1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,960 special called me oh this is not a special called meeting 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:04,860 this is just 3 00:00:04,860 --> 00:00:10,259 regular let's go ahead and call the meeting to order at 5 4 00:00:10,259 --> 00:00:15,060 35 p.m. please 5 00:00:15,060 --> 00:00:18,379 stand for the pledges of allegiance 6 00:00:19,780 --> 00:00:24,050 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 7 00:00:24,050 --> 00:00:25,980 America and to the 8 00:00:25,980 --> 00:00:31,160 republic for which it stands one nation under God indivis 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,840 ible with liberty and 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:38,299 justice for all honor the Texas flag I pledge allegiance to 11 00:00:38,299 --> 00:00:40,520 the Texas one state 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:49,719 under God one and indivisible all right so our first item 13 00:00:49,719 --> 00:00:50,439 for consideration 14 00:00:50,439 --> 00:00:53,909 tonight is to consider the approval of the July 9th 2018 15 00:00:53,909 --> 00:00:54,799 Historic Landmark 16 00:00:54,799 --> 00:00:58,229 Commission meeting minutes has everybody had a chance to 17 00:00:58,229 --> 00:01:01,280 look through the minutes 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:09,859 yes is there anything that needs to be changed or revised 19 00:01:09,859 --> 00:01:15,579 in the minutes no I 20 00:01:15,579 --> 00:01:19,819 didn't see anything myself if somebody wants to make a 21 00:01:19,819 --> 00:01:24,359 motion thank you so much 22 00:01:24,359 --> 00:01:32,359 John for making that motion can anybody second it thank you 23 00:01:32,359 --> 00:01:34,719 Aaron so the motion 24 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:39,239 is seconded by Aaron all those in favor to approve the 25 00:01:39,239 --> 00:01:40,920 minutes as presented 26 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:48,129 please say aye aye any opposed please say nay great okay so 27 00:01:48,129 --> 00:01:49,040 the motion is 28 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:55,480 approved okay next item B we're going to receive a 29 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,159 report hold a discussion make a recommendation to City 30 00:01:58,159 --> 00:01:59,079 Council regarding 31 00:01:59,079 --> 00:02:03,709 an amendment to section 10 - 131 of the city of Denton's 32 00:02:03,709 --> 00:02:05,120 code of ordinances 33 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,189 related to tax exemptions for historically significant 34 00:02:09,189 --> 00:02:10,639 sites thank you 35 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:17,469 so much I'm so excited mm-hmm good afternoon madam chair 36 00:02:17,469 --> 00:02:19,439 person and members 37 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:22,520 of the Commission I'm Caroline Booth I'm pleased to be with 38 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:23,580 you today to give you 39 00:02:23,580 --> 00:02:27,039 a short presentation regarding an amendment to a tax 40 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:28,520 exemption ordinance 41 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:33,469 for historically significant commercial sites wonderful 42 00:02:33,469 --> 00:02:36,479 okay so background to 43 00:02:36,479 --> 00:02:39,810 start out with in 1988 the City Council adopted an 44 00:02:39,810 --> 00:02:41,680 ordinance that provided tax 45 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,120 relief to encourage preservation of historic sites within 46 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,000 what was called 47 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,500 the downtown commercial district the sites had to be at 48 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:51,000 least 50 years old 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,240 and the abatement provided was for a hundred percent on the 50 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,280 incremental 51 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,759 increase in the value after the restoration work was done 52 00:02:59,759 --> 00:03:00,800 for up to ten 53 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,229 years and approval of any project is required first by HLC 54 00:03:05,229 --> 00:03:06,360 and then by City 55 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:11,000 Council this incentive has been used five times since 1988 56 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,099 most recently in 57 00:03:12,099 --> 00:03:20,520 2005 since 1998 I'm sorry since 1988 okay that's a typo 58 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:21,319 thank you 59 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:24,580 madam chair so I'm so sorry I just wanted to make sure no 60 00:03:24,580 --> 00:03:25,199 no no you're 61 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:31,370 right it's 1988 okay so only used five times and obviously 62 00:03:31,370 --> 00:03:32,879 you know 2005 has 63 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:37,419 now been quite some time ago in 2014 there was adoption of 64 00:03:37,419 --> 00:03:38,560 an ordinance to 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,539 amend the original ordinance with the thought of including 66 00:03:42,539 --> 00:03:43,159 commercial 67 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:46,569 buildings within historic districts or historic 68 00:03:46,569 --> 00:03:48,280 conservation districts as well 69 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,900 as any commercial building that the City Council deemed 70 00:03:50,900 --> 00:03:51,960 historic or in need of 71 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,500 preservation so the intent here was to expand the 72 00:03:55,500 --> 00:03:57,840 application of the original 73 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:04,240 ordinance this use of this ordinance had not come up in 74 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,039 quite some time at all 75 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:11,539 and so we did have an inquiry from developers who are 76 00:04:11,539 --> 00:04:13,000 looking at the 77 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,870 Fairhaven building on Bell and that is how this 78 00:04:17,870 --> 00:04:19,720 conversation got restarted and 79 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,480 so in 2018 when this happened I requested that our city 80 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:25,399 legal department 81 00:04:25,399 --> 00:04:28,829 conduct a review of the original ordinance and the amended 82 00:04:28,829 --> 00:04:29,600 ordinance from 83 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,790 2014 to make sure that everything was still good because we 84 00:04:32,790 --> 00:04:33,600 have to check on 85 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,980 case law and stuff like that miss Clegg whenever we 86 00:04:38,980 --> 00:04:40,879 whenever we have something 87 00:04:40,879 --> 00:04:43,600 we haven't used in a while so they did find that the 88 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,160 underlying basis is still 89 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,800 valid and viable but the the little kink in everything was 90 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,379 that the 2014 91 00:04:51,379 --> 00:04:54,800 ordinance didn't amend the actual section of the code of 92 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:55,759 ordinances in 93 00:04:55,759 --> 00:04:59,060 order to make those additional types and locations of 94 00:04:59,060 --> 00:05:00,519 commercial buildings 95 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:04,490 eligible to use the incentive so the ordinance was adopted 96 00:05:04,490 --> 00:05:05,480 but the code of 97 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,449 ordinances wasn't updated so it's really an administrative 98 00:05:09,449 --> 00:05:12,399 oversight so as you 99 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:16,069 saw in your backup our legal department has drafted a new 100 00:05:16,069 --> 00:05:18,160 amendment ordinance in 101 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,860 order to correct the issue and what we are here to ask you 102 00:05:22,860 --> 00:05:24,839 today is if you 103 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,959 would prefer to recommend approval of this ordinance to 104 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:29,839 correct the mistake or 105 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,550 if you would care to not do that staff does recommend 106 00:05:33,550 --> 00:05:34,879 approval of this 107 00:05:34,879 --> 00:05:39,139 incentive tool and the ordinance to make it available to 108 00:05:39,139 --> 00:05:40,879 those additional types 109 00:05:40,879 --> 00:05:45,959 and locations of projects and I'm happy to answer questions 110 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:47,480 that you may have 111 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:57,800 mm-hmm question does the requirement of doubling still part 112 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,160 of the rule I 113 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,449 recalled back when you earlier slide you said it had to be 114 00:06:02,449 --> 00:06:03,519 a hundred percent 115 00:06:03,519 --> 00:06:10,029 increase no that there yes so it's a hundred percent tax ab 116 00:06:10,029 --> 00:06:11,879 atement on the 117 00:06:11,879 --> 00:06:15,040 incremental increase in the value so it doesn't mean that 118 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,839 the value doubles it 119 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,889 means that okay so you have the base year before the 120 00:06:19,889 --> 00:06:21,319 renovation is done and 121 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:25,399 it's worth a hundred thousand dollars so before you start 122 00:06:25,399 --> 00:06:27,000 so that's that's the 123 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,540 base year and the base amount of value then after the 124 00:06:30,540 --> 00:06:32,060 renovation or the the 125 00:06:32,060 --> 00:06:37,560 restoration preservation is done it has ostensibly an 126 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,240 increased value so the 127 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,079 difference between the base year and the increased value is 128 00:06:42,079 --> 00:06:43,439 the incremental value 129 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:48,009 and that's what can be abated at 100% so it's just this 130 00:06:48,009 --> 00:06:50,720 little increase amount is 131 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,279 that the tax on that increased amount so that's very common 132 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,360 in tax abatements 133 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,589 for other types of projects new construction or expansions 134 00:07:01,589 --> 00:07:02,800 of projects so 135 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,360 it's just the increment thank you thank you so much for 136 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,240 clarifying that sure 137 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:15,930 I'm so sorry I'm a little new to this but I wasn't sure 138 00:07:15,930 --> 00:07:17,000 that what you showed us 139 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,129 was only for historic buildings it sounded like anybody 140 00:07:21,129 --> 00:07:23,240 could qualify that 141 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,170 was not clear so I mean something that's ten years old 142 00:07:25,170 --> 00:07:25,959 could qualify for an 143 00:07:25,959 --> 00:07:30,079 abatement is that not under this program I know it's the 144 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:31,180 qualification is it has 145 00:07:31,180 --> 00:07:34,449 to be at least 50 years old because I thought the 2014 did 146 00:07:34,449 --> 00:07:35,480 not say that that's 147 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,139 why the buildings still have to be at least 50 years old 148 00:07:38,139 --> 00:07:39,040 they can just be in 149 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,410 different parts of town besides the central business 150 00:07:41,410 --> 00:07:42,759 district so now the 151 00:07:42,759 --> 00:07:45,360 difference is that we're looking outside of the central 152 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:46,519 business district so 153 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:55,829 beyond what's already looked at is right and all so this is 154 00:07:55,829 --> 00:07:58,399 my I just want to ask 155 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:04,680 and clarify so approval by HLC and is required for any 156 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:05,800 changes made to the 157 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,420 size of those buildings or what would normally come under 158 00:08:08,420 --> 00:08:09,319 that purview of that 159 00:08:09,319 --> 00:08:15,089 building right for HLC if they are receiving this if they 160 00:08:15,089 --> 00:08:15,519 are receiving 161 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:20,899 this tax abatement right I think the entire project has to 162 00:08:20,899 --> 00:08:22,720 be you all would 163 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,759 have a chance to read review their entire plan okay for the 164 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:28,439 project before 165 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:31,870 granting or before recommending that they would receive 166 00:08:31,870 --> 00:08:33,200 this incentive Roman is 167 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:39,080 that the way you read this that's the way I read it so we 168 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,799 're not so it doesn't 169 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:48,820 apply to any buildings that wouldn't come under local 170 00:08:48,820 --> 00:08:54,320 control basically of 171 00:08:55,639 --> 00:08:59,529 like so we're not looking at just state properties does 172 00:08:59,529 --> 00:09:01,559 that make sense right 173 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,720 say this might be something that's better for Roman to 174 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:05,759 answer because I'm 175 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:09,940 getting out of my hi chair I think I understand where you 176 00:09:09,940 --> 00:09:11,000 're headed with that 177 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:16,039 yes it's a local tool right with local control okay and you 178 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:17,240 're thinking about I 179 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:22,559 see where if it was yeah we are controlling this so we're 180 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:23,399 saying it's 181 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:26,649 locally significant so it doesn't have to qualify for a 182 00:09:26,649 --> 00:09:27,759 registered Texas 183 00:09:27,759 --> 00:09:31,659 landmark status or a national red Richard landmark status 184 00:09:31,659 --> 00:09:32,120 although it's 185 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,440 hard to qualify for those things as well it would still yes 186 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,120 in fact yes that's 187 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,409 right local historic designation I'm so sorry my words just 188 00:09:40,409 --> 00:09:41,240 found me there could 189 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,840 be other tax incentives at the state and federal level 190 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:44,679 right that could be 191 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,649 exactly that could be added on to it and this doesn't keep 192 00:09:48,649 --> 00:09:50,120 any any property from 193 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,570 being eligible from also receiving additional funding 194 00:09:54,570 --> 00:09:55,639 grants or tax 195 00:09:55,639 --> 00:10:01,159 credits through the state or the federal government correct 196 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:11,840 okay question I don't 197 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:18,919 see reference back to the 98 - 116 ordinance in the new one 198 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:20,159 should it not 199 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:26,120 reference back to that mr. Drake legal counsel or is there 200 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:26,879 is a reference in 201 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:34,129 the top of the second page word to orders 98 116 oh there 202 00:10:34,129 --> 00:10:36,120 it is okay 203 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,870 commercial is there within the boundaries of the downtown 204 00:10:38,870 --> 00:10:39,840 area 98 - 205 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:48,419 116 okay so I get years yes so but but that that only 206 00:10:48,419 --> 00:10:49,320 applies to that first 207 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,480 condition it does preserves the the the situation that's 208 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,279 presently in the code 209 00:10:56,279 --> 00:11:00,539 right now this this condition number one is what's present 210 00:11:00,539 --> 00:11:02,240 ly in the code this 211 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:07,000 amendment adds the conditions two three and four as well 212 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,639 and it's and it's going 213 00:11:08,639 --> 00:11:11,480 to end up being an amendment the whole thing an amendment 214 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:12,600 to that original one 215 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:18,059 so because I was trying to see where it would still grant 216 00:11:18,059 --> 00:11:19,919 us the review if it 217 00:11:19,919 --> 00:11:23,120 was a completely independent ordinance but you're saying it 218 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,120 's not an independent 219 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,559 ordinance it's an amendment it's a code amendment if you 220 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:27,519 look on the first page 221 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:30,879 down at the bottom section 2 amendment it says that the 222 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:31,919 code of the city of 223 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:36,049 dentist is amended by amending chapter 10 article 7 section 224 00:11:36,049 --> 00:11:38,960 10 - 131 and so the 225 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:44,519 provisions 10 - 130 10 - 132 are going to continue on as 226 00:11:44,519 --> 00:11:47,200 written okay I see 227 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:53,799 thank you it's a very good question 228 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:59,590 does anybody else have any other questions any clar 229 00:11:59,590 --> 00:12:03,240 ifications thank you 230 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,919 so much for your presentation you're welcome thanks for 231 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:06,399 asking good 232 00:12:06,399 --> 00:12:10,879 questions y'all and thanks for the dial a friend question 233 00:12:10,879 --> 00:12:12,679 support always so 234 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,679 helpful 235 00:12:27,399 --> 00:12:29,899 come on I just want to make sure that y'all are gonna make 236 00:12:29,899 --> 00:12:31,200 a recommendation to 237 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:39,000 council about whether you want to that's the next part okay 238 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,000 so before us is the 239 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,769 option to either make a recommendation or not recommend I'd 240 00:12:45,769 --> 00:12:46,919 like an emotion to 241 00:12:46,919 --> 00:12:54,720 make a recommendation to approve this amendment to 98 - 116 242 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,159 ordinance okay 243 00:12:56,159 --> 00:13:01,929 thank you so much for your motion Helen I'll second that 244 00:13:01,929 --> 00:13:02,000 motion thank you so 245 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,440 much Aaron for your second okay it's open for discussion do 246 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:06,960 we have anything 247 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:13,690 else to discuss regarding this any clarification questions 248 00:13:13,690 --> 00:13:17,240 comments okay 249 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:27,090 yes John it's no longer downtown it's now encompassing the 250 00:13:27,090 --> 00:13:27,840 whole city city 251 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,919 limits yes so if we're looking at the ordinance it's not 252 00:13:32,919 --> 00:13:33,840 that it's no longer 253 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:38,879 downtown is this downtown in addition to you yes so it's 254 00:13:38,879 --> 00:13:40,600 not it is no longer 255 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:46,889 limited to the central commercial district so now we are 256 00:13:46,889 --> 00:13:47,919 also adding on 257 00:13:47,919 --> 00:13:51,129 any commercial building within a horse stark district any 258 00:13:51,129 --> 00:13:51,919 commercial building 259 00:13:51,919 --> 00:13:55,240 within a historic conservation district or any commercial 260 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,440 building that the City 261 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,799 Council deems historically significant or in need of 262 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:06,120 preservation that the City 263 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:11,620 Council deems historically significant or in need of 264 00:14:11,620 --> 00:14:12,759 preservation 265 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:21,860 okay all right are we prepared to make a vote all in favor 266 00:14:21,860 --> 00:14:23,759 of the motion please 267 00:14:23,759 --> 00:14:29,740 say aye aye any opposed please say nay all right we've 268 00:14:29,740 --> 00:14:30,879 passed unanimous 269 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:36,929 unanimously thank you so much for your work on this I 270 00:14:36,929 --> 00:14:39,399 really appreciate it 271 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:42,399 okay 272 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:54,590 let's look at item C hold a public meeting and consider am 273 00:14:54,590 --> 00:14:56,080 ending a 274 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:02,529 certificate of appropriateness with section 35.7 point six 275 00:15:02,529 --> 00:15:03,480 point eight a 276 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,549 with the development code to approve the wall didactic to a 277 00:15:07,549 --> 00:15:08,399 company that 278 00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:12,600 recently installed for permanent display Lynn Ford designed 279 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,360 doors at City Hall 280 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:19,080 all right thank you just as coming back to you and my 281 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,120 feelings won't be hurt if 282 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,159 it has to come back again but this is regarding the permit 283 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:24,720 and when I say 284 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,110 permanently installed it's just that those for those of you 285 00:15:27,110 --> 00:15:27,759 who are new to 286 00:15:27,759 --> 00:15:30,720 the committee there were some doors here on the eastern 287 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,080 side of City Hall that 288 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:37,480 were removed prior to there being an actual ordinance 289 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:38,559 protecting the building 290 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:42,580 and so there was some concern that the doors wouldn't be 291 00:15:42,580 --> 00:15:44,080 put back here where 292 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,049 they were hanging where they you passed through them they 293 00:15:47,049 --> 00:15:49,720 're made by Lynn Ford 294 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,860 in this picture the brother of O'Neill Ford who designed 295 00:15:51,860 --> 00:15:52,960 the building so now 296 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,509 they're kind of on display in the corridor there in a nice 297 00:15:56,509 --> 00:15:57,519 way they're not 298 00:15:57,519 --> 00:16:00,019 exactly square after they were cleaned up so it would have 299 00:16:00,019 --> 00:16:00,879 been we would have 300 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:04,289 put the city through quite a bit of expense to mount them 301 00:16:04,289 --> 00:16:05,200 back where they 302 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,629 were so for now they're on display and the question before 303 00:16:08,629 --> 00:16:10,440 you simply is would 304 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:16,879 this be sufficient to put up markers like this next to the 305 00:16:16,879 --> 00:16:18,600 doors as as 306 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,679 permanent part of the permanent display and for me the idea 307 00:16:21,679 --> 00:16:22,759 it was kind of I 308 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:26,230 don't remember how it all formed but I think it was 309 00:16:26,230 --> 00:16:28,200 important to to have O'Neill 310 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,809 Ford and his brother Lynn represented here so people knew 311 00:16:30,809 --> 00:16:31,500 when they came 312 00:16:31,500 --> 00:16:34,480 through the door if you've watched Benji the movie if you 313 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:35,200 haven't watched I 314 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,220 encourage you to rewatch it I just did not too long ago and 315 00:16:38,220 --> 00:16:38,919 a lot of the 316 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:41,669 original Benji movies filmed right there in that corridor 317 00:16:41,669 --> 00:16:42,879 and the dog passes 318 00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:49,799 through those those very doors when they made the movie and 319 00:16:49,799 --> 00:16:50,799 there's the police 320 00:16:50,799 --> 00:16:56,740 department in that movie too so and it along almost topic 321 00:16:56,740 --> 00:16:57,679 if you have it up 322 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:01,179 until September 22nd the O'Neill Ford exhibition is on 323 00:17:01,179 --> 00:17:02,419 display at UNT on the 324 00:17:02,419 --> 00:17:05,529 square a lot of work went into that and there's some unique 325 00:17:05,529 --> 00:17:06,640 items that you won't 326 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,970 most likely won't see again for a long time that are on 327 00:17:09,970 --> 00:17:12,599 display there so this 328 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:16,829 we asked before that the colors match so actually I 329 00:17:16,829 --> 00:17:19,079 purchased this photo from the 330 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:21,599 San Antonio Express via eBay I was real lucky it was used 331 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:23,519 in a lot of public in 332 00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:27,069 newspaper articles and it is black and white originally as 333 00:17:27,069 --> 00:17:28,240 well as this one was 334 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,190 black and white originally if you remember we presented 335 00:17:30,190 --> 00:17:30,759 before we had a 336 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:35,690 color image from the work over in probably on one of the TI 337 00:17:35,690 --> 00:17:37,299 projects Texas 338 00:17:37,299 --> 00:17:39,710 instruments that and that was a color so I feel like it's 339 00:17:39,710 --> 00:17:40,799 better because you're 340 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:43,630 going back and they're both colored and then there was a 341 00:17:43,630 --> 00:17:44,440 one of the most 342 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:49,839 influential as Helen had asked for is there and I mean we 343 00:17:49,839 --> 00:17:51,880 when we issued the 344 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,420 C of a to hang the doors we said that these would come back 345 00:17:54,420 --> 00:17:55,400 to you all so they 346 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,779 have to come back to you all for for final approval and I 347 00:17:59,779 --> 00:18:01,480 hadn't nailed down 348 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,980 what these would be mounted on it to me they just need to 349 00:18:03,980 --> 00:18:05,440 get up I'm solid on 350 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,289 the idea that done is better than perfect I don't care if 351 00:18:07,289 --> 00:18:07,920 they're mounted 352 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,220 on foam board and print it well they need to be up and then 353 00:18:10,220 --> 00:18:10,839 if they need to 354 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:13,400 be on bronze we're probably the city didn't is gonna make 355 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,200 them bronze or do 356 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,500 something a little more permanent but for me they just need 357 00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:18,519 to get get up there 358 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:22,119 and and and keep people aware of that you know I haven't 359 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,480 had that exhibit on 360 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,900 O'Neill Ford down there we had over a hundred people the 361 00:18:26,900 --> 00:18:27,880 most number of 362 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,059 people ever came to sit down in the UNT on the square to 363 00:18:31,059 --> 00:18:32,759 listen to Stephen Fox's 364 00:18:32,759 --> 00:18:37,640 200 and something slide slideshow about O'Neill Ford it was 365 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:38,319 an hour long 366 00:18:38,319 --> 00:18:41,779 straight and we had to pass out water and keep people going 367 00:18:41,779 --> 00:18:42,640 everybody left 368 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:47,579 real happy they got their money's worth so it really having 369 00:18:47,579 --> 00:18:48,839 researched him I'm 370 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:51,849 more impressed than ever with his work and what he did it 371 00:18:51,849 --> 00:18:53,359 is impact and how 372 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,920 he came from pink hill to Denton and then became you know 373 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,480 one of Texas's most 374 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:04,559 influential architects of the century these look fantastic 375 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:05,680 and I really like 376 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,640 the edited down more simplified versions of them as opposed 377 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:09,480 to what we saw 378 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:15,680 originally I think it's a much cleaner look I appreciate 379 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,519 the change in wording 380 00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:29,000 and I like the photos and so I'm just recommending that we 381 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:29,920 approve approve 382 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,890 those up to y'all okay does anybody else have any questions 383 00:19:33,890 --> 00:19:39,400 for Roman okay 384 00:19:43,519 --> 00:19:47,490 I just have one question absolutely the McNeil Art 385 00:19:47,490 --> 00:19:49,119 Institute is in San Antonio 386 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,490 being a native I mean is there also one in Austin as a 387 00:19:51,490 --> 00:19:52,839 native San Antonio and I 388 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:59,009 know of the McNeil in San Antonio I think there's one in 389 00:19:59,009 --> 00:20:00,839 San Antonio is the 390 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:03,000 one and I know what you're speaking about listen we could 391 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:03,759 clear it up just 392 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:11,559 we can just clear it up because I'm thinking the one in 393 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:12,599 your thing you said 394 00:20:12,599 --> 00:20:14,480 the other ones in Austin right yeah that's what that says 395 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,039 that's why I'm 396 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,000 asking you oh okay well I didn't know we did him a sphere 397 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,519 and Trinity towers 398 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:23,059 and stuff that's quite this I know the one in Austin's in 399 00:20:23,059 --> 00:20:24,319 Hyde Park so let me 400 00:20:24,319 --> 00:20:38,660 just put park it's MC NA why so yeah the one in Austin is 401 00:20:38,660 --> 00:20:39,240 spelled differently 402 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:45,410 it's actually it's a weird it's a weird spelling if I can 403 00:20:45,410 --> 00:20:46,359 get it there's 404 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,440 something else in Austin I know it's in Hyde Park fact we 405 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:51,779 can just go to the 406 00:20:51,779 --> 00:20:57,839 maps on 43rd Street what is it called it's yeah it's gonna 407 00:20:57,839 --> 00:20:58,799 okay it's it's 408 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:04,200 there's 40 46 it's by that shite pool is sitting right here 409 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,319 the nay it's the name 410 00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:13,019 museum in Austin so this may be wrong right yeah this is 411 00:21:13,019 --> 00:21:15,640 supposed to be 412 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:28,960 it says in Austin Texas my brain went to the Navy natives 413 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,640 rule in that regard 414 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:39,440 so it's in San Antonio it's the right spelling but the 415 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:45,079 wrong city okay anything 416 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:57,720 else that needs to be changed okay I can we approve with 417 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,319 this spelling change and 418 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:04,349 let it proceed on and get mounted we can okay I'd like to 419 00:22:04,349 --> 00:22:05,720 make a motion to 420 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:11,950 approve with the spelling is as mentioned for the didactics 421 00:22:11,950 --> 00:22:13,000 in the City 422 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,970 Hall building mm-hmm great thank you so much for your 423 00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:19,599 motion Helen second thank 424 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:26,390 you so much for your second Mary okay if there's no further 425 00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:27,440 discussion we can go 426 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:33,920 ahead and take a vote okay let's go ahead and vote for 427 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,599 approval please say aye 428 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:46,799 aye any opposed please say nay okay the motion is approved 429 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:48,000 and we'll just make 430 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,970 sure that you change those over to San Antonio not to 431 00:22:51,970 --> 00:22:55,000 Austin yeah Austin gets 432 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:01,730 plenty of friends all right and finally that brings us to 433 00:23:01,730 --> 00:23:03,119 the historic landmark 434 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,839 Commission project matrix any updates or changes that need 435 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:10,759 to be made to it 436 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,279 there's a historic preservation app Alyssa I think you 437 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:15,599 brought forth a long 438 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:19,059 time ago yeah and as part of the O'Neill Ford exhibit the 439 00:23:19,059 --> 00:23:21,079 Denton Convention and 440 00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:24,920 Visitors Bureau has made an app for O'Neill Forge work and 441 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:25,920 so I just need to 442 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,029 turn back around now and see well what we can probably just 443 00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:30,000 go right into that 444 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,160 map and put all the local landmarks and other interesting 445 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,880 sites on that app I 446 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,369 think it's called little little D little D on the app store 447 00:23:39,369 --> 00:23:41,000 at your thing and it 448 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,359 comes down I've tried it's cool got a little information on 449 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:45,960 each of the O'Neill 450 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:52,200 Ford buildings the educates ongoing items the preservation 451 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,279 plan we're gonna have 452 00:23:54,279 --> 00:24:00,059 our first kickoff meeting with some staff this Thursday if 453 00:24:00,059 --> 00:24:01,359 Richard can make 454 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,069 it and it's a that'll be with the Lakota group out of 455 00:24:05,069 --> 00:24:06,400 Chicago who have been 456 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,109 hired to work on the plan and I know you say Chicago they 457 00:24:10,109 --> 00:24:11,880 're way up there they 458 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,609 were chosen by the review but they were that the low the 459 00:24:15,609 --> 00:24:17,240 low bidder actually on 460 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,230 the on the agreement and also gave them really really 461 00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:22,880 really good comprehensive 462 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,240 planning ideas so point being I think that's an opportunity 463 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,480 for citizens to 464 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,480 bring forth their desire for more financial incentives for 465 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:32,039 historic 466 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:34,880 buildings and that can come out that way you know about 467 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,079 local designation of 468 00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:44,720 downtown Scott is still moving forward with that and I don 469 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,440 't think the status 470 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,819 has changed since the last meeting that we had it's not is 471 00:24:50,819 --> 00:24:52,359 it's planning to move 472 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,759 forward as far as I know it's still we've put it in 473 00:24:57,759 --> 00:24:59,319 ordinance form so it's 474 00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:02,220 just a matter of making sure that that it's correct and 475 00:25:02,220 --> 00:25:03,319 then we're gonna go 476 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:06,019 back out to the stakeholders and it'll be brought back in 477 00:25:06,019 --> 00:25:07,160 front of this this 478 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,420 commission and then sort of work its way P&Z then 479 00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:11,400 ultimately City Council right 480 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:17,670 what is the timeline that we're looking at I'm everybody's 481 00:25:17,670 --> 00:25:19,680 favorite question I 482 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,589 think we're trying to put it in around the same time as the 483 00:25:24,589 --> 00:25:26,039 trying to bring 484 00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:30,009 everything together with it with the DDC update okay so I 485 00:25:30,009 --> 00:25:32,319 would expect probably 486 00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:37,349 November when we'll have the final final ordinance complete 487 00:25:37,349 --> 00:25:38,599 to roll out together 488 00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:43,519 with the the initial draft staffed our public draft of the 489 00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:44,960 DDC update okay the 490 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,769 consolidated draft right so we're talking about November 491 00:25:47,769 --> 00:25:49,440 2018 correct and 492 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,990 then probably adoption towards the end of the year 493 00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:56,759 beginning of 19 and we'll be 494 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:00,230 I think wrapping into that the Denton develop the 495 00:26:00,230 --> 00:26:01,599 preservation part of the 496 00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:05,940 code rewrite comes in with that too correct it comes 497 00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:08,720 forward excellent thank 498 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:14,410 you so much for your update the WPA stone line canals haven 499 00:26:14,410 --> 00:26:15,519 't been I haven't 500 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:20,450 approached them with that I need to follow up with 501 00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:21,599 engineering is still I 502 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:25,900 understand that's still not funding for big changes to the 503 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:27,359 canals okay but we 504 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,259 need to I need to confirm that the it's a good thing Scott 505 00:26:31,259 --> 00:26:32,359 who's no longer the 506 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,880 committee reminded me to put back the Confederate monument 507 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:35,720 because I happen to 508 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,150 see in the Denton record Chronicle I don't know if y'all 509 00:26:40,150 --> 00:26:41,000 saw that but there's 510 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,500 a national organization that's going to that's chosen ten 511 00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:47,960 Confederate monuments 512 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:54,960 around the United States to put to put pressure on for 513 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,079 removal of them and that 514 00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:05,720 was in the paper within the last day or two okay last week 515 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,119 okay but you know 516 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,720 there's not the courthouse site is a local landmark so if 517 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,319 someone decides if 518 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:17,809 the county decides they want to remove the landmark or 519 00:27:17,809 --> 00:27:19,119 alter it or put a new 520 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,019 thing there that has to come before the committee that's 521 00:27:23,019 --> 00:27:24,680 the general idea but we 522 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,549 don't with this committee wouldn't normally take action to 523 00:27:27,549 --> 00:27:28,640 remove it that 524 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,720 would be like taking out telling someone they have to alter 525 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,880 their building right 526 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,779 so in general that's that's a little background if y'all 527 00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:37,079 need more than that 528 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:40,390 for me if you want me to research how this thing what 529 00:27:40,390 --> 00:27:41,920 people have how this has 530 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,890 been impact how landmark commissions have impacted that 531 00:27:44,890 --> 00:27:46,000 question around the 532 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,809 country I mean boy there's been a diverse amount of action 533 00:27:48,809 --> 00:27:49,359 some mayor's 534 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,980 just in the middle of night of taking them down and yeah 535 00:27:51,980 --> 00:27:52,680 other things have 536 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,730 happened and that was one of the prominent discussions at 537 00:27:56,730 --> 00:27:57,640 the NAPC 538 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,690 conference this year and the vast number of ways that it 539 00:28:01,690 --> 00:28:03,799 has been dealt with is I 540 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:08,829 mean it is really different for every community I think it 541 00:28:08,829 --> 00:28:09,440 would be 542 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,619 interesting to see how other people in Texas have dealt 543 00:28:13,619 --> 00:28:16,599 with it just so we've 544 00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:19,440 got a knowledge of what's going on within our own state 545 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,640 since the laws will 546 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,849 be a little more applicable to us specifically I'll begin 547 00:28:25,849 --> 00:28:26,759 to compile some 548 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:32,460 things then just in case that comes up here because that's 549 00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:33,519 landmarked through 550 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:38,230 the it's it's a little bit there's a county but there's a 551 00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:38,920 local landmark 552 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,000 designation on our courthouse so it's a treaty like the 553 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,160 courthouse but is it 554 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,450 also on the whole side when we do those we do the site so 555 00:28:46,450 --> 00:28:47,559 it's the entire site 556 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:54,079 okay so it would have to come before HLC okay yeah I think 557 00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:55,599 it would be a good idea 558 00:28:55,599 --> 00:29:00,059 to maybe is that something that we could do as a workshop 559 00:29:00,059 --> 00:29:03,319 item before a meeting 560 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:08,039 in the upcoming months just to look at how others have 561 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:09,519 dealt with it if y'all 562 00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:12,480 want sure I would like to gather a bunch of stuff and 563 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,440 workshop item you might get 564 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:21,079 asked about it compile some of the names that presented on 565 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:22,680 that very topic as well 566 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,869 please do I can provide you with a few of those I think it 567 00:29:26,869 --> 00:29:28,839 would be helpful so 568 00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:32,809 that's all that's on there today great I will say that the 569 00:29:32,809 --> 00:29:34,000 preservation plan I 570 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,809 mean you can add anything you'd like to it but as we move 571 00:29:36,809 --> 00:29:38,119 forward with that plan 572 00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:41,140 we'll be creating a steering committee we'll be asking some 573 00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:41,799 people to be 574 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:44,730 involved so things will kind of pick up in that regard okay 575 00:29:44,730 --> 00:29:45,400 and as we've just 576 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:52,180 made another tax incentive update can have we looked at 577 00:29:52,180 --> 00:29:55,000 creating a one page 578 00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:00,200 for tax incentives I will do that excellent thank you so 579 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,079 much okay I just 580 00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:05,789 want to make sure that it's clear sure as is there a common 581 00:30:05,789 --> 00:30:08,599 question so okay 582 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:14,640 awesome does anybody have anything to add to the matrix 583 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,519 okay thank you so much I 584 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:25,079 appreciate it Roman all right if there's no other business 585 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:25,759 does anybody have 586 00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:28,480 anything that needs to be added to the next agenda any 587 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,359 other business yes 588 00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:52,559 absolutely John yes Roman do you want to come on up 589 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:58,599 and then I heard that if something's not acted on in 45 590 00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:01,440 days it kicks in whether we 591 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:07,640 decided to do it or not let's double check with Roman yeah 592 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,500 Commissioner what happened there is the I was prepared to 593 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:12,720 have that on this 594 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,109 agenda so it wouldn't go beyond the 45 days and that's the 595 00:31:16,109 --> 00:31:17,119 chimney out at the 596 00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:21,819 house but the contractor has withdrawn his application to 597 00:31:21,819 --> 00:31:23,599 demolish the chimney 598 00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:27,569 he's going to leave it where it is he's gonna excellent and 599 00:31:27,569 --> 00:31:29,000 trim around it and 600 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,900 and it and I last time I checked it was trimmed nicely in 601 00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:34,359 same place that it was 602 00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:44,029 I saw it standing yesterday so yes I hope they put a little 603 00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:45,440 concrete back in 604 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:54,640 the holes but he withdrew the key is he withdrew the CIA so 605 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,039 if he would have to 606 00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:00,250 reapply and read we would re-trigger that okay thank you so 607 00:32:00,250 --> 00:32:00,720 much for your 608 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:07,500 update yes ma'am there are many people now moving into the 609 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:08,440 historic district 610 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,279 mm-hmm and for whatever reason the real estate agents you 611 00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:12,119 know better have not 612 00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:15,059 always given the information to them of what is required 613 00:32:15,059 --> 00:32:16,079 how are they to get 614 00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:18,839 this information whose job is that and how can we be sure 615 00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:19,980 they know standards 616 00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:22,880 because I'm tired of people getting forgiveness instead of 617 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,559 permission right 618 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:32,640 well if I'm not in I believe that we actually updated 619 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,720 something for the real 620 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:39,220 estates but the signage is pretty clear in all of the 621 00:32:39,220 --> 00:32:41,359 districts that are 622 00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:47,170 historic districts and I know that that I mean trust me I 623 00:32:47,170 --> 00:32:48,240 remember my first year 624 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,109 on the Commission we had a house come up that was literally 625 00:32:51,109 --> 00:32:52,119 across from the sign 626 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:54,420 that said you're now entering the Bell Historic 627 00:32:54,420 --> 00:32:57,240 Conservation District and they 628 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,569 still made some changes without getting a COA and it was 629 00:33:01,569 --> 00:33:07,759 terrifying but the 630 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:10,960 main thing is is that all that information is very easily 631 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:11,880 accessible on 632 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,970 the website now it doesn't take a lot of clicking around it 633 00:33:14,970 --> 00:33:17,000 's literally like boom 634 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,079 right there our historic preservation officer is readily 635 00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:22,019 available through the 636 00:33:22,019 --> 00:33:26,049 city there's not like a program or anything where someone 637 00:33:26,049 --> 00:33:26,559 is supposed to 638 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:32,480 like oh there's a new property owner so here is the rule 639 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,279 here are the rules and 640 00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:36,589 regulations it would be sort of nice to have some kind of 641 00:33:36,589 --> 00:33:37,960 thing underway since 642 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,180 they're already on the tax roll I already saw that I look 643 00:33:42,180 --> 00:33:42,880 they already hit 644 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,309 the tax roll so the city knows they exist to just send out 645 00:33:46,309 --> 00:33:47,799 a general notice 646 00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:51,769 to everybody once a year just I mean I know this is selling 647 00:33:51,769 --> 00:33:52,799 much even if it's 648 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,319 something to the registered owners because I know the 649 00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:56,359 people next door to me 650 00:33:56,359 --> 00:34:00,329 have no clue they looked at me like I was well so-and-so 651 00:34:00,329 --> 00:34:01,599 never said I won't 652 00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:06,769 mention the name that they write do this so they had a real 653 00:34:06,769 --> 00:34:08,400 estate agent not 654 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:14,239 informed them is that what is happening okay 655 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:30,989 we legally is there anything that we should or could be 656 00:34:30,989 --> 00:34:33,000 doing well really 657 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,329 that's the function of the building permit process is to 658 00:34:36,329 --> 00:34:38,000 catch those things 659 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,920 if you have people making changes to a structure without 660 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,880 checking into the 661 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,840 bill it building permit process there's there's very little 662 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:51,679 additional that you 663 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:58,409 can do right but paints and fences and painting is not 664 00:34:58,409 --> 00:34:58,960 going to require a 665 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,929 permit I wouldn't think you know but as far as you know 666 00:35:02,929 --> 00:35:04,440 modifications are 667 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,780 concerned that that should be caught during the permitting 668 00:35:07,780 --> 00:35:08,840 process but there 669 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,389 are some people that will skirt the permitting process and 670 00:35:12,389 --> 00:35:13,320 that just happens 671 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:18,530 I just it would be kind of nice if we had a little booklet 672 00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:19,320 to send to 673 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,909 everybody it doesn't have to be paper and sooner rather 674 00:35:22,909 --> 00:35:24,159 than later because 675 00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:27,340 could we add that to the matrix and I'll be obligated to 676 00:35:27,340 --> 00:35:29,079 get something I was I 677 00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:32,789 think I just a mailer I don't know if it had to be 678 00:35:32,789 --> 00:35:34,320 certified you don't spend a 679 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,059 lot of money doing this kind of thing but just a I mean it 680 00:35:37,059 --> 00:35:38,400 wouldn't could you 681 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,039 send out an annual mailer that just to every house all the 682 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:42,760 landmarks and all 683 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,739 the historic homes by the I guess you'd need the county the 684 00:35:46,739 --> 00:35:48,880 updated website and a 685 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:54,039 quick reminder how to of how to submit a COA and when they 686 00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:57,000 're they're necessary 687 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:04,800 right perhaps if this once you were I'm assuming the 688 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:05,440 ordinance is gonna pass 689 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:11,210 with the the tax incentive perhaps once that once that 690 00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:12,719 passes what we can do is 691 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,539 all of the properties that that would be subject to that 692 00:36:15,539 --> 00:36:17,320 ordinance we can send 693 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,539 out a letter one informing them of that of that ordinance 694 00:36:20,539 --> 00:36:21,320 that it's available 695 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,300 but then also what their requirements are and that might be 696 00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:24,960 a way that well 697 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,059 now that would be a different group from Mary's talking 698 00:36:28,059 --> 00:36:29,500 about historic district 699 00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:35,530 houses that are outside of the downtown just just read our 700 00:36:35,530 --> 00:36:36,559 three historic 701 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:40,670 districts actually it did commercial or residential 702 00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:41,500 building within the 703 00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:46,480 boundaries of the downtown commercial district it does not 704 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,260 the buildings it 705 00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:50,099 Richard referred to that would be every building commercial 706 00:36:50,099 --> 00:36:51,239 that's over 50 so 707 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,570 that would be yeah that's right that would be the whole 708 00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:55,519 that's a bet so it 709 00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:58,349 doesn't apply to residential be some weird there'll be a 710 00:36:58,349 --> 00:36:59,000 lot of buildings that 711 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,219 wouldn't you wouldn't be concerned about so I think it's 712 00:37:04,219 --> 00:37:05,800 just a male to the I 713 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,949 would what you're saying but still there's a change in the 714 00:37:08,949 --> 00:37:09,519 history so we 715 00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:12,280 could use that as an opportunity as a trigger point to to 716 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,039 go ahead and then 717 00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:17,739 notify people I'm having an idea to tag on to that I 718 00:37:17,739 --> 00:37:18,559 remember there have been a 719 00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:21,800 couple of occasions we've wanted to send out a mailer first 720 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:22,760 what reason or 721 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,710 another and this could be an opportunity to invite them to 722 00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:28,360 also 723 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,550 register their email address with the city so that next 724 00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:34,199 time we have one of 725 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,199 those cases you've got an email database to send out 726 00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:39,800 something with mm-hmm 727 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,239 that's a great idea I mean I don't think it would hurt to 728 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,840 have a one a quick one 729 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,730 sheet where that gets sent out once a year I could send y' 730 00:37:49,730 --> 00:37:50,960 all a draft and then 731 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,690 yeah back at me with what you think it needs in it for a 732 00:37:54,690 --> 00:37:57,039 true reason is that 733 00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:59,969 something that we can yeah I think what will day yeah what 734 00:37:59,969 --> 00:38:01,039 we'll do is for the 735 00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:04,199 next meeting just prepare something to because there is a 736 00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:05,039 residential I'm 737 00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:07,210 trying to think of the one that was recently designated 738 00:38:07,210 --> 00:38:07,840 they did get it 739 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,769 that's another that's a different incentive but maybe there 740 00:38:10,769 --> 00:38:11,360 's a way to 741 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:16,599 just summarize all of that right I mean I think it would be 742 00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:17,800 really easy to say 743 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,110 hey so happy to have you aboard I mean we can get into 744 00:38:21,110 --> 00:38:22,320 details later I'm so 745 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,599 sorry I don't want to take up time with that yeah I think 746 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:26,440 that's something we 747 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:33,440 can look at yeah yes I got greeted by Oh piggycaps game is 748 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:33,880 it here's the 749 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:40,659 booklet for about what you needed to do I can see that 750 00:38:40,659 --> 00:38:45,719 happening yeah yeah yeah 751 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,599 oh yeah okay all right anything else that needs to be 752 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:53,800 updated or discussed 753 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,869 okay there's no other business than the regular meeting is 754 00:38:57,869 --> 00:39:00,519 adjourned at 6 13 14 755 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:06,679 p.m. thank you just a reminder if you have time to go by 756 00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:07,519 the Appleton Center 757 00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:13,000 there's some but who just but I would like it to get I don 758 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:13,599 't want more than 759 00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:18,579 five five or more I don't want to go okay all right so that 760 00:39:18,579 --> 00:39:19,400 already good so 761 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,719 I'm gonna head over okay I will get again we'll get to see 762 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:23,960 that project as it 763 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:32,920 goes forward yes and welcome to our new members welcome