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We have a quorum, we need five members, we have five

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members, so I will now call the regular meeting to order at

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5.37 p.m.

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Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Roy, would you mind leading us in the Pledges of Allegiance

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? Thank you.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

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America

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and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under

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God,

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one indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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I'm sorry, I started thinking of the Texas Pledge.

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Honor the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas one

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state under God, one indivisible.

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Alright, we have two items for consideration tonight.

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The first we need to do is consider approval of the Hist

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oric Landmark Commission meeting minutes from May 14, 2018.

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Do I have any motions to approve the minutes?

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So moved.

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Excellent. Second.

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Wonderful, thank you Roy for your second.

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All those in favor say aye.

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All those opposed say nay.

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Cool, the motion is approved.

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Unanimously.

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Alright, so let's move on to item B, hold a public meeting

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and consider an application for a certificate of appropri

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ateness

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in accordance with section 37.5, sorry, 35.7.6.8A for

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exterior rehabilitation work to the building located at 119

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West Hickory Street,

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a locally designated landmark located on West Hickory

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Street between South Elm and South Locust.

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Roman is going to give us a presentation.

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Thank you, thank you everyone for making it here this

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evening.

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Prepared for you an extensive PowerPoint on this building

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but I'll click as quick as I can.

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The reason is that this property had a C of A in 2012 for

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some windows and some door alterations and

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it's my opinion that we probably didn't really consider the

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full picture at that time and this building is a local

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landmark at this site in the National Register District.

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So, a couple things I want to draw your attention to are on

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the left here is a letter that was sent from our department

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to the owner back in 1981.

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And it talked in this first paragraph towards the end.

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It says that the Landmark Commission recommended approval

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for a landmark designation.

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And then it says, with the stipulation that the historic

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landmark plaque which I'm not sure plaque was ever created

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but it may be that it was the idea should there be one that

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it include the word site.

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Now I was unable to find the minutes from 1981, but I'm

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going to, I'm going to suggest to you or proposing the idea

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that I think what's more important about this building is

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the site.

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And that also seems to be the case when we look closely at

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this sheet on the right, which has to do with it's a sheet

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for which there was a sheet made for each property when the

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National Register District was created.

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And I'm going to move here it's a little closer. Look at

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that document. It gives the address at the top.

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And then you notice under style and type here it says turn

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of the century New Orleans mercantile. Well that references

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to the Ellington's bar which was built in the 80s or the

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facade of the Ellington's bar which was made to look like

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it.

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And according to the Landmark Commission and some

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documentation that the intent of the striped awning and the

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wooden doors at that time was to, to have it look in that

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style.

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However, if we look at the, the description of the sort of

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in here from that was part of the historical survey and

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study and research that was done, we get a better idea

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about the building that it was an old stone house it was

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damaged by a fire.

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There were three fires at least at this site over a period

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over this, you know since to today.

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And I'm sorry did you say three fires, three total you see

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on the end there, the dates and I also the dates were in 18

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77 on the south side of the square there was a fire with

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severe destruction to virtually every business.

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Sorry I got my dates wrong 1860 is the first fire on the

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south side of the square that destroyed the building that

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was there, which was probably the stone house or some parts

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thereof.

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was a civil war soldier.

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The next fire was 1877.

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Right there those notes are on that sheet and that's the

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sheet that was submitted to the National Park Service to

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create the National Register District and it shows those

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remodeling dates on the right, all the way up to 81, which

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is Ellington's.

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I'll pick up the pace a little just these are interesting

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1885. And you can tell where we had it with those fires

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that often in these, the Sanborn mess will talk about a few

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things I think it's interesting that there was no

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independent horse carts, and the talks

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about the water facilities not being good and that may not

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have been helpful during those fires.

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This is the south side of the square at that time. And the

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site there is whatever I can't read it from here but yeah

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groceries and photo photography, and then you still have

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groceries and photography here in 1891.

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And in 1896 you still have the photo.

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We're looking right there. And that little box.

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I'll have a photograph that that shows that.

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Yes, this is where we just these pictures are going a

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little different. Okay, there's maybe that photograph of a

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street view and there's the photography place, and maybe

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that box that's on the roof I'm just not sure how

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descriptive it is is of that condition,

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which looks a little like to me like it may have even been

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glass on top but I'm not really sure no it's dark here so

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there's that's what was going on around the turn of the

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century.

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this is an unknown streetscape, but about window openings

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and door openings on building facades around that time.

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Now this is the north side of the square with the College

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of Industrial Arts there in the back the CIA. And you again

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you see our, our typical facades here in Denton at that

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time most of these have a little vestibule or windows on

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the side here.

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But I wanted to just think about that so in 1901, we, we

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see have two story building there. So that's the building

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that eventually is going to burn here's 1907.

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And here it's interesting that in 1917 they're referencing

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that we've improved our firefighting capacity with this

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descriptive that's on the Sanborn map that we have to full

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pied full paid men living at the station three part time or

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five I can't quite read the number.

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And one American La France six cylinder something

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horsepower combination pumper pumps the chemicals and has

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the hose, and then one two horse something hose reel and

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two horses on a number 230 and, and then one other La

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France combination trucks so we were ready in 1917.

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Then, this is that streetscape around 1917 again, and our

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building is right here.

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And here's a photograph from about that time of the south

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side of the square. So you see this is before we demolish

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this bank that became the Wells Fargo bank.

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And then there's that facade. And so it was the 26 fire

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that took down a lot of these, these buildings, so our

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building then had this second story, and I think that this,

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whatever's left right in here.

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The, for the, the, the side walls of the front opening are

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probably what's there today under the current structure so

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here's a little more closer look at that.

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And of course I guess this second Julie knows better than

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me I think this was damaged in the fire and then they

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decided not to put it back. But this lower portion is what

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you see there today at the, at the ice cream store.

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So here is 26.

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And so this must be just prior to the fire, because all

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this would have been damaged now usually they'll mark in

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here that there's fire damage or destroyed buildings.

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And in your notes, you have this description, which has to

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do with when it was landmarked in 81 this history was

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written. So it says various tenants occupied the building

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through 1926, when the second floor was again ravaged by

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fire reconstruction

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repair amounting to $5,500 was completed between 26 and 29.

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And the burn joints in the building shell indicate that at

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this moment in its history the building became a one story

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structure in 1940 limo dress shop occupied the building and

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an art deco storefront was constructed.

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The mode was followed by the collegiate shop and then by Bo

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Mars, from whom the present owners purchased the building

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in 1980.

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And so that's that tax image of the storefront. And again

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so here I think what what's happened is they've skinned it

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with possibly that that product that's something like glass

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, it's a that we see some of that on the west side of the

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square still.

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I think that your original brick would have been under here

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and under here and then a stucco maybe was applied here.

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And the Duke and Ayers building hasn't been altered yet.

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It's an image yet just a little bit later because now we

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have the collegiate shop and it looks like they've painted.

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You can kind of see that little brick detail it's still

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bumping out there but it may have been painted back it

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looks a little darker below here.

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This is an image also about that time because the, the

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department stores haven't changed.

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And it was an early.

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Looks like every Saturday on the square currently.

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Same vibes.

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And so here it is it's the Ellington bar back here. So we

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've landmark this building right around this time.

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And this is again where I get to, I'm, if we were landmark

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ing a building with a facade from 80, it makes more sense

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that we were paying attention to the, to the site, and

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which makes me think that the not would make the owner feel

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very good but the work in 2012 and where we got a little, a

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little concerned about this facade,

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I'm not sure that was the best way to go so here was it

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also interesting because here we have that.

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That new facade under construction that happens in this

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building.

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And there's a night shot.

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I don't think I'd let my children go to that bar it just

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looks creepy in that.

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It looks a little prettier here, the snow and about the

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same time there it is.

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And this is the 1996 historic resource survey that the

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Texas Historic Commission paid grant for, and there's that

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that beside.

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Now, these are, this is a recent photograph taken from the

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inside looking towards the front of the building. And what

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I want to call out is that these this very nice original

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brick condition I mean I don't know if it's the original

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brick but it's old brick that's in good condition.

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You see it on both sides. And this.

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Getting a little closer to that.

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You can see that I'm the project at that they're proposing,

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as you'll see will allow people to actually see some of

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this, just from walking down the sidewalk and so here's

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that.

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And what I'm saying is, I think was untouched and if you

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look a little closer at that brick work.

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And you see the edges finished of the brick very nicely all

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the way up on both of those openings from the inside.

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And this is the, the other side of the east side edge of

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the same, same building same openings there.

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This is what it looks like inside and has these skylights

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and original walls.

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And I understand I saw in the history here that the floor

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was reconditioned was resurfaced in the 80s I think when

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the bar was created.

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So, in my recommendation, and in talking to the owners and

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the contractors who are here this evening. We're curious as

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to what you might find back behind here so this is the

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building to the left of it.

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This is our building here.

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And that stucco is there's probably maybe a laugh there and

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some original brick. And then this layer is this on top of

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the black glass surface or is this that was destroyed and

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then something else was put we really can't know at this

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time.

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So, the request.

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How to miss, okay, let me I'm sorry that that slides out of

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order so here's what we're proposing to do.

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The owner is proposing. Now it's important to note that

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this is a C of a ahead of a building permit. So your sign

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ordinances, and your, your building code things to question

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still need to be answered but in general this is the

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concept that they want to

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go forward with, which is to remove the, the front of the

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building. And I'm, I think it's back, you'll have to ask

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them that question I believe we're still leaving. If we

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have an opening in here I'm not sure where that I don't see

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that detail very well maybe

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in the next in the plans photo. So here is just an

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elevation of the. Those are the those which you see a lot

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these days are on the east side of barley and board kind of

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type, aluminum frame glass folding doors.

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This sign condition here is very similar to what we saw in

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the 40s limoed image this is a little bit different.

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Now here you're looking into so this is the floor space

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that would be entry, you would enter here is actually what

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I'm saying is it looks like the brick is there on the sides

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that you can ask for some clarity there but it looks like

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that's there.

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So here's a kind of a vestibule opening and the actual

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entry to the building will be inside, and they propose to

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have a little counter here to serve guests out here in

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front.

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And here that is in plan on the floor plan. So here's the

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front of the building.

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And those doors that fold.

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And then the actual entry into the conditions part of the

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part of the building and the bar.

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I'm recommending, I've met with the with them based on my

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under, you know my understanding of this building and

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looking at what we have about our landmark. To me it's not

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the 1980s facade that we were concerned with when we

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landmarked it.

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I think it was that we were concerned with the site and the

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history of the building and if we look at the National

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Register nomination, and that was list of alterations all

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the way to 1980.

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And I think that's a good example of how we're going to be

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able to come down the sidewalk and to see original brick I

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think if we do this carefully. We will not alter or destroy

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any historic fabric in this building, because the 80s

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facade.

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And the way that's framed in there's not going to be much

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integrity in there.

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Just in that Ellington facade.

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I think that the sign and all other codes will be met. And

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then the contractor said that he would like to, and the

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owner, if I understand correctly, they would like to see

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what happens as they're exposing that and see whether the

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under the stucco there's some original brick

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that might be able to be exposed, and then the terrazzo

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floor that you see in the collegiate image you can see the

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edge of the trial floor there now. What is that going to

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look like when you pull that entry out because that sure

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would be nice to have polish up and see that

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original collegiate or limo limo limo entry there.

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So that's, I would ask that the just be that they allow me

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to consult with them as we do that work and determine what

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can be saved.

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Those are my recommendations on the building. Are there any

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questions.

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Okay.

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The opening that we now see as entering the restroom.

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New doors, this lighting would kind of be aluminum glass, I

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don't have them closed, the owner may have a set with them

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but you, john I'm sorry I should have kept another.

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See this frame here this is a probably it's probably an

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Allen an anodized aluminum frame with glass, and those are

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going to accordion together and close.

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So, you would see that across to the middle here, and you

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see this brick here this is the existing brick on the

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interior, which is quite beautiful as you saw in the images

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so I just think that for people coming down the sidewalk.

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You're going to have a more of a historic feeling and then

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the other thing I didn't mention here the period of

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significance for our national registered district.

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I had the dates, it's there around 1860 or 80 to 1940.

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So again the Ellington facade doesn't even fit within the

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period of significance on our historic district. It, not

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that this gets it there, but this doesn't do any again in

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nothing was should be done destructive to the original

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fabric.

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If we are to discover under here that there's an

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opportunity to expose original brick, then we'll be closer

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to a contributing building I believe, then we would have

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otherwise.

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What I believe is to paint this surface, if, if it can't be

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removed but the contractors are here and they can clarify

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that.

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I have some questions for the owner. Okay, about when, like

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when the doors are going to be the front is going to be

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completely closed off is it mostly going to be open like

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this or is it going to be open like this only on, you know,

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good weather days.

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Do you want to go ahead and open it up for public into the

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public. Okay.

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Roman Thank you for your presentation if the owners could

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come up and speak to some of the questions that we may have

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and let us know what you're thinking here, or if you would

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like to be joined by your contractors or architecture,

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welcome to do that.

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Hello, thank you everybody for coming in tonight, just for

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us.

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Excellent. And, and I was the agent for the owner of the

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building, as it is.

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I have my contractor here cliff tender, as well as the

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designer that did these renderings for you. I'm going to

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pass these around you can all take a look this is like all

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of the drawings, as well as pictures from today itself.

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Those can go around those are from the designer.

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You might get a better picture of some of the pictures that

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are missing from here with the doors completely closed.

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I did hear a question about when the doors will be open.

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Obviously inclement weather, we get that three four times a

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day in Texas. So, the idea is simply to have the doors. The

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way it's going to work out is that those doors will be able

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to retract completely.

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So we'll have basically three options will have double

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doors that will be able to open up on fairly good weather

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and go into that inside vestibule.

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What we're calling our indoor outdoor patio, Chris say it's

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basically taking our current vestibule and expanding it out

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to the footprint.

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And I don't know how to work this thing so can't get there

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but you might be able to look at it in one of these

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pictures.

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So, you can see like this would end up being this interior

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indoor outdoor space.

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It'll keep everything in indoors that condition space

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protected when the weather is just kind of iffy, and then

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the patio will be conditioned as well we're planning on

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putting heating and air out there as well.

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So we're going to try to keep those doors open as much as

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possible. Worst case scenario they're all closed in the

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front two doors are also closed best best case scenario

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they're all completely open, but we have three options we

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open up the two front doors like we do now, which is a six

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foot opening, and then still have the glass doors on the

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outside both left and right.

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So that's the best case scenario, it all opens up, and you

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have an indoor outdoor patio that will have little cafe

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tables right out front on the sidewalk, that will be mov

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able and inside the space.

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So that's going to be a really versatile space we're going

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to condition it the best we can for Texas weather.

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So we're going to try to keep that open as much as possible

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. We're going to expose, you know, the ceiling to the

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original choice, as much as we can open it all up.

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So that literally shows the true history of that building

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as far back as it's been built to our knowledge at this

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point.

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So that's, that's that question.

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Yes, absolutely.

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All I'm doing is straight across, like it is now. Basically

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, everything that I've tried to do.

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Independently.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Outside.

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All that that'll be exposed.

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Well, it'll be everything will be.

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Clif Tender is our is our contractor also Brandon, tend

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ering come up or Taylor, you can come up here if you would

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like.

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Cliff.

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Excellent cliff as you speak I need you to actually say

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your name and your address into that microphone for Clif

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tender Fort Worth, Texas, coming up here to dent in 300

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Benjamin Street can be doing work at 119.

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Excellent. Thank you.

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Alright, so to answer your question I think enrollment,

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what you showed with the mode actually have an interest.

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Right.

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So, it, it looks to me like you're taking it a lot further

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back than Ellington's and back towards the limo to the

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collegiate stores so the limo has that terrazzo tile.

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And then if I look at the pictures of the collegiate I can

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see all of that as well, but without the, the as much like

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window space basically so what you're suggesting is or

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proposing is the better term is knocking that entry back to

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where it was.

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Correct.

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And in the in that age, like closer to the 1940s.

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Right.

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Okay.

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But without them.

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This goes in. You see the trial so here. Yes, why red

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stripe.

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Yeah, we're gonna see all that.

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That's our goal is to show the history of that I think

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Roman like 43 I think when we saw the date.

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26 to 40.

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And then, of course this has the glass storefront panels

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that were kind of jigg jagged in there. Right. And so those

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will come out and then you'll see the brick, like the next

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door building here, right, we can expose the break here on

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the outside we're going to see the brick from, I'm hoping

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that's 1880 brick from the inside.

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So we're going to have as much history as we can put back

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in there. I know right now we have the doors right here on

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the very front and locks it down. It's been like that

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probably since the 1980s.

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80s.

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Right. Right. The only difference is we're not going to

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have like the storefront, I mean we're right front bar we

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don't need windows for, you know, selling t shirts and

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mannequins.

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You don't need mannequins sitting at a table drinking.

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We could try.

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With the no smoking ban now and all that, you know, we're

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getting less people frequenting in the business and we want

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to really make a statement on the square. Historically

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speaking and we've looked at all of these pictures and

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everything we can possibly do to bring back the

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history of this building because everything I've tried to

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do in the past has always gone back to the 80s. Right. And

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it's like, but that's not historical. Right. Can we go back

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beyond that. So, this is going to expose draw so hopefully

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we got the brick behind the facade that we can expose the

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signage is going to be linear vertical like it used to be

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with the mode, like the things like this.

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The addition to the sign above the building is more of a

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historical period like the Morrison's kit.

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Corn corn kit, corn kit stuff.

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Hollywood signage, you know something a little bit more

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outstanding kind of races that lifts that that building up

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a little bit.

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So, if you look at the square from the, from the actual

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courthouse you see all these buildings from Abby down to L

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SA that are all built up and nice and reclaimed and repurp

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osed.

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And then you get to this just flat spot all the way past to

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the lawyer spot, and we're just part of that.

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Part of it. So we're trying to boost it, lift it, make it

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look more appealing and generate more business for the

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square.

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Well, I really appreciate you looking beyond the 1980s and

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into farther back for sure.

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Two questions. What are the odds that there are some

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original bricks higher up on the facade and secondarily

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from your facade to the curb how many feet.

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We know that we climbed up on the top, and we actually

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tried to remove some of the stuff that's there behind it is

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original.

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We're still bringing in some masons that kind of got us

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through that because the plaster is right to the brick.

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There's a lot of wire mesh behind it. Right.

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The way it used to be done is the way it's done now. Right.

503
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,289
So we're hoping that we can salvage and reclaim as much of

504
00:32:08,289 --> 00:32:10,000
that brick that was there.

505
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,559
You know, I mean that's what we want. We want it to look

506
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:13,000
historic.

507
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,809
And then you asked the second question was how far to the

508
00:32:18,809 --> 00:32:20,660
street. I think it's right at nine feet from the front of

509
00:32:20,660 --> 00:32:21,000
the building. Right.

510
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,960
The sidewalk. It's like two just a little over four foot

511
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:31,000
sections and then the curb.

512
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,039
Whenever you're speaking I'm so sorry whenever you address

513
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,000
questions would you mind speaking into the mic for us.

514
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:43,000
Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you because we're recording.

515
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Repeat.

516
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,000
Here.

517
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Nobody said again.

518
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,000
Told you from down south.

519
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Okay.

520
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,000
We're good.

521
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,000
Thanks.

522
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,029
So I have a comment regarding the signage. You were just

523
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:58,000
talking about the signage a little bit.

524
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:04,490
Certainly the sign that's verticals projecting out from the

525
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:09,990
center of the building harkens back to previous signage

526
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:12,690
that's been on that site and there's others around the

527
00:33:12,690 --> 00:33:13,000
square.

528
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,000
And that seems very fitting.

529
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,430
I'm wondering if you would be able to explore the design of

530
00:33:20,430 --> 00:33:25,000
the signage on the top of the building a little further.

531
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,339
It seems kind of contemporary to me. I understand what you

532
00:33:30,339 --> 00:33:34,000
're saying about maybe trying to make it look like Morrison

533
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:42,900
's corn kits, but it seems very modern and kind of stuck up

534
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:44,000
there.

535
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,359
And so I wonder if there could be more exploration of a

536
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:50,000
design for that.

537
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:55,009
Well, I totally knew that question was going to come up.

538
00:33:55,009 --> 00:33:58,259
That's something the designer and I have been going through

539
00:33:58,259 --> 00:34:01,460
with that with that construction the framework behind that

540
00:34:01,460 --> 00:34:02,000
sign.

541
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,779
Right. The ideal is to put it up there like the Morrison

542
00:34:05,779 --> 00:34:09,269
born kids or like the old Hollywood signs with minimal

543
00:34:09,269 --> 00:34:10,000
framework.

544
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,369
That was kind of an idea of like maybe making it a little

545
00:34:14,369 --> 00:34:18,000
contemporary and retro at the same time.

546
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,260
I figured that idea may not fly with this work society, but

547
00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:26,000
we can definitely reduce the framework on that.

548
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,840
If you guys buy off on the signage above the building,

549
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,150
which is what we're really shooting for more than anything,

550
00:34:32,150 --> 00:34:35,670
because that framework doesn't have to be as big and like

551
00:34:35,670 --> 00:34:40,000
squared off the way it shows in our, our renderings.

552
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,539
It can be minimal, but we're really trying to buy off on

553
00:34:43,539 --> 00:34:47,269
just the signage above it to where, you know, it brings

554
00:34:47,269 --> 00:34:50,000
back a little bit more history to that.

555
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,519
We're trying to go a little contemporary plus, you know,

556
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:57,269
old school too, because everything around us is going

557
00:34:57,269 --> 00:34:58,000
contemporary.

558
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,260
I mean, all the other businesses are doing things that are

559
00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:03,000
very, very contemporary.

560
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:11,000
Modern. You know, we're trying not to shoot ourselves in

561
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:11,000
the foot at the same time, a little step out of bounds if

562
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:11,000
we can.

563
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,869
So yes, that can be that can definitely be the fonts can be

564
00:35:14,869 --> 00:35:17,000
changed and all that stuff.

565
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,099
We were going block lettering because just that's the way,

566
00:35:21,099 --> 00:35:25,000
you know, our current style is within the business.

567
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,309
I wonder if it would look less sort of just stuck up there

568
00:35:30,309 --> 00:35:34,000
if it was the width of the building.

569
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,320
It looks like it's not far off from being the full width of

570
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,000
the building now.

571
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,000
I don't have any I don't have a solution in mind.

572
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:48,000
I just I just think that it it's not quite there yet.

573
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,150
Yeah, it's I think the measurements on that I was looking

574
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:53,000
at earlier.

575
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000
I was 17, Brandon, 17 foot wide.

576
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:02,000
The building's only 21, 23 feet wide.

577
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,000
So there's several versions of that.

578
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,000
There's not a lot of play left in the width of your right.

579
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,159
And that was based on, you know, saving costs and getting

580
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:18,329
lettering that's already prefabricated and the size and

581
00:36:18,329 --> 00:36:22,000
keeping it within structural.

582
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,780
I'll say I really like the idea of mimicking the Morrison's

583
00:36:25,780 --> 00:36:27,000
corn kit sign.

584
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,000
And I've actually got a picture pulled up of it right now.

585
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,800
And the big difference between it, because I felt the same

586
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,030
way as Helen that was off was the framework, the size, the

587
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:38,000
boldness of the framework behind it.

588
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,429
However, we can't approve this sign that has to go with the

589
00:36:42,429 --> 00:36:44,000
same ordinance.

590
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,000
We can only approve the architecture of the building.

591
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,000
Right. Right.

592
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,710
But I definitely agree. And looking at the Morrison's corn

593
00:36:53,710 --> 00:36:57,559
kit sign even next to this and reimagining the loophole

594
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,460
sign with the theme moved over and making a little more

595
00:37:00,460 --> 00:37:04,000
straight and all of I like the big block lettering.

596
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,289
But as a lighter framework, I think would still give you

597
00:37:06,289 --> 00:37:07,000
that height.

598
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,000
But without that heavy kind of grid, absolutely.

599
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,340
I agree. I see your point of the contemporaneous of that

600
00:37:14,340 --> 00:37:16,000
grid that's on the rendering.

601
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,030
Yeah, that's something we just put into place for the time

602
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:22,000
being, just kind of put it up there. Right. I understand.

603
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,099
We've had many discussions about that, like lessening what

604
00:37:26,099 --> 00:37:29,000
we were kind of shooting for that question to come out.

605
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,000
Yeah. So that we could see.

606
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,130
Really, I really personally support the idea of going up

607
00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:39,000
with that sign to add that height to your building.

608
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,260
And I think that gives you a lot of the more modern feel

609
00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:45,900
that you're looking for in general, especially doing the

610
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:51,289
all black facade gives you more as oddly as it is, it hark

611
00:37:51,289 --> 00:37:53,000
ens back to that 1940s store.

612
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,000
But it also is very modern.

613
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,000
Are there any more questions?

614
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,000
Absolutely.

615
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,480
And I'm with the legal department. I'm not a decision maker

616
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,000
here.

617
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,670
I just want to preface that. But the folding doors that you

618
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:15,000
were showing there, it appears that they may protrude out

619
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,000
and partially obstruct the public sidewalk.

620
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,170
Is that part of the public property or is that part of your

621
00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:27,000
lot that belongs to the applicant?

622
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:32,170
Because if it does go out of the sidewalk, the commission's

623
00:38:32,170 --> 00:38:36,789
approval wouldn't be granting an easement or anything of

624
00:38:36,789 --> 00:38:39,000
that nature or property right there.

625
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,000
There's something within an architectural style.

626
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,010
But I thought it might help to clarify. Is that actually

627
00:38:46,010 --> 00:38:49,510
extending into the sidewalk itself or is that part of your

628
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:50,000
lot?

629
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,840
It would in this current design. Yes, it would be on the

630
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,630
sidewalk, like people put chairs and tables the same way

631
00:38:57,630 --> 00:39:00,000
that you can put chairs and tables in front of it.

632
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,610
So it's kind of like that gray area with the usable space

633
00:39:02,610 --> 00:39:04,000
in front of the building.

634
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,650
But we could always like those doors and those that front

635
00:39:07,650 --> 00:39:11,510
facade and the windows is going to totally depend on, you

636
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:14,539
know, if the city buys off on this idea to where when we

637
00:39:14,539 --> 00:39:17,369
get the bids, where that window, what kind of windows and

638
00:39:17,369 --> 00:39:19,000
doors, those are going to actually be.

639
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,039
They could be roll up windows. They could be something

640
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:24,630
completely different for easement purposes and stuff like

641
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:27,260
that, because we will when we open it all up, we're going

642
00:39:27,260 --> 00:39:30,000
to put chairs and tables in front just like everybody else.

643
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,000
So we're going to take up that space.

644
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,110
The consideration of this facade would not grant permission

645
00:39:37,110 --> 00:39:42,000
on behalf of the city per se to extend onto the sidewalk.

646
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,179
That kind of permission may have to come from another board

647
00:39:45,179 --> 00:39:47,000
or council or some other body.

648
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Yes, that's actually a really good point.

649
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000
I didn't think about that.

650
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,329
I'm sure that Cliff will come up with something that can

651
00:39:54,329 --> 00:39:56,000
not MPs on the sidewalk.

652
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,000
So it doesn't set a precedence.

653
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,000
You can get accordion doors that have the pivot point.

654
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Right where they're like they fold inside.

655
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Yeah, we can.

656
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,000
I mean, that's just that's semantics.

657
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,000
I guess there are solutions for sure.

658
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,000
This guy knows all of them. Trust me.

659
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,000
Anything else?

660
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,000
Daniel looks good.

661
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,000
It's a great concept.

662
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000
I love it.

663
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,000
I do too, actually.

664
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000
Trying to keep up with the town.

665
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,000
What do you think about this?

666
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000
It seems like you've been here longer than any of us.

667
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,000
You like what we're doing?

668
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,000
That's not an insult.

669
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:42,000
I'm asking for your wisdom.

670
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,000
I don't know about yours.

671
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,000
I like the idea of exposing the brick.

672
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,000
I like the idea of the floor.

673
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,000
I like the vertical sign.

674
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,000
I like interior exposure, which you're talking about.

675
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:07,000
I see your idea on the folding doors.

676
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,000
That may be a problem.

677
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:19,000
Not my group, but some other people.

678
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,000
I like your idea.

679
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000
I support it.

680
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000
Thanks, John.

681
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,820
I heard you were concerned before we were talking about the

682
00:41:27,820 --> 00:41:31,000
sign.

683
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,000
I'm not concerned about that anymore.

684
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:40,000
I'm not because I don't have any authority.

685
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,000
That's the citizen I'm not concerned about.

686
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000
It's okay.

687
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,000
I don't have any problems.

688
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Man, I appreciate you.

689
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000
I really do.

690
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,010
A lot of times when we go to meetings, there's always a

691
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:58,349
question that we don't answer thoroughly, and we have to go

692
00:41:58,349 --> 00:41:59,000
back.

693
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,170
I just want to make sure I cover the basics, but I

694
00:42:01,170 --> 00:42:03,000
appreciate you telling us exactly what it is.

695
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,000
All the concerns you have about the sign, about the doors,

696
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,000
believe me, we've been up for how many hours?

697
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Nights sometimes talking about this.

698
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,920
We just wanted something to present, to get a feel, so we

699
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,000
can proceed or go forward.

700
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,000
If you like it, then we want to run with it.

701
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,000
We want to do it as soon as the city allows.

702
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,030
Of course, we're going to work to keep the history of Dent

703
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:26,000
on down there.

704
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,000
There's so many people that forget it.

705
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,000
It's like they come to Denton.

706
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,000
It's like it's a college town.

707
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,000
No.

708
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,179
You know, Bonnie and Clyde came here, and that little place

709
00:42:36,179 --> 00:42:39,000
where I live, they robbed that bank twice.

710
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,000
So it's just -- it's what people talk about.

711
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,500
So when they come here, we want to say, hey, you've been to

712
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:46,000
Denton?

713
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,030
And they say, oh, you mean that place that has the loophole

714
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:50,000
, the old place?

715
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,440
So we want to bring some life here, you know, or keep life

716
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,000
here.

717
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,000
That's our goal, make it look good.

718
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,050
And if you all work with us on it, hey, we're going to do

719
00:43:00,050 --> 00:43:03,250
everything we can to do what we say we're going to do and

720
00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:05,000
fix the door problems.

721
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,000
We talked about those front glass doors also.

722
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,190
Originally, the concept was more or less like LSA, where it

723
00:43:12,190 --> 00:43:13,000
was just --

724
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,000
The open.

725
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,550
It's open because that's -- our attention was that open

726
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:19,980
patio, and we have the interior locks doors, and that's all

727
00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:22,000
secure and weatherproof.

728
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,000
So that's a possibility.

729
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,110
Cliff brought up a really good point with those doors,

730
00:43:28,110 --> 00:43:30,619
those hinged or whatever metal collapsing doors are very

731
00:43:30,619 --> 00:43:31,000
dangerous.

732
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,840
People lose their fingers and stuff, closing those things

733
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,000
and stuff like that.

734
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,480
And so we were going for something a little more secure and

735
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,849
then, like I said, having three different options, weather

736
00:43:40,849 --> 00:43:42,000
dependent.

737
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,030
And finding the right touch for those front doors and

738
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:48,199
windows is obviously going to be one of the biggest, you

739
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:50,000
know, things we have to conquer,

740
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,250
because that is going to be the major thing that everybody

741
00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:55,000
's going to see year round.

742
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,449
So we don't want it to look like a bunch of jailhouse bars

743
00:43:59,449 --> 00:44:02,000
and stuff like that either.

744
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:09,510
We want it to look nice and still periodic to the timeframe

745
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:10,000
.

746
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,000
Helen, anything?

747
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,000
If there are no other questions.

748
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,630
I would like to add that I think you should bring back the

749
00:44:19,630 --> 00:44:21,000
legal puns on your menu.

750
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,000
Legal puns?

751
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000
Yes.

752
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000
They had a bunch of lawyer puns on their menu.

753
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,000
They were hilarious.

754
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,000
They were great.

755
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,000
The jail break burger and all that stuff.

756
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,869
The chef is sitting right behind you, so we're working on

757
00:44:39,869 --> 00:44:41,000
the new menu.

758
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,739
This is going to actually -- everything is going to trickle

759
00:44:43,739 --> 00:44:46,000
down through the menu and everything else.

760
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:51,000
Is that some clear glass in those windows or what?

761
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,000
Well, right now we have it designed as clear.

762
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,000
Right.

763
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,000
So you can see through all the way.

764
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,000
Safety and all that other stuff.

765
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,000
Oh, absolutely.

766
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Yeah, tempered glass.

767
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,000
Yeah, no harm.

768
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,929
I want to say I really appreciate the way that you looked

769
00:45:06,929 --> 00:45:11,000
at the past and married it with the present,

770
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,000
because we're not trying to recreate Disney World here.

771
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,000
This is not the 1940s on repeat.

772
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,000
I really like that you have taken a modern approach

773
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,000
utilizing the historic fabric of what's in that building

774
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:33,360
and your openness to looking at the considerable materials

775
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,000
that are currently there.

776
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,320
I really -- I just want to say I appreciate your efforts in

777
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,000
that manner.

778
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,000
That is hard to do.

779
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Thanks, Alyssa.

780
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,699
I think Brandon and Taylor over there are designers, and

781
00:45:45,699 --> 00:45:49,000
Lynn in front of him is the most responsible

782
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,210
for really taking all of the old and the current and

783
00:45:52,210 --> 00:45:54,000
putting it all together.

784
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Yeah.

785
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,030
I think that this would be a really easy facade to look at

786
00:45:58,030 --> 00:46:01,000
and somebody to go, whoa, that's not historic at all.

787
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,300
But when you look back at the older pictures in the Colleg

788
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:07,000
iate Store and Le Mode and the others,

789
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,360
and you look at the reinvigoration of the brick and re

790
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,000
introducing it in a new way,

791
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,519
and the tile and reintroducing it in a new way, it's very

792
00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:21,000
creative, and you've done a really nice job here.

793
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,000
Thank you very much.

794
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,000
We appreciate it.

795
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,000
We need to stand out.

796
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,110
We've been in business now 22 years as a loophole and LNP

797
00:46:28,110 --> 00:46:29,000
before that.

798
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,000
Yeah.

799
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,000
A lot of things have changed and gone out.

800
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Everything's changing.

801
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000
We've got to be new and different.

802
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000
Great.

803
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,000
Thank you.

804
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,800
Well, if we have no other questions, we're free to sit down

805
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:43,000
.

806
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,510
Hey, I want to thank you all for letting us talk to you

807
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:47,000
about what we like to do here in Denton.

808
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,000
We appreciate your time.

809
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,000
We know everybody's got a family life.

810
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,000
So thank you again.

811
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,000
Absolutely.

812
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,000
Thank you.

813
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,190
Roman, thank you again for the presentation and all the

814
00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:56,000
hard work that you went into researching.

815
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,000
Appreciate it.

816
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,000
Appreciate you all.

817
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,000
Thank you very much.

818
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,599
Is there anybody else from the public who would like to

819
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:05,000
speak about this?

820
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,000
No?

821
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,000
Okay.

822
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Then we'll go ahead and close the public portion of this.

823
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,000
I have a comment.

824
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,000
Oh, you have a comment?

825
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,000
Just real quick.

826
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,000
Go for it.

827
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,139
Just for clarification, if Roman, can you clarify the

828
00:47:16,139 --> 00:47:17,000
condition?

829
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,519
There is a recommendation that's in the staff report that's

830
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:22,000
not on the slide there.

831
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:27,280
Was that intended or did you want to include the condition

832
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,000
that's in the staff report as well?

833
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,000
That was it.

834
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,000
I don't remember what I've got there.

835
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,000
What is it?

836
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,559
It says that if it is discovered during the demolition

837
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:41,269
phase that the original facade material may be permanently

838
00:47:41,269 --> 00:47:45,000
exposed and is worthy of such that they remain exposed.

839
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,000
Is that?

840
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,670
I think that's probably more appropriately written there

841
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:52,000
than here, whichever one works.

842
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,000
I think it's kind of the same.

843
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,000
Final determination to be made by HPO.

844
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,000
Okay.

845
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,000
Respect to the viability.

846
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,030
I think there could be, sometimes, for example, with your,

847
00:48:01,030 --> 00:48:03,849
you might expose some brick and you might have a mason come

848
00:48:03,849 --> 00:48:06,699
out and he's going to say, oh, I can't, you could repoint

849
00:48:06,699 --> 00:48:10,349
that, but it's going to fall out anyway or the brick's too

850
00:48:10,349 --> 00:48:13,000
decayed and somebody has to make that call.

851
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,000
And personally, I'd like to be trusted with that.

852
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,519
And I mean, I'm not going to be, make that decision just on

853
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:21,000
my own.

854
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,489
But generally, the brick I've seen here in Denton is

855
00:48:23,489 --> 00:48:25,000
usually really hard brick.

856
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,929
Down near the border, we have a lot of brick that's, it

857
00:48:28,929 --> 00:48:33,000
just falls apart, a lot of the sand and just opens up.

858
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,000
You don't see it so much here.

859
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,530
But it's just a question of whether you end up in, or if

860
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:39,010
the terrazzo floor looks just like it's got a bunch of

861
00:48:39,010 --> 00:48:41,590
concrete stuck to it and doesn't look like it's going to

862
00:48:41,590 --> 00:48:44,360
make it, but we've all, you know, we've seen that you can

863
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,000
resurface those things.

864
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,000
Although on the other hand, it may be terribly destroyed.

865
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,929
I don't know if they drove, you know, nails into it every

866
00:48:53,929 --> 00:48:56,000
four inches or something.

867
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,000
Until you get in there, you're not going to know.

868
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:04,000
So it's up to you all how you want to word it.

869
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,000
I'm sure it's completely up to you.

870
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,000
Those are the things.

871
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,219
And I didn't realize I had gotten those differently as I

872
00:49:11,219 --> 00:49:13,000
was putting this together.

873
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,000
Just a little different.

874
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,559
I just want to make sure that the commission was clear on

875
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:18,000
staff's recommendation.

876
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Okay.

877
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,260
Both are asking that we, that if we find original material

878
00:49:23,260 --> 00:49:25,000
that we leave it there.

879
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,679
But I think we've discussed that the only thing that it may

880
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:31,000
be that it's not going to happen.

881
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,000
You may not be able to access that brick very well.

882
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,340
And so it's going to be a question until you get into the

883
00:49:36,340 --> 00:49:37,000
building.

884
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,000
You really can't tell.

885
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,000
Right.

886
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:51,510
Questions, comments, any other clarification that needs to

887
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:53,000
happen?

888
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,000
You ready for a motion?

889
00:49:55,000 --> 00:50:00,380
I move we approve HLC 18-012 subject to the following

890
00:50:00,380 --> 00:50:05,280
condition that the original brickwork and floor work, if

891
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:11,000
possible, be restored and retained as subject to approval

892
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:16,000
by our historic preservation officer.

893
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,000
I second.

894
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:23,590
Do we have any commentary while we have an open motion on

895
00:50:23,590 --> 00:50:25,000
the floor?

896
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,000
No questions.

897
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,000
Good.

898
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,000
All right.

899
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,000
Let's go ahead and take a vote.

900
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,000
All those in favor say aye.

901
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,000
Aye.

902
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,000
All those opposed say nay.

903
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,000
Right.

904
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,000
It passes unanimously.

905
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,000
The motion is approved.

906
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,000
Good job, y'all.

907
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:47,000
I hope that's what you were hoping for.

908
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,000
We really look forward to seeing what you do there.

909
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:59,000
So I'm crossing our fingers for terrazzo in good shape.

910
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,000
Yes, we'll make you proud.

911
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,000
Good.

912
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,000
I love it.

913
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,000
I have to look at it every day when I walk outside.

914
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,000
So make me proud.

915
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:18,000
I'm excited.

916
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,000
One more item.

917
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:32,000
I'm just going to wait for it to quiet down really quickly.

918
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,000
Thank you.

919
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,000
Thank you so much.

920
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:42,000
I'm glad you're here.

921
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:50,000
I'm glad you're here.

922
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,000
Thank you.

923
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,000
Thank you.

924
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:05,000
Thank you.

925
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,000
All right.

926
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,000
Okay.

927
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,000
Let's wrap this thing up.

928
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,000
We've got one more item to go through.

929
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,000
The historic landmark commission project matrix.

930
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,000
Roman.

931
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,000
Are there any items that need to be added, updated?

932
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,000
I haven't proposed any changes to this.

933
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,000
If y'all have anything you want to add to it.

934
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,000
I'm not sure if it's been, it's not been having it really

935
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:26,000
addressed it since the last meeting.

936
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Okay.

937
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,000
I do have one quick question.

938
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,000
The local designation of downtown.

939
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,000
Okay.

940
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000
Has the PNZ presentation happened?

941
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,000
Yes.

942
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,400
That those, that whatever we're calling, I don't think we

943
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,000
've really defined it, but a design district.

944
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,000
Sure.

945
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,000
For lack of a better word.

946
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,199
That was actually presented at a work session to city

947
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:46,000
council.

948
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,000
Okay.

949
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:52,250
And that is the ordinance for that is that being prepared

950
00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:53,000
now.

951
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,000
Excellent.

952
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,780
And when it's after that, there will be an opportunity for

953
00:52:57,780 --> 00:53:00,769
public input again, kind of in the community, community

954
00:53:00,769 --> 00:53:03,340
meeting type of it before what comes back to landmark

955
00:53:03,340 --> 00:53:04,000
commission.

956
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,000
Then to PNZ and then to city council again.

957
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Okay.

958
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,000
So when are, what is the timeline for that?

959
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,000
What are we looking at?

960
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,599
I'm not exactly sure that I know the ordinance is being

961
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:18,510
drafted by Sean in the office and we'll be discussing that

962
00:53:18,510 --> 00:53:20,000
actually tomorrow.

963
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,440
So I would imagine within the next month, we'll be holding

964
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,000
another community meeting of some type.

965
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,800
And then I don't know if we'll make that full circuit to

966
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,000
the downtown task force and the main street board again.

967
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,980
I'm not sure if she's really where we'll, it may not be

968
00:53:33,980 --> 00:53:36,000
that little Ron seconds.

969
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:41,000
Maybe it'll just be a community meeting and then here and

970
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:41,000
yeah.

971
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,000
So that quick there.

972
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,000
The that's that's where we are with that.

973
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,000
Awesome.

974
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,000
Thank you so much.

975
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,000
Yeah.

976
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,000
Okay.

977
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,000
Anything else?

978
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,000
We're good.

979
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,000
Add subtract.

980
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Great.

981
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,019
If there's no other business, then the regular meeting is

982
00:54:02,019 --> 00:54:05,000
adjourned at 630 PN.

983
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,000
Thank you.

984
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,000
Thank you all.

985
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,000
Thank you all very much.

986
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:21,000
Thank you.