WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.960 special called me oh this is not a special called meeting 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:04.860 this is just 00:00:04.860 --> 00:00:10.259 regular let's go ahead and call the meeting to order at 5 00:00:10.259 --> 00:00:15.060 35 p.m. please 00:00:15.060 --> 00:00:18.379 stand for the pledges of allegiance 00:00:19.780 --> 00:00:24.050 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 00:00:24.050 --> 00:00:25.980 America and to the 00:00:25.980 --> 00:00:31.160 republic for which it stands one nation under God indivis 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:32.840 ible with liberty and 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:38.299 justice for all honor the Texas flag I pledge allegiance to 00:00:38.299 --> 00:00:40.520 the Texas one state 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:49.719 under God one and indivisible all right so our first item 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:50.439 for consideration 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:53.909 tonight is to consider the approval of the July 9th 2018 00:00:53.909 --> 00:00:54.799 Historic Landmark 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:58.229 Commission meeting minutes has everybody had a chance to 00:00:58.229 --> 00:01:01.280 look through the minutes 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:09.859 yes is there anything that needs to be changed or revised 00:01:09.859 --> 00:01:15.579 in the minutes no I 00:01:15.579 --> 00:01:19.819 didn't see anything myself if somebody wants to make a 00:01:19.819 --> 00:01:24.359 motion thank you so much 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:32.359 John for making that motion can anybody second it thank you 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:34.719 Aaron so the motion 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:39.239 is seconded by Aaron all those in favor to approve the 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:40.920 minutes as presented 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:48.129 please say aye aye any opposed please say nay great okay so 00:01:48.129 --> 00:01:49.040 the motion is 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:55.480 approved okay next item B we're going to receive a 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:58.159 report hold a discussion make a recommendation to City 00:01:58.159 --> 00:01:59.079 Council regarding 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:03.709 an amendment to section 10 - 131 of the city of Denton's 00:02:03.709 --> 00:02:05.120 code of ordinances 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:09.189 related to tax exemptions for historically significant 00:02:09.189 --> 00:02:10.639 sites thank you 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:17.469 so much I'm so excited mm-hmm good afternoon madam chair 00:02:17.469 --> 00:02:19.439 person and members 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.520 of the Commission I'm Caroline Booth I'm pleased to be with 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:23.580 you today to give you 00:02:23.580 --> 00:02:27.039 a short presentation regarding an amendment to a tax 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:28.520 exemption ordinance 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:33.469 for historically significant commercial sites wonderful 00:02:33.469 --> 00:02:36.479 okay so background to 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.810 start out with in 1988 the City Council adopted an 00:02:39.810 --> 00:02:41.680 ordinance that provided tax 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:45.120 relief to encourage preservation of historic sites within 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:46.000 what was called 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:49.500 the downtown commercial district the sites had to be at 00:02:49.500 --> 00:02:51.000 least 50 years old 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:55.240 and the abatement provided was for a hundred percent on the 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:56.280 incremental 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:59.759 increase in the value after the restoration work was done 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:00.800 for up to ten 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:05.229 years and approval of any project is required first by HLC 00:03:05.229 --> 00:03:06.360 and then by City 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:11.000 Council this incentive has been used five times since 1988 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:12.099 most recently in 00:03:12.099 --> 00:03:20.520 2005 since 1998 I'm sorry since 1988 okay that's a typo 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:21.319 thank you 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:24.580 madam chair so I'm so sorry I just wanted to make sure no 00:03:24.580 --> 00:03:25.199 no no you're 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:31.370 right it's 1988 okay so only used five times and obviously 00:03:31.370 --> 00:03:32.879 you know 2005 has 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:37.419 now been quite some time ago in 2014 there was adoption of 00:03:37.419 --> 00:03:38.560 an ordinance to 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:42.539 amend the original ordinance with the thought of including 00:03:42.539 --> 00:03:43.159 commercial 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.569 buildings within historic districts or historic 00:03:46.569 --> 00:03:48.280 conservation districts as well 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:50.900 as any commercial building that the City Council deemed 00:03:50.900 --> 00:03:51.960 historic or in need of 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:55.500 preservation so the intent here was to expand the 00:03:55.500 --> 00:03:57.840 application of the original 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:04.240 ordinance this use of this ordinance had not come up in 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:06.039 quite some time at all 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:11.539 and so we did have an inquiry from developers who are 00:04:11.539 --> 00:04:13.000 looking at the 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:17.870 Fairhaven building on Bell and that is how this 00:04:17.870 --> 00:04:19.720 conversation got restarted and 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:24.480 so in 2018 when this happened I requested that our city 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:25.399 legal department 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:28.829 conduct a review of the original ordinance and the amended 00:04:28.829 --> 00:04:29.600 ordinance from 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:32.790 2014 to make sure that everything was still good because we 00:04:32.790 --> 00:04:33.600 have to check on 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:38.980 case law and stuff like that miss Clegg whenever we 00:04:38.980 --> 00:04:40.879 whenever we have something 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:43.600 we haven't used in a while so they did find that the 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:45.160 underlying basis is still 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:49.800 valid and viable but the the little kink in everything was 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:51.379 that the 2014 00:04:51.379 --> 00:04:54.800 ordinance didn't amend the actual section of the code of 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:55.759 ordinances in 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:59.060 order to make those additional types and locations of 00:04:59.060 --> 00:05:00.519 commercial buildings 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:04.490 eligible to use the incentive so the ordinance was adopted 00:05:04.490 --> 00:05:05.480 but the code of 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:09.449 ordinances wasn't updated so it's really an administrative 00:05:09.449 --> 00:05:12.399 oversight so as you 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:16.069 saw in your backup our legal department has drafted a new 00:05:16.069 --> 00:05:18.160 amendment ordinance in 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:22.860 order to correct the issue and what we are here to ask you 00:05:22.860 --> 00:05:24.839 today is if you 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.959 would prefer to recommend approval of this ordinance to 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:29.839 correct the mistake or 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:33.550 if you would care to not do that staff does recommend 00:05:33.550 --> 00:05:34.879 approval of this 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:39.139 incentive tool and the ordinance to make it available to 00:05:39.139 --> 00:05:40.879 those additional types 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:45.959 and locations of projects and I'm happy to answer questions 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:47.480 that you may have 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:57.800 mm-hmm question does the requirement of doubling still part 00:05:57.800 --> 00:05:59.160 of the rule I 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:02.449 recalled back when you earlier slide you said it had to be 00:06:02.449 --> 00:06:03.519 a hundred percent 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:10.029 increase no that there yes so it's a hundred percent tax ab 00:06:10.029 --> 00:06:11.879 atement on the 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:15.040 incremental increase in the value so it doesn't mean that 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:16.839 the value doubles it 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:19.889 means that okay so you have the base year before the 00:06:19.889 --> 00:06:21.319 renovation is done and 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:25.399 it's worth a hundred thousand dollars so before you start 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:27.000 so that's that's the 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:30.540 base year and the base amount of value then after the 00:06:30.540 --> 00:06:32.060 renovation or the the 00:06:32.060 --> 00:06:37.560 restoration preservation is done it has ostensibly an 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.240 increased value so the 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:42.079 difference between the base year and the increased value is 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:43.439 the incremental value 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:48.009 and that's what can be abated at 100% so it's just this 00:06:48.009 --> 00:06:50.720 little increase amount is 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:55.279 that the tax on that increased amount so that's very common 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:57.360 in tax abatements 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:01.589 for other types of projects new construction or expansions 00:07:01.589 --> 00:07:02.800 of projects so 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:07.360 it's just the increment thank you thank you so much for 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:10.240 clarifying that sure 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:15.930 I'm so sorry I'm a little new to this but I wasn't sure 00:07:15.930 --> 00:07:17.000 that what you showed us 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:21.129 was only for historic buildings it sounded like anybody 00:07:21.129 --> 00:07:23.240 could qualify that 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:25.170 was not clear so I mean something that's ten years old 00:07:25.170 --> 00:07:25.959 could qualify for an 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:30.079 abatement is that not under this program I know it's the 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:31.180 qualification is it has 00:07:31.180 --> 00:07:34.449 to be at least 50 years old because I thought the 2014 did 00:07:34.449 --> 00:07:35.480 not say that that's 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:38.139 why the buildings still have to be at least 50 years old 00:07:38.139 --> 00:07:39.040 they can just be in 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:41.410 different parts of town besides the central business 00:07:41.410 --> 00:07:42.759 district so now the 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:45.360 difference is that we're looking outside of the central 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:46.519 business district so 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:55.829 beyond what's already looked at is right and all so this is 00:07:55.829 --> 00:07:58.399 my I just want to ask 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:04.680 and clarify so approval by HLC and is required for any 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:05.800 changes made to the 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:08.420 size of those buildings or what would normally come under 00:08:08.420 --> 00:08:09.319 that purview of that 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:15.089 building right for HLC if they are receiving this if they 00:08:15.089 --> 00:08:15.519 are receiving 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:20.899 this tax abatement right I think the entire project has to 00:08:20.899 --> 00:08:22.720 be you all would 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.759 have a chance to read review their entire plan okay for the 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:28.439 project before 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.870 granting or before recommending that they would receive 00:08:31.870 --> 00:08:33.200 this incentive Roman is 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:39.080 that the way you read this that's the way I read it so we 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:43.799 're not so it doesn't 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:48.820 apply to any buildings that wouldn't come under local 00:08:48.820 --> 00:08:54.320 control basically of 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:59.529 like so we're not looking at just state properties does 00:08:59.529 --> 00:09:01.559 that make sense right 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:04.720 say this might be something that's better for Roman to 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:05.759 answer because I'm 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.940 getting out of my hi chair I think I understand where you 00:09:09.940 --> 00:09:11.000 're headed with that 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:16.039 yes it's a local tool right with local control okay and you 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:17.240 're thinking about I 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:22.559 see where if it was yeah we are controlling this so we're 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:23.399 saying it's 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:26.649 locally significant so it doesn't have to qualify for a 00:09:26.649 --> 00:09:27.759 registered Texas 00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:31.659 landmark status or a national red Richard landmark status 00:09:31.659 --> 00:09:32.120 although it's 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:35.440 hard to qualify for those things as well it would still yes 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:37.120 in fact yes that's 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:40.409 right local historic designation I'm so sorry my words just 00:09:40.409 --> 00:09:41.240 found me there could 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:43.840 be other tax incentives at the state and federal level 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:44.679 right that could be 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:48.649 exactly that could be added on to it and this doesn't keep 00:09:48.649 --> 00:09:50.120 any any property from 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:54.570 being eligible from also receiving additional funding 00:09:54.570 --> 00:09:55.639 grants or tax 00:09:55.639 --> 00:10:01.159 credits through the state or the federal government correct 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:11.840 okay question I don't 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:18.919 see reference back to the 98 - 116 ordinance in the new one 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:20.159 should it not 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:26.120 reference back to that mr. Drake legal counsel or is there 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:26.879 is a reference in 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:34.129 the top of the second page word to orders 98 116 oh there 00:10:34.129 --> 00:10:36.120 it is okay 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:38.870 commercial is there within the boundaries of the downtown 00:10:38.870 --> 00:10:39.840 area 98 - 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:48.419 116 okay so I get years yes so but but that that only 00:10:48.419 --> 00:10:49.320 applies to that first 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:54.480 condition it does preserves the the the situation that's 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.279 presently in the code 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:00.539 right now this this condition number one is what's present 00:11:00.539 --> 00:11:02.240 ly in the code this 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:07.000 amendment adds the conditions two three and four as well 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:08.639 and it's and it's going 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:11.480 to end up being an amendment the whole thing an amendment 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:12.600 to that original one 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:18.059 so because I was trying to see where it would still grant 00:11:18.059 --> 00:11:19.919 us the review if it 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:23.120 was a completely independent ordinance but you're saying it 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:24.120 's not an independent 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.559 ordinance it's an amendment it's a code amendment if you 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:27.519 look on the first page 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:30.879 down at the bottom section 2 amendment it says that the 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:31.919 code of the city of 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:36.049 dentist is amended by amending chapter 10 article 7 section 00:11:36.049 --> 00:11:38.960 10 - 131 and so the 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:44.519 provisions 10 - 130 10 - 132 are going to continue on as 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:47.200 written okay I see 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:53.799 thank you it's a very good question 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:59.590 does anybody else have any other questions any clar 00:11:59.590 --> 00:12:03.240 ifications thank you 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:05.919 so much for your presentation you're welcome thanks for 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:06.399 asking good 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:10.879 questions y'all and thanks for the dial a friend question 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:12.679 support always so 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:14.679 helpful 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:29.899 come on I just want to make sure that y'all are gonna make 00:12:29.899 --> 00:12:31.200 a recommendation to 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:39.000 council about whether you want to that's the next part okay 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:40.000 so before us is the 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:45.769 option to either make a recommendation or not recommend I'd 00:12:45.769 --> 00:12:46.919 like an emotion to 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:54.720 make a recommendation to approve this amendment to 98 - 116 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:56.159 ordinance okay 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:01.929 thank you so much for your motion Helen I'll second that 00:13:01.929 --> 00:13:02.000 motion thank you so 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:06.440 much Aaron for your second okay it's open for discussion do 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:06.960 we have anything 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:13.690 else to discuss regarding this any clarification questions 00:13:13.690 --> 00:13:17.240 comments okay 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:27.090 yes John it's no longer downtown it's now encompassing the 00:13:27.090 --> 00:13:27.840 whole city city 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:32.919 limits yes so if we're looking at the ordinance it's not 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:33.840 that it's no longer 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:38.879 downtown is this downtown in addition to you yes so it's 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:40.600 not it is no longer 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:46.889 limited to the central commercial district so now we are 00:13:46.889 --> 00:13:47.919 also adding on 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:51.129 any commercial building within a horse stark district any 00:13:51.129 --> 00:13:51.919 commercial building 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:55.240 within a historic conservation district or any commercial 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:56.440 building that the City 00:13:56.440 --> 00:14:00.799 Council deems historically significant or in need of 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:06.120 preservation that the City 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:11.620 Council deems historically significant or in need of 00:14:11.620 --> 00:14:12.759 preservation 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:21.860 okay all right are we prepared to make a vote all in favor 00:14:21.860 --> 00:14:23.759 of the motion please 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:29.740 say aye aye any opposed please say nay all right we've 00:14:29.740 --> 00:14:30.879 passed unanimous 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:36.929 unanimously thank you so much for your work on this I 00:14:36.929 --> 00:14:39.399 really appreciate it 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:42.399 okay 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:54.590 let's look at item C hold a public meeting and consider am 00:14:54.590 --> 00:14:56.080 ending a 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:02.529 certificate of appropriateness with section 35.7 point six 00:15:02.529 --> 00:15:03.480 point eight a 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:07.549 with the development code to approve the wall didactic to a 00:15:07.549 --> 00:15:08.399 company that 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:12.600 recently installed for permanent display Lynn Ford designed 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:14.360 doors at City Hall 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:19.080 all right thank you just as coming back to you and my 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:20.120 feelings won't be hurt if 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:24.159 it has to come back again but this is regarding the permit 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:24.720 and when I say 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:27.110 permanently installed it's just that those for those of you 00:15:27.110 --> 00:15:27.759 who are new to 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:30.720 the committee there were some doors here on the eastern 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:32.080 side of City Hall that 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:37.480 were removed prior to there being an actual ordinance 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:38.559 protecting the building 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:42.580 and so there was some concern that the doors wouldn't be 00:15:42.580 --> 00:15:44.080 put back here where 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:47.049 they were hanging where they you passed through them they 00:15:47.049 --> 00:15:49.720 're made by Lynn Ford 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:51.860 in this picture the brother of O'Neill Ford who designed 00:15:51.860 --> 00:15:52.960 the building so now 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.509 they're kind of on display in the corridor there in a nice 00:15:56.509 --> 00:15:57.519 way they're not 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:00.019 exactly square after they were cleaned up so it would have 00:16:00.019 --> 00:16:00.879 been we would have 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:04.289 put the city through quite a bit of expense to mount them 00:16:04.289 --> 00:16:05.200 back where they 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:08.629 were so for now they're on display and the question before 00:16:08.629 --> 00:16:10.440 you simply is would 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:16.879 this be sufficient to put up markers like this next to the 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:18.600 doors as as 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.679 permanent part of the permanent display and for me the idea 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:22.759 it was kind of I 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:26.230 don't remember how it all formed but I think it was 00:16:26.230 --> 00:16:28.200 important to to have O'Neill 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:30.809 Ford and his brother Lynn represented here so people knew 00:16:30.809 --> 00:16:31.500 when they came 00:16:31.500 --> 00:16:34.480 through the door if you've watched Benji the movie if you 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:35.200 haven't watched I 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:38.220 encourage you to rewatch it I just did not too long ago and 00:16:38.220 --> 00:16:38.919 a lot of the 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:41.669 original Benji movies filmed right there in that corridor 00:16:41.669 --> 00:16:42.879 and the dog passes 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:49.799 through those those very doors when they made the movie and 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:50.799 there's the police 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:56.740 department in that movie too so and it along almost topic 00:16:56.740 --> 00:16:57.679 if you have it up 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:01.179 until September 22nd the O'Neill Ford exhibition is on 00:17:01.179 --> 00:17:02.419 display at UNT on the 00:17:02.419 --> 00:17:05.529 square a lot of work went into that and there's some unique 00:17:05.529 --> 00:17:06.640 items that you won't 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.970 most likely won't see again for a long time that are on 00:17:09.970 --> 00:17:12.599 display there so this 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:16.829 we asked before that the colors match so actually I 00:17:16.829 --> 00:17:19.079 purchased this photo from the 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.599 San Antonio Express via eBay I was real lucky it was used 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:23.519 in a lot of public in 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:27.069 newspaper articles and it is black and white originally as 00:17:27.069 --> 00:17:28.240 well as this one was 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:30.190 black and white originally if you remember we presented 00:17:30.190 --> 00:17:30.759 before we had a 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:35.690 color image from the work over in probably on one of the TI 00:17:35.690 --> 00:17:37.299 projects Texas 00:17:37.299 --> 00:17:39.710 instruments that and that was a color so I feel like it's 00:17:39.710 --> 00:17:40.799 better because you're 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:43.630 going back and they're both colored and then there was a 00:17:43.630 --> 00:17:44.440 one of the most 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:49.839 influential as Helen had asked for is there and I mean we 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:51.880 when we issued the 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:54.420 C of a to hang the doors we said that these would come back 00:17:54.420 --> 00:17:55.400 to you all so they 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:59.779 have to come back to you all for for final approval and I 00:17:59.779 --> 00:18:01.480 hadn't nailed down 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:03.980 what these would be mounted on it to me they just need to 00:18:03.980 --> 00:18:05.440 get up I'm solid on 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:07.289 the idea that done is better than perfect I don't care if 00:18:07.289 --> 00:18:07.920 they're mounted 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:10.220 on foam board and print it well they need to be up and then 00:18:10.220 --> 00:18:10.839 if they need to 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:13.400 be on bronze we're probably the city didn't is gonna make 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:14.200 them bronze or do 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:17.500 something a little more permanent but for me they just need 00:18:17.500 --> 00:18:18.519 to get get up there 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:22.119 and and and keep people aware of that you know I haven't 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:23.480 had that exhibit on 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:26.900 O'Neill Ford down there we had over a hundred people the 00:18:26.900 --> 00:18:27.880 most number of 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:31.059 people ever came to sit down in the UNT on the square to 00:18:31.059 --> 00:18:32.759 listen to Stephen Fox's 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:37.640 200 and something slide slideshow about O'Neill Ford it was 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:38.319 an hour long 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:41.779 straight and we had to pass out water and keep people going 00:18:41.779 --> 00:18:42.640 everybody left 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:47.579 real happy they got their money's worth so it really having 00:18:47.579 --> 00:18:48.839 researched him I'm 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:51.849 more impressed than ever with his work and what he did it 00:18:51.849 --> 00:18:53.359 is impact and how 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:57.920 he came from pink hill to Denton and then became you know 00:18:57.920 --> 00:18:59.480 one of Texas's most 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:04.559 influential architects of the century these look fantastic 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:05.680 and I really like 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:08.640 the edited down more simplified versions of them as opposed 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:09.480 to what we saw 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:15.680 originally I think it's a much cleaner look I appreciate 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:17.519 the change in wording 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:29.000 and I like the photos and so I'm just recommending that we 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:29.920 approve approve 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:33.890 those up to y'all okay does anybody else have any questions 00:19:33.890 --> 00:19:39.400 for Roman okay 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:47.490 I just have one question absolutely the McNeil Art 00:19:47.490 --> 00:19:49.119 Institute is in San Antonio 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:51.490 being a native I mean is there also one in Austin as a 00:19:51.490 --> 00:19:52.839 native San Antonio and I 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:59.009 know of the McNeil in San Antonio I think there's one in 00:19:59.009 --> 00:20:00.839 San Antonio is the 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:03.000 one and I know what you're speaking about listen we could 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:03.759 clear it up just 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:11.559 we can just clear it up because I'm thinking the one in 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:12.599 your thing you said 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:14.480 the other ones in Austin right yeah that's what that says 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:15.039 that's why I'm 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.000 asking you oh okay well I didn't know we did him a sphere 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:19.519 and Trinity towers 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:23.059 and stuff that's quite this I know the one in Austin's in 00:20:23.059 --> 00:20:24.319 Hyde Park so let me 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:38.660 just put park it's MC NA why so yeah the one in Austin is 00:20:38.660 --> 00:20:39.240 spelled differently 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:45.410 it's actually it's a weird it's a weird spelling if I can 00:20:45.410 --> 00:20:46.359 get it there's 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:50.440 something else in Austin I know it's in Hyde Park fact we 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:51.779 can just go to the 00:20:51.779 --> 00:20:57.839 maps on 43rd Street what is it called it's yeah it's gonna 00:20:57.839 --> 00:20:58.799 okay it's it's 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:04.200 there's 40 46 it's by that shite pool is sitting right here 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:06.319 the nay it's the name 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:13.019 museum in Austin so this may be wrong right yeah this is 00:21:13.019 --> 00:21:15.640 supposed to be 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:28.960 it says in Austin Texas my brain went to the Navy natives 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:31.640 rule in that regard 00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:39.440 so it's in San Antonio it's the right spelling but the 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:45.079 wrong city okay anything 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:57.720 else that needs to be changed okay I can we approve with 00:21:57.720 --> 00:21:59.319 this spelling change and 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:04.349 let it proceed on and get mounted we can okay I'd like to 00:22:04.349 --> 00:22:05.720 make a motion to 00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:11.950 approve with the spelling is as mentioned for the didactics 00:22:11.950 --> 00:22:13.000 in the City 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:16.970 Hall building mm-hmm great thank you so much for your 00:22:16.970 --> 00:22:19.599 motion Helen second thank 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:26.390 you so much for your second Mary okay if there's no further 00:22:26.390 --> 00:22:27.440 discussion we can go 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:33.920 ahead and take a vote okay let's go ahead and vote for 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.599 approval please say aye 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:46.799 aye any opposed please say nay okay the motion is approved 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:48.000 and we'll just make 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:51.970 sure that you change those over to San Antonio not to 00:22:51.970 --> 00:22:55.000 Austin yeah Austin gets 00:22:55.000 --> 00:23:01.730 plenty of friends all right and finally that brings us to 00:23:01.730 --> 00:23:03.119 the historic landmark 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:07.839 Commission project matrix any updates or changes that need 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:10.759 to be made to it 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:14.279 there's a historic preservation app Alyssa I think you 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:15.599 brought forth a long 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:19.059 time ago yeah and as part of the O'Neill Ford exhibit the 00:23:19.059 --> 00:23:21.079 Denton Convention and 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:24.920 Visitors Bureau has made an app for O'Neill Forge work and 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:25.920 so I just need to 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:29.029 turn back around now and see well what we can probably just 00:23:29.029 --> 00:23:30.000 go right into that 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.160 map and put all the local landmarks and other interesting 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:34.880 sites on that app I 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:39.369 think it's called little little D little D on the app store 00:23:39.369 --> 00:23:41.000 at your thing and it 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:45.359 comes down I've tried it's cool got a little information on 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:45.960 each of the O'Neill 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:52.200 Ford buildings the educates ongoing items the preservation 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:54.279 plan we're gonna have 00:23:54.279 --> 00:24:00.059 our first kickoff meeting with some staff this Thursday if 00:24:00.059 --> 00:24:01.359 Richard can make 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:05.069 it and it's a that'll be with the Lakota group out of 00:24:05.069 --> 00:24:06.400 Chicago who have been 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:10.109 hired to work on the plan and I know you say Chicago they 00:24:10.109 --> 00:24:11.880 're way up there they 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:15.609 were chosen by the review but they were that the low the 00:24:15.609 --> 00:24:17.240 low bidder actually on 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:21.230 the on the agreement and also gave them really really 00:24:21.230 --> 00:24:22.880 really good comprehensive 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:27.240 planning ideas so point being I think that's an opportunity 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:28.480 for citizens to 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:31.480 bring forth their desire for more financial incentives for 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:32.039 historic 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:34.880 buildings and that can come out that way you know about 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:36.079 local designation of 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:44.720 downtown Scott is still moving forward with that and I don 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:46.440 't think the status 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:50.819 has changed since the last meeting that we had it's not is 00:24:50.819 --> 00:24:52.359 it's planning to move 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:57.759 forward as far as I know it's still we've put it in 00:24:57.759 --> 00:24:59.319 ordinance form so it's 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:02.220 just a matter of making sure that that it's correct and 00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:03.319 then we're gonna go 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:06.019 back out to the stakeholders and it'll be brought back in 00:25:06.019 --> 00:25:07.160 front of this this 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:09.420 commission and then sort of work its way P&Z then 00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:11.400 ultimately City Council right 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:17.670 what is the timeline that we're looking at I'm everybody's 00:25:17.670 --> 00:25:19.680 favorite question I 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:24.589 think we're trying to put it in around the same time as the 00:25:24.589 --> 00:25:26.039 trying to bring 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:30.009 everything together with it with the DDC update okay so I 00:25:30.009 --> 00:25:32.319 would expect probably 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:37.349 November when we'll have the final final ordinance complete 00:25:37.349 --> 00:25:38.599 to roll out together 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:43.519 with the the initial draft staffed our public draft of the 00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:44.960 DDC update okay the 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:47.769 consolidated draft right so we're talking about November 00:25:47.769 --> 00:25:49.440 2018 correct and 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:51.990 then probably adoption towards the end of the year 00:25:51.990 --> 00:25:56.759 beginning of 19 and we'll be 00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:00.230 I think wrapping into that the Denton develop the 00:26:00.230 --> 00:26:01.599 preservation part of the 00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:05.940 code rewrite comes in with that too correct it comes 00:26:05.940 --> 00:26:08.720 forward excellent thank 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:14.410 you so much for your update the WPA stone line canals haven 00:26:14.410 --> 00:26:15.519 't been I haven't 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:20.450 approached them with that I need to follow up with 00:26:20.450 --> 00:26:21.599 engineering is still I 00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:25.900 understand that's still not funding for big changes to the 00:26:25.900 --> 00:26:27.359 canals okay but we 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:31.259 need to I need to confirm that the it's a good thing Scott 00:26:31.259 --> 00:26:32.359 who's no longer the 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:34.880 committee reminded me to put back the Confederate monument 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:35.720 because I happen to 00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:40.150 see in the Denton record Chronicle I don't know if y'all 00:26:40.150 --> 00:26:41.000 saw that but there's 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:46.500 a national organization that's going to that's chosen ten 00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:47.960 Confederate monuments 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:54.960 around the United States to put to put pressure on for 00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:57.079 removal of them and that 00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:05.720 was in the paper within the last day or two okay last week 00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:08.119 okay but you know 00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:12.720 there's not the courthouse site is a local landmark so if 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:14.319 someone decides if 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:17.809 the county decides they want to remove the landmark or 00:27:17.809 --> 00:27:19.119 alter it or put a new 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:23.019 thing there that has to come before the committee that's 00:27:23.019 --> 00:27:24.680 the general idea but we 00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:27.549 don't with this committee wouldn't normally take action to 00:27:27.549 --> 00:27:28.640 remove it that 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:30.720 would be like taking out telling someone they have to alter 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:31.880 their building right 00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:35.779 so in general that's that's a little background if y'all 00:27:35.779 --> 00:27:37.079 need more than that 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.390 for me if you want me to research how this thing what 00:27:40.390 --> 00:27:41.920 people have how this has 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:44.890 been impact how landmark commissions have impacted that 00:27:44.890 --> 00:27:46.000 question around the 00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:48.809 country I mean boy there's been a diverse amount of action 00:27:48.809 --> 00:27:49.359 some mayor's 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:51.980 just in the middle of night of taking them down and yeah 00:27:51.980 --> 00:27:52.680 other things have 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.730 happened and that was one of the prominent discussions at 00:27:56.730 --> 00:27:57.640 the NAPC 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:01.690 conference this year and the vast number of ways that it 00:28:01.690 --> 00:28:03.799 has been dealt with is I 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:08.829 mean it is really different for every community I think it 00:28:08.829 --> 00:28:09.440 would be 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:13.619 interesting to see how other people in Texas have dealt 00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:16.599 with it just so we've 00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:19.440 got a knowledge of what's going on within our own state 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:21.640 since the laws will 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:25.849 be a little more applicable to us specifically I'll begin 00:28:25.849 --> 00:28:26.759 to compile some 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:32.460 things then just in case that comes up here because that's 00:28:32.460 --> 00:28:33.519 landmarked through 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:38.230 the it's it's a little bit there's a county but there's a 00:28:38.230 --> 00:28:38.920 local landmark 00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:42.000 designation on our courthouse so it's a treaty like the 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.160 courthouse but is it 00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:46.450 also on the whole side when we do those we do the site so 00:28:46.450 --> 00:28:47.559 it's the entire site 00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:54.079 okay so it would have to come before HLC okay yeah I think 00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:55.599 it would be a good idea 00:28:55.599 --> 00:29:00.059 to maybe is that something that we could do as a workshop 00:29:00.059 --> 00:29:03.319 item before a meeting 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:08.039 in the upcoming months just to look at how others have 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:09.519 dealt with it if y'all 00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:12.480 want sure I would like to gather a bunch of stuff and 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:14.440 workshop item you might get 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:21.079 asked about it compile some of the names that presented on 00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:22.680 that very topic as well 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.869 please do I can provide you with a few of those I think it 00:29:26.869 --> 00:29:28.839 would be helpful so 00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:32.809 that's all that's on there today great I will say that the 00:29:32.809 --> 00:29:34.000 preservation plan I 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:36.809 mean you can add anything you'd like to it but as we move 00:29:36.809 --> 00:29:38.119 forward with that plan 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.140 we'll be creating a steering committee we'll be asking some 00:29:41.140 --> 00:29:41.799 people to be 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.730 involved so things will kind of pick up in that regard okay 00:29:44.730 --> 00:29:45.400 and as we've just 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:52.180 made another tax incentive update can have we looked at 00:29:52.180 --> 00:29:55.000 creating a one page 00:29:55.000 --> 00:30:00.200 for tax incentives I will do that excellent thank you so 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:02.079 much okay I just 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:05.789 want to make sure that it's clear sure as is there a common 00:30:05.789 --> 00:30:08.599 question so okay 00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:14.640 awesome does anybody have anything to add to the matrix 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:18.519 okay thank you so much I 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:25.079 appreciate it Roman all right if there's no other business 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:25.759 does anybody have 00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.480 anything that needs to be added to the next agenda any 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.359 other business yes 00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:52.559 absolutely John yes Roman do you want to come on up 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:58.599 and then I heard that if something's not acted on in 45 00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:01.440 days it kicks in whether we 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:07.640 decided to do it or not let's double check with Roman yeah 00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.500 Commissioner what happened there is the I was prepared to 00:31:11.500 --> 00:31:12.720 have that on this 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:16.109 agenda so it wouldn't go beyond the 45 days and that's the 00:31:16.109 --> 00:31:17.119 chimney out at the 00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:21.819 house but the contractor has withdrawn his application to 00:31:21.819 --> 00:31:23.599 demolish the chimney 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:27.569 he's going to leave it where it is he's gonna excellent and 00:31:27.569 --> 00:31:29.000 trim around it and 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.900 and it and I last time I checked it was trimmed nicely in 00:31:32.900 --> 00:31:34.359 same place that it was 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:44.029 I saw it standing yesterday so yes I hope they put a little 00:31:44.029 --> 00:31:45.440 concrete back in 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:54.640 the holes but he withdrew the key is he withdrew the CIA so 00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:56.039 if he would have to 00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.250 reapply and read we would re-trigger that okay thank you so 00:32:00.250 --> 00:32:00.720 much for your 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:07.500 update yes ma'am there are many people now moving into the 00:32:07.500 --> 00:32:08.440 historic district 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:11.279 mm-hmm and for whatever reason the real estate agents you 00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:12.119 know better have not 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:15.059 always given the information to them of what is required 00:32:15.059 --> 00:32:16.079 how are they to get 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.839 this information whose job is that and how can we be sure 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:19.980 they know standards 00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:22.880 because I'm tired of people getting forgiveness instead of 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:24.559 permission right 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:32.640 well if I'm not in I believe that we actually updated 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:33.720 something for the real 00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:39.220 estates but the signage is pretty clear in all of the 00:32:39.220 --> 00:32:41.359 districts that are 00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:47.170 historic districts and I know that that I mean trust me I 00:32:47.170 --> 00:32:48.240 remember my first year 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:51.109 on the Commission we had a house come up that was literally 00:32:51.109 --> 00:32:52.119 across from the sign 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.420 that said you're now entering the Bell Historic 00:32:54.420 --> 00:32:57.240 Conservation District and they 00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:01.569 still made some changes without getting a COA and it was 00:33:01.569 --> 00:33:07.759 terrifying but the 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.960 main thing is is that all that information is very easily 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:11.880 accessible on 00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:14.970 the website now it doesn't take a lot of clicking around it 00:33:14.970 --> 00:33:17.000 's literally like boom 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:21.079 right there our historic preservation officer is readily 00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:22.019 available through the 00:33:22.019 --> 00:33:26.049 city there's not like a program or anything where someone 00:33:26.049 --> 00:33:26.559 is supposed to 00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:32.480 like oh there's a new property owner so here is the rule 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:33.279 here are the rules and 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.589 regulations it would be sort of nice to have some kind of 00:33:36.589 --> 00:33:37.960 thing underway since 00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:42.180 they're already on the tax roll I already saw that I look 00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:42.880 they already hit 00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.309 the tax roll so the city knows they exist to just send out 00:33:46.309 --> 00:33:47.799 a general notice 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:51.769 to everybody once a year just I mean I know this is selling 00:33:51.769 --> 00:33:52.799 much even if it's 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.319 something to the registered owners because I know the 00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:56.359 people next door to me 00:33:56.359 --> 00:34:00.329 have no clue they looked at me like I was well so-and-so 00:34:00.329 --> 00:34:01.599 never said I won't 00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:06.769 mention the name that they write do this so they had a real 00:34:06.769 --> 00:34:08.400 estate agent not 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:14.239 informed them is that what is happening okay 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:30.989 we legally is there anything that we should or could be 00:34:30.989 --> 00:34:33.000 doing well really 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:36.329 that's the function of the building permit process is to 00:34:36.329 --> 00:34:38.000 catch those things 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:43.920 if you have people making changes to a structure without 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:45.880 checking into the 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.840 bill it building permit process there's there's very little 00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:51.679 additional that you 00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:58.409 can do right but paints and fences and painting is not 00:34:58.409 --> 00:34:58.960 going to require a 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.929 permit I wouldn't think you know but as far as you know 00:35:02.929 --> 00:35:04.440 modifications are 00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.780 concerned that that should be caught during the permitting 00:35:07.780 --> 00:35:08.840 process but there 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.389 are some people that will skirt the permitting process and 00:35:12.389 --> 00:35:13.320 that just happens 00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:18.530 I just it would be kind of nice if we had a little booklet 00:35:18.530 --> 00:35:19.320 to send to 00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.909 everybody it doesn't have to be paper and sooner rather 00:35:22.909 --> 00:35:24.159 than later because 00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:27.340 could we add that to the matrix and I'll be obligated to 00:35:27.340 --> 00:35:29.079 get something I was I 00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:32.789 think I just a mailer I don't know if it had to be 00:35:32.789 --> 00:35:34.320 certified you don't spend a 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.059 lot of money doing this kind of thing but just a I mean it 00:35:37.059 --> 00:35:38.400 wouldn't could you 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.039 send out an annual mailer that just to every house all the 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:42.760 landmarks and all 00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:46.739 the historic homes by the I guess you'd need the county the 00:35:46.739 --> 00:35:48.880 updated website and a 00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:54.039 quick reminder how to of how to submit a COA and when they 00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:57.000 're they're necessary 00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:04.800 right perhaps if this once you were I'm assuming the 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:05.440 ordinance is gonna pass 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:11.210 with the the tax incentive perhaps once that once that 00:36:11.210 --> 00:36:12.719 passes what we can do is 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.539 all of the properties that that would be subject to that 00:36:15.539 --> 00:36:17.320 ordinance we can send 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:20.539 out a letter one informing them of that of that ordinance 00:36:20.539 --> 00:36:21.320 that it's available 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.300 but then also what their requirements are and that might be 00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:24.960 a way that well 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:28.059 now that would be a different group from Mary's talking 00:36:28.059 --> 00:36:29.500 about historic district 00:36:29.500 --> 00:36:35.530 houses that are outside of the downtown just just read our 00:36:35.530 --> 00:36:36.559 three historic 00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:40.670 districts actually it did commercial or residential 00:36:40.670 --> 00:36:41.500 building within the 00:36:41.500 --> 00:36:46.480 boundaries of the downtown commercial district it does not 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:47.260 the buildings it 00:36:47.260 --> 00:36:50.099 Richard referred to that would be every building commercial 00:36:50.099 --> 00:36:51.239 that's over 50 so 00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:54.570 that would be yeah that's right that would be the whole 00:36:54.570 --> 00:36:55.519 that's a bet so it 00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:58.349 doesn't apply to residential be some weird there'll be a 00:36:58.349 --> 00:36:59.000 lot of buildings that 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:04.219 wouldn't you wouldn't be concerned about so I think it's 00:37:04.219 --> 00:37:05.800 just a male to the I 00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:08.949 would what you're saying but still there's a change in the 00:37:08.949 --> 00:37:09.519 history so we 00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:12.280 could use that as an opportunity as a trigger point to to 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:13.039 go ahead and then 00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:17.739 notify people I'm having an idea to tag on to that I 00:37:17.739 --> 00:37:18.559 remember there have been a 00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:21.800 couple of occasions we've wanted to send out a mailer first 00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:22.760 what reason or 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:27.710 another and this could be an opportunity to invite them to 00:37:27.710 --> 00:37:28.360 also 00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:32.550 register their email address with the city so that next 00:37:32.550 --> 00:37:34.199 time we have one of 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:38.199 those cases you've got an email database to send out 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:39.800 something with mm-hmm 00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:43.239 that's a great idea I mean I don't think it would hurt to 00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.840 have a one a quick one 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.730 sheet where that gets sent out once a year I could send y' 00:37:49.730 --> 00:37:50.960 all a draft and then 00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:54.690 yeah back at me with what you think it needs in it for a 00:37:54.690 --> 00:37:57.039 true reason is that 00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.969 something that we can yeah I think what will day yeah what 00:37:59.969 --> 00:38:01.039 we'll do is for the 00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:04.199 next meeting just prepare something to because there is a 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:05.039 residential I'm 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.210 trying to think of the one that was recently designated 00:38:07.210 --> 00:38:07.840 they did get it 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.769 that's another that's a different incentive but maybe there 00:38:10.769 --> 00:38:11.360 's a way to 00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:16.599 just summarize all of that right I mean I think it would be 00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:17.800 really easy to say 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.110 hey so happy to have you aboard I mean we can get into 00:38:21.110 --> 00:38:22.320 details later I'm so 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.599 sorry I don't want to take up time with that yeah I think 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:26.440 that's something we 00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:33.440 can look at yeah yes I got greeted by Oh piggycaps game is 00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:33.880 it here's the 00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:40.659 booklet for about what you needed to do I can see that 00:38:40.659 --> 00:38:45.719 happening yeah yeah yeah 00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:50.599 oh yeah okay all right anything else that needs to be 00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:53.800 updated or discussed 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:57.869 okay there's no other business than the regular meeting is 00:38:57.869 --> 00:39:00.519 adjourned at 6 13 14 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:06.679 p.m. thank you just a reminder if you have time to go by 00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:07.519 the Appleton Center 00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:13.000 there's some but who just but I would like it to get I don 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:13.599 't want more than 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:18.579 five five or more I don't want to go okay all right so that 00:39:18.579 --> 00:39:19.400 already good so 00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.719 I'm gonna head over okay I will get again we'll get to see 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:23.960 that project as it 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:32.920 goes forward yes and welcome to our new members welcome