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To order at 932, we're meeting at City Hall 215 East McKin

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ney Street in Denton, and the first item on the agenda is to

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consider approval of the Mobility Committee of the Denton

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City Council meeting minutes from October the 10th.

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I move for approval.

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And I, well I can't second, but, but all those in favor

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raise your hand. It passes unanimously.

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With your permission, we're going to move to item G on the

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agenda, having to do with the TextDOT online system because

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we have some representatives from the, from TextDOT here to

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talk about that.

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And we can let them get back to work so that they can be

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getting those two lanes going to three lanes and making all

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of our citizens happy.

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So, Mr. Nelson.

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That's fine with me.

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Good morning Mr. Chairman, Mobility Committee.

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As you stated, we do have a couple of representatives from

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the Denton area office, actually the project manager for

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TextDOT.

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Brandon Barnett and then Jay Loomis is also here. What I'd

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like to do rather than start from the very beginning, we

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can go ahead and push forward to that particular project,

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which is the 35E Brinker 288 Mayhill Project.

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Yeah, and if you would, I suspect you're going to do this,

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but as we saw in the letter to the editor this morning,

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there are people that are scratching their heads about why

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we had the project, Phase 1 basically completed with the

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three lanes each direction except for that section where Br

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inker Road is going to be going under the interstate.

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So if you could kind of explain that.

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We can do that. I'll actually allow John Polster to walk

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through that, but again it was really a reassessment.

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So this is the this is the particular project in question.

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That's the I-35E Mayhill.

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I think that's the wrong one.

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Yep, you're right.

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There we go.

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Sorry about that. Appreciate your patience.

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That's the I-35E Luke 28 Brinker Mayhill. We've kind of

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identified this as a Phase 1B as you know, AGL has

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substantially completed the 35 Express Project, which is

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the larger project with the 28 mile project from 635 in

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Dallas all the way up to 380 here in Denton.

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And so in fact they just had the ribbon cutting last week

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down at Highland Village.

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And so again, there's a handful of nominal items, cleanup

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items that AGL is doing up and down the corridor, but they

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are substantially complete.

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You've got an update in the back of your packet that talks

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about the medallions, which is the aesthetic project.

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It looks like they'll be completing that towards supposedly

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mounted the UNT medallions this week and then they'll mount

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the Denton medallions next week.

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But all that to say is that they do have a handful of other

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nominal projects, cleanup projects on the 35 Express

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Project that they'll be completing.

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But this particular project, Phase 1, what we've called it

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as Phase 1B, is essentially was established or came after

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the fact or while we're, after the project had already been

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let, the 35 Express Project, whereby the city of Denton was

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requesting TxDOT to take a second look at some of the

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intersections and mobility issues associated with 288.

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And Brinker, we had a funding opportunity to work with a

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developer as well as with the county and then TxDOT to

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advance that particular project.

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And so again, what this particular project does is it opens

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up the 288 intersection to its full complement.

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It pushes through Brinker just south of there.

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There had been a Texas turnaround that was about a thousand

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feet further south towards the hospital.

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It was just going to be a turnaround northbound, southbound

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, southbound, northbound.

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But we requested to push that further north and connect to

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Brinker, which would provide some additional mobility

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capacity for the retail area up near the mall, an

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alternative route to Loop 288 accessing northbound, south

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bound 35, as well as adding a Texas turnaround at Mayhill to

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provide a little bit more capacity for that particular

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intersection.

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So with that, I'd like to turn it over to John Polster and

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kind of walk through that where we are at this point in

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time.

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So at the beginning of the project, we had about $1.1, $1.2

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billion to try to do a $5 billion project.

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So we had to find some economy skills.

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There were some project components that were not included

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in the original scope of the project, 288 being one of

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those projects.

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We added projects throughout the life of the contract.

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We added direct connects at 121, the collector distributor,

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the post oak bridge, as the revenues came online.

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The revenues for this particular improvement came late

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enough into the contract with AGL that TechStop did not

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want to add any additional scope of services to the AGL

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contract.

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So they went and had a separate contract done and OHL got

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that project.

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And so OHL essentially takes over for AGL in that segment

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from just right around Mayhill to just north of 288.

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The improvements that are lacking in the corridor right now

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compared to the other parts of 35 to the north and south

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there are improvements that had AGL put those in,

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OHL in another two or three months would be coming in and

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ripping out because we're going to be bringing in field

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dirt there and raising the elevation of 35.

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So where the main lanes are now will be under a lot of dirt

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and a lot of field.

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So TechStop decided to take that part of the contract that

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AGL had to resurface and add the third lane and put it in

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the OHL contract because ultimately OHL would be doing that

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anyway.

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So the timing isn't perfect, but funding is never perfect

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in timing as well and that's the issue.

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We got the money later in the process, we decided to go

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ahead and bite the bullet and do it.

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So we knew there would be a period of time where the

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segment between 288 and Mayhill would be less useful as

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those sections to the north and south.

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So that's kind of where we're at.

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So as this project moves forward, we started with OHL.

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We've got a timeline that we're trying to address.

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This says February. We currently, TechStop is not accepting

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that timeline.

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The contract says August of '18.

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OHL and TechStop are working to create a recovery schedule

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to get it back into the summer of 2018.

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And with that, we're going to be talking about another

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topic that is going to impact the city for the duration of

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the project.

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And that is we have to, in order to come in and make these

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improvements, go back to some of the closures that we had

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during the cycle for AGL.

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One of those is the fact that we're going to have to be

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closing down Dallas Drive as it goes into 35 Southbound out

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of downtown.

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And that notice will be given today.

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Ten days from today, the contract requires that to be

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closed.

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And then the contractor will begin to move the Southbound

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frontage road to its new location so they can start moving

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the Southbound main lanes and then the northbound main

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lanes.

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And so when we presented this, you know, pre-Tem didn't get

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to experience the joy and pleasure of going through all the

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traffic control meetings first through with AGL.

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And so when he saw that we were proposing to shut down

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Dallas Drive after we revived him, got him off the floor,

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he started saying that, you know, we needed to look at

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alternatives.

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So we met yesterday. There's really, there's no really good

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alternatives.

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We have to shut it down.

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And if we move too much of the closures and the phasing of

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this project, too much more than what we've already got,

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there's a jeopardy that it'll push our schedule back into

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the 2019 time frame.

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So we're trying to hold to that schedule.

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So I've got Brandon Barnett and Jay Loomis here. They're

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the project managers for this project.

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We just want to let you know that come 10 days from now,

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Dallas Drive closes. That'll put pressure on on Teasley.

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That'll put pressure on, you know, 288. And then at some

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point during this process, 288 will become less habitable

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because we have to reconstruct that bridge across 35.

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So it's just going to be a pretty rough 12 months. So pre-

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10 wanted us to come tell you.

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Shawn, before you hear it from the public.

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One of the things that may be helpful is if you or Brandon

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can talk about the phasing of the southbound frontage road,

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then the shifting of the traffic and then how how and when,

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or at least the schedule proposes a brinker than 288.

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Well, if that's okay, I want to ask Brandon come up to the

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mic to do that because he's the man with the plan.

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Good morning.

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As John said, my name is Brandon Barnett. I'm the project

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manager out there on this project.

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The phase into this project starts with building the new

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frontage road.

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Wanted to make sure your mic was on.

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Is building new frontage road just from south of Goodwill

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to just past the achievers.

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We're going to be putting in new frontage road there.

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Matter of fact, we're looking probably about the first week

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we're going to have that road.

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You're going to see the new asphalt down and we're going to

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be starting that shift.

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The shift goes with the existing frontage road moving over

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to the new frontage road.

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The southbound main lanes move to the old frontage road.

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The northbound main lanes go to the southbound side.

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So you're we're transitioning everyone over to the south

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bound side of I-35E.

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So that means I've got to get northbound over to the south,

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not only on the south end, but when we get up to the north

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end at 77, they're on the south side.

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And I've got to get back over to the north side.

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That's the reason for the closure of the 77 entrance.

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Once that's done, now I've got to move everyone back to the

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northbound side.

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That means I've got to take southbound and move them to the

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north.

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And so having that entrance come in is detrimental to not

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only the traveling public, but to us working there and

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building these transitions and getting the traffic.

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So what we're trying to do is minimize as much moving as

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possible with the traffic with the public.

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Essentially what we're doing is we're moving the main lanes

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to the south.

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And then we're going to be building the structure for the

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northbound side.

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Yes. Once that's done, then we'll move the traffic back to

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the to the I guess I'm going to say the west.

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And then we'll do the same thing.

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You all have seen it when we did 35, when we did North

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Texas Boulevard and McCormick.

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We moved the traffic to one side, build part of the bridge,

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move the traffic to the other side, build the other part of

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the bridge.

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So during that phase shifting, interjecting that Dallas

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Drive, which is already still a difficult movement with the

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reduced number of lanes we have there, is problematic to

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the phasing of the project.

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So they have to close it.

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You'll be able to then go make the U-turn, come back to Te

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asley.

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And then if you want to go south, make the U-turn and go

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back around going south.

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And we talked to Preetem about maybe once we get this

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closure established that he could go back and look at ways

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to tweak the signals to try to encourage people to go in a

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direction that he feels is more conducive to reducing road

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rage.

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I think it would be very helpful.

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Thank you, by the way, for being here and sharing that

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information with us.

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I was wondering about what appeared to be, as I was driving

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past it the other day, in front of where the Buc-E's will

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be.

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That's where those new service roads are.

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Frontage roads.

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I understand that people call them different things in

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different locations.

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They do.

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I think it would be really helpful for our public

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information office to craft some really important

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information that would go out in a press release to the

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papers and also show up on our website.

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And I think that some of the things that are important to

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put in there is that the 35 Project started as a $5 billion

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project with $1.2 billion in funding.

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Things had to be cut.

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So it was a Phase 1 and a Phase 2.

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And that after Phase 1 came out and was approved, we

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continued here locally.

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I think this is important, that we continue to work here

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locally to add some elements that were very important to

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mobility within the city.

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And that we were able to actually squeeze in the Post Oak

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Bridge in Phase 1.

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And that we crafted a Phase 1B to get intersections at Loop

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288, Brinker, and at Mayhill.

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And that the Brinker intersection will provide access to

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all of those hotels on what we, I suppose, call the north

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side.

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The northbound side.

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Oh, that's a good way of putting it.

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Thank you.

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You must have done this before.

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So all of the hotels and the restaurants on the northbound

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side and the new commercial developments that's going in on

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the southbound side.

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We can say new commercial development so that we don't have

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to say Buc-E's, which causes some people to get a little

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bit anxious.

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So anyway, I think if we could get that kind of information

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out on the website in a press release and maybe in the

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upcoming one of the --

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I know that space is really an issue in the utility packet,

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the utility bill.

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But if part of that information could also be, we could

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take -- citizens of Denton could take a little bit of

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pressure off of this if we just decided that we were not

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going to use 35 to get out to Bill Elder Ford.

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There's another way to do that.

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We can do that a different way.

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[ Inaudible ]

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Okay. So one positive scenario that's going to happen with

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these closures is that your in-town mobility will be

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different and somewhat more arduous.

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But the actual traffic on 35 will experience a little bit

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of a relief because right now we have three lanes going

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into two and 77 coming in.

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There's that conflict that's occurring.

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Once we close 77, we start moving these lanes to where they

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're supposed to be, the traffic that's on 35 will have a

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little bit better experience than your residents.

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Have we had any feedback from citizens about the current

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exit off of northbound 35 onto Dallas Drive where there are

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these two lanes that very quickly go to one lane?

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It was a shock and I had a -- there was somewhat of a p

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ucker factor there for me.

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So have you had any feedback?

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Is that the technical term?

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I learned it from you, sir.

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So the process that Texas is going through right now with A

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GL is they're going to put together a punch list item for

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the entire 30-mile corridor.

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And then once they get that done, before they determine

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this project is -- punch list is done or the total that's

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in it's going to be done and they do substantial completion

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, they're going to come back to the city of Denton, they're

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going to come back to Louisville and the lake cities, and

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they're going to seek to get y'all's input on what y'all

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think are issues that need to be resolved before the

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contract is closed.

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That's been one item that we've already tagged at TechStat,

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the strategic project office.

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But like I said, you'll have another shot at it.

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But yeah, those are the types of things during this punch

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list item that we want to get resolved.

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So when we get comments from citizens, to whom should we

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direct those so that they get put in the mix?

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You can go ahead and --

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So we'll get you that email address.

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You need to have your microphone on when you speak.

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Dalton, we'll get you that email address and you can go

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ahead and CC me.

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Okay.

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So if we send it to Brandon Barnett and then CC me, I'll

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work then internally whether I need to work with Mr. Pol

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ster or with Todd Estes or pre-Tim in terms of other issues.

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Yeah, the only thing I would say is that if you've got a

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concern that a citizen has given to you, you don't need to

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worry about who it needs to go to, per se, because you've

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got a city to run.

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You know that you've got to get it to Mark or Mario and

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then we'll get it to the right folks.

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Okay.

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So that's what I'd suggest is get it to your right staff

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member and then we'll get the answer for it.

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Okay.

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We'll funnel them all to you guys and then you all can send

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them out and get them lined up.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Go ahead.

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Do you have anything?

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We are -- both of the members present today are under the

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weather.

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I am not practicing for some kind of special phone work.

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I can't believe I said that.

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So I'm going to -- we can go ahead and scroll through and

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finish this particular item with commentary from Mr. Pol

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ster.

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Okay.

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I will go quickly.

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So we have the 2181 North-South project.

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We have the pre-construction meeting that occurred October

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5th.

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The MCM has worked with the city to get their batch plant

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permit established and the timeline we got for the other

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day started November 6th.

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And I haven't got that in the report because I sent this

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report out and then they told us they started time on

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November 6th.

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So your contract starts.

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It's the 674 working days and we will start putting in the

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report, an actual construction report from MCM.

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But like I say, their contract time started November 6th

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and they are excited about the batch plant being in the

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right place.

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The Fort Worth Drive project, we are looking at a May ready

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to let on this issue.

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We're getting down to the very last part of our

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negotiations with UP on the Exhibit A.

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We went from 176 comments to about 79 and we got those down

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to about 34 and only about 17 are comments that we think

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are major.

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So we feel fairly confident by spring of next year this

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project is let for construction.

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And your utilities are on page five.

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They are all in that same zone from being cleared long

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before the project is let.

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And again, remember we're using, the contract will be used

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and the city will be using the contractor to install y'all

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's utilities in that project.

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Your 2499 section five, we're still on a December timeframe

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.

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We have the signal at Robinson Road, the plans for the

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location of it, where the poles go.

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The material has been ordered and as we receive it, Weber

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will be installing those and working with your traffic

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engineer to make sure they get set and established.

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We have a question.

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December, early December, late December, do we know or is

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it just whenever in December?

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I'm just kind of getting it.

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December.

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Okay.

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Probably closer towards the end, right?

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Towards the end, okay.

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So we don't want to open the road without the signal

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functioning.

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Right.

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So the contractor was pretty much getting done with what he

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's got to do at that section just where it ties into Mayhill

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.

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So we're just coordinating some of the punch list items so

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that it doesn't close until we get, I mean it doesn't open

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until we get the signal installed.

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So the signal is kind of the critical path.

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So it's tight.

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And pre-tem, weren't they pouring the foundations for those

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?

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No.

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Yes, they have the locations.

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When he submitted the 60% plans, that gives you the

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location and all the specs they need for the actual

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foundation.

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So it's just about when we get the material in and then it

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doesn't take long to get them installed.

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The long lead is usually the order of the material and

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getting it in for the signal.

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So it's December.

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Yeah.

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So we've already submitted the 90% plans and Tech started

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reviewing that.

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I was just saying, when you submitted the 60, that's all

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they needed in order to do the foundations.

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And the other thing that we're delayed for the materials is

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because of Hurricane Harvey, Houston is more of all the

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materials going in that direction.

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We're the last ones on the list to get the material.

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So there's at least a two to three week delay in getting

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material for signal equipment.

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OK, so your 35A Mayhill 2499 improvements.

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This just was like, what, last Thursday?

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Your city manager and staff met with Michael on all things

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Mayhill.

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And we should be getting a letter sometime this week saying

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that COG is going to help us with the funding on the actual

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bridge at Mayhill in 35 to go to the ultimate width of May

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hill.

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So it'll be two less, two throughs and two use.

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And then the grade separation at Mayhill from the four lane

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section across the DCTA facility.

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So it was very productive meeting.

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And COG seems very interested in putting investment in this

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corridor where they've got a significant amount of their

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resources invested because 2499 to the south is an RTR

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project, Mayhill to the north is an RTR project.

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So we should be able to have in writing some good news in

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the next four or five days that the COG staff is going to

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be recommending a funding opportunity for these two

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projects.

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And just to clarify that is Michael Morris, director of

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transportation for North Central Texas Council.

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What did I say?

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Michael.

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I thought there was only one Michael.

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Unless you don't count the archangel.

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All right, so we already talked about the Brinker project.

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We'll skip that one.

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So 35 north, there's also a significant push.

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We had when we had the riveting cutting for 35 V sometime

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last week.

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Wednesday.

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Last Wednesday.

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I lived it.

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We had Chairman Bug in attendance.

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And in that conversation, we were able to have we had Bill

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Hale there from his chief engineer now.

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We have Brian Barr, former DOS district employee, former

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district engineer, Fort Worth and then Kelly Salmon.

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We were able to do some conversations and I think there is

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some interest in the commission not looking silly by having

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35 in the Wichita Falls district, which is just north of us

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out of our county to the Oakland area.

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To the Oklahoma border being six lanes and then from three

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80 south, their improvements and this segment being left

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out.

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So they're in the process of looking at a new funding round

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for large projects.

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And we feel fairly confident we should get some news here

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in probably the next four to six months that this segment

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is not only coming close to being cleared by next year, but

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that there should be a funding source identified for it.

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That's big because you all see right now, once we get the

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brinker to to Mayhill improvements done or may help 288

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done your next big problem on 35 is that wishbone tying for

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35 W up to 288.

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That this was this will fix that problem.

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Okay, so your in town is open to be doing a punch list

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items, probably after this month we'll leave it in one more

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time and have a big green complete on it so it looks like

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we can celebrate on that.

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And so the question is, I mean sometimes what we'll do is

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see if the locals want to do like a ribbon cutting or some

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kind of celebration.

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If you want to, we can do that if you don't, you don't have

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to decide today.

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Some people don't want to be associated with that road. I

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understand.

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Just throwing it out there.

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And then,

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I'm calling this the,

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the Briggs improvement,

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because

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these are the and we met with the area office last Tuesday

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or whatever we had our technical committee meeting, and

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they are going to be getting me a schedule on when they

513
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:28,000
want to do this because this is something they're going to

514
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:28,000
do just with their maintenance.

515
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,000
People, and it's just something they're going to do.

516
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,730
So I'll get a schedule. They're working on schedule for us

517
00:29:33,730 --> 00:29:38,640
on that. So this is actually going to happen in a near term

518
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,000
.

519
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,789
So we believe that to be in the 90 to 120 day or certainly

520
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:46,069
within six months. So what will happen is if they decided

521
00:29:46,069 --> 00:29:49,079
to do with asphalt, we're going into the cold weather

522
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:50,000
timeframe.

523
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,609
So we got to work out some logistics on what it is we're

524
00:29:53,609 --> 00:29:55,000
actually going to do.

525
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,000
And then they'll tell us what the schedule is.

526
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000
There's only certain times you do asphalt.

527
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,079
All the improvements will be done to the inside on tech

528
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:09,430
start right away we're looking at maybe making it where we

529
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:10,000
avoid

530
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:16,000
avoid that, that control box in the median.

531
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,750
That's the city's, I think it's part of their signal and

532
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:23,000
equipment.

533
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:28,910
The East, this project is fully funded at a little over $

534
00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:32,609
130 million. It's been designed in house in the green

535
00:30:32,609 --> 00:30:34,000
section.

536
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,079
But the third floor, I think, is doing that. So it's fairly

537
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:40,000
easy, straightforward.

538
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,000
When you say in house, that's text up in house text.

539
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:54,000
I apologize. The blue section is being done by text. And it

540
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,000
is they've got two firms, trans systems and white oak

541
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,000
engineers doing the blue section for PS and E.

542
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:59,000
There's a total of 114 parcels in both segments.

543
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,789
I think there's like 89 in the blue and balances in the in

544
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:04,000
the in the green.

545
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000
And so that's your critical path.

546
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,630
We're looking at having an environment cleared the summer

547
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:12,000
of 2018.

548
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,150
But there's a significant amount of right away to be

549
00:31:15,150 --> 00:31:16,000
acquired.

550
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,000
And we're looking at they're saying a year and hopefully

551
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:25,299
because I know that Frisco and little L and Solana and

552
00:31:25,299 --> 00:31:28,000
prosper have been

553
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,809
because that's where all the active developments going in

554
00:31:31,809 --> 00:31:35,779
have been doing fairly aggressive setback requirements for

555
00:31:35,779 --> 00:31:37,000
that quarter.

556
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,430
So we feel like this the right away, although there are

557
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:44,170
large, large number of parcels, most of the people are

558
00:31:44,170 --> 00:31:48,339
already aware and have been preparing for the fact that

559
00:31:48,339 --> 00:31:50,000
they're going to get the right away acquired.

560
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,170
A lot of it's commercial. And so we think we can expedite

561
00:31:53,170 --> 00:31:54,000
that time frame.

562
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,000
That's the issue.

563
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,680
Question. So I know that this section was widened several

564
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,000
years back.

565
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:06,569
So with a situation like that, did they plan that this soon

566
00:32:06,569 --> 00:32:10,000
it would need to be widened again?

567
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,109
Was that part of the thought process or did this just kind

568
00:32:14,109 --> 00:32:18,869
of sneak up quicker than it snuck up on the council

569
00:32:18,869 --> 00:32:23,579
governments, it did not sneak up on the folks in Denton

570
00:32:23,579 --> 00:32:24,000
County that were pushing this project.

571
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,480
Because years ago we were we were trying to get additional

572
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,000
funding for 380 and we're talking 15 years ago.

573
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,480
And we made the mistake of having a meeting out here in the

574
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,000
middle of the day.

575
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,710
We brought the director of transportation out there and he

576
00:32:43,710 --> 00:32:48,299
was not convinced that the need existed. He said this is

577
00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:53,369
the only facility seen that could actually land at 747 on

578
00:32:53,369 --> 00:32:54,000
it.

579
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,000
Nobody got hurt.

580
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,000
That's that was his argument.

581
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,369
We were arguing that we knew what was coming. We were

582
00:33:01,369 --> 00:33:04,579
arguing that they've always kind of soft played our

583
00:33:04,579 --> 00:33:08,349
demographics for whatever reason they always do that to the

584
00:33:08,349 --> 00:33:10,000
northern counties.

585
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,789
We tried for a very long time to get this project funded

586
00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:17,210
and the first time we did it where we went to the four

587
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:21,079
lanes with the wide median. It literally took an act of

588
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:25,240
Congress because the Corps of Engineers were adamant about

589
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,000
not allowing 380 to widen.

590
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,269
And so back back then and there was at one point when we

591
00:33:32,269 --> 00:33:37,160
were doing this constructing what we got approved where the

592
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,579
text that area engineer called and said that the Corps of

593
00:33:41,579 --> 00:33:44,140
Engineers says that they're bringing out the US Marshals to

594
00:33:44,140 --> 00:33:46,750
stop them from working because they're outside of their

595
00:33:46,750 --> 00:33:48,000
permit area.

596
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,000
And one of the county to help.

597
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,789
So we called the our congressional office and worked on

598
00:33:55,789 --> 00:34:00,140
that so we knew that 380 was an issue for a long time. We

599
00:34:00,140 --> 00:34:03,569
just couldn't get the region to understand what was going

600
00:34:03,569 --> 00:34:04,000
on.

601
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,000
So now we're catching up.

602
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Okay.

603
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,860
And there's literally, if you look at the demographics here

604
00:34:11,860 --> 00:34:16,659
we're already at 75,000 cars a day in 2035. So we were

605
00:34:16,659 --> 00:34:20,179
trying to do a freeway at one point, didn't county gave

606
00:34:20,179 --> 00:34:23,570
almost a million dollars to call in county because they

607
00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:28,000
were doing a study to do turn 380 into a freeway.

608
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,559
And so we paid for our part of the study to do a controlled

609
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:34,000
access facility.

610
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:40,559
And McKinney and prosper and Frisco at the time balked at a

611
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:42,000
freeway.

612
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,219
And so calling county backed away from doing a freeway

613
00:34:45,219 --> 00:34:49,210
segment. So, then we went today. If you're not going to do

614
00:34:49,210 --> 00:34:51,909
the work give us our money back because we've made the

615
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:54,000
mistake of up front in the payment.

616
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,150
And it took us a long time to get the money back so we were

617
00:34:57,150 --> 00:34:59,000
actually trying to design.

618
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,909
380 is a freeway so what we ended up with is that a hint

619
00:35:04,909 --> 00:35:07,000
mark where you get me to go on.

620
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,099
Okay, quick. So what we ended up with is a compromise what

621
00:35:10,099 --> 00:35:13,809
we have is what's called a super street structure. So we're

622
00:35:13,809 --> 00:35:19,250
going to have a great separations that till legacy for 237

623
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:21,000
20 and Navo.

624
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,559
So in those major arterials that come and hit 380 you will

625
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:27,659
not have to stop for cross street traffic they will come

626
00:35:27,659 --> 00:35:31,340
either under over. Come on ramps and get on the facility so

627
00:35:31,340 --> 00:35:35,320
we're eliminating as many of the complex as possible you'll

628
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,480
still have mayhill you'll still have, you know, some other

629
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,000
small roads but

630
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,900
that'll help with the traffic right we'll get pretend to

631
00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:47,909
cheat all those signals that he can, so that if you come up

632
00:35:47,909 --> 00:35:50,539
to that facility at that street you'll try to go to one

633
00:35:50,539 --> 00:35:53,570
that has a great separation next time because you don't get

634
00:35:53,570 --> 00:35:55,000
on.

635
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,170
Or we can go with a great separation from a health next

636
00:35:59,170 --> 00:36:01,000
next next time.

637
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,590
28 West. This is a project where we're getting

638
00:36:03,590 --> 00:36:06,409
environmentally cleared it's the, I'll tell you is the EA

639
00:36:06,409 --> 00:36:10,159
approval says December 2020 the reason it's in 2020 right

640
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:13,480
now is because we're doing the mobility 2045 update once we

641
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,000
get that done sometime in spring next year

642
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,289
we'll be able to change that to a more current date. Right

643
00:36:19,289 --> 00:36:22,000
now it's not in the mobility plan so we can't show it.

644
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:31,909
And while we're on that slide is the white area where it

645
00:36:31,909 --> 00:36:35,000
starts curving to the south.

646
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,000
Is that is that crumb. This area here yes.

647
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:44,909
Now, who is communicating with the city of crumb on on that

648
00:36:44,909 --> 00:36:51,519
issue and how that's working. So, we're also one in FM 1173

649
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:52,000
.

650
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,329
So the county has a regular communication with crumb on

651
00:36:56,329 --> 00:37:01,269
transportation issues associated with their area including

652
00:37:01,269 --> 00:37:07,130
not only 1173 out to crumb proper but how 1173 is going to

653
00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:10,000
tie into 288, is it some.

654
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000
Yes, we are communicating with.

655
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000
Thank you.

656
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,000
I need to give it short answers.

657
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,539
So the FM 1515, we have LTR on contract, it works says we

658
00:37:20,539 --> 00:37:24,429
're supposed to go to commissioners court in November,

659
00:37:24,429 --> 00:37:28,630
unless that's going to happen on the 28th it won't happen

660
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:30,000
in November.

661
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,900
But I'll check on that, because my step was out last week

662
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:39,030
so I couldn't check on it but it's fully contracted, we've

663
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:41,860
got a green on the term on what it is, and we just got to

664
00:37:41,860 --> 00:37:43,000
get it executed.

665
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,179
And we told LTR a that the primary stakeholder in that

666
00:37:46,179 --> 00:37:49,210
project is the city of Denton and so they're, they

667
00:37:49,210 --> 00:37:52,780
basically have to coordinate with the city because you've

668
00:37:52,780 --> 00:37:56,579
got Bonnie Bray, where it ties in to the 35 project and you

669
00:37:56,579 --> 00:38:01,000
've got your airport so that's pretty much y'all are the

670
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,989
primary stakeholder for LTR a to make happy on that project

671
00:38:04,989 --> 00:38:05,000
.

672
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:15,869
Again, a clarification, widening the existing two line to a

673
00:38:15,869 --> 00:38:18,000
six lane.

674
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,070
And then your 1830 this is the, the shoulder project, you

675
00:38:22,070 --> 00:38:25,389
know there were some folks that had some concerns about

676
00:38:25,389 --> 00:38:26,000
this.

677
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,820
And so we just started to start reporting it to you what we

678
00:38:28,820 --> 00:38:30,000
're doing out there.

679
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,239
And then the ultimate, this is just to come in and do the

680
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,960
12 foot planes and then do a three foot shoulder along the

681
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,739
corridor, and then text that is in the process of

682
00:38:42,739 --> 00:38:47,980
developing 1830 as a four lane divided facility and so we

683
00:38:47,980 --> 00:38:53,000
're having a conversation as to what divided means because

684
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,000
in a rural setting,

685
00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:00,000
you typically don't want to have a divided facility.

686
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,070
And so there may be at areas where part of 1830 has a

687
00:39:03,070 --> 00:39:04,000
raised median.

688
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,440
There may be areas of 1830 to have a flush median, and it

689
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,920
may be areas 1830 that have a multiple median, depending

690
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,469
upon what decisions the district makes and all those

691
00:39:16,469 --> 00:39:20,289
conversations will be vetted back through your staff to

692
00:39:20,289 --> 00:39:23,000
make sure we're doing what you want.

693
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,210
So the way that the area merges with 377 is what a lot of

694
00:39:27,210 --> 00:39:30,000
the locals call Country Club Road.

695
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,800
Is that correct. Yeah, so up at up at the north part or the

696
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,650
. Yes, so that we're going to do an inner improvement with

697
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:43,280
377 for drive project, assuming we get it let next March or

698
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:49,980
spring, where we're going to add a left turn lane on the co

699
00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:51,000
bson.

700
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,030
So we're going to add on 377 1830 before you get to ops and

701
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:58,570
a lot of traffic gets stuck in that little area. Right. So

702
00:39:58,570 --> 00:40:01,659
we're going to widen 1830 in that part and add a left turn

703
00:40:01,659 --> 00:40:04,860
lane so that if you're just trying to go south on 1830, you

704
00:40:04,860 --> 00:40:08,000
're not stuck as bad by the people turning left

705
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,360
and I think we're doing that on Ryan also aren't we writing

706
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,019
a right turn lane at Ryan and country club. And I think

707
00:40:15,019 --> 00:40:18,000
that's all I have questions.

708
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,119
All right. Well I got confused when I saw a card from a

709
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:27,000
former staff member and thought, well what she doing here.

710
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,010
But it's just a reminder that we're need to be done here by

711
00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:35,000
1115, we're going to finish that easily.

712
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,619
Mr. Chair, I did want to remind you that typically within a

713
00:40:39,619 --> 00:40:44,159
day after the presentation, this one system report is then

714
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:48,380
loaded onto our city didn't website so for those who are

715
00:40:48,380 --> 00:40:52,000
viewing this, they'll be able to see this.

716
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,000
We do that on a monthly basis. Thank you, Mr. Nelson.

717
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,280
So we are to item B, receiver report hold the discussion

718
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,760
and provide direction regarding the options for regulating

719
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:11,000
stationless bike share companies in Denton.

720
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,440
It looks like Julie Anderson, our bicycle and pedestrian

721
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,000
coordinator is going to take this.

722
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,929
That is correct. We did talk briefly last month mobility

723
00:41:21,929 --> 00:41:25,480
committee about stationless bike share. We were asked to

724
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,000
come back and provide options for regulating.

725
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,690
So for anybody who's watching at home or is not aware what

726
00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:32,519
stationless bike share is, this is third generation bike

727
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:34,000
share so it's app based.

728
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,880
There's no stations or docking stations that you have to

729
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,000
take your bike to.

730
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,559
It gives the user more freedom to drop off a bike to

731
00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:43,900
wherever their bike, wherever their trip ends or wherever

732
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:45,000
their trip begins.

733
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,150
They are operated by private companies, not by the city,

734
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:52,260
and there's no monetary exchange that the city has to go

735
00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:53,000
through with that.

736
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,329
They're private companies. So these are just some

737
00:41:55,329 --> 00:41:59,000
screenshots from the Vbikes app that they have on their,

738
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,329
use on your phone, talks about parking your bike, how to

739
00:42:02,329 --> 00:42:04,659
unlock it, how to return it, and then they have a customer

740
00:42:04,659 --> 00:42:05,000
service.

741
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,010
So that's how Vbikes has been, Vbikes is what's currently

742
00:42:09,010 --> 00:42:11,000
here in Denton right now.

743
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:16,929
They arrive in approximately, hang on. On the customer

744
00:42:16,929 --> 00:42:20,000
service, is that a 24 hour response?

745
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,150
I believe it is. This says that you can report issues

746
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:26,000
actually in the app itself.

747
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,510
I don't know if they have somebody checking it all 24 hours

748
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:32,000
, but you can report it through the app.

749
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,000
So do they not have an 800 number? They also have a number.

750
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,909
The number is however not on the bike. They do have a

751
00:42:37,909 --> 00:42:39,000
number though.

752
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,000
And an email. Okay.

753
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,360
So Vbikes is currently the only stationless bike share we

754
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,320
have in Denton right now. They came in June with about 60

755
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,000
bikes.

756
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,170
We've also had other stationless bike share reach out to

757
00:42:55,170 --> 00:42:59,429
the city to be here as well, so Spin and Line Bikes and Z

758
00:42:59,429 --> 00:43:00,000
axter.

759
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,659
We have had multiple complaints about bikes being left in

760
00:43:02,659 --> 00:43:05,000
the middle of the sidewalk or in random places.

761
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,329
And so we were asked to look at what the options were to

762
00:43:08,329 --> 00:43:12,000
regulate these in our city, either working through an

763
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,400
existing permit or existing ordinance or creating a new one

764
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,000
to better regulate.

765
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,510
So we did, met with legal. We have a few options, about

766
00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:23,340
four. Obviously we could just do nothing and keep both of

767
00:43:23,340 --> 00:43:25,000
them operating as they are now.

768
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,690
We could use an existing ordinance, which we provided in

769
00:43:27,690 --> 00:43:30,900
your backup, some ordinances in Chapter 16 of our code that

770
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:32,000
could pertain to this.

771
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,679
There were some questions about who would enforce it. It

772
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:37,309
doesn't really give the city any more control if we didn't

773
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:39,000
have any sort of permit system.

774
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,420
We could go ahead and use an existing ordinance and create

775
00:43:42,420 --> 00:43:45,969
a permit through that. But again, that ordinance isn't

776
00:43:45,969 --> 00:43:48,000
really specific to bike share.

777
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,030
So the fourth option, which was to create a new ordinance

778
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:53,909
that would regulate bike share and then have a permit

779
00:43:53,909 --> 00:43:57,000
system that addresses very specific bike share concerns.

780
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,159
And that was the recommendation from our legal department

781
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:05,000
and that staff is bringing to this body here today.

782
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,179
So some other cities that have already done this, because

783
00:44:09,179 --> 00:44:12,989
this is new, St. Louis Bike Share, it's new for other

784
00:44:12,989 --> 00:44:14,000
cities as well.

785
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,849
Seattle kind of is the forerunner. They started this at the

786
00:44:17,849 --> 00:44:21,449
end of June. San Francisco began their permit system in

787
00:44:21,449 --> 00:44:22,000
July.

788
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,369
And then Aurora, Colorado just started theirs at the

789
00:44:25,369 --> 00:44:27,000
beginning of October.

790
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,159
And I had a conference call with them yesterday to talk

791
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:31,570
about how their permit application is actually working and

792
00:44:31,570 --> 00:44:34,000
their system actually is going really well for them.

793
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,079
So we've reached out to them. We've reviewed what their

794
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:40,489
permits look like. We think we can create one as well if

795
00:44:40,489 --> 00:44:44,000
that was the direction this body wanted to go.

796
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,900
We like this option because a permit can cover very

797
00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:50,289
specific things for bike share. It can cover safety such as

798
00:44:50,289 --> 00:44:53,380
we don't provide a helmet, but we recommend you wear a

799
00:44:53,380 --> 00:44:54,000
helmet.

800
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,150
Parking, so this is just an excerpt from the Seattle

801
00:44:57,150 --> 00:45:00,969
parking permit application. They talk about where you're

802
00:45:00,969 --> 00:45:04,000
supposed to park your bike, where not to park your bike.

803
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,059
And it puts the impetus on the bike share operator to

804
00:45:08,059 --> 00:45:10,000
educate their users.

805
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,710
Right. Do we as a city have bike laws on the books as far

806
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:19,000
as I guess you just said we don't require a helmet?

807
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000
We don't have a helmet requirement law.

808
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,000
Do we have a lighting law?

809
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,980
There's a Texas state law that you're required to have a

810
00:45:25,980 --> 00:45:28,909
white light on the front of your back and a red light or

811
00:45:28,909 --> 00:45:31,000
reflector on the back of your bike.

812
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,360
And do the bikes that we have now, do they currently have

813
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,000
those?

814
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,000
The bike share bikes?

815
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Yeah.

816
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,000
I cannot, I don't know that officially, no.

817
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Right. And so that...

818
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,000
What?

819
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,000
That might be something that we can address.

820
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,469
Yeah. And we would address that right in safety. You know,

821
00:45:47,469 --> 00:45:50,119
as followed, the Texas transportation code about the need

822
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:51,000
to have lights.

823
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,000
Insurance requirements.

824
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,760
Yes, and we would require insurance. All of that would come

825
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,000
as part of that permit process.

826
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Okay. Thank you.

827
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,000
Great. Yeah, no problem.

828
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,280
So it can cover parking, operations, so the permit could

829
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,429
say you must have a staff here in Denton, you must be able

830
00:46:07,429 --> 00:46:11,659
to resolve all problems within 24 hours, you must have a

831
00:46:11,659 --> 00:46:14,000
phone number on your bike, all those things.

832
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,000
We can also ask them to data share with us.

833
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,210
Obviously we'd be anonymous, but it would say where are

834
00:46:18,210 --> 00:46:20,630
these people going, where are they dropping off their bikes

835
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:23,000
that can help us better plan our bike infrastructure.

836
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,420
And then it'd also talk about fees, what kind of fees we

837
00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:29,000
would apply to the bike share company.

838
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,219
As I said, our current ordinance doesn't cover any of these

839
00:46:33,219 --> 00:46:37,039
things specifically, and so it'd be really hard to actually

840
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:39,000
enforce it or try to do anything.

841
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,949
So creating the specific permit and ordinance that we could

842
00:46:43,949 --> 00:46:49,000
do just for bike share is our recommendation to this body.

843
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Comment.

844
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,289
I'm in complete favor of this, and I appreciate all this

845
00:46:54,289 --> 00:46:55,000
work.

846
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,530
And just for clarification, I think the V-Bikes, that was

847
00:46:58,530 --> 00:47:01,000
considered a pilot program, right?

848
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,789
When it came into, I mean that's how I heard it referred to

849
00:47:04,789 --> 00:47:07,000
originally as a kind of a pilot.

850
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,489
Pilot, like we didn't authorize them to come here, we just,

851
00:47:10,489 --> 00:47:13,380
we did meet with them and then I think the next week their

852
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:16,360
bikes showed up, but we hadn't said, sure, come on down

853
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,000
here.

854
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,739
Right, and we do have other companies reaching out to us as

855
00:47:19,739 --> 00:47:22,900
well wanting to do this, so right now is a really good time

856
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:23,000
.

857
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,579
It is, and we've asked other companies, I met with both of

858
00:47:25,579 --> 00:47:28,599
them, Line Bikes and Spin, we've asked them to please just

859
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:31,429
wait, we're kind of figuring this out so we can give you a

860
00:47:31,429 --> 00:47:34,250
better option instead of just throwing it together at the

861
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:35,000
last minute.

862
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,000
So they're aware of that and they're supportive of this.

863
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,929
Both of these, all these companies are in Seattle and in

864
00:47:40,929 --> 00:47:42,000
Aurora already.

865
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,000
And so with V-Bikes already being here, I'm sorry, can I?

866
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,000
Go ahead.

867
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,000
And we create this, they will have to comply, right?

868
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,690
Correct, I would reach out to them and make them aware of

869
00:47:52,690 --> 00:47:55,300
what it is they need to do to be compliant, to be able to

870
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:57,000
get a permit to be in our city.

871
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,000
Okay, thank you so much.

872
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,130
I think a couple of important things that we consider as we

873
00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:04,000
do this.

874
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,289
It's important to point out, as you did, that this is like

875
00:48:08,289 --> 00:48:11,000
the third generation of bike share.

876
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:16,010
And when we were looking at earlier generations and wanting

877
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:20,429
bike share in Denton, we wanted it specifically so that

878
00:48:20,429 --> 00:48:25,000
there would be bike share stations at the Transit Center,

879
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:31,039
downtown, at UNT and at TWU, so that we could deal with

880
00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:36,079
that last mile issue that a lot of our transit users have

881
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:40,000
about getting off the train and then what do they do.

882
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,309
And in the earlier generations, we were looking at the

883
00:48:45,309 --> 00:48:50,940
possibility of expending some significant dollars to help

884
00:48:50,940 --> 00:48:57,000
create the older kind of stations for leaving the bicycles.

885
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,480
The fact that this latest generation does not require any

886
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,659
upfront money from the city, but still addresses a need

887
00:49:05,659 --> 00:49:09,769
that we have identified and that the universities have

888
00:49:09,769 --> 00:49:13,000
identified is actually a good thing.

889
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,920
So I think that as we're crafting this, we want to craft it

890
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,900
in a way that addresses the concerns that are raised by our

891
00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:25,000
local residents, our local businesses.

892
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,119
That also points out that if you're going to be using our

893
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:36,639
streets for a program to generate income for yourself, that

894
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:41,000
you have to, that's not free.

895
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,610
The city is required by state law to get some type of remun

896
00:49:44,610 --> 00:49:46,000
eration for that.

897
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,610
But let's do it in a way that does not necessarily make it

898
00:49:50,610 --> 00:49:55,440
so difficult for a bike share program to operate that they

899
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,000
want to leave.

900
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:04,710
Now, maybe if the Yellow Bike program that we have here now

901
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:09,639
wants to leave, that may be okay because of the way that

902
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:13,000
they're dealing with leaving bikes everywhere.

903
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:18,000
Or maybe this will just get them to be more responsive.

904
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,369
I'm wondering if this particular company that's here in

905
00:50:21,369 --> 00:50:26,500
Denton, are they in other cities that have implemented more

906
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:28,000
regulations?

907
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:37,000
I believe they are in Aurora and in Seattle, yes.

908
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,840
Okay, and so you're going to be, as you craft the ordinance

909
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,530
, trying to address the concerns that have been raised by

910
00:50:44,530 --> 00:50:47,000
business owners and by citizens?

911
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,000
Correct, yeah.

912
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,449
We've already had some very preliminary discussions with

913
00:50:50,449 --> 00:50:53,039
myself and their legal department about if we could

914
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:55,699
restrict them in certain areas or require that they have to

915
00:50:55,699 --> 00:50:57,699
have them in areas we want them, such as by the train

916
00:50:57,699 --> 00:51:01,949
station or at the university, that can be a requirement in

917
00:51:01,949 --> 00:51:03,000
the permit.

918
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,030
And when do you anticipate coming back to us with something

919
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:08,000
specific?

920
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000
I believe we could probably come back next month.

921
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,940
I don't know how many, if we're meeting in December, but we

922
00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:17,000
could also do it in January.

923
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,469
Would you anticipate or consider inviting the VBike folks

924
00:51:22,469 --> 00:51:25,000
to attend that meeting?

925
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,300
Yeah, I let all of them know that we're having this meeting

926
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:29,440
here today and that they could live stream it if they

927
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:30,000
wanted to.

928
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,000
Well, there are throngs of folks here.

929
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,179
Right, they didn't, they're not here, but they might be

930
00:51:33,179 --> 00:51:34,000
watching online.

931
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,000
I told them all about it.

932
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,000
Yes.

933
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,789
Would it need to come back to this committee or could it

934
00:51:38,789 --> 00:51:40,000
just go to council?

935
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,000
Because with this committee approving this going forward,

936
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,510
then could it come to council to eliminate that one step,

937
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:49,000
to get something on the books?

938
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,949
Because I know there's other people wanting to come in and

939
00:51:51,949 --> 00:51:54,000
I don't want to restrict, you know.

940
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,000
It's at your pleasure.

941
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,329
I mean, typically the normal process would bring it back,

942
00:51:59,329 --> 00:52:02,650
make sure it would work session, work session to ensure

943
00:52:02,650 --> 00:52:06,340
that we're moving forward in the direction that you

944
00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:09,000
provided us and then before we would advance it.

945
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,619
My guess is it's not going to get on a council agenda

946
00:52:13,619 --> 00:52:17,000
before the end of the year anyway.

947
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,000
So if you had something and could bring it back to us.

948
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,000
Next month?

949
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,329
Next month or even probably at the start of January, we

950
00:52:24,329 --> 00:52:27,000
could queue it up for the council agenda.

951
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,820
But we could have a chance to do a little bit of the

952
00:52:29,820 --> 00:52:32,949
detailed work on it that might not get done at a council

953
00:52:32,949 --> 00:52:34,000
work session.

954
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,849
So that's fine with me, but in the meantime, what are some

955
00:52:37,849 --> 00:52:41,329
of the options that our citizens have when these bikes

956
00:52:41,329 --> 00:52:46,000
appear, like in trees or in ditches or inside of schools?

957
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,150
Right, so their best option is to contact the company

958
00:52:49,150 --> 00:52:50,000
directly.

959
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,619
They have people who are supposed to be here in the city or

960
00:52:53,619 --> 00:52:57,250
at least that work in the North Texas region to rebalance

961
00:52:57,250 --> 00:52:58,000
bikes.

962
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,900
So the best because they're a private company and we don't

963
00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:04,000
actually have anything signed with anybody at this point.

964
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,000
So the best point thing is to contact them directly.

965
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,000
They show up in trees?

966
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,000
Yes.

967
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,000
Wow.

968
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,000
Yeah, someone put one in a tree.

969
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:21,199
And that's just typical vandalism. Is there a way to get

970
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:22,000
their 800 number on our website under the bike program?

971
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,750
I mean, just if somebody is looking and that's where they

972
00:53:24,750 --> 00:53:27,000
because they first they think it's a city.

973
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,000
Oh, yeah, definitely.

974
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,000
You know, yeah, or just yeah.

975
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,960
Just so there is some some place if a citizen can because

976
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,000
you said they're not located on the bikes currently.

977
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,000
Yeah.

978
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,000
So people don't have the app or access on their phones.

979
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,000
Right. Yeah.

980
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,000
If you're not a user, then you don't have the app.

981
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,000
Right.

982
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,650
Just in the meantime, because I know, you know, it's might

983
00:53:49,650 --> 00:53:51,000
take to the end of the year.

984
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,000
So yeah, that would just be my request.

985
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,000
That's a good request.

986
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,000
Yeah.

987
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,000
Thank you.

988
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Thanks.

989
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,000
Anything else on this?

990
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,000
Thank you very much.

991
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,000
Thank you for that presentation.

992
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,000
Thank you.

993
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,639
Item C, receiver report, hold the discussion and regarding

994
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:13,119
plans for the 2017 18 bike fund and provide an update on

995
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:17,000
projects.

996
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,000
Don't worry.

997
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,000
It's me again.

998
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:27,000
I will try to keep this one brief as well.

999
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:34,000
OK, that's really tickled the way we're supposed to be.

1000
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,000
So it's the start of a new fiscal year.

1001
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,199
And so, as you know, the bike fund has it's not really the

1002
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:42,000
bike fund, but that's what I refer to it as.

1003
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,730
Two hundred thousand dollars is allocated each year from

1004
00:54:44,730 --> 00:54:47,000
the general fund to implement our bike plan.

1005
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,000
And so when we came to you last year at about this time,

1006
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,809
one of our goals for the projects of 2017 was to accomplish

1007
00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:56,000
all of the immediate projects that we could.

1008
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,329
So most of those were share of projects and we were able to

1009
00:54:59,329 --> 00:55:02,369
accomplish all of those share of projects that we had

1010
00:55:02,369 --> 00:55:04,000
planned to do this year.

1011
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,000
We got them all completed.

1012
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,000
They are the black lines on this map.

1013
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,000
Those were done.

1014
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,000
We do that.

1015
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,769
We do share with our in-house project, our in-house crews,

1016
00:55:12,769 --> 00:55:15,380
traffic ops, go ahead and they lay those down and they put

1017
00:55:15,380 --> 00:55:17,000
the signs on the road as well.

1018
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,000
So we were able to finish all of those this year.

1019
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,920
There were some other projects such as Ector Street that

1020
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,000
was done.

1021
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,000
It's not officially a bike lane.

1022
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:32,000
It's a shared bike parking lane.

1023
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,000
And that was able to get completed with our traffic ops.

1024
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,440
They had a new long line truck and they needed to practice

1025
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,000
using it.

1026
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,000
And so they used Ector as their street for practice.

1027
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,000
So that street we got striped free of charge.

1028
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,000
So that was nice.

1029
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,750
And then we have some other projects that have been

1030
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:49,000
slightly delayed.

1031
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,150
This is due to staffing and role changes in the engineering

1032
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:53,000
department.

1033
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,150
So there's no longer any in-house design, a bike

1034
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:59,000
infrastructure in our engineering department.

1035
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,800
So that will now be consulted out to an engineering firm

1036
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,000
that will design our bike projects for us.

1037
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,110
So on that particular point, will that put more pressure on

1038
00:56:10,110 --> 00:56:13,000
the funds allocated or less pressure?

1039
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,000
It will put a little bit more pressure.

1040
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,210
It will be a little bit more expensive to design those

1041
00:56:18,210 --> 00:56:21,000
projects because it will not be in-house.

1042
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,539
Now Noreen did charge her time to projects, but I do

1043
00:56:24,539 --> 00:56:28,000
believe the cost might be a little bit more.

1044
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,000
When was that decision made and by whom?

1045
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,000
That decision was made, I don't know, a couple months ago

1046
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,000
by our engineering staff.

1047
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,000
Todd can speak about that if you would like.

1048
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,000
Okay.

1049
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,530
So part of that was a recognition that we just don't have

1050
00:56:44,530 --> 00:56:46,000
the staff internally,

1051
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,579
a number of people to be able to address all the design

1052
00:56:48,579 --> 00:56:51,000
needs, and a consultant can get to it much faster.

1053
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,380
Now city staff will still act as a project manager to make

1054
00:56:54,380 --> 00:56:58,000
sure that the design goes forward quickly and efficiently.

1055
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,489
But it also allows us to take a whole group of these

1056
00:57:01,489 --> 00:57:04,000
bicycle projects, put them into one design package,

1057
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,949
and then we can let them out much faster to construction

1058
00:57:06,949 --> 00:57:09,000
than what we currently are doing.

1059
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,969
So will some of the other projects that had been designed

1060
00:57:13,969 --> 00:57:18,000
internally be facing the same situation?

1061
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,940
Yes, but that's a recognition that we just do not have the

1062
00:57:20,940 --> 00:57:24,000
capacity in-house to handle all of that work,

1063
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,329
plus this water and sewer work and everything else that was

1064
00:57:27,329 --> 00:57:29,000
trying to be done in-house.

1065
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,400
So we push a lot of this to a consultant with our oversight

1066
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,000
to make sure that it gets done quickly.

1067
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:41,000
And if it ends up being more expensive for the taxpayers,

1068
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,579
more expensive for meaning that we get less bang for our

1069
00:57:45,579 --> 00:57:51,289
buck out of the small amount of money that we're putting in

1070
00:57:51,289 --> 00:57:53,000
the bike fund,

1071
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:58,309
was there not consideration to just go ahead and expand the

1072
00:57:58,309 --> 00:58:02,000
engineering staff to handle the needs?

1073
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,460
That's definitely a consideration long term. We do not have

1074
00:58:05,460 --> 00:58:08,599
the available full-time employee positions to be able to

1075
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:10,000
handle that kind of expansion.

1076
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,820
We just don't, not with the amount of work that's left to

1077
00:58:12,820 --> 00:58:15,000
be done on the overall capital projects.

1078
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,000
Okay, go ahead.

1079
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:22,039
So what I think I hear you saying is there are a lot of

1080
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:26,000
projects right now that we could get out and have them

1081
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,000
covered under one,

1082
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,829
in one consultant under a design project instead of coming

1083
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:35,000
to our engineering department one at a time.

1084
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,000
Right.

1085
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:41,000
Right. And so it will speed the process up, but will it,

1086
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,630
how much will it reduce the funds to actually complete the

1087
00:58:43,630 --> 00:58:45,000
work, I think is the big question.

1088
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,139
I won't know that one until we complete our RFQ process. We

1089
00:58:48,139 --> 00:58:51,139
put an RFQ on the streets at the beginning of November for

1090
00:58:51,139 --> 00:58:55,000
general engineering design for a wide variety of things.

1091
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,059
We will have all some middles in by the end of November. It

1092
00:58:58,059 --> 00:59:00,300
's been December reviewing those and then January will be

1093
00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:03,000
coming back with contracts that come out of that.

1094
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,880
One of those contracts would be for bicycle sidewalks,

1095
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,000
things like that.

1096
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,190
Because a beautiful design doesn't really do anybody any

1097
00:59:10,190 --> 00:59:13,000
good if we don't have the money to implement it.

1098
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,409
So I would like to make sure that we're still going to have

1099
00:59:16,409 --> 00:59:18,000
enough to implement.

1100
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,739
And to help Todd out, you know, we are looking at, as he

1101
00:59:22,739 --> 00:59:26,659
said, bundling a lot of our projects that are being

1102
00:59:26,659 --> 00:59:29,320
designed into, again, having these contracts in place so

1103
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,000
that we can plan further ahead.

1104
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,150
Again, these onesies and twosies are killing our staff. And

1105
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:38,000
so we're just trying to bundle all these.

1106
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,179
If it comes to the point that it's -- and again, not

1107
00:59:41,179 --> 00:59:44,809
knowing until we get the proposals in, if it comes to the

1108
00:59:44,809 --> 00:59:48,269
point that the design dollars to design all the various

1109
00:59:48,269 --> 00:59:53,619
planned projects are chewing up the dollars to actually do

1110
00:59:53,619 --> 00:59:56,900
the work, then we'll come back to council with requests for

1111
00:59:56,900 --> 00:59:58,000
additional funds.

1112
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,000
So we'll work through the budget process, make sure that we

1113
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,840
're not losing our capacity to construct or paint or recon

1114
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,360
figure our streets so that we can make sure that we're

1115
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,000
making headway on it.

1116
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:17,809
Well, and I have no beef or concern. I'm not -- I'm sorry

1117
01:00:17,809 --> 01:00:20,000
that you're up there.

1118
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,769
I think that this is at the highest levels. I think that

1119
01:00:24,769 --> 01:00:29,909
council has been so intent, the majority of our council, on

1120
01:00:29,909 --> 01:00:34,670
reducing the tax rate and saying that we're not reducing

1121
01:00:34,670 --> 01:00:36,000
services.

1122
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,429
But I think this is a particular and specific example of

1123
01:00:39,429 --> 01:00:42,000
where it is going to reduce services.

1124
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,789
We're not going to be able to continue to provide the same

1125
01:00:45,789 --> 01:00:49,329
amount of money or get the same bang for our buck out of

1126
01:00:49,329 --> 01:00:52,960
our bike fund because we're holding the line on hiring

1127
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,000
additional engineers.

1128
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,150
We're going to have to outsource. And because we're outs

1129
01:00:58,150 --> 01:01:00,909
ourcing, it's going to cost a bit more money, which means

1130
01:01:00,909 --> 01:01:03,480
that we're actually not going to be able to provide the

1131
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,000
same level of service.

1132
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,699
Surprise, surprise. When cost for construction and

1133
01:01:09,699 --> 01:01:14,400
everything else goes up and we're trying to hold the line

1134
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:20,000
on our revenues, we're going to get less for that.

1135
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:24,969
It's just plain arithmetic. And I think that it's something

1136
01:01:24,969 --> 01:01:28,429
that we need to put in our folders as the next round of

1137
01:01:28,429 --> 01:01:32,480
budget discussions start because we can't pretend that we

1138
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,000
're getting the same level of service.

1139
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:39,900
For the same amount of dollars when services continue to

1140
01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:42,000
cost more and more.

1141
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,000
Well, yeah, I will say that I'm in favor of this.

1142
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,829
This is well for now, but I think I think it's a good thing

1143
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:52,739
that we're getting caught up. And I know that we're behind

1144
01:01:52,739 --> 01:01:56,000
on projects and this is a good way to move forward.

1145
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:00,079
And then eventually we can reevaluate, like you said. But

1146
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:04,429
yeah, I think going forward right now, this is good. And I

1147
01:02:04,429 --> 01:02:07,500
didn't mean to be negative or anything. I just wanted to

1148
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:08,000
make sure that.

1149
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,000
That's a good question.

1150
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,000
Well, I did mean to be negative, but not towards staff.

1151
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:17,440
Well, we definitely don't want to the intent is definitely

1152
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,659
not to do less. I mean, so, but, but we are having to take

1153
01:02:21,659 --> 01:02:25,389
that broader approach of how do we get so many things

1154
01:02:25,389 --> 01:02:30,710
designed and and doing it in a way that again, a bundling

1155
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:33,000
may help us with some economies of scale.

1156
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,880
Have some shovel ready projects available just from a speed

1157
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,510
of getting those firms because they do have the capacity

1158
01:02:40,510 --> 01:02:43,989
staffing wise to be able to knock those complete those

1159
01:02:43,989 --> 01:02:45,000
projects.

1160
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,610
And then we again, if it does come to a point that we need

1161
01:02:47,610 --> 01:02:50,199
additional funds, we will come back to counsel or the

1162
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:52,730
committee and in the council to make sure we get those

1163
01:02:52,730 --> 01:02:55,000
funds available for these projects.

1164
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,550
One of the things that does cost us is the longer it takes

1165
01:02:58,550 --> 01:03:01,940
to get a project out the projects themselves get more

1166
01:03:01,940 --> 01:03:05,000
expensive. So you definitely don't get what you intended.

1167
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,000
And this does allow us to cut down on the time frame.

1168
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,000
There's a cost center as well.

1169
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:15,440
I have a question because some of these projects qualify

1170
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,869
for grant funding right with sidewalks and but to qualify

1171
01:03:19,869 --> 01:03:24,329
for grant. Don't you have to have a design in place to turn

1172
01:03:24,329 --> 01:03:27,039
in. So this may help if we have a design already completed

1173
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:29,000
and the grant comes up and we see it.

1174
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,670
We're like, oh, okay, we can do that. We have this

1175
01:03:30,670 --> 01:03:34,030
information right here. So that it's definitely more

1176
01:03:34,030 --> 01:03:36,590
helpful if you already have a design. You don't always have

1177
01:03:36,590 --> 01:03:37,000
to have it.

1178
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,400
But if you do, it's definitely better. Right. I just

1179
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,360
remember when we were talking about oak, we kept coming

1180
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,170
back and you know, Noreen had to do this or do that. And I

1181
01:03:46,170 --> 01:03:48,000
know that was probably really time consuming.

1182
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:54,000
So I just keep thinking of that situation and how having a

1183
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,000
I guess a stack of designs already in place would be

1184
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,000
beneficial.

1185
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,000
Definitely.

1186
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,420
Well, in that regard, the stack of designs, how long is the

1187
01:04:03,420 --> 01:04:05,000
stack of designs good.

1188
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:09,719
It seems that after a while, we've had designs before that

1189
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:15,000
have been on shelves and by the time it's we can fund them.

1190
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,570
They're no longer adequate designs. What is there. What's

1191
01:04:19,570 --> 01:04:21,000
the shelf life.

1192
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,449
There's a lot of factors that go into that, as you can

1193
01:04:23,449 --> 01:04:26,329
imagine, but typically anything within about a six month

1194
01:04:26,329 --> 01:04:30,000
window. Most your consultant engineers will tell you.

1195
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,500
I don't really have to look at it. I probably need to

1196
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:35,429
resign it reseal it and then we're ready to go. Once you

1197
01:04:35,429 --> 01:04:38,150
get past six months, then it's an effort to say, was

1198
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:42,000
anything changed appreciably for bicycle lanes.

1199
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,550
You're really just kind of looking at it. Did did something

1200
01:04:44,550 --> 01:04:47,119
come in that changed the size of the road. Did something

1201
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:50,429
change. Usually get a better shelf life out of a project

1202
01:04:50,429 --> 01:04:51,000
like that.

1203
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,440
Now you do a project where we had to do something that had

1204
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,809
a lot of elevated sidewalks and we changed the actual

1205
01:04:57,809 --> 01:05:01,340
profile of the road up and down and anything beyond six

1206
01:05:01,340 --> 01:05:02,000
months.

1207
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,260
They're going to want to re verify that what we've got

1208
01:05:04,260 --> 01:05:05,000
still works.

1209
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:13,000
Okay, thank you. And we interrupted your presentation.

1210
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:17,000
Thank you, Mr. Estes.

1211
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:22,000
So one of those projects that will get bundled is Avenue A

1212
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,000
right here.

1213
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,340
Hercules, which is not on this map of Hercules of the

1214
01:05:26,340 --> 01:05:28,000
northern part of town.

1215
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,150
And then this part of Crescent, which has been delayed for

1216
01:05:31,150 --> 01:05:34,000
street work. And then we have to wait till school is out.

1217
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,639
And so that one should be getting done and sub coming

1218
01:05:37,639 --> 01:05:39,000
summer though.

1219
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,480
I don't see Malone or is it was it was it Malone or Fulton

1220
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,780
that was doing it was Fulton that was going to have the

1221
01:05:47,780 --> 01:05:50,000
road diet. Isn't that correct?

1222
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,829
Malone Malone Malone. Yeah, we just had a coordination

1223
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:56,909
meeting a couple of weeks ago when I asked if we should put

1224
01:05:56,909 --> 01:06:00,000
Malone on our list to do next year. And they said no.

1225
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,000
Pardon me. They said no. Who said no.

1226
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,079
The other departments and water wastewater and street they

1227
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:09,019
're still doing some work on Malone and they don't believe

1228
01:06:09,019 --> 01:06:10,000
it'll be done.

1229
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,329
Their portion of it for the street then to come in and get

1230
01:06:13,329 --> 01:06:16,559
restriped by next year. So it'll probably have to be on

1231
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:18,000
next fiscal year's plan.

1232
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,000
Okay. Did you have a question.

1233
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,920
It was kind of in the bundling and the project. So looking

1234
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,840
at the the bike fund projects. So some of the ones that say

1235
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,679
in design. Does that mean that they are the ones that are

1236
01:06:32,679 --> 01:06:36,070
going to be bundled and contracted out or does that mean

1237
01:06:36,070 --> 01:06:39,489
that the ones that are in design are going to currently

1238
01:06:39,489 --> 01:06:41,000
stay in our.

1239
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:45,179
Nothing's staying right now. We had one that was on the c

1240
01:06:45,179 --> 01:06:49,429
usp and that was mockingbird and that's going out to be

1241
01:06:49,429 --> 01:06:51,510
consulted already. We've actually already done that one.

1242
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:52,000
Okay. Sent out that design.

1243
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:56,800
So yeah, the ones that say in design Hercules Avenue A and

1244
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,429
then the DCTA and anything else that will be done on Oak

1245
01:07:00,429 --> 01:07:03,000
and Hickory. Those will all be designed outside.

1246
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,000
What about the ones that are on hold.

1247
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,980
Pennsylvania and sick more sick more is that that's going

1248
01:07:10,980 --> 01:07:13,000
to be done. Yes.

1249
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,000
We had that discussion with the new the new lighting and

1250
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,000
yes sick more was a project that was discussed.

1251
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,000
Right after the bike plan was adopted.

1252
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,329
But from the stories I've been told there was never like a

1253
01:07:26,329 --> 01:07:28,909
firm agreement on what they were going to do and they had

1254
01:07:28,909 --> 01:07:32,000
to talk with DCTA. So decided just to shelve that project.

1255
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,599
But now we're doing a side path on sick more as part of the

1256
01:07:36,599 --> 01:07:40,000
transportation alternative set aside.

1257
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,960
But we wanted to make sure that was on the list because

1258
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,909
money was expended at one point on that project and

1259
01:07:45,909 --> 01:07:48,000
Pennsylvania is still on holds.

1260
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,789
I don't know when that will move forward. So are there can

1261
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:54,199
I just follow up with are there any of these that have been

1262
01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:58,920
completed but not implemented that will go back out to be

1263
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,000
redesigned.

1264
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,840
Is that a situation or no if they're completed that means

1265
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,900
they're done if they're completed that means they're done

1266
01:08:05,900 --> 01:08:07,000
with on the ground.

1267
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:11,940
Okay. Thank you. I'm getting a little bit anxious about

1268
01:08:11,940 --> 01:08:15,429
time because of but I think we have to dig into a little

1269
01:08:15,429 --> 01:08:16,000
bit of detail.

1270
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:20,000
I was surprised to see that Pennsylvania was on hold.

1271
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,960
I thought that that was actually funded mostly with money

1272
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:24,000
from the county.

1273
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:24,000
Correct.

1274
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:30,460
And that when the neighborhood reacted as they did that we

1275
01:08:30,460 --> 01:08:36,710
went to plan B which was we transferred that money to Winds

1276
01:08:36,710 --> 01:08:41,710
or still in the commissioners district and the county

1277
01:08:41,710 --> 01:08:43,000
commissioners district.

1278
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,329
But but so I'm surprised to see that that's on hold. I

1279
01:08:46,329 --> 01:08:50,000
thought that was probably dropped.

1280
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,909
Yeah on hold is probably the wrong terminology here it

1281
01:08:53,909 --> 01:08:58,430
should just be finished or not finished but shelved and I

1282
01:08:58,430 --> 01:09:03,319
am I don't know what what we're talking about designing for

1283
01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:06,000
the DCTA hike and bike trail.

1284
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,000
What's that.

1285
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,899
Yes. So there are two intersections of the a train trail

1286
01:09:10,899 --> 01:09:14,720
where crosses the road so there's one at Brinker and then

1287
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:18,659
there's also that crossing at Colorado Woodrow Colorado

1288
01:09:18,659 --> 01:09:23,380
that right there we have to go over to the light and we're

1289
01:09:23,380 --> 01:09:27,539
trying to design those to be enhanced intersections instead

1290
01:09:27,539 --> 01:09:29,000
of kind of the work around it is now.

1291
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:35,279
And of course, when that was actually real originally

1292
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:41,000
designed that the Colorado Woodrow situation.

1293
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,000
There was a curb cut in the median.

1294
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,789
Pay attention folks, there was a curb cut in the median

1295
01:09:47,789 --> 01:09:50,000
right next to the train track.

1296
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,760
It had been designed by the DCTA engineers, it had been

1297
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:54,000
accepted by the city.

1298
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,000
It was built.

1299
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:02,489
Then, the city engineering department came back and said no

1300
01:10:02,489 --> 01:10:07,869
, we don't like mid block crossings. We want to go down to

1301
01:10:07,869 --> 01:10:10,000
the corner.

1302
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,909
The problem is is that most of the trail users don't go to

1303
01:10:13,909 --> 01:10:15,000
the corner.

1304
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,000
They continue to cross.

1305
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:23,000
They get stuck from time to time.

1306
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:30,229
In that very very narrow section of trying to get back onto

1307
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:33,899
the trail in the, in the, the curb cut to get back up onto

1308
01:10:33,899 --> 01:10:35,000
the sidewalk.

1309
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,619
So they're going right next to the train track, they're

1310
01:10:37,619 --> 01:10:40,359
going in the train track they're going in between the train

1311
01:10:40,359 --> 01:10:41,000
tracks.

1312
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,590
When the crossing arms come down, they're caught inside the

1313
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:47,000
crossing arms.

1314
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,430
And that was all because our city engineer said we want to

1315
01:10:50,430 --> 01:10:52,000
go down to the corner.

1316
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,329
But any person could stand there at the corner and stand

1317
01:10:55,329 --> 01:10:59,310
there at that intersection and watch as bicyclists and

1318
01:10:59,310 --> 01:11:01,000
pedestrians use it.

1319
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,000
And you'll see that hardly anyone uses the corner.

1320
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:11,420
Certainly because it's not possible to ride your bicycle

1321
01:11:11,420 --> 01:11:17,289
and do that 90 degree turn there at the corner in a

1322
01:11:17,289 --> 01:11:22,000
sidewalk that's only three feet wide.

1323
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,000
It's a bad plan.

1324
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:30,119
It's a plan that, that and, and mid block crossings are

1325
01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:34,000
used all over the world successfully.

1326
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,890
But, but we caused DCTA, we the city caused DCTA to spend

1327
01:11:38,890 --> 01:11:46,000
extra money to undo that median to put the median back up.

1328
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:50,670
And we've put users of the trail in greater jeopardy

1329
01:11:50,670 --> 01:11:56,000
because that's not the way that they're going to use it.

1330
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,979
So I'm going to be, I'm going to be very concerned about

1331
01:11:59,979 --> 01:12:03,000
spending a lot of money for a bad plan.

1332
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:07,000
A plan that people will not use.

1333
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,470
And Mr. Estes, I'll be glad to drive you and anybody and

1334
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:12,000
your staff out there.

1335
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,000
I know you're new to this.

1336
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,579
Now it's probably to the point that you can't see the

1337
01:12:16,579 --> 01:12:19,470
difference in the color of the concrete where the curb cut

1338
01:12:19,470 --> 01:12:22,000
was done and put back in.

1339
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:26,270
But, but I want to, I don't want to spend a great deal of

1340
01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:30,760
money on the design for something that that's not going to

1341
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,500
be used by the pedestrians and the bicyclists that use that

1342
01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:35,000
trail.

1343
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,619
Right. And we've been asked to expedite those two trail

1344
01:12:38,619 --> 01:12:40,000
projects in advance.

1345
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,000
I'm sorry, I'm not getting sick.

1346
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,000
Well, join the rest of us.

1347
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,000
I'm definitely not getting sick. I don't know what that.

1348
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,329
Looking to advance those two projects in advance of the

1349
01:12:49,329 --> 01:12:52,000
gain, the consultant on board in January.

1350
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,789
So I've been working with the engineering group about

1351
01:12:55,789 --> 01:12:59,649
getting something out to get those designed by a very bike

1352
01:12:59,649 --> 01:13:01,000
friendly firm.

1353
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:06,140
So we hope to have some good designs for those two cross

1354
01:13:06,140 --> 01:13:07,000
ings.

1355
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,000
Okay.

1356
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,859
So now I'm just going to briefly go over just the budget

1357
01:13:11,859 --> 01:13:15,880
like to show you our budget that we have every year for the

1358
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,000
bike fund.

1359
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,600
You can see that a lot of our funds this year are going to

1360
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:24,000
go towards our matching funds for the set aside.

1361
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,289
So that's one hundred and ninety thousand dollars that we

1362
01:13:26,289 --> 01:13:28,000
'll have to pay as our 20 percent.

1363
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,079
That does take a big chunk of our money to do other

1364
01:13:31,079 --> 01:13:32,000
projects.

1365
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,130
But we are getting a really good project for 20 percent of

1366
01:13:36,130 --> 01:13:37,000
the cost.

1367
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,340
We also have to put aside money for that US 380 side path

1368
01:13:40,340 --> 01:13:43,430
that work where we coordinated with tech stock to get for

1369
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:46,000
that trail from May Hill to the Green Belt.

1370
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,439
And we're doing about thirty thousand each year for that as

1371
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:50,000
well.

1372
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,000
That leaves us about thirty nine thousand.

1373
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,000
I'm sorry, not three nine.

1374
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,000
Thirty thousand dollars for 2018.

1375
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,359
So with that, we do hope to be able to do something on Wind

1376
01:13:59,359 --> 01:14:00,000
River.

1377
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:04,000
You know, it's very wide, has a very wide turn lane.

1378
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,000
What do you believe we can put some bike lanes in there?

1379
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,369
And then if other money shakes out elsewhere, we can look

1380
01:14:10,369 --> 01:14:12,000
at some other projects.

1381
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,000
What part of Wind River are we talking about?

1382
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,880
Yes, Wind River from Teasley to not quite the interstate

1383
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,000
where the movie theater is.

1384
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:24,000
Oh, Wind River where we used to have bike lanes.

1385
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,000
Is that what used to be there?

1386
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,000
Oh, yeah, we used to have it.

1387
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,000
Wind River used to be.

1388
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,000
I feel like I'm having a cathartic moment here.

1389
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:37,239
Wind River used to have bike lanes and it was one lane in

1390
01:14:37,239 --> 01:14:39,000
each direction.

1391
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:44,119
And then the bike lanes went away and we put two lanes in

1392
01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:45,000
each direction

1393
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,000
and pretended like there had never been bike lanes there.

1394
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,449
And there was denial that there had ever been bike lanes

1395
01:14:50,449 --> 01:14:51,000
there.

1396
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,000
So we're going back to bike lanes.

1397
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,000
I didn't know there used to be bike lanes there.

1398
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,000
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

1399
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,000
Noreen thought this was a really great idea.

1400
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,000
I thought this is a great idea.

1401
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:02,000
It's a very wide street.

1402
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,000
There's room for it.

1403
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,000
Yeah.

1404
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:09,000
I did not know that there used to be bike lanes.

1405
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:15,000
Go ahead.

1406
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:21,000
And here's just a map of projects.

1407
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:27,000
Sorry, this mouse doesn't scroll.

1408
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:34,000
So you can see -- let me zoom out.

1409
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,000
We have what's been completed in green.

1410
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,170
Projects that we're still working on in the dashed blue are

1411
01:15:40,170 --> 01:15:41,000
big CIP projects

1412
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,000
that do have bike accommodations.

1413
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:48,000
Hinkle, Bonnie Bray, and Mayhill are in red.

1414
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:53,899
And then we have Wind River right down here, which is what

1415
01:15:53,899 --> 01:15:57,000
we plan to do in 2018.

1416
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:03,159
Does anybody have any questions for our plan for 1718 bike

1417
01:16:03,159 --> 01:16:04,000
fund?

1418
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,000
I don't think so. Thanks very much.

1419
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,000
Great. Thank you, Del.

1420
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:07,000
Appreciate it.

1421
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,000
Councilmember Gregory, thank you.

1422
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,000
We're to item D, receive a report, hold a discussion,

1423
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,880
and provide direction regarding Denton County Transit

1424
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,000
Authority fare schedules.

1425
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,000
Mr. Nelson, is this you?

1426
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:21,000
That's correct.

1427
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:27,210
So pursuant to Council's request, we had reached out and

1428
01:16:27,210 --> 01:16:29,000
visited with DCTA,

1429
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:33,000
as stated in the backup, requesting some information

1430
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:38,000
regarding their reduced fare schedule.

1431
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,569
I believe the question or an interest was, is there a way

1432
01:16:42,569 --> 01:16:45,000
to provide a reduced fare

1433
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:50,000
for low-income individuals in our community?

1434
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,329
So what you have in the backup material demonstrates that

1435
01:16:53,329 --> 01:16:56,000
they've got their local standard fare

1436
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:03,829
for a two-hour, for $3, and then a day past their standard

1437
01:17:03,829 --> 01:17:05,000
fares at $6,

1438
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:09,619
and then for their reduced fare, which is for seniors over

1439
01:17:09,619 --> 01:17:11,000
the age of 65,

1440
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:17,399
and for students basically between the ages of 5 and 18, is

1441
01:17:17,399 --> 01:17:20,000
$1.25.

1442
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,149
And then that local day pass reduced fare is going to be $2

1443
01:17:23,149 --> 01:17:24,000
.50.

1444
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,590
So in visiting with DCTA management, one of the things we

1445
01:17:28,590 --> 01:17:31,000
had talked about is how,

1446
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:35,000
is there a way to maybe expand that?

1447
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:36,000
How would you do that?

1448
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,479
The concern they would have would be how to demonstrate and

1449
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,000
what is low income?

1450
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:46,000
How would you facilitate that particular program?

1451
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:50,220
What they had indicated is that, you know, they're open to

1452
01:17:50,220 --> 01:17:54,000
working with various social service organizations

1453
01:17:54,000 --> 01:18:02,659
in their member cities whereby a fare book or passes could

1454
01:18:02,659 --> 01:18:05,000
be purchased and then distributed,

1455
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:08,500
you know, purchased at a reduced rate and then distributed

1456
01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:10,000
by those particular agencies

1457
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:15,920
that may be better equipped to identify or verify income

1458
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,000
levels.

1459
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:21,680
Well, I brought this up because the reduced fare is for the

1460
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,000
students or for the elderly,

1461
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:28,989
and there's a large section of working citizens who have

1462
01:18:28,989 --> 01:18:31,000
trouble getting to their job,

1463
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:32,000
to and from their job.

1464
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,000
Transportation is an issue.

1465
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:41,390
And during the homeless, during the PIT count, I was

1466
01:18:41,390 --> 01:18:44,000
talking to someone who was homeless

1467
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:52,430
and transportation was a big issue and I went to buy a bus

1468
01:18:52,430 --> 01:18:53,000
pass.

1469
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:57,000
And I was surprised at how much it cost.

1470
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:02,529
I was like, I think it was $25 or $30 or something, and I

1471
01:19:02,529 --> 01:19:06,000
think for the month, for the month, right?

1472
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:10,000
Because you don't, I mean, you can get to work day by day,

1473
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:15,300
but the best thing to do is to get monthly so you know that

1474
01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:17,000
you have a way to work every day,

1475
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:21,949
that you wake up, you're not stressed out about having that

1476
01:19:21,949 --> 01:19:24,000
cash on a daily basis.

1477
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:29,000
And so anyway, it triggered something in me and I thought,

1478
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:30,000
you know, there's something that we can be doing,

1479
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:35,000
maybe partnering or purchasing a group of monthly passes

1480
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,000
and giving them out to the nonprofits

1481
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:42,000
to pass out might be an okay solution.

1482
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:47,350
But so that's just kind of where I was coming from in the

1483
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:52,000
situation that made me realize how difficult it is

1484
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:56,000
on a day-to-day basis to get to work for some people.

1485
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,619
And if there was something we could do and if we were doing

1486
01:19:59,619 --> 01:20:01,000
anything currently,

1487
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:08,939
so I appreciate the information in the backup and what they

1488
01:20:08,939 --> 01:20:12,000
're doing for the students, of course.

1489
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:17,000
But I just I wish that we could do more.

1490
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:21,279
So there's an opportunity for DCTA to come forward and

1491
01:20:21,279 --> 01:20:24,000
present to the Mobility Committee.

1492
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,909
It's probably about time for them to come back and do one

1493
01:20:27,909 --> 01:20:31,000
of their typically do a quarterly meeting.

1494
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,000
And I think we're probably on schedule for that.

1495
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,460
We could ask them to come forward and visit with us on the

1496
01:20:37,460 --> 01:20:40,000
remainder of their operations

1497
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,560
and have this as a particular item as well that could

1498
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,000
provide some additional information for the committee

1499
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,649
and council as a whole, if that's something that you would

1500
01:20:50,649 --> 01:20:52,000
like to have them.

1501
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:56,000
Yeah, I think that would be good.

1502
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,000
And some additional clarification.

1503
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:03,109
When you say we as an organization, the City of Denton, to

1504
01:21:03,109 --> 01:21:05,000
purchase those particular passes,

1505
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,789
is that something that you would like us to look into in

1506
01:21:08,789 --> 01:21:11,000
terms of what that would cost?

1507
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,609
Right. Well, I mean, we have a community development part

1508
01:21:14,609 --> 01:21:20,000
of our city that works with low income as well.

1509
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,000
And I didn't know if there was a way.

1510
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,760
I mean, that, of course, is beyond what the Mobility

1511
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:26,000
Committee could do.

1512
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:30,000
But that may be something that they can they can take up.

1513
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,930
Right. And I visited briefly with Barbara on this

1514
01:21:32,930 --> 01:21:34,000
particular issue.

1515
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,880
And so we can we can engage her further in the discussion

1516
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,000
and potential solutions.

1517
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,260
Yeah. So I mean, it reaches across many different

1518
01:21:42,260 --> 01:21:43,000
committees.

1519
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:48,000
You know, so however, the best way to address that.

1520
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,000
Thank you.

1521
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:57,399
Then we'll go to item E, receive a report, hold the

1522
01:21:57,399 --> 01:21:59,000
discussion and provide direction

1523
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,479
regarding regional transportation council monthly reports

1524
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:02,000
and actions.

1525
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:07,140
This is a spot on our agenda where our representative to

1526
01:22:07,140 --> 01:22:10,000
the regional transportation council,

1527
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,000
Mayor Pro Tempi-Kerry, would have a spot to make a report.

1528
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,000
But she's not here today.

1529
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:19,000
But we have staff members that have attended that meeting.

1530
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,550
So if you have a couple of quick updates that you can share

1531
01:22:21,550 --> 01:22:22,000
with us.

1532
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,000
I do, Mr. Chair. Two very brief updates.

1533
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:29,789
Mr. Polster is handing out a an excerpt from one of the

1534
01:22:29,789 --> 01:22:31,000
agenda items.

1535
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:38,000
It's agenda item five on the November 9th RTC meeting.

1536
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:42,890
And essentially, it was a it was a transit grant funding

1537
01:22:42,890 --> 01:22:44,000
cleanup.

1538
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,579
And what you can see here is as part of that particular

1539
01:22:46,579 --> 01:22:52,000
action taken by the RTC on Thursday,

1540
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,550
that they they move forward with providing some funding

1541
01:22:55,550 --> 01:23:00,000
close to about $2 million that would in part assist with a

1542
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,640
a connectivity between the city of Denton and Fort Worth

1543
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,000
along the 35 West corridor.

1544
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:09,600
So I do want to bring that to your attention as one item

1545
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:13,000
that that directly impacted our community and citizens.

1546
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:17,310
The other item we referenced in the on system presentation

1547
01:23:17,310 --> 01:23:22,000
earlier this this morning regarding the loop 288.

1548
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:26,479
And it's kind of a planning cycle in terms of when we would

1549
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,000
have a the project cleared.

1550
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:33,000
And they are moving forward with mobility 2045.

1551
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:38,899
So once mobility 2045 is approved and the schedule for that

1552
01:23:38,899 --> 01:23:41,000
, they're starting to work that through the process now.

1553
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:45,989
And it looks like in the April May timeframe, they'll have

1554
01:23:45,989 --> 01:23:50,000
that in front of the RTC for for formal consideration.

1555
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,000
So just want to bring that to your attention.

1556
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,619
And certainly, those agenda items or the agendas on can be

1557
01:23:56,619 --> 01:23:58,000
found online.

1558
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:02,539
Council member post those and they hope and they have a

1559
01:24:02,539 --> 01:24:07,000
whole library of past agendas and the presentations

1560
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:08,000
associated with them.

1561
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:11,000
If you're interested in looking at that more detail.

1562
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,000
Thanks. Any questions?

1563
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,000
All right. Item F.

1564
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,369
Receive a report, hold discussion and provide staff

1565
01:24:17,369 --> 01:24:20,899
direction on an increase in project scope of the Hickory

1566
01:24:20,899 --> 01:24:24,000
Street roadway improvement project by adding pedestrian

1567
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:28,380
lights along the north side of West Hickory Street from Wel

1568
01:24:28,380 --> 01:24:34,000
ch Street to Carroll Boulevard.

1569
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,000
Mr. Estes.

1570
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,250
I gotta say I was really hoping to get in the first word

1571
01:24:39,250 --> 01:24:40,000
before John.

1572
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,000
I was excited to see that on the agenda.

1573
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:48,000
I got foiled again.

1574
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,000
Okay.

1575
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,000
So Hickory Street pedestrian lighting.

1576
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,159
You do have a copy in your backup information of the

1577
01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:57,000
presentation.

1578
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:01,039
In the interest of time, I'll be as short as possible, but

1579
01:25:01,039 --> 01:25:05,090
I want to give you as much information as you're willing to

1580
01:25:05,090 --> 01:25:07,000
receive at this point.

1581
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:10,159
So, currently, the Hickory Street project goes from Bonnie

1582
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:12,000
Bray all the way over to Carroll.

1583
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,350
It's about a $4.2 million project primarily done by city

1584
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:16,000
forces.

1585
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,500
They are clearing out the atmosphere locations and utility

1586
01:25:19,500 --> 01:25:22,810
work will follow right behind it with roadway work and to

1587
01:25:22,810 --> 01:25:25,000
start the beginning of next year.

1588
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,640
They're intending to start near Bonnie Bray and then work

1589
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,000
back to the east towards Carroll.

1590
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,159
So if we are going to look expanding some of the scope of

1591
01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:37,569
the project to include a piece from Welch to Carroll that's

1592
01:25:37,569 --> 01:25:42,630
on the extreme east end, we do have some time to figure out

1593
01:25:42,630 --> 01:25:47,000
how we're going to do that.

1594
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,500
So recently there has been a series of public meetings

1595
01:25:50,500 --> 01:25:54,079
where stakeholders get some updates on what's current

1596
01:25:54,079 --> 01:25:57,369
progress, how are things going on the project, what's the

1597
01:25:57,369 --> 01:26:01,000
current anticipated changes in schedules, if there are any.

1598
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,310
And some of the things that have come up through that has

1599
01:26:03,310 --> 01:26:06,000
been a request for pedestrian lighting on Hickory Street,

1600
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:11,000
recognizing that when we did Oak Street not too long ago,

1601
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,000
there's pedestrian lighting on both sides.

1602
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,000
It's a very well finished street.

1603
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,430
Hickory needs the update, which is why we're out doing the

1604
01:26:18,430 --> 01:26:19,000
work.

1605
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,329
But the question came up as to Hickory seems to be about

1606
01:26:22,329 --> 01:26:24,000
four or five feet wider.

1607
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,659
Why couldn't we narrow that up and put in pedestrians

1608
01:26:26,659 --> 01:26:29,329
lighting on the north side of the road where there's

1609
01:26:29,329 --> 01:26:32,430
currently only pedestrian lighting on the south side of the

1610
01:26:32,430 --> 01:26:33,000
road.

1611
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,000
So,

1612
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,899
and if you notice the nice little white Kia there, if you

1613
01:26:39,899 --> 01:26:44,090
see that one floating around town, that would be me taking

1614
01:26:44,090 --> 01:26:47,140
pictures. But the top picture here, that is Oak Street as

1615
01:26:47,140 --> 01:26:48,000
it is today.

1616
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,430
You'll see off in the distance there's a pedestrian street

1617
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:54,810
light on the north side. There's also one on the south side

1618
01:26:54,810 --> 01:26:59,270
. The roadway between curbs right now, as we measure them,

1619
01:26:59,270 --> 01:27:01,000
is about 33 feet wide.

1620
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,939
So you have two 11 foot lanes, you have bicycle lane on one

1621
01:27:04,939 --> 01:27:08,649
side, and then you have on street parking on the south side

1622
01:27:08,649 --> 01:27:09,000
.

1623
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:12,180
On the bottom, this is what Hickory looks like if you're

1624
01:27:12,180 --> 01:27:15,279
facing Carroll from about Welch Street looking towards

1625
01:27:15,279 --> 01:27:16,000
Carroll.

1626
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,569
You have pedestrian lighting on the right hand side. That's

1627
01:27:19,569 --> 01:27:21,000
the south side.

1628
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,329
So there is pedestrian lighting that's spaced about every

1629
01:27:24,329 --> 01:27:26,000
150, 200 feet.

1630
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,500
But on the north side, the other side where the parking is,

1631
01:27:29,500 --> 01:27:32,680
you don't have a sidewalk with pedestrian lighting tied to

1632
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:36,079
it. You have an existing sidewalk over there, but the road

1633
01:27:36,079 --> 01:27:39,000
is actually maxed out between the right away lines.

1634
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,159
So in other words, right on the edge of the sidewalk is the

1635
01:27:42,159 --> 01:27:43,000
right away.

1636
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,329
That's actually looking east, isn't it? Yes, sir. One's

1637
01:27:46,329 --> 01:27:49,560
looking west, one's looking east. Yeah, the caption says

1638
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:51,000
west on the bottom.

1639
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,079
You have a good eye, sorry about that. I caught all the

1640
01:27:54,079 --> 01:27:57,000
other things in here, I promise, but that one item.

1641
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,300
It confused me when I saw it, I thought, well, that doesn't

1642
01:27:59,300 --> 01:28:02,000
seem to work. It's looking the other west.

1643
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:11,000
Okay, how do you ask? I took the first direction I saw.

1644
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:16,119
So looking east, not west, you have, what you have today is

1645
01:28:16,119 --> 01:28:19,000
you have wider lanes than what we actually have to have.

1646
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,989
And with it coming off the university, there is an

1647
01:28:20,989 --> 01:28:23,000
opportunity that we could narrow the roadway.

1648
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,649
It's 38 feet on Hickory from the back of curb on one side

1649
01:28:26,649 --> 01:28:28,000
to the other side.

1650
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,149
So we could narrow the road five feet, put in a sidewalk

1651
01:28:31,149 --> 01:28:34,510
behind that on the north side, which would bring the

1652
01:28:34,510 --> 01:28:37,000
sidewalk closer to the roadway.

1653
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,470
It's right on the roadway right now, but we just bring it

1654
01:28:39,470 --> 01:28:42,000
in and gives us room to put the pedestrian lights in.

1655
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,939
But it would also have the added benefit if we narrowed the

1656
01:28:44,939 --> 01:28:48,020
lanes of traffic down to 11 foot wide, which is more of a

1657
01:28:48,020 --> 01:28:50,000
traffic calming feature anyway.

1658
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,930
So it would preclude some of the higher speeds that

1659
01:28:52,930 --> 01:28:56,149
potentially would run through there coming in and across a

1660
01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:58,000
more pedestrian facility.

1661
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:03,000
Go ahead. And how big would the bike lane be?

1662
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,199
Bike lane, I believe we had in there at five, maybe five or

1663
01:29:06,199 --> 01:29:08,000
six feet, five foot, yeah.

1664
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:12,180
So it would stay? It would stay. Yes, ma'am. It wouldn't go

1665
01:29:12,180 --> 01:29:13,000
away. That would leave everything on the south side.

1666
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,909
Or it wouldn't shriek? No, no it wouldn't. I would not want

1667
01:29:15,909 --> 01:29:18,000
to go less than five feet anyway.

1668
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:22,000
Some cities say three foot, but that is way too narrow.

1669
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:26,000
Thank you.

1670
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,329
So what we would need to do, we've talked about briefly, we

1671
01:29:28,329 --> 01:29:31,000
'd narrow the streets down to or the lanes down to 11 foot.

1672
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,739
So you still have two lanes. We'd still have the bicycle

1673
01:29:33,739 --> 01:29:36,000
lane. We'd put in a sidewalk, bring that across.

1674
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,449
Some of the things we would have to do to make this work

1675
01:29:38,449 --> 01:29:41,350
though is you have some properties that are higher on the

1676
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:44,430
north side and they have existing retaining walls along the

1677
01:29:44,430 --> 01:29:45,000
sidewalk.

1678
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,890
So we would have to survey all this. We would have to make

1679
01:29:47,890 --> 01:29:49,000
sure that we understand.

1680
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,039
Are there any other underground utilities out here that we

1681
01:29:51,039 --> 01:29:52,000
'd have to get out of the way?

1682
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,079
So there's a bunch of things that we would have to do just

1683
01:29:55,079 --> 01:29:58,279
because we'd be moving everything over a little bit before

1684
01:29:58,279 --> 01:30:00,000
we go put streetlights in.

1685
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,000
So I walked that this morning. Yes sir. Because I was

1686
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:06,000
curious.

1687
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:13,000
And it would seem I was surprised about having to consider

1688
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:18,920
moving utilities because we're going to be doing from curb

1689
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:22,000
to curb anyway, right?

1690
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:27,359
So if we're just if we're just taking the north curb and

1691
01:30:27,359 --> 01:30:33,069
moving it towards the center of the street by three or four

1692
01:30:33,069 --> 01:30:34,000
feet.

1693
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,250
Yes sir. Why would that cost any more for utility reloc

1694
01:30:38,250 --> 01:30:41,000
ation to make that sidewalk wider?

1695
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,079
I'm not saying it would necessarily cost us any more for

1696
01:30:43,079 --> 01:30:45,000
utility relocation, but it would take time to figure out.

1697
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:49,890
For instance, are there cable lines? Are there power lines

1698
01:30:49,890 --> 01:30:52,960
that we're not seeing? Is there a gas line, service line,

1699
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,369
water line that runs from say the middle of the street to

1700
01:30:55,369 --> 01:30:56,000
the house?

1701
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,550
We want to know where those are before we start digging the

1702
01:30:58,550 --> 01:31:01,289
road. Sometimes those facilities are shallower than you

1703
01:31:01,289 --> 01:31:04,000
would think, especially on an older road.

1704
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,199
And it's cheaper for us to identify it up front rather than

1705
01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:10,060
hit it when we're in the field and then try to figure a

1706
01:31:10,060 --> 01:31:12,000
workaround out in the field.

1707
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:16,890
But would we not be doing that anyway as we're resurfacing

1708
01:31:16,890 --> 01:31:18,000
the road?

1709
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:21,409
Not necessarily. Really? It depends on what we're doing to

1710
01:31:21,409 --> 01:31:23,000
the road. This was strictly more of it.

1711
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,640
We're doing some utility relocations, but because we'll be

1712
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:29,600
pulling the curb in closer, we'd want to verify that what's

1713
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,359
under the sidewalk is not something else we also have to

1714
01:31:32,359 --> 01:31:33,000
get into.

1715
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:36,359
The roadway's pretty well been explored. That's not what we

1716
01:31:36,359 --> 01:31:39,510
're worried about. But when I start bringing an existing

1717
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:42,689
sidewalk over five foot, I want to know what's in that area

1718
01:31:42,689 --> 01:31:43,000
.

1719
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,380
I've got some water meters. I've got some other things that

1720
01:31:45,380 --> 01:31:47,600
probably wouldn't have been considered because we were

1721
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:53,000
staying in between the curbs. Does that make sense?

1722
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:58,000
I think.

1723
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,829
Small long lines of doing our due diligence, front end

1724
01:32:00,829 --> 01:32:04,000
loading the project so that when we get into construction,

1725
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,140
we're not costing more in delay, time, and money by the

1726
01:32:07,140 --> 01:32:08,000
workarounds.

1727
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,649
Well, I think part of what my thought was is as I walked it

1728
01:32:10,649 --> 01:32:13,000
, I walked both sides, north and the south.

1729
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:21,430
I think I only counted two or maybe three of the decorative

1730
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:25,880
, old timey looking street pedestrian lamps like we have on

1731
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:27,000
Oak Street.

1732
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:31,479
They were very far apart. And I think that we were

1733
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:34,869
basically relying on the other street lamps that are on the

1734
01:32:34,869 --> 01:32:38,100
utility poles, the wooden utility poles, to light the

1735
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:41,000
street, light the way for the pedestrians.

1736
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:45,539
So when I was walking on the north side, I was thinking

1737
01:32:45,539 --> 01:32:50,000
there could be enough light simply to rely on the light

1738
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:54,579
that's currently available and simply make the north

1739
01:32:54,579 --> 01:32:59,479
sidewalk a little bit wider without necessarily doing the

1740
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:02,729
lights on that side because those lights are fairly far

1741
01:33:02,729 --> 01:33:03,000
apart.

1742
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:07,159
Anyway, it does not provide continuous lighting. It's not

1743
01:33:07,159 --> 01:33:10,600
like the lamp that goes to this edge and then there's

1744
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:14,000
another lamp that's connecting straight to it.

1745
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:20,279
It's almost more aesthetic than it is anything else. And I

1746
01:33:20,279 --> 01:33:23,260
was just thinking, as I was walking on the north side, this

1747
01:33:23,260 --> 01:33:25,000
sidewalk feels very narrow.

1748
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:30,449
And in some cases, it's completely blocked by some trash

1749
01:33:30,449 --> 01:33:35,000
dumpsters and some tree jut juts and things.

1750
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,640
It would be, I think it would be impossible for a person in

1751
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:42,000
a wheelchair to navigate the north side anyway.

1752
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:43,000
Yes.

1753
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:44,000
Go ahead.

1754
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,609
This is the project where Council received several emails

1755
01:33:47,609 --> 01:33:51,000
in support of this. Is this that same project?

1756
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:56,060
It was a while ago and we didn't discuss it at that time as

1757
01:33:56,060 --> 01:34:00,710
a depth, but I remember several emails from either

1758
01:34:00,710 --> 01:34:03,000
homeowners on the street.

1759
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:04,000
Right. Excuse me.

1760
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:07,000
Willing to give up part of their property.

1761
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,000
I mean, well, I mean, was.

1762
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:13,329
Well, this was brought up, I believe in November, it was

1763
01:34:13,329 --> 01:34:15,000
brought up in September.

1764
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:22,340
So I walked the same the street as well. Councilman Gregory

1765
01:34:22,340 --> 01:34:23,739
and the request was made, you know, since you're about to

1766
01:34:23,739 --> 01:34:25,000
go on to the end of construction.

1767
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:28,229
Could you take one last look at how you can basically mimic

1768
01:34:28,229 --> 01:34:30,000
Hickory like you did on Oak?

1769
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,699
And that's what we brought forward to you all. And you also

1770
01:34:32,699 --> 01:34:34,000
please go explore.

1771
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,659
But yes, I think there were some emails that were received

1772
01:34:36,659 --> 01:34:39,380
by the city council members by city council members or at

1773
01:34:39,380 --> 01:34:42,930
least on the mobility committee members about there being

1774
01:34:42,930 --> 01:34:44,000
support for this.

1775
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:48,239
So in light of the time that we have left, we have about

1776
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:52,000
eight minutes.

1777
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,890
We have read the backup. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm actually in

1778
01:34:54,890 --> 01:34:57,000
favor of the two streets matching.

1779
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:01,050
And I think the more light we have, the better it is for

1780
01:35:01,050 --> 01:35:05,000
our pedestrians and people walking in that area.

1781
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:12,000
It makes it safe. And so I am I am in favor of the design.

1782
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:15,789
Where does the money come from? Where does the extra nine

1783
01:35:15,789 --> 01:35:19,000
hundred fifty thousand dollars come from?

1784
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:25,119
You want to fill that one? Well, that is our next effort is

1785
01:35:25,119 --> 01:35:29,689
to go seek those funds to see what's available within the

1786
01:35:29,689 --> 01:35:33,699
city or other projects that that where the money would be

1787
01:35:33,699 --> 01:35:35,000
coming from.

1788
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,489
I think our first step was to bring this forward to you all

1789
01:35:38,489 --> 01:35:42,069
to see if there is any any consideration to move, move the

1790
01:35:42,069 --> 01:35:45,270
the ask any further along so that we can go do that due

1791
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:50,000
diligence with our finance department and seek those funds.

1792
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:54,479
I think that that once that road gets repaved, the old

1793
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:58,920
traffic calming mechanism of potholes will no longer be

1794
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,699
useful and people will be driving down the road

1795
01:36:02,699 --> 01:36:05,000
significantly faster.

1796
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:09,000
So narrowing the lanes, I think are appropriate.

1797
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:12,500
Acquiring additional right of way, I think, is

1798
01:36:12,500 --> 01:36:16,000
inappropriate and it would be too expensive.

1799
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:19,079
I'd be in favor of acquiring additional right of way on

1800
01:36:19,079 --> 01:36:20,000
either side.

1801
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:24,289
So narrowing the lanes, as long as it did not impact in any

1802
01:36:24,289 --> 01:36:28,430
way the bike lanes, I would be OK with seeing that that

1803
01:36:28,430 --> 01:36:30,000
sidewalk widened.

1804
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:33,909
I'm OK with I'm not sure I would be hesitant about about

1805
01:36:33,909 --> 01:36:38,300
lighting on the north side if we can have adequate lighting

1806
01:36:38,300 --> 01:36:42,510
on the south side that would that would eliminate that site

1807
01:36:42,510 --> 01:36:43,000
.

1808
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:48,079
I haven't walked it at night. I need to go back and do that

1809
01:36:48,079 --> 01:36:52,000
to see it because it may not be adequate at all.

1810
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:57,899
So I guess the direction is to move this on to full council

1811
01:36:57,899 --> 01:36:58,000
.

1812
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:02,250
But as you do so, we would need to see some specifics on

1813
01:37:02,250 --> 01:37:07,000
recommendations for where the funding would come from.

1814
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:08,000
Yes, sir. OK.

1815
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:12,600
And also a report on what it's like at night, like if the

1816
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:17,000
adequate lighting is adequate for safety or not.

1817
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:19,970
Well, that may be that we all need to walk it at night and

1818
01:37:19,970 --> 01:37:23,000
see what our personal feelings are about adequacy.

1819
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,000
You know, I'd be scared if it's too dark.

1820
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:29,279
Well, I'll walk with you because I'm a big, strong man and

1821
01:37:29,279 --> 01:37:33,000
I can protect you from all kinds of bad things.

1822
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,029
Of course, I understand you're you're learning how to pack

1823
01:37:36,029 --> 01:37:39,000
heat these days, so and taking karate and everything.

1824
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:42,000
Maybe you'd protect me. You'd protect an old elderly man.

1825
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:46,140
I loved it when earlier you were talking about the youth

1826
01:37:46,140 --> 01:37:49,829
getting bike passes and the elderly and you put my

1827
01:37:49,829 --> 01:37:53,000
direction and I qualified, by the way.

1828
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:55,000
Thank you, Mr. Astes.

1829
01:37:55,000 --> 01:38:04,000
Next item is H staff reports.

1830
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:14,000
Oh, I mentioned I skipped it.

1831
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:19,899
I have one I think would be item six, which is on the McKin

1832
01:38:19,899 --> 01:38:25,000
ney Street project pedestrian signal status on that.

1833
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,329
And then after that, if you've got any quick heads for us

1834
01:38:28,329 --> 01:38:31,479
to add to the future items, we'll take those after the pre-

1835
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:32,000
trial.

1836
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:33,000
OK.

1837
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:36,800
So for that particular signalized intersection, McKinney at

1838
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,000
Mayhill was the question there.

1839
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:43,960
And we have installed pedestrian buttons as well as the

1840
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:47,000
pedestrian heads that flash.

1841
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:52,930
So for now, we have capability of the signal stops for

1842
01:38:52,930 --> 01:38:57,609
pedestrians to cross and they get the this is an interim

1843
01:38:57,609 --> 01:39:00,000
situation in the moving forward.

1844
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:07,250
Mayhill will come in and kind of work with starting it as a

1845
01:39:07,250 --> 01:39:10,510
as it goes. Mayhill project will start from that

1846
01:39:10,510 --> 01:39:12,000
intersection and go further south.

1847
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,000
OK, thank you. Thank you so much.

1848
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,329
The only thing I would ask as we're talking about the

1849
01:39:18,329 --> 01:39:22,800
aesthetic enhancements along I-35, we had set aside funds

1850
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:27,000
for transportation projects for those kinds of things.

1851
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,920
When I think about what we've seen with the presentation of

1852
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:34,960
the medallions there near the North Texas Boulevard Bridge

1853
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:40,989
and what I've seen as far as aesthetic enhancements around

1854
01:39:40,989 --> 01:39:46,000
Hickory Creek, around the lake.

1855
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:50,689
I'm very curious as to how much they spent on those kinds

1856
01:39:50,689 --> 01:39:55,689
of enhancements because it's sort of a theme of like things

1857
01:39:55,689 --> 01:40:00,859
like that. The brick, the poured concrete with the mural

1858
01:40:00,859 --> 01:40:02,000
sort of thing.

1859
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:06,180
Form liners. OK. It's in the millions of dollars. We can

1860
01:40:06,180 --> 01:40:09,420
pull that information. I'd be curious. Just just in that

1861
01:40:09,420 --> 01:40:14,010
could come in the form of just informal staff report or

1862
01:40:14,010 --> 01:40:15,000
something.

1863
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:20,000
I would mention one thing. If you recall the North Texas,

1864
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,670
the North Texas Bridge reconstruction was the only

1865
01:40:23,670 --> 01:40:27,649
intersection that was in phase one of the 35 Express

1866
01:40:27,649 --> 01:40:29,000
project that was.

1867
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:33,029
And so as we move further south in phase two and they would

1868
01:40:33,029 --> 01:40:36,960
do that reconstruction, it will provide us an opportunity

1869
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:40,670
to do a more robust or more comprehensive aesthetic program

1870
01:40:40,670 --> 01:40:41,000
.

1871
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:46,899
All right. Anything else for today's meeting. I have one

1872
01:40:46,899 --> 01:40:50,640
concluding item. So I remember last meeting we talked about

1873
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:54,140
future projects going forward and this one was on there but

1874
01:40:54,140 --> 01:40:57,560
it's getting more and more difficult to turn left on the 3

1875
01:40:57,560 --> 01:40:59,000
80 from Old North.

1876
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:02,890
And I know that there has been a couple of accidents

1877
01:41:02,890 --> 01:41:07,430
because I've seen them in the past few months. So just if

1878
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:11,689
we can have an update on the intersection with the amount

1879
01:41:11,689 --> 01:41:16,000
of racks and what other things that we can do there.

1880
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:21,039
So I know that that lighting project was for the future. I

1881
01:41:21,039 --> 01:41:26,149
don't know how future that that is maybe an update on that.

1882
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:29,239
And that's really that's it. Can I get a point of

1883
01:41:29,239 --> 01:41:30,000
clarification on that when you say left.

1884
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:34,109
So is that a northbound to eastbound or I'm sorry south

1885
01:41:34,109 --> 01:41:38,689
bound eastbound on the old north going east turning on to 3

1886
01:41:38,689 --> 01:41:40,000
80 left.

1887
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:46,670
But it's old north going south south. Okay. Southbound on

1888
01:41:46,670 --> 01:41:49,829
old north turning east on to university. Right. There's not

1889
01:41:49,829 --> 01:41:53,189
a an arrow. And so people try to rush really fast. Why

1890
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:57,000
other people are coming straight.

1891
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:03,119
Okay. Okay. If there's nothing else and we're going to

1892
01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:11,000
adjourn the meeting at 1114 1114 let the record show.