Good afternoon.
I wanted to welcome everyone to this meeting of the Dent
City Council on Tuesday, March
the 22nd, 2010.
It is 3.02 and we do have a quorum.
Our first item on the agenda is citizen comments on consent
agenda items and we do have two
cards for consent agenda item 3B.
Yeah, I just think that's just...
The first speaker will be Michael Hennan.
If you'll come on up to the mic and state your name and
address and your time will begin
and I believe is it three minutes?
Three minutes?
Yes.
Thank you, Mayor.
I am Michael Hennan.
I live at 724 Thomas Street in Denton.
I'm speaking on behalf of the Denton Drilling Awareness
Group and I'm asking council with
regard to the issue on your consent agenda, which is 3B,
dealing with the Brattle Group's
study of the DME proposal, that the Brattle Group be urged
to consider a 30-year assessment
of the DME energy plan, not just a 20-year span, which I
understood the DME to be looking
at.
So we think the life of those plans is longer than 20 years
and we'd like to have the study
consider that longer period of time.
Also we are interested in having the Brattle Group analyze
the plan that's been proposed,
which is a 70% renewable plan plus reliance on ERCOT, not
just reliance on the Peker plants.
I understand I've seen the contract that the city manager
has proposed and I agree that
it's vague enough maybe to include what I have suggested,
but it's also not specifically
stated in there, so I wanted to be sure that there's some
citizen request that those factors
be considered.
And that's all I have.
Okay.
Thank you, Michael.
Next speaker will be Ken Gold.
If you'll come up, state your name and address and your
time will begin.
And this is on this agenda item, is it 3B?
Yes.
Yeah, okay.
Yes.
Thank you, Mayor, members of the council.
My name is Ken Gold.
I live at 2512 Natchez Trace here in Denton and I too am
talking about consent agenda item
3B.
I think this is something that is worthy of an open full
discussion and presentation in
a regular meeting of the council rather than a consent
agenda.
Many people work this time of day and aren't able to come
to a work session and put their
two cents in.
And I think this is something that has been requested by
many people in the public for
a long time.
I think that we need to, that they're entitled to a better
discussion of the details of this
agreement and what is going to be studied.
And that's why I urge you to pull it off the consent agenda
item 3B.
Okay.
Thank you.
All right.
Thank you, Ken.
All right.
Seeing no more cards, we'll go to agenda item number two,
which is request for clarification
of agenda items listed on today's agenda.
Any requests for clarification?
Seeing none.
Okay.
Let me just look at my notes right quick just to make sure
because I did this last night
and I could forget.
My computer will come up.
I'll come back to that if I have any.
We'll go on to work session reports.
Work session 3A, receive a report and hold discussion, give
staff direction regarding
the city's budgeting, rate setting and cost recovery
processes for internal service funds
and utility funds of the city.
Thank you, Mayor.
Our Director of Finance, Chuck Springer, will be handling
this item.
Thank you, Howard.
I've got a very short presentation on this topic.
That's it.
Thanks.
Really going over just kind of expanding what we touched on
last time, some different types
of funds that we budget, internal service funds and
enterprise funds.
These are really just the topics I'm going to cover in
detail on these two types of funds.
Let me kind of summarize here and then I'll go through how
they receive funding as well
as kind of their purposes on future slides.
But we've got six internal service funds of the city,
technology services, materials
management which is our warehouse and purchasing, fleet
management, the risk retention
fund for our outside insurance and self insurance, the
health insurance fund and the engineering
services fund.
So these budgets are kind of in accounting terms, we kind
of double count them.
In other words, we budget these funds and then there's cost
of service transfers from
operating funds to these funds.
So they're set aside really so we can make sure that we
recover all these costs but they're
charged out to the operating funds and enterprise funds
based on their service usage and I'll
go over that in a minute.
So the purpose of them is really to centralize these
services and fully cost and recover
these services from the funds that they're providing
service to.
In terms of descriptions of the six funds, technology
services is really all of the city's
computer, telephone, software, help desk support, GIS
system and applications or software development.
The materials management fund is our centralized purchasing
function and warehouse services.
The fleet management fund, we have centralized vehicle
maintenance and it also is centralized
fuel. The risk retention fund is the liability insurance
coverage.
Health insurance fund is for employee health benefits, also
dental and life insurance coverage
and the engineering services fund really has three
components, the engineers, real estate
services and public works inspection.
In terms of how we charge the services out across the city
for technology services and
several of the funds have a couple different methods for
different types of services.
Some of it's based on the computers, number of computers
and phones in your operation,
help desk calls and software packages supported.
For materials management, purchasing services are broken
down based on the number of purchase
orders issued for each area and then warehouse services are
based on inventory purchases.
Whatever is purchased out of the warehouse by the
departments is charged to those departments.
Fleet management is based on an hourly maintenance charge
when the vehicles are brought in and
fuel purchases is just based on the amount that's purchased
in fuel.
Risk retention is just based on the number of employees by
fund, those costs are broken
down, health insurance is a total annual cost allocated per
employee for health insurance.
Engineering services is based on services provided to
internal customers.
Oh yes, sorry, go ahead, yes.
Chuck, so for an example on engineering services, is that
only our internal cost or does that
include the total number, does it include outsourced
engineering as well?
That's just our internal cost.
If there's outsourced engineering, it's usually charged
directly to the capital project or
the department that's using it, but those are internal
staffing costs and those other
costs.
And those are charged, I'm sorry.
Real quick, I'm sorry Chuck, follow up on that one.
It says internal and external customers?
For public works inspection, some of that is charged to the
outside projects, private
projects that receive public works inspections, so that one
is charged outside and inside
some of the inspection they do as internal projects and
outside.
So the internal is more of a transfer of funds, whereas the
external, they'll actually be
writing a check that'll be coming in.
Yeah, it's a revenue source that's partially outside.
And on the fleet management fund, and I'd probably say this
on all these, some of my
questions don't really apply to them, but do we
periodically go back and try to benchmark
what we're charging based upon what is out in the
marketplace?
Like let's say fleet management fund, based on an hourly
maintenance charge, of course
it's pretty easy to ascertain to some degree what shops are
charging for different types
of work.
When we're going through the budget process, we compare
ourselves to, they usually do a
survey of some outside services to make sure we're
competitive with those.
And we've been competitive or a little bit below.
Now not 100% of their work is in-house.
Some of the work that's really specialized, they go outside
to do, but for all the internal
work, we track our hourly maintenance charges and kind of
compare it to the local charges
of other shops.
And that would be the same for like technology services
fund, okay.
We're trying to provide IT services and support for all
these different components.
We sort of have an idea if we were going to contract that
out to somebody, this is what
it would be.
On some of them, probably the contract out would be most
common on like a help desk.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
So we kind of compare that.
Okay.
Thank you.
Some of those I should mention for technology services is
all of the software maintenance
is kind of centralized there and then charged out to the
departments.
So that's a large portion of that cost.
Kind of switching from the internal service funds, the
other ones I want to go over are
enterprise funds, which is kind of business activity type
funds.
And the large ones, electric, water, wastewater, and solid
waste.
Our airport fund is also an enterprise fund for accounting
purposes.
And really you're segregating these funds for which a fee
is charged to users for goods
and services.
They also pay for the cost of service transfers to the
internal service funds.
And these definitions, one, two, three definitions is
really from accounting rules.
Is their debt back solely by fees and charges?
Do they have legal requirements to cover cost or a policy
decision to recover their cost?
Council Member Hawkins.
And on that airport fund, does that include some of the gas
well royalties?
Yes.
Can you explain that then a little bit more?
Well, when the, there was some land under the airport that
was leased for gas wells,
so those revenues, because the airport receives federal
funding, they're required that those
revenues based on any property owned by the airport goes
directly back to the airport.
So they receive all the lease and royalties for gas wells
based on airport property.
And that, we're looking to expire that operation in a
couple years, that gas well royalty is
going to go to another fund, am I understanding that?
No, I think it's just declining in terms of the revenue
source is somewhat declining.
So we may have more difficulty having that as a self-supp
orting fund sometime in the
future as those funds decline.
Thanks.
And in terms of the goals for the enterprise fund of rates
and self-sufficiency, you know,
they're based on cost of service annually reviewed by the
staff and we generally for
the utilities do an outside review of all of their cost and
rates on a five-year interval
from an external consultant.
We try to incrementally adjust rates to achieve our revenue
targets so we don't have any kind
of one-time spike or increase.
We also try to make sure it's equitable across different
classes that residential customers,
commercial customers, all are kind of paying their fair
share.
We try to remain competitive for the utility rates.
For electric, we compare to other cities as well as private
and for water and wastewater
rates we compare ourselves to other cities.
And you know, just ensure that the funds are balanced and
kind of have a long-term resiliency,
maintaining prudent reserve levels.
Just like the general fund, they have reserve levels that
are set and adjusted from time
to time to make sure they can handle downturns.
The most recent year, if we have a wet summer, the water
utility tends to suffer in terms
of revenues and can have losses in some years.
So we try to maintain a reserve to cover those down years.
In terms of the budget process, the internal service funds
really start first.
When you think about all the other funds, the enterprise
and the governmental funds,
they're going to need to know what their internal service
fund charges are as they begin developing
their budget.
So they really start in January and then look at their
affordability and their cost and
make adjustments as necessary.
The enterprise funds also start a little earlier.
One of the reasons is other than the airport, all of the
utilities and solid waste go through
the public utility board and have several meetings during
the budget process to look at their
budgets.
So they begin a little bit early.
They come to council at the same time.
The airport fund follows the same process as governmental
funds in terms of the budgeting
process and then it's combined all together what comes to
the city council at the beginning
of August in terms of a proposed budget.
With that, I've just kind of got another overview of what's
coming next in terms of budget information
over the next couple of months to the council beginning
with the fire department presentation
on April 4th.
And we'll kind of go over the final funds that we budget on
the 5th, the capital improvement
budget and miscellaneous funds or special revenue funds.
With that, I'll open it up to questions.
>> Does this schedule seem to follow last year's schedule
or are we trying to get a
little bit ahead of it?
>> Well in terms of the timing of the proposed budget will
still be the same.
We've tried to add a lot of additional information so that
we've kind of gone over these different
types of funds and then the major departments, we're trying
to bring those to you before
the proposed budget.
So in terms of it's earlier that we're discussing the
budget this year as well as there's additional
sessions ahead of time in terms of the budget this year.
But in terms of the timing of when the proposed budget
comes to the city council, that's still
the same.
That's driven mainly by we don't get the final assessed
valuation until late July.
>> Okay.
>> Mayor Pro Tem.
>> Thank you.
Now it seems that my memory serves that on April 26th was
also going to be the time when
we would talk about any kind of council concerns that we're
supposed to be sending our information
into the city manager and that we'll have a discussion on
that on the 26th also.
>> Yes.
>> I don't see it on there but I --
>> I think it's really part of the strategic plan update
and strategic outcomes really.
What is the council's direction for the budget process so
as much detail or generalized we
think that's kind of appropriate for that discussion.
>> Okay.
Thank you.
>> I guess to follow up on that because I know at the first
presentation we did sort
of an overview in this new process we're trying to develop
that you -- that staff was wanting
if there were some concerns that council had -- let's say
for example the one I'll bring
up as sort of an example.
There's that one cent assumption of one cent O and M and
that if there was something that
we wanted to express to you now you'd rather hear the
concerns now as far as if it's a
rate or like last year there was something about raises and
salaries and so you'd want
to hear those kind of things on the front end at least be
aware of them instead of -- okay.
I just want to make sure and is this the time, this April
26th, is that when we would be
talking about those kind of issues?
>> I think we'll be talking about them but we'll take that
kind of information at any
of these meetings along the way.
Any of those that are posted for budget discussions we can
have those type of discussions.
It's not just restricted to the 26th.
I think George had put in his memo that he sent out to the
council if he could have those
back by the 26th so that could be discussed then but at any
point along this time we're
open to taking direction and feedback.
>> Okay.
All right.
Great.
Any other questions?
Yes.
Councilmember Rodin.
>> I'll just comment that I like this kind of breaking it
up into chunks.
This presentation that you did today would normally be, as
I recall, a part of a much
larger presentation in which we'd be sitting here for a
couple hours and gloss over enterprise
funds or gloss over some of these.
So this helps, I know for me, to write my mind around it
and get us prepared for it
prior to this summer.
So thanks for that.
And I guess on the enterprise funds, because I know I
believe there was some information
sent out on debt levels just recently as far as how much
debt we had for general fund,
tax fund and all that.
And so on the enterprise funds, any debt associated with
those funds, let's say electricity,
water, sewer, whether they're GOs or COs.
Based upon what you just presented, then those revenues
from those systems are pledged to
pay that debt.
Is that correct?
>> Correct.
>> And then the only thing is if it's a CO, you have the
pledge of the revenue, but yet
there's this sort of underlying kind of catch all, I don't
want to say liability, but recourse
that is the tax rate or something.
There's really an additional tax pledge that gives the debt
a higher rating and lowers
the interest cost because of the additional tax pledge
combined with that revenue pledge.
Where revenue bonds would strictly only have a pledge of
the revenues of the system, typically
didn't sold water, wastewater and electric together with
the system pledge of all three.
Revenue bonds only have a pledge of that revenue stream
where COs have a pledge of that revenue
stream plus a property tax pledge which is really kind of
like a backup pledge.
And what that does is they have a higher rating COs because
of that additional revenue pledge
and lower interest cost when we sell that debt.
>> Okay.
>> Yes.
>> And Chuck, do you know, have we ever had a situation
where the revenues didn't cover
it and we had to dip into other revenue sources to be able
to cover the debt?
>> No.
>> No.
>> No.
>> Thank you.
>> Okay.
Any other questions on this presentation?
Thank you, Chuck.
Appreciate that.
Oh, go ahead.
Yes.
>> You're going to do -- you have another presentation,
right?
>> Oh, do you?
>> Are you --
>> I wasn't going to do the next one.
I think it's loaded.
Was it the --
>> Which one am I missing?
>> Well, there was another backup piece and I thought it
was going to be --
>> Oh, oh, oh, yeah.
There's a backup piece that gave some history.
The mayor -- I don't have it in the presentation.
The mayor had asked for a 10-year breakdown of property tax
revenues and sales tax revenue
as a percent of general fund revenues and that's attachment
to within there.
It's not really part of the presentation but it's
additional information that was requested.
>> Yes, go ahead.
>> You know, we have on that schedule April 26th a
discussion of a lot of those things
and if the council would indulge me, I would like to talk a
little bit about an initiative
that I'm interested in the staff exploring but I don't want
to waste any of the staff
members' time in developing cost estimates for this if
there's not really an interest
in the part of council.
So if you would indulge me, if that would be okay.
>> And it's regarding this budget discussion.
>> It's regarding this budget discussion.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> And I think this is what you and I discussed.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> So I don't know -- >> Do you know which one it is?
>> It's up in the corner.
>> Okay.
>> All right.
We'll do it here.
And if you just -- I'll use the up and down keys to go
backward and forward.
>> This is scary, isn't it?
>> I have a question.
>> No, no question.
By the way, it occurs to me that we need a clock on this
wall so that the presenter here
can see how long we're taking.
Could y'all make that happen?
>> That's a good idea.
Okay.
You just spent one minute talking about this.
Let's get moving.
>> When we had a discussion a while back about the IAOF
cemetery and ordinance to make sure
that it was clear that we were not discriminating against
anyone that wanted to be buried there,
I got thinking I need to go visit that place.
And after all, according to some council members, I'll
probably be using those facilities sooner
than anybody else here.
So I went.
And I also went because a friend had said -- she's a storyt
eller and she said we need
to go there and do some exploration.
There's a lot of history out there.
And I realized that immediately when I got there when I saw
that that cemetery was established
in 1860.
So there's a historical marker there with a lot of
interesting information.
I will not read it to you.
But there's also a special historic Texas cemetery marker
there.
So we have some restrictions on what we do out there.
It's just fascinating to see.
And you can just look at these sets of tombstones and know,
wow, that's a family.
There's kids there along with an adult.
There are some beautiful tombstones out there that ex
quisite artwork that was carved.
Several different places.
Now some of the tombstones have been damaged because of
wear and tear or vandals.
There's tombstones that sell fascinating stories.
And this is a tombstone that's over 100 years old.
Tombstones -- there are a number that have this type of
design with tree trunks and information
on them.
Here is a fascinating tombstone that -- look up closer and
see the detail work.
And it has a poem.
Remember stranger as you pass by, as you are now so once
was I.
As I am now, you must be preparing life to follow me.
So there's not only history here.
There's poetry.
For Lizzie Barnett, the death of a good woman is only the
commencement of a higher life.
It is like the morning star that rising never sets but
melts away into the pure light of
heaven.
This is an interesting place to go visit.
There are well-known people buried at this cemetery.
Emily Fowler this week at the chamber banquet will be
giving out the Otis Fowler award.
There they are.
Family plots of long established families.
Lots of names in the cemetery that you'll recognize.
In fact street names all around.
It's an active cemetery.
Folks visit regularly their loved ones.
You can see here that somebody took a belt buckle and left
it there on the gravestone.
I understand that there are about 25 funerals a year, 25
burials a year at this and our
other cemetery in town.
But there are problems.
There is a lot of damage that has happened to a lot of
these gravestones.
This one has just fallen over.
This one will be falling over fairly soon.
You'll see these others back in the background right here
and right here.
They have fallen over.
And somebody reset them so that they would be more
permanent.
There's crypts that are literally crumbling, falling apart.
And folks, we're the stewards.
We are responsible for this.
This is the city-owned cemetery.
Nothing gets fixed here unless the council directs dollars
to get this fixed.
This is what a crypt is supposed to look like.
But even this one has some damage and in a few years it's
going to be moving towards
the direction that that other crypt was in.
Other tombstones that are near falling over.
Here is the -- you can see this when you're driving down
Carroll Boulevard, the little
workshop building.
I am sure that it's only by the grace of God or something
that the city has not received
a citation from community improvement services because that
building is in need of improvement.
So I decided to go over to the Oakwood cemetery.
That's another city-owned cemetery and that is right next
to Fredmore Park.
I thought that it was a cemetery reserved for African
Americans.
But look at the date, 1857.
This is an older cemetery.
This was our first cemetery.
It too has a historical marker.
Fascinating information.
First people buried there, 1857.
A lady who was pregnant traveling through Denton gave birth
.
She died in childbirth.
She's buried there.
A couple of days later the child died.
The baby is buried there.
Fascinating information.
It's also a historic Texas cemetery.
Interesting tombstones there.
Variety.
I love this.
Notice the wife's name.
Tennessee.
Tennessee.
They also have family plots and they also have some
problems with tombstones that are
falling.
Died 1875.
Here's another above ground crypt that is worth repaired
than those over at the IWF.
Here's a tombstone that it was just sitting like that when
I walked up to it.
They can be repaired.
Here's one that was broken and they put it in concrete to
kind of preserve it.
I don't know if that's the best way to preserve it but it
seems better than it being lost.
Here's another one that's preserved that way.
Here's some that didn't get preserved at all.
They're gone.
I would assume that we have records that would show the
people that are buried in those places
but we have no idea.
I guess what I'm trying to say is we have a responsibility
as the citizens, as the stewards,
as the owners of this cemetery.
I don't think that there is anywhere near enough revenue
from the money that we bring
in on burials to cover the cost of the kinds of repairs.
So what I'm asking is if there are enough council members
interested to direct staff
to come up with some estimates for us of ways, methods,
whether it means that we add staff,
whether it means that we have to do a contract or something
like that in order to start working on this.
I don't know that it can be a one-year process.
I have no idea what the cost would be.
But I don't want us to waste staff time in doing something
like this unless there's enough interest
on council because there's no point in having staff spend
their time on something
and then for us to just out and out reject it.
I suspect the cost may be significant.
So that's my little presentation.
I'll come back and sit down for the discussion.
>> Councilmember Hawkins.
>> I'm interested in this, Dalton.
I'm just curious if there's any restricted funds that
somehow could be used for any
of like the art type aspects or, you know, maybe it doesn't
matter.
>> Well, I think that would be something for staff to
explore.
I had asked Emerson Borle when I talked to him about this
if they had checked to see
if there were any statewide grants.
And he said that there had been some investigation at one
time.
He did not know -- he didn't think that there were any
available.
But there might be a possibility of a friends organization
forming that would help
with some ongoing things, but I don't know.
And that's something for staff to let us know about.
>> Okay.
>> Who's -- would this fall under parks or who's -- does
this fall under parks?
Okay. Any comments on -- I mean, I don't have a problem
with exploring it to see what it is.
I mean, you know, I certainly need some more information to
know what kind of decision
to make, but to say we're not going to --
I don't think we should do anything -- that's not really
acceptable to me,
but I'd like to certainly have some more information on it
because these are historical landmarks within our city.
And at one point, there was a drive to put a wrought iron
fence around --
>> Well, there's actually some work going on in that regard
.
>> Okay.
>> And the -- on the Oakwood Cemetery, part of it has no
fence at all.
>> Okay. Yeah.
>> Part of it is fenced and it's a chain link fence.
There's a chain link fence around the IAOF cemetery.
Part of it has been damaged due to cars running into it.
There had been some work done on -- and they have selected
a design that has been approved
by the Historic Landmark Commission for a replacement fence
that would be more appropriate
than that chain link fence.
And they have a project or they have plans in place for
slowly replacing that.
>> Okay.
>> All right.
>> I thought I saw -- go ahead.
Oh, no, I'm sorry.
>> I was just going to add my voice to I am comfortable
with staff looking into this.
And I appreciate that presentation.
That was a fun look into something that, you know, we tend
psychologically to avoid more often
than not for probably good reasons, but I think that's an
important point to bring up.
So thanks for doing that.
>> Well, as that tombstone said, well, I'll be there.
>> Exactly.
>> All right.
Good. Thank you.
Any other comments?
Oh, Kaylee, I'm sorry.
Yes.
>> I, too, am comfortable exploring it.
And it looks like there possibly could be a grant from the
Texas Historical Commission
on preserving historic cemeteries that we could look into
as well.
So there might be some things out there for us.
>> Great. All right.
Fantastic.
Yes.
>> I would just say for staff as we're investigating, I
definitely want to go take a look
at what our options are, but maybe to break it into buckets
, right?
So there's fencing, there's grounds, and then there's
restoration of headstones,
which, you know, that's almost like an art.
So maybe if what staff comes back with could be broken out
into buckets,
so maybe it's a phased kind of program, or at a minimum,
we need to have good fences around these things.
We need to keep the grounds well.
And, but on restoration of statues or restoration of head
stones, that's probably something we don't have
the ability to do in-house, so maybe if they can come back
with different estimates in buckets,
so we can pick and choose.
>> Yes.
>> Dalton, your storyteller friend, are there actual tours
that are given through there?
>> Not that I know of.
>> Not that you know of?
I don't even know if that's allowed or not, so.
>> Yeah, I don't think that it's where it can be locked at
night, but I don't know for sure.
I've not tried to go there at night.
>> Yeah, I want to do a spring break with you next year.
That sounds like you learned some stuff.
>> I'm a blast in the cemetery.
>> Okay, thank you.
Any other questions or comments?
Fantastic. Thank you.
Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.
I think that ended the presentation of the work session
reports.
We will now move into closed session.
At 336, we will consider the following items.
Consultation with attorneys under Texas Government Code
section 551.071.
Deliberations regarding real property under Texas
Government Code section 551.072.
Deliberations regarding certain public power utilities,
competitive matters under Texas
Government Code section 551.086.
And if somebody could close those blinds, please.
Sorry about that, Brandon. See you down there.
>> Good evening.
I wanted to welcome everyone to this meeting of the Denton
City Council.
It's Tuesday, March the 22nd, 2015, and it is 6.36 PM.
If you would, stand with me if you're able to pledge
allegiance to the US and the Texas flag.
Thank you.
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of
America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one
nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for
all.
>> Honor the Texas flag.
I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God,
one indivisible.
>> I'm going to come down for a proclamation.
>> Well, thank you all for coming.
Is this on?
>> Hello?
>> Hello.
>> It's on.
Yeah, this is a proclamation for Mental Health and Intell
ectual Disability Awareness Day,
and I wanted to give you all an opportunity to say a few
words and introduce all that
you have here.
>> Hello.
I'm Pam Gutierrez.
I'm with Denton County MH MAR.
I'm the executive director, and I'm so pleased to be here.
Thank you all so much for your support of our center and
for what we do.
We're very proud of what we do, and we're so honored to be
here tonight.
And I'm going to let everybody introduce themselves.
>> Thank you.
I'm Mark Thompson of Goodwill Denton.
>> I'm Larry West.
I'm with Denton County MH MAR Center, and I represent the
intellectual and developmental
disabilities side of our services.
I'm Claudette Fetty, and I am with the School of Occup
ational Therapy, but we support the
ABLE disabled group at the Denton Community Health Clinic.
>> Fantastic.
Well thank all of you for what you do in our community and
the people that you help, because
it's just critical with the population that you're working
with.
So thank you so much for your commitment and your sacrifice
and your willingness to really
help those who need help.
So it's with honor that I read this proclamation.
I've got to get bifocals, but I just refuse to do it.
Proclamation by the mayor of the city of Denton, Texas.
Greetings.
Whereas the city of Denton recognizes the fundamental
promise that all citizens living
with a physical or mental disability should be treated with
respect, dignity, and compassion.
And whereas Americans with disabilities make up about
almost one-fifth of our population,
we are unemployed at a rate that is twice that of people
without disabilities.
And whereas in Denton County, approximately 77,136 people
have been diagnosed with mental
illness.
In 2012, 10,433 Denton County children ages 0 to 15 were
reported as having ADD or ADHD.
4,796 met the criteria for severe emotional disturbance.
And whereas organizations such as Goodwill Industries, Dent
on County MHMR, Denton Community
Health Clinic, and Youth and Family Counseling are together
to raise awareness and counsel
and treat those affected by physical, developmental, and/or
mental health disabilities.
Groups such as Able Disabled, supported by the TWU School
of Occupational Therapy, and
the Denton Community Health Clinic are working to enable
participation in meaningful roles
and the opportunity to contribute meaningfully to their
communities.
And whereas groups such as Proussammers, Ark of Denton
County, and ARK Self Advocates,
Denton County Federation of Families, and NAMMI are
bringing their deep understanding
of the needs of people with physical, intellectual, or
mental health challenges, and of best practices
to reduce stigma and exclusion in our community.
And whereas every resident in business in Denton can help
address the issue in our community
by being aware of these individuals, groups, and
organizations and their work by practicing
inclusion as business owners and potential employers and
compassion as citizens.
And today, nearly 30 years ago, President Ronald Reagan
declared March as Developmental
Disability Month.
Let us honor this month by embracing our differences and
working together to overcome the challenges.
Now therefore, I, Chris Watts, Mayor of the City of Denton,
Texas, do hereby declare and
proclaim March 22, 2016, as Mental Health and Intellectual
Disability Awareness Day in
the City of Denton and urge all citizens to be aware of our
citizens with physical and
mental disabilities and to treat them with the dignity and
respect they deserve.
Thank you all so much.
I want to just give you an opportunity to say a couple
words if you'd like.
Let's give them a hand.
Because I know right now through the behavioral health
leadership team and things such as
that, the city is intricately involved with United Way and
Denton County MHR and other
organizations to really try to increase the opportunities
for people that are in need.
So just take a few moments if you would.
Thank you for the opportunity.
I think this is a wonderful, wonderful opportunity to
reduce the stigma because it's so great
in our community.
And I think this gives us just a moment to reflect because
we're very fortunate in our
lives and we don't see a lot of the issues that many folks
face.
And unfortunately, we see it every day.
And it's very sad.
And it's something that, by the grace of God, that I'm very
fortunate that I haven't had
to face some of the things that our consumers do.
So I hope we'll open our eyes and our hearts and really
look at our community because this
is our community.
And if we can't help the people that we love, then what are
we doing?
So I'm very, very appreciative of this and of Mayor and of
you all.
So thank you so much.
I appreciate it very much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And again, thank you all for your service to our community.
Thank you very much.
All right.
Thank you all.
Thank you.
[Applause]
We'll move on to our consent agenda or the consent agenda.
Council Member Hawkins.
Thank you, Mayor.
I move approval of items A through C.
Council Member Rodin.
Second.
We have a motion and a second for consent agenda items.
Let's vote on the board, please.
Motion carries 6-0.
We'll now move on to our public hearings.
Public hearing 4A, which is hold a public hearing to
consider adoption of an ordinance
of the City of Denton, Texas, approving the land use
assumptions and capital improvement
plan under which roadway impact fees may be imposed for
designated service areas.
And I will now open the public hearing.
Thank you, Mayor.
I'm going to call on PS Arora, our manager over wastewater
department, for this staff
presentation.
Good evening, Mayor and members of the council.
It really gives me a lot of pleasure today to be here and
go through the first public
hearing for the road impact fee adoption.
So this is the first of the two mandated public hearings.
The second will be in April.
And you'll be setting a date for that today for April 26 as
part of the ordinance.
The first public hearing on the land use assumptions and
capital improvement plan that forms the
basis of the calculating the road impact fees.
Prior to this public hearing, we have made presentations to
the council in work session.
We have made a presentation to the mobility committee, to
the Dallas County developers
alliance.
We have provided information to Dallas builders association
and then capital improvements
advisory committee that was appointed by the council, but
state law departments, which
is all the planning and zoning commissioners.
That's the CIAC.
So we made two presentations to the CIAC for the LUA and
the CIP.
The CIAC comments to the council are attached as exhibit
four.
They have recommended approval or adoption of the land use
assumptions and the CIP.
I will turn this over to Jeff Whitaker.
He's our project manager from Kimleyhorn to go over the LUA
and the CIP.
Jeff?
>> Thank you, P.S.
Good evening, mayor and council.
Today we're going to give you a brief overview of land use
assumptions and capital improvement
plan.
We presented this previously, so we're going to keep this
relatively short, but there are
questions.
Please let us know and we can elaborate on that.
One thing we wanted to give is a quick update to those
watching and those in the audience
of what impact fees are, just in case they haven't heard.
It's governed by chapter 395 of the Texas local government
code.
That's our playbook.
Everything we do in this is basically dictated by state law
and we're following a guideline
in state law, including these public hearings that we're
having.
The assumptions that you're documenting tonight are going
to be what's used in the final report,
which will present the results and the ordinance at the
April 26th public hearing.
The land use assumptions form the basics of the need for
growth.
So as people move in, more infrastructure is needed.
So that's the concept behind the land use assumptions that
we are looking at today.
It's basically what we're looking at is in a 10-year window
, how much growth are we anticipating
in 10 years and how much infrastructure do we need to
accommodate that growth in the
next 10 years.
One of the key indications of impact fees is the concept of
service areas.
It's dictated by guidance outlined in chapter 395.
Basically roadway service areas are limited to six miles.
For roadway facilities, they're required within the city
limits, so we can't charge for roadway
impact fees outside the city limits in the ETJ.
The important concept is money collected in each service
area has to be spent in each
service area.
In Denton, we developed five service areas.
In defining the service area boundaries, we're looking at
major boundaries like I-35 and
some other roadways to define those boundaries.
And a map of the five service areas are seen before you,
with B being in between the 35Ws,
A west of 35W.
E is kind of the developed portion of Denton and DNC to the
north.
With the land use projections, they were fully coordinated
with the planning department and
the Denton comprehensive plan update.
We used the future land use plan that was adopted as the
Denton comprehensive plan.
We also looked at some growth projections that they
included in the Denton comprehensive
plan to coordinate these growth projections.
We also looked at historic counts just to see how our
historic counts related to the
growth that we're expecting in the next 10 years.
Before you, there's a slide that shows the current future
land use plan that we used to
develop these assumptions.
Just to let you know, during the last 10 years, just to
give you some perspective, there are
approximately 9,500 residential units and 12 million square
feet of non-residential
that was built in the city of Denton.
So that gives you some basis from historical perspective of
what we're going to show.
This is a summation of what we're projecting in the next 10
years.
Roughly 10,966 residential units and then 15 million square
feet of non-residential.
Basic service and retail, just a quick description of that.
Basic is kind of your industrial.
Service is your office and your government agencies.
And retail is commercial.
Moving on to the impact fee CIP.
Once we have the land use assumptions, we develop an impact
fee CIP.
It's a 10 year plan.
Going to briefly go through service area D. You've seen
these calculations before.
This is an example.
We do this for all the service areas.
Service area D, we had a roughly 180 million total capital
improvement plan.
One thing to note is in your packet, this is an updated
table from what's in your packet,
but it's 180 million.
The slide is correct.
We break that out until what's needed in the 10 years, what
's needed outside the 10 years
and what's needed today on existing conditions.
So the important number on this slide is 27.7 million.
That's the 10 year growth need.
This is a similar chart showing service area D. If you
think of it as a pie chart, the
27.7 million is the need.
10.55 million is the cost to meet existing needs.
That's the current traffic that's on the road.
But then there's 142 million for the service area that's
way beyond our planning and lendo.
It's not going to be built.
We're going to have future projects down the line.
If you take that methodology and break it up into the five
service areas, this is a
summation of those.
Like I mentioned earlier, the 10 year CIP cost is the
important line for impact fee
CIP.
Service area D shows a 27.69 million.
With that --
Quick question on that previous slide.
On that last slide.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Your existing deficiency cost, now what is that
representing exactly?
That represents the existing traffic that's on the roads
that you're rebuilding.
There's already roads out there.
Traffic's already using them.
So we're not charging for the existing demand on those
roads that have to be rebuilt.
Okay.
So that number represents the reconstruction of the roads
that are already existing?
Correct.
So we don't charge future development for those?
No, I get that.
I just -- when I'm looking at -- and that's what I'm trying
to understand with that number
is as far as -- like let's just take A.
Okay.
$7 million is what it would cost to reconstruct the roads
that are currently existing to meet,
I guess --
Design standards.
Design standards.
Okay.
So then the 10 year CIP cost is that saying in 10 years we
think you will need additional
road improvements --
Correct.
To handle additional capacity.
That's not rebuilding the roads that are part of that
existing -- this is new roads.
New roads.
To the tune of $136 million, $794,776.
So I guess when I'm looking at that number, it's so much
different than the $7 million.
So that $7 million can't encompass all the roads within
that subsection A. Or if it does,
I mean --
Subsection A is an area where there's not many roads.
So there's not many roads.
And it's only the portion of the traffic that's on there.
So you're saying that NA is where most of the growth is
going to occur in 10 years?
Correct.
So the master plan communities, et cetera, in that area.
I'll take any other questions.
If not, I'll turn it back over to PS.
Yeah, I'll see any other questions.
Thank you.
Thank you, Jeff.
As I mentioned earlier, we had taken it to the capital
improvement advisory committee.
We had two work sessions, one on January 13 and February 4.
The IAC recommended approval of the land use assumptions
and CIP.
You have the comments as Exhibit 4 in your backup that show
the presentation and then
their acceptance of the LUA and the CIP.
So today the action would be we hold the first public
hearing, which is on the land use assumptions
and capital improvement plan.
And then consider approval of the LUA and the CIP.
And with that, we will stand for any questions.
Second public hearing, as I mentioned, is on April 26.
That will be for the ordinance as well as the impact fee
amount that we need to charge.
So we'll be discussing those at that time.
We have a question.
Councilmember Hawkins?
Maybe not necessarily a question, but before we vote on
this, I just wanted to thank you
for all your hard work on this.
It seems like we've been working on this since I've got on
council a long time.
And this at first was a difficult sell when it's called
road impact fee.
But this is definitely a way to make it simpler.
Some of that money that would possibly expire and not being
able to use will now be able
to stay in that pot.
And I just appreciate your hard work and the meetings that
you had with the developers
too.
So thank you.
Thank you, Councilmember Hawkins.
Thank you.
Any other questions for staff before we take public comment
?
Seeing none.
Thank you, PS.
This is a public hearing.
I don't believe we have any blue cards for this public.
You don't have to turn in a blue card for this.
Oh yeah, come on.
Anybody wishing to speak, come on down and state your name
and address and your time will
begin.
Good evening, Mayor.
Council, my name is David Letty, I'm the Director of
Government Affairs for the Dallas
Builders Association.
We represent a seven county region, including Denton County
.
And it would be our flagship city here in this area would
be the city of Denton, which
is why I'm here tonight to speak with you regarding our
observations and concerns regarding
the capital improvements plan and the land use assessment.
First, let me state that as association deals with
communities and home building and residential
development, we understand the challenges municipalities
face in trying to meet infrastructure
needs.
We understand the requirement, the obligation the
residential development community has
to meet a fair share of that development cost within reason
.
Let's start with the land use assessment in the LUA.
We do have concerns regarding the projected growth listed
in the land use assessment.
For residential, there seems to be a 15% increase over the
previous 10 years.
Generally, when we see things, they're a little more closer
to what the previous 10
years is when you see the projected increase for the next
bunch.
So we kind of notice that and we're wondering what valid
ations can be given.
I'm pretty sure staff probably has that information, how
they can offer that for you.
In the capital improvements plan, one thing we do notice is
that the number of projects
listed is an aggressive one.
There is a lot there.
There are infrastructure needs for the area, but we know it
also bases on the growth, which
we also have concerns on.
Probably first and foremost, we might ask is what are the
assurances that these projects
would lead to construction within say five to 10 years?
Granted, there is a 10-year obligation the city has to
start the project for the refunded,
but in Chapter 395 and you get into 025A, it mentions that
there are other things that
other options the property owners have, less time and under
10 years to ask for refunds
for those.
So it's always good to make sure these are roads that you
can get on project going.
There are updates required by state law for the city once
you do this for your impact
fees.
So you want to avoid the process where you're just rolling
over any roads and things like
that.
They've addressed the issue where you have the demand,
where you have existing demand
on it and then you have your new development demand.
We feel that's important to address because there are areas
like in Area A where you will
have a road that cuts over, I think it's A17 and possibly A
9, A13, the projects on there,
which will likely see good service use from the existing
development that is to the southwest
corner of that service area.
With that in mind, there is always the question of are
impact fees fair?
Can they be regressive on a resident because keep in mind
it's the homeowner who pays
for these impact fees.
It's rolled into the cost of the construction of their home
and then that's, you know,
amortized for your mortgage over usually a 30 year period.
So that adds into that cost there with the day's tighter
lending rules and things like
that, those things to keep in mind as you set what rate you
may have for any ensuing
impact fee.
Another concern we have is regarding the areas where you
may have projected new development.
Often it's typical practice for the city to request the
developer build the adjoining
road structure next to the development they're at.
They usually are happy to do that even in areas where they
institute impact fees.
Now we understand the cities will usually offer a credit
for that against impact fees
in that area, but the reality is you may have a road that's
listed for 100% in the
CIP, but there is the, there does stand the possibility
that percentages of that will
actually be taken on by the builder and you have to keep in
mind that your impact fees
are calculated by numbers you see here in the land use
assessment and the CIP.
They're used as a basis of that, so it could be skewed
there.
So those are things to keep in mind as you move forward
with your consideration of this.
Just kind of think of any other major issues we often run
into.
We do notice some of the roads go near areas that are,
could see heavy demand within your
extraterritorial jurisdiction, so we also ask that they
consider to make sure that any
growth numbers estimated for 12 years is within the city
corporation and not within those
limits.
We do have a question.
That was your time.
So I'm going to go ahead, Mayor Pro Tem.
Thank you, Mayor.
You represent the Greater Dallas Builders Association?
Dallas Builders Association.
You used to be the homebuilders of Greater Dallas, yes.
So Denton is not the only city that has gone to a roadway
impact fee, is it?
No, it's not.
And there are some that have actually gone to the point
where they've removed their
impact fees when they've seen, okay, it may have a limit.
There's always a delicate balance there.
I'm always charged with addressing the pendulum of fairness
, whether it be a local ordinance
or a state ordinance or a state regulation or a federal
agency rule or law is to look
for that pendulum of fairness where government and the
community and the business work well
together.
One of the reasons you have to be careful when you do the
impact fees, we don't ever
want to see one of our cities remove itself from the
competitive nature of each other.
We don't pick cities over one over another.
I love all my cities.
I'm from Denton County.
I'll leave that out there, but I love all my cities.
And if you go too far with an impact fee, if it's too high
and there is a hint of where
your development is kind of stymied in there and you see
the growth slow down or it impacts
the desire for developers or builders to come in there,
that's a loss of generation of revenue
and taxes that would come to the city through ad valorem,
also job base and things like that.
So it's a balance that we always look to.
So is your position that this fee is too high?
The fee that we've seen in previous projections, I'm not
sure what the current one is.
We've looked at this compared to other cities and it's very
, very much in line with the
percentage.
Yeah, I always make sure to advise the cities to look at
what the fee is actually going
to be.
Granted, the fee hasn't been calculated yet.
By law, they still have to go to that.
So I want to be on record that we haven't seen through the
city that says they calculated
the fee, just out of fairness to you guys.
Okay, thank you.
But those are the concerns we have.
It's just kind of that balance we look for.
We always do advise that if you're basing the fees, you do
it commensurate with the
actual services you're going to provide, which is why we're
always interested in the
CIP.
We do have another question, Council Member Hawkins.
Yeah, I think some of the things you brought up, we had the
same concerns in the beginning
of this conversation and one of them was our roads in some
of the areas in Denton, they
feel like they're piecemeal together.
Like it's not a unified.
So we're trying to figure out a way to remedy that.
In other cities that do not have impact fees, how do they
do that then?
A lot of them have kind of built up and they decided they
had a - they saw the - sometimes
they see the funding that comes from it.
Just the developing of the homes brings a significant
amount of revenue to the area
when you look over it long term.
It's important to remember that the impact fees are not
going to pay for these roads.
They're usually a percentage and very seldom they actually
pay for the whole road.
So you're still going to look at a bond issue.
So this is somewhat of a payment into the bond.
So there's a lot of things to consider.
I realize we're throwing a lot of information at you.
I applaud the - applaud city staff for going through this.
This is a tremendous amount of information.
If you look at the CIP study itself, there are a lot of
pages.
It's a phone book of information that they have to go
through.
But that's why we always look for the balance.
We see things in this CIP, for instance, where you get in a
rural area where they say it
might be 15 to 30 percent for a right of way construction,
which seems - might be kind of
high in that area, but they're also trying to judge demand
too.
We have another question.
Council Member Johnson.
David, thanks for coming out tonight.
You said something earlier and I'm not sure I understand it
.
You said the 15 percent growth projection seems a bit
aggressive versus the 10 that
you would think would be normal.
I think that's what you said earlier.
Yeah, it's usually the - you usually base the next 10 years
as reasonably close to the
previous 10 years.
And we just thought it was - it seemed somewhat higher.
Now, if that's going to be the case, trust me, my guys
would be ecstatic, but we also
try to look at it realistically because we bear the
explanation of the cost of the home.
We have to sell these structures and we have to worry about
the cost and what the market's
going to afford.
Housing affordability exists at all levels, really, not
just your low income or your moderate
incomes.
There is a certain amount that an underwriter is willing to
pay for structure and what people
are willing to buy.
So, but I want to get to the question part of it because I
think it'll - I'm trying
to understand.
So, when you say that's aggressive, is your concern that
because the 15 percent growth
projection would cause us to have to go build more roads
before it's time?
That is possible.
That is the concern.
The reason we kind of look at it this way is - and consider
it being gun shy, what have
you.
We're seeing a downturn in the housing industry in recent
history, very recent history, and
we haven't got back up to the numbers we saw before.
I'm not sure how long it would take to get there, but that
's the challenge is that they're
tasked with projecting out for 10 years.
We're about six years into this recuperating and rebuilding
cycle and we're seeing numbers
come back, but that doesn't usually consistently sustain
for out to 10 years.
So there could be a slowdown.
I remember, you know, recent history where we were excited
about raising a ranch here
and then there was a slowdown there.
Okay.
Thank you.
Any other questions?
I'm seeing none.
Thank you, David.
Appreciate it.
Good to see you.
You bet.
This is a public hearing.
Anybody else wishing to speak, please come down and state
your name and address and your
time will begin.
Anybody else wishing to speak?
One more call.
Anybody wanting to speak on this agenda item?
I will now close the public hearing.
I do have a couple of questions for staff or the consultant
, whoever can best answer
this.
It goes back to Councilmember Johnson's question about the
residential projection of 15 percent
because if I understood correctly what the concern was,
well, that would cause more roads
to be built which would determine to some degree how much
the cost was, which is then
what you calculate the fee on.
So if the projection, so first of all I understand if my
function is correct.
In other words, if you have, if that percentage was lowered
from 15 and let's just for example
purposes to 7 percent, then that means you have less roads,
that means you have less
cost.
Does that translate into potentially less of an impact fee
per transportation or mile
equivalent or are those not related in any way?
Well, it would not.
So one thing, our consultant, WRT, their projections are
actually more robust than what we are
using.
So we are using a lower number in terms of projecting out
what will happen in the next
10 years compared to the comprehensive plan.
And that's fine.
I guess for me it still is the increase related somehow
functionally to the price of an impact
fee.
It totally depends on the vehicle mile traveled and it's,
if you have less number of people
come in in the next 10 years and every five years as you
remember, we have to come back
and redo the study.
So it's not that we are stuck with this for 10 years.
Every five years we have to come back, redo the estimates
and then redo the calculations.
But the cost of a road construction to meet the demand that
is needed, your cost is not
going to change because you'll only build the roads which
are based on what is happening
in the community.
So we have taken all of the roads that are to be built in
any service area and we projected
in 10 years this is the vehicle miles that will be traveled
or the growth will be that
much and then use that and that stuff will come in the next
public hearing when we actually
go through the process.
So today only on the land use assumptions and on the CIP
itself.
So that's all the hearing is today for.
And one other question and he had mentioned that if you
collect an impact fee based upon
your land use assumptions and your CIP project as we're
looking at today, that if you don't
build them, the roads or that in 10 years that those impact
fees could be subject to
refunding.
Is that correct?
The reality is that the amount of money that we collect and
as you will see in the next
public hearing and as you have seen in previous work
session presentation, we are looking
at barely 30% of the calculated maximum fee to be used for
impact fee.
So that money, 30%, will be very quickly used for any --
there are a number of projects
to be done.
There's a lot of need out there.
So we start using that money, it will be used up.
Okay.
So the money is not tied to a specific project.
It's saying in this service area this is how much money we
have for an impact fee.
These are the costs of the projects we're doing.
And if it gets eaten up and it's only 30 or 40 or 50%, then
that's it.
Okay.
I think that's where my question was.
Councilmember Hawkins.
Yeah.
And one last question.
The home builders, the one that will eventually pay for
this impact fee, they do right now
already, don't they, in a way?
I mean, that developer is in charge of building that road
in front of that development and
that is passed along to the home --
Yes.
Eventually it passes on to the homeowner because it gets
built into the cost of the home that
they're -- that's the last product that they're going to
collect money on.
Right.
Thanks, PS.
Yes, sir.
Okay.
Any other questions?
First half?
Seeing none.
Thank you, Mayor.
Well, I move approval of the ordinance found in Exhibit 5
of Item 4A.
Councilmember Johnson.
Second.
We have a motion and a second.
And to reiterate, this is not approving a specific fee.
This is -- that will come at the next one.
Yes.
All right.
We have a motion and a second for Agenda Item 4A.
Let's vote on the board, please.
Motion carries 6-0.
We'll go on to 4B, a public hearing.
Continue a public hearing.
Consider adoption of an ordinance of the City of Denton,
Texas, designating a certain area
within the city limits of Denton as Westgate Business Park
Investments.
And this is a continuation of a public hearing.
So the public hearing is open.
Yes.
I'd like to call on Amy Bissett, our Director of
Development Services.
To be handling this item.
Thank you, Mayor and Councilmembers.
What you're considering tonight is an ordinance that would
establish a reinvestment zone for
an incentive that is something that you've discussed before
that we're just looking at
an amendment of today.
This is for Westgate Business Park Investments.
And this is a rendering of the future development, which is
three building business park, approximately
400,000 square feet of construction that's out in our
industrial area on the west side
of town.
To give you a little bit of background, it is located on
the southeast corner of University
and Western.
It is three, it will be ultimately three buildings compr
ising a business park.
It's about a $24 million capital investment.
There's an existing building that was recently completed
that Quality Industries is in the
process of moving into.
They are a Peterbilt supplier.
In April of 2015, you approved a 10-year Chapter 380 grant
incentive agreement.
On this project, it is a variable incentive depending on
the type of tenant that is recruited.
It can range from 60 to 75%.
It is estimated that over the life of the 10-year incentive
, it would total approximately $1
million and that the net tax revenue or the net new benefit
to the city over the same
time frame would be approximately $500,000.
Westgate Business Park Investments has requested to the
city that we amend their existing agreement.
They would like to apply for a tax abatement with Denton
County.
The county policy requires that a tax abatement agreement
be in place with the city of Denton
first before requesting a county abatement.
In order for them to seek that abatement, they have made a
request from us to convert
their existing 380 agreement into a tax abatement agreement
.
In order to do that, we must first establish a reinvestment
zone.
Essentially what they are asking us to do is make a change
to their existing incentive
agreement with no change to their requirements, their
threshold, or the things that we have
asked them to do within their incentive agreement.
Currently, they are under a 10-year Chapter 380 agreement.
We are looking at a new scenario where year one would be
the Chapter 380 agreement, which
is commenced last April when we adopted the original
agreement and then we would convert
the remaining into a 9-year tax abatement.
Tonight is the first step in that process, which is to hold
a public hearing and consider
designating the Westgate Business Park reinvestment zone in
order to establish the zone's boundary
boundaries.
Then the next steps would be to consider, hopefully on
April 5th, amending the existing
Chapter 380 agreement and adopting the tax abatement
agreement.
With that, I will be happy to answer any questions.
Councilmember Johnson.
Thank you, Mayor.
Amy, just for clarification, this is kind of a technicality
thing we are doing, meaning
the terms are the same, the incentive is the same, the
potential dollars they can get is
the same.
That's correct.
A Chapter 380 incentive agreement is essentially a rebate
of property taxes.
We collect those property taxes and then we cut them a
check once a year based on the
performance under their incentive agreement.
An abatement, which is what we are looking at converting to
, is just simply a discount
off of the property taxes from the get-go.
It's a wash for the city either way.
It's the exact same incentive.
It's just the way that the agreement is structured in order
to facilitate the county's participation
as well.
So they still have to meet all the same hurdles.
Yes, sir.
That's correct.
My other question is, so this is specifically related to
property taxes, we're still going
to get the business and personal property tax of any
tenants that are in there, right?
The business personal property was actually included as a
part of the original Chapter
380 agreement and will be as well in the tax abatement
agreement.
But it's unchanged.
It is unchanged.
That is correct.
And then we would still get the inventory revenue as well.
And then if there's any sales tax generated by those
tenants, we would get that, right?
That's correct.
Okay.
Thank you.
Mayor Pro Tem.
Thank you, Mayor.
And to be absolutely clear, following up on Council Member
Ruchansin's question, all of
those performance objectives that we have in the 380
agreement will be moved to the other
agreement?
Yes.
Okay.
One question I have is when you talked about the project,
there was potentially going to
be three buildings.
So I've got one on the ground.
So this incentive package, just to refresh my memory
because I've got a lot of stuff
in there.
So if they build another building, they're not coming back
to ask for another incentive.
It's covered under this umbrella.
Is that correct?
That is correct.
It encompasses the entire development.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you.
Any other questions for staff?
Thank you.
All right.
Thank you.
And this is a public hearing.
If you have a question to speak, come down and state your
name and address and your time
will begin.
Zach Youngblood, 836 Hawes Drive, Copper Canyon.
I'm kind of curious about the shift from the 380 agreement
to the tax abatement given the
city's current economic development policy, which states
that a tax abatement cannot be
used on a currently existing structure.
Additionally, given that this is developed by a local
business, I'm not quite sure what
the entire benefit was to any of the tax abatement.
That's all.
Okay.
Thank you.
All right.
Thank you.
You bet.
Public hearing.
Councilmember Briggs, you want to hold your question until
after the public hearing is
closed or we'll go ahead and ask it now?
After?
Okay.
No, it doesn't matter.
I just wanted to make if you needed to ask it now.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
Go ahead and ask it.
We'll go ahead and take care of it now.
It couldn't be used on current structures and I just wanted
to see what staff said.
I'm unfamiliar with that.
Go ahead.
A response.
Okay.
I'm sorry, but that's okay.
Yeah.
That's correct, which is why we're taking a look at rather
than just completely repealing
the original 380 agreement and replacing it with the tax ab
atement agreement.
If we did that, then the building that was eligible under
the 380 agreement would no
longer be eligible under the tax abatement agreement.
So when we come back and present these two agreements, we
'll show you how that's structured,
but essentially we'll cover building one because it was
approved before it was on the
ground under the 380 agreement and then the tax abatement
agreement will apply to the
remaining buildings.
Okay.
Thanks.
Okay.
Good.
Thank you.
One more call.
Public hearing.
Anybody else wishing to speak?
All right.
Thank you.
The public hearing is now closed.
Council Member Johnson.
Thank you, Mayor.
I move approval of item 4B with the substitute ordinance
that was provided to us prior to
the meeting.
All right.
Council Member Hawkins.
I second.
We have a motion and a second for agenda item 4B.
Let's vote on the board, please.
Agenda item 4B carries 6-0.
We'll go on now to agenda item 5A, which is items for
individual consideration.
Consider an option – excuse me.
Consider adoption of an ordinance establishing public
hearing dates and authorizing the city
secretary to publish notice for April 5, 2016, and April 12
, 2016 for annexation of approximately
23.24 acres of property generally located on the west side
of Gisling Road.
Thank you, Mayor.
Amy Vissot-Lohan on this item also.
Thank you, Mayor and council members.
I think this is probably the shortest slideshow I've ever
pulled up for you.
It consists of one slide and the introductory slide.
Essentially what you're considering today is calling public
hearing dates for a voluntary
annexation.
This is a proposed development that is on a parcel of land
that was a part of our 2010
annexation program, but we have an existing non-annexation
agreement with them that doesn't
expire until 2020.
In order for that non-annexation agreement to remain in
place, the property is required
to remain in ag or wildlife status and that no development
is permitted.
The new owner intends to develop an industrial park and
they have filed a preliminary plat
application which automatically triggers annexation.
The property would be automatically annexed as RD5X, which
is our default zoning, and
then the property owner after the annexation is complete
would come in and file a request
for rezoning.
Even though it's a voluntary annexation for the purposes of
facilitating a development,
we must follow all of the state laws as it relates to
notifications and public hearings.
So tonight's action would be to call the two public
hearings, which would then take place
on April 5th and April 12th.
And then we would have the two reading of the annexation
ordinance just as we have on
the other annexation actions that we've taken in the past.
And with that, I'll be happy to answer any questions.
We have one speaker with a blue card, but are there any
questions for staff before we
take public testimony?
Thank you.
Thank you.
We do have a card.
Mr. Husbeth, if you'll come down and state your name and
address, your time will begin
on agenda item 5A.
Council members, my name is Willie Husbeth.
I live at 623 Newton.
It's not clear where that's located.
Can you help me with street names and the like?
I don't see it up there.
Am I missing that?
Yeah, she's coming up.
Yes.
This is located near the quarter of University and Giesling
Road, which is out on the east
side of town off of University just past May Hill.
It's just on the south side of University off of Giesling.
You might point out where the flea market is.
I don't know where the flea market is.
You'll have to point it out.
Right there.
That it?
There you go.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
Now, what is this?
So where's University?
Is that right?
It is immediately north, right here.
Right there.
That's correct.
All right.
What is the street?
This is Giesling Road that runs right here.
What's the one to your left?
Here?
That one.
Black Road.
No, not south.
To your left.
That one.
I don't know.
I don't know what that is.
This is Carpenter Street.
That's right.
That's right.
I don't know.
This is Copper Creek over here.
That's not a street right where the red is.
No, it's probably a fence line.
Okay.
Thank you, Amy.
All right.
Thank you.
All right.
Having noted blue cards, any other questions for staff?
Council Member Hawkins?
I move approval of Item 5A.
Council -- Mayor Pro Tem Gregory?
Second.
We have a motion and a second for Item 5A.
Let's vote on the board, please.
Motion carries 6-0.
We've now come to Item 6, which is concluding items.
Council Members?
Any concluding items?
Council Member Johnson?
So I have two.
I was contacted by a citizen this week.
As you guys all know, if you live on the south side of town
,
we're using tree mitigation funding.
We're planting a lot of trees in South Lakes Park along the
jogging path.
One of the concerns -- while I think this is awesome -- one
of the concerns was it's not a very well-lit path as it is,
and there's quite a lot of people that walk out there at
night.
And this lady has some concerns about once all those trees
are there, you know, might provide for a less safe
environment for ladies that are walking at night,
which would be an unintended consequence of creating shade
during the day.
So I'd like for us to investigate just the possibility of
what we could do with the existing lighting,
maybe brighten the existing lighting or add some lighting
or something.
I think we ought to take a look at that.
Okay.
Secondly is Denton lost a great man today.
Paul Hendricks, a very dear friend of mine, is a guy that
none of you all ever heard of,
but I think a great example for all of us on what a servant
is.
He spent all of his waking hours either remodeling
bathrooms for a living or mentoring kids.
And he had a huge impact on my life as a father, and his
kids lost their dad today,
and he fought cancer the same way that he did everything,
which was with a smile on his face, his chin up,
and showing everybody that this life isn't what it's really
all about.
So Paul Hendricks, you'll be missed.
Thank you.
Councilmember Briggs.
I will follow that with a congratulations to Councilmember
Wasney for her granddaughter
with some life to come in here.
Sorry about your friend.
You almost teared me up.
And I also want to invite those to come out on Friday to a
panel Friday, March 25th,
which happens to be my birthday, at 6 o'clock to UNT
Environmental Science Building Room 130
to come and listen to a panel discussing renewable energy
future.
Okay, thank you.
Councilmember Roden.
We had a great open data day project.
The mayor kicked it off over there at UNT.
I'd like to explore the possibility of creating an ad hoc
committee temporarily to gather some of those experts
along the lines kind of parallel to what we're doing with
What Works City to get some input on their recommendations
moving forward in terms of building out the proper
infrastructure to continue that sort of movement long term.
So perhaps maybe that's just a discussion with the mayor.
The mayor could probably call a task force, but I know
there's several staff members involved in that as well.
So I'd like to kind of explore that possibility and perhaps
get that kicked off this spring.
Okay, great.
Yeah, we'll look into that.
I thought I saw someone else requesting to speak, but okay.
Okay, anybody else?
All right, seeing none, we will adjourn at 725.
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