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of the council mobility committee meeting to order. It is

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11 37. A quorum is present and so the

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mobility committee of the city of Denton will convene in

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regular meeting today Tuesday October

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the 10th 11 35 and our council work session. One of our

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members is not here but should be coming

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later. The first item on the agenda is receive a nomination

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and elect a chair and I would like to

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just hold off on that item until we have our full committee

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here. So let's go to item B.

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Consider approval of the mobility committee meeting minutes

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of September the 19th.

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I move approval. Okay no corrections or suggestions. Okay I

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will second. All those in favor say aye.

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Aye. Okay the the meetings minutes are approved. Item C is

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well let's go back to item A

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which is receive nominations and elect a chair for the Dent

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on city council mobility committee

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meeting. Are there any nominations? I'll nominate Sarah. I

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'll nominate Dalton. Are you not do you

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not want to be chair? I can if you want. Well I mean if you

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don't want to be chair then we

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shouldn't nominate you but but since you represent us on

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the regional mobility committee it's probably

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more appropriate for you. I'll second myself. I can't that

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's a point of order. Huh? Yeah I'll do it. Okay

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so there's a nomination. Are there any other nominations?

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You withdrew your nomination to me

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right? Yeah. Okay there are no other nominations. All those

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in favor of electing council member

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Garry as chair raise your right hand. It's unanimous. There

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you go. Oh we have to elect the vice chair.

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Okay is that what a chair does? Well she's the chair so I

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can't. No I'll recognize councilwoman Briggs.

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I would like to nominate council member Gregory for that

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since he has already served in that position.

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Okay I'll second. All in favor raise your right hand. Pass

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es unanimously. What agenda item were

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you on? We're now on C. Okay agenda item C. Receive a

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report and hold discussion regarding

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the implementation plan for sidewalks. Madam chair I'd like

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to have our bike pedestrian coordinator

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Julie Anderson present this item. Thank you.

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Okay good afternoon council members staff. Today we're

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going to talk about our sidewalk

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plan for implementing the 2014 bond election. So just as a

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brief update or brief history.

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In 2014 Denton voters had approved two million dollars in

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bond funds for miscellaneous sidewalks.

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So that was in November 2014. Money came available spring

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of that next year. And it was phased in

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the amounts that money would be available through different

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fiscal years. You can see first it was

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250,000 two subsequent years of 700,000 and then just this

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fiscal year is the remaining 350,000

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dollars. So there was an initial list presented from the

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engineering group last year in about

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February. There's a list about 27 projects and it was

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estimated about three million dollars for those

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projects. At that time they added down we added some

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downtown specific projects that I had asked

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to be looked into. Those projects do not actually have cost

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estimates only the top five did and those

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got funded through some other means. And then as the list

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has gone on it's been added to maybe there

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were public requests or staff recognized some other needs

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that got added to the list. And most of those

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that were added did not have cost estimates because we were

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already working with the original list.

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That was 27 and now it's expanded to about 50. So let's

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give a quick overview of some of the

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ones that have been completed in that time. So the first

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one was we call the exposition sidewalk.

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It's actually on Hickory. It's right by Exposition Street.

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This was completed in March of this year.

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It came in under budget so that's nice. Some savings there.

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top priority because at one point the Denton community

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market was going to move down to this

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location and that ended up not happening. But the sidewalk

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has been built as well as a really great

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connection for DCTA and the rail yard and the municipal

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core area down there. So that project's

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been completed. Next is the Belle Avenue sidewalk. This was

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completed in May of 2017. There's actually

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a slight mistake on if you look at the listing I gave you.

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It originally said this was 43,000.

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original estimate did not include

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various things that the final project engineer actually

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included in it. So there was a bridge

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railing to cross the bridge right there right by the Civic

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Center. There was those parking lot bumpers

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at the Civic Center parking for the back end parking. Not

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back end parking but they put those

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bumpers in and striping and then also a retaining wall

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needed to be built right there because there

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was an elevation change and those were not included in the

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original cost estimate because a different

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engineer ended up designing that project at the end. So

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that was a really great connection to this

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senior center. There was a very distinct trail path foot

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path right there. Can I add? Yes pre-TAM.

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elements was to save a bunch of trees

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right by the Civic Center parking lot. So that was a major

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reason. Correct. Councilmember Gregory.

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Thank you. How did we cover the difference in cost? It came

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out of the sidewalk fund. So $120,000

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came from the bond election that $2 million and the

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remaining $20 I just believe came from an

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engineering somewhere. Actually there was $20,000 from

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facilities. We had included $20,000

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because of the connection between the senior center and the

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Civic Center. Great. Thank you.

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A next one is the Paisley Street over here by Lee

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Elementary School. You can see there's a gap

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where there had been some new construction sidewalks all

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around it just missing this one

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little gap right here. This was just completed last month.

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That budget was estimated to be $28,000.

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It came in at $26,000. Sorry the photo was maybe washed out

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. Oh mine it is but it looks better up

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there. There's that connection there. Right here in the

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same area across the street just on Mac.

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So if I go back. So this is this one but the one I'm

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talking about next is now this section

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that's right here. If you can see where the pointer is. So

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this was completed last year as well. This

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had a little bit higher budget. There was some work that

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needed to be done with the elevation and

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people's driveways plus all four of the intersection ramps

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were brought up to current ADA standards.

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upgraded ramps. Crosswalks were recently

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striped as well. So that one was a little bit higher cost

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but this was a great connection to

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Lee Elementary School to build up those sidewalks there. We

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've completed some other projects in that

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area as well as you go more east down Paisley connecting to

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Mockingbird. Oh I'm sorry Councilman

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McGrary. Having been principal at Lee for 15 years this is

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just great because for the first time now

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kids that live in the Singleton Oaks addition were the

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biggest number of kids to that school.

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Live were able to walk to school or ride a bike to school

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on sidewalks and avoid East McKinney Street

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and for years kids used to use East McKinney Street because

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Paisley didn't even go all the

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way through. Right. So this is great and what's nice is we

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have also used part of the easement

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for the DME transmission line to make a fairly wide

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sidewalk further east. Yes further east it's

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10 feet wide. This one I've included because it was on the

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the list originally. When the list was

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developed this was noted as a nice gap we could complete

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down here on Robinson Road by Teasley

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but kind of in the interim of the list being created and

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now this site got developed. I think

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it's a daycare and so the sidewalk was built by the

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developer so that budget of 15,000 has been

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closed out and that money will just roll over to the other

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sidewalk projects. So at this point I

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wanted to put it in there because it was on the original

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list but we'll probably remove it at this

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point. This one is on loop 288. Staff has affectionately

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called it the Chipotle trail

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because it's right there by Chipotle. This as you can see

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there's a very noted footpath here as well

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and this project got completed just last month right around

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budget so this was a really great

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connection. This one is not actually part of the sidewalk

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bond election funds but I wanted to draw

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attention to it anyway. This was a sidewalk built on Hick

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ory Creek Road. I think it was completed

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early last month. Hickory Creek Road is scheduled to be

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widened. They wanted to put this sidewalk in

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prior to that project going under construction so this

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provides a really great connection

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for students walking to McNair Elementary School. So it's

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an extra wide it's about 10 feet,

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might be eight feet. It goes from Chaucer all the way to

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Montecito which is right where kids can

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cross the street then to get to McNair. Councilwoman Briggs

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continues all the way to the school. Yes so it goes all the

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way from Chaucer to Montecito and at

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Montecito there's a crossing I believe they have a crossing

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guard there. Okay.

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we're on the list that are ready to

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go to construction. So this one is Windsor Drive on the

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north side from Mesquite to that existing

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sidewalk right by the edge of Romans Pizza and that

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development right there. This was actually

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a request from a citizen who has visual impairments who

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walks from the North Lakes Rec Center to their

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home on the other side of Elm and Locust. So that's part of

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this was we also built that crossing

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in front of the North Lakes Rec Center and then if you once

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you're on the north side this will create

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a sidewalk all the way to Elm and Locust. So I see him

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walking like at least once a week so I really

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appreciate this. Yeah this one was sort of fast tracked

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because of that. He actually walks all

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the way past Woodrow Wilson. Yeah he goes very far on Winds

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or. Yeah and so this was kind of a gap of

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where he'd have to keep crossing the street all the time

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connection all the way on one side of the street. So this

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one the PO right is that right the PO has

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been submitted? It should be under construction right now.

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they're going to be out there. Great. I mean somebody let

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him know just because he's still

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walking through this area. I don't have his contact info

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but do you? I'll contact him once it's all

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done. Okay great thanks Preetan. The next one that's just

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about ready is just right here across the

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street on McKinney. This picture the north is looking out

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to your right not the normal up.

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because we want to keep our connection

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across the street. We have this great crosswalk we built.

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sidewalk all the way through there to give people a nice

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connection if they want to park over here

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and make their way downtown for an event because this

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parking is you know available after five and

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on the weekends. Right now we're working on coordinating

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some utility relocations. DME has

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a big transformer right over there and also frontier

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communications. We'd ask them I believe

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to move one of their poles to put in a ramp at the corner

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of Oakland and Oak and we're sort of

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working through that. But we do anticipate it should be

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done by the end of the year.

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go and we'll get those ones done and

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completed out of those projects. So there's a lot of

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remaining projects on the list. So eight of them

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on the list are ready to go to design. So either they had

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an account set up and had some initial

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design work done but for various reasons staffing issues,

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staffing changes, everything was sort of

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put on hold when we reassessed our sidewalks. So these ones

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though have that account set up,

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had maybe a survey ordered and maybe a little bit of design

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but never a full-on design wasn't ready

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to go to construction. So we have eight of those that are

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ready to go. Our plan is to bundle those

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ones eight together and send them out to a consultant to be

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designed and possibly even

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constructed. We're still working on the construction side

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but they will get designed by an outside firm.

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The engineering I believe is putting out an RFP to have an

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engineering on retainer I guess is the

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right term. But there are still a bunch of remaining

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projects on the list, remaining and new

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projects that citizens have requested. As you might

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remember at last month's meeting we had a

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citizen here who requested to have that sidewalk on Amherst

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for students to walk to Newton Raiser

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Elementary School. So what we would like to do with those

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projects is want to bring them all

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together and rank them so that we're ranking these projects

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based on a set of parameters that we can

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then show people this is ranked 50 as above this one's 30.

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So we want to take all those projects in

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together, rank them and then move forward with the highest

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ranked projects until the entire two

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million is expended. So as you know we've completed some

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projects so there's not two million right now

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left in the fund. There's a little over a million in the

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fund right now but we want to work towards

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completing those projects in that money with the highest

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ranked projects. Julie I think Mark has

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something you'd like to say. Julie would you mind for the

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uh might want to remind the committee some

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of the prioritization such as you know the ADA issues,

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proximity to event center schools. Yeah

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so initially when staff was going through that initial 27

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list on the projects on the list

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and they noted ones that had close elementary schools what

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were ADA issues, what were high

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pedestrian areas, also which ones had requests like

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repeated requests to staff and which ones

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could you actually see a footpath where you know people are

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using it. So that was the guiding

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principle about the list and how they move forward but we'd

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like to just make it a little bit more

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objective with this ranking system. So I'm looking at the

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large matrix that was on our desk with the

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there are five on here that have been ranked and I wanted

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to just briefly touch on the north side

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of Mingo from Riddell Street to Bell Avenue. Yes. So I know

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that TWU has a master plan that they're

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working on for the golf course and I'm wondering if we have

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coordinated with them to what extent

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the sidewalk would have mobility enhancements for their

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expanded campus and I guess also if I could

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get input from my fellow council members. Thank you for

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bringing that up because I wanted to talk

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about that. Since there's been a four-story apartment

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complex built on Riddell between Mingo

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and University Drive and apparently the Texas Williams

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University has secured that entire

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apartment complex for its students. I'm assuming that

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because on move-in day they had signs pointed

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to various dorms on campus and to that apartment complex

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and since school has started I since I

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drive down Mingo a lot I have seen students walking along M

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ingo between the the road and the golf

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course. On the south side of Mingo. Actually on the north

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side of Mingo. Oh yeah that's the north

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side. Yeah. The side that's next to the golf course. The

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side that's next to the golf course

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and my thought is with that many students living there and

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with no parking really available on

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campus for them I'm sure that a lot of students would be

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wanting to either walk or ride their bikes.

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Right. So have people on staff been in touch with the

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administration at TWU

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regarding the possibility of relocating that fits back a

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little bit. I know that there's some issues

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along there because of some of the drainage but driving on

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that road daytime and night time

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there are too many times when people especially dealing

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with the the drainage going under the road

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get up on the roadway you're wearing dark clothes and you

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don't see them until you're on them

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and somebody's going to get hurt. So has anybody talked to

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TWU are we doing anything to possibly

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press forward with that. I haven't spoken with them

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recently but I do believe we had a meeting

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with them at one point to discuss that. Councilman Redd, it

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was at a very high level we do need to

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re-engage in some detailed conversations with them. We're

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also looking at some conversations

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with them along Roodale Street where they've got they've

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got on the northbound side of Roodale

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there's a bus stop there and there's not much room there

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and we've noticed where we've got

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citizens or riders that are sitting literally on the curb

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kind of out into the right of way so

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we do have multiple issues that we'd like to see if we

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could work with TWU in terms of

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enhancing pedestrian and alternative transportation. Well I

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would I would encourage

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you all to do so soon and to report back to us when you're

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here. Very well. Councilman

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comment on that as well. I drive that street regularly and

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they're not just students but a

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lot of people walking and riding along that using that as a

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road to get to downtown area as well so

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I was glad to see that on the list and I hope that stays

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close to priority. Right so Mingo is

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definitely a key connection we had bike counts out on Mingo

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two years ago and there was a high

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amount of people biking on that road for well it's very inh

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ospitable to people biking and walking

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and it's probably one of the most requested streets I get

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from people to do something for

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bike and pedestrian safety so it's it's definitely

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something on our on our minds. One note though if

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you if you look at I think it was exhibit two, exhibit one,

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that the Mingo road is number 28 and

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it's the estimated cost was 625,000 at that point it was

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more than the two million so at this point

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it was unfunded but I wanted to go ahead and give that

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project ranking because if it was ranked

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really high you know it would hopefully move up and we

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would do that one sooner based on how it

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ranked. So we'll go into the ranking now we wanted to

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create a ranking system where we could you know

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say this was you know 50 and this one was 30 we're going to

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do this one first that we could show to

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the public this is why we wanted to do this project first.

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So pre-time actually worked on this ranking

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system researched what other cities had been doing created

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this first there was the pedestrian

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potential pedestrian potential potential index signing

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points based on the likelihood of

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pedestrian travel on that road so elementary schools middle

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schools get a certain number of

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points on a transit route gets some certain points if there

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's a noted footpath it gets so many points

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that actually comes to a total of 30-35 points and then

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there's also what we call the deficiency

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index so how critically is this project needed so what's

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the posted speed limit or have there been

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pedestrian crashes on that roadway is there an existing

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sidewalk how many lanes or a road are

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there that comes to a total of 51 points so right now the

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total is at 81 pre-time and I were discussing

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maybe it'd be best to make it so the number was 100 that

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way people it's easy more relatable if

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you can say this was 99 out of 100 as opposed to this was

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50 out of 80 so that's something we'd

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like to look into. So as I said I didn't want to rank all

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the projects on the list because I wanted

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to be able to bring the ranking criteria to this group

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first see if there were any suggestions and

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then if we wanted to refine the ranking and then at that

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point we'd go ahead and rank all the rest

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of those projects so I ranked just a sampling of them Amher

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st that was the one Dr. Brighill last

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week had not last month had requested so I went ahead to

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rank that one Alice was also an email we'd

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gotten from some people that Alice needed to have a

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sidewalk for students going to Calhoun and also to

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my mind is blanked Denton High in that area and then North

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side of Mingo Nottingham is also on on

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the list and then Northside of McKinney from Bell Place to

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Railroad down here which has a noted

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footpath so you can see that Alice ranked really high 54

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out of 81 and you can see how those those

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ranked at the time when we put this together pedestrian

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crashes I had not received them yet

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Julie just one moment council member okay go for it so a

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question about I'm curious

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just because I'd like to see behind the curtain how a thank

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you how a

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the Alice Street got a slightly higher ranking than Amherst

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how do we how do we

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right so Alice actually because Alice had it was close to a

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high school and an elementary school

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and a middle school so it got some extra points there I

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mean it wasn't much higher actually I

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noticed there was an error I gave six when the highest

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number is actually a four so Alice is

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actually at 52 so it's only one higher than the Amherst one

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and that's because it was also close

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to a high school so those ones were basically neck and neck

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basically they're safe routes to

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school projects and what I was saying before pedestrian

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crashes I had asked for those from

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the police department I had not received that back from

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them yet when I initially put this

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together and it was posted but I did receive those back

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late on Friday and only one one street on

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this list currently had a pedestrian crash and that was on

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mingo road so a pedestrian crash gives

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10 points so mingo would actually jump up to being 52 sorry

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it is just odd to say that a

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pedestrian crash gets 10 points right that did come out

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possibly wrong but if there's a

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pedestrian crash sure we want to make sure that's a high

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priority council member bricks so I do know

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speaking of that in the area of Calhoun and didn't hide

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there have been a couple of accidents on bikes

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and pedestrians so are any of the the projects in that area

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where the accidents happened are they on

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this list or is that a sidewalk issue or is that well a

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different issue is a bike crash or

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pedestrian crash but one of each yeah bike crash wouldn't

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necessarily make it on this list because

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we don't sidewalks aren't built for people who are riding

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their bikes sidewalks were built for

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pedestrians but I do remember there being the crash on is

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it Fulton not Fulton Crescent thank you

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the crash was on Crescent not on Alice and Alice is on the

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list but we could possibly broaden

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where the pedestrian crash occurs is it near the area if we

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wanted to include that in the list

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so no right now the pedestrian crash that occurred on Cres

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cent is not included in this right here

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work but pre-tem correct me if I'm wrong I understand that

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engineering or traffic operations

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is working on another solution to address that scenario or

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the issue over on Crescent and DHS

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correct can you go to a map so that it's easier to explain

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yeah just an aerial quick one

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yeah so last week I went out there met the principal of

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Denton High as well as

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Denton ISD environmental safety manager he's the person

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that takes care of safety around all the

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campuses he's our main contact for the ISD and got to talk

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to them as far as issues what are the

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concerns they see how it can be remedied and what we

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noticed while we were out on the site we noticed

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that there's a northern parking lot north of Crescent keep

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on going this way yeah right that one

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so the north parking lot it is close to 150 spaces there

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and it's primarily students are parking

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there and if you look at the entire furniture it's on a

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curve with no fencing no kind of

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restriction for students so they cross every which way

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everywhere across Crescent people that

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are traveling on Crescent when they come around the curve

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they don't have a way to know if a student

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is going to jump in front of them what's going to happen

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there is a school zone currently between

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right it starts right in the first house near Fulton going

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westbound and then eastbound in the

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middle of the baseball field so that particular area is 20

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miles an hour when the school is in

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session in the morning time as well as afternoon time so it

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is it is already implemented but what

504
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:36,990
is missing from there was a flashing sign to actually pull

505
00:27:36,990 --> 00:27:39,440
attention from motorists saying

506
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,920
you know it is a 20-mile zone and they should be aware of

507
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,640
that so we did find a few people doing

508
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,690
30 close to 30 25 to 30 and that would be definitely

509
00:27:51,690 --> 00:27:54,559
helpful so as far as the city's

510
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:58,069
concerned we're thinking of adding those flashers at those

511
00:27:58,069 --> 00:28:00,079
locations the other thing that was brought

512
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:04,589
up is a pedestrian crossing signage that has those flashing

513
00:28:04,589 --> 00:28:07,200
signs with lights that are across

514
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,089
from the street on McKinney a couple of those one at the

515
00:28:11,089 --> 00:28:14,559
corner where it really turns and then

516
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:18,380
the other one on the other side will make this area much

517
00:28:18,380 --> 00:28:20,640
more better as far as you know drawing

518
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,599
attention from motorists for pedestrians that might be on

519
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:27,519
the street the other thing then ISD is

520
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,599
is going to take care of that they're going to put a fence

521
00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:34,480
across that entire frontage so that

522
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,170
kids are only allowed to get out where the sidewalk kind of

523
00:28:38,170 --> 00:28:40,240
meets on either side so that would be a

524
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,359
better option to channelize them on either side so those

525
00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:45,440
are the three things that we looked at.

526
00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:50,849
Thank you, councilman. Thank you. I would encourage the

527
00:28:50,849 --> 00:28:54,640
fence or something and I'm assuming

528
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:58,500
that anytime that there's an analysis of a crash a

529
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:05,119
pedestrian vehicle accident that we look really

530
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:10,170
closely because I know that that the city took quite a bit

531
00:29:10,170 --> 00:29:13,599
of of criticism about two years ago

532
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:17,440
or within the last two years for some high school students

533
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,559
that were crossing loop 288

534
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,029
close to the intersection of loop 288 and McKinney street.

535
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:28,240
The problem was had they gone

536
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,359
about 50 yards further to the north they would have had a

537
00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:36,400
controlled crosswalk.

538
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:40,880
It was there it was available for them but they didn't use

539
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,359
it. Their adolescents and they feeling

540
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,390
vulnerable to being hurt and they ran across the street in

541
00:29:51,390 --> 00:29:55,839
the dark and one of them was was killed.

542
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,319
So I think that you know when you think about them when you

543
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:04,400
think about teenagers putting fences that

544
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,180
that they would be less likely to try to climb over on

545
00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:10,400
their way to school and making them walk

546
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,970
down to a safer place to cross would probably add a lot to

547
00:30:14,970 --> 00:30:17,920
the safety feature because I don't think

548
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,039
that just painting a line across the street is going to do

549
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,039
enough to encourage them to use that.

550
00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:26,759
Yeah and that's also we discussed about the crosswalk and

551
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:28,720
even the principal as well as the

552
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,450
safety manager there felt that crosswalk would kind of

553
00:30:32,450 --> 00:30:34,880
create an unsafe situation just because

554
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,859
kids are not going to look up anymore if there's a cross

555
00:30:37,859 --> 00:30:40,480
walk they'll just focus and expect the cars

556
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,599
to stop as if thinking that you know they're invincible

557
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:46,000
they're that age that they think this

558
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,359
car is going to stop so we kind of eliminated the crosswalk

559
00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:52,640
. Councilmember Briggs. So on the

560
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,609
sidewalk looking at this picture on Crescent I see there's

561
00:30:55,609 --> 00:30:57,359
the sidewalk here on the school and

562
00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:01,779
there's not one on the opposite. How far does the does the

563
00:31:01,779 --> 00:31:05,039
sidewalk from the school go all the way to

564
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,079
Fulton and then all the way to Malone?

565
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,250
Correct I think I'm just curious of what we're talking

566
00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:18,240
about sidewalks.

567
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:22,880
This did not build a sidewalk here.

568
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:32,059
So there's not a complete one from okay no okay the school

569
00:31:32,059 --> 00:31:33,680
built the sidewalk and

570
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,359
this church did not.

571
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:43,450
Okay that's interesting thank you and just one more

572
00:31:43,450 --> 00:31:47,599
question on the that list that we were talking

573
00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:51,970
about the itemized list you mentioned most of those are

574
00:31:51,970 --> 00:31:54,160
scored high because of the

575
00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:00,329
distance to school or schools. Does that qualify them for

576
00:32:00,329 --> 00:32:02,720
safe routes to school funding?

577
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,059
Yes if safe routes to school funding was available we would

578
00:32:09,059 --> 00:32:12,079
apply for it but again that's federal

579
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,589
funding we don't have safe routes to school funding at the

580
00:32:15,589 --> 00:32:18,000
city. Right well I know you have to apply

581
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,369
for it but yes definitely it's another way to make sure

582
00:32:20,369 --> 00:32:26,000
that we have funding. Okay yes so this would

583
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,890
be the ranking we'd go with the PPI and the DI but then as

584
00:32:29,890 --> 00:32:32,640
we were discussing projects we'd also

585
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,500
be able to have taken some other considerations such as

586
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:37,599
availability of right-of-way cost and

587
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:41,470
coordination with other projects. So perhaps a project that

588
00:32:41,470 --> 00:32:44,160
ranked fairly high but was going to

589
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,279
maybe be part of a larger project a good example is down on

590
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:49,279
Londonderry we have that on our list

591
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:51,730
but Londonderry is having some work done around there so we

592
00:32:51,730 --> 00:32:53,359
might wait on that project to coordinate

593
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:58,400
with that one instead. Cost could be a very prohibitive

594
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,240
factor we only have two million well

595
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,250
less than two million now to spend on sidewalks so it's a

596
00:33:03,250 --> 00:33:05,440
decision we'd have to make if this was a

597
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,930
really expensive project but we got a lot of bang for that

598
00:33:07,930 --> 00:33:10,480
buck maybe we'd still try to do it. So we

599
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,309
would use the ranking as our initial scoring which ones are

600
00:33:13,309 --> 00:33:14,720
highest to work on and then

601
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:18,910
internal staff we'd meet together and decide is this

602
00:33:18,910 --> 00:33:22,720
project feasible for different different

603
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,680
options. I know as I was going through this ranking ranking

604
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,559
these these sample projects

605
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,119
I did notice there were some things I'd probably like to

606
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:34,640
change such as the the

607
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,839
operating speed you only get one point if it's 30 to 34

608
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:43,039
miles per hour but most of our streets

609
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:48,089
in Denton are 30 miles an hour and you get the most points

610
00:33:48,089 --> 00:33:50,720
if it's over 50 from a primary

611
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,019
arterial so I maybe like to rework that one to give a

612
00:33:53,019 --> 00:33:55,119
little more points because our streets are

613
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,559
a lot of them are just our neighborhood streets that need

614
00:33:57,559 --> 00:33:59,519
sidewalks and they're only at 30 miles

615
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:03,200
an hour so does anybody else have any discussion points

616
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,079
about things you'd like to possibly see in

617
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:09,840
the ranking or anything like that I mean we'll try to move

618
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:10,960
forward with it.

619
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,820
I would have a question about the points that are allotted

620
00:34:18,820 --> 00:34:20,960
for elementary schools and high schools

621
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,079
so do the universities have points allotted as well like

622
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,960
proximity to a university? No they do

623
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,199
not on this list it's just high school elementary and then

624
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,800
you know employment local interest which

625
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,389
you could consider a university local interest but perhaps

626
00:34:37,389 --> 00:34:40,000
we should add a distinct column for

627
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,309
close to a university. I would say so because that's where

628
00:34:43,309 --> 00:34:45,360
you get a lot of pedestrians so

629
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,119
I would think that that score is at least similar to what

630
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:53,679
an undergrad school or I guess children's

631
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,699
school would score. Right okay we can definitely work that

632
00:34:57,699 --> 00:35:03,599
in. So Councilman Briggs sorry and that's

633
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:06,190
right and just on the sidewalks and we're speaking about

634
00:35:06,190 --> 00:35:09,119
distance to schools I do know that buses do

635
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:13,170
not run within three miles of a school and so if a an area

636
00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:15,760
is within three miles of a school does

637
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,639
it get higher priority for sidewalks as compared to those

638
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,320
that yeah things closest to the school

639
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,500
quarter mile then you get points for a half a mile to three

640
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:27,440
quarter of a mile okay those get the

641
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,110
highest points if it's closest to the school. Okay thank

642
00:35:30,110 --> 00:35:37,280
you. So I don't know if you had a question.

643
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,300
Great so we just want to review and approve this ranking

644
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:42,480
system we'll move forward we'll make some

645
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,190
of those small changes and move forward with that. We'll

646
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:47,199
want to rank the remaining projects that are

647
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:51,159
on this list and take a new request so our my plan is to we

648
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:54,239
would like to create a website a web page

649
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,599
on the website that has the sidewalks listed and where you

650
00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:59,679
can request a new site. We want to be

651
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,690
able to take a new request from citizens have a place for

652
00:36:02,690 --> 00:36:04,960
them to request that we'll go ahead and

653
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,829
rank that put it in with the rest of the ranking and every

654
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:09,519
quarter or if it needs to be more

655
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:12,190
frequently if we have a lot of requests staff will meet

656
00:36:12,190 --> 00:36:14,480
together to reassess those rankings and

657
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,000
maybe we'll move projects based on that. Like I said yeah

658
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,320
we'll reassess that list quarterly and

659
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,150
then we'll continue until all the funds get expended and

660
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:24,960
hopefully we'll be able to build

661
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,329
a lot of sidewalks. So this is just for our our new

662
00:36:28,329 --> 00:36:31,599
sidewalks building with our two million dollars.

663
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:35,690
We are working on creating an ADA transition plan that

664
00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:39,920
would hopefully assess existing sidewalks

665
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,349
that need to get fixed or maintained repaired and

666
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:46,159
eventually we'd like to have a listing and

667
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,510
a ranking of all of our sidewalk gaps in the city. As you

668
00:36:48,510 --> 00:36:50,320
know this list that we have right now is

669
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,320
not even all the the gaps that we have in the city so we'd

670
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,880
like to work towards being

671
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,929
much more proactive in assessing our sidewalk list and how

672
00:36:59,929 --> 00:37:01,360
we can move forward with that.

673
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:06,800
Well that sounds great to me. I think having the public

674
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,960
input and having it be in a place that

675
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,139
people can access is a great idea. I'll just go back to the

676
00:37:12,139 --> 00:37:14,079
mingo issue again. I really encourage

677
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:18,420
you guys to work with the administration at TWU because I

678
00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:21,360
think that road is scheduled to be

679
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,239
expanded at some point in the distant future. I thought it

680
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,679
might be on a list somewhere.

681
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,349
Maybe not. I don't know. Well I'll work with engineering

682
00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:32,079
and see what we can.

683
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:34,559
I thought I thought I heard something about you know

684
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:36,480
distant future mingo expansion but it could

685
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,940
have just been like wishful thinking or something. So I

686
00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:42,239
would just hope that we have a really

687
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,030
comprehensive look at that particular area. Madam Chair

688
00:37:46,030 --> 00:37:48,559
there had been some discussion with

689
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:52,559
with TWU administration when we were working on the Pres

690
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:57,599
cott property up at 380 with DCTA in terms

691
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:01,840
of how that line would work, how that might have to push

692
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,639
out and mingo and if there was an interest

693
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:08,329
by TWU. So we need to re-engage the. Okay well thank you.

694
00:38:08,329 --> 00:38:10,559
All right thank you Julie. Oh wait I'm

695
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:13,679
sorry Councilman Briggs. I just wanted to follow up and say

696
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:16,239
thank you for bringing this discussion to

697
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,590
us. I'm really glad that we're having it and the most

698
00:38:19,590 --> 00:38:22,320
complaints we get as council members are for

699
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,119
streets and sidewalks and so I'm glad to see that we're

700
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,760
having this discussion and making it priority.

701
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:34,960
Thank you. Thank you. Okay thanks Julie. Our next item is

702
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,719
item D. Receive a report hold a discussion

703
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,250
and provide direction regarding Texas Department of

704
00:38:41,250 --> 00:38:43,599
Transportation on system projects in the Denton

705
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:53,260
area to include the 35 express project. Which one? The

706
00:38:53,260 --> 00:38:57,679
mobility committee. Do you have to go on?

707
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:01,840
Oh I can do that. John you're presenting.

708
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,519
You're getting fancy John.

709
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:19,599
Also the the scrolling doesn't work on this mouse.

710
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:25,340
Yeah yeah or you can like do that. Don't give me options.

711
00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:27,840
But the button doesn't work I just got

712
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:33,840
with that. I still try to use it though. Here it is.

713
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:48,239
Okay yeah like how small do you want it? Okay there you go.

714
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,719
Okay so I'll just run through the report real quick and you

715
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,119
guys can stop me. If you need that

716
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:02,170
bigger I can have Julie come back up. So here we go. So the

717
00:40:02,170 --> 00:40:04,960
first project we're going to go over

718
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:09,769
is the 2181 north south project. This report was submitted

719
00:40:09,769 --> 00:40:12,719
prior to the October 5th. We actually

720
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:12,719
had the meeting the pre-construction meeting with MCM on

721
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:20,960
this project. Out of that pre-construction

722
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,010
meeting several things from an action item came out. One is

723
00:40:26,010 --> 00:40:28,239
that MCM is not going to be allowed

724
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:33,639
to start the project until they have their baseline

725
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:37,599
schedule submitted and an office site

726
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,929
established. Now MCM has decided to co-locate their office

727
00:40:42,929 --> 00:40:47,199
with their batch plant. So it's

728
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:52,250
typically the batch plant that is the difficult item to

729
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:56,800
acquire the location of and I'm wondering

730
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,920
to kind of get this a little bigger to show you kind of

731
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,039
where they are looking to do it and it's

732
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:07,159
going to require the city to you know walk through the

733
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:10,480
process of their permitting if it's even allowed.

734
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:15,530
So here's the 2499. I know that says 2499 but that's

735
00:41:15,530 --> 00:41:17,519
whatever reason that's wrong.

736
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:22,920
2499 this location right here is an open area. You need to

737
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,519
stand by the microphone. Sorry.

738
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,800
This area right in here where the star is wherever that is

739
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,920
is the location they're looking at.

740
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,340
This is 2499. The only other location they can find in the

741
00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:42,559
area that's close is down here by

742
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:48,650
Park Ridge across from Lake Dallas High School. The reason

743
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:50,320
this is probably less than

744
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,360
positive for them to use is because as you know when Geyer

745
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,239
and they've also asked the ISD to use

746
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,300
their site consistent with their Belfour guys but the

747
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:05,599
school district said there's not enough room.

748
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,000
So if they use the Park Ridge site,

749
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:15,780
does that push? Ah it's like a laser. So if they use the

750
00:42:15,780 --> 00:42:21,440
Park Ridge site in this area what happens

751
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,289
is these pointers always make me look like I'm drinking a

752
00:42:25,289 --> 00:42:28,159
lot of coffee. They have to truck their

753
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,110
materials along 2181 to construct a project and as you know

754
00:42:34,110 --> 00:42:35,760
in this area where

755
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,789
Geyer High School is, twice a day basically in the morning

756
00:42:39,789 --> 00:42:41,119
and the afternoon,

757
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,679
there's no traffic that's going to get through here and the

758
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:46,480
other problem is they don't want

759
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,260
to have a lot of traffic moving through this area during

760
00:42:50,260 --> 00:42:52,559
that time frame. So if they can

761
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:57,239
access this site as a batch plant in their office then they

762
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,719
'll be able to have direct access to the

763
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,159
entire project corridor. Now as a side note they're also

764
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:08,400
got a contract with Corinth to,

765
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:14,780
man that is shaky, to extend Lake Sharon to 2499 and that's

766
00:43:14,780 --> 00:43:17,039
a project that they've got going on

767
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:20,820
concurrent and so then once they get that graded out they

768
00:43:20,820 --> 00:43:24,159
'll be able to come to 2499 off that graded

769
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:27,519
area off of Lake Sharon. So they're requesting the city

770
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:30,239
consider a permit for batch plant in this area.

771
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,730
I know that that's a sensitive topic and so I think at the

772
00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:38,000
last meeting we had Chad was there

773
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,760
from engineering was the I think was Chad and then Tim

774
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,079
Fisher was there for a bit but then he had to

775
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:49,090
go so they were going to get back with somebody with the

776
00:43:49,090 --> 00:43:50,960
staff level to find out what that

777
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,650
permitting process or even if it is possible for a batch

778
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:56,559
plant at that location and the reason

779
00:43:56,559 --> 00:44:00,519
that's a critical path item again it's where they create

780
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:04,400
and make their concrete on site so it's

781
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,849
they'll bring in the sand, the gravel, the Portland and

782
00:44:08,849 --> 00:44:12,559
they create the concrete for the project on site.

783
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:16,820
Council Member Briggs and so that's the permit they're

784
00:44:16,820 --> 00:44:20,400
looking for before they can get this project going?

785
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,840
Correct it's it's a it'll be like a permit through the city

786
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,840
's I guess building process because it's a

787
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,300
you know batch plants are not a pleasant thing to be next

788
00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:33,679
to.

789
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:34,179
Right.

790
00:44:34,179 --> 00:44:38,610
And I think the city has requirements for noise abatement,

791
00:44:38,610 --> 00:44:41,599
curfew hours, etc.

792
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:44,559
that you can't apply to the construction of the project

793
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:46,559
because it's a state project

794
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:50,110
but you can apply it to the permit for the batch plant

795
00:44:50,110 --> 00:44:53,360
because it's yours to either give or not give.

796
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,960
So is the batch plant temporary or it's permanent?

797
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,659
It's temporary for the length of the project and so they're

798
00:45:01,659 --> 00:45:03,280
putting their offices there

799
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,989
as well and the contract says they can't start the project

800
00:45:06,989 --> 00:45:09,360
until they have their offices established

801
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:16,539
and for whatever reason they've decided to co-locate and so

802
00:45:16,539 --> 00:45:18,320
MCM is going to be turning in there

803
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:23,510
their baseline schedule on October 19th and once that

804
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:26,400
occurs, TXDOT will agree to it because it's

805
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,829
going to be at the 650-day length on the contract. The

806
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:35,280
contract time starts but they won't allow them

807
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,440
to go to construction until they have this office site set

808
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,559
up which requires a permit from the city

809
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,599
and for the batch plant. So it's kind of all intertwined

810
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,760
and I think the appropriate staff

811
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,429
have been communicated. I thought I saw Chad's

812
00:45:50,429 --> 00:45:52,719
communicating with somebody at the meeting the

813
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,429
other day so I'm just kind of throwing that out there for

814
00:45:56,429 --> 00:45:58,719
whoever's responsible for that.

815
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,070
The other thing we need on this project is the city of Dent

816
00:46:05,070 --> 00:46:07,119
on has a water line that MCM is going

817
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:11,159
to be constructing first as a part of this project and

818
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:14,239
there was some confusion. I think Tim had to

819
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,949
leave for an earlier meeting on there. MCM was under the

820
00:46:17,949 --> 00:46:20,320
impression that they had to get the water

821
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:25,369
line in and open by May of next year but what it is is that

822
00:46:25,369 --> 00:46:28,159
I think the city was saying there's a

823
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:32,119
certain few months June, July, August where you can't do

824
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:34,880
the cutover unless it's specific times

825
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,110
because it's a high use period for your water line. So

826
00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:40,480
somebody from the city utilities is going to

827
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,780
provide that date because that matters because if it's May

828
00:46:44,780 --> 00:46:48,400
they want to do a different schedule

829
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,269
than if it's November and November is the normal process by

830
00:46:52,269 --> 00:46:54,880
which they would do it and as long as

831
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,389
the city is okay with not being those three months in the

832
00:46:58,389 --> 00:47:00,559
summer then it helps the schedule

833
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,440
with MCM to be able to do it in November as opposed to May.

834
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,320
Okay so that's 2181. I know I've covered a lot of stuff on

835
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:16,800
that but

836
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,170
contractor's on contract. He's getting ready to go but he

837
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:24,079
can't start till he gets some of his paperwork done.

838
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:28,889
And I have a question for Pre-Tim. Do you know where that

839
00:47:28,889 --> 00:47:30,800
batch permit is at?

840
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,920
So they I don't even think they've submitted it because we

841
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,559
weren't even sure.

842
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:40,719
This was my mistake. I thought that the city had an

843
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,639
ordinance precluding batch plants in the city

844
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,400
but Chad checked on it and said no they don't have an

845
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,840
ordinance precluding them but they do have an

846
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,900
ordinance that requires certain mitigation so there we're

847
00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:57,920
going to go check on that. So they

848
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,630
haven't submitted an application because they don't even

849
00:48:00,630 --> 00:48:03,679
know that they can. They're waiting to find

850
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:07,639
out if it's even possible. However with all with all the

851
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:09,840
staff changes that we've had in the

852
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,690
planning department we make sure that all the appropriate

853
00:48:12,690 --> 00:48:14,159
contacts are out there so that

854
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:16,960
that is submitted to the right individual. Okay.

855
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,920
Okay John I don't want to rush you or anything but we only

856
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,440
have the room for

857
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,019
about 50-45 more minutes. So I take that long I need to be

858
00:48:32,019 --> 00:48:33,519
hitting the head.

859
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:36,889
We have two more items after you that's the only reason I'm

860
00:48:36,889 --> 00:48:38,480
actually rushing you.

861
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:46,559
Okay so forward drive the long short of it is if you look

862
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:51,280
there it says right away completes

863
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,329
December 2017. Utility relocations is October but ready to

864
00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:58,000
let is November. That doesn't seem to

865
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,150
make sense except that the only piece of right away we have

866
00:49:01,150 --> 00:49:02,960
left on this project to acquire

867
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:07,150
is right there where the railroad track crosses 377. There

868
00:49:07,150 --> 00:49:10,960
's a billboard on the railroad right

869
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,739
away in the city of Denton. The city of Denton does have an

870
00:49:13,739 --> 00:49:15,440
ordinance that says billboards

871
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,119
can't be replaced. Clear channels already been compensated

872
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:21,119
for their for their loss and we're

873
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:25,210
going to include the value of the loss of revenue with the

874
00:49:25,210 --> 00:49:28,000
UP in their exhibit A. So although we

875
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,190
still have one more parcel to acquire it doesn't affect the

876
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:33,519
project because it's on the right away

877
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:38,570
for the UP. The relocations will be completed in October

878
00:49:38,570 --> 00:49:41,519
and so the project is going to be ready

879
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:44,670
to let by November. The only thing left after that is to

880
00:49:44,670 --> 00:49:48,400
get the exhibit A from the Union Pacific

881
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:53,670
Railroad and we just received a very lengthy email from

882
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:56,880
Sherry Boyd who is the key person working on

883
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,429
this at Lochner coordinating with the folks at UP and it

884
00:50:00,429 --> 00:50:03,039
appears that we have some synergy as to

885
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:07,519
getting that exhibit A done probably before the end of the

886
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:10,719
year's out which means that if we know

887
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,960
that we can start to move the project forward for a let

888
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,719
date sometime around the first of the year.

889
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:25,519
Okay 2499 section five I'll scroll down for that.

890
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,599
So this project is supposed to be completed in December

891
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:39,519
primarily the work is being done up here

892
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:49,599
in the north. In this area in the northern section where it

893
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:52,480
ties into 35 and then the area where it

894
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,599
ties into the state school those are the primary areas to

895
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:57,679
work in and they need to get completed.

896
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,760
And they're saying that they'll have that done by December

897
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,800
also as part of this project we have

898
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,519
the city has submitted 60 percent plans to text that for

899
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:15,920
the signal at Robinson Road which is

900
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:21,510
right there which allows the text dot to tell wherever

901
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:23,840
where to put the base

902
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,960
foundations for the poles and to order the materials and so

903
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,880
by the time we get the plans

904
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,940
done we should have the the material we need for the signal

905
00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:37,440
unless pre-10 wants to change anything

906
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,750
I just said. Yeah I want to add to it we have been in touch

907
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:45,440
with the project manager for text on the

908
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,969
on that particular project Mark Wiley and we have confirmed

909
00:51:49,969 --> 00:51:52,320
locations of the foundation so

910
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,079
he's going to go ahead and start pouring the foundations.

911
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:57,679
60 percent plan they barely had

912
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:02,079
any comments so we're almost close to submitting the final

913
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:04,800
plans to the district office Dallas

914
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,170
district and hopefully by December we have something in

915
00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:13,039
place before it opens. So the

916
00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:16,670
contract's kind of going slower than it was supposed to

917
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:19,039
because of some work this has to be done in the

918
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:21,800
north but that's to our advantage because we want to get

919
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,840
the signal up and running before they open

920
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:28,289
the road so it looks like the schedule's working on in our

921
00:52:28,289 --> 00:52:30,079
direction on that one.

922
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:39,019
So this is the I-35E Mayhill 2499 improvement we've already

923
00:52:39,019 --> 00:52:40,400
got a project manager's name is

924
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,469
Travis Campbell we do know that the firm that's going to be

925
00:52:44,469 --> 00:52:46,639
doing the Mayhill bridge which is

926
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:50,969
going to be the ultimate bridge and its width underneath 35

927
00:52:50,969 --> 00:52:53,599
for Mayhill not the ultimate width

928
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:56,769
for 35 because we're not doing we're not touching 35 will

929
00:52:56,769 --> 00:53:00,800
be LTRA so they've got LTRA they're in

930
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,199
the process of contracting with them Texthout will do all

931
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:05,440
the advanced planning and the engineering

932
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,650
it's already environmentally cleared and we're staying

933
00:53:08,650 --> 00:53:10,719
inside existing right away because we're

934
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:15,769
widening the underneath the freeway to widen the bridge for

935
00:53:15,769 --> 00:53:18,000
Mayhill to get six lanes or better

936
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,679
underneath it so no right away is going to be required it's

937
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:22,400
already environmentally cleared there

938
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:27,429
will be some utility adjustments I'm certain if they're out

939
00:53:27,429 --> 00:53:29,840
there and this is a project that

940
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,050
will probably be funded out of that 10-year funding that

941
00:53:33,050 --> 00:53:36,320
Texthout allocated to 35E from the

942
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:41,769
county line with Dallas county up to 380 so we just got to

943
00:53:41,769 --> 00:53:42,800
get it done.

944
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:48,880
And then this is the look 288 Brinker Mayhill project

945
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:53,030
basically the critical I'm just going to jump to the Texth

946
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:56,320
out construction report we're working on

947
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:01,679
completing the the getting totally done with the water line

948
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:04,639
during this next month we're going to

949
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:06,820
be working with OHL to get what's called a recovery

950
00:54:06,820 --> 00:54:09,280
schedule because right now they are saying February

951
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,949
2019 and the contract was originally August of 18 and there

952
00:54:13,949 --> 00:54:16,079
were some delays at the front of the

953
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:21,550
project but we feel that there is an ability for OHL if

954
00:54:21,550 --> 00:54:25,039
they so choose to do to recover a lot of

955
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:27,719
that time frame so we're going to require them to provide

956
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,440
us a recovery schedule to see what they

957
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,949
got to do to get back on track with this project and then

958
00:54:32,949 --> 00:54:35,440
it'll be up to because the you know the

959
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:40,489
city put in two million bucks through the developer the

960
00:54:40,489 --> 00:54:44,000
county put in about 18-19 million of it the

961
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,369
rest was uh state funds and so if the group primarily the

962
00:54:48,369 --> 00:54:50,880
county and the state decide that

963
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,949
whatever it takes to expedite that recovery schedule if it

964
00:54:54,949 --> 00:54:57,280
requires additional funding then

965
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,159
we'll look at adding additional funding in the project at

966
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:02,639
that time but the intent is to get it

967
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:09,309
back on on track for the August 2018 completion. 35 North

968
00:55:09,309 --> 00:55:14,639
this is a segment from 380 uh to the

969
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:19,050
candle line again this is a project that TechStat is taking

970
00:55:19,050 --> 00:55:22,000
the lead on they have HDR doing the work

971
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:28,179
and they should be completed with the schematic by what did

972
00:55:28,179 --> 00:55:29,360
I say up here

973
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:32,900
the schematic by the end of this year that's right we're

974
00:55:32,900 --> 00:55:34,559
probably going to have the public

975
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,960
hearing on this project in the summer of next year with it

976
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,480
being environmentally cleared after that

977
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,940
everything else is a guess after the environmental

978
00:55:43,940 --> 00:55:48,000
clearance an assumption but that that July public

979
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,400
hearing in December 18 uh environmental clearance is a

980
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,679
target date that the state wants to hit

981
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,760
and then the in town project you all know because you all

982
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,719
drive it all the time

983
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,550
that it's essentially open and they're basically as the

984
00:56:04,550 --> 00:56:06,719
report shows they're just doing punch list

985
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:11,769
items and tdlr uh inspections to make sure it's ADA

986
00:56:11,769 --> 00:56:16,400
compliant. Briefly John. In interest of time

987
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,719
there was a question on landscaping associated with the in

988
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,519
town section there's a there's a

989
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:23,869
memo on the back of your of your report to indicate that we

990
00:56:23,869 --> 00:56:25,519
're going to start moving forward with the

991
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:30,889
trees later this fall fall next summer by working forward

992
00:56:30,889 --> 00:56:33,840
with a green ribbon project to do the

993
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,710
landscaping so we can take questions later on that just

994
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:38,559
wanted to point that out as part of this

995
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:41,829
project. Great thank you Mark. Okay so this is a new one to

996
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:46,400
your list uh this is the 380 loop 288

997
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,519
intersection improvement and essentially we're going to do

998
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:51,119
it in two phases one we're going to

999
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:54,280
do an interim improvement and then as we come in with 380

1000
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,639
from 288 out we'll do a more permanent

1001
00:56:56,639 --> 00:57:01,690
improvement and what the interim improvement and so I was

1002
00:57:01,690 --> 00:57:04,320
going to ask to go to an aerial but if

1003
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,059
we got don't have a lot of time then I'll just stay here

1004
00:57:07,059 --> 00:57:09,119
essentially what the interim improvement

1005
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:13,199
is going to do is they're going to they're going to take if

1006
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:16,000
you notice up here there's a u-turn

1007
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,960
lane with this big island that sticks out and then but you

1008
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:23,679
'll see that the nose of the nose

1009
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:29,679
is going to be a little bit more than that.

1010
00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:35,230
For the turn lane north to 288 off of University it stops

1011
00:57:35,230 --> 00:57:39,119
about right there dang it I'm really

1012
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:43,250
good with the firearm but so uh it stops about there so

1013
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:46,239
what we're talking about doing is chopping

1014
00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:50,800
off part of the the island here and then the left turn lane

1015
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,000
will be a left the u-turn will be a u-turn

1016
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,530
and a left with the existing left turn lane first lane

1017
00:57:58,530 --> 00:58:01,280
being a through left and then I'll give you a

1018
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,550
through and then they'll add pavement back to wherever the

1019
00:58:04,550 --> 00:58:07,599
drainage ditch is on the outside

1020
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:11,969
so that they all make a free right turn and all that is

1021
00:58:11,969 --> 00:58:14,880
being done probably with asphalt

1022
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:18,929
just to get it in the project right now and it'll stay

1023
00:58:18,929 --> 00:58:21,039
inside takes that right away that's why

1024
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:23,800
they're doing moving it to the inside as opposed to the

1025
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,079
outside but when they come back and we do the

1026
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:30,159
ultimate project which is another project on the list they

1027
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:32,079
'll come back and look at this and do it

1028
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:35,599
in more permanent structures with concrete and whatnot.

1029
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:38,800
Council Member Gregory. I am not an engineer

1030
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,800
our engineers all know that and tell themselves that every

1031
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,920
time that I start to talk.

1032
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,300
I would imagine that there is maybe not one car out of a

1033
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:51,840
hundred

1034
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,760
that goes straight through and straight north on that why

1035
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,360
would they they would just stay on the

1036
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:07,329
the loop the problem seems to be that that that lane that

1037
00:59:07,329 --> 00:59:10,960
that gives that allows you to go straight

1038
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,980
or to turn left isn't quite wide enough especially when a

1039
00:59:14,980 --> 00:59:17,920
big 18 wheeler is trying to turn right

1040
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,920
and and it doesn't provide enough room and as a result my

1041
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,400
neighbors you know get their cars

1042
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,699
side swiped by the cars and then they call me and they fuss

1043
00:59:28,699 --> 00:59:30,719
at me as if I designed that

1044
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:35,869
but it seems like that the solution is to make the right

1045
00:59:35,869 --> 00:59:39,840
turn lane put a little more asphalt on the

1046
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,889
right hand side maybe four or five feet to give those

1047
00:59:44,889 --> 00:59:48,800
vehicles wanting to go right to room. Have

1048
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,469
you been out there and looked at it have you all been out

1049
00:59:50,469 --> 00:59:54,000
there? So I thought I just said that. Oh

1050
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,210
you did? But I'll repeat what you were saying. The whole

1051
00:59:58,210 --> 01:00:01,679
intent is to move everything to the inside

1052
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:04,690
so that you can not just have a little bit of a right turn

1053
01:00:04,690 --> 01:00:07,280
lane but a full length right turn lane.

1054
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,139
So they're going to fix it? They're pushing everything to

1055
01:00:09,139 --> 01:00:10,559
the inside rather than the outside.

1056
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:13,349
So you're basically adding another lane to the inside so

1057
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:14,800
you can give that whole

1058
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,360
last lane to be the free right turn lane. I don't care

1059
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,760
which side it gets. Well the way the reason

1060
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,960
we're doing it this way is this is all tech stock right

1061
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,320
away. Right. We don't have to bother any

1062
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,619
adjacent property owners we don't have to go through any

1063
01:00:26,619 --> 01:00:27,760
this is just a maintenance

1064
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:32,650
deal and Tina Massey we were at the kickoff meeting for 21

1065
01:00:32,650 --> 01:00:35,119
81 we were talking about this and

1066
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,739
you know she said yeah the only thing is is that right in

1067
01:00:38,739 --> 01:00:39,440
that island

1068
01:00:41,039 --> 01:00:44,059
I'm not supposed to walk away from the mic but right in

1069
01:00:44,059 --> 01:00:45,360
that island

1070
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:51,360
right there is a controller it looks like for your signal

1071
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,760
so we either need to like try to miss that

1072
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,199
or the city may have to help us by moving that a little bit

1073
01:00:57,199 --> 01:01:02,400
. I'll add to this I agree with you that

1074
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,789
people do not go through on that center lane so I don't

1075
01:01:05,789 --> 01:01:07,840
know how realistic this is but

1076
01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:12,159
the way that I've seen that road back up it is people going

1077
01:01:12,159 --> 01:01:15,039
to the developments on 380 east

1078
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:18,250
they're turning right and there's not sufficient space but

1079
01:01:18,250 --> 01:01:20,880
also not sufficient lanes so I don't

1080
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,829
know if if it's even possible to do two right turns or do

1081
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:26,880
it through right. We'll work with

1082
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:31,320
the city and the operations guys at TXDOT to do the optimal

1083
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,159
amount of lane balancing but

1084
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:38,480
we're just saying you've got a left turn you got a u-turn

1085
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,039
out there that's minimally used that's

1086
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:44,639
taken up a lot of space that we can take that and add

1087
01:01:44,639 --> 01:01:47,840
additional lane there which allows us to

1088
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,809
give us the most optimal you know segregation of the of the

1089
01:01:51,809 --> 01:01:54,880
turning movements. Okay. This stays all

1090
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,500
within TXDOT right away so we're on this we should see

1091
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:00,800
hopefully if we get all this stuff

1092
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,369
worked out soon this should be something we could do fairly

1093
01:02:04,369 --> 01:02:04,960
quickly.

1094
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:17,050
Okay so 380 east this is a project where TXDOT's doing the

1095
01:02:17,050 --> 01:02:18,960
green design in-house and there

1096
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:24,829
says that they'll have a 30 percent submittal on the green

1097
01:02:24,829 --> 01:02:27,599
section in the spring of '18.

1098
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:29,900
We're still working they're hiring two consultants I

1099
01:02:29,900 --> 01:02:33,360
checked today to see who they were they haven't

1100
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,780
given me the answer yet but they're working with two

1101
01:02:35,780 --> 01:02:39,280
consultants to do the PS&E on 380 in the blue

1102
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:44,500
section. There are 89 parcels to acquire in the blue and 25

1103
01:02:44,500 --> 01:02:47,760
parcels to acquire in the green and

1104
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,809
they're looking at having a May 2021 let date for this

1105
01:02:52,809 --> 01:02:53,440
project.

1106
01:02:57,039 --> 01:03:03,230
Luke 288 west so this is a project where we are about ready

1107
01:03:03,230 --> 01:03:06,000
to submit the 30 percent schematic.

1108
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:10,570
We have some conformity issues we have to deal with which

1109
01:03:10,570 --> 01:03:13,599
may delay the time frame up here of

1110
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:16,880
the environmental clearance. It's already been stuck in

1111
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,199
there the reason we have an EA out of

1112
01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:23,039
December 2020 when we've got the 30 plans done and we're

1113
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:25,440
expecting to have the schematic approved by

1114
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,150
next year is because right now this project is not in the

1115
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:34,159
mobility plan in the proper year so we've

1116
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:38,150
got to update the mobility plan to move 288 into a

1117
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:42,159
environmental clearance date and then we'll move

1118
01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:46,309
the environmental date to like 2018-2019 so it's just a

1119
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:48,480
paper chase. I know it didn't make any

1120
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,639
sense what I just said but it's all regulatory stuff that

1121
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:53,679
we have to follow it doesn't make any

1122
01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:59,110
sense to me but we're closer than the schedule would allow

1123
01:03:59,110 --> 01:04:02,800
is all I'm saying. All right 1515 is

1124
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:07,059
affirmed we got LTRA the county's got that we have had

1125
01:04:07,059 --> 01:04:10,559
comments both from TechStack and responses

1126
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:14,969
back from LTRA and we anticipate having John sorry Council

1127
01:04:14,969 --> 01:04:17,599
man Briggs. So when you said mobility plan

1128
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:21,460
do you mean whose mobility plan? Boom the uh Regents the

1129
01:04:21,460 --> 01:04:24,880
mobility 2040. So right now they're

1130
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:29,909
updating the mobility 2040 to 2045 and so we're trying to

1131
01:04:29,909 --> 01:04:32,800
get the loop 288 and 35w a couple of

1132
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,079
things in Denton county that are in the wrong year

1133
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:40,480
corrected in this update but when I'm I was saying

1134
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,940
the mobility plan I mean the Regents mobility 2040. Just

1135
01:04:43,940 --> 01:04:46,480
double checking because we have one too.

1136
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,610
Yes and folks out there that are listening they're probably

1137
01:04:50,610 --> 01:04:52,559
as usual confused when I speak.

1138
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,800
So again LTRA we expect to have them on contract I'm going

1139
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,400
to say by the end of the month and I'll

1140
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,280
just have to beat my staff to make sure it happens and then

1141
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,920
1830 this is the uh this is the project

1142
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,889
where they're doing the shoulder and the bridge replacement

1143
01:05:11,889 --> 01:05:15,599
and the TechStack report is here and

1144
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:19,719
it looks like they're just continuing to work on the uh the

1145
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:23,840
uh embankments and the you know flex

1146
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,480
base and all that so I haven't had any complaints on this

1147
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,480
project I have had complaints from the

1148
01:05:29,199 --> 01:05:32,710
from folks that are not interested in the state's desire to

1149
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:36,320
widen it to four lanes but

1150
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,010
I'll have the chance at the public meetings to have a

1151
01:05:41,010 --> 01:05:45,119
comment on it. I think that's all I have.

1152
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,239
Hope I got another under the window. Does anybody have

1153
01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:51,599
questions for John Polster?

1154
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:54,449
It's very nerve-wracking. Okay thank you John. He did great

1155
01:05:54,449 --> 01:05:54,719
.

1156
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:00,420
Okay we are on item E now. Receiver report and hold a

1157
01:06:00,420 --> 01:06:05,920
discussion regarding mobility improvements.

1158
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,869
Committee members uh Pre-Tam is going to give a short

1159
01:06:08,869 --> 01:06:10,960
presentation but just to give you a heads up

1160
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:16,550
at your uh at your August 26th retreat council retreat you

1161
01:06:16,550 --> 01:06:19,119
had requested uh gave staff direction

1162
01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:22,119
to look at some short-term improvements that would enhance

1163
01:06:22,119 --> 01:06:23,679
the mobility of our community

1164
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:26,010
and so these are some of the things that staff has been

1165
01:06:26,010 --> 01:06:27,679
looking at and so we're vetting those

1166
01:06:27,679 --> 01:06:31,059
projects and hope to bring these to you to give you a just

1167
01:06:31,059 --> 01:06:32,800
inform you and then bring it to the

1168
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:38,989
full council at a future work session. All right given the

1169
01:06:38,989 --> 01:06:41,760
time um I have a few slides I can go

1170
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,800
through um but let's start with the actual list and this is

1171
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,480
a list of intersections or and or

1172
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,949
street segments and and or studies different things that

1173
01:06:54,949 --> 01:06:57,360
are identified here and I'll talk

1174
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,710
a little bit about what service areas means and why we are

1175
01:07:00,710 --> 01:07:02,960
going this route and we've arranged

1176
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,940
it this way but we've we're looking at about 22 things here

1177
01:07:06,940 --> 01:07:08,559
if you look down the list.

1178
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,050
Some of them are design projects which include widening of

1179
01:07:13,050 --> 01:07:16,079
streets some of them are short-term

1180
01:07:16,639 --> 01:07:19,650
adding turn lanes right turn lane left turn lane just to

1181
01:07:19,650 --> 01:07:22,320
improve capacity and get some immediate

1182
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,960
relief. Some of these projects are around hundred thousand

1183
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,239
hundred and fifty thousand dollar projects

1184
01:07:28,239 --> 01:07:31,460
which are quick fixes and when we started looking at all

1185
01:07:31,460 --> 01:07:33,440
these and looking at the amounts

1186
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,690
we started thinking of how we need to fund it and that's

1187
01:07:36,690 --> 01:07:38,800
where these service areas came in.

1188
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,480
We started looking at roadway impact fee and these are the

1189
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,440
different service areas A B C D E

1190
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,739
five service areas and we started categorizing what's

1191
01:07:49,739 --> 01:07:52,719
needed in each of these service areas

1192
01:07:52,719 --> 01:07:56,440
immediately other than what are already is going on through

1193
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,559
the textile projects of widening all

1194
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:03,929
these larger highways within the city. So under the first

1195
01:08:03,929 --> 01:08:06,719
area if you look at the area A there's

1196
01:08:06,719 --> 01:08:10,380
nothing out there barely any development going on but we do

1197
01:08:10,380 --> 01:08:12,639
have under mobility plan we do have

1198
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,119
some you know lines there those are primary and secondary

1199
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:20,560
highways they've looked at. We are

1200
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:24,199
looking at a big picture in the mobility plan for the whole

1201
01:08:24,199 --> 01:08:27,119
entire city but we didn't really focus on

1202
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:30,079
specifically this area so we're planning on doing is

1203
01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:32,560
conducting a circulation study that looks at

1204
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:37,130
how would you join some of these arterials and secondaries

1205
01:08:37,130 --> 01:08:38,640
you know how would you put in

1206
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,869
collectors what kind of access points and start better

1207
01:08:41,869 --> 01:08:44,319
defining so when developers come in they

1208
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,880
don't rule or they don't tell us what they're going to put

1209
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,479
in or how they're going to connect

1210
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,489
but we already have a plan to go and say this is how you

1211
01:08:51,489 --> 01:08:54,479
can address it and this is how we can

1212
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,000
better develop our infrastructure and circulation. So that

1213
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,119
's the first service area and circulation

1214
01:09:01,119 --> 01:09:03,850
study is something that we immediately need it's about 40

1215
01:09:03,850 --> 01:09:05,760
000 dollars that we'll need there.

1216
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:10,550
The second area is area B it's the area to the south it's

1217
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:12,720
developing pretty fast and

1218
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,720
if you look at the first improvement it's the country club

1219
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,239
road and Ryan everyone knows there

1220
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:22,960
are about three intersections on country club the hickory

1221
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,399
creek is number two and then the top most

1222
01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:31,159
which is Hobson lane right there under that B. Hobson lane

1223
01:09:31,159 --> 01:09:33,600
at country club is going to get

1224
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:38,039
modified it's going to improve as part of 377 widening

1225
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:40,960
project which is soon going under

1226
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,399
construction I think John mentioned some something about it

1227
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:47,279
. Council member Briggs just can you

1228
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:50,939
remind me the impact fees they're collected they have to be

1229
01:09:50,939 --> 01:09:53,039
used within that certain area

1230
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:55,470
is that correct so that's what we're talking about here

1231
01:09:55,470 --> 01:09:57,520
dividing them up that means those fees were

1232
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,739
collected and they need to be spent in that area. Correct

1233
01:10:00,739 --> 01:10:02,960
and there's a specific amount within the

1234
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,079
area collected and that only goes to improvement stores

1235
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:08,880
that's why we are going based on the areas

1236
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,720
of service so we've identified each of these improvements

1237
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:12,880
within service areas.

1238
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,720
All right and then if you look at the improvements they're

1239
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,880
about 100 150 000 dollars just to turn

1240
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:27,930
lanes on hickory creek and ryan road it will definitely

1241
01:10:27,930 --> 01:10:30,479
improve circulation and get the left

1242
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,109
turners out of the lane and you know make a better

1243
01:10:33,109 --> 01:10:37,439
functioning intersection. The other two the number

1244
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,770
three and four are design projects these are sections that

1245
01:10:40,770 --> 01:10:43,680
are missing we need to design them

1246
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:50,520
first widening Robinson road between 2181 and just east of

1247
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,760
it where the development starts it's

1248
01:10:54,880 --> 01:11:00,640
it's this area that's marked here this area and so between

1249
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,479
2499 and 2181 is where we don't have a

1250
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,840
widened Robinson road so we need to design it first and

1251
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,159
then we'll move forward with the

1252
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:13,960
construction part and later on but the second one is also

1253
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,479
designed the next one is hickory creek

1254
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,329
road we have a small section that connects to 2499 that's

1255
01:11:20,329 --> 01:11:22,000
not designed it's not widened

1256
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,119
widening is not designed at this point council member cragg

1257
01:11:25,119 --> 01:11:28,960
ie the funding for

1258
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:34,859
Robinson road and one for hickory creek would it would that

1259
01:11:34,859 --> 01:11:37,039
be in a bond election

1260
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,390
and not to to happen or has it already been included in a

1261
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:41,680
previous one election

1262
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,619
the funding has not been included in the okay no and you

1263
01:11:46,619 --> 01:11:48,479
don't anticipate getting enough funding

1264
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,840
from the road impact fees to do a project of that nature no

1265
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,000
so that's why we're more focused on

1266
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,640
getting the design completed so when we go for bond

1267
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,520
election we have a better idea of what's needed

1268
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,479
we have better estimates and everything is we're lined we

1269
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,560
're lining ourselves to get the money all

1270
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,899
right thank you um the next the last one is the uh signal

1271
01:12:08,899 --> 01:12:12,880
ization at hickory creek and 2499 at some

1272
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,569
point once it's widened even when once it's open we might

1273
01:12:16,569 --> 01:12:19,359
run into some higher volumes just because

1274
01:12:19,359 --> 01:12:22,960
there's a lot of neighborhoods that access this part of h

1275
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,359
ickory creek they can directly connect

1276
01:12:25,359 --> 01:12:29,090
to 2499 which is going to be a pretty much a regional

1277
01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:31,760
connector north and south once it opens

1278
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,600
so we might have to look at this in a near future and that

1279
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,239
's why that was identified there are other

1280
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:42,810
improvements along 2181 part of the uh text art project 377

1281
01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:45,520
part of text art project so a bunch of

1282
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,659
the near-term improvements or short-term improvements will

1283
01:12:48,659 --> 01:12:51,520
be addressed with these two major projects

1284
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:55,319
but the we're also looking at some other intersection

1285
01:12:55,319 --> 01:12:57,520
improvements that are needed

1286
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:01,489
next service areas area c um the first one is carolyn sh

1287
01:13:01,489 --> 01:13:03,840
erman there's a lot of people that go

1288
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,850
northbound on carolyn want to go towards sherman i think

1289
01:13:07,850 --> 01:13:11,199
the intersection is right here it's right

1290
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:14,850
barely in the area but majority of the traffic comes in and

1291
01:13:14,850 --> 01:13:16,960
wants to take sherman to go north

1292
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,930
and that's a movement that needs to be fixed and we have a

1293
01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:24,479
plan that we think might work but better

1294
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,989
signal and better capacity for left and right turn

1295
01:13:27,989 --> 01:13:32,319
movements and that would take about 425 000

1296
01:13:32,319 --> 01:13:37,369
dollars to fix that intersection the next one is locust elm

1297
01:13:37,369 --> 01:13:40,640
and 77 this is actually a design and

1298
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:45,689
analysis the intersection of where locust elm and 77 meet

1299
01:13:45,689 --> 01:13:47,920
it's a it's a kind of a weird

1300
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:53,199
intersection where one way's elm begins a one way and then

1301
01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:56,479
locust kind of ends in one way we're

1302
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:00,060
looking at a better design we will analyze it and design it

1303
01:14:00,060 --> 01:14:03,359
so that traffic flows smoothly then

1304
01:14:03,359 --> 01:14:07,729
windsor i'm sorry hercules and locust is another section

1305
01:14:07,729 --> 01:14:10,880
this part of hercules doesn't exist but

1306
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,260
as part of recent development projects in that area it's

1307
01:14:14,260 --> 01:14:17,439
going to be built in so the intersection

1308
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:21,590
of locust and hercules is definitely we need to add turn

1309
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:24,239
lanes left turns both directions

1310
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:28,399
do you have a council member uh regarding hercules and loc

1311
01:14:28,399 --> 01:14:31,920
ust well over a year ago a

1312
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,789
resident that lives in the neighborhood uh where the

1313
01:14:35,789 --> 01:14:39,199
western part of hercules is came to us

1314
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:44,390
um what's it called north point uh just talking about the

1315
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:47,039
fact that there is only one way in and

1316
01:14:47,039 --> 01:14:50,550
out and we were told that that street was going to be

1317
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:53,520
connected and my understanding is there's no

1318
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:59,369
agreement yet on getting that done can can you give us some

1319
01:14:59,369 --> 01:15:02,079
kind of timeline or or

1320
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,859
and and does the city own the right-of-way for that for

1321
01:15:05,859 --> 01:15:08,720
that uh street or what's the story there the

1322
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,930
story is um we are currently talking to the developer that

1323
01:15:12,930 --> 01:15:15,119
has come up with a submitted a

1324
01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:20,539
plan for the south side of hercules but just west of locust

1325
01:15:20,539 --> 01:15:24,479
so the whole area north of mckinney i can

1326
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:28,640
pull in a second

1327
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,189
side note i really love the pretend just use bing to get to

1328
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:56,159
google maps

1329
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:07,279
and it went away i guess it's going to give us some trouble

1330
01:16:07,279 --> 01:16:11,600
so uh we're talking about this parcel

1331
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:16,189
this parcel just came in there in the uh planning process

1332
01:16:16,189 --> 01:16:18,239
we've requested a traffic analysis and

1333
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:21,670
they're working through that but the developer also has

1334
01:16:21,670 --> 01:16:24,079
interest in developing this property

1335
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,880
and there is another parcel here so they're talking about

1336
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,560
coming in as a first phase and

1337
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:35,609
then second and third and as part of these two this entire

1338
01:16:35,609 --> 01:16:38,640
roadway will be designed and built

1339
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:42,060
by single entity of course the participation will be

1340
01:16:42,060 --> 01:16:44,880
figured out as far as you know how much developer

1341
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,310
pays in depending on their roadway impact fees and what

1342
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:50,880
kind of credits they get is part of that but

1343
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,100
uh developer has agreed to design and construct this link

1344
01:16:54,100 --> 01:16:56,239
would that be considered a perimeter

1345
01:16:56,239 --> 01:17:00,119
street it is a perimeter street and from what i remember in

1346
01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:02,640
our discussions perimeter streets

1347
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,829
are the developer could get credit for those in as far as

1348
01:17:06,829 --> 01:17:10,479
the road impact fee uh that's what

1349
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:16,670
is being talked about okay so i'm jumping again sorry so um

1350
01:17:16,670 --> 01:17:20,159
what is going to happen is the

1351
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:23,689
development is going to connect into this street as well as

1352
01:17:23,689 --> 01:17:25,840
doors so both these are going to go

1353
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:30,000
into this whole new subdivision i think there are about 180

1354
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,079
houses in this first lot and then

1355
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:36,489
further more houses down here and a connection here so they

1356
01:17:36,489 --> 01:17:39,039
are currently working on the traffic

1357
01:17:39,039 --> 01:17:41,960
impact studies and once we get that but this intersection

1358
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:43,760
if you look at it doesn't have any

1359
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,479
turn lanes going left turn so that needs to be improved uh

1360
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,760
we've already identified we'll work

1361
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,159
if the traffic study comes back and requires that we'll

1362
01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:54,239
work with the developer to put that in

1363
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:56,989
if it doesn't then we definitely need to identify funds on

1364
01:17:56,989 --> 01:17:58,960
our end too and then one more on that

1365
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,520
with connecting that when hercules gets connected that's

1366
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,079
going to put an awful lot more uh

1367
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,359
residential traffic going out on north locust street which

1368
01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:12,399
is a state facility right correct

1369
01:18:14,399 --> 01:18:15,439
and pollsters left

1370
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:22,079
what uh is is that in the queue for any kind of uh

1371
01:18:22,079 --> 01:18:26,079
addressing uh the the width in order to handle

1372
01:18:26,079 --> 01:18:30,649
the the future traffic because there's a development going

1373
01:18:30,649 --> 01:18:34,640
on north of the uh loop that will probably

1374
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:38,800
impact that also correct so part of their tia is going to

1375
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,600
look at intersection here because

1376
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,949
people are going to cut through and there will be a signal

1377
01:18:43,949 --> 01:18:45,760
ized intersection and negotiate has been

1378
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,880
currently constructed it will look at this connection this

1379
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,000
connection and then this whole

1380
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,609
interchange so uh that traffic impact study will tell us

1381
01:18:55,609 --> 01:18:58,800
how much traffic is being diverted and

1382
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,239
what kind of impacts are you going to look at and once the

1383
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:04,399
development goes in but the development

1384
01:19:04,399 --> 01:19:09,779
that's that's north of loop 288 and directly west of the

1385
01:19:09,779 --> 01:19:13,199
the gonzalez school

1386
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:18,529
has is is currently going in and right now they're all

1387
01:19:18,529 --> 01:19:20,720
going off onto um

1388
01:19:23,119 --> 01:19:29,960
are they going to connect into 2164 this is the parcel that

1389
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:31,760
is being developed they're currently

1390
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:36,289
uh connecting off of stewart there's no direct connection

1391
01:19:36,289 --> 01:19:38,000
on this side okay

1392
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,270
i'm not aware of future phases but at this point i know

1393
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:45,520
that this is the only parcel that was

1394
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,640
developed and it's in two phases they just completed the

1395
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,039
first phase steward doesn't go all the way

1396
01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:56,720
through okay yes uh on a on a side note yes taut just

1397
01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:01,119
reminded me that we are talking to

1398
01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:07,369
um cog about this whole area and a connection or even uh

1399
01:20:07,369 --> 01:20:11,119
talking about outer loop cog was

1400
01:20:11,119 --> 01:20:15,149
involved in the outer loop study and alternatives and one

1401
01:20:15,149 --> 01:20:17,840
of the alternatives was to bring in um

1402
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:22,289
down this path down 428 and then used part of 288 and

1403
01:20:22,289 --> 01:20:25,439
connect to 35 that would be part of their

1404
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:29,609
outer loop for the entire dfw region and they're looking at

1405
01:20:29,609 --> 01:20:32,319
options there are different alignments

1406
01:20:32,319 --> 01:20:35,130
that would connect to 35 but they're looking we're also

1407
01:20:35,130 --> 01:20:38,640
looking at this alternative as an outer loop

1408
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:43,590
so okay i'm sorry i'm getting too depth so going back to

1409
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:47,119
the presentation we're on air let me just

1410
01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:53,310
wrap it up in service area d we have uh sherwin and loop 28

1411
01:20:53,310 --> 01:20:56,960
8 one of the things there is the lanes

1412
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,850
are misaligned they're not definitely aligned with each

1413
01:20:59,850 --> 01:21:02,079
other they the through lanes left turn lanes

1414
01:21:02,079 --> 01:21:04,899
right turn lanes don't align what we are going to do is add

1415
01:21:04,899 --> 01:21:06,960
some asphalt to widen it a little bit

1416
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,979
and make sure that they align long and steward it comes in

1417
01:21:10,979 --> 01:21:13,039
as a weird angle i think long goes

1418
01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:15,569
south a little bit and connects us to work we need to

1419
01:21:15,569 --> 01:21:17,600
change that angle because we're getting

1420
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:21,560
complaints about the side distance so that's one of the

1421
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,920
quick fixes we need to realign it

1422
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:27,430
university noddingham and old north i think council member

1423
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:29,119
brings is very aware of those

1424
01:21:29,119 --> 01:21:32,239
left turn missings and they're shared and all that so we've

1425
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:34,239
identified that we need to fix those

1426
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:38,119
in the short term so as the funding becomes available you

1427
01:21:38,119 --> 01:21:40,560
know start addressing these with

1428
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:44,109
the design and construction and then loop 288 and

1429
01:21:44,109 --> 01:21:46,800
university i think uh texas is already working on

1430
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:53,180
that part so we'll probably drop this one eventually next

1431
01:21:53,180 --> 01:21:57,039
one is the last area is area e and this is

1432
01:21:57,039 --> 01:22:02,090
where most of the city is completely developed and um we're

1433
01:22:02,090 --> 01:22:04,560
looking at major intersections that

1434
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:08,399
require upgrade but we identify what's the interim quick

1435
01:22:08,399 --> 01:22:11,199
fixes so for example bell and mckinney we're

1436
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:15,699
talking about adding a northbound right turn lane uh along

1437
01:22:15,699 --> 01:22:18,239
bell that would help us uh address some

1438
01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:21,590
of it our main need is north and south left turn lanes but

1439
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:23,840
that's going to take a whole lot more

1440
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:30,300
money not 120k loop 288 and colorado is extending the left

1441
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:33,840
turn from colorado onto the loop

1442
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:38,760
if you're coming from the side of the mall golden triangle

1443
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,760
mall and then you're hitting the loop

1444
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,399
that left turn extends all the way into the through lanes

1445
01:22:44,399 --> 01:22:47,840
so quickly within 200 000 we can

1446
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,619
extend dual left turns all the way back if we can we're

1447
01:22:51,619 --> 01:22:54,560
trying and we'll find that out but if we can

1448
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,899
close the access to the mall that's something that would

1449
01:22:57,899 --> 01:23:01,039
really help that intersection that would be

1450
01:23:01,039 --> 01:23:05,000
part of this intersection mckinney woodrow is another one

1451
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,439
putting in um adding right turn lane

1452
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:13,630
there um loop 288 and mckinney uh there are some turn lane

1453
01:23:13,630 --> 01:23:15,520
additions i think we're adding a

1454
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,170
northbound right turn lane uh similar turn lane additions

1455
01:23:19,170 --> 01:23:21,920
at t's lee and 77 and lake we've shady

1456
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:26,970
shores so that's that so this is the same table and any

1457
01:23:26,970 --> 01:23:29,920
questions discussion councilman so you

1458
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:34,060
talked about the road impact fees as a way of paying for

1459
01:23:34,060 --> 01:23:36,880
this is there an amount of money already

1460
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,979
that you are i mean are these prioritized um they were

1461
01:23:40,979 --> 01:23:43,920
listed one two three does that mean that

1462
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:48,970
once the is that the priority of the projects or so uh they

1463
01:23:48,970 --> 01:23:52,000
were listed in that order but um

1464
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:58,649
oops currently there is no uh we don't have an associated

1465
01:23:58,649 --> 01:24:01,199
priority for these um as far as when

1466
01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:03,710
the money comes in within the within each service areas

1467
01:24:03,710 --> 01:24:05,600
they are kind of prioritized and we have

1468
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:11,250
about 100 and anywhere between 100 000 and 150 000 in some

1469
01:24:11,250 --> 01:24:13,439
of these service areas the areas that

1470
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,090
see larger developments such as area b which is on the

1471
01:24:16,090 --> 01:24:18,640
south side it's collecting more money or some

1472
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,939
of the other areas that are collecting more money so they

1473
01:24:20,939 --> 01:24:22,640
some of the areas are getting more money

1474
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:26,479
and we can start using that towards putting in turn lanes

1475
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,600
because i do know that in um our area

1476
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:34,880
there's three new housing developments coming in correct so

1477
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,000
okay and part of it is once the they

1478
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,359
come in they don't immediately put in money by the time

1479
01:24:41,359 --> 01:24:44,159
they put in money and they're realized

1480
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:47,670
it takes a while so it probably take a few at least a few

1481
01:24:47,670 --> 01:24:49,760
months to get to the money to be

1482
01:24:50,319 --> 01:24:53,100
deposited with the city and so will it be this committee

1483
01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:54,880
that gets an update on

1484
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,789
these projects as they go and get funded okay thank you if

1485
01:24:58,789 --> 01:25:01,359
i may one of the things that we're

1486
01:25:01,359 --> 01:25:04,659
doing as staff is we're working with the city manager um

1487
01:25:04,659 --> 01:25:07,039
the capital improvements transportation

1488
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:11,119
um wet water wastewater we're going through all of our cip

1489
01:25:11,119 --> 01:25:14,560
and scouring through those projects

1490
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:18,569
making sure a where are we on a schedule knowing that some

1491
01:25:18,569 --> 01:25:21,279
projects are behind schedule we also

1492
01:25:21,279 --> 01:25:24,399
realize that some of our funding is getting eroded by

1493
01:25:24,399 --> 01:25:27,520
inflation over the last number of years so

1494
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,250
we're going through those projects making sure that that

1495
01:25:30,250 --> 01:25:32,479
those things are appropriately prioritized

1496
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,869
and those that are underfunded that we try to find the

1497
01:25:34,869 --> 01:25:36,720
appropriate funding whether it's to the

1498
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,229
council of governments whether it's prioritizing old

1499
01:25:39,229 --> 01:25:41,119
projects that have been on the list that

1500
01:25:41,119 --> 01:25:44,470
that may need to be the funding may need to be shifted to

1501
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:46,560
create capacity for those projects

1502
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,270
that need to be need to be started and completed in the

1503
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:52,079
near in the near term so we're working

1504
01:25:52,079 --> 01:25:54,409
through these these were just identified with the last few

1505
01:25:54,409 --> 01:25:56,159
weeks and so we're working through these

1506
01:25:56,159 --> 01:25:58,180
and when we're visiting with the city manager along with

1507
01:25:58,180 --> 01:25:59,840
the finance department to see what

1508
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:04,250
monies are available to get these things across the finish

1509
01:26:04,250 --> 01:26:06,479
line it was a great list thank you

1510
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:12,260
thank you okay thank you pre-dem next item is item f staff

1511
01:26:12,260 --> 01:26:16,079
reports number one is the dcta october

1512
01:26:16,079 --> 01:26:20,670
cat meeting madam chair on the next uh two or three here i

1513
01:26:20,670 --> 01:26:23,520
'll if there's any specific questions

1514
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,039
to those otherwise i can move uh directly on the number

1515
01:26:26,039 --> 01:26:28,079
four understanding our time constraints

1516
01:26:28,079 --> 01:26:31,899
are there any questions about one two or three yes i i have

1517
01:26:31,899 --> 01:26:34,079
a comment about bike share

1518
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:40,170
is that an um okay so on the bike share um i know that

1519
01:26:40,170 --> 01:26:43,279
staff recommended we don't do anything

1520
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:48,539
but i would like to ask this committee to do something at

1521
01:26:48,539 --> 01:26:51,039
this point see dallas has three

1522
01:26:51,039 --> 01:26:53,699
of the companies and if you can imagine three different

1523
01:26:53,699 --> 01:26:55,760
companies and are with bikes everywhere

1524
01:26:55,760 --> 01:27:00,229
i mean i think that um i i know i've i've received some

1525
01:27:00,229 --> 01:27:02,800
complaints about the bikes being in right of

1526
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:09,100
way and um the police as well and so um i i want to say i

1527
01:27:09,100 --> 01:27:12,319
am a fan of them i think they're great

1528
01:27:12,319 --> 01:27:15,560
for our city i guess i should have prefaced that um but i i

1529
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:17,920
have also heard them referred to as

1530
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:23,029
expensive litter um when they're not appropriately placed

1531
01:27:23,029 --> 01:27:26,640
and so um we just may need to address um

1532
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:30,020
address some rules or uh timing of the bike placements

1533
01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:32,159
there's been one on a clear creek

1534
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:35,840
for several weeks i mean you know that's a natural area and

1535
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,199
that's just kind of not nice to look at

1536
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:42,949
so right well and you know that's how a bike a dockless

1537
01:27:42,949 --> 01:27:45,279
bike share works you know they can

1538
01:27:45,279 --> 01:27:48,409
return the bike wherever they're they're ride in so

1539
01:27:48,409 --> 01:27:51,119
possibly somebody picked them up out of clear

1540
01:27:51,119 --> 01:27:54,130
creek um and when i talked to v bikes they said they do re

1541
01:27:54,130 --> 01:27:56,880
balance the bikes um two to three times

1542
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,729
a day usually in the morning or in the evening to avoid

1543
01:28:00,729 --> 01:28:03,520
pedestrians but definitely um what

1544
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,640
dallas is working towards is creating some sort of permit

1545
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,640
process for them similar to what seattle

1546
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:12,020
has been doing because seattle has this dockless bike share

1547
01:28:12,020 --> 01:28:14,560
as well and that was their recommendation

1548
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,989
when i talked to them last week that they were working

1549
01:28:16,989 --> 01:28:18,800
towards a permit program that would

1550
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:22,130
include a few rules about making sure people aren't parking

1551
01:28:22,130 --> 01:28:23,920
them on the sidewalks that each

1552
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:27,789
business because they're private businesses that each of

1553
01:28:27,789 --> 01:28:30,399
them would have sort of flyers or handouts

1554
01:28:30,399 --> 01:28:32,729
that they would give to people who are using those bike

1555
01:28:32,729 --> 01:28:34,880
shares right yeah because we don't let food

1556
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:38,000
trucks park on the sidewalks right yeah so get currently in

1557
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,760
dallas so letting all three of them

1558
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:43,960
operate um just right now while the city themselves works

1559
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,640
on sort of some sort of permit process

1560
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,140
i'm calling it sort of which is a gentleman's agreement

1561
01:28:49,140 --> 01:28:50,479
right now that this will be in the

1562
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:53,439
works it would be my hope that we try to do something

1563
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:55,680
similar follow through and we get ahead

1564
01:28:55,680 --> 01:29:00,319
of it instead of you know trying to to catch up right i don

1565
01:29:00,319 --> 01:29:02,880
't know if how if anybody else

1566
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,520
feels on that but that's just how i feel

1567
01:29:08,319 --> 01:29:12,640
head nodding um so i guess the the direction that you're

1568
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,760
going in is to have a formalized

1569
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:20,930
process as opposed to well just some rules or permitting

1570
01:29:20,930 --> 01:29:23,840
some something okay yeah that's great

1571
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,350
yeah because feedbacks they just showed up um but we met

1572
01:29:26,350 --> 01:29:28,319
with spin a couple weeks ago and they're

1573
01:29:28,319 --> 01:29:31,020
asking permission before they come right so i told them i

1574
01:29:31,020 --> 01:29:32,880
was meeting with you guys all today and

1575
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,750
then i would have some more feedback for him so right and i

1576
01:29:36,750 --> 01:29:39,039
think the more we have the better but

1577
01:29:39,039 --> 01:29:41,819
i i would like to have some kind of structure in place so

1578
01:29:41,819 --> 01:29:44,479
they're just not everywhere like an

1579
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,369
amount of bikes per i don't know if that's you can regulate

1580
01:29:47,369 --> 01:29:50,960
per company or i think seattle does okay

1581
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:54,079
um have you spoken with the legal department about

1582
01:29:54,079 --> 01:29:57,520
potential ordinances or yes i spoke to our legal

1583
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,279
department last week said there's no need for us to sign

1584
01:30:00,279 --> 01:30:02,319
any agreement that they themselves are

1585
01:30:02,319 --> 01:30:06,119
submitting to us but there is a code i don't remember if it

1586
01:30:06,119 --> 01:30:08,079
was texas code or our code here

1587
01:30:08,079 --> 01:30:11,510
that we are allowed to regulate anybody in the public right

1588
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:13,359
of way so if there was a petty cab

1589
01:30:13,359 --> 01:30:16,479
or anything else we are allowed to regulate that and uh so

1590
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:18,479
he recommended we probably at some point

1591
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,789
would like to do a permit process that's what legal

1592
01:30:21,789 --> 01:30:24,560
recommended yes so do the bikes i haven't

1593
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:28,880
looked that closely to see do they have a toll-free number

1594
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,439
i don't know if they have a number there is a

1595
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,399
number or you can when i asked the bikes they said anybody

1596
01:30:34,399 --> 01:30:36,239
can contact them through their social

1597
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:40,329
media page so their twitter facebook okay but if they have

1598
01:30:40,329 --> 01:30:42,880
or there's a 65 year old person

1599
01:30:43,359 --> 01:30:48,779
you have to snapchat that is uh and sees a bicycle laying

1600
01:30:48,779 --> 01:30:50,399
out there and they want to call

1601
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,390
the there is a number yes there is a phone number i don't

1602
01:30:53,390 --> 01:30:55,600
know if it's on the bike call them and say

1603
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:00,079
well if it's not on the bike i'm not gonna right i haven't

1604
01:31:00,079 --> 01:31:02,560
looked that closely at the bikes either

1605
01:31:03,279 --> 01:31:06,000
i would think that that that's what we would want to

1606
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,800
require uh that that if if somebody has a bike

1607
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,500
that's that's in their yard or in their neighborhood and

1608
01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:15,600
they don't want it right there in their yard

1609
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:20,649
right or or that they have an easy way without having to

1610
01:31:20,649 --> 01:31:22,560
navigate um the interweb

1611
01:31:24,159 --> 01:31:27,390
to to to get somebody to to when they're rebalancing

1612
01:31:27,390 --> 01:31:30,880
bicycles to right so maybe if i

1613
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,720
can kind of synthesize what we're talking about i think

1614
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:35,840
what we would like to see is some options

1615
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:39,439
for regulation from our legal department maybe looking at

1616
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,520
what we've done and what has been done

1617
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:45,850
in other places um legal status report or work session you

1618
01:31:45,850 --> 01:31:48,560
're gonna send it up to the main council

1619
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,159
yeah i think maybe let's have a work session item on it

1620
01:31:52,159 --> 01:31:55,920
yeah as far as legal options for

1621
01:31:55,920 --> 01:32:00,060
regulating the bikes okay uh go ahead and to maybe see if

1622
01:32:00,060 --> 01:32:02,079
there are other people that have

1623
01:32:02,079 --> 01:32:05,250
heard other concerns that they want to be considered in any

1624
01:32:05,250 --> 01:32:07,439
kind of a permitting process i think we're

1625
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:11,329
gonna have more and more of the bike shares and just kind

1626
01:32:11,329 --> 01:32:13,520
of maybe everything shares so

1627
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:16,310
maybe we have to just think about how sharing economy

1628
01:32:16,310 --> 01:32:17,600
affects our right away

1629
01:32:19,279 --> 01:32:24,329
yes sharing is caring yeah okay um any other questions on

1630
01:32:24,329 --> 01:32:27,039
numbers one two or three on item f

1631
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,229
if not then i think mark you can go ahead to the new new

1632
01:32:31,229 --> 01:32:34,159
business matrix great i'm going to take

1633
01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:41,869
items five six eight uh and nine just hit those and then um

1634
01:32:41,869 --> 01:32:44,079
we'll come back and allow pre-tem and

1635
01:32:44,079 --> 01:32:46,680
todd estes to cover some of the other items okay you have

1636
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:48,479
about 30 seconds i'm joking

1637
01:32:50,399 --> 01:32:53,050
five minutes is what you have item item five which is the h

1638
01:32:53,050 --> 01:32:55,680
ickory street uh streetscape

1639
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:59,050
enhancements and sidewalks we'll uh planning to bring a

1640
01:32:59,050 --> 01:33:02,399
report back in um in november on that

1641
01:33:02,399 --> 01:33:06,189
with some costs etc uh item six which is the uh safe routes

1642
01:33:06,189 --> 01:33:08,640
to school we'll have a an update

1643
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:12,529
in november on the ranking uh project of those projects uh

1644
01:33:12,529 --> 01:33:14,560
item eight which is the update on

1645
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,119
the green ribbon program mediums on university drive we

1646
01:33:17,119 --> 01:33:20,640
included a uh staff report in in the

1647
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,060
backup today i'll go ahead and remove that one off the list

1648
01:33:23,060 --> 01:33:24,560
if that's a that's appropriate at

1649
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,949
this point in time likewise item number nine is now on the

1650
01:33:27,949 --> 01:33:30,000
list on your own system report which

1651
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:34,189
is the northbound loop 288 eastbound uh right hand turn

1652
01:33:34,189 --> 01:33:37,119
lane so uh with that i'll turn it over to

1653
01:33:37,119 --> 01:33:40,630
pre-tem uh to begin discussion on item seven unless there's

1654
01:33:40,630 --> 01:33:42,319
uh any questions quick question

1655
01:33:42,319 --> 01:33:45,460
about the safe routes to school is that for the future

1656
01:33:45,460 --> 01:33:47,680
application or for current projects

1657
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:52,760
i believe perhaps the question last time was about finding

1658
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,039
projects that we could rank from the safe

1659
01:33:55,039 --> 01:33:58,289
routes to school plan that we have now um if that's what

1660
01:33:58,289 --> 01:34:00,319
you're looking for i can go through the

1661
01:34:00,319 --> 01:34:03,840
safe routes to school plan that we have none of them have

1662
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:06,800
cost estimates the the plan didn't have

1663
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,920
cost estimates so if you want specifically cost estimates

1664
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:11,600
for any top three of our safe routes

1665
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,500
to school or i can i can include all the safe routes to

1666
01:34:14,500 --> 01:34:17,279
school projects in our sidewalk list

1667
01:34:17,279 --> 01:34:20,979
if you think that would be a better solution maybe one way

1668
01:34:20,979 --> 01:34:23,199
to do it i'm just i don't know what the

1669
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:26,899
best way to do it is but perhaps if we on our sidewalk list

1670
01:34:26,899 --> 01:34:28,800
we demarcate which ones are

1671
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:31,439
side safe routes to school eligible i don't know if that's

1672
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:33,199
something that we're already doing

1673
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:38,029
yeah i can easily make a note somewhere that a star an a

1674
01:34:38,029 --> 01:34:40,239
sterisk this one is a safe routes to

1675
01:34:40,239 --> 01:34:45,289
school project i think that's probably what we would need

1676
01:34:45,289 --> 01:34:47,840
okay great okay pre-tem again okay

1677
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:51,859
here we go number item number seven robinson road i like

1678
01:34:51,859 --> 01:34:54,720
maps it's really hard to talk to a paper

1679
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:58,560
so uh we are talking about this gap closure or this

1680
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:02,720
bottleneck issue when 2499 was

1681
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:07,770
um constructed and part of the text up plans the typically

1682
01:35:07,770 --> 01:35:10,239
text out only goes a certain hundred

1683
01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:13,760
feet east and west on side streets for development so what

1684
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,159
was happening is textile was supposed to

1685
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:21,109
go all the way on the city of denton side limits all the

1686
01:35:21,109 --> 01:35:23,840
way to join to this area but on this side

1687
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,359
they were going to leave it out halfway so this was the

1688
01:35:26,359 --> 01:35:28,720
bottom like we're talking about that text

1689
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,810
up um initially did not include in their plans but in

1690
01:35:32,810 --> 01:35:36,640
talking to um their project manager for the

1691
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:41,670
for 2499 project um and hearing decision complaints and

1692
01:35:41,670 --> 01:35:43,920
what city had to say and everyone

1693
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,930
they have decided they're going to go back and redo it this

1694
01:35:46,930 --> 01:35:49,119
portion lies in the city of corinth

1695
01:35:49,119 --> 01:35:52,109
and it would have been really difficult for us to go back

1696
01:35:52,109 --> 01:35:54,560
and do anything sign an error local

1697
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:57,289
agreement by the time it was done and said it would have

1698
01:35:57,289 --> 01:35:59,840
taken a long time so text dot has agreed to

1699
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,989
connect uh reduce or get rid of this bottleneck and get

1700
01:36:02,989 --> 01:36:05,520
this four lane all the way to this location

1701
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:08,470
and this is the project that i was talking about designing

1702
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:09,840
later on in the future but

1703
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:14,550
for now this issue has been eliminated there's no there

1704
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:17,279
will not be any bottleneck once the 2499

1705
01:36:17,279 --> 01:36:23,630
opens uh item number 10 is that the one yes item number 10

1706
01:36:23,630 --> 01:36:26,560
and tada is going to help me a little

1707
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:31,149
bit on that one i'll start with the uh pedestrian signals

1708
01:36:31,149 --> 01:36:34,640
we looked at a few different options for

1709
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:37,229
here and this was a request from council member braves

1710
01:36:37,229 --> 01:36:39,199
about um getting a pedestrian signal at

1711
01:36:39,199 --> 01:36:46,199
mckinney and mayhill and um currently it has temporary pole

1712
01:36:46,199 --> 01:36:49,920
signals and um let me get to that

1713
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,029
so if you look at it there are no sidewalks coming in on

1714
01:36:55,029 --> 01:36:57,199
either side there are no ramps

1715
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:02,119
and these are temp poles and let me just throw this guy out

1716
01:37:02,119 --> 01:37:06,159
there good lord so this is the

1717
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:11,909
signal we're talking about and see the sidewalk ends here

1718
01:37:11,909 --> 01:37:15,520
there are no ramps typically when we

1719
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:19,479
put in pedestrian signals which have head push buttons and

1720
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:21,600
pet heads which are those blinking

1721
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:25,180
guys uh we typically recommend putting in the um ada

1722
01:37:25,180 --> 01:37:27,840
compliant ramps we don't want to install

1723
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:31,199
something that is not ada compliant because we're

1724
01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:34,479
installing it new for this particular one we do

1725
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,279
have an option we have the mayhill project coming in that's

1726
01:37:37,279 --> 01:37:39,119
going to tie it down to this as well as

1727
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:44,380
the mckinney project that's under design or starting design

1728
01:37:44,380 --> 01:37:46,880
soon so long term in a few years

1729
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:50,010
definitely this will be an upgrade intersection short term

1730
01:37:50,010 --> 01:37:52,000
i've looked at some of the cost if we

1731
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:56,239
just put in the signal pet heads and put in push buttons no

1732
01:37:56,239 --> 01:37:59,600
ada ramps no ada compliant we're talking

1733
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:03,239
about three four thousand dollar cost to install that and

1734
01:38:03,239 --> 01:38:05,600
that would be a temporary situation

1735
01:38:06,399 --> 01:38:09,380
mind me i mean it won't be ada compliant but it it is

1736
01:38:09,380 --> 01:38:11,680
something that would work for kids that

1737
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:15,149
are actually walking to school today the other option is

1738
01:38:15,149 --> 01:38:17,520
putting in whole ada compliant ramps

1739
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:21,149
and everything but that will be taken out as part of these

1740
01:38:21,149 --> 01:38:23,920
two big projects and redone so that cost

1741
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,939
is about forty thousand dollars that will take three to

1742
01:38:26,939 --> 01:38:29,439
four thousand four months right and this was

1743
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,420
temporary i wanted to make sure that there was something

1744
01:38:32,420 --> 01:38:34,720
because i know that um as the design

1745
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:37,560
for mckinney we wanted to make sure that sidewalks may be

1746
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:40,079
implemented first and so maybe that part can

1747
01:38:40,079 --> 01:38:44,239
be part of that um first stage as well and i know that may

1748
01:38:44,239 --> 01:38:46,960
hill is being widening so i'm not looking

1749
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:50,079
for you know the ada ramps at the moment i just want to

1750
01:38:50,079 --> 01:38:52,479
make sure that the kids can push a button

1751
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:55,380
and the cars will stop for them to cause because right now

1752
01:38:55,380 --> 01:38:58,159
they're weaving in and out of cars

1753
01:38:58,159 --> 01:39:01,039
because the cars don't you're not paying attention to the

1754
01:39:01,039 --> 01:39:03,359
kids correct correct no and that that option

1755
01:39:03,359 --> 01:39:06,079
is about three to four thousand dollars it probably take

1756
01:39:06,079 --> 01:39:07,600
about three to four weeks for

1757
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,340
someone to go out there and put the pet heads in can we

1758
01:39:11,340 --> 01:39:14,239
fast track this because i was there yesterday

1759
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:18,289
and there were kids all over the street like in between

1760
01:39:18,289 --> 01:39:21,680
cars it was it's insane okay yeah we we

1761
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:25,590
can we can definitely fast track this do you have something

1762
01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:27,840
to add or i think we have it on answer

1763
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,439
okay thank you

1764
01:39:36,239 --> 01:39:39,359
we are doing the very best we can to accelerate the

1765
01:39:39,359 --> 01:39:42,720
sidewalk from loop 288 over to the high school

1766
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:46,399
we have uh the temporary i think my phone is catching that

1767
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:52,329
sorry uh we're accelerating that construction so that we

1768
01:39:52,329 --> 01:39:53,760
will have it in place by the beginning

1769
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,939
of next school year so yeah there's an interim step that

1770
01:39:55,939 --> 01:39:57,439
absolutely we can put in to help make

1771
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:00,710
the intersection better putting the pet hens in but the

1772
01:40:00,710 --> 01:40:02,800
temp the sidewalk that we'll be putting

1773
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:06,130
in will be more temporary but it will provide a pathway and

1774
01:40:06,130 --> 01:40:08,159
then what we're also working on

1775
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:10,960
is working with the contractor that's working the mayhill

1776
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:14,239
job accelerating the actual phasing for

1777
01:40:14,239 --> 01:40:16,739
the intersection at mayhill and mckinney so that you get a

1778
01:40:16,739 --> 01:40:18,560
fully signalized intersection the problem

1779
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:22,899
we always run into is once we start putting anything in

1780
01:40:22,899 --> 01:40:26,000
that provides a i'm trying to think

1781
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:29,699
of the best way to put it is it becomes an accessibility

1782
01:40:29,699 --> 01:40:31,760
issue any in other words what the

1783
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:35,399
ada really tells us that act actually says if i provide

1784
01:40:35,399 --> 01:40:38,159
access for somebody i have to provide it

1785
01:40:38,159 --> 01:40:41,159
for everybody and once i start putting in any of these pet

1786
01:40:41,159 --> 01:40:43,199
heads or anything like that what i've

1787
01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:46,810
said is is this is our preferred route that you take i have

1788
01:40:46,810 --> 01:40:49,279
to provide that access for everybody

1789
01:40:50,079 --> 01:40:53,199
so whether you're able-bodied disabled i've got to be able

1790
01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:55,760
to provide that i run at risk if i put

1791
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:59,920
it in without that of being under some kind of enforcement

1792
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:02,239
or judgment against us there's

1793
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:05,939
potential lawsuits come after us so we're looking for we

1794
01:41:05,939 --> 01:41:09,279
can put some measures in absolutely but

1795
01:41:09,279 --> 01:41:11,770
we're also trying to accelerate all those other pieces so

1796
01:41:11,770 --> 01:41:13,600
we don't leave ourselves at risk either

1797
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,140
so i mean i'm sorry keely i'm gonna jump in real quick this

1798
01:41:16,140 --> 01:41:18,560
is not a long-term plan an ada

1799
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,680
accessibility is a part of the final plans for this

1800
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:24,720
intersection and for the entire area so

1801
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:29,470
i mean i guess i'm curious as to the actual liability

1802
01:41:29,470 --> 01:41:32,399
exposure because by the time any case

1803
01:41:32,399 --> 01:41:35,930
would line through the project would be complete and the

1804
01:41:35,930 --> 01:41:38,880
remedy would have already been accomplished

1805
01:41:39,279 --> 01:41:41,840
we're not saying that you do one or the other we're just

1806
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:43,680
trying to balance all the risks all

1807
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:47,189
at the same time we're trying to get signals out some kind

1808
01:41:47,189 --> 01:41:49,680
of pedestrian crossing out right now

1809
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:52,800
as fast as possible we're also looking for how do i

1810
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:55,199
accelerate all these other elements because as

1811
01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:57,670
soon as i start putting those items out there they do

1812
01:41:57,670 --> 01:42:02,319
become a potential liability so the safety of

1813
01:42:02,319 --> 01:42:04,640
everybody that's out there absolutely i want to try to

1814
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:06,800
protect anybody and everybody as fast as i

1815
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:09,720
possibly can but we're we're also trying to figure out how

1816
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:11,840
do i get all those elements in there that

1817
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:15,020
also keep us from putting somebody else potentially at risk

1818
01:42:15,020 --> 01:42:18,000
as well okay council member bricks so

1819
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:21,380
that's good if we put those cross it'll be a um a fast

1820
01:42:21,380 --> 01:42:24,079
track for the rest of the intersection

1821
01:42:24,079 --> 01:42:26,170
that'll make people right is that what you're saying that's

1822
01:42:26,170 --> 01:42:28,000
what we're trying to do is accelerate

1823
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:31,470
that as fast as possible to catch up well my other option

1824
01:42:31,470 --> 01:42:33,840
would be that we get an officer out there

1825
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:37,670
if you can't do anything else i believe we've already

1826
01:42:37,670 --> 01:42:40,560
talked to somebody that discussion's

1827
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:43,399
ongoing right now how do we get that would be minimum what

1828
01:42:43,399 --> 01:42:45,439
we should do absolutely okay okay

1829
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:48,710
and i'm not i'm failing at my first day as chair because we

1830
01:42:48,710 --> 01:42:50,640
're five minutes over and getting the

1831
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:55,689
hook so i've been told to wrap it up be i think there is

1832
01:42:55,689 --> 01:42:58,640
one important thing did you hear what i

1833
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:02,600
just said i did uh and i'm wrapping it up with this final

1834
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:05,279
comment uh you will increase i think

1835
01:43:05,279 --> 01:43:07,760
that that everybody has a right to express themselves any

1836
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:09,600
way they wish to but you will

1837
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:14,750
increase your credibility if you find a better lanyard to

1838
01:43:14,750 --> 01:43:19,840
wear a better lanyard uh you know this

1839
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:24,180
is university of north point of order pre-tem are you

1840
01:43:24,180 --> 01:43:27,359
complete two more items i do believe there is

1841
01:43:27,359 --> 01:43:33,550
equal opportunity for all to be employed right okay this is

1842
01:43:33,550 --> 01:43:39,279
why this right here quickly uh item

1843
01:43:39,279 --> 01:43:43,850
number 11 what's the status status doesn't look all that

1844
01:43:43,850 --> 01:43:46,720
great um this is a picture that was taken

1845
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:50,569
today and if you look at that's the new plaque educational

1846
01:43:50,569 --> 01:43:52,720
flag that we installed saying you

1847
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:55,840
know you shouldn't be within 30 feet of the stop sign and

1848
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:57,840
they're right underneath it and this is

1849
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:01,500
at normal and oak so we installed it about six locations we

1850
01:44:01,500 --> 01:44:03,680
've lost signage on two people have

1851
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:08,140
taken it down i don't know where it is and the others they

1852
01:44:08,140 --> 01:44:10,880
're not following so greg normal and

1853
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:14,529
miryetta they're right at the stop sign same same situation

1854
01:44:14,529 --> 01:44:17,199
so education apparently is not really

1855
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:21,439
working great so we have to look at other means well is

1856
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:24,720
there another means of like uh issuing a

1857
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:27,949
citation i think so this is the next step is wherever we

1858
01:44:27,949 --> 01:44:29,920
have the signs is we start issuing

1859
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:32,479
citation and they start noticing things yeah okay punish

1860
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:36,479
them what's the next one wow all right the

1861
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:40,789
last one was signal timing project and uh i was actually

1862
01:44:40,789 --> 01:44:43,920
going through uh some of the cog comments

1863
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:48,420
um they have a call in place i think it goes in uh end date

1864
01:44:48,420 --> 01:44:51,279
is october 13th for submitting them

1865
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:55,020
you know request for proposals for signal timing but we've

1866
01:44:55,020 --> 01:44:56,880
already we had submitted one back in

1867
01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:01,439
2013 um got the funding in 14th uh cog actually had a

1868
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:03,680
consultant on board and they're working

1869
01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:06,979
with the consultant and we're upgrading timings for about

1870
01:45:06,979 --> 01:45:10,880
75 to 80 signals within the city and

1871
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:14,840
uh that will go soon most likely spring to summer of next

1872
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:17,600
year is when they're planning on

1873
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:21,050
implementing most of these timings a lot of the issues

1874
01:45:21,050 --> 01:45:24,560
between 2015 and now had been construction

1875
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:29,960
on 380 some of the rehab projects going on near loop 280 l

1876
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,479
illian miller eagle all that taken into

1877
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:35,329
consideration they were not able to collect data to move

1878
01:45:35,329 --> 01:45:37,520
forward so that's why it's taking a little

1879
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:41,119
bit longer and we don't qualify for their the new funding

1880
01:45:41,119 --> 01:45:44,960
because we're already within we already

1881
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:49,470
have a grant that was after 2013 so okay that's okay thank

1882
01:45:49,470 --> 01:45:51,760
you pre-tem any um i think we're on

1883
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:57,420
item number two concluding items any all right hearing none

1884
01:45:57,420 --> 01:46:01,520
at 11 i'm sorry at 123 this meeting

1885
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:07,760
is adjourned