WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.200 to the city of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for Wednesday, September 8th, 2021. 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:12.720 This is our work session and with a quorum present, I will call us to order at 5.02 p.m. 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:18.800 Let me take a quick moment to welcome a new commissioner for his first meeting, Commissioner Villarreal. 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:21.200 Happy to have you here. Welcome. 00:00:21.200 --> 00:00:30.720 Also, note, commissioners, that we're having a technology issue here. 00:00:30.720 --> 00:00:36.600 Oh, well, it might be fixed because now I see the button is lit, so we may not be. 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:39.400 So we'll try the request to speak and vote on the board. 00:00:39.400 --> 00:00:41.200 If it doesn't, we'll go back old school. 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:48.840 OK, our first item on the agenda is citizen comment for consent agenda. 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:52.440 Stewart, do you happen to be up in the sky there? 00:00:52.440 --> 00:00:55.400 No callers for the consent agenda. 00:00:55.400 --> 00:00:57.040 Very good. Thank you much. 00:00:57.040 --> 00:00:59.640 OK, then work session reports. 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:08.760 Let's receive a report and hold a discussion regarding Discover Denton. 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:36.160 All right, well, good evening, afternoon, evening. 00:01:36.160 --> 00:01:42.320 What are we at? Hi, everybody. 00:01:42.320 --> 00:01:45.000 This is Jessica Robinson, our director of marketing. 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:49.360 And then we have Aaron Carter, who's just watching from the back, our president of the Chamber of Commerce. 00:01:49.360 --> 00:01:52.160 Everybody knows Aaron. Appreciate the time today. 00:01:52.160 --> 00:01:59.360 We're just here to tell you a little bit about ourselves, what we've been doing lately, some of our new go to market strategy that we've put together. 00:01:59.360 --> 00:02:09.360 And obviously, as we look towards the Denton 2040 in the future, everything as the town's developing and everything you guys are planning, how that ties in with the tourism component. 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:18.920 So a little bit about us today, Discover Denton, we're a destination marketing organization. 00:02:18.920 --> 00:02:22.680 So you probably known as formerly as the Denton Convention and Visitors Bureau. 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:24.480 You guys might have heard that term before. 00:02:24.480 --> 00:02:39.680 It's actually the CVV is a term that has kind of phased out over the last decade. And we adopted a no more action oriented word, a descriptive word of our organization about a year ago, part of our kind of our new brand launch and became Discover Denton. 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:46.080 It was already our URL. It was things we're using in campaign, but it just made a lot more sense. It's very similar to surrounding cities. 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:50.360 You've got your visit Dallas and visit Fort Worth. They're all using different kind of words like that. 00:02:50.360 --> 00:03:02.680 So really our mission that Discover Denton is to market and promote Denton in order to generate demand for the destination, creating a positive economic impact on the community. 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:07.720 And that really sums up everything we're doing as we do this with our sales and services team, our marketing team. 00:03:07.720 --> 00:03:17.960 And then we have our downtown visitor center right on the square where we also are hosting customers and guests down there. 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:25.280 So a little bit about what we do and again how we do this. In short, we are a tourism engine for Denton. 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:34.000 We're kind of the amplification. We're the big microphone always talking about Denton and what there is to do here for tourism and conventions. 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:41.040 We have our website. We have some great SEO tools, our social channels. We're out there meeting with meeting and event planners. 00:03:41.040 --> 00:03:46.360 So again, always constantly with the goal of trying to draw people to Denton and stay in our hotels overnight. 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:49.920 Organizations funded 100 percent by the hotel occupancy taxes. 00:03:49.920 --> 00:03:57.840 So it's very important for us that the hotels are doing well and that we're driving revenue to the hotels in order to get those taxes up. 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:03.920 And just to touch a little bit on that, that tourism is such a big industry in Denton. 00:04:03.920 --> 00:04:10.600 According to the Texas Economic Development report from 2019, because 2020, we threw everything out. 00:04:10.600 --> 00:04:17.520 They're not counting out, but in Denton itself, there was 220 million dollars of economic impact just from tourism related business. 00:04:17.520 --> 00:04:23.360 And that generated about seven point six, seven point six million dollars in tax receipts to the city. 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:29.400 So again, it's a huge, it's a huge industry for Denton that represented about 1900 jobs in 2019, 2020. 00:04:29.400 --> 00:04:32.880 Obviously, there was a dip, but we're getting things back to normal here in 2021. 00:04:32.880 --> 00:04:37.880 And so it's looking good moving forward. 00:04:37.880 --> 00:04:41.720 We're going to. Now, this is just a list of some of our hotels. 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:43.720 Hopefully you recognize most of these brands, Denton. 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:51.960 If you if you don't know, we have 25 hotels here in Denton represent about 2500 hotel rooms and about 100000 square feet of meeting and event space. 00:04:51.960 --> 00:04:57.280 So we do have, you know, other than the embassy suites, which a lot of people realize that's the big Denton Convention Center. 00:04:57.280 --> 00:05:02.720 There are 24 other hotels, limited service hotels, economy hotels, but these hotels are very important to us. 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:07.840 Those are all brands. You know, when you put them on a chart here like this, you can recognize there's, you know, every national brand is here. 00:05:07.840 --> 00:05:12.720 And so we're real proud of that. And it gives us a nice palette of offerings. 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:20.400 And we're again talking about driving people to Denton for those overnight stays. 00:05:20.400 --> 00:05:24.080 So so part in the last year, year and a half, we've kind of refreshed a lot of things. 00:05:24.080 --> 00:05:30.040 We've got a whole new team that has kind of come on board, obviously, with covid and everything going on, things have all reset. 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:34.280 We looked at the agencies we were using. We were looking at the marketing strategies. 00:05:34.280 --> 00:05:40.880 Jessica came on board with us about a year ago and we really, really for a whole year was revamping everything, building a new website. 00:05:40.880 --> 00:05:44.400 And we partnered with a new digital agency called BuzzShift. 00:05:44.400 --> 00:05:48.280 And they're really kind of the point of us being here today after talking with Tim. 00:05:48.280 --> 00:05:55.600 And he thought it was real important to get out in front of front of these commissioners, the board here to talk about some of the things we're doing, some of the things that are in market. 00:05:55.600 --> 00:06:04.720 Hopefully, you're already seeing some of that and to see how that ties into the future of Denton and how we're trying to build things and move forward in the tourism and convention industry. 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:07.320 Pull it over to Jessica here and she'll walk you through the rest. 00:06:07.320 --> 00:06:11.520 Hello. Hi. Can everybody hear me? 00:06:11.520 --> 00:06:18.760 Yes. So, again, Jessica Robinson, I've been here about a year and it was a really interesting time, obviously, to join the team. 00:06:18.760 --> 00:06:30.840 But it did allow us time to reset and think through how we were presenting ourselves, our messaging, who we're targeting and creative assets, everything, the channels that were present in as well. 00:06:30.840 --> 00:06:37.960 We took that time. We did an audit of the past five years of content, looked at everything on our website. 00:06:37.960 --> 00:06:40.920 We went through Google Analytics. 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:56.720 We engaged everybody that, you know, any sort of document that we could find, a strategic document, frameworks, vision documents, compiled all of that into reports, handed that over to BuzzShift, who, again, their roots are in Denton. 00:06:56.720 --> 00:07:09.800 And they presented us with a go to market strategy that's about 100 pages of just learnings and ways that we can reestablish ourselves and go back out with a stronger message, 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:18.560 a defined message and get ourselves back into some digital media as well. 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:25.880 So through all the documents, it was important for us to start narrowing down again who we are and what we stand for. 00:07:25.880 --> 00:07:30.600 So we did identify a unique selling proposition for Denton. 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:43.880 That is a welcoming community of unconventional character and charm. Denton offers unique experiences and unforgettable memories to vacationers and conference planners looking to experience something different. 00:07:43.880 --> 00:07:54.840 We also identified brand principles for Denton. We're diverse, we're authentic, we're creative and we're community centered. 00:07:54.840 --> 00:08:04.400 From this, we developed brand positioning and we have two different customers. We have a leisure traveler and a business to business traveler. 00:08:04.400 --> 00:08:17.920 So Denton offers experiences built around small businesses, culture and history, conference and expo experiences fold into the city and then Denton Square, taking visitors from day to night to morning. 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:28.040 Denton offers an escape from the same old experience found in any town USA. The unique culture of Denton offers big city amenities with small town surprises. 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:37.920 The culture of Denton is shaped by born here, raised here, business owners, visitors from all over and weekenders turned into residents. 00:08:37.920 --> 00:08:47.480 And again, we have a statement now for the leisure traveler and business traveler, and this has been used to develop all of our content to present. 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:56.880 So the perfect weekend getaway is for our leisure traveler. Whether you're looking to escape the bustle of the large metropolis or just looking for new experiences, 00:08:56.880 --> 00:09:05.360 Denton offers the perfect weekend escape for you to relax, unwind and experience the charm and character of a city that's uniquely different. 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:12.080 From eclectic craft breweries and eateries to shopping and antiquing, Denton has something for everyone. 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:21.400 And then for the meeting or event planner, we have the ideal conference destination. Denton is a perfect destination for conferences of all sizes and types. 00:09:21.400 --> 00:09:31.920 Whether you're looking for an area to connect with teams and mentors via fireside chats or you're looking for large spaces solely for you and your attendees, Denton has what you need. 00:09:31.920 --> 00:09:39.480 After your events, Denton offers eateries, brew houses, taprooms and more, all within a short distance of the convention center. 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:45.000 So these statements were important because in the past, most of our creative was just a one size fits all. 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:51.760 So now we have different statements for the different audiences and creative that's beginning to reflect that. 00:09:51.760 --> 00:09:59.440 And it's been important for us to go around and speak to groups like yourselves so that we can begin to share these, how we're positioning ourselves. 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:10.440 So if there's any feedback that you have to we're very open to that, because again, this is still very much a process and a journey. 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:16.400 From that, we started developing all of the different topics that we can talk about within Denton. 00:10:16.400 --> 00:10:20.880 And this list is ever growing. There's no shortage of stories to tell. 00:10:20.880 --> 00:10:29.120 But we chose this bubble map and started to identify the key things that have stories around it. 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:37.280 This content I'll share on the next one, but comes through in videos and blogs and emails, newsletters. 00:10:37.280 --> 00:10:51.480 There's so many opportunities with so many channels, but we wanted to make sure that we were being direct and we were starting to focus on key things, key highlights within Denton. 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:59.040 And then developing an ongoing content series, we are being very direct in the types of things that we're putting out. 00:10:59.040 --> 00:11:12.920 The channels that we're using. So we have new blog posts, again, the email, speaking to other business owners, getting out to learn all of the stories that we have, partnering with other businesses. 00:11:12.920 --> 00:11:19.640 If there are things that may not make sense for us to talk about, how can we help somebody else share that message? 00:11:19.640 --> 00:11:25.680 And our team supports all of the things. I think on one of the first slides, it was all the channels that were in for social. 00:11:25.680 --> 00:11:34.320 I mean, we're constantly churning out content, constantly working to get these messages out. 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:44.280 And so partnering with everybody in our businesses, hotels, I mean, everybody that we can find, restaurants, retail. 00:11:44.280 --> 00:11:48.840 We started developing these content frameworks for every single month. 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:52.800 These identify the stories that we'll be talking about. 00:11:52.800 --> 00:11:56.840 Jessica, excuse me, can you stay by the microphone? Yeah, that way they can hear you. 00:11:56.840 --> 00:11:59.760 Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for that. 00:11:59.760 --> 00:12:04.720 These begin to identify the main topics that we speak about each month. 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:12.480 Opportunities, too, from our businesses, if there's any of the pop culture events that may make sense for them that we can help with. 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:18.720 The big area events that we have coming up in Denton County, conferences that are coming into town. 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:25.560 This helps our businesses plan. If there is a big event coming, we want to make sure that they're aware of that and staffed properly. 00:12:25.560 --> 00:12:31.120 And then the upcoming next month's events, what we hope to be talking about. 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:37.000 So this is, you know, helped with as we've gone and started meeting with people throughout the city. 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:48.000 This has been such a great tool so that we're all aligned on our messaging, our strategy and what we're talking about from a tourism point of view. 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:56.800 Then an output of this, we have a guide that we give out every single month that shares all of these wonderful stories that we have. 00:12:56.800 --> 00:13:05.480 So this is a printed piece. We send it out again to all of our business owners, everybody in the city, residents, hotels, restaurants, 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:15.280 so that everybody has an idea of what's going on that month, the stories that we're telling and then, you know, anything else that's just coming up on the radar. 00:13:15.280 --> 00:13:23.720 We also give people reasons to come to Denton with perfect weekends, outdoor adventures and the exhibits that are coming up. 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:30.880 But again, all of this is very thoughtful. It's the branding is now on point. 00:13:30.880 --> 00:13:37.880 Everybody's using the same documents as we start to talk to our tourism. 00:13:37.880 --> 00:13:49.760 We also have revised most of our collateral. So for our meeting and event planners, we have a meet in Denton guide that gives you all of the reasons to hold your conference or event in Denton. 00:13:49.760 --> 00:13:56.160 We have a top 10 reasons to meet in Denton. 00:13:56.160 --> 00:14:07.360 New signage for when we're going to expose and events and then custom collateral, such as this little piece right here that. 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:19.120 This that we developed for some of our VIP meeting and event planners when they come in for a meeting, it's a placemat that has information about Denton itself, where we're located. 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:26.680 And then QR codes that take you to all of the places on the website for your itinerary, your venues or things to do. 00:14:26.680 --> 00:14:38.680 So constantly again, branding Denton, making sure that we're all aligned on our messaging and showcasing the many great things to do in Denton. 00:14:38.680 --> 00:14:46.120 With all of this or go to market, we've launched some paid media, and this is where the assets start to come together. 00:14:46.120 --> 00:15:05.680 And I'll play those. Hopefully you've seen some of these may not be sound. 00:15:05.680 --> 00:15:09.400 So these have started playing on Instagram on Facebook. 00:15:09.400 --> 00:15:18.560 We also have Google search that's gone out paid search and we're continuing to test or making sure that the audience is correct. 00:15:18.560 --> 00:15:20.360 We're looking at insights differently. 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:29.720 We're creating dashboards of analytics, so this very much is still a test and learn process, but it is working. 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:50.840 Which I play off. Yeah, I'm playing another one. They're supposed to be music. That's OK. It's there. 00:15:50.840 --> 00:16:06.280 OK, we also have organic social. 00:16:06.280 --> 00:16:09.720 We're in on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and Pinterest. 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:14.920 Pinterest is actually one of the top channels to plan any sort of travel. 00:16:14.920 --> 00:16:21.720 So we've revised our whole experience on that, making sure that we have itineraries. 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:28.360 We're highlighting events that are happening and paying attention to the trends on Pinterest as well. 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:37.640 How people are planning as of right now, we have a target of weekenders 21 through 45 as our main target. 00:16:37.640 --> 00:16:44.440 But that's continuing to evolve as we build out content, build out campaigns or adding on to that. 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:48.600 But our organic social has performed quite well. 00:16:48.600 --> 00:17:01.360 Again, we're partnering, showing, highlighting people that are coming into the city, sharing their content as well, paying attention and engaging has been phenomenal. 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:02.960 And then amplification. 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:12.760 So we've created lots of new assets that we're starting to share that that really start to tell the story of Denton, making sure that we're paying attention to our top. 00:17:12.760 --> 00:17:19.160 You know, the reasons to come here, branding the important assets of our city. 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:28.200 As Mike mentioned earlier, we relaunched our Web site that happened in February and our search traffic to the Web site has increased by 700 percent here today. 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:31.200 So these are big jumps that we're making. 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:36.200 And again, they're working. 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:46.440 And then we don't have any sound of this one of the one of the other kind of kind of neat and different activations we did this year. 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:57.160 We had an opportunity to with the launch of the Web site in February, we had an opportunity to partner with the NASCAR Xfinity racing team and sponsor a NASCAR. 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:00.840 As you can see, there is a driver, Tommy, Joe Martin's. 00:18:00.840 --> 00:18:09.040 What we did is we to get ahead of things, so we sponsored it in the Las Vegas race, which was in March, which is one of the most televised, highest viewed races. 00:18:09.040 --> 00:18:15.200 And it was to promote not only the new Web site, the race car actually has the same colors and look and feel the Web site. 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:20.160 So the aesthetics of it was a really unique way to market and promote the new Web site. 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:30.800 But as well as talk about Denton as an option for, you know, we're a proximity to Texas Motor Speedway, you know, in Denton County, just 15, 20 minutes away in our hotels are popular for fans. 00:18:30.800 --> 00:18:39.360 So we were talking to the teams and the fans was getting out ahead of it to promote the race that we had in June, as well as the upcoming there's a race in October, the playoff races. 00:18:39.360 --> 00:18:42.000 So this was a great clip. 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:50.400 If we could hear it and we could send it to you, we got a great commercial, almost about a 30 second commercial here when our driver was running in the top 10. 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:56.640 They came out of a commercial and they talked about then we got a new sponsor on board and they're promoting hotel packages to Denton. 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:58.040 And so it was really great. 00:18:58.040 --> 00:19:00.480 That was kind of a bonus because you never know what you're going to get from that. 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:05.640 But we got a lot of good TV time, tremendous Web site and social traffic over those dates. 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:17.800 And then the caveat was when the Texas race occurred June 12th, we had the race car here in town on Denton up on the square in front of the visitor center for a three hour meet and greet with the driver. 00:19:17.800 --> 00:19:25.720 It was a way to draw hundreds of people to come meet the driver and sign autographs and come into the visitor center and again, just generate some business downtown on. 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:30.840 And otherwise, it was a Friday afternoon from 12 to three where, you know, other than that lunch period, it slows down a little bit. 00:19:30.840 --> 00:19:32.800 So that was kind of a unique, different thing. 00:19:32.800 --> 00:19:34.320 You could see there's a photo of Gerard. 00:19:34.320 --> 00:19:36.440 He was an honorary crew member. 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:37.840 He got his pit crew shirt. 00:19:37.840 --> 00:19:40.800 And so we were really excited about that. 00:19:40.800 --> 00:19:43.640 And again, this is just something different and unique and out of the box. 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:45.160 We had an opportunity to do it. 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:47.400 It was based on a relationship we had with the team. 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:49.240 So it wasn't a big expense at all. 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:52.680 Believe it or not, it really was very minimal expense. 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:58.360 And but but the the bang we've gotten from it has been, you know, 50 fold of what we did at least. 00:19:58.360 --> 00:20:03.920 And so, again, just trying to do something different and establish ourselves as, hey, Denton, we're really close to that racetrack. 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:05.240 And that's a way to fill hotels. 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:07.640 We can get these people to stay up here. 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:09.280 And we had a lot of success with that, too. 00:20:09.280 --> 00:20:13.800 So we're looking forward to the October race and have another sold out weekend. 00:20:13.800 --> 00:20:19.400 But all of this activations, the content that we're putting out, it's all working together. 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:32.680 We're all trying to stay within a color palette, following the Web site, the tone that we're using, that the copy, you know, it's it's very conversational. 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:34.640 We're we're an easy town to love. 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:37.000 So we're trying to get that across. 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:42.120 But a lot of the insights that we're pulling to the analytics, you know, who's coming to Denton? 00:20:42.120 --> 00:20:48.360 We do have all of this. So if there are any discussions that you're having where that would be helpful, we're happy to share that, 00:20:48.360 --> 00:20:51.160 especially as you're looking forward as well. 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:57.400 And any documents that you have, planning documents, making sure that we have a conversation or sharing those with us as well, 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:08.760 because if you're positioning Denton in a certain light, we want to make sure that we're cognizant of that and paying attention to those words. 00:21:08.760 --> 00:21:11.160 And with that, yeah, it's just wrapping it up there. 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:14.000 It's kind of the overall what we do and open it up here. 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:20.000 Any questions anyone might have for us or ideas you have to help promote the city? 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:24.640 We're here for every day. We're looking at an awesome presentation, you guys. 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:27.720 You mean it's exciting. Yeah. 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:35.840 Commissioner Smith. They all for coming out, appreciate it. 00:21:35.840 --> 00:21:38.600 And that's awesome. Awesome presentation. 00:21:38.600 --> 00:21:43.440 And it's glad to see the branding from a from a commission standpoint that, you know, 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:47.600 the tourism and the visitors that come to town, you know, 00:21:47.600 --> 00:21:52.880 our our first thought process for doing planning and zoning is really from the residents of the town. 00:21:52.880 --> 00:22:01.120 But being able to see the way that you guys are marketing the city and doing a great job at it helps us with understanding, 00:22:01.120 --> 00:22:04.160 you know, as we start looking at some of the small area plans, things like that, 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:09.000 that we can work on and focusing on gateways and what that looks like as visitors are coming into town, 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:16.840 that we can align with that, that what what our marketing branch with the CBB or discovered didn't do for us 00:22:16.840 --> 00:22:22.320 and bringing in that hotel occupancy tax to the city and bringing in sales tax to the city 00:22:22.320 --> 00:22:24.840 that we need to be on the line with that as well as we're doing planning and zoning. 00:22:24.840 --> 00:22:27.880 So I appreciate the presentation. Thanks for coming out. Thank you. 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:30.200 You know, and just real quick, one other thing that ties in well, you know, 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:35.920 you get these visitors sometimes to come to a convention or to a festival that they're not they're not residents yet. 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:39.640 They're just coming to visit, but it gets them to see the town and get exposed to it. 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:43.480 And they may one day turn into a resident or a business owner, you know, or, you know. 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:45.600 And so that's again, we're trying to amplify that message. 00:22:45.600 --> 00:22:49.200 And, you know, there's so much clutter in the DFW area. 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:53.600 There's so many other cities and so many things to do with seven, eight million people. 00:22:53.600 --> 00:22:57.760 But it's getting them up here. And we've had tremendous success where it's amazing how many times people come up here. 00:22:57.760 --> 00:23:01.680 And, you know, they were a North Texas grad 25 years ago and they just haven't been up here yet. 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:05.400 They get up here for a convention or meeting and say, I had no idea you had all this. 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:08.200 We didn't know. So it's really rewarding when we see that. 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:09.760 But there definitely is a time for that. 00:23:09.760 --> 00:23:14.640 So, yes, as you are planning things, you know, sports and recreation facilities, that's a big draw. 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:17.480 Wedding facilities. So all those kind of things help draw. 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:21.960 And at the end of the day, you have people to stay overnight and and spend money in our city. 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:26.480 And that's what we want. Thank you again, Commissioner Anderson. 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:28.640 Yeah, first of all, I'd like to thank you all for the presentation. 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:32.400 It was very nice. And as a resident born and raised here in Denton, 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:38.360 it's good to see somebody step up and take this action to promote the city. 00:23:38.360 --> 00:23:42.760 I've never seen anything done like this for the city before, and I want to thank you all for doing that. 00:23:42.760 --> 00:23:46.960 But my only question is, who came up with the hippiest city? 00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:54.360 I'd rather see it say the happiest city, but because I know people that live outside of Denton that don't come into town 00:23:54.360 --> 00:23:59.200 because we do have a bad population of the homeless right now. 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:02.640 And I think that kind of gives a negative connotation. That's just my thought. 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:07.960 But but anyway, bringing in all the sales tax dollars that you guys are doing, I think that's tremendous. 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:10.280 And I appreciate that. No, thank you. 00:24:10.280 --> 00:24:14.800 And I will let you know none of that is not a set tagline at all. 00:24:14.800 --> 00:24:19.920 We are testing things. And so feedback like this is very important to see. 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:23.320 What are the proper words for us as we explain the city? 00:24:23.320 --> 00:24:29.120 There's a couple of different headlines that we've been using, and we may, you know, test them out and copy. 00:24:29.120 --> 00:24:34.000 And just see how they perform. But we haven't we're not the hippest little city in Texas yet. 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:38.200 It's not the official tagline because you've been here for a year. 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:42.440 But if you're born and raised here like myself and Commissioner Cole, I mean, Commissioner Cole, 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:48.760 that there is a little area in Denton over on Fry Street, which was the hippie city, I mean, the hippie street. 00:24:48.760 --> 00:24:53.760 And that kind of brings a negative connotation when you think about it, because there is a lot of bad deals that went down over there. 00:24:53.760 --> 00:25:01.160 And but anyway, I'm glad to hear that that's not a yeah. 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:05.920 Well, and both Mike and I went to University of North Texas about a while ago. 00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:09.440 And so now we're back. So I do understand what you're saying about Fry Street. 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:14.080 And so thank you for that. Yeah, thank you. 00:25:14.080 --> 00:25:21.480 Well, if there are any follow up, sir, you'd like to see any more detail, because again, there's a hundred page document. 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:25.280 Please feel free to reach out to myself or to Mike. We're happy to share that again. 00:25:25.280 --> 00:25:27.760 We're happy to share any of the analytics that we have so far. 00:25:27.760 --> 00:25:32.080 What's been working and what we've sunsetted. 00:25:32.080 --> 00:25:34.840 But all of that, we're just thankful for your partnership. 00:25:34.840 --> 00:25:41.280 So thank you. Excellent, Jessica Mike. Thank you so much for coming out when you're taking that. 00:25:41.280 --> 00:25:53.720 You got a souvenir. We got a souvenir. Thank you so much. Thank you. 00:25:53.720 --> 00:26:01.360 OK, next on our work session agenda is clarification of agenda items listed on our agenda for this evening. 00:26:01.360 --> 00:26:13.080 The first being our minutes for the 18th meeting. Are there any questions or clarifications needed on that? 00:26:13.080 --> 00:26:18.480 OK, seeing none, that'll move us to our consent agenda. 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:25.320 Any questions? Clarifications needed on consent. 00:26:25.320 --> 00:26:35.160 OK, then let's move to agenda four, items for individual consideration. 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:38.200 Not exactly sure how to move forward with 4A. 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:47.400 Are we just doing that in regular meeting? Regular meeting? OK. 00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:50.000 Commissioner Smith, did you have a question? 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:57.360 We just have to do that in public, correct? OK, I got you. I didn't hear you. Sorry. 00:26:57.360 --> 00:27:05.200 OK, next is 4B, PP2112B. Hello, Sean. 00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:11.160 Just thought it might help to have this pulled up. 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:17.440 An updated version of this plan was emailed to you all earlier, so all comments have been addressed on this plan. 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:23.000 And we are now updating our recommendation to approval. Yes, I'm happy to answer any questions if you all have them on. 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:29.920 Yeah, that was all emailed out. I believe that was earlier today. Yeah, so everyone received that updated. 00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:39.240 OK, any questions? I do not see any. 00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:48.560 And so we will move to 4C, PP2116. That is Sean's item. That is mine. 00:27:48.560 --> 00:27:53.400 And we are recommending denial, does not meet the established criteria, 00:27:53.400 --> 00:28:02.640 but they request an extension specifically to the September 22nd meeting and staff has no objection to that requested extension. 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:07.920 And I guess my only question on that is, I mean, they get a 30 day extension. 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:13.200 And I know their request was specifically for the 22nd. Is that how we should then proceed? 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:21.640 I mean, if there was something that was not finished by the 22nd, then they could not receive another extension. 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:27.480 They were given the option to choose either P&Z meeting knowing that they had to choose one and they chose to go down. 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:33.120 OK, so that is their request is a date certain of 9/22. Yes, ma'am. 00:28:33.120 --> 00:28:40.800 OK, very good. Any questions? OK, thanks, Sean. 00:28:40.800 --> 00:28:48.360 Next item is for DPP2117. I don't see Karina here. She is calling in this evening. 00:28:48.360 --> 00:28:55.400 She is calling in. Karina, are you there? Yes. Can you hear me? Yes. 00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:59.400 All right. Yes, I decided to do this one from home today. 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:07.000 So the item today is a preliminary plat for a single lot for multifamily that is recommending denial. 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:12.640 However, the applicant has requested a 30 day extension to October the 6th. 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:20.200 And with that, I can answer any questions. Any questions for Karina on this item? 00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:24.400 I don't see any, Karina. Thank you. All right. I got the next item. 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:31.000 That's OK. Oh, very good. Then we'll move to for EPP2118. 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:37.920 All right. This is also a preliminary plat for another single lot for intended multifamily development. 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.360 This item is also being recommended for denial. 00:29:41.360 --> 00:29:48.840 And they recently submitted a request for an extension that was forwarded to P&Z earlier this week. 00:29:48.840 --> 00:29:55.200 Staff does not have any opposition to this request, and I can take any questions on this item. 00:29:55.200 --> 00:30:00.240 Any questions, commissioners, on this item? 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:05.680 There are no questions, Karina. Thanks again. 00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:08.760 That will move us to our public hearings on the agenda. 00:30:08.760 --> 00:30:19.240 Our first is 5A Z2111. Invite Ron up for discussion on this item. 00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:35.160 Thank you, Chair, members of commission. Give me a couple of minutes here or a couple of seconds to share my presentation. 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:53.080 That's the wrong one. Take my glasses off. 00:30:53.080 --> 00:31:15.400 One second. There you go. Sorry about that. 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:20.040 Good evening. Ron Maguero, principal planner with Development Services, Chair, members of commission. 00:31:20.040 --> 00:31:30.600 This item for you, for your consideration for this evening is a zoning change request for a property referred to as Dollar Flowers 380. 00:31:30.600 --> 00:31:43.920 The request is for the rezoning of approximately 9.462 acres, which is being requested from R2, Residential 2, to Light Industrial Zoning District. 00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:52.000 The site is generally located on the northwest intersection of East University or otherwise 380 and North Trinity Road. 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:58.920 The site is outlined here on this slide, outlined in yellow. As you can see, it's a long rectangular shape. 00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:09.160 It primarily is along 380, and it was part of an annexation back in 1969. 00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:19.560 Again, annexed in 1969. Prior to 2002, it was Zoned Agricultural, one of the lowest intense zoning districts. 00:32:19.560 --> 00:32:28.680 In 2002, with a citywide rezoning, the property transitioned to NR2, Neighborhood Residential 2. 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:37.920 And again, in 2019, with the recent rezoning for the city, it was transitioned to R2. 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:45.880 Really just to name it from NR2 to R2, much of the dimensional standards remain the same, but again, R2. 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:54.400 The parcel is currently undeveloped. As you can see from these photos, the property again is along 380. 00:32:54.400 --> 00:33:00.640 This is the intersection. The top image is the intersection of 380 and North Trinity Road. 00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:04.320 There are some landscaping or trees along 380. 00:33:04.320 --> 00:33:12.400 The site below, or the image below, is a photo from Fishtrap Road showing the openness of this property. 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:19.760 Now again, the subject property that we're referring to is really of the area south, or along 380. 00:33:19.760 --> 00:33:26.160 The area to the north, which is owned by the property owner, is not part of this rezoning. 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:31.320 It is just the narrow lot along 380. According to the applicant- 00:33:31.320 --> 00:33:35.840 Excuse me, Ron. I believe Commissioner Smith might have had a question on the slide here. 00:33:35.840 --> 00:33:37.280 Yeah. Thank you, Chair. 00:33:37.280 --> 00:33:43.800 Ron, on that citywide rezoning in 2002, was all of the corridor along 380 rezoned in R2? 00:33:43.800 --> 00:33:48.120 Was that just blankly added in there? Because I see it further down 380 there. 00:33:48.120 --> 00:33:49.760 Do you know much of the history behind that? 00:33:49.760 --> 00:33:53.720 Right. So the zoning prior to 2002- 00:33:53.720 --> 00:34:04.000 It was agriculture, and then it sounds like you said in the citywide rezoning in 2002, all that whole area got rezoned to R2, NR2. 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:04.840 NR2, correct. 00:34:04.840 --> 00:34:08.200 Was there a thought process in taking that agricultural to NR2 in the first place? 00:34:08.200 --> 00:34:18.400 No, I believe the R2 was intended for some sort of density. I think it could have been something RD5 that is. 00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:24.640 However, R2 was selected primarily maybe because there were residential units in the area. 00:34:24.640 --> 00:34:31.120 But I think they were just trying to find a zoning district that was more below as intense and anticipating that there may be some changes. 00:34:31.120 --> 00:34:33.840 So it was more of a holding zoning for what it was? 00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:40.200 That's my assumption. Again, a lot of these properties were vacant, but some of these properties were developed with residential. 00:34:40.200 --> 00:34:48.280 And therefore, my understanding in the 2002 rezoning, they sort of looked at what was on the ground and chose to go with R2 in that situation. 00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:55.600 And when was that LI- I'm assuming that that LI that's to the west of that property, when was that changed to LI? Do you know that? 00:34:55.600 --> 00:35:03.760 2019. So 2019, there was a new set of zoning districts. It probably was either ECI or some other zoning. 00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:09.600 So I guess the- so before the 2019 citywide rezoning, it was already an equivalent LI- 00:35:09.600 --> 00:35:10.360 Correct. 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:15.440 You know, when it was made out, whatever the equivalent LI to the prior code, the 2002 code? 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:22.800 That's correct. It followed the transition that we had, a transitional table that identified any of these zoning districts would transition to this. 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:27.640 So LI would have been ECI or something similar in that nature. 00:35:27.640 --> 00:35:34.200 I don't think you understand the question. When was that property? Because I'm assuming that property was probably R2 at some point as well. 00:35:34.200 --> 00:35:38.520 When did that property become LI or the equivalency to LI, do you know? 00:35:38.520 --> 00:35:46.120 I do not know. I would assume in 2002, it was some sort of industrial. But prior to that, I'm not sure what the zoning district was. 00:35:46.120 --> 00:35:47.800 Okay. I'll just ask you offline. Thanks, Ron. 00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:48.800 Okay. 00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:58.680 Commissioner Cole. 00:35:58.680 --> 00:36:06.800 Thank you, Chair. Ron, I'm looking around this piece of property here. 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:28.280 And all I see are rural homes. I mean, people across the street, swimming pools, large lots, you know, rural type setting to the north, to the east, to the south. 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:33.840 Why lot industrial around a rural area? 00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:40.640 I can go, I've got that in my next slide and I can kind of explain that. Hopefully I'll address your question. 00:36:40.640 --> 00:36:52.480 I'll start with the applicant's request and purpose of this. They obviously are looking to develop the site and R2 is residential. 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:59.880 They have, it's been undeveloped for some time, even since 1969. There has not been any development that is. 00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:10.560 So they're looking to market this site for a non-residential use. It could have been commercial, but they chose light industrial as the zoning district. 00:37:10.560 --> 00:37:19.320 We know that most likely this site will not be developed with residential being that it is along US 380, a primary arterial. 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:32.160 We know that TxDOT is planning to expand 380 to be a more higher traffic volume in terms of the classification of the roadway. 00:37:32.160 --> 00:37:39.880 So this site would most likely be something of a non-residential use. So R2 probably would not be the best zoning district. 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:52.720 So that's their reasoning for going to light industrial to market for a use that is more in line of what could be developed along a primary arterial, such as 380. 00:37:52.720 --> 00:38:03.040 They don't have a development or use in mind as of today, but they would like to see the site develop with something more of a light industrial nature. 00:38:03.040 --> 00:38:14.880 They provided, and it's part of your backup, part of their summary during a neighborhood meeting, they provided an aerial of all of the light industrial or even higher heavy industrial uses in the area. 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:23.560 And so that is, again, their reason. So now, why is staff recommending approval? And we have our staff analysis, part of your backup. 00:38:23.560 --> 00:38:32.040 But again, some of the reasons or some of the factors that we looked at was, again, what is likely going to develop on this site? 00:38:32.040 --> 00:38:40.480 We know that there is a number of development proposals and activities within the area that is going to be light industrial in nature. 00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:47.800 We also understand that this is a major arterial or primary arterial that will less likely be developed with residential. 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:56.800 We also know that this is a gateway into the city, and we identify some of the opportunities for a gateway type development. 00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:02.720 And again, residential would less likely be that case. So I don't know if that helps answer your question. 00:39:02.720 --> 00:39:07.080 I know that there are existing rural residential in the area. 00:39:07.080 --> 00:39:15.000 But again, this one is along 380, a little bit different than what's located along the northern side of this property. 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.480 Call me skeptical. 00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:38.240 We're starting to do this on West 382. It's like we're, I mean, I get the future plans, but the here and now and what you see with your eyes is totally different. 00:39:38.240 --> 00:39:46.760 And I mean, you guys are trying to do this out west by Ranch Estates, I mean, intense use around Hartley Field. 00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:55.640 And again, I'm looking here, man, and I see nothing but ranch, a big land and housing surrounding this whole thing. 00:39:55.640 --> 00:40:01.560 And to me, a lot of industrials is kind of a bridge too far. 00:40:01.560 --> 00:40:08.760 I mean, you know, I understand the future plans, but the here and now is totally different. 00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:10.280 OK. But I appreciate it. 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:24.800 Thank you. OK. Commissioner Anderson, your button not working. 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:30.720 Say thanks, Ron. I'm on the same page as Commissioner Cole. 00:40:30.720 --> 00:40:38.960 You said it's a gateway into our city, and I'm just not on board with having visitors driving down 380. 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:45.000 And you come into and like he said, you have residential homes on one side and then you have industrial on the other. 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.440 That's not what I think about when I drive through a city that I want to go visit. 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:58.160 You know, first thing you see is industrial and not Commissioner Cole say we're doing it on the West 380 and everyone try to do on East 380. 00:40:58.160 --> 00:41:05.640 I would be more adept to approving something that might be a small commercial or they could put, you know, like a nice little office there or something like this. 00:41:05.640 --> 00:41:09.000 But industrial, you open that up for many different things. 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:14.560 So, I mean, if they're willing to do something, maybe like commercial or something like this, I'd be more than happy to do something like that. 00:41:14.560 --> 00:41:19.600 But I'm kind of with Commissioner Cole. I just don't see this being a good thing. 00:41:19.600 --> 00:41:27.120 Appreciate it. And I know that the applicant will be here during the public hearing, so that might be something that can be discussed. 00:41:27.120 --> 00:41:34.640 OK, why don't we why don't we let Ron continue with a little bit more information and then we'll get back to if there's questions. 00:41:34.640 --> 00:41:44.840 So, again, no development has been proposed for the site there again, trying to just market this for a use sometime in the future. 00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:51.400 Part of our staff analysis, which you have in your backup, we looked at a number of zoning criteria for approval. 00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:57.320 Is it consistent with the future land use map? In this case, the future land use designation is rural. 00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:02.560 Again, we know that this area is developing. We know that there are developments that are coming from the West. 00:42:02.560 --> 00:42:09.520 So rural probably will not be the it's not the primary designation. 00:42:09.520 --> 00:42:21.440 And so part of the comprehensive plan update, we're looking at this area in other areas of the city and looking at our future land use designation that fits more in line with what's happening today. 00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:30.760 I'm not going to go through all of the seven, but the ones that I've highlighted are some that I want to specify or expand upon during this presentation. 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:38.400 Number five, the intensity of the development in the new zone district is not expected to create significant adverse impact. 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:46.120 There were two meetings held, virtual meetings, and there were four total members of the community that participated in it. 00:42:46.120 --> 00:42:53.240 And a lot of them really were concerned about the traffic. What would this traffic or this use generate in traffic? 00:42:53.240 --> 00:43:04.800 We know that the primary access will be off of 380, so much of that impact will be along 380, which is already a busy street and will get even more busier. 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:14.000 So as far as traffic, the access will be off of 380, which is, again, unlikely to generate any traffic impacts to the surrounding area. 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:19.920 Public facility, there's currently no water or no sewer in the area or wastewater. 00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:29.400 The applicant, again, has stated that when this develops in the future, obviously part of their development will need to extend any of those services in those infrastructures. 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:33.320 So that will be part of their development process. 00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:41.440 Again, that, again, will have to be their development will have to meet the standards that the city has established. 00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:46.520 There were notifications sent out, obviously signs were posted. 00:43:46.520 --> 00:43:51.400 There were two virtual meetings, website and online notices were provided. 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:56.360 And as of this afternoon, there were only one response. 00:43:56.360 --> 00:44:07.000 There was one response in opposition, and that person lives off of Trinity Road and his property is just north of the site, north east of the site. 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:15.680 And you can see from the image that the arrow points to the area where it is within the 200 foot buffer. 00:44:15.680 --> 00:44:24.960 Outside of that individual, all of the other residents, we have not received any responses, either in opposition or in favor. 00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:30.120 So again, just one response as of this afternoon. 00:44:30.120 --> 00:44:33.680 Ron, did that person give any reason for opposition or? 00:44:33.680 --> 00:44:39.200 No, he provided the same information I provided you all. 00:44:39.200 --> 00:44:51.040 I have not spoken to this person, I know in the past month I've spoken to one person and they've concurred in the same concerns that they shared the same concerns. 00:44:51.040 --> 00:44:56.880 And that is really what's the traffic going to, how's the traffic going to impact my property? 00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:03.480 And I'm guessing based on our conversation that that property owner lives north, probably on Fish Trap. 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:10.120 He did not specify exactly, but based on his comments, it appears to be his property being along Fish Trap and 00:45:10.120 --> 00:45:14.560 his concerns were the traffic generated by this use, this future use. 00:45:14.560 --> 00:45:23.160 Staff recommends approval using the criteria that is in our development code. 00:45:23.160 --> 00:45:29.000 And as outlined in your staff report, staff recommends approval and I'll stand for further questions. 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.360 >> Thanks, Ron. 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:32.320 Commissioner Smith. 00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:33.600 >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. 00:45:33.600 --> 00:45:36.560 I won't, just for the sake of time, I won't ask you to answer it now. 00:45:36.560 --> 00:45:41.880 But in public, will you show right of way dedication that's going to be needed for 00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:45.760 TextDOT on that 380 expansion, whenever that does happen? 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:51.240 And how much of that land, because it's a long, narrow parcel of land, how much of that land is going to be eaten up by it? 00:45:51.240 --> 00:45:52.920 Because it's already long and narrow. 00:45:52.920 --> 00:46:00.400 And if there's another 25 feet of right of way there, I don't know how wide, however you want to say it. 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:03.240 How tall, how long, I don't know how you want to look at it, Ron. 00:46:03.240 --> 00:46:05.120 But what's that depth? 00:46:05.120 --> 00:46:09.960 And basically, after the right of way, how much is left that's still actually developable? 00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:10.960 That would be helpful. 00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:13.880 >> Great, Commissioner Smith, I'll definitely follow up. 00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:16.960 I just know that they're currently in the process of designing that, but 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:20.680 I'll see what I can find out as far as how wider that right of way will be. 00:46:20.680 --> 00:46:21.400 >> Okay, thank you. 00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:24.280 >> Commissioner Perot. 00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:25.680 >> Yeah, just a question, Ron. 00:46:27.720 --> 00:46:34.120 I recall some discussion a few months ago at council about how, 00:46:34.120 --> 00:46:40.160 I think in this context, it was gas wells in the ETJ outside of the city limits, 00:46:40.160 --> 00:46:47.800 would affect our development criteria for development near to that gas well within that. 00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:54.160 And so in this context, I guess my question is, would the transition area 00:46:54.160 --> 00:46:59.280 requirements that normally apply between a residential use and an LI apply in this case, 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.480 even though the residential area is in the ETJ? 00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:05.680 >> Are you referring to the screening and the buffering and the separate requirements? 00:47:05.680 --> 00:47:07.200 >> Yes, yeah. 00:47:07.200 --> 00:47:12.080 >> Yes, the buffering and the screening for whatever use is on there, we know the use. 00:47:12.080 --> 00:47:17.440 But when it comes to zoning, since the property is not zoned, it would unlikely be applied. 00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:22.840 But the use for sure, there is a use standard buffering against a particular use. 00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:24.560 We will apply that standard. 00:47:24.560 --> 00:47:29.000 But we also have buffering and screening requirements adjacent to zoning districts, 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:35.840 since that is not applicable in this case, then it would be something we will not be able to. 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:36.800 Does that make sense? 00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:41.800 >> Yeah, so the requirements for the use would, buffering against the use would apply, 00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:46.080 but buffering against zoning districts since there aren't any zoning districts north 00:47:46.080 --> 00:47:47.160 of there would not apply. 00:47:47.160 --> 00:47:47.640 >> Correct. 00:47:47.640 --> 00:47:48.240 >> Okay, thank you. 00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:52.960 Any other questions for Ron? 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:56.360 >> No, I don't see any. 00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:57.000 Thank you, Ron. 00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:57.500 >> Thank you. 00:47:57.500 --> 00:48:08.160 >> Our next public hearing item is Z2113, and that is Mark Laird's item. 00:48:08.160 --> 00:48:10.160 Hi, Mark. 00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:38.000 >> Good evening, my name is Mark Laird, I'm a planner with the Development Service Department. 00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:42.080 This evening, for your reference and consideration, 00:48:42.080 --> 00:48:48.560 I have a request to rezone 1.372 acres from rural residential to residential one. 00:48:48.560 --> 00:48:53.440 This property is located on Miller Road, east of Mosh Ranch Road. 00:48:53.440 --> 00:49:00.640 The site is currently vacant and is surrounded by rural residential, residential two and the ETJ. 00:49:00.640 --> 00:49:03.960 The property owner is requesting the rezoning to allow for a site complex 00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:08.280 to develop the property for single family use. 00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:12.240 In 2010, the city didn't annex this area. 00:49:12.240 --> 00:49:16.280 At the time of annexation, it received a designation of RD5X. 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:22.560 With the adoption of our current code, that property transitioned to rural residential. 00:49:22.560 --> 00:49:27.520 The map on the right shows the request and what that looks like. 00:49:27.520 --> 00:49:35.240 Staff has reviewed this request, and the staff analysis is attaching your backup as exhibit two. 00:49:35.240 --> 00:49:42.200 Public outreach was made, sign was posted, 12 public notices were mailed out, 00:49:42.200 --> 00:49:45.240 and 13 courtesy notices were mailed. 00:49:45.240 --> 00:49:49.040 At this time, we haven't received no responses. 00:49:49.040 --> 00:49:55.880 Staff recommends approval of this request as it complies with the criteria of section 2.45(e) 00:49:55.880 --> 00:50:00.000 and 2.72(d) of the Ditten Development Code. 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:03.080 I stand for any questions you may have. 00:50:03.080 --> 00:50:07.800 - Hey, Mark, I had a question when I looked at just the site map. 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:13.200 There's a structure on the southeast or southwest corner of that property. 00:50:13.200 --> 00:50:13.760 What is it? 00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:14.360 - It's a barn. 00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:17.280 - Does it belong to the property owner, or is it? 00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:18.240 - It belongs to the property owner. 00:50:18.240 --> 00:50:18.640 - Okay. 00:50:18.640 --> 00:50:20.880 - When they purchased the property, they assumed it was there. 00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:22.240 - Okay, very good. 00:50:22.240 --> 00:50:23.400 Thank you. 00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:27.400 Any questions for Mark on this item? 00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:28.480 I do not see any. 00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:32.920 - All right, thank you very much. 00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:38.000 - Our next public hearing item is PD212C. 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.280 That is Julie Wyatt's item. 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:50.600 She's making her way down. 00:50:50.600 --> 00:50:53.840 - Hi, Julie. 00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:54.800 - I'm Julie Wyatt. 00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:56.600 Let me pull up my presentation. 00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:12.200 - Come on. 00:51:12.200 --> 00:51:24.600 All right, it does not seem to want to go into presentation mode. 00:51:24.600 --> 00:51:39.640 Okay, well, here we go. 00:51:41.240 --> 00:51:42.800 We'll improvise a bit. 00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:43.360 How about that? 00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.720 All right, good evening. 00:51:46.720 --> 00:51:49.280 I'm Julie Wyatt, Senior Planner with the City of Denton. 00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:54.760 And I'm presenting PD21-0002C to you tonight. 00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:57.760 Typically, we go through our whole presentation at work session 00:51:57.760 --> 00:51:59.280 and then at regular session. 00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:01.560 I thought I'd try to do a little bit abbreviated, 00:52:01.560 --> 00:52:04.560 just go through the first few slides on the project. 00:52:04.560 --> 00:52:08.400 If you have any questions, of course, we can go through the entire presentation. 00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:12.240 But if not, then we can just go through the full presentation 00:52:12.240 --> 00:52:14.520 at the regular session, if that's okay with you. 00:52:14.520 --> 00:52:19.160 All right, so the request before you tonight 00:52:19.160 --> 00:52:23.560 is to rezone a tract of land, about 32 acres, 00:52:23.560 --> 00:52:27.240 from mixed-use regional district to planned development district. 00:52:27.240 --> 00:52:32.960 The subject site is near the intersection of North Bonnie Bray Highway 77 00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:34.400 and Loop 288. 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:37.880 It's outlined in yellow on your screen. 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:42.000 The purpose of this PD is to facilitate the development 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.560 of one of our newer residential uses we're seeing within the City of Denton. 00:52:45.560 --> 00:52:50.560 That's horizontal multifamily living. 00:52:50.560 --> 00:52:52.880 Currently, the zoning is MR district. 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:58.040 So I want to let you know that regular multifamily 00:52:58.040 --> 00:53:01.440 is a permitted use within the MR district with use-specific standards. 00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:05.760 So this is a use that would typically be required by right. 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:09.600 However, given the newness and the kind of the different structure 00:53:09.600 --> 00:53:14.120 of this horizontal multifamily living, that does require a planned development 00:53:14.120 --> 00:53:16.040 at this time within the City of Denton. 00:53:16.040 --> 00:53:21.520 It's not a use that we really define within our code. 00:53:21.520 --> 00:53:24.160 And I just want to talk briefly about what their proposal is, 00:53:24.160 --> 00:53:25.440 and then I'll talk about our recommendation. 00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:28.480 And then if you have any questions, we can go over those. 00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:34.800 So they are proposing, as I said, this horizontal multifamily living use. 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:39.240 What that is, is it functions like a traditional multifamily use. 00:53:39.240 --> 00:53:43.560 It is rental dwelling units on a single lot. 00:53:43.560 --> 00:53:46.280 But these are designed a little differently than what we typically see 00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:51.040 in a garden-style apartment or maybe something like a mid-rise, 00:53:51.040 --> 00:53:54.440 in that they are all single-family homes or duplexes. 00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:58.920 So they're small cottages, almost designed like a compact neighborhood. 00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:04.320 So in this instance, they are proposing 316 single-family or duplex units. 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.480 They're organized in the manner that you see on your screen. 00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:08.960 It's this legible grid. 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:12.840 They do have pedestrian pathways throughout the site. 00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:19.000 In particular, there is a 30-foot wide, almost a linear park, 00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:23.280 that central spine that runs through that development in the center of it. 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:29.000 They also are proposing amenities throughout the site. 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:34.200 There is a traditional amenity center with a pool and outdoor eating areas. 00:54:34.200 --> 00:54:40.320 There are also sort of social spaces, plaza areas scattered throughout the development. 00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:42.920 And they're shown with the blue star. 00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:45.920 So those are scattered throughout the development. 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:54.920 They also have a dog park within the proposal on the southern end of the development. 00:54:54.920 --> 00:55:00.840 And then those additional pedestrian connections running east-west. 00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:05.920 And also there are north-south sidewalks within the site. 00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:11.120 There are three access roads or access connections to Highway 77. 00:55:11.120 --> 00:55:16.280 There's the main entrance in the center of the site and exit only on the southern end. 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:22.280 And then just an emergency access only on the northern piece. 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:26.360 So based upon the criteria for approval, staff is recommending approval of this request. 00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:31.560 I'm going to skip down to our recommendation slide, because it does comply with our -- by 00:55:31.560 --> 00:55:36.000 our analysis, it complies with the criteria in subchapter 2 of the debt and development 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:37.000 code. 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:44.440 And I'll be happy to answer any questions. 00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:45.440 >> Commissioner Smith. 00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:47.400 >> Thank you, Vice Chair. 00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:52.680 Julie, are these manufactured homes or are they going to be true-constructed? 00:55:52.680 --> 00:55:57.260 >> The elevations look very manufactured or modular. 00:55:57.260 --> 00:55:59.640 >> The applicant will be here tonight. 00:55:59.640 --> 00:56:06.600 That wasn't -- we -- modular homes are considered to be single-family homes within this -- within 00:56:06.600 --> 00:56:10.960 our debt and development code, so we really don't differentiate between that construction 00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:11.960 style. 00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:16.440 But the applicant will be here tonight to maybe talk about their construction methods. 00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:21.440 But it is -- I am not aware of it being a modular type home. 00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:23.760 But they'll have additional information for you. 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:24.760 >> Okay. 00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:25.760 Thank you. 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:27.760 >> You bet. 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:28.760 >> Commissioner Perrett. 00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:31.640 >> Thank you, Vice Chair. 00:56:31.640 --> 00:56:36.160 On the site layout, on the eastern side where it currently borders Bonnie Bray, does that 00:56:36.160 --> 00:56:41.600 take into account the proposed right-of-way change for the expansion of Bonnie Bray? 00:56:41.600 --> 00:56:42.600 >> It does. 00:56:42.600 --> 00:56:46.100 And that was something that we had to work through the applicant, because they initially 00:56:46.100 --> 00:56:49.280 wanted to connect to Bonnie Bray in that location. 00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:56.260 But due to the capital improvement of Bonnie Bray, that expansion of it, it will actually 00:56:56.260 --> 00:57:02.080 -- the alignment will track to the south and connect to Highway 77 south of the property. 00:57:02.080 --> 00:57:03.480 Now there will be a sidewalk. 00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:06.880 So there still will be a sidewalk connection in that area. 00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:10.640 But there will not be a direct vehicular access to Bonnie Bray. 00:57:10.640 --> 00:57:15.960 It won't actually touch it after that roadway construction is complete. 00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:21.760 >> Okay, so the pedestrian access would be essentially north out of the vehicle exit 00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:25.240 area and then along the roadway on the sidewalk to the south? 00:57:25.240 --> 00:57:26.240 >> Yes, sir. 00:57:26.240 --> 00:57:27.240 >> Okay. 00:57:27.240 --> 00:57:28.880 >> And you actually bring up a good point, because that was something that we worked 00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:29.880 with the applicant. 00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:35.200 We did want those pedestrian connections, particularly to the property to the west. 00:57:35.200 --> 00:57:40.840 Because the adjacent zoning is MR, and then beyond that is it one of our legacy PDs that 00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:44.380 actually allows for commercial or employment-type uses. 00:57:44.380 --> 00:57:49.080 And so even though there was not that direct vehicular connection to the properties to 00:57:49.080 --> 00:57:53.720 the west, we did want to make sure there was that pedestrian connection or bike connection. 00:57:53.720 --> 00:57:58.840 So when that does develop, if there's a Starbucks over there, those residents would be able 00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:10.240 to go through that gate and walk to those properties to the west. 00:58:10.240 --> 00:58:11.480 >> Any other questions for Julie? 00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:12.480 >> All right. 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:13.480 Thank you. 00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:14.480 >> I do not see any. 00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:15.480 Thank you. 00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:16.480 >> Okay. 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:21.880 Our last public hearing item is 5DZ215B. 00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:31.320 That is Cameron's item. 00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:36.440 >> Okay. 00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:42.200 Good evening, everyone. 00:58:42.200 --> 00:58:52.720 This might look familiar to some of you, so this is Z21005B, which is the residential 00:58:52.720 --> 00:58:56.680 rezoning for 418 Robertson. 00:58:56.680 --> 00:58:59.880 So just to give you all some background, this originally went through in front of Planning 00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:03.120 and Zoning Commission on June 23rd. 00:59:03.120 --> 00:59:09.560 The request was for a rezoning of .326 acres from MN and R4 districts to a residential 00:59:09.560 --> 00:59:10.960 6 district. 00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:14.720 There was no public meeting held and one property was in favor. 00:59:14.720 --> 00:59:18.480 This was voted 6-0 to approve the rezoning. 00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:22.960 This was then presented to City Council on August 3rd with a recommendation for approval. 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:27.560 At least three members of the City Council indicated that they were in favor of an MN 00:59:27.560 --> 00:59:32.000 rezoning instead of an R6 rezoning, and then other members indicated that they wanted to 00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:35.120 hear more from the neighborhood regarding the proposed development. 00:59:35.120 --> 00:59:40.600 So this was remanded, remanded the proposed rezoning back to the Planning and Zoning Commission, 00:59:40.600 --> 00:59:46.040 and then for review of a proposed MN district, as well as a neighborhood meeting. 00:59:46.040 --> 00:59:50.200 And then this meeting took place on Monday, August 23rd, and we had approximately 20 members 00:59:50.200 --> 00:59:53.560 of the community in attendance. 00:59:53.560 --> 01:00:00.280 So now the new request is a rezoning of .326 acres from that MN and existing R4 to a mixed 01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:02.440 use neighborhood district. 01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:07.640 The property has been vacant since 1984, and during the community meeting we did discover 01:00:07.640 --> 01:00:14.040 that this used to be the home to the first black-owned service station in Denton. 01:00:14.040 --> 01:00:19.280 So this just shows that zoning map from 2002 to our current zoning map, which shows that 01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:25.580 as that MN/R4 and then as the MN district. 01:00:25.580 --> 01:00:31.240 So just to kind of go through, as you see, we have our zoning criterion for approval. 01:00:31.240 --> 01:00:34.400 I'm going to be focusing on the Denton plant 2030. 01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.140 So the site is designated low residential. 01:00:37.140 --> 01:00:41.320 So it does allow for new development up to four dwelling units per acre. 01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:45.040 So the MN typically is not consistent with our future land use development. 01:00:45.040 --> 01:00:49.880 However, it does continue that existing zoning pattern that I showed on the previous slides. 01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:54.040 It does permit a variety of lower intensity housing types and provides that opportunity 01:00:54.040 --> 01:00:57.220 to create a neighborhood serving retail in the future. 01:00:57.220 --> 01:01:00.840 So currently it is surrounded by Fredmore Park, Fredmore High School, and the Child Care 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:03.480 Center, as well as Clarice Kitchen. 01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:07.400 It also serves as that transition area between the low residential area to the south and 01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:11.220 that downtown compatibility area just to the north. 01:01:11.220 --> 01:01:15.440 And it does serve our overall goal to promote a compact development pattern through infill 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:18.160 development. 01:01:18.160 --> 01:01:23.140 In terms of the MN is consistent with some of the surrounding zoning and development pattern, 01:01:23.140 --> 01:01:27.160 our existing land use pattern along Robertson Street is mixed use. 01:01:27.160 --> 01:01:31.120 The infill development, as I stated, would provide a variety of housing options and serve 01:01:31.120 --> 01:01:34.560 as that transition between the north and the south. 01:01:34.560 --> 01:01:40.840 And currently we do have two duplexes and two fourplexes currently located within 650 01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:45.040 feet or less of the subject property, as you can see the map highlighted in blue. 01:01:45.040 --> 01:01:50.080 There is no direct vehicular connection to the neighborhood to the south, and the development 01:01:50.080 --> 01:01:53.560 would be required to conform with our current site design standards, including screening 01:01:53.560 --> 01:01:56.000 and landscaping. 01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:59.760 In terms of transportation, there would be two total morning peak hour trips and four 01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:01.560 evening peak hour trips. 01:02:01.560 --> 01:02:06.160 It would generate approximately one elementary student. 01:02:06.160 --> 01:02:11.640 In terms of parks, like I stated, is located approximately 0.4 miles from Fredmore Park. 01:02:11.640 --> 01:02:16.160 It does have public water and wastewater services available to it and is approximately 0.6 miles 01:02:16.160 --> 01:02:19.860 from the central fire station. 01:02:19.860 --> 01:02:23.320 We did have public outreach newspaper ad on the 22nd. 01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:25.360 Property posted on August 18th. 01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:28.400 We did have the neighborhood meeting on August 23rd. 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:33.480 And we did have one in favor as you can see on our map here at 521 Robertson Street. 01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:36.280 And staff recommends approval for the request to rezoning. 01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:39.200 And I'm free to take any questions. 01:02:39.200 --> 01:02:40.400 Thank you, Cameron. 01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:41.400 Commissioner Smith. 01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:42.400 Thank you, Vice Chair. 01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:46.400 A couple of questions on this one. 01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:49.160 The desire to go to MN versus R6. 01:02:49.160 --> 01:02:55.080 Is it primarily more based off the historical use of that property? 01:02:55.080 --> 01:02:57.600 It is mainly looking towards the future. 01:02:57.600 --> 01:03:02.640 So right now in front of just north of that property, there is vacant property. 01:03:02.640 --> 01:03:08.360 And then you also have the MN districts just at the intersection or northeast corner of 01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:13.080 the intersection of Skinner and Robertson Street and then further down near Claris Kitchen. 01:03:13.080 --> 01:03:18.900 So yes, in the past, it was a service station and it has been vacant since the 1980s. 01:03:18.900 --> 01:03:22.960 But I think the community is looking towards the future and wanting to have that option 01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:27.520 if they were to do a mixed use neighborhood retail development. 01:03:27.520 --> 01:03:32.480 But the applicant, if I remember this project correctly, the applicant was going to develop 01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:35.920 a fourplex or a fiveplex or something like that, correct? 01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:45.080 So the use of it right now as being put forward by the applicant is to build a fiveplex or 01:03:45.080 --> 01:03:48.400 fourplex on that property and not do a mixed use. 01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:49.400 Correct. 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:55.040 What was the applicant's opinion on this after it being remanded back to our commission? 01:03:55.040 --> 01:03:59.280 So once speaking with the neighborhood, I think they understood as to what the neighborhood 01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:04.780 was looking for with keeping this MN and designating the entire property to MN. 01:04:04.780 --> 01:04:10.840 In terms of having that opportunity in the future, say they build the fourplex 20 years 01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:15.220 from now, they want to tear it down, they want to have that mixed use opportunity to 01:04:15.220 --> 01:04:23.080 build low scale commercial that people can walk to, people can walk from their park. 01:04:23.080 --> 01:04:27.120 But the applicant was -- they were totally fine with it. 01:04:27.120 --> 01:04:30.040 They saw what the community was looking for. 01:04:30.040 --> 01:04:36.080 And the fact that they're still able to build the fourplex under that MN, there was no concern 01:04:36.080 --> 01:04:40.480 to them just switching that from the R6 to the MN because they're able to still do that. 01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:41.480 Yeah. 01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:42.480 Okay. 01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:47.480 I'll say the rest of my comments for public. 01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:48.480 Thank you. 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:56.360 I'm a little bit confused on this one because, I mean, you keep saying the community wants 01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:57.360 the MN. 01:04:57.360 --> 01:05:04.240 But, I mean, it was really city council that kind of, I guess, forced that issue or were 01:05:04.240 --> 01:05:05.840 there people in that public hearing? 01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:08.000 I'm confused at how that came about. 01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:09.000 Right. 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:10.000 Yeah. 01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:12.400 So if you could clarify that, that'd be really great. 01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:13.400 Of course. 01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:14.400 No problem. 01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:18.760 So once it went to city council, as I stated, there was no public meeting initially held 01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:21.880 due to some circumstances with the applicant. 01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:27.480 So when it went to city council, that was one of their main concerns is that the neighborhood 01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:32.400 had no opportunity to speak regarding this rezoning. 01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:35.000 They wanted to have that opportunity. 01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:42.260 And when it was discussed what uses could be applied within the R6 versus MN, some members 01:05:42.260 --> 01:05:50.400 of council felt that the MN allowed the neighborhood to do that residential if they wanted to do 01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:55.280 that, but also do that commercial development in the future if that's what they chose to 01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:56.440 do. 01:05:56.440 --> 01:06:02.320 And they also felt that it didn't really deter from our future land use in terms of it was 01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:04.120 a transition area. 01:06:04.120 --> 01:06:09.440 So staff went back, as I briefly showed in my presentation, and obviously I'll go into 01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:17.600 more detail in the public hearing, how, yes, it's not necessarily consistent, but it does 01:06:17.600 --> 01:06:21.600 allow for that transition with that downtown compatibility and that kind of mixed use that 01:06:21.600 --> 01:06:23.080 we have to the north. 01:06:23.080 --> 01:06:28.680 And what's currently existing on Robertson Street in terms of mixed use, we do have churches, 01:06:28.680 --> 01:06:33.000 we do have Clara's Kitchen, we do have the school just to the south. 01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:42.560 So it's not totally off the books, I guess it would be just to continue more of that 01:06:42.560 --> 01:06:46.000 mixed use along the street in the corridor. 01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:47.000 Okay. 01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.680 That doesn't exactly answer my concern. 01:06:50.680 --> 01:06:52.160 So you were at the neighborhood meeting. 01:06:52.160 --> 01:06:53.160 Yes, I was. 01:06:53.160 --> 01:06:58.880 I mean, but wasn't it billed and the signage even and the way we have it posted, it talks 01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:02.520 about building a duplex or at least some type of residential. 01:07:02.520 --> 01:07:03.520 Yes. 01:07:03.520 --> 01:07:06.880 So other uses were discussed at this neighborhood meeting? 01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:11.440 No, mainly, it was more of a clarification at the neighborhood meeting. 01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:16.960 It was more of the applicant discussing, because there had been confusion of what was being 01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:25.080 proposed and what was being done and the applicant was more so there to explain, no, we're not 01:07:25.080 --> 01:07:28.320 coming here to develop multiple properties. 01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:34.880 We're here just to build a four complex and provide the rental rates, the time of construction, 01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:41.480 how long that would take, kind of that just basic information just to let the community 01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:46.480 know that they were listening and also just not coming in and doing whatever they wanted. 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:47.480 Well, right. 01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:50.720 But I mean, you know, the development doesn't go with the zoning. 01:07:50.720 --> 01:07:56.160 So I mean, now it's back to us as an MN zoning, which really kind of changes certainly the 01:07:56.160 --> 01:07:57.520 way I look at it. 01:07:57.520 --> 01:08:03.360 So that's, yeah, I'll leave it more for the rest of the public meeting at that point, 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:07.440 but I'm definitely still confused at how we got to this point. 01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:09.800 But anyway, any other questions? 01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:10.800 Okay. 01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:11.800 Thank you. 01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:13.440 I do not see any. 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:14.440 Thank you. 01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:15.440 Okay. 01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:19.240 I think that concludes the agenda and therefore our work session. 01:08:19.240 --> 01:08:24.360 I'll adjourn us at 6.11 p.m. and we will come back here for our public meeting at 6.30. 01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:38.960 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for 01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:43.120 Wednesday, September 8th, 2021. 01:08:43.120 --> 01:08:48.740 With a quorum present, I will call our regular meeting to order at 6.37 p.m. 01:08:48.740 --> 01:08:57.880 Our first agenda item is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas Flags. 01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:19.460 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for 01:09:19.460 --> 01:09:24.860 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 01:09:24.860 --> 01:09:25.860 Honor the Texas flag. 01:09:25.860 --> 01:09:26.860 I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one indivisible. 01:09:26.860 --> 01:09:27.860 Thank you. 01:09:27.860 --> 01:09:32.900 Our second agenda item is consider approval of planning and zoning minutes for August 01:09:32.900 --> 01:09:35.900 18th, 2021. 01:09:35.900 --> 01:09:38.900 Commissioner Smith. 01:09:38.900 --> 01:09:41.700 Some motion on the floor to approve the minutes. 01:09:41.700 --> 01:09:42.700 Commissioner Anderson. 01:09:42.700 --> 01:09:43.700 I second. 01:09:43.700 --> 01:09:44.700 Okay. 01:09:44.700 --> 01:09:47.940 We've got a first and a second for approval of the minutes for August 18th. 01:09:47.940 --> 01:09:50.500 Any discussion? 01:09:50.500 --> 01:09:58.620 Let's take a vote on the board. 01:09:58.620 --> 01:10:01.620 That motion passes 7-0. 01:10:01.620 --> 01:10:06.340 That will move us to our consent agenda. 01:10:06.340 --> 01:10:07.340 Commissioner Smith. 01:10:07.340 --> 01:10:09.340 Make a motion to approve. 01:10:09.340 --> 01:10:10.500 We have a first. 01:10:10.500 --> 01:10:11.500 Commissioner Cole. 01:10:11.500 --> 01:10:12.500 Second. 01:10:12.500 --> 01:10:16.100 We have a first and a second to approve the consent agenda. 01:10:16.100 --> 01:10:18.500 Any discussion? 01:10:18.500 --> 01:10:19.500 Seeing none. 01:10:19.500 --> 01:10:25.980 On the board, please. 01:10:25.980 --> 01:10:28.600 That motion carries 7-0. 01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:34.420 That moves us to agenda item four, our items for individual consideration. 01:10:34.420 --> 01:10:38.980 For A is the election of chair and vice chair. 01:10:38.980 --> 01:10:40.840 Any nominations for chair? 01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:41.840 Commissioner Smith. 01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:45.220 Make a motion to nominate Margie Ellis as chair. 01:10:45.220 --> 01:10:46.940 Well thank you, Commissioner Smith. 01:10:46.940 --> 01:10:47.940 Commissioner Cole. 01:10:47.940 --> 01:10:48.940 Second. 01:10:48.940 --> 01:10:51.020 Thank you, Commissioner Cole. 01:10:51.020 --> 01:10:56.540 Any other nominations or discussion? 01:10:56.540 --> 01:11:04.420 Well with that, I will say thank you and let's vote on the board. 01:11:04.420 --> 01:11:07.340 And that passes 7-0. 01:11:07.340 --> 01:11:10.020 Nominations for vice chair. 01:11:10.020 --> 01:11:11.020 Commissioner Villarreal. 01:11:11.020 --> 01:11:15.700 I move to nominate Commissioner Smith for vice chair. 01:11:15.700 --> 01:11:16.700 Commissioner Perrett. 01:11:16.700 --> 01:11:17.860 I second. 01:11:17.860 --> 01:11:22.740 We've got a first and a second to nominate Commissioner Smith as vice chair. 01:11:22.740 --> 01:11:24.940 Any discussion? 01:11:24.940 --> 01:11:30.440 Let's take a vote on the board, please. 01:11:30.440 --> 01:11:32.340 Motion carries 7-0. 01:11:32.340 --> 01:11:34.060 Thank you. 01:11:34.060 --> 01:11:37.620 Welcome vice chair Smith. 01:11:37.620 --> 01:11:44.020 Our next item is for B, PP210012B. 01:11:44.020 --> 01:11:50.220 We'll welcome Haley and Sean for presentation. 01:11:50.220 --> 01:12:05.740 This is preliminary plaque 2112, this is order logistics 35 edition, this property is located 01:12:05.740 --> 01:12:09.100 on the south side of the I-35 frontage road just north of the Acme brick facility. 01:12:09.100 --> 01:12:12.940 Since the posting of the agenda, all staff comments have been resolved and we are now 01:12:12.940 --> 01:12:15.040 recommending approval of this preliminary plaque. 01:12:15.040 --> 01:12:17.340 I'm happy to answer any questions. 01:12:17.340 --> 01:12:19.620 Thank you, Haley. 01:12:19.620 --> 01:12:25.260 Are there any questions on this item? 01:12:25.260 --> 01:12:26.260 Commissioner Smith. 01:12:26.260 --> 01:12:29.360 Make a motion to approve. 01:12:29.360 --> 01:12:30.620 And Commissioner Cole. 01:12:30.620 --> 01:12:31.620 Second. 01:12:31.620 --> 01:12:36.540 Okay, we've got a first and a second for item 4B. 01:12:36.540 --> 01:12:39.140 Any discussion? 01:12:39.140 --> 01:12:54.900 Seeing none, let's vote on the board, please. 01:12:54.900 --> 01:12:56.740 That motion carries 7-0. 01:12:56.740 --> 01:13:02.540 That will move us to 4C, PP210016. 01:13:02.540 --> 01:13:04.740 That is Sean Jacobson's item. 01:13:04.740 --> 01:13:12.480 Sorry, just having a moment here with technology, one second. 01:13:12.480 --> 01:13:17.540 It gets the best of us, Sean. 01:13:17.540 --> 01:13:19.580 All right. 01:13:19.580 --> 01:13:20.580 Okay. 01:13:20.580 --> 01:13:29.940 Yes, so this is preliminary plaque PP2116 and staff is recommending denial as it does 01:13:29.940 --> 01:13:34.620 not meet the established criteria for approval, but staff has no objection to request extension 01:13:34.620 --> 01:13:41.740 to the September 22nd, 2021 PMT meeting. 01:13:41.740 --> 01:13:45.420 Any questions on this item? 01:13:45.420 --> 01:13:52.220 The applicant is requesting an extension to a date certain of September 22nd. 01:13:52.220 --> 01:13:53.220 Commissioner Smith. 01:13:53.220 --> 01:13:58.380 Make a motion to approve the extension of date certain to September 22nd, 2021. 01:13:58.380 --> 01:13:59.380 Commissioner Pruitt. 01:13:59.380 --> 01:14:00.380 Second. 01:14:00.380 --> 01:14:04.500 Okay, we have a first and a second to approve that extension request. 01:14:04.500 --> 01:14:06.800 Any discussion? 01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:14.860 Seeing none, let's call for a vote on the board, please. 01:14:14.860 --> 01:14:16.900 That motion carries 7-0. 01:14:16.900 --> 01:14:21.740 That will take us to 4D, PP210017. 01:14:21.740 --> 01:14:28.620 That is Karina's item and I believe she's joining us via phone. 01:14:28.620 --> 01:14:34.660 Hi, Karina. 01:14:34.660 --> 01:14:45.180 Karina, are you there? 01:14:45.180 --> 01:14:46.180 Can you hear me now? 01:14:46.180 --> 01:14:47.180 Yes, we can. 01:14:47.180 --> 01:14:48.180 Hi. 01:14:48.180 --> 01:14:49.180 I apologize for that. 01:14:49.180 --> 01:14:54.180 We have to hit a couple buttons before we unmute. 01:14:54.180 --> 01:14:56.700 Good evening, Karina Maldonado, Associate Planner. 01:14:56.700 --> 01:15:03.820 The item before you is a preliminary flat for a 9.92-acre property generally located 01:15:03.820 --> 01:15:09.500 on the east side of South Loop 288, approximately 300 feet south of East McKinney Street. 01:15:09.500 --> 01:15:16.460 This is a preliminary flat to create one lot of record intended for a multifamily development. 01:15:16.460 --> 01:15:20.420 Staff is recommending denial as it does not meet the established criteria. 01:15:20.420 --> 01:15:26.060 However, the applicant has requested a 30-day extension to allow additional time to address 01:15:26.060 --> 01:15:27.140 those comments. 01:15:27.140 --> 01:15:33.260 The staff does not have any issues with the request for the extension to October 6th, and 01:15:33.260 --> 01:15:37.020 with that, I can take any questions. 01:15:37.020 --> 01:15:41.620 Any questions for Karina on this item? 01:15:41.620 --> 01:15:47.740 The applicant has requested an extension to a date certain of October 6th. 01:15:47.740 --> 01:15:48.740 Commissioner Smith? 01:15:48.740 --> 01:15:53.540 I make a motion to approve the extension to date certain of October 6th, 2021. 01:15:53.540 --> 01:15:54.540 Commissioner Cole? 01:15:54.540 --> 01:15:55.540 Second. 01:15:55.540 --> 01:15:58.900 We've got a first and a second to approve that extension request. 01:15:58.900 --> 01:16:01.620 Any discussion? 01:16:01.620 --> 01:16:08.660 Seeing none, I'll call for a vote, please. 01:16:08.660 --> 01:16:11.460 Motion carries 7-0. 01:16:11.460 --> 01:16:17.060 That will move us to 4-E, PP21-0018. 01:16:17.060 --> 01:16:20.500 That is also Karina's item. 01:16:20.500 --> 01:16:23.500 The floor is yours, Karina. 01:16:23.500 --> 01:16:24.500 Thank you. 01:16:24.500 --> 01:16:29.740 This is a preliminary plat for legacy multifamily denton. 01:16:29.740 --> 01:16:36.740 This is located on the south side of East McKinney Street, approximately 530 feet east 01:16:36.740 --> 01:16:40.180 of the intersection of Mayhill Road and East McKinney. 01:16:40.180 --> 01:16:46.100 The preliminary plat is also for one lot of record for a multifamily development. 01:16:46.100 --> 01:16:52.060 A specific use permit to allow multifamily on this site was approved earlier this year. 01:16:52.060 --> 01:16:58.420 The applicant is requesting a one-time 30-day extension to October 6th, and staff does not 01:16:58.420 --> 01:17:00.660 have any opposition to this request. 01:17:00.660 --> 01:17:05.140 I can take any questions from here. 01:17:05.140 --> 01:17:08.860 Any questions for Karina on this item? 01:17:08.860 --> 01:17:14.940 The applicant has a request for an extension to October 6th. 01:17:14.940 --> 01:17:15.940 Commissioner Smith? 01:17:15.940 --> 01:17:19.420 I make a motion to approve the extension to October 6th, 2021. 01:17:19.420 --> 01:17:20.420 Commissioner Pruitt? 01:17:20.420 --> 01:17:21.420 Second. 01:17:21.420 --> 01:17:25.980 Got a first and a second to approve the extension request. 01:17:25.980 --> 01:17:26.980 Any discussion? 01:17:26.980 --> 01:17:34.100 Let's call for a vote on the board, please. 01:17:34.100 --> 01:17:36.380 Motion carries 7-0. 01:17:36.380 --> 01:17:41.100 That will take us to our public hearing section for this evening. 01:17:41.100 --> 01:17:46.900 5A is Z21-0011. 01:17:46.900 --> 01:17:51.660 I will call up Ron Mangitta for presentation and open the public hearing. 01:17:51.660 --> 01:17:55.300 Thank you, Chair, members of the commission, Ron Mangitta, principal planner with Development 01:17:55.300 --> 01:17:56.300 Services. 01:17:56.300 --> 01:18:17.980 I will share my presentation. 01:18:17.980 --> 01:18:22.700 Tonight for your consideration is a request for rezoning for a property approximately 01:18:22.700 --> 01:18:26.060 9.462 acres. 01:18:26.060 --> 01:18:32.380 From Residential 2 to Light Industrial LI Zoning District, the property is generally 01:18:32.380 --> 01:18:38.780 located on the northwest intersection of East University, otherwise known as US 380 and 01:18:38.780 --> 01:18:40.500 North Trinity Road. 01:18:40.500 --> 01:18:47.780 The subject site is identified here on the screen, outlined here in yellow. 01:18:47.780 --> 01:18:55.060 The property was annexed in 1969 as part of a city initiative to annex property along 01:18:55.060 --> 01:19:01.460 US 380, and you can see that the area that were annexed extends further east. 01:19:01.460 --> 01:19:08.780 Prior to 2002, the subject site was Zoned Agriculture, one of the lowest zoning district 01:19:08.780 --> 01:19:14.220 at the time, and that typically was assigned to properties that were recently annexed. 01:19:14.220 --> 01:19:21.500 In 2002, part of a citywide rezoning, the property transitioned to NR2, Neighborhood 01:19:21.500 --> 01:19:25.220 Residential 2 Zoning District. 01:19:25.220 --> 01:19:36.340 The 2019 rezoning update transitioned this site from NR2 to R2, consistent with the R2 01:19:36.340 --> 01:19:38.340 in development standards. 01:19:38.340 --> 01:19:43.500 Just the renaming of the zoning district is what happened in 2019. 01:19:43.500 --> 01:19:49.740 The parcel that we're discussing tonight is currently undeveloped. 01:19:49.740 --> 01:19:55.820 The property owner owns the property not only in the city but also to the north that is 01:19:55.820 --> 01:19:58.980 currently in the county. 01:19:58.980 --> 01:20:04.740 The property owner intends to, the purpose and reason for what they provided in their 01:20:04.740 --> 01:20:12.340 narrative is to market this site to develop, so they're looking for the rezoning to do 01:20:12.340 --> 01:20:13.340 so. 01:20:13.340 --> 01:20:17.900 They are looking again to zone the property at LI for a property that could potentially, 01:20:17.900 --> 01:20:21.220 or a development that could possibly be a light industrial use. 01:20:21.220 --> 01:20:26.980 At this time, they don't have a development or use proposed at this time, however, again, 01:20:26.980 --> 01:20:35.940 they're looking at marketing this for a use that is not currently residential. 01:20:35.940 --> 01:20:40.520 I wanted to just share this illustration or this slide here to illustrate that there is 01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:43.900 a zoning district of LI to the west of the subject site. 01:20:43.900 --> 01:20:48.220 The subject site is generally here in this area right here. 01:20:48.220 --> 01:20:53.980 Not only do we see development activity to the north of 380, that is a light industrial 01:20:53.980 --> 01:20:59.740 nature, but we are also seeing them being developed or proposed along the southern portion 01:20:59.740 --> 01:21:03.500 of 380, again, in this general area here. 01:21:03.500 --> 01:21:10.060 As such, the extension or growth of light industrial to the east is something that we 01:21:10.060 --> 01:21:15.100 considered in our staff analysis. 01:21:15.100 --> 01:21:19.980 Part of that staff analysis, we looked at the seven zoning criteria for approval that 01:21:19.980 --> 01:21:20.980 you see here. 01:21:20.980 --> 01:21:23.740 I won't go through all of them. 01:21:23.740 --> 01:21:27.860 All of them are in your backup, but I really wanted to focus on the three that it's highlighted 01:21:27.860 --> 01:21:29.740 here on this slide. 01:21:29.740 --> 01:21:34.780 The proposed zoning is consistent with the future land use map designation. 01:21:34.780 --> 01:21:36.300 In this case, it is not. 01:21:36.300 --> 01:21:42.460 The future land use designation for this area is rural areas, and again, this was done back 01:21:42.460 --> 01:21:43.460 in 2015. 01:21:43.460 --> 01:21:47.740 However, now with the development activity in this area, we see that this area is going 01:21:47.740 --> 01:21:55.220 to be more than rural, and again, not only does it is inconsistent, however, there are 01:21:55.220 --> 01:22:02.040 some parts of the comprehensive plan where it is consistent in terms of goals and policies. 01:22:02.040 --> 01:22:06.380 Number five, the intensity of development in the zoning district is not expected to create 01:22:06.380 --> 01:22:09.020 significant adverse impact. 01:22:09.020 --> 01:22:13.860 One of the things that we look at is the traffic that's generated in this area. 01:22:13.860 --> 01:22:16.620 We know that 380 is a primary arterial. 01:22:16.620 --> 01:22:24.400 It is in TxDOT's plans to widen this roadway to be more of, I want to say, a free or higher 01:22:24.400 --> 01:22:26.260 volume roadway. 01:22:26.260 --> 01:22:33.620 Therefore, any traffic that's generated by a future use would be able to, US3A would 01:22:33.620 --> 01:22:37.420 be able to accommodate that additional traffic. 01:22:37.420 --> 01:22:42.980 Public facilities and services available in this area to serve the subject property, there 01:22:42.980 --> 01:22:47.900 is currently no public services in terms of water or wastewater. 01:22:47.900 --> 01:22:53.660 The applicant and the owner understands that any development that occurs, they would need 01:22:53.660 --> 01:22:56.340 to extend water and wastewater. 01:22:56.340 --> 01:23:03.540 There is water to the west along 380, as well as wastewater further west, but again, in 01:23:03.540 --> 01:23:07.220 this vicinity, there is none. 01:23:07.220 --> 01:23:12.780 However, again, any development that they propose, they will need to extend and pay 01:23:12.780 --> 01:23:18.460 all the impact fees as related part of their development. 01:23:18.460 --> 01:23:23.620 Notifications were sent out for this rezoning request. 01:23:23.620 --> 01:23:24.620 Plans were posted. 01:23:24.620 --> 01:23:29.500 Two virtual meetings were held on July 28th. 01:23:29.500 --> 01:23:36.260 During those neighborhood meetings, there were a total of four individuals that participated. 01:23:36.260 --> 01:23:41.500 To summarize some of their concerns or their comments, traffic was one, and then the other 01:23:41.500 --> 01:23:46.340 was just really the use and the screening of it to their properties. 01:23:46.340 --> 01:23:51.840 My guesstimate of their properties would be north of the subject site, so along Fishtrap 01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:55.020 and other properties to the north. 01:23:55.020 --> 01:24:03.300 We also posted on the city's website and also newspaper notices were sent out or published. 01:24:03.300 --> 01:24:08.140 Mailed out were notices to property notes within 200 feet, 18 in total, and then also 01:24:08.140 --> 01:24:13.660 postcards or courtesy notices were mailed out to properties within 500 feet, 27 were 01:24:13.660 --> 01:24:14.920 sent out. 01:24:14.920 --> 01:24:21.300 As of this afternoon, staff has only received one response, and that response is in opposition. 01:24:21.300 --> 01:24:26.860 And a copy of that response has been provided to the commission. 01:24:26.860 --> 01:24:32.740 With the staff analysis, staff recommends approval as it complies with the sections 01:24:32.740 --> 01:24:44.140 that's listed here, 2.4.5E as well as section 2.7.2.D. 01:24:44.140 --> 01:24:46.100 With that, that concludes my presentation. 01:24:46.100 --> 01:24:52.220 I'll stand for any questions, and the applicant's representative is also present and can answer 01:24:52.220 --> 01:24:53.220 any question. 01:24:53.220 --> 01:24:58.660 I also believe that there is a presentation that they have, so again, just to let you 01:24:58.660 --> 01:24:59.660 all know. 01:24:59.660 --> 01:25:01.820 Thank you, Ron. 01:25:01.820 --> 01:25:03.580 Commissioner Smith does have a question for you. 01:25:03.580 --> 01:25:04.580 Thank you, Chair. 01:25:04.580 --> 01:25:08.100 Ron, were the properties in the ETJ, did they get those notices too? 01:25:08.100 --> 01:25:09.100 Did we change that? 01:25:09.100 --> 01:25:10.580 No, they do not get notices. 01:25:10.580 --> 01:25:12.180 They're just properties within the city of Dunn. 01:25:12.180 --> 01:25:13.180 Gotcha. 01:25:13.180 --> 01:25:14.180 That's what I thought. 01:25:14.180 --> 01:25:15.180 I thought we were trying to get that. 01:25:15.180 --> 01:25:16.180 That's correct. 01:25:16.180 --> 01:25:17.180 Thanks. 01:25:17.180 --> 01:25:19.780 Just to add that the signs were posted, and then we did get some calls. 01:25:19.780 --> 01:25:20.780 Gotcha. 01:25:20.780 --> 01:25:24.100 Ron, did you attend the neighborhood meetings at all? 01:25:24.100 --> 01:25:25.100 I'm sorry? 01:25:25.100 --> 01:25:26.860 Did you attend the virtual meetings? 01:25:26.860 --> 01:25:27.860 Yes. 01:25:27.860 --> 01:25:31.420 So, was there any discussion or concern on uses? 01:25:31.420 --> 01:25:34.580 Was that discussed with the neighborhoods? 01:25:34.580 --> 01:25:37.220 Yeah, there were some concerns with use. 01:25:37.220 --> 01:25:40.260 Obviously, there is not one proposed, so they weren't sure what it is. 01:25:40.260 --> 01:25:43.700 So I think that was really their concern is really what the use is and then how it would 01:25:43.700 --> 01:25:47.740 be screened, like anybody that, you know, obviously sees development, they would want 01:25:47.740 --> 01:25:48.740 to have some screening. 01:25:48.740 --> 01:25:53.260 So generally, yes, there was discussion on what type of use and what type of screening 01:25:53.260 --> 01:25:54.260 would be provided. 01:25:54.260 --> 01:25:55.260 Okay. 01:25:55.260 --> 01:26:01.300 I did feel, excuse me, Commissioner, I did feel to mention that I did have some responses 01:26:01.300 --> 01:26:04.220 to some of the questions during work session. 01:26:04.220 --> 01:26:12.260 One, the widening of 380, the text-dot widening is going to occur, however, it is really in 01:26:12.260 --> 01:26:14.220 the feasibility stage right now. 01:26:14.220 --> 01:26:17.940 And we know that there's going to be some additional right of way required, but we don't 01:26:17.940 --> 01:26:20.020 know exactly how much. 01:26:20.020 --> 01:26:21.380 So that is just one of the questions. 01:26:21.380 --> 01:26:26.860 The other question is related to the zoning to the west and how the LI zoning district 01:26:26.860 --> 01:26:34.140 was generated back in 2002 when they rezoned the citywide area. 01:26:34.140 --> 01:26:41.020 Prior to the 2002, it was agriculture, similar to what this was prior to as well. 01:26:41.020 --> 01:26:47.080 And at that time, I believe that they chose the ECI, the Employment Center Industrial 01:26:47.080 --> 01:26:53.500 Zoning District, as a means of potentially seeing that area grow industrial because there 01:26:53.500 --> 01:26:58.700 are industrial uses to the west and generally zone industrial as well. 01:26:58.700 --> 01:27:04.940 So that is my understanding and how they got there is really based on the possibility or 01:27:04.940 --> 01:27:12.380 the assumption that there was industrial uses already to the west of that subject property. 01:27:12.380 --> 01:27:13.580 Thanks for that, Ron. 01:27:13.580 --> 01:27:14.580 Commissioner Smith? 01:27:14.580 --> 01:27:16.620 Thank you, Chair. 01:27:16.620 --> 01:27:22.360 I haven't seen these sort of strict annexations recently. 01:27:22.360 --> 01:27:30.420 Can you explain what the reasoning for doing that is and what the vision is typically when 01:27:30.420 --> 01:27:31.500 a city undergoes that? 01:27:31.500 --> 01:27:34.420 I think this was quite a while when that annexation happened. 01:27:34.420 --> 01:27:39.820 In 1969, it was this one, and there were similar ones in other parts of the city, Fort Worth 01:27:39.820 --> 01:27:45.220 Drive, even 35 to the north, you see these strict annexations. 01:27:45.220 --> 01:27:50.240 And really, the purpose there is to extend our ETJ boundaries. 01:27:50.240 --> 01:27:55.740 So as the city grows north or east, west, wherever it may be, so does the ETJ boundary. 01:27:55.740 --> 01:28:02.580 And again, that's sort of what happens in those situations. 01:28:02.580 --> 01:28:04.580 Any other questions for Ron? 01:28:04.580 --> 01:28:05.580 Okay. 01:28:05.580 --> 01:28:06.580 Thanks, Ron. 01:28:06.580 --> 01:28:15.540 I do have a couple of cards here, so I'll invite the applicant up for her presentation. 01:28:15.540 --> 01:28:17.860 Hi, Amy. 01:28:17.860 --> 01:28:19.300 Hello. 01:28:19.300 --> 01:28:20.300 Good evening, commissioners. 01:28:20.300 --> 01:28:26.540 My name's Amy Bissett with 97 Land Company, 100 West Oak Denton, 76201. 01:28:26.540 --> 01:28:32.220 I do have a very brief presentation to give, but I want to start by saying that I did watch 01:28:32.220 --> 01:28:38.860 the work session and would like, will attempt throughout the course of the presentation 01:28:38.860 --> 01:28:42.340 to answer the questions that I heard. 01:28:42.340 --> 01:28:43.340 Okay. 01:28:43.340 --> 01:28:46.980 I'll let you do it. 01:28:46.980 --> 01:28:49.260 Thank you, Ron. 01:28:49.260 --> 01:29:09.860 All right, so I do want to address the questions that I heard in work session and the concerns 01:29:09.860 --> 01:29:13.960 that I heard in work session and maybe provide a little bit of color on the conversations 01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:20.140 that we have had with the neighborhoods, our neighborhood meetings, and talk about options 01:29:20.140 --> 01:29:21.140 from here. 01:29:21.140 --> 01:29:26.780 So I do want to reiterate what Ron said earlier in his presentation that this is a strip that 01:29:26.780 --> 01:29:29.780 was annexed in 1969. 01:29:29.780 --> 01:29:31.260 It was annexed at the time. 01:29:31.260 --> 01:29:40.220 It was an agricultural zoning and has been rezoned twice in citywide zonings, remaining 01:29:40.220 --> 01:29:44.180 low density residential. 01:29:44.180 --> 01:29:48.540 The pattern of development in this area is really why we chose the LI Zoning District 01:29:48.540 --> 01:29:49.540 as our request. 01:29:49.540 --> 01:29:53.020 I want to start by addressing that to some extent, and then I'm going to continue to 01:29:53.020 --> 01:29:56.680 answer that question as I move through the presentation. 01:29:56.680 --> 01:30:01.900 So as you all know, I represent multiple projects in the City of Denton, and I have two others 01:30:01.900 --> 01:30:07.820 along this corridor, one of which you'll see in a couple of weeks, all of which are light, 01:30:07.820 --> 01:30:09.260 industrial, and nature. 01:30:09.260 --> 01:30:14.580 And when you do look at the whole corridor along 380, what you see is that the predominant 01:30:14.580 --> 01:30:18.820 pattern of non-residential zoning is light industrial. 01:30:18.820 --> 01:30:23.980 So when I sat with my client and we talked about the possible zoning designations, this 01:30:23.980 --> 01:30:31.260 is the one that made the most sense in terms of consistent zoning across a corridor rather 01:30:31.260 --> 01:30:35.260 than piecemealing a different zoning in here. 01:30:35.260 --> 01:30:39.980 So that was one of the main reasons that we selected light industrial. 01:30:39.980 --> 01:30:46.520 My client purchased this property with, they're a real estate company, and they purchased 01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:48.980 the property for future development. 01:30:48.980 --> 01:30:55.800 It's a real estate investment for them, and obviously a low density residential zoning 01:30:55.800 --> 01:31:00.620 is not really marketable for them, and it's not necessarily appropriate along Highway 01:31:00.620 --> 01:31:02.260 380 today. 01:31:02.260 --> 01:31:07.840 And so we sat down and began to explore what is an appropriate zoning designation. 01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:12.320 Their marketing intent when they purchased this property was to be as flexible as possible 01:31:12.320 --> 01:31:19.020 to market it for warehousing offices or retail and pad sites, understanding the development 01:31:19.020 --> 01:31:24.940 pattern, moving through this area, and seeing that there is quite a bit of demand for warehouse 01:31:24.940 --> 01:31:34.260 type uses, specifically those that are transportation focused because of the thoroughfare nature 01:31:34.260 --> 01:31:36.500 of Highway 380. 01:31:36.500 --> 01:31:40.740 So they wanted to seek an appropriate zoning designation. 01:31:40.740 --> 01:31:42.960 We did talk about multiple ones. 01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:47.340 This one seemed to be the one that fit and gave them the most flexibility in terms of 01:31:47.340 --> 01:31:50.820 being able to market the property going forward. 01:31:50.820 --> 01:31:58.160 They also intend to develop to city standards versus the county standards that do not regulate 01:31:58.160 --> 01:32:05.180 use or have other design standards associated with it that are in the ETJ. 01:32:05.180 --> 01:32:10.860 So we've talked about how that might come to fruition, and we've had conversations 01:32:10.860 --> 01:32:14.500 with the neighbors about how that would come to fruition, and I want to go into a little 01:32:14.500 --> 01:32:16.840 more detail about that. 01:32:16.840 --> 01:32:19.220 So we did hold two neighborhood meetings. 01:32:19.220 --> 01:32:24.500 We did actually, I believe, mail to those in the ETJ because the majority of our participants 01:32:24.500 --> 01:32:28.260 were from the ETJ, neighbors to our north. 01:32:28.260 --> 01:32:33.540 I have highlighted in green on your screen the neighbors that we have had conversations 01:32:33.540 --> 01:32:35.020 with or who have registered. 01:32:35.020 --> 01:32:38.340 There's one that's registered opposition this afternoon. 01:32:38.340 --> 01:32:45.580 So we did have two neighborhood meetings, and what we heard was that, generally speaking, 01:32:45.580 --> 01:32:52.700 they represented the single-family owners that are to our north and northeast, and their 01:32:52.700 --> 01:32:56.160 concerns were related to jurisdictional authority. 01:32:56.160 --> 01:33:01.020 If we were to develop on the county side instead of the city side, what would that mean for 01:33:01.020 --> 01:33:02.020 them? 01:33:02.020 --> 01:33:03.500 There would be no use regulations. 01:33:03.500 --> 01:33:07.340 There would be no development regulations. 01:33:07.340 --> 01:33:12.620 Anything could go there, and my client at that time committed to the neighborhood that 01:33:12.620 --> 01:33:17.340 they would take access off of 380 and not off of Trinity, which then triggers the city 01:33:17.340 --> 01:33:21.740 requirements for development regulations, even on the county side. 01:33:21.740 --> 01:33:26.620 We also heard that there was some interest or concern about the extension of water and 01:33:26.620 --> 01:33:27.860 sewer from the west. 01:33:27.860 --> 01:33:31.620 Specifically, they were concerned about who was going to pay for that. 01:33:31.620 --> 01:33:37.040 My client made it clear that if and when this property develops, it will be on them to both 01:33:37.040 --> 01:33:40.260 extend those services and pay for those services. 01:33:40.260 --> 01:33:44.060 That would not be an obligation by the city. 01:33:44.060 --> 01:33:51.540 We heard about possible land uses and tenants and the concerns associated with those, and 01:33:51.540 --> 01:33:57.580 most of the uses that came up in those conversations, all of those uses that came up in those conversations, 01:33:57.580 --> 01:34:04.660 either require an SUP or they have use-specific standards that specifically protect the residential 01:34:04.660 --> 01:34:06.460 areas. 01:34:06.460 --> 01:34:12.620 Some of those would be your automotive repair-related uses where you can't leave cars parked outside, 01:34:12.620 --> 01:34:18.900 outside storage that has to be screened from view, landscaping and fencing requirements, 01:34:18.900 --> 01:34:21.340 things of that nature. 01:34:21.340 --> 01:34:26.860 Then lastly, we heard about traffic on Trinity, specifically because they are a single-family 01:34:26.860 --> 01:34:29.380 neighborhood that is north of the site. 01:34:29.380 --> 01:34:35.820 They did not want to see access taken off of Trinity for this project. 01:34:35.820 --> 01:34:41.020 I think it's obvious, but my client also committed to the neighborhood that they would take their 01:34:41.020 --> 01:34:43.780 primary access off of 380. 01:34:43.780 --> 01:34:49.720 That's obviously desirable from a marketing standpoint and development standpoint as well. 01:34:49.720 --> 01:34:56.060 Trinity Road is a narrow two-lane road that really wouldn't be adequate for any sort of 01:34:56.060 --> 01:35:02.460 commercial access without some sort of improvements to it, which would be assessed at the time 01:35:02.460 --> 01:35:10.220 of platting if this did go forward. 01:35:10.220 --> 01:35:16.500 With that, I want to go back to the conversations that I heard in work session today. 01:35:16.500 --> 01:35:21.060 Commissioner Cole, I heard you say that this is surrounded by rural homes. 01:35:21.060 --> 01:35:25.440 Why light industrial? 01:35:25.440 --> 01:35:28.740 I explained why we went with light industrial to begin with. 01:35:28.740 --> 01:35:33.860 It's just the existing pattern all along that corridor, and we did not want to create an 01:35:33.860 --> 01:35:36.940 inconsistent pattern of zoning. 01:35:36.940 --> 01:35:44.260 Secondly, we did make quite a bit of effort to engage those neighbors, both on the north 01:35:44.260 --> 01:35:49.380 side and the south side of the project, to hear their concerns, address their concerns, 01:35:49.380 --> 01:35:54.380 and to get any sort of feel for opposition that we might hear from them. 01:35:54.380 --> 01:35:57.380 We heard very little. 01:35:57.380 --> 01:36:04.900 I don't know why that is, per se, but we did not hear from either the city or from the 01:36:04.900 --> 01:36:09.860 neighbors that they wanted to see a different zoning designation, and this one seemed to 01:36:09.860 --> 01:36:15.780 be the most compatible with what's already there today. 01:36:15.780 --> 01:36:22.260 Having said that, we're a few months in now, and my client has had more conversations with 01:36:22.260 --> 01:36:29.820 potential prospects, and it is possible that another zoning designation could fit here, 01:36:29.820 --> 01:36:34.780 but we would need to be able to step back and reevaluate that. 01:36:34.780 --> 01:36:38.860 Having said that, their preference is light industrial, and they believe that the protections 01:36:38.860 --> 01:36:44.620 are in place for the neighbors, whether it's light industrial or another zoning designation, 01:36:44.620 --> 01:36:49.980 because we would be under the regulatory authority of the city of Denton and the youth-specific 01:36:49.980 --> 01:36:55.660 standards and SUP standards associated with some of those more intense uses that might 01:36:55.660 --> 01:37:01.420 be undesirable or need some protection for the neighbors. 01:37:01.420 --> 01:37:07.580 With that, I'm happy to answer any questions. 01:37:07.580 --> 01:37:08.580 Thank you. 01:37:08.580 --> 01:37:10.420 Commissioner Pruitt, did you have a question? 01:37:10.420 --> 01:37:11.420 You're on the board. 01:37:11.420 --> 01:37:14.140 That's from before. 01:37:14.140 --> 01:37:15.140 Commissioner Smith. 01:37:15.140 --> 01:37:16.140 Thank you, Chair. 01:37:16.140 --> 01:37:23.220 I understand the zoning from the sense of how the development west has been. 01:37:23.220 --> 01:37:25.060 It's been L.I. all the way up to there. 01:37:25.060 --> 01:37:30.700 I think the difference, in my opinion, would be that they have more land for them to be 01:37:30.700 --> 01:37:32.500 able to do L.I. 01:37:32.500 --> 01:37:34.260 What is your opinion on that? 01:37:34.260 --> 01:37:39.960 Having that strip zoning there, that narrow piece of property to be working with, there's 01:37:39.960 --> 01:37:46.500 plenty of L.I. uses, as you mentioned, warehouse, retail space, pad sites. 01:37:46.500 --> 01:37:52.500 But if that's the case, those things can also be in an HC or in some instances, not everything, 01:37:52.500 --> 01:37:56.000 but even an SC or something like that. 01:37:56.000 --> 01:38:00.140 The intent here is that the client would develop both sides of the property, both what's in 01:38:00.140 --> 01:38:04.580 the ETJ and on the city side, so it wouldn't necessarily be development only on the strip 01:38:04.580 --> 01:38:05.580 side. 01:38:05.580 --> 01:38:10.060 But the strip side, that zoning would control the development regulations of the entire 01:38:10.060 --> 01:38:11.060 site. 01:38:11.060 --> 01:38:15.540 We've actually done some conceptual exercises to try to figure out what would fit there 01:38:15.540 --> 01:38:17.620 as they begin to market this. 01:38:17.620 --> 01:38:19.300 We've put some pad sites on the corner. 01:38:19.300 --> 01:38:26.380 We've put a couple of smaller warehouse and office flex spaces that fit, but the scale 01:38:26.380 --> 01:38:32.980 is obviously impacted by the size of the property, so while L.I. may have some larger scale projects 01:38:32.980 --> 01:38:38.340 to the west, it would be limited here to some smaller projects just by the nature of the 01:38:38.340 --> 01:38:39.340 site itself. 01:38:39.340 --> 01:38:40.340 Gotcha. 01:38:40.340 --> 01:38:44.700 But going in with L.I., even into the ETJ property, section of the property, that would 01:38:44.700 --> 01:38:45.700 be kind of the intent. 01:38:45.700 --> 01:38:46.700 Correct. 01:38:46.700 --> 01:38:47.700 Correct. 01:38:47.700 --> 01:38:52.020 Our understanding is that if we take access through the zoning of the city of Denton, 01:38:52.020 --> 01:38:57.700 we will be governed both land use and regulations on the entire property. 01:38:57.700 --> 01:38:58.700 Okay. 01:38:58.700 --> 01:39:00.700 Thank you. 01:39:00.700 --> 01:39:01.700 Commissioner Anderson. 01:39:01.700 --> 01:39:03.300 Hey, thanks, Amy. 01:39:03.300 --> 01:39:11.140 One of my concerns now, hearing that it might be warehouse and storage, is people pulling 01:39:11.140 --> 01:39:13.420 in and out of a 380 with trailers. 01:39:13.420 --> 01:39:19.660 People are doing 65, 70 through there, and you're going to have people with a 10-, 20-foot 01:39:19.660 --> 01:39:26.660 trailer trying to pull across and go across two or three lanes of traffic to go eastbound, 01:39:26.660 --> 01:39:31.620 and I think there's 380s already, a lot of accidents, and I think that's just going to 01:39:31.620 --> 01:39:37.660 be a big accident hazard just waiting to happen with people pulling trailers, because I know 01:39:37.660 --> 01:39:42.540 a lot of landscape companies usually use warehouses and storage places like this to store their 01:39:42.540 --> 01:39:46.660 equipment and stuff like this, and I just see it being a big accident waiting to happen 01:39:46.660 --> 01:39:50.580 with trailers, people with trailers trying to pull in and out, people moving into Denton, 01:39:50.580 --> 01:39:54.260 or people storing their furniture there with trailers pulling in and out. 01:39:54.260 --> 01:39:56.020 To me, that's kind of scary. 01:39:56.020 --> 01:40:00.540 I hear your point, and I don't think it would be self-storage necessarily. 01:40:00.540 --> 01:40:07.700 I think it would be more of like a distribution type facility, and any substantial trunk traffic 01:40:07.700 --> 01:40:12.880 I think would warrant a turn signal, or not, I'm sorry, not a turn signal, a decel lane 01:40:12.880 --> 01:40:17.140 on our part at the cost of the developer to make sure that they are pulled off of the 01:40:17.140 --> 01:40:24.060 main lane prior to turning in, but depending on what ultimately develops there, we would 01:40:24.060 --> 01:40:29.060 have to look at that traffic impact specifically and make sure that it's mitigated for, but 01:40:29.060 --> 01:40:31.780 I definitely hear your concerns, I drive that every day. 01:40:31.780 --> 01:40:38.940 Would they be entertaining the thought of maybe doing some commercial stuff there instead 01:40:38.940 --> 01:40:40.740 of industrial? 01:40:40.740 --> 01:40:45.060 I would have to go back and talk with them about that. 01:40:45.060 --> 01:40:50.220 I did see on there that you said retail pads, I think that would be better than commercial. 01:40:50.220 --> 01:40:54.680 I think they're open to that, but in their marketing efforts to date, they've found 01:40:54.680 --> 01:40:59.420 that there's a lot of demand for the light industrial type uses out there. 01:40:59.420 --> 01:41:05.060 As they see that pattern continue to develop, that's where those users are looking. 01:41:05.060 --> 01:41:07.780 I think they're still open to retail pad sites. 01:41:07.780 --> 01:41:13.340 Our first conceptual exercise included a couple of those, especially on the corner there. 01:41:13.340 --> 01:41:17.900 Yeah, I mean, because that's one of my big concerns is traffic, pulling in and out with 01:41:17.900 --> 01:41:20.340 trailers trying to get across three lanes of traffic. 01:41:20.340 --> 01:41:21.340 Absolutely. 01:41:21.340 --> 01:41:25.740 People cruising through there pretty fast, so okay, thanks, Amy. 01:41:25.740 --> 01:41:28.300 Amy, I did have a question for you. 01:41:28.300 --> 01:41:34.060 You talked about concern of traffic on Trinity. 01:41:34.060 --> 01:41:37.480 There's no way to guarantee that the development wouldn't be on Trinity. 01:41:37.480 --> 01:41:38.500 There's really no way to do that. 01:41:38.500 --> 01:41:42.320 This is a zoning change request, right? 01:41:42.320 --> 01:41:46.380 So you've allayed the fears by talking to them, but there's really nothing to say that 01:41:46.380 --> 01:41:48.620 that can't happen, right? 01:41:48.620 --> 01:41:50.740 As far as I know, that is correct. 01:41:50.740 --> 01:41:55.980 I think that they would intend to and want to take access off of 380, but from a zoning 01:41:55.980 --> 01:41:58.500 standpoint, that can't be restricted. 01:41:58.500 --> 01:42:00.500 Right, right. 01:42:00.500 --> 01:42:02.900 That's definitely a concern of mine. 01:42:02.900 --> 01:42:07.100 Any other questions for Amy? 01:42:07.100 --> 01:42:08.420 I don't see any at this time, though. 01:42:08.420 --> 01:42:09.420 Okay, thank you. 01:42:09.420 --> 01:42:10.420 You know what? 01:42:10.420 --> 01:42:11.420 I stand corrected. 01:42:11.420 --> 01:42:13.220 I have one more question. 01:42:13.220 --> 01:42:19.380 Would your applicant consider a possible postponement to re-look at some of the things and think 01:42:19.380 --> 01:42:21.700 about some of the discussion that we've had today? 01:42:21.700 --> 01:42:26.620 I think that if what we're hearing here is concerns for this specific zoning designation, 01:42:26.620 --> 01:42:28.620 that would be our preference, yes, as a postponement. 01:42:28.620 --> 01:42:38.140 I think a lot of concerns heard and one mind, too, is taking into considerations these special 01:42:38.140 --> 01:42:44.980 areas of this rural living and really making the best decision that we can, knowing that 01:42:44.980 --> 01:42:54.700 obviously land that fronts the university being R2 is not, obviously, that's not appropriate, 01:42:54.700 --> 01:42:57.060 but what is the best? 01:42:57.060 --> 01:43:03.300 We would consider a postponement, and that would be preferable over an undesirable outcome 01:43:03.300 --> 01:43:06.020 today because light industrial is the issue. 01:43:06.020 --> 01:43:07.020 Understood. 01:43:07.020 --> 01:43:08.020 Okay. 01:43:08.020 --> 01:43:09.500 Thank you for presenting. 01:43:09.500 --> 01:43:12.420 I do have another card here wishing to speak. 01:43:12.420 --> 01:43:16.540 From Bud, is it Fuson? 01:43:16.540 --> 01:43:17.540 Fuson. 01:43:17.540 --> 01:43:18.540 Bud Fuson. 01:43:18.540 --> 01:43:19.540 Well, welcome. 01:43:19.540 --> 01:43:22.460 If you'll state your name and address, you will have minutes to speak. 01:43:22.460 --> 01:43:23.460 Okay. 01:43:23.460 --> 01:43:24.460 Bud Fuson. 01:43:24.460 --> 01:43:30.060 I live at 1828 Countryside Drive, which is at the corner of Fish Trap, and your point 01:43:30.060 --> 01:43:34.820 on the traffic was very valid because there have been three people killed at Trinity in 01:43:34.820 --> 01:43:41.700 380 in the last year and a half, so every time you pull out on 380 from Trinity, you're 01:43:41.700 --> 01:43:44.980 basically taking your life in your hands. 01:43:44.980 --> 01:43:50.460 Beyond that, my initial question was, you know, what was the classification of light 01:43:50.460 --> 01:43:54.100 industrial, but I think that's been answered. 01:43:54.100 --> 01:44:01.060 Pretty much anything goes, and I would definitely hate to see that, as I live just north of 01:44:01.060 --> 01:44:11.220 this property on Fish Trap, and I would certainly hate to see the property values plummet. 01:44:11.220 --> 01:44:18.940 As an aside, on this property, there's a tree line, and there's kind of a buffer between 01:44:18.940 --> 01:44:25.300 the noise on 380, and whatever happens on that property, I would certainly hope to see 01:44:25.300 --> 01:44:32.120 that tree line maintained, so thank you. 01:44:32.120 --> 01:44:36.340 Thank you for coming to share your points with us. 01:44:36.340 --> 01:44:38.940 Any questions for Mr. Fuson? 01:44:38.940 --> 01:44:45.100 All right, that is the only card I have left. 01:44:45.100 --> 01:44:46.940 This is a public hearing. 01:44:46.940 --> 01:44:54.740 Anyone else wishing to speak, whether you filled out a card or not? 01:44:54.740 --> 01:45:00.660 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing, and I will make a point, as Ron stated, that 01:45:00.660 --> 01:45:08.380 we all did receive in writing a note in opposition, and that will be recorded with the city secretary. 01:45:08.380 --> 01:45:15.680 At this point, the chair can entertain discussion or a motion, Commissioner Anderson. 01:45:15.680 --> 01:45:22.220 To be a good steward, I'd make a motion to postpone it, to let them listen to our comments 01:45:22.220 --> 01:45:26.700 and suggestions instead of just totally denying it, so we can come up with a solution to be 01:45:26.700 --> 01:45:30.940 a good steward to the neighbors and to the city, something that would work for both. 01:45:30.940 --> 01:45:38.620 I mean, would we give them a 30-day extension, Ron, is that what we'd do, or Haley? 01:45:38.620 --> 01:45:46.180 Well, I wouldn't want to give an indefinite date, I mean, would 30 days be fine, Amy? 01:45:46.180 --> 01:45:50.020 We can look at the calendar and identify a date, I don't have it. 01:45:50.020 --> 01:45:54.620 I mean, I think a 30-day is October 6, is that right, that's what we did on the others. 01:45:54.620 --> 01:45:59.460 Our preference would be to come back sooner rather than later, so either the September 01:45:59.460 --> 01:46:05.860 22nd or October 6th, the 22nd, I think we could be quick enough to be back two weeks 01:46:05.860 --> 01:46:06.860 from now. 01:46:06.860 --> 01:46:11.340 But just in case, would October 6th be better, I mean, or we can do September 22nd, that's 01:46:11.340 --> 01:46:13.660 up to you, I mean. 01:46:13.660 --> 01:46:18.260 I don't know if that agenda's too full, Haley. 01:46:18.260 --> 01:46:22.060 We have quite a few public hearings coming up, but either date could work, whatever is 01:46:22.060 --> 01:46:23.060 best for the applicant. 01:46:23.060 --> 01:46:24.060 Yeah. 01:46:24.060 --> 01:46:27.180 I mean, I just don't want to try to rush it through and y'all not get through in time, 01:46:27.180 --> 01:46:31.860 and then we have to deny it, or I'd rather give y'all 30 days, and then come back if 01:46:31.860 --> 01:46:33.140 you wanted to come back earlier or something. 01:46:33.140 --> 01:46:36.340 I think my client's preference would be the sooner date. 01:46:36.340 --> 01:46:37.340 Okay. 01:46:37.340 --> 01:46:38.340 Just to keep things moving. 01:46:38.340 --> 01:46:41.980 Then why don't we postpone it to September 22nd? 01:46:41.980 --> 01:46:42.980 Okay. 01:46:42.980 --> 01:46:48.940 So your motion on the floor is to postpone this item to a date certain of September 22nd? 01:46:48.940 --> 01:46:49.940 Yes. 01:46:49.940 --> 01:46:50.940 Okay. 01:46:50.940 --> 01:46:51.940 Commissioner Cole? 01:46:51.940 --> 01:46:52.940 Second. 01:46:52.940 --> 01:46:59.820 You have a second to postpone to a date certain of September 22nd. 01:46:59.820 --> 01:47:00.820 Commissioner Pruitt? 01:47:00.820 --> 01:47:01.820 Yeah. 01:47:01.820 --> 01:47:09.780 Just a couple thoughts, since I didn't have the opportunity during the presentation. 01:47:09.780 --> 01:47:18.100 I haven't yet been convinced that strip annexation is what you do in a position where you can 01:47:18.100 --> 01:47:19.620 make good planning decisions. 01:47:19.620 --> 01:47:26.460 Instead, you have these strips of land, and it always seems to be butted up against an 01:47:26.460 --> 01:47:30.940 existing use, like rural homes, and it's a very strange situation. 01:47:30.940 --> 01:47:35.580 With that said, if it wasn't annexed, it would be county property, and we'd have no jurisdiction 01:47:35.580 --> 01:47:40.140 over the use, and the landowner would be able to do whatever they could within the county 01:47:40.140 --> 01:47:41.140 regulations. 01:47:41.140 --> 01:47:45.620 So, you know, we'll see what it comes back with. 01:47:45.620 --> 01:47:49.620 I'm not opposed to postponing it. 01:47:49.620 --> 01:47:58.300 I think we just need to keep in mind what the situation is and how we got here. 01:47:58.300 --> 01:48:00.340 Thank you, Commissioner Pruitt, for your thoughts. 01:48:00.340 --> 01:48:01.340 Commissioner Smith? 01:48:01.340 --> 01:48:02.340 Thank you, Chair. 01:48:02.340 --> 01:48:08.500 I'm in line with Commissioner Pruitt in that, you know, I don't think that strip annexation 01:48:08.500 --> 01:48:14.260 was necessarily good for being able to develop, you know, very rural areas, and definitely 01:48:14.260 --> 01:48:19.780 done for the sake of being able to extend ETJ, and it stinks that applicants and their 01:48:19.780 --> 01:48:24.260 representatives have to suffer for this, but, you know, I think that's a worry that I do 01:48:24.260 --> 01:48:25.260 have. 01:48:25.260 --> 01:48:28.660 If this was, you know, what I always have where it's the project is what you're really 01:48:28.660 --> 01:48:31.540 looking at when you're looking at a zoning case, in this scenario, we're actually truly 01:48:31.540 --> 01:48:38.780 looking at a zoning case with no real project behind it, but I would hate to make what is 01:48:38.780 --> 01:48:45.900 a major thoroughfare major gateway into the city from the east to be 100% defined by the 01:48:45.900 --> 01:48:50.380 industrial nature that is up and down 380 definitely already exists there, but much 01:48:50.380 --> 01:48:56.420 like what we had on the project on 77 Northside north of north of 288. 01:48:56.420 --> 01:49:01.540 We have a little bit of a decision and to say as a commission to be able to decide if 01:49:01.540 --> 01:49:04.820 a gateway into the city looks a certain way. 01:49:04.820 --> 01:49:10.180 We have that choice and so I'm going to support the table to possibly say well if there isn't 01:49:10.180 --> 01:49:14.700 a project with somebody already there and needing light industrial then what possibilities 01:49:14.700 --> 01:49:20.280 are there for an HC or an SC and the marketability for that because I feel like those zonings 01:49:20.280 --> 01:49:28.500 would would bring a much more attractive and even useful for Mr. Bud here zoning that retail 01:49:28.500 --> 01:49:34.060 spaces commercial centers that their rural neighbors could have access to could possibly 01:49:34.060 --> 01:49:39.100 be there instead of just warehousing we've got enough warehousing out there so I will 01:49:39.100 --> 01:49:41.300 be in support of it. 01:49:41.300 --> 01:49:46.340 Thank you Commissioner Smith why look forward to this coming back I think there were some 01:49:46.340 --> 01:49:52.980 great thoughts shared and I think more discussion and thoughtfulness is needed on this so we'll 01:49:52.980 --> 01:49:58.940 see what happens with that I will call for a vote on the board to prove an extension 01:49:58.940 --> 01:50:09.260 to a date certain of September twenty second. 01:50:09.260 --> 01:50:14.500 Motion carries seven zero. 01:50:14.500 --> 01:50:19.060 Ron I believe this gentleman has if you could answer his question please thank you. 01:50:19.060 --> 01:50:25.540 That will move us to item five BZ twenty one zero zero one three I'll invite Mark Laird 01:50:25.540 --> 01:50:47.580 up for presentation and open the public hearing. 01:50:47.580 --> 01:50:51.420 Good evening my name is Mark Laird I'm a planner for the development service department this 01:50:51.420 --> 01:50:57.620 evening for your review and consideration I have a request to rezone one point three 01:50:57.620 --> 01:51:03.660 seven two acre track from rural residential to residential one this property is located 01:51:03.660 --> 01:51:09.500 on Miller Road east of Moss Branch Road the site is currently vacant and is surrounded 01:51:09.500 --> 01:51:15.020 by rural residential residential two and ETJ. 01:51:15.020 --> 01:51:18.540 The property owner is requesting the rezoning to allow for site compliance to develop the 01:51:18.540 --> 01:51:28.060 property for single family use and 2010 the city annexes area and part of the annexation 01:51:28.060 --> 01:51:34.740 is on the designation of RD five X with adoption of the current code that transition to the 01:51:34.740 --> 01:51:44.540 rural residential the map on the right shows the proposed zoning request. 01:51:44.540 --> 01:51:50.320 This evening for our discussion I'll be focusing on items three eight three and eight for the 01:51:50.320 --> 01:51:57.020 general approval criteria for all applications and items three six and seven of the zoning 01:51:57.020 --> 01:52:06.660 criteria for approval the site the didn't plan 2030 has a site designated as business 01:52:06.660 --> 01:52:12.940 innovation this business innovation is intended for large scale office employment parks lot 01:52:12.940 --> 01:52:19.020 manufacturing and support of residential and commercial uses business innovation land use 01:52:19.020 --> 01:52:24.660 is a mixed use designation and residential development is not entirely discouraged within 01:52:24.660 --> 01:52:30.700 these uses given that the lot is located under on the urban fringe with limited connectivity 01:52:30.700 --> 01:52:37.980 to in rural roadways the current development pattern of the subject site and lot surrounding 01:52:37.980 --> 01:52:43.460 area are appropriate in this area the subject property is within a well-established large 01:52:43.460 --> 01:52:50.860 single family lot development and under goal LU dash three of the comprehensive plan related 01:52:50.860 --> 01:52:56.020 to maintaining a strengthening neighborhoods infill is encouraged of vacant lots within 01:52:56.020 --> 01:52:59.660 residential areas. 01:52:59.660 --> 01:53:04.140 Our one zoning district is not consistent with the business innovation designation it 01:53:04.140 --> 01:53:13.100 is consistent with the neighborhood surrounding areas minimizing adverse impacts on surrounding 01:53:13.100 --> 01:53:18.740 property our one is consistent with the surrounding area and the proposed zoning will allow the 01:53:18.740 --> 01:53:25.700 development of a single-family detached dwelling direct vehicular connection to Miller Road 01:53:25.700 --> 01:53:31.620 is only from Mosh Branch Road development will require conformance with the current 01:53:31.620 --> 01:53:39.140 site plan design standards including screening and landscaping public facilities and services 01:53:39.140 --> 01:53:44.380 available to serve the property as far as transportation one driveway connection to 01:53:44.380 --> 01:53:49.660 Mill Road this property is located within the school independent school district the 01:53:49.660 --> 01:53:54.900 property is approximately 5.1 miles to the nearest park and does not meet the parks requirement 01:53:54.900 --> 01:54:02.060 of a 10-minute walk to a park the site is has available public water service from an 01:54:02.060 --> 01:54:09.100 8-inch waterline however wastewater is not the site can be served by onsite septic system 01:54:09.100 --> 01:54:14.660 the nearest fast fire station is 4.6 miles and is not within the 8-minute or less response 01:54:14.660 --> 01:54:21.780 time boundary error in establishing the current zoning district there was not an error in 01:54:21.780 --> 01:54:26.100 the assignment of the current zoning addition as mentioned earlier this property was annexed 01:54:26.100 --> 01:54:35.660 in 2010 and received the RD 5x zoning designation to meet the current standards of the development 01:54:35.660 --> 01:54:41.260 code the property must be rezoned to a district smaller with the minimum lot size therefore 01:54:41.260 --> 01:54:50.020 the existing RR excuse me therefore the existing rural residential district is no longer appropriate 01:54:50.020 --> 01:54:58.380 walkout reach was made newspaper ads were placed signs posted 12 public noses were were 01:54:58.380 --> 01:55:04.020 sent out within the 200-foot radius and 13 courtesy notices were mailed out at this time 01:55:04.020 --> 01:55:10.620 we have received no responses staff recommends approval of the request as it complies to 01:55:10.620 --> 01:55:17.580 sections 2.45 E and 2.72 D of Denton Development Code I stand for any questions that you may 01:55:17.580 --> 01:55:27.780 have thank you mark any questions I do not see any thank you for the presentation this 01:55:27.780 --> 01:55:34.340 is a public hearing I don't have any cards but anyone is welcome to speak on this item 01:55:34.340 --> 01:55:42.100 and Stuart I assume we don't have anyone on the phone correct no ma'am nobody's okay 01:55:42.100 --> 01:55:51.420 thank you okay seeing no speakers I will close the public hearing and open to the floor discussion 01:55:51.420 --> 01:55:59.100 or a motion Commissioner Smith make a motion to approve Commissioner Villarreal second 01:55:59.100 --> 01:56:08.580 okay we've got a first and a second to approve z21 13 any discussion okay seeing none let's 01:56:08.580 --> 01:56:20.140 call for a vote on the board please motion carries seven zero that will move us to public 01:56:20.140 --> 01:56:28.820 hearing item 5c pd 21 0002 c I will call Julie Wyatt for presentation and open the public 01:56:28.820 --> 01:56:45.260 hearing good evening I'm Julie Wyatt let me pull my presentation let's see if I can get 01:56:45.260 --> 01:56:52.020 it to work yeah I did okay good evening I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the city of 01:56:52.020 --> 01:57:01.540 Denton excuse me and I'm presenting pd 21 0002 c Christopher Todd communities the request 01:57:01.540 --> 01:57:07.220 before you is to rezone the subject property from mixed use regional district to plan development 01:57:07.220 --> 01:57:12.300 district the purpose of the rezoning is to facilitate the development of a horizontal 01:57:12.300 --> 01:57:19.460 multifamily living use the subject site is located at kind of that intersection of loop 01:57:19.460 --> 01:57:26.540 288 highway 77 and north bonnie bray it is outlined here in yellow it's sort of situated 01:57:26.540 --> 01:57:34.740 on the northern side of town just to orient you to the existing zoning that existing zoning 01:57:34.740 --> 01:57:42.020 mr district it does permit multifamily uses with you specific standards so really that 01:57:42.020 --> 01:57:47.580 that sort of multifamily use as it as it functions is already permitted in the district what 01:57:47.580 --> 01:57:52.620 we're really talking about today is really that design and kind of how it's laid out 01:57:52.620 --> 01:58:01.060 the subject the proposed horizontal multifamily use is is kind of newer to denton I think 01:58:01.060 --> 01:58:08.020 you've maybe seen one of them and it really kind of it although it functions like a multifamily 01:58:08.020 --> 01:58:13.060 it really doesn't meet our definition of how we define multifamily in the denton development 01:58:13.060 --> 01:58:20.420 code and so so that's why they are moving forward with this PD sort of define this use 01:58:20.420 --> 01:58:25.700 as they're proposing the definition it would be more than three dwelling units on a lot 01:58:25.700 --> 01:58:31.100 with a maximum height of two stories not to exceed thirty feet and then no more than two 01:58:31.100 --> 01:58:36.940 dwelling units could be contained in one building as I mentioned this is really similar to traditional 01:58:36.940 --> 01:58:41.620 multifamily but it just doesn't meet that that definition that the denton development 01:58:41.620 --> 01:58:48.660 code has for multifamily um we'll just take a look at what their site plan shows remember 01:58:48.660 --> 01:58:52.540 with a PD you've got the development standards and then you have that development map so 01:58:52.540 --> 01:58:58.580 we have that site plan a tie to that PD as as proposed it would contain three hundred 01:58:58.580 --> 01:59:04.220 and sixteen single family or duplex units as you can see on the site plan on your screen 01:59:04.220 --> 01:59:09.140 it's really organized around sort of a grid pattern that that follows also the boundaries 01:59:09.140 --> 01:59:16.700 of the property um the subject site connects to highway 77 in three places um first in 01:59:16.700 --> 01:59:22.420 in the middle section there is a full access point for for future residents um both in 01:59:22.420 --> 01:59:28.700 and out of the site um the the south entrance is would just be an exit only um and then 01:59:28.700 --> 01:59:32.260 the north entrance would really just be for emergency vehicles and that really is just 01:59:32.260 --> 01:59:38.020 to make sure that they've got that adequate emergency access um that drive aisle loops 01:59:38.020 --> 01:59:44.980 around the property um connecting um with north south um um spines um and that parking 01:59:44.980 --> 01:59:50.820 is along that drive aisle so really does disperse that parking through the through the site um 01:59:50.820 --> 01:59:55.940 you can see each of the uh the units how they're organized they really are intended to be organized 01:59:55.940 --> 02:00:01.580 around common open spaces and you can see that in those areas that have that star those 02:00:01.580 --> 02:00:08.460 are actually plaza areas that are kind of um um put throughout the pro the project to 02:00:08.460 --> 02:00:14.580 allow that common gathering space in that social space um they also have are proposing 02:00:14.580 --> 02:00:20.660 a a um an amenity for uh the community which would include a pool and a barbecue area also 02:00:20.660 --> 02:00:27.340 a dog park at the southern end and there are also linear um connections for pedestrians 02:00:27.340 --> 02:00:32.620 uh throughout the site uh the main one would be this main spine shown here in this on this 02:00:32.620 --> 02:00:38.140 blue area arrow it is 30 feet wide and it would include tree plantings and and pedestrian 02:00:38.140 --> 02:00:43.660 walkways um and that really does connect a pedestrian gate on the west side to that community 02:00:43.660 --> 02:00:48.180 center and throughout the the development um and those drive aisles they're also proposing 02:00:48.180 --> 02:00:54.420 patterned and stained concrete to alert drivers that at the um potential presence of pedestrians 02:00:54.420 --> 02:00:59.480 um i mentioned the pedestrian gate on the west side they're also proposing a pedestrian 02:00:59.480 --> 02:01:05.860 gate um near highway 77 and that would allow residents to connect to that sidewalk um and 02:01:05.860 --> 02:01:11.960 then on to the greater uh pedestrian facility um they are also oriented one thing that i 02:01:11.960 --> 02:01:16.300 i failed to mention in the work session i want to talk about is the southern edge of 02:01:16.300 --> 02:01:22.780 the site uh as i mentioned this is sort of um developed with with single family and duplex 02:01:22.780 --> 02:01:28.060 uh dwellings each dwelling unit would have its own private space so its own private backyard 02:01:28.060 --> 02:01:33.100 with a tree uh and and it's it's oriented in a way on the southern side so that the 02:01:33.100 --> 02:01:38.340 backyards of these uh proposed units would back up to a developing residential use and 02:01:38.340 --> 02:01:43.500 we'll talk about this later in the uh presentation but there's uh they're proposing a six foot 02:01:43.500 --> 02:01:48.980 masonry fence along that back along that southern property boundary um with those units with 02:01:48.980 --> 02:01:54.020 the backyards uh backing up uh to the adjacent site so it really does um sort of function 02:01:54.020 --> 02:02:02.020 like kind of a traditional neighborhood although a compact neighborhood uh here's kind of zooms 02:02:02.020 --> 02:02:08.700 in and what one of those little pods um looks like uh this is this is um just a small section 02:02:08.700 --> 02:02:15.500 of the proposal and you can see the units um the two bedroom units uh the the duplexes 02:02:15.500 --> 02:02:22.020 just have one bedroom units so it would be um two one bedroom units within that duplex 02:02:22.020 --> 02:02:27.100 uh it shows the backyards and they are they are proposed to be fenced with small patios 02:02:27.100 --> 02:02:32.300 um and trees in those backyards and then foundation planting so they really do function like you 02:02:32.300 --> 02:02:37.300 would go into a single family home with that lead walk connecting to the the pedestrian 02:02:37.300 --> 02:02:43.220 um sidewalks the criteria for approval for a pd is in sub chapter two of the debt and 02:02:43.220 --> 02:02:48.140 development code we've got the general criteria for approval by staffs analysis the project 02:02:48.140 --> 02:02:53.500 does meet the general criteria criteria for approval and then we have the specific criteria 02:02:53.500 --> 02:02:57.020 for approval for pd's and we're going to go over this a little bit more in detail as we 02:02:57.020 --> 02:03:02.060 talk through the project so the first thing we always talk about is the denton plan 2030 02:03:02.060 --> 02:03:06.340 it's our comprehensive plan um the subject property has a future land use designation 02:03:06.340 --> 02:03:10.860 of business innovation and that map on your screen shows you how this this site really 02:03:10.860 --> 02:03:16.860 fits into the larger um vision for this area um in denton um just to describe business 02:03:16.860 --> 02:03:22.580 innovation it is one of our mixed use future land use designations it's generally intended 02:03:22.580 --> 02:03:28.980 for um employment and office uses maybe larger scale um employment and office uses but there 02:03:28.980 --> 02:03:35.900 is room within that future land use designation for um for supporting uses like retail and 02:03:35.900 --> 02:03:42.660 residential um so that you do get that mix of uses um within it um and in the development 02:03:42.660 --> 02:03:48.340 criteria it does discuss that them uh that we should maintain the character of an area 02:03:48.340 --> 02:03:54.980 by ensuring any new development would be sensitive this to the surrounding built uh built environment 02:03:54.980 --> 02:04:01.380 in context and scale so we'll um and you can see by that map we've got the subject property 02:04:01.380 --> 02:04:07.260 it is in that business innovation it is adjacent to other future land use designations um low 02:04:07.260 --> 02:04:12.940 residential is to the south we've got community mixed use um just across bonnie bray just 02:04:12.940 --> 02:04:17.740 to the east of the subject property there's also governmental future land use designation 02:04:17.740 --> 02:04:23.500 so there's a lot going on in this one little area and now we'll talk about how we analyze 02:04:23.500 --> 02:04:28.620 that future land use designation so um we looked at that and and how it all fits together 02:04:28.620 --> 02:04:34.180 in that map and then we also looked at the surrounding um built environment um and this 02:04:34.180 --> 02:04:41.140 site is um is um near uh some developing uh residential areas and also some institutional 02:04:41.140 --> 02:04:46.900 areas and you can see that by the map so um the subject site is outlined in yellow uh 02:04:46.900 --> 02:04:52.540 we've got a a new single family neighborhood that's under development right now uh you 02:04:52.540 --> 02:04:56.820 might remember those plots that you've seen come before you recently uh the the new dentin 02:04:56.820 --> 02:05:01.540 high school is currently under construction south of there we've got some uh moderate 02:05:01.540 --> 02:05:06.540 density residential to the um to the east of the subject property that includes things 02:05:06.540 --> 02:05:11.980 like town homes as well as some multi-family and then we have a um a university center 02:05:11.980 --> 02:05:16.540 uh to the northeast of the site so there's there's a lot of institutional and residential 02:05:16.540 --> 02:05:23.700 uses in this um in this this specific area and um and so in looking at that in the context 02:05:23.700 --> 02:05:28.460 and the character of that area we um it is staff's analysis that the supporting residential 02:05:28.460 --> 02:05:33.020 uses may be more appropriate in this situation and maybe not not so much the employment but 02:05:33.020 --> 02:05:38.900 those supporting uses um this proposal would um would kind of extend that existing residential 02:05:38.900 --> 02:05:43.240 pattern that's developing to the south but at a little bit higher density to allow that 02:05:43.240 --> 02:05:50.140 transition as you move north toward loop 288 um and this and um as a as a supporting use 02:05:50.140 --> 02:05:55.260 within the business innovation it would provide that housing to support those future employment 02:05:55.260 --> 02:06:00.860 uses we anticipate will be developing to the north and to the west of the subject site 02:06:00.860 --> 02:06:06.180 um and then also not only the future land use map but we also look at other goals and 02:06:06.180 --> 02:06:11.660 elements within dentin plan 2030 and one goal within element seven is to develop uh you 02:06:11.660 --> 02:06:16.460 know a diverse housing stock with lots of choices in terms of costs and and housing 02:06:16.460 --> 02:06:21.940 types and and as i mentioned this is a newer residential form it is that multi-family that 02:06:21.940 --> 02:06:27.260 kind of with that single family and duplex flavor with those with those private backyards 02:06:27.260 --> 02:06:33.260 and and kind of that single story um aspect and so this does contribute to our housing 02:06:33.260 --> 02:06:40.700 choice and it just allows that additional array of options for our residents uh criterion 02:06:40.700 --> 02:06:45.180 two complies with the dentin development code except for those areas it does that it is 02:06:45.180 --> 02:06:50.260 um it is mentioned in the development standards in your backup it does it does comply with 02:06:50.260 --> 02:06:53.740 the dentin development code and will have to comply with the dentin development code 02:06:53.740 --> 02:06:59.740 as um if it's approved and if it moves forward um the intent of this pd really is to establish 02:06:59.740 --> 02:07:06.020 that horizontal multi-family living use so that really kind of newer use um just to go 02:07:06.020 --> 02:07:12.420 over this briefly they are as i mentioned proposing those 316 units um landscaping just 02:07:12.420 --> 02:07:18.420 to briefly mention um a multi-family development that that comes in the city of dentin we have 02:07:18.420 --> 02:07:25.980 within our landscape code uh um certain provisions and one of those is is you have to seek you 02:07:25.980 --> 02:07:30.700 you have to provide enough elements within your development to equal 30 points out of 02:07:30.700 --> 02:07:37.980 a list um it can it can range from things like um like uh uh landscape islands within 02:07:37.980 --> 02:07:43.680 parking lots or right of way screening um um other kind of sustainability measures so 02:07:43.680 --> 02:07:49.340 we have a menu of items with which developers may choose um as part of their development 02:07:49.340 --> 02:07:53.060 they've actually expanded that list and as part of that would be those private backyards 02:07:53.060 --> 02:07:58.340 so they do meet those those points within that landscape system but just added to that 02:07:58.340 --> 02:08:04.740 list in order to sort of conform to this new uh development type um i did talk about the 02:08:04.740 --> 02:08:09.420 buffer on the south side of the property um one other um item that they are requesting 02:08:09.420 --> 02:08:14.300 a deviation is some um onsite pedestrian pathways as i mentioned you know they've got a lot 02:08:14.300 --> 02:08:21.140 of those linear pathways within the the development some of those are um are less than the typical 02:08:21.140 --> 02:08:25.940 five feet they're four feet but those are just in those areas where um those uh linear 02:08:25.940 --> 02:08:31.740 open spaces are a little narrower and then finally um they have included in their parking 02:08:31.740 --> 02:08:37.260 totals those garage spaces they are proposing 88 garage spaces as well as covered parking 02:08:37.260 --> 02:08:43.180 in their in their proposal a criterion three provides greater building design amenities 02:08:43.180 --> 02:08:47.540 and connectivity so as i mentioned this is proposed to be designed as sort of a compact 02:08:47.540 --> 02:08:52.420 residential neighborhood and an alternative to to a kind of what we typically see that 02:08:52.420 --> 02:08:58.940 garden style apartment um each proposal each unit would have that ground floor uh private 02:08:58.940 --> 02:09:04.980 open space they are proposing all single story units um no two story units so they would 02:09:04.980 --> 02:09:11.620 all just be that one story um they have the two building types and that's the single family 02:09:11.620 --> 02:09:17.540 and then the duplex and then they have three elevations um associated with each type to 02:09:17.540 --> 02:09:23.740 provide variety within the development and um each uh each unit does have that covered 02:09:23.740 --> 02:09:28.940 front entry as well as connects to that um pedestrian or the um the pedestrian network 02:09:28.940 --> 02:09:35.120 within the the site uh want to talk about um the site amenities i i know i talked about 02:09:35.120 --> 02:09:40.860 these before just um uh just briefly want to mention a couple of other things uh there 02:09:40.860 --> 02:09:47.580 isn't a a 75 foot uh electric easement along loop 288 as well as an additional easement 02:09:47.580 --> 02:09:54.100 for um for a future water line along loop 288 um and that really does um help to situate 02:09:54.100 --> 02:10:00.980 the site um the site so that it sort of sets these residential units back from loop 288 02:10:00.980 --> 02:10:06.260 provides that sort of passive natural space really sets them back from that highway and 02:10:06.260 --> 02:10:12.900 gives that that that nice buffer um as i mentioned the dog park and the eight courtyard the eight 02:10:12.900 --> 02:10:19.340 courtyards the pedestrian pathways um uh the vehicular maneuvering i kind of talked about 02:10:19.340 --> 02:10:24.540 that grid pattern that the site sets up it does sort of create those legible seat streets 02:10:24.540 --> 02:10:32.700 within the development so that um so that you can kind of find your way through it um 02:10:32.700 --> 02:10:39.140 and community pool and barbecue area um and then connectivity we talked about this earlier 02:10:39.140 --> 02:10:46.580 as well um given the limited connectivity um in um for the subject property loop 288 02:10:46.580 --> 02:10:52.340 um doesn't there's not a connection a vehicular connection that's permitted to loop 288 in 02:10:52.340 --> 02:10:59.300 this area bonnie bray is going to be realigned um kind of away from the site and so so the 02:10:59.300 --> 02:11:06.180 the vehicular connectivity is just to highway 77 uh in order to provide additional connectivity 02:11:06.180 --> 02:11:10.380 for future residents they have provided the pedestrian gate on the west side as well as 02:11:10.380 --> 02:11:16.700 the east side to connect to to nearby facilities and and properties for future development and 02:11:16.700 --> 02:11:24.540 um and access criterion four um compatible buildings uses and consistent with the character 02:11:24.540 --> 02:11:31.540 of the area as we looked at with the um with the aerials this area hasn't you know there's 02:11:31.540 --> 02:11:36.420 a lot of undeveloped property particularly to the north and to the west of the subject 02:11:36.420 --> 02:11:43.060 property um the zoning on a lot of that that property is is either uh either allows for 02:11:43.060 --> 02:11:47.460 commercial development or maybe some sort of employment development so we anticipate 02:11:47.460 --> 02:11:51.700 that those types of uses are going to be coming in to the north and possibly to the west of 02:11:51.700 --> 02:11:56.580 the subject site uh as i mentioned south of the subject property we do have that residential 02:11:56.580 --> 02:12:03.380 character and this is where we're really comparing that uh king's ridge uh plat which you're 02:12:03.380 --> 02:12:08.020 probably familiar with with the subject site to see how those sort of marry together at 02:12:08.020 --> 02:12:13.140 that edge so king's ridge is just south of the subject property and it abuts the subject 02:12:13.140 --> 02:12:19.460 property on the north on the north property boundary the subject property um connects 02:12:19.460 --> 02:12:25.500 to it in this location and it has oriented those those units so that it's it's uh it 02:12:25.500 --> 02:12:31.820 mirrors what you typically find in in a residential neighborhood with uh oriented toward the the 02:12:31.820 --> 02:12:36.860 street or the open space area to the north with the with the private backyards adjacent 02:12:36.860 --> 02:12:44.340 to the the um the the property abutting it. Provision of public facilities to support 02:12:44.340 --> 02:12:50.020 the development uh we spoke with uh Denton ISD and they uh all of the schools within 02:12:50.020 --> 02:12:55.660 the um attendance boundary do have the capacity to accommodate any student generation from 02:12:55.660 --> 02:13:00.360 this development and there is a fire station within the uh eight minute or less response 02:13:00.360 --> 02:13:07.500 boundary it's at Windsor and Bonnie Bray. Uh water and wastewater they have uh begun 02:13:07.500 --> 02:13:12.340 working with engineering regarding utility connections the development to the south is 02:13:12.340 --> 02:13:16.980 actually bringing water and wastewater uh north to the the boundary of this project 02:13:16.980 --> 02:13:20.620 and if this is approved and it moves forward with development they'll have to extend that 02:13:20.620 --> 02:13:27.940 water um to their side and then and then throughout it. I want to take just a moment to talk about 02:13:27.940 --> 02:13:32.540 transportation in this area there are quite a few arterials and then there's a highway 02:13:32.540 --> 02:13:39.460 within this area first we have highway 77 it's uh along the the uh northeast property 02:13:39.460 --> 02:13:44.260 boundary it is a primary arterial and it is constructed as a four lane divided roadway 02:13:44.260 --> 02:13:51.020 it is a text dot road north loop 288 is north of the subject property and it is also a text 02:13:51.020 --> 02:13:57.060 dot road and that is a highway and then finally Bonnie Bray street and that is also a primary 02:13:57.060 --> 02:14:03.140 arterial uh it is not designed arterial standards yet it is under it will be going under construction 02:14:03.140 --> 02:14:09.420 shortly and we'll we'll talk about that um in in a subsequent slide. Uh so let's talk 02:14:09.420 --> 02:14:17.140 about that Bonnie Bray project. This is this is the the schematic of of of the future roadway 02:14:17.140 --> 02:14:23.260 that is adjacent to the subject property so uh north is this direction and the subject 02:14:23.260 --> 02:14:31.180 site is is uh in this location right here. As I mentioned um it will require the um 02:14:31.180 --> 02:14:36.540 the uh reconstruction of Bonnie Bray will uh change it from from what it is today to 02:14:36.540 --> 02:14:43.300 a uh four lane divided road uh two lanes going north and two lanes going south. It will connect 02:14:43.300 --> 02:14:49.420 to highway 77 south of the subject property so uh Bonnie Bray will no longer be adjacent 02:14:49.420 --> 02:14:53.380 to the subject property but will track a little bit to the south of it and that will be a 02:14:53.380 --> 02:14:58.020 signalized intersection there so as part of the Bonnie Bray project there will be a traffic 02:14:58.020 --> 02:15:04.060 signal at Bonnie Bray and highway 77. There are also pedestrian improvements associated 02:15:04.060 --> 02:15:10.340 with this project. A six foot sidewalk is uh proposed uh near the subject property on 02:15:10.340 --> 02:15:15.380 the west side of Bonnie Bray and then a ten foot shared use path will be on the east side 02:15:15.380 --> 02:15:24.140 so that will be able to accommodate bicycles as well as pedestrians. The applicant submitted 02:15:24.140 --> 02:15:29.420 a traffic impact analysis for the project and it has been reviewed and approved by engineering. 02:15:29.420 --> 02:15:36.700 It is anticipated to uh to uh generate about 2200 daily trips. That's 144 morning peak 02:15:36.700 --> 02:15:43.420 and then 176 evening peak. There is adequate capacity to serve this development um within 02:15:43.420 --> 02:15:50.260 the studied intersections except for that intersection at Bonnie Bray and highway 77 02:15:50.260 --> 02:15:55.940 and it is anticipated that um with build out conditions and the background traffic uh regardless 02:15:55.940 --> 02:16:01.020 of this development that intersection will not function at at an adequate level of level 02:16:01.020 --> 02:16:06.140 of service uh within the next few years. So that's why uh with that capital project they 02:16:06.140 --> 02:16:12.060 are adding that signal. The TIA um concluded that that signal will smooth out that intersection 02:16:12.060 --> 02:16:17.500 and and our engineering folks have reviewed it and and um and agreed with that assessment. 02:16:17.500 --> 02:16:26.100 Uh highway 77 on highway 77 they are all are also proposing to modify this uh median um 02:16:26.100 --> 02:16:32.220 adjacent to the main entrance of the subject property to allow that protected left turn 02:16:32.220 --> 02:16:37.340 so that those residents who are are aiming to turn left into the subject property can 02:16:37.340 --> 02:16:43.540 go ahead and get out of the um the uh travel lanes and be able to turn into the subject 02:16:43.540 --> 02:16:51.220 property. Uh it while it is near North Lakes Park it's one of our regional parks it um 02:16:51.220 --> 02:16:56.340 it is just about a mile from that park so it really is not within our 10 minute walk 02:16:56.340 --> 02:17:03.020 to a park boundary. Uh you can see that um I've kind of shown you what that future walk 02:17:03.020 --> 02:17:11.900 or biking um uh pathway will be to the North Lakes Park facility. But the applicant is 02:17:11.900 --> 02:17:19.860 proposing those on-site recreational amenities uh both private and public. Notification was 02:17:19.860 --> 02:17:26.180 sent out uh we have not received any uh responses and staff recommends approval as it complies 02:17:26.180 --> 02:17:32.060 with the criteria for approval. Um the applicant is here to answer questions and I'll be happy 02:17:32.060 --> 02:17:39.100 to answer any questions as well. Thank you Julie. Uh Commissioner Smith. Thank you Chair. 02:17:39.100 --> 02:17:47.260 Um on regular multifamily the owner maintains the roads. Horizontal multifamily does it 02:17:47.260 --> 02:17:52.260 carry the same the same thing? It does. It's not it's not it's not a city street like you 02:17:52.260 --> 02:17:57.640 would with like a what you would normally see in a duplex or a you know a bunch of little 02:17:57.640 --> 02:18:01.100 small homes something like that. It's still be maintained by the property owner just like 02:18:01.100 --> 02:18:05.900 normal multifamily would be. You're absolutely correct. This will be a um a gated community 02:18:05.900 --> 02:18:11.100 and so those would all be while they sort of function as streets within the development 02:18:11.100 --> 02:18:15.740 they are private drive aisles so they would be maintained by the by the property owner. 02:18:15.740 --> 02:18:19.820 Gotcha. Now I don't remember seeing it in the presentation but did you put in there 02:18:19.820 --> 02:18:27.380 in some of the criteria aligning why this zoning change made sense for the Flume Business 02:18:27.380 --> 02:18:35.740 Innovation? Uh given the the surrounding residential especially the residential to the south um 02:18:35.740 --> 02:18:41.140 it's it's really our analysis that um those secondary uses that are embedded within business 02:18:41.140 --> 02:18:46.420 innovation that those make more sense in this location that we don't really anticipate a 02:18:46.420 --> 02:18:55.100 more employment type use um or uh or in in this given that adjacency for the residential 02:18:55.100 --> 02:18:59.980 to the south. So this makes sense in this location and I believe there's room within 02:18:59.980 --> 02:19:09.940 the future land use map to accommodate that. Okay. Commissioner Pruitt. Thank you chair. 02:19:09.940 --> 02:19:15.380 Uh I sorry this just occurred to me and I don't see capital projects or traffic around 02:19:15.380 --> 02:19:22.700 but um I recall at the 2019 bond discussions there was talk of extending Bonnie Bray up 02:19:22.700 --> 02:19:29.340 to meet 288 to have some sort of interchange up there. Um do you have any information about 02:19:29.340 --> 02:19:35.860 that and how that might affect the the circulation at that intersection of 77 and Bonnie Bray? 02:19:35.860 --> 02:19:40.300 Let me let me share my screen and make sure I'm I'm sure I think we can probably find 02:19:40.300 --> 02:20:03.820 a map that find it. Um are you talking about this this leg right here? Yeah I think it 02:20:03.820 --> 02:20:09.380 was termed as phase seven perhaps of the Bonnie Bray project something like that yeah. It's 02:20:09.380 --> 02:20:15.620 my understanding and Haley may may know more than me that right now that that um section 02:20:15.620 --> 02:20:21.740 is not a part of Bonnie Bray and I don't know of the timing for that. I do remember I do 02:20:21.740 --> 02:20:26.860 remember those discussions but I don't think we're there yet and Haley I don't know if 02:20:26.860 --> 02:20:37.180 you know anything further. There we go. Technical difficulties. Uh no that is my understanding 02:20:37.180 --> 02:20:40.540 as well that the current bond package just goes through phase five which I believe gets 02:20:40.540 --> 02:20:45.020 us up to this point. I don't believe there's plans uh for the the northern leg of that 02:20:45.020 --> 02:20:55.380 okay that have been accommodated for. Thank you. Julie is there any walkability to the 02:20:55.380 --> 02:21:05.060 high school um that would be in the near future in this area? I mean I guess eventually down 02:21:05.060 --> 02:21:10.500 Bonnie Bray if that's what we would want them to do but is there any on the west side? Um 02:21:10.500 --> 02:21:18.120 on the so on on this area right here. Yeah I mean is there any way to get to the high 02:21:18.120 --> 02:21:25.420 school from um I would think I think we probably will. Engineering has been talking with city 02:21:25.420 --> 02:21:31.260 council as well as well as the neighborhood just to the west of of the high school and 02:21:31.260 --> 02:21:36.540 I don't know what the conclusion was of those discussions but I think it's probably information 02:21:36.540 --> 02:21:40.860 we can bring back to y'all because I know there's been a lot of discussion. There there 02:21:40.860 --> 02:21:46.260 are um there are sidewalks planned for Bronco Way so Bronco Way will have sidewalks as well 02:21:46.260 --> 02:21:53.040 as Bonnie Bray. Um I believe there there may be something happening in this this area but 02:21:53.040 --> 02:21:58.900 I just I couldn't say for sure. It just seems with what we what we have um well proposed 02:21:58.900 --> 02:22:06.300 here and then the the the other single family development happening that we need to provide 02:22:06.300 --> 02:22:10.820 a safe way for these kids to walk to school. They're right there but you know walking 02:22:10.820 --> 02:22:18.760 down Bonnie Bray is not the way to go. Um so okay um I would love future discussion 02:22:18.760 --> 02:22:24.620 on this. Yes ma'am. Um okay thank you. I do not see any other questions. Um this is a 02:22:24.620 --> 02:22:29.060 public hearing. I do have a couple of cards here and I believe they are applicant cards 02:22:29.060 --> 02:22:43.060 to speak so I will call up um Matt Lucas. Hi there. If you will state your name and 02:22:43.060 --> 02:22:48.860 address your time will begin. Thank you. Good evening commissioners. Uh Matt Lucas um 13 02:22:48.860 --> 02:22:57.580 4455 Noelle Road in Dallas. Um I'm the lead consultant. Um I work for Kimley Horn. Um 02:22:57.580 --> 02:23:03.740 and uh this is my baby. Um we've been working on this project since November. Um actually 02:23:03.740 --> 02:23:10.700 brought it forward um as a zoning zoning compliance plan and um received some feedback after we 02:23:10.700 --> 02:23:15.380 prepared that that it needed to go through the PD to fit the use um because it didn't 02:23:15.380 --> 02:23:20.780 fit straight in the multi penalty so um it's been a minute been some frustrating moments 02:23:20.780 --> 02:23:25.460 at times you know I mean as you work through a process but uh Julie's been great and um 02:23:25.460 --> 02:23:31.300 I really think that we've got a um a better quality product in product here um was working 02:23:31.300 --> 02:23:37.140 with staff so really appreciate that. Um and so I'll just um I'm not going to belabor too 02:23:37.140 --> 02:23:41.020 many points. Julie did a great job kind of being very thorough. Um so I'm just going 02:23:41.020 --> 02:23:44.860 to add a little color. Um we've got some renderings in here that I want to just highlight that 02:23:44.860 --> 02:23:49.580 I think will kind of highlight and give you an idea of what the community will feel like. 02:23:49.580 --> 02:23:55.500 So um first um just uh thank you for your time this evening and want to uh talk a little 02:23:55.500 --> 02:23:59.660 bit about um you keep hearing Christopher Todd communities um and then you'll see Taylor 02:23:59.660 --> 02:24:06.260 Morrison uh throughout the the project and so Christopher Todd communities uh is a luxury 02:24:06.260 --> 02:24:11.860 uh single store rental community developer. They're based out of Arizona. They've got 02:24:11.860 --> 02:24:15.300 eight communities on the ground with four more upcoming. So they really know what they're 02:24:15.300 --> 02:24:21.740 doing in this space and they have teamed up with Taylor Morrison who is a uh national 02:24:21.740 --> 02:24:26.100 home builder um who builds quality product and to the question earlier about whether 02:24:26.100 --> 02:24:30.540 this can be manufactured homes uh it will not be manufactured homes. It will be built 02:24:30.540 --> 02:24:33.940 to the quality and the standard that Taylor Morrison builds in their single family uh 02:24:33.940 --> 02:24:42.020 projects. Um and so what we're really talking about is uh this single store rental and uh 02:24:42.020 --> 02:24:47.860 we are seeking uh renters by choice which really means um to kind of put it plainly 02:24:47.860 --> 02:24:53.240 this is a product that's a cross between a multifamily product and a single family product. 02:24:53.240 --> 02:24:58.860 So on the single family side you get your private backyards um you don't have neighbors 02:24:58.860 --> 02:25:05.100 that are um below you and above you and unless you're living in a single family duplex building 02:25:05.100 --> 02:25:10.060 which has two units to the building you don't have anybody beside you. Um so each unit has 02:25:10.060 --> 02:25:15.580 a 10 foot deep backyard by the width of the unit um and where we're able we also have 02:25:15.580 --> 02:25:21.700 some oversight yards which is actually accounts for about 20% of the units um or the homes 02:25:21.700 --> 02:25:28.980 within the development. So um you know what makes Christopher Todd communities um different 02:25:28.980 --> 02:25:35.260 is is the amenities that come with the name. So it's stuff like the private backyard uh 02:25:35.260 --> 02:25:41.340 the smart home technology that's in every unit the pet friendly environment um at your 02:25:41.340 --> 02:25:47.420 interface within the unit uh you have the ability to uh see your ring doorbell to control 02:25:47.420 --> 02:25:53.580 your environment to when you have a visitor or package arrive uh you have access to to 02:25:53.580 --> 02:26:02.180 to the gate uh with video um and you also have access to 24/7 uh maintenance. In addition 02:26:02.180 --> 02:26:09.060 to that you have your uh resort style amenities that you would have at most class a multifamily 02:26:09.060 --> 02:26:14.620 projects so you have this amenity uh this great pool um this is actually a picture of 02:26:14.620 --> 02:26:20.060 a pool in Phoenix ours um you'll see in a later rendering um but you get the community 02:26:20.060 --> 02:26:26.780 and the social spaces the amenities including the dog park the pool the barbecue area the 02:26:26.780 --> 02:26:33.220 fitness center um and you know really spacious fitness center with a yoga studio um we have 02:26:33.220 --> 02:26:39.140 as Julie uh highlighted we have a lot of social and get community gathering spaces throughout 02:26:39.140 --> 02:26:45.060 the development um that we'll talk talk about here this is just a picture one of our oversized 02:26:45.060 --> 02:26:50.020 backyards don't pay too much attention to the building elevation this is uh a phoenix 02:26:50.020 --> 02:26:55.980 project um our building elevations as you've seen and you'll see here shortly um right 02:26:55.980 --> 02:27:01.380 now are a lot um nicer than maybe what they've seen in the past in the phoenix project so 02:27:01.380 --> 02:27:08.380 um uh we have masonry um throughout um that does include a cementious hardy board which 02:27:08.380 --> 02:27:14.140 we think is a really attractive uh and and long-term product um but we do have three 02:27:14.140 --> 02:27:20.260 distinct elevations for the single family um or the duplex and three for the um the 02:27:20.260 --> 02:27:25.620 single family two bedroom units this is a rendering uh 3d rendering of the unit itself 02:27:25.620 --> 02:27:32.820 so you see uh just spacious open concept you have stainless steel appliances you have an 02:27:32.820 --> 02:27:39.860 island uh you have a you know double vanity walk-in closet everything that anybody wants 02:27:39.860 --> 02:27:45.700 uh in a single family home um you have and of course the direct connection to your backyard 02:27:45.700 --> 02:27:50.820 with a lot of natural light coming in the back very similar elevations on the two bedrooms 02:27:50.820 --> 02:27:58.460 just three distinct elevations uh three distinct looks um and again a similar layout for the 02:27:58.460 --> 02:28:04.380 two bedroom unit that has two full baths and it integrates the uh second bedroom at the 02:28:04.380 --> 02:28:11.220 front of the unit here um then the fun part you know how how do we take the chris for 02:28:11.220 --> 02:28:17.820 talk community's uh framework um their standards that they've set and apply it to a community 02:28:17.820 --> 02:28:25.020 and um you know so we're 316 units 100 are the one bedroom homes and 206 the two bedroom 02:28:25.020 --> 02:28:34.900 homes um and this is what you're getting um this is a bird's eye view although i was corrected 02:28:34.900 --> 02:28:39.820 by millennial this is the drone's eye view um some of the terminology has changed um 02:28:39.820 --> 02:28:47.740 so really enhanced entry centerpiece is the amenity complex with the pool um which to 02:28:47.740 --> 02:28:54.540 highlight that you know we've got um drive in you've got a great view through the pool 02:28:54.540 --> 02:29:00.620 um really gives you that just resort feel as you drive in leasing center on the right 02:29:00.620 --> 02:29:05.300 on the left is your fitness center um and then you've got your barbecue area and your 02:29:05.300 --> 02:29:12.860 club space that's um back behind the leasing center on the right um julie highlighted connectivity 02:29:12.860 --> 02:29:17.180 so i won't continue to beat the dead horse but you know very similar maps if you compared 02:29:17.180 --> 02:29:22.740 ours to hers is highlighting uh many of the the orange the vehicular connectivity which 02:29:22.740 --> 02:29:30.020 also has um an enhanced kind of streetscape feel and so to give you an idea of what that 02:29:30.020 --> 02:29:35.300 feels like um this is the main boulevard that runs north south this is standing basically 02:29:35.300 --> 02:29:41.220 at the dog park on the south side looking north um streets lining the trees or lining 02:29:41.220 --> 02:29:46.520 the streets sidewalks on both sides to really enhance the north south connectivity and you 02:29:46.520 --> 02:29:52.220 also have that along the drives on the east west in addition to that the blue areas um 02:29:52.220 --> 02:29:58.820 just to highlight the pedestrian only connectivity we've got three what i'll call kind of spines 02:29:58.820 --> 02:30:05.300 running east west the two orange uh areas and then the purple that runs down the middle 02:30:05.300 --> 02:30:12.660 those vary from 15 to 30 feet wide um and um the experience is is something like this 02:30:12.660 --> 02:30:20.020 you know we have seating areas that are going to be uh around i guess spaced in um uh regularly 02:30:20.020 --> 02:30:27.000 throughout the area um two sidewalks down this 30 foot uh linear open space and and 02:30:27.000 --> 02:30:32.460 really gives a great feel um for those living in the community and be able to um you know 02:30:32.460 --> 02:30:38.340 take your dog for a walk go for a jog um whatever you want to do um and gather with the community 02:30:38.340 --> 02:30:45.420 so um to highlight a little bit more those gathering spaces each of the orange and the 02:30:45.420 --> 02:30:50.180 purple stars they're a little bit um hard to see because they're you know kind of through 02:30:50.180 --> 02:30:56.100 the middle plus the yellow stars we have um uh if you include the dog parks i think we 02:30:56.100 --> 02:31:04.180 have 31 uh we'll call community gathering spaces which um you know is roughly one space 02:31:04.180 --> 02:31:11.140 per 10 10 homes um which which is really impressive and i think sets a really high bar for this 02:31:11.140 --> 02:31:17.180 type product and sets a even you know i think it holds you know holds a lot of other multifamily 02:31:17.180 --> 02:31:23.580 projects um you know i think we could beat them hand in hand for the amount of uh community 02:31:23.580 --> 02:31:29.220 gathering space and backyards that we provide in our community 02:31:29.220 --> 02:31:34.940 this is what one of those uh gathering spaces the yellow uh stars around the around the um 02:31:34.940 --> 02:31:41.580 uh project would look like um we've got seating areas shade trees um a larger paving area 02:31:41.580 --> 02:31:47.820 um great for you know doing yoga gathering with your neighbors so um and then we've of 02:31:47.820 --> 02:31:55.600 course got the uh 21 of units having oversized backyards um in our community as well and 02:31:55.600 --> 02:32:00.700 i know i'm short on time we do have a short video i'll kind of leave it up to y'all deal 02:32:00.700 --> 02:32:05.580 it kind of gives the feel of one of our communities in phoenix would love to hit play i don't know 02:32:05.580 --> 02:32:09.660 if sound works or not but you can at least kind of see um you know some of the open spaces 02:32:09.660 --> 02:32:12.580 in some of the minis is that something that y'all be interested in playing it's just a 02:32:12.580 --> 02:32:18.020 few minutes long go ahead and play okay all right please thank you hopefully it'll work 02:32:18.020 --> 02:32:39.540 here um well um i guess uh i guess it's not gonna not gonna cooperate cooperate with us 02:32:39.540 --> 02:32:49.320 um well apologize about that that's okay thank you for joining yeah of course um and then 02:32:49.320 --> 02:32:54.700 just uh kind of you know sum it all up here's the community kind of all in one slide so 02:32:54.700 --> 02:33:02.580 i'm happy to answer any questions uh you might have 02:33:02.580 --> 02:33:10.500 thank you man commissioner smith thank you chair um can you give me kind of a rough estimate 02:33:10.500 --> 02:33:13.420 of what you think the economics on this project are going to be i was looking at some of your 02:33:13.420 --> 02:33:18.420 properties while you're presenting out in arizona and you're looking at most of the rentals 02:33:18.420 --> 02:33:24.180 out there somewhere between 2000 to 2400 a month what are the economics you're really 02:33:24.180 --> 02:33:29.220 projecting for this or at least the applicants projecting for this i know you're the engineer 02:33:29.220 --> 02:33:34.500 so sure yeah and i asked that question earlier and did get the information so um our one 02:33:34.500 --> 02:33:42.620 bedrooms would rent for 1300 uh a month and then the two bedrooms would be uh 1710 okay 02:33:42.620 --> 02:33:48.940 so very very comparable to um i think comparing it to local rent rental rates for multifamily 02:33:48.940 --> 02:33:54.780 projects uh i think we're a little bit higher than the mark um i think there's another um 02:33:54.780 --> 02:34:00.020 kind of class a that we're very comparable to kind of in that same range um now it's 02:34:00.020 --> 02:34:05.740 kimmy horn been involved in this project that they that that christopher todd has done down 02:34:05.740 --> 02:34:15.340 in garland as well uh no um not in garland um actually christopher todd i don't have engineer 02:34:15.340 --> 02:34:20.900 on that first one um but uh but i do know it's under construction okay and sunday patel 02:34:20.900 --> 02:34:24.740 with taylor morton's here if you've got any specific questions related to that yeah okay 02:34:24.740 --> 02:34:28.580 no i don't i just wanted to know what your experience was from the engineer side of how 02:34:28.580 --> 02:34:33.820 that how that's gone on so far well and and i will say um uh if questions related what 02:34:33.820 --> 02:34:40.500 kind of experience we have um we we we do um a pretty good amount of these around dfw 02:34:40.500 --> 02:34:47.900 um and and have um by far this is my my favorite project we've worked on so far um what's that 02:34:47.900 --> 02:34:56.620 well um it really embodies um the uh really the community aspect more than a lot of other 02:34:56.620 --> 02:35:03.420 projects do um there was a um just a a lot of thought that went through um just the shape 02:35:03.420 --> 02:35:09.100 and form of the vehicular connectivity and the block structure and the pedestrian connectivity 02:35:09.100 --> 02:35:15.620 um that sometimes we don't get to really dive into uh some of that was um through the the 02:35:15.620 --> 02:35:20.860 the denting process and working with initially sean and then julie um to to really enhance 02:35:20.860 --> 02:35:25.380 the product um and i think just the amount of community gathering spaces in this in this 02:35:25.380 --> 02:35:32.220 project is going to it really makes it special got thank you commissioner anderson hey first 02:35:32.220 --> 02:35:36.220 thanks for coming out and doing the showing the presentation that kind of shows off your 02:35:36.220 --> 02:35:40.500 product i think i actually i think it's really kind of a neat little product yeah i think 02:35:40.500 --> 02:35:44.220 uh i think it's a lot better than having all this vertical stuff we got going on these 02:35:44.220 --> 02:35:50.620 days and um it gives the people a sense of not ownership but something that they can 02:35:50.620 --> 02:35:56.060 call a home instead of just an apartment but uh just a just a room to live in right yeah 02:35:56.060 --> 02:35:59.420 yeah no i think it's really good but i do have a couple quick i mean since there are 02:35:59.420 --> 02:36:03.740 only 10 yards are you going to put is it going to be tariff or is going to be real grass 02:36:03.740 --> 02:36:08.620 in the yards uh i think we're toying around with whether it's turf or grass at this point 02:36:08.620 --> 02:36:14.100 um right now we're expecting it to be grass um with um one one shade tree in the backyard 02:36:14.100 --> 02:36:18.740 okay and the fences that separate the yards are they going to be vinyl or metal fencing 02:36:18.740 --> 02:36:24.260 uh we're actually uh proposing right now the thought process is doing wood fence on on 02:36:24.260 --> 02:36:29.380 this project itself okay no but uh anyway i just hope to see this project get approved 02:36:29.380 --> 02:36:32.580 and uh look forward to seeing i think it's really a neat concept excellent well thank 02:36:32.580 --> 02:36:39.820 you thank you commissioner mr lucas i don't see any other questions thank you for joining 02:36:39.820 --> 02:36:44.980 us thank you very much appreciate you have another card uh wishing to speak jack dawson 02:36:44.980 --> 02:36:57.180 okay it does say here that you are in support of the project okay this is a public hearing 02:36:57.180 --> 02:37:03.740 i don't have any other cards in front of me but is there anyone here wishing to speak 02:37:03.740 --> 02:37:09.580 is there anyone on the phone wishing to speak no ma'am okay thank you with that i will close 02:37:09.580 --> 02:37:18.140 the public hearing and open the floor for discussion or a motion see commissioner anderson make 02:37:18.140 --> 02:37:25.380 a motion to approve commissioner villarreal i second okay we have a first and a second 02:37:25.380 --> 02:37:32.060 to approve this item is there any discussion 02:37:32.060 --> 02:37:37.140 commissioner smith thank you chair um while i'm not necessarily against this project i 02:37:37.140 --> 02:37:41.860 think that i do want to just and i'll probably vote for the project because i think it is 02:37:41.860 --> 02:37:48.020 a good one but i would like to maybe just make it known to the commission that if you 02:37:48.020 --> 02:37:55.300 look at this location and where this multifamily property let's call what it is is located 02:37:55.300 --> 02:38:02.300 we are going to be compounding on top of more residential development there with no real 02:38:02.300 --> 02:38:09.240 access to any type of retail services any type of grocery stores anything else that 02:38:09.240 --> 02:38:15.020 is not but further down bonnie braid down to razor ranch now it's not that far of a 02:38:15.020 --> 02:38:17.780 drive when you start talking about the other developments that have been approved there 02:38:17.780 --> 02:38:23.380 already and the new high school being there now a lot of those developments that are already 02:38:23.380 --> 02:38:28.620 coming in have been approved by this commission been voted on by this commissioner but when 02:38:28.620 --> 02:38:32.820 you take a look at this business innovation and you go through and you read what the flume 02:38:32.820 --> 02:38:38.500 actually says about business innovation i might and julie i love you but i might disagree 02:38:38.500 --> 02:38:46.040 with you in that i don't think i see secondary benefits that you mentioned and be and business 02:38:46.040 --> 02:38:50.980 innovation being referenced there that it's office parks flexible use spaces supporting 02:38:50.980 --> 02:38:55.460 company retail and services allowed by right accessible parks development there should 02:38:55.460 --> 02:39:02.220 be transit routes development should be near near existing residential areas not development 02:39:02.220 --> 02:39:07.620 should be residential areas and that the flume says it's business innovation this intersection 02:39:07.620 --> 02:39:13.140 of 77 and 288 is really and it's already currently zoned for is really kind of a primed 02:39:13.140 --> 02:39:19.220 area for some commercial uses and so it gives me concern i think the product is great it's 02:39:19.220 --> 02:39:22.940 nothing whatsoever on taylor morrison and if you guys haven't gone look at the website 02:39:22.940 --> 02:39:28.160 that crisper todds got out there i mean it's they they really are great great projects 02:39:28.160 --> 02:39:33.180 but we are setting a precedent by doing something like this that uh that that we could end up 02:39:33.180 --> 02:39:37.540 be tying that entire didn't high school development all that new high school coming in there around 02:39:37.540 --> 02:39:43.440 there into a tight spot of not really allowing those systems to have commercial and retail 02:39:43.440 --> 02:39:51.100 uses they may want so i just want to make that known thank you commissioner smith commissioner 02:39:51.100 --> 02:39:58.540 purit thank you chair you know i share some of the concerns as commissioner smith the 02:39:58.540 --> 02:40:02.500 when you talk about building neighborhoods right you need something there other than 02:40:02.500 --> 02:40:08.140 houses for it to be a neighborhood in this case there there is some undeveloped land 02:40:08.140 --> 02:40:15.420 to the west of here and who knows how that will progress so maybe there's a way to to 02:40:15.420 --> 02:40:23.580 integrate something like that in the future we don't know you know i think uh when we 02:40:23.580 --> 02:40:26.580 think about neighborhoods and these types of developments that we've seen a couple of 02:40:26.580 --> 02:40:38.420 so far start having a discussion about what the pros and cons are between treating it 02:40:38.420 --> 02:40:44.620 like a multifamily development where you sort of go out of your way to segment it off from 02:40:44.620 --> 02:40:50.820 surrounding properties versus trying to integrate it into those neighborhoods now in this particular 02:40:50.820 --> 02:40:55.500 case our hands are a little bit tied because the the property to the south as commissioner 02:40:55.500 --> 02:41:01.780 ellis stated was proved i believe it was under the 2002 zoning code that doesn't require 02:41:01.780 --> 02:41:10.580 any external connectivity to to adjacent properties so you know for this one it kind of is what 02:41:10.580 --> 02:41:22.620 it is um and you know i i guess i yeah it's at the same time it's a um it's a good product 02:41:22.620 --> 02:41:28.060 you know it'll provide homes for people we need homes of different sizes for people to 02:41:28.060 --> 02:41:34.140 live in um and and so i i guess i i share some of the concerns and i just hope that 02:41:34.140 --> 02:41:40.580 the projects in this region will spur some more um non-residential development in the 02:41:40.580 --> 02:41:48.220 future thank you i think those are great points commissioners and possibly um this is near 02:41:48.220 --> 02:41:53.500 this whole small area plan that we've had this discussion so those would be great points 02:41:53.500 --> 02:41:58.420 um you know when we do get that started off the ground um yeah and just a few thoughts 02:41:58.420 --> 02:42:04.540 on this this is really exciting to have um such a new and and um unique product really 02:42:04.540 --> 02:42:08.820 available for for us i think it's i think it's a great thing for the city honestly and 02:42:08.820 --> 02:42:24.940 and um um yeah i'm i'm excited so let's uh take a vote on the board 02:42:24.940 --> 02:42:37.820 that motion carries seven zero congratulations uh public hearing 5d z21 0005b cameron robertson 02:42:37.820 --> 02:42:57.460 good evening commissioners let me just share my screen real quick oops i apologize um and 02:42:57.460 --> 02:43:05.340 cameron excuse me i will open the public hearing i failed to do that thank you um so this is 02:43:05.340 --> 02:43:10.100 the rezoning so just to give some background um this originally went in front of planning 02:43:10.100 --> 02:43:17.940 and zoning commission on june 23rd 2021 it was a requested rezoning of 0.326 acres from 02:43:17.940 --> 02:43:25.460 mixed use neighborhood mn and residential four r4 districts to a residential six district 02:43:25.460 --> 02:43:30.740 there was no public meeting held at the time and there was one property property in favor 02:43:30.740 --> 02:43:36.820 this was voted six zero to approve the rezoning this was then presented to city council on 02:43:36.820 --> 02:43:42.140 august 3rd with the recommendation of approval at least three members of the council indicated 02:43:42.140 --> 02:43:47.500 that they were in favor of an mn rezoning instead of r6 rezoning and i do just want 02:43:47.500 --> 02:43:53.540 to note that city city council can approve a change of rezoning that is more restrictive 02:43:53.540 --> 02:44:00.700 after pnz gives their recommendation and because of this recommended rezoning um and it allowed 02:44:00.700 --> 02:44:07.140 more uses that was why it was remanded back to pnz for further input so other members 02:44:07.140 --> 02:44:11.740 also during that city council hearing um did indicate that they wanted to hear more from 02:44:11.740 --> 02:44:17.060 the neighborhood regarding that proposed development development so as i stated it was remanded 02:44:17.060 --> 02:44:20.880 back to planning and zoning commission which asked for a neighborhood meeting to take place 02:44:20.880 --> 02:44:27.220 before that as well as review under a proposed mn district that meeting did take place on 02:44:27.220 --> 02:44:33.100 monday august 23rd 2021 at the mlk junior recreation center with approximately 20 members 02:44:33.100 --> 02:44:39.420 of the community in attendance so the new request is for a rezoning of 0.326 acres from 02:44:39.420 --> 02:44:47.820 the mn and r4 to an mn district the property has been vacant since 1984 during that public 02:44:47.820 --> 02:44:52.340 meeting we learned the applicant did learn that it was home to the first black owned 02:44:52.340 --> 02:44:59.380 service station in denton and that property is currently surrounded by mn r4 our residential 02:44:59.380 --> 02:45:06.260 three and public facilities districts so just to briefly cover the 2002 zoning map where 02:45:06.260 --> 02:45:13.180 i was originally that split um rmu and that nr4 and then that current zoning map with 02:45:13.180 --> 02:45:19.700 that mn and r4 split and then the proposed zoning map which shows that mn so we do have 02:45:19.700 --> 02:45:25.300 our general approval criteria which i'll just be focusing on points three and eight and 02:45:25.300 --> 02:45:29.380 then we do have the zoning criteria for approval which i'll be focusing on points one five 02:45:29.380 --> 02:45:35.660 and six so the site is designated low residential which is intended for new development up to 02:45:35.660 --> 02:45:41.940 four dwelling units per acre it is organized remote walkability access to parks open space 02:45:41.940 --> 02:45:49.060 recreation amenities and neighborhood serving retail so the mn is typically not consistent 02:45:49.060 --> 02:45:54.100 with the future land use map however this does continue that existing zoning pattern 02:45:54.100 --> 02:45:58.460 that i previously showed on the slides it does permit a variety of lower intensity housing 02:45:58.460 --> 02:46:02.980 types and does that provide an opportunity to create neighborhood serving retail in the 02:46:02.980 --> 02:46:07.740 future and it is within walking distance of fred moore park the fred moore high school 02:46:07.740 --> 02:46:13.740 and child care center as well as claris kitchen it does serve as that transition between the 02:46:13.740 --> 02:46:18.580 low residential area to the south and that downtown compatibility area just to the north 02:46:18.580 --> 02:46:23.500 and it does further our goal to promote a compact development pattern through infill 02:46:23.500 --> 02:46:30.700 development so the mn is consistent with that surrounding zoning and development pattern 02:46:30.700 --> 02:46:36.900 that currently exists the existing land use pattern along robertson street is mixed use 02:46:36.900 --> 02:46:40.780 there is infill development would provide that variety of housing options as i stated 02:46:40.780 --> 02:46:44.940 and serve as a transition between that single family neighborhood to the south and that 02:46:44.940 --> 02:46:50.460 mixed use and downtown transition areas along robertson into the north and it does provide 02:46:50.460 --> 02:46:55.860 the opportunity to develop future mixed use and film as you can see on the map there's 02:46:55.860 --> 02:47:02.220 a couple buildings highlighted or circled in blue and those are two duplexes and two 02:47:02.220 --> 02:47:07.940 fourplexes currently located within 650 feet or less of the subject property and there 02:47:07.940 --> 02:47:12.620 is no direct vehicular connection to the neighborhood to the south except along robertson street 02:47:12.620 --> 02:47:19.260 and the development would be required to conform with current site design standards just quickly 02:47:19.260 --> 02:47:23.620 go over the public facilities and services in terms of transportation and there would 02:47:23.620 --> 02:47:30.340 be two total morning peak hour trips and four evening peak hour trips it could generate 02:47:30.340 --> 02:47:35.500 approximately one elementary student it is located approximately 0.4 miles from fred moore 02:47:35.500 --> 02:47:41.540 park there are public water and wastewater services that are available to the site and 02:47:41.540 --> 02:47:46.040 the nearest fire station is approximately 0.6 miles within that eight minute or less 02:47:46.040 --> 02:47:51.020 response time boundary and as you can see on this conceptual site plan it does show 02:47:51.020 --> 02:47:58.380 currently a proposed fourplex there was public outreach done we did newspaper and property 02:47:58.380 --> 02:48:04.060 post property postings and there as i stated there was a neighborhood meeting held on august 02:48:04.060 --> 02:48:10.260 twenty-third there were mill notices and there was response in favor located at 521 robertson 02:48:10.260 --> 02:48:16.320 street as you can see shown on the map so staff is recommending approval of the request 02:48:16.320 --> 02:48:23.220 of rezoning as it applies with our criteria in sections 2.4.5 e as well as 2.72 d of the 02:48:23.220 --> 02:48:31.340 den development code and i can stand for any questions thank you cameron are there any 02:48:31.340 --> 02:48:44.140 questions commissioner mcday thank you chair i need you to go back to the map where you 02:48:44.140 --> 02:49:02.340 showed the fourplexes and the the duplex okay if i'm not mistaken i believe the one on the 02:49:02.340 --> 02:49:09.900 corner of carls timbers and meal is a two story correct okay because i was actually 02:49:09.900 --> 02:49:16.020 at the at the august twenty-third meeting there was a lot of misunderstanding so i took 02:49:16.020 --> 02:49:22.700 liberty to actually talk to the people on robertson street to let them actually know 02:49:22.700 --> 02:49:29.100 what was being planned and they were highly not in favor of it because the the one that's 02:49:29.100 --> 02:49:33.660 on the corner of mill and cost him his years ago when someone who actually lived in the 02:49:33.660 --> 02:49:40.740 neighborhood tried to have its own for that the city of the community came together and 02:49:40.740 --> 02:49:46.860 it was denied so the owner ended up selling the property and an outsider came in and bought 02:49:46.860 --> 02:49:56.860 it and years later there it is you know so it was like if we denied our own in our neighborhood 02:49:56.860 --> 02:50:03.120 how can an outsider come in and they're pretty much in the whole then they pretty much get 02:50:03.120 --> 02:50:06.740 what they want when they come into that neighborhood no matter how much they fight and how much 02:50:06.740 --> 02:50:12.900 they you know stand up for it it always gets it always gets approved so when i was actually 02:50:12.900 --> 02:50:17.340 talking to the the neighbors i was telling them about you know hey we have the meetings 02:50:17.340 --> 02:50:24.180 you have the public hearing and the only thing they were saying is it's a waste of time no 02:50:24.180 --> 02:50:30.140 matter what we do and no matter what we say it comes down to seven people who don't have 02:50:30.140 --> 02:50:35.380 any interest in in in our neighborhood so we pretty much will whatever's going to happen 02:50:35.380 --> 02:50:40.300 we figure it's going to happen and i'm trying to let them know that hey you do still have 02:50:40.300 --> 02:50:46.180 a voice and i'll do whatever i can but i mean i was one of the six that actually approved 02:50:46.180 --> 02:50:50.500 it but that was my first day on the board and when i actually got into it and started 02:50:50.500 --> 02:50:55.500 talking to the community they were like you know you know you're going to learn hey you 02:50:55.500 --> 02:51:01.620 know whatever whatever salvage didn't doesn't want we're going to get it anyway and i'm 02:51:01.620 --> 02:51:05.820 trying to get them out of that mindset because that's something that they never wanted in 02:51:05.820 --> 02:51:11.220 the neighborhood and it was approved and now another one's coming and they feel like no 02:51:11.220 --> 02:51:16.860 matter what they do or what they say it's going to come anyway so i'm trying to get 02:51:16.860 --> 02:51:22.460 them to understand that hey you know you still have a voice the city still cares but they're 02:51:22.460 --> 02:51:28.500 just under the understanding that no matter what we do or what we say it's going to happen 02:51:28.500 --> 02:51:33.140 so why waste our time waste our energy to come up to a public hearing when we already 02:51:33.140 --> 02:51:40.980 know what the outcome is going to be thank you commissioner mcday did um that was a discussion 02:51:40.980 --> 02:51:48.940 you had when it wasn't uh proposed an r6 zoning did you discuss this mn zoning or or that 02:51:48.940 --> 02:51:54.420 was the neighborhood meeting was the mn zoning a lot of them don't you know when you start 02:51:54.420 --> 02:51:58.500 getting to the r4s and r6s that they have no idea because most of the people on that 02:51:58.500 --> 02:52:05.580 street i hate to say it they're they're over 85 years old the youngest one is 83 so they 02:52:05.580 --> 02:52:13.220 really don't understand so they're opposed to uh their concern was the um the the four 02:52:13.220 --> 02:52:21.420 plex that was being talked about they had a problem with a with a one story but a two 02:52:21.420 --> 02:52:26.180 story just like what's on the corner of a meal and customers they fought for that to 02:52:26.180 --> 02:52:33.900 be denied and it was granted anyway they want the neighborhood to look the same and not 02:52:33.900 --> 02:52:39.620 just you have single single family homes and then you have a out of nowhere you have it 02:52:39.620 --> 02:52:47.540 you have a two story do a two story four plex did they have any um thoughts on um non-residential 02:52:47.540 --> 02:52:55.380 uses i know because i could say that property's been vacant since 1984 with exactly a gas 02:52:55.380 --> 02:53:02.620 station and nothing's ever been put there so it wasn't until uh they came forward that 02:53:02.620 --> 02:53:09.100 they even thought about it being a residential hill but it's always been a commercial or 02:53:09.100 --> 02:53:12.580 i don't know the actual zoning i'm afraid but it's always been a gas station there so 02:53:12.580 --> 02:53:15.940 i don't know what the actual zoning for that is but that's what they've always figured 02:53:15.940 --> 02:53:25.740 it to be and they never thought about it being residential okay um okay um are there any 02:53:25.740 --> 02:53:33.900 other questions for cameron um the i just wanted to note that the applicant is here 02:53:33.900 --> 02:53:37.740 if you do have specific questions for the applicant they can come down and speak okay 02:53:37.740 --> 02:53:45.540 thank you um commissioner pruett does have a question yeah thank you um so that we can 02:53:45.540 --> 02:53:52.220 get a context of building scale and that sort of thing could you describe um what the difference 02:53:52.220 --> 02:53:57.900 in height either just in a number of stories i guess maybe easiest to grasp uh between 02:53:57.900 --> 02:54:06.180 r4 and r6 or mn with a with a uh a four plex type of structure so the four plex would be 02:54:06.180 --> 02:54:12.740 able to have its same height whether it was in r6 or mn that doesn't matter the mn just 02:54:12.740 --> 02:54:18.820 gives the capability to have that commercial in the future if it is wanted um and if it's 02:54:18.820 --> 02:54:24.860 you know sought after um on that property um so there is no differentiating height um 02:54:24.860 --> 02:54:28.580 the four plex would still be two stories whether it was in the r6 and it would still be two 02:54:28.580 --> 02:54:32.780 stories if it was in the mn and if it was kept at r4 and somebody built a single family 02:54:32.780 --> 02:54:39.900 home there how how tall could that be um hayley do you have yeah um so all of our residential 02:54:39.900 --> 02:54:45.300 districts permit up to 40 feet in height um mn as you may recall from a one of the sups 02:54:45.300 --> 02:54:49.300 a couple of weeks ago they can go up to 40 feet by right if they go above that it requires 02:54:49.300 --> 02:54:55.340 that sup um to go up to 65 so it would be consistent across the board okay thank you 02:54:55.340 --> 02:55:07.180 um okay haley can i get a little bit more clarity on that so that would be with r4 r6 02:55:07.180 --> 02:55:12.820 the height is the same correct they're all 40 feet um for single for single family that's 02:55:12.820 --> 02:55:15.740 typically measured if it's like a pitched roof it goes to the midpoint of the pitched 02:55:15.740 --> 02:55:22.340 roof it's a flat roof it goes to the the top of the roof line okay um and with mn so mn 02:55:22.340 --> 02:55:27.620 allows um up to 65 feet in height you can go up to 40 feet by right so same as the single 02:55:27.620 --> 02:55:35.100 family districts if you go above 40 feet between 41 and 65 triggers an sup requirement okay 02:55:35.100 --> 02:55:43.780 thank you uh commissioner smith oh you were on the board okay okay um is there any other 02:55:43.780 --> 02:55:51.500 question for staff thank you camera um this is a public hearing does the applicant wish 02:55:51.500 --> 02:56:01.660 to speak i don't have a card for you but you're welcome to come down if you could come to 02:56:01.660 --> 02:56:10.900 the microphone do we have questions for the applicant i i do if you wouldn't mind if you 02:56:10.900 --> 02:56:15.340 could state your name and address for the record please good evening my name is steve 02:56:15.340 --> 02:56:21.820 homer i'm with homer engineering we're the civil engineer on this particular project 02:56:21.820 --> 02:56:27.440 i'm trying to get some clarity how we ended up back um to to where we are um and hoping 02:56:27.440 --> 02:56:32.900 that you can maybe shed a little bit of light on that um i know your desire has been to 02:56:32.900 --> 02:56:41.740 build um a residential use on this site yes ma'am i'm trying to understand how we um 02:56:41.740 --> 02:56:50.100 unfolded to where it's back to us um as a mixed use site which would could be a lot 02:56:50.100 --> 02:56:55.340 of other things other than a residential use right as miss robertson indicated you know 02:56:55.340 --> 02:57:01.980 we we came to staff um looking at mn originally um because it was already on the property 02:57:01.980 --> 02:57:08.580 uh we discussed that with staff staff came back and said you know they thought r6 would 02:57:08.580 --> 02:57:13.700 be an appropriate use uh that use or that district allowed for the use that we were 02:57:13.700 --> 02:57:23.580 proposing so we we decided to go forward with the r6 um that was presented to the pnz previously 02:57:23.580 --> 02:57:31.500 then when it made its way to council council had some concerns that by changing it to r6 02:57:31.500 --> 02:57:36.820 they would eliminate the ability to potentially have a commercial use at that location so 02:57:36.820 --> 02:57:44.660 they ask us to come back with an mn and also to meet with the the community which didn't 02:57:44.660 --> 02:57:50.940 occur to prior to the previous meeting uh and so that's kind of how we ended up back 02:57:50.940 --> 02:57:59.940 where we are tonight asking for mn basically at the request of the city council and were 02:57:59.940 --> 02:58:06.220 the mn uses or anything discussed with the neighborhood at the at the neighborhood meeting 02:58:06.220 --> 02:58:11.380 or was it mainly yeah we talked about the different uses there when we first had the 02:58:11.380 --> 02:58:15.820 meeting there was a little bit of concern uh from the from the neighborhood uh and i 02:58:15.820 --> 02:58:20.940 think it was primarily because they didn't understand how the process was taking place 02:58:20.940 --> 02:58:25.300 they felt that that by changing the zoning it was actually going to change the zoning 02:58:25.300 --> 02:58:30.480 on their property and we told them no that's not the case this is just strictly the particular 02:58:30.480 --> 02:58:36.420 piece of property in question um there was a lot of discussion it's probably 45 minutes 02:58:36.420 --> 02:58:42.100 to an hour maybe of discussion uh and then at the conclusion of the meeting i felt that 02:58:42.100 --> 02:58:49.540 the majority of the uh the neighborhood was in support of what we were doing um so tonight 02:58:49.540 --> 02:58:54.220 to hear that there was a little bit of opposition to that um was a little bit of a surprise 02:58:54.220 --> 02:59:03.060 to me okay yeah and my concern is is um with this being brought back to us as an mn i'm 02:59:03.060 --> 02:59:11.100 not sure that the community wouldn't be further confused um because this this discussion you 02:59:11.100 --> 02:59:16.500 know has always been about a residential use um to me driving by the property it it should 02:59:16.500 --> 02:59:21.940 be a residential use in my opinion um with the way that property sits and and and what 02:59:21.940 --> 02:59:27.500 it's surrounded by um okay thank you for and and cameron may correct me if i'm wrong but 02:59:27.500 --> 02:59:32.060 i thought there was some of the neighbors that they wanted to keep the potential for 02:59:32.060 --> 02:59:38.020 commercial use um available should that change come up in the future if somebody wanted to 02:59:38.020 --> 02:59:45.000 do something different um but uh like it had been indicated you know the um site's been 02:59:45.000 --> 02:59:50.740 vacant for almost 36 years and so it hasn't been commercial it hasn't been residential 02:59:50.740 --> 02:59:56.660 uh and so now my client is coming forward wanting to build a uh a fourplex at this location 02:59:56.660 --> 03:00:02.580 so we feel that's a good use potentially for this site okay thank you for for sharing that 03:00:02.580 --> 03:00:06.500 um commissioner mcdade yeah thank you yeah i just wanted to clarify you know that that 03:00:06.500 --> 03:00:13.820 there were quite a few people who were in favor but one thing we i had to consider was 03:00:13.820 --> 03:00:20.860 the majority of the people who were in favor don't live anywhere near where you want to 03:00:20.860 --> 03:00:26.320 build a property i actually went to the people on robertson street okay and they were the 03:00:26.320 --> 03:00:32.860 ones who were opposed to the four to the fourplex because uh actually when it was brought to 03:00:32.860 --> 03:00:37.940 my attention and they brought up the names i'm like you know miss and mr so-and-so they 03:00:37.940 --> 03:00:43.700 live almost two miles away so i didn't really take into what they had to say i wanted to 03:00:43.700 --> 03:00:48.480 hear from the people who was actually going to be affected by the move and they were the 03:00:48.480 --> 03:00:54.100 ones who i took to heart and those are the ones that i listened to about being in opposition 03:00:54.100 --> 03:01:04.140 of the of the building site thank you thank you thank you for coming down um so um i'll 03:01:04.140 --> 03:01:07.740 just put a little more clarity on what we're discussing here so this is a zoning change 03:01:07.740 --> 03:01:14.940 so um the request is to change the zoning to mn so we're really not talking about a 03:01:14.940 --> 03:01:21.420 specific project although that's what a lot of the discussion ends up becoming um anyway 03:01:21.420 --> 03:01:28.100 i just wanted to put that out there and i will um ask one more time if there's anyone wanting 03:01:28.100 --> 03:01:36.460 to speak at this public hearing is there anyone on the phone no ma'am okay thank you i will 03:01:36.460 --> 03:01:40.700 then close the public hearing and open the floor to the commission for discussion or 03:01:40.700 --> 03:01:48.220 a motion uh commissioner smith i'm going to make a motion to approve as an r6 zoning and 03:01:48.220 --> 03:01:53.980 not an mn um i think that as there's been a lot of discussion i know city council shot 03:01:53.980 --> 03:01:59.060 this down and legal can weigh in on this mac um city council can go ahead and they can 03:01:59.060 --> 03:02:04.420 they can vote to approve a more strict zoning than what is recommended is that correct if 03:02:04.420 --> 03:02:09.000 we recommended r6 a second time and they said well that's cool we gave you we remanded back 03:02:09.000 --> 03:02:13.300 to you but we're we don't agree we're gonna do mn they can still they can still do that 03:02:13.300 --> 03:02:17.860 they don't have to remand it back to us again correct that's correct they can approve less 03:02:17.860 --> 03:02:23.280 than 10 okay and we as a commissioner are allowed to zone down in intensity in our motion 03:02:23.280 --> 03:02:30.160 okay then uh yeah i'll make a motion to to approve for an r6 i don't think that setting 03:02:30.160 --> 03:02:35.540 up a zoning for an area regardless of a project um i don't think setting up a zoning for an 03:02:35.540 --> 03:02:43.300 area for mixed use that opens up a residential area for you know non-residential uses is 03:02:43.300 --> 03:02:49.380 intelligent whether that is for uses that are going to be used six months from now and 03:02:49.380 --> 03:02:52.540 then especially if it's uses that they're talking about that possibly 20 years from 03:02:52.540 --> 03:02:56.700 now could be done if there's a project 20 years from now that needs an mn and they're 03:02:56.700 --> 03:03:02.100 tearing down some other project that was residential previously they can come back for the rezoning 03:03:02.100 --> 03:03:07.340 sounds like it's it's it looks like a residential area it fits a residential area i'm sad that 03:03:07.340 --> 03:03:10.820 the commission even had to spend the time to go through and look at this again this 03:03:10.820 --> 03:03:16.260 is an r6 zoning as flat as it can be so that is my motion okay we have a motion on the 03:03:16.260 --> 03:03:25.860 floor um to recommend to city council to rezone the property to an r6 designation i'm going 03:03:25.860 --> 03:03:32.780 to go ahead and second that um i i i just don't understand how we got to this point 03:03:32.780 --> 03:03:40.460 um i'm not willing to um put an mn zoning here um and open up that site to those other 03:03:40.460 --> 03:03:46.460 uses i i do think a residential um property belongs here i thought that the first time 03:03:46.460 --> 03:03:55.660 around that that the proposal to r6 made sense here um if for whatever reason um the applicant 03:03:55.660 --> 03:04:01.540 decides not to it's zoned r6 it can remain a residential use which i believe is the best 03:04:01.540 --> 03:04:08.980 use at this time for the property um so with that i will open the floor for discussion 03:04:08.980 --> 03:04:18.140 commissioner prudit thank you um mac i didn't quite hear if if we were to recommend an r6 03:04:18.140 --> 03:04:23.580 zoning are you saying that the council would have the opportunity to approve anything r6 03:04:23.580 --> 03:04:28.100 or below or anything as it was noticed to mn or below they'd still be able to consider 03:04:28.100 --> 03:04:31.940 the mn because that's what it's posted for so they could still consider that okay such 03:04:31.940 --> 03:04:36.980 as they have the ability to zone down to an r6 because it's less intense than the mn okay 03:04:36.980 --> 03:04:47.820 thank you um i i would like to move an amendment um to recommend r7 zoning instead of r6 um 03:04:47.820 --> 03:04:56.520 i think when when we look at this street right robertson um across the street right there's 03:04:56.520 --> 03:05:03.920 already uh four parcels i think that are mn right it's a collector street um it it has 03:05:03.920 --> 03:05:11.980 some history of some neighborhood retail and to me if if our if mn is too crazy for us 03:05:11.980 --> 03:05:17.620 to think about that a neighborhood might want neighborhood retail then r7 seems like a a 03:05:17.620 --> 03:05:25.920 clear um it's designed for that right it it has the ability to have some neighborhood 03:05:25.920 --> 03:05:32.380 retail with an sup in the future uh with that said it it pains me that this developer is 03:05:32.380 --> 03:05:37.100 having to go through all these hoops just because everybody's confused all we're doing 03:05:37.100 --> 03:05:43.260 is increasing the cost of these homes in the future right um and and i think that really 03:05:43.260 --> 03:05:48.860 what we're what what's going on seems like we're trying to figure out what this street 03:05:48.860 --> 03:05:55.100 is going to look like by looking at one little piece of the sidewalk right i think the important 03:05:55.100 --> 03:06:00.760 thing is how does this neighborhood adapt over the next 20 years and the zoning of this 03:06:00.760 --> 03:06:09.820 one parcel is not going to determine that right um but i think r7 has um has sort of 03:06:09.820 --> 03:06:15.380 some elements of it's primarily residential uh it's it's easier and cheaper to adapt it 03:06:15.380 --> 03:06:21.260 to a neighborhood retail with an sup instead of a full zoning change uh so so that's that's 03:06:21.260 --> 03:06:31.180 why i'm moving for that so so to clarify i'm i'm moving to amend the motion uh to recommend 03:06:31.180 --> 03:06:45.420 r7 zoning a non-friendly friendly amendment give me time to consider your friendly amendment 03:06:45.420 --> 03:06:50.900 so it seems here essentially all the all r7 could possibly do compared to r6 would be 03:06:50.900 --> 03:06:56.100 open up banking and financial institutions it does open up open up multi-family both 03:06:56.100 --> 03:07:13.580 those by sup um that really the the the commercial pieces that you reference is there anything 03:07:13.580 --> 03:07:17.980 you can give me other than i guess i see now general retail space less than 5000 square 03:07:17.980 --> 03:07:25.740 feet laundry facility self-services so a few things um i'll accept the friendly amendment 03:07:25.740 --> 03:07:31.460 okay i'm going to withdraw my second on that because this opens up exactly why i didn't 03:07:31.460 --> 03:07:36.260 want to go mn i don't think that commercial use if that's something in the future that 03:07:36.260 --> 03:07:40.340 this is going to be then we can discuss it and whoever's sitting on pnz at that time 03:07:40.340 --> 03:07:51.780 can discuss a zoning change in my opinion commissioner sienna fergans planning director 03:07:51.780 --> 03:07:57.580 hopefully you can hear me through the mask yes um with the suggestion to change to r7 03:07:57.580 --> 03:08:01.860 miss sigurski i'm going to put you on the spot here do we know do the development standards 03:08:01.860 --> 03:08:06.420 of the r7 district would that accommodate the development proposal to do the duplex 03:08:06.420 --> 03:08:13.540 to do the fourplex design or um cameron um to be able to accommodate them um my concern 03:08:13.540 --> 03:08:18.260 is that if we move forward with r7 and the development standards of the r7 district do 03:08:18.260 --> 03:08:22.460 not work for the applicant with the product that they're proposing for their development 03:08:22.460 --> 03:08:27.580 plan i don't want to set them up for failure um on with the consideration of this district 03:08:27.580 --> 03:08:35.180 so hence why i'm sure deferring to my staff on those standards so absolutely so the um 03:08:35.180 --> 03:08:39.380 the development standards are roughly identical um it does allow for a smaller minimum lot 03:08:39.380 --> 03:08:44.460 size i don't know given the size of the overall property that that could open it up for subdivision 03:08:44.460 --> 03:08:48.420 uh but setbacks building height all of those would still be the same okay thank you for 03:08:48.420 --> 03:09:01.320 clarifying commissioner smith did you have a comment yeah i actually wanted to um backtrack 03:09:01.320 --> 03:09:06.020 and say that i spoke too soon i didn't i didn't have a chance to think about it and as soon 03:09:06.020 --> 03:09:11.460 as i said it i i want to change it i i do i i want to reject your friendly amendment 03:09:11.460 --> 03:09:20.660 i do want to keep it as r6 so my apologies so your motion on the floor is r6 no friendly 03:09:20.660 --> 03:09:27.020 amendment i will put my second back there and do we have further discussion commissioner 03:09:27.020 --> 03:09:35.380 pruett yeah thank you um i just want to clarify and see if if staff concurs um commissioner 03:09:35.380 --> 03:09:41.460 ellis i think you you said that it would open it up to uh neighborhood retail uses i believe 03:09:41.460 --> 03:09:47.860 all of those maybe with the exception of professional office uh would require an sup so it would 03:09:47.860 --> 03:09:54.860 still come back before this body if if that was desired is that correct yes but an sup 03:09:54.860 --> 03:10:01.900 is not the way to zone property okay and sup is in place so that that um the project can 03:10:01.900 --> 03:10:08.940 be scrutinized it's not necessarily to to deny a use per se um it's just not um in my 03:10:08.940 --> 03:10:24.580 opinion a way to zone property i i don't think that and an r7 belongs here at this time okay 03:10:24.580 --> 03:10:32.700 so uh so i guess my my motion for amendment uh is failing for a second is that accurate 03:10:32.700 --> 03:10:41.540 see if there's a second because he still has made the motion for the for the r7 if there's 03:10:41.540 --> 03:10:45.580 a second for that is there a second for the friendly amendment to it's not friendly this 03:10:45.580 --> 03:10:58.460 one just an amendment amendment to the motion to an r7 i see none for that so we will move 03:10:58.460 --> 03:11:06.540 forward with the motion on the floor as presented is there any discussion 03:11:06.540 --> 03:11:11.580 commissioner villarreal i just want to start off by thanking commissioner mcday for doing 03:11:11.580 --> 03:11:18.380 that outreach to the folks in that community i know sometimes folks aren't willing especially 03:11:18.380 --> 03:11:23.220 in marginally marginalized communities such as that to go forward to some of these public 03:11:23.220 --> 03:11:28.540 meetings so i do want to thank you for that i do agree that leaving it up to a leaving 03:11:28.540 --> 03:11:35.660 at an mn designation or an r7 is leaving too much up to up to chance there and we should 03:11:35.660 --> 03:11:43.060 abide by the community's decision here and and zone it to an r6 so i'm in favor of the 03:11:43.060 --> 03:11:52.660 current motion thank you and i will just say um yeah i still don't truly understand how 03:11:52.660 --> 03:11:58.100 we got back here and i am sorry that things have been delayed for you um thank you for 03:11:58.100 --> 03:12:11.100 your patience um with that i'll call for a vote on the board 03:12:11.100 --> 03:12:21.060 the motion carries a seven zero that moves us to our final item planning and zoning matrix 03:12:21.060 --> 03:12:29.340 i will turn it over to hayley if there's any discussion there microphone does not like 03:12:29.340 --> 03:12:36.820 me tonight so we don't have any council updates since our last meeting we will be continuing 03:12:36.820 --> 03:12:41.700 with our planning boot camp series next week covering platting so we're going to work through 03:12:41.700 --> 03:12:44.920 somebody else's request to provide some more concrete examples of some of those reasons 03:12:44.920 --> 03:12:49.260 for denial and as well as going over just kind of the planning process to make sure 03:12:49.260 --> 03:12:55.900 everyone's up to speed i did want to mention in light of the discussion earlier with strip 03:12:55.900 --> 03:13:01.420 annexation and i just wanted to see if there's any appetite for that to be a future training 03:13:01.420 --> 03:13:06.420 or boot camp topic related to annexation kind of past history where we are now where current 03:13:06.420 --> 03:13:11.380 legislation leaves us so if that's something that you all are interested in we can certainly 03:13:11.380 --> 03:13:15.300 put that together as well as coming back with some more detail related to y'all's inquiries 03:13:15.300 --> 03:13:21.580 about strip annexation as part of ron's presentation in two weeks so yeah i think that's a great 03:13:21.580 --> 03:13:29.420 idea because i know things have changed greatly absolutely is there anything anyone wants 03:13:29.420 --> 03:13:38.260 to add to the matrix commissioner pruett yeah i guess i it's really more of a question to 03:13:38.260 --> 03:13:47.600 the rest of the commission whether there's appetite to discuss some of the more ways 03:13:47.600 --> 03:13:54.940 that these horizontal multifamily i guess that it was described tonight could could 03:13:54.940 --> 03:14:00.100 go forward in the city in the future we've had two projects like this already it sounds 03:14:00.100 --> 03:14:05.300 like there may be some more i'm just just wondering if other members would be interested 03:14:05.300 --> 03:14:12.420 in a discussion like that commissioner smith yeah i would be uh i think outside of just 03:14:12.420 --> 03:14:19.460 the comments that i made about that specific area and as as chair alice said the the need 03:14:19.460 --> 03:14:24.260 for a small area plan for that area i think those types of developments really should 03:14:24.260 --> 03:14:31.100 be looked more at as as an infill and as a density builder for a density needed or rich 03:14:31.100 --> 03:14:36.900 areas not as fringe area developments as kind of like that project that we approved tonight 03:14:36.900 --> 03:14:42.180 is once again great project but i'd love to be able to see more research just having not 03:14:42.180 --> 03:14:46.540 have a lot of familiarity with those types of horizontal multifamilies just more research 03:14:46.540 --> 03:14:53.540 about where that came from uh different uh different i don't know um code enforcements 03:14:53.540 --> 03:14:58.540 that we see across state of texas and even in other communities outside of texas where 03:14:58.540 --> 03:15:03.020 those are done and just some examples of where that makes sense from a development and planning 03:15:03.020 --> 03:15:08.540 scenario because i i think they're a cool hip chic thing to develop i think that they're 03:15:08.540 --> 03:15:13.580 just they have a specific market in a specific location so i would agree with commissioner 03:15:13.580 --> 03:15:18.420 prove it then i would say add it to the matrix and we should have a discussion absolutely 03:15:18.420 --> 03:15:22.100 and just so you all know i believe there's at least two more of those in the q s pds 03:15:22.100 --> 03:15:26.700 that will be coming up uh in the near future so we've not seen the last of that topic 03:15:26.700 --> 03:15:36.780 yet very good anything else for the matrix okay in conclude oh commissioner cold future 03:15:36.780 --> 03:15:43.500 one's coming thank you try to think there is another proposed along bonnie bray that 03:15:43.500 --> 03:15:51.900 i believe julie is working with um and then there is one that shawn's working on at 380 03:15:51.900 --> 03:15:57.300 and marshal i believe is the cross street that's what i okay that's what i thought thank 03:15:57.300 --> 03:16:02.940 you familiar with that one okay in concluding i'll just say congratulations to vice chair 03:16:02.940 --> 03:16:09.820 smith will be nice to have you right back at you thank you and um i will welcome once 03:16:09.820 --> 03:16:15.500 again commissioner villarreal thank you for your service and welcome aboard and with that 03:16:15.500 --> 03:16:22.220 i will adjourn our meeting at 8 45 pm thank you everyone