Oct 30, 2015 City Council on 2015-10-30 2:30 PM

Individual consideration on page two and three, items A, B, and C are all related to the Convention Center project. Item B, because it actually is with regard to the grant agreement with Allegiance Hillview, but it's because of the Convention Center. So I'm suggesting to you that you might want to just pull for consideration on the 10th. Items A, B, and C are items for individual consideration in the work session and closed session items relative to the Convention Center. >> Thank you, Mr. And I did get an email from Kathleen, Council Member Wozni with that request. Yes. >> Two questions. Number one is, does this in any way, were there time sensitive issues regarding us considering it at this point? >> No, I don't believe there are, John, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's anything that's time sensitive about the Convention Center or the RED development project. >> Not at this time. We have a few, we probably have 30 days to work with. >> It might be important that we try to get those discussions held on the 10th if we can. >> Then Mayor, I'm fine with all of those, the three items for individual consideration being pulled. >> I would, I do have a question that I'd like to ask in closed session regarding the deal. But I think it would be better in closed session. >> Okay. >> I would ask that we continue to have the closed session item so I could get that one question out for staff to work on. >> Okay. Council Members, any other comments about that? Healy, you had, yes. >> You know that I'm for it. >> For what? >> For pulling these. >> Even the closed session? >> I'm okay with that. >> Okay, so you're talking about the voting part. >> Yes, sir. >> Go ahead and pull those and then we'll go ahead and consider the closed session. And obviously we will put that back on a closed session on the 10th so that Council Member Wasney can be included. Because it doesn't sound like we're going to have a full discussion on it. >> No, I just want to put out a question and I don't expect an answer today. >> Fantastic. >> We're prepared to talk about it in a work session or a closed session, but I assume you want to pull those. >> Yeah, we'll just entertain that in closed session and then we'll take it up again on the 10th. Is that okay with everyone? >> Yes. >> All right, fantastic. Okay, then we will move on to our work session item, agenda B. Which is receive report, hold discussion, give staff direction regarding a management contract between the City of Denton and Dallas Entrepreneurial Center for the management of cowork ing space and an entrepreneurial center located at 608 East Hickory. >> Thank you Mayor, Amy Bissett is the Director of Development Services and she's going to present this item for your consideration. Thank you, Amy. >> Thank you Mayor and Council Members. I have a couple of handouts going around for you right now. The first one is an updated contract. There are two very minor changes from the contract that you received in your backup. At the top of page three, we have changed the schedule by which the deck would pay the 10% towards operating expenses . We've changed that from quarterly to monthly at their request. And then on page four under section E, we've slightly changed the wording on the term to say that it will renew annually for five years rather than it may be renewed. They wanted a little more assurance as it relates to the longevity of this relationship. I'm going to talk a little bit today about some statistics and some potential performance measures for this program as a whole. I've been asked to do that. And then I'll talk through some of the terms of the agreement and I'm happy to answer any questions. I want to share a few statistics with you all to start with . Denton County is currently ranked number six, six as the high tech hot spot in US. They measure this by the number of new technology jobs that have been created in the last five years. I'm going to go into a little more detail on that moment arily. I also want to share some statistics related to small businesses. Small businesses create 60 to 80% of all net new jobs annually in the US. 40% of all tech jobs are created by small businesses and startups. Small businesses provide 50% of all private sector jobs in the United States. And the average tech job wages in Denton today is a little over $80,000 a year. >> And the source of that is? Is that jobs EQ? >> That's right, I'm about to walk through that table that I presented for you. And the second handout that you have is a table that is a statistical analysis. That is the source is jobs EQ, which is a product that we use in our analysis in economic development. It's a nationally recognized product to look at what's called a location quotient. Which is really, it's a way to measure the way jobs are growing and trending in your community and how that compares to jobs in the rest of the United States. So starting at the left side of your table, I want to explain this to you a little bit. This is looking at Denton and comparing it to Dallas and comparing it to the DFW area. And comparing to Texas and nationally and it's specifically related to tech jobs. The first third of your table is looking at how many jobs we have created, that we created in 2014 in the tech industry. Denton currently has about 17,500 jobs that are tech related jobs. The average wage is a little over $80,000. The location quotient is 0.82. What that means is that we have as an overall portion of the jobs in Denton, we have a lower proportion of tech jobs than the national average. If it was over one, we would show a cluster of tech jobs. >> Amy, is that city of Dallas or Dallas County and Denton County? Are those cities or are those counties? >> I'd have to go back and look more closely at the data to answer that question. >> Okay, all right. I don't want to state something incorrectly. It may say it in the summary at the bottom of your- >> It says Dallas County and, yeah. >> The middle part of this table shows the growth in tech jobs in the last five years. And Denton has seen over a 5% growth, which is well above the Dallas area and the whole Metroplex and well above the state of Texas and the US. We see this as a strong sign that this is an industry that is attracted to Denton. That we have the synergy with the young professional employment base here because of the universities. And if you look at the far column, it shows the forecast over the next five years. We anticipate to continue growing tech jobs at a higher rate than the Metroplex as a whole or as the state or nation. Do you have questions about that table before I move on? >> Yeah, if maybe in just an email or an informal staff report, if you could give us an indication if those are county, which I think they are probably county statistics. And if there's a way, probably not, probably is not. Because I know for Denton County, if it is Denton County, some of Frisco's in Denton County. So trying to hone down, what are we talking about within the city of Denton? >> I can tell you that we hone down to the finest point possible. >> Okay, so this is it. >> So we can't get anything better. >> Gotcha, all right, fantastic. Yeah, just to answer that question, that'd be great. >> Okay, I can do that. >> Thank you. >> One of the things that we're gonna ask the DEC to do as a part of their management contract is to establish with us a profile of what a member of this entrepreneur center would look like and what the eligibility requirements would be. We will expect them to have as a part of their agreement, their membership agreement, some goals that accomplish some objectives that we'd like to see for the larger community. We wanna see them giving back to the community. We wanna see them investing locally when possible. We want when they leave the entrepreneur center and open a business in a commercial building, we wanna see them stay in Denton. We wanna see them hire in Denton. And we want them to commit to providing us information about their company so that we can measure the program and how it's going. So they will be asked to disclose to us salary information, company growth, how the company is spending money in a way that we would aggregate it all and report it as a program as a whole. So we wouldn't be disclosing confidential information about specific companies. But we are gonna ask them to provide that information to us so that we can show what we're accomplishing. >> Yes, sure. Councilmember Hawkins. >> Do you know how long a typical lease is for one of these startups or is it just all across the board? It could be a month, it could be a year. >> It varies pretty drastically. >> Sure. >> We wanna see them move into a more permanent space within 18 months. >> Okay. >> Amy. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> You think that that could give us some sort of statistical data, given that they're running a similar program, and I guess Dallas and Addison, right? >> Mm-hm. >> Of incubation period is typically this, or we've launched X number since its inception in Dallas, or since its inception in Addison, X number have moved out to lease a space in another building, there's this total number of new jobs created. >> Yes. >> As a result of the program. If we could get that, cuz for me, I love the whole idea of having them say, here's what our goals are. I would like to see for us to be able to say, well, what our goals are as a city is, we will have created X number of new jobs at this rate by the end of year two. We will have created X amount of, [BLANK_AUDIO] That's right, investment in the city, whether it be they bought a building or they leased a building, or if their employees are living here, then we can kinda calculate what kinda money they're spending based on what their average annual income is. I know it's hard for us to say, or for them to say right now, within two years we will have done this in Denton, in terms of number of jobs or companies that have moved out into a space. We might be able to derive that off of what has happened at their other two. Do we have that info yet? >> I think that we will be able to infer some of that information, and we do have some information from them, and some of it I did include in your AIS. What I have, essentially, I included in your AIS. But I think as we have the runway to launch this program in March, as we develop the membership profile and the eligibility requirements, and we can at the same time set some initial targets. Here's our objectives for year one, or for the first two years. And I'll talk a little bit more about things that we can measure, but in terms of setting targets, I feel like that should be a collaborative effort with the DEC, and it's gonna take some investment and time and working through getting a good gauge of the market here. And part of that will be with the launch, the announcement that the program is coming, and then we'll begin to gauge what the market is going to be for that. And so I do think that we can come up with some year one and year two targets, but it's gonna take some intensive work with the DEC in order to do that. But having said that, I do think that there are certain things that we will start measuring immediately and be able to track so that we can see what results we're getting. The new jobs created, new companies created, companies that do move into an office space in Denton. Average salary across the program. We can do an economic impact analysis that looks at, from an aggregate standpoint, the employees of the companies and their spending habits in Denton, and whether they own homes in Denton, and things of that nature . We can begin to track the property values in the area and look at how those are increasing over time and what redevelopment is happening as a result of the catalyst project at the rail yard. We can look at the growth in total number of tech jobs in Denton. Tech companies relocating to Denton, whether it's inside that space or not, would be a measure of this program. And capital dollars spent investing in the companies. So part of the activity will be matching companies with investors who see potential in that company and we can measure those dollars as well. >> Well, and here's why I asked the question, because this is just a very different kind of incentive, right? Than the traditional sales tax abatement or property tax ab atement or something. And those are real easy to measure. This one is harder to measure because it's an upfront investment that we're making. And I think the more we can do that, the more we can feel comfortable, I think, as a city of saying we do have to think outside the box and everything isn't going to fit the traditional model. If we don't get that kind of dialed in on how we're going to track and then what things we're going to measure. Because certainly there are those folks out there now saying, why would the city lease this much space and these sort of things and give somebody space to work in? This is a different kind of thinking from an incentive standpoint. So what I hope that we can do is to have enough of that dialed in and we know exactly what we're measuring and can point right to as a result of this happening. Here's what the return has been. >> Absolutely, we intend to do that through these measures. And identifying how we're going to track them and getting the commitment from the members of the program upfront to participate in providing data for us to be able to measure success. >> Okay, thanks. >> Just to follow up on that, and you and I had a conversation about this. And let me say off the bat, I support this program. I voted for the lease. I voted for the economic development incentive. My observation is during the course of these meetings, I sort of asked that we try to develop these more on the front end. I remember specifically, it's like, and so, little, I would like to have seen that done a little bit more. Even though we might sort of be taking a stab in the dark, but it is a very different kind of incentive development. My first inclination was just as a principle, I was going to vote against it because I wanted those up front. I think if we can get a commitment from staff that the council will be intricately involved in determining those benchmarks. And that we can get those done sooner than later to help us sort of have a targeted aspect. Because some that you mentioned are great. One about bringing tech jobs to Denton and maybe because of this, that might be a little speculative. But I just, this is a lot of money, I mean, that we're spending. So, ideally I would have liked to have had that conversation on the front end. That it's okay if it's taking place sort of once that's done. But that it does take place and that we get something in. And they're dynamic, they'll change, as we sort of learn through this process. But it's critical that we do have some kind of measurement as we do in most of our other incentives. Because that's the only way we, I mean, we sort of took a leap to try to do this. Very innovative, very creative. And then I applaud everybody for doing it. Just want to make sure that we can measure it a little bit more accurately. >> I agree, and I frankly struggled a little bit to come up with measures in a vacuum of not having that. >> Sure. >> The ability to engage the deck and work through it together with them. I think that they're the leading experts in this in the nation. And they certainly have data nationally about what centers are able to accomplish in their own experience. And that we need to develop that in partnership with them. And frankly, there's been a little bit of a reluctance to invest a lot of time with us. If we're not on the hook to be committed with them. >> So you're thinking six months, eight months? >> Well, we intend to launch the space on March 1st. And the way that the contract is written, all of that work will be done between now and when we launch the space. >> Okay, so by the time it's launched, those- >> Estab lishing all of that. And so we'll have work sessions as you discuss that with them to get- >> Okay, good, fair enough, great, appreciate that. >> I did go one step further in addition to defining some potential measures. I also looked back at the city's strategic plan to see how this program relates to that. And our third KFA is focused on economic development and two specific goals I think tied to this program, promoting a business friendly environment and encouraging development , redevelopment, recruitment and retention. Several of our objectives lined up specifically improving commercial property values, growing jobs that support home ownership and higher household incomes, and developing job growth that targets university graduates and young professionals. The debt contract that you'll consider today essentially gives them the day to day management and operations of the program, including recruitment, events and training, and the full service business support hub. They're being asked to assist with finalizing all of the requirements for eligibility terms, application fees, operating hours, performance measures, etc. Between now and when the program launches and they would be the lead on finalizing all branding and promotional materials and launching the campaign. The contract calls for them to take 10% of the membership fees that they collect and pay it monthly to rail yard partners as a contribution towards operating expenses. This essentially buys down what we will end up owing in operating expenses each year. In that triple net part of that lease, they'll contribute to that. And then the remaining 90% will be utilized for the daily operations of the space, including programming, amenities, marketing, etc. It's an annual contract that can be renewed for five years. >> Just a quick question, Amy. So for clarification, the DEC is a non-profit. >> That's correct. >> So are all of the funds collected for the Denton project required to be spent in Denton? They can't spend those monies in any other city, correct? >> That's correct. And they're required to provide a quarterly financial report that shows their income and expenses in the Denton operation as a separate business unit. But then they have to disclose their entire operational budget on a quarterly basis as well. >> And the 10% paid towards the net expenses, was that just an arbitrary number or is that kind of the way they work elsewhere? >> That is similar to, the 10% is their contribution in Add ison. And because they're a non-profit organization, they're not making a profit off of this. They have to put those dollars back into the program. And we want them to have operating money to be able to provide as strong of a program as possible. >> Okay, thank you. >> And if I remember, were we given sort of what a, I mean, have we been given a preliminary budget for the Denton, for this Denton operation? In other words, here's what we're thinking we're gonna have to spend. Here's what we're thinking is gonna come in and that's sort of how these numbers were derived. >> I'm actually meeting with them on Thursday to develop that. This is derived because this is their operating model in Addison. We want to see them have a financial participation with the city so that there's a financial obligation on their part and so that 10% is tied to the operating expenses specifically. >> So will we have the opportunity for input? I mean, I don't know what these programs bring in, so I don 't know the actual kind of dollars. I know Addison's, I don't know how big Addison is. So I mean, Addison as a city is small, but it has a lot of people that come in and work there during the day. But are we going to have some input? In other words, I mean, if we see that somehow there's money that could be spent either differently or why are we spending it on it, do we have any say in that? >> Absolutely, yes, absolutely. >> Okay, all right. Okay. >> I anticipate that we will work up a budget together that we both agree on. That's what we've discussed doing. That's what we're meeting on Thursday to begin work on. >> Will that come back to this body or will you just send it out as an informal? >> I haven't. >> Okay. >> I'm not sure. >> Yeah, I'd like to just sort of see that if possible. That's not a big deal. >> Sure. >> Yes. >> Well, that was my question. Because there's a vote today, so it was my question. If that was going to come back through for us to vote again or? >> Well, their budget is approved by their board of directors. They're governed by a board of directors and so they'll set the budget based on their expertise with input from us. But essentially, this becomes their program that they're operating. They have a responsibility to give us a financial report quarterly. And we have an opportunity to negotiate changes through the terms of the management contract. So I don't think that it would be something that you would vote on their budget, but I can certainly give you the information. And if you have concerns or want to provide feedback, we can work through that. >> Okay, so it's something separate than what we're doing today. >> That's correct. >> Okay. That is all I have, unless you have any other questions. >> Any other questions for Amy, staff? Yes. >> This slide presentation was not in the back up, is that correct? >> That's correct. >> Could you email that to us? >> Sure, absolutely. >> Any other questions? Yes. >> I'm good. >> All right. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. I'm going to make a proposal that when we think we're going to have discussions that are exciting and passionate that we allow people to come and somehow the young lady there at the end has a calming effect on me. As I just look over there, I can't get too angry. I'm just giving you a hard time. >> Please wear the everybody. >> Oh, I opened myself up for that. So I did. I'm good. All right, I think that ends our open work session agenda. So now we will convene in closed session at 3.02 PM on Friday, October 30th. We will consider the following items. Consultation with attorneys under Texas Government Code Section 551.071. Deliberations regarding real property under Texas Government Code Section 551.072. And deliberations regarding economic development negotiations under Texas Government Code Section 551.087. [BLANK_AUDIO] With that organization and I just take that item first and go ahead and move that forward if that's okay. All right. Well, I have since then called the item E, Consider adoption of ordinance regarding the Monsignor King Outreach Center lease. So- >> Thank you, Mayor. I'll ask Mr. John Peralta, our assistant city manager, if he would present this item. Thank you, John. >> Thank you, Mr. City Manager. Mayor, council members, at your desk you should have a revised signed lease agreement that takes the place of the draft that we gave to you in the AIS for this agenda item. Based on the conversations that we had last time we were here, we did go ahead and make revisions as I stated to you in the agenda information sheet that was part of this item. The majority of those changes you're going to see are in sections 35, 36, and 37 of this document of the agreement. Don't want to rehash everything, but just to go over briefly the revisions to 35 is that the city will still be able to terminate this lease for any reason but cannot do so until five years after the effective date of the lease. There's also the 180 day notice that will be given upon any decision to terminate for any reason. That's 35B that I'm reading from, by the way. The 36 addresses, the discussion we had is it related to trying to give some recompensation back to the Monsignor King Outreach Center. If in fact the city decides to terminate the lease for any reason, the warning there was the capturing of the value of the improvements made, which also does capture some of the, possibly does capture any in kind type of value, whether it's materials or services. There was also the section 37 where it's now strictly the tenant, in this case Monsignor King Outreach Center, that will be able to extend the terms of this lease for an additional ten years at $2 a year as opposed to the initial $1 a year for the first ten years. And then there was discussion about the ability of them to go ahead and name the facility. And as you know, we have a naming policy and we've reviewed that policy and that does give them that ability to come and make that recommendation to you and you can go ahead and follow the naming policy that we have in place. Because really it's still a city owned facility and this body is the one that is ultimately the one that has the authority to name that facility. So none unlike other facilities where either a body or an individual has come to you and asked for the naming of a facility. Same process would follow this, so it gives you that flexibility. I'm open to any questions. >> Anybody have any questions? I want to thank you, John, for the work that you've done and thank the Monsignor King Outreach Center Board and Roy for your help and as we move together to try to find some solutions for the issue that we face with homelessness . And I'm glad we were able to get this worked out to where you guys are comfortable and satisfied and look forward to a long term relationship. Any other, yes, Councilman. >> I didn't mean to cut you off. >> No, no, go ahead. >> Yes. >> All right. I'm going to move approval of item 1E with the revised addition. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> And that's with the lease that was passed out to us. >> Yes. >> Okay. We have a motion. >> I second. >> And we have a second. All in favor, signal by raising your right hand. All opposed by like sign. Passes unanimously. Thank you very much. Thank you. We will now jump back to. Yes. Yeah. >> That's the price. >> Thank you all very much. Thank you. You bet. You bet. Moving on to agenda item D, considered option of ordinance of the city of Denton. Texas authorizes the ordinance of the city council of the city of Denton. Authorizing the city manager to execute a management agreement between the city of Denton and the Dallas Entrepreneur Center. >> Thank you, Mayor. Amy is here to answer any questions or unless you have other presentations, but we talked about this in the work session in some detail. >> I do not have another presentation. I'm glad to answer questions. >> Any questions? Yes, Councilmember Rhoade. >> I have some thoughts as we were talking about metrics, which I think is a very important conversation. And I wonder if, and this is just kind of direction along those lines that we talked about in the work session. Given that, I think our city's economic development strategy is being expanded to include tech as an industry. Understanding that this is going to be a part of that overall strategy. And that as we think about metrics, if there's a possibility, I was looking and searching to see how they do it in Dallas and other cities because they do put metrics. They try and get baselines and then say these certain things are growing as a result of these efforts. This is a part of that effort. We're all part of a larger strategy. So as we're talking about that, if we could expand that concept of this particular focus of tech economic development. And then try and cordon off what if that was contributed by this particular thing. I think that'll be just beneficial to the larger project. >> Sure, absolutely. >> Great. >> Good idea. Anyone else? All right, chair would entertain motion. Council Member Johnson. >> I move approval of item one. >> D. >> D. >> Council Member- >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second to approve agenda item one , D as in David. All in favor by raising your right hand. All opposed by like sign. Passes unanimously. Concluding items. Any concluding items? Yes, Council Member, Mayor Pro Tem Gregory. >> I got to represent the city last Saturday night. With the Denton County Friends of the Family, they were celebrating 35 years. And I wasn't exactly sure why I was there, what was going on. You couldn't make it, so they said, well, you're the Mayor Pro Tem. So I went. And I knew about Denton County Friends of the Family because they started, I think two years before my wife and I moved back to Denton in '82, they started in '80. And we got an award, we being the city, because for the entire 35 years that Denton County Friends of the Family has been operating. The city of Denton has been contributing. The only city in Denton County that's done that. In fact, the very first year that they operated, the city of Denton provided 100% of the budget. And since that time, it was laughingly $10,000. Now it's 1.8 million or something. I thought that was great. So I'm asking that we put together, and I've already talked to our city secretary, a proclamation, congratulating Denton County Friends of the Family for their 35 years and all of the work that they've done to work with survivors of domestic violence. And at that time, they can give back to the city what I brought home from that, which was a nice Tiffany box with a Tiffany crystal plaque to the city that we can give back. But I was thinking about that in terms of this last agenda item of dealing with our homeless issue. And we've just done something to help correct folks that are in a temporary homeless situation. And I know that we have a group working on a chronic homeless. But I keep coming across articles about the same solution. In fact, former Councilmember Janet Thompson just gave me an article on it. I was at another event covering for you for staying around with me. >> Do you feel this necessary for the public record? Is there a hidden agenda here? >> And this was on the stand down for veterans, certain veterans. And Ms. Briggs was there. And what we found out was 26 or 27 veterans are in Denton that don't have homes. They're chronically homeless. And here's the deal. Other cities have solved the problem, and they don't have any homeless veterans. And they've done it by simply providing homes for veterans and for even other homeless folks. And when they look at, and they've gotten partnerships with counties and with other agencies. When they look at all of the other costs that go into trying to take care of folks that are chronically homeless, providing them an apartment is the most cost efficient way to help solve the problem. So I'm hoping that, and I'm inspired by a city 35 years ago that went out on the limb for another group that really needed assistance for us to look at ways to, at first, to target getting our veterans that are chron ically homeless out of that situation permanently. And then seeing if we can apply that to other groups. So I don't know what the status of our homeless task force is, but, and I don't know. Is there some staff person, George, that's assigned to that or? >> It may be John as much as anybody. >> Okay. >> Let me follow up, I'm not sure. >> But if we could do that and explore that option. >> Okay. >> And do some exploration and maybe hear back at some future time on what that task force is doing and to be bold in their ask. >> Yes, Ms. Briggs. >> Mayor Pro Tem, I believe that that task force has wrapped up their initial study and is going to be presenting to council at some point in the near future. If I remember correctly from the meeting. >> And one thing that we took, this concluding item. With the task force, and I too agree about the issue of providing to eradicate veteran homelessness. And one thing we discovered was that the Denton Housing Authority through the federal government has what they call V vouchers. Which are strictly for veterans who are homeless to provide housing assistance or rental subsidies. So we're looking at somehow we didn't get that allocation last year and we're looking at how we can get that as part of that process to do that. So thank you, and thank you for covering for me. I appreciate that. >> I'm not calling it out. >> Yeah, that's all right because that means you're just going to get more. >> Yeah. >> Council Member Rhoads. >> I just want to publicly acknowledge a few. Denton is one of those places, we talked about this before, where we are burdened by a number of great festivals and things going on and events going on all the time. And I was struck this week kind of looking at these last couple weeks of events that a lot of them are just a single citizen steps up with an idea and does something pretty cool that all of a sudden puts our city on the map. One example was last Thursday night, I think it was, some folks put a movie on the courthouse lawn. It was back to the future day because it was the time that they were going into the future was whatever that day in 2015. That place was packed downtown, just a great event. Day of the Dead, I know our council member, fellow council member Joey Huggins is intimately involved in that event. And if you saw the coffin races, which I don't know happens anywhere else, but we've got the infrastructure down Hick ory Street. I mean, that place was packed even though there's this threat of rain. Nothing like it around the country. And then just last night, a bar owner decides let's have trick or treat on the square. Started it last year, a ton of people came out, did it this year, even had to change the date within the last couple of days. How many businesses were involved? 100 and something? >> I don't know. >> I mean, there was gobs and gobs and gobs of kids. And it's just, our city's pretty special. So for those folks that are doing those sorts of things to make our city great, I just want to thank you. >> Great. >> Councilman Johnson. >> You want to follow up with that? >> No, go ahead. >> We already know that you're great about Day of the Dead. He already said that you don't. So he stole my number one. Because my dad was with us last night on the square and we 're walking around and he said, he goes, I didn't read anything about this. How does this happen? And I said, Dad, because he just moved to Den. I said, that's what happens here. Somebody says, you know what we ought to do? And then they just make it happen. Now next year we're definitely going to have to have police out there. Because, my gosh, it was crazy with kids everywhere and cars trying to go through and all that stuff. But what a fantastic display even though Day of the Dead, the weather was terrible. Everybody was, Joey was freaking out and yet everybody showed up and it was awesome. So that's my positive one. My request on the next one is, could somebody at the city please post something on our website? Or just email it to me, all of us, so that we can respond to the questions of, are you cutting all the trees down in the median on Teasley ? Tree stumps are in the median and you guys make us pay for trees and you're cutting them down and all that stuff. So I know there's a logical reason for it. If somebody wants to explain it right now on TV, that'd be awesome. But at least send us a response that we can now then respond to those citizens that are concerned. I can't? Well, I can request clarification, I just can't have it. We'll get you something. That'd be great, thank you. And we have, we have. It's on the website? We have put something up. That's awesome. That's fast. Copy and paste, baby. There you go. Council Member Hawkins. Was that Keep Denton Beautiful that put out something or Lauren Barker about the trees? But I've got a lot of those questions too. That's great, thank you. I wanted to see where we were with just the progress of getting high speed internet into town. Where are we at with all those negotiations? Are we going to be forming an ad hoc committee? If we are, I would love to be a part of that. Just having some small businesses downtown and when there's a ton of people on the internet and you can't process a credit card, I mean these are like real life things where you go to Good Sam. And they discontinued their one service to switch to the other one. And then they want to go back and then it's not available and now they're stuck with no internet. I mean it's crazy. So I really want us to or hope that we can make that happen . We can get a report to you. There's a lot of work going on with regard to getting high speed internet. Contact Los Angeles. We'll get a report to you. Council Member Griggs. Oh, I'm sorry. And I did want to just thank everybody who did come out for Day of the Dead and especially working with the Day of the Dead board and the Coffin Race board. They are the hardest working crew and they have fun. We play hard and we work hard. And I just I could not believe how that event went down on Saturday. So just thanks for everybody coming out. Fantastic. Thank you. Council Member Rue. I did not make it out to the square yesterday, but I'm going to go tonight. Have your candy ready. I did hear there were over 3,000 people. I don't know if it was kids or people, but that's a lot of individuals on the square. And there were some suggestions on the mom's page about having the streets closed off next year if it's going to continue to be that big of event. Okay. All right. Fantastic. Any others? Well, in light of Halloween, I will close us with my mustache. So, trick or treat everyone. Come on everyone, put your mustache on. Except George. Except me. Yes. All right, we will now be adjourned.