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Item 34. Our first item for individual consideration is

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item A.

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Thank you. Our first item for individual consideration is

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item A.

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Consider approval of the Mobility Committee of Denton City

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Council

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meeting minutes of February 21, 2018. Chair will entertain

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a motion. Councilwoman

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Briggs. I'll move approval. Second.

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Motion and a second. All in favor. Aye. Passes. Item B.

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Receive a report. Hold a

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discussion and provide direction regarding regional

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transportation council monthly reports and actions.

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Do you know who's going to be presenting on this one?

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Well we have John Polster here and and I can handle that as

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well but what

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we really wanted to do is just bring forward A. the agenda.

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If there was anything on the RTC agenda that the RTC

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representative wanted to touch base there is an item on

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here

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that we would walk through with the committee

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very briefly. There's a long presentation as it relates to

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mobility 2045

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and just some of the impacts as it relates to loop 288

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and some of the toll managed lane features on 35

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into our community. Okay.

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So this is this is in a pdf format but really very quickly

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what we wanted to do at least from a staff's perspective is

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give you a heads up. We've been talking in our own system

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reports about

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the timing and sequencing of loop 288 west so on the west

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side of the airport

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how the environmental clearance and sequencing with

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respect to funding has to play a role with the

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with the mobility 2045 update and so really what this is

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showing here

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on the map as provided by North Central Texas Council of

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Government

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is loop 288 and it's a staged facility. You may recall that

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one of

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the things we're talking about is establishing one the

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corridor

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through the environmental process so the the full width of

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the corridor

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and then moving forward with the actual construction

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of one of the frontage roads either the northbound or south

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bound frontage road

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so you'd have then that would be in the initial

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stages a you know one lane in each direction so

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you'd have the two lane frontage road that would be the

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initial phase

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construction so you'd have a northbound and southbound lane

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initially and then once additional funding was made

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available

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the entire corridor would be or the entire facility would

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be constructed

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which would be essentially the what you see on the east

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side or the

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northeast side of town so you'd have a two two lane each

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direction main lane

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and then the two two lanes northbound and two lanes south

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bound frontage

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road. Mr. Pulsar would did you want to visit

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a little bit about the funding constraints with that?

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So the project is uh has about a 150 close to 200 million

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dollar price tag

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for a full controlled access facility it

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includes grade separations both at 35 35 w the railroad and

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380 so those will be grade separated and we have

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a dollar amount earmarked in the 20 to 30 million dollar

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range for

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the frontage road and on one note on that is

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TechStock is ambivalent as to whether they do the north

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bound and southbound

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frontage road and they would look to probably be the city

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for direction on that and i'm thinking probably the north

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bound would probably

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be the first one because it's the inside part of the

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loop and you can make a lot of your connections for the

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stuff that's inside

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the loop like your airport your power plant

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etc but it'll be either one and it'll look to the city for

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direction on that so we would bring that back through the

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mobility committee for a recommendation to take to full

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council

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we'd do that probably once the 2045 plan is approved and

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start moving that process and i think towards the end of

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this

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powerpoint presentation because the rest of it goes with

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transit and why not

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they tell you the schedule that they're headed on and that

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's the schedule that

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we're tracking in order to move 288 up in

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the in the schedule for the environmental clearance

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and so the other the other the other component

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on that one since the west side would be a controlled

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access like an

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interstate highway physically by design right

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and i'm good with that i guess my question is

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would we be thinking are they already designing the idea or

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have we already

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do we have input into where exits would be

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that is an ongoing conversation that we've been having with

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city staff with dme because in the airport because

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right now we have time to adjust those ramp locations to be

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maximizing the

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city's access points and so we're coordinating

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that as we go through the environmental document because i

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glad you were talking already about the the access road on

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the inside being done

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first because that's going to be closer to the airport but

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would hope that we would have exit ramps there so that

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people can get

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in and out of the exit so in the interim it'll just be a

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two-lane road just like a regular road the schematic that's

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being improved

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environmental clear that has both the both frontage roads

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and the main lanes

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the grade separations and the ramp locations and so we're

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working with city staff and the airport and dme

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to make sure that those ramps are in the location that are

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consistent with

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their long-range plans for those sites what is what is

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known is clearly there'll

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be ramps for us 380 on the on ramp off ramp there

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and then most likely for 24.99 but that also ties right

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to 35 24 did i say 24.49 i'll always do that 24.49 rather

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than 24.99

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councilman briggs this for clarification so the um the full

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road will not be

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built but you're going to do the frontage road

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first that is correct faced so it will it will connect

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both ends to make the loop fully accessible

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at present it's only connecting if you see 35 w

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to the existing loop 288 where it stops north of or up near

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um the outlet malls what you see here is what they call the

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outer loop

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that's outer loop which is further north than the existing

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loop 288

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so the loop 288 will you'll be able to get off at 35 w

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and drive all the way around to 35 and then continue

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on back around to 35 if you want through the front you'd

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want to do that but you

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could i mean you'd want to go in a circle

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but semi-circle okay so there there is some debate as to

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and if you could ever make that connection um

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on from basically 370 you know 35 w to 377 and on around

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there's

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some significant environmental challenges with the flood

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plain with

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hickory creek as well as additional or you know development

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uh residential

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development through that area okay i know that this

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committee has seen

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um some plans like initial design plans and has

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made some decisions those are still standing absolutely

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okay and the so the frontage road you're saying will only

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go

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one way and it's possible that we can get it to go

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so it's just um envision the existing interstates you've

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two lanes frontage lanes in each direction northbound south

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you have your main lanes in the middle we're clearing the

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whole schematic the

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entire corridor but then the construction

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and the initial phase would just be the two lane frontage

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road and what we're

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suggesting is is the northbound frontage road because

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it's on the inside but you'd have two lane traffic in the

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interim so one lane in each direction okay so you would

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still have that okay

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yeah is there is there an estimated date for the the full

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completion

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uh no we don't we don't have it funded no okay and we can

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cover that in a little

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more detail when we do the on system report okay and walk

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through a little

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bit of timing and sequencing these really kind of tie

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together it was

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it's kind of a larger document that uh that the rtc has

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been working on

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and we'll take action on in june of this year

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and once that clears up it starts rolling the funding

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um starts clearing up funding um for that interim

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okay thank you i am um curious

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about what is identified on the map is 377 going east and

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west

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uh up there on the northern part well between the lakes

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actually a dual designation 377 is actually that white line

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that goes north

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and south right it just happens to be touching the

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blue line that goes east oh okay so what is that blue line

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that's the

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outer loop could somebody explain that a little bit more

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so your thoroughfare plan shows a portion of the outer loop

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coming in to

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the corridor on 35 somewhere around myelin road

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the outer loop if you look goes from denton county

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crosses collin county grows down the

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uh sorry rolls down the eastern side of collin county hits

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rockwall county at 30 now rockwell county also has their

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thoroughfare plan being updated and they're going to

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continue that line

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south into kaufman county you got to move the map up

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and then kaufman county's got it on their thoroughfare plan

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to come down and hit basically uh just to the right of

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where it says

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175 on that purple line and then it'll tie into 45 at

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ennis in ellis county by sh-34 so you'll be able to go

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see 34 right there at ennis it comes up right where his

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marker is there's a

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in the kaufman county thoroughfare plan there's a freeway

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that goes straight up

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across 75 uh 20 80 and it picks up a rockwall county leaves

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and then it goes up and ties into that red line

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so it'll be an outer loop you got the 635 you got the bush

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and then you got the outer loop so my guess is is that

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uh some of that proposal is already in the denton city

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uh it's in your thoroughfare plan i don't know if it's an

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etj or

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city but that line should be somewhat representative

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of the actual alignment in your thoroughfare plan and the

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county's

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thoroughfare plan because cog has both of those okay what

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the funding situation on that nonexistent okay

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thank you thanks okay please go ahead yeah

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you need to make it smaller again yeah i'll get there

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hold two

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there we go so um here what we just wanted to

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to demonstrate is this is more or less um getting to that

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next phase of 35

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e and it's including the the additional main lane capacity

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as well as managed

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lane capacity as you if you've traveled 35e

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now that it's been completed or substantially completed

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the managed lanes stop in the current hickory creek area

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and so essentially

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what this is demonstrating is that managed uh would

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would have a managed lane as well as additional capacity

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all the way up to 380

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and so that's essentially what they're they're trying to

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bring across with this

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particular plan and essentially when

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when this comes forward it's the plan the plan is

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financially

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constrained so you've got to demonstrate how you're

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going to fund you've got a certain amount of funding

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that you have available and the regional planners have to

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put

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forward this plan that demonstrates how it may be funded or

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the funding

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deficiencies and how they would address that in the future

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so in and of itself that's really all i wanted to point out

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um you know that that that plan's moving forward

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um uh back up that's the schedule so the rtc action is june

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2018

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that's that's that's that's hit then all of these

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times that i tell you that we've got these out years

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for projects because they're not in the plan once that's

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approved

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that you saw that includes luke 288 and whatnot

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once it's in the plan we can go back and revise the date

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to a more current time frame because it's now in the plan

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if that makes sense any other questions on it

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the feds won't let you spend any money on any projects that

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's not in a mobility

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plan and so you can't environmentally clear it

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if you can't spend money on it and so that's why we needed

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to get it into the

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financially constrained plan so that we can clear it so we

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can get

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onto the next step so i think a couple of takeaways that

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you

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may have on this is is one that it impacts loop 288 and

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will and

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staff will will be bringing back a loop 288 discussion

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for the mobility committee to consider and

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and make a recommendation for formal council action

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as to whether it's the northbound or southbound

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frontage road as part of that facility again

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this starts that that funding mechanism that clears for uh

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clears

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environmentally clears funding capability then or for

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tex dot to put funding on it to start the right-of-way

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acquisition

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and subsequent to that the construction construction phase

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of the

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initial phase i think council member breaks has a question

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so this is kind of related but the um there's a significant

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shortfall from the presentation that that i'm seeing

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and then there's um also no new toll roads

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allowed correct is that something that we should

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worry about yes okay and then when i when we were in um dc

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uh last week i heard that it's possible that for the

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infrastructure plan that they want us to toll existing

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roads is that something that you have heard and how does

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that work

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like old roads you would have to pay to drive on old roads

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i don't know how they're approaching tolling uh existing or

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older facilities

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unless they're talking about adding a toll component to

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to that particular corridor so if they're to come through

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similar to 35 where 35 is adding additional capacity

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and additional capacity in terms of a general purpose lane

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as well as adding a general capacity or no i'm sorry adding

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additional capacity

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in the form of a toll managed lane so that's a that's a

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toll component

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of that corridor and that may be what they're suggesting

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so i'd like to add a little bit of clarity on a little bit

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of the federal

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law is moving towards more innovative financing right so

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they're talking about using leveraging toll finance private

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sector

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funding etc the state's ironically led to charge over

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the last 10 or 12 years doing that and now they are backing

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away from that

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but currently in the state of texas there's no ban or

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prohibition on

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uh building a toll facility whether it's a managed lane

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or an actual toll road there is opinions there are feelings

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there

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are thoughts that have been communicated by the governor

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lieutenant governor at

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all but there's no policy restriction that

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allows bans toll roads in the state of texas

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with that said the commission is currently taking it upon

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themselves

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to decide they're not going to put any more money in their

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they're their system on anything that has a toll component

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they they don't have a they have a policy ability because

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you the commission

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gets to regulate intervening every other two

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years with the legislature comebacks and corrects them

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which

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they could or couldn't do that i'm not sure they will but

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there is no ban on

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toll toll roads and so the mobility plan is a plan for 2045

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and so the mpo is that federal authority that it says it

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has to

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look out into the future independent of what texas

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or the state does and determine what their needs are how

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much money is

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available what the shortfall is that's federal

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required so the metropolitan planning organization

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still has in its mobility plan multiple managed lane

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facilities that they have

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not removed off of their plan because it's their

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authority to make those determinations and the people that

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are

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arguing about it today are not the people that are going to

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be implementing

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it in 2035 2040 2045 so you may have a a policy that's in

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the state

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that's contrary to the feds but the mpo will go ahead and

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develop its plan

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based on federal guidelines the one exception is the state

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has a

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law that prohibits the conversion of an

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existing free lane to a toll facility so there

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will there's a law that says if you've ever had a car drive

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on that

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road and you didn't charge them you cannot convert that

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that pavement to a toll facility you can move it over and

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put a toll road

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where it used to be but you can't toll that existing lane

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in

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the state of texas so if it's free today it'll be free

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tomorrow you just may have a neighbor that's paying to go

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faster

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okay unless federal law changes that they're going

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the 100 miles an hour the other way yeah so

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they've got this huge infrastructure bill that's only

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federally funded 20 30 percent and the other 70 percent is

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this

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innovative toll concept where you got to go out and

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find private sector entities you got to go out and use

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fees etc so the feds aren't putting dollar for dollar in

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they're

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saying we'll put in money but you got to match it with

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outside

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state dollars so that we have a problem right now because

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the federal government's going this way and the state's

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going this way

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thank you any other questions that's all right okay then i

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think we

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can move on to item number three

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are you who's going to be doing the presentation for that i

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'm assuming that's

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me but i i gotta go up there

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you ask that every time you always have to go up there

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is it on here no we're just going up

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there's not a presentation there's the time great

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there's not a presentation he's going to walk through the

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information that was in

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the back of him okay all right well then you didn't

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have to get up there and i was wrong i'm sorry i'm good

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that's uh way better that was cruel all right item c

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receiver report hold a discussion and make a recommendation

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regarding pending

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action by the rcc regarding the advancement of the i h 635

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lbj east

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project i i requested this item be placed on the

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agenda just because if there i think john will do a good

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job of

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explaining but if there is action a vote that's needed to

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be taken at rtc i'd

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like to have direction from both mobility and the full

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council for that vote whether it's me or john that takes

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the vote

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so in your backup i don't know if you had a chance to read

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it

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uh the last 10 days or so there's been a

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correspondence war i guess between the commission and the

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regional

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transportation council the 635 east project is a told

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managed lane in our plan and it's been in the plan for

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20 years in this format it is uh supported by

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city of dallas dallas county garland mesquite

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and i think that's all the cities so every community along

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the corridor has

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passed a resolution endorsing the project that's in the

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mobility plan as a

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told managed lane facility

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at the end of the day there'll be 14 free lanes

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14 tax supported lanes and there'll be four

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toll lanes in that corridor

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the commission as i was stating earlier has decided through

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its regulatory

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authority to not move forward on any facility

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that has a toll component included in it now that's

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slightly in my mind an

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overreach because what the legislature submitted

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and on prop one and prop seven was the proposition one

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money and

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proposition seven money if the voters approved would go out

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to

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build new infrastructure for anything other than a toll

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facility so prop one and prop seven does have a prohibition

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to be used on um toll facilities but you've got a list of

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categories that are rank your federal funding

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and category two is the federal dollars that are pure

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federal dollars that the metropolitan planning organization

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determines where those funds go

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initially the mpo honored the state's prohibition of prop

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one and

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prop seven money not going on to a total component because

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they put prop one and prop seven in both category four

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connectivity and category 12 for the the free lanes or the

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open lanes

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program in cat 12 so the mpo put category two dollars on 6

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35

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federal dollars and remember federal dollars not only

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don't have a prohibition against tolling some portion of

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the project they have an

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encouragement to do that the commission

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reacted negatively because the texas transportation

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commission

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okay so the governor appoints these five people

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and their patronage appointments they're not elected they

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're just

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appointments and then they have an executive director of

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text dot

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and then bill hell and all those guys work for the

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executive director who

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reports to the five member commission

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john importantly from what i understand the texas

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transportation commission

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implements laws that are passed by the legislature

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yes so although the governor appoints those members they're

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an agency that

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implements laws correct and sometimes in the office cycle

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they interpret them how they wish and so

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635 was going to be moved forward as a toll managed lane

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using federal dollars

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but in order to do that the mpo had to remove the category

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12 dollars

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that the state put on it and so the commission says you

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cannot

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use our money move our money around because category 12 is

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commission discretion so the commissioners at the

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commission level select those projects and so michael didn

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't just take it off of

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category out of lbj he put it on recommended other

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projects and then he took the category two from

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those and put it on 635 so it'd be a pure

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federally funded project the commission balked at that

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and then they said you need to put it back and they said

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the week the region

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says we can't put it back because our policy says it has to

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have a

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toll managed lanes and they said well you put it back and

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then use it on the

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free lanes or the tax supported lanes and then you can use

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category two to

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build the toll lanes so it'd be two projects let

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separately with two different funding categories to one

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contractor

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exactly that's where the commission wanted to go

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and so the metropolitan planning organization says

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we want that in writing right because that's not a counter

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to what the

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legislature wanted we didn't get it in writing

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but what we did get was a letter from the governor

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lieutenant governor

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and hall senator hall and senator huffines

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saying that this was a accounting gimmick

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and the commission's overstepping their boundaries and so

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the commission

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raised their hands up and said what there's gambling going

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on in this

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establishment i mean they didn't they acted like they didn

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't know anything

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about it and so they at the december

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2017 commission meeting they pulled lbj east and 35w

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and 45 houston grand parkway and 35 in austin out of the

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plan they just

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pulled them out of the plan which is they're allowed to do

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that so

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is the mpo we've got concurrent so if the state and the mpo

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don't agree they can't move forward and so the way the

534
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,200
state projected his their

535
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,150
disapproval was they pulled it out of the plan and that's

536
00:28:50,150 --> 00:28:50,720
the only thing they

537
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,160
could do to stop the region from building lbj east

538
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,680
using federal dollars because there's no state dollars

539
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,549
and there's no prohibition so the mpo if they use federal

540
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:03,599
dollars they could

541
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:08,000
belt lbj east on its own with its own dollars

542
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,750
but the state has concurrence and so the way they killed

543
00:29:10,750 --> 00:29:11,519
the project was just

544
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,400
pull it out of the plan we could pull it out of plan right

545
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:14,720
now if

546
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,200
they want to try to force it as a project that we don't

547
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:17,839
want to do

548
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:21,769
then we can just pull out a plan and nothing gets done on l

549
00:29:21,769 --> 00:29:22,000
bj

550
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,960
it just languishes so in january went down had a

551
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,759
communication

552
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:30,799
saying look we want to find a path forward everybody

553
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:31,680
supports

554
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,059
this project as a toll managed lanes from a local

555
00:29:34,059 --> 00:29:35,279
government standpoint

556
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,880
all the cities have passed resolutions there were elected

557
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,960
officials there saying

558
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,400
we want the same thing that the rest of the region has etc

559
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,200
etc

560
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,869
commission goes well there's a billion dollar shortfall and

561
00:29:45,869 --> 00:29:46,400
so we're not going

562
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,240
to move forward until there's a billion dollar

563
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,400
shortfall covered and so in the interim between january

564
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,440
and march the region was supposed to go back

565
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:02,119
and identify an ability to fund the shortfall only way they

566
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:02,559
can do

567
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:06,880
that is by cannibalizing and delaying other

568
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,400
projects in the region to put it in perspective a billion

569
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:10,640
dollar

570
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,950
shortfall over the next 10 years the region was only going

571
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:15,519
to get six

572
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:19,700
point nine billion dollars to build all the stuff that's in

573
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:20,880
the plan and now

574
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,539
they're being asked to take and find a billion dollars out

575
00:30:24,539 --> 00:30:24,880
of that

576
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,960
six point nine and put it on one project because the

577
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,480
toll component generated about seven hundred and seventy

578
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,279
million dollars for

579
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:35,839
the construction and we were looking at a three or

580
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:38,940
four hundred million dollar tiffy loan which you can get

581
00:30:38,940 --> 00:30:39,759
when you have a toll

582
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:43,839
component you take those away you had a billion

583
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:47,200
dollar shortfall and now the region the commission is

584
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,400
asking the region to identify how to cover the shortfall

585
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,309
and they can only do it with the money they have and so

586
00:30:55,309 --> 00:30:56,079
they have seven

587
00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:58,880
billion dollars in the plan right now and they got to find

588
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,000
a way to cut a

589
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,319
billion out of it to move it to lbj one of the projects on

590
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:06,640
the bubble is

591
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:12,000
35e from 635 to the dentin dallas county line and the

592
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:12,480
reason that's

593
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,680
important to dentin county and its residents is two-thirds

594
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:15,920
of the

595
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,559
collector distributor between 121 and bush is in dallas

596
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:21,200
county

597
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,019
if you're driven down there at all you'll know in an am and

598
00:31:25,019 --> 00:31:25,599
pmp that the

599
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:28,480
collector distributor is not working and there's a

600
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,000
significant reconstruct we

601
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000
have to do to figure out what's going on there

602
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,759
and so that 264 million bucks is gone don't know what you

603
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:36,799
that means the

604
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:41,839
collector distributor is not working okay so in the am peak

605
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:42,240
period

606
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,960
southbound there are more lanes in the collector

607
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,920
district and more cars in the collector distributor than

608
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,839
there are on 35

609
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:54,950
so you got six lanes of traffic for 35 and you got three

610
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:55,680
and a half two and a

611
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,960
half lanes because they're merging on the collector

612
00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:59,440
distributor

613
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,680
you have three entrances all at one time you got the 121

614
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:09,359
frontage road you got the 121 northbound and you got the 12

615
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:09,599
1

616
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:13,079
southbound and you got the 35 people trying to get into the

617
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:13,440
collector

618
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,559
distributor to get to the bush right so you it's

619
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:19,650
actually four you have four people four entrances coming

620
00:32:19,650 --> 00:32:20,319
into the collector

621
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:24,160
distributor for three lanes distributing out to another six

622
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,200
lanes and so there's

623
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,960
too many cars along the collector distributor from what we

624
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,079
anticipate it

625
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:35,140
so we've got to fix that and that's a it's probably going

626
00:32:35,140 --> 00:32:35,599
to be

627
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:40,160
uh somewhere in the neighborhood of you know 250

628
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,359
million bucks so it's that area right in there

629
00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:47,019
there's a collector distributor 121 in the bush so if you

630
00:32:47,019 --> 00:32:47,599
're coming

631
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:49,519
southbound and you want to get on the bush

632
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,920
you cannot get onto the the president george bush

633
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,579
from the main lanes you have to enter the collector

634
00:32:56,579 --> 00:32:57,359
distributor

635
00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,720
in order to get there and the ultimate you won't have to

636
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,160
but we didn't build the ultimate and when you say collector

637
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:03,759
distributor

638
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:06,720
you're talking about what we call service roads nope these

639
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,670
this is a this is a road between the frontage roads and the

640
00:33:09,670 --> 00:33:10,319
main lanes

641
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:13,359
okay so you have main lanes collector distributor

642
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:16,720
and uh friends and the reason they call it that it's a

643
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,680
it's a directly descriptive process it collects all the

644
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,400
people that are making

645
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,200
merging movements puts them into one area and then it

646
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,160
distributes them uh where they need to go i always

647
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,259
heard it called the mix master or something along those

648
00:33:34,259 --> 00:33:34,319
lines

649
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:37,650
okay that's just a large interchange uh collector

650
00:33:37,650 --> 00:33:38,559
distributor

651
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:41,910
is a facility that brings everybody that's going to

652
00:33:41,910 --> 00:33:42,480
conflict

653
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,599
into one area and then distributes them out to those

654
00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:47,200
locations separate from the

655
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,509
main lane traffic and what you're saying is there's not

656
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:50,400
enough capacity

657
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,119
there's not enough capacity okay it's always backed up

658
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:56,670
like 35 will keep going and then yeah you can you're what i

659
00:33:56,670 --> 00:33:57,440
do if i need to get

660
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,039
going southbound on the bush i won't i won't get into the

661
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:01,359
collector

662
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:04,049
distributor i'll start on the main lanes that exit sandy

663
00:34:04,049 --> 00:34:04,319
lake

664
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:08,559
and you got a quarter of a mile bushes there

665
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:11,559
nobody's there and you take off so collector distributors

666
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:12,400
not working that

667
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,559
264 that they're cannibalizing to put on 635

668
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:20,159
is for that project so it does have a direct impact

669
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:24,159
to some of the improvements we want to make 235

670
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:31,119
in an interim interim so week ago wednesday the

671
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:35,599
staff of uh text dot met with the staff of rtc

672
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:39,099
and they had a conversation about how to move forward on 6

673
00:34:39,099 --> 00:34:39,599
35

674
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:43,289
and just ignore the question about how you do the manage

675
00:34:43,289 --> 00:34:43,760
lanes

676
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,559
because how you operate them is not necessarily

677
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:52,000
impact of how you build them because all you have to do is

678
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,280
put the gantries up

679
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,239
to toll and so what the region was saying is we just want

680
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:56,800
to move forward

681
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,170
and we'll discuss it later the commissioner was saying we

682
00:35:00,170 --> 00:35:00,480
're not

683
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,280
moving forward at all until y'all acknowledge that these

684
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,539
manage lanes are non-tolled so michael and them had a

685
00:35:07,539 --> 00:35:08,800
conversation

686
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,789
on wednesday thursday mark williams who's the deputy

687
00:35:12,789 --> 00:35:14,320
executive director

688
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,699
text dot number two in command sent a draft cover letter

689
00:35:18,699 --> 00:35:19,679
for the rtc to send

690
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:25,199
back to text dot a draft resolution and a

691
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:28,159
outline of where the money was to come from

692
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:32,880
to shortfall cover shortfall and wanted rtc to act

693
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,199
on march 8th at their commission meeting at their

694
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:42,719
rtc meeting like the following thursday between wednesday

695
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,079
and thursday the

696
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:49,039
leadership of the policy board rtc rob frankie

697
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:54,010
from cedar hill gary ficus from tarrant county and andy e

698
00:35:54,010 --> 00:35:55,119
ades from denton county

699
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,840
got together and said we don't want to negotiate

700
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,000
against ourselves so we're not going to act

701
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,679
prior to the primary we want to see what happens so we

702
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:11,199
we demurred to to act plus we asked the staff what it meant

703
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:11,360
that

704
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,679
they were talking about deferring the the decision on the

705
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:16,960
toll lanes

706
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,440
and they didn't like the answer they got from michael and

707
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,239
so they kind of put

708
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,920
their foot down and so on friday wednesday michael and

709
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,320
staff agreed thursday there was this information that got

710
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,320
sent to us by

711
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,789
text dot staff on friday michael responds with those

712
00:36:32,789 --> 00:36:33,440
questions in the

713
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,159
packet and those questions are basically are

714
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,659
hammering a nail in a coffin because the only the

715
00:36:40,659 --> 00:36:42,000
metropolitan planning

716
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,280
organization can update the mobility plan only the

717
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,679
metropolitan planning organization can update

718
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:51,280
your air quality concurrence and conformity so

719
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:56,690
basically what those questions that rtc sent back to the

720
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:58,719
text dot did was shot

721
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,980
a shot of shot across the bow to the text dot saying you

722
00:37:03,980 --> 00:37:04,400
can't move

723
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,519
forward on 6 35 by bullying us because we have federal

724
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,159
authority that's essentially what it meant

725
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:13,519
so the very following day friday chairman bug

726
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:17,119
who thought he had a deal on wednesday sent back that very

727
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:21,760
terse uh snippy response basically saying when y'all get

728
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:22,960
your act together

729
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,539
we'll move forward on 6 35 and so rob frankie responded

730
00:37:26,539 --> 00:37:27,440
going well when you

731
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:34,400
answer our questions we'll get back on 6 35 in the interim

732
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:39,920
uh and i think uh councilman buggere you'll remember that

733
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,519
sandy gration on behalf of the city of dallas stated

734
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:48,079
that the city's position is if if there's a proposal

735
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,539
on 6 35 to move forward that doesn't include tolling the

736
00:37:51,539 --> 00:37:52,400
managed lanes

737
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,789
that they will oppose the project and so that's the big 800

738
00:37:55,789 --> 00:37:56,639
pound gorilla

739
00:37:56,639 --> 00:38:03,440
dallas bells on on uh the compromise there won't be one

740
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,500
and there probably shouldn't be uh and the reason i'm

741
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:08,480
stating that is is

742
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,119
the local communities in those corridors have voted

743
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:13,679
multiple times

744
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:17,119
and they had multiple council elections and at the

745
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:20,510
commission meeting that i was at there were probably 15 to

746
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:20,960
20

747
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,010
local residents that just live along the corridor that took

748
00:38:24,010 --> 00:38:25,199
their time to drive

749
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:29,190
to austin for this public hearing to stay they want the

750
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:30,079
toll managed lanes

751
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,630
they want what the rest of the region has they see that it

752
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:33,199
works

753
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:35,809
and they don't want to get short changed that's what they

754
00:38:35,809 --> 00:38:36,480
consider getting

755
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,519
short chains and so i think the rtc's needs to say

756
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:44,480
look local control these entities have passed multiple

757
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,159
resolutions over multiple times this is what they want

758
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:49,119
right this isn't

759
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:53,329
them saying don't toll us right it's saying put the toll

760
00:38:53,329 --> 00:38:53,760
lanes in

761
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,760
we want them and so the rtc is supposed to reflect what the

762
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:03,280
local governments want and so uh i think where we're headed

763
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,559
is that

764
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:08,719
the players that are most directly impacted which are

765
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,610
the cities along the corridor on 635 and those that stand

766
00:39:12,610 --> 00:39:13,119
to lose

767
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:17,440
money for stuff that they need i.e denton county lewisville

768
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,880
all points towards north are standing fairly firm in the

769
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,679
point that the

770
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:26,320
commission's overstepping their bounds they don't have

771
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,760
legal authority

772
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:33,119
to do what they're doing they do have political might but

773
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:37,230
they don't understand the federal oversight that the

774
00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:38,159
metropolitan planning

775
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:41,599
organization has and they were created in 1991

776
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:46,480
specifically to give local governments concurrent authority

777
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,280
to make decisions

778
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,760
about their transportation well-being because prior to that

779
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,800
the state didn't

780
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,269
have to really include anybody in their thought process

781
00:39:55,269 --> 00:39:56,320
they could just

782
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,519
build roads wherever they wanted so the whole point of the

783
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:00,960
new federal law

784
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,079
that changed transportation in the state and the

785
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:08,000
in the country was to give the local governments equal say

786
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,340
in their transportation destiny i'm not sure if i ramble on

787
00:40:12,340 --> 00:40:13,199
longer than i needed

788
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:18,719
to or if i even answer any questions well

789
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,679
i think the summation is essentially that

790
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:25,360
uh there towards the end what he was getting at was

791
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,480
that the mpo represents the locals represents the regional

792
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:36,880
uh regional desires in terms of infrastructure planning and

793
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:42,400
implementation and what has happened is is

794
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,639
the governor and lieutenant governor are you know have

795
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:48,800
weighed in through the

796
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:54,010
texas transportation commission to change the approach and

797
00:40:54,010 --> 00:40:55,280
guideline or

798
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,389
policy if you will as to how the rtc which is the policy

799
00:41:00,389 --> 00:41:01,840
board for the mpo

800
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:07,840
advances their transportation uh transportation plan and so

801
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:08,239
at the end

802
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:13,550
of the day the question is is um you know how do we how do

803
00:41:13,550 --> 00:41:14,000
we address

804
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:20,239
the the shortfall and does does texas transportation

805
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,880
commission really have the authority to to undermine the

806
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,159
integrity of the

807
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:28,639
mpo

808
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,780
let's see who was first on questions councilman bergs did

809
00:41:32,780 --> 00:41:34,880
you have a question

810
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:40,909
i have a frustration about or comment yeah so um i don't

811
00:41:40,909 --> 00:41:42,320
really have i guess i

812
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,400
wrote a few things down so i guess in the in the past how

813
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,519
was the shortfall

814
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:50,739
collected because they're demanding that you get the money

815
00:41:50,739 --> 00:41:51,760
up front that billion

816
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,300
dollars but that is something new that you haven't had to

817
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:56,960
do is that

818
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,440
so the uh the answer is is that the reason there's a

819
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,000
funding gap on lbj is because of a policy decision by the

820
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,519
commission to remove the toll managed land so that

821
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:13,519
created a hole and the commission's saying we're going to

822
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:18,000
create the hole but we're going to expect you to fill it

823
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:22,159
so i mean in the past we haven't had these situations

824
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:23,039
because

825
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:26,320
the commission hasn't uh

826
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,230
uh you know opposed what the region is doing because we

827
00:42:31,230 --> 00:42:32,239
speak with one voice

828
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,679
and we fund it with the funding tools that we have

829
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:39,309
available so when we submit a project for in the 10-year

830
00:42:39,309 --> 00:42:40,159
plan and more

831
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:43,050
importantly in the next three years it's financially

832
00:42:43,050 --> 00:42:44,480
constrained and funded

833
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:49,059
we we had a plan going forward on this well i that's where

834
00:42:49,059 --> 00:42:50,000
the shortfall came

835
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,400
from well as a member of this committee i'm

836
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,440
in favor and always will be of local control and

837
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,809
supporting our local governments um and do not support the

838
00:42:59,809 --> 00:43:00,400
commission's

839
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,039
overreach

840
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,860
so are are we talking about this because we're needing

841
00:43:08,860 --> 00:43:09,760
direction for a vote

842
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,199
that's coming up at rtc there may be a vote that happens

843
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:14,000
regarding

844
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,599
whether or not 635 will move forward and the funding will

845
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:18,480
come out of

846
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,050
other projects that are on system and so dallas will be

847
00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:23,679
voting no for that and i

848
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:27,039
i need to my inclination is to vote no but i don't feel

849
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:30,639
dallas is voting no they're voting not to take

850
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:35,559
money out of the other projects and to keep the plan as is

851
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:38,239
for 635

852
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,880
or do you have to say that all over again because you're

853
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,639
so if there is action on 635 it'll be an up or down vote

854
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:53,179
do we go forward the way that texas transportation

855
00:43:53,179 --> 00:43:54,159
department wants

856
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:57,059
or do we go forward the way that the local government's

857
00:43:57,059 --> 00:43:57,360
plan

858
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,190
has already been implemented or has already been made

859
00:44:00,190 --> 00:44:01,280
through the is it 20

860
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,599
30 plan that did that the 2040 a 2040 plan 2045 that were

861
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:09,199
updated and another thing that in the question and answer

862
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:09,519
which is

863
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:12,639
really insightful if you get a chance to read it

864
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:16,519
it's not just that there was a policy it's not a policy

865
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:17,519
because the executive

866
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:19,440
branch of the government does not make policy the

867
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,639
legislative branch makes

868
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:24,050
policy and the executive branch implements that's how our

869
00:44:24,050 --> 00:44:25,039
system works

870
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:27,760
however the executive branch is making policy at this point

871
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,360
favors and didn't high school would be pleased

872
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,320
the executive branch is making policy through their memos

873
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,119
with respect to

874
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:38,960
toll roads so it's not just a matter of 635

875
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,239
we would also have to modify all of our plans to include no

876
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,280
toll component

877
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,400
from what i gather that they're requesting correct it's

878
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,599
it's 15 separate plans including air quality plans

879
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:53,760
and from conformity from my perspective the most value of

880
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,199
toll roads is

881
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:58,800
is the air quality conformity they they help

882
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,559
create air quality get us closer to conformity

883
00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:05,579
get it get us closer because we're not there but without

884
00:45:05,579 --> 00:45:06,480
those lanes where

885
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,719
people can essentially tax themselves and

886
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,860
go faster we have more congestion which creates more air

887
00:45:11,860 --> 00:45:12,639
pollution

888
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,519
so from my perspective those environmental plans having to

889
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:16,239
be redone

890
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,469
i don't i don't even see how we would ever be in any type

891
00:45:19,469 --> 00:45:20,079
of air quality

892
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:25,820
conformity without toll roads well it seems like we're

893
00:45:25,820 --> 00:45:26,480
using

894
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:32,159
toll roads as an alternative to fund these projects

895
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:37,920
because there's no desire at the state level to

896
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,360
to raise the fuel tax in order to fund these roads

897
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,559
so i will just put one fine point we're not talking about

898
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:48,030
toll lanes there are no new toll lanes planned in the north

899
00:45:48,030 --> 00:45:48,880
texas area

900
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,269
what we're talking about is a managed facility that has a

901
00:45:52,269 --> 00:45:53,280
toll component

902
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,480
and the money from the toll component is used for what

903
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,519
to help offset the cost of the project in construction

904
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:02,719
but also in the maintenance what texas want to do is use

905
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:03,599
the gas tax money

906
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:06,400
that's limited to build those managed lanes as a

907
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,000
non-told managed lane and the only place they've given an

908
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,039
example

909
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:14,260
in the state of texas where there's such a thing as a non-

910
00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:14,559
told

911
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:20,079
managed lane is the upper deck in austin on 35 and

912
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:21,280
everybody knows

913
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,760
that is not an express lane you know that's a big parking

914
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:24,480
lot well

915
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:29,280
an a non-told managed lane means that you don't have to pay

916
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,320
to use it

917
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,559
right but that means they limit the number of entrances and

918
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:34,159
exits

919
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:37,429
so that you are going a longer trip and so the longer the

920
00:46:37,429 --> 00:46:37,760
trip

921
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,880
with the less conflicts the faster you're supposed to go in

922
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,079
theory

923
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:47,519
six i mean 35 into austin has non-told express lanes on the

924
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:50,079
upper deck

925
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:57,039
so well it's not fast no

926
00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:00,920
it does have a better view yes it does so councilman greg

927
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:01,840
ory i guess what would

928
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,239
be your direction if we were to take a vote

929
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:11,449
i would go with i think that there um is best i can twist

930
00:47:11,449 --> 00:47:14,079
through all of this

931
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:18,000
ouch the the regional transportation council needs to have

932
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,599
the

933
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:23,760
the flexibility to get the project done okay

934
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,199
so i think with the three of us agreeing on that

935
00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:33,210
we'd probably take it to full council or yes mark we could

936
00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:34,559
do it on the 27th or

937
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:38,239
the third okay um right now it's right now it's

938
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,400
scheduled on the 27th but unfortunately in bringing it

939
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:42,719
forward

940
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,530
on the 27th we don't have the additional information that

941
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:48,159
may come out of s-tac

942
00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:51,760
and what may happen in the next half week to

943
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,210
10 days yeah let's have the resolution as close to the

944
00:47:55,210 --> 00:47:56,159
meeting date as possible

945
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:59,280
so on the april 3rd then that was the point i was also

946
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,000
going to make is there

947
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:06,000
is a lot of under under negotiations behind the scenes to

948
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,840
find a way forward because the what we're hearing is that

949
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:12,159
you know

950
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:16,719
senator hall they spent a million bucks on that race

951
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,960
and the hub fines was close to nine million and

952
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,429
they we're getting the understanding that they think they

953
00:48:24,429 --> 00:48:25,119
've bit off more than

954
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:30,159
they can chew on lbj east and 35 w

955
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:33,920
because we're actually fighting they're fighting people who

956
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:34,719
want

957
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,320
these facilities they're typically having to do with people

958
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,519
the six or seven of them that are in opposition in the tea

959
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:42,159
party

960
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:46,269
with those folks opposing it but right here they've got a

961
00:48:46,269 --> 00:48:46,960
scenario where

962
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,159
they're getting drawn and beat down over

963
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:57,199
a group that wants the the managed facilities because they

964
00:48:57,199 --> 00:48:57,519
see that

965
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:00,960
they've worked in the region already so that they're

966
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,400
getting a feeling that from what i heard just yesterday

967
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,840
that they may be able to find a way to wiggle out

968
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:13,570
of their opposition to toll lanes on the 635 project and on

969
00:49:13,570 --> 00:49:14,320
the 35 w

970
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,840
project and let these move forward and that way

971
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,719
they don't have to fight the most powerful well-heeled

972
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,320
metropolitan playing organization in the country behind new

973
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:26,639
york

974
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:31,119
and la and so i think there's some conversations afoot

975
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:34,800
to see how do we get the heck out of this without having

976
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,400
a nuclear option because that's what this is

977
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,380
the state can't move forward without the mpo and the mpo

978
00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:42,320
can't move forward

979
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,000
without the state they've got concurrent authority and so

980
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,480
i think they're trying to find a way to

981
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,360
to let this project go since it's already down the pike

982
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:58,400
as a toll facility and then not have to argue the point

983
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,500
statewide because that's the point that the question and

984
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:03,760
answers in the mpo

985
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,719
it doesn't just impact 635 because if you know

986
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,159
35e's got another three and a half billion dollar

987
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:13,389
infrastructure improvement that we need and it includes

988
00:50:13,389 --> 00:50:13,840
adding

989
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,039
two more toll managed lanes to the corridor for

990
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:20,340
concurrent flow so what's the question on those if you're

991
00:50:20,340 --> 00:50:21,119
banning tolls does that

992
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:24,320
mean the 35e's environmental document has been cleared as a

993
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:24,639
toll

994
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:27,679
facility does that mean that it's no longer valid

995
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:31,360
does that mean that those conformity issues that we

996
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,190
assumed were going to be there because of these managed

997
00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:34,960
lanes that

998
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,280
subsidized hov facilities does that mean those are gone

999
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,480
we're going to have to update our conformity after 2045

1000
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,820
so there's a lot of policy questions that if they tried to

1001
00:50:45,820 --> 00:50:47,440
do this statewide

1002
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,599
now there's just too many too many things that are broken

1003
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:52,320
if they try to do

1004
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,480
that so there's people are trying to walk them

1005
00:50:54,480 --> 00:51:01,280
back from from the stupid to just the ridiculous

1006
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,429
well i think we're all in favor of a resolution so perhaps

1007
00:51:04,429 --> 00:51:04,960
we could

1008
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,239
get something brought before the council full council

1009
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:13,199
for april 3rd and if we don't need it wonderful

1010
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:16,050
if we do need it then it's there and we can certainly send

1011
00:51:16,050 --> 00:51:17,199
it to michael morris

1012
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:22,159
and it'll be one small arrow in his quiver

1013
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,920
i think showing support for your sister community

1014
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,360
oh yeah absolutely

1015
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:34,320
ultimately it will affect our situation in denton because

1016
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,199
we're all

1017
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:38,719
linked together in terms of road funding so there's just

1018
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,800
like you use the 35 example the interchange example there's

1019
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,670
so many examples where this will affect our funding

1020
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:47,119
mechanisms in the future

1021
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:50,199
madam chair if i if i may clarify the what the resolution

1022
00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:51,280
will have in it

1023
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:58,079
is support for regional or local control support of the m

1024
00:51:58,079 --> 00:51:59,679
pos

1025
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:03,440
mobility plan all of all of the mobility plans that have

1026
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,480
been implemented

1027
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:09,199
has been adopted yes which includes the toll component

1028
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:15,840
and then i think i heard something with respect to well we

1029
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:15,840
'll

1030
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:21,280
we'll leave it at that um yeah support i'm sorry support of

1031
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,559
our neighboring community so we talk about region but also

1032
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:26,320
support of dallas

1033
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,400
denton county garland and that should essentially cover

1034
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,599
if they bring up 635 with a non-toll managed

1035
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:38,000
component or non-tolled managed component

1036
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,840
then it would free myself or john ryan up to vote no

1037
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,469
on that vote as well just something that's clear enough

1038
00:52:44,469 --> 00:52:45,119
that we could vote

1039
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:51,760
no great we got it okay thanks everybody

1040
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:57,360
that was easy peasy all right

1041
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,840
item number d letter d receive a report hold a discussion

1042
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:02,639
and provide direction

1043
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:04,880
regarding texas department of transportation

1044
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,840
transportation on system projects in the denton area to

1045
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,599
include 35e

1046
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:12,239
project

1047
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,480
now you really do have to get up there

1048
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,170
i think this will have a focus we can go through each of

1049
00:53:22,170 --> 00:53:23,519
the projects but i think

1050
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:27,119
the two focused projects in interest of time

1051
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:33,199
will be on the 35e phase 1b project right now

1052
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:37,139
as well as loop 288 because we talked about that a little

1053
00:53:37,139 --> 00:53:37,440
bit

1054
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,429
and then maybe 2181 there's not there's not really a lot of

1055
00:53:41,429 --> 00:53:42,400
action on any of the

1056
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,960
other other components okay and if somebody

1057
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,019
has a question about the other ones they can just address

1058
00:53:47,019 --> 00:53:47,199
those

1059
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:52,000
individually and john when you get to the

1060
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:59,519
35e brinker loop 288 i do have a a one slide

1061
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:03,440
descriptor on the lane shift i think

1062
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,460
council received a notice last night about the lane shifts

1063
00:54:07,460 --> 00:54:08,639
and i just

1064
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:11,599
figured i'll kind of demonstrate what that looks like

1065
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:15,280
all right i'll just go real quick on the 2181 north south

1066
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,929
everything's going fine except that this is the same

1067
00:54:17,929 --> 00:54:18,400
company

1068
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,880
that's doing this job that did the bridge in florida

1069
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,889
and there's four contracts that this contractor has in tex

1070
00:54:26,889 --> 00:54:27,119
as

1071
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:30,239
three of them are in denton county

1072
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,679
just can't catch a break

1073
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,920
john what are the other three projects i mean

1074
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:47,760
423 in frisco a little l fm 544 in carolton louisville

1075
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,679
and then 2181 and then we've got one project in

1076
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:55,519
collin county so there's three of them out of the four

1077
00:54:55,519 --> 00:55:03,519
in denton county 2181 544 and 423 how many bridges

1078
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:08,639
yes they just don't have as far to fall i don't think

1079
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,809
okay four-word drive the good news here is is we got on

1080
00:55:13,809 --> 00:55:14,800
phone conversation

1081
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:19,039
yesterday with the union pacific folks and they

1082
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:22,719
have given us final approval on their design

1083
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,480
and they've committed to having the

1084
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:31,929
agreement signed by the end of april which we needed it by

1085
00:55:31,929 --> 00:55:32,320
may

1086
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,719
so text dot is certifying that this project

1087
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:41,280
why doesn't that move up will be let in july

1088
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,079
of 2018

1089
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,760
we just gotta work on some

1090
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:58,769
29 section 5 pre-tim and tina massey with tech stock worked

1091
00:55:58,769 --> 00:55:59,760
out a

1092
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,119
a solution to open one lane in each direction

1093
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:06,369
there is a notice in your packet that opened i guess last

1094
00:56:06,369 --> 00:56:07,280
week sometime

1095
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,800
because i drove it so now you can drive from

1096
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,360
35 all the way down to 2181 you just have a stop condition

1097
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,079
at robinson

1098
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:21,679
until the signal is installed and the good news is is that

1099
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:22,079
right now

1100
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:25,039
it's still technically under construction so there's no

1101
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:30,320
speed signs up so there's no actual speed limit

1102
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,880
other than what the stable out for non-toed non-signed road

1103
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:41,090
which is what i think if it's not uh signed it's either 30

1104
00:56:41,090 --> 00:56:42,079
or 70

1105
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:48,159
so let you pick pre-tim another answer that

1106
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,559
i took my son through there the other day and showed him

1107
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:55,599
no speed limit signs

1108
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,360
what's that signal all right so this is one of the projects

1109
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:06,239
that

1110
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,800
we're doing it's the mayhill interchange where we're going

1111
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:09,360
to build it

1112
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,590
its ultimate configuration based on the schematic that was

1113
00:57:13,590 --> 00:57:14,320
approved

1114
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:18,400
and the reason why 635 east also is important to us

1115
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,079
is because the ultimate

1116
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:25,829
configuration for mayhill will include enough width on the

1117
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:26,800
bridge deck to

1118
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,400
include those those managed lanes so in the interim we'll

1119
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,199
do it the width

1120
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:34,719
for mayhill underneath 35 but ultimately we'll need to know

1121
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:41,510
what the full width of mayhill is for 35 but that project

1122
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:43,360
we should have

1123
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:49,239
um we should have a contractor ltr is on contract and they

1124
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:49,679
've had their

1125
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:52,320
work authorization executed so we'll start bringing them in

1126
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:52,800
and

1127
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,500
having them do a kickoff meeting with the city to make sure

1128
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:56,880
that

1129
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,239
they're doing what they're supposed to do okay so make this

1130
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:00,880
is the brinker

1131
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:06,159
288 mayhill the lane switches have been occurring

1132
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:11,199
and we have a schedule completion date still in december

1133
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:15,119
which we're still arguing about that december 2018

1134
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:18,639
and there was an exhibit you said i needed uh

1135
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:21,519
john when you say they're arguing you're arguing about it

1136
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:24,039
what are they still saying january and we're saying they're

1137
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:24,880
saying december

1138
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,289
but our contract says august so we're still trying to get

1139
00:58:28,289 --> 00:58:28,639
them

1140
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:35,679
into the summer okay is it exhibit three presentation

1141
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:44,480
plane shift all right all right well okay don't go far

1142
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:49,840
you may recall this uh slide i made a slight revision to it

1143
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:50,239
but you may

1144
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:53,679
recall this slide when staff presented transportation

1145
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:54,639
projects to the full

1146
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:57,920
council at a work session back in january this just

1147
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:58,960
demonstrates

1148
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:03,679
from an aerial uh kind of gives you an aerial view of of

1149
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:04,639
what the lane shifts

1150
00:59:04,639 --> 00:59:10,800
look like so here this yellow area is the new

1151
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,159
is the new um frontage boat frontage road southbound front

1152
00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:16,719
age road

1153
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:19,809
this uh this photo was taken right at uh right at the first

1154
00:59:19,809 --> 00:59:20,880
of the year so this

1155
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,599
is this has been completed and traffic is

1156
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:27,079
actually on and has been on this on this southbound front

1157
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:27,920
age road for a

1158
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,400
number of weeks and so what's going to happen is this

1159
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,670
evening they'll do the shift and what this red arrow is is

1160
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:36,079
essentially

1161
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:41,519
demonstrating is a is a movement of the main lanes

1162
00:59:41,519 --> 00:59:48,079
it'll use that existing off ramp and go on to

1163
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:51,199
what was the former southbound frontage road

1164
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:54,139
they've gone through and reconstructed that there's jersey

1165
00:59:54,139 --> 00:59:55,199
barriers so there's

1166
00:59:55,199 --> 00:59:58,400
some safety and lane protection in between there

1167
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,840
they'll that'll shift the traffic onto this

1168
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:09,489
former southbound frontage road um and i've lost my cursor

1169
01:00:09,489 --> 01:00:10,639
so it'll

1170
01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:13,760
it'll actually come out this is showing brinker that's just

1171
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:14,559
because my map

1172
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:18,000
cut off there's achievers gymnastics but it'll

1173
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,940
it will come back onto the main lane corridor the existing

1174
01:00:21,940 --> 01:00:23,920
main lane corridor

1175
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,550
roughly right there in front of the achievers gymnastics

1176
01:00:26,550 --> 01:00:27,679
just south of the

1177
01:00:27,679 --> 01:00:34,230
buckies development activity and then um south of that the

1178
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:35,199
southbound frontage

1179
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:40,159
road will then uh have an on ramp onto the uh

1180
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:43,320
onto the corridor 35e corridor where they have the three

1181
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:44,480
lanes existing

1182
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,440
so just wanted to give you a little bit of a visual on that

1183
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,840
well we understand that'll start taking place this evening

1184
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:50,880
at about 10 o'clock

1185
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,519
and they'll wrap that up about six uh 6 a.m or sooner uh

1186
01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:56,559
they'll probably be

1187
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:59,840
a closure of the interstate for anywhere

1188
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:05,599
between 10 to 20 minutes as they move some um construction

1189
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:08,559
barrels and striping around but as soon as they get done

1190
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:09,360
with that they'll

1191
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:14,000
they'll actually open it back up um one one lane will get

1192
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:14,559
through there

1193
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:18,400
they'll have to do some um lack of better descriptors some

1194
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,920
calisthenics to try and and move and shift the lanes around

1195
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:22,400
to make that

1196
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,760
happen you have a question and that is specifically why

1197
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:26,159
they do the

1198
01:01:26,159 --> 01:01:31,119
work on brinker on the over underpass so good question so

1199
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:32,639
what will happen then

1200
01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:39,280
is once the once the southbound lanes are shifted over to

1201
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,559
uh that frontage road or the previous frontage road

1202
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:49,360
this arrow here is demonstrating uh and i don't have a

1203
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:50,079
schedule for that

1204
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:53,280
but we understand within the next yeah a few weeks to a

1205
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:58,480
month that this northbound traffic main lane

1206
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:04,340
traffic will then shift to the existing southbound road and

1207
01:02:04,340 --> 01:02:05,039
then

1208
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:09,920
what will happen is basically from 288 down to this section

1209
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,199
south of brinker

1210
01:02:11,199 --> 01:02:14,239
they'll reconstruct the northbound lanes and once

1211
01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:17,280
and once they get the once they get the northbound main

1212
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:18,079
lanes

1213
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:22,639
reconstructed they'll do another shift and they'll move the

1214
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:24,000
northbound and

1215
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,969
southbound lanes on the new expanded capacity and then they

1216
01:02:27,969 --> 01:02:28,079
'll

1217
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:31,199
reconstruct the southbound lanes so what that means is

1218
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:31,920
about where the

1219
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,440
brinker road sign is where that ramp is that's

1220
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,429
where they'll come in and do fill on either side on the

1221
01:02:39,429 --> 01:02:40,079
northbound

1222
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:43,519
lanes what they'll do is they'll build the northbound half

1223
01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:45,119
of the structure

1224
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:48,239
for brinker and it's they're going to start

1225
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:51,559
at that after that 30 days for moving the traffic from the

1226
01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:52,239
northbound to the

1227
01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:55,519
old southbound they're going to start working on raising

1228
01:02:55,519 --> 01:03:00,639
parts of 288 and there'll be a period of time where 288

1229
01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:06,880
is closed for an entire weekend for the demolition

1230
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,800
and we'll get that notice out as soon as we know in advance

1231
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:10,800
so

1232
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,800
once that shift gets off of the northbound main lanes that

1233
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:14,159
's when you're

1234
01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:16,480
going to see a lot of the heavy lifting coming in

1235
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,159
so they bring in the select fill they start building the

1236
01:03:20,159 --> 01:03:23,280
abutments for the bridge Collins and then they'll

1237
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,960
start to raise 288

1238
01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:34,039
so this is all for or in conjunction with the buckies that

1239
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:35,039
's going in

1240
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:39,360
not all no ma'am the underpass the underpass for brinker

1241
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,039
is a component of that and it expands or enhances the

1242
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:45,179
the mobility plan in our community by adding that

1243
01:03:45,179 --> 01:03:47,519
additional transportation

1244
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:50,880
component as well as expanding the capacity doubling the

1245
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:51,679
capacity at loop

1246
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:54,639
288 and the underpass if you you may recall

1247
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:57,760
from that one presentation we're going from five lanes

1248
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:58,400
underneath

1249
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:03,300
to 10 lanes underneath at 288 but i i there is some concern

1250
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:03,519
in the

1251
01:04:03,519 --> 01:04:06,030
community that that isn't going to be opened at the same

1252
01:04:06,030 --> 01:04:07,440
time that the

1253
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,420
there's a very good chance that that is the case right and

1254
01:04:11,420 --> 01:04:11,840
so

1255
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,599
is there a possibility that um

1256
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:18,550
i think the answer is no because i've asked but buckies

1257
01:04:18,550 --> 01:04:19,599
will not open until

1258
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:25,679
that is done or will we just have to to wait and see

1259
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:28,880
so the project itself won't have any control over what

1260
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:33,119
buckies does the city may have some leverage the

1261
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:37,820
i i believe from talking to uh scott rat clifton engineer

1262
01:04:37,820 --> 01:04:38,559
they have

1263
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:42,400
they fully intend on opening the project sometime

1264
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:49,619
in 2018 which is what they did to us on 35 w at 114 when we

1265
01:04:49,619 --> 01:04:49,679
were

1266
01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:53,679
building that southbound frontage road they opened

1267
01:04:53,679 --> 01:04:57,670
prior to the project being completed okay that's what that

1268
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:58,320
implies

1269
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,429
that's what i was thinking okay thank you so other than the

1270
01:05:01,429 --> 01:05:02,000
fact there'll be

1271
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:06,960
some congestion in the area this evening and probably

1272
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,199
through the morning until that clears up and then a slow

1273
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:12,400
down as uh as the detour

1274
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,679
takes place on the main lane traffic the other

1275
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:19,199
takeaway is is that they'll be doing these this shifting

1276
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:22,719
component over the next two to six weeks until they can get

1277
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:23,440
everything squared

1278
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,480
away and we'll certainly bring back information

1279
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,880
either through an informal staff report a friday report

1280
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,960
and and most likely on a monthly basis as we come back

1281
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,900
to the mobility committee to give give you an update on the

1282
01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:38,719
project if there's

1283
01:05:38,719 --> 01:05:41,929
any particular questions or or components that you would

1284
01:05:41,929 --> 01:05:42,559
like a little

1285
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:45,440
additional detail please advise and we can see what we can

1286
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:46,000
do to get that

1287
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:54,480
incorporated to any further information

1288
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:06,000
so that's the brinker 288 mayho project

1289
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:10,320
so 35 north it's still we're in a holding pattern and

1290
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,000
clearly we're not going to be able to do anything on 35

1291
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,320
north until we get rid of

1292
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,119
a controversy with lbj east that's the

1293
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:20,139
other thing that lbj east is doing particularly to the

1294
01:06:20,139 --> 01:06:21,280
eastern sub region

1295
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,920
is there are a lot of projects on the bubble

1296
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:28,539
that are waiting for the results of 635 to decide how they

1297
01:06:28,539 --> 01:06:29,280
're going to move

1298
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,400
forward and remember the most important part

1299
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:36,000
financially is is that the commission is asking the region

1300
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,429
to backfill a billion dollar shortfall in a 10-year plan

1301
01:06:40,429 --> 01:06:41,280
that only has seven

1302
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:45,599
billion dollars in it my daddy used to say that's like a

1303
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:45,760
pig

1304
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,840
going through a python you're going to see it you can't

1305
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,239
miss it

1306
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,760
35 w main lanes this project is being done

1307
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,519
we're environmentally clearing it as a ultimate

1308
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:07,519
controlled access facility it currently is a rural freeway

1309
01:07:07,519 --> 01:07:13,840
which has six lanes of of tax supported lanes and wide

1310
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,280
medians and wide parkways so that in the future

1311
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,880
if the policy changes towards managed lanes we have the

1312
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,280
the real estate there to go back and backfill them

1313
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,030
but as an interim we are also doing frontage road chunks

1314
01:07:29,030 --> 01:07:30,079
where development

1315
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:33,679
occurs so doing from 35 w south to eagle parkway we're now

1316
01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:39,260
looking at 1171 north to 2449 is that next phase and so we

1317
01:07:39,260 --> 01:07:39,519
're just

1318
01:07:39,519 --> 01:07:41,440
going to be building the frontage road chunks

1319
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:46,159
as development dictates

1320
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:51,119
okay so uh i call this the brig's improvement

1321
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:53,599
the uh

1322
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,380
the uh can't get here fast enough tina massie said that she

1323
01:07:57,380 --> 01:07:58,000
put it in her

1324
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,360
contract uh this uh this summer that led on

1325
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,559
march 7th and she's thinking that uh between april and may

1326
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:05,440
they'll get out

1327
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:09,679
there and add some more lanes to it and i and and

1328
01:08:09,679 --> 01:08:13,280
mr gragery i talked to uh texted about your idea

1329
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:20,560
of closing the northbound and they didn't see

1330
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,289
really any opposition to that what they want to do is do

1331
01:08:23,289 --> 01:08:23,920
this first

1332
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,399
and then if it still needs help go do the eldorado 75

1333
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:29,039
improvements you were

1334
01:08:29,039 --> 01:08:33,439
suggesting so we should start to see this

1335
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:37,680
in a few months hit the ground for there is going to be a

1336
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:38,640
designated turn

1337
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,760
lane at that intersection oh absolutely what's going to

1338
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:42,560
happen is

1339
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,079
is we're going to limit the traffic to the u-turn because

1340
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:46,319
there's

1341
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:48,960
very little volume for that and we're going to add

1342
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,239
additional lanes

1343
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:53,279
so that the left turn lane you'll have the left and then

1344
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:53,279
the

1345
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:57,520
it'll be left and u-turn and then you'll have this will be

1346
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:01,439
uh a left and through and then you'll have

1347
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,710
a full right turn lane that goes all the way back to that

1348
01:09:04,710 --> 01:09:05,760
drainage ditch

1349
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:09,600
which is right in here so instead of having it being

1350
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,800
this long yeah the right turn lane will be

1351
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,239
all the way back here and what we're doing is we're

1352
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:20,000
changing the striping so that if you're in the right lane

1353
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,420
you're going to be the right turn person if you're in the

1354
01:09:22,420 --> 01:09:23,520
left lane you choose to

1355
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:28,640
go straight straight left left or left u-turn so this

1356
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,800
lane will always have the dominant right

1357
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:36,399
movement to keep the traffic going keep it going

1358
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,640
all right us 380 east this project is still fully funded a

1359
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:41,600
little over 130

1360
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:46,640
million dollars the ready to let is may 2021

1361
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,710
we're expecting to get this project environmentally cleared

1362
01:09:49,710 --> 01:09:50,239
this june

1363
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:52,890
they feel very confident about that because they've already

1364
01:09:52,890 --> 01:09:53,279
got three

1365
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:56,239
firms doing the design work on this project

1366
01:09:56,239 --> 01:10:00,000
and again this will include grade separations at

1367
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:06,210
720 423 navel uh legacy and teal inside denton county so

1368
01:10:06,210 --> 01:10:06,640
act as a

1369
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,199
super street

1370
01:10:11,039 --> 01:10:14,279
loop 28 west so this is the scenario where you're seeing

1371
01:10:14,279 --> 01:10:15,279
that we're

1372
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:19,520
out in 2020 uh for an environmental clearance and that's

1373
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,279
because we aren't

1374
01:10:21,279 --> 01:10:25,710
in the mobility plan so come june of 2018 we'll be in the

1375
01:10:25,710 --> 01:10:26,560
plan we'll be able to

1376
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,039
update the schedule which will then update

1377
01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:33,119
everything else that we do after that

1378
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,199
fm 1515 so this is another project we have

1379
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:44,479
um ltr working on and it's my understanding that they are

1380
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:50,079
working on the survey in the subsurface the su

1381
01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:54,239
utility and i'm thinking that we're supposed to

1382
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:56,760
continue our coordination with the city if they haven't

1383
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:57,600
already done

1384
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,960
some coordination but we need to keep ltr working primarily

1385
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,970
what we've communicated to them is this is a state project

1386
01:11:03,970 --> 01:11:04,960
that the county is

1387
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,600
paying for but the city's the client because

1388
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,680
you all got development out there and you got

1389
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:16,159
bonnie bray on one end and the airport on the other

1390
01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:21,119
and in 1830 this was just the project that uh

1391
01:11:21,119 --> 01:11:24,569
it was adding shoulders and it's supposed to be done by

1392
01:11:24,569 --> 01:11:25,680
this august and

1393
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,739
we just put it in there because at some points people were

1394
01:11:27,739 --> 01:11:28,159
getting some

1395
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:31,760
complaints about it but it's kind of kind of petered out

1396
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:37,920
now that they got that bridge done any questions

1397
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:42,720
any questions looks like we have none thank you so much

1398
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,760
item e receive a report and hold a discussion regarding

1399
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:46,399
pavement art and

1400
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:50,710
its use as a traffic calming technique pre-term good

1401
01:11:50,710 --> 01:11:52,239
afternoon let me pull out

1402
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:56,079
the presentation it's a short one

1403
01:11:56,079 --> 01:12:03,119
traffic art there we go so this was a request from

1404
01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:07,109
council member pagiri to look at what can we do with

1405
01:12:07,109 --> 01:12:08,239
pavement art just

1406
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:14,000
striping and putting in um some kind of art that would be

1407
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:14,880
used as

1408
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,000
traffic calming so what exactly is the concept of this

1409
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:22,640
this is a three-dimensional painted objects on the street

1410
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:23,680
such as what do

1411
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:27,439
you see here triangles or if you can next slide has some

1412
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:29,920
better visuals but

1413
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,880
based on these paintings people when they first look at it

1414
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:33,600
or drivers when

1415
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:38,720
they're driving the initial reaction or perception

1416
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:42,479
is to slow down and then it's a the effect of traffic

1417
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:43,840
calming is

1418
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,279
primarily achieved by a surprise element and then if

1419
01:12:47,279 --> 01:12:50,649
as long as it's a new thing that they see it's a novelty of

1420
01:12:50,649 --> 01:12:50,880
it

1421
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,000
so that's the concept behind traffic calming art

1422
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:59,739
and there are certain pros and cons uh pros it helps slow

1423
01:12:59,739 --> 01:13:01,279
traffic down at least

1424
01:13:01,279 --> 01:13:04,800
initially um it can be installed quickly it's

1425
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:10,239
a very cheap low cost alternative and initially it can

1426
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:11,359
reduce traffic but

1427
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:14,560
once people that uh i'm sorry initially it can reduce speed

1428
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,079
but once people that live in that community and

1429
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:17,920
neighborhood

1430
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,840
know that it exists then the whole it starts to wear off

1431
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,119
pretty fast

1432
01:13:23,119 --> 01:13:26,159
so later on once it wears off it can be used as an

1433
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:28,079
education. I'm sorry I have two questions.

1434
01:13:28,079 --> 01:13:31,760
One question when you say it's very cheap

1435
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:34,909
from my point of view every time I hear about the cost of

1436
01:13:34,909 --> 01:13:36,239
painting anything on

1437
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:40,140
the street it doesn't sound cheap so what would that cost?

1438
01:13:40,140 --> 01:13:41,119
Comparatively

1439
01:13:41,119 --> 01:13:45,039
cheap anywhere between 500 to 2000 dollars it depends on

1440
01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:45,039
what

1441
01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:48,560
what type of payment markings you want to install.

1442
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,680
So something like that could cost 1500 dollars? Yes.

1443
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,960
Wow. And then how much does it cost to make it go away?

1444
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,380
Uh it wears off pretty quickly especially in Texas where

1445
01:13:57,380 --> 01:13:57,840
there are

1446
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,600
probably a couple years every couple years we need to rep

1447
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:01,680
aint our

1448
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:06,890
markings to keep it up. Okay thank you. Council Member Br

1449
01:14:06,890 --> 01:14:07,199
iggs.

1450
01:14:08,319 --> 01:14:11,920
And can we also use public art funds for this since it's

1451
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:12,800
considered?

1452
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,279
That's a very good question I'm not sure if you can use

1453
01:14:16,279 --> 01:14:16,560
that.

1454
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,199
And funds. Okay. I can find out. That was going to be my

1455
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:20,159
question which is what are

1456
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:23,439
the funding mechanisms that we have for this? Because I

1457
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:27,170
know we have transportation related uh what is it called

1458
01:14:27,170 --> 01:14:29,039
the bond set aside?

1459
01:14:29,039 --> 01:14:31,359
It's like the four percent of all the transportation

1460
01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:33,039
projects go to public art

1461
01:14:33,039 --> 01:14:36,640
related to transportation. So that that was going to be my

1462
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:37,039
question

1463
01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:42,479
is can this be utilized out of that fund?

1464
01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:47,039
We'd have to look into that and it would also have to to go

1465
01:14:47,039 --> 01:14:47,760
through the public

1466
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,600
art commission for approval.

1467
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,439
Okay what are some other alternatives for funding

1468
01:14:55,439 --> 01:15:02,960
besides that money? Um we can use some of the

1469
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:07,279
traffic payment markings money because we regularly go and

1470
01:15:07,279 --> 01:15:09,439
refresh crosswalks

1471
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,960
especially in crosswalks areas and we could

1472
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,939
allocate some of that funding or we can allocate some of

1473
01:15:15,939 --> 01:15:16,159
the

1474
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:20,159
traffic calming funds. What are traffic calming funds?

1475
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:25,239
Meaning we don't have uh necessary every every time we

1476
01:15:25,239 --> 01:15:26,319
receive complaints one

1477
01:15:26,319 --> 01:15:29,109
of the things that we have to do is deploy some of the

1478
01:15:29,109 --> 01:15:29,520
radar

1479
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,199
signs have PD go out there so all that money can be looked

1480
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:34,000
at as to what kind

1481
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:38,640
of effort we're putting in to just enforce it and put out

1482
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:39,039
some of the

1483
01:15:39,039 --> 01:15:42,479
equipment to notify residents that they're driving over

1484
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,439
the speed limit. So all that money can be looked at and see

1485
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:46,239
how we can better

1486
01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:49,199
channelize uh to implement something like this.

1487
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:53,600
We don't have an estimate at this point.

1488
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:57,439
Thanks so I'm sure that because engineers

1489
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,560
love to count things and take that kind of data.

1490
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:06,000
Uh how it says initially it's effective for reducing speed.

1491
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,270
What does initially mean in three months it works for about

1492
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:10,319
three months and then

1493
01:16:10,319 --> 01:16:14,239
it doesn't work or or works that's what's what are the

1494
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:18,960
numbers? That's a good question um in the AIS I present in

1495
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:19,520
one case

1496
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,359
there they're not that many cities that have

1497
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:25,109
already uh implemented this so the amount of data available

1498
01:16:25,109 --> 01:16:25,760
is very

1499
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:30,000
little and um I think initially it can range

1500
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,760
anywhere between a couple weeks to a couple months and

1501
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,640
beyond that most of the residents will start

1502
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,359
ignoring it.

1503
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,539
I have a follow-up to that because the cities that I've

1504
01:16:42,539 --> 01:16:43,600
been in

1505
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,199
have these in um like their downtown areas where there's

1506
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:48,399
more

1507
01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:52,520
visitors and travelers coming through who aren't here every

1508
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:52,800
day

1509
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,479
and it seems to work and it probably would work longer

1510
01:16:56,479 --> 01:17:01,239
than it would say in a little residential area that you

1511
01:17:01,239 --> 01:17:01,680
know the

1512
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:06,560
neighbors drive in so um that that's just a comment that I

1513
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:10,319
wanted to make. Okay.

1514
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,000
And yeah that picture I would put something like that. That

1515
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:16,159
's very

1516
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:19,680
disturbing. When I saw this I'm like this is some

1517
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,199
these are the cons that's a con that you shouldn't be doing

1518
01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:24,159
something like this.

1519
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:27,920
That is that is that is bad on so many levels because if

1520
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,520
people start learning

1521
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,800
if people start learning that they can ignore that yeah

1522
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,319
then what happens when there's really a person there that's

1523
01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:38,970
oh my gosh. That's why I put it on the cons slide I'm like

1524
01:17:38,970 --> 01:17:40,239
this is something that

1525
01:17:40,239 --> 01:17:47,039
we shouldn't be even it's yeah. I'm sorry.

1526
01:17:47,039 --> 01:17:51,279
I have granddaughters at age I'm sorry. It's on the cons

1527
01:17:51,279 --> 01:17:52,560
page just just for the

1528
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,760
record it is on the bad page. When I saw that I mean some

1529
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:56,399
someone put

1530
01:17:56,399 --> 01:18:00,960
that in and that's really yeah I

1531
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:06,909
my son's that age too so yeah. Well I have a question um

1532
01:18:06,909 --> 01:18:07,920
for you

1533
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,520
because some of the areas in our downtown are text art

1534
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:12,079
roads is this

1535
01:18:12,079 --> 01:18:15,579
something that is allowed on a text art road would we need

1536
01:18:15,579 --> 01:18:16,000
to get

1537
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,760
specific special permission

1538
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,920
not to do something like this but the design or the

1539
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:28,640
the painting is much easier to do than say

1540
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,289
putting your name on a bridge. They'll allow you they'll

1541
01:18:32,289 --> 01:18:33,600
allow you to paint

1542
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,279
they pretty much let you have free reign on what you want

1543
01:18:37,279 --> 01:18:37,680
to do

1544
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:41,949
because in grand prairie I work there too they require all

1545
01:18:41,949 --> 01:18:43,520
of their

1546
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,319
all their interstate and state facilities that have any

1547
01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:47,359
kind of a

1548
01:18:47,359 --> 01:18:50,319
retaining wall to be smooth and they come in and do

1549
01:18:50,319 --> 01:18:54,479
commission public art and the state ever doesn't even know

1550
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:54,880
what they're going to

1551
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,300
get when they say yes half the time so painting is easier

1552
01:18:58,300 --> 01:18:58,880
than just about

1553
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,960
anything else. Okay thank you for that.

1554
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,920
I do want to point out one last thing um I looked at what

1555
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:07,119
the federal guidance

1556
01:19:07,119 --> 01:19:11,119
was on this and they have specific guidance saying that

1557
01:19:11,119 --> 01:19:14,720
any other colors other than the approved white

1558
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,079
yellow and I think they've approved green for

1559
01:19:18,079 --> 01:19:24,279
bicycle facilities on the pavement is not allowed if it is

1560
01:19:24,279 --> 01:19:26,880
used to

1561
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,100
get a driver's attention and notify or enforce certain

1562
01:19:30,100 --> 01:19:31,199
things for example

1563
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:35,359
crosswalks so if it's not an approved color then they have

1564
01:19:35,359 --> 01:19:35,520
an

1565
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:40,319
issue with using that to control any driver related

1566
01:19:40,319 --> 01:19:44,479
aspect his behavior any notification any signage

1567
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:48,319
that's in the backup I listed that that's a special

1568
01:19:48,319 --> 01:19:51,520
fhw order that was released right after when

1569
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:55,069
these started coming up so that's another thing that we

1570
01:19:55,069 --> 01:19:56,000
might have to get

1571
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:00,640
into as to is it legally allowed

1572
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:04,079
we'll have to explore that avenue if we get into

1573
01:20:04,079 --> 01:20:09,510
using the traffic coming art but if we use the approved

1574
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:10,079
colors there's

1575
01:20:10,079 --> 01:20:13,439
not an issue there's not an issue okay and most 3d

1576
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:17,199
could be with black and white or gray essentially correct

1577
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:19,439
okay

1578
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:23,279
is that your entire presentation that's it it was a short

1579
01:20:23,279 --> 01:20:23,600
one

1580
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:28,710
um discussion makes me wish i would stay on council so i

1581
01:20:28,710 --> 01:20:31,119
could vote against it

1582
01:20:31,119 --> 01:20:34,359
against all of it or just the the girl picture against all

1583
01:20:34,359 --> 01:20:34,720
of it

1584
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:39,359
okay you got one no no i'm in favor i think it

1585
01:20:39,359 --> 01:20:42,359
is especially in the areas that i've been in in the larger

1586
01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:42,960
cities for the

1587
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,319
pedestrian crosswalks

1588
01:20:47,279 --> 01:20:50,479
it draws attention and it makes it more known that that is

1589
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:51,039
where

1590
01:20:51,039 --> 01:20:54,399
somebody's going to be walking so i don't know if it's

1591
01:20:54,399 --> 01:20:55,520
necessarily to stop

1592
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,960
traffic but it's to designate the crosswalk so that it's

1593
01:20:58,960 --> 01:20:59,760
more

1594
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,039
um visible for somebody that this is the path that you take

1595
01:21:03,039 --> 01:21:07,039
rather than going here or going there so it does both it

1596
01:21:07,039 --> 01:21:10,329
calms the traffic down to where they want to stop because

1597
01:21:10,329 --> 01:21:10,880
they see

1598
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,800
a large i guess painted area and then it also

1599
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:19,760
um draws the the pedestrians in to that one area where that

1600
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:20,239
's where they

1601
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:24,880
know they cross so it has worked in the in the cities

1602
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:29,279
that i've been in i've seen it

1603
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:33,380
um i'm also in favor of just setting this up to the full

1604
01:21:33,380 --> 01:21:34,000
council

1605
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,600
i would just say there are some areas where

1606
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,880
i've gotten a lot of complaints about people going too fast

1607
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:41,359
around

1608
01:21:41,359 --> 01:21:44,960
pedestrians especially children congress street

1609
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:49,039
around calhoun is one of them and obviously they need

1610
01:21:49,039 --> 01:21:50,079
actual

1611
01:21:50,079 --> 01:21:54,239
infrastructure not just 3d painting but this seems like

1612
01:21:54,239 --> 01:21:54,800
something that could

1613
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,239
happen pretty quickly at the beginning of the school year

1614
01:21:58,239 --> 01:21:58,399
to

1615
01:21:58,399 --> 01:22:02,000
bring people's attention to the traffic flows so i would

1616
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:02,399
say if we

1617
01:22:02,399 --> 01:22:06,479
can just take a look at some high traffic areas that have

1618
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:06,560
been

1619
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:10,159
getting complaints the square is probably another good

1620
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:15,840
example some of those cross areas so do you want to start a

1621
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:16,880
pilot program

1622
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,319
something that we can test at congress in calhoun and then

1623
01:22:20,319 --> 01:22:20,640
get a

1624
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:23,109
feedback as to how it's working and then then move forward

1625
01:22:23,109 --> 01:22:24,079
it's such a temporary

1626
01:22:24,079 --> 01:22:26,479
thing it's i think it would have to be a pilot

1627
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:30,960
program and for the record registering council

1628
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:37,199
member gregory's deep opposition to this project

1629
01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:40,479
is it is it something that we you guys could present

1630
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:44,079
to the public art do we want them to check it out or is it

1631
01:22:44,079 --> 01:22:44,720
still

1632
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:48,199
not even that well i think if we don't need the public art

1633
01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:48,880
funding

1634
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:53,359
for i mean if if it's not needed from them then would we

1635
01:22:53,359 --> 01:22:53,840
need to go in

1636
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,239
front of them no i just didn't know if we had enough

1637
01:22:56,239 --> 01:23:00,079
okay i think we can send it to them if the full council

1638
01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:04,800
wants to fund it more broadly than a pilot

1639
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:10,800
okay all right thank you for the next item is uh the matrix

1640
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,039
coming up

1641
01:23:13,039 --> 01:23:18,159
item f i think who's going to do staff reports

1642
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:25,010
okay i've got this one or actually there's a couple of them

1643
01:23:25,010 --> 01:23:25,359
and i'm going

1644
01:23:25,359 --> 01:23:29,920
to start with uh we i'm going to start at item

1645
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:35,279
six if you're okay with that whereby pretend just uh

1646
01:23:35,279 --> 01:23:36,479
address the

1647
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:41,199
committee on traffic common uh speed limits

1648
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:46,319
that would be pre-tem yes um speed limits on university and

1649
01:23:46,319 --> 01:23:49,760
it's been a little while but i'm thinking this is right

1650
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:54,079
on the eastern segment of university east of bell

1651
01:23:54,079 --> 01:23:59,199
between uh bill and the loop is that what we wanted to uh

1652
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:04,239
council member yeah so the current set speed limit there is

1653
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:06,560
45 um just

1654
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,989
east of bell is 40 and then it transitions immediately into

1655
01:24:09,989 --> 01:24:10,640
a 45

1656
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:16,640
segment and um typically texar conducts speed surveys to

1657
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:16,800
set

1658
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,319
these speed limits and it's all based on federal guidelines

1659
01:24:20,319 --> 01:24:20,800
so

1660
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:26,399
reduction of speed limits um and reducing them um

1661
01:24:26,399 --> 01:24:29,210
we'll have to do a speed study and if the speed study comes

1662
01:24:29,210 --> 01:24:30,479
back where 85

1663
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:35,359
85 percent of the people are around 45 miles an hour which

1664
01:24:35,359 --> 01:24:36,000
i think they're

1665
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:41,039
probably more than that than uh text we can justify um or

1666
01:24:41,039 --> 01:24:41,359
appeal

1667
01:24:41,359 --> 01:24:45,840
to text dot to reduce that speed so that's

1668
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:53,119
have you contacted uh calvary school um i did um call them

1669
01:24:53,119 --> 01:24:53,840
up and i haven't

1670
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,800
received a response back but you're talking about the uh

1671
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:57,840
school zone in that

1672
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:02,159
that's good off of that's the next i think there's the next

1673
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:02,800
um

1674
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:08,319
okay on the yes so um calvary does not uh currently the way

1675
01:25:08,319 --> 01:25:08,960
it's set up it

1676
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,289
doesn't have a median opening uh school zones are typically

1677
01:25:12,289 --> 01:25:13,199
set up on

1678
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:16,800
streets that have openings and have kids crossing in the

1679
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:17,920
middle of the street

1680
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,600
from cross sections at noddingham there is a signal with

1681
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,199
crosswalk so

1682
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:26,720
technically irrespective of the speed that the cars are

1683
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:27,359
traveling when the

1684
01:25:27,359 --> 01:25:31,279
signal turns uh to a pedestrian only phase that's the

1685
01:25:31,279 --> 01:25:35,199
only time they'll be crossing so um and then there's no

1686
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:36,079
median opening

1687
01:25:36,079 --> 01:25:40,159
for cars to make left into the calvary uh drop off area so

1688
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:40,960
that's that's the

1689
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:45,119
only reason why a it won't be considered the other issue is

1690
01:25:45,119 --> 01:25:47,840
it's not a public school which means it doesn't have an

1691
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:48,880
attendance area that's

1692
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,239
defined where kids are walking towards that so that's

1693
01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:56,479
the other issue um uh that it would be hard to justify a

1694
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,439
school zone there but i'll get feedback from them where

1695
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:03,199
their school uh kids are coming from i can't remember

1696
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:08,079
we're noddingham crosses university there you're talking

1697
01:26:08,079 --> 01:26:09,119
about pedestrian

1698
01:26:09,119 --> 01:26:11,520
traffic is there a is there a button for

1699
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:15,439
pedestrian crossing because there's some times when an

1700
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:19,279
automobile can't even cross before it turns yellow one

1701
01:26:19,279 --> 01:26:21,840
automobile there

1702
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:24,880
but never

1703
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,920
google maps and there's all

1704
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:39,520
see if google does it all

1705
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:44,159
must be able to do track for you all

1706
01:26:52,720 --> 01:27:00,079
i'll be darned it does have one okay

1707
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:05,340
i don't know how you're doing what you're doing but it's

1708
01:27:05,340 --> 01:27:06,000
scary

1709
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:10,630
street view okay so this is the crosswalk that actually

1710
01:27:10,630 --> 01:27:11,119
goes

1711
01:27:11,119 --> 01:27:14,640
and there is a button on both sides so they can

1712
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:14,640
cross this way to get to every is there a button on that

1713
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:19,439
side to let them cross

1714
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,239
to the school

1715
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:27,039
yes that that's the button okay

1716
01:27:27,039 --> 01:27:34,479
oops okay thank you thank you

1717
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:39,560
the next item is item nine as it relates to your

1718
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,159
presentation about vbikes and

1719
01:27:42,159 --> 01:27:46,000
other vendors you may recall that vbikes has

1720
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,130
chosen to move out of the community we're actually working

1721
01:27:49,130 --> 01:27:50,079
with them to try

1722
01:27:50,079 --> 01:27:53,359
and identify how we might get them to remove

1723
01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:57,359
the remaining bikes they we don't we don't know and i don't

1724
01:27:57,359 --> 01:28:01,279
think they know as to the total number left we've been

1725
01:28:01,279 --> 01:28:04,079
engaged with our

1726
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,350
with the fire marshal who has community improvement

1727
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:08,000
services

1728
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,439
as well as our police chief and then our legal staff to see

1729
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:15,229
how we can best remove those bikes which are now being

1730
01:28:15,229 --> 01:28:16,960
considered as

1731
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:21,039
abandoned property with respect to the other specific

1732
01:28:21,039 --> 01:28:26,800
requests made by council member gregory we've been engaged

1733
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:27,760
have been visiting

1734
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:31,600
with line bikes and what we'd like to try and do

1735
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,159
is bring line bikes see if we can get them to come and

1736
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:38,800
visit with the mobility committee as as per his request

1737
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:43,760
line bikes and ofo about their business model and how they

1738
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:48,560
how they would like to roll out if they chose to roll out

1739
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:49,199
service in our

1740
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:53,279
community one final comment is is that spin is

1741
01:28:53,279 --> 01:28:57,050
still working with the universities both universities on

1742
01:28:57,050 --> 01:28:58,239
how they will

1743
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:03,279
eventually roll their program out we have not yet

1744
01:29:03,279 --> 01:29:06,640
received an official application from spin

1745
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:14,000
but i do understand that we we are engaged with spin

1746
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:17,659
in advancing what what they eventually will roll out in

1747
01:29:17,659 --> 01:29:18,239
terms of

1748
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:22,239
permit application i have a question about the v bikes

1749
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:23,199
because i have seen

1750
01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:27,279
seen some just randomly still here and i didn't know if

1751
01:29:27,279 --> 01:29:32,300
uh they had left the city or not and so with our ordinance

1752
01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:33,840
being passed at what

1753
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:38,159
point do those get impounded now is what we're telling them

1754
01:29:38,159 --> 01:29:38,800
now

1755
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:42,640
okay so it's kind of like a yesterday was the two-week

1756
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:47,899
effective date of the ordinance and they had asked for some

1757
01:29:47,899 --> 01:29:48,399
leniency to

1758
01:29:48,399 --> 01:29:51,520
pull their their assets out we think two weeks is

1759
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:56,479
more than lenient enough right and are in fact

1760
01:29:56,479 --> 01:30:00,470
right before i came to this meeting our one of our city

1761
01:30:00,470 --> 01:30:01,920
attorneys was engaging

1762
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:05,439
with v bikes to let them know that we will be

1763
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:09,439
uh impounding or otherwise uh removing those

1764
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:14,329
bikes out of the public right of way okay it really

1765
01:30:14,329 --> 01:30:16,399
suggests that their

1766
01:30:16,399 --> 01:30:19,920
positioning technology to find these bicycles is pretty bad

1767
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:24,399
yeah i thought i saw three of them earlier this week

1768
01:30:24,399 --> 01:30:30,319
where collins road and mingo road intersect they were they

1769
01:30:30,319 --> 01:30:30,640
were just

1770
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,039
piled up

1771
01:30:34,319 --> 01:30:37,279
i will add that when we were in dc um last week the thing

1772
01:30:37,279 --> 01:30:38,560
there is not only

1773
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:41,039
the the bikes but they have the scooters

1774
01:30:41,039 --> 01:30:47,359
the lime bikes or lime scooters and um i just happened to

1775
01:30:47,359 --> 01:30:48,479
uh see two

1776
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:52,720
kids with their skateboards on top of the scooters

1777
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:57,520
and they were without helmet riding down the hill

1778
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:01,279
and i just was like oh my goodness how do you prevent

1779
01:31:01,279 --> 01:31:02,399
something like that

1780
01:31:02,399 --> 01:31:08,960
it was it was insanity so get ready get ready for that

1781
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:13,680
it's population control it's it is it is it's really the

1782
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:14,000
next

1783
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:18,720
generation we we had no sooner really got what we thought

1784
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:19,359
was close to

1785
01:31:19,359 --> 01:31:22,720
about an 80 to 90 percent policy as it relates to just the

1786
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:24,479
traditional

1787
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:28,319
well actually the bike share dockless bike share program

1788
01:31:28,319 --> 01:31:32,159
and we started seeing some commentary come out with the new

1789
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:35,920
with the different uh technologies both the scooters as

1790
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,119
well as

1791
01:31:37,119 --> 01:31:41,350
e-bikes same thing with the e-bikes so uh we'll have to

1792
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:42,560
look to see how we we

1793
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:46,239
address that we may need to add scooters up front to

1794
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:49,239
our ordinance or something just because if they're owned by

1795
01:31:49,239 --> 01:31:49,600
the same

1796
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,000
company

1797
01:31:52,079 --> 01:31:56,560
fyi the next item is item 10 i just wanted to bring to your

1798
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:57,680
attention that

1799
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:03,760
um i've been working with dcta on some

1800
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:07,199
on on some pasture amenities issues they've

1801
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:10,640
they've engaged with the council of governments to

1802
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,760
to seek some funding i think in the neighborhood of about

1803
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,119
40,000 it's an 80

1804
01:32:15,119 --> 01:32:18,720
20 split and they're going to fund that and move

1805
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:25,520
forward they've identified roughly 50 stops bus stops uh

1806
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,119
shelters

1807
01:32:27,119 --> 01:32:31,210
as well as benches and regular stops that they would like

1808
01:32:31,210 --> 01:32:31,600
to do some

1809
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:36,079
improvements for ada and this is specific to ada or just

1810
01:32:36,079 --> 01:32:36,560
overall

1811
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:40,479
accessibility they've identified over 50 stops whether

1812
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:44,319
that 40,000 will address each of those but it's going to be

1813
01:32:44,319 --> 01:32:45,039
in the round

1814
01:32:45,039 --> 01:32:50,000
or animal or magnitude of potentially 500 to

1815
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:53,119
2000 dollars per stop where they would have that where they

1816
01:32:53,119 --> 01:32:53,600
would add some

1817
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:57,039
additional ramp and you know connectivity

1818
01:32:57,039 --> 01:33:01,840
components and we we would probably be working

1819
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:05,520
with them we have funding in the transportation

1820
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:11,439
fund to assist with with maybe the permit component to to

1821
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:12,159
work

1822
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:16,720
hand-in-hand with the with dcta to get some of these uh

1823
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:21,119
stops enhanced i believe there was some information that

1824
01:33:21,119 --> 01:33:21,760
went out

1825
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:25,600
in your packet in the friday reading file as well

1826
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:29,680
any questions if you have no questions about the matrix

1827
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:30,640
that brings us to our

1828
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:33,600
final concluding items any concluding items

1829
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:38,319
i have some too yes councilman breaks first

1830
01:33:38,319 --> 01:33:42,479
so um recently i learned someone sent me a picture

1831
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,920
of the i think it was oak street bike lane

1832
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:48,460
the right there's a where it goes straight and then there's

1833
01:33:48,460 --> 01:33:48,960
the bike lane

1834
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:53,680
and there was someone turning right but using the bike lane

1835
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:59,600
and i learned that it is okay to for a vehicle to go into

1836
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:00,479
the bike lane

1837
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:06,210
when there is not a solid white line but a a dash line and

1838
01:34:06,210 --> 01:34:07,439
so

1839
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:10,960
i didn't know that and i'm sure a lot of other people

1840
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:15,039
um bicyclists i don't know may or may not know that

1841
01:34:15,039 --> 01:34:18,399
um but in that conversation the chief weighed in

1842
01:34:18,399 --> 01:34:23,180
and enforcement on enforcement and also on a few other

1843
01:34:23,180 --> 01:34:24,960
things um with bike lanes

1844
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,560
and it made me realize that we need to have a full

1845
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:29,760
discussion and i'd like to

1846
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:34,560
have that here um on protected bike lanes um i would

1847
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:40,649
also i would like to know um like what our plan calls for

1848
01:34:40,649 --> 01:34:41,119
um

1849
01:34:41,119 --> 01:34:44,000
what we do and things that have changed since we've

1850
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,760
implemented it as far as

1851
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:50,659
the engineering of bike lanes and uh what if there's

1852
01:34:50,659 --> 01:34:52,159
anything that uh

1853
01:34:52,159 --> 01:34:59,920
people are doing now that they weren't yes so right here

1854
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,850
even though it's painted green with a big bicycle on it a

1855
01:35:04,850 --> 01:35:06,319
car can still

1856
01:35:06,319 --> 01:35:13,439
drive in there and so correct yeah it's yeah so uh

1857
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:16,800
yes according to federal and state guidelines this

1858
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:18,239
particular area

1859
01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:22,270
that extends about 60 feet to 90 feet depending on the

1860
01:35:22,270 --> 01:35:23,439
speed of speed limit of

1861
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:27,359
the street is actually an area that's called um

1862
01:35:27,359 --> 01:35:31,699
not a conflict area but an area where cars and bicycles

1863
01:35:31,699 --> 01:35:33,279
merge or use the same

1864
01:35:33,279 --> 01:35:37,760
space for maneuvering and the reason this

1865
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:42,640
came about is a lot of the issues arising from bicycle

1866
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:43,600
lanes being on the

1867
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:47,590
right side of the street and cars trying to make a right

1868
01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:47,840
turn

1869
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,439
lane from the shared right through lane uh there was a lot

1870
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:51,680
of

1871
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:55,760
um people were not noticing bicycles that were coming by at

1872
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:56,079
a

1873
01:35:56,079 --> 01:35:59,039
higher rate and making this right turn lane at the last

1874
01:35:59,039 --> 01:35:59,840
minute

1875
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:04,399
so based on the incidences and collisions that happened

1876
01:36:04,399 --> 01:36:11,199
um it was decided and that it was a better idea to

1877
01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:14,189
establish an authority of who actually is using this

1878
01:36:14,189 --> 01:36:16,000
particular space

1879
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:20,000
first on a first come first basis so once a car

1880
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,229
or motorist comes in he can pull into this lane making sure

1881
01:36:23,229 --> 01:36:23,600
that

1882
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,979
he has every space here to make that and if a bicyclist is

1883
01:36:26,979 --> 01:36:28,239
there he has to wait

1884
01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:31,789
his turn to use that space to go straight so that that was

1885
01:36:31,789 --> 01:36:32,720
an area of

1886
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:37,430
um and the reason this is painted green is any area that

1887
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:38,079
there is a

1888
01:36:38,079 --> 01:36:45,680
known conflict zone or known um known use area for both

1889
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,039
types of

1890
01:36:47,039 --> 01:36:50,270
motors as well as bicyclists that's painted green that's a

1891
01:36:50,270 --> 01:36:51,039
similar

1892
01:36:51,039 --> 01:36:56,000
thing happens on the other side uh that chief pointed out

1893
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:56,960
was uh there

1894
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:00,319
is a right turn lane here that this is slightly different

1895
01:37:00,319 --> 01:37:05,590
configuration this is a um assigned or exclusive right turn

1896
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:06,079
lane

1897
01:37:06,079 --> 01:37:10,470
so the conflict area is back here where cars merge in and

1898
01:37:10,470 --> 01:37:11,199
out when

1899
01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:14,399
while bicycles go in there so if you have

1900
01:37:14,399 --> 01:37:17,439
uh an exclusive right turn lane this this is a better

1901
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:19,199
configuration where the

1902
01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:23,039
uh in you know merging and diverging happens

1903
01:37:23,039 --> 01:37:26,920
at earlier than the intersection and everyone knows where

1904
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:27,760
they're going

1905
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:30,640
so that's why this is slightly different than the other

1906
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:38,319
scenario um we're off posting this is my imaginary paper

1907
01:37:38,319 --> 01:37:42,670
so we need to put this on the agenda right this is what i'm

1908
01:37:42,670 --> 01:37:43,039
i would like to

1909
01:37:43,039 --> 01:37:46,000
have that on the uh for a future work session and in that

1910
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:46,239
work

1911
01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:52,000
session if we could have a list of bicycle accidents that

1912
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:52,159
have

1913
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:56,560
occurred in the last year or so as well that

1914
01:37:56,560 --> 01:38:01,359
would be good thank you may i clarify that request when you

1915
01:38:01,359 --> 01:38:03,720
said work session you said work session here at mobility

1916
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:04,239
committee

1917
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:08,960
versus at full council yes sir okay very well thank you

1918
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:15,279
do you have any more councilman um i would like to um in dc

1919
01:38:15,279 --> 01:38:15,680
when we were

1920
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,960
learning about the infrastructure plan there was something

1921
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:19,920
about the funding

1922
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,720
mechanism changing from what is currently

1923
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:26,880
80 percent them 20 percent us to the opposite

1924
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:31,039
uh 20 percent them 80 percent us and so if we could just

1925
01:38:31,039 --> 01:38:31,439
have

1926
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:37,750
an update on what that looks like um for cities and um also

1927
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:38,319
i would like to

1928
01:38:38,319 --> 01:38:42,239
say thank you for the trees uh at 380 i saw that they went

1929
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:42,560
in and

1930
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,760
they look really nice

1931
01:38:46,319 --> 01:38:50,000
council member uh gregory thanks um i saw in the news

1932
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:50,880
recently about the

1933
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:55,359
arlington transit plan uh the largest city not to have

1934
01:38:55,359 --> 01:38:55,680
public

1935
01:38:55,680 --> 01:39:00,079
transportation just like to get a report on how they're

1936
01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:01,199
doing that

1937
01:39:01,199 --> 01:39:04,640
and if there's anything that they're doing that

1938
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:09,050
that might translate to dcta that we could recommend to dct

1939
01:39:09,050 --> 01:39:09,199
a

1940
01:39:09,199 --> 01:39:14,390
uh secondly uh if we could just have on an upcoming agenda

1941
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:16,479
some items about

1942
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:20,319
the freak some from time to time we have

1943
01:39:20,319 --> 01:39:23,520
streets in our downtown area that are fairly narrow where

1944
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:24,319
we've had parking

1945
01:39:24,319 --> 01:39:28,319
conflicts with uh emergency vehicles getting through

1946
01:39:28,319 --> 01:39:31,760
specifically and we've done some corrections on some of

1947
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:32,319
those but

1948
01:39:32,319 --> 01:39:35,760
but there's a continuing question on right lane right

1949
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:40,359
between east prairie and warren uh so need to get that and

1950
01:39:40,359 --> 01:39:41,680
the final thing is

1951
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:45,130
i'd like to hear a report if we're going to do public art

1952
01:39:45,130 --> 01:39:46,640
on the streets

1953
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:51,600
then since denton is music city then i'd like to know about

1954
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:52,239
musical

1955
01:39:52,239 --> 01:39:56,960
roadways you know where you go at a certain speed

1956
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,640
uh so so there's a sign saying travel 20 miles an hour

1957
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:04,479
and as you go on 20 miles an hour there are

1958
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:09,739
um harmonics on the road where they put things across the

1959
01:40:09,739 --> 01:40:10,079
road

1960
01:40:10,079 --> 01:40:13,140
and if you go at 20 miles an hour you can hear america the

1961
01:40:13,140 --> 01:40:14,079
beautiful or

1962
01:40:14,079 --> 01:40:18,619
texas our texas and uh i've been on one of those in albu

1963
01:40:18,619 --> 01:40:20,239
querque new mexico

1964
01:40:20,239 --> 01:40:24,239
and it seems much more appropriate than uh

1965
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:29,300
so so as long as we're going to talk about crazy things let

1966
01:40:29,300 --> 01:40:29,840
's talk about

1967
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:32,079
that one

1968
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:36,640
seriously i think i'd be interested in that

1969
01:40:37,279 --> 01:40:40,399
okay i think that's it with that um we are adjourned at

1970
01:40:40,399 --> 01:40:47,920
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