1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 6, 11, PM. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Let's go ahead and stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,689 And Kenneth, would you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance 4 00:00:11,689 --> 00:00:12,000 tonight? 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,620 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 6 00:00:16,620 --> 00:00:17,000 America 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,000 and to the republic for which it stands, 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,800 one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,000 justice for all. 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,000 one state, under God, one and indivisible. 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Alright, so we have two items for consideration tonight. 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,659 The first is A, consider approval of the Historic Landmark 14 00:00:49,659 --> 00:00:53,000 Commission meeting minutes from April 9, 2018. 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Did everybody get a chance to look over those? 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Great. Can I get a motion? 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,000 I move we approve the minutes as offered. 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Excellent. Thank you, Roy. 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 I second. 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Thank you for that second, Helen. 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 All those in favor say aye. 22 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Aye. 23 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,000 All those opposed say nay. 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Alright, the motion is approved. 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,000 For those minutes. 26 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,379 And let's move on to B, consider making a recommendation to 27 00:01:23,379 --> 00:01:25,000 the Planning and Zoning Commission 28 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,000 regarding an application for Historic Landmark designation 29 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,000 for the property located at 607 East College Street 30 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,000 between Vine Street and Frame Street. 31 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,000 And Roman has a presentation for us. 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Thank you, Roman. 33 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Thank you. 34 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Thank you, Chair and everybody for being here this evening. 35 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,569 And I apologize for not sending out a notice, a reminder 36 00:01:48,569 --> 00:01:50,000 notice, but I'll do that next time. 37 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,700 I just told Dr. Helen I think I'll just have a list on my 38 00:01:53,700 --> 00:01:57,000 cell in the morning I'll send out a reminder. 39 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Remind one or what? 40 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,609 So this is a really nice opportunity to landmark 607 East 41 00:02:02,609 --> 00:02:04,000 College Street. 42 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,000 The owners of the property are here tonight. 43 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,349 And I've prepared for you a few slides that are a summary 44 00:02:10,349 --> 00:02:17,000 of what you would have, what you'd have in your packets. 45 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,780 And just as a reminder, it's 607 East College Street in 46 00:02:20,780 --> 00:02:23,000 Denton, Texas, 76209. 47 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,000 And there's the legal description. 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,819 And it's a single family residence located near Texas Women 49 00:02:30,819 --> 00:02:34,000 's University just on the east side. 50 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,080 This home appears to have been built somewhere in the early 51 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,000 20s. 52 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,699 You'll see going forward in these slides how we couldn't 53 00:02:41,699 --> 00:02:43,000 exactly pinpoint it. 54 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,000 We couldn't find a mechanics lien for it. 55 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,069 And I actually suspect that it could have been built by May 56 00:02:52,069 --> 00:02:58,000 and Henry Stevens or by J.H. and Mary Pearl Boyd. 57 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,000 And it's built in the craftsman style. 58 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000 You'll see pictures of that. 59 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,460 Now, it's important to note here at item number two that 60 00:03:05,460 --> 00:03:11,000 this small area was recognized in the 1996 Denton Historic 61 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Resource Survey 62 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,300 as an area that was important, but it had lost a lot of 63 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:17,180 integrity and it seemed to have been developed at a 64 00:03:17,180 --> 00:03:18,000 different time, 65 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,000 according to that survey. 66 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,000 So they didn't recommend landmarking it. 67 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,120 The home has been in the same family, was in the same 68 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,000 family for 74 years, the Boyd family. 69 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,349 Now, in researching this, we thought the home belonged to 70 00:03:34,349 --> 00:03:37,000 the same family that Conti's house. 71 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,520 And it turns out that's not, that doesn't appear to be the 72 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:40,000 case. 73 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,990 Here's a little history of the ownership of the property 74 00:03:43,990 --> 00:03:49,000 and the number six and seven I deduced from this document, 75 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,129 which talks about the conveyance of the land earlier to C.C 76 00:03:53,129 --> 00:04:01,849 . Bell from John Henry in 1869, then to C.C. Bell by John 77 00:04:01,849 --> 00:04:03,000 Henry. 78 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:08,439 At the time, in 1917 or so is when the subdivision was made 79 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:13,000 , the plat was made and the streets were allocated. 80 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,000 Then there's this interesting document. 81 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,000 This gets to when was it built? 82 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,660 And this is a loan, something filed in relationship to the 83 00:04:22,660 --> 00:04:24,000 loan on the property. 84 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:29,189 And in this document, which talks about payments and what 85 00:04:29,189 --> 00:04:33,639 have you, you have here that there's some there's some co 86 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:34,000 venants, 87 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,399 or not covenants, but some requirements for this doc for 88 00:04:36,399 --> 00:04:37,000 this loan. 89 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,870 And one of them is that that the building shall be insured 90 00:04:40,870 --> 00:04:44,000 or buildings to be built shall be insured. 91 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,220 So I'm thinking that the loan that was taken out could have 92 00:04:47,220 --> 00:04:49,000 been to construct the home. 93 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,000 And that's what those things are about. 94 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:56,990 And then the 1925 after the Boyds take ownership, you have 95 00:04:56,990 --> 00:05:00,550 the city working with Jago to build the sidewalks in the 96 00:05:00,550 --> 00:05:01,000 area. 97 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:06,269 And this is referencing one hundred and ninety five dollars 98 00:05:06,269 --> 00:05:09,759 and fifty one cents, I believe, to be paid by the owners of 99 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:11,000 Boyds at the time. 100 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,810 And they created a lien on the property till they paid that 101 00:05:15,810 --> 00:05:16,000 . 102 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,939 So in the ninety six historic resource survey, it was the 103 00:05:19,939 --> 00:05:23,000 1915 was put down as a bill date. 104 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,149 I don't know how that could have come about, but there you 105 00:05:27,149 --> 00:05:28,000 have it. 106 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,000 And it was a medium priority house at the time. 107 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,759 And perhaps the medium priority comes from the fact that 108 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:37,800 when you look at it in that ninety six image with the kind 109 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,000 of the faux wrought iron columns that were there, 110 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,000 you know, maybe didn't have so much of originality in it. 111 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:51,000 There's the the Sanborn maps from 1926. 112 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,000 And here's the property in the upper left. 113 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,000 So we know it was there then. 114 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,170 There's nothing before this area of town didn't have San 115 00:05:58,170 --> 00:06:00,000 born maps until twenty six. 116 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,740 And then between twenty six and forty nine, you know, they 117 00:06:02,740 --> 00:06:04,000 just augment the maps. 118 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,029 And so you see the structure end up the next door corner 119 00:06:07,029 --> 00:06:10,000 property ends up and as well as the map fills in. 120 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,620 So if you see all the blanks before and up to forty nine 121 00:06:14,620 --> 00:06:17,000 filled in a little more. 122 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,000 So we know the house has a lot of integrity. 123 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,860 This is kind of a combination of things that make this 124 00:06:21,860 --> 00:06:23,000 house important. 125 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,519 And so here's a long series of articles starting around 126 00:06:26,519 --> 00:06:31,000 1930 and this page for women in the Denton record Chronicle 127 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:31,000 . 128 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:37,279 And it refers to the Tress Modern Bridge Club meeting at 129 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,000 this house. 130 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,000 And I'm just going to go through these rather quickly. 131 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:49,579 In 1930, we have reference to Mr. Boyd being elected to the 132 00:06:49,579 --> 00:06:54,000 Masonic Lodge position there with the Masonic Lodge. 133 00:06:54,000 --> 00:07:02,000 And here we have. 134 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,439 Yeah. So here in 1930, we have guests at the house, right. 135 00:07:06,439 --> 00:07:09,000 The 13 Bridge Club guests there. 136 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,050 Now, I could not figure out what J.H. Boyd did in the 137 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:14,000 research we've done thus far. 138 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,689 But I hope by designating the property and in the future, 139 00:07:16,689 --> 00:07:19,000 we'll keep an eye out and try to figure it out. 140 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:25,000 We do know is that he did declare bankruptcy in 1930. 141 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:32,370 We also saw that he was served a salad. He was served a 142 00:07:32,370 --> 00:07:36,000 salad. I'm sorry. Yeah. Go back one slide. 143 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,000 The hostess served a salad and ice. 144 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:47,110 Ice. I love it. So there's a bankruptcy in September 30. So 145 00:07:47,110 --> 00:07:49,800 , you know, somewhere around the time the stock market 146 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,000 crashed. 147 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Makes sense. Maybe it was too much bridge. 148 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,000 He lost a couple of times. 149 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,310 And taking taking the articles a little out of order, you 150 00:08:02,310 --> 00:08:06,000 have this piece to kind of think a little bit about J.H. 151 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,000 Boyd. 152 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,259 And he had he was from New York, apparently, and he had two 153 00:08:10,259 --> 00:08:12,000 brothers, one. 154 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,810 This is in 55. So we've jumped forward 25 years. But one 155 00:08:16,810 --> 00:08:20,800 brother was a reverend in Syracuse and the other brother 156 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,000 was in Geneva, New York. 157 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,000 So we know that. But now we're going back a little bit. 158 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,860 Here's a book club reference to the secretary of the book 159 00:08:29,860 --> 00:08:32,000 club was Mrs. J.H. Boyd. 160 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,000 And they were meeting at the house. 161 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,340 And here are a couple more things. November 37. This is 162 00:08:39,340 --> 00:08:43,379 about a quarter of the articles that were written about the 163 00:08:43,379 --> 00:08:46,000 family that are in the Denton record Chronicle. 164 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,799 So here it's going back to the question. Also, we were told 165 00:08:49,799 --> 00:08:52,159 whoever built the house built it for their daughters who 166 00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:53,000 were in school. 167 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,679 But what's evident from here is they built it for 168 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,000 themselves and that the the daughters would go to school. 169 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,549 So in November 37, the daughters were in town from their 170 00:09:03,549 --> 00:09:08,580 respective schools. And in December 37, Jane and Eleanor 171 00:09:08,580 --> 00:09:12,000 Boyd of Dallas are guests at their parents house. 172 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,000 So they both were in Dallas. 173 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:21,570 Now, here, Jane is in New York, is in is in Dallas. Doesn't 174 00:09:21,570 --> 00:09:24,000 mention where where Eleanor is. 175 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,419 Right. But this also tells you a lot of things. One that Mr 176 00:09:27,419 --> 00:09:30,000 . J.H. Boyd was ill. 177 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,159 And and then the Mrs. McAdams is Mrs. Boyd's maiden name, 178 00:09:34,159 --> 00:09:35,000 McAdams. 179 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,440 What I think is interesting here, too, is that Jane Boyd 180 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,000 was living at 5004 Worth Street. 181 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,000 And here's 5004 Worth Street in Dallas. 182 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,940 And it's it looks like an apartment building because I zoom 183 00:09:49,940 --> 00:09:52,639 ed in on a satellite image in the back part of this is all 184 00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:53,000 paved. 185 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,899 And the double front door makes me think that she was 186 00:09:55,899 --> 00:09:58,000 possibly had a residence there. 187 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,100 So then just continuing in the prominence of the Boyds on 188 00:10:02,100 --> 00:10:08,000 the left, there's two brother organizations that that J.H. 189 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:08,000 Boyd was in. 190 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,000 He was a commander here, the Denton commander, number 45, 191 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:17,179 with the temple of all Sir Knights and then the number 60 192 00:10:17,179 --> 00:10:21,000 and the R.A.M. group, whoever that is. 193 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,000 And so 1947 that right. I read that right. 194 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,000 I already have numbers in 47. 195 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,929 An interesting thing here is that if you go to the upper 196 00:10:31,929 --> 00:10:35,399 left there, Jane Boyd left today for Washington and points 197 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:38,360 in the east and she will visit her sister, Eleanor Boyd, 198 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,700 who is a member of the George Washington University faculty 199 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:42,000 . 200 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:49,350 And then down below that, just a year later, she was a dean 201 00:10:49,350 --> 00:10:55,000 of women at Texas at West Texas State College. 202 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,000 And politics doesn't get left out. 203 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:02,179 This is a Republican precinct chair meeting was held in in 204 00:11:02,179 --> 00:11:04,000 607 Boyd. 205 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,500 So you see the house has an interesting history and has in 206 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:11,019 your package, you were seeing a lot more pictures of the 207 00:11:11,019 --> 00:11:12,000 property. 208 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,700 I don't think I have more pictures of it, but it's it's it 209 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:19,649 's been been worked on extensively by the family and updated 210 00:11:19,649 --> 00:11:20,000 . 211 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,679 And we're recommending that it were suggesting that it 212 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,000 meets criteria. 213 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,000 It's number one, twelve and thirteen from our criteria. 214 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,000 It only needs to meet one. 215 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,399 One is character, interest or value as part of the 216 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:35,179 development heritage or cultural characteristics of the 217 00:11:35,179 --> 00:11:37,000 city, state or the United States. 218 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,889 In this case, the home retains much of its original 219 00:11:39,889 --> 00:11:43,299 character defining features such as the south facing front 220 00:11:43,299 --> 00:11:46,340 porch and most of the original siding and the original 221 00:11:46,340 --> 00:11:47,000 windows. 222 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,059 And number twelve is a building or structure that because 223 00:11:50,059 --> 00:11:52,820 of its location has become a value to a neighborhood 224 00:11:52,820 --> 00:11:54,000 community area city. 225 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,509 And the home is located in a block that retains a 226 00:11:56,509 --> 00:12:01,000 significant number of homes retaining historical integrity. 227 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,070 And the southeast side of Texas Women's University campus 228 00:12:04,070 --> 00:12:07,009 is referenced in the 96 historic resource survey as 229 00:12:07,009 --> 00:12:08,000 significant. 230 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,059 And number thirteen, a value as an aspect of community 231 00:12:10,059 --> 00:12:11,000 sentiment or pride. 232 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,850 In this case, the current owners have sensitively rehabil 233 00:12:13,850 --> 00:12:17,480 itated this home, retaining character, defining features 234 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,000 while updating it for generations to come. 235 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,940 The home was recently featured as historic property of the 236 00:12:23,940 --> 00:12:26,350 month in Denton and the owners participated in a 237 00:12:26,350 --> 00:12:28,000 preservation Denton video. 238 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,000 So you can actually see more of the house in the video. 239 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,940 And the quality of the restoration work has been very good 240 00:12:35,940 --> 00:12:41,059 and it's been, we recommend approval for land marking this 241 00:12:41,059 --> 00:12:42,000 house. 242 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,000 Do we have any questions for Roman? 243 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,000 This is a beautiful home. 244 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:55,000 This is a great presentation Roman. 245 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,000 Any questions? 246 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,000 And the owners of course are here too. 247 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,000 Right. 248 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Can we open this up and speak to the owners? 249 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,000 Cool. 250 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Come on up guys. 251 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,000 If you would like to. 252 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Do you want us to come up? 253 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Would you mind? 254 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Sure. 255 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,000 I'll ask you one very simple question. 256 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,000 I promise. 257 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,000 I'll put it back to at least a picture of the house here. 258 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Right there. 259 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,000 All right. 260 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,820 And then if you'll get right behind that microphone so that 261 00:13:30,820 --> 00:13:32,000 we can record this. 262 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000 Okay. 263 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,000 State your name and your address. 264 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,629 My name is Liz Spoonce and I live at 607 East College 265 00:13:37,629 --> 00:13:39,000 Street in Denton, Texas. 266 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,000 Excellent. 267 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,620 And then why did you choose, why is it you're wanting a 268 00:13:44,620 --> 00:13:50,000 historic landmark designation? 269 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,559 A lot of these homes in this neighborhood are being demol 270 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:59,210 ished and I think there for a number of years the homes in 271 00:13:59,210 --> 00:14:03,440 this neighborhood were part of a designated expansion area 272 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:04,000 by TWU. 273 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,809 And so owners in this particular area felt like as soon as 274 00:14:08,809 --> 00:14:13,120 the properties were going to be sold they were kind of 275 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:18,860 destined to go to TWU because they didn't feel like they 276 00:14:18,860 --> 00:14:25,000 were going to be taken over to expand the university. 277 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,000 I think the university now has changed its focus. 278 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:35,000 It's now moving its direction onto the golf course. 279 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,809 And we bought the house because I love old homes that have 280 00:14:39,809 --> 00:14:44,429 history to them and of course I work at TWU so it's a hop, 281 00:14:44,429 --> 00:14:48,000 skip, and a jump for me to get to work. 282 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:53,549 But our goal is to try to show people in the community that 283 00:14:53,549 --> 00:14:58,860 these homes have value and they do take some extensive 284 00:14:58,860 --> 00:15:03,919 renovations but once you restore them they're just 285 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:10,509 something that you don't see every day and it's sad to me 286 00:15:10,509 --> 00:15:13,000 that there are not that many left. 287 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,590 There are still quite a few between College Street and what 288 00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:21,000 's the street down by Texas and -- 289 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Austin. 290 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Frame Street. 291 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,429 Frame Street and all in that area and there are still some 292 00:15:26,429 --> 00:15:29,799 really good homes that could be restored and make a nice 293 00:15:29,799 --> 00:15:31,000 neighborhood. 294 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,840 And we -- since the revitalization of downtown, you know, 295 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:40,610 you're seeing a lot of people who really are valuing living 296 00:15:40,610 --> 00:15:45,090 close to the square, valuing older homes and historic 297 00:15:45,090 --> 00:15:49,759 properties and so I think you've seen a really strong rise 298 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:52,000 in the interest in these homes. 299 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,240 So, you know, we're hoping that our home kind of serves as 300 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,039 a beacon if you will that you can fix these homes up and 301 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:04,139 they can be really extremely livable and something that 302 00:16:04,139 --> 00:16:10,330 preserves the heritage of the city and the history and can 303 00:16:10,330 --> 00:16:14,000 be here for many, many, many more years to come. 304 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,350 And were you involved in any of the renovations to the 305 00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:18,000 house? 306 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,000 We actually picked everything out. 307 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,940 We tried to -- I got online and tried to research on inside 308 00:16:27,940 --> 00:16:33,080 the home when we did the restoration, we kept the original 309 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:38,029 walls and we looked for details that would be consistent 310 00:16:38,029 --> 00:16:41,000 with the age of the property. 311 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,000 So, in a way, yes, did I pick up a hammer? 312 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,000 No. 313 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,159 It would look near as nice as it does if that had been the 314 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:53,000 case. 315 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,309 I love that you guys did this with this house and loved 316 00:16:55,309 --> 00:16:56,000 this house. 317 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,299 I don't know if you all owned this house maybe five or ten 318 00:16:58,299 --> 00:17:00,809 years ago when we had a big meeting at Kevin Ritten's house 319 00:17:00,809 --> 00:17:01,000 ? 320 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Yes. 321 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,000 Yes, I have. 322 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Yes, we did. 323 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,000 And the points that you're bringing up are so important. 324 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,240 I don't know if everybody here sort of knows that history, 325 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,319 but that was at the time when TWE was actively eating up as 326 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,000 much of those homes as possible. 327 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,839 They were using some -- and they were beginning to gut 328 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:22,000 homes in between. 329 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,490 One of the houses was being used as a swap team classic 330 00:17:24,490 --> 00:17:25,000 place. 331 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Sure, yeah. 332 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,519 It was on the verge and it was so important when we were 333 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:33,000 all talking about trying to get that stabilized. 334 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,210 This hopefully might give other of your neighbors the idea 335 00:17:36,210 --> 00:17:38,000 to stabilize theirs as well. 336 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Well, we've had several on our street do a lot better job 337 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,700 of maintaining and then a couple who have completely 338 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:50,000 restored like we did. 339 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:55,000 So, you know, it was important to us. 340 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,000 I hope it's going to be important to others as well. 341 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,000 You've done a beautiful job. 342 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,000 Thank you. 343 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,000 It's a beautiful home. 344 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Thank you. 345 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,490 Thank you so much for making the effort to do this because 346 00:18:04,490 --> 00:18:07,990 I know that it's not always an easy process, but this is 347 00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:09,000 incredible. 348 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,000 Well, we'd love to. 349 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000 We'd love for you to come by sometime. 350 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Yeah. 351 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,000 I would love to. 352 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,000 Yeah, you're all welcome. 353 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,000 We'll be there. 354 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,000 Yeah, it doesn't take long at all. 355 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,000 You're on one of my walking routes, so I might walk by. 356 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,000 It has happened before. 357 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Well, knock on the door. 358 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,000 You're welcome to come in. 359 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,000 Yeah. 360 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,000 I love it. 361 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Thank you. 362 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,000 Do we have any other questions for this booth? 363 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,000 All right. 364 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,000 Thank you so much. 365 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Thank you. 366 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,680 I guess we're technically open to the public, but that is 367 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,000 all that is here. 368 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,809 So we're going to close the public portion of the meeting 369 00:18:45,809 --> 00:18:48,000 and discussion. 370 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,000 I think they did a great job. 371 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,849 This is a perfect example of restoration done well and in a 372 00:18:55,849 --> 00:18:58,000 very important part of the city. 373 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,000 And I really do hope that this helps to stem the tide. 374 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,450 It does look like TWA is looking at a different place to 375 00:19:03,450 --> 00:19:04,000 expand. 376 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,000 Yeah. 377 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000 And that could only mean good things for this little block. 378 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,000 I agree. 379 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:15,000 Do we have anybody who's ready to make a motion? 380 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,000 I'll move. 381 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,000 Great. 382 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,000 To approve? 383 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,000 To approve, yes. 384 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,000 Okay. 385 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,000 I'll second. 386 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Excellent. 387 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Thank you. 388 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,000 So motion was made by Debs, seconded by Kenna. 389 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,000 All those in favor say aye. 390 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,000 Aye. 391 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,000 Aye. 392 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,000 All those opposed say nay. 393 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,000 Great. 394 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,000 The motion is passed. 395 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,000 Congratulations, May. 396 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,000 Thank you, guys. 397 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,000 This is amazing. 398 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,000 You get a beautiful plaque. 399 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,000 Yes. 400 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,000 Yes. 401 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,000 That's very happy. 402 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,000 I will tie it down. 403 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,000 Where do they put his ideas? 404 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,000 Is there a design? 405 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Oh, you can put them up. 406 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:57,000 It doesn't need to be advertised, right? 407 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:04,000 We put ours on the left. 408 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,000 When's the next meeting? 409 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,000 Well, unless we're reducing the number we're advertising, 410 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:17,000 unless we just only advertise the same thing, in the past 411 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:17,000 we've standardized three units, 412 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,000 P and Z. 413 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,000 I don't know if you're doing this. 414 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,380 Well, I guess I'll just inform the applicant that this says 415 00:20:21,380 --> 00:20:22,000 go to P and Z. 416 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,000 Okay. 417 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,099 So it's been approved through HLC, and so next it will go 418 00:20:26,099 --> 00:20:28,000 before P and Z, and from there 419 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000 it goes on to council, correct? 420 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,000 Correct. 421 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,000 Okay. 422 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,000 Great. 423 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,000 Thank you so much, y'all. 424 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,000 He has a pretty stand-up fella. 425 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,000 We agree. 426 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,000 We'd like to keep him around. 427 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,000 Thank you. 428 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,000 Thank you. 429 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,000 Thank you. 430 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,000 What a beautiful house. 431 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,000 Oh, gorgeous. 432 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,000 All right. 433 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,000 Let's move on. 434 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,130 Item C, receive a report, hold a discussion, and select a 435 00:20:55,130 --> 00:20:57,000 historic property of the month, 436 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,589 which I would like to point out that was a historic 437 00:20:59,589 --> 00:21:01,000 property of the month. 438 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,000 Yes. 439 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,170 And that's a good example of why we want to continue to 440 00:21:05,170 --> 00:21:08,000 look outside of the historic districts 441 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,000 to spur this and seed it all through the city. 442 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,000 Absolutely. 443 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 All right. 444 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,000 Yeah, they didn't like that. 445 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,000 All right. 446 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,000 So we have three properties to recommend. 447 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,569 Actually, there's two new ones here because one of the 448 00:21:22,569 --> 00:21:24,000 previous ones had been on the list 449 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,289 three times, and the rules we approved is that if you're on 450 00:21:27,289 --> 00:21:29,000 the list three times, then 451 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,000 you don't get picked. 452 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,000 There was a house that's no longer on. 453 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:37,269 So this house at 411 West Prairie in the Stroud 454 00:21:37,269 --> 00:21:41,500 neighborhood just south of downtown is being 455 00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:44,000 nominated to Queen Anne style. 456 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,000 It looks to be fully restored from the outside. 457 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,519 And as Eric asked, I just went up and knocked on the door 458 00:21:50,519 --> 00:21:52,000 and left my card and waited for 459 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,000 a call back. 460 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,000 And then someone said, sure. 461 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,000 Oh, I'd love to be a part of that. 462 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,000 That'd be great. 463 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,460 And the home was actually purchased from the man that 464 00:22:01,460 --> 00:22:05,000 restored it, who was Mike Cochran 465 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,000 actually, who worked on this house. 466 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,279 And he did a really thorough restoration from what I 467 00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:10,000 understand. 468 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,789 I don't have the details of it, and I don't want to sway 469 00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:14,000 anyone's opinion. 470 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,000 All these homes are fantastic. 471 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,000 The second house here, this picture doesn't do it justice. 472 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,000 This is 605 Robert Street. 473 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,200 John Laney was the architect, as you all know, was a 474 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,000 partner of O'Neill Ford. 475 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,000 And you see the ceramic light fixtures just in the porch. 476 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,000 There really were three there. 477 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,589 They don't know how it happened, but one of them was 478 00:22:35,589 --> 00:22:37,000 shattered one morning. 479 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,000 Again, knocked on the door, talked to this house. 480 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,000 This is an incredibly beautiful home. 481 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000 It's almost a movie set inside. 482 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,000 It's almost entirely period. 483 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:52,000 And right now, it is undergoing some renovations. 484 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,000 That's a pool company sign in the front yard. 485 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,210 So they're installing a linear pool in the back and 486 00:22:59,210 --> 00:23:01,000 actually a guest quarters. 487 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,779 But they have hired architects who are doing it so it'll 488 00:23:04,779 --> 00:23:06,000 fit in nicely. 489 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,000 And you really won't see much of that from the front. 490 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000 So this is a nice home. 491 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,269 And then the last one here, who's been on the list, this is 492 00:23:16,269 --> 00:23:18,000 actually the third time 493 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:23,000 that we'll present this home at 1003 West Oak. 494 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,000 And it's in the Prairie School style of architecture. 495 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000 And this home has a lot of original detail. 496 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,000 And you can see it has a state marker on it. 497 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,000 And it's been kept in very, very good condition. 498 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,660 And these are the three options I have for you on the 499 00:23:38,660 --> 00:23:41,000 property of the month. 500 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,000 Do we get to vote? 501 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,000 We do. 502 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,000 I'll talk to you guys. 503 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Do you have a question, Deb? 504 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,000 No, when we have time for discussion I'd like to weigh in. 505 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Oh, on your vote? 506 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000 Any questions? 507 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,000 Just discussion on the properties. 508 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000 Oh, go for it. 509 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,000 I was just going to say that is Mike's property. 510 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,930 And the woman who lives in there used to own the preschool 511 00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:07,000 in town on-- 512 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,000 The Montessori School? 513 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,000 The Montessori School. 514 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000 Julie Winnett is the name of the owner now. 515 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,549 She's in our book club and she sent a letter, an email to 516 00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:20,000 all of us telling us that this house has been-- 517 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,000 Nominated. 518 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,000 --under consideration for being a store. 519 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,000 She was so excited. 520 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,000 It was ridiculous. 521 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,000 That's cute. 522 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:31,039 But having said that, one reason I would vote for the Str 523 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:33,000 oud house is because-- 524 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,309 for her house that's in that Stroud area is because I think 525 00:24:36,309 --> 00:24:39,609 that is a really important area for us to turn our sights 526 00:24:39,609 --> 00:24:41,000 to, to try to stabilize. 527 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,779 And this, just like on Congress, might give us a little toe 528 00:24:44,779 --> 00:24:48,500 hold that might really get those neighbors to really start 529 00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:50,000 thinking of stuff. 530 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,349 We've got one property that's already in a historic 531 00:24:52,349 --> 00:24:53,000 district. 532 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,000 I don't know. 533 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,920 I really like the idea of just planting those seeds outside 534 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,000 of the historic districts. 535 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,000 That was actually the one I was favoring as well, the West 536 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,000 Prairie House. 537 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000 So is this the--how many times has this one been up? 538 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,000 Is this its first time? 539 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,000 First. 540 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,000 The first time. 541 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,490 The first for both this and the Robert Street, which I 542 00:25:12,490 --> 00:25:16,420 think it's really important to also consider many more of 543 00:25:16,420 --> 00:25:19,000 the historic mid-century houses, 544 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,619 especially since there just really aren't as many, I feel 545 00:25:23,619 --> 00:25:28,819 like, in stock for that really cool mid-century, not just 546 00:25:28,819 --> 00:25:32,000 the 1968 Prairie House, 547 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:37,039 which that ranch style is awesome, but I mean, these are a 548 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:39,000 lot harder to find. 549 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,619 But we will have another opportunity to vote on those two 550 00:25:42,619 --> 00:25:44,000 again, correct? 551 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,000 Yes. 552 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,000 Yes. 553 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,660 I just, just as a note, I believe that--I did knock on the 554 00:25:47,660 --> 00:25:48,000 door. 555 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,630 He wants to landmark that house, and I want to say she told 556 00:25:51,630 --> 00:25:53,000 me the same thing. 557 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,000 I love that. 558 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,000 So that's just-- 559 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000 Yay. 560 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000 Cool. 561 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,150 All right, well, do we want to go ahead and take a--is 562 00:26:02,150 --> 00:26:04,000 there any more discussion? 563 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000 All things up? 564 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,000 Great. 565 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,000 Cool. 566 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,000 Let's go ahead and take a vote. 567 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,660 If you are wanting to vote for the White Stroud House, 568 00:26:12,660 --> 00:26:15,000 please raise your hand. 569 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,000 One, two, three. 570 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000 That's 411 West Prairie, right? 571 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,000 Yes, sir. 572 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Got it. 573 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,000 The West Prairie House. 574 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,000 Four. 575 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,000 All right. 576 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,000 That one won. 577 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,000 Four or five. 578 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,000 But Kenneth, I would--oh, do I have to vote on all of them? 579 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,509 I would think--just if somebody makes a motion, just a 580 00:26:28,509 --> 00:26:29,000 second, just a comment on all of these, 581 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,000 I think, just so I can-- 582 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,000 Oh. 583 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,000 Because it's actually--just to select, so that you're-- 584 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,000 We always just voted before. 585 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,000 Okay. 586 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,000 Well, can we vote and then make a motion? 587 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,000 Sure. 588 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,000 Okay. 589 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,000 It's just someone motorized it. 590 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,000 That's fine. 591 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,000 That's fine. 592 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,000 Okay. 593 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,000 We can do that. 594 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,000 All right. 595 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:43,640 I move we approve the home at 411 West Prairie Street as 596 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:44,000 our House of the Month. 597 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,000 I second the motion. 598 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,000 Excellent. 599 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,000 All in favor? 600 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,000 Aye. 601 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,000 All right. 602 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,000 All right. 603 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:58,240 So that moves--we have selected the Prairie House. 604 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,240 It's so cute. 605 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,240 All right. 606 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,170 Kenneth, I would like to ask you, which one were you going 607 00:27:06,170 --> 00:27:07,240 to vote for? 608 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,240 C. 609 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,240 Oh, I like that one too. 610 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,240 It's always been on. 611 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,240 It's always been on. 612 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,240 Okay. 613 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:12,980 So, I would like to ask you, which one were you going to 614 00:27:12,980 --> 00:27:13,240 vote for? 615 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,240 C. 616 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,240 Oh, I like that one too. 617 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,240 It's always been on. 618 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,240 Okay. 619 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:17,980 So, I would like to ask you, which one were you going to 620 00:27:17,980 --> 00:27:18,240 vote for? 621 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,240 C. 622 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,240 Oh, I like that one too. 623 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,240 It's always been on. 624 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,240 You know, it's really hard to not like any of those. 625 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,240 It is. 626 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,240 Yeah. 627 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,240 Well, sometimes it's just-- 628 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:25,769 Y'all, you will make a person who has had a lot of bad 629 00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:26,240 illness and a lot of bad things 630 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,240 happen very happy. 631 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,240 Oh, good. 632 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,240 That doesn't matter, but she will be really thrilled. 633 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,240 Excellent. 634 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,240 All right. 635 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,900 You have to be hard and fast on that three times in your 636 00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:38,240 rule because it's hard. 637 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,240 Can we bring back a best of at the end of the year? 638 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,400 I didn't even like making rules for that. 639 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,349 That was--we had--we remember we were--oh, let's formalize 640 00:27:48,349 --> 00:27:48,799 it. 641 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:50,759 I was trying to keep it loose, but I don't know why. 642 00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:51,759 It seems like a fun thing. 643 00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:53,759 We can always loosen those rules back up. 644 00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:54,759 I'm just saying. 645 00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:57,759 And so, Helen, if you want, we can bring one of them in. 646 00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:00,759 Well, I mean, it's just a gorgeous house. 647 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,759 I hate for it to be out of consideration forever. 648 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:04,759 It's, you know-- 649 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:05,759 Forever. 650 00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:07,089 Maybe--actually, I don't think we said how long it won't be 651 00:28:07,089 --> 00:28:07,759 in consideration. 652 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:08,759 Oh, maybe it's just the next meeting. 653 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:09,759 Yeah, just to keep going. 654 00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:10,759 All right. 655 00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:11,759 Yeah. 656 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:12,759 All right. 657 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,259 Let's go on to D, the Historic Landmark Commission Project 658 00:28:15,259 --> 00:28:15,759 Matrix. 659 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:19,759 Are there any items that need to be added or updated on the 660 00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:21,759 project matrix? 661 00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:22,759 No? 662 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,759 Not in there? 663 00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:30,759 Where are we on local designation of downtown? 664 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,759 Yeah, good question. 665 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:34,759 Because it-- 666 00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:35,759 Okay. 667 00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:39,819 I can update you that we just met--presented that to 668 00:28:39,819 --> 00:28:41,759 Planning and Zoning. 669 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:42,759 Okay. 670 00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:43,759 The Design District. 671 00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:47,759 I'm not sure it actually has an official name yet. 672 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:53,109 But that Design District was presented to P&Z for their 673 00:28:53,109 --> 00:28:53,759 input. 674 00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:56,740 And we're taking that back and going to take into 675 00:28:56,740 --> 00:28:58,759 consideration their recommendations. 676 00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:01,759 And I believe--oh, no, it's going to City Council. 677 00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:03,759 Richard may be able to come in. 678 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:06,759 It went to P&Z for a work session item. 679 00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:07,759 Okay. 680 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:10,009 It'll now go back to City Council for a work session just 681 00:29:10,009 --> 00:29:11,759 to update them on all of the 682 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:13,759 input that was received. 683 00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:18,759 From that point, any sort of final direction from Council, 684 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:20,759 it'll get memorialized into 685 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,759 an ordinance. 686 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:25,759 And then we'll kind of go back on the circuit, if you will, 687 00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:27,759 meeting with the property owners, 688 00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:32,700 business owners, the various groups that we met with within 689 00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:33,759 the area. 690 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:37,509 It'll come back to HLC, go to P&Z for formal recommendation 691 00:29:37,509 --> 00:29:39,759 , and then to City Council for 692 00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:41,759 formal adoption. 693 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:42,759 Okay. 694 00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:43,759 Great. 695 00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:46,980 And it's been unanimously supported in every group that it 696 00:29:46,980 --> 00:29:47,759 's been to. 697 00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:49,759 That's what I wanted to ask. 698 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:51,759 As Scott emphasizes, there's not been one. 699 00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:54,440 Scott McDonald, the development director, has said that 700 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,759 there's been no opposition to 701 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:56,759 that. 702 00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:57,759 So it's just a matter of not working. 703 00:29:57,759 --> 00:29:58,759 There's been no opposition on P&Z. 704 00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:02,759 There's been no open opposition yet from outside sources. 705 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:03,759 Okay. 706 00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:04,759 Great. 707 00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:07,759 What's the timeframe if everything keeps going? 708 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:08,759 Positively. 709 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:12,759 Positively, and then when would it be designated? 710 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:16,539 Well, this isn't for the designation of -- this is just 711 00:30:16,539 --> 00:30:22,759 getting the design guidelines in place. 712 00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:23,759 That's what we're -- 713 00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:24,759 Yes, that's right. 714 00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:29,759 I mean, we're moving at a pretty rapid pace. 715 00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:30,759 I think it's just as -- 716 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:31,759 Within the -- 717 00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:35,099 Get on every agenda and keep -- nothing slowed it down 718 00:30:35,099 --> 00:30:37,759 except just the sequence of the meetings. 719 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:42,630 I suspect by the summer, June, maybe July, the very latest, 720 00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:44,759 that this would be adopted. 721 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:47,329 And the only reason is because of the advertising of when 722 00:30:47,329 --> 00:30:48,759 we can have those meetings. 723 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:50,759 There's typically a 30-day notice requirement. 724 00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:53,759 That would be the only holdup. 725 00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:55,759 Okay, so there's two items up there. 726 00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:58,059 There's the design guidelines, and then there's the local 727 00:30:58,059 --> 00:30:58,759 designation. 728 00:30:58,759 --> 00:30:59,759 Right. 729 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,759 So what's the status on that? 730 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:03,759 Yeah, the design guidelines. 731 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:04,759 That's what I was -- 732 00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:07,759 Well, that's for the historic district. 733 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:08,759 The local designation. 734 00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:13,759 Well, what's going to happen is that this will create, in 735 00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:16,759 essence, an overlay that will 736 00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:18,759 require certificates of appropriateness. 737 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,660 So it's not being called a local historic district, but 738 00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:24,759 then it is being unanimously 739 00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:26,759 supported, however we're calling it. 740 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:30,779 So it's going forward nicely, and there have been efforts 741 00:31:30,779 --> 00:31:32,759 in the past to create a local 742 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,700 historic district over downtown, and sometimes, for 743 00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:37,759 whatever reason, those have gotten held 744 00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:38,759 up. 745 00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:41,470 But here we're going about it a little differently, and 746 00:31:41,470 --> 00:31:43,759 they started by meeting with the business 747 00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:46,980 community at a restaurant and business owners and got that 748 00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:48,759 support early on, and it seems 749 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:50,759 to have the support. 750 00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:53,440 So it may be that it's a local -- it's not really a 751 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,759 designation of downtown in the sense 752 00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:59,490 of a locally designated district, but it is creating a 753 00:31:59,490 --> 00:32:01,759 district that we can protect. 754 00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:02,759 Yes. 755 00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:03,759 Okay. 756 00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:07,039 Thinking of the design guidelines, this is just slightly 757 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:08,759 off, but where are we with the 758 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:12,000 final city council presentation for the design guidelines 759 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,759 for the historic district that 760 00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:15,759 we changed? 761 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:16,759 For Bell Avenue? 762 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:17,759 No. 763 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:20,759 For Bell and for just all the design guidelines? 764 00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:22,759 That was -- you mean the ordinance changes? 765 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:23,759 Yeah, the ordinance changes. 766 00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:24,759 Or preservation organizations. 767 00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:25,759 Yeah. 768 00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:26,759 Those are just waiting. 769 00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:30,779 The Denton Development Code review process, we've just had 770 00:32:30,779 --> 00:32:32,759 about seven meetings within 771 00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:37,259 the community to refine the Development Code amendments or 772 00:32:37,259 --> 00:32:39,759 revisions, and we're going to 773 00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:44,380 just dovetail in those preservation ordinance changes into 774 00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:46,759 that when that gets approved. 775 00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:50,690 And I think we're just a few months from that same period, 776 00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:51,759 maybe July. 777 00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:53,759 Richard, could you speak to that? 778 00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:55,759 Yeah, we're looking at -- we'll have a -- the full -- 779 00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:58,759 The full consolidated draft. 780 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,759 If you recall, we've taken a number of modules. 781 00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:04,859 What we've now done is really put that together into a full 782 00:33:04,859 --> 00:33:06,759 consolidated draft, which will 783 00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,759 be out within the next couple weeks. 784 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:12,960 But once that goes out again, we'll be moving pretty 785 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,759 rapidly. 786 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:18,140 But that's looking to be adopted in August, I think, is the 787 00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:19,759 latest schedule. 788 00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:24,380 What we can do is have Roman provide everyone a copy of the 789 00:33:24,380 --> 00:33:26,759 latest schedule, where those 790 00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:29,759 amendments are and how that's moving through the process. 791 00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:30,759 That helps. 792 00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:34,490 And we're not discussing that those preservation ordinances 793 00:33:34,490 --> 00:33:36,759 , at least at this point, are going 794 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:37,759 to be altered significantly. 795 00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:40,980 It's just a matter of having the numbers match and going 796 00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:42,759 into the Development Code. 797 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:44,759 Yeah, it just got incorporated in. 798 00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,759 Actually, I don't think anything has changed since P&Z. 799 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:48,759 Yeah. 800 00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:49,759 Right. 801 00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:50,759 I know. 802 00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:52,759 I'm just eager to get the historic designation down. 803 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:53,759 Sure. 804 00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:54,759 Absolutely. 805 00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:57,079 And I know it keeps getting tied to this, which keeps 806 00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:58,759 getting pushed farther and farther 807 00:33:58,759 --> 00:33:59,759 back. 808 00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:02,039 We thought that was going to supposedly be done last 809 00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:03,759 November, so -- or last December, 810 00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:04,759 excuse me. 811 00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:05,759 It's hard to wait. 812 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:06,759 No, I understand that. 813 00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:09,760 It's definitely hard for me, too. 814 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,510 And especially with the preservation plan RFP, which we 815 00:34:12,510 --> 00:34:13,760 just met with on that. 816 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,010 So we'll be -- there's an RFP, we'll be reviewing those and 817 00:34:17,010 --> 00:34:18,760 we're starting that process right 818 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,760 behind there, too. 819 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,760 Great. 820 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:21,760 Okay. 821 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,760 Is there anything that needs to be added to the matrix? 822 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,619 Other than Yahoo for the downtown progress, that's 823 00:34:30,619 --> 00:34:31,760 fantastic. 824 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,760 Okay. 825 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:33,760 Good work, you guys, on that. 826 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,760 It's needed. 827 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,760 Yes, it is. 828 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,289 A giant hole in the middle of downtown is a terrifying 829 00:34:40,289 --> 00:34:42,760 reality that we have to deal with. 830 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,159 That and just any building wanting to redevelop or redesign 831 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,760 , there's really nothing that we 832 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,760 could -- 833 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,760 Exactly. 834 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,760 -- hold their feet to the fire on. 835 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:53,760 Right. 836 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,760 Kind of shocking. 837 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:55,760 Yeah. 838 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:56,760 This was such a good way to go about that. 839 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:57,539 We've been looking at how to tackle that problem for so 840 00:34:57,539 --> 00:34:57,760 long. 841 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,760 No, it happened at just the right time. 842 00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:59,760 Okay. 843 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:00,760 All right. 844 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:01,510 Well, then I think we are done, which means I can call this 845 00:35:01,510 --> 00:35:01,760 meeting. 846 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:14,760 It's a conclusion, right? 847 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,760 There's no other business, right? 848 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,760 Then I can adjourn this meeting at 6 45 p.m. 849 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,760 Good job. 850 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,760 Good job. 851 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:31,760 Thank you.