WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.000 6, 11, PM. 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:09.000 Let's go ahead and stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:11.689 And Kenneth, would you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance 00:00:11.689 --> 00:00:12.000 tonight? 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:16.620 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 00:00:16.620 --> 00:00:17.000 America 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:20.000 and to the republic for which it stands, 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:25.800 one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:27.000 justice for all. 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:33.000 Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:37.000 one state, under God, one and indivisible. 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:45.000 Alright, so we have two items for consideration tonight. 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:49.659 The first is A, consider approval of the Historic Landmark 00:00:49.659 --> 00:00:53.000 Commission meeting minutes from April 9, 2018. 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:56.000 Did everybody get a chance to look over those? 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.000 Great. Can I get a motion? 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.000 I move we approve the minutes as offered. 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:04.000 Excellent. Thank you, Roy. 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:05.000 I second. 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:07.000 Thank you for that second, Helen. 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:09.000 All those in favor say aye. 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:10.000 Aye. 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:12.000 All those opposed say nay. 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:15.000 Alright, the motion is approved. 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:20.000 For those minutes. 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:23.379 And let's move on to B, consider making a recommendation to 00:01:23.379 --> 00:01:25.000 the Planning and Zoning Commission 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:28.000 regarding an application for Historic Landmark designation 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:31.000 for the property located at 607 East College Street 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:34.000 between Vine Street and Frame Street. 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:38.000 And Roman has a presentation for us. 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:40.000 Thank you, Roman. 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:42.000 Thank you. 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:45.000 Thank you, Chair and everybody for being here this evening. 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:48.569 And I apologize for not sending out a notice, a reminder 00:01:48.569 --> 00:01:50.000 notice, but I'll do that next time. 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:53.700 I just told Dr. Helen I think I'll just have a list on my 00:01:53.700 --> 00:01:57.000 cell in the morning I'll send out a reminder. 00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:58.000 Remind one or what? 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:02.609 So this is a really nice opportunity to landmark 607 East 00:02:02.609 --> 00:02:04.000 College Street. 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:06.000 The owners of the property are here tonight. 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:10.349 And I've prepared for you a few slides that are a summary 00:02:10.349 --> 00:02:17.000 of what you would have, what you'd have in your packets. 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:20.780 And just as a reminder, it's 607 East College Street in 00:02:20.780 --> 00:02:23.000 Denton, Texas, 76209. 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:26.000 And there's the legal description. 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:30.819 And it's a single family residence located near Texas Women 00:02:30.819 --> 00:02:34.000 's University just on the east side. 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:38.080 This home appears to have been built somewhere in the early 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:39.000 20s. 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:41.699 You'll see going forward in these slides how we couldn't 00:02:41.699 --> 00:02:43.000 exactly pinpoint it. 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:47.000 We couldn't find a mechanics lien for it. 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:52.069 And I actually suspect that it could have been built by May 00:02:52.069 --> 00:02:58.000 and Henry Stevens or by J.H. and Mary Pearl Boyd. 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:00.000 And it's built in the craftsman style. 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:02.000 You'll see pictures of that. 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:05.460 Now, it's important to note here at item number two that 00:03:05.460 --> 00:03:11.000 this small area was recognized in the 1996 Denton Historic 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:12.000 Resource Survey 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:15.300 as an area that was important, but it had lost a lot of 00:03:15.300 --> 00:03:17.180 integrity and it seemed to have been developed at a 00:03:17.180 --> 00:03:18.000 different time, 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.000 according to that survey. 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:24.000 So they didn't recommend landmarking it. 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:27.120 The home has been in the same family, was in the same 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:30.000 family for 74 years, the Boyd family. 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:34.349 Now, in researching this, we thought the home belonged to 00:03:34.349 --> 00:03:37.000 the same family that Conti's house. 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:39.520 And it turns out that's not, that doesn't appear to be the 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:40.000 case. 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.990 Here's a little history of the ownership of the property 00:03:43.990 --> 00:03:49.000 and the number six and seven I deduced from this document, 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:53.129 which talks about the conveyance of the land earlier to C.C 00:03:53.129 --> 00:04:01.849 . Bell from John Henry in 1869, then to C.C. Bell by John 00:04:01.849 --> 00:04:03.000 Henry. 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:08.439 At the time, in 1917 or so is when the subdivision was made 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:13.000 , the plat was made and the streets were allocated. 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:17.000 Then there's this interesting document. 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.000 This gets to when was it built? 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.660 And this is a loan, something filed in relationship to the 00:04:22.660 --> 00:04:24.000 loan on the property. 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:29.189 And in this document, which talks about payments and what 00:04:29.189 --> 00:04:33.639 have you, you have here that there's some there's some co 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:34.000 venants, 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.399 or not covenants, but some requirements for this doc for 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:37.000 this loan. 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:40.870 And one of them is that that the building shall be insured 00:04:40.870 --> 00:04:44.000 or buildings to be built shall be insured. 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.220 So I'm thinking that the loan that was taken out could have 00:04:47.220 --> 00:04:49.000 been to construct the home. 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:51.000 And that's what those things are about. 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:56.990 And then the 1925 after the Boyds take ownership, you have 00:04:56.990 --> 00:05:00.550 the city working with Jago to build the sidewalks in the 00:05:00.550 --> 00:05:01.000 area. 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:06.269 And this is referencing one hundred and ninety five dollars 00:05:06.269 --> 00:05:09.759 and fifty one cents, I believe, to be paid by the owners of 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:11.000 Boyds at the time. 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:15.810 And they created a lien on the property till they paid that 00:05:15.810 --> 00:05:16.000 . 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.939 So in the ninety six historic resource survey, it was the 00:05:19.939 --> 00:05:23.000 1915 was put down as a bill date. 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:27.149 I don't know how that could have come about, but there you 00:05:27.149 --> 00:05:28.000 have it. 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:30.000 And it was a medium priority house at the time. 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.759 And perhaps the medium priority comes from the fact that 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:37.800 when you look at it in that ninety six image with the kind 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:42.000 of the faux wrought iron columns that were there, 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:46.000 you know, maybe didn't have so much of originality in it. 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:51.000 There's the the Sanborn maps from 1926. 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.000 And here's the property in the upper left. 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.000 So we know it was there then. 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:58.170 There's nothing before this area of town didn't have San 00:05:58.170 --> 00:06:00.000 born maps until twenty six. 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:02.740 And then between twenty six and forty nine, you know, they 00:06:02.740 --> 00:06:04.000 just augment the maps. 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:07.029 And so you see the structure end up the next door corner 00:06:07.029 --> 00:06:10.000 property ends up and as well as the map fills in. 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:14.620 So if you see all the blanks before and up to forty nine 00:06:14.620 --> 00:06:17.000 filled in a little more. 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:19.000 So we know the house has a lot of integrity. 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:21.860 This is kind of a combination of things that make this 00:06:21.860 --> 00:06:23.000 house important. 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:26.519 And so here's a long series of articles starting around 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:31.000 1930 and this page for women in the Denton record Chronicle 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:31.000 . 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:37.279 And it refers to the Tress Modern Bridge Club meeting at 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:39.000 this house. 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:43.000 And I'm just going to go through these rather quickly. 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:49.579 In 1930, we have reference to Mr. Boyd being elected to the 00:06:49.579 --> 00:06:54.000 Masonic Lodge position there with the Masonic Lodge. 00:06:54.000 --> 00:07:02.000 And here we have. 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:06.439 Yeah. So here in 1930, we have guests at the house, right. 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:09.000 The 13 Bridge Club guests there. 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:12.050 Now, I could not figure out what J.H. Boyd did in the 00:07:12.050 --> 00:07:14.000 research we've done thus far. 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.689 But I hope by designating the property and in the future, 00:07:16.689 --> 00:07:19.000 we'll keep an eye out and try to figure it out. 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:25.000 We do know is that he did declare bankruptcy in 1930. 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:32.370 We also saw that he was served a salad. He was served a 00:07:32.370 --> 00:07:36.000 salad. I'm sorry. Yeah. Go back one slide. 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:41.000 The hostess served a salad and ice. 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:47.110 Ice. I love it. So there's a bankruptcy in September 30. So 00:07:47.110 --> 00:07:49.800 , you know, somewhere around the time the stock market 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:51.000 crashed. 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:55.000 Makes sense. Maybe it was too much bridge. 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.000 He lost a couple of times. 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:02.310 And taking taking the articles a little out of order, you 00:08:02.310 --> 00:08:06.000 have this piece to kind of think a little bit about J.H. 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:07.000 Boyd. 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:10.259 And he had he was from New York, apparently, and he had two 00:08:10.259 --> 00:08:12.000 brothers, one. 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:16.810 This is in 55. So we've jumped forward 25 years. But one 00:08:16.810 --> 00:08:20.800 brother was a reverend in Syracuse and the other brother 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:23.000 was in Geneva, New York. 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:26.000 So we know that. But now we're going back a little bit. 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:29.860 Here's a book club reference to the secretary of the book 00:08:29.860 --> 00:08:32.000 club was Mrs. J.H. Boyd. 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:35.000 And they were meeting at the house. 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.340 And here are a couple more things. November 37. This is 00:08:39.340 --> 00:08:43.379 about a quarter of the articles that were written about the 00:08:43.379 --> 00:08:46.000 family that are in the Denton record Chronicle. 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:49.799 So here it's going back to the question. Also, we were told 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:52.159 whoever built the house built it for their daughters who 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:53.000 were in school. 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:55.679 But what's evident from here is they built it for 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:59.000 themselves and that the the daughters would go to school. 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:03.549 So in November 37, the daughters were in town from their 00:09:03.549 --> 00:09:08.580 respective schools. And in December 37, Jane and Eleanor 00:09:08.580 --> 00:09:12.000 Boyd of Dallas are guests at their parents house. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:15.000 So they both were in Dallas. 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:21.570 Now, here, Jane is in New York, is in is in Dallas. Doesn't 00:09:21.570 --> 00:09:24.000 mention where where Eleanor is. 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.419 Right. But this also tells you a lot of things. One that Mr 00:09:27.419 --> 00:09:30.000 . J.H. Boyd was ill. 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:34.159 And and then the Mrs. McAdams is Mrs. Boyd's maiden name, 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:35.000 McAdams. 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:39.440 What I think is interesting here, too, is that Jane Boyd 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:43.000 was living at 5004 Worth Street. 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:47.000 And here's 5004 Worth Street in Dallas. 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:49.940 And it's it looks like an apartment building because I zoom 00:09:49.940 --> 00:09:52.639 ed in on a satellite image in the back part of this is all 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:53.000 paved. 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:55.899 And the double front door makes me think that she was 00:09:55.899 --> 00:09:58.000 possibly had a residence there. 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:02.100 So then just continuing in the prominence of the Boyds on 00:10:02.100 --> 00:10:08.000 the left, there's two brother organizations that that J.H. 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:08.000 Boyd was in. 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:12.000 He was a commander here, the Denton commander, number 45, 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:17.179 with the temple of all Sir Knights and then the number 60 00:10:17.179 --> 00:10:21.000 and the R.A.M. group, whoever that is. 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:25.000 And so 1947 that right. I read that right. 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:28.000 I already have numbers in 47. 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:31.929 An interesting thing here is that if you go to the upper 00:10:31.929 --> 00:10:35.399 left there, Jane Boyd left today for Washington and points 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:38.360 in the east and she will visit her sister, Eleanor Boyd, 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:41.700 who is a member of the George Washington University faculty 00:10:41.700 --> 00:10:42.000 . 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:49.350 And then down below that, just a year later, she was a dean 00:10:49.350 --> 00:10:55.000 of women at Texas at West Texas State College. 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:57.000 And politics doesn't get left out. 00:10:57.000 --> 00:11:02.179 This is a Republican precinct chair meeting was held in in 00:11:02.179 --> 00:11:04.000 607 Boyd. 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:07.500 So you see the house has an interesting history and has in 00:11:07.500 --> 00:11:11.019 your package, you were seeing a lot more pictures of the 00:11:11.019 --> 00:11:12.000 property. 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:15.700 I don't think I have more pictures of it, but it's it's it 00:11:15.700 --> 00:11:19.649 's been been worked on extensively by the family and updated 00:11:19.649 --> 00:11:20.000 . 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:23.679 And we're recommending that it were suggesting that it 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:25.000 meets criteria. 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:28.000 It's number one, twelve and thirteen from our criteria. 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:30.000 It only needs to meet one. 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:32.399 One is character, interest or value as part of the 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:35.179 development heritage or cultural characteristics of the 00:11:35.179 --> 00:11:37.000 city, state or the United States. 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:39.889 In this case, the home retains much of its original 00:11:39.889 --> 00:11:43.299 character defining features such as the south facing front 00:11:43.299 --> 00:11:46.340 porch and most of the original siding and the original 00:11:46.340 --> 00:11:47.000 windows. 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:50.059 And number twelve is a building or structure that because 00:11:50.059 --> 00:11:52.820 of its location has become a value to a neighborhood 00:11:52.820 --> 00:11:54.000 community area city. 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.509 And the home is located in a block that retains a 00:11:56.509 --> 00:12:01.000 significant number of homes retaining historical integrity. 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:04.070 And the southeast side of Texas Women's University campus 00:12:04.070 --> 00:12:07.009 is referenced in the 96 historic resource survey as 00:12:07.009 --> 00:12:08.000 significant. 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:10.059 And number thirteen, a value as an aspect of community 00:12:10.059 --> 00:12:11.000 sentiment or pride. 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.850 In this case, the current owners have sensitively rehabil 00:12:13.850 --> 00:12:17.480 itated this home, retaining character, defining features 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:21.000 while updating it for generations to come. 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:23.940 The home was recently featured as historic property of the 00:12:23.940 --> 00:12:26.350 month in Denton and the owners participated in a 00:12:26.350 --> 00:12:28.000 preservation Denton video. 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:31.000 So you can actually see more of the house in the video. 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:35.940 And the quality of the restoration work has been very good 00:12:35.940 --> 00:12:41.059 and it's been, we recommend approval for land marking this 00:12:41.059 --> 00:12:42.000 house. 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:46.000 Do we have any questions for Roman? 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:47.000 This is a beautiful home. 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:55.000 This is a great presentation Roman. 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:56.000 Any questions? 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.000 And the owners of course are here too. 00:12:58.000 --> 00:12:59.000 Right. 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:03.000 Can we open this up and speak to the owners? 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:04.000 Cool. 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:06.000 Come on up guys. 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:10.000 If you would like to. 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:12.000 Do you want us to come up? 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:13.000 Would you mind? 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:15.000 Sure. 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.000 I'll ask you one very simple question. 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.000 I promise. 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:25.000 I'll put it back to at least a picture of the house here. 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.000 Right there. 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:28.000 All right. 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:30.820 And then if you'll get right behind that microphone so that 00:13:30.820 --> 00:13:32.000 we can record this. 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:33.000 Okay. 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:35.000 State your name and your address. 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:37.629 My name is Liz Spoonce and I live at 607 East College 00:13:37.629 --> 00:13:39.000 Street in Denton, Texas. 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.000 Excellent. 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:44.620 And then why did you choose, why is it you're wanting a 00:13:44.620 --> 00:13:50.000 historic landmark designation? 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:53.559 A lot of these homes in this neighborhood are being demol 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:59.210 ished and I think there for a number of years the homes in 00:13:59.210 --> 00:14:03.440 this neighborhood were part of a designated expansion area 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:04.000 by TWU. 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:08.809 And so owners in this particular area felt like as soon as 00:14:08.809 --> 00:14:13.120 the properties were going to be sold they were kind of 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:18.860 destined to go to TWU because they didn't feel like they 00:14:18.860 --> 00:14:25.000 were going to be taken over to expand the university. 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:29.000 I think the university now has changed its focus. 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:35.000 It's now moving its direction onto the golf course. 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:39.809 And we bought the house because I love old homes that have 00:14:39.809 --> 00:14:44.429 history to them and of course I work at TWU so it's a hop, 00:14:44.429 --> 00:14:48.000 skip, and a jump for me to get to work. 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:53.549 But our goal is to try to show people in the community that 00:14:53.549 --> 00:14:58.860 these homes have value and they do take some extensive 00:14:58.860 --> 00:15:03.919 renovations but once you restore them they're just 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:10.509 something that you don't see every day and it's sad to me 00:15:10.509 --> 00:15:13.000 that there are not that many left. 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:17.590 There are still quite a few between College Street and what 00:15:17.590 --> 00:15:21.000 's the street down by Texas and -- 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:22.000 Austin. 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:23.000 Frame Street. 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:26.429 Frame Street and all in that area and there are still some 00:15:26.429 --> 00:15:29.799 really good homes that could be restored and make a nice 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:31.000 neighborhood. 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:35.840 And we -- since the revitalization of downtown, you know, 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:40.610 you're seeing a lot of people who really are valuing living 00:15:40.610 --> 00:15:45.090 close to the square, valuing older homes and historic 00:15:45.090 --> 00:15:49.759 properties and so I think you've seen a really strong rise 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:52.000 in the interest in these homes. 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:56.240 So, you know, we're hoping that our home kind of serves as 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:00.039 a beacon if you will that you can fix these homes up and 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:04.139 they can be really extremely livable and something that 00:16:04.139 --> 00:16:10.330 preserves the heritage of the city and the history and can 00:16:10.330 --> 00:16:14.000 be here for many, many, many more years to come. 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:17.350 And were you involved in any of the renovations to the 00:16:17.350 --> 00:16:18.000 house? 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:23.000 We actually picked everything out. 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:27.940 We tried to -- I got online and tried to research on inside 00:16:27.940 --> 00:16:33.080 the home when we did the restoration, we kept the original 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:38.029 walls and we looked for details that would be consistent 00:16:38.029 --> 00:16:41.000 with the age of the property. 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:44.000 So, in a way, yes, did I pick up a hammer? 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.000 No. 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:52.159 It would look near as nice as it does if that had been the 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:53.000 case. 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:55.309 I love that you guys did this with this house and loved 00:16:55.309 --> 00:16:56.000 this house. 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:58.299 I don't know if you all owned this house maybe five or ten 00:16:58.299 --> 00:17:00.809 years ago when we had a big meeting at Kevin Ritten's house 00:17:00.809 --> 00:17:01.000 ? 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:02.000 Yes. 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:03.000 Yes, I have. 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:04.000 Yes, we did. 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:07.000 And the points that you're bringing up are so important. 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.240 I don't know if everybody here sort of knows that history, 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:15.319 but that was at the time when TWE was actively eating up as 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.000 much of those homes as possible. 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:20.839 They were using some -- and they were beginning to gut 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:22.000 homes in between. 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.490 One of the houses was being used as a swap team classic 00:17:24.490 --> 00:17:25.000 place. 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:26.000 Sure, yeah. 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:29.519 It was on the verge and it was so important when we were 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:33.000 all talking about trying to get that stabilized. 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:36.210 This hopefully might give other of your neighbors the idea 00:17:36.210 --> 00:17:38.000 to stabilize theirs as well. 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:43.000 Well, we've had several on our street do a lot better job 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:47.700 of maintaining and then a couple who have completely 00:17:47.700 --> 00:17:50.000 restored like we did. 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:55.000 So, you know, it was important to us. 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.000 I hope it's going to be important to others as well. 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:58.000 You've done a beautiful job. 00:17:58.000 --> 00:17:59.000 Thank you. 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:00.000 It's a beautiful home. 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:01.000 Thank you. 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:04.490 Thank you so much for making the effort to do this because 00:18:04.490 --> 00:18:07.990 I know that it's not always an easy process, but this is 00:18:07.990 --> 00:18:09.000 incredible. 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:10.000 Well, we'd love to. 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.000 We'd love for you to come by sometime. 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:13.000 Yeah. 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:14.000 I would love to. 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:15.000 Yeah, you're all welcome. 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:16.000 We'll be there. 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:18.000 Yeah, it doesn't take long at all. 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.000 You're on one of my walking routes, so I might walk by. 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:25.000 It has happened before. 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:26.000 Well, knock on the door. 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:27.000 You're welcome to come in. 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:28.000 Yeah. 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:29.000 I love it. 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:30.000 Thank you. 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.000 Do we have any other questions for this booth? 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:34.000 All right. 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:35.000 Thank you so much. 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:36.000 Thank you. 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.680 I guess we're technically open to the public, but that is 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:41.000 all that is here. 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:45.809 So we're going to close the public portion of the meeting 00:18:45.809 --> 00:18:48.000 and discussion. 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:52.000 I think they did a great job. 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:55.849 This is a perfect example of restoration done well and in a 00:18:55.849 --> 00:18:58.000 very important part of the city. 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:01.000 And I really do hope that this helps to stem the tide. 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.450 It does look like TWA is looking at a different place to 00:19:03.450 --> 00:19:04.000 expand. 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:05.000 Yeah. 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.000 And that could only mean good things for this little block. 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:10.000 I agree. 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:15.000 Do we have anybody who's ready to make a motion? 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:16.000 I'll move. 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:17.000 Great. 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:18.000 To approve? 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:19.000 To approve, yes. 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:20.000 Okay. 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:21.000 I'll second. 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:22.000 Excellent. 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:23.000 Thank you. 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.000 So motion was made by Debs, seconded by Kenna. 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:29.000 All those in favor say aye. 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:30.000 Aye. 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:31.000 Aye. 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:33.000 All those opposed say nay. 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:34.000 Great. 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:35.000 The motion is passed. 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:36.000 Congratulations, May. 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:37.000 Thank you, guys. 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:38.000 This is amazing. 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:39.000 You get a beautiful plaque. 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:40.000 Yes. 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:41.000 Yes. 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:42.000 That's very happy. 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:43.000 I will tie it down. 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:44.000 Where do they put his ideas? 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:45.000 Is there a design? 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:46.000 Oh, you can put them up. 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:57.000 It doesn't need to be advertised, right? 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:04.000 We put ours on the left. 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:05.000 When's the next meeting? 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:07.000 Well, unless we're reducing the number we're advertising, 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:17.000 unless we just only advertise the same thing, in the past 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:17.000 we've standardized three units, 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:18.000 P and Z. 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:19.000 I don't know if you're doing this. 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:21.380 Well, I guess I'll just inform the applicant that this says 00:20:21.380 --> 00:20:22.000 go to P and Z. 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:23.000 Okay. 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:26.099 So it's been approved through HLC, and so next it will go 00:20:26.099 --> 00:20:28.000 before P and Z, and from there 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.000 it goes on to council, correct? 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:31.000 Correct. 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:32.000 Okay. 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:33.000 Great. 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:34.000 Thank you so much, y'all. 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:38.000 He has a pretty stand-up fella. 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:41.000 We agree. 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:45.000 We'd like to keep him around. 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:46.000 Thank you. 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:47.000 Thank you. 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:48.000 Thank you. 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:49.000 What a beautiful house. 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:50.000 Oh, gorgeous. 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:51.000 All right. 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:52.000 Let's move on. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:55.130 Item C, receive a report, hold a discussion, and select a 00:20:55.130 --> 00:20:57.000 historic property of the month, 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:59.589 which I would like to point out that was a historic 00:20:59.589 --> 00:21:01.000 property of the month. 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:02.000 Yes. 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:05.170 And that's a good example of why we want to continue to 00:21:05.170 --> 00:21:08.000 look outside of the historic districts 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:12.000 to spur this and seed it all through the city. 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:13.000 Absolutely. 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:14.000 All right. 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:15.000 Yeah, they didn't like that. 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:16.000 All right. 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:20.000 So we have three properties to recommend. 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:22.569 Actually, there's two new ones here because one of the 00:21:22.569 --> 00:21:24.000 previous ones had been on the list 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:27.289 three times, and the rules we approved is that if you're on 00:21:27.289 --> 00:21:29.000 the list three times, then 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:30.000 you don't get picked. 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:32.000 There was a house that's no longer on. 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:37.269 So this house at 411 West Prairie in the Stroud 00:21:37.269 --> 00:21:41.500 neighborhood just south of downtown is being 00:21:41.500 --> 00:21:44.000 nominated to Queen Anne style. 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:48.000 It looks to be fully restored from the outside. 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:50.519 And as Eric asked, I just went up and knocked on the door 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:52.000 and left my card and waited for 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:53.000 a call back. 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:54.000 And then someone said, sure. 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:55.000 Oh, I'd love to be a part of that. 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:56.000 That'd be great. 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:01.460 And the home was actually purchased from the man that 00:22:01.460 --> 00:22:05.000 restored it, who was Mike Cochran 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:07.000 actually, who worked on this house. 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:09.279 And he did a really thorough restoration from what I 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:10.000 understand. 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.789 I don't have the details of it, and I don't want to sway 00:22:12.789 --> 00:22:14.000 anyone's opinion. 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:16.000 All these homes are fantastic. 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:20.000 The second house here, this picture doesn't do it justice. 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:23.000 This is 605 Robert Street. 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:26.200 John Laney was the architect, as you all know, was a 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:28.000 partner of O'Neill Ford. 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:32.000 And you see the ceramic light fixtures just in the porch. 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:33.000 There really were three there. 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:35.589 They don't know how it happened, but one of them was 00:22:35.589 --> 00:22:37.000 shattered one morning. 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:39.000 Again, knocked on the door, talked to this house. 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:42.000 This is an incredibly beautiful home. 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:44.000 It's almost a movie set inside. 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:47.000 It's almost entirely period. 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:52.000 And right now, it is undergoing some renovations. 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:55.000 That's a pool company sign in the front yard. 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:59.210 So they're installing a linear pool in the back and 00:22:59.210 --> 00:23:01.000 actually a guest quarters. 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:04.779 But they have hired architects who are doing it so it'll 00:23:04.779 --> 00:23:06.000 fit in nicely. 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:10.000 And you really won't see much of that from the front. 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:12.000 So this is a nice home. 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:16.269 And then the last one here, who's been on the list, this is 00:23:16.269 --> 00:23:18.000 actually the third time 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:23.000 that we'll present this home at 1003 West Oak. 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:26.000 And it's in the Prairie School style of architecture. 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:28.000 And this home has a lot of original detail. 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:31.000 And you can see it has a state marker on it. 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:34.000 And it's been kept in very, very good condition. 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:38.660 And these are the three options I have for you on the 00:23:38.660 --> 00:23:41.000 property of the month. 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:43.000 Do we get to vote? 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:44.000 We do. 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:45.000 I'll talk to you guys. 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:46.000 Do you have a question, Deb? 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:50.000 No, when we have time for discussion I'd like to weigh in. 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:51.000 Oh, on your vote? 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.000 Any questions? 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.000 Just discussion on the properties. 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.000 Oh, go for it. 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:00.000 I was just going to say that is Mike's property. 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:05.930 And the woman who lives in there used to own the preschool 00:24:05.930 --> 00:24:07.000 in town on-- 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:09.000 The Montessori School? 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:10.000 The Montessori School. 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:12.000 Julie Winnett is the name of the owner now. 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:16.549 She's in our book club and she sent a letter, an email to 00:24:16.549 --> 00:24:20.000 all of us telling us that this house has been-- 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:21.000 Nominated. 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.000 --under consideration for being a store. 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:24.000 She was so excited. 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:25.000 It was ridiculous. 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:26.000 That's cute. 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:31.039 But having said that, one reason I would vote for the Str 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:33.000 oud house is because-- 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:36.309 for her house that's in that Stroud area is because I think 00:24:36.309 --> 00:24:39.609 that is a really important area for us to turn our sights 00:24:39.609 --> 00:24:41.000 to, to try to stabilize. 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:44.779 And this, just like on Congress, might give us a little toe 00:24:44.779 --> 00:24:48.500 hold that might really get those neighbors to really start 00:24:48.500 --> 00:24:50.000 thinking of stuff. 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:52.349 We've got one property that's already in a historic 00:24:52.349 --> 00:24:53.000 district. 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:54.000 I don't know. 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:57.920 I really like the idea of just planting those seeds outside 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:00.000 of the historic districts. 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.000 That was actually the one I was favoring as well, the West 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:04.000 Prairie House. 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:06.000 So is this the--how many times has this one been up? 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:07.000 Is this its first time? 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:08.000 First. 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:09.000 The first time. 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:12.490 The first for both this and the Robert Street, which I 00:25:12.490 --> 00:25:16.420 think it's really important to also consider many more of 00:25:16.420 --> 00:25:19.000 the historic mid-century houses, 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:23.619 especially since there just really aren't as many, I feel 00:25:23.619 --> 00:25:28.819 like, in stock for that really cool mid-century, not just 00:25:28.819 --> 00:25:32.000 the 1968 Prairie House, 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:37.039 which that ranch style is awesome, but I mean, these are a 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:39.000 lot harder to find. 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.619 But we will have another opportunity to vote on those two 00:25:42.619 --> 00:25:44.000 again, correct? 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:45.000 Yes. 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:46.000 Yes. 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:47.660 I just, just as a note, I believe that--I did knock on the 00:25:47.660 --> 00:25:48.000 door. 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.630 He wants to landmark that house, and I want to say she told 00:25:51.630 --> 00:25:53.000 me the same thing. 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:54.000 I love that. 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:55.000 So that's just-- 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:57.000 Yay. 00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:59.000 Cool. 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:02.150 All right, well, do we want to go ahead and take a--is 00:26:02.150 --> 00:26:04.000 there any more discussion? 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:05.000 All things up? 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:06.000 Great. 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:07.000 Cool. 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:08.000 Let's go ahead and take a vote. 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:12.660 If you are wanting to vote for the White Stroud House, 00:26:12.660 --> 00:26:15.000 please raise your hand. 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.000 One, two, three. 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:20.000 That's 411 West Prairie, right? 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:21.000 Yes, sir. 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:22.000 Got it. 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:23.000 The West Prairie House. 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:24.000 Four. 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:25.000 All right. 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:26.000 That one won. 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:27.000 Four or five. 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:28.000 But Kenneth, I would--oh, do I have to vote on all of them? 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:28.509 I would think--just if somebody makes a motion, just a 00:26:28.509 --> 00:26:29.000 second, just a comment on all of these, 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:30.000 I think, just so I can-- 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:31.000 Oh. 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:32.000 Because it's actually--just to select, so that you're-- 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:33.000 We always just voted before. 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:34.000 Okay. 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:35.000 Well, can we vote and then make a motion? 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:36.000 Sure. 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.000 Okay. 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:38.000 It's just someone motorized it. 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:39.000 That's fine. 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:40.000 That's fine. 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:41.000 Okay. 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:42.000 We can do that. 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:43.000 All right. 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:43.640 I move we approve the home at 411 West Prairie Street as 00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:44.000 our House of the Month. 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:45.000 I second the motion. 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:46.000 Excellent. 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:47.000 All in favor? 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:48.000 Aye. 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:49.000 All right. 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:50.000 All right. 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:58.240 So that moves--we have selected the Prairie House. 00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:01.240 It's so cute. 00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:02.240 All right. 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:06.170 Kenneth, I would like to ask you, which one were you going 00:27:06.170 --> 00:27:07.240 to vote for? 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:08.240 C. 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:09.240 Oh, I like that one too. 00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:10.240 It's always been on. 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:11.240 It's always been on. 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:12.240 Okay. 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:12.980 So, I would like to ask you, which one were you going to 00:27:12.980 --> 00:27:13.240 vote for? 00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:14.240 C. 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:15.240 Oh, I like that one too. 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:16.240 It's always been on. 00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:17.240 Okay. 00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:17.980 So, I would like to ask you, which one were you going to 00:27:17.980 --> 00:27:18.240 vote for? 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:19.240 C. 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:20.240 Oh, I like that one too. 00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:21.240 It's always been on. 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:22.240 You know, it's really hard to not like any of those. 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:23.240 It is. 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:24.240 Yeah. 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:25.240 Well, sometimes it's just-- 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:25.769 Y'all, you will make a person who has had a lot of bad 00:27:25.769 --> 00:27:26.240 illness and a lot of bad things 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:27.240 happen very happy. 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:28.240 Oh, good. 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:29.240 That doesn't matter, but she will be really thrilled. 00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:30.240 Excellent. 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:31.240 All right. 00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:35.900 You have to be hard and fast on that three times in your 00:27:35.900 --> 00:27:38.240 rule because it's hard. 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:43.240 Can we bring back a best of at the end of the year? 00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:45.400 I didn't even like making rules for that. 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.349 That was--we had--we remember we were--oh, let's formalize 00:27:48.349 --> 00:27:48.799 it. 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:50.759 I was trying to keep it loose, but I don't know why. 00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:51.759 It seems like a fun thing. 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:53.759 We can always loosen those rules back up. 00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:54.759 I'm just saying. 00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:57.759 And so, Helen, if you want, we can bring one of them in. 00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:00.759 Well, I mean, it's just a gorgeous house. 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:03.759 I hate for it to be out of consideration forever. 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:04.759 It's, you know-- 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:05.759 Forever. 00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:07.089 Maybe--actually, I don't think we said how long it won't be 00:28:07.089 --> 00:28:07.759 in consideration. 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:08.759 Oh, maybe it's just the next meeting. 00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:09.759 Yeah, just to keep going. 00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:10.759 All right. 00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:11.759 Yeah. 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:12.759 All right. 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:15.259 Let's go on to D, the Historic Landmark Commission Project 00:28:15.259 --> 00:28:15.759 Matrix. 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:19.759 Are there any items that need to be added or updated on the 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:21.759 project matrix? 00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:22.759 No? 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:25.759 Not in there? 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.759 Where are we on local designation of downtown? 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.759 Yeah, good question. 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:34.759 Because it-- 00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:35.759 Okay. 00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:39.819 I can update you that we just met--presented that to 00:28:39.819 --> 00:28:41.759 Planning and Zoning. 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:42.759 Okay. 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:43.759 The Design District. 00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:47.759 I'm not sure it actually has an official name yet. 00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:53.109 But that Design District was presented to P&Z for their 00:28:53.109 --> 00:28:53.759 input. 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:56.740 And we're taking that back and going to take into 00:28:56.740 --> 00:28:58.759 consideration their recommendations. 00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:01.759 And I believe--oh, no, it's going to City Council. 00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:03.759 Richard may be able to come in. 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:06.759 It went to P&Z for a work session item. 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:07.759 Okay. 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:10.009 It'll now go back to City Council for a work session just 00:29:10.009 --> 00:29:11.759 to update them on all of the 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:13.759 input that was received. 00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:18.759 From that point, any sort of final direction from Council, 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:20.759 it'll get memorialized into 00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:22.759 an ordinance. 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:25.759 And then we'll kind of go back on the circuit, if you will, 00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:27.759 meeting with the property owners, 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:32.700 business owners, the various groups that we met with within 00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:33.759 the area. 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.509 It'll come back to HLC, go to P&Z for formal recommendation 00:29:37.509 --> 00:29:39.759 , and then to City Council for 00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:41.759 formal adoption. 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:42.759 Okay. 00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:43.759 Great. 00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.980 And it's been unanimously supported in every group that it 00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:47.759 's been to. 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:49.759 That's what I wanted to ask. 00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:51.759 As Scott emphasizes, there's not been one. 00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:54.440 Scott McDonald, the development director, has said that 00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:55.759 there's been no opposition to 00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:56.759 that. 00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:57.759 So it's just a matter of not working. 00:29:57.759 --> 00:29:58.759 There's been no opposition on P&Z. 00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:02.759 There's been no open opposition yet from outside sources. 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:03.759 Okay. 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:04.759 Great. 00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.759 What's the timeframe if everything keeps going? 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:08.759 Positively. 00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:12.759 Positively, and then when would it be designated? 00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:16.539 Well, this isn't for the designation of -- this is just 00:30:16.539 --> 00:30:22.759 getting the design guidelines in place. 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:23.759 That's what we're -- 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:24.759 Yes, that's right. 00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:29.759 I mean, we're moving at a pretty rapid pace. 00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:30.759 I think it's just as -- 00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:31.759 Within the -- 00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:35.099 Get on every agenda and keep -- nothing slowed it down 00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:37.759 except just the sequence of the meetings. 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:42.630 I suspect by the summer, June, maybe July, the very latest, 00:30:42.630 --> 00:30:44.759 that this would be adopted. 00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:47.329 And the only reason is because of the advertising of when 00:30:47.329 --> 00:30:48.759 we can have those meetings. 00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:50.759 There's typically a 30-day notice requirement. 00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.759 That would be the only holdup. 00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:55.759 Okay, so there's two items up there. 00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:58.059 There's the design guidelines, and then there's the local 00:30:58.059 --> 00:30:58.759 designation. 00:30:58.759 --> 00:30:59.759 Right. 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.759 So what's the status on that? 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:03.759 Yeah, the design guidelines. 00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:04.759 That's what I was -- 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:07.759 Well, that's for the historic district. 00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:08.759 The local designation. 00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:13.759 Well, what's going to happen is that this will create, in 00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:16.759 essence, an overlay that will 00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:18.759 require certificates of appropriateness. 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.660 So it's not being called a local historic district, but 00:31:22.660 --> 00:31:24.759 then it is being unanimously 00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:26.759 supported, however we're calling it. 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.779 So it's going forward nicely, and there have been efforts 00:31:30.779 --> 00:31:32.759 in the past to create a local 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:35.700 historic district over downtown, and sometimes, for 00:31:35.700 --> 00:31:37.759 whatever reason, those have gotten held 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:38.759 up. 00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:41.470 But here we're going about it a little differently, and 00:31:41.470 --> 00:31:43.759 they started by meeting with the business 00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:46.980 community at a restaurant and business owners and got that 00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:48.759 support early on, and it seems 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:50.759 to have the support. 00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:53.440 So it may be that it's a local -- it's not really a 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:55.759 designation of downtown in the sense 00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.490 of a locally designated district, but it is creating a 00:31:59.490 --> 00:32:01.759 district that we can protect. 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:02.759 Yes. 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:03.759 Okay. 00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:07.039 Thinking of the design guidelines, this is just slightly 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:08.759 off, but where are we with the 00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.000 final city council presentation for the design guidelines 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.759 for the historic district that 00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:15.759 we changed? 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:16.759 For Bell Avenue? 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:17.759 No. 00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:20.759 For Bell and for just all the design guidelines? 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.759 That was -- you mean the ordinance changes? 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:23.759 Yeah, the ordinance changes. 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:24.759 Or preservation organizations. 00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:25.759 Yeah. 00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:26.759 Those are just waiting. 00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:30.779 The Denton Development Code review process, we've just had 00:32:30.779 --> 00:32:32.759 about seven meetings within 00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:37.259 the community to refine the Development Code amendments or 00:32:37.259 --> 00:32:39.759 revisions, and we're going to 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:44.380 just dovetail in those preservation ordinance changes into 00:32:44.380 --> 00:32:46.759 that when that gets approved. 00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.690 And I think we're just a few months from that same period, 00:32:50.690 --> 00:32:51.759 maybe July. 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:53.759 Richard, could you speak to that? 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:55.759 Yeah, we're looking at -- we'll have a -- the full -- 00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.759 The full consolidated draft. 00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.759 If you recall, we've taken a number of modules. 00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:04.859 What we've now done is really put that together into a full 00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:06.759 consolidated draft, which will 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.759 be out within the next couple weeks. 00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.960 But once that goes out again, we'll be moving pretty 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:13.759 rapidly. 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:18.140 But that's looking to be adopted in August, I think, is the 00:33:18.140 --> 00:33:19.759 latest schedule. 00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:24.380 What we can do is have Roman provide everyone a copy of the 00:33:24.380 --> 00:33:26.759 latest schedule, where those 00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.759 amendments are and how that's moving through the process. 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:30.759 That helps. 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:34.490 And we're not discussing that those preservation ordinances 00:33:34.490 --> 00:33:36.759 , at least at this point, are going 00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:37.759 to be altered significantly. 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:40.980 It's just a matter of having the numbers match and going 00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:42.759 into the Development Code. 00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:44.759 Yeah, it just got incorporated in. 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.759 Actually, I don't think anything has changed since P&Z. 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:48.759 Yeah. 00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:49.759 Right. 00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:50.759 I know. 00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:52.759 I'm just eager to get the historic designation down. 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:53.759 Sure. 00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:54.759 Absolutely. 00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.079 And I know it keeps getting tied to this, which keeps 00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:58.759 getting pushed farther and farther 00:33:58.759 --> 00:33:59.759 back. 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.039 We thought that was going to supposedly be done last 00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:03.759 November, so -- or last December, 00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:04.759 excuse me. 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:05.759 It's hard to wait. 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:06.759 No, I understand that. 00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:09.760 It's definitely hard for me, too. 00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:12.510 And especially with the preservation plan RFP, which we 00:34:12.510 --> 00:34:13.760 just met with on that. 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:17.010 So we'll be -- there's an RFP, we'll be reviewing those and 00:34:17.010 --> 00:34:18.760 we're starting that process right 00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:19.760 behind there, too. 00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:20.760 Great. 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:21.760 Okay. 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:26.760 Is there anything that needs to be added to the matrix? 00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:30.619 Other than Yahoo for the downtown progress, that's 00:34:30.619 --> 00:34:31.760 fantastic. 00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:32.760 Okay. 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:33.760 Good work, you guys, on that. 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:34.760 It's needed. 00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:35.760 Yes, it is. 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.289 A giant hole in the middle of downtown is a terrifying 00:34:40.289 --> 00:34:42.760 reality that we have to deal with. 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:47.159 That and just any building wanting to redevelop or redesign 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.760 , there's really nothing that we 00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:50.760 could -- 00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:51.760 Exactly. 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:52.760 -- hold their feet to the fire on. 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:53.760 Right. 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:54.760 Kind of shocking. 00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:55.760 Yeah. 00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:56.760 This was such a good way to go about that. 00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:57.539 We've been looking at how to tackle that problem for so 00:34:57.539 --> 00:34:57.760 long. 00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:58.760 No, it happened at just the right time. 00:34:58.760 --> 00:34:59.760 Okay. 00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:00.760 All right. 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:01.510 Well, then I think we are done, which means I can call this 00:35:01.510 --> 00:35:01.760 meeting. 00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:14.760 It's a conclusion, right? 00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.760 There's no other business, right? 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:22.760 Then I can adjourn this meeting at 6 45 p.m. 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:23.760 Good job. 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:24.760 Good job. 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:31.760 Thank you.