WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.840 - Good morning and welcome to this meeting 00:00:03.840 --> 00:00:05.240 of the Mobility Committee. 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:08.100 We have a quorum present and we'll dig right 00:00:08.100 --> 00:00:09.600 into the agenda. 00:00:09.600 --> 00:00:12.700 First item for individual consideration is item A, 00:00:12.700 --> 00:00:15.560 MC21-025, consider approval of the minutes 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:18.500 of June 16th, 2021 and June 29th, 2021. 00:00:18.500 --> 00:00:19.760 I'll entertain a motion. 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:22.880 - Motion to approve. 00:00:22.880 --> 00:00:25.120 - You need to use your mic, Council Member. 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:26.320 - Motion to approve. 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:27.540 - And we have a second. 00:00:27.540 --> 00:00:28.380 - I second. 00:00:28.380 --> 00:00:29.760 - All in favor, aye. 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:30.600 - Aye. 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.240 - Okay, the minutes are approved. 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:37.880 And item B, MC21-026, receive a report 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:38.920 and hold the discussion regarding 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:41.960 City of Denton Transportation/Mobility Project 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:43.240 status report. 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:48.200 Title of that thing gets longer and longer. 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:54.720 Good morning, Mr. Poulster. 00:00:54.720 --> 00:00:55.560 - Good morning. 00:00:58.040 --> 00:01:03.040 - All right. 00:01:03.040 --> 00:01:17.560 Good morning, my name is John Poulster 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:19.440 with the Innovative Transportation Solutions 00:01:19.440 --> 00:01:21.680 and I'll be providing you guys with a update 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:26.680 on the city's on-system projects throughout the community. 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:33.040 So this sheet shows the dollar amounts of the total 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:41.760 of the projects that are construction costs 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:45.200 that are being tracked by our firm 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:48.680 with the city staff that impact the residents 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:51.960 on mostly on-system projects. 00:01:51.960 --> 00:01:55.000 So those are the dollars that we either have committed 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:57.500 to a project from the state or in the feds 00:01:57.500 --> 00:01:58.340 or we'll get. 00:01:58.340 --> 00:02:03.680 So the first project is 2181 North-South 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.560 from essentially 2499 in the South 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.520 up to Lillian Miller to the North. 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:12.780 The construction report is provided 00:02:12.780 --> 00:02:14.440 on each of these projects 00:02:14.440 --> 00:02:16.360 that have construction work going on. 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:19.160 Right now, 2181 is working mostly 00:02:19.160 --> 00:02:22.840 with subgrade improvements, 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:31.120 pavement, subgrade improvements, 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:33.180 and then laying of concrete. 00:02:33.180 --> 00:02:37.240 We've got some minor utility conflicts that occur 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:39.960 as we go through the process. 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:41.640 They're just essentially utilities 00:02:41.640 --> 00:02:44.860 that were not where they were said to be on the plans, 00:02:44.860 --> 00:02:47.920 but they are not things that are really impacting 00:02:47.920 --> 00:02:49.800 the schedule of the project. 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:51.560 And currently we're still on track 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:55.780 for summer of next year to be completed with this project. 00:02:57.640 --> 00:03:01.720 Your Mayhill 35E project, this project, 00:03:01.720 --> 00:03:05.240 you note that for those of you who are seeing these reports 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:06.320 for the second or third time, 00:03:06.320 --> 00:03:09.200 the yellow items that have changed 00:03:09.200 --> 00:03:11.280 from the last time you saw the report. 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:15.980 So the schedule has been modified 00:03:15.980 --> 00:03:20.760 to reflect the completion of the utilities 00:03:20.760 --> 00:03:23.360 in September of 23, and that was pushed 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:26.800 because we had to add about four parcels 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:28.400 to this project because we're adding 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:32.040 that direct connect ramp on Brinker 00:03:32.040 --> 00:03:34.000 so that you don't have to stop at the signal. 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:38.520 So that pushed the schedule out to September 23. 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.860 The funding for this project is in place, 00:03:41.860 --> 00:03:45.720 and we're working with several utilities, 00:03:45.720 --> 00:03:47.240 everything you see there on that list 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:49.640 are all the utilities we're working with 00:03:49.640 --> 00:03:52.240 to get out of the way essentially for that project 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.440 so that we can construct it in September of 23. 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:00.400 So the interim improvements, 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:04.160 we met with TechStat last week, 00:04:04.160 --> 00:04:08.040 and they are going to use one of their maintenance contracts 00:04:08.040 --> 00:04:10.280 to essentially, the reason the barrels are still out there 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:13.320 is there's two lanes that come up from the frontage road 00:04:13.320 --> 00:04:17.680 to where Calloways is, but when you get to the intersection, 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:20.780 it's a right only, so they're gonna stripe off 00:04:20.780 --> 00:04:24.120 the hatch stripes so that it narrows it down 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:26.760 to one lane before you get to that turn. 00:04:26.760 --> 00:04:29.320 So that everybody knows it's only one lane now. 00:04:29.320 --> 00:04:31.360 So as soon as that striping is done, 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:35.160 the barrels will be pulled up and it'll be essentially, 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:36.920 this interim project will be done. 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:42.700 Yes ma'am, that was the improvement, 00:04:42.700 --> 00:04:46.280 was to put the bollards up and to make it a right turn only, 00:04:46.280 --> 00:04:47.800 and they were able to get that done quickly 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:51.560 to stop the movement, but we need to get the traffic control 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:55.800 and the striping done to fit the situation now. 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:58.300 And once we get that done, we'll pull the barrels. 00:04:58.300 --> 00:05:04.800 Okay, the Big Kahuna, I don't know why I keep doing that. 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:10.520 So this project is the project from the two merges 00:05:10.520 --> 00:05:13.860 all the way up to 77. 00:05:13.860 --> 00:05:16.980 The critical path item on this project are the utilities, 00:05:16.980 --> 00:05:20.960 and we are working with TechStat on a, 00:05:20.960 --> 00:05:25.880 I would say bi-weekly basis to coordinate the city's 00:05:25.880 --> 00:05:29.600 utility issues and DME to make sure that we're, 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:33.960 the project is accommodating the utilities 00:05:33.960 --> 00:05:36.640 and the utilities are working with the project 00:05:36.640 --> 00:05:37.800 as best we can. 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:40.760 And so for example, up there at the Presbyterian Hospital, 00:05:40.760 --> 00:05:43.440 we're working with DME to, 00:05:43.440 --> 00:05:46.200 'cause the transmission line crosses there at Oak, 00:05:46.200 --> 00:05:49.440 and we're rebuilding that interchange. 00:05:49.440 --> 00:05:52.800 And so that utility has to move 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:53.960 so we can do that interchange. 00:05:53.960 --> 00:05:57.960 And so we're working with DME, the hospital and the county 00:05:57.960 --> 00:05:59.260 to coordinate those efforts. 00:05:59.260 --> 00:06:02.360 So there's an ongoing full court press 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:04.440 between the city and the county and the state 00:06:04.440 --> 00:06:07.300 to make sure that the utilities in this corridor 00:06:07.300 --> 00:06:10.000 do get completed by the August 23, 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:12.520 because that's the critical path item on this project. 00:06:12.520 --> 00:06:14.920 Again, fully funded, 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:17.240 just waiting for the utilities to be acquired. 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:20.680 The new right away is essentially completed. 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:21.920 There's a couple of parcels 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:25.480 that have been negotiated and approved, 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:28.920 but we have to wait till the new fiscal year 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:30.620 before we can actually pay them, 00:06:30.620 --> 00:06:33.380 because the state ran out of right away money 00:06:33.380 --> 00:06:35.080 for this fiscal year. 00:06:35.080 --> 00:06:36.860 So essentially it's done, 00:06:36.860 --> 00:06:41.320 but they won't close those documents until October. 00:06:45.280 --> 00:06:49.560 So good news is 380 improvements was let on July 2nd. 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:52.000 Jago Public got it. 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:53.880 That's 120 working days. 00:06:53.880 --> 00:06:58.560 And so technically they have till January 22 to get that. 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:01.560 So it's about six months to get all those improvements done, 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:03.960 but we think it'll be more closer to December 00:07:03.960 --> 00:07:05.200 for a substantially complete, 00:07:05.200 --> 00:07:07.200 which means that they're still working 00:07:07.200 --> 00:07:08.660 on the contract punch list items, 00:07:08.660 --> 00:07:11.260 but we're driving on it the way we wanna drive on it. 00:07:11.260 --> 00:07:14.960 So that should do a lot to solve a lot of the problems 00:07:14.960 --> 00:07:16.920 in that part of the city. 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:20.840 - So December 22, 2022. 00:07:20.840 --> 00:07:22.640 - Six months, let's do it that way. 00:07:22.640 --> 00:07:25.340 - Yeah, which six months, okay. 00:07:25.340 --> 00:07:28.040 - This six months from now till December 21, 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:29.560 maybe January 22. 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:31.920 - That's great, I appreciate the focus on that. 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:37.040 - City, your staff really pushed the issue 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:40.440 and also was part of the solution for solving the problem. 00:07:40.440 --> 00:07:44.040 And so they really need to be appreciative of that 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.480 'cause they really didn't get in with their sleeves rolled up 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:47.760 to resolve that problem. 00:07:47.760 --> 00:07:50.240 You bet. 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:59.280 - Thank you for the reminder. 00:07:59.280 --> 00:08:02.320 Would you, for the people that are looking, 00:08:02.320 --> 00:08:03.880 explain that picture. 00:08:03.880 --> 00:08:07.640 What is all this red and excellent, 00:08:07.640 --> 00:08:10.520 I mean, Xs and stripes? 00:08:10.520 --> 00:08:12.240 - Okay, so what we're showing you there 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:15.280 is a snapshot of the northern part of the project. 00:08:15.280 --> 00:08:18.440 But the project goes from essentially scripture 00:08:18.440 --> 00:08:20.680 all the way up to 380. 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:22.520 But if we showed you the whole drawing, 00:08:22.520 --> 00:08:25.680 it would be so small you couldn't see any of the details. 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:26.960 So to keep it on one page, 00:08:26.960 --> 00:08:28.400 we're just showing you the intersection. 00:08:28.400 --> 00:08:30.820 But essentially what you have right now 00:08:30.820 --> 00:08:34.800 is you enter the freeway north of scripture 00:08:34.800 --> 00:08:38.960 and you exit the freeway just south of 380, 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:40.400 right at the intersection, right? 00:08:40.400 --> 00:08:42.600 Which we exit right there. 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:44.720 What we're doing is flipping that process 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:48.320 where we're gonna exit down further south 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:51.040 and you're gonna enter where the exit ramp is. 00:08:51.040 --> 00:08:52.880 And so if you look at the drawing here, 00:08:52.880 --> 00:08:58.760 that exit ramp is the hatch part where you see 00:08:58.760 --> 00:09:01.320 that goes from main lanes to the frontage road. 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:02.160 That's coming out. 00:09:02.160 --> 00:09:04.480 That's where the current ramp is now. 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:07.560 And then the red line's going from the frontage road 00:09:07.560 --> 00:09:10.520 to the freeway is the on ramp that we're putting 00:09:10.520 --> 00:09:13.920 on the project so that you can get on the freeway. 00:09:13.920 --> 00:09:16.840 And then the red you see on the frontage road 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:21.840 just south of that old curve is where we're adding pavement 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:27.560 so that when you get to the intersection at the 380 and 35, 00:09:27.560 --> 00:09:32.800 you'll be able to have a longer right turn bay 00:09:32.800 --> 00:09:36.040 to transition so you're out of the through traffic. 00:09:36.040 --> 00:09:38.120 And then we're taking that nose 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:41.680 at the end of the frontage road at the intersection. 00:09:41.680 --> 00:09:44.640 We're taking that out so it'll allow for a dual left, 00:09:44.640 --> 00:09:49.160 which you currently already have a left and a through left. 00:09:49.160 --> 00:09:51.960 It'll allow us to have two dual lefts and then two throughs. 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:54.920 So that'll also put more traffic through the intersection. 00:09:54.920 --> 00:09:58.040 So we're improving the intersection to have more capacity. 00:09:58.040 --> 00:10:03.040 We are flipping the ramps so that you get off further south 00:10:03.040 --> 00:10:05.600 and all your weaving and merging happens 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:07.040 on the frontage road at lower speeds 00:10:07.040 --> 00:10:08.160 and up on the main lanes. 00:10:08.160 --> 00:10:11.400 And then we're adding an auxiliary lane 00:10:11.400 --> 00:10:15.200 on the frontage road because we're taking the off ramp 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:17.800 off further south, we're adding another lane 00:10:17.800 --> 00:10:19.480 so that there'll be three lanes of frontage 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:20.720 on the frontage road. 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:23.040 And then we're adding an auxiliary lane on the main lanes 00:10:23.040 --> 00:10:26.680 because right now, when you come up 35W, 00:10:26.680 --> 00:10:28.680 you've got two lanes that merges over that bridge 00:10:28.680 --> 00:10:31.360 down to one, it's striped. 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:34.720 And then you have to get on the freeway as a single lane. 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:37.160 That bridge is built for two lanes. 00:10:37.160 --> 00:10:40.920 So if we add the auxiliary up through this intersection, 00:10:40.920 --> 00:10:43.720 then 35W will have two lanes coming up 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:46.120 across the bridge and onto the highway. 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:50.040 So it gets through that funnel at 35W 00:10:50.040 --> 00:10:52.080 and it takes all the merge and weave 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.600 and puts it on the frontage road. 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:56.680 - And Mr. Poulster, Council Member Byrd, 00:10:56.680 --> 00:11:00.000 I just wanted to add that city staff has been working 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:03.440 on some graphics that are, you know, 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:06.240 a little bit more simplified that help explain 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:07.560 kind of what's going on in this area. 00:11:07.560 --> 00:11:10.040 I realize this is a fairly detailed drawing 00:11:10.040 --> 00:11:11.960 and John did an excellent job of explaining it, 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:15.120 but it is a little bit difficult to understand. 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:17.360 And so we are working on that in collaboration 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:20.320 with Public Affairs, also TxDOT, 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:23.280 and then also our Economic Development Department. 00:11:23.280 --> 00:11:25.440 And we are going to be posting that information 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:26.280 on the website. 00:11:26.280 --> 00:11:28.440 So there's gonna be additional information 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:30.320 that's gonna be available and we'll make sure 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:32.200 that y'all are aware of those locations. 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:34.120 You know, we did have a meeting last Friday 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:36.080 to talk through those specific logistics 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:37.600 just to help in that nature. 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:38.680 - Thank you very much. 00:11:38.680 --> 00:11:41.520 I mean, I have one question and me personally, 00:11:41.520 --> 00:11:46.520 I'm curious about is how does a decision made 00:11:46.520 --> 00:11:52.080 to create a U-turn versus a non U-turn 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:55.240 at a major intersection like that? 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:56.800 - So-- 00:11:56.800 --> 00:11:58.800 - 'Cause I don't believe that intersection has a U-turn. 00:11:58.800 --> 00:11:59.640 - It does. 00:11:59.640 --> 00:12:00.480 - Oh, it does, okay. 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:01.400 - It does, you just can't get to it 00:12:01.400 --> 00:12:05.600 because there's no transition or de-cell lane there. 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:07.480 It's just, you're waiting in line 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:10.480 for your chance to either go left or make the U-turn. 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:11.840 - Okay. 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:13.440 - So the answer is, is in the past, 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.240 they would put Texas U-turns where they were warranted. 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:20.280 Now, every interchange that the state does 00:12:20.280 --> 00:12:21.720 has Texas U-turns in them. 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:25.440 So as you upgrade a project, they use the new paradigm 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:27.440 and they come in with the new Texas use. 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:34.200 - Someday you'll explain to me why that's only in Texas. 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:36.780 - Well, Texas is, I think, one of the only states, 00:12:36.780 --> 00:12:39.280 if not the only state that does have frontage roads 00:12:39.280 --> 00:12:43.560 and that takes one movement out of the intersection 00:12:43.560 --> 00:12:47.840 if you have the U-turn and if you have frontage roads, 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:51.480 you need to separate the turning movements. 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:53.720 Most states don't have frontage roads, 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:55.720 but that's why Texas has a better economy the most 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:58.000 'cause we have more development. 00:12:58.000 --> 00:12:59.200 Whether you think that's good or bad, 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:00.600 I'm just saying we got it. 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:06.600 I've been married a long time. 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:11.100 All right, 35 North, this is a project from 377 00:13:11.100 --> 00:13:13.680 all the way out to the county line. 00:13:13.680 --> 00:13:16.320 They are gonna be building it in three segments 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:18.320 and they think it's pretty close to what you see 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:19.600 on the color scheme. 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:23.000 And that only is because they wanna keep 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:26.160 the dollar amounts per contract at a certain level 00:13:26.160 --> 00:13:29.680 because it allows a broader spectrum of contractors 00:13:29.680 --> 00:13:31.080 to bid on it. 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:34.240 And we're moving towards a ready-to-let of December 23 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:37.440 and we're still on track for that. 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:43.420 The U35W main lanes, again, 00:13:43.420 --> 00:13:45.060 we're awaiting environmental clearance. 00:13:45.060 --> 00:13:47.320 We think we're actually gonna get it this month 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:51.200 because all we were actually waiting for is conformity 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:54.640 to be approved and what conformity is 00:13:54.640 --> 00:13:58.120 is there's the Clean Air Act 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:02.080 and then there's the National Environmental Protection Act 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:04.640 for environmental issues. 00:14:04.640 --> 00:14:09.320 And what conformity requires is for your transportation plan 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:13.400 to conform to the concepts and ideas and visions 00:14:13.400 --> 00:14:17.400 that are included in NEPA and the Clean Air Act. 00:14:17.400 --> 00:14:20.000 So for example, in North Texas, 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.500 we have a 10 county area that's in non-attainment 00:14:24.500 --> 00:14:25.340 for air quality. 00:14:25.340 --> 00:14:27.600 And so you have to do certain things. 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:29.200 And one of those things you have to do is make sure 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.160 that whatever transportation system you're putting 00:14:32.160 --> 00:14:37.160 on the ground in the next 20 years has a budget, 00:14:37.160 --> 00:14:44.040 an emissions budget below the budget set by Clean Air Act. 00:14:44.040 --> 00:14:46.720 And so you have to, whenever you add a project 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:51.040 to the system, you have to go through this air quality 00:14:51.040 --> 00:14:54.880 process to determine that the vehicle, 00:14:54.880 --> 00:14:58.080 the fault organic compounds or VOC emissions 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.920 are below a certain threshold of so many tons per day. 00:15:01.920 --> 00:15:04.840 And that whole process is called conformity. 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:09.400 So we got conformity approval, 00:15:09.400 --> 00:15:11.280 which means that at the end of the month, 00:15:11.280 --> 00:15:13.160 the feds will give us an environmental clearance, 00:15:13.160 --> 00:15:16.320 which means that it actually doesn't mean anything 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:18.680 because if you look on the next page, 00:15:18.680 --> 00:15:23.160 we've already got the exact same footprint cleared 00:15:23.160 --> 00:15:26.000 back on June 30th of 2020 for the frontage roads, 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.640 which is the furthest part out on the project. 00:15:28.640 --> 00:15:30.400 So we've already got the footprint cleared 00:15:30.400 --> 00:15:32.840 and they're already acquiring right away. 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:35.600 And this may be a good time to stop and note that 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:42.960 the Houston folks filed lawsuit against TechStop 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:46.280 on what they wanna do for the North Houston 00:15:46.280 --> 00:15:50.200 Highway Improvement Program in their city and county. 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:53.960 So TechStop, being the accommodating folks that they are, 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:56.920 decided to take $3 billion back from them 00:15:56.920 --> 00:15:59.320 and they're gonna reallocate that to other projects 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:02.320 in the state 'cause they still have to spend the money. 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:06.660 So North Texas is the largest metropolitan area, 00:16:06.660 --> 00:16:09.480 even larger than Houston. 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:11.440 And we've got the most number of projects 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.360 that are eligible for the criteria that's set 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:17.240 for that 3 billion and the frontage road project 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:20.360 has been submitted to the commission 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:25.040 for consideration of funding in the next 18 months or so. 00:16:25.040 --> 00:16:28.640 So we're acquiring right away now. 00:16:28.640 --> 00:16:32.040 If we don't get the full dollar amount, 00:16:32.040 --> 00:16:36.400 we will work with TechStop Dallas and headquarters 00:16:36.400 --> 00:16:38.720 to at least get some partial funding on it 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:42.760 to do the frontage roads from roughly 407 North 00:16:42.760 --> 00:16:47.320 to the city of Denton-Wishbone. 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:52.360 So these dates are critical for us to continue 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:56.140 to hit the March 23 and June 24. 00:16:56.140 --> 00:17:02.600 Now your US 377 project, this is a project 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:05.400 that is under construction with TechStop. 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:08.640 We've been doing some work on changeable message signs 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.880 to really push people to slow down. 00:17:13.360 --> 00:17:16.880 What was gonna actually help solve the safety issue 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:21.880 with the road is when we can get a center temporary barrier 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:23.880 up because most of the accidents that have happened 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.000 out there have been crossover accidents. 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:30.960 But what they have to do first is those bridges 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:33.160 are only rated for so much weight. 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:34.760 And even if you put a barrel out there, 00:17:34.760 --> 00:17:36.000 the barrel is filled with water 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:37.600 and it has a weight capacity to it. 00:17:37.600 --> 00:17:41.160 So they're under pinning the bridge structure as we speak, 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:45.840 evaluating which columns need to be shored up. 00:17:45.840 --> 00:17:47.920 And once they get certified, 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:49.760 that it can carry the additional weight, 00:17:49.760 --> 00:17:52.480 they'll put a center barrier throughout the corridor 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:56.080 to preclude the crossover issues, 00:17:56.080 --> 00:17:58.240 which should go a long way to solving the problem 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:00.960 we have right now, which the ultimate project will solve 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:02.760 because it'll have a raised median. 00:18:02.760 --> 00:18:09.960 And everything I just said is in there on the report. 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:13.000 You can. 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:23.200 - When they put the barrier up, the temporary barrier, 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:26.200 is it just gonna be in certain locations 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:29.600 or is this gonna expand the whole? 00:18:29.600 --> 00:18:33.080 - Well, it will essentially cover the limits of the project 00:18:33.080 --> 00:18:35.280 with the exception of where you have cross streets 00:18:35.280 --> 00:18:37.280 that have to cross over and turn left. 00:18:37.280 --> 00:18:41.040 So it'll be mostly continuous. 00:18:41.040 --> 00:18:45.520 - And that's gonna be that low concrete wall type barrier? 00:18:45.520 --> 00:18:47.360 - It could either be the low concrete ones 00:18:47.360 --> 00:18:50.160 or those orange, they're the same shape, 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:52.560 they're made out of plastic filled with water. 00:18:52.560 --> 00:18:54.840 Both of them do the same thing. 00:18:54.840 --> 00:18:56.640 It's just one's a little bit lighter. 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:59.800 - Thank you. 00:18:59.800 --> 00:19:04.660 - So then your 380 East project further on, 00:19:04.660 --> 00:19:08.200 for those of you that drive that way, 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:10.880 we've been told by TechStot to go ahead, 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:12.440 if you remember our last report 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:15.280 where it says the let date, it was an asterisk 00:19:15.280 --> 00:19:16.960 because we weren't sure. 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:18.600 What TechStot's decided to do, 00:19:18.600 --> 00:19:19.900 they've got the certifications 00:19:19.900 --> 00:19:23.560 from all of these utilities here 00:19:23.560 --> 00:19:26.880 that they will have the utilities completed 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.240 by December of this year. 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:31.520 But when they looked at where the utilities are working 00:19:31.520 --> 00:19:34.080 versus where the contract can work, 00:19:34.080 --> 00:19:36.960 there's significant portions of the road 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:38.280 where the contract can work 00:19:38.280 --> 00:19:41.160 where the utilities are already relocated. 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:43.960 So they're gonna let the project in August 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:47.480 with special notes, special provisions 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:49.960 saying you can work in these from station to station. 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:51.280 So when they bid it, they're bidding it 00:19:51.280 --> 00:19:53.680 knowing that they can't work in these areas before December 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:56.760 so we'll get comparable bids. 00:19:56.760 --> 00:20:00.000 So it will go in August, 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.480 which means that September, October, 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:05.120 late September, early October, 00:20:05.120 --> 00:20:09.320 the contractor has about 60 days to mobilize. 00:20:09.320 --> 00:20:10.880 You'll be seeing work out there anyway 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:12.400 because the utilities will be out there 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:15.400 but the contractor themselves should be out there 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:19.120 sometime in the October, November timeframe. 00:20:19.120 --> 00:20:20.360 And this project adds, 00:20:20.360 --> 00:20:22.760 just like the previous one does, additional lanes. 00:20:22.760 --> 00:20:26.440 So currently you have a four-lane with a flush median 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:30.400 and the project that's under construction out here, 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:32.760 you got four lanes with flush median. 00:20:32.760 --> 00:20:34.320 When we're done, you'll have six lanes 00:20:34.320 --> 00:20:36.760 with a raised median and you'll have grade separations 00:20:36.760 --> 00:20:41.760 at NAVO, TEAL, Legacy, 423 and 720. 00:20:41.760 --> 00:20:46.800 So it'll act like a semi-freeway. 00:20:46.800 --> 00:20:56.960 Okay, so feasibility study for 380, 00:20:56.960 --> 00:20:58.520 they are gonna be coming out saying 00:20:58.520 --> 00:21:01.240 that 380 needs to be a freeway 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:05.480 but they're not gonna finish the report till the fall. 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:07.360 And again, the reason they're not finishing the report 00:21:07.360 --> 00:21:09.480 till fall, 'cause they're already done, 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:11.920 is they ran out of develop authority 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:14.720 until the next fiscal year, which starts September 1st. 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:20.640 So HDR has to wait until they get a second notice 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:23.720 to proceed to do the final public meeting 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:25.240 just from a financial standpoint. 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:27.520 They'll close it out and we're already, 00:21:27.520 --> 00:21:31.960 the city and the county, we're already working with TechStat 00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:35.120 to begin the environmental clearance right now on a freeway 00:21:35.120 --> 00:21:36.680 'cause it's already needed. 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:40.400 Luke 288. 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:44.440 So Denton County will be putting the contract 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:47.640 for Chang, Patel and Yerby on their court agenda 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:48.800 for July 27th. 00:21:48.800 --> 00:21:50.600 That's a little over $5 million 00:21:50.600 --> 00:21:53.400 for the plan specifications and estimates. 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:55.760 The project is environmentally cleared. 00:21:55.760 --> 00:21:57.640 They're acquiring right away 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:00.240 and we will be designing the project 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.280 and this is another because it's a loop. 00:22:03.280 --> 00:22:05.320 It's eligible for both clear lanes 00:22:05.320 --> 00:22:06.840 and because we're environmentally cleared 00:22:06.840 --> 00:22:08.600 and we're acquiring right away and we're starting design, 00:22:08.600 --> 00:22:11.520 it's also eligible for being submitted 00:22:11.520 --> 00:22:13.760 as a candidate project for that $3 billion. 00:22:13.760 --> 00:22:18.760 So right now we've got very little funding 00:22:18.760 --> 00:22:20.880 allocated to the project 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:23.200 but this is a project that is critical 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:26.440 for both city of Denton and the county. 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:28.920 TechStat was one that asked us to revive it 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:33.000 because it's part of the future outer loop 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:36.720 and then the region because it's part of the outer loop. 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:39.760 - Excuse me, John, if you don't mind going back one. 00:22:39.760 --> 00:22:42.720 When you say it needs to be a freeway, 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:47.920 which I would agree is eminently true, 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:51.440 what does that physically mean to you 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:52.600 when you say it needs to be a freeway? 00:22:52.600 --> 00:22:53.440 Elevated? 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:56.520 - Yeah, so what happens is it's not necessarily elevated, 00:22:56.520 --> 00:22:58.320 although parts of it will be. 00:22:58.320 --> 00:23:00.440 It's that it's controlled access. 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:02.400 So you have frontage roads. 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:06.800 So you have frontage roads and grade separations 00:23:06.800 --> 00:23:09.320 and free flow main lanes. 00:23:09.320 --> 00:23:11.200 And to put this in perspective, 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:13.920 I think the average daily traffic out there 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:18.080 is a little over 70,000 cars and 55,000 or more, 00:23:18.080 --> 00:23:20.720 you get to where you should be in a freeway scenario 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:23.560 and 12 years, 15 years from now, 00:23:23.560 --> 00:23:26.720 it's pushed to be like 90,000. 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:30.800 So even that's after we plug in the outer loop 00:23:30.800 --> 00:23:34.560 as a limited access facility or freeway. 00:23:34.560 --> 00:23:38.080 So that traffic that's gonna come from the fact 00:23:38.080 --> 00:23:40.040 that we're building the toll road right now 00:23:40.040 --> 00:23:42.840 to Grayson County, it's under construction, 00:23:42.840 --> 00:23:46.160 that traffic is gonna come south. 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:47.560 And if the outer loop is there, 00:23:47.560 --> 00:23:50.920 they'll take that in west because it's a quicker 00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:52.520 move around the corner. 00:23:52.520 --> 00:23:54.720 But if that's, even with that there, 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:59.720 380 goes to 90,000 in 2035 or something like that. 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:04.360 - But controlled access is the core thought 00:24:04.360 --> 00:24:07.720 and frontage roads, but then when you say great separation. 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:09.240 - That's a bridge over. 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:13.040 So when you pull up to 423 coming out of Frisco, 00:24:13.040 --> 00:24:15.400 you go north, when you hit 380, 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:18.920 380 is gonna go over, you'll go under-- 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:20.160 - Overpasses and underpasses. 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:21.480 - Over and underpasses. 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.840 - Got it, great explanation, thank you. 00:24:23.840 --> 00:24:26.760 - I'll take the two great separations 00:24:26.760 --> 00:24:29.760 in the appendix glossary. 00:24:29.760 --> 00:24:34.800 So in that note, Loop 288 is proposed 00:24:34.800 --> 00:24:38.280 as a actual physical controlled access facility. 00:24:38.280 --> 00:24:42.000 So it'll have frontage roads and freeway main lanes 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:47.000 and great overpasses and underpasses at the cross streets. 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:56.320 So again, we've already, today's the 21st, 00:24:56.320 --> 00:24:57.880 so yes, it is, right? 00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:02.240 Okay, so yesterday, Commissioners Court approved 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:06.440 the LTRA design packet for doing the design 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:08.480 on this project as well. 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:11.080 It was about just under two million bucks 00:25:11.080 --> 00:25:15.600 and we are working with city staff to make sure again, 00:25:15.600 --> 00:25:19.960 because this is primarily a road that impacts 00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.640 all of the industrial area in that area, 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.240 that we'll coordinate with the city to make sure 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:29.520 that what we design is what the city wants to see happen. 00:25:29.520 --> 00:25:38.400 1173, so right now we're awaiting environmental clearance 00:25:39.040 --> 00:25:41.560 and we're also, it was part of conformity 00:25:41.560 --> 00:25:46.040 and we were told last Friday that it will be cleared 00:25:46.040 --> 00:25:48.120 because it has received conformity, 00:25:48.120 --> 00:25:53.120 so 1173 will be cleared this month as well. 00:25:53.120 --> 00:25:55.360 There is negotiations and conversations 00:25:55.360 --> 00:25:57.760 between the county and TechStock 00:25:57.760 --> 00:26:01.160 on who picks up the next phase of the project 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:06.160 where on the design and at some point, 00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:08.600 well, the county's decided they're gonna go out 00:26:08.600 --> 00:26:10.680 for a bond program next November 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:12.720 and we're already working with city staff 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:14.800 to coordinate your efforts on that 00:26:14.800 --> 00:26:16.880 and probably this will be one of those projects 00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:19.280 that you see on the bond program where the county 00:26:19.280 --> 00:26:23.120 goes ahead and moves forward with all of the design documents, 00:26:23.120 --> 00:26:27.400 the 10% right away match and then any construction dollars 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:30.280 that TechStock says they may need on the project. 00:26:30.280 --> 00:26:34.360 So this is gonna become fairly more active fairly quickly. 00:26:38.120 --> 00:26:41.920 Okay, so Alma Locus and I'm gonna be out of my depth 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:46.520 real fast on this, but essentially we've been working, 00:26:46.520 --> 00:26:49.960 I know that's not surprising to anybody. 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:57.840 We've been working with TechStock 00:26:57.840 --> 00:27:00.560 on how to deal with Alma Locus for years 00:27:00.560 --> 00:27:05.360 and we think we have a tentative agreement. 00:27:05.360 --> 00:27:09.000 City's gone in from the courthouse south 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:12.640 and all those improvements and the road 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:16.080 is in a certain degree of state of disrepair 00:27:16.080 --> 00:27:18.320 that we were talking about on Friday 00:27:18.320 --> 00:27:23.320 that TechStock needs to find a quick remedy 00:27:23.320 --> 00:27:28.520 to get that pavement back to a navigable surface 00:27:28.520 --> 00:27:31.440 in the interim, but ultimately to reconstruct it 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:36.440 and at that point, TechStock inquires to the city's desire 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:40.480 to take Alma Locus off system 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:42.960 and the thinking is if you take it off system 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.840 after they fix it, right, where it's a real road again, 00:27:46.840 --> 00:27:50.160 that you'll be able to use the road as you see fit 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:52.720 and make it into your own image as opposed to something 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:55.160 that TechStock says you can and can't do. 00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:57.360 So I don't know how much I butchered that, 00:27:57.360 --> 00:27:59.480 but I'm looking for salvation. 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:03.160 - Well, I'd like to understand why there's discussion 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:08.040 of two steps, you know, making it quickly navigable 00:28:08.040 --> 00:28:08.880 and reconstructing it. 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.360 Why are we just doing it? 00:28:11.360 --> 00:28:12.760 I think that'll be really confusing to people. 00:28:12.760 --> 00:28:15.320 Like they fix it and then they tore it up again. 00:28:15.320 --> 00:28:17.000 That's the thing that makes people laugh. 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:19.440 - What we're talking about is the milling overlay 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:24.120 so that you're not looking like you're in the Kosovo, right? 00:28:24.120 --> 00:28:27.280 So we just wanna get at something that's drivable, 00:28:27.280 --> 00:28:30.440 that's quick and easy because the reconstruct 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.040 where you come in and you do the subgrade improvements 00:28:33.040 --> 00:28:36.200 and you put the road back so that it lasts a long time 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:39.160 so that if you do take it, you're getting a quality product 00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:42.360 as opposed to something with paint on it, essentially. 00:28:42.360 --> 00:28:45.960 - What's the time interval between milling overlay 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.480 and just reconstructing it again? 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.360 - A long time for people. 00:28:50.360 --> 00:28:53.280 It's a minute for TechStock, but it's a long time for humans. 00:28:53.280 --> 00:28:57.040 I'm still looking for help. 00:28:57.040 --> 00:28:59.800 - No, you're fine, I was waiting for you to be finished. 00:28:59.800 --> 00:29:03.680 Mayor Pro Temelter, I just mentioned that this is something 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.000 that we are actively working on with TechStock. 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:09.760 Our concern is we are gonna be completed 00:29:09.760 --> 00:29:12.480 with all of our project in the very near future 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:14.280 and that is the water and sewer 00:29:14.280 --> 00:29:16.640 and storm drain improvements basically 00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:18.920 from the courthouse south, as John mentioned. 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.280 And I think our concern is that that road has been patched 00:29:22.280 --> 00:29:24.440 so that it still has a drivable surface. 00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:28.560 And some of the discussion, and this is a constant 00:29:28.560 --> 00:29:30.360 conversation that we're having at this time, 00:29:30.360 --> 00:29:34.920 is previous staff have looked into taking 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.560 this roadway infrastructure over at such time 00:29:38.560 --> 00:29:43.520 that is repaired and reconstructed to a standard 00:29:43.520 --> 00:29:46.440 of which we feel like we're comfortable with taking over. 00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.160 A milling overlay would be something that would be 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.640 an interim step that could be completed maybe 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:54.960 through a maintenance contract with TechStock 00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:56.960 versus a full reconstruct which would have 00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.760 to actually be bid and a process would have to go through. 00:29:59.760 --> 00:30:01.640 - And designed. - And designed. 00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:05.200 And so there may be this interim step simply 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.160 from the standpoint that the city is not interested 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.720 in taking over the roadway permanently 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:13.960 until it's reconstructed to the standard 00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:15.640 of which we are willing to accept. 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.200 So I think the purpose of the mill and overlay 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:20.560 is simply from the standpoint that currently 00:30:20.560 --> 00:30:23.560 that roadway infrastructure is not designed 00:30:23.560 --> 00:30:27.280 and also not a programmed project that they currently have 00:30:27.280 --> 00:30:28.320 that they're working through. 00:30:28.320 --> 00:30:31.360 So those are interim conversations that we've been having 00:30:31.360 --> 00:30:33.120 over the last few weeks. 00:30:33.120 --> 00:30:35.160 TechStock's committed to working with us 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:36.600 to come up with a plan. 00:30:36.600 --> 00:30:38.680 And so I would say that that mill and overlay 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:41.120 that John mentioned is just simply from the standpoint 00:30:41.120 --> 00:30:44.560 that we don't want there to be a large gap of time 00:30:44.560 --> 00:30:48.760 in between the time that the utilities 00:30:48.760 --> 00:30:51.920 and the storm drain is completed until they can actually 00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:53.640 come in and do that reconstruction. 00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:56.760 So-- - Forgive me, I'm a bit baffled 00:30:56.760 --> 00:31:01.760 'cause it's gotta be a good year ago or more 00:31:01.760 --> 00:31:06.080 that council voted to take those over 00:31:06.080 --> 00:31:08.680 when it was put in condition to be worthy 00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:09.760 of being taken over. 00:31:09.760 --> 00:31:12.560 So why isn't it being bid now 00:31:12.560 --> 00:31:15.400 so that after utilities, the reconstruct happens? 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:16.720 I don't understand the gap. - Well, I'm gonna answer that 00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:19.040 'cause I don't want her to answer that. 00:31:19.040 --> 00:31:21.360 What happened at TechStock is 00:31:21.360 --> 00:31:26.360 they have turnover there as all organizations do. 00:31:26.360 --> 00:31:28.800 And the people that are there now 00:31:28.800 --> 00:31:31.520 did not get communicated properly with. 00:31:31.520 --> 00:31:34.640 But the intent was we come along right behind them. 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:36.320 So somewhere along the way that, 00:31:36.320 --> 00:31:38.680 and I'm gonna take responsibility for that. 00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:40.800 Somewhere along the way when the transition of staff 00:31:40.800 --> 00:31:45.800 at TechStock occurred, that communication didn't get made. 00:31:45.800 --> 00:31:49.600 And when we were talking to the folks that we think 00:31:49.600 --> 00:31:53.320 they're gonna start showing a really good focus 00:31:53.320 --> 00:31:55.240 for city of Denton, with the folks that got there now 00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:57.960 are there long-term and they're very capable. 00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:02.520 We essentially started that conversation on Friday. 00:32:02.520 --> 00:32:05.920 So I'm gonna call that on me. 00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:08.440 - Yeah, I appreciate you owning that. 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:13.440 That's, I guess I'd ask you offline to think about it. 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:17.000 How could I possibly avoid the future? 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.080 That's a big miss. 00:32:19.080 --> 00:32:20.240 - Yes, sir. 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:21.560 But the mill and overlay is simply, 00:32:21.560 --> 00:32:24.040 they came in with a machine, they mill it flat, 00:32:24.040 --> 00:32:25.800 get it as smooth as possible 00:32:25.800 --> 00:32:29.320 without impacting any of the substructures. 00:32:29.320 --> 00:32:31.240 And then they come in with a two-inch overlay. 00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:34.000 And that's like a coat of paint. 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.000 And that will last about as long as it takes us 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.680 to get the other project designed and bid and awarded. 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.440 So we'd have to do that anyway. 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:48.480 But if the city wanted to just take it over after that, 00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:50.120 I would fight you hammer and tongue 00:32:50.120 --> 00:32:52.400 'cause the substructure's not good. 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.120 - Yeah, we wanna make sure 00:32:54.120 --> 00:32:56.280 that when we take that infrastructure over 00:32:56.280 --> 00:32:59.360 that it's to the standard of which we believe it should be. 00:32:59.360 --> 00:33:01.600 And that will be part of the MOU. 00:33:01.600 --> 00:33:05.800 My understanding that all of the MOU, 00:33:05.800 --> 00:33:08.080 and I wasn't in this position at that time, 00:33:08.080 --> 00:33:11.240 but the MOU that has been processed 00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:13.800 and has been evaluated was not completed. 00:33:13.800 --> 00:33:16.920 And so we still need to bring that back to council. 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:19.320 We're looking at bringing that back in pieces. 00:33:19.320 --> 00:33:20.920 And this is one of the projects 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.840 that is highest of interest of staff, 00:33:23.840 --> 00:33:26.320 simply because we see the improvements 00:33:26.320 --> 00:33:28.200 that have been made south of the courthouse, 00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.480 but it's also very much on our radar. 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:33.040 And the reason why you also see it on this graphic 00:33:33.040 --> 00:33:35.400 and why John's included in the report 00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:37.400 is now we want to come up with the plan. 00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:41.280 And like he mentioned, the new area engineer and his team, 00:33:41.280 --> 00:33:43.000 we are having monthly meetings with, 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:46.160 and sometimes we're even talking weekly or daily 00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.120 on different things that are happening throughout the city, 00:33:48.120 --> 00:33:49.800 but we want to come up with the plan also 00:33:49.800 --> 00:33:53.600 to execute from now the courthouse north to 380 00:33:53.600 --> 00:33:54.920 in a more succinct manner 00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:56.480 that's more of a programmatic matter. 00:33:56.480 --> 00:34:01.080 So I would say that at this point, 00:34:01.080 --> 00:34:03.960 we are looking for measures to make improvements 00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:07.320 to the roadway on that temporary or interim basis 00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:09.840 before that complete project can be reconstructed 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.120 to the standard of which the city would then be interested 00:34:12.120 --> 00:34:13.040 in accepting it. 00:34:14.120 --> 00:34:16.360 - Yeah, I've said what I needed to say about it. 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:17.360 Any other comments? 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:19.200 Okay. - Sorry. 00:34:19.200 --> 00:34:24.400 Fortunately for me, I think I'm done. 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:29.680 Any questions? - Any questions? 00:34:29.680 --> 00:34:33.080 - Got a question. 00:34:33.080 --> 00:34:37.320 Would you please explain this, 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:39.720 still on Elm and Locust phase two, 00:34:39.720 --> 00:34:43.360 it was so much going on with that conversation. 00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:47.240 For this red line, what does this mean to the people? 00:34:47.240 --> 00:34:50.400 - So this was a conversation we had on Friday, 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.680 and I told my staff, hey, we need to get it in the report 00:34:53.680 --> 00:34:55.920 so we can talk about it, throw something in there 00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:57.120 so we can have a conversation. 00:34:57.120 --> 00:35:02.120 So this will be upgraded to a far better graphic and details 00:35:02.120 --> 00:35:03.520 the next time you see it. 00:35:03.520 --> 00:35:06.720 But essentially, the city's doing the work in phases. 00:35:06.720 --> 00:35:09.120 Courthouse south is essentially fixing to be done. 00:35:09.120 --> 00:35:11.760 Courthouse north has some challenges 00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.280 from a financial standpoint that we need to discuss, 00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:18.000 and we're gonna coordinate and memorialize 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.880 with text what Ms. Devaney was saying 00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:23.520 in a more programmatic manner 00:35:23.520 --> 00:35:28.240 so that we do the northern part better than the southern part. 00:35:28.240 --> 00:35:33.120 - And the same thing that's happening in the southern part 00:35:33.120 --> 00:35:35.680 that's going to happen in the northern part, 00:35:35.680 --> 00:35:39.680 but it's gonna be-- - Better, better. 00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:41.920 - Yes, yes, ma'am. 00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:45.920 - Is that, you can't expand that world all the way out. 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.680 - Well, I mean-- - The utilities need to be-- 00:35:49.680 --> 00:35:52.400 - There's not a lot of right of way there. 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:56.920 It's very tight, which is why I think the city 00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:00.040 would be better off having control of it 00:36:00.040 --> 00:36:03.200 because you don't have to follow state standards. 00:36:03.200 --> 00:36:07.080 You just have to follow AASHTO or your own city standards, 00:36:07.080 --> 00:36:12.080 and you can make it more of a origin destination route 00:36:12.080 --> 00:36:14.800 as opposed to a state facility. 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:16.640 - Yeah, and I would just mention 00:36:16.640 --> 00:36:18.400 that the same utility improvements 00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:19.840 that were made south of the courthouse 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:21.360 need to be made north of the courthouse, 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.800 so that's water, wastewater, and drainage infrastructure. 00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:28.560 As Mr. Polster mentioned, there are funding gaps, 00:36:28.560 --> 00:36:32.040 and I know you've seen this in some of our CIP presentations 00:36:32.040 --> 00:36:33.960 where we are looking for drainage funding 00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:35.400 for that portion of the project, 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.320 and we're working with TxDOT on some creative ideas 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:40.520 to help solve some of those issues. 00:36:40.520 --> 00:36:43.580 And then ultimately, that roadway being built 00:36:43.580 --> 00:36:45.480 to the standard of which the city 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:48.520 would then be able to accept it from that standpoint. 00:36:48.520 --> 00:36:51.700 I would like to mention also that it's very interesting, 00:36:51.700 --> 00:36:53.280 and we run into this many times. 00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:57.640 There are six TxDOT roadways throughout the city of Denton 00:36:57.640 --> 00:37:01.680 that are TxDOT responsibility and maintenance, 00:37:01.680 --> 00:37:04.000 and we also have some maintenance agreements 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:05.520 that we're gonna be working through with them 00:37:05.520 --> 00:37:06.860 in the near future. 00:37:06.860 --> 00:37:09.160 They showed us a preview of that last Thursday. 00:37:09.160 --> 00:37:12.360 I say that to tell you that typically on TxDOT roadways, 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.120 utility infrastructure is not allowed 00:37:15.120 --> 00:37:16.720 underneath the main lanes, 00:37:16.720 --> 00:37:18.660 and so that's another very interesting reason 00:37:18.660 --> 00:37:21.100 as to why it would be in the city's best interest 00:37:21.100 --> 00:37:22.500 to take over these roadways 00:37:22.500 --> 00:37:25.940 once the infrastructure is completed and reconstructed 00:37:25.940 --> 00:37:28.560 to the standard of which we would accept. 00:37:28.560 --> 00:37:33.320 And really, that boils into on normal, 00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:34.980 and I say normal in quotes, 00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:38.040 but standard TxDOT projects would be 00:37:38.040 --> 00:37:39.480 that utilities would be located 00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:41.840 either in the utility accommodation zone, 00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:45.080 which typically is the last three to 10 feet 00:37:45.080 --> 00:37:46.640 on the outside of the right away, 00:37:46.640 --> 00:37:49.120 or in a private easement that is purchased 00:37:49.120 --> 00:37:51.800 by the city of Denton for those utility infrastructure. 00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:54.720 So this is a little bit different standard, 00:37:54.720 --> 00:37:56.720 and so I think that's another major reason 00:37:56.720 --> 00:37:59.440 why it's in the city's best interest to look at. 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.440 I'm taking over this from the infrastructure standpoint 00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:05.480 with the needs of the water and wastewater in this area. 00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:07.380 - Closer in and around the courthouse, 00:38:07.380 --> 00:38:12.240 back of curb is sidewalk. 00:38:12.240 --> 00:38:14.520 Back of sidewalk is building all the time, 00:38:14.520 --> 00:38:18.520 so everything has to be under the pavement, 00:38:18.520 --> 00:38:20.400 and that's something that we've had to, 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.240 it's always been a pain whenever we wanna do 00:38:23.240 --> 00:38:26.080 utility improvements on Locust and Elm 00:38:26.080 --> 00:38:28.240 because it's under pavement of a state facility, 00:38:28.240 --> 00:38:30.040 and you gotta take it all the way 00:38:30.040 --> 00:38:31.780 to Austin and back every time. 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:36.480 - I have one last thing I just wanted to mention. 00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:37.880 I know Council Member Byrd, 00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.640 you asked specifically about the red lines. 00:38:40.640 --> 00:38:42.560 Some of that area is very interesting. 00:38:42.560 --> 00:38:46.840 One of the things that we are working on educating residents 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:49.280 about really is that portion of EGLE 00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:51.480 that's on the left graph, 00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.900 that's the very last line that you see 00:38:53.900 --> 00:38:55.800 that's running east-west, 00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:58.400 that portion of EGLE between Elm and Locust 00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:00.400 is actually textile maintained. 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:02.040 So some of those things are things 00:39:02.040 --> 00:39:02.880 that we're working through 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:05.720 because that also is in a similar state of disrepair. 00:39:05.720 --> 00:39:07.840 I know they've done some recent potholes, 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.440 but that's part of the outreach. 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.140 This not only impacts the city infrastructure, 00:39:13.140 --> 00:39:15.760 but then I would say even from winter weather, 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:20.680 who's going to provide the snow and ice maintenance measures, 00:39:20.680 --> 00:39:24.060 whether it's sanding or putting out the chemical 00:39:24.060 --> 00:39:25.360 that they do to help with the ice. 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.260 So these are some things that we see that are on our radar 00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:32.480 that we also are working with the streets department on. 00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:35.020 So I mentioned that just to say that, 00:39:35.020 --> 00:39:37.740 from a resident standpoint, you're driving Donegal, 00:39:37.740 --> 00:39:39.280 you assume it's a city roadway, 00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:42.360 but it's actually maintained by Text-dot in that area. 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:44.720 So those are some of the things that we're working 00:39:44.720 --> 00:39:47.200 to kind of coordinate with Text-dot on it 00:39:47.200 --> 00:39:51.000 and per se clean up to make sure that those roadways 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.960 are built to the city specifications and standards. 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:56.380 - Thank you. - No problem. 00:39:57.600 --> 00:39:59.440 - Do I stop, oh, go ahead. 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:03.300 - Oh, okay, so I shared this thought 00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:06.000 with Ms. Devaney and Ms. Wood in our meeting last week. 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.700 Sorry if this is a harebrained idea, 00:40:09.700 --> 00:40:11.440 but I just want to throw it out there 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:15.460 while the 35 project is in the design phase, 00:40:15.460 --> 00:40:19.480 or before the design phase, whatever it is. 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.160 So I love the overpass, 00:40:22.160 --> 00:40:26.100 the bridge across 35E at North Texas Boulevard. 00:40:26.100 --> 00:40:30.540 I would love to see the other overpasses 00:40:30.540 --> 00:40:35.540 that are being built have a similar kind of design. 00:40:35.540 --> 00:40:39.780 I know that there's one that's gonna go from Windsor. 00:40:39.780 --> 00:40:46.440 And in the interest of improved connectivity, 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:52.320 especially for pedestrians and cyclists, 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:57.200 I would love to see a similar overpass at Scripture and 35. 00:40:57.200 --> 00:41:02.060 - We can look at the approved, 00:41:02.060 --> 00:41:04.920 'cause the environmental schematic's already done, 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:07.280 so we can look to see what's there. 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.200 The North Texas Boulevard and similar, 00:41:10.200 --> 00:41:11.560 as you go down through Lewisville, 00:41:11.560 --> 00:41:14.760 we see those aesthetic improvements. 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.480 There's a certain threshold that Text-dot 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:21.720 will include naturally in a project, 00:41:21.720 --> 00:41:25.080 and we had to, the cities along the corridor 00:41:25.080 --> 00:41:29.440 had to agree to a palette of colors 00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:33.260 and standardized form liners, 00:41:33.260 --> 00:41:37.040 and they could be emphasis areas. 00:41:37.040 --> 00:41:39.920 So you have, Denton has North Texas 00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:42.560 as the green color mixed in. 00:41:42.560 --> 00:41:44.920 Lewisville had the lake with the blue, 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.000 and we had further south, Old Town area, 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:51.400 Carrollton had a kind of a brown type palette, 00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.320 so we have a palette that we're gonna be working 00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:56.180 aesthetically with on this project. 00:41:56.180 --> 00:42:00.000 But then when it comes to like those medallions 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.860 that are at North Texas Boulevard, 00:42:02.860 --> 00:42:08.840 back then, the city staff came to the aesthetic conversation 00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:12.720 a little bit later than Lewisville did. 00:42:12.720 --> 00:42:17.280 Lewisville was early on, so we had to redesign some stuff 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:22.280 for that wall to be wired and structured 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.720 so it can hold that 18-foot medallion. 00:42:25.720 --> 00:42:27.440 - So I guess I should clarify, 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:29.480 the aesthetics are very nice, 00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:34.480 but what I mean is that it's very pedestrian-friendly. 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.680 - Okay, so the bridge deck, again, 00:42:37.680 --> 00:42:39.640 everything that was done to North Texas Boulevard 00:42:39.640 --> 00:42:43.080 was a negotiation between the city staff, 00:42:43.080 --> 00:42:45.920 the city and Text-dot and the county, 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:49.520 and whatever the county could press the state to include 00:42:49.520 --> 00:42:53.200 from an infrastructure standpoint or a structural standpoint, 00:42:53.200 --> 00:42:55.120 we did that from the county standpoint, 00:42:55.120 --> 00:42:58.040 and then the city came in and would partner with 00:42:58.040 --> 00:43:03.040 the color patterns, the separated pedestrian facilities, 00:43:03.040 --> 00:43:06.140 all that was negotiated, and if there was anything 00:43:06.140 --> 00:43:08.640 that had to be above and beyond at the time, 00:43:08.640 --> 00:43:10.420 the city paid for the Delta. 00:43:10.420 --> 00:43:15.120 So we're doing that for all of the other projects 00:43:15.120 --> 00:43:18.040 on the ultimate as well, so I would say you're right. 00:43:18.040 --> 00:43:20.200 It's not a crazy idea. 00:43:20.200 --> 00:43:23.960 Now's the time while we're designing the project 00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:28.380 because we can incorporate fractured fin, if you want. 00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:32.560 We can do certain types of aesthetic form liners 00:43:32.560 --> 00:43:36.560 that you want, and if you want to do specific form liners, 00:43:36.560 --> 00:43:38.940 as long as you keep it to a minimum of, say, 00:43:38.940 --> 00:43:42.760 five or six different form liners for, 00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.280 so Louisville had to pay for half the form liners 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:47.800 for all those fish and boats and whatever 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:49.840 because there was a certain number of form liners 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.380 that the contractor was gonna have to use anyway 00:43:52.380 --> 00:43:55.720 just for the fractured fin format, 00:43:55.720 --> 00:43:58.400 so they work it out on a negotiation, 00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.480 and then they incorporate that into the design 00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:03.320 so the contractor will build it when they're building 00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:07.320 the facility as opposed to after the fact, 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:08.960 which is what the medallions were. 00:44:09.860 --> 00:44:13.400 The up part was negotiated early on, 00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:17.040 but everything, I think the question was asked once before. 00:44:17.040 --> 00:44:19.400 There are places in the interim project now 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.940 where there are sidewalks on 35, 00:44:21.940 --> 00:44:23.440 and there are places where there aren't, 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:25.520 and the answer is the places where they are, 00:44:25.520 --> 00:44:27.200 we've done something to the road. 00:44:27.200 --> 00:44:29.520 Those places where we have it 00:44:29.520 --> 00:44:32.060 because that's a new paradigm didn't. 00:44:32.060 --> 00:44:34.280 What we're doing from the merge north 00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:36.820 is all new construction, and I think, 00:44:38.120 --> 00:44:41.240 I'm remembering, I could have a dream, 00:44:41.240 --> 00:44:45.720 but I think Tech Start's saying right now it stops short, 00:44:45.720 --> 00:44:47.720 just short of North Texas Boulevard, 00:44:47.720 --> 00:44:49.660 that I think the district wants to go ahead 00:44:49.660 --> 00:44:54.660 and extend that 35E leg to pick up North Texas Boulevard, 00:44:54.660 --> 00:44:57.840 to widen that structure, right, 00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:01.080 and we get a second shot at making the bottom 00:45:01.080 --> 00:45:02.280 look as good as the top. 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:07.400 - And I would just mention to Council Member McGuire 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:09.920 and the Parks Department is looking at 00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:14.920 the different aesthetics from medallions, 00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:18.280 different types of forms, 00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:21.160 and so that's something that we're coordinating with Tech Start. 00:45:21.160 --> 00:45:22.660 It's not at the local office, 00:45:22.660 --> 00:45:24.900 it's actually at the Dallas District Office, 00:45:24.900 --> 00:45:27.520 and some of those things they may even be bringing forward 00:45:27.520 --> 00:45:29.360 to the Public Art Committee, 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.460 and so that is a constant conversation. 00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:34.080 I think what I heard you say, 00:45:34.080 --> 00:45:35.680 and I just wanna confirm specifically, 00:45:35.680 --> 00:45:37.520 and I know this was what we talked about in our meeting 00:45:37.520 --> 00:45:41.080 on Friday, is that you're looking at some type of bridge 00:45:41.080 --> 00:45:43.280 or structure that could possibly be constructed 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.440 where Scripture would actually go over 35 00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:49.220 and connect to the west near the Jim Crystal area. 00:45:49.220 --> 00:45:53.660 - Possibly, yes, and I know that there, 00:45:53.660 --> 00:45:56.600 you know, there were some questions 00:45:56.600 --> 00:45:58.920 about whether it would be feasible 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:02.580 to extend Jim Crystal Road to meet Scripture. 00:46:02.580 --> 00:46:04.960 You know, in the absence of that, 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:06.960 if that turns out to not be feasible, 00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:11.960 I would also love to just see Scripture go across, 00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:18.120 have a nice sort of pedestrian-friendly intersection there 00:46:18.120 --> 00:46:24.500 where folks could access the frontage road 00:46:24.500 --> 00:46:27.160 on the west side of 35 as well. 00:46:27.160 --> 00:46:30.920 - So I'm expendable, that's why I'm here, 00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.000 but if there's not a bridge structure 00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:36.400 already included in the project, 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.600 I have to crush your hopes horribly right now 00:46:38.600 --> 00:46:40.000 'cause they won't add it. 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:43.780 It's too far along. 00:46:43.780 --> 00:46:45.160 So I don't know what's in it. 00:46:45.160 --> 00:46:46.740 If there's a structure there, 00:46:46.740 --> 00:46:49.140 we can make it as appealing as you want, 00:46:49.140 --> 00:46:50.720 but if there's not one there now, 00:46:50.720 --> 00:46:52.120 which now I'm starting to remember, 00:46:52.120 --> 00:46:54.920 I don't think there is because we're doing a braided ramp 00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.260 in that location, northbound at least. 00:46:58.260 --> 00:47:02.280 So all these things we're doing on interim improvements there 00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:05.120 all get pulled out because the ultimate has the on-ramp 00:47:05.120 --> 00:47:08.080 and the off-ramp in the exact same location 00:47:08.080 --> 00:47:08.920 and the ultimate, 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:11.880 which is if you go down to Western Center Boulevard, 00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:13.920 down towards Fort Worth on 35W, 00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.960 where you see those big giant exit and entrance 00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:18.920 at the same place, it's called a braided ramp, 00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:22.300 that's what you'll have at least on the northbound side 00:47:22.300 --> 00:47:24.400 of 35 in that area. 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:29.600 - Okay, so the off-ramp is gonna be 00:47:29.600 --> 00:47:33.280 to the south of scripture from 35 North? 00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.940 - The interim or the ultimate, interim or ultimate? 00:47:36.940 --> 00:47:38.800 - Ultimate. 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:39.640 - North. 00:47:39.640 --> 00:47:40.480 - Okay. 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:43.680 - So essentially between scripture and 380, 00:47:43.680 --> 00:47:47.280 almost dead center there is where the braid will be 00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:52.280 so that you'll exit the main lanes and go straight to 380. 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:56.120 And if you're on the frontage road south of there, 00:47:56.120 --> 00:47:58.040 you'll enter the freeway right there. 00:47:58.040 --> 00:47:59.200 And I'm not, I can't remember 00:47:59.200 --> 00:48:01.340 'cause I think we flipped the stack, 00:48:01.340 --> 00:48:03.920 whether the exit is that grade 00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:06.560 or the entrance is that grade. 00:48:06.560 --> 00:48:08.320 It's typically the exits that grade 00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:10.400 because you want those people on the ground 00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:13.280 as quickly as possible so they can turn into the development. 00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:16.320 But I don't know off the top of my head. 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:18.360 - Okay, all right. 00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:20.360 - With all that's on the website, 00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.920 keepitmovingdallas.com, 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.920 you can go look at it or we can go run it to ground for you. 00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:31.560 - Okay, yes, I appreciate you clarifying that. 00:48:31.560 --> 00:48:36.120 I totally understand if a bridge at scripture is, 00:48:36.120 --> 00:48:39.400 if it's too late in the process to add something like that, 00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:41.000 I just thought I'd throw it out. 00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:46.360 - I think there's a really helpful thing to be aware of 00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:49.380 for us that when bridges are planned, 00:48:49.380 --> 00:48:53.460 we can talk about having pedestrian faculties on them. 00:48:53.460 --> 00:48:56.620 If only we had a bike pad ADA coordinator 00:48:56.620 --> 00:48:58.600 to be on the lookout for things like that. 00:48:58.600 --> 00:48:59.440 - That's right. 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:00.920 - Maybe we'll talk about that later in the meeting. 00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:01.760 - Danielle, you still have one of those? 00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:03.520 - Wish they started Monday. 00:49:03.520 --> 00:49:06.480 I think they, our ADA person started on yesterday 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:07.400 for the first time. 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.120 - He's sitting in the front row. 00:49:10.120 --> 00:49:11.020 - Oh, is he? 00:49:11.020 --> 00:49:11.860 There he is. 00:49:11.860 --> 00:49:16.180 I had a question about, 00:49:16.180 --> 00:49:20.840 oh, I'm a pioneer woman, 00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.620 Texas Women's University alum, 00:49:24.620 --> 00:49:28.640 and I seem like Texas Women's University 00:49:28.640 --> 00:49:33.640 should be represented somewhere along the corridor of I-35 00:49:33.640 --> 00:49:39.400 as it is a major employer and user of the city. 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:45.720 Can we speak to those folks or bring that in 00:49:45.720 --> 00:49:47.600 as part of the new process? 00:49:47.600 --> 00:49:52.080 It's front door is on 380. 00:49:52.080 --> 00:49:55.360 - We are actually already in the works with that. 00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:58.240 The Parks Department is already looking at ways 00:49:58.240 --> 00:50:01.840 to incorporate possibly something from TW 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.240 and also something to show when you're coming 00:50:05.240 --> 00:50:08.360 from the Oklahoma area into town 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:09.460 that you're entering Denton. 00:50:09.460 --> 00:50:12.080 So those types of conversations are in the works 00:50:12.080 --> 00:50:14.360 with our Parks Department currently. 00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:15.180 No problem. 00:50:15.180 --> 00:50:20.960 - So unlike I was taught in kindergarten, 00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:22.800 I'm gonna stop sharing, right? 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.680 - So we're good, we're all done? 00:50:27.680 --> 00:50:28.520 Yep. 00:50:28.520 --> 00:50:29.920 Okay, thank you very much. 00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:37.720 Let's move on now to item C, MC21-027. 00:50:37.720 --> 00:50:39.600 I never used to read the numbers, but the mayor does it, 00:50:39.600 --> 00:50:40.920 so I'll do it too. 00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:43.120 Receive a report and hold the discussion 00:50:43.120 --> 00:50:44.640 regarding updates from the Denton County 00:50:44.640 --> 00:50:45.880 Transportation Authority. 00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:49.120 Nicole, hi, Nicole. 00:50:49.120 --> 00:50:49.960 - Good morning. 00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:51.440 - Can everyone hear me okay? 00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.220 - Sorry? 00:50:54.220 --> 00:50:55.480 - Can everyone hear me okay? 00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:56.600 - Oh, yes. 00:50:56.600 --> 00:50:58.000 - Yes. 00:50:58.000 --> 00:50:59.680 Ish? 00:50:59.680 --> 00:51:01.280 - Yeah. 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:03.240 - Okay, well, I'm Nicole Recker. 00:51:03.240 --> 00:51:07.040 I'm the VP of Mobility Services and Administration at DCTA. 00:51:07.040 --> 00:51:09.360 And I also have with me Christina Holcomb, 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:12.160 who is DCTA's Deputy CEO. 00:51:12.160 --> 00:51:16.000 City staff asked that we present about our trip program. 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:19.040 So Christina is gonna cover off on that 00:51:19.040 --> 00:51:20.160 and answer any questions. 00:51:20.160 --> 00:51:23.360 And then I just have just a couple updates to share. 00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:24.800 I will let the committee know 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:29.200 that we do have another pending meeting at 10 a.m. 00:51:29.200 --> 00:51:31.460 that both Christina and I are in. 00:51:31.460 --> 00:51:34.560 And so we will do our best to answer any questions, 00:51:34.560 --> 00:51:37.040 but we might have some scheduling conflicts. 00:51:37.040 --> 00:51:41.640 And so with that, I'll go ahead and share my screen. 00:51:41.640 --> 00:51:44.800 And then Christina can begin. 00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:45.680 - Thank you, Nicole. 00:51:45.680 --> 00:51:46.640 Good morning. 00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:51.280 I wanted to provide a very brief overview 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.760 of the Transportation Reinvestment Program 00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:56.640 per staff's request. 00:51:56.640 --> 00:52:00.800 The TRIP program is a new program to DCTA 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:05.800 and is a new version of a former program 00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:07.960 we used to have, which was called ELAP. 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:10.520 Next slide, please. 00:52:10.520 --> 00:52:14.620 Just to give a brief overview of what TRIP is all about, 00:52:14.620 --> 00:52:19.620 it's really focused on providing funding to the cities 00:52:19.620 --> 00:52:23.920 to implement projects which are consistent 00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:26.980 with the DCTA's long-range service plan. 00:52:26.980 --> 00:52:30.940 We do have a long-range service plan from 2012. 00:52:30.940 --> 00:52:35.940 You can see the key objectives for that plan on the screen. 00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:40.080 So any project that the city might have 00:52:40.080 --> 00:52:41.960 that meets these goals, 00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:46.380 it is something that DCTA may be able to assist with funding. 00:52:46.380 --> 00:52:48.880 Kind of go back a little bit, 00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:52.420 just a very high-level education as just to confirm 00:52:52.420 --> 00:52:55.720 that you are aware that DCTA operates 00:52:55.720 --> 00:52:59.120 off of half-cent sales tax from each of our member cities. 00:52:59.120 --> 00:53:03.840 So city of Denton, we get a half-cent sales tax, 00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:05.960 and that is what is used to operate 00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:10.920 and maintain DCTA assets, fleet, and operations. 00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:14.160 So in a way to partner with our member cities, 00:53:14.160 --> 00:53:18.360 we take a portion of that money 00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.520 and provide that in partnership to the city 00:53:21.520 --> 00:53:23.260 to execute projects that, again, 00:53:23.260 --> 00:53:25.800 might meet these goals and objectives. 00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:27.720 Next page, please. 00:53:27.720 --> 00:53:30.040 So in looking at the funding, 00:53:30.040 --> 00:53:33.960 how it is determined, how much that funding is, 00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:37.960 is the annual TRIP budget is based on 15% 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:42.160 of DCTA's net available cash from the previous fiscal year. 00:53:42.160 --> 00:53:44.800 And I will say, sometimes we think we know 00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:49.800 what the final tax receipts are in a year, 00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:53.560 but then there's always a true up at the end of the year. 00:53:53.560 --> 00:53:56.160 So we have found in this first year 00:53:56.160 --> 00:53:58.320 of having this TRIP program 00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:00.640 that we have had to make some adjustments 00:54:00.640 --> 00:54:04.720 along the way on the total final amount. 00:54:04.720 --> 00:54:07.620 And I'll show you what those numbers look like. 00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:11.720 For this initial year, which was this past year, FY21, 00:54:11.720 --> 00:54:15.200 we did infuse, the board wanted to infuse 00:54:15.200 --> 00:54:20.000 an extra $2 million on top of the 15% net available cash 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:24.500 into this first year of TRIP projects. 00:54:24.500 --> 00:54:28.480 Then we take out 5% of the overall budget 00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:32.280 to allocate towards DCTA's program administration. 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:37.280 So we have had to use one of our on-call engineering firms 00:54:37.560 --> 00:54:41.120 to assist us in administering this program. 00:54:41.120 --> 00:54:43.600 We guessed at 5%, we weren't really sure 00:54:43.600 --> 00:54:45.840 exactly how much we might need 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:49.280 for the administration portion. 00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:54.060 Again, first year, so this policy is expected to be updated 00:54:54.060 --> 00:54:56.320 for the next year. 00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:58.720 So when you look at the different member city allocations, 00:54:58.720 --> 00:54:59.840 we have three member cities, 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:01.880 Denton, Louisville, and Highland Village, 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:06.920 all collect and administer 00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:08.800 different levels of sales tax, right? 00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:12.160 It's all a half cent, but clearly the bigger the city, 00:55:12.160 --> 00:55:15.160 the bigger the sales tax contribution. 00:55:15.160 --> 00:55:18.840 So the formulas on the screen about how we determine 00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:20.400 how much each member city will get 00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:22.220 out of that bucket of dollars. 00:55:22.220 --> 00:55:26.100 Any dollars that are not spent by a city 00:55:26.100 --> 00:55:27.980 at the end of the fiscal year 00:55:27.980 --> 00:55:32.380 may roll over to the next fiscal year for three years. 00:55:32.380 --> 00:55:34.560 So that way, if you have a bigger project 00:55:34.560 --> 00:55:37.320 you know is coming up in FY23, 00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.600 you don't have to spend as much in FY21 and FY22 00:55:40.600 --> 00:55:42.760 because you can roll it over and kind of save up your, 00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.120 make your bank bigger for the FY23 projects 00:55:45.120 --> 00:55:47.020 that you might have slated. 00:55:47.020 --> 00:55:50.480 Again, that last bullet, 00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:53.920 I do anticipate that the board will be amending 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:58.880 the trip policy based on this first year of programming. 00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:00.840 Some of the timing didn't quite work out right, 00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:03.640 so we will work through some of those amendments. 00:56:03.640 --> 00:56:05.240 Next page, please. 00:56:05.240 --> 00:56:07.960 So we do have an annual call for projects. 00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:12.960 So how a city will seek funding from DCTA 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:15.160 is in January, we announced 00:56:15.160 --> 00:56:17.360 that we'll have an annual call for projects. 00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:21.140 We have an application that city staff completes for us. 00:56:21.140 --> 00:56:25.440 Then they submit it within about 90 days. 00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:27.640 Staff reviews that information, 00:56:27.640 --> 00:56:31.000 confirms that all of the requested projects for funding 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:35.240 meet the goals and objectives of the Long Range Service Plan 00:56:35.240 --> 00:56:36.720 that the agency has. 00:56:36.720 --> 00:56:39.480 And then we take those projects to the board. 00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:42.920 So this, we actually just, for this fiscal year, 00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:45.200 the first year of trip, 00:56:45.200 --> 00:56:48.640 we took all of the call for projects that were submitted 00:56:48.640 --> 00:56:51.320 to the board this past month in June. 00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:53.960 And the board reviews those projects 00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:58.700 and then they approve them for project funding. 00:56:58.700 --> 00:57:00.600 And it is a reimbursement basis. 00:57:00.600 --> 00:57:03.920 So the city will basically go through, 00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:05.360 execute their project. 00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:08.760 Our staff and consultants will check in from time to time 00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:12.680 to ensure that all of the processes are being followed 00:57:12.680 --> 00:57:14.280 that are outlined in the policy. 00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:21.400 And then, so in June, the board did approve projects. 00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:22.480 So on the next page, 00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:25.140 let's talk a little bit about eligibility and selection. 00:57:25.140 --> 00:57:27.560 As I mentioned, it must meet Long Range Service goals, 00:57:27.560 --> 00:57:29.180 must be financially sound. 00:57:30.040 --> 00:57:32.920 We do have a policy that your staff should have 00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:35.120 that they can look through 00:57:35.120 --> 00:57:36.720 and probably share a copy of it with you 00:57:36.720 --> 00:57:37.760 to get the nitty-gritty. 00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:38.920 But since we're on a time restriction, 00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.080 I won't go into this in much more detail. 00:57:41.080 --> 00:57:42.480 Next page. 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.180 So let's talk dollars. 00:57:44.180 --> 00:57:48.820 For FY21, the total allocation to the trip program 00:57:48.820 --> 00:57:52.640 for distribution to the three member cities 00:57:52.640 --> 00:57:55.720 was 7.7 million. 00:57:55.720 --> 00:58:00.720 Now, I will say that is more than the 15% budget allocation 00:58:00.720 --> 00:58:05.640 but the net available fund balance 00:58:05.640 --> 00:58:06.920 because this first year, 00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:09.920 the board wanted to infuse that extra $2 million. 00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:12.960 So the total came to 7.7 million. 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:16.120 Denton's portion is 3.4 million. 00:58:16.120 --> 00:58:20.220 When we had the anal proffer projects, 00:58:20.220 --> 00:58:22.440 that number was not that high 00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:23.880 because we had to make some adjustments. 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:27.640 Again, the final sales tax dollars did not come in. 00:58:27.640 --> 00:58:31.840 So the total amount ended up being 3.4. 00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:34.680 Now that we've already completed the anal proffer projects, 00:58:34.680 --> 00:58:38.280 the city of Denton does have an extra $900,000, 00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:41.820 so almost a million dollars to use this year 00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:44.480 if there are additional projects that the city has 00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:46.760 that meet those goals and objectives. 00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:48.060 So kind of next steps, 00:58:48.060 --> 00:58:51.960 those will roll over into the next fiscal year 00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:56.440 and be added to the ones that will be added 00:58:56.440 --> 00:58:58.100 for the FY22 budget. 00:58:58.100 --> 00:59:01.080 To give you an idea of what we're looking at for FY22, 00:59:01.080 --> 00:59:02.560 again, just an estimate 00:59:02.560 --> 00:59:05.080 'cause we are currently in the budgeting process 00:59:05.080 --> 00:59:08.840 but the proposed budget that will be presented to the board 00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:13.760 does include 7.1 million for trip projects 00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:15.600 for the three member cities. 00:59:15.600 --> 00:59:19.960 So very similar to what you received in FY21, 00:59:22.520 --> 00:59:24.880 a little bit less, but then you also have this extra 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:28.040 almost a million dollars to add to your pot for FY22. 00:59:28.040 --> 00:59:31.120 I said that really quick. 00:59:31.120 --> 00:59:32.560 I'm sure there are questions. 00:59:32.560 --> 00:59:34.480 I can maybe answer a couple 00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:38.080 or if you want to email those to me, maybe we can respond. 00:59:38.080 --> 00:59:40.640 That way it gives Nicole the opportunity 00:59:40.640 --> 00:59:43.560 to answer your questions regarding the GoZone service 00:59:43.560 --> 00:59:45.920 or whatever questions you have for her 00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:48.400 before we have to jump off in less than 60 seconds. 00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:50.800 - You're right on 10 o'clock. 00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:51.920 Anything real quick? 00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:54.460 - And this is the list of projects 00:59:54.460 --> 00:59:58.200 that your staff did submit to DCTA 00:59:58.200 --> 00:59:59.960 and these are the ones that were funded 00:59:59.960 --> 01:00:01.920 and the amount that they requested 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:03.560 for those particular projects are listed. 01:00:03.560 --> 01:00:05.800 So it really is a great partnership. 01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:10.800 Clearly crosswalks and sidewalks benefit transit travel 01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:13.360 and then the bike path. 01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.040 So these were excellent projects 01:00:15.040 --> 01:00:17.600 and very well aligned with our longway service plan. 01:00:19.640 --> 01:00:21.560 - This isn't a question, but I would just like 01:00:21.560 --> 01:00:24.640 to thank Nicole for her service to DCTA 01:00:24.640 --> 01:00:25.680 these last few years. 01:00:25.680 --> 01:00:29.640 I know that she's moving on to other opportunities 01:00:29.640 --> 01:00:33.000 and Nicole, I just want to wish you the best of luck. 01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:34.560 - I didn't catch that. 01:00:34.560 --> 01:00:36.000 Nicole's-- - Thank you. 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.880 That's actually one of my announcements today. 01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:40.360 - Oh, wow, I don't know how-- 01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:41.200 - Sorry to steal your thunder. 01:00:41.200 --> 01:00:43.360 - Councilmember McGuire has the secret source of news. 01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:44.560 - Yeah, I know. 01:00:44.560 --> 01:00:48.120 - Wow, yeah, let me add my good wishes to you. 01:00:48.120 --> 01:00:50.520 - Same here, Nicole, thank you. 01:00:50.520 --> 01:00:54.560 - Just quickly on this, on the trip projects, 01:00:54.560 --> 01:00:58.480 just not generally, even if you have to drop off, 01:00:58.480 --> 01:00:59.720 I'm kind of more speaking to any 01:00:59.720 --> 01:01:01.480 of the general public listening. 01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:04.840 Unlike most things we do, DCTA is not funded 01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:07.360 based on figuring out what the needs are 01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:10.000 and then developing a budget and funding that. 01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:14.360 It's funded based on just what the sales tax revenue is. 01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:17.960 So whether the ridership is going up or going down, 01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:21.520 it's just, it's not responsive to that. 01:01:21.520 --> 01:01:26.520 So the fact that this program helps bring some of that money 01:01:26.520 --> 01:01:30.200 that isn't going into literally mass transit, 01:01:30.200 --> 01:01:34.080 back into the community in a related way, 01:01:34.080 --> 01:01:36.560 I think is very smart and much appreciated. 01:01:36.560 --> 01:01:40.440 - Well, and I would say that if you have any questions 01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:43.040 about the trip program, like Christina mentioned, 01:01:43.040 --> 01:01:44.760 feel free to email those over to me. 01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:46.600 We can make sure that we get those answered 01:01:46.600 --> 01:01:51.600 and submitted back to the committee. 01:01:51.600 --> 01:01:52.960 I know Christina has to jump off. 01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.640 I'll show up fashionably late to the meeting, Christina. 01:01:55.640 --> 01:01:57.960 - I'll cover for you while you're gone. 01:01:57.960 --> 01:01:59.400 - Thank you all. 01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:03.200 I did want to update the committee just on some progress 01:02:03.200 --> 01:02:07.520 on the GoZone proposal that is going 01:02:07.520 --> 01:02:11.120 to the DCTA board tomorrow. 01:02:11.120 --> 01:02:13.280 - We were talking about that just recently. 01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:16.320 We were talking about that just recently. 01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:17.520 - You might've heard. 01:02:17.520 --> 01:02:20.800 - I've slept since then, yes. 01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:23.920 Yeah, so we are expecting the resolution 01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:26.360 from the city of Denton and we will forward that 01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:30.440 to our board of directors prior to tomorrow's meeting. 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:34.920 But the board will be considering approval 01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:38.280 on a variety of items related to GoZone. 01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:43.000 So I'm sure that we will submit a written update 01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:46.600 to city staff after the Thursday meeting 01:02:46.600 --> 01:02:49.960 just to kind of keep everyone on the same page. 01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:53.800 And so just thank you again for your continued conversation 01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:56.680 about GoZone and your feedback. 01:02:56.680 --> 01:02:58.680 I know I speak on behalf of staff. 01:02:58.680 --> 01:03:01.600 We have found it extremely helpful to have, you know, 01:03:01.600 --> 01:03:04.720 kind of a vibrant conversation about some of these changes 01:03:04.720 --> 01:03:08.200 for the community and we'll certainly be in touch 01:03:08.200 --> 01:03:11.600 after our board has some lengthy discussion 01:03:11.600 --> 01:03:15.320 and makes a decision about next steps regarding 01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:17.360 any sort of service modification. 01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:21.160 And then I did just wanna let the committee know 01:03:21.160 --> 01:03:24.920 that my last day at DCTA will be August 4th. 01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:29.920 I have served a very happy seven years at DCTA 01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:32.720 and although I am sad to leave, 01:03:32.720 --> 01:03:35.720 I am sure that DCTA has such amazing things ahead of it. 01:03:35.720 --> 01:03:38.280 And I just wanted to thank the committee 01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:43.040 for providing DCTA with a platform to talk about, you know, 01:03:43.040 --> 01:03:46.440 our services and our programs and our projects 01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:48.520 during my tenure here at DCTA. 01:03:48.520 --> 01:03:51.200 And I will certainly make sure that, you know, 01:03:51.200 --> 01:03:53.320 you have a representative who will still come 01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:55.200 and attend monthly. 01:03:55.200 --> 01:03:58.640 So hopefully you will not go without any representation, 01:03:58.640 --> 01:04:00.880 but I just wanted to personally thank each one of you 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:05.680 for being invested in transportation for the city of Denton 01:04:05.680 --> 01:04:07.200 and providing your feedback. 01:04:07.200 --> 01:04:10.640 I have found it extremely educational 01:04:10.640 --> 01:04:14.720 and I've really enjoyed my time working with this committee. 01:04:14.720 --> 01:04:17.840 - Well, you have been just a crackerjack representative 01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:21.680 for DCTA to us and I really appreciate your preparation 01:04:21.680 --> 01:04:26.680 and your clarity and you're leaving big shoes to fill. 01:04:26.680 --> 01:04:32.720 And you can only do well in what you do next, 01:04:32.720 --> 01:04:34.480 I fully expect. 01:04:36.680 --> 01:04:41.680 I have just related back to GoZone. 01:04:41.680 --> 01:04:45.520 I'll just, if I may, I want to underscore some things 01:04:45.520 --> 01:04:48.520 that might not be obvious from just the headline 01:04:48.520 --> 01:04:53.080 that if you take into account the full conversation 01:04:53.080 --> 01:04:56.560 and the full proceedings that actually all seven members 01:04:56.560 --> 01:04:59.960 of council voted in some form or another 01:04:59.960 --> 01:05:04.960 for an extended parallel test to optimize the mix. 01:05:05.640 --> 01:05:10.640 All seven members voted at one point or another 01:05:10.640 --> 01:05:14.400 for consideration of elimination affairs 01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:16.760 and evaluation of that opportunity. 01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:20.200 All seven members voted at one point or another 01:05:20.200 --> 01:05:22.720 for consideration of right sizing the fleet 01:05:22.720 --> 01:05:27.720 in terms of the vehicles themselves on the fixed routes 01:05:27.720 --> 01:05:33.240 and a super majority did vote for some form 01:05:33.240 --> 01:05:36.240 of keeping the workforce whole. 01:05:36.240 --> 01:05:41.680 So I hope that helps the discussion, 01:05:41.680 --> 01:05:44.680 knowing kind of what council has expressed. 01:05:44.680 --> 01:05:46.640 Other comments? 01:05:46.640 --> 01:05:49.240 We're good? 01:05:49.240 --> 01:05:52.160 Okay, thank you. 01:05:52.160 --> 01:05:53.000 - Oh, I do have a question. 01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:54.080 - Thank you. - Please. 01:05:54.080 --> 01:05:55.240 - All right, I do. 01:05:55.240 --> 01:05:58.960 - I do have a question. 01:05:59.920 --> 01:06:03.760 She mentioned something about the funds being rolled over 01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:06.760 into the next year for three years. 01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:07.600 - Yes. 01:06:07.600 --> 01:06:09.280 - And what my question in my head was, 01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:12.600 well, what would make a city not use the funds 01:06:12.600 --> 01:06:13.960 for three years? 01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:18.320 What kind of circumstance would an area have to be under 01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:21.400 to not to take advantage of using those funds? 01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:24.520 And then what happens to those funds after three years? 01:06:24.520 --> 01:06:28.040 Are they dispersed to other cities to use? 01:06:28.040 --> 01:06:29.440 Tell me a little bit about that. 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:30.520 - Sure. 01:06:30.520 --> 01:06:33.440 So the purpose, and there's really two main purposes 01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:36.320 in allowing the funds to roll over. 01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:39.640 So the first purpose would be much like Christina showed 01:06:39.640 --> 01:06:44.040 on that slide, that the city submits a number of projects, 01:06:44.040 --> 01:06:47.960 they're approved, but they don't spend the total allocation 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:48.800 for the year. 01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:50.320 And so you have a bit of a fund balance 01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:52.040 that then you can roll. 01:06:52.040 --> 01:06:55.440 The second purpose would be that if the city had the intent 01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:58.920 of submitting a project that required more funding 01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:02.040 and was available for one singular fiscal year, 01:07:02.040 --> 01:07:05.720 and they decided to roll a portion or that entire funding 01:07:05.720 --> 01:07:10.000 over to the following year to basically combine annual funds 01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:12.520 so that they would have enough money for the project. 01:07:12.520 --> 01:07:14.360 So it provides the city with just a little bit 01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:18.680 more flexibility as to how they want to submit for projects. 01:07:18.680 --> 01:07:21.680 They can do many low dollar projects, 01:07:21.680 --> 01:07:24.320 or they could do something that's much larger 01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:25.480 and requires more funding. 01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:28.200 And it just gives the city flexibility to use that funding 01:07:28.200 --> 01:07:29.640 based on their needs. 01:07:29.640 --> 01:07:33.040 After the three-year period of time, 01:07:33.040 --> 01:07:35.280 the fund balance then just rolls back down 01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:36.520 to our cash bottom line. 01:07:36.520 --> 01:07:40.160 And so it would be represented in the following fiscal year, 01:07:40.160 --> 01:07:44.520 that 15% of overall cash balance at the end 01:07:44.520 --> 01:07:47.400 of the fiscal year, it would be represented there. 01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:50.000 And so it's highly possible that the city would just get 01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:52.560 a slightly increased portion because that balance 01:07:52.560 --> 01:07:54.280 has rolled down to the cash. 01:07:58.200 --> 01:08:03.200 - What, when does, tell me again, 01:08:03.200 --> 01:08:08.640 when are these decisions made as to how to use those funds? 01:08:08.640 --> 01:08:11.360 When does that come up? 01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:14.720 - So we do an annual call for projects. 01:08:14.720 --> 01:08:18.360 This year, the annual call for projects was in April, 01:08:18.360 --> 01:08:20.560 and then reviewed by our board in May, 01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:22.560 and then approved in June. 01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:24.600 So there's an annual call for projects, 01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:26.920 and then we work with city staff to let them know 01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:30.000 that timing, and then city staff has their own internal 01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:33.280 process for determining what projects are submitted. 01:08:33.280 --> 01:08:39.720 - And if I may, Mr. Chair, we will certainly make 01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:43.080 a commitment to not run into the issue of leaving funds 01:08:43.080 --> 01:08:46.440 available for other cities to potentially be able 01:08:46.440 --> 01:08:48.280 to avail themselves to. 01:08:48.280 --> 01:08:50.920 So we will be bringing back very soon a plan 01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:53.400 for that additional roughly $900,000. 01:08:53.400 --> 01:08:56.280 That was great news for us whenever we found it out. 01:08:56.280 --> 01:08:59.040 We've actually got a couple of projects that, 01:08:59.040 --> 01:09:01.200 the numbers actually work out really well, 01:09:01.200 --> 01:09:02.960 projects that we've already submitted 01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:05.240 for the first round of trip to fund the design. 01:09:05.240 --> 01:09:06.960 It will help bridge the gap that we needed 01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:08.960 for construction dollars as well. 01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:10.200 So we'll be bringing that back 01:09:10.200 --> 01:09:12.400 at a future mobility committee meeting, 01:09:12.400 --> 01:09:15.200 and then we're strategizing right now, 01:09:15.200 --> 01:09:17.080 and we're delighted to have our new 01:09:17.080 --> 01:09:19.880 senior transportation planner on board. 01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:23.080 But what does that process for vetting potential projects 01:09:23.080 --> 01:09:26.040 for the 2022 cycle look like? 01:09:26.040 --> 01:09:27.480 - I'll just let you know right now, 01:09:27.480 --> 01:09:29.960 what we're looking at primarily focusing in on 01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:32.640 is the gap sidewalks in front of schools. 01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:34.720 And so this is gonna be a great way to augment 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:36.760 that $12 million that we had approved 01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:38.960 as part of the 2019 bond, 01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:41.480 to fully fund those Safe Routes to School projects, 01:09:41.480 --> 01:09:43.080 where unfortunately we haven't gotten 01:09:43.080 --> 01:09:44.960 some of the text dot dollars that we've gotten 01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:46.600 in the past to fund that program. 01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:48.360 So we will be coming back to you 01:09:48.360 --> 01:09:50.240 within the next couple of months, 01:09:50.240 --> 01:09:51.600 talking about our strategy, 01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:54.160 talking about the vetting process for potential projects. 01:09:54.160 --> 01:09:56.440 And we do plan on having our application 01:09:56.440 --> 01:09:57.880 ready to go in January, 01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:00.320 which is the same timing that we had last year. 01:10:00.320 --> 01:10:02.440 City Council, once we've got the list 01:10:02.440 --> 01:10:04.880 vetted through this committee and Traffic Safety Commission, 01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:07.160 then City Council will adopt a resolution 01:10:07.160 --> 01:10:08.880 endorsing the application. 01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:12.200 And so we wanna make sure as soon as April comes, 01:10:12.200 --> 01:10:13.800 we've got that resolution approved, 01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:16.720 and we're ready to submit our application to DCTA. 01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:21.160 - Great, thank you. 01:10:21.160 --> 01:10:21.980 Anything else? 01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:25.200 You look like you have something you wanna say, no? 01:10:25.200 --> 01:10:26.160 - That's just my face. 01:10:26.160 --> 01:10:27.000 - Okay. 01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:31.760 - That's perfectly acceptable face. 01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:33.200 So, okay. 01:10:33.200 --> 01:10:35.360 Thank you so much, Nicole. 01:10:35.360 --> 01:10:36.200 We'll miss you. 01:10:36.200 --> 01:10:38.160 - Thank you. 01:10:38.160 --> 01:10:42.280 - Moving on. 01:10:42.280 --> 01:10:48.480 Let's open item D, MC21-028. 01:10:48.480 --> 01:10:50.200 Receive a report and hold the discussion 01:10:50.200 --> 01:10:52.480 regarding the City of Denton's proposed expenditure funds 01:10:52.480 --> 01:10:56.280 in the amount of $70,553 01:10:56.280 --> 01:10:59.720 to TxDOT's Highway Improvement Safety Program. 01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:22.280 - Good morning, everyone. 01:11:22.280 --> 01:11:24.120 I'm Chandra with Traffic Engineering. 01:11:24.120 --> 01:11:27.400 I'm here to provide an overview of HSIP program, 01:11:27.400 --> 01:11:28.920 which is short and form 01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:30.840 for Highway Safety Improvement Program. 01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:39.840 HSIP is an annual textile program 01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:42.680 to improve safety of intersections or corridors 01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:45.280 along roadways in the City of Denton 01:11:45.280 --> 01:11:49.600 or statewide highways in Texas. 01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:52.360 The project selection criteria is based on 01:11:52.360 --> 01:11:57.220 mostly the fatal or serious injuries in highways. 01:11:57.220 --> 01:12:02.840 There are two categories on projects awarded 01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:05.400 is based on on-system and off-system. 01:12:05.400 --> 01:12:08.040 On-system are the TxDOT roadways 01:12:08.040 --> 01:12:12.840 that has owned or maintained by city 01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:14.560 and county-owned roadways. 01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:16.880 In case of on-system roadways, 01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:19.600 TxDOT pays for 100% of the construction cost 01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:23.840 and city is up for design, review fees, 01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:27.240 and any additional overages at the time of construction. 01:12:27.240 --> 01:12:30.440 Off-system projects are slightly different 01:12:30.440 --> 01:12:32.520 in the way of the dollar amount. 01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:34.960 TxDOT pays for 90% of the construction 01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:38.880 and city pays for 10% matching funds for construction, 01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:41.000 as well as design, overages, 01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:46.000 and any review fees from TxDOT. 01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:50.360 In this project, we have three locations. 01:12:50.360 --> 01:12:54.120 One is, as you see on the map, 01:12:54.120 --> 01:12:57.160 the north arrow is to the left, 01:12:57.160 --> 01:13:02.160 Kingsrow at Loop 288, Loop 288 at 380 interchange, 01:13:02.160 --> 01:13:06.560 and McKinney at Loop 288. 01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:09.320 This project was submitted back in 2018 01:13:09.320 --> 01:13:14.000 with an estimate funds for improving the signal heads 01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:15.880 that was 20 years or older. 01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:19.720 For pedestrian access, 01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:22.120 putting in all the new controller cabinets, 01:13:22.120 --> 01:13:25.200 battery backups, adding signage, 01:13:25.200 --> 01:13:29.360 and also increasing intersection stripings. 01:13:29.360 --> 01:13:35.160 The location at Loop 288 in Kingsrow 01:13:35.160 --> 01:13:38.160 is to modernize mainly the traffic signal. 01:13:38.160 --> 01:13:42.560 Permanent fixtures, right now it's on a mast arm, 01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:45.160 so they will change it out to put in 01:13:45.160 --> 01:13:50.160 from the span wire to mast arm with luminaries, 01:13:50.160 --> 01:13:54.360 also controller cabinet and communication equipment 01:13:54.360 --> 01:13:57.600 with the latest technologies to optimize efficiency 01:13:57.600 --> 01:13:59.160 and safety at the intersection. 01:13:59.160 --> 01:14:02.240 This will also improve pedestrian crossings, 01:14:02.240 --> 01:14:04.360 which is not available right now, 01:14:04.360 --> 01:14:08.840 and they will deploy radar and all the grid smarts cameras 01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:13.840 to monitor activities so we can improve functions remotely. 01:14:16.160 --> 01:14:19.680 Similarly, at Loop 288 at 380, 01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:22.680 the intersection and the controllers were pretty old, 01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:27.240 so they are upgrading all the communication equipments, 01:14:27.240 --> 01:14:30.560 changing the lightings to LEDs, 01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:33.720 and also the latest cameras that we can control remotely. 01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:37.880 At Loop 288 at McKinney, it's similar, 01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:39.880 we are upgrading all the controllers 01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:41.560 and detection equipments 01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:44.320 so we can optimize and monitor remotely. 01:14:46.040 --> 01:14:50.000 At the time back, the previous staff 01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:54.400 submitted the initial estimate based on 2018 dollars. 01:14:54.400 --> 01:14:56.920 It was costing a little more than, 01:14:56.920 --> 01:15:00.760 a little less than 700,000 01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:04.840 based on TechStat's 100% construction cost. 01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:08.920 Citi was up for a little less than $30,000 01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:11.000 for TechStat plan reviews, 01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:14.760 and in the process between 2018 and '19, 01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:17.600 we hired Lee Engineering as a designer 01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:19.160 for the three intersections 01:15:19.160 --> 01:15:22.960 at a cost of $88,250 for design, 01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:27.560 and when we completed the design 01:15:27.560 --> 01:15:29.640 and submitted for TechStat for bidding, 01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:31.920 the actual bid results came out to be 01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:37.360 around approximately $768,000, 01:15:37.360 --> 01:15:41.200 and since Citi will have to match any overage costs 01:15:41.200 --> 01:15:45.240 from the initial estimate in 2018 to 2021, 01:15:45.240 --> 01:15:47.840 we are on the hook for $70,000. 01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:49.480 When we submitted the project, 01:15:49.480 --> 01:15:53.800 we were on hook for 17% of the total cost 01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:55.600 of the entire project, 01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:58.680 and with the additional overage of $70,000, 01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:04.880 it's mainly, we are on right now at 25%, 01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:07.680 we're still getting one to three dollars. 01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:10.560 For one Citi dollar, we are getting three TechStat dollars 01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:12.800 spent on the Citi Road base, 01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:17.000 and the additional $70,000 is mainly accounted for 01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:21.320 in the inflation as well as the project scope. 01:16:21.320 --> 01:16:25.920 Right now at King's Row at 288, 01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:30.040 there is no pedestrian crossing across the loop, 01:16:30.040 --> 01:16:32.920 so with this project, they will be adding crosswalks, 01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:34.680 and also with the new equipments, 01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:38.440 they will be able to control the intersection efficiently 01:16:38.440 --> 01:16:42.840 that will enable the delays on King's Road to be optimized, 01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:44.480 and we can minimize the delays. 01:16:44.480 --> 01:16:46.640 Also, at the same time, provide safe crossing 01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:50.080 for pedestrians on either side of loop 288. 01:16:50.080 --> 01:16:56.440 With this project, we're still getting good bucks 01:16:56.440 --> 01:16:58.120 spent on Citi dollars, 01:16:58.120 --> 01:17:00.360 even with spending the additional $70,000 01:17:00.360 --> 01:17:04.320 that came out of the bid results in May of 2021. 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:08.680 With that, if you have any questions. 01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:11.600 - Councilmember McGuire, 01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:12.840 you look like you have something to say. 01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:13.920 - Oh, sorry, what? 01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:15.360 - I said, you look like you have something to say. 01:17:15.360 --> 01:17:17.520 - I do have something to say. 01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:20.400 So you sort of alluded to this in your mention 01:17:20.400 --> 01:17:24.560 of the traffic congestion at King's Row and 288. 01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:31.240 Did you see the video that a citizen showed last night 01:17:34.080 --> 01:17:36.240 at the council meeting of that intersection? 01:17:36.240 --> 01:17:39.120 Okay, just want to make sure that you were aware 01:17:39.120 --> 01:17:41.960 of that footage and sort of taking 01:17:41.960 --> 01:17:43.600 that particular issue into account. 01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:44.960 It sounds like you are, but. 01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:45.800 - Yes. 01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:53.040 - Councilmember Byrd. 01:17:53.040 --> 01:17:58.280 - Yes, I have a question about the loop 288 01:17:58.280 --> 01:18:02.360 in King's Row area. 01:18:02.360 --> 01:18:06.800 Am I, let me see, let me phrase this 01:18:06.800 --> 01:18:11.280 because what I have in my head is, what is a mast arm? 01:18:11.280 --> 01:18:17.000 - It's the signal indication that's on a cantilever arm, 01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:18.240 the permanent structures. 01:18:18.240 --> 01:18:19.080 - Just kind of leaning over like that? 01:18:19.080 --> 01:18:19.920 - Yes. 01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:20.740 - That's a mast arm? 01:18:20.740 --> 01:18:21.580 - Yes. 01:18:21.580 --> 01:18:22.900 - Versus the little line that goes across with the? 01:18:22.900 --> 01:18:26.560 - Yes, it's on a wire, currently it's on span wire, 01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.120 so if there is a wind or any hail 01:18:29.120 --> 01:18:31.440 or any kind of environmental forces, 01:18:31.440 --> 01:18:35.160 those kind of like literally move, 01:18:35.160 --> 01:18:37.800 but with mast arms, it's literally, 01:18:37.800 --> 01:18:41.460 you can see in one place. 01:18:41.460 --> 01:18:47.240 - You know, 288 is a very fast-- 01:18:47.240 --> 01:18:48.560 - That's right. 01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:52.760 - Roadway, and in my mind right now, 01:18:52.760 --> 01:18:56.080 I just can't imagine having a crosswalk, 01:18:56.080 --> 01:18:58.720 you know, across that roadway. 01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:03.600 I've seen people run the light there on that roadway, 01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:07.720 and maybe you don't have anything to do with this part, 01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:09.520 this may have been for the question 01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:13.240 for the other gentlemen about an additional, 01:19:13.240 --> 01:19:17.120 I guess they're gonna be widening that roadway, 01:19:17.120 --> 01:19:19.360 they're gonna be doing something there, 01:19:19.360 --> 01:19:23.800 where those cars, to which you alluded to, 01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:26.560 can, they run out into the roadway, 01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:30.360 I mean, they run out into literally on 288 01:19:30.360 --> 01:19:32.640 to wait their turn. - Currently, 01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:35.480 currently they are all backed up with the delays, 01:19:35.480 --> 01:19:40.000 because one is the capacity issue on 288, 01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:44.000 and the school traffic that we are aware of from 2019 01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:46.720 that it's backing up onto the freeway. 01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:50.120 With this project, we could add more timings 01:19:50.120 --> 01:19:52.820 to the cross street, which is Kingsrow in this case, 01:19:52.820 --> 01:19:56.640 and Loop 280, as you all know, it's a non-system facility, 01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:59.800 and Techstart have plans to improve as well, 01:19:59.800 --> 01:20:03.600 and they recently added medians along 288, 01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:05.000 so that will give some protection 01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:08.080 for pedestrian crossings in the future. 01:20:08.080 --> 01:20:12.760 And with this improvements, the signal optimization 01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:15.760 and the error in functioning can be controlled. 01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:18.280 At the same time, the indications would be slightly bigger 01:20:18.280 --> 01:20:20.040 than what it is right now in field. 01:20:22.400 --> 01:20:27.400 - So with that being said, and the timing, 01:20:27.400 --> 01:20:33.320 is that gonna change throughout the year, 01:20:33.320 --> 01:20:36.920 based on when the school session is in? 01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:40.720 - Yes, we have the flexibility with this, 01:20:40.720 --> 01:20:43.560 we can have multiple patterns within a day, 01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:45.400 and we can have it for school time, 01:20:45.400 --> 01:20:46.800 we can have it for weekends, 01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:50.220 we can even have it for morning and evening, 01:20:50.220 --> 01:20:52.640 so we have a lot more flexibility to adjust. 01:20:52.640 --> 01:21:04.640 - Thank you, while we're on the subject of Kingsrow, 01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:11.800 do you think that the signal timing is enough, 01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:17.240 does that represent a kind of a comprehensive solution 01:21:17.240 --> 01:21:19.600 to what we've been hearing from the public 01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:24.600 about that intersection, or is there more to it 01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:28.920 to address the concerns, the backups at Hodge? 01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:36.360 - Mayor Pritam, Chair, I believe that the signal project 01:21:36.360 --> 01:21:39.760 is going to improve, as Chandra mentioned, 01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:41.560 the timing in this area. 01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:45.160 I would say specifically related to that development, 01:21:45.160 --> 01:21:47.760 that's not on the posting for the agenda today, 01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:51.040 so we would have to discuss that at a later time. 01:21:51.040 --> 01:21:54.760 But we do know that the signal timing in that area 01:21:54.760 --> 01:21:57.440 is going to be improved by this project. 01:21:57.440 --> 01:22:02.440 We also know that, as Council Member McGuire alluded to, 01:22:02.440 --> 01:22:05.140 there are concerns in this area, 01:22:05.140 --> 01:22:08.040 so we know this project will help improve in that area. 01:22:08.040 --> 01:22:12.680 I would also mention that staff is evaluating 01:22:12.680 --> 01:22:14.740 these improvements that are going to be made, 01:22:14.740 --> 01:22:18.680 and also evaluating the timing of the signal in this area. 01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:20.840 We are also looking into, 01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:24.000 from the timing perspective and the school district, 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:28.060 we understand that many individuals in this area 01:22:28.060 --> 01:22:29.980 were actually driving their children to school, 01:22:29.980 --> 01:22:33.180 versus having them ride the school bus due to COVID, 01:22:33.180 --> 01:22:35.600 and so we are evaluating that, 01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:37.560 and seeing if that does need, 01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:39.080 additional improvements need to be made 01:22:39.080 --> 01:22:40.240 from a timing perspective. 01:22:40.240 --> 01:22:42.520 So this is specifically a project 01:22:42.520 --> 01:22:44.800 that's already been planned, regardless of anything else 01:22:44.800 --> 01:22:46.240 that's going on in the area. 01:22:46.240 --> 01:22:51.160 - I'll sneak it in under E5 anyway, so that's all right. 01:22:51.160 --> 01:22:55.440 I did specifically mention the signaling in my comments, 01:22:55.440 --> 01:22:58.720 but I take your stern correction there. 01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:05.200 - I also want to mention that this is proposed 01:23:05.200 --> 01:23:07.660 to go to Council on August 10th, 01:23:07.660 --> 01:23:10.460 for adoption and approval through the City Council. 01:23:10.460 --> 01:23:14.680 So this is something that TxDOT is very interested in us 01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:15.840 moving through the process, 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:18.880 as the way that they actually bid these projects, 01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:20.640 it's not just the City of Denton, 01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:22.200 it's also the City of McKinney. 01:23:22.200 --> 01:23:24.440 So they're very interested in getting this completed 01:23:24.440 --> 01:23:26.320 so that they can have the contractor go out 01:23:26.320 --> 01:23:28.440 and do the improvements to these signals 01:23:28.440 --> 01:23:29.800 for these multiple cities. 01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:33.520 - I think it's great, thank you so much. 01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:35.240 Have you presented to us before? 01:23:35.240 --> 01:23:36.560 - No, this is my first presentation. 01:23:36.560 --> 01:23:38.200 - I thought so, congratulations. 01:23:38.200 --> 01:23:39.660 - Thank you, thank you. 01:23:41.460 --> 01:23:43.000 - Are we good? 01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:43.840 - Yeah, we're good. 01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:44.660 - Yeah, okay. 01:23:44.660 --> 01:23:45.500 (laughing) 01:23:45.500 --> 01:23:47.280 - Yes, you had to look like, 01:23:47.280 --> 01:23:48.480 there was a thing I wanted to say 01:23:48.480 --> 01:23:49.960 and you neglected to ask me. 01:23:49.960 --> 01:23:52.100 (laughing) 01:23:52.100 --> 01:23:53.800 - I just finished my talk, you heard me. 01:23:53.800 --> 01:23:55.920 - Yeah, wow, I want some of that. 01:23:55.920 --> 01:24:01.920 Okay, so moving on to item E, MC21-029 staff report. 01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:07.040 - Wonderful, well thank you so much. 01:24:07.040 --> 01:24:09.380 I know all of you know me, but I am Becky Devaney, 01:24:09.380 --> 01:24:11.720 the City Engineer and Director of Capital Projects 01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:14.280 and I have an exciting announcement. 01:24:14.280 --> 01:24:16.400 I know this is a much awaited position. 01:24:16.400 --> 01:24:19.320 And so the first item on our agenda today 01:24:19.320 --> 01:24:22.340 is for Mr. Nathan George to come up to the podium. 01:24:22.340 --> 01:24:24.040 (applauding) 01:24:24.040 --> 01:24:25.720 And introduce himself. 01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:30.520 Nathan is going to explain to you some of his education, 01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:32.960 experience, technical background. 01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:35.120 Nathan started with us on Monday 01:24:35.120 --> 01:24:37.000 and he is our new Senior Planner, 01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:39.840 Bicycle Pedestrian and ADA Coordinator. 01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:41.920 And so I'm gonna turn this over to Nathan 01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:44.620 so he can visit with you briefly. 01:24:44.620 --> 01:24:46.960 And I know there's gonna be much more opportunity 01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:49.240 for us to have other conversations. 01:24:49.240 --> 01:24:53.760 And so he is at the point, I guess it's been three days, 01:24:53.760 --> 01:24:55.540 so I would say he probably could mention to you 01:24:55.540 --> 01:24:57.400 that he is drinking from a fire hose, 01:24:57.400 --> 01:24:59.520 as they say from this point. 01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:01.560 But he's ready to go and already tackled 01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:04.760 a few things for us and been in the field. 01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:07.160 So we're very delighted to have him 01:25:07.160 --> 01:25:08.880 and I'm gonna turn it over to Nathan. 01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:11.400 - All right, so my name is Nathan George. 01:25:11.400 --> 01:25:13.160 I'm very happy to be here. 01:25:13.160 --> 01:25:15.880 When I told people I am moving to Denton, Texas, 01:25:15.880 --> 01:25:17.240 the first question people asked me 01:25:17.240 --> 01:25:18.580 was why are you moving to Texas? 01:25:18.580 --> 01:25:19.960 Do you have family there? 01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:22.200 I am an East Coast based individual. 01:25:22.200 --> 01:25:25.040 So I come to you from Washington, D.C. 01:25:25.040 --> 01:25:26.880 Worked in the consulting field. 01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:29.360 I've spent almost 20 years in this field 01:25:29.360 --> 01:25:32.280 working transportation, land development 01:25:32.280 --> 01:25:37.040 and the bulk of my time has been in the transportation sector. 01:25:37.040 --> 01:25:40.360 So the reason that really drew me here 01:25:40.360 --> 01:25:42.440 was that I was looking for a new opportunity. 01:25:42.440 --> 01:25:44.600 I wanted to transition out of the private sector 01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:48.200 into the public sector and put a lot of my experience to use 01:25:48.200 --> 01:25:51.840 during the types of projects that I was able to glean 01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:54.200 from a lot of research on the city 01:25:54.200 --> 01:25:56.840 that are of interest, bicycle and pedestrian access, 01:25:56.840 --> 01:26:01.320 safety, all those things that are really the subjects 01:26:01.320 --> 01:26:04.440 that generated a lot of interest in this position. 01:26:04.440 --> 01:26:06.240 So when I started to do some research, 01:26:06.240 --> 01:26:08.020 I realized there was a really good fit 01:26:08.020 --> 01:26:10.560 with your interest and with mine. 01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:12.480 So to give you a little background on myself, 01:26:12.480 --> 01:26:17.160 I have an undergraduate degree in environmental management 01:26:17.160 --> 01:26:18.680 from University of Maryland. 01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:20.000 It's now called Global Campus, 01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:21.720 but University of Maryland University College 01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:23.400 when I went there. 01:26:23.400 --> 01:26:26.360 And I was working in the transportation sector 01:26:26.360 --> 01:26:30.200 as a traffic engineer for about a decade 01:26:30.200 --> 01:26:32.560 that I was designing intersections and signals 01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:33.400 and things like that. 01:26:33.400 --> 01:26:35.640 And I didn't really, I wasn't an engineer. 01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:37.440 I didn't really wanna stay in that career field. 01:26:37.440 --> 01:26:39.040 So I was looking for an opportunity 01:26:39.040 --> 01:26:42.360 to put my skills into practice in something. 01:26:42.360 --> 01:26:43.640 I was a little more specialized, 01:26:43.640 --> 01:26:46.520 found myself really gravitating to pedestrian safety 01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:49.320 as a big issue that's very important to me. 01:26:49.320 --> 01:26:51.640 So a lot of people hear bike in my title 01:26:51.640 --> 01:26:53.480 and they gravitate towards the bike side, 01:26:53.480 --> 01:26:56.120 but I actually like to focus on the ped side 01:26:56.120 --> 01:26:59.560 and ped safety is really my area of specialty. 01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:01.800 And I also really have worked on a lot 01:27:01.800 --> 01:27:05.640 of innovative bike designs around Washington DC 01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:07.200 and the mid Atlantic area. 01:27:07.200 --> 01:27:09.560 So I have a lot of experience there as well. 01:27:09.560 --> 01:27:13.680 So I have a really robust and full background 01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:15.160 of experience that I'm bringing to the city. 01:27:15.160 --> 01:27:17.160 I'm really excited to put that to work. 01:27:17.160 --> 01:27:19.960 I'm really excited to work directly with leadership 01:27:19.960 --> 01:27:23.920 to bring some of those innovative ideas to the city 01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:26.360 and try and work out and solve some of the challenges 01:27:26.360 --> 01:27:29.520 that come up on projects as they naturally do. 01:27:29.520 --> 01:27:32.080 And happy to give you guys more background. 01:27:32.080 --> 01:27:35.680 You'll get to know me a lot because I'll be here. 01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:38.440 Our family is moving here next month, 01:27:38.440 --> 01:27:40.160 but I'll be here permanently 01:27:40.160 --> 01:27:43.120 and looking forward to collaborating with city staff, 01:27:43.120 --> 01:27:45.800 with the entire leadership of the city 01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:48.320 and to making these projects very successful 01:27:48.320 --> 01:27:50.320 and achieving your goals 01:27:50.320 --> 01:27:52.520 because we're here to work together. 01:27:52.520 --> 01:27:54.760 So if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer. 01:27:54.760 --> 01:27:58.160 - You know me. 01:27:58.160 --> 01:28:02.280 So obviously you're aware of the fact that 01:28:02.280 --> 01:28:04.320 you know the issues that you're gonna be dealing with 01:28:04.320 --> 01:28:07.320 are things that are very high priority for council, 01:28:07.320 --> 01:28:11.120 very high priority for the community. 01:28:11.120 --> 01:28:14.840 I would say that we are sort of in a period of transition 01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:19.840 where we were sort of semi-rural slash suburban 01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:25.160 and we're really looking to be 01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:29.720 you know more of a dense, urban, 01:28:29.720 --> 01:28:33.000 walkable, bikeable type environment. 01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:36.960 So you've got your work cut out for you for sure 01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:39.320 and we're very excited to have you. 01:28:39.320 --> 01:28:42.560 I'm curious if you could speak to your experience 01:28:42.560 --> 01:28:46.520 with ADA related issues. 01:28:46.520 --> 01:28:48.920 What kind of training do you have in that area? 01:28:48.920 --> 01:28:53.920 - Okay, yeah, ADA is a very comprehensive area 01:28:54.760 --> 01:28:57.280 within the field of transportation. 01:28:57.280 --> 01:29:00.200 A lot of my work was focused on intersection improvements 01:29:00.200 --> 01:29:02.240 and you know I've had to 01:29:02.240 --> 01:29:05.400 from a planning and design perspective. 01:29:05.400 --> 01:29:08.200 So I've had to work through development of programs 01:29:08.200 --> 01:29:11.680 to you know to bring facilities into compliance 01:29:11.680 --> 01:29:14.720 at a county wide ADA transition plan 01:29:14.720 --> 01:29:16.960 for a transit system for example. 01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:21.960 So you know a lot of my work did involve 01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:24.520 making all of our transportation facilities 01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:26.600 compliant on transportation side. 01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:30.120 So you know not building that sort of experience 01:29:30.120 --> 01:29:34.120 and throughout that time you know this goes back to 2008 01:29:34.120 --> 01:29:37.560 when I officially became transportation specific 01:29:37.560 --> 01:29:38.840 focus in my career. 01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:42.560 I've had a ton of training, worked through a lot 01:29:42.560 --> 01:29:45.200 of project specific and design specific work 01:29:45.200 --> 01:29:49.680 that centered around ADA and then you know ADA pairs 01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:51.960 with a lot of the other types of improvements 01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:54.600 that we designed so you know that naturally comes along 01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:56.680 with traffic controls and the innovations 01:29:56.680 --> 01:30:01.680 that have come into practice in our field over that time. 01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:03.920 So you know I'm not just looking at projects 01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:06.000 from the ADA compliant perspective 01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:08.560 and making sure that we're addressing those needs 01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:10.920 but also looking at how can we improve traffic controls, 01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:12.600 how does that influence safety. 01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:15.280 So looking at it as a more robust 01:30:15.280 --> 01:30:17.640 and holistic sort of approach 01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:20.880 and trying to make sure that we're navigating the process 01:30:20.880 --> 01:30:23.440 so that we're achieving sort of multiply benefits 01:30:23.440 --> 01:30:24.280 if you will. 01:30:24.280 --> 01:30:29.800 Segregating users, there's been a lot of work recently 01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:32.000 where we're looking at like dedicated bike facilities 01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:36.800 and how does that influence the multimodal not just ADA 01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:39.640 but how those multiple modes are addressed 01:30:39.640 --> 01:30:42.080 and we identify conflicts and mitigate them. 01:30:42.080 --> 01:30:45.120 So there's a, we can talk four hours about that 01:30:45.120 --> 01:30:46.520 so I'll just leave it there. 01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:50.280 - Oh we will. 01:30:50.280 --> 01:30:51.600 - Oh we will, yes. 01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:53.840 (laughing) 01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:56.440 - Council Member Perkins. 01:30:56.440 --> 01:30:58.720 - I am so happy to see you. 01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:01.400 My background is health and safety as well 01:31:01.400 --> 01:31:04.000 but environmental management and all of that good stuff 01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:09.000 so I'm very excited to know that there's someone here 01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:12.840 that's gonna be dedicated to the safety 01:31:12.840 --> 01:31:15.200 and well being of our bikers 01:31:15.200 --> 01:31:20.200 and our multiple able people 01:31:21.120 --> 01:31:23.280 here in the city. 01:31:23.280 --> 01:31:26.360 And just knowing that this is a city 01:31:26.360 --> 01:31:28.960 that has two major universities in it 01:31:28.960 --> 01:31:33.120 where the majority of the people that live there 01:31:33.120 --> 01:31:37.120 and live around there are biking, walking people. 01:31:37.120 --> 01:31:40.960 So I'm glad you're here. 01:31:40.960 --> 01:31:42.320 This is like a breath of fresh air. 01:31:42.320 --> 01:31:44.160 I'll move on with my question. 01:31:44.160 --> 01:31:47.560 What makes a street qualified to have a sidewalk on it? 01:31:49.200 --> 01:31:51.680 - How do we determine where to put a sidewalk? 01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:53.600 - That is a quite nuanced question 01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:56.080 and we have been looking at the sidewalk program 01:31:56.080 --> 01:31:59.200 this week since I arrived 01:31:59.200 --> 01:32:02.000 and I got a nice briefing on that yesterday. 01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:04.880 Typically I would tell you that a sidewalk 01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:07.440 should belong on any urban street. 01:32:07.440 --> 01:32:09.400 That's my personal opinion. 01:32:09.400 --> 01:32:12.320 There are going to be some nuanced details to that 01:32:12.320 --> 01:32:14.760 but certainly when you're in an urban environment 01:32:14.760 --> 01:32:16.120 sidewalk should be provided. 01:32:16.120 --> 01:32:18.360 It's part of a complete streets environment 01:32:18.360 --> 01:32:20.280 unless drivers truly wanna be sharing the street 01:32:20.280 --> 01:32:22.160 with pedestrians or bicyclists 01:32:22.160 --> 01:32:25.280 we really need to accommodate those users 01:32:25.280 --> 01:32:27.000 outside of the roadway. 01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:29.600 So that's where there will be some nuance 01:32:29.600 --> 01:32:33.600 and I personally live on a more suburban street 01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:34.720 that has no sidewalks. 01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:37.000 There are cases where you don't have a lot of traffic, 01:32:37.000 --> 01:32:38.760 traffic volumes are low, speeds are low. 01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:41.480 So it's really a character assessment 01:32:41.480 --> 01:32:44.240 what are the characteristics of the road, 01:32:44.240 --> 01:32:45.160 the nature of the traffic 01:32:45.160 --> 01:32:46.680 and that's going to help influence 01:32:46.680 --> 01:32:48.760 when we should provide those dedicated facilities 01:32:48.760 --> 01:32:50.680 versus when it might function a little bit better 01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:52.240 as a shared street. 01:32:52.240 --> 01:32:55.440 But those are certainly conversations we'll have a lot 01:32:55.440 --> 01:32:56.400 as we're trying to figure out 01:32:56.400 --> 01:32:58.760 where to put sidewalks in the city, 01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:00.320 how to prioritize those needs 01:33:00.320 --> 01:33:04.000 because that's a theme that I've heard talking with staff. 01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:07.200 So we'll certainly be trying to figure out the answers 01:33:07.200 --> 01:33:10.560 to those questions on each street segment throughout the city 01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:13.680 as we try and put a response to good use. 01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:14.680 - And Council Member Byrd, 01:33:14.680 --> 01:33:16.320 I think I would just mention that 01:33:16.320 --> 01:33:18.280 there are city standard details 01:33:18.280 --> 01:33:22.160 that show what the cross section of a roadway should be, 01:33:22.160 --> 01:33:24.160 whether it's a residential street section, 01:33:24.160 --> 01:33:27.920 a primary arterial, secondary arterial 01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:29.520 or a collector status. 01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:32.320 And so what our goal is is to be able to bring Nathan 01:33:32.320 --> 01:33:36.120 into the design of those different types of roadways, 01:33:36.120 --> 01:33:37.800 whether it's a brand new project 01:33:37.800 --> 01:33:39.560 or a brand new roadway being constructed 01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:44.200 or a roadway that is being rehabilitated 01:33:44.200 --> 01:33:47.440 and using his expertise to see what makes the most sense 01:33:47.440 --> 01:33:50.120 from that multimodal perspective. 01:33:50.120 --> 01:33:53.920 So it's very much, I would say in general, 01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:55.960 what we've seen and what Nathan and I've talked 01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:58.840 in great detail about is we're very much interested 01:33:58.840 --> 01:34:00.800 in getting the roadway reconstructed, right? 01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:05.800 So, and I think that there is definitely a interest 01:34:05.800 --> 01:34:10.920 to take into consideration all those other modes 01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:13.120 such as sidewalks and bicycle. 01:34:13.120 --> 01:34:15.920 And so I definitely think that Nathan's gonna be able 01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:19.320 to help provide that technical expertise to our team, 01:34:19.320 --> 01:34:21.600 which we're very excited about. 01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:24.120 I would mention, there are always gonna be challenges 01:34:24.120 --> 01:34:25.760 that we're gonna run into. 01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:29.840 In many cases, I think from a sidewalk perspective, 01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:32.000 as long as the right-of-way is available, 01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:33.960 it makes it much easier to construct. 01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:37.240 But there are cases and we receive citizen comments 01:34:37.240 --> 01:34:38.080 that come through that say, 01:34:38.080 --> 01:34:41.400 I don't want a sidewalk on my property. 01:34:41.400 --> 01:34:43.960 And so that does happen quite a bit and more often 01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:46.280 than you actually probably would realize. 01:34:46.280 --> 01:34:50.200 And so the other thing is many times easements 01:34:50.200 --> 01:34:51.640 have to be acquired just to be able 01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:52.960 to put sidewalk within them. 01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:54.640 So those are some of the challenges 01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:57.400 that we are super excited to have Nathan on board 01:34:57.400 --> 01:35:00.120 to take his background and his expertise 01:35:00.120 --> 01:35:01.800 and look at that roadway cross-section 01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:03.560 between Chandra and Nathan 01:35:03.560 --> 01:35:06.480 from that transportation traffic engineering perspective, 01:35:06.480 --> 01:35:10.680 and then also including that sidewalk perspective. 01:35:10.680 --> 01:35:13.440 So just thought I would add that just because 01:35:13.440 --> 01:35:16.760 it's a typical cross-section doesn't necessarily always mean 01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:18.960 that that's going to be the method of which we move forward. 01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:21.160 We have to do what makes sense. 01:35:21.160 --> 01:35:23.800 And I also don't want to look at it from the perspective, 01:35:23.800 --> 01:35:27.400 and I know Nathan doesn't either, of a singular road. 01:35:27.400 --> 01:35:30.040 We want to take the opportunity to look at it more globally. 01:35:30.040 --> 01:35:31.440 And I think you see that from our team 01:35:31.440 --> 01:35:34.440 as we bring things more to you in a programmatic approach 01:35:34.440 --> 01:35:39.040 versus just focusing on an individual roadway, so. 01:35:39.040 --> 01:35:42.360 - Well, I'm going to express my, 01:35:42.360 --> 01:35:46.920 of course, biasness to my area, District One. 01:35:46.920 --> 01:35:50.880 It is the urban, you know, more of the urban type. 01:35:50.880 --> 01:35:55.880 It's the closer-knit, smaller road area. 01:35:55.880 --> 01:36:00.920 And I have seen some sidewalks in that area 01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:05.040 that could definitely use some immediate attention. 01:36:05.040 --> 01:36:08.120 So when you all get started, 01:36:08.120 --> 01:36:12.760 would you all consider that area, you know, 01:36:12.760 --> 01:36:17.760 as a priority area, it's more denser than the other areas. 01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:21.360 So I'd like to see that, you know, 01:36:21.360 --> 01:36:24.760 as part of your priority area that you look at. 01:36:24.760 --> 01:36:28.160 - Sure, I think we absolutely can take any requests 01:36:28.160 --> 01:36:30.360 that come in into consideration. 01:36:30.360 --> 01:36:34.080 I will tell you, another one of our project managers 01:36:34.080 --> 01:36:38.360 has worked to develop an entire sidewalk work plan program. 01:36:38.360 --> 01:36:42.760 And so we have really an executed, well-thought-out plan 01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:45.400 and how we take those sidewalks and incorporate them 01:36:45.400 --> 01:36:48.600 into projects such as the 2019 Bond Program. 01:36:48.600 --> 01:36:52.520 So definitely interested in looking at any improvement areas 01:36:52.520 --> 01:36:55.600 of which need additional sidewalks. 01:36:55.600 --> 01:36:59.200 So, you know, I definitely think that there's always 01:36:59.200 --> 01:37:01.720 opportunity to see how we can do things better. 01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:04.560 - Wes? 01:37:04.560 --> 01:37:09.120 If I can turn my mic on, there it is. 01:37:09.120 --> 01:37:13.280 So you mentioned, you know, that it's not unusual 01:37:13.280 --> 01:37:18.280 to have residential areas where property owners 01:37:18.280 --> 01:37:23.000 have said that they don't want sidewalks on their property. 01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:26.520 And I've heard that quite a bit in D4. 01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:30.680 And an area that comes to mind is Southridge. 01:37:30.680 --> 01:37:33.240 I've heard from a lot of Southridge residents that, 01:37:33.240 --> 01:37:35.640 you know, they wouldn't mind sidewalks, 01:37:35.640 --> 01:37:38.040 but you know, maybe it's not a high priority for them, 01:37:38.040 --> 01:37:40.800 or maybe they don't want to give up, you know, 01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:42.960 yard space for that. 01:37:42.960 --> 01:37:47.040 So the thought has crossed my mind, 01:37:47.040 --> 01:37:49.080 and sorry to get into like real specifics, 01:37:49.080 --> 01:37:52.680 but for example, an area like Pennsylvania Drive, 01:37:52.680 --> 01:37:57.440 where in some places the roadway is very wide 01:37:57.440 --> 01:37:58.280 and there are no sidewalks. 01:37:58.280 --> 01:38:02.840 - Would you mind if I ask you to hold it for item five, 01:38:02.840 --> 01:38:05.320 I'll just feel a little bit better about the unposting. 01:38:05.320 --> 01:38:07.360 - Yes, I will hold. 01:38:07.360 --> 01:38:08.200 - Thanks. 01:38:08.200 --> 01:38:12.440 I hate to do that, but you know. 01:38:12.440 --> 01:38:16.960 Yeah, and I'll just say, Nathan, welcome. 01:38:16.960 --> 01:38:17.800 - Thank you. 01:38:17.800 --> 01:38:20.760 - You've come to a really great community. 01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:23.000 I think you'll enjoy living here. 01:38:23.000 --> 01:38:26.480 I'll instruct you, if I may, that the correct answer, 01:38:26.480 --> 01:38:29.280 if you're asked, are you from Texas, 01:38:29.280 --> 01:38:31.600 is I came as soon as I could. 01:38:31.600 --> 01:38:33.360 - Okay, I came as soon as I could. 01:38:33.360 --> 01:38:34.320 - Well done, well done. 01:38:34.320 --> 01:38:35.640 Fast learner, fast learner. 01:38:35.640 --> 01:38:43.120 And yeah, I think you really enjoy living here, 01:38:43.120 --> 01:38:44.600 and you have come at a great time, 01:38:44.600 --> 01:38:48.240 where there's lots of support, I would say, you know, 01:38:48.240 --> 01:38:51.200 demand even for becoming more multimodal, 01:38:51.200 --> 01:38:53.080 as other members have said, 01:38:53.080 --> 01:38:58.080 and I look forward to you helping puncture our ableism 01:38:58.800 --> 01:39:03.520 and help us be, you know, as accessible 01:39:03.520 --> 01:39:05.640 of a community as we can possibly be. 01:39:05.640 --> 01:39:07.400 - Thanks for that. 01:39:07.400 --> 01:39:10.320 I would definitely, I do wanna put in a plug, 01:39:10.320 --> 01:39:14.160 is it engaged in, or the, 01:39:14.160 --> 01:39:15.400 I wanna make sure that, you know, 01:39:15.400 --> 01:39:18.400 folks, as they're out and they see problems, 01:39:18.400 --> 01:39:20.360 let us know through that system, 01:39:20.360 --> 01:39:21.320 because that's gonna be one way 01:39:21.320 --> 01:39:23.280 that we're going to find some of those challenges, 01:39:23.280 --> 01:39:27.000 and also, we're working through the ADA transition plan, 01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:29.200 so we do have a good background 01:39:29.200 --> 01:39:30.400 that I'll be working through, 01:39:30.400 --> 01:39:32.000 that I've already started taking a look at. 01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:34.320 So I'm looking forward to putting my skills to work, 01:39:34.320 --> 01:39:37.080 and it's been a pleasure to meet you all, 01:39:37.080 --> 01:39:39.520 and I look forward to seeing a lot more of you 01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:41.360 in the months and years to come. 01:39:41.360 --> 01:39:42.200 - Great. - Thanks. 01:39:42.200 --> 01:39:43.020 - Thank you. 01:39:43.020 --> 01:39:44.040 - Awesome, thank you, Nathan. 01:39:44.040 --> 01:39:45.640 So as you could tell, 01:39:45.640 --> 01:39:47.400 we're very pleased to have Nathan on board. 01:39:47.400 --> 01:39:49.880 So he's had a fast, quick three days, 01:39:49.880 --> 01:39:53.400 and so thank you, Nathan, for taking that time. 01:39:53.400 --> 01:39:57.080 The next item that we wanted to bring forward last, 01:39:57.080 --> 01:40:01.320 Mobility Committee meeting, there was a question asked, 01:40:01.320 --> 01:40:03.080 and we received several questions 01:40:03.080 --> 01:40:06.760 kind of over the 2012 Bike Denton plan, 01:40:06.760 --> 01:40:10.960 and we just wanted to let the committee know, 01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:12.440 now that Nathan is on board, 01:40:12.440 --> 01:40:15.360 we are currently reviewing that plan 01:40:15.360 --> 01:40:19.740 that was presented back in 2012, evaluating it, 01:40:19.740 --> 01:40:23.600 looking at it in relation to the existing capital projects, 01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:25.040 and then also coordinating, really, 01:40:25.040 --> 01:40:27.280 with Nathan on future projects. 01:40:27.280 --> 01:40:29.640 So definitely something that I know many folks 01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:32.840 brought to our attention and our radar, 01:40:32.840 --> 01:40:34.980 and so we appreciate that, 01:40:34.980 --> 01:40:37.960 and we're gonna be working through and coordinating that. 01:40:37.960 --> 01:40:42.160 So hopefully that answers some of the questions 01:40:42.160 --> 01:40:43.400 that had existed. 01:40:43.400 --> 01:40:46.940 No problem, sir, happy to do so. 01:40:48.300 --> 01:40:52.640 We actually have been meeting with North Texas 01:40:52.640 --> 01:40:55.220 in relation to the 2012 bike plan, also. 01:40:55.220 --> 01:40:58.500 So just, you know, there's a lot of conversations going on, 01:40:58.500 --> 01:41:02.200 and now that we have the right folks at the, 01:41:02.200 --> 01:41:04.520 and I guess they say on the seats on the bus, 01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:06.720 we're ready to rock and roll. 01:41:06.720 --> 01:41:08.540 The next item I wanted to bring forward, 01:41:08.540 --> 01:41:10.680 and I know, Chair, this is something 01:41:10.680 --> 01:41:12.680 that's definitely been on your radar. 01:41:12.680 --> 01:41:15.120 I know you've asked me about this multiple times, 01:41:15.120 --> 01:41:18.580 and so we did receive your request, 01:41:18.580 --> 01:41:20.440 and we have reviewed the resurfacing 01:41:20.440 --> 01:41:21.800 and street reconstruction plans. 01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:24.000 There's currently not an existing project 01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:29.000 coordinated with Oak Street between Bradley and Thomas. 01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:33.400 The new overall condition index for the streets has come in, 01:41:33.400 --> 01:41:35.640 so this is a recent, 01:41:35.640 --> 01:41:39.200 I know we were using 2015 data, 01:41:39.200 --> 01:41:41.560 and Streets Department has let us know 01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:43.680 that that new information has come in 01:41:43.680 --> 01:41:45.280 within the last couple of weeks. 01:41:45.280 --> 01:41:46.840 - Are you gonna tell us what it is on that stretch? 01:41:46.840 --> 01:41:49.400 - I don't have that number available, 01:41:49.400 --> 01:41:52.600 but I absolutely can get that number for you, 01:41:52.600 --> 01:41:55.080 but we are going to be working through 01:41:55.080 --> 01:41:57.560 how to program that street in the future 01:41:57.560 --> 01:41:59.600 based on its overall condition index. 01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:03.720 So definitely something that we wanna take from the concern 01:42:03.720 --> 01:42:06.640 and try to work it into the overall program. 01:42:06.640 --> 01:42:08.940 - Or charge admission to it. 01:42:08.940 --> 01:42:10.000 (laughing) 01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:11.800 - Well, yes, sir. 01:42:11.800 --> 01:42:14.160 So, and then I think the last item really we had 01:42:14.160 --> 01:42:17.240 on the staff update before we go to future agenda items 01:42:17.240 --> 01:42:21.900 is Council Member McGuire had asked for a list of overpasses 01:42:21.900 --> 01:42:23.960 for the 35 widening. 01:42:23.960 --> 01:42:26.760 And so we did provide that in the Friday report 01:42:26.760 --> 01:42:31.760 on July 2nd, but you'll see in your backup information, 01:42:31.760 --> 01:42:36.160 really all the different intersections. 01:42:36.160 --> 01:42:38.440 What I could tell you is based on kind of 01:42:38.440 --> 01:42:40.800 what we are looking at overall, 01:42:40.800 --> 01:42:43.040 the existing over or underpasses basically 01:42:43.040 --> 01:42:44.740 are being replaced or reconstructed. 01:42:44.740 --> 01:42:47.120 The only one that we're aware of to date 01:42:47.120 --> 01:42:49.120 that is new is that Windsor. 01:42:49.120 --> 01:42:52.760 And I think you've seen that come for you before 01:42:52.760 --> 01:42:54.200 with the Westgate presentation. 01:42:54.200 --> 01:42:58.280 So that is the one that we are aware of at this time. 01:42:58.280 --> 01:43:02.760 So if anybody has any questions on that, 01:43:02.760 --> 01:43:03.680 I'd be happy to answer. 01:43:03.680 --> 01:43:05.960 If not, we can move on to future items. 01:43:09.640 --> 01:43:11.960 - Oh, I just want to express my disappointment 01:43:11.960 --> 01:43:14.040 that I missed the boat on that scripture. 01:43:14.040 --> 01:43:21.480 - So we're good on four for the moment, yeah. 01:43:21.480 --> 01:43:25.000 And then, but why don't you go ahead, we're on five now. 01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:29.720 You had some items that you wanted to look for focus on. 01:43:29.720 --> 01:43:34.420 - We actually, let's see, on the future staff reports, 01:43:34.420 --> 01:43:38.800 I do believe that we have request, 01:43:38.800 --> 01:43:41.720 we have actually been working through several of these. 01:43:41.720 --> 01:43:43.360 If you'd like, I can go through and update 01:43:43.360 --> 01:43:44.800 on each one of these and then we can see 01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:46.960 if there's any additional requests. 01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:50.560 So update on the senior planner, that was the first item. 01:43:50.560 --> 01:43:53.200 So we've tackled that. 01:43:53.200 --> 01:43:57.780 The third item is the traffic engineering request, 01:43:57.780 --> 01:44:02.780 I can't speak, in regards to and related to Engage Denton. 01:44:02.780 --> 01:44:05.280 And we're kind of working through that 01:44:05.280 --> 01:44:06.600 for a potential heat map. 01:44:06.600 --> 01:44:09.320 I think some of this actually we're working on 01:44:09.320 --> 01:44:12.080 in coordination with the process of moving 01:44:12.080 --> 01:44:15.120 from the Engage Denton to the 311 system. 01:44:15.120 --> 01:44:18.480 So that's ongoing, it's definitely something on our radar. 01:44:18.480 --> 01:44:22.600 The 2012 bike plan, I know I just spoke to this 01:44:22.600 --> 01:44:25.000 and that's something that we did provide an update 01:44:25.000 --> 01:44:27.440 in the Friday report. 01:44:27.440 --> 01:44:30.760 The list of overpasses, that's been completed. 01:44:30.760 --> 01:44:33.200 And then the future plans for West Oak 01:44:33.200 --> 01:44:34.760 between Bradley and Thomas, 01:44:34.760 --> 01:44:36.120 and we just gave you that information. 01:44:36.120 --> 01:44:37.600 I think, I guess what we could add to that 01:44:37.600 --> 01:44:39.800 is you'd like to see what the OCI rating is 01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:41.720 based on the new data from that. 01:44:41.720 --> 01:44:44.680 I gleaned that from the smile that I saw on your face. 01:44:44.680 --> 01:44:47.160 So definitely something that we can look at 01:44:47.160 --> 01:44:48.600 and get from the streets department 01:44:48.600 --> 01:44:50.920 is that information for that cross section. 01:44:50.920 --> 01:44:54.320 So with that, I will open it up and y'all can let us know 01:44:54.320 --> 01:44:57.280 other future agenda items you'd like for us to look into. 01:44:57.280 --> 01:45:03.760 - Okay, so I would like this looked into, 01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:06.680 but perhaps you can also provide a little bit of insight 01:45:06.680 --> 01:45:08.640 regarding feasibility. 01:45:08.640 --> 01:45:13.640 So as I mentioned, I have heard that concern 01:45:13.640 --> 01:45:17.320 from residents of Southridge in particular 01:45:17.320 --> 01:45:19.600 and to a lesser extent in Denia, 01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:21.400 the idea that sidewalks would be fine, 01:45:21.400 --> 01:45:25.160 but they don't necessarily wanna give that right of way. 01:45:25.160 --> 01:45:31.760 But for example, Pennsylvania Drive is a very wide roadway 01:45:31.760 --> 01:45:36.760 that doesn't have sidewalks along the entire length of it. 01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:44.400 Would it be feasible to, at some point in the future, 01:45:44.400 --> 01:45:51.600 redesign that roadway to be narrower 01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:57.440 so that sidewalks can, we can add sidewalks 01:45:57.440 --> 01:46:00.680 without doing right of way acquisition? 01:46:01.760 --> 01:46:06.760 Sorry, I couldn't get myself unmuted. 01:46:06.760 --> 01:46:11.760 I think I could talk loud enough without the microphone. 01:46:11.760 --> 01:46:15.760 But I think definitely that's a roadway cross section 01:46:15.760 --> 01:46:17.680 that we could look at. 01:46:17.680 --> 01:46:19.640 We would have to pull plat information 01:46:19.640 --> 01:46:21.640 to see what right of way was dedicated 01:46:21.640 --> 01:46:23.640 and what was constructed in that area. 01:46:23.640 --> 01:46:27.000 I think many of the concerns or questions that we get 01:46:27.000 --> 01:46:31.440 are specifically related to the fact that folks believe 01:46:31.440 --> 01:46:34.120 and citizens, residents believe 01:46:34.120 --> 01:46:36.800 that where the back of curb is located 01:46:36.800 --> 01:46:38.280 is really where the right of way stops. 01:46:38.280 --> 01:46:40.120 And in many cases, that's truly not true. 01:46:40.120 --> 01:46:42.720 The right of way does go into their private property, 01:46:42.720 --> 01:46:45.480 their private property line 01:46:45.480 --> 01:46:47.520 and the right of way above each other. 01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:50.160 And so I think in order to look at that, 01:46:50.160 --> 01:46:52.560 we would just have to evaluate it from an approach 01:46:52.560 --> 01:46:54.720 of where is the existing right of way line 01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:56.960 and then evaluate what measures could be taken 01:46:56.960 --> 01:46:58.700 if that's something that's an interest 01:46:58.700 --> 01:47:03.320 as to whether the existing right of way already is available 01:47:03.320 --> 01:47:04.520 for sidewalk to be constructed, 01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:07.940 even if it was on one side and not on both sides. 01:47:07.940 --> 01:47:10.400 The other options are, like you mentioned, 01:47:10.400 --> 01:47:12.000 looking at that roadway cross section 01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:16.040 to see if it's wider than it shall be 01:47:16.040 --> 01:47:18.400 and if there's ways to improve that. 01:47:18.400 --> 01:47:22.160 So typically those roadway reconstruction projects 01:47:22.160 --> 01:47:26.560 really are based on the OCI, the overall condition index. 01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:28.520 And so that would be another evaluation 01:47:28.520 --> 01:47:31.080 that would be done as we look through the work plan 01:47:31.080 --> 01:47:33.680 and what roadways need to be completed. 01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:35.560 Obviously looking at the infrastructure 01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:37.480 under the ground too that needs to be completed. 01:47:37.480 --> 01:47:40.040 So definitely there's several different options 01:47:40.040 --> 01:47:41.760 that can be looked into there, 01:47:41.760 --> 01:47:44.200 but we would have to have the background information 01:47:44.200 --> 01:47:47.880 to see the survey, where the actual right of way line is. 01:47:47.880 --> 01:47:51.120 I brought up the conversation about the location 01:47:51.120 --> 01:47:53.040 of sidewalks just simply from the standpoint 01:47:53.040 --> 01:47:54.600 that some of the things that we hear on 01:47:54.600 --> 01:47:56.080 some of the recent sidewalk projects 01:47:56.080 --> 01:47:59.840 that we've been under construction on is a misunderstanding 01:47:59.840 --> 01:48:01.920 that actually the right of way line, 01:48:01.920 --> 01:48:03.520 like I mentioned, is the back of curve 01:48:03.520 --> 01:48:08.520 where the right of way line actually goes into individuals. 01:48:08.520 --> 01:48:11.000 They think it's their property because they mow it 01:48:11.000 --> 01:48:14.080 and they maintain it and they water it and sprinkle it, 01:48:14.080 --> 01:48:17.920 but actually in many cases that is not necessarily the case. 01:48:17.920 --> 01:48:19.560 - I appreciate you making that point 01:48:19.560 --> 01:48:23.400 and I would add too that like particularly 01:48:23.400 --> 01:48:25.120 in the case of Pennsylvania Drive 01:48:25.120 --> 01:48:27.840 that there have been concerns about speeding 01:48:27.840 --> 01:48:32.200 and I would posit that that's probably, 01:48:32.200 --> 01:48:35.360 there is speeding on Pennsylvania Drive for sure 01:48:35.360 --> 01:48:39.280 and that the kind of excessive width of the roadway 01:48:39.280 --> 01:48:40.880 might be contributing to that. 01:48:40.880 --> 01:48:43.200 And I was gonna say something else, 01:48:43.200 --> 01:48:44.200 but I forgot what it was, 01:48:44.200 --> 01:48:46.760 so I will hand it off to Council Member Byrd 01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:48.160 who I believe had something else to ask. 01:48:48.160 --> 01:48:49.120 - He'll come back. 01:48:49.120 --> 01:48:52.760 - Speaking of speeding, 01:48:55.160 --> 01:49:00.160 I know that Moore Street is a thoroughfare now apparently 01:49:00.160 --> 01:49:08.320 and I'm always getting notices from the community 01:49:08.320 --> 01:49:12.640 about Moore Street is a very wide road, 01:49:12.640 --> 01:49:17.640 so I know that there's going to be some utility work done 01:49:21.920 --> 01:49:26.920 and I would like to see something to slow that road down. 01:49:26.920 --> 01:49:30.880 I've been on that road and I've even caught myself 01:49:30.880 --> 01:49:33.160 kind of going over the speed limit a little bit, 01:49:33.160 --> 01:49:35.360 but it's a easy road to speed down, 01:49:35.360 --> 01:49:38.480 so would you add that one please to the list? 01:49:38.480 --> 01:49:42.520 Lakey Street, that's not a particularly wide road 01:49:42.520 --> 01:49:44.760 and that may be just a community, 01:49:44.760 --> 01:49:46.680 something that the community needs to work out 01:49:46.680 --> 01:49:49.880 with them themselves is to take care of some of those roads, 01:49:49.880 --> 01:49:52.960 but Moore Street for sure is a road 01:49:52.960 --> 01:49:55.600 that I'm particularly concerned about. 01:49:55.600 --> 01:50:00.040 But my question is for that area, 01:50:00.040 --> 01:50:02.920 I know that we've already talked about the upgrades 01:50:02.920 --> 01:50:04.480 and the utility upgrades, 01:50:04.480 --> 01:50:08.000 can you give us the date when that's gonna start? 01:50:08.000 --> 01:50:13.000 Is that a fall project and where are we gonna start 01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:18.760 with the utility upgrade for that area? 01:50:18.840 --> 01:50:20.640 - And what street are we gonna start with? 01:50:20.640 --> 01:50:22.440 Is it Robertson Street? 01:50:22.440 --> 01:50:24.480 - So that's something that we're actually working through 01:50:24.480 --> 01:50:27.160 right now is the actual construction. 01:50:27.160 --> 01:50:32.160 The construction began on Monday. 01:50:32.160 --> 01:50:37.480 Okay, here comes Rachel, she's gonna correct me. 01:50:37.480 --> 01:50:39.000 I know we began construction. 01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:41.440 - Just to clarify, construction did begin on Monday, 01:50:41.440 --> 01:50:44.720 but that was for the MCFC and Loft streets 01:50:44.720 --> 01:50:46.200 that don't include any utilities 01:50:46.200 --> 01:50:47.960 and are not in Southeast Denton. 01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:51.040 So Southeast Denton construction will be beginning 01:50:51.040 --> 01:50:54.440 in early calendar year 2022. 01:50:54.440 --> 01:50:56.440 And we are still working through the sequencing 01:50:56.440 --> 01:50:58.320 on what specific streets that will be. 01:50:58.320 --> 01:51:00.400 - 'Cause I'm sure they're asking. 01:51:00.400 --> 01:51:03.640 - Sure, and I would say on the Seymour actually 01:51:03.640 --> 01:51:05.160 was something that happened the last weekend. 01:51:05.160 --> 01:51:06.600 I'm sorry, I was getting confused. 01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:08.760 I know Rachel and I were celebrating 01:51:08.760 --> 01:51:11.440 that portions of the bond package construction, 01:51:11.440 --> 01:51:13.880 but those were the ones that did not include utilities, 01:51:13.880 --> 01:51:17.280 which I know have very interesting names of MCFC and Loft. 01:51:17.280 --> 01:51:21.520 So that's really just the first initial of those roadways. 01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:26.280 But the actual 2019 bond specific to the Sedna area 01:51:26.280 --> 01:51:28.520 is something that we're using the Seymour approach. 01:51:28.520 --> 01:51:31.360 And so that actually, we received those, 01:51:31.360 --> 01:51:33.160 and you could go into greater detail if you'd like. 01:51:33.160 --> 01:51:36.280 - Sure, so we've got the two packages currently 01:51:36.280 --> 01:51:37.360 in Southeast Denton. 01:51:37.360 --> 01:51:39.080 We've got phase A and phase B. 01:51:39.080 --> 01:51:41.040 So phase B is what Becky's describing. 01:51:41.040 --> 01:51:42.880 It's got the construction manager at risk 01:51:42.880 --> 01:51:45.560 where we're actually reviewing those submittals 01:51:45.560 --> 01:51:48.440 that we got two weeks ago for that right now. 01:51:48.440 --> 01:51:50.840 Phase A is currently wrapping up design, 01:51:50.840 --> 01:51:53.080 and that's what will be initiating construction 01:51:53.080 --> 01:51:55.440 early calendar year 2022. 01:51:55.440 --> 01:51:57.800 So before we actually go to construction, 01:51:57.800 --> 01:51:59.680 we will have another community meeting, 01:51:59.680 --> 01:52:00.880 and we're happy to provide, 01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:02.880 because by our next mobility committee meeting, 01:52:02.880 --> 01:52:06.520 we should have more finite information on sequencing. 01:52:06.520 --> 01:52:07.920 We can talk to you specifically 01:52:07.920 --> 01:52:09.680 about what that first street 01:52:09.680 --> 01:52:11.840 or first series of streets is going to be, 01:52:11.840 --> 01:52:13.880 and we can bring that back to you either myself 01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:16.320 or the project manager, Seth Garcia, 01:52:16.320 --> 01:52:17.400 can give you those dates. 01:52:17.400 --> 01:52:20.360 But we do have movement in both the Southeast Denton 01:52:20.360 --> 01:52:22.880 phase A and phase B projects, 01:52:22.880 --> 01:52:24.760 both of which will be under construction 01:52:24.760 --> 01:52:26.480 within the next year. 01:52:26.480 --> 01:52:28.680 Right now we're just kind of working through the sequencing. 01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:29.520 - Okay. 01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:31.600 - And we do need to select a contractor 01:52:31.600 --> 01:52:33.640 for Southeast Denton phase A. 01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:35.920 So that's gonna be kind of the next leg. 01:52:35.920 --> 01:52:38.160 We're wrapping up the design right now. 01:52:38.160 --> 01:52:39.800 Hopefully by the end of this calendar, 01:52:39.800 --> 01:52:41.920 well actually by the end of quarter three, 01:52:41.920 --> 01:52:44.960 we plan to bring forward to the construction contract 01:52:44.960 --> 01:52:47.880 to consider what contractor we're gonna hire, 01:52:47.880 --> 01:52:49.560 and then that construction would begin 01:52:49.560 --> 01:52:52.120 early calendar year of 2022. 01:52:52.120 --> 01:52:52.960 - Thank you. 01:52:52.960 --> 01:52:54.040 - You're welcome. 01:52:54.040 --> 01:52:59.040 - And one other thing, just observation on Nottingham. 01:52:59.040 --> 01:53:06.160 We could see where those beautiful lawns are being, 01:53:06.160 --> 01:53:10.360 sidewalks are being put over those beautiful lawns, 01:53:10.360 --> 01:53:13.200 you know how you were talking about earlier? 01:53:13.200 --> 01:53:15.680 380 and Nottingham North. 01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:18.560 I was just driving through there the other day 01:53:18.560 --> 01:53:21.000 and saw where the sidewalks were being laid 01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:24.520 for an area that actually needed a lot, needed the sidewalks. 01:53:24.520 --> 01:53:25.360 - Sure. 01:53:25.360 --> 01:53:29.760 - So, and as you were going through and saying that, 01:53:29.760 --> 01:53:33.960 you know, that doesn't really belong to the home, 01:53:33.960 --> 01:53:38.960 but to the city, you know, that was just a revelation. 01:53:39.320 --> 01:53:41.200 And so that's gonna help with the bike path 01:53:41.200 --> 01:53:44.200 'cause there's also a little fake mini bike path 01:53:44.200 --> 01:53:46.000 kind of going down through that way as well. 01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:50.600 That's also a very fast street because it's on a hill. 01:53:50.600 --> 01:53:53.760 So, you know, it's working, it's coming along. 01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:55.000 Thank you very much. 01:53:55.000 --> 01:53:55.840 - No problem. 01:53:55.840 --> 01:53:58.120 And I would mention that the project manager 01:53:58.120 --> 01:54:00.880 on that sidewalk project has been in close coordination 01:54:00.880 --> 01:54:03.080 with the residents as, you know, 01:54:03.080 --> 01:54:05.000 they have different questions that come up. 01:54:05.000 --> 01:54:08.840 And so I definitely know that she's been sending us 01:54:08.840 --> 01:54:13.320 quite a bit of updates even in regards to some cardinals 01:54:13.320 --> 01:54:17.120 that were in the area and another bush that was in the, 01:54:17.120 --> 01:54:19.160 you know, to that level of detail. 01:54:19.160 --> 01:54:21.220 You know, obviously, as you're working with residents, 01:54:21.220 --> 01:54:24.380 it's very much important to us that we're communicating 01:54:24.380 --> 01:54:26.600 and coordinating so that they understand 01:54:26.600 --> 01:54:29.280 the expectation, definitely so. 01:54:29.280 --> 01:54:32.200 I did wanna circle back to the Moore Street. 01:54:32.200 --> 01:54:37.320 So I was given information by Logan, 01:54:37.320 --> 01:54:40.520 our management analyst, that she let me know 01:54:40.520 --> 01:54:42.040 that the actual Moore Street, 01:54:42.040 --> 01:54:44.360 and I was on vacation this day, 01:54:44.360 --> 01:54:47.520 but Moore Street actually was in the Friday report 01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:49.640 on February 2nd. 01:54:49.640 --> 01:54:52.680 And so we'll go back and see if there's anything additional 01:54:52.680 --> 01:54:54.480 we need to add, but I believe we've answered 01:54:54.480 --> 01:54:57.600 some of those questions in that Friday report, so. 01:54:57.600 --> 01:55:00.760 And thank you, Rachel, for coming to my rescue. 01:55:00.760 --> 01:55:02.140 So I appreciate that. 01:55:02.140 --> 01:55:04.880 There are 90 different projects going on, 01:55:04.880 --> 01:55:08.200 so I don't pretend to remember every single thing 01:55:08.200 --> 01:55:09.880 that's going on within the City of Denton. 01:55:09.880 --> 01:55:14.160 So we have great folks that were helping 01:55:14.160 --> 01:55:15.920 get the projects moving along, so. 01:55:15.920 --> 01:55:17.560 - I find I can remember three. 01:55:17.560 --> 01:55:20.160 And so if you can have the other 87 on a list, 01:55:20.160 --> 01:55:22.080 that's usually helpful. - Okay, well, maybe we can, 01:55:22.080 --> 01:55:25.160 like, test each other in some kinda quiz or something. 01:55:25.160 --> 01:55:27.560 - I have a couple of items to add. 01:55:27.560 --> 01:55:28.480 - Sure, yes, sir. 01:55:28.480 --> 01:55:31.640 - Actually, it was, you know, Council Member Byrd made 01:55:31.640 --> 01:55:35.880 the, you know, eminently sensible comment to me earlier, 01:55:35.880 --> 01:55:38.040 you know, my sharing that, you know, 01:55:38.040 --> 01:55:40.280 we would not necessarily have heard 01:55:40.280 --> 01:55:44.400 about how troubled that area around Hodges 01:55:44.400 --> 01:55:47.360 had there not been the prospect of future development. 01:55:47.360 --> 01:55:51.000 So that leads to two points. 01:55:51.000 --> 01:55:54.960 One is, as I tried to tee up earlier, 01:55:54.960 --> 01:55:59.320 is there a more comprehensive approach needed 01:55:59.320 --> 01:56:03.280 in addition to the signal improvements at Kingsway 01:56:03.280 --> 01:56:06.680 and 288 to alleviate that situation? 01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:09.160 I don't expect to have the answer, 01:56:09.160 --> 01:56:10.800 but I'm putting it on the list. 01:56:10.800 --> 01:56:12.560 - Sure, no, absolutely. 01:56:12.560 --> 01:56:15.000 And I will tell you that Chandra and I 01:56:15.000 --> 01:56:18.360 have had this on our radar since about March, 01:56:18.360 --> 01:56:21.920 and not specifically related to the development 01:56:21.920 --> 01:56:24.840 in that area, and I'm, you know, 01:56:24.840 --> 01:56:27.040 open to having some of that conversation, 01:56:27.040 --> 01:56:29.600 and definitely know that there needs 01:56:29.600 --> 01:56:31.440 to be additional conversation based 01:56:31.440 --> 01:56:33.440 on the posting last night. 01:56:33.440 --> 01:56:35.560 What I will tell you is Chandra and I 01:56:35.560 --> 01:56:37.720 have been evaluating that Hodge Elementary 01:56:37.720 --> 01:56:40.680 and coordinating with DISD. 01:56:40.680 --> 01:56:44.360 We understood that there was a greater presence 01:56:44.360 --> 01:56:49.360 of parents or caretakers that were actually 01:56:49.360 --> 01:56:51.680 taking their children to school, 01:56:51.680 --> 01:56:54.720 simply from the standpoint that they didn't want 01:56:54.720 --> 01:56:56.920 their children to be riding the school bus 01:56:56.920 --> 01:56:58.000 due to COVID. 01:56:58.000 --> 01:57:00.800 So definitely we had improvement measures 01:57:00.800 --> 01:57:02.960 that we were looking at, even making specifically 01:57:02.960 --> 01:57:04.960 around Hodge Elementary that we were gonna 01:57:04.960 --> 01:57:08.160 be coordinating with DISD on, even looking at, 01:57:08.160 --> 01:57:09.960 in some areas, some one-way traffic just 01:57:09.960 --> 01:57:12.920 to keep traffic flow during the school hours 01:57:12.920 --> 01:57:15.280 and putting up proper posting. 01:57:15.280 --> 01:57:18.840 What we decided and evaluated and made the decision 01:57:18.840 --> 01:57:22.080 to do is wait to see to the new school year, 01:57:22.080 --> 01:57:23.640 because it was something that was basically 01:57:23.640 --> 01:57:26.200 gonna be enacted for about six weeks, 01:57:26.200 --> 01:57:31.200 and knowing that the overall situation due to COVID, 01:57:31.200 --> 01:57:33.600 we were hoping to improve and change. 01:57:33.600 --> 01:57:36.320 And so when the new school year comes through, 01:57:36.320 --> 01:57:38.440 we are committed to looking at that, 01:57:38.440 --> 01:57:40.760 evaluating that if we need to perform additional 01:57:40.760 --> 01:57:43.640 studies in that area, traffic count studies, 01:57:43.640 --> 01:57:45.400 we will do so. 01:57:45.400 --> 01:57:48.640 And specifically regarding that development 01:57:48.640 --> 01:57:51.600 with the traffic impact analysis that was performed 01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:54.200 in that area, and this is some of the information 01:57:54.200 --> 01:57:56.880 that will be provided in that presentation 01:57:56.880 --> 01:57:57.920 with the development. 01:57:57.920 --> 01:58:01.560 There are measures that we have been working on, 01:58:01.560 --> 01:58:04.120 and Chandra's reviewed that traffic impact analysis 01:58:04.120 --> 01:58:06.920 three times, so they submitted three different times. 01:58:06.920 --> 01:58:09.200 And we did work through with them some improvement measures 01:58:09.200 --> 01:58:13.400 that could be made, such as additional turn, 01:58:13.400 --> 01:58:16.760 a left turn lane into that Deerwood area, 01:58:16.760 --> 01:58:19.400 along with we already knew we had the signal improvement, 01:58:19.400 --> 01:58:21.280 the pedestrian improvements in that area. 01:58:21.280 --> 01:58:25.520 So definitely something that's on our radar, 01:58:25.520 --> 01:58:27.760 but maybe was escalated due to the fact 01:58:27.760 --> 01:58:29.760 that there was a development in that area, 01:58:29.760 --> 01:58:31.760 if that helps answer the question. 01:58:31.760 --> 01:58:35.120 - Yep, and yes, it does. 01:58:35.120 --> 01:58:35.960 - Okay, good. 01:58:35.960 --> 01:58:40.440 - What it also points to, to me, 01:58:40.440 --> 01:58:45.160 is the fact that sometimes unless something 01:58:45.160 --> 01:58:47.440 is really screaming, flaming, and burning, 01:58:49.200 --> 01:58:52.000 the public comes to us en masse, 01:58:52.000 --> 01:58:54.680 it's not necessarily on our radar, 01:58:54.680 --> 01:58:56.960 but it may be on yours, but I'm wondering, 01:58:56.960 --> 01:59:00.080 are there other situations like that, 01:59:00.080 --> 01:59:02.880 that, you know, but for some new development, 01:59:02.880 --> 01:59:04.800 we might not hear about, you know, 01:59:04.800 --> 01:59:08.120 are we aware of the other Hodges, 01:59:08.120 --> 01:59:10.880 if there are any, around the city, 01:59:10.880 --> 01:59:15.600 so that, you know, we're kind of proactively on top of them? 01:59:15.600 --> 01:59:17.600 And how do we know? 01:59:17.600 --> 01:59:20.720 - So I think that kind of goes into 01:59:20.720 --> 01:59:22.600 not only looking at things 01:59:22.600 --> 01:59:23.720 when they're brought to our attention, 01:59:23.720 --> 01:59:27.160 either through an engaged in council request, 01:59:27.160 --> 01:59:31.200 a citizen request, or even something that we hear, 01:59:31.200 --> 01:59:32.960 you know, just from other individuals 01:59:32.960 --> 01:59:35.840 within other departments and other users 01:59:35.840 --> 01:59:38.480 of the roadway network system. 01:59:38.480 --> 01:59:42.200 I would say that we definitely look into different, 01:59:42.200 --> 01:59:45.000 whether it's a traffic impact analysis that needs to happen, 01:59:45.000 --> 01:59:47.160 or a traffic study, and we have a budget 01:59:47.160 --> 01:59:49.120 that's set aside, and you'll see even 01:59:49.120 --> 01:59:51.200 some supplemental requests when we present 01:59:51.200 --> 01:59:54.280 our operating budget to ask for additional funding, 01:59:54.280 --> 01:59:58.160 to look at particular areas of which we want to focus in on, 01:59:58.160 --> 01:59:59.800 or areas we want to improve. 01:59:59.800 --> 02:00:03.520 Ultimately, the solution is, such as you see the HSIP, 02:00:03.520 --> 02:00:05.640 to make some signal upgrades. 02:00:05.640 --> 02:00:08.960 There may be some other areas where turn lanes are needed, 02:00:08.960 --> 02:00:13.280 or, you know, striping signaling's needed. 02:00:13.280 --> 02:00:15.800 But ultimately, our goal is to turn those things 02:00:15.800 --> 02:00:18.000 into capital projects. 02:00:18.000 --> 02:00:20.240 If they are in coordination with a capital project, 02:00:20.240 --> 02:00:21.440 that's fantastic. 02:00:21.440 --> 02:00:23.360 If they need to be a standalone project 02:00:23.360 --> 02:00:24.720 to do intersection improvements, 02:00:24.720 --> 02:00:26.920 we have two currently that the project managers 02:00:26.920 --> 02:00:30.640 are delivering, one's the 2018, and one's the 2019. 02:00:30.640 --> 02:00:33.680 So definitely there's areas that we receive 02:00:33.680 --> 02:00:37.520 the heightened alert about, or we evaluate ourself. 02:00:37.520 --> 02:00:38.360 - That's really my question. 02:00:38.360 --> 02:00:41.920 It's not the response, which, you know, 02:00:43.440 --> 02:00:47.240 we're very systematic about, it's, 02:00:47.240 --> 02:00:49.640 how do we know, are we, you know, 02:00:49.640 --> 02:00:52.600 is there any way that we can know proactively without, 02:00:52.600 --> 02:00:54.040 you know, before people have to say, 02:00:54.040 --> 02:00:56.000 hey, aren't you aware that there's 02:00:56.000 --> 02:00:57.680 a screaming, burning, flaming problem, you know? 02:00:57.680 --> 02:01:01.000 - Sure, and I think that's where we take the mobility plan 02:01:01.000 --> 02:01:02.960 and look at those future roadway networks 02:01:02.960 --> 02:01:04.520 based on the land use assumptions, 02:01:04.520 --> 02:01:07.520 and that's why it's so important that the comp plan 02:01:07.520 --> 02:01:09.120 and those future land use assumptions 02:01:09.120 --> 02:01:11.080 take into consideration, you know, 02:01:11.080 --> 02:01:14.120 what is programmed for those land use assumptions, 02:01:14.120 --> 02:01:15.920 how we look at the roadway network 02:01:15.920 --> 02:01:18.640 that makes sense with those land use assumptions, 02:01:18.640 --> 02:01:20.400 and then evaluate those, and ultimately, 02:01:20.400 --> 02:01:22.520 our goal would be to take projects 02:01:22.520 --> 02:01:23.800 that are on the mobility plan 02:01:23.800 --> 02:01:26.440 and turn them into capital projects, 02:01:26.440 --> 02:01:29.160 and there are different studies and evaluations we do 02:01:29.160 --> 02:01:31.760 based on level of service, 02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:33.080 and those would be performed 02:01:33.080 --> 02:01:34.640 through a traffic impact analysis. 02:01:34.640 --> 02:01:38.120 So I will tell you, you know, certain areas 02:01:38.120 --> 02:01:42.800 that we see that need to have improvements made, 02:01:42.800 --> 02:01:44.760 many of the measures that will need to be made 02:01:44.760 --> 02:01:46.640 is either through a traffic impact analysis 02:01:46.640 --> 02:01:48.120 or an actual traffic study, 02:01:48.120 --> 02:01:50.640 and we are proactively looking at those 02:01:50.640 --> 02:01:53.080 and working through then trying to put them 02:01:53.080 --> 02:01:54.560 into an actual project. 02:01:54.560 --> 02:01:57.240 Westgate is another example of an area 02:01:57.240 --> 02:01:59.040 where we are looking at 02:01:59.040 --> 02:02:00.720 what are improvements that need to be made, 02:02:00.720 --> 02:02:02.880 how do we conform to the mobility plan, 02:02:02.880 --> 02:02:06.640 you know, what does the traffic impact analysis show 02:02:06.640 --> 02:02:08.960 or the traffic studies show in this area? 02:02:08.960 --> 02:02:10.520 - Well, I'm gonna take inspiration 02:02:10.520 --> 02:02:13.000 from Council Member McGuire being willing to tee up, 02:02:13.000 --> 02:02:15.200 you know, a potentially harebrained thought. 02:02:15.200 --> 02:02:16.040 (laughing) 02:02:16.040 --> 02:02:16.880 - Sure. 02:02:16.880 --> 02:02:17.720 - And, you know, maybe, you know, 02:02:17.720 --> 02:02:21.880 you can build onto it into a reasonable one. 02:02:21.880 --> 02:02:24.520 You know, if we had chopper seven, 02:02:24.520 --> 02:02:26.640 you know, traffic on the ones or whatever, 02:02:26.640 --> 02:02:28.680 and then we'd hear about all the time 02:02:28.680 --> 02:02:31.440 where the pileups are, but we don't. 02:02:31.440 --> 02:02:32.600 We're not that big yet. 02:02:34.000 --> 02:02:37.960 - The harebrained ideas, you know, 02:02:37.960 --> 02:02:42.720 would it ever make sense to fly a drone around 02:02:42.720 --> 02:02:47.720 during peak traffic times and see empirically 02:02:47.720 --> 02:02:50.360 where problems seem to be? 02:02:50.360 --> 02:02:53.360 - Definitely. 02:02:53.360 --> 02:02:55.760 - Do you agree that that is harebrained sounding? 02:02:55.760 --> 02:02:56.600 - Oh, no, sir. 02:02:56.600 --> 02:02:59.480 I'm not ever gonna say any idea you have is harebrained. 02:02:59.480 --> 02:03:03.080 But I definitely do know that we have drones 02:03:03.080 --> 02:03:06.320 within the city of Denton and licensed drone operators. 02:03:06.320 --> 02:03:09.960 I think that's something that we could get an evaluation, 02:03:09.960 --> 02:03:11.600 I think, to get the actual data 02:03:11.600 --> 02:03:14.040 that we would need to make the determination. 02:03:14.040 --> 02:03:17.480 It's in our best interest to perform a traffic study 02:03:17.480 --> 02:03:19.040 because it looks at the counts, but I think-- 02:03:19.040 --> 02:03:23.240 - I mean, to give you, you know, clues where to look. 02:03:23.240 --> 02:03:24.080 - Sure, sure. 02:03:24.080 --> 02:03:26.640 And I will tell you too, ultimately, our goal, 02:03:26.640 --> 02:03:29.280 you heard me mention the sidewalk work plan. 02:03:29.280 --> 02:03:31.820 Ultimately, our goal is also to have work plans 02:03:31.820 --> 02:03:34.640 for all those different areas and then, you know, 02:03:34.640 --> 02:03:36.760 have all of the different needs, 02:03:36.760 --> 02:03:38.620 whether it be intersection improvements, 02:03:38.620 --> 02:03:41.960 whether it be sidewalk, whether it be bike lane, 02:03:41.960 --> 02:03:45.820 use the mobility plan and those different sidewalk, 02:03:45.820 --> 02:03:50.400 bicycle and thoroughfare plans within the mobility plan 02:03:50.400 --> 02:03:51.840 as kind of that planning tool, 02:03:51.840 --> 02:03:54.120 but then ultimately taking it from that, 02:03:54.120 --> 02:03:55.960 putting it in an actual work plan 02:03:55.960 --> 02:03:59.040 with a programmatic approach as to how we execute those 02:03:59.040 --> 02:04:01.480 and then actually completing those projects. 02:04:01.480 --> 02:04:04.220 So I don't think it's a bad idea at all 02:04:04.220 --> 02:04:08.280 and I know I'm more than happy to talk to Chandra about it. 02:04:08.280 --> 02:04:10.800 I know Chandra and I are aware of several intersections 02:04:10.800 --> 02:04:12.920 that we already have concerns about 02:04:12.920 --> 02:04:16.400 and so that's what we're doing is looking at 02:04:16.400 --> 02:04:18.040 how do we make improvements to those 02:04:18.040 --> 02:04:21.320 and I would say many of these intersections 02:04:21.320 --> 02:04:24.200 are being improved through the HSIP program 02:04:24.200 --> 02:04:25.520 'cause there are a handful of them 02:04:25.520 --> 02:04:26.920 that are already under construction 02:04:26.920 --> 02:04:30.500 and then even a few more that we are seeing come through. 02:04:30.500 --> 02:04:32.920 So I guess the other thing I would mention 02:04:32.920 --> 02:04:35.480 is once the land use assumptions are completed 02:04:35.480 --> 02:04:37.160 from the comp plan and we can work 02:04:37.160 --> 02:04:39.180 to finalize the mobility plan, 02:04:39.180 --> 02:04:42.640 we can also look at what is the existing roadway system, 02:04:42.640 --> 02:04:46.360 network on a specific roadway and what is it to be 02:04:46.360 --> 02:04:49.420 and when is that timing so we can work on planning 02:04:49.420 --> 02:04:51.280 that in more of a capital perspective 02:04:51.280 --> 02:04:56.000 because that also impacts utilities, sidewalk, street light, 02:04:56.000 --> 02:04:57.560 there's a whole lot of things that go into that 02:04:57.560 --> 02:05:00.720 and that'll help us package up and plan those projects so. 02:05:00.720 --> 02:05:03.640 - I have one more. - Sure. 02:05:03.640 --> 02:05:06.480 - I know this item's been running long, we're almost out. 02:05:06.480 --> 02:05:14.920 I think it's gonna be really annoying to the public 02:05:14.920 --> 02:05:20.040 to see Elm, was it Elm and Locust 02:05:20.040 --> 02:05:21.520 that have to get mill and overlay 02:05:21.520 --> 02:05:22.640 and then undone and reconstructed? 02:05:22.640 --> 02:05:23.480 - Yes sir. 02:05:24.620 --> 02:05:28.480 And I don't have a solution, 02:05:28.480 --> 02:05:33.480 but my request is for at least a conversation to occur, 02:05:33.480 --> 02:05:38.360 but this is sort of like your kind of CIP planning project 02:05:38.360 --> 02:05:39.840 that you're doing, but to have a conversation occur 02:05:39.840 --> 02:05:42.840 between y'all and public communications 02:05:42.840 --> 02:05:44.640 about how to communicate to the public. 02:05:44.640 --> 02:05:48.880 It is bound to just really make people nuts 02:05:48.880 --> 02:05:51.600 when they see it fixed and then undone and then done again. 02:05:51.600 --> 02:05:54.480 And I think just kinda looking the other way 02:05:54.480 --> 02:05:57.240 is probably not the right answer, it might be, 02:05:57.240 --> 02:05:59.280 but I think a conversation oughta happen. 02:05:59.280 --> 02:06:02.480 That's the last one I have on that. 02:06:02.480 --> 02:06:05.080 So anyone else have anything on the additional items? 02:06:05.080 --> 02:06:11.200 - I just have a comment on the Hodge Elementary situation. 02:06:11.200 --> 02:06:13.360 - Yes ma'am. 02:06:13.360 --> 02:06:16.240 - It just so happens that I'm a substitute teacher, 02:06:16.240 --> 02:06:19.000 a retired teacher and started studying 02:06:19.000 --> 02:06:22.160 and Hodge Elementary is one of my preferred schools 02:06:22.160 --> 02:06:27.160 to go to, so I've had opportunities to put kids in cars. 02:06:27.160 --> 02:06:30.000 Being a teacher, you go out there 02:06:30.000 --> 02:06:32.200 and you load the kids up and everything. 02:06:32.200 --> 02:06:37.200 And it is a revelation that it was more so of a problem 02:06:37.200 --> 02:06:43.840 because of the COVID than it is on any other regular day 02:06:43.840 --> 02:06:47.520 that I've experienced going there. 02:06:47.520 --> 02:06:51.000 I probably go to that school more 02:06:51.000 --> 02:06:55.440 than any other school that I attend, I like that school. 02:06:55.440 --> 02:07:00.200 And it's still the same way, it's still a long, 02:07:00.200 --> 02:07:04.020 it's a backup all the way, like what we saw, 02:07:04.020 --> 02:07:08.400 but I don't think that it was something that extensive. 02:07:08.400 --> 02:07:10.680 So that's probably why we hadn't heard about it. 02:07:10.680 --> 02:07:13.960 Because the parents were used to just kinda being in line, 02:07:13.960 --> 02:07:15.960 but the line flowed. 02:07:15.960 --> 02:07:18.440 You know, as the kids were getting into the cars, 02:07:18.440 --> 02:07:20.920 they always made sure that those kids were ready 02:07:20.920 --> 02:07:24.280 to hop in those cars when the parents pulled up. 02:07:24.280 --> 02:07:28.240 So, but it is, it should have been, 02:07:28.240 --> 02:07:31.040 should have been looked at a long time ago. 02:07:31.040 --> 02:07:35.640 But I think because of the parents bringing the kids, 02:07:35.640 --> 02:07:38.480 you know, more so now because of the COVID situation, 02:07:38.480 --> 02:07:40.360 that that's what we saw. 02:07:40.360 --> 02:07:44.320 So I'm glad, I'm just glad we just finally addressing that 02:07:44.320 --> 02:07:48.040 and also connecting with the school 02:07:48.040 --> 02:07:51.480 and Didn't ISD to even make some different kind 02:07:51.480 --> 02:07:55.440 of arrangements as to how they put the kids in the cars. 02:07:55.440 --> 02:07:57.320 I don't know if they can go around the school 02:07:57.320 --> 02:08:01.000 or change the bus section to the, 02:08:01.000 --> 02:08:02.400 'cause you notice the buses were coming 02:08:02.400 --> 02:08:04.700 from a different direction than the cars, 02:08:04.700 --> 02:08:06.680 you know, coming back out of the neighborhood. 02:08:06.680 --> 02:08:08.720 So maybe that might need to be adjusted. 02:08:08.720 --> 02:08:12.040 I'm not sure how you all or if you all are, 02:08:12.040 --> 02:08:15.360 I'm sure you gotta be sitting down with Didn't ISD 02:08:15.360 --> 02:08:19.320 and the school itself to see how that might be rerouted 02:08:19.320 --> 02:08:21.840 as well, so they, anything can help. 02:08:21.840 --> 02:08:24.680 But I just wanted to just, you know, put that in, 02:08:24.680 --> 02:08:28.740 put that on the table that it does still get backed up 02:08:28.740 --> 02:08:30.240 even if it wasn't COVID. 02:08:30.240 --> 02:08:31.080 - Oh sure. 02:08:31.080 --> 02:08:33.160 - But not to that extent that we saw 02:08:33.160 --> 02:08:35.000 with cars driving on sidewalks 02:08:35.000 --> 02:08:37.840 because they're frustrated about waiting. 02:08:37.840 --> 02:08:41.560 - Sure, and I understand that and I would say that 02:08:43.720 --> 02:08:47.960 overall when individuals are picking their children 02:08:47.960 --> 02:08:50.680 up from school, there's always going to be a line of cars. 02:08:50.680 --> 02:08:53.640 I mean, I've experienced that myself with my own children. 02:08:53.640 --> 02:08:56.400 And so, you know, I think the fact of the matter is, 02:08:56.400 --> 02:08:59.960 is that for a short period of time, you know, 02:08:59.960 --> 02:09:04.000 but is it to a level that is something 02:09:04.000 --> 02:09:07.600 that there is a actual transportation issue 02:09:07.600 --> 02:09:08.960 that can be resolved? 02:09:08.960 --> 02:09:11.520 And that's really what we're most interested in 02:09:11.520 --> 02:09:13.640 as we know school is gonna be starting back up 02:09:13.640 --> 02:09:16.720 in a few weeks and doing that evaluation. 02:09:16.720 --> 02:09:18.960 So, you know, seeing if there's anything 02:09:18.960 --> 02:09:22.600 and Chandra had already come up with a great plan 02:09:22.600 --> 02:09:24.200 to look at some one-way traffic 02:09:24.200 --> 02:09:27.000 and we do meet with DISD monthly. 02:09:27.000 --> 02:09:28.680 And so those are definitely things 02:09:28.680 --> 02:09:30.200 that we will bring to their attention 02:09:30.200 --> 02:09:34.680 once we have additional data to show that that is a need, 02:09:34.680 --> 02:09:36.620 but we're really waiting to see kind of what happens 02:09:36.620 --> 02:09:37.460 with the COVID. 02:09:37.460 --> 02:09:42.460 So, and Chair, I wanted to bring up to you 02:09:43.080 --> 02:09:46.600 to I do understand your concern about Elm and Locust. 02:09:46.600 --> 02:09:50.120 I think from the city staff concern 02:09:50.120 --> 02:09:55.120 is that currently that reconstruction is not programmed 02:09:55.120 --> 02:09:58.600 and they're looking at ways to evaluate that 02:09:58.600 --> 02:10:02.440 and ways to actually do the project that was to be, 02:10:02.440 --> 02:10:06.080 to happen with that final reconstruction. 02:10:06.080 --> 02:10:09.400 And I do understand that there will be public outreach 02:10:09.400 --> 02:10:10.240 that's needed. 02:10:10.240 --> 02:10:11.940 I think from a city staff perspective, 02:10:11.940 --> 02:10:14.680 we're more concerned about the fact 02:10:14.680 --> 02:10:17.180 that that roadway could stay in existing condition 02:10:17.180 --> 02:10:19.880 and if a mill and overlay did not happen, 02:10:19.880 --> 02:10:22.920 it could be a year in order for that project 02:10:22.920 --> 02:10:24.240 to be able to be designed 02:10:24.240 --> 02:10:26.320 and then work through the bidding process, 02:10:26.320 --> 02:10:28.440 funding process and construction. 02:10:28.440 --> 02:10:33.440 So although the stop gap may not be the solution 02:10:33.440 --> 02:10:36.700 that would have been preferred from our perspective, 02:10:36.700 --> 02:10:38.720 we are more concerned about the fact 02:10:38.720 --> 02:10:41.160 that that roadway will be in a state of disrepair 02:10:41.160 --> 02:10:42.600 for a longer period of time. 02:10:42.600 --> 02:10:44.660 So that was really an interim step. 02:10:44.660 --> 02:10:46.600 - Not mutually exclusive to do the right thing 02:10:46.600 --> 02:10:48.600 and have good communication about it, right? 02:10:48.600 --> 02:10:50.760 - Yeah, no, and I think that would be our goal 02:10:50.760 --> 02:10:52.440 is to be able to communicate 02:10:52.440 --> 02:10:54.560 and really honestly, that's our goal with everything 02:10:54.560 --> 02:10:59.000 because even temporary patch that's put down many times 02:10:59.000 --> 02:11:01.080 or permanent patch that's put down is torn back up 02:11:01.080 --> 02:11:02.560 and then a roadway is reconstructed 02:11:02.560 --> 02:11:04.880 and a lot of that just goes for the education piece. 02:11:04.880 --> 02:11:07.080 So I'm definitely happy to look into, 02:11:07.080 --> 02:11:08.980 just wanted to let you know that the timing 02:11:08.980 --> 02:11:11.080 is really what is more of our concern. 02:11:11.080 --> 02:11:12.680 And wanna make sure that that's addressed 02:11:12.680 --> 02:11:15.160 because if not, I know it's going to be something 02:11:15.160 --> 02:11:18.240 that we definitely are going to hear about 02:11:18.240 --> 02:11:20.400 and we want to take the opportunity 02:11:20.400 --> 02:11:22.240 to work with TxDOT to try to address. 02:11:22.240 --> 02:11:25.720 - I remembered what I was gonna say. 02:11:25.720 --> 02:11:27.040 - Sure. - It was about OCI. 02:11:27.040 --> 02:11:28.840 I had wanted to acknowledge 02:11:28.840 --> 02:11:31.400 that in terms of Pennsylvania Drive, 02:11:31.400 --> 02:11:36.120 I'm sure like OCI, it's not a super high priority. 02:11:36.120 --> 02:11:39.720 But I was just using that as an example of, 02:11:39.720 --> 02:11:42.720 you know, I'd like to see us considering, 02:11:42.720 --> 02:11:47.080 especially with those older residential streets, 02:11:47.080 --> 02:11:49.040 the possibility of narrowing them 02:11:49.040 --> 02:11:50.960 as like a traffic calming measure 02:11:50.960 --> 02:11:53.520 and as a way to make them more pedestrian friendly. 02:11:53.520 --> 02:11:56.800 - Awesome, I appreciate that update. 02:11:56.800 --> 02:12:00.160 - We all good on the future items? 02:12:00.160 --> 02:12:04.160 Yep, so we're on to concluding items. 02:12:04.160 --> 02:12:07.500 Anyone else have any concluding items? 02:12:09.840 --> 02:12:11.080 (indistinct) 02:12:11.080 --> 02:12:12.280 - Okay, I have two. 02:12:12.280 --> 02:12:19.640 First, I wanna thank City Engineer DeViney 02:12:19.640 --> 02:12:22.720 and whatever her incredibly long title is, 02:12:22.720 --> 02:12:27.720 Rachel, for helping on my town hall 02:12:27.720 --> 02:12:32.280 and fielding questions on the spot about this stuff. 02:12:32.280 --> 02:12:34.520 That's how you know that people go nuts 02:12:34.520 --> 02:12:37.240 about things getting done twice. 02:12:37.240 --> 02:12:40.720 But super job and second item is, 02:12:40.720 --> 02:12:45.560 comments have been made regarding 02:12:45.560 --> 02:12:47.160 the special session that we had. 02:12:47.160 --> 02:12:52.160 And I just want to underscore my view 02:12:52.160 --> 02:12:56.600 that first of all is terrific management 02:12:56.600 --> 02:13:01.160 of the process from staff to have there be a way 02:13:01.160 --> 02:13:04.920 for council to express as a body, 02:13:04.920 --> 02:13:08.440 you know, our guidance to our DCTA rep. 02:13:08.440 --> 02:13:13.440 And furthermore, I just think you did an outstanding job 02:13:13.440 --> 02:13:15.400 of managing the special session. 02:13:15.400 --> 02:13:19.320 It's not an unusual, it was not a usual situation. 02:13:19.320 --> 02:13:20.880 It was a special situation. 02:13:20.880 --> 02:13:25.880 And I would say that when it's sort of high stake stuff 02:13:25.880 --> 02:13:29.480 that really matters and there's time pressure on it, 02:13:29.480 --> 02:13:33.040 what that looks like, having spent 30 years 02:13:33.040 --> 02:13:34.040 in the private sector, I would say 02:13:34.040 --> 02:13:36.880 that looks like work, that's how work looks. 02:13:36.880 --> 02:13:39.600 That's how teamwork looks when it's done. 02:13:39.600 --> 02:13:42.200 It's really hard and complicated 02:13:42.200 --> 02:13:45.880 and takes a lot of focus and you just did great. 02:13:45.880 --> 02:13:48.160 And I think the proof is in the pudding 02:13:48.160 --> 02:13:50.320 that there was a very clear communication 02:13:50.320 --> 02:13:53.800 to council of the intention and it ultimately 02:13:53.800 --> 02:13:56.800 achieved a super majority so they were able to vote on it. 02:13:56.800 --> 02:14:00.160 So thank you very much for working in an unusual way 02:14:00.160 --> 02:14:01.880 and I underscore the word working. 02:14:01.880 --> 02:14:03.960 Not always comfortable, that's what work looks like. 02:14:03.960 --> 02:14:05.080 - Thank you. 02:14:05.080 --> 02:14:06.960 With that, I'll close the meeting. 02:14:06.960 --> 02:14:08.920 Thank you, we're adjourning at 11.15.