1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,840 - Good morning and welcome to this meeting 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,240 of the Mobility Committee. 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,100 We have a quorum present and we'll dig right 4 00:00:08,100 --> 00:00:09,600 into the agenda. 5 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,700 First item for individual consideration is item A, 6 00:00:12,700 --> 00:00:15,560 MC21-025, consider approval of the minutes 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,500 of June 16th, 2021 and June 29th, 2021. 8 00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:19,760 I'll entertain a motion. 9 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,880 - Motion to approve. 10 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,120 - You need to use your mic, Council Member. 11 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,320 - Motion to approve. 12 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:27,540 - And we have a second. 13 00:00:27,540 --> 00:00:28,380 - I second. 14 00:00:28,380 --> 00:00:29,760 - All in favor, aye. 15 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:30,600 - Aye. 16 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,240 - Okay, the minutes are approved. 17 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,880 And item B, MC21-026, receive a report 18 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:38,920 and hold the discussion regarding 19 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,960 City of Denton Transportation/Mobility Project 20 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,240 status report. 21 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:48,200 Title of that thing gets longer and longer. 22 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:54,720 Good morning, Mr. Poulster. 23 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:55,560 - Good morning. 24 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:03,040 - All right. 25 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:17,560 Good morning, my name is John Poulster 26 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,440 with the Innovative Transportation Solutions 27 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,680 and I'll be providing you guys with a update 28 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:26,680 on the city's on-system projects throughout the community. 29 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,040 So this sheet shows the dollar amounts of the total 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:41,760 of the projects that are construction costs 31 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,200 that are being tracked by our firm 32 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,680 with the city staff that impact the residents 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,960 on mostly on-system projects. 34 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,000 So those are the dollars that we either have committed 35 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,500 to a project from the state or in the feds 36 00:01:57,500 --> 00:01:58,340 or we'll get. 37 00:01:58,340 --> 00:02:03,680 So the first project is 2181 North-South 38 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,560 from essentially 2499 in the South 39 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,520 up to Lillian Miller to the North. 40 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,780 The construction report is provided 41 00:02:12,780 --> 00:02:14,440 on each of these projects 42 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,360 that have construction work going on. 43 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,160 Right now, 2181 is working mostly 44 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,840 with subgrade improvements, 45 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,120 pavement, subgrade improvements, 46 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,180 and then laying of concrete. 47 00:02:33,180 --> 00:02:37,240 We've got some minor utility conflicts that occur 48 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,960 as we go through the process. 49 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,640 They're just essentially utilities 50 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:44,860 that were not where they were said to be on the plans, 51 00:02:44,860 --> 00:02:47,920 but they are not things that are really impacting 52 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:49,800 the schedule of the project. 53 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,560 And currently we're still on track 54 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,780 for summer of next year to be completed with this project. 55 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:01,720 Your Mayhill 35E project, this project, 56 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,240 you note that for those of you who are seeing these reports 57 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,320 for the second or third time, 58 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,200 the yellow items that have changed 59 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,280 from the last time you saw the report. 60 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,980 So the schedule has been modified 61 00:03:15,980 --> 00:03:20,760 to reflect the completion of the utilities 62 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,360 in September of 23, and that was pushed 63 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,800 because we had to add about four parcels 64 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,400 to this project because we're adding 65 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,040 that direct connect ramp on Brinker 66 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,000 so that you don't have to stop at the signal. 67 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,520 So that pushed the schedule out to September 23. 68 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,860 The funding for this project is in place, 69 00:03:41,860 --> 00:03:45,720 and we're working with several utilities, 70 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,240 everything you see there on that list 71 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,640 are all the utilities we're working with 72 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,240 to get out of the way essentially for that project 73 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,440 so that we can construct it in September of 23. 74 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,400 So the interim improvements, 75 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,160 we met with TechStat last week, 76 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,040 and they are going to use one of their maintenance contracts 77 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,280 to essentially, the reason the barrels are still out there 78 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,320 is there's two lanes that come up from the frontage road 79 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,680 to where Calloways is, but when you get to the intersection, 80 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,780 it's a right only, so they're gonna stripe off 81 00:04:20,780 --> 00:04:24,120 the hatch stripes so that it narrows it down 82 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,760 to one lane before you get to that turn. 83 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,320 So that everybody knows it's only one lane now. 84 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,360 So as soon as that striping is done, 85 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,160 the barrels will be pulled up and it'll be essentially, 86 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,920 this interim project will be done. 87 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:42,700 Yes ma'am, that was the improvement, 88 00:04:42,700 --> 00:04:46,280 was to put the bollards up and to make it a right turn only, 89 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:47,800 and they were able to get that done quickly 90 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,560 to stop the movement, but we need to get the traffic control 91 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,800 and the striping done to fit the situation now. 92 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,300 And once we get that done, we'll pull the barrels. 93 00:04:58,300 --> 00:05:04,800 Okay, the Big Kahuna, I don't know why I keep doing that. 94 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:10,520 So this project is the project from the two merges 95 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,860 all the way up to 77. 96 00:05:13,860 --> 00:05:16,980 The critical path item on this project are the utilities, 97 00:05:16,980 --> 00:05:20,960 and we are working with TechStat on a, 98 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,880 I would say bi-weekly basis to coordinate the city's 99 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,600 utility issues and DME to make sure that we're, 100 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,960 the project is accommodating the utilities 101 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,640 and the utilities are working with the project 102 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:37,800 as best we can. 103 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,760 And so for example, up there at the Presbyterian Hospital, 104 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,440 we're working with DME to, 105 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,200 'cause the transmission line crosses there at Oak, 106 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,440 and we're rebuilding that interchange. 107 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,800 And so that utility has to move 108 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:53,960 so we can do that interchange. 109 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,960 And so we're working with DME, the hospital and the county 110 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,260 to coordinate those efforts. 111 00:05:59,260 --> 00:06:02,360 So there's an ongoing full court press 112 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,440 between the city and the county and the state 113 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,300 to make sure that the utilities in this corridor 114 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:10,000 do get completed by the August 23, 115 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,520 because that's the critical path item on this project. 116 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,920 Again, fully funded, 117 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,240 just waiting for the utilities to be acquired. 118 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,680 The new right away is essentially completed. 119 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:21,920 There's a couple of parcels 120 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,480 that have been negotiated and approved, 121 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,920 but we have to wait till the new fiscal year 122 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,620 before we can actually pay them, 123 00:06:30,620 --> 00:06:33,380 because the state ran out of right away money 124 00:06:33,380 --> 00:06:35,080 for this fiscal year. 125 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:36,860 So essentially it's done, 126 00:06:36,860 --> 00:06:41,320 but they won't close those documents until October. 127 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:49,560 So good news is 380 improvements was let on July 2nd. 128 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,000 Jago Public got it. 129 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,880 That's 120 working days. 130 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,560 And so technically they have till January 22 to get that. 131 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,560 So it's about six months to get all those improvements done, 132 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,960 but we think it'll be more closer to December 133 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,200 for a substantially complete, 134 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,200 which means that they're still working 135 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,660 on the contract punch list items, 136 00:07:08,660 --> 00:07:11,260 but we're driving on it the way we wanna drive on it. 137 00:07:11,260 --> 00:07:14,960 So that should do a lot to solve a lot of the problems 138 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,920 in that part of the city. 139 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,840 - So December 22, 2022. 140 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,640 - Six months, let's do it that way. 141 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,340 - Yeah, which six months, okay. 142 00:07:25,340 --> 00:07:28,040 - This six months from now till December 21, 143 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,560 maybe January 22. 144 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,920 - That's great, I appreciate the focus on that. 145 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:37,040 - City, your staff really pushed the issue 146 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,440 and also was part of the solution for solving the problem. 147 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,040 And so they really need to be appreciative of that 148 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,480 'cause they really didn't get in with their sleeves rolled up 149 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:47,760 to resolve that problem. 150 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,240 You bet. 151 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:59,280 - Thank you for the reminder. 152 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,320 Would you, for the people that are looking, 153 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:03,880 explain that picture. 154 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,640 What is all this red and excellent, 155 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,520 I mean, Xs and stripes? 156 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,240 - Okay, so what we're showing you there 157 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,280 is a snapshot of the northern part of the project. 158 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,440 But the project goes from essentially scripture 159 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,680 all the way up to 380. 160 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,520 But if we showed you the whole drawing, 161 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,680 it would be so small you couldn't see any of the details. 162 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:26,960 So to keep it on one page, 163 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,400 we're just showing you the intersection. 164 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,820 But essentially what you have right now 165 00:08:30,820 --> 00:08:34,800 is you enter the freeway north of scripture 166 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,960 and you exit the freeway just south of 380, 167 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,400 right at the intersection, right? 168 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,600 Which we exit right there. 169 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,720 What we're doing is flipping that process 170 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,320 where we're gonna exit down further south 171 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,040 and you're gonna enter where the exit ramp is. 172 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,880 And so if you look at the drawing here, 173 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:58,760 that exit ramp is the hatch part where you see 174 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,320 that goes from main lanes to the frontage road. 175 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,160 That's coming out. 176 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,480 That's where the current ramp is now. 177 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,560 And then the red line's going from the frontage road 178 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:10,520 to the freeway is the on ramp that we're putting 179 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,920 on the project so that you can get on the freeway. 180 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,840 And then the red you see on the frontage road 181 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,840 just south of that old curve is where we're adding pavement 182 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:27,560 so that when you get to the intersection at the 380 and 35, 183 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:32,800 you'll be able to have a longer right turn bay 184 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,040 to transition so you're out of the through traffic. 185 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,120 And then we're taking that nose 186 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,680 at the end of the frontage road at the intersection. 187 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:44,640 We're taking that out so it'll allow for a dual left, 188 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,160 which you currently already have a left and a through left. 189 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,960 It'll allow us to have two dual lefts and then two throughs. 190 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,920 So that'll also put more traffic through the intersection. 191 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,040 So we're improving the intersection to have more capacity. 192 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:03,040 We are flipping the ramps so that you get off further south 193 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,600 and all your weaving and merging happens 194 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,040 on the frontage road at lower speeds 195 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,160 and up on the main lanes. 196 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,400 And then we're adding an auxiliary lane 197 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,200 on the frontage road because we're taking the off ramp 198 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,800 off further south, we're adding another lane 199 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,480 so that there'll be three lanes of frontage 200 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:20,720 on the frontage road. 201 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,040 And then we're adding an auxiliary lane on the main lanes 202 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,680 because right now, when you come up 35W, 203 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:28,680 you've got two lanes that merges over that bridge 204 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:31,360 down to one, it's striped. 205 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,720 And then you have to get on the freeway as a single lane. 206 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,160 That bridge is built for two lanes. 207 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,920 So if we add the auxiliary up through this intersection, 208 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,720 then 35W will have two lanes coming up 209 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,120 across the bridge and onto the highway. 210 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,040 So it gets through that funnel at 35W 211 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,080 and it takes all the merge and weave 212 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,600 and puts it on the frontage road. 213 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,680 - And Mr. Poulster, Council Member Byrd, 214 00:10:56,680 --> 00:11:00,000 I just wanted to add that city staff has been working 215 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,440 on some graphics that are, you know, 216 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,240 a little bit more simplified that help explain 217 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:07,560 kind of what's going on in this area. 218 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:10,040 I realize this is a fairly detailed drawing 219 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,960 and John did an excellent job of explaining it, 220 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,120 but it is a little bit difficult to understand. 221 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,360 And so we are working on that in collaboration 222 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,320 with Public Affairs, also TxDOT, 223 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,280 and then also our Economic Development Department. 224 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,440 And we are going to be posting that information 225 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:26,280 on the website. 226 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,440 So there's gonna be additional information 227 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,320 that's gonna be available and we'll make sure 228 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,200 that y'all are aware of those locations. 229 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,120 You know, we did have a meeting last Friday 230 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,080 to talk through those specific logistics 231 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,600 just to help in that nature. 232 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:38,680 - Thank you very much. 233 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:41,520 I mean, I have one question and me personally, 234 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:46,520 I'm curious about is how does a decision made 235 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:52,080 to create a U-turn versus a non U-turn 236 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,240 at a major intersection like that? 237 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:56,800 - So-- 238 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,800 - 'Cause I don't believe that intersection has a U-turn. 239 00:11:58,800 --> 00:11:59,640 - It does. 240 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:00,480 - Oh, it does, okay. 241 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,400 - It does, you just can't get to it 242 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,600 because there's no transition or de-cell lane there. 243 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,480 It's just, you're waiting in line 244 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,480 for your chance to either go left or make the U-turn. 245 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:11,840 - Okay. 246 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,440 - So the answer is, is in the past, 247 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,240 they would put Texas U-turns where they were warranted. 248 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,280 Now, every interchange that the state does 249 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:21,720 has Texas U-turns in them. 250 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,440 So as you upgrade a project, they use the new paradigm 251 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,440 and they come in with the new Texas use. 252 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,200 - Someday you'll explain to me why that's only in Texas. 253 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,780 - Well, Texas is, I think, one of the only states, 254 00:12:36,780 --> 00:12:39,280 if not the only state that does have frontage roads 255 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,560 and that takes one movement out of the intersection 256 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:47,840 if you have the U-turn and if you have frontage roads, 257 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,480 you need to separate the turning movements. 258 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,720 Most states don't have frontage roads, 259 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,720 but that's why Texas has a better economy the most 260 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,000 'cause we have more development. 261 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,200 Whether you think that's good or bad, 262 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,600 I'm just saying we got it. 263 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:06,600 I've been married a long time. 264 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:11,100 All right, 35 North, this is a project from 377 265 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:13,680 all the way out to the county line. 266 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:16,320 They are gonna be building it in three segments 267 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,320 and they think it's pretty close to what you see 268 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:19,600 on the color scheme. 269 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,000 And that only is because they wanna keep 270 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,160 the dollar amounts per contract at a certain level 271 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,680 because it allows a broader spectrum of contractors 272 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:31,080 to bid on it. 273 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,240 And we're moving towards a ready-to-let of December 23 274 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,440 and we're still on track for that. 275 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:43,420 The U35W main lanes, again, 276 00:13:43,420 --> 00:13:45,060 we're awaiting environmental clearance. 277 00:13:45,060 --> 00:13:47,320 We think we're actually gonna get it this month 278 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,200 because all we were actually waiting for is conformity 279 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,640 to be approved and what conformity is 280 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,120 is there's the Clean Air Act 281 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,080 and then there's the National Environmental Protection Act 282 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,640 for environmental issues. 283 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:09,320 And what conformity requires is for your transportation plan 284 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,400 to conform to the concepts and ideas and visions 285 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,400 that are included in NEPA and the Clean Air Act. 286 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,000 So for example, in North Texas, 287 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,500 we have a 10 county area that's in non-attainment 288 00:14:24,500 --> 00:14:25,340 for air quality. 289 00:14:25,340 --> 00:14:27,600 And so you have to do certain things. 290 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,200 And one of those things you have to do is make sure 291 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,160 that whatever transportation system you're putting 292 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:37,160 on the ground in the next 20 years has a budget, 293 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:44,040 an emissions budget below the budget set by Clean Air Act. 294 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,720 And so you have to, whenever you add a project 295 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,040 to the system, you have to go through this air quality 296 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,880 process to determine that the vehicle, 297 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,080 the fault organic compounds or VOC emissions 298 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,920 are below a certain threshold of so many tons per day. 299 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,840 And that whole process is called conformity. 300 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,400 So we got conformity approval, 301 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,280 which means that at the end of the month, 302 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,160 the feds will give us an environmental clearance, 303 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,320 which means that it actually doesn't mean anything 304 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,680 because if you look on the next page, 305 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:23,160 we've already got the exact same footprint cleared 306 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,000 back on June 30th of 2020 for the frontage roads, 307 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,640 which is the furthest part out on the project. 308 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,400 So we've already got the footprint cleared 309 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,840 and they're already acquiring right away. 310 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,600 And this may be a good time to stop and note that 311 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:42,960 the Houston folks filed lawsuit against TechStop 312 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,280 on what they wanna do for the North Houston 313 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,200 Highway Improvement Program in their city and county. 314 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,960 So TechStop, being the accommodating folks that they are, 315 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,920 decided to take $3 billion back from them 316 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,320 and they're gonna reallocate that to other projects 317 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,320 in the state 'cause they still have to spend the money. 318 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,660 So North Texas is the largest metropolitan area, 319 00:16:06,660 --> 00:16:09,480 even larger than Houston. 320 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,440 And we've got the most number of projects 321 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,360 that are eligible for the criteria that's set 322 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,240 for that 3 billion and the frontage road project 323 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,360 has been submitted to the commission 324 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:25,040 for consideration of funding in the next 18 months or so. 325 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,640 So we're acquiring right away now. 326 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,040 If we don't get the full dollar amount, 327 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,400 we will work with TechStop Dallas and headquarters 328 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,720 to at least get some partial funding on it 329 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,760 to do the frontage roads from roughly 407 North 330 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:47,320 to the city of Denton-Wishbone. 331 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,360 So these dates are critical for us to continue 332 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,140 to hit the March 23 and June 24. 333 00:16:56,140 --> 00:17:02,600 Now your US 377 project, this is a project 334 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,400 that is under construction with TechStop. 335 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,640 We've been doing some work on changeable message signs 336 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,880 to really push people to slow down. 337 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:16,880 What was gonna actually help solve the safety issue 338 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:21,880 with the road is when we can get a center temporary barrier 339 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,880 up because most of the accidents that have happened 340 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,000 out there have been crossover accidents. 341 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,960 But what they have to do first is those bridges 342 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,160 are only rated for so much weight. 343 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,760 And even if you put a barrel out there, 344 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,000 the barrel is filled with water 345 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,600 and it has a weight capacity to it. 346 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,160 So they're under pinning the bridge structure as we speak, 347 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,840 evaluating which columns need to be shored up. 348 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,920 And once they get certified, 349 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,760 that it can carry the additional weight, 350 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,480 they'll put a center barrier throughout the corridor 351 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,080 to preclude the crossover issues, 352 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,240 which should go a long way to solving the problem 353 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,960 we have right now, which the ultimate project will solve 354 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,760 because it'll have a raised median. 355 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:09,960 And everything I just said is in there on the report. 356 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,000 You can. 357 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:23,200 - When they put the barrier up, the temporary barrier, 358 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,200 is it just gonna be in certain locations 359 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,600 or is this gonna expand the whole? 360 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,080 - Well, it will essentially cover the limits of the project 361 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,280 with the exception of where you have cross streets 362 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,280 that have to cross over and turn left. 363 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,040 So it'll be mostly continuous. 364 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:45,520 - And that's gonna be that low concrete wall type barrier? 365 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,360 - It could either be the low concrete ones 366 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:50,160 or those orange, they're the same shape, 367 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,560 they're made out of plastic filled with water. 368 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,840 Both of them do the same thing. 369 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,640 It's just one's a little bit lighter. 370 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,800 - Thank you. 371 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:04,660 - So then your 380 East project further on, 372 00:19:04,660 --> 00:19:08,200 for those of you that drive that way, 373 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,880 we've been told by TechStot to go ahead, 374 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,440 if you remember our last report 375 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,280 where it says the let date, it was an asterisk 376 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:16,960 because we weren't sure. 377 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,600 What TechStot's decided to do, 378 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:19,900 they've got the certifications 379 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:23,560 from all of these utilities here 380 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,880 that they will have the utilities completed 381 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,240 by December of this year. 382 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,520 But when they looked at where the utilities are working 383 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,080 versus where the contract can work, 384 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,960 there's significant portions of the road 385 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,280 where the contract can work 386 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,160 where the utilities are already relocated. 387 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,960 So they're gonna let the project in August 388 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,480 with special notes, special provisions 389 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,960 saying you can work in these from station to station. 390 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,280 So when they bid it, they're bidding it 391 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,680 knowing that they can't work in these areas before December 392 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,760 so we'll get comparable bids. 393 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,000 So it will go in August, 394 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,480 which means that September, October, 395 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,120 late September, early October, 396 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:09,320 the contractor has about 60 days to mobilize. 397 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,880 You'll be seeing work out there anyway 398 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,400 because the utilities will be out there 399 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,400 but the contractor themselves should be out there 400 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,120 sometime in the October, November timeframe. 401 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:20,360 And this project adds, 402 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:22,760 just like the previous one does, additional lanes. 403 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,440 So currently you have a four-lane with a flush median 404 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,400 and the project that's under construction out here, 405 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,760 you got four lanes with flush median. 406 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,320 When we're done, you'll have six lanes 407 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,760 with a raised median and you'll have grade separations 408 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:41,760 at NAVO, TEAL, Legacy, 423 and 720. 409 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:46,800 So it'll act like a semi-freeway. 410 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:56,960 Okay, so feasibility study for 380, 411 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,520 they are gonna be coming out saying 412 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,240 that 380 needs to be a freeway 413 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,480 but they're not gonna finish the report till the fall. 414 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,360 And again, the reason they're not finishing the report 415 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:09,480 till fall, 'cause they're already done, 416 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,920 is they ran out of develop authority 417 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,720 until the next fiscal year, which starts September 1st. 418 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:20,640 So HDR has to wait until they get a second notice 419 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,720 to proceed to do the final public meeting 420 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,240 just from a financial standpoint. 421 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,520 They'll close it out and we're already, 422 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,960 the city and the county, we're already working with TechStat 423 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,120 to begin the environmental clearance right now on a freeway 424 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:36,680 'cause it's already needed. 425 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,400 Luke 288. 426 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,440 So Denton County will be putting the contract 427 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,640 for Chang, Patel and Yerby on their court agenda 428 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:48,800 for July 27th. 429 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,600 That's a little over $5 million 430 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,400 for the plan specifications and estimates. 431 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,760 The project is environmentally cleared. 432 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,640 They're acquiring right away 433 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,240 and we will be designing the project 434 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,280 and this is another because it's a loop. 435 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,320 It's eligible for both clear lanes 436 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,840 and because we're environmentally cleared 437 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,600 and we're acquiring right away and we're starting design, 438 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,520 it's also eligible for being submitted 439 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,760 as a candidate project for that $3 billion. 440 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,760 So right now we've got very little funding 441 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,880 allocated to the project 442 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,200 but this is a project that is critical 443 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,440 for both city of Denton and the county. 444 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,920 TechStat was one that asked us to revive it 445 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,000 because it's part of the future outer loop 446 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,720 and then the region because it's part of the outer loop. 447 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,760 - Excuse me, John, if you don't mind going back one. 448 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,720 When you say it needs to be a freeway, 449 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,920 which I would agree is eminently true, 450 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,440 what does that physically mean to you 451 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,600 when you say it needs to be a freeway? 452 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:53,440 Elevated? 453 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,520 - Yeah, so what happens is it's not necessarily elevated, 454 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,320 although parts of it will be. 455 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,440 It's that it's controlled access. 456 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,400 So you have frontage roads. 457 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,800 So you have frontage roads and grade separations 458 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,320 and free flow main lanes. 459 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,200 And to put this in perspective, 460 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,920 I think the average daily traffic out there 461 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,080 is a little over 70,000 cars and 55,000 or more, 462 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,720 you get to where you should be in a freeway scenario 463 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,560 and 12 years, 15 years from now, 464 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,720 it's pushed to be like 90,000. 465 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,800 So even that's after we plug in the outer loop 466 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,560 as a limited access facility or freeway. 467 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,080 So that traffic that's gonna come from the fact 468 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,040 that we're building the toll road right now 469 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,840 to Grayson County, it's under construction, 470 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,160 that traffic is gonna come south. 471 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,560 And if the outer loop is there, 472 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,920 they'll take that in west because it's a quicker 473 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,520 move around the corner. 474 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,720 But if that's, even with that there, 475 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,720 380 goes to 90,000 in 2035 or something like that. 476 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,360 - But controlled access is the core thought 477 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:07,720 and frontage roads, but then when you say great separation. 478 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,240 - That's a bridge over. 479 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,040 So when you pull up to 423 coming out of Frisco, 480 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,400 you go north, when you hit 380, 481 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,920 380 is gonna go over, you'll go under-- 482 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,160 - Overpasses and underpasses. 483 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,480 - Over and underpasses. 484 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,840 - Got it, great explanation, thank you. 485 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,760 - I'll take the two great separations 486 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,760 in the appendix glossary. 487 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,800 So in that note, Loop 288 is proposed 488 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,280 as a actual physical controlled access facility. 489 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,000 So it'll have frontage roads and freeway main lanes 490 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,000 and great overpasses and underpasses at the cross streets. 491 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:56,320 So again, we've already, today's the 21st, 492 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,880 so yes, it is, right? 493 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,240 Okay, so yesterday, Commissioners Court approved 494 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,440 the LTRA design packet for doing the design 495 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,480 on this project as well. 496 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,080 It was about just under two million bucks 497 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,600 and we are working with city staff to make sure again, 498 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,960 because this is primarily a road that impacts 499 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,640 all of the industrial area in that area, 500 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,240 that we'll coordinate with the city to make sure 501 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,520 that what we design is what the city wants to see happen. 502 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:38,400 1173, so right now we're awaiting environmental clearance 503 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,560 and we're also, it was part of conformity 504 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:46,040 and we were told last Friday that it will be cleared 505 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,120 because it has received conformity, 506 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:53,120 so 1173 will be cleared this month as well. 507 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,360 There is negotiations and conversations 508 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,760 between the county and TechStock 509 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,160 on who picks up the next phase of the project 510 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,160 where on the design and at some point, 511 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,600 well, the county's decided they're gonna go out 512 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,680 for a bond program next November 513 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,720 and we're already working with city staff 514 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,800 to coordinate your efforts on that 515 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,880 and probably this will be one of those projects 516 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,280 that you see on the bond program where the county 517 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,120 goes ahead and moves forward with all of the design documents, 518 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:27,400 the 10% right away match and then any construction dollars 519 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,280 that TechStock says they may need on the project. 520 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,360 So this is gonna become fairly more active fairly quickly. 521 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:41,920 Okay, so Alma Locus and I'm gonna be out of my depth 522 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,520 real fast on this, but essentially we've been working, 523 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,960 I know that's not surprising to anybody. 524 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:57,840 We've been working with TechStock 525 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,560 on how to deal with Alma Locus for years 526 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,360 and we think we have a tentative agreement. 527 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:09,000 City's gone in from the courthouse south 528 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,640 and all those improvements and the road 529 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,080 is in a certain degree of state of disrepair 530 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,320 that we were talking about on Friday 531 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:23,320 that TechStock needs to find a quick remedy 532 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,520 to get that pavement back to a navigable surface 533 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,440 in the interim, but ultimately to reconstruct it 534 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,440 and at that point, TechStock inquires to the city's desire 535 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,480 to take Alma Locus off system 536 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,960 and the thinking is if you take it off system 537 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,840 after they fix it, right, where it's a real road again, 538 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,160 that you'll be able to use the road as you see fit 539 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,720 and make it into your own image as opposed to something 540 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,160 that TechStock says you can and can't do. 541 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,360 So I don't know how much I butchered that, 542 00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,480 but I'm looking for salvation. 543 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,160 - Well, I'd like to understand why there's discussion 544 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,040 of two steps, you know, making it quickly navigable 545 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:08,880 and reconstructing it. 546 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,360 Why are we just doing it? 547 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:12,760 I think that'll be really confusing to people. 548 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,320 Like they fix it and then they tore it up again. 549 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,000 That's the thing that makes people laugh. 550 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,440 - What we're talking about is the milling overlay 551 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,120 so that you're not looking like you're in the Kosovo, right? 552 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:27,280 So we just wanna get at something that's drivable, 553 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,440 that's quick and easy because the reconstruct 554 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,040 where you come in and you do the subgrade improvements 555 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,200 and you put the road back so that it lasts a long time 556 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,160 so that if you do take it, you're getting a quality product 557 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,360 as opposed to something with paint on it, essentially. 558 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,960 - What's the time interval between milling overlay 559 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,480 and just reconstructing it again? 560 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,360 - A long time for people. 561 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,280 It's a minute for TechStock, but it's a long time for humans. 562 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,040 I'm still looking for help. 563 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,800 - No, you're fine, I was waiting for you to be finished. 564 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,680 Mayor Pro Temelter, I just mentioned that this is something 565 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,000 that we are actively working on with TechStock. 566 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,760 Our concern is we are gonna be completed 567 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,480 with all of our project in the very near future 568 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,280 and that is the water and sewer 569 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,640 and storm drain improvements basically 570 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,920 from the courthouse south, as John mentioned. 571 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,280 And I think our concern is that that road has been patched 572 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,440 so that it still has a drivable surface. 573 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,560 And some of the discussion, and this is a constant 574 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,360 conversation that we're having at this time, 575 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,920 is previous staff have looked into taking 576 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,560 this roadway infrastructure over at such time 577 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,520 that is repaired and reconstructed to a standard 578 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,440 of which we feel like we're comfortable with taking over. 579 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,160 A milling overlay would be something that would be 580 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,640 an interim step that could be completed maybe 581 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,960 through a maintenance contract with TechStock 582 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,960 versus a full reconstruct which would have 583 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,760 to actually be bid and a process would have to go through. 584 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,640 - And designed. - And designed. 585 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,200 And so there may be this interim step simply 586 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,160 from the standpoint that the city is not interested 587 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,720 in taking over the roadway permanently 588 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,960 until it's reconstructed to the standard 589 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,640 of which we are willing to accept. 590 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,200 So I think the purpose of the mill and overlay 591 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,560 is simply from the standpoint that currently 592 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,560 that roadway infrastructure is not designed 593 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,280 and also not a programmed project that they currently have 594 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,320 that they're working through. 595 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,360 So those are interim conversations that we've been having 596 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,120 over the last few weeks. 597 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,160 TechStock's committed to working with us 598 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,600 to come up with a plan. 599 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,680 And so I would say that that mill and overlay 600 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,120 that John mentioned is just simply from the standpoint 601 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,560 that we don't want there to be a large gap of time 602 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,760 in between the time that the utilities 603 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,920 and the storm drain is completed until they can actually 604 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,640 come in and do that reconstruction. 605 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,760 So-- - Forgive me, I'm a bit baffled 606 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,760 'cause it's gotta be a good year ago or more 607 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,080 that council voted to take those over 608 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,680 when it was put in condition to be worthy 609 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,760 of being taken over. 610 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,560 So why isn't it being bid now 611 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,400 so that after utilities, the reconstruct happens? 612 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,720 I don't understand the gap. - Well, I'm gonna answer that 613 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,040 'cause I don't want her to answer that. 614 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,360 What happened at TechStock is 615 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,360 they have turnover there as all organizations do. 616 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,800 And the people that are there now 617 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,520 did not get communicated properly with. 618 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,640 But the intent was we come along right behind them. 619 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,320 So somewhere along the way that, 620 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,680 and I'm gonna take responsibility for that. 621 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,800 Somewhere along the way when the transition of staff 622 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,800 at TechStock occurred, that communication didn't get made. 623 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,600 And when we were talking to the folks that we think 624 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,320 they're gonna start showing a really good focus 625 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,240 for city of Denton, with the folks that got there now 626 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,960 are there long-term and they're very capable. 627 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,520 We essentially started that conversation on Friday. 628 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,920 So I'm gonna call that on me. 629 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,440 - Yeah, I appreciate you owning that. 630 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,440 That's, I guess I'd ask you offline to think about it. 631 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,000 How could I possibly avoid the future? 632 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,080 That's a big miss. 633 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,240 - Yes, sir. 634 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,560 But the mill and overlay is simply, 635 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,040 they came in with a machine, they mill it flat, 636 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,800 get it as smooth as possible 637 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,320 without impacting any of the substructures. 638 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,240 And then they come in with a two-inch overlay. 639 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,000 And that's like a coat of paint. 640 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000 And that will last about as long as it takes us 641 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,680 to get the other project designed and bid and awarded. 642 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,440 So we'd have to do that anyway. 643 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,480 But if the city wanted to just take it over after that, 644 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,120 I would fight you hammer and tongue 645 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,400 'cause the substructure's not good. 646 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,120 - Yeah, we wanna make sure 647 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,280 that when we take that infrastructure over 648 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,360 that it's to the standard of which we believe it should be. 649 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,600 And that will be part of the MOU. 650 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,800 My understanding that all of the MOU, 651 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,080 and I wasn't in this position at that time, 652 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,240 but the MOU that has been processed 653 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,800 and has been evaluated was not completed. 654 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,920 And so we still need to bring that back to council. 655 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,320 We're looking at bringing that back in pieces. 656 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,920 And this is one of the projects 657 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,840 that is highest of interest of staff, 658 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,320 simply because we see the improvements 659 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,200 that have been made south of the courthouse, 660 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,480 but it's also very much on our radar. 661 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,040 And the reason why you also see it on this graphic 662 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,400 and why John's included in the report 663 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,400 is now we want to come up with the plan. 664 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,280 And like he mentioned, the new area engineer and his team, 665 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,000 we are having monthly meetings with, 666 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,160 and sometimes we're even talking weekly or daily 667 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,120 on different things that are happening throughout the city, 668 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,800 but we want to come up with the plan also 669 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,600 to execute from now the courthouse north to 380 670 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,920 in a more succinct manner 671 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,480 that's more of a programmatic matter. 672 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,080 So I would say that at this point, 673 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,960 we are looking for measures to make improvements 674 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,320 to the roadway on that temporary or interim basis 675 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,840 before that complete project can be reconstructed 676 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,120 to the standard of which the city would then be interested 677 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,040 in accepting it. 678 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,360 - Yeah, I've said what I needed to say about it. 679 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,360 Any other comments? 680 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,200 Okay. - Sorry. 681 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,400 Fortunately for me, I think I'm done. 682 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:29,680 Any questions? - Any questions? 683 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,080 - Got a question. 684 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,320 Would you please explain this, 685 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,720 still on Elm and Locust phase two, 686 00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:43,360 it was so much going on with that conversation. 687 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,240 For this red line, what does this mean to the people? 688 00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:50,400 - So this was a conversation we had on Friday, 689 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,680 and I told my staff, hey, we need to get it in the report 690 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,920 so we can talk about it, throw something in there 691 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,120 so we can have a conversation. 692 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:02,120 So this will be upgraded to a far better graphic and details 693 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,520 the next time you see it. 694 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,720 But essentially, the city's doing the work in phases. 695 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,120 Courthouse south is essentially fixing to be done. 696 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,760 Courthouse north has some challenges 697 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,280 from a financial standpoint that we need to discuss, 698 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,000 and we're gonna coordinate and memorialize 699 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,880 with text what Ms. Devaney was saying 700 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,520 in a more programmatic manner 701 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,240 so that we do the northern part better than the southern part. 702 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:33,120 - And the same thing that's happening in the southern part 703 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,680 that's going to happen in the northern part, 704 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,680 but it's gonna be-- - Better, better. 705 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:41,920 - Yes, yes, ma'am. 706 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,920 - Is that, you can't expand that world all the way out. 707 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,680 - Well, I mean-- - The utilities need to be-- 708 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,400 - There's not a lot of right of way there. 709 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,920 It's very tight, which is why I think the city 710 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,040 would be better off having control of it 711 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,200 because you don't have to follow state standards. 712 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,080 You just have to follow AASHTO or your own city standards, 713 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:12,080 and you can make it more of a origin destination route 714 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,800 as opposed to a state facility. 715 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,640 - Yeah, and I would just mention 716 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,400 that the same utility improvements 717 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,840 that were made south of the courthouse 718 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,360 need to be made north of the courthouse, 719 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,800 so that's water, wastewater, and drainage infrastructure. 720 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,560 As Mr. Polster mentioned, there are funding gaps, 721 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,040 and I know you've seen this in some of our CIP presentations 722 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,960 where we are looking for drainage funding 723 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,400 for that portion of the project, 724 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,320 and we're working with TxDOT on some creative ideas 725 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,520 to help solve some of those issues. 726 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,580 And then ultimately, that roadway being built 727 00:36:43,580 --> 00:36:45,480 to the standard of which the city 728 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,520 would then be able to accept it from that standpoint. 729 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,700 I would like to mention also that it's very interesting, 730 00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:53,280 and we run into this many times. 731 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,640 There are six TxDOT roadways throughout the city of Denton 732 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,680 that are TxDOT responsibility and maintenance, 733 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,000 and we also have some maintenance agreements 734 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,520 that we're gonna be working through with them 735 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,860 in the near future. 736 00:37:06,860 --> 00:37:09,160 They showed us a preview of that last Thursday. 737 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,360 I say that to tell you that typically on TxDOT roadways, 738 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,120 utility infrastructure is not allowed 739 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,720 underneath the main lanes, 740 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:18,660 and so that's another very interesting reason 741 00:37:18,660 --> 00:37:21,100 as to why it would be in the city's best interest 742 00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:22,500 to take over these roadways 743 00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:25,940 once the infrastructure is completed and reconstructed 744 00:37:25,940 --> 00:37:28,560 to the standard of which we would accept. 745 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,320 And really, that boils into on normal, 746 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,980 and I say normal in quotes, 747 00:37:34,980 --> 00:37:38,040 but standard TxDOT projects would be 748 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,480 that utilities would be located 749 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,840 either in the utility accommodation zone, 750 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,080 which typically is the last three to 10 feet 751 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,640 on the outside of the right away, 752 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,120 or in a private easement that is purchased 753 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,800 by the city of Denton for those utility infrastructure. 754 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,720 So this is a little bit different standard, 755 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,720 and so I think that's another major reason 756 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,440 why it's in the city's best interest to look at. 757 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,440 I'm taking over this from the infrastructure standpoint 758 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,480 with the needs of the water and wastewater in this area. 759 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,380 - Closer in and around the courthouse, 760 00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:12,240 back of curb is sidewalk. 761 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,520 Back of sidewalk is building all the time, 762 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,520 so everything has to be under the pavement, 763 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,400 and that's something that we've had to, 764 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,240 it's always been a pain whenever we wanna do 765 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,080 utility improvements on Locust and Elm 766 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,240 because it's under pavement of a state facility, 767 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,040 and you gotta take it all the way 768 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,780 to Austin and back every time. 769 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,480 - I have one last thing I just wanted to mention. 770 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,880 I know Council Member Byrd, 771 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,640 you asked specifically about the red lines. 772 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,560 Some of that area is very interesting. 773 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,840 One of the things that we are working on educating residents 774 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,280 about really is that portion of EGLE 775 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,480 that's on the left graph, 776 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,900 that's the very last line that you see 777 00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:55,800 that's running east-west, 778 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,400 that portion of EGLE between Elm and Locust 779 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,400 is actually textile maintained. 780 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,040 So some of those things are things 781 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:02,880 that we're working through 782 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,720 because that also is in a similar state of disrepair. 783 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:07,840 I know they've done some recent potholes, 784 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,440 but that's part of the outreach. 785 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,140 This not only impacts the city infrastructure, 786 00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:15,760 but then I would say even from winter weather, 787 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,680 who's going to provide the snow and ice maintenance measures, 788 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,060 whether it's sanding or putting out the chemical 789 00:39:24,060 --> 00:39:25,360 that they do to help with the ice. 790 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,260 So these are some things that we see that are on our radar 791 00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:32,480 that we also are working with the streets department on. 792 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,020 So I mentioned that just to say that, 793 00:39:35,020 --> 00:39:37,740 from a resident standpoint, you're driving Donegal, 794 00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:39,280 you assume it's a city roadway, 795 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,360 but it's actually maintained by Text-dot in that area. 796 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,720 So those are some of the things that we're working 797 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,200 to kind of coordinate with Text-dot on it 798 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,000 and per se clean up to make sure that those roadways 799 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,960 are built to the city specifications and standards. 800 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,380 - Thank you. - No problem. 801 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,440 - Do I stop, oh, go ahead. 802 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,300 - Oh, okay, so I shared this thought 803 00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:06,000 with Ms. Devaney and Ms. Wood in our meeting last week. 804 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,700 Sorry if this is a harebrained idea, 805 00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:11,440 but I just want to throw it out there 806 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,460 while the 35 project is in the design phase, 807 00:40:15,460 --> 00:40:19,480 or before the design phase, whatever it is. 808 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,160 So I love the overpass, 809 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,100 the bridge across 35E at North Texas Boulevard. 810 00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:30,540 I would love to see the other overpasses 811 00:40:30,540 --> 00:40:35,540 that are being built have a similar kind of design. 812 00:40:35,540 --> 00:40:39,780 I know that there's one that's gonna go from Windsor. 813 00:40:39,780 --> 00:40:46,440 And in the interest of improved connectivity, 814 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:52,320 especially for pedestrians and cyclists, 815 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,200 I would love to see a similar overpass at Scripture and 35. 816 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:02,060 - We can look at the approved, 817 00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:04,920 'cause the environmental schematic's already done, 818 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,280 so we can look to see what's there. 819 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,200 The North Texas Boulevard and similar, 820 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,560 as you go down through Lewisville, 821 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,760 we see those aesthetic improvements. 822 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,480 There's a certain threshold that Text-dot 823 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,720 will include naturally in a project, 824 00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:25,080 and we had to, the cities along the corridor 825 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,440 had to agree to a palette of colors 826 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,260 and standardized form liners, 827 00:41:33,260 --> 00:41:37,040 and they could be emphasis areas. 828 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,920 So you have, Denton has North Texas 829 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,560 as the green color mixed in. 830 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,920 Lewisville had the lake with the blue, 831 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,000 and we had further south, Old Town area, 832 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,400 Carrollton had a kind of a brown type palette, 833 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,320 so we have a palette that we're gonna be working 834 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,180 aesthetically with on this project. 835 00:41:56,180 --> 00:42:00,000 But then when it comes to like those medallions 836 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,860 that are at North Texas Boulevard, 837 00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:08,840 back then, the city staff came to the aesthetic conversation 838 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,720 a little bit later than Lewisville did. 839 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:17,280 Lewisville was early on, so we had to redesign some stuff 840 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,280 for that wall to be wired and structured 841 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,720 so it can hold that 18-foot medallion. 842 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:27,440 - So I guess I should clarify, 843 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,480 the aesthetics are very nice, 844 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,480 but what I mean is that it's very pedestrian-friendly. 845 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,680 - Okay, so the bridge deck, again, 846 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,640 everything that was done to North Texas Boulevard 847 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,080 was a negotiation between the city staff, 848 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,920 the city and Text-dot and the county, 849 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,520 and whatever the county could press the state to include 850 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,200 from an infrastructure standpoint or a structural standpoint, 851 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,120 we did that from the county standpoint, 852 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,040 and then the city came in and would partner with 853 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:03,040 the color patterns, the separated pedestrian facilities, 854 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,140 all that was negotiated, and if there was anything 855 00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:08,640 that had to be above and beyond at the time, 856 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,420 the city paid for the Delta. 857 00:43:10,420 --> 00:43:15,120 So we're doing that for all of the other projects 858 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,040 on the ultimate as well, so I would say you're right. 859 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,200 It's not a crazy idea. 860 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,960 Now's the time while we're designing the project 861 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,380 because we can incorporate fractured fin, if you want. 862 00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:32,560 We can do certain types of aesthetic form liners 863 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,560 that you want, and if you want to do specific form liners, 864 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,940 as long as you keep it to a minimum of, say, 865 00:43:38,940 --> 00:43:42,760 five or six different form liners for, 866 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,280 so Louisville had to pay for half the form liners 867 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,800 for all those fish and boats and whatever 868 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,840 because there was a certain number of form liners 869 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,380 that the contractor was gonna have to use anyway 870 00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:55,720 just for the fractured fin format, 871 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,400 so they work it out on a negotiation, 872 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,480 and then they incorporate that into the design 873 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,320 so the contractor will build it when they're building 874 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,320 the facility as opposed to after the fact, 875 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,960 which is what the medallions were. 876 00:44:09,860 --> 00:44:13,400 The up part was negotiated early on, 877 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,040 but everything, I think the question was asked once before. 878 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,400 There are places in the interim project now 879 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,940 where there are sidewalks on 35, 880 00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:23,440 and there are places where there aren't, 881 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,520 and the answer is the places where they are, 882 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,200 we've done something to the road. 883 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,520 Those places where we have it 884 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,060 because that's a new paradigm didn't. 885 00:44:32,060 --> 00:44:34,280 What we're doing from the merge north 886 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,820 is all new construction, and I think, 887 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,240 I'm remembering, I could have a dream, 888 00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:45,720 but I think Tech Start's saying right now it stops short, 889 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:47,720 just short of North Texas Boulevard, 890 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:49,660 that I think the district wants to go ahead 891 00:44:49,660 --> 00:44:54,660 and extend that 35E leg to pick up North Texas Boulevard, 892 00:44:54,660 --> 00:44:57,840 to widen that structure, right, 893 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,080 and we get a second shot at making the bottom 894 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,280 look as good as the top. 895 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:07,400 - And I would just mention to Council Member McGuire 896 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,920 and the Parks Department is looking at 897 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,920 the different aesthetics from medallions, 898 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,280 different types of forms, 899 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,160 and so that's something that we're coordinating with Tech Start. 900 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,660 It's not at the local office, 901 00:45:22,660 --> 00:45:24,900 it's actually at the Dallas District Office, 902 00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:27,520 and some of those things they may even be bringing forward 903 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,360 to the Public Art Committee, 904 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,460 and so that is a constant conversation. 905 00:45:32,460 --> 00:45:34,080 I think what I heard you say, 906 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,680 and I just wanna confirm specifically, 907 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,520 and I know this was what we talked about in our meeting 908 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,080 on Friday, is that you're looking at some type of bridge 909 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,280 or structure that could possibly be constructed 910 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,440 where Scripture would actually go over 35 911 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,220 and connect to the west near the Jim Crystal area. 912 00:45:49,220 --> 00:45:53,660 - Possibly, yes, and I know that there, 913 00:45:53,660 --> 00:45:56,600 you know, there were some questions 914 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,920 about whether it would be feasible 915 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,580 to extend Jim Crystal Road to meet Scripture. 916 00:46:02,580 --> 00:46:04,960 You know, in the absence of that, 917 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,960 if that turns out to not be feasible, 918 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,960 I would also love to just see Scripture go across, 919 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:18,120 have a nice sort of pedestrian-friendly intersection there 920 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:24,500 where folks could access the frontage road 921 00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:27,160 on the west side of 35 as well. 922 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,920 - So I'm expendable, that's why I'm here, 923 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,000 but if there's not a bridge structure 924 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,400 already included in the project, 925 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,600 I have to crush your hopes horribly right now 926 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,000 'cause they won't add it. 927 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,780 It's too far along. 928 00:46:43,780 --> 00:46:45,160 So I don't know what's in it. 929 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,740 If there's a structure there, 930 00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:49,140 we can make it as appealing as you want, 931 00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:50,720 but if there's not one there now, 932 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,120 which now I'm starting to remember, 933 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,920 I don't think there is because we're doing a braided ramp 934 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,260 in that location, northbound at least. 935 00:46:58,260 --> 00:47:02,280 So all these things we're doing on interim improvements there 936 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,120 all get pulled out because the ultimate has the on-ramp 937 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,080 and the off-ramp in the exact same location 938 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:08,920 and the ultimate, 939 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,880 which is if you go down to Western Center Boulevard, 940 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,920 down towards Fort Worth on 35W, 941 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,960 where you see those big giant exit and entrance 942 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,920 at the same place, it's called a braided ramp, 943 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,300 that's what you'll have at least on the northbound side 944 00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:24,400 of 35 in that area. 945 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:29,600 - Okay, so the off-ramp is gonna be 946 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,280 to the south of scripture from 35 North? 947 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,940 - The interim or the ultimate, interim or ultimate? 948 00:47:36,940 --> 00:47:38,800 - Ultimate. 949 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:39,640 - North. 950 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:40,480 - Okay. 951 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,680 - So essentially between scripture and 380, 952 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,280 almost dead center there is where the braid will be 953 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,280 so that you'll exit the main lanes and go straight to 380. 954 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,120 And if you're on the frontage road south of there, 955 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,040 you'll enter the freeway right there. 956 00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,200 And I'm not, I can't remember 957 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,340 'cause I think we flipped the stack, 958 00:48:01,340 --> 00:48:03,920 whether the exit is that grade 959 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,560 or the entrance is that grade. 960 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,320 It's typically the exits that grade 961 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,400 because you want those people on the ground 962 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,280 as quickly as possible so they can turn into the development. 963 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,320 But I don't know off the top of my head. 964 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,360 - Okay, all right. 965 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,360 - With all that's on the website, 966 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,920 keepitmovingdallas.com, 967 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,920 you can go look at it or we can go run it to ground for you. 968 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:31,560 - Okay, yes, I appreciate you clarifying that. 969 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:36,120 I totally understand if a bridge at scripture is, 970 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,400 if it's too late in the process to add something like that, 971 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,000 I just thought I'd throw it out. 972 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,360 - I think there's a really helpful thing to be aware of 973 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,380 for us that when bridges are planned, 974 00:48:49,380 --> 00:48:53,460 we can talk about having pedestrian faculties on them. 975 00:48:53,460 --> 00:48:56,620 If only we had a bike pad ADA coordinator 976 00:48:56,620 --> 00:48:58,600 to be on the lookout for things like that. 977 00:48:58,600 --> 00:48:59,440 - That's right. 978 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,920 - Maybe we'll talk about that later in the meeting. 979 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:01,760 - Danielle, you still have one of those? 980 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,520 - Wish they started Monday. 981 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,480 I think they, our ADA person started on yesterday 982 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:07,400 for the first time. 983 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,120 - He's sitting in the front row. 984 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,020 - Oh, is he? 985 00:49:11,020 --> 00:49:11,860 There he is. 986 00:49:11,860 --> 00:49:16,180 I had a question about, 987 00:49:16,180 --> 00:49:20,840 oh, I'm a pioneer woman, 988 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,620 Texas Women's University alum, 989 00:49:24,620 --> 00:49:28,640 and I seem like Texas Women's University 990 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,640 should be represented somewhere along the corridor of I-35 991 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:39,400 as it is a major employer and user of the city. 992 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:45,720 Can we speak to those folks or bring that in 993 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:47,600 as part of the new process? 994 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:52,080 It's front door is on 380. 995 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,360 - We are actually already in the works with that. 996 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,240 The Parks Department is already looking at ways 997 00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:01,840 to incorporate possibly something from TW 998 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,240 and also something to show when you're coming 999 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:08,360 from the Oklahoma area into town 1000 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,460 that you're entering Denton. 1001 00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:12,080 So those types of conversations are in the works 1002 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,360 with our Parks Department currently. 1003 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:15,180 No problem. 1004 00:50:15,180 --> 00:50:20,960 - So unlike I was taught in kindergarten, 1005 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,800 I'm gonna stop sharing, right? 1006 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,680 - So we're good, we're all done? 1007 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:28,520 Yep. 1008 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:29,920 Okay, thank you very much. 1009 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:37,720 Let's move on now to item C, MC21-027. 1010 00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:39,600 I never used to read the numbers, but the mayor does it, 1011 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:40,920 so I'll do it too. 1012 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,120 Receive a report and hold the discussion 1013 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,640 regarding updates from the Denton County 1014 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:45,880 Transportation Authority. 1015 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,120 Nicole, hi, Nicole. 1016 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:49,960 - Good morning. 1017 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,440 - Can everyone hear me okay? 1018 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,220 - Sorry? 1019 00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:55,480 - Can everyone hear me okay? 1020 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:56,600 - Oh, yes. 1021 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,000 - Yes. 1022 00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,680 Ish? 1023 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,280 - Yeah. 1024 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,240 - Okay, well, I'm Nicole Recker. 1025 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:07,040 I'm the VP of Mobility Services and Administration at DCTA. 1026 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,360 And I also have with me Christina Holcomb, 1027 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,160 who is DCTA's Deputy CEO. 1028 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,000 City staff asked that we present about our trip program. 1029 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,040 So Christina is gonna cover off on that 1030 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,160 and answer any questions. 1031 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,360 And then I just have just a couple updates to share. 1032 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,800 I will let the committee know 1033 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,200 that we do have another pending meeting at 10 a.m. 1034 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,460 that both Christina and I are in. 1035 00:51:31,460 --> 00:51:34,560 And so we will do our best to answer any questions, 1036 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,040 but we might have some scheduling conflicts. 1037 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,640 And so with that, I'll go ahead and share my screen. 1038 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,800 And then Christina can begin. 1039 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:45,680 - Thank you, Nicole. 1040 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:46,640 Good morning. 1041 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,280 I wanted to provide a very brief overview 1042 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,760 of the Transportation Reinvestment Program 1043 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,640 per staff's request. 1044 00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,800 The TRIP program is a new program to DCTA 1045 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,800 and is a new version of a former program 1046 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,960 we used to have, which was called ELAP. 1047 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,520 Next slide, please. 1048 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,620 Just to give a brief overview of what TRIP is all about, 1049 00:52:14,620 --> 00:52:19,620 it's really focused on providing funding to the cities 1050 00:52:19,620 --> 00:52:23,920 to implement projects which are consistent 1051 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,980 with the DCTA's long-range service plan. 1052 00:52:26,980 --> 00:52:30,940 We do have a long-range service plan from 2012. 1053 00:52:30,940 --> 00:52:35,940 You can see the key objectives for that plan on the screen. 1054 00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:40,080 So any project that the city might have 1055 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,960 that meets these goals, 1056 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,380 it is something that DCTA may be able to assist with funding. 1057 00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:48,880 Kind of go back a little bit, 1058 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,420 just a very high-level education as just to confirm 1059 00:52:52,420 --> 00:52:55,720 that you are aware that DCTA operates 1060 00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:59,120 off of half-cent sales tax from each of our member cities. 1061 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:03,840 So city of Denton, we get a half-cent sales tax, 1062 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,960 and that is what is used to operate 1063 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,920 and maintain DCTA assets, fleet, and operations. 1064 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,160 So in a way to partner with our member cities, 1065 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,360 we take a portion of that money 1066 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,520 and provide that in partnership to the city 1067 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,260 to execute projects that, again, 1068 00:53:23,260 --> 00:53:25,800 might meet these goals and objectives. 1069 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,720 Next page, please. 1070 00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:30,040 So in looking at the funding, 1071 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,960 how it is determined, how much that funding is, 1072 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,960 is the annual TRIP budget is based on 15% 1073 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,160 of DCTA's net available cash from the previous fiscal year. 1074 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,800 And I will say, sometimes we think we know 1075 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,800 what the final tax receipts are in a year, 1076 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,560 but then there's always a true up at the end of the year. 1077 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,160 So we have found in this first year 1078 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,320 of having this TRIP program 1079 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,640 that we have had to make some adjustments 1080 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,720 along the way on the total final amount. 1081 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:07,620 And I'll show you what those numbers look like. 1082 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,720 For this initial year, which was this past year, FY21, 1083 00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:15,200 we did infuse, the board wanted to infuse 1084 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,000 an extra $2 million on top of the 15% net available cash 1085 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,500 into this first year of TRIP projects. 1086 00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:28,480 Then we take out 5% of the overall budget 1087 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,280 to allocate towards DCTA's program administration. 1088 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,280 So we have had to use one of our on-call engineering firms 1089 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,120 to assist us in administering this program. 1090 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,600 We guessed at 5%, we weren't really sure 1091 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,840 exactly how much we might need 1092 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,280 for the administration portion. 1093 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:54,060 Again, first year, so this policy is expected to be updated 1094 00:54:54,060 --> 00:54:56,320 for the next year. 1095 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,720 So when you look at the different member city allocations, 1096 00:54:58,720 --> 00:54:59,840 we have three member cities, 1097 00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,880 Denton, Louisville, and Highland Village, 1098 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,920 all collect and administer 1099 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,800 different levels of sales tax, right? 1100 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,160 It's all a half cent, but clearly the bigger the city, 1101 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,160 the bigger the sales tax contribution. 1102 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,840 So the formulas on the screen about how we determine 1103 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,400 how much each member city will get 1104 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,220 out of that bucket of dollars. 1105 00:55:22,220 --> 00:55:26,100 Any dollars that are not spent by a city 1106 00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:27,980 at the end of the fiscal year 1107 00:55:27,980 --> 00:55:32,380 may roll over to the next fiscal year for three years. 1108 00:55:32,380 --> 00:55:34,560 So that way, if you have a bigger project 1109 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,320 you know is coming up in FY23, 1110 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,600 you don't have to spend as much in FY21 and FY22 1111 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,760 because you can roll it over and kind of save up your, 1112 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,120 make your bank bigger for the FY23 projects 1113 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,020 that you might have slated. 1114 00:55:47,020 --> 00:55:50,480 Again, that last bullet, 1115 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,920 I do anticipate that the board will be amending 1116 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,880 the trip policy based on this first year of programming. 1117 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,840 Some of the timing didn't quite work out right, 1118 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,640 so we will work through some of those amendments. 1119 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,240 Next page, please. 1120 00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:07,960 So we do have an annual call for projects. 1121 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,960 So how a city will seek funding from DCTA 1122 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,160 is in January, we announced 1123 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,360 that we'll have an annual call for projects. 1124 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,140 We have an application that city staff completes for us. 1125 00:56:21,140 --> 00:56:25,440 Then they submit it within about 90 days. 1126 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,640 Staff reviews that information, 1127 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,000 confirms that all of the requested projects for funding 1128 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,240 meet the goals and objectives of the Long Range Service Plan 1129 00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:36,720 that the agency has. 1130 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:39,480 And then we take those projects to the board. 1131 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,920 So this, we actually just, for this fiscal year, 1132 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,200 the first year of trip, 1133 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,640 we took all of the call for projects that were submitted 1134 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,320 to the board this past month in June. 1135 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,960 And the board reviews those projects 1136 00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,700 and then they approve them for project funding. 1137 00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:00,600 And it is a reimbursement basis. 1138 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,920 So the city will basically go through, 1139 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,360 execute their project. 1140 00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,760 Our staff and consultants will check in from time to time 1141 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,680 to ensure that all of the processes are being followed 1142 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,280 that are outlined in the policy. 1143 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:21,400 And then, so in June, the board did approve projects. 1144 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:22,480 So on the next page, 1145 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,140 let's talk a little bit about eligibility and selection. 1146 00:57:25,140 --> 00:57:27,560 As I mentioned, it must meet Long Range Service goals, 1147 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,180 must be financially sound. 1148 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,920 We do have a policy that your staff should have 1149 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,120 that they can look through 1150 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,720 and probably share a copy of it with you 1151 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:37,760 to get the nitty-gritty. 1152 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:38,920 But since we're on a time restriction, 1153 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,080 I won't go into this in much more detail. 1154 00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,480 Next page. 1155 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,180 So let's talk dollars. 1156 00:57:44,180 --> 00:57:48,820 For FY21, the total allocation to the trip program 1157 00:57:48,820 --> 00:57:52,640 for distribution to the three member cities 1158 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,720 was 7.7 million. 1159 00:57:55,720 --> 00:58:00,720 Now, I will say that is more than the 15% budget allocation 1160 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:05,640 but the net available fund balance 1161 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:06,920 because this first year, 1162 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,920 the board wanted to infuse that extra $2 million. 1163 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,960 So the total came to 7.7 million. 1164 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,120 Denton's portion is 3.4 million. 1165 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:20,220 When we had the anal proffer projects, 1166 00:58:20,220 --> 00:58:22,440 that number was not that high 1167 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:23,880 because we had to make some adjustments. 1168 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,640 Again, the final sales tax dollars did not come in. 1169 00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,840 So the total amount ended up being 3.4. 1170 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,680 Now that we've already completed the anal proffer projects, 1171 00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,280 the city of Denton does have an extra $900,000, 1172 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,820 so almost a million dollars to use this year 1173 00:58:41,820 --> 00:58:44,480 if there are additional projects that the city has 1174 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,760 that meet those goals and objectives. 1175 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,060 So kind of next steps, 1176 00:58:48,060 --> 00:58:51,960 those will roll over into the next fiscal year 1177 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:56,440 and be added to the ones that will be added 1178 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,100 for the FY22 budget. 1179 00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:01,080 To give you an idea of what we're looking at for FY22, 1180 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,560 again, just an estimate 1181 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,080 'cause we are currently in the budgeting process 1182 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,840 but the proposed budget that will be presented to the board 1183 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,760 does include 7.1 million for trip projects 1184 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,600 for the three member cities. 1185 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,960 So very similar to what you received in FY21, 1186 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,880 a little bit less, but then you also have this extra 1187 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,040 almost a million dollars to add to your pot for FY22. 1188 00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,120 I said that really quick. 1189 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,560 I'm sure there are questions. 1190 00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,480 I can maybe answer a couple 1191 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,080 or if you want to email those to me, maybe we can respond. 1192 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,640 That way it gives Nicole the opportunity 1193 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,560 to answer your questions regarding the GoZone service 1194 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,920 or whatever questions you have for her 1195 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,400 before we have to jump off in less than 60 seconds. 1196 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,800 - You're right on 10 o'clock. 1197 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:51,920 Anything real quick? 1198 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,460 - And this is the list of projects 1199 00:59:54,460 --> 00:59:58,200 that your staff did submit to DCTA 1200 00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:59,960 and these are the ones that were funded 1201 00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:01,920 and the amount that they requested 1202 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,560 for those particular projects are listed. 1203 01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,800 So it really is a great partnership. 1204 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:10,800 Clearly crosswalks and sidewalks benefit transit travel 1205 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,360 and then the bike path. 1206 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,040 So these were excellent projects 1207 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,600 and very well aligned with our longway service plan. 1208 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,560 - This isn't a question, but I would just like 1209 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,640 to thank Nicole for her service to DCTA 1210 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:25,680 these last few years. 1211 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,640 I know that she's moving on to other opportunities 1212 01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,000 and Nicole, I just want to wish you the best of luck. 1213 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,560 - I didn't catch that. 1214 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,000 Nicole's-- - Thank you. 1215 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,880 That's actually one of my announcements today. 1216 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,360 - Oh, wow, I don't know how-- 1217 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,200 - Sorry to steal your thunder. 1218 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,360 - Councilmember McGuire has the secret source of news. 1219 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:44,560 - Yeah, I know. 1220 01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,120 - Wow, yeah, let me add my good wishes to you. 1221 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,520 - Same here, Nicole, thank you. 1222 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,560 - Just quickly on this, on the trip projects, 1223 01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,480 just not generally, even if you have to drop off, 1224 01:00:58,480 --> 01:00:59,720 I'm kind of more speaking to any 1225 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,480 of the general public listening. 1226 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,840 Unlike most things we do, DCTA is not funded 1227 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,360 based on figuring out what the needs are 1228 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,000 and then developing a budget and funding that. 1229 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,360 It's funded based on just what the sales tax revenue is. 1230 01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,960 So whether the ridership is going up or going down, 1231 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,520 it's just, it's not responsive to that. 1232 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:26,520 So the fact that this program helps bring some of that money 1233 01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,200 that isn't going into literally mass transit, 1234 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:34,080 back into the community in a related way, 1235 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,560 I think is very smart and much appreciated. 1236 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,440 - Well, and I would say that if you have any questions 1237 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,040 about the trip program, like Christina mentioned, 1238 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,760 feel free to email those over to me. 1239 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,600 We can make sure that we get those answered 1240 01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:51,600 and submitted back to the committee. 1241 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:52,960 I know Christina has to jump off. 1242 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,640 I'll show up fashionably late to the meeting, Christina. 1243 01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,960 - I'll cover for you while you're gone. 1244 01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:59,400 - Thank you all. 1245 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,200 I did want to update the committee just on some progress 1246 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:07,520 on the GoZone proposal that is going 1247 01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,120 to the DCTA board tomorrow. 1248 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,280 - We were talking about that just recently. 1249 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,320 We were talking about that just recently. 1250 01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:17,520 - You might've heard. 1251 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,800 - I've slept since then, yes. 1252 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,920 Yeah, so we are expecting the resolution 1253 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,360 from the city of Denton and we will forward that 1254 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,440 to our board of directors prior to tomorrow's meeting. 1255 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,920 But the board will be considering approval 1256 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,280 on a variety of items related to GoZone. 1257 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:43,000 So I'm sure that we will submit a written update 1258 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,600 to city staff after the Thursday meeting 1259 01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,960 just to kind of keep everyone on the same page. 1260 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,800 And so just thank you again for your continued conversation 1261 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,680 about GoZone and your feedback. 1262 01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,680 I know I speak on behalf of staff. 1263 01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,600 We have found it extremely helpful to have, you know, 1264 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,720 kind of a vibrant conversation about some of these changes 1265 01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,200 for the community and we'll certainly be in touch 1266 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,600 after our board has some lengthy discussion 1267 01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,320 and makes a decision about next steps regarding 1268 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,360 any sort of service modification. 1269 01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,160 And then I did just wanna let the committee know 1270 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,920 that my last day at DCTA will be August 4th. 1271 01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,920 I have served a very happy seven years at DCTA 1272 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,720 and although I am sad to leave, 1273 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,720 I am sure that DCTA has such amazing things ahead of it. 1274 01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,280 And I just wanted to thank the committee 1275 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:43,040 for providing DCTA with a platform to talk about, you know, 1276 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,440 our services and our programs and our projects 1277 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,520 during my tenure here at DCTA. 1278 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,200 And I will certainly make sure that, you know, 1279 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,320 you have a representative who will still come 1280 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,200 and attend monthly. 1281 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,640 So hopefully you will not go without any representation, 1282 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,880 but I just wanted to personally thank each one of you 1283 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,680 for being invested in transportation for the city of Denton 1284 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,200 and providing your feedback. 1285 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,640 I have found it extremely educational 1286 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:14,720 and I've really enjoyed my time working with this committee. 1287 01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,840 - Well, you have been just a crackerjack representative 1288 01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,680 for DCTA to us and I really appreciate your preparation 1289 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:26,680 and your clarity and you're leaving big shoes to fill. 1290 01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:32,720 And you can only do well in what you do next, 1291 01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,480 I fully expect. 1292 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:41,680 I have just related back to GoZone. 1293 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,520 I'll just, if I may, I want to underscore some things 1294 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,520 that might not be obvious from just the headline 1295 01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:53,080 that if you take into account the full conversation 1296 01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,560 and the full proceedings that actually all seven members 1297 01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,960 of council voted in some form or another 1298 01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:04,960 for an extended parallel test to optimize the mix. 1299 01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:10,640 All seven members voted at one point or another 1300 01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,400 for consideration of elimination affairs 1301 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,760 and evaluation of that opportunity. 1302 01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,200 All seven members voted at one point or another 1303 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,720 for consideration of right sizing the fleet 1304 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:27,720 in terms of the vehicles themselves on the fixed routes 1305 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:33,240 and a super majority did vote for some form 1306 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,240 of keeping the workforce whole. 1307 01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:41,680 So I hope that helps the discussion, 1308 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,680 knowing kind of what council has expressed. 1309 01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:46,640 Other comments? 1310 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,240 We're good? 1311 01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,160 Okay, thank you. 1312 01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:53,000 - Oh, I do have a question. 1313 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,080 - Thank you. - Please. 1314 01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,240 - All right, I do. 1315 01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,960 - I do have a question. 1316 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:03,760 She mentioned something about the funds being rolled over 1317 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,760 into the next year for three years. 1318 01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:07,600 - Yes. 1319 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,280 - And what my question in my head was, 1320 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,600 well, what would make a city not use the funds 1321 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:13,960 for three years? 1322 01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:18,320 What kind of circumstance would an area have to be under 1323 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,400 to not to take advantage of using those funds? 1324 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,520 And then what happens to those funds after three years? 1325 01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:28,040 Are they dispersed to other cities to use? 1326 01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:29,440 Tell me a little bit about that. 1327 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:30,520 - Sure. 1328 01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,440 So the purpose, and there's really two main purposes 1329 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,320 in allowing the funds to roll over. 1330 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,640 So the first purpose would be much like Christina showed 1331 01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:44,040 on that slide, that the city submits a number of projects, 1332 01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,960 they're approved, but they don't spend the total allocation 1333 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:48,800 for the year. 1334 01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,320 And so you have a bit of a fund balance 1335 01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,040 that then you can roll. 1336 01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,440 The second purpose would be that if the city had the intent 1337 01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,920 of submitting a project that required more funding 1338 01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,040 and was available for one singular fiscal year, 1339 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,720 and they decided to roll a portion or that entire funding 1340 01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:10,000 over to the following year to basically combine annual funds 1341 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,520 so that they would have enough money for the project. 1342 01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,360 So it provides the city with just a little bit 1343 01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,680 more flexibility as to how they want to submit for projects. 1344 01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,680 They can do many low dollar projects, 1345 01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,320 or they could do something that's much larger 1346 01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:25,480 and requires more funding. 1347 01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,200 And it just gives the city flexibility to use that funding 1348 01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:29,640 based on their needs. 1349 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,040 After the three-year period of time, 1350 01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,280 the fund balance then just rolls back down 1351 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:36,520 to our cash bottom line. 1352 01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,160 And so it would be represented in the following fiscal year, 1353 01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:44,520 that 15% of overall cash balance at the end 1354 01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,400 of the fiscal year, it would be represented there. 1355 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,000 And so it's highly possible that the city would just get 1356 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,560 a slightly increased portion because that balance 1357 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,280 has rolled down to the cash. 1358 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:03,200 - What, when does, tell me again, 1359 01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:08,640 when are these decisions made as to how to use those funds? 1360 01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,360 When does that come up? 1361 01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,720 - So we do an annual call for projects. 1362 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,360 This year, the annual call for projects was in April, 1363 01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,560 and then reviewed by our board in May, 1364 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,560 and then approved in June. 1365 01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,600 So there's an annual call for projects, 1366 01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,920 and then we work with city staff to let them know 1367 01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,000 that timing, and then city staff has their own internal 1368 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,280 process for determining what projects are submitted. 1369 01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:39,720 - And if I may, Mr. Chair, we will certainly make 1370 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,080 a commitment to not run into the issue of leaving funds 1371 01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,440 available for other cities to potentially be able 1372 01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:48,280 to avail themselves to. 1373 01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,920 So we will be bringing back very soon a plan 1374 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,400 for that additional roughly $900,000. 1375 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,280 That was great news for us whenever we found it out. 1376 01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,040 We've actually got a couple of projects that, 1377 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,200 the numbers actually work out really well, 1378 01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:02,960 projects that we've already submitted 1379 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,240 for the first round of trip to fund the design. 1380 01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:06,960 It will help bridge the gap that we needed 1381 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,960 for construction dollars as well. 1382 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,200 So we'll be bringing that back 1383 01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,400 at a future mobility committee meeting, 1384 01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,200 and then we're strategizing right now, 1385 01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,080 and we're delighted to have our new 1386 01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,880 senior transportation planner on board. 1387 01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,080 But what does that process for vetting potential projects 1388 01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,040 for the 2022 cycle look like? 1389 01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,480 - I'll just let you know right now, 1390 01:09:27,480 --> 01:09:29,960 what we're looking at primarily focusing in on 1391 01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,640 is the gap sidewalks in front of schools. 1392 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,720 And so this is gonna be a great way to augment 1393 01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,760 that $12 million that we had approved 1394 01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:38,960 as part of the 2019 bond, 1395 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,480 to fully fund those Safe Routes to School projects, 1396 01:09:41,480 --> 01:09:43,080 where unfortunately we haven't gotten 1397 01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:44,960 some of the text dot dollars that we've gotten 1398 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:46,600 in the past to fund that program. 1399 01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,360 So we will be coming back to you 1400 01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,240 within the next couple of months, 1401 01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:51,600 talking about our strategy, 1402 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,160 talking about the vetting process for potential projects. 1403 01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,440 And we do plan on having our application 1404 01:09:56,440 --> 01:09:57,880 ready to go in January, 1405 01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,320 which is the same timing that we had last year. 1406 01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,440 City Council, once we've got the list 1407 01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:04,880 vetted through this committee and Traffic Safety Commission, 1408 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,160 then City Council will adopt a resolution 1409 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:08,880 endorsing the application. 1410 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,200 And so we wanna make sure as soon as April comes, 1411 01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:13,800 we've got that resolution approved, 1412 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,720 and we're ready to submit our application to DCTA. 1413 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:21,160 - Great, thank you. 1414 01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:21,980 Anything else? 1415 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,200 You look like you have something you wanna say, no? 1416 01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:26,160 - That's just my face. 1417 01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:27,000 - Okay. 1418 01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:31,760 - That's perfectly acceptable face. 1419 01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,200 So, okay. 1420 01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,360 Thank you so much, Nicole. 1421 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:36,200 We'll miss you. 1422 01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,160 - Thank you. 1423 01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:42,280 - Moving on. 1424 01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:48,480 Let's open item D, MC21-028. 1425 01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:50,200 Receive a report and hold the discussion 1426 01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,480 regarding the City of Denton's proposed expenditure funds 1427 01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:56,280 in the amount of $70,553 1428 01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,720 to TxDOT's Highway Improvement Safety Program. 1429 01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:22,280 - Good morning, everyone. 1430 01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,120 I'm Chandra with Traffic Engineering. 1431 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,400 I'm here to provide an overview of HSIP program, 1432 01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:28,920 which is short and form 1433 01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,840 for Highway Safety Improvement Program. 1434 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:39,840 HSIP is an annual textile program 1435 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,680 to improve safety of intersections or corridors 1436 01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,280 along roadways in the City of Denton 1437 01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:49,600 or statewide highways in Texas. 1438 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,360 The project selection criteria is based on 1439 01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:57,220 mostly the fatal or serious injuries in highways. 1440 01:11:57,220 --> 01:12:02,840 There are two categories on projects awarded 1441 01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,400 is based on on-system and off-system. 1442 01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,040 On-system are the TxDOT roadways 1443 01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:12,840 that has owned or maintained by city 1444 01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:14,560 and county-owned roadways. 1445 01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,880 In case of on-system roadways, 1446 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,600 TxDOT pays for 100% of the construction cost 1447 01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,840 and city is up for design, review fees, 1448 01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,240 and any additional overages at the time of construction. 1449 01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,440 Off-system projects are slightly different 1450 01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:32,520 in the way of the dollar amount. 1451 01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,960 TxDOT pays for 90% of the construction 1452 01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,880 and city pays for 10% matching funds for construction, 1453 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,000 as well as design, overages, 1454 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:46,000 and any review fees from TxDOT. 1455 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,360 In this project, we have three locations. 1456 01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:54,120 One is, as you see on the map, 1457 01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,160 the north arrow is to the left, 1458 01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:02,160 Kingsrow at Loop 288, Loop 288 at 380 interchange, 1459 01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,560 and McKinney at Loop 288. 1460 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,320 This project was submitted back in 2018 1461 01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:14,000 with an estimate funds for improving the signal heads 1462 01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:15,880 that was 20 years or older. 1463 01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,720 For pedestrian access, 1464 01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,120 putting in all the new controller cabinets, 1465 01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,200 battery backups, adding signage, 1466 01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:29,360 and also increasing intersection stripings. 1467 01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:35,160 The location at Loop 288 in Kingsrow 1468 01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,160 is to modernize mainly the traffic signal. 1469 01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:42,560 Permanent fixtures, right now it's on a mast arm, 1470 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,160 so they will change it out to put in 1471 01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:50,160 from the span wire to mast arm with luminaries, 1472 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:54,360 also controller cabinet and communication equipment 1473 01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,600 with the latest technologies to optimize efficiency 1474 01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,160 and safety at the intersection. 1475 01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,240 This will also improve pedestrian crossings, 1476 01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,360 which is not available right now, 1477 01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:08,840 and they will deploy radar and all the grid smarts cameras 1478 01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:13,840 to monitor activities so we can improve functions remotely. 1479 01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,680 Similarly, at Loop 288 at 380, 1480 01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,680 the intersection and the controllers were pretty old, 1481 01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:27,240 so they are upgrading all the communication equipments, 1482 01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,560 changing the lightings to LEDs, 1483 01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,720 and also the latest cameras that we can control remotely. 1484 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,880 At Loop 288 at McKinney, it's similar, 1485 01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:39,880 we are upgrading all the controllers 1486 01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,560 and detection equipments 1487 01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,320 so we can optimize and monitor remotely. 1488 01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:50,000 At the time back, the previous staff 1489 01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:54,400 submitted the initial estimate based on 2018 dollars. 1490 01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,920 It was costing a little more than, 1491 01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:00,760 a little less than 700,000 1492 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,840 based on TechStat's 100% construction cost. 1493 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,920 Citi was up for a little less than $30,000 1494 01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,000 for TechStat plan reviews, 1495 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,760 and in the process between 2018 and '19, 1496 01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,600 we hired Lee Engineering as a designer 1497 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,160 for the three intersections 1498 01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,960 at a cost of $88,250 for design, 1499 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:27,560 and when we completed the design 1500 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,640 and submitted for TechStat for bidding, 1501 01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,920 the actual bid results came out to be 1502 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:37,360 around approximately $768,000, 1503 01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:41,200 and since Citi will have to match any overage costs 1504 01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:45,240 from the initial estimate in 2018 to 2021, 1505 01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,840 we are on the hook for $70,000. 1506 01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,480 When we submitted the project, 1507 01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:53,800 we were on hook for 17% of the total cost 1508 01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,600 of the entire project, 1509 01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,680 and with the additional overage of $70,000, 1510 01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:04,880 it's mainly, we are on right now at 25%, 1511 01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,680 we're still getting one to three dollars. 1512 01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,560 For one Citi dollar, we are getting three TechStat dollars 1513 01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,800 spent on the Citi Road base, 1514 01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:17,000 and the additional $70,000 is mainly accounted for 1515 01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:21,320 in the inflation as well as the project scope. 1516 01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:25,920 Right now at King's Row at 288, 1517 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:30,040 there is no pedestrian crossing across the loop, 1518 01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,920 so with this project, they will be adding crosswalks, 1519 01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:34,680 and also with the new equipments, 1520 01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,440 they will be able to control the intersection efficiently 1521 01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:42,840 that will enable the delays on King's Road to be optimized, 1522 01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,480 and we can minimize the delays. 1523 01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:46,640 Also, at the same time, provide safe crossing 1524 01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,080 for pedestrians on either side of loop 288. 1525 01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:56,440 With this project, we're still getting good bucks 1526 01:16:56,440 --> 01:16:58,120 spent on Citi dollars, 1527 01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,360 even with spending the additional $70,000 1528 01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:04,320 that came out of the bid results in May of 2021. 1529 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,680 With that, if you have any questions. 1530 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,600 - Councilmember McGuire, 1531 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:12,840 you look like you have something to say. 1532 01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:13,920 - Oh, sorry, what? 1533 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,360 - I said, you look like you have something to say. 1534 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,520 - I do have something to say. 1535 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,400 So you sort of alluded to this in your mention 1536 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,560 of the traffic congestion at King's Row and 288. 1537 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:31,240 Did you see the video that a citizen showed last night 1538 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,240 at the council meeting of that intersection? 1539 01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,120 Okay, just want to make sure that you were aware 1540 01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,960 of that footage and sort of taking 1541 01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:43,600 that particular issue into account. 1542 01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:44,960 It sounds like you are, but. 1543 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:45,800 - Yes. 1544 01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:53,040 - Councilmember Byrd. 1545 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:58,280 - Yes, I have a question about the loop 288 1546 01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:02,360 in King's Row area. 1547 01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:06,800 Am I, let me see, let me phrase this 1548 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:11,280 because what I have in my head is, what is a mast arm? 1549 01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:17,000 - It's the signal indication that's on a cantilever arm, 1550 01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:18,240 the permanent structures. 1551 01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:19,080 - Just kind of leaning over like that? 1552 01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:19,920 - Yes. 1553 01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:20,740 - That's a mast arm? 1554 01:18:20,740 --> 01:18:21,580 - Yes. 1555 01:18:21,580 --> 01:18:22,900 - Versus the little line that goes across with the? 1556 01:18:22,900 --> 01:18:26,560 - Yes, it's on a wire, currently it's on span wire, 1557 01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,120 so if there is a wind or any hail 1558 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,440 or any kind of environmental forces, 1559 01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:35,160 those kind of like literally move, 1560 01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,800 but with mast arms, it's literally, 1561 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,460 you can see in one place. 1562 01:18:41,460 --> 01:18:47,240 - You know, 288 is a very fast-- 1563 01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:48,560 - That's right. 1564 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,760 - Roadway, and in my mind right now, 1565 01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:56,080 I just can't imagine having a crosswalk, 1566 01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,720 you know, across that roadway. 1567 01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:03,600 I've seen people run the light there on that roadway, 1568 01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:07,720 and maybe you don't have anything to do with this part, 1569 01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,520 this may have been for the question 1570 01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,240 for the other gentlemen about an additional, 1571 01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:17,120 I guess they're gonna be widening that roadway, 1572 01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,360 they're gonna be doing something there, 1573 01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:23,800 where those cars, to which you alluded to, 1574 01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,560 can, they run out into the roadway, 1575 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,360 I mean, they run out into literally on 288 1576 01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,640 to wait their turn. - Currently, 1577 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,480 currently they are all backed up with the delays, 1578 01:19:35,480 --> 01:19:40,000 because one is the capacity issue on 288, 1579 01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:44,000 and the school traffic that we are aware of from 2019 1580 01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,720 that it's backing up onto the freeway. 1581 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:50,120 With this project, we could add more timings 1582 01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,820 to the cross street, which is Kingsrow in this case, 1583 01:19:52,820 --> 01:19:56,640 and Loop 280, as you all know, it's a non-system facility, 1584 01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,800 and Techstart have plans to improve as well, 1585 01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:03,600 and they recently added medians along 288, 1586 01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,000 so that will give some protection 1587 01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,080 for pedestrian crossings in the future. 1588 01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:12,760 And with this improvements, the signal optimization 1589 01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,760 and the error in functioning can be controlled. 1590 01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,280 At the same time, the indications would be slightly bigger 1591 01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,040 than what it is right now in field. 1592 01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:27,400 - So with that being said, and the timing, 1593 01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:33,320 is that gonna change throughout the year, 1594 01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,920 based on when the school session is in? 1595 01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:40,720 - Yes, we have the flexibility with this, 1596 01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,560 we can have multiple patterns within a day, 1597 01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,400 and we can have it for school time, 1598 01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:46,800 we can have it for weekends, 1599 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,220 we can even have it for morning and evening, 1600 01:20:50,220 --> 01:20:52,640 so we have a lot more flexibility to adjust. 1601 01:20:52,640 --> 01:21:04,640 - Thank you, while we're on the subject of Kingsrow, 1602 01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:11,800 do you think that the signal timing is enough, 1603 01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:17,240 does that represent a kind of a comprehensive solution 1604 01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,600 to what we've been hearing from the public 1605 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:24,600 about that intersection, or is there more to it 1606 01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:28,920 to address the concerns, the backups at Hodge? 1607 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:36,360 - Mayor Pritam, Chair, I believe that the signal project 1608 01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:39,760 is going to improve, as Chandra mentioned, 1609 01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,560 the timing in this area. 1610 01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:45,160 I would say specifically related to that development, 1611 01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,760 that's not on the posting for the agenda today, 1612 01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,040 so we would have to discuss that at a later time. 1613 01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,760 But we do know that the signal timing in that area 1614 01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,440 is going to be improved by this project. 1615 01:21:57,440 --> 01:22:02,440 We also know that, as Council Member McGuire alluded to, 1616 01:22:02,440 --> 01:22:05,140 there are concerns in this area, 1617 01:22:05,140 --> 01:22:08,040 so we know this project will help improve in that area. 1618 01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:12,680 I would also mention that staff is evaluating 1619 01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:14,740 these improvements that are going to be made, 1620 01:22:14,740 --> 01:22:18,680 and also evaluating the timing of the signal in this area. 1621 01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,840 We are also looking into, 1622 01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,000 from the timing perspective and the school district, 1623 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:28,060 we understand that many individuals in this area 1624 01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:29,980 were actually driving their children to school, 1625 01:22:29,980 --> 01:22:33,180 versus having them ride the school bus due to COVID, 1626 01:22:33,180 --> 01:22:35,600 and so we are evaluating that, 1627 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,560 and seeing if that does need, 1628 01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,080 additional improvements need to be made 1629 01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:40,240 from a timing perspective. 1630 01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:42,520 So this is specifically a project 1631 01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,800 that's already been planned, regardless of anything else 1632 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,240 that's going on in the area. 1633 01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:51,160 - I'll sneak it in under E5 anyway, so that's all right. 1634 01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:55,440 I did specifically mention the signaling in my comments, 1635 01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:58,720 but I take your stern correction there. 1636 01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:05,200 - I also want to mention that this is proposed 1637 01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,660 to go to Council on August 10th, 1638 01:23:07,660 --> 01:23:10,460 for adoption and approval through the City Council. 1639 01:23:10,460 --> 01:23:14,680 So this is something that TxDOT is very interested in us 1640 01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:15,840 moving through the process, 1641 01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,880 as the way that they actually bid these projects, 1642 01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,640 it's not just the City of Denton, 1643 01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,200 it's also the City of McKinney. 1644 01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,440 So they're very interested in getting this completed 1645 01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:26,320 so that they can have the contractor go out 1646 01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,440 and do the improvements to these signals 1647 01:23:28,440 --> 01:23:29,800 for these multiple cities. 1648 01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:33,520 - I think it's great, thank you so much. 1649 01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,240 Have you presented to us before? 1650 01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:36,560 - No, this is my first presentation. 1651 01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,200 - I thought so, congratulations. 1652 01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:39,660 - Thank you, thank you. 1653 01:23:41,460 --> 01:23:43,000 - Are we good? 1654 01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:43,840 - Yeah, we're good. 1655 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:44,660 - Yeah, okay. 1656 01:23:44,660 --> 01:23:45,500 (laughing) 1657 01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:47,280 - Yes, you had to look like, 1658 01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:48,480 there was a thing I wanted to say 1659 01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:49,960 and you neglected to ask me. 1660 01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,100 (laughing) 1661 01:23:52,100 --> 01:23:53,800 - I just finished my talk, you heard me. 1662 01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:55,920 - Yeah, wow, I want some of that. 1663 01:23:55,920 --> 01:24:01,920 Okay, so moving on to item E, MC21-029 staff report. 1664 01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:07,040 - Wonderful, well thank you so much. 1665 01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,380 I know all of you know me, but I am Becky Devaney, 1666 01:24:09,380 --> 01:24:11,720 the City Engineer and Director of Capital Projects 1667 01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,280 and I have an exciting announcement. 1668 01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,400 I know this is a much awaited position. 1669 01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,320 And so the first item on our agenda today 1670 01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,340 is for Mr. Nathan George to come up to the podium. 1671 01:24:22,340 --> 01:24:24,040 (applauding) 1672 01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,720 And introduce himself. 1673 01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:30,520 Nathan is going to explain to you some of his education, 1674 01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:32,960 experience, technical background. 1675 01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,120 Nathan started with us on Monday 1676 01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,000 and he is our new Senior Planner, 1677 01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,840 Bicycle Pedestrian and ADA Coordinator. 1678 01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:41,920 And so I'm gonna turn this over to Nathan 1679 01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,620 so he can visit with you briefly. 1680 01:24:44,620 --> 01:24:46,960 And I know there's gonna be much more opportunity 1681 01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,240 for us to have other conversations. 1682 01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,760 And so he is at the point, I guess it's been three days, 1683 01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,540 so I would say he probably could mention to you 1684 01:24:55,540 --> 01:24:57,400 that he is drinking from a fire hose, 1685 01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:59,520 as they say from this point. 1686 01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,560 But he's ready to go and already tackled 1687 01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,760 a few things for us and been in the field. 1688 01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,160 So we're very delighted to have him 1689 01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:08,880 and I'm gonna turn it over to Nathan. 1690 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,400 - All right, so my name is Nathan George. 1691 01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,160 I'm very happy to be here. 1692 01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,880 When I told people I am moving to Denton, Texas, 1693 01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,240 the first question people asked me 1694 01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:18,580 was why are you moving to Texas? 1695 01:25:18,580 --> 01:25:19,960 Do you have family there? 1696 01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,200 I am an East Coast based individual. 1697 01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,040 So I come to you from Washington, D.C. 1698 01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:26,880 Worked in the consulting field. 1699 01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,360 I've spent almost 20 years in this field 1700 01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,280 working transportation, land development 1701 01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:37,040 and the bulk of my time has been in the transportation sector. 1702 01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:40,360 So the reason that really drew me here 1703 01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,440 was that I was looking for a new opportunity. 1704 01:25:42,440 --> 01:25:44,600 I wanted to transition out of the private sector 1705 01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:48,200 into the public sector and put a lot of my experience to use 1706 01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,840 during the types of projects that I was able to glean 1707 01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,200 from a lot of research on the city 1708 01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,840 that are of interest, bicycle and pedestrian access, 1709 01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:01,320 safety, all those things that are really the subjects 1710 01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,440 that generated a lot of interest in this position. 1711 01:26:04,440 --> 01:26:06,240 So when I started to do some research, 1712 01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:08,020 I realized there was a really good fit 1713 01:26:08,020 --> 01:26:10,560 with your interest and with mine. 1714 01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,480 So to give you a little background on myself, 1715 01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:17,160 I have an undergraduate degree in environmental management 1716 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:18,680 from University of Maryland. 1717 01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,000 It's now called Global Campus, 1718 01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,720 but University of Maryland University College 1719 01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,400 when I went there. 1720 01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,360 And I was working in the transportation sector 1721 01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:30,200 as a traffic engineer for about a decade 1722 01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,560 that I was designing intersections and signals 1723 01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:33,400 and things like that. 1724 01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,640 And I didn't really, I wasn't an engineer. 1725 01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:37,440 I didn't really wanna stay in that career field. 1726 01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:39,040 So I was looking for an opportunity 1727 01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:42,360 to put my skills into practice in something. 1728 01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:43,640 I was a little more specialized, 1729 01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,520 found myself really gravitating to pedestrian safety 1730 01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,320 as a big issue that's very important to me. 1731 01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:51,640 So a lot of people hear bike in my title 1732 01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,480 and they gravitate towards the bike side, 1733 01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:56,120 but I actually like to focus on the ped side 1734 01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:59,560 and ped safety is really my area of specialty. 1735 01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,800 And I also really have worked on a lot 1736 01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:05,640 of innovative bike designs around Washington DC 1737 01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,200 and the mid Atlantic area. 1738 01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,560 So I have a lot of experience there as well. 1739 01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,680 So I have a really robust and full background 1740 01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:15,160 of experience that I'm bringing to the city. 1741 01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,160 I'm really excited to put that to work. 1742 01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,960 I'm really excited to work directly with leadership 1743 01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,920 to bring some of those innovative ideas to the city 1744 01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,360 and try and work out and solve some of the challenges 1745 01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:29,520 that come up on projects as they naturally do. 1746 01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,080 And happy to give you guys more background. 1747 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:35,680 You'll get to know me a lot because I'll be here. 1748 01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,440 Our family is moving here next month, 1749 01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:40,160 but I'll be here permanently 1750 01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:43,120 and looking forward to collaborating with city staff, 1751 01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,800 with the entire leadership of the city 1752 01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,320 and to making these projects very successful 1753 01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,320 and achieving your goals 1754 01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,520 because we're here to work together. 1755 01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:54,760 So if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer. 1756 01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,160 - You know me. 1757 01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:02,280 So obviously you're aware of the fact that 1758 01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:04,320 you know the issues that you're gonna be dealing with 1759 01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,320 are things that are very high priority for council, 1760 01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:11,120 very high priority for the community. 1761 01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,840 I would say that we are sort of in a period of transition 1762 01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:19,840 where we were sort of semi-rural slash suburban 1763 01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:25,160 and we're really looking to be 1764 01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,720 you know more of a dense, urban, 1765 01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:33,000 walkable, bikeable type environment. 1766 01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,960 So you've got your work cut out for you for sure 1767 01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,320 and we're very excited to have you. 1768 01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:42,560 I'm curious if you could speak to your experience 1769 01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:46,520 with ADA related issues. 1770 01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:48,920 What kind of training do you have in that area? 1771 01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:53,920 - Okay, yeah, ADA is a very comprehensive area 1772 01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,280 within the field of transportation. 1773 01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,200 A lot of my work was focused on intersection improvements 1774 01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,240 and you know I've had to 1775 01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:05,400 from a planning and design perspective. 1776 01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:08,200 So I've had to work through development of programs 1777 01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,680 to you know to bring facilities into compliance 1778 01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:14,720 at a county wide ADA transition plan 1779 01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,960 for a transit system for example. 1780 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:21,960 So you know a lot of my work did involve 1781 01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,520 making all of our transportation facilities 1782 01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,600 compliant on transportation side. 1783 01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:30,120 So you know not building that sort of experience 1784 01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:34,120 and throughout that time you know this goes back to 2008 1785 01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:37,560 when I officially became transportation specific 1786 01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:38,840 focus in my career. 1787 01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:42,560 I've had a ton of training, worked through a lot 1788 01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,200 of project specific and design specific work 1789 01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:49,680 that centered around ADA and then you know ADA pairs 1790 01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,960 with a lot of the other types of improvements 1791 01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,600 that we designed so you know that naturally comes along 1792 01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:56,680 with traffic controls and the innovations 1793 01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:01,680 that have come into practice in our field over that time. 1794 01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:03,920 So you know I'm not just looking at projects 1795 01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,000 from the ADA compliant perspective 1796 01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,560 and making sure that we're addressing those needs 1797 01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,920 but also looking at how can we improve traffic controls, 1798 01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:12,600 how does that influence safety. 1799 01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,280 So looking at it as a more robust 1800 01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,640 and holistic sort of approach 1801 01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,880 and trying to make sure that we're navigating the process 1802 01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,440 so that we're achieving sort of multiply benefits 1803 01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:24,280 if you will. 1804 01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:29,800 Segregating users, there's been a lot of work recently 1805 01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,000 where we're looking at like dedicated bike facilities 1806 01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:36,800 and how does that influence the multimodal not just ADA 1807 01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,640 but how those multiple modes are addressed 1808 01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,080 and we identify conflicts and mitigate them. 1809 01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:45,120 So there's a, we can talk four hours about that 1810 01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:46,520 so I'll just leave it there. 1811 01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:50,280 - Oh we will. 1812 01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:51,600 - Oh we will, yes. 1813 01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,840 (laughing) 1814 01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,440 - Council Member Perkins. 1815 01:30:56,440 --> 01:30:58,720 - I am so happy to see you. 1816 01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,400 My background is health and safety as well 1817 01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,000 but environmental management and all of that good stuff 1818 01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:09,000 so I'm very excited to know that there's someone here 1819 01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,840 that's gonna be dedicated to the safety 1820 01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:15,200 and well being of our bikers 1821 01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:20,200 and our multiple able people 1822 01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:23,280 here in the city. 1823 01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:26,360 And just knowing that this is a city 1824 01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:28,960 that has two major universities in it 1825 01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:33,120 where the majority of the people that live there 1826 01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:37,120 and live around there are biking, walking people. 1827 01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:40,960 So I'm glad you're here. 1828 01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:42,320 This is like a breath of fresh air. 1829 01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,160 I'll move on with my question. 1830 01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:47,560 What makes a street qualified to have a sidewalk on it? 1831 01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,680 - How do we determine where to put a sidewalk? 1832 01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:53,600 - That is a quite nuanced question 1833 01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,080 and we have been looking at the sidewalk program 1834 01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:59,200 this week since I arrived 1835 01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,000 and I got a nice briefing on that yesterday. 1836 01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,880 Typically I would tell you that a sidewalk 1837 01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,440 should belong on any urban street. 1838 01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:09,400 That's my personal opinion. 1839 01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:12,320 There are going to be some nuanced details to that 1840 01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,760 but certainly when you're in an urban environment 1841 01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:16,120 sidewalk should be provided. 1842 01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,360 It's part of a complete streets environment 1843 01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:20,280 unless drivers truly wanna be sharing the street 1844 01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,160 with pedestrians or bicyclists 1845 01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:25,280 we really need to accommodate those users 1846 01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,000 outside of the roadway. 1847 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,600 So that's where there will be some nuance 1848 01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:33,600 and I personally live on a more suburban street 1849 01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:34,720 that has no sidewalks. 1850 01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,000 There are cases where you don't have a lot of traffic, 1851 01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:38,760 traffic volumes are low, speeds are low. 1852 01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:41,480 So it's really a character assessment 1853 01:32:41,480 --> 01:32:44,240 what are the characteristics of the road, 1854 01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:45,160 the nature of the traffic 1855 01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:46,680 and that's going to help influence 1856 01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:48,760 when we should provide those dedicated facilities 1857 01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:50,680 versus when it might function a little bit better 1858 01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,240 as a shared street. 1859 01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,440 But those are certainly conversations we'll have a lot 1860 01:32:55,440 --> 01:32:56,400 as we're trying to figure out 1861 01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,760 where to put sidewalks in the city, 1862 01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:00,320 how to prioritize those needs 1863 01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:04,000 because that's a theme that I've heard talking with staff. 1864 01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:07,200 So we'll certainly be trying to figure out the answers 1865 01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:10,560 to those questions on each street segment throughout the city 1866 01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,680 as we try and put a response to good use. 1867 01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:14,680 - And Council Member Byrd, 1868 01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:16,320 I think I would just mention that 1869 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:18,280 there are city standard details 1870 01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:22,160 that show what the cross section of a roadway should be, 1871 01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:24,160 whether it's a residential street section, 1872 01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:27,920 a primary arterial, secondary arterial 1873 01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:29,520 or a collector status. 1874 01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,320 And so what our goal is is to be able to bring Nathan 1875 01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:36,120 into the design of those different types of roadways, 1876 01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:37,800 whether it's a brand new project 1877 01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:39,560 or a brand new roadway being constructed 1878 01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:44,200 or a roadway that is being rehabilitated 1879 01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:47,440 and using his expertise to see what makes the most sense 1880 01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:50,120 from that multimodal perspective. 1881 01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:53,920 So it's very much, I would say in general, 1882 01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:55,960 what we've seen and what Nathan and I've talked 1883 01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,840 in great detail about is we're very much interested 1884 01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:00,800 in getting the roadway reconstructed, right? 1885 01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:05,800 So, and I think that there is definitely a interest 1886 01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:10,920 to take into consideration all those other modes 1887 01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,120 such as sidewalks and bicycle. 1888 01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,920 And so I definitely think that Nathan's gonna be able 1889 01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:19,320 to help provide that technical expertise to our team, 1890 01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:21,600 which we're very excited about. 1891 01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,120 I would mention, there are always gonna be challenges 1892 01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:25,760 that we're gonna run into. 1893 01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:29,840 In many cases, I think from a sidewalk perspective, 1894 01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,000 as long as the right-of-way is available, 1895 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:33,960 it makes it much easier to construct. 1896 01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:37,240 But there are cases and we receive citizen comments 1897 01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:38,080 that come through that say, 1898 01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,400 I don't want a sidewalk on my property. 1899 01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:43,960 And so that does happen quite a bit and more often 1900 01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,280 than you actually probably would realize. 1901 01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:50,200 And so the other thing is many times easements 1902 01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:51,640 have to be acquired just to be able 1903 01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:52,960 to put sidewalk within them. 1904 01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:54,640 So those are some of the challenges 1905 01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:57,400 that we are super excited to have Nathan on board 1906 01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,120 to take his background and his expertise 1907 01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:01,800 and look at that roadway cross-section 1908 01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,560 between Chandra and Nathan 1909 01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,480 from that transportation traffic engineering perspective, 1910 01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:10,680 and then also including that sidewalk perspective. 1911 01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:13,440 So just thought I would add that just because 1912 01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:16,760 it's a typical cross-section doesn't necessarily always mean 1913 01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:18,960 that that's going to be the method of which we move forward. 1914 01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,160 We have to do what makes sense. 1915 01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:23,800 And I also don't want to look at it from the perspective, 1916 01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:27,400 and I know Nathan doesn't either, of a singular road. 1917 01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:30,040 We want to take the opportunity to look at it more globally. 1918 01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:31,440 And I think you see that from our team 1919 01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:34,440 as we bring things more to you in a programmatic approach 1920 01:35:34,440 --> 01:35:39,040 versus just focusing on an individual roadway, so. 1921 01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:42,360 - Well, I'm going to express my, 1922 01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:46,920 of course, biasness to my area, District One. 1923 01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,880 It is the urban, you know, more of the urban type. 1924 01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:55,880 It's the closer-knit, smaller road area. 1925 01:35:55,880 --> 01:36:00,920 And I have seen some sidewalks in that area 1926 01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:05,040 that could definitely use some immediate attention. 1927 01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:08,120 So when you all get started, 1928 01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:12,760 would you all consider that area, you know, 1929 01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:17,760 as a priority area, it's more denser than the other areas. 1930 01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:21,360 So I'd like to see that, you know, 1931 01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:24,760 as part of your priority area that you look at. 1932 01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:28,160 - Sure, I think we absolutely can take any requests 1933 01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:30,360 that come in into consideration. 1934 01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:34,080 I will tell you, another one of our project managers 1935 01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:38,360 has worked to develop an entire sidewalk work plan program. 1936 01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:42,760 And so we have really an executed, well-thought-out plan 1937 01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:45,400 and how we take those sidewalks and incorporate them 1938 01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:48,600 into projects such as the 2019 Bond Program. 1939 01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:52,520 So definitely interested in looking at any improvement areas 1940 01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,600 of which need additional sidewalks. 1941 01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:59,200 So, you know, I definitely think that there's always 1942 01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:01,720 opportunity to see how we can do things better. 1943 01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:04,560 - Wes? 1944 01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:09,120 If I can turn my mic on, there it is. 1945 01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:13,280 So you mentioned, you know, that it's not unusual 1946 01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:18,280 to have residential areas where property owners 1947 01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:23,000 have said that they don't want sidewalks on their property. 1948 01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:26,520 And I've heard that quite a bit in D4. 1949 01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:30,680 And an area that comes to mind is Southridge. 1950 01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,240 I've heard from a lot of Southridge residents that, 1951 01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:35,640 you know, they wouldn't mind sidewalks, 1952 01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:38,040 but you know, maybe it's not a high priority for them, 1953 01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:40,800 or maybe they don't want to give up, you know, 1954 01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:42,960 yard space for that. 1955 01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:47,040 So the thought has crossed my mind, 1956 01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:49,080 and sorry to get into like real specifics, 1957 01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:52,680 but for example, an area like Pennsylvania Drive, 1958 01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:57,440 where in some places the roadway is very wide 1959 01:37:57,440 --> 01:37:58,280 and there are no sidewalks. 1960 01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:02,840 - Would you mind if I ask you to hold it for item five, 1961 01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:05,320 I'll just feel a little bit better about the unposting. 1962 01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:07,360 - Yes, I will hold. 1963 01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:08,200 - Thanks. 1964 01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:12,440 I hate to do that, but you know. 1965 01:38:12,440 --> 01:38:16,960 Yeah, and I'll just say, Nathan, welcome. 1966 01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:17,800 - Thank you. 1967 01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:20,760 - You've come to a really great community. 1968 01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,000 I think you'll enjoy living here. 1969 01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:26,480 I'll instruct you, if I may, that the correct answer, 1970 01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:29,280 if you're asked, are you from Texas, 1971 01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:31,600 is I came as soon as I could. 1972 01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:33,360 - Okay, I came as soon as I could. 1973 01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:34,320 - Well done, well done. 1974 01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:35,640 Fast learner, fast learner. 1975 01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:43,120 And yeah, I think you really enjoy living here, 1976 01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:44,600 and you have come at a great time, 1977 01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:48,240 where there's lots of support, I would say, you know, 1978 01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:51,200 demand even for becoming more multimodal, 1979 01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:53,080 as other members have said, 1980 01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:58,080 and I look forward to you helping puncture our ableism 1981 01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:03,520 and help us be, you know, as accessible 1982 01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,640 of a community as we can possibly be. 1983 01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,400 - Thanks for that. 1984 01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:10,320 I would definitely, I do wanna put in a plug, 1985 01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:14,160 is it engaged in, or the, 1986 01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:15,400 I wanna make sure that, you know, 1987 01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:18,400 folks, as they're out and they see problems, 1988 01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:20,360 let us know through that system, 1989 01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:21,320 because that's gonna be one way 1990 01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:23,280 that we're going to find some of those challenges, 1991 01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:27,000 and also, we're working through the ADA transition plan, 1992 01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:29,200 so we do have a good background 1993 01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:30,400 that I'll be working through, 1994 01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,000 that I've already started taking a look at. 1995 01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,320 So I'm looking forward to putting my skills to work, 1996 01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:37,080 and it's been a pleasure to meet you all, 1997 01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:39,520 and I look forward to seeing a lot more of you 1998 01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:41,360 in the months and years to come. 1999 01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:42,200 - Great. - Thanks. 2000 01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:43,020 - Thank you. 2001 01:39:43,020 --> 01:39:44,040 - Awesome, thank you, Nathan. 2002 01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:45,640 So as you could tell, 2003 01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:47,400 we're very pleased to have Nathan on board. 2004 01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,880 So he's had a fast, quick three days, 2005 01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:53,400 and so thank you, Nathan, for taking that time. 2006 01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:57,080 The next item that we wanted to bring forward last, 2007 01:39:57,080 --> 01:40:01,320 Mobility Committee meeting, there was a question asked, 2008 01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:03,080 and we received several questions 2009 01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:06,760 kind of over the 2012 Bike Denton plan, 2010 01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:10,960 and we just wanted to let the committee know, 2011 01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:12,440 now that Nathan is on board, 2012 01:40:12,440 --> 01:40:15,360 we are currently reviewing that plan 2013 01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:19,740 that was presented back in 2012, evaluating it, 2014 01:40:19,740 --> 01:40:23,600 looking at it in relation to the existing capital projects, 2015 01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:25,040 and then also coordinating, really, 2016 01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,280 with Nathan on future projects. 2017 01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:29,640 So definitely something that I know many folks 2018 01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,840 brought to our attention and our radar, 2019 01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:34,980 and so we appreciate that, 2020 01:40:34,980 --> 01:40:37,960 and we're gonna be working through and coordinating that. 2021 01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:42,160 So hopefully that answers some of the questions 2022 01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:43,400 that had existed. 2023 01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:46,940 No problem, sir, happy to do so. 2024 01:40:48,300 --> 01:40:52,640 We actually have been meeting with North Texas 2025 01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:55,220 in relation to the 2012 bike plan, also. 2026 01:40:55,220 --> 01:40:58,500 So just, you know, there's a lot of conversations going on, 2027 01:40:58,500 --> 01:41:02,200 and now that we have the right folks at the, 2028 01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,520 and I guess they say on the seats on the bus, 2029 01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:06,720 we're ready to rock and roll. 2030 01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:08,540 The next item I wanted to bring forward, 2031 01:41:08,540 --> 01:41:10,680 and I know, Chair, this is something 2032 01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:12,680 that's definitely been on your radar. 2033 01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:15,120 I know you've asked me about this multiple times, 2034 01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:18,580 and so we did receive your request, 2035 01:41:18,580 --> 01:41:20,440 and we have reviewed the resurfacing 2036 01:41:20,440 --> 01:41:21,800 and street reconstruction plans. 2037 01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:24,000 There's currently not an existing project 2038 01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:29,000 coordinated with Oak Street between Bradley and Thomas. 2039 01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:33,400 The new overall condition index for the streets has come in, 2040 01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,640 so this is a recent, 2041 01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:39,200 I know we were using 2015 data, 2042 01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:41,560 and Streets Department has let us know 2043 01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:43,680 that that new information has come in 2044 01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:45,280 within the last couple of weeks. 2045 01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:46,840 - Are you gonna tell us what it is on that stretch? 2046 01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:49,400 - I don't have that number available, 2047 01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:52,600 but I absolutely can get that number for you, 2048 01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:55,080 but we are going to be working through 2049 01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:57,560 how to program that street in the future 2050 01:41:57,560 --> 01:41:59,600 based on its overall condition index. 2051 01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:03,720 So definitely something that we wanna take from the concern 2052 01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:06,640 and try to work it into the overall program. 2053 01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:08,940 - Or charge admission to it. 2054 01:42:08,940 --> 01:42:10,000 (laughing) 2055 01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:11,800 - Well, yes, sir. 2056 01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:14,160 So, and then I think the last item really we had 2057 01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:17,240 on the staff update before we go to future agenda items 2058 01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:21,900 is Council Member McGuire had asked for a list of overpasses 2059 01:42:21,900 --> 01:42:23,960 for the 35 widening. 2060 01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:26,760 And so we did provide that in the Friday report 2061 01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:31,760 on July 2nd, but you'll see in your backup information, 2062 01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:36,160 really all the different intersections. 2063 01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:38,440 What I could tell you is based on kind of 2064 01:42:38,440 --> 01:42:40,800 what we are looking at overall, 2065 01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:43,040 the existing over or underpasses basically 2066 01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:44,740 are being replaced or reconstructed. 2067 01:42:44,740 --> 01:42:47,120 The only one that we're aware of to date 2068 01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:49,120 that is new is that Windsor. 2069 01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:52,760 And I think you've seen that come for you before 2070 01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:54,200 with the Westgate presentation. 2071 01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:58,280 So that is the one that we are aware of at this time. 2072 01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:02,760 So if anybody has any questions on that, 2073 01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:03,680 I'd be happy to answer. 2074 01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:05,960 If not, we can move on to future items. 2075 01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:11,960 - Oh, I just want to express my disappointment 2076 01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,040 that I missed the boat on that scripture. 2077 01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:21,480 - So we're good on four for the moment, yeah. 2078 01:43:21,480 --> 01:43:25,000 And then, but why don't you go ahead, we're on five now. 2079 01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:29,720 You had some items that you wanted to look for focus on. 2080 01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:34,420 - We actually, let's see, on the future staff reports, 2081 01:43:34,420 --> 01:43:38,800 I do believe that we have request, 2082 01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:41,720 we have actually been working through several of these. 2083 01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:43,360 If you'd like, I can go through and update 2084 01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:44,800 on each one of these and then we can see 2085 01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:46,960 if there's any additional requests. 2086 01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:50,560 So update on the senior planner, that was the first item. 2087 01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,200 So we've tackled that. 2088 01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:57,780 The third item is the traffic engineering request, 2089 01:43:57,780 --> 01:44:02,780 I can't speak, in regards to and related to Engage Denton. 2090 01:44:02,780 --> 01:44:05,280 And we're kind of working through that 2091 01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:06,600 for a potential heat map. 2092 01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:09,320 I think some of this actually we're working on 2093 01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:12,080 in coordination with the process of moving 2094 01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:15,120 from the Engage Denton to the 311 system. 2095 01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:18,480 So that's ongoing, it's definitely something on our radar. 2096 01:44:18,480 --> 01:44:22,600 The 2012 bike plan, I know I just spoke to this 2097 01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:25,000 and that's something that we did provide an update 2098 01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,440 in the Friday report. 2099 01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:30,760 The list of overpasses, that's been completed. 2100 01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,200 And then the future plans for West Oak 2101 01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:34,760 between Bradley and Thomas, 2102 01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:36,120 and we just gave you that information. 2103 01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:37,600 I think, I guess what we could add to that 2104 01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:39,800 is you'd like to see what the OCI rating is 2105 01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:41,720 based on the new data from that. 2106 01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:44,680 I gleaned that from the smile that I saw on your face. 2107 01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:47,160 So definitely something that we can look at 2108 01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:48,600 and get from the streets department 2109 01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:50,920 is that information for that cross section. 2110 01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:54,320 So with that, I will open it up and y'all can let us know 2111 01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:57,280 other future agenda items you'd like for us to look into. 2112 01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:03,760 - Okay, so I would like this looked into, 2113 01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:06,680 but perhaps you can also provide a little bit of insight 2114 01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:08,640 regarding feasibility. 2115 01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:13,640 So as I mentioned, I have heard that concern 2116 01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:17,320 from residents of Southridge in particular 2117 01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:19,600 and to a lesser extent in Denia, 2118 01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:21,400 the idea that sidewalks would be fine, 2119 01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:25,160 but they don't necessarily wanna give that right of way. 2120 01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:31,760 But for example, Pennsylvania Drive is a very wide roadway 2121 01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:36,760 that doesn't have sidewalks along the entire length of it. 2122 01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:44,400 Would it be feasible to, at some point in the future, 2123 01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:51,600 redesign that roadway to be narrower 2124 01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:57,440 so that sidewalks can, we can add sidewalks 2125 01:45:57,440 --> 01:46:00,680 without doing right of way acquisition? 2126 01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:06,760 Sorry, I couldn't get myself unmuted. 2127 01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:11,760 I think I could talk loud enough without the microphone. 2128 01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:15,760 But I think definitely that's a roadway cross section 2129 01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:17,680 that we could look at. 2130 01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:19,640 We would have to pull plat information 2131 01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:21,640 to see what right of way was dedicated 2132 01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:23,640 and what was constructed in that area. 2133 01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:27,000 I think many of the concerns or questions that we get 2134 01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:31,440 are specifically related to the fact that folks believe 2135 01:46:31,440 --> 01:46:34,120 and citizens, residents believe 2136 01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:36,800 that where the back of curb is located 2137 01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:38,280 is really where the right of way stops. 2138 01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:40,120 And in many cases, that's truly not true. 2139 01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:42,720 The right of way does go into their private property, 2140 01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:45,480 their private property line 2141 01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:47,520 and the right of way above each other. 2142 01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:50,160 And so I think in order to look at that, 2143 01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:52,560 we would just have to evaluate it from an approach 2144 01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:54,720 of where is the existing right of way line 2145 01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:56,960 and then evaluate what measures could be taken 2146 01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:58,700 if that's something that's an interest 2147 01:46:58,700 --> 01:47:03,320 as to whether the existing right of way already is available 2148 01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:04,520 for sidewalk to be constructed, 2149 01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:07,940 even if it was on one side and not on both sides. 2150 01:47:07,940 --> 01:47:10,400 The other options are, like you mentioned, 2151 01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:12,000 looking at that roadway cross section 2152 01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:16,040 to see if it's wider than it shall be 2153 01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:18,400 and if there's ways to improve that. 2154 01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:22,160 So typically those roadway reconstruction projects 2155 01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:26,560 really are based on the OCI, the overall condition index. 2156 01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,520 And so that would be another evaluation 2157 01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,080 that would be done as we look through the work plan 2158 01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:33,680 and what roadways need to be completed. 2159 01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:35,560 Obviously looking at the infrastructure 2160 01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:37,480 under the ground too that needs to be completed. 2161 01:47:37,480 --> 01:47:40,040 So definitely there's several different options 2162 01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:41,760 that can be looked into there, 2163 01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:44,200 but we would have to have the background information 2164 01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:47,880 to see the survey, where the actual right of way line is. 2165 01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:51,120 I brought up the conversation about the location 2166 01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:53,040 of sidewalks just simply from the standpoint 2167 01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:54,600 that some of the things that we hear on 2168 01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:56,080 some of the recent sidewalk projects 2169 01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:59,840 that we've been under construction on is a misunderstanding 2170 01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:01,920 that actually the right of way line, 2171 01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:03,520 like I mentioned, is the back of curve 2172 01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:08,520 where the right of way line actually goes into individuals. 2173 01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:11,000 They think it's their property because they mow it 2174 01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:14,080 and they maintain it and they water it and sprinkle it, 2175 01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:17,920 but actually in many cases that is not necessarily the case. 2176 01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:19,560 - I appreciate you making that point 2177 01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:23,400 and I would add too that like particularly 2178 01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:25,120 in the case of Pennsylvania Drive 2179 01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:27,840 that there have been concerns about speeding 2180 01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:32,200 and I would posit that that's probably, 2181 01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:35,360 there is speeding on Pennsylvania Drive for sure 2182 01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:39,280 and that the kind of excessive width of the roadway 2183 01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:40,880 might be contributing to that. 2184 01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:43,200 And I was gonna say something else, 2185 01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:44,200 but I forgot what it was, 2186 01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:46,760 so I will hand it off to Council Member Byrd 2187 01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:48,160 who I believe had something else to ask. 2188 01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:49,120 - He'll come back. 2189 01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:52,760 - Speaking of speeding, 2190 01:48:55,160 --> 01:49:00,160 I know that Moore Street is a thoroughfare now apparently 2191 01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:08,320 and I'm always getting notices from the community 2192 01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:12,640 about Moore Street is a very wide road, 2193 01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:17,640 so I know that there's going to be some utility work done 2194 01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:26,920 and I would like to see something to slow that road down. 2195 01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:30,880 I've been on that road and I've even caught myself 2196 01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,160 kind of going over the speed limit a little bit, 2197 01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:35,360 but it's a easy road to speed down, 2198 01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:38,480 so would you add that one please to the list? 2199 01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:42,520 Lakey Street, that's not a particularly wide road 2200 01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:44,760 and that may be just a community, 2201 01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:46,680 something that the community needs to work out 2202 01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:49,880 with them themselves is to take care of some of those roads, 2203 01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:52,960 but Moore Street for sure is a road 2204 01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,600 that I'm particularly concerned about. 2205 01:49:55,600 --> 01:50:00,040 But my question is for that area, 2206 01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:02,920 I know that we've already talked about the upgrades 2207 01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:04,480 and the utility upgrades, 2208 01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:08,000 can you give us the date when that's gonna start? 2209 01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:13,000 Is that a fall project and where are we gonna start 2210 01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:18,760 with the utility upgrade for that area? 2211 01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:20,640 - And what street are we gonna start with? 2212 01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:22,440 Is it Robertson Street? 2213 01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:24,480 - So that's something that we're actually working through 2214 01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:27,160 right now is the actual construction. 2215 01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:32,160 The construction began on Monday. 2216 01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:37,480 Okay, here comes Rachel, she's gonna correct me. 2217 01:50:37,480 --> 01:50:39,000 I know we began construction. 2218 01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:41,440 - Just to clarify, construction did begin on Monday, 2219 01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:44,720 but that was for the MCFC and Loft streets 2220 01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:46,200 that don't include any utilities 2221 01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:47,960 and are not in Southeast Denton. 2222 01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:51,040 So Southeast Denton construction will be beginning 2223 01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:54,440 in early calendar year 2022. 2224 01:50:54,440 --> 01:50:56,440 And we are still working through the sequencing 2225 01:50:56,440 --> 01:50:58,320 on what specific streets that will be. 2226 01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:00,400 - 'Cause I'm sure they're asking. 2227 01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:03,640 - Sure, and I would say on the Seymour actually 2228 01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:05,160 was something that happened the last weekend. 2229 01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:06,600 I'm sorry, I was getting confused. 2230 01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:08,760 I know Rachel and I were celebrating 2231 01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:11,440 that portions of the bond package construction, 2232 01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:13,880 but those were the ones that did not include utilities, 2233 01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:17,280 which I know have very interesting names of MCFC and Loft. 2234 01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:21,520 So that's really just the first initial of those roadways. 2235 01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:26,280 But the actual 2019 bond specific to the Sedna area 2236 01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:28,520 is something that we're using the Seymour approach. 2237 01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:31,360 And so that actually, we received those, 2238 01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:33,160 and you could go into greater detail if you'd like. 2239 01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:36,280 - Sure, so we've got the two packages currently 2240 01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:37,360 in Southeast Denton. 2241 01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:39,080 We've got phase A and phase B. 2242 01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:41,040 So phase B is what Becky's describing. 2243 01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:42,880 It's got the construction manager at risk 2244 01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:45,560 where we're actually reviewing those submittals 2245 01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:48,440 that we got two weeks ago for that right now. 2246 01:51:48,440 --> 01:51:50,840 Phase A is currently wrapping up design, 2247 01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:53,080 and that's what will be initiating construction 2248 01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:55,440 early calendar year 2022. 2249 01:51:55,440 --> 01:51:57,800 So before we actually go to construction, 2250 01:51:57,800 --> 01:51:59,680 we will have another community meeting, 2251 01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:00,880 and we're happy to provide, 2252 01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:02,880 because by our next mobility committee meeting, 2253 01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:06,520 we should have more finite information on sequencing. 2254 01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:07,920 We can talk to you specifically 2255 01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:09,680 about what that first street 2256 01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:11,840 or first series of streets is going to be, 2257 01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:13,880 and we can bring that back to you either myself 2258 01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:16,320 or the project manager, Seth Garcia, 2259 01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:17,400 can give you those dates. 2260 01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:20,360 But we do have movement in both the Southeast Denton 2261 01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:22,880 phase A and phase B projects, 2262 01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:24,760 both of which will be under construction 2263 01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:26,480 within the next year. 2264 01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:28,680 Right now we're just kind of working through the sequencing. 2265 01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:29,520 - Okay. 2266 01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:31,600 - And we do need to select a contractor 2267 01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:33,640 for Southeast Denton phase A. 2268 01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:35,920 So that's gonna be kind of the next leg. 2269 01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:38,160 We're wrapping up the design right now. 2270 01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:39,800 Hopefully by the end of this calendar, 2271 01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:41,920 well actually by the end of quarter three, 2272 01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,960 we plan to bring forward to the construction contract 2273 01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:47,880 to consider what contractor we're gonna hire, 2274 01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:49,560 and then that construction would begin 2275 01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:52,120 early calendar year of 2022. 2276 01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:52,960 - Thank you. 2277 01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:54,040 - You're welcome. 2278 01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:59,040 - And one other thing, just observation on Nottingham. 2279 01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:06,160 We could see where those beautiful lawns are being, 2280 01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:10,360 sidewalks are being put over those beautiful lawns, 2281 01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:13,200 you know how you were talking about earlier? 2282 01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:15,680 380 and Nottingham North. 2283 01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:18,560 I was just driving through there the other day 2284 01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:21,000 and saw where the sidewalks were being laid 2285 01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:24,520 for an area that actually needed a lot, needed the sidewalks. 2286 01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:25,360 - Sure. 2287 01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:29,760 - So, and as you were going through and saying that, 2288 01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:33,960 you know, that doesn't really belong to the home, 2289 01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:38,960 but to the city, you know, that was just a revelation. 2290 01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:41,200 And so that's gonna help with the bike path 2291 01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:44,200 'cause there's also a little fake mini bike path 2292 01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:46,000 kind of going down through that way as well. 2293 01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:50,600 That's also a very fast street because it's on a hill. 2294 01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:53,760 So, you know, it's working, it's coming along. 2295 01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:55,000 Thank you very much. 2296 01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:55,840 - No problem. 2297 01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:58,120 And I would mention that the project manager 2298 01:53:58,120 --> 01:54:00,880 on that sidewalk project has been in close coordination 2299 01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,080 with the residents as, you know, 2300 01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:05,000 they have different questions that come up. 2301 01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:08,840 And so I definitely know that she's been sending us 2302 01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:13,320 quite a bit of updates even in regards to some cardinals 2303 01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:17,120 that were in the area and another bush that was in the, 2304 01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:19,160 you know, to that level of detail. 2305 01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:21,220 You know, obviously, as you're working with residents, 2306 01:54:21,220 --> 01:54:24,380 it's very much important to us that we're communicating 2307 01:54:24,380 --> 01:54:26,600 and coordinating so that they understand 2308 01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:29,280 the expectation, definitely so. 2309 01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:32,200 I did wanna circle back to the Moore Street. 2310 01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:37,320 So I was given information by Logan, 2311 01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:40,520 our management analyst, that she let me know 2312 01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:42,040 that the actual Moore Street, 2313 01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:44,360 and I was on vacation this day, 2314 01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:47,520 but Moore Street actually was in the Friday report 2315 01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:49,640 on February 2nd. 2316 01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:52,680 And so we'll go back and see if there's anything additional 2317 01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:54,480 we need to add, but I believe we've answered 2318 01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:57,600 some of those questions in that Friday report, so. 2319 01:54:57,600 --> 01:55:00,760 And thank you, Rachel, for coming to my rescue. 2320 01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:02,140 So I appreciate that. 2321 01:55:02,140 --> 01:55:04,880 There are 90 different projects going on, 2322 01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:08,200 so I don't pretend to remember every single thing 2323 01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:09,880 that's going on within the City of Denton. 2324 01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:14,160 So we have great folks that were helping 2325 01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:15,920 get the projects moving along, so. 2326 01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:17,560 - I find I can remember three. 2327 01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:20,160 And so if you can have the other 87 on a list, 2328 01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:22,080 that's usually helpful. - Okay, well, maybe we can, 2329 01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:25,160 like, test each other in some kinda quiz or something. 2330 01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:27,560 - I have a couple of items to add. 2331 01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:28,480 - Sure, yes, sir. 2332 01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:31,640 - Actually, it was, you know, Council Member Byrd made 2333 01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:35,880 the, you know, eminently sensible comment to me earlier, 2334 01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:38,040 you know, my sharing that, you know, 2335 01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:40,280 we would not necessarily have heard 2336 01:55:40,280 --> 01:55:44,400 about how troubled that area around Hodges 2337 01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:47,360 had there not been the prospect of future development. 2338 01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:51,000 So that leads to two points. 2339 01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:54,960 One is, as I tried to tee up earlier, 2340 01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:59,320 is there a more comprehensive approach needed 2341 01:55:59,320 --> 01:56:03,280 in addition to the signal improvements at Kingsway 2342 01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:06,680 and 288 to alleviate that situation? 2343 01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:09,160 I don't expect to have the answer, 2344 01:56:09,160 --> 01:56:10,800 but I'm putting it on the list. 2345 01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:12,560 - Sure, no, absolutely. 2346 01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:15,000 And I will tell you that Chandra and I 2347 01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:18,360 have had this on our radar since about March, 2348 01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:21,920 and not specifically related to the development 2349 01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:24,840 in that area, and I'm, you know, 2350 01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:27,040 open to having some of that conversation, 2351 01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:29,600 and definitely know that there needs 2352 01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:31,440 to be additional conversation based 2353 01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:33,440 on the posting last night. 2354 01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:35,560 What I will tell you is Chandra and I 2355 01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:37,720 have been evaluating that Hodge Elementary 2356 01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:40,680 and coordinating with DISD. 2357 01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:44,360 We understood that there was a greater presence 2358 01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:49,360 of parents or caretakers that were actually 2359 01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:51,680 taking their children to school, 2360 01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:54,720 simply from the standpoint that they didn't want 2361 01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:56,920 their children to be riding the school bus 2362 01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:58,000 due to COVID. 2363 01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,800 So definitely we had improvement measures 2364 01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:02,960 that we were looking at, even making specifically 2365 01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:04,960 around Hodge Elementary that we were gonna 2366 01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:08,160 be coordinating with DISD on, even looking at, 2367 01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:09,960 in some areas, some one-way traffic just 2368 01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:12,920 to keep traffic flow during the school hours 2369 01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:15,280 and putting up proper posting. 2370 01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:18,840 What we decided and evaluated and made the decision 2371 01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:22,080 to do is wait to see to the new school year, 2372 01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:23,640 because it was something that was basically 2373 01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:26,200 gonna be enacted for about six weeks, 2374 01:57:26,200 --> 01:57:31,200 and knowing that the overall situation due to COVID, 2375 01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:33,600 we were hoping to improve and change. 2376 01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:36,320 And so when the new school year comes through, 2377 01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:38,440 we are committed to looking at that, 2378 01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:40,760 evaluating that if we need to perform additional 2379 01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:43,640 studies in that area, traffic count studies, 2380 01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:45,400 we will do so. 2381 01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:48,640 And specifically regarding that development 2382 01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:51,600 with the traffic impact analysis that was performed 2383 01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:54,200 in that area, and this is some of the information 2384 01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:56,880 that will be provided in that presentation 2385 01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:57,920 with the development. 2386 01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:01,560 There are measures that we have been working on, 2387 01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:04,120 and Chandra's reviewed that traffic impact analysis 2388 01:58:04,120 --> 01:58:06,920 three times, so they submitted three different times. 2389 01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:09,200 And we did work through with them some improvement measures 2390 01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:13,400 that could be made, such as additional turn, 2391 01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:16,760 a left turn lane into that Deerwood area, 2392 01:58:16,760 --> 01:58:19,400 along with we already knew we had the signal improvement, 2393 01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:21,280 the pedestrian improvements in that area. 2394 01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:25,520 So definitely something that's on our radar, 2395 01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:27,760 but maybe was escalated due to the fact 2396 01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:29,760 that there was a development in that area, 2397 01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:31,760 if that helps answer the question. 2398 01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:35,120 - Yep, and yes, it does. 2399 01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:35,960 - Okay, good. 2400 01:58:35,960 --> 01:58:40,440 - What it also points to, to me, 2401 01:58:40,440 --> 01:58:45,160 is the fact that sometimes unless something 2402 01:58:45,160 --> 01:58:47,440 is really screaming, flaming, and burning, 2403 01:58:49,200 --> 01:58:52,000 the public comes to us en masse, 2404 01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:54,680 it's not necessarily on our radar, 2405 01:58:54,680 --> 01:58:56,960 but it may be on yours, but I'm wondering, 2406 01:58:56,960 --> 01:59:00,080 are there other situations like that, 2407 01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:02,880 that, you know, but for some new development, 2408 01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:04,800 we might not hear about, you know, 2409 01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:08,120 are we aware of the other Hodges, 2410 01:59:08,120 --> 01:59:10,880 if there are any, around the city, 2411 01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:15,600 so that, you know, we're kind of proactively on top of them? 2412 01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:17,600 And how do we know? 2413 01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:20,720 - So I think that kind of goes into 2414 01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:22,600 not only looking at things 2415 01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:23,720 when they're brought to our attention, 2416 01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:27,160 either through an engaged in council request, 2417 01:59:27,160 --> 01:59:31,200 a citizen request, or even something that we hear, 2418 01:59:31,200 --> 01:59:32,960 you know, just from other individuals 2419 01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:35,840 within other departments and other users 2420 01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:38,480 of the roadway network system. 2421 01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:42,200 I would say that we definitely look into different, 2422 01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:45,000 whether it's a traffic impact analysis that needs to happen, 2423 01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:47,160 or a traffic study, and we have a budget 2424 01:59:47,160 --> 01:59:49,120 that's set aside, and you'll see even 2425 01:59:49,120 --> 01:59:51,200 some supplemental requests when we present 2426 01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:54,280 our operating budget to ask for additional funding, 2427 01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:58,160 to look at particular areas of which we want to focus in on, 2428 01:59:58,160 --> 01:59:59,800 or areas we want to improve. 2429 01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:03,520 Ultimately, the solution is, such as you see the HSIP, 2430 02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:05,640 to make some signal upgrades. 2431 02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:08,960 There may be some other areas where turn lanes are needed, 2432 02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:13,280 or, you know, striping signaling's needed. 2433 02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:15,800 But ultimately, our goal is to turn those things 2434 02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:18,000 into capital projects. 2435 02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:20,240 If they are in coordination with a capital project, 2436 02:00:20,240 --> 02:00:21,440 that's fantastic. 2437 02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:23,360 If they need to be a standalone project 2438 02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:24,720 to do intersection improvements, 2439 02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:26,920 we have two currently that the project managers 2440 02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:30,640 are delivering, one's the 2018, and one's the 2019. 2441 02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:33,680 So definitely there's areas that we receive 2442 02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:37,520 the heightened alert about, or we evaluate ourself. 2443 02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:38,360 - That's really my question. 2444 02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:41,920 It's not the response, which, you know, 2445 02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:47,240 we're very systematic about, it's, 2446 02:00:47,240 --> 02:00:49,640 how do we know, are we, you know, 2447 02:00:49,640 --> 02:00:52,600 is there any way that we can know proactively without, 2448 02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:54,040 you know, before people have to say, 2449 02:00:54,040 --> 02:00:56,000 hey, aren't you aware that there's 2450 02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:57,680 a screaming, burning, flaming problem, you know? 2451 02:00:57,680 --> 02:01:01,000 - Sure, and I think that's where we take the mobility plan 2452 02:01:01,000 --> 02:01:02,960 and look at those future roadway networks 2453 02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:04,520 based on the land use assumptions, 2454 02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:07,520 and that's why it's so important that the comp plan 2455 02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:09,120 and those future land use assumptions 2456 02:01:09,120 --> 02:01:11,080 take into consideration, you know, 2457 02:01:11,080 --> 02:01:14,120 what is programmed for those land use assumptions, 2458 02:01:14,120 --> 02:01:15,920 how we look at the roadway network 2459 02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:18,640 that makes sense with those land use assumptions, 2460 02:01:18,640 --> 02:01:20,400 and then evaluate those, and ultimately, 2461 02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:22,520 our goal would be to take projects 2462 02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:23,800 that are on the mobility plan 2463 02:01:23,800 --> 02:01:26,440 and turn them into capital projects, 2464 02:01:26,440 --> 02:01:29,160 and there are different studies and evaluations we do 2465 02:01:29,160 --> 02:01:31,760 based on level of service, 2466 02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:33,080 and those would be performed 2467 02:01:33,080 --> 02:01:34,640 through a traffic impact analysis. 2468 02:01:34,640 --> 02:01:38,120 So I will tell you, you know, certain areas 2469 02:01:38,120 --> 02:01:42,800 that we see that need to have improvements made, 2470 02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:44,760 many of the measures that will need to be made 2471 02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:46,640 is either through a traffic impact analysis 2472 02:01:46,640 --> 02:01:48,120 or an actual traffic study, 2473 02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:50,640 and we are proactively looking at those 2474 02:01:50,640 --> 02:01:53,080 and working through then trying to put them 2475 02:01:53,080 --> 02:01:54,560 into an actual project. 2476 02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:57,240 Westgate is another example of an area 2477 02:01:57,240 --> 02:01:59,040 where we are looking at 2478 02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:00,720 what are improvements that need to be made, 2479 02:02:00,720 --> 02:02:02,880 how do we conform to the mobility plan, 2480 02:02:02,880 --> 02:02:06,640 you know, what does the traffic impact analysis show 2481 02:02:06,640 --> 02:02:08,960 or the traffic studies show in this area? 2482 02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:10,520 - Well, I'm gonna take inspiration 2483 02:02:10,520 --> 02:02:13,000 from Council Member McGuire being willing to tee up, 2484 02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:15,200 you know, a potentially harebrained thought. 2485 02:02:15,200 --> 02:02:16,040 (laughing) 2486 02:02:16,040 --> 02:02:16,880 - Sure. 2487 02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:17,720 - And, you know, maybe, you know, 2488 02:02:17,720 --> 02:02:21,880 you can build onto it into a reasonable one. 2489 02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:24,520 You know, if we had chopper seven, 2490 02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:26,640 you know, traffic on the ones or whatever, 2491 02:02:26,640 --> 02:02:28,680 and then we'd hear about all the time 2492 02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:31,440 where the pileups are, but we don't. 2493 02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:32,600 We're not that big yet. 2494 02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:37,960 - The harebrained ideas, you know, 2495 02:02:37,960 --> 02:02:42,720 would it ever make sense to fly a drone around 2496 02:02:42,720 --> 02:02:47,720 during peak traffic times and see empirically 2497 02:02:47,720 --> 02:02:50,360 where problems seem to be? 2498 02:02:50,360 --> 02:02:53,360 - Definitely. 2499 02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:55,760 - Do you agree that that is harebrained sounding? 2500 02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:56,600 - Oh, no, sir. 2501 02:02:56,600 --> 02:02:59,480 I'm not ever gonna say any idea you have is harebrained. 2502 02:02:59,480 --> 02:03:03,080 But I definitely do know that we have drones 2503 02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:06,320 within the city of Denton and licensed drone operators. 2504 02:03:06,320 --> 02:03:09,960 I think that's something that we could get an evaluation, 2505 02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:11,600 I think, to get the actual data 2506 02:03:11,600 --> 02:03:14,040 that we would need to make the determination. 2507 02:03:14,040 --> 02:03:17,480 It's in our best interest to perform a traffic study 2508 02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:19,040 because it looks at the counts, but I think-- 2509 02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:23,240 - I mean, to give you, you know, clues where to look. 2510 02:03:23,240 --> 02:03:24,080 - Sure, sure. 2511 02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:26,640 And I will tell you too, ultimately, our goal, 2512 02:03:26,640 --> 02:03:29,280 you heard me mention the sidewalk work plan. 2513 02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:31,820 Ultimately, our goal is also to have work plans 2514 02:03:31,820 --> 02:03:34,640 for all those different areas and then, you know, 2515 02:03:34,640 --> 02:03:36,760 have all of the different needs, 2516 02:03:36,760 --> 02:03:38,620 whether it be intersection improvements, 2517 02:03:38,620 --> 02:03:41,960 whether it be sidewalk, whether it be bike lane, 2518 02:03:41,960 --> 02:03:45,820 use the mobility plan and those different sidewalk, 2519 02:03:45,820 --> 02:03:50,400 bicycle and thoroughfare plans within the mobility plan 2520 02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:51,840 as kind of that planning tool, 2521 02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:54,120 but then ultimately taking it from that, 2522 02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:55,960 putting it in an actual work plan 2523 02:03:55,960 --> 02:03:59,040 with a programmatic approach as to how we execute those 2524 02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:01,480 and then actually completing those projects. 2525 02:04:01,480 --> 02:04:04,220 So I don't think it's a bad idea at all 2526 02:04:04,220 --> 02:04:08,280 and I know I'm more than happy to talk to Chandra about it. 2527 02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:10,800 I know Chandra and I are aware of several intersections 2528 02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:12,920 that we already have concerns about 2529 02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:16,400 and so that's what we're doing is looking at 2530 02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:18,040 how do we make improvements to those 2531 02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:21,320 and I would say many of these intersections 2532 02:04:21,320 --> 02:04:24,200 are being improved through the HSIP program 2533 02:04:24,200 --> 02:04:25,520 'cause there are a handful of them 2534 02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:26,920 that are already under construction 2535 02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:30,500 and then even a few more that we are seeing come through. 2536 02:04:30,500 --> 02:04:32,920 So I guess the other thing I would mention 2537 02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:35,480 is once the land use assumptions are completed 2538 02:04:35,480 --> 02:04:37,160 from the comp plan and we can work 2539 02:04:37,160 --> 02:04:39,180 to finalize the mobility plan, 2540 02:04:39,180 --> 02:04:42,640 we can also look at what is the existing roadway system, 2541 02:04:42,640 --> 02:04:46,360 network on a specific roadway and what is it to be 2542 02:04:46,360 --> 02:04:49,420 and when is that timing so we can work on planning 2543 02:04:49,420 --> 02:04:51,280 that in more of a capital perspective 2544 02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:56,000 because that also impacts utilities, sidewalk, street light, 2545 02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:57,560 there's a whole lot of things that go into that 2546 02:04:57,560 --> 02:05:00,720 and that'll help us package up and plan those projects so. 2547 02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:03,640 - I have one more. - Sure. 2548 02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:06,480 - I know this item's been running long, we're almost out. 2549 02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:14,920 I think it's gonna be really annoying to the public 2550 02:05:14,920 --> 02:05:20,040 to see Elm, was it Elm and Locust 2551 02:05:20,040 --> 02:05:21,520 that have to get mill and overlay 2552 02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:22,640 and then undone and reconstructed? 2553 02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:23,480 - Yes sir. 2554 02:05:24,620 --> 02:05:28,480 And I don't have a solution, 2555 02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:33,480 but my request is for at least a conversation to occur, 2556 02:05:33,480 --> 02:05:38,360 but this is sort of like your kind of CIP planning project 2557 02:05:38,360 --> 02:05:39,840 that you're doing, but to have a conversation occur 2558 02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:42,840 between y'all and public communications 2559 02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:44,640 about how to communicate to the public. 2560 02:05:44,640 --> 02:05:48,880 It is bound to just really make people nuts 2561 02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:51,600 when they see it fixed and then undone and then done again. 2562 02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:54,480 And I think just kinda looking the other way 2563 02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:57,240 is probably not the right answer, it might be, 2564 02:05:57,240 --> 02:05:59,280 but I think a conversation oughta happen. 2565 02:05:59,280 --> 02:06:02,480 That's the last one I have on that. 2566 02:06:02,480 --> 02:06:05,080 So anyone else have anything on the additional items? 2567 02:06:05,080 --> 02:06:11,200 - I just have a comment on the Hodge Elementary situation. 2568 02:06:11,200 --> 02:06:13,360 - Yes ma'am. 2569 02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:16,240 - It just so happens that I'm a substitute teacher, 2570 02:06:16,240 --> 02:06:19,000 a retired teacher and started studying 2571 02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:22,160 and Hodge Elementary is one of my preferred schools 2572 02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:27,160 to go to, so I've had opportunities to put kids in cars. 2573 02:06:27,160 --> 02:06:30,000 Being a teacher, you go out there 2574 02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:32,200 and you load the kids up and everything. 2575 02:06:32,200 --> 02:06:37,200 And it is a revelation that it was more so of a problem 2576 02:06:37,200 --> 02:06:43,840 because of the COVID than it is on any other regular day 2577 02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:47,520 that I've experienced going there. 2578 02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:51,000 I probably go to that school more 2579 02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:55,440 than any other school that I attend, I like that school. 2580 02:06:55,440 --> 02:07:00,200 And it's still the same way, it's still a long, 2581 02:07:00,200 --> 02:07:04,020 it's a backup all the way, like what we saw, 2582 02:07:04,020 --> 02:07:08,400 but I don't think that it was something that extensive. 2583 02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:10,680 So that's probably why we hadn't heard about it. 2584 02:07:10,680 --> 02:07:13,960 Because the parents were used to just kinda being in line, 2585 02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:15,960 but the line flowed. 2586 02:07:15,960 --> 02:07:18,440 You know, as the kids were getting into the cars, 2587 02:07:18,440 --> 02:07:20,920 they always made sure that those kids were ready 2588 02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:24,280 to hop in those cars when the parents pulled up. 2589 02:07:24,280 --> 02:07:28,240 So, but it is, it should have been, 2590 02:07:28,240 --> 02:07:31,040 should have been looked at a long time ago. 2591 02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:35,640 But I think because of the parents bringing the kids, 2592 02:07:35,640 --> 02:07:38,480 you know, more so now because of the COVID situation, 2593 02:07:38,480 --> 02:07:40,360 that that's what we saw. 2594 02:07:40,360 --> 02:07:44,320 So I'm glad, I'm just glad we just finally addressing that 2595 02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:48,040 and also connecting with the school 2596 02:07:48,040 --> 02:07:51,480 and Didn't ISD to even make some different kind 2597 02:07:51,480 --> 02:07:55,440 of arrangements as to how they put the kids in the cars. 2598 02:07:55,440 --> 02:07:57,320 I don't know if they can go around the school 2599 02:07:57,320 --> 02:08:01,000 or change the bus section to the, 2600 02:08:01,000 --> 02:08:02,400 'cause you notice the buses were coming 2601 02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:04,700 from a different direction than the cars, 2602 02:08:04,700 --> 02:08:06,680 you know, coming back out of the neighborhood. 2603 02:08:06,680 --> 02:08:08,720 So maybe that might need to be adjusted. 2604 02:08:08,720 --> 02:08:12,040 I'm not sure how you all or if you all are, 2605 02:08:12,040 --> 02:08:15,360 I'm sure you gotta be sitting down with Didn't ISD 2606 02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:19,320 and the school itself to see how that might be rerouted 2607 02:08:19,320 --> 02:08:21,840 as well, so they, anything can help. 2608 02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:24,680 But I just wanted to just, you know, put that in, 2609 02:08:24,680 --> 02:08:28,740 put that on the table that it does still get backed up 2610 02:08:28,740 --> 02:08:30,240 even if it wasn't COVID. 2611 02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:31,080 - Oh sure. 2612 02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:33,160 - But not to that extent that we saw 2613 02:08:33,160 --> 02:08:35,000 with cars driving on sidewalks 2614 02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:37,840 because they're frustrated about waiting. 2615 02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:41,560 - Sure, and I understand that and I would say that 2616 02:08:43,720 --> 02:08:47,960 overall when individuals are picking their children 2617 02:08:47,960 --> 02:08:50,680 up from school, there's always going to be a line of cars. 2618 02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:53,640 I mean, I've experienced that myself with my own children. 2619 02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:56,400 And so, you know, I think the fact of the matter is, 2620 02:08:56,400 --> 02:08:59,960 is that for a short period of time, you know, 2621 02:08:59,960 --> 02:09:04,000 but is it to a level that is something 2622 02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:07,600 that there is a actual transportation issue 2623 02:09:07,600 --> 02:09:08,960 that can be resolved? 2624 02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:11,520 And that's really what we're most interested in 2625 02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:13,640 as we know school is gonna be starting back up 2626 02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:16,720 in a few weeks and doing that evaluation. 2627 02:09:16,720 --> 02:09:18,960 So, you know, seeing if there's anything 2628 02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:22,600 and Chandra had already come up with a great plan 2629 02:09:22,600 --> 02:09:24,200 to look at some one-way traffic 2630 02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:27,000 and we do meet with DISD monthly. 2631 02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:28,680 And so those are definitely things 2632 02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:30,200 that we will bring to their attention 2633 02:09:30,200 --> 02:09:34,680 once we have additional data to show that that is a need, 2634 02:09:34,680 --> 02:09:36,620 but we're really waiting to see kind of what happens 2635 02:09:36,620 --> 02:09:37,460 with the COVID. 2636 02:09:37,460 --> 02:09:42,460 So, and Chair, I wanted to bring up to you 2637 02:09:43,080 --> 02:09:46,600 to I do understand your concern about Elm and Locust. 2638 02:09:46,600 --> 02:09:50,120 I think from the city staff concern 2639 02:09:50,120 --> 02:09:55,120 is that currently that reconstruction is not programmed 2640 02:09:55,120 --> 02:09:58,600 and they're looking at ways to evaluate that 2641 02:09:58,600 --> 02:10:02,440 and ways to actually do the project that was to be, 2642 02:10:02,440 --> 02:10:06,080 to happen with that final reconstruction. 2643 02:10:06,080 --> 02:10:09,400 And I do understand that there will be public outreach 2644 02:10:09,400 --> 02:10:10,240 that's needed. 2645 02:10:10,240 --> 02:10:11,940 I think from a city staff perspective, 2646 02:10:11,940 --> 02:10:14,680 we're more concerned about the fact 2647 02:10:14,680 --> 02:10:17,180 that that roadway could stay in existing condition 2648 02:10:17,180 --> 02:10:19,880 and if a mill and overlay did not happen, 2649 02:10:19,880 --> 02:10:22,920 it could be a year in order for that project 2650 02:10:22,920 --> 02:10:24,240 to be able to be designed 2651 02:10:24,240 --> 02:10:26,320 and then work through the bidding process, 2652 02:10:26,320 --> 02:10:28,440 funding process and construction. 2653 02:10:28,440 --> 02:10:33,440 So although the stop gap may not be the solution 2654 02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:36,700 that would have been preferred from our perspective, 2655 02:10:36,700 --> 02:10:38,720 we are more concerned about the fact 2656 02:10:38,720 --> 02:10:41,160 that that roadway will be in a state of disrepair 2657 02:10:41,160 --> 02:10:42,600 for a longer period of time. 2658 02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:44,660 So that was really an interim step. 2659 02:10:44,660 --> 02:10:46,600 - Not mutually exclusive to do the right thing 2660 02:10:46,600 --> 02:10:48,600 and have good communication about it, right? 2661 02:10:48,600 --> 02:10:50,760 - Yeah, no, and I think that would be our goal 2662 02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:52,440 is to be able to communicate 2663 02:10:52,440 --> 02:10:54,560 and really honestly, that's our goal with everything 2664 02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:59,000 because even temporary patch that's put down many times 2665 02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:01,080 or permanent patch that's put down is torn back up 2666 02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:02,560 and then a roadway is reconstructed 2667 02:11:02,560 --> 02:11:04,880 and a lot of that just goes for the education piece. 2668 02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:07,080 So I'm definitely happy to look into, 2669 02:11:07,080 --> 02:11:08,980 just wanted to let you know that the timing 2670 02:11:08,980 --> 02:11:11,080 is really what is more of our concern. 2671 02:11:11,080 --> 02:11:12,680 And wanna make sure that that's addressed 2672 02:11:12,680 --> 02:11:15,160 because if not, I know it's going to be something 2673 02:11:15,160 --> 02:11:18,240 that we definitely are going to hear about 2674 02:11:18,240 --> 02:11:20,400 and we want to take the opportunity 2675 02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:22,240 to work with TxDOT to try to address. 2676 02:11:22,240 --> 02:11:25,720 - I remembered what I was gonna say. 2677 02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:27,040 - Sure. - It was about OCI. 2678 02:11:27,040 --> 02:11:28,840 I had wanted to acknowledge 2679 02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:31,400 that in terms of Pennsylvania Drive, 2680 02:11:31,400 --> 02:11:36,120 I'm sure like OCI, it's not a super high priority. 2681 02:11:36,120 --> 02:11:39,720 But I was just using that as an example of, 2682 02:11:39,720 --> 02:11:42,720 you know, I'd like to see us considering, 2683 02:11:42,720 --> 02:11:47,080 especially with those older residential streets, 2684 02:11:47,080 --> 02:11:49,040 the possibility of narrowing them 2685 02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:50,960 as like a traffic calming measure 2686 02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:53,520 and as a way to make them more pedestrian friendly. 2687 02:11:53,520 --> 02:11:56,800 - Awesome, I appreciate that update. 2688 02:11:56,800 --> 02:12:00,160 - We all good on the future items? 2689 02:12:00,160 --> 02:12:04,160 Yep, so we're on to concluding items. 2690 02:12:04,160 --> 02:12:07,500 Anyone else have any concluding items? 2691 02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:11,080 (indistinct) 2692 02:12:11,080 --> 02:12:12,280 - Okay, I have two. 2693 02:12:12,280 --> 02:12:19,640 First, I wanna thank City Engineer DeViney 2694 02:12:19,640 --> 02:12:22,720 and whatever her incredibly long title is, 2695 02:12:22,720 --> 02:12:27,720 Rachel, for helping on my town hall 2696 02:12:27,720 --> 02:12:32,280 and fielding questions on the spot about this stuff. 2697 02:12:32,280 --> 02:12:34,520 That's how you know that people go nuts 2698 02:12:34,520 --> 02:12:37,240 about things getting done twice. 2699 02:12:37,240 --> 02:12:40,720 But super job and second item is, 2700 02:12:40,720 --> 02:12:45,560 comments have been made regarding 2701 02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:47,160 the special session that we had. 2702 02:12:47,160 --> 02:12:52,160 And I just want to underscore my view 2703 02:12:52,160 --> 02:12:56,600 that first of all is terrific management 2704 02:12:56,600 --> 02:13:01,160 of the process from staff to have there be a way 2705 02:13:01,160 --> 02:13:04,920 for council to express as a body, 2706 02:13:04,920 --> 02:13:08,440 you know, our guidance to our DCTA rep. 2707 02:13:08,440 --> 02:13:13,440 And furthermore, I just think you did an outstanding job 2708 02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:15,400 of managing the special session. 2709 02:13:15,400 --> 02:13:19,320 It's not an unusual, it was not a usual situation. 2710 02:13:19,320 --> 02:13:20,880 It was a special situation. 2711 02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:25,880 And I would say that when it's sort of high stake stuff 2712 02:13:25,880 --> 02:13:29,480 that really matters and there's time pressure on it, 2713 02:13:29,480 --> 02:13:33,040 what that looks like, having spent 30 years 2714 02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:34,040 in the private sector, I would say 2715 02:13:34,040 --> 02:13:36,880 that looks like work, that's how work looks. 2716 02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:39,600 That's how teamwork looks when it's done. 2717 02:13:39,600 --> 02:13:42,200 It's really hard and complicated 2718 02:13:42,200 --> 02:13:45,880 and takes a lot of focus and you just did great. 2719 02:13:45,880 --> 02:13:48,160 And I think the proof is in the pudding 2720 02:13:48,160 --> 02:13:50,320 that there was a very clear communication 2721 02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:53,800 to council of the intention and it ultimately 2722 02:13:53,800 --> 02:13:56,800 achieved a super majority so they were able to vote on it. 2723 02:13:56,800 --> 02:14:00,160 So thank you very much for working in an unusual way 2724 02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:01,880 and I underscore the word working. 2725 02:14:01,880 --> 02:14:03,960 Not always comfortable, that's what work looks like. 2726 02:14:03,960 --> 02:14:05,080 - Thank you. 2727 02:14:05,080 --> 02:14:06,960 With that, I'll close the meeting. 2728 02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:08,920 Thank you, we're adjourning at 11.15.