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Item 34. Our first item for individual consideration is

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item A.

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Thank you. Our first item for individual consideration is

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item A.

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Consider approval of the Mobility Committee of Denton City

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Council

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meeting minutes of February 21, 2018. Chair will entertain

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a motion. Councilwoman

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Briggs. I'll move approval. Second.

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Motion and a second. All in favor. Aye. Passes. Item B.

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Receive a report. Hold a

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discussion and provide direction regarding regional

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transportation council monthly reports and actions.

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Do you know who's going to be presenting on this one?

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Well we have John Polster here and and I can handle that as

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well but what

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we really wanted to do is just bring forward A. the agenda.

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If there was anything on the RTC agenda that the RTC

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representative wanted to touch base there is an item on

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here

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that we would walk through with the committee

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very briefly. There's a long presentation as it relates to

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mobility 2045

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and just some of the impacts as it relates to loop 288

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and some of the toll managed lane features on 35

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into our community. Okay.

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So this is this is in a pdf format but really very quickly

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what we wanted to do at least from a staff's perspective is

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give you a heads up. We've been talking in our own system

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reports about

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the timing and sequencing of loop 288 west so on the west

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side of the airport

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how the environmental clearance and sequencing with

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respect to funding has to play a role with the

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with the mobility 2045 update and so really what this is

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showing here

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on the map as provided by North Central Texas Council of

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Government

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is loop 288 and it's a staged facility. You may recall that

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one of

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the things we're talking about is establishing one the

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corridor

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through the environmental process so the the full width of

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the corridor

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and then moving forward with the actual construction

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of one of the frontage roads either the northbound or south

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bound frontage road

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so you'd have then that would be in the initial

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stages a you know one lane in each direction so

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you'd have the two lane frontage road that would be the

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initial phase

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construction so you'd have a northbound and southbound lane

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initially and then once additional funding was made

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available

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the entire corridor would be or the entire facility would

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be constructed

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which would be essentially the what you see on the east

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side or the

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northeast side of town so you'd have a two two lane each

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direction main lane

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and then the two two lanes northbound and two lanes south

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bound frontage

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road. Mr. Pulsar would did you want to visit

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a little bit about the funding constraints with that?

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So the project is uh has about a 150 close to 200 million

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dollar price tag

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for a full controlled access facility it

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includes grade separations both at 35 35 w the railroad and

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380 so those will be grade separated and we have

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a dollar amount earmarked in the 20 to 30 million dollar

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range for

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the frontage road and on one note on that is

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TechStock is ambivalent as to whether they do the north

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bound and southbound

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frontage road and they would look to probably be the city

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for direction on that and i'm thinking probably the north

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bound would probably

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be the first one because it's the inside part of the

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loop and you can make a lot of your connections for the

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stuff that's inside

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the loop like your airport your power plant

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etc but it'll be either one and it'll look to the city for

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direction on that so we would bring that back through the

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mobility committee for a recommendation to take to full

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council

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we'd do that probably once the 2045 plan is approved and

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start moving that process and i think towards the end of

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this

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powerpoint presentation because the rest of it goes with

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transit and why not

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they tell you the schedule that they're headed on and that

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's the schedule that

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we're tracking in order to move 288 up in

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the in the schedule for the environmental clearance

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and so the other the other the other component

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on that one since the west side would be a controlled

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access like an

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interstate highway physically by design right

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and i'm good with that i guess my question is

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would we be thinking are they already designing the idea or

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have we already

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do we have input into where exits would be

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that is an ongoing conversation that we've been having with

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city staff with dme because in the airport because

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right now we have time to adjust those ramp locations to be

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maximizing the

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city's access points and so we're coordinating

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that as we go through the environmental document because i

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'm

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glad you were talking already about the the access road on

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the inside being done

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first because that's going to be closer to the airport but

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i

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would hope that we would have exit ramps there so that

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people can get

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in and out of the exit so in the interim it'll just be a

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two-lane road just like a regular road the schematic that's

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being improved

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environmental clear that has both the both frontage roads

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and the main lanes

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the grade separations and the ramp locations and so we're

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working with city staff and the airport and dme

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to make sure that those ramps are in the location that are

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consistent with

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their long-range plans for those sites what is what is

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known is clearly there'll

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be ramps for us 380 on the on ramp off ramp there

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and then most likely for 24.99 but that also ties right

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into

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to 35 24 did i say 24.49 i'll always do that 24.49 rather

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than 24.99

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councilman briggs this for clarification so the um the full

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road will not be

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built but you're going to do the frontage road

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first that is correct faced so it will it will connect

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both ends to make the loop fully accessible

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at present it's only connecting if you see 35 w

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to the existing loop 288 where it stops north of or up near

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the

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um the outlet malls what you see here is what they call the

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outer loop

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that's outer loop which is further north than the existing

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loop 288

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so the loop 288 will you'll be able to get off at 35 w

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and drive all the way around to 35 and then continue

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on back around to 35 if you want through the front you'd

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want to do that but you

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could i mean you'd want to go in a circle

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but semi-circle okay so there there is some debate as to

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how

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and if you could ever make that connection um

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on from basically 370 you know 35 w to 377 and on around

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there's

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some significant environmental challenges with the flood

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plain with

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hickory creek as well as additional or you know development

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uh residential

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development through that area okay i know that this

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committee has seen

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um some plans like initial design plans and has

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made some decisions those are still standing absolutely

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okay and the so the frontage road you're saying will only

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go

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one way and it's possible that we can get it to go

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so it's just um envision the existing interstates you've

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got

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two lanes frontage lanes in each direction northbound south

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bound and then

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you have your main lanes in the middle we're clearing the

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whole schematic the

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entire corridor but then the construction

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and the initial phase would just be the two lane frontage

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road and what we're

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suggesting is is the northbound frontage road because

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it's on the inside but you'd have two lane traffic in the

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interim so one lane in each direction okay so you would

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still have that okay

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do we

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yeah is there is there an estimated date for the the full

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completion

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uh no we don't we don't have it funded no okay and we can

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cover that in a little

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more detail when we do the on system report okay and walk

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through a little

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bit of timing and sequencing these really kind of tie

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together it was

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it's kind of a larger document that uh that the rtc has

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been working on

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and we'll take action on in june of this year

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and once that clears up it starts rolling the funding

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um starts clearing up funding um for that interim

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construction

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okay thank you i am um curious

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about what is identified on the map is 377 going east and

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west

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uh up there on the northern part well between the lakes

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okay so that is

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actually a dual designation 377 is actually that white line

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that goes north

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and south right it just happens to be touching the

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blue line that goes east oh okay so what is that blue line

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that's the

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outer loop could somebody explain that a little bit more

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so your thoroughfare plan shows a portion of the outer loop

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coming in to

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the corridor on 35 somewhere around myelin road

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the outer loop if you look goes from denton county

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crosses collin county grows down the

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uh sorry rolls down the eastern side of collin county hits

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rockwall county at 30 now rockwell county also has their

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thoroughfare plan being updated and they're going to

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continue that line

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south into kaufman county you got to move the map up

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and then kaufman county's got it on their thoroughfare plan

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to come down and hit basically uh just to the right of

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where it says

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175 on that purple line and then it'll tie into 45 at

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ennis in ellis county by sh-34 so you'll be able to go

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see 34 right there at ennis it comes up right where his

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marker is there's a

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in the kaufman county thoroughfare plan there's a freeway

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that goes straight up

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across 75 uh 20 80 and it picks up a rockwall county leaves

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off

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and then it goes up and ties into that red line

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so it'll be an outer loop you got the 635 you got the bush

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and then you got the outer loop so my guess is is that

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uh some of that proposal is already in the denton city

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limits

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uh it's in your thoroughfare plan i don't know if it's an

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etj or

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city but that line should be somewhat representative

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of the actual alignment in your thoroughfare plan and the

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county's

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thoroughfare plan because cog has both of those okay what

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is

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the funding situation on that nonexistent okay

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thank you thanks okay please go ahead yeah

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you need to make it smaller again yeah i'll get there

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hold two

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there we go so um here what we just wanted to

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to demonstrate is this is more or less um getting to that

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next phase of 35

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e and it's including the the additional main lane capacity

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as well as managed

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lane capacity as you if you've traveled 35e

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now that it's been completed or substantially completed

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the managed lanes stop in the current hickory creek area

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and so essentially

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what this is demonstrating is that managed uh would

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would have a managed lane as well as additional capacity

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all the way up to 380

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and so that's essentially what they're they're trying to

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bring across with this

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particular plan and essentially when

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when this comes forward it's the plan the plan is

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financially

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constrained so you've got to demonstrate how you're

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going to fund you've got a certain amount of funding

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that you have available and the regional planners have to

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put

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forward this plan that demonstrates how it may be funded or

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the funding

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deficiencies and how they would address that in the future

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so in and of itself that's really all i wanted to point out

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um you know that that that plan's moving forward

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um uh back up that's the schedule so the rtc action is june

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2018

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that's that's that's that's hit then all of these

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times that i tell you that we've got these out years

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for projects because they're not in the plan once that's

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approved

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that you saw that includes luke 288 and whatnot

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once it's in the plan we can go back and revise the date

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to a more current time frame because it's now in the plan

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if that makes sense any other questions on it

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the feds won't let you spend any money on any projects that

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's not in a mobility

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plan and so you can't environmentally clear it

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if you can't spend money on it and so that's why we needed

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to get it into the

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financially constrained plan so that we can clear it so we

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can get

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onto the next step so i think a couple of takeaways that

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you

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may have on this is is one that it impacts loop 288 and

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will and

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staff will will be bringing back a loop 288 discussion

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for the mobility committee to consider and

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and make a recommendation for formal council action

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as to whether it's the northbound or southbound

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frontage road as part of that facility again

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this starts that that funding mechanism that clears for uh

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clears

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environmentally clears funding capability then or for

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tex dot to put funding on it to start the right-of-way

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acquisition

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and subsequent to that the construction construction phase

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of the

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initial phase i think council member breaks has a question

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so this is kind of related but the um there's a significant

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shortfall from the presentation that that i'm seeing

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and then there's um also no new toll roads

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allowed correct is that something that we should

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worry about yes okay and then when i when we were in um dc

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uh last week i heard that it's possible that for the

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infrastructure plan that they want us to toll existing

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roads is that something that you have heard and how does

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that work

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like old roads you would have to pay to drive on old roads

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i don't know how they're approaching tolling uh existing or

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older facilities

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unless they're talking about adding a toll component to

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to that particular corridor so if they're to come through

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similar to 35 where 35 is adding additional capacity

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and additional capacity in terms of a general purpose lane

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as well as adding a general capacity or no i'm sorry adding

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additional capacity

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in the form of a toll managed lane so that's a that's a

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toll component

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of that corridor and that may be what they're suggesting

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so i'd like to add a little bit of clarity on a little bit

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of the federal

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law is moving towards more innovative financing right so

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they're talking about using leveraging toll finance private

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sector

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funding etc the state's ironically led to charge over

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the last 10 or 12 years doing that and now they are backing

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away from that

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but currently in the state of texas there's no ban or

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prohibition on

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uh building a toll facility whether it's a managed lane

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or an actual toll road there is opinions there are feelings

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there

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are thoughts that have been communicated by the governor

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lieutenant governor at

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all but there's no policy restriction that

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allows bans toll roads in the state of texas

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with that said the commission is currently taking it upon

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themselves

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to decide they're not going to put any more money in their

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they're their system on anything that has a toll component

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they they don't have a they have a policy ability because

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you the commission

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gets to regulate intervening every other two

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years with the legislature comebacks and corrects them

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which

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they could or couldn't do that i'm not sure they will but

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there is no ban on

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toll toll roads and so the mobility plan is a plan for 2045

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and so the mpo is that federal authority that it says it

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has to

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look out into the future independent of what texas

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or the state does and determine what their needs are how

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much money is

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available what the shortfall is that's federal

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required so the metropolitan planning organization

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still has in its mobility plan multiple managed lane

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facilities that they have

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not removed off of their plan because it's their

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authority to make those determinations and the people that

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are

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arguing about it today are not the people that are going to

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be implementing

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it in 2035 2040 2045 so you may have a a policy that's in

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the state

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that's contrary to the feds but the mpo will go ahead and

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develop its plan

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based on federal guidelines the one exception is the state

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has a

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law that prohibits the conversion of an

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existing free lane to a toll facility so there

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will there's a law that says if you've ever had a car drive

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on that

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road and you didn't charge them you cannot convert that

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that pavement to a toll facility you can move it over and

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put a toll road

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where it used to be but you can't toll that existing lane

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in

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the state of texas so if it's free today it'll be free

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tomorrow you just may have a neighbor that's paying to go

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faster

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okay unless federal law changes that they're going

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the 100 miles an hour the other way yeah so

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they've got this huge infrastructure bill that's only

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federally funded 20 30 percent and the other 70 percent is

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this

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innovative toll concept where you got to go out and

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find private sector entities you got to go out and use

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fees etc so the feds aren't putting dollar for dollar in

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they're

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saying we'll put in money but you got to match it with

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outside

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state dollars so that we have a problem right now because

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the federal government's going this way and the state's

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going this way

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thank you any other questions that's all right okay then i

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think we

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can move on to item number three

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are you who's going to be doing the presentation for that i

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'm assuming that's

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me but i i gotta go up there

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you ask that every time you always have to go up there

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is it on here no we're just going up

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there's not a presentation there's the time great

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there's not a presentation he's going to walk through the

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information that was in

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the back of him okay all right well then you didn't

00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:05.200
have to get up there and i was wrong i'm sorry i'm good

00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:09.119
that's uh way better that was cruel all right item c

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receiver report hold a discussion and make a recommendation

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regarding pending

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action by the rcc regarding the advancement of the i h 635

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lbj east

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project i i requested this item be placed on the

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agenda just because if there i think john will do a good

00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:24.000
job of

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explaining but if there is action a vote that's needed to

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be taken at rtc i'd

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like to have direction from both mobility and the full

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council for that vote whether it's me or john that takes

00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:37.440
the vote

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so in your backup i don't know if you had a chance to read

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it

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uh the last 10 days or so there's been a

00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:52.559
correspondence war i guess between the commission and the

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regional

00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:59.039
transportation council the 635 east project is a told

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managed lane in our plan and it's been in the plan for

00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:13.119
20 years in this format it is uh supported by

00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:21.039
city of dallas dallas county garland mesquite

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and i think that's all the cities so every community along

00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:26.000
the corridor has

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passed a resolution endorsing the project that's in the

00:23:30.250 --> 00:23:31.759
mobility plan as a

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told managed lane facility

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at the end of the day there'll be 14 free lanes

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14 tax supported lanes and there'll be four

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toll lanes in that corridor

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the commission as i was stating earlier has decided through

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its regulatory

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authority to not move forward on any facility

00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:07.200
that has a toll component included in it now that's

00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:08.559
slightly in my mind an

00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:12.640
overreach because what the legislature submitted

00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:16.910
and on prop one and prop seven was the proposition one

00:24:16.910 --> 00:24:17.599
money and

00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:20.799
proposition seven money if the voters approved would go out

00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:20.960
to

00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:24.960
build new infrastructure for anything other than a toll

00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:28.960
facility so prop one and prop seven does have a prohibition

00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:36.240
to be used on um toll facilities but you've got a list of

00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:40.240
categories that are rank your federal funding

00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:48.799
and category two is the federal dollars that are pure

00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:54.960
federal dollars that the metropolitan planning organization

00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:58.799
determines where those funds go

00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:04.920
initially the mpo honored the state's prohibition of prop

00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:05.440
one and

00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:09.680
prop seven money not going on to a total component because

00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:13.519
they put prop one and prop seven in both category four

00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:19.609
connectivity and category 12 for the the free lanes or the

00:25:19.609 --> 00:25:20.559
open lanes

00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:27.839
program in cat 12 so the mpo put category two dollars on 6

00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:28.960
35

00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:32.079
federal dollars and remember federal dollars not only

00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:35.990
don't have a prohibition against tolling some portion of

00:25:35.990 --> 00:25:37.039
the project they have an

00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:43.039
encouragement to do that the commission

00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:48.779
reacted negatively because the texas transportation

00:25:48.779 --> 00:25:49.440
commission

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okay so the governor appoints these five people

00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:56.519
and their patronage appointments they're not elected they

00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:56.880
're just

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appointments and then they have an executive director of

00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:01.279
text dot

00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:03.339
and then bill hell and all those guys work for the

00:26:03.339 --> 00:26:04.160
executive director who

00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:08.720
reports to the five member commission

00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.559
john importantly from what i understand the texas

00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:13.680
transportation commission

00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:18.000
implements laws that are passed by the legislature

00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:21.829
yes so although the governor appoints those members they're

00:26:21.829 --> 00:26:22.640
an agency that

00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:27.759
implements laws correct and sometimes in the office cycle

00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:34.000
they interpret them how they wish and so

00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:36.880
635 was going to be moved forward as a toll managed lane

00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:38.079
using federal dollars

00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:41.599
but in order to do that the mpo had to remove the category

00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:42.799
12 dollars

00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:46.880
that the state put on it and so the commission says you

00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:47.519
cannot

00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:51.119
use our money move our money around because category 12 is

00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:54.799
commission discretion so the commissioners at the

00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:58.240
commission level select those projects and so michael didn

00:26:58.240 --> 00:26:59.279
't just take it off of

00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:02.559
category out of lbj he put it on recommended other

00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.279
projects and then he took the category two from

00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:08.480
those and put it on 635 so it'd be a pure

00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:12.960
federally funded project the commission balked at that

00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:16.400
and then they said you need to put it back and they said

00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:17.359
the week the region

00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:20.650
says we can't put it back because our policy says it has to

00:27:20.650 --> 00:27:21.039
have a

00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.339
toll managed lanes and they said well you put it back and

00:27:23.339 --> 00:27:24.079
then use it on the

00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.119
free lanes or the tax supported lanes and then you can use

00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:28.480
category two to

00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:33.039
build the toll lanes so it'd be two projects let

00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:36.109
separately with two different funding categories to one

00:27:36.109 --> 00:27:37.839
contractor

00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.799
exactly that's where the commission wanted to go

00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.119
and so the metropolitan planning organization says

00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:48.240
we want that in writing right because that's not a counter

00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:48.880
to what the

00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.680
legislature wanted we didn't get it in writing

00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:54.099
but what we did get was a letter from the governor

00:27:54.099 --> 00:27:55.279
lieutenant governor

00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:58.640
and hall senator hall and senator huffines

00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:02.160
saying that this was a accounting gimmick

00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.779
and the commission's overstepping their boundaries and so

00:28:04.779 --> 00:28:05.519
the commission

00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:07.369
raised their hands up and said what there's gambling going

00:28:07.369 --> 00:28:07.759
on in this

00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:10.900
establishment i mean they didn't they acted like they didn

00:28:10.900 --> 00:28:11.279
't know anything

00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:16.160
about it and so they at the december

00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:24.319
2017 commission meeting they pulled lbj east and 35w

00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:29.309
and 45 houston grand parkway and 35 in austin out of the

00:28:29.309 --> 00:28:29.920
plan they just

00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:33.420
pulled them out of the plan which is they're allowed to do

00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:34.079
that so

00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:38.640
is the mpo we've got concurrent so if the state and the mpo

00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:42.240
don't agree they can't move forward and so the way the

00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:47.200
state projected his their

00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:50.150
disapproval was they pulled it out of the plan and that's

00:28:50.150 --> 00:28:50.720
the only thing they

00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:54.160
could do to stop the region from building lbj east

00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:57.680
using federal dollars because there's no state dollars

00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:02.549
and there's no prohibition so the mpo if they use federal

00:29:02.549 --> 00:29:03.599
dollars they could

00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:08.000
belt lbj east on its own with its own dollars

00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:10.750
but the state has concurrence and so the way they killed

00:29:10.750 --> 00:29:11.519
the project was just

00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:14.400
pull it out of the plan we could pull it out of plan right

00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:14.720
now if

00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:17.200
they want to try to force it as a project that we don't

00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:17.839
want to do

00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:21.769
then we can just pull out a plan and nothing gets done on l

00:29:21.769 --> 00:29:22.000
bj

00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:26.960
it just languishes so in january went down had a

00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:27.759
communication

00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.799
saying look we want to find a path forward everybody

00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:31.680
supports

00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.059
this project as a toll managed lanes from a local

00:29:34.059 --> 00:29:35.279
government standpoint

00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:37.880
all the cities have passed resolutions there were elected

00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:38.960
officials there saying

00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.400
we want the same thing that the rest of the region has etc

00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:43.200
etc

00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.869
commission goes well there's a billion dollar shortfall and

00:29:45.869 --> 00:29:46.400
so we're not going

00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:48.240
to move forward until there's a billion dollar

00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:52.400
shortfall covered and so in the interim between january

00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.440
and march the region was supposed to go back

00:29:55.440 --> 00:30:02.119
and identify an ability to fund the shortfall only way they

00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:02.559
can do

00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:06.880
that is by cannibalizing and delaying other

00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:10.400
projects in the region to put it in perspective a billion

00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:10.640
dollar

00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:14.950
shortfall over the next 10 years the region was only going

00:30:14.950 --> 00:30:15.519
to get six

00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:19.700
point nine billion dollars to build all the stuff that's in

00:30:19.700 --> 00:30:20.880
the plan and now

00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:24.539
they're being asked to take and find a billion dollars out

00:30:24.539 --> 00:30:24.880
of that

00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:28.960
six point nine and put it on one project because the

00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.480
toll component generated about seven hundred and seventy

00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:33.279
million dollars for

00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:35.839
the construction and we were looking at a three or

00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:38.940
four hundred million dollar tiffy loan which you can get

00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:39.759
when you have a toll

00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:43.839
component you take those away you had a billion

00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:47.200
dollar shortfall and now the region the commission is

00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:52.400
asking the region to identify how to cover the shortfall

00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:55.309
and they can only do it with the money they have and so

00:30:55.309 --> 00:30:56.079
they have seven

00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:58.880
billion dollars in the plan right now and they got to find

00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:00.000
a way to cut a

00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.319
billion out of it to move it to lbj one of the projects on

00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.640
the bubble is

00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:12.000
35e from 635 to the dentin dallas county line and the

00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:12.480
reason that's

00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:15.680
important to dentin county and its residents is two-thirds

00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:15.920
of the

00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:20.559
collector distributor between 121 and bush is in dallas

00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:21.200
county

00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:25.019
if you're driven down there at all you'll know in an am and

00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:25.599
pmp that the

00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:28.480
collector distributor is not working and there's a

00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.000
significant reconstruct we

00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.000
have to do to figure out what's going on there

00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:35.759
and so that 264 million bucks is gone don't know what you

00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:36.799
that means the

00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:41.839
collector distributor is not working okay so in the am peak

00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:42.240
period

00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:44.960
southbound there are more lanes in the collector

00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:47.920
district and more cars in the collector distributor than

00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:49.839
there are on 35

00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:54.950
so you got six lanes of traffic for 35 and you got three

00:31:54.950 --> 00:31:55.680
and a half two and a

00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:58.960
half lanes because they're merging on the collector

00:31:58.960 --> 00:31:59.440
distributor

00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:03.680
you have three entrances all at one time you got the 121

00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:09.359
frontage road you got the 121 northbound and you got the 12

00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:09.599
1

00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:13.079
southbound and you got the 35 people trying to get into the

00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:13.440
collector

00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.559
distributor to get to the bush right so you it's

00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.650
actually four you have four people four entrances coming

00:32:19.650 --> 00:32:20.319
into the collector

00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:24.160
distributor for three lanes distributing out to another six

00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:25.200
lanes and so there's

00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.960
too many cars along the collector distributor from what we

00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:30.079
anticipate it

00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:35.140
so we've got to fix that and that's a it's probably going

00:32:35.140 --> 00:32:35.599
to be

00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:40.160
uh somewhere in the neighborhood of you know 250

00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:43.359
million bucks so it's that area right in there

00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:47.019
there's a collector distributor 121 in the bush so if you

00:32:47.019 --> 00:32:47.599
're coming

00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:49.519
southbound and you want to get on the bush

00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:53.920
you cannot get onto the the president george bush

00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:56.579
from the main lanes you have to enter the collector

00:32:56.579 --> 00:32:57.359
distributor

00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.720
in order to get there and the ultimate you won't have to

00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.160
but we didn't build the ultimate and when you say collector

00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:03.759
distributor

00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:06.720
you're talking about what we call service roads nope these

00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.670
this is a this is a road between the frontage roads and the

00:33:09.670 --> 00:33:10.319
main lanes

00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:13.359
okay so you have main lanes collector distributor

00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:16.720
and uh friends and the reason they call it that it's a

00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:21.680
it's a directly descriptive process it collects all the

00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:22.400
people that are making

00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.200
merging movements puts them into one area and then it

00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:30.160
distributes them uh where they need to go i always

00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:34.259
heard it called the mix master or something along those

00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:34.319
lines

00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:37.650
okay that's just a large interchange uh collector

00:33:37.650 --> 00:33:38.559
distributor

00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:41.910
is a facility that brings everybody that's going to

00:33:41.910 --> 00:33:42.480
conflict

00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.599
into one area and then distributes them out to those

00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.200
locations separate from the

00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:49.509
main lane traffic and what you're saying is there's not

00:33:49.509 --> 00:33:50.400
enough capacity

00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.119
there's not enough capacity okay it's always backed up

00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:56.670
like 35 will keep going and then yeah you can you're what i

00:33:56.670 --> 00:33:57.440
do if i need to get

00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:01.039
going southbound on the bush i won't i won't get into the

00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:01.359
collector

00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:04.049
distributor i'll start on the main lanes that exit sandy

00:34:04.049 --> 00:34:04.319
lake

00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:08.559
and you got a quarter of a mile bushes there

00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.559
nobody's there and you take off so collector distributors

00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:12.400
not working that

00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:16.559
264 that they're cannibalizing to put on 635

00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:20.159
is for that project so it does have a direct impact

00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:24.159
to some of the improvements we want to make 235

00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:31.119
in an interim interim so week ago wednesday the

00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:35.599
staff of uh text dot met with the staff of rtc

00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:39.099
and they had a conversation about how to move forward on 6

00:34:39.099 --> 00:34:39.599
35

00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:43.289
and just ignore the question about how you do the manage

00:34:43.289 --> 00:34:43.760
lanes

00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:48.559
because how you operate them is not necessarily

00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:52.000
impact of how you build them because all you have to do is

00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.280
put the gantries up

00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:56.239
to toll and so what the region was saying is we just want

00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:56.800
to move forward

00:34:56.800 --> 00:35:00.170
and we'll discuss it later the commissioner was saying we

00:35:00.170 --> 00:35:00.480
're not

00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.280
moving forward at all until y'all acknowledge that these

00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:07.539
manage lanes are non-tolled so michael and them had a

00:35:07.539 --> 00:35:08.800
conversation

00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:12.789
on wednesday thursday mark williams who's the deputy

00:35:12.789 --> 00:35:14.320
executive director

00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:18.699
text dot number two in command sent a draft cover letter

00:35:18.699 --> 00:35:19.679
for the rtc to send

00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:25.199
back to text dot a draft resolution and a

00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:28.159
outline of where the money was to come from

00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:32.880
to shortfall cover shortfall and wanted rtc to act

00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:37.199
on march 8th at their commission meeting at their

00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:42.719
rtc meeting like the following thursday between wednesday

00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:44.079
and thursday the

00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:49.039
leadership of the policy board rtc rob frankie

00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:54.010
from cedar hill gary ficus from tarrant county and andy e

00:35:54.010 --> 00:35:55.119
ades from denton county

00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:57.840
got together and said we don't want to negotiate

00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.000
against ourselves so we're not going to act

00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:03.679
prior to the primary we want to see what happens so we

00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:11.199
we demurred to to act plus we asked the staff what it meant

00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:11.360
that

00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:15.679
they were talking about deferring the the decision on the

00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:16.960
toll lanes

00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:19.440
and they didn't like the answer they got from michael and

00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:20.239
so they kind of put

00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.920
their foot down and so on friday wednesday michael and

00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:28.320
staff agreed thursday there was this information that got

00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:30.320
sent to us by

00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.789
text dot staff on friday michael responds with those

00:36:32.789 --> 00:36:33.440
questions in the

00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:38.159
packet and those questions are basically are

00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:40.659
hammering a nail in a coffin because the only the

00:36:40.659 --> 00:36:42.000
metropolitan planning

00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.280
organization can update the mobility plan only the

00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.679
metropolitan planning organization can update

00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:51.280
your air quality concurrence and conformity so

00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:56.690
basically what those questions that rtc sent back to the

00:36:56.690 --> 00:36:58.719
text dot did was shot

00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:03.980
a shot of shot across the bow to the text dot saying you

00:37:03.980 --> 00:37:04.400
can't move

00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.519
forward on 6 35 by bullying us because we have federal

00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.159
authority that's essentially what it meant

00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:13.519
so the very following day friday chairman bug

00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:17.119
who thought he had a deal on wednesday sent back that very

00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:21.760
terse uh snippy response basically saying when y'all get

00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:22.960
your act together

00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:26.539
we'll move forward on 6 35 and so rob frankie responded

00:37:26.539 --> 00:37:27.440
going well when you

00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:34.400
answer our questions we'll get back on 6 35 in the interim

00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:39.920
uh and i think uh councilman buggere you'll remember that

00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.519
sandy gration on behalf of the city of dallas stated

00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:48.079
that the city's position is if if there's a proposal

00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:51.539
on 6 35 to move forward that doesn't include tolling the

00:37:51.539 --> 00:37:52.400
managed lanes

00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.789
that they will oppose the project and so that's the big 800

00:37:55.789 --> 00:37:56.639
pound gorilla

00:37:56.639 --> 00:38:03.440
dallas bells on on uh the compromise there won't be one

00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:07.500
and there probably shouldn't be uh and the reason i'm

00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:08.480
stating that is is

00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:12.119
the local communities in those corridors have voted

00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:13.679
multiple times

00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:17.119
and they had multiple council elections and at the

00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:20.510
commission meeting that i was at there were probably 15 to

00:38:20.510 --> 00:38:20.960
20

00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:24.010
local residents that just live along the corridor that took

00:38:24.010 --> 00:38:25.199
their time to drive

00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:29.190
to austin for this public hearing to stay they want the

00:38:29.190 --> 00:38:30.079
toll managed lanes

00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.630
they want what the rest of the region has they see that it

00:38:32.630 --> 00:38:33.199
works

00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:35.809
and they don't want to get short changed that's what they

00:38:35.809 --> 00:38:36.480
consider getting

00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:41.519
short chains and so i think the rtc's needs to say

00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:44.480
look local control these entities have passed multiple

00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:48.159
resolutions over multiple times this is what they want

00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:49.119
right this isn't

00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:53.329
them saying don't toll us right it's saying put the toll

00:38:53.329 --> 00:38:53.760
lanes in

00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.760
we want them and so the rtc is supposed to reflect what the

00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:03.280
local governments want and so uh i think where we're headed

00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:04.559
is that

00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:08.719
the players that are most directly impacted which are

00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.610
the cities along the corridor on 635 and those that stand

00:39:12.610 --> 00:39:13.119
to lose

00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:17.440
money for stuff that they need i.e denton county lewisville

00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:22.880
all points towards north are standing fairly firm in the

00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:23.679
point that the

00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:26.320
commission's overstepping their bounds they don't have

00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:27.760
legal authority

00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:33.119
to do what they're doing they do have political might but

00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:37.230
they don't understand the federal oversight that the

00:39:37.230 --> 00:39:38.159
metropolitan planning

00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:41.599
organization has and they were created in 1991

00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:46.480
specifically to give local governments concurrent authority

00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:47.280
to make decisions

00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:51.760
about their transportation well-being because prior to that

00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:52.800
the state didn't

00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.269
have to really include anybody in their thought process

00:39:55.269 --> 00:39:56.320
they could just

00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:59.519
build roads wherever they wanted so the whole point of the

00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:00.960
new federal law

00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:04.079
that changed transportation in the state and the

00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:08.000
in the country was to give the local governments equal say

00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.340
in their transportation destiny i'm not sure if i ramble on

00:40:12.340 --> 00:40:13.199
longer than i needed

00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:18.719
to or if i even answer any questions well

00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:21.679
i think the summation is essentially that

00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:25.360
uh there towards the end what he was getting at was

00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:30.480
that the mpo represents the locals represents the regional

00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:36.880
uh regional desires in terms of infrastructure planning and

00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:42.400
implementation and what has happened is is

00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:46.639
the governor and lieutenant governor are you know have

00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:48.800
weighed in through the

00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:54.010
texas transportation commission to change the approach and

00:40:54.010 --> 00:40:55.280
guideline or

00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:00.389
policy if you will as to how the rtc which is the policy

00:41:00.389 --> 00:41:01.840
board for the mpo

00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:07.840
advances their transportation uh transportation plan and so

00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:08.239
at the end

00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:13.550
of the day the question is is um you know how do we how do

00:41:13.550 --> 00:41:14.000
we address

00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:20.239
the the shortfall and does does texas transportation

00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:24.880
commission really have the authority to to undermine the

00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:26.159
integrity of the

00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:28.639
mpo

00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:32.780
let's see who was first on questions councilman bergs did

00:41:32.780 --> 00:41:34.880
you have a question

00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:40.909
i have a frustration about or comment yeah so um i don't

00:41:40.909 --> 00:41:42.320
really have i guess i

00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:46.400
wrote a few things down so i guess in the in the past how

00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:47.519
was the shortfall

00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.739
collected because they're demanding that you get the money

00:41:50.739 --> 00:41:51.760
up front that billion

00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.300
dollars but that is something new that you haven't had to

00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:56.960
do is that

00:41:56.960 --> 00:42:01.440
so the uh the answer is is that the reason there's a

00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:06.000
funding gap on lbj is because of a policy decision by the

00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.519
commission to remove the toll managed land so that

00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:13.519
created a hole and the commission's saying we're going to

00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:18.000
create the hole but we're going to expect you to fill it

00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:22.159
so i mean in the past we haven't had these situations

00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:23.039
because

00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:26.320
the commission hasn't uh

00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:31.230
uh you know opposed what the region is doing because we

00:42:31.230 --> 00:42:32.239
speak with one voice

00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:35.679
and we fund it with the funding tools that we have

00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:39.309
available so when we submit a project for in the 10-year

00:42:39.309 --> 00:42:40.159
plan and more

00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.050
importantly in the next three years it's financially

00:42:43.050 --> 00:42:44.480
constrained and funded

00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:49.059
we we had a plan going forward on this well i that's where

00:42:49.059 --> 00:42:50.000
the shortfall came

00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:52.400
from well as a member of this committee i'm

00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:55.440
in favor and always will be of local control and

00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:59.809
supporting our local governments um and do not support the

00:42:59.809 --> 00:43:00.400
commission's

00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:03.039
overreach

00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:08.860
so are are we talking about this because we're needing

00:43:08.860 --> 00:43:09.760
direction for a vote

00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:13.199
that's coming up at rtc there may be a vote that happens

00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:14.000
regarding

00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.599
whether or not 635 will move forward and the funding will

00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:18.480
come out of

00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:22.050
other projects that are on system and so dallas will be

00:43:22.050 --> 00:43:23.679
voting no for that and i

00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.039
i need to my inclination is to vote no but i don't feel

00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:30.639
dallas is voting no they're voting not to take

00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:35.559
money out of the other projects and to keep the plan as is

00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.239
for 635

00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:42.880
or do you have to say that all over again because you're

00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:50.639
so if there is action on 635 it'll be an up or down vote

00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.179
do we go forward the way that texas transportation

00:43:53.179 --> 00:43:54.159
department wants

00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.059
or do we go forward the way that the local government's

00:43:57.059 --> 00:43:57.360
plan

00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.190
has already been implemented or has already been made

00:44:00.190 --> 00:44:01.280
through the is it 20

00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:05.599
30 plan that did that the 2040 a 2040 plan 2045 that were

00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:09.199
updated and another thing that in the question and answer

00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:09.519
which is

00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:12.639
really insightful if you get a chance to read it

00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.519
it's not just that there was a policy it's not a policy

00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:17.519
because the executive

00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:19.440
branch of the government does not make policy the

00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:20.639
legislative branch makes

00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:24.050
policy and the executive branch implements that's how our

00:44:24.050 --> 00:44:25.039
system works

00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:27.760
however the executive branch is making policy at this point

00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:31.360
favors and didn't high school would be pleased

00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:34.320
the executive branch is making policy through their memos

00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:35.119
with respect to

00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:38.960
toll roads so it's not just a matter of 635

00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:42.239
we would also have to modify all of our plans to include no

00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:43.280
toll component

00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:46.400
from what i gather that they're requesting correct it's

00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.599
it's 15 separate plans including air quality plans

00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:53.760
and from conformity from my perspective the most value of

00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.199
toll roads is

00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:58.800
is the air quality conformity they they help

00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:02.559
create air quality get us closer to conformity

00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:05.579
get it get us closer because we're not there but without

00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:06.480
those lanes where

00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:08.719
people can essentially tax themselves and

00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:11.860
go faster we have more congestion which creates more air

00:45:11.860 --> 00:45:12.639
pollution

00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.519
so from my perspective those environmental plans having to

00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:16.239
be redone

00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:19.469
i don't i don't even see how we would ever be in any type

00:45:19.469 --> 00:45:20.079
of air quality

00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:25.820
conformity without toll roads well it seems like we're

00:45:25.820 --> 00:45:26.480
using

00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:32.159
toll roads as an alternative to fund these projects

00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:37.920
because there's no desire at the state level to

00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:41.360
to raise the fuel tax in order to fund these roads

00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:44.559
so i will just put one fine point we're not talking about

00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:48.030
toll lanes there are no new toll lanes planned in the north

00:45:48.030 --> 00:45:48.880
texas area

00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:52.269
what we're talking about is a managed facility that has a

00:45:52.269 --> 00:45:53.280
toll component

00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:56.480
and the money from the toll component is used for what

00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.519
to help offset the cost of the project in construction

00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:02.719
but also in the maintenance what texas want to do is use

00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:03.599
the gas tax money

00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:06.400
that's limited to build those managed lanes as a

00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:10.000
non-told managed lane and the only place they've given an

00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:11.039
example

00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:14.260
in the state of texas where there's such a thing as a non-

00:46:14.260 --> 00:46:14.559
told

00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:20.079
managed lane is the upper deck in austin on 35 and

00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:21.280
everybody knows

00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:23.760
that is not an express lane you know that's a big parking

00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:24.480
lot well

00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:29.280
an a non-told managed lane means that you don't have to pay

00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:30.320
to use it

00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:33.559
right but that means they limit the number of entrances and

00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:34.159
exits

00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.429
so that you are going a longer trip and so the longer the

00:46:37.429 --> 00:46:37.760
trip

00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.880
with the less conflicts the faster you're supposed to go in

00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:42.079
theory

00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:47.519
six i mean 35 into austin has non-told express lanes on the

00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:50.079
upper deck

00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:57.039
so well it's not fast no

00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:00.920
it does have a better view yes it does so councilman greg

00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:01.840
ory i guess what would

00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.239
be your direction if we were to take a vote

00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:11.449
i would go with i think that there um is best i can twist

00:47:11.449 --> 00:47:14.079
through all of this

00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:18.000
ouch the the regional transportation council needs to have

00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:19.599
the

00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:23.760
the flexibility to get the project done okay

00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:27.199
so i think with the three of us agreeing on that

00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:33.210
we'd probably take it to full council or yes mark we could

00:47:33.210 --> 00:47:34.559
do it on the 27th or

00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:38.239
the third okay um right now it's right now it's

00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:42.400
scheduled on the 27th but unfortunately in bringing it

00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:42.719
forward

00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.530
on the 27th we don't have the additional information that

00:47:45.530 --> 00:47:48.159
may come out of s-tac

00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:51.760
and what may happen in the next half week to

00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:55.210
10 days yeah let's have the resolution as close to the

00:47:55.210 --> 00:47:56.159
meeting date as possible

00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:59.280
so on the april 3rd then that was the point i was also

00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:00.000
going to make is there

00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:06.000
is a lot of under under negotiations behind the scenes to

00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:11.840
find a way forward because the what we're hearing is that

00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:12.159
you know

00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:16.719
senator hall they spent a million bucks on that race

00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:20.960
and the hub fines was close to nine million and

00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:24.429
they we're getting the understanding that they think they

00:48:24.429 --> 00:48:25.119
've bit off more than

00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:30.159
they can chew on lbj east and 35 w

00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:33.920
because we're actually fighting they're fighting people who

00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:34.719
want

00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:38.320
these facilities they're typically having to do with people

00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:41.519
the six or seven of them that are in opposition in the tea

00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:42.159
party

00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:46.269
with those folks opposing it but right here they've got a

00:48:46.269 --> 00:48:46.960
scenario where

00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:52.159
they're getting drawn and beat down over

00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:57.199
a group that wants the the managed facilities because they

00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:57.519
see that

00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.960
they've worked in the region already so that they're

00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.400
getting a feeling that from what i heard just yesterday

00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.840
that they may be able to find a way to wiggle out

00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:13.570
of their opposition to toll lanes on the 635 project and on

00:49:13.570 --> 00:49:14.320
the 35 w

00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:17.840
project and let these move forward and that way

00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:22.719
they don't have to fight the most powerful well-heeled

00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:26.320
metropolitan playing organization in the country behind new

00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:26.639
york

00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:31.119
and la and so i think there's some conversations afoot

00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:34.800
to see how do we get the heck out of this without having

00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.400
a nuclear option because that's what this is

00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:41.380
the state can't move forward without the mpo and the mpo

00:49:41.380 --> 00:49:42.320
can't move forward

00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:46.000
without the state they've got concurrent authority and so

00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:48.480
i think they're trying to find a way to

00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:53.360
to let this project go since it's already down the pike

00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:58.400
as a toll facility and then not have to argue the point

00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:02.500
statewide because that's the point that the question and

00:50:02.500 --> 00:50:03.760
answers in the mpo

00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.719
it doesn't just impact 635 because if you know

00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.159
35e's got another three and a half billion dollar

00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:13.389
infrastructure improvement that we need and it includes

00:50:13.389 --> 00:50:13.840
adding

00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:17.039
two more toll managed lanes to the corridor for

00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:20.340
concurrent flow so what's the question on those if you're

00:50:20.340 --> 00:50:21.119
banning tolls does that

00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:24.320
mean the 35e's environmental document has been cleared as a

00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:24.639
toll

00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:27.679
facility does that mean that it's no longer valid

00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:31.360
does that mean that those conformity issues that we

00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:34.190
assumed were going to be there because of these managed

00:50:34.190 --> 00:50:34.960
lanes that

00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:39.280
subsidized hov facilities does that mean those are gone

00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:42.480
we're going to have to update our conformity after 2045

00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.820
so there's a lot of policy questions that if they tried to

00:50:45.820 --> 00:50:47.440
do this statewide

00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:51.599
now there's just too many too many things that are broken

00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:52.320
if they try to do

00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.480
that so there's people are trying to walk them

00:50:54.480 --> 00:51:01.280
back from from the stupid to just the ridiculous

00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:04.429
well i think we're all in favor of a resolution so perhaps

00:51:04.429 --> 00:51:04.960
we could

00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:08.239
get something brought before the council full council

00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:13.199
for april 3rd and if we don't need it wonderful

00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:16.050
if we do need it then it's there and we can certainly send

00:51:16.050 --> 00:51:17.199
it to michael morris

00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:22.159
and it'll be one small arrow in his quiver

00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.920
i think showing support for your sister community

00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:29.360
oh yeah absolutely

00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.320
ultimately it will affect our situation in denton because

00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:35.199
we're all

00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.719
linked together in terms of road funding so there's just

00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:42.800
like you use the 35 example the interchange example there's

00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:45.670
so many examples where this will affect our funding

00:51:45.670 --> 00:51:47.119
mechanisms in the future

00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:50.199
madam chair if i if i may clarify the what the resolution

00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:51.280
will have in it

00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:58.079
is support for regional or local control support of the m

00:51:58.079 --> 00:51:59.679
pos

00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:03.440
mobility plan all of all of the mobility plans that have

00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:04.480
been implemented

00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:09.199
has been adopted yes which includes the toll component

00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:15.840
and then i think i heard something with respect to well we

00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:15.840
'll

00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:21.280
we'll leave it at that um yeah support i'm sorry support of

00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:24.559
our neighboring community so we talk about region but also

00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.320
support of dallas

00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:30.400
denton county garland and that should essentially cover

00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:33.599
if they bring up 635 with a non-toll managed

00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:38.000
component or non-tolled managed component

00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:41.840
then it would free myself or john ryan up to vote no

00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.469
on that vote as well just something that's clear enough

00:52:44.469 --> 00:52:45.119
that we could vote

00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:51.760
no great we got it okay thanks everybody

00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:57.360
that was easy peasy all right

00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:01.840
item number d letter d receive a report hold a discussion

00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:02.639
and provide direction

00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:04.880
regarding texas department of transportation

00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.840
transportation on system projects in the denton area to

00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:09.599
include 35e

00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:12.239
project

00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:18.480
now you really do have to get up there

00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.170
i think this will have a focus we can go through each of

00:53:22.170 --> 00:53:23.519
the projects but i think

00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:27.119
the two focused projects in interest of time

00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:33.199
will be on the 35e phase 1b project right now

00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:37.139
as well as loop 288 because we talked about that a little

00:53:37.139 --> 00:53:37.440
bit

00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:41.429
and then maybe 2181 there's not there's not really a lot of

00:53:41.429 --> 00:53:42.400
action on any of the

00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.960
other other components okay and if somebody

00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.019
has a question about the other ones they can just address

00:53:47.019 --> 00:53:47.199
those

00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:52.000
individually and john when you get to the

00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:59.519
35e brinker loop 288 i do have a a one slide

00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:03.440
descriptor on the lane shift i think

00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:07.460
council received a notice last night about the lane shifts

00:54:07.460 --> 00:54:08.639
and i just

00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:11.599
figured i'll kind of demonstrate what that looks like

00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:15.280
all right i'll just go real quick on the 2181 north south

00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:17.929
everything's going fine except that this is the same

00:54:17.929 --> 00:54:18.400
company

00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:22.880
that's doing this job that did the bridge in florida

00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:26.889
and there's four contracts that this contractor has in tex

00:54:26.889 --> 00:54:27.119
as

00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:30.239
three of them are in denton county

00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:33.679
just can't catch a break

00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:39.920
john what are the other three projects i mean

00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:47.760
423 in frisco a little l fm 544 in carolton louisville

00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:51.679
and then 2181 and then we've got one project in

00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:55.519
collin county so there's three of them out of the four

00:54:55.519 --> 00:55:03.519
in denton county 2181 544 and 423 how many bridges

00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:08.639
yes they just don't have as far to fall i don't think

00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:13.809
okay four-word drive the good news here is is we got on

00:55:13.809 --> 00:55:14.800
phone conversation

00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:19.039
yesterday with the union pacific folks and they

00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:22.719
have given us final approval on their design

00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:26.480
and they've committed to having the

00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:31.929
agreement signed by the end of april which we needed it by

00:55:31.929 --> 00:55:32.320
may

00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:36.719
so text dot is certifying that this project

00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:41.280
why doesn't that move up will be let in july

00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:44.079
of 2018

00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:49.760
we just gotta work on some

00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:58.769
29 section 5 pre-tim and tina massey with tech stock worked

00:55:58.769 --> 00:55:59.760
out a

00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:03.119
a solution to open one lane in each direction

00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:06.369
there is a notice in your packet that opened i guess last

00:56:06.369 --> 00:56:07.280
week sometime

00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.800
because i drove it so now you can drive from

00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:15.360
35 all the way down to 2181 you just have a stop condition

00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:16.079
at robinson

00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:21.679
until the signal is installed and the good news is is that

00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:22.079
right now

00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.039
it's still technically under construction so there's no

00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:30.320
speed signs up so there's no actual speed limit

00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:34.880
other than what the stable out for non-toed non-signed road

00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:41.090
which is what i think if it's not uh signed it's either 30

00:56:41.090 --> 00:56:42.079
or 70

00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:48.159
so let you pick pre-tim another answer that

00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.559
i took my son through there the other day and showed him

00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.599
no speed limit signs

00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:05.360
what's that signal all right so this is one of the projects

00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:06.239
that

00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.800
we're doing it's the mayhill interchange where we're going

00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:09.360
to build it

00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:13.590
its ultimate configuration based on the schematic that was

00:57:13.590 --> 00:57:14.320
approved

00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:18.400
and the reason why 635 east also is important to us

00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:22.079
is because the ultimate

00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:25.829
configuration for mayhill will include enough width on the

00:57:25.829 --> 00:57:26.800
bridge deck to

00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:30.400
include those those managed lanes so in the interim we'll

00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:31.199
do it the width

00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:34.719
for mayhill underneath 35 but ultimately we'll need to know

00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:41.510
what the full width of mayhill is for 35 but that project

00:57:41.510 --> 00:57:43.360
we should have

00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:49.239
um we should have a contractor ltr is on contract and they

00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:49.679
've had their

00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:52.320
work authorization executed so we'll start bringing them in

00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:52.800
and

00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:56.500
having them do a kickoff meeting with the city to make sure

00:57:56.500 --> 00:57:56.880
that

00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:00.239
they're doing what they're supposed to do okay so make this

00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:00.880
is the brinker

00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:06.159
288 mayhill the lane switches have been occurring

00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:11.199
and we have a schedule completion date still in december

00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:15.119
which we're still arguing about that december 2018

00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:18.639
and there was an exhibit you said i needed uh

00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:21.519
john when you say they're arguing you're arguing about it

00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:24.039
what are they still saying january and we're saying they're

00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:24.880
saying december

00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:28.289
but our contract says august so we're still trying to get

00:58:28.289 --> 00:58:28.639
them

00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:35.679
into the summer okay is it exhibit three presentation

00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:44.480
plane shift all right all right well okay don't go far

00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:49.840
you may recall this uh slide i made a slight revision to it

00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:50.239
but you may

00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:53.679
recall this slide when staff presented transportation

00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:54.639
projects to the full

00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:57.920
council at a work session back in january this just

00:58:57.920 --> 00:58:58.960
demonstrates

00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:03.679
from an aerial uh kind of gives you an aerial view of of

00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:04.639
what the lane shifts

00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:10.800
look like so here this yellow area is the new

00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:15.159
is the new um frontage boat frontage road southbound front

00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:16.719
age road

00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:19.809
this uh this photo was taken right at uh right at the first

00:59:19.809 --> 00:59:20.880
of the year so this

00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.599
is this has been completed and traffic is

00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:27.079
actually on and has been on this on this southbound front

00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:27.920
age road for a

00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:32.400
number of weeks and so what's going to happen is this

00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:35.670
evening they'll do the shift and what this red arrow is is

00:59:35.670 --> 00:59:36.079
essentially

00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:41.519
demonstrating is a is a movement of the main lanes

00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:48.079
it'll use that existing off ramp and go on to

00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:51.199
what was the former southbound frontage road

00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:54.139
they've gone through and reconstructed that there's jersey

00:59:54.139 --> 00:59:55.199
barriers so there's

00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:58.400
some safety and lane protection in between there

00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:01.840
they'll that'll shift the traffic onto this

01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:09.489
former southbound frontage road um and i've lost my cursor

01:00:09.489 --> 01:00:10.639
so it'll

01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:13.760
it'll actually come out this is showing brinker that's just

01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:14.559
because my map

01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:18.000
cut off there's achievers gymnastics but it'll

01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:21.940
it will come back onto the main lane corridor the existing

01:00:21.940 --> 01:00:23.920
main lane corridor

01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:26.550
roughly right there in front of the achievers gymnastics

01:00:26.550 --> 01:00:27.679
just south of the

01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:34.230
buckies development activity and then um south of that the

01:00:34.230 --> 01:00:35.199
southbound frontage

01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:40.159
road will then uh have an on ramp onto the uh

01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:43.320
onto the corridor 35e corridor where they have the three

01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:44.480
lanes existing

01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:47.440
so just wanted to give you a little bit of a visual on that

01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:49.840
well we understand that'll start taking place this evening

01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:50.880
at about 10 o'clock

01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:55.519
and they'll wrap that up about six uh 6 a.m or sooner uh

01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:56.559
they'll probably be

01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:59.840
a closure of the interstate for anywhere

01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:05.599
between 10 to 20 minutes as they move some um construction

01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:08.559
barrels and striping around but as soon as they get done

01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:09.360
with that they'll

01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:14.000
they'll actually open it back up um one one lane will get

01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:14.559
through there

01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:18.400
they'll have to do some um lack of better descriptors some

01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:21.920
calisthenics to try and and move and shift the lanes around

01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:22.400
to make that

01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.760
happen you have a question and that is specifically why

01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:26.159
they do the

01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:31.119
work on brinker on the over underpass so good question so

01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:32.639
what will happen then

01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:39.280
is once the once the southbound lanes are shifted over to

01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:42.559
uh that frontage road or the previous frontage road

01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:49.360
this arrow here is demonstrating uh and i don't have a

01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:50.079
schedule for that

01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:53.280
but we understand within the next yeah a few weeks to a

01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:58.480
month that this northbound traffic main lane

01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:04.340
traffic will then shift to the existing southbound road and

01:02:04.340 --> 01:02:05.039
then

01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:09.920
what will happen is basically from 288 down to this section

01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:11.199
south of brinker

01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:14.239
they'll reconstruct the northbound lanes and once

01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:17.280
and once they get the once they get the northbound main

01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:18.079
lanes

01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:22.639
reconstructed they'll do another shift and they'll move the

01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:24.000
northbound and

01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:27.969
southbound lanes on the new expanded capacity and then they

01:02:27.969 --> 01:02:28.079
'll

01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:31.199
reconstruct the southbound lanes so what that means is

01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:31.920
about where the

01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:35.440
brinker road sign is where that ramp is that's

01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:39.429
where they'll come in and do fill on either side on the

01:02:39.429 --> 01:02:40.079
northbound

01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:43.519
lanes what they'll do is they'll build the northbound half

01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:45.119
of the structure

01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:48.239
for brinker and it's they're going to start

01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:51.559
at that after that 30 days for moving the traffic from the

01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:52.239
northbound to the

01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.519
old southbound they're going to start working on raising

01:02:55.519 --> 01:03:00.639
parts of 288 and there'll be a period of time where 288

01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:06.880
is closed for an entire weekend for the demolition

01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:10.800
and we'll get that notice out as soon as we know in advance

01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:10.800
so

01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:13.800
once that shift gets off of the northbound main lanes that

01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:14.159
's when you're

01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:16.480
going to see a lot of the heavy lifting coming in

01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:20.159
so they bring in the select fill they start building the

01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:23.280
abutments for the bridge Collins and then they'll

01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:26.960
start to raise 288

01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:34.039
so this is all for or in conjunction with the buckies that

01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:35.039
's going in

01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:39.360
not all no ma'am the underpass the underpass for brinker

01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:43.039
is a component of that and it expands or enhances the

01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.179
the mobility plan in our community by adding that

01:03:45.179 --> 01:03:47.519
additional transportation

01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:50.880
component as well as expanding the capacity doubling the

01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:51.679
capacity at loop

01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:54.639
288 and the underpass if you you may recall

01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:57.760
from that one presentation we're going from five lanes

01:03:57.760 --> 01:03:58.400
underneath

01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:03.300
to 10 lanes underneath at 288 but i i there is some concern

01:04:03.300 --> 01:04:03.519
in the

01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:06.030
community that that isn't going to be opened at the same

01:04:06.030 --> 01:04:07.440
time that the

01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:11.420
there's a very good chance that that is the case right and

01:04:11.420 --> 01:04:11.840
so

01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:15.599
is there a possibility that um

01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:18.550
i think the answer is no because i've asked but buckies

01:04:18.550 --> 01:04:19.599
will not open until

01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:25.679
that is done or will we just have to to wait and see

01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:28.880
so the project itself won't have any control over what

01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:33.119
buckies does the city may have some leverage the

01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:37.820
i i believe from talking to uh scott rat clifton engineer

01:04:37.820 --> 01:04:38.559
they have

01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:42.400
they fully intend on opening the project sometime

01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:49.619
in 2018 which is what they did to us on 35 w at 114 when we

01:04:49.619 --> 01:04:49.679
were

01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:53.679
building that southbound frontage road they opened

01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:57.670
prior to the project being completed okay that's what that

01:04:57.670 --> 01:04:58.320
implies

01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:01.429
that's what i was thinking okay thank you so other than the

01:05:01.429 --> 01:05:02.000
fact there'll be

01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:06.960
some congestion in the area this evening and probably

01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:10.199
through the morning until that clears up and then a slow

01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:12.400
down as uh as the detour

01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:15.679
takes place on the main lane traffic the other

01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:19.199
takeaway is is that they'll be doing these this shifting

01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:22.719
component over the next two to six weeks until they can get

01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:23.440
everything squared

01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:26.480
away and we'll certainly bring back information

01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:30.880
either through an informal staff report a friday report

01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:34.960
and and most likely on a monthly basis as we come back

01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:37.900
to the mobility committee to give give you an update on the

01:05:37.900 --> 01:05:38.719
project if there's

01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:41.929
any particular questions or or components that you would

01:05:41.929 --> 01:05:42.559
like a little

01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:45.440
additional detail please advise and we can see what we can

01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:46.000
do to get that

01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:54.480
incorporated to any further information

01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:06.000
so that's the brinker 288 mayho project

01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:10.320
so 35 north it's still we're in a holding pattern and

01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:13.000
clearly we're not going to be able to do anything on 35

01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:14.320
north until we get rid of

01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:17.119
a controversy with lbj east that's the

01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:20.139
other thing that lbj east is doing particularly to the

01:06:20.139 --> 01:06:21.280
eastern sub region

01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:23.920
is there are a lot of projects on the bubble

01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:28.539
that are waiting for the results of 635 to decide how they

01:06:28.539 --> 01:06:29.280
're going to move

01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:32.400
forward and remember the most important part

01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:36.000
financially is is that the commission is asking the region

01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:40.429
to backfill a billion dollar shortfall in a 10-year plan

01:06:40.429 --> 01:06:41.280
that only has seven

01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:45.599
billion dollars in it my daddy used to say that's like a

01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:45.760
pig

01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:49.840
going through a python you're going to see it you can't

01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:52.239
miss it

01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:59.760
35 w main lanes this project is being done

01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:03.519
we're environmentally clearing it as a ultimate

01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:07.519
controlled access facility it currently is a rural freeway

01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:13.840
which has six lanes of of tax supported lanes and wide

01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:17.280
medians and wide parkways so that in the future

01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:20.880
if the policy changes towards managed lanes we have the

01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:25.280
the real estate there to go back and backfill them

01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:29.030
but as an interim we are also doing frontage road chunks

01:07:29.030 --> 01:07:30.079
where development

01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:33.679
occurs so doing from 35 w south to eagle parkway we're now

01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:39.260
looking at 1171 north to 2449 is that next phase and so we

01:07:39.260 --> 01:07:39.519
're just

01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:41.440
going to be building the frontage road chunks

01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:46.159
as development dictates

01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:51.119
okay so uh i call this the brig's improvement

01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:53.599
the uh

01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:57.380
the uh can't get here fast enough tina massie said that she

01:07:57.380 --> 01:07:58.000
put it in her

01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:01.360
contract uh this uh this summer that led on

01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:04.559
march 7th and she's thinking that uh between april and may

01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:05.440
they'll get out

01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:09.679
there and add some more lanes to it and i and and

01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:13.280
mr gragery i talked to uh texted about your idea

01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:20.560
of closing the northbound and they didn't see

01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:23.289
really any opposition to that what they want to do is do

01:08:23.289 --> 01:08:23.920
this first

01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:28.399
and then if it still needs help go do the eldorado 75

01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:29.039
improvements you were

01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:33.439
suggesting so we should start to see this

01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:37.680
in a few months hit the ground for there is going to be a

01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:38.640
designated turn

01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.760
lane at that intersection oh absolutely what's going to

01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:42.560
happen is

01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:46.079
is we're going to limit the traffic to the u-turn because

01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:46.319
there's

01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:48.960
very little volume for that and we're going to add

01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:50.239
additional lanes

01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:53.279
so that the left turn lane you'll have the left and then

01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:53.279
the

01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:57.520
it'll be left and u-turn and then you'll have this will be

01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:01.439
uh a left and through and then you'll have

01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:04.710
a full right turn lane that goes all the way back to that

01:09:04.710 --> 01:09:05.760
drainage ditch

01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:09.600
which is right in here so instead of having it being

01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:12.800
this long yeah the right turn lane will be

01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:16.239
all the way back here and what we're doing is we're

01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:20.000
changing the striping so that if you're in the right lane

01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:22.420
you're going to be the right turn person if you're in the

01:09:22.420 --> 01:09:23.520
left lane you choose to

01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:28.640
go straight straight left left or left u-turn so this

01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:30.800
lane will always have the dominant right

01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:36.399
movement to keep the traffic going keep it going

01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:40.640
all right us 380 east this project is still fully funded a

01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:41.600
little over 130

01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:46.640
million dollars the ready to let is may 2021

01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:49.710
we're expecting to get this project environmentally cleared

01:09:49.710 --> 01:09:50.239
this june

01:09:50.239 --> 01:09:52.890
they feel very confident about that because they've already

01:09:52.890 --> 01:09:53.279
got three

01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:56.239
firms doing the design work on this project

01:09:56.239 --> 01:10:00.000
and again this will include grade separations at

01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:06.210
720 423 navel uh legacy and teal inside denton county so

01:10:06.210 --> 01:10:06.640
act as a

01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:09.199
super street

01:10:11.039 --> 01:10:14.279
loop 28 west so this is the scenario where you're seeing

01:10:14.279 --> 01:10:15.279
that we're

01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:19.520
out in 2020 uh for an environmental clearance and that's

01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:21.279
because we aren't

01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:25.710
in the mobility plan so come june of 2018 we'll be in the

01:10:25.710 --> 01:10:26.560
plan we'll be able to

01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:29.039
update the schedule which will then update

01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:33.119
everything else that we do after that

01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:39.199
fm 1515 so this is another project we have

01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:44.479
um ltr working on and it's my understanding that they are

01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:50.079
working on the survey in the subsurface the su

01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:54.239
utility and i'm thinking that we're supposed to

01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:56.760
continue our coordination with the city if they haven't

01:10:56.760 --> 01:10:57.600
already done

01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:00.960
some coordination but we need to keep ltr working primarily

01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:03.970
what we've communicated to them is this is a state project

01:11:03.970 --> 01:11:04.960
that the county is

01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:07.600
paying for but the city's the client because

01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:11.680
you all got development out there and you got

01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:16.159
bonnie bray on one end and the airport on the other

01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:21.119
and in 1830 this was just the project that uh

01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:24.569
it was adding shoulders and it's supposed to be done by

01:11:24.569 --> 01:11:25.680
this august and

01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:27.739
we just put it in there because at some points people were

01:11:27.739 --> 01:11:28.159
getting some

01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:31.760
complaints about it but it's kind of kind of petered out

01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:37.920
now that they got that bridge done any questions

01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:42.720
any questions looks like we have none thank you so much

01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:45.760
item e receive a report and hold a discussion regarding

01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:46.399
pavement art and

01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:50.710
its use as a traffic calming technique pre-term good

01:11:50.710 --> 01:11:52.239
afternoon let me pull out

01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:56.079
the presentation it's a short one

01:11:56.079 --> 01:12:03.119
traffic art there we go so this was a request from

01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:07.109
council member pagiri to look at what can we do with

01:12:07.109 --> 01:12:08.239
pavement art just

01:12:08.239 --> 01:12:14.000
striping and putting in um some kind of art that would be

01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:14.880
used as

01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:18.000
traffic calming so what exactly is the concept of this

01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:22.640
this is a three-dimensional painted objects on the street

01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:23.680
such as what do

01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:27.439
you see here triangles or if you can next slide has some

01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:29.920
better visuals but

01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:32.880
based on these paintings people when they first look at it

01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:33.600
or drivers when

01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:38.720
they're driving the initial reaction or perception

01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:42.479
is to slow down and then it's a the effect of traffic

01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:43.840
calming is

01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:47.279
primarily achieved by a surprise element and then if

01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:50.649
as long as it's a new thing that they see it's a novelty of

01:12:50.649 --> 01:12:50.880
it

01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:54.000
so that's the concept behind traffic calming art

01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:59.739
and there are certain pros and cons uh pros it helps slow

01:12:59.739 --> 01:13:01.279
traffic down at least

01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:04.800
initially um it can be installed quickly it's

01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:10.239
a very cheap low cost alternative and initially it can

01:13:10.239 --> 01:13:11.359
reduce traffic but

01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:14.560
once people that uh i'm sorry initially it can reduce speed

01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:17.079
but once people that live in that community and

01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:17.920
neighborhood

01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:21.840
know that it exists then the whole it starts to wear off

01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:23.119
pretty fast

01:13:23.119 --> 01:13:26.159
so later on once it wears off it can be used as an

01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:28.079
education. I'm sorry I have two questions.

01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:31.760
One question when you say it's very cheap

01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:34.909
from my point of view every time I hear about the cost of

01:13:34.909 --> 01:13:36.239
painting anything on

01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:40.140
the street it doesn't sound cheap so what would that cost?

01:13:40.140 --> 01:13:41.119
Comparatively

01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:45.039
cheap anywhere between 500 to 2000 dollars it depends on

01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:45.039
what

01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:48.560
what type of payment markings you want to install.

01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:51.680
So something like that could cost 1500 dollars? Yes.

01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:54.960
Wow. And then how much does it cost to make it go away?

01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:57.380
Uh it wears off pretty quickly especially in Texas where

01:13:57.380 --> 01:13:57.840
there are

01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:00.600
probably a couple years every couple years we need to rep

01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:01.680
aint our

01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:06.890
markings to keep it up. Okay thank you. Council Member Br

01:14:06.890 --> 01:14:07.199
iggs.

01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:11.920
And can we also use public art funds for this since it's

01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:12.800
considered?

01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:16.279
That's a very good question I'm not sure if you can use

01:14:16.279 --> 01:14:16.560
that.

01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:19.199
And funds. Okay. I can find out. That was going to be my

01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:20.159
question which is what are

01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:23.439
the funding mechanisms that we have for this? Because I

01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:27.170
know we have transportation related uh what is it called

01:14:27.170 --> 01:14:29.039
the bond set aside?

01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:31.359
It's like the four percent of all the transportation

01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:33.039
projects go to public art

01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:36.640
related to transportation. So that that was going to be my

01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:37.039
question

01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:42.479
is can this be utilized out of that fund?

01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:47.039
We'd have to look into that and it would also have to to go

01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:47.760
through the public

01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:51.600
art commission for approval.

01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:55.439
Okay what are some other alternatives for funding

01:14:55.439 --> 01:15:02.960
besides that money? Um we can use some of the

01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:07.279
traffic payment markings money because we regularly go and

01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:09.439
refresh crosswalks

01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:12.960
especially in crosswalks areas and we could

01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:15.939
allocate some of that funding or we can allocate some of

01:15:15.939 --> 01:15:16.159
the

01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:20.159
traffic calming funds. What are traffic calming funds?

01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:25.239
Meaning we don't have uh necessary every every time we

01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:26.319
receive complaints one

01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:29.109
of the things that we have to do is deploy some of the

01:15:29.109 --> 01:15:29.520
radar

01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:33.199
signs have PD go out there so all that money can be looked

01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:34.000
at as to what kind

01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:38.640
of effort we're putting in to just enforce it and put out

01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:39.039
some of the

01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:42.479
equipment to notify residents that they're driving over

01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:45.439
the speed limit. So all that money can be looked at and see

01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:46.239
how we can better

01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:49.199
channelize uh to implement something like this.

01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:53.600
We don't have an estimate at this point.

01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:57.439
Thanks so I'm sure that because engineers

01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:00.560
love to count things and take that kind of data.

01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:06.000
Uh how it says initially it's effective for reducing speed.

01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:09.270
What does initially mean in three months it works for about

01:16:09.270 --> 01:16:10.319
three months and then

01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:14.239
it doesn't work or or works that's what's what are the

01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:18.960
numbers? That's a good question um in the AIS I present in

01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:19.520
one case

01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:21.359
there they're not that many cities that have

01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:25.109
already uh implemented this so the amount of data available

01:16:25.109 --> 01:16:25.760
is very

01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:30.000
little and um I think initially it can range

01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:33.760
anywhere between a couple weeks to a couple months and

01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:36.640
beyond that most of the residents will start

01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:39.359
ignoring it.

01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:42.539
I have a follow-up to that because the cities that I've

01:16:42.539 --> 01:16:43.600
been in

01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:47.199
have these in um like their downtown areas where there's

01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:48.399
more

01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:52.520
visitors and travelers coming through who aren't here every

01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:52.800
day

01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:56.479
and it seems to work and it probably would work longer

01:16:56.479 --> 01:17:01.239
than it would say in a little residential area that you

01:17:01.239 --> 01:17:01.680
know the

01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:06.560
neighbors drive in so um that that's just a comment that I

01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:10.319
wanted to make. Okay.

01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:16.000
And yeah that picture I would put something like that. That

01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:16.159
's very

01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:19.680
disturbing. When I saw this I'm like this is some

01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:23.199
these are the cons that's a con that you shouldn't be doing

01:17:23.199 --> 01:17:24.159
something like this.

01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:27.920
That is that is that is bad on so many levels because if

01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:29.520
people start learning

01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:32.800
if people start learning that they can ignore that yeah

01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:36.319
then what happens when there's really a person there that's

01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:38.970
oh my gosh. That's why I put it on the cons slide I'm like

01:17:38.970 --> 01:17:40.239
this is something that

01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:47.039
we shouldn't be even it's yeah. I'm sorry.

01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:51.279
I have granddaughters at age I'm sorry. It's on the cons

01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:52.560
page just just for the

01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:55.760
record it is on the bad page. When I saw that I mean some

01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:56.399
someone put

01:17:56.399 --> 01:18:00.960
that in and that's really yeah I

01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:06.909
my son's that age too so yeah. Well I have a question um

01:18:06.909 --> 01:18:07.920
for you

01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:11.520
because some of the areas in our downtown are text art

01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:12.079
roads is this

01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:15.579
something that is allowed on a text art road would we need

01:18:15.579 --> 01:18:16.000
to get

01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:19.760
specific special permission

01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:23.920
not to do something like this but the design or the

01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:28.640
the painting is much easier to do than say

01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:32.289
putting your name on a bridge. They'll allow you they'll

01:18:32.289 --> 01:18:33.600
allow you to paint

01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:37.279
they pretty much let you have free reign on what you want

01:18:37.279 --> 01:18:37.680
to do

01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:41.949
because in grand prairie I work there too they require all

01:18:41.949 --> 01:18:43.520
of their

01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:46.319
all their interstate and state facilities that have any

01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:47.359
kind of a

01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:50.319
retaining wall to be smooth and they come in and do

01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:54.479
commission public art and the state ever doesn't even know

01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:54.880
what they're going to

01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:58.300
get when they say yes half the time so painting is easier

01:18:58.300 --> 01:18:58.880
than just about

01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:02.960
anything else. Okay thank you for that.

01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:05.920
I do want to point out one last thing um I looked at what

01:19:05.920 --> 01:19:07.119
the federal guidance

01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:11.119
was on this and they have specific guidance saying that

01:19:11.119 --> 01:19:14.720
any other colors other than the approved white

01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:18.079
yellow and I think they've approved green for

01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:24.279
bicycle facilities on the pavement is not allowed if it is

01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:26.880
used to

01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:30.100
get a driver's attention and notify or enforce certain

01:19:30.100 --> 01:19:31.199
things for example

01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:35.359
crosswalks so if it's not an approved color then they have

01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:35.520
an

01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:40.319
issue with using that to control any driver related

01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:44.479
aspect his behavior any notification any signage

01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:48.319
that's in the backup I listed that that's a special

01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:51.520
fhw order that was released right after when

01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:55.069
these started coming up so that's another thing that we

01:19:55.069 --> 01:19:56.000
might have to get

01:19:56.000 --> 01:20:00.640
into as to is it legally allowed

01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:04.079
we'll have to explore that avenue if we get into

01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:09.510
using the traffic coming art but if we use the approved

01:20:09.510 --> 01:20:10.079
colors there's

01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:13.439
not an issue there's not an issue okay and most 3d

01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:17.199
could be with black and white or gray essentially correct

01:20:17.199 --> 01:20:19.439
okay

01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:23.279
is that your entire presentation that's it it was a short

01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:23.600
one

01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:28.710
um discussion makes me wish i would stay on council so i

01:20:28.710 --> 01:20:31.119
could vote against it

01:20:31.119 --> 01:20:34.359
against all of it or just the the girl picture against all

01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:34.720
of it

01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:39.359
okay you got one no no i'm in favor i think it

01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:42.359
is especially in the areas that i've been in in the larger

01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:42.960
cities for the

01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:46.319
pedestrian crosswalks

01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:50.479
it draws attention and it makes it more known that that is

01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:51.039
where

01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:54.399
somebody's going to be walking so i don't know if it's

01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:55.520
necessarily to stop

01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:58.960
traffic but it's to designate the crosswalk so that it's

01:20:58.960 --> 01:20:59.760
more

01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:03.039
um visible for somebody that this is the path that you take

01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:07.039
rather than going here or going there so it does both it

01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:10.329
calms the traffic down to where they want to stop because

01:21:10.329 --> 01:21:10.880
they see

01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:14.800
a large i guess painted area and then it also

01:21:14.800 --> 01:21:19.760
um draws the the pedestrians in to that one area where that

01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:20.239
's where they

01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:24.880
know they cross so it has worked in the in the cities

01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:29.279
that i've been in i've seen it

01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:33.380
um i'm also in favor of just setting this up to the full

01:21:33.380 --> 01:21:34.000
council

01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:37.600
i would just say there are some areas where

01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:40.880
i've gotten a lot of complaints about people going too fast

01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:41.359
around

01:21:41.359 --> 01:21:44.960
pedestrians especially children congress street

01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:49.039
around calhoun is one of them and obviously they need

01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:50.079
actual

01:21:50.079 --> 01:21:54.239
infrastructure not just 3d painting but this seems like

01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:54.800
something that could

01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:58.239
happen pretty quickly at the beginning of the school year

01:21:58.239 --> 01:21:58.399
to

01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:02.000
bring people's attention to the traffic flows so i would

01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:02.399
say if we

01:22:02.399 --> 01:22:06.479
can just take a look at some high traffic areas that have

01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:06.560
been

01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:10.159
getting complaints the square is probably another good

01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:15.840
example some of those cross areas so do you want to start a

01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:16.880
pilot program

01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:20.319
something that we can test at congress in calhoun and then

01:22:20.319 --> 01:22:20.640
get a

01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:23.109
feedback as to how it's working and then then move forward

01:22:23.109 --> 01:22:24.079
it's such a temporary

01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:26.479
thing it's i think it would have to be a pilot

01:22:26.479 --> 01:22:30.960
program and for the record registering council

01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:37.199
member gregory's deep opposition to this project

01:22:37.199 --> 01:22:40.479
is it is it something that we you guys could present

01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:44.079
to the public art do we want them to check it out or is it

01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:44.720
still

01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:48.199
not even that well i think if we don't need the public art

01:22:48.199 --> 01:22:48.880
funding

01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:53.359
for i mean if if it's not needed from them then would we

01:22:53.359 --> 01:22:53.840
need to go in

01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:56.239
front of them no i just didn't know if we had enough

01:22:56.239 --> 01:23:00.079
okay i think we can send it to them if the full council

01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:04.800
wants to fund it more broadly than a pilot

01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:10.800
okay all right thank you for the next item is uh the matrix

01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:13.039
coming up

01:23:13.039 --> 01:23:18.159
item f i think who's going to do staff reports

01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:25.010
okay i've got this one or actually there's a couple of them

01:23:25.010 --> 01:23:25.359
and i'm going

01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:29.920
to start with uh we i'm going to start at item

01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:35.279
six if you're okay with that whereby pretend just uh

01:23:35.279 --> 01:23:36.479
address the

01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:41.199
committee on traffic common uh speed limits

01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:46.319
that would be pre-tem yes um speed limits on university and

01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:49.760
it's been a little while but i'm thinking this is right

01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:54.079
on the eastern segment of university east of bell

01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:59.199
between uh bill and the loop is that what we wanted to uh

01:23:59.199 --> 01:24:04.239
council member yeah so the current set speed limit there is

01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:06.560
45 um just

01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:09.989
east of bell is 40 and then it transitions immediately into

01:24:09.989 --> 01:24:10.640
a 45

01:24:10.640 --> 01:24:16.640
segment and um typically texar conducts speed surveys to

01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:16.800
set

01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:20.319
these speed limits and it's all based on federal guidelines

01:24:20.319 --> 01:24:20.800
so

01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:26.399
reduction of speed limits um and reducing them um

01:24:26.399 --> 01:24:29.210
we'll have to do a speed study and if the speed study comes

01:24:29.210 --> 01:24:30.479
back where 85

01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:35.359
85 percent of the people are around 45 miles an hour which

01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:36.000
i think they're

01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:41.039
probably more than that than uh text we can justify um or

01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:41.359
appeal

01:24:41.359 --> 01:24:45.840
to text dot to reduce that speed so that's

01:24:47.199 --> 01:24:53.119
have you contacted uh calvary school um i did um call them

01:24:53.119 --> 01:24:53.840
up and i haven't

01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:56.800
received a response back but you're talking about the uh

01:24:56.800 --> 01:24:57.840
school zone in that

01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:02.159
that's good off of that's the next i think there's the next

01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:02.800
um

01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:08.319
okay on the yes so um calvary does not uh currently the way

01:25:08.319 --> 01:25:08.960
it's set up it

01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:12.289
doesn't have a median opening uh school zones are typically

01:25:12.289 --> 01:25:13.199
set up on

01:25:13.199 --> 01:25:16.800
streets that have openings and have kids crossing in the

01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:17.920
middle of the street

01:25:17.920 --> 01:25:21.600
from cross sections at noddingham there is a signal with

01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:23.199
crosswalk so

01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:26.720
technically irrespective of the speed that the cars are

01:25:26.720 --> 01:25:27.359
traveling when the

01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:31.279
signal turns uh to a pedestrian only phase that's the

01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:35.199
only time they'll be crossing so um and then there's no

01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:36.079
median opening

01:25:36.079 --> 01:25:40.159
for cars to make left into the calvary uh drop off area so

01:25:40.159 --> 01:25:40.960
that's that's the

01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:45.119
only reason why a it won't be considered the other issue is

01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:47.840
it's not a public school which means it doesn't have an

01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:48.880
attendance area that's

01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:52.239
defined where kids are walking towards that so that's

01:25:52.239 --> 01:25:56.479
the other issue um uh that it would be hard to justify a

01:25:56.479 --> 01:25:59.439
school zone there but i'll get feedback from them where

01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:03.199
their school uh kids are coming from i can't remember

01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:08.079
we're noddingham crosses university there you're talking

01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:09.119
about pedestrian

01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:11.520
traffic is there a is there a button for

01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:15.439
pedestrian crossing because there's some times when an

01:26:15.439 --> 01:26:19.279
automobile can't even cross before it turns yellow one

01:26:19.279 --> 01:26:21.840
automobile there

01:26:22.239 --> 01:26:24.880
but never

01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:33.920
google maps and there's all

01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:39.520
see if google does it all

01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:44.159
must be able to do track for you all

01:26:52.720 --> 01:27:00.079
i'll be darned it does have one okay

01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:05.340
i don't know how you're doing what you're doing but it's

01:27:05.340 --> 01:27:06.000
scary

01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:10.630
street view okay so this is the crosswalk that actually

01:27:10.630 --> 01:27:11.119
goes

01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:14.640
and there is a button on both sides so they can

01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:14.640
cross this way to get to every is there a button on that

01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:19.439
side to let them cross

01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:22.239
to the school

01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:27.039
yes that that's the button okay

01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:34.479
oops okay thank you thank you

01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:39.560
the next item is item nine as it relates to your

01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:42.159
presentation about vbikes and

01:27:42.159 --> 01:27:46.000
other vendors you may recall that vbikes has

01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:49.130
chosen to move out of the community we're actually working

01:27:49.130 --> 01:27:50.079
with them to try

01:27:50.079 --> 01:27:53.359
and identify how we might get them to remove

01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:57.359
the remaining bikes they we don't we don't know and i don't

01:27:57.359 --> 01:28:01.279
think they know as to the total number left we've been

01:28:01.279 --> 01:28:04.079
engaged with our

01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:07.350
with the fire marshal who has community improvement

01:28:07.350 --> 01:28:08.000
services

01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:11.439
as well as our police chief and then our legal staff to see

01:28:11.439 --> 01:28:15.229
how we can best remove those bikes which are now being

01:28:15.229 --> 01:28:16.960
considered as

01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:21.039
abandoned property with respect to the other specific

01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:26.800
requests made by council member gregory we've been engaged

01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:27.760
have been visiting

01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:31.600
with line bikes and what we'd like to try and do

01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:34.159
is bring line bikes see if we can get them to come and

01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:38.800
visit with the mobility committee as as per his request

01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:43.760
line bikes and ofo about their business model and how they

01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:48.560
how they would like to roll out if they chose to roll out

01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:49.199
service in our

01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:53.279
community one final comment is is that spin is

01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:57.050
still working with the universities both universities on

01:28:57.050 --> 01:28:58.239
how they will

01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:03.279
eventually roll their program out we have not yet

01:29:03.279 --> 01:29:06.640
received an official application from spin

01:29:06.640 --> 01:29:14.000
but i do understand that we we are engaged with spin

01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:17.659
in advancing what what they eventually will roll out in

01:29:17.659 --> 01:29:18.239
terms of

01:29:18.239 --> 01:29:22.239
permit application i have a question about the v bikes

01:29:22.239 --> 01:29:23.199
because i have seen

01:29:23.199 --> 01:29:27.279
seen some just randomly still here and i didn't know if

01:29:27.279 --> 01:29:32.300
uh they had left the city or not and so with our ordinance

01:29:32.300 --> 01:29:33.840
being passed at what

01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:38.159
point do those get impounded now is what we're telling them

01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:38.800
now

01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:42.640
okay so it's kind of like a yesterday was the two-week

01:29:42.640 --> 01:29:47.899
effective date of the ordinance and they had asked for some

01:29:47.899 --> 01:29:48.399
leniency to

01:29:48.399 --> 01:29:51.520
pull their their assets out we think two weeks is

01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:56.479
more than lenient enough right and are in fact

01:29:56.479 --> 01:30:00.470
right before i came to this meeting our one of our city

01:30:00.470 --> 01:30:01.920
attorneys was engaging

01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:05.439
with v bikes to let them know that we will be

01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:09.439
uh impounding or otherwise uh removing those

01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:14.329
bikes out of the public right of way okay it really

01:30:14.329 --> 01:30:16.399
suggests that their

01:30:16.399 --> 01:30:19.920
positioning technology to find these bicycles is pretty bad

01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:24.399
yeah i thought i saw three of them earlier this week

01:30:24.399 --> 01:30:30.319
where collins road and mingo road intersect they were they

01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:30.640
were just

01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:33.039
piled up

01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:37.279
i will add that when we were in dc um last week the thing

01:30:37.279 --> 01:30:38.560
there is not only

01:30:38.560 --> 01:30:41.039
the the bikes but they have the scooters

01:30:41.039 --> 01:30:47.359
the lime bikes or lime scooters and um i just happened to

01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:48.479
uh see two

01:30:48.479 --> 01:30:52.720
kids with their skateboards on top of the scooters

01:30:52.720 --> 01:30:57.520
and they were without helmet riding down the hill

01:30:57.520 --> 01:31:01.279
and i just was like oh my goodness how do you prevent

01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:02.399
something like that

01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:08.960
it was it was insanity so get ready get ready for that

01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:13.680
it's population control it's it is it is it's really the

01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:14.000
next

01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:18.720
generation we we had no sooner really got what we thought

01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:19.359
was close to

01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:22.720
about an 80 to 90 percent policy as it relates to just the

01:31:22.720 --> 01:31:24.479
traditional

01:31:24.479 --> 01:31:28.319
well actually the bike share dockless bike share program

01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:32.159
and we started seeing some commentary come out with the new

01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:35.920
with the different uh technologies both the scooters as

01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:37.119
well as

01:31:37.119 --> 01:31:41.350
e-bikes same thing with the e-bikes so uh we'll have to

01:31:41.350 --> 01:31:42.560
look to see how we we

01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:46.239
address that we may need to add scooters up front to

01:31:46.239 --> 01:31:49.239
our ordinance or something just because if they're owned by

01:31:49.239 --> 01:31:49.600
the same

01:31:49.600 --> 01:31:52.000
company

01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:56.560
fyi the next item is item 10 i just wanted to bring to your

01:31:56.560 --> 01:31:57.680
attention that

01:31:57.680 --> 01:32:03.760
um i've been working with dcta on some

01:32:03.760 --> 01:32:07.199
on on some pasture amenities issues they've

01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:10.640
they've engaged with the council of governments to

01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:13.760
to seek some funding i think in the neighborhood of about

01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:15.119
40,000 it's an 80

01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:18.720
20 split and they're going to fund that and move

01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:25.520
forward they've identified roughly 50 stops bus stops uh

01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:27.119
shelters

01:32:27.119 --> 01:32:31.210
as well as benches and regular stops that they would like

01:32:31.210 --> 01:32:31.600
to do some

01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:36.079
improvements for ada and this is specific to ada or just

01:32:36.079 --> 01:32:36.560
overall

01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:40.479
accessibility they've identified over 50 stops whether

01:32:40.479 --> 01:32:44.319
that 40,000 will address each of those but it's going to be

01:32:44.319 --> 01:32:45.039
in the round

01:32:45.039 --> 01:32:50.000
or animal or magnitude of potentially 500 to

01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:53.119
2000 dollars per stop where they would have that where they

01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:53.600
would add some

01:32:53.600 --> 01:32:57.039
additional ramp and you know connectivity

01:32:57.039 --> 01:33:01.840
components and we we would probably be working

01:33:01.840 --> 01:33:05.520
with them we have funding in the transportation

01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:11.439
fund to assist with with maybe the permit component to to

01:33:11.439 --> 01:33:12.159
work

01:33:12.159 --> 01:33:16.720
hand-in-hand with the with dcta to get some of these uh

01:33:16.720 --> 01:33:21.119
stops enhanced i believe there was some information that

01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:21.760
went out

01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:25.600
in your packet in the friday reading file as well

01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:29.680
any questions if you have no questions about the matrix

01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:30.640
that brings us to our

01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:33.600
final concluding items any concluding items

01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:38.319
i have some too yes councilman breaks first

01:33:38.319 --> 01:33:42.479
so um recently i learned someone sent me a picture

01:33:42.479 --> 01:33:45.920
of the i think it was oak street bike lane

01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:48.460
the right there's a where it goes straight and then there's

01:33:48.460 --> 01:33:48.960
the bike lane

01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:53.680
and there was someone turning right but using the bike lane

01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:59.600
and i learned that it is okay to for a vehicle to go into

01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:00.479
the bike lane

01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:06.210
when there is not a solid white line but a a dash line and

01:34:06.210 --> 01:34:07.439
so

01:34:07.439 --> 01:34:10.960
i didn't know that and i'm sure a lot of other people

01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:15.039
um bicyclists i don't know may or may not know that

01:34:15.039 --> 01:34:18.399
um but in that conversation the chief weighed in

01:34:18.399 --> 01:34:23.180
and enforcement on enforcement and also on a few other

01:34:23.180 --> 01:34:24.960
things um with bike lanes

01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:28.560
and it made me realize that we need to have a full

01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:29.760
discussion and i'd like to

01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:34.560
have that here um on protected bike lanes um i would

01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:40.649
also i would like to know um like what our plan calls for

01:34:40.649 --> 01:34:41.119
um

01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:44.000
what we do and things that have changed since we've

01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:45.760
implemented it as far as

01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:50.659
the engineering of bike lanes and uh what if there's

01:34:50.659 --> 01:34:52.159
anything that uh

01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:59.920
people are doing now that they weren't yes so right here

01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:04.850
even though it's painted green with a big bicycle on it a

01:35:04.850 --> 01:35:06.319
car can still

01:35:06.319 --> 01:35:13.439
drive in there and so correct yeah it's yeah so uh

01:35:13.439 --> 01:35:16.800
yes according to federal and state guidelines this

01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:18.239
particular area

01:35:18.239 --> 01:35:22.270
that extends about 60 feet to 90 feet depending on the

01:35:22.270 --> 01:35:23.439
speed of speed limit of

01:35:23.439 --> 01:35:27.359
the street is actually an area that's called um

01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:31.699
not a conflict area but an area where cars and bicycles

01:35:31.699 --> 01:35:33.279
merge or use the same

01:35:33.279 --> 01:35:37.760
space for maneuvering and the reason this

01:35:37.760 --> 01:35:42.640
came about is a lot of the issues arising from bicycle

01:35:42.640 --> 01:35:43.600
lanes being on the

01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:47.590
right side of the street and cars trying to make a right

01:35:47.590 --> 01:35:47.840
turn

01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:51.439
lane from the shared right through lane uh there was a lot

01:35:51.439 --> 01:35:51.680
of

01:35:51.680 --> 01:35:55.760
um people were not noticing bicycles that were coming by at

01:35:55.760 --> 01:35:56.079
a

01:35:56.079 --> 01:35:59.039
higher rate and making this right turn lane at the last

01:35:59.039 --> 01:35:59.840
minute

01:35:59.840 --> 01:36:04.399
so based on the incidences and collisions that happened

01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:11.199
um it was decided and that it was a better idea to

01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:14.189
establish an authority of who actually is using this

01:36:14.189 --> 01:36:16.000
particular space

01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:20.000
first on a first come first basis so once a car

01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:23.229
or motorist comes in he can pull into this lane making sure

01:36:23.229 --> 01:36:23.600
that

01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:26.979
he has every space here to make that and if a bicyclist is

01:36:26.979 --> 01:36:28.239
there he has to wait

01:36:28.239 --> 01:36:31.789
his turn to use that space to go straight so that that was

01:36:31.789 --> 01:36:32.720
an area of

01:36:32.720 --> 01:36:37.430
um and the reason this is painted green is any area that

01:36:37.430 --> 01:36:38.079
there is a

01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:45.680
known conflict zone or known um known use area for both

01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:47.039
types of

01:36:47.039 --> 01:36:50.270
motors as well as bicyclists that's painted green that's a

01:36:50.270 --> 01:36:51.039
similar

01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:56.000
thing happens on the other side uh that chief pointed out

01:36:56.000 --> 01:36:56.960
was uh there

01:36:56.960 --> 01:37:00.319
is a right turn lane here that this is slightly different

01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:05.590
configuration this is a um assigned or exclusive right turn

01:37:05.590 --> 01:37:06.079
lane

01:37:06.079 --> 01:37:10.470
so the conflict area is back here where cars merge in and

01:37:10.470 --> 01:37:11.199
out when

01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:14.399
while bicycles go in there so if you have

01:37:14.399 --> 01:37:17.439
uh an exclusive right turn lane this this is a better

01:37:17.439 --> 01:37:19.199
configuration where the

01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:23.039
uh in you know merging and diverging happens

01:37:23.039 --> 01:37:26.920
at earlier than the intersection and everyone knows where

01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:27.760
they're going

01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:30.640
so that's why this is slightly different than the other

01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:38.319
scenario um we're off posting this is my imaginary paper

01:37:38.319 --> 01:37:42.670
so we need to put this on the agenda right this is what i'm

01:37:42.670 --> 01:37:43.039
i would like to

01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:46.000
have that on the uh for a future work session and in that

01:37:46.000 --> 01:37:46.239
work

01:37:46.239 --> 01:37:52.000
session if we could have a list of bicycle accidents that

01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:52.159
have

01:37:52.159 --> 01:37:56.560
occurred in the last year or so as well that

01:37:56.560 --> 01:38:01.359
would be good thank you may i clarify that request when you

01:38:01.359 --> 01:38:03.720
said work session you said work session here at mobility

01:38:03.720 --> 01:38:04.239
committee

01:38:04.239 --> 01:38:08.960
versus at full council yes sir okay very well thank you

01:38:08.960 --> 01:38:15.279
do you have any more councilman um i would like to um in dc

01:38:15.279 --> 01:38:15.680
when we were

01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:18.960
learning about the infrastructure plan there was something

01:38:18.960 --> 01:38:19.920
about the funding

01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:22.720
mechanism changing from what is currently

01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:26.880
80 percent them 20 percent us to the opposite

01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:31.039
uh 20 percent them 80 percent us and so if we could just

01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:31.439
have

01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:37.750
an update on what that looks like um for cities and um also

01:38:37.750 --> 01:38:38.319
i would like to

01:38:38.319 --> 01:38:42.239
say thank you for the trees uh at 380 i saw that they went

01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:42.560
in and

01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:45.760
they look really nice

01:38:46.319 --> 01:38:50.000
council member uh gregory thanks um i saw in the news

01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:50.880
recently about the

01:38:50.880 --> 01:38:55.359
arlington transit plan uh the largest city not to have

01:38:55.359 --> 01:38:55.680
public

01:38:55.680 --> 01:39:00.079
transportation just like to get a report on how they're

01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:01.199
doing that

01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.640
and if there's anything that they're doing that

01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:09.050
that might translate to dcta that we could recommend to dct

01:39:09.050 --> 01:39:09.199
a

01:39:09.199 --> 01:39:14.390
uh secondly uh if we could just have on an upcoming agenda

01:39:14.390 --> 01:39:16.479
some items about

01:39:16.479 --> 01:39:20.319
the freak some from time to time we have

01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:23.520
streets in our downtown area that are fairly narrow where

01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:24.319
we've had parking

01:39:24.319 --> 01:39:28.319
conflicts with uh emergency vehicles getting through

01:39:28.319 --> 01:39:31.760
specifically and we've done some corrections on some of

01:39:31.760 --> 01:39:32.319
those but

01:39:32.319 --> 01:39:35.760
but there's a continuing question on right lane right

01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:40.359
between east prairie and warren uh so need to get that and

01:39:40.359 --> 01:39:41.680
the final thing is

01:39:41.680 --> 01:39:45.130
i'd like to hear a report if we're going to do public art

01:39:45.130 --> 01:39:46.640
on the streets

01:39:46.640 --> 01:39:51.600
then since denton is music city then i'd like to know about

01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:52.239
musical

01:39:52.239 --> 01:39:56.960
roadways you know where you go at a certain speed

01:39:56.960 --> 01:40:00.640
uh so so there's a sign saying travel 20 miles an hour

01:40:00.640 --> 01:40:04.479
and as you go on 20 miles an hour there are

01:40:04.479 --> 01:40:09.739
um harmonics on the road where they put things across the

01:40:09.739 --> 01:40:10.079
road

01:40:10.079 --> 01:40:13.140
and if you go at 20 miles an hour you can hear america the

01:40:13.140 --> 01:40:14.079
beautiful or

01:40:14.079 --> 01:40:18.619
texas our texas and uh i've been on one of those in albu

01:40:18.619 --> 01:40:20.239
querque new mexico

01:40:20.239 --> 01:40:24.239
and it seems much more appropriate than uh

01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:29.300
so so as long as we're going to talk about crazy things let

01:40:29.300 --> 01:40:29.840
's talk about

01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:32.079
that one

01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:36.640
seriously i think i'd be interested in that

01:40:37.279 --> 01:40:40.399
okay i think that's it with that um we are adjourned at

01:40:40.399 --> 01:40:47.920
1 14 p.m