1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 I'm going to go ahead and call the meeting to order. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,000 What a beautiful place for a wedding. 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:12,650 Um, I will now call the meeting to order at 540, no 37, 537 4 00:00:12,650 --> 00:00:13,000 p.m. 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,000 If you will please stand for the pledges of allegiance. 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,670 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 7 00:00:23,670 --> 00:00:24,000 America 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,679 and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under 9 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:29,000 God 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,000 indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:39,490 Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one 12 00:00:39,490 --> 00:00:43,000 state under God, one and indivisible. 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Where are you going? Where are you going? 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Alright, so we have two items for consideration today. 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,630 The first is to consider approval of the Historic Landmark 16 00:00:52,630 --> 00:00:58,000 Commission meeting minutes from June 11th, 2018. 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Do we have any issues with the meeting minutes? 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 I have one correction to make to the minutes. 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Okay. 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,980 Um, on the second page where it's the paragraph about 60% 21 00:01:09,980 --> 00:01:11,000 of the way down that says, 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,180 "Commissioner Anderson questioned how far into the building 23 00:01:14,180 --> 00:01:16,000 the entrance would be pushed." 24 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,000 My real question was, the correction should say, 25 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,909 "Commissioner Anderson questioned how far from the building 26 00:01:22,909 --> 00:01:24,000 front to the curb." 27 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Clif Tenders dated approximately nine feet. 28 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Okay. 29 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Any other corrections that need to be made? 30 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,000 I move we approve the minutes as amended. 31 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Second. 32 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Great. Anything else? 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Let's go ahead and vote. 34 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,000 All those in favor say aye. 35 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Aye. 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 All those opposed say nay. 37 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,000 Oops, sorry. 38 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,920 I said aye and then I said nay because I heard you say I 39 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,000 was an aye. 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Deb Conte is not sure which one she is approving. 41 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,000 Just kidding. 42 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,000 She has said aye and has recused her nay. 43 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,000 Here we go. 44 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,000 Thank you. 45 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,990 So let's hold a public meeting and consider an application 46 00:02:17,990 --> 00:02:20,000 for certificate of appropriateness 47 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:26,060 in accordance with Section 35.7.6.8A for new dorm or 48 00:02:26,060 --> 00:02:30,000 windows at the home located at 2003 North Belle Avenue 49 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,000 located between University and Sherman Drive. 50 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,000 We'll have a presentation from Roman McAllen. 51 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,000 Thank you, Roman. 52 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,569 Okay. Thank you and thank you everyone for being here this 53 00:02:39,569 --> 00:02:40,000 evening. 54 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:45,610 This is a house on in the Belle Avenue Conservation 55 00:02:45,610 --> 00:02:47,000 District. 56 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,000 That's right. 57 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,110 Although there's a sign there now that calls it the 58 00:02:50,110 --> 00:02:54,000 historic district that will be forthcoming. 59 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,150 What we've got here is this house on the left here in the 60 00:02:57,150 --> 00:02:58,000 district. 61 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 That's the shape of the district on the right. 62 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,000 And this is a home. 63 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,000 The owner of this home owns two homes next to each other 64 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:11,000 and this one is to add these dormers to 2003 Belle Avenue. 65 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,680 And from the historic resource survey of '96, it was 66 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,000 actually given a low priority. 67 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,979 You see the X there on the onto your right and then a 1925 68 00:03:22,979 --> 00:03:27,000 Tudor style home with had synthetic siding on it. 69 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,000 And this is that home today on the left. 70 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,080 This is where the again its owner occupied and he's been 71 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,000 had this home under construction a long time. 72 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,150 I'm sure Commissioner Conte is very familiar with it and 73 00:03:38,150 --> 00:03:40,000 seen the work over the years. 74 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,129 This fellow is an accomplished carpenter who's been working 75 00:03:43,129 --> 00:03:45,000 on it, his property for a while. 76 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,000 So that's the front and the front elevation. 77 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,280 This is if you were looking at the home walking down the 78 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:56,210 sidewalk heading south, you would see it there on this left 79 00:03:56,210 --> 00:03:57,000 side. 80 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,199 That darker patch you see there's actually the roof over a 81 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:05,310 port crochet of the structure that he owns to the right of 82 00:04:05,310 --> 00:04:07,000 it, to the north. 83 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,860 So I'm just going to take you up and down the street so you 84 00:04:09,860 --> 00:04:13,000 get a feel for how this project would affect the street. 85 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,680 This is just coming across the street, again across the 86 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:18,000 street. 87 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:23,620 And this is the house he owns to the north, immediately to 88 00:04:23,620 --> 00:04:25,000 the north. 89 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,000 And there's the profile on the north side of that. 90 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,040 And then the one house to the south of the property is this 91 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,000 pretty brick bungalow. 92 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:41,240 Now this structure is two blocks to the north, two houses 93 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,000 to the north. 94 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:48,000 And this is even further than that, so three up. 95 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,680 Now this is the street view. This is looking north, down 96 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,000 North Bell. 97 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,360 The streets have recently been repaved and recurbed very 98 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:58,000 nicely. 99 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,000 This is looking south from immediately in front of it. 100 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,000 This is the home across the street. 101 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,000 And to the south of that one house. 102 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,680 One thing you see here are these nice old driveways that 103 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,000 have not been paved. 104 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,980 Then one house is diagonally across to the south, to the 105 00:05:19,980 --> 00:05:22,000 east and south. 106 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,360 And then there's an intersection here. Remind me Deb, what 107 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,000 street is that there? 108 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Roberts, I think. 109 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,680 Roberts, that's right. Roberts tees into Bell. This is the 110 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,000 view of the house. 111 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,000 So the house is behind. 112 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:43,110 If you were here, the work he is doing is behind that tree 113 00:05:43,110 --> 00:05:46,000 back there on that roof. 114 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,670 And what he wants to do, if you were looking at the front 115 00:05:48,670 --> 00:05:49,000 of that house, 116 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,000 so those trucks we saw were parked here in front. 117 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,860 This, just a little bit of background, you see there's a 118 00:05:56,860 --> 00:06:00,000 stamp reviewed for code compliance in 2012. 119 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,360 Prior to the existence of the Bell Avenue Conservation 120 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,329 District is when he asked for a building permit to add one 121 00:06:07,329 --> 00:06:08,000 dormer. 122 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,670 And it was approved. And so there's one dormer here that 123 00:06:12,670 --> 00:06:16,000 was approved for his building back then. 124 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,199 But he wanted to do this right and come on in and get a 125 00:06:18,199 --> 00:06:20,000 certificate of appropriateness. 126 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,519 Now he's not here this evening and that may be partially my 127 00:06:22,519 --> 00:06:23,000 fault. 128 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,089 I didn't remind him, but we did know he was on there. So I 129 00:06:26,089 --> 00:06:27,000 can answer a lot of questions. 130 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,000 I know Stephen a little bit. 131 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 I should have another picture in here. Here it is. 132 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 So if we were looking down from the north on that property, 133 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:43,000 what happened here from a building perspective is that the, 134 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:49,240 he's wanting to have that space be occupied in the second 135 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:50,000 floor. 136 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,490 And in order to finish that out properly and to meet fire 137 00:06:53,490 --> 00:06:56,000 code, he needs a means of egress. 138 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,000 So that's the reason to do one dormer. 139 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,360 But he wants to go ahead and bring more light into that 140 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,000 space and make it more user friendly. 141 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:11,000 Hence, he wants to add two more dormers going back there. 142 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,990 And I think he's labeled these egress window in the front 143 00:07:14,990 --> 00:07:20,000 and then the other window there on the side. 144 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,430 So now if you were on the sidewalk, you can understand that 145 00:07:24,430 --> 00:07:27,029 we were talking about some dormers that would be visible 146 00:07:27,029 --> 00:07:30,000 right back in there. 147 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,000 On that side of the house. So that's the elevation. 148 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Let me go back. That's the north elevation of the house. So 149 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:41,000 it'd be down in that side there. 150 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,000 I'm recommending approval of as it's been applied for. 151 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,680 I don't see how this harms this street in any way to make 152 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,000 that home more occupiable, 153 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,740 more useful and without a tremendous change to that sort of 154 00:07:57,740 --> 00:08:01,000 cottage condition that we see there. 155 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:10,000 And I'll take any questions you have. 156 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,500 I don't really have any questions other than dormer windows 157 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:17,990 are certainly part of the design elements for this style 158 00:08:17,990 --> 00:08:18,000 house. 159 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,240 Stephen has done tons of work on this property that we have 160 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,000 approved as a commission. 161 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:32,850 He is a former HLC commissioner himself. So he knows a lot 162 00:08:32,850 --> 00:08:35,000 about architecture and how to do things right. 163 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,009 And I'm not surprised that he brought that back before us, 164 00:08:38,009 --> 00:08:40,000 even though he had prior approval. 165 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,049 I didn't even think to ask the neighborhood about it. I 166 00:08:43,049 --> 00:08:45,610 thought he might have already gone and talked to our 167 00:08:45,610 --> 00:08:46,000 neighbors. 168 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:51,309 So I don't have any other things to add to that. I don't 169 00:08:51,309 --> 00:08:57,000 see anybody on our street having any objection to this. 170 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:09,000 I can't speak for them all, but I can't imagine. 171 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,000 Was there any problem that you saw with any of this? 172 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:18,139 No, none at all. Obviously, he's done a lot of restorative 173 00:09:18,139 --> 00:09:19,000 work on these properties. 174 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,440 The one to the north looks like it. I can't wait for him to 175 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,000 get started on that. 176 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,000 So there's these are going on that side angle, right? 177 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,000 That one, right. 178 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,000 OK. 179 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Not on the part that faces. 180 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,620 So you can see them from the street view, but they're not 181 00:09:35,620 --> 00:09:36,000 on the front. 182 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000 They don't face the street. 183 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,000 Right. OK. 184 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,960 What was the back of the picture of the drawing on the two 185 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,000 outside dormers? 186 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:55,000 You have a window and then what? Is that sighting? 187 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,000 An awning window? 188 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,000 To the right of the left window. 189 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 It looks like there's a louver. 190 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,669 It says vent. I don't know if he means it's a shutter or 191 00:10:08,669 --> 00:10:12,210 decorative purposes or is he he may actually have a vent 192 00:10:12,210 --> 00:10:16,470 there for maybe for cooling it down and after after the sun 193 00:10:16,470 --> 00:10:17,000 sets. 194 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,000 I'm not sure. 195 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Because he's got a vent on both sides. 196 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,000 He's got one on each side. 197 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:29,000 They're both on the interior of the window. 198 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,000 I'm sorry, John. I can't answer that one directly. 199 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,580 I just wondered, they looked like they were both in and the 200 00:10:35,580 --> 00:10:38,000 windows were not centered. 201 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,000 They were to the outside edges. 202 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,000 I didn't know. 203 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,360 You know, it's unusual, but this house is an asymmetric 204 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,000 house. 205 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,000 So I think it works pretty well for this architecture. 206 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,690 Yeah, I think it would look it would look less appropriate 207 00:10:57,690 --> 00:11:00,000 if it was formal. 208 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Good point. Can you say that again? 209 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,000 I'm sorry. 210 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:11,000 If you want to flip back to the to this elevation. 211 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:17,429 So the dormers are asymmetrical in their placement on the 212 00:11:17,429 --> 00:11:18,000 roof. 213 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,169 And also the dormer on the left and the dormer on the right 214 00:11:23,169 --> 00:11:28,779 are also, you know, unusual that the window isn't centered 215 00:11:28,779 --> 00:11:31,000 in the in the dormer. 216 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,000 Right. 217 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,669 Which I think is the appropriate architectural style for 218 00:11:36,669 --> 00:11:40,000 this house because this is an asymmetric tutor. 219 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,679 And if they had, you know, if he if he centered them or put 220 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:49,360 a peak on the dormer, it would look inappropriate on this 221 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,000 style of house. 222 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Yeah. 223 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:58,220 He's got, you know, he's got shed roof dormers, which that 224 00:11:58,220 --> 00:11:59,000 's the right. 225 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:04,000 That's the right nomenclature for this building. 226 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:09,000 Roman is he also adding that couple. 227 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,000 I am not sure. 228 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,610 I think it's there because he didn't he didn't ask for a 229 00:12:13,610 --> 00:12:15,000 permit for that. 230 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,000 And I don't have a way of seeing that. 231 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Let's see. 232 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,000 We'll do a quick check. 233 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,000 I love the trees. 234 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,960 They do make it hard to see parts of the architecture, 235 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,000 though. 236 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Where is your drone image? 237 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,000 That's my question. 238 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,000 Yeah. 239 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:54,000 Weaponized for people violating your see ways. 240 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,000 Let's see that right. 241 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,000 There's a lot going on. 242 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,000 That's the right. 243 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,000 I was going to say that is a lot going on. 244 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,000 She said like right there. 245 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,000 He has had this like this for years. 246 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,000 This might be the coupe. 247 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000 It looks a lot of small. 248 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 It's been under construction. 249 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,000 Constant constant for the 20 years we've lived there. 250 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Yes. 251 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,000 Yes. 252 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,000 They look like they're in the appropriate spot. 253 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Yes, he does. 254 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Well, he lives next door and he restores this. 255 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:35,990 I think the application states adding three dormers and 256 00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:36,000 doesn't say anything about a couple. 257 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,000 Okay. 258 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,000 So really that's all we can speak on. 259 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,000 Okay. 260 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:47,000 Are there any other questions for Roman? 261 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Would anybody like to entertain a motion? 262 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,000 I'll make a motion to approve. 263 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:58,000 All right, Dev has made an emotion to approve. 264 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Helen has seconded it. 265 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,000 So it's open for discussion. 266 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:10,610 Is there anything else we need to say about this before we 267 00:14:10,610 --> 00:14:12,000 take a vote? 268 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,000 John? 269 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:21,210 Yeah, I would just like to see it, I don't know if it's 270 00:14:21,210 --> 00:14:27,720 personal, with a peak on the dorm room rather than a flat 271 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,000 room or a shed room. 272 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:37,330 And I don't know if that is just me speaking or is that 273 00:14:37,330 --> 00:14:42,000 personal taste or? 274 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,679 I really liked what Helen pointed out about being an asymm 275 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:50,889 etrical two-door and that the shed dormer being more 276 00:14:50,889 --> 00:14:55,000 appropriate than a peak for this kind of home. 277 00:14:55,000 --> 00:15:02,529 I don't see a shed dormer being inappropriate for the style 278 00:15:02,529 --> 00:15:04,000 of home. 279 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,090 I mean, I think we each have our own opinions about what we 280 00:15:07,090 --> 00:15:08,000 like though. 281 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,000 I did not hear that properly. 282 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,000 I was thinking she was saying a peak. 283 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:23,559 It's called a shed dormer as opposed to a rich, well, gable 284 00:15:23,559 --> 00:15:25,000 dormer. 285 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,000 A gable dormer, yeah. 286 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,559 We've got both on our house, by the way, gable dormers and 287 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:31,600 shed, but the ones that you can see from the street are 288 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,000 shed dormers on our tutor. 289 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,120 Okay, what about the windows in the middle instead of being 290 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,000 on the edges? 291 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Well, like she said. 292 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,700 They're asymmetrical and I mean they're symmetrical to each 293 00:15:44,700 --> 00:15:51,000 other in some ways, but because it's an asymmetrical tutor. 294 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,000 Helen, you can speak on this more than I can. 295 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:01,029 What I was stating was that this house, the architectural 296 00:16:01,029 --> 00:16:05,000 style of this home is an asymmetric tutor. 297 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:12,470 And an asymmetric tutor house should appropriately follow 298 00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:16,000 that style all the way through. 299 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:22,169 And so the dormers that he has proposed are shed dormers 300 00:16:22,169 --> 00:16:25,000 with off center windows. 301 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:30,000 And that's appropriate for, I believe, for this style. 302 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:38,210 If you try to put a gable dormer with a peak on it and a 303 00:16:38,210 --> 00:16:41,000 ridge and centered windows, 304 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,169 it'll look like it's got a Victorian element in a tutor 305 00:16:45,169 --> 00:16:46,000 style. 306 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,179 And so those two styles will compete with each other and it 307 00:16:50,179 --> 00:16:52,000 'll look out of place. 308 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:58,000 Most dormers you see on modern houses are Victorian style. 309 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,830 This house, if you're going to stay with the historic style 310 00:17:00,830 --> 00:17:04,000 , you should stay with that. 311 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:11,000 More appropriately the design elements he has proposed. 312 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Thank you. 313 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,000 All right. 314 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,450 Do we have any other questions or discussion while we still 315 00:17:19,450 --> 00:17:21,000 have this motion open? 316 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,000 All right. 317 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,000 Let's go ahead and vote. 318 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,000 All those in favor say aye. 319 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Aye. 320 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,000 All those opposed say nay. 321 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:37,000 Okay. 322 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,000 Okay. 323 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,000 Let's move on. 324 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:48,589 We have -- we're going to consider -- consider amending a 325 00:17:48,589 --> 00:17:50,000 certificate of appropriateness 326 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:55,609 in accordance with section 35.7.6.8.8 to approve the wall 327 00:17:55,609 --> 00:17:58,000 text to accompany the recently installed 328 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:03,000 for permanent display Linford design doors at City Hall, 329 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,000 which you probably saw on your way in. 330 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,670 The building is located at 215 East McKinney Street on the 331 00:18:09,670 --> 00:18:11,000 north side of East McKinney 332 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,700 between North Locust and North Bell and Roman is going to 333 00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:15,000 give a presentation. 334 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,000 Okay. Thank you. 335 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,829 Yes, this is about -- a few months ago we had a 336 00:18:18,829 --> 00:18:23,000 presentation, you know, the doors were removed here 337 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,539 from this entry and we had a lot of people concerned with 338 00:18:26,539 --> 00:18:28,000 what happened to them. 339 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000 And so we had that discussion. 340 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,000 They were actually restored. 341 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,000 They were not perfectly square. 342 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,000 They didn't match well. 343 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,000 There were a lot of reasons not to put them back. 344 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,980 I can think of more reasons why not to take them out, but 345 00:18:42,980 --> 00:18:44,000 they were out. 346 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,329 And so we were -- as a commission, we had to figure out 347 00:18:47,329 --> 00:18:48,000 what to do. 348 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,000 And we talked about doing something like here on the left 349 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,000 and where these are the doors. 350 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,000 We're looking down into that corridor. 351 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,000 There's the opening going outside. 352 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,000 This is the kind of where we approved it. 353 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,779 And then we approved that the doors be installed inside 354 00:19:04,779 --> 00:19:08,000 that corridor, but we did have -- 355 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:13,609 I believe Commissioner Bailey asked that we bring back the 356 00:19:13,609 --> 00:19:15,000 actual diorama -- not diorama, 357 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,099 but whatever the didactic that goes along with the doors 358 00:19:18,099 --> 00:19:19,000 being there. 359 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,000 And that's what I'm bringing back to you here. 360 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:26,000 So here are the doors if you come in that entry today. 361 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,680 Kirkpatrick Architects helped with the layout and the 362 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,000 design, how they would sit, 363 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,000 and some craftsmen came in and got them out. 364 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,569 They're made so that you can slide them out if for any 365 00:19:37,569 --> 00:19:39,000 reason they're just at the right angle 366 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,000 that you could pull one or the other out. 367 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:49,990 Then the city is planning to move the sword over to display 368 00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:51,000 a little bit to the right 369 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,000 in that image down that corridor. 370 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,549 And then the city managers and mayors have been brought 371 00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:58,000 back to this place. 372 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,990 I would have liked to have seen this kind of moved first 373 00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:04,000 and maybe give us some breathing room here. 374 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,210 I'm not sure about that and if that may be an option down 375 00:20:07,210 --> 00:20:08,000 the line. 376 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,000 But anyway, that's not what we're addressing. 377 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,390 You know that there were -- the city council people were 378 00:20:15,390 --> 00:20:16,000 here before, 379 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,000 and they've been displayed, those images, on the stairwell. 380 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,000 So there are the doors. 381 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,000 Again, so that creates an opportunity here. 382 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,289 I don't know exactly what I'm bringing back to you, quite 383 00:20:27,289 --> 00:20:28,000 frankly. 384 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,269 I didn't make a recommendation, but I do -- I know I'm 385 00:20:30,269 --> 00:20:31,000 bringing back some text, 386 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,000 which we have everyone here could check the text. 387 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,829 And Jerry went over the check and I had something in there 388 00:20:36,829 --> 00:20:38,000 and he caught that. 389 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,390 But this wording is also from one of the textbook -- or one 390 00:20:41,390 --> 00:20:43,000 of the books on O'Neill Ford 391 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,000 and just kind of pieced together a little history. 392 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,000 So here it is here. 393 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,000 I can read through it if that's useful. 394 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,569 You know, if you guys want to hear it, let me just read 395 00:20:53,569 --> 00:20:54,000 through it. 396 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,000 We'll just make sure it reads right, if anybody catches it. 397 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,640 So O'Neill Ford was the most influential architect of the 398 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,000 20th century -- 399 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,000 I'm sorry. 400 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,089 O'Neill Ford was the most influential Texas architect of 401 00:21:05,089 --> 00:21:06,000 the 20th century, 402 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,000 a technological innovator who bridged Texas's rural past 403 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000 and urban future. 404 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,259 He taught three generations of architects how to adapt vern 405 00:21:15,259 --> 00:21:16,000 acular forms 406 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,000 and materials to modern conditions. 407 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,869 Widely known as the designer or restorer of such San 408 00:21:21,869 --> 00:21:25,000 Antonio landmarks as La Viejita, 409 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,000 Hemisphere Plaza, and Trinity University, 410 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,670 Ford also designed buildings from Laredo in deep south 411 00:21:31,670 --> 00:21:33,000 Texas to Saratoga Springs 412 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,000 in upstate New York over the course of his 60-year career. 413 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:42,000 During the mid-1960s, Ford also designed numerous buildings 414 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,000 in his second hometown, Denton. 415 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,700 He created a civic complex that includes the City Hall you 416 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:49,000 are standing in now, 417 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,400 an assembly building immediately to the east of this 418 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,000 building, and a public swimming pool. 419 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,670 He also designed an addition to the Emily Fowler Library in 420 00:21:58,670 --> 00:22:00,000 1981. 421 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,000 That's that one. 422 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,000 So I do have one comment for you. 423 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Okay. 424 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:12,000 And I'm not sure that it -- this may be splitting hairs, 425 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,819 but there is more than one influential Texas architect of 426 00:22:16,819 --> 00:22:19,000 the 20th century. 427 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,000 The most notable one I can think of is Philip Johnson. 428 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:27,609 So I think we might want to say O'Neill Ford was one of the 429 00:22:27,609 --> 00:22:28,000 most -- 430 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,000 Or was an influential Texas architect. 431 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,299 One of the most influential Texas architects of the 20th 432 00:22:34,299 --> 00:22:35,000 century. 433 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,670 Something that makes it not so absolute because that is 434 00:22:39,670 --> 00:22:42,000 perhaps too absolute a statement 435 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,000 for some who might read it on the wall. 436 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,000 Yes, that sounds really good. 437 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,000 Yeah, that sounds great. 438 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,000 I agree with that. 439 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,670 Also, should Hemisphere Plaza have a space between Hem 440 00:22:54,670 --> 00:22:57,000 isphere? 441 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,000 Where are we? 442 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,000 Hemisphere? 443 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,000 Oh, it might. 444 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,000 I'm not sure the proper -- that sounds right. 445 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,000 We'll double check that. 446 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,000 Hyphenated, do you think? 447 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,000 Let me check. 448 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,000 We can pull that up. 449 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,000 Nope, it is one word. 450 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,000 You are correct. 451 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,000 Do we want to add anything about the homes that he -- 452 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,420 something where it says the rest of the buildings that he 453 00:23:15,420 --> 00:23:16,000 created? 454 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,000 Do we want to say anything? 455 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,000 Yes. 456 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,000 There's a lot of buildings in there as well as numerous 457 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000 homes that are still, you know, 458 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,670 lived in today or something like that because that's 459 00:23:28,670 --> 00:23:32,000 important that we've got him all around. 460 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,000 He created some -- 461 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,450 Maybe after all sorts of numerous buildings and homes in 462 00:23:35,450 --> 00:23:37,000 his second hometown, Denton. 463 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,000 There you go. 464 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,000 I think so, building. 465 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,000 Hemisphere and homes. 466 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Hemisphere should not be capitalized. 467 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Hemisphere should not be capitalized. 468 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,000 Only the H should, the F should not be. 469 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,000 It is all one word. 470 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Okay. 471 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,650 And does that work where Jerry said, Deb, that we would say 472 00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:57,000 during the mid-1960s -- it 473 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,039 can't be because he actually -- one of his earliest, if not 474 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:01,000 first homes is -- 475 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,000 Lodge growing. 476 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,000 -- this quarter line. 477 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,000 That's right. 478 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,000 It's on North Bell. 479 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,400 So we would have to have maybe a separate -- during his mid 480 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:09,000 -1960s. 481 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,670 So maybe it's the opening line there is O'Neill Ford's 482 00:24:13,670 --> 00:24:15,000 career -- it could almost be said that 483 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,000 it started in Denton. 484 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,380 But I mean, it's -- because you do -- I looked and I think 485 00:24:20,380 --> 00:24:22,000 it seems to be just one structure 486 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,000 at a ranch and maybe in the Hill Country that was -- 487 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,000 Before that. 488 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,000 -- before the home on North Bell that T.W. owns -- T.W. 489 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,000 owns today. 490 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Okay. 491 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:38,000 So this is -- there's no rush on this. 492 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,000 Why don't I take this into consideration and come back? 493 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,400 But there's no one chomping at the bit to put a marker 494 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,000 there. 495 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,000 Okay. 496 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,140 So I'll just let them know that we're still working -- we 497 00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:50,000 'll bring it back another draft. 498 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,000 If that's okay? 499 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,000 Is this going to be brass or -- 500 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,000 That's a good -- 501 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Brass? 502 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,000 I have that question. 503 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,000 I'll present you something on that. 504 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,000 Helen, just a minute. 505 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,500 If you want -- if you can wait, we'll do the Lynn Ford one 506 00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:05,000 and then the brass question. 507 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,990 So Lynn Ford, craftsman, cabinetmaker, builder, and teacher 508 00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:12,000 frequently collaborated with his 509 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000 brother, O'Neill Ford. 510 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000 They were born in Sherman, Texas. 511 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:24,529 He was the second son of Leonides Bertram, Bert, and Lula 512 00:25:24,529 --> 00:25:26,000 Bell Sinclair Ford. 513 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,069 Lynn had a younger sister, Othella, an artist in her own 514 00:25:31,069 --> 00:25:32,000 right. 515 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Bert Ford introduced Lynn to the art of wood carving. 516 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,990 The elder Ford died in a train wreck in 1918 after which 517 00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:41,000 Bell Ford moved the family to Denton. 518 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,980 From 1938 to 1953, Ford collaborated with his brother in 519 00:25:45,980 --> 00:25:49,000 building homes for prominent Texans. 520 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,339 Generally, he worked with unskilled laborers to lay bricks, 521 00:25:52,339 --> 00:25:55,000 set tile, and make furniture, 522 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,000 doors, mantles, beams, and other carpentry work. 523 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,630 He temporarily left this work for service in the Army 524 00:26:01,630 --> 00:26:05,000 during World War II for which he won several medals. 525 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,769 His work is prominently featured in several Texas landmarks 526 00:26:08,769 --> 00:26:13,000 including the McNay Art Institute in Austin, Texas, 527 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:21,000 and Skidmore College in Saratoga Springs, New York. 528 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,680 So that's what we have for Lynn in this great photograph 529 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:31,000 from the UTR drives of Lynn Ford. 530 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:36,779 So what I was thinking is we have the bronze in the 531 00:26:36,779 --> 00:26:38,000 corridor. 532 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,480 I thought I had a picture of it here, but I guess I didn't 533 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,000 put it. 534 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,000 Let me double check. 535 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000 Yes, I didn't incorporate it. 536 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,509 Across the hall there, we have the bronze markers for this 537 00:26:47,509 --> 00:26:48,000 building. 538 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,690 And so I was sort of photoshopping these in as what do you 539 00:26:52,690 --> 00:26:54,000 end up with? 540 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000 The bronze and then the scale of these, these may be wrong. 541 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:03,200 We had presented the idea of a much larger image here, but 542 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,000 this was just sort of plain of that. 543 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:10,200 And here's a version, maybe it's bronze with something else 544 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,000 back. 545 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,000 I did feel that they should be monumental in a way. 546 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,000 The scale shouldn't be small. 547 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,539 I mean, given that the door, whole door system was the 548 00:27:21,539 --> 00:27:23,000 signature before. 549 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,670 We don't have the carved wood door system and we're doing 550 00:27:27,670 --> 00:27:29,000 something smaller here. 551 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:36,000 So there's also the question of that. 552 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,000 I've seen that image of O'Neill Ford in black and white, 553 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000 but then it exists in color. 554 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000 So do they, these are questions. 555 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,000 Do we need an image? 556 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:50,000 Are we on the right track? 557 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,000 I don't mind the image as long as they're both the same. 558 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,950 So if one is in black and white, I would put both in black 559 00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:58,000 and white. 560 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,480 Especially if you've got a wall of black and white right 561 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,000 next to it, 562 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,680 which I know that might be changing, but it seems more 563 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:11,000 appropriate for them to both be in black and white. 564 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,650 Depending on how you do it, the colors may fade with that 565 00:28:16,650 --> 00:28:18,000 sunlight. 566 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,670 The historic markers that I had put on the Denton UNT 567 00:28:22,670 --> 00:28:27,000 campus are basically bronze 568 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:33,519 and like another tone of bronze that the photo is actually 569 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:37,000 kind of etched into the bronze. 570 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,000 So there's no, it's just more of a contrast image. 571 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,650 It's more like it looks black and white, but it's actually 572 00:28:44,650 --> 00:28:46,000 layers of bronze. 573 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000 Oh, wow. I love that. 574 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:54,950 Yeah. But you might, you might, I can send you a photo of 575 00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:56,000 one of those 576 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,549 and I can actually find you where we ordered them if you 577 00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:59,000 want. 578 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,000 Okay. Okay. We could bring back that as an option? 579 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,680 You know, it might affect what image you choose because you 580 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,000 know if it's too detailed, 581 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:23,000 like this, it might lose it a little bit, lose the detail. 582 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,140 So I guess we need to see some more options and a final 583 00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:28,000 draft. 584 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000 Okay. Does that sound right? 585 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Yeah, that sounds good. We'll do it. It was just no hurry. 586 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,049 So let's bring that back and if we have an August meeting, 587 00:29:39,049 --> 00:29:40,000 which I do have another item for that. 588 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,480 So I would say I didn't make a recommendation for a reason 589 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,000 there. 590 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000 I just wanted to see where to go. 591 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,000 Perfect. 592 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,000 Overall, you are okay with the way the doors turned out? 593 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,000 They're beautiful. 594 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000 I love that. I noticed them on my way in. 595 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,000 Yeah. It's a great place if they had to be moved. 596 00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:02,349 And it's a really minimal mounting, very delicate, really 597 00:30:02,349 --> 00:30:05,000 the mounting disappears 598 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,000 so you can really just appreciate the doors, which is great 599 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:08,000 . 600 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,000 And I like it that they're not flat against the wall. 601 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Yeah, that's great. I feel the same way. 602 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,000 All right. Well, those, that's it on that item. 603 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,000 The next thing down. 604 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,630 Great. So we're going, can we hear a motion to continue the 605 00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:25,000 item? 606 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,000 Do we need a vote for that? 607 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000 Did we just continue? Great. 608 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,000 Great. So we're going to continue that item. 609 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,000 And then the final thing on our agenda is our matrix. 610 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:44,000 This is relatively unchanged. 611 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,480 We have the final documents finally going forward for the 612 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,000 preservation plan. 613 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,000 I was waiting to get some account number right. 614 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,000 And so that's ready to go in. 615 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000 We should be engaging somebody soon. 616 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,170 I don't want to make it public till we get the lock in, I 617 00:30:58,170 --> 00:31:00,000 guess, from the other side on that. 618 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,000 But very, very optimistic about that. 619 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,539 And I'll take any recommendations or anything else you all 620 00:31:07,539 --> 00:31:10,000 want to see changed or brought up. 621 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,200 I've had several people in the community recently ask me 622 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,000 about the designation of downtown on their own, 623 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,000 not realizing I'm part of HLC. 624 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,680 And so I guess my quick question, I always recommend to 625 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,210 them calling their city council person and recommending 626 00:31:27,210 --> 00:31:31,000 that that be something that gets pushed through. 627 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,980 Is there anything else that we can do as community members 628 00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:39,000 as well as HLC board members or commission members? 629 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,000 You know, we have the Scott McDonald has been working. 630 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,619 And as far as I know, is still going forward with a design 631 00:31:47,619 --> 00:31:52,210 district downtown and that you heard about him either was 632 00:31:52,210 --> 00:31:55,000 the last meeting of the meeting before. 633 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,670 And that though under that scenario, we're not labeling 634 00:31:59,670 --> 00:32:02,000 anything a local historic district. 635 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,950 But the way that that ordinance will be drafted is such 636 00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:12,019 that you will have the same protection protections you 637 00:32:12,019 --> 00:32:16,000 typically see for for a downtown district. 638 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,940 That that you cannot demolish buildings in the district or 639 00:32:18,940 --> 00:32:21,819 alter buildings in the district without a certificate of 640 00:32:21,819 --> 00:32:23,000 appropriateness. 641 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,460 The discussion I'm hearing now is and again, he's been we 642 00:32:26,460 --> 00:32:28,000 've been successful. 643 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,910 This has been something, of course, as you all know, you 644 00:32:29,910 --> 00:32:31,000 all been here longer than me. 645 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,400 It's been hard to get the proper protections for the 646 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,000 National Register District. 647 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,000 So I see us moving in that direction. 648 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000 And it seems like to get the buy in. 649 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,269 It may be that the review board for certificate of appropri 650 00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:45,000 ateness. 651 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,980 One suggestion that's been brought up is it might have two 652 00:32:48,980 --> 00:32:53,630 or three members from HLC, two or three members from P and 653 00:32:53,630 --> 00:32:57,009 Z and two or three from the people that live in the 654 00:32:57,009 --> 00:32:58,000 district or in the community. 655 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000 That's just a suggestion. 656 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,240 It still will have to be brought back to the Landmark 657 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,000 Commission. 658 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,359 But I've heard that I'm just letting you know what all I've 659 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:07,000 heard. 660 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,619 But we it's moving forward along with the development 661 00:33:10,619 --> 00:33:14,730 services department's been extremely busy with a small area 662 00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:18,730 plan that Ron has been overseeing with the development code 663 00:33:18,730 --> 00:33:22,190 is we got the pedal to the to the metal on getting that 664 00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:23,000 through. 665 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:30,089 And with that will come the preservation revisions. So it's 666 00:33:30,089 --> 00:33:30,789 just been there's been a lot of things moving forward all 667 00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:31,000 at once. 668 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,349 And now the preservation plan will come in and we'll be 669 00:33:34,349 --> 00:33:37,490 asking members of this commission to be part of the 670 00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:41,140 steering committee for that as that goes for the whole city 671 00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:42,000 forward. 672 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,000 Thank you so much for your update on that. 673 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000 Sure. 674 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,000 Any other questions. 675 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,000 We have one more thing on our ongoing business. 676 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,000 We would like to thank you for your service. 677 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,559 You've been with us for what seven years seven years chair 678 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,000 and I know that you are rolling off. 679 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,000 Is this your last meeting either this or August. 680 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,890 I thought it was August but it might be August that I want 681 00:34:06,890 --> 00:34:08,000 to thank you now. 682 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,840 So thank you so much for all the service that you provided 683 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,610 us with and the great amount of growth that we've seen 684 00:34:13,610 --> 00:34:15,000 under your leadership. 685 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000 It's been great. 686 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:22,000 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 687 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,000 And for the passion. 688 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,000 Good. 689 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,250 Do we have any other ongoing business or anything that 690 00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:34,000 needs to be added to next. 691 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,000 The next agenda. 692 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,000 Okay great. Then let's finish this thing up. 693 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,650 There's no other business than the regular meeting is 694 00:34:45,650 --> 00:34:48,000 adjourned at 6 10 p.m. 695 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000 Thank you. 696 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,000 Thank you. 697 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,000 Question you'll be there before you get the doors.