WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.000 of the council mobility committee meeting to order. It is 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:08.400 11 37. A quorum is present and so the 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:11.250 mobility committee of the city of Denton will convene in 00:00:11.250 --> 00:00:13.759 regular meeting today Tuesday October 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:18.800 the 10th 11 35 and our council work session. One of our 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:21.519 members is not here but should be coming 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:26.079 later. The first item on the agenda is receive a nomination 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:29.199 and elect a chair and I would like to 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:32.780 just hold off on that item until we have our full committee 00:00:32.780 --> 00:00:34.560 here. So let's go to item B. 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:38.909 Consider approval of the mobility committee meeting minutes 00:00:38.909 --> 00:00:40.799 of September the 19th. 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:47.439 I move approval. Okay no corrections or suggestions. Okay I 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:49.920 will second. All those in favor say aye. 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:59.109 Aye. Okay the the meetings minutes are approved. Item C is 00:00:59.109 --> 00:01:02.079 well let's go back to item A 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:08.079 which is receive nominations and elect a chair for the Dent 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:11.040 on city council mobility committee 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:14.930 meeting. Are there any nominations? I'll nominate Sarah. I 00:01:14.930 --> 00:01:18.480 'll nominate Dalton. Are you not do you 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:22.439 not want to be chair? I can if you want. Well I mean if you 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:24.239 don't want to be chair then we 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:27.359 shouldn't nominate you but but since you represent us on 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:30.079 the regional mobility committee it's probably 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:32.829 more appropriate for you. I'll second myself. I can't that 00:01:32.829 --> 00:01:35.280 's a point of order. Huh? Yeah I'll do it. Okay 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:38.719 so there's a nomination. Are there any other nominations? 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:40.159 You withdrew your nomination to me 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:43.379 right? Yeah. Okay there are no other nominations. All those 00:01:43.379 --> 00:01:45.200 in favor of electing council member 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:49.640 Garry as chair raise your right hand. It's unanimous. There 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:53.120 you go. Oh we have to elect the vice chair. 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:59.500 Okay is that what a chair does? Well she's the chair so I 00:01:59.500 --> 00:02:02.159 can't. No I'll recognize councilwoman Briggs. 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:07.680 I would like to nominate council member Gregory for that 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:09.599 since he has already served in that position. 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:16.120 Okay I'll second. All in favor raise your right hand. Pass 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:18.479 es unanimously. What agenda item were 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:21.439 you on? We're now on C. Okay agenda item C. Receive a 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:23.280 report and hold discussion regarding 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:27.469 the implementation plan for sidewalks. Madam chair I'd like 00:02:27.469 --> 00:02:30.719 to have our bike pedestrian coordinator 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:32.879 Julie Anderson present this item. Thank you. 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:42.000 Okay good afternoon council members staff. Today we're 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:43.840 going to talk about our sidewalk 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:48.169 plan for implementing the 2014 bond election. So just as a 00:02:48.169 --> 00:02:50.000 brief update or brief history. 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:53.759 In 2014 Denton voters had approved two million dollars in 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:56.080 bond funds for miscellaneous sidewalks. 00:02:56.639 --> 00:03:00.349 So that was in November 2014. Money came available spring 00:03:00.349 --> 00:03:03.439 of that next year. And it was phased in 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:05.819 the amounts that money would be available through different 00:03:05.819 --> 00:03:07.360 fiscal years. You can see first it was 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:11.530 250,000 two subsequent years of 700,000 and then just this 00:03:11.530 --> 00:03:14.240 fiscal year is the remaining 350,000 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:18.469 dollars. So there was an initial list presented from the 00:03:18.469 --> 00:03:21.280 engineering group last year in about 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:24.500 February. There's a list about 27 projects and it was 00:03:24.500 --> 00:03:26.960 estimated about three million dollars for those 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:30.710 projects. At that time they added down we added some 00:03:30.710 --> 00:03:33.919 downtown specific projects that I had asked 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:38.889 to be looked into. Those projects do not actually have cost 00:03:38.889 --> 00:03:41.599 estimates only the top five did and those 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:45.889 got funded through some other means. And then as the list 00:03:45.889 --> 00:03:48.479 has gone on it's been added to maybe there 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:52.189 were public requests or staff recognized some other needs 00:03:52.189 --> 00:03:55.360 that got added to the list. And most of those 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:58.090 that were added did not have cost estimates because we were 00:03:58.090 --> 00:04:01.199 already working with the original list. 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:06.240 That was 27 and now it's expanded to about 50. So let's 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:08.960 give a quick overview of some of the 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:11.259 ones that have been completed in that time. So the first 00:04:11.259 --> 00:04:13.039 one was we call the exposition sidewalk. 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:15.930 It's actually on Hickory. It's right by Exposition Street. 00:04:15.930 --> 00:04:17.839 This was completed in March of this year. 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.519 It came in under budget so that's nice. Some savings there. 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:23.360 This was originally our first 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:26.120 top priority because at one point the Denton community 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.000 market was going to move down to this 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:31.120 location and that ended up not happening. But the sidewalk 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:32.879 has been built as well as a really great 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:36.910 connection for DCTA and the rail yard and the municipal 00:04:36.910 --> 00:04:40.079 core area down there. So that project's 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:44.100 been completed. Next is the Belle Avenue sidewalk. This was 00:04:44.100 --> 00:04:48.079 completed in May of 2017. There's actually 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:51.509 a slight mistake on if you look at the listing I gave you. 00:04:51.509 --> 00:04:54.720 It originally said this was 43,000. 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:57.839 I believe I was looking at a different Belle Avenue project 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:01.279 . So this actually came in at $136,000. 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:04.980 So the original estimate was supposed to be 50,000. That 00:05:04.980 --> 00:05:07.199 original estimate did not include 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:10.709 various things that the final project engineer actually 00:05:10.709 --> 00:05:12.639 included in it. So there was a bridge 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.759 railing to cross the bridge right there right by the Civic 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.639 Center. There was those parking lot bumpers 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:21.610 at the Civic Center parking for the back end parking. Not 00:05:21.610 --> 00:05:23.199 back end parking but they put those 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:26.160 bumpers in and striping and then also a retaining wall 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:28.319 needed to be built right there because there 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:31.209 was an elevation change and those were not included in the 00:05:31.209 --> 00:05:33.360 original cost estimate because a different 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:36.240 engineer ended up designing that project at the end. So 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:38.480 that was a really great connection to this 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:42.279 senior center. There was a very distinct trail path foot 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:47.600 path right there. Can I add? Yes pre-TAM. 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:52.029 The main reason for the redesign and adding a bunch of 00:05:52.029 --> 00:05:54.399 elements was to save a bunch of trees 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:58.259 right by the Civic Center parking lot. So that was a major 00:05:58.259 --> 00:06:01.120 reason. Correct. Councilmember Gregory. 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:04.360 Thank you. How did we cover the difference in cost? It came 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:07.759 out of the sidewalk fund. So $120,000 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:10.470 came from the bond election that $2 million and the 00:06:10.470 --> 00:06:13.120 remaining $20 I just believe came from an 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:18.199 engineering somewhere. Actually there was $20,000 from 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:21.199 facilities. We had included $20,000 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:24.319 because of the connection between the senior center and the 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:27.519 Civic Center. Great. Thank you. 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:31.279 A next one is the Paisley Street over here by Lee 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:35.040 Elementary School. You can see there's a gap 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:37.339 where there had been some new construction sidewalks all 00:06:37.339 --> 00:06:38.720 around it just missing this one 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:42.139 little gap right here. This was just completed last month. 00:06:42.139 --> 00:06:44.639 That budget was estimated to be $28,000. 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:48.910 It came in at $26,000. Sorry the photo was maybe washed out 00:06:48.910 --> 00:06:50.879 . Oh mine it is but it looks better up 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.839 there. There's that connection there. Right here in the 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:55.839 same area across the street just on Mac. 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:01.319 So if I go back. So this is this one but the one I'm 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:04.480 talking about next is now this section 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:09.430 that's right here. If you can see where the pointer is. So 00:07:09.430 --> 00:07:12.399 this was completed last year as well. This 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:14.800 had a little bit higher budget. There was some work that 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:16.399 needed to be done with the elevation and 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.550 people's driveways plus all four of the intersection ramps 00:07:19.550 --> 00:07:21.839 were brought up to current ADA standards. 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:23.709 So if you go out there right now you'll see all the 00:07:23.709 --> 00:07:26.720 upgraded ramps. Crosswalks were recently 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:29.459 striped as well. So that one was a little bit higher cost 00:07:29.459 --> 00:07:31.199 but this was a great connection to 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:33.899 Lee Elementary School to build up those sidewalks there. We 00:07:33.899 --> 00:07:35.839 've completed some other projects in that 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:39.529 area as well as you go more east down Paisley connecting to 00:07:39.529 --> 00:07:44.399 Mockingbird. Oh I'm sorry Councilman 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:49.600 McGrary. Having been principal at Lee for 15 years this is 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:53.680 just great because for the first time now 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:57.839 kids that live in the Singleton Oaks addition were the 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:00.480 biggest number of kids to that school. 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:05.750 Live were able to walk to school or ride a bike to school 00:08:05.750 --> 00:08:10.240 on sidewalks and avoid East McKinney Street 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:13.399 and for years kids used to use East McKinney Street because 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:15.120 Paisley didn't even go all the 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:21.310 way through. Right. So this is great and what's nice is we 00:08:21.310 --> 00:08:24.639 have also used part of the easement 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:29.160 for the DME transmission line to make a fairly wide 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:32.080 sidewalk further east. Yes further east it's 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:38.269 10 feet wide. This one I've included because it was on the 00:08:38.269 --> 00:08:42.080 the list originally. When the list was 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:45.590 developed this was noted as a nice gap we could complete 00:08:45.590 --> 00:08:48.000 down here on Robinson Road by Teasley 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:51.179 but kind of in the interim of the list being created and 00:08:51.179 --> 00:08:54.240 now this site got developed. I think 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:57.799 it's a daycare and so the sidewalk was built by the 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:01.840 developer so that budget of 15,000 has been 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:04.509 closed out and that money will just roll over to the other 00:09:04.509 --> 00:09:06.480 sidewalk projects. So at this point I 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.009 wanted to put it in there because it was on the original 00:09:09.009 --> 00:09:10.960 list but we'll probably remove it at this 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:16.009 point. This one is on loop 288. Staff has affectionately 00:09:16.009 --> 00:09:18.080 called it the Chipotle trail 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:22.350 because it's right there by Chipotle. This as you can see 00:09:22.350 --> 00:09:25.360 there's a very noted footpath here as well 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:30.259 and this project got completed just last month right around 00:09:30.259 --> 00:09:33.039 budget so this was a really great 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:38.080 connection. This one is not actually part of the sidewalk 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:40.320 bond election funds but I wanted to draw 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.009 attention to it anyway. This was a sidewalk built on Hick 00:09:43.009 --> 00:09:45.039 ory Creek Road. I think it was completed 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:49.529 early last month. Hickory Creek Road is scheduled to be 00:09:49.529 --> 00:09:53.039 widened. They wanted to put this sidewalk in 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:55.700 prior to that project going under construction so this 00:09:55.700 --> 00:09:57.519 provides a really great connection 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:00.950 for students walking to McNair Elementary School. So it's 00:10:00.950 --> 00:10:03.120 an extra wide it's about 10 feet, 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:06.409 might be eight feet. It goes from Chaucer all the way to 00:10:06.409 --> 00:10:08.159 Montecito which is right where kids can 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:11.500 cross the street then to get to McNair. Councilwoman Briggs 00:10:11.500 --> 00:10:13.519 . That was my question if the sidewalk 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:16.669 continues all the way to the school. Yes so it goes all the 00:10:16.669 --> 00:10:18.639 way from Chaucer to Montecito and at 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:20.940 Montecito there's a crossing I believe they have a crossing 00:10:20.940 --> 00:10:22.000 guard there. Okay. 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:26.899 So those are the completed projects. We have two that are 00:10:26.899 --> 00:10:29.200 we're on the list that are ready to 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:32.500 go to construction. So this one is Windsor Drive on the 00:10:32.500 --> 00:10:35.120 north side from Mesquite to that existing 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:38.240 sidewalk right by the edge of Romans Pizza and that 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:40.639 development right there. This was actually 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:44.600 a request from a citizen who has visual impairments who 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:48.960 walks from the North Lakes Rec Center to their 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:52.919 home on the other side of Elm and Locust. So that's part of 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:55.279 this was we also built that crossing 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:57.690 in front of the North Lakes Rec Center and then if you once 00:10:57.690 --> 00:10:59.440 you're on the north side this will create 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:03.860 a sidewalk all the way to Elm and Locust. So I see him 00:11:03.860 --> 00:11:07.279 walking like at least once a week so I really 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:11.350 appreciate this. Yeah this one was sort of fast tracked 00:11:11.350 --> 00:11:15.039 because of that. He actually walks all 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.399 the way past Woodrow Wilson. Yeah he goes very far on Winds 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:21.039 or. Yeah and so this was kind of a gap of 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:24.559 where he'd have to keep crossing the street all the time 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:26.799 and so this would create a nice easy 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:29.919 connection all the way on one side of the street. So this 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:32.159 one the PO right is that right the PO has 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:35.289 been submitted? It should be under construction right now. 00:11:35.289 --> 00:11:37.039 Okay. I was told this week is when 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:40.860 they're going to be out there. Great. I mean somebody let 00:11:40.860 --> 00:11:43.120 him know just because he's still 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.269 walking through this area. I don't have his contact info 00:11:46.269 --> 00:11:49.679 but do you? I'll contact him once it's all 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:53.549 done. Okay great thanks Preetan. The next one that's just 00:11:53.549 --> 00:11:55.840 about ready is just right here across the 00:11:55.840 --> 00:12:01.080 street on McKinney. This picture the north is looking out 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:03.759 to your right not the normal up. 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:07.629 You just looked better on the screen this way. So this is 00:12:07.629 --> 00:12:09.519 because we want to keep our connection 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:11.649 across the street. We have this great crosswalk we built. 00:12:11.649 --> 00:12:13.759 We want to be able to complete that 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:16.090 sidewalk all the way through there to give people a nice 00:12:16.090 --> 00:12:18.159 connection if they want to park over here 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:20.269 and make their way downtown for an event because this 00:12:20.269 --> 00:12:22.080 parking is you know available after five and 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:26.179 on the weekends. Right now we're working on coordinating 00:12:26.179 --> 00:12:29.360 some utility relocations. DME has 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:32.009 a big transformer right over there and also frontier 00:12:32.009 --> 00:12:34.240 communications. We'd ask them I believe 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:37.970 to move one of their poles to put in a ramp at the corner 00:12:37.970 --> 00:12:40.159 of Oakland and Oak and we're sort of 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:43.409 working through that. But we do anticipate it should be 00:12:43.409 --> 00:12:44.960 done by the end of the year. 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:49.519 Very shortly. I thought this was going to be the quickest 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:50.240 project. 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:55.460 Yeah a few things popped up but so those two are ready to 00:12:55.460 --> 00:12:57.360 go and we'll get those ones done and 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:01.860 completed out of those projects. So there's a lot of 00:13:01.860 --> 00:13:06.559 remaining projects on the list. So eight of them 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:09.379 on the list are ready to go to design. So either they had 00:13:09.379 --> 00:13:11.360 an account set up and had some initial 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:15.360 design work done but for various reasons staffing issues, 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:18.480 staffing changes, everything was sort of 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:21.620 put on hold when we reassessed our sidewalks. So these ones 00:13:21.620 --> 00:13:23.440 though have that account set up, 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:26.700 had maybe a survey ordered and maybe a little bit of design 00:13:26.700 --> 00:13:28.559 but never a full-on design wasn't ready 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:31.240 to go to construction. So we have eight of those that are 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.360 ready to go. Our plan is to bundle those 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:36.379 ones eight together and send them out to a consultant to be 00:13:36.379 --> 00:13:37.919 designed and possibly even 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.190 constructed. We're still working on the construction side 00:13:41.190 --> 00:13:44.399 but they will get designed by an outside firm. 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.360 The engineering I believe is putting out an RFP to have an 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:50.799 engineering on retainer I guess is the 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:53.960 right term. But there are still a bunch of remaining 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:56.480 projects on the list, remaining and new 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:59.059 projects that citizens have requested. As you might 00:13:59.059 --> 00:14:01.679 remember at last month's meeting we had a 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:04.909 citizen here who requested to have that sidewalk on Amherst 00:14:04.909 --> 00:14:06.960 for students to walk to Newton Raiser 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:10.389 Elementary School. So what we would like to do with those 00:14:10.389 --> 00:14:12.399 projects is want to bring them all 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:17.450 together and rank them so that we're ranking these projects 00:14:17.450 --> 00:14:20.240 based on a set of parameters that we can 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:25.289 then show people this is ranked 50 as above this one's 30. 00:14:25.289 --> 00:14:27.600 So we want to take all those projects in 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:30.330 together, rank them and then move forward with the highest 00:14:30.330 --> 00:14:32.159 ranked projects until the entire two 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:34.639 million is expended. So as you know we've completed some 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:36.879 projects so there's not two million right now 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:41.370 left in the fund. There's a little over a million in the 00:14:41.370 --> 00:14:44.480 fund right now but we want to work towards 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:48.509 completing those projects in that money with the highest 00:14:48.509 --> 00:14:50.799 ranked projects. Julie I think Mark has 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:53.750 something you'd like to say. Julie would you mind for the 00:14:53.750 --> 00:14:56.000 uh might want to remind the committee some 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:01.250 of the prioritization such as you know the ADA issues, 00:15:01.250 --> 00:15:05.039 proximity to event center schools. Yeah 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:09.990 so initially when staff was going through that initial 27 00:15:09.990 --> 00:15:12.159 list on the projects on the list 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.840 and they noted ones that had close elementary schools what 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:17.360 were ADA issues, what were high 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.659 pedestrian areas, also which ones had requests like 00:15:20.659 --> 00:15:23.279 repeated requests to staff and which ones 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:26.980 could you actually see a footpath where you know people are 00:15:26.980 --> 00:15:29.039 using it. So that was the guiding 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:32.159 principle about the list and how they move forward but we'd 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:33.919 like to just make it a little bit more 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:40.309 objective with this ranking system. So I'm looking at the 00:15:40.309 --> 00:15:43.600 large matrix that was on our desk with the 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:47.620 there are five on here that have been ranked and I wanted 00:15:47.620 --> 00:15:51.039 to just briefly touch on the north side 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:56.460 of Mingo from Riddell Street to Bell Avenue. Yes. So I know 00:15:56.460 --> 00:15:59.279 that TWU has a master plan that they're 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:04.590 working on for the golf course and I'm wondering if we have 00:16:04.590 --> 00:16:08.799 coordinated with them to what extent 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:14.809 the sidewalk would have mobility enhancements for their 00:16:14.809 --> 00:16:18.399 expanded campus and I guess also if I could 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:23.450 get input from my fellow council members. Thank you for 00:16:23.450 --> 00:16:26.399 bringing that up because I wanted to talk 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:31.450 about that. Since there's been a four-story apartment 00:16:31.450 --> 00:16:34.879 complex built on Riddell between Mingo 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:39.340 and University Drive and apparently the Texas Williams 00:16:39.340 --> 00:16:42.480 University has secured that entire 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:47.629 apartment complex for its students. I'm assuming that 00:16:47.629 --> 00:16:51.039 because on move-in day they had signs pointed 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:56.090 to various dorms on campus and to that apartment complex 00:16:56.090 --> 00:16:59.600 and since school has started I since I 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:05.789 drive down Mingo a lot I have seen students walking along M 00:17:05.789 --> 00:17:10.160 ingo between the the road and the golf 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:13.940 course. On the south side of Mingo. Actually on the north 00:17:13.940 --> 00:17:18.480 side of Mingo. Oh yeah that's the north 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:20.859 side. Yeah. The side that's next to the golf course. The 00:17:20.859 --> 00:17:22.319 side that's next to the golf course 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:27.589 and my thought is with that many students living there and 00:17:27.589 --> 00:17:31.440 with no parking really available on 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:34.319 campus for them I'm sure that a lot of students would be 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:36.880 wanting to either walk or ride their bikes. 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:44.730 Right. So have people on staff been in touch with the 00:17:44.730 --> 00:17:46.880 administration at TWU 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:52.569 regarding the possibility of relocating that fits back a 00:17:52.569 --> 00:17:55.680 little bit. I know that there's some issues 00:17:55.680 --> 00:18:02.130 along there because of some of the drainage but driving on 00:18:02.130 --> 00:18:04.240 that road daytime and night time 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.059 there are too many times when people especially dealing 00:18:07.059 --> 00:18:09.279 with the the drainage going under the road 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:12.910 get up on the roadway you're wearing dark clothes and you 00:18:12.910 --> 00:18:15.279 don't see them until you're on them 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:20.109 and somebody's going to get hurt. So has anybody talked to 00:18:20.109 --> 00:18:22.000 TWU are we doing anything to possibly 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:25.940 press forward with that. I haven't spoken with them 00:18:25.940 --> 00:18:28.000 recently but I do believe we had a meeting 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:32.339 with them at one point to discuss that. Councilman Redd, it 00:18:32.339 --> 00:18:34.880 was at a very high level we do need to 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:38.910 re-engage in some detailed conversations with them. We're 00:18:38.910 --> 00:18:41.119 also looking at some conversations 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:44.710 with them along Roodale Street where they've got they've 00:18:44.710 --> 00:18:47.119 got on the northbound side of Roodale 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:51.980 there's a bus stop there and there's not much room there 00:18:51.980 --> 00:18:54.640 and we've noticed where we've got 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:59.109 citizens or riders that are sitting literally on the curb 00:18:59.109 --> 00:19:01.359 kind of out into the right of way so 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:05.119 we do have multiple issues that we'd like to see if we 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:07.359 could work with TWU in terms of 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:10.220 enhancing pedestrian and alternative transportation. Well I 00:19:10.220 --> 00:19:11.039 would I would encourage 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:14.390 you all to do so soon and to report back to us when you're 00:19:14.390 --> 00:19:17.680 here. Very well. Councilman 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:20.920 comment on that as well. I drive that street regularly and 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:23.440 they're not just students but a 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:27.109 lot of people walking and riding along that using that as a 00:19:27.109 --> 00:19:31.599 road to get to downtown area as well so 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:35.470 I was glad to see that on the list and I hope that stays 00:19:35.470 --> 00:19:38.400 close to priority. Right so Mingo is 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.359 definitely a key connection we had bike counts out on Mingo 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:43.119 two years ago and there was a high 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:45.589 amount of people biking on that road for well it's very inh 00:19:45.589 --> 00:19:47.440 ospitable to people biking and walking 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:51.160 and it's probably one of the most requested streets I get 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:53.039 from people to do something for 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:56.950 bike and pedestrian safety so it's it's definitely 00:19:56.950 --> 00:20:00.559 something on our on our minds. One note though if 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:06.970 you if you look at I think it was exhibit two, exhibit one, 00:20:06.970 --> 00:20:10.880 that the Mingo road is number 28 and 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:15.930 it's the estimated cost was 625,000 at that point it was 00:20:15.930 --> 00:20:18.240 more than the two million so at this point 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:21.359 it was unfunded but I wanted to go ahead and give that 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:23.839 project ranking because if it was ranked 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:27.650 really high you know it would hopefully move up and we 00:20:27.650 --> 00:20:30.400 would do that one sooner based on how it 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:33.359 ranked. So we'll go into the ranking now we wanted to 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.400 create a ranking system where we could you know 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:39.519 say this was you know 50 and this one was 30 we're going to 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:41.359 do this one first that we could show to 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:44.140 the public this is why we wanted to do this project first. 00:20:44.140 --> 00:20:46.240 So pre-time actually worked on this ranking 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:50.500 system researched what other cities had been doing created 00:20:50.500 --> 00:20:53.119 this first there was the pedestrian 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:57.109 potential pedestrian potential potential index signing 00:20:57.109 --> 00:20:59.440 points based on the likelihood of 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:02.829 pedestrian travel on that road so elementary schools middle 00:21:02.829 --> 00:21:04.640 schools get a certain number of 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:07.390 points on a transit route gets some certain points if there 00:21:07.390 --> 00:21:09.519 's a noted footpath it gets so many points 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:13.759 that actually comes to a total of 30-35 points and then 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:16.000 there's also what we call the deficiency 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:19.400 index so how critically is this project needed so what's 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:21.440 the posted speed limit or have there been 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:24.779 pedestrian crashes on that roadway is there an existing 00:21:24.779 --> 00:21:26.960 sidewalk how many lanes or a road are 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:30.690 there that comes to a total of 51 points so right now the 00:21:30.690 --> 00:21:33.599 total is at 81 pre-time and I were discussing 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.339 maybe it'd be best to make it so the number was 100 that 00:21:37.339 --> 00:21:39.839 way people it's easy more relatable if 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:44.160 you can say this was 99 out of 100 as opposed to this was 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:47.200 50 out of 80 so that's something we'd 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:51.549 like to look into. So as I said I didn't want to rank all 00:21:51.549 --> 00:21:54.400 the projects on the list because I wanted 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:57.359 to be able to bring the ranking criteria to this group 00:21:57.359 --> 00:21:59.759 first see if there were any suggestions and 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:02.490 then if we wanted to refine the ranking and then at that 00:22:02.490 --> 00:22:04.480 point we'd go ahead and rank all the rest 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:08.450 of those projects so I ranked just a sampling of them Amher 00:22:08.450 --> 00:22:11.200 st that was the one Dr. Brighill last 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:14.829 week had not last month had requested so I went ahead to 00:22:14.829 --> 00:22:17.599 rank that one Alice was also an email we'd 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:19.910 gotten from some people that Alice needed to have a 00:22:19.910 --> 00:22:23.279 sidewalk for students going to Calhoun and also to 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:28.230 my mind is blanked Denton High in that area and then North 00:22:28.230 --> 00:22:31.599 side of Mingo Nottingham is also on on 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:34.589 the list and then Northside of McKinney from Bell Place to 00:22:34.589 --> 00:22:36.559 Railroad down here which has a noted 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:42.130 footpath so you can see that Alice ranked really high 54 00:22:42.130 --> 00:22:46.240 out of 81 and you can see how those those 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:49.890 ranked at the time when we put this together pedestrian 00:22:49.890 --> 00:22:52.240 crashes I had not received them yet 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:55.230 Julie just one moment council member okay go for it so a 00:22:55.230 --> 00:22:58.400 question about I'm curious 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:04.640 just because I'd like to see behind the curtain how a thank 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:05.599 you how a 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:11.490 the Alice Street got a slightly higher ranking than Amherst 00:23:11.490 --> 00:23:12.640 how do we how do we 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:17.019 right so Alice actually because Alice had it was close to a 00:23:17.019 --> 00:23:19.200 high school and an elementary school 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:23.660 and a middle school so it got some extra points there I 00:23:23.660 --> 00:23:26.400 mean it wasn't much higher actually I 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:29.220 noticed there was an error I gave six when the highest 00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:31.359 number is actually a four so Alice is 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:35.000 actually at 52 so it's only one higher than the Amherst one 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:37.039 and that's because it was also close 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:41.380 to a high school so those ones were basically neck and neck 00:23:41.380 --> 00:23:44.000 basically they're safe routes to 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:49.049 school projects and what I was saying before pedestrian 00:23:49.049 --> 00:23:51.279 crashes I had asked for those from 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:53.579 the police department I had not received that back from 00:23:53.579 --> 00:23:54.960 them yet when I initially put this 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:59.990 together and it was posted but I did receive those back 00:23:59.990 --> 00:24:02.960 late on Friday and only one one street on 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:06.190 this list currently had a pedestrian crash and that was on 00:24:06.190 --> 00:24:08.400 mingo road so a pedestrian crash gives 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:16.960 10 points so mingo would actually jump up to being 52 sorry 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:21.279 it is just odd to say that a 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:24.789 pedestrian crash gets 10 points right that did come out 00:24:24.789 --> 00:24:26.400 possibly wrong but if there's a 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:29.160 pedestrian crash sure we want to make sure that's a high 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.400 priority council member bricks so I do know 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:36.059 speaking of that in the area of Calhoun and didn't hide 00:24:36.059 --> 00:24:39.519 there have been a couple of accidents on bikes 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:47.180 and pedestrians so are any of the the projects in that area 00:24:47.180 --> 00:24:50.240 where the accidents happened are they on 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:53.359 this list or is that a sidewalk issue or is that well a 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:56.319 different issue is a bike crash or 00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:59.559 pedestrian crash but one of each yeah bike crash wouldn't 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:01.680 necessarily make it on this list because 00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:04.220 we don't sidewalks aren't built for people who are riding 00:25:04.220 --> 00:25:05.920 their bikes sidewalks were built for 00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:10.509 pedestrians but I do remember there being the crash on is 00:25:10.509 --> 00:25:13.759 it Fulton not Fulton Crescent thank you 00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:19.759 the crash was on Crescent not on Alice and Alice is on the 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:23.279 list but we could possibly broaden 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:26.599 where the pedestrian crash occurs is it near the area if we 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:28.319 wanted to include that in the list 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:33.190 so no right now the pedestrian crash that occurred on Cres 00:25:33.190 --> 00:25:36.079 cent is not included in this right here 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:40.319 work but pre-tem correct me if I'm wrong I understand that 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:43.920 engineering or traffic operations 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:47.440 is working on another solution to address that scenario or 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:49.440 the issue over on Crescent and DHS 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:53.960 correct can you go to a map so that it's easier to explain 00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:55.920 yeah just an aerial quick one 00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:02.799 yeah so last week I went out there met the principal of 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:04.799 Denton High as well as 00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:08.440 Denton ISD environmental safety manager he's the person 00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:10.319 that takes care of safety around all the 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:16.049 campuses he's our main contact for the ISD and got to talk 00:26:16.049 --> 00:26:19.440 to them as far as issues what are the 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:23.920 concerns they see how it can be remedied and what we 00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:27.759 noticed while we were out on the site we noticed 00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:32.809 that there's a northern parking lot north of Crescent keep 00:26:32.809 --> 00:26:36.559 on going this way yeah right that one 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:42.150 so the north parking lot it is close to 150 spaces there 00:26:42.150 --> 00:26:44.640 and it's primarily students are parking 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:49.690 there and if you look at the entire furniture it's on a 00:26:49.690 --> 00:26:54.000 curve with no fencing no kind of 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.400 restriction for students so they cross every which way 00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:00.319 everywhere across Crescent people that 00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:03.480 are traveling on Crescent when they come around the curve 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.400 they don't have a way to know if a student 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:09.140 is going to jump in front of them what's going to happen 00:27:09.140 --> 00:27:12.319 there is a school zone currently between 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:16.079 right it starts right in the first house near Fulton going 00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:18.160 westbound and then eastbound in the 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.569 middle of the baseball field so that particular area is 20 00:27:22.569 --> 00:27:24.960 miles an hour when the school is in 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:29.019 session in the morning time as well as afternoon time so it 00:27:29.019 --> 00:27:32.559 is it is already implemented but what 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:36.990 is missing from there was a flashing sign to actually pull 00:27:36.990 --> 00:27:39.440 attention from motorists saying 00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:43.920 you know it is a 20-mile zone and they should be aware of 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.640 that so we did find a few people doing 00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:51.690 30 close to 30 25 to 30 and that would be definitely 00:27:51.690 --> 00:27:54.559 helpful so as far as the city's 00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:58.069 concerned we're thinking of adding those flashers at those 00:27:58.069 --> 00:28:00.079 locations the other thing that was brought 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:04.589 up is a pedestrian crossing signage that has those flashing 00:28:04.589 --> 00:28:07.200 signs with lights that are across 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.089 from the street on McKinney a couple of those one at the 00:28:11.089 --> 00:28:14.559 corner where it really turns and then 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:18.380 the other one on the other side will make this area much 00:28:18.380 --> 00:28:20.640 more better as far as you know drawing 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:24.599 attention from motorists for pedestrians that might be on 00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.519 the street the other thing then ISD is 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:31.599 is going to take care of that they're going to put a fence 00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:34.480 across that entire frontage so that 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:38.170 kids are only allowed to get out where the sidewalk kind of 00:28:38.170 --> 00:28:40.240 meets on either side so that would be a 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:43.359 better option to channelize them on either side so those 00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:45.440 are the three things that we looked at. 00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:50.849 Thank you, councilman. Thank you. I would encourage the 00:28:50.849 --> 00:28:54.640 fence or something and I'm assuming 00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.500 that anytime that there's an analysis of a crash a 00:28:58.500 --> 00:29:05.119 pedestrian vehicle accident that we look really 00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:10.170 closely because I know that that the city took quite a bit 00:29:10.170 --> 00:29:13.599 of of criticism about two years ago 00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:17.440 or within the last two years for some high school students 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:20.559 that were crossing loop 288 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:25.029 close to the intersection of loop 288 and McKinney street. 00:29:25.029 --> 00:29:28.240 The problem was had they gone 00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:34.359 about 50 yards further to the north they would have had a 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:36.400 controlled crosswalk. 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.880 It was there it was available for them but they didn't use 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:45.359 it. Their adolescents and they feeling 00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:51.390 vulnerable to being hurt and they ran across the street in 00:29:51.390 --> 00:29:55.839 the dark and one of them was was killed. 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.319 So I think that you know when you think about them when you 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:04.400 think about teenagers putting fences that 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.180 that they would be less likely to try to climb over on 00:30:07.180 --> 00:30:10.400 their way to school and making them walk 00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:14.970 down to a safer place to cross would probably add a lot to 00:30:14.970 --> 00:30:17.920 the safety feature because I don't think 00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:21.039 that just painting a line across the street is going to do 00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:23.039 enough to encourage them to use that. 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:26.759 Yeah and that's also we discussed about the crosswalk and 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.720 even the principal as well as the 00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:32.450 safety manager there felt that crosswalk would kind of 00:30:32.450 --> 00:30:34.880 create an unsafe situation just because 00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:37.859 kids are not going to look up anymore if there's a cross 00:30:37.859 --> 00:30:40.480 walk they'll just focus and expect the cars 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.599 to stop as if thinking that you know they're invincible 00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:46.000 they're that age that they think this 00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:49.359 car is going to stop so we kind of eliminated the crosswalk 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:52.640 . Councilmember Briggs. So on the 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:55.609 sidewalk looking at this picture on Crescent I see there's 00:30:55.609 --> 00:30:57.359 the sidewalk here on the school and 00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:01.779 there's not one on the opposite. How far does the does the 00:31:01.779 --> 00:31:05.039 sidewalk from the school go all the way to 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:12.079 Fulton and then all the way to Malone? 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:17.250 Correct I think I'm just curious of what we're talking 00:31:17.250 --> 00:31:18.240 about sidewalks. 00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.880 This did not build a sidewalk here. 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:32.059 So there's not a complete one from okay no okay the school 00:31:32.059 --> 00:31:33.680 built the sidewalk and 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:37.359 this church did not. 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:43.450 Okay that's interesting thank you and just one more 00:31:43.450 --> 00:31:47.599 question on the that list that we were talking 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:51.970 about the itemized list you mentioned most of those are 00:31:51.970 --> 00:31:54.160 scored high because of the 00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.329 distance to school or schools. Does that qualify them for 00:32:00.329 --> 00:32:02.720 safe routes to school funding? 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:09.059 Yes if safe routes to school funding was available we would 00:32:09.059 --> 00:32:12.079 apply for it but again that's federal 00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.589 funding we don't have safe routes to school funding at the 00:32:15.589 --> 00:32:18.000 city. Right well I know you have to apply 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.369 for it but yes definitely it's another way to make sure 00:32:20.369 --> 00:32:26.000 that we have funding. Okay yes so this would 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:29.890 be the ranking we'd go with the PPI and the DI but then as 00:32:29.890 --> 00:32:32.640 we were discussing projects we'd also 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:35.500 be able to have taken some other considerations such as 00:32:35.500 --> 00:32:37.599 availability of right-of-way cost and 00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:41.470 coordination with other projects. So perhaps a project that 00:32:41.470 --> 00:32:44.160 ranked fairly high but was going to 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:47.279 maybe be part of a larger project a good example is down on 00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:49.279 Londonderry we have that on our list 00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:51.730 but Londonderry is having some work done around there so we 00:32:51.730 --> 00:32:53.359 might wait on that project to coordinate 00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:58.400 with that one instead. Cost could be a very prohibitive 00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:00.240 factor we only have two million well 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:03.250 less than two million now to spend on sidewalks so it's a 00:33:03.250 --> 00:33:05.440 decision we'd have to make if this was a 00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.930 really expensive project but we got a lot of bang for that 00:33:07.930 --> 00:33:10.480 buck maybe we'd still try to do it. So we 00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:13.309 would use the ranking as our initial scoring which ones are 00:33:13.309 --> 00:33:14.720 highest to work on and then 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.910 internal staff we'd meet together and decide is this 00:33:18.910 --> 00:33:22.720 project feasible for different different 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:26.680 options. I know as I was going through this ranking ranking 00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:28.559 these these sample projects 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.119 I did notice there were some things I'd probably like to 00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:34.640 change such as the the 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:39.839 operating speed you only get one point if it's 30 to 34 00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:43.039 miles per hour but most of our streets 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:48.089 in Denton are 30 miles an hour and you get the most points 00:33:48.089 --> 00:33:50.720 if it's over 50 from a primary 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:53.019 arterial so I maybe like to rework that one to give a 00:33:53.019 --> 00:33:55.119 little more points because our streets are 00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:57.559 a lot of them are just our neighborhood streets that need 00:33:57.559 --> 00:33:59.519 sidewalks and they're only at 30 miles 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:03.200 an hour so does anybody else have any discussion points 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.079 about things you'd like to possibly see in 00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:09.840 the ranking or anything like that I mean we'll try to move 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:10.960 forward with it. 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.820 I would have a question about the points that are allotted 00:34:18.820 --> 00:34:20.960 for elementary schools and high schools 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:24.079 so do the universities have points allotted as well like 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:26.960 proximity to a university? No they do 00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.199 not on this list it's just high school elementary and then 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:32.800 you know employment local interest which 00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:37.389 you could consider a university local interest but perhaps 00:34:37.389 --> 00:34:40.000 we should add a distinct column for 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:43.309 close to a university. I would say so because that's where 00:34:43.309 --> 00:34:45.360 you get a lot of pedestrians so 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.119 I would think that that score is at least similar to what 00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:53.679 an undergrad school or I guess children's 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:57.699 school would score. Right okay we can definitely work that 00:34:57.699 --> 00:35:03.599 in. So Councilman Briggs sorry and that's 00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:06.190 right and just on the sidewalks and we're speaking about 00:35:06.190 --> 00:35:09.119 distance to schools I do know that buses do 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:13.170 not run within three miles of a school and so if a an area 00:35:13.170 --> 00:35:15.760 is within three miles of a school does 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.639 it get higher priority for sidewalks as compared to those 00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:22.320 that yeah things closest to the school 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.500 quarter mile then you get points for a half a mile to three 00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:27.440 quarter of a mile okay those get the 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.110 highest points if it's closest to the school. Okay thank 00:35:30.110 --> 00:35:37.280 you. So I don't know if you had a question. 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:40.300 Great so we just want to review and approve this ranking 00:35:40.300 --> 00:35:42.480 system we'll move forward we'll make some 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.190 of those small changes and move forward with that. We'll 00:35:45.190 --> 00:35:47.199 want to rank the remaining projects that are 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.159 on this list and take a new request so our my plan is to we 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:54.239 would like to create a website a web page 00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.599 on the website that has the sidewalks listed and where you 00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:59.679 can request a new site. We want to be 00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:02.690 able to take a new request from citizens have a place for 00:36:02.690 --> 00:36:04.960 them to request that we'll go ahead and 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:07.829 rank that put it in with the rest of the ranking and every 00:36:07.829 --> 00:36:09.519 quarter or if it needs to be more 00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:12.190 frequently if we have a lot of requests staff will meet 00:36:12.190 --> 00:36:14.480 together to reassess those rankings and 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:18.000 maybe we'll move projects based on that. Like I said yeah 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.320 we'll reassess that list quarterly and 00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.150 then we'll continue until all the funds get expended and 00:36:23.150 --> 00:36:24.960 hopefully we'll be able to build 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:28.329 a lot of sidewalks. So this is just for our our new 00:36:28.329 --> 00:36:31.599 sidewalks building with our two million dollars. 00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:35.690 We are working on creating an ADA transition plan that 00:36:35.690 --> 00:36:39.920 would hopefully assess existing sidewalks 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:43.349 that need to get fixed or maintained repaired and 00:36:43.349 --> 00:36:46.159 eventually we'd like to have a listing and 00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:48.510 a ranking of all of our sidewalk gaps in the city. As you 00:36:48.510 --> 00:36:50.320 know this list that we have right now is 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.320 not even all the the gaps that we have in the city so we'd 00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:54.880 like to work towards being 00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:59.929 much more proactive in assessing our sidewalk list and how 00:36:59.929 --> 00:37:01.360 we can move forward with that. 00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:06.800 Well that sounds great to me. I think having the public 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:08.960 input and having it be in a place that 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:12.139 people can access is a great idea. I'll just go back to the 00:37:12.139 --> 00:37:14.079 mingo issue again. I really encourage 00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:18.420 you guys to work with the administration at TWU because I 00:37:18.420 --> 00:37:21.360 think that road is scheduled to be 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.239 expanded at some point in the distant future. I thought it 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:25.679 might be on a list somewhere. 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:30.349 Maybe not. I don't know. Well I'll work with engineering 00:37:30.349 --> 00:37:32.079 and see what we can. 00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:34.559 I thought I thought I heard something about you know 00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:36.480 distant future mingo expansion but it could 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.940 have just been like wishful thinking or something. So I 00:37:39.940 --> 00:37:42.239 would just hope that we have a really 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:46.030 comprehensive look at that particular area. Madam Chair 00:37:46.030 --> 00:37:48.559 there had been some discussion with 00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:52.559 with TWU administration when we were working on the Pres 00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.599 cott property up at 380 with DCTA in terms 00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:01.840 of how that line would work, how that might have to push 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.639 out and mingo and if there was an interest 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.329 by TWU. So we need to re-engage the. Okay well thank you. 00:38:08.329 --> 00:38:10.559 All right thank you Julie. Oh wait I'm 00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:13.679 sorry Councilman Briggs. I just wanted to follow up and say 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.239 thank you for bringing this discussion to 00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:19.590 us. I'm really glad that we're having it and the most 00:38:19.590 --> 00:38:22.320 complaints we get as council members are for 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.119 streets and sidewalks and so I'm glad to see that we're 00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.760 having this discussion and making it priority. 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:34.960 Thank you. Thank you. Okay thanks Julie. Our next item is 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:38.719 item D. Receive a report hold a discussion 00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:41.250 and provide direction regarding Texas Department of 00:38:41.250 --> 00:38:43.599 Transportation on system projects in the Denton 00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:53.260 area to include the 35 express project. Which one? The 00:38:53.260 --> 00:38:57.679 mobility committee. Do you have to go on? 00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:01.840 Oh I can do that. John you're presenting. 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:09.519 You're getting fancy John. 00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:19.599 Also the the scrolling doesn't work on this mouse. 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.340 Yeah yeah or you can like do that. Don't give me options. 00:39:25.340 --> 00:39:27.840 But the button doesn't work I just got 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:33.840 with that. I still try to use it though. Here it is. 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:48.239 Okay yeah like how small do you want it? Okay there you go. 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.719 Okay so I'll just run through the report real quick and you 00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:57.119 guys can stop me. If you need that 00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:02.170 bigger I can have Julie come back up. So here we go. So the 00:40:02.170 --> 00:40:04.960 first project we're going to go over 00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.769 is the 2181 north south project. This report was submitted 00:40:09.769 --> 00:40:12.719 prior to the October 5th. We actually 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:12.719 had the meeting the pre-construction meeting with MCM on 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:20.960 this project. Out of that pre-construction 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:26.010 meeting several things from an action item came out. One is 00:40:26.010 --> 00:40:28.239 that MCM is not going to be allowed 00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:33.639 to start the project until they have their baseline 00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:37.599 schedule submitted and an office site 00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:42.929 established. Now MCM has decided to co-locate their office 00:40:42.929 --> 00:40:47.199 with their batch plant. So it's 00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:52.250 typically the batch plant that is the difficult item to 00:40:52.250 --> 00:40:56.800 acquire the location of and I'm wondering 00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:59.920 to kind of get this a little bigger to show you kind of 00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:03.039 where they are looking to do it and it's 00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:07.159 going to require the city to you know walk through the 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.480 process of their permitting if it's even allowed. 00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:15.530 So here's the 2499. I know that says 2499 but that's 00:41:15.530 --> 00:41:17.519 whatever reason that's wrong. 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.920 2499 this location right here is an open area. You need to 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.519 stand by the microphone. Sorry. 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:33.800 This area right in here where the star is wherever that is 00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:35.920 is the location they're looking at. 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:40.340 This is 2499. The only other location they can find in the 00:41:40.340 --> 00:41:42.559 area that's close is down here by 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:48.650 Park Ridge across from Lake Dallas High School. The reason 00:41:48.650 --> 00:41:50.320 this is probably less than 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.360 positive for them to use is because as you know when Geyer 00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:58.239 and they've also asked the ISD to use 00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:02.300 their site consistent with their Belfour guys but the 00:42:02.300 --> 00:42:05.599 school district said there's not enough room. 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:08.000 So if they use the Park Ridge site, 00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:15.780 does that push? Ah it's like a laser. So if they use the 00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:21.440 Park Ridge site in this area what happens 00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:25.289 is these pointers always make me look like I'm drinking a 00:42:25.289 --> 00:42:28.159 lot of coffee. They have to truck their 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:34.110 materials along 2181 to construct a project and as you know 00:42:34.110 --> 00:42:35.760 in this area where 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:39.789 Geyer High School is, twice a day basically in the morning 00:42:39.789 --> 00:42:41.119 and the afternoon, 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.679 there's no traffic that's going to get through here and the 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.480 other problem is they don't want 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:50.260 to have a lot of traffic moving through this area during 00:42:50.260 --> 00:42:52.559 that time frame. So if they can 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:57.239 access this site as a batch plant in their office then they 00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.719 'll be able to have direct access to the 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:05.159 entire project corridor. Now as a side note they're also 00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.400 got a contract with Corinth to, 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:14.780 man that is shaky, to extend Lake Sharon to 2499 and that's 00:43:14.780 --> 00:43:17.039 a project that they've got going on 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.820 concurrent and so then once they get that graded out they 00:43:20.820 --> 00:43:24.159 'll be able to come to 2499 off that graded 00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:27.519 area off of Lake Sharon. So they're requesting the city 00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.239 consider a permit for batch plant in this area. 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:34.730 I know that that's a sensitive topic and so I think at the 00:43:34.730 --> 00:43:38.000 last meeting we had Chad was there 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:41.760 from engineering was the I think was Chad and then Tim 00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:46.079 Fisher was there for a bit but then he had to 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:49.090 go so they were going to get back with somebody with the 00:43:49.090 --> 00:43:50.960 staff level to find out what that 00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.650 permitting process or even if it is possible for a batch 00:43:54.650 --> 00:43:56.559 plant at that location and the reason 00:43:56.559 --> 00:44:00.519 that's a critical path item again it's where they create 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:04.400 and make their concrete on site so it's 00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:08.849 they'll bring in the sand, the gravel, the Portland and 00:44:08.849 --> 00:44:12.559 they create the concrete for the project on site. 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:16.820 Council Member Briggs and so that's the permit they're 00:44:16.820 --> 00:44:20.400 looking for before they can get this project going? 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:24.840 Correct it's it's a it'll be like a permit through the city 00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:27.840 's I guess building process because it's a 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:33.300 you know batch plants are not a pleasant thing to be next 00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:33.679 to. 00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:34.179 Right. 00:44:34.179 --> 00:44:38.610 And I think the city has requirements for noise abatement, 00:44:38.610 --> 00:44:41.599 curfew hours, etc. 00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:44.559 that you can't apply to the construction of the project 00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.559 because it's a state project 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:50.110 but you can apply it to the permit for the batch plant 00:44:50.110 --> 00:44:53.360 because it's yours to either give or not give. 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.960 So is the batch plant temporary or it's permanent? 00:44:56.960 --> 00:45:01.659 It's temporary for the length of the project and so they're 00:45:01.659 --> 00:45:03.280 putting their offices there 00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:06.989 as well and the contract says they can't start the project 00:45:06.989 --> 00:45:09.360 until they have their offices established 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:16.539 and for whatever reason they've decided to co-locate and so 00:45:16.539 --> 00:45:18.320 MCM is going to be turning in there 00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:23.510 their baseline schedule on October 19th and once that 00:45:23.510 --> 00:45:26.400 occurs, TXDOT will agree to it because it's 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:30.829 going to be at the 650-day length on the contract. The 00:45:30.829 --> 00:45:35.280 contract time starts but they won't allow them 00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.440 to go to construction until they have this office site set 00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:40.559 up which requires a permit from the city 00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:45.599 and for the batch plant. So it's kind of all intertwined 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:47.760 and I think the appropriate staff 00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:50.429 have been communicated. I thought I saw Chad's 00:45:50.429 --> 00:45:52.719 communicating with somebody at the meeting the 00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:56.429 other day so I'm just kind of throwing that out there for 00:45:56.429 --> 00:45:58.719 whoever's responsible for that. 00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.070 The other thing we need on this project is the city of Dent 00:46:05.070 --> 00:46:07.119 on has a water line that MCM is going 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:11.159 to be constructing first as a part of this project and 00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:14.239 there was some confusion. I think Tim had to 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:17.949 leave for an earlier meeting on there. MCM was under the 00:46:17.949 --> 00:46:20.320 impression that they had to get the water 00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:25.369 line in and open by May of next year but what it is is that 00:46:25.369 --> 00:46:28.159 I think the city was saying there's a 00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:32.119 certain few months June, July, August where you can't do 00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:34.880 the cutover unless it's specific times 00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:38.110 because it's a high use period for your water line. So 00:46:38.110 --> 00:46:40.480 somebody from the city utilities is going to 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:44.780 provide that date because that matters because if it's May 00:46:44.780 --> 00:46:48.400 they want to do a different schedule 00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:52.269 than if it's November and November is the normal process by 00:46:52.269 --> 00:46:54.880 which they would do it and as long as 00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:58.389 the city is okay with not being those three months in the 00:46:58.389 --> 00:47:00.559 summer then it helps the schedule 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.440 with MCM to be able to do it in November as opposed to May. 00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:16.320 Okay so that's 2181. I know I've covered a lot of stuff on 00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:16.800 that but 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:21.170 contractor's on contract. He's getting ready to go but he 00:47:21.170 --> 00:47:24.079 can't start till he gets some of his paperwork done. 00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:28.889 And I have a question for Pre-Tim. Do you know where that 00:47:28.889 --> 00:47:30.800 batch permit is at? 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:34.920 So they I don't even think they've submitted it because we 00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:36.559 weren't even sure. 00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:40.719 This was my mistake. I thought that the city had an 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:44.639 ordinance precluding batch plants in the city 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.400 but Chad checked on it and said no they don't have an 00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:51.840 ordinance precluding them but they do have an 00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.900 ordinance that requires certain mitigation so there we're 00:47:55.900 --> 00:47:57.920 going to go check on that. So they 00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.630 haven't submitted an application because they don't even 00:48:00.630 --> 00:48:03.679 know that they can. They're waiting to find 00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:07.639 out if it's even possible. However with all with all the 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.840 staff changes that we've had in the 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.690 planning department we make sure that all the appropriate 00:48:12.690 --> 00:48:14.159 contacts are out there so that 00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:16.960 that is submitted to the right individual. Okay. 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.920 Okay John I don't want to rush you or anything but we only 00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:27.440 have the room for 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:32.019 about 50-45 more minutes. So I take that long I need to be 00:48:32.019 --> 00:48:33.519 hitting the head. 00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:36.889 We have two more items after you that's the only reason I'm 00:48:36.889 --> 00:48:38.480 actually rushing you. 00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:46.559 Okay so forward drive the long short of it is if you look 00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:51.280 there it says right away completes 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:56.329 December 2017. Utility relocations is October but ready to 00:48:56.329 --> 00:48:58.000 let is November. That doesn't seem to 00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:01.150 make sense except that the only piece of right away we have 00:49:01.150 --> 00:49:02.960 left on this project to acquire 00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:07.150 is right there where the railroad track crosses 377. There 00:49:07.150 --> 00:49:10.960 's a billboard on the railroad right 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.739 away in the city of Denton. The city of Denton does have an 00:49:13.739 --> 00:49:15.440 ordinance that says billboards 00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:19.119 can't be replaced. Clear channels already been compensated 00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:21.119 for their for their loss and we're 00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:25.210 going to include the value of the loss of revenue with the 00:49:25.210 --> 00:49:28.000 UP in their exhibit A. So although we 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:31.190 still have one more parcel to acquire it doesn't affect the 00:49:31.190 --> 00:49:33.519 project because it's on the right away 00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:38.570 for the UP. The relocations will be completed in October 00:49:38.570 --> 00:49:41.519 and so the project is going to be ready 00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:44.670 to let by November. The only thing left after that is to 00:49:44.670 --> 00:49:48.400 get the exhibit A from the Union Pacific 00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:53.670 Railroad and we just received a very lengthy email from 00:49:53.670 --> 00:49:56.880 Sherry Boyd who is the key person working on 00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:00.429 this at Lochner coordinating with the folks at UP and it 00:50:00.429 --> 00:50:03.039 appears that we have some synergy as to 00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.519 getting that exhibit A done probably before the end of the 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.719 year's out which means that if we know 00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:13.960 that we can start to move the project forward for a let 00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.719 date sometime around the first of the year. 00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:25.519 Okay 2499 section five I'll scroll down for that. 00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.599 So this project is supposed to be completed in December 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:39.519 primarily the work is being done up here 00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:49.599 in the north. In this area in the northern section where it 00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:52.480 ties into 35 and then the area where it 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.599 ties into the state school those are the primary areas to 00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:57.679 work in and they need to get completed. 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.760 And they're saying that they'll have that done by December 00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:08.800 also as part of this project we have 00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:12.519 the city has submitted 60 percent plans to text that for 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.920 the signal at Robinson Road which is 00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:21.510 right there which allows the text dot to tell wherever 00:51:21.510 --> 00:51:23.840 where to put the base 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:28.960 foundations for the poles and to order the materials and so 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:30.880 by the time we get the plans 00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:34.940 done we should have the the material we need for the signal 00:51:34.940 --> 00:51:37.440 unless pre-10 wants to change anything 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:41.750 I just said. Yeah I want to add to it we have been in touch 00:51:41.750 --> 00:51:45.440 with the project manager for text on the 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:49.969 on that particular project Mark Wiley and we have confirmed 00:51:49.969 --> 00:51:52.320 locations of the foundation so 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.079 he's going to go ahead and start pouring the foundations. 00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:57.679 60 percent plan they barely had 00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:02.079 any comments so we're almost close to submitting the final 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:04.800 plans to the district office Dallas 00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:09.170 district and hopefully by December we have something in 00:52:09.170 --> 00:52:13.039 place before it opens. So the 00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:16.670 contract's kind of going slower than it was supposed to 00:52:16.670 --> 00:52:19.039 because of some work this has to be done in the 00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:21.800 north but that's to our advantage because we want to get 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:23.840 the signal up and running before they open 00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:28.289 the road so it looks like the schedule's working on in our 00:52:28.289 --> 00:52:30.079 direction on that one. 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:39.019 So this is the I-35E Mayhill 2499 improvement we've already 00:52:39.019 --> 00:52:40.400 got a project manager's name is 00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:44.469 Travis Campbell we do know that the firm that's going to be 00:52:44.469 --> 00:52:46.639 doing the Mayhill bridge which is 00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:50.969 going to be the ultimate bridge and its width underneath 35 00:52:50.969 --> 00:52:53.599 for Mayhill not the ultimate width 00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:56.769 for 35 because we're not doing we're not touching 35 will 00:52:56.769 --> 00:53:00.800 be LTRA so they've got LTRA they're in 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:03.199 the process of contracting with them Texthout will do all 00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:05.440 the advanced planning and the engineering 00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:08.650 it's already environmentally cleared and we're staying 00:53:08.650 --> 00:53:10.719 inside existing right away because we're 00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:15.769 widening the underneath the freeway to widen the bridge for 00:53:15.769 --> 00:53:18.000 Mayhill to get six lanes or better 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.679 underneath it so no right away is going to be required it's 00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:22.400 already environmentally cleared there 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:27.429 will be some utility adjustments I'm certain if they're out 00:53:27.429 --> 00:53:29.840 there and this is a project that 00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:33.050 will probably be funded out of that 10-year funding that 00:53:33.050 --> 00:53:36.320 Texthout allocated to 35E from the 00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:41.769 county line with Dallas county up to 380 so we just got to 00:53:41.769 --> 00:53:42.800 get it done. 00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:48.880 And then this is the look 288 Brinker Mayhill project 00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:53.030 basically the critical I'm just going to jump to the Texth 00:53:53.030 --> 00:53:56.320 out construction report we're working on 00:53:56.320 --> 00:54:01.679 completing the the getting totally done with the water line 00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:04.639 during this next month we're going to 00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:06.820 be working with OHL to get what's called a recovery 00:54:06.820 --> 00:54:09.280 schedule because right now they are saying February 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:13.949 2019 and the contract was originally August of 18 and there 00:54:13.949 --> 00:54:16.079 were some delays at the front of the 00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:21.550 project but we feel that there is an ability for OHL if 00:54:21.550 --> 00:54:25.039 they so choose to do to recover a lot of 00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:27.719 that time frame so we're going to require them to provide 00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:29.440 us a recovery schedule to see what they 00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:32.949 got to do to get back on track with this project and then 00:54:32.949 --> 00:54:35.440 it'll be up to because the you know the 00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:40.489 city put in two million bucks through the developer the 00:54:40.489 --> 00:54:44.000 county put in about 18-19 million of it the 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:48.369 rest was uh state funds and so if the group primarily the 00:54:48.369 --> 00:54:50.880 county and the state decide that 00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:54.949 whatever it takes to expedite that recovery schedule if it 00:54:54.949 --> 00:54:57.280 requires additional funding then 00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:00.159 we'll look at adding additional funding in the project at 00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:02.639 that time but the intent is to get it 00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:09.309 back on on track for the August 2018 completion. 35 North 00:55:09.309 --> 00:55:14.639 this is a segment from 380 uh to the 00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:19.050 candle line again this is a project that TechStat is taking 00:55:19.050 --> 00:55:22.000 the lead on they have HDR doing the work 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:28.179 and they should be completed with the schematic by what did 00:55:28.179 --> 00:55:29.360 I say up here 00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:32.900 the schematic by the end of this year that's right we're 00:55:32.900 --> 00:55:34.559 probably going to have the public 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.960 hearing on this project in the summer of next year with it 00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:40.480 being environmentally cleared after that 00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:43.940 everything else is a guess after the environmental 00:55:43.940 --> 00:55:48.000 clearance an assumption but that that July public 00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:51.400 hearing in December 18 uh environmental clearance is a 00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:53.679 target date that the state wants to hit 00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:58.760 and then the in town project you all know because you all 00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:00.719 drive it all the time 00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:04.550 that it's essentially open and they're basically as the 00:56:04.550 --> 00:56:06.719 report shows they're just doing punch list 00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:11.769 items and tdlr uh inspections to make sure it's ADA 00:56:11.769 --> 00:56:16.400 compliant. Briefly John. In interest of time 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:19.719 there was a question on landscaping associated with the in 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:21.519 town section there's a there's a 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:23.869 memo on the back of your of your report to indicate that we 00:56:23.869 --> 00:56:25.519 're going to start moving forward with the 00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:30.889 trees later this fall fall next summer by working forward 00:56:30.889 --> 00:56:33.840 with a green ribbon project to do the 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:36.710 landscaping so we can take questions later on that just 00:56:36.710 --> 00:56:38.559 wanted to point that out as part of this 00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:41.829 project. Great thank you Mark. Okay so this is a new one to 00:56:41.829 --> 00:56:46.400 your list uh this is the 380 loop 288 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:49.519 intersection improvement and essentially we're going to do 00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:51.119 it in two phases one we're going to 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.280 do an interim improvement and then as we come in with 380 00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:56.639 from 288 out we'll do a more permanent 00:56:56.639 --> 00:57:01.690 improvement and what the interim improvement and so I was 00:57:01.690 --> 00:57:04.320 going to ask to go to an aerial but if 00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.059 we got don't have a lot of time then I'll just stay here 00:57:07.059 --> 00:57:09.119 essentially what the interim improvement 00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:13.199 is going to do is they're going to they're going to take if 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:16.000 you notice up here there's a u-turn 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:18.960 lane with this big island that sticks out and then but you 00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:23.679 'll see that the nose of the nose 00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:29.679 is going to be a little bit more than that. 00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:35.230 For the turn lane north to 288 off of University it stops 00:57:35.230 --> 00:57:39.119 about right there dang it I'm really 00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:43.250 good with the firearm but so uh it stops about there so 00:57:43.250 --> 00:57:46.239 what we're talking about doing is chopping 00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:50.800 off part of the the island here and then the left turn lane 00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:54.000 will be a left the u-turn will be a u-turn 00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:58.530 and a left with the existing left turn lane first lane 00:57:58.530 --> 00:58:01.280 being a through left and then I'll give you a 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:04.550 through and then they'll add pavement back to wherever the 00:58:04.550 --> 00:58:07.599 drainage ditch is on the outside 00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:11.969 so that they all make a free right turn and all that is 00:58:11.969 --> 00:58:14.880 being done probably with asphalt 00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:18.929 just to get it in the project right now and it'll stay 00:58:18.929 --> 00:58:21.039 inside takes that right away that's why 00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.800 they're doing moving it to the inside as opposed to the 00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:26.079 outside but when they come back and we do the 00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:30.159 ultimate project which is another project on the list they 00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:32.079 'll come back and look at this and do it 00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:35.599 in more permanent structures with concrete and whatnot. 00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.800 Council Member Gregory. I am not an engineer 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:43.800 our engineers all know that and tell themselves that every 00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:45.920 time that I start to talk. 00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:51.300 I would imagine that there is maybe not one car out of a 00:58:51.300 --> 00:58:51.840 hundred 00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:55.760 that goes straight through and straight north on that why 00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:59.360 would they they would just stay on the 00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:07.329 the loop the problem seems to be that that that lane that 00:59:07.329 --> 00:59:10.960 that gives that allows you to go straight 00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:14.980 or to turn left isn't quite wide enough especially when a 00:59:14.980 --> 00:59:17.920 big 18 wheeler is trying to turn right 00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:21.920 and and it doesn't provide enough room and as a result my 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:24.400 neighbors you know get their cars 00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:28.699 side swiped by the cars and then they call me and they fuss 00:59:28.699 --> 00:59:30.719 at me as if I designed that 00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:35.869 but it seems like that the solution is to make the right 00:59:35.869 --> 00:59:39.840 turn lane put a little more asphalt on the 00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:44.889 right hand side maybe four or five feet to give those 00:59:44.889 --> 00:59:48.800 vehicles wanting to go right to room. Have 00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:50.469 you been out there and looked at it have you all been out 00:59:50.469 --> 00:59:54.000 there? So I thought I just said that. Oh 00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:58.210 you did? But I'll repeat what you were saying. The whole 00:59:58.210 --> 01:00:01.679 intent is to move everything to the inside 01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:04.690 so that you can not just have a little bit of a right turn 01:00:04.690 --> 01:00:07.280 lane but a full length right turn lane. 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.139 So they're going to fix it? They're pushing everything to 01:00:09.139 --> 01:00:10.559 the inside rather than the outside. 01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:13.349 So you're basically adding another lane to the inside so 01:00:13.349 --> 01:00:14.800 you can give that whole 01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:17.360 last lane to be the free right turn lane. I don't care 01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:19.760 which side it gets. Well the way the reason 01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:21.960 we're doing it this way is this is all tech stock right 01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:24.320 away. Right. We don't have to bother any 01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:26.619 adjacent property owners we don't have to go through any 01:00:26.619 --> 01:00:27.760 this is just a maintenance 01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:32.650 deal and Tina Massey we were at the kickoff meeting for 21 01:00:32.650 --> 01:00:35.119 81 we were talking about this and 01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:38.739 you know she said yeah the only thing is is that right in 01:00:38.739 --> 01:00:39.440 that island 01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:44.059 I'm not supposed to walk away from the mic but right in 01:00:44.059 --> 01:00:45.360 that island 01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:51.360 right there is a controller it looks like for your signal 01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.760 so we either need to like try to miss that 01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:57.199 or the city may have to help us by moving that a little bit 01:00:57.199 --> 01:01:02.400 . I'll add to this I agree with you that 01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:05.789 people do not go through on that center lane so I don't 01:01:05.789 --> 01:01:07.840 know how realistic this is but 01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:12.159 the way that I've seen that road back up it is people going 01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:15.039 to the developments on 380 east 01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:18.250 they're turning right and there's not sufficient space but 01:01:18.250 --> 01:01:20.880 also not sufficient lanes so I don't 01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:23.829 know if if it's even possible to do two right turns or do 01:01:23.829 --> 01:01:26.880 it through right. We'll work with 01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:31.320 the city and the operations guys at TXDOT to do the optimal 01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:34.159 amount of lane balancing but 01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:38.480 we're just saying you've got a left turn you got a u-turn 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:41.039 out there that's minimally used that's 01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:44.639 taken up a lot of space that we can take that and add 01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:47.840 additional lane there which allows us to 01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:51.809 give us the most optimal you know segregation of the of the 01:01:51.809 --> 01:01:54.880 turning movements. Okay. This stays all 01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:58.500 within TXDOT right away so we're on this we should see 01:01:58.500 --> 01:02:00.800 hopefully if we get all this stuff 01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:04.369 worked out soon this should be something we could do fairly 01:02:04.369 --> 01:02:04.960 quickly. 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:17.050 Okay so 380 east this is a project where TXDOT's doing the 01:02:17.050 --> 01:02:18.960 green design in-house and there 01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:24.829 says that they'll have a 30 percent submittal on the green 01:02:24.829 --> 01:02:27.599 section in the spring of '18. 01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:29.900 We're still working they're hiring two consultants I 01:02:29.900 --> 01:02:33.360 checked today to see who they were they haven't 01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:35.780 given me the answer yet but they're working with two 01:02:35.780 --> 01:02:39.280 consultants to do the PS&E on 380 in the blue 01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:44.500 section. There are 89 parcels to acquire in the blue and 25 01:02:44.500 --> 01:02:47.760 parcels to acquire in the green and 01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:52.809 they're looking at having a May 2021 let date for this 01:02:52.809 --> 01:02:53.440 project. 01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:03.230 Luke 288 west so this is a project where we are about ready 01:03:03.230 --> 01:03:06.000 to submit the 30 percent schematic. 01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:10.570 We have some conformity issues we have to deal with which 01:03:10.570 --> 01:03:13.599 may delay the time frame up here of 01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:16.880 the environmental clearance. It's already been stuck in 01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:19.199 there the reason we have an EA out of 01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:23.039 December 2020 when we've got the 30 plans done and we're 01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:25.440 expecting to have the schematic approved by 01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:30.150 next year is because right now this project is not in the 01:03:30.150 --> 01:03:34.159 mobility plan in the proper year so we've 01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:38.150 got to update the mobility plan to move 288 into a 01:03:38.150 --> 01:03:42.159 environmental clearance date and then we'll move 01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:46.309 the environmental date to like 2018-2019 so it's just a 01:03:46.309 --> 01:03:48.480 paper chase. I know it didn't make any 01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:51.639 sense what I just said but it's all regulatory stuff that 01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:53.679 we have to follow it doesn't make any 01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:59.110 sense to me but we're closer than the schedule would allow 01:03:59.110 --> 01:04:02.800 is all I'm saying. All right 1515 is 01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:07.059 affirmed we got LTRA the county's got that we have had 01:04:07.059 --> 01:04:10.559 comments both from TechStack and responses 01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:14.969 back from LTRA and we anticipate having John sorry Council 01:04:14.969 --> 01:04:17.599 man Briggs. So when you said mobility plan 01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:21.460 do you mean whose mobility plan? Boom the uh Regents the 01:04:21.460 --> 01:04:24.880 mobility 2040. So right now they're 01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:29.909 updating the mobility 2040 to 2045 and so we're trying to 01:04:29.909 --> 01:04:32.800 get the loop 288 and 35w a couple of 01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:36.079 things in Denton county that are in the wrong year 01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:40.480 corrected in this update but when I'm I was saying 01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:43.940 the mobility plan I mean the Regents mobility 2040. Just 01:04:43.940 --> 01:04:46.480 double checking because we have one too. 01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:50.610 Yes and folks out there that are listening they're probably 01:04:50.610 --> 01:04:52.559 as usual confused when I speak. 01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:57.800 So again LTRA we expect to have them on contract I'm going 01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:00.400 to say by the end of the month and I'll 01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:04.280 just have to beat my staff to make sure it happens and then 01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:07.920 1830 this is the uh this is the project 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:11.889 where they're doing the shoulder and the bridge replacement 01:05:11.889 --> 01:05:15.599 and the TechStack report is here and 01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:19.719 it looks like they're just continuing to work on the uh the 01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:23.840 uh embankments and the you know flex 01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:26.480 base and all that so I haven't had any complaints on this 01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:28.480 project I have had complaints from the 01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:32.710 from folks that are not interested in the state's desire to 01:05:32.710 --> 01:05:36.320 widen it to four lanes but 01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:41.010 I'll have the chance at the public meetings to have a 01:05:41.010 --> 01:05:45.119 comment on it. I think that's all I have. 01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:49.239 Hope I got another under the window. Does anybody have 01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:51.599 questions for John Polster? 01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:54.449 It's very nerve-wracking. Okay thank you John. He did great 01:05:54.449 --> 01:05:54.719 . 01:05:59.920 --> 01:06:00.420 Okay we are on item E now. Receiver report and hold a 01:06:00.420 --> 01:06:05.920 discussion regarding mobility improvements. 01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:08.869 Committee members uh Pre-Tam is going to give a short 01:06:08.869 --> 01:06:10.960 presentation but just to give you a heads up 01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:16.550 at your uh at your August 26th retreat council retreat you 01:06:16.550 --> 01:06:19.119 had requested uh gave staff direction 01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:22.119 to look at some short-term improvements that would enhance 01:06:22.119 --> 01:06:23.679 the mobility of our community 01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:26.010 and so these are some of the things that staff has been 01:06:26.010 --> 01:06:27.679 looking at and so we're vetting those 01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:31.059 projects and hope to bring these to you to give you a just 01:06:31.059 --> 01:06:32.800 inform you and then bring it to the 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:38.989 full council at a future work session. All right given the 01:06:38.989 --> 01:06:41.760 time um I have a few slides I can go 01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:46.800 through um but let's start with the actual list and this is 01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:50.480 a list of intersections or and or 01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:54.949 street segments and and or studies different things that 01:06:54.949 --> 01:06:57.360 are identified here and I'll talk 01:06:57.360 --> 01:07:00.710 a little bit about what service areas means and why we are 01:07:00.710 --> 01:07:02.960 going this route and we've arranged 01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:06.940 it this way but we've we're looking at about 22 things here 01:07:06.940 --> 01:07:08.559 if you look down the list. 01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:13.050 Some of them are design projects which include widening of 01:07:13.050 --> 01:07:16.079 streets some of them are short-term 01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:19.650 adding turn lanes right turn lane left turn lane just to 01:07:19.650 --> 01:07:22.320 improve capacity and get some immediate 01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:25.960 relief. Some of these projects are around hundred thousand 01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:28.239 hundred and fifty thousand dollar projects 01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:31.460 which are quick fixes and when we started looking at all 01:07:31.460 --> 01:07:33.440 these and looking at the amounts 01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:36.690 we started thinking of how we need to fund it and that's 01:07:36.690 --> 01:07:38.800 where these service areas came in. 01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.480 We started looking at roadway impact fee and these are the 01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:45.440 different service areas A B C D E 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:49.739 five service areas and we started categorizing what's 01:07:49.739 --> 01:07:52.719 needed in each of these service areas 01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:56.440 immediately other than what are already is going on through 01:07:56.440 --> 01:07:58.559 the textile projects of widening all 01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:03.929 these larger highways within the city. So under the first 01:08:03.929 --> 01:08:06.719 area if you look at the area A there's 01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:10.380 nothing out there barely any development going on but we do 01:08:10.380 --> 01:08:12.639 have under mobility plan we do have 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:17.119 some you know lines there those are primary and secondary 01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:20.560 highways they've looked at. We are 01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:24.199 looking at a big picture in the mobility plan for the whole 01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:27.119 entire city but we didn't really focus on 01:08:27.119 --> 01:08:30.079 specifically this area so we're planning on doing is 01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:32.560 conducting a circulation study that looks at 01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:37.130 how would you join some of these arterials and secondaries 01:08:37.130 --> 01:08:38.640 you know how would you put in 01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.869 collectors what kind of access points and start better 01:08:41.869 --> 01:08:44.319 defining so when developers come in they 01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:46.880 don't rule or they don't tell us what they're going to put 01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:48.479 in or how they're going to connect 01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:51.489 but we already have a plan to go and say this is how you 01:08:51.489 --> 01:08:54.479 can address it and this is how we can 01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:58.000 better develop our infrastructure and circulation. So that 01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:01.119 's the first service area and circulation 01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:03.850 study is something that we immediately need it's about 40 01:09:03.850 --> 01:09:05.760 000 dollars that we'll need there. 01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:10.550 The second area is area B it's the area to the south it's 01:09:10.550 --> 01:09:12.720 developing pretty fast and 01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:17.720 if you look at the first improvement it's the country club 01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:20.239 road and Ryan everyone knows there 01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:22.960 are about three intersections on country club the hickory 01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:26.399 creek is number two and then the top most 01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:31.159 which is Hobson lane right there under that B. Hobson lane 01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:33.600 at country club is going to get 01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:38.039 modified it's going to improve as part of 377 widening 01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:40.960 project which is soon going under 01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:44.399 construction I think John mentioned some something about it 01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:47.279 . Council member Briggs just can you 01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:50.939 remind me the impact fees they're collected they have to be 01:09:50.939 --> 01:09:53.039 used within that certain area 01:09:53.039 --> 01:09:55.470 is that correct so that's what we're talking about here 01:09:55.470 --> 01:09:57.520 dividing them up that means those fees were 01:09:57.520 --> 01:10:00.739 collected and they need to be spent in that area. Correct 01:10:00.739 --> 01:10:02.960 and there's a specific amount within the 01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:06.079 area collected and that only goes to improvement stores 01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:08.880 that's why we are going based on the areas 01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:11.720 of service so we've identified each of these improvements 01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:12.880 within service areas. 01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:18.720 All right and then if you look at the improvements they're 01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:22.880 about 100 150 000 dollars just to turn 01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:27.930 lanes on hickory creek and ryan road it will definitely 01:10:27.930 --> 01:10:30.479 improve circulation and get the left 01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:33.109 turners out of the lane and you know make a better 01:10:33.109 --> 01:10:37.439 functioning intersection. The other two the number 01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:40.770 three and four are design projects these are sections that 01:10:40.770 --> 01:10:43.680 are missing we need to design them 01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:50.520 first widening Robinson road between 2181 and just east of 01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:53.760 it where the development starts it's 01:10:54.880 --> 01:11:00.640 it's this area that's marked here this area and so between 01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:04.479 2499 and 2181 is where we don't have a 01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:07.840 widened Robinson road so we need to design it first and 01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:10.159 then we'll move forward with the 01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:13.960 construction part and later on but the second one is also 01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:16.479 designed the next one is hickory creek 01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:20.329 road we have a small section that connects to 2499 that's 01:11:20.329 --> 01:11:22.000 not designed it's not widened 01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:25.119 widening is not designed at this point council member cragg 01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:28.960 ie the funding for 01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:34.859 Robinson road and one for hickory creek would it would that 01:11:34.859 --> 01:11:37.039 be in a bond election 01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:40.390 and not to to happen or has it already been included in a 01:11:40.390 --> 01:11:41.680 previous one election 01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:46.619 the funding has not been included in the okay no and you 01:11:46.619 --> 01:11:48.479 don't anticipate getting enough funding 01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:51.840 from the road impact fees to do a project of that nature no 01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:54.000 so that's why we're more focused on 01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:56.640 getting the design completed so when we go for bond 01:11:56.640 --> 01:11:59.520 election we have a better idea of what's needed 01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:02.479 we have better estimates and everything is we're lined we 01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:04.560 're lining ourselves to get the money all 01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:08.899 right thank you um the next the last one is the uh signal 01:12:08.899 --> 01:12:12.880 ization at hickory creek and 2499 at some 01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:16.569 point once it's widened even when once it's open we might 01:12:16.569 --> 01:12:19.359 run into some higher volumes just because 01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:22.960 there's a lot of neighborhoods that access this part of h 01:12:22.960 --> 01:12:25.359 ickory creek they can directly connect 01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:29.090 to 2499 which is going to be a pretty much a regional 01:12:29.090 --> 01:12:31.760 connector north and south once it opens 01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:35.600 so we might have to look at this in a near future and that 01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:38.239 's why that was identified there are other 01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:42.810 improvements along 2181 part of the uh text art project 377 01:12:42.810 --> 01:12:45.520 part of text art project so a bunch of 01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:48.659 the near-term improvements or short-term improvements will 01:12:48.659 --> 01:12:51.520 be addressed with these two major projects 01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:55.319 but the we're also looking at some other intersection 01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:57.520 improvements that are needed 01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:01.489 next service areas area c um the first one is carolyn sh 01:13:01.489 --> 01:13:03.840 erman there's a lot of people that go 01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:07.850 northbound on carolyn want to go towards sherman i think 01:13:07.850 --> 01:13:11.199 the intersection is right here it's right 01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:14.850 barely in the area but majority of the traffic comes in and 01:13:14.850 --> 01:13:16.960 wants to take sherman to go north 01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:20.930 and that's a movement that needs to be fixed and we have a 01:13:20.930 --> 01:13:24.479 plan that we think might work but better 01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:27.989 signal and better capacity for left and right turn 01:13:27.989 --> 01:13:32.319 movements and that would take about 425 000 01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:37.369 dollars to fix that intersection the next one is locust elm 01:13:37.369 --> 01:13:40.640 and 77 this is actually a design and 01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:45.689 analysis the intersection of where locust elm and 77 meet 01:13:45.689 --> 01:13:47.920 it's a it's a kind of a weird 01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:53.199 intersection where one way's elm begins a one way and then 01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:56.479 locust kind of ends in one way we're 01:13:56.479 --> 01:14:00.060 looking at a better design we will analyze it and design it 01:14:00.060 --> 01:14:03.359 so that traffic flows smoothly then 01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:07.729 windsor i'm sorry hercules and locust is another section 01:14:07.729 --> 01:14:10.880 this part of hercules doesn't exist but 01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:14.260 as part of recent development projects in that area it's 01:14:14.260 --> 01:14:17.439 going to be built in so the intersection 01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:21.590 of locust and hercules is definitely we need to add turn 01:14:21.590 --> 01:14:24.239 lanes left turns both directions 01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:28.399 do you have a council member uh regarding hercules and loc 01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:31.920 ust well over a year ago a 01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:35.789 resident that lives in the neighborhood uh where the 01:14:35.789 --> 01:14:39.199 western part of hercules is came to us 01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:44.390 um what's it called north point uh just talking about the 01:14:44.390 --> 01:14:47.039 fact that there is only one way in and 01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:50.550 out and we were told that that street was going to be 01:14:50.550 --> 01:14:53.520 connected and my understanding is there's no 01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:59.369 agreement yet on getting that done can can you give us some 01:14:59.369 --> 01:15:02.079 kind of timeline or or 01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:05.859 and and does the city own the right-of-way for that for 01:15:05.859 --> 01:15:08.720 that uh street or what's the story there the 01:15:08.720 --> 01:15:12.930 story is um we are currently talking to the developer that 01:15:12.930 --> 01:15:15.119 has come up with a submitted a 01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:20.539 plan for the south side of hercules but just west of locust 01:15:20.539 --> 01:15:24.479 so the whole area north of mckinney i can 01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:28.640 pull in a second 01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:55.189 side note i really love the pretend just use bing to get to 01:15:55.189 --> 01:15:56.159 google maps 01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:07.279 and it went away i guess it's going to give us some trouble 01:16:07.279 --> 01:16:11.600 so uh we're talking about this parcel 01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:16.189 this parcel just came in there in the uh planning process 01:16:16.189 --> 01:16:18.239 we've requested a traffic analysis and 01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:21.670 they're working through that but the developer also has 01:16:21.670 --> 01:16:24.079 interest in developing this property 01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:28.880 and there is another parcel here so they're talking about 01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:30.560 coming in as a first phase and 01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:35.609 then second and third and as part of these two this entire 01:16:35.609 --> 01:16:38.640 roadway will be designed and built 01:16:39.199 --> 01:16:42.060 by single entity of course the participation will be 01:16:42.060 --> 01:16:44.880 figured out as far as you know how much developer 01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:48.310 pays in depending on their roadway impact fees and what 01:16:48.310 --> 01:16:50.880 kind of credits they get is part of that but 01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:54.100 uh developer has agreed to design and construct this link 01:16:54.100 --> 01:16:56.239 would that be considered a perimeter 01:16:56.239 --> 01:17:00.119 street it is a perimeter street and from what i remember in 01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:02.640 our discussions perimeter streets 01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:06.829 are the developer could get credit for those in as far as 01:17:06.829 --> 01:17:10.479 the road impact fee uh that's what 01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:16.670 is being talked about okay so i'm jumping again sorry so um 01:17:16.670 --> 01:17:20.159 what is going to happen is the 01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:23.689 development is going to connect into this street as well as 01:17:23.689 --> 01:17:25.840 doors so both these are going to go 01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:30.000 into this whole new subdivision i think there are about 180 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.079 houses in this first lot and then 01:17:32.720 --> 01:17:36.489 further more houses down here and a connection here so they 01:17:36.489 --> 01:17:39.039 are currently working on the traffic 01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:41.960 impact studies and once we get that but this intersection 01:17:41.960 --> 01:17:43.760 if you look at it doesn't have any 01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:47.479 turn lanes going left turn so that needs to be improved uh 01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:49.760 we've already identified we'll work 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:52.159 if the traffic study comes back and requires that we'll 01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:54.239 work with the developer to put that in 01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:56.989 if it doesn't then we definitely need to identify funds on 01:17:56.989 --> 01:17:58.960 our end too and then one more on that 01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:03.520 with connecting that when hercules gets connected that's 01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:06.079 going to put an awful lot more uh 01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:09.359 residential traffic going out on north locust street which 01:18:09.359 --> 01:18:12.399 is a state facility right correct 01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:15.439 and pollsters left 01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:22.079 what uh is is that in the queue for any kind of uh 01:18:22.079 --> 01:18:26.079 addressing uh the the width in order to handle 01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:30.649 the the future traffic because there's a development going 01:18:30.649 --> 01:18:34.640 on north of the uh loop that will probably 01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:38.800 impact that also correct so part of their tia is going to 01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:41.600 look at intersection here because 01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:43.949 people are going to cut through and there will be a signal 01:18:43.949 --> 01:18:45.760 ized intersection and negotiate has been 01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:49.880 currently constructed it will look at this connection this 01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:52.000 connection and then this whole 01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:55.609 interchange so uh that traffic impact study will tell us 01:18:55.609 --> 01:18:58.800 how much traffic is being diverted and 01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:02.239 what kind of impacts are you going to look at and once the 01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:04.399 development goes in but the development 01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:09.779 that's that's north of loop 288 and directly west of the 01:19:09.779 --> 01:19:13.199 the gonzalez school 01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:18.529 has is is currently going in and right now they're all 01:19:18.529 --> 01:19:20.720 going off onto um 01:19:23.119 --> 01:19:29.960 are they going to connect into 2164 this is the parcel that 01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:31.760 is being developed they're currently 01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:36.289 uh connecting off of stewart there's no direct connection 01:19:36.289 --> 01:19:38.000 on this side okay 01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:43.270 i'm not aware of future phases but at this point i know 01:19:43.270 --> 01:19:45.520 that this is the only parcel that was 01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:48.640 developed and it's in two phases they just completed the 01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:51.039 first phase steward doesn't go all the way 01:19:51.039 --> 01:19:56.720 through okay yes uh on a on a side note yes taut just 01:19:56.720 --> 01:20:01.119 reminded me that we are talking to 01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:07.369 um cog about this whole area and a connection or even uh 01:20:07.369 --> 01:20:11.119 talking about outer loop cog was 01:20:11.119 --> 01:20:15.149 involved in the outer loop study and alternatives and one 01:20:15.149 --> 01:20:17.840 of the alternatives was to bring in um 01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:22.289 down this path down 428 and then used part of 288 and 01:20:22.289 --> 01:20:25.439 connect to 35 that would be part of their 01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:29.609 outer loop for the entire dfw region and they're looking at 01:20:29.609 --> 01:20:32.319 options there are different alignments 01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:35.130 that would connect to 35 but they're looking we're also 01:20:35.130 --> 01:20:38.640 looking at this alternative as an outer loop 01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:43.590 so okay i'm sorry i'm getting too depth so going back to 01:20:43.590 --> 01:20:47.119 the presentation we're on air let me just 01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:53.310 wrap it up in service area d we have uh sherwin and loop 28 01:20:53.310 --> 01:20:56.960 8 one of the things there is the lanes 01:20:56.960 --> 01:20:59.850 are misaligned they're not definitely aligned with each 01:20:59.850 --> 01:21:02.079 other they the through lanes left turn lanes 01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:04.899 right turn lanes don't align what we are going to do is add 01:21:04.899 --> 01:21:06.960 some asphalt to widen it a little bit 01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:10.979 and make sure that they align long and steward it comes in 01:21:10.979 --> 01:21:13.039 as a weird angle i think long goes 01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:15.569 south a little bit and connects us to work we need to 01:21:15.569 --> 01:21:17.600 change that angle because we're getting 01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:21.560 complaints about the side distance so that's one of the 01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:23.920 quick fixes we need to realign it 01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:27.430 university noddingham and old north i think council member 01:21:27.430 --> 01:21:29.119 brings is very aware of those 01:21:29.119 --> 01:21:32.239 left turn missings and they're shared and all that so we've 01:21:32.239 --> 01:21:34.239 identified that we need to fix those 01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:38.119 in the short term so as the funding becomes available you 01:21:38.119 --> 01:21:40.560 know start addressing these with 01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:44.109 the design and construction and then loop 288 and 01:21:44.109 --> 01:21:46.800 university i think uh texas is already working on 01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:53.180 that part so we'll probably drop this one eventually next 01:21:53.180 --> 01:21:57.039 one is the last area is area e and this is 01:21:57.039 --> 01:22:02.090 where most of the city is completely developed and um we're 01:22:02.090 --> 01:22:04.560 looking at major intersections that 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:08.399 require upgrade but we identify what's the interim quick 01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:11.199 fixes so for example bell and mckinney we're 01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:15.699 talking about adding a northbound right turn lane uh along 01:22:15.699 --> 01:22:18.239 bell that would help us uh address some 01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:21.590 of it our main need is north and south left turn lanes but 01:22:21.590 --> 01:22:23.840 that's going to take a whole lot more 01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:30.300 money not 120k loop 288 and colorado is extending the left 01:22:30.300 --> 01:22:33.840 turn from colorado onto the loop 01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:38.760 if you're coming from the side of the mall golden triangle 01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:41.760 mall and then you're hitting the loop 01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:44.399 that left turn extends all the way into the through lanes 01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:47.840 so quickly within 200 000 we can 01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:51.619 extend dual left turns all the way back if we can we're 01:22:51.619 --> 01:22:54.560 trying and we'll find that out but if we can 01:22:54.560 --> 01:22:57.899 close the access to the mall that's something that would 01:22:57.899 --> 01:23:01.039 really help that intersection that would be 01:23:01.039 --> 01:23:05.000 part of this intersection mckinney woodrow is another one 01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:07.439 putting in um adding right turn lane 01:23:07.439 --> 01:23:13.630 there um loop 288 and mckinney uh there are some turn lane 01:23:13.630 --> 01:23:15.520 additions i think we're adding a 01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:19.170 northbound right turn lane uh similar turn lane additions 01:23:19.170 --> 01:23:21.920 at t's lee and 77 and lake we've shady 01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:26.970 shores so that's that so this is the same table and any 01:23:26.970 --> 01:23:29.920 questions discussion councilman so you 01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:34.060 talked about the road impact fees as a way of paying for 01:23:34.060 --> 01:23:36.880 this is there an amount of money already 01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:40.979 that you are i mean are these prioritized um they were 01:23:40.979 --> 01:23:43.920 listed one two three does that mean that 01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:48.970 once the is that the priority of the projects or so uh they 01:23:48.970 --> 01:23:52.000 were listed in that order but um 01:23:53.600 --> 01:23:58.649 oops currently there is no uh we don't have an associated 01:23:58.649 --> 01:24:01.199 priority for these um as far as when 01:24:01.199 --> 01:24:03.710 the money comes in within the within each service areas 01:24:03.710 --> 01:24:05.600 they are kind of prioritized and we have 01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:11.250 about 100 and anywhere between 100 000 and 150 000 in some 01:24:11.250 --> 01:24:13.439 of these service areas the areas that 01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:16.090 see larger developments such as area b which is on the 01:24:16.090 --> 01:24:18.640 south side it's collecting more money or some 01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:20.939 of the other areas that are collecting more money so they 01:24:20.939 --> 01:24:22.640 some of the areas are getting more money 01:24:23.199 --> 01:24:26.479 and we can start using that towards putting in turn lanes 01:24:26.479 --> 01:24:29.600 because i do know that in um our area 01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:34.880 there's three new housing developments coming in correct so 01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:38.000 okay and part of it is once the they 01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:41.359 come in they don't immediately put in money by the time 01:24:41.359 --> 01:24:44.159 they put in money and they're realized 01:24:44.159 --> 01:24:47.670 it takes a while so it probably take a few at least a few 01:24:47.670 --> 01:24:49.760 months to get to the money to be 01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:53.100 deposited with the city and so will it be this committee 01:24:53.100 --> 01:24:54.880 that gets an update on 01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:58.789 these projects as they go and get funded okay thank you if 01:24:58.789 --> 01:25:01.359 i may one of the things that we're 01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:04.659 doing as staff is we're working with the city manager um 01:25:04.659 --> 01:25:07.039 the capital improvements transportation 01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:11.119 um wet water wastewater we're going through all of our cip 01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:14.560 and scouring through those projects 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:18.569 making sure a where are we on a schedule knowing that some 01:25:18.569 --> 01:25:21.279 projects are behind schedule we also 01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:24.399 realize that some of our funding is getting eroded by 01:25:24.399 --> 01:25:27.520 inflation over the last number of years so 01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:30.250 we're going through those projects making sure that that 01:25:30.250 --> 01:25:32.479 those things are appropriately prioritized 01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:34.869 and those that are underfunded that we try to find the 01:25:34.869 --> 01:25:36.720 appropriate funding whether it's to the 01:25:36.720 --> 01:25:39.229 council of governments whether it's prioritizing old 01:25:39.229 --> 01:25:41.119 projects that have been on the list that 01:25:41.119 --> 01:25:44.470 that may need to be the funding may need to be shifted to 01:25:44.470 --> 01:25:46.560 create capacity for those projects 01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:49.270 that need to be need to be started and completed in the 01:25:49.270 --> 01:25:52.079 near in the near term so we're working 01:25:52.079 --> 01:25:54.409 through these these were just identified with the last few 01:25:54.409 --> 01:25:56.159 weeks and so we're working through these 01:25:56.159 --> 01:25:58.180 and when we're visiting with the city manager along with 01:25:58.180 --> 01:25:59.840 the finance department to see what 01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:04.250 monies are available to get these things across the finish 01:26:04.250 --> 01:26:06.479 line it was a great list thank you 01:26:06.479 --> 01:26:12.260 thank you okay thank you pre-dem next item is item f staff 01:26:12.260 --> 01:26:16.079 reports number one is the dcta october 01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:20.670 cat meeting madam chair on the next uh two or three here i 01:26:20.670 --> 01:26:23.520 'll if there's any specific questions 01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:26.039 to those otherwise i can move uh directly on the number 01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:28.079 four understanding our time constraints 01:26:28.079 --> 01:26:31.899 are there any questions about one two or three yes i i have 01:26:31.899 --> 01:26:34.079 a comment about bike share 01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:40.170 is that an um okay so on the bike share um i know that 01:26:40.170 --> 01:26:43.279 staff recommended we don't do anything 01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:48.539 but i would like to ask this committee to do something at 01:26:48.539 --> 01:26:51.039 this point see dallas has three 01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:53.699 of the companies and if you can imagine three different 01:26:53.699 --> 01:26:55.760 companies and are with bikes everywhere 01:26:55.760 --> 01:27:00.229 i mean i think that um i i know i've i've received some 01:27:00.229 --> 01:27:02.800 complaints about the bikes being in right of 01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:09.100 way and um the police as well and so um i i want to say i 01:27:09.100 --> 01:27:12.319 am a fan of them i think they're great 01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:15.560 for our city i guess i should have prefaced that um but i i 01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:17.920 have also heard them referred to as 01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:23.029 expensive litter um when they're not appropriately placed 01:27:23.029 --> 01:27:26.640 and so um we just may need to address um 01:27:26.640 --> 01:27:30.020 address some rules or uh timing of the bike placements 01:27:30.020 --> 01:27:32.159 there's been one on a clear creek 01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:35.840 for several weeks i mean you know that's a natural area and 01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:39.199 that's just kind of not nice to look at 01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:42.949 so right well and you know that's how a bike a dockless 01:27:42.949 --> 01:27:45.279 bike share works you know they can 01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:48.409 return the bike wherever they're they're ride in so 01:27:48.409 --> 01:27:51.119 possibly somebody picked them up out of clear 01:27:51.119 --> 01:27:54.130 creek um and when i talked to v bikes they said they do re 01:27:54.130 --> 01:27:56.880 balance the bikes um two to three times 01:27:56.880 --> 01:28:00.729 a day usually in the morning or in the evening to avoid 01:28:00.729 --> 01:28:03.520 pedestrians but definitely um what 01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:06.640 dallas is working towards is creating some sort of permit 01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:08.640 process for them similar to what seattle 01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:12.020 has been doing because seattle has this dockless bike share 01:28:12.020 --> 01:28:14.560 as well and that was their recommendation 01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:16.989 when i talked to them last week that they were working 01:28:16.989 --> 01:28:18.800 towards a permit program that would 01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:22.130 include a few rules about making sure people aren't parking 01:28:22.130 --> 01:28:23.920 them on the sidewalks that each 01:28:23.920 --> 01:28:27.789 business because they're private businesses that each of 01:28:27.789 --> 01:28:30.399 them would have sort of flyers or handouts 01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:32.729 that they would give to people who are using those bike 01:28:32.729 --> 01:28:34.880 shares right yeah because we don't let food 01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:38.000 trucks park on the sidewalks right yeah so get currently in 01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:39.760 dallas so letting all three of them 01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:43.960 operate um just right now while the city themselves works 01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:46.640 on sort of some sort of permit process 01:28:46.640 --> 01:28:49.140 i'm calling it sort of which is a gentleman's agreement 01:28:49.140 --> 01:28:50.479 right now that this will be in the 01:28:50.479 --> 01:28:53.439 works it would be my hope that we try to do something 01:28:53.439 --> 01:28:55.680 similar follow through and we get ahead 01:28:55.680 --> 01:29:00.319 of it instead of you know trying to to catch up right i don 01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:02.880 't know if how if anybody else 01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:05.520 feels on that but that's just how i feel 01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:12.640 head nodding um so i guess the the direction that you're 01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:15.760 going in is to have a formalized 01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:20.930 process as opposed to well just some rules or permitting 01:29:20.930 --> 01:29:23.840 some something okay yeah that's great 01:29:23.840 --> 01:29:26.350 yeah because feedbacks they just showed up um but we met 01:29:26.350 --> 01:29:28.319 with spin a couple weeks ago and they're 01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:31.020 asking permission before they come right so i told them i 01:29:31.020 --> 01:29:32.880 was meeting with you guys all today and 01:29:32.880 --> 01:29:36.750 then i would have some more feedback for him so right and i 01:29:36.750 --> 01:29:39.039 think the more we have the better but 01:29:39.039 --> 01:29:41.819 i i would like to have some kind of structure in place so 01:29:41.819 --> 01:29:44.479 they're just not everywhere like an 01:29:44.479 --> 01:29:47.369 amount of bikes per i don't know if that's you can regulate 01:29:47.369 --> 01:29:50.960 per company or i think seattle does okay 01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:54.079 um have you spoken with the legal department about 01:29:54.079 --> 01:29:57.520 potential ordinances or yes i spoke to our legal 01:29:57.520 --> 01:30:00.279 department last week said there's no need for us to sign 01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:02.319 any agreement that they themselves are 01:30:02.319 --> 01:30:06.119 submitting to us but there is a code i don't remember if it 01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:08.079 was texas code or our code here 01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:11.510 that we are allowed to regulate anybody in the public right 01:30:11.510 --> 01:30:13.359 of way so if there was a petty cab 01:30:13.359 --> 01:30:16.479 or anything else we are allowed to regulate that and uh so 01:30:16.479 --> 01:30:18.479 he recommended we probably at some point 01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:21.789 would like to do a permit process that's what legal 01:30:21.789 --> 01:30:24.560 recommended yes so do the bikes i haven't 01:30:24.560 --> 01:30:28.880 looked that closely to see do they have a toll-free number 01:30:28.880 --> 01:30:31.439 i don't know if they have a number there is a 01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:34.399 number or you can when i asked the bikes they said anybody 01:30:34.399 --> 01:30:36.239 can contact them through their social 01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:40.329 media page so their twitter facebook okay but if they have 01:30:40.329 --> 01:30:42.880 or there's a 65 year old person 01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:48.779 you have to snapchat that is uh and sees a bicycle laying 01:30:48.779 --> 01:30:50.399 out there and they want to call 01:30:50.960 --> 01:30:53.390 the there is a number yes there is a phone number i don't 01:30:53.390 --> 01:30:55.600 know if it's on the bike call them and say 01:30:56.960 --> 01:31:00.079 well if it's not on the bike i'm not gonna right i haven't 01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:02.560 looked that closely at the bikes either 01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:06.000 i would think that that that's what we would want to 01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:10.800 require uh that that if if somebody has a bike 01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:13.500 that's that's in their yard or in their neighborhood and 01:31:13.500 --> 01:31:15.600 they don't want it right there in their yard 01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:20.649 right or or that they have an easy way without having to 01:31:20.649 --> 01:31:22.560 navigate um the interweb 01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:27.390 to to to get somebody to to when they're rebalancing 01:31:27.390 --> 01:31:30.880 bicycles to right so maybe if i 01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:33.720 can kind of synthesize what we're talking about i think 01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:35.840 what we would like to see is some options 01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:39.439 for regulation from our legal department maybe looking at 01:31:39.439 --> 01:31:41.520 what we've done and what has been done 01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:45.850 in other places um legal status report or work session you 01:31:45.850 --> 01:31:48.560 're gonna send it up to the main council 01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:52.159 yeah i think maybe let's have a work session item on it 01:31:52.159 --> 01:31:55.920 yeah as far as legal options for 01:31:55.920 --> 01:32:00.060 regulating the bikes okay uh go ahead and to maybe see if 01:32:00.060 --> 01:32:02.079 there are other people that have 01:32:02.079 --> 01:32:05.250 heard other concerns that they want to be considered in any 01:32:05.250 --> 01:32:07.439 kind of a permitting process i think we're 01:32:07.439 --> 01:32:11.329 gonna have more and more of the bike shares and just kind 01:32:11.329 --> 01:32:13.520 of maybe everything shares so 01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:16.310 maybe we have to just think about how sharing economy 01:32:16.310 --> 01:32:17.600 affects our right away 01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:24.329 yes sharing is caring yeah okay um any other questions on 01:32:24.329 --> 01:32:27.039 numbers one two or three on item f 01:32:28.479 --> 01:32:31.229 if not then i think mark you can go ahead to the new new 01:32:31.229 --> 01:32:34.159 business matrix great i'm going to take 01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:41.869 items five six eight uh and nine just hit those and then um 01:32:41.869 --> 01:32:44.079 we'll come back and allow pre-tem and 01:32:44.079 --> 01:32:46.680 todd estes to cover some of the other items okay you have 01:32:46.680 --> 01:32:48.479 about 30 seconds i'm joking 01:32:50.399 --> 01:32:53.050 five minutes is what you have item item five which is the h 01:32:53.050 --> 01:32:55.680 ickory street uh streetscape 01:32:55.680 --> 01:32:59.050 enhancements and sidewalks we'll uh planning to bring a 01:32:59.050 --> 01:33:02.399 report back in um in november on that 01:33:02.399 --> 01:33:06.189 with some costs etc uh item six which is the uh safe routes 01:33:06.189 --> 01:33:08.640 to school we'll have a an update 01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:12.529 in november on the ranking uh project of those projects uh 01:33:12.529 --> 01:33:14.560 item eight which is the update on 01:33:14.560 --> 01:33:17.119 the green ribbon program mediums on university drive we 01:33:17.119 --> 01:33:20.640 included a uh staff report in in the 01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:23.060 backup today i'll go ahead and remove that one off the list 01:33:23.060 --> 01:33:24.560 if that's a that's appropriate at 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:27.949 this point in time likewise item number nine is now on the 01:33:27.949 --> 01:33:30.000 list on your own system report which 01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:34.189 is the northbound loop 288 eastbound uh right hand turn 01:33:34.189 --> 01:33:37.119 lane so uh with that i'll turn it over to 01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:40.630 pre-tem uh to begin discussion on item seven unless there's 01:33:40.630 --> 01:33:42.319 uh any questions quick question 01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:45.460 about the safe routes to school is that for the future 01:33:45.460 --> 01:33:47.680 application or for current projects 01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:52.760 i believe perhaps the question last time was about finding 01:33:52.760 --> 01:33:55.039 projects that we could rank from the safe 01:33:55.039 --> 01:33:58.289 routes to school plan that we have now um if that's what 01:33:58.289 --> 01:34:00.319 you're looking for i can go through the 01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:03.840 safe routes to school plan that we have none of them have 01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:06.800 cost estimates the the plan didn't have 01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:09.920 cost estimates so if you want specifically cost estimates 01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:11.600 for any top three of our safe routes 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:14.500 to school or i can i can include all the safe routes to 01:34:14.500 --> 01:34:17.279 school projects in our sidewalk list 01:34:17.279 --> 01:34:20.979 if you think that would be a better solution maybe one way 01:34:20.979 --> 01:34:23.199 to do it i'm just i don't know what the 01:34:23.199 --> 01:34:26.899 best way to do it is but perhaps if we on our sidewalk list 01:34:26.899 --> 01:34:28.800 we demarcate which ones are 01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:31.439 side safe routes to school eligible i don't know if that's 01:34:31.439 --> 01:34:33.199 something that we're already doing 01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:38.029 yeah i can easily make a note somewhere that a star an a 01:34:38.029 --> 01:34:40.239 sterisk this one is a safe routes to 01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:45.289 school project i think that's probably what we would need 01:34:45.289 --> 01:34:47.840 okay great okay pre-tem again okay 01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:51.859 here we go number item number seven robinson road i like 01:34:51.859 --> 01:34:54.720 maps it's really hard to talk to a paper 01:34:55.439 --> 01:34:58.560 so uh we are talking about this gap closure or this 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:02.720 bottleneck issue when 2499 was 01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:07.770 um constructed and part of the text up plans the typically 01:35:07.770 --> 01:35:10.239 text out only goes a certain hundred 01:35:10.239 --> 01:35:13.760 feet east and west on side streets for development so what 01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:16.159 was happening is textile was supposed to 01:35:16.159 --> 01:35:21.109 go all the way on the city of denton side limits all the 01:35:21.109 --> 01:35:23.840 way to join to this area but on this side 01:35:23.840 --> 01:35:26.359 they were going to leave it out halfway so this was the 01:35:26.359 --> 01:35:28.720 bottom like we're talking about that text 01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:32.810 up um initially did not include in their plans but in 01:35:32.810 --> 01:35:36.640 talking to um their project manager for the 01:35:36.640 --> 01:35:41.670 for 2499 project um and hearing decision complaints and 01:35:41.670 --> 01:35:43.920 what city had to say and everyone 01:35:43.920 --> 01:35:46.930 they have decided they're going to go back and redo it this 01:35:46.930 --> 01:35:49.119 portion lies in the city of corinth 01:35:49.119 --> 01:35:52.109 and it would have been really difficult for us to go back 01:35:52.109 --> 01:35:54.560 and do anything sign an error local 01:35:54.560 --> 01:35:57.289 agreement by the time it was done and said it would have 01:35:57.289 --> 01:35:59.840 taken a long time so text dot has agreed to 01:35:59.840 --> 01:36:02.989 connect uh reduce or get rid of this bottleneck and get 01:36:02.989 --> 01:36:05.520 this four lane all the way to this location 01:36:06.159 --> 01:36:08.470 and this is the project that i was talking about designing 01:36:08.470 --> 01:36:09.840 later on in the future but 01:36:10.720 --> 01:36:14.550 for now this issue has been eliminated there's no there 01:36:14.550 --> 01:36:17.279 will not be any bottleneck once the 2499 01:36:17.279 --> 01:36:23.630 opens uh item number 10 is that the one yes item number 10 01:36:23.630 --> 01:36:26.560 and tada is going to help me a little 01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:31.149 bit on that one i'll start with the uh pedestrian signals 01:36:31.149 --> 01:36:34.640 we looked at a few different options for 01:36:34.640 --> 01:36:37.229 here and this was a request from council member braves 01:36:37.229 --> 01:36:39.199 about um getting a pedestrian signal at 01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:46.199 mckinney and mayhill and um currently it has temporary pole 01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:49.920 signals and um let me get to that 01:36:52.800 --> 01:36:55.029 so if you look at it there are no sidewalks coming in on 01:36:55.029 --> 01:36:57.199 either side there are no ramps 01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:02.119 and these are temp poles and let me just throw this guy out 01:37:02.119 --> 01:37:06.159 there good lord so this is the 01:37:06.159 --> 01:37:11.909 signal we're talking about and see the sidewalk ends here 01:37:11.909 --> 01:37:15.520 there are no ramps typically when we 01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:19.479 put in pedestrian signals which have head push buttons and 01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:21.600 pet heads which are those blinking 01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:25.180 guys uh we typically recommend putting in the um ada 01:37:25.180 --> 01:37:27.840 compliant ramps we don't want to install 01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:31.199 something that is not ada compliant because we're 01:37:31.199 --> 01:37:34.479 installing it new for this particular one we do 01:37:34.479 --> 01:37:37.279 have an option we have the mayhill project coming in that's 01:37:37.279 --> 01:37:39.119 going to tie it down to this as well as 01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:44.380 the mckinney project that's under design or starting design 01:37:44.380 --> 01:37:46.880 soon so long term in a few years 01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:50.010 definitely this will be an upgrade intersection short term 01:37:50.010 --> 01:37:52.000 i've looked at some of the cost if we 01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:56.239 just put in the signal pet heads and put in push buttons no 01:37:56.239 --> 01:37:59.600 ada ramps no ada compliant we're talking 01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:03.239 about three four thousand dollar cost to install that and 01:38:03.239 --> 01:38:05.600 that would be a temporary situation 01:38:06.399 --> 01:38:09.380 mind me i mean it won't be ada compliant but it it is 01:38:09.380 --> 01:38:11.680 something that would work for kids that 01:38:11.680 --> 01:38:15.149 are actually walking to school today the other option is 01:38:15.149 --> 01:38:17.520 putting in whole ada compliant ramps 01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:21.149 and everything but that will be taken out as part of these 01:38:21.149 --> 01:38:23.920 two big projects and redone so that cost 01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:26.939 is about forty thousand dollars that will take three to 01:38:26.939 --> 01:38:29.439 four thousand four months right and this was 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:32.420 temporary i wanted to make sure that there was something 01:38:32.420 --> 01:38:34.720 because i know that um as the design 01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:37.560 for mckinney we wanted to make sure that sidewalks may be 01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:40.079 implemented first and so maybe that part can 01:38:40.079 --> 01:38:44.239 be part of that um first stage as well and i know that may 01:38:44.239 --> 01:38:46.960 hill is being widening so i'm not looking 01:38:46.960 --> 01:38:50.079 for you know the ada ramps at the moment i just want to 01:38:50.079 --> 01:38:52.479 make sure that the kids can push a button 01:38:52.479 --> 01:38:55.380 and the cars will stop for them to cause because right now 01:38:55.380 --> 01:38:58.159 they're weaving in and out of cars 01:38:58.159 --> 01:39:01.039 because the cars don't you're not paying attention to the 01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:03.359 kids correct correct no and that that option 01:39:03.359 --> 01:39:06.079 is about three to four thousand dollars it probably take 01:39:06.079 --> 01:39:07.600 about three to four weeks for 01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:11.340 someone to go out there and put the pet heads in can we 01:39:11.340 --> 01:39:14.239 fast track this because i was there yesterday 01:39:14.239 --> 01:39:18.289 and there were kids all over the street like in between 01:39:18.289 --> 01:39:21.680 cars it was it's insane okay yeah we we 01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:25.590 can we can definitely fast track this do you have something 01:39:25.590 --> 01:39:27.840 to add or i think we have it on answer 01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:31.439 okay thank you 01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:39.359 we are doing the very best we can to accelerate the 01:39:39.359 --> 01:39:42.720 sidewalk from loop 288 over to the high school 01:39:43.439 --> 01:39:46.399 we have uh the temporary i think my phone is catching that 01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:52.329 sorry uh we're accelerating that construction so that we 01:39:52.329 --> 01:39:53.760 will have it in place by the beginning 01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:55.939 of next school year so yeah there's an interim step that 01:39:55.939 --> 01:39:57.439 absolutely we can put in to help make 01:39:57.439 --> 01:40:00.710 the intersection better putting the pet hens in but the 01:40:00.710 --> 01:40:02.800 temp the sidewalk that we'll be putting 01:40:02.800 --> 01:40:06.130 in will be more temporary but it will provide a pathway and 01:40:06.130 --> 01:40:08.159 then what we're also working on 01:40:08.159 --> 01:40:10.960 is working with the contractor that's working the mayhill 01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:14.239 job accelerating the actual phasing for 01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:16.739 the intersection at mayhill and mckinney so that you get a 01:40:16.739 --> 01:40:18.560 fully signalized intersection the problem 01:40:18.560 --> 01:40:22.899 we always run into is once we start putting anything in 01:40:22.899 --> 01:40:26.000 that provides a i'm trying to think 01:40:26.000 --> 01:40:29.699 of the best way to put it is it becomes an accessibility 01:40:29.699 --> 01:40:31.760 issue any in other words what the 01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:35.399 ada really tells us that act actually says if i provide 01:40:35.399 --> 01:40:38.159 access for somebody i have to provide it 01:40:38.159 --> 01:40:41.159 for everybody and once i start putting in any of these pet 01:40:41.159 --> 01:40:43.199 heads or anything like that what i've 01:40:43.199 --> 01:40:46.810 said is is this is our preferred route that you take i have 01:40:46.810 --> 01:40:49.279 to provide that access for everybody 01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:53.199 so whether you're able-bodied disabled i've got to be able 01:40:53.199 --> 01:40:55.760 to provide that i run at risk if i put 01:40:55.760 --> 01:40:59.920 it in without that of being under some kind of enforcement 01:40:59.920 --> 01:41:02.239 or judgment against us there's 01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:05.939 potential lawsuits come after us so we're looking for we 01:41:05.939 --> 01:41:09.279 can put some measures in absolutely but 01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:11.770 we're also trying to accelerate all those other pieces so 01:41:11.770 --> 01:41:13.600 we don't leave ourselves at risk either 01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:16.140 so i mean i'm sorry keely i'm gonna jump in real quick this 01:41:16.140 --> 01:41:18.560 is not a long-term plan an ada 01:41:18.560 --> 01:41:21.680 accessibility is a part of the final plans for this 01:41:21.680 --> 01:41:24.720 intersection and for the entire area so 01:41:25.600 --> 01:41:29.470 i mean i guess i'm curious as to the actual liability 01:41:29.470 --> 01:41:32.399 exposure because by the time any case 01:41:32.399 --> 01:41:35.930 would line through the project would be complete and the 01:41:35.930 --> 01:41:38.880 remedy would have already been accomplished 01:41:39.279 --> 01:41:41.840 we're not saying that you do one or the other we're just 01:41:41.840 --> 01:41:43.680 trying to balance all the risks all 01:41:43.680 --> 01:41:47.189 at the same time we're trying to get signals out some kind 01:41:47.189 --> 01:41:49.680 of pedestrian crossing out right now 01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:52.800 as fast as possible we're also looking for how do i 01:41:52.800 --> 01:41:55.199 accelerate all these other elements because as 01:41:55.199 --> 01:41:57.670 soon as i start putting those items out there they do 01:41:57.670 --> 01:42:02.319 become a potential liability so the safety of 01:42:02.319 --> 01:42:04.640 everybody that's out there absolutely i want to try to 01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:06.800 protect anybody and everybody as fast as i 01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:09.720 possibly can but we're we're also trying to figure out how 01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:11.840 do i get all those elements in there that 01:42:11.840 --> 01:42:15.020 also keep us from putting somebody else potentially at risk 01:42:15.020 --> 01:42:18.000 as well okay council member bricks so 01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:21.380 that's good if we put those cross it'll be a um a fast 01:42:21.380 --> 01:42:24.079 track for the rest of the intersection 01:42:24.079 --> 01:42:26.170 that'll make people right is that what you're saying that's 01:42:26.170 --> 01:42:28.000 what we're trying to do is accelerate 01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:31.470 that as fast as possible to catch up well my other option 01:42:31.470 --> 01:42:33.840 would be that we get an officer out there 01:42:33.840 --> 01:42:37.670 if you can't do anything else i believe we've already 01:42:37.670 --> 01:42:40.560 talked to somebody that discussion's 01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:43.399 ongoing right now how do we get that would be minimum what 01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:45.439 we should do absolutely okay okay 01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:48.710 and i'm not i'm failing at my first day as chair because we 01:42:48.710 --> 01:42:50.640 're five minutes over and getting the 01:42:50.640 --> 01:42:55.689 hook so i've been told to wrap it up be i think there is 01:42:55.689 --> 01:42:58.640 one important thing did you hear what i 01:42:58.640 --> 01:43:02.600 just said i did uh and i'm wrapping it up with this final 01:43:02.600 --> 01:43:05.279 comment uh you will increase i think 01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:07.760 that that everybody has a right to express themselves any 01:43:07.760 --> 01:43:09.600 way they wish to but you will 01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:14.750 increase your credibility if you find a better lanyard to 01:43:14.750 --> 01:43:19.840 wear a better lanyard uh you know this 01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:24.180 is university of north point of order pre-tem are you 01:43:24.180 --> 01:43:27.359 complete two more items i do believe there is 01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:33.550 equal opportunity for all to be employed right okay this is 01:43:33.550 --> 01:43:39.279 why this right here quickly uh item 01:43:39.279 --> 01:43:43.850 number 11 what's the status status doesn't look all that 01:43:43.850 --> 01:43:46.720 great um this is a picture that was taken 01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:50.569 today and if you look at that's the new plaque educational 01:43:50.569 --> 01:43:52.720 flag that we installed saying you 01:43:52.720 --> 01:43:55.840 know you shouldn't be within 30 feet of the stop sign and 01:43:55.840 --> 01:43:57.840 they're right underneath it and this is 01:43:57.840 --> 01:44:01.500 at normal and oak so we installed it about six locations we 01:44:01.500 --> 01:44:03.680 've lost signage on two people have 01:44:03.680 --> 01:44:08.140 taken it down i don't know where it is and the others they 01:44:08.140 --> 01:44:10.880 're not following so greg normal and 01:44:10.880 --> 01:44:14.529 miryetta they're right at the stop sign same same situation 01:44:14.529 --> 01:44:17.199 so education apparently is not really 01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:21.439 working great so we have to look at other means well is 01:44:21.439 --> 01:44:24.720 there another means of like uh issuing a 01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:27.949 citation i think so this is the next step is wherever we 01:44:27.949 --> 01:44:29.920 have the signs is we start issuing 01:44:29.920 --> 01:44:32.479 citation and they start noticing things yeah okay punish 01:44:32.479 --> 01:44:36.479 them what's the next one wow all right the 01:44:36.479 --> 01:44:40.789 last one was signal timing project and uh i was actually 01:44:40.789 --> 01:44:43.920 going through uh some of the cog comments 01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:48.420 um they have a call in place i think it goes in uh end date 01:44:48.420 --> 01:44:51.279 is october 13th for submitting them 01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:55.020 you know request for proposals for signal timing but we've 01:44:55.020 --> 01:44:56.880 already we had submitted one back in 01:44:56.880 --> 01:45:01.439 2013 um got the funding in 14th uh cog actually had a 01:45:01.439 --> 01:45:03.680 consultant on board and they're working 01:45:03.680 --> 01:45:06.979 with the consultant and we're upgrading timings for about 01:45:06.979 --> 01:45:10.880 75 to 80 signals within the city and 01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:14.840 uh that will go soon most likely spring to summer of next 01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:17.600 year is when they're planning on 01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:21.050 implementing most of these timings a lot of the issues 01:45:21.050 --> 01:45:24.560 between 2015 and now had been construction 01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:29.960 on 380 some of the rehab projects going on near loop 280 l 01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:32.479 illian miller eagle all that taken into 01:45:32.479 --> 01:45:35.329 consideration they were not able to collect data to move 01:45:35.329 --> 01:45:37.520 forward so that's why it's taking a little 01:45:37.520 --> 01:45:41.119 bit longer and we don't qualify for their the new funding 01:45:41.119 --> 01:45:44.960 because we're already within we already 01:45:44.960 --> 01:45:49.470 have a grant that was after 2013 so okay that's okay thank 01:45:49.470 --> 01:45:51.760 you pre-tem any um i think we're on 01:45:51.760 --> 01:45:57.420 item number two concluding items any all right hearing none 01:45:57.420 --> 01:46:01.520 at 11 i'm sorry at 123 this meeting 01:46:01.520 --> 01:46:07.760 is adjourned