WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.940 We have a quorum, we need five members, we have five 00:00:02.940 --> 00:00:05.679 members, so I will now call the regular meeting to order at 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:09.000 5.37 p.m. 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:16.699 Roy, would you mind leading us in the Pledges of Allegiance 00:00:16.699 --> 00:00:18.000 ? Thank you. 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:22.449 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 00:00:22.449 --> 00:00:23.000 America 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.620 and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under 00:00:27.620 --> 00:00:28.000 God, 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:33.000 one indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:37.000 I'm sorry, I started thinking of the Texas Pledge. 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:41.609 Honor the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas one 00:00:41.609 --> 00:00:46.000 state under God, one indivisible. 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:54.000 Alright, we have two items for consideration tonight. 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:56.130 The first we need to do is consider approval of the Hist 00:00:56.130 --> 00:01:01.000 oric Landmark Commission meeting minutes from May 14, 2018. 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:05.000 Do I have any motions to approve the minutes? 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:07.000 So moved. 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:08.000 Excellent. Second. 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:11.000 Wonderful, thank you Roy for your second. 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.000 All those in favor say aye. 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:14.000 Aye. 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:16.000 All those opposed say nay. 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:19.000 Cool, the motion is approved. 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:21.000 Unanimously. 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:26.010 Alright, so let's move on to item B, hold a public meeting 00:01:26.010 --> 00:01:28.579 and consider an application for a certificate of appropri 00:01:28.579 --> 00:01:29.000 ateness 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:36.269 in accordance with section 37.5, sorry, 35.7.6.8A for 00:01:36.269 --> 00:01:40.069 exterior rehabilitation work to the building located at 119 00:01:40.069 --> 00:01:42.000 West Hickory Street, 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:45.239 a locally designated landmark located on West Hickory 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:48.000 Street between South Elm and South Locust. 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:54.000 Roman is going to give us a presentation. 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:58.049 Thank you, thank you everyone for making it here this 00:01:58.049 --> 00:01:59.000 evening. 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:02.780 Prepared for you an extensive PowerPoint on this building 00:02:02.780 --> 00:02:05.000 but I'll click as quick as I can. 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:11.210 The reason is that this property had a C of A in 2012 for 00:02:11.210 --> 00:02:16.000 some windows and some door alterations and 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:19.520 it's my opinion that we probably didn't really consider the 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:23.270 full picture at that time and this building is a local 00:02:23.270 --> 00:02:29.000 landmark at this site in the National Register District. 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:35.219 So, a couple things I want to draw your attention to are on 00:02:35.219 --> 00:02:39.870 the left here is a letter that was sent from our department 00:02:39.870 --> 00:02:43.000 to the owner back in 1981. 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:47.000 And it talked in this first paragraph towards the end. 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:50.250 It says that the Landmark Commission recommended approval 00:02:50.250 --> 00:02:52.000 for a landmark designation. 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:55.379 And then it says, with the stipulation that the historic 00:02:55.379 --> 00:02:59.009 landmark plaque which I'm not sure plaque was ever created 00:02:59.009 --> 00:03:02.979 but it may be that it was the idea should there be one that 00:03:02.979 --> 00:03:05.000 it include the word site. 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:08.900 Now I was unable to find the minutes from 1981, but I'm 00:03:08.900 --> 00:03:12.520 going to, I'm going to suggest to you or proposing the idea 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:16.080 that I think what's more important about this building is 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:17.000 the site. 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:20.300 And that also seems to be the case when we look closely at 00:03:20.300 --> 00:03:23.650 this sheet on the right, which has to do with it's a sheet 00:03:23.650 --> 00:03:27.090 for which there was a sheet made for each property when the 00:03:27.090 --> 00:03:30.000 National Register District was created. 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:33.050 And I'm going to move here it's a little closer. Look at 00:03:33.050 --> 00:03:36.000 that document. It gives the address at the top. 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:39.370 And then you notice under style and type here it says turn 00:03:39.370 --> 00:03:43.300 of the century New Orleans mercantile. Well that references 00:03:43.300 --> 00:03:46.770 to the Ellington's bar which was built in the 80s or the 00:03:46.770 --> 00:03:50.439 facade of the Ellington's bar which was made to look like 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:51.000 it. 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.129 And according to the Landmark Commission and some 00:03:54.129 --> 00:03:57.849 documentation that the intent of the striped awning and the 00:03:57.849 --> 00:04:01.289 wooden doors at that time was to, to have it look in that 00:04:01.289 --> 00:04:02.000 style. 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:06.689 However, if we look at the, the description of the sort of 00:04:06.689 --> 00:04:11.000 in here from that was part of the historical survey and 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:15.310 study and research that was done, we get a better idea 00:04:15.310 --> 00:04:20.000 about the building that it was an old stone house it was 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:20.000 damaged by a fire. 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:25.269 There were three fires at least at this site over a period 00:04:25.269 --> 00:04:29.000 over this, you know since to today. 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:33.300 And I'm sorry did you say three fires, three total you see 00:04:33.300 --> 00:04:37.019 on the end there, the dates and I also the dates were in 18 00:04:37.019 --> 00:04:40.529 77 on the south side of the square there was a fire with 00:04:40.529 --> 00:04:44.000 severe destruction to virtually every business. 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:50.000 And in 1886, there was another. 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:54.899 Sorry I got my dates wrong 1860 is the first fire on the 00:04:54.899 --> 00:04:59.420 south side of the square that destroyed the building that 00:04:59.420 --> 00:05:04.279 was there, which was probably the stone house or some parts 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:05.000 thereof. 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:11.000 And it talks about the owner of dowry who was in the, who 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:14.000 was a civil war soldier. 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:17.000 The next fire was 1877. 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:22.000 And then in 1926 I think we have a fire. 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:25.029 Right there those notes are on that sheet and that's the 00:05:25.029 --> 00:05:28.120 sheet that was submitted to the National Park Service to 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:31.279 create the National Register District and it shows those 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:34.779 remodeling dates on the right, all the way up to 81, which 00:05:34.779 --> 00:05:36.000 is Ellington's. 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:39.420 I'll pick up the pace a little just these are interesting 00:05:39.420 --> 00:05:43.509 1885. And you can tell where we had it with those fires 00:05:43.509 --> 00:05:46.879 that often in these, the Sanborn mess will talk about a few 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:49.910 things I think it's interesting that there was no 00:05:49.910 --> 00:05:52.000 independent horse carts, and the talks 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:54.879 about the water facilities not being good and that may not 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:57.000 have been helpful during those fires. 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:09.160 This is the south side of the square at that time. And the 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:10.399 site there is whatever I can't read it from here but yeah 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:11.730 groceries and photo photography, and then you still have 00:06:11.730 --> 00:06:13.000 groceries and photography here in 1891. 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:17.000 And in 1896 you still have the photo. 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:21.000 We're looking right there. And that little box. 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:29.000 I'll have a photograph that that shows that. 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:34.089 Yes, this is where we just these pictures are going a 00:06:34.089 --> 00:06:37.019 little different. Okay, there's maybe that photograph of a 00:06:37.019 --> 00:06:39.850 street view and there's the photography place, and maybe 00:06:39.850 --> 00:06:42.069 that box that's on the roof I'm just not sure how 00:06:42.069 --> 00:06:45.000 descriptive it is is of that condition, 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.430 which looks a little like to me like it may have even been 00:06:48.430 --> 00:06:51.779 glass on top but I'm not really sure no it's dark here so 00:06:51.779 --> 00:06:55.139 there's that's what was going on around the turn of the 00:06:55.139 --> 00:06:56.000 century. 00:06:56.000 --> 00:07:00.389 Now I just threw this photo in to get you thinking about 00:07:00.389 --> 00:07:05.230 this is an unknown streetscape, but about window openings 00:07:05.230 --> 00:07:10.000 and door openings on building facades around that time. 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:14.269 Now this is the north side of the square with the College 00:07:14.269 --> 00:07:19.060 of Industrial Arts there in the back the CIA. And you again 00:07:19.060 --> 00:07:23.529 you see our, our typical facades here in Denton at that 00:07:23.529 --> 00:07:28.000 time most of these have a little vestibule or windows on 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:29.000 the side here. 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:38.449 But I wanted to just think about that so in 1901, we, we 00:07:38.449 --> 00:07:44.000 see have two story building there. So that's the building 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:44.000 that eventually is going to burn here's 1907. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:48.129 And here it's interesting that in 1917 they're referencing 00:07:48.129 --> 00:07:51.519 that we've improved our firefighting capacity with this 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:54.899 descriptive that's on the Sanborn map that we have to full 00:07:54.899 --> 00:07:58.360 pied full paid men living at the station three part time or 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:00.000 five I can't quite read the number. 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:03.439 And one American La France six cylinder something 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:07.509 horsepower combination pumper pumps the chemicals and has 00:08:07.509 --> 00:08:11.339 the hose, and then one two horse something hose reel and 00:08:11.339 --> 00:08:15.319 two horses on a number 230 and, and then one other La 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:22.000 France combination trucks so we were ready in 1917. 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:28.459 Then, this is that streetscape around 1917 again, and our 00:08:28.459 --> 00:08:31.000 building is right here. 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:34.519 And here's a photograph from about that time of the south 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:38.070 side of the square. So you see this is before we demolish 00:08:38.070 --> 00:08:41.000 this bank that became the Wells Fargo bank. 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:45.220 And then there's that facade. And so it was the 26 fire 00:08:45.220 --> 00:08:49.110 that took down a lot of these, these buildings, so our 00:08:49.110 --> 00:08:53.419 building then had this second story, and I think that this, 00:08:53.419 --> 00:08:56.000 whatever's left right in here. 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:01.820 The, for the, the, the side walls of the front opening are 00:09:01.820 --> 00:09:07.649 probably what's there today under the current structure so 00:09:07.649 --> 00:09:12.000 here's a little more closer look at that. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:15.570 And of course I guess this second Julie knows better than 00:09:15.570 --> 00:09:18.740 me I think this was damaged in the fire and then they 00:09:18.740 --> 00:09:22.450 decided not to put it back. But this lower portion is what 00:09:22.450 --> 00:09:26.000 you see there today at the, at the ice cream store. 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:30.000 So here is 26. 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.149 And so this must be just prior to the fire, because all 00:09:33.149 --> 00:09:36.440 this would have been damaged now usually they'll mark in 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:40.000 here that there's fire damage or destroyed buildings. 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:46.570 And in your notes, you have this description, which has to 00:09:46.570 --> 00:09:49.230 do with when it was landmarked in 81 this history was 00:09:49.230 --> 00:09:52.549 written. So it says various tenants occupied the building 00:09:52.549 --> 00:09:56.990 through 1926, when the second floor was again ravaged by 00:09:56.990 --> 00:09:58.000 fire reconstruction 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:14.000 repair amounting to $5,500 was completed between 26 and 29. 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:14.259 And the burn joints in the building shell indicate that at 00:10:14.259 --> 00:10:14.490 this moment in its history the building became a one story 00:10:14.490 --> 00:10:14.799 structure in 1940 limo dress shop occupied the building and 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:17.000 an art deco storefront was constructed. 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:21.539 The mode was followed by the collegiate shop and then by Bo 00:10:21.539 --> 00:10:26.230 Mars, from whom the present owners purchased the building 00:10:26.230 --> 00:10:28.000 in 1980. 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:31.440 And so that's that tax image of the storefront. And again 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:34.799 so here I think what what's happened is they've skinned it 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:38.419 with possibly that that product that's something like glass 00:10:38.419 --> 00:10:42.419 , it's a that we see some of that on the west side of the 00:10:42.419 --> 00:10:44.000 square still. 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:48.519 I think that your original brick would have been under here 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:53.000 and under here and then a stucco maybe was applied here. 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:57.000 Here's just another angle on that around in the 40s. 00:10:57.000 --> 00:11:02.000 And the Duke and Ayers building hasn't been altered yet. 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:05.029 It's an image yet just a little bit later because now we 00:11:05.029 --> 00:11:08.379 have the collegiate shop and it looks like they've painted. 00:11:08.379 --> 00:11:11.340 You can kind of see that little brick detail it's still 00:11:11.340 --> 00:11:14.240 bumping out there but it may have been painted back it 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:17.000 looks a little darker below here. 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:20.399 This is an image also about that time because the, the 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:23.000 department stores haven't changed. 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:26.000 And it was an early. 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:31.000 Looks like every Saturday on the square currently. 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.000 Same vibes. 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:36.440 And so here it is it's the Ellington bar back here. So we 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:42.000 've landmark this building right around this time. 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:46.429 And this is again where I get to, I'm, if we were landmark 00:11:46.429 --> 00:11:51.139 ing a building with a facade from 80, it makes more sense 00:11:51.139 --> 00:11:55.419 that we were paying attention to the, to the site, and 00:11:55.419 --> 00:11:59.899 which makes me think that the not would make the owner feel 00:11:59.899 --> 00:12:04.580 very good but the work in 2012 and where we got a little, a 00:12:04.580 --> 00:12:06.000 little concerned about this facade, 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:09.840 I'm not sure that was the best way to go so here was it 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:11.000 also interesting because here we have that. 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:15.830 That new facade under construction that happens in this 00:12:15.830 --> 00:12:17.000 building. 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:20.000 And there's a night shot. 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:25.330 I don't think I'd let my children go to that bar it just 00:12:25.330 --> 00:12:27.000 looks creepy in that. 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:31.820 It looks a little prettier here, the snow and about the 00:12:31.820 --> 00:12:34.000 same time there it is. 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:38.940 And this is the 1996 historic resource survey that the 00:12:38.940 --> 00:12:43.679 Texas Historic Commission paid grant for, and there's that 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:45.000 that beside. 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.120 Now, these are, this is a recent photograph taken from the 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:51.559 inside looking towards the front of the building. And what 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:55.169 I want to call out is that these this very nice original 00:12:55.169 --> 00:12:58.860 brick condition I mean I don't know if it's the original 00:12:58.860 --> 00:13:02.000 brick but it's old brick that's in good condition. 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:06.000 You see it on both sides. And this. 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:11.000 There's a lentil here which may have had a facade above it. 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.000 Getting a little closer to that. 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:17.000 You can see that I'm the project at that they're proposing, 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:20.600 as you'll see will allow people to actually see some of 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:24.360 this, just from walking down the sidewalk and so here's 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:25.000 that. 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:28.879 And what I'm saying is, I think was untouched and if you 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:32.000 look a little closer at that brick work. 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:37.620 And you see the edges finished of the brick very nicely all 00:13:37.620 --> 00:13:43.000 the way up on both of those openings from the inside. 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:47.129 And this is the, the other side of the east side edge of 00:13:47.129 --> 00:13:51.000 the same, same building same openings there. 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:55.659 This is what it looks like inside and has these skylights 00:13:55.659 --> 00:13:58.000 and original walls. 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:02.299 And I understand I saw in the history here that the floor 00:14:02.299 --> 00:14:07.059 was reconditioned was resurfaced in the 80s I think when 00:14:07.059 --> 00:14:09.000 the bar was created. 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:15.750 So, in my recommendation, and in talking to the owners and 00:14:15.750 --> 00:14:21.149 the contractors who are here this evening. We're curious as 00:14:21.149 --> 00:14:21.600 to what you might find back behind here so this is the 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:22.000 building to the left of it. 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:25.000 This is our building here. 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:36.320 And that stucco is there's probably maybe a laugh there and 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:41.000 some original brick. And then this layer is this on top of 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:41.000 the black glass surface or is this that was destroyed and 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:41.000 then something else was put we really can't know at this 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:41.000 time. 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:44.000 So, the request. 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:47.269 How to miss, okay, let me I'm sorry that that slides out of 00:14:47.269 --> 00:14:50.000 order so here's what we're proposing to do. 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:53.379 The owner is proposing. Now it's important to note that 00:14:53.379 --> 00:14:56.700 this is a C of a ahead of a building permit. So your sign 00:14:56.700 --> 00:15:00.480 ordinances, and your, your building code things to question 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.379 still need to be answered but in general this is the 00:15:03.379 --> 00:15:05.000 concept that they want to 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:10.019 go forward with, which is to remove the, the front of the 00:15:10.019 --> 00:15:15.220 building. And I'm, I think it's back, you'll have to ask 00:15:15.220 --> 00:15:20.080 them that question I believe we're still leaving. If we 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:21.350 have an opening in here I'm not sure where that I don't see 00:15:21.350 --> 00:15:22.000 that detail very well maybe 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:25.460 in the next in the plans photo. So here is just an 00:15:25.460 --> 00:15:29.509 elevation of the. Those are the those which you see a lot 00:15:29.509 --> 00:15:33.460 these days are on the east side of barley and board kind of 00:15:33.460 --> 00:15:37.000 type, aluminum frame glass folding doors. 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:40.860 This sign condition here is very similar to what we saw in 00:15:40.860 --> 00:15:45.000 the 40s limoed image this is a little bit different. 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.149 Now here you're looking into so this is the floor space 00:15:48.149 --> 00:15:51.580 that would be entry, you would enter here is actually what 00:15:51.580 --> 00:15:54.870 I'm saying is it looks like the brick is there on the sides 00:15:54.870 --> 00:15:59.000 that you can ask for some clarity there but it looks like 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:00.000 that's there. 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:04.500 So here's a kind of a vestibule opening and the actual 00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:09.429 entry to the building will be inside, and they propose to 00:16:09.429 --> 00:16:13.960 have a little counter here to serve guests out here in 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:15.000 front. 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.399 And here that is in plan on the floor plan. So here's the 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:20.000 front of the building. 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:23.000 And those doors that fold. 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:26.639 And then the actual entry into the conditions part of the 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:29.000 part of the building and the bar. 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:32.929 I'm recommending, I've met with the with them based on my 00:16:32.929 --> 00:16:36.720 under, you know my understanding of this building and 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:40.929 looking at what we have about our landmark. To me it's not 00:16:40.929 --> 00:16:45.250 the 1980s facade that we were concerned with when we 00:16:45.250 --> 00:16:46.000 landmarked it. 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:49.960 I think it was that we were concerned with the site and the 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:53.679 history of the building and if we look at the National 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:57.899 Register nomination, and that was list of alterations all 00:16:57.899 --> 00:17:00.000 the way to 1980. 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.529 And I think that's a good example of how we're going to be 00:17:03.529 --> 00:17:07.269 able to come down the sidewalk and to see original brick I 00:17:07.269 --> 00:17:11.069 think if we do this carefully. We will not alter or destroy 00:17:11.069 --> 00:17:14.930 any historic fabric in this building, because the 80s 00:17:14.930 --> 00:17:16.000 facade. 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:18.799 And the way that's framed in there's not going to be much 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:20.000 integrity in there. 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:23.000 Just in that Ellington facade. 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:30.150 I think that the sign and all other codes will be met. And 00:17:30.150 --> 00:17:32.420 then the contractor said that he would like to, and the 00:17:32.420 --> 00:17:34.809 owner, if I understand correctly, they would like to see 00:17:34.809 --> 00:17:37.279 what happens as they're exposing that and see whether the 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:39.000 under the stucco there's some original brick 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:42.450 that might be able to be exposed, and then the terrazzo 00:17:42.450 --> 00:17:45.950 floor that you see in the collegiate image you can see the 00:17:45.950 --> 00:17:49.480 edge of the trial floor there now. What is that going to 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:52.930 look like when you pull that entry out because that sure 00:17:52.930 --> 00:17:56.000 would be nice to have polish up and see that 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:03.000 original collegiate or limo limo limo entry there. 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.769 So that's, I would ask that the just be that they allow me 00:18:07.769 --> 00:18:12.549 to consult with them as we do that work and determine what 00:18:12.549 --> 00:18:14.000 can be saved. 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.900 Those are my recommendations on the building. Are there any 00:18:17.900 --> 00:18:20.000 questions. 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:27.000 Okay. 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:42.000 The opening that we now see as entering the restroom. 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:46.950 New doors, this lighting would kind of be aluminum glass, I 00:18:46.950 --> 00:18:51.599 don't have them closed, the owner may have a set with them 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:55.000 but you, john I'm sorry I should have kept another. 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:58.400 See this frame here this is a probably it's probably an 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:02.279 Allen an anodized aluminum frame with glass, and those are 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:05.000 going to accordion together and close. 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:08.700 So, you would see that across to the middle here, and you 00:19:08.700 --> 00:19:12.279 see this brick here this is the existing brick on the 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:15.900 interior, which is quite beautiful as you saw in the images 00:19:15.900 --> 00:19:20.000 so I just think that for people coming down the sidewalk. 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:24.099 You're going to have a more of a historic feeling and then 00:19:24.099 --> 00:19:27.730 the other thing I didn't mention here the period of 00:19:27.730 --> 00:19:32.000 significance for our national registered district. 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:41.000 I had the dates, it's there around 1860 or 80 to 1940. 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:45.619 So again the Ellington facade doesn't even fit within the 00:19:45.619 --> 00:19:50.339 period of significance on our historic district. It, not 00:19:50.339 --> 00:19:52.640 that this gets it there, but this doesn't do any again in 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:55.000 nothing was should be done destructive to the original 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:56.000 fabric. 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:00.130 If we are to discover under here that there's an 00:20:00.130 --> 00:20:05.490 opportunity to expose original brick, then we'll be closer 00:20:05.490 --> 00:20:10.559 to a contributing building I believe, then we would have 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:12.000 otherwise. 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:19.269 What I believe is to paint this surface, if, if it can't be 00:20:19.269 --> 00:20:25.259 removed but the contractors are here and they can clarify 00:20:25.259 --> 00:20:26.000 that. 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:42.109 I have some questions for the owner. Okay, about when, like 00:20:42.109 --> 00:20:42.329 when the doors are going to be the front is going to be 00:20:42.329 --> 00:20:42.569 completely closed off is it mostly going to be open like 00:20:42.569 --> 00:20:42.809 this or is it going to be open like this only on, you know, 00:20:42.809 --> 00:20:48.000 good weather days. 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:54.599 Do you want to go ahead and open it up for public into the 00:20:54.599 --> 00:20:57.000 public. Okay. 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:00.660 Roman Thank you for your presentation if the owners could 00:21:00.660 --> 00:21:04.269 come up and speak to some of the questions that we may have 00:21:04.269 --> 00:21:07.859 and let us know what you're thinking here, or if you would 00:21:07.859 --> 00:21:11.430 like to be joined by your contractors or architecture, 00:21:11.430 --> 00:21:13.000 welcome to do that. 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:17.470 Hello, thank you everybody for coming in tonight, just for 00:21:17.470 --> 00:21:18.000 us. 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:29.309 Excellent. And, and I was the agent for the owner of the 00:21:29.309 --> 00:21:34.000 building, as it is. 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:38.759 I have my contractor here cliff tender, as well as the 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:43.549 designer that did these renderings for you. I'm going to 00:21:43.549 --> 00:21:46.109 pass these around you can all take a look this is like all 00:21:46.109 --> 00:21:49.000 of the drawings, as well as pictures from today itself. 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:52.000 Those can go around those are from the designer. 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:54.910 You might get a better picture of some of the pictures that 00:21:54.910 --> 00:21:58.000 are missing from here with the doors completely closed. 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:05.000 I did hear a question about when the doors will be open. 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:08.140 Obviously inclement weather, we get that three four times a 00:22:08.140 --> 00:22:14.140 day in Texas. So, the idea is simply to have the doors. The 00:22:14.140 --> 00:22:16.720 way it's going to work out is that those doors will be able 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:18.000 to retract completely. 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:22.039 So we'll have basically three options will have double 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:26.059 doors that will be able to open up on fairly good weather 00:22:26.059 --> 00:22:29.000 and go into that inside vestibule. 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:32.789 What we're calling our indoor outdoor patio, Chris say it's 00:22:32.789 --> 00:22:36.599 basically taking our current vestibule and expanding it out 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:38.000 to the footprint. 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:42.400 And I don't know how to work this thing so can't get there 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:46.119 but you might be able to look at it in one of these 00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:47.000 pictures. 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:51.809 So, you can see like this would end up being this interior 00:22:51.809 --> 00:22:54.000 indoor outdoor space. 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:57.329 It'll keep everything in indoors that condition space 00:22:57.329 --> 00:23:00.799 protected when the weather is just kind of iffy, and then 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:04.109 the patio will be conditioned as well we're planning on 00:23:04.109 --> 00:23:07.000 putting heating and air out there as well. 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:09.940 So we're going to try to keep those doors open as much as 00:23:09.940 --> 00:23:13.150 possible. Worst case scenario they're all closed in the 00:23:13.150 --> 00:23:16.140 front two doors are also closed best best case scenario 00:23:16.140 --> 00:23:19.380 they're all completely open, but we have three options we 00:23:19.380 --> 00:23:23.990 open up the two front doors like we do now, which is a six 00:23:23.990 --> 00:23:26.569 foot opening, and then still have the glass doors on the 00:23:26.569 --> 00:23:29.000 outside both left and right. 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:33.410 So that's the best case scenario, it all opens up, and you 00:23:33.410 --> 00:23:37.549 have an indoor outdoor patio that will have little cafe 00:23:37.549 --> 00:23:41.779 tables right out front on the sidewalk, that will be mov 00:23:41.779 --> 00:23:44.000 able and inside the space. 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:47.640 So that's going to be a really versatile space we're going 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:51.000 to condition it the best we can for Texas weather. 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:54.759 So we're going to try to keep that open as much as possible 00:23:54.759 --> 00:23:58.519 . We're going to expose, you know, the ceiling to the 00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:02.000 original choice, as much as we can open it all up. 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:07.240 So that literally shows the true history of that building 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:12.049 as far back as it's been built to our knowledge at this 00:24:12.049 --> 00:24:13.000 point. 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:16.000 So that's, that's that question. 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:29.000 Yes, absolutely. 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:47.000 All I'm doing is straight across, like it is now. Basically 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:47.000 , everything that I've tried to do. 00:24:47.000 --> 00:25:02.000 Independently. 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:17.000 Yeah. 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:32.000 Yeah. 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:47.000 Yeah. 00:25:47.000 --> 00:26:02.000 Yeah. 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:17.000 Outside. 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:42.000 All that that'll be exposed. 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:48.000 Well, it'll be everything will be. 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:52.359 Clif Tender is our is our contractor also Brandon, tend 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:56.660 ering come up or Taylor, you can come up here if you would 00:26:56.660 --> 00:26:59.000 like. 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:04.000 Cliff. 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.029 Excellent cliff as you speak I need you to actually say 00:27:07.029 --> 00:27:10.180 your name and your address into that microphone for Clif 00:27:10.180 --> 00:27:13.740 tender Fort Worth, Texas, coming up here to dent in 300 00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:17.000 Benjamin Street can be doing work at 119. 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:20.000 Excellent. Thank you. 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:23.089 Alright, so to answer your question I think enrollment, 00:27:23.089 --> 00:27:29.000 what you showed with the mode actually have an interest. 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:36.000 Right. 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:39.670 So, it, it looks to me like you're taking it a lot further 00:27:39.670 --> 00:27:43.279 back than Ellington's and back towards the limo to the 00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:47.000 collegiate stores so the limo has that terrazzo tile. 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:51.200 And then if I look at the pictures of the collegiate I can 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:55.609 see all of that as well, but without the, the as much like 00:27:55.609 --> 00:27:59.779 window space basically so what you're suggesting is or 00:27:59.779 --> 00:28:04.539 proposing is the better term is knocking that entry back to 00:28:04.539 --> 00:28:06.000 where it was. 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.000 Correct. 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:12.000 And in the in that age, like closer to the 1940s. 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:13.000 Right. 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:14.000 Okay. 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:17.000 But without them. 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.279 This goes in. You see the trial so here. Yes, why red 00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:23.000 stripe. 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:25.000 Yeah, we're gonna see all that. 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:29.390 That's our goal is to show the history of that I think 00:28:29.390 --> 00:28:35.000 Roman like 43 I think when we saw the date. 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:39.000 26 to 40. 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:42.430 And then, of course this has the glass storefront panels 00:28:42.430 --> 00:28:45.980 that were kind of jigg jagged in there. Right. And so those 00:28:45.980 --> 00:28:48.569 will come out and then you'll see the brick, like the next 00:28:48.569 --> 00:28:51.299 door building here, right, we can expose the break here on 00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:54.759 the outside we're going to see the brick from, I'm hoping 00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:58.000 that's 1880 brick from the inside. 00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:02.039 So we're going to have as much history as we can put back 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:06.349 in there. I know right now we have the doors right here on 00:29:06.349 --> 00:29:09.640 the very front and locks it down. It's been like that 00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:12.000 probably since the 1980s. 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.000 80s. 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:30.109 Right. Right. The only difference is we're not going to 00:29:30.109 --> 00:29:31.369 have like the storefront, I mean we're right front bar we 00:29:31.369 --> 00:29:34.000 don't need windows for, you know, selling t shirts and 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:35.000 mannequins. 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:37.000 You don't need mannequins sitting at a table drinking. 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:52.000 We could try. 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.210 With the no smoking ban now and all that, you know, we're 00:29:55.210 --> 00:29:58.599 getting less people frequenting in the business and we want 00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:01.849 to really make a statement on the square. Historically 00:30:01.849 --> 00:30:04.890 speaking and we've looked at all of these pictures and 00:30:04.890 --> 00:30:08.000 everything we can possibly do to bring back the 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:12.269 history of this building because everything I've tried to 00:30:12.269 --> 00:30:16.950 do in the past has always gone back to the 80s. Right. And 00:30:16.950 --> 00:30:21.640 it's like, but that's not historical. Right. Can we go back 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.609 beyond that. So, this is going to expose draw so hopefully 00:30:23.609 --> 00:30:25.990 we got the brick behind the facade that we can expose the 00:30:25.990 --> 00:30:29.000 signage is going to be linear vertical like it used to be 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:33.000 with the mode, like the things like this. 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.700 The addition to the sign above the building is more of a 00:30:36.700 --> 00:30:40.000 historical period like the Morrison's kit. 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:43.000 Corn corn kit, corn kit stuff. 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:46.440 Hollywood signage, you know something a little bit more 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.970 outstanding kind of races that lifts that that building up 00:30:49.970 --> 00:30:51.000 a little bit. 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:55.250 So, if you look at the square from the, from the actual 00:30:55.250 --> 00:30:59.710 courthouse you see all these buildings from Abby down to L 00:30:59.710 --> 00:31:04.079 SA that are all built up and nice and reclaimed and repurp 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:05.000 osed. 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.619 And then you get to this just flat spot all the way past to 00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:10.000 the lawyer spot, and we're just part of that. 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:15.130 Part of it. So we're trying to boost it, lift it, make it 00:31:15.130 --> 00:31:19.950 look more appealing and generate more business for the 00:31:19.950 --> 00:31:21.000 square. 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.640 Well, I really appreciate you looking beyond the 1980s and 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:29.000 into farther back for sure. 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:33.240 Two questions. What are the odds that there are some 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.690 original bricks higher up on the facade and secondarily 00:31:37.690 --> 00:31:41.000 from your facade to the curb how many feet. 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:45.420 We know that we climbed up on the top, and we actually 00:31:45.420 --> 00:31:49.000 tried to remove some of the stuff that's there behind it is 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:50.000 original. 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:54.289 We're still bringing in some masons that kind of got us 00:31:54.289 --> 00:31:59.000 through that because the plaster is right to the brick. 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.000 There's a lot of wire mesh behind it. Right. 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.000 The way it used to be done is the way it's done now. Right. 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:08.289 So we're hoping that we can salvage and reclaim as much of 00:32:08.289 --> 00:32:10.000 that brick that was there. 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.559 You know, I mean that's what we want. We want it to look 00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:13.000 historic. 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:18.809 And then you asked the second question was how far to the 00:32:18.809 --> 00:32:20.660 street. I think it's right at nine feet from the front of 00:32:20.660 --> 00:32:21.000 the building. Right. 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.960 The sidewalk. It's like two just a little over four foot 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:31.000 sections and then the curb. 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:34.039 Whenever you're speaking I'm so sorry whenever you address 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.000 questions would you mind speaking into the mic for us. 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:43.000 Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you because we're recording. 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:44.000 Repeat. 00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:45.000 Here. 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:46.000 Nobody said again. 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.000 Told you from down south. 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.000 Okay. 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:51.000 We're good. 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:52.000 Thanks. 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:55.029 So I have a comment regarding the signage. You were just 00:32:55.029 --> 00:32:58.000 talking about the signage a little bit. 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:04.490 Certainly the sign that's verticals projecting out from the 00:33:04.490 --> 00:33:09.990 center of the building harkens back to previous signage 00:33:09.990 --> 00:33:12.690 that's been on that site and there's others around the 00:33:12.690 --> 00:33:13.000 square. 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:16.000 And that seems very fitting. 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:20.430 I'm wondering if you would be able to explore the design of 00:33:20.430 --> 00:33:25.000 the signage on the top of the building a little further. 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:30.339 It seems kind of contemporary to me. I understand what you 00:33:30.339 --> 00:33:34.000 're saying about maybe trying to make it look like Morrison 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:42.900 's corn kits, but it seems very modern and kind of stuck up 00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:44.000 there. 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:48.359 And so I wonder if there could be more exploration of a 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:50.000 design for that. 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:55.009 Well, I totally knew that question was going to come up. 00:33:55.009 --> 00:33:58.259 That's something the designer and I have been going through 00:33:58.259 --> 00:34:01.460 with that with that construction the framework behind that 00:34:01.460 --> 00:34:02.000 sign. 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.779 Right. The ideal is to put it up there like the Morrison 00:34:05.779 --> 00:34:09.269 born kids or like the old Hollywood signs with minimal 00:34:09.269 --> 00:34:10.000 framework. 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:14.369 That was kind of an idea of like maybe making it a little 00:34:14.369 --> 00:34:18.000 contemporary and retro at the same time. 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:22.260 I figured that idea may not fly with this work society, but 00:34:22.260 --> 00:34:26.000 we can definitely reduce the framework on that. 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:28.840 If you guys buy off on the signage above the building, 00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:32.150 which is what we're really shooting for more than anything, 00:34:32.150 --> 00:34:35.670 because that framework doesn't have to be as big and like 00:34:35.670 --> 00:34:40.000 squared off the way it shows in our, our renderings. 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:43.539 It can be minimal, but we're really trying to buy off on 00:34:43.539 --> 00:34:47.269 just the signage above it to where, you know, it brings 00:34:47.269 --> 00:34:50.000 back a little bit more history to that. 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:53.519 We're trying to go a little contemporary plus, you know, 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:57.269 old school too, because everything around us is going 00:34:57.269 --> 00:34:58.000 contemporary. 00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:01.260 I mean, all the other businesses are doing things that are 00:35:01.260 --> 00:35:03.000 very, very contemporary. 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:11.000 Modern. You know, we're trying not to shoot ourselves in 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:11.000 the foot at the same time, a little step out of bounds if 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:11.000 we can. 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:14.869 So yes, that can be that can definitely be the fonts can be 00:35:14.869 --> 00:35:17.000 changed and all that stuff. 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:21.099 We were going block lettering because just that's the way, 00:35:21.099 --> 00:35:25.000 you know, our current style is within the business. 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:30.309 I wonder if it would look less sort of just stuck up there 00:35:30.309 --> 00:35:34.000 if it was the width of the building. 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:38.320 It looks like it's not far off from being the full width of 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:40.000 the building now. 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.000 I don't have any I don't have a solution in mind. 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:48.000 I just I just think that it it's not quite there yet. 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:52.150 Yeah, it's I think the measurements on that I was looking 00:35:52.150 --> 00:35:53.000 at earlier. 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:56.000 I was 17, Brandon, 17 foot wide. 00:35:56.000 --> 00:36:02.000 The building's only 21, 23 feet wide. 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.000 So there's several versions of that. 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:10.000 There's not a lot of play left in the width of your right. 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:14.159 And that was based on, you know, saving costs and getting 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:18.329 lettering that's already prefabricated and the size and 00:36:18.329 --> 00:36:22.000 keeping it within structural. 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:25.780 I'll say I really like the idea of mimicking the Morrison's 00:36:25.780 --> 00:36:27.000 corn kit sign. 00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:29.000 And I've actually got a picture pulled up of it right now. 00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:31.800 And the big difference between it, because I felt the same 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.030 way as Helen that was off was the framework, the size, the 00:36:35.030 --> 00:36:38.000 boldness of the framework behind it. 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:42.429 However, we can't approve this sign that has to go with the 00:36:42.429 --> 00:36:44.000 same ordinance. 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:48.000 We can only approve the architecture of the building. 00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:49.000 Right. Right. 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:53.710 But I definitely agree. And looking at the Morrison's corn 00:36:53.710 --> 00:36:57.559 kit sign even next to this and reimagining the loophole 00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:00.460 sign with the theme moved over and making a little more 00:37:00.460 --> 00:37:04.000 straight and all of I like the big block lettering. 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.289 But as a lighter framework, I think would still give you 00:37:06.289 --> 00:37:07.000 that height. 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:11.000 But without that heavy kind of grid, absolutely. 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:14.340 I agree. I see your point of the contemporaneous of that 00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:16.000 grid that's on the rendering. 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:19.030 Yeah, that's something we just put into place for the time 00:37:19.030 --> 00:37:22.000 being, just kind of put it up there. Right. I understand. 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:26.099 We've had many discussions about that, like lessening what 00:37:26.099 --> 00:37:29.000 we were kind of shooting for that question to come out. 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.000 Yeah. So that we could see. 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:35.130 Really, I really personally support the idea of going up 00:37:35.130 --> 00:37:39.000 with that sign to add that height to your building. 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.260 And I think that gives you a lot of the more modern feel 00:37:42.260 --> 00:37:45.900 that you're looking for in general, especially doing the 00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:51.289 all black facade gives you more as oddly as it is, it hark 00:37:51.289 --> 00:37:53.000 ens back to that 1940s store. 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:56.000 But it also is very modern. 00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:00.000 Are there any more questions? 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.000 Absolutely. 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.480 And I'm with the legal department. I'm not a decision maker 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:05.000 here. 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:09.670 I just want to preface that. But the folding doors that you 00:38:09.670 --> 00:38:15.000 were showing there, it appears that they may protrude out 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:18.000 and partially obstruct the public sidewalk. 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:23.170 Is that part of the public property or is that part of your 00:38:23.170 --> 00:38:27.000 lot that belongs to the applicant? 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:32.170 Because if it does go out of the sidewalk, the commission's 00:38:32.170 --> 00:38:36.789 approval wouldn't be granting an easement or anything of 00:38:36.789 --> 00:38:39.000 that nature or property right there. 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:42.000 There's something within an architectural style. 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.010 But I thought it might help to clarify. Is that actually 00:38:46.010 --> 00:38:49.510 extending into the sidewalk itself or is that part of your 00:38:49.510 --> 00:38:50.000 lot? 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.840 It would in this current design. Yes, it would be on the 00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:57.630 sidewalk, like people put chairs and tables the same way 00:38:57.630 --> 00:39:00.000 that you can put chairs and tables in front of it. 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.610 So it's kind of like that gray area with the usable space 00:39:02.610 --> 00:39:04.000 in front of the building. 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.650 But we could always like those doors and those that front 00:39:07.650 --> 00:39:11.510 facade and the windows is going to totally depend on, you 00:39:11.510 --> 00:39:14.539 know, if the city buys off on this idea to where when we 00:39:14.539 --> 00:39:17.369 get the bids, where that window, what kind of windows and 00:39:17.369 --> 00:39:19.000 doors, those are going to actually be. 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.039 They could be roll up windows. They could be something 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:24.630 completely different for easement purposes and stuff like 00:39:24.630 --> 00:39:27.260 that, because we will when we open it all up, we're going 00:39:27.260 --> 00:39:30.000 to put chairs and tables in front just like everybody else. 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.000 So we're going to take up that space. 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:37.110 The consideration of this facade would not grant permission 00:39:37.110 --> 00:39:42.000 on behalf of the city per se to extend onto the sidewalk. 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.179 That kind of permission may have to come from another board 00:39:45.179 --> 00:39:47.000 or council or some other body. 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:49.000 Yes, that's actually a really good point. 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:51.000 I didn't think about that. 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.329 I'm sure that Cliff will come up with something that can 00:39:54.329 --> 00:39:56.000 not MPs on the sidewalk. 00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:59.000 So it doesn't set a precedence. 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.000 You can get accordion doors that have the pivot point. 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:05.000 Right where they're like they fold inside. 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:06.000 Yeah, we can. 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:10.000 I mean, that's just that's semantics. 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:13.000 I guess there are solutions for sure. 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:17.000 This guy knows all of them. Trust me. 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:19.000 Anything else? 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:22.000 Daniel looks good. 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:23.000 It's a great concept. 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:24.000 I love it. 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.000 I do too, actually. 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:28.000 Trying to keep up with the town. 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.000 What do you think about this? 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.000 It seems like you've been here longer than any of us. 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:34.000 You like what we're doing? 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:35.000 That's not an insult. 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:42.000 I'm asking for your wisdom. 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.000 I don't know about yours. 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:50.000 I like the idea of exposing the brick. 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.000 I like the idea of the floor. 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:57.000 I like the vertical sign. 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:01.000 I like interior exposure, which you're talking about. 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:07.000 I see your idea on the folding doors. 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.000 That may be a problem. 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:19.000 Not my group, but some other people. 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:21.000 I like your idea. 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.000 I support it. 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:25.000 Thanks, John. 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:27.820 I heard you were concerned before we were talking about the 00:41:27.820 --> 00:41:31.000 sign. 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:34.000 I'm not concerned about that anymore. 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:40.000 I'm not because I don't have any authority. 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.000 That's the citizen I'm not concerned about. 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.000 It's okay. 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.000 I don't have any problems. 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:48.000 Man, I appreciate you. 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.000 I really do. 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:55.010 A lot of times when we go to meetings, there's always a 00:41:55.010 --> 00:41:58.349 question that we don't answer thoroughly, and we have to go 00:41:58.349 --> 00:41:59.000 back. 00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:01.170 I just want to make sure I cover the basics, but I 00:42:01.170 --> 00:42:03.000 appreciate you telling us exactly what it is. 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:07.000 All the concerns you have about the sign, about the doors, 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.000 believe me, we've been up for how many hours? 00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:11.000 Nights sometimes talking about this. 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:14.920 We just wanted something to present, to get a feel, so we 00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:17.000 can proceed or go forward. 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.000 If you like it, then we want to run with it. 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.000 We want to do it as soon as the city allows. 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.030 Of course, we're going to work to keep the history of Dent 00:42:25.030 --> 00:42:26.000 on down there. 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:29.000 There's so many people that forget it. 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:30.000 It's like they come to Denton. 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.000 It's like it's a college town. 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:33.000 No. 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.179 You know, Bonnie and Clyde came here, and that little place 00:42:36.179 --> 00:42:39.000 where I live, they robbed that bank twice. 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:43.000 So it's just -- it's what people talk about. 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.500 So when they come here, we want to say, hey, you've been to 00:42:45.500 --> 00:42:46.000 Denton? 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:49.030 And they say, oh, you mean that place that has the loophole 00:42:49.030 --> 00:42:50.000 , the old place? 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:53.440 So we want to bring some life here, you know, or keep life 00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:54.000 here. 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.000 That's our goal, make it look good. 00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.050 And if you all work with us on it, hey, we're going to do 00:43:00.050 --> 00:43:03.250 everything we can to do what we say we're going to do and 00:43:03.250 --> 00:43:05.000 fix the door problems. 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.000 We talked about those front glass doors also. 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:12.190 Originally, the concept was more or less like LSA, where it 00:43:12.190 --> 00:43:13.000 was just -- 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:14.000 The open. 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.550 It's open because that's -- our attention was that open 00:43:16.550 --> 00:43:19.980 patio, and we have the interior locks doors, and that's all 00:43:19.980 --> 00:43:22.000 secure and weatherproof. 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.000 So that's a possibility. 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.110 Cliff brought up a really good point with those doors, 00:43:28.110 --> 00:43:30.619 those hinged or whatever metal collapsing doors are very 00:43:30.619 --> 00:43:31.000 dangerous. 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.840 People lose their fingers and stuff, closing those things 00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:35.000 and stuff like that. 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:37.480 And so we were going for something a little more secure and 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.849 then, like I said, having three different options, weather 00:43:40.849 --> 00:43:42.000 dependent. 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.030 And finding the right touch for those front doors and 00:43:45.030 --> 00:43:48.199 windows is obviously going to be one of the biggest, you 00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:50.000 know, things we have to conquer, 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.250 because that is going to be the major thing that everybody 00:43:53.250 --> 00:43:55.000 's going to see year round. 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:59.449 So we don't want it to look like a bunch of jailhouse bars 00:43:59.449 --> 00:44:02.000 and stuff like that either. 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:09.510 We want it to look nice and still periodic to the timeframe 00:44:09.510 --> 00:44:10.000 . 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:15.000 Helen, anything? 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.000 If there are no other questions. 00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:19.630 I would like to add that I think you should bring back the 00:44:19.630 --> 00:44:21.000 legal puns on your menu. 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.000 Legal puns? 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:25.000 Yes. 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.000 They had a bunch of lawyer puns on their menu. 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.000 They were hilarious. 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:31.000 They were great. 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:36.000 The jail break burger and all that stuff. 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.869 The chef is sitting right behind you, so we're working on 00:44:39.869 --> 00:44:41.000 the new menu. 00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.739 This is going to actually -- everything is going to trickle 00:44:43.739 --> 00:44:46.000 down through the menu and everything else. 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:51.000 Is that some clear glass in those windows or what? 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.000 Well, right now we have it designed as clear. 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:54.000 Right. 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:55.000 So you can see through all the way. 00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:56.000 Safety and all that other stuff. 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:57.000 Oh, absolutely. 00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:58.000 Yeah, tempered glass. 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:02.000 Yeah, no harm. 00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:06.929 I want to say I really appreciate the way that you looked 00:45:06.929 --> 00:45:11.000 at the past and married it with the present, 00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:15.000 because we're not trying to recreate Disney World here. 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:20.000 This is not the 1940s on repeat. 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:24.000 I really like that you have taken a modern approach 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:28.000 utilizing the historic fabric of what's in that building 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:33.360 and your openness to looking at the considerable materials 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:36.000 that are currently there. 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.320 I really -- I just want to say I appreciate your efforts in 00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:39.000 that manner. 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.000 That is hard to do. 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:42.000 Thanks, Alyssa. 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.699 I think Brandon and Taylor over there are designers, and 00:45:45.699 --> 00:45:49.000 Lynn in front of him is the most responsible 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.210 for really taking all of the old and the current and 00:45:52.210 --> 00:45:54.000 putting it all together. 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:55.000 Yeah. 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:58.030 I think that this would be a really easy facade to look at 00:45:58.030 --> 00:46:01.000 and somebody to go, whoa, that's not historic at all. 00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:04.300 But when you look back at the older pictures in the Colleg 00:46:04.300 --> 00:46:07.000 iate Store and Le Mode and the others, 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:12.360 and you look at the reinvigoration of the brick and re 00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.000 introducing it in a new way, 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.519 and the tile and reintroducing it in a new way, it's very 00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:21.000 creative, and you've done a really nice job here. 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.000 Thank you very much. 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:23.000 We appreciate it. 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:25.000 We need to stand out. 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:28.110 We've been in business now 22 years as a loophole and LNP 00:46:28.110 --> 00:46:29.000 before that. 00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:30.000 Yeah. 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:33.000 A lot of things have changed and gone out. 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:35.000 Everything's changing. 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:38.000 We've got to be new and different. 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:39.000 Great. 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:40.000 Thank you. 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:42.800 Well, if we have no other questions, we're free to sit down 00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:43.000 . 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.510 Hey, I want to thank you all for letting us talk to you 00:46:45.510 --> 00:46:47.000 about what we like to do here in Denton. 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:48.000 We appreciate your time. 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:49.000 We know everybody's got a family life. 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:50.000 So thank you again. 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:51.000 Absolutely. 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:52.000 Thank you. 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.190 Roman, thank you again for the presentation and all the 00:46:54.190 --> 00:46:56.000 hard work that you went into researching. 00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:57.000 Appreciate it. 00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:58.000 Appreciate you all. 00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.000 Thank you very much. 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:03.599 Is there anybody else from the public who would like to 00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.000 speak about this? 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:06.000 No? 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:07.000 Okay. 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.000 Then we'll go ahead and close the public portion of this. 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:10.000 I have a comment. 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:11.000 Oh, you have a comment? 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:12.000 Just real quick. 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:13.000 Go for it. 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.139 Just for clarification, if Roman, can you clarify the 00:47:16.139 --> 00:47:17.000 condition? 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.519 There is a recommendation that's in the staff report that's 00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:22.000 not on the slide there. 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:27.280 Was that intended or did you want to include the condition 00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.000 that's in the staff report as well? 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:31.000 That was it. 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.000 I don't remember what I've got there. 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:34.000 What is it? 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.559 It says that if it is discovered during the demolition 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:41.269 phase that the original facade material may be permanently 00:47:41.269 --> 00:47:45.000 exposed and is worthy of such that they remain exposed. 00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:46.000 Is that? 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:49.670 I think that's probably more appropriately written there 00:47:49.670 --> 00:47:52.000 than here, whichever one works. 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.000 I think it's kind of the same. 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.000 Final determination to be made by HPO. 00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:57.000 Okay. 00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:58.000 Respect to the viability. 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.030 I think there could be, sometimes, for example, with your, 00:48:01.030 --> 00:48:03.849 you might expose some brick and you might have a mason come 00:48:03.849 --> 00:48:06.699 out and he's going to say, oh, I can't, you could repoint 00:48:06.699 --> 00:48:10.349 that, but it's going to fall out anyway or the brick's too 00:48:10.349 --> 00:48:13.000 decayed and somebody has to make that call. 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:18.000 And personally, I'd like to be trusted with that. 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:20.519 And I mean, I'm not going to be, make that decision just on 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:21.000 my own. 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:23.489 But generally, the brick I've seen here in Denton is 00:48:23.489 --> 00:48:25.000 usually really hard brick. 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:28.929 Down near the border, we have a lot of brick that's, it 00:48:28.929 --> 00:48:33.000 just falls apart, a lot of the sand and just opens up. 00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:34.000 You don't see it so much here. 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.530 But it's just a question of whether you end up in, or if 00:48:36.530 --> 00:48:39.010 the terrazzo floor looks just like it's got a bunch of 00:48:39.010 --> 00:48:41.590 concrete stuck to it and doesn't look like it's going to 00:48:41.590 --> 00:48:44.360 make it, but we've all, you know, we've seen that you can 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:46.000 resurface those things. 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:50.000 Although on the other hand, it may be terribly destroyed. 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:53.929 I don't know if they drove, you know, nails into it every 00:48:53.929 --> 00:48:56.000 four inches or something. 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:59.000 Until you get in there, you're not going to know. 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:04.000 So it's up to you all how you want to word it. 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:07.000 I'm sure it's completely up to you. 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:08.000 Those are the things. 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:11.219 And I didn't realize I had gotten those differently as I 00:49:11.219 --> 00:49:13.000 was putting this together. 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:14.000 Just a little different. 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:16.559 I just want to make sure that the commission was clear on 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:18.000 staff's recommendation. 00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:19.000 Okay. 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:23.260 Both are asking that we, that if we find original material 00:49:23.260 --> 00:49:25.000 that we leave it there. 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:28.679 But I think we've discussed that the only thing that it may 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.000 be that it's not going to happen. 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.000 You may not be able to access that brick very well. 00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:36.340 And so it's going to be a question until you get into the 00:49:36.340 --> 00:49:37.000 building. 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:40.000 You really can't tell. 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:43.000 Right. 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:51.510 Questions, comments, any other clarification that needs to 00:49:51.510 --> 00:49:53.000 happen? 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.000 You ready for a motion? 00:49:55.000 --> 00:50:00.380 I move we approve HLC 18-012 subject to the following 00:50:00.380 --> 00:50:05.280 condition that the original brickwork and floor work, if 00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:11.000 possible, be restored and retained as subject to approval 00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:16.000 by our historic preservation officer. 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.000 I second. 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:23.590 Do we have any commentary while we have an open motion on 00:50:23.590 --> 00:50:25.000 the floor? 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:26.000 No questions. 00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:27.000 Good. 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:28.000 All right. 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:29.000 Let's go ahead and take a vote. 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:30.000 All those in favor say aye. 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:31.000 Aye. 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:34.000 All those opposed say nay. 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:35.000 Right. 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:36.000 It passes unanimously. 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:39.000 The motion is approved. 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:40.000 Good job, y'all. 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:47.000 I hope that's what you were hoping for. 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:51.000 We really look forward to seeing what you do there. 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:59.000 So I'm crossing our fingers for terrazzo in good shape. 00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:02.000 Yes, we'll make you proud. 00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:03.000 Good. 00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:04.000 I love it. 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.000 I have to look at it every day when I walk outside. 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:10.000 So make me proud. 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:18.000 I'm excited. 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:19.000 One more item. 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:32.000 I'm just going to wait for it to quiet down really quickly. 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:33.000 Thank you. 00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:34.000 Thank you so much. 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:42.000 I'm glad you're here. 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:50.000 I'm glad you're here. 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:53.000 Thank you. 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:56.000 Thank you. 00:51:56.000 --> 00:52:05.000 Thank you. 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:06.000 All right. 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:07.000 Okay. 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:08.000 Let's wrap this thing up. 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:09.000 We've got one more item to go through. 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:12.000 The historic landmark commission project matrix. 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:13.000 Roman. 00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:16.000 Are there any items that need to be added, updated? 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:19.000 I haven't proposed any changes to this. 00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:23.000 If y'all have anything you want to add to it. 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:26.000 I'm not sure if it's been, it's not been having it really 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:26.000 addressed it since the last meeting. 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:27.000 Okay. 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:28.000 I do have one quick question. 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.000 The local designation of downtown. 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:32.000 Okay. 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:34.000 Has the PNZ presentation happened? 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:35.000 Yes. 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:38.400 That those, that whatever we're calling, I don't think we 00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:40.000 've really defined it, but a design district. 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:41.000 Sure. 00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:42.000 For lack of a better word. 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.199 That was actually presented at a work session to city 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:46.000 council. 00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:47.000 Okay. 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:52.250 And that is the ordinance for that is that being prepared 00:52:52.250 --> 00:52:53.000 now. 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:54.000 Excellent. 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:57.780 And when it's after that, there will be an opportunity for 00:52:57.780 --> 00:53:00.769 public input again, kind of in the community, community 00:53:00.769 --> 00:53:03.340 meeting type of it before what comes back to landmark 00:53:03.340 --> 00:53:04.000 commission. 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.000 Then to PNZ and then to city council again. 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:08.000 Okay. 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.000 So when are, what is the timeline for that? 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:11.000 What are we looking at? 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:14.599 I'm not exactly sure that I know the ordinance is being 00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:18.510 drafted by Sean in the office and we'll be discussing that 00:53:18.510 --> 00:53:20.000 actually tomorrow. 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:23.440 So I would imagine within the next month, we'll be holding 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:26.000 another community meeting of some type. 00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:28.800 And then I don't know if we'll make that full circuit to 00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:32.000 the downtown task force and the main street board again. 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:33.980 I'm not sure if she's really where we'll, it may not be 00:53:33.980 --> 00:53:36.000 that little Ron seconds. 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:41.000 Maybe it'll just be a community meeting and then here and 00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:41.000 yeah. 00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:44.000 So that quick there. 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.000 The that's that's where we are with that. 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:48.000 Awesome. 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:49.000 Thank you so much. 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:50.000 Yeah. 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:51.000 Okay. 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:54.000 Anything else? 00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:55.000 We're good. 00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:56.000 Add subtract. 00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.000 Great. 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:02.019 If there's no other business, then the regular meeting is 00:54:02.019 --> 00:54:05.000 adjourned at 630 PN. 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:06.000 Thank you. 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:07.000 Thank you all. 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:08.000 Thank you all very much. 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:21.000 Thank you.