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going to be out her son is sick so first we'll take up item

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1a consider approval of the mobility

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committee of denton city council meeting minutes january 17

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2018 i move approval as presented in

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the back up since we don't have anybody else to second i

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will second and all in favor passes

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unanimously we're going to go a little bit out of order

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with item d consider the recommendation of a

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resolution of the city council of the city of denton texas

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appointing a member to the board of

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directors of the denton county transportation authority and

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providing an effective date

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are we going to get a presentation for that i can i can

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speak from here madam chair yeah absolutely

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mark so um wanted to let the committee know that uh moving

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forward with this uh proposed

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amendment this is a resolution that would formally appoint

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richard huckabee to or

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reappoint richard huckabee to the denton county

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transportation authority board of directors

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mr huckabee has served as the dent representative since

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late 2011 as stated in the backup the

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appointments are typically for a two-year time frame but

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they they do not necessarily require

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reappointment so we wanted to go ahead and move forward

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with um we had received a notice from

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dcta that his appointment had expired but he was still

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eligible to continue to serve until

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he was reappointed or another individual was reappointed

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richard has um been serving the city

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of denton on this board as i said since 2011 has served on

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a number of different committees

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and is currently serving as the chair of the finance

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committee and as the vice chair of the

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board so uh he's in a great position uh in terms of

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leadership with that board and to serve uh

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both you the council as well as the citizens of uh the city

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of denton so uh with that i would

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stand for any questions but the staff recommendation is to

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uh move forward with

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the reappointment of richard huckabee to the dcta board of

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directors

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i assume that uh you're recommending that because he's

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indicated a willingness to serve

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absolutely yes sir we as as indicated in the backup

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material staff did meet with um

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richard huckabee back in december and he he does have an

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interest to continue to serve the citizens

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of denton and if i may i also assume that this is an action

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that needs to be taken by the entire

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council correct with this um this action today is a

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recommendation for a formal resolution to go to

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council that would formally appoint mr huckabee okay i'm

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ready to make that unless you want to

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okay well i wanted to just carry keely uh councilman brig's

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uh discussion that i had with her about it

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and i think we were in agreement that we'd like to open up

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the nomination process again and see if we

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have interested people who are would like to join the dcta

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board um not to say that we won't be

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nominating mr huckabee in the future but i think um it's

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been six years since we opened it up to

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the public so if there are people that are interested we'd

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like to take a look at those

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applications you know and that's a great point and i failed

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to mention that there is an alter

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uh an alternate member um that uh we have not made contact

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with it's a former council member

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a gentleman by the name of guy mackleroy who's continuing

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to serve in that capacity and so

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that that certainly may be another opportunity uh if

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council wishes to to look into that as well as

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the actual board appointment well i think i have to speak

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for her since she's not here but we were

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both interested in opening it up to the whole council for

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discussion and maybe other people

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on council have suggestions okay and we do uh and i failed

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to introduce mr huckabee he is here with

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us and he's here every week so they are every month so i

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feel like we if uh if you wish i'm

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certain uh he'd be willing to answer any questions you may

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have if you've got any questions uh but he

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can certainly uh stand for question if you and mr huckabee

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if you feel like getting up and saying

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anything please feel free um you'll have to get up to the

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mic though for the meeting i just want

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to give you an opportunity into it okay thanks for asking

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now i'm pleased to serve my community

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i have an interest in it the uh i'm at the position where i

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'm kind of in line to get to be the

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chairman of that board if charles emory ever decides to go

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elsewhere we're on the record by the way

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that's okay i said the same thing to charles emory actually

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dcta owes a lot to our chairman of that

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board uh he's been with it pretty much since the get-go and

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is very involved in

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everything that dcta does but i'm pleased to serve my city

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i've lived here in dentin no longer than

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any place i've lived in my lifetime because i was in a rink

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or so long they just sent me wherever

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they wanted and i always agreed but this uh i understand

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this situation and we're on a growth

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pattern so i'm pleased to continue if that be the will of

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the of the council well can i ask of course

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please feel free so reflect on where you think uh dcta has

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has uh grown and flourished and where

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there may be some work that needs to be done well i there's

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never no work to be done

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right now probably uh on the near horizon i don't know what

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near means in this case

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but the uh dcta seeks a a place where trains can switch

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double tracks in the vicinity of the

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corinth campus of nctc you know the background i was city

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manager in corinth on a previous watch

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and they've the leadership in corinth in those days uh was

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not interested at all in the train

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coming down the track now are stopping there i think you

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know you know all of that yes yeah

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i'm familiar with the history with it seems like like my

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memory is is that their hope was if they

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voted uh not to participate with sales tax that that might

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make it that the train did not happen

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and it wasn't going through making all of that terrible

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noise in their town

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so they so they voted uh against that uh which meant that

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they uh also were voting against having a

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a station or stop well the current uh there is a move

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amongst the new leadership in corinth

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and this would be of interest to the mobility committee and

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to the council

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there's only three member cities you know that that are

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member cities in the sense

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that a portion of your sales tax goes to dcta no other

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members

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contribute in that way actually no other participants on

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the on the board

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and the voting is set up in that in that way too it has to

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be two of the

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participating members plus the board how's that rule go

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when we come to climb we have to go to the microphone

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because we're being broadcast

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jim cline president of dcta the way the voting works is

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that actions by the board are taken by

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a majority of the board that's the the specific rules

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however when we have specifically and

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really important items the budget adding you know when we

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anytime we take a significant action

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there's a whole list in our bylaws that i believe mark i

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shared with you that it requires a actual

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majority of the board not just of those present so it

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requires eight votes eight of those votes

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must be two of the three financially participating member

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cities and the way it really works out is

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that the financially participating member cities have a

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veto this is basically how it works so two

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of the three member cities or financially participating

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cities don't buy the plan then

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the plan doesn't happen and so that's kind of how that

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works and i think it's a good check in the

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system and it seems to work pretty well so okay thank you

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that helps what i'm suggesting to you is

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that all the member cities have been paying their dues

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right since the get-go corinth

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has a desire or it seems to have a desire to open up

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another station

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i don't think my i have a region i'm trying to have a

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regional view that's my job

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but filtered through dentons requirements here's the deal

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corinth would persuade and i think it's a good idea to have

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another station

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and a little piece of property that's kind of close to pan

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el square if you know the area

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that would essentially make corinth a member city for corin

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th to be legitimately a member city they

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would have to pay back the sales taxes they would have paid

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from the very get-go

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that's the only way they could we could have another member

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city

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or they can pay the equivalent and do all the capital costs

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up to that same dollar amount if

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they had been participating from the get-go and then they

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could be on an equal standing with the

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member cities that have been there from the beginning that

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's the dollar equivalent

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it would be in the in the dcta's best interest if that

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happened and it wouldn't violate the trust

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or the investment that the three current member cities have

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done if it doesn't come out that way

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then you can my vote as your representative would be no but

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if it does come out that way and i'll

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tell you this up front if it does come out that way my it

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it would be in the dcta's best interest

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regionally and it wouldn't be a detriment to the city i

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represent i vote yes does that make sense

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what i just said yeah okay well it would seem to me that if

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i may know yeah that

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if if if they pony up the money because they would have

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paid and which in a reasonable way

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that's satisfactory to all parties then then it's a win win

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for everyone because now rather than

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three cities contributing sales tax it's now four cities

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and Corinth since since dcta happened

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has grown and there is more retail in Corinth than there

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used to be so whereas at the beginning it

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was a sign wasn't a significant amount of money but now it

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's become more significant and if they're

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going to get in they probably need to get in quickly before

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the bill gets any higher the entry fee

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so i'm sure that's exactly the way the Corinth

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representative on the dcta feels Tom Witter

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Winterborn and i know they're working diligently at it

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their the leadership in Corinth has

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matured from the old days and we'll see how it works out

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because they're going to they're going

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to put up them if for that for that to get approved by this

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board or to get Denton's vote

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your representative's vote no matter who it may ultimately

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turn out to be that's the informed vote

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are there any other pressing things that are that are

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looking at us in the short term

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i do want to just be sure that we kind of stay on our

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posting because it does say it's about the

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appointment so if it's related to the appointment then okay

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you know well then i guess we're

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we've stitched up our lips to a certain degree can i answer

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any questions for y'all i don't i don't

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have any i think that that was very helpful and it's

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helpful to know your background and to know

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that you're still interested in serving so okay then i'm

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done okay great thank you so i guess

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for next steps we would be having a full discussion with

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council i think i would take it to work at a

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work session yeah sure yes absolutely great free to go okay

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um so then we're going to move back up

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to item b receive a report hold a discussion and provide

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staff direction regarding an ordinance

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authorizing the city manager to execute a professional

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services agreement psa with

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innovative transportation solutions inc for transportation

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services as set forth in the

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contract and providing an effective date which is file 6610

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professional services agreement for

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transportation consultant services to innovative

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transportation solutions inc for a total of 126

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thousand dollars yes ma'am i'm going to actually turn this

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over to assistant city manager mario

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canas arras he's handling the contract from this point

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forward and taking it to to council

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thank you mar members of the committee before you is as

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mentioned in the work excuse me in

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the caption a professional services agreement for its

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innovation transportation solutions

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it has been a consultant for the city since 2002 since 2002

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most recently the contract with it

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expired back in september of last year september seven of

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2017 and so we've been working with the

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five five one month extensions to get us to this point we

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went through an rfq process request for

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qualifications process there was one submittal it's we've

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gone through the process of vetting

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that submittal fortunately the the terms of the contract

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that's that's before you today or the

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agreement today is the same as it was before ten thousand

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five hundred dollars it's sort of it's

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for a two-year contract with three one additional year

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contract extensions so the the funds are

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budgeted within the operating budget of the city so so we

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're covered there from a financial

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perspective but the reason why we bring this for you today

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is ids has been instrumental with the

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city working on the city's behalf be able to leverage local

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dollars with state regional and

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and county dollars to be able to ascertain traffic two

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traffic signals at 2181 we've been able to get

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traffic signals at robinson in 2499 a traffic signal at 380

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and cindy lane also the widening of

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1515 most recently which was a very large project for us is

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the mayhill expansion is that connective

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piece between to be able to get to get the the the above

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grade crossing at the dcta line at mayhill

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so mr pollster and his firm has been very helpful in

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getting those those dollars through the council

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of governments tex dot the county and again as i said

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leveraging those local dollars with state

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local and federal and regional dollars so with that we

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recommend approval of of this contract and

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then if the committee recommends that we move forward then

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we bring that contract to the full

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council on the march 6 2018 council meeting mark do you

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want to add anything to that

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not unless there's any specific questions as it relates to

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project delivery or anything along those

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ones councilmember cragery do you have any questions

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councilmember riggs talked about

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it we didn't talk about it but i'm more than happy to

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continue with mr pollster's contract

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i think it was kind of a given you've become a fixture john

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so what he does for us and what that

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what that contract does for us is provides some continuity

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of representation at the regional

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transportation council because we have term limits we don't

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have that and that puts

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dentin at a very bad disadvantage in terms of of having a

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seat at the table that somebody who

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who's been around and has understood how to work the system

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to to get appropriate funds for

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for the city and so i think that uh it's money well spent

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well and i appreciate that you say

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that and and i know working with mr mr pollster the last

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number of months since i've been here

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and with our city engineer tides to see has a really good

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rapport with staff and so

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it's been a pleasure working with him so well i'd like to

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echo both of those sentiments and i think

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if i hear i thought i heard a motion to go ahead and

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recommend it to the full council

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that's what i'm move okay and i'll second and all in favor

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aye i have a unanimous recommendation to

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send it off to the full council for approval of the

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contract thank you very much thanks mr pollster

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okay item c is receive a report hold a discussion and

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provide direction regarding texas department

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of transportation on system projects in the dentin area to

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include the 35 express project

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so speaking of some of those services that ids provides we

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have john pollster with us

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this morning and have him walk through each of these

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projects i will let you know that we've

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added another project which is the 35w project which is

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essentially from fort worth just at the

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820 location up to the 35 split here in denton and we'll

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walk through that we just this past

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week last week we actually hosted one of the planning

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meetings here with the city here at

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city hall so with without further ado i'll have john poll

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ster walk through this report great

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yes

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so you can just scroll can you do it full screen go to full

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screen the pages

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yeah if you could zoom in that would probably be helpful

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too just roll it down this way yes sir

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okay thank you uh the first project we'll go over is the 21

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81 north south project we have a bi-weekly

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meeting with city staff tex dot and the county to go over

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several projects this is one of those

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projects the project was awarded to mcm they are still they

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're saying a construction completion

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date of january 2020 we're still arguing over some of the

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number of days in that contract to make

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sure that they stay committed to the schedule they bid on

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because this is an a plus b contract

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and that means anytime they get past the scheduled contract

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those days are worth a dollar amount

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that have to be paid and they have to pay it back if they

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don't make the schedule so

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we're currently in the process of beginning the most of the

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drainage improvements along the northern

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part of the project we've got a couple of areas where we've

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got some minor utility impacts related

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to a couple of signal poles and then we're working through

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a change order a potential for the city of

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dentons improvements to their line and we've met with staff

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and with tech stock to resolve that

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issue and we feel confident we'll get that resolved in a

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timely manner to everybody's liking

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so 2181 still kind of in its early phases of construction

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it's doing a lot of clearing and

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drainage and utility work right now four-wheel drive i've

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got good news

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we had a come to jesus meeting with union pacific a couple

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of weeks ago they had made the mistake of

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saying they weren't going to meet our schedule so we sicked

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a lot of people on them and now they

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have said they'll meet it and not only that but they're we

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submitted their final submission for

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their exhibit a on february 16th and they indicated during

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that conference call that their comments

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were minor and that when they submitted it back shortly

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that they would submit it back as a final

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approval even if there are still some comments left

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outstanding they will give us final approval

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with comments which is all tech stock needs to be able to

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go ahead and make that certification in may

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for it to be ready to let for july let in 2018 so we have

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gotten over the last hurdle on this project

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to get it to let in july so because of that we know it's it

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's a this is basically a railroad job

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a driveway job and a little bit of a road job so the city

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spent a lot of time prior to this point

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to coordinate with a lot of the businesses along that

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corridor because a lot of their

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driveways are going to be narrowed or or moved the city

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staff thinks it's important that we go out

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prior to contractor mobilizing but after they're awarded

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sometime after july when we know how many

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days they're going to be out there within the barricading

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is and all that and go back out and

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have a joint text dot city of uh denton kind of a public

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open house on the project just to

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inform the residents in those areas of what's coming and

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why just so that they're not caught

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flat-footed on that project and this is you'll see where we

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've got most of the utilities clear on

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this project and the ones that aren't are either in the

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plans as in the city of denton or they are

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not impacting the construction of the project so four-wheel

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drive should let in july and that's a

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big project for the city john yes ma'am when do you think

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the public meeting might be

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sometime after july probably before september i'll just ask

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that somebody reach out to john ryan

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since he's the rep for that area absolutely thank you

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and then you've got 2499 section 5 which is essentially

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open except with that little

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jog at robinson the the materials have been received and

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the contractor has been scheduled

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to go install that uh signal in mid-march and there's just

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a kind of a lot of signals that

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that contractor is working on and this was as soon as they

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could get out there to get it done but

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the road essentially is open north of there and south of

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there and everybody that's getting to

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use it as best they can love it so by march we should have

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that signal installed and operational

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any questions on that okay that's basically what in the

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rest of the project we're doing the sod

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a lot of the punch list items so there are still continuing

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work by weber on the corridor but it's

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mostly just punch list items and what bazilson refers to is

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farming the landscaping so your i-35

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e mayhill improvements uh we have met with the district we

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are starting to uh populate the

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the schedule on this project we are anticipating right now

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we have asterisks there for uh no ride

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away no utilities because we feel like we know what's in

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the corridor and so we are

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just simply putting in a date for construction ready to let

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because of the design and we have we

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met in january to talk about the project we determined in

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may 2021 uh is a contingent on

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if there is right away if we find out there isn't any right

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away since this project has funding on

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it already we can move that date closer to the actual time

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for the design so what tech stock does

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for whatever reason now is they will give you even though

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we're showing asterisks for right away in

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utility they're plugging in time for that because they have

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they have to commit to a let date and

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they can move it up easier than they can move it out so

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even though we're showing asterisks they

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instead they wanted to include some time in the schedule

00:27:00.500 --> 00:27:02.480
for those so if we get to that

00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:04.869
phase of the project and they're the right away is not

00:27:04.869 --> 00:27:07.359
needing the utilities are minimal we can move

00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:11.720
the date up on the project that's essentially what that

00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:14.319
wording says there and this is the

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ultimate improvements for mayhill under 35 so we'll have

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the the total number of lanes in the texas

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u-turns the bridge itself for 35 ultimately will be widened

00:27:26.569 --> 00:27:29.279
but the underpass will be the proper width

00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.250
for the ultimate configuration of mayhill now and in the

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future

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so now we're on the loop 20 brinker mayhill project you saw

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that on february 9th

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i'll just roll to the text art report on february 9th the

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traffic was switched over to

00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.809
the new southbound frontage road they are currently in the

00:27:52.809 --> 00:27:53.680
process of

00:27:55.519 --> 00:28:00.279
redoing the old frontage road and making some drainage

00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:02.559
improvements so that they can put the

00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:07.750
southbound main lanes over on those old southbound frontage

00:28:07.750 --> 00:28:10.000
roads then they'll a month that'll happen

00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:12.650
sometime in march and then after that a couple months later

00:28:12.650 --> 00:28:15.039
they'll move the northbound main

00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:19.099
lanes to the old southbound main lanes at that point they

00:28:19.099 --> 00:28:21.440
'll come in and pull out all of the

00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:26.589
pavement for the northbound main lanes because that's the

00:28:26.589 --> 00:28:28.000
part where they're going to start

00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.309
building the bridge structure up and then they'll

00:28:30.309 --> 00:28:34.000
eventually put the the northbound main lanes back

00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:37.160
up on the new bridge and then pull out the southbound main

00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:39.519
lanes build that structure move them up on

00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:43.599
the bridge structure so this will start in march you'll see

00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:46.079
it and it'll go all the way through

00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:48.160
the end of this year to december

00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:58.019
good times and this one is 35 north it's a pretty old place

00:28:58.019 --> 00:29:00.640
holder we have our ve done

00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:03.700
well it's got two out of three signatures we've got our 90

00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:05.119
schematics were submitted

00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:11.369
and on the second and once we get to this point we will

00:29:11.369 --> 00:29:15.839
start to work with text dot on finding

00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:22.000
a funding source from the category 12 of

00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:26.309
funding just commission discretionary funding for this

00:29:26.309 --> 00:29:28.240
project because they are interested in

00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:34.099
getting again 35 throughout the state of texas to six lanes

00:29:34.099 --> 00:29:36.720
so this is basically a faith-based

00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:39.170
engineering we're doing all the design work without knowing

00:29:39.170 --> 00:29:40.799
exactly where the money's coming from

00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:49.039
so this is 35 w we also have an item on rtc that affects

00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:51.039
just south of here in tarrant county that

00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:53.759
we'll go over as well but we added this project because

00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:55.680
obviously it impacts city of denton

00:29:55.680 --> 00:30:02.170
on its western side we had a a on on february 15th city

00:30:02.170 --> 00:30:06.960
staff met with text dot and dcta to go over

00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:13.980
the items associated with 35 w and we have a white paper

00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:18.000
that we can hand out if you don't have it i

00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:21.960
think mark has it that goes over what's going on so

00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:26.960
essentially in the last mobility plan there was

00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.390
a pushback on managed lanes as you all seen which we'll get

00:30:30.390 --> 00:30:33.119
into a little bit further on our last

00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:40.299
agenda item and so at the time the county submitted 35 w as

00:30:40.299 --> 00:30:44.480
a non-managed lane cross-section

00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:50.039
but it's a rural we're proposing a rural cross-section in

00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:54.240
this corridor because it allows us in the future

00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:58.559
if we so choose to add managed lanes we'll have the right

00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:02.480
of way to do it so uh it's uh

00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:07.769
what is it a goose and a gander i mean it's so we're going

00:31:07.769 --> 00:31:10.880
to be building three six lanes in

00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.309
some portion of it and four in the other but it'll be a

00:31:13.309 --> 00:31:15.200
rural section so you'll have a lot of

00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.789
open space in the medians and on the parkways so that in

00:31:18.789 --> 00:31:22.160
the future once managed lanes come back

00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.180
into vogue we'll have the ability to include them into the

00:31:25.180 --> 00:31:26.799
project this is a little over

00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:33.400
it's it's right now it's about 500 million but i'm betting

00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:35.279
by the time we get to it

00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:40.160
it'll be closer to a billion dollars which we're working on

00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.799
getting parts of this project built if

00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:46.170
you've been south lately just as you come into the city of

00:31:46.170 --> 00:31:48.319
fort worth part of that in denton county

00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:51.269
you'll see the southbound and the northbound frontage roads

00:31:51.269 --> 00:31:53.279
being constructed we are working

00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.980
with texas right now to build the next phase of of uh front

00:31:56.980 --> 00:32:01.440
age roads from about 1171 north to 2449

00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:05.339
or the future loop 288 uh as well so what we're trying to

00:32:05.339 --> 00:32:07.519
do is just build frontage roads wherever

00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:11.000
there's development occurring in their permanent location

00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.039
and then at some point in the future

00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:20.759
we'll come back and add in main lanes okay good news here

00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:25.759
too um we're calling this the keely

00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:28.890
bricks project she brought this to our attention uh for

00:32:28.890 --> 00:32:32.960
concerns on making that right turn movement

00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:37.680
from 288 to 380 uh tina massey let us know the other day

00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.880
that they have a concrete contract that

00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:45.480
they uh have approved for their uh for dent county and that

00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:48.480
this segment of roadway has been included

00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:52.069
in that contract and they anticipate the improvements to

00:32:52.069 --> 00:32:54.799
begin sometime in may of this year and so

00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:59.849
essentially as you're exiting off of 288 to come to 380

00:32:59.849 --> 00:33:02.799
from that you'll see where the concrete stops

00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.819
and it kind of has a cut point from that cut point all the

00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:08.559
way into the intersection of 38 and 288

00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:12.529
is the scope of that project to add additional lane and to

00:33:12.529 --> 00:33:14.640
restripe it to provide additional right

00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:20.240
turn um capacity for those folks going east on 380 you know

00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:23.039
you were mentioning a while back that

00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.750
we had to have a lane to go straight through even though

00:33:27.750 --> 00:33:32.559
nobody would and i was on um interstate

00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:38.549
or highway 75 at the intersection of 75 and eldorado in mck

00:33:38.549 --> 00:33:43.680
inney and if you get off of 75

00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:48.730
to turn on eldorado you have to turn right or you have to

00:33:48.730 --> 00:33:51.680
turn left you can't even go straight

00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:55.200
through even though there is a road on the other side and

00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:57.359
now it was when i got out there i said

00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:01.059
wait a minute holsters told me they can't do this you're

00:34:01.059 --> 00:34:03.519
saying that you found out the consultant

00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:07.609
was wrong but it was it was it was confusing a little bit

00:34:07.609 --> 00:34:10.400
because it was like oh wow there's a

00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:12.900
lot of lanes going this direction there were a lot of lanes

00:34:12.900 --> 00:34:14.800
going that direction so they had all those

00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:18.320
dots out in the road and i was trying to figure which dots

00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.639
were mine right to follow a lane through

00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.369
there so we'll take a look at that because we're always

00:34:23.369 --> 00:34:26.239
looking for precedents on issues um and

00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:28.349
get back with texthot on that and see what their thoughts

00:34:28.349 --> 00:34:29.840
are i don't know if that would really

00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:33.889
help here or not yeah i don't know i mean uh i would say we

00:34:33.889 --> 00:34:36.480
'll consider everything you know

00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.449
just see what happens i don't see a negative to looking at

00:34:39.449 --> 00:34:40.159
it you better

00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:45.760
so that's 75 at eldorado in mckinney yes sir

00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:52.539
all right so your 380e's project this project is being done

00:34:52.539 --> 00:34:54.639
by texthot it's fully funded

00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:58.960
to the tune of a little over 130 million bucks the segment

00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.559
in green is being uh designed in-house

00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:06.610
by texthot and the section in blue is being done by two

00:35:06.610 --> 00:35:09.440
firms and those projects have your

00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:14.840
estimated completion of the 30 percent sometime in the

00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:16.880
summer time frame and this also in the

00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:20.780
green segment is the segment where the city has that uh 10

00:35:20.780 --> 00:35:24.159
foot path or trail that uh your bikes

00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:28.230
are got funded as part of this project and so it'll be

00:35:28.230 --> 00:35:31.920
included in this project and cog was

00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.849
his pain the majority of it so this project's got a ready

00:35:35.849 --> 00:35:38.480
all that date of may of 2021

00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:43.829
it has a 89 parcels to acquire 50 something of them are in

00:35:43.829 --> 00:35:45.280
the blue segment

00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:50.769
so they are putting a pretty long time frame on on that if

00:35:50.769 --> 00:35:53.519
it ends up being less then we can

00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:56.889
always move the project up because it is fully funded at

00:35:56.889 --> 00:35:58.960
this time a question on that is there

00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:03.760
any uh is there going to be any widening of the road or of

00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:06.719
that causeway or whatever they call it

00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:10.150
where there's dirt uh going across part of that lake bottom

00:36:10.150 --> 00:36:12.159
there's a couple of bridges to let

00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:15.300
water flow through uh but is there going to be any more

00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:17.679
dirt work that they have to do to make that

00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.349
wider in that section over the lake bottom so i do know

00:36:20.349 --> 00:36:22.480
that the intent on this project is to stay

00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:26.550
with an existing right away so i'm not sure what the

00:36:26.550 --> 00:36:29.440
drainage impacts will be but if i can get a

00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:31.820
better idea exactly what you're talking about we can get

00:36:31.820 --> 00:36:33.519
that we can look at the schematic and see

00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:37.909
what it calls for it's between rock hill road and uh i

00:36:37.909 --> 00:36:41.360
think old trinity road is that back to the

00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:44.329
towards denton rock hill back towards dent alright i kind

00:36:44.329 --> 00:36:46.239
of know where that is this is right before

00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:51.239
377 north there's a turn off to the greenbelt parking lot

00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:53.039
yes sir down there and what they

00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:56.010
did when they when they widened that out they went up into

00:36:56.010 --> 00:36:58.559
the floodplain and got permission

00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:02.039
from the corps of engineers and they took a bunch of dirt

00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:04.079
from up in there what they did was they

00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:09.139
created a bunch of pods so i think what that ends up being

00:37:09.139 --> 00:37:12.480
is they have to mitigate for the loss of

00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:16.840
storage by going in and creating storage elsewhere right

00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.920
and and it worked well in terms of a wildlife

00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:24.969
habitat and a refuge when when the lake goes down there's

00:37:24.969 --> 00:37:28.800
there's places for for wildlife to serve

00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.449
yeah that's part of the deal i mean uh i remember back in

00:37:31.449 --> 00:37:34.000
my other life getting a call from buzz

00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:37.429
elson telling me that he needed me to get congressman arnie

00:37:37.429 --> 00:37:39.199
's help because the u.s army

00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:42.019
corps of engineers were bringing out the u.s marshals to

00:37:42.019 --> 00:37:43.440
stop his contractor on this part

00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:46.570
of the project because they were violating their uh

00:37:46.570 --> 00:37:48.880
mitigation plan he was afraid he was going to

00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:51.340
get arrested so i think our relationships have gotten

00:37:51.340 --> 00:37:53.199
better with the corps but yeah that's the

00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:56.739
intent is as we come through a sensitive area in the green

00:37:56.739 --> 00:37:59.039
area that there is mitigation issues

00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:02.409
that are associated with it and it's usually like seven to

00:38:02.409 --> 00:38:05.039
one so if you impact anything you have to

00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.570
mitigate seven to one somewhere else so yes sir i'm

00:38:08.570 --> 00:38:11.599
confident that will be part of the process

00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:16.769
okay loop 288 west we have uh chang patel on contract doing

00:38:16.769 --> 00:38:18.480
the ea and schematic

00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:23.889
at the bottom of the report you'll see that um textod has

00:38:23.889 --> 00:38:27.760
agreed to pick up chain patel to do the

00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:32.039
actual design of the project and our first phase is a one

00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.559
of the two frontage roads this is a

00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.820
remember it's a controlled access facility with main lanes

00:38:37.820 --> 00:38:39.920
and frontage roads the first phase is

00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.949
going to be one of the frontage roads and so once the

00:38:43.949 --> 00:38:48.000
mobility 2045 plan is adopted i think in

00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:51.480
june mayor june chain patel will be turned loose at that

00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.920
point i want to come back in here to sit

00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:57.519
with you guys because it's most of this impacts y'all and

00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.000
so we need to know which frontage road

00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:03.099
you want us to start with because it absolutely doesn't

00:39:03.099 --> 00:39:05.199
matter which frontage road we use i would

00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:08.389
think it'd be the northbound since all your development is

00:39:08.389 --> 00:39:09.760
is inside of the loop but

00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.760
i'm not an engineer so don't listen when i say

00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.719
councilman i would envision bringing you know with with

00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:22.880
your direction of course bringing that back

00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.530
to the mobility committee to workshop and then bringing it

00:39:25.530 --> 00:39:28.239
forward to council um you know after

00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:33.230
that i think i think council needs to be more aware of this

00:39:33.230 --> 00:39:35.840
and the alignment here than than

00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.260
most of the council members are i think it's a little fuzzy

00:39:39.260 --> 00:39:42.880
for them and again with the expert

00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.719
of the mobility committee i haven't understand a lot of the

00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:50.880
stuff you help us uh create um better

00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.719
better optics as we move it forward with with council in

00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:55.519
terms of what you would like to see

00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:57.829
and how'd you like to see that information presented

00:39:57.829 --> 00:40:00.000
because we have a pdf of the schematics i mean we

00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.139
can we've uh we've kept the picture uh purposefully vague

00:40:05.139 --> 00:40:09.679
because we didn't have the the traffic

00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:13.059
from cog till just recently and so we couldn't justify any

00:40:13.059 --> 00:40:14.400
of our ramp locations

00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.050
from a traffic standpoint and so we didn't want to get

00:40:17.050 --> 00:40:19.280
those out into the public and then somebody

00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.829
say hey i lost my access point when right we had to change

00:40:22.829 --> 00:40:25.119
it so we've kept it purposely vague to

00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:29.630
this point i think todd had something so one of the things

00:40:29.630 --> 00:40:32.400
that we are working on this year is we

00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.960
are going through a master thoroughfare planning process

00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:38.159
and this is a key area for us as development

00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:41.289
continues out there knowing that the loop is coming along

00:40:41.289 --> 00:40:43.519
the west side where those ramp locations

00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:48.579
will be ties into the uh for the actual frontage roads as

00:40:48.579 --> 00:40:51.599
well so we are engaged in looking at this

00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:54.570
area this year and then come back with where we see future

00:40:54.570 --> 00:40:56.480
expansion of the roadways and the mesh

00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:00.210
thoroughfare network so you'll see in the schedule there

00:41:00.210 --> 00:41:02.800
that they're improving the schematic they're

00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:06.170
anticipating having this schematic approved by december of

00:41:06.170 --> 00:41:08.079
this year which is the schematic is

00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:10.920
for both the frontage roads and the main lanes great separ

00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.800
ations over the railroad and 380 so and

00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.960
in other locations but you'll see that there's a two-year

00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.960
jump between 18 and 20 on the environmental

00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:25.480
approval that's because the 2045 mobility plan hasn't been

00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:27.920
adopted yet and once it's adopted loop

00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:31.550
288 is in and we can move that because it's not going to

00:41:31.550 --> 00:41:33.679
take you two years to clear a project

00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:38.420
that's been on the books for 20 plus years we just already

00:41:38.420 --> 00:41:41.920
know the uh the environmental

00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.340
critical path items on this project so i'm betting that

00:41:46.340 --> 00:41:49.039
within a year after the schematic is approved

00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.969
we can have an environmental clear so by 2019 which means

00:41:52.969 --> 00:41:55.039
that everything else can start sooner

00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:58.409
so this schedule is based on the fact that it's not in the

00:41:58.409 --> 00:42:01.119
mobility plan it will be by the end of

00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:12.809
this summer okay FM 1515 we got the LTRN contract right at

00:42:12.809 --> 00:42:18.239
the beginning of 2018 they are pulling

00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:21.380
together their subs we had some conversation because tex

00:42:21.380 --> 00:42:24.800
dot is uh keeping some aspects of

00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:28.960
the project in house most notably the right-of-way mapping

00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:31.199
and so we had to do some negotiations on

00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:36.920
that and we are starting the survey and the sue work and

00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:43.519
and LTRA has been informed that their

00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:47.969
main stakeholder is the city and we're working with the

00:42:47.969 --> 00:42:49.440
city they're working with the city to

00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.119
make sure that through the city we get input from all of

00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.159
the development all on that corridor to

00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:57.530
make sure that we're doing the project consistent with what

00:42:57.530 --> 00:42:59.840
everybody wants and including the tie-in

00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:03.659
at body braid we haven't given them notice to proceed yet

00:43:03.659 --> 00:43:05.920
there are some scope issues we have

00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:09.480
to clarify on the cost but once we get that we'll turn them

00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:12.159
loose and the first door they should be

00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.260
knocking on is the cities to come in and talk about all

00:43:15.260 --> 00:43:17.760
your critical hot points on this project

00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:27.670
will there be any as they do that there are a couple of

00:43:27.670 --> 00:43:31.840
pretty severe curves in that road are

00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:36.750
those going to be made less severe or are we pretty limited

00:43:36.750 --> 00:43:39.920
by the right i think that they are going

00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:44.059
to be improved we haven't necessarily established the

00:43:44.059 --> 00:43:47.360
design speed criteria on it which dictates

00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:50.920
what you can and can't do i would assume it'd be somewhere

00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:55.039
between 40 and 45 miles design speed

00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:59.139
although i'm not an engineer todd may have a have a better

00:43:59.139 --> 00:44:02.320
opinion well this roadway also ties into

00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:06.030
that master thoroughfare plan that we're looking at is

00:44:06.030 --> 00:44:08.800
there's a need to tie this into the south

00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:12.699
so we take 1515 ultimately we would want to take an arter

00:44:12.699 --> 00:44:15.760
ial south all the way down to 2449 and

00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.130
vintage which would relieve some of that truck traffic and

00:44:19.130 --> 00:44:21.280
get it out to 35w faster or they could

00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.650
go north gives multiple options so the necessity to really

00:44:24.650 --> 00:44:27.280
put a high speed connection in 1515

00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:31.139
which would be a we would really shallow those curves up a

00:44:31.139 --> 00:44:33.119
little bit is less and there's some

00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:36.489
significant right away constraints plus you've got some

00:44:36.489 --> 00:44:39.039
floodplain and jurisdictional issues in that

00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:41.880
area so knowing all those things are coming online it's

00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.480
probably not going to straighten out too much

00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:46.750
okay i'm going to be pretty limited but there are some

00:44:46.750 --> 00:44:48.400
alternatives to relieve that issue

00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:51.739
and so what the dance will be is the text that has certain

00:44:51.739 --> 00:44:53.760
design criteria they're going to want to

00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:57.349
meet if it stays on system if the city decides once it's

00:44:57.349 --> 00:44:59.679
constructed as a six lane divided

00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:04.030
urban arterial they want to take it off system then they

00:45:04.030 --> 00:45:06.400
can have some design waivers

00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.869
through the process that the state's more amenable to

00:45:09.869 --> 00:45:12.719
knowing that ultimately it'll come off system but

00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:17.349
that's a conversation for a later date and we're in this

00:45:17.349 --> 00:45:20.400
process do we talk with i mean

00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:24.480
there are a bunch of distribution centers out there

00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:26.559
absolutely and that's and that's just crucial for

00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:29.929
them when do we talk with the all of those stakeholders in

00:45:29.929 --> 00:45:32.480
that in that area that that depend on

00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:37.099
1515 so typically as we go through this design process we

00:45:37.099 --> 00:45:39.599
would go to them at multiple points

00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:43.079
i would foresee as we go through this project it'd be a

00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:45.760
collaborative effort between tax dot and the

00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.260
city and since it's not that i-35 billion dollar kind of

00:45:49.260 --> 00:45:51.280
expansion i would anticipate the

00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:54.400
communication aspect to be more on the city than it really

00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.400
will be the state with that

00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:59.860
being the case we would go early in the process once we

00:45:59.860 --> 00:46:02.239
kind of know what that schematic looks

00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:04.889
like for the area we've hammered out some of the details we

00:46:04.889 --> 00:46:06.480
can at least talk to the businesses

00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:09.699
conceptually get an idea of what that looks like to them

00:46:09.699 --> 00:46:11.840
the concerns they might have and the way

00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:15.659
their operations might be impacted both after the project

00:46:15.659 --> 00:46:17.920
and during construction which would then

00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:22.019
give the design consultant better information to complete

00:46:22.019 --> 00:46:24.639
the design it'd be an ongoing process

00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:29.840
early and often i think is the right words right

00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.940
and then this is a reconstruction job that we that we've

00:46:35.940 --> 00:46:39.760
got on it's going to be closing out

00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:43.849
sometime in august of this year this is basically just a a

00:46:43.849 --> 00:46:46.159
resurfacing of 1830

00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:49.320
but this you know during the at the southern part of the

00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:51.679
city in this area and it's mostly just a

00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.800
bridge replacement project with some overlay work

00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:57.360
throughout this corridor now we'll probably

00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:01.550
replace this one with tex dot coming in and they are

00:47:01.550 --> 00:47:06.320
already doing uh i would kind of feasibility

00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:11.599
or conceptual planning on widening 1830 to four lanes there

00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:13.840
's some discussion as to four lane

00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.579
divided four lane undivided if it's divided is it going to

00:47:16.579 --> 00:47:18.320
be a flush median is it going to be a

00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:20.789
mountable median is there going to be a raised median

00:47:20.789 --> 00:47:23.280
because a lot of part of 1830 operates in

00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:28.559
a very rural manner and what tex dot is coming to the

00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.639
realization or conclusion on is that when

00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.349
you have a four lane divided facility in most areas what

00:47:36.349 --> 00:47:39.440
benefits you get from a safety standpoint

00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:41.789
of a raised median it gets offset by the fact that you have

00:47:41.789 --> 00:47:43.440
large vehicles with trailers that can't

00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:46.909
make turns and so they have to make u-turns and they can't

00:47:46.909 --> 00:47:50.239
make the u-turn and so there's some

00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.909
conversation that they're having internally but once that

00:47:53.909 --> 00:47:55.679
project comes fully online

00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:58.929
because the state's doing the project then we'll bring the

00:47:58.929 --> 00:48:00.800
reports back and then we'll work with

00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:04.619
the city because obviously y'all have a say in what y'all

00:48:04.619 --> 00:48:07.599
think 1830 needs to look like i would

00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:11.010
say closer you get to to the northern part of that project

00:48:11.010 --> 00:48:13.599
the more raised and limited those turn lanes

00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.969
are going to be for the south to get the less limited but

00:48:16.969 --> 00:48:19.840
that's just a guess on my part and

00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:23.260
i believe for this item that is it unless you have any

00:48:23.260 --> 00:48:29.679
questions a couple of things you said at the

00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.030
end we were going to talk about managed lanes a little bit

00:48:32.030 --> 00:48:33.760
more it's the last item on your agenda

00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:38.940
for rtc okay all right nothing okay then so do i sit down

00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:42.639
are you doing the rtc presentation i can

00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:44.980
do that from over there right there's no handout yes you

00:48:44.980 --> 00:48:49.360
can thanks for understanding i don't like

00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:53.179
doing this uh thanks for the presentation and then we'll

00:48:53.179 --> 00:48:55.920
move to item e which is receive a report

00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.760
hold a discussion and provide direction regarding regional

00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:00.719
transportation council monthly reports

00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:04.090
and actions and that's going to be mr polster again accept

00:49:04.090 --> 00:49:05.119
seated this time

00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:12.230
okay so you should have in your packet the basically the

00:49:12.230 --> 00:49:13.760
agenda from the regional

00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.960
transportation council meeting on february or january 11th

00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:20.719
the i mean uh that was february 8th

00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:24.159
so on item five it's the uh says follow up on texas

00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:26.960
transportation commission meeting

00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:32.159
the commission in january 24th the highway commission

00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:33.840
communicated to

00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:39.199
uh regional transportation council that they did not want

00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:42.239
to move forward on 635 east

00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:47.119
because there was a billion dollar shortfall and the rtc

00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:50.559
members and mr morris's staff tried to

00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.989
allay that concern but you know i guess if you're a billion

00:49:53.989 --> 00:49:56.079
dollars short it's kind of hard to get

00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:00.349
past the math on that the reason we were even there in jan

00:50:00.349 --> 00:50:03.920
uary is because in december of 2017

00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:10.280
the commission pulled uh 635 35 w project in houston in a

00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:13.440
project in austin completely out

00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.090
of the plan uh the 10-year unified transportation plan

00:50:16.090 --> 00:50:19.440
which means you can't spend any money on it

00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:23.809
because it's not in the plan uh which set a lot of people

00:50:23.809 --> 00:50:26.800
off and the reason they did that was

00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:31.130
because all those projects had a told component uh

00:50:31.130 --> 00:50:35.280
referenced as a told managed lane and the

00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:38.119
governor and the lieutenant governor communicated to the

00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:39.760
highway commission in in december

00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:44.480
november december of last year that they did not want any

00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.280
projects moving forward that had a toll

00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:51.829
component or as a toll road and so they were conflagrating

00:50:51.829 --> 00:50:54.960
the conflagrating toll roads and

00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:58.070
toll managed lanes is the same item and they are completely

00:50:58.070 --> 00:51:02.000
different and so it put hold a hold on

00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:06.969
35 w coming out of tarrant county and it put a hold on 635

00:51:06.969 --> 00:51:09.679
why why are those two projects important

00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:13.820
to denton county in general and didn't first of all 35 w

00:51:13.820 --> 00:51:16.079
ties into the project that we were

00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:19.900
talking about a moment ago where we're it's bringing uh 35

00:51:19.900 --> 00:51:21.599
w into denton county proper

00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:26.170
at its southwest quadrant so anything that impacts that

00:51:26.170 --> 00:51:28.639
impacts that development as it

00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:32.760
continues north 635 east is more important to denton county

00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:34.880
and the residents of denton county

00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:39.130
and cities is because denton is in the eastern sub region

00:51:39.130 --> 00:51:41.280
of the of texas and we're in the dallas

00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:46.880
district and that's where 635 east is and until 635 east is

00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:50.000
resolved from a financial standpoint

00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.630
they're not moving forward on anything in the region right

00:51:54.630 --> 00:51:57.360
now and if you short on projects

00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.329
like at some point we're going to need money for 288 etc

00:52:00.329 --> 00:52:02.559
they're not even going to consider

00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:05.530
assisting you on that until they come up with this short

00:52:05.530 --> 00:52:10.320
fall funding so at the january i mean

00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:15.110
the february 8th rtc meeting they passed out a draft

00:52:15.110 --> 00:52:19.599
proposal to cover this shortfall and it

00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:25.369
required the region they used the word uh collateral they

00:52:25.369 --> 00:52:27.840
were going to use three projects

00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:32.559
as collateral for the uh 653 million dollars or short on

00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:35.760
this project one of those projects is i

00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:43.329
35e from 635 to the dallas denton collin county line excuse

00:52:43.329 --> 00:52:47.119
me collateral does that mean we're

00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:50.940
putting it up as a first lien to a bank or something

00:52:50.940 --> 00:52:54.320
essentially okay so we're putting up

00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:56.960
no no i wasn't there i was at the municipal law conference

00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:03.099
okay first the project's short including the toll component

00:53:03.099 --> 00:53:05.440
excellent question so the reason

00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:08.960
the project is short is because the commission said we'll

00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:11.519
let you move forward on 635 but you

00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:15.599
have to pull the told component the toll component shot a

00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:18.880
hole about 770 million dollars in a

00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:24.019
financing mechanism so that puts us 770 something million

00:53:24.019 --> 00:53:26.559
dollars in the hole if we want to move

00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:32.039
forward on all of of 635 from 75 all the way around to 30

00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:34.239
which is the next segment that needs to be

00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:38.230
constructed so when they pulled out the toll manage lanes

00:53:38.230 --> 00:53:41.119
it put a hole in the funding and so

00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:47.130
the certain senators around here that are adamant about no

00:53:47.130 --> 00:53:50.400
tolls say well you just got the wrong

00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:54.260
projects you're you're building lesser important projects

00:53:54.260 --> 00:53:56.800
and and you need to just move those

00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:01.630
monies to to 635 east so the three projects so what the rtc

00:54:01.630 --> 00:54:04.239
proposed which they didn't pass

00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:08.900
was to basically do a reverse near neighbor near time frame

00:54:08.900 --> 00:54:12.559
right so if 635 east needs money

00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:16.119
it needs to come from projects that are in and around that

00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:18.639
project or that are beat or in

00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:21.349
certain senatorial districts that are pushing for it okay

00:54:21.349 --> 00:54:24.480
so two of the projects are in center hall's

00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:29.869
district in their near near neighbor 80 and i-30 they're in

00:54:29.869 --> 00:54:34.079
diracqua county the 630 i mean i-35e

00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.900
project is in another senator's district that's pushing

00:54:37.900 --> 00:54:41.039
those issues and so that totals 653 million

00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:43.929
dollars and yes when that says collateral they're saying

00:54:43.929 --> 00:54:46.320
that if they can't find a way to make up

00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:50.599
additional funds on this project through either savings on

00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:53.760
the project of being allowed to procure

00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:57.139
it as a as a some type of design bill where the developer

00:54:57.139 --> 00:54:59.760
can come in and propose certain alternatives

00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:03.639
or they get additional money from the commission then those

00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:06.880
three projects their money that's in

00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:11.320
the 10-year plan would be moved to 635 which means that in

00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:16.079
the 10 years from 2016 to 2025 or whatever

00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:19.449
that 10-year period is there's no money for those projects

00:55:19.449 --> 00:55:22.320
in the in the 10-year plan so collateral

00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:25.260
means that yeah if we need it we're taking it if we take it

00:55:25.260 --> 00:55:27.679
it's out of the 10-year plan it's not

00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:34.170
funded anymore i have a question 635 so the i-35 east

00:55:34.170 --> 00:55:36.960
portion of it isn't that toll managed as well

00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:43.309
the the segment that all 35e is told from has a toll

00:55:43.309 --> 00:55:46.079
managed lane from basically the lake to 635

00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:48.840
right so when you're talking about leverage you're not

00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:50.639
talking about the toll revenues you're

00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:54.010
talking about project improvement funds capital funds i'm

00:55:54.010 --> 00:55:55.599
not sure i understand the questions

00:55:55.599 --> 00:56:00.739
that the money that was on 635 the 770 million dollars that

00:56:00.739 --> 00:56:03.199
came out of the program because you

00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:06.170
pulled the toll man's lanes what they do is they take that

00:56:06.170 --> 00:56:08.320
revenue stream similar what we did on

00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:12.010
35e and remember we only have two reversibles this will

00:56:12.010 --> 00:56:13.599
have four two concurrence in each

00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:16.440
direction we were able to take that revenue stream and

00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:18.719
leverage it for a 385 million dollar

00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:23.340
civil i mean tiffy alone which allowed us to add some of

00:56:23.340 --> 00:56:25.519
the components so that's similar to what

00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:28.360
they were going to do here is take that revenue stream and

00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.239
use it for federal it's called uh

00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:35.050
infra at this point well i guess i'm confused because if

00:56:35.050 --> 00:56:38.159
the highway commission canceled the

00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:41.980
635 project because of the toll component but we're using

00:56:41.980 --> 00:56:45.119
tolls to leverage the 635 project

00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:49.010
we're not using tolls the we the proposal that rtc passed

00:56:49.010 --> 00:56:51.679
and that all the communities dallas county

00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:56.349
dallas carlin and mesquite approved was widening 635 going

00:56:56.349 --> 00:56:58.960
to 10 general purpose lanes and

00:56:59.920 --> 00:57:01.849
continuous frontage roads because they don't have it there

00:57:01.849 --> 00:57:03.679
for a total of 14 free lanes

00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:06.699
and then adding four toll lanes in the middle that was what

00:57:06.699 --> 00:57:08.880
was on the table that's a 1.8 billion

00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:11.530
dollar job the reason they were able to build the managed

00:57:11.530 --> 00:57:13.199
lanes is because the managed lanes

00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:16.400
essentially paid for themselves with the total revenue what

00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:19.119
the commission said was is you can't

00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:22.710
toll those lanes those managed lanes so you still have them

00:57:22.710 --> 00:57:24.559
in the plan but you don't have the

00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:28.019
revenue so in order to build the project as proposed which

00:57:28.019 --> 00:57:30.079
is frontage additional general

00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:33.179
purpose and managed lanes which are not told which are

00:57:33.179 --> 00:57:35.440
called express lanes and if you want to know

00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:38.840
what an express lane is every time you go to austin and you

00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:41.039
decide to take the upper deck instead of

00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:43.699
the lower deck those are supposed to be express lanes

00:57:43.699 --> 00:57:45.840
everybody knows that they aren't but that's

00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:48.869
what they call an express lane there's no toll so the

00:57:48.869 --> 00:57:51.519
commission said you can do it but you can't do

00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:54.670
it as a as a toll managed lane which means that if you're

00:57:54.670 --> 00:57:56.800
going to build the managed lanes now

00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:01.289
you have to backfill those dollars with tax dollars the

00:58:01.289 --> 00:58:04.960
projects they've selected to collateralize

00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:12.800
that 653 million dollars is again i-30 out to bass pro

00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:16.559
towards dow rock in the dallas county area

00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:23.550
us 80 east into kaufman county and in 635 i mean 35a from 6

00:58:23.550 --> 00:58:26.880
35 north to the denton dallas county

00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:29.590
line the reason that's important is because if you've

00:58:29.590 --> 00:58:31.599
driven south lately you've found that when

00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:34.820
you get to the 121 george bush area the collector

00:58:34.820 --> 00:58:38.960
distributor is not working we were going to use

00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:41.300
part of the money that we have in denton county portion

00:58:41.300 --> 00:58:43.119
because a third of it's in denton county

00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:47.130
and that 264 to fix that collector distributor now that we

00:58:47.130 --> 00:58:49.360
know what the problem is that's put

00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:54.190
on hold now because those dollars are put up as collateral

00:58:54.190 --> 00:59:00.079
for 635 so as goes 635 so goes 35a

00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:05.989
north of 635 in the dallas county area which impacts didn't

00:59:05.989 --> 00:59:09.039
count so the commission the rtc

00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:11.860
basically said we're not going to actually approve this we

00:59:11.860 --> 00:59:14.400
're going to send a letter saying we stand

00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:18.000
ready to partner with the commission to figure out how to

00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:21.039
get 635 moving forward everybody i

00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:22.960
think is just waiting till the primary is over because

00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.760
there's a lot of political chicanery going

00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:29.579
on and then they'll come back to it and since then you've

00:59:29.579 --> 00:59:31.840
had letters being written by lots

00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:34.940
of county judges lots of elected officials saying and my

00:59:34.940 --> 00:59:40.000
point is this is that even if you don't

00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:43.940
care about toll managed lanes you should care about local

00:59:43.940 --> 00:59:46.239
control because what you have is

00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:51.250
a county a large city three large cities being involved in

00:59:51.250 --> 00:59:54.000
the process saying here's what we

00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:57.820
want the state to build in our community and you have a

00:59:57.820 --> 01:00:00.320
state elected official who's once

01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:03.730
removed from the locals saying i don't agree with that we

01:00:03.730 --> 01:00:05.920
need to do it my way and so that

01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:09.889
mentality is going to be showing up in the next legislative

01:00:09.889 --> 01:00:12.639
cycle related to property tax sales

01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:16.349
tax debt service bonding and they're basically deciding

01:00:16.349 --> 01:00:19.039
that local governments can't be trusted

01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:21.269
and they all need to be wards of the state because that's

01:00:21.269 --> 01:00:23.519
essentially what they're doing on 635 right

01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:26.739
now is they're not allowing the local governments which the

01:00:26.739 --> 01:00:28.719
federal government requires them

01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:32.730
to include the local governments they're not let the local

01:00:32.730 --> 01:00:35.119
governments make a determination on what's

01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:40.400
best for their communities question on the the managed toll

01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:45.760
lanes i mean my understanding and

01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:50.969
it's a pretty simplified version is we contracted out with

01:00:50.969 --> 01:00:54.960
a private company that that manages those

01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:58.610
they collect the money off of them and because of that they

01:00:58.610 --> 01:01:03.599
actually helped fund the reconstruction

01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:08.800
of 35e right no sir i apologize you're you are a lot of

01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:12.239
people think that what happened on lbj

01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:15.469
which is lbj express and north tern express which

01:01:15.469 --> 01:01:18.480
reconstructed a corridor that added managed lanes

01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:22.510
to it was the same as what we did on 35e lbj and north tern

01:01:22.510 --> 01:01:25.039
express were what's called a

01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:28.409
comprehensive development agreement or cda where the

01:01:28.409 --> 01:01:30.079
developer came in and it was

01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:37.210
lbj was like 2.6 billion dollars uh tech start ended up

01:01:37.210 --> 01:01:39.840
having about 250 million dollars in it

01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:43.210
and cintra the one that won the contract put all the rest

01:01:43.210 --> 01:01:45.440
of the money in so they got the revenue

01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:48.190
off of that they get the revenue off that project for the

01:01:48.190 --> 01:01:50.480
next 52 years 52 years okay that's where

01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:55.369
i was same thing as north tern express but on 35e the 1420

01:01:55.369 --> 01:01:57.840
committee which the state required at

01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:01.269
the time which included the city of denton denton county le

01:02:01.269 --> 01:02:03.760
wisfield dcta i think was there ntta

01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:06.980
voted not to use a comprehensive development agreement

01:02:06.980 --> 01:02:09.440
process but only to use a design build

01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:11.949
and we were only going to build as much as we could have

01:02:11.949 --> 01:02:13.599
paid at the time because we didn't

01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:16.269
want to give away our revenue stream the reason we didn't

01:02:16.269 --> 01:02:18.079
want to give away our revenue stream

01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:21.679
is we saw the haircut the revenue stream took on lbj and

01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:24.480
the revenue stream that was taken on

01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:26.710
north tern express and we didn't want to discount the

01:02:26.710 --> 01:02:28.480
revenue because we know that lbj north tern

01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:31.579
express would come online before our project did and we

01:02:31.579 --> 01:02:34.079
would have a true understanding of the

01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:37.449
revenue ourselves well i think i think we're going to

01:02:37.449 --> 01:02:39.840
continue to see the state level folks

01:02:41.199 --> 01:02:44.239
going through all kinds of contortions and

01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:49.519
trying to take money from other projects for their projects

01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:52.400
all considered core governmental

01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:57.809
services and all because none of them have the the courage

01:02:57.809 --> 01:03:03.119
to to stand up to these ultra conservative

01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:06.739
groups that are saying no taxes no new taxes we've got to

01:03:06.739 --> 01:03:11.519
cut taxes as if somehow you can build roads

01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:17.909
without paying money for them great or or and so so this

01:03:17.909 --> 01:03:19.679
region found another way to do it

01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:25.429
by by the toll arrangements and in surprise surprise when

01:03:25.429 --> 01:03:27.280
you live in a community like

01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:30.460
like mckinney or alan or some of those places where you can

01:03:30.460 --> 01:03:32.320
't go anywhere on a highway without

01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:36.639
paying a toll they start getting a little upset about that

01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:40.800
i mean who would have guessed so so as

01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:44.940
long as they continue to say well we're going to keep our

01:03:44.940 --> 01:03:51.280
our fuel tax at a 1992 1993 rate even

01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:54.820
though we have more fuel efficient vehicles and cost of

01:03:54.820 --> 01:03:57.119
construction keeps going up we're not going

01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:00.239
to raise taxes to do any of this then we're going to

01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:02.800
continue they're going to continue to to to

01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:06.619
we're going to continue to see these kinds of shenanigans

01:04:06.619 --> 01:04:08.559
going on because they're not facing

01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:11.059
reality and they don't have the courage to do so so a good

01:04:11.059 --> 01:04:12.800
way to put that in perspective is

01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:16.789
the last 10 years we the the state of texas gave north

01:04:16.789 --> 01:04:19.920
central texas area about seven billion dollars

01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:23.889
in revenue we took that seven billion dollars in revenue

01:04:23.889 --> 01:04:26.159
used the tools that they gave us

01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:28.559
and we put 21 billion dollars worth of roadways on the

01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:31.760
ground this new 10 year cycle that we're

01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:35.130
talking about they gave us 6.9 7.2 depending on how you

01:04:35.130 --> 01:04:37.119
look at so they give us another 10

01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:39.789
seven billion dollars over the next 10 years but they've

01:04:39.789 --> 01:04:42.000
removed the tools so we're going to be

01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.510
able to build seven billion dollars worth of projects for

01:04:44.510 --> 01:04:46.400
seven billion dollars so they gave

01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:50.269
us a 66 percent reduction in our ability to put projects on

01:04:50.269 --> 01:04:52.880
the ground for the next 10 years simply

01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:56.719
by removing the tools and our argument is we aren't asking

01:04:56.719 --> 01:04:59.760
to build more toll lanes we're asking to add

01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:04.599
tolled managed lanes to our system within a defined

01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:08.400
corridor that's only 30 percent of the region but

01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:11.619
has 70 percent of the population so there's a limited areas

01:05:11.619 --> 01:05:14.079
that we want to use toll managed lanes

01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:18.110
and the locals have said that's what we want the federal

01:05:18.110 --> 01:05:20.639
government says texas you got to listen

01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:23.400
to the locals that's why we created the metropolitan

01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:25.920
planning organization and so what they're doing is

01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:28.920
if if you try to move in with toll managed lanes because

01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:31.199
michael and the rtc could just fund them

01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:34.179
with category two category five and category seven because

01:05:34.179 --> 01:05:36.159
those are all federal dollars and the state

01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:39.800
can't control those so what they did was they simply took

01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:42.800
the projects out of the plan and you

01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:45.639
can't put your money on a project that's not in the plan

01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:47.920
and so there's this fight that's going on

01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:51.619
and who knows where it's going to end but right now

01:05:51.619 --> 01:05:55.039
everybody's got this collective holding their

01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:59.019
breath wait until after march 6 to see what life has in

01:05:59.019 --> 01:06:02.239
store for us i think what's more importantly

01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:05.780
potentially devastating to us is who becomes the speaker of

01:06:05.780 --> 01:06:08.960
the house because the last couple of

01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:13.309
times this chicanery was tried speaker strouse was able to

01:06:13.309 --> 01:06:15.599
kill it if you get somebody a little

01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:19.440
bit more hardline in there that are more like the patricks

01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:22.079
of the world and uh and mostly patrick

01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:26.219
then i would say if you got a bond program you want to pass

01:06:26.219 --> 01:06:28.079
pass it between now and signing

01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:32.030
die next year because the laws are going to change right

01:06:32.030 --> 01:06:33.920
well that was depressing

01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:39.599
anything else to add to the rtc update it was a sunny day

01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:45.170
no ma'am okay do you have any other questions no ma'am all

01:06:45.170 --> 01:06:49.679
right so no more toll lanes for us

01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:55.519
item f dcta upcoming strategic plan planning session on the

01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:56.320
matrix

01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:03.460
say good this is staff reports i wasn't sure if the dcta

01:07:03.460 --> 01:07:05.360
upcoming are you going to be doing that or

01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:07.940
okay

01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:15.440
is

01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:29.559
yeah if you could send in the informal staff report or a fr

01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:30.719
iday report that would be good

01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:37.599
all right in terms of the uh matrix we've got a couple of

01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:39.920
updates i think uh pre-ten was not here

01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:45.679
to handle those two items if i'm not certain that would be

01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:50.480
items seven and eight i do want

01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:53.969
to make a statement that uh pre-ten indicated you have an

01:07:53.969 --> 01:07:56.800
update for the traffic condo for the march

01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:04.050
six so with that so as far as both of those items go and a

01:08:04.050 --> 01:08:06.800
pre-ten was prepared to give comments

01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:10.170
and remarks on both of them uh he had asked that we push

01:08:10.170 --> 01:08:12.960
those comments to the next time this body

01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:15.219
meets just so that he can give that and he's got a better

01:08:15.219 --> 01:08:17.119
understanding especially of the the school

01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:21.420
zone item uh number eight number seven it really all refers

01:08:21.420 --> 01:08:24.159
back to the speed study that has been

01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:30.239
done by text dot but pre-tem has a much better idea of

01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:31.600
where we're going with that one he could

01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:34.970
respond to it better than i could and so the traffic

01:08:34.970 --> 01:08:37.199
calming art is going to be at our next

01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:43.100
mobility meeting yes all right any questions about matrix

01:08:43.100 --> 01:08:48.720
and on the on the this school zone on 380

01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:53.479
i don't know that those folks want it or need it they have

01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:56.399
noddingham yes and nobody

01:08:57.119 --> 01:09:00.010
i don't think there are any kids that walk around bikes to

01:09:00.010 --> 01:09:02.079
that school but i'm i'm just curious is

01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:05.369
with the school sitting right there and with driveways

01:09:05.369 --> 01:09:08.560
right there on 380 we we probably

01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:13.609
need to be aware and and not caught with somebody getting

01:09:13.609 --> 01:09:16.880
hurt and what everybody wondering why

01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:20.250
why was there no discussion ever about that absolutely and

01:09:20.250 --> 01:09:22.319
when it comes to more private

01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:25.689
schools or private schools that exist in the community one

01:09:25.689 --> 01:09:27.279
of the issues that we're always

01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:30.920
trying to balance with those is that they're not like our

01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:33.119
public schools where they have a

01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:36.090
significant portion of pedestrian traffic there's some but

01:09:36.090 --> 01:09:38.079
there's not near the commitment to that

01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:42.090
so we'll i know pre-dem has been looking into that and i'll

01:09:42.090 --> 01:09:43.119
make sure that we come back to you

01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:46.220
with something more in depth on that one okay okay um if

01:09:46.220 --> 01:09:51.119
there's anything else on item f then

01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:54.020
we'll go to concluding items anything yeah i have a couple

01:09:54.020 --> 01:09:55.680
if you don't mind um

01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:02.359
i am i'm curious um if you know there was a time when we

01:10:02.359 --> 01:10:07.279
were having some problems with gravel trucks

01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:13.859
driving uh from decatur to the east and using a university

01:10:13.859 --> 01:10:20.000
driver highway 380 and uh we had uh

01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:26.479
put up signs saying truck route so that they would use um

01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:31.439
loop 28 i heard that that um don't know this

01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:34.479
to be a fact but i had heard that the police department was

01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:38.079
uncomfortable with um giving

01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:41.630
tickets because apparently a city can't pass an ordinance

01:10:41.630 --> 01:10:44.800
that there's a truck route to take

01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:49.310
trucks off of a state highway but then i've also heard that

01:10:49.310 --> 01:10:51.600
when uh mary denny was our state

01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:55.020
representative down in austin that she got state

01:10:55.020 --> 01:10:59.039
legislation passed designating uh loop 28 as a truck

01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:04.329
route um i don't know if that's true or not but i would

01:11:04.329 --> 01:11:08.880
appreciate staff doing some research on that

01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:14.880
i say that because i've been concerned since 380 got widen

01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:18.079
ed um that's that would be a pretty

01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:23.409
pretty big invitation for for um for delivery trucks and

01:11:23.409 --> 01:11:25.680
continuing gravel trucks because

01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:29.229
there's an awful lot of construction east of denton in the

01:11:29.229 --> 01:11:33.920
380 corridor um that we look at that and

01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:38.649
see what's going on and and i don't know if we have any

01:11:38.649 --> 01:11:42.079
traffic studies coming up of what kind of

01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:45.989
truck traffic through truck traffic is happening i don't

01:11:45.989 --> 01:11:48.479
even know how you do a study like that

01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:51.680
but i bet you guys know how to do that so i'd like a little

01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:53.279
more information on that

01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:58.250
another thing is um i don't know if it's just coincidence

01:11:58.250 --> 01:12:00.479
or what but i was driving

01:12:01.359 --> 01:12:07.130
around town a little bit this morning and i only saw eight

01:12:07.130 --> 01:12:07.920
v bikes

01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:13.800
dockless sheer bikes only eight of them so my question is

01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:16.399
have they already moved out

01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:20.569
have we already uh uh have our rules already been such and

01:12:20.569 --> 01:12:22.640
they looked at them and they said we're

01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:26.460
we're we can't we can't make a business here so so what i'd

01:12:26.460 --> 01:12:28.319
like at the next meeting is

01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:32.140
is for somebody on staff to reach out to the various dock

01:12:32.140 --> 01:12:35.760
less bike share programs uh to see

01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:40.479
well are you gonna are you gonna do business here or not

01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:47.039
and and and based on what you hear we we might want to have

01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:47.199
a

01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:53.060
a chance for those folks each of those companies to come

01:12:53.060 --> 01:12:55.359
and make a short presentation

01:12:56.239 --> 01:13:00.479
to the mobility committee because if if we've already

01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:04.239
managed to uh have an unintended consequence

01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:06.640
of making them all go maybe that was the intended

01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:11.359
consequence i didn't gather that from our council

01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:14.890
that that we had that is there but but i'd like to know

01:13:14.890 --> 01:13:18.079
that sure we can we can make that happen

01:13:18.079 --> 01:13:20.340
and one of the reasons why pre-tem is not here is he's

01:13:20.340 --> 01:13:24.560
going down to um cog for this afternoon's

01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:28.659
bpac bike and pedestrian advisory committee and they

01:13:28.659 --> 01:13:32.479
actually have a panel this this afternoon

01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:36.439
related to various regulations associated with bike share

01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:37.840
so there's going to be some industry

01:13:37.840 --> 01:13:40.510
representatives there but we can certainly follow up a with

01:13:40.510 --> 01:13:43.039
that report and then individual contacts

01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:47.079
to each of the four minimum four bike share operators we've

01:13:47.079 --> 01:13:49.279
been in touch with and it and

01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:52.770
it could be that that it's just they pulled off those bikes

01:13:52.770 --> 01:13:54.800
to put new stickers on them or

01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:56.869
something but there's no bikes around the square and that

01:13:56.869 --> 01:13:58.399
may be because of the construction that's

01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:02.699
going on but i drove down to the transit center and i

01:14:02.699 --> 01:14:06.159
counted uh six five i counted one that's

01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:10.560
been parked over next to scrap uh uh lean up against a

01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:13.199
wallet scrap and i don't they don't seem

01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:17.039
to mind the management there doesn't seem to mind but and

01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:19.600
my family is not in any management at

01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:24.359
scrap and uh and we never we only lost money uh by by

01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:27.680
volunteer time at scrap it's not a business

01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:31.979
for us but but i but i got thinking oh my gosh did we run

01:14:31.979 --> 01:14:37.840
them off that quick that's it so on the

01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:42.680
first item i the been around a little while and part of the

01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:45.920
model reason for doing 288 the way

01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:49.989
we were doing on the west we were looking at the northwest

01:14:49.989 --> 01:14:52.479
quadrant as our initial phase and that

01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:55.600
was back before buzz left tex dot and that was so that

01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:57.840
because right now i do believe you have a

01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:02.130
truck route that establishes the trucks to come 380 to 288

01:15:02.130 --> 01:15:05.119
go up 288 hit 35 come south to 380 and

01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:08.670
move through uh we just have to provide a madam chair i'm

01:15:08.670 --> 01:15:10.960
thinking i'm getting a head nod from

01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:15.640
our attorney we may be a little off the agenda no more on

01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:20.880
the response you know we it's for a

01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:28.310
future meeting okay so i guess we can't discuss that i have

01:15:28.310 --> 01:15:34.000
one item the dcca upcoming strategic

01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:37.619
call plan session planning session is actually tomorrow so

01:15:37.619 --> 01:15:39.840
you don't need to put it in the friday

01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:44.239
report point of clarification i mean maybe if there's like

01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:46.880
a summary or something afterwards

01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:49.729
but i don't think it needs to be in this friday's report so

01:15:49.729 --> 01:15:52.800
if there's no other concluding items then

01:15:52.800 --> 01:16:00.960
meeting will stand adjourned at 12 48