1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,320 going to be out her son is sick so first we'll take up item 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,400 1a consider approval of the mobility 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,589 committee of denton city council meeting minutes january 17 4 00:00:09,589 --> 00:00:13,599 2018 i move approval as presented in 5 00:00:13,599 --> 00:00:16,769 the back up since we don't have anybody else to second i 6 00:00:16,769 --> 00:00:19,920 will second and all in favor passes 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,760 unanimously we're going to go a little bit out of order 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,199 with item d consider the recommendation of a 9 00:00:25,199 --> 00:00:27,940 resolution of the city council of the city of denton texas 10 00:00:27,940 --> 00:00:29,679 appointing a member to the board of 11 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:32,520 directors of the denton county transportation authority and 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:33,840 providing an effective date 13 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,880 are we going to get a presentation for that i can i can 14 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,119 speak from here madam chair yeah absolutely 15 00:00:41,119 --> 00:00:45,509 mark so um wanted to let the committee know that uh moving 16 00:00:45,509 --> 00:00:48,320 forward with this uh proposed 17 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:52,009 amendment this is a resolution that would formally appoint 18 00:00:52,009 --> 00:00:54,960 richard huckabee to or 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,929 reappoint richard huckabee to the denton county 20 00:00:57,929 --> 00:01:01,119 transportation authority board of directors 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,959 mr huckabee has served as the dent representative since 22 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:10,400 late 2011 as stated in the backup the 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,769 appointments are typically for a two-year time frame but 24 00:01:13,769 --> 00:01:16,000 they they do not necessarily require 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,030 reappointment so we wanted to go ahead and move forward 26 00:01:19,030 --> 00:01:21,120 with um we had received a notice from 27 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:26,489 dcta that his appointment had expired but he was still 28 00:01:26,489 --> 00:01:28,879 eligible to continue to serve until 29 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,390 he was reappointed or another individual was reappointed 30 00:01:34,390 --> 00:01:37,840 richard has um been serving the city 31 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,859 of denton on this board as i said since 2011 has served on 32 00:01:41,859 --> 00:01:44,000 a number of different committees 33 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,329 and is currently serving as the chair of the finance 34 00:01:48,329 --> 00:01:50,480 committee and as the vice chair of the 35 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,890 board so uh he's in a great position uh in terms of 36 00:01:53,890 --> 00:01:57,680 leadership with that board and to serve uh 37 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,629 both you the council as well as the citizens of uh the city 38 00:02:02,629 --> 00:02:05,840 of denton so uh with that i would 39 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,280 stand for any questions but the staff recommendation is to 40 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:10,639 uh move forward with 41 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,090 the reappointment of richard huckabee to the dcta board of 42 00:02:13,090 --> 00:02:13,599 directors 43 00:02:17,199 --> 00:02:19,860 i assume that uh you're recommending that because he's 44 00:02:19,860 --> 00:02:21,680 indicated a willingness to serve 45 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,729 absolutely yes sir we as as indicated in the backup 46 00:02:25,729 --> 00:02:28,000 material staff did meet with um 47 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,189 richard huckabee back in december and he he does have an 48 00:02:32,189 --> 00:02:34,639 interest to continue to serve the citizens 49 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,479 of denton and if i may i also assume that this is an action 50 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:39,280 that needs to be taken by the entire 51 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,479 council correct with this um this action today is a 52 00:02:43,479 --> 00:02:47,439 recommendation for a formal resolution to go to 53 00:02:47,439 --> 00:02:51,610 council that would formally appoint mr huckabee okay i'm 54 00:02:51,610 --> 00:02:56,560 ready to make that unless you want to 55 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,379 okay well i wanted to just carry keely uh councilman brig's 56 00:03:00,379 --> 00:03:02,879 uh discussion that i had with her about it 57 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:05,189 and i think we were in agreement that we'd like to open up 58 00:03:05,189 --> 00:03:07,199 the nomination process again and see if we 59 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:10,789 have interested people who are would like to join the dcta 60 00:03:10,789 --> 00:03:12,800 board um not to say that we won't be 61 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,259 nominating mr huckabee in the future but i think um it's 62 00:03:16,259 --> 00:03:18,560 been six years since we opened it up to 63 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,969 the public so if there are people that are interested we'd 64 00:03:20,969 --> 00:03:22,159 like to take a look at those 65 00:03:22,159 --> 00:03:25,259 applications you know and that's a great point and i failed 66 00:03:25,259 --> 00:03:27,039 to mention that there is an alter 67 00:03:27,039 --> 00:03:32,090 uh an alternate member um that uh we have not made contact 68 00:03:32,090 --> 00:03:34,800 with it's a former council member 69 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,840 a gentleman by the name of guy mackleroy who's continuing 70 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,080 to serve in that capacity and so 71 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,189 that that certainly may be another opportunity uh if 72 00:03:43,189 --> 00:03:45,840 council wishes to to look into that as well as 73 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,009 the actual board appointment well i think i have to speak 74 00:03:49,009 --> 00:03:50,719 for her since she's not here but we were 75 00:03:50,719 --> 00:03:52,979 both interested in opening it up to the whole council for 76 00:03:52,979 --> 00:03:54,400 discussion and maybe other people 77 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,270 on council have suggestions okay and we do uh and i failed 78 00:03:58,270 --> 00:04:00,879 to introduce mr huckabee he is here with 79 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:04,509 us and he's here every week so they are every month so i 80 00:04:04,509 --> 00:04:06,800 feel like we if uh if you wish i'm 81 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,379 certain uh he'd be willing to answer any questions you may 82 00:04:09,379 --> 00:04:11,759 have if you've got any questions uh but he 83 00:04:11,759 --> 00:04:15,580 can certainly uh stand for question if you and mr huckabee 84 00:04:15,580 --> 00:04:18,399 if you feel like getting up and saying 85 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:22,220 anything please feel free um you'll have to get up to the 86 00:04:22,220 --> 00:04:26,000 mic though for the meeting i just want 87 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:34,110 to give you an opportunity into it okay thanks for asking 88 00:04:34,110 --> 00:04:36,399 now i'm pleased to serve my community 89 00:04:36,959 --> 00:04:44,019 i have an interest in it the uh i'm at the position where i 90 00:04:44,019 --> 00:04:46,399 'm kind of in line to get to be the 91 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:51,790 chairman of that board if charles emory ever decides to go 92 00:04:51,790 --> 00:04:55,199 elsewhere we're on the record by the way 93 00:04:55,759 --> 00:05:01,040 that's okay i said the same thing to charles emory actually 94 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,759 dcta owes a lot to our chairman of that 95 00:05:05,759 --> 00:05:10,899 board uh he's been with it pretty much since the get-go and 96 00:05:10,899 --> 00:05:12,720 is very involved in 97 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:19,060 everything that dcta does but i'm pleased to serve my city 98 00:05:19,060 --> 00:05:22,639 i've lived here in dentin no longer than 99 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:28,350 any place i've lived in my lifetime because i was in a rink 100 00:05:28,350 --> 00:05:30,560 or so long they just sent me wherever 101 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:37,000 they wanted and i always agreed but this uh i understand 102 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,279 this situation and we're on a growth 103 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,050 pattern so i'm pleased to continue if that be the will of 104 00:05:46,050 --> 00:05:49,360 the of the council well can i ask of course 105 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:57,480 please feel free so reflect on where you think uh dcta has 106 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:02,639 has uh grown and flourished and where 107 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,209 there may be some work that needs to be done well i there's 108 00:06:07,209 --> 00:06:09,199 never no work to be done 109 00:06:12,399 --> 00:06:17,319 right now probably uh on the near horizon i don't know what 110 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:18,399 near means in this case 111 00:06:19,519 --> 00:06:25,740 but the uh dcta seeks a a place where trains can switch 112 00:06:25,740 --> 00:06:30,879 double tracks in the vicinity of the 113 00:06:31,439 --> 00:06:37,040 corinth campus of nctc you know the background i was city 114 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,199 manager in corinth on a previous watch 115 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:46,509 and they've the leadership in corinth in those days uh was 116 00:06:46,509 --> 00:06:49,360 not interested at all in the train 117 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,660 coming down the track now are stopping there i think you 118 00:06:53,660 --> 00:06:58,480 know you know all of that yes yeah 119 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,819 i'm familiar with the history with it seems like like my 120 00:07:01,819 --> 00:07:05,040 memory is is that their hope was if they 121 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:10,329 voted uh not to participate with sales tax that that might 122 00:07:10,329 --> 00:07:13,600 make it that the train did not happen 123 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,439 and it wasn't going through making all of that terrible 124 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:17,360 noise in their town 125 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,720 so they so they voted uh against that uh which meant that 126 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,959 they uh also were voting against having a 127 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:33,079 a station or stop well the current uh there is a move 128 00:07:33,079 --> 00:07:36,319 amongst the new leadership in corinth 129 00:07:37,439 --> 00:07:39,870 and this would be of interest to the mobility committee and 130 00:07:39,870 --> 00:07:40,800 to the council 131 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:46,720 there's only three member cities you know that that are 132 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,079 member cities in the sense 133 00:07:48,879 --> 00:07:54,019 that a portion of your sales tax goes to dcta no other 134 00:07:54,019 --> 00:07:55,600 members 135 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:02,170 contribute in that way actually no other participants on 136 00:08:02,170 --> 00:08:03,040 the on the board 137 00:08:04,959 --> 00:08:08,160 and the voting is set up in that in that way too it has to 138 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,439 be two of the 139 00:08:09,439 --> 00:08:12,560 participating members plus the board how's that rule go 140 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,160 when we come to climb we have to go to the microphone 141 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,360 because we're being broadcast 142 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,240 jim cline president of dcta the way the voting works is 143 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,800 that actions by the board are taken by 144 00:08:27,439 --> 00:08:31,540 a majority of the board that's the the specific rules 145 00:08:31,540 --> 00:08:35,120 however when we have specifically and 146 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,779 really important items the budget adding you know when we 147 00:08:38,779 --> 00:08:41,200 anytime we take a significant action 148 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,549 there's a whole list in our bylaws that i believe mark i 149 00:08:45,549 --> 00:08:48,960 shared with you that it requires a actual 150 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,970 majority of the board not just of those present so it 151 00:08:51,970 --> 00:08:54,480 requires eight votes eight of those votes 152 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,500 must be two of the three financially participating member 153 00:08:57,500 --> 00:08:59,519 cities and the way it really works out is 154 00:08:59,519 --> 00:09:02,649 that the financially participating member cities have a 155 00:09:02,649 --> 00:09:05,200 veto this is basically how it works so two 156 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,610 of the three member cities or financially participating 157 00:09:08,610 --> 00:09:10,399 cities don't buy the plan then 158 00:09:10,399 --> 00:09:12,909 the plan doesn't happen and so that's kind of how that 159 00:09:12,909 --> 00:09:14,799 works and i think it's a good check in the 160 00:09:14,799 --> 00:09:18,409 system and it seems to work pretty well so okay thank you 161 00:09:18,409 --> 00:09:22,399 that helps what i'm suggesting to you is 162 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,019 that all the member cities have been paying their dues 163 00:09:27,019 --> 00:09:30,559 right since the get-go corinth 164 00:09:32,799 --> 00:09:37,379 has a desire or it seems to have a desire to open up 165 00:09:37,379 --> 00:09:40,240 another station 166 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:48,149 i don't think my i have a region i'm trying to have a 167 00:09:48,149 --> 00:09:49,679 regional view that's my job 168 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:55,200 but filtered through dentons requirements here's the deal 169 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,610 corinth would persuade and i think it's a good idea to have 170 00:10:02,610 --> 00:10:04,240 another station 171 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,529 and a little piece of property that's kind of close to pan 172 00:10:07,529 --> 00:10:09,519 el square if you know the area 173 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:17,000 that would essentially make corinth a member city for corin 174 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,840 th to be legitimately a member city they 175 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:26,080 would have to pay back the sales taxes they would have paid 176 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,320 from the very get-go 177 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:33,960 that's the only way they could we could have another member 178 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:34,480 city 179 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:40,000 or they can pay the equivalent and do all the capital costs 180 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,000 up to that same dollar amount if 181 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:48,970 they had been participating from the get-go and then they 182 00:10:48,970 --> 00:10:51,600 could be on an equal standing with the 183 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,419 member cities that have been there from the beginning that 184 00:10:55,419 --> 00:10:57,039 's the dollar equivalent 185 00:10:58,799 --> 00:11:02,919 it would be in the in the dcta's best interest if that 186 00:11:02,919 --> 00:11:05,840 happened and it wouldn't violate the trust 187 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,330 or the investment that the three current member cities have 188 00:11:10,330 --> 00:11:13,120 done if it doesn't come out that way 189 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:18,259 then you can my vote as your representative would be no but 190 00:11:18,259 --> 00:11:20,879 if it does come out that way and i'll 191 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:25,820 tell you this up front if it does come out that way my it 192 00:11:25,820 --> 00:11:29,039 it would be in the dcta's best interest 193 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:34,100 regionally and it wouldn't be a detriment to the city i 194 00:11:34,100 --> 00:11:36,639 represent i vote yes does that make sense 195 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:40,870 what i just said yeah okay well it would seem to me that if 196 00:11:40,870 --> 00:11:42,399 i may know yeah that 197 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,950 if if if they pony up the money because they would have 198 00:11:48,950 --> 00:11:53,120 paid and which in a reasonable way 199 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:59,029 that's satisfactory to all parties then then it's a win win 200 00:11:59,029 --> 00:12:03,120 for everyone because now rather than 201 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,500 three cities contributing sales tax it's now four cities 202 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:13,039 and Corinth since since dcta happened 203 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,200 has grown and there is more retail in Corinth than there 204 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,120 used to be so whereas at the beginning it 205 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,710 was a sign wasn't a significant amount of money but now it 206 00:12:24,710 --> 00:12:27,039 's become more significant and if they're 207 00:12:27,039 --> 00:12:31,389 going to get in they probably need to get in quickly before 208 00:12:31,389 --> 00:12:34,240 the bill gets any higher the entry fee 209 00:12:34,799 --> 00:12:37,509 so i'm sure that's exactly the way the Corinth 210 00:12:37,509 --> 00:12:40,720 representative on the dcta feels Tom Witter 211 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,320 Winterborn and i know they're working diligently at it 212 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:49,679 their the leadership in Corinth has 213 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,590 matured from the old days and we'll see how it works out 214 00:12:53,590 --> 00:12:55,679 because they're going to they're going 215 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,909 to put up them if for that for that to get approved by this 216 00:12:58,909 --> 00:13:00,720 board or to get Denton's vote 217 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,379 your representative's vote no matter who it may ultimately 218 00:13:04,379 --> 00:13:08,240 turn out to be that's the informed vote 219 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,960 are there any other pressing things that are that are 220 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,960 looking at us in the short term 221 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:20,690 i do want to just be sure that we kind of stay on our 222 00:13:20,690 --> 00:13:23,519 posting because it does say it's about the 223 00:13:23,519 --> 00:13:27,340 appointment so if it's related to the appointment then okay 224 00:13:27,340 --> 00:13:29,279 you know well then i guess we're 225 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,580 we've stitched up our lips to a certain degree can i answer 226 00:13:34,580 --> 00:13:37,679 any questions for y'all i don't i don't 227 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,909 have any i think that that was very helpful and it's 228 00:13:39,909 --> 00:13:41,759 helpful to know your background and to know 229 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:46,470 that you're still interested in serving so okay then i'm 230 00:13:46,470 --> 00:13:50,559 done okay great thank you so i guess 231 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,379 for next steps we would be having a full discussion with 232 00:13:54,379 --> 00:13:56,960 council i think i would take it to work at a 233 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:03,309 work session yeah sure yes absolutely great free to go okay 234 00:14:03,309 --> 00:14:07,279 um so then we're going to move back up 235 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:10,720 to item b receive a report hold a discussion and provide 236 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,360 staff direction regarding an ordinance 237 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,100 authorizing the city manager to execute a professional 238 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:17,600 services agreement psa with 239 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,250 innovative transportation solutions inc for transportation 240 00:14:20,250 --> 00:14:21,360 services as set forth in the 241 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,950 contract and providing an effective date which is file 6610 242 00:14:24,950 --> 00:14:26,720 professional services agreement for 243 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,299 transportation consultant services to innovative 244 00:14:29,299 --> 00:14:32,320 transportation solutions inc for a total of 126 245 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,169 thousand dollars yes ma'am i'm going to actually turn this 246 00:14:36,169 --> 00:14:38,720 over to assistant city manager mario 247 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,340 canas arras he's handling the contract from this point 248 00:14:42,340 --> 00:14:44,720 forward and taking it to to council 249 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,879 thank you mar members of the committee before you is as 250 00:14:49,879 --> 00:14:52,799 mentioned in the work excuse me in 251 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:55,769 the caption a professional services agreement for its 252 00:14:55,769 --> 00:14:57,840 innovation transportation solutions 253 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:04,000 it has been a consultant for the city since 2002 since 2002 254 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,039 most recently the contract with it 255 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:10,279 expired back in september of last year september seven of 256 00:15:10,279 --> 00:15:14,159 2017 and so we've been working with the 257 00:15:14,159 --> 00:15:18,169 five five one month extensions to get us to this point we 258 00:15:18,169 --> 00:15:20,480 went through an rfq process request for 259 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:25,210 qualifications process there was one submittal it's we've 260 00:15:25,210 --> 00:15:28,080 gone through the process of vetting 261 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,919 that submittal fortunately the the terms of the contract 262 00:15:32,919 --> 00:15:35,759 that's that's before you today or the 263 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:38,600 agreement today is the same as it was before ten thousand 264 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,879 five hundred dollars it's sort of it's 265 00:15:40,879 --> 00:15:44,850 for a two-year contract with three one additional year 266 00:15:44,850 --> 00:15:48,720 contract extensions so the the funds are 267 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,409 budgeted within the operating budget of the city so so we 268 00:15:51,409 --> 00:15:53,200 're covered there from a financial 269 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,850 perspective but the reason why we bring this for you today 270 00:15:56,850 --> 00:15:58,960 is ids has been instrumental with the 271 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,529 city working on the city's behalf be able to leverage local 272 00:16:02,529 --> 00:16:04,639 dollars with state regional and 273 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:10,279 and county dollars to be able to ascertain traffic two 274 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:13,039 traffic signals at 2181 we've been able to get 275 00:16:13,679 --> 00:16:19,090 traffic signals at robinson in 2499 a traffic signal at 380 276 00:16:19,090 --> 00:16:21,360 and cindy lane also the widening of 277 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:27,210 1515 most recently which was a very large project for us is 278 00:16:27,210 --> 00:16:30,080 the mayhill expansion is that connective 279 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,950 piece between to be able to get to get the the the above 280 00:16:34,950 --> 00:16:38,960 grade crossing at the dcta line at mayhill 281 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,610 so mr pollster and his firm has been very helpful in 282 00:16:42,610 --> 00:16:46,080 getting those those dollars through the council 283 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,480 of governments tex dot the county and again as i said 284 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,320 leveraging those local dollars with state 285 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,690 local and federal and regional dollars so with that we 286 00:16:55,690 --> 00:16:58,320 recommend approval of of this contract and 287 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,019 then if the committee recommends that we move forward then 288 00:17:02,019 --> 00:17:04,160 we bring that contract to the full 289 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:09,799 council on the march 6 2018 council meeting mark do you 290 00:17:09,799 --> 00:17:12,000 want to add anything to that 291 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,480 not unless there's any specific questions as it relates to 292 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,759 project delivery or anything along those 293 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:26,150 ones councilmember cragery do you have any questions 294 00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:28,000 councilmember riggs talked about 295 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,519 it we didn't talk about it but i'm more than happy to 296 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:32,559 continue with mr pollster's contract 297 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:35,680 i think it was kind of a given you've become a fixture john 298 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:42,720 so what he does for us and what that 299 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,930 what that contract does for us is provides some continuity 300 00:17:46,930 --> 00:17:49,039 of representation at the regional 301 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:54,410 transportation council because we have term limits we don't 302 00:17:54,410 --> 00:17:56,480 have that and that puts 303 00:17:57,279 --> 00:18:01,140 dentin at a very bad disadvantage in terms of of having a 304 00:18:01,140 --> 00:18:04,559 seat at the table that somebody who 305 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:08,160 who's been around and has understood how to work the system 306 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,920 to to get appropriate funds for 307 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,440 for the city and so i think that uh it's money well spent 308 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,519 well and i appreciate that you say 309 00:18:17,519 --> 00:18:20,230 that and and i know working with mr mr pollster the last 310 00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:22,240 number of months since i've been here 311 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:25,900 and with our city engineer tides to see has a really good 312 00:18:25,900 --> 00:18:27,759 rapport with staff and so 313 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:30,519 it's been a pleasure working with him so well i'd like to 314 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:32,960 echo both of those sentiments and i think 315 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,799 if i hear i thought i heard a motion to go ahead and 316 00:18:35,799 --> 00:18:37,440 recommend it to the full council 317 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,400 that's what i'm move okay and i'll second and all in favor 318 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,440 aye i have a unanimous recommendation to 319 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,700 send it off to the full council for approval of the 320 00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:50,720 contract thank you very much thanks mr pollster 321 00:18:55,839 --> 00:18:58,809 okay item c is receive a report hold a discussion and 322 00:18:58,809 --> 00:19:00,640 provide direction regarding texas department 323 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,480 of transportation on system projects in the dentin area to 324 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,359 include the 35 express project 325 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,049 so speaking of some of those services that ids provides we 326 00:19:11,049 --> 00:19:12,799 have john pollster with us 327 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,599 this morning and have him walk through each of these 328 00:19:17,599 --> 00:19:20,720 projects i will let you know that we've 329 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,289 added another project which is the 35w project which is 330 00:19:24,289 --> 00:19:28,160 essentially from fort worth just at the 331 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,329 820 location up to the 35 split here in denton and we'll 332 00:19:32,329 --> 00:19:35,200 walk through that we just this past 333 00:19:35,839 --> 00:19:39,000 week last week we actually hosted one of the planning 334 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,680 meetings here with the city here at 335 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,400 city hall so with without further ado i'll have john poll 336 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,519 ster walk through this report great 337 00:19:53,519 --> 00:19:55,519 yes 338 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:09,529 so you can just scroll can you do it full screen go to full 339 00:20:09,529 --> 00:20:12,480 screen the pages 340 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,559 yeah if you could zoom in that would probably be helpful 341 00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:24,880 too just roll it down this way yes sir 342 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,049 okay thank you uh the first project we'll go over is the 21 343 00:20:32,049 --> 00:20:36,400 81 north south project we have a bi-weekly 344 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:42,559 meeting with city staff tex dot and the county to go over 345 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:44,799 several projects this is one of those 346 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:49,440 projects the project was awarded to mcm they are still they 347 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,559 're saying a construction completion 348 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:56,910 date of january 2020 we're still arguing over some of the 349 00:20:56,910 --> 00:20:59,359 number of days in that contract to make 350 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,789 sure that they stay committed to the schedule they bid on 351 00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:05,039 because this is an a plus b contract 352 00:21:05,759 --> 00:21:09,200 and that means anytime they get past the scheduled contract 353 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,000 those days are worth a dollar amount 354 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,450 that have to be paid and they have to pay it back if they 355 00:21:15,450 --> 00:21:17,279 don't make the schedule so 356 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:21,450 we're currently in the process of beginning the most of the 357 00:21:21,450 --> 00:21:23,599 drainage improvements along the northern 358 00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:28,150 part of the project we've got a couple of areas where we've 359 00:21:28,150 --> 00:21:31,839 got some minor utility impacts related 360 00:21:31,839 --> 00:21:35,660 to a couple of signal poles and then we're working through 361 00:21:35,660 --> 00:21:39,440 a change order a potential for the city of 362 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:45,049 dentons improvements to their line and we've met with staff 363 00:21:45,049 --> 00:21:48,000 and with tech stock to resolve that 364 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,819 issue and we feel confident we'll get that resolved in a 365 00:21:51,819 --> 00:21:54,319 timely manner to everybody's liking 366 00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:59,349 so 2181 still kind of in its early phases of construction 367 00:21:59,349 --> 00:22:01,200 it's doing a lot of clearing and 368 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,630 drainage and utility work right now four-wheel drive i've 369 00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:05,440 got good news 370 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,009 we had a come to jesus meeting with union pacific a couple 371 00:22:10,009 --> 00:22:13,279 of weeks ago they had made the mistake of 372 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:16,759 saying they weren't going to meet our schedule so we sicked 373 00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:18,720 a lot of people on them and now they 374 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,089 have said they'll meet it and not only that but they're we 375 00:22:22,089 --> 00:22:24,400 submitted their final submission for 376 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,460 their exhibit a on february 16th and they indicated during 377 00:22:28,460 --> 00:22:30,799 that conference call that their comments 378 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:34,809 were minor and that when they submitted it back shortly 379 00:22:34,809 --> 00:22:37,839 that they would submit it back as a final 380 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:40,849 approval even if there are still some comments left 381 00:22:40,849 --> 00:22:43,519 outstanding they will give us final approval 382 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:46,210 with comments which is all tech stock needs to be able to 383 00:22:46,210 --> 00:22:50,240 go ahead and make that certification in may 384 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,599 for it to be ready to let for july let in 2018 so we have 385 00:22:54,599 --> 00:23:00,240 gotten over the last hurdle on this project 386 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,019 to get it to let in july so because of that we know it's it 387 00:23:05,019 --> 00:23:08,400 's a this is basically a railroad job 388 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:17,099 a driveway job and a little bit of a road job so the city 389 00:23:17,099 --> 00:23:20,000 spent a lot of time prior to this point 390 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,299 to coordinate with a lot of the businesses along that 391 00:23:23,299 --> 00:23:24,559 corridor because a lot of their 392 00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:28,380 driveways are going to be narrowed or or moved the city 393 00:23:28,380 --> 00:23:31,519 staff thinks it's important that we go out 394 00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:35,160 prior to contractor mobilizing but after they're awarded 395 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,759 sometime after july when we know how many 396 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:40,990 days they're going to be out there within the barricading 397 00:23:40,990 --> 00:23:42,799 is and all that and go back out and 398 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:46,759 have a joint text dot city of uh denton kind of a public 399 00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:49,279 open house on the project just to 400 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,259 inform the residents in those areas of what's coming and 401 00:23:55,259 --> 00:23:58,079 why just so that they're not caught 402 00:23:58,079 --> 00:24:02,000 flat-footed on that project and this is you'll see where we 403 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,160 've got most of the utilities clear on 404 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,529 this project and the ones that aren't are either in the 405 00:24:07,529 --> 00:24:10,480 plans as in the city of denton or they are 406 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,819 not impacting the construction of the project so four-wheel 407 00:24:15,819 --> 00:24:18,720 drive should let in july and that's a 408 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,210 big project for the city john yes ma'am when do you think 409 00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:25,519 the public meeting might be 410 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,670 sometime after july probably before september i'll just ask 411 00:24:31,670 --> 00:24:33,759 that somebody reach out to john ryan 412 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,920 since he's the rep for that area absolutely thank you 413 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:46,079 and then you've got 2499 section 5 which is essentially 414 00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:47,839 open except with that little 415 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:53,829 jog at robinson the the materials have been received and 416 00:24:53,829 --> 00:24:56,799 the contractor has been scheduled 417 00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:02,880 to go install that uh signal in mid-march and there's just 418 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,200 a kind of a lot of signals that 419 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,430 that contractor is working on and this was as soon as they 420 00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:08,720 could get out there to get it done but 421 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,009 the road essentially is open north of there and south of 422 00:25:12,009 --> 00:25:13,680 there and everybody that's getting to 423 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,490 use it as best they can love it so by march we should have 424 00:25:18,490 --> 00:25:21,440 that signal installed and operational 425 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:27,880 any questions on that okay that's basically what in the 426 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,839 rest of the project we're doing the sod 427 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:34,039 a lot of the punch list items so there are still continuing 428 00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:37,440 work by weber on the corridor but it's 429 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,579 mostly just punch list items and what bazilson refers to is 430 00:25:42,579 --> 00:25:47,440 farming the landscaping so your i-35 431 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,140 e mayhill improvements uh we have met with the district we 432 00:25:51,140 --> 00:25:54,160 are starting to uh populate the 433 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,160 the schedule on this project we are anticipating right now 434 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,400 we have asterisks there for uh no ride 435 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,480 away no utilities because we feel like we know what's in 436 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,880 the corridor and so we are 437 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,289 just simply putting in a date for construction ready to let 438 00:26:11,289 --> 00:26:13,839 because of the design and we have we 439 00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:20,339 met in january to talk about the project we determined in 440 00:26:20,339 --> 00:26:24,880 may 2021 uh is a contingent on 441 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,359 if there is right away if we find out there isn't any right 442 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,200 away since this project has funding on 443 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,589 it already we can move that date closer to the actual time 444 00:26:34,589 --> 00:26:38,000 for the design so what tech stock does 445 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,430 for whatever reason now is they will give you even though 446 00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:44,000 we're showing asterisks for right away in 447 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,049 utility they're plugging in time for that because they have 448 00:26:49,049 --> 00:26:51,920 they have to commit to a let date and 449 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,759 they can move it up easier than they can move it out so 450 00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:57,359 even though we're showing asterisks they 451 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,500 instead they wanted to include some time in the schedule 452 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:02,480 for those so if we get to that 453 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,869 phase of the project and they're the right away is not 454 00:27:04,869 --> 00:27:07,359 needing the utilities are minimal we can move 455 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,720 the date up on the project that's essentially what that 456 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,319 wording says there and this is the 457 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:19,710 ultimate improvements for mayhill under 35 so we'll have 458 00:27:19,710 --> 00:27:21,920 the the total number of lanes in the texas 459 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,569 u-turns the bridge itself for 35 ultimately will be widened 460 00:27:26,569 --> 00:27:29,279 but the underpass will be the proper width 461 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:32,250 for the ultimate configuration of mayhill now and in the 462 00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:32,640 future 463 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,019 so now we're on the loop 20 brinker mayhill project you saw 464 00:27:39,019 --> 00:27:41,200 that on february 9th 465 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,349 i'll just roll to the text art report on february 9th the 466 00:27:45,349 --> 00:27:47,519 traffic was switched over to 467 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,809 the new southbound frontage road they are currently in the 468 00:27:52,809 --> 00:27:53,680 process of 469 00:27:55,519 --> 00:28:00,279 redoing the old frontage road and making some drainage 470 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,559 improvements so that they can put the 471 00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:07,750 southbound main lanes over on those old southbound frontage 472 00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:10,000 roads then they'll a month that'll happen 473 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,650 sometime in march and then after that a couple months later 474 00:28:12,650 --> 00:28:15,039 they'll move the northbound main 475 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:19,099 lanes to the old southbound main lanes at that point they 476 00:28:19,099 --> 00:28:21,440 'll come in and pull out all of the 477 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,589 pavement for the northbound main lanes because that's the 478 00:28:26,589 --> 00:28:28,000 part where they're going to start 479 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,309 building the bridge structure up and then they'll 480 00:28:30,309 --> 00:28:34,000 eventually put the the northbound main lanes back 481 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,160 up on the new bridge and then pull out the southbound main 482 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,519 lanes build that structure move them up on 483 00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:43,599 the bridge structure so this will start in march you'll see 484 00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:46,079 it and it'll go all the way through 485 00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:48,160 the end of this year to december 486 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:58,019 good times and this one is 35 north it's a pretty old place 487 00:28:58,019 --> 00:29:00,640 holder we have our ve done 488 00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:03,700 well it's got two out of three signatures we've got our 90 489 00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:05,119 schematics were submitted 490 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,369 and on the second and once we get to this point we will 491 00:29:11,369 --> 00:29:15,839 start to work with text dot on finding 492 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:22,000 a funding source from the category 12 of 493 00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:26,309 funding just commission discretionary funding for this 494 00:29:26,309 --> 00:29:28,240 project because they are interested in 495 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:34,099 getting again 35 throughout the state of texas to six lanes 496 00:29:34,099 --> 00:29:36,720 so this is basically a faith-based 497 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,170 engineering we're doing all the design work without knowing 498 00:29:39,170 --> 00:29:40,799 exactly where the money's coming from 499 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:49,039 so this is 35 w we also have an item on rtc that affects 500 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,039 just south of here in tarrant county that 501 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,759 we'll go over as well but we added this project because 502 00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:55,680 obviously it impacts city of denton 503 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:02,170 on its western side we had a a on on february 15th city 504 00:30:02,170 --> 00:30:06,960 staff met with text dot and dcta to go over 505 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:13,980 the items associated with 35 w and we have a white paper 506 00:30:13,980 --> 00:30:18,000 that we can hand out if you don't have it i 507 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,960 think mark has it that goes over what's going on so 508 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,960 essentially in the last mobility plan there was 509 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,390 a pushback on managed lanes as you all seen which we'll get 510 00:30:30,390 --> 00:30:33,119 into a little bit further on our last 511 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:40,299 agenda item and so at the time the county submitted 35 w as 512 00:30:40,299 --> 00:30:44,480 a non-managed lane cross-section 513 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:50,039 but it's a rural we're proposing a rural cross-section in 514 00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:54,240 this corridor because it allows us in the future 515 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,559 if we so choose to add managed lanes we'll have the right 516 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:02,480 of way to do it so uh it's uh 517 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:07,769 what is it a goose and a gander i mean it's so we're going 518 00:31:07,769 --> 00:31:10,880 to be building three six lanes in 519 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,309 some portion of it and four in the other but it'll be a 520 00:31:13,309 --> 00:31:15,200 rural section so you'll have a lot of 521 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:18,789 open space in the medians and on the parkways so that in 522 00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:22,160 the future once managed lanes come back 523 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,180 into vogue we'll have the ability to include them into the 524 00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:26,799 project this is a little over 525 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,400 it's it's right now it's about 500 million but i'm betting 526 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,279 by the time we get to it 527 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,160 it'll be closer to a billion dollars which we're working on 528 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,799 getting parts of this project built if 529 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:46,170 you've been south lately just as you come into the city of 530 00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:48,319 fort worth part of that in denton county 531 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,269 you'll see the southbound and the northbound frontage roads 532 00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:53,279 being constructed we are working 533 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:56,980 with texas right now to build the next phase of of uh front 534 00:31:56,980 --> 00:32:01,440 age roads from about 1171 north to 2449 535 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,339 or the future loop 288 uh as well so what we're trying to 536 00:32:05,339 --> 00:32:07,519 do is just build frontage roads wherever 537 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:11,000 there's development occurring in their permanent location 538 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,039 and then at some point in the future 539 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:20,759 we'll come back and add in main lanes okay good news here 540 00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:25,759 too um we're calling this the keely 541 00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:28,890 bricks project she brought this to our attention uh for 542 00:32:28,890 --> 00:32:32,960 concerns on making that right turn movement 543 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,680 from 288 to 380 uh tina massey let us know the other day 544 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,880 that they have a concrete contract that 545 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,480 they uh have approved for their uh for dent county and that 546 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,480 this segment of roadway has been included 547 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,069 in that contract and they anticipate the improvements to 548 00:32:52,069 --> 00:32:54,799 begin sometime in may of this year and so 549 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:59,849 essentially as you're exiting off of 288 to come to 380 550 00:32:59,849 --> 00:33:02,799 from that you'll see where the concrete stops 551 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:05,819 and it kind of has a cut point from that cut point all the 552 00:33:05,819 --> 00:33:08,559 way into the intersection of 38 and 288 553 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,529 is the scope of that project to add additional lane and to 554 00:33:12,529 --> 00:33:14,640 restripe it to provide additional right 555 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:20,240 turn um capacity for those folks going east on 380 you know 556 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,039 you were mentioning a while back that 557 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:27,750 we had to have a lane to go straight through even though 558 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:32,559 nobody would and i was on um interstate 559 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:38,549 or highway 75 at the intersection of 75 and eldorado in mck 560 00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:43,680 inney and if you get off of 75 561 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,730 to turn on eldorado you have to turn right or you have to 562 00:33:48,730 --> 00:33:51,680 turn left you can't even go straight 563 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,200 through even though there is a road on the other side and 564 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,359 now it was when i got out there i said 565 00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:01,059 wait a minute holsters told me they can't do this you're 566 00:34:01,059 --> 00:34:03,519 saying that you found out the consultant 567 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:07,609 was wrong but it was it was it was confusing a little bit 568 00:34:07,609 --> 00:34:10,400 because it was like oh wow there's a 569 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,900 lot of lanes going this direction there were a lot of lanes 570 00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:14,800 going that direction so they had all those 571 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,320 dots out in the road and i was trying to figure which dots 572 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,639 were mine right to follow a lane through 573 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,369 there so we'll take a look at that because we're always 574 00:34:23,369 --> 00:34:26,239 looking for precedents on issues um and 575 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,349 get back with texthot on that and see what their thoughts 576 00:34:28,349 --> 00:34:29,840 are i don't know if that would really 577 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,889 help here or not yeah i don't know i mean uh i would say we 578 00:34:33,889 --> 00:34:36,480 'll consider everything you know 579 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,449 just see what happens i don't see a negative to looking at 580 00:34:39,449 --> 00:34:40,159 it you better 581 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,760 so that's 75 at eldorado in mckinney yes sir 582 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,539 all right so your 380e's project this project is being done 583 00:34:52,539 --> 00:34:54,639 by texthot it's fully funded 584 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,960 to the tune of a little over 130 million bucks the segment 585 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,559 in green is being uh designed in-house 586 00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:06,610 by texthot and the section in blue is being done by two 587 00:35:06,610 --> 00:35:09,440 firms and those projects have your 588 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,840 estimated completion of the 30 percent sometime in the 589 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,880 summer time frame and this also in the 590 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,780 green segment is the segment where the city has that uh 10 591 00:35:20,780 --> 00:35:24,159 foot path or trail that uh your bikes 592 00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:28,230 are got funded as part of this project and so it'll be 593 00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:31,920 included in this project and cog was 594 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,849 his pain the majority of it so this project's got a ready 595 00:35:35,849 --> 00:35:38,480 all that date of may of 2021 596 00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:43,829 it has a 89 parcels to acquire 50 something of them are in 597 00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:45,280 the blue segment 598 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,769 so they are putting a pretty long time frame on on that if 599 00:35:50,769 --> 00:35:53,519 it ends up being less then we can 600 00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:56,889 always move the project up because it is fully funded at 601 00:35:56,889 --> 00:35:58,960 this time a question on that is there 602 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,760 any uh is there going to be any widening of the road or of 603 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,719 that causeway or whatever they call it 604 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,150 where there's dirt uh going across part of that lake bottom 605 00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:12,159 there's a couple of bridges to let 606 00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:15,300 water flow through uh but is there going to be any more 607 00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:17,679 dirt work that they have to do to make that 608 00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,349 wider in that section over the lake bottom so i do know 609 00:36:20,349 --> 00:36:22,480 that the intent on this project is to stay 610 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,550 with an existing right away so i'm not sure what the 611 00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:29,440 drainage impacts will be but if i can get a 612 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,820 better idea exactly what you're talking about we can get 613 00:36:31,820 --> 00:36:33,519 that we can look at the schematic and see 614 00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:37,909 what it calls for it's between rock hill road and uh i 615 00:36:37,909 --> 00:36:41,360 think old trinity road is that back to the 616 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,329 towards denton rock hill back towards dent alright i kind 617 00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:46,239 of know where that is this is right before 618 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,239 377 north there's a turn off to the greenbelt parking lot 619 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,039 yes sir down there and what they 620 00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:56,010 did when they when they widened that out they went up into 621 00:36:56,010 --> 00:36:58,559 the floodplain and got permission 622 00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:02,039 from the corps of engineers and they took a bunch of dirt 623 00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:04,079 from up in there what they did was they 624 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:09,139 created a bunch of pods so i think what that ends up being 625 00:37:09,139 --> 00:37:12,480 is they have to mitigate for the loss of 626 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,840 storage by going in and creating storage elsewhere right 627 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,920 and and it worked well in terms of a wildlife 628 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,969 habitat and a refuge when when the lake goes down there's 629 00:37:24,969 --> 00:37:28,800 there's places for for wildlife to serve 630 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,449 yeah that's part of the deal i mean uh i remember back in 631 00:37:31,449 --> 00:37:34,000 my other life getting a call from buzz 632 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,429 elson telling me that he needed me to get congressman arnie 633 00:37:37,429 --> 00:37:39,199 's help because the u.s army 634 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,019 corps of engineers were bringing out the u.s marshals to 635 00:37:42,019 --> 00:37:43,440 stop his contractor on this part 636 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,570 of the project because they were violating their uh 637 00:37:46,570 --> 00:37:48,880 mitigation plan he was afraid he was going to 638 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,340 get arrested so i think our relationships have gotten 639 00:37:51,340 --> 00:37:53,199 better with the corps but yeah that's the 640 00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:56,739 intent is as we come through a sensitive area in the green 641 00:37:56,739 --> 00:37:59,039 area that there is mitigation issues 642 00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:02,409 that are associated with it and it's usually like seven to 643 00:38:02,409 --> 00:38:05,039 one so if you impact anything you have to 644 00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:08,570 mitigate seven to one somewhere else so yes sir i'm 645 00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:11,599 confident that will be part of the process 646 00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:16,769 okay loop 288 west we have uh chang patel on contract doing 647 00:38:16,769 --> 00:38:18,480 the ea and schematic 648 00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:23,889 at the bottom of the report you'll see that um textod has 649 00:38:23,889 --> 00:38:27,760 agreed to pick up chain patel to do the 650 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,039 actual design of the project and our first phase is a one 651 00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:34,559 of the two frontage roads this is a 652 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,820 remember it's a controlled access facility with main lanes 653 00:38:37,820 --> 00:38:39,920 and frontage roads the first phase is 654 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,949 going to be one of the frontage roads and so once the 655 00:38:43,949 --> 00:38:48,000 mobility 2045 plan is adopted i think in 656 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,480 june mayor june chain patel will be turned loose at that 657 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,920 point i want to come back in here to sit 658 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,519 with you guys because it's most of this impacts y'all and 659 00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:00,000 so we need to know which frontage road 660 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,099 you want us to start with because it absolutely doesn't 661 00:39:03,099 --> 00:39:05,199 matter which frontage road we use i would 662 00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:08,389 think it'd be the northbound since all your development is 663 00:39:08,389 --> 00:39:09,760 is inside of the loop but 664 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,760 i'm not an engineer so don't listen when i say 665 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,719 councilman i would envision bringing you know with with 666 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,880 your direction of course bringing that back 667 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,530 to the mobility committee to workshop and then bringing it 668 00:39:25,530 --> 00:39:28,239 forward to council um you know after 669 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:33,230 that i think i think council needs to be more aware of this 670 00:39:33,230 --> 00:39:35,840 and the alignment here than than 671 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,260 most of the council members are i think it's a little fuzzy 672 00:39:39,260 --> 00:39:42,880 for them and again with the expert 673 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,719 of the mobility committee i haven't understand a lot of the 674 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,880 stuff you help us uh create um better 675 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,719 better optics as we move it forward with with council in 676 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,519 terms of what you would like to see 677 00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:57,829 and how'd you like to see that information presented 678 00:39:57,829 --> 00:40:00,000 because we have a pdf of the schematics i mean we 679 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,139 can we've uh we've kept the picture uh purposefully vague 680 00:40:05,139 --> 00:40:09,679 because we didn't have the the traffic 681 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,059 from cog till just recently and so we couldn't justify any 682 00:40:13,059 --> 00:40:14,400 of our ramp locations 683 00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:17,050 from a traffic standpoint and so we didn't want to get 684 00:40:17,050 --> 00:40:19,280 those out into the public and then somebody 685 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,829 say hey i lost my access point when right we had to change 686 00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:25,119 it so we've kept it purposely vague to 687 00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:29,630 this point i think todd had something so one of the things 688 00:40:29,630 --> 00:40:32,400 that we are working on this year is we 689 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,960 are going through a master thoroughfare planning process 690 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,159 and this is a key area for us as development 691 00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:41,289 continues out there knowing that the loop is coming along 692 00:40:41,289 --> 00:40:43,519 the west side where those ramp locations 693 00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:48,579 will be ties into the uh for the actual frontage roads as 694 00:40:48,579 --> 00:40:51,599 well so we are engaged in looking at this 695 00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,570 area this year and then come back with where we see future 696 00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:56,480 expansion of the roadways and the mesh 697 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,210 thoroughfare network so you'll see in the schedule there 698 00:41:00,210 --> 00:41:02,800 that they're improving the schematic they're 699 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,170 anticipating having this schematic approved by december of 700 00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:08,079 this year which is the schematic is 701 00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,920 for both the frontage roads and the main lanes great separ 702 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,800 ations over the railroad and 380 so and 703 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,960 in other locations but you'll see that there's a two-year 704 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,960 jump between 18 and 20 on the environmental 705 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,480 approval that's because the 2045 mobility plan hasn't been 706 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,920 adopted yet and once it's adopted loop 707 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,550 288 is in and we can move that because it's not going to 708 00:41:31,550 --> 00:41:33,679 take you two years to clear a project 709 00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:38,420 that's been on the books for 20 plus years we just already 710 00:41:38,420 --> 00:41:41,920 know the uh the environmental 711 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,340 critical path items on this project so i'm betting that 712 00:41:46,340 --> 00:41:49,039 within a year after the schematic is approved 713 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,969 we can have an environmental clear so by 2019 which means 714 00:41:52,969 --> 00:41:55,039 that everything else can start sooner 715 00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:58,409 so this schedule is based on the fact that it's not in the 716 00:41:58,409 --> 00:42:01,119 mobility plan it will be by the end of 717 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:12,809 this summer okay FM 1515 we got the LTRN contract right at 718 00:42:12,809 --> 00:42:18,239 the beginning of 2018 they are pulling 719 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,380 together their subs we had some conversation because tex 720 00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:24,800 dot is uh keeping some aspects of 721 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,960 the project in house most notably the right-of-way mapping 722 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,199 and so we had to do some negotiations on 723 00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:36,920 that and we are starting the survey and the sue work and 724 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:43,519 and LTRA has been informed that their 725 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,969 main stakeholder is the city and we're working with the 726 00:42:47,969 --> 00:42:49,440 city they're working with the city to 727 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,119 make sure that through the city we get input from all of 728 00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:54,159 the development all on that corridor to 729 00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:57,530 make sure that we're doing the project consistent with what 730 00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:59,840 everybody wants and including the tie-in 731 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,659 at body braid we haven't given them notice to proceed yet 732 00:43:03,659 --> 00:43:05,920 there are some scope issues we have 733 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,480 to clarify on the cost but once we get that we'll turn them 734 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,159 loose and the first door they should be 735 00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:15,260 knocking on is the cities to come in and talk about all 736 00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:17,760 your critical hot points on this project 737 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:27,670 will there be any as they do that there are a couple of 738 00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:31,840 pretty severe curves in that road are 739 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,750 those going to be made less severe or are we pretty limited 740 00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:39,920 by the right i think that they are going 741 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,059 to be improved we haven't necessarily established the 742 00:43:44,059 --> 00:43:47,360 design speed criteria on it which dictates 743 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,920 what you can and can't do i would assume it'd be somewhere 744 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,039 between 40 and 45 miles design speed 745 00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:59,139 although i'm not an engineer todd may have a have a better 746 00:43:59,139 --> 00:44:02,320 opinion well this roadway also ties into 747 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,030 that master thoroughfare plan that we're looking at is 748 00:44:06,030 --> 00:44:08,800 there's a need to tie this into the south 749 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,699 so we take 1515 ultimately we would want to take an arter 750 00:44:12,699 --> 00:44:15,760 ial south all the way down to 2449 and 751 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,130 vintage which would relieve some of that truck traffic and 752 00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:21,280 get it out to 35w faster or they could 753 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,650 go north gives multiple options so the necessity to really 754 00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:27,280 put a high speed connection in 1515 755 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,139 which would be a we would really shallow those curves up a 756 00:44:31,139 --> 00:44:33,119 little bit is less and there's some 757 00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:36,489 significant right away constraints plus you've got some 758 00:44:36,489 --> 00:44:39,039 floodplain and jurisdictional issues in that 759 00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:41,880 area so knowing all those things are coming online it's 760 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,480 probably not going to straighten out too much 761 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,750 okay i'm going to be pretty limited but there are some 762 00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:48,400 alternatives to relieve that issue 763 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,739 and so what the dance will be is the text that has certain 764 00:44:51,739 --> 00:44:53,760 design criteria they're going to want to 765 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,349 meet if it stays on system if the city decides once it's 766 00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:59,679 constructed as a six lane divided 767 00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:04,030 urban arterial they want to take it off system then they 768 00:45:04,030 --> 00:45:06,400 can have some design waivers 769 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,869 through the process that the state's more amenable to 770 00:45:09,869 --> 00:45:12,719 knowing that ultimately it'll come off system but 771 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,349 that's a conversation for a later date and we're in this 772 00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:20,400 process do we talk with i mean 773 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,480 there are a bunch of distribution centers out there 774 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,559 absolutely and that's and that's just crucial for 775 00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:29,929 them when do we talk with the all of those stakeholders in 776 00:45:29,929 --> 00:45:32,480 that in that area that that depend on 777 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,099 1515 so typically as we go through this design process we 778 00:45:37,099 --> 00:45:39,599 would go to them at multiple points 779 00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:43,079 i would foresee as we go through this project it'd be a 780 00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:45,760 collaborative effort between tax dot and the 781 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,260 city and since it's not that i-35 billion dollar kind of 782 00:45:49,260 --> 00:45:51,280 expansion i would anticipate the 783 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,400 communication aspect to be more on the city than it really 784 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,400 will be the state with that 785 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,860 being the case we would go early in the process once we 786 00:45:59,860 --> 00:46:02,239 kind of know what that schematic looks 787 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,889 like for the area we've hammered out some of the details we 788 00:46:04,889 --> 00:46:06,480 can at least talk to the businesses 789 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,699 conceptually get an idea of what that looks like to them 790 00:46:09,699 --> 00:46:11,840 the concerns they might have and the way 791 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,659 their operations might be impacted both after the project 792 00:46:15,659 --> 00:46:17,920 and during construction which would then 793 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,019 give the design consultant better information to complete 794 00:46:22,019 --> 00:46:24,639 the design it'd be an ongoing process 795 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,840 early and often i think is the right words right 796 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,940 and then this is a reconstruction job that we that we've 797 00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:39,760 got on it's going to be closing out 798 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,849 sometime in august of this year this is basically just a a 799 00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:46,159 resurfacing of 1830 800 00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:49,320 but this you know during the at the southern part of the 801 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,679 city in this area and it's mostly just a 802 00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:54,800 bridge replacement project with some overlay work 803 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,360 throughout this corridor now we'll probably 804 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,550 replace this one with tex dot coming in and they are 805 00:47:01,550 --> 00:47:06,320 already doing uh i would kind of feasibility 806 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:11,599 or conceptual planning on widening 1830 to four lanes there 807 00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:13,840 's some discussion as to four lane 808 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,579 divided four lane undivided if it's divided is it going to 809 00:47:16,579 --> 00:47:18,320 be a flush median is it going to be a 810 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,789 mountable median is there going to be a raised median 811 00:47:20,789 --> 00:47:23,280 because a lot of part of 1830 operates in 812 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,559 a very rural manner and what tex dot is coming to the 813 00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:32,639 realization or conclusion on is that when 814 00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:36,349 you have a four lane divided facility in most areas what 815 00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:39,440 benefits you get from a safety standpoint 816 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,789 of a raised median it gets offset by the fact that you have 817 00:47:41,789 --> 00:47:43,440 large vehicles with trailers that can't 818 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,909 make turns and so they have to make u-turns and they can't 819 00:47:46,909 --> 00:47:50,239 make the u-turn and so there's some 820 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,909 conversation that they're having internally but once that 821 00:47:53,909 --> 00:47:55,679 project comes fully online 822 00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:58,929 because the state's doing the project then we'll bring the 823 00:47:58,929 --> 00:48:00,800 reports back and then we'll work with 824 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,619 the city because obviously y'all have a say in what y'all 825 00:48:04,619 --> 00:48:07,599 think 1830 needs to look like i would 826 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:11,010 say closer you get to to the northern part of that project 827 00:48:11,010 --> 00:48:13,599 the more raised and limited those turn lanes 828 00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:16,969 are going to be for the south to get the less limited but 829 00:48:16,969 --> 00:48:19,840 that's just a guess on my part and 830 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,260 i believe for this item that is it unless you have any 831 00:48:23,260 --> 00:48:29,679 questions a couple of things you said at the 832 00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:32,030 end we were going to talk about managed lanes a little bit 833 00:48:32,030 --> 00:48:33,760 more it's the last item on your agenda 834 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,940 for rtc okay all right nothing okay then so do i sit down 835 00:48:38,940 --> 00:48:42,639 are you doing the rtc presentation i can 836 00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:44,980 do that from over there right there's no handout yes you 837 00:48:44,980 --> 00:48:49,360 can thanks for understanding i don't like 838 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,179 doing this uh thanks for the presentation and then we'll 839 00:48:53,179 --> 00:48:55,920 move to item e which is receive a report 840 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,760 hold a discussion and provide direction regarding regional 841 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,719 transportation council monthly reports 842 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,090 and actions and that's going to be mr polster again accept 843 00:49:04,090 --> 00:49:05,119 seated this time 844 00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:12,230 okay so you should have in your packet the basically the 845 00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:13,760 agenda from the regional 846 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,960 transportation council meeting on february or january 11th 847 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,719 the i mean uh that was february 8th 848 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,159 so on item five it's the uh says follow up on texas 849 00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:26,960 transportation commission meeting 850 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,159 the commission in january 24th the highway commission 851 00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:33,840 communicated to 852 00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:39,199 uh regional transportation council that they did not want 853 00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:42,239 to move forward on 635 east 854 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,119 because there was a billion dollar shortfall and the rtc 855 00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:50,559 members and mr morris's staff tried to 856 00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:53,989 allay that concern but you know i guess if you're a billion 857 00:49:53,989 --> 00:49:56,079 dollars short it's kind of hard to get 858 00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,349 past the math on that the reason we were even there in jan 859 00:50:00,349 --> 00:50:03,920 uary is because in december of 2017 860 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:10,280 the commission pulled uh 635 35 w project in houston in a 861 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,440 project in austin completely out 862 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,090 of the plan uh the 10-year unified transportation plan 863 00:50:16,090 --> 00:50:19,440 which means you can't spend any money on it 864 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,809 because it's not in the plan uh which set a lot of people 865 00:50:23,809 --> 00:50:26,800 off and the reason they did that was 866 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,130 because all those projects had a told component uh 867 00:50:31,130 --> 00:50:35,280 referenced as a told managed lane and the 868 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,119 governor and the lieutenant governor communicated to the 869 00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:39,760 highway commission in in december 870 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,480 november december of last year that they did not want any 871 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,280 projects moving forward that had a toll 872 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,829 component or as a toll road and so they were conflagrating 873 00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:54,960 the conflagrating toll roads and 874 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,070 toll managed lanes is the same item and they are completely 875 00:50:58,070 --> 00:51:02,000 different and so it put hold a hold on 876 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,969 35 w coming out of tarrant county and it put a hold on 635 877 00:51:06,969 --> 00:51:09,679 why why are those two projects important 878 00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:13,820 to denton county in general and didn't first of all 35 w 879 00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:16,079 ties into the project that we were 880 00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:19,900 talking about a moment ago where we're it's bringing uh 35 881 00:51:19,900 --> 00:51:21,599 w into denton county proper 882 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,170 at its southwest quadrant so anything that impacts that 883 00:51:26,170 --> 00:51:28,639 impacts that development as it 884 00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:32,760 continues north 635 east is more important to denton county 885 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,880 and the residents of denton county 886 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,130 and cities is because denton is in the eastern sub region 887 00:51:39,130 --> 00:51:41,280 of the of texas and we're in the dallas 888 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:46,880 district and that's where 635 east is and until 635 east is 889 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,000 resolved from a financial standpoint 890 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,630 they're not moving forward on anything in the region right 891 00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:57,360 now and if you short on projects 892 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,329 like at some point we're going to need money for 288 etc 893 00:52:00,329 --> 00:52:02,559 they're not even going to consider 894 00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:05,530 assisting you on that until they come up with this short 895 00:52:05,530 --> 00:52:10,320 fall funding so at the january i mean 896 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:15,110 the february 8th rtc meeting they passed out a draft 897 00:52:15,110 --> 00:52:19,599 proposal to cover this shortfall and it 898 00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:25,369 required the region they used the word uh collateral they 899 00:52:25,369 --> 00:52:27,840 were going to use three projects 900 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,559 as collateral for the uh 653 million dollars or short on 901 00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:35,760 this project one of those projects is i 902 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:43,329 35e from 635 to the dallas denton collin county line excuse 903 00:52:43,329 --> 00:52:47,119 me collateral does that mean we're 904 00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:50,940 putting it up as a first lien to a bank or something 905 00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:54,320 essentially okay so we're putting up 906 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,960 no no i wasn't there i was at the municipal law conference 907 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,099 okay first the project's short including the toll component 908 00:53:03,099 --> 00:53:05,440 excellent question so the reason 909 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,960 the project is short is because the commission said we'll 910 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,519 let you move forward on 635 but you 911 00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:15,599 have to pull the told component the toll component shot a 912 00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:18,880 hole about 770 million dollars in a 913 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:24,019 financing mechanism so that puts us 770 something million 914 00:53:24,019 --> 00:53:26,559 dollars in the hole if we want to move 915 00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:32,039 forward on all of of 635 from 75 all the way around to 30 916 00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:34,239 which is the next segment that needs to be 917 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,230 constructed so when they pulled out the toll manage lanes 918 00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:41,119 it put a hole in the funding and so 919 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:47,130 the certain senators around here that are adamant about no 920 00:53:47,130 --> 00:53:50,400 tolls say well you just got the wrong 921 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,260 projects you're you're building lesser important projects 922 00:53:54,260 --> 00:53:56,800 and and you need to just move those 923 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,630 monies to to 635 east so the three projects so what the rtc 924 00:54:01,630 --> 00:54:04,239 proposed which they didn't pass 925 00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:08,900 was to basically do a reverse near neighbor near time frame 926 00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:12,559 right so if 635 east needs money 927 00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:16,119 it needs to come from projects that are in and around that 928 00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:18,639 project or that are beat or in 929 00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:21,349 certain senatorial districts that are pushing for it okay 930 00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:24,480 so two of the projects are in center hall's 931 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:29,869 district in their near near neighbor 80 and i-30 they're in 932 00:54:29,869 --> 00:54:34,079 diracqua county the 630 i mean i-35e 933 00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:37,900 project is in another senator's district that's pushing 934 00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:41,039 those issues and so that totals 653 million 935 00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:43,929 dollars and yes when that says collateral they're saying 936 00:54:43,929 --> 00:54:46,320 that if they can't find a way to make up 937 00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:50,599 additional funds on this project through either savings on 938 00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:53,760 the project of being allowed to procure 939 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,139 it as a as a some type of design bill where the developer 940 00:54:57,139 --> 00:54:59,760 can come in and propose certain alternatives 941 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,639 or they get additional money from the commission then those 942 00:55:03,639 --> 00:55:06,880 three projects their money that's in 943 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,320 the 10-year plan would be moved to 635 which means that in 944 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:16,079 the 10 years from 2016 to 2025 or whatever 945 00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:19,449 that 10-year period is there's no money for those projects 946 00:55:19,449 --> 00:55:22,320 in the in the 10-year plan so collateral 947 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,260 means that yeah if we need it we're taking it if we take it 948 00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:27,679 it's out of the 10-year plan it's not 949 00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:34,170 funded anymore i have a question 635 so the i-35 east 950 00:55:34,170 --> 00:55:36,960 portion of it isn't that toll managed as well 951 00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:43,309 the the segment that all 35e is told from has a toll 952 00:55:43,309 --> 00:55:46,079 managed lane from basically the lake to 635 953 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,840 right so when you're talking about leverage you're not 954 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,639 talking about the toll revenues you're 955 00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:54,010 talking about project improvement funds capital funds i'm 956 00:55:54,010 --> 00:55:55,599 not sure i understand the questions 957 00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:00,739 that the money that was on 635 the 770 million dollars that 958 00:56:00,739 --> 00:56:03,199 came out of the program because you 959 00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:06,170 pulled the toll man's lanes what they do is they take that 960 00:56:06,170 --> 00:56:08,320 revenue stream similar what we did on 961 00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:12,010 35e and remember we only have two reversibles this will 962 00:56:12,010 --> 00:56:13,599 have four two concurrence in each 963 00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:16,440 direction we were able to take that revenue stream and 964 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,719 leverage it for a 385 million dollar 965 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,340 civil i mean tiffy alone which allowed us to add some of 966 00:56:23,340 --> 00:56:25,519 the components so that's similar to what 967 00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:28,360 they were going to do here is take that revenue stream and 968 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,239 use it for federal it's called uh 969 00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:35,050 infra at this point well i guess i'm confused because if 970 00:56:35,050 --> 00:56:38,159 the highway commission canceled the 971 00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:41,980 635 project because of the toll component but we're using 972 00:56:41,980 --> 00:56:45,119 tolls to leverage the 635 project 973 00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:49,010 we're not using tolls the we the proposal that rtc passed 974 00:56:49,010 --> 00:56:51,679 and that all the communities dallas county 975 00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:56,349 dallas carlin and mesquite approved was widening 635 going 976 00:56:56,349 --> 00:56:58,960 to 10 general purpose lanes and 977 00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:01,849 continuous frontage roads because they don't have it there 978 00:57:01,849 --> 00:57:03,679 for a total of 14 free lanes 979 00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:06,699 and then adding four toll lanes in the middle that was what 980 00:57:06,699 --> 00:57:08,880 was on the table that's a 1.8 billion 981 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,530 dollar job the reason they were able to build the managed 982 00:57:11,530 --> 00:57:13,199 lanes is because the managed lanes 983 00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:16,400 essentially paid for themselves with the total revenue what 984 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,119 the commission said was is you can't 985 00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,710 toll those lanes those managed lanes so you still have them 986 00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:24,559 in the plan but you don't have the 987 00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:28,019 revenue so in order to build the project as proposed which 988 00:57:28,019 --> 00:57:30,079 is frontage additional general 989 00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:33,179 purpose and managed lanes which are not told which are 990 00:57:33,179 --> 00:57:35,440 called express lanes and if you want to know 991 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,840 what an express lane is every time you go to austin and you 992 00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,039 decide to take the upper deck instead of 993 00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:43,699 the lower deck those are supposed to be express lanes 994 00:57:43,699 --> 00:57:45,840 everybody knows that they aren't but that's 995 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,869 what they call an express lane there's no toll so the 996 00:57:48,869 --> 00:57:51,519 commission said you can do it but you can't do 997 00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:54,670 it as a as a toll managed lane which means that if you're 998 00:57:54,670 --> 00:57:56,800 going to build the managed lanes now 999 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,289 you have to backfill those dollars with tax dollars the 1000 00:58:01,289 --> 00:58:04,960 projects they've selected to collateralize 1001 00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:12,800 that 653 million dollars is again i-30 out to bass pro 1002 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,559 towards dow rock in the dallas county area 1003 00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:23,550 us 80 east into kaufman county and in 635 i mean 35a from 6 1004 00:58:23,550 --> 00:58:26,880 35 north to the denton dallas county 1005 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,590 line the reason that's important is because if you've 1006 00:58:29,590 --> 00:58:31,599 driven south lately you've found that when 1007 00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:34,820 you get to the 121 george bush area the collector 1008 00:58:34,820 --> 00:58:38,960 distributor is not working we were going to use 1009 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,300 part of the money that we have in denton county portion 1010 00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:43,119 because a third of it's in denton county 1011 00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:47,130 and that 264 to fix that collector distributor now that we 1012 00:58:47,130 --> 00:58:49,360 know what the problem is that's put 1013 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:54,190 on hold now because those dollars are put up as collateral 1014 00:58:54,190 --> 00:59:00,079 for 635 so as goes 635 so goes 35a 1015 00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:05,989 north of 635 in the dallas county area which impacts didn't 1016 00:59:05,989 --> 00:59:09,039 count so the commission the rtc 1017 00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:11,860 basically said we're not going to actually approve this we 1018 00:59:11,860 --> 00:59:14,400 're going to send a letter saying we stand 1019 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,000 ready to partner with the commission to figure out how to 1020 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,039 get 635 moving forward everybody i 1021 00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:22,960 think is just waiting till the primary is over because 1022 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,760 there's a lot of political chicanery going 1023 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,579 on and then they'll come back to it and since then you've 1024 00:59:29,579 --> 00:59:31,840 had letters being written by lots 1025 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,940 of county judges lots of elected officials saying and my 1026 00:59:34,940 --> 00:59:40,000 point is this is that even if you don't 1027 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,940 care about toll managed lanes you should care about local 1028 00:59:43,940 --> 00:59:46,239 control because what you have is 1029 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,250 a county a large city three large cities being involved in 1030 00:59:51,250 --> 00:59:54,000 the process saying here's what we 1031 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,820 want the state to build in our community and you have a 1032 00:59:57,820 --> 01:00:00,320 state elected official who's once 1033 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,730 removed from the locals saying i don't agree with that we 1034 01:00:03,730 --> 01:00:05,920 need to do it my way and so that 1035 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,889 mentality is going to be showing up in the next legislative 1036 01:00:09,889 --> 01:00:12,639 cycle related to property tax sales 1037 01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:16,349 tax debt service bonding and they're basically deciding 1038 01:00:16,349 --> 01:00:19,039 that local governments can't be trusted 1039 01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:21,269 and they all need to be wards of the state because that's 1040 01:00:21,269 --> 01:00:23,519 essentially what they're doing on 635 right 1041 01:00:23,519 --> 01:00:26,739 now is they're not allowing the local governments which the 1042 01:00:26,739 --> 01:00:28,719 federal government requires them 1043 01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,730 to include the local governments they're not let the local 1044 01:00:32,730 --> 01:00:35,119 governments make a determination on what's 1045 01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:40,400 best for their communities question on the the managed toll 1046 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:45,760 lanes i mean my understanding and 1047 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:50,969 it's a pretty simplified version is we contracted out with 1048 01:00:50,969 --> 01:00:54,960 a private company that that manages those 1049 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,610 they collect the money off of them and because of that they 1050 01:00:58,610 --> 01:01:03,599 actually helped fund the reconstruction 1051 01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:08,800 of 35e right no sir i apologize you're you are a lot of 1052 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,239 people think that what happened on lbj 1053 01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:15,469 which is lbj express and north tern express which 1054 01:01:15,469 --> 01:01:18,480 reconstructed a corridor that added managed lanes 1055 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,510 to it was the same as what we did on 35e lbj and north tern 1056 01:01:22,510 --> 01:01:25,039 express were what's called a 1057 01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:28,409 comprehensive development agreement or cda where the 1058 01:01:28,409 --> 01:01:30,079 developer came in and it was 1059 01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:37,210 lbj was like 2.6 billion dollars uh tech start ended up 1060 01:01:37,210 --> 01:01:39,840 having about 250 million dollars in it 1061 01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,210 and cintra the one that won the contract put all the rest 1062 01:01:43,210 --> 01:01:45,440 of the money in so they got the revenue 1063 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,190 off of that they get the revenue off that project for the 1064 01:01:48,190 --> 01:01:50,480 next 52 years 52 years okay that's where 1065 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:55,369 i was same thing as north tern express but on 35e the 1420 1066 01:01:55,369 --> 01:01:57,840 committee which the state required at 1067 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,269 the time which included the city of denton denton county le 1068 01:02:01,269 --> 01:02:03,760 wisfield dcta i think was there ntta 1069 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,980 voted not to use a comprehensive development agreement 1070 01:02:06,980 --> 01:02:09,440 process but only to use a design build 1071 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,949 and we were only going to build as much as we could have 1072 01:02:11,949 --> 01:02:13,599 paid at the time because we didn't 1073 01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,269 want to give away our revenue stream the reason we didn't 1074 01:02:16,269 --> 01:02:18,079 want to give away our revenue stream 1075 01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:21,679 is we saw the haircut the revenue stream took on lbj and 1076 01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:24,480 the revenue stream that was taken on 1077 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,710 north tern express and we didn't want to discount the 1078 01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:28,480 revenue because we know that lbj north tern 1079 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,579 express would come online before our project did and we 1080 01:02:31,579 --> 01:02:34,079 would have a true understanding of the 1081 01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:37,449 revenue ourselves well i think i think we're going to 1082 01:02:37,449 --> 01:02:39,840 continue to see the state level folks 1083 01:02:41,199 --> 01:02:44,239 going through all kinds of contortions and 1084 01:02:46,639 --> 01:02:49,519 trying to take money from other projects for their projects 1085 01:02:49,519 --> 01:02:52,400 all considered core governmental 1086 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:57,809 services and all because none of them have the the courage 1087 01:02:57,809 --> 01:03:03,119 to to stand up to these ultra conservative 1088 01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:06,739 groups that are saying no taxes no new taxes we've got to 1089 01:03:06,739 --> 01:03:11,519 cut taxes as if somehow you can build roads 1090 01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:17,909 without paying money for them great or or and so so this 1091 01:03:17,909 --> 01:03:19,679 region found another way to do it 1092 01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:25,429 by by the toll arrangements and in surprise surprise when 1093 01:03:25,429 --> 01:03:27,280 you live in a community like 1094 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,460 like mckinney or alan or some of those places where you can 1095 01:03:30,460 --> 01:03:32,320 't go anywhere on a highway without 1096 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:36,639 paying a toll they start getting a little upset about that 1097 01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:40,800 i mean who would have guessed so so as 1098 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,940 long as they continue to say well we're going to keep our 1099 01:03:44,940 --> 01:03:51,280 our fuel tax at a 1992 1993 rate even 1100 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,820 though we have more fuel efficient vehicles and cost of 1101 01:03:54,820 --> 01:03:57,119 construction keeps going up we're not going 1102 01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:00,239 to raise taxes to do any of this then we're going to 1103 01:04:00,239 --> 01:04:02,800 continue they're going to continue to to to 1104 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,619 we're going to continue to see these kinds of shenanigans 1105 01:04:06,619 --> 01:04:08,559 going on because they're not facing 1106 01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:11,059 reality and they don't have the courage to do so so a good 1107 01:04:11,059 --> 01:04:12,800 way to put that in perspective is 1108 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,789 the last 10 years we the the state of texas gave north 1109 01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:19,920 central texas area about seven billion dollars 1110 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,889 in revenue we took that seven billion dollars in revenue 1111 01:04:23,889 --> 01:04:26,159 used the tools that they gave us 1112 01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:28,559 and we put 21 billion dollars worth of roadways on the 1113 01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:31,760 ground this new 10 year cycle that we're 1114 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,130 talking about they gave us 6.9 7.2 depending on how you 1115 01:04:35,130 --> 01:04:37,119 look at so they give us another 10 1116 01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:39,789 seven billion dollars over the next 10 years but they've 1117 01:04:39,789 --> 01:04:42,000 removed the tools so we're going to be 1118 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,510 able to build seven billion dollars worth of projects for 1119 01:04:44,510 --> 01:04:46,400 seven billion dollars so they gave 1120 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,269 us a 66 percent reduction in our ability to put projects on 1121 01:04:50,269 --> 01:04:52,880 the ground for the next 10 years simply 1122 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,719 by removing the tools and our argument is we aren't asking 1123 01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:59,760 to build more toll lanes we're asking to add 1124 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:04,599 tolled managed lanes to our system within a defined 1125 01:05:04,599 --> 01:05:08,400 corridor that's only 30 percent of the region but 1126 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,619 has 70 percent of the population so there's a limited areas 1127 01:05:11,619 --> 01:05:14,079 that we want to use toll managed lanes 1128 01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:18,110 and the locals have said that's what we want the federal 1129 01:05:18,110 --> 01:05:20,639 government says texas you got to listen 1130 01:05:20,639 --> 01:05:23,400 to the locals that's why we created the metropolitan 1131 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,920 planning organization and so what they're doing is 1132 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,920 if if you try to move in with toll managed lanes because 1133 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,199 michael and the rtc could just fund them 1134 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,179 with category two category five and category seven because 1135 01:05:34,179 --> 01:05:36,159 those are all federal dollars and the state 1136 01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:39,800 can't control those so what they did was they simply took 1137 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,800 the projects out of the plan and you 1138 01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,639 can't put your money on a project that's not in the plan 1139 01:05:45,639 --> 01:05:47,920 and so there's this fight that's going on 1140 01:05:48,719 --> 01:05:51,619 and who knows where it's going to end but right now 1141 01:05:51,619 --> 01:05:55,039 everybody's got this collective holding their 1142 01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:59,019 breath wait until after march 6 to see what life has in 1143 01:05:59,019 --> 01:06:02,239 store for us i think what's more importantly 1144 01:06:02,239 --> 01:06:05,780 potentially devastating to us is who becomes the speaker of 1145 01:06:05,780 --> 01:06:08,960 the house because the last couple of 1146 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,309 times this chicanery was tried speaker strouse was able to 1147 01:06:13,309 --> 01:06:15,599 kill it if you get somebody a little 1148 01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:19,440 bit more hardline in there that are more like the patricks 1149 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,079 of the world and uh and mostly patrick 1150 01:06:22,639 --> 01:06:26,219 then i would say if you got a bond program you want to pass 1151 01:06:26,219 --> 01:06:28,079 pass it between now and signing 1152 01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:32,030 die next year because the laws are going to change right 1153 01:06:32,030 --> 01:06:33,920 well that was depressing 1154 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:39,599 anything else to add to the rtc update it was a sunny day 1155 01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:45,170 no ma'am okay do you have any other questions no ma'am all 1156 01:06:45,170 --> 01:06:49,679 right so no more toll lanes for us 1157 01:06:50,639 --> 01:06:55,519 item f dcta upcoming strategic plan planning session on the 1158 01:06:55,519 --> 01:06:56,320 matrix 1159 01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:03,460 say good this is staff reports i wasn't sure if the dcta 1160 01:07:03,460 --> 01:07:05,360 upcoming are you going to be doing that or 1161 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:07,940 okay 1162 01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:15,440 is 1163 01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:29,559 yeah if you could send in the informal staff report or a fr 1164 01:07:29,559 --> 01:07:30,719 iday report that would be good 1165 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,599 all right in terms of the uh matrix we've got a couple of 1166 01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:39,920 updates i think uh pre-ten was not here 1167 01:07:41,679 --> 01:07:45,679 to handle those two items if i'm not certain that would be 1168 01:07:45,679 --> 01:07:50,480 items seven and eight i do want 1169 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,969 to make a statement that uh pre-ten indicated you have an 1170 01:07:53,969 --> 01:07:56,800 update for the traffic condo for the march 1171 01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:04,050 six so with that so as far as both of those items go and a 1172 01:08:04,050 --> 01:08:06,800 pre-ten was prepared to give comments 1173 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,170 and remarks on both of them uh he had asked that we push 1174 01:08:10,170 --> 01:08:12,960 those comments to the next time this body 1175 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,219 meets just so that he can give that and he's got a better 1176 01:08:15,219 --> 01:08:17,119 understanding especially of the the school 1177 01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:21,420 zone item uh number eight number seven it really all refers 1178 01:08:21,420 --> 01:08:24,159 back to the speed study that has been 1179 01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:30,239 done by text dot but pre-tem has a much better idea of 1180 01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:31,600 where we're going with that one he could 1181 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,970 respond to it better than i could and so the traffic 1182 01:08:34,970 --> 01:08:37,199 calming art is going to be at our next 1183 01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:43,100 mobility meeting yes all right any questions about matrix 1184 01:08:43,100 --> 01:08:48,720 and on the on the this school zone on 380 1185 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,479 i don't know that those folks want it or need it they have 1186 01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,399 noddingham yes and nobody 1187 01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:00,010 i don't think there are any kids that walk around bikes to 1188 01:09:00,010 --> 01:09:02,079 that school but i'm i'm just curious is 1189 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,369 with the school sitting right there and with driveways 1190 01:09:05,369 --> 01:09:08,560 right there on 380 we we probably 1191 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:13,609 need to be aware and and not caught with somebody getting 1192 01:09:13,609 --> 01:09:16,880 hurt and what everybody wondering why 1193 01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,250 why was there no discussion ever about that absolutely and 1194 01:09:20,250 --> 01:09:22,319 when it comes to more private 1195 01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:25,689 schools or private schools that exist in the community one 1196 01:09:25,689 --> 01:09:27,279 of the issues that we're always 1197 01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:30,920 trying to balance with those is that they're not like our 1198 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,119 public schools where they have a 1199 01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:36,090 significant portion of pedestrian traffic there's some but 1200 01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:38,079 there's not near the commitment to that 1201 01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,090 so we'll i know pre-dem has been looking into that and i'll 1202 01:09:42,090 --> 01:09:43,119 make sure that we come back to you 1203 01:09:43,119 --> 01:09:46,220 with something more in depth on that one okay okay um if 1204 01:09:46,220 --> 01:09:51,119 there's anything else on item f then 1205 01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:54,020 we'll go to concluding items anything yeah i have a couple 1206 01:09:54,020 --> 01:09:55,680 if you don't mind um 1207 01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:02,359 i am i'm curious um if you know there was a time when we 1208 01:10:02,359 --> 01:10:07,279 were having some problems with gravel trucks 1209 01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:13,859 driving uh from decatur to the east and using a university 1210 01:10:13,859 --> 01:10:20,000 driver highway 380 and uh we had uh 1211 01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:26,479 put up signs saying truck route so that they would use um 1212 01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:31,439 loop 28 i heard that that um don't know this 1213 01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,479 to be a fact but i had heard that the police department was 1214 01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:38,079 uncomfortable with um giving 1215 01:10:38,079 --> 01:10:41,630 tickets because apparently a city can't pass an ordinance 1216 01:10:41,630 --> 01:10:44,800 that there's a truck route to take 1217 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:49,310 trucks off of a state highway but then i've also heard that 1218 01:10:49,310 --> 01:10:51,600 when uh mary denny was our state 1219 01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,020 representative down in austin that she got state 1220 01:10:55,020 --> 01:10:59,039 legislation passed designating uh loop 28 as a truck 1221 01:10:59,039 --> 01:11:04,329 route um i don't know if that's true or not but i would 1222 01:11:04,329 --> 01:11:08,880 appreciate staff doing some research on that 1223 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,880 i say that because i've been concerned since 380 got widen 1224 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,079 ed um that's that would be a pretty 1225 01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:23,409 pretty big invitation for for um for delivery trucks and 1226 01:11:23,409 --> 01:11:25,680 continuing gravel trucks because 1227 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,229 there's an awful lot of construction east of denton in the 1228 01:11:29,229 --> 01:11:33,920 380 corridor um that we look at that and 1229 01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,649 see what's going on and and i don't know if we have any 1230 01:11:38,649 --> 01:11:42,079 traffic studies coming up of what kind of 1231 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,989 truck traffic through truck traffic is happening i don't 1232 01:11:45,989 --> 01:11:48,479 even know how you do a study like that 1233 01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,680 but i bet you guys know how to do that so i'd like a little 1234 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,279 more information on that 1235 01:11:54,079 --> 01:11:58,250 another thing is um i don't know if it's just coincidence 1236 01:11:58,250 --> 01:12:00,479 or what but i was driving 1237 01:12:01,359 --> 01:12:07,130 around town a little bit this morning and i only saw eight 1238 01:12:07,130 --> 01:12:07,920 v bikes 1239 01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:13,800 dockless sheer bikes only eight of them so my question is 1240 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,399 have they already moved out 1241 01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:20,569 have we already uh uh have our rules already been such and 1242 01:12:20,569 --> 01:12:22,640 they looked at them and they said we're 1243 01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,460 we're we can't we can't make a business here so so what i'd 1244 01:12:26,460 --> 01:12:28,319 like at the next meeting is 1245 01:12:28,319 --> 01:12:32,140 is for somebody on staff to reach out to the various dock 1246 01:12:32,140 --> 01:12:35,760 less bike share programs uh to see 1247 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,479 well are you gonna are you gonna do business here or not 1248 01:12:43,119 --> 01:12:47,039 and and and based on what you hear we we might want to have 1249 01:12:47,039 --> 01:12:47,199 a 1250 01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,060 a chance for those folks each of those companies to come 1251 01:12:53,060 --> 01:12:55,359 and make a short presentation 1252 01:12:56,239 --> 01:13:00,479 to the mobility committee because if if we've already 1253 01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:04,239 managed to uh have an unintended consequence 1254 01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:06,640 of making them all go maybe that was the intended 1255 01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,359 consequence i didn't gather that from our council 1256 01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:14,890 that that we had that is there but but i'd like to know 1257 01:13:14,890 --> 01:13:18,079 that sure we can we can make that happen 1258 01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:20,340 and one of the reasons why pre-tem is not here is he's 1259 01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:24,560 going down to um cog for this afternoon's 1260 01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,659 bpac bike and pedestrian advisory committee and they 1261 01:13:28,659 --> 01:13:32,479 actually have a panel this this afternoon 1262 01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:36,439 related to various regulations associated with bike share 1263 01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:37,840 so there's going to be some industry 1264 01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,510 representatives there but we can certainly follow up a with 1265 01:13:40,510 --> 01:13:43,039 that report and then individual contacts 1266 01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:47,079 to each of the four minimum four bike share operators we've 1267 01:13:47,079 --> 01:13:49,279 been in touch with and it and 1268 01:13:49,279 --> 01:13:52,770 it could be that that it's just they pulled off those bikes 1269 01:13:52,770 --> 01:13:54,800 to put new stickers on them or 1270 01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,869 something but there's no bikes around the square and that 1271 01:13:56,869 --> 01:13:58,399 may be because of the construction that's 1272 01:13:58,399 --> 01:14:02,699 going on but i drove down to the transit center and i 1273 01:14:02,699 --> 01:14:06,159 counted uh six five i counted one that's 1274 01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:10,560 been parked over next to scrap uh uh lean up against a 1275 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,199 wallet scrap and i don't they don't seem 1276 01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:17,039 to mind the management there doesn't seem to mind but and 1277 01:14:17,039 --> 01:14:19,600 my family is not in any management at 1278 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:24,359 scrap and uh and we never we only lost money uh by by 1279 01:14:24,359 --> 01:14:27,680 volunteer time at scrap it's not a business 1280 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:31,979 for us but but i but i got thinking oh my gosh did we run 1281 01:14:31,979 --> 01:14:37,840 them off that quick that's it so on the 1282 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:42,680 first item i the been around a little while and part of the 1283 01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,920 model reason for doing 288 the way 1284 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,989 we were doing on the west we were looking at the northwest 1285 01:14:49,989 --> 01:14:52,479 quadrant as our initial phase and that 1286 01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:55,600 was back before buzz left tex dot and that was so that 1287 01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,840 because right now i do believe you have a 1288 01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:02,130 truck route that establishes the trucks to come 380 to 288 1289 01:15:02,130 --> 01:15:05,119 go up 288 hit 35 come south to 380 and 1290 01:15:05,119 --> 01:15:08,670 move through uh we just have to provide a madam chair i'm 1291 01:15:08,670 --> 01:15:10,960 thinking i'm getting a head nod from 1292 01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:15,640 our attorney we may be a little off the agenda no more on 1293 01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:20,880 the response you know we it's for a 1294 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:28,310 future meeting okay so i guess we can't discuss that i have 1295 01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:34,000 one item the dcca upcoming strategic 1296 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,619 call plan session planning session is actually tomorrow so 1297 01:15:37,619 --> 01:15:39,840 you don't need to put it in the friday 1298 01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:44,239 report point of clarification i mean maybe if there's like 1299 01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:46,880 a summary or something afterwards 1300 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,729 but i don't think it needs to be in this friday's report so 1301 01:15:49,729 --> 01:15:52,800 if there's no other concluding items then 1302 01:15:52,800 --> 01:16:00,960 meeting will stand adjourned at 12 48