WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.480 Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Denton's Planning and Zoning meeting for 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:09.780 Wednesday, June 9th. 00:00:09.780 --> 00:00:17.300 This is our work session and with a quorum present, I will call us to order at 5.08 p.m. 00:00:17.300 --> 00:00:22.000 Let the record show that Chair Rosell is absent tonight. 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:27.320 Before we get into the agenda, I just wanted to welcome Commissioner Pruitt. 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:28.680 It's his first meeting. 00:00:28.680 --> 00:00:36.360 So welcome to the board and thank you for serving. 00:00:36.360 --> 00:00:42.400 Our first agenda item is citizen comment on consent agenda items. 00:00:42.400 --> 00:00:47.880 We don't have anyone on the phone, however, we have had the following public comment using 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:58.640 our online form for item FP210011A, we have had four comments against this item. 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:09.480 On FP21-010A, we have had one person comment against this item. 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:15.760 That moves us to the next agenda item, which is clarification of items on our agenda. 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:23.400 The first one being minutes, does anyone have anything with the minutes? 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:28.360 Seeing none, I will move us along to consent. 00:01:28.360 --> 00:01:32.080 Any questions on consent? 00:01:32.080 --> 00:01:33.520 Okay. 00:01:33.520 --> 00:01:40.080 Also seeing none, that will move us to items for individual consideration. 00:01:40.080 --> 00:01:58.240 That is PP210009A, Hayley, that is you. 00:01:58.240 --> 00:02:02.460 This is item PP210009. 00:02:02.460 --> 00:02:08.320 This is a preliminary plat for a single lot that is intended for an industrial development. 00:02:08.320 --> 00:02:13.080 As you can see on the screen, it is located on the west side of I-35, north of Berthold 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.000 road. 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:18.400 At this time, staff is changing our recommendation to approval. 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:22.680 Since the agenda was posted, the applicant has addressed all outstanding comments. 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:29.780 Those were primarily related to their associated engineering plans with some driveway dimensions, 00:02:29.780 --> 00:02:32.680 electric easement and things like that, that needed to be updated on the plat. 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:35.800 They have made those changes and staff is now recommending approval of this item. 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:40.240 I'm happy to answer any questions. 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:45.600 And I know that that new plat and whatnot was emailed to everyone as well. 00:02:45.600 --> 00:02:46.600 Yes. 00:02:46.600 --> 00:02:47.600 Okay. 00:02:47.600 --> 00:02:48.600 Anyone? 00:02:48.600 --> 00:02:49.600 Any questions? 00:02:49.600 --> 00:02:50.600 Okay. 00:02:50.600 --> 00:02:51.600 Seeing none. 00:02:51.600 --> 00:02:52.600 Thanks, Hayley. 00:02:52.600 --> 00:02:53.600 Nope. 00:02:53.600 --> 00:02:59.680 You're going again with the next one, PP2114. 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:08.520 All right, this is a final plat for the Eagle Cove edition. 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:12.280 This is a single family subdivision that may look familiar to some of you all as it recently 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:16.000 had an alternative ESA plan approved. 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:20.480 This plat, again, same as the last one, they were able to resolve their outstanding comments. 00:03:20.480 --> 00:03:24.720 In this case, it related to their HOA documents and again, a couple of electric easements 00:03:24.720 --> 00:03:25.840 on the plat. 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:29.920 They resolved those items and so staff is now recommending approval and that revised 00:03:29.920 --> 00:03:33.720 plat was also sent to you all earlier this week. 00:03:33.720 --> 00:03:38.920 I'm happy to answer any questions. 00:03:38.920 --> 00:03:41.680 Anyone have any questions for Hayley on this one? 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:44.680 No, I do not see any Hayley. 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:45.680 Thank you. 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:51.400 And then I know the next one you've updated us on as well and that the applicant's withdrawing. 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:52.400 Correct. 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:56.320 We submitted a request that was forwarded to you all to withdraw that item from consideration 00:03:56.320 --> 00:03:57.320 tonight. 00:03:57.320 --> 00:04:00.160 They'll be resubmitting that at a later date when they're able to address those comments. 00:04:00.160 --> 00:04:04.600 Okay, so Mac, I guess my question for you, how do we handle that as far as tonight's 00:04:04.600 --> 00:04:08.220 agenda goes? 00:04:08.220 --> 00:04:09.760 You can just basically skip it. 00:04:09.760 --> 00:04:11.360 You don't need to take any action on it. 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:14.440 It'll just, it's removed by action of not taking- 00:04:14.440 --> 00:04:15.440 Of the applicant? 00:04:15.440 --> 00:04:16.440 Yeah. 00:04:16.440 --> 00:04:17.440 Okay. 00:04:17.440 --> 00:04:19.960 So do I mention, I can mention it though that the applicant has withdrawn and then we'll 00:04:19.960 --> 00:04:20.960 just move on. 00:04:20.960 --> 00:04:21.960 Yep. 00:04:21.960 --> 00:04:22.960 Okay. 00:04:22.960 --> 00:04:23.960 Perfect. 00:04:23.960 --> 00:04:24.960 Perfect. 00:04:24.960 --> 00:04:25.960 Okay. 00:04:25.960 --> 00:04:33.520 So that brings us to FP21-0013B, which is Sean. 00:04:33.520 --> 00:04:41.000 Good evening, Chair and members of the commission. 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:52.480 Let me just share my screen here. 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:58.680 All right. 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:06.760 So this is a request for a final plat of a property in the ETJ off Hilltop Road, approximately 00:05:06.760 --> 00:05:08.840 20.7 acres. 00:05:08.840 --> 00:05:20.080 And staff is recommending denial because they have not met, they have not met the standards 00:05:20.080 --> 00:05:21.080 as laid out in- 00:05:21.080 --> 00:05:22.080 [inaudible] 00:05:22.080 --> 00:05:39.600 So you can live your life, and call- 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:50.080 I'm sorry, is there a question? 00:05:50.080 --> 00:05:51.080 Hello? 00:05:51.080 --> 00:05:55.920 This is Brad Book with Not Near Property Development, we're on the Hilltop. 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:03.040 We were just asking to have an extension to re-submit for the plat because trying to meet 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:11.560 some of the responses from the engineering, and we were waiting on a survey and the surveyor 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:19.680 couldn't get it done because of the weather, held them up a couple weeks. 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:20.680 Now we have it. 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:27.720 We just got it today, in fact, to complete. 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:33.440 This plat has already received an extension and therefore there's not an opportunity for 00:06:33.440 --> 00:06:37.760 an additional extension at this time. 00:06:37.760 --> 00:06:43.960 Yes, sir, you have not been recognized to speak at the meeting at this moment. 00:06:43.960 --> 00:06:51.740 If you could please get with staff on your comments, they can further direct you. 00:06:51.740 --> 00:07:00.200 How do I get it with staff on this call? 00:07:00.200 --> 00:07:03.960 Well, it would not be on this call, we are on a public meeting, so if you could please 00:07:03.960 --> 00:07:10.000 mute yourself. 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:15.320 Thank you, Sean, go ahead. 00:07:15.320 --> 00:07:21.240 That is actually the conclusion of my comments on this plat, but I will stand for any questions 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:22.960 you may have. 00:07:22.960 --> 00:07:26.640 Just to clarify, they've already had an extension on this. 00:07:26.640 --> 00:07:27.960 They cannot have another one. 00:07:27.960 --> 00:07:31.760 They can address the comments and re-submit and then it will come before us again. 00:07:31.760 --> 00:07:33.660 Yes, ma'am. 00:07:33.660 --> 00:07:36.440 Does anyone have any questions? 00:07:36.440 --> 00:07:43.420 Okay, Sean, if you could reach out to that caller and just go ahead and address concerns 00:07:43.420 --> 00:07:45.160 and then let him know. 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:49.760 He may not understand exactly what next steps are, I'm not sure. 00:07:49.760 --> 00:07:50.760 We'll certainly do that. 00:07:50.760 --> 00:07:51.760 All right. 00:07:51.760 --> 00:07:52.760 Thank you. 00:07:52.760 --> 00:07:59.960 Actually, you have the next one, Sean, coming up, PP21-0007B. 00:07:59.960 --> 00:08:03.080 Yes, ma'am. 00:08:03.080 --> 00:08:10.680 This is a proposed preliminary plat of the Vintage Village Edition and staff is now recommending 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:17.480 approval as they have addressed the outstanding comments we had and that plat was shared with 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:19.480 you prior to the meeting. 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:22.800 So if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them. 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:27.600 Yeah, and I think everybody that literally just came to us right before the meeting started, 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:35.060 so I don't know if you've seen it in your email, but it is there. 00:08:35.060 --> 00:08:37.120 Does anyone have any questions? 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:38.540 Okay. 00:08:38.540 --> 00:08:39.680 I don't see any, Sean. 00:08:39.680 --> 00:08:42.680 Thank you. 00:08:42.680 --> 00:08:49.680 Okay, who's got our next one? 00:08:49.680 --> 00:08:58.840 Mark Laird has the next one, which is PP21-0008A. 00:08:58.840 --> 00:08:59.840 Good evening. 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:00.840 My name is Mark Laird. 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:03.320 I'm the planner with the Development and Service Department. 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:08.280 For your reference or review this evening, I have for you the preliminary plat of SP 00:09:08.280 --> 00:09:11.280 Ditten 1 Edition Phase 2. 00:09:11.280 --> 00:09:18.640 This property is slated for warehouse distribution center use and staff recommends this property 00:09:18.640 --> 00:09:26.040 plat for approval and I stand for any questions. 00:09:26.040 --> 00:09:30.160 And Mark, I think this was another one that was updated post-agenda posting, right? 00:09:30.160 --> 00:09:31.800 That we got emailed to us. 00:09:31.800 --> 00:09:32.800 Yes. 00:09:32.800 --> 00:09:35.720 Yes, you are correct. 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:40.520 Does anyone have any questions for Mark? 00:09:40.520 --> 00:09:49.320 I do not see any, but stand by because you're on deck for the next one, PP21-0010. 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:53.360 Yes, you're correct. 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:57.400 This is the preliminary plat for Windsor Oak Phase 2 Edition. 00:09:57.400 --> 00:10:03.040 This is a residential development that's being proposed off Ferris, Silverdome and Cooper 00:10:03.040 --> 00:10:06.200 Creek Road. 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:11.640 Staff is recommending denying, denial of this development as it does not meet the criteria 00:10:11.640 --> 00:10:23.920 that's in Exhibit 2 of the staff analysis and I stand for any questions. 00:10:23.920 --> 00:10:28.040 And then on this one, the applicant has requested an extension, correct? 00:10:28.040 --> 00:10:30.320 I think that was... 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:34.360 Yes, you're correct. 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:44.760 Does anybody have any questions for Mark on this one? 00:10:44.760 --> 00:10:55.920 Okay, I do not see anything, Mark, thank you. 00:10:55.920 --> 00:11:01.880 That will bring us to our public hearing portion. 00:11:01.880 --> 00:11:07.440 Item A, staff is requesting to be postponed to a date certain of the 23rd. 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:13.560 Mac, are we opening that public hearing or are we just postponing the item? 00:11:13.560 --> 00:11:18.080 Yes, if you could open it and then postpone to open it. 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:21.120 Okay, and that would be the same for the next, correct? 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:22.120 Correct. 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:31.360 Okay, yeah, so public hearing A and B both are being postponed to June 23rd. 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:36.040 So that will bring us to PD-20-009B and that is Hayley again. 00:11:36.040 --> 00:11:41.160 Yes, let me get that pulled up. 00:11:41.160 --> 00:11:46.720 All right, good evening. 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:52.920 This is PD-20-0009 for the Parkside addition. 00:11:52.920 --> 00:11:57.320 The request before you this evening is a rezoning from Rural Residential to Plan Development 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:58.320 District. 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.440 The property is outlined in yellow on the map here. 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:07.240 It is just over 62 acres located on the north side of Hickory Creek Road and south of Creekdale 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.000 Drive. 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:13.360 Some of you may recall this property was annexed in 2018. 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.260 Following that, it was assigned that RD5X placeholder. 00:12:16.260 --> 00:12:18.680 That's what transitioned to RR. 00:12:18.680 --> 00:12:23.680 There was a previous request for Neighborhood Residential 4 zoning on this property as well 00:12:23.680 --> 00:12:27.720 as the adjacent properties to the northwest. 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:33.120 That request was denied in 2018 as a result of concerns related to traffic on Hickory 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:34.580 Creek Road. 00:12:34.580 --> 00:12:38.960 So this is an entirely new request unrelated to that one, if anyone remembers that previous 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:40.920 case. 00:12:40.920 --> 00:12:43.840 This is just a look at what the zoning map would look like. 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:48.320 Currently, again, it has that RR zoning that transitioned from the placeholder following 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:55.520 its annexation and it would be reflected as PD if this was approved. 00:12:55.520 --> 00:12:58.440 Wanted to start by walking you through the development plan. 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.560 This is, of course, a requested single-family subdivision. 00:13:01.560 --> 00:13:07.400 The plan and the PD standards reflect a maximum of 156 single-family lots. 00:13:07.400 --> 00:13:10.120 They intend to develop this as one phase. 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:15.980 There are a few areas such as this detention pond on the northern end and this area here 00:13:15.980 --> 00:13:20.760 on the far eastern side at the south side that would be HOA common areas. 00:13:20.760 --> 00:13:25.580 The area in yellow on your map is what is needed for right-of-way dedication for the 00:13:25.580 --> 00:13:27.960 Hickory Creek roadway expansion. 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:31.400 That is an ongoing capital improvement project. 00:13:31.400 --> 00:13:35.320 And then the area outlined in red is what is proposed as park dedication and that is 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:38.000 approximately 23 acres of land. 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:43.520 It does include a mixture of flood plain as well as some land out of the flood plain. 00:13:43.520 --> 00:13:46.940 So this blue line here delineates where those flood plain limits are. 00:13:46.940 --> 00:13:50.960 So this would be just open space flood plain and this other area could be developed for 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:54.960 park improvements. 00:13:54.960 --> 00:14:00.440 The PD standards that were in your backup are kind of summarized here on the screen. 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:02.080 My apologies. 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:05.080 So they are proposing this as a cluster subdivision. 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:08.480 If that's a term that you're unfamiliar with, I wanted to provide a definition of what that 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:09.480 is. 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:14.840 So the DDC allows for cluster subdivisions in instances where some or all of the lots 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:18.880 are smaller than the area and width dimensions that would typically be seen, but that allows 00:14:18.880 --> 00:14:23.940 for flexibility by increasing density in those places to offset that with permanent protection 00:14:23.940 --> 00:14:25.880 of common open spaces. 00:14:25.880 --> 00:14:29.240 The code allows for several options of how that open space could be maintained. 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:33.000 It could be dedicated to like a third-party entity that's a land trust that would hold 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:39.000 it or it could be dedicated to the city as park and that's what's proposed in this instance. 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:43.440 For a cluster subdivision, there is a minimum requirement of 30% of the total area to be 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:44.440 open space. 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:48.260 So you can see the breakdown on the screen of what they've proposed and they would be 00:14:48.260 --> 00:14:54.200 at 37% total park dedication with that 23 acres, so they do meet that requirement. 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:59.820 Again, just showing you a summary of their development standards. 00:14:59.820 --> 00:15:04.220 What they're proposing is actually consistent with the R6 district, but rather than then 00:15:04.220 --> 00:15:09.480 go straight R6 and obtain more lots, they're proposing to offset that increased density 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:14.480 that might otherwise be out of character for this area by providing that 30% open space 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.040 or 37% in this case. 00:15:17.040 --> 00:15:22.000 So they're not proposing any deviations from the standard R6 in terms of lot dimensions 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:23.840 or square footage. 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:25.380 They would follow all of those standards. 00:15:25.380 --> 00:15:29.460 The difference in this case is again, that open space dedication that we would not normally 00:15:29.460 --> 00:15:36.240 see with a standard single family development in R6. 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:40.520 As is outlined in your backup, we do have our standard criteria for approval that apply 00:15:40.520 --> 00:15:41.760 to all applications. 00:15:41.760 --> 00:15:45.240 I won't go through all of these in detail, but we will touch on many of these as we go 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.200 through the PD specific criteria. 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:51.560 So just outline on your screen here, some of these that do not apply, for example, they've 00:15:51.560 --> 00:15:55.920 not proposed phasing with this development, there were no prior approvals that they needed 00:15:55.920 --> 00:15:59.800 to comply with, and then we'll look at these other items in a little more detail in terms 00:15:59.800 --> 00:16:06.000 of the comprehensive plan and provision of services to the site. 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.640 So these six criteria will walk through in a little more detail that are specific to 00:16:09.640 --> 00:16:12.680 a PD application. 00:16:12.680 --> 00:16:16.520 The first criterion is consistency with our comprehensive plan. 00:16:16.520 --> 00:16:20.480 So this area, as you can see, is designated for low residential. 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:25.960 That is that designation for that one to four dwelling units per acre single family development. 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:29.440 When you look at the density, since they are proposing this as a cluster with that significant 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:34.720 amount of open space, they do come in at a gross density of 2.6 dwelling units per acre. 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:39.000 So they are consistent with that designation. 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:42.120 The second criterion is compliance with our development code. 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.200 Again, yes. 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:45.200 Commissioner Smith has a question. 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:46.200 Yes, of course. 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:48.200 Thank you, Chair. 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:53.920 Haley, on that, on the, that's the gross density, and I never liked on these cluster zonings 00:16:53.920 --> 00:16:57.960 like cluster developments like this, but especially when you've got something like a floodplain 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:04.280 where they couldn't build there anyways, you remove that open space at 23 acres, that leaves 00:17:04.280 --> 00:17:09.160 the density at probably closer to like five, almost six. 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:14.080 They would be at, so I did that calculation in case anyone asked, they would be at 4.4 00:17:14.080 --> 00:17:15.080 units per acre. 00:17:15.080 --> 00:17:16.080 All right. 00:17:16.080 --> 00:17:20.200 If you, if you took out the 23 acres, but bearing in mind that about five acres of that 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:24.680 23 is actually developable, developable land outside of the floodplain that's above and 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:25.680 beyond parkland dedication. 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:26.680 That's fine. 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:27.680 All right. 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:28.680 Awesome. 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:29.680 My questions at the end. 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:30.680 Thank you. 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:31.680 Okay. 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:34.080 All right. 00:17:34.080 --> 00:17:37.080 So the second criterion again is compliance with the DDC. 00:17:37.080 --> 00:17:41.000 As you could see in their development standards, they are proposing to develop everything consistent 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:42.960 with the R6 district. 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:48.440 So that is not only these dimensional standards that we see here, but in terms of uses, they're 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:53.480 proposing again, as we saw, single family and park, they are proposing to allow all 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:57.480 of those accessory uses that would be permitted in R6. 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:02.880 So they are not proposing any significant deviations from the DDC, but the PD is a requirement 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:05.320 if you want to follow that cluster subdivision procedure. 00:18:05.320 --> 00:18:08.040 So that's what led them down this path. 00:18:08.040 --> 00:18:12.360 The third criterion is whether they would provide greater building design amenities 00:18:12.360 --> 00:18:13.680 and connectivity. 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:16.740 So again, as I mentioned, the building design would follow the DDC standards. 00:18:16.740 --> 00:18:20.040 So it'd be consistent with the type of product that we see in this area for other single 00:18:20.040 --> 00:18:21.880 family developments. 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:25.880 They are proposing that 23 acres of park and open space. 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:28.160 So just wanted to look at that in a little more detail. 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:32.240 As I alluded to earlier, they are going above and beyond their parkland dedication with 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:34.100 what's outside of the floodplain. 00:18:34.100 --> 00:18:39.080 They would be required just over one acre of dedication for 156 units. 00:18:39.080 --> 00:18:43.640 And then in addition to that, they're setting aside that 18.7 acres that meets that 30% 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:47.480 requirement for a cluster subdivision that would be permanently set aside as open space 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:50.720 and floodplain conservation area. 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:54.840 In terms of connectivity, they are helping the connectivity of this area, which has been 00:18:54.840 --> 00:18:58.840 kind of piecemealed over time as parcels have annexed and developed. 00:18:58.840 --> 00:19:02.640 So they would be extending Creekdale on the north side that you can see here. 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:05.880 And then they do have, of course, this pathway through where residents would now have a new 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:09.240 option to get from Creekdale down to Hickory Creek, where they would have their primary 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:11.960 entrance at this location. 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.840 And then they are proposing an additional connection point to the east that would eventually 00:19:15.840 --> 00:19:20.400 align if the adjacent property develops with a street that was stubbed out with the neighboring 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:21.780 subdivision. 00:19:21.780 --> 00:19:23.720 So they are improving the street connectivity. 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:28.880 Similarly, they are planning to work with our Parks Department for some initial trail 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:32.680 improvements through this park that would have points of connectivity proposed where 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:37.200 the streets would abut this at these two locations, as well as down here to provide some additional 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:43.280 pedestrian connectivity and amenities to the area. 00:19:43.280 --> 00:19:48.440 The fourth criterion is applicable to residential uses and looks at whether there would be compatible 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:52.480 types of buildings, uses, and whether it would be consistent with the character of the area. 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:58.460 Again, this PD is proposing to limit those principal uses to single-family detached, 00:19:58.460 --> 00:20:02.360 so that is consistent with what we have in this area, as there are several other single-family 00:20:02.360 --> 00:20:05.980 developments in the immediate vicinity of this. 00:20:05.980 --> 00:20:08.720 Their lots would have a minimum of 6,000 square feet. 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:12.080 That is consistent with other subdivisions when I examine kind of this larger area to 00:20:12.080 --> 00:20:14.240 see what lot sizes were in the area. 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:19.620 They range anywhere from Thistle Hills with much larger lots in the first phase that were 00:20:19.620 --> 00:20:24.320 a little over 10,000 square feet, to many of the more recent subdivisions such as Ryan 00:20:24.320 --> 00:20:27.280 Meadows that were at that 6,000 square foot mark. 00:20:27.280 --> 00:20:31.260 So they are consistent with the area, and again, they would follow our DDC requirements 00:20:31.260 --> 00:20:35.760 for building design, so we would have similar styles and types of homes that we see throughout 00:20:35.760 --> 00:20:40.000 the rest of the city under those standards. 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:43.800 Criterion five is applicable for non-residential uses, whether they are appropriate in terms 00:20:43.800 --> 00:20:46.520 of their location and how they've been planned. 00:20:46.520 --> 00:20:50.160 This PD is proposing that park use that would be non-residential. 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:54.120 They've been coordinating with the Parks Department throughout their review process to ensure 00:20:54.120 --> 00:20:59.660 that this is a desirable location for a neighborhood park, and again, as we looked at earlier, 00:20:59.660 --> 00:21:04.260 they are proposing to meet, not only meet, but also exceed both the open space requirements 00:21:04.260 --> 00:21:09.740 for a cluster subdivision, but also parkland dedication. 00:21:09.740 --> 00:21:13.920 And then the sixth criterion has several components that we'll walk through to discuss their provision 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:16.600 of public facilities that would support the development. 00:21:16.600 --> 00:21:21.280 First, we look at schools, and we did reach out to Denton ISD to confirm the attendance 00:21:21.280 --> 00:21:25.360 boundaries and student generation, so you can see that here on the screen, and Denton 00:21:25.360 --> 00:21:29.420 ISD indicated that all three of these schools have capacity to serve these additional students 00:21:29.420 --> 00:21:34.860 that would be expected to come from the subdivision. 00:21:34.860 --> 00:21:39.320 Looking at both fire and law enforcement, our fire department, of course, looked at 00:21:39.320 --> 00:21:42.760 their requests, as they do with all of these, and confirmed that they are within the standard 00:21:42.760 --> 00:21:44.720 eight-minute response time boundary. 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:48.960 The nearest fire station that would respond to this location would be Fire Station 6 located 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:54.280 on Teasley Lane, and as this is consistent with, again, the character and uses of the 00:21:54.280 --> 00:21:58.180 area, they're not expected to generate any significant increase in crime or nuisance 00:21:58.180 --> 00:22:02.960 that our police department would be concerned about. 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:06.960 Looking at water and wastewater utilities, you can see on the map here where those facilities 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:10.580 are, so there has been both water and sewer extended to the frontage of this property 00:22:10.580 --> 00:22:17.040 that can be extended throughout the site and loops to provide those services to these homes. 00:22:17.040 --> 00:22:21.400 And then looking at streets, the expected trip generation for this site, you can see 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:25.400 on the screen, is just over 1,400 daily trips for this number of homes. 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:29.360 They will be required to make perimeter street improvements on Creekdale that we looked at 00:22:29.360 --> 00:22:34.560 earlier, so that would be that westward extension of Creekdale from its current terminus. 00:22:34.560 --> 00:22:38.800 And then again, we do have the Hickory Creek alignment, which if you've looked at our mobility 00:22:38.800 --> 00:22:42.680 plan, was originally intended to curve through this property. 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:47.100 If you recall, as I referenced back in 2018, there was an accident on Hickory Creek Road 00:22:47.100 --> 00:22:52.720 that really generated concern about that alignment, and as part of a capital improvement project, 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:57.040 city staff is looking at realigning Hickory Creek Road, and that's what is generally reflected 00:22:57.040 --> 00:22:58.760 here in orange on the map. 00:22:58.760 --> 00:23:02.760 Hickory Creek Road will take off and bridge over the floodplain through this location to 00:23:02.760 --> 00:23:05.720 straighten out that roadway and realign it. 00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:10.080 This I believe is phase three of that project. 00:23:10.080 --> 00:23:15.040 It is very near or at completion of the design phase from what I've heard, and that would 00:23:15.040 --> 00:23:19.680 look at this cross section here where Hickory Creek would be widened to a four-lane divided 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:24.040 section with ultimate right-of-way width to allow for six lanes if we need to expand that 00:23:24.040 --> 00:23:25.840 in the future. 00:23:25.840 --> 00:23:30.440 The applicant did coordinate with our engineering department to look at how they fit into that 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:36.480 CIP plan, so there is a median cut and left turn lane as part of the Hickory Creek plan 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:42.560 already that would provide access to this site, and they did a study that indicated 00:23:42.560 --> 00:23:47.040 that they will merit a right turn lane as well, so they'll be working with city staff 00:23:47.040 --> 00:23:50.680 as well as the adjacent property owner to coordinate and see how feasible that right 00:23:50.680 --> 00:23:57.680 turn lane is and the timing of that in conjunction with this capital improvement project. 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:03.060 And then finally, the final criteria that we look at is associated with parks. 00:24:03.060 --> 00:24:09.760 This property is actually within the 10-minute walk to a park goal with the nearby Cross 00:24:09.760 --> 00:24:14.000 Timbers Park, however, some of these other subdivisions don't currently meet that goal, 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:17.960 so this additional neighborhood park in this location would not only provide closer access 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:22.200 to a park amenity for these future residents, but also other developments in this area that 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:28.020 are outside of that 10-minute goal, so that is an advantage of this development that we 00:24:28.020 --> 00:24:29.360 would see. 00:24:29.360 --> 00:24:31.200 Neighborhood outreach was conducted with this request. 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:35.360 I've received no responses to those notifications to date. 00:24:35.360 --> 00:24:39.720 The applicant did hold a neighborhood meeting back in April via Zoom that they can certainly 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:43.640 provide more details on, but from watching the recording of that that they provided to 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:48.620 me, they did have one council member in attendance as well as a neighbor, but there were no other 00:24:48.620 --> 00:24:53.060 neighbors that attended that neighborhood meeting. 00:24:53.060 --> 00:24:56.560 And finally, staff is recommending approval of this request as we found it to be consistent 00:24:56.560 --> 00:24:58.920 with all of our criteria for approval. 00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:04.440 Their next step after the P&Z meeting would be a City Council meeting next week on June 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:05.440 15th. 00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:12.280 And with that, I will stop sharing and I'm happy to answer any questions. 00:25:12.280 --> 00:25:13.280 Commissioner Smith. 00:25:13.280 --> 00:25:19.320 Hey Vice-Chair, Haley, can you go back over what the 2018 projected project was when they 00:25:19.320 --> 00:25:21.840 presented it or just rough, rough on that? 00:25:21.840 --> 00:25:22.840 Sure. 00:25:22.840 --> 00:25:26.760 So they had proposed a zoning of neighborhood residential four, and if you remember under 00:25:26.760 --> 00:25:32.400 the the 2002 code, there were not minimum lot sizes, so that was just on a density basis. 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:35.320 They could have had up to four units per acre. 00:25:35.320 --> 00:25:40.360 That rezoning was actually for a larger site that was, I believe, 92 acres in total. 00:25:40.360 --> 00:25:45.080 So it was a significantly higher number of units than what we see with this case. 00:25:45.080 --> 00:25:48.880 And that rezoning, as I mentioned, was denied at council. 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:53.680 That applicant came back afterwards and started to propose something a lower density, but 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:57.960 then ultimately withdrew that request because of the unknowns associated with Hickory Creek 00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:01.320 Road at that time. 00:26:01.320 --> 00:26:07.780 The right of way is over that detention pond, is that correct? 00:26:07.780 --> 00:26:11.620 So there is an existing pond, it's actually an environmentally sensitive area. 00:26:11.620 --> 00:26:18.080 The 4.6 acres that is needed for the Hickory Creek Road alignment is not just for the roadway 00:26:18.080 --> 00:26:22.960 itself but for drainage improvements associated with that roadway as well as that bridge and 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:24.760 some of the infrastructure for that. 00:26:24.760 --> 00:26:27.260 So that pond would be removed. 00:26:27.260 --> 00:26:32.720 Our code does require, it does allow for that removal since it is a mobility plan needed 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:33.720 roadway. 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:38.520 However, any remaining land that's not affected by that would be expected to be restored in 00:26:38.520 --> 00:26:41.560 coordination with our environmental services department to try to restore some of those 00:26:41.560 --> 00:26:42.560 ESA functions. 00:26:42.560 --> 00:26:49.120 So that ESA analysis is done at the mobility side of things, not at this development side? 00:26:49.120 --> 00:26:52.720 There was an ESA field assessment completed for this project that looked at all of those 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:57.600 pieces and confirmed that there is floodplain and I believe water-related habitat around 00:26:57.600 --> 00:26:58.600 that pond. 00:26:58.600 --> 00:27:00.600 I might have just missed that piece. 00:27:00.600 --> 00:27:06.600 Next thing, there's a PD and I think it's the reserve at Creekside that's up there on 00:27:06.600 --> 00:27:16.160 Ryan because this location is surrounded by, it's got an R4 on the west end across Hickory 00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:20.760 Creek or Country Club, across the railroad there's R2. 00:27:20.760 --> 00:27:28.320 There's a PD up there along Ryan Road, I'm thinking it looks like it's R4 but I can't 00:27:28.320 --> 00:27:33.160 tell just knowing how many acres it is, the GIS map will tell us how many units are in 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:35.600 there so can we see that before public? 00:27:35.600 --> 00:27:41.400 Sure, I do have some data so the Creekside development is a little unique, it actually 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.880 before annexing into the city that landowner entered into a pre-annexation development 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:50.440 agreement that established they would ultimately put on the property. 00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:56.800 That subdivision is 137 units, it's about 47 acres, I think the density is right at 00:27:56.800 --> 00:28:01.720 just under three units per acre because there was a significant area of ESA that was set 00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:05.900 aside as well as some tree preservation that was required as part of that pre-annexation 00:28:05.900 --> 00:28:07.520 development agreement. 00:28:07.520 --> 00:28:14.520 Okay, understood, thank you. 00:28:14.520 --> 00:28:17.520 Anyone else have a question for Haley? 00:28:17.520 --> 00:28:22.200 Haley, did anything come out of the neighborhood meeting? 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:27.780 I mean obviously there was only one person there but was there any comment? 00:28:27.780 --> 00:28:32.520 So I believe if I remember correctly the neighbor that attended is actually the person who is 00:28:32.520 --> 00:28:37.660 selling this property that's retaining some of their land, the mayor was also in attendance 00:28:37.660 --> 00:28:41.940 so there was a pretty good discussion with the mayor regarding the project itself and 00:28:41.940 --> 00:28:45.520 the mobility changes that are occurring in the area but no concerns from the neighbors 00:28:45.520 --> 00:28:46.520 that I heard. 00:28:46.520 --> 00:28:49.560 Okay, okay good, thank you. 00:28:49.560 --> 00:28:52.520 Anyone else? 00:28:52.520 --> 00:28:54.740 I don't see any, thank you Haley. 00:28:54.740 --> 00:28:56.240 Thank you. 00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:04.320 Let's see, I think that was our, that is our last agenda item. 00:29:04.320 --> 00:29:11.000 So with that I will close our work session at 537, we will meet back here for our public 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:13.040 meeting at 630. 00:29:13.040 --> 00:29:19.600 Thank you all. 00:29:19.600 --> 00:29:23.600 Hello and welcome to the City of Denton's planning and zoning meeting for Wednesday, 00:29:23.600 --> 00:29:26.140 June 9th, 2021. 00:29:26.140 --> 00:29:31.760 With a quorum present I will call us to order at 633 p.m. 00:29:31.760 --> 00:29:37.500 First item on the agenda is Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. and Texas Flags. 00:29:37.500 --> 00:29:42.380 Fellow commissioners feel free to unmute yourself if you would like to participate. 00:29:42.380 --> 00:29:48.640 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:58.960 which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:11.280 Honor the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas flag, one state, under God, indivisible. 00:30:11.280 --> 00:30:17.560 Next item on our agenda is to consider approval of the planning and zoning minutes for May 00:30:17.560 --> 00:30:18.560 19th. 00:30:18.560 --> 00:30:23.320 I will entertain a motion. 00:30:23.320 --> 00:30:24.320 Commissioner Smith. 00:30:24.320 --> 00:30:26.320 Make a motion to approve. 00:30:26.320 --> 00:30:28.280 Motion on the floor to approve. 00:30:28.280 --> 00:30:29.280 Commissioner Anderson. 00:30:29.280 --> 00:30:30.280 Second the motion. 00:30:30.280 --> 00:30:34.760 So motion and a second to approve the minutes. 00:30:34.760 --> 00:30:35.760 Any discussion? 00:30:35.760 --> 00:30:40.560 All right, we'll take a vote via roll call. 00:30:40.560 --> 00:30:41.760 Commissioner Smith. 00:30:41.760 --> 00:30:42.920 Aye. 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:43.920 Commissioner Anderson. 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:44.920 Aye. 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:46.440 Commissioner Cole. 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:47.440 Aye. 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.480 Commissioner Pruitt. 00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:50.480 Aye. 00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:52.920 And Chair, is also an aye. 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.760 That motion carries 5-0. 00:30:56.760 --> 00:30:58.480 Commissioner Anderson, did you have a question? 00:30:58.480 --> 00:30:59.880 Thanks, Chair. 00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:04.620 Should Commissioner Pruitt abstain since he wasn't at the last meeting? 00:31:04.620 --> 00:31:10.680 I do believe in the past we have been told that even commissioners who were not at the 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:14.960 meeting for the minutes can approve, can vote on the minutes. 00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:15.960 Is that correct, Mac? 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:16.960 That is exactly right. 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:17.960 Yes. 00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:18.960 Okay. 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:19.960 Awesome. 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:20.960 Okay. 00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:21.960 Welcome, Harry. 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:22.960 Thank you. 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:24.920 I did view the meeting, so. 00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:29.160 Okay, we will move on to our consent agenda. 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.960 Chair can entertain discussion or a motion. 00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:33.960 Commissioner Smith. 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.000 I make a motion to approve. 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:40.760 We have a motion to approve the consent agenda. 00:31:40.760 --> 00:31:42.760 Commissioner Anderson. 00:31:42.760 --> 00:31:43.760 Second the motion. 00:31:43.760 --> 00:31:49.880 We have a first and a second for the consent agenda discussion. 00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:50.880 Commissioner Pruitt. 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:52.760 Yeah, just a comment. 00:31:52.760 --> 00:31:58.720 I just wanted to thank staff and the applicants on both of these for making provisions for 00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:04.720 connectivity, sort of in the spirit of our 2019 code, even though the previous code that 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.120 they were under doesn't actually require it. 00:32:07.120 --> 00:32:12.080 It seems like they went above and beyond having to cross some utility easements and get some 00:32:12.080 --> 00:32:16.320 turnaround easements in order to accomplish that, so I appreciate that. 00:32:16.320 --> 00:32:17.320 Thank you for your comments. 00:32:17.320 --> 00:32:18.320 That's awesome. 00:32:18.320 --> 00:32:19.320 Okay. 00:32:19.320 --> 00:32:22.800 We have a first and a second for the approval of the consent agenda. 00:32:22.800 --> 00:32:24.400 Any further discussion? 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:25.400 Okay. 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:26.400 We'll take a vote. 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:28.800 There will be a roll call. 00:32:28.800 --> 00:32:29.800 Commissioner Smith. 00:32:29.800 --> 00:32:30.800 Aye. 00:32:30.800 --> 00:32:31.800 Commissioner Anderson. 00:32:31.800 --> 00:32:32.800 Aye. 00:32:32.800 --> 00:32:33.800 Commissioner Cole. 00:32:33.800 --> 00:32:34.800 Aye. 00:32:34.800 --> 00:32:35.800 Commissioner Pruitt. 00:32:35.800 --> 00:32:36.800 Aye. 00:32:36.800 --> 00:32:38.040 And the chair is also an aye. 00:32:38.040 --> 00:32:41.440 That motion carries five zero. 00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:45.800 That will take us to our items for individual consideration. 00:32:45.800 --> 00:33:00.760 Item number A is PP21-009A, and I will invite Haley Zygarski to present that item. 00:33:00.760 --> 00:33:03.920 Get that pulled up here. 00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:11.000 Sorry, jumped a little ahead there. 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:19.520 All right, so this is a preliminary plat for the I-35 cold storage project that is intended 00:33:19.520 --> 00:33:21.480 for an industrial development. 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:26.220 The project is located on the west side of I-35, north of Barthold Road, as you can see 00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:28.120 on the map here. 00:33:28.120 --> 00:33:32.900 Since the agenda posting, the applicant was able to resolve all of their outstanding comments, 00:33:32.900 --> 00:33:36.680 so at this time, staff is recommending approval as it meets the established requirements, 00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:43.040 and I'm happy to answer any questions. 00:33:43.040 --> 00:33:44.040 Thank you, Haley. 00:33:44.040 --> 00:33:50.720 Are there any questions for Haley on this item? 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:52.880 I do not see any, Haley. 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:53.880 Thank you. 00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:58.920 I will make mention that for this item, we had two people make comments using our online 00:33:58.920 --> 00:33:59.920 form. 00:33:59.920 --> 00:34:03.160 There were zero in support, two against. 00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:07.800 All of these comment forms were emailed to the commissioners and our city secretary to 00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:10.040 be recorded. 00:34:10.040 --> 00:34:12.920 Chair can entertain a motion at this time. 00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:13.920 Commissioner Cole? 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:14.920 Motion to approve. 00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:18.440 Okay, we have a motion on the floor to approve this item. 00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:19.440 Commissioner Smith? 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:20.440 I do. 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:23.120 We have a first and a second for approval. 00:34:23.120 --> 00:34:24.120 Any discussion? 00:34:24.120 --> 00:34:28.380 Okay, we'll call for a vote via roll call. 00:34:28.380 --> 00:34:29.380 Commissioner Cole? 00:34:29.380 --> 00:34:30.380 Aye. 00:34:30.380 --> 00:34:31.380 Commissioner Smith? 00:34:31.380 --> 00:34:32.380 Aye. 00:34:32.380 --> 00:34:33.380 Commissioner Anderson? 00:34:33.380 --> 00:34:34.380 Aye. 00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:35.380 Commissioner Pruitt? 00:34:35.380 --> 00:34:36.380 Aye. 00:34:36.380 --> 00:34:40.040 And the chair is also an aye. 00:34:40.040 --> 00:34:43.080 That item passes 5-0. 00:34:43.080 --> 00:34:47.920 That will move us to 4B, FP21-0014. 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.840 That is also Haley's item. 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:59.200 All right, good evening. 00:34:59.200 --> 00:35:02.160 This is a final plan for the Eagle Cove edition. 00:35:02.160 --> 00:35:05.240 This is a single-family residential development. 00:35:05.240 --> 00:35:09.960 It is located on the south side of Dutchess, as you can see here on the map. 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:14.240 As with our last item, since the posting of the agenda, the applicant was able to resolve 00:35:14.240 --> 00:35:18.280 all of their outstanding comments and staff is recommending approval as it now meets the 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:19.280 established requirements. 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:24.620 And I am happy to answer any questions. 00:35:24.620 --> 00:35:25.620 Thank you again, Haley. 00:35:25.620 --> 00:35:28.680 Does anyone have any questions for Haley? 00:35:28.680 --> 00:35:32.760 I do not see any. 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:38.480 I will mention that for this item, we had one person make comment using our online form. 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:44.180 There was zero in support, one against, and this comment was emailed to all the commissioners 00:35:44.180 --> 00:35:48.920 and our city secretary to be recorded. 00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:49.920 Commissioner Anderson? 00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:51.920 I make a motion to approve. 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:54.760 Okay, we have a motion on the floor to approve. 00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:55.760 Commissioner Cole? 00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:56.760 Second. 00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:01.400 Okay, first and a second to approve, FP 210014. 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:02.400 Any discussion? 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:07.040 Okay, with that, I will call for a vote, be a roll call. 00:36:07.040 --> 00:36:08.040 Commissioner Anderson? 00:36:08.040 --> 00:36:09.040 Aye. 00:36:09.040 --> 00:36:10.040 Commissioner Cole? 00:36:10.040 --> 00:36:11.040 Aye. 00:36:11.040 --> 00:36:12.040 Commissioner Smith? 00:36:12.040 --> 00:36:13.040 Aye. 00:36:13.040 --> 00:36:14.040 Commissioner Pruitt? 00:36:14.040 --> 00:36:15.040 Aye. 00:36:15.040 --> 00:36:18.040 And the chair is also an aye. 00:36:18.040 --> 00:36:20.860 That motion carries 5-0. 00:36:20.860 --> 00:36:27.800 That will move us to 4C, FP 20027B. 00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:34.520 The applicant is withdrawing this request at this time, so there will be no action on 00:36:34.520 --> 00:36:37.640 this item tonight. 00:36:37.640 --> 00:36:46.520 And we will move to 4D, FP 210013B, and invite Sean Jacobson for presentation. 00:36:46.520 --> 00:36:51.000 Good evening, Chair and members of the commission. 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:56.600 If you'll give me just a moment, I'll go ahead and start my presentation here. 00:36:56.600 --> 00:37:02.160 Sorry, one moment. 00:37:02.160 --> 00:37:22.040 So, this is a request for a final plat of the Hilltop Road estates addition. 00:37:22.040 --> 00:37:28.600 This is approximately 20.7-acre property just off the west side of Hilltop Road in the extraterritorial 00:37:28.600 --> 00:37:34.560 jurisdiction, and staff is recommending denial of this request because it does not meet the 00:37:34.560 --> 00:37:39.720 established requirement as outlined in the staff analysis in Exhibit 2. 00:37:39.720 --> 00:37:47.120 And with that, I'll be happy to answer any questions. 00:37:47.120 --> 00:37:49.440 I have a question. 00:37:49.440 --> 00:38:00.380 This is Brad Book, not in your property development, doing the development at Hilltop estate subdivision. 00:38:00.380 --> 00:38:11.160 We submitted, and the denial is solely on the engineering. 00:38:11.160 --> 00:38:16.760 This is not the platform for this discussion, nor have you been recognized to speak at this 00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:21.280 meeting at this time. 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.240 Please get with staff. 00:38:23.240 --> 00:38:25.360 Thank you. 00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:32.360 And please mute yourselves. 00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.400 Thank you. 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:56.340 Are there any questions from the commissioners for Sean? 00:38:56.340 --> 00:38:58.760 Are there any further questions for Sean? 00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:02.160 Okay, I do not see any. 00:39:02.160 --> 00:39:07.360 Mr. Book, if you do want to take four minutes of public comment at this time, you may. 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:32.800 Yes, we submitted this, and the issue is we, the landowner to the north of our property 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:42.400 where all of our property drains to, he signed a letter where he wants all the water we can 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:48.160 give him because he was building a bass pond. 00:39:48.160 --> 00:39:56.040 And that was submitted for playing, for the plat, for the engineering. 00:39:56.040 --> 00:40:03.800 And then they came back and said, "Well, they want a downstream evaluation." 00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:15.240 And we were saying, "Well, they said he accepted all the water, so the downstream evaluation 00:40:15.240 --> 00:40:19.880 would be, you know, he's accepting the water." 00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:20.880 Okay. 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.280 Well, they denied it because of that, which is one item. 00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:28.720 We're trying to get it approved, such as that one item. 00:40:28.720 --> 00:40:39.840 And we went ahead and we ordered surveys for the topography of that bass pond to serve as 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:50.080 our retention pond, which the landowner, Mr. Riley, said he was fine with because he wants 00:40:50.080 --> 00:40:59.240 all the water, and that took some time over, you know, the rains and everything, for them 00:40:59.240 --> 00:41:00.240 to get out there. 00:41:00.240 --> 00:41:05.400 We just got that and ready to resubmit, and our engineer won't take but a couple of days 00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:15.160 to resubmit, but I don't know why we even have to do that since he's accepting all the 00:41:15.160 --> 00:41:23.280 water, and that would be in his hands, not ours, and it's additional cost and expense, 00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:31.560 and having to pay for this resubmittal of the plat is my, I'm understanding, it would 00:41:31.560 --> 00:41:39.200 take two weeks for us to have it resubmitted to you all as we meet these comments because 00:41:39.200 --> 00:41:44.440 of this downstream evaluation showing that the pond is adequate and that it's a outlet 00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:49.400 for the spines going down to, I believe, the Freshy Creek. 00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:55.800 But this extra expense in town, I don't know why it couldn't be approved with just that 00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:06.440 one comment, with an exception, Sean did tell me that the chairman of that committee is 00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:17.720 adamant about not approving anything subject to the engineering of that part, so that is 00:42:17.720 --> 00:42:19.960 my comment on this project. 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:25.200 Thank you, Mr. Book. 00:42:25.200 --> 00:42:30.600 Does anyone have any questions? 00:42:30.600 --> 00:42:38.920 And I do appreciate your comments, you know, there are criteria to meet for approval. 00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:46.200 Once that is met, it can be resubmitted, and it will come to us within a 15-day period 00:42:46.200 --> 00:42:50.560 once it is resubmitted. 00:42:50.560 --> 00:42:52.760 What about the fee for that? 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:58.960 Well, there is a fee for that, yes, and that is something that you can talk with staff 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:05.720 about, now or later. 00:43:05.720 --> 00:43:09.840 No, I would have to be away from the public hearing, but I'll make sure Sean gets with 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:10.840 you on that. 00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:11.840 Okay. 00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:12.840 Thank you. 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:13.840 Thank you. 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:23.040 Is there any further discussion, commissioners, do you have any questions after that comment 00:43:23.040 --> 00:43:25.040 for Sean? 00:43:25.040 --> 00:43:29.320 Okay, I do not see any, yes, I do. 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:30.320 Commissioner Anderson. 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:31.720 Thank you, Chair. 00:43:31.720 --> 00:43:40.880 Is there a way, Sean, would you accept maybe a recommendation of pushing this back a couple 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:47.200 of weeks, like, instead of just totally denying it right now, is that something we could entertain? 00:43:47.200 --> 00:43:55.720 Well, as you know, we can only approve one extension of a plat, the state only permits 00:43:55.720 --> 00:43:59.800 one extension, and they have already requested and received that extension. 00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:00.800 Okay. 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:01.800 Thank you. 00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:06.360 Yeah, we're up against that House bill, that's playing a role here. 00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:13.720 Okay, no, that's perfectly fine, thank you. 00:44:13.720 --> 00:44:14.720 Thank you, Sean. 00:44:14.720 --> 00:44:19.800 If you could get with Mr. Book, if he's still on the line, I appreciate it when you can. 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:21.320 Thank you. 00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:22.320 Is there further discussion? 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.400 If not, we can entertain a motion. 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:25.400 Commissioner Smith. 00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:32.600 I'm Mr. Book, I'm super sorry to hear about this, but as Vice Chair Ellis said, this chalk 00:44:32.600 --> 00:44:36.360 loss got us handcuffed here, that we'd love to be able to extend you back, but not much 00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:41.080 we can do based off the state legislator, so I will make a motion to deny. 00:44:41.080 --> 00:44:45.080 Some motion on the floor to deny. 00:44:45.080 --> 00:44:48.240 Commissioner Cole. 00:44:48.240 --> 00:44:49.240 I'll second. 00:44:49.240 --> 00:44:54.680 Okay, we have a first and a second to deny. 00:44:54.680 --> 00:44:58.160 Further discussion? 00:44:58.160 --> 00:45:00.840 Seeing none, we will take a vote via roll call. 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:01.840 Commissioner Smith. 00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:02.840 Aye. 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:03.840 Commissioner Cole. 00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:04.840 Aye. 00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:05.840 Commissioner Anderson. 00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:06.840 Aye. 00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:07.840 Commissioner Pruitt. 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:08.840 Aye. 00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:17.800 And the Chair is also an aye, so that motion carries 5-0. 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:29.600 Next item is 4EPP21-0007B, also Sean Jacobson's item. 00:45:29.600 --> 00:45:42.420 Go ahead and pull that up. 00:45:42.420 --> 00:45:50.520 This proposal is a request for a preliminary plat, the Vintage Village addition, 51.808 00:45:50.520 --> 00:45:58.680 acre property just off Vintage Boulevard, and as the applicant has made the necessary 00:45:58.680 --> 00:46:04.280 changes, staff is changing the recommendation to approval of this request as it now meets 00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:06.480 the established requirements. 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:10.480 With that, we'd be happy to answer any questions. 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:17.720 Commissioners, are there any questions for Sean? 00:46:17.720 --> 00:46:18.880 I do not see any. 00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:19.880 Thank you, Sean. 00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:26.800 I will mention that for this item, we had one person make comment using the online form. 00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:31.120 Zero in support, one against. 00:46:31.120 --> 00:46:38.880 This one comment has been emailed to the commissioners and to the city secretary to be recorded. 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:42.560 With that, I will entertain a motion or discussion. 00:46:42.560 --> 00:46:43.560 Commissioner Smith. 00:46:43.560 --> 00:46:45.560 Make a motion to approve. 00:46:45.560 --> 00:46:49.120 There's a motion on the floor to approve this item. 00:46:49.120 --> 00:46:50.120 Commissioner Cole. 00:46:50.120 --> 00:46:51.120 Second. 00:46:51.120 --> 00:46:59.840 It's a first and a second to approve PP210007B. 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:02.520 With that, I will take a vote via roll call. 00:47:02.520 --> 00:47:03.520 Commissioner Smith. 00:47:03.520 --> 00:47:04.520 Aye. 00:47:04.520 --> 00:47:05.520 Commissioner Cole. 00:47:05.520 --> 00:47:06.520 Aye. 00:47:06.520 --> 00:47:07.520 Commissioner Anderson. 00:47:07.520 --> 00:47:08.520 Aye. 00:47:08.520 --> 00:47:10.000 Commissioner Pruitt. 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:11.000 Aye. 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:12.880 Chair, there's also an aye. 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.500 That motion carries 5-0. 00:47:15.500 --> 00:47:24.580 That will move us to 4F, PP210008A. 00:47:24.580 --> 00:47:29.080 That is Mark Laird's. 00:47:29.080 --> 00:47:30.080 Good evening. 00:47:30.080 --> 00:47:31.080 My name is Mark Laird. 00:47:31.080 --> 00:47:32.840 I'm a planner with the development service department. 00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:37.440 For your review consideration this evening, I have for you the Plenary Plot of S.P. 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.240 Ditten 1, Addition Phase 2. 00:47:40.240 --> 00:47:46.280 This property is located along the west line of Western Boulevard and north of Airport 00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:48.840 Road. 00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:55.040 After the posting of this agenda, the applicant has addressed all the comments listed within 00:47:55.040 --> 00:48:00.640 Exhibit 2 of the staff analysis, and staff is recommending the approval of this Plenary 00:48:00.640 --> 00:48:01.640 Plot. 00:48:01.640 --> 00:48:07.320 I stand for any questions that you may have. 00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.600 Any questions for Mark on this item? 00:48:10.600 --> 00:48:14.400 I do not see any, Mark. 00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.640 Thank you. 00:48:16.640 --> 00:48:25.880 Chair, we'll entertain a discussion or a motion. 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:34.480 Okay, well, the Chair will make a motion to approve this item. 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:35.480 Commissioner Cole. 00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:36.480 Second. 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:42.640 Okay, there's a motion on the floor to approve PP21008. 00:48:42.640 --> 00:48:45.520 Any discussion? 00:48:45.520 --> 00:48:47.280 Take a vote via roll call. 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:48.280 Commissioner Cole. 00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:49.280 Aye. 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:50.280 Commissioner Smith. 00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:51.280 Aye. 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:52.280 Commissioner Anderson. 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:53.280 Aye. 00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:54.280 Commissioner Pruitt. 00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:55.280 Aye. 00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:59.440 Chair is also an aye. 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:03.480 That motion carries 5-0. 00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:08.660 Next item is 4G PP210010. 00:49:08.660 --> 00:49:14.040 That is also Mark Laird's item. 00:49:14.040 --> 00:49:15.960 Good evening again. 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:23.020 For your view and consideration, I have the Plenary Plot for Windsor Oaks, Phase 2 edition. 00:49:23.020 --> 00:49:30.200 This property is generally located along Ferris Road, Silverdome Road, and Cooper Creek Road. 00:49:30.200 --> 00:49:38.220 This property is slated for a residential development, and staff is recommending a -- recommended 00:49:38.220 --> 00:49:39.220 now. 00:49:39.220 --> 00:49:44.480 However, the applicant has made a request for a 30-day extension, and staff is in support 00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:45.480 of that request. 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:51.040 And I stand for any questions. 00:49:51.040 --> 00:49:57.040 Any questions for Mark on this item? 00:49:57.040 --> 00:49:58.340 I do not see any, Mark. 00:49:58.340 --> 00:50:00.080 Thank you very much. 00:50:00.080 --> 00:50:06.200 I will mention that 35 people commented using our online form. 00:50:06.200 --> 00:50:10.560 There were three in support of this item, 32 against. 00:50:10.560 --> 00:50:14.400 All of these comments were emailed to the commissioners and to the city secretary to 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:17.560 be recorded. 00:50:17.560 --> 00:50:18.560 Commissioner Smith. 00:50:18.560 --> 00:50:21.960 Make a motion to postpone the date certain of June 23rd. 00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:28.560 There's a motion on the floor to approve the applicant's request for an extension. 00:50:28.560 --> 00:50:29.560 Commissioner Cole. 00:50:29.560 --> 00:50:30.560 Second. 00:50:30.560 --> 00:50:35.680 We have a first and a second for that extension request. 00:50:35.680 --> 00:50:39.120 Any discussion? 00:50:39.120 --> 00:50:41.480 Seeing none, I will call for a vote. 00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:42.480 Commissioner Smith. 00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:43.480 Aye. 00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:44.480 Commissioner Cole. 00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:45.480 Aye. 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:46.480 Commissioner Anderson. 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:47.480 Aye. 00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:48.480 Commissioner Pruitt. 00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:49.480 Aye. 00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:52.400 Chair, there's also an aye. 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:56.600 That motion carries 5-0. 00:50:56.600 --> 00:51:07.460 That will move us to our public hearing items for tonight, 5AZ21-0007. 00:51:07.460 --> 00:51:14.060 I will go ahead and open the public hearing for this item and make mention that staff 00:51:14.060 --> 00:51:22.280 has requested that this item be postponed to a date certain of June 23rd. 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:23.280 Commissioner Smith. 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.920 Make a motion to postpone this item until date certain of June 23rd. 00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:32.480 There's a motion on the floor to postpone per staff request. 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:33.480 Commissioner Anderson. 00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:34.480 Second. 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:35.480 The motion. 00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:40.880 There's a first and a second on the floor to postpone to a date certain of June 23rd. 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.920 Any discussion? 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:47.000 Seeing none, I will call for a vote via roll call. 00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:48.000 Commissioner Smith. 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:49.000 Aye. 00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:50.000 Commissioner Anderson. 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:51.000 Aye. 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:52.000 Commissioner Cole. 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:53.000 Aye. 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:54.000 Commissioner Pruitt. 00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:55.000 Aye. 00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:58.000 Chair, there's also an aye. 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:04.220 That motion carries 5-0. 00:52:04.220 --> 00:52:07.120 Public hearing has remained open. 00:52:07.120 --> 00:52:14.840 Public hearing item 5B, PD21-0001A. 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:19.400 I will open the public hearing for this item. 00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:32.040 Staff has requested that this item be postponed to a date certain of June 23rd. 00:52:32.040 --> 00:52:37.520 Before that, I will make mention that for this item, we had 36 people make comments 00:52:37.520 --> 00:52:39.520 using our online form. 00:52:39.520 --> 00:52:43.280 There was one in support and 35 against. 00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:48.840 All of these comments were emailed to commissioners and to the city secretary to be recorded. 00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:53.840 And the public hearing will remain open. 00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:54.840 Commissioner Smith. 00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:59.520 Big option to postpone to date certain of June 23rd. 00:52:59.520 --> 00:53:00.520 Commissioner Anderson. 00:53:00.520 --> 00:53:06.280 Well, I had a comment as well. 00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:11.360 After reading all these concerns, it really -- the concerns are valid. 00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:14.600 I have driven that road multiple times. 00:53:14.600 --> 00:53:20.120 And those are just two-lane narrow roads, and we're going to add all these houses to 00:53:20.120 --> 00:53:24.320 an already congested area that these roads really can't handle. 00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:28.220 I know the traffic analysis says that they probably can. 00:53:28.220 --> 00:53:29.440 I don't believe it. 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:30.440 I've driven it. 00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:33.840 I mean, I've driven those roads multiple times. 00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:36.980 And I mean, I do hear the concerns. 00:53:36.980 --> 00:53:40.720 My concern is, are we just kicking a can down the road? 00:53:40.720 --> 00:53:45.200 And it's kind of a catch-22. 00:53:45.200 --> 00:53:46.200 We approve it. 00:53:46.200 --> 00:53:49.960 We're going to make people unhappy that already live there. 00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:52.280 And the second part is we're going to make a developer unhappy. 00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:53.280 That's okay. 00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:54.720 We've done that before. 00:53:54.720 --> 00:53:58.440 But the thing is, once these people move in, they're going to be unhappy with the traffic 00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:04.360 that they're going to have to sit in because the city has failed to build up infrastructure. 00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:11.240 So anyway, I just want to put that out there first, and then I'll vote. 00:54:11.240 --> 00:54:15.660 And I appreciate the kind -- we at the moment don't have a presentation and haven't heard 00:54:15.660 --> 00:54:16.660 this item. 00:54:16.660 --> 00:54:22.520 We've opened the public hearing, though staff has requested that we postpone it to the 23rd 00:54:22.520 --> 00:54:23.520 of June. 00:54:23.520 --> 00:54:28.480 I do have a motion on the floor for that postponement. 00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:33.080 Commissioner Cole? 00:54:33.080 --> 00:54:35.960 You're muted. 00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:42.000 I'll make a motion to second that, but I still have the same concerns as Commissioner Anderson 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.000 about this. 00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:49.080 You know, it seems to me we're putting all these houses in these areas where the infrastructure 00:54:49.080 --> 00:54:53.380 is not even close to being capable of handling it. 00:54:53.380 --> 00:54:55.880 And it's a safety concern. 00:54:55.880 --> 00:55:04.160 I mean, Hickory Creek is the same example, but, you know, when do y'all figure this is 00:55:04.160 --> 00:55:07.200 -- staff figures the roads are going to be ready for this? 00:55:07.200 --> 00:55:10.120 I mean, that's a simple question. 00:55:10.120 --> 00:55:15.080 Just their best guess, and I'll be happy and go away. 00:55:15.080 --> 00:55:18.800 And I think without having a presentation from staff, I mean, we can't really engage 00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:22.160 staff in questions on this item. 00:55:22.160 --> 00:55:23.160 We'll wait until June 2nd. 00:55:23.160 --> 00:55:24.160 I second. 00:55:24.160 --> 00:55:30.280 All right, we've got a first and a second on the floor to postpone this item to June 00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:31.720 23rd. 00:55:31.720 --> 00:55:34.360 Any discussion on the postponement? 00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:35.360 Okay. 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:39.160 Seeing none, I will call for a vote, be a roll call. 00:55:39.160 --> 00:55:40.160 Commissioner Smith? 00:55:40.160 --> 00:55:41.160 Aye. 00:55:41.160 --> 00:55:42.160 Commissioner Cole? 00:55:42.160 --> 00:55:43.160 Aye. 00:55:43.160 --> 00:55:44.400 Commissioner Anderson? 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:45.400 Aye. 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:46.760 Commissioner Pruitt? 00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:47.760 Aye. 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:49.880 Chair, there's also an aye. 00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.480 That item will be postponed to June 23rd. 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:56.440 The public hearing has remained open. 00:55:56.440 --> 00:56:03.040 That moves us to 5CPD 20009B. 00:56:03.040 --> 00:56:07.120 I will call Haley up for presentation and open the public hearing. 00:56:07.120 --> 00:56:08.120 Right. 00:56:08.120 --> 00:56:09.600 Good evening. 00:56:09.600 --> 00:56:16.560 Let me get this shared. 00:56:16.560 --> 00:56:21.200 Jump back to the beginning here. 00:56:21.200 --> 00:56:22.200 All right. 00:56:22.200 --> 00:56:28.840 So this is the Parkside Plan Development PD 20009. 00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:33.400 The request before you this evening is to rezone the subject property outlined in yellow 00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:37.960 on this map from Rural Residential District to Plan Development District. 00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:41.320 The property is a total of 62.39 acres. 00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:45.960 As you can see, it is located on the north side of Hickory Creek Road and is south of 00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:48.840 the Creekdale Drive extension. 00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:53.680 The subject property was annexed fairly recently in 2018. 00:56:53.680 --> 00:56:57.780 It was part of a larger annexation that also included this area here. 00:56:57.780 --> 00:57:00.240 I believe I had said at work session that was 92 acres. 00:57:00.240 --> 00:57:03.960 There was actually a total of 86 acres for all of this. 00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:08.960 All of that property then received the placeholder designation of RD5X. 00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:14.160 And that's because an initial zoning was not assigned during that interim period that 00:57:14.160 --> 00:57:19.960 then transitioned to the RR District with the adoption of the 2019 DDC. 00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:23.960 You may recall there was a past request for rezoning on this property to a neighborhood 00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:29.640 residential 4 district that was denied due to traffic concerns on Hickory Creek Road. 00:57:29.640 --> 00:57:33.400 So this just in the event that you remember that I wanted to point out that this request 00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:34.400 is not related to that. 00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:40.060 It is a different different group than who requested the rezoning in the past. 00:57:40.060 --> 00:57:43.440 This is just a snapshot of what our current zoning map looks like in this area. 00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:47.160 So you can see the subject property with the RR designation. 00:57:47.160 --> 00:57:52.120 All of the areas shown in white on this map are still in the city's ETJ. 00:57:52.120 --> 00:57:55.280 And then this is what that zoning map would look like with the plan development if this 00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:58.840 were approved. 00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:02.600 We'll start by looking at the development plan for this proposed PD. 00:58:02.600 --> 00:58:05.760 Again, it is a total of 69 acres. 00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:11.360 You can see here the residential portion of the development is contained within the north 00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:12.900 side of the property. 00:58:12.900 --> 00:58:18.880 The PD reflects a maximum of 156 residential lots that you can see here. 00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:23.840 There are some areas that would be HOA maintained common areas such as this detention here. 00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:28.120 And then some of these areas on the perimeter of the site such as on the north end and here 00:58:28.120 --> 00:58:31.080 on the south eastern part of the site. 00:58:31.080 --> 00:58:36.520 The area outlined in yellow on this map is approximately 4.6 acres that has been identified 00:58:36.520 --> 00:58:42.220 as a need, a right of way need for the Hickory Creek Road CIP project. 00:58:42.220 --> 00:58:48.160 This area would not just be for the future roadway, but would also be for drainage infrastructure 00:58:48.160 --> 00:58:52.440 and bridge infrastructure for that project, which we'll look at a little bit later how 00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:55.960 that road will be realigned. 00:58:55.960 --> 00:59:02.760 And then the 23 acres here outlined in red is what is proposed as park dedication. 00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:08.560 So this particular PD has been proposed as a cluster subdivision, which is an option 00:59:08.560 --> 00:59:14.080 our code allows in our subdivision standards for areas where they may be looking for smaller 00:59:14.080 --> 00:59:18.280 lots than what would normally be proposed, but they propose to cluster those in one part 00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:23.240 of the site as a trade off for significant open space conservation and preservation on 00:59:23.240 --> 00:59:25.020 another part of the site. 00:59:25.020 --> 00:59:30.800 The open space that is set aside, the code does require to be permanently protected either 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:32.600 it gives several options. 00:59:32.600 --> 00:59:37.720 You could put that in a land trust for preservation or you could dedicate that land to the city 00:59:37.720 --> 00:59:41.720 as a parkland and that is what is proposed in this case. 00:59:41.720 --> 00:59:46.560 For a cluster subdivision, you do have to meet a minimum 30% total open space. 00:59:46.560 --> 00:59:52.640 So for this development, they're at 37% open space with that total 23 acres. 00:59:52.640 --> 00:59:57.100 That is broken down with a total of 18 acres being floodplain environmentally sensitive 00:59:57.100 --> 01:00:01.800 area and then a total of five acres that are outside of the floodplain and are not part 01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:04.220 of the ESA. 01:00:04.220 --> 01:00:07.640 As we talked about at the work session, I did want to point out that that 4.6 acres 01:00:07.640 --> 01:00:12.520 for right-of-way is an environmentally sensitive area that is part of the floodplain and is 01:00:12.520 --> 01:00:15.720 part of a water related habitat. 01:00:15.720 --> 01:00:19.800 The city's environmentally sensitive area code does allow for mobility plan roadways 01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:23.920 as an exception to those ESA requirements, so they wouldn't have to go through that alternative 01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:29.120 ESA process, but the code does dictate that after the roadway improvements are made to 01:00:29.120 --> 01:00:34.840 the greatest extent possible, that work be done in conjunction with our environmental 01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:40.160 services department to restore whatever is left of that land to try to encourage the 01:00:40.160 --> 01:00:45.720 regrowth and reestablishment of those ESAs. 01:00:45.720 --> 01:00:50.200 Then looking at the plan development standards, the important thing here is to note that they're 01:00:50.200 --> 01:00:54.960 not proposing to take advantage of the minimums that are allowed for cluster subdivision. 01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:59.720 They could propose lots as small as 2,500 square feet, what the applicant has proposed 01:00:59.720 --> 01:01:03.640 is to make their development consistent with the R6 standards. 01:01:03.640 --> 01:01:07.560 So those lots would have a minimum area of 6,000 square feet, they would have to meet 01:01:07.560 --> 01:01:12.840 the minimum 50 by 80 lot dimensions, as well as the minimum setbacks that are established 01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:13.840 for R6. 01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:17.440 They would follow all the same requirements for height and building coverage on those 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:18.600 lots. 01:01:18.600 --> 01:01:23.720 The significant difference here is that knowing that R6 is not necessarily consistent with 01:01:23.720 --> 01:01:28.280 the zoning in this area, they're proposing this cluster option because they are proposing 01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:33.640 to dedicate this 37% of their land area as parkland, which is above and beyond the minimum 01:01:33.640 --> 01:01:34.640 requirements. 01:01:34.640 --> 01:01:38.480 And we'll look at that a little more closely. 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:42.460 So moving into the criteria for approval, we do have 13 general criteria that apply 01:01:42.460 --> 01:01:46.840 to all applications that you all are probably familiar with from our plat applications and 01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:48.280 everything else. 01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:51.780 I won't go into these in detail, but we will talk about several of them. 01:01:51.780 --> 01:01:56.160 As we look at the six PD specific criteria. 01:01:56.160 --> 01:02:01.320 So going through those one by one, the first is consistency with our comprehensive plan. 01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:05.760 So of course, the main component to look at there is our future land use map. 01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:11.600 This area, as you can see, all of the yellow area is designated for low density residential. 01:02:11.600 --> 01:02:16.880 The comp plan calls for that as single family homes at one to four dwelling units per acre. 01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:21.840 This proposed PD does have a gross density of 2.6. 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:25.160 Again with that large area of open space, as we talked about at work session, if you 01:02:25.160 --> 01:02:30.520 were to net that out, they would be at over at approximately 4.4 units per acre. 01:02:30.520 --> 01:02:35.600 However, it's also important to look at the character of the area and in the spirit of 01:02:35.600 --> 01:02:39.860 low density residential development, again, they do have that open space area, but they're 01:02:39.860 --> 01:02:44.780 also consistent with the development pattern in terms of the types of homes and the size 01:02:44.780 --> 01:02:49.320 of lots that we find in this part of the city. 01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:53.260 The second criterion is compliance with the development code. 01:02:53.260 --> 01:02:58.600 So as you have in your backup, their PD standards and their development plan are proposed to 01:02:58.600 --> 01:03:03.680 be consistent with the R6 district in every way they all of the deviations that they're 01:03:03.680 --> 01:03:07.800 proposing are shown on that plan and outlined in those development standards. 01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:10.880 So there are no other significant deviations. 01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:14.780 As you're familiar with, they would, of course, be required to comply with landscaping tree 01:03:14.780 --> 01:03:19.040 preservation and all of those other standards in the DDC that are not called out as specific 01:03:19.040 --> 01:03:23.040 deviations as part of the PD. 01:03:23.040 --> 01:03:27.720 The third criterion is that whether the proposal would provide for greater building design 01:03:27.720 --> 01:03:31.720 amenities and connectivity than what we would get with their DDC standards. 01:03:31.720 --> 01:03:35.940 In terms of building design, they're proposing to be consistent with the single family design 01:03:35.940 --> 01:03:38.380 standards in our code. 01:03:38.380 --> 01:03:43.000 The enhancements that they are proposing are related to open space and amenities. 01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:49.320 So in terms of open space, again, we're looking at this 23 acres that would be parkland dedication. 01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:54.840 To break that down a little bit further, 18.7 acres is what the 30% requirement would be 01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:56.920 as a cluster subdivision. 01:03:56.920 --> 01:04:01.100 And then 1.09 acres is what would be required as parkland dedication. 01:04:01.100 --> 01:04:05.680 So when you total all of that up, they're providing a greater acreage than what would 01:04:05.680 --> 01:04:10.640 be strictly required by either of those components if they were to stand alone. 01:04:10.640 --> 01:04:14.600 In terms of connectivity, they would be improving the connectivity of this area. 01:04:14.600 --> 01:04:18.120 They would be extending Creekdale along their northern perimeter here. 01:04:18.120 --> 01:04:22.900 They do have connectivity through that would then connect here at their primary entrance 01:04:22.900 --> 01:04:24.900 off of Hickory Creek Road. 01:04:24.900 --> 01:04:28.580 And then they are providing this future stub out on the east side of the property. 01:04:28.580 --> 01:04:32.100 And if this map were zoomed out a little, you would see, I believe it's River Pass that 01:04:32.100 --> 01:04:36.940 runs north to south there and the adjacent subdivision just to the east has a street 01:04:36.940 --> 01:04:40.820 stub that would roughly align with this to provide a future connection point when and 01:04:40.820 --> 01:04:44.380 if this property develops further. 01:04:44.380 --> 01:04:48.540 And the developer has further worked with our parks department and has indicated that 01:04:48.540 --> 01:04:52.460 they intend to work with them moving forward to provide some trails through this area, 01:04:52.460 --> 01:04:56.140 which are generally kind of conceptually shown on those plans in your backup. 01:04:56.140 --> 01:04:59.420 And they're proposing that those trails would connect at all of their street connection 01:04:59.420 --> 01:05:04.060 points, which I indicated here as red stars, so that there would be greater pedestrian 01:05:04.060 --> 01:05:07.860 connectivity through this area that could then play into our parks department's master 01:05:07.860 --> 01:05:12.340 trail plan as they hopefully extend trails throughout the city's floodplain corridors 01:05:12.340 --> 01:05:16.420 and utility corridors. 01:05:16.420 --> 01:05:20.860 Criterion four is specific to residential uses and that looks at whether they are compatible 01:05:20.860 --> 01:05:25.100 in terms of the types of buildings and uses proposed as well as consistent with the character 01:05:25.100 --> 01:05:26.900 of the area. 01:05:26.900 --> 01:05:31.260 This PD would limit primary residential uses to single-family, which is shown on their 01:05:31.260 --> 01:05:36.300 plans and which is consistent with the pattern of development we see in this area. 01:05:36.300 --> 01:05:40.760 As I indicated at the work session, their minimum lot size of 6,000 square feet is generally 01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:43.020 consistent with other subdivisions in the area. 01:05:43.020 --> 01:05:48.780 We do have some larger lot subdivisions such as Thistle Hills, but many of the newer subdivisions, 01:05:48.780 --> 01:05:54.920 I believe Ryan Meadows and Ryan Ranch, do have lot sizes with an average of 6,000 square 01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:56.580 feet consistent with this. 01:05:56.580 --> 01:05:59.860 So they're not out of character for what we see in this part of Denton between Ryan Road 01:05:59.860 --> 01:06:01.420 and Hickory Creek. 01:06:01.420 --> 01:06:05.000 And again, their building design would follow our DDC standards and so would therefore be 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:10.020 consistent with what we see in the larger area. 01:06:10.020 --> 01:06:14.700 Criterion five is specific to non-residential uses within a PD and looks at whether they 01:06:14.700 --> 01:06:19.480 are appropriate in terms of their location and the planning and the area. 01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:23.840 So in this case, we do have the 23 acres of parkland that's proposed. 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:27.080 As I mentioned, the developer has been coordinating with our parks department throughout this 01:06:27.080 --> 01:06:31.860 review process to make sure that the land area that they're proposing is desirable for 01:06:31.860 --> 01:06:35.360 a neighborhood park suitable for that neighborhood park. 01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:38.840 They do have that five acres of land outside of the flood plain that would be available 01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:43.520 for future park amenities if any structures were desired to be placed there. 01:06:43.520 --> 01:06:48.340 And again, they do meet and exceed the requirements for both the cluster subdivision open space 01:06:48.340 --> 01:06:54.060 preservation as well as park dedication requirements. 01:06:54.060 --> 01:06:56.460 Criterion six is the provision of public facilities. 01:06:56.460 --> 01:06:59.740 So we'll go through these one by one with respect to schools. 01:06:59.740 --> 01:07:04.720 You can see the expected student generation and those attendance boundaries that ISD did 01:07:04.720 --> 01:07:09.740 confirm this information and indicated that all of these schools have adequate capacity 01:07:09.740 --> 01:07:14.500 to serve that expected student generation. 01:07:14.500 --> 01:07:18.920 With respect to fire, our fire department analyzed this and determined that they are 01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:22.820 within the desired eight minute or less response time boundary. 01:07:22.820 --> 01:07:26.920 That response would be from fire station six, which is indicated here on the map with the 01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:28.920 red F. 01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:34.200 And so they do meet that requirement in terms of law enforcement because of the consistency 01:07:34.200 --> 01:07:35.980 with what we have in this area already. 01:07:35.980 --> 01:07:41.860 There was not an identified risk for increased nuisance or crime rates that would be significant 01:07:41.860 --> 01:07:46.140 above what we already see in the area. 01:07:46.140 --> 01:07:51.240 In terms of utilities, this map shows our water lines in blue and sewer lines in red. 01:07:51.240 --> 01:07:55.660 So you can see that those utilities were stubbed to this development with the development to 01:07:55.660 --> 01:07:56.660 the north. 01:07:56.660 --> 01:07:59.540 So they will be able to tie into that and provide those loops and connections through 01:07:59.540 --> 01:08:03.500 the subdivision to serve the homes. 01:08:03.500 --> 01:08:06.060 And then we'll look at streets a little more closely. 01:08:06.060 --> 01:08:12.100 So they do have an expected trip generation of approximately 1,400 daily trips based on 01:08:12.100 --> 01:08:13.660 156 homes. 01:08:13.660 --> 01:08:17.140 So some of the improvements that will be made to serve this would be those perimeter street 01:08:17.140 --> 01:08:21.580 improvements on Creekdale that would extend this roadway from its current terminus here 01:08:21.580 --> 01:08:25.580 at the corner of the property across their frontage. 01:08:25.580 --> 01:08:30.700 We do have, as you can see here on our mobility plan, this red dashed line indicates what 01:08:30.700 --> 01:08:34.820 was at the time in 2015 thought to be the future alignment for Hickory Creek Road as 01:08:34.820 --> 01:08:37.100 a primary arterial. 01:08:37.100 --> 01:08:42.860 Through CIP planning with city council, it was determined that that road needed to be 01:08:42.860 --> 01:08:49.660 to realigned out of this plan and instead will be going generally in the location of 01:08:49.660 --> 01:08:51.320 this orange dashed line. 01:08:51.320 --> 01:08:53.200 So straight across the floodplain. 01:08:53.200 --> 01:08:58.060 So as I mentioned, that 4.6 acres is needed for drainage improvements and bridge improvements 01:08:58.060 --> 01:09:02.020 that would occur here as that bridge takes off and goes over the floodplain to realign 01:09:02.020 --> 01:09:05.280 here with Brush Creek Road further to the west. 01:09:05.280 --> 01:09:08.000 So that is an ongoing CIP project. 01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:12.460 It's actually phase three of the Hickory Creek development or the Hickory Creek project. 01:09:12.460 --> 01:09:17.180 They are, I believe, beyond the 90% completion point with those plans. 01:09:17.180 --> 01:09:20.400 So it is a very firm set of plans. 01:09:20.400 --> 01:09:24.620 You can see here at the bottom of the screen that proposed cross section for what Hickory 01:09:24.620 --> 01:09:26.620 Creek would be expanded to. 01:09:26.620 --> 01:09:31.080 It would be a four lane divided section with turn lanes accommodated and the right of way 01:09:31.080 --> 01:09:35.860 is sufficient to accommodate the expansion to six lanes in the future. 01:09:35.860 --> 01:09:41.380 Specific to this project, they did a turn lane analysis and determined that a right 01:09:41.380 --> 01:09:44.740 turn lane would be needed into this development or would be merited. 01:09:44.740 --> 01:09:48.620 That would require coordination with this adjacent property owner as well as the CIP 01:09:48.620 --> 01:09:49.620 project. 01:09:49.620 --> 01:09:54.720 The city's plans already included a left turn lane and median opening into this development. 01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:58.180 So that coordination with the right turn lane is what will be required in the future that 01:09:58.180 --> 01:10:02.540 will be further looked at with their with their civil engineering plans if this development 01:10:02.540 --> 01:10:05.700 moves forward. 01:10:05.700 --> 01:10:10.020 And then finally, with respect to parks, it's important to note that this development does 01:10:10.020 --> 01:10:13.860 meet the Parks Department's goal of a 10 minute walk to a park. 01:10:13.860 --> 01:10:18.740 We do have Cross Timbers Park, which is shaded in green on this map, and they would meet 01:10:18.740 --> 01:10:21.380 that goal, although just barely. 01:10:21.380 --> 01:10:26.100 But the provision of this future neighborhood park on the western side of this property 01:10:26.100 --> 01:10:31.260 would enhance other developments access to parks as some of these area neighborhoods 01:10:31.260 --> 01:10:33.740 that are already here are outside of that response time boundaries. 01:10:33.740 --> 01:10:40.380 So this would increase general accessibility to parks within this area. 01:10:40.380 --> 01:10:46.520 Public outreach was provided as as we normally do the end of the newspaper website and mailings. 01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:50.260 The property also had signs posted as is required. 01:10:50.260 --> 01:10:53.180 We've received no written responses to date. 01:10:53.180 --> 01:10:56.540 The applicant did hold a neighborhood meeting in April via zoom. 01:10:56.540 --> 01:11:01.660 They had one neighbor attend as well as one council member, but there that neighbor I 01:11:01.660 --> 01:11:06.620 believe was the the landowner that is selling the property who is retaining for other properties 01:11:06.620 --> 01:11:07.780 in the area. 01:11:07.780 --> 01:11:13.500 There was no discussion with with other neighbors and residents in the area at that time. 01:11:13.500 --> 01:11:17.440 And finally, Seth is recommending approval of this request as it complies with our criteria 01:11:17.440 --> 01:11:21.020 for approval, both general and specific to a PD. 01:11:21.020 --> 01:11:25.060 And the next step for this project after PNC would be a public hearing, which is scheduled 01:11:25.060 --> 01:11:27.580 for June 15 at City Council. 01:11:27.580 --> 01:11:30.940 And I will stop sharing now and happy to answer any questions. 01:11:30.940 --> 01:11:35.060 And the applicant is also on the line and has a brief presentation. 01:11:35.060 --> 01:11:36.060 Thank you, Haley. 01:11:36.060 --> 01:11:37.060 Commissioner Cole. 01:11:37.060 --> 01:11:40.300 Thank you, Chair Haley. 01:11:40.300 --> 01:11:44.380 What's the timeline on the Hickory Creek Road expansions? 01:11:44.380 --> 01:11:45.380 Let me see. 01:11:45.380 --> 01:11:46.380 I do have that information. 01:11:46.380 --> 01:11:51.620 I believe they are planned, I think, for start in twenty twenty two, it would be approximately 01:11:51.620 --> 01:11:52.620 two years. 01:11:52.620 --> 01:11:58.500 But let me get to that file and confirm that for you. 01:11:58.500 --> 01:12:02.860 I believe there was a slight delay because there was some federal funding that became 01:12:02.860 --> 01:12:07.580 available that required some additional text review of the plans. 01:12:07.580 --> 01:12:18.540 But let me confirm what that latest date is. 01:12:18.540 --> 01:12:22.380 Yes, the plan, I believe, is to go to construction in twenty twenty two and then they're estimating 01:12:22.380 --> 01:12:25.500 a two year completion for this phase. 01:12:25.500 --> 01:12:31.860 So the development developers here for this project, they're going to start immediately. 01:12:31.860 --> 01:12:37.300 Well, of course, they would have the standard process to go through, which we could estimate 01:12:37.300 --> 01:12:40.540 several months probably to get through planning and civil engineering. 01:12:40.540 --> 01:12:46.540 But yes, my understanding is they would be seeking to start construction soon after that. 01:12:46.540 --> 01:12:49.580 But they're on the line and could better speak to what their timing would be. 01:12:49.580 --> 01:12:53.980 Because this is a worry, again, just like the other. 01:12:53.980 --> 01:13:00.740 The roads can't at present can't take it. 01:13:00.740 --> 01:13:04.420 And what did you say the housing density is going to be? 01:13:04.420 --> 01:13:09.260 So you gave to Commissioner Smith that answer and I forgot what it was. 01:13:09.260 --> 01:13:10.260 Yes. 01:13:10.260 --> 01:13:15.260 So gross density for this development is roughly two and a half units per acre. 01:13:15.260 --> 01:13:20.120 If you netted out the twenty three acres of open space, the remaining acreage would have 01:13:20.120 --> 01:13:25.140 a density of about four point four units per acre. 01:13:25.140 --> 01:13:32.980 Four point four per acre and it. 01:13:32.980 --> 01:13:44.500 Commissioner Smith, thank you, Mr. To Commissioner Cole's point, I was going to ask about the 01:13:44.500 --> 01:13:49.660 time on angry, angry, but Haley, just kind of give us a rough idea from my just my time 01:13:49.660 --> 01:13:56.820 on the commission from a zoning change, what this is to actual full completion and build 01:13:56.820 --> 01:13:59.380 out and people moving in. 01:13:59.380 --> 01:14:05.780 You're talking about three years usually for them for for a lot of two and a half. 01:14:05.780 --> 01:14:11.020 It's kind of like a earliest couple, you know, I go through engineering, plotting and then 01:14:11.020 --> 01:14:14.300 actual construction and the sailing point, selling point, everything else. 01:14:14.300 --> 01:14:20.060 So it's it's not it's probably not going to be done and completed next year. 01:14:20.060 --> 01:14:24.780 No, it would you know, the plotting process alone, of course, now with the shot clock 01:14:24.780 --> 01:14:30.020 is somewhat expedited, but typically we see that as a several month process to get through 01:14:30.020 --> 01:14:35.620 preliminary plotting, civil engineering, design, all of the associated drainage studies and 01:14:35.620 --> 01:14:39.580 then and then to get to final plant where they they could get that notice to proceed 01:14:39.580 --> 01:14:40.580 on their public improvements. 01:14:40.580 --> 01:14:45.420 And then, of course, construction, not sure exactly what that timeline would be in terms 01:14:45.420 --> 01:14:50.180 of them putting in the utilities and roadways, but I would say probably that two, two and 01:14:50.180 --> 01:14:55.120 a half year estimate that you gave is probably fairly accurate, but I believe the applicant 01:14:55.120 --> 01:14:58.940 could could certainly provide you more details on what their intended timing is for everything. 01:14:58.940 --> 01:14:59.940 Understood. 01:14:59.940 --> 01:15:02.940 Thank you. 01:15:02.940 --> 01:15:04.380 Any other questions for Haley? 01:15:04.380 --> 01:15:08.220 Sorry, I'll still take before I had one more. 01:15:08.220 --> 01:15:09.220 I'm sorry. 01:15:09.220 --> 01:15:10.220 I'm sorry. 01:15:10.220 --> 01:15:14.900 The Haley, it's one hundred and seventy five units, correct. 01:15:14.900 --> 01:15:15.900 One fifty six. 01:15:15.900 --> 01:15:16.900 One fifty six. 01:15:16.900 --> 01:15:19.420 I think. 01:15:19.420 --> 01:15:21.180 Mr. Prude, I think you had your hand up. 01:15:21.180 --> 01:15:22.340 I did. 01:15:22.340 --> 01:15:27.580 Just real quick, I guess on your criterion three, if you could go back to that slide. 01:15:27.580 --> 01:15:28.580 Sure. 01:15:28.580 --> 01:15:36.560 On those items that are requested to be over and above the DDC requirements. 01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:41.900 I think it was a yeah. 01:15:41.900 --> 01:15:53.140 Just for my understanding on the yeah on the connectivity pieces of this, which which portions 01:15:53.140 --> 01:16:01.060 of these connectivity benefits would not be required by the standard DDC? 01:16:01.060 --> 01:16:05.340 So the the roadway connections would be fairly standard. 01:16:05.340 --> 01:16:08.660 The trail components would definitely be above and beyond. 01:16:08.660 --> 01:16:11.940 Certainly with a single family subdivision, we would just have the standard sidewalks 01:16:11.940 --> 01:16:13.580 along the streets. 01:16:13.580 --> 01:16:18.620 They are providing those connections to the future park trail. 01:16:18.620 --> 01:16:22.740 Their conceptual plans indicated some some rough alignments of trails that they've talked 01:16:22.740 --> 01:16:23.980 about with our parks department. 01:16:23.980 --> 01:16:28.820 Those are not set in stone yet, but that trail connection would definitely be above and beyond 01:16:28.820 --> 01:16:31.100 the standard that we would see with the DDC. 01:16:31.100 --> 01:16:37.060 OK, so those trail connections are are essentially voluntary within the standard DDC unless it's 01:16:37.060 --> 01:16:40.740 extending an existing trail feature from the border. 01:16:40.740 --> 01:16:41.740 So we did. 01:16:41.740 --> 01:16:46.820 The code would require connection to any any trails that are established in the area. 01:16:46.820 --> 01:16:51.380 But typical process, if someone were going to dedicate parkland, they would dedicate 01:16:51.380 --> 01:16:52.500 that. 01:16:52.500 --> 01:16:57.740 They could potentially develop that park, but it's it's very rare that we see that the 01:16:57.740 --> 01:17:00.740 developer do that park development themselves. 01:17:00.740 --> 01:17:05.100 Razor Ranch is one recent example that comes to mind where the developer actually did complete 01:17:05.100 --> 01:17:06.820 the park themselves. 01:17:06.820 --> 01:17:08.740 But normally, that is not something that's required. 01:17:08.740 --> 01:17:12.020 It's a fee that's paid at building permit to allow our parks department to do that work 01:17:12.020 --> 01:17:13.020 in the future. 01:17:13.020 --> 01:17:18.540 OK, thank you. 01:17:18.540 --> 01:17:20.980 Any other questions for Haley at this time? 01:17:20.980 --> 01:17:26.500 Haley, I've got one it has to do with the parcel of land that's to the east of this 01:17:26.500 --> 01:17:27.500 site. 01:17:27.500 --> 01:17:28.500 Right. 01:17:28.500 --> 01:17:29.500 Do you know anything about that? 01:17:29.500 --> 01:17:36.660 It looks like there's a maybe just a single family residence there, maybe some ag land. 01:17:36.660 --> 01:17:44.380 Because you mentioned like a stub out maybe, you know, meeting see, this might be the best 01:17:44.380 --> 01:17:45.380 map I have. 01:17:45.380 --> 01:17:49.780 Of course, it's going to make me jump back through here. 01:17:49.780 --> 01:17:50.780 Yes. 01:17:50.780 --> 01:17:56.820 So when when this development occurred further east, they stubbed out River Chase Road right 01:17:56.820 --> 01:17:57.820 here. 01:17:57.820 --> 01:18:02.140 And that that is what their intended stub out to the east would ultimately connect to would 01:18:02.140 --> 01:18:05.820 be this this crossing here. 01:18:05.820 --> 01:18:10.380 This parcel is developed, I believe there is a residential dwelling. 01:18:10.380 --> 01:18:13.260 There is also a gas well on that property. 01:18:13.260 --> 01:18:18.700 But this is currently in the ETJ, so I'm not aware of any plans for development at that 01:18:18.700 --> 01:18:20.660 time on this property. 01:18:20.660 --> 01:18:24.700 But that that would be the ultimate goal that that we would have connection between these 01:18:24.700 --> 01:18:27.060 two points at some time in the future. 01:18:27.060 --> 01:18:29.660 OK, thank you. 01:18:29.660 --> 01:18:34.700 OK, don't see any further questions for Haley. 01:18:34.700 --> 01:18:38.780 So I could invite the applicant if you would like to present at this time. 01:18:38.780 --> 01:18:42.320 Yes, ma'am, can you hear me? 01:18:42.320 --> 01:18:45.820 We can hear you if you will state your name and address, you will have 10 minutes for 01:18:45.820 --> 01:18:46.820 your presentation. 01:18:46.820 --> 01:18:47.820 Yes, ma'am. 01:18:47.820 --> 01:18:48.820 Thank you very much. 01:18:48.820 --> 01:18:50.300 My name is Jerry Silo. 01:18:50.300 --> 01:18:55.860 I'm with JBI Partners 2121 Midway Road in Carrollton, Texas. 01:18:55.860 --> 01:19:01.100 We do represent the applicant on this request, the applicant being First Texas Homes for 01:19:01.100 --> 01:19:04.900 this rezoning request. 01:19:04.900 --> 01:19:06.820 Haley, do you have our presentation? 01:19:06.820 --> 01:19:08.420 Yes, I do. 01:19:08.420 --> 01:19:14.300 OK, if you can just pass the title slide, go to the second slide. 01:19:14.300 --> 01:19:19.900 This is just a quick aerial of showing where the property is located in relation to the 01:19:19.900 --> 01:19:20.900 surrounding areas. 01:19:20.900 --> 01:19:27.260 We're on the north side of Hickory Creek Road, just just south of Creekdale Drive and a little 01:19:27.260 --> 01:19:32.180 farther south of Ryan Road. 01:19:32.180 --> 01:19:35.900 Obviously, Haley goes through a very detailed presentation. 01:19:35.900 --> 01:19:39.820 In my opinion, there's no reason for me to reiterate most of what Haley says. 01:19:39.820 --> 01:19:44.160 So I'm going to try to focus on a few different things in my portion of the presentation. 01:19:44.160 --> 01:19:47.060 So Haley, if you could go to the next slide, please. 01:19:47.060 --> 01:19:50.620 This should be a slide of the concept plan. 01:19:50.620 --> 01:19:56.740 And I would like to start off saying that the design of the plan, the design of the 01:19:56.740 --> 01:20:02.180 standards has been a very collaborative process between our team and the city's team, be it 01:20:02.180 --> 01:20:04.900 planning department, parks department, engineering department. 01:20:04.900 --> 01:20:09.660 Obviously, there have been a lot of players involved because of the expansion of Hickory 01:20:09.660 --> 01:20:15.460 Creek Road, the railroad crossing and the impact of being able to raise the road across 01:20:15.460 --> 01:20:22.580 the railroad, working with the parks department on the floodplain and the upland properties 01:20:22.580 --> 01:20:28.780 for park development, working with transportation department, with accessing for primarily Hickory 01:20:28.780 --> 01:20:34.620 Creek and all the implications of the new road construction out there. 01:20:34.620 --> 01:20:36.860 So we've been working very closely with everybody. 01:20:36.860 --> 01:20:39.300 This has not been a quick process. 01:20:39.300 --> 01:20:42.380 We have taken a number of months to work through this. 01:20:42.380 --> 01:20:49.180 And the one thing that we obviously recognize from day one is that we have a tremendous 01:20:49.180 --> 01:20:53.220 attribute on the property, and that is the 18 acres of floodplain. 01:20:53.220 --> 01:20:58.620 As you can see on our concept plan, our primary entrance is going to be from Hickory Creek 01:20:58.620 --> 01:21:00.020 Road. 01:21:00.020 --> 01:21:05.380 And so we have proposed it's approximately a thousand feet from Hickory Creek Road before 01:21:05.380 --> 01:21:06.660 you get to our first lot. 01:21:06.660 --> 01:21:09.420 So that's going to be our entrance drive into the neighborhood. 01:21:09.420 --> 01:21:11.620 And that's really going to create that sense of arrival. 01:21:11.620 --> 01:21:15.780 You're going to have nothing but the park on the west side of you. 01:21:15.780 --> 01:21:19.980 There's a couple of ponds out there immediately, the one will be eliminated, but the northern 01:21:19.980 --> 01:21:21.940 pond will stay in place. 01:21:21.940 --> 01:21:24.660 And this will ultimately be city parkland. 01:21:24.660 --> 01:21:30.120 So we thought that was a great way to set our neighborhood apart from a lot of other 01:21:30.120 --> 01:21:36.500 neighborhoods to show that we are sensitive to the environmental nature of what is going 01:21:36.500 --> 01:21:38.180 on out here. 01:21:38.180 --> 01:21:43.500 And the city code allows for that with the cluster development type scenario, where obviously 01:21:43.500 --> 01:21:48.900 if something is environmentally sensitive, it's in everybody's benefit, be it the developers, 01:21:48.900 --> 01:21:54.940 be it the cities, and ultimately the homeowners that live out here, to preserve it if we can. 01:21:54.940 --> 01:21:59.140 And what the city allows for is, for lack of a better term, the city allows for a carrot 01:21:59.140 --> 01:22:05.060 to be given to the development community, to give incentives to sort of try to make 01:22:05.060 --> 01:22:09.540 everybody realize that there is benefit to those environmentally sensitive areas. 01:22:09.540 --> 01:22:14.220 And those 18 acres of floodplain, is that in this area? 01:22:14.220 --> 01:22:20.380 I know there were some questions raised during the briefing session, and it's a little misunderstanding 01:22:20.380 --> 01:22:24.620 that the floodplain can't be redeveloped and reclaimed because the vast majority of floodplain 01:22:24.620 --> 01:22:27.740 can be reclaimed and redeveloped. 01:22:27.740 --> 01:22:29.920 It's a little tough in some instances. 01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:34.540 With this specific piece of property, it's quite a bit easier because basically the railroad 01:22:34.540 --> 01:22:40.780 creates a dam, so we are not impacting our neighbors on the other side of the floodplain, 01:22:40.780 --> 01:22:42.820 on the western side of the floodplain. 01:22:42.820 --> 01:22:48.020 So we have a lot more flexibility to reclaim some of this 18 acres. 01:22:48.020 --> 01:22:52.780 We have chosen not to do that though, because of what we see as the benefit for it. 01:22:52.780 --> 01:22:58.740 Additionally, as Haley mentioned, we are proposing to dedicate an additional five acres of land. 01:22:58.740 --> 01:23:01.460 It's all upland, it's all out of the floodplain. 01:23:01.460 --> 01:23:08.580 And the drawing you'll see is the lighter green area for city park that things can be 01:23:08.580 --> 01:23:11.300 accomplished on it. 01:23:11.300 --> 01:23:15.520 We are required to dedicate, with the 156 homes, we're required to dedicate basically 01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:19.860 an acre of land for parkland or pay a fee in lieu. 01:23:19.860 --> 01:23:23.060 Most likely the city would not, the parks department would not want that acre of land 01:23:23.060 --> 01:23:25.780 out of this neighborhood in and of itself. 01:23:25.780 --> 01:23:28.560 So we would probably end up paying the fee in lieu for that. 01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:34.040 So there are five acres of land out there that we consciously decided not to develop. 01:23:34.040 --> 01:23:39.020 We have the ability to do that, but we chose not to because we see a better benefit to 01:23:39.020 --> 01:23:43.540 the neighborhood overall by having the parkland and having the environmentally sensitive land 01:23:43.540 --> 01:23:48.300 out there and really focusing on that. 01:23:48.300 --> 01:23:55.860 With regards to some of the connectivity questions from the commissioner, once we created this 01:23:55.860 --> 01:24:02.700 23 acre park, obviously people to the north of us that didn't have access to it, would 01:24:02.700 --> 01:24:06.540 never have thought of having access to it, now do. 01:24:06.540 --> 01:24:11.620 We prefer that as pedestrian or bicycle access, maybe electric scooters, our preference will 01:24:11.620 --> 01:24:13.620 not be cars. 01:24:13.620 --> 01:24:17.100 Obviously they had the ability to drive through there to get to the park. 01:24:17.100 --> 01:24:22.860 So what we did propose was working with the city, a hike and bike trail along our northern 01:24:22.860 --> 01:24:27.940 limits adjacent to Creekdale so that there is an ability for our neighbors to the north 01:24:27.940 --> 01:24:31.520 and to the east to come along Creekdale, come through the neighborhood. 01:24:31.520 --> 01:24:37.380 And then what we've done, you see so many times over the years that a benefit like the 01:24:37.380 --> 01:24:43.780 ponds, like the open spaces, that developers back these lots to those so that you can have 01:24:43.780 --> 01:24:46.900 premiums for those lots that are back into this. 01:24:46.900 --> 01:24:51.260 As you see here, we've really opened up the entire neighborhood, whether it's the front 01:24:51.260 --> 01:24:55.300 entrance or whether it's access from the north to the parkland. 01:24:55.300 --> 01:25:00.540 So that is a benefit to 156 homes plus our neighbors versus the 10 or 15 that we would 01:25:00.540 --> 01:25:05.540 have backing up to it otherwise, because we think that's more important for 156 people 01:25:05.540 --> 01:25:09.180 or 156 homeowners versus 10 homeowners. 01:25:09.180 --> 01:25:14.700 So the connectivity to those open spaces, in our opinion, is just as important as automobile 01:25:14.700 --> 01:25:21.700 connectivity to arterial roads or even the hike and bike trails. 01:25:21.700 --> 01:25:22.700 Next slide, please. 01:25:22.700 --> 01:25:29.980 These are just a few photos of the homes that are anticipated to be developed in this neighborhood. 01:25:29.980 --> 01:25:32.980 As I said, First Texas is the home builder. 01:25:32.980 --> 01:25:37.500 This is very typical of what they plan on developing in this neighborhood. 01:25:37.500 --> 01:25:41.780 As was mentioned, the homes aren't going to be started construction for a couple of years. 01:25:41.780 --> 01:25:45.700 So some of the architecture is going to change. 01:25:45.700 --> 01:25:48.940 The footprints, the floor plans, are probably going to stay very similar to what they are. 01:25:48.940 --> 01:25:51.780 So these are not going to be identical to what's going to be out there. 01:25:51.780 --> 01:25:56.340 And that's just because of the nature of the architecture changing over time. 01:25:56.340 --> 01:25:58.620 Next slide, please. 01:25:58.620 --> 01:26:04.900 This is just a zoomed in slide showing the public land that will be out there after, 01:26:04.900 --> 01:26:08.700 assuming we get our zone in and assuming the neighborhood is developed. 01:26:08.700 --> 01:26:13.260 So as we know, there's 18 acres of environmentally sensitive flood plain, which is the non-colored 01:26:13.260 --> 01:26:15.660 area shown on the drawing. 01:26:15.660 --> 01:26:21.400 There's the five acres of upland parkland, which we are dedicating as part of our development. 01:26:21.400 --> 01:26:26.620 And then there's the 4.6 acres of right of way for the expansion of Hickory Creek. 01:26:26.620 --> 01:26:31.220 Technically, legally, we don't have to dedicate that 4.6 acres. 01:26:31.220 --> 01:26:34.700 We're required to dedicate half the right of way needed for the street. 01:26:34.700 --> 01:26:42.980 So it will ultimately be a six lane divided street, so we're required to dedicate 70 feet 01:26:42.980 --> 01:26:47.820 of right of way, 65 feet of right of way for Hickory Creek and everything else. 01:26:47.820 --> 01:26:51.460 In a lot of instances, the developer would make the city buy that property. 01:26:51.460 --> 01:26:55.940 The city would have to buy it, go out there and get an appraisal or go through condemnation. 01:26:55.940 --> 01:26:58.260 We have, as I said, this has been very collaborative. 01:26:58.260 --> 01:27:03.180 We have offered that up as dedication when we plot the property, that 4.6 acres will 01:27:03.180 --> 01:27:06.300 be dedicated to the city for right of way. 01:27:06.300 --> 01:27:08.820 Next slide, please. 01:27:08.820 --> 01:27:13.460 These are a couple of photos of the existing pond, the northern pond that will remain. 01:27:13.460 --> 01:27:17.980 So as you can see, I mean, to be very honest, these photos have not been touched up at all. 01:27:17.980 --> 01:27:21.900 We were out there when a northern blue through sort of blew out everything in the sky, so 01:27:21.900 --> 01:27:24.300 you got that crystal blue sky. 01:27:24.300 --> 01:27:28.780 The water is very clean, both ponds, the water is very pristine. 01:27:28.780 --> 01:27:34.780 The goal is to really focus on these areas as an amenity to the community. 01:27:34.780 --> 01:27:36.720 Next slide, please. 01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:39.260 We have been working with the Parks Department. 01:27:39.260 --> 01:27:47.300 What our client is hoping to be able to do is to, as part of the development of the subdivision, 01:27:47.300 --> 01:27:53.580 to actually at least get started on providing some amenities in the park for those new homeowners 01:27:53.580 --> 01:27:58.280 so that they have a little park there or we have the ability to do hike and bike trails 01:27:58.280 --> 01:28:00.500 around the pond. 01:28:00.500 --> 01:28:03.700 What we're looking at now is potentially reconfiguring that pond a little bit. 01:28:03.700 --> 01:28:08.260 As you can see on the left, it's more of a north-south, we're proposing to put some 01:28:08.260 --> 01:28:13.780 aeration in there and make it much more of an amenity versus just a feature. 01:28:13.780 --> 01:28:17.140 That is going through, we are working with the Parks Department on that. 01:28:17.140 --> 01:28:22.060 Nothing's been firmed up by anybody yet, nothing's been locked down, but that is the direction 01:28:22.060 --> 01:28:28.040 we are, our client is moving, is that we will instigate the development of the park as part 01:28:28.040 --> 01:28:33.380 of the development of the neighborhood and then as time goes on and the Parks Department 01:28:33.380 --> 01:28:37.300 gets a little better feel for what they want to do with the other upland property, go out 01:28:37.300 --> 01:28:41.060 there and try to work with some hike and bikes and some other types of facilities within 01:28:41.060 --> 01:28:44.900 the park area itself. 01:28:44.900 --> 01:28:45.900 Next slide, please. 01:28:45.900 --> 01:28:54.700 This is just an image of what we anticipate our entry feature is going to be along Hickory 01:28:54.700 --> 01:28:55.700 Creek Road. 01:28:55.700 --> 01:29:01.140 You know, Hickory Creek is going to be a six-lane divider road, ultimately, so we're really 01:29:01.140 --> 01:29:04.460 trying to create a statement as you come into the neighborhood. 01:29:04.460 --> 01:29:09.380 So the sign that we're proposing is right now, it's 24 feet high, that's Cortan Steel, 01:29:09.380 --> 01:29:15.380 so it'll be a very nice looking sign, very much creating a statement, a true, you are 01:29:15.380 --> 01:29:22.560 arriving into someplace special versus just a street off an arterial that you turned down. 01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:27.380 And we really hope that the emphasis with the park as your main drive and your main 01:29:27.380 --> 01:29:32.700 approach into the neighborhood really makes that statement. 01:29:32.700 --> 01:29:35.100 Next slide, please. 01:29:35.100 --> 01:29:39.420 In closing here, as Haley mentioned, we did have a neighborhood meeting, a Zoom meeting 01:29:39.420 --> 01:29:41.500 on April 7th. 01:29:41.500 --> 01:29:45.020 Our neighbor to the east was the neighbor that did attend, the current property owner 01:29:45.020 --> 01:29:48.220 also attended, and the mayor attended that meeting. 01:29:48.220 --> 01:29:51.700 We had a very nice conversation with the mayor. 01:29:51.700 --> 01:29:55.860 He had a lot of questions that a mayor would typically have, and it was great because we 01:29:55.860 --> 01:29:59.540 actually had the ability to actually have a conversation and discuss real issues with 01:29:59.540 --> 01:30:00.540 him. 01:30:00.540 --> 01:30:05.300 Just so the commission knows, we did get contacted by one of the residents within the 200-foot 01:30:05.300 --> 01:30:11.500 notice for the neighborhood meeting, but as far as we could tell, she did not attend the 01:30:11.500 --> 01:30:12.500 meeting. 01:30:12.500 --> 01:30:18.540 I reached out to her about a week later in mid-April, sent her an email again to see 01:30:18.540 --> 01:30:22.780 if she, for some reason, she may not have been able to make it, so I offered up to answer 01:30:22.780 --> 01:30:25.660 any questions or whatever, did not get a reply from her. 01:30:25.660 --> 01:30:33.100 So I'm assuming that what she saw or what she thought she wanted to hear was not a concern 01:30:33.100 --> 01:30:35.620 for her. 01:30:35.620 --> 01:30:41.260 With regards to the timing of the neighborhood, the timing of Hickory Creek, right now from 01:30:41.260 --> 01:30:44.560 what our discussions have been with the engineering department, the public works department in 01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:51.680 Denton, it is anticipated that Hickory Creek Road construction will be completed by January 01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:54.680 1, 2024. 01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:57.980 Assuming we get the commission recommendation for approval, get the council approval, go 01:30:57.980 --> 01:31:04.060 through all our subdivision requirements, our engineering plans, construction, we anticipate 01:31:04.060 --> 01:31:12.060 acceptance of the subdivision by the engineering department, by the city, by January 1, 2023. 01:31:12.060 --> 01:31:16.380 So that's ballpark a year before construction is completed for Hickory Creek. 01:31:16.380 --> 01:31:20.780 Construction will already be underway, but it's a year. 01:31:20.780 --> 01:31:26.500 Assuming that schedule works, assuming it stops raining and eventually things dry out, 01:31:26.500 --> 01:31:31.940 if we are approved and if the subdivision is accepted on January 1, you're probably 01:31:31.940 --> 01:31:37.020 talking another four to six months before any house that got started on January 2 would 01:31:37.020 --> 01:31:40.180 be ready for somebody to move into. 01:31:40.180 --> 01:31:47.060 So you're talking maybe six months of people living in the neighborhood before Hickory 01:31:47.060 --> 01:31:49.740 Creek is anticipated to be open. 01:31:49.740 --> 01:31:53.100 And Hickory Creek will initially be built as a four lane road. 01:31:53.100 --> 01:31:59.620 So that's approximately 25,000 cars a day can be handled on that road. 01:31:59.620 --> 01:32:04.900 In the interim, while that's going on, our exit into and out of the neighborhood is going 01:32:04.900 --> 01:32:08.980 to be at North End along Creekdale, then we'll go to the East to River Pass and then come 01:32:08.980 --> 01:32:12.660 back down to Hickory Creek, excuse me. 01:32:12.660 --> 01:32:18.220 At that point, I think I'm going to stop and ask if the commission has any questions of 01:32:18.220 --> 01:32:19.220 me. 01:32:19.220 --> 01:32:23.060 Thank you, Mr. Silo. 01:32:23.060 --> 01:32:29.260 Any questions for Mr. Silo? 01:32:29.260 --> 01:32:30.760 I do not see any. 01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:33.340 Thank you very much for your presentation. 01:32:33.340 --> 01:32:37.380 Thank you, ma'am. 01:32:37.380 --> 01:32:39.400 This is a public hearing. 01:32:39.400 --> 01:32:40.620 I don't know. 01:32:40.620 --> 01:32:43.900 Okay, we do not have anyone on the line. 01:32:43.900 --> 01:32:57.880 So at this time, I will close the public hearing and open up for discussion or a motion. 01:32:57.880 --> 01:32:58.880 Commissioner Anderson? 01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:04.660 I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve. 01:33:04.660 --> 01:33:07.980 I'm glad to hear that they are going to go ahead and start, they're not gonna have the 01:33:07.980 --> 01:33:10.260 houses done before the roads are completed. 01:33:10.260 --> 01:33:15.020 I mean, six months, I think that's doable instead of two years down the road and you 01:33:15.020 --> 01:33:21.180 have about, you know, 1000 cars up and down the road and anyway, no, I'll make a motion 01:33:21.180 --> 01:33:22.180 to approve. 01:33:22.180 --> 01:33:26.580 There's a motion on the floor to approve Commissioner Cole? 01:33:26.580 --> 01:33:28.940 I'll second. 01:33:28.940 --> 01:33:33.940 Okay, we have a motion on the floor for approval of this item. 01:33:33.940 --> 01:33:38.820 Is there a discussion? 01:33:38.820 --> 01:33:41.500 Commissioner Pruitt? 01:33:41.500 --> 01:33:44.940 Thank you, Vice Chair. 01:33:44.940 --> 01:33:54.740 I guess, you know, with this one, it's a challenge because it's kind of on the periphery of our 01:33:54.740 --> 01:34:03.740 city and on the one hand, the future land use map designates it as low density residential, 01:34:03.740 --> 01:34:06.540 so there's clearly a plan for this type of development. 01:34:06.540 --> 01:34:15.740 I really appreciate the developer, you know, working well with staff to craft the type 01:34:15.740 --> 01:34:25.180 of place that they see as beneficial to the surrounding neighborhoods and, you know, along 01:34:25.180 --> 01:34:33.820 with that effort, you know, the ability to sort of connect all of these piecemeal places 01:34:33.820 --> 01:34:39.380 together in the long run, I think is very important. 01:34:39.380 --> 01:34:46.140 You know, I think, well, I guess question for staff. 01:34:46.140 --> 01:34:52.220 I did very much appreciate that the developer included a fiscal impact analysis in their 01:34:52.220 --> 01:34:53.220 backup. 01:34:53.220 --> 01:35:03.500 I hope we see more of that, but just for staff, is that average per capita spending on sort 01:35:03.500 --> 01:35:10.300 of current government expenditures, is that the industry best practice for assessing sort 01:35:10.300 --> 01:35:18.140 of future costs to the city in Greenfield development? 01:35:18.140 --> 01:35:23.860 So I don't know that I have an exact answer to that, not being part of our economic development 01:35:23.860 --> 01:35:24.860 team myself. 01:35:24.860 --> 01:35:30.580 I do know that Jessica Rogers, our director of economic development, reviewed this, and 01:35:30.580 --> 01:35:34.660 although it's not exactly what the goal is ultimately for those fiscal impact analyses 01:35:34.660 --> 01:35:39.640 that we're working towards with our model that you all have heard referenced before, 01:35:39.640 --> 01:35:44.360 they did find it to be an acceptable study with acceptable findings that seem valid based 01:35:44.360 --> 01:35:46.860 on the data provided. 01:35:46.860 --> 01:35:52.060 So unfortunately, that's the most detailed response I can provide, but I'm not sure if 01:35:52.060 --> 01:35:57.240 Jerry might have any additional information on how that analysis was completed that would 01:35:57.240 --> 01:35:58.240 help. 01:35:58.240 --> 01:36:05.380 Well, basically, what goes on is there's obviously a cost to the city to provide services. 01:36:05.380 --> 01:36:10.780 Usually it's soft services, usually it's police and fire emergency access. 01:36:10.780 --> 01:36:14.500 Because hard services, streets, water, sewer lines, things of that nature, the development 01:36:14.500 --> 01:36:18.660 community builds when they build the neighborhoods typically. 01:36:18.660 --> 01:36:26.340 So there is a soft cost long term, on a yearly basis, and a number of cities require a fiscal 01:36:26.340 --> 01:36:27.340 impact analysis. 01:36:27.340 --> 01:36:32.860 We just recently worked on a community in Fate, which is far east, east of Rockwall, 01:36:32.860 --> 01:36:36.300 and they require one as well, and it's a pure analysis. 01:36:36.300 --> 01:36:40.820 Is it worth it for new development to take place, or is the city just digging a deeper 01:36:40.820 --> 01:36:43.940 hole in terms of expenditures? 01:36:43.940 --> 01:36:50.780 Well, ballpark, depends on the city, but ballpark, there's a threshold of anywhere from $250 01:36:50.780 --> 01:36:57.180 to $300,000 for the price of a house that the ad valorem tax is generated by that type 01:36:57.180 --> 01:37:04.100 of a house, typically will pay for itself in terms of paying for its fair share of soft 01:37:04.100 --> 01:37:06.580 services that the city provides them. 01:37:06.580 --> 01:37:10.180 And that also is library, that's parks and rec, all that kind of, anything soft services 01:37:10.180 --> 01:37:12.100 really is what it's focused on. 01:37:12.100 --> 01:37:17.660 They typically, the analysis typically go one or two levels of sales in there. 01:37:17.660 --> 01:37:26.100 So if you're looking at me and I buy a chainsaw at Lowe's, they typically, they will count 01:37:26.100 --> 01:37:33.040 that sales tax and they will count usually the employee that hired there, a certain percentage 01:37:33.040 --> 01:37:35.940 of their sales tax within the model. 01:37:35.940 --> 01:37:40.540 I mean, you can go down three, four, five, 12 levels and really grind this thing through, 01:37:40.540 --> 01:37:43.580 and you're just wasting time at some point. 01:37:43.580 --> 01:37:49.260 So usually it's a secondary level of analysis in terms of the payback into the community 01:37:49.260 --> 01:37:56.300 because those employees, they go to restaurants, they buy things just like homeowner does, whether 01:37:56.300 --> 01:37:58.140 they live in Denton or not. 01:37:58.140 --> 01:38:02.460 So there is a positive benefit for that type of revenue as well. 01:38:02.460 --> 01:38:04.500 Hopefully that answers what you're looking for. 01:38:04.500 --> 01:38:05.500 Yeah. 01:38:05.500 --> 01:38:06.500 Thank you. 01:38:06.500 --> 01:38:12.580 You know, I think I have a lot of questions on that and I'll look forward to the efforts 01:38:12.580 --> 01:38:19.980 that we're doing as a city to sort of better our practices along that line. 01:38:19.980 --> 01:38:26.940 But I do appreciate the developer for making that effort. 01:38:26.940 --> 01:38:37.260 You know, I guess one thing that concerns me sometimes with the PDE applications is 01:38:37.260 --> 01:38:44.420 how structured they are to exactly what we're going to build on day one. 01:38:44.420 --> 01:38:52.360 I guess when we passed the 2019 code, did our overlay districts and other non-standard 01:38:52.360 --> 01:38:58.360 districts, did those convert to sort of standard zoning designations or were those preserved 01:38:58.360 --> 01:39:00.340 with their original overlay conditions? 01:39:00.340 --> 01:39:01.340 How did that work? 01:39:01.340 --> 01:39:02.340 Sure. 01:39:02.340 --> 01:39:08.580 So anything, well, the 2002 code did not have PDs as a tool within it. 01:39:08.580 --> 01:39:12.540 It had master plan communities, but you had to meet a certain size threshold. 01:39:12.540 --> 01:39:18.780 I believe it was 150 contiguous acres or 300 acres non-contiguous. 01:39:18.780 --> 01:39:23.100 But it also had a tool called the Neighborhood Mixed Use Protection Overlay. 01:39:23.100 --> 01:39:27.620 And so that's where we ended up with several zoning cases over the last few years that 01:39:27.620 --> 01:39:33.620 did have, you know, like unit counts or use restrictions or things of that nature. 01:39:33.620 --> 01:39:41.080 Those all transitioned with our 2019 code adoption to what shows on our map as a PD- 01:39:41.080 --> 01:39:42.380 whatever based district. 01:39:42.380 --> 01:39:49.660 So if it was an R6 with overlay conditions under the old code, it transferred to PD-R6 01:39:49.660 --> 01:39:50.980 under the new code. 01:39:50.980 --> 01:39:55.040 And the code has language in subchapter one that specifies that those overlay conditions 01:39:55.040 --> 01:39:59.300 still control over the pieces that were specified by those conditions. 01:39:59.300 --> 01:40:03.420 So use, number of units, things of that nature. 01:40:03.420 --> 01:40:09.580 Anything else transitioned to whatever that new district is under the 2019 code. 01:40:09.580 --> 01:40:10.580 Okay. 01:40:10.580 --> 01:40:11.580 Thank you. 01:40:11.580 --> 01:40:12.580 That definitely helps. 01:40:12.580 --> 01:40:16.580 I guess, you know, I looked back over the last couple of years, it looks like we had 01:40:16.580 --> 01:40:24.940 about ballpark 20 zoning changes in PD applications each year for the last couple of years. 01:40:24.940 --> 01:40:32.620 And you know, the city as a whole has, you know, DCAD data looks like it was over 40,000 01:40:32.620 --> 01:40:35.340 parcels within the city. 01:40:35.340 --> 01:40:50.460 So you know, I hesitate to want to strictly restrict what can happen on these lots for 01:40:50.460 --> 01:40:57.820 the next 50 or 100 years when, you know, we don't really- it seems like we don't have 01:40:57.820 --> 01:41:05.300 the capacity to do hundreds and hundreds of zoning changes as areas evolve. 01:41:05.300 --> 01:41:09.260 I recognize we're talking about a long time in the future. 01:41:09.260 --> 01:41:16.860 So for me, it's really sort of how does the permanence of the zoning restrictions match 01:41:16.860 --> 01:41:20.780 with the surrounding area, right? 01:41:20.780 --> 01:41:27.880 I think you mentioned that there's some R4 to the north and in some other areas not too 01:41:27.880 --> 01:41:36.540 far from there that have a little bit more allowances for land rights of the owners. 01:41:36.540 --> 01:41:46.240 So, you know, those are the things I'm thinking through. 01:41:46.240 --> 01:41:47.640 Thank you, Commissioner Prout. 01:41:47.640 --> 01:41:52.460 We do have a motion on the floor for approval of this item. 01:41:52.460 --> 01:41:54.460 Is there any further discussion? 01:41:54.460 --> 01:41:55.460 Commissioner Anderson? 01:41:55.460 --> 01:41:58.180 I'll make a second. 01:41:58.180 --> 01:42:04.740 You have the motion on the floor and we do have a second. 01:42:04.740 --> 01:42:09.620 If there is no further discussion, we will take a vote on that motion. 01:42:09.620 --> 01:42:15.460 And I will just thank staff's thoroughness and the applicant's thoroughness for the collaboration 01:42:15.460 --> 01:42:18.860 efforts and for our detailed backup on this project. 01:42:18.860 --> 01:42:20.700 It was very well presented. 01:42:20.700 --> 01:42:22.140 So thank you. 01:42:22.140 --> 01:42:25.060 With that, I will call for a vote. 01:42:25.060 --> 01:42:26.060 Commissioner Anderson? 01:42:26.060 --> 01:42:27.060 Aye. 01:42:27.060 --> 01:42:28.540 Commissioner Cole? 01:42:28.540 --> 01:42:29.540 Aye. 01:42:29.540 --> 01:42:30.540 Commissioner Smith? 01:42:30.540 --> 01:42:31.540 Aye. 01:42:31.540 --> 01:42:32.540 Commissioner Pruitt? 01:42:32.540 --> 01:42:33.540 Aye. 01:42:33.540 --> 01:42:39.380 Chair, there's also an aye. 01:42:39.380 --> 01:42:40.380 That motion carries 5-0. 01:42:40.380 --> 01:42:41.380 Thank you very much. 01:42:41.380 --> 01:42:42.380 Appreciate it. 01:42:42.380 --> 01:42:43.380 Thank you. 01:42:43.380 --> 01:42:52.000 Silo, I appreciate it very much. 01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:55.460 Congratulations. 01:42:55.460 --> 01:42:58.780 That takes us to our matrix. 01:42:58.780 --> 01:43:02.500 I will turn it over to Haley to see if she's got any updates for us. 01:43:02.500 --> 01:43:04.940 All right. 01:43:04.940 --> 01:43:07.460 No updates on the matrix itself. 01:43:07.460 --> 01:43:13.100 And actually since our last meeting on, I think it was May 19th, there hasn't been any 01:43:13.100 --> 01:43:16.220 cases that have gone before council, so no updates there. 01:43:16.220 --> 01:43:19.780 The last zoning case that you'll heard on the 19th will be going next week with this 01:43:19.780 --> 01:43:20.780 case. 01:43:20.780 --> 01:43:22.700 So we'll have some updates after that. 01:43:22.700 --> 01:43:27.660 But I did want to provide just one quick update with respect to that fiscal impact analysis 01:43:27.660 --> 01:43:32.220 that we've talked about that will be coming up hopefully this summer as a work session 01:43:32.220 --> 01:43:35.020 item before both PNZ and council. 01:43:35.020 --> 01:43:40.020 So I spoke with Charlie Rosendahl, who's been kind of overseeing that project for us, and 01:43:40.020 --> 01:43:45.060 he indicated that they're currently targeting an April completion date of that model. 01:43:45.060 --> 01:43:47.780 They're still working through all the data input and things of that nature. 01:43:47.780 --> 01:43:52.100 So before they get to a final point, they want to bring that before both boards walk 01:43:52.100 --> 01:43:56.100 through kind of the assumptions and how it's been built and how it will function and get 01:43:56.100 --> 01:44:01.500 any feedback from PNZ and council before wrapping up that project so that we can begin to use 01:44:01.500 --> 01:44:03.100 that moving forward. 01:44:03.100 --> 01:44:04.100 Great. 01:44:04.100 --> 01:44:05.260 Thank you. 01:44:05.260 --> 01:44:10.180 Is there anything to be added to the matrix? 01:44:10.180 --> 01:44:11.180 Anyone? 01:44:11.180 --> 01:44:12.180 Commissioner Smith. 01:44:12.180 --> 01:44:13.180 Thank you. 01:44:13.180 --> 01:44:14.180 By sure. 01:44:14.180 --> 01:44:24.380 Haley, I asked I asked Richard to put on the matrix for a presentation from Discover Denton 01:44:24.380 --> 01:44:26.500 to come and talk about their marketing plan. 01:44:26.500 --> 01:44:27.860 I don't see it on there. 01:44:27.860 --> 01:44:32.020 I didn't check last last meeting, but now I don't see it on there. 01:44:32.020 --> 01:44:39.060 So with Richard stepping out to his new position in Denver, I'm going to email you the contact 01:44:39.060 --> 01:44:42.900 information for the person who would do that presentation, and I would like to see that 01:44:42.900 --> 01:44:43.900 on the matrix. 01:44:43.900 --> 01:44:44.900 Okay, perfect. 01:44:44.900 --> 01:44:45.900 Yeah, we can work that in. 01:44:45.900 --> 01:44:46.900 Thank you. 01:44:46.900 --> 01:44:47.900 Thank you, Commissioner Smith. 01:44:47.900 --> 01:44:50.540 Commissioner Pruitt, did you have your hand raised as well? 01:44:50.540 --> 01:44:52.540 Yeah, just a question for clarification. 01:44:52.540 --> 01:44:55.100 You said target of April. 01:44:55.100 --> 01:44:56.100 I'm sorry, August. 01:44:56.100 --> 01:44:57.100 Okay. 01:44:57.100 --> 01:44:58.100 It's been a long day. 01:44:58.100 --> 01:45:03.100 I probably didn't say April, but that would be August. 01:45:03.100 --> 01:45:04.100 Thank you. 01:45:04.100 --> 01:45:05.100 Well done, Commissioner Pruitt. 01:45:05.100 --> 01:45:11.380 Haley, I would just like to, I don't know if this is a matrix item or something for 01:45:11.380 --> 01:45:17.180 further discussion, but with regard to the online comment form, if there is a way that 01:45:17.180 --> 01:45:26.740 we can compartmentalize the way those come out to tag what project they're commenting 01:45:26.740 --> 01:45:33.260 on in the subject, when we get them, I mean, staff does a great job dividing them up, but 01:45:33.260 --> 01:45:37.020 it would be great to have them in the subject title, if that's even possible. 01:45:37.020 --> 01:45:43.340 I don't know even who that should be for, but I'm throwing that out there now in hopes 01:45:43.340 --> 01:45:48.460 that you can either, we can further discuss or get it to the right body. 01:45:48.460 --> 01:45:49.460 Sure. 01:45:49.460 --> 01:45:50.460 Yeah. 01:45:50.460 --> 01:45:53.780 I'll look into that and see who handles that process and what we can do about it. 01:45:53.780 --> 01:45:54.780 Thank you. 01:45:54.780 --> 01:45:55.780 Thank you. 01:45:55.780 --> 01:46:02.580 Just housekeeping, I'm getting two of every comment of the same person. 01:46:02.580 --> 01:46:08.380 I don't know if anybody else is, but when I get the comments on a case, I'm getting 01:46:08.380 --> 01:46:11.540 two from one person. 01:46:11.540 --> 01:46:15.460 It's possible that it's on two different agenda items. 01:46:15.460 --> 01:46:16.460 Oh, gotcha. 01:46:16.460 --> 01:46:17.460 Okay. 01:46:17.460 --> 01:46:18.460 That's most likely what it is. 01:46:18.460 --> 01:46:19.460 Okay. 01:46:19.460 --> 01:46:20.460 Yeah. 01:46:20.460 --> 01:46:21.460 Thank you. 01:46:21.460 --> 01:46:22.460 Sure. 01:46:22.460 --> 01:46:28.500 Is there anything else for the matrix or concluding items? 01:46:28.500 --> 01:46:32.580 I will just say welcome once again, commissioner Pruitt. 01:46:32.580 --> 01:46:33.980 Good job getting through your first meeting. 01:46:33.980 --> 01:46:34.980 Welcome aboard. 01:46:34.980 --> 01:46:36.940 It's good to have you. 01:46:36.940 --> 01:46:38.620 Thank you. 01:46:38.620 --> 01:46:39.620 Okay. 01:46:39.620 --> 01:46:40.740 Nothing else on the agenda. 01:46:40.740 --> 01:46:45.180 So I will close adjourn us at 7 50 PM. 01:46:45.180 --> 01:46:46.180 Thank you everybody. 01:46:46.180 --> 01:46:47.180 See you next time. 01:46:47.180 --> 01:46:48.180 Thank you. 01:46:48.180 --> 01:46:48.180 Yes.