WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.000 I'm going to go ahead and call the meeting to order. 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:04.000 What a beautiful place for a wedding. 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:12.650 Um, I will now call the meeting to order at 540, no 37, 537 00:00:12.650 --> 00:00:13.000 p.m. 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:16.000 If you will please stand for the pledges of allegiance. 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:23.670 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 00:00:23.670 --> 00:00:24.000 America 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:28.679 and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:29.000 God 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:33.000 indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:39.490 Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one 00:00:39.490 --> 00:00:43.000 state under God, one and indivisible. 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:47.000 Where are you going? Where are you going? 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:50.000 Alright, so we have two items for consideration today. 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:52.630 The first is to consider approval of the Historic Landmark 00:00:52.630 --> 00:00:58.000 Commission meeting minutes from June 11th, 2018. 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:02.000 Do we have any issues with the meeting minutes? 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:04.000 I have one correction to make to the minutes. 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:05.000 Okay. 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:09.980 Um, on the second page where it's the paragraph about 60% 00:01:09.980 --> 00:01:11.000 of the way down that says, 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:14.180 "Commissioner Anderson questioned how far into the building 00:01:14.180 --> 00:01:16.000 the entrance would be pushed." 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:20.000 My real question was, the correction should say, 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:22.909 "Commissioner Anderson questioned how far from the building 00:01:22.909 --> 00:01:24.000 front to the curb." 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:27.000 Clif Tenders dated approximately nine feet. 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:29.000 Okay. 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:35.000 Any other corrections that need to be made? 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:37.000 I move we approve the minutes as amended. 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:39.000 Second. 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:42.000 Great. Anything else? 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:47.000 Let's go ahead and vote. 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:49.000 All those in favor say aye. 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:50.000 Aye. 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:52.000 All those opposed say nay. 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:55.000 Oops, sorry. 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:58.920 I said aye and then I said nay because I heard you say I 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:00.000 was an aye. 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:06.000 Deb Conte is not sure which one she is approving. 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:07.000 Just kidding. 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:11.000 She has said aye and has recused her nay. 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:13.000 Here we go. 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:14.000 Thank you. 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:17.990 So let's hold a public meeting and consider an application 00:02:17.990 --> 00:02:20.000 for certificate of appropriateness 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:26.060 in accordance with Section 35.7.6.8A for new dorm or 00:02:26.060 --> 00:02:30.000 windows at the home located at 2003 North Belle Avenue 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:33.000 located between University and Sherman Drive. 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.000 We'll have a presentation from Roman McAllen. 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:37.000 Thank you, Roman. 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.569 Okay. Thank you and thank you everyone for being here this 00:02:39.569 --> 00:02:40.000 evening. 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:45.610 This is a house on in the Belle Avenue Conservation 00:02:45.610 --> 00:02:47.000 District. 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:48.000 That's right. 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:50.110 Although there's a sign there now that calls it the 00:02:50.110 --> 00:02:54.000 historic district that will be forthcoming. 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:57.150 What we've got here is this house on the left here in the 00:02:57.150 --> 00:02:58.000 district. 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:02.000 That's the shape of the district on the right. 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:03.000 And this is a home. 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:06.000 The owner of this home owns two homes next to each other 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:11.000 and this one is to add these dormers to 2003 Belle Avenue. 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:15.680 And from the historic resource survey of '96, it was 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:18.000 actually given a low priority. 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:22.979 You see the X there on the onto your right and then a 1925 00:03:22.979 --> 00:03:27.000 Tudor style home with had synthetic siding on it. 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:31.000 And this is that home today on the left. 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:33.080 This is where the again its owner occupied and he's been 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:35.000 had this home under construction a long time. 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.150 I'm sure Commissioner Conte is very familiar with it and 00:03:38.150 --> 00:03:40.000 seen the work over the years. 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.129 This fellow is an accomplished carpenter who's been working 00:03:43.129 --> 00:03:45.000 on it, his property for a while. 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:48.000 So that's the front and the front elevation. 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:51.280 This is if you were looking at the home walking down the 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:56.210 sidewalk heading south, you would see it there on this left 00:03:56.210 --> 00:03:57.000 side. 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:01.199 That darker patch you see there's actually the roof over a 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:05.310 port crochet of the structure that he owns to the right of 00:04:05.310 --> 00:04:07.000 it, to the north. 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:09.860 So I'm just going to take you up and down the street so you 00:04:09.860 --> 00:04:13.000 get a feel for how this project would affect the street. 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:17.680 This is just coming across the street, again across the 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:18.000 street. 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:23.620 And this is the house he owns to the north, immediately to 00:04:23.620 --> 00:04:25.000 the north. 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:29.000 And there's the profile on the north side of that. 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:33.040 And then the one house to the south of the property is this 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:35.000 pretty brick bungalow. 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:41.240 Now this structure is two blocks to the north, two houses 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:43.000 to the north. 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:48.000 And this is even further than that, so three up. 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:52.680 Now this is the street view. This is looking north, down 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:54.000 North Bell. 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.360 The streets have recently been repaved and recurbed very 00:04:57.360 --> 00:04:58.000 nicely. 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:02.000 This is looking south from immediately in front of it. 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:06.000 This is the home across the street. 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:09.000 And to the south of that one house. 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:12.680 One thing you see here are these nice old driveways that 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:14.000 have not been paved. 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:19.980 Then one house is diagonally across to the south, to the 00:05:19.980 --> 00:05:22.000 east and south. 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:25.360 And then there's an intersection here. Remind me Deb, what 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.000 street is that there? 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:28.000 Roberts, I think. 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:32.680 Roberts, that's right. Roberts tees into Bell. This is the 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:34.000 view of the house. 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.000 So the house is behind. 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:43.110 If you were here, the work he is doing is behind that tree 00:05:43.110 --> 00:05:46.000 back there on that roof. 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.670 And what he wants to do, if you were looking at the front 00:05:48.670 --> 00:05:49.000 of that house, 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:53.000 so those trucks we saw were parked here in front. 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:56.860 This, just a little bit of background, you see there's a 00:05:56.860 --> 00:06:00.000 stamp reviewed for code compliance in 2012. 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.360 Prior to the existence of the Bell Avenue Conservation 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:07.329 District is when he asked for a building permit to add one 00:06:07.329 --> 00:06:08.000 dormer. 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:12.670 And it was approved. And so there's one dormer here that 00:06:12.670 --> 00:06:16.000 was approved for his building back then. 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:18.199 But he wanted to do this right and come on in and get a 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:20.000 certificate of appropriateness. 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:22.519 Now he's not here this evening and that may be partially my 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:23.000 fault. 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:26.089 I didn't remind him, but we did know he was on there. So I 00:06:26.089 --> 00:06:27.000 can answer a lot of questions. 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:32.000 I know Stephen a little bit. 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.000 I should have another picture in here. Here it is. 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:37.000 So if we were looking down from the north on that property, 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:43.000 what happened here from a building perspective is that the, 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:49.240 he's wanting to have that space be occupied in the second 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:50.000 floor. 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:53.490 And in order to finish that out properly and to meet fire 00:06:53.490 --> 00:06:56.000 code, he needs a means of egress. 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:59.000 So that's the reason to do one dormer. 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:02.360 But he wants to go ahead and bring more light into that 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:05.000 space and make it more user friendly. 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:11.000 Hence, he wants to add two more dormers going back there. 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:14.990 And I think he's labeled these egress window in the front 00:07:14.990 --> 00:07:20.000 and then the other window there on the side. 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:24.430 So now if you were on the sidewalk, you can understand that 00:07:24.430 --> 00:07:27.029 we were talking about some dormers that would be visible 00:07:27.029 --> 00:07:30.000 right back in there. 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.000 On that side of the house. So that's the elevation. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:41.000 Let me go back. That's the north elevation of the house. So 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:41.000 it'd be down in that side there. 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:45.000 I'm recommending approval of as it's been applied for. 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:49.680 I don't see how this harms this street in any way to make 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:53.000 that home more occupiable, 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:57.740 more useful and without a tremendous change to that sort of 00:07:57.740 --> 00:08:01.000 cottage condition that we see there. 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:10.000 And I'll take any questions you have. 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:13.500 I don't really have any questions other than dormer windows 00:08:13.500 --> 00:08:17.990 are certainly part of the design elements for this style 00:08:17.990 --> 00:08:18.000 house. 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.240 Stephen has done tons of work on this property that we have 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:23.000 approved as a commission. 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:32.850 He is a former HLC commissioner himself. So he knows a lot 00:08:32.850 --> 00:08:35.000 about architecture and how to do things right. 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:38.009 And I'm not surprised that he brought that back before us, 00:08:38.009 --> 00:08:40.000 even though he had prior approval. 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.049 I didn't even think to ask the neighborhood about it. I 00:08:43.049 --> 00:08:45.610 thought he might have already gone and talked to our 00:08:45.610 --> 00:08:46.000 neighbors. 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:51.309 So I don't have any other things to add to that. I don't 00:08:51.309 --> 00:08:57.000 see anybody on our street having any objection to this. 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:09.000 I can't speak for them all, but I can't imagine. 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:12.000 Was there any problem that you saw with any of this? 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:18.139 No, none at all. Obviously, he's done a lot of restorative 00:09:18.139 --> 00:09:19.000 work on these properties. 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:22.440 The one to the north looks like it. I can't wait for him to 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:24.000 get started on that. 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:28.000 So there's these are going on that side angle, right? 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:29.000 That one, right. 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:30.000 OK. 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:31.000 Not on the part that faces. 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:35.620 So you can see them from the street view, but they're not 00:09:35.620 --> 00:09:36.000 on the front. 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:38.000 They don't face the street. 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:40.000 Right. OK. 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:45.960 What was the back of the picture of the drawing on the two 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:48.000 outside dormers? 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:55.000 You have a window and then what? Is that sighting? 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:58.000 An awning window? 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:02.000 To the right of the left window. 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:04.000 It looks like there's a louver. 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:08.669 It says vent. I don't know if he means it's a shutter or 00:10:08.669 --> 00:10:12.210 decorative purposes or is he he may actually have a vent 00:10:12.210 --> 00:10:16.470 there for maybe for cooling it down and after after the sun 00:10:16.470 --> 00:10:17.000 sets. 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:18.000 I'm not sure. 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:21.000 Because he's got a vent on both sides. 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.000 He's got one on each side. 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:29.000 They're both on the interior of the window. 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:32.000 I'm sorry, John. I can't answer that one directly. 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:35.580 I just wondered, they looked like they were both in and the 00:10:35.580 --> 00:10:38.000 windows were not centered. 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:41.000 They were to the outside edges. 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:43.000 I didn't know. 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:46.360 You know, it's unusual, but this house is an asymmetric 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:47.000 house. 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:52.000 So I think it works pretty well for this architecture. 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:57.690 Yeah, I think it would look it would look less appropriate 00:10:57.690 --> 00:11:00.000 if it was formal. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:02.000 Good point. Can you say that again? 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:05.000 I'm sorry. 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:11.000 If you want to flip back to the to this elevation. 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:17.429 So the dormers are asymmetrical in their placement on the 00:11:17.429 --> 00:11:18.000 roof. 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:23.169 And also the dormer on the left and the dormer on the right 00:11:23.169 --> 00:11:28.779 are also, you know, unusual that the window isn't centered 00:11:28.779 --> 00:11:31.000 in the in the dormer. 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:32.000 Right. 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:36.669 Which I think is the appropriate architectural style for 00:11:36.669 --> 00:11:40.000 this house because this is an asymmetric tutor. 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:44.679 And if they had, you know, if he if he centered them or put 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:49.360 a peak on the dormer, it would look inappropriate on this 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:51.000 style of house. 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.000 Yeah. 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:58.220 He's got, you know, he's got shed roof dormers, which that 00:11:58.220 --> 00:11:59.000 's the right. 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:04.000 That's the right nomenclature for this building. 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:09.000 Roman is he also adding that couple. 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:10.000 I am not sure. 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:13.610 I think it's there because he didn't he didn't ask for a 00:12:13.610 --> 00:12:15.000 permit for that. 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.000 And I don't have a way of seeing that. 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:19.000 Let's see. 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:23.000 We'll do a quick check. 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:24.000 I love the trees. 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.960 They do make it hard to see parts of the architecture, 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:30.000 though. 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:33.000 Where is your drone image? 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:37.000 That's my question. 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:40.000 Yeah. 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:54.000 Weaponized for people violating your see ways. 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:56.000 Let's see that right. 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:57.000 There's a lot going on. 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:58.000 That's the right. 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:00.000 I was going to say that is a lot going on. 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:02.000 She said like right there. 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:06.000 He has had this like this for years. 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:08.000 This might be the coupe. 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:10.000 It looks a lot of small. 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:12.000 It's been under construction. 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:17.000 Constant constant for the 20 years we've lived there. 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:18.000 Yes. 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:19.000 Yes. 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.000 They look like they're in the appropriate spot. 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.000 Yes, he does. 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:28.000 Well, he lives next door and he restores this. 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:35.990 I think the application states adding three dormers and 00:13:35.990 --> 00:13:36.000 doesn't say anything about a couple. 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:37.000 Okay. 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:39.000 So really that's all we can speak on. 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.000 Okay. 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:47.000 Are there any other questions for Roman? 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:50.000 Would anybody like to entertain a motion? 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:53.000 I'll make a motion to approve. 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:58.000 All right, Dev has made an emotion to approve. 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:02.000 Helen has seconded it. 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.000 So it's open for discussion. 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:10.610 Is there anything else we need to say about this before we 00:14:10.610 --> 00:14:12.000 take a vote? 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:13.000 John? 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:21.210 Yeah, I would just like to see it, I don't know if it's 00:14:21.210 --> 00:14:27.720 personal, with a peak on the dorm room rather than a flat 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:30.000 room or a shed room. 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:37.330 And I don't know if that is just me speaking or is that 00:14:37.330 --> 00:14:42.000 personal taste or? 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:46.679 I really liked what Helen pointed out about being an asymm 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:50.889 etrical two-door and that the shed dormer being more 00:14:50.889 --> 00:14:55.000 appropriate than a peak for this kind of home. 00:14:55.000 --> 00:15:02.529 I don't see a shed dormer being inappropriate for the style 00:15:02.529 --> 00:15:04.000 of home. 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:07.090 I mean, I think we each have our own opinions about what we 00:15:07.090 --> 00:15:08.000 like though. 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:12.000 I did not hear that properly. 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:16.000 I was thinking she was saying a peak. 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:23.559 It's called a shed dormer as opposed to a rich, well, gable 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:25.000 dormer. 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:26.000 A gable dormer, yeah. 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.559 We've got both on our house, by the way, gable dormers and 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.600 shed, but the ones that you can see from the street are 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:33.000 shed dormers on our tutor. 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:36.120 Okay, what about the windows in the middle instead of being 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:37.000 on the edges? 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:41.000 Well, like she said. 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:44.700 They're asymmetrical and I mean they're symmetrical to each 00:15:44.700 --> 00:15:51.000 other in some ways, but because it's an asymmetrical tutor. 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:54.000 Helen, you can speak on this more than I can. 00:15:54.000 --> 00:16:01.029 What I was stating was that this house, the architectural 00:16:01.029 --> 00:16:05.000 style of this home is an asymmetric tutor. 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:12.470 And an asymmetric tutor house should appropriately follow 00:16:12.470 --> 00:16:16.000 that style all the way through. 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:22.169 And so the dormers that he has proposed are shed dormers 00:16:22.169 --> 00:16:25.000 with off center windows. 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:30.000 And that's appropriate for, I believe, for this style. 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:38.210 If you try to put a gable dormer with a peak on it and a 00:16:38.210 --> 00:16:41.000 ridge and centered windows, 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.169 it'll look like it's got a Victorian element in a tutor 00:16:45.169 --> 00:16:46.000 style. 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:50.179 And so those two styles will compete with each other and it 00:16:50.179 --> 00:16:52.000 'll look out of place. 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:58.000 Most dormers you see on modern houses are Victorian style. 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:00.830 This house, if you're going to stay with the historic style 00:17:00.830 --> 00:17:04.000 , you should stay with that. 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:11.000 More appropriately the design elements he has proposed. 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:14.000 Thank you. 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:16.000 All right. 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:19.450 Do we have any other questions or discussion while we still 00:17:19.450 --> 00:17:21.000 have this motion open? 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:23.000 All right. 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:24.000 Let's go ahead and vote. 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:26.000 All those in favor say aye. 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.000 Aye. 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:31.000 All those opposed say nay. 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:37.000 Okay. 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:38.000 Okay. 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:41.000 Let's move on. 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:48.589 We have -- we're going to consider -- consider amending a 00:17:48.589 --> 00:17:50.000 certificate of appropriateness 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:55.609 in accordance with section 35.7.6.8.8 to approve the wall 00:17:55.609 --> 00:17:58.000 text to accompany the recently installed 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:03.000 for permanent display Linford design doors at City Hall, 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:05.000 which you probably saw on your way in. 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:09.670 The building is located at 215 East McKinney Street on the 00:18:09.670 --> 00:18:11.000 north side of East McKinney 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:13.700 between North Locust and North Bell and Roman is going to 00:18:13.700 --> 00:18:15.000 give a presentation. 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:16.000 Okay. Thank you. 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:18.829 Yes, this is about -- a few months ago we had a 00:18:18.829 --> 00:18:23.000 presentation, you know, the doors were removed here 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:26.539 from this entry and we had a lot of people concerned with 00:18:26.539 --> 00:18:28.000 what happened to them. 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.000 And so we had that discussion. 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.000 They were actually restored. 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.000 They were not perfectly square. 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:36.000 They didn't match well. 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.000 There were a lot of reasons not to put them back. 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:42.980 I can think of more reasons why not to take them out, but 00:18:42.980 --> 00:18:44.000 they were out. 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:47.329 And so we were -- as a commission, we had to figure out 00:18:47.329 --> 00:18:48.000 what to do. 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:52.000 And we talked about doing something like here on the left 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:54.000 and where these are the doors. 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.000 We're looking down into that corridor. 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:58.000 There's the opening going outside. 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:01.000 This is the kind of where we approved it. 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:04.779 And then we approved that the doors be installed inside 00:19:04.779 --> 00:19:08.000 that corridor, but we did have -- 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:13.609 I believe Commissioner Bailey asked that we bring back the 00:19:13.609 --> 00:19:15.000 actual diorama -- not diorama, 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:18.099 but whatever the didactic that goes along with the doors 00:19:18.099 --> 00:19:19.000 being there. 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:21.000 And that's what I'm bringing back to you here. 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:26.000 So here are the doors if you come in that entry today. 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:30.680 Kirkpatrick Architects helped with the layout and the 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:32.000 design, how they would sit, 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:35.000 and some craftsmen came in and got them out. 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:37.569 They're made so that you can slide them out if for any 00:19:37.569 --> 00:19:39.000 reason they're just at the right angle 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:42.000 that you could pull one or the other out. 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:49.990 Then the city is planning to move the sword over to display 00:19:49.990 --> 00:19:51.000 a little bit to the right 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:53.000 in that image down that corridor. 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:56.549 And then the city managers and mayors have been brought 00:19:56.549 --> 00:19:58.000 back to this place. 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:01.990 I would have liked to have seen this kind of moved first 00:20:01.990 --> 00:20:04.000 and maybe give us some breathing room here. 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.210 I'm not sure about that and if that may be an option down 00:20:07.210 --> 00:20:08.000 the line. 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:12.000 But anyway, that's not what we're addressing. 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:15.390 You know that there were -- the city council people were 00:20:15.390 --> 00:20:16.000 here before, 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:20.000 and they've been displayed, those images, on the stairwell. 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:22.000 So there are the doors. 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:25.000 Again, so that creates an opportunity here. 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.289 I don't know exactly what I'm bringing back to you, quite 00:20:27.289 --> 00:20:28.000 frankly. 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.269 I didn't make a recommendation, but I do -- I know I'm 00:20:30.269 --> 00:20:31.000 bringing back some text, 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:34.000 which we have everyone here could check the text. 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:36.829 And Jerry went over the check and I had something in there 00:20:36.829 --> 00:20:38.000 and he caught that. 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:41.390 But this wording is also from one of the textbook -- or one 00:20:41.390 --> 00:20:43.000 of the books on O'Neill Ford 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:46.000 and just kind of pieced together a little history. 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:48.000 So here it is here. 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:51.000 I can read through it if that's useful. 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:53.569 You know, if you guys want to hear it, let me just read 00:20:53.569 --> 00:20:54.000 through it. 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:56.000 We'll just make sure it reads right, if anybody catches it. 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:59.640 So O'Neill Ford was the most influential architect of the 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:01.000 20th century -- 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:02.000 I'm sorry. 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:05.089 O'Neill Ford was the most influential Texas architect of 00:21:05.089 --> 00:21:06.000 the 20th century, 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:10.000 a technological innovator who bridged Texas's rural past 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.000 and urban future. 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:15.259 He taught three generations of architects how to adapt vern 00:21:15.259 --> 00:21:16.000 acular forms 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:19.000 and materials to modern conditions. 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:21.869 Widely known as the designer or restorer of such San 00:21:21.869 --> 00:21:25.000 Antonio landmarks as La Viejita, 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:29.000 Hemisphere Plaza, and Trinity University, 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:31.670 Ford also designed buildings from Laredo in deep south 00:21:31.670 --> 00:21:33.000 Texas to Saratoga Springs 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:37.000 in upstate New York over the course of his 60-year career. 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:42.000 During the mid-1960s, Ford also designed numerous buildings 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:44.000 in his second hometown, Denton. 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:47.700 He created a civic complex that includes the City Hall you 00:21:47.700 --> 00:21:49.000 are standing in now, 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:51.400 an assembly building immediately to the east of this 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:54.000 building, and a public swimming pool. 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:58.670 He also designed an addition to the Emily Fowler Library in 00:21:58.670 --> 00:22:00.000 1981. 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:02.000 That's that one. 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:06.000 So I do have one comment for you. 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:07.000 Okay. 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:12.000 And I'm not sure that it -- this may be splitting hairs, 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:16.819 but there is more than one influential Texas architect of 00:22:16.819 --> 00:22:19.000 the 20th century. 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:22.000 The most notable one I can think of is Philip Johnson. 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:27.609 So I think we might want to say O'Neill Ford was one of the 00:22:27.609 --> 00:22:28.000 most -- 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:31.000 Or was an influential Texas architect. 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:34.299 One of the most influential Texas architects of the 20th 00:22:34.299 --> 00:22:35.000 century. 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:39.670 Something that makes it not so absolute because that is 00:22:39.670 --> 00:22:42.000 perhaps too absolute a statement 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:46.000 for some who might read it on the wall. 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:48.000 Yes, that sounds really good. 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:49.000 Yeah, that sounds great. 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:50.000 I agree with that. 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:54.670 Also, should Hemisphere Plaza have a space between Hem 00:22:54.670 --> 00:22:57.000 isphere? 00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:58.000 Where are we? 00:22:58.000 --> 00:22:59.000 Hemisphere? 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:00.000 Oh, it might. 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:01.000 I'm not sure the proper -- that sounds right. 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:02.000 We'll double check that. 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:03.000 Hyphenated, do you think? 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:04.000 Let me check. 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:07.000 We can pull that up. 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:09.000 Nope, it is one word. 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:10.000 You are correct. 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:13.000 Do we want to add anything about the homes that he -- 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:15.420 something where it says the rest of the buildings that he 00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:16.000 created? 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.000 Do we want to say anything? 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:19.000 Yes. 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:22.000 There's a lot of buildings in there as well as numerous 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:24.000 homes that are still, you know, 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:28.670 lived in today or something like that because that's 00:23:28.670 --> 00:23:32.000 important that we've got him all around. 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:33.000 He created some -- 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:35.450 Maybe after all sorts of numerous buildings and homes in 00:23:35.450 --> 00:23:37.000 his second hometown, Denton. 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:38.000 There you go. 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:40.000 I think so, building. 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:41.000 Hemisphere and homes. 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:44.000 Hemisphere should not be capitalized. 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:46.000 Hemisphere should not be capitalized. 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:49.000 Only the H should, the F should not be. 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:50.000 It is all one word. 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:51.000 Okay. 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:54.650 And does that work where Jerry said, Deb, that we would say 00:23:54.650 --> 00:23:57.000 during the mid-1960s -- it 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:00.039 can't be because he actually -- one of his earliest, if not 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:01.000 first homes is -- 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:02.000 Lodge growing. 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:03.000 -- this quarter line. 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:04.000 That's right. 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:05.000 It's on North Bell. 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:08.400 So we would have to have maybe a separate -- during his mid 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:09.000 -1960s. 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:13.670 So maybe it's the opening line there is O'Neill Ford's 00:24:13.670 --> 00:24:15.000 career -- it could almost be said that 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:16.000 it started in Denton. 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:20.380 But I mean, it's -- because you do -- I looked and I think 00:24:20.380 --> 00:24:22.000 it seems to be just one structure 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:26.000 at a ranch and maybe in the Hill Country that was -- 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:27.000 Before that. 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.000 -- before the home on North Bell that T.W. owns -- T.W. 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:31.000 owns today. 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:32.000 Okay. 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:38.000 So this is -- there's no rush on this. 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:41.000 Why don't I take this into consideration and come back? 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:43.400 But there's no one chomping at the bit to put a marker 00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:44.000 there. 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:45.000 Okay. 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.140 So I'll just let them know that we're still working -- we 00:24:48.140 --> 00:24:50.000 'll bring it back another draft. 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:51.000 If that's okay? 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.000 Is this going to be brass or -- 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:54.000 That's a good -- 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:55.000 Brass? 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:56.000 I have that question. 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:59.000 I'll present you something on that. 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:01.000 Helen, just a minute. 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:03.500 If you want -- if you can wait, we'll do the Lynn Ford one 00:25:03.500 --> 00:25:05.000 and then the brass question. 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:09.990 So Lynn Ford, craftsman, cabinetmaker, builder, and teacher 00:25:09.990 --> 00:25:12.000 frequently collaborated with his 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:14.000 brother, O'Neill Ford. 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:16.000 They were born in Sherman, Texas. 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:24.529 He was the second son of Leonides Bertram, Bert, and Lula 00:25:24.529 --> 00:25:26.000 Bell Sinclair Ford. 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:31.069 Lynn had a younger sister, Othella, an artist in her own 00:25:31.069 --> 00:25:32.000 right. 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:35.000 Bert Ford introduced Lynn to the art of wood carving. 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:38.990 The elder Ford died in a train wreck in 1918 after which 00:25:38.990 --> 00:25:41.000 Bell Ford moved the family to Denton. 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:45.980 From 1938 to 1953, Ford collaborated with his brother in 00:25:45.980 --> 00:25:49.000 building homes for prominent Texans. 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:52.339 Generally, he worked with unskilled laborers to lay bricks, 00:25:52.339 --> 00:25:55.000 set tile, and make furniture, 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.000 doors, mantles, beams, and other carpentry work. 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:01.630 He temporarily left this work for service in the Army 00:26:01.630 --> 00:26:05.000 during World War II for which he won several medals. 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:08.769 His work is prominently featured in several Texas landmarks 00:26:08.769 --> 00:26:13.000 including the McNay Art Institute in Austin, Texas, 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:21.000 and Skidmore College in Saratoga Springs, New York. 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:24.680 So that's what we have for Lynn in this great photograph 00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:31.000 from the UTR drives of Lynn Ford. 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:36.779 So what I was thinking is we have the bronze in the 00:26:36.779 --> 00:26:38.000 corridor. 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.480 I thought I had a picture of it here, but I guess I didn't 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:41.000 put it. 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:43.000 Let me double check. 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.000 Yes, I didn't incorporate it. 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.509 Across the hall there, we have the bronze markers for this 00:26:47.509 --> 00:26:48.000 building. 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:52.690 And so I was sort of photoshopping these in as what do you 00:26:52.690 --> 00:26:54.000 end up with? 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:57.000 The bronze and then the scale of these, these may be wrong. 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:03.200 We had presented the idea of a much larger image here, but 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:05.000 this was just sort of plain of that. 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:10.200 And here's a version, maybe it's bronze with something else 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:11.000 back. 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.000 I did feel that they should be monumental in a way. 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:18.000 The scale shouldn't be small. 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.539 I mean, given that the door, whole door system was the 00:27:21.539 --> 00:27:23.000 signature before. 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:27.670 We don't have the carved wood door system and we're doing 00:27:27.670 --> 00:27:29.000 something smaller here. 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:36.000 So there's also the question of that. 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:39.000 I've seen that image of O'Neill Ford in black and white, 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.000 but then it exists in color. 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.000 So do they, these are questions. 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:44.000 Do we need an image? 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:50.000 Are we on the right track? 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:53.000 I don't mind the image as long as they're both the same. 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.950 So if one is in black and white, I would put both in black 00:27:56.950 --> 00:27:58.000 and white. 00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:00.480 Especially if you've got a wall of black and white right 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:01.000 next to it, 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:05.680 which I know that might be changing, but it seems more 00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:11.000 appropriate for them to both be in black and white. 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:16.650 Depending on how you do it, the colors may fade with that 00:28:16.650 --> 00:28:18.000 sunlight. 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.670 The historic markers that I had put on the Denton UNT 00:28:22.670 --> 00:28:27.000 campus are basically bronze 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:33.519 and like another tone of bronze that the photo is actually 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.000 kind of etched into the bronze. 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.000 So there's no, it's just more of a contrast image. 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:44.650 It's more like it looks black and white, but it's actually 00:28:44.650 --> 00:28:46.000 layers of bronze. 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.000 Oh, wow. I love that. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:54.950 Yeah. But you might, you might, I can send you a photo of 00:28:54.950 --> 00:28:56.000 one of those 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.549 and I can actually find you where we ordered them if you 00:28:58.549 --> 00:28:59.000 want. 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:03.000 Okay. Okay. We could bring back that as an option? 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:07.680 You know, it might affect what image you choose because you 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.000 know if it's too detailed, 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:23.000 like this, it might lose it a little bit, lose the detail. 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:27.140 So I guess we need to see some more options and a final 00:29:27.140 --> 00:29:28.000 draft. 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.000 Okay. Does that sound right? 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.000 Yeah, that sounds good. We'll do it. It was just no hurry. 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:39.049 So let's bring that back and if we have an August meeting, 00:29:39.049 --> 00:29:40.000 which I do have another item for that. 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:42.480 So I would say I didn't make a recommendation for a reason 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:43.000 there. 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:45.000 I just wanted to see where to go. 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:46.000 Perfect. 00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:49.000 Overall, you are okay with the way the doors turned out? 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:50.000 They're beautiful. 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.000 I love that. I noticed them on my way in. 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.000 Yeah. It's a great place if they had to be moved. 00:29:55.000 --> 00:30:02.349 And it's a really minimal mounting, very delicate, really 00:30:02.349 --> 00:30:05.000 the mounting disappears 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.000 so you can really just appreciate the doors, which is great 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:08.000 . 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:11.000 And I like it that they're not flat against the wall. 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:15.000 Yeah, that's great. I feel the same way. 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.000 All right. Well, those, that's it on that item. 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:21.000 The next thing down. 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:24.630 Great. So we're going, can we hear a motion to continue the 00:30:24.630 --> 00:30:25.000 item? 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.000 Do we need a vote for that? 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.000 Did we just continue? Great. 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:32.000 Great. So we're going to continue that item. 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:37.000 And then the final thing on our agenda is our matrix. 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:44.000 This is relatively unchanged. 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:47.480 We have the final documents finally going forward for the 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:49.000 preservation plan. 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.000 I was waiting to get some account number right. 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:53.000 And so that's ready to go in. 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.000 We should be engaging somebody soon. 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:58.170 I don't want to make it public till we get the lock in, I 00:30:58.170 --> 00:31:00.000 guess, from the other side on that. 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.000 But very, very optimistic about that. 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.539 And I'll take any recommendations or anything else you all 00:31:07.539 --> 00:31:10.000 want to see changed or brought up. 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.200 I've had several people in the community recently ask me 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:16.000 about the designation of downtown on their own, 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:19.000 not realizing I'm part of HLC. 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:23.680 And so I guess my quick question, I always recommend to 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:27.210 them calling their city council person and recommending 00:31:27.210 --> 00:31:31.000 that that be something that gets pushed through. 00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:34.980 Is there anything else that we can do as community members 00:31:34.980 --> 00:31:39.000 as well as HLC board members or commission members? 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:44.000 You know, we have the Scott McDonald has been working. 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:47.619 And as far as I know, is still going forward with a design 00:31:47.619 --> 00:31:52.210 district downtown and that you heard about him either was 00:31:52.210 --> 00:31:55.000 the last meeting of the meeting before. 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:59.670 And that though under that scenario, we're not labeling 00:31:59.670 --> 00:32:02.000 anything a local historic district. 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:06.950 But the way that that ordinance will be drafted is such 00:32:06.950 --> 00:32:12.019 that you will have the same protection protections you 00:32:12.019 --> 00:32:16.000 typically see for for a downtown district. 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.940 That that you cannot demolish buildings in the district or 00:32:18.940 --> 00:32:21.819 alter buildings in the district without a certificate of 00:32:21.819 --> 00:32:23.000 appropriateness. 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:26.460 The discussion I'm hearing now is and again, he's been we 00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:28.000 've been successful. 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:29.910 This has been something, of course, as you all know, you 00:32:29.910 --> 00:32:31.000 all been here longer than me. 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:33.400 It's been hard to get the proper protections for the 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:35.000 National Register District. 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:39.000 So I see us moving in that direction. 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.000 And it seems like to get the buy in. 00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:44.269 It may be that the review board for certificate of appropri 00:32:44.269 --> 00:32:45.000 ateness. 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:48.980 One suggestion that's been brought up is it might have two 00:32:48.980 --> 00:32:53.630 or three members from HLC, two or three members from P and 00:32:53.630 --> 00:32:57.009 Z and two or three from the people that live in the 00:32:57.009 --> 00:32:58.000 district or in the community. 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.000 That's just a suggestion. 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.240 It still will have to be brought back to the Landmark 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:03.000 Commission. 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.359 But I've heard that I'm just letting you know what all I've 00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:07.000 heard. 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:10.619 But we it's moving forward along with the development 00:33:10.619 --> 00:33:14.730 services department's been extremely busy with a small area 00:33:14.730 --> 00:33:18.730 plan that Ron has been overseeing with the development code 00:33:18.730 --> 00:33:22.190 is we got the pedal to the to the metal on getting that 00:33:22.190 --> 00:33:23.000 through. 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:30.089 And with that will come the preservation revisions. So it's 00:33:30.089 --> 00:33:30.789 just been there's been a lot of things moving forward all 00:33:30.789 --> 00:33:31.000 at once. 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.349 And now the preservation plan will come in and we'll be 00:33:34.349 --> 00:33:37.490 asking members of this commission to be part of the 00:33:37.490 --> 00:33:41.140 steering committee for that as that goes for the whole city 00:33:41.140 --> 00:33:42.000 forward. 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.000 Thank you so much for your update on that. 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.000 Sure. 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:49.000 Any other questions. 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.000 We have one more thing on our ongoing business. 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:55.000 We would like to thank you for your service. 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:58.559 You've been with us for what seven years seven years chair 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:01.000 and I know that you are rolling off. 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.000 Is this your last meeting either this or August. 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:06.890 I thought it was August but it might be August that I want 00:34:06.890 --> 00:34:08.000 to thank you now. 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:10.840 So thank you so much for all the service that you provided 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:13.610 us with and the great amount of growth that we've seen 00:34:13.610 --> 00:34:15.000 under your leadership. 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.000 It's been great. 00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:22.000 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:26.000 And for the passion. 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.000 Good. 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:32.250 Do we have any other ongoing business or anything that 00:34:32.250 --> 00:34:34.000 needs to be added to next. 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.000 The next agenda. 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:42.000 Okay great. Then let's finish this thing up. 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.650 There's no other business than the regular meeting is 00:34:45.650 --> 00:34:48.000 adjourned at 6 10 p.m. 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.000 Thank you. 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:54.000 Thank you. 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:58.000 Question you'll be there before you get the doors.