WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.919 To order at 932, we're meeting at City Hall 215 East McKin 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.339 ney Street in Denton, and the first item on the agenda is to 00:00:10.339 --> 00:00:14.380 consider approval of the Mobility Committee of the Denton 00:00:14.380 --> 00:00:17.000 City Council meeting minutes from October the 10th. 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:19.000 I move for approval. 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:22.600 And I, well I can't second, but, but all those in favor 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:27.000 raise your hand. It passes unanimously. 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:34.060 With your permission, we're going to move to item G on the 00:00:34.060 --> 00:00:37.579 agenda, having to do with the TextDOT online system because 00:00:37.579 --> 00:00:42.679 we have some representatives from the, from TextDOT here to 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:44.000 talk about that. 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:48.109 And we can let them get back to work so that they can be 00:00:48.109 --> 00:00:52.869 getting those two lanes going to three lanes and making all 00:00:52.869 --> 00:00:55.000 of our citizens happy. 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:57.000 So, Mr. Nelson. 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:04.000 That's fine with me. 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:08.000 Good morning Mr. Chairman, Mobility Committee. 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:12.000 As you stated, we do have a couple of representatives from 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:17.189 the Denton area office, actually the project manager for 00:01:17.189 --> 00:01:18.000 TextDOT. 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:25.319 Brandon Barnett and then Jay Loomis is also here. What I'd 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:27.549 like to do rather than start from the very beginning, we 00:01:27.549 --> 00:01:30.469 can go ahead and push forward to that particular project, 00:01:30.469 --> 00:01:36.000 which is the 35E Brinker 288 Mayhill Project. 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:39.629 Yeah, and if you would, I suspect you're going to do this, 00:01:39.629 --> 00:01:42.920 but as we saw in the letter to the editor this morning, 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:46.510 there are people that are scratching their heads about why 00:01:46.510 --> 00:01:50.400 we had the project, Phase 1 basically completed with the 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:53.390 three lanes each direction except for that section where Br 00:01:53.390 --> 00:01:56.000 inker Road is going to be going under the interstate. 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:57.000 So if you could kind of explain that. 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:10.889 We can do that. I'll actually allow John Polster to walk 00:02:10.889 --> 00:02:24.000 through that, but again it was really a reassessment. 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:31.000 So this is the this is the particular project in question. 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:33.000 That's the I-35E Mayhill. 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:34.000 I think that's the wrong one. 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:39.000 Yep, you're right. 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:41.000 There we go. 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:43.000 Sorry about that. Appreciate your patience. 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:58.349 That's the I-35E Luke 28 Brinker Mayhill. We've kind of 00:02:58.349 --> 00:02:59.729 identified this as a Phase 1B as you know, AGL has 00:02:59.729 --> 00:03:01.500 substantially completed the 35 Express Project, which is 00:03:01.500 --> 00:03:06.110 the larger project with the 28 mile project from 635 in 00:03:06.110 --> 00:03:09.000 Dallas all the way up to 380 here in Denton. 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:12.889 And so in fact they just had the ribbon cutting last week 00:03:12.889 --> 00:03:15.000 down at Highland Village. 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:18.939 And so again, there's a handful of nominal items, cleanup 00:03:18.939 --> 00:03:22.750 items that AGL is doing up and down the corridor, but they 00:03:22.750 --> 00:03:25.000 are substantially complete. 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:27.879 You've got an update in the back of your packet that talks 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:31.000 about the medallions, which is the aesthetic project. 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:36.530 It looks like they'll be completing that towards supposedly 00:03:36.530 --> 00:03:40.759 mounted the UNT medallions this week and then they'll mount 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:42.000 the Denton medallions next week. 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.520 But all that to say is that they do have a handful of other 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:49.360 nominal projects, cleanup projects on the 35 Express 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:52.000 Project that they'll be completing. 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:57.539 But this particular project, Phase 1, what we've called it 00:03:57.539 --> 00:04:02.900 as Phase 1B, is essentially was established or came after 00:04:02.900 --> 00:04:07.560 the fact or while we're, after the project had already been 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:12.229 let, the 35 Express Project, whereby the city of Denton was 00:04:12.229 --> 00:04:16.439 requesting TxDOT to take a second look at some of the 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:21.000 intersections and mobility issues associated with 288. 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:25.550 And Brinker, we had a funding opportunity to work with a 00:04:25.550 --> 00:04:29.790 developer as well as with the county and then TxDOT to 00:04:29.790 --> 00:04:33.000 advance that particular project. 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:37.540 And so again, what this particular project does is it opens 00:04:37.540 --> 00:04:42.000 up the 288 intersection to its full complement. 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:44.000 It pushes through Brinker just south of there. 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.339 There had been a Texas turnaround that was about a thousand 00:04:47.339 --> 00:04:50.000 feet further south towards the hospital. 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.550 It was just going to be a turnaround northbound, southbound 00:04:52.550 --> 00:04:54.000 , southbound, northbound. 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.360 But we requested to push that further north and connect to 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:02.089 Brinker, which would provide some additional mobility 00:05:02.089 --> 00:05:06.180 capacity for the retail area up near the mall, an 00:05:06.180 --> 00:05:10.079 alternative route to Loop 288 accessing northbound, south 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:16.100 bound 35, as well as adding a Texas turnaround at Mayhill to 00:05:16.100 --> 00:05:19.000 provide a little bit more capacity for that particular 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:19.000 intersection. 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:22.329 So with that, I'd like to turn it over to John Polster and 00:05:22.329 --> 00:05:25.370 kind of walk through that where we are at this point in 00:05:25.370 --> 00:05:26.000 time. 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:32.120 So at the beginning of the project, we had about $1.1, $1.2 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:36.000 billion to try to do a $5 billion project. 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:39.000 So we had to find some economy skills. 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:42.790 There were some project components that were not included 00:05:42.790 --> 00:05:46.680 in the original scope of the project, 288 being one of 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:48.000 those projects. 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:52.000 We added projects throughout the life of the contract. 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:56.540 We added direct connects at 121, the collector distributor, 00:05:56.540 --> 00:06:00.000 the post oak bridge, as the revenues came online. 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.790 The revenues for this particular improvement came late 00:06:03.790 --> 00:06:07.439 enough into the contract with AGL that TechStop did not 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:11.029 want to add any additional scope of services to the AGL 00:06:11.029 --> 00:06:12.000 contract. 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:15.790 So they went and had a separate contract done and OHL got 00:06:15.790 --> 00:06:17.000 that project. 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:21.250 And so OHL essentially takes over for AGL in that segment 00:06:21.250 --> 00:06:26.000 from just right around Mayhill to just north of 288. 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:30.000 The improvements that are lacking in the corridor right now 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:33.589 compared to the other parts of 35 to the north and south 00:06:33.589 --> 00:06:37.000 there are improvements that had AGL put those in, 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:39.629 OHL in another two or three months would be coming in and 00:06:39.629 --> 00:06:42.279 ripping out because we're going to be bringing in field 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:45.000 dirt there and raising the elevation of 35. 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.540 So where the main lanes are now will be under a lot of dirt 00:06:48.540 --> 00:06:50.000 and a lot of field. 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:54.329 So TechStop decided to take that part of the contract that 00:06:54.329 --> 00:06:58.870 AGL had to resurface and add the third lane and put it in 00:06:58.870 --> 00:07:01.560 the OHL contract because ultimately OHL would be doing that 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:02.000 anyway. 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:06.660 So the timing isn't perfect, but funding is never perfect 00:07:06.660 --> 00:07:10.000 in timing as well and that's the issue. 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.889 We got the money later in the process, we decided to go 00:07:12.889 --> 00:07:15.000 ahead and bite the bullet and do it. 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:19.509 So we knew there would be a period of time where the 00:07:19.509 --> 00:07:24.779 segment between 288 and Mayhill would be less useful as 00:07:24.779 --> 00:07:27.000 those sections to the north and south. 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.000 So that's kind of where we're at. 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:34.000 So as this project moves forward, we started with OHL. 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:38.000 We've got a timeline that we're trying to address. 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:42.769 This says February. We currently, TechStop is not accepting 00:07:42.769 --> 00:07:44.000 that timeline. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.000 The contract says August of '18. 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:52.480 OHL and TechStop are working to create a recovery schedule 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:56.000 to get it back into the summer of 2018. 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:58.930 And with that, we're going to be talking about another 00:07:58.930 --> 00:08:02.279 topic that is going to impact the city for the duration of 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:03.000 the project. 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:06.790 And that is we have to, in order to come in and make these 00:08:06.790 --> 00:08:11.779 improvements, go back to some of the closures that we had 00:08:11.779 --> 00:08:14.000 during the cycle for AGL. 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:17.920 One of those is the fact that we're going to have to be 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:23.810 closing down Dallas Drive as it goes into 35 Southbound out 00:08:23.810 --> 00:08:25.000 of downtown. 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:29.000 And that notice will be given today. 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:32.470 Ten days from today, the contract requires that to be 00:08:32.470 --> 00:08:33.000 closed. 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.779 And then the contractor will begin to move the Southbound 00:08:37.779 --> 00:08:40.950 frontage road to its new location so they can start moving 00:08:40.950 --> 00:08:43.509 the Southbound main lanes and then the northbound main 00:08:43.509 --> 00:08:44.000 lanes. 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:49.899 And so when we presented this, you know, pre-Tem didn't get 00:08:49.899 --> 00:08:55.240 to experience the joy and pleasure of going through all the 00:08:55.240 --> 00:09:00.000 traffic control meetings first through with AGL. 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:04.080 And so when he saw that we were proposing to shut down 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:09.000 Dallas Drive after we revived him, got him off the floor, 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.169 he started saying that, you know, we needed to look at 00:09:11.169 --> 00:09:12.000 alternatives. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:16.039 So we met yesterday. There's really, there's no really good 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:17.000 alternatives. 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:19.000 We have to shut it down. 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:24.360 And if we move too much of the closures and the phasing of 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:28.000 this project, too much more than what we've already got, 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:30.500 there's a jeopardy that it'll push our schedule back into 00:09:30.500 --> 00:09:32.000 the 2019 time frame. 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:35.000 So we're trying to hold to that schedule. 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:39.610 So I've got Brandon Barnett and Jay Loomis here. They're 00:09:39.610 --> 00:09:43.000 the project managers for this project. 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.080 We just want to let you know that come 10 days from now, 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:51.000 Dallas Drive closes. That'll put pressure on on Teasley. 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:55.679 That'll put pressure on, you know, 288. And then at some 00:09:55.679 --> 00:10:00.000 point during this process, 288 will become less habitable 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:04.000 because we have to reconstruct that bridge across 35. 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:09.539 So it's just going to be a pretty rough 12 months. So pre- 00:10:09.539 --> 00:10:12.000 10 wanted us to come tell you. 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.000 Shawn, before you hear it from the public. 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:19.179 One of the things that may be helpful is if you or Brandon 00:10:19.179 --> 00:10:24.000 can talk about the phasing of the southbound frontage road, 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:27.980 then the shifting of the traffic and then how how and when, 00:10:27.980 --> 00:10:33.000 or at least the schedule proposes a brinker than 288. 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:36.190 Well, if that's okay, I want to ask Brandon come up to the 00:10:36.190 --> 00:10:41.000 mic to do that because he's the man with the plan. 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.000 Good morning. 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.879 As John said, my name is Brandon Barnett. I'm the project 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:48.000 manager out there on this project. 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:51.149 The phase into this project starts with building the new 00:10:51.149 --> 00:10:52.000 frontage road. 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:55.000 Wanted to make sure your mic was on. 00:10:55.000 --> 00:11:00.139 Is building new frontage road just from south of Goodwill 00:11:00.139 --> 00:11:03.000 to just past the achievers. 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.000 We're going to be putting in new frontage road there. 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:09.210 Matter of fact, we're looking probably about the first week 00:11:09.210 --> 00:11:11.000 we're going to have that road. 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:14.360 You're going to see the new asphalt down and we're going to 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:16.000 be starting that shift. 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:19.330 The shift goes with the existing frontage road moving over 00:11:19.330 --> 00:11:21.000 to the new frontage road. 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:25.000 The southbound main lanes move to the old frontage road. 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:29.000 The northbound main lanes go to the southbound side. 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:33.179 So you're we're transitioning everyone over to the south 00:11:33.179 --> 00:11:35.000 bound side of I-35E. 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:38.049 So that means I've got to get northbound over to the south, 00:11:38.049 --> 00:11:41.360 not only on the south end, but when we get up to the north 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:44.000 end at 77, they're on the south side. 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:47.000 And I've got to get back over to the north side. 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:52.000 That's the reason for the closure of the 77 entrance. 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.940 Once that's done, now I've got to move everyone back to the 00:11:54.940 --> 00:11:56.000 northbound side. 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:59.360 That means I've got to take southbound and move them to the 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:00.000 north. 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:06.809 And so having that entrance come in is detrimental to not 00:12:06.809 --> 00:12:11.309 only the traveling public, but to us working there and 00:12:11.309 --> 00:12:14.000 building these transitions and getting the traffic. 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:17.789 So what we're trying to do is minimize as much moving as 00:12:17.789 --> 00:12:21.000 possible with the traffic with the public. 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:25.090 Essentially what we're doing is we're moving the main lanes 00:12:25.090 --> 00:12:26.000 to the south. 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.870 And then we're going to be building the structure for the 00:12:28.870 --> 00:12:30.000 northbound side. 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:33.929 Yes. Once that's done, then we'll move the traffic back to 00:12:33.929 --> 00:12:37.000 the to the I guess I'm going to say the west. 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:38.000 And then we'll do the same thing. 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:41.620 You all have seen it when we did 35, when we did North 00:12:41.620 --> 00:12:44.000 Texas Boulevard and McCormick. 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:46.200 We moved the traffic to one side, build part of the bridge, 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.419 move the traffic to the other side, build the other part of 00:12:48.419 --> 00:12:49.000 the bridge. 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:55.950 So during that phase shifting, interjecting that Dallas 00:12:55.950 --> 00:12:59.509 Drive, which is already still a difficult movement with the 00:12:59.509 --> 00:13:03.120 reduced number of lanes we have there, is problematic to 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:05.000 the phasing of the project. 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.000 So they have to close it. 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:11.440 You'll be able to then go make the U-turn, come back to Te 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:12.000 asley. 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.539 And then if you want to go south, make the U-turn and go 00:13:14.539 --> 00:13:16.000 back around going south. 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:22.000 And we talked to Preetem about maybe once we get this 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:26.360 closure established that he could go back and look at ways 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:30.590 to tweak the signals to try to encourage people to go in a 00:13:30.590 --> 00:13:35.649 direction that he feels is more conducive to reducing road 00:13:35.649 --> 00:13:36.000 rage. 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:43.000 I think it would be very helpful. 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:45.909 Thank you, by the way, for being here and sharing that 00:13:45.909 --> 00:13:47.000 information with us. 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:50.789 I was wondering about what appeared to be, as I was driving 00:13:50.789 --> 00:13:54.379 past it the other day, in front of where the Buc-E's will 00:13:54.379 --> 00:13:55.000 be. 00:13:55.000 --> 00:14:00.000 That's where those new service roads are. 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:02.000 Frontage roads. 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:04.679 I understand that people call them different things in 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:06.000 different locations. 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:08.000 They do. 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:11.870 I think it would be really helpful for our public 00:14:11.870 --> 00:14:16.669 information office to craft some really important 00:14:16.669 --> 00:14:21.289 information that would go out in a press release to the 00:14:21.289 --> 00:14:26.000 papers and also show up on our website. 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:30.269 And I think that some of the things that are important to 00:14:30.269 --> 00:14:35.179 put in there is that the 35 Project started as a $5 billion 00:14:35.179 --> 00:14:39.000 project with $1.2 billion in funding. 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.000 Things had to be cut. 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:44.000 So it was a Phase 1 and a Phase 2. 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:49.309 And that after Phase 1 came out and was approved, we 00:14:49.309 --> 00:14:52.000 continued here locally. 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.019 I think this is important, that we continue to work here 00:14:56.019 --> 00:15:00.090 locally to add some elements that were very important to 00:15:00.090 --> 00:15:02.000 mobility within the city. 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:07.120 And that we were able to actually squeeze in the Post Oak 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.000 Bridge in Phase 1. 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:17.039 And that we crafted a Phase 1B to get intersections at Loop 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:20.000 288, Brinker, and at Mayhill. 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:25.529 And that the Brinker intersection will provide access to 00:15:25.529 --> 00:15:31.049 all of those hotels on what we, I suppose, call the north 00:15:31.049 --> 00:15:32.000 side. 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:36.000 The northbound side. 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:38.000 Oh, that's a good way of putting it. 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:39.000 Thank you. 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:42.000 You must have done this before. 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:46.000 So all of the hotels and the restaurants on the northbound 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.159 side and the new commercial developments that's going in on 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.000 the southbound side. 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:55.059 We can say new commercial development so that we don't have 00:15:55.059 --> 00:15:58.840 to say Buc-E's, which causes some people to get a little 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:00.000 bit anxious. 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:05.389 So anyway, I think if we could get that kind of information 00:16:05.389 --> 00:16:10.129 out on the website in a press release and maybe in the 00:16:10.129 --> 00:16:12.000 upcoming one of the -- 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:17.909 I know that space is really an issue in the utility packet, 00:16:17.909 --> 00:16:20.000 the utility bill. 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:24.250 But if part of that information could also be, we could 00:16:24.250 --> 00:16:28.429 take -- citizens of Denton could take a little bit of 00:16:28.429 --> 00:16:32.710 pressure off of this if we just decided that we were not 00:16:32.710 --> 00:16:38.000 going to use 35 to get out to Bill Elder Ford. 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.000 There's another way to do that. 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:42.000 We can do that a different way. 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:45.000 [ Inaudible ] 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:53.129 Okay. So one positive scenario that's going to happen with 00:16:53.129 --> 00:16:56.220 these closures is that your in-town mobility will be 00:16:56.220 --> 00:16:59.000 different and somewhat more arduous. 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:03.490 But the actual traffic on 35 will experience a little bit 00:17:03.490 --> 00:17:07.440 of a relief because right now we have three lanes going 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.000 into two and 77 coming in. 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:13.000 There's that conflict that's occurring. 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:16.789 Once we close 77, we start moving these lanes to where they 00:17:16.789 --> 00:17:21.430 're supposed to be, the traffic that's on 35 will have a 00:17:21.430 --> 00:17:26.000 little bit better experience than your residents. 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:31.920 Have we had any feedback from citizens about the current 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:38.599 exit off of northbound 35 onto Dallas Drive where there are 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:44.000 these two lanes that very quickly go to one lane? 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:48.960 It was a shock and I had a -- there was somewhat of a p 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:52.000 ucker factor there for me. 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:54.000 So have you had any feedback? 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:56.000 Is that the technical term? 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:02.000 I learned it from you, sir. 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:06.660 So the process that Texas is going through right now with A 00:18:06.660 --> 00:18:11.119 GL is they're going to put together a punch list item for 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:14.000 the entire 30-mile corridor. 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.519 And then once they get that done, before they determine 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:20.980 this project is -- punch list is done or the total that's 00:18:20.980 --> 00:18:24.670 in it's going to be done and they do substantial completion 00:18:24.670 --> 00:18:27.579 , they're going to come back to the city of Denton, they're 00:18:27.579 --> 00:18:30.549 going to come back to Louisville and the lake cities, and 00:18:30.549 --> 00:18:34.650 they're going to seek to get y'all's input on what y'all 00:18:34.650 --> 00:18:36.849 think are issues that need to be resolved before the 00:18:36.849 --> 00:18:38.000 contract is closed. 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:43.089 That's been one item that we've already tagged at TechStat, 00:18:43.089 --> 00:18:46.000 the strategic project office. 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:48.000 But like I said, you'll have another shot at it. 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:50.880 But yeah, those are the types of things during this punch 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:53.000 list item that we want to get resolved. 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:57.930 So when we get comments from citizens, to whom should we 00:18:57.930 --> 00:19:02.000 direct those so that they get put in the mix? 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:14.000 You can go ahead and -- 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.000 So we'll get you that email address. 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.000 You need to have your microphone on when you speak. 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:20.160 Dalton, we'll get you that email address and you can go 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:21.000 ahead and CC me. 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:22.000 Okay. 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.890 So if we send it to Brandon Barnett and then CC me, I'll 00:19:25.890 --> 00:19:30.089 work then internally whether I need to work with Mr. Pol 00:19:30.089 --> 00:19:33.000 ster or with Todd Estes or pre-Tim in terms of other issues. 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:35.789 Yeah, the only thing I would say is that if you've got a 00:19:35.789 --> 00:19:38.690 concern that a citizen has given to you, you don't need to 00:19:38.690 --> 00:19:41.069 worry about who it needs to go to, per se, because you've 00:19:41.069 --> 00:19:42.000 got a city to run. 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:43.670 You know that you've got to get it to Mark or Mario and 00:19:43.670 --> 00:19:45.000 then we'll get it to the right folks. 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:46.000 Okay. 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:49.180 So that's what I'd suggest is get it to your right staff 00:19:49.180 --> 00:19:52.000 member and then we'll get the answer for it. 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:53.000 Okay. 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:56.789 We'll funnel them all to you guys and then you all can send 00:19:56.789 --> 00:19:59.000 them out and get them lined up. 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:00.000 Okay. 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:01.000 Okay. 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:03.000 Go ahead. 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.000 Do you have anything? 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:09.130 We are -- both of the members present today are under the 00:20:09.130 --> 00:20:10.000 weather. 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:18.000 I am not practicing for some kind of special phone work. 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:25.000 I can't believe I said that. 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:30.299 So I'm going to -- we can go ahead and scroll through and 00:20:30.299 --> 00:20:36.069 finish this particular item with commentary from Mr. Pol 00:20:36.069 --> 00:20:37.000 ster. 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:40.000 Okay. 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:45.000 I will go quickly. 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:49.000 So we have the 2181 North-South project. 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:52.410 We have the pre-construction meeting that occurred October 00:20:52.410 --> 00:20:53.000 5th. 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:58.059 The MCM has worked with the city to get their batch plant 00:20:58.059 --> 00:21:04.470 permit established and the timeline we got for the other 00:21:04.470 --> 00:21:05.000 day started November 6th. 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:07.980 And I haven't got that in the report because I sent this 00:21:07.980 --> 00:21:10.910 report out and then they told us they started time on 00:21:10.910 --> 00:21:12.000 November 6th. 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:14.000 So your contract starts. 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:19.960 It's the 674 working days and we will start putting in the 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:25.000 report, an actual construction report from MCM. 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:30.029 But like I say, their contract time started November 6th 00:21:30.029 --> 00:21:34.539 and they are excited about the batch plant being in the 00:21:34.539 --> 00:21:36.000 right place. 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:39.539 The Fort Worth Drive project, we are looking at a May ready 00:21:39.539 --> 00:21:41.000 to let on this issue. 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:45.180 We're getting down to the very last part of our 00:21:45.180 --> 00:21:49.000 negotiations with UP on the Exhibit A. 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:54.390 We went from 176 comments to about 79 and we got those down 00:21:54.390 --> 00:21:59.900 to about 34 and only about 17 are comments that we think 00:21:59.900 --> 00:22:01.000 are major. 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:05.130 So we feel fairly confident by spring of next year this 00:22:05.130 --> 00:22:08.000 project is let for construction. 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:11.000 And your utilities are on page five. 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:14.839 They are all in that same zone from being cleared long 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:17.000 before the project is let. 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:20.789 And again, remember we're using, the contract will be used 00:22:20.789 --> 00:22:25.430 and the city will be using the contractor to install y'all 00:22:25.430 --> 00:22:28.000 's utilities in that project. 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:34.599 Your 2499 section five, we're still on a December timeframe 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:35.000 . 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:39.470 We have the signal at Robinson Road, the plans for the 00:22:39.470 --> 00:22:43.000 location of it, where the poles go. 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:49.380 The material has been ordered and as we receive it, Weber 00:22:49.380 --> 00:22:53.930 will be installing those and working with your traffic 00:22:53.930 --> 00:22:58.000 engineer to make sure they get set and established. 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:00.000 We have a question. 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:03.859 December, early December, late December, do we know or is 00:23:03.859 --> 00:23:06.000 it just whenever in December? 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:08.000 I'm just kind of getting it. 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:09.000 December. 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:10.000 Okay. 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:12.000 Probably closer towards the end, right? 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:14.000 Towards the end, okay. 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:18.440 So we don't want to open the road without the signal 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:20.000 functioning. 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:21.000 Right. 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:24.890 So the contractor was pretty much getting done with what he 00:23:24.890 --> 00:23:28.690 's got to do at that section just where it ties into Mayhill 00:23:28.690 --> 00:23:29.000 . 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:33.869 So we're just coordinating some of the punch list items so 00:23:33.869 --> 00:23:38.079 that it doesn't close until we get, I mean it doesn't open 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:40.000 until we get the signal installed. 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:45.000 So the signal is kind of the critical path. 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.000 So it's tight. 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:53.900 And pre-tem, weren't they pouring the foundations for those 00:23:53.900 --> 00:23:54.000 ? 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:55.000 No. 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:57.000 Yes, they have the locations. 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:00.630 When he submitted the 60% plans, that gives you the 00:24:00.630 --> 00:24:03.910 location and all the specs they need for the actual 00:24:03.910 --> 00:24:05.000 foundation. 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:07.759 So it's just about when we get the material in and then it 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:10.000 doesn't take long to get them installed. 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:14.970 The long lead is usually the order of the material and 00:24:14.970 --> 00:24:18.000 getting it in for the signal. 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:21.000 So it's December. 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:22.000 Yeah. 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.789 So we've already submitted the 90% plans and Tech started 00:24:25.789 --> 00:24:27.000 reviewing that. 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.400 I was just saying, when you submitted the 60, that's all 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:33.000 they needed in order to do the foundations. 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:36.890 And the other thing that we're delayed for the materials is 00:24:36.890 --> 00:24:41.430 because of Hurricane Harvey, Houston is more of all the 00:24:41.430 --> 00:24:45.000 materials going in that direction. 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.000 We're the last ones on the list to get the material. 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:54.029 So there's at least a two to three week delay in getting 00:24:54.029 --> 00:24:58.000 material for signal equipment. 00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:04.000 OK, so your 35A Mayhill 2499 improvements. 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:07.000 This just was like, what, last Thursday? 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:13.059 Your city manager and staff met with Michael on all things 00:25:13.059 --> 00:25:14.000 Mayhill. 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:19.000 And we should be getting a letter sometime this week saying 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:23.420 that COG is going to help us with the funding on the actual 00:25:23.420 --> 00:25:26.710 bridge at Mayhill in 35 to go to the ultimate width of May 00:25:26.710 --> 00:25:27.000 hill. 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:31.000 So it'll be two less, two throughs and two use. 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:37.119 And then the grade separation at Mayhill from the four lane 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:41.000 section across the DCTA facility. 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:44.000 So it was very productive meeting. 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:48.809 And COG seems very interested in putting investment in this 00:25:48.809 --> 00:25:53.420 corridor where they've got a significant amount of their 00:25:53.420 --> 00:25:58.420 resources invested because 2499 to the south is an RTR 00:25:58.420 --> 00:26:01.000 project, Mayhill to the north is an RTR project. 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:04.789 So we should be able to have in writing some good news in 00:26:04.789 --> 00:26:08.410 the next four or five days that the COG staff is going to 00:26:08.410 --> 00:26:12.089 be recommending a funding opportunity for these two 00:26:12.089 --> 00:26:13.000 projects. 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:15.619 And just to clarify that is Michael Morris, director of 00:26:15.619 --> 00:26:19.000 transportation for North Central Texas Council. 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:20.000 What did I say? 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:21.000 Michael. 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:25.000 I thought there was only one Michael. 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:30.000 Unless you don't count the archangel. 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:36.000 All right, so we already talked about the Brinker project. 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.000 We'll skip that one. 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:43.000 So 35 north, there's also a significant push. 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:48.119 We had when we had the riveting cutting for 35 V sometime 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:49.000 last week. 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.000 Wednesday. 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:52.000 Last Wednesday. 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:57.000 I lived it. 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:01.000 We had Chairman Bug in attendance. 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:04.960 And in that conversation, we were able to have we had Bill 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:08.000 Hale there from his chief engineer now. 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:12.039 We have Brian Barr, former DOS district employee, former 00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:14.000 district engineer, Fort Worth and then Kelly Salmon. 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:19.000 We were able to do some conversations and I think there is 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:24.339 some interest in the commission not looking silly by having 00:27:24.339 --> 00:27:28.400 35 in the Wichita Falls district, which is just north of us 00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:30.000 out of our county to the Oakland area. 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.519 To the Oklahoma border being six lanes and then from three 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.420 80 south, their improvements and this segment being left 00:27:37.420 --> 00:27:38.000 out. 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:44.279 So they're in the process of looking at a new funding round 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:46.000 for large projects. 00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:49.980 And we feel fairly confident we should get some news here 00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:53.940 in probably the next four to six months that this segment 00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:58.180 is not only coming close to being cleared by next year, but 00:27:58.180 --> 00:28:04.000 that there should be a funding source identified for it. 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:09.160 That's big because you all see right now, once we get the 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:14.900 brinker to to Mayhill improvements done or may help 288 00:28:14.900 --> 00:28:20.609 done your next big problem on 35 is that wishbone tying for 00:28:20.609 --> 00:28:23.000 35 W up to 288. 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:27.000 That this was this will fix that problem. 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.440 Okay, so your in town is open to be doing a punch list 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:34.440 items, probably after this month we'll leave it in one more 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:38.039 time and have a big green complete on it so it looks like 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:40.000 we can celebrate on that. 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:43.630 And so the question is, I mean sometimes what we'll do is 00:28:43.630 --> 00:28:47.210 see if the locals want to do like a ribbon cutting or some 00:28:47.210 --> 00:28:49.000 kind of celebration. 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:53.440 If you want to, we can do that if you don't, you don't have 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:55.000 to decide today. 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:58.160 Some people don't want to be associated with that road. I 00:28:58.160 --> 00:28:59.000 understand. 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:02.000 Just throwing it out there. 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:06.000 And then, 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.000 I'm calling this the, 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:10.000 the Briggs improvement, 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.000 because 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:28.000 these are the and we met with the area office last Tuesday 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:28.000 or whatever we had our technical committee meeting, and 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:28.000 they are going to be getting me a schedule on when they 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:28.000 want to do this because this is something they're going to 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:28.000 do just with their maintenance. 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:32.000 People, and it's just something they're going to do. 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:33.730 So I'll get a schedule. They're working on schedule for us 00:29:33.730 --> 00:29:38.640 on that. So this is actually going to happen in a near term 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:39.000 . 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.789 So we believe that to be in the 90 to 120 day or certainly 00:29:42.789 --> 00:29:46.069 within six months. So what will happen is if they decided 00:29:46.069 --> 00:29:49.079 to do with asphalt, we're going into the cold weather 00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:50.000 timeframe. 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:53.609 So we got to work out some logistics on what it is we're 00:29:53.609 --> 00:29:55.000 actually going to do. 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:58.000 And then they'll tell us what the schedule is. 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.000 There's only certain times you do asphalt. 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:05.079 All the improvements will be done to the inside on tech 00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:09.430 start right away we're looking at maybe making it where we 00:30:09.430 --> 00:30:10.000 avoid 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:16.000 avoid that, that control box in the median. 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:20.750 That's the city's, I think it's part of their signal and 00:30:20.750 --> 00:30:23.000 equipment. 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:28.910 The East, this project is fully funded at a little over $ 00:30:28.910 --> 00:30:32.609 130 million. It's been designed in house in the green 00:30:32.609 --> 00:30:34.000 section. 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:38.079 But the third floor, I think, is doing that. So it's fairly 00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:40.000 easy, straightforward. 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.000 When you say in house, that's text up in house text. 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:54.000 I apologize. The blue section is being done by text. And it 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:54.000 is they've got two firms, trans systems and white oak 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:54.000 engineers doing the blue section for PS and E. 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:59.000 There's a total of 114 parcels in both segments. 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:02.789 I think there's like 89 in the blue and balances in the in 00:31:02.789 --> 00:31:04.000 the in the green. 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.000 And so that's your critical path. 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:10.630 We're looking at having an environment cleared the summer 00:31:10.630 --> 00:31:12.000 of 2018. 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.150 But there's a significant amount of right away to be 00:31:15.150 --> 00:31:16.000 acquired. 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:20.000 And we're looking at they're saying a year and hopefully 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:25.299 because I know that Frisco and little L and Solana and 00:31:25.299 --> 00:31:28.000 prosper have been 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:31.809 because that's where all the active developments going in 00:31:31.809 --> 00:31:35.779 have been doing fairly aggressive setback requirements for 00:31:35.779 --> 00:31:37.000 that quarter. 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.430 So we feel like this the right away, although there are 00:31:40.430 --> 00:31:44.170 large, large number of parcels, most of the people are 00:31:44.170 --> 00:31:48.339 already aware and have been preparing for the fact that 00:31:48.339 --> 00:31:50.000 they're going to get the right away acquired. 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:53.170 A lot of it's commercial. And so we think we can expedite 00:31:53.170 --> 00:31:54.000 that time frame. 00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:55.000 That's the issue. 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:59.680 Question. So I know that this section was widened several 00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:00.000 years back. 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:06.569 So with a situation like that, did they plan that this soon 00:32:06.569 --> 00:32:10.000 it would need to be widened again? 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:14.109 Was that part of the thought process or did this just kind 00:32:14.109 --> 00:32:18.869 of sneak up quicker than it snuck up on the council 00:32:18.869 --> 00:32:23.579 governments, it did not sneak up on the folks in Denton 00:32:23.579 --> 00:32:24.000 County that were pushing this project. 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:28.480 Because years ago we were we were trying to get additional 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:33.000 funding for 380 and we're talking 15 years ago. 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:37.480 And we made the mistake of having a meeting out here in the 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.000 middle of the day. 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:43.710 We brought the director of transportation out there and he 00:32:43.710 --> 00:32:48.299 was not convinced that the need existed. He said this is 00:32:48.299 --> 00:32:53.369 the only facility seen that could actually land at 747 on 00:32:53.369 --> 00:32:54.000 it. 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:55.000 Nobody got hurt. 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.000 That's that was his argument. 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.369 We were arguing that we knew what was coming. We were 00:33:01.369 --> 00:33:04.579 arguing that they've always kind of soft played our 00:33:04.579 --> 00:33:08.349 demographics for whatever reason they always do that to the 00:33:08.349 --> 00:33:10.000 northern counties. 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.789 We tried for a very long time to get this project funded 00:33:13.789 --> 00:33:17.210 and the first time we did it where we went to the four 00:33:17.210 --> 00:33:21.079 lanes with the wide median. It literally took an act of 00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:25.240 Congress because the Corps of Engineers were adamant about 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.000 not allowing 380 to widen. 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:32.269 And so back back then and there was at one point when we 00:33:32.269 --> 00:33:37.160 were doing this constructing what we got approved where the 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:41.579 text that area engineer called and said that the Corps of 00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:44.140 Engineers says that they're bringing out the US Marshals to 00:33:44.140 --> 00:33:46.750 stop them from working because they're outside of their 00:33:46.750 --> 00:33:48.000 permit area. 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:52.000 And one of the county to help. 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:55.789 So we called the our congressional office and worked on 00:33:55.789 --> 00:34:00.140 that so we knew that 380 was an issue for a long time. We 00:34:00.140 --> 00:34:03.569 just couldn't get the region to understand what was going 00:34:03.569 --> 00:34:04.000 on. 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.000 So now we're catching up. 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:08.000 Okay. 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:11.860 And there's literally, if you look at the demographics here 00:34:11.860 --> 00:34:16.659 we're already at 75,000 cars a day in 2035. So we were 00:34:16.659 --> 00:34:20.179 trying to do a freeway at one point, didn't county gave 00:34:20.179 --> 00:34:23.570 almost a million dollars to call in county because they 00:34:23.570 --> 00:34:28.000 were doing a study to do turn 380 into a freeway. 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:32.559 And so we paid for our part of the study to do a controlled 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:34.000 access facility. 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:40.559 And McKinney and prosper and Frisco at the time balked at a 00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.000 freeway. 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.219 And so calling county backed away from doing a freeway 00:34:45.219 --> 00:34:49.210 segment. So, then we went today. If you're not going to do 00:34:49.210 --> 00:34:51.909 the work give us our money back because we've made the 00:34:51.909 --> 00:34:54.000 mistake of up front in the payment. 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.150 And it took us a long time to get the money back so we were 00:34:57.150 --> 00:34:59.000 actually trying to design. 00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:04.909 380 is a freeway so what we ended up with is that a hint 00:35:04.909 --> 00:35:07.000 mark where you get me to go on. 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.099 Okay, quick. So what we ended up with is a compromise what 00:35:10.099 --> 00:35:13.809 we have is what's called a super street structure. So we're 00:35:13.809 --> 00:35:19.250 going to have a great separations that till legacy for 237 00:35:19.250 --> 00:35:21.000 20 and Navo. 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.559 So in those major arterials that come and hit 380 you will 00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:27.659 not have to stop for cross street traffic they will come 00:35:27.659 --> 00:35:31.340 either under over. Come on ramps and get on the facility so 00:35:31.340 --> 00:35:35.320 we're eliminating as many of the complex as possible you'll 00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:39.480 still have mayhill you'll still have, you know, some other 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:42.000 small roads but 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.900 that'll help with the traffic right we'll get pretend to 00:35:44.900 --> 00:35:47.909 cheat all those signals that he can, so that if you come up 00:35:47.909 --> 00:35:50.539 to that facility at that street you'll try to go to one 00:35:50.539 --> 00:35:53.570 that has a great separation next time because you don't get 00:35:53.570 --> 00:35:55.000 on. 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:59.170 Or we can go with a great separation from a health next 00:35:59.170 --> 00:36:01.000 next next time. 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.590 28 West. This is a project where we're getting 00:36:03.590 --> 00:36:06.409 environmentally cleared it's the, I'll tell you is the EA 00:36:06.409 --> 00:36:10.159 approval says December 2020 the reason it's in 2020 right 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:13.480 now is because we're doing the mobility 2045 update once we 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:17.000 get that done sometime in spring next year 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.289 we'll be able to change that to a more current date. Right 00:36:19.289 --> 00:36:22.000 now it's not in the mobility plan so we can't show it. 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:31.909 And while we're on that slide is the white area where it 00:36:31.909 --> 00:36:35.000 starts curving to the south. 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:39.000 Is that is that crumb. This area here yes. 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:44.909 Now, who is communicating with the city of crumb on on that 00:36:44.909 --> 00:36:51.519 issue and how that's working. So, we're also one in FM 1173 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:52.000 . 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:56.329 So the county has a regular communication with crumb on 00:36:56.329 --> 00:37:01.269 transportation issues associated with their area including 00:37:01.269 --> 00:37:07.130 not only 1173 out to crumb proper but how 1173 is going to 00:37:07.130 --> 00:37:10.000 tie into 288, is it some. 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.000 Yes, we are communicating with. 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.000 Thank you. 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.000 I need to give it short answers. 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:20.539 So the FM 1515, we have LTR on contract, it works says we 00:37:20.539 --> 00:37:24.429 're supposed to go to commissioners court in November, 00:37:24.429 --> 00:37:28.630 unless that's going to happen on the 28th it won't happen 00:37:28.630 --> 00:37:30.000 in November. 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:35.900 But I'll check on that, because my step was out last week 00:37:35.900 --> 00:37:39.030 so I couldn't check on it but it's fully contracted, we've 00:37:39.030 --> 00:37:41.860 got a green on the term on what it is, and we just got to 00:37:41.860 --> 00:37:43.000 get it executed. 00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.179 And we told LTR a that the primary stakeholder in that 00:37:46.179 --> 00:37:49.210 project is the city of Denton and so they're, they 00:37:49.210 --> 00:37:52.780 basically have to coordinate with the city because you've 00:37:52.780 --> 00:37:56.579 got Bonnie Bray, where it ties in to the 35 project and you 00:37:56.579 --> 00:38:01.000 've got your airport so that's pretty much y'all are the 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.989 primary stakeholder for LTR a to make happy on that project 00:38:04.989 --> 00:38:05.000 . 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:15.869 Again, a clarification, widening the existing two line to a 00:38:15.869 --> 00:38:18.000 six lane. 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:22.070 And then your 1830 this is the, the shoulder project, you 00:38:22.070 --> 00:38:25.389 know there were some folks that had some concerns about 00:38:25.389 --> 00:38:26.000 this. 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.820 And so we just started to start reporting it to you what we 00:38:28.820 --> 00:38:30.000 're doing out there. 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.239 And then the ultimate, this is just to come in and do the 00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:38.960 12 foot planes and then do a three foot shoulder along the 00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:42.739 corridor, and then text that is in the process of 00:38:42.739 --> 00:38:47.980 developing 1830 as a four lane divided facility and so we 00:38:47.980 --> 00:38:53.000 're having a conversation as to what divided means because 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:54.000 in a rural setting, 00:38:54.000 --> 00:39:00.000 you typically don't want to have a divided facility. 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:03.070 And so there may be at areas where part of 1830 has a 00:39:03.070 --> 00:39:04.000 raised median. 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:08.440 There may be areas of 1830 to have a flush median, and it 00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:12.920 may be areas 1830 that have a multiple median, depending 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.469 upon what decisions the district makes and all those 00:39:16.469 --> 00:39:20.289 conversations will be vetted back through your staff to 00:39:20.289 --> 00:39:23.000 make sure we're doing what you want. 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:27.210 So the way that the area merges with 377 is what a lot of 00:39:27.210 --> 00:39:30.000 the locals call Country Club Road. 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.800 Is that correct. Yeah, so up at up at the north part or the 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.650 . Yes, so that we're going to do an inner improvement with 00:39:37.650 --> 00:39:43.280 377 for drive project, assuming we get it let next March or 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:49.980 spring, where we're going to add a left turn lane on the co 00:39:49.980 --> 00:39:51.000 bson. 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:55.030 So we're going to add on 377 1830 before you get to ops and 00:39:55.030 --> 00:39:58.570 a lot of traffic gets stuck in that little area. Right. So 00:39:58.570 --> 00:40:01.659 we're going to widen 1830 in that part and add a left turn 00:40:01.659 --> 00:40:04.860 lane so that if you're just trying to go south on 1830, you 00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:08.000 're not stuck as bad by the people turning left 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:11.360 and I think we're doing that on Ryan also aren't we writing 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:15.019 a right turn lane at Ryan and country club. And I think 00:40:15.019 --> 00:40:18.000 that's all I have questions. 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:23.119 All right. Well I got confused when I saw a card from a 00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:27.000 former staff member and thought, well what she doing here. 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:31.010 But it's just a reminder that we're need to be done here by 00:40:31.010 --> 00:40:35.000 1115, we're going to finish that easily. 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:39.619 Mr. Chair, I did want to remind you that typically within a 00:40:39.619 --> 00:40:44.159 day after the presentation, this one system report is then 00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:48.380 loaded onto our city didn't website so for those who are 00:40:48.380 --> 00:40:52.000 viewing this, they'll be able to see this. 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:55.000 We do that on a monthly basis. Thank you, Mr. Nelson. 00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:00.280 So we are to item B, receiver report hold the discussion 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:05.760 and provide direction regarding the options for regulating 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:11.000 stationless bike share companies in Denton. 00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:15.440 It looks like Julie Anderson, our bicycle and pedestrian 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:18.000 coordinator is going to take this. 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.929 That is correct. We did talk briefly last month mobility 00:41:21.929 --> 00:41:25.480 committee about stationless bike share. We were asked to 00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:27.000 come back and provide options for regulating. 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.690 So for anybody who's watching at home or is not aware what 00:41:29.690 --> 00:41:32.519 stationless bike share is, this is third generation bike 00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:34.000 share so it's app based. 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.880 There's no stations or docking stations that you have to 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:38.000 take your bike to. 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.559 It gives the user more freedom to drop off a bike to 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:43.900 wherever their bike, wherever their trip ends or wherever 00:41:43.900 --> 00:41:45.000 their trip begins. 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:48.150 They are operated by private companies, not by the city, 00:41:48.150 --> 00:41:52.260 and there's no monetary exchange that the city has to go 00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:53.000 through with that. 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:55.329 They're private companies. So these are just some 00:41:55.329 --> 00:41:59.000 screenshots from the Vbikes app that they have on their, 00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:02.329 use on your phone, talks about parking your bike, how to 00:42:02.329 --> 00:42:04.659 unlock it, how to return it, and then they have a customer 00:42:04.659 --> 00:42:05.000 service. 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:09.010 So that's how Vbikes has been, Vbikes is what's currently 00:42:09.010 --> 00:42:11.000 here in Denton right now. 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:16.929 They arrive in approximately, hang on. On the customer 00:42:16.929 --> 00:42:20.000 service, is that a 24 hour response? 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:24.150 I believe it is. This says that you can report issues 00:42:24.150 --> 00:42:26.000 actually in the app itself. 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:29.510 I don't know if they have somebody checking it all 24 hours 00:42:29.510 --> 00:42:32.000 , but you can report it through the app. 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:35.000 So do they not have an 800 number? They also have a number. 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.909 The number is however not on the bike. They do have a 00:42:37.909 --> 00:42:39.000 number though. 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:43.000 And an email. Okay. 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.360 So Vbikes is currently the only stationless bike share we 00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:50.320 have in Denton right now. They came in June with about 60 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:51.000 bikes. 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:55.170 We've also had other stationless bike share reach out to 00:42:55.170 --> 00:42:59.429 the city to be here as well, so Spin and Line Bikes and Z 00:42:59.429 --> 00:43:00.000 axter. 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.659 We have had multiple complaints about bikes being left in 00:43:02.659 --> 00:43:05.000 the middle of the sidewalk or in random places. 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.329 And so we were asked to look at what the options were to 00:43:08.329 --> 00:43:12.000 regulate these in our city, either working through an 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.400 existing permit or existing ordinance or creating a new one 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.000 to better regulate. 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.510 So we did, met with legal. We have a few options, about 00:43:20.510 --> 00:43:23.340 four. Obviously we could just do nothing and keep both of 00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:25.000 them operating as they are now. 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:27.690 We could use an existing ordinance, which we provided in 00:43:27.690 --> 00:43:30.900 your backup, some ordinances in Chapter 16 of our code that 00:43:30.900 --> 00:43:32.000 could pertain to this. 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.679 There were some questions about who would enforce it. It 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.309 doesn't really give the city any more control if we didn't 00:43:37.309 --> 00:43:39.000 have any sort of permit system. 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.420 We could go ahead and use an existing ordinance and create 00:43:42.420 --> 00:43:45.969 a permit through that. But again, that ordinance isn't 00:43:45.969 --> 00:43:48.000 really specific to bike share. 00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:51.030 So the fourth option, which was to create a new ordinance 00:43:51.030 --> 00:43:53.909 that would regulate bike share and then have a permit 00:43:53.909 --> 00:43:57.000 system that addresses very specific bike share concerns. 00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:01.159 And that was the recommendation from our legal department 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:05.000 and that staff is bringing to this body here today. 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:09.179 So some other cities that have already done this, because 00:44:09.179 --> 00:44:12.989 this is new, St. Louis Bike Share, it's new for other 00:44:12.989 --> 00:44:14.000 cities as well. 00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:17.849 Seattle kind of is the forerunner. They started this at the 00:44:17.849 --> 00:44:21.449 end of June. San Francisco began their permit system in 00:44:21.449 --> 00:44:22.000 July. 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.369 And then Aurora, Colorado just started theirs at the 00:44:25.369 --> 00:44:27.000 beginning of October. 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.159 And I had a conference call with them yesterday to talk 00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:31.570 about how their permit application is actually working and 00:44:31.570 --> 00:44:34.000 their system actually is going really well for them. 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.079 So we've reached out to them. We've reviewed what their 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.489 permits look like. We think we can create one as well if 00:44:40.489 --> 00:44:44.000 that was the direction this body wanted to go. 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:46.900 We like this option because a permit can cover very 00:44:46.900 --> 00:44:50.289 specific things for bike share. It can cover safety such as 00:44:50.289 --> 00:44:53.380 we don't provide a helmet, but we recommend you wear a 00:44:53.380 --> 00:44:54.000 helmet. 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:57.150 Parking, so this is just an excerpt from the Seattle 00:44:57.150 --> 00:45:00.969 parking permit application. They talk about where you're 00:45:00.969 --> 00:45:04.000 supposed to park your bike, where not to park your bike. 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:08.059 And it puts the impetus on the bike share operator to 00:45:08.059 --> 00:45:10.000 educate their users. 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:14.710 Right. Do we as a city have bike laws on the books as far 00:45:14.710 --> 00:45:19.000 as I guess you just said we don't require a helmet? 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:21.000 We don't have a helmet requirement law. 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:23.000 Do we have a lighting law? 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.980 There's a Texas state law that you're required to have a 00:45:25.980 --> 00:45:28.909 white light on the front of your back and a red light or 00:45:28.909 --> 00:45:31.000 reflector on the back of your bike. 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.360 And do the bikes that we have now, do they currently have 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:35.000 those? 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.000 The bike share bikes? 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.000 Yeah. 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:40.000 I cannot, I don't know that officially, no. 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.000 Right. And so that... 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:43.000 What? 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.000 That might be something that we can address. 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.469 Yeah. And we would address that right in safety. You know, 00:45:47.469 --> 00:45:50.119 as followed, the Texas transportation code about the need 00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:51.000 to have lights. 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:52.000 Insurance requirements. 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.760 Yes, and we would require insurance. All of that would come 00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:56.000 as part of that permit process. 00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:57.000 Okay. Thank you. 00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:59.000 Great. Yeah, no problem. 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:03.280 So it can cover parking, operations, so the permit could 00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:07.429 say you must have a staff here in Denton, you must be able 00:46:07.429 --> 00:46:11.659 to resolve all problems within 24 hours, you must have a 00:46:11.659 --> 00:46:14.000 phone number on your bike, all those things. 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.000 We can also ask them to data share with us. 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:18.210 Obviously we'd be anonymous, but it would say where are 00:46:18.210 --> 00:46:20.630 these people going, where are they dropping off their bikes 00:46:20.630 --> 00:46:23.000 that can help us better plan our bike infrastructure. 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:26.420 And then it'd also talk about fees, what kind of fees we 00:46:26.420 --> 00:46:29.000 would apply to the bike share company. 00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:33.219 As I said, our current ordinance doesn't cover any of these 00:46:33.219 --> 00:46:37.039 things specifically, and so it'd be really hard to actually 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.000 enforce it or try to do anything. 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:43.949 So creating the specific permit and ordinance that we could 00:46:43.949 --> 00:46:49.000 do just for bike share is our recommendation to this body. 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:50.000 Comment. 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:54.289 I'm in complete favor of this, and I appreciate all this 00:46:54.289 --> 00:46:55.000 work. 00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:58.530 And just for clarification, I think the V-Bikes, that was 00:46:58.530 --> 00:47:01.000 considered a pilot program, right? 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.789 When it came into, I mean that's how I heard it referred to 00:47:04.789 --> 00:47:07.000 originally as a kind of a pilot. 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:10.489 Pilot, like we didn't authorize them to come here, we just, 00:47:10.489 --> 00:47:13.380 we did meet with them and then I think the next week their 00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:16.360 bikes showed up, but we hadn't said, sure, come on down 00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:17.000 here. 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:19.739 Right, and we do have other companies reaching out to us as 00:47:19.739 --> 00:47:22.900 well wanting to do this, so right now is a really good time 00:47:22.900 --> 00:47:23.000 . 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.579 It is, and we've asked other companies, I met with both of 00:47:25.579 --> 00:47:28.599 them, Line Bikes and Spin, we've asked them to please just 00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:31.429 wait, we're kind of figuring this out so we can give you a 00:47:31.429 --> 00:47:34.250 better option instead of just throwing it together at the 00:47:34.250 --> 00:47:35.000 last minute. 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:38.000 So they're aware of that and they're supportive of this. 00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:40.929 Both of these, all these companies are in Seattle and in 00:47:40.929 --> 00:47:42.000 Aurora already. 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.000 And so with V-Bikes already being here, I'm sorry, can I? 00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:46.000 Go ahead. 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:50.000 And we create this, they will have to comply, right? 00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:52.690 Correct, I would reach out to them and make them aware of 00:47:52.690 --> 00:47:55.300 what it is they need to do to be compliant, to be able to 00:47:55.300 --> 00:47:57.000 get a permit to be in our city. 00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.000 Okay, thank you so much. 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:03.130 I think a couple of important things that we consider as we 00:48:03.130 --> 00:48:04.000 do this. 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:08.289 It's important to point out, as you did, that this is like 00:48:08.289 --> 00:48:11.000 the third generation of bike share. 00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:16.010 And when we were looking at earlier generations and wanting 00:48:16.010 --> 00:48:20.429 bike share in Denton, we wanted it specifically so that 00:48:20.429 --> 00:48:25.000 there would be bike share stations at the Transit Center, 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:31.039 downtown, at UNT and at TWU, so that we could deal with 00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:36.079 that last mile issue that a lot of our transit users have 00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:40.000 about getting off the train and then what do they do. 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:45.309 And in the earlier generations, we were looking at the 00:48:45.309 --> 00:48:50.940 possibility of expending some significant dollars to help 00:48:50.940 --> 00:48:57.000 create the older kind of stations for leaving the bicycles. 00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:01.480 The fact that this latest generation does not require any 00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:05.659 upfront money from the city, but still addresses a need 00:49:05.659 --> 00:49:09.769 that we have identified and that the universities have 00:49:09.769 --> 00:49:13.000 identified is actually a good thing. 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:17.920 So I think that as we're crafting this, we want to craft it 00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:20.900 in a way that addresses the concerns that are raised by our 00:49:20.900 --> 00:49:25.000 local residents, our local businesses. 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:30.119 That also points out that if you're going to be using our 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:36.639 streets for a program to generate income for yourself, that 00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:41.000 you have to, that's not free. 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:44.610 The city is required by state law to get some type of remun 00:49:44.610 --> 00:49:46.000 eration for that. 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:50.610 But let's do it in a way that does not necessarily make it 00:49:50.610 --> 00:49:55.440 so difficult for a bike share program to operate that they 00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.000 want to leave. 00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:04.710 Now, maybe if the Yellow Bike program that we have here now 00:50:04.710 --> 00:50:09.639 wants to leave, that may be okay because of the way that 00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:13.000 they're dealing with leaving bikes everywhere. 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:18.000 Or maybe this will just get them to be more responsive. 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:21.369 I'm wondering if this particular company that's here in 00:50:21.369 --> 00:50:26.500 Denton, are they in other cities that have implemented more 00:50:26.500 --> 00:50:28.000 regulations? 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:37.000 I believe they are in Aurora and in Seattle, yes. 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.840 Okay, and so you're going to be, as you craft the ordinance 00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.530 , trying to address the concerns that have been raised by 00:50:44.530 --> 00:50:47.000 business owners and by citizens? 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:48.000 Correct, yeah. 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.449 We've already had some very preliminary discussions with 00:50:50.449 --> 00:50:53.039 myself and their legal department about if we could 00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:55.699 restrict them in certain areas or require that they have to 00:50:55.699 --> 00:50:57.699 have them in areas we want them, such as by the train 00:50:57.699 --> 00:51:01.949 station or at the university, that can be a requirement in 00:51:01.949 --> 00:51:03.000 the permit. 00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:07.030 And when do you anticipate coming back to us with something 00:51:07.030 --> 00:51:08.000 specific? 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:11.000 I believe we could probably come back next month. 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:14.940 I don't know how many, if we're meeting in December, but we 00:51:14.940 --> 00:51:17.000 could also do it in January. 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:22.469 Would you anticipate or consider inviting the VBike folks 00:51:22.469 --> 00:51:25.000 to attend that meeting? 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.300 Yeah, I let all of them know that we're having this meeting 00:51:27.300 --> 00:51:29.440 here today and that they could live stream it if they 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:30.000 wanted to. 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:31.000 Well, there are throngs of folks here. 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:33.179 Right, they didn't, they're not here, but they might be 00:51:33.179 --> 00:51:34.000 watching online. 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:35.000 I told them all about it. 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:36.000 Yes. 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.789 Would it need to come back to this committee or could it 00:51:38.789 --> 00:51:40.000 just go to council? 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:45.000 Because with this committee approving this going forward, 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.510 then could it come to council to eliminate that one step, 00:51:47.510 --> 00:51:49.000 to get something on the books? 00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:51.949 Because I know there's other people wanting to come in and 00:51:51.949 --> 00:51:54.000 I don't want to restrict, you know. 00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:56.000 It's at your pleasure. 00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:59.329 I mean, typically the normal process would bring it back, 00:51:59.329 --> 00:52:02.650 make sure it would work session, work session to ensure 00:52:02.650 --> 00:52:06.340 that we're moving forward in the direction that you 00:52:06.340 --> 00:52:09.000 provided us and then before we would advance it. 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:13.619 My guess is it's not going to get on a council agenda 00:52:13.619 --> 00:52:17.000 before the end of the year anyway. 00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:20.000 So if you had something and could bring it back to us. 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:21.000 Next month? 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:24.329 Next month or even probably at the start of January, we 00:52:24.329 --> 00:52:27.000 could queue it up for the council agenda. 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.820 But we could have a chance to do a little bit of the 00:52:29.820 --> 00:52:32.949 detailed work on it that might not get done at a council 00:52:32.949 --> 00:52:34.000 work session. 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.849 So that's fine with me, but in the meantime, what are some 00:52:37.849 --> 00:52:41.329 of the options that our citizens have when these bikes 00:52:41.329 --> 00:52:46.000 appear, like in trees or in ditches or inside of schools? 00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:49.150 Right, so their best option is to contact the company 00:52:49.150 --> 00:52:50.000 directly. 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:53.619 They have people who are supposed to be here in the city or 00:52:53.619 --> 00:52:57.250 at least that work in the North Texas region to rebalance 00:52:57.250 --> 00:52:58.000 bikes. 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:00.900 So the best because they're a private company and we don't 00:53:00.900 --> 00:53:04.000 actually have anything signed with anybody at this point. 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.000 So the best point thing is to contact them directly. 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:08.000 They show up in trees? 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:09.000 Yes. 00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:10.000 Wow. 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.000 Yeah, someone put one in a tree. 00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:21.199 And that's just typical vandalism. Is there a way to get 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:22.000 their 800 number on our website under the bike program? 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.750 I mean, just if somebody is looking and that's where they 00:53:24.750 --> 00:53:27.000 because they first they think it's a city. 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.000 Oh, yeah, definitely. 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:33.000 You know, yeah, or just yeah. 00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:35.960 Just so there is some some place if a citizen can because 00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:39.000 you said they're not located on the bikes currently. 00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:40.000 Yeah. 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:43.000 So people don't have the app or access on their phones. 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:44.000 Right. Yeah. 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.000 If you're not a user, then you don't have the app. 00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:47.000 Right. 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:49.650 Just in the meantime, because I know, you know, it's might 00:53:49.650 --> 00:53:51.000 take to the end of the year. 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:54.000 So yeah, that would just be my request. 00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:55.000 That's a good request. 00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:56.000 Yeah. 00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:57.000 Thank you. 00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:58.000 Thanks. 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.000 Anything else on this? 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:01.000 Thank you very much. 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:03.000 Thank you for that presentation. 00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:04.000 Thank you. 00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:07.639 Item C, receiver report, hold the discussion and regarding 00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:13.119 plans for the 2017 18 bike fund and provide an update on 00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:17.000 projects. 00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:18.000 Don't worry. 00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:19.000 It's me again. 00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:27.000 I will try to keep this one brief as well. 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:34.000 OK, that's really tickled the way we're supposed to be. 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:36.000 So it's the start of a new fiscal year. 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.199 And so, as you know, the bike fund has it's not really the 00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:42.000 bike fund, but that's what I refer to it as. 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:44.730 Two hundred thousand dollars is allocated each year from 00:54:44.730 --> 00:54:47.000 the general fund to implement our bike plan. 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:50.000 And so when we came to you last year at about this time, 00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:53.809 one of our goals for the projects of 2017 was to accomplish 00:54:53.809 --> 00:54:56.000 all of the immediate projects that we could. 00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:59.329 So most of those were share of projects and we were able to 00:54:59.329 --> 00:55:02.369 accomplish all of those share of projects that we had 00:55:02.369 --> 00:55:04.000 planned to do this year. 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:05.000 We got them all completed. 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:08.000 They are the black lines on this map. 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:09.000 Those were done. 00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:10.000 We do that. 00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:12.769 We do share with our in-house project, our in-house crews, 00:55:12.769 --> 00:55:15.380 traffic ops, go ahead and they lay those down and they put 00:55:15.380 --> 00:55:17.000 the signs on the road as well. 00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:20.000 So we were able to finish all of those this year. 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:24.920 There were some other projects such as Ector Street that 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:26.000 was done. 00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:27.000 It's not officially a bike lane. 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:32.000 It's a shared bike parking lane. 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.000 And that was able to get completed with our traffic ops. 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:36.440 They had a new long line truck and they needed to practice 00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:37.000 using it. 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:40.000 And so they used Ector as their street for practice. 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:43.000 So that street we got striped free of charge. 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.000 So that was nice. 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.750 And then we have some other projects that have been 00:55:47.750 --> 00:55:49.000 slightly delayed. 00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:52.150 This is due to staffing and role changes in the engineering 00:55:52.150 --> 00:55:53.000 department. 00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:56.150 So there's no longer any in-house design, a bike 00:55:56.150 --> 00:55:59.000 infrastructure in our engineering department. 00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:02.800 So that will now be consulted out to an engineering firm 00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:06.000 that will design our bike projects for us. 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:10.110 So on that particular point, will that put more pressure on 00:56:10.110 --> 00:56:13.000 the funds allocated or less pressure? 00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:15.000 It will put a little bit more pressure. 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:18.210 It will be a little bit more expensive to design those 00:56:18.210 --> 00:56:21.000 projects because it will not be in-house. 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:24.539 Now Noreen did charge her time to projects, but I do 00:56:24.539 --> 00:56:28.000 believe the cost might be a little bit more. 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.000 When was that decision made and by whom? 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:34.000 That decision was made, I don't know, a couple months ago 00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:35.000 by our engineering staff. 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:37.000 Todd can speak about that if you would like. 00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:41.000 Okay. 00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:44.530 So part of that was a recognition that we just don't have 00:56:44.530 --> 00:56:46.000 the staff internally, 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.579 a number of people to be able to address all the design 00:56:48.579 --> 00:56:51.000 needs, and a consultant can get to it much faster. 00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:54.380 Now city staff will still act as a project manager to make 00:56:54.380 --> 00:56:58.000 sure that the design goes forward quickly and efficiently. 00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:01.489 But it also allows us to take a whole group of these 00:57:01.489 --> 00:57:04.000 bicycle projects, put them into one design package, 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:06.949 and then we can let them out much faster to construction 00:57:06.949 --> 00:57:09.000 than what we currently are doing. 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:13.969 So will some of the other projects that had been designed 00:57:13.969 --> 00:57:18.000 internally be facing the same situation? 00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:20.940 Yes, but that's a recognition that we just do not have the 00:57:20.940 --> 00:57:24.000 capacity in-house to handle all of that work, 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:27.329 plus this water and sewer work and everything else that was 00:57:27.329 --> 00:57:29.000 trying to be done in-house. 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:32.400 So we push a lot of this to a consultant with our oversight 00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:35.000 to make sure that it gets done quickly. 00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:41.000 And if it ends up being more expensive for the taxpayers, 00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:45.579 more expensive for meaning that we get less bang for our 00:57:45.579 --> 00:57:51.289 buck out of the small amount of money that we're putting in 00:57:51.289 --> 00:57:53.000 the bike fund, 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:58.309 was there not consideration to just go ahead and expand the 00:57:58.309 --> 00:58:02.000 engineering staff to handle the needs? 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:05.460 That's definitely a consideration long term. We do not have 00:58:05.460 --> 00:58:08.599 the available full-time employee positions to be able to 00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:10.000 handle that kind of expansion. 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.820 We just don't, not with the amount of work that's left to 00:58:12.820 --> 00:58:15.000 be done on the overall capital projects. 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:17.000 Okay, go ahead. 00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:22.039 So what I think I hear you saying is there are a lot of 00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:26.000 projects right now that we could get out and have them 00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:28.000 covered under one, 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:31.829 in one consultant under a design project instead of coming 00:58:31.829 --> 00:58:35.000 to our engineering department one at a time. 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:36.000 Right. 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:41.000 Right. And so it will speed the process up, but will it, 00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:43.630 how much will it reduce the funds to actually complete the 00:58:43.630 --> 00:58:45.000 work, I think is the big question. 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:48.139 I won't know that one until we complete our RFQ process. We 00:58:48.139 --> 00:58:51.139 put an RFQ on the streets at the beginning of November for 00:58:51.139 --> 00:58:55.000 general engineering design for a wide variety of things. 00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:58.059 We will have all some middles in by the end of November. It 00:58:58.059 --> 00:59:00.300 's been December reviewing those and then January will be 00:59:00.300 --> 00:59:03.000 coming back with contracts that come out of that. 00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:05.880 One of those contracts would be for bicycle sidewalks, 00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:07.000 things like that. 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:10.190 Because a beautiful design doesn't really do anybody any 00:59:10.190 --> 00:59:13.000 good if we don't have the money to implement it. 00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:16.409 So I would like to make sure that we're still going to have 00:59:16.409 --> 00:59:18.000 enough to implement. 00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:22.739 And to help Todd out, you know, we are looking at, as he 00:59:22.739 --> 00:59:26.659 said, bundling a lot of our projects that are being 00:59:26.659 --> 00:59:29.320 designed into, again, having these contracts in place so 00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:33.000 that we can plan further ahead. 00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:36.150 Again, these onesies and twosies are killing our staff. And 00:59:36.150 --> 00:59:38.000 so we're just trying to bundle all these. 00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:41.179 If it comes to the point that it's -- and again, not 00:59:41.179 --> 00:59:44.809 knowing until we get the proposals in, if it comes to the 00:59:44.809 --> 00:59:48.269 point that the design dollars to design all the various 00:59:48.269 --> 00:59:53.619 planned projects are chewing up the dollars to actually do 00:59:53.619 --> 00:59:56.900 the work, then we'll come back to council with requests for 00:59:56.900 --> 00:59:58.000 additional funds. 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:02.000 So we'll work through the budget process, make sure that we 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:05.840 're not losing our capacity to construct or paint or recon 01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:09.360 figure our streets so that we can make sure that we're 01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:11.000 making headway on it. 01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:17.809 Well, and I have no beef or concern. I'm not -- I'm sorry 01:00:17.809 --> 01:00:20.000 that you're up there. 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:24.769 I think that this is at the highest levels. I think that 01:00:24.769 --> 01:00:29.909 council has been so intent, the majority of our council, on 01:00:29.909 --> 01:00:34.670 reducing the tax rate and saying that we're not reducing 01:00:34.670 --> 01:00:36.000 services. 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:39.429 But I think this is a particular and specific example of 01:00:39.429 --> 01:00:42.000 where it is going to reduce services. 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:45.789 We're not going to be able to continue to provide the same 01:00:45.789 --> 01:00:49.329 amount of money or get the same bang for our buck out of 01:00:49.329 --> 01:00:52.960 our bike fund because we're holding the line on hiring 01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.000 additional engineers. 01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:58.150 We're going to have to outsource. And because we're outs 01:00:58.150 --> 01:01:00.909 ourcing, it's going to cost a bit more money, which means 01:01:00.909 --> 01:01:03.480 that we're actually not going to be able to provide the 01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:05.000 same level of service. 01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:09.699 Surprise, surprise. When cost for construction and 01:01:09.699 --> 01:01:14.400 everything else goes up and we're trying to hold the line 01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:20.000 on our revenues, we're going to get less for that. 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:24.969 It's just plain arithmetic. And I think that it's something 01:01:24.969 --> 01:01:28.429 that we need to put in our folders as the next round of 01:01:28.429 --> 01:01:32.480 budget discussions start because we can't pretend that we 01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:34.000 're getting the same level of service. 01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:39.900 For the same amount of dollars when services continue to 01:01:39.900 --> 01:01:42.000 cost more and more. 01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:46.000 Well, yeah, I will say that I'm in favor of this. 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:49.829 This is well for now, but I think I think it's a good thing 01:01:49.829 --> 01:01:52.739 that we're getting caught up. And I know that we're behind 01:01:52.739 --> 01:01:56.000 on projects and this is a good way to move forward. 01:01:56.000 --> 01:02:00.079 And then eventually we can reevaluate, like you said. But 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:04.429 yeah, I think going forward right now, this is good. And I 01:02:04.429 --> 01:02:07.500 didn't mean to be negative or anything. I just wanted to 01:02:07.500 --> 01:02:08.000 make sure that. 01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:09.000 That's a good question. 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:13.000 Well, I did mean to be negative, but not towards staff. 01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:17.440 Well, we definitely don't want to the intent is definitely 01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:21.659 not to do less. I mean, so, but, but we are having to take 01:02:21.659 --> 01:02:25.389 that broader approach of how do we get so many things 01:02:25.389 --> 01:02:30.710 designed and and doing it in a way that again, a bundling 01:02:30.710 --> 01:02:33.000 may help us with some economies of scale. 01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:36.880 Have some shovel ready projects available just from a speed 01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:40.510 of getting those firms because they do have the capacity 01:02:40.510 --> 01:02:43.989 staffing wise to be able to knock those complete those 01:02:43.989 --> 01:02:45.000 projects. 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:47.610 And then we again, if it does come to a point that we need 01:02:47.610 --> 01:02:50.199 additional funds, we will come back to counsel or the 01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:52.730 committee and in the council to make sure we get those 01:02:52.730 --> 01:02:55.000 funds available for these projects. 01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:58.550 One of the things that does cost us is the longer it takes 01:02:58.550 --> 01:03:01.940 to get a project out the projects themselves get more 01:03:01.940 --> 01:03:05.000 expensive. So you definitely don't get what you intended. 01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:09.000 And this does allow us to cut down on the time frame. 01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:11.000 There's a cost center as well. 01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:15.440 I have a question because some of these projects qualify 01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:19.869 for grant funding right with sidewalks and but to qualify 01:03:19.869 --> 01:03:24.329 for grant. Don't you have to have a design in place to turn 01:03:24.329 --> 01:03:27.039 in. So this may help if we have a design already completed 01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:29.000 and the grant comes up and we see it. 01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:30.670 We're like, oh, okay, we can do that. We have this 01:03:30.670 --> 01:03:34.030 information right here. So that it's definitely more 01:03:34.030 --> 01:03:36.590 helpful if you already have a design. You don't always have 01:03:36.590 --> 01:03:37.000 to have it. 01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:39.400 But if you do, it's definitely better. Right. I just 01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:42.360 remember when we were talking about oak, we kept coming 01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:46.170 back and you know, Noreen had to do this or do that. And I 01:03:46.170 --> 01:03:48.000 know that was probably really time consuming. 01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:54.000 So I just keep thinking of that situation and how having a 01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:57.000 I guess a stack of designs already in place would be 01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:58.000 beneficial. 01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:00.000 Definitely. 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:03.420 Well, in that regard, the stack of designs, how long is the 01:04:03.420 --> 01:04:05.000 stack of designs good. 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:09.719 It seems that after a while, we've had designs before that 01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:15.000 have been on shelves and by the time it's we can fund them. 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:19.570 They're no longer adequate designs. What is there. What's 01:04:19.570 --> 01:04:21.000 the shelf life. 01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:23.449 There's a lot of factors that go into that, as you can 01:04:23.449 --> 01:04:26.329 imagine, but typically anything within about a six month 01:04:26.329 --> 01:04:30.000 window. Most your consultant engineers will tell you. 01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:32.500 I don't really have to look at it. I probably need to 01:04:32.500 --> 01:04:35.429 resign it reseal it and then we're ready to go. Once you 01:04:35.429 --> 01:04:38.150 get past six months, then it's an effort to say, was 01:04:38.150 --> 01:04:42.000 anything changed appreciably for bicycle lanes. 01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.550 You're really just kind of looking at it. Did did something 01:04:44.550 --> 01:04:47.119 come in that changed the size of the road. Did something 01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:50.429 change. Usually get a better shelf life out of a project 01:04:50.429 --> 01:04:51.000 like that. 01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:54.440 Now you do a project where we had to do something that had 01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:57.809 a lot of elevated sidewalks and we changed the actual 01:04:57.809 --> 01:05:01.340 profile of the road up and down and anything beyond six 01:05:01.340 --> 01:05:02.000 months. 01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:04.260 They're going to want to re verify that what we've got 01:05:04.260 --> 01:05:05.000 still works. 01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:13.000 Okay, thank you. And we interrupted your presentation. 01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:17.000 Thank you, Mr. Estes. 01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:22.000 So one of those projects that will get bundled is Avenue A 01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:23.000 right here. 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:26.340 Hercules, which is not on this map of Hercules of the 01:05:26.340 --> 01:05:28.000 northern part of town. 01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:31.150 And then this part of Crescent, which has been delayed for 01:05:31.150 --> 01:05:34.000 street work. And then we have to wait till school is out. 01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:37.639 And so that one should be getting done and sub coming 01:05:37.639 --> 01:05:39.000 summer though. 01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:43.480 I don't see Malone or is it was it was it Malone or Fulton 01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:47.780 that was doing it was Fulton that was going to have the 01:05:47.780 --> 01:05:50.000 road diet. Isn't that correct? 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:53.829 Malone Malone Malone. Yeah, we just had a coordination 01:05:53.829 --> 01:05:56.909 meeting a couple of weeks ago when I asked if we should put 01:05:56.909 --> 01:06:00.000 Malone on our list to do next year. And they said no. 01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:03.000 Pardon me. They said no. Who said no. 01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:06.079 The other departments and water wastewater and street they 01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:09.019 're still doing some work on Malone and they don't believe 01:06:09.019 --> 01:06:10.000 it'll be done. 01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:13.329 Their portion of it for the street then to come in and get 01:06:13.329 --> 01:06:16.559 restriped by next year. So it'll probably have to be on 01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:18.000 next fiscal year's plan. 01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:21.000 Okay. Did you have a question. 01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:24.920 It was kind of in the bundling and the project. So looking 01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:28.840 at the the bike fund projects. So some of the ones that say 01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:32.679 in design. Does that mean that they are the ones that are 01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:36.070 going to be bundled and contracted out or does that mean 01:06:36.070 --> 01:06:39.489 that the ones that are in design are going to currently 01:06:39.489 --> 01:06:41.000 stay in our. 01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:45.179 Nothing's staying right now. We had one that was on the c 01:06:45.179 --> 01:06:49.429 usp and that was mockingbird and that's going out to be 01:06:49.429 --> 01:06:51.510 consulted already. We've actually already done that one. 01:06:51.510 --> 01:06:52.000 Okay. Sent out that design. 01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:56.800 So yeah, the ones that say in design Hercules Avenue A and 01:06:56.800 --> 01:07:00.429 then the DCTA and anything else that will be done on Oak 01:07:00.429 --> 01:07:03.000 and Hickory. Those will all be designed outside. 01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:07.000 What about the ones that are on hold. 01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:10.980 Pennsylvania and sick more sick more is that that's going 01:07:10.980 --> 01:07:13.000 to be done. Yes. 01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:17.000 We had that discussion with the new the new lighting and 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:20.000 yes sick more was a project that was discussed. 01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:23.000 Right after the bike plan was adopted. 01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:26.329 But from the stories I've been told there was never like a 01:07:26.329 --> 01:07:28.909 firm agreement on what they were going to do and they had 01:07:28.909 --> 01:07:32.000 to talk with DCTA. So decided just to shelve that project. 01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:36.599 But now we're doing a side path on sick more as part of the 01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:40.000 transportation alternative set aside. 01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:42.960 But we wanted to make sure that was on the list because 01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:45.909 money was expended at one point on that project and 01:07:45.909 --> 01:07:48.000 Pennsylvania is still on holds. 01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:50.789 I don't know when that will move forward. So are there can 01:07:50.789 --> 01:07:54.199 I just follow up with are there any of these that have been 01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:58.920 completed but not implemented that will go back out to be 01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:00.000 redesigned. 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.840 Is that a situation or no if they're completed that means 01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:05.900 they're done if they're completed that means they're done 01:08:05.900 --> 01:08:07.000 with on the ground. 01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:11.940 Okay. Thank you. I'm getting a little bit anxious about 01:08:11.940 --> 01:08:15.429 time because of but I think we have to dig into a little 01:08:15.429 --> 01:08:16.000 bit of detail. 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:20.000 I was surprised to see that Pennsylvania was on hold. 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:22.960 I thought that that was actually funded mostly with money 01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:24.000 from the county. 01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:24.000 Correct. 01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:30.460 And that when the neighborhood reacted as they did that we 01:08:30.460 --> 01:08:36.710 went to plan B which was we transferred that money to Winds 01:08:36.710 --> 01:08:41.710 or still in the commissioners district and the county 01:08:41.710 --> 01:08:43.000 commissioners district. 01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:46.329 But but so I'm surprised to see that that's on hold. I 01:08:46.329 --> 01:08:50.000 thought that was probably dropped. 01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:53.909 Yeah on hold is probably the wrong terminology here it 01:08:53.909 --> 01:08:58.430 should just be finished or not finished but shelved and I 01:08:58.430 --> 01:09:03.319 am I don't know what what we're talking about designing for 01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:06.000 the DCTA hike and bike trail. 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:07.000 What's that. 01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:10.899 Yes. So there are two intersections of the a train trail 01:09:10.899 --> 01:09:14.720 where crosses the road so there's one at Brinker and then 01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:18.659 there's also that crossing at Colorado Woodrow Colorado 01:09:18.659 --> 01:09:23.380 that right there we have to go over to the light and we're 01:09:23.380 --> 01:09:27.539 trying to design those to be enhanced intersections instead 01:09:27.539 --> 01:09:29.000 of kind of the work around it is now. 01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:35.279 And of course, when that was actually real originally 01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:41.000 designed that the Colorado Woodrow situation. 01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:44.000 There was a curb cut in the median. 01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:47.789 Pay attention folks, there was a curb cut in the median 01:09:47.789 --> 01:09:50.000 right next to the train track. 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:52.760 It had been designed by the DCTA engineers, it had been 01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:54.000 accepted by the city. 01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:57.000 It was built. 01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:02.489 Then, the city engineering department came back and said no 01:10:02.489 --> 01:10:07.869 , we don't like mid block crossings. We want to go down to 01:10:07.869 --> 01:10:10.000 the corner. 01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:13.909 The problem is is that most of the trail users don't go to 01:10:13.909 --> 01:10:15.000 the corner. 01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.000 They continue to cross. 01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:23.000 They get stuck from time to time. 01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:30.229 In that very very narrow section of trying to get back onto 01:10:30.229 --> 01:10:33.899 the trail in the, in the, the curb cut to get back up onto 01:10:33.899 --> 01:10:35.000 the sidewalk. 01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:37.619 So they're going right next to the train track, they're 01:10:37.619 --> 01:10:40.359 going in the train track they're going in between the train 01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:41.000 tracks. 01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:45.590 When the crossing arms come down, they're caught inside the 01:10:45.590 --> 01:10:47.000 crossing arms. 01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:50.430 And that was all because our city engineer said we want to 01:10:50.430 --> 01:10:52.000 go down to the corner. 01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:55.329 But any person could stand there at the corner and stand 01:10:55.329 --> 01:10:59.310 there at that intersection and watch as bicyclists and 01:10:59.310 --> 01:11:01.000 pedestrians use it. 01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:05.000 And you'll see that hardly anyone uses the corner. 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:11.420 Certainly because it's not possible to ride your bicycle 01:11:11.420 --> 01:11:17.289 and do that 90 degree turn there at the corner in a 01:11:17.289 --> 01:11:22.000 sidewalk that's only three feet wide. 01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:24.000 It's a bad plan. 01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:30.119 It's a plan that, that and, and mid block crossings are 01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:34.000 used all over the world successfully. 01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:38.890 But, but we caused DCTA, we the city caused DCTA to spend 01:11:38.890 --> 01:11:46.000 extra money to undo that median to put the median back up. 01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:50.670 And we've put users of the trail in greater jeopardy 01:11:50.670 --> 01:11:56.000 because that's not the way that they're going to use it. 01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:59.979 So I'm going to be, I'm going to be very concerned about 01:11:59.979 --> 01:12:03.000 spending a lot of money for a bad plan. 01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:07.000 A plan that people will not use. 01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:10.470 And Mr. Estes, I'll be glad to drive you and anybody and 01:12:10.470 --> 01:12:12.000 your staff out there. 01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:14.000 I know you're new to this. 01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:16.579 Now it's probably to the point that you can't see the 01:12:16.579 --> 01:12:19.470 difference in the color of the concrete where the curb cut 01:12:19.470 --> 01:12:22.000 was done and put back in. 01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:26.270 But, but I want to, I don't want to spend a great deal of 01:12:26.270 --> 01:12:30.760 money on the design for something that that's not going to 01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:34.500 be used by the pedestrians and the bicyclists that use that 01:12:34.500 --> 01:12:35.000 trail. 01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:38.619 Right. And we've been asked to expedite those two trail 01:12:38.619 --> 01:12:40.000 projects in advance. 01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:42.000 I'm sorry, I'm not getting sick. 01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:43.000 Well, join the rest of us. 01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:46.000 I'm definitely not getting sick. I don't know what that. 01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:49.329 Looking to advance those two projects in advance of the 01:12:49.329 --> 01:12:52.000 gain, the consultant on board in January. 01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:55.789 So I've been working with the engineering group about 01:12:55.789 --> 01:12:59.649 getting something out to get those designed by a very bike 01:12:59.649 --> 01:13:01.000 friendly firm. 01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:06.140 So we hope to have some good designs for those two cross 01:13:06.140 --> 01:13:07.000 ings. 01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:08.000 Okay. 01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:11.859 So now I'm just going to briefly go over just the budget 01:13:11.859 --> 01:13:15.880 like to show you our budget that we have every year for the 01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:17.000 bike fund. 01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:20.600 You can see that a lot of our funds this year are going to 01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:24.000 go towards our matching funds for the set aside. 01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:26.289 So that's one hundred and ninety thousand dollars that we 01:13:26.289 --> 01:13:28.000 'll have to pay as our 20 percent. 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:31.079 That does take a big chunk of our money to do other 01:13:31.079 --> 01:13:32.000 projects. 01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:36.130 But we are getting a really good project for 20 percent of 01:13:36.130 --> 01:13:37.000 the cost. 01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:40.340 We also have to put aside money for that US 380 side path 01:13:40.340 --> 01:13:43.430 that work where we coordinated with tech stock to get for 01:13:43.430 --> 01:13:46.000 that trail from May Hill to the Green Belt. 01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:49.439 And we're doing about thirty thousand each year for that as 01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:50.000 well. 01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:52.000 That leaves us about thirty nine thousand. 01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:53.000 I'm sorry, not three nine. 01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:56.000 Thirty thousand dollars for 2018. 01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:59.359 So with that, we do hope to be able to do something on Wind 01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:00.000 River. 01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:04.000 You know, it's very wide, has a very wide turn lane. 01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:07.000 What do you believe we can put some bike lanes in there? 01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:10.369 And then if other money shakes out elsewhere, we can look 01:14:10.369 --> 01:14:12.000 at some other projects. 01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:14.000 What part of Wind River are we talking about? 01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:17.880 Yes, Wind River from Teasley to not quite the interstate 01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:20.000 where the movie theater is. 01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:24.000 Oh, Wind River where we used to have bike lanes. 01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:25.000 Is that what used to be there? 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:27.000 Oh, yeah, we used to have it. 01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:30.000 Wind River used to be. 01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:33.000 I feel like I'm having a cathartic moment here. 01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:37.239 Wind River used to have bike lanes and it was one lane in 01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:39.000 each direction. 01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:44.119 And then the bike lanes went away and we put two lanes in 01:14:44.119 --> 01:14:45.000 each direction 01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:48.000 and pretended like there had never been bike lanes there. 01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:50.449 And there was denial that there had ever been bike lanes 01:14:50.449 --> 01:14:51.000 there. 01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:54.000 So we're going back to bike lanes. 01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:56.000 I didn't know there used to be bike lanes there. 01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:58.000 Yeah. Oh, yeah. 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:00.000 Noreen thought this was a really great idea. 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:01.000 I thought this is a great idea. 01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:02.000 It's a very wide street. 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:03.000 There's room for it. 01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:04.000 Yeah. 01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:09.000 I did not know that there used to be bike lanes. 01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:15.000 Go ahead. 01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:21.000 And here's just a map of projects. 01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:27.000 Sorry, this mouse doesn't scroll. 01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:34.000 So you can see -- let me zoom out. 01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:37.000 We have what's been completed in green. 01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:40.170 Projects that we're still working on in the dashed blue are 01:15:40.170 --> 01:15:41.000 big CIP projects 01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:43.000 that do have bike accommodations. 01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:48.000 Hinkle, Bonnie Bray, and Mayhill are in red. 01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:53.899 And then we have Wind River right down here, which is what 01:15:53.899 --> 01:15:57.000 we plan to do in 2018. 01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:03.159 Does anybody have any questions for our plan for 1718 bike 01:16:03.159 --> 01:16:04.000 fund? 01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:05.000 I don't think so. Thanks very much. 01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:06.000 Great. Thank you, Del. 01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:07.000 Appreciate it. 01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:09.000 Councilmember Gregory, thank you. 01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:12.000 We're to item D, receive a report, hold a discussion, 01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:15.880 and provide direction regarding Denton County Transit 01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:18.000 Authority fare schedules. 01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:20.000 Mr. Nelson, is this you? 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:21.000 That's correct. 01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:27.210 So pursuant to Council's request, we had reached out and 01:16:27.210 --> 01:16:29.000 visited with DCTA, 01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:33.000 as stated in the backup, requesting some information 01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:38.000 regarding their reduced fare schedule. 01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:42.569 I believe the question or an interest was, is there a way 01:16:42.569 --> 01:16:45.000 to provide a reduced fare 01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:50.000 for low-income individuals in our community? 01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:53.329 So what you have in the backup material demonstrates that 01:16:53.329 --> 01:16:56.000 they've got their local standard fare 01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:03.829 for a two-hour, for $3, and then a day past their standard 01:17:03.829 --> 01:17:05.000 fares at $6, 01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:09.619 and then for their reduced fare, which is for seniors over 01:17:09.619 --> 01:17:11.000 the age of 65, 01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:17.399 and for students basically between the ages of 5 and 18, is 01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:20.000 $1.25. 01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:23.149 And then that local day pass reduced fare is going to be $2 01:17:23.149 --> 01:17:24.000 .50. 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:28.590 So in visiting with DCTA management, one of the things we 01:17:28.590 --> 01:17:31.000 had talked about is how, 01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:35.000 is there a way to maybe expand that? 01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:36.000 How would you do that? 01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:40.479 The concern they would have would be how to demonstrate and 01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:43.000 what is low income? 01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:46.000 How would you facilitate that particular program? 01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:50.220 What they had indicated is that, you know, they're open to 01:17:50.220 --> 01:17:54.000 working with various social service organizations 01:17:54.000 --> 01:18:02.659 in their member cities whereby a fare book or passes could 01:18:02.659 --> 01:18:05.000 be purchased and then distributed, 01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:08.500 you know, purchased at a reduced rate and then distributed 01:18:08.500 --> 01:18:10.000 by those particular agencies 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:15.920 that may be better equipped to identify or verify income 01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:17.000 levels. 01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:21.680 Well, I brought this up because the reduced fare is for the 01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:24.000 students or for the elderly, 01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:28.989 and there's a large section of working citizens who have 01:18:28.989 --> 01:18:31.000 trouble getting to their job, 01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:32.000 to and from their job. 01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:34.000 Transportation is an issue. 01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:41.390 And during the homeless, during the PIT count, I was 01:18:41.390 --> 01:18:44.000 talking to someone who was homeless 01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:52.430 and transportation was a big issue and I went to buy a bus 01:18:52.430 --> 01:18:53.000 pass. 01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:57.000 And I was surprised at how much it cost. 01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:02.529 I was like, I think it was $25 or $30 or something, and I 01:19:02.529 --> 01:19:06.000 think for the month, for the month, right? 01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:10.000 Because you don't, I mean, you can get to work day by day, 01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:15.300 but the best thing to do is to get monthly so you know that 01:19:15.300 --> 01:19:17.000 you have a way to work every day, 01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:21.949 that you wake up, you're not stressed out about having that 01:19:21.949 --> 01:19:24.000 cash on a daily basis. 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:29.000 And so anyway, it triggered something in me and I thought, 01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:30.000 you know, there's something that we can be doing, 01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:35.000 maybe partnering or purchasing a group of monthly passes 01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:38.000 and giving them out to the nonprofits 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:42.000 to pass out might be an okay solution. 01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:47.350 But so that's just kind of where I was coming from in the 01:19:47.350 --> 01:19:52.000 situation that made me realize how difficult it is 01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:56.000 on a day-to-day basis to get to work for some people. 01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:59.619 And if there was something we could do and if we were doing 01:19:59.619 --> 01:20:01.000 anything currently, 01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:08.939 so I appreciate the information in the backup and what they 01:20:08.939 --> 01:20:12.000 're doing for the students, of course. 01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:17.000 But I just I wish that we could do more. 01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:21.279 So there's an opportunity for DCTA to come forward and 01:20:21.279 --> 01:20:24.000 present to the Mobility Committee. 01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:27.909 It's probably about time for them to come back and do one 01:20:27.909 --> 01:20:31.000 of their typically do a quarterly meeting. 01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:33.000 And I think we're probably on schedule for that. 01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:37.460 We could ask them to come forward and visit with us on the 01:20:37.460 --> 01:20:40.000 remainder of their operations 01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:44.560 and have this as a particular item as well that could 01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:47.000 provide some additional information for the committee 01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:50.649 and council as a whole, if that's something that you would 01:20:50.649 --> 01:20:52.000 like to have them. 01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:56.000 Yeah, I think that would be good. 01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:58.000 And some additional clarification. 01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:03.109 When you say we as an organization, the City of Denton, to 01:21:03.109 --> 01:21:05.000 purchase those particular passes, 01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:08.789 is that something that you would like us to look into in 01:21:08.789 --> 01:21:11.000 terms of what that would cost? 01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:14.609 Right. Well, I mean, we have a community development part 01:21:14.609 --> 01:21:20.000 of our city that works with low income as well. 01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:22.000 And I didn't know if there was a way. 01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:24.760 I mean, that, of course, is beyond what the Mobility 01:21:24.760 --> 01:21:26.000 Committee could do. 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:30.000 But that may be something that they can they can take up. 01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:32.930 Right. And I visited briefly with Barbara on this 01:21:32.930 --> 01:21:34.000 particular issue. 01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:37.880 And so we can we can engage her further in the discussion 01:21:37.880 --> 01:21:40.000 and potential solutions. 01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:42.260 Yeah. So I mean, it reaches across many different 01:21:42.260 --> 01:21:43.000 committees. 01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:48.000 You know, so however, the best way to address that. 01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:51.000 Thank you. 01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:57.399 Then we'll go to item E, receive a report, hold the 01:21:57.399 --> 01:21:59.000 discussion and provide direction 01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:01.479 regarding regional transportation council monthly reports 01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:02.000 and actions. 01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:07.140 This is a spot on our agenda where our representative to 01:22:07.140 --> 01:22:10.000 the regional transportation council, 01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:13.000 Mayor Pro Tempi-Kerry, would have a spot to make a report. 01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:16.000 But she's not here today. 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:19.000 But we have staff members that have attended that meeting. 01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:21.550 So if you have a couple of quick updates that you can share 01:22:21.550 --> 01:22:22.000 with us. 01:22:22.000 --> 01:22:25.000 I do, Mr. Chair. Two very brief updates. 01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:29.789 Mr. Polster is handing out a an excerpt from one of the 01:22:29.789 --> 01:22:31.000 agenda items. 01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:38.000 It's agenda item five on the November 9th RTC meeting. 01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:42.890 And essentially, it was a it was a transit grant funding 01:22:42.890 --> 01:22:44.000 cleanup. 01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:46.579 And what you can see here is as part of that particular 01:22:46.579 --> 01:22:52.000 action taken by the RTC on Thursday, 01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:55.550 that they they move forward with providing some funding 01:22:55.550 --> 01:23:00.000 close to about $2 million that would in part assist with a 01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:03.640 a connectivity between the city of Denton and Fort Worth 01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:06.000 along the 35 West corridor. 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:09.600 So I do want to bring that to your attention as one item 01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:13.000 that that directly impacted our community and citizens. 01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:17.310 The other item we referenced in the on system presentation 01:23:17.310 --> 01:23:22.000 earlier this this morning regarding the loop 288. 01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:26.479 And it's kind of a planning cycle in terms of when we would 01:23:26.479 --> 01:23:29.000 have a the project cleared. 01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:33.000 And they are moving forward with mobility 2045. 01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:38.899 So once mobility 2045 is approved and the schedule for that 01:23:38.899 --> 01:23:41.000 , they're starting to work that through the process now. 01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:45.989 And it looks like in the April May timeframe, they'll have 01:23:45.989 --> 01:23:50.000 that in front of the RTC for for formal consideration. 01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:52.000 So just want to bring that to your attention. 01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:56.619 And certainly, those agenda items or the agendas on can be 01:23:56.619 --> 01:23:58.000 found online. 01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:02.539 Council member post those and they hope and they have a 01:24:02.539 --> 01:24:07.000 whole library of past agendas and the presentations 01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:08.000 associated with them. 01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:11.000 If you're interested in looking at that more detail. 01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:13.000 Thanks. Any questions? 01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:15.000 All right. Item F. 01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:17.369 Receive a report, hold discussion and provide staff 01:24:17.369 --> 01:24:20.899 direction on an increase in project scope of the Hickory 01:24:20.899 --> 01:24:24.000 Street roadway improvement project by adding pedestrian 01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:28.380 lights along the north side of West Hickory Street from Wel 01:24:28.380 --> 01:24:34.000 ch Street to Carroll Boulevard. 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:37.000 Mr. Estes. 01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:39.250 I gotta say I was really hoping to get in the first word 01:24:39.250 --> 01:24:40.000 before John. 01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:43.000 I was excited to see that on the agenda. 01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:48.000 I got foiled again. 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:51.000 Okay. 01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:54.000 So Hickory Street pedestrian lighting. 01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:56.159 You do have a copy in your backup information of the 01:24:56.159 --> 01:24:57.000 presentation. 01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:01.039 In the interest of time, I'll be as short as possible, but 01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:05.090 I want to give you as much information as you're willing to 01:25:05.090 --> 01:25:07.000 receive at this point. 01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:10.159 So, currently, the Hickory Street project goes from Bonnie 01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:12.000 Bray all the way over to Carroll. 01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:15.350 It's about a $4.2 million project primarily done by city 01:25:15.350 --> 01:25:16.000 forces. 01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:19.500 They are clearing out the atmosphere locations and utility 01:25:19.500 --> 01:25:22.810 work will follow right behind it with roadway work and to 01:25:22.810 --> 01:25:25.000 start the beginning of next year. 01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:28.640 They're intending to start near Bonnie Bray and then work 01:25:28.640 --> 01:25:31.000 back to the east towards Carroll. 01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:34.159 So if we are going to look expanding some of the scope of 01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:37.569 the project to include a piece from Welch to Carroll that's 01:25:37.569 --> 01:25:42.630 on the extreme east end, we do have some time to figure out 01:25:42.630 --> 01:25:47.000 how we're going to do that. 01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:50.500 So recently there has been a series of public meetings 01:25:50.500 --> 01:25:54.079 where stakeholders get some updates on what's current 01:25:54.079 --> 01:25:57.369 progress, how are things going on the project, what's the 01:25:57.369 --> 01:26:01.000 current anticipated changes in schedules, if there are any. 01:26:01.000 --> 01:26:03.310 And some of the things that have come up through that has 01:26:03.310 --> 01:26:06.000 been a request for pedestrian lighting on Hickory Street, 01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:11.000 recognizing that when we did Oak Street not too long ago, 01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:13.000 there's pedestrian lighting on both sides. 01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:15.000 It's a very well finished street. 01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:18.430 Hickory needs the update, which is why we're out doing the 01:26:18.430 --> 01:26:19.000 work. 01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:22.329 But the question came up as to Hickory seems to be about 01:26:22.329 --> 01:26:24.000 four or five feet wider. 01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:26.659 Why couldn't we narrow that up and put in pedestrians 01:26:26.659 --> 01:26:29.329 lighting on the north side of the road where there's 01:26:29.329 --> 01:26:32.430 currently only pedestrian lighting on the south side of the 01:26:32.430 --> 01:26:33.000 road. 01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:36.000 So, 01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:39.899 and if you notice the nice little white Kia there, if you 01:26:39.899 --> 01:26:44.090 see that one floating around town, that would be me taking 01:26:44.090 --> 01:26:47.140 pictures. But the top picture here, that is Oak Street as 01:26:47.140 --> 01:26:48.000 it is today. 01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:51.430 You'll see off in the distance there's a pedestrian street 01:26:51.430 --> 01:26:54.810 light on the north side. There's also one on the south side 01:26:54.810 --> 01:26:59.270 . The roadway between curbs right now, as we measure them, 01:26:59.270 --> 01:27:01.000 is about 33 feet wide. 01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:04.939 So you have two 11 foot lanes, you have bicycle lane on one 01:27:04.939 --> 01:27:08.649 side, and then you have on street parking on the south side 01:27:08.649 --> 01:27:09.000 . 01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:12.180 On the bottom, this is what Hickory looks like if you're 01:27:12.180 --> 01:27:15.279 facing Carroll from about Welch Street looking towards 01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:16.000 Carroll. 01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:19.569 You have pedestrian lighting on the right hand side. That's 01:27:19.569 --> 01:27:21.000 the south side. 01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:24.329 So there is pedestrian lighting that's spaced about every 01:27:24.329 --> 01:27:26.000 150, 200 feet. 01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:29.500 But on the north side, the other side where the parking is, 01:27:29.500 --> 01:27:32.680 you don't have a sidewalk with pedestrian lighting tied to 01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:36.079 it. You have an existing sidewalk over there, but the road 01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:39.000 is actually maxed out between the right away lines. 01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:42.159 So in other words, right on the edge of the sidewalk is the 01:27:42.159 --> 01:27:43.000 right away. 01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:46.329 That's actually looking east, isn't it? Yes, sir. One's 01:27:46.329 --> 01:27:49.560 looking west, one's looking east. Yeah, the caption says 01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:51.000 west on the bottom. 01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:54.079 You have a good eye, sorry about that. I caught all the 01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:57.000 other things in here, I promise, but that one item. 01:27:57.000 --> 01:27:59.300 It confused me when I saw it, I thought, well, that doesn't 01:27:59.300 --> 01:28:02.000 seem to work. It's looking the other west. 01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:11.000 Okay, how do you ask? I took the first direction I saw. 01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:16.119 So looking east, not west, you have, what you have today is 01:28:16.119 --> 01:28:19.000 you have wider lanes than what we actually have to have. 01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:20.989 And with it coming off the university, there is an 01:28:20.989 --> 01:28:23.000 opportunity that we could narrow the roadway. 01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:26.649 It's 38 feet on Hickory from the back of curb on one side 01:28:26.649 --> 01:28:28.000 to the other side. 01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:31.149 So we could narrow the road five feet, put in a sidewalk 01:28:31.149 --> 01:28:34.510 behind that on the north side, which would bring the 01:28:34.510 --> 01:28:37.000 sidewalk closer to the roadway. 01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:39.470 It's right on the roadway right now, but we just bring it 01:28:39.470 --> 01:28:42.000 in and gives us room to put the pedestrian lights in. 01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:44.939 But it would also have the added benefit if we narrowed the 01:28:44.939 --> 01:28:48.020 lanes of traffic down to 11 foot wide, which is more of a 01:28:48.020 --> 01:28:50.000 traffic calming feature anyway. 01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:52.930 So it would preclude some of the higher speeds that 01:28:52.930 --> 01:28:56.149 potentially would run through there coming in and across a 01:28:56.149 --> 01:28:58.000 more pedestrian facility. 01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:03.000 Go ahead. And how big would the bike lane be? 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:06.199 Bike lane, I believe we had in there at five, maybe five or 01:29:06.199 --> 01:29:08.000 six feet, five foot, yeah. 01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:12.180 So it would stay? It would stay. Yes, ma'am. It wouldn't go 01:29:12.180 --> 01:29:13.000 away. That would leave everything on the south side. 01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:15.909 Or it wouldn't shriek? No, no it wouldn't. I would not want 01:29:15.909 --> 01:29:18.000 to go less than five feet anyway. 01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:22.000 Some cities say three foot, but that is way too narrow. 01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:26.000 Thank you. 01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:28.329 So what we would need to do, we've talked about briefly, we 01:29:28.329 --> 01:29:31.000 'd narrow the streets down to or the lanes down to 11 foot. 01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:33.739 So you still have two lanes. We'd still have the bicycle 01:29:33.739 --> 01:29:36.000 lane. We'd put in a sidewalk, bring that across. 01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:38.449 Some of the things we would have to do to make this work 01:29:38.449 --> 01:29:41.350 though is you have some properties that are higher on the 01:29:41.350 --> 01:29:44.430 north side and they have existing retaining walls along the 01:29:44.430 --> 01:29:45.000 sidewalk. 01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:47.890 So we would have to survey all this. We would have to make 01:29:47.890 --> 01:29:49.000 sure that we understand. 01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:51.039 Are there any other underground utilities out here that we 01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:52.000 'd have to get out of the way? 01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:55.079 So there's a bunch of things that we would have to do just 01:29:55.079 --> 01:29:58.279 because we'd be moving everything over a little bit before 01:29:58.279 --> 01:30:00.000 we go put streetlights in. 01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:06.000 So I walked that this morning. Yes sir. Because I was 01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:06.000 curious. 01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:13.000 And it would seem I was surprised about having to consider 01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:18.920 moving utilities because we're going to be doing from curb 01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:22.000 to curb anyway, right? 01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:27.359 So if we're just if we're just taking the north curb and 01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:33.069 moving it towards the center of the street by three or four 01:30:33.069 --> 01:30:34.000 feet. 01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:38.250 Yes sir. Why would that cost any more for utility reloc 01:30:38.250 --> 01:30:41.000 ation to make that sidewalk wider? 01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:43.079 I'm not saying it would necessarily cost us any more for 01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:45.000 utility relocation, but it would take time to figure out. 01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:49.890 For instance, are there cable lines? Are there power lines 01:30:49.890 --> 01:30:52.960 that we're not seeing? Is there a gas line, service line, 01:30:52.960 --> 01:30:55.369 water line that runs from say the middle of the street to 01:30:55.369 --> 01:30:56.000 the house? 01:30:56.000 --> 01:30:58.550 We want to know where those are before we start digging the 01:30:58.550 --> 01:31:01.289 road. Sometimes those facilities are shallower than you 01:31:01.289 --> 01:31:04.000 would think, especially on an older road. 01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:07.199 And it's cheaper for us to identify it up front rather than 01:31:07.199 --> 01:31:10.060 hit it when we're in the field and then try to figure a 01:31:10.060 --> 01:31:12.000 workaround out in the field. 01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:16.890 But would we not be doing that anyway as we're resurfacing 01:31:16.890 --> 01:31:18.000 the road? 01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:21.409 Not necessarily. Really? It depends on what we're doing to 01:31:21.409 --> 01:31:23.000 the road. This was strictly more of it. 01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:25.640 We're doing some utility relocations, but because we'll be 01:31:25.640 --> 01:31:29.600 pulling the curb in closer, we'd want to verify that what's 01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:32.359 under the sidewalk is not something else we also have to 01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:33.000 get into. 01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:36.359 The roadway's pretty well been explored. That's not what we 01:31:36.359 --> 01:31:39.510 're worried about. But when I start bringing an existing 01:31:39.510 --> 01:31:42.689 sidewalk over five foot, I want to know what's in that area 01:31:42.689 --> 01:31:43.000 . 01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:45.380 I've got some water meters. I've got some other things that 01:31:45.380 --> 01:31:47.600 probably wouldn't have been considered because we were 01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:53.000 staying in between the curbs. Does that make sense? 01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:58.000 I think. 01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:00.829 Small long lines of doing our due diligence, front end 01:32:00.829 --> 01:32:04.000 loading the project so that when we get into construction, 01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:07.140 we're not costing more in delay, time, and money by the 01:32:07.140 --> 01:32:08.000 workarounds. 01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:10.649 Well, I think part of what my thought was is as I walked it 01:32:10.649 --> 01:32:13.000 , I walked both sides, north and the south. 01:32:13.000 --> 01:32:21.430 I think I only counted two or maybe three of the decorative 01:32:21.430 --> 01:32:25.880 , old timey looking street pedestrian lamps like we have on 01:32:25.880 --> 01:32:27.000 Oak Street. 01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:31.479 They were very far apart. And I think that we were 01:32:31.479 --> 01:32:34.869 basically relying on the other street lamps that are on the 01:32:34.869 --> 01:32:38.100 utility poles, the wooden utility poles, to light the 01:32:38.100 --> 01:32:41.000 street, light the way for the pedestrians. 01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:45.539 So when I was walking on the north side, I was thinking 01:32:45.539 --> 01:32:50.000 there could be enough light simply to rely on the light 01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:54.579 that's currently available and simply make the north 01:32:54.579 --> 01:32:59.479 sidewalk a little bit wider without necessarily doing the 01:32:59.479 --> 01:33:02.729 lights on that side because those lights are fairly far 01:33:02.729 --> 01:33:03.000 apart. 01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:07.159 Anyway, it does not provide continuous lighting. It's not 01:33:07.159 --> 01:33:10.600 like the lamp that goes to this edge and then there's 01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:14.000 another lamp that's connecting straight to it. 01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:20.279 It's almost more aesthetic than it is anything else. And I 01:33:20.279 --> 01:33:23.260 was just thinking, as I was walking on the north side, this 01:33:23.260 --> 01:33:25.000 sidewalk feels very narrow. 01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:30.449 And in some cases, it's completely blocked by some trash 01:33:30.449 --> 01:33:35.000 dumpsters and some tree jut juts and things. 01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:38.640 It would be, I think it would be impossible for a person in 01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:42.000 a wheelchair to navigate the north side anyway. 01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:43.000 Yes. 01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:44.000 Go ahead. 01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:47.609 This is the project where Council received several emails 01:33:47.609 --> 01:33:51.000 in support of this. Is this that same project? 01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:56.060 It was a while ago and we didn't discuss it at that time as 01:33:56.060 --> 01:34:00.710 a depth, but I remember several emails from either 01:34:00.710 --> 01:34:03.000 homeowners on the street. 01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:04.000 Right. Excuse me. 01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:07.000 Willing to give up part of their property. 01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:10.000 I mean, well, I mean, was. 01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:13.329 Well, this was brought up, I believe in November, it was 01:34:13.329 --> 01:34:15.000 brought up in September. 01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:22.340 So I walked the same the street as well. Councilman Gregory 01:34:22.340 --> 01:34:23.739 and the request was made, you know, since you're about to 01:34:23.739 --> 01:34:25.000 go on to the end of construction. 01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:28.229 Could you take one last look at how you can basically mimic 01:34:28.229 --> 01:34:30.000 Hickory like you did on Oak? 01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:32.699 And that's what we brought forward to you all. And you also 01:34:32.699 --> 01:34:34.000 please go explore. 01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:36.659 But yes, I think there were some emails that were received 01:34:36.659 --> 01:34:39.380 by the city council members by city council members or at 01:34:39.380 --> 01:34:42.930 least on the mobility committee members about there being 01:34:42.930 --> 01:34:44.000 support for this. 01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:48.239 So in light of the time that we have left, we have about 01:34:48.239 --> 01:34:52.000 eight minutes. 01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:54.890 We have read the backup. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm actually in 01:34:54.890 --> 01:34:57.000 favor of the two streets matching. 01:34:57.000 --> 01:35:01.050 And I think the more light we have, the better it is for 01:35:01.050 --> 01:35:05.000 our pedestrians and people walking in that area. 01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:12.000 It makes it safe. And so I am I am in favor of the design. 01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:15.789 Where does the money come from? Where does the extra nine 01:35:15.789 --> 01:35:19.000 hundred fifty thousand dollars come from? 01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:25.119 You want to fill that one? Well, that is our next effort is 01:35:25.119 --> 01:35:29.689 to go seek those funds to see what's available within the 01:35:29.689 --> 01:35:33.699 city or other projects that that where the money would be 01:35:33.699 --> 01:35:35.000 coming from. 01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:38.489 I think our first step was to bring this forward to you all 01:35:38.489 --> 01:35:42.069 to see if there is any any consideration to move, move the 01:35:42.069 --> 01:35:45.270 the ask any further along so that we can go do that due 01:35:45.270 --> 01:35:50.000 diligence with our finance department and seek those funds. 01:35:50.000 --> 01:35:54.479 I think that that once that road gets repaved, the old 01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:58.920 traffic calming mechanism of potholes will no longer be 01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:02.699 useful and people will be driving down the road 01:36:02.699 --> 01:36:05.000 significantly faster. 01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:09.000 So narrowing the lanes, I think are appropriate. 01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:12.500 Acquiring additional right of way, I think, is 01:36:12.500 --> 01:36:16.000 inappropriate and it would be too expensive. 01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:19.079 I'd be in favor of acquiring additional right of way on 01:36:19.079 --> 01:36:20.000 either side. 01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:24.289 So narrowing the lanes, as long as it did not impact in any 01:36:24.289 --> 01:36:28.430 way the bike lanes, I would be OK with seeing that that 01:36:28.430 --> 01:36:30.000 sidewalk widened. 01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:33.909 I'm OK with I'm not sure I would be hesitant about about 01:36:33.909 --> 01:36:38.300 lighting on the north side if we can have adequate lighting 01:36:38.300 --> 01:36:42.510 on the south side that would that would eliminate that site 01:36:42.510 --> 01:36:43.000 . 01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:48.079 I haven't walked it at night. I need to go back and do that 01:36:48.079 --> 01:36:52.000 to see it because it may not be adequate at all. 01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:57.899 So I guess the direction is to move this on to full council 01:36:57.899 --> 01:36:58.000 . 01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:02.250 But as you do so, we would need to see some specifics on 01:37:02.250 --> 01:37:07.000 recommendations for where the funding would come from. 01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:08.000 Yes, sir. OK. 01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:12.600 And also a report on what it's like at night, like if the 01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:17.000 adequate lighting is adequate for safety or not. 01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:19.970 Well, that may be that we all need to walk it at night and 01:37:19.970 --> 01:37:23.000 see what our personal feelings are about adequacy. 01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:25.000 You know, I'd be scared if it's too dark. 01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:29.279 Well, I'll walk with you because I'm a big, strong man and 01:37:29.279 --> 01:37:33.000 I can protect you from all kinds of bad things. 01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:36.029 Of course, I understand you're you're learning how to pack 01:37:36.029 --> 01:37:39.000 heat these days, so and taking karate and everything. 01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:42.000 Maybe you'd protect me. You'd protect an old elderly man. 01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:46.140 I loved it when earlier you were talking about the youth 01:37:46.140 --> 01:37:49.829 getting bike passes and the elderly and you put my 01:37:49.829 --> 01:37:53.000 direction and I qualified, by the way. 01:37:53.000 --> 01:37:55.000 Thank you, Mr. Astes. 01:37:55.000 --> 01:38:04.000 Next item is H staff reports. 01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:14.000 Oh, I mentioned I skipped it. 01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:19.899 I have one I think would be item six, which is on the McKin 01:38:19.899 --> 01:38:25.000 ney Street project pedestrian signal status on that. 01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:28.329 And then after that, if you've got any quick heads for us 01:38:28.329 --> 01:38:31.479 to add to the future items, we'll take those after the pre- 01:38:31.479 --> 01:38:32.000 trial. 01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:33.000 OK. 01:38:33.000 --> 01:38:36.800 So for that particular signalized intersection, McKinney at 01:38:36.800 --> 01:38:39.000 Mayhill was the question there. 01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:43.960 And we have installed pedestrian buttons as well as the 01:38:43.960 --> 01:38:47.000 pedestrian heads that flash. 01:38:47.000 --> 01:38:52.930 So for now, we have capability of the signal stops for 01:38:52.930 --> 01:38:57.609 pedestrians to cross and they get the this is an interim 01:38:57.609 --> 01:39:00.000 situation in the moving forward. 01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:07.250 Mayhill will come in and kind of work with starting it as a 01:39:07.250 --> 01:39:10.510 as it goes. Mayhill project will start from that 01:39:10.510 --> 01:39:12.000 intersection and go further south. 01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:15.000 OK, thank you. Thank you so much. 01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:18.329 The only thing I would ask as we're talking about the 01:39:18.329 --> 01:39:22.800 aesthetic enhancements along I-35, we had set aside funds 01:39:22.800 --> 01:39:27.000 for transportation projects for those kinds of things. 01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:30.920 When I think about what we've seen with the presentation of 01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:34.960 the medallions there near the North Texas Boulevard Bridge 01:39:34.960 --> 01:39:40.989 and what I've seen as far as aesthetic enhancements around 01:39:40.989 --> 01:39:46.000 Hickory Creek, around the lake. 01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:50.689 I'm very curious as to how much they spent on those kinds 01:39:50.689 --> 01:39:55.689 of enhancements because it's sort of a theme of like things 01:39:55.689 --> 01:40:00.859 like that. The brick, the poured concrete with the mural 01:40:00.859 --> 01:40:02.000 sort of thing. 01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:06.180 Form liners. OK. It's in the millions of dollars. We can 01:40:06.180 --> 01:40:09.420 pull that information. I'd be curious. Just just in that 01:40:09.420 --> 01:40:14.010 could come in the form of just informal staff report or 01:40:14.010 --> 01:40:15.000 something. 01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:20.000 I would mention one thing. If you recall the North Texas, 01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:23.670 the North Texas Bridge reconstruction was the only 01:40:23.670 --> 01:40:27.649 intersection that was in phase one of the 35 Express 01:40:27.649 --> 01:40:29.000 project that was. 01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:33.029 And so as we move further south in phase two and they would 01:40:33.029 --> 01:40:36.960 do that reconstruction, it will provide us an opportunity 01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:40.670 to do a more robust or more comprehensive aesthetic program 01:40:40.670 --> 01:40:41.000 . 01:40:41.000 --> 01:40:46.899 All right. Anything else for today's meeting. I have one 01:40:46.899 --> 01:40:50.640 concluding item. So I remember last meeting we talked about 01:40:50.640 --> 01:40:54.140 future projects going forward and this one was on there but 01:40:54.140 --> 01:40:57.560 it's getting more and more difficult to turn left on the 3 01:40:57.560 --> 01:40:59.000 80 from Old North. 01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:02.890 And I know that there has been a couple of accidents 01:41:02.890 --> 01:41:07.430 because I've seen them in the past few months. So just if 01:41:07.430 --> 01:41:11.689 we can have an update on the intersection with the amount 01:41:11.689 --> 01:41:16.000 of racks and what other things that we can do there. 01:41:16.000 --> 01:41:21.039 So I know that that lighting project was for the future. I 01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:26.149 don't know how future that that is maybe an update on that. 01:41:26.149 --> 01:41:29.239 And that's really that's it. Can I get a point of 01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:30.000 clarification on that when you say left. 01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:34.109 So is that a northbound to eastbound or I'm sorry south 01:41:34.109 --> 01:41:38.689 bound eastbound on the old north going east turning on to 3 01:41:38.689 --> 01:41:40.000 80 left. 01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:46.670 But it's old north going south south. Okay. Southbound on 01:41:46.670 --> 01:41:49.829 old north turning east on to university. Right. There's not 01:41:49.829 --> 01:41:53.189 a an arrow. And so people try to rush really fast. Why 01:41:53.189 --> 01:41:57.000 other people are coming straight. 01:41:57.000 --> 01:42:03.119 Okay. Okay. If there's nothing else and we're going to 01:42:03.119 --> 01:42:11.000 adjourn the meeting at 1114 1114 let the record show.