:07,059 --> 00:32:09,759
that is a student will bring a bike and

634
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,880
they'll use that bike and

635
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:17,539
maybe forget about it after two or three or four months and

636
00:32:17,539 --> 00:32:17,960
then

637
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,410
Maybe never get back to it and there it stays locked up to

638
00:32:21,410 --> 00:32:22,160
a particular

639
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:27,880
bike rack or in some cases a lamp post or a

640
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,680
Park bench, whatever the case may be

641
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:34,450
University of North, Texas has and they're what their

642
00:32:34,450 --> 00:32:36,839
experience has been is at the end of

643
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,720
The spring semester each year. They have to go through and

644
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,240
figure out

645
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,470
How how how to address that issue to clean up their campus

646
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:47,960
make it presentable make it safe

647
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,960
I mean, they're tripping hazards

648
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,240
it's just it's just not a good scene or

649
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,720
Situation that they would like to to continue and so their

650
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,960
interest is is you know, quite frankly

651
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,079
entering into an agreement with spin

652
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:06,970
Who would serve as the logistics arm of their program UNT

653
00:33:06,970 --> 00:33:09,000
would own the program essentially and

654
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,250
It would provide initially they roll out with about a

655
00:33:12,250 --> 00:33:12,799
hundred bikes

656
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,599
But may push up to 250 bikes and those bikes would be pre

657
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:19,599
positioned or or located at

658
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,519
designated

659
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:23,039
areas

660
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,599
Where you might see higher

661
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:27,720
traffic

662
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,140
Obviously the parking lots for those students that are comm

663
00:33:31,140 --> 00:33:32,440
uting from off campus

664
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,509
There may be locations around the student union the

665
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:38,789
education building business business build their parking

666
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:40,680
lot of internal parking lots as well

667
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,480
but they would have those identified and

668
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:47,299
There would not necessarily be restricted to be utilized at

669
00:33:47,299 --> 00:33:48,440
those locations

670
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,619
But based on their experience they know that they've got a

671
00:33:51,619 --> 00:33:55,099
certain number or volume of students moving from one

672
00:33:55,099 --> 00:33:56,160
location to the other

673
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,019
So in the morning as part of the rebalancing program

674
00:33:59,019 --> 00:34:02,369
They'd have those those bikes and assets stationed where

675
00:34:02,369 --> 00:34:05,039
they needed to be and their proposal that talks about

676
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:06,359
having those bikes

677
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:08,960
rebalanced at 7 a.m. Every morning so

678
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,440
For 8 o'clock classes students rolling in it into those

679
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,000
parking lots at 715 730 or maybe 759

680
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:21,019
They have a transportation mode to get to the next to their

681
00:34:21,019 --> 00:34:23,099
class wherever they may be going

682
00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:28,489
They understand that that those bikes are going to migrate

683
00:34:28,489 --> 00:34:32,400
off campus as well and so spin has then

684
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:35,039
agreed to as part of their

685
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:38,030
Preliminary agreement or contract would be again to re

686
00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:41,690
balance those back to those locations again as mr. Petty

687
00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:42,760
John indicated

688
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,150
They've got the they've got the technology. They got the

689
00:34:45,150 --> 00:34:48,360
capability to get those bikes back to

690
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,360
central mass locations if you will

691
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,579
Sure, are there going to be a handful of them onesies twos

692
00:34:54,579 --> 00:34:56,300
ies that may not make it back

693
00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:59,690
Out of the city of Denton right away or from different

694
00:34:59,690 --> 00:35:03,380
retail areas that may be outlying areas initially

695
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,639
We'd expect that but generally speaking

696
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,239
The overall program would be to get get those bikes back on

697
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,960
to campus at usable locations

698
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,570
Where they'd be a benefit to to the students and to the

699
00:35:17,570 --> 00:35:21,119
university and again one of the other aspects of it is is

700
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,280
it being a customized

701
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,239
program in terms of the color of the bike and so that

702
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
they they know

703
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,059
That that particular bike belongs to that particular

704
00:35:32,059 --> 00:35:35,179
operator which is associated with the University of North,

705
00:35:35,179 --> 00:35:35,719
Texas now

706
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,760
Texas Women's University has a similar branding aspect. I

707
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,719
don't think they're planning to go with green. I think they

708
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,260
like a much

709
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,719
Different color maroon a

710
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,920
Couple of us in the room like the maroon color

711
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:53,559
Anyhow point is is they've got they've got a branding

712
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:57,769
You know a market brand for each of the programs and you

713
00:35:57,769 --> 00:36:00,199
know at the University of North, Texas

714
00:36:00,820 --> 00:36:02,679
Madame chairs you state is going to be a little bit more

715
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:04,800
robust a little bit larger campus in terms of

716
00:36:05,860 --> 00:36:08,280
physical area how it stretched across

717
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,880
You know universe, you know across

718
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,500
35 and then certainly just told number of students

719
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,599
I'd like to invite dr. Clark up here to maybe finish or

720
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:23,480
clean up anything that I left on unsaid or or

721
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,360
misstated

722
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,659
But then the two of us could answer questions that you may

723
00:36:29,659 --> 00:36:32,000
have if that's okay with the committee

724
00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:43,440
Good afternoon, my name is Alan Clark

725
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,510
I'm a graduate from TWU and I'm a graduate from UNT. I've

726
00:36:48,510 --> 00:36:49,320
been here 22 years

727
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,800
and this is exciting times for the city and to see the

728
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,079
growth in the management of that taking place just

729
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,139
Want to add some statistics to mr. Nelson statements?

730
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:07,500
The University itself we're just right over 38,000 students

731
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:09,280
. Where do we want to get to?

732
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,710
In the next five years around 45,000 students. We've got

733
00:37:13,710 --> 00:37:15,199
about 7,000 employees

734
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,760
We have 6,600 students living on campus right now in in our

735
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,239
dorms

736
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,039
If you go walking across campus and and I had mr

737
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:29,210
Hale go do this and just count every bike for that day we

738
00:37:29,210 --> 00:37:29,920
came up with

739
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:34,340
1,091 bikes and they were chained to everything if it was

740
00:37:34,340 --> 00:37:36,320
standing they were chained to it

741
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,949
What I'd really appreciate the opportunity to do is when

742
00:37:40,949 --> 00:37:43,670
the parents come for orientation this year to be able to

743
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:44,920
say don't bring your bike

744
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,969
Just leave your bike there and the difficulty for a student

745
00:37:48,969 --> 00:37:51,440
is they go one place

746
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,519
And they got to go get that back to go someplace else

747
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:56,599
I want to provide the opportunity

748
00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:59,239
You know what just grab another bike and go where you want.

749
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,909
You never have to worry about getting that bike back to

750
00:38:01,909 --> 00:38:02,960
your home base

751
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,639
Some other things that have affected us this past year

752
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:09,699
We lost over 1,100 parking spaces and that's due to

753
00:38:09,699 --> 00:38:11,360
construction and it's good

754
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,440
I we have some wonderful things new CVAD building going in

755
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:15,760
new

756
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:18,849
Resident hall going in new dining facility going in and

757
00:38:18,849 --> 00:38:20,880
interest to the campus being built

758
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,719
But with that we lost 1,100 spaces. And so how do you

759
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,639
overcome that? Well, you go build right now

760
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:33,440
550 spaces on the other side of 35 at the very back of the

761
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,920
Apogee Stadium

762
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,269
That means the students are going to need to commute and

763
00:38:38,269 --> 00:38:40,960
and what we've discussed with spin is the ability

764
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,000
for to have our bikes out there in

765
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,920
Actual cages at that point. So ours is kind of what we want

766
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,559
to represent as a hybrid

767
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,679
Out in the parking lots. There is a station where those

768
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:56,400
bikes are at students can take them into campus

769
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,969
They use them they move about wherever they want to migrate

770
00:38:58,969 --> 00:38:59,880
throughout the day

771
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:03,130
but a large portion of those bikes go back out to those

772
00:39:03,130 --> 00:39:04,239
places where our

773
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,840
individuals can come in and

774
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:10,059
remotely park and you know our buses

775
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,239
I

776
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,239
took over parking and transportation

777
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,280
three years ago and

778
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,469
One of my first things that I asked to be done is that our

779
00:39:19,469 --> 00:39:22,179
buses no longer go down Highland Street where all the

780
00:39:22,179 --> 00:39:22,559
students

781
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:25,710
Are crossing and so that means we're going back on Eagle

782
00:39:25,710 --> 00:39:29,429
and just circling the campus and with that we need this

783
00:39:29,429 --> 00:39:30,599
ability for just this

784
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,670
Mobility to where the bus stops are but also a good partner

785
00:39:34,670 --> 00:39:37,739
to come in and be able to grab the bikes each night

786
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,989
Get them back out to the locations and what we've talked

787
00:39:40,989 --> 00:39:42,880
about and is the opportunity to

788
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:46,820
Reward the students in some way if you'll help us take the

789
00:39:46,820 --> 00:39:47,880
bikes back out there

790
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,809
When you when you go ride a bike back out to the parking

791
00:39:50,809 --> 00:39:52,460
lot and help us get it there

792
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,679
We need a reward system

793
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:58,050
The proposal right now is that that these bikes would they

794
00:39:58,050 --> 00:40:01,320
would be green and then be black and they'd be branded with

795
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:01,840
UNT

796
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,670
Logos and UNT phone numbers if somebody's concerned about a

797
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:06,960
bike being someplace

798
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:11,369
UNT will actually be paying for all of the any costs

799
00:40:11,369 --> 00:40:13,639
associated with the ridership

800
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,400
and so I

801
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,239
Personally, I'd like to get down to where you go count

802
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,460
Maybe there's 200 bikes on campus that belong to

803
00:40:23,460 --> 00:40:25,920
individuals, but I think in doing so

804
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,559
We're gonna approach the number of 250 bikes that we're

805
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:31,820
gonna be looking at at midfall

806
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,239
What we have talked about is working through this process

807
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,679
with the city of Denton

808
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,360
Would and and I think it would be helpful

809
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,000
But us as UNT even going through the permitting process

810
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,599
with the city

811
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,739
Make sure all the bikes are permitted through that and we

812
00:40:47,739 --> 00:40:50,679
've had the opportunity to work with the city there

813
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,909
And for us to be able to gather the data on a daily basis

814
00:40:54,909 --> 00:40:57,480
and know where our bikes are being used what the heat maps

815
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,260
are showing for usage but us as a

816
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,789
Smaller part of the city of Denton to be able to

817
00:41:04,789 --> 00:41:08,199
communicate that and work with the mobility council

818
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:10,920
and how we can

819
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,679
Ensure our bikes are serving our clientele and not cl

820
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:16,199
uttering your streets

821
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:18,079
but

822
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:21,420
With that I have a bike clutter problem today that we're

823
00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:22,440
trying to solve

824
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,190
So the opportunity would be hopefully in this summertime a

825
00:41:26,190 --> 00:41:29,480
hundred bikes out to see how they're used how they're going

826
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,760
where they're being placed at

827
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,409
Having a major communication campaign for to influence

828
00:41:35,409 --> 00:41:36,880
students faculty and staff

829
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:41,880
But my goal would be to move into the 200 250 range by

830
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,920
October November as we're getting more students on campus

831
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:49,199
And they're recognizing the need for mobility and

832
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:50,320
transportation

833
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,510
So that that's kind of some numbers of statistics where we

834
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:56,510
're at and I'll be glad to answer any questions that you

835
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:56,880
have

836
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:01,489
Thanks for joining us dr. Clark my pleasure. I was looking

837
00:42:01,489 --> 00:42:04,639
through the UNT report or the proposal

838
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,360
I guess in the backup and one thing that

839
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,389
Intrigues me is how many how many bikes are left over that

840
00:42:10,389 --> 00:42:12,920
you have to impound at the end of the semester?

841
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:14,840
we

842
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,469
It's in the hundreds that we impound each semester and you

843
00:42:18,469 --> 00:42:21,480
have to go through an announcement process and

844
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,119
then you have to go through a

845
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:28,389
Auction and they're auctioned off in lots because most of

846
00:42:28,389 --> 00:42:29,559
them their value

847
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:32,159
probably by the time they've been

848
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:36,730
Abandoned they're in the ten to five dollar ranges as far

849
00:42:36,730 --> 00:42:39,559
as that some of the things we would like to do though

850
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,639
is

851
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:43,639
I'd like to put out an RFP to

852
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,199
the bike

853
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:49,239
community in the bike stores here and see if they can help

854
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,519
us with the possibility at least the ones that are

855
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:52,280
abandoned if

856
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,280
we can go in and refurbish them make them available to

857
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,260
Maybe folks who are a little less fortunate at schools or

858
00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:04,199
any of the places where children arrive at

859
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,920
So we use those to recycle back into the community. But yes

860
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,440
today

861
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:12,289
It's it's in the hundreds that we end up getting each year

862
00:43:12,289 --> 00:43:14,320
and having to go auction off

863
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,199
So let's say that you know, there's 250 line bikes on

864
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:18,659
campus

865
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:23,360
I'm assuming come May spin. I'm sorry spin bikes apologies

866
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:26,039
I'm assuming in May

867
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,239
There are there's not gonna be a need for 250 bikes at that

868
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,719
point. So what is the plan for?

869
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,599
Come summertime with those bikes

870
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,750
The plan would be to back off that service. We as the city

871
00:43:40,750 --> 00:43:43,659
are concerned with bikes just sitting right?

872
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,769
One thing that would be helpful in our instance even with

873
00:43:47,769 --> 00:43:49,360
the 250 they're in

874
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,030
Corraled stations in our parking lot. So they're not just

875
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:54,280
being we abandoned

876
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,469
You know a hundred bikes because there's no ridership at

877
00:43:57,469 --> 00:44:00,420
this time and and we'll certainly work with spin to bring

878
00:44:00,420 --> 00:44:01,320
back and

879
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,110
Rebalance that and have the ridership numbers. I would like

880
00:44:05,110 --> 00:44:06,400
to make an offer on

881
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,800
On behalf of UNT. We'll be looking at our data as well

882
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,550
if there's a point where we want to do joint data

883
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:14,639
collection and

884
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,539
Research on that information using statistical packages

885
00:44:17,539 --> 00:44:19,079
would be glad to help with that

886
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,619
I'm gonna reminisce for a little bit excellent nine

887
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,599
I'm about to go off council after nine years and when I ran

888
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:30,280
nine years ago

889
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,949
was approached during the campaign season by some bike

890
00:44:33,949 --> 00:44:36,800
advocates mainly associated with UNT and

891
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,840
They did a lot to educate me

892
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,929
Because I was concerned about quality of life in the city

893
00:44:44,929 --> 00:44:48,219
an active lifestyle healthy lifestyle

894
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:52,039
More bicycling

895
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:55,599
opportunities and people feeling safe doing so seemed to be

896
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:55,599
a

897
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,719
worthwhile cause to champion

898
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:02,929
So I became the bike guy excellent excellent lately. I've

899
00:45:02,929 --> 00:45:04,659
become the cemetery guy

900
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,719
different story, but I

901
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,519
Had anticipated either one of those when I first ran

902
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:17,380
One of the the problems about being the bike guy on City

903
00:45:17,380 --> 00:45:18,679
Council is that when

904
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,480
Some bike riders do stupid things

905
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:26,639
People call me as if I'm responsible

906
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,280
And I did a lot to educate myself and apparently some of

907
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,880
the most stupid things done by bike riders are males

908
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:37,159
aged 18 to 25

909
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,920
Who think that they're invincible?

910
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:44,400
and I was actually at a national park and found out that

911
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:48,719
That same demographic presents problems for them

912
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,260
That's who they have to rescue most often

913
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,610
So I have tried to advocate for a long time that when you

914
00:45:56,610 --> 00:46:00,760
do your orientations your freshman orientations

915
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:04,559
that possibly you would work with the city of Denton and

916
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:07,559
us providing some

917
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,880
bike safety education

918
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:13,820
So that that some of those folks would think about because

919
00:46:13,820 --> 00:46:15,360
it's it's unsettling

920
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,440
when when I'm driving a vehicle a

921
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,639
Motorized vehicle and I am suddenly startled by a person in

922
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:26,179
black on the black bike without any reflectors or any

923
00:46:26,179 --> 00:46:26,800
lights

924
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,949
Because it would really be bad if I was the one that ran

925
00:46:30,949 --> 00:46:32,360
over a bicyclist

926
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:36,159
It'd be bad if anybody did but I would I would feel

927
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:38,639
particularly embarrassed by the whole thing

928
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:42,639
So if if we could work with you guys on a bike education

929
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:43,400
program

930
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:49,949
I would be very grateful for that because I think it would

931
00:46:49,949 --> 00:46:50,400
be better

932
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,679
For the the safety of the students that are riding bikes

933
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:58,880
and it would be better for us as a community

934
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:02,840
to be able to encourage bike riding without getting some

935
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,199
pushback by people who

936
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:08,789
Actually are somewhat antagonistic towards sharing the road

937
00:47:08,789 --> 00:47:10,119
with bicyclists

938
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,059
The other thing is you said and this may be for mark that y

939
00:47:15,059 --> 00:47:18,719
'all would probably need to ramp up to 250 bikes

940
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,920
mark how does that mean that we might need to

941
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,510
The council might need to come back and do some revisions

942
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:32,440
to the ordinance to to facilitate that

943
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,760
you know council member that's that's

944
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,360
that's certainly in play, but our

945
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:40,800
our interpretation of that would be that

946
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,480
it could

947
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,210
Because it's it because it's going to be on the University

948
00:47:46,210 --> 00:47:48,760
of North Texas campus and it's not going to be

949
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,480
impacting or at least it should not be

950
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,219
impacting the city right of ways, which is where the

951
00:47:55,219 --> 00:47:57,159
ordinance was really crafted for

952
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,840
We had anticipated

953
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:02,960
Something like that from the universities. How would we how

954
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,119
could we enforce a an ordinance on state property? And so

955
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,360
that's why I was drafted for to address the

956
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,079
The right of way which we do have oversight

957
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:16,550
So, you know certainly we could bring that forward in terms

958
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:19,159
of an informal staff report find out what the pleasure of

959
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:19,800
the council is

960
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,170
If it's something that this particular committee wants to

961
00:48:23,170 --> 00:48:26,489
push up to the council as a recommendation certainly we can

962
00:48:26,489 --> 00:48:27,079
go that route

963
00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:29,199
But you know at present what we look at

964
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,420
quite frankly would be moving forward with an interlocal

965
00:48:33,420 --> 00:48:36,000
agreement that kind of outlines that and

966
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,760
As dr. Clark indicated, you know, they're they're wanting

967
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:40,880
to get moving fairly quickly

968
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,730
So that'd be something that would be coming through within

969
00:48:42,730 --> 00:48:46,050
the next three to six weeks so they they could be in the

970
00:48:46,050 --> 00:48:46,800
middle of June

971
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:48,920
deploying bikes

972
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,920
Well the notion of having

973
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:56,789
Some share a bike share that was would be available to get

974
00:48:56,789 --> 00:48:59,639
people from the the downtown Transit Center

975
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,760
either to the square or

976
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,480
To the campus because I happen to know folks

977
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:10,610
They're actually faculty members that that ride the train

978
00:49:10,610 --> 00:49:11,940
to Denton but

979
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:15,179
Are not always interested in riding the bus from the

980
00:49:15,179 --> 00:49:17,559
Transit Center over to campus

981
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,570
They walk or they'd like to ride a bike and if they if we

982
00:49:21,570 --> 00:49:22,519
had bikes there

983
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:27,039
That would be available, but I'm not sure if if the plan as

984
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:30,460
I'm understanding it would position

985
00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:34,289
You know ten bikes at the Transit Center and ten bikes on

986
00:49:34,289 --> 00:49:35,119
the square

987
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,389
well, I would tell you that I've seen some communications

988
00:49:38,389 --> 00:49:40,519
going back and forth between our

989
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:43,679
bike and ped office

990
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:46,119
spin and with

991
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,400
Christina Holcomb VP of planning over at you know

992
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:54,480
DCTA they are looking into that in terms of where they'd be

993
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,480
able to station a number of those bikes

994
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,679
But yes, I think they're certainly DCTA is open to that

995
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,530
And dr. Clark is there anything that you need from the city

996
00:50:05,530 --> 00:50:06,559
in order to

997
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,739
Facilitate or to to support your your efforts for the bike

998
00:50:13,739 --> 00:50:15,340
share program on campus

999
00:50:15,340 --> 00:50:18,039
I think that the main thing is that we are

1000
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,000
good citizens to the city and

1001
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,579
And and as stated we need to outline the interlocal

1002
00:50:26,579 --> 00:50:27,099
agreement

1003
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,960
Get that prepared

1004
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,730
And I think that we need to come to an agreement does you

1005
00:50:32,730 --> 00:50:35,119
know does UNT and having these bikes?

1006
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,099
Branded as UNT bikes and also for us to look for the

1007
00:50:39,099 --> 00:50:42,920
opportunity to actually go higher than the 100

1008
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:46,320
Do we go through the permitting process?

1009
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,559
I think that needs to be clarified and that's been the

1010
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:51,630
recommendation up to this point and have no process or no

1011
00:50:51,630 --> 00:50:52,480
problems with doing

1012
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,139
that but just need clarity on and we will begin on the work

1013
00:50:56,139 --> 00:50:58,239
on the interlocal agreement from

1014
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,150
Existing so that we have had and start drawing that

1015
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:02,679
together

1016
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,190
but I think the clarity on the permitting process of how we

1017
00:51:06,190 --> 00:51:07,079
go do this and

1018
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,639
We we have agreed to come together with a strategic bicycle

1019
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:16,039
plan that is laid into the work of the city and

1020
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,719
Quite honestly as you're stating

1021
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,329
We don't want our citizens to know that they've gone from

1022
00:51:21,329 --> 00:51:23,730
UNT property to the city and you have to do something

1023
00:51:23,730 --> 00:51:24,400
different

1024
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,920
But at night we need spin to go make sure that work

1025
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,199
reconfigured each day to support the campus

1026
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:36,159
now we do have

1027
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:41,030
178 parking spaces that we've come into agreement out at

1028
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:41,920
Medical City

1029
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:43,960
and

1030
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,960
Certainly will work with DCTA as a part of this for

1031
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:52,179
Stationing bicycles at the locations for that work with DC

1032
00:51:52,179 --> 00:51:52,360
TA

1033
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,400
And so we are working to get further and further away from

1034
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:57,880
campus

1035
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,570
But we're going to count on spin to make sure they're in

1036
00:52:01,570 --> 00:52:04,159
locations each day as the day begins

1037
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:14,320
450 parking spaces out at the Medical City Hospital that

1038
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,599
that would be used by

1039
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:22,719
Students or faculty. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I misspoke Med

1040
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,239
Park. Yes. I'm sorry. I

1041
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,780
Misspoke thank you, sir. Okay. Thank you

1042
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:39,159
At this point, thank you so much

1043
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,440
Well, we were supposed to give staff direction

1044
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:48,639
Sure, sure

1045
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,300
You know, it's very comfortable here we can we can talk

1046
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:54,519
about many different things

1047
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:57,820
I do want to tell you the first thing at orientation. We

1048
00:52:57,820 --> 00:52:59,500
asked the kids, please

1049
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:02,809
Don't walk with your cell phone and take your earbuds out

1050
00:53:02,809 --> 00:53:06,199
and quit stepping in front of bicycles and cars

1051
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:10,260
And so it is something that we work towards their safety to

1052
00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:12,820
understand you you had to be aware of what's going on

1053
00:53:12,820 --> 00:53:15,840
So I would welcome the opportunity to ensure

1054
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,719
the discussion of

1055
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,610
How we have a safe communication of transportation for

1056
00:53:22,610 --> 00:53:26,119
bicycles is important and we will work towards that

1057
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:29,019
Well, the city actually has a bunch of bike safety broch

1058
00:53:29,019 --> 00:53:34,320
ures and a whole box a large box full of giveaway

1059
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:38,719
lights that can be attached to bicycles that blink and and

1060
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,489
Help help people see them at night. We will have

1061
00:53:42,489 --> 00:53:43,079
approximately

1062
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:47,960
10,000 new students coming on campus and we welcome any

1063
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,030
Anything's that that we can to promote safety with bicycle.

1064
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:55,360
We'll have our people talk to your okay. Thank you.

1065
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:56,039
Appreciate it

1066
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:02,159
I'm just curious if that

1067
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,550
Notice is working better with the 18 to 22 year old

1068
00:54:05,550 --> 00:54:08,159
demographic because it doesn't work with my 14 years

1069
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:11,239
What if what's working better the earbuds and look?

1070
00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:15,539
Well, you know, I'm kind of it's hard to not consider your

1071
00:54:15,539 --> 00:54:17,599
own personal experiences when you're up here

1072
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,239
I was a bike commuter in college. I mean I

1073
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,559
Loved my bike like that was I took care of it and I can't

1074
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:28,079
imagine abandoning a bike, but I don't know

1075
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:30,769
I guess different strokes different folks did your bike

1076
00:54:30,769 --> 00:54:32,119
have a name? No

1077
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,360
I'm not weird

1078
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:39,530
Actually, my new bike has a name the white cloud so yeah, I

1079
00:54:39,530 --> 00:54:40,360
am weird

1080
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:44,260
Well, I guess the question then becomes

1081
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,320
If I think what I'm getting from the interlocal discussion

1082
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:48,880
is that

1083
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:52,800
We don't necessarily have the ability to regulate something

1084
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,679
that happens on state property

1085
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:57,559
But it would be beneficial to have a path forward even

1086
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:01,079
though you know, we're two separate entities and right

1087
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:02,760
It's you know, it's more

1088
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,360
As much as anything to outline the program

1089
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,679
What's expected of the University of North Texas and their?

1090
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:14,019
Logistics partner spin and then for you and T on our end to

1091
00:55:14,019 --> 00:55:16,869
know what's expected of us in terms of what would be

1092
00:55:16,869 --> 00:55:17,440
required

1093
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,920
Obviously a permit would be required, but it but maybe the

1094
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,000
interlocal agreement would

1095
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:26,710
Wouldn't make that permit not necessary because you now

1096
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:29,480
have a separate agreement that outlines

1097
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,190
You know how we would how we would interface with the

1098
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:34,639
University of North Texas

1099
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:37,929
So I guess the concern then it sounds like is well what

1100
00:55:37,929 --> 00:55:40,360
happens if there's more than a hundred bikes at the city

1101
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:43,079
somewhere spread around the city

1102
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,019
From for when you roll out the 250 number

1103
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:51,500
I don't even know how we would well

1104
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,119
Madam chair, I think what we would do is maintain them 100

1105
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:58,800
in terms of being within the city of Denton right away

1106
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,789
And so that's ease that that's feasible. They can still

1107
00:56:01,789 --> 00:56:03,139
station their their bikes

1108
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,320
whether there it's a regular spin bike or or a

1109
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,880
UNT branded by at

1110
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:13,170
DCTA or other points of interest just as long as that

1111
00:56:13,170 --> 00:56:15,539
number doesn't go over a hundred now

1112
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,199
Might that number go over a hundred between say?

1113
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,840
530 to 8 p.m. At night

1114
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,159
Potentially, but what's that? What's that overall number?

1115
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:28,579
Maybe in the 10 to 20 percent over that number?

1116
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,679
But certainly by 0 700 the next morning

1117
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,889
Sure, that's gonna be back down to an acceptable number of

1118
00:56:35,889 --> 00:56:38,679
something a well less than 100 bikes

1119
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,500
Well, I'm okay with proceeding with interlocal or at least

1120
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:43,840
taking it up to council to have that discussion

1121
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,719
I think that that would be great direction because I think

1122
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,659
that that the interlocal agreement means that the city and

1123
00:56:49,659 --> 00:56:50,900
that the City Council is

1124
00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:53,719
Aware that they're gonna be actually more than a hundred

1125
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:54,039
bikes

1126
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:56,239
from that vendor

1127
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,760
potentially potentially but that that

1128
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,639
There's an effort to to control that

1129
00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:06,190
And and then they're aware of it and and then if they're it

1130
00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:10,679
appears that there's a need to make an adjustment in the

1131
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:12,400
ordinance itself

1132
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,159
That could be done

1133
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:16,760
either either

1134
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,070
When that interlocal agreement comes up or at a later time,

1135
00:57:20,070 --> 00:57:23,039
right? I would expect that that the council would

1136
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,079
would be interested in bringing a a

1137
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,090
Quick work session item right as part of that as part of

1138
00:57:31,090 --> 00:57:32,960
that discussion sometime in the May

1139
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:38,360
And they'll be even slower without two of the sharpest

1140
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:39,820
members going off council

1141
00:57:42,119 --> 00:57:44,739
The we'll miss your leadership, I'm sure

1142
00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:48,119
You'll miss the the stupid stories

1143
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,820
One thing I would suggest is so so often. Here's one of the

1144
00:57:52,820 --> 00:57:53,239
few things

1145
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:56,230
I've learned in nine years is that when council simply

1146
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:56,719
reacts

1147
00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:01,920
To a situation or is doing it by reacting

1148
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,190
We tend to not maybe do as well and that we need to think

1149
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:07,039
in terms of what our goals are

1150
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,000
Every time that we make an action and for me when we're

1151
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,559
talking about about

1152
00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:16,039
Bike share I

1153
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:19,880
Think that our goal is to allow for bike share as a

1154
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,880
transportation option

1155
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,239
for students and residents of the city of Denton

1156
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:31,300
But to allow it in a way that is respectful of private

1157
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:32,159
property and

1158
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,960
Does not interfere with other mobility options

1159
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,960
Particularly

1160
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,429
Interfering with pedestrian facilities in other words

1161
00:58:42,429 --> 00:58:42,920
blocking

1162
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,010
Sidewalks and things like that. So if we can if we can find

1163
00:58:47,010 --> 00:58:47,880
a path forward

1164
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:50,980
That that that allows even more people to have the

1165
00:58:50,980 --> 00:58:54,280
opportunity to participate in bike share program

1166
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,349
But do it in a way that's respectful private property

1167
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:59,920
respectful of

1168
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:02,480
the right of ways I

1169
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,480
Think that everybody ends up winning

1170
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,920
and so if we can maybe keep those goals in mind and

1171
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,400
reference back to them and and and check and see if if if

1172
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,920
if those goals are

1173
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:21,369
The goals that the entire council or the consensus of

1174
00:59:21,369 --> 00:59:24,920
council wants to work towards because it's easier for you

1175
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:25,320
guys to

1176
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,360
craft

1177
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,360
Policies if you know what what are the end goal is

1178
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:36,039
So if I'm understanding correctly

1179
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,469
We have direction on item C which is that we'd like to go

1180
00:59:39,469 --> 00:59:42,219
ahead and have the interlocal agreement

1181
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,960
reviewed by City Council

1182
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,480
on item B I

1183
00:59:47,519 --> 00:59:51,469
Hear you know a kind of broad like 30,000 foot view of the

1184
00:59:51,469 --> 00:59:51,840
goals

1185
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,840
Are there any specific items?

1186
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,480
regarding the ordinance that

1187
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:02,510
I would recommend that that that we come back maybe that

1188
01:00:02,510 --> 01:00:02,719
the

1189
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:08,219
this time next year that that it become a part of an agenda

1190
01:00:08,219 --> 01:00:12,260
item for mobility or council to come back and review a

1191
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,239
year's worth of experience on the campus and

1192
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,000
a

1193
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,280
Review of the ordinance itself and if if the ordinance as

1194
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,599
it stands is appropriate if it needs to be adjusted

1195
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:31,679
if it needs to be changed from an ordinance that allows

1196
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:34,480
just any number of vendors to come to a

1197
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,739
Single a single source through a RFP

1198
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:45,969
You know, I think that that that this time next year there

1199
01:00:45,969 --> 01:00:48,480
will be a lot more experience a lot more knowledge and

1200
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:51,639
Some decisions could be made

1201
01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:55,440
Are you suggesting them that the existing pilot program

1202
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:56,760
which is a six month?

1203
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,230
Program that sunsets in the September 2018 time frame may

1204
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:03,300
be extended

1205
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,889
To the spring of 2019. You know, I don't I don't think we

1206
01:01:06,889 --> 01:01:08,280
're gonna know anything

1207
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,400
but all we know by September of 2018 is that

1208
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,679
that the bikes bailed I

1209
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:18,739
Don't know that we're gonna get much more information

1210
01:01:18,739 --> 01:01:20,320
between understood. Okay

1211
01:01:25,559 --> 01:01:27,559
So definitely coming back with

1212
01:01:28,159 --> 01:01:30,400
you know a follow-up on the interlocal in

1213
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,400
A year's time as far as the actual ordinance itself. I mean

1214
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,760
, I'm trying to figure out exactly what

1215
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,320
Changes might need to be made and

1216
01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:44,280
What I heard I think was data

1217
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:47,960
The bike corralling issue perhaps

1218
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:51,679
And bike caps

1219
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:55,829
I'm okay with sending that back up to council. It'll be a

1220
01:01:55,829 --> 01:02:00,480
new council. I won't be there. It's the best of luck

1221
01:02:03,559 --> 01:02:07,829
Can I ask a question of the committee so as far as the

1222
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:10,179
making potential amendments to the ordinance to

1223
01:02:10,719 --> 01:02:13,480
Extended additional say till next spring

1224
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,889
We would need to bring this probably back to mobility just

1225
01:02:17,889 --> 01:02:20,159
with those amendments and those suggested changes

1226
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,360
And then take it before the council, correct

1227
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,119
Just just making sure yeah

1228
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,099
I'm probably you know with I think the thing that I

1229
01:02:30,099 --> 01:02:31,079
remember the

1230
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:34,369
most from our discussion was the intense interest in the

1231
01:02:34,369 --> 01:02:35,599
bike corralling and

1232
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:38,400
Keeping the right-of-ways clear because it's not just for

1233
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,349
pedestrians. It's for people who have limited mobility to

1234
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:42,059
disabilities

1235
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:45,380
Or you know, they might trip on a bike

1236
01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:48,429
I think somebody in Dallas actually did injure their ACL or

1237
01:02:48,429 --> 01:02:51,349
something really horrible and it was somebody who was

1238
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:52,300
vision impaired

1239
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,369
So, I mean, I think we have obligation to keep those

1240
01:02:55,369 --> 01:02:58,599
pathways clear. So with the understanding that you know

1241
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:03,099
The overarching direction is I think maintain is the same

1242
01:03:03,099 --> 01:03:05,840
we have to keep right-of-ways clear and I think

1243
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,159
correct

1244
01:03:08,159 --> 01:03:11,639
Holy wholeheartedly concur. I think one of the things we

1245
01:03:11,639 --> 01:03:14,760
can do is staff is we can incorporate a informal staff

1246
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,039
report and when an upcoming

1247
01:03:16,039 --> 01:03:18,969
Friday packet with this information knowing that North

1248
01:03:18,969 --> 01:03:22,809
Texas is pursuing down this path with with the with that M

1249
01:03:22,809 --> 01:03:23,840
OU and certainly

1250
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,639
Texas women's as well with with spin

1251
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,909
Incorporate those those points and an ISR and also lay out

1252
01:03:30,909 --> 01:03:32,400
that in an upcoming

1253
01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:35,079
mobility committee meeting will be bringing forward some

1254
01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:37,440
recommended amendments to the ordinance because

1255
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,320
By the time September comes around the semester will have

1256
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:41,039
just started

1257
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,070
You're not gonna have a whole lot if you really much data

1258
01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:46,079
to really get back to the city. So

1259
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,760
The path forward is to make the extension and then just see

1260
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,519
how that how that plays out

1261
01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:54,699
And I think we we had a discussion about doing an RFP

1262
01:03:54,699 --> 01:03:55,280
process

1263
01:03:56,039 --> 01:03:58,039
I thought that that was a part of our

1264
01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:01,800
Ordinance that there would be we would be looking into an

1265
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,960
RFP process at the end of the six at the end of the

1266
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,280
Yeah

1267
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:08,519
Okay

1268
01:04:08,519 --> 01:04:11,039
Yes, the one other thing is that when when there's a

1269
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:14,119
revisit at the mobility committee if we could have

1270
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,130
Representatives from UNT and TWA you here to kind of share

1271
01:04:17,130 --> 01:04:20,639
with us their experience. I think that would that would be

1272
01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:21,440
beneficial

1273
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:26,380
Thank you have your direction any other questions for us

1274
01:04:27,559 --> 01:04:31,059
Not on this particular item. Okay, great. Well in that case

1275
01:04:31,059 --> 01:04:32,679
, we'll move on to item D, which is

1276
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:36,119
Yes, may I suggest a take a couple of yeah, we'll take a

1277
01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:39,079
little break so people can you don't want to hear all of

1278
01:04:39,079 --> 01:04:39,199
our

1279
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:40,639
other business

1280
01:04:40,639 --> 01:04:42,639
We'll take a five minute break

1281
01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:50,710
Okay, we're back from our break we're gonna take these

1282
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:54,010
items a little bit out of order to accommodate mr. Pulsar

1283
01:04:54,010 --> 01:04:54,639
schedule and

1284
01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:58,760
Just because we're interested item F receive a report hold

1285
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,679
a discussion and make recommendation

1286
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,130
Make a recommendation regarding past and pending actions of

1287
01:05:04,130 --> 01:05:04,559
the RTC

1288
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,880
So this is a follow-up from a

1289
01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:13,159
well

1290
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,340
This is a follow-up from an item that was considered last

1291
01:05:16,340 --> 01:05:16,719
month

1292
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,039
it's been an item in front of and that item is

1293
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,880
635 how to advance the 635 East project, which is a

1294
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,039
capacity project from

1295
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:34,079
US 75 East to I 30 and Mesquite so

1296
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,920
75 in Dallas to

1297
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,980
I30 and Mesquite and it's essentially adding additional

1298
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,889
Additional main lanes as well as the local or the regional

1299
01:05:47,889 --> 01:05:50,320
plan is to add these

1300
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,719
Managed toll lanes which also help fund that so with that

1301
01:05:54,719 --> 01:05:55,480
madam chair

1302
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,730
I can go up and walk through a presentation very quickly

1303
01:05:58,730 --> 01:06:00,199
that was given at RTC and

1304
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,929
Then have mr. Pulsar kind of walk through some additional

1305
01:06:03,929 --> 01:06:06,260
information that was just presented

1306
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:10,079
Within the last 24 to 48 hours that was not included in the

1307
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:12,039
backup material and as you know

1308
01:06:12,039 --> 01:06:14,139
There is a special call meeting tomorrow

1309
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,440
Thursday

1310
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:21,710
The 19th a special call meeting of the RTC to consider this

1311
01:06:21,710 --> 01:06:23,079
particular item

1312
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,840
So

1313
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,000
Again

1314
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,650
Mark Nelson director of transportation. This is a

1315
01:06:45,650 --> 01:06:48,860
presentation that was provided to the RTC last week at

1316
01:06:48,860 --> 01:06:49,840
their normal

1317
01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:52,480
regularly scheduled

1318
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,599
RTC meeting for April and

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Essentially what this presentation will show and I'm going

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to go through it very quickly

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It shows a handful of different options that were

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identified by RTC staff in terms of

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What what

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What are the different

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How might they be able to advance the project from a no-

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build scenario to a scenario?

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which

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RTC staff has has advocated from very very early on there's

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essentially 12 different options

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So with that I'm going to move through that very quickly.

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This information is in your backup. It's also then been put

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online

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So this again is a no-build again quickly just taking a

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look at it. It is from 75 here

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generally on the north easterly side of Dallas to

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Mesquite at

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I-30 and this is the existing conditions now. There's HOV

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lanes in there now

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They're told if you don't have X number of folks in your

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vehicle. So if you're not an HOV you get

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You get you get a toll. That's a critical point

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This corridor already has a toll-managed lane in it while

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we're asking to do is that a secondary toll-managed lane?

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the officials that we've met with

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To negotiate this issue. We're not even aware that there

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was currently a toll-managed lane in this corridor

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So this is option two it really just starts bringing

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forward

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how you might be able to do the overall project and

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These are non toll in the middle not you go ahead and add

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the additional capacity additional

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general purpose lane in each direction and then adding the

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express toll lane down the middle two lanes in each

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direction just this express lane and

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This is those lanes will be free to travel on and they

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would have fewer

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entrances and exits and it's called an express lane and

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there's only one

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Express lane that exists in the entire state of Texas and

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that's the elevated section of 35 through Austin

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So when you envision how this would work and you put a

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grade to whether it works well or not

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Imagine the elevated section of 35 in Austin

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Moving on to option three this essentially provides the

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additional

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Capacity in terms of a general purpose lane in each

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direction. However

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Here in the median it is not it's not developed

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So it essentially is a leaveout for a future decision to be

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made or funding

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to advance a project that may or may not come at some point

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down the road

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Fairly similar situation

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In option four

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And I guess the reason there's different options that all

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look alike from a cross-section is those are different ways

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of funding

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the 10 and

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2 frontage so the these cross sections be

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Concurrent to the options, but the options were different

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ways of funding a family of projects. There's like six

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families of projects

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Here's where it starts changing a little bit in this

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particular family where you're only doing a certain section

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basically from

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75 down to the Royal Miller intersection here and then you

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have a different you have a different

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option east of there to six to thirty so this

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Basically says in the original environmental assessment it

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called for toll manage lanes down to Royal Miller and

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Express lanes all the way down to 30 in this particular

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alternative

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You would build the toll manage lanes to Royal Miller and

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you leave blank leave it open in the green section

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So there would be no express lanes there to further

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decision

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So does the does this option option six the blue section

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Does that blue section pretty much resemble what we see to

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the west on 635?

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Yes, sir

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so what happens on 635 to the west of there is as you come

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into the

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LBJ Express corridor, it's got six lanes of toll manage

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lane three in each direction

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And so as you get closer to 75 it drops down to two four in

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each direction

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And then as you come around an existing

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After you cross 75 it drops down to one. So it goes three

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two one what the blue segment in this would add

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additional two for a total of four

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So we'd continue that cross section from D&T over to 75

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which is the four toll management

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And those are toll managed lanes in the current

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north part of 635 that are

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Both directions all day long all day 24 hours and there's

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are going to be a point we talk about

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24 hours a day seven days a week for a reason and we'll get

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into that okay

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Option six John

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It's just an alternate way of being able to do the same

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thing because you'll see it says open median for future

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development

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So we would do the same thing as option six. It would just

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be funded differently

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Option eight same thing. It's a different alternative

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And here is where we get to it a different

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Scenario where we would build to Royal Miller the toll

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managed lanes and then from Royal Miller down

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We'd open them up and build them as an express lanes

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Okay in text that I mean cog would pay for the

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express lanes

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Text that would pay for I mean the toll managed lanes and

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text that would pay for the

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non-tolled express lanes

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This is the actual alternative that the

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RTC passed our

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Resolution last year is called 1701

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That says that we're going to told all four lanes all the

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way in 30 from 75 to 30

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and in doing that is

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Part of actually a funding scheme to pay for yes, sir

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We'll split those hairs in a minute in 711 is just simply

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another way of doing the same thing from a different to

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lling

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A different financing mechanism

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same insane

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And that's all we have on the okay on the documentation

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other than the

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so the the conversations that are

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Being had is is that there's about anywhere between

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355 million in a tiffy alone is needed to be able to do

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this alternative

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In order to do the tiffy alone the feds require you to toll

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the facility

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24 hours a day seven days a week they want the maximum

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amount of revenue

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underlying their loan

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If the state was willing to go ahead and pay the on top of

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the 300 million that we're asking for them go ahead and

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Pay the additional

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355 million

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The RTC could then turn around and only operate the toll

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managed lanes as a congestion management tool

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Which means it would be in the a.m. In the p.m. Peak

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periods the rest of those alternate times would be free

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Weekends would be free because you only want to use the

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toll component as a congestion management tool

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That's why even if they were willing to pay for it. The

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region doesn't want to give up and turn those into

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general purpose lanes because imagine

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you've got seven lanes of traffic because

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We'll get this with the conversation. We have a lieutenant

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governor. The question was why don't we

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Go ahead and just build all seven free lanes and let

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everybody drive where they want

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And the answer is is that everybody when you have seven

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lanes, they're gonna spread out into seven lanes

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You've got eight lanes will spread out into eight lanes and

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you don't have any

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differential movements through the corridor what these

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managed lanes do during congestion periods is act as a as a

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Pressure release valve and so what happens is you have a

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corridor that has a higher level of speed that can make it

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to that

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location quicker and faster and more predictable and

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Even when you don't drive on the managed lanes by having

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them there the general purpose lanes end up

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Increasing their travel time speed. So the information we

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have on 35

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North Terrain Express and LBJ is that the p.m. Peak and a.m

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. Peak period

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Lowest level of traffic speed average drops to 50 miles an

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hour from the posted 60 before they were introduced in

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those corridors

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They were into the 25 30 miles an hour. So even if you

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never take the toll lanes

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You're benefiting

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Second reason why we couldn't do this just turn them to

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seven GPS is because as a non-attainment area

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North Texas is required to

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Before they add any single occupant vehicle

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Capacity improvement they have to demonstrate that

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congestion management

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Alternatives don't exist. They clearly exist in this

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corridor by using the toll managed lanes

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And so we we would have to buck the feds on that

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So the last week there was a resolution that was going to

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be passed that basically says we're standing by our

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1701 policy for this alternative

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because of air quality issues because of conformity because

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of federal law and

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Because it's with the will of the people in this corridor

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and then they come back and they describe exactly

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What it is by putting into words what that?

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exhibit

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Shows somewhere along the way

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The chairman of the RTC Rob Frankie had some conversations

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with the chairman of the Commission

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Chairman bug and he says hold off on the resolution for a

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week

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We need a little bit more time to work something out with

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the governor

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Wasn't really clear on what it was, but we found that

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afterwards that somewhere along the way bug and the

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governor realized

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There's already a toll managed lane operating in the

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corridor

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Right and so the compromise was going to be hey, we're

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going to let you go back with one

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and

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the reason the one toll managed lane doesn't work is

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because

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There are people that get into that toll managed lane and

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actually drive

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the speed limit on the general purpose side

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And the toll managed lane has a higher speed and if you get

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in and you're paying a toll

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And you're stuck behind somebody who's driving the same

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speed as the GP's

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You can't get around them and you can't get out for a while

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So it depresses the use of that corridor and so if you have

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two lanes

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We've seen that where you have alternate additional

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capacity those managed lanes get used more so

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Essentially they were going to try to get us to agree to

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just go back with what we had and there obviously that's

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not going to work

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for the region and so

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Chairman Frankie has made several calls to chairman bug

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Over the last Friday through today and they've not been

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returned a councilman climbing from city of Dallas. Who's

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you know

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Significantly impacted by this corridor has made multiple

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calls to the chairman. They have not been returned

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Commissioner each met with lieutenant governor Dan Patrick.

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I call lieutenant Dan and

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Patrick compared the managed lanes

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I mean the the managed lanes in North Texas to the lanes on

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the Katy freeway. He said the Katy freeway

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lanes

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Don't have anybody in them

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Well, Commissioner reads is a very astute human being but

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he's not an expert on transportation

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So he wasn't aware of the fact that what's on the Katy free

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way is an HOV lane is where the region was 20 years ago

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Right. Nobody uses an HOV lane. So he's comparing the Katy

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freeway

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Experience to what we have up here. So he's clueless on

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what told manage lanes are

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He doesn't he's not aware of the fact that can air quality

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conformity issues

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require the regions to do certain things and

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To do what the lieutenant governor wants will require us to

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violate federal law. And so

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We're gonna be drafting a letter for him

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And basically give back all the stuff that we put out in

1577
01:19:36,300 --> 01:19:38,399
these presentations before

1578
01:19:39,359 --> 01:19:43,279
The blue-collar worker as he calls them benefits if he

1579
01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:44,020
never touches it

1580
01:19:44,119 --> 01:19:47,140
There's air quality issues that we have to consider and the

1581
01:19:47,140 --> 01:19:49,479
HOV lane truly doesn't work

1582
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,800
He's right and that's why we're building told manage length

1583
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:52,640
. And so we're gonna try to

1584
01:19:53,399 --> 01:19:54,760
basically

1585
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,470
Put it in writing that he doesn't know what he's talking

1586
01:19:57,470 --> 01:19:58,600
about and then move on

1587
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:01,680
And so tomorrow

1588
01:20:02,119 --> 01:20:04,680
You're putting it in writing to educate him. I

1589
01:20:06,199 --> 01:20:08,199
Thought that's what I said

1590
01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:12,069
Well, see the answer the reason I didn't say it that way

1591
01:20:12,069 --> 01:20:14,680
because I do not believe he's gonna be able to be educated

1592
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:18,920
Oh, and the reason is and this the reason is this is my

1593
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:19,979
opinion not yours

1594
01:20:22,119 --> 01:20:25,770
Abbott and Patrick are looking at their political careers

1595
01:20:25,770 --> 01:20:27,699
and Abbott's worried that Patrick's trying to get to the

1596
01:20:27,699 --> 01:20:29,239
right of them and Patrick's trying

1597
01:20:29,239 --> 01:20:31,720
To reward to make sure that he stays to the right for the

1598
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:32,479
next cycle

1599
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:34,800
And so in the conversation each the conversation we've had

1600
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,479
with the governor lieutenant governor

1601
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,039
They both asked what's what's the other guy doing?

1602
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,890
Right, and so they're they're vying against each other and

1603
01:20:42,890 --> 01:20:46,399
has nothing to do with the policy. So

1604
01:20:47,279 --> 01:20:50,520
We're gonna respond to check the box, but we don't think he

1605
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,340
's gonna learn anything from it

1606
01:20:52,340 --> 01:20:55,479
So we just have to move forward and where I think the RTC

1607
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:56,600
is going tomorrow

1608
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,300
Is they're gonna affirm the resolution is originally

1609
01:20:59,300 --> 01:21:02,659
written and I think that you're gonna hear a city of Dallas

1610
01:21:02,659 --> 01:21:03,579
suggests that

1611
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,840
The state of Texas is usurping some of the federal

1612
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,359
authority that the RTC has and the only way to

1613
01:21:14,279 --> 01:21:16,279
Resolve that is through

1614
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:18,840
litigation

1615
01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:21,680
In federal court, yes, sir

1616
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,680
So that's where I was last month could occur

1617
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,800
I'm really worried about the five million dollars a month

1618
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:38,380
project cost that's going up on the 635 project because

1619
01:21:38,380 --> 01:21:40,039
litigation doesn't take a

1620
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:45,010
Month that takes 17 25 months may take so long to resolve

1621
01:21:45,010 --> 01:21:47,199
they'll dig their heels in I

1622
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:51,159
Think we will win will prevail because they don't even have

1623
01:21:51,159 --> 01:21:54,279
legislative authority to act the way that they're acting

1624
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,000
But it's a political move for them

1625
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,800
To behave this way as you mentioned

1626
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:03,359
So what happens to the 635 project in terms of the funding?

1627
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,189
because all of this goes I mean the reason the region the

1628
01:22:06,189 --> 01:22:07,840
region is interested because

1629
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,689
All of our projects are tied to a large pot of money and it

1630
01:22:12,689 --> 01:22:16,239
affects us indirectly or directly in the case of Dallas

1631
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:20,699
What happens when that money is being squandered while we

1632
01:22:20,699 --> 01:22:21,319
're?

1633
01:22:22,079 --> 01:22:24,079
You know trying to assert our authority

1634
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:26,279
so

1635
01:22:26,279 --> 01:22:29,439
The fact that the project escalates in cost

1636
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,800
over time I

1637
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,800
Was arguing that that was a false

1638
01:22:36,039 --> 01:22:38,140
argument to begin with because

1639
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,880
all projects

1640
01:22:41,079 --> 01:22:43,079
35w is a 1 billion dollar project

1641
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,880
By the time we get around actually doing what we're gonna

1642
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:47,520
do there

1643
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:51,239
It's gonna cost significantly more in the future than it is

1644
01:22:51,239 --> 01:22:53,760
today every projects that way so I think

1645
01:22:54,279 --> 01:22:57,159
That whoever proffered that argument up front

1646
01:22:58,319 --> 01:23:01,159
Didn't think it through because nothing cost you

1647
01:23:02,119 --> 01:23:03,840
less in the future

1648
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:08,000
So that's gonna occur on all projects the more danger we

1649
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,840
have is if we allow the state to come in and dictate

1650
01:23:13,159 --> 01:23:16,890
What we know doesn't work for political reasons it'll start

1651
01:23:16,890 --> 01:23:17,779
to impact

1652
01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:23,369
Property taxes all those other issues and you'll end up

1653
01:23:23,369 --> 01:23:24,420
being a war to the state

1654
01:23:25,079 --> 01:23:28,970
And so the answer is the best the safest the safest path

1655
01:23:28,970 --> 01:23:32,800
forward if we can't get them to do alternative 11 or 12

1656
01:23:33,159 --> 01:23:36,090
Is the no build and leave it as it is until they come

1657
01:23:36,090 --> 01:23:36,640
around?

1658
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,489
John I have appreciated you for my entire nine years in

1659
01:23:42,489 --> 01:23:46,600
your frankness and I like your humor, too

1660
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,319
In this particular case I would say

1661
01:23:53,359 --> 01:23:57,239
It may be helpful to dial back a little bit of the strong

1662
01:23:57,239 --> 01:23:59,520
feelings that you have for this reason

1663
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:02,800
Whereas a lawsuit

1664
01:24:03,279 --> 01:24:05,760
May eventually get us where we want to be

1665
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,920
Remember that when you talk about the political realities

1666
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,289
Both of the the the leaders and the governor and the

1667
01:24:16,289 --> 01:24:18,239
lieutenant governor

1668
01:24:19,239 --> 01:24:21,239
would probably embrace

1669
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:23,840
being sued by a

1670
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,800
Liberal big city

1671
01:24:28,039 --> 01:24:30,039
In the in the federal government

1672
01:24:31,079 --> 01:24:34,909
That that actually is part of their political narrative and

1673
01:24:34,909 --> 01:24:38,319
I don't think that that serves as a I

1674
01:24:39,279 --> 01:24:41,939
Mean it might finally get us where we want to be but I

1675
01:24:41,939 --> 01:24:45,949
think in the process it plays it plays right into what they

1676
01:24:45,949 --> 01:24:46,279
want

1677
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,359
So so I don't know I'm calling it back

1678
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:56,250
Be I'm gonna work on that I want you to be but well I like

1679
01:24:56,250 --> 01:24:59,119
being I like hearing the unvarnished truth from you here

1680
01:25:01,079 --> 01:25:03,800
But the person on the phone with the lieutenant governor

1681
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:07,949
wasn't the county judge of Dallas County, which is purple

1682
01:25:07,949 --> 01:25:09,359
or blue

1683
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,760
It was the county commissioner

1684
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,399
Reddish County on the in the region, right?

1685
01:25:16,399 --> 01:25:20,279
And he's backed up by Colin and Rockwell County and coffee

1686
01:25:20,279 --> 01:25:21,920
can switch all very red

1687
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:24,640
the

1688
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:27,659
Senator that was opposing this that actually has the

1689
01:25:27,659 --> 01:25:29,960
project the Republican Party

1690
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:32,760
editorial convention passed a resolution

1691
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,729
Demanding toll-managed lanes, so we're not allowing City of

1692
01:25:36,729 --> 01:25:37,800
Dallas or

1693
01:25:39,279 --> 01:25:41,279
Any of the blue

1694
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,310
Colored folks have a conversation because they're that

1695
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:46,159
would play into their hands, right?

1696
01:25:47,079 --> 01:25:49,880
My point to you is is that no build

1697
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:55,119
Puts the ball back on their court. Yeah as far as not

1698
01:25:56,079 --> 01:25:57,159
performing

1699
01:25:57,159 --> 01:25:59,699
So I don't know what I'm just saying that City of Dallas

1700
01:25:59,699 --> 01:26:02,239
threw that out there. That's the next step

1701
01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:04,760
I don't know if the RTC as a whole is gonna pick that up

1702
01:26:05,039 --> 01:26:08,310
But the reality is there isn't gonna be any education of

1703
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:10,520
the governor lieutenant governor

1704
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,899
And the chairman of the commission is not even returning

1705
01:26:12,899 --> 01:26:15,319
the call because it's not about the facts

1706
01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:19,270
It's a political play sure and so I'm willing to just wait

1707
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:19,920
them out

1708
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:24,680
Because when I started this two things one Michael Morris

1709
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,479
was still the director of transportation back in 1991

1710
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:30,880
and

1711
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,880
Ann Richards, I think was governor then

1712
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:36,680
Governors and lieutenant governors come and go

1713
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,520
State reps state senators come and go

1714
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:44,659
The RTC is about as stable organization as you get and will

1715
01:26:44,659 --> 01:26:46,960
outlast them too. So I'm not worried about

1716
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,409
These two guys or whoever their friends are I'm worried

1717
01:26:51,409 --> 01:26:51,859
about RTC

1718
01:26:53,279 --> 01:26:57,340
Selling their principles that will damage you drastically

1719
01:26:57,340 --> 01:26:59,840
dip more to 635 in the future

1720
01:27:00,279 --> 01:27:02,279
and so yeah, I'm

1721
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,380
I'll talk I'll tone it down and when I need to

1722
01:27:06,399 --> 01:27:08,399
But I never know when that is

1723
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:16,680
Yes, sir

1724
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:23,359
Any other questions on the update on our TSA

1725
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:27,750
We can bring that I'm looking at the caption it says make

1726
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:32,100
recommendation regarding past and pending actions

1727
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,720
Of the RTC obviously we don't have time

1728
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,890
To get any type of direction from counsel, but we have the

1729
01:27:37,890 --> 01:27:40,890
prior resolution that was passed which is in support of

1730
01:27:40,890 --> 01:27:41,779
local control

1731
01:27:42,319 --> 01:27:44,800
So I'm guessing I have to use my judgment if there's a vote

1732
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:53,640
First basically says support 1701. Yeah

1733
01:28:05,399 --> 01:28:07,399
Are you not on

1734
01:28:08,359 --> 01:28:12,119
If they can get the TIFI alone covered then

1735
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,729
There the region would then go back to because the policy

1736
01:28:15,729 --> 01:28:17,920
says it's a congestion management tool

1737
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,390
The revenue helps but the congestion management is the key

1738
01:28:21,390 --> 01:28:24,229
to what we're trying to get to if we can get them to pay

1739
01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:24,479
because

1740
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,000
The lieutenant governor goes well, why don't we just paid

1741
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,079
you to build all that is toll as a free

1742
01:28:29,260 --> 01:28:31,550
We would still need the ability to do the congestion

1743
01:28:31,550 --> 01:28:34,699
management and if we can get somebody cover the TIFI alone

1744
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,180
Then we operate at four hours in the morning

1745
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:42,600
Four hours in the evening. So that's eight out of 24 and

1746
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:42,800
then

1747
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:46,229
Two days on the weekend are free. And so the majority of

1748
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:48,920
the time those manage lanes are operating

1749
01:28:49,399 --> 01:28:51,399
They're free

1750
01:28:52,279 --> 01:28:54,279
That's the compromise

1751
01:28:56,279 --> 01:29:00,479
Okay, well I'll never understand why I

1752
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:04,279
Mean, it's it's complicated, but it's not rocket surgery

1753
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:06,279
so

1754
01:29:06,279 --> 01:29:08,720
Yeah, I just don't understand

1755
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,880
People don't understand

1756
01:29:11,359 --> 01:29:16,079
How tolls actually work, you know, it's a progressive form

1757
01:29:16,079 --> 01:29:16,760
of taxation

1758
01:29:17,079 --> 01:29:20,729
It's congestion management. It affects behavior. It affects

1759
01:29:20,729 --> 01:29:21,239
air quality

1760
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:26,220
anyway, that's my one final point to just point reason why

1761
01:29:26,220 --> 01:29:28,970
these people aren't really wanting to be educated is

1762
01:29:28,970 --> 01:29:29,479
because

1763
01:29:30,359 --> 01:29:33,520
when the conversation with lieutenant pat lieutenant

1764
01:29:34,399 --> 01:29:36,399
governor Patrick

1765
01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:39,489
Lieutenant governor Patrick would not allow Commissioner E

1766
01:29:39,489 --> 01:29:42,060
ads to have anybody else on the phone staff wise

1767
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:45,689
But he had three other people on the phone with him to give

1768
01:29:45,689 --> 01:29:49,039
him information. So he's not looking for

1769
01:29:52,039 --> 01:29:55,300
The answer he's looking for the his answer

1770
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,380
and so it was it was very it was enlightening because I

1771
01:29:58,380 --> 01:30:00,119
think Commissioner Eads was

1772
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:02,800
still thinking that there was a

1773
01:30:03,279 --> 01:30:06,119
Statesman involved in this scenario. He's no longer

1774
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,000
suffering from that illusion

1775
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:14,079
On our next item for today we have item G

1776
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:16,920
Receive a report hold a discussion and provide direction

1777
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,340
Regarding text dots on system projects in the done area to

1778
01:30:20,340 --> 01:30:23,579
include 35e and you can go fast on this one

1779
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:28,319
Three items real quick. Okay, I was gonna say rather than

1780
01:30:28,319 --> 01:30:29,960
bring those up as we've done in the past

1781
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,479
He's gonna just yeah, just do the highlights because the

1782
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,300
information is in the backup as well as online

1783
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,840
So the major issues that we're dealing with right now is we

1784
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,600
are meeting I think next week again

1785
01:30:42,079 --> 01:30:45,859
But we meet regularly every two weeks or so on 2181 and

1786
01:30:45,859 --> 01:30:47,039
some of these other projects

1787
01:30:47,039 --> 01:30:50,760
But 2181 we have some utility conflicts that we're working

1788
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:51,039
through

1789
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,739
Everybody's got the shoulder to the wheel and we're trying

1790
01:30:54,739 --> 01:30:57,600
to resolve those utility conflicts

1791
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,449
But those utility conflicts have a potential to impact the

1792
01:31:00,449 --> 01:31:03,539
schedule and so that's why it's critical that we stay on

1793
01:31:03,539 --> 01:31:04,260
top of that

1794
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:08,550
Second good news Union Pacific Railroad. It only took us

1795
01:31:08,550 --> 01:31:10,960
ten years. They have signed the agreement

1796
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,520
Oh, so we are done and done the

1797
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:18,050
Project will let in July. It's fully funded and we're ready

1798
01:31:18,050 --> 01:31:20,960
to go on that and again on that topic before

1799
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:25,220
We let the contractor go to work and after it's awarded and

1800
01:31:25,220 --> 01:31:27,199
we know who the contractor is the number of hours

1801
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:31,449
In the number of days we will set up a public outreach with

1802
01:31:31,449 --> 01:31:32,880
the communities along

1803
01:31:33,359 --> 01:31:35,439
277 to make sure they understand what's about to happen

1804
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:42,859
And then 2499 section 5 it is essentially open at Robinson

1805
01:31:42,859 --> 01:31:44,000
now one lane in each direction

1806
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,899
We did it as a stop condition again, the signal is driving

1807
01:31:46,899 --> 01:31:47,399
the schedule

1808
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,529
but I think open it up to one lane in each direction has

1809
01:31:50,529 --> 01:31:52,640
pulled some of the pressure off of

1810
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:55,640
the folks and I think we're

1811
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:59,180
We're good there your 35 Mayhill

1812
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,369
Prinker project you notice that we've been changing lanes

1813
01:32:02,369 --> 01:32:03,319
out on the main lanes

1814
01:32:04,119 --> 01:32:07,520
In the last week or so the bridge demo, I think went fairly

1815
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:07,760
well

1816
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:11,310
I was out and around Saturday and I didn't see a whole lot

1817
01:32:11,310 --> 01:32:12,920
of trauma, but that's done

1818
01:32:14,039 --> 01:32:16,659
And so we're got to work on the schedule because they're

1819
01:32:16,659 --> 01:32:20,520
still saying December and we're still saying

1820
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:23,479
October and that's when

1821
01:32:25,239 --> 01:32:28,079
Buckeyes is telling us they'll be open in October in

1822
01:32:28,079 --> 01:32:28,520
October

1823
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:33,760
So that's that's why we need to stay on top of that one

1824
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:37,720
Yes

1825
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:40,720
Madame chair, I would just also let you know that we've we

1826
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:42,520
've been in in conversation with

1827
01:32:43,159 --> 01:32:44,479
Texta

1828
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:46,560
Denton area office to see if there's some other

1829
01:32:48,119 --> 01:32:50,659
Traffic mitigation options in terms of some additional sign

1830
01:32:50,659 --> 01:32:54,659
age along the frontage roads and some right-hand turn lanes

1831
01:32:54,659 --> 01:32:56,560
along Dallas Drive to help

1832
01:32:57,199 --> 01:32:59,960
the local traffic while the on ramp

1833
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:05,539
specifically the northbound on ramp just north of 288 since

1834
01:33:05,539 --> 01:33:08,479
that's going to be down for a minimum of five months

1835
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,859
so I think that's going to continue to create some

1836
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,680
traffic congestion and anything that we can do whether it's

1837
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:19,520
enhancements to signalization some advanced warning signs

1838
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:20,760
turn lanes

1839
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,310
So and so forth. That's what we're trying to work with the

1840
01:33:24,310 --> 01:33:25,520
text local office

1841
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:30,640
And I appreciate you. I requested some additional signs for

1842
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:34,529
The reduced lanes over by Mayhill and they were really

1843
01:33:34,529 --> 01:33:36,199
quick. I think they went up this morning

1844
01:33:36,199 --> 01:33:39,270
So I requested it yesterday day before so not to put too

1845
01:33:39,270 --> 01:33:40,640
fine a point on it, but

1846
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:43,520
it's incumbent upon me to

1847
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:47,680
to give you one warner caution on this is that

1848
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:52,239
To the extent that we toy a lot with the traffic control

1849
01:33:52,239 --> 01:33:54,880
that that OHL has we give them an excuse

1850
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:58,229
Right to miss their deadline. So we I know we got to

1851
01:33:58,229 --> 01:33:58,899
address it

1852
01:33:58,899 --> 01:34:02,260
But as we do it, we just need to do it in a manner that

1853
01:34:02,260 --> 01:34:04,359
doesn't give them a chance to well

1854
01:34:04,359 --> 01:34:07,039
I hope a sign doesn't you'd be surprised really?

1855
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:10,239
Okay, Wow

1856
01:34:10,239 --> 01:34:12,340
Learn something watching that I just wanted you to know

1857
01:34:12,340 --> 01:34:13,500
that okay that

1858
01:34:14,039 --> 01:34:16,260
If it doesn't happen as quickly as you wanted to sometimes

1859
01:34:16,260 --> 01:34:19,399
because we have to negotiate the impacts. I see okay

1860
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:21,359
Well, that's good to know

1861
01:34:21,359 --> 01:34:23,810
Spread the word. Okay. Well, you're free to go John. Thank

1862
01:34:23,810 --> 01:34:24,760
you. Appreciate it

1863
01:34:26,279 --> 01:34:31,060
Yeah, thanks John try to keep that blood pressure low

1864
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:36,989
We're gonna jump back to item D which is consider a

1865
01:34:36,989 --> 01:34:37,560
resolution

1866
01:34:38,199 --> 01:34:40,199
of the City Council of the city of Denton

1867
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:42,930
appointing a primary and alternate member as official

1868
01:34:42,930 --> 01:34:43,840
voting reps to the

1869
01:34:44,199 --> 01:34:48,039
North Texas cog RTC and providing an effective date and

1870
01:34:48,039 --> 01:34:49,880
this is to replace my seat

1871
01:34:50,079 --> 01:34:52,079
Since I'll be rolling off

1872
01:34:53,399 --> 01:34:55,399
Correct so

1873
01:34:55,399 --> 01:34:58,079
It's my part to mention with her

1874
01:34:59,159 --> 01:35:03,430
Vacating the position and we've been requested to go ahead

1875
01:35:03,430 --> 01:35:06,659
and advance or staff has been requested to go ahead and

1876
01:35:06,659 --> 01:35:07,239
advance

1877
01:35:09,119 --> 01:35:12,720
Councilmember Ryan as who is the current alternate

1878
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:16,560
Move him forward as or at least

1879
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:19,760
prepare a resolution that would

1880
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,140
nominate him or appoint him as the

1881
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:26,829
As the primary representative there's some other options as

1882
01:35:26,829 --> 01:35:29,760
to how you address the alternate position here

1883
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:31,960
So I did I kind of jump in for just a second

1884
01:35:32,319 --> 01:35:34,649
Councilwoman Briggs did express to me that she'd like to be

1885
01:35:34,649 --> 01:35:36,760
the alternate. So I wanted to advance that

1886
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:41,899
Well, if what we need is do we need a vote today to move

1887
01:35:41,899 --> 01:35:44,300
this to council? Yes

1888
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:48,220
That's correct. We've got it. I would move to

1889
01:35:50,119 --> 01:35:52,899
The resolution as it is to go to council and then council

1890
01:35:52,899 --> 01:35:57,399
can add the alternate. Okay, so that's my motion

1891
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,119
All right. I'll second that and all in favor

1892
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,300
Pass unanimously

1893
01:36:03,300 --> 01:36:05,369
Sorry to interrupt you. Do you want to go ahead and explain

1894
01:36:05,369 --> 01:36:07,319
the alternates that we have or do you want to explain it to

1895
01:36:07,319 --> 01:36:07,600
?

1896
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,159
the full council I

1897
01:36:09,159 --> 01:36:13,050
Can do that real quick here. Yeah, so in terms of the

1898
01:36:13,050 --> 01:36:15,319
alternate options in the past

1899
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:20,479
We've had both city of Denton elected officials

1900
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,909
So that's one of the other items is because we've appointed

1901
01:36:23,909 --> 01:36:25,140
an elected official

1902
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,710
The alternate must be an elected official now. The question

1903
01:36:28,710 --> 01:36:30,840
is whether that's an elected official from

1904
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:35,229
City of Denton or could it be from one of the cluster

1905
01:36:35,229 --> 01:36:37,949
cities which we represent and again just as a reminder and

1906
01:36:37,949 --> 01:36:38,840
it's in the backup

1907
01:36:39,039 --> 01:36:42,960
The city of Denton represents the city of Denton RTC seat

1908
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,119
represents a cluster of cities to meet population levels

1909
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,439
as set forth in the bylaws and those cities are

1910
01:36:51,319 --> 01:36:53,319
Moving from the south would be Lake Dallas

1911
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:57,420
Corinth and then Sanger to the north a community needs to

1912
01:36:57,420 --> 01:37:01,180
be at least 5,000 population to be represented on RTC

1913
01:37:01,180 --> 01:37:03,180
So there's a number of different

1914
01:37:03,180 --> 01:37:07,350
Seats on the RTC that are cluster cities or whereby there's

1915
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:08,199
more than one

1916
01:37:09,159 --> 01:37:11,520
municipality represented by a single seat now

1917
01:37:13,239 --> 01:37:15,920
The RTC has has encouraged

1918
01:37:17,239 --> 01:37:20,220
Sharing the seats among those different cities

1919
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:24,579
an important point with the city of Denton RTC seat is that

1920
01:37:25,159 --> 01:37:27,760
because the 1990 census when

1921
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:32,720
The city was over 50,000 population. We were awarded

1922
01:37:34,039 --> 01:37:37,680
We were established as an urbanized area and therefore

1923
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,710
Eligible or required them to create an MPO metropolitan

1924
01:37:41,710 --> 01:37:43,000
planning organization

1925
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:46,189
Rather than having all the additional overhead big of

1926
01:37:46,189 --> 01:37:48,039
creating said MPO

1927
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:53,840
We elected to join the North Central Texas Council of

1928
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:55,079
Governments and so

1929
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:58,159
As such we have a seat

1930
01:37:59,319 --> 01:38:02,640
That is really owned more or less by the city of Denton

1931
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:06,119
McKinney is in the same scenario as is the city of Louis

1932
01:38:06,119 --> 01:38:08,840
ville and so each of those cities also

1933
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:11,680
represent cluster cities, but they typically

1934
01:38:13,039 --> 01:38:15,039
Hold the seat for their

1935
01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:19,500
For their RTC representative from their respective councils

1936
01:38:19,500 --> 01:38:21,399
and then from time to time

1937
01:38:22,119 --> 01:38:26,000
They will appoint an alternate that that might serve in

1938
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:26,460
fact

1939
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:31,750
Back in the early believe 2012 to 2013 timeframe former

1940
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:35,770
mayor of Highland Village when we represented Highland

1941
01:38:35,770 --> 01:38:36,479
Village

1942
01:38:37,159 --> 01:38:40,810
Was the alternate for the city of Denton so that that is

1943
01:38:40,810 --> 01:38:41,840
also an option

1944
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,329
I just wanted to make sure that that was clear and also the

1945
01:38:44,329 --> 01:38:44,920
reason why

1946
01:38:46,279 --> 01:38:48,729
In the past the city of Denton has really pretty much held

1947
01:38:48,729 --> 01:38:49,539
the primary

1948
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:53,060
RTC position just to reiterate that so it

1949
01:38:54,159 --> 01:38:56,159
transfer of information if you will

1950
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:58,560
Okay, thank you

1951
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:01,000
So next item is

1952
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:03,399
Out of order here

1953
01:39:03,399 --> 01:39:06,020
It's item E receive a report hold a discussion and make a

1954
01:39:06,020 --> 01:39:08,279
recommendation to the Dunn City Council requesting

1955
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:11,920
DCTA to dedicate annual funding and the amount of two

1956
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:14,560
hundred fifty thousand to enhance passenger amenities

1957
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,880
I thought we already did this at the council level

1958
01:39:18,319 --> 01:39:20,770
Do we need to do it here too? I mean we can that's fine. I

1959
01:39:20,770 --> 01:39:23,399
just thought it was already done. I

1960
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:29,479
Think then tent was excuse me. It was when was brought up

1961
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:30,199
by

1962
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:33,279
Mr. When mr. Klein came and visited with council

1963
01:39:33,279 --> 01:39:35,729
I know there was a directive by council to incorporate that

1964
01:39:35,729 --> 01:39:37,000
those additional amenities

1965
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:39,989
I thought that what we were thinking of staff is to bring

1966
01:39:39,989 --> 01:39:42,800
forward the item to mobility

1967
01:39:43,079 --> 01:39:46,149
To then take formal action so a resolution could be

1968
01:39:46,149 --> 01:39:49,079
considered by the full council to basically

1969
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:53,399
Just formalize the request. I think madam chair one of the

1970
01:39:53,399 --> 01:39:55,640
other items was is the number of two hundred and

1971
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:00,569
Number of two hundred and fifty thousand was was given but

1972
01:40:00,569 --> 01:40:02,399
at the same time the I

1973
01:40:03,399 --> 01:40:06,069
Guess staff's understanding was this would provide an

1974
01:40:06,069 --> 01:40:09,750
opportunity to discuss if 250 is the correct number if you

1975
01:40:09,750 --> 01:40:11,159
wanted to consider another number

1976
01:40:11,279 --> 01:40:13,720
if not, we'll still we've got it set for

1977
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:18,460
We've got a teed up for council action on the 24th. So

1978
01:40:18,460 --> 01:40:19,680
whatever your pleasure is

1979
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:21,750
We've we've got it listed right now at two hundred and

1980
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:22,520
fifty thousand

1981
01:40:25,039 --> 01:40:29,960
Well, I'm okay, I don't know what the right number is

1982
01:40:32,159 --> 01:40:34,159
What I would

1983
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:37,800
I'd like I'd like to to a little more

1984
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:41,659
Certainty that that number really reflects what it would

1985
01:40:41,659 --> 01:40:45,119
take on a year-to-year basis to

1986
01:40:46,199 --> 01:40:50,210
To address the needs, you know is do we need more is is

1987
01:40:50,210 --> 01:40:52,279
that really too much?

1988
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:58,039
And I don't know where to get the answer on that

1989
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:01,789
That's part of what I requested when we had our DCT a

1990
01:41:01,789 --> 01:41:04,289
meeting was kind of to figure out the process that they

1991
01:41:04,289 --> 01:41:04,640
have

1992
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:08,189
of how they put in passenger amenities how it's determined

1993
01:41:08,189 --> 01:41:08,920
what's put in and

1994
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:13,159
You know without that process in place on their part, which

1995
01:41:13,159 --> 01:41:14,920
they don't have that process in place

1996
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:17,760
I feel like we're not going to be able to reach a number

1997
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:19,680
you just kind of have to pick a number that

1998
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:22,920
Seems reasonable and then dial it back if it's too much

1999
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:26,460
Ramp it up, but they need a chance to develop their process

2000
01:41:26,460 --> 01:41:28,239
and without some direction from us

2001
01:41:28,239 --> 01:41:31,329
I don't think that they will with with that understanding

2002
01:41:31,329 --> 01:41:32,619
if I may I hope I'm not

2003
01:41:33,279 --> 01:41:36,189
Coloring outside the lines, but I think moving forward with

2004
01:41:36,189 --> 01:41:38,020
the two hundred and fifty thousand number

2005
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:42,050
Would be appropriate whether they embrace that full two

2006
01:41:42,050 --> 01:41:43,279
hundred and fifty thousand

2007
01:41:43,279 --> 01:41:46,369
I think what you'll find out is that the request will go to

2008
01:41:46,369 --> 01:41:48,560
DCTA. They're starting their budget process

2009
01:41:49,359 --> 01:41:52,560
much like the city of Denton is and as they as that moves

2010
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:53,920
forward through their

2011
01:41:55,279 --> 01:41:57,279
their budget process and decision

2012
01:41:58,239 --> 01:42:01,100
You know matrices they will identify

2013
01:42:01,819 --> 01:42:04,720
What number is is correct feasible?

2014
01:42:05,359 --> 01:42:07,640
It may not be the two hundred and fifty thousand

2015
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,090
It may be two fit two hundred and fifty thousand for for

2016
01:42:10,090 --> 01:42:12,760
year one and two and then it may back off to something

2017
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:13,779
substantially left

2018
01:42:14,159 --> 01:42:17,060
But that's really probably something that would be a

2019
01:42:17,060 --> 01:42:20,239
request made by this council and a contributing member city

2020
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:22,409
And that they would formulate a policy based on that

2021
01:42:22,409 --> 01:42:25,640
request given that information. I move that we

2022
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:28,600
Forward this resolution on the council

2023
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:37,479
Item H staff reports I didn't miss anything today

2024
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:41,920
So

2025
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:44,199
Very quickly. There's some backup material

2026
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,840
Outlining what we've listed as public meetings. We've misst

2027
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:49,880
ated that those are actually public hearings

2028
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:53,119
And so we've got public hearing for 35w

2029
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:57,699
Tomorrow evening there's public meetings later this week

2030
01:42:57,699 --> 01:43:01,000
for next week for 380 and then a public meeting is taken

2031
01:43:01,319 --> 01:43:05,550
Public hearing is taking place today for DCTA. Actually, I

2032
01:43:05,550 --> 01:43:07,239
will be heading over there later this afternoon

2033
01:43:07,239 --> 01:43:09,539
That's from three to seven over at the Transit Center if

2034
01:43:09,539 --> 01:43:10,960
you want to weigh in on any of their

2035
01:43:12,399 --> 01:43:15,000
Any other proposed service changes, so

2036
01:43:16,279 --> 01:43:18,279
That's what you have there

2037
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:20,850
Councilmember Briggs had requested some information on the

2038
01:43:20,850 --> 01:43:23,319
federal budget. I've included some in for backup

2039
01:43:23,319 --> 01:43:23,439
information

2040
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:27,399
That was provided to us from our consultants from

2041
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:30,239
Washington DC Capitol Edge

2042
01:43:30,239 --> 01:43:33,510
So if there's some specific questions on that we'd be happy

2043
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:36,319
to come back on and address those or we could set up a

2044
01:43:36,319 --> 01:43:37,119
conference

2045
01:43:37,119 --> 01:43:40,779
Call and handle those specific questions with the with the

2046
01:43:40,779 --> 01:43:42,800
consultant what I will tell you is that

2047
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:46,220
That particular proposal from the administration is not

2048
01:43:46,220 --> 01:43:48,079
really gaining much traction

2049
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:52,229
Which was the request that I understood from Councilmember

2050
01:43:52,229 --> 01:43:56,079
Briggs on the the switch from 80/20 federal local to the

2051
01:43:56,199 --> 01:43:58,779
20/80 in terms of the federal government trying to stretch

2052
01:43:58,779 --> 01:43:59,720
their dollar further

2053
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:03,920
Moving on to

2054
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:07,520
To the new business matrix we can walk through that

2055
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:14,750
Let me see if there are any questions do you have any

2056
01:44:14,750 --> 01:44:17,119
particular questions about the new business matrix I

2057
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:20,850
Don't either and it seems like several of these are council

2058
01:44:20,850 --> 01:44:22,640
member Briggs. Well one of them

2059
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:27,119
That you haven't addressed so the rest are all yours

2060
01:44:32,159 --> 01:44:32,409
So I think if we don't have any questions, you just want to

2061
01:44:32,409 --> 01:44:35,600
touch the highlights that's fine

2062
01:44:36,319 --> 01:44:39,359
Correct. Okay, so hitting hitting on number

2063
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,880
Five, I think we've covered that clear that

2064
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:45,399
DCTA passenger amenities

2065
01:44:45,399 --> 01:44:47,680
I think we can clear that now in terms of once we move

2066
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:49,800
forward with the resolution

2067
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,270
This one item seven or regarding protected bike lanes and

2068
01:44:54,270 --> 01:44:56,399
changes since the plan was

2069
01:44:57,359 --> 01:45:01,010
Implemented as stated here bike and ped operations or

2070
01:45:01,010 --> 01:45:03,359
traffic engineer will cover that at the May meeting

2071
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,840
Covered the item eight in terms of the funding 80/20 split

2072
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:09,880
the Arlington Transit report

2073
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:14,310
We've got some information on that we just weren't in

2074
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:15,720
position to to present that

2075
01:45:16,359 --> 01:45:19,250
In a hole at this particular meeting and plus there's a

2076
01:45:19,250 --> 01:45:20,399
handful of items on this agenda

2077
01:45:20,399 --> 01:45:23,239
So we'll bring that forward and so maybe that's something

2078
01:45:23,239 --> 01:45:26,319
that councilmember Gregory can watch from home next time

2079
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:33,560
Update on the downtown narrow streets item 10 that's been

2080
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,159
assigned to traffic engineering

2081
01:45:35,159 --> 01:45:38,460
I don't quite have a date yet on that likewise with the

2082
01:45:38,460 --> 01:45:40,239
musical roadways, I think

2083
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:44,220
City engineer was going to touch base with you on that

2084
01:45:44,220 --> 01:45:45,039
particular item

2085
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,399
So with that I'll take any questions or on that particular

2086
01:45:49,399 --> 01:45:54,579
item if that takes any staff time or funding just drop it

2087
01:46:02,079 --> 01:46:05,829
If the committee would mind just for a few moments on item

2088
01:46:05,829 --> 01:46:08,699
number four on the Hickory Street improvements

2089
01:46:08,699 --> 01:46:10,930
We'd like to give you a quick update on where we are on

2090
01:46:10,930 --> 01:46:12,119
that won't take very long

2091
01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:17,720
Is that the are those the streetscape enhancements that

2092
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:20,060
were paid for out of the TIF no

2093
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:24,090
These are the the potential adding the sidewalks or moving

2094
01:46:24,090 --> 01:46:27,039
the sidewalks and the distresses the west side of Hickory

2095
01:46:27,359 --> 01:46:31,520
Moving the sidewalks along with the lighting to match West

2096
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:31,880
Oak

2097
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:38,720
So just to give you a broad overview of the project

2098
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:41,479
This is the one where we have water wastewater and streets

2099
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:44,050
crews working on Hickory from Bonnie Bray back over to

2100
01:46:44,050 --> 01:46:44,479
Carol

2101
01:46:45,279 --> 01:46:47,380
Currently you've got water and waste while water is

2102
01:46:47,380 --> 01:46:50,380
complete wastewater is nearly complete streets. If you look

2103
01:46:50,380 --> 01:46:51,479
at where it's kind of shaded green

2104
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:53,479
That's about where we're wrapping up right now

2105
01:46:54,159 --> 01:46:58,000
Around North Texas Boulevard moving on to the next segment

2106
01:46:58,000 --> 01:46:59,680
that will take us Avenue C

2107
01:47:00,399 --> 01:47:02,000
following this

2108
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:06,220
So part of the discussion for the lights is actually taking

2109
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:10,680
Lights on the north side of Hickory they exist on the south

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01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:11,399
side today

2111
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:14,390
pedestrian level lights not full street lights pedestrian

2112
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:15,039
level lights

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01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:18,250
putting street light are putting special level lights on

2114
01:47:18,250 --> 01:47:20,399
the north side of Hickory from Welch all the way over to

2115
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:23,489
Carol so that you get a similar look on both sides and just

2116
01:47:23,489 --> 01:47:25,680
you've seen this before oak

2117
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:28,649
You've got the lights that look like this a pedestrian

2118
01:47:28,649 --> 01:47:31,380
level lights on both sides and Hickory

2119
01:47:31,380 --> 01:47:33,359
You only have it on one side

2120
01:47:33,359 --> 01:47:37,079
So part of what we've looked at here is what would the

2121
01:47:37,079 --> 01:47:39,779
overall project cost additions be?

2122
01:47:40,399 --> 01:47:42,399
potentially there is some

2123
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:45,199
Marriage of the two projects because we would be narrowing

2124
01:47:45,199 --> 01:47:47,159
a little bit of the roadway

2125
01:47:47,159 --> 01:47:49,750
We'd still retain the bike lanes still retain parking still

2126
01:47:49,750 --> 01:47:52,439
have to travel lanes through there, but the road was a

2127
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:53,439
little bit wider

2128
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:57,640
So we would alleviate some of the cost that we put for

2129
01:47:58,079 --> 01:48:00,800
Asphalt and we would just offset it with cost for moving

2130
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:02,399
the sidewalk some other issues

2131
01:48:03,159 --> 01:48:06,039
What we're looking for right now to really get any idea of

2132
01:48:06,039 --> 01:48:09,619
what we're dealing with long term as far as what what are

2133
01:48:09,619 --> 01:48:10,520
the details?

2134
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:13,359
What are the impacts to individual property owners to

2135
01:48:13,359 --> 01:48:14,600
actually put this in the ground?

2136
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:17,210
We really need to engage a consultant and we need to get

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01:48:17,210 --> 01:48:20,260
that person on board to really get into the fine details of

2138
01:48:20,319 --> 01:48:23,369
How much grading do we have to do? What are the ADA impacts

2139
01:48:23,369 --> 01:48:24,840
when we move this sidewalk?

2140
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:27,789
Do we have retaining walls that need to be shifted or moved

2141
01:48:27,789 --> 01:48:29,539
or do they go away altogether?

2142
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:31,720
All those things need to be looked at in greater detail

2143
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:35,119
To the best of what we can figure at this point you can

2144
01:48:35,119 --> 01:48:38,180
anticipate about 75 to 80 thousand dollars going into

2145
01:48:38,180 --> 01:48:38,979
design fees

2146
01:48:39,319 --> 01:48:42,369
We do have some options to look at for where we could fund

2147
01:48:42,369 --> 01:48:44,880
that but that would be the first step if it's something you

2148
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:47,770
Still want to go forward with looking at is putting those

2149
01:48:47,770 --> 01:48:50,279
pedestrian lights on the north side of Hickory

2150
01:48:54,079 --> 01:48:56,529
Well, we're gonna I mean you want direction now because it

2151
01:48:56,529 --> 01:48:59,020
's under new business, I'm not sure we're just trying to

2152
01:48:59,020 --> 01:49:00,319
give you some ideas to

2153
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:04,279
Consider we do have a pathway forward. We have an active

2154
01:49:04,279 --> 01:49:06,199
Merchant's Association out there

2155
01:49:06,199 --> 01:49:08,680
That's continuing to push us for this direction

2156
01:49:09,159 --> 01:49:11,899
And we just need to get some idea of where you'd like us to

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01:49:11,899 --> 01:49:12,079
go

2158
01:49:12,079 --> 01:49:15,909
We could come back with an item that goes with the design

2159
01:49:15,909 --> 01:49:18,960
of it or we could go something a code different direction

2160
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:20,960
If that's where you chose

2161
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:23,220
Thank you. I would recommend that you

2162
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:28,020
T this up for a work session to get direction from Council

2163
01:49:30,079 --> 01:49:32,079
As you do it you might also

2164
01:49:32,399 --> 01:49:35,810
If you if you have the possibility, I may not be able to do

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01:49:35,810 --> 01:49:36,960
it without design

2166
01:49:38,039 --> 01:49:40,039
Talk a little bit to them about

2167
01:49:41,279 --> 01:49:43,729
How wide the sidewalk would be and how close the sidewalk

2168
01:49:43,729 --> 01:49:45,060
would be to the curb?

2169
01:49:45,359 --> 01:49:48,000
Because I know that those are issues for pedestrians.

2170
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:51,380
Absolutely. Okay, but I think I think move it on to

2171
01:49:52,319 --> 01:49:55,000
Work session so that we could move forward with that on

2172
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:59,239
that that amount does not seem out of line. I

2173
01:50:00,399 --> 01:50:02,399
Agree with that. Thank you

2174
01:50:04,039 --> 01:50:05,239
That it

2175
01:50:05,239 --> 01:50:08,210
Okay, that takes us to number two concluding items any

2176
01:50:08,210 --> 01:50:09,260
concluding items

2177
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:13,000
None for my me either. So with that we will adjourn