May 07, 2018 City Council on 2018-05-07 11:00 AM

with the Denton City Council and Denton Independent School District a board of trustees it is Monday May the 7th 2018 it is 1108 a.m. I want to go ahead and call to order the City Council portion of this this meeting we do have a quorum and we're all present. I'll turn it over to the school board. And I'm welcome again and I would like to call to order the Denton ISD board we do have a quorum as well thank you Mayor Watts. I'll turn it back over to you. Oh okay great well then we'll move on through our work session items we just did work session item 1a do y'all want to go by and introduce each other or everybody or okay let's do that we'll start over here. I'm Doug Chadwick with the Denton Independent School District. Barbara Burns, Denton Independent School District. Dorothy Martinez, I'm VP of the Denton Independent School District. Board of Trustees. I'm Jim Alexander, Dean Dye's VP. I'm Ben Lawson Superintendent of Schools and Mayor Watts, while I have your attention we have a consultant who's in traffic for the first time on the agenda so it's okay when we can flip theirs and mine and I'll go first. Okay you've been that'll work? Yep all right. Okay and I'm Mia Price and I'm the president of the board of trustees. Chris Watts, Mayor, City. Morning, Brian Langley, Deputy City Manager. Dr. Gregory, Denton City Council. Dr. Doug, Denton City Council . Sarah Baghery, Denton City Council. Gerard Hutzpeth, City Council. John Ryan, Denton City Council. Healy Briggs, City Council, District 2. All right thank you all very much so we're gonna take agenda item 1c first is that correct? Yes, on your agenda it's 1c on ours I think it's number 3. Okay all right. Receive report and hold discussion on the Fast Growth School Coalition and its efforts in legislation . It's still good morning and I wanted to bring this our school district has has been involved with this work for quite some time I'm also the the chair the president of the Fast Growth School Association for the state of Texas and so having this opportunity to share this with the city is a is a big privilege for me because a lot of folks don't recognize the economic impact that school districts have across the state and what that looks like so I'm going to take you through a little bit of our report that we've been working on for quite some time. In order to be a fast growth school district means you have to have at least 2,500 students during the previous enrollment new enrollment at least 20 or enrollment of at least 2,500 students in the previous year and enrollment growth at least at least 10 years 10% of the last five years or a net increase of 3,000 students. Okay so 10% of our enrollment is about 200 kids we've been growing about 800 kids to put that in perspective 800 kids is approximately a new school a year we've built 11 schools in 10 years interestingly enough not one of those is in the city of Denton because the district boundaries go quite much further than the city of Denton to over 15 different communities and municipalities so that's the criteria to be a fast growth school district. There are 75 school districts across the state that are designated as fast growth. The fast growth schools have about a third of all the students there 's 5.4 million students in the state about a third of those are in fast growth districts and almost 80% of the new student enrollment growth fall into fast growth school so people are moving into certain areas of the state. Interestingly enough if you had a map of the state of Texas and you do a triangle from Dallas Austin Houston and back up and you that's about where the area the triangle is where the fast growth districts are the top the triangle with a couple of things out in West Texas Austin San Antonio area Houston area and then north. If you overlaid the economic stimulation money that the state uses to recruit businesses to our state with that map it's exactly the same so the money that the state's putting in to bring business into the state is driving people into our school districts and that's where this number comes from. From 2000 to 2014 there was approximately 33.1 billion dollars invested into construction projects in fast growth districts new schools new classrooms additional additional opportunities for students. The total economic impact of that was 70 billion dollars the average jobs created a year 26,800 labor income at 24.7 billion and business sectors impacted 500 plus so when new schools are being constructed and being built those dollars that come from our local community to build those facilities actually go back to the jobs are created in our community that go back to our local businesses and to our different pieces and this is just the construction side not the additional teachers bus drivers counselors nurses librarians all those kinds of things. I'm giving you the statewide impact first I'm gonna drill it all the way back down to the Denton level so you'll see that towards the end. Here's the housing market you can see at this graph that premium paid on homes for the right school district the gray is 1.5 percent above budget the yellow is they wouldn't surpass budget you can see that a 25% of people will spend 5% of their of their or above of their budget to be in the right school district another 10 6 to 10 percent so you see that almost half or over half will spend more than 5% and then 11 to 20 percent will spend about 9% more to be in the right school system and this is a from the National Center for Education Statistics real tor.com by looking at the prices that are paid for homes in these school districts. As much as regional benefits school districts the school districts themselves are critical drivers for local economic growth they make Texas more competitive for business when people want to relocate to our state they want to know about the workforce the workforce development pieces what that means to local schools and and how we prepare that they make Texas more attractive to young families if you've ever been to a newer development that has entry-level homes the the the families itself and the residents are usually younger families with with younger children. Take our developments around W.S. Ryan Elementary School right now Teasley trails those are all younger families that then look for for other places to grow into their homes as they as they mature they start in a smaller home and they they move on to the next thing and then the next thing they strengthen local housing markets I mean we all know what the real estate has done here in our area recently with regard to homes and home ownership and they improve the quality of life because it provides additional revenues for us to do those things. So impact for implications for economic development strong performing school districts are the top of the list for families looking to relocate putting money into those schools so that families choose to relocate here creates a workforce for businesses that want to hire people and also an opportunity for them to move into the community when they choose to relocate their corporate headquarters or whatever they may have to our area. If a community is not investing in its schools and they can't expect people or businesses to invest in them you have to have good quality schools to produce that workforce and also when people choose to relocate their businesses or their corporations here in order for for them to have a place for their employees to reside they want to be in a quality school system. The fastest growing school districts the districts most in need of new facilities are the same districts that are least likely to fund those projects because the state doesn't give any dollars at all to school construction. However they may give economic impact money to businesses to relocate and then the schools have to come as a part of that there's not any dollars from the state to build those schools or those city roads or some of those things that we have to do here to accommodate that growth. The faster region is growing the more likely its region is at or near the 50 cent debt cap which is where we are. We're at 48 cents we don't anticipate going above 48 cents we're gonna allow the the new property value growth the new things that come on the tax roll to to build our schools for us in that 48 cents. So here's the rising enrollment versus a state aid for school debt. So you look in 992,000 you can see the Texas ISD enrollment was just under four and then as you start to move across you see it goes up over five. In 2000 you can see where the state was where they were contributing for school debt and then you see their their blue line where now it's down below seven percent that the state actually helps school districts pay off those pay off their existing bonds and pay off those funds. If you remember a couple years back our state put in a $25,000 exemption on school property taxes across the state and they they they said all right that's going to reduce $25,000 worth of tax that you can collect to pay off these schools. Now they they did put in a provision that any any bond that you had sold prior to that were exempt from that provision right and so that's the only state assisted money our district gets to build schools is because the state made that $25,000 exemption on property taxes that on values that they make up the difference of what $25,000 would have generated for us since we already had sold those bonds with that assumption. That's the only part we get. So I went over these things Texas schools drive local economic impact in these five primary ways and I want to get to the local impact. So in 15-16 and this data is lag data I can tell you what our enrollment is for 16-17 17-18 but they want to make sure they had it all for everyone across the state. We were at 27-5, five year growth at 14-9 now we're over 29,000 and that percentage continues to to maintain and be about the same. This is our construction cost direct jobs created in that 2000 to 2014 impact of building schools over 4,280 million in labor income creating 732 million in economic activity individual and induced meaning the next level okay creation of 4,600 jobs 265 million in labor income 826 in economic activity for a total of almost 9,000 jobs 5 46 million and then over 1.5 billion economic activity from 2000 to 2014 just in the school construction side of our local community okay. So these dollars go right back into the community on the construction side. Now interestingly enough when you're growing that many students you're also growing teachers right additional bus drivers, counselors, nurses, librarians. Our overall budget 82% of our overall maintenance and operation budget is in people so of the dollars that come into the school district 82% of that goes right back into the into our economy with our teachers and everybody else that goes back into our restaurants our banks our cleaners our businesses so that our people our other local businesses actually have additional commerce. These are the average district wages district is at 56.8 around Texas it's 61 for the US is 76 in our area 28.1% of our people are employment education and health care. This is our student pupil teacher ratio it's 13.8 it's a it's a full one student less we have one student less per teacher than our closest peer group. In other words our class sizes are smaller than our closest peer group. You take all your teachers and divide them by your total number of students you get that 13.86 and then you see instructional spending per pupil down the line. These are the median incomes and again you're looking at the district not just the city from that standpoint what the median family income is and then I'll be happy to answer any questions and having discussion points about the economic impact of school construction. I think councilmember Briggs had a question. Yes. I did actually had a couple of questions first if you could go back to the one with a teacher's salary the 56. Yes. That is I'm assuming before the retirement and insurance is taken out correct. You know I would have to look at it and see exactly what it is and also that may also include things other than teacher. Right. Right like all the way across paraprof essionals teachers nurses counselors librarians principals assistant principals just the average district wages. Can I request an email in more detail on just actual teacher salary and then what that is when the retirement and yes because I know that insurance premiums have risen significantly and so I'm just curious because I was at a Ryan High School event the other day and I looked out and I saw like at least four teachers that live in district 2 that work at the school and so I'm just I'm just really interested because the economic impact you say they directly affect you know small businesses and where their money's go and so I'm just curious how that works out. Sure we can and I could also we have it posted online what the salaries are for every year of experience of a teacher that you can actually see that it doesn't necessarily have the teacher retirement piece in there or the benefits piece in there. Right. It just has what their salary is and then the district contributes another percent towards their teacher retirement system above and beyond that and then the employee contributes a piece to that teacher retirement system out of their salary and then the district also contributes towards their insurance premium and then the employee has to contribute if we were about a hundred dollars short of being able to say that benefits are provided for the employee. A hundred dollars a month short. If an employee takes insurance just for themselves right at the lowest level of insurance possible so when they choose to ensure their their spouse and their children and it goes up from there and we don't we don't even get to control those rates those rates are controlled by the TRS active care. I just had another question you were talking about building schools and that you only get a certain percent that legislature Texas does not contribute to that. Did they pass something recently though where the monies will actually build charter schools now? They do they do have a certain amount of dollars that they will they will fund towards charter schools. Six hundred million dollars in the last biennium was provided to those folks to build charter schools so a hundred a hundred percent of those dollars right now a hundred percent of charter school construction is they have to do that on their own. There won't be any voter authorization there won't be any governmental board oversight to how those dollars are spent it's just if you have a charter and you fit out the application and you meet the criteria the dollars come to you. But not for us? But not for the school districts. Councilmember Gregory and then Councilmember Hussbett. You know on several occasions the city has passed incentives to take part of the property tax sales tax that a business would generate a new business coming to town and reimburse them for some of their development expenses. Right. There's no deduction from their property taxes that go to the school district. Has anybody calculated either on the city side or the school district side those new businesses in the last ten years or so and what kind of economic impact that's had for the school district? You know Dalton we have not but I will tell you that when it comes to participation those agreements our board has has made the decision that number one on the maintenance operation side we can't participate because the way the funding formula works on the debt service side and building of schools those those businesses that come in are what allow us to build the schools frankly. Okay so that's the impact. That's the impact for us. For example last year we had 2,000 home closings in our school district last year. The average sale price was $300,000 that's 600 million dollars in property value growth without one other person in this community having one cent added to their appraisal. Right. That's just residential that doesn't count an embassy suite, an in-and-out, an Academy, a Duluth trading, anything that Peter built any of that. Last year we grew 1.7 billion in in property tax values. The year before that was about 1.4. The year before that was around one. We anticipate it'll be about that same that same thing this year and so that's what allows us to keep that tax rate constant. This will be the fifth year in a row our tax rate has has stayed the same. It's a dollar fifty four and it hasn't changed and the need with these students coming in is is what drives those construction bills. Councilmember Hussbett. Yeah so my request following along with your slide with the reinvestment reinvestment back in those dollars construction dollars coming back. I guess my request or question is how do you track that and do your RFPs give a local preference so stay here, spend here, source here, kind of what is your mechanism to to keep that in the family? Great question. So whenever we work with our construction management risk we talk about making sure our subcontractors as much as we can are local with the exception of making sure that we get the best value for our dollars. We would prefer to keep it all local for example we won't build any of our schools that the bricks aren't made at me right and then we work to find subcontractors that are here in the region. One of the things that's great about going so quickly is you actually have the opportunity to build new schools and have new families coming in. The hard part about growing so quickly is the region is growing so fast that construction dollars continue to rise and increase so we have to work diligently to try to get as best the best bang for your buck so to speak and try to keep it as as local as you can with the subcontractor side so that those folks can provide that. The other part of it is our families take pride in you know doing the drywall in their child's school right and being a person who actually does that. When you go to some of our newer schools for example Rodriguez we had the open house we invited the subcontractors who lived in the district whose kids were going to school there to be a be a part of that and it was amazing that they said you know we hung the glass here we did the we did the the fiber connectivity and so that's that's how we try to make sure those things happen and frankly they end up a lot of those folks once they're here even if they start out not being residents they end up being residents because they're getting all the work is coming here so they they're part of the relocation team that comes to do the work so great question. Mayor Pro Tem and then Councilmember Duff. Quick point of clarification. You mentioned that last year there were 2,000 closings in Denton ISD. Was that new homes ? New homes. Okay. Do you know what the total number of closings is? I imagine Rocky may know that he can talk about that in a second. Total closings? Existing ending? Existing ending. Okay. That'll be in the next report. Next report. Councilmember Duff, do you have a question? Yes. Can you go back to that to your last slide? Not that one. There, that one. You know, I got to look at 28.1% is employment and education and health care. Do you have a breakdown on the rest of it? I can get it for you. The group that did the economic impact study for us, I can have them have them give that to us. For the region. My only thought is that I've listened to this for a long time about how much money is going to actually our teachers and others. And my whole thought is that we need more money going down to the teachers. Because that's what the school is supposed to be doing. Agreed. That's what we need. That's just my thought. That's what we need. And it would be great if that was the only people it took to run the school. I understand. Right? But there's teachers, there's counselors, there's nurses, librarians, there's social workers. There's all those pieces that take care of things so that the teachers can actually instruct the student and make sure that they're learning. Providing a safe environment, school resource officers, security, safety. So I agree with you. It's just like saying that a hospital should only have doctors and nobody else. No, I understand. There's a lot of pieces to that. A lot of people will say only half of your money goes to teachers. Right? Ours is about 53% of ours goes to actual classroom teachers . But if you look at the instructional program and where all that goes, less than 3% of that is to administration. Everything else is bus drivers and custodians and cafeteria workers and all the other pieces that make the school go. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to ask this question in a way that keeps him posted. I'm walking his way over there. You mentioned construction management at risk. And I'm wondering if you have any idea of how many of the past growth schools in the region are using that same method of building new buildings? Because Dick and ISD has been doing that for 18 years. You know, most all of them do. Some do competitive sealed bids. But when you're fast growth, you get on such a pattern of having to have it done really quickly because the students are coming. That the most efficient and effective way to do that is with CM at risk. And this time we have identified five CM at risk that we'll work through with this recent capital project. Because there's so much work to do, we want to make sure we get the very best. And if someone's not living up to their end of the financial efficiencies and accountability pieces, we have other options to choose to use. So we've got five different providers that we'll be using to construct the schools in this next piece. And we'll be awarding those projects after the work goes on . And we can monitor the effectiveness of that. So good question. I don't know exactly how many of them do that, but most all of them do. OK. Thank you. Any questions over here? Good. I think our first agenda item, I think Rocky's here for the demographic. If you want to go ahead and introduce him, Dr. Wilson. OK. You want to come up and get his area. So we work with Templeton demographics that work throughout the region to provide demographic studies for all the local schools and all the different pieces. And so we thought it would be a good opportunity to come in and talk about the growth in the district. And actually the impact of some of the multifamily developments in the city and how that impacts the schools and what the student yield is from that. And have a good discussion about what that might look like. So turn over to Rocky. Pleasure to be here. I'm sorry I got here a little random more traffic for excuse. Anyway, I'm happy to be here right now. And it's a pleasure to work with Denton ISD. We've template graphics has worked with Denton ISD for close to 10 years now, maybe a little longer. We work with school districts throughout Texas, probably about 80 school districts a year. So we're we're pretty we're pretty versed in what's going on in Dallas Fort Worth. So our home. So knowing what we can, we update then ISD on a quarterly basis. So we we give them a housing update each quarter just to kind of help them understand how fast things are going. We'll give them enrollment projections to begin the school year. If the housing market shifts or changes, we we can adjust those projections. This data is pretty much based on the fourth quarter. We actually have our first quarter data that's just now coming out. We were like a week away from presenting it. So I've got a couple of sneak peek numbers like I can share . I can share with you, but they won't actually be in the in the presentation itself. Do I have an advance down there? OK, here we go. So economic conditions is one thing we're always tracking. We're trying to understand what's going on in Dallas, Fort Worth region so we can see what's going on in Denton proper . Again, the the states at you know, we're adding over one hundred thousand jobs in Dallas, Fort Worth on an annual ized basis. It's a 12 month period. That's about twice more than twice from a percentage point. The rest of the country, very active area. We started over thirty three thousand homes during the last twelve months. That's up three thousand from the previous year. And our unemployment rate right now in Denton's at two point six used to be that full employment was considered five percent. And because after that, you kind of got a different labor market. So two point six, very strong unemployment rates right now in the Denton area. We look at home sales and this might be kind of go the question was asked a little bit ago about the number of of homes being sold combined between new and existing. Five thousand nine hundred sixty home sales in 2017. That's Denton ISD based on deed transactions. Thirty two percent of those were new homes. So then you're looking at your average about three thousand . I could do a quick math. A little over three thousand of those are existing homes. So when you talk about new homes versus existing homes, you 're looking at fifty nine hundred sixty total. The new home sale prices averaging two hundred seventy eight thousand in your average existing home prices to sixty nine. So it's pretty tight right there. What's interesting is how much these homes have appreciated since 2010. As you can see, the new home prices have gone from two twelve to two seventy eight since 2010. And an existing home has gone from one seventy six to two sixty nine. Very strong growth. That's a fifty three percent growth there at your existing home. So, again, that's ninety three thousand dollars more than that. That existing home was ten year almost ten years ago. This chart here ranks didn't I see by the number of new home closings in comparison to other school districts. So you can see there that you got Frisco Prosper Northwest and then didn't I SD again over two thousand home starts in eighteen hundred eighty three home closings. I did steal a look at the first quarter report and if we throw in the first quarter data, the didn't didn't starts go up to twenty one fifty six annualized. That's over a hunt over a hundred and the closings jump up to two thousand forty five. The next report that didn't I SD will see for the first quarter will see them skip over to Northwest and be number three in that ranking report. So you can see strong growth over thirty three thousand future lots and twenty six hundred fifty one what BDL and B DL are are bacon developed lots. These are lots are ready to be built on right now. And that's important to understand that's the next where your next it's almost where your next year's growth is going to come from. Rocky, hold on one second. Mayor Watts. Just real quick. Make sure I understood what you said. You said that because there's thirty three thousand future loss, but you have did you say twenty six thousand on the ground like platted ready to go or twenty six fifty one twenty six fifty one. Okay. Okay. Sorry. No, no, no. I'm sorry. That's why I'm one. And just a little more clarification as well. Yeah. This number does include a ropes and ranch in it. So we just does not generate students. But that that includes your total numbers. We do pull that that number out. And if you look at the district, you know, like at these quarterly reports, we pull out the ropes and ranch and any other age restricted communities because they don't really bring students. So from from our perspective, you can see there from a quarterly you can see your annualized your analyzed number there in the fourth quarter. The district started four hundred sixty eight homes and they closed four hundred fifty three. I can tell you the first quarter the district started five hundred and twenty seven homes. And I think three other times in recent history have that many homes started and didn't I SD and they closed in the first quarter five hundred fifty six. So if you look on that chart there, you're not going to see a number higher than five fifty six. So this first quarter of twenty eighteen, there may have been more homes closed and didn't I SD than at any time in recent history. Where where the new home closings are. So this is a chart of the top ten new home closings. Now, you're looking at 80 percent of that's going on out of the three eighty corridor. The darker the color on the chart there, that means there's more closings going on there over three hundred. Then you can see the list there. Paloma, Savannah, Union Park, you can see they're all out on that three eighty corridor ropes and ranches added in there just to just to give you an idea. But you do have the villages, Carmel, Teasley, Trails that are still closing homes. Again, this is where your growth is going to. This is kind of leading us to our projections for next year . Your annual closings. This next chart, vacant develop lots. This is where those vacant develop lots are. This is your next round of growth. This tells us kind of gives us a picture of where the next two to three years of growth will be. Again, you can see that three eighty quarters of pretty much dark red. If you drive out there, you know how active it is. There's a lot going on out there. And you can see that if you look at this element, these top tens, the elementary zones and you know that Paloma, Savannah, Bell, they're all out there on that three eighty corridor. So you can see that continues to be a strong eleven hundred fifty annual closings. Keep in mind that's a you know, that's a little over half of all your closings that are going on right now. Didn't I see your video eighteen fifty eight so strong video that tells me there's more. They're still delivering lots to keep this pace consistent. And then future lots. This includes, you know, coal ranch where there's not, you know, we don't really have anything going on right right now. Coal ranch. But they're in the records eighty six hundred ropes and ranchers forty four hundred. And then again, you got the three eighty corridor with Pal oma Creek's Union Park and San and Sandbrook with both over two thousand lots. This summarizes all of our housing data at the attendance level. So, you know, so if you kind of know areas, it gives you an idea of where to look. Paloma, Paloma Creek, the yellow and green colors, they mean that they lead that category. So you can see Paloma Creek has more starts than any other area and more inventory right now than any other any other area. Inventory is a combination of homes that are under construction and finish vacant. It's a pretty important number because that nine eighty eight, what that tells us and really I think that number jumped above above a thousand in the first quarter. It did jump up. It did jump above a thousand in the first quarter. What that tells us is those are homes are right now under construction or there's finished vacant, which means in the next by the time school starts, those thousand homes will likely be occupied. I think we have another question. Yes, ma'am. I'm going to step out for a minute. How is vacant develop able lots calculated? Vacant develop a vacant develop lot is a lot that's on the ground. Full infrastructure could be built on tomorrow. OK, so we're not including things like pre-plating or that 's that falls in our future in that future category. Yes. So you can see there's nine hundred eight again. That's probably the most important takeaway from this slide is it gives you an idea of the pace of growth that that's going to go on right now. It's going to happen over the next the first quarter and the second quarter. So our team went and we put it we put in some city of Dent on slides. So we just kind of pulled out just kind of give you an idea how much of our growth in Denton ISD is going on in the city of Denton. So there's 50 active or in future developments that right now they're being tracked within Denton city limits. And if you look at this chart below, what the takeaway here is about 35 percent of right now the annual closings, the annual starts. Your inventory is in Denton proper in the city in the city of Denton. So you can see there that sixty five hundred futures, eight hundred twenty three vacant develop lots right now. Inventory of three seventy two and we're closing about almost five hundred homes a year just in the city of Denton . These are new homes. Similar look at the apartments. Then ISD has twenty two hundred ninety six students who currently have been geocoded to live within within these fifteen thousand seven hundred existing apartment units. The city's the city's average yield is point one five. OK, so that just means about fifteen students for every hundred units. It's a fairly low yield. But again, if you understand that this all also includes the college apartments and stuff like that, so that that kind of makes sense. Fifteen thousand seven hundred units about nineteen hundred forty. Those are tax tax credits or lower income. You can see those tax credit apartments are yielding point five seven and that's a very typical. Sometimes we see much, much higher rates than that. And then, of course, we're also these are city of Denton mobile home yields. I think this this important to understand that we get about a student per home out of the mobile home and to compare that our overall yields in our single family developments are more like six. So you're getting almost twice as many students from your mobile home as you do from your single family homes right now. So with that, I just show you our projections in ISD right now is at twenty nine thousand four hundred fifty one students. We have another question. Sorry. Sorry. I was processing. Let me go back. No, no, no, no, no. I think you can probably answer it off the top of your head. So Norman, that jumps out at me because a few of your slides show a lot of growth going in that school district. If I understand the map right where do you see that? I'm just trying to out three eighty. I kind of can see it. I just don't see that where that's coming in or what I'm missing. Like where those developments that yes, sir. I'm trying to think. You know what? I'm going to show some maps here in just a minute. They're going to show us some of that development is it's called. If you look at that map, I don't know if you can go back to it. But what happens is right now, the current woman's own includes all the coal ranch. So as coal ranch starts to develop, new schools would come on that you would split off of one. Right. So, you know, when you see this number, you look at Paloma Creek, for example, this is a as a as a piece for that. You see where there is is. Well, that's our next our next school that we're having GMP tomorrow night is to relieve Paloma Creek. Well, in that area. So if you remember, we only had eight elementary schools, eight elementary schools took all those big huge swaths of area that you see in the map. OK. And then as housing developments come online, new schools are built in those areas that splinter off of those schools. W.S. Ryan, for example, came online and relieved McNair as McNair was growing. Right. So all that McNair area used to be used to be part of W.S. Ryan and then vice versa. And then W.S. Ryan comes online, takes some McNair. So when you see those those maps, you see that growth going out there along what that tells you is that's where the school districts looking for elementary school sites, because that's where the growth is going to be in those areas. Got it. But then do you discount or because Cold Ranch, there's a lot of infrastructure stuff. There's a lot of stuff that goes into that. So absolutely when they hit the ground, they'll hit the ground running. But there's some there's some work up. So do you extrapolate that out versus a Paloma Creek where it's almost shovel ready, if you will? It was the same way. Well, a creek. All that was the same way. There's a lot of stuff that had to come in before all the Creek came in. That's why products elementary was the only elementary out there 15 years ago. Right. And then as the things come on, you work with the developers, you work with the municipalities like we work with the city of Denton to plan where these schools will be playing the streets, work with the council of governments to prefer fair plans, the whole thing. It's really even better to have a blank canvas of such a large area to master plan the whole piece together from a hiking, a biking, walking to school, those kinds of things in development that comes in new. Right. Because you can you can have an input what that looks like. So the answer to the question is yes. Okay. And then one one other thing. So from a historical aspect, can you give me what that looked like right from Paloma Creek as I grew up knowing it just right a stretch of land and creating to what it is kind of not now but kind of as it started to take shape. What was that? Was that time? Yeah, right. But I will tell you the that section of the district for us is probably an anomaly. Okay. When I told you we built 11 schools in 10 years, and not one of them was in the city of Denton. One was in Lantana. Right. The rest were out. And that Paloma Creek area. So there's your there's how long it took to go from Prov idence to razzle high school, having a full 2200 students about 11 to 12 years. Thank you. Does that answer your question. Very helpful. Okay. So right now and didn't I see. Yes, yes. I apologize. In the chart going back to the one that he mentioned, because I'm district two and Woodrow Wilson is in our area. And it looked like there were only like five. I'm not sure if I'm interpreting, interpreting it correctly. Eight. And because we have Windsor Village, new homes on ch ibi, and then new homes out on the opposite side of Kings Row, which I thought were closer to over 300 new homes and I'm just trying to understand the numbers and I'm seeing here on your home activity. Right. The rate of growth there. We've got 138 VDL you see that that on that far the VDL in the future but just the current the pace of activity is what we're seeing those those smaller numbers. So, don't we, and I do have a coming up that show the map and show where those are. Wilson. So your question. You think the pace is a little different than that or he's wondering how should we have it . I'm just trying to understand because I've actually visually seen over 100 new homes being built in my district , I mean in the area. The last year. Yeah, no less. These are 1231. This is December 30. Rocky what is your recent Wilson elementary attendance on show for the first quarter. Just the, I don't have that with me I can get that. I mean that would show. I don't have my one Q report but it looks to me like the fourth quarter, they started to last year, now these are in these active developments that we're tracking. Okay, they're being tracked by Metro study. So, we can, we can do a second look at that. Right, I'm only saying this because it's really important for us for the new bonds because the school, we want to make sure that there's a place for these kids to go and those numbers don't necessarily look like the numbers that that I've seen recently, but if it's from last year then maybe that's why. We'll certainly, we'll certainly take a look at those developments are going on in the future. So in the ISD, we're forecasting about 562 students growth next year. Part of it's been a kindergarten trend, we've been keeping an eye on to sometimes it can appear as if we 're, we're growing a district slower when you see that drop off but what you have to keep an eye on the size the entering exiting classes if you have a very large exiting class that's not replaced by a similar entering class, it can appear as if you're losing enrollment when really your cohort growth in other words your first to second graders your third to fourth graders. There's significant growth there but you just kind of lose it in the tails. So we're seeing 2% to a little over 2% growth and then ISD over the next few years. What we've done is we put together this the same data by high school zone for you this this might be a little bit easier to look at. So this is a brass well high school zone. And then these are the campuses impacted by the brass well zone so again this is out in the 380 corridor. And so you can see Bell, Cross Oaks, Paloma you can see in 10 years if we didn't do anything would be over 1600 students. Savannah is going to be close to 1000. Cross Oaks well over 1000. And then you also see the the Naval Middle School there getting over 1200. So see strong growth continues in that 380 corridor you're looking at 1000 students last year , we think they'll be over 600 this coming year. We have a similar this is now this is the Denton high school zone. So you can see that we are, we will be able to get some numbers for Wilson there you see that the green, the green polygons represent active developments that we're tracking, and the yellow represent future developments. Okay, so if there's yellow it just means it's platted we know about it but there's no activity. If it's green that means that there's current activity that's being surveyed within these zones. And if we look at these by elementary school. Again, this is the Denton high school zone. You can see that we, we are seeing some growth there out in Bournemouth and Evers Park out in the future. And of course in Ryan elementary when you get out in into the future as well, about 60 to 70 students a year with it picking up as we go, as we go forward. This is the guy or zone. This is the guy or zone again, remember the greener active developments, there's very lot. This is all Lantana debt down here. Just look at that. If you look down the very far south we see those two yellow boxes that dotted line that you see right there blue is Main Street Louisville. That's how far the district boundary. 1171. Somewhere is shallow road. Kind of a landmark to that. I don't know if everyone knows the difference that far south. It's very strange. And again, the numbers here for the for this attendance zone, they are losing some enrollment some class sizes, exiting here, you know, as growth kind of just levels off, you know, you've seen yields kind of decrease a little bit just as they smooth out, you're going to see some ebbs and flows, you know, in the guy or zone. And then find the Ryan zone. This is the Ryan zone here again the greener active the yellow future. And if we look into that zone there, you can see there that we're, you know, we're showing that the most growth in pe can Creek, it could reach 850 students in 10 years. Let me see a little bit of growth in some of the other campuses as well. And overall, you're going to see some of that growth get out to the 10 years, five and 10 years from some of these futures and some of that yellow development starts, gets a chance to get some momentum. But right now the momentum is on the far east. And these are just alternative campuses there. So again, unemployment rate being well below 5% the economy right now in Dallas, Fort Worth and really out northern didn't count is very strong. We're at average apartment is 0.15 in the city of Denton Bell and Paloma Creek zones account for 40% of the total closing so of all those of all those closings 40% of them are in Bell and Paloma. We think that the IC will grow over 3000 students in the next five years and by 20 and by and be well over 35,000 within 10 years. So that sorry again, I'm sorry I was late. Are there any other questions or comments from Mr. Gardner? I think it was the one that was the one that had the tax credit numbers. The multifamily. Yes. So you mentioned that you break out the age restricted development on the new development numbers. Do you break out the age restricted tax credit housing units. Okay, so the out of the there were night the same that there's 1940 tax credit union units that don't have any age restrictions on them. Right. Right. We, we see those applications as they come in and it's actually on the application to believe it's a age restricted. Mayor wants. Well, this may whoever's in charge of the posting, but this may be outside of it. Because I know when you're talking about tax credit multif amily units, there's a there's a trend to build those particularly units and they may be off the rolls, depending on the entities that own them. So y'all don't track that as far as this is mean some of the tax credit units might be owned by a nonprofit, which then no ad valorem taxes are paid. You don't track that you're just you're just this is what it is. So I know we've had some questions about that in the future . So that might be something we want to talk about at a later meeting of maybe what's the official policy on on those type of units that are partnered with to take them off the roads. And for Mr. Gardner as well, we do track them for the yield of students does not for yield and ad valorem tax credit. Because we've got to educate them. Sure. So that that piece of not being on the tax roll would be just like what we have to do with universities and the nonprofit churches and those kinds of things. Okay. Oh, I'm getting the attorney really getting after me. Sorry. It's on posting. We're good. Okay. Okay. Follow up to that. Sorry. It's okay. Did I cut. Go ahead. You let me cut earlier in the food line and now I'm cutting . It's okay. Well, just to follow up with the that particular piece of it. I think it would be helpful from the council's perspective. If we have a request to take these properties off the tax rolls, at the very least that we know that that NYC is aware that the properties are being taken off the tax rolls , because otherwise, I mean, there's going to be maybe a point five seven yield. I don't know what that really means in real life. But if we have a 500 unit complex coming in, that's 250 kids, perhaps that are going to be added to the concrete, for instance, I believe that was the last area that we had a request. So, from my perspective, I would love to know. Okay, y'all are aware that there could be 250 kids coming into the concrete when you're close to capacity over there. That's, I think it would be helpful. Councilman heads up. Thank you. I just want to understand what the sweet spot is at each level if you could. So as a high school, middle school, elementary school, what is what is in a perfect world, what is the range of kids there because that helps me kind of consume this information. So when you say 1000 kids at a high school, what does that mean? Right. So if you can help me break that down to what is your, and I guess, let's use newer schools, because that 's kind of the more the rule than the exception. So what kind of is the district looking for at each of those school levels to say a school is that an optimal utilization? Do you want to do? I mean, I don't, you know, I'm sorry. No, no, it's capacity. That's what it a whole that or is that ideal perfect situation. I believe this is, is this maximum. This is provided, but the capacity. That maximum capacity. Functional capacity. We're just televising this so they're not being able to be heard. Elementary is 740. The new middle schools is 1000 and Bras well High School. We've got an extra wing to build right now . It's about 2400. So help me understand some functional capacity because you're you're over. So help me understand that in. Well, that would be like you said that would be the ideal situation, but we have room. I think some of them actually go up to over 800 Bell, the new elementary it's over 800, and there's still there's still room, but the front, the perfect ideal place would be 740. Okay, so that's when we start looking to build new campuses . Mr. Stafford, we at one point, I had between 12 and 1300 kids in it. That's been many years back. It was terrible. We had to build affordable buildings, start lunch at 10 o' clock, run it till two, beat everybody. And it was, it was what launched us on to a bond program. The key here is to time your construction, so that you don 't open a school with just 200 kids in it. But you don't want to get behind the curve. And we almost did with Bell, Bell opened full. When it opened. There were so many kids out there at 380. Boom, it was full. Full is kind of 100 kids one way or the other. But what's great about having people like Rocky is he helps us stay in front of that so that we see what's coming and get the facilities on the ground before it becomes a dire need, which has not always been the case. It has been for the last 10 or 15 years, but not always. Okay, thank you. Because, like, for example, look at this map. You would look at that map and say, in an ideal world. You would have a school opening in 1819 to relieve Bell, Paloma Creek and Savannah. Correct. Looking at that map. Looking at that chart. In the world we live in. We will open that school to really Bell, Paloma Creek and Savannah in 1920. So, they will have to work through this year at 867 52 748. Right. Those are, those are forecasted growth numbers based upon the demographic projections on the developments. So that when you open up 1920 you take those three schools 887 845 790 and divide that total number by four. And that's about the enrollment number you'll have spread out among your, your four schools. If you go down to, can you go to the guard zone of this piece? Next one. There you go. So you look at these numbers right here. We opened up Atkins to relieve Blanton and EP Razor. And you can see that those numbers aren't quite as large. So their growth is not quite as fast as it was. But if you take one of those elementary schools away, then both of those schools are up over 800. Right. Do you see how that, how that kind of works? So if you go to the high one, you can see that Ryan Elementary in 2020, 2021, we either have to do something with some attendance boundary adjustments during that time frame, or we have to look at, look at a new school at some point during that time frame. So when you look at these numbers, you start talking about building schools, you have to see where do you have additional seats available that students could go to rather than building a new school. Right. Can we see how dense it is in that one section, those 800 numbers at three different places. It's a lot different than an 800 number in one place. Right. 800 number at one place. You can figure out how you can, you can mitigate that with schools around it. You know, LA Nelson being right there with McNair being right there with your Lantana schools being just south of there, and the Ryan Elementary zone including country lakes . You've got some flexibility to maybe have some folks at some different places. So, there are two reasons why we change attendance balance. Right. One is a new school opens, which is the ideal situation. The other one is if you see four kinds of schools getting too crowded. And you try to do that in advance so that people can prepare for that. Ms. Burns. And then just a little added to that. Then if you look at it at the classroom level, at the state up through fourth grade, it's a one to 22 ratio. So, if we start getting more students in, in the course of the year, then the question becomes, what do you do with those extras above the 22? Because emotionally, do you want to take a child away from a teacher? And so, then you've got it at that level too that you have to look at with growth. So, just so that you can compare that part of it too. Thank you. If you take out the student housing out of the apartments, can you tell us what the yield for the apartment is for students? Yes, but not right now. [Laughter] We can pull those out as best we can. I mean, I don't know that they, we can grab the apartments that are around. I don't know that certain ones might not allow families and some may. So, some of these student apartments also have children in them nowadays. So, we could grab, you know, just kind of do a. I just think that would be interesting to know. Rocky, what about, what is your normal yield for apartments ? Let's just say. It's usually closer to .3. Okay. .2 to .3. It's gone down in some areas. You know, it's all, you know, it's like you have tax credit apartments and you also have apartments that are 20 years older or more. Those typically yield very similar to tax credit apartments just because of their price point. But overall yield in, you know, in communities is in that the high .2s to about .3. Very good. Councilman Gregory. What I'm about to say is why I never ran for school board. [Laughter] Dr. Wilson is so glad. [Laughter] Because when Ryan Elementary was built and it was a prototype for a number of elementaries, it was built for 650 kids. And so when I say the capacity 740, my guess is you're counting rooms that are currently being used for special ed units, for reading recovery, for dyslexia classes, for all of those things to get to a 740 student capacity. Am I right? That's partly true. And we added a science lab there too. Yeah. So my concern is that if you, you may be at capacity needing portables before, long before you get to 740 unless you changed your delivery system for ESL and reading recovery and all those other programs. Any other questions or comments? Okay. Great report. Thank you. We'll move on to what's on our agenda is item four. D on the city agenda. Dr. Wilson, it's the report discussion regarding an update on our plans for future construction, land purchases, buying programs, or facility changes. I'll ask Richard to come give an update on these pieces. You can kind of tell that the report that I led with with economic impact demographics. Now you get into future land and future projects. It all is in the same vein. Quarterly, at our trustee meetings, we will have a bond progress report, which is our citizen group that oversees how our money is spent in our bond programs. They report to the trustees. The growth report, which is Mr. Gardner, like you just saw, talking about the forecast and then the construction report , which is the actual building of the buildings and how far along we are with making those happen. Mr. Zabala will take us through a little bit about futures and land and those kinds of things as we. Thank you, Dr. Wilson. Thank you, counsel, for having us here. So I really want to thank you because I actually said this morning I was done talking about the bond and this sort of project. I appreciate that. Sincerely. So just kind of going through the process in general. So our trustees called the election in February. We just had the election on Saturday and the proposition will have a 0% impact on the school district tax rate. It's been a dollar fifty four and it stayed that way for the past four years. So what is a bond election? It allows us basically to call for bonds to pay for construction, capital projects, technology, buses, land acquisition, etc. The second bullet point you'll see there is very important because it doesn't allow us to use that money for salaries or operating procedures. That's very important to point out because there's sometimes misconception with the general public. Well, they'll say, well, you know, you're taking this money . Why aren't you giving that to teacher salaries or why aren 't you buying these certain things with it? And it's just the state doesn't allow us to do that. So a little bit of on the background process of how we got here. So we did a demographic study, go over growth projections. We did a facility condition assessment, assessing every building that was built after Geyer High School or excuse me, before Geyer High School, which was Mr. Andrus, that was 2005. Correct. Thank you. Internal needs assessment. So basically talking to principals, teachers, seeing what the needs of those campuses were. And then we formed a citizens advisory committee that consisted of 56 members from across the community. And I say the Denton ISD community, because as many of you know, or if you don't know, we are just not Denton proper. We have 17 different communities we serve and each one of those communities and municipalities had a member on our committee. They met, they studied growth facility needs, deliberated, prioritize things, and then basically did a strategic plan to where they came up with the number and made the recommendation to our trustees, which at that point they called the election. As I already said before, 56 residents, taxpayers covering all those areas. We met over eight times over a five month period, broke up into six subcommittees to cover these grounds. You're talking again, growth, elementary, secondary, extrac urriculars, et cetera. At the end of the day, there were 100 projects that were studied, debated and prioritized. And most of those got into the final package. Overall, the citizens advisory committee discussed district growth and enrollment, the bonding capacity and tax impact. That's important because then we could determine what we're able to do and how we're able to do it. And then obviously the campus and department needs to see if what they're proposing was meeting those needs along with what the campuses told us. You'll see here these are numbers that we kind of use projected. These numbers won't match what Mr. Gardner just gave you because those are more up to date based on the last quarter that we have. But you'll see here our current enrollment, which added at 28 to 17. Our current enrollment right now is around 29, 556, I think somewhere on those lines. And you see there here in 20, 20, 26, 27, we're projecting around 40, 39. Looks like our growth has slowed down a little bit. I think Mr. Gardner had us at around 36, 37. So since the 2013 bond, which was the last one that we put before our voters, we've had 3200 new students. As you saw in the previous report, we're first in undevelop ed vacant lots. We're first by a lot. I think Mr. Gardner had our number at over 28,000. So that's substantially more than I think the closest competitor, which I think was Northwest ISD, our neighbors just to the Northwest, ironically enough. And we are fourth in home closings. And we've kind of been there for some time. I've been with the district about nine years and we've stagnated between going between third, fourth, and fifth. So we're back up to fourth. And in that process, we are looking at updating facilities. And the primary ones are the oldest campuses in the district, which are Denton High, Calhoun Middle School, Str ickland Middle School, Newton Razor, and Wilson Elementary. You see there combined those facilities are 315 years old. Sixty four percent of the bond will address aging facilities. Something I consistently told groups that I spoke with during this process was every bond that we've worked on previously really addressed growth. Denton ISD has really grown at such a capacity that we just had to throw those projects in there to keep up. I think as Dr. Wilson alluded, you're trying to stay ahead of the curve. So I've constantly heard the phrase drinking from a fire hose, so to speak. And it is because it was just coming in. This one really allowed us to, yes, continue to address that growth, but as well take care of some of the facilities that are in Denton proper. And as you all know, Denton proper is starting to catch up with that growth as well. So you saw in the previous report, we have neighborhoods here that are growing and not just with new home development, but some of our established areas are becoming hot neighborhoods and trendy places where people want to come in and move and settle and raise their families. So one thing that's important to point out, which basically kind of seemed to be a hit with presentations, was the current Denton High sits on 35 acres. I didn't bring a video to show you, but there's this really cool graphic where we had the 35 acre fall into the 109 acres at Braswell. And that's kind of an eye-opening experience there. So again, the big thing there was we could have done several things to make Denton High as up to date as some of our newer campuses. But the committee determined at the end of the day, you can 't save space. We can go up, but you just can't expand. And that was something that we wanted to tackle there. By comparison, to give you an example as well, our four high school campuses measure, I want to say, somewhere between 86 to 89 acres on average. Mr. Zavala, we have a question from the councilman here. I think somebody mentioned Braswell High's enrollment was 2 ,400 or something in there. What's Denton High's enrollment? Denton High's enrollment, for right now, I believe it's right around 2,400 as well. OK, so the high schools are pretty evenly spaced as far as occupancy. Correct. But as we continue to grow, you'll see the population slowly, I guess, kind of shift downward here in the city to where we-- with the current additions, which I'll cover here in a minute, but with the current additions at Geyer High School and the way Braswell High School is built, I think those schools will be built to hold more students than Denton and Ryan. Mayor Watts? Yeah, just a question on process. When you're talking about looking for additional land, do we have a formal process between either at the staff level or policymaking level as far as on relocation of schools to -- do we have the proper infrastructure, transportation, and things that either we have them on the ground existing or the city has a plan or a goal of improving those areas? Do we have a--even if it's an informal process, do we have that in place as that moves forward? Unfortunately, in the city of Denton, we do. It's not that way in all the other municipalities that we work with, right? Because you start doing municipal utility districts and water districts and those kinds of things, you are somewhat on your own. But with the city of Denton, we have a lot of conversation about school sites and where those things might be. In fact, as we started looking at this, the relocation of the high school, this program, one of the first conversations that we had with the city about what would it look like if. Sure. And that's where those things came through. Thank you. Well, we do work very well with the city of Denton. I know Mr. Messler was at a presentation I did on Friday, and he asked pretty much the same question. And one thing I said is, you know, Dr. Wilson's right on point there. We're working with different areas. It kind of gets to be just talking to several different groups. I believe when we built Braswell High School, we ended up working with nine different municipalities or sorts of groups to get that project going. So it's a lot easier working with you guys. Mr. Zimbabwe's being nice. There were almost 40 elected officials in the Braswell High School. Yeah, that's work. Fun. All of them have fun at work. Before I get into taxes, any other questions regarding that stuff? If you want to, you can go back to your last slide. And it says we're actually looking for land within the loop for the Denton High replacement. You can go ahead and announce where it is. OK, we've recently purchased land north of University along Bonnie Bray that butts up to the south end of Loop 288. So basically that area just north of Immaculate Conception Church. That's the acreage that we're looking at to put the new Denton High School. Councilman Begarry. You're talking about over by where Elm Street? No. West of Bonnie Bray, across the street from North Lake Park . OK. I live in that area. That's why I'm trying to figure out where it's going. In your backyard. Yeah. You'll hear the damn thing. Yeah, so I guess it's just west of the discovery part, UNT discovery part. Councilman Briggs. Thank you. To that and to the mayor's question earlier, I know there's going to be issues with that location. Part of the reason why a lot of people were against the bond was that they like the high school being where it is close because there's a lot of students that walk. It's within that neighborhood and it's close, close to get it's easy to get to. We are actually widening Bonnie Bray and it's going to be huge like an interstate. I mean, like crazy big. So I just want to make sure that we have a safe way for the kids to get from one side of the area to the school when you're talking about the safety. That's something I want to make sure that's taken care of ahead of time. Yeah. Yeah, just keep that in mind. Do you have a projected timeline for that? I mean, ideally it would be great before we build the school. Right. We tried that with Gaier and it didn't work. I would say get with our engineering department and make sure because that's something to think about. Right. I agree. Thank you. Good point. I think I was hitting hand trains. We are currently working with the Council of Governments. Dr. Wilson has made us aware of this site a few months ago. And so we're trying to coordinate efforts. They are actively looking for additional funds for phase five and six of Bonnie Bray. We had the city had run out of funds once we got up to scripture. So we're in the process of talking to council about designing all the way up north to the loop. And we're going to be coordinating our efforts with them and look at seeking some additional dollars as well. My guess is we're probably a few years away unless we can work something a stronger funding position out where they would reimburse some of these assets. But we're working through that right now. And I will say in terms of location, I believe it's under a mile and a half from the current high to the new location. So, you know, busing would still fall in line there to the students that qualify would still get that service. Sure, if a new project like this would be eligible for safe routes to school funding, I don't know what the demographics are, but I think it might be. I just don't know if new schools are eligible. So just briefly, a school tax overview, the way schools are funded basically work in two buckets, so to speak. You have your maintenance and operations and then you have your interest in seeking the maintenance operations. Like I said earlier, covers salaries, utilities, supplies, repairs, interest in seeking is construction, renovations, AC, roofing, those sorts of projects. I think the best part to look at here on this slide is the bottom part. I think this was really resonated with some of our public is your maintenance and operation would be to us as regular homeowners, like your groceries, your repairs, your fuel for your car. Whereas your debt services, your mortgage, home renovation, if you're buying a car, those sorts of things. So it's important to note, too, that on the debt service portion, all of our construction is funded by us locally as homeowners and taxpayers. Those dollars don't come from the state. Mayor Watts. Does the appraisal district, you know, they break down what the average increase in assessed value countywide and then you get it by city. Did they break it down by school district as well that you 'll know that before any protests or anything like that, how much the values increased in the D.I.S.D.? Do you know what that number was? Well, every the number I gave you earlier was one point seven billion for last year. The early the early returns this time, the first level they went out on three point three. Did you we have three point three billion from one point seven to three point. Oh, that's just the growth. OK, got you. I put seven more than the previous. OK, got you. All right. Yeah. And the other piece about that is on the maintenance operations tax rate on the maintenance operations tax rate, the which is a dollar six of our current local tax rate is that as property values go up, the state sends us less on that dollar six on the forty eight cents on the debt service side. Every penny of that stays local to pay for these schools and these facilities for us. That's about 80 million dollars a year on current values to pay down this to pay down these these bonds. A lot of people ask me, how does it take you to pay that off? If there are no other expenses in the portfolio, we get about 80 million dollars a year. If nothing grew at all for the seven fifty would take us about 10 years. So basically following in line with what Dr. Wilson just mentioned. So our maintenance and operation tax rate is a dollar six. Our tax rate is forty eight cents, which gives us the dollar fifty four tax rate, which I said earlier. If you go back to September of last year, we did a tax rat ification election which moved the tax rate from 50 cents to 48 cents and the M.N.O. from a dollar four to a dollar six, which freed up some money to do different projects. Any questions on that? I. Mr. Stafford. If you'll go back about four or five slides, one of the best good on the debt service side, new construction renov ations, heating and air roofing. A lot of those costs we don't pay for out of that side. We try to not spend money. That's 30 years in being paid back on shorter term projects . So it's just much more conservative budgeting. So we we normally are paying for roofs or air conditioners out of our regular operating funds and leaving the other the other stuff alone. Just the long term renovations you can you can legitimately say that's a 30 year fix. New construction is a 30 year payout. But we don't buy computers with my money and there are a lot of districts in the state that do because they just can 't afford to otherwise. But what we what we've decided to do is not to spend money that we're going to be paying interest on for 30 years for something that's going to be obsolete and three to five. So we don't jump into that hole. Just wanted you to know that it's a it's an uncommon practice. But it is more conservative fiscally than average. Mr. Stafford also didn't buses are also one of those things that's eligible for that that we don't pay for out of debt service. If you look at the those that list of things that you can issue debt for we use new construction renovations and land to acknowledge infrastructure. The primary pieces when I say infrastructure I mean fiber right. Those kinds of things the rest of them we do everything we can out of general operating fund which means if you're going to maintain highly competitive teacher salaries and maintain low class size ratios that you have less outside the classroom expenses and our district is about one third of the average for the state of Texas for outside of classroom expenses. So what is the timeline for the new construction projects that were funded by the bond. The tackle that I mean I can. The first thing that will happen is we'll get our bond rating visits. Hopefully those occur before September. Then we'll get our we'll get our our bond sales on the ground. Hopefully have access to funds into the end of the end of 18 first part of January of 19 and then begin working on projects for that. It takes a it takes a while to get those projects completed and going. So all the hundred plus projects some of them will will start to move faster just because they're smaller and you can work through that like safety and security. We the first thing right out of the box that we address with regard to the physical safety and security of the campuses. The second thing will be the big ticket items like a new high school strict renovation those kinds of things simply because well there's really a couple reasons but one is you don't have to worry about inflation at a percent a month. So if you can get those things done now it saves taxpayers dollars. The other parts that is in order for didn't high school to be relocated in order for Calhoun middle school students be located in high school the new didn't high school has to be finished so those students can move in and leave didn't the current didn't high school vacant for renovations those kinds of things before the Calhoun kids can move in. So all that's going to take a little bit of time so everybody wants all of it the first day we won't sell those bonds the first the first at the very beginning will sell them in portions as the property values go the projects will go if property values and growth in the area. Please don't confuse what I'm saying I say property value I 'm talking about I'm not talking about individual appraisals about property value growth as a whole new things to the text roles as that as that grows those projects with a go faster or slower based upon those values. If the, if the property values aren't there for us to to issue those spots, then those projects get delayed and it takes longer. If the property values there for those to get done faster, then we will do them faster to take advantage of inflation costs. So I know that's a long answer to your question but it's that help. It's very important to us that we maintain our current tax rate. So we're going to be keeping a close eye on growth, because we want growth to pay for growth. So looking at the bond proposal broke down into growth renovations replacements, career and technology education and safety and infrastructure. You'll see there the amount totals. So, the growth basically is a ninth middle school, a 25th elementary transportation facilities because we're looking at possibly doing to maybe renovations to the current one, which would really help with time on, you know, less time for kids on buses more time at home and school, which is what we all want. And then additions renovations to find arts and athletic facilities, the replacement campuses we've already talked about an additional 21 schools receive capital improvements , and then also updates to find arts and athletic facilities at existing campuses, the CTE program, the La Grone at C, which I'm sure everyone's familiar with will receive additional wing classroom capacity there, we're going to renovate culinary spaces at Ryan and Geyer expand the CTE classrooms at Ryan, and then a new ad center, which is going to be a lot of fun. And then we're going to have a new ad center, which says center but you know I know we've been in several discussions with folks to possibly do one show type arena and then maybe some satellite stuff that campuses may be working with different districts. For example, I know we've been talking with Aubrey ISD maybe to possibly do something jointly out for the Brazzel zone. So those are different things that we're looking at to maximize our dollars and give more students more opportunities. And then Wilson said the safety and infrastructure piece will probably be coming out right from the get go. It's something that the committee was extremely focused on something our board is really committed to and all of us as employees, myself included I have two kiddos in the district and you know safety and security is important. So we want to tackle that right out of the right out of the gate. Councilman breaks. I have a couple of different things about Wilson and in Str ickland. So the Wilson I've heard that since there were already outstanding bonds on a few like I think the science area. It's newer, and so that would have to stay and so the new part is going to have to be built on is that. It could be, it just depends on how we will try to keep all the different places that are where the things are highly functional and utilize. We'll try to keep those and we'll do it very similar to the way we did Lee elementary when we rebuilt Lee at the same time. For example, our prototype middle schools don't usually have auditoriums, but Strickland has one. So rather than not keeping that just because everybody else doesn't have one that makes sense to keep that there and then, and then design your programming around that. So, I'm not saying that there won't be some walls or different things that some of those newer places that get moved or relocated those kinds of things but to the part that's highly functioning we're going to try to try to keep as much of that as possible. But if there is a an area of school that still has a bond that hasn't been paid off it's not allowed to be destroyed. None of it would be just those kinds of things wouldn't be destroyed because they wouldn't be. I think there's been some misconceptions that I heard people saying in the community we're just going to level this and this is where and so I just wanted to clarify that right now in our discussion that those things, if they're functional and new, they're going to stay, they're not just going to be leveled for the sake of demolishing something. And even the things that are functional and useful like the auditorium at Strickland it's not under bond. Right. Right. I mean so it's not just the bond discussion that determines that it's a functional and use. So that point is very well taken about the newness of those structures but also the functional utilization of the others rather than just taking it out because nobody else has one. And uniqueness as well. It gets to stay. So may I have a question about Calhoun. How will that use be decided for that building because I've heard a few different things and it's really important to our community. It's old, it's historical basically. And so just making sure that is going to be protected in a way and that if you plan to keep that as a school of some sort. The plan right now is for it to continue to be a school. We didn't really have the I guess the time to have a discussion about what to do with it when this all happens because that happens five years or six years from now in the next capital improvement project. Right. And the Calhoun kids won't be moving out of Calhoun for four or five years. So we've got some time to have that discussion. There are some buildings at Calhoun not the main building not the historical building that are beyond repair which was part of the decision making to relocate didn't high and all of that within the same context. So discussion with what to do with Calhoun. They're really you have to ask yourself two questions. Number one question is do you have existing program that's outgrown its space right that needs additional classroom space. And the second question is if you don't have additional if you don't have program that's outgrown its space do you have additional program and you would like to offer to utilize that space. That's the direction we're going now right to product to try to do some really innovative creative partnerships with UNT College of Music TWU College of Dance and do some really innovative things for our for our inside the city of students and utilize the historical perspective of the main building for it to be a sense of pride and a beacon of pride for everyone in the community. So there'll be great discussion we'll have a group of folks that will help us work through that including lots of impact with our fine arts community our our science technology communities those kinds of things to really make that something that the city's product and it is a designated historical landmark. So we want to make sure we take special care with that. Okay. Thank you. Amanda. I'm going to go ahead and ask you to come up to the table and a school board and have these kinds of discussions. We 're really in a rather unique position in Denton and didn't nice deep because we have a center city didn't. But it's surrounded by a number of other communities. And to my judgment that's a really important opportunity for all of us who love them. Because, take a look at what's happened in central cities like Dallas, for example. There you have the city, but all of the school districts in the area immediately around Dallas are actually other school districts. You've got Richardson and Plano and others all around the city. And that's an opportunity in the Denton Metroplex and we're becoming that for all of us who love Denton to come together and to think ahead and to build together and partner between city and school district and really make excellent plans for the future of this whole community. And I'm really excited about that prospect. And that's one of the reasons this bond proposal was so exciting, I think, when we look at it. It was mentioned earlier that 11 of the last schools that have been built by this district have been outside of the city limits of Denton. And I'm very grateful to the citizens of Denton who vote in Denton who helped pass those bonds that helped build all of those other schools out in those outlying areas. That was the right thing to do and the people of Denton stepped up to the plate and did what they needed to do. But with this bond that we just passed, the people in those outlying areas brought a lot of votes to the table and they 've helped us all put the money together to build and rebuild what's really needed to keep Denton, the central city of Denton, strong. And I'm really excited about the outcome in this bond election. And I think it's really important that we take advantage of every opportunity as a city council and as a school board to really plan to make the best of this opportunity that we have built this whole community and make Denton stronger at the same time. And that to me is really exciting with all these numbers. Mr. Councilman, I'm not used to the council. Dr. Alexander said it is based on some of the questions that Councilmember Briggs asked. For those of you who are going to be around for more than seven weeks. You got extended seven weeks. I think that the questions that Councilmember Briggs asked are important to think about because we really should have had a joint meeting in this discussion. Several months prior to the bond vote. Because everyone and when the city has a bond vote, we need to have one of these prior to the bond vote because everyone sitting at this table everybody in this room is a key communicator. Councilmember Briggs was getting asked a lot of questions for which she didn't have all the answers. And had we had this meeting earlier, that would have been vital. Several of the rest of us got these questions too. So I implore those of you who are around to as you're planning meetings to think about scheduling these kinds of joint meetings so that prior to major activities like this. Because it's going to make a difference in people understanding and better able to communicate what's at stake when these elections come up. We just need to get back on our quarterly schedule again. Two things I'll point out in regards to the comments in your question Ms. Briggs. One of the last presentations I did was to retired educators and like you said they have several ideas of what we can do at Calhoun Middle School. And the thing I told them was when we wrap up all these projects here in four, five, six years we'll be putting together another committee and we'll be welcome to take these people in. Mr. Greger will have time on his hands that he can probably serve. And provide his feedback. The second thing I'll point out to your point is for those of you who have come up with questions please always feel free to contact us directly at our communications department. We may not always have the direct answer you need but we'll track it down for you and get it to you as quickly as possible. In regards to the bond projects I will say every elementary school, middle school and high school and every I guess other auxiliary type campus whether it's the ATC or one of our pre-k centers. They had information on their page to where if you're a parent or a grandparent or just someone who's tied to that school and wanted to see what was going to be involved in the bond project. All that information was there. And it's still there so please if you're still getting some of those questions I recommend that you divert those people there and if the question is still there please send them my way. Councilwoman Briggs. Just a follow up you mentioned the committee and it was a question I had earlier I was holding. I'm just wondering how the bond committee was chosen. We got input from the campuses and a lot of it was to use Mr. Gregory's term trying to find key communicators people that are involved in the district and people that have knowledge of what's going on, not just within Wilson Elementary or Ryan High School but across the district as well. So, you know, we made a good point like I said earlier to make sure we had at least one representative from each of the 17 different communities and municipalities that we serve. And it was important for us to I know you know Dr. Wilson and I went back and forth when we kind of did canvassing I guess if you will of trying to get names of trying to make sure we included different types of people as well. So it wasn't just parents and grandparents you know we had some retired educators, we have been we have business owners who may not live here but their businesses here, and they need to see the importance of, you know, what good schools bring to the community and to the city of Denton. So, I want to say we did a canvas out to around 80 something and 56 are the ones that responded and really were part of the process. Is there a list of the 56 that participated. Yeah, it's on the Denton ISD, Denton ISD bond website. So, thank you. And those who were interested contacted board members. And we would recommend them to serve on the committee as well. That's kind of been a tradition throughout the years of having bond committees. I would say about probably two thirds of this group was new . So it's not typically the same people that come together and decide, you know what projects are there. And I can tell you from some of the comments after we were done, we 'll probably have two thirds again for the next one because I think people come in thinking oh this is going to be, you know, fun or earth shattering whatever and it is but it is a time commitment, and you do have to come in and you know, put in a lot of work. So in regards to land and other bond projects, we referenced the 2013 bond earlier. Just going over projects that we're finishing up right now. Currently, we are finishing up the Geyer High School edition. That's a freshman edition and also additional classrooms. We also have the support services building, which that's part of the, that's actually the last project of the 2007 bond. And that kind of ties back into what Dr. Wilson was saying earlier in regards to, you know, we had a little stagnation there in the economy in 2008-2009. So we had to slow things down before we were able to build that building because the focus was on getting classrooms to make sure we're not overcrowded at schools. Future projects coming up is Union Park Elementary. As you saw earlier, those are the numbers that would help alleviate the overcrowding at Paloma Creek and Bell. That would be located in the town of Little Elm. Projects that we've completed, we opened up Rodriguez Middle School in the town of Oak Point, opened up this year . Bell Elementary and Braswell High School in the town of Little Elm, they both opened up last year and they're basically adjacent to each other right there off of Navajo Road. Current land and for future school sites, that's within the city of Denton only. You've heard Coal Ranch reference. We have 37.5 acres there for a middle school and almost 92 acres for a high school. We also have almost 14.5 acres for an elementary school at Country Lakes. We also have 100 acres off of FM 428 for an additional high school, plus the land we were just talking about for the new Denton High School. We also own land outside of the city of Denton, but I didn 't include those, but I can definitely get you that information if it's something you need. Any other questions? Again, I can't say enough thank you and if you need more information, please reach out to us, communications@denton isd.org. Okay. All right, we'll go on then to agenda item E for the city of Denton, I believe five for the school board. I receive report and hold discussion regarding a recent assessment of the city of Denton's Aquatic Division and facilities and the joint agreement between the city of Denton and Denton Independent School District for shared use of the Nat atorium. I'm sorry, Council Member Hussman. No, you can get set up just one quick note for Dr. Wilson. I can't imagine a Calhoun Middle School without that pond. So it's got to get over there. Yeah, somehow. Yeah, five years from now let's figure it out. We've got to figure it out. Good afternoon, Council and board members. My name is Laura Barons, I am the assistant director for Parks and Recre ation and today I want to give you a brief summary of a recent assessment performed on our joint aquatic assessment , or I'm sorry aquatic facility. Just a little bit of history on the aquatic facility itself is located at 2400 Long Road, and it is comprised of a nat atorium building which is an indoor swimming facility with a leisure pool and a competition pool, and the waterworks park which is an outdoor facility that has several amenities that include slides lazy river, a new wave pool, a children's pool area and then also concessions and cab anas. The city does own and operate a third facility that is not a part of the joint agreement that is the civic center pool that does factor in to the aquatic assessment and we'll see how how that plays here in our, in our slides, moving forward, but the history specifically on our partnership between the city and the ISD with this facility is the agreement was established in 2002 with the park opening in 2003. It funded the natatorium building and the competition pool, and the city funded the waterworks park, and also requested the addition of the natatorium leisure pool in a classroom within the natatorium facility. The city of Denton, and the joint use agreement has a term of 50 years with funding. Each year, we reevaluate the financial we do an assessment of our fiscal year, and the operating deficit generated by both the natatorium and the waterpark together are shared on a 50% basis. Excuse me by the city and the ISD. The aquatic assessment was initiated in December of last year and was conducted by pros consulting. We have just a couple of points here on our scope of services which included the assessment and inventory of our current aquatic facilities, determining the demand for the aquatic facilities, providing the best practice for effective and efficient facility operations management, some next steps for practices to achieve the strategic objectives, and to deliver this final report. Key findings included five areas within the assessment. The first one is staffing levels. The assessment did find that the current staffing levels are appropriate and aligned with best practices. We also note that there is a lack of administrative support and marketing support in the area, and that the allocation of the FTEs which are going to be our full time staff allocated to the Civic Center need to be reevaluated. The second point use agreement. It is has a term of 50 years, we haven't had any updates, any significant updates to the agreement, since it was signed in 2002. So moving forward in reviewing that agreement. We need to take a stronger look and focus on delineating roles for the responsibilities, authority and cost sharing. That's long term, but in the short term it did recommend that we reinstate the natatorium committee that is established by the agreement. Classifications of services and cost recovery. I'm sorry, classifications of services and cost recovery goals. In the report it talks in great detail about classifying our current programming into three areas. It really spans between programs that serve a public interest and those that provide an individual benefit. And across that spectrum, we have those that are essential services, those that provide a public interest or benefit, and those programs are primarily tax supported. The classification of important is really a combination of what would be public interest based and what would be personal benefit. Those would be subsidized by taxes and fees. And then finally we have those that are value added. They are primarily individual benefits and those would be cost recovery, full cost recovery from user fees. Once we categorize these programs, that's really going to be the foundation for establishing our cost recovery goals and developing strategies to achieve them. Finally, it did identify some opportunities for us. E fficiency and effectiveness in terms of technology, for revenue generation, marketing flexibility and pricing strategies, and then in policies and procedures pricing on out pricing, outdoor food policy, time task and cost of service analysis are needed. So one of the short term goals and something that we're looking at establishing immediately would be to resume our regular meetings of the natatorium committee. The committee for the formation of the committee was actually established in the original agreement and it's made up of two staff members from the city of Denton, two staff members from DIS D, and one staff member that historically has been just a citizen from the community that was jointly appointed to the committee. Appointed by DISD and the city. This will be really important moving forward and critical and some of the next steps that we're going to be reviewing , as it will improve the communication between both of our organizations. It will also be necessary when we're looking at the review of the joint use agreement, and also reviewing updating our policies and procedures. Under efficiency and effectiveness. One of the recommendations is to develop and implement technology upgrades, specifically a work order management system for maintenance, so that we can truly analyze the different, the work that's performed on the facilities. Performing a full time task analysis during the process of the assessment, a time task analysis was performed for staff time, but it really only encompassed a few weeks. So moving forward, the recommendation is to do a full year time task analysis, use this information and the results to , I'm sorry, to utilize this information for future staff cost allocations. So this information would be reviewed by the Nanatorium committee, and then used to allocate the time of our staff members that spent at the Nanatorium, the waterpark, and the Civic Center pool. As I mentioned earlier, the Civic Center pool is a third facility that is owned and operated by the city, and it's important because the assessment found that staff time allocation was not made for the Civic Center pool. And so moving forward, we really need to be able to understand what that allocation is so that it can be removed from the time allocation that is assessed to the Nanatorium and the waterpark. In doing just the initial assessment that encompassed those few weeks, the assessment found that at $55,000 reduction could be made in the current time allocation for DISD. Develop a classification of service model and set cost recovery goals. So this is the three classification levels that we just reviewed a few minutes ago. In developing those classification for the programs, this will establish our pricing policy. Moving forward on a long term basis, we'll use this information to review our facilities and our programs. We'll provide regular reporting, analyze and define the success of those programs, and develop a plan to achieve those cost recovery goals. Just so that you can see where we fall now, we have the national benchmarks for cost recovery. The Nanatorium nationally has a cost recovery of 35 to 50%. We're currently operating at 31%. Waterworks Pool has a 110 to 120 benchmark for cost recovery. We're currently operating at 101%. And then the Civic Center Pool has a 30 to 40% recovery rate with our current cost recovery at 68%. Real quick question. In the Civic Center Pool current, that does not include moving the reallocating, is that correct? That is correct. So when we reallocate, that's probably why that's sort of an outlier. Yes. Is that there was some cost that may have been better associated with the Civic Center Pool than the Nanatorium and the Water Park. Right, and that full year time analysis will give us a better idea of what cost for staffing needs to be included in that recovery amount. Fantastic. Thank you. And all of this information needs to be included hol istically and comprehensively in our parks master plan so that again for future planning, we'll be able to incorporate the needs that are identified in this assessment for growth. Perform a full cost of service analysis. So this is the second component to the time task analysis. This would include direct and indirect costs, which we currently do. But this will also include administrative and overhead costs for all functional lines of service to more accurately allocate those costs. We also need to define what those overhead costs are. As I mentioned, we are doing direct and indirect costs, but in terms of our administrative and overhead costs, that's not included in our current cost recovery models. But defining also what is included in those overheads is going to be specifically indirect costs, such as other internal functions will need to be decided. And in terms of revenue generation, dynamic pricing strategies is something that was discussed comprehensively in the assessment. This is really important when it comes to the water part, being able to have that flexibility in offering discounts, whether it's because we have some weather situations, it might cause the park to be closed. And we're trying to do some last minute promotions. That's important. And then also just in our pricing strategies, revenue development management. Sorry, sorry. No worries. So when you look at the I know you need to dive into it deeper, but looking at the recovery, as we understand it now, is it is the recovery slowed by pricing being off too low or cost too high? Have we gained an initial kind of perspective or are you not able to answer until you delve into it fully? There are components of both. And so in the assessment, it gave some examples in some areas where we could enhance our and raise opportunities to raise that cost recovery, especially when we're going from 101, trying to achieve 110 to 120 percent. But that's really all going to be answered when we have some direction on how we're wanting to classify those programs. And I'm sorry, may I? Yes. Thank you. And will it also I know you touched on it briefly, but it 'll hopefully put together an exhaustive list of opportunities that maybe we're not taking advantage of now if it's so when I hear marketing, I hear they do birthday parties out there. I think that's the underlying to utilize the kind of thing. And there's some other, I think, opportunities that we could take advantage of. So it'll kind of here's what we're doing. Here's we could do that sort of thing. Yes. Okay. So the marketing support and the revenue development support would actually span across the entire facility and not just necessarily the water park or the auditorium or any specific programs. It would be a comprehensive and holistic approach to marketing the facility in general. Thank you. That's my brief. I just I wanted to go on record in saying since we're talking about cost recovery and increasing that 101 percent that I'm completely not in favor of raising the water park prices any more than they are. And to that point, I'm in favor of the dynamic pricing strategies because that allows families that normally can't afford it to get into the water park and enjoy that facility. Duly noted. Got to say it. And the last point under revenue generation is to develop business strong management in the area of the editorial and the water park. This is our last for next steps. But for Water Works Park specifically, there was a focus on this area, primarily because we have a new way pool that was opened in the middle of the season last year. And we have a new concession stand that has not opened. We 'll see the first full year of operations for both of those amenities in this season. That's about to start in the next couple of weeks. So with that, the new way pulling concession stand, we're looking to obtain full year implementation metrics. Use this information moving forward to create benchmarks. But before we do that, we really need to analyze and look at what worked and what didn't work in this first year or first season of operations. Getting that information, making some adjustments, fine twe aking, then creating benchmarks for ourselves. Moving forward, providing regular updates on that data, incorporating that in our marketing plan to include the new assets, and then long term developing a business plan for those strategies. Yes, yes. When you put that together, I'd like to see a family package or something. Because I think my great grandbabies out there, and I'm going to drop 100 there. Just going to that. And that's no one, not anybody, just anybody can drop 100. And you need to look at ways that we can do either groups, maybe church groups, kids that know how to behave themselves because it's wild in there sometimes. It is. I get after some of them. So, we need something that will bring the guys that don't go out there already. And I think we can do that. You've got a good plan. I don't know who your committee is. I'd like to see that. I don't know how strong they are and how long they've been there. You know, we need to turn over things to get better ideas. And I really like this place. And I don't want it in trouble in any way. No, definitely. We do have some group pricing and also some passes that you can purchase that include the water park in them. And we can provide you with that information. But certainly that is part of the dynamic marketing and pricing strategies that we'd like to continue to explore. And in maximizing that new concessions. We have a question, Mayor Pro Tem. Yeah, along those lines, so I know last year the library had a program where if the kids read, I think it was, I don 't remember how many hours of reading it was, but they were able to get, was it a free water park day? Or what was the program exactly? Yes, I believe so. And we with them partnered and hosted that. Yes. So, is it possible to have more of those types of events where you have either free days or low cost days but still achieve some type of recovery goal? Yes, absolutely. We can continue to develop those not only with our other city departments, but we've got programs like that with some local businesses like DATCU. If you've got kids checking account, they've got a day where they rent it out and all of the kids who hold those, those kid, you know, targeted programs, they have a free day at the water park. So, there are some businesses when you participate in those programs, have those days where they're invited to come out for free. Obviously, the library is one that we do with the internal department and one that we can continue to explore with other departments that may have summer programs. I think we need to, you need to expand that. We have a lot of pre school kids, you know, that do not get to go like that. Maybe if they had, they read so many books or maybe if they did something, you know, you could put it something together like you did for the library and maybe the kids, they could go as a group. Because they're like three and four year olds. They'd have a good time. Yeah, go ahead and then we'll come to Councilman Post, but now Councilmember Gregory. I would suggest that here's a great opportunity for that partnership between the school district and the city again. We've got a lot of kids in schools outside of the city of Denton. Maybe we need to look for some incentive packages to encourage those schools out in these other communities to come aggressively in and use the Denton water park. Yeah, in the library, for that matter. There are all kinds of things that we might could do and maybe we could help you in the marketing process through through the schools in that respect. Because we're husband and then customer. So a couple of thoughts. So I just want to ask that we consider outside of the water park, per se, you know, because that you have that time parking lot, you have CH Collins next to it, you have the ATC catering component. I mean, I think there's festivals there. There's a marketing component that we're absolutely missing because precisely places in Denton where you could have the space, the park that you need have the coverage and see Collins. You use the Concord areas, restrooms, that sort of thing right across the parking lot. You have the skate park for those that do whatever skate parks do. And at the same time, you know, have the water features close by. So I think it's a missed marketing opportunity and it's right along 288 easy to get to. So I just want to ask that that be incorporated in. I do want to. Did Gaurd High School just win something water related? Yes. Yeah, it's a state there for those that didn't know. So I think that's that's outstanding. The boys are running around the girls. The girls were first. The girls. Make sure you know that. Yes, what makes you know the girls are first and the boys are running around. It's good talking about it. Where they come in for for done by the public library reading time. It's free. And the kids get to play there for a few minutes in the in the the child's the toddler area before they're bringing our programs are. So there's there's several ideas of programming that we really haven't touched on in this report. I have a couple of I'll wait till you're finished. And then just building on again the way pool and the the concession stand being new. Consider adopting a restrictive outside food policy at interactive point of sale system for our concession stands. Hire concession consultants to maximize the profitability of the concession stand. Expand revenue generating services at luxury loungers and cabana services. So these are some things that you do see in other water parks. Some features. Of course, this would be a slow implementation of this. But certainly some of the things that we're seeing in terms of the food policy and the addition of the point of sales, the POS system is something that can bring some efficiency and effectiveness to the operations today. While we look at some enhancements moving forward for future services. Councilmember Briggs, do you have a question? Comment. This is a tax funded facility, correct? I mean, is it not at all? Do taxes go towards the water park? Is it treated as a regular park as well? Right now, yes, it is. It should be sold as basically the revenues would offset the expenses. Right now, and the reason we went through this study is there's about a million dollar a year loss on the operations. So, which is split. So one of the things early on when I first started, Dr. Wilson brought that up saying, you know, we really need to get our staffs together, understand why we're losing money, what some options are, that sort of thing. So fees are not covering nearly the operating costs and that operating loss is getting larger every year. Sure, go ahead. Yeah. Then we'll go to Councilmember Gregory. My understanding is that the water park, if you separated that outside of the notatorium, that that part was actually cost recovery. Historically, it does, yes. The way the agreement is written, they're combined. Yes. So it's important that we have our accounting straightened out so we can actively uphold our end of the partnership with the ISD. Okay. Yes. Yes. When was the last time that committee met that was supposed to agree to in the... I believe 2005. Wow. That's been since then. 2005. Councilmember Gregory. Well, part of the wedding bells when the school district and the city married on this thing was, the expectation was , the financial projections were that the revenues from the water park were going to be so much above the operating expenses for the water park that they were going to cover the entire cost of operating the notatorium. And like with a lot of things after the wedding, you know, Christmas comes along and you find out that her family doesn't do Christmas the right way. They think that they're supposed to wrap Santa's Christmas presents and nobody does that. So, so, so... How long does he have left? What we... Yeah, not long. I think we're outside of the post. Quiet. So, so what we discovered was, and I think part of it was because we reduced the scope of the water park. And so it didn't generate quite as much revenue. But the water park has indeed, except for one summer, covered, more than covered, its cost of operations. And the extra money has offset the cost that the school district and the city pay for operating the notatorium. And so that's why it's kind of a delicate dance about, about rates for the water park. So that it, because, because we, we had an agreement that it was anticipating that that was going to offset some of this cost. Yes. Who's? Oh, okay. So I'm understanding the $1 million shortfall isn't through water parks operation. Correct. Okay. It's a, it's so it's basically the notatorium operations. But if we're talking about increasing the cost of the water park to recover $1 million, really, we would be recovering an auditorium cost. Is what, is that my understanding that correctly? Yes, that would be something that the, thank you, that the committee looks at. The idea is actually to pull those apart. Councilmember Gregory's recollection is correct. And I, you know, and the idea, so the idea really is, should the notatorium stand a little bit more on its own? One of the very, one of the themes throughout the recommendation for pros consulting was, you know, are there ways of marketing the notatorium better, scheduling it better, working all those things out? So what I would anticipate is getting the committee together pretty soon and looking at some short-term recommendations and longer-term recommendations as we get our marketing, I guess, projects rolling forward. Yeah, you're right. My main thing is I don't think that there is any room on pricing to go up at all. I think we probably already went too high. And, you know, we had a very animated discussion about that . Just so you know, it didn't just slide through. We were quite concerned about the pricing. But my concern here is with, you know, adding concessions, adopting a restrictive outside food policy, then you're talking about even more costs for people to use the park. And for me, sure, the water park has some type of private function. I can see that. It is a publicly funded space, but it's also essentially a private function. The notatorium is really a public thing. I don't think that there's any way around that. So I guess when we say we have a $1 million loss, I would be concerned if it was on the business side of things, which I think is the water part. But for the notatorium, that's such a public function. I mean, we don't consider, you know, the Civic Center costs as a million dollar loss or what have you. So I guess I'm trying to figure out how we're talking about these numbers. Well, I think the infinity gets down to reframing the conversation, resetting expectations. And if both respective boards are of the opinion that, yes, it is a public amenity, we've tapped out the cost as much as they can go, we can maybe do some incremental increases in revenue here and there through some marketing. And the policy decision is just this, which is what she was talking about early on. This is the level of cost recovery we're comfortable with and perhaps we tax too. And I think what's important though is it's been so long since we've actually had this committee together and really vetted this out. Our main goal is just to try to get some ideas on the table to facilitate the policy discussion from both groups. And if that's where we land, that's where we land. Yeah, but not first, of course. Okay. Well, thanks, Mr. Hussman. I'll just say a couple of things about it being a public place with an auditorium. You know, I believe when I looked at the report, financial performance, that our aquatics program with the district accounted for about 24% of the total attendance at the auditorium. Is that right? I believe it was 34%. I thought when I was looking at whatever it was on one of these report numbers. Annual hours of use for DISD utilization was at 34%. Okay, 34%. That's on page 11 of the assessment and you all have a copy of that. And then the total attendance for DIT and ISD aquatics was 24%. But anyway, so going at it from that standpoint, I think there's some opportunities for us to look at as a school district about some learn to swim programs with our elementary school students. So that our community does not see this as an expense, but rather an investment into the safety of our children from a water aquatic standpoint. So I'm trying to take this to a higher level of analysis instead of looking at every single one of these pennies and everybody evaluating the public good of those things. Let's think about the safety of our children and look at it from that standpoint. Our trustees are very comfortable with our half of the piece of the pie here, especially when you're applying some of the profits from the water part to the bottom line of the auditorium. That's a good contribution from the city's perspective to try to do something for the general benefit of our community overall. To try to look at an auditorium as ever being something that you're going to generate enough revenue for to be self -sustaining. Everybody in this room is going to be behind that. That's just going to be virtually impossible to do. We've got to look at it from the superintendent's perspective as an opportunity for student safety, for enrichment, for education, for benefit to the quality of life of our community. And I appreciate Councilwoman McGarry's point about it's a public facility. We just all have to do a much better job of talking about what that term public means and the benefit to the public of the use of that facility. Other than just looking at here's what the water part raised, here's the divided piece from each one. And I'm as guilty as the next person whenever the bill comes and it's this amount of money and I say, well what are we getting for that, right? So I have to make sure that I can remember that as well. So I think it's a good point to think through all that about how do we expand into more of our schools, our urban swim program like we have at Jennings to other schools. How do we make those things happen? We've talked about this in our small group. And I have a slide on our opportunities. And begin thinking through that. So I think it's an opportunity for us to again collaborate. And I appreciate the city's willingness to evaluate the personnel costs because that's ultimately where most of the expenses are. Right? It's, you know, are we attributing enough people or not enough people or people that are not doing the right things? There's lots of ways to look at that. So I appreciate you working through that. I didn't mean to interrupt you. Councilmember Hussbett. Thank you. No, I think kind of along those lines, I think we're looking at the wrong thing in my opinion, right? When you're looking at a whole cost, right? It's like, hey, it costs this much to get in, but you're not digging into what that provides you. I think you miss a lot, right? If you're just, oh, I just only want to pay $20. We want to pay $20 for what? And what does the average person think $20 thinks $20 will afford them in the park? So I'd like to take it. I like the approach of a planet fitness, per se. They don't care if I come there or not. They get there $11 a month. Right. And so you're getting more people to buy in at whatever rate that is that affords them all the services that they would ordinarily expect. I think the key is bringing more people in, not maximizing the people that are there, the dollars they bring to the table. Right. If I get someone in and they have a flat cost of here, because that's what I look at. Annual membership. How much does that cost? And so I think that's the key is getting more people ent iced to pay whether they're there or not. So you have that kind of that regular cash flow around the year. And then you kind of that goes up and down as people visit. But I just want to take a different. I would advocate taking a different look at it from a value proposition than a straight. Here's how much it costs to get in. And I absolutely know what's coming. So I'm going to tell you right now, I don't want to hear how much they're charging in Grand Prairie versus in Denton . Two different animals. You know, so it really is. Here's Denton. Here's where it's located. Here's what it affords us. And here's the value it brings. And I think that's the key focus. One of the programs at the editorial was presented at our Kiwanis meeting and it's for our special ed students. They are brought there to learn to swim and to experience the editorial. A lot of these students would not otherwise have that opportunity. And it's a very valuable teaching experience for them as well because they do learn how to swim and how to survive in case they end up in the water. I think our Kiwanis club helped subsidize the buses to get them there. But it's a fantastic program for our special ed students. Right here at our natatorium. Oh, yes. I just want to say that saying that we want to maximize probability or increase revenue doesn't mean we're going to raise the ticket price. It means, you know, where are deficiencies in getting people there? People aren't showing up because it costs $100 to bring their family. Is there a way to create a position where we're increasing and getting the maximum number of people using that park at all times, thereby increasing the revenue? You know, if you've got a restaurant, you don't increase your profits by raising your menu prices. You figure out how to get more people in the door to buy more food. And that's that's what we really need to look at when we're looking at maximizing profitability. Absolutely. There are several different components at several different levels that were identified in the assessment and it hit on all of those that we're discussing right now today. I think they're really the baseline is having that conversation, especially with the committee and determining what those classifications are, because as our city manager said, that really sets the expectations. Everybody knows, you know, what we're looking for and what we expect those returns to be. And then we're OK with that when we get that bottom that bottom line figure. Partnership opportunities. In going forward, some of the identified opportunities that in something that we discussed already, certainly with Dr. Wilson, is considering offering the same employee discount to the employees as the city employees are currently receiving. So employees do receive a discount, but it is not at the same level that city of debt and employees receive. So this is one of those type of marketing components where again, you're not we're actually decreasing the price, but we're raising the number of people that are coming in and participating. Yes. Form a planning committee to discuss integration of learn to swim programs and P.E. classes and school curriculum. This recommendation is based directly from the success in some of the current programming that we have right now with D.I.S.D. classes. Maximize marketing opportunities and public schools for all of our parks, programs, facilities, seasonal recruitment for employment and etc. This is going to help across the board. So we already do some program, some of this programming and certainly some of this marketing. And we've got some understanding. A lot of our swimmers from the school swim teams are also some of our lifeguard and seasonal employees. So this is a benefit to both the city and D.I.S.D. long term. And then expand water safety presentations in elementary school. Again, a low cost way to introduce the water park and the natatorium facility to a wider audience, let more people know about it and therefore bringing in more users to the facility. These are just a few opportunities that were again identified. But getting our our group together, specifically the nat atorium committee could open up several more opportunities that would be available to us. Councilmember Briggs had a question. So this is great. I like seeing this. So I know that D.I.S.D. has a large number of children on free and reduced lunches. And those are the children who more than likely are not going to get to go enjoy the water park. So that's a concern of mine. And so I do know I'd like to see maybe adding a few passes to give to the counselors in the schools in each school, because I know that whenever we have events, we give them tickets and they know exactly who to give the kids to. So there may be some other things that we can do as a city to give some of those passes to to hand out to kids who the counselors see do things or so. I like seeing there's other opportunities here for that partnership. And my question on this, will these things come back to the city council individually or will we read me again? How going forward do we hear the committee's updates? Well, certainly we'd want to come back to both to the city council and also to the school board with updates on our progress based on the assessment and the recommendations that are being made. I think the key thing would be to meet with that committee to start reviewing as a group the policies and procedures, recommendations, opportunities that are out there. And then as soon as we get something solid going and moving in the works, come back to both groups with an update on on our progress. Anymore. Oh, is there another slide? Well, I think this is I mean, this is indicative of what we 've been doing here at the city for the last couple years. And that is when this program first began, it was under a whole different set of assumptions, whole different set of goals. You know, it's been now 15, almost 18 years. You've got a 50 year agreement. I really hope that this committee and I don't know if this is the purpose of the committee. But to me, I think we just need to look at it. The whole program in general to almost say, OK, if we had to do this again, starting from scratch, you know, how would we want to do the program? Programming. How would we want to do taking into consideration all the statements that we've had here? Because this is an opportunity to really refine it, tweak it, make it better. But also, I think it's our duty to also figure out how can we make it the most efficient financially that we can by providing the most services. So I don't I don't want us to get stuck in this. It's either about money or it's about giveaways. I mean, I don't I don't see it as that kind of discussion. I don't think that's the narrative. I think it's how do you can combine both of those and find a way that really maximizes it. And this is the opportunity to do that with this committee. And I think it's and if we have to expand that to some degree, if there's not enough people there, if the conversation gets to where there needs to be more involved, I think I certainly would be in favor of that. Comments, questions? Yes. Also, you know, you have down days at that water park. Those red grandbabies dragged me out. They don't care about days. And Mondays and Tuesdays, you know, the early part of the week are are not as many people there. And I like to go and I don't have to keep such a close watch on it. But you could do something in those days. And I know I think her idea about doing the school, you can do contests in the schools, whoever won it got to go to the water park. There's all kinds of things. I've been a teacher and I know I competed by gosh, they put something out there free. We want it. So, you know, teachers are very competitive and we'll get out there and help with it. You know, we really want it to work because we want that three and a quarter to come this way, not go out that way. And that's what they do. So we need to do more things to make them spend their money over here because we're paying for a lot of money. Take out the signal lights. I mean, it's for our better, much more than anything. I'm looking at the money, too. But I don't mind spending it for now. I don't mind spending it on looks great. My babies. There's things we can do out there. And I hope this committee will come up with them. If they don't, you'll hear from any other comments, questions. All right. Seeing none. Thank you. Thank you. Very good. Next item is agenda F for the city. I believe agenda six for the D.I.C.D. Right. Yep. Receive report, hold discussion, guardian school safety, school resource officer program, a memorandum of understanding the heroes helping program and any programs of services between the police department and independent school district. You got five minutes. Good afternoon. I appreciate the opportunity to have five minutes to discuss security issues. Obviously, I'm getting a couple of topics. Briefly, this item can encompass any kind of security issue that you want to discuss. But the two main topics today I was going to discuss with the school resource officer program and the heroes helping program and the school resource officer program. We've talked a lot about partnerships. I think that's probably one of the longest and most successful partnerships that the two entities have had. We provide six officers under that program, three for each of the high schools and three for the middle schools that are in the city limits. Just one of the recent topics of conversation about that program was the way that it's funded. And as you're maybe aware, beginning July 1st at the beginning of the school district fiscal year 1819, the program distribution of the funding has been altered where the school district will pick up half of that program. For many, many years, the city has picked up 75 percent of the program or approximately 75 percent of the program. The school district has agreed to pick up 50 percent now beginning at this fiscal year. The school resource program, of course, is the goals are to promote a safe environment for the children and reduce criminal offenses within the schools and to establish rapport with the students, the faculty and administrators. In a very safe and non confrontational environment and be glad to answer any questions regarding that before going to the next topic. Any questions on the resource officer program? Okay, I want to thank Dr. Wilson for inviting me to the kickoff of the heroes helping program at Woodrow Wilson about a month ago. And again, as you know, this is a program that invites uniform police officers firefighters and military personnel to come have a free meal in the cafeteria of any of the schools. I found Woodrow Wilson cafeteria food to be actually quite pretty good. There's a lot of good healthy choices and is very tasty and kindergarten class there is very intuitive and inquisitive and great and very bright energetic group of kids. I'm happy to to say that as of April 30th, there's been 157 heroes helping meal served at the 19 campuses. So very successful so far. We're moving right along with that. April 30th this year. Yes. Yeah, it's only been up for a little over a month. All right. Yeah, it's wonderful. So the couple of other topics of recent security that we've been trying to address are mainly some communication issues between the schools and this, the mainly our communication center. We've asked the tech services departments of both entities to explore restoring the camera systems to where we can monitor those in our communication center we lost that capability. After having it for several years we lost it with an upgrade a couple of years ago in the district program so are the technology there. So we're working toward that. We've enhanced the radio coverage recently by equipping the ice D dispatch with one of our communication channel so that they can communicate directly with our comm center in an emergency via our radio system. And we've also equipped our SRO is recently with an application a phone application, which allows them to communicate with our communication center from their cell phone just in case the radio system has a dead spot or an issue with it. We're also looking at a couple of dead spots that we have found within the larger school buildings, and we're addressing those that's that's very common all over the city and large multi story buildings. We're trying to address those as best we can. So, are those dead spots itself coverage and or radio coverage what what are they, it's mainly our radio system is mainly getting out of on our portable and hitting a repeater tower to hit to communicate back to the comm center. Of course we stay in close contact with Bill nine and other many other school officials, including Dr Wilson and several the principles, and I will will pause there and see if there's any other questions or other topics that you'd like us to address. I do have. So, I'm sure there is but the protocol let's say for instance that there's something that's happening at school there's been a couple incidents that what is the, is there a standard operating procedure of somebody be called 911 if you're in a school and you see something or is it this radio communication that we're setting up or is there some kind of protocol for that. And if so, are you able to speak about it. Well, it would depend on the type of issue. Traditionally, of course we get their initial notification usually via cell phones within the school of any incidents are going on sometimes from office areas administrative areas in the school. So, other than that but now we have a an additional way to communicate through the radio systems that directly in case of what you were talking about is that yes. Gregory, are we conducting with the city and the school district. Yes, we have done that in the past and we'll continue that continuing that currently just the brief overview of what that's about. It's a matter of sitting down with the school officials in hopefully every school takes us a while to get around to all of them that are in the city, but we sit around and discuss emergency operations and response police responses and EMD responses to the school. What happens during lockdowns and evacuation procedures and things like that so it's it's a pretty comprehensive discussion. Yes. I have the privilege of working with law enforcement from throughout the state on an ongoing basis through our Institute. And one of the most important topics that comes up on a regular basis is school safety. And I want to come in Chief how I want to come in Bill night and the interaction and the cooperation and the communication that I see going on in the community. If you look at what's going on in a lot of other places, I think what you'd find is that we other places often don't have the degree of cooperation and communication that we've been able to establish here in Denton. That is absolutely vital to the ultimate public safety of our school children in Denton. And, you know, it's, we don't have any perfect system, but I am really proud of what we have in the way it's working and the cooperation that we have going on between the city and the school district and we just all need to stay committed to that and make sure that it continues to grow and develop. Yes. Question about the sorrows general question if if there's an issue with a student. It's not, you know, like a big threatening one, but just an issue with a student like something is found or there's a fight. Does that sorrow that's in the school take care of that or is there another patrol is there another unit that's called to the school, if, if anything happens. Generally the, the officer on site will first respond and handle those, if at all possible. In fact, they will also investigate some of the incidents that might occur that are criminal offenses that may require follow up investigation until it becomes a really complex issue and we turn it over to some of our investigators. Having them in the school, the other units, the other officers are allowed to stay on the street. Yes, that's one benefits of the program obviously is having someone there on site, much shorter response time, and not drawing other officers from across the town to handle things at the school. Someone they know. Those have a great deal of ownership on our campuses, they have a great deal of respect from the students there. It's, it's a wonderful wonderful working relationship with everyone we we kind of, we kind of concerned ours. A lot, because they're an integral part of our campus. Yes. That's what me I just said enough. A lot of times, somebody will tip the SRO off that these two guys are talking trash, and it gets dipped in the bud before it ever becomes a problem. It's because of the trust relationship that is built up. It 's a real pipeline from the department into the student body . So that, I mean, you read about gangs and other towns you don't read about here, and a lot of the reason is, we have people that our kids talk to, and stuff like that doesn't get ahead of us. I know that trust is a big player in that. Do you take into account. When they're the officers are assigned to they stay assigned to the school like for several years or is it. Do you try to reassign that. To the same school so that that relationship is. It's a good question now we don't make a habit of rotating them in and out. If, if an officer is well suited and has a skill set to really bond with children and the faculty. They've there many of those have stayed in place for for a good while. So, we try to leave that alone as best we can. Mayor protein. Unusual I think for police departments and even other departments. So I want to commend you first on that because I think that's a huge part of policing effectively. And so the second thing I wanted to say was, it's a question and it has to do with an article I read which could or could not be accurate. But one of the things that they talked about was the fact that in some places when there's an increased police presence, the students of color specifically black students and Latino students have a higher rate of incarceration and juvenile Paul. So I was wondering if we keep track of demographics when when we have these incidents that require juvenile outcomes like juvenile justice outcomes. We do track those and I'm sorry I wouldn't prepare to answer that but I can get that for you. I don't know if other places track it. My guess is that that is different but I just wanted to kind of make sure that was different. That we weren't a part of that type of demographic. Okay. I think you should give that report on blacks as well as Hispanics. I'd like to know that. Yeah, and just distribute it to the appropriate staff to get it to the respective policy making . Okay. I think we have to see you know what is the demographic at that school versus the actual right. Any other questions for the chief. This is your chance. He's up there. No, it's good. Any other. Any other questions comments. Thank you, chief. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. I think that leaves out yeah we just have concluding items, discuss and set future meeting times and dates and locations. You want to do that now you want to have you and Jamie get together and work that out or. Yes, certainly. Okay. Okay. Yes, Councilmember has been talking to someone to come back with the with the breakout of the current attend student count for didn't proper versus the other cities that I hear that get out. I think you just did. Okay. But yeah, I'd like to see that kind of that breakout current and then okay, the projection. We said that one more time. Yes. So the current and the projected student counts for didn't proper versus the other . I can put that together for you. Also in that demographic report that you have. Yes. If you will take the the run high feeder pattern and the didn't have feeder pattern that'll get you close. Okay. It's already done for 10 years and those two on those two slides, but I can surely go back and do some other. Because there is a portion of guy or course that that lives in the city that right different pieces and here and there but the right hand and then have to get you close then I have some others that we can add to. Okay, thank you. Any other comments questions if not, I will close this portion. Oh, go ahead, concluding item concluding item sure . Yeah, I thought, go ahead. Just one different because we didn't discuss it and it's it 's pretty important to me and update on the homeless students in the ISD. And if we could separate that out to didn't per se and how how you count them. I know that we do a point time count and in that count the students are counted in that population and so for us to have an accurate idea for our city, it would be good to include that information somehow. I know that in the middle school we are in I've heard that there's 11 students that are actually homeless. And I know that we have started a food pantry with first refuge, which is fantastic in our PTA has been able to put some money in there for toiletries and whatnot. And if you plan to allow that or do that at other schools, I would like to know that as well. Last time we were there. And strictly strictly well strictly was in our magazine. Any other concluding items? Just real quick. Once if you have if there's a contact with the city that we can send that housing that homeless report to we do we do it weekly in the district. But there's somebody I can send it to the city of Utah. We'll make it happen. That I mean, we we keep up with that weekly with Miss Hayfl ick and her office. So it's not a what you're asking is not I mean, I can probably pull out of my email. Thank you. We'd love to have that. All right. Well, seeing none, I will close this portion of the city council meeting and I will close this portion of the ISP board. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.