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 Good afternoon and welcome to this special call meeting of the Mobility Committee.

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 We have a quorum and we have only one item for individual consideration for this special

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 meeting which is to receive a report, hold a discussion and give direction regarding

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 a proposed resolution outlining concerns and proposed revisions to the Denton County Transportation

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 Authority's DCTA modified service delivery model to include on-demand zone service and

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 the potential removal of existing fixed route bus service that will significantly impact

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 transit services in the Denton community.

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 And I would just like to say a couple sort of opening remarks.

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 The objective of this meeting is to craft a document for council to deliberate on and

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 ultimately hopefully to adopt in order to give direction to our representative.

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 Because he's had the opportunity to hear individual input, but what I'm really hoping we'll be

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 able to accomplish is to kind of formalize consensus direction for representation.

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 The other opening remark I'll say is this is weird that we're doing this in chambers.

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 It doesn't exactly feel like a work session type of setting, but my hope is that we can

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 kind of keep our mics on and really just have an active discussion and hopefully go point

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 for point and see where we have overlap and agreement.

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 Who's going to run the staff side?

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 Okay.

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 So we have Becky DeViney.

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 I'll let you just open it.

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 Yes, sir, Chair.

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 Thank you so much.

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 So Becky DeViney, City Engineer, Director of Capital Projects.

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 Today we have Rachel Wood.

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 She's going to be making a presentation to talk through the actual report and discussion.

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 We also have a draft resolution that has been crafted.

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 And so I'm going to ask Rachel to come forward and walk through a presentation and then we'll

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 open up the opportunity to have that work session.

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 So with that, I'll turn it over to Rachel.

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 Thank you, Becky.

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 So this is going to be a really quick presentation.

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 Just going to summarize the information that we've received today and then from there we'll

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 actually open up the Microsoft Word document and start making edits based on the feedback

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 received from the committee today.

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 I will note we have gotten some additional feedback today that's not folded into today's

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 And, of course, the resolution that was attached was simply for reaction purposes.

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 So very preliminary draft.

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 I just know I work better whenever I don't have a blank sheet of paper and have something

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 So that was our attempt was just to kind of take some of that preliminary feedback we

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 received on the 16th and 17th when we had individual conversations with you all just

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 so that you had something to kind of wordsmith off of.

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 So just a quick overview.

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 As I mentioned, we're going to give some of the feedback that we got.

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 This really is a continuation of that June 16th Mobility Committee meeting.

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 And then we'll dive into the actual draft resolution itself.

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 Mr. Chair has already kind of hit on this, but really just for the record, just to kind

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 of explain the intent a little bit further, the DCTA Board of Directors is set to meet

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 on July 22nd to vote for the proposed revisions to their service delivery model.

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 Due to the summer break, City Council will not be meeting again until that same week

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 on July 20th.

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 So really the intent of today's meeting is to get that good working draft that hopefully

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 the three members of the Mobility Committee are in agreement on that we can then share

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 with the full City Council and the City Council can consider that at their July 20th City

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 The staff will then share with the DCTA Board of Directors so that they have that to inform

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 the decisions that they make at their July 22nd Board of Directors meeting.

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 So just to summarize, and again, this is only the feedback that we received from those phone

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 calls and then some of the conversation that was actually had from the dais at the June

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 Some of what we heard was concern for the drivers and union employees who could potentially

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 lose their job as a result of the service delivery model revisions.

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 So in addition to that, some of the feedback we heard was that those drivers may see a

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 decrease in payer benefits if they're hired to work for a different transit agency in

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 the Metroplex area.

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 Other feedback we heard was the concern for the impact to low income and other sensitive

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 I think we brought up concern for the underhoused or homeless population and then potentially

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 people that may suffer from mental illness.

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 Other feedback received was continue with the fixed routes, but potentially scale the

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 transit size of vehicles down depending on demand at each route.

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 to allow the community, particularly the heavy transit riders time to adjust and assess ridership

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 levels at the DCTA level now that society is returning more to those pre-pandemic operations.

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 of a halt in operations obviously due to the pandemic.

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 Other feedback we heard was that there is a preference at least from one committee member

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 to have hailable rides so that they could hail them from a specific location, similar

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 to how you would hail a taxi in a major city.

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 of DCTA's total revenue stream.

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 I will note just so that we can get through this before we kind of launch into the meat

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 of today's conversation that next steps after we get a resolution that hopefully the three

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 of you are in agreement on is we will provide a draft resolution in an upcoming Friday report

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 So I will stop sharing that and Mr. Chair, do you want me to go ahead and just pull up

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 I mean, two possible paths I see, you know, one is like let's just have an open-ended

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 I noticed the word adopt was used, the DCTA board of directors is currently scheduled

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 to adopt revisions to the service delivery model.

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 And our Title VI program currently requires a board vote for any sort of a service change

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 totally up to you all, is really once we get to section 2, that's really where the council

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 The whereas's are kind of, for lack of a better term, and I'm sure Trey can give me more specific

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 the city of Denton confirms by resolution prior discussions with DCTA staff regarding

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 concerns with proposed revisions to the service delivery model for Denton County, including

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 but not limited to the following specific items.

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 So Roman numeral 1 states that the DCTA board of directors provide assurance that the current

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 union labor will be provided assistance in securing new positions with comparable pay

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 and benefits to what they are receiving as employees of DCTA.

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 And so they are afraid and they're concerned that due to no fault of their own -- and,

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 you know, this happens to people.

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 I'm not, you know, unaware that people can get ripped it.

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 But for something like this, we want to know if they're going to be secure.

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 That's the issue there.

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 >> So there's sort of two balls in the air right now.

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 One is, you know, Councilmember McGuire said, hey, I don't actually want to see there be

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 any changes in service at all before November 12th.

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 I have things to say about all that, but, you know, so the labor impact isn't any until

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 that's there.

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 So there's the changes to service question, and then there's the resulting labor question.

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 Do you have an opinion about which one we talk about first?

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 >> You know, both are very important.

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 If I'm talking about the result of labor that this, you know, I is actually talking about,

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 I would think that the security is of the position, regardless of when it happens, as

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 far as I'm concerned, that they're going to be able to get up the next morning and go

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 to work.

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 >> Let me weigh in a little so we can see where we can, where we're going to find consensus.

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 I don't share the view that we must never change anything in terms of service.

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 >> I did not say that.

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 >> Okay.

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 >> I said no changes to the fixed routes.

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 >> Yeah, I'm entirely agnostic about that, I am.

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 My objective is maximize service to then residents.

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 And that may be some future as yet undiscovered blend of certain amount of fixed, certain

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 amount of on-demand, certain amount of available, and I don't have a preconceived notion about

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 that.

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 So but if in fact having the maximum, so my goal would be having the maximum effective

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 public transit service for the population and that may or may not result in the same

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 size labor force, right, so I wouldn't say, my personal view is I wouldn't say for all

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 time the exact same labor force, exact same pay, exact same benefits, but I think as good

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 employers and they're proxy employers for us, that I absolutely feel like for some period

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 of time, if people are going to transition off, they need some kind of protection.

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 That's my point of view.

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 So I wouldn't, I'm not saying you must share this, I'm just saying where are we going to

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 find the common ground?

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 Is there a common ground between everybody's got to have the exact same job for all time

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 or if there is, if there are changes, what do you do that's responsible, you know?

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 So do you see common ground between the thoughts we've all expressed so far on the labor piece

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 if you want to take up that piece first?

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 Yeah, absolutely.

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 So you know, just brainstorming one possible solution that might provide a little bit more

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 stability but not necessarily be, these people must remain employed until they retire period

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 type of a thing, could be that, you know, instead of these drivers no longer being employed

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 by, I'm trying to recall the name of the agency, the North Texas Mobility something, what is

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 the name of the organization that actually directly employs the drivers?

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 It's the North Texas Mobility Corporation.

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 There we go, I was close, North Texas Mobility Corporation.

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 So would it be feasible for us to say we would prefer that instead of these drivers being

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 you know essentially riffed by the North Texas Mobility, no, the North Texas thing, instead

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 of being riffed by that organization and then hired by VIA, could they maintain their employment

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 with their current agency, could VIA then contract with the agency that they're working

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 for now and would that perhaps help them retain their union representation which could potentially

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 improve that stability?

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 Well is there a way to get to the principle that you're going for without necessarily

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 prescribing the solution because there may or may not be ways, that may be the exact

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 right answer, you know, I just don't know what the various obstacles might be organizationally

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 but in terms of directing our representatives like what's the principle you're trying to

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 achieve is a way, just find a way for them to be able to retain their union membership

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 and pay end benefits if they continue to work on DCTA public transit?

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 I would be amenable to that, I do think that union representation needs to be a priority

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 in addition to pay end benefits.

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 So how about let's put a pin on that issue for the moment with just the guidance to staff

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 that were trying to say that, that some way for them to retain...

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 Not just union pay but union membership and representation.

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 Yeah, a way for them to retain their representation, pay and benefits if they continue to work

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 for DCTA.

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 That sounds reasonable enough to me.

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 So there's some overlap.

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 So let's go for the heart of the beast here.

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 The proposal is transition, you know, keep two bus routes, stop the rest, replace with

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 GoZone.

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 Is there a difference between your view and that view?

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 Yes.

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 Yeah, go ahead.

312
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 Well, clarify again, what did you say?

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 What's been presented to us is the plan that is, if nothing else changed, absent our direction

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 to our representative, the plan would be summarizing, correct me if I get anything wrong here, keep

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 two bus routes, cut off the others, and in some way transition people to on demand.

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 And then later cut the other two bus routes six months later, correct?

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 I don't believe I've heard that.

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 My understanding was that the end game of this was to have zero fixed bus routes.

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 I don't think that's correct, but perhaps we can get some clarification.

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 Nicole, do you want to answer that?

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 Sure.

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 So the original proposed plan included operating all of existing fixed route service in concurrence

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 with GoZone for a period of two weeks, and then retain routes three and seven that would

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 operate for a period of six months.

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 So that was the original intent.

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 I will tell you that our board last week had a discussion about considering looking at

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 routes three and seven and operating them for a longer period of time, and also extending

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 the overlap of existing fixed route services as they are today with the launch of GoZone.

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 So there has been some discussion at that level.

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 I have to be completely honest.

331
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 It's super hard for me to hear you.

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 I hear most of the words, but it's just not super crisp.

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 I wonder if there's anything we can do, because what you have to say is so important.

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 Is this any better?

335
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 Yeah.

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 Yeah, I think so.

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 So let me say back what I think I gleaned.

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 The proposal had been everything stays the same for two weeks, then all the fixed routes

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 except three and seven go away, the three and seven continue for six months.

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 But now there's an alternative view, and that was the part I couldn't get clearly.

341
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 Sure.

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 So the board had some discussion last week, and they discussed two potential options.

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 So staff is bringing costing back to our board at the July meeting.

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 So they're looking at increasing the frequency of routes three and seven, as well as considering

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 operating it longer than three months, longer than six months.

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 And they're also looking at potentially providing some connectivity for that North Texas Express

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 route.

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 Okay.

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 So there's some discussion about continuing those services longer than six months, three

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 and seven.

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 And then they're also considering the original launch had existing fixed route service as

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 it is today in GoZone operating concurrently for two weeks.

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 They are considering having them operate concurrently longer in order to accommodate that educational

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 period.

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 Yeah, but with a goal to transitioning on some timeframe.

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 And then when you say to operate for six months, you know, that idea, you know, or some period

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 longer than that, is that with the intention of at the end of that time, then they will

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 go away too, as Councilmember McGuire was indicating?

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 The original intent was to remove routes three and seven after six months pending data analysis.

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 So the reason that we would continue routes three and seven is understanding that they're

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 highly utilized, and we wanted to make sure that we were looking at ridership data, basically

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 looking at how people are choosing to ride.

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 Are they choosing to use the fixed route service, or are they choosing to use GoZone?

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 And then based on that data, the board would then make a decision whether to remove routes

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 three and seven or to keep them.

366
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 Okay.

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 So I don't know if that squares or supplements your prior understanding or?

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 It does.

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 I mean, it's, yeah, that's, yeah, my understanding was that that was what they were considering.

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 I'm glad to hear that the DCTA board is now considering, at the very least, expanding

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 those periods.

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 So if the DCTA board were to expand the period during which the via vans and the fixed routes

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 are running concurrently, would there be any room for perhaps a new board in November to

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 make alterations to that plan going forward?

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 Or is it, you know, what gets voted on on July 22nd is what's going to happen?

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 So what is voted on on July 22nd is what would be slated to launch for September 7th.

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 You know, I would say our board is quite innovative and they have a lot of great discussion on

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 a monthly basis about potential changes.

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 And so it's certainly possible that there could be further changes, whether it be, you

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 know, a modification to existing service or a growth potential for existing service.

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 So I would say, you know, our board is having those discussions every month.

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 Even if the board so chose to discuss and ask staff to bring that back, something back

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 for consideration, we would absolutely do so.

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 You know, I want to be really frank with you.

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 I personally am and I could get like outvoted, but I think it'd be good if we have three

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 out of three on things.

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 I personally am not on board with the idea of hitching our guidance to a date.

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 I think it's political and if the board does the thing that we concur with on November

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 10th, I'm all for it.

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 If they do it on November 15th, I'm all for it.

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 I'm more about what's the result that we want for Denton.

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 You know, yeah, that's kind of where I'm at on that.

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 So I'm really much more interested in understanding the guidance, the substantive guidance rather

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 than the kind of political guidance.

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 That's me.

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 That's where I'm at.

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 And I think, to say a different point, that when we hear things running concurrently and

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 see what people want, I think, I mean, I don't know, that makes sense to me.

399
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 What do you think, Councilmember Byrd?

400
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 Thank you.

401
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 I think that running concurrently is a good idea.

402
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 The two weeks part is what I'm sticking with.

403
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 It's a stickler for me right now.

404
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 It depends on when that two weeks occur.

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 And did I hear something about that that's happening sometime in September?

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 September 7th is the day when we're supposed to or hopefully we will be doing things concurrently

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 and that's for two weeks?

408
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 Yes, ma'am.

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 So the service would start on September 7th and we would operate services concurrently

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 for two weeks starting September 7th.

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 However, our board has been discussing and will be looking at costs at next month's board

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 meeting to potentially extend that overlap.

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 I hope that it's extended because it just seems like you do need more data than two

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 weeks.

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 Some people go on vacations.

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 That might be vacation time, kids are getting back in school, a lot of things are happening

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 at the first part of September.

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 What's so special about route number three and seven again?

419
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 Why do we keep hearing that?

420
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,320
 Sure.

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 So routes three and seven were chosen to remain because of the boarding thresholds per hour.

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 So route seven exceeds the minimum of 10 boardings per hour.

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 Route three is almost, it's just right under the benchmark.

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 But routes three and seven serve some very specific highly dense areas.

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 So route seven is going to connect the Downtown Denton Transit Center with Downtown, the University

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 and Razor Ranch.

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 And route three primarily serves a lot of the social service agencies that are located

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 in Denton.

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 And so those are the two routes that are going to be looked at a little later on.

430
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 They're the ones that's the second part of the deal.

431
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 Yes.

432
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 Right.

433
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 So member, we can go with Paul, you're looking at me.

434
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 I agree with you in regards to really looking at what the outcome is going to be.

435
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 I'm not really particular, you know, as to when it starts, I don't know where the November

436
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 date comes from.

437
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,000
 Term ends, right?

438
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 That's when Chris Watts' term ends on the DCTA board.

439
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 Yeah.

440
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 But like I say, my point was whoever the board members are, if they do the right thing, I'm

441
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 for the right thing.

442
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 Right.

443
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 And so I wholeheartedly agree with you.

444
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 Apparently I didn't recognize that.

445
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 But it's got to be the right thing for the right reason.

446
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 And I think that the city obviously needed something different.

447
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 DCTA is looking for something different.

448
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 We are here to support the best for the city and, you know, waiting until November or doing

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 it in September the 7th, that's something that I haven't thought about.

450
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 So I think that running concurrently is a good idea for us to go ahead and get started.

451
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 If we're going to do this, I think we need to just jump in and find out what happens.

452
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 And we have options of doing something different in a few months or by next year or whatever

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 the riders want to do.

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 But I think that if we keep going back and forth on this conversation, looking for the

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 perfect thing to say and the perfect thing to do, no one is going to be pleased.

456
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 And I think that we should just do some of these things.

457
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 And I think we should do them as quickly as we possibly can so we can get beyond a certain

458
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 point and do something different if we need to.

459
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 Let me if I may underscore my points of agreement there and see where we have all three.

460
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 I'm totally for adding new options.

461
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 I'm not compelled at all by the idea that what we have now is meeting needs exactly

462
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 as the service is configured.

463
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 And some of the issue might be frequency and it could be a bunch of things.

464
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 But adding new options can only learn.

465
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 I also agree that we need to see what happens.

466
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 My question is how long does it take to actually know what happens?

467
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 And I absolutely share your point of view that two weeks is almost random.

468
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 What you find will be almost random.

469
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 How long does it take for people to become aware of the options?

470
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:56,360
 How long does it take for them to try something that they're intrigued by?

471
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,240
 How long does it take to see if they'll repeat?

472
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:04,040
 I mean, I'm using a bit of a consumer products model, but I think for patterns to be established

473
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,320
 and to really see where it shakes out, I don't know, I'm kind of throwing this out, but I

474
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,960
 would think you'd need at least six months to really see.

475
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:18,720
 And if in fact zero people ride the bus, everybody rides goes on, I think that would lead to

476
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:20,680
 a different conversation.

477
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:27,120
 I have no preconceived notion that that would be the case.

478
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:34,080
 Just to say a little more, sorry for the long speech, one of the much-vaunted benefits of

479
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,960
 what has been proposed is the flexibility to fine tune it.

480
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,160
 So why throw that away?

481
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,080
 We clearly don't know enough to throw anything away yet.

482
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,320
 Let's have the learning, as was originally proposed.

483
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,920
 This was supposed to have been a trial in the first place.

484
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,760
 Let's get the learning and fine tune the mix.

485
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:53,760
 That's kind of where I'm coming from.

486
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,200
 I will now be quiet for a while.

487
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,800
 And Council Member McGuire, you look like you're ready to say something.

488
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:04,960
 No, I think you well articulated some of the points that I was trying to make.

489
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:13,440
 I think that we all have the goal of we want to see our city have a robust public transportation

490
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,640
 system.

491
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,200
 We want ridership to go up.

492
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:23,640
 We need for ridership to go up because with the population growth, the way that it's happening,

493
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:30,000
 we can't continue to support the overwhelming majority of individuals in our city driving

494
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,000
 their own cars.

495
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,360
 We need to increase ridership significantly.

496
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,500
 And I think that a multimodal approach that includes on-demand, that includes hailable

497
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:47,200
 services and that includes some fixed routes is the way to go probably, but we need more

498
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:52,680
 information to know what exactly the right mix is of those.

499
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,000
 And we need that flexibility.

500
00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:01,160
 And I do think that having on-demand service in addition to fixed route services for at

501
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:08,000
 least I think six months is a great period of time, that would be enough time for us

502
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,280
 to really gather some data.

503
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:15,840
 And if there are adjustments that need to be made to the fixed routes, that would give

504
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:22,840
 us time to figure out, or DCTA staff, more to the point, time to figure out what those

505
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,680
 adjustments need to be.

506
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:31,000
 So yeah, I think that that's, yeah, I think that that really gets at the heart of what

507
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,720
 all of us want, which is a strong public transportation system.

508
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,760
 Yeah, an opportunity to find out what that is.

509
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:37,760
 Yeah, Council Member Bird.

510
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:43,280
 And with that six months there, and I agree with the six months, you know, the city is

511
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:48,480
 so diverse, it just has these colleges and universities, we got new people moving in,

512
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:54,080
 we have the core of the city is getting ready to kind of change up a little bit with added

513
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,280
 features of moving people and all of that.

514
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,440
 So yeah, I like the idea of the six months.

515
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,520
 Let's go ahead and keep that in there if we can, since it looks like that's what we agreed

516
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,520
 on.

517
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,520
 We have found consensus.

518
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,520
 We have found consensus on one thing.

519
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:08,520
 Yes, that thing.

520
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,520
 But pin on that one.

521
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,520
 We'll make it green.

522
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,520
 Yeah, make it green.

523
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,320
 That's good, that's good, make it green.

524
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,960
 Okay, so let's go down and are we in agreement with that?

525
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,080
 Can we leave that there?

526
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:25,040
 I would tweak the wording slightly, rather than say to allow transit riders time to adjust,

527
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:30,440
 I would say to allow DCTA time to gather data.

528
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:37,080
 Yeah, and to, now this is my business background, but this may not mean anything to anybody

529
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:44,680
 else, but optimize the mix is the phrase that comes to mind for me, because that includes

530
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:50,920
 the possibility that there will be a mix in the future, you know, not with the assumption

531
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,320
 that like, yeah, we're definitely transitioning, this thing's going away.

532
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,400
 No, I have no preconceived notion like that at all.

533
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:04,280
 What if you find out that post COVID ridership on the fixed routes continues to rise, you

534
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,760
 know, that would lead you to say, okay, right size the vehicles, maybe, if we don't want

535
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,480
 to beat the heck out of our roads, the buses run it empty, but you know, if there's in

536
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,360
 fact 10 people and, or whatever the number is, and it fits in a van, then run vans, but

537
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,720
 keep them, you know, optimize the mix is what I'm wondering for.

538
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:27,040
 If I can keep, actually keep us off the text a little bit, I know I'm going against how

539
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:34,040
 I started, but I kind of like surfing from issue to issue here as we talk about it.

540
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:41,920
 I'm the one who brought up hailable, for better or worse, Allison just mentioned it again,

541
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,000
 so I think she's at least interested.

542
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,800
 I'm not trying to create peer pressure for you, but is that, Councilman Byrd, is that

543
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:55,680
 something that you think is interesting, should be included in the mix, you know, you'd want

544
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,680
 to encourage exploration of, or nah, not so much.

545
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,480
 Nah, not so much.

546
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:07,220
 I'm not interested in hailable rides, I just think that, you know, we got a whole crop

547
00:39:07,220 --> 00:39:16,000
 of millennial people that are not used to and not interested in hailable rides, so I'll

548
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,000
 just leave it right there.

549
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,100
 You know, I don't have a deep inner need to make it be in the resolution, I'm happy to,

550
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:30,600
 you know, bring it up again to full council at some future time, if necessary, you know,

551
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,400
 I won't belabor the point, I'll only say this if it comes up again, if in fact, this will

552
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:42,120
 help us get to another topic, if in fact we like the idea of going without fares, it makes

553
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:49,640
 hailable possible, more possible, if I don't have the need to collect a fare, then I don't

554
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,880
 have to figure out how to take payment, then it's easier for me to go, the person's raised

555
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,320
 their hand, I can stop and pick you up, they don't need to have a special card or anything,

556
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,260
 it's my burden, and actually, I don't need to recognize you, we can just talk.

557
00:40:02,260 --> 00:40:06,240
 Well, I don't want to talk over you.

558
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:12,920
 Hailable rides, I mean, I'm just thinking, we have, we would have fixed routes, we would

559
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:23,360
 have on-demand, and we would have hailable rides, those who, how, I wonder how would

560
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:32,160
 this company dissect between the hailable ride cars and the fixed, and the on-demand

561
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,160
 cars?

562
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,520
 Well, since you're keeping the topic alive, I'll give you my, how I think it works.

563
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,000
 So, I mean, are they going to be, who's out there on University Drive saying, hey, hey,

564
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,560
 hey, you know, pick me up?

565
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:53,320
 To me, it works like this, it's not different cars, it's if somebody has scheduled an on-demand

566
00:40:53,320 --> 00:41:00,560
 ride, and they're on a path, and they're going right by you, and you're standing on a corner,

567
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:08,360
 you and your daughter, and you hold up, for the minutes, I'm holding up two fingers, like

568
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,680
 I need two seats, and it's like, I've only got one person here, I could totally take

569
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:18,480
 you, I could stop and take you and your daughter, that's hailable, they're allowed to stop

570
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,480
 and pick you up.

571
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,880
 Okay, and then I'm the person in the car.

572
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:24,880
 You're the driver now?

573
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:38,520
 No, I'm the passenger, in the car, that did the on-demand, and possibly paid, so, well,

574
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:45,760
 I can see me getting a bit frustrated in me, my driver, stopping to pick up people, and

575
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,280
 I have to be somewhere at a certain time.

576
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,480
 Now on-demand is not a private cab.

577
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,480
 I know.

578
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:58,240
 You know, they're already going to pick up multiple passengers along the way, I believe,

579
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:08,840
 but let's ask Nicole to help us on that, our understanding of when somebody has scheduled

580
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:14,800
 a ride, what is the role of the other seats in the vehicle?

581
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,840
 Sure, so let me address the hailable ride piece of it.

582
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:25,480
 So VIA has used the hailable ride system before, and we've had some preliminary discussions

583
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,560
 with them about it.

584
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:35,120
 Part of their recommendation is, because this on-demand service would be new to our service

585
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:41,720
 area, is to launch the GoZone service as proposed, and find out what are those pick up and drop

586
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:46,000
 off points that are really popular within each of the zones, because that might give

587
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:52,360
 us some data to determine what we would consider like hailable ride zones.

588
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:59,520
 Those zones would require us to add additional fleet to the fleet number for each of the

589
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:04,920
 zones, depending on how many of those kind of hubs there are where folks can hail rides.

590
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:11,560
 The one thing I do want to point out is that hailing a ride requires kind of a larger space

591
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:17,160
 than like a normal pick up might because there might be multiple people waiting there.

592
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:22,240
 And then we would have some sort of a dedicated frequency range that we would provide saying

593
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:28,240
 like vehicles are going to go by each zone every 10 minutes, every 15 minutes, whatever

594
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,460
 that frequency might be.

595
00:43:30,460 --> 00:43:35,680
 And so while the concept of hailable is totally feasible, it would be limited to designated

596
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,180
 hubs in order to accommodate that, to accommodate more people waiting.

597
00:43:40,180 --> 00:43:42,680
 People getting off the train, that idea.

598
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:43,680
 Right.

599
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:44,680
 Potentially.

600
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:45,680
 Sure.

601
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:46,680
 The A train station might be one.

602
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,840
 I could see maybe Razor Ranch having a hub.

603
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,480
 I can see maybe someplace near the university.

604
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:59,040
 But a lot of that is data that we would collect in launching the GoZone service as proposed

605
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,240
 today.

606
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:09,040
 Can you clarify though, in let's say the pre-hailable world, can other people get in your car once

607
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,840
 you've scheduled the ride?

608
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,840
 Yes.

609
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:17,880
 So the way the technology works is that if you are booking a ride and the GPS signal

610
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,080
 is identifying where you are currently when you're booking that ride or where you want

611
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:28,080
 to be picked up for that ride, it's going to assign a vehicle that is one in the closest

612
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:34,840
 proximity, two going in the same direction, and three has the available space on the vehicle.

613
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:40,120
 So if somebody is being picked up four blocks from you and they're going in the general

614
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,360
 same direction that you want to go in, it's highly possible that you could get on a vehicle

615
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:50,040
 and it can stop two or four blocks away, pick up somebody else, and go in the same direction.

616
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:54,440
 It will not deviate from that general direction.

617
00:44:54,440 --> 00:45:00,000
 So a vehicle's not going to turn back around to go pick someone up or it's not going to

618
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,720
 go 10 blocks away to pick somebody up.

619
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:10,720
 So the algorithm that's used for dispatching those vehicles per trip are based on a similar

620
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:16,840
 direction or a similar path, similar destination in order to minimize the amount of time that

621
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,900
 you have to ride for your entire trip.

622
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:25,720
 So I consider myself instructed by you and Councilmember Byrd that there are problems

623
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:30,000
 with the idea of hailable en route because they might end up going on the same route

624
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,120
 and you don't know that until they get in.

625
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,560
 That's correct, and they might not have the capacity in their vehicle.

626
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,480
 Well, if they don't have the capacity, then they don't stop.

627
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,960
 That's the point of holding up two fingers if you need two seats, but the first point

628
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,960
 stands.

629
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:48,480
 And I want to propose to my colleagues here the language that in that six-month period

630
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:58,540
 that we seem to like, that's in green, that we say that DCTA should use that opportunity

631
00:45:58,540 --> 00:46:05,320
 to assess the opportunity to the potential for adding hailable hubs.

632
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:10,160
 You know, in other words, not a commitment to doing it, but if it turns out when they

633
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,400
 see what the patterns are over six months, if it turns out like there's a whole lot of

634
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:20,000
 people who want to schedule rides from the train stop, that's one of the things you could

635
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:26,520
 learn and consider after you've had six months' experience.

636
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,200
 It just sounds like to me that hailable rides, and we're talking about hubs now, that's like

637
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,200
 fixed.

638
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:37,080
 You know, we're back to the fixed, you know, the fixed transit.

639
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:43,260
 So we're supposed to be getting around that, the fixed transit.

640
00:46:43,260 --> 00:46:46,000
 Now we're talking about the fixed transit with the hailable rides.

641
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:52,280
 I just think that we're getting ready to start kind of going around in a circle again.

642
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,280
 Right.

643
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,080
 Should we leave hailable just out of it because it just makes things too complicated?

644
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:07,080
 We're now, and we're giving ourselves a chance to come back and bring that in at a later

645
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,560
 date if we feel like we need to.

646
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:09,560
 Totally agree.

647
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:15,640
 I suspect we will talk about this entire topic of DCTA at some point in the future too.

648
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:16,800
 Probably, yeah.

649
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:22,280
 And I think that the hailable rides is something that I'm interested in, I'm open to it, but

650
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,720
 it's not really, it's not at the heart of what we're talking about right now.

651
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:31,600
 But it does touch on the issue of the fares.

652
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:39,880
 Are you interested in a resolution saying evaluate having no fares, or, you know, where

653
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,000
 are you on the issue of no fares?

654
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,960
 It could be anywhere on the spectrum.

655
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,600
 Well, I have a question about that for Nicole.

656
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:59,360
 Nicole, has any type of fare study been done in the last, let's say, two, three years?

657
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:07,560
 We conducted a public involvement period about three years ago, or maybe two years ago, when

658
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,040
 DART was proposing an increase to the regional fare.

659
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:16,560
 We got feedback then, and then part of the most recent public involvement process specifically

660
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:23,520
 for GoZone, we did have a whole, like a fare survey, and information about the proposed

661
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:29,560
 fares as a promotion that we've collected feedback on.

662
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:30,560
 Okay.

663
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:37,400
 So not a study per se, but there's been feedback collected.

664
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:42,760
 And that's why we are doing the promotional period, the six-month promotional period is

665
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:48,520
 so that we can collect data on what fares are purchased, how they're used, any obstacles

666
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:56,200
 that might be an issue, so that then we can go back, do a study, and model what a final

667
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,720
 fare structure would be that would potentially go into place in March.

668
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:05,840
 Yeah, I think that sounds great.

669
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:13,000
 I would love to see a fare study done during this six-month period.

670
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,280
 Councilmember Byrd?

671
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:26,600
 I would love to see us, our compassion demonstrated by having fares for people that can pay the

672
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:32,040
 fare, and whoever can afford it can pay for it, and they probably won't have a problem

673
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,040
 with that.

674
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:40,520
 But I also can see that there, you know, a number of people that may not be able to afford

675
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:48,400
 to pay the fare, and I think that that is something that we need to recognize and demonstrate

676
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:55,160
 that we're compassionate for those people, so those people may not have to pay a fare.

677
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,080
 And if they are getting, what is it, a little card or something to demonstrate that they

678
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:04,280
 paid or whatnot, maybe we can have them in different colors for the people that can afford

679
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,400
 it, and they paid for it.

680
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:15,200
 And then the compassion side, the compassionate side of us, if there are some people that

681
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,320
 have gone through and have been vetted or what have you, I don't know how that's going

682
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,320
 to happen.

683
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,840
 I don't know if that's extra work for people and how much.

684
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:29,440
 But if they can't afford it, then they may have a stipend of some sort on a card that

685
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,480
 will help them transport themselves.

686
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:37,100
 So maybe if you do a two-tier, like a tier-level fare.

687
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:39,040
 I want to see if I can win you over, Councilman Burton.

688
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,040
 Go ahead, Councilman Burton.

689
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,840
 Oh, well, I was going to ask, again, for Nicole or for anybody who knows the answer to this,

690
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:52,720
 I know that several agencies, the one that comes to mind is Our Daily Bread, do distribute

691
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,260
 bus passes.

692
00:50:55,260 --> 00:51:00,880
 Are those like comped by DCTA or does Our Daily Bread purchase those from DCTA?

693
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:01,880
 Sure.

694
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:08,400
 So we do have a nonprofit discount program where any of our local fares are 50% off to

695
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,240
 any organization who is a 501(c)(3).

696
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:16,800
 So currently, Our Daily Bread, as an example, purchases the passes of their choice from

697
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,080
 us, any of the local options, for 50% off.

698
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,080
 Okay.

699
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,920
 So Our Daily Bread is paying for that, but they're paying a reduced rate.

700
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:25,920
 Correct.

701
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,080
 And the passenger doesn't have to pay anything.

702
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:35,020
 Are there any like -- well, first of all, how utilized is that program?

703
00:51:35,020 --> 00:51:38,500
 Are there a lot of agencies that utilize that discount?

704
00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:39,500
 There are.

705
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:40,500
 There are.

706
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:44,640
 Well, I don't know the total number, but we sell quite a few every single month.

707
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:50,120
 I mean, there are multiple organizations that reach out to us on a monthly basis to purchase.

708
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,440
 I want to try to win you both over.

709
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:53,440
 Okay.

710
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:54,560
 All right?

711
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,640
 And compassion does not play a role in it.

712
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,520
 I'm coming at it as a manager.

713
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,340
 All right?

714
00:52:03,340 --> 00:52:07,520
 It's half a percent of revenue, a rounding error.

715
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,360
 They couldn't tell if they're collecting it or not.

716
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:14,020
 I mean, I'm exaggerating a little to say that.

717
00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:19,120
 The complexity of everything you've got to do to be able to run these programs and run

718
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:24,740
 the promotion, have people in charge of it, and all that, I don't know what the cost is

719
00:52:24,740 --> 00:52:31,300
 that you would avoid by not having to deal with that, and you're giving up this little

720
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:35,020
 sliver you can hardly tell is there of revenue, and I don't know how much you're spending

721
00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:36,460
 in order to get it.

722
00:52:36,460 --> 00:52:40,380
 So I don't even know if it's a net loss.

723
00:52:40,380 --> 00:52:47,820
 Second point, there is magic, I'm telling you magic now, there is magic to the word

724
00:52:47,820 --> 00:52:49,140
 free.

725
00:52:49,140 --> 00:52:55,060
 If we really want adoption, like I live on a bus route, I've never taken the bus.

726
00:52:55,060 --> 00:52:58,900
 It's not because it costs whatever it is, I don't even know what it is, I've never had

727
00:52:58,900 --> 00:52:59,900
 to find out.

728
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:05,980
 I mean, as a, you know, a resident, but if I know, I can just do it.

729
00:53:05,980 --> 00:53:10,180
 I don't have to have a special thing, I don't have to, I don't need to know whether they

730
00:53:10,180 --> 00:53:16,300
 take coins or a card or a doohickey or, it's just there.

731
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:22,720
 The vision of Denton is a place where transportation is just there.

732
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:26,860
 I just think we're far more likely to get people out of their cars if they know it is

733
00:53:26,860 --> 00:53:31,380
 a completely frictionless experience.

734
00:53:31,380 --> 00:53:36,420
 That's where I'm coming from, possibly at no organizational cost or very minor.

735
00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:49,660
 So you know, now I think the responsible position would be to say, to evaluate the impact of

736
00:53:49,660 --> 00:53:55,940
 having no fares in terms of both of revenue and cost avoidance.

737
00:53:55,940 --> 00:54:01,260
 And then I'm kicking the can down the road a little bit, but I would also wager that

738
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:05,540
 there's strong support in our council that you'd get a, you know, probably, I don't

739
00:54:05,540 --> 00:54:11,420
 know if there's universal consensus, but I'm hearing support for it from like unexpected

740
00:54:11,420 --> 00:54:12,420
 places.

741
00:54:12,420 --> 00:54:13,420
 Disparate, yeah.

742
00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:14,420
 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

743
00:54:14,420 --> 00:54:21,620
 And I'm very interested in that whatever we put forth would have to put a bluntly five,

744
00:54:21,620 --> 00:54:25,380
 six or seven votes, because otherwise I don't think it would be compelling to our representative,

745
00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:26,380
 you know.

746
00:54:26,380 --> 00:54:31,180
 If it's like three to four, four to three, it's like, I might as well do it, I think.

747
00:54:31,180 --> 00:54:32,180
 I don't know.

748
00:54:32,180 --> 00:54:33,300
 But if it's very strong voice.

749
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:36,020
 So I think that's an item that could get support.

750
00:54:36,020 --> 00:54:43,340
 So what would you think about saying evaluate the cost and revenue impact of eliminating

751
00:54:43,340 --> 00:54:44,700
 fares?

752
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:48,580
 I like having that particular language in there.

753
00:54:48,580 --> 00:54:54,100
 And yeah, I would ask that you include, to include an evaluation of the impact of potentially

754
00:54:54,100 --> 00:55:04,100
 eliminating fares, taking into account the cost savings in terms of labor and other logistics

755
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:07,040
 that are involved with collecting fares.

756
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:14,940
 You okay with that Council Member Byrd?

757
00:55:14,940 --> 00:55:15,940
 You know, I could do free.

758
00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:16,940
 Why not?

759
00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:17,940
 Free is good.

760
00:55:17,940 --> 00:55:21,380
 I was just selling for evaluative and you're already there.

761
00:55:21,380 --> 00:55:29,880
 I'm free in evaluating the, you know, the possibility of eliminating the potential to

762
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,860
 eliminate fares.

763
00:55:32,860 --> 00:55:39,180
 I'm just concerned, you know, it's only getting a sliver anyway.

764
00:55:39,180 --> 00:55:40,180
 That's it.

765
00:55:40,180 --> 00:55:44,580
 So if we eliminate the fares, there's not even that sliver.

766
00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:46,500
 It doesn't give us any kind of room to...

767
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:49,260
 Does it cost you a sliver to collect the sliver?

768
00:55:49,260 --> 00:55:51,460
 You know what I mean?

769
00:55:51,460 --> 00:55:52,460
 I understand.

770
00:55:52,460 --> 00:55:57,060
 So how, and you say for the six months, is this trial or is it to evaluate?

771
00:55:57,060 --> 00:56:00,060
 How long are they evaluating them?

772
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:01,060
 Well, I don't know.

773
00:56:01,060 --> 00:56:03,260
 I mean, I think it's a paper and pencil exercise really.

774
00:56:03,260 --> 00:56:04,260
 Okay.

775
00:56:04,260 --> 00:56:13,060
 So I don't really have a point of view on, yeah, I'm saying initially, you know, analytically

776
00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:14,060
 investigate it.

777
00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:16,380
 You know, not, I'm not saying necessarily launch it.

778
00:56:16,380 --> 00:56:17,380
 See if there's a...

779
00:56:17,380 --> 00:56:18,380
 See if the case is supportable.

780
00:56:18,380 --> 00:56:19,380
 Yeah.

781
00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:20,380
 You know what I mean?

782
00:56:20,380 --> 00:56:21,380
 Okay.

783
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:25,260
 Look at the dollars that are collected via fares and look at the amount that is spent

784
00:56:25,260 --> 00:56:26,740
 on collecting fares and subtract.

785
00:56:26,740 --> 00:56:27,740
 Yeah.

786
00:56:27,740 --> 00:56:30,140
 So they can make an intelligent decision, right?

787
00:56:30,140 --> 00:56:35,220
 I'm just looking at, you know, the time of year when things like that could be looked

788
00:56:35,220 --> 00:56:36,220
 at.

789
00:56:36,220 --> 00:56:40,860
 So I would suspect that the fall semester is the busiest time of year for the city of

790
00:56:40,860 --> 00:56:45,860
 Denton between, you know, September and December.

791
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:54,420
 But I think you may, if I can interrupt you a little bit, you may want to go step-wise

792
00:56:54,420 --> 00:56:57,780
 into this because you're already testing a lot of variables, right?

793
00:56:57,780 --> 00:57:03,580
 You're testing on demand, you know, the service types on demand with fix.

794
00:57:03,580 --> 00:57:09,020
 You know, you may not want to introduce the fare question at the same time because then

795
00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:10,460
 who knows what you learned.

796
00:57:10,460 --> 00:57:18,980
 So it may be that, maybe even in the six-month period, you're just doing the analytical,

797
00:57:18,980 --> 00:57:24,420
 is there a business case to be made that this is doable.

798
00:57:24,420 --> 00:57:28,820
 Then at the end of six months, now you're making decisions about the optimal service

799
00:57:28,820 --> 00:57:31,300
 mix and now you can test the next thing.

800
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:33,860
 How about no fares?

801
00:57:33,860 --> 00:57:34,860
 No fares for?

802
00:57:34,860 --> 00:57:35,860
 I don't know.

803
00:57:35,860 --> 00:57:40,620
 I mean, that may be another conversation at that time.

804
00:57:40,620 --> 00:57:42,020
 Just putting it out there and just seeing no fares.

805
00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:46,420
 I mean, we want to know, is this something that we need to look at for the next year

806
00:57:46,420 --> 00:57:52,140
 or two weeks or six months or permanently?

807
00:57:52,140 --> 00:57:53,140
 What are we talking about?

808
00:57:53,140 --> 00:57:54,140
 No fares.

809
00:57:54,140 --> 00:57:59,740
 I think if we're sort of in the spirit of test your way into things with a reasonable

810
00:57:59,740 --> 00:58:07,260
 amount of time to test it, then let's say for rhyming's sake, you would test no fares

811
00:58:07,260 --> 00:58:13,260
 for six months if it's determined that the pencil's out.

812
00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:14,940
 I'm with that.

813
00:58:14,940 --> 00:58:16,620
 I can agree to that.

814
00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:17,620
 Okay.

815
00:58:17,620 --> 00:58:20,980
 So at least as guidance to our representative.

816
00:58:20,980 --> 00:58:21,980
 I like a time frame.

817
00:58:21,980 --> 00:58:25,980
 I'm seeing a head nod from Councilmember McGuire as well.

818
00:58:25,980 --> 00:58:26,980
 Yes.

819
00:58:26,980 --> 00:58:27,980
 Yeah.

820
00:58:27,980 --> 00:58:28,980
 I think I'm on board with that.

821
00:58:28,980 --> 00:58:29,980
 It's a tricky thing.

822
00:58:29,980 --> 00:58:30,980
 Again, sorry.

823
00:58:30,980 --> 00:58:35,860
 Can we either delete the word savings or add the word eliminated, eliminating.

824
00:58:35,860 --> 00:58:38,340
 I'm willing to look at the language now.

825
00:58:38,340 --> 00:58:39,340
 Where are you looking?

826
00:58:39,340 --> 00:58:42,540
 Conduct a fair study during the six-month trial period to include an evaluation of the

827
00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:47,980
 impact of potentially eliminating fares, taking into account the cost savings associated

828
00:58:47,980 --> 00:58:52,660
 with eliminating fair collection or taking into account the costs associated with fair

829
00:58:52,660 --> 00:58:53,660
 collection.

830
00:58:53,660 --> 00:58:54,660
 Oh, yeah.

831
00:58:54,660 --> 00:58:55,660
 Okay.

832
00:58:55,660 --> 00:58:56,660
 I get your point.

833
00:58:56,660 --> 00:59:08,820
 So what we seem to, what I think we have agreement on is a fair analysis during the six-month

834
00:59:08,820 --> 00:59:19,100
 trial period with the potential for a fair, with a six-month trial of eliminating fares

835
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:20,100
 after that.

836
00:59:20,100 --> 00:59:21,420
 And we're being a little overly prescriptive.

837
00:59:21,420 --> 00:59:27,260
 I mean, we're not management, but the principle is test one set of variables at a time on

838
00:59:27,260 --> 00:59:29,260
 the actual public, you know.

839
00:59:29,260 --> 00:59:31,700
 So the six-month trial would include eliminated fares?

840
00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:34,220
 No, I'm saying the opposite.

841
00:59:34,220 --> 00:59:35,220
 Okay.

842
00:59:35,220 --> 00:59:44,140
 That what we're really after, the primary focus here is evaluating the mix, the best

843
00:59:44,140 --> 00:59:47,820
 mix of service types during the six months.

844
00:59:47,820 --> 00:59:53,540
 According to that, we'd like to be ready if the analysis bears out to test elimination

845
00:59:53,540 --> 00:59:54,540
 of fares.

846
00:59:54,540 --> 00:59:57,100
 So we want to replace the word during with the word after?

847
00:59:57,100 --> 00:59:58,100
 Yeah.

848
00:59:58,100 --> 00:59:59,780
 Well, there's kind of two things, right?

849
00:59:59,780 --> 01:00:04,540
 There's the analysis and then there's a trial period of eliminating fares.

850
01:00:04,540 --> 01:00:05,540
 Okay.

851
01:00:05,540 --> 01:00:06,540
 Wait.

852
01:00:06,540 --> 01:00:07,540
 So what are we talking about doing the analysis?

853
01:00:07,540 --> 01:00:08,540
 Yeah.

854
01:00:08,540 --> 01:00:10,120
 Do the analysis this afternoon, right?

855
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,120
 You know.

856
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,120
 Yeah.

857
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,340
 So do the analysis so that after we've made, you've made determinations on the optimal

858
01:00:16,340 --> 01:00:23,940
 service mix, the next thing to potentially introduce would be a trial of eliminating

859
01:00:23,940 --> 01:00:24,940
 fares.

860
01:00:24,940 --> 01:00:25,940
 Okay.

861
01:00:25,940 --> 01:00:28,660
 So, and I apologize if I'm getting myself confused.

862
01:00:28,660 --> 01:00:32,820
 So do we want to add to the section that we have in green that it will include a fair

863
01:00:32,820 --> 01:00:37,820
 analysis during the six-month trial period or I heard you say we want to conduct the

864
01:00:37,820 --> 01:00:40,380
 fair analysis potentially today, right?

865
01:00:40,380 --> 01:00:42,700
 Conduct a fair analysis and then do a trial of?

866
01:00:42,700 --> 01:00:47,180
 Yeah, I mean, I think it kind of becomes complicated when you try to link them.

867
01:00:47,180 --> 01:00:48,180
 Let's.

868
01:00:48,180 --> 01:00:51,180
 I don't know if we need to be this prescriptive.

869
01:00:51,180 --> 01:00:52,180
 No.

870
01:00:52,180 --> 01:00:53,180
 Yeah, right.

871
01:00:53,180 --> 01:01:00,820
 I should add, if it's appropriate, if I could just add, Title VI requires us to conduct

872
01:01:00,820 --> 01:01:08,060
 a Title VI analysis, which includes a fair equity analysis, and that has been conducted

873
01:01:08,060 --> 01:01:12,040
 as part of this preliminary proposed plan.

874
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:17,700
 Before we would adopt like during that six-month period where the fares would be promotional,

875
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:22,620
 we are also required then to conduct an additional fair analysis.

876
01:01:22,620 --> 01:01:29,020
 So there's actually two fair analysis that DCTA or a contractor will conduct.

877
01:01:29,020 --> 01:01:35,460
 One that we've just completed that talks about disparate and disproportionate impacts and

878
01:01:35,460 --> 01:01:41,180
 then a specific equity fair analysis that will be conducted during the six months based

879
01:01:41,180 --> 01:01:45,520
 on actual passenger behaviors and what type of fares they're purchasing.

880
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,460
 Yeah, it's a little different than what we're talking about though, because at least, you

881
01:01:49,460 --> 01:01:55,420
 know, my stance is this isn't about equity or any of that.

882
01:01:55,420 --> 01:02:06,540
 It's about an alternative concept of how public transportation is offered in Denton that doesn't

883
01:02:06,540 --> 01:02:18,540
 have to do with disparate abilities to pay, it has to do with whether it's a free good.

884
01:02:18,540 --> 01:02:20,220
 We are being overly prescriptive.

885
01:02:20,220 --> 01:02:28,580
 The general idea is we're interested in evaluating the possibility of eliminating fares and not

886
01:02:28,580 --> 01:02:36,820
 necessarily and, you know, I would make the case that you wouldn't necessarily want to

887
01:02:36,820 --> 01:02:42,740
 test two things at the same time.

888
01:02:42,740 --> 01:02:50,700
 So how about just to keep it broad, evaluate the feasibility of eliminating fares altogether?

889
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:51,700
 What she said.

890
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:52,700
 Okay.

891
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:58,460
 That's, yeah, and then execution will come after that anyway, who knows, maybe it'll

892
01:02:58,460 --> 01:02:59,900
 turn out to be a dog.

893
01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:06,700
 So if I may, Mr. Chair, we do have some language already that essentially says that, is there,

894
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:13,180
 do we want to just keep it as simple as evaluate the elimination of fares or do we want the

895
01:03:13,180 --> 01:03:14,180
 more?

896
01:03:14,180 --> 01:03:20,100
 Yeah, I would just, you know, I think elsewhere you had the language that Councilmember McGuire

897
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:28,060
 sort of tweaked that included the consideration of the operational efficiencies, cost savings,

898
01:03:28,060 --> 01:03:35,100
 maybe, you know, the word ridership should appear in that as well.

899
01:03:35,100 --> 01:03:39,500
 Impact on revenue, you know, operational efficiency and ridership.

900
01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:43,300
 But yeah, the cost savings associated with eliminating fare collection and the impact

901
01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:44,300
 on ridership.

902
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:45,300
 Yeah.

903
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:49,300
 What if you found out that like the net financial impact, let's say it was still, I don't know,

904
01:03:49,300 --> 01:03:56,780
 I'm making this up, you know, $100,000 negative, but 20% increase in ridership, hmm, it might

905
01:03:56,780 --> 01:04:00,380
 be worth it, you know, that's kind of, that's why I think ridership is important to put

906
01:04:00,380 --> 01:04:01,380
 in there.

907
01:04:01,380 --> 01:04:06,900
 That's the goal is to really have it be something that people really make part of their lives

908
01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:10,220
 in Denton.

909
01:04:10,220 --> 01:04:13,140
 Okay.

910
01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:17,980
 So did we want to keep it this long and have it say conduct a fare analysis to include

911
01:04:17,980 --> 01:04:22,900
 an evaluation of the impact of potentially eliminating fares, taking into account the

912
01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:28,140
 cost savings, I'll take off that extra S, cost savings associated with eliminating fare

913
01:04:28,140 --> 01:04:32,060
 collection and I'll add the impact on ridership.

914
01:04:32,060 --> 01:04:36,740
 I would eliminate the whole first line and replace it with evaluate the feasibility of.

915
01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:39,740
 Okay.

916
01:04:39,740 --> 01:04:40,740
 I'm fine with that.

917
01:04:40,740 --> 01:04:42,740
 You're okay with that Council Member Berg?

918
01:04:42,740 --> 01:04:47,060
 You want to see it?

919
01:04:47,060 --> 01:04:49,820
 We don't need the word potentially, let's keep it, keep it snappy.

920
01:04:49,820 --> 01:04:50,820
 Yeah, yeah.

921
01:04:50,820 --> 01:04:51,820
 Okay.

922
01:04:51,820 --> 01:04:52,820
 No adverbs.

923
01:04:52,820 --> 01:04:53,820
 Yeah.

924
01:04:53,820 --> 01:04:54,820
 To lead all the adverbs.

925
01:04:54,820 --> 01:04:55,820
 Put a column.

926
01:04:55,820 --> 01:04:56,820
 Put a column behind there.

927
01:04:56,820 --> 01:04:57,820
 There you go.

928
01:04:57,820 --> 01:04:58,820
 I'm happy.

929
01:04:58,820 --> 01:04:59,820
 Council Member Berg?

930
01:04:59,820 --> 01:05:00,820
 I'm okay.

931
01:05:00,820 --> 01:05:09,460
 I don't know if okay is the same thing as happy.

932
01:05:09,460 --> 01:05:10,460
 I'm happy.

933
01:05:10,460 --> 01:05:11,460
 Okay.

934
01:05:11,460 --> 01:05:12,460
 All right.

935
01:05:12,460 --> 01:05:13,460
 I agree.

936
01:05:13,460 --> 01:05:14,460
 Thank you.

937
01:05:14,460 --> 01:05:15,460
 Great.

938
01:05:15,460 --> 01:05:16,460
 All right.

939
01:05:16,460 --> 01:05:17,460
 Have what?

940
01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:22,060
 Now, now I ended up not following the template even slightly.

941
01:05:22,060 --> 01:05:24,660
 So what have we not touched on?

942
01:05:24,660 --> 01:05:30,180
 So we didn't touch on the scalability of vehicles on the fixed routes, which is something that

943
01:05:30,180 --> 01:05:34,340
 we did here at the June 16th meeting and I think during some phone conversations that

944
01:05:34,340 --> 01:05:35,700
 we had with committee members.

945
01:05:35,700 --> 01:05:36,700
 Okay.

946
01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:40,820
 So am I the only one who thinks that, that like, just like I'm saying, yeah, keep fixed

947
01:05:40,820 --> 01:05:44,820
 routes, but if there's only two people on a route, you don't necessarily have to run

948
01:05:44,820 --> 01:05:46,540
 a bus that seats 60.

949
01:05:46,540 --> 01:05:47,540
 True.

950
01:05:47,540 --> 01:05:49,260
 You know, I'm making those numbers up.

951
01:05:49,260 --> 01:05:55,620
 So maybe we could reword that a little bit, just say, I don't think we need that whole

952
01:05:55,620 --> 01:06:01,180
 first clause, but yeah, consideration of using...

953
01:06:01,180 --> 01:06:12,540
 In order to make, in order to improve efficiency on fixed routes, consider using smaller vehicles.

954
01:06:12,540 --> 01:06:16,220
 Works for me.

955
01:06:16,220 --> 01:06:23,340
 Once you get past an hour, everyone becomes more agreeable.

956
01:06:23,340 --> 01:06:24,340
 Okay.

957
01:06:24,340 --> 01:06:29,700
 So we just want to leave it at, in order to improve efficiency of fixed routes, consider

958
01:06:29,700 --> 01:06:32,380
 use of smaller vehicles.

959
01:06:32,380 --> 01:06:36,300
 Since I mean, since we're already kind of saying like, at least for this initial six

960
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:42,660
 month period, we do not want to see fixed routes cut, so that kind of makes the previous

961
01:06:42,660 --> 01:06:43,660
 wording.

962
01:06:43,660 --> 01:06:47,500
 What else have we missed?

963
01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:54,700
 So I did hear consensus on the language, well, I want to make sure that I heard consensus

964
01:06:54,700 --> 01:07:00,180
 on the language of identify an option to maintain union pay representation and benefits for

965
01:07:00,180 --> 01:07:01,740
 current drivers.

966
01:07:01,740 --> 01:07:07,340
 So if we have that, I assume it's okay for us to remove the language that we did have

967
01:07:07,340 --> 01:07:11,900
 for providing assurance that current union labor will be provided assistance in securing

968
01:07:11,900 --> 01:07:12,900
 new positions.

969
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:13,900
 Let's just strike that.

970
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:14,900
 Yeah.

971
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:15,900
 I think that's right.

972
01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:16,900
 Without objection.

973
01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:17,900
 Okay.

974
01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:24,140
 I'm seeing head nods, heads nod or head nods.

975
01:07:24,140 --> 01:07:26,540
 Yes.

976
01:07:26,540 --> 01:07:28,700
 Okay.

977
01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:35,380
 And then we've talked about hailable, it sounds like we may bring it up at council, but it's...

978
01:07:35,380 --> 01:07:36,380
 We can park it.

979
01:07:36,380 --> 01:07:37,380
 Okay.

980
01:07:37,380 --> 01:07:38,380
 We'll keep it yellow then.

981
01:07:38,380 --> 01:07:44,100
 And were we comfortable with the language that we currently have for the maintain union

982
01:07:44,100 --> 01:07:45,100
 pay?

983
01:07:45,100 --> 01:07:47,740
 That works for me.

984
01:07:47,740 --> 01:07:52,060
 I would say maintain union representation pay and benefits.

985
01:07:52,060 --> 01:07:53,060
 Okay.

986
01:07:53,060 --> 01:07:54,060
 Oh, that's completely different.

987
01:07:54,060 --> 01:07:55,060
 It is though.

988
01:07:55,060 --> 01:08:03,300
 I want to make sure that we're clear that that union representation is one of the benefits

989
01:08:03,300 --> 01:08:04,300
 of the drivers currently have.

990
01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:05,300
 The word was there, but that's fine.

991
01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:06,300
 This is a much better order.

992
01:08:06,300 --> 01:08:07,300
 This is better.

993
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:08,300
 Okay.

994
01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:09,300
 We'll also be missed.

995
01:08:09,300 --> 01:08:14,540
 Just kind of looking through the list, we've already spoken to the six month concurrency.

996
01:08:14,540 --> 01:08:18,900
 So did we want to talk any more about a gradual implementation?

997
01:08:18,900 --> 01:08:22,260
 What happens after the six months or we just want to keep it at the six months?

998
01:08:22,260 --> 01:08:27,420
 See, this is the critical point.

999
01:08:27,420 --> 01:08:31,980
 If I can try to express the consensus, we don't view it as a fait accompli, that there's

1000
01:08:31,980 --> 01:08:33,620
 going to be a transition.

1001
01:08:33,620 --> 01:08:37,700
 Might be, might not be, might be a transition back to all fixed.

1002
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:39,860
 It kind of depends on what people do.

1003
01:08:39,860 --> 01:08:44,500
 It's six months to learn and then optimize the mix.

1004
01:08:44,500 --> 01:08:49,980
 The optimal mix could be 50/50, could be 100/0, could be 0/100.

1005
01:08:49,980 --> 01:08:50,980
 No preconceived notion.

1006
01:08:50,980 --> 01:08:58,100
 At the end of the six month period during which DCTA is gathering data about where most

1007
01:08:58,100 --> 01:09:04,500
 rides are originating and ending, that is when a decision should be made regarding what

1008
01:09:04,500 --> 01:09:06,140
 happens after the six month period.

1009
01:09:06,140 --> 01:09:09,900
 Something else to say.

1010
01:09:09,900 --> 01:09:15,340
 The only reason, well, here's my, let me say what I had in my head at first.

1011
01:09:15,340 --> 01:09:23,380
 As we are gathering information for the six months, are we going to, we're going to have

1012
01:09:23,380 --> 01:09:32,220
 to wing it out a few more months until the decision is made so I can see us coming back

1013
01:09:32,220 --> 01:09:40,860
 after six months and making the determination and it's, we've got to go further than that

1014
01:09:40,860 --> 01:09:45,820
 to absolutely put the resolution there that this is what we're going to do.

1015
01:09:45,820 --> 01:09:46,820
 Yeah, I mean, I'm personally.

1016
01:09:46,820 --> 01:09:47,820
 I agree with you.

1017
01:09:47,820 --> 01:09:52,500
 Is it going to be like another two months until we can get the analysis done, until

1018
01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:57,900
 we can get it implemented or are we going to be in the process of trying to be where

1019
01:09:57,900 --> 01:10:00,540
 we want to be in the six months?

1020
01:10:00,540 --> 01:10:02,940
 Because it's already six months now.

1021
01:10:02,940 --> 01:10:05,300
 Yeah, I'm personally comfortable with the idea.

1022
01:10:05,300 --> 01:10:11,420
 It's like we just keep going on and on and, you know, when does it, when does it?

1023
01:10:11,420 --> 01:10:17,900
 I understand your point and I think, and I'm personally comfortable with the idea that

1024
01:10:17,900 --> 01:10:23,380
 we're saying get six months of data and I'm willing to wait until then to find out how

1025
01:10:23,380 --> 01:10:28,180
 long it'll take staff to analyze it and to gear up for any proposed changes.

1026
01:10:28,180 --> 01:10:33,780
 I mean, like, you know, how much can we, so what are we doing while we're waiting for

1027
01:10:33,780 --> 01:10:34,780
 the analysis?

1028
01:10:34,780 --> 01:10:41,220
 Are we going to continue on with the process until they come back with analysis or is analysis

1029
01:10:41,220 --> 01:10:44,220
 being done up to that six months?

1030
01:10:44,220 --> 01:10:47,940
 I think that's a decision, personally, I think that's a decision to make at that time.

1031
01:10:47,940 --> 01:10:55,780
 You know, let's say six months transpire and nobody has ridden a bus on a fixed route

1032
01:10:55,780 --> 01:10:59,060
 in that entire time making it up.

1033
01:10:59,060 --> 01:11:03,140
 You might not feel you need to wait a long time then to make the decision or conversely

1034
01:11:03,140 --> 01:11:04,620
 feel like this better.

1035
01:11:04,620 --> 01:11:09,580
 Nobody has written, has ordered an on-demand ride in six months.

1036
01:11:09,580 --> 01:11:12,600
 How long are you going to wait to whack that program, you know?

1037
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:17,980
 So I think it depends on how compelling the evidence is and how complicated it is to analyze

1038
01:11:17,980 --> 01:11:18,980
 it.

1039
01:11:18,980 --> 01:11:24,180
 I'm willing to punt on making that decision today, I don't think we know enough.

1040
01:11:24,180 --> 01:11:31,340
 I mean, you know, I just put it out there because, you know, that route that has five

1041
01:11:31,340 --> 01:11:37,500
 people at 9 o'clock, six people at 10 o'clock, one person at 3 o'clock, I mean, all of that

1042
01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:43,980
 is going to be ticking, ticking, ticking up to the six months and then the DCTA comes

1043
01:11:43,980 --> 01:11:49,860
 back and says that we, now we're going to start doing the analysis or are they already

1044
01:11:49,860 --> 01:11:54,700
 working it up and they can give us that cut off and say, okay, in two weeks because of

1045
01:11:54,700 --> 01:11:58,500
 this, this, this, we're going to start this process.

1046
01:11:58,500 --> 01:12:02,920
 Are we going to come back and are we going to be agreeing with that or are we going to

1047
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:08,520
 come back and have to sit out and regurgitate it all again and bring it all back to come

1048
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,420
 up with another resolution?

1049
01:12:11,420 --> 01:12:12,420
 That's where I am with that.

1050
01:12:12,420 --> 01:12:13,420
 All right.

1051
01:12:13,420 --> 01:12:14,420
 I'm willing to live in that doubt.

1052
01:12:14,420 --> 01:12:16,540
 Councilmember Guerra, what are your thoughts on this?

1053
01:12:16,540 --> 01:12:17,540
 I am as well.

1054
01:12:17,540 --> 01:12:22,300
 You know, I, I hear your concern that, you know, that we're kicking the can down the

1055
01:12:22,300 --> 01:12:26,500
 road and that, that, you know, we're, we're just going to have to make more decisions

1056
01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:27,500
 again in the future.

1057
01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:32,380
 And I guess maybe I shouldn't say we, the DCTA board is the primary body that's going

1058
01:12:32,380 --> 01:12:35,500
 to be making these decisions.

1059
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:43,460
 I just, I, I feel that there should always be decisions being made.

1060
01:12:43,460 --> 01:12:49,500
 There should always be tweaks being made to, to delivery of service and, and that should

1061
01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:53,060
 be based on, you know, data.

1062
01:12:53,060 --> 01:13:02,260
 So you know, I, I, I'm, I'm okay with the idea of DCTA gathering data, bringing it back

1063
01:13:02,260 --> 01:13:10,060
 to us in six months, bringing it back to the DCTA board in six months and you know, us,

1064
01:13:10,060 --> 01:13:16,260
 you know, yeah, passing another resolution, providing additional guidance to DCTA or to

1065
01:13:16,260 --> 01:13:22,220
 our representatives on DCTA that would, you know, help us decide what, where we're going

1066
01:13:22,220 --> 01:13:24,460
 to go from there and what we're going to do with that data.

1067
01:13:24,460 --> 01:13:30,780
 I'm going to, I'm going to make a prediction that the answer will be complex, that the

1068
01:13:30,780 --> 01:13:37,780
 answer will be, or let, let me put it a different way, will vary by route, right?

1069
01:13:37,780 --> 01:13:43,060
 So there'll probably be, there'll probably, probably be some decisions within the decision

1070
01:13:43,060 --> 01:13:49,700
 that will be very clear, some that may not be all that clear even after six months.

1071
01:13:49,700 --> 01:13:54,180
 You know, it's going to, we'll, it's going to have arms and legs and we'll have to look

1072
01:13:54,180 --> 01:13:55,540
 at it at the time.

1073
01:13:55,540 --> 01:13:56,540
 Okay.

1074
01:13:56,540 --> 01:13:57,540
 I don't know.

1075
01:13:57,540 --> 01:13:58,540
 That's.

1076
01:13:58,540 --> 01:13:59,540
 Chair.

1077
01:13:59,540 --> 01:14:00,540
 Okay.

1078
01:14:00,540 --> 01:14:01,540
 Are you okay with that?

1079
01:14:01,540 --> 01:14:07,380
 Sounds like, I'm, I'm particularly am not okay with that, but it's just my thoughts.

1080
01:14:07,380 --> 01:14:08,380
 Yeah.

1081
01:14:08,380 --> 01:14:11,100
 And I understand where both of you all are coming from.

1082
01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:16,940
 I just don't have the, and I don't think that the community, a lot of the community really

1083
01:14:16,940 --> 01:14:26,300
 has the patience, I mean, some of the community that have the patience to keep waiting and

1084
01:14:26,300 --> 01:14:27,300
 waiting and waiting.

1085
01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:30,500
 A lot of people like to know what are we going to do?

1086
01:14:30,500 --> 01:14:32,180
 What's the plan?

1087
01:14:32,180 --> 01:14:33,780
 And then let's get in there.

1088
01:14:33,780 --> 01:14:35,420
 Let's work it up.

1089
01:14:35,420 --> 01:14:42,020
 Six months later, we're still got to come back and still talking about it.

1090
01:14:42,020 --> 01:14:45,500
 Well, but then, then you're talking about it after having six months of real data.

1091
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:46,500
 Right.

1092
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:50,900
 In the end, there's a time frame in there and some things may just completely, you know,

1093
01:14:50,900 --> 01:14:51,900
 can change.

1094
01:14:51,900 --> 01:14:56,980
 I'm just not against all of that, but I think that, you know, like she used the term kicking

1095
01:14:56,980 --> 01:14:58,140
 a can down the road.

1096
01:14:58,140 --> 01:15:02,980
 Thank you very much for being very basic on that because that's the word I, the terminology

1097
01:15:02,980 --> 01:15:05,260
 that I had in my head.

1098
01:15:05,260 --> 01:15:09,540
 But I'm in agreement with, you know, you guys have the majority voice.

1099
01:15:09,540 --> 01:15:11,220
 I'm just saying that I don't agree with it.

1100
01:15:11,220 --> 01:15:12,220
 And that's the reason why.

1101
01:15:12,220 --> 01:15:17,780
 But let's, you know, rather see if we can, you know, find a little happier spot.

1102
01:15:17,780 --> 01:15:22,380
 I have no objection to saying something like, you know, six month test, blah, blah, blah,

1103
01:15:22,380 --> 01:15:25,260
 whatever you've already said.

1104
01:15:25,260 --> 01:15:40,820
 You know, and then for prompt, for careful and prompt decision making after that.

1105
01:15:40,820 --> 01:15:41,820
 Thank you.

1106
01:15:41,820 --> 01:15:48,580
 Chair, that's what I wanted to bring up is, I'm not sure if you want to put, I understand

1107
01:15:48,580 --> 01:15:49,580
 the six month time frame.

1108
01:15:49,580 --> 01:15:54,020
 I guess one of the things that I wanted to make sure is, is there a specific six month

1109
01:15:54,020 --> 01:15:58,300
 time frame that you're looking for or is it just in the next six months after the July

1110
01:15:58,300 --> 01:15:59,300
 22nd board meeting?

1111
01:15:59,300 --> 01:16:03,300
 I don't know if you need to put any parameters around that.

1112
01:16:03,300 --> 01:16:05,860
 I don't personally feel compelled to be that prescriptive.

1113
01:16:05,860 --> 01:16:11,180
 To me, the clock starts when the starter pistol goes off and goes on as introduced.

1114
01:16:11,180 --> 01:16:16,820
 So in other words, that you have six months lived experience of both services being available.

1115
01:16:16,820 --> 01:16:20,020
 So six months from September 7th?

1116
01:16:20,020 --> 01:16:22,820
 If that's when they start, then that's what that would be.

1117
01:16:22,820 --> 01:16:23,820
 That's the plan.

1118
01:16:23,820 --> 01:16:24,820
 Oh, is that correct?

1119
01:16:24,820 --> 01:16:30,860
 But I'd rather not hitch it to a calendar date if the starter pistol date moves.

1120
01:16:30,860 --> 01:16:32,180
 It's six months of lived experience.

1121
01:16:32,180 --> 01:16:33,180
 Okay, yeah.

1122
01:16:33,180 --> 01:16:34,180
 Six months from the implementation.

1123
01:16:34,180 --> 01:16:38,060
 Right, so that was what I was pointing out is maybe it's six months from the implementation

1124
01:16:38,060 --> 01:16:40,060
 of the GoZone program.

1125
01:16:40,060 --> 01:16:43,620
 You know, if you want to put some kind of parameters on it.

1126
01:16:43,620 --> 01:16:48,180
 And then the other thing I wanted to mention also is to make sure that we're being very

1127
01:16:48,180 --> 01:16:50,980
 clear that this is not just for route three and seven.

1128
01:16:50,980 --> 01:16:53,420
 This is for the entire, all of the routes, correct?

1129
01:16:53,420 --> 01:16:54,420
 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1130
01:16:54,420 --> 01:16:55,420
 Absolutely.

1131
01:16:55,420 --> 01:16:56,420
 All of the currently running fixed routes.

1132
01:16:56,420 --> 01:16:57,420
 Yeah.

1133
01:16:57,420 --> 01:17:05,260
 Not turning anything off until we have six months of lived data of both services being

1134
01:17:05,260 --> 01:17:06,260
 available.

1135
01:17:06,260 --> 01:17:07,260
 Sure.

1136
01:17:07,260 --> 01:17:10,380
 I understand that's being a little more prescriptive, but just wanted to see if there was a way that

1137
01:17:10,380 --> 01:17:14,540
 we could put some parameters around that.

1138
01:17:14,540 --> 01:17:18,500
 And to be perfectly honest, six months is something that is sort of a feels good, that

1139
01:17:18,500 --> 01:17:20,340
 we were all like, yeah, that feels about right.

1140
01:17:20,340 --> 01:17:27,060
 Yeah, but I mean, for me, the principle really is just a kind of projectable period of time.

1141
01:17:27,060 --> 01:17:31,380
 You know, which I don't know if six months is it, I know two weeks isn't it.

1142
01:17:31,380 --> 01:17:32,380
 Right.

1143
01:17:32,380 --> 01:17:33,380
 Absolutely, yeah.

1144
01:17:33,380 --> 01:17:36,380
 What else have we missed?

1145
01:17:36,380 --> 01:17:40,420
 Okay, well, do we want to make sure we're in agreement, because we added a bunch of

1146
01:17:40,420 --> 01:17:41,420
 language there.

1147
01:17:41,420 --> 01:17:45,020
 So do we want to make sure we're in agreement with some of the revisions that we've made

1148
01:17:45,020 --> 01:17:47,380
 to this kind of first statement?

1149
01:17:47,380 --> 01:17:51,900
 So right now I've got provide concurrent fixed route service for all existing routes.

1150
01:17:51,900 --> 01:17:56,680
 Thank you for that suggestion, Becky, along with on-demand service model for six months

1151
01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:03,020
 from implementation of Go Zones to allow DCTA time to gather data and optimize the delivery

1152
01:18:03,020 --> 01:18:05,060
 model based on ridership patterns.

1153
01:18:05,060 --> 01:18:06,740
 I like it.

1154
01:18:06,740 --> 01:18:10,020
 Eliminate fixed route in the first line there.

1155
01:18:10,020 --> 01:18:11,020
 Okay.

1156
01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:20,860
 Provide current service or provide on-demand service and exist, well, provide on-demand

1157
01:18:20,860 --> 01:18:35,420
 service and service for all existing routes concurrently.

1158
01:18:35,420 --> 01:18:36,420
 Fixed routes, yeah.

1159
01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:44,140
 I apologize, I just...I've never seen any kind of council meeting like this one before,

1160
01:18:44,140 --> 01:18:46,140
 have you?

1161
01:18:46,140 --> 01:18:48,380
 What with me being so picky about the syntax?

1162
01:18:48,380 --> 01:18:53,180
 No, even just the degree of collaborative decision-making, which I like.

1163
01:18:53,180 --> 01:18:54,980
 So now we read...

1164
01:18:54,980 --> 01:18:58,060
 All existing fixed routes.

1165
01:18:58,060 --> 01:19:03,060
 No problem.

1166
01:19:03,060 --> 01:19:19,540
 The implementation of, let's say, on-demand service.

1167
01:19:19,540 --> 01:19:21,740
 No hyphen between six and months.

1168
01:19:21,740 --> 01:19:24,900
 No hyphen between six and months, okay.

1169
01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:29,140
 Do you have any openings in legal, unfilled positions?

1170
01:19:29,140 --> 01:19:40,500
 So what happens when you, yeah, elect teachers to city council?

1171
01:19:40,500 --> 01:19:49,460
 Are we good with the remainder of that statement?

1172
01:19:49,460 --> 01:19:51,420
 I'm good with it.

1173
01:19:51,420 --> 01:19:52,420
 Okay.

1174
01:19:52,420 --> 01:19:57,620
 So looking through my notes, the only other item is just, you know, we have mentioned

1175
01:19:57,620 --> 01:20:03,820
 the elimination of...potential elimination of fares following the fee study, but we haven't

1176
01:20:03,820 --> 01:20:08,020
 spoken specifically...obviously there could be the elimination of fares.

1177
01:20:08,020 --> 01:20:11,940
 If there's not though, do we want to include anything based on the feedback we've received

1178
01:20:11,940 --> 01:20:18,180
 from you regarding what to do for low-income or other communities who may have issues or

1179
01:20:18,180 --> 01:20:23,320
 do we just address that after the fare study?

1180
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:31,060
 I'm thinking that now that I've heard that there are provisions for low-income riders

1181
01:20:31,060 --> 01:20:37,920
 with our non-profits, do we even have to address it at all?

1182
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:45,340
 I think that is done presently, you know, and I think Nicole indicated that, but I'm

1183
01:20:45,340 --> 01:20:47,580
 open to hearing other thoughts.

1184
01:20:47,580 --> 01:20:58,860
 Yeah, I mean, I think that having a varied fee structure is sort of a different thing

1185
01:20:58,860 --> 01:21:00,820
 than just eliminating fares.

1186
01:21:00,820 --> 01:21:06,180
 It is, and these essentially...well, okay, go ahead.

1187
01:21:06,180 --> 01:21:07,180
 Sorry.

1188
01:21:07,180 --> 01:21:11,820
 Oh, so I mean, so the status quo is that there sort of is a varied fee structure for folks

1189
01:21:11,820 --> 01:21:14,860
 who are going through non-profits.

1190
01:21:14,860 --> 01:21:21,140
 I really...I am interested in DCTA evaluating the feasibility of eliminating fares altogether

1191
01:21:21,140 --> 01:21:28,260
 for everyone so that anybody in the city can just hop on a bus with no...frictionless.

1192
01:21:28,260 --> 01:21:34,980
 Yeah, I mean, I'm more about it as kind of a product concept, and if you will, that as

1193
01:21:34,980 --> 01:21:35,980
 an equity thing.

1194
01:21:35,980 --> 01:21:36,980
 Yeah, it's about increasing ridership.

1195
01:21:36,980 --> 01:21:41,940
 It's just like the definition of Denton changes, you know, Denton is a place then where public

1196
01:21:41,940 --> 01:21:48,380
 transit's so easy because, you know, you don't have to figure anything out, you just get

1197
01:21:48,380 --> 01:21:49,380
 on.

1198
01:21:49,380 --> 01:21:53,380
 So that leaves us with the parking lot item.

1199
01:21:53,380 --> 01:21:57,700
 That's our bird, you gave me a look like, I'm not sure I agree with you, I think you

1200
01:21:57,700 --> 01:22:00,900
 might be insane, I don't know what that look was.

1201
01:22:00,900 --> 01:22:07,460
 You know, I like...again, here we're back around to the same topic, I like free.

1202
01:22:07,460 --> 01:22:11,060
 I'm good with free.

1203
01:22:11,060 --> 01:22:18,740
 And you know, if it's just a sliver of whatever intake that they're getting, which...I'm okay,

1204
01:22:18,740 --> 01:22:19,740
 I'm good.

1205
01:22:19,740 --> 01:22:20,740
 I agree.

1206
01:22:20,740 --> 01:22:21,740
 Okay, okay.

1207
01:22:21,740 --> 01:22:22,740
 We're still good.

1208
01:22:22,740 --> 01:22:23,740
 We're still good.

1209
01:22:23,740 --> 01:22:24,740
 Stop pulling the Band-Aid off.

1210
01:22:24,740 --> 01:22:25,740
 Oh, sorry.

1211
01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:26,740
 Sorry.

1212
01:22:26,740 --> 01:22:27,740
 We tacked that one down.

1213
01:22:27,740 --> 01:22:28,740
 Okay, we're done.

1214
01:22:28,740 --> 01:22:29,740
 We're done.

1215
01:22:29,740 --> 01:22:33,180
 You asked me what I had in my notes, so I want to do it thorough.

1216
01:22:33,180 --> 01:22:37,380
 So do we want to return to the parking lot, or do we want to go through some of the...

1217
01:22:37,380 --> 01:22:42,020
 Like, it's not in...it's in my mental parking lot, it's not in the resolution, we don't

1218
01:22:42,020 --> 01:22:43,020
 have support for that.

1219
01:22:43,020 --> 01:22:44,020
 Yeah, I'm fine with eliminating that from the resolution.

1220
01:22:44,020 --> 01:22:45,020
 Okay.

1221
01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:48,580
 I could come back at some future conversation, because it would still be in my head.

1222
01:22:48,580 --> 01:22:52,060
 It's a cool idea, but it's not the point of what we're talking about right now.

1223
01:22:52,060 --> 01:22:53,060
 Yeah, it's not on point.

1224
01:22:53,060 --> 01:22:54,060
 Okay.

1225
01:22:54,060 --> 01:22:55,060
 It's not on point.

1226
01:22:55,060 --> 01:22:56,060
 No problem.

1227
01:22:56,060 --> 01:22:57,060
 So then...

1228
01:22:57,060 --> 01:22:58,060
 Excuse me.

1229
01:22:58,060 --> 01:22:59,060
 Yes, ma'am.

1230
01:22:59,060 --> 01:23:00,060
 Just scroll back up.

1231
01:23:00,060 --> 01:23:01,060
 That last one, in order to improve efficiency of fixed routes, consider the use of smaller

1232
01:23:01,060 --> 01:23:02,060
 vehicles.

1233
01:23:02,060 --> 01:23:03,060
 I see you have a semicolon there.

1234
01:23:03,060 --> 01:23:10,440
 Does that just need to be a period, or is that just a statement hashed?

1235
01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:11,440
 It's been changed.

1236
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:14,440
 Oh, we got two like this now.

1237
01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:18,860
 We will make sure we do a good grammatical check of this, so I appreciate your patience

1238
01:23:18,860 --> 01:23:19,860
 with me.

1239
01:23:19,860 --> 01:23:24,440
 There will be semicolons, just so you know, it'll be semicolon, and semicolon, and once

1240
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:27,820
 we get this reformatted with our city attorney's office.

1241
01:23:27,820 --> 01:23:34,920
 Rachel, I so appreciate the way you're providing this service to us here, you know, scribing

1242
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:35,920
 in.

1243
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:36,920
 You're so very welcome.

1244
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:42,300
 This is an interesting mobility committee meeting, for sure, but we are making progress,

1245
01:23:42,300 --> 01:23:43,300
 and I'm excited about that.

1246
01:23:43,300 --> 01:23:44,300
 Burn the videotape, but yeah.

1247
01:23:44,300 --> 01:23:45,300
 Okay.

1248
01:23:45,300 --> 01:23:46,300
 All right.

1249
01:23:46,300 --> 01:23:49,660
 So do we want to go through the whereases, which again is kind of...

1250
01:23:49,660 --> 01:23:54,780
 It's kind of fluff, but let's make sure there's nothing that's going to set off alarms.

1251
01:23:54,780 --> 01:24:03,780
 I would say whereas is number four and five need maybe a little tweak.

1252
01:24:03,780 --> 01:24:06,060
 Okay.

1253
01:24:06,060 --> 01:24:11,740
 Can we just eliminate the last like clause to ensure a smooth transition and mitigate

1254
01:24:11,740 --> 01:24:12,740
 community impacts?

1255
01:24:12,740 --> 01:24:13,740
 Sure.

1256
01:24:13,740 --> 01:24:15,500
 Just eliminate that, because again, that's sort of...

1257
01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:17,700
 Yeah, we don't know if there's a transition.

1258
01:24:17,700 --> 01:24:19,780
 We're agnostic about that.

1259
01:24:19,780 --> 01:24:24,700
 And I did put a note, so I didn't forget that we don't put anything in here about the

1260
01:24:24,700 --> 01:24:28,900
 importance to the Denton City Council of having a robust transit service, so if we want to

1261
01:24:28,900 --> 01:24:31,020
 have that clause, we can absolutely add it.

1262
01:24:31,020 --> 01:24:32,020
 That's...

1263
01:24:32,020 --> 01:24:33,100
 I'm in favor of that.

1264
01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:38,940
 I think that's really the essence of where I perceive this council to be coming from,

1265
01:24:38,940 --> 01:24:46,540
 that we're less interested in minimizing that cost footprint of the service and more interested

1266
01:24:46,540 --> 01:24:48,740
 in maximizing the service delivery.

1267
01:24:48,740 --> 01:24:59,860
 Nobody wants to waste money, but the primary objective is to meet the public transit potential.

1268
01:24:59,860 --> 01:25:18,180
 The Denton City Council, or whereas a robust public transit service is important to...

1269
01:25:18,180 --> 01:25:29,060
 Integral to a successful city is...

1270
01:25:29,060 --> 01:25:30,060
 Whereas a public...

1271
01:25:30,060 --> 01:25:45,100
 A robust public transit service is necessary to the development of a sustainable...

1272
01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:49,260
 To meeting our sustainability, accessibility, and mobility goals.

1273
01:25:49,260 --> 01:26:00,340
 I check in economic development, because I think it's true.

1274
01:26:00,340 --> 01:26:03,100
 Economic development, mobility, and sustainability.

1275
01:26:03,100 --> 01:26:05,140
 And accessibility.

1276
01:26:05,140 --> 01:26:11,260
 Mobility, sustainability, and accessibility.

1277
01:26:11,260 --> 01:26:15,940
 Goals.

1278
01:26:15,940 --> 01:26:18,820
 Councillor Baird, you happy so far?

1279
01:26:18,820 --> 01:26:22,540
 Addition, subtractions, changes?

1280
01:26:22,540 --> 01:26:30,700
 Is essential to meeting.

1281
01:26:30,700 --> 01:26:34,740
 Meeting Dentons.

1282
01:26:34,740 --> 01:26:46,300
 And it will be a semi-calling.

1283
01:26:46,300 --> 01:26:56,340
 Fair warning, there will be semi-colons.

1284
01:26:56,340 --> 01:27:00,140
 I think the whereas that's after that, whereas the Denton City Council requests consideration

1285
01:27:00,140 --> 01:27:04,460
 of revisions to DCTA's service delivery model, I think we can just eliminate that altogether,

1286
01:27:04,460 --> 01:27:12,020
 because we said that in the previous one.

1287
01:27:12,020 --> 01:27:17,500
 I am looking at the words modified and revised.

1288
01:27:17,500 --> 01:27:20,300
 Where are you at?

1289
01:27:20,300 --> 01:27:27,460
 At the top, at the very top here, where it says modified service delivery model.

1290
01:27:27,460 --> 01:27:31,380
 And then down here on the one, two, three, did we hit three?

1291
01:27:31,380 --> 01:27:32,980
 One, two, three?

1292
01:27:32,980 --> 01:27:38,740
 It says something about us currently, whereas DCTA is currently considering a revised service

1293
01:27:38,740 --> 01:27:42,860
 delivery model.

1294
01:27:42,860 --> 01:27:50,980
 I just think that it's important that we use the same words, like modified.

1295
01:27:50,980 --> 01:27:51,980
 Is it modified?

1296
01:27:51,980 --> 01:27:52,980
 Is it revised?

1297
01:27:52,980 --> 01:27:53,980
 Is it service?

1298
01:27:53,980 --> 01:27:58,060
 Maybe we should replace the word modified with proposed, because they haven't modified

1299
01:27:58,060 --> 01:28:00,060
 anything yet.

1300
01:28:00,060 --> 01:28:02,580
 Okay.

1301
01:28:02,580 --> 01:28:06,100
 I'm okay with that.

1302
01:28:06,100 --> 01:28:20,540
 And if we use a word revised, if they're proposed, so this is a proposal.

1303
01:28:20,540 --> 01:28:23,020
 To a similar end.

1304
01:28:23,020 --> 01:28:31,020
 Anything that you have there, service, one, two, three, four, five, six, a six one down.

1305
01:28:31,020 --> 01:28:36,380
 I do want to note, if we change it to revised to proposed here, we're going to say DCTA

1306
01:28:36,380 --> 01:28:40,460
 is currently considering a proposed service delivery model.

1307
01:28:40,460 --> 01:28:41,460
 That makes sense.

1308
01:28:41,460 --> 01:28:45,520
 It just breeds a little bit differently, but if we're good with that, we can keep it as

1309
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:46,520
 is.

1310
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:47,520
 Okay.

1311
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:52,220
 Are you all okay with that proposal?

1312
01:28:52,220 --> 01:28:54,820
 Can we change the word adopt?

1313
01:28:54,820 --> 01:28:55,820
 Oh, sorry.

1314
01:28:55,820 --> 01:29:03,060
 Yeah, if I can go back to that one, yeah, where you are, I think to potentially replace

1315
01:29:03,060 --> 01:29:10,060
 existing fixed route services, right, you're not replacing on-demand.

1316
01:29:10,060 --> 01:29:18,300
 So whereas DCTA is currently considering a proposed service delivery model to include

1317
01:29:18,300 --> 01:29:26,620
 on-demand route service that would potentially replace existing fixed route service, right?

1318
01:29:26,620 --> 01:29:30,620
 I'll need to lean on Nicole, but I do believe there are some on-demand services that are

1319
01:29:30,620 --> 01:29:31,900
 currently provided.

1320
01:29:31,900 --> 01:29:37,260
 Yes, but my understanding was that eliminating those was not part of the proposal.

1321
01:29:37,260 --> 01:29:41,740
 Yeah, we, I'm sorry, I mean, there's some, go ahead.

1322
01:29:41,740 --> 01:29:47,020
 DCTA, yeah, DCTA currently provides two on-demand services, so the first is the Louisville Lakeway

1323
01:29:47,020 --> 01:29:52,460
 Zone, and it operates six days a week, and then the second is the DDTC evening on-demand

1324
01:29:52,460 --> 01:29:56,780
 zone that operates just in like four evening hours, Monday through Friday.

1325
01:29:56,780 --> 01:30:00,780
 Both of those services would be eliminated and replaced with the GoZone service.

1326
01:30:00,780 --> 01:30:01,780
 Oh, okay.

1327
01:30:01,780 --> 01:30:04,740
 So that's technically true, I wasn't aware of that.

1328
01:30:04,740 --> 01:30:10,860
 I think it's frankly confusing to even, you know, get into it, but whatever.

1329
01:30:10,860 --> 01:30:18,220
 Is it down there where it says, where is the D at the very bottom right there, service delivery

1330
01:30:18,220 --> 01:30:20,220
 for the July the 22nd meeting?

1331
01:30:20,220 --> 01:30:27,420
 Are we going to keep service there or are we going to change that to proposed?

1332
01:30:27,420 --> 01:30:29,460
 To the proposed delivery model?

1333
01:30:29,460 --> 01:30:30,460
 Yes.

1334
01:30:30,460 --> 01:30:31,460
 Great.

1335
01:30:31,460 --> 01:30:34,100
 They're not adopting revisions to the proposal.

1336
01:30:34,100 --> 01:30:35,100
 Yeah.

1337
01:30:35,100 --> 01:30:36,740
 Oh, okay.

1338
01:30:36,740 --> 01:30:43,500
 Well, can we change adopt to vote on?

1339
01:30:43,500 --> 01:30:44,500
 Sure.

1340
01:30:44,500 --> 01:30:47,580
 Because maybe they won't adopt.

1341
01:30:47,580 --> 01:30:48,580
 What about consider?

1342
01:30:48,580 --> 01:30:49,580
 Okay.

1343
01:30:49,580 --> 01:30:50,580
 Yeah, yeah.

1344
01:30:50,580 --> 01:31:02,180
 That's just what I was thinking.

1345
01:31:02,180 --> 01:31:09,140
 You know, this is sort of a phrase as direction to the DCATA board.

1346
01:31:09,140 --> 01:31:17,060
 In my mind, it's direction to our representative on the board, you know, but I don't have a,

1347
01:31:17,060 --> 01:31:22,180
 I'm not stuck on it, but I'd be interested in like, what's the difference and which is

1348
01:31:22,180 --> 01:31:23,180
 right?

1349
01:31:23,180 --> 01:31:30,940
 Well, I mean, you know, I don't hold an at large seat, but Denton residents from other

1350
01:31:30,940 --> 01:31:38,260
 districts will email me and call me with their concerns, right?

1351
01:31:38,260 --> 01:31:41,660
 I mean, that's sort of, in a way, that's what we're doing here, right?

1352
01:31:41,660 --> 01:31:45,820
 I mean, we're asking all the members of the board, even the ones who weren't appointed

1353
01:31:45,820 --> 01:31:49,420
 by Denton City Council to consider the concerns.

1354
01:31:49,420 --> 01:31:50,420
 Yeah.

1355
01:31:50,420 --> 01:31:51,420
 I mean, I don't hate it.

1356
01:31:51,420 --> 01:31:55,860
 It's just, you know, it's not a huge issue to me either way.

1357
01:31:55,860 --> 01:32:07,620
 It's just like the, my objective is to provide instruction to our representative, but it

1358
01:32:07,620 --> 01:32:08,620
 does the same thing.

1359
01:32:08,620 --> 01:32:09,620
 I don't really care.

1360
01:32:09,620 --> 01:32:10,620
 I don't know.

1361
01:32:10,620 --> 01:32:11,620
 Do you have an opinion about it?

1362
01:32:11,620 --> 01:32:12,620
 No, I don't.

1363
01:32:12,620 --> 01:32:13,620
 Thank you.

1364
01:32:13,620 --> 01:32:14,620
 Fine.

1365
01:32:14,620 --> 01:32:15,620
 Leave it.

1366
01:32:15,620 --> 01:32:22,540
 Let's just, well, let's put it, let me just not leave it alone for one second.

1367
01:32:22,540 --> 01:32:40,340
 Let's say November comes around and our representative has faithfully conveyed our guidance, or November

1368
01:32:40,340 --> 01:32:46,140
 comes around and our representative has completely not represented our guidance, right?

1369
01:32:46,140 --> 01:32:48,300
 That would weigh on us.

1370
01:32:48,300 --> 01:32:54,620
 That's why to me it matters, like that it's very clear, you know, to our representative

1371
01:32:54,620 --> 01:32:59,140
 what our will is once council votes on it.

1372
01:32:59,140 --> 01:33:07,420
 But I would just ask staff, if it's expressed as our guidance to the board, or maybe, I

1373
01:33:07,420 --> 01:33:08,420
 don't know.

1374
01:33:08,420 --> 01:33:14,060
 I don't really know who I'm asking, on staff, you know, is that, does that also provide

1375
01:33:14,060 --> 01:33:21,820
 that direction, does that explicitly or implicitly provide direction to our representative, because

1376
01:33:21,820 --> 01:33:23,780
 to me that's important.

1377
01:33:23,780 --> 01:33:28,180
 I mean, it's a five member board, and we've got one representative on there.

1378
01:33:28,180 --> 01:33:33,180
 It will be the full five member board that would be voting on the proposed service delivery

1379
01:33:33,180 --> 01:33:37,540
 model changes, so I think it's up to the council to decide if you're providing direction to

1380
01:33:37,540 --> 01:33:42,500
 one of the five, or if you're providing direction to the full five who will ultimately be making

1381
01:33:42,500 --> 01:33:43,500
 that decision.

1382
01:33:43,500 --> 01:33:44,500
 All right.

1383
01:33:44,500 --> 01:33:45,500
 You know what?

1384
01:33:45,500 --> 01:33:46,500
 I give it up.

1385
01:33:46,500 --> 01:33:47,500
 I think that's fine.

1386
01:33:47,500 --> 01:33:48,500
 I think it's fine as is.

1387
01:33:48,500 --> 01:33:52,200
 If it's, if we're expressing it to the full five, we're obviously also expressing it to

1388
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:53,200
 our representative.

1389
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:54,200
 So, okay.

1390
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:55,200
 I'm fine.

1391
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:56,200
 Uncle?

1392
01:33:56,200 --> 01:34:06,060
 I hate to say it, but I think we've gone through, unless we have any concerns with the findings

1393
01:34:06,060 --> 01:34:10,940
 and recitation contained in the preamble, which is standard legalese that Trey always

1394
01:34:10,940 --> 01:34:14,380
 makes sure we include in all of our resolutions.

1395
01:34:14,380 --> 01:34:19,980
 The only revisions we'd be making is, unfortunately, removing some periods, adding some semi-colons,

1396
01:34:19,980 --> 01:34:24,460
 and then having some room in numerals, but other than that, we will keep the language

1397
01:34:24,460 --> 01:34:29,300
 proposed by this committee, and then we would include it in a Friday report, and then ultimately

1398
01:34:29,300 --> 01:34:31,500
 it would go on the agenda on July 20th.

1399
01:34:31,500 --> 01:34:33,340
 I think we have to strike the word here in.

1400
01:34:33,340 --> 01:34:35,180
 I think it's just offensive.

1401
01:34:35,180 --> 01:34:36,180
 All right.

1402
01:34:36,180 --> 01:34:40,740
 Well, good job, committee members.

1403
01:34:40,740 --> 01:34:46,460
 Because the last whereas, just to repeat, I just, I want to make sure we're not saying

1404
01:34:46,460 --> 01:34:48,140
 unnecessary stuff, I guess.

1405
01:34:48,140 --> 01:34:52,120
 The City Council finds it in the public interest to recommend that the DCTA Board of Directors

1406
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:55,700
 consider certain revisions to their proposed service delivery model to ensure the needs

1407
01:34:55,700 --> 01:34:58,020
 of transit riders in the Denton community are addressed.

1408
01:34:58,020 --> 01:35:01,180
 Do we need to say that in addition to, well, no.

1409
01:35:01,180 --> 01:35:02,180
 Where do you think it's already covered?

1410
01:35:02,180 --> 01:35:03,180
 No, it's typically the transition.

1411
01:35:03,180 --> 01:35:08,780
 We usually have kind of a summary that transitions into what the policy statement is.

1412
01:35:08,780 --> 01:35:10,180
 It's sort of the drum roll.

1413
01:35:10,180 --> 01:35:15,340
 Also, yeah, I mean, kind of the key, the key part of the previous one was that the city

1414
01:35:15,340 --> 01:35:20,260
 provides a dedicated sales tax revenue stream to DCTA, right?

1415
01:35:20,260 --> 01:35:23,340
 I'm okay with that, never mind.

1416
01:35:23,340 --> 01:35:25,420
 All right.

1417
01:35:25,420 --> 01:35:27,780
 Going once.

1418
01:35:27,780 --> 01:35:28,780
 Going twice.

1419
01:35:28,780 --> 01:35:33,500
 Wait, can you scroll down and let me just like kind of skim the rest of it?

1420
01:35:33,500 --> 01:35:37,860
 And I can, if you're okay with me making a little bit smaller, then we can fit all the

1421
01:35:37,860 --> 01:35:42,620
 green on one page.

1422
01:35:42,620 --> 01:35:49,780
 And I did not hear Nicole's head explode, so I don't know if that indicates anything

1423
01:35:49,780 --> 01:35:54,780
 or not.

1424
01:35:54,780 --> 01:36:02,180
 All right.

1425
01:36:02,180 --> 01:36:08,240
 I'm good with that.

1426
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:09,240
 Going once.

1427
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:10,460
 Going twice.

1428
01:36:10,460 --> 01:36:15,780
 We have a proposed resolution, bang of gavel.

1429
01:36:15,780 --> 01:36:22,180
 I'm going to close our meeting while the closing's good at 2.37 p.m.

1430
01:36:22,180 --> 01:36:23,180
 Excellent.

1431
01:36:23,180 --> 01:36:39,620
 We will save-- [end of transcript]