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 to the city of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for Wednesday, September 8th, 2021.

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 This is our work session and with a quorum present, I will call us to order at 5.02 p.m.

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 Let me take a quick moment to welcome a new commissioner for his first meeting, Commissioner Villarreal.

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 Happy to have you here. Welcome.

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 Also, note, commissioners, that we're having a technology issue here.

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 Oh, well, it might be fixed because now I see the button is lit, so we may not be.

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 So we'll try the request to speak and vote on the board.

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 If it doesn't, we'll go back old school.

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 OK, our first item on the agenda is citizen comment for consent agenda.

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 Stewart, do you happen to be up in the sky there?

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 No callers for the consent agenda.

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 Very good. Thank you much.

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 OK, then work session reports.

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 Let's receive a report and hold a discussion regarding Discover Denton.

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 All right, well, good evening, afternoon, evening.

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 What are we at? Hi, everybody.

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 This is Jessica Robinson, our director of marketing.

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 And then we have Aaron Carter, who's just watching from the back, our president of the Chamber of Commerce.

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 Everybody knows Aaron. Appreciate the time today.

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 We're just here to tell you a little bit about ourselves, what we've been doing lately, some of our new go to market strategy that we've put together.

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 And obviously, as we look towards the Denton 2040 in the future, everything as the town's developing and everything you guys are planning, how that ties in with the tourism component.

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 So a little bit about us today, Discover Denton, we're a destination marketing organization.

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 So you probably known as formerly as the Denton Convention and Visitors Bureau.

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 You guys might have heard that term before.

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 It's actually the CVV is a term that has kind of phased out over the last decade. And we adopted a no more action oriented word, a descriptive word of our organization about a year ago, part of our kind of our new brand launch and became Discover Denton.

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 It was already our URL. It was things we're using in campaign, but it just made a lot more sense. It's very similar to surrounding cities.

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 You've got your visit Dallas and visit Fort Worth. They're all using different kind of words like that.

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 So really our mission that Discover Denton is to market and promote Denton in order to generate demand for the destination, creating a positive economic impact on the community.

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 And that really sums up everything we're doing as we do this with our sales and services team, our marketing team.

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 And then we have our downtown visitor center right on the square where we also are hosting customers and guests down there.

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 So a little bit about what we do and again how we do this. In short, we are a tourism engine for Denton.

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 We're kind of the amplification. We're the big microphone always talking about Denton and what there is to do here for tourism and conventions.

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 We have our website. We have some great SEO tools, our social channels. We're out there meeting with meeting and event planners.

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 So again, always constantly with the goal of trying to draw people to Denton and stay in our hotels overnight.

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 Organizations funded 100 percent by the hotel occupancy taxes.

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 So it's very important for us that the hotels are doing well and that we're driving revenue to the hotels in order to get those taxes up.

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 And just to touch a little bit on that, that tourism is such a big industry in Denton.

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 According to the Texas Economic Development report from 2019, because 2020, we threw everything out.

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 They're not counting out, but in Denton itself, there was 220 million dollars of economic impact just from tourism related business.

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 And that generated about seven point six, seven point six million dollars in tax receipts to the city.

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 So again, it's a huge, it's a huge industry for Denton that represented about 1900 jobs in 2019, 2020.

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 Obviously, there was a dip, but we're getting things back to normal here in 2021.

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 And so it's looking good moving forward.

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 We're going to. Now, this is just a list of some of our hotels.

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 Hopefully you recognize most of these brands, Denton.

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 If you if you don't know, we have 25 hotels here in Denton represent about 2500 hotel rooms and about 100000 square feet of meeting and event space.

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 So we do have, you know, other than the embassy suites, which a lot of people realize that's the big Denton Convention Center.

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 There are 24 other hotels, limited service hotels, economy hotels, but these hotels are very important to us.

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 Those are all brands. You know, when you put them on a chart here like this, you can recognize there's, you know, every national brand is here.

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 And so we're real proud of that. And it gives us a nice palette of offerings.

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 And we're again talking about driving people to Denton for those overnight stays.

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 So so part in the last year, year and a half, we've kind of refreshed a lot of things.

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 We've got a whole new team that has kind of come on board, obviously, with covid and everything going on, things have all reset.

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 We looked at the agencies we were using. We were looking at the marketing strategies.

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 Jessica came on board with us about a year ago and we really, really for a whole year was revamping everything, building a new website.

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 And we partnered with a new digital agency called BuzzShift.

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 And they're really kind of the point of us being here today after talking with Tim.

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 And he thought it was real important to get out in front of front of these commissioners, the board here to talk about some of the things we're doing, some of the things that are in market.

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 Hopefully, you're already seeing some of that and to see how that ties into the future of Denton and how we're trying to build things and move forward in the tourism and convention industry.

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 Pull it over to Jessica here and she'll walk you through the rest.

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 Hello. Hi. Can everybody hear me?

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 Yes. So, again, Jessica Robinson, I've been here about a year and it was a really interesting time, obviously, to join the team.

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 But it did allow us time to reset and think through how we were presenting ourselves, our messaging, who we're targeting and creative assets, everything, the channels that were present in as well.

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 We took that time. We did an audit of the past five years of content, looked at everything on our website.

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 We went through Google Analytics.

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 We engaged everybody that, you know, any sort of document that we could find, a strategic document, frameworks, vision documents, compiled all of that into reports, handed that over to BuzzShift, who, again, their roots are in Denton.

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 And they presented us with a go to market strategy that's about 100 pages of just learnings and ways that we can reestablish ourselves and go back out with a stronger message,

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 a defined message and get ourselves back into some digital media as well.

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 So through all the documents, it was important for us to start narrowing down again who we are and what we stand for.

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 So we did identify a unique selling proposition for Denton.

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 That is a welcoming community of unconventional character and charm. Denton offers unique experiences and unforgettable memories to vacationers and conference planners looking to experience something different.

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 We also identified brand principles for Denton. We're diverse, we're authentic, we're creative and we're community centered.

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 From this, we developed brand positioning and we have two different customers. We have a leisure traveler and a business to business traveler.

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 So Denton offers experiences built around small businesses, culture and history, conference and expo experiences fold into the city and then Denton Square, taking visitors from day to night to morning.

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 Denton offers an escape from the same old experience found in any town USA. The unique culture of Denton offers big city amenities with small town surprises.

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 The culture of Denton is shaped by born here, raised here, business owners, visitors from all over and weekenders turned into residents.

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 And again, we have a statement now for the leisure traveler and business traveler, and this has been used to develop all of our content to present.

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 So the perfect weekend getaway is for our leisure traveler. Whether you're looking to escape the bustle of the large metropolis or just looking for new experiences,

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 Denton offers the perfect weekend escape for you to relax, unwind and experience the charm and character of a city that's uniquely different.

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 From eclectic craft breweries and eateries to shopping and antiquing, Denton has something for everyone.

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 And then for the meeting or event planner, we have the ideal conference destination. Denton is a perfect destination for conferences of all sizes and types.

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 Whether you're looking for an area to connect with teams and mentors via fireside chats or you're looking for large spaces solely for you and your attendees, Denton has what you need.

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 After your events, Denton offers eateries, brew houses, taprooms and more, all within a short distance of the convention center.

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 So these statements were important because in the past, most of our creative was just a one size fits all.

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 So now we have different statements for the different audiences and creative that's beginning to reflect that.

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 And it's been important for us to go around and speak to groups like yourselves so that we can begin to share these, how we're positioning ourselves.

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 So if there's any feedback that you have to we're very open to that, because again, this is still very much a process and a journey.

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 From that, we started developing all of the different topics that we can talk about within Denton.

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 And this list is ever growing. There's no shortage of stories to tell.

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 But we chose this bubble map and started to identify the key things that have stories around it.

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 This content I'll share on the next one, but comes through in videos and blogs and emails, newsletters.

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 There's so many opportunities with so many channels, but we wanted to make sure that we were being direct and we were starting to focus on key things, key highlights within Denton.

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 And then developing an ongoing content series, we are being very direct in the types of things that we're putting out.

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 The channels that we're using. So we have new blog posts, again, the email, speaking to other business owners, getting out to learn all of the stories that we have, partnering with other businesses.

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 If there are things that may not make sense for us to talk about, how can we help somebody else share that message?

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 And our team supports all of the things. I think on one of the first slides, it was all the channels that were in for social.

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 I mean, we're constantly churning out content, constantly working to get these messages out.

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 We started developing these content frameworks for every single month.

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 These identify the stories that we'll be talking about.

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 Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for that.

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 These begin to identify the main topics that we speak about each month.

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 Opportunities, too, from our businesses, if there's any of the pop culture events that may make sense for them that we can help with.

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 The big area events that we have coming up in Denton County, conferences that are coming into town.

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 This helps our businesses plan. If there is a big event coming, we want to make sure that they're aware of that and staffed properly.

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 And then the upcoming next month's events, what we hope to be talking about.

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 So this is, you know, helped with as we've gone and started meeting with people throughout the city.

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 This has been such a great tool so that we're all aligned on our messaging, our strategy and what we're talking about from a tourism point of view.

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 Then an output of this, we have a guide that we give out every single month that shares all of these wonderful stories that we have.

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 So this is a printed piece. We send it out again to all of our business owners, everybody in the city, residents, hotels, restaurants,

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 so that everybody has an idea of what's going on that month, the stories that we're telling and then, you know, anything else that's just coming up on the radar.

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 We also give people reasons to come to Denton with perfect weekends, outdoor adventures and the exhibits that are coming up.

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 But again, all of this is very thoughtful. It's the branding is now on point.

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 Everybody's using the same documents as we start to talk to our tourism.

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 We also have revised most of our collateral. So for our meeting and event planners, we have a meet in Denton guide that gives you all of the reasons to hold your conference or event in Denton.

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 We have a top 10 reasons to meet in Denton.

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 New signage for when we're going to expose and events and then custom collateral, such as this little piece right here that.

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 This that we developed for some of our VIP meeting and event planners when they come in for a meeting, it's a placemat that has information about Denton itself, where we're located.

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 And then QR codes that take you to all of the places on the website for your itinerary, your venues or things to do.

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 So constantly again, branding Denton, making sure that we're all aligned on our messaging and showcasing the many great things to do in Denton.

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 With all of this or go to market, we've launched some paid media, and this is where the assets start to come together.

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 And I'll play those. Hopefully you've seen some of these may not be sound.

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 So these have started playing on Instagram on Facebook.

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 We also have Google search that's gone out paid search and we're continuing to test or making sure that the audience is correct.

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 We're looking at insights differently.

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 We're creating dashboards of analytics, so this very much is still a test and learn process, but it is working.

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 Which I play off. Yeah, I'm playing another one. They're supposed to be music. That's OK. It's there.

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 OK, we also have organic social.

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 We're in on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and Pinterest.

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 Pinterest is actually one of the top channels to plan any sort of travel.

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 So we've revised our whole experience on that, making sure that we have itineraries.

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 We're highlighting events that are happening and paying attention to the trends on Pinterest as well.

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 How people are planning as of right now, we have a target of weekenders 21 through 45 as our main target.

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 But that's continuing to evolve as we build out content, build out campaigns or adding on to that.

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 But our organic social has performed quite well.

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 Again, we're partnering, showing, highlighting people that are coming into the city, sharing their content as well, paying attention and engaging has been phenomenal.

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 And then amplification.

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 So we've created lots of new assets that we're starting to share that that really start to tell the story of Denton, making sure that we're paying attention to our top.

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 You know, the reasons to come here, branding the important assets of our city.

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 As Mike mentioned earlier, we relaunched our Web site that happened in February and our search traffic to the Web site has increased by 700 percent here today.

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 So these are big jumps that we're making.

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 And again, they're working.

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 And then we don't have any sound of this one of the one of the other kind of kind of neat and different activations we did this year.

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 We had an opportunity to with the launch of the Web site in February, we had an opportunity to partner with the NASCAR Xfinity racing team and sponsor a NASCAR.

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 As you can see, there is a driver, Tommy, Joe Martin's.

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 What we did is we to get ahead of things, so we sponsored it in the Las Vegas race, which was in March, which is one of the most televised, highest viewed races.

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 And it was to promote not only the new Web site, the race car actually has the same colors and look and feel the Web site.

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 So the aesthetics of it was a really unique way to market and promote the new Web site.

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 But as well as talk about Denton as an option for, you know, we're a proximity to Texas Motor Speedway, you know, in Denton County, just 15, 20 minutes away in our hotels are popular for fans.

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 So we were talking to the teams and the fans was getting out ahead of it to promote the race that we had in June, as well as the upcoming there's a race in October, the playoff races.

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 So this was a great clip.

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 If we could hear it and we could send it to you, we got a great commercial, almost about a 30 second commercial here when our driver was running in the top 10.

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 They came out of a commercial and they talked about then we got a new sponsor on board and they're promoting hotel packages to Denton.

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 And so it was really great.

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 That was kind of a bonus because you never know what you're going to get from that.

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 But we got a lot of good TV time, tremendous Web site and social traffic over those dates.

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 And then the caveat was when the Texas race occurred June 12th, we had the race car here in town on Denton up on the square in front of the visitor center for a three hour meet and greet with the driver.

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 It was a way to draw hundreds of people to come meet the driver and sign autographs and come into the visitor center and again, just generate some business downtown on.

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 And otherwise, it was a Friday afternoon from 12 to three where, you know, other than that lunch period, it slows down a little bit.

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 So that was kind of a unique, different thing.

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 You could see there's a photo of Gerard.

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 He was an honorary crew member.

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 He got his pit crew shirt.

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 And so we were really excited about that.

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 And again, this is just something different and unique and out of the box.

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 We had an opportunity to do it.

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 It was based on a relationship we had with the team.

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 So it wasn't a big expense at all.

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 Believe it or not, it really was very minimal expense.

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 And but but the the bang we've gotten from it has been, you know, 50 fold of what we did at least.

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 And so, again, just trying to do something different and establish ourselves as, hey, Denton, we're really close to that racetrack.

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 And that's a way to fill hotels.

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 We can get these people to stay up here.

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 And we had a lot of success with that, too.

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 So we're looking forward to the October race and have another sold out weekend.

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 But all of this activations, the content that we're putting out, it's all working together.

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 We're all trying to stay within a color palette, following the Web site, the tone that we're using, that the copy, you know, it's it's very conversational.

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 We're we're an easy town to love.

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 So we're trying to get that across.

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 But a lot of the insights that we're pulling to the analytics, you know, who's coming to Denton?

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 We do have all of this. So if there are any discussions that you're having where that would be helpful, we're happy to share that,

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 And any documents that you have, planning documents, making sure that we have a conversation or sharing those with us as well,

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 because if you're positioning Denton in a certain light, we want to make sure that we're cognizant of that and paying attention to those words.

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 And with that, yeah, it's just wrapping it up there.

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 It's kind of the overall what we do and open it up here.

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 Any questions anyone might have for us or ideas you have to help promote the city?

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 We're here for every day. We're looking at an awesome presentation, you guys.

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 You mean it's exciting. Yeah.

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 Commissioner Smith. They all for coming out, appreciate it.

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 And that's awesome. Awesome presentation.

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 And it's glad to see the branding from a from a commission standpoint that, you know,

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 the tourism and the visitors that come to town, you know,

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 our our first thought process for doing planning and zoning is really from the residents of the town.

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 But being able to see the way that you guys are marketing the city and doing a great job at it helps us with understanding,

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 you know, as we start looking at some of the small area plans, things like that,

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 that we can work on and focusing on gateways and what that looks like as visitors are coming into town,

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 that we can align with that, that what what our marketing branch with the CBB or discovered didn't do for us

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 and bringing in that hotel occupancy tax to the city and bringing in sales tax to the city

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 that we need to be on the line with that as well as we're doing planning and zoning.

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 So I appreciate the presentation. Thanks for coming out. Thank you.

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 You know, and just real quick, one other thing that ties in well, you know,

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 you get these visitors sometimes to come to a convention or to a festival that they're not they're not residents yet.

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 They're just coming to visit, but it gets them to see the town and get exposed to it.

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 And they may one day turn into a resident or a business owner, you know, or, you know.

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 And so that's again, we're trying to amplify that message.

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 And, you know, there's so much clutter in the DFW area.

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 There's so many other cities and so many things to do with seven, eight million people.

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 But it's getting them up here. And we've had tremendous success where it's amazing how many times people come up here.

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 And, you know, they were a North Texas grad 25 years ago and they just haven't been up here yet.

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 They get up here for a convention or meeting and say, I had no idea you had all this.

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 We didn't know. So it's really rewarding when we see that.

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 But there definitely is a time for that.

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 So, yes, as you are planning things, you know, sports and recreation facilities, that's a big draw.

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 Wedding facilities. So all those kind of things help draw.

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 And at the end of the day, you have people to stay overnight and and spend money in our city.

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 And that's what we want. Thank you again, Commissioner Anderson.

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 Yeah, first of all, I'd like to thank you all for the presentation.

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 It was very nice. And as a resident born and raised here in Denton,

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 it's good to see somebody step up and take this action to promote the city.

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 I've never seen anything done like this for the city before, and I want to thank you all for doing that.

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 But my only question is, who came up with the hippiest city?

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 I'd rather see it say the happiest city, but because I know people that live outside of Denton that don't come into town

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 because we do have a bad population of the homeless right now.

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 And I think that kind of gives a negative connotation. That's just my thought.

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 But but anyway, bringing in all the sales tax dollars that you guys are doing, I think that's tremendous.

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 And I appreciate that. No, thank you.

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 And I will let you know none of that is not a set tagline at all.

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 We are testing things. And so feedback like this is very important to see.

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 What are the proper words for us as we explain the city?

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 There's a couple of different headlines that we've been using, and we may, you know, test them out and copy.

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 And just see how they perform. But we haven't we're not the hippest little city in Texas yet.

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 It's not the official tagline because you've been here for a year.

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 But if you're born and raised here like myself and Commissioner Cole, I mean, Commissioner Cole,

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 that there is a little area in Denton over on Fry Street, which was the hippie city, I mean, the hippie street.

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 And that kind of brings a negative connotation when you think about it, because there is a lot of bad deals that went down over there.

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 And but anyway, I'm glad to hear that that's not a yeah.

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 Well, and both Mike and I went to University of North Texas about a while ago.

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 And so now we're back. So I do understand what you're saying about Fry Street.

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 And so thank you for that. Yeah, thank you.

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 Well, if there are any follow up, sir, you'd like to see any more detail, because again, there's a hundred page document.

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 Please feel free to reach out to myself or to Mike. We're happy to share that again.

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 We're happy to share any of the analytics that we have so far.

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 What's been working and what we've sunsetted.

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 But all of that, we're just thankful for your partnership.

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 So thank you. Excellent, Jessica Mike. Thank you so much for coming out when you're taking that.

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 You got a souvenir. We got a souvenir. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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 OK, next on our work session agenda is clarification of agenda items listed on our agenda for this evening.

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 The first being our minutes for the 18th meeting. Are there any questions or clarifications needed on that?

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 OK, seeing none, that'll move us to our consent agenda.

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 Any questions? Clarifications needed on consent.

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 OK, then let's move to agenda four, items for individual consideration.

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 Not exactly sure how to move forward with 4A.

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 Are we just doing that in regular meeting? Regular meeting? OK.

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 Commissioner Smith, did you have a question?

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 We just have to do that in public, correct? OK, I got you. I didn't hear you. Sorry.

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 OK, next is 4B, PP2112B. Hello, Sean.

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 Just thought it might help to have this pulled up.

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 An updated version of this plan was emailed to you all earlier, so all comments have been addressed on this plan.

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 And we are now updating our recommendation to approval. Yes, I'm happy to answer any questions if you all have them on.

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 Yeah, that was all emailed out. I believe that was earlier today. Yeah, so everyone received that updated.

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 OK, any questions? I do not see any.

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 And so we will move to 4C, PP2116. That is Sean's item. That is mine.

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 And we are recommending denial, does not meet the established criteria,

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 but they request an extension specifically to the September 22nd meeting and staff has no objection to that requested extension.

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 And I guess my only question on that is, I mean, they get a 30 day extension.

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 And I know their request was specifically for the 22nd. Is that how we should then proceed?

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 I mean, if there was something that was not finished by the 22nd, then they could not receive another extension.

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 They were given the option to choose either P&Z meeting knowing that they had to choose one and they chose to go down.

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 OK, so that is their request is a date certain of 9/22. Yes, ma'am.

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 OK, very good. Any questions? OK, thanks, Sean.

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 Next item is for DPP2117. I don't see Karina here. She is calling in this evening.

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 She is calling in. Karina, are you there? Yes. Can you hear me? Yes.

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 All right. Yes, I decided to do this one from home today.

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 So the item today is a preliminary plat for a single lot for multifamily that is recommending denial.

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 However, the applicant has requested a 30 day extension to October the 6th.

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 And with that, I can answer any questions. Any questions for Karina on this item?

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 I don't see any, Karina. Thank you. All right. I got the next item.

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 That's OK. Oh, very good. Then we'll move to for EPP2118.

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 All right. This is also a preliminary plat for another single lot for intended multifamily development.

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 This item is also being recommended for denial.

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 And they recently submitted a request for an extension that was forwarded to P&Z earlier this week.

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 Staff does not have any opposition to this request, and I can take any questions on this item.

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 Any questions, commissioners, on this item?

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 There are no questions, Karina. Thanks again.

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 That will move us to our public hearings on the agenda.

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 Our first is 5A Z2111. Invite Ron up for discussion on this item.

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 Thank you, Chair, members of commission. Give me a couple of minutes here or a couple of seconds to share my presentation.

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 That's the wrong one. Take my glasses off.

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 One second. There you go. Sorry about that.

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 Good evening. Ron Maguero, principal planner with Development Services, Chair, members of commission.

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 This item for you, for your consideration for this evening is a zoning change request for a property referred to as Dollar Flowers 380.

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 The request is for the rezoning of approximately 9.462 acres, which is being requested from R2, Residential 2, to Light Industrial Zoning District.

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 The site is generally located on the northwest intersection of East University or otherwise 380 and North Trinity Road.

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 The site is outlined here on this slide, outlined in yellow. As you can see, it's a long rectangular shape.

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 It primarily is along 380, and it was part of an annexation back in 1969.

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 Again, annexed in 1969. Prior to 2002, it was Zoned Agricultural, one of the lowest intense zoning districts.

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 In 2002, with a citywide rezoning, the property transitioned to NR2, Neighborhood Residential 2.

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 And again, in 2019, with the recent rezoning for the city, it was transitioned to R2.

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 Really just to name it from NR2 to R2, much of the dimensional standards remain the same, but again, R2.

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 The parcel is currently undeveloped. As you can see from these photos, the property again is along 380.

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 This is the intersection. The top image is the intersection of 380 and North Trinity Road.

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 There are some landscaping or trees along 380.

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 The site below, or the image below, is a photo from Fishtrap Road showing the openness of this property.

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 Now again, the subject property that we're referring to is really of the area south, or along 380.

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 The area to the north, which is owned by the property owner, is not part of this rezoning.

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 It is just the narrow lot along 380. According to the applicant-

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 Excuse me, Ron. I believe Commissioner Smith might have had a question on the slide here.

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 Yeah. Thank you, Chair.

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 Ron, on that citywide rezoning in 2002, was all of the corridor along 380 rezoned in R2?

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 Was that just blankly added in there? Because I see it further down 380 there.

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 Do you know much of the history behind that?

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 Right. So the zoning prior to 2002-

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 It was agriculture, and then it sounds like you said in the citywide rezoning in 2002, all that whole area got rezoned to R2, NR2.

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 NR2, correct.

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 Was there a thought process in taking that agricultural to NR2 in the first place?

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 No, I believe the R2 was intended for some sort of density. I think it could have been something RD5 that is.

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 However, R2 was selected primarily maybe because there were residential units in the area.

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 But I think they were just trying to find a zoning district that was more below as intense and anticipating that there may be some changes.

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 So it was more of a holding zoning for what it was?

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 That's my assumption. Again, a lot of these properties were vacant, but some of these properties were developed with residential.

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 And therefore, my understanding in the 2002 rezoning, they sort of looked at what was on the ground and chose to go with R2 in that situation.

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 And when was that LI- I'm assuming that that LI that's to the west of that property, when was that changed to LI? Do you know that?

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 2019. So 2019, there was a new set of zoning districts. It probably was either ECI or some other zoning.

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 So I guess the- so before the 2019 citywide rezoning, it was already an equivalent LI-

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 Correct.

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 You know, when it was made out, whatever the equivalent LI to the prior code, the 2002 code?

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 That's correct. It followed the transition that we had, a transitional table that identified any of these zoning districts would transition to this.

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 So LI would have been ECI or something similar in that nature.

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 I don't think you understand the question. When was that property? Because I'm assuming that property was probably R2 at some point as well.

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 When did that property become LI or the equivalency to LI, do you know?

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 I do not know. I would assume in 2002, it was some sort of industrial. But prior to that, I'm not sure what the zoning district was.

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 Okay. I'll just ask you offline. Thanks, Ron.

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 Okay.

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 Commissioner Cole.

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 Thank you, Chair. Ron, I'm looking around this piece of property here.

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 And all I see are rural homes. I mean, people across the street, swimming pools, large lots, you know, rural type setting to the north, to the east, to the south.

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 Why lot industrial around a rural area?

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 I can go, I've got that in my next slide and I can kind of explain that. Hopefully I'll address your question.

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 I'll start with the applicant's request and purpose of this. They obviously are looking to develop the site and R2 is residential.

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 They have, it's been undeveloped for some time, even since 1969. There has not been any development that is.

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 So they're looking to market this site for a non-residential use. It could have been commercial, but they chose light industrial as the zoning district.

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 We know that most likely this site will not be developed with residential being that it is along US 380, a primary arterial.

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 We know that TxDOT is planning to expand 380 to be a more higher traffic volume in terms of the classification of the roadway.

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 So this site would most likely be something of a non-residential use. So R2 probably would not be the best zoning district.

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 So that's their reasoning for going to light industrial to market for a use that is more in line of what could be developed along a primary arterial, such as 380.

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 They don't have a development or use in mind as of today, but they would like to see the site develop with something more of a light industrial nature.

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 They provided, and it's part of your backup, part of their summary during a neighborhood meeting, they provided an aerial of all of the light industrial or even higher heavy industrial uses in the area.

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 And so that is, again, their reason. So now, why is staff recommending approval? And we have our staff analysis, part of your backup.

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 But again, some of the reasons or some of the factors that we looked at was, again, what is likely going to develop on this site?

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 We know that there is a number of development proposals and activities within the area that is going to be light industrial in nature.

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 We also understand that this is a major arterial or primary arterial that will less likely be developed with residential.

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 We also know that this is a gateway into the city, and we identify some of the opportunities for a gateway type development.

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 And again, residential would less likely be that case. So I don't know if that helps answer your question.

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 I know that there are existing rural residential in the area.

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 But again, this one is along 380, a little bit different than what's located along the northern side of this property.

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 Call me skeptical.

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 We're starting to do this on West 382. It's like we're, I mean, I get the future plans, but the here and now and what you see with your eyes is totally different.

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 And I mean, you guys are trying to do this out west by Ranch Estates, I mean, intense use around Hartley Field.

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 And again, I'm looking here, man, and I see nothing but ranch, a big land and housing surrounding this whole thing.

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 And to me, a lot of industrials is kind of a bridge too far.

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 I mean, you know, I understand the future plans, but the here and now is totally different.

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 OK. But I appreciate it.

365
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 Thank you. OK. Commissioner Anderson, your button not working.

366
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 Say thanks, Ron. I'm on the same page as Commissioner Cole.

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 You said it's a gateway into our city, and I'm just not on board with having visitors driving down 380.

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 And you come into and like he said, you have residential homes on one side and then you have industrial on the other.

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 That's not what I think about when I drive through a city that I want to go visit.

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 You know, first thing you see is industrial and not Commissioner Cole say we're doing it on the West 380 and everyone try to do on East 380.

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 I would be more adept to approving something that might be a small commercial or they could put, you know, like a nice little office there or something like this.

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 But industrial, you open that up for many different things.

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 So, I mean, if they're willing to do something, maybe like commercial or something like this, I'd be more than happy to do something like that.

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 But I'm kind of with Commissioner Cole. I just don't see this being a good thing.

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 Appreciate it. And I know that the applicant will be here during the public hearing, so that might be something that can be discussed.

376
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 OK, why don't we why don't we let Ron continue with a little bit more information and then we'll get back to if there's questions.

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 So, again, no development has been proposed for the site there again, trying to just market this for a use sometime in the future.

378
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:51,400
 Part of our staff analysis, which you have in your backup, we looked at a number of zoning criteria for approval.

379
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:57,320
 Is it consistent with the future land use map? In this case, the future land use designation is rural.

380
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:02,560
 Again, we know that this area is developing. We know that there are developments that are coming from the West.

381
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:09,520
 So rural probably will not be the it's not the primary designation.

382
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:21,440
 And so part of the comprehensive plan update, we're looking at this area in other areas of the city and looking at our future land use designation that fits more in line with what's happening today.

383
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:30,760
 I'm not going to go through all of the seven, but the ones that I've highlighted are some that I want to specify or expand upon during this presentation.

384
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:38,400
 Number five, the intensity of the development in the new zone district is not expected to create significant adverse impact.

385
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:46,120
 There were two meetings held, virtual meetings, and there were four total members of the community that participated in it.

386
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:53,240
 And a lot of them really were concerned about the traffic. What would this traffic or this use generate in traffic?

387
00:42:53,240 --> 00:43:04,800
 We know that the primary access will be off of 380, so much of that impact will be along 380, which is already a busy street and will get even more busier.

388
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:14,000
 So as far as traffic, the access will be off of 380, which is, again, unlikely to generate any traffic impacts to the surrounding area.

389
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,920
 Public facility, there's currently no water or no sewer in the area or wastewater.

390
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:29,400
 The applicant, again, has stated that when this develops in the future, obviously part of their development will need to extend any of those services in those infrastructures.

391
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,320
 So that will be part of their development process.

392
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:41,440
 Again, that, again, will have to be their development will have to meet the standards that the city has established.

393
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,520
 There were notifications sent out, obviously signs were posted.

394
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:51,400
 There were two virtual meetings, website and online notices were provided.

395
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,360
 And as of this afternoon, there were only one response.

396
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:07,000
 There was one response in opposition, and that person lives off of Trinity Road and his property is just north of the site, north east of the site.

397
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:15,680
 And you can see from the image that the arrow points to the area where it is within the 200 foot buffer.

398
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:24,960
 Outside of that individual, all of the other residents, we have not received any responses, either in opposition or in favor.

399
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,120
 So again, just one response as of this afternoon.

400
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,680
 Ron, did that person give any reason for opposition or?

401
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:39,200
 No, he provided the same information I provided you all.

402
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:51,040
 I have not spoken to this person, I know in the past month I've spoken to one person and they've concurred in the same concerns that they shared the same concerns.

403
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,880
 And that is really what's the traffic going to, how's the traffic going to impact my property?

404
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:03,480
 And I'm guessing based on our conversation that that property owner lives north, probably on Fish Trap.

405
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:10,120
 He did not specify exactly, but based on his comments, it appears to be his property being along Fish Trap and

406
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,560
 his concerns were the traffic generated by this use, this future use.

407
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:23,160
 Staff recommends approval using the criteria that is in our development code.

408
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:29,000
 And as outlined in your staff report, staff recommends approval and I'll stand for further questions.

409
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,360
 >> Thanks, Ron.

410
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,320
 Commissioner Smith.

411
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,600
 >> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

412
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,560
 I won't, just for the sake of time, I won't ask you to answer it now.

413
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,880
 But in public, will you show right of way dedication that's going to be needed for

414
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,760
 TextDOT on that 380 expansion, whenever that does happen?

415
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:51,240
 And how much of that land, because it's a long, narrow parcel of land, how much of that land is going to be eaten up by it?

416
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:52,920
 Because it's already long and narrow.

417
00:45:52,920 --> 00:46:00,400
 And if there's another 25 feet of right of way there, I don't know how wide, however you want to say it.

418
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,240
 How tall, how long, I don't know how you want to look at it, Ron.

419
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:05,120
 But what's that depth?

420
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,960
 And basically, after the right of way, how much is left that's still actually developable?

421
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:10,960
 That would be helpful.

422
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,880
 >> Great, Commissioner Smith, I'll definitely follow up.

423
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,960
 I just know that they're currently in the process of designing that, but

424
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,680
 I'll see what I can find out as far as how wider that right of way will be.

425
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:21,400
 >> Okay, thank you.

426
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,280
 >> Commissioner Perot.

427
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:25,680
 >> Yeah, just a question, Ron.

428
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:34,120
 I recall some discussion a few months ago at council about how,

429
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:40,160
 I think in this context, it was gas wells in the ETJ outside of the city limits,

430
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:47,800
 would affect our development criteria for development near to that gas well within that.

431
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:54,160
 And so in this context, I guess my question is, would the transition area

432
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:59,280
 requirements that normally apply between a residential use and an LI apply in this case,

433
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,480
 even though the residential area is in the ETJ?

434
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,680
 >> Are you referring to the screening and the buffering and the separate requirements?

435
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,200
 >> Yes, yeah.

436
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:12,080
 >> Yes, the buffering and the screening for whatever use is on there, we know the use.

437
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:17,440
 But when it comes to zoning, since the property is not zoned, it would unlikely be applied.

438
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,840
 But the use for sure, there is a use standard buffering against a particular use.

439
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,560
 We will apply that standard.

440
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:29,000
 But we also have buffering and screening requirements adjacent to zoning districts,

441
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:35,840
 since that is not applicable in this case, then it would be something we will not be able to.

442
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:36,800
 Does that make sense?

443
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,800
 >> Yeah, so the requirements for the use would, buffering against the use would apply,

444
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:46,080
 but buffering against zoning districts since there aren't any zoning districts north

445
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,160
 of there would not apply.

446
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:47,640
 >> Correct.

447
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:48,240
 >> Okay, thank you.

448
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:52,960
 Any other questions for Ron?

449
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,360
 >> No, I don't see any.

450
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,000
 Thank you, Ron.

451
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:57,500
 >> Thank you.

452
00:47:57,500 --> 00:48:08,160
 >> Our next public hearing item is Z2113, and that is Mark Laird's item.

453
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,160
 Hi, Mark.

454
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:38,000
 >> Good evening, my name is Mark Laird, I'm a planner with the Development Service Department.

455
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,080
 This evening, for your reference and consideration,

456
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:48,560
 I have a request to rezone 1.372 acres from rural residential to residential one.

457
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,440
 This property is located on Miller Road, east of Mosh Ranch Road.

458
00:48:53,440 --> 00:49:00,640
 The site is currently vacant and is surrounded by rural residential, residential two and the ETJ.

459
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,960
 The property owner is requesting the rezoning to allow for a site complex

460
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,280
 to develop the property for single family use.

461
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,240
 In 2010, the city didn't annex this area.

462
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:16,280
 At the time of annexation, it received a designation of RD5X.

463
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:22,560
 With the adoption of our current code, that property transitioned to rural residential.

464
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:27,520
 The map on the right shows the request and what that looks like.

465
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:35,240
 Staff has reviewed this request, and the staff analysis is attaching your backup as exhibit two.

466
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:42,200
 Public outreach was made, sign was posted, 12 public notices were mailed out,

467
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,240
 and 13 courtesy notices were mailed.

468
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:49,040
 At this time, we haven't received no responses.

469
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:55,880
 Staff recommends approval of this request as it complies with the criteria of section 2.45(e)

470
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,000
 and 2.72(d) of the Ditten Development Code.

471
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,080
 I stand for any questions you may have.

472
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,800
 - Hey, Mark, I had a question when I looked at just the site map.

473
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:13,200
 There's a structure on the southeast or southwest corner of that property.

474
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:13,760
 What is it?

475
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:14,360
 - It's a barn.

476
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,280
 - Does it belong to the property owner, or is it?

477
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,240
 - It belongs to the property owner.

478
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:18,640
 - Okay.

479
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,880
 - When they purchased the property, they assumed it was there.

480
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,240
 - Okay, very good.

481
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:23,400
 Thank you.

482
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,400
 Any questions for Mark on this item?

483
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,480
 I do not see any.

484
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,920
 - All right, thank you very much.

485
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:38,000
 - Our next public hearing item is PD212C.

486
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,280
 That is Julie Wyatt's item.

487
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:50,600
 She's making her way down.

488
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,840
 - Hi, Julie.

489
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:54,800
 - I'm Julie Wyatt.

490
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,600
 Let me pull up my presentation.

491
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,200
 - Come on.

492
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:24,600
 All right, it does not seem to want to go into presentation mode.

493
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:39,640
 Okay, well, here we go.

494
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:42,800
 We'll improvise a bit.

495
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:43,360
 How about that?

496
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,720
 All right, good evening.

497
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,280
 I'm Julie Wyatt, Senior Planner with the City of Denton.

498
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:54,760
 And I'm presenting PD21-0002C to you tonight.

499
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,760
 Typically, we go through our whole presentation at work session

500
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,280
 and then at regular session.

501
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,560
 I thought I'd try to do a little bit abbreviated,

502
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,560
 just go through the first few slides on the project.

503
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,400
 If you have any questions, of course, we can go through the entire presentation.

504
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,240
 But if not, then we can just go through the full presentation

505
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,520
 at the regular session, if that's okay with you.

506
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:19,160
 All right, so the request before you tonight

507
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,560
 is to rezone a tract of land, about 32 acres,

508
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,240
 from mixed-use regional district to planned development district.

509
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:32,960
 The subject site is near the intersection of North Bonnie Bray Highway 77

510
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,400
 and Loop 288.

511
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,880
 It's outlined in yellow on your screen.

512
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,000
 The purpose of this PD is to facilitate the development

513
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,560
 of one of our newer residential uses we're seeing within the City of Denton.

514
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,560
 That's horizontal multifamily living.

515
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,880
 Currently, the zoning is MR district.

516
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:58,040
 So I want to let you know that regular multifamily

517
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,440
 is a permitted use within the MR district with use-specific standards.

518
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,760
 So this is a use that would typically be required by right.

519
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,600
 However, given the newness and the kind of the different structure

520
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,120
 of this horizontal multifamily living, that does require a planned development

521
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,040
 at this time within the City of Denton.

522
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:21,520
 It's not a use that we really define within our code.

523
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,160
 And I just want to talk briefly about what their proposal is,

524
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,440
 and then I'll talk about our recommendation.

525
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,480
 And then if you have any questions, we can go over those.

526
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:34,800
 So they are proposing, as I said, this horizontal multifamily living use.

527
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,240
 What that is, is it functions like a traditional multifamily use.

528
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:43,560
 It is rental dwelling units on a single lot.

529
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,280
 But these are designed a little differently than what we typically see

530
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:51,040
 in a garden-style apartment or maybe something like a mid-rise,

531
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,440
 in that they are all single-family homes or duplexes.

532
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,920
 So they're small cottages, almost designed like a compact neighborhood.

533
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:04,320
 So in this instance, they are proposing 316 single-family or duplex units.

534
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,480
 They're organized in the manner that you see on your screen.

535
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:08,960
 It's this legible grid.

536
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,840
 They do have pedestrian pathways throughout the site.

537
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:19,000
 In particular, there is a 30-foot wide, almost a linear park,

538
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,280
 that central spine that runs through that development in the center of it.

539
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:29,000
 They also are proposing amenities throughout the site.

540
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:34,200
 There is a traditional amenity center with a pool and outdoor eating areas.

541
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:40,320
 There are also sort of social spaces, plaza areas scattered throughout the development.

542
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,920
 And they're shown with the blue star.

543
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,920
 So those are scattered throughout the development.

544
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:54,920
 They also have a dog park within the proposal on the southern end of the development.

545
00:54:54,920 --> 00:55:00,840
 And then those additional pedestrian connections running east-west.

546
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,920
 And also there are north-south sidewalks within the site.

547
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:11,120
 There are three access roads or access connections to Highway 77.

548
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:16,280
 There's the main entrance in the center of the site and exit only on the southern end.

549
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:22,280
 And then just an emergency access only on the northern piece.

550
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,360
 So based upon the criteria for approval, staff is recommending approval of this request.

551
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:31,560
 I'm going to skip down to our recommendation slide, because it does comply with our -- by

552
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,000
 our analysis, it complies with the criteria in subchapter 2 of the debt and development

553
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,000
 code.

554
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:44,440
 And I'll be happy to answer any questions.

555
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,440
 >> Commissioner Smith.

556
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,400
 >> Thank you, Vice Chair.

557
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:52,680
 Julie, are these manufactured homes or are they going to be true-constructed?

558
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:57,260
 >> The elevations look very manufactured or modular.

559
00:55:57,260 --> 00:55:59,640
 >> The applicant will be here tonight.

560
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:06,600
 That wasn't -- we -- modular homes are considered to be single-family homes within this -- within

561
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,960
 our debt and development code, so we really don't differentiate between that construction

562
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:11,960
 style.

563
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,440
 But the applicant will be here tonight to maybe talk about their construction methods.

564
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,440
 But it is -- I am not aware of it being a modular type home.

565
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,760
 But they'll have additional information for you.

566
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:24,760
 >> Okay.

567
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:25,760
 Thank you.

568
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,760
 >> You bet.

569
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:28,760
 >> Commissioner Perrett.

570
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,640
 >> Thank you, Vice Chair.

571
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:36,160
 On the site layout, on the eastern side where it currently borders Bonnie Bray, does that

572
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:41,600
 take into account the proposed right-of-way change for the expansion of Bonnie Bray?

573
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:42,600
 >> It does.

574
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,100
 And that was something that we had to work through the applicant, because they initially

575
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:49,280
 wanted to connect to Bonnie Bray in that location.

576
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:56,260
 But due to the capital improvement of Bonnie Bray, that expansion of it, it will actually

577
00:56:56,260 --> 00:57:02,080
 -- the alignment will track to the south and connect to Highway 77 south of the property.

578
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,480
 Now there will be a sidewalk.

579
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,880
 So there still will be a sidewalk connection in that area.

580
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,640
 But there will not be a direct vehicular access to Bonnie Bray.

581
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:15,960
 It won't actually touch it after that roadway construction is complete.

582
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:21,760
 >> Okay, so the pedestrian access would be essentially north out of the vehicle exit

583
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,240
 area and then along the roadway on the sidewalk to the south?

584
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,240
 >> Yes, sir.

585
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,240
 >> Okay.

586
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,880
 >> And you actually bring up a good point, because that was something that we worked

587
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:29,880
 with the applicant.

588
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:35,200
 We did want those pedestrian connections, particularly to the property to the west.

589
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:40,840
 Because the adjacent zoning is MR, and then beyond that is it one of our legacy PDs that

590
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,380
 actually allows for commercial or employment-type uses.

591
00:57:44,380 --> 00:57:49,080
 And so even though there was not that direct vehicular connection to the properties to

592
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,720
 the west, we did want to make sure there was that pedestrian connection or bike connection.

593
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:58,840
 So when that does develop, if there's a Starbucks over there, those residents would be able

594
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:10,240
 to go through that gate and walk to those properties to the west.

595
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,480
 >> Any other questions for Julie?

596
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,480
 >> All right.

597
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,480
 Thank you.

598
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:14,480
 >> I do not see any.

599
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:15,480
 Thank you.

600
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:16,480
 >> Okay.

601
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,880
 Our last public hearing item is 5DZ215B.

602
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:31,320
 That is Cameron's item.

603
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:36,440
 >> Okay.

604
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:42,200
 Good evening, everyone.

605
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:52,720
 This might look familiar to some of you, so this is Z21005B, which is the residential

606
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,680
 rezoning for 418 Robertson.

607
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,880
 So just to give you all some background, this originally went through in front of Planning

608
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,120
 and Zoning Commission on June 23rd.

609
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:09,560
 The request was for a rezoning of .326 acres from MN and R4 districts to a residential

610
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:10,960
 6 district.

611
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,720
 There was no public meeting held and one property was in favor.

612
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,480
 This was voted 6-0 to approve the rezoning.

613
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,960
 This was then presented to City Council on August 3rd with a recommendation for approval.

614
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,560
 At least three members of the City Council indicated that they were in favor of an MN

615
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:32,000
 rezoning instead of an R6 rezoning, and then other members indicated that they wanted to

616
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,120
 hear more from the neighborhood regarding the proposed development.

617
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:40,600
 So this was remanded, remanded the proposed rezoning back to the Planning and Zoning Commission,

618
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:46,040
 and then for review of a proposed MN district, as well as a neighborhood meeting.

619
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:50,200
 And then this meeting took place on Monday, August 23rd, and we had approximately 20 members

620
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,560
 of the community in attendance.

621
00:59:53,560 --> 01:00:00,280
 So now the new request is a rezoning of .326 acres from that MN and existing R4 to a mixed

622
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,440
 use neighborhood district.

623
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:07,640
 The property has been vacant since 1984, and during the community meeting we did discover

624
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:14,040
 that this used to be the home to the first black-owned service station in Denton.

625
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:19,280
 So this just shows that zoning map from 2002 to our current zoning map, which shows that

626
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:25,580
 as that MN/R4 and then as the MN district.

627
01:00:25,580 --> 01:00:31,240
 So just to kind of go through, as you see, we have our zoning criterion for approval.

628
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,400
 I'm going to be focusing on the Denton plant 2030.

629
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,140
 So the site is designated low residential.

630
01:00:37,140 --> 01:00:41,320
 So it does allow for new development up to four dwelling units per acre.

631
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,040
 So the MN typically is not consistent with our future land use development.

632
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,880
 However, it does continue that existing zoning pattern that I showed on the previous slides.

633
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:54,040
 It does permit a variety of lower intensity housing types and provides that opportunity

634
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,220
 to create a neighborhood serving retail in the future.

635
01:00:57,220 --> 01:01:00,840
 So currently it is surrounded by Fredmore Park, Fredmore High School, and the Child Care

636
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,480
 Center, as well as Clarice Kitchen.

637
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,400
 It also serves as that transition area between the low residential area to the south and

638
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,220
 that downtown compatibility area just to the north.

639
01:01:11,220 --> 01:01:15,440
 And it does serve our overall goal to promote a compact development pattern through infill

640
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,160
 development.

641
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:23,140
 In terms of the MN is consistent with some of the surrounding zoning and development pattern,

642
01:01:23,140 --> 01:01:27,160
 our existing land use pattern along Robertson Street is mixed use.

643
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:31,120
 The infill development, as I stated, would provide a variety of housing options and serve

644
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,560
 as that transition between the north and the south.

645
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:40,840
 And currently we do have two duplexes and two fourplexes currently located within 650

646
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,040
 feet or less of the subject property, as you can see the map highlighted in blue.

647
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:50,080
 There is no direct vehicular connection to the neighborhood to the south, and the development

648
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,560
 would be required to conform with our current site design standards, including screening

649
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,000
 and landscaping.

650
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,760
 In terms of transportation, there would be two total morning peak hour trips and four

651
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,560
 evening peak hour trips.

652
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:06,160
 It would generate approximately one elementary student.

653
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:11,640
 In terms of parks, like I stated, is located approximately 0.4 miles from Fredmore Park.

654
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:16,160
 It does have public water and wastewater services available to it and is approximately 0.6 miles

655
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,860
 from the central fire station.

656
01:02:19,860 --> 01:02:23,320
 We did have public outreach newspaper ad on the 22nd.

657
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,360
 Property posted on August 18th.

658
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,400
 We did have the neighborhood meeting on August 23rd.

659
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:33,480
 And we did have one in favor as you can see on our map here at 521 Robertson Street.

660
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,280
 And staff recommends approval for the request to rezoning.

661
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,200
 And I'm free to take any questions.

662
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:40,400
 Thank you, Cameron.

663
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:41,400
 Commissioner Smith.

664
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:42,400
 Thank you, Vice Chair.

665
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,400
 A couple of questions on this one.

666
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,160
 The desire to go to MN versus R6.

667
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:55,080
 Is it primarily more based off the historical use of that property?

668
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,600
 It is mainly looking towards the future.

669
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:02,640
 So right now in front of just north of that property, there is vacant property.

670
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:08,360
 And then you also have the MN districts just at the intersection or northeast corner of

671
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:13,080
 the intersection of Skinner and Robertson Street and then further down near Claris Kitchen.

672
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:18,900
 So yes, in the past, it was a service station and it has been vacant since the 1980s.

673
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:22,960
 But I think the community is looking towards the future and wanting to have that option

674
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,520
 if they were to do a mixed use neighborhood retail development.

675
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:32,480
 But the applicant, if I remember this project correctly, the applicant was going to develop

676
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,920
 a fourplex or a fiveplex or something like that, correct?

677
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:45,080
 So the use of it right now as being put forward by the applicant is to build a fiveplex or

678
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,400
 fourplex on that property and not do a mixed use.

679
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:49,400
 Correct.

680
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:55,040
 What was the applicant's opinion on this after it being remanded back to our commission?

681
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:59,280
 So once speaking with the neighborhood, I think they understood as to what the neighborhood

682
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:04,780
 was looking for with keeping this MN and designating the entire property to MN.

683
01:04:04,780 --> 01:04:10,840
 In terms of having that opportunity in the future, say they build the fourplex 20 years

684
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:15,220
 from now, they want to tear it down, they want to have that mixed use opportunity to

685
01:04:15,220 --> 01:04:23,080
 build low scale commercial that people can walk to, people can walk from their park.

686
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:27,120
 But the applicant was -- they were totally fine with it.

687
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,040
 They saw what the community was looking for.

688
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:36,080
 And the fact that they're still able to build the fourplex under that MN, there was no concern

689
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:40,480
 to them just switching that from the R6 to the MN because they're able to still do that.

690
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:41,480
 Yeah.

691
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:42,480
 Okay.

692
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:47,480
 I'll say the rest of my comments for public.

693
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:48,480
 Thank you.

694
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:56,360
 I'm a little bit confused on this one because, I mean, you keep saying the community wants

695
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:57,360
 the MN.

696
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:04,240
 But, I mean, it was really city council that kind of, I guess, forced that issue or were

697
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:05,840
 there people in that public hearing?

698
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,000
 I'm confused at how that came about.

699
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,000
 Right.

700
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,000
 Yeah.

701
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,400
 So if you could clarify that, that'd be really great.

702
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:13,400
 Of course.

703
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:14,400
 No problem.

704
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,760
 So once it went to city council, as I stated, there was no public meeting initially held

705
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,880
 due to some circumstances with the applicant.

706
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:27,480
 So when it went to city council, that was one of their main concerns is that the neighborhood

707
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:32,400
 had no opportunity to speak regarding this rezoning.

708
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,000
 They wanted to have that opportunity.

709
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:42,260
 And when it was discussed what uses could be applied within the R6 versus MN, some members

710
01:05:42,260 --> 01:05:50,400
 of council felt that the MN allowed the neighborhood to do that residential if they wanted to do

711
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:55,280
 that, but also do that commercial development in the future if that's what they chose to

712
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:56,440
 do.

713
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:02,320
 And they also felt that it didn't really deter from our future land use in terms of it was

714
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,120
 a transition area.

715
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:09,440
 So staff went back, as I briefly showed in my presentation, and obviously I'll go into

716
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:17,600
 more detail in the public hearing, how, yes, it's not necessarily consistent, but it does

717
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,600
 allow for that transition with that downtown compatibility and that kind of mixed use that

718
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,080
 we have to the north.

719
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:28,680
 And what's currently existing on Robertson Street in terms of mixed use, we do have churches,

720
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:33,000
 we do have Clara's Kitchen, we do have the school just to the south.

721
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:42,560
 So it's not totally off the books, I guess it would be just to continue more of that

722
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,000
 mixed use along the street in the corridor.

723
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,000
 Okay.

724
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,680
 That doesn't exactly answer my concern.

725
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,160
 So you were at the neighborhood meeting.

726
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:53,160
 Yes, I was.

727
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:58,880
 I mean, but wasn't it billed and the signage even and the way we have it posted, it talks

728
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,520
 about building a duplex or at least some type of residential.

729
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:03,520
 Yes.

730
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,880
 So other uses were discussed at this neighborhood meeting?

731
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:11,440
 No, mainly, it was more of a clarification at the neighborhood meeting.

732
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:16,960
 It was more of the applicant discussing, because there had been confusion of what was being

733
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:25,080
 proposed and what was being done and the applicant was more so there to explain, no, we're not

734
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,320
 coming here to develop multiple properties.

735
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:34,880
 We're here just to build a four complex and provide the rental rates, the time of construction,

736
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:41,480
 how long that would take, kind of that just basic information just to let the community

737
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:46,480
 know that they were listening and also just not coming in and doing whatever they wanted.

738
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:47,480
 Well, right.

739
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,720
 But I mean, you know, the development doesn't go with the zoning.

740
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:56,160
 So I mean, now it's back to us as an MN zoning, which really kind of changes certainly the

741
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:57,520
 way I look at it.

742
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:03,360
 So that's, yeah, I'll leave it more for the rest of the public meeting at that point,

743
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,440
 but I'm definitely still confused at how we got to this point.

744
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,800
 But anyway, any other questions?

745
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:10,800
 Okay.

746
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:11,800
 Thank you.

747
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,440
 I do not see any.

748
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:14,440
 Thank you.

749
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:15,440
 Okay.

750
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:19,240
 I think that concludes the agenda and therefore our work session.

751
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:24,360
 I'll adjourn us at 6.11 p.m. and we will come back here for our public meeting at 6.30.

752
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:38,960
 Good evening and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for

753
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:43,120
 Wednesday, September 8th, 2021.

754
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:48,740
 With a quorum present, I will call our regular meeting to order at 6.37 p.m.

755
01:08:48,740 --> 01:08:57,880
 Our first agenda item is the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas Flags.

756
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:19,460
 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

757
01:09:19,460 --> 01:09:24,860
 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

758
01:09:24,860 --> 01:09:25,860
 Honor the Texas flag.

759
01:09:25,860 --> 01:09:26,860
 I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state, under God, one indivisible.

760
01:09:26,860 --> 01:09:27,860
 Thank you.

761
01:09:27,860 --> 01:09:32,900
 Our second agenda item is consider approval of planning and zoning minutes for August

762
01:09:32,900 --> 01:09:35,900
 18th, 2021.

763
01:09:35,900 --> 01:09:38,900
 Commissioner Smith.

764
01:09:38,900 --> 01:09:41,700
 Some motion on the floor to approve the minutes.

765
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:42,700
 Commissioner Anderson.

766
01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:43,700
 I second.

767
01:09:43,700 --> 01:09:44,700
 Okay.

768
01:09:44,700 --> 01:09:47,940
 We've got a first and a second for approval of the minutes for August 18th.

769
01:09:47,940 --> 01:09:50,500
 Any discussion?

770
01:09:50,500 --> 01:09:58,620
 Let's take a vote on the board.

771
01:09:58,620 --> 01:10:01,620
 That motion passes 7-0.

772
01:10:01,620 --> 01:10:06,340
 That will move us to our consent agenda.

773
01:10:06,340 --> 01:10:07,340
 Commissioner Smith.

774
01:10:07,340 --> 01:10:09,340
 Make a motion to approve.

775
01:10:09,340 --> 01:10:10,500
 We have a first.

776
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:11,500
 Commissioner Cole.

777
01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:12,500
 Second.

778
01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:16,100
 We have a first and a second to approve the consent agenda.

779
01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:18,500
 Any discussion?

780
01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:19,500
 Seeing none.

781
01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:25,980
 On the board, please.

782
01:10:25,980 --> 01:10:28,600
 That motion carries 7-0.

783
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:34,420
 That moves us to agenda item four, our items for individual consideration.

784
01:10:34,420 --> 01:10:38,980
 For A is the election of chair and vice chair.

785
01:10:38,980 --> 01:10:40,840
 Any nominations for chair?

786
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:41,840
 Commissioner Smith.

787
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,220
 Make a motion to nominate Margie Ellis as chair.

788
01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:46,940
 Well thank you, Commissioner Smith.

789
01:10:46,940 --> 01:10:47,940
 Commissioner Cole.

790
01:10:47,940 --> 01:10:48,940
 Second.

791
01:10:48,940 --> 01:10:51,020
 Thank you, Commissioner Cole.

792
01:10:51,020 --> 01:10:56,540
 Any other nominations or discussion?

793
01:10:56,540 --> 01:11:04,420
 Well with that, I will say thank you and let's vote on the board.

794
01:11:04,420 --> 01:11:07,340
 And that passes 7-0.

795
01:11:07,340 --> 01:11:10,020
 Nominations for vice chair.

796
01:11:10,020 --> 01:11:11,020
 Commissioner Villarreal.

797
01:11:11,020 --> 01:11:15,700
 I move to nominate Commissioner Smith for vice chair.

798
01:11:15,700 --> 01:11:16,700
 Commissioner Perrett.

799
01:11:16,700 --> 01:11:17,860
 I second.

800
01:11:17,860 --> 01:11:22,740
 We've got a first and a second to nominate Commissioner Smith as vice chair.

801
01:11:22,740 --> 01:11:24,940
 Any discussion?

802
01:11:24,940 --> 01:11:30,440
 Let's take a vote on the board, please.

803
01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:32,340
 Motion carries 7-0.

804
01:11:32,340 --> 01:11:34,060
 Thank you.

805
01:11:34,060 --> 01:11:37,620
 Welcome vice chair Smith.

806
01:11:37,620 --> 01:11:44,020
 Our next item is for B, PP210012B.

807
01:11:44,020 --> 01:11:50,220
 We'll welcome Haley and Sean for presentation.

808
01:11:50,220 --> 01:12:05,740
 This is preliminary plaque 2112, this is order logistics 35 edition, this property is located

809
01:12:05,740 --> 01:12:09,100
 on the south side of the I-35 frontage road just north of the Acme brick facility.

810
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:12,940
 Since the posting of the agenda, all staff comments have been resolved and we are now

811
01:12:12,940 --> 01:12:15,040
 recommending approval of this preliminary plaque.

812
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,340
 I'm happy to answer any questions.

813
01:12:17,340 --> 01:12:19,620
 Thank you, Haley.

814
01:12:19,620 --> 01:12:25,260
 Are there any questions on this item?

815
01:12:25,260 --> 01:12:26,260
 Commissioner Smith.

816
01:12:26,260 --> 01:12:29,360
 Make a motion to approve.

817
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:30,620
 And Commissioner Cole.

818
01:12:30,620 --> 01:12:31,620
 Second.

819
01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:36,540
 Okay, we've got a first and a second for item 4B.

820
01:12:36,540 --> 01:12:39,140
 Any discussion?

821
01:12:39,140 --> 01:12:54,900
 Seeing none, let's vote on the board, please.

822
01:12:54,900 --> 01:12:56,740
 That motion carries 7-0.

823
01:12:56,740 --> 01:13:02,540
 That will move us to 4C, PP210016.

824
01:13:02,540 --> 01:13:04,740
 That is Sean Jacobson's item.

825
01:13:04,740 --> 01:13:12,480
 Sorry, just having a moment here with technology, one second.

826
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:17,540
 It gets the best of us, Sean.

827
01:13:17,540 --> 01:13:19,580
 All right.

828
01:13:19,580 --> 01:13:20,580
 Okay.

829
01:13:20,580 --> 01:13:29,940
 Yes, so this is preliminary plaque PP2116 and staff is recommending denial as it does

830
01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:34,620
 not meet the established criteria for approval, but staff has no objection to request extension

831
01:13:34,620 --> 01:13:41,740
 to the September 22nd, 2021 PMT meeting.

832
01:13:41,740 --> 01:13:45,420
 Any questions on this item?

833
01:13:45,420 --> 01:13:52,220
 The applicant is requesting an extension to a date certain of September 22nd.

834
01:13:52,220 --> 01:13:53,220
 Commissioner Smith.

835
01:13:53,220 --> 01:13:58,380
 Make a motion to approve the extension of date certain to September 22nd, 2021.

836
01:13:58,380 --> 01:13:59,380
 Commissioner Pruitt.

837
01:13:59,380 --> 01:14:00,380
 Second.

838
01:14:00,380 --> 01:14:04,500
 Okay, we have a first and a second to approve that extension request.

839
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:06,800
 Any discussion?

840
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:14,860
 Seeing none, let's call for a vote on the board, please.

841
01:14:14,860 --> 01:14:16,900
 That motion carries 7-0.

842
01:14:16,900 --> 01:14:21,740
 That will take us to 4D, PP210017.

843
01:14:21,740 --> 01:14:28,620
 That is Karina's item and I believe she's joining us via phone.

844
01:14:28,620 --> 01:14:34,660
 Hi, Karina.

845
01:14:34,660 --> 01:14:45,180
 Karina, are you there?

846
01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:46,180
 Can you hear me now?

847
01:14:46,180 --> 01:14:47,180
 Yes, we can.

848
01:14:47,180 --> 01:14:48,180
 Hi.

849
01:14:48,180 --> 01:14:49,180
 I apologize for that.

850
01:14:49,180 --> 01:14:54,180
 We have to hit a couple buttons before we unmute.

851
01:14:54,180 --> 01:14:56,700
 Good evening, Karina Maldonado, Associate Planner.

852
01:14:56,700 --> 01:15:03,820
 The item before you is a preliminary flat for a 9.92-acre property generally located

853
01:15:03,820 --> 01:15:09,500
 on the east side of South Loop 288, approximately 300 feet south of East McKinney Street.

854
01:15:09,500 --> 01:15:16,460
 This is a preliminary flat to create one lot of record intended for a multifamily development.

855
01:15:16,460 --> 01:15:20,420
 Staff is recommending denial as it does not meet the established criteria.

856
01:15:20,420 --> 01:15:26,060
 However, the applicant has requested a 30-day extension to allow additional time to address

857
01:15:26,060 --> 01:15:27,140
 those comments.

858
01:15:27,140 --> 01:15:33,260
 The staff does not have any issues with the request for the extension to October 6th, and

859
01:15:33,260 --> 01:15:37,020
 with that, I can take any questions.

860
01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:41,620
 Any questions for Karina on this item?

861
01:15:41,620 --> 01:15:47,740
 The applicant has requested an extension to a date certain of October 6th.

862
01:15:47,740 --> 01:15:48,740
 Commissioner Smith?

863
01:15:48,740 --> 01:15:53,540
 I make a motion to approve the extension to date certain of October 6th, 2021.

864
01:15:53,540 --> 01:15:54,540
 Commissioner Cole?

865
01:15:54,540 --> 01:15:55,540
 Second.

866
01:15:55,540 --> 01:15:58,900
 We've got a first and a second to approve that extension request.

867
01:15:58,900 --> 01:16:01,620
 Any discussion?

868
01:16:01,620 --> 01:16:08,660
 Seeing none, I'll call for a vote, please.

869
01:16:08,660 --> 01:16:11,460
 Motion carries 7-0.

870
01:16:11,460 --> 01:16:17,060
 That will move us to 4-E, PP21-0018.

871
01:16:17,060 --> 01:16:20,500
 That is also Karina's item.

872
01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:23,500
 The floor is yours, Karina.

873
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:24,500
 Thank you.

874
01:16:24,500 --> 01:16:29,740
 This is a preliminary plat for legacy multifamily denton.

875
01:16:29,740 --> 01:16:36,740
 This is located on the south side of East McKinney Street, approximately 530 feet east

876
01:16:36,740 --> 01:16:40,180
 of the intersection of Mayhill Road and East McKinney.

877
01:16:40,180 --> 01:16:46,100
 The preliminary plat is also for one lot of record for a multifamily development.

878
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:52,060
 A specific use permit to allow multifamily on this site was approved earlier this year.

879
01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:58,420
 The applicant is requesting a one-time 30-day extension to October 6th, and staff does not

880
01:16:58,420 --> 01:17:00,660
 have any opposition to this request.

881
01:17:00,660 --> 01:17:05,140
 I can take any questions from here.

882
01:17:05,140 --> 01:17:08,860
 Any questions for Karina on this item?

883
01:17:08,860 --> 01:17:14,940
 The applicant has a request for an extension to October 6th.

884
01:17:14,940 --> 01:17:15,940
 Commissioner Smith?

885
01:17:15,940 --> 01:17:19,420
 I make a motion to approve the extension to October 6th, 2021.

886
01:17:19,420 --> 01:17:20,420
 Commissioner Pruitt?

887
01:17:20,420 --> 01:17:21,420
 Second.

888
01:17:21,420 --> 01:17:25,980
 Got a first and a second to approve the extension request.

889
01:17:25,980 --> 01:17:26,980
 Any discussion?

890
01:17:26,980 --> 01:17:34,100
 Let's call for a vote on the board, please.

891
01:17:34,100 --> 01:17:36,380
 Motion carries 7-0.

892
01:17:36,380 --> 01:17:41,100
 That will take us to our public hearing section for this evening.

893
01:17:41,100 --> 01:17:46,900
 5A is Z21-0011.

894
01:17:46,900 --> 01:17:51,660
 I will call up Ron Mangitta for presentation and open the public hearing.

895
01:17:51,660 --> 01:17:55,300
 Thank you, Chair, members of the commission, Ron Mangitta, principal planner with Development

896
01:17:55,300 --> 01:17:56,300
 Services.

897
01:17:56,300 --> 01:18:17,980
 I will share my presentation.

898
01:18:17,980 --> 01:18:22,700
 Tonight for your consideration is a request for rezoning for a property approximately

899
01:18:22,700 --> 01:18:26,060
 9.462 acres.

900
01:18:26,060 --> 01:18:32,380
 From Residential 2 to Light Industrial LI Zoning District, the property is generally

901
01:18:32,380 --> 01:18:38,780
 located on the northwest intersection of East University, otherwise known as US 380 and

902
01:18:38,780 --> 01:18:40,500
 North Trinity Road.

903
01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:47,780
 The subject site is identified here on the screen, outlined here in yellow.

904
01:18:47,780 --> 01:18:55,060
 The property was annexed in 1969 as part of a city initiative to annex property along

905
01:18:55,060 --> 01:19:01,460
 US 380, and you can see that the area that were annexed extends further east.

906
01:19:01,460 --> 01:19:08,780
 Prior to 2002, the subject site was Zoned Agriculture, one of the lowest zoning district

907
01:19:08,780 --> 01:19:14,220
 at the time, and that typically was assigned to properties that were recently annexed.

908
01:19:14,220 --> 01:19:21,500
 In 2002, part of a citywide rezoning, the property transitioned to NR2, Neighborhood

909
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:25,220
 Residential 2 Zoning District.

910
01:19:25,220 --> 01:19:36,340
 The 2019 rezoning update transitioned this site from NR2 to R2, consistent with the R2

911
01:19:36,340 --> 01:19:38,340
 in development standards.

912
01:19:38,340 --> 01:19:43,500
 Just the renaming of the zoning district is what happened in 2019.

913
01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:49,740
 The parcel that we're discussing tonight is currently undeveloped.

914
01:19:49,740 --> 01:19:55,820
 The property owner owns the property not only in the city but also to the north that is

915
01:19:55,820 --> 01:19:58,980
 currently in the county.

916
01:19:58,980 --> 01:20:04,740
 The property owner intends to, the purpose and reason for what they provided in their

917
01:20:04,740 --> 01:20:12,340
 narrative is to market this site to develop, so they're looking for the rezoning to do

918
01:20:12,340 --> 01:20:13,340
 so.

919
01:20:13,340 --> 01:20:17,900
 They are looking again to zone the property at LI for a property that could potentially,

920
01:20:17,900 --> 01:20:21,220
 or a development that could possibly be a light industrial use.

921
01:20:21,220 --> 01:20:26,980
 At this time, they don't have a development or use proposed at this time, however, again,

922
01:20:26,980 --> 01:20:35,940
 they're looking at marketing this for a use that is not currently residential.

923
01:20:35,940 --> 01:20:40,520
 I wanted to just share this illustration or this slide here to illustrate that there is

924
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,900
 a zoning district of LI to the west of the subject site.

925
01:20:43,900 --> 01:20:48,220
 The subject site is generally here in this area right here.

926
01:20:48,220 --> 01:20:53,980
 Not only do we see development activity to the north of 380, that is a light industrial

927
01:20:53,980 --> 01:20:59,740
 nature, but we are also seeing them being developed or proposed along the southern portion

928
01:20:59,740 --> 01:21:03,500
 of 380, again, in this general area here.

929
01:21:03,500 --> 01:21:10,060
 As such, the extension or growth of light industrial to the east is something that we

930
01:21:10,060 --> 01:21:15,100
 considered in our staff analysis.

931
01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:19,980
 Part of that staff analysis, we looked at the seven zoning criteria for approval that

932
01:21:19,980 --> 01:21:20,980
 you see here.

933
01:21:20,980 --> 01:21:23,740
 I won't go through all of them.

934
01:21:23,740 --> 01:21:27,860
 All of them are in your backup, but I really wanted to focus on the three that it's highlighted

935
01:21:27,860 --> 01:21:29,740
 here on this slide.

936
01:21:29,740 --> 01:21:34,780
 The proposed zoning is consistent with the future land use map designation.

937
01:21:34,780 --> 01:21:36,300
 In this case, it is not.

938
01:21:36,300 --> 01:21:42,460
 The future land use designation for this area is rural areas, and again, this was done back

939
01:21:42,460 --> 01:21:43,460
 in 2015.

940
01:21:43,460 --> 01:21:47,740
 However, now with the development activity in this area, we see that this area is going

941
01:21:47,740 --> 01:21:55,220
 to be more than rural, and again, not only does it is inconsistent, however, there are

942
01:21:55,220 --> 01:22:02,040
 some parts of the comprehensive plan where it is consistent in terms of goals and policies.

943
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:06,380
 Number five, the intensity of development in the zoning district is not expected to create

944
01:22:06,380 --> 01:22:09,020
 significant adverse impact.

945
01:22:09,020 --> 01:22:13,860
 One of the things that we look at is the traffic that's generated in this area.

946
01:22:13,860 --> 01:22:16,620
 We know that 380 is a primary arterial.

947
01:22:16,620 --> 01:22:24,400
 It is in TxDOT's plans to widen this roadway to be more of, I want to say, a free or higher

948
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,260
 volume roadway.

949
01:22:26,260 --> 01:22:33,620
 Therefore, any traffic that's generated by a future use would be able to, US3A would

950
01:22:33,620 --> 01:22:37,420
 be able to accommodate that additional traffic.

951
01:22:37,420 --> 01:22:42,980
 Public facilities and services available in this area to serve the subject property, there

952
01:22:42,980 --> 01:22:47,900
 is currently no public services in terms of water or wastewater.

953
01:22:47,900 --> 01:22:53,660
 The applicant and the owner understands that any development that occurs, they would need

954
01:22:53,660 --> 01:22:56,340
 to extend water and wastewater.

955
01:22:56,340 --> 01:23:03,540
 There is water to the west along 380, as well as wastewater further west, but again, in

956
01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:07,220
 this vicinity, there is none.

957
01:23:07,220 --> 01:23:12,780
 However, again, any development that they propose, they will need to extend and pay

958
01:23:12,780 --> 01:23:18,460
 all the impact fees as related part of their development.

959
01:23:18,460 --> 01:23:23,620
 Notifications were sent out for this rezoning request.

960
01:23:23,620 --> 01:23:24,620
 Plans were posted.

961
01:23:24,620 --> 01:23:29,500
 Two virtual meetings were held on July 28th.

962
01:23:29,500 --> 01:23:36,260
 During those neighborhood meetings, there were a total of four individuals that participated.

963
01:23:36,260 --> 01:23:41,500
 To summarize some of their concerns or their comments, traffic was one, and then the other

964
01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:46,340
 was just really the use and the screening of it to their properties.

965
01:23:46,340 --> 01:23:51,840
 My guesstimate of their properties would be north of the subject site, so along Fishtrap

966
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,020
 and other properties to the north.

967
01:23:55,020 --> 01:24:03,300
 We also posted on the city's website and also newspaper notices were sent out or published.

968
01:24:03,300 --> 01:24:08,140
 Mailed out were notices to property notes within 200 feet, 18 in total, and then also

969
01:24:08,140 --> 01:24:13,660
 postcards or courtesy notices were mailed out to properties within 500 feet, 27 were

970
01:24:13,660 --> 01:24:14,920
 sent out.

971
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:21,300
 As of this afternoon, staff has only received one response, and that response is in opposition.

972
01:24:21,300 --> 01:24:26,860
 And a copy of that response has been provided to the commission.

973
01:24:26,860 --> 01:24:32,740
 With the staff analysis, staff recommends approval as it complies with the sections

974
01:24:32,740 --> 01:24:44,140
 that's listed here, 2.4.5E as well as section 2.7.2.D.

975
01:24:44,140 --> 01:24:46,100
 With that, that concludes my presentation.

976
01:24:46,100 --> 01:24:52,220
 I'll stand for any questions, and the applicant's representative is also present and can answer

977
01:24:52,220 --> 01:24:53,220
 any question.

978
01:24:53,220 --> 01:24:58,660
 I also believe that there is a presentation that they have, so again, just to let you

979
01:24:58,660 --> 01:24:59,660
 all know.

980
01:24:59,660 --> 01:25:01,820
 Thank you, Ron.

981
01:25:01,820 --> 01:25:03,580
 Commissioner Smith does have a question for you.

982
01:25:03,580 --> 01:25:04,580
 Thank you, Chair.

983
01:25:04,580 --> 01:25:08,100
 Ron, were the properties in the ETJ, did they get those notices too?

984
01:25:08,100 --> 01:25:09,100
 Did we change that?

985
01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:10,580
 No, they do not get notices.

986
01:25:10,580 --> 01:25:12,180
 They're just properties within the city of Dunn.

987
01:25:12,180 --> 01:25:13,180
 Gotcha.

988
01:25:13,180 --> 01:25:14,180
 That's what I thought.

989
01:25:14,180 --> 01:25:15,180
 I thought we were trying to get that.

990
01:25:15,180 --> 01:25:16,180
 That's correct.

991
01:25:16,180 --> 01:25:17,180
 Thanks.

992
01:25:17,180 --> 01:25:19,780
 Just to add that the signs were posted, and then we did get some calls.

993
01:25:19,780 --> 01:25:20,780
 Gotcha.

994
01:25:20,780 --> 01:25:24,100
 Ron, did you attend the neighborhood meetings at all?

995
01:25:24,100 --> 01:25:25,100
 I'm sorry?

996
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:26,860
 Did you attend the virtual meetings?

997
01:25:26,860 --> 01:25:27,860
 Yes.

998
01:25:27,860 --> 01:25:31,420
 So, was there any discussion or concern on uses?

999
01:25:31,420 --> 01:25:34,580
 Was that discussed with the neighborhoods?

1000
01:25:34,580 --> 01:25:37,220
 Yeah, there were some concerns with use.

1001
01:25:37,220 --> 01:25:40,260
 Obviously, there is not one proposed, so they weren't sure what it is.

1002
01:25:40,260 --> 01:25:43,700
 So I think that was really their concern is really what the use is and then how it would

1003
01:25:43,700 --> 01:25:47,740
 be screened, like anybody that, you know, obviously sees development, they would want

1004
01:25:47,740 --> 01:25:48,740
 to have some screening.

1005
01:25:48,740 --> 01:25:53,260
 So generally, yes, there was discussion on what type of use and what type of screening

1006
01:25:53,260 --> 01:25:54,260
 would be provided.

1007
01:25:54,260 --> 01:25:55,260
 Okay.

1008
01:25:55,260 --> 01:26:01,300
 I did feel, excuse me, Commissioner, I did feel to mention that I did have some responses

1009
01:26:01,300 --> 01:26:04,220
 to some of the questions during work session.

1010
01:26:04,220 --> 01:26:12,260
 One, the widening of 380, the text-dot widening is going to occur, however, it is really in

1011
01:26:12,260 --> 01:26:14,220
 the feasibility stage right now.

1012
01:26:14,220 --> 01:26:17,940
 And we know that there's going to be some additional right of way required, but we don't

1013
01:26:17,940 --> 01:26:20,020
 know exactly how much.

1014
01:26:20,020 --> 01:26:21,380
 So that is just one of the questions.

1015
01:26:21,380 --> 01:26:26,860
 The other question is related to the zoning to the west and how the LI zoning district

1016
01:26:26,860 --> 01:26:34,140
 was generated back in 2002 when they rezoned the citywide area.

1017
01:26:34,140 --> 01:26:41,020
 Prior to the 2002, it was agriculture, similar to what this was prior to as well.

1018
01:26:41,020 --> 01:26:47,080
 And at that time, I believe that they chose the ECI, the Employment Center Industrial

1019
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:53,500
 Zoning District, as a means of potentially seeing that area grow industrial because there

1020
01:26:53,500 --> 01:26:58,700
 are industrial uses to the west and generally zone industrial as well.

1021
01:26:58,700 --> 01:27:04,940
 So that is my understanding and how they got there is really based on the possibility or

1022
01:27:04,940 --> 01:27:12,380
 the assumption that there was industrial uses already to the west of that subject property.

1023
01:27:12,380 --> 01:27:13,580
 Thanks for that, Ron.

1024
01:27:13,580 --> 01:27:14,580
 Commissioner Smith?

1025
01:27:14,580 --> 01:27:16,620
 Thank you, Chair.

1026
01:27:16,620 --> 01:27:22,360
 I haven't seen these sort of strict annexations recently.

1027
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:30,420
 Can you explain what the reasoning for doing that is and what the vision is typically when

1028
01:27:30,420 --> 01:27:31,500
 a city undergoes that?

1029
01:27:31,500 --> 01:27:34,420
 I think this was quite a while when that annexation happened.

1030
01:27:34,420 --> 01:27:39,820
 In 1969, it was this one, and there were similar ones in other parts of the city, Fort Worth

1031
01:27:39,820 --> 01:27:45,220
 Drive, even 35 to the north, you see these strict annexations.

1032
01:27:45,220 --> 01:27:50,240
 And really, the purpose there is to extend our ETJ boundaries.

1033
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:55,740
 So as the city grows north or east, west, wherever it may be, so does the ETJ boundary.

1034
01:27:55,740 --> 01:28:02,580
 And again, that's sort of what happens in those situations.

1035
01:28:02,580 --> 01:28:04,580
 Any other questions for Ron?

1036
01:28:04,580 --> 01:28:05,580
 Okay.

1037
01:28:05,580 --> 01:28:06,580
 Thanks, Ron.

1038
01:28:06,580 --> 01:28:15,540
 I do have a couple of cards here, so I'll invite the applicant up for her presentation.

1039
01:28:15,540 --> 01:28:17,860
 Hi, Amy.

1040
01:28:17,860 --> 01:28:19,300
 Hello.

1041
01:28:19,300 --> 01:28:20,300
 Good evening, commissioners.

1042
01:28:20,300 --> 01:28:26,540
 My name's Amy Bissett with 97 Land Company, 100 West Oak Denton, 76201.

1043
01:28:26,540 --> 01:28:32,220
 I do have a very brief presentation to give, but I want to start by saying that I did watch

1044
01:28:32,220 --> 01:28:38,860
 the work session and would like, will attempt throughout the course of the presentation

1045
01:28:38,860 --> 01:28:42,340
 to answer the questions that I heard.

1046
01:28:42,340 --> 01:28:43,340
 Okay.

1047
01:28:43,340 --> 01:28:46,980
 I'll let you do it.

1048
01:28:46,980 --> 01:28:49,260
 Thank you, Ron.

1049
01:28:49,260 --> 01:29:09,860
 All right, so I do want to address the questions that I heard in work session and the concerns

1050
01:29:09,860 --> 01:29:13,960
 that I heard in work session and maybe provide a little bit of color on the conversations

1051
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:20,140
 that we have had with the neighborhoods, our neighborhood meetings, and talk about options

1052
01:29:20,140 --> 01:29:21,140
 from here.

1053
01:29:21,140 --> 01:29:26,780
 So I do want to reiterate what Ron said earlier in his presentation that this is a strip that

1054
01:29:26,780 --> 01:29:29,780
 was annexed in 1969.

1055
01:29:29,780 --> 01:29:31,260
 It was annexed at the time.

1056
01:29:31,260 --> 01:29:40,220
 It was an agricultural zoning and has been rezoned twice in citywide zonings, remaining

1057
01:29:40,220 --> 01:29:44,180
 low density residential.

1058
01:29:44,180 --> 01:29:48,540
 The pattern of development in this area is really why we chose the LI Zoning District

1059
01:29:48,540 --> 01:29:49,540
 as our request.

1060
01:29:49,540 --> 01:29:53,020
 I want to start by addressing that to some extent, and then I'm going to continue to

1061
01:29:53,020 --> 01:29:56,680
 answer that question as I move through the presentation.

1062
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:01,900
 So as you all know, I represent multiple projects in the City of Denton, and I have two others

1063
01:30:01,900 --> 01:30:07,820
 along this corridor, one of which you'll see in a couple of weeks, all of which are light,

1064
01:30:07,820 --> 01:30:09,260
 industrial, and nature.

1065
01:30:09,260 --> 01:30:14,580
 And when you do look at the whole corridor along 380, what you see is that the predominant

1066
01:30:14,580 --> 01:30:18,820
 pattern of non-residential zoning is light industrial.

1067
01:30:18,820 --> 01:30:23,980
 So when I sat with my client and we talked about the possible zoning designations, this

1068
01:30:23,980 --> 01:30:31,260
 is the one that made the most sense in terms of consistent zoning across a corridor rather

1069
01:30:31,260 --> 01:30:35,260
 than piecemealing a different zoning in here.

1070
01:30:35,260 --> 01:30:39,980
 So that was one of the main reasons that we selected light industrial.

1071
01:30:39,980 --> 01:30:46,520
 My client purchased this property with, they're a real estate company, and they purchased

1072
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:48,980
 the property for future development.

1073
01:30:48,980 --> 01:30:55,800
 It's a real estate investment for them, and obviously a low density residential zoning

1074
01:30:55,800 --> 01:31:00,620
 is not really marketable for them, and it's not necessarily appropriate along Highway

1075
01:31:00,620 --> 01:31:02,260
 380 today.

1076
01:31:02,260 --> 01:31:07,840
 And so we sat down and began to explore what is an appropriate zoning designation.

1077
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:12,320
 Their marketing intent when they purchased this property was to be as flexible as possible

1078
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:19,020
 to market it for warehousing offices or retail and pad sites, understanding the development

1079
01:31:19,020 --> 01:31:24,940
 pattern, moving through this area, and seeing that there is quite a bit of demand for warehouse

1080
01:31:24,940 --> 01:31:34,260
 type uses, specifically those that are transportation focused because of the thoroughfare nature

1081
01:31:34,260 --> 01:31:36,500
 of Highway 380.

1082
01:31:36,500 --> 01:31:40,740
 So they wanted to seek an appropriate zoning designation.

1083
01:31:40,740 --> 01:31:42,960
 We did talk about multiple ones.

1084
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:47,340
 This one seemed to be the one that fit and gave them the most flexibility in terms of

1085
01:31:47,340 --> 01:31:50,820
 being able to market the property going forward.

1086
01:31:50,820 --> 01:31:58,160
 They also intend to develop to city standards versus the county standards that do not regulate

1087
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:05,180
 use or have other design standards associated with it that are in the ETJ.

1088
01:32:05,180 --> 01:32:10,860
 So we've talked about how that might come to fruition, and we've had conversations

1089
01:32:10,860 --> 01:32:14,500
 with the neighbors about how that would come to fruition, and I want to go into a little

1090
01:32:14,500 --> 01:32:16,840
 more detail about that.

1091
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:19,220
 So we did hold two neighborhood meetings.

1092
01:32:19,220 --> 01:32:24,500
 We did actually, I believe, mail to those in the ETJ because the majority of our participants

1093
01:32:24,500 --> 01:32:28,260
 were from the ETJ, neighbors to our north.

1094
01:32:28,260 --> 01:32:33,540
 I have highlighted in green on your screen the neighbors that we have had conversations

1095
01:32:33,540 --> 01:32:35,020
 with or who have registered.

1096
01:32:35,020 --> 01:32:38,340
 There's one that's registered opposition this afternoon.

1097
01:32:38,340 --> 01:32:45,580
 So we did have two neighborhood meetings, and what we heard was that, generally speaking,

1098
01:32:45,580 --> 01:32:52,700
 they represented the single-family owners that are to our north and northeast, and their

1099
01:32:52,700 --> 01:32:56,160
 concerns were related to jurisdictional authority.

1100
01:32:56,160 --> 01:33:01,020
 If we were to develop on the county side instead of the city side, what would that mean for

1101
01:33:01,020 --> 01:33:02,020
 them?

1102
01:33:02,020 --> 01:33:03,500
 There would be no use regulations.

1103
01:33:03,500 --> 01:33:07,340
 There would be no development regulations.

1104
01:33:07,340 --> 01:33:12,620
 Anything could go there, and my client at that time committed to the neighborhood that

1105
01:33:12,620 --> 01:33:17,340
 they would take access off of 380 and not off of Trinity, which then triggers the city

1106
01:33:17,340 --> 01:33:21,740
 requirements for development regulations, even on the county side.

1107
01:33:21,740 --> 01:33:26,620
 We also heard that there was some interest or concern about the extension of water and

1108
01:33:26,620 --> 01:33:27,860
 sewer from the west.

1109
01:33:27,860 --> 01:33:31,620
 Specifically, they were concerned about who was going to pay for that.

1110
01:33:31,620 --> 01:33:37,040
 My client made it clear that if and when this property develops, it will be on them to both

1111
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:40,260
 extend those services and pay for those services.

1112
01:33:40,260 --> 01:33:44,060
 That would not be an obligation by the city.

1113
01:33:44,060 --> 01:33:51,540
 We heard about possible land uses and tenants and the concerns associated with those, and

1114
01:33:51,540 --> 01:33:57,580
 most of the uses that came up in those conversations, all of those uses that came up in those conversations,

1115
01:33:57,580 --> 01:34:04,660
 either require an SUP or they have use-specific standards that specifically protect the residential

1116
01:34:04,660 --> 01:34:06,460
 areas.

1117
01:34:06,460 --> 01:34:12,620
 Some of those would be your automotive repair-related uses where you can't leave cars parked outside,

1118
01:34:12,620 --> 01:34:18,900
 outside storage that has to be screened from view, landscaping and fencing requirements,

1119
01:34:18,900 --> 01:34:21,340
 things of that nature.

1120
01:34:21,340 --> 01:34:26,860
 Then lastly, we heard about traffic on Trinity, specifically because they are a single-family

1121
01:34:26,860 --> 01:34:29,380
 neighborhood that is north of the site.

1122
01:34:29,380 --> 01:34:35,820
 They did not want to see access taken off of Trinity for this project.

1123
01:34:35,820 --> 01:34:41,020
 I think it's obvious, but my client also committed to the neighborhood that they would take their

1124
01:34:41,020 --> 01:34:43,780
 primary access off of 380.

1125
01:34:43,780 --> 01:34:49,720
 That's obviously desirable from a marketing standpoint and development standpoint as well.

1126
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:56,060
 Trinity Road is a narrow two-lane road that really wouldn't be adequate for any sort of

1127
01:34:56,060 --> 01:35:02,460
 commercial access without some sort of improvements to it, which would be assessed at the time

1128
01:35:02,460 --> 01:35:10,220
 of platting if this did go forward.

1129
01:35:10,220 --> 01:35:16,500
 With that, I want to go back to the conversations that I heard in work session today.

1130
01:35:16,500 --> 01:35:21,060
 Commissioner Cole, I heard you say that this is surrounded by rural homes.

1131
01:35:21,060 --> 01:35:25,440
 Why light industrial?

1132
01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:28,740
 I explained why we went with light industrial to begin with.

1133
01:35:28,740 --> 01:35:33,860
 It's just the existing pattern all along that corridor, and we did not want to create an

1134
01:35:33,860 --> 01:35:36,940
 inconsistent pattern of zoning.

1135
01:35:36,940 --> 01:35:44,260
 Secondly, we did make quite a bit of effort to engage those neighbors, both on the north

1136
01:35:44,260 --> 01:35:49,380
 side and the south side of the project, to hear their concerns, address their concerns,

1137
01:35:49,380 --> 01:35:54,380
 and to get any sort of feel for opposition that we might hear from them.

1138
01:35:54,380 --> 01:35:57,380
 We heard very little.

1139
01:35:57,380 --> 01:36:04,900
 I don't know why that is, per se, but we did not hear from either the city or from the

1140
01:36:04,900 --> 01:36:09,860
 neighbors that they wanted to see a different zoning designation, and this one seemed to

1141
01:36:09,860 --> 01:36:15,780
 be the most compatible with what's already there today.

1142
01:36:15,780 --> 01:36:22,260
 Having said that, we're a few months in now, and my client has had more conversations with

1143
01:36:22,260 --> 01:36:29,820
 potential prospects, and it is possible that another zoning designation could fit here,

1144
01:36:29,820 --> 01:36:34,780
 but we would need to be able to step back and reevaluate that.

1145
01:36:34,780 --> 01:36:38,860
 Having said that, their preference is light industrial, and they believe that the protections

1146
01:36:38,860 --> 01:36:44,620
 are in place for the neighbors, whether it's light industrial or another zoning designation,

1147
01:36:44,620 --> 01:36:49,980
 because we would be under the regulatory authority of the city of Denton and the youth-specific

1148
01:36:49,980 --> 01:36:55,660
 standards and SUP standards associated with some of those more intense uses that might

1149
01:36:55,660 --> 01:37:01,420
 be undesirable or need some protection for the neighbors.

1150
01:37:01,420 --> 01:37:07,580
 With that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

1151
01:37:07,580 --> 01:37:08,580
 Thank you.

1152
01:37:08,580 --> 01:37:10,420
 Commissioner Pruitt, did you have a question?

1153
01:37:10,420 --> 01:37:11,420
 You're on the board.

1154
01:37:11,420 --> 01:37:14,140
 That's from before.

1155
01:37:14,140 --> 01:37:15,140
 Commissioner Smith.

1156
01:37:15,140 --> 01:37:16,140
 Thank you, Chair.

1157
01:37:16,140 --> 01:37:23,220
 I understand the zoning from the sense of how the development west has been.

1158
01:37:23,220 --> 01:37:25,060
 It's been L.I. all the way up to there.

1159
01:37:25,060 --> 01:37:30,700
 I think the difference, in my opinion, would be that they have more land for them to be

1160
01:37:30,700 --> 01:37:32,500
 able to do L.I.

1161
01:37:32,500 --> 01:37:34,260
 What is your opinion on that?

1162
01:37:34,260 --> 01:37:39,960
 Having that strip zoning there, that narrow piece of property to be working with, there's

1163
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:46,500
 plenty of L.I. uses, as you mentioned, warehouse, retail space, pad sites.

1164
01:37:46,500 --> 01:37:52,500
 But if that's the case, those things can also be in an HC or in some instances, not everything,

1165
01:37:52,500 --> 01:37:56,000
 but even an SC or something like that.

1166
01:37:56,000 --> 01:38:00,140
 The intent here is that the client would develop both sides of the property, both what's in

1167
01:38:00,140 --> 01:38:04,580
 the ETJ and on the city side, so it wouldn't necessarily be development only on the strip

1168
01:38:04,580 --> 01:38:05,580
 side.

1169
01:38:05,580 --> 01:38:10,060
 But the strip side, that zoning would control the development regulations of the entire

1170
01:38:10,060 --> 01:38:11,060
 site.

1171
01:38:11,060 --> 01:38:15,540
 We've actually done some conceptual exercises to try to figure out what would fit there

1172
01:38:15,540 --> 01:38:17,620
 as they begin to market this.

1173
01:38:17,620 --> 01:38:19,300
 We've put some pad sites on the corner.

1174
01:38:19,300 --> 01:38:26,380
 We've put a couple of smaller warehouse and office flex spaces that fit, but the scale

1175
01:38:26,380 --> 01:38:32,980
 is obviously impacted by the size of the property, so while L.I. may have some larger scale projects

1176
01:38:32,980 --> 01:38:38,340
 to the west, it would be limited here to some smaller projects just by the nature of the

1177
01:38:38,340 --> 01:38:39,340
 site itself.

1178
01:38:39,340 --> 01:38:40,340
 Gotcha.

1179
01:38:40,340 --> 01:38:44,700
 But going in with L.I., even into the ETJ property, section of the property, that would

1180
01:38:44,700 --> 01:38:45,700
 be kind of the intent.

1181
01:38:45,700 --> 01:38:46,700
 Correct.

1182
01:38:46,700 --> 01:38:47,700
 Correct.

1183
01:38:47,700 --> 01:38:52,020
 Our understanding is that if we take access through the zoning of the city of Denton,

1184
01:38:52,020 --> 01:38:57,700
 we will be governed both land use and regulations on the entire property.

1185
01:38:57,700 --> 01:38:58,700
 Okay.

1186
01:38:58,700 --> 01:39:00,700
 Thank you.

1187
01:39:00,700 --> 01:39:01,700
 Commissioner Anderson.

1188
01:39:01,700 --> 01:39:03,300
 Hey, thanks, Amy.

1189
01:39:03,300 --> 01:39:11,140
 One of my concerns now, hearing that it might be warehouse and storage, is people pulling

1190
01:39:11,140 --> 01:39:13,420
 in and out of a 380 with trailers.

1191
01:39:13,420 --> 01:39:19,660
 People are doing 65, 70 through there, and you're going to have people with a 10-, 20-foot

1192
01:39:19,660 --> 01:39:26,660
 trailer trying to pull across and go across two or three lanes of traffic to go eastbound,

1193
01:39:26,660 --> 01:39:31,620
 and I think there's 380s already, a lot of accidents, and I think that's just going to

1194
01:39:31,620 --> 01:39:37,660
 be a big accident hazard just waiting to happen with people pulling trailers, because I know

1195
01:39:37,660 --> 01:39:42,540
 a lot of landscape companies usually use warehouses and storage places like this to store their

1196
01:39:42,540 --> 01:39:46,660
 equipment and stuff like this, and I just see it being a big accident waiting to happen

1197
01:39:46,660 --> 01:39:50,580
 with trailers, people with trailers trying to pull in and out, people moving into Denton,

1198
01:39:50,580 --> 01:39:54,260
 or people storing their furniture there with trailers pulling in and out.

1199
01:39:54,260 --> 01:39:56,020
 To me, that's kind of scary.

1200
01:39:56,020 --> 01:40:00,540
 I hear your point, and I don't think it would be self-storage necessarily.

1201
01:40:00,540 --> 01:40:07,700
 I think it would be more of like a distribution type facility, and any substantial trunk traffic

1202
01:40:07,700 --> 01:40:12,880
 I think would warrant a turn signal, or not, I'm sorry, not a turn signal, a decel lane

1203
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:17,140
 on our part at the cost of the developer to make sure that they are pulled off of the

1204
01:40:17,140 --> 01:40:24,060
 main lane prior to turning in, but depending on what ultimately develops there, we would

1205
01:40:24,060 --> 01:40:29,060
 have to look at that traffic impact specifically and make sure that it's mitigated for, but

1206
01:40:29,060 --> 01:40:31,780
 I definitely hear your concerns, I drive that every day.

1207
01:40:31,780 --> 01:40:38,940
 Would they be entertaining the thought of maybe doing some commercial stuff there instead

1208
01:40:38,940 --> 01:40:40,740
 of industrial?

1209
01:40:40,740 --> 01:40:45,060
 I would have to go back and talk with them about that.

1210
01:40:45,060 --> 01:40:50,220
 I did see on there that you said retail pads, I think that would be better than commercial.

1211
01:40:50,220 --> 01:40:54,680
 I think they're open to that, but in their marketing efforts to date, they've found

1212
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:59,420
 that there's a lot of demand for the light industrial type uses out there.

1213
01:40:59,420 --> 01:41:05,060
 As they see that pattern continue to develop, that's where those users are looking.

1214
01:41:05,060 --> 01:41:07,780
 I think they're still open to retail pad sites.

1215
01:41:07,780 --> 01:41:13,340
 Our first conceptual exercise included a couple of those, especially on the corner there.

1216
01:41:13,340 --> 01:41:17,900
 Yeah, I mean, because that's one of my big concerns is traffic, pulling in and out with

1217
01:41:17,900 --> 01:41:20,340
 trailers trying to get across three lanes of traffic.

1218
01:41:20,340 --> 01:41:21,340
 Absolutely.

1219
01:41:21,340 --> 01:41:25,740
 People cruising through there pretty fast, so okay, thanks, Amy.

1220
01:41:25,740 --> 01:41:28,300
 Amy, I did have a question for you.

1221
01:41:28,300 --> 01:41:34,060
 You talked about concern of traffic on Trinity.

1222
01:41:34,060 --> 01:41:37,480
 There's no way to guarantee that the development wouldn't be on Trinity.

1223
01:41:37,480 --> 01:41:38,500
 There's really no way to do that.

1224
01:41:38,500 --> 01:41:42,320
 This is a zoning change request, right?

1225
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:46,380
 So you've allayed the fears by talking to them, but there's really nothing to say that

1226
01:41:46,380 --> 01:41:48,620
 that can't happen, right?

1227
01:41:48,620 --> 01:41:50,740
 As far as I know, that is correct.

1228
01:41:50,740 --> 01:41:55,980
 I think that they would intend to and want to take access off of 380, but from a zoning

1229
01:41:55,980 --> 01:41:58,500
 standpoint, that can't be restricted.

1230
01:41:58,500 --> 01:42:00,500
 Right, right.

1231
01:42:00,500 --> 01:42:02,900
 That's definitely a concern of mine.

1232
01:42:02,900 --> 01:42:07,100
 Any other questions for Amy?

1233
01:42:07,100 --> 01:42:08,420
 I don't see any at this time, though.

1234
01:42:08,420 --> 01:42:09,420
 Okay, thank you.

1235
01:42:09,420 --> 01:42:10,420
 You know what?

1236
01:42:10,420 --> 01:42:11,420
 I stand corrected.

1237
01:42:11,420 --> 01:42:13,220
 I have one more question.

1238
01:42:13,220 --> 01:42:19,380
 Would your applicant consider a possible postponement to re-look at some of the things and think

1239
01:42:19,380 --> 01:42:21,700
 about some of the discussion that we've had today?

1240
01:42:21,700 --> 01:42:26,620
 I think that if what we're hearing here is concerns for this specific zoning designation,

1241
01:42:26,620 --> 01:42:28,620
 that would be our preference, yes, as a postponement.

1242
01:42:28,620 --> 01:42:38,140
 I think a lot of concerns heard and one mind, too, is taking into considerations these special

1243
01:42:38,140 --> 01:42:44,980
 areas of this rural living and really making the best decision that we can, knowing that

1244
01:42:44,980 --> 01:42:54,700
 obviously land that fronts the university being R2 is not, obviously, that's not appropriate,

1245
01:42:54,700 --> 01:42:57,060
 but what is the best?

1246
01:42:57,060 --> 01:43:03,300
 We would consider a postponement, and that would be preferable over an undesirable outcome

1247
01:43:03,300 --> 01:43:06,020
 today because light industrial is the issue.

1248
01:43:06,020 --> 01:43:07,020
 Understood.

1249
01:43:07,020 --> 01:43:08,020
 Okay.

1250
01:43:08,020 --> 01:43:09,500
 Thank you for presenting.

1251
01:43:09,500 --> 01:43:12,420
 I do have another card here wishing to speak.

1252
01:43:12,420 --> 01:43:16,540
 From Bud, is it Fuson?

1253
01:43:16,540 --> 01:43:17,540
 Fuson.

1254
01:43:17,540 --> 01:43:18,540
 Bud Fuson.

1255
01:43:18,540 --> 01:43:19,540
 Well, welcome.

1256
01:43:19,540 --> 01:43:22,460
 If you'll state your name and address, you will have minutes to speak.

1257
01:43:22,460 --> 01:43:23,460
 Okay.

1258
01:43:23,460 --> 01:43:24,460
 Bud Fuson.

1259
01:43:24,460 --> 01:43:30,060
 I live at 1828 Countryside Drive, which is at the corner of Fish Trap, and your point

1260
01:43:30,060 --> 01:43:34,820
 on the traffic was very valid because there have been three people killed at Trinity in

1261
01:43:34,820 --> 01:43:41,700
 380 in the last year and a half, so every time you pull out on 380 from Trinity, you're

1262
01:43:41,700 --> 01:43:44,980
 basically taking your life in your hands.

1263
01:43:44,980 --> 01:43:50,460
 Beyond that, my initial question was, you know, what was the classification of light

1264
01:43:50,460 --> 01:43:54,100
 industrial, but I think that's been answered.

1265
01:43:54,100 --> 01:44:01,060
 Pretty much anything goes, and I would definitely hate to see that, as I live just north of

1266
01:44:01,060 --> 01:44:11,220
 this property on Fish Trap, and I would certainly hate to see the property values plummet.

1267
01:44:11,220 --> 01:44:18,940
 As an aside, on this property, there's a tree line, and there's kind of a buffer between

1268
01:44:18,940 --> 01:44:25,300
 the noise on 380, and whatever happens on that property, I would certainly hope to see

1269
01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:32,120
 that tree line maintained, so thank you.

1270
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:36,340
 Thank you for coming to share your points with us.

1271
01:44:36,340 --> 01:44:38,940
 Any questions for Mr. Fuson?

1272
01:44:38,940 --> 01:44:45,100
 All right, that is the only card I have left.

1273
01:44:45,100 --> 01:44:46,940
 This is a public hearing.

1274
01:44:46,940 --> 01:44:54,740
 Anyone else wishing to speak, whether you filled out a card or not?

1275
01:44:54,740 --> 01:45:00,660
 Seeing none, I will close the public hearing, and I will make a point, as Ron stated, that

1276
01:45:00,660 --> 01:45:08,380
 we all did receive in writing a note in opposition, and that will be recorded with the city secretary.

1277
01:45:08,380 --> 01:45:15,680
 At this point, the chair can entertain discussion or a motion, Commissioner Anderson.

1278
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:22,220
 To be a good steward, I'd make a motion to postpone it, to let them listen to our comments

1279
01:45:22,220 --> 01:45:26,700
 and suggestions instead of just totally denying it, so we can come up with a solution to be

1280
01:45:26,700 --> 01:45:30,940
 a good steward to the neighbors and to the city, something that would work for both.

1281
01:45:30,940 --> 01:45:38,620
 I mean, would we give them a 30-day extension, Ron, is that what we'd do, or Haley?

1282
01:45:38,620 --> 01:45:46,180
 Well, I wouldn't want to give an indefinite date, I mean, would 30 days be fine, Amy?

1283
01:45:46,180 --> 01:45:50,020
 We can look at the calendar and identify a date, I don't have it.

1284
01:45:50,020 --> 01:45:54,620
 I mean, I think a 30-day is October 6, is that right, that's what we did on the others.

1285
01:45:54,620 --> 01:45:59,460
 Our preference would be to come back sooner rather than later, so either the September

1286
01:45:59,460 --> 01:46:05,860
 22nd or October 6th, the 22nd, I think we could be quick enough to be back two weeks

1287
01:46:05,860 --> 01:46:06,860
 from now.

1288
01:46:06,860 --> 01:46:11,340
 But just in case, would October 6th be better, I mean, or we can do September 22nd, that's

1289
01:46:11,340 --> 01:46:13,660
 up to you, I mean.

1290
01:46:13,660 --> 01:46:18,260
 I don't know if that agenda's too full, Haley.

1291
01:46:18,260 --> 01:46:22,060
 We have quite a few public hearings coming up, but either date could work, whatever is

1292
01:46:22,060 --> 01:46:23,060
 best for the applicant.

1293
01:46:23,060 --> 01:46:24,060
 Yeah.

1294
01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:27,180
 I mean, I just don't want to try to rush it through and y'all not get through in time,

1295
01:46:27,180 --> 01:46:31,860
 and then we have to deny it, or I'd rather give y'all 30 days, and then come back if

1296
01:46:31,860 --> 01:46:33,140
 you wanted to come back earlier or something.

1297
01:46:33,140 --> 01:46:36,340
 I think my client's preference would be the sooner date.

1298
01:46:36,340 --> 01:46:37,340
 Okay.

1299
01:46:37,340 --> 01:46:38,340
 Just to keep things moving.

1300
01:46:38,340 --> 01:46:41,980
 Then why don't we postpone it to September 22nd?

1301
01:46:41,980 --> 01:46:42,980
 Okay.

1302
01:46:42,980 --> 01:46:48,940
 So your motion on the floor is to postpone this item to a date certain of September 22nd?

1303
01:46:48,940 --> 01:46:49,940
 Yes.

1304
01:46:49,940 --> 01:46:50,940
 Okay.

1305
01:46:50,940 --> 01:46:51,940
 Commissioner Cole?

1306
01:46:51,940 --> 01:46:52,940
 Second.

1307
01:46:52,940 --> 01:46:59,820
 You have a second to postpone to a date certain of September 22nd.

1308
01:46:59,820 --> 01:47:00,820
 Commissioner Pruitt?

1309
01:47:00,820 --> 01:47:01,820
 Yeah.

1310
01:47:01,820 --> 01:47:09,780
 Just a couple thoughts, since I didn't have the opportunity during the presentation.

1311
01:47:09,780 --> 01:47:18,100
 I haven't yet been convinced that strip annexation is what you do in a position where you can

1312
01:47:18,100 --> 01:47:19,620
 make good planning decisions.

1313
01:47:19,620 --> 01:47:26,460
 Instead, you have these strips of land, and it always seems to be butted up against an

1314
01:47:26,460 --> 01:47:30,940
 existing use, like rural homes, and it's a very strange situation.

1315
01:47:30,940 --> 01:47:35,580
 With that said, if it wasn't annexed, it would be county property, and we'd have no jurisdiction

1316
01:47:35,580 --> 01:47:40,140
 over the use, and the landowner would be able to do whatever they could within the county

1317
01:47:40,140 --> 01:47:41,140
 regulations.

1318
01:47:41,140 --> 01:47:45,620
 So, you know, we'll see what it comes back with.

1319
01:47:45,620 --> 01:47:49,620
 I'm not opposed to postponing it.

1320
01:47:49,620 --> 01:47:58,300
 I think we just need to keep in mind what the situation is and how we got here.

1321
01:47:58,300 --> 01:48:00,340
 Thank you, Commissioner Pruitt, for your thoughts.

1322
01:48:00,340 --> 01:48:01,340
 Commissioner Smith?

1323
01:48:01,340 --> 01:48:02,340
 Thank you, Chair.

1324
01:48:02,340 --> 01:48:08,500
 I'm in line with Commissioner Pruitt in that, you know, I don't think that strip annexation

1325
01:48:08,500 --> 01:48:14,260
 was necessarily good for being able to develop, you know, very rural areas, and definitely

1326
01:48:14,260 --> 01:48:19,780
 done for the sake of being able to extend ETJ, and it stinks that applicants and their

1327
01:48:19,780 --> 01:48:24,260
 representatives have to suffer for this, but, you know, I think that's a worry that I do

1328
01:48:24,260 --> 01:48:25,260
 have.

1329
01:48:25,260 --> 01:48:28,660
 If this was, you know, what I always have where it's the project is what you're really

1330
01:48:28,660 --> 01:48:31,540
 looking at when you're looking at a zoning case, in this scenario, we're actually truly

1331
01:48:31,540 --> 01:48:38,780
 looking at a zoning case with no real project behind it, but I would hate to make what is

1332
01:48:38,780 --> 01:48:45,900
 a major thoroughfare major gateway into the city from the east to be 100% defined by the

1333
01:48:45,900 --> 01:48:50,380
 industrial nature that is up and down 380 definitely already exists there, but much

1334
01:48:50,380 --> 01:48:56,420
 like what we had on the project on 77 Northside north of north of 288.

1335
01:48:56,420 --> 01:49:01,540
 We have a little bit of a decision and to say as a commission to be able to decide if

1336
01:49:01,540 --> 01:49:04,820
 a gateway into the city looks a certain way.

1337
01:49:04,820 --> 01:49:10,180
 We have that choice and so I'm going to support the table to possibly say well if there isn't

1338
01:49:10,180 --> 01:49:14,700
 a project with somebody already there and needing light industrial then what possibilities

1339
01:49:14,700 --> 01:49:20,280
 are there for an HC or an SC and the marketability for that because I feel like those zonings

1340
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:28,500
 would would bring a much more attractive and even useful for Mr. Bud here zoning that retail

1341
01:49:28,500 --> 01:49:34,060
 spaces commercial centers that their rural neighbors could have access to could possibly

1342
01:49:34,060 --> 01:49:39,100
 be there instead of just warehousing we've got enough warehousing out there so I will

1343
01:49:39,100 --> 01:49:41,300
 be in support of it.

1344
01:49:41,300 --> 01:49:46,340
 Thank you Commissioner Smith why look forward to this coming back I think there were some

1345
01:49:46,340 --> 01:49:52,980
 great thoughts shared and I think more discussion and thoughtfulness is needed on this so we'll

1346
01:49:52,980 --> 01:49:58,940
 see what happens with that I will call for a vote on the board to prove an extension

1347
01:49:58,940 --> 01:50:09,260
 to a date certain of September twenty second.

1348
01:50:09,260 --> 01:50:14,500
 Motion carries seven zero.

1349
01:50:14,500 --> 01:50:19,060
 Ron I believe this gentleman has if you could answer his question please thank you.

1350
01:50:19,060 --> 01:50:25,540
 That will move us to item five BZ twenty one zero zero one three I'll invite Mark Laird

1351
01:50:25,540 --> 01:50:47,580
 up for presentation and open the public hearing.

1352
01:50:47,580 --> 01:50:51,420
 Good evening my name is Mark Laird I'm a planner for the development service department this

1353
01:50:51,420 --> 01:50:57,620
 evening for your review and consideration I have a request to rezone one point three

1354
01:50:57,620 --> 01:51:03,660
 seven two acre track from rural residential to residential one this property is located

1355
01:51:03,660 --> 01:51:09,500
 on Miller Road east of Moss Branch Road the site is currently vacant and is surrounded

1356
01:51:09,500 --> 01:51:15,020
 by rural residential residential two and ETJ.

1357
01:51:15,020 --> 01:51:18,540
 The property owner is requesting the rezoning to allow for site compliance to develop the

1358
01:51:18,540 --> 01:51:28,060
 property for single family use and 2010 the city annexes area and part of the annexation

1359
01:51:28,060 --> 01:51:34,740
 is on the designation of RD five X with adoption of the current code that transition to the

1360
01:51:34,740 --> 01:51:44,540
 rural residential the map on the right shows the proposed zoning request.

1361
01:51:44,540 --> 01:51:50,320
 This evening for our discussion I'll be focusing on items three eight three and eight for the

1362
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:57,020
 general approval criteria for all applications and items three six and seven of the zoning

1363
01:51:57,020 --> 01:52:06,660
 criteria for approval the site the didn't plan 2030 has a site designated as business

1364
01:52:06,660 --> 01:52:12,940
 innovation this business innovation is intended for large scale office employment parks lot

1365
01:52:12,940 --> 01:52:19,020
 manufacturing and support of residential and commercial uses business innovation land use

1366
01:52:19,020 --> 01:52:24,660
 is a mixed use designation and residential development is not entirely discouraged within

1367
01:52:24,660 --> 01:52:30,700
 these uses given that the lot is located under on the urban fringe with limited connectivity

1368
01:52:30,700 --> 01:52:37,980
 to in rural roadways the current development pattern of the subject site and lot surrounding

1369
01:52:37,980 --> 01:52:43,460
 area are appropriate in this area the subject property is within a well-established large

1370
01:52:43,460 --> 01:52:50,860
 single family lot development and under goal LU dash three of the comprehensive plan related

1371
01:52:50,860 --> 01:52:56,020
 to maintaining a strengthening neighborhoods infill is encouraged of vacant lots within

1372
01:52:56,020 --> 01:52:59,660
 residential areas.

1373
01:52:59,660 --> 01:53:04,140
 Our one zoning district is not consistent with the business innovation designation it

1374
01:53:04,140 --> 01:53:13,100
 is consistent with the neighborhood surrounding areas minimizing adverse impacts on surrounding

1375
01:53:13,100 --> 01:53:18,740
 property our one is consistent with the surrounding area and the proposed zoning will allow the

1376
01:53:18,740 --> 01:53:25,700
 development of a single-family detached dwelling direct vehicular connection to Miller Road

1377
01:53:25,700 --> 01:53:31,620
 is only from Mosh Branch Road development will require conformance with the current

1378
01:53:31,620 --> 01:53:39,140
 site plan design standards including screening and landscaping public facilities and services

1379
01:53:39,140 --> 01:53:44,380
 available to serve the property as far as transportation one driveway connection to

1380
01:53:44,380 --> 01:53:49,660
 Mill Road this property is located within the school independent school district the

1381
01:53:49,660 --> 01:53:54,900
 property is approximately 5.1 miles to the nearest park and does not meet the parks requirement

1382
01:53:54,900 --> 01:54:02,060
 of a 10-minute walk to a park the site is has available public water service from an

1383
01:54:02,060 --> 01:54:09,100
 8-inch waterline however wastewater is not the site can be served by onsite septic system

1384
01:54:09,100 --> 01:54:14,660
 the nearest fast fire station is 4.6 miles and is not within the 8-minute or less response

1385
01:54:14,660 --> 01:54:21,780
 time boundary error in establishing the current zoning district there was not an error in

1386
01:54:21,780 --> 01:54:26,100
 the assignment of the current zoning addition as mentioned earlier this property was annexed

1387
01:54:26,100 --> 01:54:35,660
 in 2010 and received the RD 5x zoning designation to meet the current standards of the development

1388
01:54:35,660 --> 01:54:41,260
 code the property must be rezoned to a district smaller with the minimum lot size therefore

1389
01:54:41,260 --> 01:54:50,020
 the existing RR excuse me therefore the existing rural residential district is no longer appropriate

1390
01:54:50,020 --> 01:54:58,380
 walkout reach was made newspaper ads were placed signs posted 12 public noses were were

1391
01:54:58,380 --> 01:55:04,020
 sent out within the 200-foot radius and 13 courtesy notices were mailed out at this time

1392
01:55:04,020 --> 01:55:10,620
 we have received no responses staff recommends approval of the request as it complies to

1393
01:55:10,620 --> 01:55:17,580
 sections 2.45 E and 2.72 D of Denton Development Code I stand for any questions that you may

1394
01:55:17,580 --> 01:55:27,780
 have thank you mark any questions I do not see any thank you for the presentation this

1395
01:55:27,780 --> 01:55:34,340
 is a public hearing I don't have any cards but anyone is welcome to speak on this item

1396
01:55:34,340 --> 01:55:42,100
 and Stuart I assume we don't have anyone on the phone correct no ma'am nobody's okay

1397
01:55:42,100 --> 01:55:51,420
 thank you okay seeing no speakers I will close the public hearing and open to the floor discussion

1398
01:55:51,420 --> 01:55:59,100
 or a motion Commissioner Smith make a motion to approve Commissioner Villarreal second

1399
01:55:59,100 --> 01:56:08,580
 okay we've got a first and a second to approve z21 13 any discussion okay seeing none let's

1400
01:56:08,580 --> 01:56:20,140
 call for a vote on the board please motion carries seven zero that will move us to public

1401
01:56:20,140 --> 01:56:28,820
 hearing item 5c pd 21 0002 c I will call Julie Wyatt for presentation and open the public

1402
01:56:28,820 --> 01:56:45,260
 hearing good evening I'm Julie Wyatt let me pull my presentation let's see if I can get

1403
01:56:45,260 --> 01:56:52,020
 it to work yeah I did okay good evening I'm Julie Wyatt senior planner with the city of

1404
01:56:52,020 --> 01:57:01,540
 Denton excuse me and I'm presenting pd 21 0002 c Christopher Todd communities the request

1405
01:57:01,540 --> 01:57:07,220
 before you is to rezone the subject property from mixed use regional district to plan development

1406
01:57:07,220 --> 01:57:12,300
 district the purpose of the rezoning is to facilitate the development of a horizontal

1407
01:57:12,300 --> 01:57:19,460
 multifamily living use the subject site is located at kind of that intersection of loop

1408
01:57:19,460 --> 01:57:26,540
 288 highway 77 and north bonnie bray it is outlined here in yellow it's sort of situated

1409
01:57:26,540 --> 01:57:34,740
 on the northern side of town just to orient you to the existing zoning that existing zoning

1410
01:57:34,740 --> 01:57:42,020
 mr district it does permit multifamily uses with you specific standards so really that

1411
01:57:42,020 --> 01:57:47,580
 that sort of multifamily use as it as it functions is already permitted in the district what

1412
01:57:47,580 --> 01:57:52,620
 we're really talking about today is really that design and kind of how it's laid out

1413
01:57:52,620 --> 01:58:01,060
 the subject the proposed horizontal multifamily use is is kind of newer to denton I think

1414
01:58:01,060 --> 01:58:08,020
 you've maybe seen one of them and it really kind of it although it functions like a multifamily

1415
01:58:08,020 --> 01:58:13,060
 it really doesn't meet our definition of how we define multifamily in the denton development

1416
01:58:13,060 --> 01:58:20,420
 code and so so that's why they are moving forward with this PD sort of define this use

1417
01:58:20,420 --> 01:58:25,700
 as they're proposing the definition it would be more than three dwelling units on a lot

1418
01:58:25,700 --> 01:58:31,100
 with a maximum height of two stories not to exceed thirty feet and then no more than two

1419
01:58:31,100 --> 01:58:36,940
 dwelling units could be contained in one building as I mentioned this is really similar to traditional

1420
01:58:36,940 --> 01:58:41,620
 multifamily but it just doesn't meet that that definition that the denton development

1421
01:58:41,620 --> 01:58:48,660
 code has for multifamily um we'll just take a look at what their site plan shows remember

1422
01:58:48,660 --> 01:58:52,540
 with a PD you've got the development standards and then you have that development map so

1423
01:58:52,540 --> 01:58:58,580
 we have that site plan a tie to that PD as as proposed it would contain three hundred

1424
01:58:58,580 --> 01:59:04,220
 and sixteen single family or duplex units as you can see on the site plan on your screen

1425
01:59:04,220 --> 01:59:09,140
 it's really organized around sort of a grid pattern that that follows also the boundaries

1426
01:59:09,140 --> 01:59:16,700
 of the property um the subject site connects to highway 77 in three places um first in

1427
01:59:16,700 --> 01:59:22,420
 in the middle section there is a full access point for for future residents um both in

1428
01:59:22,420 --> 01:59:28,700
 and out of the site um the the south entrance is would just be an exit only um and then

1429
01:59:28,700 --> 01:59:32,260
 the north entrance would really just be for emergency vehicles and that really is just

1430
01:59:32,260 --> 01:59:38,020
 to make sure that they've got that adequate emergency access um that drive aisle loops

1431
01:59:38,020 --> 01:59:44,980
 around the property um connecting um with north south um um spines um and that parking

1432
01:59:44,980 --> 01:59:50,820
 is along that drive aisle so really does disperse that parking through the through the site um

1433
01:59:50,820 --> 01:59:55,940
 you can see each of the uh the units how they're organized they really are intended to be organized

1434
01:59:55,940 --> 02:00:01,580
 around common open spaces and you can see that in those areas that have that star those

1435
02:00:01,580 --> 02:00:08,460
 are actually plaza areas that are kind of um um put throughout the pro the project to

1436
02:00:08,460 --> 02:00:14,580
 allow that common gathering space in that social space um they also have are proposing

1437
02:00:14,580 --> 02:00:20,660
 a a um an amenity for uh the community which would include a pool and a barbecue area also

1438
02:00:20,660 --> 02:00:27,340
 a dog park at the southern end and there are also linear um connections for pedestrians

1439
02:00:27,340 --> 02:00:32,620
 uh throughout the site uh the main one would be this main spine shown here in this on this

1440
02:00:32,620 --> 02:00:38,140
 blue area arrow it is 30 feet wide and it would include tree plantings and and pedestrian

1441
02:00:38,140 --> 02:00:43,660
 walkways um and that really does connect a pedestrian gate on the west side to that community

1442
02:00:43,660 --> 02:00:48,180
 center and throughout the the development um and those drive aisles they're also proposing

1443
02:00:48,180 --> 02:00:54,420
 patterned and stained concrete to alert drivers that at the um potential presence of pedestrians

1444
02:00:54,420 --> 02:00:59,480
 um i mentioned the pedestrian gate on the west side they're also proposing a pedestrian

1445
02:00:59,480 --> 02:01:05,860
 gate um near highway 77 and that would allow residents to connect to that sidewalk um and

1446
02:01:05,860 --> 02:01:11,960
 then on to the greater uh pedestrian facility um they are also oriented one thing that i

1447
02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:16,300
 i failed to mention in the work session i want to talk about is the southern edge of

1448
02:01:16,300 --> 02:01:22,780
 the site uh as i mentioned this is sort of um developed with with single family and duplex

1449
02:01:22,780 --> 02:01:28,060
 uh dwellings each dwelling unit would have its own private space so its own private backyard

1450
02:01:28,060 --> 02:01:33,100
 with a tree uh and and it's it's oriented in a way on the southern side so that the

1451
02:01:33,100 --> 02:01:38,340
 backyards of these uh proposed units would back up to a developing residential use and

1452
02:01:38,340 --> 02:01:43,500
 we'll talk about this later in the uh presentation but there's uh they're proposing a six foot

1453
02:01:43,500 --> 02:01:48,980
 masonry fence along that back along that southern property boundary um with those units with

1454
02:01:48,980 --> 02:01:54,020
 the backyards uh backing up uh to the adjacent site so it really does um sort of function

1455
02:01:54,020 --> 02:02:02,020
 like kind of a traditional neighborhood although a compact neighborhood uh here's kind of zooms

1456
02:02:02,020 --> 02:02:08,700
 in and what one of those little pods um looks like uh this is this is um just a small section

1457
02:02:08,700 --> 02:02:15,500
 of the proposal and you can see the units um the two bedroom units uh the the duplexes

1458
02:02:15,500 --> 02:02:22,020
 just have one bedroom units so it would be um two one bedroom units within that duplex

1459
02:02:22,020 --> 02:02:27,100
 uh it shows the backyards and they are they are proposed to be fenced with small patios

1460
02:02:27,100 --> 02:02:32,300
 um and trees in those backyards and then foundation planting so they really do function like you

1461
02:02:32,300 --> 02:02:37,300
 would go into a single family home with that lead walk connecting to the the pedestrian

1462
02:02:37,300 --> 02:02:43,220
 um sidewalks the criteria for approval for a pd is in sub chapter two of the debt and

1463
02:02:43,220 --> 02:02:48,140
 development code we've got the general criteria for approval by staffs analysis the project

1464
02:02:48,140 --> 02:02:53,500
 does meet the general criteria criteria for approval and then we have the specific criteria

1465
02:02:53,500 --> 02:02:57,020
 for approval for pd's and we're going to go over this a little bit more in detail as we

1466
02:02:57,020 --> 02:03:02,060
 talk through the project so the first thing we always talk about is the denton plan 2030

1467
02:03:02,060 --> 02:03:06,340
 it's our comprehensive plan um the subject property has a future land use designation

1468
02:03:06,340 --> 02:03:10,860
 of business innovation and that map on your screen shows you how this this site really

1469
02:03:10,860 --> 02:03:16,860
 fits into the larger um vision for this area um in denton um just to describe business

1470
02:03:16,860 --> 02:03:22,580
 innovation it is one of our mixed use future land use designations it's generally intended

1471
02:03:22,580 --> 02:03:28,980
 for um employment and office uses maybe larger scale um employment and office uses but there

1472
02:03:28,980 --> 02:03:35,900
 is room within that future land use designation for um for supporting uses like retail and

1473
02:03:35,900 --> 02:03:42,660
 residential um so that you do get that mix of uses um within it um and in the development

1474
02:03:42,660 --> 02:03:48,340
 criteria it does discuss that them uh that we should maintain the character of an area

1475
02:03:48,340 --> 02:03:54,980
 by ensuring any new development would be sensitive this to the surrounding built uh built environment

1476
02:03:54,980 --> 02:04:01,380
 in context and scale so we'll um and you can see by that map we've got the subject property

1477
02:04:01,380 --> 02:04:07,260
 it is in that business innovation it is adjacent to other future land use designations um low

1478
02:04:07,260 --> 02:04:12,940
 residential is to the south we've got community mixed use um just across bonnie bray just

1479
02:04:12,940 --> 02:04:17,740
 to the east of the subject property there's also governmental future land use designation

1480
02:04:17,740 --> 02:04:23,500
 so there's a lot going on in this one little area and now we'll talk about how we analyze

1481
02:04:23,500 --> 02:04:28,620
 that future land use designation so um we looked at that and and how it all fits together

1482
02:04:28,620 --> 02:04:34,180
 in that map and then we also looked at the surrounding um built environment um and this

1483
02:04:34,180 --> 02:04:41,140
 site is um is um near uh some developing uh residential areas and also some institutional

1484
02:04:41,140 --> 02:04:46,900
 areas and you can see that by the map so um the subject site is outlined in yellow uh

1485
02:04:46,900 --> 02:04:52,540
 we've got a a new single family neighborhood that's under development right now uh you

1486
02:04:52,540 --> 02:04:56,820
 might remember those plots that you've seen come before you recently uh the the new dentin

1487
02:04:56,820 --> 02:05:01,540
 high school is currently under construction south of there we've got some uh moderate

1488
02:05:01,540 --> 02:05:06,540
 density residential to the um to the east of the subject property that includes things

1489
02:05:06,540 --> 02:05:11,980
 like town homes as well as some multi-family and then we have a um a university center

1490
02:05:11,980 --> 02:05:16,540
 uh to the northeast of the site so there's there's a lot of institutional and residential

1491
02:05:16,540 --> 02:05:23,700
 uses in this um in this this specific area and um and so in looking at that in the context

1492
02:05:23,700 --> 02:05:28,460
 and the character of that area we um it is staff's analysis that the supporting residential

1493
02:05:28,460 --> 02:05:33,020
 uses may be more appropriate in this situation and maybe not not so much the employment but

1494
02:05:33,020 --> 02:05:38,900
 those supporting uses um this proposal would um would kind of extend that existing residential

1495
02:05:38,900 --> 02:05:43,240
 pattern that's developing to the south but at a little bit higher density to allow that

1496
02:05:43,240 --> 02:05:50,140
 transition as you move north toward loop 288 um and this and um as a as a supporting use

1497
02:05:50,140 --> 02:05:55,260
 within the business innovation it would provide that housing to support those future employment

1498
02:05:55,260 --> 02:06:00,860
 uses we anticipate will be developing to the north and to the west of the subject site

1499
02:06:00,860 --> 02:06:06,180
 um and then also not only the future land use map but we also look at other goals and

1500
02:06:06,180 --> 02:06:11,660
 elements within dentin plan 2030 and one goal within element seven is to develop uh you

1501
02:06:11,660 --> 02:06:16,460
 know a diverse housing stock with lots of choices in terms of costs and and housing

1502
02:06:16,460 --> 02:06:21,940
 types and and as i mentioned this is a newer residential form it is that multi-family that

1503
02:06:21,940 --> 02:06:27,260
 kind of with that single family and duplex flavor with those with those private backyards

1504
02:06:27,260 --> 02:06:33,260
 and and kind of that single story um aspect and so this does contribute to our housing

1505
02:06:33,260 --> 02:06:40,700
 choice and it just allows that additional array of options for our residents uh criterion

1506
02:06:40,700 --> 02:06:45,180
 two complies with the dentin development code except for those areas it does that it is

1507
02:06:45,180 --> 02:06:50,260
 um it is mentioned in the development standards in your backup it does it does comply with

1508
02:06:50,260 --> 02:06:53,740
 the dentin development code and will have to comply with the dentin development code

1509
02:06:53,740 --> 02:06:59,740
 as um if it's approved and if it moves forward um the intent of this pd really is to establish

1510
02:06:59,740 --> 02:07:06,020
 that horizontal multi-family living use so that really kind of newer use um just to go

1511
02:07:06,020 --> 02:07:12,420
 over this briefly they are as i mentioned proposing those 316 units um landscaping just

1512
02:07:12,420 --> 02:07:18,420
 to briefly mention um a multi-family development that that comes in the city of dentin we have

1513
02:07:18,420 --> 02:07:25,980
 within our landscape code uh um certain provisions and one of those is is you have to seek you

1514
02:07:25,980 --> 02:07:30,700
 you have to provide enough elements within your development to equal 30 points out of

1515
02:07:30,700 --> 02:07:37,980
 a list um it can it can range from things like um like uh uh landscape islands within

1516
02:07:37,980 --> 02:07:43,680
 parking lots or right of way screening um um other kind of sustainability measures so

1517
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:49,340
 we have a menu of items with which developers may choose um as part of their development

1518
02:07:49,340 --> 02:07:53,060
 they've actually expanded that list and as part of that would be those private backyards

1519
02:07:53,060 --> 02:07:58,340
 so they do meet those those points within that landscape system but just added to that

1520
02:07:58,340 --> 02:08:04,740
 list in order to sort of conform to this new uh development type um i did talk about the

1521
02:08:04,740 --> 02:08:09,420
 buffer on the south side of the property um one other um item that they are requesting

1522
02:08:09,420 --> 02:08:14,300
 a deviation is some um onsite pedestrian pathways as i mentioned you know they've got a lot

1523
02:08:14,300 --> 02:08:21,140
 of those linear pathways within the the development some of those are um are less than the typical

1524
02:08:21,140 --> 02:08:25,940
 five feet they're four feet but those are just in those areas where um those uh linear

1525
02:08:25,940 --> 02:08:31,740
 open spaces are a little narrower and then finally um they have included in their parking

1526
02:08:31,740 --> 02:08:37,260
 totals those garage spaces they are proposing 88 garage spaces as well as covered parking

1527
02:08:37,260 --> 02:08:43,180
 in their in their proposal a criterion three provides greater building design amenities

1528
02:08:43,180 --> 02:08:47,540
 and connectivity so as i mentioned this is proposed to be designed as sort of a compact

1529
02:08:47,540 --> 02:08:52,420
 residential neighborhood and an alternative to to a kind of what we typically see that

1530
02:08:52,420 --> 02:08:58,940
 garden style apartment um each proposal each unit would have that ground floor uh private

1531
02:08:58,940 --> 02:09:04,980
 open space they are proposing all single story units um no two story units so they would

1532
02:09:04,980 --> 02:09:11,620
 all just be that one story um they have the two building types and that's the single family

1533
02:09:11,620 --> 02:09:17,540
 and then the duplex and then they have three elevations um associated with each type to

1534
02:09:17,540 --> 02:09:23,740
 provide variety within the development and um each uh each unit does have that covered

1535
02:09:23,740 --> 02:09:28,940
 front entry as well as connects to that um pedestrian or the um the pedestrian network

1536
02:09:28,940 --> 02:09:35,120
 within the the site uh want to talk about um the site amenities i i know i talked about

1537
02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:40,860
 these before just um uh just briefly want to mention a couple of other things uh there

1538
02:09:40,860 --> 02:09:47,580
 isn't a a 75 foot uh electric easement along loop 288 as well as an additional easement

1539
02:09:47,580 --> 02:09:54,100
 for um for a future water line along loop 288 um and that really does um help to situate

1540
02:09:54,100 --> 02:10:00,980
 the site um the site so that it sort of sets these residential units back from loop 288

1541
02:10:00,980 --> 02:10:06,260
 provides that sort of passive natural space really sets them back from that highway and

1542
02:10:06,260 --> 02:10:12,900
 gives that that that nice buffer um as i mentioned the dog park and the eight courtyard the eight

1543
02:10:12,900 --> 02:10:19,340
 courtyards the pedestrian pathways um uh the vehicular maneuvering i kind of talked about

1544
02:10:19,340 --> 02:10:24,540
 that grid pattern that the site sets up it does sort of create those legible seat streets

1545
02:10:24,540 --> 02:10:32,700
 within the development so that um so that you can kind of find your way through it um

1546
02:10:32,700 --> 02:10:39,140
 and community pool and barbecue area um and then connectivity we talked about this earlier

1547
02:10:39,140 --> 02:10:46,580
 as well um given the limited connectivity um in um for the subject property loop 288

1548
02:10:46,580 --> 02:10:52,340
 um doesn't there's not a connection a vehicular connection that's permitted to loop 288 in

1549
02:10:52,340 --> 02:10:59,300
 this area bonnie bray is going to be realigned um kind of away from the site and so so the

1550
02:10:59,300 --> 02:11:06,180
 the vehicular connectivity is just to highway 77 uh in order to provide additional connectivity

1551
02:11:06,180 --> 02:11:10,380
 for future residents they have provided the pedestrian gate on the west side as well as

1552
02:11:10,380 --> 02:11:16,700
 the east side to connect to to nearby facilities and and properties for future development and

1553
02:11:16,700 --> 02:11:24,540
 um and access criterion four um compatible buildings uses and consistent with the character

1554
02:11:24,540 --> 02:11:31,540
 of the area as we looked at with the um with the aerials this area hasn't you know there's

1555
02:11:31,540 --> 02:11:36,420
 a lot of undeveloped property particularly to the north and to the west of the subject

1556
02:11:36,420 --> 02:11:43,060
 property um the zoning on a lot of that that property is is either uh either allows for

1557
02:11:43,060 --> 02:11:47,460
 commercial development or maybe some sort of employment development so we anticipate

1558
02:11:47,460 --> 02:11:51,700
 that those types of uses are going to be coming in to the north and possibly to the west of

1559
02:11:51,700 --> 02:11:56,580
 the subject site uh as i mentioned south of the subject property we do have that residential

1560
02:11:56,580 --> 02:12:03,380
 character and this is where we're really comparing that uh king's ridge uh plat which you're

1561
02:12:03,380 --> 02:12:08,020
 probably familiar with with the subject site to see how those sort of marry together at

1562
02:12:08,020 --> 02:12:13,140
 that edge so king's ridge is just south of the subject property and it abuts the subject

1563
02:12:13,140 --> 02:12:19,460
 property on the north on the north property boundary the subject property um connects

1564
02:12:19,460 --> 02:12:25,500
 to it in this location and it has oriented those those units so that it's it's uh it

1565
02:12:25,500 --> 02:12:31,820
 mirrors what you typically find in in a residential neighborhood with uh oriented toward the the

1566
02:12:31,820 --> 02:12:36,860
 street or the open space area to the north with the with the private backyards adjacent

1567
02:12:36,860 --> 02:12:44,340
 to the the um the the property abutting it. Provision of public facilities to support

1568
02:12:44,340 --> 02:12:50,020
 the development uh we spoke with uh Denton ISD and they uh all of the schools within

1569
02:12:50,020 --> 02:12:55,660
 the um attendance boundary do have the capacity to accommodate any student generation from

1570
02:12:55,660 --> 02:13:00,360
 this development and there is a fire station within the uh eight minute or less response

1571
02:13:00,360 --> 02:13:07,500
 boundary it's at Windsor and Bonnie Bray. Uh water and wastewater they have uh begun

1572
02:13:07,500 --> 02:13:12,340
 working with engineering regarding utility connections the development to the south is

1573
02:13:12,340 --> 02:13:16,980
 actually bringing water and wastewater uh north to the the boundary of this project

1574
02:13:16,980 --> 02:13:20,620
 and if this is approved and it moves forward with development they'll have to extend that

1575
02:13:20,620 --> 02:13:27,940
 water um to their side and then and then throughout it. I want to take just a moment to talk about

1576
02:13:27,940 --> 02:13:32,540
 transportation in this area there are quite a few arterials and then there's a highway

1577
02:13:32,540 --> 02:13:39,460
 within this area first we have highway 77 it's uh along the the uh northeast property

1578
02:13:39,460 --> 02:13:44,260
 boundary it is a primary arterial and it is constructed as a four lane divided roadway

1579
02:13:44,260 --> 02:13:51,020
 it is a text dot road north loop 288 is north of the subject property and it is also a text

1580
02:13:51,020 --> 02:13:57,060
 dot road and that is a highway and then finally Bonnie Bray street and that is also a primary

1581
02:13:57,060 --> 02:14:03,140
 arterial uh it is not designed arterial standards yet it is under it will be going under construction

1582
02:14:03,140 --> 02:14:09,420
 shortly and we'll we'll talk about that um in in a subsequent slide. Uh so let's talk

1583
02:14:09,420 --> 02:14:17,140
 about that Bonnie Bray project. This is this is the the schematic of of of the future roadway

1584
02:14:17,140 --> 02:14:23,260
 that is adjacent to the subject property so uh north is this direction and the subject

1585
02:14:23,260 --> 02:14:31,180
 site is is uh in this location right here. As I mentioned um it will require the um

1586
02:14:31,180 --> 02:14:36,540
 the uh reconstruction of Bonnie Bray will uh change it from from what it is today to

1587
02:14:36,540 --> 02:14:43,300
 a uh four lane divided road uh two lanes going north and two lanes going south. It will connect

1588
02:14:43,300 --> 02:14:49,420
 to highway 77 south of the subject property so uh Bonnie Bray will no longer be adjacent

1589
02:14:49,420 --> 02:14:53,380
 to the subject property but will track a little bit to the south of it and that will be a

1590
02:14:53,380 --> 02:14:58,020
 signalized intersection there so as part of the Bonnie Bray project there will be a traffic

1591
02:14:58,020 --> 02:15:04,060
 signal at Bonnie Bray and highway 77. There are also pedestrian improvements associated

1592
02:15:04,060 --> 02:15:10,340
 with this project. A six foot sidewalk is uh proposed uh near the subject property on

1593
02:15:10,340 --> 02:15:15,380
 the west side of Bonnie Bray and then a ten foot shared use path will be on the east side

1594
02:15:15,380 --> 02:15:24,140
 so that will be able to accommodate bicycles as well as pedestrians. The applicant submitted

1595
02:15:24,140 --> 02:15:29,420
 a traffic impact analysis for the project and it has been reviewed and approved by engineering.

1596
02:15:29,420 --> 02:15:36,700
 It is anticipated to uh to uh generate about 2200 daily trips. That's 144 morning peak

1597
02:15:36,700 --> 02:15:43,420
 and then 176 evening peak. There is adequate capacity to serve this development um within

1598
02:15:43,420 --> 02:15:50,260
 the studied intersections except for that intersection at Bonnie Bray and highway 77

1599
02:15:50,260 --> 02:15:55,940
 and it is anticipated that um with build out conditions and the background traffic uh regardless

1600
02:15:55,940 --> 02:16:01,020
 of this development that intersection will not function at at an adequate level of level

1601
02:16:01,020 --> 02:16:06,140
 of service uh within the next few years. So that's why uh with that capital project they

1602
02:16:06,140 --> 02:16:12,060
 are adding that signal. The TIA um concluded that that signal will smooth out that intersection

1603
02:16:12,060 --> 02:16:17,500
 and and our engineering folks have reviewed it and and um and agreed with that assessment.

1604
02:16:17,500 --> 02:16:26,100
 Uh highway 77 on highway 77 they are all are also proposing to modify this uh median um

1605
02:16:26,100 --> 02:16:32,220
 adjacent to the main entrance of the subject property to allow that protected left turn

1606
02:16:32,220 --> 02:16:37,340
 so that those residents who are are aiming to turn left into the subject property can

1607
02:16:37,340 --> 02:16:43,540
 go ahead and get out of the um the uh travel lanes and be able to turn into the subject

1608
02:16:43,540 --> 02:16:51,220
 property. Uh it while it is near North Lakes Park it's one of our regional parks it um

1609
02:16:51,220 --> 02:16:56,340
 it is just about a mile from that park so it really is not within our 10 minute walk

1610
02:16:56,340 --> 02:17:03,020
 to a park boundary. Uh you can see that um I've kind of shown you what that future walk

1611
02:17:03,020 --> 02:17:11,900
 or biking um uh pathway will be to the North Lakes Park facility. But the applicant is

1612
02:17:11,900 --> 02:17:19,860
 proposing those on-site recreational amenities uh both private and public. Notification was

1613
02:17:19,860 --> 02:17:26,180
 sent out uh we have not received any uh responses and staff recommends approval as it complies

1614
02:17:26,180 --> 02:17:32,060
 with the criteria for approval. Um the applicant is here to answer questions and I'll be happy

1615
02:17:32,060 --> 02:17:39,100
 to answer any questions as well. Thank you Julie. Uh Commissioner Smith. Thank you Chair.

1616
02:17:39,100 --> 02:17:47,260
 Um on regular multifamily the owner maintains the roads. Horizontal multifamily does it

1617
02:17:47,260 --> 02:17:52,260
 carry the same the same thing? It does. It's not it's not it's not a city street like you

1618
02:17:52,260 --> 02:17:57,640
 would with like a what you would normally see in a duplex or a you know a bunch of little

1619
02:17:57,640 --> 02:18:01,100
 small homes something like that. It's still be maintained by the property owner just like

1620
02:18:01,100 --> 02:18:05,900
 normal multifamily would be. You're absolutely correct. This will be a um a gated community

1621
02:18:05,900 --> 02:18:11,100
 and so those would all be while they sort of function as streets within the development

1622
02:18:11,100 --> 02:18:15,740
 they are private drive aisles so they would be maintained by the by the property owner.

1623
02:18:15,740 --> 02:18:19,820
 Gotcha. Now I don't remember seeing it in the presentation but did you put in there

1624
02:18:19,820 --> 02:18:27,380
 in some of the criteria aligning why this zoning change made sense for the Flume Business

1625
02:18:27,380 --> 02:18:35,740
 Innovation? Uh given the the surrounding residential especially the residential to the south um

1626
02:18:35,740 --> 02:18:41,140
 it's it's really our analysis that um those secondary uses that are embedded within business

1627
02:18:41,140 --> 02:18:46,420
 innovation that those make more sense in this location that we don't really anticipate a

1628
02:18:46,420 --> 02:18:55,100
 more employment type use um or uh or in in this given that adjacency for the residential

1629
02:18:55,100 --> 02:18:59,980
 to the south. So this makes sense in this location and I believe there's room within

1630
02:18:59,980 --> 02:19:09,940
 the future land use map to accommodate that. Okay. Commissioner Pruitt. Thank you chair.

1631
02:19:09,940 --> 02:19:15,380
 Uh I sorry this just occurred to me and I don't see capital projects or traffic around

1632
02:19:15,380 --> 02:19:22,700
 but um I recall at the 2019 bond discussions there was talk of extending Bonnie Bray up

1633
02:19:22,700 --> 02:19:29,340
 to meet 288 to have some sort of interchange up there. Um do you have any information about

1634
02:19:29,340 --> 02:19:35,860
 that and how that might affect the the circulation at that intersection of 77 and Bonnie Bray?

1635
02:19:35,860 --> 02:19:40,300
 Let me let me share my screen and make sure I'm I'm sure I think we can probably find

1636
02:19:40,300 --> 02:20:03,820
 a map that find it. Um are you talking about this this leg right here? Yeah I think it

1637
02:20:03,820 --> 02:20:09,380
 was termed as phase seven perhaps of the Bonnie Bray project something like that yeah. It's

1638
02:20:09,380 --> 02:20:15,620
 my understanding and Haley may may know more than me that right now that that um section

1639
02:20:15,620 --> 02:20:21,740
 is not a part of Bonnie Bray and I don't know of the timing for that. I do remember I do

1640
02:20:21,740 --> 02:20:26,860
 remember those discussions but I don't think we're there yet and Haley I don't know if

1641
02:20:26,860 --> 02:20:37,180
 you know anything further. There we go. Technical difficulties. Uh no that is my understanding

1642
02:20:37,180 --> 02:20:40,540
 as well that the current bond package just goes through phase five which I believe gets

1643
02:20:40,540 --> 02:20:45,020
 us up to this point. I don't believe there's plans uh for the the northern leg of that

1644
02:20:45,020 --> 02:20:55,380
 okay that have been accommodated for. Thank you. Julie is there any walkability to the

1645
02:20:55,380 --> 02:21:05,060
 high school um that would be in the near future in this area? I mean I guess eventually down

1646
02:21:05,060 --> 02:21:10,500
 Bonnie Bray if that's what we would want them to do but is there any on the west side? Um

1647
02:21:10,500 --> 02:21:18,120
 on the so on on this area right here. Yeah I mean is there any way to get to the high

1648
02:21:18,120 --> 02:21:25,420
 school from um I would think I think we probably will. Engineering has been talking with city

1649
02:21:25,420 --> 02:21:31,260
 council as well as well as the neighborhood just to the west of of the high school and

1650
02:21:31,260 --> 02:21:36,540
 I don't know what the conclusion was of those discussions but I think it's probably information

1651
02:21:36,540 --> 02:21:40,860
 we can bring back to y'all because I know there's been a lot of discussion. There there

1652
02:21:40,860 --> 02:21:46,260
 are um there are sidewalks planned for Bronco Way so Bronco Way will have sidewalks as well

1653
02:21:46,260 --> 02:21:53,040
 as Bonnie Bray. Um I believe there there may be something happening in this this area but

1654
02:21:53,040 --> 02:21:58,900
 I just I couldn't say for sure. It just seems with what we what we have um well proposed

1655
02:21:58,900 --> 02:22:06,300
 here and then the the the other single family development happening that we need to provide

1656
02:22:06,300 --> 02:22:10,820
 a safe way for these kids to walk to school. They're right there but you know walking

1657
02:22:10,820 --> 02:22:18,760
 down Bonnie Bray is not the way to go. Um so okay um I would love future discussion

1658
02:22:18,760 --> 02:22:24,620
 on this. Yes ma'am. Um okay thank you. I do not see any other questions. Um this is a

1659
02:22:24,620 --> 02:22:29,060
 public hearing. I do have a couple of cards here and I believe they are applicant cards

1660
02:22:29,060 --> 02:22:43,060
 to speak so I will call up um Matt Lucas. Hi there. If you will state your name and

1661
02:22:43,060 --> 02:22:48,860
 address your time will begin. Thank you. Good evening commissioners. Uh Matt Lucas um 13

1662
02:22:48,860 --> 02:22:57,580
 4455 Noelle Road in Dallas. Um I'm the lead consultant. Um I work for Kimley Horn. Um

1663
02:22:57,580 --> 02:23:03,740
 and uh this is my baby. Um we've been working on this project since November. Um actually

1664
02:23:03,740 --> 02:23:10,700
 brought it forward um as a zoning zoning compliance plan and um received some feedback after we

1665
02:23:10,700 --> 02:23:15,380
 prepared that that it needed to go through the PD to fit the use um because it didn't

1666
02:23:15,380 --> 02:23:20,780
 fit straight in the multi penalty so um it's been a minute been some frustrating moments

1667
02:23:20,780 --> 02:23:25,460
 at times you know I mean as you work through a process but uh Julie's been great and um

1668
02:23:25,460 --> 02:23:31,300
 I really think that we've got a um a better quality product in product here um was working

1669
02:23:31,300 --> 02:23:37,140
 with staff so really appreciate that. Um and so I'll just um I'm not going to belabor too

1670
02:23:37,140 --> 02:23:41,020
 many points. Julie did a great job kind of being very thorough. Um so I'm just going

1671
02:23:41,020 --> 02:23:44,860
 to add a little color. Um we've got some renderings in here that I want to just highlight that

1672
02:23:44,860 --> 02:23:49,580
 I think will kind of highlight and give you an idea of what the community will feel like.

1673
02:23:49,580 --> 02:23:55,500
 So um first um just uh thank you for your time this evening and want to uh talk a little

1674
02:23:55,500 --> 02:23:59,660
 bit about um you keep hearing Christopher Todd communities um and then you'll see Taylor

1675
02:23:59,660 --> 02:24:06,260
 Morrison uh throughout the the project and so Christopher Todd communities uh is a luxury

1676
02:24:06,260 --> 02:24:11,860
 uh single store rental community developer. They're based out of Arizona. They've got

1677
02:24:11,860 --> 02:24:15,300
 eight communities on the ground with four more upcoming. So they really know what they're

1678
02:24:15,300 --> 02:24:21,740
 doing in this space and they have teamed up with Taylor Morrison who is a uh national

1679
02:24:21,740 --> 02:24:26,100
 home builder um who builds quality product and to the question earlier about whether

1680
02:24:26,100 --> 02:24:30,540
 this can be manufactured homes uh it will not be manufactured homes. It will be built

1681
02:24:30,540 --> 02:24:33,940
 to the quality and the standard that Taylor Morrison builds in their single family uh

1682
02:24:33,940 --> 02:24:42,020
 projects. Um and so what we're really talking about is uh this single store rental and uh

1683
02:24:42,020 --> 02:24:47,860
 we are seeking uh renters by choice which really means um to kind of put it plainly

1684
02:24:47,860 --> 02:24:53,240
 this is a product that's a cross between a multifamily product and a single family product.

1685
02:24:53,240 --> 02:24:58,860
 So on the single family side you get your private backyards um you don't have neighbors

1686
02:24:58,860 --> 02:25:05,100
 that are um below you and above you and unless you're living in a single family duplex building

1687
02:25:05,100 --> 02:25:10,060
 which has two units to the building you don't have anybody beside you. Um so each unit has

1688
02:25:10,060 --> 02:25:15,580
 a 10 foot deep backyard by the width of the unit um and where we're able we also have

1689
02:25:15,580 --> 02:25:21,700
 some oversight yards which is actually accounts for about 20% of the units um or the homes

1690
02:25:21,700 --> 02:25:28,980
 within the development. So um you know what makes Christopher Todd communities um different

1691
02:25:28,980 --> 02:25:35,260
 is is the amenities that come with the name. So it's stuff like the private backyard uh

1692
02:25:35,260 --> 02:25:41,340
 the smart home technology that's in every unit the pet friendly environment um at your

1693
02:25:41,340 --> 02:25:47,420
 interface within the unit uh you have the ability to uh see your ring doorbell to control

1694
02:25:47,420 --> 02:25:53,580
 your environment to when you have a visitor or package arrive uh you have access to to

1695
02:25:53,580 --> 02:26:02,180
 to the gate uh with video um and you also have access to 24/7 uh maintenance. In addition

1696
02:26:02,180 --> 02:26:09,060
 to that you have your uh resort style amenities that you would have at most class a multifamily

1697
02:26:09,060 --> 02:26:14,620
 projects so you have this amenity uh this great pool um this is actually a picture of

1698
02:26:14,620 --> 02:26:20,060
 a pool in Phoenix ours um you'll see in a later rendering um but you get the community

1699
02:26:20,060 --> 02:26:26,780
 and the social spaces the amenities including the dog park the pool the barbecue area the

1700
02:26:26,780 --> 02:26:33,220
 fitness center um and you know really spacious fitness center with a yoga studio um we have

1701
02:26:33,220 --> 02:26:39,140
 as Julie uh highlighted we have a lot of social and get community gathering spaces throughout

1702
02:26:39,140 --> 02:26:45,060
 the development um that we'll talk talk about here this is just a picture one of our oversized

1703
02:26:45,060 --> 02:26:50,020
 backyards don't pay too much attention to the building elevation this is uh a phoenix

1704
02:26:50,020 --> 02:26:55,980
 project um our building elevations as you've seen and you'll see here shortly um right

1705
02:26:55,980 --> 02:27:01,380
 now are a lot um nicer than maybe what they've seen in the past in the phoenix project so

1706
02:27:01,380 --> 02:27:08,380
 um uh we have masonry um throughout um that does include a cementious hardy board which

1707
02:27:08,380 --> 02:27:14,140
 we think is a really attractive uh and and long-term product um but we do have three

1708
02:27:14,140 --> 02:27:20,260
 distinct elevations for the single family um or the duplex and three for the um the

1709
02:27:20,260 --> 02:27:25,620
 single family two bedroom units this is a rendering uh 3d rendering of the unit itself

1710
02:27:25,620 --> 02:27:32,820
 so you see uh just spacious open concept you have stainless steel appliances you have an

1711
02:27:32,820 --> 02:27:39,860
 island uh you have a you know double vanity walk-in closet everything that anybody wants

1712
02:27:39,860 --> 02:27:45,700
 uh in a single family home um you have and of course the direct connection to your backyard

1713
02:27:45,700 --> 02:27:50,820
 with a lot of natural light coming in the back very similar elevations on the two bedrooms

1714
02:27:50,820 --> 02:27:58,460
 just three distinct elevations uh three distinct looks um and again a similar layout for the

1715
02:27:58,460 --> 02:28:04,380
 two bedroom unit that has two full baths and it integrates the uh second bedroom at the

1716
02:28:04,380 --> 02:28:11,220
 front of the unit here um then the fun part you know how how do we take the chris for

1717
02:28:11,220 --> 02:28:17,820
 talk community's uh framework um their standards that they've set and apply it to a community

1718
02:28:17,820 --> 02:28:25,020
 and um you know so we're 316 units 100 are the one bedroom homes and 206 the two bedroom

1719
02:28:25,020 --> 02:28:34,900
 homes um and this is what you're getting um this is a bird's eye view although i was corrected

1720
02:28:34,900 --> 02:28:39,820
 by millennial this is the drone's eye view um some of the terminology has changed um

1721
02:28:39,820 --> 02:28:47,740
 so really enhanced entry centerpiece is the amenity complex with the pool um which to

1722
02:28:47,740 --> 02:28:54,540
 highlight that you know we've got um drive in you've got a great view through the pool

1723
02:28:54,540 --> 02:29:00,620
 um really gives you that just resort feel as you drive in leasing center on the right

1724
02:29:00,620 --> 02:29:05,300
 on the left is your fitness center um and then you've got your barbecue area and your

1725
02:29:05,300 --> 02:29:12,860
 club space that's um back behind the leasing center on the right um julie highlighted connectivity

1726
02:29:12,860 --> 02:29:17,180
 so i won't continue to beat the dead horse but you know very similar maps if you compared

1727
02:29:17,180 --> 02:29:22,740
 ours to hers is highlighting uh many of the the orange the vehicular connectivity which

1728
02:29:22,740 --> 02:29:30,020
 also has um an enhanced kind of streetscape feel and so to give you an idea of what that

1729
02:29:30,020 --> 02:29:35,300
 feels like um this is the main boulevard that runs north south this is standing basically

1730
02:29:35,300 --> 02:29:41,220
 at the dog park on the south side looking north um streets lining the trees or lining

1731
02:29:41,220 --> 02:29:46,520
 the streets sidewalks on both sides to really enhance the north south connectivity and you

1732
02:29:46,520 --> 02:29:52,220
 also have that along the drives on the east west in addition to that the blue areas um

1733
02:29:52,220 --> 02:29:58,820
 just to highlight the pedestrian only connectivity we've got three what i'll call kind of spines

1734
02:29:58,820 --> 02:30:05,300
 running east west the two orange uh areas and then the purple that runs down the middle

1735
02:30:05,300 --> 02:30:12,660
 those vary from 15 to 30 feet wide um and um the experience is is something like this

1736
02:30:12,660 --> 02:30:20,020
 you know we have seating areas that are going to be uh around i guess spaced in um uh regularly

1737
02:30:20,020 --> 02:30:27,000
 throughout the area um two sidewalks down this 30 foot uh linear open space and and

1738
02:30:27,000 --> 02:30:32,460
 really gives a great feel um for those living in the community and be able to um you know

1739
02:30:32,460 --> 02:30:38,340
 take your dog for a walk go for a jog um whatever you want to do um and gather with the community

1740
02:30:38,340 --> 02:30:45,420
 so um to highlight a little bit more those gathering spaces each of the orange and the

1741
02:30:45,420 --> 02:30:50,180
 purple stars they're a little bit um hard to see because they're you know kind of through

1742
02:30:50,180 --> 02:30:56,100
 the middle plus the yellow stars we have um uh if you include the dog parks i think we

1743
02:30:56,100 --> 02:31:04,180
 have 31 uh we'll call community gathering spaces which um you know is roughly one space

1744
02:31:04,180 --> 02:31:11,140
 per 10 10 homes um which which is really impressive and i think sets a really high bar for this

1745
02:31:11,140 --> 02:31:17,180
 type product and sets a even you know i think it holds you know holds a lot of other multifamily

1746
02:31:17,180 --> 02:31:23,580
 projects um you know i think we could beat them hand in hand for the amount of uh community

1747
02:31:23,580 --> 02:31:29,220
 gathering space and backyards that we provide in our community

1748
02:31:29,220 --> 02:31:34,940
 this is what one of those uh gathering spaces the yellow uh stars around the around the um

1749
02:31:34,940 --> 02:31:41,580
 uh project would look like um we've got seating areas shade trees um a larger paving area

1750
02:31:41,580 --> 02:31:47,820
 um great for you know doing yoga gathering with your neighbors so um and then we've of

1751
02:31:47,820 --> 02:31:55,600
 course got the uh 21 of units having oversized backyards um in our community as well and

1752
02:31:55,600 --> 02:32:00,700
 i know i'm short on time we do have a short video i'll kind of leave it up to y'all deal

1753
02:32:00,700 --> 02:32:05,580
 it kind of gives the feel of one of our communities in phoenix would love to hit play i don't know

1754
02:32:05,580 --> 02:32:09,660
 if sound works or not but you can at least kind of see um you know some of the open spaces

1755
02:32:09,660 --> 02:32:12,580
 in some of the minis is that something that y'all be interested in playing it's just a

1756
02:32:12,580 --> 02:32:18,020
 few minutes long go ahead and play okay all right please thank you hopefully it'll work

1757
02:32:18,020 --> 02:32:39,540
 here um well um i guess uh i guess it's not gonna not gonna cooperate cooperate with us

1758
02:32:39,540 --> 02:32:49,320
 um well apologize about that that's okay thank you for joining yeah of course um and then

1759
02:32:49,320 --> 02:32:54,700
 just uh kind of you know sum it all up here's the community kind of all in one slide so

1760
02:32:54,700 --> 02:33:02,580
 i'm happy to answer any questions uh you might have

1761
02:33:02,580 --> 02:33:10,500
 thank you man commissioner smith thank you chair um can you give me kind of a rough estimate

1762
02:33:10,500 --> 02:33:13,420
 of what you think the economics on this project are going to be i was looking at some of your

1763
02:33:13,420 --> 02:33:18,420
 properties while you're presenting out in arizona and you're looking at most of the rentals

1764
02:33:18,420 --> 02:33:24,180
 out there somewhere between 2000 to 2400 a month what are the economics you're really

1765
02:33:24,180 --> 02:33:29,220
 projecting for this or at least the applicants projecting for this i know you're the engineer

1766
02:33:29,220 --> 02:33:34,500
 so sure yeah and i asked that question earlier and did get the information so um our one

1767
02:33:34,500 --> 02:33:42,620
 bedrooms would rent for 1300 uh a month and then the two bedrooms would be uh 1710 okay

1768
02:33:42,620 --> 02:33:48,940
 so very very comparable to um i think comparing it to local rent rental rates for multifamily

1769
02:33:48,940 --> 02:33:54,780
 projects uh i think we're a little bit higher than the mark um i think there's another um

1770
02:33:54,780 --> 02:34:00,020
 kind of class a that we're very comparable to kind of in that same range um now it's

1771
02:34:00,020 --> 02:34:05,740
 kimmy horn been involved in this project that they that that christopher todd has done down

1772
02:34:05,740 --> 02:34:15,340
 in garland as well uh no um not in garland um actually christopher todd i don't have engineer

1773
02:34:15,340 --> 02:34:20,900
 on that first one um but uh but i do know it's under construction okay and sunday patel

1774
02:34:20,900 --> 02:34:24,740
 with taylor morton's here if you've got any specific questions related to that yeah okay

1775
02:34:24,740 --> 02:34:28,580
 no i don't i just wanted to know what your experience was from the engineer side of how

1776
02:34:28,580 --> 02:34:33,820
 that how that's gone on so far well and and i will say um uh if questions related what

1777
02:34:33,820 --> 02:34:40,500
 kind of experience we have um we we we do um a pretty good amount of these around dfw

1778
02:34:40,500 --> 02:34:47,900
 um and and have um by far this is my my favorite project we've worked on so far um what's that

1779
02:34:47,900 --> 02:34:56,620
 well um it really embodies um the uh really the community aspect more than a lot of other

1780
02:34:56,620 --> 02:35:03,420
 projects do um there was a um just a a lot of thought that went through um just the shape

1781
02:35:03,420 --> 02:35:09,100
 and form of the vehicular connectivity and the block structure and the pedestrian connectivity

1782
02:35:09,100 --> 02:35:15,620
 um that sometimes we don't get to really dive into uh some of that was um through the the

1783
02:35:15,620 --> 02:35:20,860
 the denting process and working with initially sean and then julie um to to really enhance

1784
02:35:20,860 --> 02:35:25,380
 the product um and i think just the amount of community gathering spaces in this in this

1785
02:35:25,380 --> 02:35:32,220
 project is going to it really makes it special got thank you commissioner anderson hey first

1786
02:35:32,220 --> 02:35:36,220
 thanks for coming out and doing the showing the presentation that kind of shows off your

1787
02:35:36,220 --> 02:35:40,500
 product i think i actually i think it's really kind of a neat little product yeah i think

1788
02:35:40,500 --> 02:35:44,220
 uh i think it's a lot better than having all this vertical stuff we got going on these

1789
02:35:44,220 --> 02:35:50,620
 days and um it gives the people a sense of not ownership but something that they can

1790
02:35:50,620 --> 02:35:56,060
 call a home instead of just an apartment but uh just a just a room to live in right yeah

1791
02:35:56,060 --> 02:35:59,420
 yeah no i think it's really good but i do have a couple quick i mean since there are

1792
02:35:59,420 --> 02:36:03,740
 only 10 yards are you going to put is it going to be tariff or is going to be real grass

1793
02:36:03,740 --> 02:36:08,620
 in the yards uh i think we're toying around with whether it's turf or grass at this point

1794
02:36:08,620 --> 02:36:14,100
 um right now we're expecting it to be grass um with um one one shade tree in the backyard

1795
02:36:14,100 --> 02:36:18,740
 okay and the fences that separate the yards are they going to be vinyl or metal fencing

1796
02:36:18,740 --> 02:36:24,260
 uh we're actually uh proposing right now the thought process is doing wood fence on on

1797
02:36:24,260 --> 02:36:29,380
 this project itself okay no but uh anyway i just hope to see this project get approved

1798
02:36:29,380 --> 02:36:32,580
 and uh look forward to seeing i think it's really a neat concept excellent well thank

1799
02:36:32,580 --> 02:36:39,820
 you thank you commissioner mr lucas i don't see any other questions thank you for joining

1800
02:36:39,820 --> 02:36:44,980
 us thank you very much appreciate you have another card uh wishing to speak jack dawson

1801
02:36:44,980 --> 02:36:57,180
 okay it does say here that you are in support of the project okay this is a public hearing

1802
02:36:57,180 --> 02:37:03,740
 i don't have any other cards in front of me but is there anyone here wishing to speak

1803
02:37:03,740 --> 02:37:09,580
 is there anyone on the phone wishing to speak no ma'am okay thank you with that i will close

1804
02:37:09,580 --> 02:37:18,140
 the public hearing and open the floor for discussion or a motion see commissioner anderson make

1805
02:37:18,140 --> 02:37:25,380
 a motion to approve commissioner villarreal i second okay we have a first and a second

1806
02:37:25,380 --> 02:37:32,060
 to approve this item is there any discussion

1807
02:37:32,060 --> 02:37:37,140
 commissioner smith thank you chair um while i'm not necessarily against this project i

1808
02:37:37,140 --> 02:37:41,860
 think that i do want to just and i'll probably vote for the project because i think it is

1809
02:37:41,860 --> 02:37:48,020
 a good one but i would like to maybe just make it known to the commission that if you

1810
02:37:48,020 --> 02:37:55,300
 look at this location and where this multifamily property let's call what it is is located

1811
02:37:55,300 --> 02:38:02,300
 we are going to be compounding on top of more residential development there with no real

1812
02:38:02,300 --> 02:38:09,240
 access to any type of retail services any type of grocery stores anything else that

1813
02:38:09,240 --> 02:38:15,020
 is not but further down bonnie braid down to razor ranch now it's not that far of a

1814
02:38:15,020 --> 02:38:17,780
 drive when you start talking about the other developments that have been approved there

1815
02:38:17,780 --> 02:38:23,380
 already and the new high school being there now a lot of those developments that are already

1816
02:38:23,380 --> 02:38:28,620
 coming in have been approved by this commission been voted on by this commissioner but when

1817
02:38:28,620 --> 02:38:32,820
 you take a look at this business innovation and you go through and you read what the flume

1818
02:38:32,820 --> 02:38:38,500
 actually says about business innovation i might and julie i love you but i might disagree

1819
02:38:38,500 --> 02:38:46,040
 with you in that i don't think i see secondary benefits that you mentioned and be and business

1820
02:38:46,040 --> 02:38:50,980
 innovation being referenced there that it's office parks flexible use spaces supporting

1821
02:38:50,980 --> 02:38:55,460
 company retail and services allowed by right accessible parks development there should

1822
02:38:55,460 --> 02:39:02,220
 be transit routes development should be near near existing residential areas not development

1823
02:39:02,220 --> 02:39:07,620
 should be residential areas and that the flume says it's business innovation this intersection

1824
02:39:07,620 --> 02:39:13,140
 of 77 and 288 is really and it's already currently zoned for is really kind of a primed

1825
02:39:13,140 --> 02:39:19,220
 area for some commercial uses and so it gives me concern i think the product is great it's

1826
02:39:19,220 --> 02:39:22,940
 nothing whatsoever on taylor morrison and if you guys haven't gone look at the website

1827
02:39:22,940 --> 02:39:28,160
 that crisper todds got out there i mean it's they they really are great great projects

1828
02:39:28,160 --> 02:39:33,180
 but we are setting a precedent by doing something like this that uh that that we could end up

1829
02:39:33,180 --> 02:39:37,540
 be tying that entire didn't high school development all that new high school coming in there around

1830
02:39:37,540 --> 02:39:43,440
 there into a tight spot of not really allowing those systems to have commercial and retail

1831
02:39:43,440 --> 02:39:51,100
 uses they may want so i just want to make that known thank you commissioner smith commissioner

1832
02:39:51,100 --> 02:39:58,540
 purit thank you chair you know i share some of the concerns as commissioner smith the

1833
02:39:58,540 --> 02:40:02,500
 when you talk about building neighborhoods right you need something there other than

1834
02:40:02,500 --> 02:40:08,140
 houses for it to be a neighborhood in this case there there is some undeveloped land

1835
02:40:08,140 --> 02:40:15,420
 to the west of here and who knows how that will progress so maybe there's a way to to

1836
02:40:15,420 --> 02:40:23,580
 integrate something like that in the future we don't know you know i think uh when we

1837
02:40:23,580 --> 02:40:26,580
 think about neighborhoods and these types of developments that we've seen a couple of

1838
02:40:26,580 --> 02:40:38,420
 so far start having a discussion about what the pros and cons are between treating it

1839
02:40:38,420 --> 02:40:44,620
 like a multifamily development where you sort of go out of your way to segment it off from

1840
02:40:44,620 --> 02:40:50,820
 surrounding properties versus trying to integrate it into those neighborhoods now in this particular

1841
02:40:50,820 --> 02:40:55,500
 case our hands are a little bit tied because the the property to the south as commissioner

1842
02:40:55,500 --> 02:41:01,780
 ellis stated was proved i believe it was under the 2002 zoning code that doesn't require

1843
02:41:01,780 --> 02:41:10,580
 any external connectivity to to adjacent properties so you know for this one it kind of is what

1844
02:41:10,580 --> 02:41:22,620
 it is um and you know i i guess i yeah it's at the same time it's a um it's a good product

1845
02:41:22,620 --> 02:41:28,060
 you know it'll provide homes for people we need homes of different sizes for people to

1846
02:41:28,060 --> 02:41:34,140
 live in um and and so i i guess i i share some of the concerns and i just hope that

1847
02:41:34,140 --> 02:41:40,580
 the projects in this region will spur some more um non-residential development in the

1848
02:41:40,580 --> 02:41:48,220
 future thank you i think those are great points commissioners and possibly um this is near

1849
02:41:48,220 --> 02:41:53,500
 this whole small area plan that we've had this discussion so those would be great points

1850
02:41:53,500 --> 02:41:58,420
 um you know when we do get that started off the ground um yeah and just a few thoughts

1851
02:41:58,420 --> 02:42:04,540
 on this this is really exciting to have um such a new and and um unique product really

1852
02:42:04,540 --> 02:42:08,820
 available for for us i think it's i think it's a great thing for the city honestly and

1853
02:42:08,820 --> 02:42:24,940
 and um um yeah i'm i'm excited so let's uh take a vote on the board

1854
02:42:24,940 --> 02:42:37,820
 that motion carries seven zero congratulations uh public hearing 5d z21 0005b cameron robertson

1855
02:42:37,820 --> 02:42:57,460
 good evening commissioners let me just share my screen real quick oops i apologize um and

1856
02:42:57,460 --> 02:43:05,340
 cameron excuse me i will open the public hearing i failed to do that thank you um so this is

1857
02:43:05,340 --> 02:43:10,100
 the rezoning so just to give some background um this originally went in front of planning

1858
02:43:10,100 --> 02:43:17,940
 and zoning commission on june 23rd 2021 it was a requested rezoning of 0.326 acres from

1859
02:43:17,940 --> 02:43:25,460
 mixed use neighborhood mn and residential four r4 districts to a residential six district

1860
02:43:25,460 --> 02:43:30,740
 there was no public meeting held at the time and there was one property property in favor

1861
02:43:30,740 --> 02:43:36,820
 this was voted six zero to approve the rezoning this was then presented to city council on

1862
02:43:36,820 --> 02:43:42,140
 august 3rd with the recommendation of approval at least three members of the council indicated

1863
02:43:42,140 --> 02:43:47,500
 that they were in favor of an mn rezoning instead of r6 rezoning and i do just want

1864
02:43:47,500 --> 02:43:53,540
 to note that city city council can approve a change of rezoning that is more restrictive

1865
02:43:53,540 --> 02:44:00,700
 after pnz gives their recommendation and because of this recommended rezoning um and it allowed

1866
02:44:00,700 --> 02:44:07,140
 more uses that was why it was remanded back to pnz for further input so other members

1867
02:44:07,140 --> 02:44:11,740
 also during that city council hearing um did indicate that they wanted to hear more from

1868
02:44:11,740 --> 02:44:17,060
 the neighborhood regarding that proposed development development so as i stated it was remanded

1869
02:44:17,060 --> 02:44:20,880
 back to planning and zoning commission which asked for a neighborhood meeting to take place

1870
02:44:20,880 --> 02:44:27,220
 before that as well as review under a proposed mn district that meeting did take place on

1871
02:44:27,220 --> 02:44:33,100
 monday august 23rd 2021 at the mlk junior recreation center with approximately 20 members

1872
02:44:33,100 --> 02:44:39,420
 of the community in attendance so the new request is for a rezoning of 0.326 acres from

1873
02:44:39,420 --> 02:44:47,820
 the mn and r4 to an mn district the property has been vacant since 1984 during that public

1874
02:44:47,820 --> 02:44:52,340
 meeting we learned the applicant did learn that it was home to the first black owned

1875
02:44:52,340 --> 02:44:59,380
 service station in denton and that property is currently surrounded by mn r4 our residential

1876
02:44:59,380 --> 02:45:06,260
 three and public facilities districts so just to briefly cover the 2002 zoning map where

1877
02:45:06,260 --> 02:45:13,180
 i was originally that split um rmu and that nr4 and then that current zoning map with

1878
02:45:13,180 --> 02:45:19,700
 that mn and r4 split and then the proposed zoning map which shows that mn so we do have

1879
02:45:19,700 --> 02:45:25,300
 our general approval criteria which i'll just be focusing on points three and eight and

1880
02:45:25,300 --> 02:45:29,380
 then we do have the zoning criteria for approval which i'll be focusing on points one five

1881
02:45:29,380 --> 02:45:35,660
 and six so the site is designated low residential which is intended for new development up to

1882
02:45:35,660 --> 02:45:41,940
 four dwelling units per acre it is organized remote walkability access to parks open space

1883
02:45:41,940 --> 02:45:49,060
 recreation amenities and neighborhood serving retail so the mn is typically not consistent

1884
02:45:49,060 --> 02:45:54,100
 with the future land use map however this does continue that existing zoning pattern

1885
02:45:54,100 --> 02:45:58,460
 that i previously showed on the slides it does permit a variety of lower intensity housing

1886
02:45:58,460 --> 02:46:02,980
 types and does that provide an opportunity to create neighborhood serving retail in the

1887
02:46:02,980 --> 02:46:07,740
 future and it is within walking distance of fred moore park the fred moore high school

1888
02:46:07,740 --> 02:46:13,740
 and child care center as well as claris kitchen it does serve as that transition between the

1889
02:46:13,740 --> 02:46:18,580
 low residential area to the south and that downtown compatibility area just to the north

1890
02:46:18,580 --> 02:46:23,500
 and it does further our goal to promote a compact development pattern through infill

1891
02:46:23,500 --> 02:46:30,700
 development so the mn is consistent with that surrounding zoning and development pattern

1892
02:46:30,700 --> 02:46:36,900
 that currently exists the existing land use pattern along robertson street is mixed use

1893
02:46:36,900 --> 02:46:40,780
 there is infill development would provide that variety of housing options as i stated

1894
02:46:40,780 --> 02:46:44,940
 and serve as a transition between that single family neighborhood to the south and that

1895
02:46:44,940 --> 02:46:50,460
 mixed use and downtown transition areas along robertson into the north and it does provide

1896
02:46:50,460 --> 02:46:55,860
 the opportunity to develop future mixed use and film as you can see on the map there's

1897
02:46:55,860 --> 02:47:02,220
 a couple buildings highlighted or circled in blue and those are two duplexes and two

1898
02:47:02,220 --> 02:47:07,940
 fourplexes currently located within 650 feet or less of the subject property and there

1899
02:47:07,940 --> 02:47:12,620
 is no direct vehicular connection to the neighborhood to the south except along robertson street

1900
02:47:12,620 --> 02:47:19,260
 and the development would be required to conform with current site design standards just quickly

1901
02:47:19,260 --> 02:47:23,620
 go over the public facilities and services in terms of transportation and there would

1902
02:47:23,620 --> 02:47:30,340
 be two total morning peak hour trips and four evening peak hour trips it could generate

1903
02:47:30,340 --> 02:47:35,500
 approximately one elementary student it is located approximately 0.4 miles from fred moore

1904
02:47:35,500 --> 02:47:41,540
 park there are public water and wastewater services that are available to the site and

1905
02:47:41,540 --> 02:47:46,040
 the nearest fire station is approximately 0.6 miles within that eight minute or less

1906
02:47:46,040 --> 02:47:51,020
 response time boundary and as you can see on this conceptual site plan it does show

1907
02:47:51,020 --> 02:47:58,380
 currently a proposed fourplex there was public outreach done we did newspaper and property

1908
02:47:58,380 --> 02:48:04,060
 post property postings and there as i stated there was a neighborhood meeting held on august

1909
02:48:04,060 --> 02:48:10,260
 twenty-third there were mill notices and there was response in favor located at 521 robertson

1910
02:48:10,260 --> 02:48:16,320
 street as you can see shown on the map so staff is recommending approval of the request

1911
02:48:16,320 --> 02:48:23,220
 of rezoning as it applies with our criteria in sections 2.4.5 e as well as 2.72 d of the

1912
02:48:23,220 --> 02:48:31,340
 den development code and i can stand for any questions thank you cameron are there any

1913
02:48:31,340 --> 02:48:44,140
 questions commissioner mcday thank you chair i need you to go back to the map where you

1914
02:48:44,140 --> 02:49:02,340
 showed the fourplexes and the the duplex okay if i'm not mistaken i believe the one on the

1915
02:49:02,340 --> 02:49:09,900
 corner of carls timbers and meal is a two story correct okay because i was actually

1916
02:49:09,900 --> 02:49:16,020
 at the at the august twenty-third meeting there was a lot of misunderstanding so i took

1917
02:49:16,020 --> 02:49:22,700
 liberty to actually talk to the people on robertson street to let them actually know

1918
02:49:22,700 --> 02:49:29,100
 what was being planned and they were highly not in favor of it because the the one that's

1919
02:49:29,100 --> 02:49:33,660
 on the corner of mill and cost him his years ago when someone who actually lived in the

1920
02:49:33,660 --> 02:49:40,740
 neighborhood tried to have its own for that the city of the community came together and

1921
02:49:40,740 --> 02:49:46,860
 it was denied so the owner ended up selling the property and an outsider came in and bought

1922
02:49:46,860 --> 02:49:56,860
 it and years later there it is you know so it was like if we denied our own in our neighborhood

1923
02:49:56,860 --> 02:50:03,120
 how can an outsider come in and they're pretty much in the whole then they pretty much get

1924
02:50:03,120 --> 02:50:06,740
 what they want when they come into that neighborhood no matter how much they fight and how much

1925
02:50:06,740 --> 02:50:12,900
 they you know stand up for it it always gets it always gets approved so when i was actually

1926
02:50:12,900 --> 02:50:17,340
 talking to the the neighbors i was telling them about you know hey we have the meetings

1927
02:50:17,340 --> 02:50:24,180
 you have the public hearing and the only thing they were saying is it's a waste of time no

1928
02:50:24,180 --> 02:50:30,140
 matter what we do and no matter what we say it comes down to seven people who don't have

1929
02:50:30,140 --> 02:50:35,380
 any interest in in in our neighborhood so we pretty much will whatever's going to happen

1930
02:50:35,380 --> 02:50:40,300
 we figure it's going to happen and i'm trying to let them know that hey you do still have

1931
02:50:40,300 --> 02:50:46,180
 a voice and i'll do whatever i can but i mean i was one of the six that actually approved

1932
02:50:46,180 --> 02:50:50,500
 it but that was my first day on the board and when i actually got into it and started

1933
02:50:50,500 --> 02:50:55,500
 talking to the community they were like you know you know you're going to learn hey you

1934
02:50:55,500 --> 02:51:01,620
 know whatever whatever salvage didn't doesn't want we're going to get it anyway and i'm

1935
02:51:01,620 --> 02:51:05,820
 trying to get them out of that mindset because that's something that they never wanted in

1936
02:51:05,820 --> 02:51:11,220
 the neighborhood and it was approved and now another one's coming and they feel like no

1937
02:51:11,220 --> 02:51:16,860
 matter what they do or what they say it's going to come anyway so i'm trying to get

1938
02:51:16,860 --> 02:51:22,460
 them to understand that hey you know you still have a voice the city still cares but they're

1939
02:51:22,460 --> 02:51:28,500
 just under the understanding that no matter what we do or what we say it's going to happen

1940
02:51:28,500 --> 02:51:33,140
 so why waste our time waste our energy to come up to a public hearing when we already

1941
02:51:33,140 --> 02:51:40,980
 know what the outcome is going to be thank you commissioner mcday did um that was a discussion

1942
02:51:40,980 --> 02:51:48,940
 you had when it wasn't uh proposed an r6 zoning did you discuss this mn zoning or or that

1943
02:51:48,940 --> 02:51:54,420
 was the neighborhood meeting was the mn zoning a lot of them don't you know when you start

1944
02:51:54,420 --> 02:51:58,500
 getting to the r4s and r6s that they have no idea because most of the people on that

1945
02:51:58,500 --> 02:52:05,580
 street i hate to say it they're they're over 85 years old the youngest one is 83 so they

1946
02:52:05,580 --> 02:52:13,220
 really don't understand so they're opposed to uh their concern was the um the the four

1947
02:52:13,220 --> 02:52:21,420
 plex that was being talked about they had a problem with a with a one story but a two

1948
02:52:21,420 --> 02:52:26,180
 story just like what's on the corner of a meal and customers they fought for that to

1949
02:52:26,180 --> 02:52:33,900
 be denied and it was granted anyway they want the neighborhood to look the same and not

1950
02:52:33,900 --> 02:52:39,620
 just you have single single family homes and then you have a out of nowhere you have it

1951
02:52:39,620 --> 02:52:47,540
 you have a two story do a two story four plex did they have any um thoughts on um non-residential

1952
02:52:47,540 --> 02:52:55,380
 uses i know because i could say that property's been vacant since 1984 with exactly a gas

1953
02:52:55,380 --> 02:53:02,620
 station and nothing's ever been put there so it wasn't until uh they came forward that

1954
02:53:02,620 --> 02:53:09,100
 they even thought about it being a residential hill but it's always been a commercial or

1955
02:53:09,100 --> 02:53:12,580
 i don't know the actual zoning i'm afraid but it's always been a gas station there so

1956
02:53:12,580 --> 02:53:15,940
 i don't know what the actual zoning for that is but that's what they've always figured

1957
02:53:15,940 --> 02:53:25,740
 it to be and they never thought about it being residential okay um okay um are there any

1958
02:53:25,740 --> 02:53:33,900
 other questions for cameron um the i just wanted to note that the applicant is here

1959
02:53:33,900 --> 02:53:37,740
 if you do have specific questions for the applicant they can come down and speak okay

1960
02:53:37,740 --> 02:53:45,540
 thank you um commissioner pruett does have a question yeah thank you um so that we can

1961
02:53:45,540 --> 02:53:52,220
 get a context of building scale and that sort of thing could you describe um what the difference

1962
02:53:52,220 --> 02:53:57,900
 in height either just in a number of stories i guess maybe easiest to grasp uh between

1963
02:53:57,900 --> 02:54:06,180
 r4 and r6 or mn with a with a uh a four plex type of structure so the four plex would be

1964
02:54:06,180 --> 02:54:12,740
 able to have its same height whether it was in r6 or mn that doesn't matter the mn just

1965
02:54:12,740 --> 02:54:18,820
 gives the capability to have that commercial in the future if it is wanted um and if it's

1966
02:54:18,820 --> 02:54:24,860
 you know sought after um on that property um so there is no differentiating height um

1967
02:54:24,860 --> 02:54:28,580
 the four plex would still be two stories whether it was in the r6 and it would still be two

1968
02:54:28,580 --> 02:54:32,780
 stories if it was in the mn and if it was kept at r4 and somebody built a single family

1969
02:54:32,780 --> 02:54:39,900
 home there how how tall could that be um hayley do you have yeah um so all of our residential

1970
02:54:39,900 --> 02:54:45,300
 districts permit up to 40 feet in height um mn as you may recall from a one of the sups

1971
02:54:45,300 --> 02:54:49,300
 a couple of weeks ago they can go up to 40 feet by right if they go above that it requires

1972
02:54:49,300 --> 02:54:55,340
 that sup um to go up to 65 so it would be consistent across the board okay thank you

1973
02:54:55,340 --> 02:55:07,180
 um okay haley can i get a little bit more clarity on that so that would be with r4 r6

1974
02:55:07,180 --> 02:55:12,820
 the height is the same correct they're all 40 feet um for single for single family that's

1975
02:55:12,820 --> 02:55:15,740
 typically measured if it's like a pitched roof it goes to the midpoint of the pitched

1976
02:55:15,740 --> 02:55:22,340
 roof it's a flat roof it goes to the the top of the roof line okay um and with mn so mn

1977
02:55:22,340 --> 02:55:27,620
 allows um up to 65 feet in height you can go up to 40 feet by right so same as the single

1978
02:55:27,620 --> 02:55:35,100
 family districts if you go above 40 feet between 41 and 65 triggers an sup requirement okay

1979
02:55:35,100 --> 02:55:43,780
 thank you uh commissioner smith oh you were on the board okay okay um is there any other

1980
02:55:43,780 --> 02:55:51,500
 question for staff thank you camera um this is a public hearing does the applicant wish

1981
02:55:51,500 --> 02:56:01,660
 to speak i don't have a card for you but you're welcome to come down if you could come to

1982
02:56:01,660 --> 02:56:10,900
 the microphone do we have questions for the applicant i i do if you wouldn't mind if you

1983
02:56:10,900 --> 02:56:15,340
 could state your name and address for the record please good evening my name is steve

1984
02:56:15,340 --> 02:56:21,820
 homer i'm with homer engineering we're the civil engineer on this particular project

1985
02:56:21,820 --> 02:56:27,440
 i'm trying to get some clarity how we ended up back um to to where we are um and hoping

1986
02:56:27,440 --> 02:56:32,900
 that you can maybe shed a little bit of light on that um i know your desire has been to

1987
02:56:32,900 --> 02:56:41,740
 build um a residential use on this site yes ma'am i'm trying to understand how we um

1988
02:56:41,740 --> 02:56:50,100
 unfolded to where it's back to us um as a mixed use site which would could be a lot

1989
02:56:50,100 --> 02:56:55,340
 of other things other than a residential use right as miss robertson indicated you know

1990
02:56:55,340 --> 02:57:01,980
 we we came to staff um looking at mn originally um because it was already on the property

1991
02:57:01,980 --> 02:57:08,580
 uh we discussed that with staff staff came back and said you know they thought r6 would

1992
02:57:08,580 --> 02:57:13,700
 be an appropriate use uh that use or that district allowed for the use that we were

1993
02:57:13,700 --> 02:57:23,580
 proposing so we we decided to go forward with the r6 um that was presented to the pnz previously

1994
02:57:23,580 --> 02:57:31,500
 then when it made its way to council council had some concerns that by changing it to r6

1995
02:57:31,500 --> 02:57:36,820
 they would eliminate the ability to potentially have a commercial use at that location so

1996
02:57:36,820 --> 02:57:44,660
 they ask us to come back with an mn and also to meet with the the community which didn't

1997
02:57:44,660 --> 02:57:50,940
 occur to prior to the previous meeting uh and so that's kind of how we ended up back

1998
02:57:50,940 --> 02:57:59,940
 where we are tonight asking for mn basically at the request of the city council and were

1999
02:57:59,940 --> 02:58:06,220
 the mn uses or anything discussed with the neighborhood at the at the neighborhood meeting

2000
02:58:06,220 --> 02:58:11,380
 or was it mainly yeah we talked about the different uses there when we first had the

2001
02:58:11,380 --> 02:58:15,820
 meeting there was a little bit of concern uh from the from the neighborhood uh and i

2002
02:58:15,820 --> 02:58:20,940
 think it was primarily because they didn't understand how the process was taking place

2003
02:58:20,940 --> 02:58:25,300
 they felt that that by changing the zoning it was actually going to change the zoning

2004
02:58:25,300 --> 02:58:30,480
 on their property and we told them no that's not the case this is just strictly the particular

2005
02:58:30,480 --> 02:58:36,420
 piece of property in question um there was a lot of discussion it's probably 45 minutes

2006
02:58:36,420 --> 02:58:42,100
 to an hour maybe of discussion uh and then at the conclusion of the meeting i felt that

2007
02:58:42,100 --> 02:58:49,540
 the majority of the uh the neighborhood was in support of what we were doing um so tonight

2008
02:58:49,540 --> 02:58:54,220
 to hear that there was a little bit of opposition to that um was a little bit of a surprise

2009
02:58:54,220 --> 02:59:03,060
 to me okay yeah and my concern is is um with this being brought back to us as an mn i'm

2010
02:59:03,060 --> 02:59:11,100
 not sure that the community wouldn't be further confused um because this this discussion you

2011
02:59:11,100 --> 02:59:16,500
 know has always been about a residential use um to me driving by the property it it should

2012
02:59:16,500 --> 02:59:21,940
 be a residential use in my opinion um with the way that property sits and and and what

2013
02:59:21,940 --> 02:59:27,500
 it's surrounded by um okay thank you for and and cameron may correct me if i'm wrong but

2014
02:59:27,500 --> 02:59:32,060
 i thought there was some of the neighbors that they wanted to keep the potential for

2015
02:59:32,060 --> 02:59:38,020
 commercial use um available should that change come up in the future if somebody wanted to

2016
02:59:38,020 --> 02:59:45,000
 do something different um but uh like it had been indicated you know the um site's been

2017
02:59:45,000 --> 02:59:50,740
 vacant for almost 36 years and so it hasn't been commercial it hasn't been residential

2018
02:59:50,740 --> 02:59:56,660
 uh and so now my client is coming forward wanting to build a uh a fourplex at this location

2019
02:59:56,660 --> 03:00:02,580
 so we feel that's a good use potentially for this site okay thank you for for sharing that

2020
03:00:02,580 --> 03:00:06,500
 um commissioner mcdade yeah thank you yeah i just wanted to clarify you know that that

2021
03:00:06,500 --> 03:00:13,820
 there were quite a few people who were in favor but one thing we i had to consider was

2022
03:00:13,820 --> 03:00:20,860
 the majority of the people who were in favor don't live anywhere near where you want to

2023
03:00:20,860 --> 03:00:26,320
 build a property i actually went to the people on robertson street okay and they were the

2024
03:00:26,320 --> 03:00:32,860
 ones who were opposed to the four to the fourplex because uh actually when it was brought to

2025
03:00:32,860 --> 03:00:37,940
 my attention and they brought up the names i'm like you know miss and mr so-and-so they

2026
03:00:37,940 --> 03:00:43,700
 live almost two miles away so i didn't really take into what they had to say i wanted to

2027
03:00:43,700 --> 03:00:48,480
 hear from the people who was actually going to be affected by the move and they were the

2028
03:00:48,480 --> 03:00:54,100
 ones who i took to heart and those are the ones that i listened to about being in opposition

2029
03:00:54,100 --> 03:01:04,140
 of the of the building site thank you thank you thank you for coming down um so um i'll

2030
03:01:04,140 --> 03:01:07,740
 just put a little more clarity on what we're discussing here so this is a zoning change

2031
03:01:07,740 --> 03:01:14,940
 so um the request is to change the zoning to mn so we're really not talking about a

2032
03:01:14,940 --> 03:01:21,420
 specific project although that's what a lot of the discussion ends up becoming um anyway

2033
03:01:21,420 --> 03:01:28,100
 i just wanted to put that out there and i will um ask one more time if there's anyone wanting

2034
03:01:28,100 --> 03:01:36,460
 to speak at this public hearing is there anyone on the phone no ma'am okay thank you i will

2035
03:01:36,460 --> 03:01:40,700
 then close the public hearing and open the floor to the commission for discussion or

2036
03:01:40,700 --> 03:01:48,220
 a motion uh commissioner smith i'm going to make a motion to approve as an r6 zoning and

2037
03:01:48,220 --> 03:01:53,980
 not an mn um i think that as there's been a lot of discussion i know city council shot

2038
03:01:53,980 --> 03:01:59,060
 this down and legal can weigh in on this mac um city council can go ahead and they can

2039
03:01:59,060 --> 03:02:04,420
 they can vote to approve a more strict zoning than what is recommended is that correct if

2040
03:02:04,420 --> 03:02:09,000
 we recommended r6 a second time and they said well that's cool we gave you we remanded back

2041
03:02:09,000 --> 03:02:13,300
 to you but we're we don't agree we're gonna do mn they can still they can still do that

2042
03:02:13,300 --> 03:02:17,860
 they don't have to remand it back to us again correct that's correct they can approve less

2043
03:02:17,860 --> 03:02:23,280
 than 10 okay and we as a commissioner are allowed to zone down in intensity in our motion

2044
03:02:23,280 --> 03:02:30,160
 okay then uh yeah i'll make a motion to to approve for an r6 i don't think that setting

2045
03:02:30,160 --> 03:02:35,540
 up a zoning for an area regardless of a project um i don't think setting up a zoning for an

2046
03:02:35,540 --> 03:02:43,300
 area for mixed use that opens up a residential area for you know non-residential uses is

2047
03:02:43,300 --> 03:02:49,380
 intelligent whether that is for uses that are going to be used six months from now and

2048
03:02:49,380 --> 03:02:52,540
 then especially if it's uses that they're talking about that possibly 20 years from

2049
03:02:52,540 --> 03:02:56,700
 now could be done if there's a project 20 years from now that needs an mn and they're

2050
03:02:56,700 --> 03:03:02,100
 tearing down some other project that was residential previously they can come back for the rezoning

2051
03:03:02,100 --> 03:03:07,340
 sounds like it's it's it looks like a residential area it fits a residential area i'm sad that

2052
03:03:07,340 --> 03:03:10,820
 the commission even had to spend the time to go through and look at this again this

2053
03:03:10,820 --> 03:03:16,260
 is an r6 zoning as flat as it can be so that is my motion okay we have a motion on the

2054
03:03:16,260 --> 03:03:25,860
 floor um to recommend to city council to rezone the property to an r6 designation i'm going

2055
03:03:25,860 --> 03:03:32,780
 to go ahead and second that um i i i just don't understand how we got to this point

2056
03:03:32,780 --> 03:03:40,460
 um i'm not willing to um put an mn zoning here um and open up that site to those other

2057
03:03:40,460 --> 03:03:46,460
 uses i i do think a residential um property belongs here i thought that the first time

2058
03:03:46,460 --> 03:03:55,660
 around that that the proposal to r6 made sense here um if for whatever reason um the applicant

2059
03:03:55,660 --> 03:04:01,540
 decides not to it's zoned r6 it can remain a residential use which i believe is the best

2060
03:04:01,540 --> 03:04:08,980
 use at this time for the property um so with that i will open the floor for discussion

2061
03:04:08,980 --> 03:04:18,140
 commissioner prudit thank you um mac i didn't quite hear if if we were to recommend an r6

2062
03:04:18,140 --> 03:04:23,580
 zoning are you saying that the council would have the opportunity to approve anything r6

2063
03:04:23,580 --> 03:04:28,100
 or below or anything as it was noticed to mn or below they'd still be able to consider

2064
03:04:28,100 --> 03:04:31,940
 the mn because that's what it's posted for so they could still consider that okay such

2065
03:04:31,940 --> 03:04:36,980
 as they have the ability to zone down to an r6 because it's less intense than the mn okay

2066
03:04:36,980 --> 03:04:47,820
 thank you um i i would like to move an amendment um to recommend r7 zoning instead of r6 um

2067
03:04:47,820 --> 03:04:56,520
 i think when when we look at this street right robertson um across the street right there's

2068
03:04:56,520 --> 03:05:03,920
 already uh four parcels i think that are mn right it's a collector street um it it has

2069
03:05:03,920 --> 03:05:11,980
 some history of some neighborhood retail and to me if if our if mn is too crazy for us

2070
03:05:11,980 --> 03:05:17,620
 to think about that a neighborhood might want neighborhood retail then r7 seems like a a

2071
03:05:17,620 --> 03:05:25,920
 clear um it's designed for that right it it has the ability to have some neighborhood

2072
03:05:25,920 --> 03:05:32,380
 retail with an sup in the future uh with that said it it pains me that this developer is

2073
03:05:32,380 --> 03:05:37,100
 having to go through all these hoops just because everybody's confused all we're doing

2074
03:05:37,100 --> 03:05:43,260
 is increasing the cost of these homes in the future right um and and i think that really

2075
03:05:43,260 --> 03:05:48,860
 what we're what what's going on seems like we're trying to figure out what this street

2076
03:05:48,860 --> 03:05:55,100
 is going to look like by looking at one little piece of the sidewalk right i think the important

2077
03:05:55,100 --> 03:06:00,760
 thing is how does this neighborhood adapt over the next 20 years and the zoning of this

2078
03:06:00,760 --> 03:06:09,820
 one parcel is not going to determine that right um but i think r7 has um has sort of

2079
03:06:09,820 --> 03:06:15,380
 some elements of it's primarily residential uh it's it's easier and cheaper to adapt it

2080
03:06:15,380 --> 03:06:21,260
 to a neighborhood retail with an sup instead of a full zoning change uh so so that's that's

2081
03:06:21,260 --> 03:06:31,180
 why i'm moving for that so so to clarify i'm i'm moving to amend the motion uh to recommend

2082
03:06:31,180 --> 03:06:45,420
 r7 zoning a non-friendly friendly amendment give me time to consider your friendly amendment

2083
03:06:45,420 --> 03:06:50,900
 so it seems here essentially all the all r7 could possibly do compared to r6 would be

2084
03:06:50,900 --> 03:06:56,100
 open up banking and financial institutions it does open up open up multi-family both

2085
03:06:56,100 --> 03:07:13,580
 those by sup um that really the the the commercial pieces that you reference is there anything

2086
03:07:13,580 --> 03:07:17,980
 you can give me other than i guess i see now general retail space less than 5000 square

2087
03:07:17,980 --> 03:07:25,740
 feet laundry facility self-services so a few things um i'll accept the friendly amendment

2088
03:07:25,740 --> 03:07:31,460
 okay i'm going to withdraw my second on that because this opens up exactly why i didn't

2089
03:07:31,460 --> 03:07:36,260
 want to go mn i don't think that commercial use if that's something in the future that

2090
03:07:36,260 --> 03:07:40,340
 this is going to be then we can discuss it and whoever's sitting on pnz at that time

2091
03:07:40,340 --> 03:07:51,780
 can discuss a zoning change in my opinion commissioner sienna fergans planning director

2092
03:07:51,780 --> 03:07:57,580
 hopefully you can hear me through the mask yes um with the suggestion to change to r7

2093
03:07:57,580 --> 03:08:01,860
 miss sigurski i'm going to put you on the spot here do we know do the development standards

2094
03:08:01,860 --> 03:08:06,420
 of the r7 district would that accommodate the development proposal to do the duplex

2095
03:08:06,420 --> 03:08:13,540
 to do the fourplex design or um cameron um to be able to accommodate them um my concern

2096
03:08:13,540 --> 03:08:18,260
 is that if we move forward with r7 and the development standards of the r7 district do

2097
03:08:18,260 --> 03:08:22,460
 not work for the applicant with the product that they're proposing for their development

2098
03:08:22,460 --> 03:08:27,580
 plan i don't want to set them up for failure um on with the consideration of this district

2099
03:08:27,580 --> 03:08:35,180
 so hence why i'm sure deferring to my staff on those standards so absolutely so the um

2100
03:08:35,180 --> 03:08:39,380
 the development standards are roughly identical um it does allow for a smaller minimum lot

2101
03:08:39,380 --> 03:08:44,460
 size i don't know given the size of the overall property that that could open it up for subdivision

2102
03:08:44,460 --> 03:08:48,420
 uh but setbacks building height all of those would still be the same okay thank you for

2103
03:08:48,420 --> 03:09:01,320
 clarifying commissioner smith did you have a comment yeah i actually wanted to um backtrack

2104
03:09:01,320 --> 03:09:06,020
 and say that i spoke too soon i didn't i didn't have a chance to think about it and as soon

2105
03:09:06,020 --> 03:09:11,460
 as i said it i i want to change it i i do i i want to reject your friendly amendment

2106
03:09:11,460 --> 03:09:20,660
 i do want to keep it as r6 so my apologies so your motion on the floor is r6 no friendly

2107
03:09:20,660 --> 03:09:27,020
 amendment i will put my second back there and do we have further discussion commissioner

2108
03:09:27,020 --> 03:09:35,380
 pruett yeah thank you um i just want to clarify and see if if staff concurs um commissioner

2109
03:09:35,380 --> 03:09:41,460
 ellis i think you you said that it would open it up to uh neighborhood retail uses i believe

2110
03:09:41,460 --> 03:09:47,860
 all of those maybe with the exception of professional office uh would require an sup so it would

2111
03:09:47,860 --> 03:09:54,860
 still come back before this body if if that was desired is that correct yes but an sup

2112
03:09:54,860 --> 03:10:01,900
 is not the way to zone property okay and sup is in place so that that um the project can

2113
03:10:01,900 --> 03:10:08,940
 be scrutinized it's not necessarily to to deny a use per se um it's just not um in my

2114
03:10:08,940 --> 03:10:24,580
 opinion a way to zone property i i don't think that and an r7 belongs here at this time okay

2115
03:10:24,580 --> 03:10:32,700
 so uh so i guess my my motion for amendment uh is failing for a second is that accurate

2116
03:10:32,700 --> 03:10:41,540
 see if there's a second because he still has made the motion for the for the r7 if there's

2117
03:10:41,540 --> 03:10:45,580
 a second for that is there a second for the friendly amendment to it's not friendly this

2118
03:10:45,580 --> 03:10:58,460
 one just an amendment amendment to the motion to an r7 i see none for that so we will move

2119
03:10:58,460 --> 03:11:06,540
 forward with the motion on the floor as presented is there any discussion

2120
03:11:06,540 --> 03:11:11,580
 commissioner villarreal i just want to start off by thanking commissioner mcday for doing

2121
03:11:11,580 --> 03:11:18,380
 that outreach to the folks in that community i know sometimes folks aren't willing especially

2122
03:11:18,380 --> 03:11:23,220
 in marginally marginalized communities such as that to go forward to some of these public

2123
03:11:23,220 --> 03:11:28,540
 meetings so i do want to thank you for that i do agree that leaving it up to a leaving

2124
03:11:28,540 --> 03:11:35,660
 at an mn designation or an r7 is leaving too much up to up to chance there and we should

2125
03:11:35,660 --> 03:11:43,060
 abide by the community's decision here and and zone it to an r6 so i'm in favor of the

2126
03:11:43,060 --> 03:11:52,660
 current motion thank you and i will just say um yeah i still don't truly understand how

2127
03:11:52,660 --> 03:11:58,100
 we got back here and i am sorry that things have been delayed for you um thank you for

2128
03:11:58,100 --> 03:12:11,100
 your patience um with that i'll call for a vote on the board

2129
03:12:11,100 --> 03:12:21,060
 the motion carries a seven zero that moves us to our final item planning and zoning matrix

2130
03:12:21,060 --> 03:12:29,340
 i will turn it over to hayley if there's any discussion there microphone does not like

2131
03:12:29,340 --> 03:12:36,820
 me tonight so we don't have any council updates since our last meeting we will be continuing

2132
03:12:36,820 --> 03:12:41,700
 with our planning boot camp series next week covering platting so we're going to work through

2133
03:12:41,700 --> 03:12:44,920
 somebody else's request to provide some more concrete examples of some of those reasons

2134
03:12:44,920 --> 03:12:49,260
 for denial and as well as going over just kind of the planning process to make sure

2135
03:12:49,260 --> 03:12:55,900
 everyone's up to speed i did want to mention in light of the discussion earlier with strip

2136
03:12:55,900 --> 03:13:01,420
 annexation and i just wanted to see if there's any appetite for that to be a future training

2137
03:13:01,420 --> 03:13:06,420
 or boot camp topic related to annexation kind of past history where we are now where current

2138
03:13:06,420 --> 03:13:11,380
 legislation leaves us so if that's something that you all are interested in we can certainly

2139
03:13:11,380 --> 03:13:15,300
 put that together as well as coming back with some more detail related to y'all's inquiries

2140
03:13:15,300 --> 03:13:21,580
 about strip annexation as part of ron's presentation in two weeks so yeah i think that's a great

2141
03:13:21,580 --> 03:13:29,420
 idea because i know things have changed greatly absolutely is there anything anyone wants

2142
03:13:29,420 --> 03:13:38,260
 to add to the matrix commissioner pruett yeah i guess i it's really more of a question to

2143
03:13:38,260 --> 03:13:47,600
 the rest of the commission whether there's appetite to discuss some of the more ways

2144
03:13:47,600 --> 03:13:54,940
 that these horizontal multifamily i guess that it was described tonight could could

2145
03:13:54,940 --> 03:14:00,100
 go forward in the city in the future we've had two projects like this already it sounds

2146
03:14:00,100 --> 03:14:05,300
 like there may be some more i'm just just wondering if other members would be interested

2147
03:14:05,300 --> 03:14:12,420
 in a discussion like that commissioner smith yeah i would be uh i think outside of just

2148
03:14:12,420 --> 03:14:19,460
 the comments that i made about that specific area and as as chair alice said the the need

2149
03:14:19,460 --> 03:14:24,260
 for a small area plan for that area i think those types of developments really should

2150
03:14:24,260 --> 03:14:31,100
 be looked more at as as an infill and as a density builder for a density needed or rich

2151
03:14:31,100 --> 03:14:36,900
 areas not as fringe area developments as kind of like that project that we approved tonight

2152
03:14:36,900 --> 03:14:42,180
 is once again great project but i'd love to be able to see more research just having not

2153
03:14:42,180 --> 03:14:46,540
 have a lot of familiarity with those types of horizontal multifamilies just more research

2154
03:14:46,540 --> 03:14:53,540
 about where that came from uh different uh different i don't know um code enforcements

2155
03:14:53,540 --> 03:14:58,540
 that we see across state of texas and even in other communities outside of texas where

2156
03:14:58,540 --> 03:15:03,020
 those are done and just some examples of where that makes sense from a development and planning

2157
03:15:03,020 --> 03:15:08,540
 scenario because i i think they're a cool hip chic thing to develop i think that they're

2158
03:15:08,540 --> 03:15:13,580
 just they have a specific market in a specific location so i would agree with commissioner

2159
03:15:13,580 --> 03:15:18,420
 prove it then i would say add it to the matrix and we should have a discussion absolutely

2160
03:15:18,420 --> 03:15:22,100
 and just so you all know i believe there's at least two more of those in the q s pds

2161
03:15:22,100 --> 03:15:26,700
 that will be coming up uh in the near future so we've not seen the last of that topic

2162
03:15:26,700 --> 03:15:36,780
 yet very good anything else for the matrix okay in conclude oh commissioner cold future

2163
03:15:36,780 --> 03:15:43,500
 one's coming thank you try to think there is another proposed along bonnie bray that

2164
03:15:43,500 --> 03:15:51,900
 i believe julie is working with um and then there is one that shawn's working on at 380

2165
03:15:51,900 --> 03:15:57,300
 and marshal i believe is the cross street that's what i okay that's what i thought thank

2166
03:15:57,300 --> 03:16:02,940
 you familiar with that one okay in concluding i'll just say congratulations to vice chair

2167
03:16:02,940 --> 03:16:09,820
 smith will be nice to have you right back at you thank you and um i will welcome once

2168
03:16:09,820 --> 03:16:15,500
 again commissioner villarreal thank you for your service and welcome aboard and with that

2169
03:16:15,500 --> 03:16:22,220
 i will adjourn our meeting at 8 45 pm thank you everyone